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xelisuflebaSi darCeba~

gamodis samSabaTobiT N23 (325) 6.10

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.2020

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kaxa kukava:

òcnebas~

vurCev:

TqvenTvisac

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rom 40

procentSi

CaetioT!~

gv. 10

evelina Coxeli:

àr

gavCerdebi,

sanam mis

bodiSs ar

movismen~

gv. 24

`grigol vaSaZem daigina,

rom gubaz sanikiZe saarCevno

siaSi ar moxvdeboda~

gv. 2

`Zala erTobaSia ki ara, Zala

fulSia~ _ ra Tanxa gadaixades

milionerebma siaSi mosaxvedrad? gv. 2

uCa mamacaSvilis qonebis anatomiidan _

`rac ar unda moxdes~

gv. 28

petre mamraZe:

àrCevnebze Tu

`qarTul ocnebas~

gauWirda, mas

èvropuli

saqarTvelo~

daexmareba~

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samadaSvili:

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ivaniSvili

darwmunebulia

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`biZinam

rom Tqvas,

`qarTuli

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`grigol vaSaZem daigina, rom gubaz

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opozicionerebi gvpirdebodnen,

rom saboloo saarCevno siebs

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nebas”, lamis, arCevnebamde daamarcxebdnen. maJoritarebis

sakiTxSi imedgacruebul amomrCevels saswaulis naklebad

sjeroda, magram iseT koSmars mainc aravin eloda, rac

saarCevno siebi gamodga.

`Zala erTobaSia ki ara, Zala

fulSia~ _ ra Tanxa gadaixades

milionerebma siaSi mosaxvedrad?

ramdenime Tvis ganmavlobaSi

vismendiT, rom opozicia mTeli

qveynis masStabiT saerTo maJoritarul

kandidatebze Sejerdeboda.

es rogorc mosalodneli iyo,

ver moaxerxa. amomrCevlis mxardaWera

rom ar daekargaT, gviTxres,

TbilisSi SevTanxmdebiT saerTo

kandidatebzeo, magram arc es gamouvidaT.

ufro adre opoziciam

Sua gzaze Sewyvita brZola da

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manamde ambobdnen, mxolod srulad

proporciul models davTanxmdebiTo.

am ambavsa da maJoritarobis kandidatebSi

SeuTanxmeblobas xalxi,

ase Tu ise, gagebiT moekida.

didi skandali arc imas moyva, giorgi

vaSaZis partiam bloki „Zala

erTobaSia” rom datova. saarCevno

siebis gamoqveynebis Semdeg yvela

mixvda, Tu ratom miiRo „strategia

aRmaSenebelma” aseTi gadawyvetileba.

saarCevno siebma opoziciis mxardamWerebi

gasul kviras gaaogna.

politikosebi bevrad adre gaogndnen.

„nacionalur moZraobaSi”

lamis xelCarTul Cxubamde mivida

saqme. es dapirispireba, jer kidev,

maSin daiwyo, sanam sia Sedgeboda.

erT mSvenier dRes gavigeT, rom

maJoritaruli sistemis Tavgadakluli

mcveli, kaxa oqriaSvili,

opozicias SeuerTda. mis garda

opoziciaSi Sevida cezar CoCeli.

rogorc opoziciis kuluarebSi

gviTxres, Tavidan CoCeli da oqriaSvili

nacionalur moZraobaSi

unda gawevrianebuliyvnen, magram

amas didi skandali moyva.

partaqtivisTvis miuRebeli

aRmoCnda partiaSi iseTi kacis gawevrianeba,

romelmac jer „nacionaluri

moZraoba” uaryo, Semdeg

ki maJoritarul sistemas uWerda

mxars. saubaria kaxa oqriaSvilze.

am ukanasknelma „nacmoZraoba” 2012

wlis saparlamento arCevnebis Semdeg

datova. sxva maJoritarebis msgavsad

Tavidanve ar gadamxtara

gamarjvebulis navSi. erTxans

damoukideblobasac inarCunebda,

magram Semdeg daaSantaJes.

rogorc „qronika+”-isTvis gaxda

cnobili, oqriaSvils prokuratura

saqmis aRZvriT daemuqra.

saqme is gaxlavT, rom oqriaSvils

fulis gamoZalvis mizniT adamianis

gatacebaSi sdeben brals.

prokuraturis muqaris paralelurad

presaSi gamoqveynda interviuebi

gatacebulTan.

am ambis gaxmaurebidan Zalian

male oqriaSvili „qarTul ocnebas”

SeuerTda. 2016 wels is ukve

„ocnebis” maJoritarobis kandidati

iyo. man uproblemod moigo

arCevnebi. sadRac maisSi gavrcelda

informacia, rom meocnebeebi

mas maJoritarad aRar daayenebdnen.

es kaci maJoritarobas ise See-

Cvia, rom amis gareSe cxovreba ar

warmoudgenia. hoda, gadawyvita,

damoukidebel kandidatad eyara

kenWi. ase fiqrobda manam, vidre

masTan vano merabiSvili ar mivida.

mas Semdeg gadawyda, rom is „nacionalebis”

banakSi gadavidoda.

amave periodSi gadawyda cezar

CoCelis sakiTxic. es ukanaskneli

oqriaSvilis msgavsad Riad ar

gaqocebula, magram „qarTul ocnebasTan”

manac gamonaxa saerTo

ena. Tavidan ver dalagdnen da

cezars ramdenime dRe cixeSic ki

gaatarebines. mere manac gaarkvia

situacia „qarTul ocnebasTan”.

mas Riad uWerda mxars yofili

premieri giorgi kvirikaSvili. is

dRemde megobrobs anzor CubiniZesTan.

am da sxva kavSirebis wyalobiT

man 2016 wels kinaRam moigo

arCevnebi mcxeTaSi. is da dimitri

xundaZe meore turSi gavidnen.

xundaZes biZina ivaniSvilTan rom

ar daeCivla, CoCeli mcxeTis rCeuli

gaxdeboda.

CoCeli yovelTvis megobrobda

vano merabiSvilTan. Tavidan maTi

urTierToba cema-tyepiT daiwyo,

amaze qveviT mogiyvebiT. CoCeli

„nacionalebis” banakSi vano merabiSvilma

daabruna. raki partaqtivma

isini partiaSi ar miiRo,

milionerebma saxeldaxelod Seqmnes

partia da blokSi „Zala er-

TobaSia” Sevidnen.

„nacionalebi” mainc ukmayofilo

darCnen da maT vano merabiSvils

seriozulad usayvedures,

razedac Semdegi pasuxi miiRes,

rom gaerTianebas fuli sWirdeboda.

CoCeli da oqriaSvili ki seriozul

qonebas floben. rogorc

„nacionalebis” kuluarebSi gviTxres,

maT milion-milioni lari

dades. Tavidan egonaT, rom es ma-

Joritarad wardgenis sanacvlod

gaRebuli Semowiruloba iyo, magram

roca sia naxes, mixvdnen, rom

maT siisTvisac gadaixades. siaSi

orive maTgani gamsvlel adgilas

aris Cawerili.

aranaklebi Soki gamoiwvia „nacionalebSi”

dilar xabulianis

gamoCenam. es adamianic mraval partiazea

gadamxtari. „vardebis revoluciis”

dros SevardnaZis blokidan

iyrida kenWs. revoluciis Semdeg

„ganacda”, Tan ise, rom Tbilisis

erT-erTi raionis gamgeblad

dainiSna, 2008 wels ki parlamentis

wevrad mogvevlina. xelisuflebaSi

„qarTuli ocnebis” mosvlis

Semdeg isic „gaqocda”. axla is

isev „nacionalebis” gverdiT aris

da rogorc amboben, manac sakmaod

seriozuli Tanxebi gaiRo.

partaqtivs seriozuli skandali

rom ar aetexa, javaxeTSi blok

„Zala erTobaSias” maJoritarobis

kandidati SeiZleba, enzel mkoiani

yofiliyo. Tu gaviTvaliswinebT

imas, rom am personas bevri fuli

aqvs, is gamsvlel siaSic gamonaxavda

adgils.

„enzel mkoianis ambavma yvela

gadaria. mogexsenebaT, rom masze

uamravi kompromati arsebobs. mas

hyavs SeiaraRebuli formireba da

misi daxmarebiT awiokebda axalqalaqisa

da ninowmindis mosaxleobas.

misi axloblebi araerT sisxlian

garCevaSi monawileobdnen.

mTelma saqarTvelom naxa kadrebi,

sadac mkoiani iaraRiT xelSi darbis.

mas erTi qalbatoni seqsualur

ZaladobaSic sdebda brals.

Tavad Cven vakritikebdiT mkoians

imis gamo, rom saSinelebebs akeTebda

da verafriT davuSvebdiT,

rom is Cveni maJoritarobis kandidati

yofiliyo. es Cveni blokisa

da mTlianad opoziciis imijs

Zalian daartyamda”, _ acxadebs

„qronika+”-sTan blok „Zala erTobaSias”

erT-erTi warmomadgeneli.

misive TqmiT, „nacionalebis”

didi gaRizianeba gamoiwvia blok-

Si ramaz nikolaiSvilis gamoCenam.

igi CoCelis, oqriaSvilisa da xabulianis

msgavsad ar gaqocebula,

magram gadamwyvet momentSi saakaSvilis

gunds uRalata. roca „nacionaluri

moZraoba” daiSala, ramaz

nikolaiSvili giga bokerias

gundSi gadavida, axla ki „nacionalebSi”

dabrunda. man amisTvis seriozuli

Tanxa gaiRo.

gubaz sanikiZes gamsvlel siaSi

mosaxvedrad Tanxa ar gadauxdia.

saakaSvili mis mimarT, ratomRac,

Zalian dadebiTad aris ganwyobili,

rac partaqtivisTvis amouxsneli

fenomenia. yvelas kargad

gvaxsovs, Tu rogori uSveri sityvebiT

lanZRavda is „nacionalebs”

da maT liders. 2012 wels isic ki

Tqva, quTaisSi wiwila rom ikleba,

erTi barkali miSasTan midiso.

ramdenadac CvenTvis cnobilia,

sanikiZe „nacionalebTan” saerTo

enis gamonaxvas „erovnuli forumidan”

wamosvlis Semdeg cdilobs.

Tavidan is burjanaZis partiaSi

Sevida. am partiis wevris rangSi

man araerTi molaparakeba gamarTa

yofili xelisuflebis wamomadgenlebTan

da sTxova, rom „nacionalebs”

2020 wlis arCevnebisTvis TavianT

partiul siaSi CaeweraT.

burjanaZem swored amitom gauSva

is partiidan. sanam sabolood „ganacdeboda”,

sanikiZem kidev erTi

partia moiara.

is saakaSvilisTvis Zalian misaRebi

persona gaxda. „nacionalebis”

ajanyebis rom ar SeSineboda,

miSa siis pirvel xuTeulSi apirebda

mis Caweras. aRsaniSnavia, rom

gubazis partiul siaSi Seyvanas

grigol vaSaZec ewinaaRmdegeboda.

„grigol vaSaZem ramdenime Tvis

win daigina, gubazi Tu Cvens siaSi

iqneba, Cemi ase da aseo. axla Tavad

moawera am sias xeli, rogorc

partiis erT-erTma liderma. etyoba,

miSam daarwmuna”, _ gviyveba

Cveni wyaro.

misive TqmiT, saarCevno siis am

saxiT Sedgenam Zalian bevr „nacionals”

gautexa guli. maT Soris

imaTac, romlebic 8 wlis manZilze

„qarTuli ocnebis” mTavar samizneebad

iyvnen qceulebi, magram

ukan arasdros dauxeviaT.

„es adamianebi Zalian nawyenebi

arian, isini xedaven, rom maTi brZola

da Tavdadeba aravin daafasa.

siaSi is xalxi Caweres gamsvlel

adgilebze, vinc partias uRalata

da „qocebTan” erTad gvebrZoda.

fuli dades da yvelaferi apaties.

ase ar SeZleba. am siidan gamomdinare,

SemiZlia giTxraT, rom Zala

erTobaSi ki ara, Zala fulSia.

liderebis nawilma gayida opoziciac

da brZolac. arCevnebis Semdeg

amaze yvela Riad isaubrebs.

manamde SevecdebiT Tavis Sekavebas,

rom saerTo saqme ar daziandes”,

_ ambobs Cveni wyaro.

saerTo saqme, savaraudod, daziandeba,

radganac „nacmoZraobis”

partaqtivs aSkarad ar moswons

siaSi odiozuri fuliani tomrebis

gamoCena.

gasaocar siasTan dakavSirebiT

ganmartebebi mixeil saakaSvilmac

gaakeTa. saqarTvelos mesame prezidenti

Tavis gundSi viTarebis

ganmuxtvas cdilobs.

misi TqmiT, sia, romelic „nacionalurma

moZraobam” da „Zala

erTobaSiam” waradgina, praqtikulad,

koaliciuria. mixeil saakaSvilis

ganmartebiT, siaSi arian

adamianebi, visTanac bevr sakiTxSi

warsulSi enm ver Tanxmdeboda,

Tumca axla gaerTianebis droa.

saqarTvelos mesame prezidenti

ambobs, rom partia „nacionalur

moZraobas” 31 oqtombris arCevneb-

Si 40-dan 50%-mde mxardaWerisa da

„ivaniSvilis erTpirovnulad damarcxebis”

realuri Sansi aqvs:

„mas Semdeg, rac davamarcxebT

ivaniSvils, maqsimalurad farTod

CavrTavT sxvadasxva politikur

subieqts da ara mxolod maT, qveynis

marTvis procesSi”, ambobs mixeil

saakaSvili.

misive ganmartebiT, enm aris

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partia, romelic arasdros mieyideba

ivaniSvils, es ivaniSvilmac

icis da swored amitom ebrZvis mas

mTeli ZaliT.

„Cven vWirdebiT erTmaneTs, Cven

vWirdebiT qarTul sazogadoebas,

rac ufro farTo platforma

Seiqmneba, roca koaliciaze vlaparakobT.

me ar minda, sazogadoeba

darCes partiuli SeTanxmebebis

miRma, amitom veridebi partiul

SeTanxmebebsa da garigebebze

laparaks”, _ ambobs mixeil saakaSvili

„mTavar aqcentebSi”.

is gubaz sanikiZis Temasac Seexo.

aRniSna, rom iyo dro, roca

sanikiZeze nawyeni iyo. icis isic,

rom sanikiZec nawyeni iyo masze.

saakaSvili ambobs, rom maT es wyenebi

daiviwyes da axla erTad arian.

miaCnia, rom saerTo saqmis keTebas

Tu dasWirda, yvelam unda

daiviwyos piradi wyena.

axla isev vano merabiSvilis megobar

cezar CoCels davubrundeT,

romlis garSemoc axali skandali

mwifdeba. mis gamo blokma

„Zala erTobaSiam” SeiZleba, axalgorelebis

xmebi dakargos.

cezar CoCelisa da vano merabiSvilis

urTierToba Zalian cudad

daiwyo, _ maTi gzebi 2003 wlis

saparlamento arCevnebze gadaikve-

Ta. cezar CoCeli axalgorSi SevardnaZis

blokidan iyrida kenWs.

„nacionalebs” iq maJoritarad

vladimer gucaevis kandidatura

hyavdaT dayenebuli.

gucaevis warsadgenad axalgor-

Si miSa saakaSvili da vano merabiSvili

Cavidnen. maT CoCelis naTesavebi

margilebiT gamoekidnen.

saakaSvilma gaaswro, vanos erTiori

moxvda.

mere „vardebis revolucia” moxda.

vano qveynis xerxemali gaxda.

