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FEBRUARY 13, 2018 ISSUE No. 9 (1141)<br />
Tel.: +38(044) 303-96-19,<br />
fax: +38(044) 303-94-20<br />
е-mail: time@day.kiev.ua;<br />
http://www.day.kiev.ua<br />
“HOW<br />
Photo by Ruslan KANIUKA, The Day<br />
TO PROTECT<br />
PEOPLE FROM<br />
TECHNOLOGY?”<br />
White House adviser and<br />
Google’s “secret weapon”<br />
speaks about challenges of<br />
“technological revolutions”<br />
Continued on pages 6, 7<br />
Photo by Ruslan KANIUKA, The Day<br />
On the role of the monarchy, Minsk II,<br />
and the Budapest Memorandum<br />
Ambassador Judith GOUGH:<br />
“Ukraine continues to remain a priority for<br />
us and we continue to support Ukraine<br />
and remain in solidarity with Ukraine”<br />
Continued on pages 4, 5
2<br />
No.9 FEBRUARY 13, 2018<br />
DAY AFTER DAY<br />
WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />
“The Yanukovych case”:<br />
what lesson have we drawn?<br />
Expert: “There is no understanding that political<br />
processes need to be separated from legal issues”<br />
By Ivan KAPSAMUN, The Day<br />
These days four years ago, there was<br />
not much time left before the tragic<br />
apogee of the Maidan. A week later<br />
(February 18-20, 2014), dozens of<br />
people were shot in the center of the<br />
Ukrainian capital. Then Viktor Yanukovych<br />
fled the country, and our current rulers<br />
came to power. Has any representative of<br />
the then authorities been brought to account<br />
for the terrible crimes committed? They<br />
have fled, you will say. Yes, but has a<br />
quality investigation been carried out at<br />
least? Or have we seen a trial in absentia<br />
happening?<br />
On the latter matter, some new information<br />
has appeared lately. It is quite likely<br />
that the current government decided to<br />
accelerate the process precisely due to the<br />
approaching anniversary of the tragic<br />
events. They are just used to working this<br />
way – marking an important date with<br />
some actions.<br />
Thus, Prosecutor General Yurii Lutsenko<br />
wrote on Facebook: “From my first<br />
day in office, I have felt that my main task<br />
is to answer the question: who is to blame<br />
for the deaths of the Heavenly Hundred?<br />
During this year-and-a-half, a lot has been<br />
done: 280 individuals who executed criminal<br />
orders to commit acts of violence<br />
against Maidan protesters are being tried.<br />
But the public rightly asks: who was the organizer<br />
of the shootings of peaceful protesters?<br />
... Today, after months of controversial<br />
actions by Yanukovych’s defense<br />
team, the Pecherskyi District Court of<br />
Kyiv allowed us to hold a special (in absentia)<br />
preliminary investigation of former<br />
president Yanukovych, former head of the<br />
Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) Oleksandr<br />
Yakymenko, and former first deputy<br />
head of the SBU Volodymyr Totskyi’s involvement<br />
in the Maidan shootings. This<br />
means that after the completion of the<br />
Yanukovych high treason trial, Ukrainians<br />
will witness the next trial dealing with criminal<br />
orders to attack the Maidan. As to the<br />
other three persons involved in this criminal<br />
proceeding, namely Vitalii Zakharchenko,<br />
Viktor Ratushniak, and Petro<br />
Fedchuk, similar prosecutorial motions<br />
will be considered in the near future.”<br />
The investigation team blames expresident<br />
Yanukovych and other former<br />
high-ranking officials of involvement in the<br />
Maidan shootings. From February 18-20,<br />
2014, clashes between protesters and lawenforcement<br />
officers saw more than 100 activists<br />
of the Euromaidan and 19 police officers<br />
killed.<br />
In response, Yanukovych said that he<br />
was dissatisfied with the court’s permission<br />
to hold an in absentia investigation into his<br />
actions, and accused the current government<br />
of preventing his lawyers from attending<br />
the court hearing, This claim is contained<br />
in a statement by the ex-president<br />
which was posted on Facebook by the<br />
spokesman of his son Oleksandr Yanukovych,<br />
Yurii Kyrasyr. “The current<br />
Ukrainian regime has stooped to criminal<br />
measures, namely using force to remove my<br />
lawyers from the trial in the so-called<br />
Maidan case, which is allegedly being<br />
‘heard’ by the Pecherskyi District Court of<br />
Kyiv,” stated Yanukovych.<br />
Let us recall that the Obolonskyi District<br />
Court of Kyiv is already hearing a case<br />
against Yanukovych on charges of high<br />
treason. Yanukovych himself, who is currently<br />
residing in Russia, rejects all the allegations<br />
against himself. He testified in<br />
court through a video link.<br />
A very important point in this whole story<br />
is to see not just criminal cases against former<br />
high-ranking officials, but high-quality<br />
investigations. After all, any mistakes<br />
made during them may then serve as grounds<br />
for the annulment of judgments in European<br />
courts, if, for example, Yanukovych decides<br />
to bring the matter there. There are<br />
even examples where representatives of the<br />
former regime have already won cases in European<br />
courts: for example, Andrii Portnov.<br />
Journalists, of course, can be blamed for interviewing<br />
Portnov or Olena Bondarenko<br />
(this is a separate matter, though), but<br />
what has the current Ukrainian government<br />
done to prove the guilt of former officials?<br />
Therefore, this story, in fact, is not just indicative,<br />
but also instructive, both from a legal<br />
and a political point of view. It is these<br />
key matters that are dealt with in the commentary<br />
below, offered by lawyer, Candidate<br />
of Law, senior research fellow at the Koretsky<br />
Institute of State and Law (the National<br />
Academy of Sciences of Ukraine)<br />
Mykola SIRYI.<br />
“I would like to recall the statement of<br />
Prosecutor General Lutsenko that the conviction<br />
in the first case involving treason had<br />
to be obtained by September 2017. It is February<br />
2018 now, that is, it has already<br />
been six months since this stated date, and<br />
we see that the end of this proceeding is<br />
nowhere in sight. This implies irresponsible<br />
attitude on the part of the state, in particular<br />
the Prosecutor General’s Office (PGO),<br />
towards the construction of its strategy. It<br />
must be understood that if a certain action<br />
is announced, the PGO must exhibit professionalism<br />
and understanding of the situation,<br />
that is, they must know how the<br />
events will develop. If you want to amend the<br />
law, and in fact the in absentia procedure<br />
needs this to be legal, then it was necessary<br />
to do so a year ago and understand how the<br />
trial will develop. Unfortunately, we are seeing<br />
a situation instead when people are<br />
starting to act blindly, not knowing what<br />
consequences these actions will have.<br />
“As for the Maidan killings, we also see<br />
that the prosecutor general is again in a hurry<br />
to make statements and demonstrate<br />
seemingly dynamic progress. I would not<br />
want to offer a negative forecast, but it is<br />
likely that we will have the same situation<br />
in that latter trial too. In general, those people<br />
who take important decisions in the legal<br />
sphere today lack understanding that political<br />
processes need to be separated from<br />
legal issues. Beginning one or another legal<br />
proceeding, including a trial, one needs to<br />
have a good hold on one’s tools and to separate<br />
political information from purely legal<br />
proceedings. In my opinion, it is in this<br />
area that we have serious problems and the<br />
corresponding consequences.<br />
“With regard to the formal issues of defense<br />
provision, the accused person always<br />
takes lead in choosing a counsel. That is, the<br />
state cannot impose on the person a counsel<br />
that it considers to be the best from its own<br />
perspective. Therefore, any actions aimed at<br />
ignoring the right to legal defense can be perceived<br />
positively neither in Ukraine nor<br />
abroad. It should also be remembered that<br />
an in absentia trial is a quasi trial, after<br />
which it is still possible to return to the complete<br />
trial mode. Therefore, when starting<br />
any in absentia trial, it is necessary to conduct<br />
it as one, that is, in an abbreviated<br />
form. After an in absentia trial, the person<br />
against whom the verdict is pronounced is<br />
still entitled to a complete trial.<br />
“The fact that we need to raise the issue<br />
of the legal responsibility of<br />
Yanukovych and the then supreme leadership<br />
of the nation, who used excessive<br />
force and weapons against people which led<br />
to numerous deaths – that fact is indisputable.<br />
But if the state is involved in this<br />
trial, in particular the PGO, then everything<br />
must be done in a professional, authoritative<br />
manner, with an understanding of<br />
how this trial will develop. What we are seeing<br />
now is the prosecution team lacking full<br />
understanding of the essence of the trial.<br />
Therefore, we see the high treason trial expanding<br />
its scope beyond belief. The impression<br />
is that they plan to question the entire<br />
military establishment and the entire<br />
political class of Ukraine, including past,<br />
present, and future figures. This indicates<br />
a nonprofessional approach.”<br />
By Natalia PUSHKARUK, The Day<br />
Recently, member of the Israeli<br />
Knesset Akram Hasson submitted<br />
for consideration by the<br />
chamber a bill proposing to<br />
recognize the Holodomor of 1932-<br />
33 as genocide, and to proclaim December 6<br />
as the official commemoration day for<br />
Holodomor victims. The explanatory notes<br />
to the bill state that the Holodomor was<br />
planned by “the Soviet authorities in order<br />
to strike a blow against the Ukrainian<br />
nation and Ukrainian national identity,”<br />
the DW writes.<br />
NEWSru.co.il writes that the idea of<br />
submitting the bill for consideration occurred<br />
to Hasson after he had made a visit<br />
to Ukraine and, in particular, visited the<br />
Holodomor Museum, which made a great<br />
impression on him.<br />
A request to recognize the Holodomor<br />
as an act of genocide was communicated<br />
to the Israeli side back in September<br />
2016 by a group of Ukrainian public figures.<br />
Yurii SHCHERBAK,<br />
diplomat and journalist:<br />
“They are now able to talk about it and<br />
have put the bill on the agenda, which is already<br />
a step forward and should be welcomed.<br />
But I think that they will not pass it,<br />
because their position is clear: the Holocaust<br />
of the Jewish people was the only event of<br />
that magnitude, and the Holodomor was, of<br />
course, acrime, butnotgenocide. AndIhave<br />
great doubts that this position has changed,<br />
butIwouldbeveryhappyifithas.Moreover,<br />
Israel is under the great influence of Russia<br />
which will not allow them to recognize the<br />
Holodomor as genocide.<br />
“The fact that the Knesset still has not<br />
recognized the Holodomor as genocide is<br />
due to them having such an ideology of concentrating<br />
on their people’s particular issues.<br />
An Israeli foreign minister explained<br />
once that their state was a regional rather<br />
than a global power, therefore they were<br />
only concerned with Jewish problems. For<br />
example, according to him, if Jews are oppressed<br />
somewhere, Israel will fight this,<br />
provide help, but it will try not to interfere<br />
otherwise. In addition, there are many<br />
delicate moments interwoven here, like the<br />
fact that there were many Jews serving in<br />
the NKVD who played their part in the<br />
Holodomor policy.<br />
“During my time in Israel, I published<br />
an article on the Holodomor in a local<br />
newspaper, which listed many facts. This<br />
was, I think, the first publication on this<br />
topic. I found materials about the famine’s<br />
impact in Jewish districts of Ukraine. Interestingly,<br />
Jews suffered from the<br />
Holodomor as well. But of course, one<br />
publication was unlikely to solve anything,<br />
although it was welcomed quite<br />
warmly in Israel.”<br />
Why is it so important to us that the<br />
Israeli government recognize the<br />
Holodomor as genocide, after all, and<br />
why has this issue been delayed for so<br />
long?<br />
“We have a very positive attitude towards<br />
the Jewish state, towards Israel. We<br />
feel great sympathy for the suffering and<br />
tragedy of the Jewish people. And that is<br />
the right thing to do. There are many<br />
similarities in the fates of the Ukrainian<br />
and Jewish peoples and our two states. The<br />
Jewish state emerged despite the enormous<br />
resistance of the Arab countries in the Middle<br />
East and has asserted itself through unceasing<br />
wars. There are certain analogies<br />
in our historical fates. Therefore, it would<br />
be important for us to see them feeling<br />
Ukrainian pain as well. Moreover, grandfathers<br />
and great-grandfathers of a large<br />
number of living Ukrainian Israelis saw the<br />
