Round 17 | Carlton v Collingwood
Saturday 16 July | MCG, 2:10pm
Ladder W L D PF PA % P
Collingwood (1 st ) 13 1 0 1664 924 180.09 52
Carlton ( 4th ) 10 4 1 1532 1154 132.76 42
Last five matches R12 R13 R14 R15 R17
Collingwood (4-‐1) W (STK 57) W (Melb 88) BYE W (Haw 41) W( NM 117)
Carlton (3-‐2) W (BL 61) W (Syd 34) L (WCE 36) W (Rich 103) L( WB 27)
Collingwood’s 2011 record
Carlton’s 2011 record
Head to head
Overall: Played 242, Coll 115, Carl; 123, Drawn 4; Last 5 meetings: Coll 4, Carl 1
Last two meetings:
Round 3, 2011-‐ April 8-‐MCG. Crowd:
Collingwood 4.2 9.7 12.8 15.12(102)
Carlton 4.3 5.4 8.5 11.8(74)
Collingwood defeated Carlton by 28 points in round 3 this year in front of a huge Friday night crowd
at the MCG. The Blues impressed early and held a slight lead at quarter time, but a second-‐term
burst from the Pies established a lead they did not relinquish on their way to a 15.12 (102) to 11.8
(74) win before 88,181 fans. Jarryd Blair was a standout for the Pies, booting five goals while Heath
Shaw’s rebound from defence was also pivotal. Carlton’s Michael Jamison had enjoyed the better
of his tussle with Chris Dawes for most of the night, but when the Magpie full-‐forward slotted his
second goal early in the final term it effectively ended the Blues' challenge.
Round 18, 2010 – July 31 – MCG, Crowd: 76,980
Collingwood continued its march towards Septemeber with a comprehensive 48-‐point win over
Carlton in round 18. Dane Swan (31 disposals, eight clearances) helped establish his team’s early
lead, fellow midfielder Luke Ball (28, seven tackles) was great while forwards Alan Didak (31 touches,
two goals) and Travis Cloke (12 marks and kicked 2.5) dominated.
2011 Player stats leaders
Pendlebury 14 /
Swan 13 394
Thomas 13 332
Swan 13 260
Shaw 14 229
Thomas 13 218
Cloke 14 103
Reid 14 98
Shaw 14 88
Cloke 14 40.25
Dawes 13 21.14
Swan 13 19.15
Shaw 14 62
Reid 14 54
Davis 12 45
Swan 13 179
Pendlebury 14 174
Ball 14 131
Pendlebury 14 184
Ball 14 135
Swan 13 134
Cloke 14 62
Dawes 13 21
Reid 14 20
/ Pendlebury 14 22
Ball 14 20
Shaw 14 55
O’Brien 14 29
Thomas 13 27
A glance at the opposition – Carlton
Murphy 15 438
Judd 15 400
Scotland 14 391
Murphy 15 248
Gibbs 15 242
Scotland 15 228
Robinson 14 78
Simpson 15 77
Murphy 15 71
Walker 15 37.17
Garlett 15 35.16
Betts 15 28.16
Judd 15 203
Murphy 15 196
Robinson 14 133
Gibbs 15 110
Duigan 13 105
Simpson 15 99
Waite 12 28
/ Jamison 11 15
Judd 15 32
/ Waite 12 20
Pendlebury 14 217
Thomas 13 205
Shaw 14 204
Swan 13 84
Pendlebury 14 66
Ball 14 53
Marks inside 50
Cloke 14 50
Dawes 14 19
L.Brown 14 17
Ball 14 103
Pendlebury 14 86
Wellingham 14 60
Shaw 14 7133
Swan 13 6529
Pendlebury 14 6394
Judd 15 188
Robinson 14 182
Yarran 14 172
Judd 15 103
Murphy 15 88
Robinson 14 50
Marks inside 50
Garlett 12 33
Walker 15 28
Garlett 15 26
Judd 15 99
Ellard 11 83
Carrazzo 14 76
Keeffe 1 90.9%
Tarrant 13 85.5%
McCarthy 5 80.8%
Wood 8 185
Jolly 6 150
L.Brown 12 69
Cloke 14 68
Swan 13 66
Pendlebury 14 69
Inside 50 tackles
Dawes 13 23
/ Cloke 14 19
Reid 14 90
Tarrant 13 89
Maxwell 11 38
Warnock 11 323
Hampson 9 185
Kruezer 5 82
Simpson 15 76
Scotland 15 70
Judd 15 68
Scotland/ Gibbs 6
Player by player
1 Leon Davis 177cm 80kg 30yo 216 games 266 goals
This year: 12 games, 3 goals Per game: 19.3 disp (7.7 cont. disp), 3.5 tack, 3.3 mrk
• Kicked three goals in the rnd3 encounter earlier in the season.
• Av. second highest number of disposals for his career and using it at all-‐time high 74.1% eff.
2 Chris Tarrant 193cm 94kg 30yo 246 games 361 goals
This year: 13 games, 2 goals Per game: 10.6 disp (4.3 cont. disp.), 3.5 mrk, 1.2 tkl
• Played on J. Waite over 97 mins in the rnd 3 win and conceded two goals.
3 John McCarthy 189cm 82kg 21yo 15 games 9 goals
This year: 5 games, 5 goals Per game: 14.6 disp (5.8 cont. disp.), 3.6 mrk, 3.6 tkl
• Had a match high 33 disposals in last week’s VFL loss to Port Melbourne.
• Has not played a senior game since rnd 7 v Syd (7 disposals and 2 marks).
