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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com

yovelkvireuli gazeTi

`qronika+~ ~ da irakli

RaribaSvili erT frontze

rusuli feikis winaaRmdeg!

gv. 2

gamodis samSabaTobiT N13 (315) 23.06

06.20

.2020

fasi 2 lari

giorgi vaSaZe:

`kompromisebi

da erTianoba

ualternativoa~

gv. 7

daviT gamcemliZe:

`kadirovs

aranairi

`kerZo

iniciativa~

ar SeiZleba,

hqondes~

gv. 18

fiqria CixraZe:

`xazaraZem da

jafariZem

mniSvnelovan

process

daudes

saTave~

gv. 8

gaxaria da kalaZe

gv. 6

gv. 10

maJoritarobis

kandidatebis gamo

erTmaneTs

daupirispirdnen

gigla baramiZe: `premierad

nino burjanaZes warvadgenT!~

lado kaxaZe:

`korona

`ocnebis~

mokavSire

ki ara, mteria!~

xaTuna xoferia:

`dRes bokeriasa da

`nacionalebTan~ nebismier

Temaze molaparakeba

saqarTvelos mtrobaa!~

gv. 4 gv. 12 gv. 14

petre mamraZe:

`ivaniSvili

`ocnebas~

veRar

akontrolebs~

`qronika+~-is Semdegi nomeri gamova 7 ivliss

N13 (315) 23.06-06.07.2020 w.

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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com

`qronika~ da irakli RaribaSvili erT

ramdenime dRis win „mTavari

goCa mircxulava

arxis” Jurnalistma laSa kvese-

analitikosi

laZem metad saintereso kvleva

gamacno, romelic TvalnaTliv

adasturebs, rom saqarTveloSi hibriduli, sainformacio omi

mZvinvarebs. Cven xSirad saerTodac ver vamCnevT mis arsebobas.

sxva rom araferi, arc imis dajereba gvinda, rom ruse-

Tis specsamsaxurebs sainformacio jarebi hyavT, romlebic

maTTvis sakmaod efeqtianad axerxeben sazogadoebrivi azrisa

da ganwyobebis manipulirebas. imis gaTvaliswinebiT, rom Tema

exeba „qronika+”-Si gamoqveynebul Cems erT-erT publikacias,

Sevecdebi, vrclad movyve sakiTxis arsze.

https://www.recordedfuture.com/ aqveynebs

kvlevas, CYBER THREAT

ANALYSIS | Intent to Infekt: ‘Operation

Pinball’ Tactics Reminiscent of ‘Operation

Secondary Infektion’.

kvlevis SesavalSive aRniSnulia,

rom Insikt jgufma gamoavlina

sainformacio operacia, romelic

didi rwmunebiT emTxveva imas, rasac

atlantikuri sabWos cifruli

kriminalisturi laboratoria

(DFRLab) „meorad infeqcias” uwodebs:

faruli sainformacio operacia,

romelic mimarTulia aSSisa

da evropis xelisuflebebis

winaaRmdeg da Seqmnilia ruseTSi.

kvlevis avtorebma aRniSnul operacias

uwodes „operacia pinboli”

(Operation Pinball).

aqve aRniSnulia, rom analitikosebis

SefasebiT, xdeboda estoneTis

xelisuflebis urTier-

Tobis gafuWeba evrokavSirTan migrantebis

krizisis periodSi. aseve

gamovlenilia „amave kampaniis

meore SemTxveva, romelic mimarTulia

saqarTvelos xelisuflebisa

da afxazeTisa da „samxreT oseTis”

sadavo teritoriebisadmi,

aseve saqarTvelosa da Crdiloatlantikuri

xelSekrulebis (NATO)

mzardi urTierTobebis Sesaryevad”.

Insikt jgufi aRniSnavs, rom es

sainformacio operacia moicavda

internetresursebis farTo

qsels, erTjerad angariSebs, Reddit-sa

da sxva socialur qselebs.

analitikosebi acxadeben, rom es

sainformacio operacia gaTvlili

iyo dasavleT evropisa da dsT-is

rusulenovani mkiTxvelisTvis.

mkvlevrebi didi rwmunebis xarisxiT

miiCneven, rom, minimum, erTi operacia

kvalav grZeldeba, xolo

sxva, savaraudod, dagegmvis stadiazea.

kvlevis farglebSi Catarebuli

gamoZiebiT dadgenilia sxvadasxva

dokumentis gayalbeba.

axla konkretulad, ra weria

kvlevaSi saqarTvelosa da mis

winaaRmdeg mimarTul sainformacio

omis erT epizodze:

2020 wlis 10 ianvars Reddit-is

angariSma u / TarielGeFr Seqmna Setyobineba

(posti) franguli subreddit

r / France-sTvis saTauriT: Un vrai

rêve géorgien, („namdvili qarTuli

ocneba”). postSi aRniSnulia, _

imis miuxedavad, rom avtori didi

xania devnilia, is guldasmiT akvirdeba

qarTul politikas. aSS-is

mier saqarTvelos damoukideblobis

aRiarebis Semdeg qveynis integracia

natoSi saxelmwifo doneze

gaxda usafrTxoebis strategiuli

prioriteti. avtori ganixilavs

afxazeTisa da e. w. samxreT oseTis

suverenitetis sakiTxs da aRni-

Snavs, rom Tu suverenitetis sakiTxi

adre „xelSeuxebeli” iyo, axla

misi ganxilva mimdinareobs. aq

moyvanilia bmuli „qronika+~-Si

gamoqveynebul Cems publikaciaze:

„ganveSoroT afxazeTs, davasruloT

sasargeblo idiotoba _ maT

Zmoba ar surT”. Tumca avtori

wers, TiTqos gamocema miiCnevs,

rom „saqarTvelom unda „moiSoros”

(dedanSi, _ ganveSoroT) afxazeTi”.

u / TarielGeFr-i acxadebs, rom

eTanxmeba gazeTis mosazrebas da

amtkicebs, _ saqarTvelos xelisufleba

mivida afxazeTis suverenitetis

aRiarebis gadawyvetilebamde.

u / TarielGeFr-i rwmunebiT

acxadebs, rom saqarTvelos xelisuflebis

mxridan „xmamaRali gancxadebebi”

mosalodneli ar aris

da is mSvid viTarebaSi gegmavs

„eqsperimentul nabijebs”, raTa

daaCqaros afxazeTis damoukideblobis

aRiareba natoSi Sesvlis

paralelurad, rasac adasturebs

saqarTvelos Tavdacvis ministr

irakli RaribaSvilis mier natos

genmdivan ian stoltenbergisTvis

2019 wlis 29 noembers gagzavnili

werili. magram saqme is aris, rom

Insikt jgufi darwmunebiT acxadebs,

_ Tavdacvis ministris werili gayalbebulia

da es Cveni gazeTis

mkiTxvelsac SeuZlia sakuTari

TvaliT naxos. sxva rom araferi,

„loud statements” (ãðîìêèå ñëîâà

_ translated: loud words) es rusuli

frazaa, romelic Insikt jgufis

mtkicebiT, rusulidan frangulze

pirdapiri Targmania, rac,

sxva garemoebebTan erTad, mklevarebisTvis

gasagebs xdis, rom

postis avtori u / TarielGeFr rusulenovania.

qarTveli mkiTxvelisTvis

ki blankis naxvac sakmarisia

imis misaxvedrad, rom werili yalbia.

werilSi aRniSnulia, rom dagegmilia

engurhesis gayidvac, romelic

warmoadgens „dabrkolebas”

saqarTvelos natoSi integraciisTvis.

aseve saubaria, rom saqar-

Tvelo awarmoebs molaparakebebs

TurqeTTan da sxva qveynebTan damatebiTi

eleqtroenergiis Sesa-

Zenad qveynis energetikuli usafrTxoebisa

da damoukideblobisTvis

NATO-s potenciuri mtrebisgan.

u / TarielGeFr varaudobs, rom

aman SesaZloa, eleqtroenergiis

tarifis gaZvirebac gamoiwvios,

rac sulac ar aris sasurveli saqarTvelosTvis.

Semdgom moyvanilia

aseve varaudi, rom odesme Sesa-

Zloa, sadavo teritoriebma saqar-

TveloSi dabruneba moindomon da

uamravi keTildReoba miiRon.

madlobis meti ra gveTqmis Insikt

jgufisTvis am sakiTxis Rrmad

SeswavlisTvis. unda aRiniSnos,

rom redaqciisTvis momarTvis

SemTxvevaSi Cven bevrad gavuadvilebdiT

saqmes mkvlevrebs, radgan,

jer kidev, 2019 wlis 14 ivliss

kremlis erT-erTma ideologiurma

ruporma „regmumma” TiTqmis

analogiuri interpretacia gaake-

Ta (https://regnum.ru/news/polit/

2647613.html). Tumca, maleve, „regnums”

gamoexmaura radio „Tavisuflebis”

kavkasiis biuro, sadac avtorma

vitali Sariam ganmartebebi

gaakeTa Cems publikaciasTan da

interpretaciasTan dakavSirebiT

(https://www.ekhokavkaza.com/a/

30006852.html?fbclid=IwAR15xPY

Lv4rqmJBi3BNZGCDv

1suF108QlQW cVbr16yLPb

u1wP-6sSyKnzTM).

* * *

kidev erTxel SevxedoT,

ra gaafeika

Cem SemTxvevaSi „avtorma”.

rac Seexeba

saqarTvelos Tavdacvis

ministr irakli

RaribaSvilis

werilis gayalbebas,

vimeoreb: Tundac

blankze daxedvac

sasacilos xdis mis

Sinaarss. magram sasacilod

qarTvelisTvis

da ara mosatyuebeli

rusi Tu

ucxoeli auditoriisTvis.

mokled, gasuli

wlis ivnisSi „qronika+”-Si

gamovaqveyne

publikacia „ganve-

SoroT afxazeTs,

davasruloT sasargeblo

idiotoba _ maT

Zmoba ar surT” (http://

qronikaplus.ge/?p=18803).

publikaciis paTosi

sakmaod mwvavea da mowodebulia

radikaluri

qmedebebis ganxorcielebisken

umTavresi daTqmiT:

„ramdeni saukunec ar unda

gavides, saqarTvelosTvis

afxazeTi afxazeTi iqneba! ras vgulisxmob,

amasac ar ganvavrcob,

mixvdebiT da verc erTi mTavroba

verc erT politikur „raskladSi”

sakuTar Tavze ver aiRebs pasuxismgeblobas,

masze uari Tqvas. anu

oficialuri Tbilisi arasodes

aRiarebs afxazeTis damoukideblobas,

saqarTvelos dedaqalaq-

Si rusi „namestnikic” rom ijdes.

es mainc, ise _ daTqmad, kargad

rom icodnen da esmodeT „iq _ gaRma”.

aqve moyvanilia xuTi punqti,

romelic unda gatardes, raTa

mudmivad ar viyoT im rolSi, rom

afxazebi da maT zurgs ukan mdgomi

okupantebi gvkarnaxodnen dRis

wesrigs, aramed Cven Tavad SevqmnaT

dRis wesrigi. kerZod:

„1. Cven unda mivmarToT „iq _

gaRma napirze” darCenil qarTul

mosaxleobas da vuTxraT, _ wamodiT!

wamosulebs ki yvela piroba

SevuqmnaT aq cxovrebisTvis. sxvagvarad

rogor gamodis? qarTul

mosaxleobas „oficialuri soxumi”

(naxeT, Segnebulad ar davwere

an marionetuli, an separatistuli...)

saarCevno xmad iyenebs

da mere am adamianebis mier arCeuli

liderebi saqarTvelos ebrZvian.

ar damiwyoT axla, rom aq isedac

didi gaWirvebaa da ver vupatronebT.

Cven maT unda mivceT

minimaluri: saxli da daxmarebebi

imaze orjer meti odenobiT, vidre

iq aqvT. danarCeni maT unda

SeZlon. es saxelmwifoebrivi

azrovnebaa. ara? ar undaT ase?

surT, rom iq iyvnen, imaTTan, vinc

gvebrZvis? ki batono _ es maTi

arCevani iqneba da parizisa Tu

strasburgis quCebSi „karvebis

qalaqebSi” myofi _ saqarTveloze

uaris mTqmeli qarTvelebiviT _

mixedaven sakuTar Tavs. mZime verdiqtia,

magram samarTliani _ ar

gindivar _ Seni nebaa, ver da ar

gaiZuleb, CemTan iyo;

2. dauyovnebliv unda Sewydes

yvela saxis mimosvla gaRmagamoRma

(sxvaTa Soris,

igive unda gavakeToT Sida

qarTlSic). gonieri

politikuri gadawyvetileba

iqneboda, droebiT

administraciuli

sazRvari rusebma ki

ar aaSenon, aramed

Cven aRvmarToT.

aranairi vaWroba

da humanitaruli

daxmarebebi. aranairi

mkurnaloba,

aranairi

daxmareba _ „adamiani”

dasanaxad

ver gitans,

ezizRebi, mzad

aris, gaganadguros

da ra humanizms

TamaSob?

mibrZandes, batono

da „soCaSi”,

krasnodarSi, moskovSi

imkurnalos da

aq gamonaklisebi dasaSvebi

ar aris! Zalian

arahumanuria.

erTi SexedviT, _ ki! magram

politikurad

pragmatuli da Tu imave

humanizmis prizmaSi gavxedavT

sakiTxs, humanuric gaxlavT.

Sen Svilisa da mSoblis

saflavze ar mimiSva, Cems saxlSi

gaafxazebuli da mere garusebuli

tipebi Caasaxlo da me Seni si-

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frontze rusuli feikis winaaRmdeg!

cocxlisTvis vibrZolo? unda

dasruldes es uazro stokholmis

sindromi da moCvenebiTi humanizmi.

miT ufro, axla cxeli omi

ar mimdinareobs, sadac mtrisadmi

pativiscemisa da misi Rirsebis SenarCunebis

valdebuleba arsebobs.

arc „stumar-maspinZlis” maTavari

saTqmelia gasameorebeli _ mteri

ar arsebobs! (l. berZeniSvilis saocari

axsna). amitomac es moCvenebiTi

humanizmi unda davamarcxoT

CvenSi;

3. zemoTac vTqvi da axla mkveTrad

gavimeoreb: administraciuli

sazRvris mTel perimetrze Cven

unda avaSenoT kedeli _ gnebavT,

sxva saxis barieri da mkacrad vakontroloT,

rom Citmac ver gadaifrinos

Cveni nebarTvis gareSe;

4. qarTulma specsamsaxurebma

unda Seqmnan meqanizmi da amis miRweva

advilia, rom arsebobdes

„damoukidebeli afxazeTis” Ti-

Toeuli moqalaqis sia, maT Soris

imaTi, romelTac aqvT rusuli

pasportebi da saerTaSoriso TanamegobrobasTan

„gaformdes xelSekruleba”,

rom verc erTi „afxazeTis

moqalaqe”, maT Soris,

rusulpasportiani, ver moxvdeba

evropaSi, aSS-Si an nebismier sxva

qveyanaSi. ra Tqma unda, iqnebian

iseTi saxelmwifoebi, romlebic

amaze Znelad gamogvyvebian, magram

amis daZlevis araerTi gza da xerxi

arsebobs _ imave saerTa-

Soriso zewolis, sanqciebis gamoyenebiT;

5. afxazeTidan civilizebul

samyaroSi moxvedris erTaderTi

gza unda iyos Tbilisi da saqar-

Tvelos pasporti. yvela saxis benefitis,

daxmarebis, humanitaruli,

samedicino Tanadgomis gza unda

gadiodes saqarTvelos saxelmwifos

pasportze. es pasporti

sadRac skivrSi Senaxuli ar unda

gaxldeT, romelsac Cvens gasabriyveblad

gamoacureben periodulad,

aramed informacia TiToeuli

personis Sesaxeb unda iyos sajaro.

metic: qarTulma saxelmwifom

yvela saxis privilegia unda

Seuqmnas aseT adamianebs, dawyebuli

swavla-ganaTlebis umaRlesi

standartebis uzrunvelyofiT da

sxvadasxva saxis daxmarebis gaweviT

dasrulebuli, maT Soris,

fuladi kompensaciebiT. ar moisurveben?

ra problemaa? _ maTi

nebaa, magram Cven Cveni politikuri

neba unda gvqondes da mudam

maT Wkuaze ar unda viaroT da maT

dakrulze ar unda vicekvoT”.

publikaciis bolos erTmniSvnelovnad

da mikib-mokibvis

gareSe aRvniSnav: „davasruloT es

sasargeblo idiotebis politika;

davasruloT _ „afxazi Zmebi”;

davasruloT _ „gvaxsovdes afxazeTi!”

(„lenin vsegda budet Jit”,

_ ase rom ismis); davasruloT _

gulwrfeli Tu moCvenebiTi humanizmi!

davasruloT iluziebSi cxovreba!

Cven axla gvWirdeba Sesa-

Zloa, arapopularuli, magram

mkveTri nabijebi am mimarTulebiT

da es nabijebi unda gadavdgaT. ar

gadavdgamT dRes, gadadgamen xval!

ubralod, isev davagvianebT didi

xniT, isev iluziebSi cxovrebas

gavagrZelebT da isev movityuebT

Tavs. zemoT moyvanil im xuT punqts

uamravi detali axlavs. magram

dauZleveli winaaRmdegoba ar arsebobs.

sworad unda gaviazroT,

imaT _ „iq _ gaRma napirze” Cven ar

vWirdebiT da Cven nu vetenebiT!

`am yvelaferSi rusma `amoikiTxa~, rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba afxazeTis

damoukideblobis aRiarebas apirebs. an me vpropagandireb amas `qronika+~-is

meSveobiT. am imediT acxovreben afxazebs, rom erT dRes aq gadavireviT da

xonCiT mivarTmevT aRiarebas. ara, ver eRirsebian. vimeoreb, verc erTi

xelisufleba am sakiTxs ver Seexeba, hibriduli omis farglebSi

sainformacio saartilerio jarebic rom dagvasion.~

ar vundivarT da maSin iaron im

gziT, romelsac Cven ganvsazRvravT

da ara im gziT, romliTac

siaruls Tavad gvaiZuleben”.

* * *

es formula, anu afxazeTisa da,

zogadad, okupirebuli teritoriebis

izolirebisa da ara maT-

Tvis sxvadasxva daxmarebis gawevis,

absoluturad marTebuli rom

gaxlavT, mogvianebiT dadasturda,

rodesac TbilisSi vizitad myofma

natos eqsgenmdivanma, anders

fog rasmusenma, saqarTvelos

Crdiloatlantikur perspeqtivaze

isaubra. am movlenisadmi

miZRvnil publikaciaSi „NATO

Sors da NATO axlos” (2029 wlis ivlisi

http://qronikaplus.ge/?p=19457), kidev

erTxel gavimeore zemoT moyvanili

paTosi.

vrceli citata publikaciidan:

„sami aTeuli wlis ganmavlobaSi

Cven ver mivxvdiT, rom mteri aris

mteri da ar veSvebiT idiotur

saxalxo diplomatias. saxalxo

diplomatia muSaobs mxolod, vimoreb,

mxolod maSin, rodesac

mowinaaRmdegesTan xar Tanabar vi-

TarebaSi. axla, rus-afxazi da

rus-osi aris mteri da aq gardasul

dReTa mogonebani an calkeuli

adamianuri sentimentebi, na-

Tel-mironoba verafers cvlis.

samxedro strategiuli da

politikuri prizmiT davinaxoT

sakiTxi. davuSvaT, xval gavxdiT

natos wevrebi, ase _ pirdapir,

yovelgvari MAP-is gareSe. avtomaturad

amoqmedda me-5 muxli

saqarTvelos xelisuflebis kontrolirebad

teritoriaze. zeg

ruseTma gaagrZela borderizaciis

procesi romelime sofelSi, anu

`mere adminsazRvarze Cven unda avaSenoT

`kedeli ise, rom Citic ver gadmofrindes.

mxolod Semdeg aRgviqvams yvela

saerTaSoriso moTamaSe saxelmwifod da

mteric - angariSgasawev Zalad. es ar

niSnavs okupirebul teritoriebze uaris

Tqmas. es niSnavs maT izolacias im

arCevaniT, rac gaakeTes. es niSnavs

saqarTvelos swor ganviTarebas~

kidev Semoiwia saqarTvelos teritoriaze.

ra unda gaakeTos natom?

ra Tqma unda, mexuTe muxlis

safuZvelze daiwyos omi! mas amas

aliansis wesdeba avaldebulebs.

daiwyebs? anu mesame msoflio oms

daiwyebs saqarTveloSi? _ ara!

ratom? Tu omi unda daviwyoT da

amisTvis gvWirdeba nato, isini

idiotebi ki ar arian, martivi

kiTxva gauCndebaT, _ Tqven ratom

ar iwyebdiT oms, rodesac guSinwin

igives akeTebda ruseTi?

es ukve cugcvangia, xvdebiT? es

mdgomareobaa swored Sori gza

natomde. anu gza, rodesac kari

Riaa da ver SevdivarT. da vis awyobs

es mdgomareoba yvelaze

ufro? ra Tqma unda, ruseTs da

ra Tqma unda, saqarTvelos prorusul

Zalebs, romlebic mudam

dialogs gaiZaxian. kidev es mdgomareoba

awyobT afxaz da os separatistebs,

romlebic rusuli okupaciis

pirobebSi cxovroben

Turme gancxromiT da saqarTveloSi

(saxarovis termins Tu gamoviyeneb),

„patara imperiaSi”, maTi

uflebebi Selaxuli yofila. kidev

es mdgomareoba awyobs yvela xelisuflebas,

romelic mters Zmas

eZaxis da aTas sulelur programasa

da proeqts igonebs „Sesarigeblad”,

realurad ki mters kvebavs

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis, gadasaxadis

gadamxdelis fuliT.

vimeoreb: arsebuli status-kvo

aris Sori gza NATO-mde, anu gza

arsad. da am „gzas arsad” rom ver

xedaven, magram Sedegi surT, mxolod

emociebiT ganmsjel qarTvel

moqalaqeebs moeCvenaT apaturais

gancxadeba „civ Sxapad”.

amitomac aris am adamianebis, moqalaqeebis

fsevdointeleqtualizmi

da patriotizmi saSiSi da

saxifaToc ki.

* * *

da arsebobs ki axlo gza?

diax, Cven unda daviwyoT okupirebuli

teritoriebis izolaciis

politika. SevwyvitoT

yovelgvari humanitaruli misiebi.

„gaRma” darCenil qarTvelobas

naTlad unda ganvumartoT, _ dabrundiT

saqarTvelos kontrolirebad

teritoriaze da vinc

dabrundeba, imaT SevuqmnaT sacxovrebeli

pirobebi, mivceT daxmarebebi.

sxva rom araferi, es Cveni

Tanamoqalaqeebi imaT arCevneb-

Si monawileoben da irCeven im xelisuflebebs,

romlebic klaven

oTxozorias, tatunaSvils... maT

ara mxolod sakuTar Tavze unda

aiRon pasuxismgebloba, aramed

qarTuli saxelmwifos winaSec.

mesmis, es didi tvirTia, magram

ufro didi tvirTi uzidavT Cvens

winaprebs am qveynis Cvenamde mosatanad.

vinc uars ityvis am SeTavazebaze,

esec maTi Segnebuli arCevani

iqneba da veravin daZraxavs.

ubralod, maT im reJimSi mouwevT

cxovreba, romelSic icxovreben iq

danarCeni „gaRma” myofni.

mere adminsazRvarze Cven unda

avaSenoT „kedeli ise, rom Citic

ver gadmofrindes. mxolod Semdeg

aRgviqvams yvela saerTaSoriso

moTamaSe saxelmwifod da mteric

_ angariSgasawev Zalad. es ar niSnavs

okupirebul teritoriebze

uaris Tqmas. es niSnavs maT izolacias

im arCevaniT, rac gaakeTes. es

niSnavs saqarTvelos swor ganvi-

Tarebas. ai, am viTarebaSia Sesa-

Zlebeli swored „mexuTe muxlis

gareSe”.

paralelurad Cvenma specsamsaxurebma

da saxelmwifom yvela

saerTaSoriso organizacias, yvela

saxlmwifos, romelic aRiarebs

saqarTvelos teritoriul mTlianobas,

unda mimarTos konkretuli

moTxovniT: ar dauSvan saku-

Tar teritoriaze okupirebuli

teritoriebis mosaxleoba, Tundac

rusuli pasportis mflobelebi.

am siis gakeTeba advilia,

Tumca, pirvel etapze, sakmaod

Sromatevadi iqneba. marTalia, es

uSualo kavSirSi ar aris me-5 muxlTan

da, gnebavT, NATO-Si gawevrianebasTan,

magram es saxelmwifos

identobisa da misi nebis gamomxatveli

qmedebaa. moundeba

vinmes ucxoeTSi swavla, mkurnaloba

an sxva mizniT gasvla? _

mxolod saqarTvelos moqalaqis

pasportiT da mxolod saqarTvelos

gavliT.

izolaciis politikaze erTerTi

diskusiisas damisves kiTxva,

_ ra vuyoT enguris hidroeleqtrosadgurs?

gamosavali aqac martivi

gaxlavT, Cven is grZelvadian

marTvaSi unda gadavceT saerTa-

Soriso tenderiT, xolo eleqtrosadguris

saqmianobis monitoringi

evrokavSiris Sesabamisma komisiam

unda ganaxorcielos. esec

rutinuli samuSaoa raRac etapze,

magram absoluturad miRwevadi.

es gaxlavT mokle gza NATOsken.

es gaxlavT saxelmwifos identobis

mademonstrirebeli qmedebebi

da ara suleluri dialogi,

romelic arafers gvaZlevs mesame

aTeuli welia.

im kedlis arsebobis pirobebSi

mere ecodineba NATO-s, ra unda

daicvas da ecodineba ruseTsac,

ra moyveba mis Tavxedur „iniciativebs”.

amis mere nebismieri demarSi

iqneba ara saqarTvelos

winaaRmdeg ganxorcielebuli,

aramed NATO-s winaaRmdeg mimarTuli

da mere kremlma imkiTxaos,

aamoqmedebs Tu ara briuseli me-5

muxls. Cven amaze safiqrali ar

gveqneba, radgan zustad gvecodineba,

rom diax _ aamoqmedebs”.

da am yvelaferSi rusma „amoikiTxa”,

rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba

afxazeTis damoukideblobis

aRiarebas apirebs. an me vpropagandireb

amas „qronika+~-is meSveobiT.

am imediT acxovreben afxazebs,

rom erT dRes aq gadavireviT

da xonCiT mivarTmevT aRiarebas.

ara, ver eRirsebian. vimeoreb,

verc erTi xelisufleba am sakiTxs

ver Seexeba, hibriduli omis

farglebSi sainformacio saartilerio

jarebic rom dagvasion. da

Tu radikalur nabijebs ver gadadgams

es, momavali an imis momavali

xelisufleba, Tu kidev imis

molodinSi viqnebiT, rom afxazeT-

Si loialurad ganwyobil prezidents

airCeven, amiT, ubralod,

dros davkargavT. magram Cven

aucileblad „ganveSorebiT afxazeTs”

_ ganveSorebiT yalb

Zmobas; mtrisTvis morduobis Sexsenebas;

oTxozorias mkvlelis

STamomavlobisTvis da axloblebisTvis

imedis micemas, Tu cudad

gaxdebian, vumkurnalebT; rom maT

ojaxebSi qorwilebs CvenTan nayidi

„praveziiT” gadaixdian da sanacvlod

sakuTari mSoblebis saflavebze

ar migviSveben; Cven Sev-

ZlebT da CavuketavT maT yvela

gzas civilizebul samyarosTan;

Cven ise moveqceviT maT, rogorc

isini amas imsaxureben. ase moqmedeben

Tavmoyvare saxelmwifoebi,

arsebobs msoflioSi amis araerTi

aprobirebuli modeli _ Tundac

samxreT koreaSi, Tundac israel-

Si. sul es iyo, morigi feik-ambis

Taobaze. cudi kargis gareSe ar

arsebobs, kargi am yvelaferSi ki

is aris, rom afxazebi kidev erTxel

gaigeben, rom maTi damoukidebloba

blefia, xolo maTi Tavisufleba

rusi jariskacis Ceqmis

lanCis fasi Rirs.

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Semodgomaze erTi weli gaxdeba, rac deputatia. Tavidan

iseTi piri uCanda, rom SesaZloa, mTawmindis ukanaskneli ma-

Joritari yofiliyo, magram mas Semdeg, rac 120/30-ze sistema

dadga dRis wesrigSi, imis albaToba, rom maJoritaroba kidev

daapiros, isev arsebobs... Tanac im SemTxvevaSi, Tu mmarTve-

li gundi mis kandidaturas kvlav mTawmindaze daasaxelebs,

maSin istoria ganmeordeba, anu lado kaxaZesTan Serkineba

Salva SavguliZes meored mouwevs. Tumca rogorc „qronika+~sTan

ambobs, lado kaxaZes jer gadawyvetili ar aqvs, poli-

tikaSi darCeba Tu pensiaze gava.

mokled, vidre gadawyveti-

lebas miiRebs, lado kaxaZe

Cvens gamocemas postpandemiur

viTarebaze, ufro sworad, imaze

esaubra, iqca Tu ara korona

„ocnebis” mTavar mokavS-

ired:

_ batono lado, rogor

xarT?

_ ara miSavs.

_ rogor moipandemieT?

_ Zalian mkacrad da yvela

wesis dacviT _ xom iciT, 65

wels zemoT cota saSiSia da

bavSvebTanac ar mivdiodi, Tumca

Tu saWiro iyo, umravlesobisa

Tu parlamentis riggareSe

sxdomebs veswrebodi.

_ Tqveni azriT, koronapan-

demiam ra gvaswavla?

_ koronapandemiam is gvaswavla,

rom adamianis garSemo bevri

safrTxea, romelTanac kargad

gamklaveba maSin SeiZleba,

roca amaSi adamianis ganaTleba

CaerTveba, anu garTulebebis

Sinaarss rom Caswvdeba da

profesionalebis rekomendaciebs

Seasrulebs. saerTod,

biosferoSi virusebi mudmivad

arseboben da araswori mopyrobis

gamo ekosistemac safrTxes

mudmivad qmnis. nebismieri daavadeba

ki adamianSi sust adgils

eZebs. am kuTxiT yvela,

rasakvirvelia, profesiul ganaTlebas

ver miiRebs, magram

saamisod samedicino personali,

sistema da saxelmwifo arsebobs.

aseve horizontaluri,

vertikaluri da mravaldoniani

koordinaciac arsebobs. am pandemiam

swored es daamtkica,

rom Tu yvelani erTmaneTs mxarSi

amovudgebiT, iseT urTules

gamowvevas, rogoric pandemiaa,

gavumklavdebiT.

_ es yvelaferi gasagebia,

magram im dros, roca sazoga-

doeba isedac dazafrulia,

eqimma cecxlze navTi unda

daasxas da xalxs uTxras, WkuiT

Tu ar iqnebiT, kuboebs ve-

Rar daviTvliTo?

_ nodar dumbaZis „kukaraCa”

xom gaxsovT?

_ qeTi doliZis „Cemi kuka-

raCac” maxsovs da nanaxic

maqvs.

_ hoda, xom gaxsovT, iq

rogoraa.

_ rogor?

_ kukaraCa eubneba: qalbatono

aniko, es didi sabWoTa

enciklopediaa, romelSic weria,

erTi grami nikotini cxens

klavso. aniko dainteresdeba, _

amiT raze mimaniSnebo? geniosi

nodar dumbaZe kukaraCas apasuxebinebs,

_ qalbatono aniko,

aq panaSvidisa da qelexis xarjebze

araferi weriao.

_ diax, es marTlac genialuri

pasaJia, magram kuka-

raCa, paata imnaZis msgavsad,

eqimi ar iyo da viTarebis dra-

matizebis uflebac, albaT,

hqonda.

_ mesmis, magram, orive SemTxvevaSi,

es metaforuli formaa,

Tan ai, magaliTd, TqvenisTana

kacs sityvis sjera.

_ sityvis ki mjera, magram

adamians, romelic jer „kuboebis

veRar daTvliT” gvemuqre-

ba da mere ambobs, gavazviadeo,

ar vendobi!

_ espaneTisa da italiis magaliTebi

gvqonda, eqimebi arCevanis

winaSe rom idgnen, vin

gadaerCinaT da vin _ ara. kadrebic

gavrcelda, am didi

ubedurebis gaumklaveblobis

SemTxvevaSi, adamianebma ra ziani

miiRes. paata imnaZemac wina

planze, albaT, es faqtori

wamowia.

saerTod, ramdenime momenti

arsebobs: piradi magaliTi, Segoneba,

Txovna, mudara, ganaTlebis

elementebi da Tu mainc

ar dagijereben, unda gaamZafro,

Tan xom iciT, qarTvelebis

naTqvamia, Tu ar mijereb,

kinCxic gitexiao. isic maxsovs,

sagangebo mdgomareoba da komendantis

saaTi iyo, romlis

darRvevazec sajarimo sanqciebi

arsebobda, magram adamianebi

jinaze mainc quCaSi dadiodnen.

_ sityvam moitana da bevri

fiqrobs, rom am komendantis

saaTs virusTan brZolis ki

ara, ufro politikuri, ase

vTqvaT, elferi hqonda. ai,

kuboebiT muqara ki aRdgomis

dResaswauls daemTxva. batono

lado, Tqven, rogorc morw-

mune adamiani, ras ityviT, _

koronas SiSi adamianebSi rwmenas

Caklavda da isini eklesia-

Si aRar wavidodnen?

_ sxvaTa Soris, eklesia mxolod

saqarTveloSi ar daxurula

da amas arc aravin gabedavda!

yvelaze samkuranlo sityvebiT

ki mrevls patriarqma

mimarTa, _ vinc asakiani xarT an

Sin moxuci gyavT, eklesiaSi

Tqveni armosvla uaryofiTad

ar Sefasdeba da amis gamo ar

ganikiTxebiTo. am SemTxvevaSi

ersa da bers Soris erTnairi

damokidebuleba arsebobda,

radgan am siveragis ganvrcoba

yvelam gaisigrZegana. es oxeri

virusi kontaqturia _ mas adamiania

atarebs da SeiZleba,

nebsiT Tu uneblieT, sxvas gadasdos.

patriarqi suliT eqimi,

mkurnalia. amitom, yvelaferi

sworad dainaxa da gadavrCiT.

mrevlmac daujera _

xom naxeT, eklesiaSi xalxi

rogori distanciis dacviTa da

pirbadebiiT idga. Tqven rom

icodeT, swored am eTnokulturam

gadagvarCina, anu aq

gamZafrebac iyo, argumentaciac,

sarwmunoebis nawili, saer-

`korona `ocnebis~

lado kaxaZe:

`adamianis

sicocxlis xelyofa

ar SeiZleba _

qveynis SigniT

iqneba Tu gareT.

vin misca vinmes

ufleba, rom sxvisi

sicocxle xelyos?!

es dasjadia!~

TaSoriso gamocdileba, vertikali,

didi mobilizaciac da,

sxvaTa Soris, Jurnalistebmac

Zalian didi saqme gaakeTeT.

zogma Tema awieT, zogma _ ara,

magram yuradRebis gamaxvileba-

Si yvelafer amas mainc Zalian

didi roli hqonda.

_ CvenSi darCes da, zogi

imasac ambobs, koronapandemia

msoflio mediaproeqti iyoo.

_ anu imas mianiSnebT, rom

medias aseTi provokaciis mowyoba

SeuZlia?

_ medias bevri ram SeuZlia,

Tumca provokaciebSi politi-

kosebs badali ar hyavT!

_ e. i., Tqven, rogorc Jurnalisti

da me, rogorc politikosi,

Tan eqimi, raRac SeTqmulebis

Teoriis monawileebi

gamovdivarT!

_ batono lado, aq Cemsa da

Tqvenze ki ara, msofliozea

laparaki. yvelafers Tavi rom

davaneboT, igive janmos mima-

rT kiTxvebi ukve arsebobs da

araerTi qveyana mis winaaRmdeg

gamoZiebis dawyebas iTxovs.

_ gamoZieba Jurnalistebis

mimarTacaa dawyebuli da _

eqimebisac.

_ ra Tqma unda, magram am

konkretul SemTxvevaSi bevri

kiTxvis niSania. aki, trampic

ambobs, rom janmos aRar daa-

finansebs da, garkveulwilad,

CineTic eWvmitanilia, rom ko-

ronaze informacia, minimum,

droulad ar gaavrcela.

_ Tu aseTi Temebi ar iqneba,

verc Jurnalistebi iarsebeben

da verc _ politikosebi. mogvwons

Tu ara, es Cveni gadasawyvetia,

magram aseTi panikiT

viRac sazrdoobs da ver ganvi-

`espaneTisa da italiis magaliTebi gvqonda,

eqimebi arCevanis winaSe rom idgnen, vin

gadaerCinaT da vin - ara. kadrebic gavrcelda,

am didi ubedurebis gaumklaveblobis

SemTxvevaSi, adamianebma ra ziani miiRes. paata

imnaZemac wina planze, albaT, es faqtori

wamowia~

kiTxavT. xom iciT, zustad asea

masonebis Temac.

_ rakiRa masonebi axseneT,

barem, miTxariT, 5G interneti-

sa da „daCipvis” Tqvenc xom ar

geSiniaT?

_ ratom unda meSinodes?

saqarTveloSi ultrabgeriTi

gamokvleva rom daviwye, ambobdnen,

ultrabgera Canasaxze

moqmedebso, magram yvelaferi

es 40 wlis winaT iyo, Cems xel-

Si sami-oTxi Taoba daibada da

yvela janmrTeli da saRsalamaTia!

iciT, ra aris? _ teqnologiebSi

aseTi raRacebi xdeba, ai,

magaliTad, „boingi” „konkords”

ebrZoda, radgan konkurentebi

iyvnen. mokled, es brZolaa, magram

goniereba mainc gaimarjvebs

da swori informacia

Tavis gzas ipovis!

_ cxadia, magram iziarebT

mosazrebas, rom arCevnebis win

korona „ocnebis” mTavar

mokavSired iqca?

_ koronam didi energia wagvarTva,

arada, es weli kargad

daiwyo _ ianvarsa da Tebervlis

Sua ricxvebSi iseTi ekonomikuri

aRmavloba gqvonda, romelsac

arc ki velodi. bolos da

bolos, turizmi cxra-naxevar

milionze avida da kidev didi

perspeqtiva iyo. amitom korona

Cveni mokavSire ki ara, mteria,

romelmac bevr sasikeTo

saqmeSi xeli SegviSala! amis

miuxedavad, Cveni gundi am

gaWirvebas ar Seepua, mobilizda,

mTlianad saqmeze gadaerTo

da am gamowvevas Zalian kargad

upasuxa! xSirad vambob xolme,

cudi da kargi erTi bargia,

radgan zogisTvis cudi kargiameTqi.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ radgan politikur velze

var Semosuli, oponentebisgan

yvelafers veli, Tumca ar vakadreb,

cudi kacia-meTqi, jobia,

sxvam Seafasos, oponentis mier

gadadgmuli nabiji moralurad

swori iqneba Tu ara. naTqvamia,

burTi da moedanio, anu burTi

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mokavSire ki ara, mteria!~

erTia, balaxi ki orive mxaris

moTamaSisTvis Tanabar simaRlezea.

_ dRes burTi xelisufleb-

is mxaresaa Tu opoziciis?

_ burTs kargad xmarobs da

misiT kargad moqmedebs qarTveli

eri Tavis mier arCeul xelisufalTan

erTad!

_ Zalian diplomatiurad

mipasuxeT, batono lado!

_ saqarTvelos bevri gulSematkivari

hyavs. zogs aRizianebs,

es warmatebebi ase mijriT

rom midis, magram amas sxvebi

aRiareben!

_ aSS-is kongresidan mosu-

li werilebiT Tu vimsjelebT,

ver vityviT, saqarTvelos xe-

lisufleba warmatebulia, Tan

am warmatebas rom vinme aRi-

arebdes, Tumca am Temaze ar

CageZiebiT da miTxariT, arCe-

vnebamde oTxi Tvea darCenili

da maJoritarobas isev apir-

ebT?

_ ki, 31 oqtombramde oTxi

Tvea darCenili.

_ ise, kobaxiZis msgavsad

Tqvenc xom ar ggoniaT, rom

arCevnebi dekemberSi an, su-

lac, momavali wlis ianvarSi

Catardeba?

_ ara. arCevnebis vadebi konstituciiTaa

gansazRvruli da

yvela sazogadoeba am vadebSi

unda Cajdes, anu is, rac konstituciaSi

weria, CemTvis

kanonia.

_ konstitucias kanonad,

rogorc Cans, kobaxiZe ar mi-

iCnevs, yovel SemTxvevaSi, ar

gamoricxavs, rom Tu epidvi-

Tareba garTuldeba, arCevnebi

gadaidos.

_ kobaxiZe kargad moazrovne

politikosia da naxa, rom ager,

maisSi poloneTSi arCevnebi gadaido!

_ ui, ui, kobaxiZis kargi

politikosoba ar gaiSva!

_ mis ganaTlebaSi eWvs ver

SeitanT _ Tavisi pozicia

yovelTvis argumentebiT aqvT

Camoyalibebuli.

_ mapatieT, magram ganaTlebuloba

da kargi politikoso-

ba sxvadasxva ramea.

_ gaaCnia, vin rogor afasebs.

marTalia, kobaxiZis tonaloba

da simkacre bevrs ar moswons,

magram igi ar igineba, uSver

sityvebs ar ambobs da cuds

aravis hkadrebs.

_ kobaxiZem opozicias sul

„goimi” eZaxa da amaze meti

raRa unda eqna?

_ politikur velSi iseTi

bilwsityvaobaa atexili, „goimi”

ra mosatania? ise, Jurnalistebs

gaqebT, rom adamianis

sust mxareebs Zalian kargad

avlenT.

_ sxvaTa Soris, Tu bilwist-

yvaobaze midgeba saqme, aqac

„ocneba” liderobs _ axla ki

Tqveni gundis wevri aRaraa,

magram maSin, roca premieri

iyo, kvirikaSvili parlamentSi

pirdapir „keTilebs” iginebo-

da.

`patriarqi suliT eqimi, mkurnalia. amitom, yvelaferi sworad dainaxa da

gadavrCiT. mrevlmac daujera - xom naxeT, eklesiaSi xalxi rogori

distanciis dacviTa da pirbadebiiT idga. Tqven rom icodeT, swored am

eTnokulturam gadagvarCina~

_ ar vici, ver getyviT...

_ is mainc miTxariT, rac

weRan gkiTxeT: maJoritarobas

isev apirebT, batono lado?

_ amaze laparaki ar yofila,

Tumca naTqvami maqvs, Tu saWiro

viqnebi, politikuri gundi

gadawyvets da mere sityva mosaxleobazea.

_ maJoritarobas isev apir-

ebT Tu ara, es politikurma

gundma ki ara, mgoni, jer

Tqven unda gadawyvitoT!

_ me sityva naTqvami maqvs.

_ ra sityva?