CoCelma beso juRelis daxmarebiT

daalaga „nacionalebTan” urTier-

Toba. iqidan moyolebuli merabiSvilis

kacad iTvleboda. swored

merabiSvilma daniSna is 2008 wels

mcxeTa-mTianeTis gubernatorad.

am adamianis saxels bevri skandali

ukavSirdeba. 2008 wlis agvistos

omis dros presaSi daiwera,

rom CoCelma axalgorSi Tavisi

qoneba gadaarCina, xalxi ki upatronod

miatova. mediaSi imasac

werdnen, rom CoCelis Zmisa da

mSoblebis saxls osi maRalCinosnebi

darajobdnen , yaraulobis

safasurs CoCelebi yovelTviurad

ixdidnen.

axalgoris Tema gasul kviras

gaxda aqtualuri. CoCelma erTerT

gadacemaSi moyva, Tu rogor

darCa rusebis mier okupirebul

axalgorSi da iqauroba mande ar

datova, vidre mosaxleobis 70% ar

gamoiyvana. amas kategoriulad

uaryofs axalgoreli samoqalaqo

aqtivisti Tamar mearayiSvili.

qalbatoni Tamari axalgoridan

saerTod ar wamosula. bolo ramdenime

weliwadi ki Sinapatimroba-

Si imyofeba. „qronika+”-sTan mearayiSvili

ambobs, rom axalgorSi

darCenil qarTvelebs CoCeli moRalateebs

uwodebda.

„es adamiani axla arCevnebSi

apirebs monawileobis miRebas da

imedi aqvs, rom werovanSi Casaxlebuli

devnilebi axalgoridan mas

miscemen xmas. es gamoricxulia,

maT kargad axsovT, rogor eZaxda

CoCeli moRalateebs mxolod imitom,

rom mSobliuri kuTxe ar datoves”,

_ ambobs mearayiSvili.

is CoCelis bolo gancxadebasac

exmianeba da ambobs, rom yofilma

gubernatorma axalgorelebi gansacdelSi

miatova:

„socialur qselSi davwere amis

Sesaxeb da aqac movyvebi. cezar

CoCelis intervius vusmine gadacemaSi

„sTori”. gaognebuli var. arc

ki vici, ra vTqva. adamiani zis da

cruobs. utifrad ambobs, 2008

wlis 24 agvistos mogvTxoves dagvetovebina

axalgori, manamde fexi

ar mogvicvlia iqidan, mosaxleobis

evakuacia movaxdine, 70% gamoviyvaneTo.

sinamdvileSi sul sxvanairad

iyo: 12 agvistos adgilobrivebTan

erTad gavaCereT specrazmiT

moZravi CoCeli eklesiis

win da movTxoveT aexsna, ratom


sanikiZe saarCevno siaSi ar moxvdeboda~

`sanam sabolood `ganacdeboda~, sanikiZem kidev

erTi partia moiara. is saakaSvilisTvis

Zalian misaRebi persona gaxda. `nacionalebis~

ajanyebis rom ar SeSineboda, miSa siis pirvel

xuTeulSi apirebda mis Caweras. aRsaniSnavia,

rom gubazis partiul siaSi Seyvanas grigol

vaSaZec ewinaaRmdegeboda~

tovebdnen misi axloblebi raions,

rame safrTxe xom ar iyo? iq 11

wlis SvilTan erTad viyavi. piradad

miTxra, rom panikas vTesdi

da aranairi safrTxe aq ar gvemuqreboda.

Tqva, rom misi ojaxic axalgorSi

iyo”, _ ixsenebs omis

dReebs Tamar mearayiSvili.

misive mtkicebiT, CoCelma axalgoridan

Tavisi ojaxi 12 agvistos

RamiT gaiyvana, sami dRis Semdeg ki

Tavadac datova axalgori.

„15 agvistos RamiT ki TviTon

da adgilobrivi xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi wavidnen axalgoridan.

am dros saqarTvelos mTel

teritoriaze sagangebo mdgomareoba

iyo gamocxadebuli da samsaxurebi

ar unda mietovebinaT, minimum.

aranairi evakuacia ar mouxdeniaT.

cruobs. axalgorSi funqcionirebda

bavSvTa saxli da maT

aRsazrdelebze xom saxelmwifo

zrunavda, isinic ki ar gaiyvanes.

17 agvistos dabas gazi gagvi-

TiSes. cezaris Zmis iyo gazis kompania.

gaTiSvaze Tqves, „osebma aafeTqes,

Cven ra SuaSi varTo?” es iyo

sicrue, Tavad gaTiSes da mogvianebiT

aRiares kidec. Semdeg daiwyo

eleqtroenergiiT TamaSi. sinaTle

Ramis 23.00-dan 10.00-mde

gvqonda. ase TiTqmis weliwadi

vicxovreT”, _ yveba axalgoreli

samoqalaqo aqtivisti.

misTvis ucnobia, ratom emtereboda

cezar CoCeli axalgorSi

darCenil qarTul mosaxleobas,

romelmac iqaurobis datoveba ar

moisurva? mearayiSvilic iq darCa

da axsovs, Tu ra damokidebuleba

iyo maT mimarT.

„uSuqobisa da udenobis paralelurad,

zewola daiwyo maTze,

vinc aq darCa. zewolas uSualod

cezar CoCeli da axalgoris municipalitetis

maSindeli xelmZRvaneloba

axorcielebdnen”, _ aRni-

Snavs mearayiSvili.

rogorc samoqalaqo aqtivisti

ixsenebs, roca sityvierma zewolam

ar gaWra, Cinosnebi saqmezec gadavidnen.

„2008 wlis bolos daiwyes qar-

Tuli xelfasebis moxsna, romelic

adgilobrivebisTvis erTader-

Ti Semosavali iyo”, _ acxadebs

mearayiSvili.

im periodSi is axalgorSi arsebul

moswavleTa saxls xelmZRvaneobda.

„moswavleTa saxli, axalgoris

ori baga-baRi, musikaluri skola,

sazogadoebrivi jandacva, sportskola,

sofel winagaris saSualo

skola da baga-baRi. winagara osuri

sofelia da kontroli 2008

wlamdec dakarguli iyo, Tumca

ganaTleba saqarTvelos xelisuflebisgan

finansdeboda. xelfasebs

mxolod imitom gvixsnidnen,

aq rom davrCiT. ai, ase „saxelmwifoebrivad”

azrovnebda da moqmedebda

maSin batoni cezari”, _

acxadebs mearayiSvili.

dRemde mwared axsovs samsaxuris

dakargvis ambavi da isic, Tu rogor

dadioda okupirebuli axalgoridan

mcxeTis sasamarTloSi,

sadac simarTlis povnas cdilobda.

man CoCels sasamarTlo mougo,

amis sapasuxod ki misgan muqara

miiRo.

ai, ras gviyveba amis Sesaxeb:

„erTaderTi me gavaproteste

samsaxuridan ganTavisufleba da

2009 wels axalgoridan q. mcxeTa-

Si sasamarTloSi viare aRdgenis

moTxovniT. axalgoris municipalitets

sasamarTlo movuge _

lia muxaSavria da nino cixisTavi

iyvnen Cemi uflebebis damcvelebi.

iqve, sasamarTloSi damemuqrnen,

rom ar SemarCendnen”.

rogorc Cans, am adamianebs danapirebis

Sesruleba kargad exerxebaT,

radganac mearayiSvili 2010

wels kidev erTxel moxsnes samsaxuridan.

simarTlis saZebnelad Tamarma

isev sasamarTlos mimarTa.

„2010 welsac momxsnes. Sors

waval sasamarTloebze saubriT...

mainc gavagrZele muSaoba bavSvebTan

_ sxvadasxva saerTaSoriso

organizaciisa da kerZo pirebis

(momRerlebi, sportsmenebi, mwerlebi...)

daxmarebiT. 60-mde eqskursia

movuwyve aq darCenil bavSvebs

da yvela maTgani _ didi dabrkolebiT,

radgan samarcxvino meTodebis

gamoyenebiT cdilobda cezari

da misi naTesavi, axalgoris municipalitetis

yofili gamgebeli, Cae-

SalaT bavSvebisTvis RonisZiebebi.

Tavad arc rogorc mxaris rwmunebuls,

biznesmens an, ubralod,

axalgorels aranairi daxmareba

gauwevia aq darCenili bavSvebisTvis...

Cemi aqtiuroba mxolod gulis

karnaxiT xdeba. aravis mxares da

mosawonad ar vwer da samomavlod

politikaSi mosvlas ar vapireb, miuxedavad

imisa, rom rasac me vakeTeb,

swored esaa politika _ cvlilebebi”,

_ aRniSnavs mearayiSvili.

mis braldebebs ar eTanxmeba

cezar CoCeli. axalgoreli samoqalaqo

aqtivisti ambobs, rom imaze,

razedac axla saubrobs, wlebis

winaT aqtiurad werda qarTuli

presa.

acxadebs, rom cezar CoCelis

gancxadebebze komentaris gakeTeba

ar surda, magram iZulebuli

gaxda, ase moqceuliyo:

„imas, rac zemoT mogiyeviT, im

periodis presa inaxavs, dRes ar

vwer pirvelad. aseve im periodis

satelevizio kadrebic inaxavs Cems

sityvebs. cezari ukve deputati

iyo da isev im surviliT modis _

sakuTari biznesis xelSewyoba. magasac

gavugebdi, umetesoba aseTia.

ubralod, axalgoris TemiT rom

ar manipulirebdes da samarcxvinod

cruobdes, yuradRebas ar mivaqcevdi”,

_ aRniSnavs samoqalaqo aqtivisti.

Tamar mearayiSvils ramdenime

welia, rac axalgoris datoveba

ekrZaleba. erT weliwadze metia,

tyveobaSi aRmoCndnen sxva axalgorelebic.

gasuli wlis agvisto-

Si cxinvalis mmarTvelma bibilovma

axalgori Caketa. arc iq uSveben

vinmes da iqidanac ver gamoxval,

Tu ramenairad gamoaRwie,

ukan aRar SegiSveben. am zamTarSi

ramdenime dRiT gaxsnes axalgori

da isev Caketes.

osebi axalgoridan arc mZime

avadmyofebs uSveben. amis gamo ramdenime

maTgani daiRupa kidevac.

saqarTvelos xelisufleba maTi

mdgomareobis gasaumjobeseblad

arafers akeTebs.

gausaZlisi pirobebis gamo axalgori

male qarTvelebisgan Sei-

Zleba, sul daicalos. rogorc mearayiSvili

ambobs, am zafxuls ramdenime

ojaxma ukve datova iqauroba.

isini mTebisa da tyeebis gavliT

saqarTvelos kontrolirebad

teritoriaze gadmovidnen.

1 wlis Tedos gadasarCenad Catarebuli

urTulesi kombinirebuli operacia

iv. bokerias saxelobis hospitalSi urTulesi

operacia Catarda. 1 wlis Tedo TbilisSi, q.

qinZmaraulis #1-Si mdebare klinikaSi saswrafo

daxmarebis brigadam Seiyvana. mas diarea, cxeleba,

Cirqovani otiti da stomatiti aReniSneboda.

eqimebis SefasebiT, pacientis mdgomareoba

uaryofiTi dinamikisken Zalian swrafad progresirebda.

„gamokvlevebis Sedegad filtvis qsovilis

mravlobiTi darRveva dafiqsirda. 4 dRis Semdeg

plevris RruSi erT-erTi abscesis garRvevam

sunTqvis funqciidan filtvis gamorTva gamoiwvia.

Torakoqirurgiuli operaciisTvis mzadebis

procesSi ki bavSvis mdgomareoba kidev

ufro garTulda. sabednierod, pacientis organizmma

urTules kombinirebul operacias gauZlo,

rac gadagvarebuli qsovilis amokveTasa da

filtvis mTlianobis aRdgenas gulisxmobda“, -

ambobs pacientis mkurnali eqimi, Torakaluri

qirurgi, ivane wuleiskiri.

mdgomareobis sirTulis miuxedavad, patara

pacientis dedas eqimebis ndoba ar daukargavs:

„imedi namdvilad gamimarTlda. batoni ivane

wuleiskiris gundma far-xmali ar dayara da vi-

Tarebis gauaresebis miuxedavad, Cemi Svilis gadasarCenad

bolomde ibrZola. es emocia arasdros

damaviwydeba“, - ixsenebs pacientis mSobeli.

eqimebis ZalisxmeviT operaciam molodins gadaaWarba:

1 wlis Tedo marTviTi sunTqvidan saoperacio

blokSive moixsna, mkurnalobis procesi

ki mokle droSi, erT kviraSi, dasrulda.

N23 (325) 06.10-.12.10.2020 w.

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`strategia aRmaSenebeli~ swor gzas

partia „kanoni da samarTlis”

giorgi abaSiZe

xelmZRvanelma, „strategia aR-

maSeneblis” erT-erTma liderma,

saburTalos maJoritarobis kandidatma Tako Carkvianma, ko-

ronavirusi daamarcxa da aqtiur sazogadoebriv da poli-

tikur cxovrebas daubrunda.

ra Secvala kovidinfeqciam

erT-erTi reitinguli politikosis

cxovrebaSi? _ amis garkvevas

„qronika+~ Tavad TakosTan

Seecada, Tumca interviumde

Cveni respondentis „feisbuqstatuss”

gTavazobT:

„Cemi saqarTvelo aq aris”, „Seni

saqarTvelo iq aris” da a. S.

da marTla, Cveni saqarTvelo,

yvelasi, sad aris, sad?

ra dagvemarTa, rom samoTxe

gviboZa RmerTma da jojoxe-

Tad vaqcieT da es mxolod imitom,

rom 30-wlian TaRliTebs,

biujetis qurdbacacebs

ver moverieT, romelTa damsaxurebaa

aseTi siRaribe qveyana-

Si da saSualo fenis ararseboba

zustad ise, rogorc ruseT-

Si.

rogor ver moviSoreT es

rusuli feodaluri mmarTvelibis

stili, es ra RvTis risxvaa,

raa?!

Cveni saqarTvelo cud dRe-

Si gvyavs da es Cveni bralia,

radgan ar unda vabedinebdeT

amdens korumpirebulebsa da

feodalebs. yvelas kanonis ridi

unda hqondes ise, rogorc

normalur demokratiul qveynebSia!

raoden gasakviric unda

iyos, diax, kanonis uzenaesobiT

iwyeba Tavisufleba!

Cvenia es qveyana, Cveni da

pativi vceT sakuTar Tavs!”

is, rom Cven, ufro sworad,

politikuri elitis warmomadgenlebi

pativs arc sakuTar

Tavs scemen da arc _ xalxs, amis

Sesaxeb didi xania, viciT,

Tumca is, rac bolo dros qarTul

politikaSi xdeba, marTlac,

tragikomediaa, anu opozicia

„ocnebas” ki ara, erTmaneTs

upirispirdeba da iseTi

gancda iqmneba, rom „antiocnebelebs”

ivaniSvilis gundis

damarcxeba mxolod verbalurad

undaT, sinamdvileSi ki imisTvis

ibrZvian, rom mTavari

opoziciuri Zalis statusi

daisakuTron.

maS, ase: ras gulisxmobs

„Zalian cudad damTavrebaSi”,

ra gadaafasa da ratom aris

„strategia aRmaSeneblis” war-

matebaSi darwmunebuli? _

gTavazobT intervius Tako

CarkvianTan:

_ Tako, pirvel rigSi, gamo-

janmrTelebas gilocavT! ise,

Tqveni politikuri cxovreba

or _ koronamdel da postko-

roniseul periodebad xom ar

iyofa?

_ ara, ase ar vfiqrob, magram

dro mqonda, rom procesebisTvis

Tvali garedan medevnebina

da raRacebi Semefasebina.

saerTod, kargia, roca saamisod

dro gaqvs.

_ mainc, ra SeafaseT?