5 Nick Maxwell 193cm 93kg 28yo 151 games 26 goals
This year: 11 games, 0 goals Per game: 12.5 disp (4.4 cont. disp.) 2.4 tack, 4.3 mrk
• Made his first start for the season against Carlton in rnd 3 and took on Thornton/Simpson.
• Kick to handball ratio is furthest away in his career 1:9 (last yr was 1.2)
6 Tyson Goldsack 193cm 88kg 24yo 61 games 6 goals
This year: 5 games, 0 goals Per game: 7.8 disp (3.6 cont. disp.), 3.4 tkl, 2.4 mrk
• Has only conceded one goal in five senior games this year.
• Named as an emergency this week.
7 Andrew Krakouer 176cm 78kg 28yo 115 games 118 goals
This year: 13 games, 16 goals Per game: 15.2 disp (8.2 cont. disp), 3.3 tack, 2.8 mrks
• Kicked 2.1 against the Blues in the rnd3 encounter earlier in the season.
• Has not booted a goal in his last three games after kicking multiple majors in four prior.
8 Harry O’Brien 188cm 92kg 24yo 125 games 15 goals
This year: 14 games, 1 goal Per game: 16.3 disp (6.4 cont), 1.3 tack, 4.0 mrks
• Has taken Eddie Betts in most games v Carlton, 84 mins in rnd 3 and did not concede a goal.
• Av. career high number of disposals and inside 50s (1.7).
10 Scott Pendlebury 191cm 91kg 23yo 116 games 72 goals
This year: 14 games, 12 goals Per game: 28.1 disp (12.4 cont. disp), 6.1 tack, 4.7 mrks
• Polled three Brownlow votes in the rnd18 encounter last yr (34 dispsoals, 1 goal).
11 Jarryd Blair 174cm 81kg 21yo 25 games 25 goals
This year: 13 games, 18 goals Per game: 15.8 disp (7.2 cont. disp), 3.5 tack, 2.7 mrks
• Had his first press conference, spoke before training at Gosch’s Paddock about Sat’s game.
• Kicked a career high five goals in the 28-‐point win over the Blues in rnd 3, 2011.
12 Luke Ball 183cm 83kg 27yo 180 games 75 goals
This year: 14 games, 10 goals Per game: 20.6 disp (9.4 cont), 7.4 tack, 4.0 mrks
• Av. career high number of scoring assists (1.6) and tackles.
• Had the second lowest number (this season) of disposals (17) and tackles (3) last week.
13 Dale Thomas 185cm 86kg 24yo 124 games 98 goals
This year: 13 games, 12 goals Per game: 25.5 disp (9.5 cont. disp), 4.0 tack, 6.1 mrks
• Polled a maximum 10 votes from the coaches in the weekly AFLCA competition last week.
• Subbed off late in the third term for Fasolo last week.
14 Luke Rounds 181cm 75kg 20yo 2 games 0 goals
This year: 2 game, 0 goals Per game: 7.5 disp (3.0 cont. disp), 1.5 tack, 1.0 mrks
• Ran with Brent Harvey for 87 mins last week and held him to 10 disposals and two goals.
• Played his first full match last week (11d, 2m) after making his debut as a sub.
15 Leigh Brown 194cm 104kg 29yo 235 games 130 goals
This year: 12 games, 15 goals Per game: 11.5 disp (6.1 cont. disp), 4.2 tack, 3.3 mrks
• Booted multiple goals (3) last week for just the third time this year.
18 Darren Jolly 200cm 108kg 29yo 198 games 101 goals
This year: 6 games, 7 goals Per game: 10.7 disp (5.5 cont), 3.3 tack, 2.5 mrk
• Starring in a new feature titled ‘Darren Not Jolly’ on CTV’s ‘In Black and White Tonight’ show.
• Since his return from Arizona has had two consecutive games of 10 disposals.
20 Ben Reid 195cm 102kg 22yo 43 games 4 goals
This year: 14 games, 1 goal Per game: 15.8 disp (6.0 cont), 0.8 tack, 7.0 mrks
• Held Drew Petrie to his lowest output of the season with just five disposals and no goals.
• Is third in the league for total spoils with 90, had 10 last week (tied for most in the rnd).
21 Sharrod Wellingham 185cm 85kg 22yo 66 games 37 goals
This year: 14 games, 12 goals Per game: 19.4 disp (9.0 cont), 4.3 tack, 3.1 mrks
• Averaging career high number of tackles and mins (94) per game.
• After his career high 37 disposals ag. Melb, has received more attention and disp. # dropped.
22 Steele Sidebottom 180cm 84kg 20yo 50 games 44 goals
This year: 14 games, 17 goals Per game: 19.2 disp (7.1 cont. disp), 4.1 tack, 4.8 mrks
• Featured in the best last week on his 50 th game with 4 goals and 21 disposals.
23 Lachlan Keeffe 204cm 99kg 21yo 1 game 0 goals
This year: 1 game, 0 goals Per game: 11.0 disp (4.0 cont. disp), 3.0 tack, 5.0 mrks
• Solid on debut playing as a key forward.
• Earned a debut through his work in the VFL this year playing as a key defender.
26 Ben Johnson 183cm 84kg 30yo 214 games 65 goals
This year: 6 games, 3 goals Per game: 18.8 disp (2.7 cont. disp), 0.8 tack, 3.5 mrks
• Has not played a senior game since round six and has worked his way through the VFL.
27 Simon Buckley 185cm 86kg 24yo 30 games 7 goals
This year: 9 games, 4 goals Per game: 18.6 disp (4.7 cont. disp), 1.2 tack, 4.3 mrks
• Av. career high number of cont. disp and minutes (104) per game.