_ sadac saWiro viqnebi, iq

vidgebi, rogorc erTi jariskaci-meTqi

da ra ufleba maqvs,

es sityvebi ukan waviRo!

_ Tu maJoritarobas isev

mTawmindaze daapirebT, Tqveni

konkurenti uwindeburad Sal-

va SavguliZe iqneba.

_ mere?

_ araferi, ubralod, istoria,

raRacnairad, ganmeorde-

ba da ukan dabrundeba.

_ istoriis ukan dabruneba

ras niSnavs? kalendari icvleba,

Torem istoria sad icvleba?

_ batono lado, Tqven da

SavguliZe erTsa da imave

moedanze erTmaneTs meorejer

SexvdebiT.

_ Tu gangebam ineba, ar vici...

_ da sanam gairkveva, mTawmindis

maJoritarad kenWs kvlav

iyriT Tu ara, bolo drois

yvelaze cxel Temas Sevexebi:

sxva sakiTxia, vinmes giorgi

gabunia, rogorc Jurnalis-

ti, moswons Tu ara, magram ra

emocia hqonda lado kaxaZes,

roca gaigo, rom mis Tanamema-

mules ucxo qveynis warmomad-

geneli mokvlas upirebda?

_ uflis mier adamianisTvis

naCuqari sicocxlis xelyofa

miuRebelia da gamoricxulia,

rom am sakiTxze gonier adamians

dadebiTi reaqcia hqondes!

`gaaCnia, vin rogor afasebs. marTalia,

kobaxiZis tonaloba da simkacre bevrs ar

moswons, magram igi ar igineba, uSver sityvebs

ar ambobs da cuds aravis hkadrebs~

adamianis sicocxlis xelyofa

ar SeiZleba _ qveynis SigniT

iqneba Tu gareT. vin misca

vinmes ufleba, rom sxvisi sicocxle

xelyos?! es dasjadia!

saerTod, uflebis aRsakveTad

ori kategoriis adamianebi

myavs gametebuli: vinc

sxvis sicocxles xelyofs da

meore _ visma danaSaulmac msxverpli

gamoiwvia. yvela sxva

adamians codvis gamarTlebis

saSualeba aqvs. RvTis Svilis

sicocxlis xelyofis codvas ki

vada ar gaaCnia!

ar vexebi, gabunia rogori

Jurnalistia, es misi uflebaa,

Tan sakuTari gza Tavad airCia.

saerTod, Jurnalisti sarkea,

magram sarke SeiZleba, gamrudebuli

iyos, anu Tu sarkes gaacxeleb,

amoiburceba da maRalic

rom iyo, dabals gamogaCens.

mokled, vargisianoba profesionalizmis

Temaa, miT umetes,

nebismier reJimSi oponirebis

momxre var _ adamianis mTeli

cxovreba im gamowvevebTan,

rasac ekosistema sTavazobs,

sakuTari Tavis upiratesobis

mtkicebaa, magram rac Seexeba

konkretul SemTxvevas, sanam

ificialuri daskvna ar iqneba,

ar SeiZleba, adamians miaxalo,

Seni mokvla undaTo.

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kidev erTxel sakuTari miznebi-

sTvis?

_ biZina ivaniSvilisgan gamoricxuli

araferia, rTulia misi

nabijebis prognozireba, misi

araadekvaturobidan gamomdinare,

magram erTi ram danamdvilebiT

SemiZlia vTqva: rac ar unda gadados

„qarTulma ocnebam” arCevnebi,

misi gamarjvebis Sansi yvela

SemTxvevaSi Zalian dabalia. ara

imitom, rom me ase msurs, aramed

imitom, rom realurad arsebobs

ori arCevani: aRmSenebloba, Tavisufali,

erTiani da Zlieri saqar-

Tvelo _ Tu biZina ivaniSvilis uperspeqtivo,

daWaobebuli sistema,

sadac xalxi Raribdeba da Cinovnikebi

mdidrdebian. me imas vambob,

rom aRmSenebloba, Tavisufleba,

ganviTareba ualternativoa!

saqarTvelo gaimarjvebs! Zala

erTobaSia!

ra bedi eliT TurqeTSi dasaqmebul qarTvelebs?

saqarTvelo-TurqeTis sazRvris Caketvis Semdeg

xviCa mamulaZe

Zalian bevri problema Seeqmna Cvens mosaxleobas, vinc

mezobel TurqeTSi gadadioda samuSaod. ramdenime

aTasi adamiani darCa Semosavlis gareSe. isini mTavrobisgan kompensacias ver iReben.

bolo dReebSi maT saprotesto aqcie-

bic gamarTes. aqciis monawileebi aWaris

Tavmjdomares daxmarebas sTxovdnen, ma-

gram uSedegod. aWaris Tavmjdomare maT

dahpirda, rom am sakiTxs centralur xelisuflebasTan

ganixilavda da daxmareb-

is gzas gamonaxavda, Tumca am dromde

araferi ismis. „qronika+~-s aqciis monawi-

leebma ganucxades, rom esec morigi

uSedego dapirebaa. `qronika+~ ramdenime

maTgans gaesaubra:

marina beriZe, aqciis monawile:

„saqarTveloSi ar maqvs samsaxuri, umuSevari

var da Zalian miWirs. Cemi Semosavlis

wyaro mxolod TurqeTi iyo, yoveldRiurad

gadavdiodi, sigareti gadamqonda da

amiT vakeTebdi puris fuls, magram axla

esec aRar maqvs. aqciebic gavmarTeT,

mTavrobas vTxovdiT daxmarebas, kompensaciebs,

magram amasac ver viRebT, radgan

sabuTi ar gagvaCnia”.

N13 (315) 23.06-06.07.2020 w.

ruslan koCaliZe:

„me sezonurad davdiodi TurqeTSi Cais

sakrefad, es iyo Cemi Semosavali. sezonze

dagrovil fuls mTel welze vanawilebdi

da ase gamqonda Tavi. ojaxsac amiT varCendi.

asea Cveni mosaxleobis umetesoba _ yvela

TurqeTSi virCendiT Tavs Cais krefiT,

magram axla ra gveSveleba?! _ damTavrda

pirveli Sekreba da Cven nacvlad sxvebi

muSaoben Cvens adgilze TurqeTSi”.

saqarTvelo-TurqeTis sazRvari dRemde

Caketilia. aravin icis, rodis gaixsneba igi

da rodis SeZleben qarTvelebi TurqeTSi

samuSaod gadasvlas.

Turq damsaqmeblebs imedi aqvT, rom

sazRvari male gaixsneba da meore-mesame

Sekrebaze qarTvelebi mokrefen maT Cais.

„qronika+~ TurqeTSi, kerZod ki qalaq

ofSi Turq damsaqmebel xasan emiroRlis

esaubra:

_ batono xasan, am wels Cais sezonze,

qarTvelebis nacvlad, vin krefda Tqvens

Cais?

_ am sezonze qarTvelebi, samwuxarod,

uzbekebma, qurTebma da avRanelebma Caanacvles,

amaTma mogvikrifes Cais pirveli

„zbori”.

_ rogor SeafasebT maT muSaobas,

qarTvelebze ukeTesad krefen Cais?

_ me ukve davamTavre Cais krefa, magram,

vai, aseT damTavrebas _ uxarisxod mokrifes

Cai! iZulebuli viyavi, sxvebs moekrifaT

Cemi Cai, radgan sazRvari Caketilia da

qarTvelebi ver Semodian. qarTvelebi

Zalian Sromismoyvare xalxia, isini saukeTesod

muSaoben da CvenTvisac kargia, Cven

mxolod qarTvelebi gvinda, sxva _ ara.

_ rogoria Tqveni gadasaxadi muSax-

elze?

_ Cven qarTvelebs kargad vuxdidiT. maT-

Tan es problema ar iyo. vTanxmdebodiT an

kiloze, an dRiur fulze. tonaze vixdiT

1000-1200 liramde da dRiurze 120-150

liras, magram fasebi yovel wels izrdeba.

uzbekebs, qurTebsa da avRanelebs cotas

vuxdiT, radgan ar ician muSaoba da uxarisxod

akeTeben yvelafers. qarTvelebs

ar gvanan muSaobaSi, qarTvelebi muSa xalxia

da uyvarT xarisxiani muSaoba, anazRaurebac

kargi iyo maTTvis.

_ ra molodinebi gaqvT meore-mesame

„zborisTvis

zborisTvis”?

_ Zalian xSirad mqonda kontaqti sakonsuloSi

da vkiTxulobdi, rodis gaixsneboda

sazRvari, magram zust dros ver misaxeleben.

maimedeben, rom sanam meore „zbori”

daiwyeba, manamde gaixsneba sazRvario da

mec velodebi gaxsnas. rogorc ki gaixsneba

sazRvari da Cemi qarTvelebi gadmovlen,

amaT gavuSveb da qarTvelebs vamuSaveb.

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rom es xalxi gavaaqtiuroT da,

amave dros, umTavresi amocanaa

„qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebidan

wasvla. es dro, realurad,

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adgilebSi davinaxvT, rom

romelime kandidati CvenTvis

misaRebia da, amave dros, Se-

Zlebs pirvelive turSi „qarTuli

ocnebis” damarcxebas, mzad

varT, aseT SemTxvevebSi ganvixiloT

Cveni daTmoba.

_ „nacionaluri moZraoba”

yvelaze Zlier opoziciur

Zalad miiCneva da aqedan gamomdinare

mis irgvliv ikribe-

bian sxva partiebi. „lelom”

opoziciuri erTobis saerTo

maJoritar kandidatebs mxari

ar dauWira. amis mTavari motivi

xom ar iyo is, rom ar gsurdaT,

„nacionalur moZraoba-

sTan” yofiliyaviT asocirebu-

li?

_ xelisuflebas Zalian uadvilebs

politikur Sefasebebs

aseTi viTareba, rom yvelas er-

Tad „nacionaluri moZraoba”

daarqvas da daarqves kidec „nacionalebis”

klasteri, satelitebi

da a. S. garkveulwilad,

„lelos” SemTxvevaSi Tqven mier

aRniSnuli motivic SeiZleba

moviazroT, magram mTavari amosavali

mainc siaxle da is amomrCevelia,

romlisTvisac „nacionaluri

moZraoba” sruliad

miuRebelia arCevis doneze,

Torem Cven politikur proces-

Si erTmaneTTan dResac vTanam-

SromlobT da xvalac mogviwevs

TanamSromloba. didi gulubryvilobaa,

adamianebma isaubron

imaze, rom visac qarTvel

amomrCevelSi mxardamWeri

hyavs, dialogidan Tu molaparakebis

sivrcidan, Seni subieqturi

nebiT, misi gariyva moindomo.

_ mas Semdeg, rac „lelom”

sakuTari pozicia daafiqsira

saerTo maJoritar kandi-

datebTan dakavSirebiT, gaisma

am tipis Sefasebebi, rom es

politikuri partia ivaniSvilis

TamaSs TamaSobs, ras upa-

suxebdiT am Sefasebas?

_ vfiqrob, odnav gonieri

adamiani Zalian kargad mixvdeba,

Tu ra ufro uadvilebs

„qarTul ocnebas” amocanas: is,

rom yvelas erTi iarliyi miakras,

maT „sisxliani 9 wlis”

Semoqmedebi eZaxos da amiT kidev

daaSinos qarTuli sazogadoeba,

Tu is, rom, realurad,

politikuri sivrcidan gasuli

amomrCeveli Sen gaaqtiuro da

ukan daabruno? swored „qarTuli

ocnebis” amocana ar aris

am amomrCevlis gaaqtiureba,

radgan mas damkvidrebuli formula

bevrad awyobs, maTi formulis

mixedviT aris erTi „nacionaluri

moZraoba”, Sua gakrefilia

da aravin unda iyos.

am SemTxvevaSi, swored, biZina

`xazaraZem da jafariZem

ivaniSvilisa da „qarTuli ocnebis”

formula ingreva, es Sua

„lelos” warmodgeniT aris da

igi araTu ubralod patar-patara

partiebis nakrebia, aramed

„lelos” aqvs Zalian ambiciuri

pretenzia, darCenil droSi seriozul

niSnulze gavideT. isedac

mokle droSi xdeba es yvelaferi

da „lelos” zrdis dinamikas

sazogadoeba xedavs. Cveni

mizani iseT niSnulze gasvlaa,

romelic srulad gamoricxavs

saubars me-3, me-4 an msgavss

Zalaze. „lelos” aqvs pretenzia,

iyos mniSvnelovani aqtori

da dialogis mTavari ganmapirobebeli

im sakiTxSi, rasac

hqvia koaliciur xelisufleba-

Si dialogis warmarTva, romelic,

imedi maqvs, mogviwevs momaval

parlamentSi. „lelos”

fiqria CixraZe:

aqvs pretenzia, hqondes imxela

Zala da imdeni mandati, rom man

ukarnaxos yvelas politikuri

procesis warmarTvisa da qveynis

marTvis pirobebi.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom „le-

los” mizani mojadoebuli

wris garRveva. bolo wlebis

ganmavlobaSi araerTi partia

gvinaxavs am mizniT mosuli,

Tumca maTi mcdelobebi krax-

iT sruldeboda. ra berketi

aqvs „lelos” am wris gasarRve-

vad im partiebisgan gansxvave-

biT, romlebic ecadnen, magram

ver SeZles?

_ „leloSi” sul ramdenime

adamiani varT politikuri begraundiTa

da gamocdilebiT.

danarCeni modis politikisTvis

sasicocxlod mniSvnelovani

sxvadasxva sferodan. isini ara

`lelos~ aqvs pretenzia, iyos mniSvnelovani

aqtori da dialogis mTavari ganmapirobebeli

im sakiTxSi, rasac hqvia koaliciur

xelisuflebaSi dialogis warmarTva, romelic,

imedi maqvs, mogviwevs momaval parlamentSi.

`lelos~ aqvs pretenzia, hqondes imxela Zala

da imdeni mandati, rom man ukarnaxos yvelas

politikuri procesis warmarTvisa da qveynis

marTvis pirobebi~

`lelos~

umTavresi

amocana

`qarTuli

ocnebis~

xelisuflebidan

wasvlaa~

mxolod profesionalebi arian,

aramed politikuri kuTxiT xedaven,

ra aris am mimarTulebeb-

Si saWiro da gasakeTebeli. isini

arian TavianTi sferos politikosebi.

Cven xalxTan Sexvedrebis

dros yovelTvis vgrZnobT

amas. marTalia, kovid-19-

ma am kuTxiT Zalian SegvzRuda,

magram pandemiis periodSic

ki, Caketilobisa da onlain

muSaobis dros, Cveni wevrebisa

da mxardamWerebis saocari

zrda iyo, axla _ miT umetes.

Cveni partia xalxTan urTier-

Tobis formebsac ki absoluturad

cvlis da Zalian bevr

adgilas dainaxavT „lelos”

atributikiT aRWurvil axalgazrda

adamianebs, romlebic

dadian da xalxs esaubrebian

„lelos” saxeliT. eseni ar arian

koordinatorebi, romlebic

ase cnobilia qarTuli sazogadoebisTvis

mTeli amdeni wlis

ganmavlobaSi, romlebic ubralod

xmis mobilizebaze arian

orientirebulebi. ase rom, bevri

siaxle Semogvaqvs am procesSi.

„saerTaSoriso gamWirvalobis”

bolo kvlevis Tanaxmad,

qarTvel amomrCevels siaxle

Zalian unda, magram siaxlesTan

erTad man unda dainaxos

energetika da rwmena imisa,

rom politikur partias Seu-

Zlia, erTi mxriv, xelisuflebaSi

mosvla, Zalauflebis aReba

da meore mxriv, problemebis

gadawyveta. es yvelaferi kompleqsuradaa

„leloSi”. imedi

gvaqvs, Zalian gagulagrilebul,

wlebis ganmavlobaSi xel-

Caqneul adamianebs wamoviyvanT

„lelos” sasargeblod, maT Soris,

imedi gvaqvs, „lelos” sasargeblod

wamova is xalxi, vinc

„qarTul ocnebas”, rogorc cvlilebas,

mxars uWerda 2020

wels da romelic Semdgom

Zalian imedgacruebuli darCa.

_ Tqveni gancxadebiT, „lelo”

axal saxeebze, axalgazrdebze

akeTebs aqcents, geT-

anxmebiT, rom sazogadoebis

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mniSvnelovan process daudes saTave~

dakveTac axali saxeebia, magram

es xom ar moicavs garkv-

eul riskebs im kuTxiT, rom

sazogadoeba maT ar icnobs da

naklebad endoba?

_ riskze ufro gamowvevaa da

diax, arsebobs es gamowveva.

qarTveli amomrCeveli ukve

icnobs Zalian bevr politikoss

da maTgan raime siaxlis, gansxvavebuli

qmedebis molodini

aRar aqvs. Cven ar vekuTvniT im

kategorias, romelic ambobs,

rom absoluturad mTeli politikuri

speqtri erTi xelis

mosmiT unda gamoicvalos. saWiroa

politikuri brZolis gamocdileba,

rac Zalian bevr adamians

aqvs qarTul politika-

Si, sxva politikuri Zalebic

savsea aseTi adamianebiT. „lelos”

mTavari maxasiaTebeli

swored is iqneba, rom mas Semoaqvs

siaxle da es siaxle sasicocxlod

mniSvnelovania.

Tqven TqviT, rom cnobadobis

sakiTxi xom ar SeuZlis xels

ndobis kuTxiTo. imdenad saintereso

xalxia, ar ifiqroT,

rom axla mxolod imaT vgulisxmob,

vinc axlad Semosulia

politikaSi da met-naklebad

icis sazogadoebam. Zalian mniSvnelovnad

mimaCnda yovelTvis

am xalxis politikaSi Semosvla,

ana nacvliSvili iqneba Tu kaxa

koJoriZe, amaT garda me

vgulisxmob naklebi cnobadobis

adamianebs, romlebmac

TavianT sferoebSi seriozul

warmatebebs miaRwies da dRes

mzad arian, qveynisTvis iSromon

politikaSi.

_ kidev erTi Tema, romel-

sac „lelosTan” dakavSirebiT

xSirad ganixilaven, es aris am

partiis damfuZneblebis saqmi-

anoba da politikaSi maTi

CarTvis motivi. Cven araerTi

biznesmeni gvinaxavs politika-

Si, Sesabamisad, sazogadoebaSi

aris ganwyoba, rom politika-

Si biznesmeni sakuTari bizne-

sis dasacavad modis. is, rom

„lelos” liderebi da damfuZneblebi

(xazaraZe-ja-

fariZe) arian biznesmenebi, es

faqtori xom ar imoqmedebs

xalxis ndobis mopovebis naw-

ilSi uaryofiTad?

_ sworedac rom TavianTi

biznesis dasacavad ar mosulan

isini politikaSi da is rTuli

istoriebi, romelic bolo or

weliwadSi datrialda, sapirispiroze

metyvelebs. es adamianebi

saqarTveloSi Zalian bevri

pozitiuri biznesproeqtis

Semoqmedebi arian. es ar aris

mxolod „Tibisi banki”, romelic

TavisTavad Zalian mniSvnelovani

struqtura gaxlavT,

finansuri mdgradobisa da

ekonomikuri ganviTarebisTvis.

„lelos” damfuZneblebma uamravi,

aTeul aTasobiT samuSao

adgili Seqmnes saqarTveloSi

sxvadasxva proeqtSi. merwmuneT,

biznesmenebisTvis Cvennair

qveynebSi, sadac sruli Tavisufleba

ar aris, bevrad ufro

komfortulia xelisuflebasTan

urTierTgagebis mopoveba da

xelisuflebis survilebis Sesrulebis

navSi jdoma da amiT

sakuTari biznesis dacva, xel-

Seuxeblobis garantiebis miReba.

Tqven iciT, rom „lelos”

damfuZneblebma am brZolaSi

yvelaferi sasworze dades, rac

daiwyo anakliis proeqtiT. ubralod,

maT martivad SeeZloT

eTqvaT, am proeqtis ganxorcieleba

ar unda saxelmwifos

da Cven sxva saqmeebs mivxedav-

To. arada, sxva saqmeebi Zalian

bevri aqvT. anakliis porti mere

ufro gamoCnda, rodesac

Cveni saerTaSoriso partniorebis

Zalian aqtiuri gamoxmaurebebi

daiwyo amis Taobaze da

roca yvela keTilmosurne gveubneboda:

anakliis porti aris

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`yvelaferi gamomdinareobs iqidan, rom `lelo~ aris Zala, romelic axlad

Seqmnilia da misi Seqmnis mTavari mamoZravebeli gaxlavT: qveyanaSi

politikuri procesebis ganaxleba da, amavdroulad, im mojadoebuli wris

seriozuli garRveva, rasac orpolusian velSi mTeli qarTuli politikis

Caketva hqvia da ramac, bolo aTwleulis ganmavlobaSi, mniSvnelovnad

daaziana qarTuli politika~

is, ramac sruliad axali ekonomikuri

SesaZleblobebi unda

gaxsnas saqarTvelosTvis, im

qveynisTvis, romelsac Zalian

uWirs investiciebis mozidva,

axali samuSao adgilebis Seqmna.

axali mizidulobis Zalis

centris gaCena sasicocxlod

mniSvnelovania da anakliis

porti pirdapir ganapirobebda

amas, am yvelaferze Cvenma xelisuflebam

uari Tqva. amis

mizezi SeiZleba iyos an piradi

axirebebi, an kidev meore, ufro

sarwmuno da samwuxaro versia,

rom anakliis proeqtis ganxorcieleba

ar awyobda im qveyanas,

romelsac saqarTvelos fexze

dadgoma, gaZliereba aranairad

ar surs da es qveyana aris

ruseTi. aqedan gamomdinare, xe-

`lelos~ damfuZneblebma uamravi, aTeul

aTasobiT samuSao adgili Seqmnes saqarTveloSi

sxvadasxva proeqtSi. merwmuneT,

biznesmenebisTvis Cvennair qveynebSi, sadac

sruli Tavisufleba ar aris, bevrad ufro

komfortulia xelisuflebasTan

urTierTgagebis mopoveba da xelisuflebis

survilebis Sesrulebis navSi jdoma da amiT

sakuTari biznesis dacva, xelSeuxeblobis

garantiebis miReba. Tqven iciT, rom `lelos~

damfuZneblebma am brZolaSi yvelaferi

sasworze dades, rac daiwyo anakliis proeqtiT~

lisufleba pirdapir ruseTis

samsaxurSi Cadga, rodesac aseT

umagres perspeqtivaze uTxra

uari saqarTvelos momavals.

swored aman ganapiroba „lelos”

damfuZneblebis aqtiuri

CarTva politikur procesebSi.

Zalian madlieri var maTi imisTvis,

rom es energetika da

SesaZlebloba gaaCines, _ dRes

Cven alternatiuli, mZlavri

Zalis Seqmnaze vsaubrobT,

romelic SemdgomSi waadgeba

qarTul politikas, ekonimikas

da saerTod qarTuli saxelmwifos

ara mxolod mdgradobas,

aramed mimzidvelobasac. aqaurobas

aqcevs seriozul, saer-

TaSoriso moTamaSed, rasac

nel-nela vakldebiT da vSordebiT.

ase rom, is tradiciuli

kliSe, rom biznesmeni SesaZloa,

Tavis komforts eZebdes xelisuflebaSi,

Seusabamoa. am

komfortis Zebnis sruliad

sxva meTodebi da gzebi viciT

Cven, amdeni wlis ganmavlobaSi

rasac vxedavdiT. miuxedavad

imisa, rom biznesmenebis udidesi

nawili ar aris kmayofili

dRevandeli viTarebiT, isini

mainc Cumad yofnas amjobineben,

raTa sakuTari biznesi

daicvan agresiisa da usamarTlo

Semotevebisgan. mamuka xazaraZem

da badri jafariZem sapirispiro

nabiji gadadges da

Zalian mniSvnelovan process

daudes saTave.

_ Tu koaliciuri mTavrobis

dakompleqteba gaxda saWiro,

„lelo” „qarTul ocnebasTan”

koaliciaSi Seva?

_ Cven ar veTanxmebiT sakiTxis

ase dayenebas, radgan esec

erTgvari kliSea. aseT SemTxvevaSi

vambobT, rom apriori

„qarTuli ocnebaa” mogebuli

da gadis pirvel adgilze. SemiZlia

Tamamad giTxraT, rom

rogorc ki „qarTuli ocneba”

ver daagrovebs xmebis saWiro

raodenobas umravlesobis

Sesaqmnelad da es udavod ase

moxdeba 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebze, merwmuneT, aseT

SemTxvevaSi is ar aris partia

da ver SeZlebs koaliciur

urTierTobebze saubars. „qar-

Tul ocnebaSi” vin vis daaswrebs

navidan gadaxtomas, amis

momswreebi da mnaxvelebi Cven

viqnebiT, saWiroebis SemTxveva-

Si es adamianebi aqeT gaxdebian

saZebrebi, aqedan gamomdinare,

„lelos” miaCnia, rom TviTon

unda iyos mTavari Zala, romelic

daakompleqtebs momaval

koaliciur mTavrobas. is gaxsnili

iqneba urTierTobisTvis

yvelasTan imis mixedviT, Tu vin

rogor miiRebs Cvens programas.

Cven rom anakliis portis mSeneblobas

aucileblad ganvaaxlebT,

amaSi aravis unda Seeparos

eWvi. Tu „qarTuli ocnebis”

jgufebi an calkeuli adamianebi

„uceb” gamoicvlian Tavis

pozicias da ityvian, rom im

periodSi Zalian SeeSalaT da

axla fiqroben, anakliis porti

aucileblad asaSenebelia, merwmuneT,

es asec iqneba da am

xalxTanac SeiZleba TanamSromloba.

ufro mwyobri Tanam-

Sromloba ki SesaZlebelia

politikur subieqtebTan, maT

Soris, patara da did jgufebTanac.

ar mimaCnia dRes raime

konturis an Sedegis momcemad

imaze saubari, Tu visTan iqneba

koalicia. mTavaria, Cven mivaRwioT

imas, rom 2020 wlis

arCevnebma uzrunvelyos is,

rom erT romelime politikur

Zalas aRar hqondes gadamwyveti

umravlesoba. merwmuneT,

sxva danarCeni yvelaferi saqarTvelos

keTildReobisken iqneba

mimarTuli. imitom ki ara,

rom politikuri Zalebi, Sei-

Zleba, TavisTavad varskvlavebs

krefdnen an ar krefdnen, aramed

imitom, rom TavisTavad dialogi

da koaliciuroba iqneba

maiZulebeli imisa, rom dRes

erTmaneTs mtrebs rom eZaxian

da erTmaneTis danaxva ar undaT,

xval iZulebulebi gaxdebian,

erTmaneTTan saubari daiwyon.

swored es aris mravalpartiulobis

xibli, es aris is,

rac saqarTvelos ar gamoucdia

da darwmunebulebi varT, „lelos”

gareSe es verc ganxorcieldeba

_ Tu ara „lelo”,

rogorc dominanti, Cven isev

miviRebT imave viTarebas, rom

mtruli politikuri Zalebi

erTmaneTs mxolod daWamen da

saqarTvelo win ver wava.

_ ra etapzea „leloSi” ma-

Joritari kandidatebis SerCe-

vis procesi da moiazrebiT Tu

ara Tqven maJoritar kandi-

datad?

_ es procesi aqtiurad midis,

ganixileba kandidatebi.

gvaqvs kidev erTi Zalian saintereso

SeTavazeba, romlis

winaswar Tqmac, am wuTSi, ar SemiZlia.

Tuki saWiroeba moiTxovs,

yvelani mzad varT frontis

xazze gasasvlelad. maJoritarebi

viqnebiT Tu ara, frontis

xazze mainc davdgebiT. saboloo

gadawyvetilebebi, jerjerobiT,

wertildasmuli ar

aris.

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marTalia, „demokratiulma moZraobam” maJoritarul

paeqrobaze uari ganacxada, magram „qronika+”-is informaci-

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aseve, SesaZloa, moulodneli

iyos is informaciac, romelsac

„demokratiuli

moZraobis”

erT-erTi xelmZRvaneli, gigla

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imis albaTobas uSvebs, rom

qveynis erT-erT regionSi bur-

janaZis partiam maJoritarobis

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_ Zalian kargad.

_ ar geSinodaT?

_ ara, radgan yvela miTiTebas

vicavdi, Tan fexiT siaruli

miyvars, carieli quCebi iyo da

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statiebs vwerdi da amaze meti

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_ am mxriv pandemia adami-

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arsebobs mosazreba, rom korona

saqarTveloSi, garkveul-

wilad, politikuri mdgeneli

gaxda, anu es „momakvdinebeli

virusi” „ocnebis” mTavar moka-

vSired iqca, miT umetes, arC-

evnebis win. am versiaze ras fi-

qrobT?

_ udavod, asea. Cveni xelisufleba

„samedicino samebas” amoefara

da erTi suli hqonda, sagangebo

mdgomareoba gaegr-

Zelebina. sxvaTa Soris, rom

dasWirdes, axlac araa gamoricxuli,

pandemia Tu epidemia isev

moimizezos. is, rac saubris

dasawyisSi giTxariT, xumrobiT

vTqvi, Torem, realurad, uamravi

problema Segviqmnes.

_ mainc?

_ magaliTad, quCaSi gamosvla

agvikrZales. samsaxurebze rom

aRaraferi vTqva, moxuc mSoblebTan

misvlis problemac Segviqmnes,

rasac finansuri sirTuleebic

daemata da es maSin, roca

„ocnebis” favoritebi _ farcxalaZidan

dawyebuli sxvebiT

damTavrebuli, daStriginebdnen!

saSvebiT „ocnebis” wevrebis

Svilebis megobrebis biZaSvilis

sayvarelebi dadiodnen. mokled,

yvelaferi es TviTon dedis rZesaviT

Seirges, Cven ki, lamis,

sunTqvac agvikrZales. imaze

aRarafers vambob, rom verc antikrizisuli

gegma SeimuSaves da

arc danapirebi Seasrules.

_ ra danapirebs gulisxmobT,

batono gigla?

_ ai, TviTdasaqmebulebisTvis

daxmarebebis gacema axla daiw-

yes, anu undaT, rom rogorme

arCevnebs miusadagon. erTi sityviT,

eSmakoben. xom iciT, Tu-

TaSxiaSi romaa, eSmakob, qiriao.

zustad ase eSmakobda Cveni premier-ministri,

roca raRac sakiTxebze

laparakobda. or magaliTs

mogiyvanT.

_ ki batono, gismenT.

_ gaiZaxoda, mSeneblobebis

dawyebis uflebas mivcemT Tavso.

es eSmakoba da tyuili iyo.

_ ratom?

_ prestiJul ubnebSi mravalsarTulian

saxlebSi binebis 90%

„ocnebis” warmomadgenlebs aqvT

SeZenili, mSeneblebi ki „ocnebis”

Semomwirvelebi arian.

_ amiT risi Tqma gindaT?

_ aseTi mSeneblobebi erTi

dRiTac ar SeCerebula. ai, magaliTad,

barnovis pirvel nomerSi,

mTawmindaze, pekinze,

gagarinze, orTaWalaSi, avlabarsa

Tu tverelis eklesiis mimdebared

gaqanebuli mSenebloba

midioda. am fonze premieri

gveubneba, erT kviraSi brZanebas

gavcem da mSeneblobebis ganaxlebis

ufleba geqnebaTo.

rac Seexeba meore tyuils,

parlamentSi rom miiyvanes da

filosofosobda, Tu rame ioli

kiTxva iyo, pasuxobda, magram

roca pasuxi uWirda, maSinve „nacionalebs”

iSveliebda, ai, „nacionalebio”.

ise ar gaigoT, rom „nacionalebs”

TiTqos veqilad vudgebi,

magram zustad maSin, roca „nacionalebs”

xels uqnevda, „nacionalebis”

erT-erT aqtiur

wevrs gaxarias gundi iusticiis

sabWoSi mosamarTled amtkicebda.

farisevlebi da yalbebi

swored amitom arian!

_ batono gigla, raki sityva

yofil xelisuflebaze Camovarda,

Tqveni partiis lideris Svi-

lis sityvebs gagaxsenebT, anu

ramdenime dRis win anzor biwaZem

ganacxada, rogor SeiZleba,

Cven „nacmoZraobis” opozicia

viyoTo, amasTan, e. w. lei-

boristebis magidasTan Tqveni

partia „nacebis” gverdiT zis.

hoda, Tu burjanaZes „naciona-

lebis” gverdiT yofnis ufleba

aqvs, es ufleba igive „ocnebas”

vin CamoarTva?

_ jer erTi, Cven araferi

dagvviwyebia da yvelaferi viciT.

meorec, es sityvebi televiziiT

ar gaiSala, Torem am SemTxvevaSi

Cven erT-erTi pirvelebi

viyaviT, vinc sakonstitucio da

saarCevno kodeqsis cvlilebebis

moTxovna davayeneT, anu im

magidasTan erTad swored am sakiTxSi

varT da am kuTxiT iTqva,

maTi opozicionerebi ar viqnebi-

To. mTeli opozicia cdilobs,

rom es didi sakiTxi bolomde miiyvanos

da amaSi mTeli saerTa-

Soriso Tanamegobroba gviWers

mxars. mokled, is sityvebi am

konteqstSi iTqva, Torem Cvensa

da „nacionalebs”, Cvensa da

„evropul saqarTvelosa” Tu

`premierad nino

sxva partiebs Soris sxvaoba ca

da dedamiwasaviTaa.

_ SeiZleba, magram arsebobs

versia, rom opoziciis gaer-

Tianebul magidasTan Tqveni

partia „evropulma saqarTvel-

om” miiyvana. amaze ras ityviT?

_ „evropul saqarTvelos”

Cven iq misvlas an armisvlas vin

hkiTxavda? yvelas mimarT diplomatiur

etikets davicav, magram

aravis vkiTxavT, sad mivalT

da saidan wamovalT. iq erTi ideis

gamo mivediT. sxvaTa Soris, 20

ivnisis ambebis Semdegac aravis

vkiTxeT, roca rusTavelze mivediT.

gaiZaxian, ratom mividneno,

magram ra, rusTaveli vinmem

vinmes aCuqa? „ocnebas” rusTaveli,

mgoni, jer ar gauyidia da

rusTavelis gayidva verc „nacionalebma”

moaswres. iq imitom

mivediT, rom is moZraoba dawyebuliyo,

romelic 8 martis SeT-

gigla baramiZe:

`Tu qveyana

gadairia da

isev `nacebsa~ da

`qocebs~ misca

xma, daRupulebi

varT!~

anxmebamde migviyvanda.

_ SarSandeli 20 ivnisis mov-

lenebis dros rusTavelze

Tqvenma misvlam kiTxvis niSnebi

imitom gaaCina, rom „demokratiuli

moZraoba” prorusul Zalad

miiCneva. maSin ki xalxi anti-

saokupacio aqciebs marTavda.

_ sxvebi miiCneven, Torem Cven

ase ar vfiqrobT. iyo periodebi

da, albaT, momavalSic iqneba,

roca iq ar verTvebodiT da ar

CaverTvebiT, sadac sxva opoziciuri

partiebis didi nawili

ikribeboda. Cven Soris Tvisobrivad

didi gansxvavebaa. yvelafers

Tavi rom davaneboT,

2011 wlis 26 maiss iciT, zogi

rogorc mogveqca, magram mas Semdeg,

rac gaCnda idea, rom erTi

sakiTxis garSemo davmsxdariyaviT

da matyuara da gadamgdebi

xelisufleba gveiZulebina, ma-

Joritaruli sistema gauqmebu-

`gvinda, rom romelime partias arCevnebi

saerTo ZalebiT ar gavayalbebinoT. nino

burjanaZe am Sexvedras ki eswreboda, magram

ar uTqvams, rom Cvens kandidaturas ar

davayenebT an yvela kandidats xmas mivcemT.

arCevnebis mimdinareobisas gamoCndeba~

liyo da arCevnebi mxolod proporciulad

Catarebuliyo, am

kompromisze wavediT.

didi gadagdeb-gadmogdebis

miuxedavad, am sakiTxis 80%,

praqtikulad, movagvareT. amitom

Cveni politikuri Zala amomrCevlis

winaSe absoluturad

pirnaTelia. Tumca piradad me da

partiis lideric iZulebuli

gavxdiT, piradi simpaTia-antipa-

Tia droebiT dagveTrguna. es

Zalian mZime iyo, magram gavake-

TeT!

_ gasagebia, rom saerTo

saqmisTvis pirad simpaTia-anti-

paTiaze uari TqviT da isic

gasagebia, partiis saarCevno ka-

mpanias nino burjanaZem rom

unda uxelmZRvanelos. man ma-

Joritarobaze uari am mizeziT

Tqva, magram...

_ maJoritarebis dayenebas

maincdamainc arc vapirebT.

_ es Temac ganvavrcoT, Tumca

manamde miTxariT: „demokratiul

moZraobas” ar hqonda am-

bicia, rom Tbilisis romelime

olqSi

maJoritarobisTvis

ebrZola?

_ Tbilisis or raionSi kandidati

ar dasaxelebula da orivegan

gansxvavebuli warmomadgenlebi

iqnebian, Tumca weRandeli

Tqmisa ar iyos, es moZraoba

Tavidanve imitom daiwyo, rom

maJoritaruli sistema rogorme

gagveuqmebina.

_ nawilobriv ki gauqmda, magram

momaval parlamentSi 30 ma-

Joritari mainc iqneba.

_ diax da Cveni amocanaa, ma-

Joritaruli olqebi xelisuflebis

an opoziciis erTi romelime

partiis xelSi ar iyos. yvelaferi

swored aqeTken midis,

„nacionalebmac” da sxvebma TbilisSi

sul ori kandidati warmoadgines.

mokled, es mizanic

miRweulia, Tan isic gaviTvaliswineT,

rom finansurad Zalian

SezRudulebi varT da mravali

mimarTulebiT ver gavifantebiT.

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burjanaZes warvadgenT!~

Cveni amosavali wertili da mizani

partiuli siebia.

_ keTili, magram piradad me,

mgonia, rom maJoritarobis er-

Tiani kandidatebi opozici-

isTvis wamgebiania, anu ukeTesi

iqneboda, ama Tu im olqSi amomrCevels

meti arCevanis saSu-

aleba hqonoda da amiT saqme,

minimum, meore turamde misuliyo.

axla ki adamianebs arCev-

nis gakeTeba isev „qocebsa” da

nacebs” Soris mouwevT, rac

opoziciisTvis mTlad momgebiani

ar unda iyos. ar meTanxme-

biT?

_ asec gamodis.

_ rogor ase?

_ opoziciis erTiani kandidatebi

ki hqviaT, magram iq yvela

gansxvavebuli partiaa. saer-

Tod, „gaerTianebuli” araswori

naTqvamia.

_ ratom?

_ opozicia gaerTianebuli

erTi sakiTxis garSemoa da es

sakonstitucio cvlilebebia.

_ diax, magram igive Tbilis-

Si opoziciis maJoritarebis

kandidatebis wardgenamde gamarTul

Sexvedras nino burjan-

aZe eswreboda.

_ getyviT, oRond azri ar

gamawyvetinoT.

_ gismenT.

_ gvinda, rom romelime partias

arCevnebi saerTo ZalebiT

ar gavayalbebinoT. nino burjanaZe

am Sexvedras ki eswreboda,

magram ar uTqvams, rom Cvens kandidaturas

ar davayenebT an yvela

kandidats xmas mivcemT. ar-

Cevnebis mimdinareobisas gamoCndeba.

_ ra gamoCndeba?

_ zogs xmas mivcemT, zogs _

ara.

_ TbilisSi dasaxelebuli

maJoritarebis kandidatebidan

„demokratiuli moZraoba” vis

ar miscems xmas?

_ es Sidapartiuli samuSaoa

da roca gadavwyvetT, Cvens amomrCevels

ecodineba, vis unda

misces xma, vis _ ara an, ubralod,

Tavi Seikavos.

_ batono gigla, samcxe-jav-

axeTSi muSaobis didi gamocd-

ileba da, amasTan, avtoritet-

ic gaqvT. hoda, maJoritarobis

kandidati am mxareSi xom ar

iqnebiT?

_ SemoTavazeba iqidanac mqonda

da Tbilisidanac, anu partiebidan

_ ara. sazogadoebam Zalian

mTxova, magram gadavwyviteT, ma-

Joritarobis Sesaxeb mTel rig

sqemebs averidoT, radgan amdeni

resursi ar gagvaCnia. rogorc

giTxariT, mTel yuradRebas partiul

siebze gadavitanT. gamonaklisi

SeiZleba, erTi regioni

iyos, oRond axla nu momTxovT

davasaxelo, romel regions

vgulisxmob.

_ SeiZleba, nino burjanaZem

maJoritarad quTaisSi iyaros

kenWi an iqidan gamomdinare, rom

Tqvens partias aWaraSi SedarebiT

meti mxardamWeri hyavs, ma-

Joritarobis kandidati iq

waradginoT, ara?

`evropul saqarTvelos~ Cven iq misvlas an armisvlas vin hkiTxavda? yvelas

mimarT diplomatiur etikets davicav, magram aravis vkiTxavT, sad mivalT

da saidan wamovalT. iq erTi ideis gamo mivediT. sxvaTa Soris, 20 ivnisis

ambebis Semdegac aravis vkiTxeT, roca rusTavelze mivediT. gaiZaxian, ratom

mividneno, magram ra, rusTaveli vinmem vinmes aCuqa?~

_ ara, ara... am regionze axla

vmsjelobT da Tu gadavwyvetT,

iq metoqes, „ocnebis” garda, veravin

dagviyenebs!

_ dasaxelebas ar gTxovT,

magram am „iqs” regions upirate-

sobas ratom aniWebT?

_ imitom, rom raRacebi amotivtivdeba

da erovnuli poziciidan

gamomdinare, Cveni kandidatis

dasaxeleba SeiZleba,

saWiro iyos...

_ batono gigla, kidev erT

Temas Sevexebi, romelic, pirdapir

Tu iribad, arCevnebs ukav-

Sirdeba: giorgi axvledianis e.

w. skandalze bevri iTqva, magram

kuluaruli informaciiT, kv-

lav gasajarovdeba sia, sadac

„demokratiuli

moZraobis”

kidev erTi wevri „ocnebis” fa-

sian e. w. gare eqspertad iqneba

dasaxelebuli.

_ „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi,

lamis, Cvens xelSia mosuli.

_ anu?

_ 26 maiss vgulisxmob, magram

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Cven dagvazarala _ Tanxebi,

praqtikulad, gagviyo, anu sasamarTlos

meSveobiT Cveni Tanxebi

Camogvawera da sxva partias

gadasca.

_ „qristian-demokratebis”

sarCels gulisxmobT, ara?

_ diax, yriloba swori ar

iyoo da raRac zRaprebs miedmoednen.

arada, am yrilobas 300

delegati eswreboda. saboloo

jamSi, is kapikebic Camogvawera,

rac gvqonda da imaT misca. mokled,

xelisuflebas yvelaze

metad Cven vakritikebT da yvelaze

dazaralebulebic Cven

varT. erTaderTi, „nacionalebi”

ar iyvnen, Torem danarCeni yvela

partia, 2012 wlidan, „qarTul

ocnebasTan” TanamSromlobda.

