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Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence and human

instinct in Montecatini

Karl Ernst Georges: Ausführliches lateinisch-deutsches

Handwörterbuch.Hannover: Hahnsche Buchhandlun

1913/18) (Reprint Darmstadt [wbg] 1998)

http://images.zeno.org/Georges-

1913/K/big/Georges-1913-02-2052.png


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence and human

instinct in Montecatini


Karl Ernst Georges: Ausführliches lateinisch-deutsches

Handwörterbuch.Hannover: Hahnsche Buchhandlun

1913/18) (Reprint Darmstadt [wbg] 1998)

http://images.zeno.org/Georges-

1913/K/big/Georges-1913-02-2052.png


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence and human

instinct in Montecatini


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence and human

instinct in Montecatini


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence and human

instinct in Montecatini


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence and human

instinct in Montecatini

http://www.phil-hum-ren.unimuenchen.de/SekLit/hck20091217.pdf

(PDF version of slides used for a talk given at

"Bibliotheksnacht in der Bibliothek Theologie-Philosophie

2009-12-17", German, 17.1 MB)


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence and human

instinct in Montecatini

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Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

f. 2r


A form lacking all cognition

(consider it o.k. to use

philosophical language when

dealing with philosophical

subjects) - or in possession

of an extremely small

shadow of the First

Cognoscens - to strive with

admirable power that it isn't

ejected from what is good for

it: this is indeed something

worth of admiration, but

not more than that - let me

put it like this - prudence

which is often observed in

plants when they hate and

avoid which is harmful to

them, whereas they

embrace and love what is

useful for them.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

f. 2r

Who taught vines to turn

into the opposite direction

whenever ever it senses a

cabbage near it, whereby it

entwines all its twigs and

tendrils and as if fleeing a

storm or an enemy

contracts its branches into

a single small place


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

f. 2r

And who, on the other

side, who imparted the

sense due to which a

elm which is

connected to its husband

grows more beautiful and

also gives better fruits

What to say about the hate

between a walnut tree and

an oak tree and about the

love between garlic and

lily


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

f. 2r

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage

oak trees and walnut trees

hate each other


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage

oak trees and walnut trees

hate each other

female elms love male

elms

garlic and lily love each

other


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage,

oak trees and walnut trees hate each

other


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage,

oak trees and walnut trees hate each

other

Pliny hist.nat. XXIV c.1 § 1:

Ne silvae quidem horridiorque naturae facies

medicinis carent, sacra illa parente rerum

omnium nusquam non remedia disponente

homini, ut medicina fieret etiam solitudo ipsa,

et ad singula illius discordia atque

concordiae miraculis occursantibus.

quercus et olea tam pertinaci odio

dissident, ut altera in alterius scrobe

depacta emoriantur, quercus vero et

iuxta nucem iuglandem. pernicialia

et brassicae cum vite odia; ipsum

olus, quo vitis fugatur, adversum

cyclamino et origano arescit.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage,

oak trees and walnut trees hate each

other

Pliny hist.nat. XXIV c.1 § 1:

quercus vero et iuxta nucem

iuglandem. pernicialia et brassicae cum

vite odia

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/L/Rom

an/Texts/Pliny_the_Elder/24*.html


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage,

Pliny hist.nat. XXIV c.1 § 1:

quercus vero et iuxta nucem

iuglandem. pernicialia et brassicae cum

vite odia

Girolamo Fracastoro: De Sympathia

& Antipathia rerum ..., Lugduni 1550 ,

p. 109


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage,

oak trees and walnut trees hate each

other

Giambattista Dalla Porta: Magia Naturalis I

(1558) (transcr. Laura Balbiani)

http://homepages.tscnet.com/omard1/jportab1.html

Pernicialia sunt brassicæ, & vitis odia, ac

spectanda earum dimicatio: vitis enim cum

intortis clauiculis omnia complecti soleat,

solam refugit brassicam: nam propè

sentiens, in aduersam partem se torquet, vt

si quis eam admoneret hostem esse in

propinquo, dumque coquitur brassica, vinum

vel si paucissimum instilles, nec coquitur, nec

ipsius color constat.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium Corrolarii:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage,

Pliny hist.nat. XXIV c.1 § 1:

quercus vero et iuxta nucem

iuglandem. pernicialia et brassicae cum

vite odia

Girolamo Fracastoro: De Sympathia

& Antipathia rerum ..., Lugduni 1550 ,

p. 109


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium Corrolarii:

Antipathy and love between plants.

