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FEBRUARY 13, 2018 ISSUE No. 9 (1141)<br />

Tel.: +38(044) 303-96-19,<br />

fax: +38(044) 303-94-20<br />

е-mail: time@day.kiev.ua;<br />

http://www.day.kiev.ua<br />

“HOW<br />

Photo by Ruslan KANIUKA, The Day<br />

TO PROTECT<br />

PEOPLE FROM<br />

TECHNOLOGY?”<br />

White House adviser and<br />

Google’s “secret weapon”<br />

speaks about challenges of<br />

“technological revolutions”<br />

Continued on pages 6, 7<br />

Photo by Ruslan KANIUKA, The Day<br />

On the role of the monarchy, Minsk II,<br />

and the Budapest Memorandum<br />

Ambassador Judith GOUGH:<br />

“Ukraine continues to remain a priority for<br />

us and we continue to support Ukraine<br />

and remain in solidarity with Ukraine”<br />

Continued on pages 4, 5


2<br />

No.9 FEBRUARY 13, 2018<br />

DAY AFTER DAY<br />

WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />

“The Yanukovych case”:<br />

what lesson have we drawn?<br />

Expert: “There is no understanding that political<br />

processes need to be separated from legal issues”<br />

By Ivan KAPSAMUN, The Day<br />

These days four years ago, there was<br />

not much time left before the tragic<br />

apogee of the Maidan. A week later<br />

(February 18-20, 2014), dozens of<br />

people were shot in the center of the<br />

Ukrainian capital. Then Viktor Yanukovych<br />

fled the country, and our current rulers<br />

came to power. Has any representative of<br />

the then authorities been brought to account<br />

for the terrible crimes committed? They<br />

have fled, you will say. Yes, but has a<br />

quality investigation been carried out at<br />

least? Or have we seen a trial in absentia<br />

happening?<br />

On the latter matter, some new information<br />

has appeared lately. It is quite likely<br />

that the current government decided to<br />

accelerate the process precisely due to the<br />

approaching anniversary of the tragic<br />

events. They are just used to working this<br />

way – marking an important date with<br />

some actions.<br />

Thus, Prosecutor General Yurii Lutsenko<br />

wrote on Facebook: “From my first<br />

day in office, I have felt that my main task<br />

is to answer the question: who is to blame<br />

for the deaths of the Heavenly Hundred?<br />

During this year-and-a-half, a lot has been<br />

done: 280 individuals who executed criminal<br />

orders to commit acts of violence<br />

against Maidan protesters are being tried.<br />

But the public rightly asks: who was the organizer<br />

of the shootings of peaceful protesters?<br />

... Today, after months of controversial<br />

actions by Yanukovych’s defense<br />

team, the Pecherskyi District Court of<br />

Kyiv allowed us to hold a special (in absentia)<br />

preliminary investigation of former<br />

president Yanukovych, former head of the<br />

Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) Oleksandr<br />

Yakymenko, and former first deputy<br />

head of the SBU Volodymyr Totskyi’s involvement<br />

in the Maidan shootings. This<br />

means that after the completion of the<br />

Yanukovych high treason trial, Ukrainians<br />

will witness the next trial dealing with criminal<br />

orders to attack the Maidan. As to the<br />

other three persons involved in this criminal<br />

proceeding, namely Vitalii Zakharchenko,<br />

Viktor Ratushniak, and Petro<br />

Fedchuk, similar prosecutorial motions<br />

will be considered in the near future.”<br />

The investigation team blames expresident<br />

Yanukovych and other former<br />

high-ranking officials of involvement in the<br />

Maidan shootings. From February 18-20,<br />

2014, clashes between protesters and lawenforcement<br />

officers saw more than 100 activists<br />

of the Euromaidan and 19 police officers<br />

killed.<br />

In response, Yanukovych said that he<br />

was dissatisfied with the court’s permission<br />

to hold an in absentia investigation into his<br />

actions, and accused the current government<br />

of preventing his lawyers from attending<br />

the court hearing, This claim is contained<br />

in a statement by the ex-president<br />

which was posted on Facebook by the<br />

spokesman of his son Oleksandr Yanukovych,<br />

Yurii Kyrasyr. “The current<br />

Ukrainian regime has stooped to criminal<br />

measures, namely using force to remove my<br />

lawyers from the trial in the so-called<br />

Maidan case, which is allegedly being<br />

‘heard’ by the Pecherskyi District Court of<br />

Kyiv,” stated Yanukovych.<br />

Let us recall that the Obolonskyi District<br />

Court of Kyiv is already hearing a case<br />

against Yanukovych on charges of high<br />

treason. Yanukovych himself, who is currently<br />

residing in Russia, rejects all the allegations<br />

against himself. He testified in<br />

court through a video link.<br />

A very important point in this whole story<br />

is to see not just criminal cases against former<br />

high-ranking officials, but high-quality<br />

investigations. After all, any mistakes<br />

made during them may then serve as grounds<br />

for the annulment of judgments in European<br />

courts, if, for example, Yanukovych decides<br />

to bring the matter there. There are<br />

even examples where representatives of the<br />

former regime have already won cases in European<br />

courts: for example, Andrii Portnov.<br />

Journalists, of course, can be blamed for interviewing<br />

Portnov or Olena Bondarenko<br />

(this is a separate matter, though), but<br />

what has the current Ukrainian government<br />

done to prove the guilt of former officials?<br />

Therefore, this story, in fact, is not just indicative,<br />

but also instructive, both from a legal<br />

and a political point of view. It is these<br />

key matters that are dealt with in the commentary<br />

below, offered by lawyer, Candidate<br />

of Law, senior research fellow at the Koretsky<br />

Institute of State and Law (the National<br />

Academy of Sciences of Ukraine)<br />

Mykola SIRYI.<br />

“I would like to recall the statement of<br />

Prosecutor General Lutsenko that the conviction<br />

in the first case involving treason had<br />

to be obtained by September 2017. It is February<br />

2018 now, that is, it has already<br />

been six months since this stated date, and<br />

we see that the end of this proceeding is<br />

nowhere in sight. This implies irresponsible<br />

attitude on the part of the state, in particular<br />

the Prosecutor General’s Office (PGO),<br />

towards the construction of its strategy. It<br />

must be understood that if a certain action<br />

is announced, the PGO must exhibit professionalism<br />

and understanding of the situation,<br />

that is, they must know how the<br />

events will develop. If you want to amend the<br />

law, and in fact the in absentia procedure<br />

needs this to be legal, then it was necessary<br />

to do so a year ago and understand how the<br />

trial will develop. Unfortunately, we are seeing<br />

a situation instead when people are<br />

starting to act blindly, not knowing what<br />

consequences these actions will have.<br />

“As for the Maidan killings, we also see<br />

that the prosecutor general is again in a hurry<br />

to make statements and demonstrate<br />

seemingly dynamic progress. I would not<br />

want to offer a negative forecast, but it is<br />

likely that we will have the same situation<br />

in that latter trial too. In general, those people<br />

who take important decisions in the legal<br />

sphere today lack understanding that political<br />

processes need to be separated from<br />

legal issues. Beginning one or another legal<br />

proceeding, including a trial, one needs to<br />

have a good hold on one’s tools and to separate<br />

political information from purely legal<br />

proceedings. In my opinion, it is in this<br />

area that we have serious problems and the<br />

corresponding consequences.<br />

“With regard to the formal issues of defense<br />

provision, the accused person always<br />

takes lead in choosing a counsel. That is, the<br />

state cannot impose on the person a counsel<br />

that it considers to be the best from its own<br />

perspective. Therefore, any actions aimed at<br />

ignoring the right to legal defense can be perceived<br />

positively neither in Ukraine nor<br />

abroad. It should also be remembered that<br />

an in absentia trial is a quasi trial, after<br />

which it is still possible to return to the complete<br />

trial mode. Therefore, when starting<br />

any in absentia trial, it is necessary to conduct<br />

it as one, that is, in an abbreviated<br />

form. After an in absentia trial, the person<br />

against whom the verdict is pronounced is<br />

still entitled to a complete trial.<br />

“The fact that we need to raise the issue<br />

of the legal responsibility of<br />

Yanukovych and the then supreme leadership<br />

of the nation, who used excessive<br />

force and weapons against people which led<br />

to numerous deaths – that fact is indisputable.<br />

But if the state is involved in this<br />

trial, in particular the PGO, then everything<br />

must be done in a professional, authoritative<br />

manner, with an understanding of<br />

how this trial will develop. What we are seeing<br />

now is the prosecution team lacking full<br />

understanding of the essence of the trial.<br />

Therefore, we see the high treason trial expanding<br />

its scope beyond belief. The impression<br />

is that they plan to question the entire<br />

military establishment and the entire<br />

political class of Ukraine, including past,<br />

present, and future figures. This indicates<br />

a nonprofessional approach.”<br />

By Natalia PUSHKARUK, The Day<br />

Recently, member of the Israeli<br />

Knesset Akram Hasson submitted<br />

for consideration by the<br />

chamber a bill proposing to<br />

recognize the Holodomor of 1932-<br />

33 as genocide, and to proclaim December 6<br />

as the official commemoration day for<br />

Holodomor victims. The explanatory notes<br />

to the bill state that the Holodomor was<br />

planned by “the Soviet authorities in order<br />

to strike a blow against the Ukrainian<br />

nation and Ukrainian national identity,”<br />

the DW writes.<br />

NEWSru.co.il writes that the idea of<br />

submitting the bill for consideration occurred<br />

to Hasson after he had made a visit<br />

to Ukraine and, in particular, visited the<br />

Holodomor Museum, which made a great<br />

impression on him.<br />

A request to recognize the Holodomor<br />

as an act of genocide was communicated<br />

to the Israeli side back in September<br />

2016 by a group of Ukrainian public figures.<br />

Yurii SHCHERBAK,<br />

diplomat and journalist:<br />

“They are now able to talk about it and<br />

have put the bill on the agenda, which is already<br />

a step forward and should be welcomed.<br />

But I think that they will not pass it,<br />

because their position is clear: the Holocaust<br />

of the Jewish people was the only event of<br />

that magnitude, and the Holodomor was, of<br />

course, acrime, butnotgenocide. AndIhave<br />

great doubts that this position has changed,<br />

butIwouldbeveryhappyifithas.Moreover,<br />

Israel is under the great influence of Russia<br />

which will not allow them to recognize the<br />

Holodomor as genocide.<br />

“The fact that the Knesset still has not<br />

recognized the Holodomor as genocide is<br />

due to them having such an ideology of concentrating<br />

on their people’s particular issues.<br />

An Israeli foreign minister explained<br />

once that their state was a regional rather<br />

than a global power, therefore they were<br />

only concerned with Jewish problems. For<br />

example, according to him, if Jews are oppressed<br />

somewhere, Israel will fight this,<br />

provide help, but it will try not to interfere<br />

otherwise. In addition, there are many<br />

delicate moments interwoven here, like the<br />

fact that there were many Jews serving in<br />

the NKVD who played their part in the<br />

Holodomor policy.<br />

“During my time in Israel, I published<br />

an article on the Holodomor in a local<br />

newspaper, which listed many facts. This<br />

was, I think, the first publication on this<br />

topic. I found materials about the famine’s<br />

impact in Jewish districts of Ukraine. Interestingly,<br />

Jews suffered from the<br />

Holodomor as well. But of course, one<br />

publication was unlikely to solve anything,<br />

although it was welcomed quite<br />

warmly in Israel.”<br />

Why is it so important to us that the<br />

Israeli government recognize the<br />

Holodomor as genocide, after all, and<br />

why has this issue been delayed for so<br />

long?<br />

“We have a very positive attitude towards<br />

the Jewish state, towards Israel. We<br />

feel great sympathy for the suffering and<br />

tragedy of the Jewish people. And that is<br />

the right thing to do. There are many<br />

similarities in the fates of the Ukrainian<br />

and Jewish peoples and our two states. The<br />

Jewish state emerged despite the enormous<br />

resistance of the Arab countries in the Middle<br />

East and has asserted itself through unceasing<br />

wars. There are certain analogies<br />

in our historical fates. Therefore, it would<br />

be important for us to see them feeling<br />

Ukrainian pain as well. Moreover, grandfathers<br />

and great-grandfathers of a large<br />

number of living Ukrainian Israelis saw the<br />

Holodomor, and also suffered to a certain<br />

extent. Although, since most Jews lived in<br />

cities, they were less affected by it.<br />

“Of course, we have every right to expect<br />

that they will not be indifferent to the<br />

suffering of the Ukrainian people, which<br />

their fathers and grandfathers also experienced,<br />

and at least will be able to express<br />

their compassion.”<br />

What steps should Ukraine and our<br />

embassy in Israel take in order to change<br />

the Israeli public opinion on this issue?<br />

“The embassy is not the only institution<br />

with a role here. I am convinced and<br />

aware that our embassy is conducting appropriate<br />

outreach and advocacy work<br />

and trying to influence decisions of the<br />

Knesset. But I think that we need to pay<br />

more attention to the problems that exist<br />

Expert: “There are many similarities<br />

in the fates of the Ukrainian and<br />

Jewish peoples and our two states”<br />

between us, to expand our cooperation.<br />

Still, Israel depends heavily on Russia, on<br />

its decisions to supply or not modern<br />

weapons to hostile regimes, in particular,<br />

Iran and Hamas, which have set themselves<br />

the goal of destroying Israel. Therefore,<br />

they are forced to approach Vladimir Putin<br />

as supplicants and ask him not to take some<br />

steps, and Russia responds, as it has done<br />

everywhere and with everyone, with its<br />

characteristic haughty imperialist behavior.<br />

On the one hand, sometimes it promises<br />

something, and on the other hand, if<br />

modern systems, especially very effective<br />

anti-aircraft missile systems are delivered,<br />

Israel will not be able to respond adequately<br />

to terrorist attacks. After all, it<br />

has to deal with constant barrages of primitive<br />

homemade rockets hitting its territory.<br />

Therefore, this is a very serious matter.<br />

The role of Russia is enormous in the<br />

region since it has taken upon itself to act<br />

on the side of the Shiite Muslim countries<br />

and has been engaged in hostilities in Syria,<br />

which has caused enormous rage among<br />

other Muslims. But that mess of contradictions,<br />

hatred and blood, which Syria is<br />

now, is also an intersection of interests of<br />

Russia, Israel, and Turkey. We must understand<br />

that they are heavily dependent<br />

on Russia’s behavior.<br />

“I think the time is on our side as we<br />

are working to have Israel recognize the<br />

Holodomor as genocide. I am confident of<br />

this, but I have great doubts about it happening<br />

right now. But history is such a<br />

mole that slowly digs its burrows, in the<br />

end the truth comes to surface.”<br />

● “WE NEED TO PREPARE<br />

PUBLIC OPINION”<br />

Josef ZISSELS, a Soviet-era dissident,<br />

co-chairman of the Association of<br />

Jewish Organizations and<br />

Communities of Ukraine:<br />

“I am very glad that this bill has been<br />

introduced. But it seems to me that it has<br />

come too early, because we need to prepare<br />

public opinion, to publicize this story<br />

through the Israeli press. I do not know if<br />

Photo by Ruslan KANIUKA, The Day<br />

Will Israel recognize the<br />

Holodomor as genocide?<br />

the embassy is doing enough to introduce<br />

the Israeli society to the Holodomor problem.<br />

I think they would be able to perceive<br />

it if they saw it explained correctly and in<br />

a measured manner in various languages:<br />

English, Russian, Hebrew.<br />

“The odds of the bill passing are low at<br />

the moment. It can be ‘killed’ as early as the<br />

committee stage, although I will be glad if<br />

it passes anyway.<br />

“But the main thing is to inform the Israeli<br />

population about what the Holodomor<br />

was. This requires a systematic effort<br />

which our friends in Israel also have to join.<br />

There is a large community called Israel<br />

Supports Ukraine there that arose during<br />

the Maidan, and there are people in the<br />

Knesset who are sympathetic to us, but that<br />

is not enough. We need a high level of activity<br />

in Hebrew-language media, on the Internet,<br />

on TV. After that, the prepared audience<br />

would take well to this law.”<br />

Why has Israel still not recognized<br />

the Holodomor as genocide?<br />

“Only 24 out of 200 countries have recognized<br />

the Holodomor as a genocide. Israel<br />

has its own headache, I mean the<br />

Holocaust. It is very difficult to overcome<br />

the barrier when you have always existed<br />

in your tragedy and cultivated the<br />

memory of it, to overcome it and feel compassion<br />

for another people. But this is<br />

possible. We have seen it in other countries,<br />

but those countries did not experience the<br />

Holocaust. This is a process that has started<br />

and, I think, will reach its logical conclusion,<br />

but it will not be soon.”<br />

P.S. Den/The Day’s editor-in-chief<br />

Larysa Ivshyna wrote on Facebook: “If the<br />

Knesset will be able to recognize the<br />

Holodomor as genocide, Ukraine will have<br />

to recognize Israel as a strategic partner.”<br />

If the Knesset will still miss the opportunity<br />

and fail to pass the law on the<br />

recognition of the Holodomor as genocide<br />

of the Ukrainian people in the near future,<br />

we will hope that the next generation of<br />

politicians will be able to not just put this<br />

issue on the agenda, but also implement it.


WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />

DAY AFTER DAY No.9 FEBRUARY 13, 2018 3<br />

By Ivan ANTYPENKO, The Day, Kherson<br />

Borys Babin has been in office since<br />

August 17 last year. Ukraine’s<br />

President Petro Poroshenko<br />

appointed a new representative in<br />

the Autonomous Republic of<br />

Crimea after activists had expressed<br />

dissatisfaction with the previous one –<br />

Natalia Popovych. It will be recalled that<br />

Crimean Tatar activists protested against<br />

Popovych in July last year near the<br />

Representation of the President of Ukraine<br />

in Crimea. Members of the Asker civic<br />

formation, former Aidar fighters, and<br />

other people in military uniform were<br />

saying that Popovych did not receive<br />

people in her office or care about migrants<br />

from Crimea, and they knew very little<br />

about the work of this governmental body.<br />

The conflict lasted for about a month.<br />

Izet Gdanov, a participant in the July<br />

protest and the public blockade of<br />

Crimea in 2015, became the first deputy of<br />

the newly-appointed representative. He is<br />

called a creature of Lenur Isliamov, a<br />

Crimean Tatar political figure, the mastermind<br />

of the public blockade of Crimea<br />

in 2015, and an initiator of protests against<br />

Natalia Popovych.<br />

Borys BABIN is an international and<br />

maritime law expert, an academic. After<br />

his appointment, the Representation became<br />

a more frequent subject of discussions.<br />

Babin often speaks publicly about<br />

Crimean problems, such as illegal transportations,<br />

the performance of customs<br />

services at check points, the establishment<br />

of “service provision centers” in the<br />

borderline areas of Kherson oblast, etc. The<br />

Day met Babin to talk about the Representation’s<br />

role in tackling legal, security,<br />

economic, social, and other problems<br />

Ukraine is facing as a result of Russia’s aggression.<br />

● DEOCCUPATION<br />

Mr. Babin, is there a strategy of returning<br />

Crimea? Who works it out?<br />

“The occupation of Crimea and the<br />

Donbas is an element of the interstate<br />

conflict. The strategy of deoccupation can<br />

only be a component in solving the overall<br />

problem – ending the war with Ukraine’s<br />

victory, not defeat.”<br />

In other words, first a victory in the<br />

Donbas war and only then the strategy of<br />

deoccupation?<br />

“The Donbas and Crimea are not separate<br />

conflicts. They shoot over there,<br />

but not here. But still it is one conflict. We<br />

must have a single – diplomatic, security,<br />

and military – front of resistance. I don’t<br />

know what we will liberate earlier – Crimea<br />

or the Donbas. The world is changing fast.<br />

Yet we must map out a general strategy of<br />

resisting the aggressor. I am sure that these<br />

documents exist, but they cannot be publicized.”<br />

What is the role of the Representation<br />

in this process?<br />

“We know that Crimea will be deoccupied.<br />

But we cannot say in detail and publicly<br />

how this will be done. Yet we can say<br />

what is to be done here and now to resist the<br />

Russian aggression that is unfolding in the<br />

public plane. Let’s call it Plan of Urgent Actions.<br />

We have almost finished drawing up<br />

this document.”<br />

What is there in it?<br />

“It is about international relations, the<br />

policy of law, public administration, transport,<br />

trade, finances, the environment, education,<br />

etc. We have a lot of bodies that<br />

deal with Crimea: the police, the Security<br />

Service, the Ministry for Temporary Occupied<br />

Territories, the Ministry of Defense,<br />

and other ministries. The question is<br />

whether we should have this plan approved<br />

at the National Security and Defense<br />

Council level or a separate law. But<br />

it is difficult, for some things must be done<br />

now. We think we will be fulfilling this<br />

plan within the limits of the Representation’s<br />

authority. It will result in projects,<br />

proposals, and actions. But the plan should<br />

at first be scrutinized by a high-level task<br />

force composed of prominent Ukrainian academics,<br />

deputy ministers, and other officials.<br />

It will take just a few weeks. Then<br />

we will make this plan public and work on<br />

it in the next two years. Unfortunately, I<br />

can’t say there will be deoccupation in 2018<br />

or, frankly speaking, even in 2019.”<br />

“The Donbas and Crimea are<br />

not separate conflicts”<br />

The President’s Representative in Crimea, Borys<br />

BABIN, on how to resist Russian aggression<br />

Does this plan set out any indicators<br />

of effectiveness?<br />

“Of course, in each of the steps, even<br />

if it is a matter beyond our competence.<br />

Then we will be reporting on progress in<br />

the fulfillment of this plan so that society<br />

can see why I am paid a salary off your<br />

taxes.<br />

“The next thing we are going to work<br />

on in 2018 is the strategy of Crimea’s<br />

reintegration. We must work out a plan of<br />

actions from the ‘zero hour,’ when we<br />

will begin to enter Crimea, until the moment<br />

we say: Crimea is fully integrated into<br />

the legal, economic, cultural, and security<br />

fields of Ukraine. Will the invader be<br />

withdrawing from Crimea smoothly and<br />

honestly? No. Will we run any risks after<br />

the deoccupation? Yes. That’s why we<br />

must think it over right now.”<br />

● HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE<br />

In what way are you monitoring human<br />

rights abuse in Crimea? What is the<br />

current situation?<br />

“Seventy percent of the information<br />

about human rights abuse situation in<br />

Crimea is openly accessible. Russia is simulating<br />

its own legal system in Crimea and,<br />

therefore, cannot brazenly hide its activities,<br />

as it does in the Donbas. Our analytical<br />

section monitors the so-called administrative<br />

bodies, courts, and the mass media.<br />

About 1,500 people have turned to us<br />

in four months. It is a huge array of information<br />

about human rights abuse. We<br />

also cooperate with human rights advocates<br />

and the government bodies that furnish information.<br />

As for the situation as a whole,<br />

there are two dimensions. Firstly, Russia<br />

is brazenly destroying the people’s political<br />

freedoms. This includes Russification,<br />

ban of the Crimean Tatar people’s bodies of<br />

self-organization, and persecution of activists,<br />

patriots of Ukraine, under the<br />

guise of combating extremism. Secondly,<br />

it is a mass-scale violation of socioeconomic<br />

rights, such as to housing, work, education,<br />

pension, etc. This applies to the whole<br />

population of Crimea. We include the results<br />

of our monitoring in reports to the<br />

Presidential Administration and the UN<br />

and OSCE monitoring missions.”<br />

As for the disappeared activists in<br />

Crimea, there are nongovernmental organizations<br />

that inquire into these cases.<br />

Do you cooperate with them?<br />

“It is a very delicate matter. Unfortunately,<br />

there are entities that make political<br />

or material capital out of this subject.<br />

There were instances when we were going<br />

to help people, but once the so-called human<br />

rights champions came to know about<br />

this, things went awry. We are prepared to<br />

cooperate with any entity, but our condition<br />

is that cooperation should really help<br />

the people who are detained or missing in<br />

Crimea, or their relatives. We are not<br />

hyping ourselves up. As for the disappeared<br />

persons, I advise their relatives to turn to<br />

the Representation so that we closely look<br />

into every case.”<br />

What are you doing concretely for<br />

these people?<br />

“I cannot give names. For example,<br />

there is a family in Crimea. The father was<br />

kidnapped or is behind bars. The mother is<br />

left with children who need to receive<br />

Ukrainian documents, go to the mainland,<br />

and come back. It is very difficult to<br />

do if there is only one of the parents. And<br />

we resolve this kind of problems. Another<br />

example: there is a well-known person<br />

who died in Crimea. There are his relatives<br />

in mainland Ukraine. A lot activist visited<br />

them. I asked them later if all these hypeup<br />

entities helped them, say, to file a lawsuit<br />

to an international court. The answer<br />

was ‘No.’”<br />

● INTERNATIONAL COURTS<br />

Let’s take Ukraine’s lawsuits against<br />

Russia over violations of international<br />

law. How many of them are there, who<br />

deals with them, and at what stage of examination<br />

are they now?<br />

“Various entities are responsible for<br />

this. The first is the Ministry of Justice<br />

which deals with suits to the European<br />

Court of Human Rights. There are several<br />

suits, of which two touch upon Crimea.<br />

I can’t forecast how long it will all take, but,<br />

surely, at least a few years. This ruling in<br />

this case will include a lot of documented<br />

human rights violations in Crimea on the<br />

part of Russia. The Foreign Ministry of<br />

Ukraine is also monitoring many cases, including<br />

some at the International Court of<br />

Justice on the basis of two conventions –<br />

for the suppression of the financing of terrorism<br />

and on the elimination of all forms<br />

of racial discrimination. The Crimean<br />

question is raised in the second part. It is<br />

in this part that the court ruled in 2017 to<br />

lift the ban on the Crimean Tatar people’s<br />

bodies of self-organization. This case has<br />

a lot of risks and is expected to last several<br />

years. Russia will be doing its utmost to<br />

have this case dropped. An arbitration<br />

court also begins to examine Russia’s violations<br />

of the Convention on the Law of<br />

the Sea – about the rights of Ukraine to the<br />

continental shelf and the economic zone<br />

around Crimea, restrictions on the freedom<br />

of shipping, and pollution of the Black Sea.<br />

The communication is going on, but it is<br />

confidential. One more case is being dealt<br />

with by the International Criminal Court –<br />

it directly concerns the Russian aggression.<br />

The Prosecutor General’s Office is responsible<br />

for this. From the juridical angle,<br />

this situation is at the initial stage in<br />

comparison with other lawsuits.<br />

“Besides, there are cases initiated by<br />

Ukrainian natural persons and legal entities<br />

– for example, the investment dispute<br />

of the national joint-stock company Naftohaz<br />

Ukrainy about the impossibility of using<br />

their property. These processes go<br />

fast. But here Russia evades participation.<br />

As for suits of natural persons to then ECtHR,<br />

this court says that only a few hundred<br />

people have filed complaints against<br />

the aggressor. More people have sued Russia<br />

and Ukraine at the same time. And still<br />

more people are suing Ukraine only. It is,<br />

above all, residents of the Donbas.”<br />

A number of resolutions of international<br />

organizations (UN, Council of Europe,<br />

NATO) condemn Russia’s aggression<br />

in Ukraine. Russia in fact ignores these<br />

statements. To what extent effective are<br />

these resolutions?<br />

“From the viewpoint of international<br />

law, these documents are very important.<br />

But still more important will be the binding<br />

rulings of courts. Firstly, the acts of international<br />

organizations are taken into account<br />

in the abovementioned judicial decisions.<br />

Secondly, they constitute the<br />

grounds for imposing sanctions against the<br />

aggressor.”<br />

The Russian president said recently<br />

that they are prepared to return the<br />

Ukrainian warships they had seized in<br />

Crimea. What do you think of this?<br />

“Word has it that the Russians are<br />

preparing a ‘heavenly nook’ for their powers<br />

that be in Balaclava. So it is necessary<br />

to move Russian ships from this bay to Sevastopol.<br />

But there are the captured ships<br />

of the Ukrainian Navy there. On the one<br />

hand, they want to solve their questions of<br />

self-interest about Balaclava, but, on the<br />

other hand, if we agree, they will say: look,<br />

we maintain good relations with Ukrainians,<br />

we are tackling the problem of Crimea,<br />

and they are taking back their junk. They<br />

expect us to swallow the bait, for it costs<br />

a pretty penny to recycle some equipment<br />

on the mainland.<br />

“Undoubtedly, Ukraine must increase<br />

its military presence in the Black Sea.<br />

However, what really matters here is people,<br />

not hardware. Unfortunately, 2014<br />

showed the true level of the will to resist on<br />

the part of some Ukrainian servicemen,<br />

particularly the naval personnel. We are<br />

sure not to return Crimea with the help of<br />

those who surrendered Crimea and bargained<br />

over a trouble-free removal of property<br />

from the officers’ apartments.”<br />

Are you accusing these people of surrendering<br />

Crimea?<br />

“I am not putting the blame on them,<br />

but I want to see an investigation and a trial.<br />

I am only stating a well-known fact. How<br />

many Ukrainian servicemen left Crimea,<br />

how many remained behind, how many of<br />

those who left offered resistance? The<br />

figures are very different.”<br />

What is Crimea today in military<br />

terms?<br />

“The peninsula is becoming a beachhead<br />

of Russia’s further aggression. Obviously,<br />

the presence of Russia in Syria and<br />

its plans about the Mediterranean region<br />

would be impossible without presence in<br />

Crimea. Therefore, let me say it gain, only<br />

a victory of civilized nations in the undeclared<br />

war with Russia can resolve the<br />

Crimean question. Militarily, Russia obviously<br />

poses a threat to Ukraine from<br />

Crimea. There can be nuclear weapons on<br />

the peninsula because the necessary capacities<br />

are available.”<br />

● THE CRIMEAN TATAR<br />

QUESTION<br />

What is your attitude to the Crimean<br />

Tatar autonomy?<br />

“This topic is politicized very much. In<br />

1991, the Supreme Council of what was still<br />

Soviet Ukraine restored the Crimean Autonomous<br />

Soviet Socialist Republic. I<br />

stress: restored. In other words, this envisioned<br />

autonomy for Crimea’s indigenous<br />

peoples. From 1992 until 2014 Ukraine had<br />

to make endless concessions to Russia<br />

about Crimea and autonomy.<br />

“The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine recognizes<br />

the UN declaration on indigenous<br />

peoples. Today, we are to let the Crimean<br />

Tatar people exercise their right to self-determination<br />

within the limits of Ukraine.<br />

How? There are several ways. The first is<br />

to introduce amendments to the Constitution.<br />

A task force is working on changes to<br />

Article 10 of the Constitution (Autonomous<br />

Republic of Crimea). The second<br />

is connected with disapproving he law on<br />

indigenous peoples. But the registered<br />

drafts of this law suggest controversial conclusions.<br />

My position is that there should<br />

be autonomy.”<br />

There is an idea of holding the Comprehensive<br />

Testing of Applicants in Kherson<br />

oblast. What is your attitude to this?<br />

“Territorially, the autonomy already<br />

exists – it is the Autonomous Republic of<br />

Crimea. In my view, we in mainland<br />

Ukraine can only speak of the state’s overall<br />

duty to preserve the cultural, economic,<br />

and social rights of indigenous peoples.”<br />

Would it be a good idea to assign<br />

quotas in administrative bodies for Mejlis<br />

members?<br />

“Quotas in the executive bodies of<br />

government on the basis of ethnicity contravene<br />

the law of Ukraine. It is absurd. We<br />

have representative bodies, where this<br />

can be discussed in theory – for example,<br />

elections to the Ukrainian parliament and<br />

local councils coupled with the formation<br />

of ethnic constituencies. Quotas for political<br />

offices? It’s possible. But the Mejlis is<br />

a special case. Anyway, this should be applied<br />

to the bodies that will function in<br />

Crimea after deoccupation.”<br />

What is the Representation doing to<br />

protect the cultural and educational rights<br />

of Crimean Tatars?<br />

“We are not dispensers of budgetary<br />

funds. Unfortunately, we don’t have a law<br />

on indigenous people. For this reason,<br />

funding is only possible through the program<br />

of protecting the deported. These<br />

funds are used, for example, to finance the<br />

ATR TV channel. In general, it is the domain<br />

of the Ministry of Social Policies. On our<br />

part, we stay in touch with all executive and<br />

local government bodies. We care about a<br />

Crimean Tatar language school in Novooleksiivka,<br />

Henichesk raion. We lobbied technical<br />

assistance and demanded that the local<br />

authorities resolve the heating problem.<br />

We are in contact with all the local Mejlises<br />

and ready to support projects, particularly<br />

those of international organizations.”<br />

● CRIMEAN TITAN<br />

Why and how does the Crimean Titan<br />

plant work? Where does it take the raw<br />

material (ilmenite) and electric power?<br />

“The plant really works. Some reports<br />

say that raw materials are delivered from<br />

Ukraine and other countries. It is a serious<br />

problem,andweareraisingitbeforethelawenforcement<br />

bodies. As for electric power<br />

supply, this fact has not been proven for a<br />

simplereason–thepowergridsoperatorsays<br />

this does not occur. It is impossible to prove<br />

the opposite unless you control the grids.<br />

Andtheregionalpowersupplycompanysues<br />

those who say that electricity is being furnished.<br />

I am not so rich and will not make<br />

this kind of statements. But I want law-enforcerstodosomething.Icanassureyouthat<br />