_ erTi sityviT, gamoricxavT,

rom axvledianis, ase vTqvaT,

bedi romelime Tqvenma par-

tielmac gaiziaros?

_ diax, asi procentiT gamovricxav!

_ ise, batono gigla, arCevnebi

xval rom Catardes, gamar-

jvebis Sansi „ocnebas” ufro

eqneba Tu _ opozicias?

_ amis Tqma Zalian rTulia.

albaT, 50X50-ze. an opozicias

SeiZleba, cota meti.

_ sxvaTa Soris, erT-erTi

`rogorc `cianidis saqme~ aziles xelisuflebis

utvinobiT, `gabunias SesaZlo likvidaciasac~

ase azelen. ar gamovricxav, rom gabunias

raRac emuqreba da frTxilad unda iyos da

dacva sWirdeba, Tumca arc imas uarvyof, rom

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sxva masStabiTa da profesionalizmiT

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frTxilad unda iyos da dacva

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_ putini, mgoni, uaressac

imsaxurebs!

_ mniSvneloba ar aqvs, Cingiz

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dawvams, arc _ Samfurs da

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isev raRacas mikib-mokibavs da

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`dRes bokeriasa da `nacionalebTan~ nebismier

ramdenime dRis win poli-

giorgi abaSiZe

tikuri elita yofili deputatis,

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da:

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xelisuflebaSi, Zalian bevri adamiani fiqrobs ase”.

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_ amis gasarkvevad „qronika+~

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neT?

_ Zalian Cveulebrivad. marto

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buli iyo da koropanika didi

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fonze, xval rom arCevnebi

Catardes, upiratesoba xelisu-

flebas eqneba Tu opozicias?

_ saerTod, omi, pandemia Tu

sxva katastrofa mosaxleobas xelisuflebaze

damokidebuls xdis

da Sesabamisad, xelisuflebas

qulebs matebs, anu gvinda Tu ara,

am dros ndobis faqtori izrdeba

da Tu xelisuflebisgan imedis

gacrueba ar wamovida, misi reitingi

iwevs. Sesabamisad, saqarTve-

los xelisuflebis reitingic

gaizarda, ufro sworad, amas

mTel xelisuflebaze ver vityvi.

yvelafer amaSi gaxaria da garkveuli

jgufi iyo CarTuli, Tumca

is etapic dadga, roca eqimebis

mimarT agresia gaCnda.

_ eqimebisadmi agresia rodis

gaCnda?

_ ai, roca gviTxres, kuboebi

iqnebao, Tan es iseT udides

dResaswauls daemTxva, rogoric

aRdgomaa. saerTod, adamiani zedmetad

arasodes unda SeaSino. im

dReebSi vTqvi: eqimi, gansakuTrebiT

im asakSi, romelSic axla var,

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aqvs imis unari, sakuTari emociebi

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gamomdinare, erTgvari agresia

dagrovda, Tumca es premiersa

da im saxelisuflebo gundze,

romelic antikrizisul politikas

atarebda, naklebad aisaxa.

_ sxvaTa Soris, sazogadoebis

did nawils meore talRis,

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tikuri cxovrebac gamococxlda

da adamianebma politskandale-

bze gadaitanes yuradReba. ise,

qalbatono xaTuna, Tqven erT-

erTi pirveli iyaviT, romelic

mudmivad yofili xelisuflebis

SesaZlo revanSze saubrobdiT da

imasac uSvebdiT, rom „ocnebasa”

da „evropul saqarTvelos” Sor-

is SesaZloa, garkveuli garigeba

yofiliyo. es mosazreba axla

ufro sicocxlisunariania, radgan

bokerias gundma sakonstitucio

cvlilebebisTvis mxardaW-

era gadawyvita da es maSin, roca

danarCeni opozicia 8 martis

SeTanxmebis yvela punqtis Sesrulebas,

e. i., ruruas ganTavisu-

flebas iTxovs.

_ iqidan daviwyoT, rom politikuri

cxovreba „ocnebis”

garkveulma liderebma cota adre

gaaaqtiures.

_ anu?

_ mTeli pandemiis ganmavloba-

Si gancxadebebs akeTebdnen pre-

xaTuna xoferia:

`ocnebaSi~ arian

personebi,

romlebmac

qveynis sazianod

Secdomebi

dauSves da maT

amomrCeveli

mxars ver

dauWers!~

mieri, jandacvis ministri da

eqimebi, anu mTlianad am TemiT

viyaviT moculi. mere yvelafer

amas parlamentis wevrebi daematnen,

romelTac am procesSi monawileoba

ar miuRiaT.

_ dimitri xundaZes gulisx-

mobT?

_ mxolod xundaZes ara. ai, magaliTad,

mdinaraZis ramdenime

gamosvla iyo, kobaxiZec gamovida,

Tumca ver gaigebdi, xelisuflebas

afasebdnen Tu am gamosvlebs

ra daniSnuleba hqonda. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, vfiqrob, rom maTi

gamosvlebi aravis araferSi

sWirdeboda.

_ amas ratom ambobT?

_ pasuxismgebloba gansazRvruli

gvqonda, anu vicodiT, vis vendobiT

da vis _ ara. mokled, am

adamianebis gamoCenam qveyanaSi

politikuri procesebis gaaqtiureba

da, garkveulwilad, dapirispirebis

waxalisebac gamoiwvia.

swored amas moyva opoziciis

mxridan, me Tu mkiTxavT, sruliad

uadgilod, premieris kandidaturaze

saubari.

_ giorgi vaSaZis garSemo ganviTarebul

movlenebs gulisx-

mobT, ara?

_ diax. saerTod, vaSaZe mTeli

am procesidan amovardnili iyo _

raRac rekomendaciebs gascemda,

raRacebs iTxovda da ixveweboda

da es maSin, roca aravis araferSi

sWirdeboda. sxvaTa Soris, misi

aseTi aqtiuroba opoziciasac ar

sWirdeboda. mokled, vaSaZe hiperaqtiuri

iyo da uceb opoziciisgan

premieris Tema wamovida, anu

iTqva, rom kandidatura unda

SearCion da vaSaZe dasaxelda.

mere bokeriam Tqva, rom premieri

Tavad iqneba. aman opoziciur fr-

TaSi garkveuli dapirispirebac

gamoiwvia, magram iciT, ra xdeba?

_ ra?

_ opoziciidan vinmes premierobaze

ki ara, didi kiTxvis niSania,

procesebs iqamde miuSveben

Tu ara, rom koaliciuri mTavroba

Seiqmnas!

_ qalbatono xaTuna, ratom

gamoricxavT, rom koaliciuri

mTavrobis Seqmna Tavad „ocnebas”

awyobs?

`magaliTad, mdinaraZis ramdenime gamosvla

iyo, kobaxiZec gamovida, Tumca ver gaigebdi,

xelisuflebas afasebdnen Tu am gamosvlebs ra

daniSnuleba hqonda. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

vfiqrob, rom maTi gamosvlebi aravis

araferSi sWirdeboda~

_ amas ar gamovricxav. saer-

Tod, mZime politikuri faqtis

winaSe Zalian bevrjer davdeqiT.

_ konkretulad?

_ opoziciasa da xelisuflebas

Soris molaparakeba ki ara, konsultaciebi

imarTeboda.

_ SeiZleba, magram bolos, yve-

laferi 8 martis SeTanxmebiT

damTavrda.

_ diax da es konsultaciebi

raRac SeTanxmebiT damTavrda,

anu Tavidan naTqvami iyo, rom

konsultaciebi sakonstitucio

cvlilebebze midioda. uceb ki

axali _ politpatimrebis gan-

Tavisuflebis Tema gaCnda. sakonstitucio

cvlilebebi umniSvnelovanesi

sakiTixa da am dros

axali Temis gaCena politikur

kulturaSi ar weria.

_ e. i., „ocnebas” mTel Tu ara,

opoziciis erT frTasTan faru-

li SeTanxmeba hqonda?

_ es ar vici, magram piradad me

faqtis winaSe davdeqi, rom maT es

ar gaaprotestes, anu ar gamovidnen

da saelCoebs ar mimarTes. arada,

viciT, rom am konsultacieb-

Si sxvadasxva qveynis diplomatebi

monawileobdnen. e. w. mediatorebis

jgufic Seiqmna, romelsac

yvelaferi es unda waremarTa.

hoda, roca diplomatebis TandaswrebiT

molaparakebebis formats

gicvlian da axali umZimesi

politikuri sakiTxi SemoaqvT,

valdebuli xar, ucxo qveynis xelmZRvanelebsa

da diplomatebs

mimarTo da gaafrTxilo, am

Temaze molaparakebuli ar viyaviT

da amitom ver gavyvebiTo. rac

mTavaria, unda daefiqsirebinaT

da daesabuTebinaT, rom am qveyanaSi

politpatimrebi ar arian, magram

msgavsi araferi momxdara.

ori mezobeli rom iCxubebs da ver

morigdeba, „Robe aqeT gadmoswie,

Robe iqiT gadaswies” formatSi

Caatares, _ politpatimrebi ara,

isao da CemTvis raRac xelSekrulebas

moaweres xeli.

_ am SemTxvevaSi, mmarTvel

partiaze saubrobT, ara?

_ diax.

_ saboloo jamSi, yvelaferi

iqamde mivida, rom ugulava-

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Temaze molaparakeba saqarTvelos mtrobaa!~

oqruaSvili prezidentma Seiwya-

la.

_ hoi, saocrebav, aRmovCndiT

faqtis winaSe, anu prezidenti

gamodis da ambobs, xelisuflebas

saimisod berketebi ar aqvs, rom

cixidan ori damnaSave ar gamouSvas,

anu prezidentma, Cemi sityvebiT

rom vTqva, gviTxra, saxelmwifos

ver davangrevinebTo. es ki

imas niSnavs, rom Tu cixidan or

damnaSaves ar gamouSveben, Cemi

saxelmwifo SeiZleba, daingres!

amasTan, berketebis arqona imas

niSnavs, rom xelisufleba ori

damnaSavis dasjas ver uzrunvelyofs.

mokled, yvelafer aqedan

gamomdinare, davdeqiT faqtis

winaSe, rom ori adamiani cixidan

quCaSi aRmoCnda da yvela mediatori

am or adamians politpatimrad

miiCnevs, e. i., es imas niSnavs,

rom Cems qveyanas ori politpatimari

hyavs!

_ diax, ase gamodis. sxvaTa

Soris, mixeil saakaSvilze erT-

erTi saqme swored imis gamo

aRZres, rom girgvlianis mkv-

lelobisTvis gasamarTlebulebi

Seiwyala. zogi miiCnevs, rom Sesa-

Zloa, adre Tu gvian, istoria

ganmeordes da uflebamosilebis

gadametebis gamo sisxlis samarTlis

devna salome zurabiS-

vilzec daiwyos.

_ girgvlianis mkvlelebis sakiTxi

politikur molaparakebebze

ar gasula. maTi Sewyaleba, ubralod,

mixeil saakaSvilis „keTili

neba” iyo. sxvaTa Soris, im adamianebs

maSin mTeli sistemuri danaSauli

ahkides da isic viciT,

cixeSi rogor pirobebSi hyavdaT.

mokled, es ori SemTxveva gansxvavebulia

da maT Soris paralels

ver gavavleb, magram faqti,

romelic axla moxda, seriozuli

saxelmwifosTvis cudia! am faqtis

winaSe ki Cemi qveyana mmarTveli

partiis im pirebma daayenes,

romlebic zemoxsenebul molaparakebebSi

monawileobdnen.

_ yvelafer amas samoqalaqo

omze Tqveni cnobili gamonaTq-

vami moyva, anu imis saTqmelad,

Tu arCevnebSi opozicia gaimar-

jvebs, samoqalaqo omi daiwyebao,

sakmarisi argumentebi gaqvT?

_ ara.

_ aba?

_ ise ar unda gaigoT, rom

TiTqos xaTuna xoferia samoqalaqo

oms moiTxovs. iciT, Cemi

es gamoTqma ras moyva?

_ ras?

_ roca qveyanaSi mimdinare

politikuri procesebis logikur

jaWvs mivyvebodi, gamovTqvi

garkveuli eWvi, Tu vdgavarT faqtis

winaSe, rom amxela konstituciuri

molaparakebebis farglebSi

paraleluri molaparakeba

arsebobda, romelmac cixidan

ori adamianis gamoSvebasa da saxelmwifos

Rirsebis Seuracxyofamde

migviyvana, paralelurad,

opozicia premieris kandidaturas

arCevs da sxva Tanamdebobis gadanawilebis

versiebicaa, ar gamovricxav,

„ocnebis” garkveul frTasa

da „evropul saqarTvelos” Soris

koaliciuri mTavrobis Seqmnaze

garkveuli molaparakeba arsebobdes-meTqi,

magram koaliciuri

mTavroba ase ver Seiqmneba.

_ aba, rogor Seiqmneba?

_ „ocnebam” proporciuli siiT

40 procenti ver unda aiRos. amis

gamo iZulebuli gaxdeba, Seqmnas

koaliciuri Zala, romelic

mTavrobas daakompleqtebs, anu

mTavroba, romelic paritetis

safuZvelze dakompleqtdeba, koaliciuri

iqneba, sadac erTi ministri

„nacionalur moZraobasac”

eyoleba, bokeriasac da kidev vi-

Racasac. ai, aseT viTarebaSi

mTavrobis sxdomis Catareba

rogor warmogidgeniaT?

_ albaT, didi „gamiSvi-damiWi”

iqneba, magram roca maxvils „oc-

nebis” garkveul frTaze svamT,

konkretulad, vis gulisxmobT?

_ im adamianebs vgulisxmob,

romlebic am xnis ganmavlobaSi

seriozuli politikuri Secdomebis

daSvebaSi arian SemCneulni.

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`ocnebam~ proporciuli siiT 40 procenti ver unda aiRos. amis gamo

iZulebuli gaxdeba, Seqmnas koaliciuri Zala, romelic mTavrobas

daakompleqtebs, anu mTavroba, romelic paritetis safuZvelze

dakompleqtdeba, koaliciuri iqneba, sadac erTi ministri `nacionalur

moZraobasac~ eyoleba, bokeriasac da kidev viRacasac. ai, aseT viTarebaSi

mTavrobis sxdomis Catareba rogor warmogidgeniaT?~

_ anu kobaxiZe-mdinaraZes?

_ mdinaraZes im doned verc

aRviqvam, Secdomac rom dauSvas,

rame gadawyvitos. vfiqrob, kobaxiZem

seriozuli Secdomebi dauSva.

_ es Secdomebi unebliea Tu

gamiznuli?

_ patara gogo ar var, rom adamians

aseTi ram davabralo da

vTqva, Tavis qveyanas mizanmimarTulad

mtrobs-meTqi.

_ „qveynis mtroba” ra SuaSia?

_ dRes bokeriasa da „nacionalebTan”

nebismier Temaze molaparakeba

saqarTvelos mtrobaa!

yovel SemTxvevaSi, adamianebis

Zalian didi raodenoba swored

ase aRiqvams.

_ SeiZleba, magram isic vTqvaT,

rom „nacionalebsa” da bok-

erias erTmaneTTan, maincdamainc,

`prezidenti gamodis da ambobs, xelisuflebas

saimisod berketebi ar aqvs, rom cixidan ori

damnaSave ar gamouSvas, anu prezidentma, Cemi

sityvebiT rom vTqva, gviTxra, saxelmwifos ver

davangrevinebTo. es ki imas niSnavs, rom Tu

cixidan or damnaSaves ar gamouSveben, Cemi

saxelmwifo SeiZleba, daingres! amasTan,

berketebis arqona imas niSnavs, rom xelisufleba

ori damnaSavis dasjas ver uzrunvelyofs~

kargi urTierToba ar aqvT.

_ amaze didi xania, vsaubrob,

magram meubnebian, TamaSoben, amas

da imas Svrebiano, Tumca amas

TamaSad ver aRviqvam, radgan maT

Soris ganxeTqileba saqarTvelos

doneze ar momxdara.

_ maS, vis doneze moxda?

_ es im procesebidan gamomdinarea,

rac aSS-Si xdeba, anu

neoliberalebisa da trampistebis,

aseve trampisa da baidenis dapirispireba.

aseve viciT trampisa

da sorosis dapirispireba. es adamianebi

ki swored sorosTan arian

dakavSirebulni.

_ yvelafer zemoTqmulidan

gamomdinare, qalbatono xaTuna,

oqtomberSi, anu arCevnebidan,

ras miviRebT?

_ imeds vitoveb, rom mmarTveli

partiis Tavmjdomare Seqmnil

situacias, albaT, realurad

gaaanalizebs da saprezidento

arCevnebidan gamomdinare, mixvdeba,

rom amomrCevlis 32 Tu 37 procenti

piradad mas TvaldaxuWuli

miscems xmas, magram arsebobs

30-32 procenti, romelic Tu

ivaniSvilma garkveuli Secdomebi

ar gaiTvaliswina da sakadro politika

ar Secvala, mas araviTar

SemTxvevaSi ar dauWers mxars!

_ biZina ivaniSvils saamisod

ecleba, roca 13 kongresmenis

moxsenebaSi piradad is saqarT-

veloSi ruseTis interesebis

gamtarebladaa miCneuli, anu

„ocnebis” liders partiulze

metad piradi problemebi aqvs...

_ xom viciT, rom es tyuilia?

_ saidan viciT?

_ am daskvnaze erT-erTma xelmomwerma

kongresmenma gancxadeba

gaakeTa da Tqva, rom es fraza

garkveuli jgufis mieraa „Cakvexebuli”,

anu es Sefaseba am dokumentSi

lobistebma moaxvedres.

sxva Tu araferi, es adamiani,

Tavis politikur ZalasTan er-

Tad, rva welia, xelisuflebaSia,

yvelafer imaze, rac am xnis ganmavlobaSi

moxda, pasuxismgeblobas

iRebs, magram am 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi

saqarTveloSi rusuli

gavlenebi ar yofila!

_ es sakamaTo Temaa, miT

umetes, SarSandeli 20-21 ivnisis

movlenebis fonze...

_ dRes saqarTveloSi rusuli

gavlenebi imaze bevrad naklebia,

vidre saakaSvilis dros iyo da es

investiciebisa Tu strategiuli

obieqtebis xelSi Cagdebis doneze

viciT, anu axla ruseTis sasargeblod

imis meaTedi araa gakeTebuli,

rasac saakaSvili da misi xelisufleba

akeTebdnen! sxvaTa

Soris, Tu msoflio rukas gadavxedavT,

yvelafer amaSi ruseTi

iseTi aqtiuri moTamaSe araa, rom

vifiqroT, misi faqtori rames

gadawyvets. dRes yvelaferi aSS-

Si da misi prezidentis arCevis

konteqstSi wydeba.

_ qalbatono xaTuna, Cveni

saubris reziume gavakeToT da

vTqvaT: xelisufleba ufro didi

dilemis winaSe dgas Tu opozi-

cia?

_ vfiqrob, rom 50X50-ze arian

da orives erTnairi „politikuri

gasaWiri” aqvs, anu mmarTvel

Zalasa da opoziciis SigniTac,

ZalTa gadanawilebasTan erTad,

amomrCevlis problemacaa. simar-

Tle rom vTqvaT, amomrCeveli

mxolod mixeil saakaSvilis arsebobs.

„evropul saqarTvelos” ki

mizeruli amomrCeveli hyavs,

romelic am arCevnebSi veranair

rols ver iTamaSebs. „qarTul ocnebaSic”

analogiuri viTarebaa,

anu „ocnebas”, ufro sworad, biZina

ivaniSvils, stabiluri amomrCeveli

hyavs, romlis ricxvic

ivaniSvil-gaxarias duetma ufro

gazarda, magram am amomrCevlis

Zalian didi nawili imas uyurebs,

qveda doneebze kadrebis SerCeva

rogor moxdeba _ „ocnebaSi” vin

darCeba da vis gauSveben. iq arian

garkveuli personebi, romlebmac

Cveni qveynis sazianod bevri Secdoma

dauSves da am adamianebs

amomrCeveli mxars ver dauWers!

sxvaTa Soris, yvela interviu-

Si vambob: miuxedavad imisa, rom

biZina ivaniSvilis momxre var,

Zalian gamiWirdeba mxardaWera,

Tu mecodineba, rom Semdegi oTxi

weli politikuri Tu partiuli

gadawyvetilebebi im adamianebma

unda miiRon, romlebmac Cemi qveyana,

lamis, saxelmwifo gadatrialebis

winaSe daayenes, mere ki politikuri

molaparakeba CaSales.

saerTod, politikaSi „gadagdeba”

iseve miuRebelia, rogorc

_ Cveulebriv cxovrebaSi. iyo

proporciuli naTqvami? _ es sakiTxi

parlamentSi unda gaetanaT.

amis Semdeg gavida periodi da Cems

saxelmwifosa da xelisuflebas

ori politpatimari „Setenes”,

arada, politpatimrebi bunebaSi

ar arseboben da mxolod qaRaldzea

dafiqsirebuli, rom Turme,

gvyavs. es patara ki ara, Zalian

didi Secdomebia da im adamianebs,

romlebic mZimewonian politikur

Secdomebs permanentulad uSvebdnen,

mxars veravis xaTriT

davuWer! ise, velodebi, aSS-Si ra

moxdeba _ iqac viTareba ZalTa

gadanawilebis etapzea. aseve velodebi,

ukrainaSi ra procesebi

ganviTardeba. saerTod, vfiqrob,

aSS-is saprezidento arCevnebis

epicentri ukraina iqneba.

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amerikis kongresis mier mo-

mzadebulma dokumentma opozicia Zalian gaaxara. isini

fiqroben, rom Sors araa dRe, roca vaSingtoni biZina ivaniS-

vils sanqciebs dauwesebs. opoziciis sixaruli naadrevad

eCveneba „marTvis strategiuli centris” xelmZRvanel petre

mamraZes. misi TqmiT, „qarTuli ocnebis” liders amerikidan

aranairi sanqciebi ar elodeba. mamraZe miiCnevs, rom ivaniSvils

ar ainteresebs politika, ar ereva politikaSi da prob-

lemebi SeiZleba, amis gamo Seeqmnas.

vin ubedavs „ocnebis” liders

urCobas? ra Secdomas uSvebs

ivaniSvili? ratom ar emuqreba

mas vaSingtonidan safrTxe? ra

SeiZleba moxdes arCevnebamde

ori kviriT adre? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s petre mam-

raZe esaubreba:

_ batono petre, aSS-is kongresis

mier momzadebuli dokumentis

gamoqveynebis Semdeg, sa-

dac ivaniSvilisTvis sanqciebis

dawesebazea saubari, „ocnebis”

lideri arsad gamoCenila. is

didi xania, isedac ar Cans.

opozicia fiqrobs, rom misi

saqme Zalian cudadaa. Tqven ras

ityviT?

_ Cemi azriT, ivaniSvils SeSfoTebisTvis

aranairi safuZveli

ar aqvs. amerikis kongresis mier

momzadebuli dokumenti mas

problemas ar Seuqmnis. rac Seexeba

saqarTveloSi arsebul

katastroful socialurekonomikur

mdgomareobas, es namdvilad

unda iyos misTvis SeSfoTebis

mizezi. romeli kongresmeni

ras ityvis ivaniSvilze,

amas mniSvneloba ar aqvs.

_ sanqciebis dawesebaze ras

gvetyviT? _ erTia, ras fiq-

roben masze kongresmenebi da

meorea, dauweseben Tu ara mas

sanqciebs.

_ amerikis mier ivaniSvilis-

Tvis sanqciebis dawesebas ar velodebi.

ratom unda dauweson mas

sanqciebi, rom adamianis uflebebis

dacvis kuTxiT evrokavSiris

ramdenime qveyanaSi Cvenze bevrad

uaresi mdgomareobaa, magram maT

sanqciebs ar uweseben? arc putinTan

mekavSireobis gamo dauwesebiaT

vinmesTvis sanqcia.

_ evrokavSiris romel qveya-

naSia saqarTveloze uaresi

mdgomareoba da vin miiCneva iq

putinis mokavSired?

_ magaliTisTvis ungreTsa da

poloneTs moviyvan: ungreTis

premieri Riad acxadebs, rom mis-

Tvis samagaliToa prezidenti

putini. amis gamo mas sanqciebs

aravin uwesebs. poloneTSi kaCinskis

partia iRebs kanonebs, romelic

presis Tavisuflebas zRudavs.

isini evrokavSirma gaafrTxila,

magram yurad ar iRes da

mSvidad agrZeleben aRebul

kurss. amis gamo varSavas evrokavSiridan

garicxviT aravin emuqreba.

dRes msoflioSi sul sxva

viTarebaa da amitom ivaniSvils

ar aqvs mizezi, SeSfoTdes kongresis

mier momzadebuli dokumentis

gamo. saqarTveloSi arsebuli

demografiuli da socialur-ekonomikuri

viTareba ki,

rogorc ukve aRvniSne, namdvilad

imsaxurebs SeSfoTebas.

_ mZime socialuri mdgomar-

eoba aiZulebs ivaniSvils, rom

raRac Secvalos? 2018 wels

kvirikaSvili premierobidan imis

gamo gauSves, rom „iunisefis”

daskvniT, saqarTveloSi bavSve-

bi SimSiloben. am daskvnis gareSe

xelisuflebam ar icoda, aq ra

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mZime suraTi iyo? an ivaniSvil-

isTvis ucnobi iyo, rom

saqarTveloSi adamianebi siR-

atakeSi cxovroben?

_ biZina ivaniSvilze saubrisas

yovelTvis vcdilob, rom mas,

rogorc saqarTvelos istoria-

Si udides qvelmoqmeds, madloba

gadavuxado. yvelaze didi qvelmoqmedeba

iyo is, rom es adamiani

Semovida politikaSi, romelic

mas ase Zalian ezizReboda da axlac

ezizReba. ara marto Semovida,

aramed realuri riskis qveS

daayena mTeli misi ojaxi, mas

yovelTvis madlobas vetyvi! magram

verc imas avuvli gverds,

rom politikaSi igi sruliad

araadekvaturad iqceva. araadkvaturi

iyo kvirikaSvilis gaSveba

premierobidan. „ocnebis” daxurul

sxdomaze romeliRacam waikiTxa

„iunisefis” daskvna, sadac

ewera, rom saqarTveloSi bavSvebi

SimSiloben. maSin SeSfoTda

ivaniSvili da Tqva, _ orma bankma

gadaWama saqarTveloo da gauSva

kvirikaSvili. adamiani raRac informacias

rom gaigebs, gaficxdeba

da magidaze muSts daartyams,

es ar aris qveynis marTva.

aseT dros SeiZleba, iseTi gadawyvetileba

miiRo, romelic kiTxvis

niSnebs gaaCens.

_ Tqven kvirikaSvilis Secv-

lasTan dakavSirebiT kiTxvis

niSnebi gagiCndaT? ar unda gaeS-

va is ivaniSvils?

_ sxvaTa Soris, maqvs kiTxvebi.

aseve maqvs kiTxvebi imasTan

dakavSirebiT, Tu ratom gauSves

ekonomikis ministris postidan

giorgi qobulia? is adamiani

gauSves mTavrobidan, romelmac

ganacxada, rom ekonomika monopolisturi

garigebebiT ar unda

imarTebodeso. wlebis winaT

ivaniSvilma Zalian magari rame

Tqva, _ saqarTveloSi ar arsebobs

saSualo fena, romelsac

SeuZlia sakuTari mTavrobis gakontroleba.

amis gakeTeba me miwevs

SeZlebisdagvarado. Tqven

ra ggoniaT, man Caawyo, rom Sar-

San noemberSi umravlesobas proporciul

saarCevno sistemaze

gadasvla Caegdo? ara da ara.

_ imis Tqma gindaT, rom daCi

beraiam da dimitri xundaZem

ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg wasvla

gabedes?

_ amaTac gaubedes da sxvebmac.

igive kaxa oqriaSvilma gabeda

misi nebis winaaRmdeg wasvla.

_ oqriaSvilma rom ivaniSvi-

lis winaaRmdeg wasvla gabeda,

amas davijereb, magram daCi be-

raiaze da dimitri xundaZeze ar

mjera. kaxa oqriaSvili yovel-

Tvis Riad ambobda, rom misTvis

proporciuli sistema miuRebeli

iyo da mas arasdros dauWer-

da mxars.

_ damijereT, rom beraiam,

xundaZem da sxvebma gabedes „qar-

Tuli ocnebis” lideris nebis

winaaRmdeg wasvla. es ambavi kargad

vici da amitom vsaubrob ase-

Ti dazustebiT. ivaniSvilma maT-

`ivaniSvili `ocnebas~

petre mamraZe:

`saqarTveloSi

arCevnebi rCeba

im movlenad,

romlis bedic

SeiZleba, bolo

or kviraSi

gadawydes~

Tan SeuTanxmeblad gaakeTa erTi

wlis winaT gancxadeba, rom saqarTveloSi

saparlamento arCevnebi

srulad proporciuli sistemiT

Catardeboda.

_ es gancxadeba man „gavrilovis

Ramis” Semdeg, 24 ivniss, gaa-

keTa.

_ ivaniSvili rom arCevnebis

proporciuli wesiT Catarebas

apirebda, amis Sesaxeb maJoritarebma

televiziiT gaiges, maTi

umetesoba milioneri da multimilioneria.

„ocnebis” lideris

iniciativam isini Zalian SeaSfo-

Ta. Tu ar gjeraT, rom gundSi

mas winaaRmdegobis gawevas ubedaven,

kidev erT ambavs gagaxsenebT:

ramdenime wlis win is

oficialurad dabrunda politikaSi.

maSin JurnalistebTan

aseTi rame Tqva, _ Cemi dabrunebis

ambavi rom gaiges, gundSi amis

winaaRmdeg Zalian bevri wavidao.

vcitireb ivaniSvils: „magram maT

resursi ar eyoT da me SevZeli

dabruneba”. amas, mgoni, aranairi

komentari aRar sWirdeba.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom „ocnebis”

wevrebma ivaniSvili nelnela

Camoaciles marTvis sadav-

eebs?

`Cemi azriT, ivaniSvils SeSfoTebisTvis

aranairi safuZveli ar aqvs. amerikis

kongresis mier momzadebuli dokumenti mas

problemas ar Seuqmnis. rac Seexeba

saqarTveloSi arsebul katastroful

socialur-ekonomikur mdgomareobas, es

namdvilad unda iyos misTvis SeSfoTebis

mizezi. romeli kongresmeni ras ityvis

ivaniSvilze, amas mniSvneloba ar aqvs~

_ ase gamodis. Tqven ra ggoniaT,

mas undoda giorgi qobulias

moxsna? Signidan maqvs dazustebuli

informacia, rom amis gakeTeba

ar surda.

_ aba, ratom mosTxova maSin-

del premier mamuka baxtaZes

qobulias gaSveba?

_ ivaniSvilma im adamianebs ver

gauwia winaaRmdegoba, romelTac

ekonomikis ministrad naTia Turnava

undodaT.

_ es vano CxartiSvilis survili

iyo da ivaniSvili CxartiS-

vilis miTiTebebs asrulebs?

_ rodesac sabuTi xelT ar

miWiravs, gvarebis dasaxelebas

veridebi. magram darwmunebiT

getyviT, rom qubulia ivaniSvils

im xalxma gaaSvebina, visac ekonomikis

ministris postze Turnava

awyobda.

_ Turnavas moxsna premierma

giorgi gaxariam scada, magram

mas ivaniSvilma amis ufleba ar

misca.

_ amis Sesaxeb mec gamigia. Seu-

Zlebelia, ivaniSvili eomos da

mougos im adamianebs, romlebsac

kazinoebidan da totalizatorebidan

weliwadSi 14 miliardi Semosavali

aqvT.

_ am adamianebs, jamurad, iv-

aniSvilze meti fuli gamosdiT.

maTTan brZola advili ar iqne-

ba.

_ marto fuli xom araa mTavari,

gavlenac meti aqvT. maT

TavianTi gundebi hyavT. am xalxma

qoneba Cveni jibeebidan amoRebuli

fuliT daagrova, magram

qvelmoqmedebas erTi TeTric ki

ar moaxmara. xalxi maTgan arafers

iTxovs imitom, rom miCveulebi

arian maT aseT saqciels.

_ verc mosTxoven, xalxma

icis, rom isini Semdeg xelisu-

flebasTanac iolad gamonaxaven

saerTo enas.

_ ra Tqma unda, gamonaxaven.

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veRar akontrolebs~

nen,

`nacebis~ udidesi Sedevri da `qocebis~ udidesi Cavardnaa, rom Jorika

rurua im donis politpatimrad gaxades, mis ganTavisuflebas donald

tuski iTxovs~

maTi nawili gasuli saukunis 90-

iani wlebidan modis. maTTvis

sulerTia, vin mova xelisuflebaSi

_ gavlenas inarCuneben da

maTi qoneba izrdeba. saqarTvelo

aris tipuri qveyana, sadac eqskluziuri

sistemaa. es iseTi

sistemaa, sadac biznesi damyarebulia

xalxisgan fulis amoRebaze.

aviRoT wamlebi, _ katastrofulad

Zviri Rirs aq medikamentebi,

vidre Cvens mezobel

qveynebSi. roca kaxa oqriaSvils

amaze komentari sTxoves, man

Tqva, _ sul ar mainteresebs, me

Camomaqvs da am fasad vyidio.

_ oqriaSvili imdenad gavida

Tavs, rom rogorc amboben, mas

„ocneba” gaemijna da rame Tu ar

Seicvala, dmanisSi maJoritarad

aRar daayeneben.

_ risTvis sWirdeba „qarTuli

ocnebis” wardgena? adgeba da

damoukideblad iyris kenWs.

_ da, didi albaTobiT, moi-

gebs kidec. mTeli dmanisi Tavis

saafTiaqo qselSi hyavs dasaqme-

buli.

_ swored es aris ubedurebis

saTave. ase moqmedebda siciliis

mafia. isini arasdros ayalbebdnen

arCevnebs. sicialiaSi arCevnebi

yovelTvis Riad da samarTlianad

tardeboda. ubralod, viRaca

Camoitanda ambavs, donma ase

Tqva, esa da es biWebi mWirdeba

xelisuflebaSio da amiT mTavrdeboda

yvelaferi. sicilielebi

midiodnen da donis biWebs

aZlevdnen xmas.

„nacebis” udidesi Sedevri da

„qocebis” udidesi Cavardnaa, rom

Jorika rurua im donis politpatimrad

gaxades, mis ganTavisuflebas

donald tuski iTxovs.

gigi ugulavas Zalian bevri megobari

hyavs „ocnebaSi” da mis

daWeras aravin apirebda, pirvel

dakavebas vgulisxmob. gigi da

„ocneba” erTad mSvenivrad iyofdnen

fulebs, magram erT mSvenier

dRes ugulava Tbilisis

meris rangSi Sevarda mTavrobis

sxdomaze, romelsac ivaniSvili

uZRveboda. Tbilisis merma maSindel

premiers kiTxvebi dausva.

am Tavxedobam „qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri Zalian gaabraza da

ramdenime dReSi gigi ugulava

daiWires kidec.

„nacebis” wasvlis Semdeg saqarTveloSi

dabrunebulma irakli

oqruaSvilmac bevri miqara, maT

Soris, gorSi moawyo srola, magram

xeli aravin axlo. sakmarisi

iyo, politikaSi Semosuliyo,

rom daakaves. igive moxda Jorika

ruruas SemTxvevaSic. axla masze

ise gviyvebian, rogorc did damnaSaveze.

Tu icodnen, rom ruruas

aseTi danaSaulebi hqonda Cadenili,

aqamde sad iyvnen? merve

welia, rac xelisuflebaSi arian

da gamoeZiebinaT. Jorika ruruasgan

dazaralebulebi bevrs yvirodnen,

magram „ocnebas” yuradRebac

ki ar miuqcevia maTTvis.

sakmarisi iyo, is „mTavari” arxis

mewile gamxdariyo, rom maSinve

daiWires. ar gamovricxav, rurua

marTali iyos, roca ambobs, rom

mas iaraRi Caudes.

_ ra Tqma unda, Caudes. adamians

imdeni registrirebuli iar-

aRi hqonda da gauformebeli

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iaraRiT ratom gamovidoda qu-

CaSi?

_ giorgi ruruas rangis adamianebi

iaraRs jibiT arasdros

atareben. Tu gaviTvaliswinebT,

rom is aqciebze dadioda, iq iaraRiT

araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar

mividoda. iaraRi eqneboda misi

dacvis wevrs, romelic mis siaxloves

itrialebda. roca saqmis

keTeba aravis unda da mxolod

„xazeinisTvis” Tavis mowonebaze

arian gadasulebi, Zalian bevr

Secdomas uSveben da momavalSic

dauSveben.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom „ocne-

ba” mxolod „xazeinisTvis” Tavis

mowonebiTaa dakavebuli da amave

dros „xazeins” bevri aRar emor-

Cileba?

_ bolomde arc adre emor-

Cilebodnen da verc is akontrolebda

gunds. Tina xidaSeli

da daviT usufaSvili ivaniSvilis

politikuri guruebi iyvnen. vinc

am adamianebs icnobda, gaiZaxod-

`araadkvaturi iyo kvirikaSvilis gaSveba

premierobidan. `ocnebis~ daxurul sxdomaze

romeliRacam waikiTxa `iunisefis~ daskvna, sadac

ewera, rom saqarTveloSi bavSvebi SimSiloben.

maSin SeSfoTda ivaniSvili da Tqva, - orma

bankma gadaWama saqarTveloo da gauSva

kvirikaSvili. adamiani raRac informacias rom

gaigebs, gaficxdeba da magidaze muSts

daartyams, es ar aris qveynis marTva~

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movlenebis

Semdeg, roca

mosaxleobas

tyviebi dauSines,

gaxaria,

gadadgomis

nacvlad,

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Sesabamisad, amerikis SeerTebulma Statebma da

dasavleTma saqarTvelos xelisuflebis

kritika daiwyes. es gamoCnda kongresmenebisa

da senatorebis werilebSi, radgan ukve

xelisuflebis gadawyvetlebebi amerikis

interesebs Seexo, aseve evrokavSiris

Tavmoyvareoba Seilaxa, radgan ivaniSvilma da

misma gundma isini moatyua. anu dasavleTis

mxridan xelisuflebis mimarT kritika daiwyo

Semodgomidan da ara - 20 ivnisidan~

xalxs Tvalebi dasTxares, imis

gamo, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

adamianebs mudmivad umeorebs 7

noembrisa da 26 maisis aqciebis

Sesaxeb, finansuri resursiTac

agitaciis meti SesaZlebloba

aqvs, amitom wina xelisufleba

iTvleba ufro uzurpatorad,

vidre _ dRevandeli. mmarTveli

gundi im Temaze muSaobs,

rom TiTqos 20 ivnisis Rames

saxelmwifo gadatrialeba igegmeboda

da „qarTuli ocnebis”

mmarTvelobis pirobebSi saqar-

Tvelom Tavidan aicila saxelmwifo

gadatrialeba. xelisufleba,

romelmac ar aiRo pasuxismgebloba

20 ivnisis movlenebze

da gaxariam, romelmac,

rogorc Ss ministrma, tyviebis

daSenis brZaneba gasca, dawinaurda,

Tundac „nacionaluri

moZraoba” am Temas ar iyenebs.

vimeoreb: 7 noembers imJamindelma

xelisuflebam grkveulad

gadaaWarba uflebamosilebas,

magram maSin prezidentma pasuxismgebloba

aiRo da Tanamdebobidan

gadadga, man erTi wliT

Seimcira saprezidento vada.

garda amisa, premieri noRaideli

Tanamdebobidan gadaayenes,

amasTanave xelisuflebam aRiara

sakuTari Secdoma da bodi-

Si mouxada sazogadoebas. 20

ivnisis movlenebis Semdeg, roca

mosaxleobas tyviebi dauSines,

gaxaria gadadgomis nacvlad,

daawinaures da dRevandel

xelisuflebas bodiSic ki

ar mouxdia, piriqiT _ gvimtkicebda,

rom gadatrialeba igegmeboda.

gavixsenoT maCalikaSvilis

saqme, rodesac adamiani saku-

Tar sawolSi Cacxriles da yvelam

viciT specdaniSnulebis

razmi monawileobda, magram

aravin dasjila; amJamindeli

xelisuflebis mmarTvelobisas

arsebobs SemTxveva, rodesac

goris gvirabSi Cacxriles parlamentaris

Svili, romelmac

manqana ar gaaCera da policiis

brZanebas ar daemorCila, mas

iaraRic ki ar hqonia manqanaSi.

aseve 21 wlis biWs gauxsna ce-

cxli policiam quTaisSi; axalgarzda

mokles nucubiZis qu-

Caze, romelsac aseve ar hqonda

iaraRi. am yvelafris miuxedavad,

iTvleba, rom wina xelisufleba

iyo uzurpatori da

dRevandeli xelisufleba ise-

Ti boroti ar aris. ase rom,

sainformacio oms agebs opozicia.

bevri fiqrobs, „nacionalebis”

dabrunebis SemTxvevaSi

daiwyeba cixeSi gaupatiurebebi

da a. S., am dros opoziciam

unda isaubros im ciliswamebebze,

romelic dRevandelma xelisuflebam

augora, Tundac

barbare rafaliancis, Jvanias

mkvleloba, rac tyuili iyo.

_ opoziciis sisuste, am

etapze, mxolod sainformacio

omis wagebaa?

_ me mgonia, rom opoziciam

Worebis gasafantad unda imuSaos.

gavixsenoT 2016 weli,

ratom damarcxda maSin „nacionaluri

moZraoba”? imitom, rom

bevrma Tqva, cixeSi gaupatiurebebi

daiwyeboda „nacionalebis”

dabrunebis SemTxveva-

Sio. realurad ki aRmoCnda,

rom cixis kadrebi dadgmuli

iyo. imaze uaresi tyuili ra

SeiZleba iyos, roca dRevandeli

xelisufleba wina xelisuflebas

ruseTTan omis dawyebas

abralebs?! aseve minda aRvniSno

xelisuflebis upiratesoba

_ mas hyavs 300 aTasamde sajaro

moxele, anu mas aqvs administraciuli

resursi. dRes

roca premiebs urigeben saarCevnod,

eubnebian, rom TavianTi

axloblebi gamoiyvanon da mxari

dauWiron. ase moxda 2018

wlis saprezidento arCevnebis

meore turSi amomrCevlebis

mobilizeba. aseve xelisuflebas

aqvs ivaniSvilis finansebi

da e. w. biznesmenTa Semowirulobebi.

es biznesmenebi rogor

igeben tenderebs, yvelam viciT.

