Get Out! GAY Magazine – Issue 437 September 25, 2019

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ISSUE #437
SEPTEMBER 25 2019
COVER: CARLY HUGHES
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BY EILEEN SHAPIRO
CELEBRITY CORRESPONDENT
Carly Hughes
Show-Stopping Sensation of ABC’s
‘American Housewife’
Talented actress, singer and Broadway superstar Carly Hughes
has made an endearing splash into the world of television with
ABC’s out-of-the-box sitcom “American Housewife.” As Angela,
she portrays a black, lesbian attorney living in an opulent, white,
extravagant neighborhood.
Having received the Princess Grace Award for Acting and Excellence
in the Arts, Hughes received a B.F.A. in musical theater and moved
to New York to pursue a career. After appearing on Broadway
nine times in outstanding theater productions including Chicago,
Pippin and Beautiful: The Carole King Musical, she auditioned for
“American Housewife” and quickly secured the role.
A positive, effervescent and beautiful person, I spoke with Hughes
about her smooth transition from the theater cosmos to the
macrocosm of television.
INTERVIEW
I bet that you have so much fun on
the set. The program is hysterical.
Thank you. I’m just leaving set right
now, and Ali Wong and I had some
shenanigans going on where they had
to say, “OK guys, stop laughing.”
Congratulations on another season.
How many people think that you are
really a lesbian?
I don’t know how many people believe
it, but I know the vast majority would
want to question it. When they come up
to me on the street, they ask, “Are you
dating someone?”, because they don’t
know. A couple of times people will see
me walking with a guy and say, “She’s
not a lesbian,” or they will say, “Why
is she walking with a guy?” That just
means I’m doing my job very well if it’s
that believable.
Exactly. Did you have to do some
research to portray a lesbian?
You know what, no, but that’s a valid
question, because some people might
ask how do I do this. But when I got
cast, my main priority and my goal
was, yes, I play a lesbian on TV, but I’m
playing a person who happens to love
women, who are also part of the human
race. So I just went into work trying to
be a real, honest human being. You
just work on building the framework of
the character and then everything else
falls into place. The preference of who
she loves and who she is attracted to is
secondary.

Aside from being a lesbian, how close is
Angela to being your own true self?
Angela is a good 50/50 split. Her nononsense
and her sass and her honesty
I draw a little bit from myself, but her
whimsicalness and her hippie tendencies,
that’s not me. And the way she raises
her kids... Angela is very lackadaisical.
For example, “I just give my kids hugs,”
which was a line last season. I remember
reading that
and thinking,
“What? Who
does that?”
You also
have another
situation:
You live in
this totally
extravagant
and entitled
white
community,
and you’re
not only
a lesbian,
but you’re
a black
lesbian.
They covered
all the bases.
They
certainly did.
We really
haven’t had
a situation
on the show
that is a total
learning
moment or a
major moral
issue. You kind of get to see indirectly
how Angela navigates all the different
aspects of who she is, like when she is
at the PTA meetings and things of that
nature. She is the only divorced, lesbian
black parent and since she tends to be
the only one in all of those categories, I
like to think that she just kind of handles it
with grace.
Aside from “American Housewife,” you
have also been on Broadway. And you
can sing.
Oh honey, can I ever!
How did you get from Broadway, which
is a whole different genre in life, onto a
sitcom?
It’s two different worlds. People ask me
all the time, “How did you get this?” My
initial reaction is, “I auditioned.” The
worlds are so different. If you were doing
this for a career and not as a craft, it’s a no
brainer, because I’m constantly trying to
go to the next level and do the next thing.
So I had been
training forever
with an oncamera
coach
in New York,
kind of like an
Olympian trains
for their craft.
You just keep it
up so that you
are always ready.
I was always
taking courses
and always
auditioning and
trying to do
whatever I could
whenever the
audition arose.