his activity will be put an end to. Titan’s<br />

products are used in the aggressor’s military<br />

industry.Weaponsarebeingmadeunderour<br />

nose perhaps to destroy us. Besides, this poses<br />

an environmental problem – the pollution<br />

of Sivash and air. Incidentally, let us say the<br />

truth: this also existed before the war.”<br />

● ILLEGAL TRANSPORTATIONS<br />

You have repeatedly said in the media<br />

about illegal transportations in<br />

Crimea. What’s the crux of the matter?<br />

“The main problem is that checkpoints<br />

to Crimea have no legal transport communication<br />

today. Motor transport is divided<br />

there into three groups. The first is former<br />

interregional buses that used to run before<br />

the war. They ride up to the checkpoint, passengers<br />

cross the administrative border,<br />

while the ‘twin’ of this bus is waiting on the<br />

other side. And our gallant Transport Safety<br />

Service is trying to say that this is lawful.<br />

Tickets to Kerch are not sold in mainland<br />

Ukraine, and there is no such stop as<br />

checkpoint. The second group is totally illegal<br />

taxi minibuses which pick up people<br />

at the checkpoint and carry them further<br />

on. The friends Franklin, Grant, and Jackson<br />

[portraits of US presidents on dollar<br />

bills. – Ed.] help solve all problems with the<br />

Transport Safety Service, the local authorities,<br />

and the police. The third group is<br />

taxi drivers. It is the only category that can<br />

carry people through the checkpoint without<br />

changing. Taxi drivers can cross the line<br />

with the Russian side’s permission. This<br />

strong corrupt chain also comprises our officials<br />

who oversee transport. All this occurs<br />

under the surveillance of Russian<br />

special services. Everybody smiles because<br />

everybody cashes in. We will not put up<br />

with this. Incidentally, we are raising the<br />

question of deploying National Guard units<br />

in Henichesk raion. We must admit that the<br />

state has lost control of this district to some<br />

extent. It is a big headache for the local executive<br />

authorities.”<br />

What is the way out of the situation?<br />

“We want to extend the railway communication<br />

as far as ‘Vadym’ station so<br />

that passengers can almost reach the checkpoint.<br />

We are trying to see to it that bus<br />

routes should be at last opened on a competitive<br />

basis. At the moment, it is enough<br />

to make a stop near the checkpoint, put up<br />

a ticket-selling booth – and it will be a legal<br />

route station. It is the Kherson Oblast<br />

Administration that should invite bids<br />

because it is interregional communication.<br />

I don’t know why this hasn’t been<br />

done in all these years. Raion administrations<br />

are not raising this question either.<br />

We wrote letters to the oblast administration,<br />

convened conferences, and informed<br />

the Transport Safety Service about<br />

illegal carriers. They are essentially turning<br />

a deaf ear to us. You know, it is easy to<br />

‘clip coupons’ while it is illegal. But when<br />

it becomes legal, everybody will be paying<br />

taxes and nobody will be cheating.”


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No.9 FEBRUARY 13, 2018<br />