• Omitted from the senior side and is named as an emergency this week.
32 Travis Cloke 196cm 108kg 24yo 138 games 195 goals
This year: 14 games, 40 goals Per game: 15.5 (8.9 cont), 3.1 tack, 7.4 mrks
• Having his best season in seven years with career highs in disp, cont. marks and goals.
• Has booted multiple goals in his last six games including two consec. games of six each.
34 Alan Toovey 189cm 88kg 24yo 80 games 8 goals
This year: 13 games, 0 goals Per game: 11.8 disp (5.5 cont. disp), 3.3 tack, 2.0 mrks
• Held in-‐form Carlton forward Andew Walker goalless in the rnd 3 contest this yr.
• Has conceded just 12 goals this season incl. seven games of no goals.
35 Alex Fasolo 181cm 80kg 19yo 3 games 3 goals
This year: 3 games, 3 goals Per game: 10.0 disp (5.7 cont. disp), 2.3 tkl, 2.3 mrks
• Came on as the sub for D. Thomas late in the third term last week.
• Has kicked a goal in his first three games of AFL.
36 Dane Swan 185cm 92kg 27yo 164 games 120 goals
This year: 13 games, 19 goals Per game: 30.3 disp (13.8 cont), 3.2 tack, 5.2 mrks
• Ran riot in the rnd 3 win over Carlton collecting 34 disposals and eight marks.
• Running on top of the ground since his return from Arizona – av. 35 disp and 7 marks.
39 Heath Shaw 184cm 86kg 25yo 129 games 27 goals
This year: 14 games, 2 goals Per game: 21.9 disp (6.1 cont. disp), 3.6 tkl, 6.3 mrks
• Second in the league for running bounces with 55 (67-‐C. Yarran).
• Av. his second highest number of disposals (23.0 in 2009).
Player usage 2011 – Round 15
• Three players (Fasolo, Rounds, Keeffe) have made their senior debuts in 2011.
• Two players (Krakouer, Buckley) have made their Collingwood debuts (both round 1) in 2011
after crossing from other clubs.
• The club has used 31 players in 14 matches (including round 16).
• The first VFL match between the two sides was on 22 June 1897 at Princes Park, when
Collingwood defeated Carlton by six points, 6.4 (41) to 5.5 (35). Collingwood had no multiple
goal scorers on the day. The oldest Magpie to take the field was Danny Flaherty (30-‐years-‐
old), and the youngest was Rhoda McDonald (19-‐years-‐old). Both were in their only seasons
at the club, with McDonald later playing for Carlton (in 1901).
• Collingwood’s greatest winning margin over Carlton came in Round 18, 2002 at the MCG,
when they won by 108-‐points, 21.15 (141) to 4.9 (33). In his 200 th game, Nathan Buckley
earned the three Brownlow Votes. Josh Fraser led the goal kicking with five.
• The Magpies highest score against the Blues is 24.16 (160), kicked in Round 3, 2000 at the
MCG. In front of 82,669, Collingwood moved to second on the ladder with a 73-‐point win
over the previous year’s runner up. Shane O’Bree was adjudged best afield with 31-‐
disposals, and Sav Rocca kicked six goals.
• Carlton turned the tables in their next meeting in Round 18, winning by 111-‐points in the
final match between the two clubs at Princes Park. Leading by 24-‐points at half time, the
Blues piled on 11 third-‐quarter goals. Lance Whitnall and former Pie Trent Hotton added five
goals each, while Leon Davis was Collingwood’s only multiple goal scorer with two.
Interestingly, 14 of the 22 who pulled on the jumper that afternoon went on to represent
Collingwood in the 2002 Grand Final. A further two (Rhyce Shaw and Ben Kinnear) also
played in the 2003 Grand Final.
• Defensive stalwart Shane Wakelin kicked the only goal of his Collingwood career against
Carlton in Round 7, 2007, when he ran onto a loose ball and snapped truly late in the last
quarter. Wakelin played 158-‐games for the Magpies from 2001-‐2008 for the solitary goal,
though he did kick 19 in his time with St Kilda (1994-‐2000).
• V Carlton:
o AFL Debut: R.Cook (R18 2007), M.Gardiner (R21 1998), S.Pitt (R1 1996), S.Burns (R1
1995), N.Hider (R1 1995), C.Liddell (R1 1995), S.Patterson (R1 1995), L.Walker (R1
1995), J.Croall (R2 1987)
o Club Debut: S.Crow (R1 1996), A.McDonald (R1 1996), B.Plain (R2 1994), D.Saunders
o Last game: A.Corrie (R8 2009), J.Rowe (R21 2006), M.McGough (R22 2004),
C.Rintoul (R3 2002), J.Wasley (R18 2000), L.Godden (R17 1999), C.Venables (R17
1999), J.Mahoney (R21 1998), J.Wild (R17 1999), R.Ahmat (R19 1997), K.Butcher
(R16 1995), A.Tranquilli (R16 1995), D.Banks (R12 1991), D.Barwick (R12 1991),
K.Russell (R12 1991)
o Rising Star Nominations: D.Beams (R17 2009), R.Cole (R17 2003), D.Adkins (R3
o Played for Both Clubs (Since 1990): C.Bryan (Carl 05-‐06; Coll 07-‐09), C.Cloke (Coll
04-‐06; Carl 07-‐09), H.Scotland (Coll 99-‐03; Carl 04-‐11), T.Hotton (Coll 94-‐96; Carl 00-‐
02), M.McGuane (Coll 87-‐96; Carl 97), B.Mitchell (Coll 93; Carl 94-‐96)
Alan Didak – calf (test)
Dayne Beams – foot (1-‐2 weeks)
Chris Dawes – hand (3-‐4 weeks)
Nathan Brown – knee (season)
Brad Dick – knee (season)
Tom Hunter – neck (retired)
Andrew Carazzo – calf (1 week)
Simon White – hamstring (1 week)
Shaun Hampson – knee (3 weeks)
Michael Jamison – knee (3-‐4 weeks)
Jarrad Waite – hip (3-‐4 weeks)
Andrew Collins – shoulder (season)
Andrew McInnes – shoulder (season)
Luke Mitchell – shoulder (season)
Radio broadcast guide – Out of the MCG
ABC774 1300-‐1800 (Drew Morphett, Mark Maclure, Chris Grant and Greg Baum)
3AW 1200-‐1800 (Brian Taylor, Leigh Matthews, Matthew Richardson and David King)
K-‐Rock 1200-‐1800 (Mark Doran and Tom King)
Triple M 1200-‐1800 (James Brayshaw, Rex Hunt, Garry Lyon, Danny Frawley and Damian Barrett)
On this date...