2016 wels maT „qarTuli ocnebis”

sasargeblod Tanxebi Caricxes,

2018 wels ki salome zurabiSvils

gaukeTes fuladi

Semowirulobebi. es finansebi

kidev erTi faqtoria xelisuflebis

sasargeblod. opozicionerebi

gaiZaxian, rom biZina

ivaniSvili unda wavides da „qarTuli

ocneba” unda dasruldes

2020 wels, am gancxadebebis

nacvlad ki opozicionerebma

sazogadoebas unda mouwodon,

rom saWiroa brZola da

mobilizeba. „qarTulma ocnebam”

moaxerxa da mobilizeba gaukeTa

sakuTar amomrCevels.

Cven yvelas gvaxsovs, rom samarSruto

taqsebiT Caiyvanes

xalxi saarCevno ubnebze, Zalian

bevri adamiani, romelic TbilisSi

cxovrobs, regionSia

registrirebuli da arCevnebSi

ver aZlevda xmas, „qarTuli ocneba”

ki am amomrCevels maqsimalur

mobilizebas ukeTebda.

specialurad CahyavdaT regionebSi,

es aris xelisuflebis

Zlieri, xolo opoziciis

susti mxare.

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bolo dReebSi ganviTarebuli

movlenebis Sesaxeb, Jurnalist

giorgi gabuniaze Tavdasxmis

mcdelobis aRkveTis faqtTan

dakavSirebiT, „qronika+” Jurnalistsa

da istorikos daTo gamcem-

liZes esaubra:

_ daTo, pragmatulad da zed-

meti emociebis gareSe SevafasoT

movlena, romelmac bolo dReebis

manZilze sazogadoebis interesi

gamoiwvia da kidev ufro gaaR-

rmava polarizacia sxvadasxva

politikuri gemovnebis adamianebs

Soris. ra Tqma unda, vgulisxmob

sus-is mier Jurnalist giorgi

gabunias mkvlelobis mcdelo-

bisTvis ruseTis moqalaqis dak-

avebas. Tavad faqti mravalSrian-

ia, swored amitom sainteresoa

Seni Sefasebebi.

_ gmadlob. namdvilad mniSvnelovani

da saintereso faqtia,

Tanac, mravali waxnagiT. jerjerobiT,

zustad mxolod is viciT,

rom dakavebulia ruseTis moqalaqe,

38 wlis vasarbek badris Ze

bokovi, romelsac bralad edeba

yalbi dokumentebis SeZena-Senaxva.

danamdvilebiT viciT isic, rom es

personaJi cxovrobda pankisis xeobaSi,

Semdeg gadmobargda TbilisSi,

qavTaraZis quCaze, sadac

daakaves operatiuli informaciis

safuZvelze. Zneli misaxvedri ar

aris: „operatiuli informaciis”

erT-erTi wyaro igive pankisis xeoba

iqneboda, sadac Cveni specsamsaxurebi,

sabednierod, aqtiurad

muSaoben da asec unda iyos, raki

es xeoba ukve aTeulobiT welia,

sxvadasxva xasiaTis safrTxeTa Semcveli

rCeba rogorc adgilobrivi

mosaxleobisTvis, aseve _ mTeli

qveynisTvis. ai, am faqtebis Semdeg

ki ukve iwyeba mxolod varaudebi:

Tu ratom ar wauyenes bokovs

braldeba mkvlelobis momzadebisTvis

an dakveTili mkvlelobis

momzadebaSi monawileobisTvis?

_ diax, es mniSvnelovania da

ukve gvesmis mosazrebebi, rom

TiTqos specsamsaxurebi amiT ra-

Racas malaven. Tumca samarT-

lebriv praqtikaSi aseTi ram

xSirad xdeba, anu bralis Semdgom

damZimebas vgulisxmob...

_ SesaZloa, sagamoZiebo organoebs,

jerjerobiT, ar gaaCniaT

myari mtkicebulebebi, romelTac

ukve dRes eqnebodaT, rogorc samarTaldamcvel

sistemaSi amboben,

„sasamarTlo perspeqtiva”. miT

umetes im viTarebaSi, roca am

saqmes mTel msoflioSi „gamadidebeli

SuSiT” daakvirdebian.

amitomac saqme, jerjerobiT,

„faqtzea” aRZruli. Tumca arc is

viciT, vin miawoda saqarTvelos

uSiSroebis samsaxurs Tavdapirveli

informacia bokovis Sesaxeb.

ukrainis uSiSroebis samsaxurma?

oficialurad es arsad dadasturebula

da Tu ukrainis elCis

gancxadebas „gadmovTargmniT”

diplomatiuri enidan, rogorc

Cans, arc aravin daadasturebs,

raki saqme metad „delikaturia” da

SesaZloa, informaciis konfidenciur

wyaroebs exebodes.

ueWvelia, rom saqarTvelos

uSiSroebis samsaxuri uaxloesi

kvirebisa da Tveebis ganmavlobaSi

ganagrZobs im versiis damuSavebas,

Tu ra mizniT Semovida bokovi

Cvens qveyanaSi, visTan erTad moqmedebda

da ra mizans isaxavda?

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`kadirovs aranairi `kerZo

gega silagava

ukraina rom namdvilad CarTulia

am saqmeSi, sus-is gancxadebis

is nawili metyvelebs, sadac

laparakia interpolis xaziT TanamSromlobaze.

magram aq ruseTic

xom ar igulisxmeba? warmoudgenelia,

es saqme mxolod imiT damTavres,

rom bokovs miusajon yalbi

dokumentebis Senaxva-SeZenisTvis.

amas namdvilad ver moiTmens (da

arc unda moiTminos!) is xalxi,

romelic aRaSfoTa Cveni Tanamemamulisa

da Jurnalistis SesaZlo

mkvlelobis Taobaze gavrcelebulma

informaciam. amitom, miuxedavad

profesiuli midrekilebisa,

specsamsaxuri valdebulia da iZulebulic

iqneba, droTa ganmavlobaSi

bevrad meti gviTxras da am

sakmaod bnel saqmes, romelmac

saerTaSoriso JReradoba SeiZina,

srulad mohfinos naTeli.

_ imis miuxedavad, rom arse-

bobs sakmaod mwiri oficialuri

informacia, cxadia, gvaqvs Semdegi

mocemuloba: Jurnalist gabunias,

Cemi SefasebiT, sakmaod ara-

eTikuri gamoxtoma, romelsac

misi arxic ki gaemijna da igi

eTeridan moxsna; xelisuflebis

warmomadgenelTa erTmniSvnelo-

vani gancxadebebi, romlebmac,

aseve „ar moiwones” misi gamonaTq-

vamebi; ramzan kadirovis muqara;

da, rogorc irkveva, ukrainaSi

dawyebuli saqme, romelic Tbi-

lisSi eWvmitanilis dakavebiT

dasrulda. erT-erTi versiiT,

saqme „gaxia” generalma SaiTanovma.

im pirobebSi, rodesac ruse-

Tis prezidents saxlSic ar aklia

magineblebi, gamoiTqmis eWvi, rom

gabuniasTvis ruseTis specsamsaxurebi

ar gairjebodnen da es kadirovis

kerZo iniciativaa. ram-

denad sarwmunoa es eWvi da,

zogadad, ramdenad relevanturia

„gabunias saqmis” imave litvinen-

kos, skripalebisa da Tundac

politkovskaias faqtebTan Sedareba?

arafers vambob nemcovis mkv-

lelobis faqtze...

_ Cemi azriT, absoluturad

relevanturia sxva gaxmaurebul

saqmeebTan paralelis gavleba.

stili da „xelwera” namdvilad

erTia. iseve, rogorc „iolad amosacnobia”

mTavari „aqtori” _ CeCneTSi

kremlis satrapi ramzan kadirovi.

aRaravin daobs, rom boris

nemcovisa da ana politkovskaias

mkvleloba kadirovis garemocvam

ganaxorciela. iseve, rogorc

groznoSi midis kvali berlinSi

zelimxan xangoSvilis mkvlelobisa

da TbilisSi givi TargamaZis

afeTqebis saqmeebze. amave kriminalebs

inglisSi skripalebis an

litvinenkos mowamvla rom SeZlebodaT,

maTve daavalebda kremli,

magram es maT SesaZleblobas

scildeboda. miT umetes, raki

gadawyvetili iyo radioaqtiuri

„poloniumisa” da sazareli qimiuri

iaraRis, „noviCokis” transportireba,

Semdeg ki londonsa da

solsberiSi maTi gamoyeneba. aseT

delikatur saqmesa da nivTierebebs

am pirutyvebs ver andobdnen.

kadirovs aranairi „kerZo iniciativa”

ar SeiZleba hqondes: mas

Caabares „ubani”, romelzedac moqmedebs

konkretuli brZanebis

miRebisTanave. ra formiT gaicema

es brZaneba _ „SifrogramiT” Tu

„sandukovskaias” abanoSi ludis

smisas _ amas principuli mniSvneloba

ar aqvs. rac Seexeba imas,

rom putini an misi specsamsaxurebi

„ar moscdebodnen” giorgi gabunias

an misi gamonaTqvamebis gamo...

gaaCnia: Tuki Rrma analizis Sedegad

daadgendnen, rom amgvarma

ginebam putinis reitingsa da mis

„mowyvladobas” ziani miayena, Sesa-

Zloa, kidec emoqmedaT, oRond ara

emociiT, aramed _ pragmatuli

gaTvliT...

_ ras gulisxmob?

_ davakvirdeT, ra momentia am-

Jamad putinis reJimisTvis: axlovdeba

referendumi konstituciur

cvlilebebze, ramac

putins, minimum, 2036 wlamde unda

gauxangrZlivos mmarTveloba. anu

kremlis „binadars” sWirdeba nebismieri

xerxiTa da saSualebT reitingis

SenarCuneba da „popularuli”

aqciebis ganxorcieleba.

Tavs nu movityuebT da nu vifiqrebT,

TiTqos giorgi gabunias

daTo gamcemliZe:

`Tavs nu movityuebT

da nu vifiqrebT,

TiTqos giorgi

gabunias mkvleloba

putinis reitings

dascemda ruseTSi

da ara _ piriqiT~

mkvleloba putinis reitings dascemda

ruseTSi da ara _ piriqiT.

_ „mTavari arxis” damfuZne-

belma nika gvaramiam sagangebo

brifingze ganacxada, rom

ukrainis Sesabamisi samsaxurebi,

imis gamo, rom ar endobodnen

qarTul mxares, mas informacias

ar awvdidneno. ramdenad sarwmu-

noa es informacia da, meore

mxriv, am „dayovnebis” periodSi

rom ganxorcielebuliyo gabunias

winaaRmdeg Zaladobrivi qmedeba,

es xom iqneboda ukrainuli mxaris

pasuxismgebloba? realurad, es

gancxadeba, nebsiT Tu uneblieT,

ukrainuli mxaris diskreditaciaa.

mokled, ramdenad aris Sesa-

Zlebeli saxelmwifoTaSorisi

urTierTobebi, Tundac, am saqmis

`amitomac saqme, jerjerobiT, `faqtzea~ aRZruli.

Tumca arc is viciT, vin miawoda saqarTvelos

uSiSroebis samsaxurs Tavdapirveli

informacia bokovis Sesaxeb. ukrainis

uSiSroebis samsaxurma? oficialurad es arsad

dadasturebula da Tu ukrainis elCis

gancxadebas `gadmovTargmniT~ diplomatiuri

enidan, rogorc Cans, arc aravin daadasturebs,

raki saqme metad `delikaturia~ da SesaZloa,

informaciis konfidenciur wyaroebs exebodes.

ueWvelia, rom saqarTvelos uSiSroebis

samsaxuri uaxloesi kvirebisa da Tveebis

ganmavlobaSi ganagrZobs im versiis damuSavebas,

Tu ra mizniT Semovida bokovi Cvens qveyanaSi,

visTan erTad moqmedebda da ra mizans

isaxavda?~

konteqstSi, ise viTardebodes,

rogorc es gvaramiam aRwera?

_ savsebiT SesaZlebelia, am

saqmem kidev ufro „daamZimos”

ukraina-saqarTvelos urTierToba

da swored amitom mimaCnia aucileblad,

kievmac da Tbilismac bevrad

meti Tqvan, bevrad meti detali

Tu niuansi gamoaqveynon. pirvel

rigSi ki upasuxon kiTxvas: ra

akavSirebda mosarbek bokovs

ukrainasTan da donbasel separatistebTan?

xom ar monawileobda

igi sabrZolo moqmedebebSi? ras

warmoadgens bokovis saqmis

„ukrainuli qeisi”? Zalian mniSvnelovani

niuansia, rom „Jurnalistis

mkvlelobis momzadeba” susis

gancxadebaSi naxsenebi ar aris.

iq laparakia „SekveTil mkvlelobaze”.

samagierod, naxsenebia

saqarTvelos sagareo saqmeTa

saministros informaciaSi.

_ SeuZlebelia, daqiravebul

bokovs saqarTveloSi mokavSire

ar hyoloda. damoukideblad mas

gauWirdeboda dakveTis sisrule-

Si moyvana. am etapze rac viciT,

igi imyofeboda pankisis xeobaSi.

magram es sakmarisia? ramdenad

aris SesaZlebeli, rom mas garkve-

uli mokavSireebi hyoloda imave

Zalovan struqturebSi? am versi-

is Sesaxeb ramdenime mosazreba

movismine, maT Soris, aseTi, rom

SaiTanovi ueWvelad daasaxeleb-

da ramdenime personas, romelic

ruseTTan aris kavSirze da isini

yovelmxriv Seecdebian, gamoZieba

araswor kvalze daayenon...

_ specsamsaxurTa „TamaSi”

mudam Zalian rTuli da daxvewilia.

marTali xar, rodesac kavSirs

xedav am saqmesa da ukrainuli

specsamsaxurebis mier ruseTis

„superagentis”, general valeri

SaiTanovis dakavebas Soris. mar-

Tlac niSandoblivi „damTxvevaa”,

rac gviqmnis safuZvels vivaraudoT,

rom sulac ar aris „damTxveva”.

ruseTis specsamsaxurebic,

Tavisi rezidentis amgvari „Cavardnis”

Semdeg, daiwyebdnen gegma „b”-

s an gegma „d”-s an gegma „Z”-s ganxorcielebas

da erT-erTi mimarTuleba

mravalmxrivi dezinformaciac

iqneba. SaiTanovic didxans

ar darCeba kievis cixeSi _ mas

ueWvelad gadacvlian, rogorc

bevrjer momxdara, romelime ukra-

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iniciativa~ ar SeiZleba, hqondes~

inel oficerze, vinc doneckSi

daakaves. es icis rogorc TviT

SaiTanovma, aseve samive specsamsaxurma:

qarTulma, ukrainulma da

rusulma. is, rom bokovi saqar-

TveloSi marto moqmedebda, absoluturad

gamoricxulia. amis albaToba

nulis tolia. misi „mxardaWeris

baza” ki imave pankisis xeobaSia

saZiebeli. gavixsenoT gabriel

salosis quCaze datrialebuli

saSineleba, sadac mSvidobian

da Rirseul moqalaqeebTan erTad,

sakmarisze meti provokatori saxlobs.

_ rac ufro moaxlovdeba

arCevnebi saqarTvelosa da aSS-Si,

miT ufro damZimdeba viTareba.

Cvens Tanamoqalaqeebs xSirad avi-

wydebaT, rom hibriduli omis

pirobebSi vcxovrobT, sadac ar

arsebobs mza strategia da mteri

sakmaod veragia. xSirad, Zalian

uwyinari faqtic ki SesaZloa, am

omis mniSvnelovani komponenti

aRmoCndes. amitom sainteresoa,

ra molodinebi unda gvqondes

saqarTveloSi da aSS-Sic? radgan

Cveni strategiuli partnioris

mraval frontze brZola,

garkveulwilad, aris winapiroba

imisa, rom Cveni mimarTulebiT

misi yuradReba modundes da amiT

ufro isargeblos ruseTma.

_ Cveni, jer kidev, bolomde

verSemdgari saxelmwifos startegiuli

mteri namdvilad veragia.

am azris gasaZliereblad meore

qarTul sityvasac gamoviyenebdi _

cbieri!

bevri damiweria saqarTvelos

uaxles istoriaze, _ bolo 30 wlis

ganmavlobaSi ganviTarebul movlenebze,

zogi ram gadamifasebia,

bevri movlena Tu procesi dRevandeli

gadasaxedidan sxvagvaradac

Cans, Tumca aris erTi mcdarze mcdari

sazrisi, romelic verafriT

moviSoreT, anu STabeWdileba, rac

veranairad „amovSanTeT”, maT

Soris, moazrovne adamianebSic ki:

TiTqos ruseTs ar aRelvebs

saqarTvelos Sida politikur

sivrceSi mimdinare movlenebi,

„gulgrilad” akvirdeba maT da

mxolod maSin aqtiurdeba, roca

SeiaraRebul konfliqtebs exeba

saqme. gaxsovs, albaT, 1991 wels,

rodesac „sasargeblo idiotebi”

da „seqsotebi”, erToblivi ZalisxmeviT,

qveyanaSi samoqalaqo oms

iwyebdnen, xSirad gaigonebdi: „vis

raSi vundvarT?~ da „sul aRar ainteresebs

ruseTs saqarTvelo”.

realurad ki am garegnuli

„gulgrilobis” miRma imaleba ara

ubralod mZafri daintereseba,

aramed maRalteqnologiui Carevebic

im berketebis gamoyenebiT, rac

namdvilad aqvT.

_ absoluturad geTanxmebi. es

garegnuli

„gulgriloba”,

rogorc Sen axsene, qarTveli obivatelisa

da ara mxolod obivatelis,

Sinaarsobriv gularx-

einobas ganapirobebs, romlis

Sedegebis danaxva arc ki gvinda

an „viRacas” vabralebT.

_ arsebobs „instrumentali” da

arsebobs „meTodika”. orive

strategiul mizans emsaxureba:

saqarTvelo ver Sedges, rogorc

saxelmwifo! igulisxmeba isic, rom

ver Sedges samarTlian saxelmwifod,

e. i. darCes xeibar qveynad,

sadac ar arsebobs sasamarTlo, ar

arsebobs demokratia, pluralizmi,

mravalpartiuloba, xelisuflebaTa

cvalebadoba... wesad iqca

elitebis, maT Soris, bizneselite-

`zustad mxolod is viciT, rom dakavebulia ruseTis moqalaqe, 38 wlis

vasarbek badris Ze bokovi, romelsac bralad edeba yalbi dokumentebis SeZena-

Senaxva. danamdvilebiT viciT isic, rom es personaJi cxovrobda pankisis

xeobaSi, Semdeg gadmobargda TbilisSi, qavTaraZis quCaze, sadac daakaves

operatiuli informaciis safuZvelze. Zneli misaxvedri ar aris: `operatiuli

informaciis~ erT-erTi wyaro igive pankisis xeoba iqneboda, sadac Cveni

specsamsaxurebi, sabednierod, aqtiurad muSaoben da asec unda iyos, raki es

xeoba ukve aTeulobiT welia, sxvadasxva xasiaTis safrTxeTa Semcveli rCeba

rogorc adgilobrivi mosaxleobisTvis, aseve - mTeli qveynisTvis~

bad SeniRbuli mafiozuri jgufebis

mier mosaxleobis Zarcva da a.

S. Sesabamisad, xdeba TviT saxelmwifoebriobis

ideis diskreditacia

moqalaqeTa im saukeTeso nawilSi,

vinc mzad iyo da mzadaa, bevr

rameze Tqvas uari saxelmwifos mxardasaWerad,

garda yvelaze

mTavrisa _ samarTlianobisa.

nu davijerebT demagogias,

TiTqos „samarTlianoba” yvelas

Taviseburad esmis. sinamdvileSi,

„samarTlianoba”, iseve rogorc

„Cagvra”, almasiviT ganuyofeli

cnebebia. imedi viqonioT, momavali

arCevnebis „bewvis xidze” qveyana

usafrTxod gaivlis, miviRebT bevrad

ufro pluralistur, „dabalansebul”

xelisuflebas da ar

moxdeba „marTvadi qaosis” morigi

provocireba, rogorc araerTgzis

gvinaxavs, radgan swored „marTvadi

qaosia” is „mRvrie wyali”, sadac

Cveni saxelmwifos egzistenciur

mters moqmedeba uadvildeba.

rac Seexeba amerikis SeerTebul

Statebs, kiTxvaze yvelaze ioli

pasuxi iqneboda, rom amerikis

zesaxelmwifoebriobis mTavari

pirobaa resursTa simravle, raTa

`aRaravin daobs, rom boris nemcovisa da ana

politkovskaias mkvleloba kadirovis

garemocvam ganaxorciela. iseve, rogorc

groznoSi midis kvali berlinSi zelimxan

xangoSvilis mkvlelobisa da TbilisSi givi

TargamaZis afeTqebis saqmeebze. amave

kriminalebs inglisSi skripalebis an

litvinenkos mowamvla rom SeZlebodaT, maTve

daavalebda kremli, magram es maT

SesaZleblobas scildeboda. miT umetes, raki

gadawyvetili iyo radioaqtiuri `poloniumisa~

da sazareli qimiuri iaraRis, `noviCokis~

transportireba, Semdeg ki londonsa da

solsberiSi maTi gamoyeneba. aseT delikatur

saqmesa da nivTierebebs am pirutyvebs ver

andobdnen~

miuxedavad Sidapolitikuri daZabulobis

an Tundac sagareo gamowvevaTa

momravlebisa, ar miatovos

mokavSireebi msoflios arc

erT regionSi. ase rom ar iyos,

amerika zesaxelmwifoebriobis

statuss didi xnis winaT dakargavda.

sabednierod, jerjerobiT,

mainc asea. magram aq meore problema

ufro metad arsebiTia: damoukideblobis

pirveli dRidan moyolebuli

gvaqvs paternalisturi

anu mamaSviluri damokidebuleba

amerikis mimarT, i. i. gancda, Ti-

Tqos is miiRebs Cvens nacvlad

gadawyvetilebebs, is iomebs, is

ibrZolebs, is gvetyvis, rogor

moviqceT yovel konkretul Sem-

TxvevaSi da a. S. amgvarma damokidebulebam

bevri tragedia ganapiroba.

sinamdvileSi, cnobili qarTuli

gamoTqmis perifraziT, amerika

da dasavleTi „xeze asvlas” ki

gvaswavlian, oRond „xeze” Tavad,

damoukideblad, misi xelis SeSvelebis

gareSe unda avideT. aravin

aranair „recepts” ar gamogviwers:

es qarTuli elitebis movaleobaa.

sagareo mxardaWeris faqtori ki,

Tu procentulad mivudgebiT, Sei-

Zleba 20-30% iyos. danarCeni,

rogorc ityvian, „Cvenzea”.

_ ratom cdiloben ruseTis

specsamsaxurebi, mudmivad pankis-

Si Seqmnan rTuli viTareba? es

adamianebi sakmaod saxelmwifoebrivad

azrovneben, gamonaklise-

bi yvelgan arian. magram mainc

ratom ebmis yvela mniSvnelovani

danaSauli pankiss? mxolod ebmis

ki ara, calkeuli personebic

CarTulebi arian...

_ imitom, rom, samwuxarod, iq

arsebobs garkveuli „baza”, „adgilobrivi

resursi”, maSasadame,

SesaZlebloba, romelic gareSe

Zalebma SeiZleba gamoiyenon. yvelgan

gamoiyeneben, sadac amgvari

„sayrdeni” eqnebaT. aq mTavaria am

„sayrdenis” arseboba da ara is,

ramdeni procentia xeobaSi saxelmwifoebrivad

moazrovne. sabednierod,

umravlesobaa. oRond

srulqmnili „saxelmwifoebrivad

azrovneba” is iqneba, Tavad mospon

es „sayrdeni”! saqarTvelos specsamsaxurebTan

rom TanamSromloben,

swored saxelmwifoebrivi

azrovnebis nimuSi Tu gamovlinebaa,

Tumca sakmarisi ar aris,

rogorc axla vxedavT an „beri gabriel

salosis” quCaze ganviTarebuli

movlenebisas vnaxeT.

_ axla sakiTxi ufro global-

ur prizmaSi ganvixiloT: im

gauazrebeli hibriduli omis

pirobebSi, rodesac ruseTis sain-

formacio jarebi yoveldRiur

saartilerio dartymebs ayeneben

mowinaaRmdegeebs mTel msoflio-

Si (roca amas ambob, gpasuxoben,

rom yvelaferi varaudia da ara-

nairi omi ar mimdinareobs), cxa-

dia, rom ufro da ufro mZafrdeba

dapirispireba ruseTisa da aSSis

specsamsaxurebs Soris. faqto-

brivad, maT calke omi aqvT.

rogoria ZalTa balansi?

_ sakmarisia, erTxel SeavloT

Tvali margarita simonian-sofo

SevardnaZis Russia today-s da yovelgvari

eWvic qreba: mravalenovan

televizias ewodeba „ruseTi

dRes”, Tumca mxolod im ubedurebebze,

konfliqtebze, dapirispirebebze,

krizisebze yveba, rac

dasavleTSi xdeba. Tan ara mxolod

yveba, aramed aprovocirebs kidec

bevr maTgans... Tumca yovelTvis, im

„sayrdenis”, im naklovanebaTa, zogjer

ki mankierebaTa da sistemur

sisusteTa gamoyenebiT, rac dasavlur

demokratiebs axasiaTebT.

Tu adre es „sayrdeni” „klasobrivi

brZola” iyo, axla rasizmi,

sqesTa Tanasworoba, ekologia,

„globalizacia”, anarqizmi da sxva

uamravi problemaa _ maTi Tanamdevi

fanatikosebiT Tu „sasargeblo

idiotebiT”. amas emateba socialur

qselebSi „momuSave” botebisa

da trolebis „fronti”,

romelic, Tavis mxriv, ramdenime

„armiisgan” Sedgeba da a. S.

specsamsaxurTa omSi ki yvelaferi

Zveleburadaa, rogorc „xanjlianTa

da labadianTa” warsuli

„faruli omebis dros”. es omebi,

umravles SemTxvevaSi, yaimiT sruldeba.

aseTia maTi buneba. magali-

Tad: amerikam rusi narkomovaWreebi

da iaraRis gamyidvelebi daakava

(iaroSenko da buti), pasuxad

rusulma specsamsaxurma moskovSi

daapatimra amerikis moqalaqe pol

uilani, romelsac nacnobma qalbatonma,

romantikuli Sexvedris

dros gadasca „fleSi”, viTomdac

maTi erToblivi samaxsovro fotoebiT.

ramdenime wuTis Semdeg

amerikels Seuvardnen, daapatimres

da im „fleSkaze” romeliRac raketis

sqema aRmoCnda. anu pirwminda

provokacia iyo, oRond brwyinvaled

ganxorcielebuli, raTa uilani,

visac moskovis „sasamarTlom”

16 weli miusaja, butsa da iaroSenkoSi

gaecvalaT. garwmunebT, asec

moxdeba, adre Tu gvian.

_ ai, Tundac, „gabunias saqmis”

komentirebisas xelisuflebis

oponentebi acxadeben, rom saqarTvelos

xelisufleba aris

ruseTis mona da vasali. ramdenad

Seesabameba es sinamdviles Tun-

dac faqtis prizmaSi da meorec _

ramdenad sasargebloa, roca yve-

la drois opozicia mudmivad

bralad sdebs yvela drois xe-

lisuflebas ruseTumeobas? gax-

sovs, es braldeba ismoda Sevard-

naZis mimarT, imave saakaSvilis,

axla ivaniSvilis. ar SeiZleba,

erTxel aSS-is politikurma klas-

ma da gadasaxadis gadamxdelma

Tqvas, _ vis vuWerT mxars? Cven

vaxarjavT fuls da eseni ruseTis

mona vasalebi ariano?

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ratom TareSoben saqarTveloSi

ucxo qveynebis specsamsax-

urebis warmomadgenlebi? rog-

or gamouSves cixidan ruseTis

agentebi, maT nacvlad ki oku-

pantebTan mebrZolebi Casves?

rogor aqcies cnobili narkob-

arigebi politpatimrebad? ra

aris „qarTuli ocnebisTvis”

prioriteti? _ am Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+”-s samarTaldam-

cvelTa reformirebis centris

xelmZRvaneli, zviad kuprava

esaubreba:

_ 2012 wlis Semdeg saqarTv-

eloSi araerTi SekveTili mkv-

leloba moxda. gasul kviras

gavigeT, rom Jurnalist giorgi

gabunias mkvleloba igegmeboda.

rogorc irkveva, am Sekve-

Tis ukan CeCneTis lideri ramzan

kadirovi idga, romlis sax-

elis xsenebasac saqarTvelos

xelisufleba gaurbis. ase Zal-

ian aSinebT CeCneTis lideri?

_ 2012 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis Semdeg saqarTveloSi

bevri gaxmaurebuli mkvleloba

moxda. minda gavixseno usafrTxoebis

samsaxuris erT-erTi ma-

RalCinosnis, zviad lagvilavas

ambavi: is saukeTeso adamiani da

Tavisi saqmis profesionali gaxldaT.

Zalian bevr informacias

flobda. es biWi bundovan situaciaSi

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ministri maSin vaxtang gomelauri

iyo. man meore dResve moinaxula

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brZanebiT iqauroba moasufTaves

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aviRoT, Tundac, zelimxan

xangoSvilis ambavi: is ramzan kadirovisa

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kritikulad gaxldaT ganwyobili.

misi mkvlelobac SekveTili

iyo. pirvelad saqarTveloSi

Seecadnen mis likvidacias, es

2015 wels moxda. zelimxani maSin

sakuTarma moxerxebulobam gadaarCina,

saxeze aifara xeli da

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aq Tavs usafrTxod veRar

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miagnes da mainc mokles. samwuxarod,

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reagireba saerTod

ar hqonia, samagierod, germanias

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roca mmarTveli partia maT xmamaRla gakritikebasac ver

bedavs. „qarTulma ocnebam” da misma pirvelma pirebma verc

CeCneTis liderze, saqveynod aRiarebul mkvlel ramzan kad-

irovze gabedes augis Tqma. arada, misi dakveTiT TbilisSi

Jurnalisti giorgi gabunia unda moeklaT.

kuraturam zelimxan xangoSvilis

mkvlelobis Sesaxeb sagangebo

gancxadeba gaakeTa. germaniis

prokuratura SoTaZis kantora

ar aris, daskvna haerze rom daedo.

maT saqarTvelodan gamoiTxoves

2015 wels xangoSvilze momxdari

Tavdasxmis saqme. Seiswavles,

Tu ra gaakeTa Tbilisma, ra

ar gaakeTa. amis Semdeg mividnen

daskvnamde, rom saqarTvelos

hyavs prorusuli xelisufleba.

am SemTxvevaSi misi prorusuloba

kremlis interesebis gatarebiT

gamoixateba. moskovs surda,

rom Tbiliss xangoSvilis saqme

ar gamoeZiebina da arc gamoiZies.

ruseTis interesSi arc im adamianebis

dakaveba Sedioda, romlebic

zelimxan xangoSvils TbilisSi

daesxnen Tavs, mkvlelebi

ar dauWeriaT.

mogexsenebaT, arCil tatunaSvili

rogori wamebiT mogvikles

okupantebma. am saqmis didi

gamoxmaurebis miuxedavad, Cvenma

xelisuflebam araferi gaake-

Ta mkvlelobis gamosaZieblad.

arc giga oTxozorias saqmeze

gadaudgams raRac qmediTi nabijebi

Cvens saxelmwifos. Sesabamisad,

ar mikvirs, Jurnalist

giorgi gabuniasTan dakavSirebul

saqmeze „qarTuli ocnebis”

warmomadgenlebi rusebsa da kadirovs

rom ar axseneben.

aucileblad unda vTqvaT,

rom giorgi gabunias SemTxveva-

Si movlenebi sul sxvanairad

ganviTarda. aq moxerxda danaSaulis

aRkveTa. amisTvis Cveni specsamsaxurebi

madlobas imsaxureben,

magram aq aucilebelia

erTi detalis aRniSvna: miuxedavad

imisa, rom gabunia realuri

safrTxis qveS iyo, susma is saqmis

kursSi ar Caayena.

_ wesiT, xom unda Caeyenebi-

na?

_ ra Tqma unda. saqarTvelo-

Si aris specialuri programa,

romelic waagavs mowmeTa dacvis

programas. rodesac adamians safrTxe

emuqreba, saxelmwifo

valdebulia, mas dacva dauniSnos.

yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT,

bedukaZes dauniSnes,

bolos da bolos, dacva.

_ bedukaZesTan eseni valSi

arian, gabuniam kidev putins

agina.

_ aq mniSvneloba ar aqvs, ras

warmoadgens bedukaZe an vin agina

putins, mTavari isaa, rom saxelmwifo

valdebulia, misi yvela

moqalaqe daicvas safrTxisgan.

amisTvis nebismieri resursi

unda gamoiyenos. giorgi gabunias

isic ki ar uTxres, rom mis

sicocxles safrTxe emuqreboda.

zviad kuprava:

`eka beseliam

bodiSi mainc

moixados,

jaSuSebis

politpatimrebad

Seracxvis

medroSe iyo~

ukrainuli specsamsaxurebi

rom ara, SesaZloa, yvelaferi

cudad dasrulebuliyo. ukrainul

specsamsaxurebs, Tavis mxriv,

informacia amerikeli kolegebisgan

hqondaT. amerikulma specsamsaxurebma

ukrainaSi rom magrad

imuSaves, es Tavad kievmac

aRiara. samwuxarod, ukrainuli

specsamsaxurebi axla im doneze

ar arian, rom msgavsi specoperaciebi

Caataron. maT damoukideblad

ar ZaluZT qveyanaSi ruse-

Tis dazvervis saqmianobis srulad

gaSifvra, amaSi vaSingtoni

exmareba.

swored amerikelebis damsaxurebaa

bikovis gaSifvra saqar-

TveloSi; amerikelebma gaSifres

aseve TbilisSi, gabriel salosis

quCaze axmed Cataevis yofnis

ambavi. maT mosTxoves qarTvel

kolegebs, msoflios erT-erTi

pirveli teroristis winaaRmdeg

specoperacia CaetarebinaT. mar-

Talia, qarTulma specsamsaxurma

bikovi daakava, magram Cven ar

viciT, amerikelebi da ukrainelebi

rom ara, Tavidan Tu avicilebdiT

imas, risi gakeTebac ruseTsa

da kadirovs hqondaT dagegmili.

bolo wlebSi gaxmaurebul

saqmeebs Tu gadavavlebT

Tvals, vnaxavT, rom saqarTvelos

mis teritoriaze rusuli

specsamsaxurebis saqmianoba sakuTari

iniciativiT ar gamoua-

Skaravebia. gavixseneb 2006 wlis

Semodgomas, maSin qarTulma specsamsaxurebma

sakuTari iniciativiT

gamoavlines saqarTvelo-

Si rusuli agenturuli qseli.

dRes msgavss iniciativebs veRar

ixilavT. es Zalian cudia, ase Rirseul

saxelmwifos ver avaSenebT.

_ garda imisa, rom xelisu-

fleba ruseTis gakritikebas

ver bedavs, isini opoziciisken

iSveren xels da amtkiceben, rom

gabunias mkvleloba maT desta-

bilizaciis mosawyobad surdaT.

_ es aris mavnebluri politika.

es im gancxadebis gagrZelebaa,

romelic cota xnis winaT

qeTevan cixelaSvilma gaakeTa, _

marTalia, rusebi Cvens teritoriebs

Robaven, samagierod, mSvidoba

gvaqvso.

_ teritoriebis dakargvas

mSvidoba rogor SeiZleba, erq-

vas?

`giorgi gabunias SemTxvevaSi movlenebi sul

sxvanairad ganviTarda. aq moxerxda danaSaulis

aRkveTa. amisTvis Cveni specsamsaxurebi

madlobas imsaxureben, magram aq aucilebelia

erTi detalis aRniSvna: miuxedaavad imisa, rom

gabunia realuri safrTxis qveS iyo, susma is

saqmis kursSi ar Caayena~

_ aSkaraa, rom am qals warmodgenac

ar aqvs, Tu ras niSnavs

mSvidoba. mas omi mxolod atomuri

bombis Camogdeba hgonia. am

situaciaSi mTavari ambavi isaa,

rom ruseTs Cveni teritoriebi

miaqvs. maT es miwebi arc samarTlebrivad

ekuTvniT da arc _ istoriulad.

aseT viTarebaSi mSvidobaze

laparaki ar SeiZleba.

_ maTTvis mSvidoba, albaT,

mxolod isaa, rom Tavad da bi-

Zina ivaniSvili iyvnen mSvidad

da kargad.

_ raxan ruseTi Worvilas ar

epotineba, es imas ar niSnavs, rom

aq yvelaferi kargad aris da mSvidoba

gvaqvs.

_ ise, Worvilaze wapotineba

Zalian martivad SeuZlia rus-

eTs, okupirebuli cxinvalis

regionidan SeiZleba ivaniSvi-

lis sofelSi gadmosvla.

_ saCxere esazRvreba cxinvalis

regions. agvistos omis

Semdeg saCxeris teritoriis nawili,

maT Soris, sofeli perevi,

rusebma waiRes. am TemasTan

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aRmaSenebli sanam mefe gaxdeboda,

giorgi WyondidelTan er-

Tad sacolis mosanaxuleblad

wavida. iq daviTs xmali mohpares

da amis gamo momavali mefe

Zalian Seuracxyofili iyo.

roca ukan brundebodnen, Zalian

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hkiTxa, _ saidan daviwyo

xmlis dabrunebao? Wyondidelma

upasuxa, _ Cven unda daviwyoT

Rirsebis aRdgeniT, roca Rirsebas

davibrunebT, maSin xmalsac

davibrunebT da dakargul teritoriebsaco.

yvelafris jaWvi

Rirsebaze gadis. israeli Cvenze

didi araa, magram Zalian Zlieria,

radgan Rirseuli qveyanaa.

mas veravin gaubedavs erTi goji

miwis warTmevas. Cveni qveyana ki,

rogorc irakli oqruaSvilma

ganacxada, „praxadnoi dvorad”

gadaiqca.

samwuxarod, dRes saqarTveloSi

ucxo qveynis specsamsaxurebs

roca undaT, maSin Semodian

da gadian. ra specoperaciac

undaT, imas atareben Cvens

teritoriaze. gavixsenoT, Tun-

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alievma ukve gaaTavisufla cixidan,

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TbilisSi misi gatacebis

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afgan muxTarlis.

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msubuqi yofaqcevis qaliviT

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Cvens teritoriaze saqmianobs.

Tu gvinda, rom saxelmwifo

gvqondes, aseTi ram ar unda davuSvaT.

wina xelisuflebasTan

sazogadoebas Zalian bevri pretenzia

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davabralebT, rom Cvens teritoriaze

ucxo qveynebis specsamsaxurebi

TareSobdnen.

_ maSin aseTi TareSi marTla

ar yofila. qarTuli specsamsaxurebi

ruseTis mier okupire-

bul afxazeTsa da cxinvalSi

atarebdnen specoperaciebs. cx-

invalis regionSi Catarebuli

specoperaciis dros daakaves

qarTvelebis seriuli mkvleli,

marek dudaevi, romelic Semdeg

saocnebo xelisuflebam gamo-

uSva.

_ dudaevis dakaveba mxolod

erTi ambavia. okupirebul afxazeTSi

uamravi specoperacia

Caatares saqarTvelos specsamsaxurebma.

afxazeTSi Tu romelime

eTnikur qarTvels okupanti

Seawuxebda, maT aucileblad

gaecemodaT pasuxi. maSin iq Cveni

moqalaqeebis ufleba da

Rirseba daculi iyo. okupantebmac

icodnen da afxazebmac, rom

aravis SerCeboda qarTvelebisTvis

zedmeti sityvis Tqma. amis

gakeTebas verc veravin bedavda.

vinc gabeda, maT winaaRmdeg specoperacia

Catarda. teroristebi

gadmohyavdaT saqarTvelos

kontrolirebad teritoriaze

da Semdeg Cveni kanonmdeblobis

Sesabamisad asamarTlebdnen maT.

_ axla is xalxi cixeSia, vinc

okupirebul teritoriebze specoperaciebs

atarebda da teroristebs

akavebda. es adamiane-

bi gisosebs miRma saqarTvelos

xelisuflebam Casva.

_ okupirebul teritoriebze

specoperaciebis Catarebis mimarTulebiT

nomer pirvel iyo

roma SamaTava. is sxva biWebTan

erTad zis cixeSi. maT mxolod

imitom sjian, rom ruseTs aamon.

sxva axsnas maT dakavebas, ubralod,

ver vuZebni. samagierod, sxvadasxva

qveynis jaSuSebi „ocnebam”

politpatimrebad Seracxa

da cixidan gamouSva.

_ aseTi statusi bevrma

agentma miiRo: Skrilnikovma,

Caxalianma...

_ maTi CamoTvla Sors wagviyvans.

Zalian bevri jaSuSi gaaTavisufles.

araTanmimdevruli

politika gatarda wlebis ganmavlobaSi

da dRes swored am politikis

Sedegebs vimkiT. jaSuSebis

politpatimrebad Seracxvis

erT-erTi mTavari medroSe cdilobs,

ukve opoziciis flangidan

aqtiurobas da „qarTul ocnebas”

akritikebs.

_ eka beseliaze saubrobT?

_ eka beseliaze mogaxsenebT.

_ marTla Seuracxmyofelia,

roca eka beselia „qarTuli

ocnebis”

usamarTlobaze

saubrobs.

_ ra Tqma unda, Seuracxmyofelia.

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`okupirebul afxazeTSi uamravi specoperacia Caatares saqarTvelos

specsamsaxurebma. afxazeTSi Tu romelime eTnikur qarTvels okupanti

Seawuxebda, maT aucileblad gaecemodaT pasuxi. maSin iq Cveni moqalaqeebis

ufleba da Rirseba daculi iyo. okupantebmac icodnen da afxazebmac, rom

aravis SerCeboda qarTvelebisTvis zedmeti sityvis Tqma~

bas aqvs mexsiereba da yvelas yyvelaferi

kargad axsovs. aravis

araferi dagvviwyebia. yvelafers

xom aqvs sazRvari? eka beseliam

is mainc gaakeTos, rom bodiSi

mogvixados imisTvis, rac daaSava.

_ Tavis danaSauls verafer-

Si xedavs.

_ ras hqvia, ver xedavs?! eka

beseliam jaSuSebi politpatimrebad

gamoacxada. amiT erT an

or adamians ki ar gaukeTa cudi,

aramed qveynis usafrTxoebas

Seuqmna problemebi. man saxelmwifos

mimarT gamoiCina mtruli

damokidebuleba.

_ imdenad saeWvo xalxi Seiw-

yala „beseliam da kompaniam”,

rom es ambavi maSindelma Sina-

gan saqmeTa ministrma irakli

RaribaSvilmac ki gaaprotesta.