_ socialur qselSic davwere

da axlac vityvi: garedan

kinklaoba Zalian cudad Cans.

debatebSi „ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi,

rogorc wesi, ar midian,

mxolod opozicia midis da

es kargad ar Cans... sxvaTa Soris,

roca sxvas xedav, aucileblad

sakuTar Tavsac afaseb.

_ anu?

_ gasagebia, rom gulwrfeli

da marTali xar, magram fiqrob,

zogjer simkacreSi xom ar

gadaaWarbe. erTaderTi, sadac

sakuTar Tavs SeniSvnas ar vaZlev,

rusul veqtorTan dakav-

SirebiT gakeTebuli gancxadebebia

_ yvelgan da yovelTvis

yvelafers stabilurad sworad

vxsni, anu imas ki ar vambob,

rom ruseTTan dialogi ar

unda gvqondes. ruseTTan dialogis

momxre yvela xelisufleba

iyo, magram dialogi Tavad

ruseTs ar unda da gvTxovs,

Cemi vasali iyavio. ruseTTan

dialogi dasavleTze orientirebulma

xelisuflebam gamWvirvaled

unda awarmoos, radgan

xalxma icodes, putinTan yur-

Si „putuni” midis, garigeba Tu

saubari realurad razea.

mokled, ar SeiZleba, rom

ruseTSi erTprocentianma partiebma

irbinon da viRacas Cumad

xalxis legitimaciis gareSe

esaubron.

am Temaze Cemi gamosvlebi

rom vnaxe, SeniSvna ar maqvs,

Tumca oponirebis dros zogjer

SeiZleba, ufro mkacri

var, magram mTavaria, rom tyuili

arasodes miTqvams, anu yovelTvis

maqsimalurad vcdilob,

obieqturi viyo.

saerTod, oponents yvelaferi

unda uTxra, magram yvelaze

metad, rac adamianebs

aRizianebs, tyuilia.

rogorc ki televiziiT sicrue

gaJRerdeba, imave wams

katastrofa iwyeba... erTi sityviT,

oponents brali tyuil-

Si ar unda dasdo, Torem is,

ratomac ar mogwons, faqtebiT

unda „gaumagro”.

opozicia erTmaneTs ar unda

veCxuboT, radgan dRes biZina

ivaniSvilis rusuli mmarTvelobaa

dasamarcxebeli. magram

aviRoT, magaliTad, xazaraZe

_ ar momwons. amoCemebuli ki

ar myavs, ubralod, adamianurad

ar vendobi da pirdapirac

vetyvi, rom ori wlis win

sakuTar „mrevls” mimarTa da

uTxra, salome airCieT, zurabiSvilio.

es mowodeba CemTvis

lakmusis qaRaldi iyo.

_ ratom?

_ xalxs rogor mouwodeb,

rom prezidentad airCios qali,

romlis gamonaTqvamebic

haagaSi ruseTma saqarTvelos

sawinaaRmdegod gamoiyena?! bolos

da bolos, amas sjobda,

saerTod araferi eTqva... xazaraZes

amaze, albaT, Tavisi pasuxi

eqneba... sxva argumentic

maqvs, xazaraZis ratomac ar

mjera.

_ da es sxva argumenti ra

aris?

_ ai, magaliTad, wlebis ganmavlobaSi

misgan arasodes momismenia,

sabanko procentebi

davwioT da saqarTveloSi e. w.

dasavluri procenti iyoso...

erTi sityviT, yvelafers

ise vuyureb, rogorc rigiTi

moqalaqe da politikosis mxolod

„tyavSi ver SevZveri”!

simarTle rom giTxraT, Cemi

personis mTeli xiblic, mgoni,

swored esaa...

_ geTanxmebiT, magram, Tako,

Tqveni azriT, opozicionerebi

erTmaneTs Tavs ratom es-

xmian?

_ Salva naTelaSvilis ofisis

magididan rom wamovedi,

Tako Carkviani:

`dRes ivaniSvilia

dasamarcxebeli

da opozicia

erTmaneTs ar

unda veCxuboT!~

albaT, gaxsovT, maSin erTi ambavi

atexes, _ rogor, erTobas

emijnebio? axla yvelas vekiTxebi:

romel erTobas? aba, er-

Toba sad aris?

_ hoda, opoziciuri

konklaobis mizezi ra aris?

_ maSinac vambobdi da axlac

gavimeoreb: rogor SeiZleba,

erToba ideis gareSe iyos? sxvaTa

Soris, albaT, akvirdebiT,

rom garkveuli partiebis reitingebi

qvemoT modis, „strategia

aRmaSeneblis” reitingi

ki izrdeba. arada, es bloki

sul ori Tvisaa.

_ ukacravad, amiT xazs ras

usvamT?

_ „strategia aRmaSenebeli”

swor gzas adgas. SeiZleba, vi-

Racam ikiTxos, es swori gza ra

ariso? ra da, _ saqmeze orientireba!

gundSi, romelic ramdenime

dRis win warvadgineT,

asaki gaviTvaliswineT, anu asakovan

da gamocdil adamianebTan

konsultaciebi yovelTvis

`xazaraZe - ar momwons. amoCemebuli ki ar

myavs, ubralod, adamianurad ar vendobi da

pirdapirac vetyvi, rom ori wlis winaT

sakuTar `mrevls~ mimarTa da uTxra, salome

airCieT, zurabiSvilio. es mowodeba CemTvis

lakmusis qaRaldi iyo~

unda iyos, magram qveyanas aRm-

SeneblobisTvis axla axalgazrduli

energia sWirdeba, radgan

am qveyanaSi rogorme saSualo

fena gaCndes. „strategia

aRmaSeneblis” gundi mxolod

da mxolod amazea orientirebuli.

aba, miTxariT, saSualo

fena romel qveyanaSi ar aris?

aseTi qveyana mxolod ruseTia!

_ ise, mas Semdeg, rac „nacionalurma

moZraobam” pro-

porciuli sia gaasajarova,

romlis pirveli nomeric mom-

Rerali buba kikabiZea, bevrs

gauCnda gancda, rom 31 oqtom-

bris arCevnebi gayidulia. Tako,

aseTi STabeWdileba Tqvenc,

rogorc „Zala erToba-

Sias” yofil wevrsac, xom ar

SegeqmnaT?

_ sityva „gayiduls” ar gamoviyeneb,

magram raRacebi rom

ar momewona, „Zala erToba-

Siadan” amitom wamovedi da yvelaferi

es axla, mgoni, ufro

kargad Cans, Tumca es baton

bubas ar exeba.

_ mainc, ra ar mogewonaT?

_ saerTod, niuansebze xmama-

Rla saubrisgan yovelTvis

Tavs vikaveb xolme, Tumca zogjer,

roca qalbatonebi raRacebs

amboben, iZulebuli var,

sicrue Sevusworo.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ ai, magaliTad, Tqves, Tako

Carkviani saburTalos maJoritarobis

kandidatad „strategia

aRmaSenebelma” waradginao,

magram arqivi arsebobs da yvelam

kargad icis, rom saburTalos

maJoritarobis kandidatad

partia „kanonma da samar-

Talma” maSin damasaxela, sanam

„strategia aRmaSenebeli” Seiqmneboda.

ase rom, amaSi sakamaTo

araferia. mokled, yvelas

veubnebi, tyuils nu ityvian,

Torem vupasuxeb. sxva SemTxvevaSi,

kolegebTan polemikaSi

Sesvlis survili ar maqvs.

_ es gasagebia, magram „nac-

moZraobis” siaze ras metyviT?

_ ar vityvi, rogori STabe-

Wdileba Semeqmna, Tumca ar momewona.

sxvaTa Soris, yvelaferi

es bevrad ufro adre ar

momewona, vidre yvelafer amas

Tqven naxavdiT. mokled, CemT-

4 N23 (325) 06.10-.12.10.2020 w.


adgas da es gza saqmeze orientirebaa!~

vis Rirebulebebis aRreva rom

daiwyo, vfiqrob, koreqtulad

da gangaSis gareSe wamovedi.

aravisTvis araferi mikadrebia,

magram didi xania, erTmaneTs

vicnobT da kargad iciT, iq

arasodes davrCebi, sadac

CemTvis rame miuRebelia!

_ Tako, Tundac imitom, rom

opoziciis am flangidan mxolod

TqvenTvis ki ara, bev-

risTvis raRacebi miuRebelia,

gamoricxavT, saqarTveloSi

demokratia sabolod dasamardes,

anu 31 oqtombris Sem-

deg „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

mesame vadiTac darCes?

_ Zalian kargi iqneba, Tu

opoziciis warmomadgenlebi

erTmaneTs ar daxocaven... sxva-

Ta Soris, arc „evropuli

saqarTvelos” klipi momewona.

SeiZleba, oponireba gauwio,

magram es ra wesia? _ „ocnebasa”

da opozicias erT doneze ayeneb

da mere ambob, ivaniSvilis

damarcxeba mindao. amis ar

mjera da ra vqna?! amas rom vambob,

swyinT, ratom ambobo.

_ hoda, yvelaferi es „ocnebas”

Sanss xom ar aZlevs, xe-

lisuflebaSi mesame vadiTac

darCes?

_ diax, imis xarjze, Tu opozicia

erTmaneTs daxocavs,

„ocneba” xelisuflebaSi mesame

vadiT aucileblad darCeba!

swored amitomac veubnebi, wesierad

moiqeciT, sircxviliameTqi.

_ da es „wesierad moqceva”

ras niSnavs?

_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,

oponireba sxva ramea, tyuilebis

laparaki ki _ sxva. roca

vinme rames ambobs, dokumentebiTa

da faqtebiT unda gaamagros...

mokled, Tu ase gagrZelda,

rasac axla vxedavT, yvelaferi

cudad damTavrdeba...

_ Tako, ra amis pasuxia da,

iman, rom kovidinfeqcia dagidasturdaT

da ori kvira aq-

tiur politikas gamoeTiSeT,

Tqveni, rogorc saburTalos

maJoritarobis

kandidatis

Sansebi xom ar Seamcira?

_ ara!

_ damisabuTeT, ase ratom

fiqrobT?

_ xalxTan urTierToba axla

ki ara, didi xnis win daviwye.

saerTod, raRacebze laparaki

meuxerxuleba, magram iZulebuli

var, vTqva: is, rasac eseni

maJoritarobasa da xalxis daxmarebas

eZaxian, Cemi cxovrebis

wesia. vin-vin da Tqven yvelaze

kargad iciT, rom mTeli cxovreba

amas vakeTeb. viRacisTvis

es SeiZleba, maJoritarobisTvis

zrunvaa, magram raRacebs

maJoritarobis kandidatobis

gareSec vakeTeb da momavalSic

gavakeTeb. ase rom, mniSvneloba

ar aqvs, axla ubanSi gamovCndebi

Tu ara. saburTaloelebma

isec zustad ician, vin vinaa!

_ vTqvaT, ise moxda, rom 31

oqtombers saparlamento mandatebi,

„strategia aRmaSeneblis”

mzardi reitingis miuxe-

`strategia aRmaSenebeli~ swor gzas adgas. SeiZleba, viRacam ikiTxos, es

swori gza ra ariso? ra da, - saqmeze orientireba! gundSi, romelic

ramdenime dRis win warvadgineT, asaki gaviTvaliswineT, anu asakovan da

gamocdil adamianebTan konsultaciebi yovelTvis unda iyos, magram qveyanas

aRmSeneblobisTvis axla axalgazrduli energia sWirdeba, radgan am

qveyanaSi rogorme saSualo fena gaCndes. `strategia aRmaSeneblis~ gundi

mxolod da mxolod amazea orientirebuli. aba, miTxariT, saSualo fena

romel qveyanaSi ar aris? aseTi qveyana mxolod ruseTia!~

davad, „ocnebam” da „naciona-

lurma moZraobam” gaiyo, ras

izamT?

_ xom xedavT, Zalian imedianad

da SemarTebiT var.

_ sxva ram gkiTxeT da,

ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?

_ naxavT, „strategia aRmaSenebels”

rogori warmatebac eqneba.

amitomac Cems kolegebs

kidev erTxel vurCev da veubnebi,

_ parlamentSi msxvil opoziciur

partiebs urTierToba

mogviwevs. diax, „strategia aRmaSenebeli”

finalSi didi warmatebiT

gava! ise, Cemgan aseTi

kategoriuli gancxadeba aqamde

xom ar mogismeniaT?

_ ara...

_ rasac axla vambob, imaSi

darwmunebuli var da es Zalian

logikuricaa.

_ ki batono, magram ratom

ar uSvebT, rom „strategia

aRmaSenebels” saarCevno Sede-

gebi gauyalbon?

_ es rTuli Temaa, magram

xalxma sakuTari xmebi unda daicvas!

_ rogor?

_ eseni gayalbebis ostatebi

arian da koronasa da, saerTod,

yvelafers saTavisod gamoiyeneben!

ramdenime dRis win

ivaniSvilis „spiCi” movismine,

romelsac cinizmsac ver davarqmev.

es tipuri rusi mmarTveli

iyo! diax, saqarTveloSi

putinis marTvis stilia da meti

araferi! amitom es adamiani

unda wavides! xalxi aseT siRaribeSia

da am dros ivaniSvili

`ramdenime dRis win ivaniSvilis `spiCi~

movismine, romelsac cinizmsac ver davarqmev. es

tipuri rusi mmarTveli iyo! diax,

saqarTveloSi putinis marTvis stilia da meti

araferi! amitom es adamiani unda wavides!~

aseT sisulelebs laparakobs!

iciT, yvelaze metad ra maRizianebs?

_ ra?

_ viRacebi kiTxuloben,

rogor, dendrologiuri parki

ar mogwonTo?

_ sityvam moitana da, ar

mogwonT?

_ gasagebia, rom dendrologiuri

parki lamazia, magram

idiotebi ratom vgonivarT?

jer erTi, raRacebi iqneb, miliarder

ivaniSvilze gacilebiT

adre gvaqvs nanaxi. meorec, gaeros

monacemebiT, saqarTveloSi

77 aTasi baSvi SimSilobs

da xalxi, romelic gamgeobas

daxmarebas sTxovda, mewyerSi

yveba, am dros ra dendrologiur

parkzea laparaki? qarTvelma

elementarulad xorcis

gemo aRar icis da eseni dendrologiur

parkze saubroben.

bolos da bolos, RmerTisa da

gangebis ar geSiniaT?!

erTi sityviT, yvelafer amas

xalxi Zalian kargad xedavs da

swor arCevansac gaakeTebs.

sxvaTa Soris, Cemi da giorgi

vaSaZis SeTanxmeba iyo, rom

Cvens gundSi erTi „naTrevi”

saxec ar yofiliyo. droa, axalgazrdebs

imis saSualeba mivceT,

rom sakuTari qveynis mSeneblobaSi

erTi aguri dadon.

igive proporciuli sia swored

am principiT davakompleqteT.

gavkadnierdebi da erTsac vityvi:

garkveuli adamianebis rigi

idga.

_ sad?

_ gvarebs ar davasaxeleb da

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Zalian aqtiuri wevri

iyo batoni TalakvaZe, romelic

axla mkacri toniT saubrobs „nacionalebis”

reJimze. arada, roca

Cveni moqalaqeebi am reJimTan

brZolas ewirebodnen, aCo da

misnairebi reJims amagrebdnen da

cxovrebas iwyobdnen. aseTi personebi

politikaSi mravlad arian.

isini yvela xelisuflebis pirobebSi

kargad cxovroben. Sei-

Zleba iTqvas, rom sul amaTi

droa. sul erTi da igive xalxis

dro rogor aris am qveyanaSi?

riT veRar unda moviSoroT es

medroveebi? gadaWames qveyana da

gaaubedures xalxi, magram mainc

ar isveneben.

