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you know she's going to get sort of<br />

sympathetically thought about you know,<br />

but I was really I was concerned, I nearly<br />

wrote to her you know, I'm very conscious<br />

with the tape recorder she said how<br />

difficult she found it, you know that it<br />

silenced her, she tends to be silent in the<br />

discussions.<br />

Judi<br />

I don't agree that the tape recorder silenced<br />

her I think that's again sort of an<br />

enactment.<br />

Bill<br />

Well, it's like, it's my penis, isn't it, I'm<br />

waving that around.<br />

Judi<br />

Possibly yes that's right, absolutely.<br />

Bill<br />

Sticking it in everywhere I possibly can.<br />

Judi She would probably yes. But also<br />

she's, I mean with a man if you want to<br />

look at it that way she would find<br />

something to complain about. You know<br />

you'd be dominating or persecuting her in<br />

some way.<br />

Bill<br />

Yeah if I didn't have a tape recorder it<br />

would be because I wasn't tape recording<br />

and therefore didn't care about what<br />

happened.<br />

Judi<br />

Yeah, yeah so it's just an excuse. You<br />

haven't bought the china cups they're white<br />

cups. Yeah she's somehow cathected to<br />

me, which is again a defensive sort of<br />

arrangement.<br />

Bill<br />

But it's good that she's kind of connected<br />

to someone.<br />

Judi<br />

At least she's done that, at least she's done<br />

that, yes. Yes oh well. The other thing is<br />

Chapter Eight – A Consulting Break - Page 248<br />

criticism or supervisory remarks when<br />

working with the students and their<br />

clinical material can make it hard to be<br />

more direct in this current setting of the<br />

break. I wonder if this concern with Heidi<br />

is a delayed attempt to think about the<br />

previous week (i.e. Session 8, discussed in<br />

Chapter Five). On reading the transcript of<br />

Session 8, it looks fairly innocuous,<br />

whereas perhaps it had a primitive quality<br />

that we have yet to understand. I wonder if<br />

it did represent a communication on behalf<br />

of the group.<br />

I certainly seem to be waving it around<br />

here. (Here, I am not seeking to be<br />

exhibitionistic, but rather to capture a nonrational<br />

experience. I am thinking<br />

symbolically, so the tape recorder may be<br />

experienced at an unconscious level as a<br />

symbol of my power, which I have<br />

inserted into the experience of the<br />

semester. Also, I wonder if I am<br />

unconsciously alluding to my experience<br />

in this current interaction, where I may<br />

(and with hindsight, do) feel that I am<br />

being experienced and construed as<br />

dominating).<br />

Interesting. Is this move to the conflicted

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