Holodomor, and also suffered to a certain<br />
extent. Although, since most Jews lived in<br />
cities, they were less affected by it.<br />
“Of course, we have every right to expect<br />
that they will not be indifferent to the<br />
suffering of the Ukrainian people, which<br />
their fathers and grandfathers also experienced,<br />
and at least will be able to express<br />
their compassion.”<br />
What steps should Ukraine and our<br />
embassy in Israel take in order to change<br />
the Israeli public opinion on this issue?<br />
“The embassy is not the only institution<br />
with a role here. I am convinced and<br />
aware that our embassy is conducting appropriate<br />
outreach and advocacy work<br />
and trying to influence decisions of the<br />
Knesset. But I think that we need to pay<br />
more attention to the problems that exist<br />
Expert: “There are many similarities<br />
in the fates of the Ukrainian and<br />
Jewish peoples and our two states”<br />
between us, to expand our cooperation.<br />
Still, Israel depends heavily on Russia, on<br />
its decisions to supply or not modern<br />
weapons to hostile regimes, in particular,<br />
Iran and Hamas, which have set themselves<br />
the goal of destroying Israel. Therefore,<br />
they are forced to approach Vladimir Putin<br />
as supplicants and ask him not to take some<br />
steps, and Russia responds, as it has done<br />
everywhere and with everyone, with its<br />
characteristic haughty imperialist behavior.<br />
On the one hand, sometimes it promises<br />
something, and on the other hand, if<br />
modern systems, especially very effective<br />
anti-aircraft missile systems are delivered,<br />
Israel will not be able to respond adequately<br />
to terrorist attacks. After all, it<br />
has to deal with constant barrages of primitive<br />
homemade rockets hitting its territory.<br />
Therefore, this is a very serious matter.<br />
The role of Russia is enormous in the<br />
region since it has taken upon itself to act<br />
on the side of the Shiite Muslim countries<br />
and has been engaged in hostilities in Syria,<br />
which has caused enormous rage among<br />
other Muslims. But that mess of contradictions,<br />
hatred and blood, which Syria is<br />
now, is also an intersection of interests of<br />
Russia, Israel, and Turkey. We must understand<br />
that they are heavily dependent<br />
on Russia’s behavior.<br />
“I think the time is on our side as we<br />
are working to have Israel recognize the<br />
Holodomor as genocide. I am confident of<br />
this, but I have great doubts about it happening<br />
right now. But history is such a<br />
mole that slowly digs its burrows, in the<br />
end the truth comes to surface.”<br />
● “WE NEED TO PREPARE<br />
PUBLIC OPINION”<br />
Josef ZISSELS, a Soviet-era dissident,<br />
co-chairman of the Association of<br />
Jewish Organizations and<br />
Communities of Ukraine:<br />
“I am very glad that this bill has been<br />
introduced. But it seems to me that it has<br />
come too early, because we need to prepare<br />
public opinion, to publicize this story<br />
through the Israeli press. I do not know if<br />
Photo by Ruslan KANIUKA, The Day<br />
Will Israel recognize the<br />
Holodomor as genocide?<br />
the embassy is doing enough to introduce<br />
the Israeli society to the Holodomor problem.<br />
I think they would be able to perceive<br />
it if they saw it explained correctly and in<br />
a measured manner in various languages:<br />
English, Russian, Hebrew.<br />
“The odds of the bill passing are low at<br />
the moment. It can be ‘killed’ as early as the<br />
committee stage, although I will be glad if<br />
it passes anyway.<br />
“But the main thing is to inform the Israeli<br />
population about what the Holodomor<br />
was. This requires a systematic effort<br />
which our friends in Israel also have to join.<br />
There is a large community called Israel<br />
Supports Ukraine there that arose during<br />
the Maidan, and there are people in the<br />
Knesset who are sympathetic to us, but that<br />
is not enough. We need a high level of activity<br />
in Hebrew-language media, on the Internet,<br />
on TV. After that, the prepared audience<br />
would take well to this law.”<br />
Why has Israel still not recognized<br />
the Holodomor as genocide?<br />
“Only 24 out of 200 countries have recognized<br />
the Holodomor as a genocide. Israel<br />
has its own headache, I mean the<br />
Holocaust. It is very difficult to overcome<br />
the barrier when you have always existed<br />
in your tragedy and cultivated the<br />
memory of it, to overcome it and feel compassion<br />
for another people. But this is<br />
possible. We have seen it in other countries,<br />
but those countries did not experience the<br />
Holocaust. This is a process that has started<br />
and, I think, will reach its logical conclusion,<br />
but it will not be soon.”<br />
P.S. Den/The Day’s editor-in-chief<br />
Larysa Ivshyna wrote on Facebook: “If the<br />
Knesset will be able to recognize the<br />
Holodomor as genocide, Ukraine will have<br />
to recognize Israel as a strategic partner.”<br />
If the Knesset will still miss the opportunity<br />
and fail to pass the law on the<br />
recognition of the Holodomor as genocide<br />
of the Ukrainian people in the near future,<br />
we will hope that the next generation of<br />
politicians will be able to not just put this<br />
issue on the agenda, but also implement it.
WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />
DAY AFTER DAY No.9 FEBRUARY 13, 2018 3<br />
By Ivan ANTYPENKO, The Day, Kherson<br />
Borys Babin has been in office since<br />
August 17 last year. Ukraine’s<br />
President Petro Poroshenko<br />
appointed a new representative in<br />
the Autonomous Republic of<br />
Crimea after activists had expressed<br />
dissatisfaction with the previous one –<br />
Natalia Popovych. It will be recalled that<br />
Crimean Tatar activists protested against<br />
Popovych in July last year near the<br />
Representation of the President of Ukraine<br />
in Crimea. Members of the Asker civic<br />
formation, former Aidar fighters, and<br />
other people in military uniform were<br />
saying that Popovych did not receive<br />
people in her office or care about migrants<br />
from Crimea, and they knew very little<br />
about the work of this governmental body.<br />
The conflict lasted for about a month.<br />
Izet Gdanov, a participant in the July<br />
protest and the public blockade of<br />
Crimea in 2015, became the first deputy of<br />
the newly-appointed representative. He is<br />
called a creature of Lenur Isliamov, a<br />
Crimean Tatar political figure, the mastermind<br />
of the public blockade of Crimea<br />
in 2015, and an initiator of protests against<br />
Natalia Popovych.<br />
Borys BABIN is an international and<br />
maritime law expert, an academic. After<br />
his appointment, the Representation became<br />
a more frequent subject of discussions.<br />
Babin often speaks publicly about<br />
Crimean problems, such as illegal transportations,<br />
the performance of customs<br />
services at check points, the establishment<br />
of “service provision centers” in the<br />
borderline areas of Kherson oblast, etc. The<br />
Day met Babin to talk about the Representation’s<br />
role in tackling legal, security,<br />
economic, social, and other problems<br />
Ukraine is facing as a result of Russia’s aggression.<br />
● DEOCCUPATION<br />
Mr. Babin, is there a strategy of returning<br />
Crimea? Who works it out?<br />
“The occupation of Crimea and the<br />
Donbas is an element of the interstate<br />
conflict. The strategy of deoccupation can<br />
only be a component in solving the overall<br />
problem – ending the war with Ukraine’s<br />
victory, not defeat.”<br />
In other words, first a victory in the<br />
Donbas war and only then the strategy of<br />
deoccupation?<br />
“The Donbas and Crimea are not separate<br />
conflicts. They shoot over there,<br />
but not here. But still it is one conflict. We<br />
must have a single – diplomatic, security,<br />
and military – front of resistance. I don’t<br />
know what we will liberate earlier – Crimea<br />
or the Donbas. The world is changing fast.<br />
Yet we must map out a general strategy of<br />
resisting the aggressor. I am sure that these<br />
documents exist, but they cannot be publicized.”<br />
What is the role of the Representation<br />
in this process?<br />
“We know that Crimea will be deoccupied.<br />
But we cannot say in detail and publicly<br />
how this will be done. Yet we can say<br />
what is to be done here and now to resist the<br />
Russian aggression that is unfolding in the<br />
public plane. Let’s call it Plan of Urgent Actions.<br />
We have almost finished drawing up<br />
this document.”<br />
What is there in it?<br />
“It is about international relations, the<br />
policy of law, public administration, transport,<br />
trade, finances, the environment, education,<br />
etc. We have a lot of bodies that<br />
deal with Crimea: the police, the Security<br />
Service, the Ministry for Temporary Occupied<br />
Territories, the Ministry of Defense,<br />
and other ministries. The question is<br />
whether we should have this plan approved<br />
at the National Security and Defense<br />
Council level or a separate law. But<br />
it is difficult, for some things must be done<br />
now. We think we will be fulfilling this<br />
plan within the limits of the Representation’s<br />
authority. It will result in projects,<br />
proposals, and actions. But the plan should<br />
at first be scrutinized by a high-level task<br />
force composed of prominent Ukrainian academics,<br />
deputy ministers, and other officials.<br />
It will take just a few weeks. Then<br />
we will make this plan public and work on<br />
it in the next two years. Unfortunately, I<br />
can’t say there will be deoccupation in 2018<br />
or, frankly speaking, even in 2019.”<br />
“The Donbas and Crimea are<br />
not separate conflicts”<br />
The President’s Representative in Crimea, Borys<br />
BABIN, on how to resist Russian aggression<br />
Does this plan set out any indicators<br />
of effectiveness?<br />
“Of course, in each of the steps, even<br />
if it is a matter beyond our competence.<br />
Then we will be reporting on progress in<br />
the fulfillment of this plan so that society<br />
can see why I am paid a salary off your<br />
taxes.<br />
“The next thing we are going to work<br />
on in 2018 is the strategy of Crimea’s<br />
reintegration. We must work out a plan of<br />
actions from the ‘zero hour,’ when we<br />
will begin to enter Crimea, until the moment<br />
we say: Crimea is fully integrated into<br />
the legal, economic, cultural, and security<br />
fields of Ukraine. Will the invader be<br />
withdrawing from Crimea smoothly and<br />
honestly? No. Will we run any risks after<br />
the deoccupation? Yes. That’s why we<br />
must think it over right now.”<br />
● HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE<br />
In what way are you monitoring human<br />
rights abuse in Crimea? What is the<br />
current situation?<br />
“Seventy percent of the information<br />
about human rights abuse situation in<br />
Crimea is openly accessible. Russia is simulating<br />
its own legal system in Crimea and,<br />
therefore, cannot brazenly hide its activities,<br />
as it does in the Donbas. Our analytical<br />
section monitors the so-called administrative<br />
bodies, courts, and the mass media.<br />
About 1,500 people have turned to us<br />
in four months. It is a huge array of information<br />
about human rights abuse. We<br />
also cooperate with human rights advocates<br />
and the government bodies that furnish information.<br />
As for the situation as a whole,<br />
there are two dimensions. Firstly, Russia<br />
is brazenly destroying the people’s political<br />
freedoms. This includes Russification,<br />
ban of the Crimean Tatar people’s bodies of<br />
self-organization, and persecution of activists,<br />
patriots of Ukraine, under the<br />
guise of combating extremism. Secondly,<br />
it is a mass-scale violation of socioeconomic<br />
rights, such as to housing, work, education,<br />
pension, etc. This applies to the whole<br />
population of Crimea. We include the results<br />
of our monitoring in reports to the<br />
Presidential Administration and the UN<br />
and OSCE monitoring missions.”<br />
As for the disappeared activists in<br />
Crimea, there are nongovernmental organizations<br />
that inquire into these cases.<br />
Do you cooperate with them?<br />
“It is a very delicate matter. Unfortunately,<br />
there are entities that make political<br />
or material capital out of this subject.<br />
There were instances when we were going<br />
to help people, but once the so-called human<br />
rights champions came to know about<br />
this, things went awry. We are prepared to<br />
cooperate with any entity, but our condition<br />
is that cooperation should really help<br />
the people who are detained or missing in<br />
Crimea, or their relatives. We are not<br />
hyping ourselves up. As for the disappeared<br />
persons, I advise their relatives to turn to<br />
the Representation so that we closely look<br />
into every case.”<br />
What are you doing concretely for<br />
these people?<br />
“I cannot give names. For example,<br />