_ TqviT, rom aCo TalakvaZisnairi

tipebi yvela xelisu-

flebas ergebian. saswauli Tu

moxda da 2020 wlis arCevnebi

opoziciam moigo, aseT medro-

veebs Tavis rigebSi miiRebs?

_ opoziciis gamarjveba am ar-

CevnebSi saswauli iqneba. es aris

kanonzomiereba. „qarTuli ocneba”

oqtombris bolos warsuls

unda CavabaroT. rac Seexeba am

medroveebis miRebas, amasTan dakavSirebiT

opozicia winaswar

unda SevTanxmdeT. unda vTqvaT,

rom vinc medroveebs Tavis rigebSi

miiRebs da maT berketad

gamoiyenebs, iseTive damnaSave iqneba,

rogoric dRevandeli oligarqiuli

mmarTvelobaa.

_ opozicia SeTanxmebas Se-

ZlebT?

_ unda movaxerxoT.

_ maT Tavidan moSorebas

rogor apirebT? parlamentSi

xom Semovlen viRacebi „ocne-

bidan”, imaT ras mouxerxebT?

_ am sakiTxis mogvareba cota

rTuli iqneba. maTTan, rogorc

parlamentis wevrebTan, mogviwevs

TanamSromloba. „qocebi” xom

ar varT, adamianebs umizezod

SevuCeroT deputatis uflebamosileba

da parlamentidan gavyaroT.

_ aravis SeuwyvetT deputa-

tis uflebamosilebas?

_ mxolod imaT, visac sisxlis

samarTlis danaSauli aqvs Cadenili.

parlamentidan gaviyvanT

biznesmenebsac.

_ biznesmeni deputatebi Tu

gayareT, vinRa darCeba parla-

mentSi?

_ sakmarisad darCebian, rac

Seexeba biznesmen deputatebs,

konstituciaSi pirdapir gviweria,

rom parlamentis wevri biznessaqmianobas

ar unda eweodes.

konstituciis es principi ar mu-

Saobs. problemebic amitom aris.

es biznesmenebi parlamentSi mxolod

imitom Sedian, rom qoneba

gazardon. deputatis mandatiT

ufro iolia mravalmilioniani

tenderebis mogeba da korufciul

garigebebSi Sesvla.

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àrCevnebze Tu `qarTul ocnebas~ gauWirda,

Sorena marsagiSvili

gasul kviras mecxre mowvevis

parlamentma muSaoba daasrula,

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romelmac uprincipobiT dag-

vamaxsovra Tavi. ukeTesi parlamenti, savaraudod, arc meaTe

mowvevis iqneba. partiebma iseTi siebi warmoadgines, kargi

arCevanis gakeTeba, ubralod, SeuZlebelia. momavali parlamentisgan

saswaulebs arc politologi petre mamraZe elo-

deba. misTvis arc imedgacruebuli amomrCevlis xilvaa ucxo.

rogor keTdeba fuli poli-

tikaSi? ramdeni partia unda

iyos saqarTveloSi? vis evale-

ba situaciis gafuWeba? vin

unda waarTvas saakaSvils xmebi?

ra direqtiva miiRo „evro-

pulma saqarTvelom”? ratom

ar undodaT „ocnebaSi” ivaniS-

vilis politikaSi dabruneba?

_ amis Sesaxeb „qronika+”-s pe-

tre mamraZe esaubreba:

_ batono petre, gasuli kviris

mTavari Tema da imedgacrueba

partiebis saarCevno sie-

bi iyo. opoziciam sabrZolo

siebis nacvlad ucnauri siebi

warmoadgina. Tqven ras ityv-

iT?

_ aseTi rame sxva drosac

momxdara. amomrCevels adrec

araerTxel gaucruvda imedi.

rodesac damoukidebloba movipoveT,

bevrs egona rom 3 weliwadSi

germaniasa da holandias

gavaswrebdiT cxovrebis

doniT. rom Cveni borjomi da

Cai daipyrobda msoflio bazars.

xSirad mesmoda aseTi frazebi,

_ ise vicxovrebT, quvei-

Ti monagoni iqneba saqarTvelosTan

SedarebiTo. imasac amtkicebdnen,

imdeni hidroresursi

gvaqvs, energodamoukideblebi

xom viqnebiT da iqiT gavyidiT

denso.

Zalian did imeds amyarebda

xalxi SevardnaZeze, roca is

moskovidan saqarTveloSi dabrunda.

imeds amyarebdnen saakaSvilzec,

roca qveyanaSi „vardebis

revolucia” moxda. xalxi

didi imediT Sexvda ivaniSvilis

politikaSi Semosvlasac. xelisuflebis

saTaveSi misi mosvlis

Semdeg bevri fiqrobda,

rom saqarTvelo ise icxovrebda,

rogorc Worvila da yvelaferi

ufaso iqneboda.

araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar vambob,

rom yvela ase msjelobs da

yvelas aseTi molodini aqvs.

bevri skeptikurad ganwyobili

da saRad moazrovne adamianic

Semxvedria. isini naTlad afaseben

qveyanaSi mimdinare movlenebs,

magram arian adamianebi,

romlebsac Warbi molodini

aqvT. amis gamo nu gavakritikebT

Cvens sazogadoebas. yvela

politologi da makrosociologi

ver iqneba.

saqarTveloSi dRes bevri

politikuri Zalaa, magram arc

erTi maTgani ar aris politikuri

partia. dReisTvis registrirebulia

260-mde partia.

arc erTi maTgani ar aris dakavSirebuli

organulad sazogadebis

ama Tu im jgufTan da,

Sesabamisad, arc aravis ainteresebs,

ras warmoadgenen.

50-ze meti partia monawile-

petre mamraZe:

`biZina

ivaniSvilis

politikaSi

dabrunebas bevri

misi Tanapartieli

ewinaaRmdegeboda~

obs saparlamento arCevnebSi.

yvelas esmis, rom saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis raodenobidan gamomdinare

es Zalian maRali cifria.

arsebul socialurekonomikur

mdgomareobas Tu

gaviTvaliswinebT, saqarTvelo-

Si 3-4 partiaze meti ar unda

iyos. fizikurad es SeuZlebelia.

CvenTan kidev 200-ze meti

partiaa.

partiebis gamravlebas xels

uwyobs arsebuli kanonmdebloba,

romlis mixedviTac politikuri

partiebi finansdebian.

partiebi im SemTxvevaSic ki

Rebuloben biujetidan dafinansebas,

Tu parlaments miRma

darCebian.

2016 wels parlamentSi mxolod

sami politikuri partia

Sevida. eseni iyvnen „qarTuli

ocneba”, „nacionaluri moZraoba”,

romelsac Semdeg „evropuli

saqarTvelo” gamoeyo da „patriotTa

aliansi”. partiebis

dafinanseba gaizarda 10 milioniT.

gaizarda biujetidan

dafinansebuli partiebis ricxvic.

es dafinanseba partebis warmomadgenlebs

saimisod hyofniT,

rom kargad icxovron.

partiebis liderebs SeuZliaT

Zvirfasi manqanebisa da saxlebis

yidva. gia volskis axasiaTebs

moswrebuli sityva-pasuxi. man

30 partiis konsensusze Tqva,

eseni rian 30 indmewarmeo. Cven-

Si politika ukve biznesad iqca.

saqarTveloSi sakmaod arian

adamianebi, romlebic ukve daeuflnen

am bizness, Tavis cnobadobasa

da mis gverdiT arsebul

patar-patara jgufebs piradi

gamdidrebisTvis iyeneben.

es aris maTi biznesi, romlis

wyalobiTac Tavad da maT gar-

Semo arsebuli viwro jgufebi

kargad cxovroben. isini

miekuTvnebian finansur elitas.

zogierTs Tavisi sxva Semosavalic

aqvs, magram politika-

Si yofna da cnobadoba biznesis

dacvaSi exmareba. politika

saWiro kontaqtebis damyareba-

Sic uwyobs xels. me vicnob aseT

pirovnebebs. adamianebs aqvT

patara partia da sakmaod didi

biznesi. amis miuxedavad, isini

mosaxleobis nawilSi mainc

politikosebad aRiqmebian. CvenTan

xom asea, gamoCnda televiziiT,

e. i. politikosia.

_ CvenTan marTla mTavaria

telvizorSi gamoCena. mere an

politikosi xdebi, an eqsper-

tad iTvlebi.

_ samwuxarod, sazogadoeba

ase aRiqvams.

_ volskis rogor SeiZleba

daveTanxmo, magram politiko-

sebis didi nawili marTlac

indmewarmea. ise, sainteresoa,

volski Tavis Tanapartielebze

ras fiqrobs, maTac indmewamee-

bad Tvlis?

_ am SemTxvevaSi volski mar-

Talia. rac Seexeba „qarTul

ocnebaSi” myof pirebs, vis da

ras emsaxurebian isini, es saubris

calke Temaa. dRevandeli

politikosebidan klasikuri

gagebiT arc erTi araa politikosi.

arc erTs ar aqvs mrwamsi

da gegma, mrwamsis politikosebi

iyvnen margaret tetCeri da

eduard SevardnaZe. amis Sesaxeb

senatori makkeinic ambobda.

isini mzad iyvnen, mrwamsis gamo,

Tanamdebobidan gadamdgariyvnen

_ Cemi Tu ar gadis, maSin wavalo.

SevardnaZe erTaderTi

iyo, romelic gorbaCovis mTavrobaSi

gadadga. man kargad

Camoayaliba gadadgomis mizezi.

ganacxada, ar minda, im ambebis

monawile viyo, romelic male

Cvens qveyanaSi datrialdebao.

Tqva, diqtatura modis da Cemi

gadadgoma gafrTxileba iyoso.

Cveni politikosebis SemTxvevaSi

msgavss arafers unda velodoT,

radganac mrwamsis politikosebTan

ar gvaqvs saqme,

es gaxlavT wminda komerciuli

speqtri. am adamianebisTvis misaRebia

nebismieri gegma, romliTac

moigebs xalxis guls. aravin

fiqrobs imaze, Tu ra moxdeba,

roca xelisuflebaSi movlen

da rogor ganaxorcieleben

am gegmas. dRes bevri partia

debs pirobas, rom gazrdis xelfasebsa

da pensiebs, magram

arc erTi akonkretebs, Tu rogor

gaakeTeben amas. es sruliad

upasuxismgeblo gancxadebebia.

politikur bazarze mTavari

xom isaa, rac SeiZleba meti

qula moipovo. mxolod amaze

arian Cveni politikosebi orientirebulebi.

amitom gvaqvs

aseTi mwvave dapirispirebebi. am

`SevardnaZe erTaderTi iyo, romelic

gorbaCovis mTavrobaSi gadadga. man kargad

Camoayaliba gadadgomis mizezi. ganacxada, ar

minda, im ambebis monawile viyo, romelic

male Cvens qveyanaSi datrialdebao. Tqva,

diqtatura modis da Cemi gadadgoma

gafrTxileba iyoso~

pandemiuri situaciis miuxedavad,

cema-tyepa moxda marneul-

Si, igive procesebi SeiZleba

sxvaganac ganviTardes. es agresia

imitomaa, rom adamianebi arsebobisTvis

ibrZvian. eseni arian

klanebis wevrebi, romlebmac

kargad ician, rom maTi ekonomikuri

mdgomareoba damokidebulia

imaze, Tu rogor Caivlis

es yvelaferi da bosebi rogor

Seafaseben maT wvlils.

arasdros damaviwydeba 2012

wlis zafxuli, maSin „qarTuli

ocneba” jer isev opoziciaSi

iyo da regionebSi atarebda saarCevno

kampanias. xaSurSic Cavidnen

da iq maSindeli garemos

dacvis ministr goga xaCiZis

mamam da dam namdvili brZola

gamarTes. im brZolaSi klnaWebic

Canda da kbilebic. am adamianebis

qmedebaSi aSkarad ikveTeboda

motivi _ Tu axla davTme,

ara marto damTavrdeba kargi

cxovreba, aramed SeiZleba

Cveni pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxic

ki dadges, Cveni kargad yofna

damokidebulia statuszeo.

meeWveba, rom xaCiZis ojaxis wevrebi

raRac mrwamsis gamo daupirispirdnen

maSin opozicias.

aseve gagaxsenebT sportis

sasaxleSi erT-erT turnirze

momxdar Zalian cud incidents:

Widaobis federaciis prezidentma

erT-erT moWidaves (evropis

Cempionia is biWi) zambaris

formis rkina Caartya saxeSi.

axalgazrdam sakmaod seriozuli

dazianeba miiRo.

_ eg arakacoba gega gege-

SiZem Caidina.

_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, ra

gvaria amis Camdeni adamiani.

mTavari isaa, rom is saerTod

ar dasjila imis miuxedavad,

rom am incidents didi gamoxmaureba

mohyva. am faqtis ase

datoveba warmoudgeneli iyo.

„qocebTan” dakavSirebul kompetentur

adamiansebs vkiTxe,

Tu ratom ar dasajes gega gege-

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mas èvropuli saqarTvelo~ daexmareba~

SiZe? ase miTxres _ ra vqnaT,

rogor davsajoT, eg gegeSiZe

Tavis moadgilesTan erTad

samegreloSi momxdari cematyepis

dros bolomde kacurad

dagvidga gverdiTo.

_ korcxelis incidents

gulisxmobdnen?

_ ki, magaze saubrobdnen.

aseT rames rom ityvis xelisuflebasTan

daaxloebuli piri,

iq ukve yvelaferi gasagebia.

cema-tyepaSi monawileoba Tu

kacurad gverdSi dadgomad

fasdeba, Zalian cudia. xelisufleba

ver acnobierebs, rom

aseTi ambebis Semdeg legitimurobas

katastrofulad kargavs.

wesiT, aseTi kaci unda gadaemalaT,

magram „ocnebam” Riad

gviTxra, rom gega gegaSiZes

ar dasjida. aseTi faqtebi Zalian

bevria. sportul federaciebSi

erTmaneTs ukve esvrian

kidevac. adre aeTi rameebi

qarTul sportSi ar xdeboda.

_ isev im Temas davubrun-

deT, riTic saubari daviwyeT.

aSkaraa, rom TqvenSi saarCevno

siebs aranairi gakvirveba da

imedgacrueba ar gamouwvevia.

_ velodi, rom ase iqneboda.

Tavad saarCevno siebis warmodgena

Zalian yuradsaRebi procesia.

„lelos” sia gaxlavT yvelaze

saintereso. iq iseTi xalxia

Cawerili, romlebic politikasTan

didad asocirebuli

ar arian da es raRac momentSi

SeiZleba momgebiani iyos.

_ ratom unda iyos es momge-

biani?

_ imitom, rom sityva politikosic

ki sazogadoebis did

nawilSi gaRizianebas iwvevs.

_ amis miuxedavad, yvela

mainc politikaSi midis, sadac

Zalian didi fulis Sovna Sei-

Zleba.

_ politikaSi adamianebi, ZiriTadad,

fulis saSovnelad

modian da es qarTvelebs Zalian

nu gagvakvirvebs. msoflios

bevr qveyanaSi zustad aseTi situaciaa,

maT Soris, aRmosavleT

evropis qveynebSi. zogier-

Ti es qveyana evrokavSirisa da

natos wevria. pirdapir devs

kvlevebi, Tu rogor modian axal-axali

jgufebi xelisuflebaSi

imisTvis, rom qveyana gaZarcvon.

sainteresoa, rom es

jgufebi xelisuflebaSi antikorufciuli

lozungebiT modin.

_ kargia, rom am ambavSi mso-

flioSi martoni ar varT. sxva

Tu araferi, Cvenken xels ver

gamoiSveren.