But for a while
it was very hard,
because people
saw Broadway
and TV so
separately. The
golden age of
Gene Kelly and
Fred Astaire, all
of those who
did everything
and it was
acceptable—
and not only
acceptable, but you kind of had to—
those days are gone. So now it was
like, you either do this, or you do that.
Then Lin-Manuel happened to make
Broadway cool again, and ironically it
made it easier to go into those rooms,
because the connotation no longer was,
“Oh, you do Broadway, that’s fun.” So
it kind of brought Broadway to the level
that it should be seen at. I was still doing
Broadway when I auditioned for this show
on opening night of one of my last shows
in New York. We rehearsed all day till 6
o’clock, and my audition was at 6:30. My
opening night call was 7:30.

Wow.
So I ran from the theater over to
Columbus Circle and did my audition,
and they said, “That’s great. Do you
want to do it again?” I told him I
couldn’t, I had to run to the show. I ran
back to the theater, did the show, and
then the next week they told me I was
penned for the show. Then it just went
from there, which I’m very grateful for.
What
Broadway
plays have
you been
in?
I’ve done
nine.
That’s a lot.
I know,
crazy, right?
I’ve been
doing this a
long time.
My huge,
huge one
that I was
obsessed
with, I
played the
lead role
in Pippin.
That was the
revival on
Broadway,
which was
originally
the Ben
Vereen
part. Then
I closed
that out
and played
Velma Kelly
in Chicago, which was another dream
role. Then before that I originated
Beautiful: The Carole King Musical.
You’ve done Broadway, television
and probably a host of other things.
What is your ultimate stage fantasy?
That’s a good one. My ultimate stage
fantasy would be to do a one-woman
show, kind of like Audra McDonald
did with “Lady Day at Emerson’s Bar
and Grill”.
I’d love to do it about Lena Horne or
Eartha Kitt. That would be my dream
stage role, and my dream movie and TV
role.
Would you go back to doing
Broadway?
If the timing was right and the role was
right. I’m fortunate enough now, thank
God, to be in a position where I can be a
bit choosier with the projects I take, so I
will definitely
be back on
Broadway,
because I’ve
got to get my
Tony Award,
but now I
can do it
for the right
project and
what feels
good to me.
Sometimes in
this business
you are often
made to
feel like you
have to do
a job just
to take the
job. There’s
no shame
in that, but
I’ve never
been of that
mentality,
so I strive to
make sure I
am making
strategic
moves. So as
long as the
role is right
and the show,
I would definitely say, “Bye, LA.”
Where are you originally from?
I grew up in Columbia, Maryland, but I
lived in New York the longest. I lived in
New York for almost 16 years.
Do you miss New York?
All the time. ALL THE TIME. I’m a New
Yorker. I’ve been on my own since I was
17, and I’ve been in New York. It’s a crazy
life.

Are there any other projects
that you are working on
currently, because I know you
can sing. Perhaps a record?
I really, really want to do a record.
I did record something that they
are mixing for the holidays, and
that’s my next project. It’s like a
Michael Bublé, but the female
version—that’s what I want to do
ultimately. I’ll have a couple of
singles out at the end of the year
for the holidays.
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BY IAN-MICHAEL BERGERON
@ianmichaelinwonderland
As the final days of summer dwindle
down, several friends and I rented a car
and drove upstate to Pine Meadow Trail.
It’s always nice to get out of Manhattan,
even if it isn’t far or for long. When the
only nature you see on a daily basis
includes trees growing haphazardly over
busy streets and potted plants on fire
escapes, it’s healthy to remind yourself
what it’s like in the wild.
I hiked the only way I know how: in a
semi-sheer top and matching speedo
by Nathan Ayon, barely hidden under
sheer shorts.
Sandwiches
and wine in our
backpacks, we
set out for Pine
Meadow Lake.
I remembered
an essay
I wrote in
college: The
course was
supposed
to be on
nature essays
(in general)
but became
dedicated to
Ralph Waldo
Emerson
(specifically).
Now, I have
nothing against
Emerson, but
an entire class
on him bled
me dry. So, for
our final essay (prompt: walk in nature
and write about it), I decided to give a
middle finger to nature essays.