there is a family in Crimea. The father was<br />
kidnapped or is behind bars. The mother is<br />
left with children who need to receive<br />
Ukrainian documents, go to the mainland,<br />
and come back. It is very difficult to<br />
do if there is only one of the parents. And<br />
we resolve this kind of problems. Another<br />
example: there is a well-known person<br />
who died in Crimea. There are his relatives<br />
in mainland Ukraine. A lot activist visited<br />
them. I asked them later if all these hypeup<br />
entities helped them, say, to file a lawsuit<br />
to an international court. The answer<br />
was ‘No.’”<br />
● INTERNATIONAL COURTS<br />
Let’s take Ukraine’s lawsuits against<br />
Russia over violations of international<br />
law. How many of them are there, who<br />
deals with them, and at what stage of examination<br />
are they now?<br />
“Various entities are responsible for<br />
this. The first is the Ministry of Justice<br />
which deals with suits to the European<br />
Court of Human Rights. There are several<br />
suits, of which two touch upon Crimea.<br />
I can’t forecast how long it will all take, but,<br />
surely, at least a few years. This ruling in<br />
this case will include a lot of documented<br />
human rights violations in Crimea on the<br />
part of Russia. The Foreign Ministry of<br />
Ukraine is also monitoring many cases, including<br />
some at the International Court of<br />
Justice on the basis of two conventions –<br />
for the suppression of the financing of terrorism<br />
and on the elimination of all forms<br />
of racial discrimination. The Crimean<br />
question is raised in the second part. It is<br />
in this part that the court ruled in 2017 to<br />
lift the ban on the Crimean Tatar people’s<br />
bodies of self-organization. This case has<br />
a lot of risks and is expected to last several<br />
years. Russia will be doing its utmost to<br />
have this case dropped. An arbitration<br />
court also begins to examine Russia’s violations<br />
of the Convention on the Law of<br />
the Sea – about the rights of Ukraine to the<br />
continental shelf and the economic zone<br />
around Crimea, restrictions on the freedom<br />
of shipping, and pollution of the Black Sea.<br />
The communication is going on, but it is<br />
confidential. One more case is being dealt<br />
with by the International Criminal Court –<br />
it directly concerns the Russian aggression.<br />
The Prosecutor General’s Office is responsible<br />
for this. From the juridical angle,<br />
this situation is at the initial stage in<br />
comparison with other lawsuits.<br />
“Besides, there are cases initiated by<br />
Ukrainian natural persons and legal entities<br />
– for example, the investment dispute<br />
of the national joint-stock company Naftohaz<br />
Ukrainy about the impossibility of using<br />
their property. These processes go<br />
fast. But here Russia evades participation.<br />
As for suits of natural persons to then ECtHR,<br />
this court says that only a few hundred<br />
people have filed complaints against<br />
the aggressor. More people have sued Russia<br />
and Ukraine at the same time. And still<br />
more people are suing Ukraine only. It is,<br />
above all, residents of the Donbas.”<br />
A number of resolutions of international<br />
organizations (UN, Council of Europe,<br />
NATO) condemn Russia’s aggression<br />
in Ukraine. Russia in fact ignores these<br />
statements. To what extent effective are<br />
these resolutions?<br />
“From the viewpoint of international<br />
law, these documents are very important.<br />
But still more important will be the binding<br />
rulings of courts. Firstly, the acts of international<br />
organizations are taken into account<br />
in the abovementioned judicial decisions.<br />
Secondly, they constitute the<br />
grounds for imposing sanctions against the<br />
aggressor.”<br />
The Russian president said recently<br />
that they are prepared to return the<br />
Ukrainian warships they had seized in<br />
Crimea. What do you think of this?<br />
“Word has it that the Russians are<br />
preparing a ‘heavenly nook’ for their powers<br />
that be in Balaclava. So it is necessary<br />
to move Russian ships from this bay to Sevastopol.<br />
But there are the captured ships<br />
of the Ukrainian Navy there. On the one<br />
hand, they want to solve their questions of<br />
self-interest about Balaclava, but, on the<br />
other hand, if we agree, they will say: look,<br />
we maintain good relations with Ukrainians,<br />
we are tackling the problem of Crimea,<br />
and they are taking back their junk. They<br />
expect us to swallow the bait, for it costs<br />
a pretty penny to recycle some equipment<br />
on the mainland.<br />
“Undoubtedly, Ukraine must increase<br />
its military presence in the Black Sea.<br />
However, what really matters here is people,<br />
not hardware. Unfortunately, 2014<br />
showed the true level of the will to resist on<br />
the part of some Ukrainian servicemen,<br />
particularly the naval personnel. We are<br />
sure not to return Crimea with the help of<br />
those who surrendered Crimea and bargained<br />
over a trouble-free removal of property<br />
from the officers’ apartments.”<br />
Are you accusing these people of surrendering<br />
Crimea?<br />
“I am not putting the blame on them,<br />
but I want to see an investigation and a trial.<br />
I am only stating a well-known fact. How<br />
many Ukrainian servicemen left Crimea,<br />
how many remained behind, how many of<br />
those who left offered resistance? The<br />
figures are very different.”<br />
What is Crimea today in military<br />
terms?<br />
“The peninsula is becoming a beachhead<br />
of Russia’s further aggression. Obviously,<br />
the presence of Russia in Syria and<br />
its plans about the Mediterranean region<br />
would be impossible without presence in<br />
Crimea. Therefore, let me say it gain, only<br />
a victory of civilized nations in the undeclared<br />
war with Russia can resolve the<br />
Crimean question. Militarily, Russia obviously<br />
poses a threat to Ukraine from<br />
Crimea. There can be nuclear weapons on<br />
the peninsula because the necessary capacities<br />
are available.”<br />
● THE CRIMEAN TATAR<br />
QUESTION<br />
What is your attitude to the Crimean<br />
Tatar autonomy?<br />
“This topic is politicized very much. In<br />
1991, the Supreme Council of what was still<br />
Soviet Ukraine restored the Crimean Autonomous<br />
Soviet Socialist Republic. I<br />
stress: restored. In other words, this envisioned<br />
autonomy for Crimea’s indigenous<br />
peoples. From 1992 until 2014 Ukraine had<br />
to make endless concessions to Russia<br />
about Crimea and autonomy.<br />
“The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine recognizes<br />
the UN declaration on indigenous<br />
peoples. Today, we are to let the Crimean<br />
Tatar people exercise their right to self-determination<br />
within the limits of Ukraine.<br />
How? There are several ways. The first is<br />
to introduce amendments to the Constitution.<br />
A task force is working on changes to<br />
Article 10 of the Constitution (Autonomous<br />
Republic of Crimea). The second<br />
is connected with disapproving he law on<br />
indigenous peoples. But the registered<br />
drafts of this law suggest controversial conclusions.<br />
My position is that there should<br />
be autonomy.”<br />
There is an idea of holding the Comprehensive<br />
Testing of Applicants in Kherson<br />
oblast. What is your attitude to this?<br />
“Territorially, the autonomy already<br />
exists – it is the Autonomous Republic of<br />
Crimea. In my view, we in mainland<br />
Ukraine can only speak of the state’s overall<br />
duty to preserve the cultural, economic,<br />
and social rights of indigenous peoples.”<br />
Would it be a good idea to assign<br />
quotas in administrative bodies for Mejlis<br />
members?<br />
“Quotas in the executive bodies of<br />
government on the basis of ethnicity contravene<br />
the law of Ukraine. It is absurd. We<br />
have representative bodies, where this<br />
can be discussed in theory – for example,<br />
elections to the Ukrainian parliament and<br />
local councils coupled with the formation<br />
of ethnic constituencies. Quotas for political<br />
offices? It’s possible. But the Mejlis is<br />
a special case. Anyway, this should be applied<br />
to the bodies that will function in<br />
Crimea after deoccupation.”<br />
What is the Representation doing to<br />
protect the cultural and educational rights<br />
of Crimean Tatars?<br />
“We are not dispensers of budgetary<br />
funds. Unfortunately, we don’t have a law<br />
on indigenous people. For this reason,<br />
funding is only possible through the program<br />
of protecting the deported. These<br />
funds are used, for example, to finance the<br />
ATR TV channel. In general, it is the domain<br />
of the Ministry of Social Policies. On our<br />
part, we stay in touch with all executive and<br />
local government bodies. We care about a<br />
Crimean Tatar language school in Novooleksiivka,<br />
Henichesk raion. We lobbied technical<br />
assistance and demanded that the local<br />
authorities resolve the heating problem.<br />
We are in contact with all the local Mejlises<br />
and ready to support projects, particularly<br />
those of international organizations.”<br />
● CRIMEAN TITAN<br />
Why and how does the Crimean Titan<br />
plant work? Where does it take the raw<br />
material (ilmenite) and electric power?<br />
“The plant really works. Some reports<br />
say that raw materials are delivered from<br />
Ukraine and other countries. It is a serious<br />
problem,andweareraisingitbeforethelawenforcement<br />
bodies. As for electric power<br />
supply, this fact has not been proven for a<br />
simplereason–thepowergridsoperatorsays<br />
this does not occur. It is impossible to prove<br />
the opposite unless you control the grids.<br />
Andtheregionalpowersupplycompanysues<br />
those who say that electricity is being furnished.<br />
I am not so rich and will not make<br />
this kind of statements. But I want law-enforcerstodosomething.Icanassureyouthat<br />
his activity will be put an end to. Titan’s<br />
products are used in the aggressor’s military<br />
industry.Weaponsarebeingmadeunderour<br />
nose perhaps to destroy us. Besides, this poses<br />
an environmental problem – the pollution<br />
of Sivash and air. Incidentally, let us say the<br />
truth: this also existed before the war.”<br />
● ILLEGAL TRANSPORTATIONS<br />
You have repeatedly said in the media<br />
about illegal transportations in<br />
Crimea. What’s the crux of the matter?<br />
“The main problem is that checkpoints<br />
to Crimea have no legal transport communication<br />
today. Motor transport is divided<br />
there into three groups. The first is former<br />
interregional buses that used to run before<br />
the war. They ride up to the checkpoint, passengers<br />
cross the administrative border,<br />
while the ‘twin’ of this bus is waiting on the<br />
other side. And our gallant Transport Safety<br />
Service is trying to say that this is lawful.<br />
Tickets to Kerch are not sold in mainland<br />
Ukraine, and there is no such stop as<br />
checkpoint. The second group is totally illegal<br />
taxi minibuses which pick up people<br />
at the checkpoint and carry them further<br />
on. The friends Franklin, Grant, and Jackson<br />
[portraits of US presidents on dollar<br />
bills. – Ed.] help solve all problems with the<br />
Transport Safety Service, the local authorities,<br />
and the police. The third group is<br />
taxi drivers. It is the only category that can<br />
carry people through the checkpoint without<br />
changing. Taxi drivers can cross the line<br />
with the Russian side’s permission. This<br />
strong corrupt chain also comprises our officials<br />
who oversee transport. All this occurs<br />
under the surveillance of Russian<br />
special services. Everybody smiles because<br />
everybody cashes in. We will not put up<br />
with this. Incidentally, we are raising the<br />
question of deploying National Guard units<br />
in Henichesk raion. We must admit that the<br />
state has lost control of this district to some<br />
extent. It is a big headache for the local executive<br />
authorities.”<br />
What is the way out of the situation?<br />
“We want to extend the railway communication<br />
as far as ‘Vadym’ station so<br />
that passengers can almost reach the checkpoint.<br />
We are trying to see to it that bus<br />
routes should be at last opened on a competitive<br />
basis. At the moment, it is enough<br />
to make a stop near the checkpoint, put up<br />
a ticket-selling booth – and it will be a legal<br />
route station. It is the Kherson Oblast<br />
Administration that should invite bids<br />
because it is interregional communication.<br />
I don’t know why this hasn’t been<br />
done in all these years. Raion administrations<br />
are not raising this question either.<br />
We wrote letters to the oblast administration,<br />
convened conferences, and informed<br />
the Transport Safety Service about<br />
illegal carriers. They are essentially turning<br />
a deaf ear to us. You know, it is easy to<br />
‘clip coupons’ while it is illegal. But when<br />
it becomes legal, everybody will be paying<br />
taxes and nobody will be cheating.”