Some plants X hate some plants Y,

and some plants A love some plants B

Girolamo Fracastoro: De Sympathia

& Antipathia rerum ..., Lugduni 1550 ,

p. 109


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium Corrolarii:

Antipathy and love between plants.

Francis Bacon: Sylva Sylvarum, exp. 479 (before 1627 [ed. 1859])

Some plants X hate some plants Y,

and some plants A love some plants B

Girolamo Fracastoro: De Sympathia

& Antipathia rerum ..., Lugduni 1550 ,

p. 109


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium Corrolarii:

Antipathy and love between plants.

Francis Bacon: Sylva Sylvarum, exp. 479 (before 1627 [ed. 1859])

Some plants X hate some plants Y,

and some plants A love some plants B


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium Corrolarii:

Antipathy and love between plants.

some plants A love some plants B

garlic loving lilies:


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium Corrolarii:

Antipathy and love between plants.

some plants A love some plants B

garlic loving lilies: √


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium Corrolarii:

Antipathy and love between plants.

some plants A love some plants B

garlic loving lilies: √

♀ elms loving ♂ elms:


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium Corrolarii:

Antipathy and love between plants.

♀ elms loving ♂ elms:

some plants A love some plants B


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium Corrolarii:

Antipathy and love between plants.

♀ elms loving ♂ elms:

some plants A love some plants B

Montecatini's solution:

Vegetable prudence


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage

oak trees and walnut trees hate

each other

← Dalla Porta, Fracastoro Pliny

female elms love male elms

garlic and lily love each other


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage

oak trees and walnut trees hate

each other

← Dalla Porta, Fracastoro Pliny

female elms love male elms

garlic and lily love each other

No sources

found for this


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

vines hate cabbage

oak trees and walnut trees hate

each other

← Dalla Porta, Fracastoro Pliny

No sources found for

this either ☹

female elms love male elms

garlic and lily love each other

No sources

found for this


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

f. 2r

No sources found for

this either, but ...

female elms love male elms

garlic and lily love each other

No sources found for

this ☹


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Vegetable prudence

Corrolarium:

Antipathy and love between plants, and

Montecatini's potential sources.

Columella: De re rustica V c. 6 § 17: " At si teneram ulmum

maritaveris, onus iam non sufferet; si vetustae vitem applicueris, coniugem

necabit." (Marrying elms, but: Not about marrying elm to elm)

http://la.wi

kisource.org

/wiki/De_Re_

Rustica/Libe

r_V

No sources found for

this either, but ...

Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa

de Nettesheim: De occulta

Philosophia I.17 (

1533) , p. 22

http://diglib.hab.de/wdb.phpdir=d

rucke/77-1-quod-2f-2

female elms love male elms

Male and female palm trees like each other, and almonds

produce better if not solitary.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Beyond vegetable

prudence


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Beyond vegetable

prudence

f. 2rs Not only in plants, but

also in minerals,

metals, stones, waters

and winds you get

antipathies and

sympathies: natural

affectus of friendship

and enmity.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

And beyond


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

And beyond: Animals

f. 2v

Animals strive to

preserve their

bonum, that which is

good for them, i.e.

sensual perception


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

And beyond: Animals

f. 2v

Animals strive to

preserve their

bonum, that which is

good form them, i.e.

sensual perception,

and they do this by

well known amazing

actions


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

And beyond: Animals

f. 2v

Animals strive to

preserve their

bonum, that which is

good form them, i.e.

sensual perception,

and they do this by

well known amazing

actions,

as i.a. in the case of

lambs who are afraid

of wolves, even in

case they have never

before seen one.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Context

The reason for all this is:

f. 3r

The communis boni

essentia (that which

everything is about) is

the preservation of

the world.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Context

The reason for all this is:

f. 3r

The communis boni

essentia (that which

everything is about) is

the preservation of

the world.

The world is animated,

and in all appetition

there is something

divine.

And this amor, this

natural love, is Dei

particeps, participates

in god.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

And now: Humans

f. 3r


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Humans

f. 3r

Many important people agree that everything was made by God and nature

because of man.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Humans

f. 3r

Many important people agree that everything was made by God and

nature because of man.

Sounds good. ☺


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Humans

f. 3r

Many important people agree that everything was made by God and

nature because of man.