I wrote about walking through a mall
as if I were walking the Pine Meadow
Trail, describing the teenage mallrats as
if they were the squirrels I saw upstate,
describing the plastic plants placed
nonchalantly in the middle of the mall
walkways as if they were the trees that
stretched all around me. I suppose I
thought I was rather deep—and maybe I
was. Marrs loved what I’d intended as a
On Nature
“Fuck nature” essay and submitted it to
a publication, a book which I still have on
my bookshelf at home. (The $300 I got
is long gone; I’m sure spent on various
items of sheer clothing.)
Smiling at the memory, I brought myself
back to reality, bringing up the rear
of our voyage to the lake. The thing I
believe I like most about being in nature
like that is that I could be anywhere,
at any time in my life: Maybe I’m in
upstate New York, and tomorrow I have
to be back at work; maybe I’m in Iowa,
a teenager, and I know I have a paper
due the next day;
maybe I’m in
Minnesota, in my
early 20s, my thenfiance
(now exfiance)
at my side.
The sight of my
boyfriend walking
several feet before
me reminds me
where, and when,
I am.
At the lake, we all
stripped down to
our bathing suits,
and my best friend
challenged me to
swim to a large
rock in the middle
of the lake. I took
him up on the
offer and jumped
in: I haven’t swum
like that since I
was a kid, and
suddenly I was
10 years old again, swimming laps with
my dad at the local pool. My friend and
I made it to the rock out of breath, and
out of shape.
“You know,” he said to me, breathing
heavy, “now we have to swim back.”
My apartment called my name, with its
potted plants on the fire escape and
the tree leaning haphazardly toward my
window, Chinese delivery just a phone
call away. “Fuck nature,” I smiled. “Let’s
go.”

BY EILEEN SHAPIRO
CELEBRITY CORRESPONDENT
JIPSTA
‘SWAGGERIFIC’
Jipsta is a very talented, passionate and
message-oriented out rapper living and
breathing in New York. He has been present
in and around the nightlife scene for a while,
and although facing certain challenges in the
music business (as most do), he sticks to it. He
has recently recorded some new music, titled
“Swaggerific.” The lead song was influenced
by his “sexy, man-crazed alter ego,” and after
hearing it I know why. The album is fun!
I shared some questions and answers with
Jipsta and found him to be a blast.
INTERVIEW > > > > > >
As a white, gay rapper,
what’s life like, and how
did you begin rapping?
Interestingly, the story
of how I first began
rapping is detailed on a
song called “7th Grade,”
which appears on my new
album, “Swaggerific.” The
response to it has been
overwhelmingly positive,
and I suppose that is
because it is the first truly
autobiographical song
I’ve written and released
thus far. The short version
of the story is that I had a
rough elementary school
experience (i.e., being
teased for being gay, not
having many friends),
so my mother decided
to send me to a private
school for junior high on
Long Island. It took over
two hours to get there
by bus, but the best part
about the experience
was that the older kids
on the bus would bring a
boombox every day and
just play all this incredible
old-school rap and hiphop
music. I was blown
away and immediately
obsessed. Eventually,
I started jotting down
simple rap songs/lyrics
in my notebook on the
bus ride, then started
rapping in the hallways
and cafeteria incessantly,
and ultimately made my
debut as “LL Cool JP” (I
go by the name “JP” in
real life) and actually won
the contest! This was a
big deal, because I was
12 years old, and there
were 17- and 18-year-old
seniors in this contest.

As far as my day-to-day life,
I have been with my partner
for over 15 years now. We
love popping up in bars like
Ty’s and Julius on a Friday
night to just hang, hang
with friends, have some
strong drinks and hear
good music. We actually
met at The Monster, so the
West Village is still very
near and dear to us.
Who are your influences,
and do you know
Cazwell?