Round 15, 1995 –July 16– Gabba, Crowd: 51,382
Collingwood: 3.4 10.10 17.13 19.15 (129)
Brisbane Bears: 3.3 5.8 8.11 11.14 (80)
Collingwood beat the Brisbane Bears by 49 points at the Gabba on July 16 1995 in front of 51,382
The Pies victory was helped along by the efforts of Nathan Buckley (Seven marks, 29 disposals
including 23 kicks), Scott Russell (24 disposals) and Gavin Crosisca (six marks, 22 disposals including
Saverio Rocca was the leading goal scorer with six goals and Shane Watson kicked three.
Who did you barrack for as a kid?
Travis Cloke “Geelong”
Alan Didak “Essendon”
Leigh Brown “Essendon”
Heath Shaw “Collingwood”
Who was your favourite player?
Dale Thomas “Gary Ablett Snr”
Alan Didak “Gavin Ganganeen”
Leigh Brown “Simon Madden”
Heath Shaw “Warrick Capper”
What was a favourite memory you have of going to the footy as a kid?
Dale Thomas “Playing Vic Kick as a kid at Waverly Park”
Alan Didak “Playing for a state team at halftime of an AFL match”
Leigh Brown “Going to the footy when I was young and watching Essendon play at Waverly Park.”
Wangaratta’s Norm Minns Oval plays host to Collingwood’s VFL team (11 th : 3-‐10) on Sunday 9 July
when they meet Williamstown (2 nd : 10-‐2) at 1.30pm. It is a Williamstown home game, as the
Seagulls home ground, Point Gellibrand, is under reconstruction in 2011. The venue is home to the
Wangaratta Magpies in the Ovens and Murray Football League. The Wangaratta Magpies have
produced a number of VFL/AFL players, including former Tiger Chris Naish, who was a runner for
Collingwood in 2002.
Collingwood 3.4 5.6 8.9 9.12 (66)
Port Melbourne 3.2 7.4 9.12 17.12 (114)
Goals – Collingwood Reilly 2, Ugle 2, Bolton, Johnson, Couch, Sinclair, Stubbs
Best – Collingwood McNamara, Ugle, Condy, McCarthy, Sinclair, Macaffer
Recap the week
Recovery session at the Westpac Centre.
Recovery session at the Westpac Centre.
Main training session at Gosch’s Paddock/ Jarryd Blair press conference before training.
Players’ day off/ ‘In Black and White Tonight’ streamed on collingwoodfc.com.au
Main training at Gosch’s Paddock/ Mick Malthouse fronts the media.
A conversation with…Mick McGuane
What were your experiences with both Collingwood and Carlton, and what is it like to play in these
It was one of the big weeks in footy, there’s no question about that. I think there was a mutual respect
between both clubs and in relation to player-‐to-‐player. But obviously the hatred was fairly deep-‐seated
from the supporters, and that manifested in the player group quite clearly, because you’re on the street
and talking to those going to work, and that translates into discussion, and you just knew the crowd was
going to be big and the stage was always set for a great contest. I thought always that proceeded training
but once you got to game day you knew you had a significant role to play because they had some
outstanding players at their disposal, personally speaking; quite often I matched up against Wayne
Johnston and Craig Bradley or Greg Williams, so I always had some enthralling contests to look forward
to, and as you know, they’re three great players. It was always a great challenge to get yourself up for
those games and you’d want to play well on the big stage, that’s one thing I tried to do on a week-‐to-‐
week basis but even more so against those opposition players.
Is it something that is built up internally as a game that’s bigger than the rest?
Leigh (Matthews) was fantastic in that he tried to approach each week fairly the same, to get the same
intent and attitude right. I just think the outside influence added to the hype and psyche of the playing
group. We understood that Carlton-‐Collingwood games were always a fantastic battle based on the
history, and you talk about the David Rhys-‐Jones and the Denis Banks situation, the things that happened
with Jerker Jenkins, there’re always things that happened that were magnificent moments in the game of
footy against Carlton, either Collingwood players doing it or Carlton players doing it, and I think that was
embedded in a young bloke like myself who barracked for Collingwood as a kid. To one day get the
chance to play on that stage was something that you wanted to do and uphold, I suppose.
On the subject of Collingwood-‐Carlton matches, can you run us through that famous seven-‐bounce
goal against the Blues in Round 2 1994?