_ martoni ki ara, am mxriv

Zalian Seicvala viTareba. ramdenime

wlis winaT veravin warmoidgenda,

rom amerikis saTaveSi

odesme iseTi TaRliTi

movidoda, rogoric donald

trampia. arc boris jonsoni

unda mosuliyo, wesiT, britane-

Tis xelisuflebis saTaveSi.

trampi Cveulebrivi TaRli-

Tia. gaflanga mamamisis qoneba.

ramdenjerme gamoacxada Tavi

bankrotad. amerikelebi seriozulad

swavloben mis gamosvlebs

da daskvnebic dades, sadac

weria, rom trampi rac prezidenti

gaxda, dReSi eqvsjer

Tu Svidjer ityueba.

_ garda amisa, is araserio-

zulic aris.

_ Zalian araseriozulia.

amerikas hyavs Zalian gamoCenili

da Zlieri diplomatebi, msgavss

msoflioSi versad naxavT.

isini Riad weren, rom trampi

aris Cveni saxelmwifoebriobis

dauZinari mteri. trampi aris

pirovneba, romelsac pirdapir

samoqalaqo dapirispirebisken

mihyavs saqme. man Tqva, rom Tu

ar gavimarjveb, arCevnebis Sedegebs

ar vaRiarebo. obamam er-

Txel wyeniT Tqva, rom amerikis

politikaSi zedmetad didi fuli

Semovidao. sadac didi fulia,

iq yvelaferi yiravdeba.

amerikelebma es veRar gaakontroles

da situacia auyiravdaT.

_ amerikaSi Tu didi fuli

yvelafers ayiravebs, CvenisT-

ana Ratak qveyanas ras uzams?

_ 24 saukunis winaT Cvennair

qveynebze aristotele sain-

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`qocebTan~ dakavSirebul kompetentur adamianebs vkiTxe, Tu ratom ar

dasajes gega gegeSiZe? ase miTxres - ra vqnaT, rogor davsajoT, eg gegeSiZe

Tavis moadgilesTan erTad samegreloSi momxdari cema-tyepis dros

bolomde kacurad dagvidga gverdiTo~

tereso raRacas werda. is ambobda,

Tu ise moxda, rom polisSi

SedarebiT Zalian mdidrebi

da SedarebiT Zalian

Raribebi gaCndnen, iq ukve aRar

aris samoqalaqo sazogadoeba.

iq patronebsa da momsaxure

personals Soris iseTi urTierToba

yalibdeba, roca er-

Tisgan sufevs zizRi da qedmaRloba,

meorisgan ki zizRi da

gautanloba modis.

_ CvenTanac ase ar aris?

_ asea. aristotele geniosi

iyo.

_ qarTul politikaSi arse-

bul fulzec visaubroT.

Zalian didi fuli aqvs ivaniS-

vils. ufulobas arc opozicia

uCivis. siebSi bevri swored am

fulis gamo moxvda.

_ isev 2016 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebs gavixseneb: maSin

73 maJoritaruli olqi iyo.

„qocebma” yvela olqi moiges.

amiT xalxis TvalSi Tavisi legitimuroba

aifeTqes. 73 ma-

Joritaridan 52 meore turSi

gavida da ase moiges arCevnebi.

isic imitom, rom mosaxleobam

xeli Caiqnia da aravin wavida

arCevnebze meore turSi. „oc-

`lelos~ sia gaxlavT yvelaze saintereso. iq

iseTi xalxia Cawerili, romlebic

politikasTan didad asocirebuli ar arian da

es raRac momentSi SeiZleba momgebiani iyos~

nebam” ki sakuTari xalxis mobilizeba

moaxdina. didi fulis

Cayris miuxedavad, pirvelive

turSi 73 kandidatidan mxolod

21-ma gaimarjva. gadaxedeT ma-

Joritarebis Semadgenlobas, _

iseT adamianebs arCevdnen,

visac didi fuli hqonda da

SeZlebdnen, saarCevno kampania

Tavadve daefinansebinaT. ma-

JoritarebSi iseTebic mravlad

arian, romlebic yvela xelisuflebas

moergnen.

_ aseTebi momavalSic

iqnebian.

_ aseTi medroveebi sul

iqnebian. aseTnairebisgan qarTuli

politika kidev didxans

ver ganTavisufldeba. sxva tipis

politikosebic mravlad

gamoCndebian. CvenSi giorgi

vaSaZis saxiT TiTqos axali

fenomeni gamoCnda. am adamianis

plakatebi da bilbordebi mTel

TbilisSia gamokruli. amis gan-

Tavseba iafi ar jdeba. saidan

modis es fuli? vin afinansebs

giorgi vaSaZes? an risTvis finansdeba

is? me arafers vamtkiceb,

magram man SeiZleba gamfuWeblis

misia Seasrulos. es

maTac kargad ician, vinc mas

afinansebs.

_ gamfuWeblis misiis Ses-

rulebaSi ras gulisxmobT?

_ giorgi vaSaZemac da misma

damfinanseblebmac kargad

ician, rom is verasdros gaxdeba

premieri, amis miuxedavad,

vaSaZe mainc yviris, premieri

gavxdebio. is „qarTul ocnebas”

verasdros waarTmevs xmebs. samagierod,

SeZlebs im xmebis

wamoRebas, romelic mixeil

saakaSvilTan wavidoda.

araerTxel momismenia, rom

miSa is aRar aris da rogorc

lideri, gamoifita. vaSaZeze

amboben, modiT, vnaxoT, rgori

kacia, Tan mas iusticiis saxlebi

aqvs gakeTebulio. bevrs moswons

es axalgazrda. aseTebi

cotani ar arian. bevri vaSaZis

saxels vano CxartiSvilsac

ukavSirebs. es axalgazrda CxartiSvilis

siZea. amboben, rom

vano mas afinansebs. CxartiSvili

biZinasTan aris dakavSirebuli

da is „ocnebis” lideris

winaaRmdeg TeTrsac ar daxarjavs.

amitomac gaCnda versia,

rom vaSaZis faqtoris gamoyenebiT

xelisufleba cdilobs,

miSa saakaSvils xmebi waarTvas.

20 welze meti xani viyavi

politikasa da sajaro samsaxurSi.

Zalian bevri da seriozuli

kavSiri maqvs. Cemma nacnobebma

ician, rom Tu raRac

informacias momawvdian, maT

vinaobas arasdros gavamxel.

arasdros vityvi, ras miyveboda

miSa, rodesac erTad vmu-

SaobdiT. axlac wyaros dasaxelebis

gareSe mogiyvebiT raRacas:

araerTi regionidan momivida

informacia imis Sesaxeb,

Tu ra direqtiva gaica „evroqocebSi”

(„evropuli saqarTvelo”).

am partiaSi iTqva, rom Tu

„qarTul ocnebas” gauWirda,

Cveni mas vexmarebiTo.

_ es seriozuli informa-

ciaa?

_ Zalian seriozuli. ramdenime

regionidan miviRe amis Sesaxeb

informacia. es rom asea,

amaze isic metyvelebs, rom „evroqocebisTvis”

muSaobas ramdenime

seriozulma adamianma

daaneba Tavi.

_ visze saubrobT?

_ gvarebs ar vasaxeleb, isini

Tavis droze miSa saakaSvilis mxardamWerebi

iyvnen. mere dainaxes,

rom „evroqocebi” ufro seriozulebi

iyvnen da maT gverdiT

dadgnen, axla ki dainaxes, rom

partiam SesaZloa, „qarTul ocnebas”

gauwios daxmareba. maT ar

surT imaze imuSaon, rame rom

iyos, mTeli xmebi ivaniSvilis

partiisken wavides. es patiosani

saqcielia. am adamianebs saqciels

vuwoneb imis miuxedavad, rom

ivaniSvils vuWer mxars. mravali

welia, rac vmuSaob da kargad

vici, Tu ra aris „qarTul ocnebaze”

uaresi. amitomac vuWer

ivaniSvils mxars. me mas saqarTvelos

istoriaSi yvelaze did

qvelmoqmeds vuwodeb da Zalian

ar momwons, roca mas ebrZvian. mas

is xalxi ebrZvis, romelic maSin

Zarcvavda qveyanas, roca biZina

qvelmoqmedebas eweoda. ivaniSvili

dResac eweva qvelmoqmedebas.

aba, moikiTxeT, ras udris

bokerias qoneba? es qoneba Zalian

gaizarda mas Semdeg, rac „qarTuli

ocneba” movida xelisufleba-

Si. am ambavSi esaa yvelaze saintereso.

sxvaTa qonebac mniSvnelovnad

gaizarda. arCevnebze

mivdivarT imisTvis, rom rac Sei-

Zleba naklebi boroteba avirCioT.

patroni mova da qveyanas mixedavs,

_ es momenti aRar aris.

ivaniSvilma araerTxel Tqva wyeniT,

rom, samwuxarod, Cvens

xalxs ar Seswevs imis unari da

Zala, mis mier moyvanili xelisufleba

gaakontroloso. ivaniSvilma

Semdegic Tqva, _ me rom

movindome partiis liderad dabruneba,

Zalian bevr Cemi Tanagundeli

amis kategoriuli winaaRmdegi

wavida, magram ar eyoT

resursi da SevZeli dabrunebao.

daskvnebi Tavad gaakeTeT.

9


`nacmoZraoba~ da `qocmoZraoba~ dRes erTmaneTTan zustad

mas Semdeg, rac „Zala erToba-

giorgi abaSiZe

Siam”, romlis xerxemalic „nacio-

naluri moZraobaa”, proporciuli

sia gaasajarova, socialur qselSi aqtiurad musirebs azri, rom

e. w. mTavarma opoziciurma Zalam arCevnebi gayida. danamdvilebiT

ver vityviT, marTlac asea Tu ara, magram „Tavisufa-

li saqarTvelos” lideri, kaxa kukava, „qronika+~-sTan ambobs,

rom yofili samTavrobo partia gamarjvebisTvis ar ibrZvis.

ras niSnavs politikaSi „avi

ZaRloba” da rogor ayalbeben

calkeuli organizaciebi so-

ciologiur gamokiTxvebs? _

„qronika+~ „Tavisufali saqarTvelos”

liders, vakis maJoritarobis

kandidat kaxa kukavas es-

aubra, romelic ambobs, rom misi

partia „SuaSistur” ki ara, e. w.

gadauwyvetel, e. i., im amomrCevelze

muSaobs, romelsac poli-

tikuri procesebi saerTod ar

ainteresebs:

_ batono kaxa, arCevnebamde

Tveze naklebia darCenili. rog-

ori ganwyoba gaqvT da, saerTod,

31 oqtombridan ras elodebiT?

_ ganwyoba samuSao maqvs da velodebi,

rom 31 oqtombers „Tavisufalma

saqarTvelom” rac Sei-

Zleba meti xma miiRos, Tumca arsebuli

viTarebidan gamomdinare,

mesmis, rom Sedegi uSromelad da

ubrZolvelad ar dadgeba.

sxvaTa Soris, Zalian daZabuli

arCevnebia, gansakuTrebiT, finansuri

ineqciebidan gamomdinare da,

bunebrivia, arameinstrimuli da

arasistemuri partiebi meti riskis

qveS varT, anu naklebi garantiebi

gvaqvs, Tumca miuxedavad

amisa, vcdilobT, is amomrCeveli,

romelic aqamde politikur procesSi

aqtiurad ar yofila CarTuli,

movizidoT.

_ e. w. SuaSistur eleqtor-

atze amyarebT imeds?

_ ufro sworad, gadauwyvetel

amomrCevelze, radgan SuaSistebs

pozicia aqvT. gadauwyveteli eleqtorati

kidev ufro farTo cnebaa,

anu sazogadoebis am nawils

politikuri procesi saerTod ar

ainteresebs. sxvaTa Soris, am gadauwyvetlebis

ricxvi TandaTan

izrdeba, radgan politikur procesebSi

monawileobis azrs ver

xedaven.

_ maSasadame, xalxs politiko-

sebisa da, saerTod, politikis

mimarT nihilizmi aqvs?

_ nihilizmi mxolod politikosebis

ki ara, arCevnebis mimarT

arsebobs.

_ amas riT xsniT?

_ xalxs sakuTari arCevani imdenjer

daaxies Tavze, rom ukve

gavrcelebulia mosazreba, ai, xmas

ki mogcem, magram amiT ra Seicvlebao?!

_ ise, gulwrfelebi rom viyoT,

31 oqtombris Semdeg, Sesa-

Zloa, marTlac, araferi Seicva-

los. yovel SemTxvevaSi, „rusT-

avi 2-isa” da „imedis” mier bolo

dReebSi gasajaroebuli kvlevebiT,

„ocneba” mxolod maJori-

tarul olqebSi ki ar liderobs,

aramed proporciuli arCevnebsac,

TiTqmis, 60-procentiani up-

iratesobiT igebs...

_ simarTle giTxraT, „rusTavi

2-is” kvlevebze detaluri informacia

ar maqvs, samagierod, informacia

„gorbis” kvlevaze maqvs da

SemiZlia Tamamad vTqva, rom

araseriozulia.

_ ratom?

_ iciT, gamokiTxvas rogor

atarebs?

_ rogor?

_ anketaSi mxolod sasurveli

partiebi SehyavT. ai, magaliTad,

„patriotTa aliansi” rom ambobs,

Cveni reitingi 80 procentiao, es

simarTlea, magram iciT, ratom?

_ adamianebs ekiTxebian, arCevnebze

„nacionalur moZraoabs” miscemT

xmas, „evropul saqarTvelos”

Tu „patriotTa aliansso”?

roca kiTxvas ase dasvam, cxadia,

bevri ityvis, rom „patriotTa

alianss” miscems xmas. mokled,

imis Tqma minda, rom „gorbic”,

daaxloebiT, ase atarebs kvlevas.

xelSi „gorbis” kvlevis anketa

Cagvivarda, romelSic „Tavisufali

saqarTvelo” Setanili araa,

samagierod, Zalian komikuria,

roca „gorbis” anketaSi iseTi

gauqmebuli partiebia Setanili,

rogoric, magaliTad, „saqarTvelos

gza” da „Senebis moZraobaa”.

erTi sityviT, es sociologiuri

manipulaciaa, romelic Tavidanve

sasurvel Sedegzea gaTvlili.

_ SeiZleba, magram faqtia: es

kvlevebi amomrCevlis ganwyobaze

garkveul gavlenas axdens.

_ diax, asea, amitom qarTveli

sociologebis nawilsa da politikur

partiebTan konsultaciebs

vmarTavT, rom es yalbi sociologia

rogorme davamarcxoT. saerTod,

gayalbebuli arCevnebis

erT-erTi mTavari komponenti

swored gayalbebuli sociologiaa!

_ gayalbebuli sociologia

iqiT iyos da, piradad me, ar vici,

„Tavisufali saqarTvelos” pro-

porciul siaSi vin arian. arada,

mas Semdeg, rac „ocnebam” da „na-

cionalurma moZraobam” saarCe-

vno siebi gaasajarova, qveyanaSi

mTavari „niusi” swored es Temaa,

anu bevri miiCnevs, rom e. w. mTa-

varma opoziciurma Zalam arCev-

nebi gayida. Tqvenc ase xom ar

fiqrobT, batono kaxa?

_ mtkicebiT formaSi amis Tqma

gamiWirdeba, Tumca es mosazreba,

jer kidev, 2018 wlis saprezidento

arCevnebis dros gamovTqvi da

roca es azri „nacmoZraobaSi” Cems

nacnobebs gavuziare, ar uaryves,

anu saprezidento arCevnebis pirveli

turis dros „nacionalebs”

Zalian aqtiuri saarCevno kampania

hqondaT, magram meore turis win

es kampania Sewyda. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

pirvelsa da meore turebs

Soris Sualedi TiTqmis erTi Tve

iyo, magram am xnis ganmavlobaSi

„nacionalur moZraobas” erTi didi

Sexvedrac ar Cautarebia.

ar vici, amis mizezi ra iyo,

magram, ki batono, Semeqmna STabe-

Wdileba, rom maSin „nacionalur-

kaxa kukava:

òcnebas~

vurCev: Zmebo

da megobrebo,

TqvenTvisac

kargi iqneba,

rom 40

procentSi

CaetioT!~

ma moZraobam” arCevnebis Sedegebi

biZina ivaniSvils mihyida! amitom

ar gamovricxav, rom welsac igive

ganmeordes.