I grew up as an only child
in a very Italian singleparent
household. Anyone
who has grown up as an
Italian-American knows
that on Saturday, kids are
required to clean the house
from stem to stern, and my
mother definitely kept that
tradition alive. On the plus
side, she always played
incredible music while I was
dusting and vacuuming,
mostly R&B/soul and disco.
I credit this time period as
what ultimately fostered
my love of music. As far as
musical influences, I always
cite Big Daddy Kane,
Rakim, Salt-N-Pepa, Beastie
Boys, De La Soul and Kid-
N-Play as those who really
got me excited to start
writing rap songs.
Cazwell and I definitely
know each other, and he
and Peppermint actually
gave me one of my first
gigs performing in NYC
when they were hosting
a weekly part at The Ritz!
I love his sense of style,
and he is without a doubt
a pioneer as far as LGBT
rap is concerned. Also,
he is an INCREDIBLE
DJ, and everyone should
go hear him spin if they
have a chance! I do get
compared to him a lot (a
huge compliment), but the
stars haven’t aligned for us
to collaborate on a project
yet.
Tell me your most fun or
embarrassing experience
while performing live.
The best experience I’ve
ever had performing is
when I got to headline
a performance at Splash
in March of 2008. There
were so many elements
that conspired to make
this evening absolutely
amazing, but I think the
best part was that 20
of my friends from high
school had come to see
me perform for the first
time, so there was this
additional energy that was
in the room. On top of that,
Manny Lehman was DJing,
and the place was PACKED.
I did a medley of three
songs that night, including
my first single, “Don’t Act
Like You Don’t Know.”
When I perform this song,
I have these signs—one of
them says “Don’t Act Like”
[and] the other says “You
Don’t Know,” and I have hot
go-go boys hold each one
up on the chorus when I do
this call-and-response part
with the crowd. That night
was the first time that I truly
heard EVERYONE in the
club going back and forth
with me, which is literally
one of the best feelings in
the world for a performer.
As if that wasn’t enough,
I had a huge surprise
planned for the crowd
that night—during my
second song, “Middle of
the Dancefloor,” my friend
Kevin Aviance came out
and danced along to the
track while I performed. The
crowd went NUTS and were
screaming so loud that I
actually think I stopped
rapping because I was just
smiling and watching him
myself!

What inspired your newest
release, and is there a
message that goes along
with it?
Not many artists can say
that they have recorded
four full-length albums, so
I am really proud of this
new album “Swaggerific.”
People always think I’m
nuts because of the titles
I come up with for my
albums (e.g., “Bandoozle,”
“Ban2oozle”), but the truth
is, these are words I use in
my everyday life! Like, one
of the songs on the album
is called “Team Too Much.”
That is literally something
I say ALL.THE.TIME. It
basically refers to someone
who is being too over the
top/dramatic and always
trying to be the center of
attention. I honestly feel
like it should be a hashtag:
#TeamTooMuch. Can we
start that? Anyway, this
album is hands-down the
most fun album I’ve ever
recorded. I went into the
recording process intending
to make a very nostalgic, old
school/golden age hip-hop,
“party rap” album. But the
really exciting news is that
fans of my “Nasty Boy”
persona will be extremely
pleased with the lead single
“Berenjena” (the Spanish
word for eggplant) and “(Hit
It) From the Back,” where
I let my sexy, man-crazed
alter-ego out of the cage
I’ve kept him in for a minute.
If you could make me ask
you any question on the
planet, what would you
want me to ask you?
If you find out that there is
a “Life TiVo/DVR” that you
can watch when you die,
what scenes/moments of
your life would you have a
season pass for?
What challenges did you
have to overcome to get
to where you are in the
music industry?
You would never know this
by the number of realitybased
competition shows
there are on television, but
the music industry is NOT
for everyone. Sadly, it is isn’t
only about how talented
you are, how much you
love music or even how you
look; a lot of it is timing,
an audience’s taste in
music, the people you align
yourself with and your ability
to hear “no” and keep
going even when everyone
asks you, “How much longer
are you gonna try to make
this music thing happen?”