Sounds good. ☺

Sounds very good ☺


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Humans

f. 3r

But:

Whosoever says

that man doesn't

have a proper

final cause, a

goal: whosoever

says this is

terribly mistaken.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Humans

f. 3r

f. 3v

The human bonum

is that by which

human nature is

perfected and

conserved.

As men are only men

because of their

intellect: the human

bonum is that action

by which the human

intellect acquires its

special excellence.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Humans

I skipped some

longish doxography ...

f. 4v

The

contemplation

and cognition

of God, the

conjunction

with God.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Humans

f. 4v

3 steps:

1) all appetition

and all action

according to

reason.

2) contemplation of

God

3) love and visit

God


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

f. 7r

human instinct

f. 6v

Once again I skipped some

longish doxography, which

shows that all relevant

authors agree on this ...

This is

behaviour

according to

instinct,

instinct of the

mind/intellect,

a specifically

human

instinct.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

The rest of Montecatini's text, the last ca. 22%

of the whole, is dedicated to Ethics, and the

question how to teach Aristotle's Nicomachean

Ethics.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

The rest of Montecatini's text, the last ca. 22%

of the whole, is dedicated to Ethics, and the

question how to teach Aristotle's Nicomachean

Ethics.

Certainly a valid topic for a text like Montecatini's,

which is, after all, an introductory lecture to his lecture

course on ethics - Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics!


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

The rest of Montecatini's text, the last ca. 22%

of the whole, is dedicated to Ethics, and the

question how to teach Aristotle's Nicomachean

Ethics.

Certainly a valid topic for a text like Montecatini's,

which is, after all, an introductory lecture to his lecture

course on ethics - Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics -,

but not the topic of my talk here today!


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

The whole world shares a common goal: its

preservation, and it participates in god.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

The whole world shares a common goal: its

preservation, and it participates in god.

Plants act wisely because of vegetable prudence.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

The whole world shares a common goal: its

preservation, and it participates in god.

Plants act wisely because of vegetable prudence.

Animals act wisely because of inborn knowledge,

because of instinct.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

The whole world shares a common goal: its

preservation, and participates with god.

Plants act wisely because of vegetable prudence.

Animals act wisely because of inborn knowledge,

because of instinct.

Humans achieve their proper goal, that what is

good for them (the cognition of and conjunction

with god) because of human instinct.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

According to Montecatini - at least the way I read him -

it is not plants and animals who are similar to humans (as e.g. in the

case of Plutarchus's

(ed. 1534, f. iiiv)),


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

According to Montecatini - at least the way I read him -

it is not plants and humans who are similar to humans (as e.g. in the

case of Plutarchus's

(ed. 1534, f. iiiv)),

but it is humans who are similar to animals and plants

in their acting according to inborn desire/instinct.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Considering animals as essentially similar to humans can lead to

vegetarianism (cf. e.g. Plutarchus De sollertia animalium, Porphyry

De abstinentia ab esu animalium).

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hck1

I DID mention at (more or less) this point of that presentation that as far as I can see vegetarianism and/or our

(non-)justification to eat or drink products based on animals (or plants) killed for their production was not one of

MONTECATINI's topics and/or concerns in his 1560/61 "Praelectio in libros de moribus".

Heinrich C. Kuhn; 05.07.2010


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Considering animals as essentially similar to humans can lead

to vegetarianism (cf. e.g. Plutarchus De sollertia animalium,

Porphyry De abstinentia ab esu animalium).

Extending that to plants might also

cost us the justification to eat

vegetables and drink plant based

beverages.

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Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

However, as according to Montecatini - at least the way I read him - it is not

plants and animals who are similar to humans (e.g. Plutarchus's

(ed. 1534, f. iiiv)), but it is humans who are similar to animals

and plants in their acting according to

inborn desire/instinct:

we face no danger to have to die from

hunger

or

thirst.

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Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Montecatini saves our being justified to eat and drink food and

beverages made at the expense of animals and plants.

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Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Yes, Montecatini saves our being justified to eat and drink food and

beverages made at the expense of animals and plants.

But:


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

In Montecatini's world

there is no place

for human autonomy or freedom.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

But:


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

But:

We who are present here are at least free to discuss on the content of my

presentation,


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

But:

We who are present here are at least free to discuss on the content of my

presentation, now right here


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

But:

We who are present here are at least free to discuss on the content of my

presentation, now right here,

and a bit later, in the break, also participating in some plant based beverage.


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini

Thanks in

advance for

your

response!


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini


Heinrich C. Kuhn: Vegetable prudence and human instinct in Montecatini


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