_ arCevnebis gayidvis mizani ra

unda iyos?

_ saerTod, am Temaze bevri

laparakobs. SeiZleba, sityva „gayidvas”

ar axseneben, magram gia

xuxaSvili da xaTuna lagaziZec,

romlebic xelisuflebis mimarT

opoziciurad arian ganwyobilni,

amboben, rom dRevandeli situacia

Zalian hgavs „kavkasiuri carcis

wris” im scenas, roca namdvil

dedas Svilis gagleja unda.

mokled, „nacionaluri moZraoba”

xvdeba, rom xelisuflebaSi dabrunebis

Sansi ar aqvs, rac kvlevebiTac

dasturdeba da sxva opoziciuri

partiebis gancxadebebi-

Tac. amitomac, rogorc Cans, gadawyvita,

Tu erTpartiuli mTavroba

ar eqneba, ise moiqces, rogorc

avi ZaRli iqceva.

_ da avi ZaRli rogor iqceva?

_ arc TviTon Wams da arc sxvas

aWmevs.

erTi sityviT, „nacionalur

moZraobas” meore adgilis aReba

unda da morCa, es misi koncefciaa!

ar SeiZleba, siis pirvel

nomrad buba kikabiZe rom gyavs,

vinmem xelisuflebis alternativad

gangixilos! „nacionaluri

moZraoba” meore adgils ki uproblemod

miiRebs da ratomac

ara, barem fulic gaakeTos!

_ batono kaxa, Tu arCevnebi

gayidulia, maSin patara partiebs

Sansi aRar gaqvT, rom parlamentSi

SexvideT, anu sakonstitu-

cio umravlesobas „ocneba” aiRebs,

„nacmoZraoba” ki meore adg-

ilze gava da es „saarCevno kin-

oc” damTavrdeba. vcdebi?

àrc skeptikurad var ganwyobili da arc _

optimisturad, anu arc im mosazrebas

viziareb, rom òcneba~ xelisuflebaSi darCeba

da arc imas, rom xelisuflebis Secvla

gardauvalia. me `Tavisufali saqarTvelos~

Sedegze var orientirebuli da parlamentSi

mcire gundiTac rom SevideT, politikur

ZalTa Tanafardobas SevcvliT. simarTle rom

giTxraT, Cveni partiis deklarirebuli

amocana araa, ginda Tu ara, wels reJimi unda

SevcvaloTo. Cveni amocana arsebuli maxinji

politikuri balansis darRvevaa!~

_ diax.

_ ratom?

_ barieris daweva da „nacmoZraobis”

gapasiureba karg SesaZleblobas

qmnis, rom am arCevnebis

Semdeg qveyanaSi axali politikuri

procesi daiwyos. „nacionaluri

moZraoba” erTgvarad maoxrebeli

mkvdariviTaa _ imdeni

reitingi ki aqvs, rom sxva opoziciuri

partiebi meore turamde ar

miuSvas, magram meore turis mosagebad

reitingi aRar hyofnis. amitomac

Tu „nacionaluri moZraoba”

am arCevnebze gakotrdeba da

lustrirdeba, am SemTxvevaSi, 2021

wlis sagazafxulo arCevnebisTvis,

am qveyanaSi axali koaliciis

Seqmna, Cemi azriT, SesaZlebeli

iqneba.

_ vidre 2021 wlis arCevnebeb-

is Temas gavSliT, batono kaxa,

kiTxvaze mipasuxeT, anu Tu wle-

vandeli arCevnebi gayidulia,

patara partiebs mainc gaqvT Sansi,

rom erTprocentiani bune-

brivi barieri gadalaxoT?

_ diax. arCevnebis gayidva imas

niSnavs, rom „nacionaluri moZraoba”

gamarjvebisTvis ar ibrZvis.

_ es mesmis, magram ratom gam-

oricxavT, rom 31 oqtombers

„ocnebam” sakonstitucio umrav-

lesoba aiRos, danarCeni mandati

ki „nacmoZraobas” ergos da mTe-

li es bakqanalia amiT damT-

avrdes?

_ Teoriulad amis gamoricxva,

ra Tqma unda, ar SeiZleba, Tumca

Tu ase moxda, maSin ukve arCevnebis

delegitimaciis riskebi CairTveba

da vfiqrob, sxva problemamde

mivalT. Tu xelisufleba gagiJda

da es gaakeTa, upirveles yovlisa,

sakuTar Tavs daazianebs.

_ asea Tu ise, faqtia, rom

movlenebis am scenariT ganvi-

Tarebis riski arsebobs.

_ diax, arsebobs, Tumca am scenars,

weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos,

is riskic axlavs, rom aseTi arCevnebi

arc xalxma cnos da arc _

dasavleTma!

_ ise, gamoricxavT, rom 31

oqtombramde erTi kviriT adre

epidviTareba ise daiZabos, rom

10

10 N23 (325) 06.10-.12.10.2020 w.


ise arian, rogorc, Tavis droze, `moqkavSiri~ da àRorZineba~

xelisuflebam arCevnebi gada-

dos?

_ hipoTeturad es scenaric

dasaSvebia, Tumca ar vici, xelisuflebas

ra kuluaruli gegmebi

aqvs. Cemi azriT, arCevnebis gadadeba

„ocnebis” interesSi ori

mizezis gamo ar Sedis: jer erTi,

qveyanaSi iseTi ekonomikuri situaciaa,

rom Tu arCevnebi gazafxulisTvis

gadaideba, xelisuflebis

reitingi ki ar gaizrdeba, piriqiT,

kidev ufro daecema. meorec:

SeiZleba, koronavirusi yvelam ar

moixada, magram xalxs am virusis

aRar eSinia. saerTod, regionebSi

davdivar da koronisa Tu vaqcinis

mimarT Zalian didi skepticizmia,

anu adamianebi kiTxuloben, _

ra, vaqcina marTla unda gagvikeTono?

mokled, arCevnebis koronis

sababiT gadadeba, Cemi azriT, Zalian

did ukmayofilebas gamoiwvevs.

sazogadoebaSi saamisod arc mzaoba

arsebobs da arc _ moTxovna!

_ batono kaxa, weRan 2021 wlis

sagazafxulo arCevnebi axseneT,

anu varaudobT, rom meaTe mowvevis

parlamenti udReuri aRmoCndeba

da momavali wlis gazafx-

ulze vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebi dainiSneba?

_ es Zalian spekulaciuri

prognozia.

_ ratom?

_ dadasturebulia, rom politikaSi

zust prognozebs veravin

akeTebs.

Zalian xSirad momyavs es magaliTi:

„nacmoZraoba” da „qocmoZraoba”

dRes erTmaneTTan zustad

ise arian, rogorc, Tavis droze,

„moqkavSiri” da „aRorZineba” iyvnen,

anu xelisufleba bolomde gakotrebulia,

magram mTavari opoziciuri

Zala kidev ufro metadaa

gakotrebuli. amitom is xalxi,

romelsac am xelisuflebis damxoba

SeuZlia, „nacmoZraobas” alternativad

ar ganixilavs. sxvaTa

Soris, zustad aseTi amomrCeveli

SevardnaZis dros me viyavi, anu me

da Cemi ojaxis wevrebi SevardnaZes

ver vitandiT, is Cveni mosisxle

mteri iyo, magram, amis miuxedavad,

„aRorZinebisken” ar gagvixedavs

da ar CagviTvlia, rom is

realuri opozicia iyo. maSin yvela

vxvdebodiT, rom „aRorZineba”

politikuri sistemis dekoracia

iyo da meti araferi. swored amitomac

SevardnaZe Tavs usafrTxod

grZnobda. amasobaSi „nacmoZraoba”

gamoCnda da yvelaferi

esec dasrulda. dResac analogiuri

viTarebaa _ qveynis mosaxleobis

absoluturi umravlesoba

„ocnebis” ukmayofiloa, magram

„nacionalur moZraobasa” da, maT

Soris, „evropul saqarTvelos”

alternativad ar ganixilavs.

_ aba, xalxi „ocnebis” alter-

nativad vis miiCnevs?

_ jerjerobiT aravis. ise, e. w.

SuaSisturi speqtri, rogorc

speqtri, ar arsebobs.

_ es rogor?

_ saerTo jamSi, aTze met

partiazea saubari, rasac sxvadasxva

pirovneba da jgufic unda davamatoT.

e. i., miviRebT ramdenime

aTeul subieqtes. ramdenime aTeuli

subieqtisgan ki koaliciis

Seqmna, dameTanxmeT, rTulia.

_ ki batono, geTanxmebiT, ma-

`mokled, `nacionaluri moZraoba~ xvdeba, rom xelisuflebaSi dabrunebis

Sansi ar aqvs, rac kvlevebiTac dasturdeba da sxva opoziciuri partiebis

gancxadebebiTac. amitomac, rogorc Cans, gadawyvita, Tu erTpartiuli

mTavroba ar eqneba, ise moiqces, rogorc avi ZaRli iqceva~

gram ver vxvdebi, saubari saiT-

ken migyavT, batono kaxa?

_ Cemi azriT, 31 oqtombris

arCevnebma SesaZloa, pozitiuri

filtris roli iTamaSos.

_ anu?

_ SuaSisturi ajafsandalidan

is sami, oTxi an xuTi partia gamoikveTeba,

romelic bariers gadalaxavs

da, realurad, SuaSisturi

eleqtoratis mandatic eqneba.

imaze ki, es oTxi-xuTi partia

koalicias Seqmnis Tu ara, axla

verafers getyviT, magram Tu koaliciis

Seqmna moxerxdeba, maSin

naxevari milioni amomrCevlis mxardaWerasac

moipovebs.

_ vnaxoT, procesebi rogor

ganviTardeba, Tumca manamde

miTxariT, ratom gadawyviteT,

rom vakis maJoritarul „omSi”

CarTuliyaviT?

_ ratom ar unda CavrTuliyavi?

_ minimum, imitom, rom, rog-

orc TqviT, finansebi ar gaqvT.

_ mesmis, magram arCevnebSi suliT,

guliT, ori fexiTa da xeliT

vmonawileobT!

_ suli da guli gasagebia, magram

vakeSi „qocebisa” da „evrosaqebis”

warmomadgenlebs upir-

ispirdebiT.

_ diax, magram, jer erTi, „qocebi”

yvelgan arian. meorec, konkurentebi

proporciulSi gvyavs.

_ e. i., Sansi gaqvT, rom vakis

maJoritari gaxdeT?

_ ver vityvi, rom vakis maJoritaroba

jibeSi midevs, magram Tu

meore turSi gavedi, Rrmad var

darwmunebuli, rom movigeb!

_ mniSvneloba ar aqvs, meore

turSi Tqveni konkurenti vin

iqneba?

_ ara, ar aqvs. rogorc giTxariT,

SuaSisturi xmebi Zalian

fragmentirebulia.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ anu im amomrCevelze, rome-

`xelisuflebaSi mesame vadiT darCena didi

problemaa, Tan marTvis amerikuli modeli

rusulisgan Zalian gansxvavdeba, anu

dasavleTs SesaZloa, xisti damokidebuleba

ar hqodnes, magram mesame vada wiTeli xazia,

ris Semdegac òcnebas~ imis Sansi gauqreba,

rom dasavleTis politikur sivrceSi darCes

da SesaZloa, isec moxdes, rom lukaSenkos

poziciaSi gadavides~

lzedac me vmuSaob, Cem garda,

daaxloebiT, sami-oTxi kandidatic

muSaobs. amitom am eleqtoratis

konsolidacia Zalian rTulia

da meore turSi rom gavide, minimum,

15-20 procenti minda...

_ sxvaTa Soris, bevri fiqrobs,

rom „ocnebas” xelisuflebaSi

darCena mesame vadiTac aqvs gadawyvetili.

Tu ase moxda, es mTe-

li demokratiuli samyarosTvis

precedenti iqneba. hoda, Tu „ocneba”

xelisuflebaSi mesame vadi-

Tac darCeba, ra moxdeba?

_ zustad is moxdeba, rac SevardnaZes

daemarTa _ yvelas gvaxsovs,

rom bolo wlebSi misi mmar-

Tvelobis deligitimacia daiwyo.

_ diax, magram roca es procesebi

daiwyo, SevardnaZe xelisuflebaSi

meore vadas as-

rulebda.

_ maSin cota gaurkveveli vi-

Tareba iyo.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ sanam prezidenti gaxdeboda

da „moqkavSiri” xelisuflebaSi

movidoda, SevardnaZe saxelmwifo

sabWos meTauri iyo da qveyanas

sami weli marTavda.

_ geTanxmebiT, magram 1995

wlamde SevardnaZe prezidentad

ar iwodeboda...

_ diax, magram Tu gaxsovT, saxelis

gamocvla da putinis modelis

gaTamaSeba saakaSvilmac scada,

magram Tqven, ra, fiqrobT,

rom dasavleTi sulelia an, minimum,

is ar SeuZlia, rom „vikipediaSi”

Caixedos da gaigos, adamiani

sanam prezidenti gaxdeboda, ra

Tanamdebobas ikavebda?

mokled, xelisuflebaSi mesame

vadiT darCena didi problemaa,

Tan marTvis amerikuli modeli

rusulisgan Zalian gansxvavdeba,

anu dasavleTs SesaZloa, xisti

damokidebuleba ar hqodnes, magram

mesame vada wiTeli xazia, ris

Semdegac „ocnebas” imis Sansi

gauqreba, rom dasavleTis politikur

sivrceSi darCes da Sesa-

Zloa, isec moxdes, rom lukaSenkos

poziciaSi gadavides.

_ „lukaSenkos poziciaSi gada-

svla” ras niSnavs?

_ dasavleTTan Ria konfrontaciaSi

mouwevs Sesvla. „ocnebis”

kuluarebTan garkveuli kontaqti

Tqvenc gaqvT da _ mec. Sesabamisad,

orivem kargad viciT, rom

saqarTvelos dRevandel mmarTvel

reJimsa da dasavleTs Soris

garkveuli daZabuloba isec arsebobs,

magram es daZabuloba, jerjerobiT,

kuluarulia da orive

mxare Riad sxva gancxadebebs

akeTebs. anu dasavleTi ambobs,

saqarTvelos xelisuflebis Zalisxmevas

mivesalmebio. „ocnebac”

acxadebs, Cemi dasavluri kursi

uryeviao, magram im SemTxvevaSi,

Tu „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi mesame

vadiTac darCeba, am kuluarebs

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xelisuflebac Tavisi kursis

koreqtirebas Riad moaxdens.

_ erTi sityviT, „ocnebis”

saqme im qarTuli andazasaviTaa,

win wava, wyali daxvdeba, ukan wava

da, mewyerio, ara?

_ sxvaTa Soris, saqme mTlad

asec araa.

_ aba, rogoraa?

_ sakuTar Tavs problemas Tavad

uqmnis, Torem me Tu mkiTxavT,

„ocnebas” idealuri Sansi aqvs.

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_ xmebis 30-dan 40-procentamde

aiRos, ra reitingic aqvs da

saamisod arc gayalbeba dasWirdeba

da arc _ kartofilisa Tu

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im finansuri usafrTxoebis

SenarCuneba, ra amocanac „ocnebis”

liders aqvs, Tavisuflad

SesaZlebelia.

_ rogor?

