Grace: Ella: Grace: I am interested in the place of the body in traditional belief systems, particularly what happens when we think about the body and how it is represented in one of the oldest belief systems. You guys [Alex and Theo] are collaborating and you were talking about a sense of community, and I think that faith has been a very divisive thing as long as it existed. I think one of the reasons that has happened is because the major world religions are one of the monotheistic ones. So it sort of establishes this narrative where it is like you believe in this one thing, and that one thing is this thing we think is important. Any systems which regards this one thing immediately establishes this hierarchy where if you do not agree with that then you’re lesser. I think when we are talking about fostering communities and being sensitive and creative and joyful, it is better to talk about polytheistic belief systems. If everyone thinks about things in a linear way, we can’t talk about interconnectedness and making waves in communities rather than separate groups so everyone joining together and having fun, making things together… And sharing. And interacting with each other. So yes that is why I’ve included water as it was about fluidity and fusion. The dissolution of these old ideas to create a new slimy sticky thing. [laughs] [Ella introduces artist Yusta] Yusta: My piece is the pavement over there. It is about memorials people make in the streets. There is this new way of dealing with death but not related the traditional sense like a graveyard which is almost always related to religion but in this totally anonymous place that is the street. So for the people who put it these memorials there it is extremely personal, but then for the passer-by it does not really mean anything to them. It reminds them of death in a more general sense, and then with all these things there are there for a time and then eventually they disappear. They can’t be permanent. And if they were permanent they would be everywhere. We couldn’t deal with that, so it almost works in a way that they disappear with time. But then who takes them away? Eventually the council will come and will take it away, so how long do you decide a memorial should be there for? It is a difficult question and although we talked about faith and how it has moved away from religion, I think in a lot of ways there are actually basing it off the framework of religion. We still believe, even if you are not religious, you sort of believe in an after-life, or your material success, your legacy, is a new version of that. But it is basically based on the same sort of ideas. In a way I do not think we have quite yet find something to replace faith in the religious sense. We are kind of moving it into something else but slowly.
Grace: Yusta: Nina: I think that is interesting to say in terms of we’ve moved away from the faith in the religious sense. I think people are, whether it’s happening more or, moving away from faith in the religious sense and moving towards in a more spiritual sense and everyone has their own faith systems or belief systems that they can create themselves and it is less structured because ‘I referred to this book’ and this told me how to behave. But then faith only works, I feel, as a collective thing, when a large group of people believe in something together even if it is not religious, because it dictates the way things run on a whole, in a larger community, like in society. People need to have some sort of similar ideas for it to work. If everyone had a different set of faiths and morality it clashes a little bit. I do not think we are actually moving away from religion. I think London is a bit of a liberal bubble, but I think it is actually there is a huge rise of religion pretty much everywhere in the world. Especially when I went back home I forgot religion existed in London, and I had a bit of a slap in the face, that it definitely still exists. And it is strong. Doesn’t seem to be going away anytime soon. [ambient noise] Theodore: Rebecca: Alexandra: Nina: It is quite interesting that faith is so primitive that we’ve always had faith in something, whether that it is fire or something but then now it has become so boxed, in a way. So you were saying faith rhymes with religion, in fact faith can be something very abstract that you do on a daily basis that keeps you going. And I feel like we’ve all explored that quite well here. My grandad was very religious, and I think that faith is bigger than religion, and over the past two thousand years with the monotheistic religion that came in, we focused on our understanding of it and we, instead of broadening it we did the opposite, where monotheistic religion were the one to put the humans first, forgot about nature. I feel that sometimes we miss certain rituals and moments where we can, just be within, out of our life, and think a little bit bigger than our own selves. And maybe that is why there is a return to spirituality. We are looking for something that maybe our phones, our ways of life isn’t giving to us, you know? My grandma actually had a funny comment. She always claimed to be religious and I asked her ‘well grandma why don’t you go to the Church, why don’t we do more rituals? She was like ‘Nina, only the sinners go to the Church.’ She was serious there. [laughs] 29