_ RaribaSvilic ki mixvda, ra

donis problemebi eqmneboda saxelmwifos,

magram es iyo „ocnebis”

politika. amaze biZina ivaniS-

`RaribaSvilic ki mixvda, ra donis problemebi

eqmneboda saxelmwifos, magram es iyo `ocnebis~

politika. amaze biZina ivaniSvils hqonda

mwvane anTebuli. eka beselia aseT rames

sakuTari iniciativiT ver gaakeTebda da arc

gaakeTebinebdnen. biZinam icoda, rom am

davalebis erT-erTi saukeTeso Semsrulebeli

es qali iqneboda. manac pirnaTlad Seasrula

davaleba. gavimeoreb, rom zustad amis

Sedegia, rac dRes xdeba qveyanaSi~

vils hqonda mwvane anTebuli. eka

beselia aseT rames sakuTari iniciativiT

ver gaakeTebda da arc

gaakeTebinebdnen. biZinam icoda,

rom am davalebis erT-erTi

saukeTeso Semsrulebeli es

qali iqneboda. manac pirnaTlad

Seasrula davaleba. gavimeoreb,

rom zustad amis Sedegia, rac

dRes xdeba qveyanaSi.

Cvenma organizaciam seriozulad

imuSava „ocnebis” politpatimrebis

Temaze. yvela maTganis

saqme SeviswavleT. detalurad

gaviareT, vin risTvis ixdida

sasjels, ramdenad sworad

daakaves isini da a. S. am muSaobis

procesSi iseTi faqtebi amovarda,

gagikvirdebaT, _ imaze

ufro sensaciuri, vidre Caxalianis

ganTavisufleba iyo. samudamo

hqonda adamians misjili

da amaT gaaTavisufles. „ocnebam”

cixidan gauSva is adamiani,

visac kilogramobiT narkotikuli

saSualeba amouRes. saqmeSi

mtkicebulebis saxiT ido manqanidan

amoRebuli narkotikebi.

motoris erT-erTi nawilidan amoiRes

ramdenime kilogrami heroini.

yvelaferi videofirzea

gadaRebuli. es videomtkicebulebebi

saqmes Tan erTvis, romlis

Tanaxmad, Cxrekas eswreba

patroni. rodesac misi manqanidan

narkotiki amoiRes, mas

aranairi pretenzia ar gamouxatavs.

Cemi manqanidan rom amoiRon

Cadebuli narkotikebi, xom vityvi,

rom Cemi araa?! is adamiani

ki arafers ambobs. ar uaryofs,

rom es saqoneli misia. xelisuflebis

Secvlis Semdeg „ocnebam”

imis mtkiceba daiwyo, rom

mas narkotiki samarTaldamcvelebma

Caudes.

_ es adamiani politpatimris

statusiT gamouSves.

_ diax, politpatimris statusi

mianiWes. maRali Tanamdebobis

pirebis araTanmimdevruli

politikis Sedegia is, rac dRes

qveyanaSi xdeba. am politikis

wyalobiT safrTxis qveS mxolod

giorgi gabunia ki ara, saqarTvelos

TiTqmis yvela moqalaqe

dgas.

_ maT Soris, xelisuflebis

wevrebic.

_ nebismier moqalaqes SeiZleba

Seeqmnas safrTxe, Tu mis mimarT

vinmes pretenzia gauCndeba.

saqarTvelos moqalaqes SeiZleba,

ucxo qveynis warmomadgenelmac

gausworos angariSi. magali-

Tad, kadirovs gauCnda pretenzia

gabunias mimarT da dRes misi

likvidaciis realuri safrTxea.

_ saqarTveloSi arCevnebis

win yovelTvis iZabeba situacia.

axla ra gvelodeba? rogorc

TqviT, dRes saqarTvelos nebi-

smieri moqalaqe safrTxis

winaSe dgas.

_ giorgi gabunias Sesaxeb,

pirvel rigSi, isaa dasadgeni,

misi mkvlelobis SekveTa aris Tu

ara mis gamonaTqvamebTan kavSir-

Si? ufro cudi zraxvebi xom ar

hqonda ruseTs? _ winasaarCevno

destabilizacias vgulisxmob. am

kiTxvas mxolod specsamsaxurebi

upasuxeben da imedia, maTgan

ganmartebebs movismenT. saxelmwifo

valdebulia, ara marto

aicilos misi moqalaqis mkvleloba,

aramed Cahyves am saqmes

bolomde da gaarkvios danaSaulis

namdvili motivi. minda

mjerodes, rom daideba daskvna,

ra mizniT afaTurebda xelebs

ruseTi saqarTvelos saSinao

saqmeebSi.

Cven araerTi destabilizaciis

momswreni varT. yvela maTgani

ruseTidan modioda. yvela es

destabilizacia Semdeg kremlma

sakuTari miznebis gansaxorcieleblad

gamoiyena. amitom

aqvs didi mniSvneloba motivis

dadgenas. SemTxveviTi araa, rom

es yvelaferi saparlamento

arCevnebis win xdeba. arCevnebamde

sul ramdenime Tvea darCenili.

gabuniaze Tavdasxma rom ganxorcielebuliyo,

es sazogadoebaSi

seriozul ryevebs gamoiwvevda.

marTla Zalian kargia,

rom Cvenma specsamsaxurebma Se-

Zles am danaSaulis aRkveTa.

CemTvis ar aqvs mniSvneloba, Tu

vin aris xelisuflebis saTaveSi.

CemTvis mTavaria, saqarTveloSi

iyos stabiluri garemo.

irakli kobaxiZis mtkicebiT,

gabuniaze Tavdasxma da Semdgomi

destabilizacia opozicias

awyobda. imedi maqvs, saqarTveloSi

mis sityvebs seriozulad

aravin aRiqvams. opozicias araferSi

awyobs destabilizacia. me,

rogorc opoziciis warmomadgeneli,

geubnebiT, rom dRes

CvenTvis mTavari aris stabiluri

garemo. yvelanairi destabilizacia

miuRebelia, miT umetes,

Tu es mtrulad ganwyobili saxelmwifosgan

modis. is, rom saprotesto

aqcia imarTeba, amas arastabilur

garemod ver miviCnevT.

saqarTveloSi aqciebi tardeboda,

tardeba da momavalSic

Catardeba. aseTi aqciebi msoflios

yvela normalur qveyanaSi

imarTeba. xelisuflebis mimarT

protestis gamoxatva demokratiis

gamovlinebaa.

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ra akavSirebT erTmaneTTan

saakaSvilsa da ivaniSvils? ratom

ar ekontaqtebian erTmaneTs

eleqtronuli saSualebe-

biT? ra gegma aqvs amerikul

politikur elitas? ratom ar

Rirs saparlamento arCevnebis

gadadeba? raze moeTaTbira

„ocnebis” lideri yofili xe-

lisuflebis warmomadgenlebs?

_ am Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+~s

mirian mirianaSvili esaubre-

ba:

_ SarSan „gavrilovis RamiT”

aRSfoTebuli xalxis risxva

rom gaeneitralebina, ivaniS-

vilma piroba dado, 2020 wlis

saparlamento arCevnebi sru-

lad proporciuli wesiT

Catardebao. Tumca Semodgo-

maze misma gundma es cvlileba

Caagdo, dRes isev uwevs am cv-

lilebebze muSaoba. ra egona,

rom am gadagdebas an dasavle-

Ti gautarebda, an _ qarTuli

sazogadoeba?

_ me cota gansxvavebuli versia

maqvs imasTan dakavSirebiT,

Tu ratom dado „qarTuli ocnebis”

liderma aseTi piroba: is

paketi, rac gasuli wlis 24 ivniss

biZina ivaniSvilma gamoitana,

gankuTvnili iyo amerikuli

politikuri elitisTvis. amiT

man prezentireba gaukeTa mocemulobas

da ara quCaSi gamosul

xalxs. im dros mocemuloba

iyo sul sxva da am mocemulobas

kargad flobda „qarTuli

ocnebis” lideri. isic kargad

icoda, Tu rogor SeefuTa

e. w. politikuri SeTanxmeba. sinamdvileSi,

amiT man vaSingtons

uTxra, rom is ar apirebs, politikuri

saWe xisti karCaketilobisken

miatrialos.

_ xalxmravali aqcia arafer

SuaSia? saarCevno kanonmde-

blobis cvlilebis iniciativa

xalxis daSoSminebas ar isaxav-

da miznad?

_ ara, es iniciativa aqciis

monawileebs Seexo mxolod gavliT.

maSin ivaniSvilma amerikelebis

qarTul politikaSi Car-

Tulobis xarisxidan gamomdinare

miiRo gadawyvetileba.

man droTa ganmavlobaSi dainaxa,

rom es CarTuloba izrdeboda.

zrdis tempma iseT masStabebs

miaRwia, rom is SiSma Seipyro.

_ risi SeeSinda ivaniSvils?

_ ifiqra, xelisuflebas xom

ar marTmeveno. kargad mesmis,

rom qarTuli sazogadoebisTvis

politikuri realoba cota sxva

aris, sinamdvileSi ki is sul

sxvaa. sazogadoeba politikur

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`qarTulma ocnebam~ arCevnebis

„nacionaluri moZraobis” dam-

Sorena marsagiSvili

fuZnebeli mirian mirianaSvili

599 92 16 22 amtkicebs, rom 2002 wels saakaS-

mirian

vilma mas partia biZina ivaniSvi-

lis daxmarebiT waarTva da aqedan moyolebuli saqarTvelos

„qarTuli ocnebis” lideri marTavs. mirianaSvili fiqrobs, rom

mas Semdeg, rac amerikuli politikuri elita saqarTveloSi

mimdinare saarCevno procesebSi CaerTo, aq bevri ram Seicvle-

ba. igi varaudobs, rom „ocnebisa” da „nacionalebis” mier Te-

atralizebuli dapirispireba Sedegs ver gamoiRebs, radgan am

qveynis mosaxleobis did nawils ise unda xelisuflebidan „qo-

cebis” gaSveba, rom „nacebi” ukan aRar dabrundnen.

suraTs iseTs Rebulobs, rogoric

propagandis meSveobiT uyalibdeba.

pirdapir Tu iribad

ivaniSvili saqarTvelos 18 weliwadia,

rac marTavs.

_ 18 weliwadi ranairad mar-

Tavs?

_ ranairad da Cveulebrivad.

miSa saakaSvili biZina ivaniSvilis

„pirveli gaxaria” iyo. bevrs

ar moewoneba es Sefaseba, magram

am yvelaferma Cem Tvalwin gaiara.

„nacionaluri moZraoba” me

davafuZne da danamdvilebiT

vici, Tu vin wamarTva 18 wlis

winaT partia. detalurad vici,

vin daafinansa partiis yriloba

da partiis wevrebi vin da

rogor gadaibira.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom biZina

ivaniSvilma gaakeTa es?

_ diax, biZina ivaniSvilma wamarTva

partia da igi mixeil saakaSvils

gadasca. im droisTvis

mesame prezidentis administraciuli

da finansuri resursi

aseTi RonisZiebebisTvis sakmarisi

ar iyo. 2002 wels saakaSvili

finansurad Zlieri ar gaxldaT.

maSin politikuri bataliebi

midioda „qarTuli ocnebis”

lidersa da badri patarkaciSvils

Soris. maTi legaluri

dasayrdenebi iyvnen miSa saakaSvili

da zurab Jvania. biZina mi-

Sas eyrdnoboda, badri _ Jvanias.

is zewola, romelic axla

amerikelebma biZina ivaniSvilze

ganaxorcieles, gaxlavT eqskluziuri

mocemuloba. amiT

daimsxvra is realoba, romelic

bolo 20 wlis manZilze saqar-

TveloSi iyo gabatonebuli.

„ocnebis” liderisTvis advili

araa am asparezis daTmoba. cdilobs,

amas winaaRmdegoba gauwios.

pirdapir winaaRmdegobas

ver bedavs da irib gzebs mimar-

Tavs. es asparezi, romelic dRes

aqvs, politikurad rom daTmos,

ekonomikuri daTmobazec mouwevs

wasvla.

saarCevno kanonmdebloba ori

didi intrigis mZevali gaxda:

intriga nomeri pirveli is gaxlavT,

rom qarTul politikaSi

CarTuli personebisTvis gaugebaria

amerikelebis saboloo

gegma da qarTul politikaSi ma-

Ti CarTulobis saboloo mas-

Stabi. ar ician, ra unda da sadamdea

wamsvleli vaSingtoni. ver

xvdebian, amerikelebi Zalauflebis

nawils arTmeven, Tu

srulad? meore intrigac Zalian

mniSvnelovania: sadamde wava

biZina ivaniSvili Tavisi rolisa

da mdgomareobis gaTvaliswine-

mirianaSvili:

`saakaSvili

da ivaniSvili

Suamavlebis

meSveobiT

komunicireben~

biT? am ori intrigis fargleb-

Si ibadeba axali politikuri

realoba. roca ivaniSvili am realobaSi

gadadioda, mas bokeriasTan

da „nacmoZraobasTanac”

hqonda konsultaciebi. es yvelaferi

moqmedi da yofili xelisuflebebis

interesebis Car-

CoebSi gatarda. arCevnebi Tu

srulad proporciuli sistemiT

Catardeboda, asparezze gamovidodnen

2 da 3-kaciani partiebi.

maTi biTumad yidva „ocnebis”

liderisTvis ufro advili

iyo, vidre _ mdidari maJoritarebis.

bevri maJoritari imis

gamo ki ar uyurebda momavals

eWvis TvaliT, rom aq dasavle-

Ti Semodioda, isini fiqrobdnen,

ivaniSvilis TvalSi politikur

saWiroebas rom dakargavdnen,

Semdeg TiToeul maTganze

xisti ekonomikuri zewola

ganxorcieldeboda.

_ Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, ra

gzebiT aqvT am maJoritarebs

fuli naSovni, alali iqneboda

maTze ekonomikuri saxis zewo-

la.

_ Tavad yvelaze ukeT ician,

ra gziT iSoves fuli da ra Sei-

Zleba mohyves imas, Tu isini

politikurad saWironi aRar

iqnebian, amitom wavidnen cvlilebis

winaaRmdegi. isini verafriT

dauSvebdnen, rom

ivaniSvilis TvalSi politikuri

saWiroeba daekargaT. am dros

amerikelebis CarTuloba qarTul

politikaSi geometriuli

progresiiT gaizarda. miviReT

is mocemuloba, rom ivaniSvilis,

rogorc moderatoris

funqcia, dartymis qveS dgeboda.

es safrTxe yvelaze adre

Tavad gaacnobiera. erTkaciani

`miSa saakaSvili biZina ivaniSvilis `pirveli

gaxaria~ iyo. bevrs ar moewoneba es Sefaseba,

magram am yvelaferma Cem Tvalwin gaiara.

`nacionaluri moZraoba~ me davafuZne da

danamdvilebiT vici, Tu vin wamarTva 18 wlis

winaT partia. detalurad vici, vin daafinansa

partiis yriloba da partiis wevrebi vin da

rogor gadaibira~

partiebiT dakompleqtebuli

parlamentis gadabireba ufro

advili iqneboda. amas mixvda

ivaniSvili da modeli, romelic

TviTon SesTavaza amerikelebs,

misTvis kategoriulad miuRebeli

gaxda. Riad amaze uars ver

ityoda. Sesabamisad, miviReT iribi

winaaRmdegobis mcdelobebi.

amerika amas ar gaatarebda, am

SemTxvevaSi Cvens politkaSi

maTi politikuri elitaa CarTuli

da ara komikuri meTiu

braiza. roca saqmeSi respublikuri

partiis elitaruli

senatorebi arian CarTulebi, iq

sityvis gatexa, dapirispireba,

paeqroba da tyuilebis mogoneba

seriozul problemebs qmnis.

amerikelebma Zalian kargad

ician, ra xdeba „qarTul ocneba-

Si”, isic ician, rom am partiidan

aravin wasula demarSiT. gedevan

fofxaZe, eka beselia da sxvebi

rom amboben, cvlilebebs xmas ar

mivcemTo, eg biZinasTan aris

SeTanxmebuli. ramdenadac CemTvis

cnobilia undaT, rom es cvlilebebi

meore mosmenis dros

Cavardes.

_ ra moxdeba, Tu Caagdeben?

_ maSin amerikelebi Zalian

motivirebulad mosTxoven pasuxs

„qarTuli ocnebis” liders.

„nacebsa” da „evronacebs”,

sul raRac, 27 kaci hyavT parlamentSi.

mmarTvel partias am

cvlilebebis misaRebad sakmarisze

meti xalxi hyavs. cvlilebis

Cavardnis gamo pasuxs

mosTxoven piradad ivaniSvils

da is amis Sesaxeb amerikelebma

privatulad ukve gaafrTxiles.

_ e. i. aRar unda awyobdes

ivaniSvils am cvlilebebis

Cagdeba.

_ ramdenadac vici, axla ivaniSvili

cdilobs, amerikelebTan

dialogSi Sevides, maT Soris,

saarCevno kanonmdeblobis Temazec.

surs, rom vaSingtonma is

morigebis garkveul subieqtad

aRiaros.

_ mas aseTad ar miiCnevs vaS-

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gadadebaze arc unda ifiqros~

ingtoni?

_ ara. ivaniSvili cdilobs,

rom isini misiT dainteresdnen.

amitom aris mTeli yuradReba

meore mosmenaze gadatanili.

_ e. i. am cvlilebebiT

vaWrobs, raTa amerikelebi mas-

Tan salaparakod dasxdnen.

_ am sityvis gamoyeneba ar

minda. ramdenadac vici, amerikul

mxares masTan am Temaze diskusia

ar aqvs. ivaniSvils imedi

hqonda, rom amis mandati eqneboda

amerikis elCsac. is komunikacias

elis. meti bataliebis

gamarTva misgan ar Rirs. cvlilebebi

Tu Cavarda, vaSingtoni

amas ukve pirad gamowvevad

aRiqvams.

_ savaraudod, arc upasuxod

datovebs.

_ savaraudod ki ara, garantirebulad

miiRebs „qarTuli

ocneba” pasuxs. oRond amas aRar

miecema sajaro diskusiebis forma

_ amerikelebi ukve saqmeze

gadavlen. senatsa da kongresSi

aranairi gamosvlebi aRar iqneba,

arc kritikul werilebs gamoagzavnian.

Cven miviRebT aseT

realobas, _ saqme laparakis

nacvlad.

_ sadamde SeiZleba mivides

saqme?

_ SesaZloa, uSualod sanqciebis

daweseba dadges dRis

wesrigSi. amerikelebs ukve Zalian

xisti damokidebuleba aqvT

aq mimdinare procesebis mimarT.

_ saubris dasawyisSi Tqven

TqviT, rom ivaniSvilisTvis

„pirveli gaxaria” saakaSvili

iyoo. isini wlebis manZilze ka-

rgad TanamSromlobdnen. axla

ra xdeba maT Soris? isev xom

ar ipovian saerTo enas, rog-

orc es 18 wlis winaT moxda?

_ bevrisTvis arasasaimovno

rame minda vTqva, es arc „nacebs”

moewonebaT da arc _ „qocebs”:

ivaniSvilsa da saakaSvils saer-

To enis gamonaxva ar sWirdebaT,

maT es ena arasdros daukargavT.

_ axlac aqvT urTierToba?

_ maT Soris komunikacia axlac

aris.

_ raRac, daujerebelia es

ambavi.

_ ratom aris daujerebeli?

araerTi faqti miuTiTebs imaze,

rom maT Soris dRemde aris komunikacia.

_ ra faqtebi miuTiTebs

amaze? SegiZliaT, CamoTvaloT?

_ pirvel rigSi is, rom 2012

wlis Semdeg saqarTveloSi seriozuli

politikuri dapirispireba

ar yofila.

_ rogor ar yofila, ramden-

jer daayares erTmaneTs gind

parlamentSi, gind _ parlamen-

tis miRma.

_ eg aris Teatralizebuli

Sexla-Semoxlebi. me seriozul

politikur bataliebze vsaubrob.

aseT rames 2012 wlis oqtombris

Semdeg saqarTveloSi veRar

ixilavdiT. maT Soris iyo

kamaTic, Cxubic, lanZRvac-ginebac,

magram es yovelive ar gas-

`garantirebulad miiRebs `qarTuli ocneba~ pasuxs. oRond amas aRar miecema

sajaro diskusiebis forma - amerikelebi ukve saqmeze gadavlen. senatsa da

kongresSi aranairi gamosvlebi aRar iqneba, arc kritikul werilebs

gamoagzavnian. Cven miviRebT aseT realobas, - saqme laparakis nacvlad.

SesaZloa, uSualod sanqciebis daweseba dadges dRis wesrigSi. amerikelebs

ukve Zalian xisti damokidebuleba aqvT aq mimdinare procesebis mimarT~

cdenia sauSao dRis wesrigs.

_ amaze dayrdnobiT ambobT,

rom miSasa da biZinas Soris

komunikaciaa?

_ 8 wlis manZilze rom seriozuli

konfliqti ar iqneba or

dapirispirebul Zalas Soris,

ucnauri ambavia. es partiis

liderebis seriozuli komunikaciis

gareSe, ubralod, warmoudgenelia.

meti damatebiTi

mtkicebuleba, mgoni, saWiro

aRar aris.

_ arada, cudi ar iqneboda

damatebiTi mtkicebulebebis

mosmena.

_ ki batono, getyviT: miSa

saakaSvili da biZina ivaniSvili

Suamavlebis meSveobiT esaubrebian

erTmaneTs.

_ Suamavlebis meSveobiT ra-

tom?

_ eleqtronuli komunikaciebiT

sargeblobisgan Tavs ikaveben.

_ ra mizeziT? eSiniaT, rom

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maT saubars vinme moismens?

_ Tundac! maT Soris rom

dRemde arsebobs komunikacia,

es cudi sulac ar aris. bolos

da bolos, TeTr saxlsa da

kremls Soris iyo wiTeli telefoni,

romelic krizisebis eskalaciis

SemTxvevaSi rekavda. mag

telefonis meSveobiT ganimuxta

karibis krizisi.

_ aseTi komunikacia Sevard-

naZesa da saakaSvils Sorisac

iyo, miuxedavad imisa, rom ed-

uardi revoluciis gziT

gaagdes.

_ rasakvirvelia. saqarTveloSi

afiSirebuli dapirispireba

araafiSirebul mWidro komunikacias

niSnavs. saakaSvili-ivani-

Svilis urTierToba siaxle araa

qarTul politikaSi. marTalia,

erTmaneTs mwvaved akritikebdnen,

magram SevardnaZesa da aslan

abaSiZes Soris, sinamdvileSi,

aranairi dapirispireba ar yofila.

`trampi saqarTvelos saqmeebSi wamyvani araa.

saqarTvelos saqmeebs amerikuli politikuri

elitis CarCoebSi alagebs respublikuri

partiis senatorTa jgufi. politikur

mocemulobasac isini ayalibeben, strategiasac

da taqtikasac. amitom trampi moigebs Tu

waagebs, aq mocemuloba ar Seicvleba~

_ ivaniSvilsa da saakaSvils

davubrundebi: Tu komunicireben,

ase ratom lanZRaven erT-

maneTs?

_ SeeZloT, ufro koreqtulebi

yofiliyvnen, magram etyoba,

ase moswonT. saqarTveloSi Tu

axal politikur modelze gadavida

situacia, amis msxverpli

iqneba rogorc biZina ivaniSvilis

„qarTuli ocneba”, aseve

mixeil saakaSvilis „nacionaluri

moZroba”. bolo rva wlis

manZilze am politikuri modelis

benefiacirebi iyvnen mxolod

egeni. Zalauflebis centrebis

gadanawileba Tu gadawyda,

es moqmedi da yofili xelisuflebebis

xarjze moxdeba.

ucxoelebis mier Catarebuli

gamokvlevebis Sedegad, romelic

Zalian didi xnis manZilze

tardeboda, Camoyalibebulia

Teza _ saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

did nawils surs, ise Caexsnas

„qarTul ocnebas”, rom Zalaufleba

„nacionalur moZraobas”

ar gadaeces.

_ didi xania, xalxs aRarc

„naci” unda, aRarc „qoci”, ma-

gram ver iSorebs.

_ politikuri modeli iseTnairad

aawyves, rom Tu is ar

Seicvala, verc moviSorebT. am

mocemulobis Secvla qarTul

politikaSi mxolod amerikuli

politikuri elitis CarTulobis

gazrdiT SeiZleba. saWiroa

maTi idea-ganzraxulobebis Semotana.

saqarTveloSi arsebul

politikur partiebs am dinozavrebTan

Widaoba Zalian gauWirdebaT.

dRes saqarTveloSi,

sinamdvileSi, ukve moxda revolucia.

SeuiaraRebeli TvaliT

amis danaxva cota rTulia, magram

amas sruli pasuxismgeblobiT

geubnebiT.

_ ratom fiqrobT, rom saq-

arTveloSi revolucia ukve

moxda?

_ imitom, rom nebismier sivrceSi

amerikelebis CarTulobis

zrda niSnavs inovaciebsa da

axali realobis Camoyalibebas.

saqarTveloc am axali realobisken

midis. Tu ram konstanta

arsebobs politikaSi, es aris

amerikis gavlenebis dominanturi

da ucvleli saxe.

seriozuli bataliebi unda

daigegmos maSin maT winaaRmdeg.

veWvob, biZina ivaniSvilma amaze

wasvla gabedos. es aris gamoricxuli.

mesmis, rom misi momxreebi

im suraTs moeWidebian,

rac axla amerikaSia. maTi azriT,

trampi liberalebs rom daamarcxebs,

mere saqarTveloSic moigeriebs

maT Semotevas. is, vinc

ase fiqrobs, maT imedi unda gavucruo.

amerikis SeerTebuli

Statebis politikur elitaSi

saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT

didi xania, rac gamijvna moxda.

trampi saqarTvelos saqmeebSi

wamyvani araa. saqarTvelos

saqmeebs amerikuli politikuri

elitis CarCoebSi alagebs respublikuri

partiis senatorTa

jgufi. politikur mocemulobasac

isini ayalibeben, strategiasac

da taqtikasac. amitom

trampi moigebs Tu waagebs, aq

mocemuloba ar Seicvleba. Tu

Seicvala, kidev ufro mZafri

iqneba.

_ mZafri ratom iqneba?

_ iq politikuri elita ori

niSniT aris gayofili: respublikelebi

arian ruseTis mtrebi,

demokratebi ki putinis pirad

mtrebad miiCneven Tavs.

baidenis dajgufeba klintoniobamas

erTgavri klonia. imaT ra

antiputinuri muxtic aqvT, amaze

saubari zedmetia. es yvelafridan

Cans. baidenma Tu gaimarjva

da aqeT senatSi respublikelebi

iyvnen, mere naxeT presi

ruseTsa da mis mokavSireebze.

saarCevno kanonmdeblobaSi

cvlilebebis Cagdeba Zalian sariskoa,

amitom axla ivaniSvilma

arCevnebis gadadebis gza airCia.

Tavisi partiis warmomadgenlebs

gaaJRerebina informacia, rom

koronavirusis gamo SesaZloa,

saparlamento arCevnebis TariRma

gadaiwioso. sinamdvileSi,

arCevnebis gadatana koronas epidemias

saerTod ar ukavSirdeba.

3 noembers amerikaSi saprezidento

arCevnebi tardeba. „qar-

Tuli ocneba” cdilobs, rom aq

saparlamento arCevnebi am mniSvnelovani

movlenis Semdeg Caataros.

piradad me mas arCevnebis

gadadebas ar vurCevdi, radganac

3 noembris Semdeg mxolod

uaresi varianti iqneba.

_ uaress variantSi ras

gulisxmobT?

_ trampi Tu airCies, mocemuloba

igive darCeba; baideni Tu

movida, mocemuloba Seudareblad

damZimdeba.

_ visTvis damZimdeba?

_ ivaniSvilisTvis. amitom mas

ar unda awyobdes arCevnebis

gadadeba. ar minda vifiqro, rom

igi xavss eWideba. realoba Zalian

mwarea _ „qarTulma ocnebam”

arCevnebis gadadebaze arc unda

ifiqros.

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opoziciam Tbilisis 6 olqSi ma-

giorgi abaSiZe

Joritarobis kandidatebi daasaxela,

Tumca kandidatebis absoluturi

umravlesoba dominanti opoziciuri partiebis warmomad-

genelia, rac imas niSnavs, rom TbilisisTvis „Zala erTobaSias”

iseTi wevri, magaliTad, rogoric edp-a, ar ibrZolebs. ratom

miiRes aseTi gadawyvetileba da amasTan, moqmedebs Tu ara is

memorandumi, romelsac „Zala erTobaSias” wevrebma 2018 wlis

saprezidento arCevnebis win moaweres xeli da Tqves, rom sapa-

rlamento arCevnebze erTiani siiT gamovidodnen?

am da sxva aqtualur sakiTxebze

„qronika+~ „Zala erToba-

Sias” erT-erT liders, erovn-

ul-demokratiuli

partiis

Tavmjdomare baCuki qardavas

esaubra:

_ batono baCuki, rogor

moikoroneT?

_ sakmaod kargad.

_ xan kuboebiT gvemuqrebod-

nen, xan ki _ „meore talRiT” da

„sakmaod kargad” „mokoroneba”

ras niSnavs?

_ am periodSi piradi problemebi

mqonda _ mama gardamecvala

da sagangebo mdgomareobam Tu

komendantis saaTma ver SemaCera,

rom qalaqSi memoZrava, Tumca

korona arsad Semxvedria, gansakuTrebiT,

Ramis saaTebSi.

_ am fonze xom ar geCvenebaT,

rom xelisufleba yvelafers azviadebda

da koronas poli-

tikuri miznebisTvis iyenebda da

iyenebs?

_ ver vityvi, rom msoflio

pandemia TiTidan iyo gamowovili,

Tumca saqarTveloSi yvelafers

azviadeben da sargeblis naxvas

cdiloben. am SemTxvevaSic, swored

ase moxda, anu xelisuflebam

scada, rom koroniTac sargebeli

enaxa.

_ xelisufleba koronobiT

finansuri sargeblis naxvas

Seecada Tu politikuris?

_ orives erTad. amasTan, Seecada,

politikuri oponentebi daesustebina.

_ daasusta?

_ qarTvelebs kidev erTi seni

gvaxasiaTebs _ gadamlaSeba. „ocnebamac”

gadaamlaSa da politikuri

oponentebi ver daasusta.

_ „gadamlaSebaSi” ras gulisx-

mobT?

_ zomiereba xom araferSi gvaqvs

da igive komendantis saaTma

Tu sxva RonisZiebebma ekonomikasa

da TiToeuli ojaxis finansur

mdgomareobaze Zalian cudad

imoqmeda. ai, „gadamlaSebac”

amas hqvia.

_ sxvebis msgavsad, Tqvenc xom

ar fiqrobT, rom koronadax-

marebebiT „ocnebam” winasaarC-

evno kampania daiwyo?

_ daxmarebebis Sesaxeb, rac

globalurad unda ganxorcielebuliyo,

maincdamainc, ar msmenia,

Tumca calkeul SemTxvevebs, diax,

saarCevno interesebisTvis iyenebs!

_ e. i., korona arCevnebis win

„ocnebis mTavar mokavSired

iqca?

_ xelisuflebam scada, rom

korona misi mTavari mokavSire

gamxdariyo, magram bolo drois

politikur procesebs rom

vuyureb, „ocnebas” koronamac ver

uSvela!

_ bolo dros politikaSi

mniSvnelovani is moxda, rom

opoziciam Tbilisis 8 olqSi ma-

Joritarobis

kandidatebi

waradgina. amaze saubrobT?

_ opoziciis maJoritarobis

kandidatebis garda, SemiZlia,

eqskluziurad giTxraT, rom is

magida, romelic opoziciaSi arsebobs,

erTianobas inarCunebs,

anu is politikuri partiebic ki,

romlebic maJoritarebis wardgenaSi

ar iyvnen CarTulebi, mzad

arian, erTad iyon da magidas

arCevnebis Sedegebis dasrulebis

daTvlamde wertili ar daesmeva!

_ ver vxvdebi, „erTianobis

SenarCunebaSi” ras gulisxmobT,

miT umetes, cnobilia, rom

opozicias erTiani saarCevno sia

ar eqneba.

_ erTianobas es magida, rogorc

giTxariT, iqamde Seinar-

Cunebs, sanam qveyanaSi arCevnebis

Sedegebi sabolood ar daiTvleba,

anu Cven erTmaneTis xmebs davicavT

da es lamazad naTqvami sityvebi

araa. diax, ufro meti

meqanizmi Seiqmneba, rom xmebi davicvaT.

_ ise, am magidis mimarT

garkveuli kiTxvis niSnebi „kano-

ni da samarTlis” lider Tako

Carkvians aqvs.

_ diax, qalbaton Takos

zogjer Tavisi politikuri analizi

aqvs da es misi saqmea. realoba

ki isaa, rom am opoziciur

erTianobaze biZina ivaniSvils

eleTmeleTi emarTeba da ramdenime

dRis win maJoritari kandidatebis

dasaxelebiT, mgoni,

bolo imedic gadaewura, rom

opozicia daiSleboda.

_ CvenSi darCes da, Tbilisis

eqvs olqSi maJoritari kandi-

datebi „Zala erTobaSias” plat-

formaSi Semavali partiebidan

mxolod „nacmoZraobam” waradgina.

amas riT xsniT, batono baCu-

ki?

_ ratom mxolod „nacionalurma

moZraobam”? giorgi

vaSaZec xom „Zala erTobaSia”, magram

Tu yofil „nacionalebs”

gulisxmobT, maSin yofili „nacionali”

nino burjanaZecaa.

_ yofil „nacionalebs” ki ara,

imas vgulisxmob, rom magaliTad,

edp da kidev aTamde partia

„Zala erTobaSias” wevria, Tum-

ca maJoritarobis kandidatebi

mxolod „nacmoZraobidan” da

„axali saqarTvelodan” arian.

_ roca regionebze daiwyeba

saubari, edp-s ambiciac aqvs da

potenciac, rom Cveni pozicia

davicvaT, TbilisSi ki yvela

moTxovna dRis wesrigidan moxsnili

gvqonda.

baCuki qardava:

`vinmes tyuilad

hgonia, rom Tu

dRes politikur

partias Seqmnis,

xval xalxi

ixuvlebs da

xmas miscems~

_ ratom?

_ amis aucileblobas, ubralod,

ver vxedavT. dRes bevrad

mniSvnelovani isaa, rom opoziciuri

erToba SenarCunebuliyo da

amasTan, imis dro namdvilad araa,

modi, Zala movsinjoTo. dRes

mTavari amocana xelisuflebis

morigi cvlileba ki ara, xelisuflebidan

saqarTvelos erovnuli

interesebisadmi, praqtikulad,

mtrad Camoyalibebuli

oligarqis Camocilebaa. aseT

dros iseTi nabijebi unda gadavdgaT,

rac viwro partiul interesebze

maRla dgas!

_ batono baCuki, albaT,

gaigebdiT, rom Tako Carkvianma

saburTaloze maJoritarad sak-

uTari kandidatura daayena.

„Zala erTobaSia” an e. w. leiboristuli

magida Carkvians mx-

ars dauWers?

_ arc es da arc sxva magida

mxars ase aravis dauWers.

_ aba, rogor dauWers?

_ nebismier adamianze, vinc kandidatobis

survils gamoTqvams,

saubari iqneba da Tu kandidati

arCevnebis realuri momgebi da

ivaniSvilis realuri mowinaaRmdegea,

ra Tqma unda, mxars dauWers.

_ Tako Carkvians kenWisyra

gadawyvetili aqvs da amis Sesaxeb

socialur qselSi dawera, ma-

gram Tu Tqven mxars ar dauWerT,

ra gamova?

_ saburTalo da didube Riad

saTamaSod ki ara, imitom davtoveT,

Camoyalibebuli namdvilad

ar varT da opoziciisTvis

e. w. lufti arsebobs, anu es ori

olqi sazogadoebrivad aqtiuri

an politikis miRma myofi

pirovnebebisTvis davtoveT, vinc

opoziciis fass kidev ufro

gazrdis. vnaxoT, aseTi tipis adamiani

Tako iqneba Tu sxva vinme,

amaze vimuSavebT. sazogadoebas

erTi ram davanaxeT, rom opoziciaSi

konsensusi miRwevadia da es

viswavleT! saerTod, Tako

Carkvians did pativs vcem, Zalian

pragmatuli adamiania da politikaSic

misi pirveli nabijebi

aSkarad swori iyo. SeiZleba, Cemi

Sesafasebeli araa, magram es aplodismentebs

imsaxurebda, magram

xval da zeg ra nabijs gadadgams,

es ukve Takos arCevania. ar mgonia,

rom politikaSi uxeSi Secdomebi

dauSvas!

_ uxeS Secdomebze laparaki

araa, radgan Carkviani Tavidanve

ambobda, rom e. w. leiboristul

`saerTod, Tako Carkvians did pativs vcem,

Zalian pragmatuli adamiania da politikaSic

misi pirveli nabijebi aSkarad swori iyo.

SeiZleba, Cemi Sesafasebeli araa, magram es

aplodismentebs imsaxurebda, magram xval da

zeg ra nabijs gadadgams, es ukve Takos

arCevania. ar mgonia, rom politikaSi uxeSi

Secdomebi dauSvas!~

magidasTan opozicias, mxolod

da mxolod, proporciul

arCevnebze unda emsjela da ara

_ maJoritarebis saerTo kandi-

datebze, Tumca amaze saubari

Sors wagviyvans... ise, 2018 wlis

saprezidento arCevnebis win

„Zala erTobaSias” wevrma par-

tiebma memorandums moaweres

xeli, rac saparlamento arCevnebisTvis

am platformaSi Se-

mavali partiebisgan saerTo siis

dakompleqtebas iTvaliswinebda.

es SeTanxmeba isev ZalaSia, ba-

tono baCuki?

_ es sajaro RonisZieba iyo?

_ ra Tqma unda.

_ raRac ar maxsendeba.

_ SeiZleba, Tqven ar gaxsendebaT,

magram merwmuneT, „Zala er-

TobaSias” wevrebma zemoxsenebul

memorandums sajarod moawereT

xeli.

_ aseTi xelmowera, ra Tqma

unda, arsebobs da erTiani proporciuli

siis sakiTxi, praqtikulad,

gansazRvrulia. sxvaTa

Soris, maSin Cven jer kidev imedi

gvqonda, rom proporciuli sia

mTlianobaSi iqneboda, magram ase

ar moxda. saerTod, politikaSi

aseTi raRacebi xSiria.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ ai, magaliTad, ivaniSvilma

raRac Tqva, magram mere ukan

waiRo, Tumca imaze xelmowera,

rom ivaniSvilis xelisuflebidan

CamoSorebaSi erTad davdgebiT,

uryevia!

_ batono baCuki, Tu opozici-

is mTavari mizani ivaniSvilis

gundis xelisuflebidan CamoSo-

rebaa, maSin damisabuTeT, mTawmindaze

maJoritarad im adamianis

kandidatura ratom waradgina,

romelmac SarSan, lado kax-

aZesTan, meore turi waago?

_ „meore turi waago” cota

xmamaRali naTqvamia.

_ ratom?

_ 2018 wels xelisuflebam

gaimarjva da prezidentad udevT,

ukacravad, zis salome

zurabiSvili, magram sakamaToa,

prezidenti ramdenadaa.

_ SeiZleba, magram es ra Sua-

Sia?

_ imis Tqma minda, rom ivaniSvils

dRes is Zala da resursi

aRar gaaCnia, rac maSin hqonda.

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daTvlamde wertili ar daesmeva!~

`opoziciis maJoritarobis kandidatebis garda, SemiZlia, eqskluziurad giTxraT, rom is magida,

romelic opoziciaSi arsebobs, erTianobas inarCunebs, anu is politikuri partiebic ki, romlebic

maJoritarebis wardgenaSi ar iyvnen CarTulebi, mzad arian, erTad iyvnen!~

ivaniSvili gakotrebulia da mxolod

qveynis SigniT ki ara, gareTac

misi yvelanairi resursi

dasrulebulia! Sesabamisad, igi

arCevnebs veRar gaayalbebs!

_ vnaxoT, Tumca manamde kidev

erT sakiTxs Sevexebi _ „evropulma

saqarTvelom” sakonstitu-

cio cvlilebebis kenWisyraSi

monawileoba miiRo. es gadawyvetileba

leiboristebis magi-

daSi disonanss xom ar Seitans?

e. i., bokerias gundi giorgi ru-

ruas politpatimrad ar miiC-

nevs?

_ arc „evropul saqarTvelos”

gadavefarebi da arc _ sxva vinmes,

magram didi xania, micnobT da

erT rames gagimxelT.

_ ras?

_ gansakuTrebiT bolo periodSi

Cemi radikaluri poziciiT

namdvilad gamovirCevi.

_ anu?

_ yvela radikaluri zomisTvis

mzad viyavi, rom biZina ivaniSvili

xelisuflebaSi ar yofiliyo,

magram aris radikalizmi da

aseve aris Sedegze orientirebuli

radikalizmi. SeiZleba, mec

gamiCnda kiTxvis niSnebi, Tu ramdenad

swori iqneboda Cveni mxridan

burTisa da moednis ivaniSvilisTvis

datoveba, miuxedavad

imisa, rom ruruas ganTavisuflebis

moTxovna Sesrulebuli

araa da amaSi mxolod moraluri

faqtori ar arsebobs. moralureTikuri

momentia, roca or adamians

aTavisufleb, maSin mesamec

unda ganTavisufldes, magram

ivaniSvilma Segnebulad gadadga

es nabiji, rom rurua patimrobidan

ar gaaTavisufla.

saerTod, qveyanaSi, sadac politpatimrebi

arseboben, Tavisufal

da samarTlian arCevnebze

saubari zedmetia, miT umetes,

rom es politpatimari, misi saxeli

da gvari rogorc unda atrialon,

dRes erT-erTi yvelaze

mTavari opoziciuri arxis sakmaod

soliduri investori, damfinansebeli

da damfuZnebelia.

esecaa erT-erTi mTavari motivi,

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Si „edinnaia rossias” filiali

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cvlilebebs gaa-

tarebT?

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rom, warmatebas gisurvebT, ba-

tono baCuki!

_ gmadlobT, Tqvenc aseve.

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SesaZloa, cocxlebi aRarc ki

arian.

_ im cnobil fotoze ras

gvetyviT, romelic gasul kvi-

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Zalian gamiWirdeba imis mtkiceba,

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Tess.

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Ti formiani tipebi? raRac ara

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- isini ruseTisa da kadirovis sisxlian

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SesaZloa, cocxlebi aRarc ki arian~

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kontrabanduli

navTobi

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_ mag utvinoze vambob da ar

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kadirovis xalxi Zalian xSirad

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qistebi rom ara, raRac ubedurebas

Caidendnen.

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xeli kadirovelebs?

_ bevri cudi saqmis gakeTebaSi.

Zalian bevri gaakeTes pankiselebma

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xelisuflebaSi odesme

Tu momiwia mosvla, aucileblad

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iq hesebis mSeneblobaze 50-

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isini sxvadasxva gadmosasvleliT

Semovidnen saqarTveloSi.

pankisi CeCneTs esazRvreba. qistebma

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gaebeda gadmosvla. iqauroba

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mebrZoli ar Semosula saqar-

TveloSi.

2008 wlis agvistos omis

dros ramdenime aseuli qisti

axalgazrda iTxovda, _ gagviSviT

cxinvalSi, Cveni SeiaraRebiT

davicavT saqarTvelos

mTlianobaso, magram ar miuSves.

es xalxi imis Rirsia, rom davafasoT.

samwuxarod, Cven kadirovis

xalxs ufro met pativs

vcemT.