4<br />
No.9 FEBRUARY 13, 2018<br />
TOPIC OF THE DAY<br />
WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />
By Mykola SIRUK<br />
Britain is in the process of leaving the EU,<br />
but this does not mean that the UK will<br />
pay less attention to Ukraine, which it<br />
has traditionally supported on the path<br />
of Euro-Atlantic integration. This was<br />
made clear by British Ambassador Judith Gough<br />
in her second interview for Den/The Day during<br />
her tenure as head of the diplomatic mission in<br />
Kyiv. Moreover, at the end of the conversation,<br />
the ambassador, who tweets in Ukrainian,<br />
assured that the next interview would be given<br />
not in English, but in Ukrainian.<br />
● “THE RESPONSIBILITY<br />
FOR RESOLVING THIS SITUATION<br />
LIES WITH RUSSIA”<br />
Ambassador Judith GOUGH: “Ukraine continues<br />
to remain a priority for us and we continue to support<br />
Ukraine and remain in solidarity with Ukraine”<br />
Ambassador, you recently participated in<br />
launching the Learn and Discern initiative and you<br />
said there that “Ukraine is setting an example for<br />
the rest of the world, and in particular for my country.”<br />
Can you elaborate what you meant?<br />
“I think with Ukraine engaged in a very difficult<br />
hybrid conflict with Russia, it is clear that information<br />
has been and will continue to be<br />
weaponized. And what we see in Ukraine is that<br />
your leaders and ministers have a very clear understanding<br />
of this. And I think your education<br />
minister has taken a very wise decision, which is to<br />
ensure that the education curriculum contains an<br />
element of media literacy and critical thinking. I<br />
think this is very important, something we will also<br />
look at. Because we now have so many different<br />
sources of information, but we have not necessaring<br />
is that there is somehow some blame to be put<br />
on the international community, the fact is, Russia<br />
needs to take steps that deliver on security. And<br />
we continue to encourage Russia to do so – the sanctions<br />
remain, we continue to push for progress on<br />
Ukraine. Ukraine is one of the issues in our relationships<br />
upon which we very strongly disagree with<br />
Russia.”<br />
● “THE UKRAINIAN SIDE IS NOT<br />
ACTUALLY ASKING US FOR THESE<br />
SORTS OF WEAPONS”<br />
Perhaps another way of supporting Ukraine<br />
could be for Britain to supply lethal weapons. What<br />
will you say about this?<br />
“We have no plans to do so at the moment. Firstly,<br />
the Ukrainian side is not actually asking us for<br />
these sorts of weapons. Secondly, we have already<br />
done a lot to assist Ukraine in terms of increasing<br />
its capability to defend itself. We have now trained<br />
seven thousand Ukrainian troops, we still have our<br />
military operation Op Orbital actively engaged in<br />
Ukraine, providing training through our forces.<br />
“The feedback that we have from your ministers<br />
of the armed forces is that this training is useful.<br />
For example, that medical training that we have<br />
provided has saved lives on the battlefield: where<br />
previously your soldiers would die, some of the techniques<br />
that we have shown them have prevented<br />
that loss of life on the battlefield. But I think it is<br />
really important to note that the assistance is<br />
there, and we continue to provide it.”<br />
● “BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM HAS ITS<br />
LIMITATIONS, AND I COMPLETELY<br />
UNDERSTAND UKRAINIAN<br />
FRUSTRATIONS”<br />
As is known, the Budapest Memorandum was<br />
signed by four gentlemen, heads of four states,<br />
including British Prime Minister John Major.<br />
And now it is called a mere piece of paper, why<br />
has it happened?<br />
“You ask me this question every time!<br />
(Laughs.) Well, Ukraine, the United Kingdom,<br />
and the United States have not broken their ob-<br />
Photo by Ruslan KANIUKA, The Day<br />
On the role of the monarchy, Minsk II,<br />
and the Budapest Memorandum<br />
ligations such as they are in that memorandum.<br />
The one country that has broken its obligations under<br />
that memorandum, and indeed, a number of<br />
other international legal obligations, is Russia.<br />
“Now, if we go back to that piece of paper,<br />
what it says is that in the event that a party breaks<br />
its obligations that the parties will convene to talk<br />
about it. Now, we tried that in March 2014 in<br />
Paris, I was there with our foreign minister Lord<br />
Hague, John Kerry was there, and your foreign<br />
minister Mr. Deshchytsia was also there.<br />
Mr. Lavrov was in Paris at the time but he did not<br />
turn up.<br />
“So, the Budapest Memorandum has its limitations,<br />
and I completely understand Ukrainian<br />
frustrations, but I think the key point is not that<br />
the United Kingdom or the United States have failed<br />
to live up to the obligations under that memorandum;<br />
the fact is that it’s Russia who has done so.<br />
If you look at the support that both the United Kingdom<br />
and the United States have provided since<br />
2014, I think it shows that these two countries are<br />
very, very committed to the territorial integrity and<br />
the sovereignty of Ukraine. We have shown that by<br />
not just our military aid, if not lethal assistance,<br />
but by our political support for Ukraine.”<br />
Don’t you think that the West, meaning Europe<br />
and the US, cannot currently cope with Russia,<br />
which is becoming an increasingly revisionist<br />
country, due to a lack of political leadership?<br />
We know an example of the opposite, when<br />
Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan stopped<br />
an “evil empire” and even broke it in their time,<br />
but today it is restored again.<br />
“I disagree with two parts of your question.<br />
The first thing, the Soviet Union did not fall because<br />
of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan,<br />
it fell because the economic model was totally broken,<br />
and because Soviet republics, such as<br />
Ukraine, wanted to go their separate ways. Obviously,<br />
there were moments in history where certain<br />
people were able to ensure that transition was<br />
actually a peaceful transition. But I would not<br />
characterize it as those two people bringing down<br />
an empire.<br />
“I don’t like the term ‘evil empire,’ because I<br />
think it wrongly demonizes a nation. We have is-<br />
Ukraine’s biggest issue at the moment is<br />
bringing Russian aggression in the east to an end<br />
and returning the occupied territories under<br />
Ukrainian control. There are many suggestions and<br />
plans to that end, including the deployment of a<br />
peacekeeping mission in the Donbas. However,<br />
there is still no progress, despite the active involvement<br />
of the US since last year, including that<br />
of Special Representative Kurt Volker, who held<br />
a series of talks with his Russian counterpart<br />
Vladislav Surkov. In your opinion, what should be<br />
done to force Russia to comply with the Minsk<br />
Agreements’ terms and leave Ukraine?<br />
“If you think why we have sanctions in place –<br />
we have a very clear and principled position on<br />
Ukraine and on Russia, and certainly from the United<br />
Kingdom’s perspective, I think that’s also<br />
shared by the European Union, I think we should<br />
take heart from the fact that the sanctions have actually<br />
remained in place for such a long period of<br />
time. But I think we have to be very clear that the<br />
responsibility for resolving this lies with Russia,<br />
and I think it is very hard to see any progress until<br />
Russia ensures that there is a ceasefire which is<br />
sustainable and that heavy weapons are pulled back.<br />
So really, I think the onus remains on Russia. I suspect<br />
that we will see very little progress this side of<br />
the Russian presidential elections, but maybe past<br />
that, we may see some further progress, but it all<br />
depends on Russia.”<br />
Then it may be necessary to stop coaxing Russia<br />
and start imposing harsher sanctions instead.<br />
Can we expect such steps from the United Kingdom?<br />
“There is already a set of sanctions there, it is<br />
international position. But what you are suggestsues<br />
with Russia’s leadership and the decisions<br />
taken by Russia’s leadership, the biggest of them<br />
being the annexation of Crimea and events in the<br />
Donbas, but we want to have a good relationship<br />
with Russia.<br />
“We are not Russophobic, we do not have a<br />
policy which is defined on rejecting Russia or<br />
Russian people. For example, what we saw on December<br />
22, our foreign secretary Boris Johnson,<br />
who has been to Ukraine twice already, made a trip<br />
to Moscow, because it’s important that we continue<br />
to engage and talk to Russia. There are areas<br />
such as Ukraine where we strongly disagree,<br />
we have made very, very clear these points, but<br />
there areas where, both of us being members of the<br />
UN Security Council, permanent members, we<br />
have to discuss, we need a relationship. We want<br />
to see Russia as a successful, responsible member<br />
of the international community. What we do<br />
not want is a Russia that challenges the international<br />
order and illegally interferes within internal<br />
affairs of its neighbors. We want to see a responsible<br />
Russia that is a net contributor to<br />
global security. But what we cannot ignore is what<br />
Russia has done and continues to do with Ukraine,<br />
and that is why we remain very, very committed<br />
to supporting Ukraine.”<br />
● “WE – AND OUR PARTNERS DO TOO –<br />
NEED TO DO EVEN MORE TO<br />
COUNTER DISINFORMATION”<br />
Ambassador, Prime Minister Theresa May said<br />
recently that Russia was “seeking to weaponize information.<br />
Deploying its state-run media organizations<br />
to plant fake stories and photo-shopped images<br />
in an attempt to sow discord in the West and<br />
undermine our institutions. We know what you are<br />
doing.” Was not your nation much too slow to reach<br />
this conclusion?<br />
“We have always been alert to the threats that<br />
our country faces. We are a country that has very<br />
effective military, very effective intelligence services,<br />
and a high degree of awareness of the threats.<br />
I think what you are referring to is a recent acknowledgement<br />
that we have to build on our existing<br />
capabilities to understand and counter even<br />
more issues of disinformation. This is nothing new<br />
for us, it’s not like we have suddenly woken up to<br />
the threat. We have been working with Ukrainian<br />
colleagues here and understand only too well – the<br />
issue is that Ukraine is at the forefront of all of this<br />
in so many ways. But we understand that we – and<br />
I think our partners do too – need to do even more<br />
to counter disinformation in an age when people are<br />
but one finger away from all sorts of stories on their<br />
personal devices that can inform and misinform.”<br />
Yesterday [the interview was recorded on February<br />
7], The Guardian published an article in<br />
which Theresa May made the statement that the<br />
decline of local journalism was dangerous for<br />
democracy, so the state had to react in some way<br />
to such a situation. In your opinion, is it the right<br />
decision for the government to take measures to<br />
keep the local press afloat?<br />
“I think there is a challenge that a lot of local<br />
newspapers face and social media rise to the heart<br />
of this. We have seen an awful lot of our local newspapers<br />
go out of business, because that local model<br />
is no longer profitable. Why do you need to go to<br />
your local newspaper, when you can for example<br />
have a local social media group that reports on local<br />
issues, citizen journalism.<br />
“My suspicion is that there is an acknowledgement<br />
that local journalism, its model is threatened.<br />
But people want to ensure that we have<br />
quality, independent, reliable journalism which is<br />
really important for democracy in the United<br />
Kingdom and for democracy in Ukraine – to have<br />
these good, quality, professional journalists who are<br />
ready to report independently, and to hold governments,<br />
civil servants, people like myself to account.”<br />
● ON LEARN AND DISCERN INITIATIVE,<br />
MEDIA LITERACY, AND CRITICAL<br />
THINKING
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ily equipped people with means by which they can<br />
interrogate that information and understand<br />
whether that is believable, where is a reliable<br />
source, whether it’s disinformation, whether it’s<br />
true or not true. So, this is a pilot project in<br />
50 schools in Ukraine, but I think this is really important<br />
that we all learn from Ukrainian experience.”<br />
● “DEFINING AN EVENT AS GENOCIDE<br />
IS A DECISION FOR THE COURTS”<br />
Recently, it has become known that the Israeli<br />