_ xelisuflebaSi axali koalicia

mova, anu erTpartiuli mmar-

Tvelobas verc erTi partia Seqmnis

da, Sesabamisad, „ocnebis” liders

dasavleTis sanqciebi ar daemuqreba.

ise, erTpartiuli mmarTveloba

saqarTveloSi axla Tu

ara, erTi-ori, maqsimum, sami wlis

Semdeg mainc damTavrdeba, oRond

Tu im formiT damTavrdeba, rogoric

saqarTvelos uaxlesi istoriidan

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gamoyaviT: „ocnebas” vurCev, Zmebo

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kargi iqneba da am qveynisTvisac,

rom 40 procentSi CaetioT!

_ asea Tu ise, batono kaxa, Cve-

ni naxevarsaaTiani saubriT mainc

ver mivxvdi, optimisturad xarT

ganwyobili Tu pesimisturad?

_ rogorc amboben, skeptikosi

kargad informirebuli optimistia.

_ e. i., skeptikosi xarT?

_ arc skeptikurad var ganwyobili

da arc _ optimisturad,

anu arc im mosazrebas viziareb,

rom „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi dar-

Ceba da arc imas, rom xelisuflebis

Secvla gardauvalia. me „Tavisufali

saqarTvelos” Sedegze

var orientirebuli da parlamentSi

mcire gundiTac rom SevideT,

politikur ZalTa Tanafardobas

SevcvliT. simarTle rom giTxraT,

Cveni partiis deklarirebuli

amocana araa, ginda Tu ara, wels

reJimi unda SevcvaloTo. Cveni

amocana arsebuli maxinji politikuri

balansis darRvevaa!

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ra politikur gaTvlas emsax-

ureba?

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rom biZina ivaniSvili CixSia.

adre raRac dapirebebs mainc gascemda

winasaarCevnod, axla ki

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Tavs. amdeni saubari ZiriTad

mowinaaRmdegeze aCvenebs mis,

rogorc politikuri moTamaSis,

sisustes da kidev erTxel adasturebs,

rom is Tavad aris darwmunebuli

sakuTar marcxSi. rac

Seexeba „qarTuli ocnebis” 8-

wlian mmarTvelobas, vxedavT,

rom erovnuli valuta, faqtobrivad,

CamoSlilia, _ es aris

uzustesi Sefaseba imisa, Tu ra

gaakeTa „qarTulma ocnebam” Cvens

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amis paralelurad, mmarTvelma

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Zilze xalxi gaaRataka, TviTon

ki gamdidrda. maTi mmarTvelobis

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arc gakeTebul saqmeebsa da arc

samomavlo gegmebze, yvelaze advilia

mowinaaRmdegeze Tavdasxma.

sasaciloa _ 8 wlis Tavze bi-

Zina ivaniSvili saakaSvils ebrZvis.

rogorc TviTon ivaniSvili

ambobda, 2012 wels daamarcxa

saakaSvili, Tumca 8 weli gavida

da isev mixeil saakaSvilsa da

„nacionalur moZraobaze” laparakobs,

rac TavisTavad aCvenebs,

ramdenad arajansaR viTarebasTan

gvaqvs saqme da ratom aris

am adamianis politikuri reJimi

ramdenime kviraSi aucileblad

Tavidan mosaSorebeli.

_ opoziciam bolomde ver

SeZlo erTianobis SenarCuneba

saerTo maJoritar kandi-

datebTan dakavSirebiT, aseve

mTeli winasaarCevno periodi

„nacionaluri moZraobisa” da

„evropuli saqarTvelos” poli-

tikur kinklaobs vuyurebT. am

pirobebSi rogor apirebT reJi-

mis Tavidan moSorebas?

_ gamokiTxvebis SedegebiT

opozicia arCevnebSi damajereblad

imarjvebs. mTavari aris ara

is, ras gavakeTebT arCevnebamde,

aramed mTavaria, ras gavakeTebT

arCevnebis Semdeg. yvela opoziciuri

partia SeTanxmebulia, rom

arCevnebis Semdeg biZina ivaniSvi-

`warmomadgenlobiTi sia SeimuSava ara mxolod

`nacionalurma moZraobam~, aramed - Cvenma

saarCevno blokma. rac Seexeba siis pirvel

nomers, simbolurad, buba kikabiZis siis

saTaveSi pirvel nomrad dasaxeleba

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sazogadoebaSi Zalian cotani arian moraluri

avtoritetebi. buba kikabiZe ki namdvilad aris

moraluri avtoriteti, es gaxlavT adamiani,

romelmac Zalian principuli poziciebi

daikava 2008 wlis Semdeg ruseTTan mimarTebiT

da simbolurad umniSvnelovanesia aseTi

moqalaqis siis saTaveSi yofna~

`biZina

ivaniSvili

darwmunebulia

sakuTar

marcxSi~

lis winaaRmdeg unda Seikras er-

Tiani koalicia. ra Tqma unda, am

koaliciis parametrebs arCevnebi

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opoziciis erTsulovneba bevrad

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saWiroa, Tavs daesxas sxva opoziciur

partias. Cveni taqtika es

ar aris. Cven im erTian maJoritar

kandidatebs, romlebsac mxari

davuWireT, movuwodebT, ise

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rom „nacionaluri moZraobis”

mxardamWerebs motivacia

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Cveni mxriv, maT Soris, partiul

siaSi warmovadgineT swored

koaliciuri TanamSromlobis

xedva, rac ar iyo martivi. Tqven

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garkveuli nawili

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SemadgenlobiT daekompleqtebina

saarCevno sia, magram

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_ gamokiTxulTa didma nawil-

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Tu mmarTveli gundi sxvadasxva

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am nawilis xmebis miRebas, maSin

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Cunebs xelisuflebas. ganix-

ilavT Tu ara am variants?

_ ar vfiqrob, rom neitraluri

eleqtorati mmarTveli gundis

potenciuri amomrCevelia.

sinamdvileSi, Zalian martivia

gadawyvetilebis miReba: Tu gin-

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es aris Cemi mowodeba!~

da, uWer mmarTvel gunds mxars

da aseTi adamianebi arian mxolod

isini, romlebic pirdapir

ukavSirdebian „qarTuli ocnebis”

politikaSi yofnas. sxva Sem-

TxvevaSi warmoudgenelia, adamiani,

romelic am qveyanaSi cxovrobs,

„qarTul ocnebas” uWerdes

mxars. rac Seexeba gadauwyvetel

amomrCevels, igi gadanawildeba

opoziciur partiebze. es amomrCeveli

SeiZleba ar aris Camoyalibebuli,

romel partias dau-

Wers mxars, magram, saboloo jam-

Si, isini opoziciuri ganwyobis

amomrCevlebi arian. Cveni mxridan

yvelafers gavakeTebT, rom swored

am gadauwyveteli amomrCevlis

didma nawilma mxari dau-

Wiros Cvens partias. igives cdiloben

sxva partiebic.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom „nacio-

naluri moZraoba” ar esxmis Tavs

sxva partiebs, Tumca „evropuli

saqarTvelo” cdilobs, saarCevno

kampania Tqvens gundze TavdasxmebiT

awarmoos. maT daari-

ges bukletebi, sadac weria, Tu

ra gansxvavebaa „nacionalur mo-

Zraobasa” da „evropul saqarT-

velos” Soris. gasul kviras ki

„evropuli saqarTvelos” klipi

CaeSva, sadac ivaniSvilsa da

saakaSvils Soris tolobis niSania

dasmuli: „maT mxolod saku-

Tari Tavi adardebT”, _ aseTi

teqsti aqvs klips. ras cdilobs

„evropuli saqarTvelo” da rog-

or upasuxebT maT am klipze?

_ Tqven iciT, rom moratoriumi

gamovacxadeT. ra Tqma unda,

SegviZlia sxvanairad vupasuxoT

im opoziciur partiebs, romlebic

Tavs esxmian Cvens partiasa

da liderebs, magram am SemTxveva-

Si mxolod imas vityvi, rom es

aris maTi arCevani. Cven erTaderTi

samizne gvyavs da es aris

biZina ivaniSvili, Cveni amocana

misi damarcxebaa. Cveni kari Riaa

yvelasTan saTanamSromlod, vinc

am amocanas iziarebs. amomrCevelma

gadawyvitos, vin aris biZina

ivaniSvilis mTavari oponenti.

Sesabamisad, naTlad Cans, rom „nacionaluri

moZraobaa” erTader-

Ti politikuri moTamaSe, romelic

realurad warmoadgens safrTxes

ivaniSvilisTvis da, amave

dros, Zalian principulia saku-

Tar midgomaSi. aqedan gamomdinare,

darwmunebuli var, amomrCeveli,

visac marTla surs biZina

ivaniSvilis damarcxeba, amas

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gadauwyveteli amomrCevlis udidesi

nawilic Cvens politikur

Zalas dauWers mxars, radgan adamianebs

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marTla Seicvleba es politikuri

reJimi da dRes am imedsa da

rwmenas maT aZlevs Cveni politikuri

Zala.

_ 2018 wlis saprezidento

arCevnebze opozicia acxadebda,

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Tu aris amis saSiSroeba da ra

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Tavidan asacileblad?

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arCevnebis dRes saarCevno yuTTan da gamovxatoT Cveni Sexeduleba!~

_ ar vfiqrob, rom es arCevnebi

saprezidento arCevnebs unda

SevadaroT, radgan dRes gansxvavebuli

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ori wlis manZilze qveyana sagrZnoblad

ukan wavida, Sesabamisad,

cvlilebebis survili kidev

ufro ganmtkicda xalxSi. 2020

wlis saparlamento arCevnebs

aucileblad mohyveba xelisuflebis

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saprezidento arCevnebi ki

Tavisi funqciiT ar gulisxmobda

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amomrCevlis bevrad ufro

maRali motivacia da koncentrireba

iqneba. minda, movuwodo

yvelas, rom aucileblad movidnen

arCevnebze! es aris dRes mTavari

amocana, _ yvela, visac qveyanaSi

cvlileba surs, unda mixvdes,

rom amisTvis aucilebelia

arCevnebze misvla. me mxolod

SemiZlia movuwodo maT: ra Tqma

unda, xma miscen „erTian nacionalur

moZraobas”, romelsac

realurad aqvs biZina ivaniSvilis

damarcxebis Sansi. Tumca mTavaria,

yvela movides arCevnebze, visac

biZina ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg

surs xmis micema. dRes es umniSvnelovanesi

amocanaa. xelisufleba

gamoiyenebs tradiciul

meqanizmebs, magram Tu Cven es

amocana ganvaxorcieleT, xelisuflebis

xerxebis margi qmedebis

koeficienti Zalian dabali

iqneba maRali aqtivobis SemTxvevaSi.

amitom yvelani arCevnebze!

_ es aris Cemi mowodeba Cveni

xalxis, Tanamemamuleebis mimarT.

_ winasaarCevnod „qarTuli

ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi kvlav

„nacionaluri moZraobis” mmarTvelobis

9 welze saubroben. ram-

denad muSaobs es strategia „qar-

Tuli ocnebis” sasargeblod da

mixeil saakaSvilis aqtiuroba am

kuTxiT xom ar asxams wyals mmar-

Tveli gundis wisqvilze?

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`sasaciloa - 8 wlis Tavze biZina ivaniSvili

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ivaniSvili ambobda, 2012 wels daamarcxa

saakaSvili, Tumca 8 weli gavida da isev

mixeil saakaSvilsa da `nacionalur

moZraobaze~ laparakobs, rac TavisTavad

aCvenebs, ramdenad arajansaR viTarebasTan

gvaqvs saqme da ratom aris am adamianis

politikuri reJimi ramdenime kviraSi

aucileblad Tavidan mosaSorebeli~

mravalferovani arCevani aqvs da

Tu maincdamainc vinmes ar surs

„nacionaluri moZraobis” mxardaWera,

sxva partiebi arseboben.

Tumca rodesac amden dros

uTmobs „qarTuli ocneba” „nacionalur

moZraobaze” Tavdasxmas,

Cemi azriT, es mxolod ganamtkicebs

adamianebis rwmenas,

rom swored „nacionaluri moZraobaa”

xelisuflebis alternativa

da piriqiT, ufro gazrdis

Cveni mxardamWerebis ricxvs. magram

Tu viRac sabolood mainc

arc „qarTul ocnebas” dauWers

mxars da arc _ „nacionalur moZraobas”,

aseT SemTxvevaSi, maT

sxva mravali arCevani aqvT.. amitom

am arCevnebze, nebismier Sem-

TxvevaSi „qarTuli ocneba” marcxisTvis

ganwirulia.

_ bolo periodSi dasavleTis

mxridan xelisuflebis misamar-

TiT kritika aRar gvesmis. poli-

tikis eqspertebi varaudoben,

rom ivaniSvilma dasavleTTan

urTierToba daalaga. Tqven

rogor uyurebT am process?

_ es sakmaod mcdari mosazrebaa.

dasavleTidan gzavnilebi

gakeTebulia! biZina ivaniSvilma

da misma politikurma Zalam Zalian

kargad icis, ra aris Cveni

dasavleli partniorebis molodini

arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT.

arCevnebis win Cveni partniorebi

mkveTr gancxadebebs, ra Tqma unda,

eridebian, radgan isini saqarTvelos

Sida politikur procesSi

ar erevian, Tumca minda dagarwmunoT,

rom, maT Soris, arasajarod

Zalian mkacri gzavnilebi

aqvs miRebuli xelisuflebas.

maT Zalian kargad ician, ra aris

molodini da ra Sedegebi mohyveba

moqalaqeebis Tavisufali nebis

gamoxatvis xelis SeSlas.

_ NDI-m gadawyvita, ar gamogzavnos

saerTaSoriso sadamkvi-

rveblo misia oqtombris arCevneb

ebisTvis. es faqtori xom ar

miscems xelisuflebas saSuale-

bas, misTvis sasurveli Sedegis-

Tvis ufro Tamamad imoqmedos?

kenWisyris dRes, arCevnebis gay-

albebis Tavidan asacileblad,

ras gegmavs opozicia, konkret-

ulad, „nacionaluri moZraoba”?

_ euTo ganaxorcielebs dak-

virvebas, miuxedavad imisa, rom

pandemiis gamo SeiZleba adgilze

naklebi sadamkvirveblo organizacia

iyos warmodgenili. pirvel

rigSi, unda gvaxsovdes, rom

dakvirvebis ZiriTad tvirTs qar-

Tuli arasamTavrobo organizaciebi

iReben da es resursi maqsimalurad

daixarjeba. ra Tqma

unda, opoziciuri partiebis damkvirveblebic

CaerTvebian procesSi.

sadamkvirveblo saqmianobaSi,

pandemiis miuxedavad, ar

gveqneba problema.

Tqveni gazeTis furclebidan

mivmarTav amomrCevels: yvelaze

didi safrTxe axla is aris, rom

xelisuflebam pandemia adamianebis

dasaSineblad ar gamoiyenos,

rom arCevnebze ar mividnen.

amitom yvela usafrTxoebis wesis

dacviT, niRbiT, xelTaTmanebiT,

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yuTTan da gamovxatoT Cveni

Sexeduleba! Tu dRes rameze

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kraxia „qarTuli ocnebis” politika.

testebis raodenoba Tu

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oqtombers, rom saarCevno yuT-

Tan mkafiod daafiqsiron saku-

Tari Sexeduleba.

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am da sxva mniSvnelovani Temebis

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Tavis droze, xelisuflebam?

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Ta. magaliTad, italias Tavidan

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aRmoCnda igi. britaneTma

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Semdeg mTavrobamac gaimeora,

rom Tu pandemiis sawyiss etapze

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rasTan gvaqvs saqme, ramdenad

saSiSi virusia, ra zomebia saWiroa,

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ar hqondaT, axla ukve amis

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miiRes da axla daiwyes am zomebis

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amdenad, mimaCnia, rom Cveni

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ekonomikis

erTaderTi

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Torem is xom gasastumrebelia.