It was one of those things that just evolved in the game, and in the moment you didn’t think much of it,
but I suppose that getting continually asked ‘how did it happen?’ or ‘did it win Goal of the Year?’
remained a focus for a period of time. At the time, in the game, I personally didn’t think a lot of it. It was
just one of those things that unfolded and Mark Fraser was outstanding in his work rate off the ball, and
Sav (Rocca) did a particularly important thing in terms of leading towards the boundary to open up the
corridor, which was very selfless on his behalf. Green grass just opened up and I continued to run and
(Michael) Sexton came across the left side of my vision and with the angle he was coming on, I was
always going to baulk him, so it just unfolded.
What was it like to make the switch to Carlton at the end of 1996?
It was hard, there’s no question about that. It was just one of those situations that happened, and I
never got a chance to play against Collingwood, because the week before I played the Adelaide Crows,
and I tore the left side of my groin which I’d never had any problem with. I’d had six or seven operations
on my right side plus a ruptured urethra, which probably was the death knell for me at Collingwood. In
saying that, I don’t know what it was like to play against Collingwood, but I did know what it was like to
play against Carlton. I think I played 16-‐games of footy against Carlton, and I think the ledger was 8-‐8 in
my time. It just goes to show that irrespective of where the teams are in ladder position, sometimes the
non-‐favoured team would win and sometimes the favourite would win. It would come down to the day.
Was the urethra injury the main factor in leaving club?
That wasn’t the reason as to why I left, I won’t go into that anyway, that’s old news, so history’s moved
on since then and I’ve moved on since then but it was a great time to be a Collingwood player, and I
loved the joint. I’ve always barracked for them ever since I was a young fella and I always had a great
connection with the supporter base. They were terrific for me, and even not playing now, you look at the
playing group and you’re envious that they’re out there because that’s one thing that you want to do as
a player, to play against the best on the big stage and play well. This 22 that’ll confront Carlton on the
weekend have got an opportunity to present themselves and their club with honour.
Having experienced football at two clubs, what would you say to Dale Thomas and Scott Pendlebury,
who are reported targets of Greater Western Sydney?
The way that footy’s going, quite clearly it’s a business, and I think that clubs go down the party line of
loyalty and all that sort of stuff, but quite often they can’t wait to get rid of an individual. We’ve seen
(Daniel) Bradshaw at Brisbane as a terrific example of that. But I don’t know what the money is being
bandied around. Obviously security’s pretty important to people in life and they’ve got other objectives
after their footy lives are finished. You’d have to weigh it up individually, but you wouldn’t get a better
club than Collingwood, I can tell you that. The support mechanisms they’ve got in place now are
outstanding. To me, it’s not about money, it’s about playing in a successful environment because you can
relive those memories for many a day. You can spend money individually, but you can’t share it
collectively, so that’d probably be a little advice from my perspective. It’d be great to see those guys go
through this dynasty that they can clearly dominate the competition with. They can relive the Hawthorns
of the 80s, West Coast of the early 90s, they were a terrific side, or Essendon in 2000 and the Brisbane
Lions and now Geelong and no doubt Collingwood have got the cattle and their disposal to be a
magnificent force for many years to come. They’re a terrific team.
Did you ever receive a big offer from another club?
No, I always wanted to be a Collingwood player. I loved the joint. At the end of the day, a lot of people
said to me in time that I could’ve got a lot more money elsewhere, but that to me was insignificant. I can
tell you now that I went to Carlton for less money. At the end of my time, it was all about probably
timing, that might have been essential. I was always involved in two or three year contracts when I’d had
significant years personally with back-‐to-‐back Copeland’s in 1992-‐1993, I had a pretty good year in ’90,
and I was always committed to that club in that period. If it had have been the end of ’92, for example,
out of contrast, the landscape might have been different, but I doubt it.
Describe how you ended up at Victoria Park...
I was in the St Kilda zone, and a lot of people thought at that time that I was a better cricketer than
footballer and maybe that that was the path I was going to take. I think Graeme Gellie, who was the
recruiting officer at St Kilda at the time, and one night Billy O’Keefe, the Collingwood recruiting person,
came down and watched me play for St Pats Ballarat High School on the Wednesday night, and if you
were over 15-‐years and six months, then even if you were in someone else’s zoning area and you
weren’t on that zoning club’s list, such as me being on St Kilda’s list, then you were open property. Now I
fitted that criteria – I was over 15-‐years and six months, I’d played school footy that night, I kicked 13-‐
goals for St Pats, I was captain of the school, and Billy O’Keefe said ‘what about if we submit your name
on the Collingwood list going forward for 1986?’, and I couldn’t get a pen quick enough. The zoning
ecame irrelevant to me and I wanted to become an AFL-‐listed player. That was submitted at AFL House,
in Jolimont in those days, by 9 o’clock the next morning and you were put up on the computer and you
were listed as a Collingwood layer from that point on and the rest is history.
What are your memories of your first game, against Footscray out at the Western Oval?
A typically windy day! I didn’t have a lot of influence on the game. It was just great to get a part of it,
because out of that Under-‐19 premiership team that ’86 side, we had a number of players get chances at
various stages. The club was going through a bit of a changeover, a bit of a rebirth I suppose you’d call it,
and Leigh invested in youth that year (1987) and eventually I got my chance. I don’t know whether it was
round 17, or something of nature, going by memory. It was just great to get a chance and rub shoulders
with blokes like ‘Daics’ and ‘Pants’ and ‘Shawry’ and these sorts of guys that I looked up to as a young
fella and all of a sudden got a chance to play with. It was just a matter of getting the opportunity and
getting a grasp for it, and how fit you had to be and how fit you had to get to. I think as a kid, you rely on
your talent, but you don’t understand what hard work is at 16 or 17-‐years old and you dominate games
of footy purely based on talent. When you get to the real world of AFL footy, you understand what it is
you have to do to get better and there were a lot of areas of my game that I had to improve on. To get a
taste of it was an eye opener, which probably earmarked me for a really good pre-‐season going into the
’88 season, when I was fortunate enough to run second to Daics and Shane Morwood in a Copeland
Trophy after 25-‐games or something like that.