parliament, the Knesset, is about to recognize the<br />
Holodomor as a genocide of the Ukrainian people.<br />
And when is the parliament of your country going<br />
to make such a step?<br />
“I can refer you back to recent discussions and<br />
debates in our House of Commons, and that’s all<br />
available on the public record. But I think the answer<br />
is very simple: we do not believe that defining<br />
an event as genocide is a decision for governments.<br />
This is a decision for the courts, because it<br />
is a point of law. There is a legal definition which<br />
has defined it in international law. So, we believe<br />
that is a judgment that is best made by the courts,<br />
and we will allow the courts to make that judgment<br />
themselves. But of course, we are very, very clear<br />
that Holodomor was a terrific tragedy which killed<br />
millions of Ukrainians, and it was a manmade<br />
tragedy in which large majority of those who suffered<br />
were Ukrainians. We are not seeking to<br />
downgrade what happened at all. But it is a part of<br />
our principles: on any event of this type we defer<br />
to the courts.”<br />
In this country, a court recognized the<br />
Holodomor as genocide of the Ukrainian people.<br />
Can it play a role, then, in your country recognizing<br />
the Holodomor as genocide, as over two dozen<br />
countries have already done?<br />
“No, it would have to be a court with jurisdiction<br />
that would be relevant to the UK.”<br />
Does this mean that Ukraine should bring this<br />
issue for consideration before a British court?<br />
“It’s not for me to advise Ukrainians on what<br />
they should do. You asked me to explain government<br />
policy, our government policy is that we do<br />
not take a view, we leave that to court to take a<br />
view.”<br />
● “IT IS IMPORTANT TO GIVE<br />
CREDIBILITY TO THE FIGHT AGAINST<br />
CORRUPTION IN THIS COUNTRY”<br />
And now it is logical to turn to the issue of justice.<br />
A British newspaper recently reported that<br />
several British judges would work in a Kazakhstani<br />
court of appeals. On Monday, your colleague,<br />
EU Ambassador to Ukraine Hugues Mingarelli,<br />
told a party of the Euro-optimists: “You<br />
have the best team, ensure that you have an honest<br />
referee, and believe me, you will be unable to<br />
lose.” My question, then, is whether there is any<br />
possibility of British judges coming to sit on<br />
Ukrainian courts and perhaps taking part in the<br />
creation of an anti-corruption court, which Ukraine<br />
has made a commitment to create.<br />
“You would have to ask Ukrainian government<br />
leadership for that, because obviously, that would<br />
have to be their decision as to whether they want it –<br />
people from outside to come in and provide that kind<br />
of assistance. The Kazakh government has taken a<br />
very clear decision, it wants to borrow British legal<br />
system and they need the expertise to do that.<br />
“Obviously, if the government of Ukraine<br />
makes any subject question, we will answer it. The<br />
key thing for us is to support Ukraine and encourage<br />
Ukraine in reforming the judiciary.<br />
“When I talk to people, one of the biggest<br />
problems that is always quoted is a lack of faith<br />
and belief in the judiciary, and a lack of faith and<br />
belief that people would receive a prompt and fair<br />
trial. And that’s important for the Ukrainian<br />
electorate – belief in institutions. I think it’s also<br />
important for any investor who comes to<br />
Ukraine. When I talk to potential British investors,<br />
they are concerned that they will not<br />
have access to fair and independent justice. So<br />
that’s why we support judiciary reform, but obviously,<br />
it has to be a system and a solution that<br />
works for Ukraine.<br />
“The British legal system is very different, and<br />
we have been practicing it for 800 years. That may<br />
or may not work in Ukraine. The key thing is that<br />
Ukraine finds a solution that works in this environment,<br />
and the anti-corruption court is a priority,<br />
that’s a condition for IMF program, and something<br />
the EU is pushing for as well. It is important<br />
to give credibility to the fight against corruption<br />
in this country, but there should be a wider judicial<br />
reform as well.”<br />
Ambassador, as the local representative of the<br />
United Kingdom, you are a member of the G7 ambassadorial<br />
group. What does your country see as<br />
the priorities of this group?<br />
“The G7 ambassadors’ support group exists to<br />
support and encourage the Ukrainian reformer efforts.<br />
And occasionally, we think things are not going<br />
in the right direction, and when we think it’s<br />
helpful we point that out. I think I would direct you<br />
to the brand-new webpage and Twitter account of<br />
the Canadian presidency which is really very useful<br />
as it outlines five priorities for the work of the<br />
G7. They are actually the Ukrainian government’s<br />
priorities. So, what we have done, is focus very, very<br />
clearly on Prime Minister Hroisman’s reform action<br />
plan, translated that into a very clearly set of<br />
objectives.<br />
“And we will support that work. This is not the<br />
international community imposing something on<br />
Ukraine, this is the action plan that your government<br />
has decided and wants to implement. So, those<br />
are the priorities and objectives around economic<br />
growth, it’s around tackling corruption, strengthening<br />
the institutions. You will see on that website<br />
all these areas – human capital, energy reform, privatization.”<br />
● “WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE<br />
MAINTAIN A VERY STRONG<br />
BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP WITH<br />
UKRAINE”<br />
Ambassador, your country has started the second<br />
stage of negotiations with the EU on its exit<br />
from this economic community. I wanted to ask<br />
you, how can Brexit influence future relations between<br />
our countries – do we already need to prepare<br />
an FTA agreement between the United<br />
Kingdom and Ukraine?<br />
“There is negotiation ongoing between the<br />
United Kingdom and the 27 members of the EU.<br />
around world. I know some people have had issues,<br />
we have always worked to resolve them very<br />
quickly, I don’t think they are necessarily as bad<br />
as people suggest. Obviously, when you have a<br />
particularly high number of people who experience<br />
a problem, that gets magnified, but actually,<br />
refusal rates for Ukraine are not high, and<br />
where they occur, it is largely because people have<br />
not actually completed their forms properly, in<br />
line with the instructions. We are always looking<br />
at ways how we can improve the service, but for<br />
the moment, I do not see a change in the visa<br />
regime coming.”<br />
Ambassador, we know that you visited the<br />
east of Ukraine at the end of last year. Would you<br />
like to share your impressions of the situation in<br />
that region which is bordering the occupied territories?<br />
“I have now been there twice, and it’s important<br />
as an ambassador that you get outside the capital<br />
and travel, particularly in a country as large<br />
and diverse as Ukraine. But for me, it is important<br />
to go and see the impact of the projects and programs<br />
that we are running in the east, that’s what<br />
I was doing the last time I went there. And for me,<br />
what is quite heartening is to see how British assistance<br />
is actually helping on the ground, so I visited<br />
Halo Trust who are carrying out demining –<br />
not just carrying it out, but also training Ukrainians<br />
to be able to do it. Britain is the largest demining<br />
donor in Ukraine. Our project with UNFPA<br />
which supports women, particularly on the issues<br />
of gender-based violence and consequences of conflict,<br />
we have helped 100,000 women within that<br />
program. Our project with the IOM where we are<br />
providing microfinance to small businesses, people,<br />
in particular IDPs who have come out of the<br />
“<br />
I can only talk from the United Kingdom’s experience, and what we<br />
see is that the monarchy has given us a thousand years of stability and tradition,<br />
and it plays a very important role for us. But that’s a model that works<br />
for us. We have a very specific model that is well respected and well understood.<br />
I think it is up to every country to decide on their own model. Obviously,<br />
we are extremely proud of the role of the royal family, and I am, after<br />
all, Her Majesty’s ambassador to Ukraine. But what we see in our<br />
monarchy is a huge degree of stability, continuity. The Queen has been on<br />
the throne for 66 years, that’s a lot of wisdom, a lot of continuity.<br />
”<br />
The key thing for us is that we want to remain a<br />
very close partner and friend of the European<br />
Union. This is obviously really very important for<br />
both sides. We want to have as smooth a transition<br />
as possible.<br />
“In terms of Ukraine, we want to make sure<br />
that we maintain a very strong bilateral relationship<br />
with Ukraine. We are not yet able to start formal<br />
negotiations on transition to DCFTA with<br />
Ukraine – you have virtually the DCFTA with the<br />
European Union – but obviously, we will be looking<br />
to transition to that, and we will discuss with<br />
the Ukrainian government how we might do that.<br />
But we want to ensure that we continue to trade<br />
freely with Ukraine, and indeed, we can increase<br />
trade and investment between our two countries.”<br />
Ambassador, having spent several years in<br />
Kyiv, can you say that this country’s business climate<br />
is improving and British investors need to<br />
have a greater presence here because of it?<br />
“I would like to see more inbound investment<br />
here. I think we will see more interest once privatization<br />
really gets underway. I think at the moment<br />
there is huge potential for investment coming<br />
to Ukraine, and we need to see further progress<br />
with privatization. We have just seen a law passed,<br />
and that’s really important. But people are a little<br />
skeptical because they don’t feel the corruption has<br />
yet been tackled. They say, ‘I will have again deal<br />
with corruption,’ which for a British person would<br />
be illegal even though it’s overseas, or ‘When will<br />
I be able to repatriate my profits?’ and ‘Will I get<br />
a fair hearing in a Ukrainian court?’ So, these areas<br />
are important, and I think the biggest signal<br />
that Ukraine could send that it is open for business<br />
is to show that it has made progress in tackling corruption<br />
at all levels. Because at the end of the day,<br />
it’s a competitive market, investors have choices,<br />
they don’t have to come to Ukraine.”<br />
I have heard a lot of complaints from former<br />
diplomats that Ukrainians have troubles obtaining<br />
a British visa which is issued in Warsaw. Can<br />
we expect visas coming to be issued in Kyiv after<br />
the UK leaves the EU, and possibly even a liberalization<br />
of the visa regime?<br />
“I don’t see at the moment any change to the<br />
current arrangement, where, while people apply<br />
in Kyiv, the processing is done in Warsaw. This<br />
is not unique to Ukraine, we have this model<br />
conflict area and are wanting to start up a business,<br />
but lack the capital to do so.<br />
“We are seeing how these businesses which we<br />
helped to start are now starting to flourish and<br />
grow. Because the biggest problem in Ukraine at<br />
the moment is that small and medium businesses,<br />
and in fact larger businesses, struggle to have access<br />
to credit, and it is very hard to grow and build<br />
a business if you cannot get finance. So I think the<br />
project we have there is crucially helping people.<br />
“I also try to understand situation on the<br />
ground seeing how areas come up, but of course understanding<br />
that the people in the east have lived<br />
through an extremely dramatic conflict, and its consequences<br />
will be there for a long time. It’s really<br />
important that diplomats and policymakers engage<br />
with the issues when they happen, so that it is not<br />
just theoretical exercise, and they really understand<br />
what the issues are, what conditions people live in.”<br />
At the end of last year, Darkest Hour was released<br />
in your country, and the McMafia series<br />
started showing this year. The first film depicts the<br />
period when Winston Churchill became prime minister<br />
at the beginning of the Second World War,<br />
and the series deals with the Russian mafia fighting<br />
each other in London. How do you personally<br />
perceive these films, why were they released just<br />
now?<br />
“The UK is really very good at creative industries,<br />
and producing films, and television,<br />
and music. If you look at a lot of reality show formats<br />
on television, a lot of those started in the UK,<br />