TOPIC OF THE DAY<br />

WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />

By Mykola SIRUK<br />

Britain is in the process of leaving the EU,<br />

but this does not mean that the UK will<br />

pay less attention to Ukraine, which it<br />

has traditionally supported on the path<br />

of Euro-Atlantic integration. This was<br />

made clear by British Ambassador Judith Gough<br />

in her second interview for Den/The Day during<br />

her tenure as head of the diplomatic mission in<br />

Kyiv. Moreover, at the end of the conversation,<br />

the ambassador, who tweets in Ukrainian,<br />

assured that the next interview would be given<br />

not in English, but in Ukrainian.<br />

● “THE RESPONSIBILITY<br />

FOR RESOLVING THIS SITUATION<br />

LIES WITH RUSSIA”<br />

Ambassador Judith GOUGH: “Ukraine continues<br />

to remain a priority for us and we continue to support<br />

Ukraine and remain in solidarity with Ukraine”<br />

Ambassador, you recently participated in<br />

launching the Learn and Discern initiative and you<br />

said there that “Ukraine is setting an example for<br />

the rest of the world, and in particular for my country.”<br />

Can you elaborate what you meant?<br />

“I think with Ukraine engaged in a very difficult<br />

hybrid conflict with Russia, it is clear that information<br />

has been and will continue to be<br />

weaponized. And what we see in Ukraine is that<br />

your leaders and ministers have a very clear understanding<br />

of this. And I think your education<br />

minister has taken a very wise decision, which is to<br />

ensure that the education curriculum contains an<br />

element of media literacy and critical thinking. I<br />

think this is very important, something we will also<br />

look at. Because we now have so many different<br />

sources of information, but we have not necessaring<br />

is that there is somehow some blame to be put<br />

on the international community, the fact is, Russia<br />

needs to take steps that deliver on security. And<br />

we continue to encourage Russia to do so – the sanctions<br />

remain, we continue to push for progress on<br />

Ukraine. Ukraine is one of the issues in our relationships<br />

upon which we very strongly disagree with<br />

Russia.”<br />

● “THE UKRAINIAN SIDE IS NOT<br />

ACTUALLY ASKING US FOR THESE<br />

SORTS OF WEAPONS”<br />

Perhaps another way of supporting Ukraine<br />

could be for Britain to supply lethal weapons. What<br />

will you say about this?<br />

“We have no plans to do so at the moment. Firstly,<br />

the Ukrainian side is not actually asking us for<br />

these sorts of weapons. Secondly, we have already<br />

done a lot to assist Ukraine in terms of increasing<br />

its capability to defend itself. We have now trained<br />

seven thousand Ukrainian troops, we still have our<br />

military operation Op Orbital actively engaged in<br />

Ukraine, providing training through our forces.<br />

“The feedback that we have from your ministers<br />

of the armed forces is that this training is useful.<br />

For example, that medical training that we have<br />

provided has saved lives on the battlefield: where<br />

previously your soldiers would die, some of the techniques<br />

that we have shown them have prevented<br />

that loss of life on the battlefield. But I think it is<br />

really important to note that the assistance is<br />

there, and we continue to provide it.”<br />

● “BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM HAS ITS<br />

LIMITATIONS, AND I COMPLETELY<br />

UNDERSTAND UKRAINIAN<br />

FRUSTRATIONS”<br />

As is known, the Budapest Memorandum was<br />

signed by four gentlemen, heads of four states,<br />

including British Prime Minister John Major.<br />

And now it is called a mere piece of paper, why<br />

has it happened?<br />

“You ask me this question every time!<br />

(Laughs.) Well, Ukraine, the United Kingdom,<br />

and the United States have not broken their ob-<br />

Photo by Ruslan KANIUKA, The Day<br />

On the role of the monarchy, Minsk II,<br />

and the Budapest Memorandum<br />

ligations such as they are in that memorandum.<br />

The one country that has broken its obligations under<br />

that memorandum, and indeed, a number of<br />

other international legal obligations, is Russia.<br />

“Now, if we go back to that piece of paper,<br />

what it says is that in the event that a party breaks<br />

its obligations that the parties will convene to talk<br />

about it. Now, we tried that in March 2014 in<br />

Paris, I was there with our foreign minister Lord<br />

Hague, John Kerry was there, and your foreign<br />

minister Mr. Deshchytsia was also there.<br />

Mr. Lavrov was in Paris at the time but he did not<br />

turn up.<br />

“So, the Budapest Memorandum has its limitations,<br />

and I completely understand Ukrainian<br />

frustrations, but I think the key point is not that<br />

the United Kingdom or the United States have failed<br />

to live up to the obligations under that memorandum;<br />

the fact is that it’s Russia who has done so.<br />

If you look at the support that both the United Kingdom<br />

and the United States have provided since<br />

2014, I think it shows that these two countries are<br />

very, very committed to the territorial integrity and<br />

the sovereignty of Ukraine. We have shown that by<br />

not just our military aid, if not lethal assistance,<br />

but by our political support for Ukraine.”<br />

Don’t you think that the West, meaning Europe<br />

and the US, cannot currently cope with Russia,<br />

which is becoming an increasingly revisionist<br />

country, due to a lack of political leadership?<br />

We know an example of the opposite, when<br />

Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan stopped<br />

an “evil empire” and even broke it in their time,<br />

but today it is restored again.<br />

“I disagree with two parts of your question.<br />

The first thing, the Soviet Union did not fall because<br />

of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan,<br />

it fell because the economic model was totally broken,<br />

and because Soviet republics, such as<br />

Ukraine, wanted to go their separate ways. Obviously,<br />

there were moments in history where certain<br />

people were able to ensure that transition was<br />

actually a peaceful transition. But I would not<br />

characterize it as those two people bringing down<br />

an empire.<br />

“I don’t like the term ‘evil empire,’ because I<br />

think it wrongly demonizes a nation. We have is-<br />

Ukraine’s biggest issue at the moment is<br />

bringing Russian aggression in the east to an end<br />

and returning the occupied territories under<br />

Ukrainian control. There are many suggestions and<br />

plans to that end, including the deployment of a<br />

peacekeeping mission in the Donbas. However,<br />

there is still no progress, despite the active involvement<br />

of the US since last year, including that<br />

of Special Representative Kurt Volker, who held<br />

a series of talks with his Russian counterpart<br />

Vladislav Surkov. In your opinion, what should be<br />

done to force Russia to comply with the Minsk<br />

Agreements’ terms and leave Ukraine?<br />

“If you think why we have sanctions in place –<br />

we have a very clear and principled position on<br />

Ukraine and on Russia, and certainly from the United<br />

Kingdom’s perspective, I think that’s also<br />

shared by the European Union, I think we should<br />

take heart from the fact that the sanctions have actually<br />

remained in place for such a long period of<br />

time. But I think we have to be very clear that the<br />

responsibility for resolving this lies with Russia,<br />

and I think it is very hard to see any progress until<br />

Russia ensures that there is a ceasefire which is<br />

sustainable and that heavy weapons are pulled back.<br />

So really, I think the onus remains on Russia. I suspect<br />

that we will see very little progress this side of<br />

the Russian presidential elections, but maybe past<br />

that, we may see some further progress, but it all<br />

depends on Russia.”<br />

Then it may be necessary to stop coaxing Russia<br />

and start imposing harsher sanctions instead.<br />

Can we expect such steps from the United Kingdom?<br />

“There is already a set of sanctions there, it is<br />

international position. But what you are suggestsues<br />

with Russia’s leadership and the decisions<br />

taken by Russia’s leadership, the biggest of them<br />

being the annexation of Crimea and events in the<br />

Donbas, but we want to have a good relationship<br />

with Russia.<br />

“We are not Russophobic, we do not have a<br />

policy which is defined on rejecting Russia or<br />

Russian people. For example, what we saw on December<br />

22, our foreign secretary Boris Johnson,<br />

who has been to Ukraine twice already, made a trip<br />

to Moscow, because it’s important that we continue<br />

to engage and talk to Russia. There are areas<br />

such as Ukraine where we strongly disagree,<br />

we have made very, very clear these points, but<br />

there areas where, both of us being members of the<br />

UN Security Council, permanent members, we<br />

have to discuss, we need a relationship. We want<br />

to see Russia as a successful, responsible member<br />

of the international community. What we do<br />

not want is a Russia that challenges the international<br />

order and illegally interferes within internal<br />

affairs of its neighbors. We want to see a responsible<br />

Russia that is a net contributor to<br />

global security. But what we cannot ignore is what<br />

Russia has done and continues to do with Ukraine,<br />

and that is why we remain very, very committed<br />

to supporting Ukraine.”<br />

● “WE – AND OUR PARTNERS DO TOO –<br />

NEED TO DO EVEN MORE TO<br />

COUNTER DISINFORMATION”<br />

Ambassador, Prime Minister Theresa May said<br />

recently that Russia was “seeking to weaponize information.<br />

Deploying its state-run media organizations<br />

to plant fake stories and photo-shopped images<br />

in an attempt to sow discord in the West and<br />

undermine our institutions. We know what you are<br />

doing.” Was not your nation much too slow to reach<br />

this conclusion?<br />

“We have always been alert to the threats that<br />

our country faces. We are a country that has very<br />

effective military, very effective intelligence services,<br />

and a high degree of awareness of the threats.<br />

I think what you are referring to is a recent acknowledgement<br />

that we have to build on our existing<br />

capabilities to understand and counter even<br />

more issues of disinformation. This is nothing new<br />

for us, it’s not like we have suddenly woken up to<br />

the threat. We have been working with Ukrainian<br />

colleagues here and understand only too well – the<br />