Was there any particular moment where you genuinely felt like you belonged at the highest level?
Initially I probably doubted myself, because I didn’t like Melbourne, I was a country fella and I couldn’t
stand the joint, to be honest with you. I couldn’t wait to get home. But Keith Burns was a fantastic
influence on a lot of us, particularly myself early on. He was hard but fair and straight to the point. He
questioned at times whether individuals really had the appetite for footy. I think a laconic country lad
sometimes gives the impression that he doesn’t care, but inside, there’s a burning desire to compete and
survive. Sometimes the environment wasn’t comfortable, and through that period we had a fantastic
family apprenticeship away from your own family at Coventry House. It was Gav Crosisca, Mark Orval,
Brett Gloury, Greg Faull and myself, so it was us five along with Mrs Crosisca, Gavin’s mother, she looked
after us. It probably hits home when the five of us get home from work 10-‐minutes apart and we all go in
the one car to training together, and Mrs Crosisca had passed away during the day in the house, she had
a coronary attack. That really (helped us) understand what the family away from the family really meant.
I never had a brother. I certainly adopted four in this time here. You understand that you go your
separate ways and you have things to do in your life, but you never forget those defining moments that
singlehandedly bring everyone together, without the actual birth certificate saying you’re a brother.
I’ve tried to keep in contact with a few of the guys. Faully’s in Ballarat somewhere, Brett’s in Bendigo, I
coached against him when he was at Kangaroo Flat, so it was always great to catch up with him. ‘Orvs’
and myself talk a fair bit, his boy’s going very well, and might get drafted this year. Gav Crosisca’s
obviously coaching and been in the coaching sphere for many a day so it’s hard to overlap your lifestyles
to a point, knowing that you’ve got your own commitments in your life. At the end of the day, you don’t
have to really keep in touch to understand the dynamic that was set from that day.
To turn the attention to the 1990 flag – what are your most vivid memories of the day, and the season
The belief from within was clearly there for everyone to witness, to understand. We felt that we had a
very good, even, hard working, selfless footy team. We understood that, if we went outside the
parameters that Leigh and the leadership group set, we’d come back to the field pretty quickly. But we
also understood that if we played and tried to uphold our player expectation, of understanding what the
team ethos was all about, we’d be very competitive. We had a hiccup at the back end of the year with
losses to Hawthorn and Essendon, but in saying that, in that finals campaign, the realism of the sport we
play means you only have to be the best for a month. We felt that we were the best for the month, and
that’s the reason why you win a premiership. The 22 rounds of the season are about accumulating more
wins than losses so you can get to that stage. But once you get to that stage, in real terms, you have to
be the best for the month and we felt we could be that. We sacrificed particularly well after about Round
15 or 16 – a lot of the guys went on the square and they committed themselves to the cause, and we saw
a lot of benefits from that. We recovered better, knew that we had the work rate in us. We had Mark
McKeon, our fitness guy, who was fantastic in ticking all the boxes so that we just felt we were geared for
the day. The draw (with West Coast in the Qualifying Final) was probably a little bit of fortune for us. It
gave Essendon an extra week of not playing a game, and they had some older bodies than us in (Simon)
Madden, (Paul) Vander Haar and the Danihers who didn’t have the continuity at that stage of the year.
But our guys were fully primed for an assault. Our Second Semi Final victory was comprehensive.
Obviously the Grand Final was a fantastic game in itself.
When did you think we had it won in the Grand Final?
I thought the first eight minutes of the second quarter told the story. After that quarter time blue,
obviously Mathews was single-‐minded in his approach to say ‘let’s be ball focused rather than opposition
focused’. He said he’d been in that situation before in ’83 with Hawthorn and Essendon when that blue
started, and quite often, individuals might get scarred physically and take their eyes off the ball, so to
speak, but we had a manic approach at the footy and history tells us that we kicked five in eight minutes
and they gave away a couple of undisciplined free kicks by probably having a focus on the opponent
rather than the ball. Those defining moments added to goals and that was the buffer we got. From that
point, I didn’t think we were going to get beaten, to be perfectly honest.
Season 1991 wasn’t a success, backing up after the premiership. What do you attribute that to?
I think it was a by-‐product of poor preparation individually. I put my hand up for that; I probably got
caught up in the euphoria of what a 32-‐year layoff was all about. As much as we thought we were doing
the hard work, we probably didn’t elevate ourselves to extra hard work. As we know, opposition clubs
become the hunters, they hunt you, and we believed that collectively we probably let ourselves down.
It’s easy in hindsight.
Was it something you realised at the time?
Probably not. We had an ordinary start to the year, but I think, and I’m going off memory now, we might
have won nine of our last 11 games to nearly qualify. We certainly had the talent at our disposal. After a
slow start, slow preparation, blokes probably weren’t as committed and probably as disciplined as they
should have been during the week. After the premiership, we probably got caught up in it too much, and
I suppose that personally from an individual point of view, knowing that I lost a good mate of mine in
Pants (Darren Millane). I certainly lived the experience of what you had to do within 12-‐months, because
in October, November, December at the end of ’91, going into the ’92 season, was the hardest, most
single-‐minded, most ruthless approach I’d had on my footy life. It was all about trying to fill the void in
some capacity. I knew I wouldn’t be able to fill his shoes to the extent of what Darren could, but I clearly
wanted to achieve what I wanted to achieve for him. I trained sometimes 14-‐sessions a week. So with
that, I got super fit, and had probably my best footy season. With that, I got All-‐Australian and was the
Copeland Trophy. Unfortunately we finished equal top that year and had third versus six and got beaten
by eight points against St Kilda. A lot of people continually asked, ‘were you a better team without
Pants?’, and in ’92 we proved we were capable and more than likely of trying to win a premiership with
him not being there. He was a massive loss for us. It was something that we as a group had to try to turn
around pretty quickly. Personally, I wanted to be at the forefront of that, because I stay at him and his
mum and dad’s place for the whole week before the funeral, and stayed in his bedroom and relived a lot
of fantastic memories that we shared together.