and got imitated around the world – ‘Ukraine’s Got<br />
Talent,’ ‘Voice of the Country’ – there are a whole<br />
lot of TV formats that started in the UK.<br />
“I have not seen the Darkest Hour because I<br />
want to see it in English. I think for me, part of the<br />
attraction of Churchill as a statesman was his gift<br />
for the English language. Much as I love Ukrainian<br />
language, and I am watching films in Ukrainian,<br />
this one I would like to see in English.<br />
“McMafia, I have seen two episodes of, both<br />
in the United Kingdom when I were away for<br />
Christmas, and it’s quite a tense drama, you<br />
know, it’s good for watching. We produce very<br />
good television. Every year when we have the Oscars,<br />
we are always looking for British people who<br />
have been awarded Oscars. It’s an industry that we<br />
are very proud of.”<br />
● “WE ARE VERY CLEAR THAT THE<br />
UNITED KINGDOM SHOULD NOT BE<br />
A CONDUIT FOR SUCH MONEY”<br />
Recently, your country passed legislation requiring<br />
foreigners, mainly Russians, to declare<br />
their wealth. Why was this done right now, and not<br />
before?<br />
“I don’t think it’s anything particularly new.<br />
Over the past couple of years, we have introduced<br />
legislation which has shifted the burden of proof,<br />
whereby people now have to explain where their<br />
wealth came from. You know, the UK is an open<br />
market and an open democracy. We are very proud<br />
of that fact, that’s why we are one of the world’s<br />
largest economies. But obviously, that openness is<br />
something that people with criminal intent are seeking<br />
to exploit. And I think the British government<br />
is being very aware of that, that’s why we hosted<br />
a corruption conference a few years ago. And<br />
there have been changes in legislation which shifted<br />
the burden of proof to try and make it harder for<br />
people to launder money through the United Kingdom.<br />
People will always seek to do it, but I think we<br />
are very clear that the United Kingdom should not<br />
be a conduit for such money.”<br />
Ambassador, at the end of last year, one of my<br />
colleagues met you near Sloviansk and presented<br />
you with a copy of Den’s Library book about aristocracy<br />
and history, about the monarchy, which is<br />
called The Crown. Have you read it already?<br />
“No, I have not yet read it, but it’s on my reading<br />
list.”<br />
● “THE MONARCHY HAS GIVEN US A<br />
THOUSAND YEARS OF STABILITY<br />
AND TRADITION”<br />
Last year, our publication published a series<br />
of articles devoted to the monarchies of Europe, in<br />
particular their role in maintaining links between<br />
epochs. Meanwhile, this year has been declared<br />
the year of the Hetmanate by Den/The Day.<br />
So, I would like to hear from you, as a representative<br />
of the United Kingdom, whether such an institutional<br />
arrangement as the monarchy contributes<br />
to stability in the modern world.<br />
“I can only talk from the United Kingdom’s<br />
experience, and what we see is that the monarchy<br />
has given us a thousand years of stability and tradition,<br />
and it plays a very important role for us.<br />
But that’s a model that works for us. We have a<br />
very specific model that is well respected and well<br />
understood. I think it is up to every country to decide<br />
on their own model. Obviously, we are extremely<br />
proud of the role of the royal family, and<br />
I am, after all, Her Majesty’s ambassador to<br />
Ukraine. But what we see in our monarchy is a<br />
huge degree of stability, continuity. The Queen<br />
has been on the throne for 66 years, that’s a lot<br />
of wisdom, a lot of continuity.”<br />
In the summer of last year, the international<br />
media covered the visit of Princess Kate and<br />
Prince William to Europe. When can we expect a<br />
visit of royal family members to Ukraine, which<br />
would emphasize the importance of this country<br />
as one indispensable for peace and tranquility in<br />
Europe? After all, the British journalist Lancelot<br />
Lawton highlighted precisely this in his 1935 address<br />
to the British Parliament entitled Ukraina:<br />
Europe’s Greatest Problem.<br />
“I do not have any advance exclusive schedule<br />
of the royal visits. Obviously, time will tell.<br />
“I think we have demonstrated that Ukraine is<br />
important. In the past couple of years, since I’ve<br />
been here, your prime minister and your president<br />
have both been to the United Kingdom, they had<br />
talks at No. 10 Downing Street. My foreign secretary<br />
has been here twice, and the defense secretary,<br />
we have had numerous ministerial visits. I think<br />
there is enough bilateral engagement that demonstrates<br />
that Ukraine continues to remain a priority<br />
for us and we continue to support Ukraine and<br />
remain in solidarity with Ukraine.”<br />
On the other hand, during the years of<br />
Ukraine’s independence, we had only one head of<br />
the United Kingdom government visiting, namely<br />
John Major. So, when can we expect the visit of<br />
the current prime minister, Theresa May?<br />
“Nobody can give you the answer! I can’t, we<br />
never talk about visits in advance.”<br />
Are you preparing it, perchance?<br />
“I’m not saying that (laughs).”<br />
And ending our conversation, what would you<br />
like to wish our readers?<br />
“I wish for Ukraine stability in the coming<br />
years – stability, prosperity, and security. We<br />
want to see this country succeed, and we know the<br />
path is difficult. Ukraine has made choices. We are<br />
supporting the government realize the aspirations<br />
and the goals that it has set for itself, and giving<br />
the best advice that we can to allow this country<br />
to succeed.”
6<br />
No.9 FEBRUARY 13, 2018<br />
CLOSE UP<br />
WWW.DAY.KIEV.UA<br />
By Alla DUBROVYK-ROKHOVA, The Day,<br />
Kyiv – Munich – Kyiv<br />
Step by step, humanity is relinquishing<br />
its power to take decisions by delegating<br />
it... to computer algorithms.<br />
With the development of artificial<br />
intelligence, scientists predict that<br />
humans are at risk of losing their monopoly of<br />
controlling Earth in its entirety. This topic,<br />
in particular, is addressed in the 2018 trends<br />
report “Zero Interface/Zero Decision,” which<br />
will be presented by the Netexplo Observatory<br />
at the UNESCO Headquarters during the<br />
annual Innovation Forum (February 13) and<br />
the Talent Forum (February 14-15).<br />
The authors of the report note that with<br />
the development of artificial intelligence,<br />
which requires less interference from the user<br />
side, humans move away from making a decision.<br />
And they do not even care that every algorithm<br />
embodies the ideology of its author.<br />
In addition, such carelessness is predicated on<br />
100 percent confidence that the technology in<br />
question will not be hacked by attackers, or<br />
even more importantly, intentionally designed<br />
to restrict the rights and freedoms of<br />
its user.<br />
So far, artificial intelligence is still in<br />
its early stages. However, a small number of<br />
“Digital Titans” (Google, Amazon, Facebook,<br />
Apple, Netflix, Airbnb, Tesla, and<br />
Uber to name but a few) which collect a nearly<br />
infinite mass of data about their users are<br />
working hard to create a “synthetic super<br />
brain.” And strategies which are needed to<br />
protect the user in the digital world are one<br />
of the key issues in the abovementioned report.<br />
The Day was able to discuss the challenges<br />
which the digital world poses to us, the rules<br />
of online behavior, and how the Internet can…<br />
threaten humanity with Parisa TABRIZ, who<br />
is among the 30 coolest tech professionals in<br />
the world according to Forbes.<br />
The Telegraph called her “Google’s top secret<br />
weapon.” After all, Tabriz is responsible<br />
for the security of one of the most expensive<br />
global brands – the Internet browser Google<br />
Chrome, which is daily used by about two billion<br />
users. She is 33 and dyes her hair pink. On<br />
Tabriz’s business card, her job title reads “Security<br />
Princess.” She teaches at Harvard and<br />
advises the White House.<br />
“When I started working in security, I<br />
originally was doing web security, and I think<br />
at the time it was considered very lame.<br />
“Cross-site scripting was the first vulnerability<br />
I knew about, and I found ways to<br />
do it, but everyone was like, ‘it does not matter.’<br />
You know, nothing is actually happening<br />
on the web where security matters.<br />
That’s really changed now. It was especially<br />
Google. Gmail, search, history, dark search,<br />
and Drive are actually our applications. So<br />
what once was kind of lame vulnerability,<br />
now can actually lead to theft of updater. So,<br />
one thing is that web security has just become<br />
much more important.<br />
“When I started in security, a lot of<br />
hacking was done by people who were just interested<br />
in exploring, understanding how<br />
systems worked, maybe pulling pranks on<br />
people, but kind of doing it for fun in some<br />
ways, or as a hobby. Whereas now, you just<br />
see like crime has really moved from being<br />
mostly done on the streets to now being done<br />
online. We just see it: it’s not jokes anymore.<br />
It is really an active threat to people’s<br />
identities, to their safety in the real world,<br />
to their property and data.<br />
“We [Google. – Author] have the best of<br />
the best security, I think it is way better than<br />
when I joined. I think the approach that we<br />
have in Chrome and in general other technologies<br />
too, where you have layered defense<br />
and technologies actually makes exploitation<br />
much harder, but you also have software that<br />
is vulnerable.<br />
“How to protect people<br />
from technology?”<br />
White House adviser and Google’s “secret weapon”<br />
speaks about challenges of “technological revolutions”<br />
● EXPECT TROUBLES FROM PROGRAMS<br />
WHICH DO NOT REQUIRE UPDATES<br />
How about an example?<br />
“It makes you think about just the range<br />
that is available. I think about the Internet of<br />
Things, and how it’s exciting that people can<br />
really get anything connected to the Internet<br />
– your light bulb, your toaster... But a lot<br />
of people haven’t thought about how you can<br />
actually update that software. For me, there<br />
is no such thing as a fully secure system connected<br />
to the Internet. So, when I hear ‘our<br />
company is making very, very cheap software,<br />
and you don’t actually have to update them,’ –<br />
I just know that there is going to be some<br />
problems.<br />
Photo courtesy of the author<br />
“It’s both cool that it is so easily accessible.<br />
On the one hand, I see programming classes<br />
being available to kids, and that’s really exciting,<br />
that you can learn technology at an<br />
early age, and it’s very powerful to learn those<br />
skills and be able to apply them. At the same<br />
time, when we have a lot more people who are<br />
creating technology, you know, if they are doing<br />
it in a wrong way, then it could lead to a<br />
lot of security problems.”<br />
● THE INTERNET IS NOT OWNED<br />
BY ANY COUNTRY. WHO SHOULD<br />
PROTECT IT, AND HOW?<br />
Last month at the annual economic forum<br />
in Davos, many world leaders, including<br />
French President Emmanuel Macron,<br />
spoke about the great number of challenges<br />
facing humanity because of the cascade of<br />
technological revolutions that we are experiencing.<br />
Can you rank these challenges?<br />
What is frightening you, as the “Security<br />
Princess,” in the development of the web<br />
space?<br />
“I do not know specifically what point he<br />
was making, but in general, I see it like, you<br />
know, more and more business and financial<br />
dependence on the Internet. You start thinking,<br />
‘OK, how are we going to regulate and<br />
protect the Internet, as the Internet is not<br />
owned by any country, right?’ It’s a fully interconnected<br />
global system. In some ways<br />
that’s quite cool that no country owns it, but<br />
it also means that it’s much harder to protect,<br />
and you really rely on kind of a standards<br />
process, which again, no one person<br />
owns.<br />
“But within technology space and in<br />
Chrome, we think like, ‘What are these Internet<br />
protocols that are secure?’ We work with<br />
other experts around the world and we come<br />
together and say, ‘OK, we don’t want any<br />
company or any country to own this, but what<br />
is a secure protocol that the Internet can use?’<br />
But that’s a very slow process. You know, we<br />
learned things over time. One of the concerning<br />
things is just how fast the technology is<br />
evolving. In some ways it’s evolving faster<br />
than we know how to think about it from a legal<br />
perspective, from a regulation perspective.<br />