I actually talk about this a
lot on the songs “Industry”
and “No Talent Rappers”
on “Swaggerific.” I guess
the biggest challenge/
disappoint I personally
faced was that I was signed
to a development deal with
a major label right out of
high school as the “next
hot white rapper.” As I was
recording an album, the
label expressed concern
that an openly gay artist
may not be received well (it
was the early ’90s). I ended
up losing the deal and
feeling frustrated. Another
challenge I still face is that
it is hard
to get
“noticed”
when
you are
emphasizing
how lyrical
you are as
an artist
when we
live in a very
visual world.
A lot of
people have
told me,
“You know,
you could
probably
get a million
views on one of your videos
if you just take your shirt off
or hire hot, half-naked guys
to dance in it.” To be more
true to myself, I am really
proud of how I expressed
myself visually in my two
latest videos (directed by
Spencer Slishman), “All
Systems Go” and “Hotel
Motel.”
What would have to
happen for you to have
your ultimate stage
fantasy?
I’ve always had this vision
of being part of a “gay
rapper super group,”
almost like the Wu-Tang
Clan. I would love to be on
tour with the best of the
best in the LGBT hip-hop
community like Cazwell,
Lady Sovereign, Young
M.A., Lady Leshurr, Le1f, Big
Dipper, Big Freedia, where
we all perform individually
and then all come together
at the end to perform this
monster record that we’re all
featured on. I honestly think
this could be a possibility
and could become
something that people
looked forward to during
Pride season or even on
New Year’s Eve! Just putting
it out there in the universe!

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THOMAS
TALKS
ABOUT: BRINGING
A month ago, my
boyfriend got a huge
promotion at work,
one he wanted for a
very long time. I was
so happy for him,
because he totally
deserves it, and it has
the potential to really
make our future a lot
easier. Jump to now,
I think the stress is
too much. He’s always
tired, grumpy and
yells at me for the
smallest things. He
was busy before, but
his mood has 1,000%
changed. I want to be
supportive, because
I know this has been
a tough transition for
him, but I also want
him to quit so we
can go back to being
happy. I tried telling
him when he’s being a
jerk, but he just gets
madder. What should
I do? -Male, Gay, 28
It is important to be
supportive of our
partners when they
are experiencing
something tough.
However, when that
stressor becomes the
new normal, they need
to adjust how they’re
interacting with the
other important areas
of their life. Try talking
to him about it when
he isn’t “being a jerk.”
Bring it up when you
guys are relaxed, and
show him that you’re
concerned for the
relationship. If the
job is really too much
for him, he may need
to step back or seek
therapy to gain some
new stress-coping
skills, so he isn’t taking
it out on you.
I’ve been living
with my best friend
for six months, but
recently he started
bartending, and
it’s ruining my life.
Usually three times a
week I’m woken up at
5 a.m. when he gets
home hammered. He
always brings people
with him, and they
play music, smoke pot
and drink until I leave
for work at 8 a.m.
We’ve gotten in fights
about it, and he keeps
saying he won’t do it
anymore, but keeps
it up. Before he got
this job, he was very
depressed because of
a break up, and seems
IT HOME
happier now, so I feel
bad. Where do I draw
the line? His name
is on the lease, and
I don’t have enough
money to get my own
place. -Male, Gay, 23
His name is on the
lease, so you can’t
kick him out, but this
also means you have
the freedom to leave.
Roommates can suck,
and he is not being
very conscientious of
you. Find out what
your other options are
for living, then give
him an ultimatum.
Either he changes
his behavior, or you
leave. If you’re being
woken up and going
to work tired, it’s
likely affecting your
job performance
and could end up
screwing you over. It
can be tough living
with roommates when
you have different
schedules, but you’re
both adults and should
respect each other’s
space and freedom. If
he still wants to have
friends over after work
and hang out, what
would be appropriate
and not wake you up?
Are there ground rules
that can be agreed
upon? Again, talk
about it when you’re
not mad.
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