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NeutralIndicating SwitchErnie Franke(12/2010eafranke@tampabaytampabay.rr.com)

Neutral Indicating Switch•Contact Switch on Gear-Box•Indicates Transmission in Neutral•Lamp Indicator on Motorcycle Dash•Study Shows–Switch and Indicator Locations–Schematics–Par Numbers–Trouble-Shooting and Adjustment• Two Types of Neutral Sensors–MT804517A•Early Sensor•Senses Grounding Spring on Gearshift Cam Rim•Used on K-650, MT-9, MT-10, MT-11, MT-16–IMZ-8.103-04055 Contact Assembly•Later Sensor•Senses Grounding Button on Gearshift Cam Side•Used on 8.103I - лампа указателя нейтрали; 2 - провод, 3 – изолирующий КолпачокI - neutral indicator light, 2 - wire, 3 – Isolation cap

IMZ (ИМЗ(ИМЗ) - Ural (Урал(Урал) ) and KMZ (KMЗ) - Dnepr (Днепр)(Neutral-Gear SensorsMfgrModelYearEngine Size( cm 3 / inch 3 )Neutral-Gear SensorVoltageSignalLampM-721941-56746 / 45.3 SV-6-Volt-M-72K1954-60746 / 45.3 SV-6-Volt-M-72M1956-60746 / 45.3 SV-6-Volt-M-611958-60649 / 39.4 OHV-6-Volt-M-621960-65649 / 39.4 OHV-6-Volt-UralM-63 (Ural-2)M-66 (Ural-3)1965-681968-72649 / 39.4 OHV649 / 39.4 OHV--6-Volt6-Volt--M-671973-75649 / 39.4 OHV-12-Volt-M-67.361976-95649 / 39.4 OHVMT804517A12-VoltA12-18.103, 8.107 Series “650”1994-2002649 / 39.4 OHVIMZ-8.103-0405512-VoltA12-18.103 “750”Series2003-present745 / 45.2 OHVIMZ-8.103-0405512-VoltA12-1M-721952-56746 / 45.3 SV-6-Volt-M-72H1956-59746 / 45.3 SV-6-Volt-K-7501959-63746 / 45.3 SVMT804517A6-VoltA6-1K-750M1963-77746 / 45.3 SVMT804517A6-VoltA6-1MB-7501964-73746 / 45.3 SVMT804517A6-VoltA6-1K-650/MT-81967-70649 / 39.4 OHV-6-Volt-MB-6501968-91649 / 39.4 OHVMT804517A12-VoltA12-1K-650/MT-91971-74649 / 39.4 OHVMT804517A (after adding PM-05)6-VoltA6-1DneprMB-750M1973-77746 / 45.9 SVMT804517A6-VoltA6-1MT-101973-76649 / 39.4 OHVMT804517A12-VoltA12-1MB-650M1974649 / 39.4 OHVMT804517A12-VoltA12-1MT-10.361976-87649 / 39.4 OHVMT804517A12-VoltA12-1MT-121977-85746 / 45.3 SVMT804517A6-VoltA6-1MB-650-M11985-2007649 / 39.4 OHV12-VoltMT-16 (Dnepr-16)1985-2005649 / 39.4 OHVMT804517A12-VoltA12-1MT-11(Dnepr-11)1987-2005649 / 39.4 OHVMT804517A12-VoltA12-1

MT804517A for Dnepr K-650, MT-9, MT-10, MT-11, MT-16(www.henriksson.www.henriksson.ee)Contact: to GroundTerminal: to Indicator Light

MT-9 9 and MT-10 Repair Manual8. Metal Spring for Grounding Contact to SensorRubber Boot4. Gearshift Plate with Grooved Cams Gearbox Casing MT804517A SensorThe MT804517A neutral gear indicator switchsenses grounding spring on gearshift cam rim.

Dnepr (MT-11, MT-16) Neutral Sender Contact Location(MT804517A)The MT804517A neutral gear indicator switchis mounted on the lower part of the gearbox.