And keeping peace with that and figuring<br />
out how to keep people safe from that is<br />
just a really big challenge.<br />
“You have these large industrial power<br />
plants or water filtration systems, or power<br />
grid, and these systems were not built with<br />
security in mind. I mean, you actually saw<br />
this with Stuxnet, which was a malware that<br />
ended up infecting Iranian nuclear plant,<br />
and it infected PLCs, which are programmable<br />
logic controllers, as it made them go really,<br />
really fast, until they broke. You can<br />
see it as an example of malware that actually<br />
can take down a nuclear power plant. You<br />
can imagine how dead serious is that. If you<br />
have a power grid that’s connected to the Internet,<br />
something can go wrong. How we are<br />
actually thinking about updating those systems<br />
is a big challenge, but I know something<br />
is being done by the very top-of-line<br />
people.”<br />
● ON BLOCK CHAIN (*): PEOPLE ARE<br />
JUST GOING CRAZY ABOUT IT<br />
What do you think about the cryptocurrency<br />
boom? Is it safe?<br />
“I personally don’t use cryptocurrency.”<br />
Why?<br />
“I think I’m very conservative when it<br />
comes to investing. So, I am happy to let other<br />
people get a lot of money, but it’s very<br />
risky, so I don’t gamble.<br />
“I think, the US dollar is pretty stable, so<br />
I feel OK with that. My dad came from the<br />
country where the currency inflation happened,<br />
and he ended up thinking about gold<br />
and diamonds as a stable asset. So, cryptocurrency<br />
is not for me.”<br />
And what do you think about the technology<br />
behind the block chain? Is not it a technology<br />
of the future?<br />
“Yes. I think there are applications for it.<br />
I think right now, in some ways, everyone is<br />
trying to solve everything with the block<br />
chain. I think there is more excitement than<br />
probably what it needs. I make jokes that<br />
everyone is going to solve global warming<br />
with the block chain, which we really cannot<br />
do. But I think that like many other types of<br />
cryptography, there will be purposes for it<br />
and usages for it.<br />
“Every time you have a new technology<br />
boom, everyone is going a little bit crazy, trying<br />
to solve all the problems. You know, like<br />
with 3D movies, everyone wants to have 3D<br />
movies, and now I feel like, we are at the point<br />
of ‘there are some good 3D movies, but not<br />
everyone is doing 3D.’ There will be some good<br />
applications of block chain, but right now,<br />
people are going a little bit crazy about it.”<br />
● ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS<br />
A WEAPON. IT CAN ATTACK<br />
AND PROTECT<br />
Do you think artificial intelligence can<br />
enhance cybersecurity?<br />
“Yes, I think that with every new technology,<br />
it can help defense, it can also potentially<br />
help offense. In machine learning a
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lot of advances have happened recently – I<br />
remember in college I took artificial intelligence<br />
class, and it was really boring, because<br />
it just wasn’t something that you could really<br />
use, it was more work and didn’t actually<br />
yield interesting results. I think that now we<br />
are seeing machine learning be able to definitely<br />
detect anomalous activity, which<br />
could be an attacker, and be able to detect<br />
abusive comments in social networks, like be<br />
able to find people who are harassing other<br />
people.<br />
“But in the same way, you can imagine<br />
how this is potentially useful for an attacker.<br />
Every new technology, it can be used for good<br />
and bad.<br />
“We use machine intelligence to solve a lot<br />
of different problems at Google, and we are<br />
definitely trying use intrusion detection, being<br />
able to detect: ‘Oh, this is malicious behavior<br />
or something.’”<br />
Are you able to predict attacks?<br />
“I don’t think we will be able to get to the<br />
point where we can predict it, but you can<br />
sort of say, ‘this is suspicious, and either it<br />
should be blocked or we should do some kind<br />
of manual review to look into it.’ The work<br />
with abuse detection also relies on machine<br />
intelligence. Something we have done actually<br />
in Chrome is to use machine intelligence<br />
to determine whether a page is trying to fish<br />
data. For this, we have done things like constantly<br />
updating the learning model. And it<br />
is kind of learning based on other behaviors<br />
and other side actions as well.”<br />
● CYBER SECURITY IS A PLANETARY<br />
ISSUE<br />
How does international law protect users<br />
of the web space? I know that you advise the<br />
White House, can you say that the US legal<br />
system regulates best what is happening on<br />
the global Internet?<br />
“My mom is Polish, she is from Poland,<br />
my dad is from Iran, I grew up in the US, I<br />
have friends from all over the world, and so,<br />
in some ways, I think of myself as a citizen<br />
of the world. In some ways, the Internet is<br />
cool because it’s not anyone’s country, and<br />
protecting people on the Internet feels like<br />
just a very important role, and determining<br />
how it should be on the Internet, not just<br />
thinking about your own country – it is a<br />
challenge.<br />
“I have my own experience, and knowing<br />
what it is like to be a user in India, or to be a<br />
user in Brazil, or to be a user in, you know,<br />
Africa, it’s constantly something I’m learning<br />
about.<br />
“When I went to South Africa for the first<br />
time, I learned that they actually use their<br />
phones for mobile payments much more commonly<br />
than in the US, and so the attacks to the<br />
mobile finance system are much more sophisticated.<br />
“So it’s always interesting for me to learn<br />
what software is popular in the country, what<br />
attacks are popular, what defenses are popular.<br />
It’s a huge challenge, but I think it’s also<br />
very cool.”<br />
What can you say about a cyber attack on<br />
Ukraine that used a new model of Petya virus<br />
(*)? The CIA has stated that this was the<br />
work of Russian hackers, do you agree?<br />
“Yeah, and I think it was vulnerable Microsoft<br />
Windows software.<br />
“I think this is a really good example<br />
where updates are just important, because<br />
in that case, Microsoft Windows patches<br />
were available, but the system just had not<br />
been updated. That’s where things like<br />
Chrome Automatic Updates is really nice,<br />
because it just makes sure that the software<br />
really up to date. But I don’t know any<br />
specifics of who did it. I just read about it in<br />
the news.”<br />
● TO WORK FOR GOOGLE’S CYBER<br />
SECURITY, ONE MUST HAVE A LOT<br />
OF PATIENCE AND CURIOSITY<br />
What basic skills are you looking for in a<br />
person you are willing to hire at Google’s security<br />
department?<br />
“First, we really want people who want to<br />
make software more secure and protect users,<br />
and I think that’s very, very important,<br />
right? We are wondering what the motivation<br />
of people is, because, if it’s purely money, and<br />
they don’t care about user’s security, there<br />
are other places that they can work for and get<br />
their money from. But we really want people<br />
to actually care about user’s security and also<br />
care about Google products.<br />
“I think security is a field where you are<br />
always learning, and there are common classes<br />
of problems that happen, but you are constantly<br />
learning new technologies because<br />
whenever new technology comes, you need to<br />
learn it, because that’s where will be the potential<br />
for attack. So we are looking for people<br />
who like to learn new things constantly<br />
and are very, very curious. You know, in a<br />
movie you see somebody being able to hack into<br />
a system in a couple of minutes, in reality it<br />
doesn’t happen that fast. You actually have to<br />
be a very disciplined and hard worker, and<br />
very patient, sometimes even a little bit stubborn<br />
in finding the way to solve the problem.<br />
“I think with security it is similar in some<br />
ways to other creative fields. Like in art we<br />
are looking for people with portfolios as well.<br />
A lot of people who apply, they have found<br />
these vulnerabilities and can point to them, or<br />
By Maria CHADIUK<br />
The shelf has a sign reading “I don’t<br />
remember the title, but the cover<br />
was red.” Librarian Bart Leib<br />
tweeted a photo, which started a<br />
discussion of library problems. In<br />
805 comments, Twitter users shared their<br />
childhood impressions of librarians as<br />
done this work to actually make software<br />
more secure.<br />
“All of that put together actually leads to<br />
a very, very small number of people. I mean,<br />
we always want to hire more people than those<br />
that we find. So, I think it’s a really good field<br />
for kids or other people to be thinking about,<br />
because the needs for more people working in<br />
cyber security are very high.<br />
“There’s a myth that you have to be genius,<br />
or only interested in engineering or technology,<br />
but in cyber security we need a lot of<br />
different skills. We need lawyers and people<br />
who think about psychology, human factors,<br />
and user interface to come together and help<br />
keep people safe.”<br />
● “MY INBOX DETERMINES WHAT<br />
THE DAY WILL BE LIKE”<br />
You have a pretty cute job title, which<br />
reads “Security Princess.” Will you tell us<br />
the story behind it?<br />
“When I joined Google, my official job title<br />
was ‘information security engineer’ in the information<br />
security engineering team, and I<br />
found that very boring. It did not really mean<br />
anything and was very boring, and so I chose to<br />
change it to Security Princess, because I just<br />
thought it would be funny. I’m not very girly, I<br />
never wore very girly dresses, I have two brothers<br />
and I played football and wrestled with my<br />
brothers, so for me I was not a princess, but I<br />
thought it was funny and a little bit ironic.<br />
“And then I went to a security conference<br />
in Japan. And in Japan it’s a very official<br />
process – business cards are expected, there is<br />
Creative message to readers<br />
magicians, wrote about their dreams of<br />
gaining this profession, and some even<br />
about their professional achievements.<br />
In particular, Anna James wrote: “My<br />
proudest moment was working in an<br />
episcopal library of 200,000 books,<br />
someone asked for ‘that book about<br />
bishops with a yellow cover’ and I got it<br />
straight away, even though it was purple.”<br />
a formal exchange of business cards – and so I<br />
kept my title for that and made my business<br />
card with it, in part because I just thought it<br />
was funny, when you are meeting someone,<br />
they read it and sort of laugh. It is a nice way<br />
to meet someone – you need it to be memorable.<br />
And it was. I think it’s been a nice way to<br />
break ice when I meet someone. Especially in<br />
security, sometimes you are meeting people<br />
who work in the government or in defense, and<br />
they are all very serious. But when they see it,<br />
they smile a little bit and laugh. I like it, since<br />
my old title did not mean anything anyways,<br />
and this is kind of a bit funny and ironic.<br />
“In some ways, it’s nice to be a role model,<br />
a different type of princess role model. Growing<br />
up, I watched Disney movies, and the<br />
princess is always trying at the end of the<br />
movie to get married, like that’s what the goal<br />
is. I thought it would be nice to have a different<br />
kind of princess role model – trying to<br />
keep people safe.”<br />
A question from our reader on Facebook:<br />
“It is always interesting to see what morning<br />
rituals open the professional’s day: what do<br />
you start your day with?”<br />
“I wake up very early. When I was in Germany,<br />
I woke up at like 4 a.m. Normally, I<br />
wake up at 6 a.m. I have at least two cups of<br />
coffee and eat pretty much the same breakfast<br />
every day and do some emails, or actually,<br />
first of all I feed my cats. They wake me up. I<br />
feed my cats, go to work, do emails. Then I<br />
see, based on what’s in my inbox, what the day<br />
is going to be like. Sometimes it’s helping people<br />
on the projects, sometimes it’s dealing<br />
with a new incident. It’s cool.”<br />
Photo from the website LOLSNAPS.COM<br />
An unusual bookshelf at<br />
Framinghan Public Library, US<br />
Within three days after the publication,<br />
the post gathered more than 41,000<br />
retweets and about 113,000 likes. The<br />
Framingham library has thus managed not<br />
only to send a creative message to readers,<br />
but also to draw attention to book<br />
specialists in general. No wonder, a<br />
tweeter wrote: “I will take it as a sign that<br />
I chose the right profession.”