issue is that Ukraine is at the forefront of all of this<br />

in so many ways. But we understand that we – and<br />

I think our partners do too – need to do even more<br />

to counter disinformation in an age when people are<br />

but one finger away from all sorts of stories on their<br />

personal devices that can inform and misinform.”<br />

Yesterday [the interview was recorded on February<br />

7], The Guardian published an article in<br />

which Theresa May made the statement that the<br />

decline of local journalism was dangerous for<br />

democracy, so the state had to react in some way<br />

to such a situation. In your opinion, is it the right<br />

decision for the government to take measures to<br />

keep the local press afloat?<br />

“I think there is a challenge that a lot of local<br />

newspapers face and social media rise to the heart<br />

of this. We have seen an awful lot of our local newspapers<br />

go out of business, because that local model<br />

is no longer profitable. Why do you need to go to<br />

your local newspaper, when you can for example<br />

have a local social media group that reports on local<br />

issues, citizen journalism.<br />

“My suspicion is that there is an acknowledgement<br />

that local journalism, its model is threatened.<br />

But people want to ensure that we have<br />

quality, independent, reliable journalism which is<br />

really important for democracy in the United<br />

Kingdom and for democracy in Ukraine – to have<br />

these good, quality, professional journalists who are<br />

ready to report independently, and to hold governments,<br />

civil servants, people like myself to account.”<br />

● ON LEARN AND DISCERN INITIATIVE,<br />

MEDIA LITERACY, AND CRITICAL<br />

THINKING


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ily equipped people with means by which they can<br />

interrogate that information and understand<br />

whether that is believable, where is a reliable<br />

source, whether it’s disinformation, whether it’s<br />

true or not true. So, this is a pilot project in<br />

50 schools in Ukraine, but I think this is really important<br />

that we all learn from Ukrainian experience.”<br />

● “DEFINING AN EVENT AS GENOCIDE<br />

IS A DECISION FOR THE COURTS”<br />

Recently, it has become known that the Israeli<br />

parliament, the Knesset, is about to recognize the<br />

Holodomor as a genocide of the Ukrainian people.<br />

And when is the parliament of your country going<br />

to make such a step?<br />

“I can refer you back to recent discussions and<br />

debates in our House of Commons, and that’s all<br />

available on the public record. But I think the answer<br />

is very simple: we do not believe that defining<br />

an event as genocide is a decision for governments.<br />

This is a decision for the courts, because it<br />

is a point of law. There is a legal definition which<br />

has defined it in international law. So, we believe<br />

that is a judgment that is best made by the courts,<br />

and we will allow the courts to make that judgment<br />

themselves. But of course, we are very, very clear<br />

that Holodomor was a terrific tragedy which killed<br />

millions of Ukrainians, and it was a manmade<br />

tragedy in which large majority of those who suffered<br />

were Ukrainians. We are not seeking to<br />

downgrade what happened at all. But it is a part of<br />

our principles: on any event of this type we defer<br />

to the courts.”<br />

In this country, a court recognized the<br />

Holodomor as genocide of the Ukrainian people.<br />

Can it play a role, then, in your country recognizing<br />

the Holodomor as genocide, as over two dozen<br />

countries have already done?<br />

“No, it would have to be a court with jurisdiction<br />

that would be relevant to the UK.”<br />

Does this mean that Ukraine should bring this<br />

issue for consideration before a British court?<br />

“It’s not for me to advise Ukrainians on what<br />

they should do. You asked me to explain government<br />

policy, our government policy is that we do<br />

not take a view, we leave that to court to take a<br />

view.”<br />

● “IT IS IMPORTANT TO GIVE<br />

CREDIBILITY TO THE FIGHT AGAINST<br />

CORRUPTION IN THIS COUNTRY”<br />

And now it is logical to turn to the issue of justice.<br />

A British newspaper recently reported that<br />

several British judges would work in a Kazakhstani<br />

court of appeals. On Monday, your colleague,<br />

EU Ambassador to Ukraine Hugues Mingarelli,<br />

told a party of the Euro-optimists: “You<br />

have the best team, ensure that you have an honest<br />

referee, and believe me, you will be unable to<br />

lose.” My question, then, is whether there is any<br />

possibility of British judges coming to sit on<br />

Ukrainian courts and perhaps taking part in the<br />

creation of an anti-corruption court, which Ukraine<br />

has made a commitment to create.<br />

“You would have to ask Ukrainian government<br />

leadership for that, because obviously, that would<br />

have to be their decision as to whether they want it –<br />

people from outside to come in and provide that kind<br />

of assistance. The Kazakh government has taken a<br />

very clear decision, it wants to borrow British legal<br />

system and they need the expertise to do that.<br />

“Obviously, if the government of Ukraine<br />

makes any subject question, we will answer it. The<br />

key thing for us is to support Ukraine and encourage<br />

Ukraine in reforming the judiciary.<br />

“When I talk to people, one of the biggest<br />

problems that is always quoted is a lack of faith<br />

and belief in the judiciary, and a lack of faith and<br />

belief that people would receive a prompt and fair<br />

trial. And that’s important for the Ukrainian<br />

electorate – belief in institutions. I think it’s also<br />

important for any investor who comes to<br />

Ukraine. When I talk to potential British investors,<br />

they are concerned that they will not<br />

have access to fair and independent justice. So<br />

that’s why we support judiciary reform, but obviously,<br />

it has to be a system and a solution that<br />

works for Ukraine.<br />

“The British legal system is very different, and<br />

we have been practicing it for 800 years. That may<br />

or may not work in Ukraine. The key thing is that<br />

Ukraine finds a solution that works in this environment,<br />

and the anti-corruption court is a priority,<br />

that’s a condition for IMF program, and something<br />

the EU is pushing for as well. It is important<br />

to give credibility to the fight against corruption<br />

in this country, but there should be a wider judicial<br />

reform as well.”<br />

Ambassador, as the local representative of the<br />

United Kingdom, you are a member of the G7 ambassadorial<br />

group. What does your country see as<br />

the priorities of this group?<br />

“The G7 ambassadors’ support group exists to<br />

support and encourage the Ukrainian reformer efforts.<br />

And occasionally, we think things are not going<br />

in the right direction, and when we think it’s<br />

helpful we point that out. I think I would direct you<br />

to the brand-new webpage and Twitter account of<br />

the Canadian presidency which is really very useful<br />

as it outlines five priorities for the work of the<br />

G7. They are actually the Ukrainian government’s<br />

priorities. So, what we have done, is focus very, very<br />

clearly on Prime Minister Hroisman’s reform action<br />

plan, translated that into a very clearly set of<br />

objectives.<br />

“And we will support that work. This is not the<br />

international community imposing something on<br />

Ukraine, this is the action plan that your government<br />

has decided and wants to implement. So, those<br />

are the priorities and objectives around economic<br />

growth, it’s around tackling corruption, strengthening<br />

the institutions. You will see on that website<br />

all these areas – human capital, energy reform, privatization.”<br />

● “WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE<br />

MAINTAIN A VERY STRONG<br />

BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP WITH<br />

UKRAINE”<br />

Ambassador, your country has started the second<br />

stage of negotiations with the EU on its exit<br />

from this economic community. I wanted to ask<br />

you, how can Brexit influence future relations between<br />

our countries – do we already need to prepare<br />

an FTA agreement between the United<br />

Kingdom and Ukraine?<br />

“There is negotiation ongoing between the<br />

United Kingdom and the 27 members of the EU.<br />

around world. I know some people have had issues,<br />

we have always worked to resolve them very<br />

quickly, I don’t think they are necessarily as bad<br />

as people suggest. Obviously, when you have a<br />

particularly high number of people who experience<br />

a problem, that gets magnified, but actually,<br />

refusal rates for Ukraine are not high, and<br />

where they occur, it is largely because people have<br />

not actually completed their forms properly, in<br />

line with the instructions. We are always looking<br />

at ways how we can improve the service, but for<br />

the moment, I do not see a change in the visa<br />

regime coming.”<br />

Ambassador, we know that you visited the<br />

east of Ukraine at the end of last year. Would you<br />

like to share your impressions of the situation in<br />

that region which is bordering the occupied territories?<br />

“I have now been there twice, and it’s important<br />

as an ambassador that you get outside the capital<br />

and travel, particularly in a country as large<br />

and diverse as Ukraine. But for me, it is important<br />

to go and see the impact of the projects and programs<br />

that we are running in the east, that’s what<br />

I was doing the last time I went there. And for me,<br />

what is quite heartening is to see how British assistance<br />

is actually helping on the ground, so I visited<br />

Halo Trust who are carrying out demining –<br />

not just carrying it out, but also training Ukrainians<br />

to be able to do it. Britain is the largest demining<br />

donor in Ukraine. Our project with UNFPA<br />

which supports women, particularly on the issues<br />

of gender-based violence and consequences of conflict,<br />

we have helped 100,000 women within that<br />

program. Our project with the IOM where we are<br />

providing microfinance to small businesses, people,<br />

in particular IDPs who have come out of the<br />

“<br />

I can only talk from the United Kingdom’s experience, and what we<br />

see is that the monarchy has given us a thousand years of stability and tradition,<br />

and it plays a very important role for us. But that’s a model that works<br />

for us. We have a very specific model that is well respected and well understood.<br />