Neutral Sensor (Ural Manual)Metal Spring for Grounding Contact to Sensor10 - пружина датчика нейтрали;spring probe neutral15. контакта датчика нейтраль:contact sensor neutralGearbox

Gearbox for Dnepr MT-11, MT-12, MT-16, MT-10.36, MB-650Neutral SensorReverse Lever

Gearbox for Dnepr MT-11, MT-12, MT-16, MT-10.36, MB-650

MT-12 and MT-16 Maintenance Manuals5. Контакт ДатчикаНейтралъного Положения (contact neutral position sensor)

Dnepr (Днепр)) Early K-650brnblkyelTurn vioSignalviogrnblkDistributor/Breaker (PM-05)blkblkGenerator (Г-414)Ignition Coil(B2B)blkgryHornblkblkvioblkgryFootBrake-LightSwitchwhtFlasherbluredyelbluwhtBatteryRegulator(PP-31A)whtgrnblkbluwhtgry“Green” Neutral IndicatorSome K-650 Kschematics don’t t show the neutral indicator switch.

Dnepr (Днепр)) Later K-650 with PP-302 Regulator,PM-302 Breaker and B201 Ignition CoilFlasherNeutral Sensorand IndicatorVoltage Regulator(PP-330)FootBrake-LightSwitchBattery(3MT-12)Generator(Г-414)Ignition Coil(B201)TurnSignalHornButtonBreaker(PM-302/PM-302A)

Neutral Indicator “Green”Dnepr (Днепр) MT-930. пробка контакта (contact sensor neutral)The schematic for the MT-9 9 shows the familiar positionof the neutral gear indicator on the headlight panel.

Dnepr (Днепр) MT-10Oil-PressureSensorTurnSignalBreaker(PM-302/PM-302A)HornIgnition Coil(B204)Alternator(Г-424)FootBrake-LightSwitchFlasherBattery30. Neutral Gear Switch32. Neutral IndicatorHornButtonNeutral Indicator “Green”Voltage Regulator(PP-31A)

Dnepr (Днепр) MT-10 and MT-10.36(www.shematicshematic.net/images/pages/MOTO/MT10..net/images/pages/MOTO/MT10.jpg)Right TurnFlasherRight TurnSpeedometerTurnSignalFuseBlockVoltage Regulator(PP-330)FootBrake-LightSwitchBrakeLightCentralSwitch18. Neutral Sensorand IndicatorAlternatorBattery(2X 3MT-6)HornLeft TurnLeft TurnSpark-plugsThe schematic for the MT-10 shows the familiar positionof the neutral gear indicator on the headlight panel.of the neutral gear indicator Breaker on the headlight Ignition Coil panel.

Dnepr (Днепр) MT-11,MT-14and MT-16Regulator(33.3702)Older Models:PP-330Neutral Switchand IndicatorBrakeHornFlasherIgnitionCoil(B204)Alternator(Г-424)BatteryTurnSignalHornButtonBreaker points

Dnepr (Днепр(Днепр) MB-650, MT-11 and MT-16Neutral Indicator “Green”Neutral Gear SensorIgnitionSwitchFlasherHornBattery

Dnepr (Днепр) MB-650M22. пробка контакта (contact sensor neutral)41. Лампа (Lamp A12-1)Neutral Indicator “Green”

MT-116. пробка контакта (neutral contact)12. контакта датчика нейтраль (contact sensor neutral PD20Д)Neutral Indicator “Green”

Dnepr (Днепр(Днепр) MT-123. пробка контакта 3. plug contact or cork contact (пробки(контакт)15. Фонарь Контрольной Лампы ЛД2020Г (Lantern Light Control PD20G)

Ground Contact for Neutral Sensor Switch(Unofficial Ural 750cc Service Manual by Bill Glazer)Grounding Button on Side of Gearshift Cam PlateThe IMZ-8.103-04055 neutral gear indicator switchsenses grounding button on gearshift cam side.