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By Olha PETROVA, art critic<br />
Masterpieces made of cardboard,<br />
wood, and stone<br />
The Blue Gallery of Tbilisi is hosting works<br />
by Ukrainian artist Oleksandr Zhyvotkov<br />
The renowned National Gallery of Georgia,<br />
where guests of Tbilisi get acquainted with<br />
the masterpieces of Niko Pirosmani, Lado<br />
Gudiashvili, Elene Akhvlediani, and David<br />
Kakabadze, has admitted to its premises an<br />
exhibition of a Ukrainian master, namely<br />
Oleksandr Zhyvotkov, who named the exhibit<br />
“Cardboard. Wood. Stone.”<br />
The event is organized by Stella Beniaminova<br />
of the Stedley Art Foundation with the support of<br />
the Embassy of Ukraine in Georgia. They had done<br />
a lot of preparatory and diplomatic work and published<br />
an English-language catalog before the<br />
works (50 in total) reached their destination in the<br />
Tbilisi Museum of Modern Art after going over land<br />
and sea. The museum, which is a magnificent oasis<br />
of culture, was founded in 1917-20 by the artist<br />
and cultural scholar Dimitri Shevardnadze, and reconstructed<br />
and modernized in 2012.<br />
In the artistic circles of Ukraine, Zhyvotkov<br />
has long been known as a distinctive master of<br />
painting. Beginning in 2007, the artist has experimented<br />
with non-traditional materials –<br />
cardboard, paper, gauze, sand, earth, soot, stone,<br />
and has convincingly mastered them. This artistic<br />
“reconnaissance mission” is not an end in itself<br />
for the author, but a way to increase the expressiveness<br />
of each new work and to activate the<br />
viewer’s perception. Paintings on canvas, on<br />
wooden boards, as well as on other materials<br />
that are artistically transformed by hand and fantasy<br />
of the master, and his sculptural objects – all<br />
of them are subordinated to the eternal dialog between<br />
existence and non-existence. Zhyvotkov is<br />
a rare phenomenon in that he is both artist and<br />
philosopher, and has extraordinary knowledge in<br />
the field of humanity’s prehistoric culture. He<br />
courageously looks at the undisclosed secrets of<br />
Nothing and Ideal. Back in the late 1980s, he discovered<br />
his own sign system as a painter, which<br />
includes fish, figure or head of a woman, cross,<br />
bird, etc. This symbolism, which you will always<br />
find in all his works, obviously resonates<br />
with the archaic images of Christian iconography.<br />
It is no accident that the Georgian audience saw<br />
and felt an obvious affinity between Zhyvotkov’s<br />
exhibition and their native archaic. The Ukrainian<br />
artist shares a language with any Georgian<br />
who treasures the 5th-6th-century temples and<br />
culture of that people. At the same time, the creator’s<br />
artistic form, in which the universal human<br />
meanings are encrypted, is obviously avantgarde<br />
and belongs to the 21st century. This is a<br />
wonderful paradox of this artistic phenomenon.<br />
The Ukrainian delegation met, besides art<br />
connoisseurs and lovers, famous Georgian artists<br />
in the four rooms of the museum during the crowded<br />
exhibition. The event’s opening, which started<br />
with a solemn speech by the first general director<br />
of the National Museum of Georgia David Lordkipanidze,<br />
attracted attention of People’s Artists<br />
of Georgia Zurab Nizheradze, Teimuraz Murvanidze,<br />
Loretta Shangelia-Abashidze, and others.<br />
A large delegation came from Italy. It was headed<br />
by Professor Nicola Franco Balloni. In Ukraine, the<br />
director (until 2017) of the Italian Institute of Culture<br />
at the Italian Embassy is well known among<br />
musicians, artists, philologists, and diplomats.<br />
The artistic masterpieces of Zhyvotkov which<br />
are now on loan in the Blue Gallery of Tbilisi bring<br />
viewers to the state of spiritual exaltation and<br />
sound like Johann Sebastian Bach’s chorals.<br />
The emotional range of images on display is<br />
quite broad, reaching from prayerful concentration<br />
Photo from Oleksandr ZHYVOTKOV’s private archive<br />
(images of the Madonna) to a dramatic fall into the<br />
abyss of exit (the Crucifixion of Christ). The master’s<br />
hand has created a truly magical field.<br />
The highest assessment of Zhyvotkov’s work<br />
was offered by the Georgian audience. Academician<br />
Murvanidze said: “Modernism has existed for<br />
over a century. It would seem that it is impossible<br />
to discover something new in it without quoting<br />
from the great avant-garde artists. However,<br />
Zhyvotkov has managed to add a distinctive new<br />
page to this system of art.”<br />
On Mykola Bilyk’s oeuvre and<br />
solo exhibition “Earthly Love”<br />
Sculptor-violinist<br />
By Alisa ANTONENKO<br />
This year, the well-known master, People’s<br />
Artist of Ukraine, corresponding member of the<br />
Department of Fine Arts of the National<br />
Academy of Arts of Ukraine, member of the<br />
National Union of Artists of Ukraine Mykola<br />
Bilyk is nominated for the Shevchenko Prize for his<br />
monument to Hetman Ivan Mazepa in Poltava and the<br />
sculpture cycle “Earthly Love.”<br />
Bilyk has created many indoor, monumental,<br />
landscape sculptures. Art historians note that his<br />
works take their inspiration primarily from the history<br />
of Ukraine, the female image, and the ecological<br />
problems facing humanity. His creative portfolio is<br />
quite large, including more than 500 works of art<br />
(sculptures and graphic pieces).<br />
The artist is one of the most famous masters of our<br />
time, has in-depth knowledge of the problems of the<br />
contemporary fine art culture, and exhibits an analytical<br />
approach to addressing meaningful themes of<br />
history and present. By combining the high traditions<br />
of the Ukrainian school of fine arts with the best<br />
achievements of European art in his work, the sculptor<br />
has achieved inimitable, unique expressiveness. His<br />
manner just cannot be confused with any other. In his<br />
sculptures, the artist seeks to achieve harmony, to unravel<br />
the secrets of folk traditions, to fill the compositions<br />
with deep meaning and spirituality.<br />
Let us recall that the monument to Hetman<br />
Mazepa was solemnly opened in Soborna Square in the<br />
city of Poltava in May 2016. This is the first full-size<br />
monument to the hetman, while his busts have been<br />
installed in several Ukrainian cities, as well as in the<br />
US and Australia.<br />
EMBRACE, MARBLE, 2009<br />
Photo from Mykola BILYK’s private archive<br />
“When people ask me about my favorite material,<br />
they think that it is stone. But I have worked with<br />
bronze a lot as well,” Bilyk was quoted as saying by beinart.com<br />
website. “Metal allows one to do very fine<br />
things. One can make even open work from metal.<br />
Stone cannot afford any subtleties, it is fragile... I have<br />
worked with wood as well. Stonework produces virtually<br />
no waste. I do a large piece from the main block,<br />
and smaller pieces from ‘waste bits.’ I do not throw<br />
away anything.<br />
“An artist must start every day as if it was their<br />
first, then they will achieve something for themselves<br />
and for art. It is like a good violinist. They play well,<br />
but they do not create. They just perform well. This<br />
is sometimes enough, but art requires discovering<br />
something new. Then it will remain in history...”<br />
Bilyk’s work is a colorful modern artistic phenomenon<br />
in the contemporary art of sculpture, which<br />
influences the viewer through a wide range of visual<br />
plastic art techniques. His project “Earthly Love,”<br />
which includes 50 sculptural works, is a testimony to<br />
the fact that there is a place for high art in our lives.<br />
The cycle consists of individual works, but is perceived<br />
as a whole, attracting viewers with its compositional<br />
skill and stylistic harmony, which are generally aimed<br />
at the thorough treatment of the image, the subtle<br />
transmission of the psychological condition. Having<br />
created his own unique style, the sculptor has achieved<br />
refined generalizations that make up his works’ imagery.<br />
Bilyk’s sculptural compositions reflect a special<br />
world of symbols that inspire a silent dialog. For<br />
example, one can see in Kyiv the iconic works by Bilyk<br />
without which we can no longer imagine our capital<br />
– these are principally the monument to Princess<br />
Olha (in Mykhailivska Square), the monument to<br />
Yaroslav the Wise near the Golden Gates with Bilyk’s<br />
palm prints, the monument to Archangel Michael, the<br />
memorial of the officers of the Foreign Intelligence<br />
Service of Ukraine, and the sign commemorating the<br />
demolished settlement of Peredmostova Slobidka<br />
(in Hidropark).<br />
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