I think it is up to every country to decide on their own model. Obviously,<br />

we are extremely proud of the role of the royal family, and I am, after<br />

all, Her Majesty’s ambassador to Ukraine. But what we see in our<br />

monarchy is a huge degree of stability, continuity. The Queen has been on<br />

the throne for 66 years, that’s a lot of wisdom, a lot of continuity.<br />

”<br />

The key thing for us is that we want to remain a<br />

very close partner and friend of the European<br />

Union. This is obviously really very important for<br />

both sides. We want to have as smooth a transition<br />

as possible.<br />

“In terms of Ukraine, we want to make sure<br />

that we maintain a very strong bilateral relationship<br />

with Ukraine. We are not yet able to start formal<br />

negotiations on transition to DCFTA with<br />

Ukraine – you have virtually the DCFTA with the<br />

European Union – but obviously, we will be looking<br />

to transition to that, and we will discuss with<br />

the Ukrainian government how we might do that.<br />

But we want to ensure that we continue to trade<br />

freely with Ukraine, and indeed, we can increase<br />

trade and investment between our two countries.”<br />

Ambassador, having spent several years in<br />

Kyiv, can you say that this country’s business climate<br />

is improving and British investors need to<br />

have a greater presence here because of it?<br />

“I would like to see more inbound investment<br />

here. I think we will see more interest once privatization<br />

really gets underway. I think at the moment<br />

there is huge potential for investment coming<br />

to Ukraine, and we need to see further progress<br />

with privatization. We have just seen a law passed,<br />

and that’s really important. But people are a little<br />

skeptical because they don’t feel the corruption has<br />

yet been tackled. They say, ‘I will have again deal<br />

with corruption,’ which for a British person would<br />

be illegal even though it’s overseas, or ‘When will<br />

I be able to repatriate my profits?’ and ‘Will I get<br />

a fair hearing in a Ukrainian court?’ So, these areas<br />

are important, and I think the biggest signal<br />

that Ukraine could send that it is open for business<br />

is to show that it has made progress in tackling corruption<br />

at all levels. Because at the end of the day,<br />

it’s a competitive market, investors have choices,<br />

they don’t have to come to Ukraine.”<br />

I have heard a lot of complaints from former<br />

diplomats that Ukrainians have troubles obtaining<br />

a British visa which is issued in Warsaw. Can<br />

we expect visas coming to be issued in Kyiv after<br />

the UK leaves the EU, and possibly even a liberalization<br />

of the visa regime?<br />

“I don’t see at the moment any change to the<br />

current arrangement, where, while people apply<br />

in Kyiv, the processing is done in Warsaw. This<br />

is not unique to Ukraine, we have this model<br />

conflict area and are wanting to start up a business,<br />

but lack the capital to do so.<br />

“We are seeing how these businesses which we<br />

helped to start are now starting to flourish and<br />

grow. Because the biggest problem in Ukraine at<br />

the moment is that small and medium businesses,<br />

and in fact larger businesses, struggle to have access<br />

to credit, and it is very hard to grow and build<br />

a business if you cannot get finance. So I think the<br />

project we have there is crucially helping people.<br />

“I also try to understand situation on the<br />

ground seeing how areas come up, but of course understanding<br />

that the people in the east have lived<br />

through an extremely dramatic conflict, and its consequences<br />

will be there for a long time. It’s really<br />

important that diplomats and policymakers engage<br />

with the issues when they happen, so that it is not<br />

just theoretical exercise, and they really understand<br />

what the issues are, what conditions people live in.”<br />

At the end of last year, Darkest Hour was released<br />

in your country, and the McMafia series<br />

started showing this year. The first film depicts the<br />

period when Winston Churchill became prime minister<br />

at the beginning of the Second World War,<br />

and the series deals with the Russian mafia fighting<br />

each other in London. How do you personally<br />

perceive these films, why were they released just<br />

now?<br />

“The UK is really very good at creative industries,<br />

and producing films, and television,<br />

and music. If you look at a lot of reality show formats<br />

on television, a lot of those started in the UK,<br />

and got imitated around the world – ‘Ukraine’s Got<br />

Talent,’ ‘Voice of the Country’ – there are a whole<br />

lot of TV formats that started in the UK.<br />

“I have not seen the Darkest Hour because I<br />

want to see it in English. I think for me, part of the<br />

attraction of Churchill as a statesman was his gift<br />

for the English language. Much as I love Ukrainian<br />

language, and I am watching films in Ukrainian,<br />

this one I would like to see in English.<br />

“McMafia, I have seen two episodes of, both<br />

in the United Kingdom when I were away for<br />

Christmas, and it’s quite a tense drama, you<br />

know, it’s good for watching. We produce very<br />

good television. Every year when we have the Oscars,<br />

we are always looking for British people who<br />

have been awarded Oscars. It’s an industry that we<br />

are very proud of.”<br />

● “WE ARE VERY CLEAR THAT THE<br />

UNITED KINGDOM SHOULD NOT BE<br />

A CONDUIT FOR SUCH MONEY”<br />

Recently, your country passed legislation requiring<br />

foreigners, mainly Russians, to declare<br />

their wealth. Why was this done right now, and not<br />

before?<br />

“I don’t think it’s anything particularly new.<br />

Over the past couple of years, we have introduced<br />

legislation which has shifted the burden of proof,<br />

whereby people now have to explain where their<br />

wealth came from. You know, the UK is an open<br />

market and an open democracy. We are very proud<br />

of that fact, that’s why we are one of the world’s<br />

largest economies. But obviously, that openness is<br />

something that people with criminal intent are seeking<br />

to exploit. And I think the British government<br />

is being very aware of that, that’s why we hosted<br />

a corruption conference a few years ago. And<br />

there have been changes in legislation which shifted<br />

the burden of proof to try and make it harder for<br />

people to launder money through the United Kingdom.<br />

People will always seek to do it, but I think we<br />

are very clear that the United Kingdom should not<br />

be a conduit for such money.”<br />

Ambassador, at the end of last year, one of my<br />

colleagues met you near Sloviansk and presented<br />

you with a copy of Den’s Library book about aristocracy<br />

and history, about the monarchy, which is<br />

called The Crown. Have you read it already?<br />

“No, I have not yet read it, but it’s on my reading<br />

list.”<br />

● “THE MONARCHY HAS GIVEN US A<br />

THOUSAND YEARS OF STABILITY<br />

AND TRADITION”<br />

Last year, our publication published a series<br />

of articles devoted to the monarchies of Europe, in<br />

particular their role in maintaining links between<br />

epochs. Meanwhile, this year has been declared<br />

the year of the Hetmanate by Den/The Day.<br />

So, I would like to hear from you, as a representative<br />

of the United Kingdom, whether such an institutional<br />

arrangement as the monarchy contributes<br />

to stability in the modern world.<br />

“I can only talk from the United Kingdom’s<br />

experience, and what we see is that the monarchy<br />

has given us a thousand years of stability and tradition,<br />

and it plays a very important role for us.<br />

But that’s a model that works for us. We have a<br />

very specific model that is well respected and well<br />

understood. I think it is up to every country to decide<br />

on their own model. Obviously, we are extremely<br />

proud of the role of the royal family, and<br />

I am, after all, Her Majesty’s ambassador to<br />

Ukraine. But what we see in our monarchy is a<br />

huge degree of stability, continuity. The Queen<br />

has been on the throne for 66 years, that’s a lot<br />

of wisdom, a lot of continuity.”<br />

In the summer of last year, the international<br />

media covered the visit of Princess Kate and<br />

Prince William to Europe. When can we expect a<br />

visit of royal family members to Ukraine, which<br />

would emphasize the importance of this country<br />

as one indispensable for peace and tranquility in<br />

Europe? After all, the British journalist Lancelot<br />

Lawton highlighted precisely this in his 1935 address<br />

to the British Parliament entitled Ukraina:<br />

Europe’s Greatest Problem.<br />

“I do not have any advance exclusive schedule<br />

of the royal visits. Obviously, time will tell.<br />

“I think we have demonstrated that Ukraine is<br />

important. In the past couple of years, since I’ve<br />

been here, your prime minister and your president<br />

have both been to the United Kingdom, they had<br />

talks at No. 10 Downing Street. My foreign secretary<br />

has been here twice, and the defense secretary,<br />

we have had numerous ministerial visits. I think<br />

there is enough bilateral engagement that demonstrates<br />

that Ukraine continues to remain a priority<br />

for us and we continue to support Ukraine and<br />

remain in solidarity with Ukraine.”<br />

On the other hand, during the years of<br />

Ukraine’s independence, we had only one head of<br />

the United Kingdom government visiting, namely<br />

John Major. So, when can we expect the visit of<br />

the current prime minister, Theresa May?<br />

“Nobody can give you the answer! I can’t, we<br />

never talk about visits in advance.”<br />

Are you preparing it, perchance?<br />

“I’m not saying that (laughs).”<br />

And ending our conversation, what would you<br />

like to wish our readers?<br />

“I wish for Ukraine stability in the coming<br />

years – stability, prosperity, and security. We<br />

want to see this country succeed, and we know the<br />

path is difficult. Ukraine has made choices. We are<br />

supporting the government realize the aspirations<br />

and the goals that it has set for itself, and giving<br />

the best advice that we can to allow this country<br />

to succeed.”