Neutral Switch on the Front Half of Gear Box Case(Unofficial Ural 750cc Service Manual by Bill Glazer)IMZ-8.103-04055 Contact AssemblyThe IMZ-8.103-04055 neutral gear indicator switchsenses grounding button on gearshift cam side.

Ural 8.103 (650 and 750 cm 3 )11 250510-P29 Nut M812 IMZ-8.103-04055 Contact Assembly13 IMZ-8.103-04362 Contact sleeve

Ural 2010 Parts List47. IMZ-8.103-04055-10 Contact Assembly48. IMZ-8.103-04362 Contact Bush49. 250510-P27C Nut M 8-6H

Neutral Sensor Switch Location2007 Ural Gear-UpUnofficial Ural 750cc Service Manualby Bill Glazer

2003 Patrol Neutral SensorReverse Lever

Neutral Indicator Light Trouble-Shooting(2000 Ural repair manual)•Make Sure Bike is in Neutral•Did Green Neutral Indicator Light Illuminate?–Use Short Piece of Wire to Ground the Contact of Neutral Switch toBike Frame•Did Neutral Light Illuminate when Contact Was Grounded?–No - Check Fuses, Indicator Bulb and Its Wiring. Also Check Wire thatConnects Indicator Lamp to Neutral Switch, Looking for Break in Wire.Check that Connection of Wire to Neutral Switch Is Clean and Tight. DONOT OVERTIGHTEN THE NUT on Switch Contact or You Will Misadjustthe Neutral Switch!–Yes - Use Instructions in Repair Manual (later slide) to Adjust NeutralSwitch. (see photo below)•Shift Transmission into 1st Gear. Did Green Neutral Light Extinguish?–No - Check Wire that Connects Transmission Switch to Indicator Light,Looking for Bare Wire Showing. Adjust Neutral Switch If Required.–Yes - Normal Operation of Neutral switch. No Problem Indicated.

Neutral Switch Adjustment(2000 Ural repair manual)•Following Shift Stroke Adjustment, Check Operation of Neutral Switch– Adjusting Shift Stroke Tends to Disturb Neutral Switch Adjustment. IfNeutral Light Does Not Illuminate with Gearbox in Neutral, the SensorSwitch Can Be Adjusted as Follows (engine off).1. Shift Gearbox to Neutral2. Slacken Wire Terminal Fastening Nut and Pick-Up Screw Locking-Nut3. Switch On Ignition4. Turn Pick-Up Screw In or Out, until Green Neutral Light on Dashboardilluminates5. Check that Neutral Light Goes Out as Gearbox Is Shifted to 1st andilluminates when Shifted Back to Neutral. Do Not Screw in AdjustingScrew Any Farther than Needed. If It Is Screwed-In Too Far, It CanPrevent Gearbox from Shifting Properly.6. Lock Screw with Nut and Secure Pick-Up Wire Terminal

Adjustment of Neutral Sensor(Bill Glaser’s s 2002 Ural Patrol in "Unofficial Ural Service Manual“ at www.myuralmyural.com)• Adjustment of Sensor for Neutral lamp– Loosen Outer Lock-Nut while Holding Screw Steady withScrewdriver– Back Screw Out 1/2 turn or Slightly More– Turn Ignition "ON“– Put Gearbox in Neutral and Slowly (very slowly) Turn Screw in (CW)until Lamp illuminates– Slowly Depress Shift Pedal to See if Green Lamp Flickers...youshould continue adjust the screw until the lamp does not flicker orgo out until you are starting to feel pressure (or slightly before) onthe shift pedal BEFORE going into 1st gear.– When Happy, Tighten Lock-Nut whilst Holding Screw Steady. DoesNot Need to Be Gorilla-Tight, Just Snug. BE CAREFUL AS IF YOUSCREW THE ADJUSTMENT SCREW IN TOO FAR IT WILL NOTALLOW YOU TO SHIFT THE GEARBOX AND CAN SHEAR THEADJUSTMENT SCREW OFF. You Have Been Warned. It Isn’t AsScary as It Sounds.