Was the death of Millane something that set the club back for 1992 and the seasons that followed?
We moved on pretty quickly. If we had’ve dwelled on it, we wouldn’t have finished equal top in the AFL
in ’92. A lot of individuals were taken aback by it. I suppose it was a life experience that we could all
relate to, it was tangible, ‘this is what happens if...’ It was a fantastic message that, if you go outside the
rules of the road, for example, you can lose a life. I lived that. I lost my license in probably ’91 as well, but
I survived, drink driving. I’m not proud of it. Pants drink drives and look what happens. So to take two
steps forward, I probably took five steps back to realise and take a deep breath and say ‘hey, pull your
head in, you lose a good mate because he’s done something you did, you got away with it, he hasn’t’. It
was probably a definitely moment, personally.
You won back-‐to-‐back Copeland Trophies in 1992 and 1993. Were they your best years of senior footy?
It’s hard to put it properly. ’92 was probably my best. I would have close to 650 odd possessions back in
those days. I thought in 1988 I had a really good year. I got injured in the final, played out on the ground
with a pretty severe rolled ankle. Who’s to that wouldn’t have influenced the game and maybe a
Copeland Trophy result as well, because there was nothing in it that night. It was one of those things that
happened. In 1990, I had a slow start to the year, but I reckon I really had a fantastic last 15 or 16 weeks
of that year. ’93 wasn’t as good as ’92, I didn’t think, personally, but when you set your high standards
you don’t want to go back. You want to continually improve on it. I thought I went slightly backwards
from my ’92 year. It was ok. And obviously in the match committee eyes it was a Copeland Trophy back-‐
to-‐back situation. After that I just had frustration with continued injuries, groin problems and calf
problems, but at the end of the day, there’s no use looking back on those negatives and looking at the
positives we shared together.
Describe how it felt to be coached by Tony Shaw, an ex-‐teammate of yours, in 1996.
It was interesting. I remember Shawry came up to me in the early stages of the appointment and said
‘mate, I need you’ and said ‘you’ve got me’, I said ‘I’ve got no problems with that’. I played the first five
rounds and I think that history will tell you that I was in front of the Copeland Trophy at that stage. I
thought I jumped into the season particularly well on the back of a low base with another operation.
Once that incident happened on Anzac Day, I didn’t know the extent of it. The following week I wanted
to play, but I tore my calf on the Thursday night, but it wasn’t until the following week that I was sitting
in the grandstand with my torn calf, and I didn’t know I had the urethra problem. It wasn’t ‘til I was in the
grandstand with my and my uncle who had come down from Queensland that, just before half time, I’d
started sweating and breaking out in extreme pain, and I went down and saw Dr Julian Feller, the
surgeon at the time. My bladder was in trouble. He asked what it was, and I told him I was struggling to
pass any water, and the pain was excruciating. I went inside into the doctors and went to Vimy House,
and they assessed me and found that I had a ruptured urethra and that I had 1.5 litres of poison and
toxins through my bladder, so they had to clean the area and my season was finished.
How did you damage your urethra?
It’s a very common motorbike accident. In this situation, I put my body on the line and went across a
contest. I remember vividly that I hit an Essendon bloke’s knee when I was on the ground. At the time,
because I remember an incident in ’88 when I got hit in the ribs and I passed blood, which was similar to
this situation because I passed blood at half time. I knew I had to get injected to get through the game. I
was in excruciating pain at the time but I didn’t know the extent of the injury. I was thinking that I had
groin problems again, and I’ll just get through with a jab and get out there and get amongst it. I knew I
was struggling to run so I went to centre half forward, basically, and Gary O’Donnell was tagging me and I
kept Paul Williams and Stephen Patterson in nice and tight alongside me to block and screen for those
guys to make that my focus because I was getting tagged, but at the end of the day I was going to be
selfless because I knew I couldn’t do the work rate required to get off the chain against O’Donnell. It was
just good to get through that game and history tells you what sort of result that was (Collingwood by 12-‐
points, Round 5, 1996).
You’ve been a successful coach at suburban level for a number of years. Is returning to coaching at AFL
level an ambition for you (McGuane was an assistant coach at St Kilda in 2006)?
I don’t know. It’s all about opportunity. You don’t go to a wedding without an invitation. Footy’s much
the same with the way it’s gone. I love footy. I really think I understand the game. I love coaching at
suburban level. I just enjoy the development of the young kids to give them the chance to go to the TAC
Cup or the VFL. It’s a game I know, it’s a game I love, and I’m very strong about, hence the reasons as to
why I’ve stayed in the media and comment on it. And that’s the season as to why I coach, because
there’s a Bunsen burner inside that’s still flickering away, and once it goes out, there’ll be no footy for
me. But at the moment, it’s still flickering – the pilot light’s still alight – and I just want to be involved. If I
don’t play, the next best thing is to coach because it gives you the adrenalin rush. That’s what winning
and losing’s all about, and it changes week to week as we know, so that’s what keeps me getting out of
bed. I just love being involved in the game because it’s been so good to me. I don’t have any involvement
in commentary any more, just with time and things like that, and my lifestyle’s changed, to a point.