6<br />

No.9 FEBRUARY 13, 2018<br />

CLOSE UP<br />

WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />

By Alla DUBROVYK-ROKHOVA, The Day,<br />

Kyiv – Munich – Kyiv<br />

Step by step, humanity is relinquishing<br />

its power to take decisions by delegating<br />

it... to computer algorithms.<br />

With the development of artificial<br />

intelligence, scientists predict that<br />

humans are at risk of losing their monopoly of<br />

controlling Earth in its entirety. This topic,<br />

in particular, is addressed in the 2018 trends<br />

report “Zero Interface/Zero Decision,” which<br />

will be presented by the Netexplo Observatory<br />

at the UNESCO Headquarters during the<br />

annual Innovation Forum (February 13) and<br />

the Talent Forum (February 14-15).<br />

The authors of the report note that with<br />

the development of artificial intelligence,<br />

which requires less interference from the user<br />

side, humans move away from making a decision.<br />

And they do not even care that every algorithm<br />

embodies the ideology of its author.<br />

In addition, such carelessness is predicated on<br />

100 percent confidence that the technology in<br />

question will not be hacked by attackers, or<br />

even more importantly, intentionally designed<br />

to restrict the rights and freedoms of<br />

its user.<br />

So far, artificial intelligence is still in<br />

its early stages. However, a small number of<br />

“Digital Titans” (Google, Amazon, Facebook,<br />

Apple, Netflix, Airbnb, Tesla, and<br />

Uber to name but a few) which collect a nearly<br />

infinite mass of data about their users are<br />

working hard to create a “synthetic super<br />

brain.” And strategies which are needed to<br />

protect the user in the digital world are one<br />

of the key issues in the abovementioned report.<br />

The Day was able to discuss the challenges<br />

which the digital world poses to us, the rules<br />

of online behavior, and how the Internet can…<br />

threaten humanity with Parisa TABRIZ, who<br />

is among the 30 coolest tech professionals in<br />

the world according to Forbes.<br />

The Telegraph called her “Google’s top secret<br />

weapon.” After all, Tabriz is responsible<br />

for the security of one of the most expensive<br />

global brands – the Internet browser Google<br />

Chrome, which is daily used by about two billion<br />

users. She is 33 and dyes her hair pink. On<br />

Tabriz’s business card, her job title reads “Security<br />

Princess.” She teaches at Harvard and<br />

advises the White House.<br />

“When I started working in security, I<br />

originally was doing web security, and I think<br />

at the time it was considered very lame.<br />

“Cross-site scripting was the first vulnerability<br />

I knew about, and I found ways to<br />

do it, but everyone was like, ‘it does not matter.’<br />

You know, nothing is actually happening<br />

on the web where security matters.<br />

That’s really changed now. It was especially<br />

Google. Gmail, search, history, dark search,<br />

and Drive are actually our applications. So<br />

what once was kind of lame vulnerability,<br />

now can actually lead to theft of updater. So,<br />

one thing is that web security has just become<br />

much more important.<br />

“When I started in security, a lot of<br />

hacking was done by people who were just interested<br />

in exploring, understanding how<br />

systems worked, maybe pulling pranks on<br />

people, but kind of doing it for fun in some<br />

ways, or as a hobby. Whereas now, you just<br />

see like crime has really moved from being<br />

mostly done on the streets to now being done<br />

online. We just see it: it’s not jokes anymore.<br />

It is really an active threat to people’s<br />

identities, to their safety in the real world,<br />

to their property and data.<br />

“We [Google. – Author] have the best of<br />

the best security, I think it is way better than<br />

when I joined. I think the approach that we<br />

have in Chrome and in general other technologies<br />

too, where you have layered defense<br />

and technologies actually makes exploitation<br />

much harder, but you also have software that<br />

is vulnerable.<br />

“How to protect people<br />

from technology?”<br />

White House adviser and Google’s “secret weapon”<br />

speaks about challenges of “technological revolutions”<br />

● EXPECT TROUBLES FROM PROGRAMS<br />

WHICH DO NOT REQUIRE UPDATES<br />

How about an example?<br />

“It makes you think about just the range<br />

that is available. I think about the Internet of<br />

Things, and how it’s exciting that people can<br />

really get anything connected to the Internet<br />

– your light bulb, your toaster... But a lot<br />

of people haven’t thought about how you can<br />

actually update that software. For me, there<br />

is no such thing as a fully secure system connected<br />

to the Internet. So, when I hear ‘our<br />

company is making very, very cheap software,<br />

and you don’t actually have to update them,’ –<br />

I just know that there is going to be some<br />

problems.<br />

Photo courtesy of the author<br />

“It’s both cool that it is so easily accessible.<br />

On the one hand, I see programming classes<br />

being available to kids, and that’s really exciting,<br />

that you can learn technology at an<br />

early age, and it’s very powerful to learn those<br />

skills and be able to apply them. At the same<br />

time, when we have a lot more people who are<br />

creating technology, you know, if they are doing<br />

it in a wrong way, then it could lead to a<br />

lot of security problems.”<br />

● THE INTERNET IS NOT OWNED<br />

BY ANY COUNTRY. WHO SHOULD<br />

PROTECT IT, AND HOW?<br />

Last month at the annual economic forum<br />

in Davos, many world leaders, including<br />

French President Emmanuel Macron,<br />

spoke about the great number of challenges<br />

facing humanity because of the cascade of<br />

technological revolutions that we are experiencing.<br />

Can you rank these challenges?<br />

What is frightening you, as the “Security<br />

Princess,” in the development of the web<br />

space?<br />

“I do not know specifically what point he<br />

was making, but in general, I see it like, you<br />

know, more and more business and financial<br />

dependence on the Internet. You start thinking,<br />

‘OK, how are we going to regulate and<br />

protect the Internet, as the Internet is not<br />

owned by any country, right?’ It’s a fully interconnected<br />

global system. In some ways<br />

that’s quite cool that no country owns it, but<br />

it also means that it’s much harder to protect,<br />

and you really rely on kind of a standards<br />

process, which again, no one person<br />

owns.<br />

“But within technology space and in<br />

Chrome, we think like, ‘What are these Internet<br />

protocols that are secure?’ We work with<br />

other experts around the world and we come<br />

together and say, ‘OK, we don’t want any<br />

company or any country to own this, but what<br />

is a secure protocol that the Internet can use?’<br />

But that’s a very slow process. You know, we<br />

learned things over time. One of the concerning<br />

things is just how fast the technology is<br />

evolving. In some ways it’s evolving faster<br />

than we know how to think about it from a legal<br />

perspective, from a regulation perspective.<br />

And keeping peace with that and figuring<br />

out how to keep people safe from that is<br />

just a really big challenge.<br />

“You have these large industrial power<br />

plants or water filtration systems, or power<br />

grid, and these systems were not built with<br />

security in mind. I mean, you actually saw<br />

this with Stuxnet, which was a malware that<br />

ended up infecting Iranian nuclear plant,<br />

and it infected PLCs, which are programmable<br />

logic controllers, as it made them go really,<br />

really fast, until they broke. You can<br />

see it as an example of malware that actually<br />

can take down a nuclear power plant. You<br />

can imagine how dead serious is that. If you<br />

have a power grid that’s connected to the Internet,<br />

something can go wrong. How we are<br />

actually thinking about updating those systems<br />

is a big challenge, but I know something<br />

is being done by the very top-of-line<br />

people.”<br />

● ON BLOCK CHAIN (*): PEOPLE ARE<br />

JUST GOING CRAZY ABOUT IT<br />

What do you think about the cryptocurrency<br />

boom? Is it safe?<br />

“I personally don’t use cryptocurrency.”<br />

Why?<br />

“I think I’m very conservative when it<br />

comes to investing. So, I am happy to let other<br />

people get a lot of money, but it’s very<br />

risky, so I don’t gamble.<br />

“I think, the US dollar is pretty stable, so<br />

I feel OK with that. My dad came from the<br />

country where the currency inflation happened,<br />

and he ended up thinking about gold<br />

and diamonds as a stable asset. So, cryptocurrency<br />

is not for me.”<br />

And what do you think about the technology<br />

behind the block chain? Is not it a technology<br />

of the future?<br />

“Yes. I think there are applications for it.<br />

I think right now, in some ways, everyone is<br />

trying to solve everything with the block<br />

chain. I think there is more excitement than<br />

probably what it needs. I make jokes that<br />

everyone is going to solve global warming<br />

with the block chain, which we really cannot<br />

do. But I think that like many other types of<br />

cryptography, there will be purposes for it<br />

and usages for it.<br />

“Every time you have a new technology<br />

boom, everyone is going a little bit crazy, trying<br />

to solve all the problems. You know, like<br />

with 3D movies, everyone wants to have 3D<br />

movies, and now I feel like, we are at the point<br />

of ‘there are some good 3D movies, but not<br />

everyone is doing 3D.’ There will be some good<br />

applications of block chain, but right now,<br />

people are going a little bit crazy about it.”<br />

● ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS<br />

A WEAPON. IT CAN ATTACK<br />

AND PROTECT<br />

Do you think artificial intelligence can<br />

enhance cybersecurity?<br />

“Yes, I think that with every new technology,<br />

it can help defense, it can also potentially<br />

help offense. In machine learning a


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lot of advances have happened recently – I<br />