_ es cota ucnauria, kadiro-

vis xalxi monawileobda 2008

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wlis agvistos omSi da kadiro-

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dagvefasebina?

_ ki batono, 2008 wlis 16

agvistos xaSurSi viyavi. Cemi

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sxvaTa Soris, ar iyvnen qarTvelebis

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iyvnen. ai, kadirovelebs

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mikvirs, saqarTvelo uamrav qarTvels

ejavreba da raRa CeCnebs

movTxovo amaze pasuxi? samwuxaro

isaa, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

kadirovis kriminalebs saqarTveloSi

Tavisuflad gadaadgilebis

saSualebas aZlevs.

_ kadirovi da misi xalxi

CeCnebsac sZuls da „ocnebas”

ram Seayvara ase Zalian?

_ saerTo interesebma. ver

warmoidgenT, ra xdeba Tavad

CeCneTis respublikaSi. iq adamianebi

saxlidan gareT ver gamodian.

_ ratom ver gamodian?

_ mkvlelebis xelSia respublika.

aslan abaSiZis dro maxsendeba.

groznoSi gacilebiT mZime

viTarebaa, vidre es aslanis

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damsaxurebaze vsaubrobdi

da kidev erT ambavs gavixseneb:

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droSebiT gamoCnda pankisis xeobaSi,

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daunayes.

_ 2018 wlis incidents

gulisxmobT, kadirovelebma

ruseTis droSebi da ramzanis

mamis, rusebis mier afeTqebu-

li axmad kadirovis suraTi

rom agvifriales?

_ aafriales da miunayes

kidec cxvir-piri. kidev iciT,

ra momwons Cveni qistebis? _

yvela ojaxi rom qarTulad saubrobs.

Cven vnaxeT, axalqalaq-

Si somxurad tardeba sakrebulos

sxdomebi. iq mcxovrebi eTnikuri

somxebic saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebi arian, magram erTi

sityva ar ician qarTuli, qistebi

ki brwyinvaled floben

qarTul enas.

_ pankisis xeobaSi qarTul

enaze aswavlian skolebSi da

rogor ar ecodinebaT qarTu-

li?

_ qarTuli enis swavla axalqalaqSic

SeiZleba, magram iq

ar swavloben, qistebi ki qarTulad

saubroben. es saxelmwifos

mimarT pativiscemis gamoxatulebaa.

pankisSi yofna xSirad

miwevs da didi siyvaruli maqvs

maT mimarT. me zelimxan xangoSvilis

dakrZalvazec Cavedi. is

saqarTveloze Seyvarebuli kaci

iyo. samwuxarod, zelimxani saqarTvelos

xelisuflebam sikvdilisTvis

gawira. Tamamad vityvi,

rom zelimxanma saqarTvelos

Seswira Tavi. am qveynis patri-

`koronavirusis gamo saqarTvelos ruseTTan sazRvari Caketili aqvs,

gadaadgileba mkacrad kontroldeba da swored am dros Semovida uamravi

rusi saqarTveloSi, baTumSi isini gansakuTrebulad momravldnen~

oti iyo da amitom gaagdes „ocnebis”

laCrebma qveynidan. man

germanias Seafara Tavi da iq

mokles. amaze „qarTulma ocnebamac”

unda agos pasuxi.

_ „qarTulma ocnebam” ratom?

es axalgazrda xom ruseb-

ma mokles?

_ mere, vin aqcia rusebis samizned?

jer aq scades misi mokvla

rusebma. nacvlad imisa,

daecvaT, saqarTvelodan gaagdes.

amis gamo germaniis prokuraturac

ki aRSfoTda. arada, es

uwyeba Zalian TavSekavebulia

gancxadebebSi. Tavisi pozicia am

saqmeze germaniis kanclerma angela

merkelmac gamoxata. zelimxanis

gagdeba ar ikmares da

saqarTvelos xelisuflebam

misi Zmac gaagdo qveynidan. ra

unda velaparako amaT, Cveulebrivi

moRalateebi arian. Seqmnil

viTarebas rom vuyureb,

guli sisxliT mevseba.

_ sadamde unda iparpaSon aq

kadirovelebma, sanam „ocnebis”

romelime wevrs ar damarTeben

rames? maTgan yvelaferia mos-

alodneli.

_ Cveulebrivi mkvlelebi

arian, nebismiers moklaven daufiqreblad.

cota unda ifrTxilos

Cvenma xelisuflebam, am

mkvlelebs aravis dandoba ar

aqvT. axla raRac saerTo interesebi

gauCndaT da Sekrulebi

arian, magram sakmarisia, rame patara

uTanxmoeba moxdes, rom

maSinve sisxlisRvraze gadavlen.

_ ra saerTo interesebi

aqvT?

_ navTobi.

_ ufro konkretulad?

_ CeCneTis teritoriaze nav-

Tobi moipoveba. wlebis ganmavlobaSi

baTumidan gadioda CeCnuri

navTobi sazRvargareT.

_ es rodis xdeboda, aslan

abaSiZis dros?

_ aslan abaSiZis dros daiwyo,

magram arxebi xom darCa da

am mimarTulebiT muSaoba gagr-

Zelda.

_ miSas dros es mimarTule-

ba ver imuSavebda, 2006 wlis

zafxulidan rusebma sazRvari

Cagviketes.

_ magis gareSec CaiWra es sqe-

`pankisSi yofna xSirad miwevs da didi

siyvaruli maqvs maT mimarT. me zelimxan

xangoSvilis dakrZalvazec Cavedi. is

saqarTveloze Seyvarebuli kaci iyo.

samwuxarod, zelimxani saqarTvelos

xelisuflebam sikvdilisTvis gawira. Tamamad

vityvi, rom zelimxanma saqarTvelos Seswira

Tavi. am qveynis patrioti iyo da amitom

gaagdes `ocnebis~ laCrebma qveynidan. man

germanias Seafara Tavi da iq mokles. amaze

`qarTulma ocnebamac~ unda agos pasuxi~

ma. kadirovi Tavidanve ver itanda

miSas. saakaSvilTan saerTo

enis gamonaxva ver moaxerxa. samagierod,

axla gailaRa. navTobi

aRar gadis, magram sxva saqmeebSi

iqnebian erTad. moifiqrebdnen

rame kontrabandul sqemas.

amaze ufro jaSuSebis ambavi

madardebs. amdeni welia, xelisuflebaSi

arian da erTi

jaSuSi ar dauWeriaT! risi jaSuSis

damWerebi arian, ucxo qveyana

qarTveli Jurnalistis mokvlas

apirebda da amaze ver gabedes

xmis amoReba.

Zalian cud dReSia saqarTvelo

da Zalian mikvirs im axalgazrdebis,

romlebic rusebs

icaven da qocebs xmas aZleven.

ar vici, magaT tvinSi ra devs,

rom ase umuSavebT Tavi.

_ axalgazrdebi ratom unda

icavdnen ruseTs, gansakuTrebiT

isini, romlebi damoukideblobis

mopovebis Semdeg dai-

badnen?

_ am SemTxvevaSi ojaxia damnaSave.

mamisgan da babuisgan esmiT,

rom ruseTi kargia. marTalia,

ganaTlebuli eri varT, magram

bevri gvyavs gaunaTlebeli.

CasZaxian am bavSvebs, 37 maneTad

davfrinavdiT ruseTSi

„sagulaodo” da isinic mistirian

am 37-maneTian „gulavs”.

_ ruseTs ratom unda mis-

tirode, roca Zalian iafad

SeiZleba evropaSi gafrena?

_ amaTTvis ruseTi saukeTesoa,

am qveyanaSi 25 weli vicxovre

da vici, rasac warmoadgens

iqauroba da amitom ar minda,

ruseTTan rame makavSirebdes.

rac Cemma Taobam gaiara, ar

minda, rom igive gaiaron axalgazrdebma.

amaT warmodgenac ar

aqvT, ra saSineleba iyo sabWo-

Ta kavSiri. yvelas erTnairad

ecva, erTnairad azrovnebda,

erTnairi korpusebi Sendeboda.

_ evraziuli kavSiris wevre-

bi Tu gavxdebiT? axla amaze

veRar saubroben rusebi, magram

wlebis winaT ivaniSvili gvimtkicebda,

cudi ar iqneba es mi-

marTulebao.

_ ra evraziuli kavSiri?! ar

gamova aqedan araferi. sadacaa,

Camoiqceva es ruseTi. risi axali

kavSiris Semqmnelebi arian?!

ar mesmis, rogor SeiZleba

gavcvaloT ruseTze evropa da

amerika. amerika yvelanairad

gvexmareba, rom normaluri

qveyana avaSenoT, ruseTi risi

gamkeTebelia?! Zalian rom moindomos,

raSi unda dagvexmaros?!

sad aqvs amdeni resursi? ixrCobian

sanqciebiT. isev amerikas

unda sTxovon dolari, rom

dagvexmaron. isedac arafers

mogcems, aqedan miaqvs fuli da

teritoria. yvela didi biznesi

xelSi aqvT Cagdebuli. mTeli

fuli, rac aq trialebs, ruseT-

Si midis. magitom araa saqarTveloSi

fuli. baTumsac egeni

akontroleben.

_ aba, Turqebi akontrole-

beno?

_ ra Turqebi? rusebi arian

yvelaferze momjdari. baTumi

rom Turqebisaa, eg rusuli

propagandis Semadgeneli nawilia.

amiT cdiloben, TavianTi

zraxvebi dafaron. gaiZaxian,

aWara gaTurqebuliao. raRac

obieqtebs rom flobdnen Turqi

biznesmenebi, ratom unda

gaukvirdes viRacas? mezobeli

qveyanaa da ginda Tu ara, mainc

Semova aq Turquli investicia.

isini, ZiriTadad, momsaxurebis

sferoSi arian. es sfero yvelaze

maRal doneze Turqebs

aqvT ganviTarebuli. Tu ar ginda

is Semovides, maSin Sen unda

iswavlo. meeWveba, Cvenma xalxma

odesme momsaxureba iswavlos.

_ ratom geeWvebaT?

_ iseTi saxeebiT gemsaxurebian,

gadairevi: arc zrdiloba

aqvT, arc _ kultura, TiTqos

gamadlian, rom iq muSaoben. ise

iqcevian, survilic ar giCndeba,

pativi sce da „Cai” dutovo.

bolo dros ruseTumeebma saintereso

Tema Semoagdes, _

TiTqos Turqebi Cvens qalebs

Seuracxyofas ayeneben. es aris

tyuili! damijereT, ubatonod

xmas aravis scemen. axla vinme Tu

atexilia da raRac iseT saqmianobas

misdevs da masTan Turqi

mamakaci miva, arc esaa saqveyno

problema.

_ saqveyno problemad vin mi-

iCnevs amas?

_ ra vici, erTi ambavia atexili,

ariqa, Tu Turqi qarTvel

qalTan gaivlis, TurqeTis nawili

gavxdebiTo. mase italielma

an frangma rom gaiaros Cvens

qalebTan, saqarTvelo evrokav-

Siris wevri gaxdeba Tu ra? ar

vici, ra sikvdili Wirs zogier-

Tis azrovnebas. aseTi iaffasiani

tyuilebiT „qarTuli ocneba”

veRar damalavs imas, rom

saqarTvelo da, konkretulad,

aWara rusi jaSuSebiTaa savse.

xalxs yelSi amouvida amaTi parpaSi.

CaTvaleT, rom „qarTuli

ocneba” ukve dasrulebulia. es

ramdenime TveSi gaformdeba. xalxTan

maqvs yoveldRe Sexvedrebi

da kargad vici maTi ganwyoba,

erTi suli aqvT, rodis

dadgeba arCevnebis dRe, rom

„ocneba” moiSoron Tavidan.

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am fonze sainteresoa, rogor

gaxda joxar dudaevis eqsTanamebrZol

axmad kadirovis vaJi putinis

yurmoWrili mona da, saer-

Tod, rogor gegmavs rusuli

specsamsaxurebi ama Tu im arasasurveli

pirovnebis likvidacias?

amasTan, isic sakiTxavia, Jurnalist

giorgi gabunias mokvlis

gadawyvetileba piradi SurisZiebis

niadagze miiRes Tu am verganxoricielebul

sisxlian angariSsworebas

sxva mizanic hqonda _

magaliTad, qveyanaSi farTomas-

Stabiani areulobis dawyeba?

yvela am Temis Sesaxeb „qronika+~

„mebrZolTa ligis” damfuZnebel

badri Selias esaubra.

iqidan gamomdinare, rom Cveni respondenti

yofili samxedroa,

rusuli specsamsaxurebis muSaobas

kargad icnobs. Sesabamisad,

Selia Cvens gamocemasTan saubrisas,

litvinenkos mowamvlis garda,

kidev erT SekveTili mkvlelobis

saqmes ixsenebs, romelic

sisruleSi ver moiyvanes, Tumca

am saqmeze ruseTis specsamsaxurebis

agenti daakaves da, praqtikulad,

dadasturda, rom moskovi

CexeTis dedaqalaq praRis

meris likvidacias apirebda.

erTi sityviT, winamdebare in-

terviuSi qarTveli yofili

samxedro rusuli SekveTili mkv-

lelobebis anatomias Sifravs da

arc imis Tqmas erideba, rom nebismieri

adamiani, romelic okupant

mezobels upirispirdeba, sa-

frTxis qveSaa.

_ badri, is, rom kremlsa da,

saerTod, rusul specsamsaxur-

ebs SekveTili mkvlelobebisken

aqvT midrekileba, axali araa,

magram okupanti msxverpls, Tqve-

ni azriT, ra niSniT irCevs xo-

lme?

_ marTali brZandebiT: bolo

wlebis ganmavlobaSi ruseTis specsamsaxurebis

mier bevri SekveTili

mkvlelobis an mkvlelobis

mcdelobis Sesaxeb movismineT.

samizne pirovnebas ki sxvadasxva

mizniT arCeven. mizani SeiZleba

iyos raime konkretuli, rogorc

isini uwodeben, „problemis gadawyveta”,

magaliTad, gavleniani an

cnobili pirovnebis garkveuli

saqmidan CamoSoreba, radgan es

pirovneba rusuli gegmis Sesrulebas

xels uSlis.

amasTan, cnobili adamianis

likvidirebis mizani SesaZloa,

areulobebis gamowveva iyos, raTa

am mkvlelobis Semdeg ganviTarebuli

movlenebi rusebis winaswar

dagegmil interesebs moemsaxureba.

erTi cnobili adamianis likvidirebis

mizani SesaZloa, sxva

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`giorgi gabunias likvidacia

praqtikulad, aravis epareba

giorgi abaSiZe

eWvi, rom Jurnalistisa da telewamyvan

giorgi gabunias likvi-

daciis gegma CrdiloeTSi momzadda. am eWvs, sxva Tu araferi,

isic amyarebs, rom jer kidev SarSan, roca pirdapir eTerSi

vladimir vladimiris Ze putins gabuniam cocxali da mkvdari

agina, amiT saqarTvelos mosaxleobis absoluturi umravlesobis

damokidebuleba gamoxata, CeCneTis respublikis meTau-

ri Cvens kolegas Riad daemuqra. marTalia, ramzan kadirovi

axla „Tavs icavs”, mkvleloba rom SemekveTa, am saqmes bolom-

de miviyvandio, magram arsebobs erTi „magram”: TiTqmis yvela

is adamiani, romelic putins nervebs uSlida, ruseTis fed-

eraciis prezidentma swored kadirovis xeliT moicila.

cnobili adamianebis daSineba da

maTTvis „Wkuis swavlebac” iyos.

yvelafer amis garda, pirovnebis

likvidaciis mizani SeiZleba,

SurisZiebac gaxldeT. magaliTad,

2020 wlis 3 aprils CexeTis

dedaqalaq praRaSi qalaqis meris,

ondJei kolarJis iniciativiT, sabWoTa

marSlis, ivan konevis Zegli

aiRes. adgilobrivi mosaxleoba

qalaqis centridan am Zeglis

aRebas 30 weli iTxovda, rasac

ruseTi ewinaaRmdegeboda. metic,

CexeTSi ruseTis saelCom xelisuflebas

mouwoda, rom es „istoriuli

mniSvnelobis” Zegli ar aeRo,

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, adekvatur

nabijs gadadgamda da asec

moxda.

_ anu?

_ Zeglis aRebidan, daaxloebiT,

3 kviraSi, konkretulad, 28

aprils, CexeTis specsamsaxurebma

praRis aeroportSi ruseTis specsamsaxurebis

agenti daakaves,

romelsac diplomatiuri pasporti

da momwamvleli nivTiereba

„ricini” hqonda. gamoZiebam daadgina,

rom rusi agenti, SurisZiebis

mizniT, praRis meris mowamvlas

gegmavda, anu imis Tqma minda, rom

ruseTis mier msxverplis SerCevis

„kriteriumebi” mravalferovania.

_ e. i., SekveTili mkvlelobis

mizani, romlis ukanac specsamsaxuri

dgas, SesaZloa, adamianeb-

Si SiSis daTesvac iyos da pira-

di SurisZiebac, ara?

_ diax, SeiZleba, erTic iyos da

_ meorec.

aseve SekveTil mkvlelobas ma-

Sinac „mimarTaven”, roca magali-

Tad, ruseTis „sasargeblo idiotebi”

(adamianebi, romlebic samizne

qveyanaSi rusebis interesebisTvis

muSaoben) Zalian mniSvnelovan

davalebas ver asruleben

da informaciis gaJonvis safrTxe

iqmneba. xSirad ama Tu im

personis likvidirebis oficialuri,

ase vTqvaT, sababi, SeiZleba,

sul sxva iyos, realuri mizani ki

_ sxva.

_ rogorc cnobilia, giorgi

gabunias likvidaciis brZaneba

kadirovma gasca. Tqveni azriT,

saqmis kursSi putinic iyo Tu

gabunias mokvliT kadirovs putinisTvis

erTgulebis damtkice-

ba surda?

_ putini, ra Tqma unda, saqmis

kurSi iqneboda.

_ am azris dasabuTeba Segi-

ZliaT?

_ yvelasTvis cnobilia, rom

putini sabWoTa „kagebes” mzveravi

iyo da misi movaleoba saxelmwifosTvis

mniSvnelovan adamianebze

TvalTvali da monacemebis Segroveba

gaxldaT.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ dRes putini mxolod ruse-

Tis federaciis prezidenti ki

ara, ruseTis federaciis uSiSroebisa

da sxvadasxva saidumlo

samsaxuris saerTo kuratoricaa.

saerTod, SekveTili mkvleloba

gansakuTrebiT mniSvnelovan operaciad

miiCneva da mas mxolod

umaRlesi rangis kuratoris

nebarTviT axorcieleben. am

SemTxvevaSi ki putini Tavad warmoadgens

umaRlesi rangis kurators.

amitom eWvgareSea, rom

giorgis mkvlelobis dagegmva

putinTan winaswar SeTanxmebuli

iqneboda! rac Seexeba kadirovis

mxridan putinisTvis erTgulebis

damtkicebas, vfiqrob, misi daniSnuleba

putinisTvis erTgulebis

damtkiceba araa, Tan Zveli „kagebes”

putinisnairi gamocdili wevrebisTvis

cneba „erTguleba” ar

arsebobs. maT tvini ise aqvT mowyobili,

rom Tu saqmes dasWirdeba,

uaxloes pirovnebasac gaimeteben

da moklaven. amis magaliTia

ruseTis sadazvervo samsaxuris

TanamSromel andrei lugavois

badri Selia:

`ruseTis mier

msxverplis SerCevis

`kriteriumebi~

mravalferovania~

`dRes putini mxolod ruseTis federaciis

prezidenti ki ara, ruseTis federaciis

uSiSroebisa da sxvadasxva saidumlo

samsaxuris saerTo kuratoricaa. saerTod,

SekveTili mkvleloba gansakuTrebiT

mniSvnelovan operaciad miiCneva da mas

mxolod umaRlesi rangis kuratoris

nebarTviT axorcieleben. am SemTxvevaSi ki

putini Tavad warmoadgens umaRlesi rangis

kurators. amitom eWvgareSea, rom giorgis

mkvlelobis dagegmva putinTan winaswar

SeTanxmebuli iqneboda!~

mier amave samsaxuris yofili TanamSromlis,

misi uaxloesi da erTguli

megobris, aleqsandre litvinenkos

inglisSi „polonium 210-

iT” mowamvla.

aqve, getyviT, rom „polonium

210" Zalian ZviradRirebuli niv-

Tierebaa, romelsac msoflioSi

mxolod ramdenime maRali usafrTxoebis

birTvuli obieqti

awarmoebs da is saxelmwifos

mkacr kontrols eqvemdebareba.

litvinenkos sasikvdilo ganaCeni

imitom gamoutanes, rom man

berezovskis mowamvlaze uari ganacxada,

davaleba ki misma erTgulma

da didi xnis megobarma Seasrula.

rac Seexeba kadirovs, is, ubralod,

putinis yurmoWrili monaa,

romelsac valdebuleba aqvs, putinis

davalebebi Seasrulos, maT

Soris, iseTic, rogoric SekveTili

mkvlelobaa. ise, bolo dros

ruseTis specsamsaxurebis mier

sxvadasxva qveyanaSi ganxorcielebuli

SekveTili mkvlelobebis

kvali kadirovTan midis. is asrulebs

im movaleobas, rac daakisres,

sanacvlod ki CeCneTis respublikis

meTauris savarZels inaCunebs

da absoluturi Zalauflebac

aqvs. amasTan, uzarmazar

Tanxebs iRebs da mTeli ruseTis

masStabiT xelSeuxebelicaa.

_ vin aris kadirovi, anu

rogor da ratom gaxda igi puti-

nis yurmoWrili xelqveiTi?

_ kadirovi ruseT-CeCneTis meore

omis Semdeg ruseTis federaciis

SemadgenlobaSi Sesuli

CeCneTis respublikis pirveli

prezidentis, axmad kadirovis

Svilia.

CeCneTis pirveli omis dros,

anu 1994-1996 wlebSi, axmad da

ramzan kadirovebi ruseTis winaaRmdeg

general joxar dudaevis

sardlobis qveS omobdnen. mogexsenebaT,

es omi ruseTis damarcxebiTa

da cecxlis Sewyvetis Sesaxeb

xelSekrulebiT dasrulda.

sami wlis ganmavlobaSi CeCneTi,

rogorc iCqeriis damoukidebeli

saxelmwifo, ise arsebobda da

misi, rogorc damoukidebeli da

Tavisufali qveynis pirveli prezidenti

joxar dudaevi gaxldaT.

aRsaniSnavia, rom mTeli am periodis

ganmavlobaSi iCqeriis respublika

ruseTis centraluri dafinansebis

gareSe damoukideblad

cxovrobda da ruseTSi dagegmil

arc erT saxelmwifo mniSvnelobis

RonisZiebaSi, maT Soris, ruse-

Tis prezidentis arCevnebSi, ar

monawileobda, magram odnav mo-

Zlierda Tu ara, rogorc istoriulad

sCvevia, 1999 wlis 26

agvistos, ruseTma xelSekruleba

daarRvia da iCqeriis respublikas

moulodnelad, anu omis gamoucxadeblad,

Tavs daesxa. ase daiwyo

CeCneTis meore omi.

omis dawyebisTanave axmad kadirovi

da misi Svili ramzani ruse-

Tis mxares gadavidnen da saku-

Tari eris winaaRmdeg ibrZodnen.

omSi iCqeriis respublikis damarcxebis

Semdeg iCqeria, rogorc

CeCneTis respublika, ruseTis

federaciis SemadgenlobaSi moeqca

da misi pirveli prezidenti

axmad kadirovi gaxda. axmadi 2004

wlis 9 maiss CeCneTis dedaqalaq

groznos centralur stadionze,

faSizmis damarcxebis wlisTavisadmi

miRZvnil sazeimo

ceremonialze, momxdar afeTqebas

emsxverpla. am dros ramzan kadirovi

mamamisis, anu prezidentis

dacvis samsaxuris ufrosi iyo...

mamis gardacvalebis Semdeg

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jerarnaxul aqciebs gamoiwvevda!~

ramzanma CeCneTis respublikis xelisuflebis

mdivnis posti daikava,

Semdeg ki CeCneTis respublikis

prezidenti gaxda.

ramzan kadirovi putinis partia

„erTiani ruseTis” wevria,

aseve policiis general-maioria.

mokled, ase gaxda ramzan kadirovi

putinis yurmoWrili mona.

_ ise, gabunias SesaZlo likvi-

daciam zogierTs giorgi sanaias

mkvleloba gaaxsena. am or saqmes

Soris paralelis gavleba Sei-

Zleba da Tu SeiZleba, ratom?

_ vinaidan sanaias mkvlelobasTan

dakavSirebiT Zalian mwir

informacias vflob, ar SemiZlia,

am or saqmes Soris paraleli

gavavlo, Tumca vfiqrob, rom sanaias

mkvleloba ufro qveynis SigniT

dagegmili iyo, vidre _ gareT.

_ sxvaTa Soris, Tu gadavxedavT,

im SekveTili mkvlelobeb-

is kvali, romlebic ruseTSi an

mis samezobloSi momxdara, ume-

tesad, CeCneTis xelisuflebamde

midis. yovel SemTxvevaSi, bevr

saqmeSi swored kadirovi an misi

garemocva figurirebs. amas ra

axsna aqvs?

_ kadirovi ruseTis specsamsaxurebis

mier specialurad

SekveTili mkvlelobebisTvis Seqmnili

da „gamoyvanili” kadria,

romelsac, rogorc Cans, aseTi

saqmeebis daorganizebisa da Sesrulebis

gansakuTrebuli „niWi”

aRmoaCnda.

garda amisa, is ruseTis specsamsaxurebs

yurebiT hyavs daWerili

da vinaidan kargi Semsrulebelia,

aseTi tipis davalebebsac,

umetesad, mas aZleven.

_ zogadad, ras miscemda

putins gabunias mokvla?

_ Zalian kargi kiTxvaa. daviwyoT

iqidan, rom rogorc ki giorgi

gabuniam Tavis gadacemaSi putini,

rogorc Cveni qveynis

dauZinebeli mteri da yvela ubedurebis

saTave, ise moixsenia,

ruseTSi maSinve daiwyo sazogadoebrivi

azris momzadeba, rom

gabunia putinis mteria, romelic

ruseTis mxsnels Seuracxofs da

amisTvis sastikad unda daisajos.

is isteriuli foni, rac rusulma

televiziebma, ra Tqma unda, ruse-

Tis specsamsaxurebis dakveTiT

Seqmnes, imas niSnavda, rom mkacrad

Caketili da putinis, rogorc

naciis mxsnelis ideologiiT

gonebadamuSavebuli rusuli sazogadoeba

ise aelaparakebinaT,

rom mas xelisuflebisgan gabunias

dasja moeTxova. putinisa da, Sesabamisad,

ruseTis Seuracxmyofelis

dasjis meTodi ki ukiduresad

mkacri unda yofiliyo. es

„simkacre”, rusuli gagebiT,

likvidacias niSnavs.

samwuxarod, es narativi

saqarTveloSic gaavrceles _

prorusulad ganwyobili da, maT

Soris, religiuri TvalsazrisiT

SecdomaSi Seyvanili adamianebi

giorgis aqac emuqrebodnen da

aqciebic ki moawyves. yvelaferi

es ki, ra Tqma unda, imwamsve gaavrceles

rusulma televiziebma da

amiT „rusi xalxis” aRSfoTebas

meti damajerebloba Sehmates.

sazogadoebis „tvinze Setevis”

es operacia, ra Tqma unda, rusulma

specsamsaxurebma moifiqres.

gabunias gamosvlaSi rusulma

`rogorc ki giorgi gabuniam Tavis gadacemaSi putini, rogorc Cveni qveynis

dauZinebeli mteri da yvela ubedurebis saTave, ise moixsenia, ruseTSi

maSinve daiwyo sazogadoebrivi azris momzadeba, rom gabunia putinis mteria,

romelic ruseTis mxsnels Seuracxofs da amisTvis sastikad unda daisajos~

N13 (315) 23.06-06.07.2020 w.

specsamsaxurebma imis SesaZlebloba

dainaxes, rom es faqti saqarTveloSi

SesaZloa, sxva miznebis

misaRwevad gamoeyenebinaT.

ubralod, isini Sesaferis dros

elodnen. mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi

sazogadoebas gabunias gamosvlas

periodulad axsenebdnen, mis

dasasjelad ki ruseTsa da ruseTs

gareT mcxovrebi prorusebisTvis

azri ukve momzadebuli iyo.

axla, rogorc Cans, gadawyvites,

„gabunias saqme” Tarodan

CamoeRoT, radgan Cvens qveyanaSi

Sesabamisi dro dgeba _ saparlamento

arCevnebia.

rusebma ifiqres, rom Cveni

prorusuli xelisuflebis, mosaxleobis

ganwyobis Sesacvlelad

Zalian didi Tanxis daxarjvis,

bevri prorusuli iatakzeda Tu

iatakqveSa organizaciis Camoyalibebisa

da aSkarad prorusuli

politikuri partiebis aqtivobebis

miuxedavad, karsmomdgar saparlamento

arCevnebSi ruseTis interesebs

safrTxe emuqreba. aseve

dainaxes, rom arsebul xelisuflebas

arCevnebSi gamarjvebis

Sansi ar gaaCnia da arc qarTuli

sazogadoeba apirebs, rom arCeul

prodasavlur kurss gadaxedos.

amitom, rogorc Cans, gadawyvites,

rom erTaderTi gza darCaT _

areulobebis mowyoba, anu Cveni

qveyanis „venesuelizacia” an igive

procesebis gaTamaSeba, rac siriaSi

mimdinareobs. yvelafer amiT

ruseTi garkveuli saxis kontrolis

SenarCunebas Seecdeboda da

SemdegSi sasurvel Sedegs miaRwevda.

_ anu, badri, darwmunebuli

xarT, rom cnobili Jurnalistis

likvidacias saqarTveloSi de-

stabilizacia mohyveboda?

_ Cemi azriT, giorgis likvidacias

jerarnaxuli aqciebi aucileblad

mohyveboda, sadac absoluturad

gansxvavebuli ideologiisa

da msoflmxedvelobis adamianebic

ki gaerTiandebodnen. es

`litvinenkos sasikvdilo ganaCeni imitom

gamoutanes, rom man berezovskis mowamvlaze

uari ganacxada, davaleba ki misma erTgulma

da didi xnis megobarma Seasrula. rac Seexeba

kadirovs, is, ubralod, putinis yurmoWrili

monaa, romelsac valdebuleba aqvs, putinis

davalebebi Seasrulos, maT Soris, iseTic,

rogoric SekveTili mkvlelobaa~

aqciebi masobriv saxes miiRebda.

adgilze arsebuli ruseTis „sasargeblo

idiotebi” ki procesebis

gamwvavebas yvelanairad Seuwyobdnen

xels, maT Soris, radikaluri

moqmedebebiT. xelisufleba iZulebuli

gaxdeboda, sagangebo

mdgomareoba da komendantis

saaTi gamoecxadebina, rasac epidsituaciis

gauresebiT axsnidnen.

amasobaSi, rusuli specsamsaxurebis

wyalobiT, garkveuli jgufebi

daumorCileblobas gamoacxadebdnen.

amas mohyveboda ZalovnebTan

dapirispireba, rac SesaZlebelia,

am xelisuflebis pirobeb-

Si, romelmac zustad erTi wlis

win, mSvidobian aqciaze, Tvalebi

dasTxara bavSvebs, did da masStabur

areulobaSi gadazrdiliyo.

amgvar viTarebas Cveni saxelmwifo

ramdenad gauZlebda, es

calke sakiTxia, magram es is scenaria,

rac Cvens qveyanaSi putins

Zalian awyobs.

gabunias likvidaciis aRsakveTad,

pirvel rigSi, madloba

ekuTvnis Cvens gansakuTrebul megobar

qveyana ukrainas da mis

specsamsaxurebs. axla ki jeri

Cvens Sesabamis samsaxurebzea. imedi

maqvs, gamoZiebis bolomde miyvaniT

isinic daimsaxureben Cveni

sazogadoebis madlobas, rameTu

Znelad dasajerebelia, rom bokovs

aq, anu adgilze, ar hyoloda

adgilobrivi „damxmareebi” da is

marto moqmedebda.

_ sxvaTa Soris, bokovis dakav-

ebis specoperacia 13 amerikeli

kongresmenis cnobil angariSs

daemTxva, sadac naTqvamia, rom

ivaniSvili saqarTveloSi rusuli

destabilizaciis xelSemwyobia.

es, ubralod, damTxvevaa Tu erT-

maneTTan kavSirSia?

_ vinaidan bokovi sul sxva

braldebiT daakaves, ar mgonia,

rom ivaniSvils kongresmenebis

werilisTvis gaewia angariSi. aseT

SemTxvevaSi, dakavebis realur

mizezs pirdapir ganacxadebdnen,

magram vxedavT, rom Cveni qveynis

arc erT oficialur struqturas

erTi saprotesto Sinaarsis gancxadebac

ki ar gaukeTebia ruse-

Tis mimarT, piriqiT, xelisuflebis

zogierTi SemTxveviTi da utifari

Tanamdebobis piri am saqme-

Si damnaSaved „nacionalur moZraobas”

miiCnevs.

vfiqrob, „mTavari arxis” generalurma

direqtorma, nika gvaramiam,

Tavisi Zalian Wkvianuri,

mozomili da drouli gancxadebiT

aiZula Sesabamisi struqturebi,

bokovis dakavebis realuri mizezi

ganemartaT. gvaramias specbrifingis

Semdeg sus-ma mxolod

meore dRes aRiara, rom bokovi

SekveTili mkvlelobis gamoZiebis

farglebSi iyo dakavebuli.

_ msmenia, rom sabWoTa „kagebe-

Si” „mkvlelobebis departamenti”

arsebobda. msgavsi ganyofileba

Tanamedrove rusul specsamsax-

urebsac aqvT?

_ SemiZlia giTxraT, rom sab-

WoTa kavSiris daSlis Semdeg

„kagebes” arc erTi struqtura ar

daSlila, ubralod, maT saxelebi

Seucvales. sxvaTa Soris, inglis-

Si lugavois mier mowamlulma

aleqsandr litvinenkom dawera

wigni: „fsb afeTqebs ruseTs”. es

wigni inglisSi gamoica da masSi

aRwerilia ruseTis „fsb-s” muSaobis

meTodebi, romelic dokumenturi

masaliTaa gamyarebuli. es

wigni, romelic ruseTSi akrZalulia,

Tumca qarTulad Targmnilia,

naTels hfens, rogori veragi

meTodebiT moqmedebs ruse-

Ti.

_ zogadad, im dros, roca vrceldeba

cnoba, rom ucxo qveyana

saqarTvelos moqalaqis likvidacias

apirebs, Cvenma xelisuflebam

ra nabijebi unda gadad-

gas?

_ am Temis ganxilva, minimum,

saerTaSoriso masStabiT unda

daewyo, anu am Temis ganxilvaSi

Cveni yvela dasavleli megobari

unda CaerTo da ruseTis oficialuri

pirebis mimarT, romlebic

SesaZloa, am saqmeSi iyvnen

gareulebi, gamoZieba daewyo. anu

maTze saerTaSoriso Zebna unda

gamocxaddes. sxva saxis specmoqmedebebze

ki aRarafers vityvi.

_ am viTarebaSi is adamianebi,

romlebic putins Riad da dau-

faravad akritikeben, usafrTxod

arian?

_ ra Tqma unda, ara! aqve

davZen, rom Cvens specsamsaxureb-

Si msaxuroben Zalian maRali donis

profesionalebi, romlebsac

bevri mniSvnelovani safrTxe auridebiaT

Cveni qveynisTvis, magram,

samwuxarod, dRes maT ar

aqvT SesaZlebloba, TavianTi

saqme kargad akeTon, radgan ar

arsebobs politikuri neba, rom am

biWebs xeli Seuwyon sxvadasxva

teqnikuri Tu sxva SesaZleblobis

SeqmnaSi, raTa ruseTidan momdinare

safrTxeebi maqsimalurad

ganeitraldes...

_ badri, mainc, ra prevenciu-

li RonisZiebebi unda gatardes,

rom arCevnebis win qveyanaSi de-

stabilizacia ar daiwyos?

_ maqsimalurad mxari unda

dauWiron Sesabamis samsaxurebs,

raTa gareSe Zalebma TavianTi

miznebis miRweva ver SeZlon; Sida

doneze ki absoluturad yvela da

yvelaferi kanonis uzenaesobas

unda daeqvemdebaros.

_ ise, Tu kadirovi gabunias

likvidacias marTla gegmavda,

ganzraxvis sisruleSi moyvana

ratom gawela?

_ Sesabamis dros elodeboda.

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TavianT olqebSi beWebze dascemdnen „ocnebis” kandidatebs.

amisTvis sulac ar iyo aucilebeli, rom es kandidatebi,

maincdamainc, partiuli funqcionerebi yofiliyvnen. wesiT,

yvelas erTad unda gamoenaxa liderebi, avtoritetuli fig-

urebi, romlebic gaimarjvebdnen. yovel SemTxvevaSi, gamoe-

naxaT iseTi kandidatebi, romelTac mogebis gamocdileba Tu

ara, wagebis (Tan bevrjer) mainc ar aqvT! araerT arCevnebSi

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mougo oligarqis kandidats, romelsac zurgs umagrebs fuli,

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gadavxedoT Tbilisis maJori-

tarul olqebSi opoziciis mier

wardgenil kandidatebs da am kan-

didatebis mier wina arCevnebSi

miRebul xmebsac. Tavadve mix-

vdebiT, vis ra etyoba koWebze _

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rezo SatakiSvili

597 94 42 50

mTawminda -

Salva SavguliZe

294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com

advokati Salva SavguliZe politikur

procesebSi 2009 wels

CaerTo, rogorc alasanias partiis

_ „Tavisufali demokratebis

TanadamfuZnebeli”. pirveli arCevnebi,

sadac man kenWi iyara, 2010

wlis adgilobrivi arCevnebi iyo.

rogorc sakrebulos maJoritarobis

kandidati igi swored mTawmindaze

iyrida kenWs. miiRo xmebis

24,8% (6 998 xma), misma konkurentma

mamuka axvledianma ki _ 60,83%.

mTawmindaze igi meored 2019

wels, Sualedur arCevnebSi damarcxda.

amjerad evropuli saqar-

Tvelosa da Tavdemebis kandidati

iyo, konkurenti arc sxva opoziciurma

partiebma dauyenes, Tu ar

CavTvliT „girCs” (romelmac germane

sabo waradgina, man mxolod

701 xma (4,76%) miiRo) da „Tavisufal

saqarTvelos” (romlis wardgenilma

giorgi andriaZem sul 117

xma (0,79%) miiRo). sxva konkurentebi

damoukidebeli kandidatebi

iyvnen _ grigol gegelia (3,14% _

462 xma), sofio xorguani (2,64% _

388 xma), koba daviTaSvili (2,91%

_ 428 xma), levan ioseliani (6,55%

_ 964 xma). mokled, miuxedavad imisa,

rom opoziciurma partiebma

konkurenti ar dauyenes da realuri

konkurenti arc hyolia,

Salva SagvuliZem lado kaxaZesTan

gamajvebas mainc ver miaRwia. pirvel

turSi SagvuliZem 36,84% (5 422

xma), kaxaZem ki 41,01% (6 036 xma)

miiRo. meore turSi Salva SagvuliZem

38,17% (6 635 xma) miiRo,

lado kaxaZem _ 61,83 % (10 749 xma).

es marcxi triumfad gamoiyureba

im marcxTan, romelic man 2016

wlis saparlamento arCevnebSi

iwvnia, rodesac maJoritarobis

kandidati iyo Tbilisis meeqvse

maJoritarul olqSi (es olqi moicavda

saburTalos nawils _ pekinis

gamzirsa da mis mimdebare qu-

Cebs, sportis sasaxlis mimdebare

quCebs). am saarCevno maraTonSi

SavguliZem iseTi STambeWdavi Sedegebi

dado, makedonelma saflavSi

Zvlebi SeaTamaSa. aRniSnul

olqSi levan gogiCaiSvilma 46,89%

moagrova (11 768 xma), meore adgilze

sevdia ugrexeliZe gavida _

17,2% (4316 xma), mesame adgilze _

daviT usufaSvili _ 11,7%-iT (2936

xma), meoTxe adgilze ki Salva SavguliZe

_ 7,52%-iT. 2 aTasma kacmac

ar misca xma, sul _ 1887-ma adamianma

misca xma! mere ra, rom meoTxe

adgilze gavida, samagierod, gauswro

mamuka kacitaZes (2,24%), mixeil

xomeriks (2,36%), „patriot”

Tamar barabaZes (4,57%), leiborist

Tamaz SioSvils (1,37%),

aleqsandre bregaZes (3,62%). exumrebi

amaTTvis mogebas? esec Temaa.

axla, ise ar gaigoT, rom Salva

SavguliZes arasodes moegos

arCevnebi. mougia, namdvilad mougia,

_ maSin, rodesac is ivaniSvilis

favoriti iyo, anu 2012 wels.

2012-is arCevnebSi is vakeSi iyrida

kenWs da 69,72% (49 141 xma) miiRo.

„nacionaluri moZraobidan”

misi konkurenti iyo giorgi karbelaSvili

_ 25,42% (17 913 xma). im

arCevnebSi daviT gamyreliZem sul

1,59% miiRo _ 1124 xma! kaxa kukavam

1,31% _ 925 xma. nino gurielma

1% (706 xma), danarCenma ki TiTo

procentic ver akrifa. leila

gafrindaSvils 477-ma misca xma,

roin lipartelians sul 68 kacma

misca xma, genadi kvaWantiraZes _

76-ma, daviT Torduas _ 50 kacma.

bevri rom ar gavagrZeloT,

SavguliZe im personaTa rigs

ganekuTvneba, romelic biZinas mxardamxar

aRwevs STambeWdav warmatebas

da ara mis winaaRmdeg

brZolaSi. SavguliZe gamonaklisi

araa, igive daemarTa mis Tanapartiel

viqtor doliZes, romelmac

2012 wels CuRureTSi biZinas SaravandediT

66,94% miiRo, 4 wlis

Semdeg ki, 2016 wels, igive viqtor

doliZem vakeSi 15%-ic ver moagrova,

„ilaos msgavsi senebiT” Win-

TviT akrifa 14,43%.

mokled, vnaxoT, ras izams mTawmindaze

orjer damarcxebuli

SavguliZe mesamed.

vake - elene xoStaria

elene xoStaria qarTul politikur

oromtrialSi 2016 wlidan

CaerTo. maSin didi zarzeimiT da

taStis braxuniT maJoritarobis

kandidatadac ki waradgines vake-

Si, magram xmebis erTi meoTxedic

ver miiRo _ pirvel turSi xmebis

22,25% miiRo (5480 xma). misma mTavarma

konkurentma biZina gegiZem

ki _ 48,94% (12 055 xma).

axla, Tu Cven elene xoStarias

mier miRebul xmebs sxva kandidatebis

xmebs SevadarebT, igi Sei-

Zleba, guliveradac mogeCvenoT

levan xabeiSvilma samgorSi pirvelad

2014 wels, adgilobrivi

arCevnebisas iyara kenWi, rogorc

sakrebulos maJoritarobis kandidatma

enm-idan. maSin, jer kidev, 27

wlis perspeqtiulma axalgazrdam,

arcTu cudi Sedegi dado _ xmebis

33,66% (3529 xma) aiRo, misma konkurentma

„qarTuli ocnebidan” (ia

makasaraSvili) ki 41,75% (4377 xma).

am Sedegis gaanalizebisas isic gasaTvaliswinebelia,

rom, jer kidev,

2014 weli iyo da arc „ocnebis”

reitingi gaxldaT „plintuss”

qvemoT. igive saarCevno olqSi,

2016 wlis saparlamento arCevneb-

Si, kenWi iyara rogorc burWulaZis

partiis kandidatma da mxolod

7,89% (1643 xma) aiRo, „qarTuli

ocnebis” kandidatma giorgi

mosiZem _ 47,43%, „nacionaluri

moZraobis” kandidatma irakli nadiraZem

_ 24,1%. es Sedegi calsax-

mosalodneli

isani - giorgi vaSaZe

ad im garemoebiTac aixsneba, rom

amomrCevlisTvis erTob mniSvnelovania

kandidatis warmdgeni

partia da xmis micemisas mWidro

kavSiri arsebobs proporciul da

maJoritarul biuletenebs Soris.