Neutral Indicator “Green”Regulator(PP-330)(Later Up-graded with33.3702 Solid-StateRegulator)(Г-424)HornButton

Ural (Урал(Урал) 1998 Deco Classic, Italia,Tourist, Sportsman, Solo, Utility(IMZ 8.103-10 or -40 (Deco or Tourist)Turn SignalSidecar Front LightNeutral Indicator “Green”FlasherTurn IndicatorHand-BrakeSignal SwitchDay/Night Switch& Kill SwitchNeutral SwitchTurn SignalSidecar Rear Light(Later Up-graded with33.3702 Solid-StateRegulator)Regulator(PP-330)Neutral IndicatorFoot-BrakeSignal SwitchHi-BeamSpark PlugSpeedometerLightsFuse BlockSpeedometerHornIgnition CoilMaster BatterySwitchBrakeLightAlternator(Г-424)BatteryCharging IndicatorIgnition lockIgnitionSwitchHi-Beam IndicatorSpark PlugLeft Turn LightTurnSignalInterruptor

Ural 8.1031. Left indicator lamp2. Right direction indicator3. Lamp indicators A12-21-36. Regulator7. Neutral Gear Sensor Switch8. Switch "day-night" with the ignition safety switch9. Switch signal inhibition handbrake10. Relay turns11. Lamp control indicators A12-112. Blinker13. Neutral Gear Indicator14. Lamp driving-beam headlights15. Speedometer16. Lamp illuminated17. Fuse Block18. Horn8.103-10 (40), 19.8.123-10Ignition coil10Hi/Lo BeamSwitch20. Switch signal braking foot brake21. Rear22. Lamp braking signal A12-21-323. Lamp marker light and license plate illumination A12-524. Rechargeable Battery25. Switch mass26. Generator G-42427. Lamp control of the generator A12-1Foot-BrakeSignal Switch28. Lamp marker and parking light in the headlamp A12-429. Lamp control beam headlights A12-131. Ignition32. Switch light and direction indicators, horn button33. Breaker34. Spark PlugsRegulator(PP-330)(Later Up-graded with33.3702 Solid-StateRegulator)IgnitionSwitch7. Neutral Gear Sensor Switch13. Neutral Gear Sensor SwitchHornMaster BatterySwitchNeutral Indicator “Green”Spark PlugAlternator(Г-424)BatteryFlasherTurnSignalHornButton

Neutral Indicator “Green”Ural (Урал(Урал) 2001-20052005

Ural (Урал) 2006 PatrolFlasherNeutral Indicator “Green”Horn

Neutral Indicator “Green”Ural “2010” Schematic

Ural Indicator PlacementDnepr Indicator PlacementOil-Pressure Sensor vs. Neutral Gear Sensor•Difficult to Distinguish between the Emergency Oil-Pressure Sensor andthe Neutral Gear Sensor–Emergency Oil-Pressure Sensor and Neutral Gear Sensor Are MinorParts and thus Covered Inadequately–Some Parts Catalogs Are Mislabeled–Vendors Confuse Parts•Confusion Rectified–Use Russian Websites and Translators•датчик аварийного давления масла: oil pressure sensor alarm•контакта датчика нейтраль: contact sensor neutral–Using the Indicator Panel Layout on the Headlight Cavity•Tracing the Sensor to Corresponding Indicator–e.g. schematic of Dnepr (Днепр) MT-10.36 below–e.g. schematic of Ural (below–Ural Schematics and Parts Lists, Russian Maintenance manuals–Ural and Dnepr Schematics•Only Ural M-66 Has Emergency Oil Pressure Sensor

Updated Wiring Harnesses AvailableWiring for M-72; with optional neutralswitch and electronic regulatorWiring for K-750, MB-750, MT-12 withoptional neutral switch and electronicregulator