remember in college I took artificial intelligence<br />

class, and it was really boring, because<br />

it just wasn’t something that you could really<br />

use, it was more work and didn’t actually<br />

yield interesting results. I think that now we<br />

are seeing machine learning be able to definitely<br />

detect anomalous activity, which<br />

could be an attacker, and be able to detect<br />

abusive comments in social networks, like be<br />

able to find people who are harassing other<br />

people.<br />

“But in the same way, you can imagine<br />

how this is potentially useful for an attacker.<br />

Every new technology, it can be used for good<br />

and bad.<br />

“We use machine intelligence to solve a lot<br />

of different problems at Google, and we are<br />

definitely trying use intrusion detection, being<br />

able to detect: ‘Oh, this is malicious behavior<br />

or something.’”<br />

Are you able to predict attacks?<br />

“I don’t think we will be able to get to the<br />

point where we can predict it, but you can<br />

sort of say, ‘this is suspicious, and either it<br />

should be blocked or we should do some kind<br />

of manual review to look into it.’ The work<br />

with abuse detection also relies on machine<br />

intelligence. Something we have done actually<br />

in Chrome is to use machine intelligence<br />

to determine whether a page is trying to fish<br />

data. For this, we have done things like constantly<br />

updating the learning model. And it<br />

is kind of learning based on other behaviors<br />

and other side actions as well.”<br />

● CYBER SECURITY IS A PLANETARY<br />

ISSUE<br />

How does international law protect users<br />

of the web space? I know that you advise the<br />

White House, can you say that the US legal<br />

system regulates best what is happening on<br />

the global Internet?<br />

“My mom is Polish, she is from Poland,<br />

my dad is from Iran, I grew up in the US, I<br />

have friends from all over the world, and so,<br />

in some ways, I think of myself as a citizen<br />

of the world. In some ways, the Internet is<br />

cool because it’s not anyone’s country, and<br />

protecting people on the Internet feels like<br />

just a very important role, and determining<br />

how it should be on the Internet, not just<br />

thinking about your own country – it is a<br />

challenge.<br />

“I have my own experience, and knowing<br />

what it is like to be a user in India, or to be a<br />

user in Brazil, or to be a user in, you know,<br />

Africa, it’s constantly something I’m learning<br />

about.<br />

“When I went to South Africa for the first<br />

time, I learned that they actually use their<br />

phones for mobile payments much more commonly<br />

than in the US, and so the attacks to the<br />

mobile finance system are much more sophisticated.<br />

“So it’s always interesting for me to learn<br />

what software is popular in the country, what<br />

attacks are popular, what defenses are popular.<br />

It’s a huge challenge, but I think it’s also<br />

very cool.”<br />

What can you say about a cyber attack on<br />

Ukraine that used a new model of Petya virus<br />

(*)? The CIA has stated that this was the<br />

work of Russian hackers, do you agree?<br />

“Yeah, and I think it was vulnerable Microsoft<br />

Windows software.<br />

“I think this is a really good example<br />

where updates are just important, because<br />

in that case, Microsoft Windows patches<br />

were available, but the system just had not<br />

been updated. That’s where things like<br />

Chrome Automatic Updates is really nice,<br />

because it just makes sure that the software<br />

really up to date. But I don’t know any<br />

specifics of who did it. I just read about it in<br />

the news.”<br />

● TO WORK FOR GOOGLE’S CYBER<br />

SECURITY, ONE MUST HAVE A LOT<br />

OF PATIENCE AND CURIOSITY<br />

What basic skills are you looking for in a<br />

person you are willing to hire at Google’s security<br />

department?<br />

“First, we really want people who want to<br />

make software more secure and protect users,<br />

and I think that’s very, very important,<br />

right? We are wondering what the motivation<br />

of people is, because, if it’s purely money, and<br />

they don’t care about user’s security, there<br />

are other places that they can work for and get<br />

their money from. But we really want people<br />

to actually care about user’s security and also<br />

care about Google products.<br />

“I think security is a field where you are<br />

always learning, and there are common classes<br />

of problems that happen, but you are constantly<br />

learning new technologies because<br />

whenever new technology comes, you need to<br />

learn it, because that’s where will be the potential<br />

for attack. So we are looking for people<br />

who like to learn new things constantly<br />

and are very, very curious. You know, in a<br />

movie you see somebody being able to hack into<br />

a system in a couple of minutes, in reality it<br />

doesn’t happen that fast. You actually have to<br />

be a very disciplined and hard worker, and<br />

very patient, sometimes even a little bit stubborn<br />

in finding the way to solve the problem.<br />

“I think with security it is similar in some<br />

ways to other creative fields. Like in art we<br />

are looking for people with portfolios as well.<br />

A lot of people who apply, they have found<br />

these vulnerabilities and can point to them, or<br />

By Maria CHADIUK<br />

The shelf has a sign reading “I don’t<br />

remember the title, but the cover<br />

was red.” Librarian Bart Leib<br />

tweeted a photo, which started a<br />

discussion of library problems. In<br />

805 comments, Twitter users shared their<br />

childhood impressions of librarians as<br />

done this work to actually make software<br />

more secure.<br />

“All of that put together actually leads to<br />

a very, very small number of people. I mean,<br />

we always want to hire more people than those<br />

that we find. So, I think it’s a really good field<br />

for kids or other people to be thinking about,<br />

because the needs for more people working in<br />

cyber security are very high.<br />

“There’s a myth that you have to be genius,<br />

or only interested in engineering or technology,<br />

but in cyber security we need a lot of<br />

different skills. We need lawyers and people<br />

who think about psychology, human factors,<br />

and user interface to come together and help<br />

keep people safe.”<br />

● “MY INBOX DETERMINES WHAT<br />

THE DAY WILL BE LIKE”<br />

You have a pretty cute job title, which<br />

reads “Security Princess.” Will you tell us<br />

the story behind it?<br />

“When I joined Google, my official job title<br />

was ‘information security engineer’ in the information<br />

security engineering team, and I<br />

found that very boring. It did not really mean<br />

anything and was very boring, and so I chose to<br />

change it to Security Princess, because I just<br />

thought it would be funny. I’m not very girly, I<br />

never wore very girly dresses, I have two brothers<br />

and I played football and wrestled with my<br />

brothers, so for me I was not a princess, but I<br />

thought it was funny and a little bit ironic.<br />

“And then I went to a security conference<br />

in Japan. And in Japan it’s a very official<br />

process – business cards are expected, there is<br />

Creative message to readers<br />

magicians, wrote about their dreams of<br />

gaining this profession, and some even<br />

about their professional achievements.<br />

In particular, Anna James wrote: “My<br />

proudest moment was working in an<br />

episcopal library of 200,000 books,<br />

someone asked for ‘that book about<br />

bishops with a yellow cover’ and I got it<br />

straight away, even though it was purple.”<br />

a formal exchange of business cards – and so I<br />

kept my title for that and made my business<br />

card with it, in part because I just thought it<br />

was funny, when you are meeting someone,<br />

they read it and sort of laugh. It is a nice way<br />

to meet someone – you need it to be memorable.<br />

And it was. I think it’s been a nice way to<br />

break ice when I meet someone. Especially in<br />

security, sometimes you are meeting people<br />

who work in the government or in defense, and<br />

they are all very serious. But when they see it,<br />

they smile a little bit and laugh. I like it, since<br />

my old title did not mean anything anyways,<br />

and this is kind of a bit funny and ironic.<br />

“In some ways, it’s nice to be a role model,<br />

a different type of princess role model. Growing<br />

up, I watched Disney movies, and the<br />

princess is always trying at the end of the<br />

movie to get married, like that’s what the goal<br />

is. I thought it would be nice to have a different<br />

kind of princess role model – trying to<br />

keep people safe.”<br />

A question from our reader on Facebook:<br />

“It is always interesting to see what morning<br />

rituals open the professional’s day: what do<br />

you start your day with?”<br />

“I wake up very early. When I was in Germany,<br />

I woke up at like 4 a.m. Normally, I<br />

wake up at 6 a.m. I have at least two cups of<br />

coffee and eat pretty much the same breakfast<br />

every day and do some emails, or actually,<br />

first of all I feed my cats. They wake me up. I<br />

feed my cats, go to work, do emails. Then I<br />

see, based on what’s in my inbox, what the day<br />

is going to be like. Sometimes it’s helping people<br />

on the projects, sometimes it’s dealing<br />

with a new incident. It’s cool.”<br />

Photo from the website LOLSNAPS.COM<br />

An unusual bookshelf at<br />

Framinghan Public Library, US<br />

Within three days after the publication,<br />

the post gathered more than 41,000<br />

retweets and about 113,000 likes. The<br />

Framingham library has thus managed not<br />

only to send a creative message to readers,<br />

but also to draw attention to book<br />

specialists in general. No wonder, a<br />

tweeter wrote: “I will take it as a sign that<br />

I chose the right profession.”


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By Olha PETROVA, art critic<br />

Masterpieces made of cardboard,<br />

wood, and stone<br />

The Blue Gallery of Tbilisi is hosting works<br />

by Ukrainian artist Oleksandr Zhyvotkov<br />

The renowned National Gallery of Georgia,<br />

where guests of Tbilisi get acquainted with<br />

the masterpieces of Niko Pirosmani, Lado<br />

Gudiashvili, Elene Akhvlediani, and David<br />

Kakabadze, has admitted to its premises an<br />

exhibition of a Ukrainian master, namely<br />

Oleksandr Zhyvotkov, who named the exhibit<br />

“Cardboard. Wood. Stone.”<br />

The event is organized by Stella Beniaminova<br />

of the Stedley Art Foundation with the support of<br />

the Embassy of Ukraine in Georgia. They had done<br />

a lot of preparatory and diplomatic work and published<br />

an English-language catalog before the<br />

works (50 in total) reached their destination in the<br />

Tbilisi Museum of Modern Art after going over land<br />

and sea. The museum, which is a magnificent oasis<br />

of culture, was founded in 1917-20 by the artist<br />

and cultural scholar Dimitri Shevardnadze, and reconstructed<br />

and modernized in 2012.<br />

In the artistic circles of Ukraine, Zhyvotkov<br />

has long been known as a distinctive master of<br />

painting. Beginning in 2007, the artist has experimented<br />

with non-traditional materials –<br />

cardboard, paper, gauze, sand, earth, soot, stone,<br />

and has convincingly mastered them. This artistic<br />

“reconnaissance mission” is not an end in itself<br />

for the author, but a way to increase the expressiveness<br />

of each new work and to activate the<br />

viewer’s perception. Paintings on canvas, on<br />

wooden boards, as well as on other materials<br />

that are artistically transformed by hand and fantasy<br />

of the master, and his sculptural objects – all<br />

of them are subordinated to the eternal dialog between<br />

existence and non-existence. Zhyvotkov is<br />

a rare phenomenon in that he is both artist and<br />

philosopher, and has extraordinary knowledge in<br />

the field of humanity’s prehistoric culture. He<br />

courageously looks at the undisclosed secrets of<br />

Nothing and Ideal. Back in the late 1980s, he discovered<br />

his own sign system as a painter, which<br />

includes fish, figure or head of a woman, cross,<br />

bird, etc. This symbolism, which you will always<br />

find in all his works, obviously resonates<br />

with the archaic images of Christian iconography.<br />

It is no accident that the Georgian audience saw<br />

and felt an obvious affinity between Zhyvotkov’s<br />

exhibition and their native archaic. The Ukrainian<br />

artist shares a language with any Georgian<br />

who treasures the 5th-6th-century temples and<br />

culture of that people. At the same time, the creator’s<br />

artistic form, in which the universal human<br />

meanings are encrypted, is obviously avantgarde<br />

and belongs to the 21st century. This is a<br />

wonderful paradox of this artistic phenomenon.<br />

The Ukrainian delegation met, besides art<br />

connoisseurs and lovers, famous Georgian artists<br />

in the four rooms of the museum during the crowded<br />

exhibition. The event’s opening, which started<br />

with a solemn speech by the first general director<br />

of the National Museum of Georgia David Lordkipanidze,<br />

attracted attention of People’s Artists<br />

of Georgia Zurab Nizheradze, Teimuraz Murvanidze,<br />

Loretta Shangelia-Abashidze, and others.<br />

A large delegation came from Italy. It was headed<br />

by Professor Nicola Franco Balloni. In Ukraine, the<br />

director (until 2017) of the Italian Institute of Culture<br />

at the Italian Embassy is well known among<br />

musicians, artists, philologists, and diplomats.<br />

The artistic masterpieces of Zhyvotkov which<br />

are now on loan in the Blue Gallery of Tbilisi bring<br />

viewers to the state of spiritual exaltation and<br />

sound like Johann Sebastian Bach’s chorals.<br />

The emotional range of images on display is<br />

quite broad, reaching from prayerful concentration<br />

Photo from Oleksandr ZHYVOTKOV’s private archive<br />

(images of the Madonna) to a dramatic fall into the<br />

abyss of exit (the Crucifixion of Christ). The master’s<br />

hand has created a truly magical field.<br />

The highest assessment of Zhyvotkov’s work<br />

was offered by the Georgian audience. Academician<br />

Murvanidze said: “Modernism has existed for<br />

over a century. It would seem that it is impossible<br />

to discover something new in it without quoting<br />

from the great avant-garde artists. However,<br />

Zhyvotkov has managed to add a distinctive new<br />

page to this system of art.”<br />

On Mykola Bilyk’s oeuvre and<br />

solo exhibition “Earthly Love”<br />

Sculptor-violinist<br />

By Alisa ANTONENKO<br />

This year, the well-known master, People’s<br />

Artist of Ukraine, corresponding member of the<br />

Department of Fine Arts of the National<br />

Academy of Arts of Ukraine, member of the<br />

National Union of Artists of Ukraine Mykola<br />

Bilyk is nominated for the Shevchenko Prize for his<br />

monument to Hetman Ivan Mazepa in Poltava and the<br />

sculpture cycle “Earthly Love.”<br />

Bilyk has created many indoor, monumental,<br />

landscape sculptures. Art historians note that his<br />

works take their inspiration primarily from the history<br />

of Ukraine, the female image, and the ecological<br />

problems facing humanity. His creative portfolio is<br />

quite large, including more than 500 works of art<br />

(sculptures and graphic pieces).<br />

The artist is one of the most famous masters of our<br />

time, has in-depth knowledge of the problems of the<br />

contemporary fine art culture, and exhibits an analytical<br />

approach to addressing meaningful themes of<br />

history and present. By combining the high traditions<br />

of the Ukrainian school of fine arts with the best<br />

achievements of European art in his work, the sculptor<br />

has achieved inimitable, unique expressiveness. His<br />

manner just cannot be confused with any other. In his<br />

sculptures, the artist seeks to achieve harmony, to unravel<br />

the secrets of folk traditions, to fill the compositions<br />

with deep meaning and spirituality.<br />

Let us recall that the monument to Hetman<br />

Mazepa was solemnly opened in Soborna Square in the<br />

city of Poltava in May 2016. This is the first full-size<br />

monument to the hetman, while his busts have been<br />

installed in several Ukrainian cities, as well as in the<br />

US and Australia.<br />

EMBRACE, MARBLE, 2009<br />

Photo from Mykola BILYK’s private archive<br />

“When people ask me about my favorite material,<br />

they think that it is stone. But I have worked with<br />

bronze a lot as well,” Bilyk was quoted as saying by beinart.com<br />

website. “Metal allows one to do very fine<br />

things. One can make even open work from metal.<br />

Stone cannot afford any subtleties, it is fragile... I have<br />

worked with wood as well. Stonework produces virtually<br />

no waste. I do a large piece from the main block,<br />

and smaller pieces from ‘waste bits.’ I do not throw<br />

away anything.<br />

“An artist must start every day as if it was their<br />

first, then they will achieve something for themselves<br />

and for art. It is like a good violinist. They play well,<br />

but they do not create. They just perform well. This<br />

is sometimes enough, but art requires discovering<br />

something new. Then it will remain in history...”<br />

Bilyk’s work is a colorful modern artistic phenomenon<br />

in the contemporary art of sculpture, which<br />

influences the viewer through a wide range of visual<br />

plastic art techniques. His project “Earthly Love,”<br />

which includes 50 sculptural works, is a testimony to<br />

the fact that there is a place for high art in our lives.<br />

The cycle consists of individual works, but is perceived<br />

as a whole, attracting viewers with its compositional<br />

skill and stylistic harmony, which are generally aimed<br />

at the thorough treatment of the image, the subtle<br />

transmission of the psychological condition. Having<br />

created his own unique style, the sculptor has achieved<br />

refined generalizations that make up his works’ imagery.<br />

Bilyk’s sculptural compositions reflect a special<br />

world of symbols that inspire a silent dialog. For<br />

example, one can see in Kyiv the iconic works by Bilyk<br />

without which we can no longer imagine our capital<br />

– these are principally the monument to Princess<br />

Olha (in Mykhailivska Square), the monument to<br />

Yaroslav the Wise near the Golden Gates with Bilyk’s<br />

palm prints, the monument to Archangel Michael, the<br />

memorial of the officers of the Foreign Intelligence<br />

Service of Ukraine, and the sign commemorating the<br />

demolished settlement of Peredmostova Slobidka<br />

(in Hidropark).<br />

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