2017 wlis adgilobriv arCevneb-

Si samgorSi sakrebulos maJoritarobis

kandidatad ukve enm-im

waradgina levan xabeiSvili, romelmac

amomrCevelTa xmebis 18,75%

miiRo (2484 xma). amjerad igi Tbilisis

sakrebulos wevri proporciuli

wesiT gaxda.

liliputebis qveyanaSi.

komunistebisa da stalinelebis

kandidatma nataSa WeliZem, magaliTad,

sul 57 xma (0,23%) miiRo,

TofaZis partiis irine Cxenkelma

_ 224 xma (0,91%), zurab Sariam _

247 xma (1%) da a. S. am fonze, xoStarias

mier miRebuli xmebi msuyed

gamoiyureba, magram isic unda vTqvaT,

nataSa WeliZis ukanac rom enm

mdgariyo, arc nataSa miiRebda 57

xmas.

meore turSi wesiT, xoStarias

xmebi sagrZnoblad unda momateboda,

piriqiT ki moxda, sul 4123

xmaRa (24,48%) miiRo. xuTi aTasma

vakelmac aRar misca xma xoStarias

meore turSi.

2016 wlidan, erTi wlis Semdeg,

elene xoStariam kidev iyara ken-

Wi. imjerad ukve Tbilisis merobaze

da kinaRam Tbilisis meri ar

gaxda, veJo? exumrebi 7,11%-is

aRebas? mTel TbilisSi 28 411-ma

kacma misca xma! ra ginda, ambiciebi

ki aqvs da parlamentSi ise dadis,

rogorc hiurem sulTani

topkapis sasaxleSi. orjer damarcxda

da axla risi imedi aqvs?

„ocnebis” davardnili reitingis?

da „gavrilovis Ramis” Semdeg xoStarias

gazrdili reitingisa da

imis, rom opoziciidan xmebs aravin

waarTmevs? arc uamisobaa, magram

es yvelaferi ara mgonia, sakmarisi

iyos uapelaciod gasamarjveblad.

saburTalo -

Tako Carkviani

Tako Carkviani saarCevno bataliebSi

saprezidento arCevnebSi

CaerTo, rogorc grigol vaSaZis

aqtiuri mxardamWeri da mas Semdeg

daafuZna partia. amjerad ukve

Tavad iyris kenWs saburTaloze.

aqamde mas kenWi ar uyria da am

mxriv verafers vityviT.

giorgi vaSaZem erTxel ukve waago

isani, es 2012 wlis arCevnebze

moxda. maSin misi konkurenti nukri

qanTaria iyo. vaSaZem 32,92% (20 711

xma) miiRo, qanTariam _ 62,84% (39

534 xma). 2017 wlis adgilobriv

arCevnebSi vaSaZem Tbilisis meroba

moiwadina da kai msuye Sedegic

dado, mTeli 1,95% miiRo! 7800-ma

Tbiliselma igi isurva Tbilisis

amirad! im arCevnebSi, konkretulad

isnis raionSi, man 2,74% aiRo,

sul 1072 xma!

amave arCevnebSi monawileobda

misi partia „giorgi vaSaZe _ er-

Toba axali saqarTvelo”, romelmac

Tbilisis masStabiT, proporciulSi,

3,44% (13 350 xma) miiRo,

qveynis masStabiT ki _ 1,23% (18 426

xma).

samgori -

levan xabeiSvili

didube-CuRureTi - giorgi

margvelaSvili

jer kidev Tveebis win vrceldeboda

informacia, rom opoziciis

maJoritarobis erT-erTi kandidati

giorgi margvelaSvilic iqneboda,

margvelaSvilis politika-

Si maJoritar kandidatad dabrunebas

aleko elisaSvilic adasturebda.

rom gekiTxa, olqic icoda,

sadac unda waredginaT, ubralod,

dasaxelebisgan Tavs ikavebda,

elisaSvili baRdadurs cekvavda

_ „ori xeliT” miesalmeboda

margvelaSvilis dabrunebas da

darwmunebulic iyo, rom pirvelsave

turSi moigebda arCevnebs.

margvelaSvilis politikaSi

dabrunebas miesalmeboda sergo

ratianic da sergi kapanaZec. ise

mowiwebiT saubrobdnen ivaniSvilis

mier prezidentad tomarasaviT

dadebul margvelaSvilze, gegoneba,

maSin is xmebi Tavisi Sno-

Ti da marifaTiT mieRos.

margvelaSvilis maJoritarobis

informaca am bolo dReebSic gaxmaurda,

20 ivnisis aqciaze misulma

ki JurnalistebTan Tqva, rom

maJoritarobas ar apirebs. mokled,

manasesaviTaa _ xan ise da xan

ase. Tu TbilisSi apireben mis

dasaxelebas, didube-CuRureTiRa

darCa. Tumca gamoricxuli arc

isaa, rom igi opoziciam ki ara, kandidatad

„lelom” daasaxelos,

anda sulac _ „zaria vostokam”.

Tu margvelaSvils opozicia

didube-CuRureTSi daasaxelebs,

cudic iqneba da kargic. cudi imitom,

rom „ocneba” aucileblad

miiRebs damatebiT erT mandats,

kargi ki imitom, rom erTxel da

samudamod gamoCndeba, biZina ivaniSvilis

gareSe ra „moxele na-

Calnikia” margvelaSvili.

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marcxis anatomia

ratom aris

saeWvo opoziciis

mier TbilisSi

wardgenili

maJoritarobis

kandidatebis

gamarjveba?

naZaladevi -

Salva naTelaSvili

Salva naTelaSvils gamarjvebac

bevri unaxavs da _ damarcxebac,

TiTqmis 30 welia, politikaSia.

1992 wels parlamentis deputati

gaxda _ duSeTis maJoritarad air-

Cies, 1995 welsac duSeTis maJoritarad

Sevida parlamentSi. mis

mier dafuZnebuli leiboristuli

partia 1998 wlis adgilobriv

arCevnebSi meore adgilze gavida

da Tbilisis sakrebuloSi 12 mandati

moipova. 1999 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebSi ki barieri ver

gadalaxa, ufro obieqturebi

viqnebiT, Tu vityviT, rom ar gadaalaxines

_ 6,82% daufiqsires da

leiboristuli partia parlaments

gareT datoves, parlamentSi mxolod

2 leiboristi Sevida ma-

Joritaruli siiT.

2002 wlis adgilobriv arCevneb-

Si naTelaSvilis partia pirvel

adgilze gavida da Tbilisis

sakrebuloSi 15 mandati moipova.

2003 wlis saparlamento arCevneb-

Si leiboristulma partiam 12,04%

(229 900 xma) miiRo da parlamentSi

20 mandati moipova, maJoritaruli

sistemiT damatebiT sami mandati,

magram im arCevnebs revolucia

moyva, 2004 wels martSi Catarebul

arCevnebSi ki Salvas partiam

5,8%-Ra aiRo da parlamentSi ver

moxvda.

2006 wlis adgilobriv arCevnebSi

leiboristulma partiam TbilisSi

32701 xma miiRo (10,65%) da

erTi mandati moipova Tbilisis sakrebuloSi,

romelic Salva naTelaSvils

xvda wilad. 2008 wlis

saprezidento arCevnebSi Salva

naTelaSvilma 128 589 xma miiRo _

6,49%. 2008 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebSi ki misma partiam, mTel

qveyanaSi, 132 092 xma miiRo (7,44%)

da parlamentSi 6 mandati moipova.

amave arCevnebSi Salva naTelaSvilma

maJoritaruli arCevnebi

waago duSeTSi.

2012 wlis arCevnebSi ki 1,24%-

Ra miiRo (26 621 xma). amave arCevnebSi

Salva naTelaSvilma duSeTSic

iyara kenWi maJoritarad. 5,75%

miiRo, sul 921-ma kacma misca xma...

2013 wels isev iyara kenWi

saprezidento arCevnebSi, amjerad

misi gaprezidenteba amomrCevelTa

2,88%-ma, anu 46 984-ma kacma isurva.

2014 wlis adgilobriv arCevnebSi

TbilisSi proporciuli xmebis

3,43% aiRo leiboristulma partiam.

mTel saqarTveloSi ki _ 3,45%.

2016 wlis saparlamento arCevnebSi

Salvas partiam 3,14% miiRo,

naTelaSvilma isev duSeTSi iyara

kenWi da isev waago, amjerad xmaTa

10,28% miiRo, anu 2180-ma kacma

moiwadina igi maJoritarad. magram

amomrCevlis 60,945%-ma mas zaqaria

qucnaSvili amjobina. 2017 wlis

adgilobriv arCevnebSi Salvas

partiam proporciul frontze

TbilisSi 3,9%, mTel saqarTvelo-

Si ki _ 3,27% aiRo.

2018 wlis arCevnebSi Salva na-

TelaSvilma kidev erTxel scada

gaprezidenteba, rac 3,74%-is aRebiT

(59 651 xma) dasrulda. konkretulad

naZaladevis raionSi naTelaSvilma

5,6% (3146 xma) miiRo.

gldani - nika melia

nika melia politikur procesebSi

„ocnebis” gamarjvebis Semdeg

CaerTo. 2014 wels Tbilisis merobis

kandidati iyo „nacionaluri

moZraobidan”.

miuxedavad imisa, rom enm jerac

axali damarcxebuli iyo da

„ocnebasac” ar hqonda Tavi jer

kidev ase saSviliSvilod moWrili

da gafarCakebuli, meliam seriozuli

Sedegi dado _ pirvel tur-

Si 27,97% aiRo (92 125 xma), misma

konkurentma narmaniam ki _ 46,06%

(151 807 xma). arada, maSin „ocneba”

am Sedegs ar eloda. Tu gaxsovT,

Tavze kocniTac ki ulocavdnen

narmanias gamerebas, magram meore

turi ar ascdaT. cxadia, meore

turSi gaaTmagebulad amuSavda

saxelmwifo manqana, meliam 27,53%

(84 350 xma) miiRo, narmaniam ukve _

72,47% (222 066 xma).

bevri ityvis, rom misi aseTi

Sedegi gamowveuli iyo misi enm-is

kandidatobiT. am argumentis kontrargumenti

ki is gaxlavT, rom 3

wlis Semdeg, rodesac „ocneba”

ukve kargad dafaxfaxebulic iyo

da „nacebis” mimarTac Senelda antagonizmi

sazogadoebis farTo

fenebSi, igive Tbilisis meris

arCevnebSi enm-is kandidati zaal

udumaSvili mesame poziciaze gavida

da xmebis mxolod 16,59% moagrova

(66 259 xma).

Cemi azriT, gamarjvebis yvelaze

didi Sansi swored nika meliasa

da levan xabeiSvils aqvT.

daTo gamcemliZe: `kadirovs aranairi

`kerZo iniciativa~ ar SeiZleba, hqondes~

me-19 gverdidan

_ sabednierod, amerikeli „taqsfeerebi”,

anu gadasaxadis gadamxdelebi, ar

wyveten, vis daexmaros amerika da vis _ ara.

politikuri klasi ki am sakiTxs konkretul

administraciebs andobs. rac Seexeba

„prorusulobis” braldebas, „ocnebis” am-

Jamindeli mdgomareoba namdvilad SeiZleba

Sefasdes, rogorc komikuri: aba,

dRevandeli mTavroba Tu „prorusulia”,

maSin „marTla prorusuli” mTavroba

raRas moimoqmedebs, xom warmogidgeniaT?

sinamdvileSi, mTeli es politikuri insinuaciebi,

„xelisuflebis prorusulobis”

Sesaxeb, rac 30 welia gvesmis, elementaruli

demagogia da spekulaciaa. mTeli ganvlili

istoriuli periodis manZilze, anu

damoukideblobis gamocxadebidan _ dRemde,

saqarTvelos arc erTi xelisufleba

„prorusuli” ar yofila! erTi maTganic

rom yofiliyo „prorusuli”, maSin es qveyana

(iseve, rogorc mezobeli somxeTi) am-

Jamad ruseTis iniciativiT Seqmnili

„koleqtiuri usafrTxoebis organizaciisa”

(ÎÄÊÁ) da sabaJo-ekonomikuri „evraziuli

kavSiris” wevri iqneboda. ai, es aris

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namdvili „prorusuloba”.

_ da ra gamosavali arsebobs am viTare-

bidan? realurad, visi gavlenis sfero

varT?

_ istoriuli paradoqsia: rogorc amerikis,

aseve ruseTis gavlenis sferoSi varT.

gaaCnia, ra SemTxvevaSi da ra mimarTulebiT,

anu rogor da rodis. „gavlenis” sfero

iseTi cnebaa, Cvens neba-survilze ar

aris damokidebuli. me magaliTad, namdvilad

varCevdi, saqarTvelo imdenad iyos

integrirebuli amerikis gavlenis sfero-

Si, rom mis strategiul mokavSired iqces,

rogoricaa israeli an azerbaijania _

TurqeTisTvis an somxeTi _ ruseTisTvis.

imedi viqonioT, es dRe dadgeba da rodesac/Tuki

dadgeba, „gavlenis sferoTa” gayofac

dRis wesrigidan moixsneba, raki

amerika Tavis mokavSireebs arasdros

aravis „uyofs”.

_ dabolos, erTi varaudic: Jurnal-

istze Tavdasxmis momzadebas Tveebi ar

sWirdeba. xom ar iyo es yvelaferi SiSis

dasaTesi manevri da metic: rame ufro mZ-

ime scenari xom ar SeiZleba arsebobdes,

rasac axla, savaraudod, yuradRebasac ar

vaqcevT? unda velodoT Tu ara ruseTis-

gan mniSvnelovan destabilizacias? Tum-

ca aqve aris kiTxva, _ Tu xelisufleba

ruseTis msaxuria, ratom awyobs ruseTs

aq destabilizacia?

_ xelisufleba _ dRevandelic da guSindelic

_ iseve ar aris ruseTis msaxuri,

rogorc opozicia _ winac da dRevandelic

_ ar aris ruseTis msaxuri. Tumca aris erTi

politikuri fenomeni, romelic martiv gantolebebs

mudam angrevs. esaa „sasargeblo

idiotTa” legioni, romelic, samwuxarod da

savalalod, tradiciulad, mravalricxovania

saqarTveloSi _ iyo, aris da, rogorc

Cans, kidev didxans iqneba. amas bolo 30 wlis

istoria erTmniSvnelovnad adasturebs.

rac Seexeba mkvlelobis momzadebas: dro da

momenti, rogorc yovelTvis, zustad aris

SerCeuli _ momaval arCevnebze am qveyanaSi

iseTi ambavi iqneba, ai, qarTuli gamoTqma

rom aris: „deda Svils ar aiyvans xelSi” da

am viTarebaSi Jurnalistis mkvleloba

„birTvuli afeTqeba” iqneboda. es iyo boroti

gaTvla, xolo „putinis pirovnul

SurisZiebaze” laparaki sasaciloa _ kaci

„mesame romis” imperatorobas apirebs da

qarTvel Jurnalists Tavs rogor „gauyadrebda?”

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gaqristianeba qarTvel

„qronika+~-is wina nomerSi

koka wereTeli

gamoqveynda axalgazrda mkvlevar

beqa WiWinaZis metad sain-

tereso publikacia, sadac ucnobi werilobiTi wyaroebisa da

arqeologiuri monacemebis meSveobiT axleburad iyo warmoCenili

qarTlis gaqristianebis istoriis pirveli etapi, pirve-

li qristianuli taZris mSenebloba.

„qronika+~ gTavazobT inter-

vius beqa WiWinaZesTan, romelic

isaubrebs publikaciis aranakleb

mniSvnelovan sakiTxze _ samefo

xelisuflebis sastik brZolaze

warmarTobasTan.

_beqa, cxadia, saqarTvelos

kuTxeebis gaqristianebas winaaRm-

degobebis gareSe ar Cauvlia.

rogorc CemTvis cnobilia, ram-

denime sxvadasxva _ axali wyaros

safuZvelze, sakiTxis Seneuli

xedva gaqvs.

_ saqarTvelos gaqristianebis

Sesaxeb mravali popularuli

samecniero narkvevi arsebobs, magram

TiTqmis arc erTi maTgani ar

iZleva am urTulesi problemis

mecnierul suraTs, ramdenadac

isini, ZiriTadad, ukiduresad tendenciur

qarTul wyaroebs eyrdnobian.

_ ratom?

_ mizezic is aris, rom ucxouri

wyaroebi metad mcirericxovani

da mwiria, nawili ki sruliad

ucnobi qarTuli samecniero

sazogadoebisTvis. aseT pirobebSi

aucilebelia, mkvlevarma farTod

gamoiyenos sakiTxTan dakavSirebuli

ucnobi werilobiTi wyaroebi,

arqeologiuri, palinologiuri,

eTnografiuli da enobrivi monacemebi,

romelTa meSveobiTac

kritikulad unda Seamowmos

qarTuli wyaroebi. aseT SemTxveva-

Si Zalian didi Sedegebi miiReba.

_ wina nomerSi gamoqveynebul

publikacias gulisxmob?

_ diax, mkiTxveli amis magaliTs

gazeTis wina nomerSi ixilavs, sadac

naCvenebia, Tu rogor zedmiwevniT

eTanadebian erTmaneTs sveticxovlis

taZris mSeneblobis

Sesaxeb CvenSi cudad cnobili

wyaros _ eTiopiuri svinaqsrisa da

arqeologiuri masalis Cvenebebi.

TviT tendenciuri qarTuli

wyaroebidanac kargad Cans, rom

qarTlis samefos farTo masebSi

qristianobisadmi arsebobda sastiki

Seuwynarebloba, saubari araa

ubralo miuReblobaze, rig SemTxvevebSi,

mosaxleoba gaqristianebas

samSoblodan gadaxvewasa da

gaqristianebuli Svilebis

daxocvasac ki amjobinebda.

_ ufro konkretulad...

_ ase moxda, magaliTad, fxovelebisa

da kolaelebis SemTxvevaSi.

somxeTsa da qarTlSi qurumTa

fenas gabatonebuli adgili

eWira. strabonis Tanaxmad, qurumebi

qarTlSi samefo sagvareulos

Semdeg meore adgils iWerdnen.

metic: mTeli qarTli am dros

sataZro Temebad iyofoda. Sesabamisad,

brZola warmarTobasTan ara

mxolod kulturul-religiur,

socialur-ekonomikur xasiaTsac

atarebda. amitomac qarTuli wyaro

sworad SeniSnavs, rom gaqristianeba,

es iyo: „Secvla yovlisa

wesisa amis queyanisa”.

_ cxadia, procesi winaaRmde-

gobebis gareSe ver Caivlida, ase

iyo yvelgan...

_ qarTlSi arsebuli msxvili

sataZro meurneobebi, bunebrivia,

am viTarebaSi unda qceuliyvnen

namdvil antisaxelisuflebo cixesimagreebad.

safiqrebelia, gansakuTrebiT

Zlieri taZrebi samefo

xelisuflebas winaaRmdegobis

gareSe ar Cabardeboda. amis Sesaxeb

miuTiTebs, erTi mxriv, arqeologiuri

monacemebi, xolo,

meore mxriv, is sagulisxmo garemoeba,

rom qristianobis saxelmwifo

religiad gamocxadebisas

somxeTSic samefo xelisuflebasa

da gansakuTrebiT Zlier warmarTul

taZrebs Soris sastiki

brZolebi iyo. yvelanairi safuZveli

gvaqvs qarTlSiac amgvarive

viTarebis savaraudeblad, vinaidan

warmarTuli kultis msaxurebi

Teokratiul qarTlSic gabatonebul

klass ganekuTvnebodnen

da am myari ekonomikuri safuZvlebis

mqone, aTaswleulTa siRrmeebSi

fesvgadgmuli genosis

amoZirkva mSvidobianad verasgziT

ganxorcieldeboda.

_ ra Tqma unda, amas konkret-

uli qmedebebi sWirdeboda...

_ amitomac maSin, rodesac far-

Tod gaiSala qristianuli taZrebis

mSenebloba, zadengoris wminda

cecxlis ormos qvebiT avsebdnen

da rodesac sveticxovels

safuZvels uyridnen, nekresis mi-

Treums pirvandel daniSnulebas

uspobdnen da qristianul samlocvelod

gardaqmnidnen, gansakuTrebiT

popularuli warmarTuli

kultis kerebis mosaspobad

ki maT alags qristianuli

taZrebi fuZndeboda. sxvaTa

Soris, Tavdapirvelad sveticxovlisa

da samTavros adgilebzec

warmarTul taZrebs varaudoben

(ix. i. demetraZe, „iberiis kulturuli

landSaftebi” gv.152). rac ar

unda sakvirveli gveCvenos, es me-

Todi eklesiisgan mTaSi warmarTuli

elementebis winaaRmdeg dRemde

gamoiyeneba.

_ ras gulisxmob?

_ magaliTad, warmarTobasTan

brZolis swored am tradiciuli

da Zalze efeqtiani meTodis

gamoyenebiT, am bolo xanebSi, lentexisa

da cageris mitropolitma

monasteri daaarsa svanTagan warmarTuli

ritualebis Sesasruleblad

gamoyenebul mTis mwvervalze

da am gziT warmarTuli kultis

es centri moSala.

_ amis Sesaxeb araferi vico-

di. magram Temas davubrundeT...

_ sayovelTaod cnobilia, rom

mTaSi imdenad sastiki brZola

gamoucxades qristianobas, mefe

miriani iZulebuli gaxda, Tavisi

erisTavis meSveobiT mTielebi maxvilis

ZaliT moeqcia da maTi kerpebi

daelewa. fxovelebma ki qveynis

datoveba amjobines ucxo sjulis

miRebas.

_ da sad Seafares Tavi fx-

ovelebma?

_ wyaros mixedviT, mTielma

qarTvelma warmarTebma Tavi Seafares

TuSeTs. Cans, am SemTxveva-

Si, qarTuli wyaro marTalia, radganac

am cnobis siswore sxva

wyaroebiT mowmdeba. „somxur geografiaSi”,

romelic, daaxloebiT,

swored am xanis wyaroebs eyrdnoba,

TuSeTi sarmatiis mxared iwodeba

(„somxuri geografia”, 1877 w.

gv.37.). amaves emowmeba iribad vax-

beqa WiWinaZe:

`qarTlis samefos

farTo masebSi

qristianobisadmi

sastiki

Seuwynarebloba

arsebobda~

uStic, romlis mixedviTac, TuSe-

Ti „Semdgomad mefeTa qarTvelTagan

dapyrobilia” (vaxuSti bagrationi,

„saqarTvelos geografia”,

1904 w. gv.169.). dabolos, qarTuli

wyaros am cnobas adasturebs

toponimuri monacemebic _ TuSeT-

Si mravali fxovur-xevsuruli

toponimia, romelic gaqristianebas

gamoqceulma ltolvilebma

Caitanes, amitomac gvaqvs ufleba,

es cnoba sarwmunod miviCnioT.

_ da mainc, ratom airCies

mTielebma TuSeTi?

_ qarTveli mTielebi TuSeTSi

mxolod imitom ar unda gaqceuliyvnen,

rom es teritoria

mirianis samefos sazRvrebs miRma

iyo, TuSeTSi _ SenaqosTan, niStayoSi,

arqeologebma gamoavlines

mTvaris RvTaebis grandiozuli

sataZro kompleqsis naSTebi. Cvenda

gasaocrad, aq miakvlies im wminda

jaWvsa da laxvarsac, romli-

Tac, strabonis Tanaxmad, mTvaris

qurumi adamianis msxverplSewirvis

rituals axorcielebda. mniSvnelovania,

rom sataZro kompleqsis

mdebareoba emTxveva strabonisagan

aRwerils. mTaSi, zogadad,

iseve rogorc am xanis barSic,

sataZro Temebi arsebobda, amitomac

dRevandeli TuSeTis terito-

`warmarTobasTan brZolis swored am

tradiciuli da Zalze efeqtiani meTodis

gamoyenebiT, am bolo xanebSi, lentexisa da

cageris mitropolitma monasteri daaarsa

svanTagan warmarTuli ritualebis

Sesasruleblad gamoyenebul mTis mwvervalze da

am gziT warmarTuli kultis es centri moSala~

ria elinistursa da romaul xana-

Si swored am grandiozuli sataZro

kompleqsis irgvliv unda yofiliyo

gaerTianebuli. amis gaTvaliswinebis

Semdeg ki qarTveli

warmarTebis TuSeTSi gaqcevis

faqti axleburad aJRerdeba _

qarTveli warmarTebi moZalade

qristianebs gamoeqcnen da Zlier

warmarTul sataZro gaerTianebas

Seafares Tavi.

_ istoria xom mxolod msje-

loba ar aris, _ riT dasturdeba

es mosazreba?

_ eTnografiuli masalebi saqarTvelos

istoriis am uzarmazari

mniSvnelobis problemaSi kidev

ufro meti sinaTlis Setanis sa-

Sualebas gvaZlevs. mkvlevar SoTa

kurdRelaiZis dRiurSi gansaxilveli

sakiTxisTvis erTi gadamwyveti

mniSvnelobis Cveulebaa dafiqsirebuli:

swored iq, sadac zemoxsenebuli

mTvaris taZari arsebobda,

SenaqoSi, giorgobisTveSi,

SuaRames TuSebi metad ucnaur

rituals asrulebdnen: rodesac

mTvares Savi laqebi daaCndeboda

xolme, rac Cveulebrivi, bunebrivi

movlenaa, TuSebi fiqrobdnen,

rom mas mesxebi Seesivnen da

stanjavdnen(?), amitomac mesxebis

dasafrTxobad Tofsa da muguzlebs

isrodnen. r. dolaberiZem

amasTan dakavSirebiT savsebiT samarTlianad

daaskvna: „am gadmocemidan

SeiZleba vifiqroT, rom

odesRac TuSeTSi mosul mesxebsa

da TuSebs Soris religiur niadagze

konfliqti momxdara. mTvaris

RvTaebas saSiSroeba daemuqra.

xalxi SeebrZola mesxebs da Tavisi

RmerTi _ mTvare daicva. es gadmocema

imis gamoZaxilia, rom Tu-

Sebis mTavari RvTaeba odiTganve

mTvare iyo da misi Tayvaniscemis

uZvelesi tradicia, gauTviTcnobiereblad,

eTnografiul sinamdvileSi

dResac arsebobs. igi bunebriv

movlenasTan dakavSirebiT

vlindeba”.

_ saintereso mosazrebaa, Tum-

ca...

_ SesaZloa, qarTuli mTis sinamdvileSi

gaucnobierebel adamians

zemoxsenebul daskvnaSi da-

Tanxmeba gauWirdes, magram qarTvel

mTielTa yofaze zerele warmodgenac

sakmarisia im daskvnisTvis,

rom samxedro dapirispirebebi

aq mudam moqiSpe mxareTa Rmer-

Tebs Soris brZolad iyo warmodgenili,

ramdenadac TiToeuli me-

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warmarTTa perspeqtividan

Teme Tavisi RvTaebis munj ymad

aRiqmeboda. amitomac mesxebisagan

mTvaris _ anu didi RvTaebisadmi

_ mtroba sxva araferia, Tu ara

mtroba TuSebisa, romlebic mTvaris

RvTaebis taZris garSemo

arian gaerTianebuli da qmnian

sataZro Tems.

_ Tavad mesxebze ras ityvi, vin

arian isini, mkiTxvels rom ganu-

marto?..

_ gavixsenoT elinisturi da

romauli xanis saqarTvelos istoriis

didi mkvlevris, akademikos

giorgi meliqiSvilis naSromebi,

romelmac daaskvna, rom eTnonimi

„mesxi” farTo mniSvnelobiT

aRniSnavda mTel qarTlis samefos,

ramdenadac politikurad wamyvani

aq mesxuri elementi iyo. swored

amitomac dasavleT saqarTvelos

aRmosavleTi nawili, romelic

qarTlis samefos farglebSi moeqca,

„mesxad” iwoda. axla gavixsenoT

vaxuStis cnoba, rom odesRac

momxdara TuSTa „dapyroba mefe-

Ta qarTvelTagan”, anu, am SemTxvevaSi,

mesxTagan. TuSebi gaer-

Tianebuli arian mTvaris RvTaebis

garSemo. Sesabamisad, qristianuli

qarTlis, anu mesxeTis samizne

swored TuSeTis administracia,

anu mTvaris RvTaebis taZari unda

yofiliyo. am movlenis daTariReba

Znelia. somxuri geografiidan

Cans, rom meoTxe saukunemde mainc

TuSeTi qarTls jerac ar daupyria,

amas ki is mniSvneloba aqvs,

rom Tavdasxma TuSeTze ukve gaqristianebul

qarTlis samefos unda

ganexorcielebina. amitomac Cndeboda

damatebiTi safuZveli imisTvis,

rom mesxebs, anu qristian

qarTlelebs, mTvarisTvis _ misi

taZrisTvis, emtroT. sainteresoa

isic, rom mezobeli mTielebi

TuSebs swored mesxebs uwodebdnen.

am garemoebam ar unda dagvabnios.

saqme isaa, rom TuSeTi „dapyrobil

iqna mefeTa qarTvelTagan”.

Sesabamisad, igi qarTlis samefos,

anu mesxTa samefos nawilad iqca.

amitomac mezoblebi amieridan

maTac mesxebs uwodebdnen, swored

ise, rogorc dasavleT saqarTvelos

aRmosavleT nawilis iberiis

samefoSi moqcevis Semdeg mezoblebi

maTac mesxebs uwodebdnen.

amitomac, rodesac qarTlis

mefeebma daipyres TuSeTi, razedac

qarTul-somxuri wyaroebis

monacemebiT vmsjelobT, am teritoriazec,

iseve rogorc sxva danarCenze,

gavrcelda aw ukve CrdiloeTisaken

gafarToebul aRmosavlur

qarTul gaerTianebaSi

politikurad wamyvani elementis

saxelwodeba _ „mesxi”.

_ realurad, e. i. mTielTa dapirispireba

maTi RmerTebis da-

pirispirebaa...

_ kavkasiis mTielTa gadmocemebSi

politikuri dapirispirebebi

ganxilulia RvTebaTa Soris dapirispirebebad,

amitom kargad

gasagebia, rom aRmosavleT qarTuli

gaerTianebis _ mesxebis samxedro

eqspansia TuSeTisaken aRqmuliyo

am regionis mpyrobeli

RvTaebis winaaRmdeg mimarTul

qmedebad. amgvarad, TuSebis am saocarma

tradiciam Semoinaxa qristianobasa

da warmarTobas Soris

warmoebuli sastiki brZolebis

cxoveli mogoneba.

_ magram mTa mainc gaqristianda

imis miuxedavad, rom iq dRemde

SemorCenilia uamravi war-

marTuli tradicia...

_ magram mTa ekonomikurad barze

iyo mibmuli da sastiki winaaRmdegoba

qristianobasTan sabolood

misi SewynarebiT dasrulda:

„erman qarTlisa”, romelsac

Wirveuli qalwuliviT ar surda

yofiliyo „sZali qristesi”, sabolood

RvTis ZesTan saqorwino

aRTqmis siwminde umwikvlod daimarxa.

msoflio scilasa da qaribdas Soris

Tengiz abloTia

msoflio virusTan Tanaarsebobis, Cveul cx-

ovrebasTan dabrunebisa da sazRvrebis gaxsnis

stadiaSi Sevida.

N13 (315) 23.06-06.07.2020 w.

es azri dominirebda sazogadoebaSi da

masmediaSi, sul raRac, 2 kviris win, Tumca

dRes ukve aSkaraa, rom msoflio mxolod

nawilobriv da Zalian frTxilad ixsneba _

rac, faqtobrivad, arasakmarisia globaluri

ekonomikuri kolafsis dasaZlevad.

kacobrioba dRes didi fobiis tyveoba-

Sia da bolomde ver gadauwyvetia, ra gziT

iaros da ra aris uaresi _ infeqcia Tu

ekonomikuri vardna?

yvela qveyana acnobierebs, rom didxans

Caketil mdgomareobaSi jdoma SeuZlebelia,

_ bolos da bolos, gareT gasvlis

droc modis. Tumca gasvlac martivi da usafrTxo

araa _ imis miuxedavad, rom

calkeul, ZiriTadad, evropul qveynebSi

pandemiis pikma Caiara, msoflio masStabiT

virusi araTu ar damarcxda, aramed Cveuli

tempebiT, TiTqmis iseve, rogorc

dasawyisSi, izrdeba da vrceldeba.

sxvadasxva qveyanaSi situacia gansxvavebulia,

Tumca moduneba aravis SeuZlia _

Tu sakuTar qveyanaSi yvelaferi SedarebiT

normaluradaa, magram samezobloSi Savi

Wiri boboqrobs, yuradRebis Sesusteba

dauSvebelia.

amitomac qveynebi ixsneba, magram iseTi

SezRudvebiT, rom ver gaigeb, _ es gaxsnaa,

Tu SezRudvebis axali forma?

ivnisis Sua ricxvebidan sazRvrebis gaxsna

evrokavSiris qveynebma daiwyes, oRond

mxolod erTmaneTSi da isic mxolod nawilobriv.

zogi mxolod uSualo mezoblebs

uxsnis kars, zogi ki qveynebs kategoriebad

yofs _ 100 000 mosaxleze inficirebis

masStabebis mixedviT.

sia yovel 2 kviraSi axldeba _ qveyana,

sadac ganvlil 14 dReSi naklebi dainficireba

moxda _ maRal kategoriaSi, meti

ki _ dabalSi gadadis.

es yvelaferi Zalze arastabiluri da

myifea _ SesaZloa, guSin saRamos qveyana usafrTxod

miiCneoda, dRes diliT ki _ piriqiT.

amitomac did da Sors mimaval gegmebs

aravin awyobs.

magaliTad, saberZneTi, gasagebi mizezebis

gamo, maqsimalur doneze gaxsnasa da momakvdavi

turistuli sezonis gadarCenas

cdilobs, Tumca, _ warumateblad. berZnuli

sastumroebis reklama, saocari xedebi

zRvaze, ulamazesi qaTqaTa sakurorto

qalaqebi, es yvelaferi mSvenieria, Tumca

dRes msoflio sakuTari qalaqis gareubanze

Sors gasamgzavreblad mzad araa, miT

umetes, TviTmfrinaviT gadaadgilebisTvis.

es xom didi diskomfortia _ yvela qveyanaSi

ucxoelebisTvis gansxvavebuli wesebi

moqmedebs: zog qveyanaSi kvlavac savaldebuloa

14-dRiani karantini, zogan aucilebelia

testireba, zogan ki araferi _

ubralod, gaivli da arafers gekiTxebian.

Tumca aravin icis, ramdenad stabiluria

Tundac ukve dRes moqmedi wesebi? Sesa-

Zloa, rodesac sxva qveyanaSi SemoxvediT,

erTi iyo, gasvlis dros ki _ sul sxva.

SesaZloa, kargad gatarebuli Svebulebis

Semdeg saxlSi dabrunebuls isev 2 kvira

Caketili yofna mogiwioT.

amis albaToba dRes ukve sakmaod dabalia

_ qveynebi, moxsnili SezRudvebis Sedegad,

epidemiologiuri viTarebis gauaresebis

pirobebSic ki, yvelanairad Tavs

ikaveben. Tumca vin icis, 2 kviraSi ra moxdeba?

vinmes rame garantiis micema SeuZlia?

cxadia, _ ara. da Tu ara, maSin arsad mivdivarT,

vsxedvarT saxlSi, ucxoeTSi ki

ukeTes dros vimogzaurebT.

amitomac saberZneTis erT-erTma umsxvilesma

sastumro kompleqsma Miraggio Thermal

Spa Resort-ma am sezonze gaxsna gadaifiqra.

es 2020 wlis turistuli sezonis

sruli kraxis erT-erTi utyuari niSania.

qveynebi SesaZleblobebs ebRauWebian da

realobas jiutad ar aRiareben _ igoneben

raRac „mwvane derefnebs”, romlebic saz-

Rvrebis gaxsnis pirobebSi epidemiologiuri

usafrTxoebis garantiad miiCneva. Tumca,

amave dros, ra akeTon, bolomde ar ician

da sakuTari qmedebebis sisworeSi darwmunebulebi

ar arian, amitomac dRes konkretul

qveynebTan sazRvrebs xsnian, mere

isev xuraven.

aviaciis saerTaSoriso saagentos informaciiT,

ivnisSi aviamimosvlam krizisamdelis

65%-s miaRwia _ es cudi maCvenebeli

ar aris, Tumca is mxolod didi qveynebis

Sida frenebis xarjzea miRweuli. saerTa-

Soriso frenebis aRdgena Zalian neli tempebiT

mimdinareobs, xolo aviaciis saerTa-

Soriso saagentos informaciiT, kontinent-

TaSorisi frenebi, ukeTes SemTxvevaSi, wlis

bolos ganaxldeba.

Seqmnili viTarebis aramdgradobis

saukeTeso maCvenebelia CineTi _ is xan ixsneba,

xan ixureba, xan Sida frenebs aaxlebs,

xan asobiT aviareiss auqmebs, xan koronaviruss

damarcxebulad acxadebs, xan mTel

qalaqebsa da regionebs xuravs.

arastabilurobis doneze navTobis fasic

metyvelebs, romelic xan izrdeba da xan

isteriulad ecema _ msoflio ekonomikam

verafriT ver gaigo, bolos da bolos, vixsnebiT,

Tu ara?

sagulisxmoa situacia samxreT kavkasia-

Si, sadac, yvelaferTan erTad, iseTi myife

faqtoris arseboba, rogoricaa iRbali,

naTlad dadasturda.

gaxsnis pirvelive, frTxili mcdelobebis

Semdeg, somxeTsa da azerbaijans meore

talRa ise daatyda Tavs, rom jer pirvelic

ar dasrulebuliyo. iq dReSi asobiT

axali dainficirebuli da aTobiT gardacvlilia.

Sesabamisad, azerbaijani isev

karantinSia, somxeTi ki jer Tavs ikavebs.

asea Tu ise, yovel SemTxvevaSi, saqarTvelos

mezobel qveynebTan sazRvris gaxsnis

sakiTxi saerTod ar ganixileba. da es maSin,

rodesac swored somxeTi da azerbaijania

CvenTan turistuli nakadis mxriv mTavari

partniori da aseve maTzea damokidebuli

avtomobilebis reeqsportis dargi.

saqarTveloSi ki, am dros, epidemiologiuri

TvalsazrisiT, TiTqmis idealuri

situaciaa, oRond amas sakuTar organizebulobasa

da disciplinas nu mivawerT

_ qarTvelma xalxma virusis gasavrceleblad

yvelaferi gaakeTa: sufrebi

moawyo, eklesiebSi iara, saerTo kovziT

eziara da a. S.

saqarTvelom karantini TiTqmis iseve

daicva, rogorc mezobelma qveynebma, ubralod,

gagvimarTla _ virusi araa maTematika

da zusti mecniereba, is qaosurad vrceldeba

da am dros gamarTleba-argamarTlebas

SesaZloa, gadamwyveti mniSvneloba

hqondes. CvenTan yvelaferi zustad iseve

xdeba, rogorc yvelgan _ igive fobiebi,

igive momavlis gaurkvevloba da impulsuroba:

ra vqnaT, gavxsnaT sazRvrebi? aba,

turistebis gareSe ra gavakeToT? da turistebTan

erTad infeqciac Semova? da iqneb,

kontroli gavamkacroT? maSin CvenTan vin

Camova? _ es aris kiTxvebi, romlebzedac

pasuxebi, rogorc Cans, kidev didxans ar

iqneba. am dros vaqcina da wamali, romelic

amas yvelafers wertils dausvams, jerac

ar arsebobs.

amitomac kacobrioba kvlav dgas scilasa

da qaribdas Soris da karis iseTnairad

gaxsnas cdilobs, rom virusi ar SemouSvas.

jer arcTu warmatebulad.

Tanac, yvela meore talRas elis...

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rezo SatakiSvili

lisuflebas axla ukve qarTveli

xalxis sisxliTac ar gaesvara

is saxe, romelzedac okupantis

Ramis qoTani emxo...

ivaniSvilis xelisuflebam

sisxli daRvara, damiznebiT esrodnen

da Tvalebs sTxridnen...

es yvelaferi viciT, magram axla

imaze ar vwer, roca xelisufleba

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Tavs...

Tavidanve arsebobda eWvi,

rom xalxze srolis brZaneba

maSindel Sinagan saqmeTa ministr

gaxarias ar gaucia. yvelafers

rom Tavi davaneboT,

amgvar gadawyvetilebas biZina

ivaniSvilis gareSe verc gaxaria

miiRebda da verc _ veravin!

anu yvelaze didi, rac SeiZleboda

momxdariyo, iyo is, rom

srolis brZaneba gasca ivaniSvilma

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gadasca specrazms, anu gaxariam

brZaneba ki ar gasca, brZaneba

gadasca.

magram maSinve iyo eWvi, rom

gaxaria opoziciasTan molaparakebebs

apirebda, parlamentSi

mosalaparakeblad unda Sesuliyvnen

nika melia, gigi ugulava,

grigol vaSaZe. nika meliam

demonstratebs acnoba kidec,

rom arsebobda aseTi SeTavazeba

da ikiTxa, _ unda Sesuliyvnen

Tu ara liderebi? swored

amis Semdeg atyda srola da

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idga im specrazmelebis

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Tavidan gaxariac isxletda

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brZaneba, amis dajereba

yovelgvar saR azrsaa moklebuli!

vinc odnav mainc icnobs

biZina ivaniSvilis marTvis

stils, yovlad warmoudgenelia,

mis gareSe vinmes amgvari

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roca SeTavazebaze dasTanxmda

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saqmeTa ministris nacvlad br-

Zaneba gasca, Tanac sxvisi meSveobiT

miitana es brZaneba specrazmamde

da igi ofsaitSi datova

opoziciis im liderebTan

erTad, romelTanac apirebda

molaparakebas. ra unda eqna gaxarias,

_ gamosuliyo da es yvelaferi

Riad moeyola? ratomac

ara? swored es iqneboda

misgan moqalaqeobrivad yvelaze

pasuxismgebliani da Rirseuli

nabiji. magram es gmirobis

tolfasia. gaxaria gmiri ar

aris da, Sesabamisad, verc movismineT

misgan amgvari ram. diax,

vili ukve qveda rgolebs ukav-

Sirdeboda _ saqmidan gamqralia!

yayiCaSvili ra brZanebebs

aZlevda msrolelebs, gamqralia.