When you’re coaching, you’re training Monday, Tuesday and Thursday nights, getting home at 10 o’clock
at night on some nights, and you’ve got to get up for breakfast radio the next morning. Something’s
gotta give. You’re coaching all day Saturday and I’m there at 8.30 in the morning to watch the Under-‐18s
play at 9 o’clock, and leave at 8 o’clock at night, so you need some sort of down time, and Sunday’s
generally it. It’s a chance to reload the batteries and do some vision and some editing for our senior
listed players, which for this level is pretty important. You’ve got an obligation to teach and educate and
communicate the way the game should be played and where it’s going. Sometimes you’ve got to have
evidence at your disposal to justify your means.
Where did you watch last year’s Grand Final from? What were your emotions on the day?
No, I didn’t actually go; I wanted to watch it by myself. I sat in the lounge room all by myself. Didn’t want
anyone around. A mate eventually came over and watched the game with me. But in essence I just
wanted to concentrate on the game and I remember texting Eddie McGuire straight away after the
result, saying how grateful I was to see the result go down that way. I know how much it meant to him.
He was good to us 20-‐years ago. He was with all our guys in that time as an Eye Witness News presenter
back then. He used to come out and have a beer with us and knock around with us, and to see all the
hard work and the pain he’s gone through, I thought it was satisfying to see him be a part of that
premiership victory, because I know the hard work that he’s done. I don’t know the playing group, bar a
few of the players, and I don’t go out of my way to knock on their door or go and see them at a function
or whatnot. It’s their time, and they fully deserve every accolade they get, because I thought they were
Many have discussed how the 1990 side would match up with the 2010 side on paper, but on game
day, how would your side fare?
It’s never easy when it’s a hypothetical, is it? There’s no doubt that they’re trained to the minute
nowadays. We’d be a pretty good team if we had five-‐day-‐a-‐week training and have the Westpac Centre
at our disposal with the chance to monitor, address, train and review. Based on the Victoria Park
days...but I tell you one thing, it’d be a contest. There’d be match ups right across the ground. I think a
lot of people would like to see in the middle of the ground, there’d be some fantastic match ups. Even on
the outside, (Graham) Wright versus Heath Shaw. Millane versus whoever would come to him. It’d be
fantastic. In defence we had some mongrels. Travis Cloke would know he has a head because Craig Kelly
wouldn’t miss it. (Michael) Christian would be able to match the athleticism of (Chris) Dawes, but also his
rebounding creativity would be advantageous to us. (Darren) Jolly would certainly know that he’d have a
contest with big Monkey. In our front half we had ‘Daics’, the mercurial Daicos. It’d be interesting to see
who’d stand him, because we had him play tall, a bit like Steven Johnson does now for Geelong. Harry
O’Brien might get first crack, but I tell you one thing, if he went to ground, boy, Harry wouldn’t know
what day it was.
Is there any current Magpie you could compare yourself to?
I’ve always said I’m Scott Pendlebury. I’m a bit like ‘Pendles’, or ‘Pendles’ plays a bit like me. We buy our
time. We control the tempo of the game by being very creative. Basically use the ball well and make
good decisions, I think. We both see the game really well, and I’ve always said when I see him play, I see
a lot of his traits in the way I used to play. If you go in the grandstand you see the ball and you see the
option that he decides to give it, and that’s being ahead of the game. So if there’s probably one guy that
you could say you’d like to play on, or if you want to play on yourself, in today’s world, I’d like to play on
‘Pendles’, two blokes going head to head playing the game fairly similarly I think.
What does life hold for Mick McGuane in 2011?
I’m coaching at the Keilor Football Club. I’m also working for Radio Sports National, doing some relief
hosting there when ‘Chrisso’ or Tony Jones go on holidays, doing some work there on Mondays and
Fridays post and prior to the games. I’m also doing a web show with Wayne Carey, on the Internet, we
call it ‘Playing The Game’, it’s going to be launched in a couple of weeks, we’ve probably done six or
seven pilots. It’s going to be about our opinions based on the issues in the AFL or any sport in general. It’s
at www.eyetv.com.au .
1 Leon Davis
2 Chris Tarrant
3 John McCarthy (emergency)
5 Nick Maxwell
6 Tyson Goldsack (emergency)
7 Andrew Krakouer
8 Harry O’Brien
10 Scott Pendlebury
11 Jarryd Blair
12 Luke Ball
13 Dale Thomas
14 Luke Rounds
15 Leigh Brown
18 Darren Jolly
20 Ben Reid
21 Sharrod Wellingham
22 Steele Sidebottom
23 Lachlan Keeffe
26 Ben Johnson
27 Simon Buckley (emergency)
32 Travis Cloke
34 Alan Toovey
35 Alex Fasolo
36 Dane Swan
39 Heath Shaw
1 Andrew Walker
3 Marc Murphy
4 Bryce Gibbs
5 Chris Judd
6 Kade Simpson
8 Matthew Kruezer
9 Kane Lucas (emergency)
10 Matthew Watson
11 Robert Warnock
12 Mitch Robinson
13 Christopher Yarran
15 Jeremy Laidler
18 Paul Bower
19 Eddie Betts
23 Lachlan Henderson
27 Dennis Armfield
29 Heath Scotland
32 Bret Thornton
34 Nick Duigan
35 Edward Curnow
38 Jeffrey Garlett
39 Wayde Twomey (emergency)
42 Zach Tuohy (emergency)
45 Aaron Joseph
46 David Ellard