Tavad yayiCaSvili qveynidan

gaqceulia safrangeTSi

da politikur TavSesafars

iTxovs.

rogorc Canawerebidan irkveva,

yayiCaSvilma orjer ikiTxa,

gamoeyenebina Tu ara tyviebi da

orivejer, _ erTxel gaxariasgan,

meored ki misi moadgilisgan

_ uari miiRo. anu faqtia,

rom brZaneba gaxarias ar gaucia.

qveda rgolebTan damakav-

Sirebeli raciiT yayiCaSvili,

faqtia, ver miiRebda brZanebas.

am CanawerebSi, rogorc Cans,

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saqmidan Canawerebi gaqra, qveynidan

_ TviTon yayiCaSvili.

faqtia, rom srolis brZaneba an

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an pirdapir rigiTma,

ase vTqvaT, msrolelma specrazmelebma

miiRes uSualo brZaneba

im sxvisgan. srolis dawyebis

Semdeg maTgan pasuxi moiTxova

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Cans, maTac is „sxva” daasaxeles,

vinc brZaneba gasca da amitomac

aorTqlda is Canawerebi...

„tv-pirvelis” siuJetSic iyo

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romlebisganac pirveli

tyvia (rezinis) gavarda,

idga CubiniZe, romelic davalroca

gabrmaveben, roca Tavs ibrmaveb...

sazogadoebam ki am bolo

dros nakowiwebi miTebi erTad

daamsxvria da Tbilisi mRelvarebam

moicva. ra miTebi? ai, is,

rom axalgazrdobas arc qveyana

ainteresebs, arc misi okupacia

aRelvebs, rom xalxi quCa-

Si ar gamodis da a. S. xalxi gamovida

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cxadia, jobda, is Rame

aseve dasrulebuliyo da xe-

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aba, ra moxda, ratom aitaca

qveyanam is, rom axalgazrdobas

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ratom gakeTda aqcenti mxolod

da mxolod gaxariaze da

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CubiniZeze isrebis gadataniT

pirdapir biZinamde mividoda

kvali? amis gareSec ratom ar

aRiares ivaniSvili TvalTxariad?

TvalTxariad mxolod gaxarias

gamocxadeba iyo Tu ara Tavad

oligarqis TamaSis wesebis

miReba? im TamaSis, romelic

Tavad gaxariam miiRo (daibrala,

xalxurad rom vTqvaT, „Seitena”

sisxliani brZanebis gacema)

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sazogadoebamac!

ai, ase avdeqiT da davibrmaveT

Tavi, viTom ar viciT, rom

biZina ivaniSvilis gareSe veravin

gabedavda srolas, viTom

ar dagvinaxavs kadrebSi CubiniZe,

viTom ar gavigeT varaudebi...

vinmem ise ar ifiqros, rom me

gaxariasTvis TvalTxarias tituli

ar memeteba. ara da ara!

rodesac adamiani amgvar rames

ibralebs, Rirsicaa ataros es

tituli. miT umetes, roca igi

am dumilisa da pasuxismgeblobis

sakuTar Tavze aRebis sanacvlod

winaurdeba... swored es

dawinaureba xdis mis „aRiarebas”

kidev ufro upatiebels,

mas pirdapir ivaniSvilze unda

daedo xeli, rac radikalurad

Secvlida suraTs. Sualeduri

gancxadeba ver iqneboda _ an

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araferi da „eRiarebina”, rom

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im SemTxvevaSi, Tu gaxaria ar

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auyiravdeboda situacia

ivaniSvils, kvali mainc mas-

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sakuTar Tavze aiRo „Tval-

Txarioba”. gaakeTa is, rac biZina

ivaniSvils undoda. es gasagebia,

magram sazogadoebam,

opoziciam ratom miiRo es

TamaSis wesebi? Cven ratom davibrmaveT

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rom am gadawyvetilebas veravin

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iyo varaudebi, eWvebi, Semdeg

xom ukve ombudsmenmac gaaJRera,

rom brZaneba gaxarias ar

gaucia? miuxedavad amisa, arc

Semdeg gadauxedia gaxarias

eqskluziuri TvalTxariobisTvis.

rasTan gvaqvs saqme? ratom

vakisrebT mTel pasuxismgeblobas

erT cal gaxarias da ratom

vaTavisuflebT am pasuxismgeblobisgan

igive ivaniSvils?

gasul SabaTs, „gavrilovis

Ramidan” zustad wlisTavze,

„tv-pirvelze”, nodar melaZis

SabaTSi, vrceli siuJeti gavida

am Temaze. rogorc irkveva,

gaxarias araTu ar gaucia brZaneba,

winaaRmdegic iyo. im raciis

Canawerebidan, romliTac

gansakuTrebul davalebaTa departamentis

ufros giorgi yayiCaSvils

kavSiri hqonda ministrTan

da ministris moadgileebTan,

irkveva, rom gaxaria

da misi moadgile garkveviT

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Canawerebi, romliTac yayiCaS-

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erTxel cxadyo da naTeli mohfina

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kvlavac pasuxgaucemeli rCeba

kiTxva, ratom vibrmavebT, ratom

vityuebT Tavs? ra gvrjis?

marTali giTxraT, swored es ar

mesmis! ar mesmis, ratom vuwodeT

mxolod gaxarias TvalTxaria

da ar vuwodeT es ivaniSvils

an _ CubiniZes?

aRSfoTebuli adamiani, sazogadoeba,

rogorc wesi, gulwrfelia

xolme aRSfoTebaSi

da axla ra sWirs sazogadoebas?

rogor virwmuno sazogadoebis

gulwrfelobis, rodesac

Tvals xuWaven sinamdvileze

da mxolod imaze pedalireben,

rac xelewifebaT?

es kidev calke sakiTxia, ratom

da vis awyobs mxolod gaxarias

gaSaveba? ra aris amocana?

ivaniSvilis imijis gadarCena?

CemTvis marTla amouxsnelia,

rodesac msxverpli xar, ranairad

unda daibrmavo Tavi, Caigubo

pirSi wyali da Seni gulwrfeli

aRSfoTeba, risxva ar

mimarTo misken, visganac modis

Seni gaubedurebis brZaneba?!

mesmis, rom ar daindo isic, visac

oficialurad akisria pasuxismgebloba

da vinc Seixoca da

Seizila es umsgasvi brZaneba,

magram sad weria, mxolod mas

Seawmindo yvelaferi da vimeoreb,

zustad maTi TamaSi iTamaSo?

esec rom ara, mTeli tvirTis

gaxariaze akideba im SemTxveva-

Sic gaugebaria, Tu am xelisuflebas

ebrZvi. ras mogcems es?

biZina gaxarias gauSvebs da sxvas

mouSvebs Tavis turfa sabaRnaro-sapingvinoSi?

ukacravad

da es xom araa, zog-zogierTis

amocanac? anu raRac nawili

xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg

ki ar ibrZvis, garedan viRac-vi-

Racebs exmareba Sidasaxelisuflebo

brZolaSi...

ra giTxraT? _ marTla gulwrfelad

ar mesmis aravisi,

vinc ivaniSvilsa da mTel saxelisuflebo

manqanas aTavisuflebs

sisxlliani tvirTisgan

da mTel am tvirTs erT gaxarias

kidebs.

mTel am istoriaSi mSvenivrad

mesmis, ra amoZaravebda da

amoZravebs Tavad ivaniSvils,

roca pasuxismgebloba aisxlita.

gadasarevad mesmis, rac

amoZravebda da amoZravebs Tvi-

Ton gaxarias, rodesac es Seizila

da Seitena, magram aranairad

ar mesmis sazogadoebis,

romelmac es yvelaferi icis da

mainc TuTiyuSiviT gaiZaxis

„gaxaria-TvalTxarias”. Tu eWvi

Seitane maT paTosSi, umal gaxarias

mxardamWerad gamogacxadeben,

arada, swored TviTon

cekvaven (nebsiT Tu uneblieT)

gaxariasTan da ivaniSvilTan

erTad tik-toks...

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goCa mircxulava

Cvens sazogadoebaSi, gnebavT, saxelmwifoSi, didia „sasargeblo

idiotebis” xvedriTi wili, romlebic verasodes aTviTcno-

biereben saxelmwifoebriv safrTxeebs. maT hibridul omze, mis

Sedegebze metad romelime saxlis saxuravidan gadmovardnili

aguris ufro eSiniaT. am damokidebulebis Sedegi is aris, rom

sazogadoebaSi, saxelmwifos moqalaqeebSi, samSoblo, samoqalaqo

pasuxismgeblobis gancda nivelirdeba. masis, gnebavT, eleq-

toraluri masis mTavari motivatori ki kveba da CeCma xdeba.

bolo dReebis ganmavlobaSi

ganviTarebulma movlenebma kidev

erTxel damarwmuna ganvlili

saprezidento arCevnebis dros Cem

mier gaJRerebuli formulis _

„gaitaneT ruseTi sajaro politikidan”

_ marTebulobaSi. magram

isic mesmis, rom qarTuli politikuri

klasisTvis am formulis

ngreva sasurveli ar aris, radgan

es oponentebTan brZolis advili

gzaa. Tumca es klasi ver xvdeba,

aRniSnuli formulis meSveobiT

rogor azianebs saxelmwifos da

rogor dahyavs qarTuli politika

„kveba-CeCmis” politikamde (socialur

problematikaSi ar aurioT).

Zalian martivi dakvirveba: aba,

odnav davZaboT mexsiereba da gavixsenoT,

arsebobda damoukideblobis

ganmavlobaSi romelime

lideri da politikuri Zala,

romelic rusul talaxSi ar agoraves

oponentebma? TviT gamsaxurdiac

ki, romelic putCis mxardam-

Werad gamocxadda da mogvianebiT

misi groznodan dabruneba rusul

proeqtad Sefasda? SevardnaZeze

arc Rirs saubari, Tumca yvela

codvis miuxedavad, aravis surs

jiutad gaixsenos stambolis istoriuli

samiti, romelmac realurad

gansazRvra qveynis geopolitikuri

arCevani. saakaSvils

xom „kgb”-s jarebSi msaxurobidan

dawyebuli, biZamisis rusuli kav-

SirebiT dasrulebuli, ruseTTan

politikuri flirtis yvela codva

ahkides oponentebma. rac xdeba

ivaniSvilis xelisuflebis mimarT,

amas gadasarevad vxedavT axla.

qarTuli xelisuflebebisTvis

„prorusulis” iarliyad mikereba

politikuri gaiZverobaa, romelic

kargad iyideba, magram romelic

Zalian azianebs saxelmwifos. Cven

ar varT israeli, ufro sworad,

aSS-isTvis ar varT imave geopolitikuri

Rirebulebis, rogorc israeli,

rom man Cven gamo Ria

samxedro moqmedebebi daiwyos da

yvelaferSi marTali aRmovCndeT,

rogorc Zlieris megobari.

damoukideblobis ganmavlobaSi,

ruseTTan mimarTebiT, sajarod

gvqonda oTxi gansxvavebuli strategiuli

midgoma: radikaluri

(gamsaxurdia), loialuri (SevardnaZe),

reaqciuli (saakaSvili), mTvlemare

(ivaniSvili). sami strategiis

pirobebSi davkargeT teritoriebi

da Tan saomari moqmedebebiT,

meoTxe strategiis pirobeb-

Sic vkargavT, magram uomrad. aq

damokidebuleba procesisadmi

aris orgvari: „Cven viomeT da ise

davkargeT!”, „Tu kargav, gmirulad

mainc dakarge!” ar daviwyeb am

damokidebulebebis arsobrivi idiotizmis

axsnas, radgan orive mcdaria.

miT ufro, pirveli, romlis

ukan asobiT kubo Cans naTlad. am

dros xom Cven gvaviwydeba, rom

politikaSi, miT ufro iseTi mowyvladi

qveynisTvis, rogoric saqarTveloa,

umniSvnelovanesia pragmatizmi.

umniSvnelovanesia mSvidoba

da ara _ omi. Tundac imitom,

rom Cven ar varT israeli da, Tqven

warmoidgineT, arc azerbaijani,

romelsac mokavSired TurqeTi

hyavs. kidev erTxel gaviazroT, ra

xdeba regionSi: TurqeTi iomebs

azerbaijanisTvis; ruseTi iomebs

somxeTisTvis, magram saqarTvelosTvis

aravin iomebs!

am pirobebSi, ra Tqma unda,

emocia da viTarebis simwvave, Sinagani

boRma, gardasul dReTa

mogonebebi geubneba: „Tu kargav,

gmirulad mainc dakarge!” miT

ufro, rom Zalian ar ginda, qveynis

moRalate da „ruseTume” gerqvas.

am dros xom aravis axsovs,

Tundac, istoria _ ra xdeboda manam,

sanam giorgi brwyinvale „brwyinvale”

gaxdeboda. diax, es ar axsovdaT

arc gamsaxurdias, arc SevardnaZis,

arc saakaSvilis oponentebs

da ratom unda axsovdeT

ivaniSvilis mowinaaRmdegeebs,

rodesac xelisuflebisgan „gmirobas”

iTxov, gana sxva rames?

ra Tqma unda, yovelTvis Sei-

Zleba ufro ukeT, ufro warmatebulad

da, am mxriv, verc erT xelisuflebaze

ityvi, rom mas ar

SeeSala, rame ar daaklo. nebismieri

xelisuflebis oponenti xom

mSvidobas ki ara, oms iTxovs _

ruseTis prezidentebis (elcini,

putini, medvedevi, putini) damxobas

ki ara _ ruseTis daSla-ganadgurebas

iTxoven moqmedi xelisuflebebisgan.

Riad rom ar

saubroben, imas ki ar niSnavs, rom

gamsaxurdia-SevardnaZe-saakaSvili-ivaniSvilisgan

soWis dabrunebasac

ar iTxovdnen da iTxoven.

magram am yvelafris fonze

yoveli xelisuflebis oponentma

icis, rom arc erTi xelisufleba

saqarTveloSi ar yofila da verc

momavalSi iqneba rusebis mona da

vasali. ubralod, Temaa, erTi

SexedviT, kargi, magram Sinaarsobrivad

_ damazianebeli.

aqve, roca damazianebelze

vsaubrob, xazgasmiT unda aRvniSno

erTi mniSvnelovani garemoeba:

yvela, uklebliv yvela politikuri

Zala, romelic brals

sdebda da sdebs xelisuflebebs

„prorusulobaSi”, konkretuli

procesis dros, Tavad TanamSromlobda

„mexuTe kolonasTan”,

aZlierebda ruseTis mTavar

ideologiur dasayrdens qveyanaSi

_ sapatriarqos da wiTel inteligencias,

maT naSier-memkvidreebs

da xelisuflebaSi yofnisas

verc erTma gabeda mieRo lustraciis

kanoni. xelisuflebebis

„prorusulobis”, anu rogorc Jurnalistma

da istorikosma daTo

gamcemliZem SeniSna, „antierovnulobisa”

da Cemgan davamateb _ „antisaxelmwifoebriobis”

Tema kargad

iyideba, magram, realurad,

blefia, radgan damoukideblobis

ganmavlobaSi saqarTvelos ar hyolia

„prorusuli”, „antierovnuli”

xelisuflebebi. ai, miTxariT,

rogor unda aexsna zviad gamsaxurdias

sakuTari mosaxleobisTvis,

rom mexuTe kolona abralebda

ruseTumeobas? rogor unda aexsna,

rom misi amomrCeveli ver xedavda

misi cxovrebis sazriss _ imperiis

winaaRmdeg brZolas? rogor

aexsna SevardnaZes, rom ruse-

Ti misTvis iyo saSualeba da Tu

pirovnul ambiciebamde davalT,

misTvis, ruseTis politikaSi kargad

gaTviTcnobierebuli personisTvis,

cxadad iyo gasagebi, Sei-

Zleba Tu ara kremlis ndoba da

partniorad igive beikeri, genSeri,

anu dasavleTi miaCnda. miuxedavad

uamravi codvisa, Tu gnebavT, danaSaulisa,

swored man ar gansazRvra

saqarTvelos prodasavluri

kursi? rogor unda aexsna mixeil

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`prorusuli~

narativis

Sedegi: kuWis

monobidan _

CeCmis

msaxurebamde

saakaSvils sakuTari mosaxleobisTvis,

rom misi politikuri SemarTeba,

gnebavT, „sulswrafoba” _

saxelmwifos mSeneblobisa da warmatebis

ukidegano wyurvils emyareboda?

rom igi qarTveli li

huanis simbolos qmnida, romelsac

yvela frontze erTbaSad surda

gamarjveba. am brZolaSi ki ruse-

Ti misTvisac saSualeba iyo mtris

xatis formirebisTvis, xolo engurhesis

rusebisTvis marTvaSi

gadacema (sxva braldebebs rom Tavi

davaneboT) gardauvali aucilebloba,

romelic sajaro axsnis

sfero ar aris, magram mSvenieri

„aqtia” misi ruseTumeobaSi dasadanaSauleblad.

rogor axsnas

ivaniSvilma, rom misTvis, rogorc

mentalurad biznesmenisTvis, mniSvnelovania

mSvidoba da sruliad

ararelevanturia misi politikis

Sedareba daTvisTvis babaias daZaxebis

„ambavTan”. misi politikis

arsia: „Íå òðîíü ãîâíî - âîíÿòü íå

áóäåò”!

iciT, ra sargebloba moqvs ruseTisTvis

qarTveli „sasargeblo

idiotebis” sibrmaves _ hibriduli

omis daunaxavobasa da wina planze

piradi politikuri ambiciebis

wamowevas? ruseTis specsamsaxurebma

da diplomatebma kargad

ician, rom adamianebs jabnian ara

mtrebi, aramed SiSebi. amitom,

rodesac qarTuli politikuri

klasis erTi nawili brals sdebs

xolme xelisuflebebs „prorusulobaSi”,

amiT gaucxovebasa da

brZolisunarianobas ki ar amaRlebs,

_ piriqiT! adamianebs uCndebaT

gancda, rogor xdeba, rom sabolood

yvela xelisufleba ruse-

Tis msaxuria? anu ruseTi Zalian

magaria, Zlieria da SiSi imisa, rom

ZlierTan SesaZloa, damarcxde,

Tundac, gmirulad, gmirobis elements

anivelirebs, aClungebs. gmirobis

arsi sabolood gamarjvebaa.

gmiroba da simamace erTmaneTSi ar

avurioT, nurc simamaceSi avurevT

siSleges. anu adamianebi iwyeben

fiqrs: Tu is _ ruseTi _ yovel-

Tvis gvjabnis, risTvis viomo,

risTvis vibrZolo? CaTrevas Cayola

xom ar sjobs? miT ufro, rom

`yvela, uklebliv yvela politikuri Zala,

romelic brals sdebda da sdebs

xelisuflebebs `prorusulobaSi~, konkretuli

procesis dros, Tavad TanamSromlobda

`mexuTe kolonasTan~, aZlierebda ruseTis

mTavar ideologiur dasayrdens qveyanaSi -

sapatriarqos da wiTel inteligencias, maT

naSier-memkvidreebs da xelisuflebaSi yofnisas

verc erTma gabeda mieRo lustraciis kanoni~

lideri, romelsac vendobi, Turme,

prorusi yofila. ar aris es

ruseTisTvis gakeTebuli saqme? am

gancdis Sedegi xom ar gaxlavT sxvadasxva

sockvlevis Sedegebi sab-

WoTa kavSirisadmi nostalgiis

mqoneTa, iseve rogorc saxelmwifos

nomer pirveli safrTxis _

ruseTis mimarT loialurad ganwyobilTa

raodenobis zrda?

Cven gvjabnian ara mtrebi, aramed

Cveni SiSebi... adamianebTan

brZola naklebad sainteresoa, vidre

SiSTan Serkineba da masze gamarjveba

an kidev rogori gancdaa

mudmivad imis mtkiceba Cveni

dasavleli partniorebisTvis, rom

saqarTvelos „prorusuli” xelisuflebebi

hyavs?

ai, „me”, amerikeli an evropeli

politikosi, vzivar da vfiqrob, _

gasuli saukunis 90-iani wlebidan

es saxelmwifo da misi mosaxleoba

gadavarCine SimSils, amoviyvane

samoqalaqo omis „narCenebidan”, gadavarCine

2008 wels, vaZlev daxmarebebs,

ganaTlebis uflebas, vaxorcieleb

investicias mis ekonomikaSi

da eseni yovel jerze irCeven

TiTqos prodasavlur da bolos

aRmoCndeba, rom prorusul, anu

antierovnul Zalebs. 2018 wels xelisuflebasac

da opoziciasac

prezidentobis kandidatad hyavda

prorusi persona (es xom movaxerxeT,

rom am narativs ecocxla)... vin

arian eseni da ratom unda davexmaro

an davaxarjo amaT ganviTarebas

rame saxis resursi? da aris

SesaZlebeli Tu ara, erT dResac

„Tqvan”, _ wavidnen, amaTi dedac...

ho, amerikaSic iginebian... amitom,

roca vambob, maqsimalurad frTxilebi

unda viyoT SefasebebSi

rusuli narativiT, amis winapiroba

aris ricxvebi da/an narativis

fsiqologiuri gavlena masaze.

vimeoreb: Cven xom Zalian xSirad

gvaviwydeba, hibriduli omis

pirobebSi rom vcxovrobT,

„sasargeblo idiotebic” blomad

gvyavs da arc imis gaxseneba gvinda,

2008 wlis agvistoSi 80 km.-Si

omi midioda, mtkvris orive sanapiros

gaswvriv mdebare restornebi

ki gadaWedili gaxldaT moqeife

qarTvelebiT da rusuli hangebic

blomad ismoda. swored im wuTeb-

Si ki anwuxeliZesa da mis TanamebrZolebs

awamebdnen da klavdnen...

hkiTxeT fsiqologebs, ra efeqti

aqvs am „prorusulis” kultivirebas

im masisTvis, romelic

xan brZeni ggoniaT da xan 5 kg.

kartofilze gayidulebi. egeni ar

wyveten, sabolood, arCevnebis

beds? da barem, es Tema rom amovwuro,

saqarTveloSi verasodes

iqneba xelisufleba, romelic mis

dasavlur kurss Secvlis.

amitom prorusuli _ anu „antierovnuli

kursi” rom hqondes

romelime xelisuflebas, politikuri

xelovneba imas moiTxovs,

es kursi swor kalapotSi moaqcio

da ara imas, rom „rwmenaSi ganamtkico”

„37 maneTiani travmis matarebeli”

mosaxleoba.

diax, kvlav da kvlav dabejiTebiT

vimeoreb: unda gavitanoT rusuli

Tema qarTuli politikuri

diskursidan. ufro sworad, unda

davasruloT xelisuflebebis

dadanaSauleba „prorusulobaSi”.

es aClungebs safrTxis gancdas, es

aguebs mosaxleobas imasTan, rom

Cven mudmivad _ yvela xelisuflebis

pirobebSi _ vrCebiT rusuli

gavlenis sferod. yvelaze mTavari:

es aguebs mosaxleobas imas,

rom ruseTi mudam „aq” aris da es

Segueba cvlis mis prioritets, mis

msoflmxedvelobas, romelic moqalaqes

damoukideblobisa da

TavisuflebisTvis mebrZolad ki

ara, kuWis monad da CeCmis msaxurad

aqcevs.

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Tbilisis saapelacio sasamarT-

Tamar rostiaSvili

los samoqalaqo saqmeTa palatis

577 10 07 06

2020 wlis 8 ivnisis ganCinebiT,

ruseTis moqalaqe olivia antons

arasrulwlovani Svilis saqarTvelodan gayvana aekrZala.

bunebrivad dgeba sakiTxi, rom

bavSvis mama qarTvelia, ufro

sworad, samarTlebrivi eniT rom

vTqvaT _ saqarTvelos moqalaqe.

msgavsi araferi gegonoT _ deda

ruseTis federaciis moqalaqe

gaxlavT, mama ki CexeTis respublikis

moqalaqea.

am etapze saqarTvelos sasamarTlo

ganixilavs dakavebuli

arasrulwlovnis kviprosSi dabrunebis

sakiTxs. qarTul sazogadoebas

kargad axsovs 2 ivnisis

minibrifingi, rodesac orma saxelmwifo

dawesebulebam sajaro

gancxadeba gaakeTa. kerZod, „saxelmwifo

zrunvisa da trefikingis

msxverplTa daxmarebis saagentom”

da saqarTvelos Sinagan

saqmeTa saministrom (vake-sabur-

Talos sammarTvelos policiis

meoTxe ganyofileba). operacia

erToblivad Caatara, ramac gamoiwvia

bavSvis erTi kanonieri

mSoblidan meore kanonier mSobelze

(dacvis mxaris gancxadebiT,

bavSvis nebis sawinaaRmdegod)

gadacema da warTmeva.

mkiTxveli Tavidanve saqmis

kursSi rom CavayenoT, mdgomareoba

aseTia:

bavSvi dabadebidan izrdeba mamasTan

da mamis ojaxTan. rogor?

ratom? ra viTarebaSi? da a. S.

detalebs ar CaveZiebiT, magram

qarTulma policiam arasrulwlovnis

dedis mimarT 3-jer miiRo

Semakavebeli orderis gamoyenebis

gadawyvetileba. or SemTxvevaSi

_ meuRlesTan konfliqtis

gamo, erT SemTxvevaSi ki bavSvTan

fsiqologiuri Zaladobis safuZvelze.

aqve davZenT, rom mamis

ojaxi 2018 wlamde kviprosSi cxovrobda

(sadac bavSvis dedac imyofeboda),

xolo mas Semdeg, rac

mamis ojaxi 2018 wlis dekembridan

saqarTveloSi sacxovreblad

kviprosis respublikidan gadmovida,

Sewyda bavSvis dedis materialuri

uzrunvelyofa. kviprosSi

darCenilma dedam sarCeli waradgina

Svilis gauCinarebis Sesaxeb

da samarTlebrivi meTodebiT

daiwyo saqarTveloSi myofi meu-

Rlis ojaxisTvis Svilis moTxovna.

Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlos

gankargulebis safuZvelze,

dedas _ olivia anotons _ mieni-

Wa ufleba, bavSvi waiyvanos RamisTeviT.

olivia antonma SeZlo

ssip saxelmwifo zrunvisa da

trefikingis msxverplTa, dazaralebulTa

daxmarebis saagentos

menejmentis sami warmomadgenlis

_ nino iobaSvilis, giorgi

kupreiSvilisa da eTer cxakaias

(romelic, amJamad ganTavisuflebulia,

maT Soris, dasaxelebuli

saqmis gamo) daxmareba, aseve

samarTaldamcveli organoebis

mimarT saCivrebis wardgena, sadac

aRniSnulia, rom arasrulwlovnis

mama arRvevs kanons da

ar aRasrulebs sasamarTlos

droebiT gankargulebas _ dedisTvis

Svilis Cvenebas.

Zalian sainteresoa mamis dacvis

mxaris _ „axalgazrda advokatebis”

gancxadeba, romelTa ganmartebiT,

mama imdenad zrunavs

Tavis Svilze, rom gaaZliera

arasruwlovnis usafrTxoebis

dacva. arasrulwlovnis gadaadgilebas

icavda daqiravebuli piradi

dacva, vinaidan sxvadasxva

wyarodan miRebuli informaciiT,

deda _ olivia antoni _ gegmavs

bavSvis gayvanas qveynidan saqar-

Tvelos arakontrolirebadi regionis,

cxinvalis gavliT, ruse-

Tis federaciaSi. vinaidan da

radganac olivia antoni aris

ruseTis federaciis moqalaqe,

misTvis aralegalurad administraciuli

mniSvnelobis sazRvris

kveTa ar warmoadgens problemas.

bavSvis ruseTis federaciaSi aRmoCenis

SemTxvevaSi ki saqarTvelos

sasamarTlos nebismieri

gadawyvetileba ver aRsruldeba.

„axalgazrda advokatebi”

kidev ufro Sors midian da amtkiceben,

rom „saxelmwifo zrunvisa

da trefikingis msxverplTa,

dazaralebulTa daxmarebis

saagentos” mxridan 2020 wlis 2

ivniss daigegma Cveulebrivi specoperacia.

amave dros, Sinagan

saqmeTa saministros vake-sabur-

Talos sammarTvelos policiis

meoTxe ganyofilebam gansakuTrebuli

davalebis safuZvelze

moiTxova arasrulwlovnis gamokiTxva.

uaryofil iqna mamis SeTavazeba

alternatiuli Tarjimnisa

da fsiqologis daswrebaze.

es, cota ar iyos, ucnaurad

JRers, _ jer erTi, ras niSnavs

alternatiuli Tarjimani? anu

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piriqiT, _ misi damxreba minda?

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wlis 29 maiss iyo CaniSnuli. sagamoZiebo

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ukan waiyvana. amaze gamomZiebelma

maSinve Seadgina oqmi, romlis

mixedviTac, TiTqosda, mamam ver

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uzrunvelyofa.

bavSvis mamam dacvis mxaresTan

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trefikingis msxverplTa daxmarebis

saagentos”, saxalxo damcvelis

aparatsa da vake-saburTalos

sammarTvelos policiis meoTxe

ganyofilebas, saqmeze pasuxismgebel

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pirvel ivniss vake-saburTalos

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zari, romlis drosac

gamoiTqva survili, rom mozardi

sacxovrebel misamarTze gadaemowmebinaT

satelefono zaridan

erT saaTSi. mamam policias upasuxa,

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da ar icoda, bavSvi iyo Tu ara

saxlSi, vinaidan im dRes bavSvis

dabadebis dRe gaxldaT da Sesa-

Zloa, arasrulwlovani saxlSi ar

deda mamas pornografiaSi

adanaSaulebs, mama ki

dedas _ narkomaniaSi

daxvedrodaT. miuxedavad amisa,

sagamoZiebo uwyebis warmomadgenlebi

mainc mividnen misamarTze

da daafiqsires, rom mozardi misamarTze

ar iyo.

2 ivniss sagamoZiebo uwyebis

warmomadgenlebi isev gamocxaddnen

saxlis misamarTze. bavSvTan

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mxridan wardgenili Tarjimani

da bavSvis bebia. gamomZiebelma,

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gavida da ukan Sebruneba ar undoda.

bebias uTxra, rom uwyebis

warmomadgenlebs surdaT mamasTan

misi daSoreba, rasac Tarjimnis

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moyva, Tumca rogorc bebia,

aseve Tarjimani, uwyebis warmomadgenlebma

oTaxidan daiTxoves.

jer sad xarT! mokled, sanam

mozardis sakuTar saxlSi gamokiTxva

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patrulirebda. gamokiTxvis dasrulebisTanave

sacxovrebel misamarTze

gamocxadda sapatrulo

policiis oTxi ekipaJi da arasrulwlovnis

mamas Semakavebeli

orderi gadasca. „saxelmwifo

zrunvisa da trefikingis msxverplTa

daxmarebis saagentos” mimarTvis

safuZvelze, mamas 30 dRis

ganmavlobaSi aekrZala SvilTan

urTierToba. safuZvlad dasaxelda

Zaladobis forma _ „ugulebelyofa”,

rac gulisxmobs

Tbilisis saapelacio sasamarTloSi

gasaCivrebuli droebiTi

gankargulebis Seusruleblobas.

amis Semdeg policiam bavSvi gadasca

saagentos TanamSromel

nino iobaSvils, romelmac arasruwlovani

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mozardis verbaluri ena Cexuria,

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warudgina fotoebi, sadac mama

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2019 wlis 21 noembers qar-

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Sesaxeb.

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gveyofa). vityviT mxolod, rom am

saqmeSi kiTxvebi arasrulwlovani

dedis mimarTac ismis. aseve dacvis

mxares aqvs dokumenti: Cexe-

Tis respublikis qalaq praRis

kanonier ZalaSi Sesuli 2019 wlis

gadawyvetileba, sadac pirdapir

weria, rom deda gafrinda bavSvis

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kanonis uxeS darRvevaSi daadan-

Saula. kerZod, misi gancxadebiT,

aRniSnuli uwyeba farul garigebaSia

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ganzrax ar aZlevs uflebas SviliSvilTan

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sasamarTlom 2020 wlis 8 ivnisis

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warmomadgenels, ruseTis

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Zala. olivia antonis aseT qmedebebs

amarTlebs saagentos q.

Tbilisis vake-saburTalos raionuli

centris ufrosis movaleobis

Semsrulebeli nino iobaSvili

da Tbilisis socialuri

momsaxurebis saqalaqo centris

ufrosi giorgi epitaSvili.

dacvis mxare acxadebs, rom mama

bavSvs dabadebidan zrdis da

Svils mamis mimarT mijaWvuloba

aqvs, xolo deda _ olivia antoni,

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sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebiT,

warmoadgens narkotikebis momxmarebelsa

da ar gaaCnia Svilis

aRzrdis unar-Cvevebi. aRniSnulze

danaSaulebrivad duman socialuri

samsaxuris dasaxelebuli

pirebi, rac ormagi standartia.

zemoT moyvanili davis saxiT qar-

Tuli sasamarTlo meSvide davas

ganixilavs. gaZleba misceT!

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7 wlidan scenaze dgas, xe-

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mis cxovrebas Tan sdevda bevri

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_ nino suxiSvilma mas meore

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aRar daabruna.

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_ uTxra „qronika+~-s dRevandel-

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rezo WaniSvilis moadgile, ansamblebi

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moRvaweobs da mec mis kvals

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arian, yvelas gviyvars

xelovneba.

_ e. i. ojaxur tradicias

gahyeviT?

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ki bavSvobidan mqonda. vwerdi

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_ ra Tqma unda. wyaltuboSi

ansamblSi vcekvavdi, iliko suxiSvilis

saxelobis studiaSi. iq bi-

ZaCemi aswavlida, Tumca, mogvianebiT,

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vdiT?

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Sens rigs. iq Zalian bevri unda imuSao.

_ Tqven mogiwiaT e. w. rigi?

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CavatareT.

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dainaxavs, rom nebismieri mocekvave

Sromobs, Zalian uxaria. ninoa

cota rTuli.

_ ra gansxvavebaa ninosa da

ilikos Soris?

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orive momTxovnia, Tumca nino

radikalurad gansxvavebulia ilikosgan.

_ ramdeni weli cekvavdiT

„suxiSvilebSi”?

_ daaxloebiT, ori weli.

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monawileoba gaqvT miRebuli

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Sesaxeb, ramac Tqveni scenidan da

ansamblidan wamosvla ganapiroba.

_ filarmoniis did sakoncerto

darbazSi, „suxiSvilebis” 60 wlis

iubilesTan dakavSirebiT, 10 koncerti

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Tengiz suxiSvili gaxarebuli amovida

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farikaobis dros, didi gaxurebuli

natexi motyda xmals da

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da mTliani Tvali amowva. iq panikasa

da gulis wasvlebs xom ver

daviwyebdi, maqsimalurad gavuZeli

da kulisebamde mivedi.

_ aseT mdgomareobaSi gaagrZe-

leT cekva?

_ ra Tqma unda. scenaze Tu ar

mokvdi, unda gaagrZelo cekva.

xel-fexic rom moWrili gqondes,

scenidan ar unda gaxvide.

_ es profesionalizmze metyvelebs,

magram Tqven rom drou-

lad gasuliyaviT scenidan da

daxmareba aRmoeCinaT TqvenTvis,

Tvals mainc dakargavdiT?

_ im gaxurebulma natexma Tvali

rom amowva, gind im wams

gasuliyavi da gind _ mere, mniSvneloba

ar hqonda. siTxe daiRvara

da Tvali amoiwva.

_ ra SegrZneba gqondaT mag

dros, gaaanalizeT momxdari?

_ roca Tvali davkarge mivxvdi,

magram imedi mqonda, mainc aRmidgeboda

mxedveloba. imaze ufro

meti aqcenti mqonda gadatanili,

rom cekva damesrulebina da normalurad

gavsuliyavi scenidan.

mayureblis nawilma Sematyo, Tumca

bevri ver mixvda, ra SememTxva.

_ gaxvediT kulisebSi da Sem-

deg ra xdeba?

_ koncertis CaSla gamoricxuli

iyo, Cemi partiebis Sesruleba

sxvebs mouwiaT da Zalian rTulia

ase uceb dalagebuli programa,

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laSa toraZe:

`farikaobis dros

xmals gaxurebuli

natexi motyda da Tvali

mTlianad amomewva~

aSalo-daSalo-gadaawyo wamebSi,

magram es xom „suxiSvilebia”! _ ilikom

yvelaferi moaswro da cekvebi

bolomde miiyvanes. saswrafod

wamiyvanes da Tvalis operacia

gamikeTes. ramdenime Tve viweqi saavadmyofoSi,

Zalian rTul forma-

Si mqonda Tvali da 8 operacia

damWirda. mesame operaciis Semdeg

raRac landebi davinaxe, Tumca

mere ukve veRar. guli mwydeba, rom

ansambls unda gadavefrine

sazRvargareT da iq

gaekeTebinaT Tvalis

operacia.

_ ansamblma yuradReba

ar mogaqci-

aT?

_ rogor ar momaqcia

_ iliko da

biWebi mTeli Rame

saavadmyofo-

Si iyvnen, mogvianebiT,

batoni

Tengizi

movida. ori

operaciis Tanxa

ansamblma

gadamixada, radgan sawarmo travma

miviRe, mesame operaciaze ki

mocekvaveebma amikribes Tanxa da

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mogviwia operacia da mkurnalobis

Catareba. seriozulad

rom miexedaT am Tvalze, didi albaTobiT,

davinaxavdi.

_ laSa, ra gancda dageufla

mas Semdeg, rac gaaanalize, rom

cali Tvalidan veRar dainaxavdi

da, Sesabamisad, im ansamblidan

wamosvla mogiwevda, sadac moxve-

dra yvela mocekvavis ocnebaa.

depresiam xom ar Segipyro?

_ msurda, Tumca aRar gamagr-

Zelebines. roca ansamblSi davbrundi,

sxvebisTvis mindoda, magaliTi

mimeca _ xelovneba msxverpls

moiTxovs, ufro meti SemarTebiT

ginda, rom daiwyo da gaakeTo

Seni sayvareli saqme, daumtkico

mayurebels, rom scenaze meored

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swored amitom mwydeba guli,

radgan cekvis gagrZelebis saSualeba

ilikom momca da ninom _ ara.

ori dRe iqiT gaxedvac ar mindoda.

mag TvaliT ver gacekvebo, rom

getyvis adamiani, es CemTvis didi

dartymaa. vfiqrob, rogorc ansamblis

xelmZRvanelsa da organizator

nino suxiSvils sxva formiT

unda eTqva CemTvis, rom me ansamblSi

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_ marTalia, cekva „suxiSvileb-

Si” ver gaagrZeleT, magram Tqven

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ansamblis qoreografi.

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SemarTebiT mivxede Cems sayvarel

saqmes da dResdReobiT myavs xuTi

ansambli, sxvadasxva asakobrivi

jgufiT. ar vtrabaxob, magram amdeni

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maxarebs.

_ ra hqvia Tqvens ansamblebs?

_ „promeTe”, „Taoba”, „laSqari”,

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_ ar giWirT amdeni ansamblis

xelmZRvaneloba?

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rom yvelafers kargad vumklavdebi.

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rTulad aisaxa Tqvenze? sakmaod

mZimed imoqmedebda finansuri

TvalsazrisiT.

_ zogadad, yvelaze cudad aisaxa,

magram gansakuTrebiT davzaraldiT

xelovani xalxi _ mocekvaveebi,

qoreografebi, studiebi, mom-

Rerlebi da a. S. es biznesi araa,

rom fuli iTvalo da mogebaze imuSao,

es xelovnebaa da Semosavalic

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da, zogadad, kulturis sferosTvis

ar scalia. xelovneba ase

misagdebi saqme araa, radgan swored

xelovnebaa is, riTac vamayobT

msoflios masStabiT da es sfero

aucileblad yuradReba misaqcevia.

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vladimer stefaniam iTamaSa, romelic „sietlma” 1998

wels aiyvana. imasac SegaxsenebT, rom erTmaneTis miyolebiT

NBA-is draftze qarTveli 2004 wlis Semdeg

ar aurCeviaT. 2002 wels „denverma” nika cqitiSvili

aiyvana, 2003 wels „orlandom” zaza faCulia,

2004 wels „atlantam” viqtor sanikiZe da imave saRamos

„san antonios” dauTmo, Tumca vikas NBA-Si ar

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_ es winadadeba inglisuri

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TiTqmis Cempioni „liverpuli”

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Sexvedraze moigebs, 2 ivliss,

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saTamaSod rom Cava, jer kidev ar

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iyo: burTs metwilad

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TamaSis yvelaze mwvave momenti

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Tasze, mas „liverpulis”

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zeimi gadauvades da cotaTi

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goli ver gaitana.

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imden xans iTamaSes zRapruli

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eWvqveS dayeneba ar Sei-

Zleba. warmoidgineT, es iyo mxolod

mesame Sexvedra, maT rom

ver moiges. ase rom, kiTxva dgas

Semdegi: rodis? da ara ase: gaxdeba,

ki? SegaxsenebTT, rom „liverpuli”

30 welia, inglisis Cempioni

ar yofila.

mersisaidur derbiSi gaCnda

eWvi, rom „liverpuli”, romelic

Cveulebriv zeadamianuri intensivobis

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energias ver iRebs. iurgen

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Tar Tavs bolomde isic ki ar

hgavdao, _ werda erTi inglisuri

gamocema.

germanelis gankargulebaSi ar

iyo travmirebuli endi robertsoni,

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mo salahma TamaSs saTadarigoTa

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pirveli premierliguri starti

aCuqa _ rogoria, did fexburTSi

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Tan „liverpulis” aseTi aRzevebis

weliwads rom Caatareb?!

Sexvedris detalurad aRweras,

cxadia, ar SevudgebiT. ubralod

vityviT, rom koronavirusTan

dakavSirebuli regulaciebis

gamo stumrebs tansacmlis

gamocvla „gudison parkis” parkingze

agebul droebiT jixureb-

Si mouxdaT da moedanzec raRac

ucnauri mxridan Sevidnen.

SeeZloT, „enfildzec” gamoecvalaT,

qalaq liverpulis ori

moqiSpe gundis stadionebs Soris

xom sul kilometr-naxevaria.

manCesterSi koronacia

aRar iqneba

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