_ am mocemulobaSi ramdenad

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TvalsazrisiT da ra safrTxee-

bi gvelodeba?

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ar devs. es krizisi ar

Casaxula ekonomikaSi, es gamoi-

`koronavirusma aCvena, rom sazogadoebas

mogviwevs masTan Tanaarseboba. gavrcelebuli

informaciiT, qmediTi vaqcina 2021 wlis

zafxulSi Seiqmneba, Tumca dgeba sakiTxi -

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sazogadoebis ganwyoba arc ise optimisturia.

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kovid-24 an kovid-27. swored amitom Cven

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rCeba. rac Seexeba prognozs,

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wels 4%-ze meti kleba unda

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uamravi yalbi informacia

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TomasStabiani saomari moqmedebebi

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arian gadarTulebi. es

imas ar niSnavs, rom aRniSnul

procesebSi amerika gverdze

dadgeba, magram ismis kiTxva, _

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laris problema ar aris!~

ramdenad da ra kuTxiT CaerTveba?

am yvelafridan gamomdinare,

ver getyviT ekonomikuri vardnisa

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_ ratom?

_ im martivi mizezis gamo, rom

dRes socialur qselSi Zalian

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Teoria”, romlis Tanaxmadac

7 miliardi mosaxleoba dedamiwisTvis

bevria da is unda Semcirdes

1 miliardamde. amas daemata

is, rom am Teoriis avtorebma

gamoiyenes bil geiTsis zogierTi

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mcdeloba iyo avstraliaSi, Tumca

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Ti ki seriozul muSaobasa da

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mimarT. es ar aris martivi. samwuxarod,

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Soris kontaqtia, amitomac Seiz-

Ruda is, _ sadac SesaZlebeli

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onlain swavleba da a. S.

sxva sakiTxia, es ramdenad xarisxiania,

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ramdenime qveyanasTan sazRvari

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maTTvis sakmarisia is dokumenti,

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turistebi ar mogvawyda,

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dakarga Semosvali da

SesaZloa, wamosasvlelad finan-

ìm krizisis mizezebi, romelic globaluradaa ekonomikaSi, Tavad

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pandemiam. sanam es pandemia ar dasruldeba da medicina ar daamarcxebs

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romc wamovides, mainc

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Sewyvetilia da mxolod ramdenime

aviakompania muSaobs, bileTis

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_ Cveni qveynis mTavrobam

Tavisi gadawyvetilebiT go-

niereba gamoiCina?

_ SemiZlia mkafiod giTxraT:

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gansakuTrebiT kritikuli viyo

Cveni mTavrobis mimarT. maT yovel

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mimarTebiT, magram principulad

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mTavroba absoluturad sworad

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miT ufro, winasaarCevno periodSi.

_ eqspertebis garkveuli naw-

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Semoubrundeba „qarTul oc-

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mTavari problema

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Zalian bevri portirebuli „nacia”,

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absoluturad

miuRebelia nebismieri provokaciuli

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Tari valuta ar gaaCnia da sadme

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ekonomikaa avad. SeiZleba, adamiani

ise ar xurdes, rogorc Termometri

giCvenebs, radgan Sesa-

Zloa, Termometri iyos gafuWebuli,

es ki ra, vercxliswylis

brali iqneba?! rodesac erovnuli

banki Secdomebs uSvebs, es

laris bralia?! erovnulma bankma

ganacxada, laris kursi Cemi

sazrunavi ar ariso, rom me mxolod

inflaciaze var orientirebulio.

arc esaa laris brali.

laris mimoqcevaSi gamSvebi

erovnuli bankia, xolo mTavroba,

rasac gadasaxadebs, sagareo

vals aiRebs da rasac grantebs

miscemen, imas xarjavs, magram

mTavari erovnuli bankia. igive

opozicias awyobs isrebis gadatana

mTavrobaze, radganac mTavroba

politikuri organoa,

xolo erovnuli banki ki mxolod

profesiuli organo unda iyos.

rogorc cnobilia, wlebia,

rac saqarTvelom inflaciis

TargeTirebaze aiRo kursi, rac

imas niSnavs, rom erovnuli bankis

monetaruli politikis erTaderTi

miznobrivi maCvenebeli

inflaciaa. es ki Secdomaa. nobelis

premiis laureatma ekonomikaSi,

jozef stiglicma aT welze

metia, rac martivad daasuraTa,

rom importdamokidebul qveyanaSi

inflaciis TargeTirebis

reJimi ar muSaobs, radgan Tu importdamokidebuli

qveyana xar,

damokidebuli xar imaze, Tu rogor

icvleba fasebi saerTaSoriso

doneze da rogoria gacvli-

Ti kursi, amitom martivad inflacias

ver moTokav.

gagrZeleba 36-e gv.

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òcneba~ Tu arCevnebis gayalbebas gadawyvets,

mas Semdeg, rac „ocnebam” saa-

giorgi abaSiZe

rCevno programis prezentacia

gamarTa, „erTiani saqarTvelos”

liderma, nino burjanaZem, mmarTvel gunds, ufro konkretu-

lad, biZina ivaniSvils, mimarTa da uTxra, rom im dros, roca

xalxs Sia, „ocnebis” erTjeradi daxmarebebi mas ver gaabed-

nierebs: „yuradRebiT vusmine biZina ivaniSvilis gamosvlas da

namdvilad damrCa STabeWdileba, rom me sxva qveyanaSi vcx-

ovrob... batono biZina, uxerxuli ar aris, rom adamians,

romelsac 7 miliardi aqvs, 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi „qarTulma

ocnebam” pensionerebs 6 dolariT moumata pensia?!.” _ naTq-

vamia parlamentis yofili Tavmjdomaris gancxadebaSi.

saerTod, ivaniSvili sxva

saqarTveloSi rom cxovrobs,

amis Sesaxeb aqamdec Tqmula,

magram rogoria realuri

saqarTvelo, anu ratom unda

xalxs „ocnebis” xelisuflebis

Secvla? _ am da sxva aqtu-

alur Temebze „qronika+~ nino

burjanaZis Tanapartiel beso

danelias esaubra, romelic

darwmunebulia, rom axal, e. i.,

meaTe mowvevis parlamentSi,

„erTiani saqarTvelo”, minimum,

erTi fraqciiT, anu Svidi dep-

utatiT iqneba warmodgenili:

_ beso, TqvenTan saubarsac

tradiciuli kiTxviT daviw-

yeb, _ arCevnebamde erTi TviT

adre rogori ganwyoba gaqvT

da, saerTod, „erTiani saqarT-

velos” proporciul siaSi

xarT?

_ diax, siaSi var da ganwyobac

sabrZolo maqvs! Tbilissa

da saqarTvelos regionebSi mosaxleobas

yoveldRe vxvdebiT.

partiuli sistema Zalian kargad

gvaqvs awyobili da ofisi

saqarTvelos yvela raionSi

gavxseniT. aqedan gamomdinare,

saarCevno procesSi Zalian aqtiurad

varT CarTulebi, Tumca

xelisufleba administraciuli

resursisa Tu sus-is gamoyenebiT

xalxis daSinebas maqsimalurad

cdilobs. im raioneb-

Si ki, sadac xvdeba, rom arCevnebi

wagebuli aqvs, koroniT

manipulirebs, magram yvelafer

amis miuxedavad, darwmunebulebi

varT, 31 oqtombers qveyana-

Si aucilebad mova iseTi xelisufleba,

romelic erTpirovnul

mmarTvelobaze aRar iqneba

dafuZnebuli. Sesabamisad,

30-wliani erTpartiuli mmarTveloba

erTxel da samudamod

evropuli koaliciuri xelisuflebiT

Seicvleba!

_ RmerTma qnas, ase moxdes,

Tumca kvlevebiT „ocnebas”

opoziciaze ukeTesi sastarto

pirobebi aqvs. hoda, amis gaT-

valiswinebiT, albaT, ukeTesi

iqneboda, rom opozicias pos-

tsaarCevno koaliciaze ki ar

efiqra, aramed axlave gaerTianebuliyo

da ivaniSvilis gundisTvis,

rogorc ityvian, erT-

iani frontiT Seetia. mokled,

Tqveni SefasebiT, opoziciam

gaerTianeba, anu Tundac erTiani

proporciuli siis Sedge-

na, ratom ver moaxerxa?

_ sxvebis nacvlad ver visaubreb,

magram getyviT, rom „axali

saqarTvelo” erT-erTi pirveli

partia iyo, romelmac

proporciuli arCevnebi, jer

kidev, ramdenime wlis winaT moiTxova

da didi xania, vmuSaobT,

rom qveyanaSi saarCevno sistema

Seicvalos. sxvaTa Soris,

2012 wels „ocnebis” koalicia

amomrCevels swored amas hpirdeboda,

rogorc ki xelisuflebaSi

moval, saarCevno sistemas

Sevcvli da maJoritarul ar-

Cevnebs gavauqmebo, magram mas

Semdeg, rac xelisuflebaSi

movida, Tqva, am cvlilebas 2016

wels ganvaxorcielebo, Tumca

es dapireba 2016 welsac gadaswia.

mokled, „ocnebac”, winamorbedebis

msgavsad, Seecada, rom

saarCevno sistema sakuTar

Tavze moergo. sabolood, yvela

partiam, „ocnebis” garda,

proporciuli arCevnebi moiTxova,

rasac saqarTvelos parlamentis

savarZelSi gavrilovis

Cajdoma da 20 ivnisis movlenebi

moyva. yvelafer amiT SeSinebulma

xelisuflebam gadawyvetileba

miiRo, rac biZina

ivaniSvilma gaaxmovana, proporciul

arCevnebs Cavatarebo, magram

ramdenime Tvis mere, roca

situacia miwynarda, „ocnebam”

ifiqra, safrTxe aRar memuqrebao

da maJoritaruli sistemis

datoveba gadawyvita...

_ beso, es ambebi mec kargad

maxsovs, magram sxva rame gki-

TxeT, anu opoziciam „ocnebis”

winaaRmdeg erTiani frontiT

gamosvla da Tundac saerTo

proporciul siaze SeTanxmeba

ratom ver moaxerxa?

_ swored amas geubnebiT. kerZod,

diplomatebisa da am

procesebis mediatorebis pirdapiri

moTxovna iyo, politikur

speqtrsa da sazogadoebas

surs, rom maJoritaruli sistema

proporciuliT Seicvaloso.

erTi sityviT, miuxedavad

imisa, rom srulad proporciulamde

ver mivediT, xelisuflebas

sxva gza aRar hqonda da

e. w. germanul modelze dasTanxmda,

rac sazogadoebis gamarjvebaa.

sxvaTa Soris, arasodes

gvindoda, rom mTeli opozicia

arCevnebze erT subieqtad gamosuliyo.

_ ratom?

_ amas bevri mizezi aqvs.

_ mainc?

_ Zalian maRali donis Jurnalisti

xarT da qarTul politikaSi

bevr politikosze uke-

Tesad erkveviT.

_ gmadlobT, magram Tu erT

subieqtad gamosvla ar gindodaT,

aba, naTelaSvilis ofis-

Si sxvadasxva yaidis politik-

uri partiebi ratom dasxediT?

_ im magidasTan, ase vTqvaT,

mtradmokidebuli partiebi er-

Tad sazogadoebrivi interesebidan

gamomdinare davsxediT,

rac didi Sedegi iyo. ki batono,

geTanxmebiT, rom opozicia er-

TmaneTs Wams da erToba araa,

magram iciT, aq saubari razea?

_ raze?

_ zogierTma gadawyvita, rom

sakuTari ambiciebi sazogadoebis

interesebze maRla daeyenebina.

_ anu?

_ ai, magaliTad, zogierTi

gamovida da gadawyvetileba saerTo

opoziciuri magidis gareSe

miiRo da Tavi premierobis

kandidatad daayena.

_ beso, kartebi gaxseniT da

pirdapir miTxariT, am „zogi-

erTSi” vis gulisxmobT?

_ Cven Tavidanve ganvacxa-

beso danelia:

`nino burjanaZe

proqarTveli

politikosia da

yvela nabijs

saqarTvelos

interesebidan

gamomdinare

dgams!~

deT, rom parlamentSi koalicias

arc „ocnebas” SevuqmniT da

arc _ saakaSvils. CvenTvis es

politikuri subieqti miuRebelia!

_ samagierod, giga bokeriaa

misaRebi?

_ ara, ara...

_ aba?

_ Cven imis momxre viyaviT,

rom gadawyvetileba erToblivad

miRebuliyo.

_ es rogor?

_ yvela partias gadawyvetileba

erToblivad migveRo, magram,

magaliTad, giorgi vaSaZem

Tu mixeil saakaSvilma ise gamoacxades,

premierobis kandidati

varo, rom es opoziciasTan ar

SeuTanxmebiaT, anu am politikurma

subieqtebma gadawyvetileba

damoukideblad miiRes da

aqedan gamomdinare, Cven Cveni

brZola, sia da partia gvaqvs,

romelic politikurad sakmaod

`roca politikoss imis unari aqvs, rom

moskovSic Cavides, briuselsa da vaSingtonSic,

es, Cemi azriT, mxolod imaze metyvelebs, rom

es adamiani didi politikosia. sxvaTa Soris,

qalbatoni ninos moskovSi vizitebs am

qveynisTvis yovelTvis Sedegi mohqonoda,

Tumca saakaSvilis televiziebi wlebis

ganmavlobaSi Sav piars agorebdnen da lamis

prorusul partiad gvaqcies~

wonadi da gamocdilia. amitom

Cvens saarCevno kampanias aqtiurad

vagrZelebT!

_ keTili, magram saqme

saqmeze rom midges, burjana-

Zis partia „evropul saqarTve-

los” SeuqmniT koalicias?

_ koalicias aravis SevuqmniT

da koaliciaSi mxolod im

SemTxvevaSi viqnebiT, Tu iq yvela

partia Tanabrad iqneba warmodgenili!

saerTod, koaliciis

mizani isaa, rom sazogadoebis

ganwyobebsa da xmebs asaxavdes.

koaliciaSi, rogorc evropuli

gamocdilebaa, zogier-

Ts SeiZleba, meti mandati hqondes,

zogs _ naklebi, magram es

imas ar niSnavs, rom gadawyvetilebebi

viRacam erTpirovnulad

miiRos an viRacas erTi xma

akldeba da mas mxari davuWiroT!

mokled, saubari imazea,

rom koalicia politikurad

srulfasovani unda iyos da

igive parlamentSi sazogadoebis

interesebs maqsimalurad

asaxavdes!

_ sxvaTa Soris, „erTian saq-

arTvelos” maincdamainc bevri

maJoritari ar hyavs, ara?

_ Cven maJoritarebi qobuleTSi,

baTumsa da qarelSi

gvyavs. konsultaciebi midis da

SesaZlebelia, maJoritari gor-

Sic davayenoT. rac Seexeba Tbiliss,

maJoritarobis kandidatebi

ar gvyavs.

_ ratom?

_ amis mizezi, pirvel rigSi,

isaa, rom wlebis ganmavlobaSi

proporciuli arCevnebisTvis

vibrZviT, anu CvenTvis maJoritaruli

sistema miuRebelia da

unda gauqmdes. sxvaTa Soris,

amisTvis partia didi xania, emzadeba

da Tavidan bolomde

proporciul sistemazea gadawyobili.

saerTod, proporciuli

da maJoritaruli saarCevno

kampania erTmaneTisgan gansxvavdeba.

amitom weliwadze metia,

Cven proporciul sistemaze

vmuSaobT da aqedan gamomdinare,

Cvens Zalisxmevas da

sxvebTan SedarebiT, isedac

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16 N23 (325) 06.10-.12.10.2020 w.

mwir resurss swored proporciul

saarCevno kampaniaze vxarjavT!

yvelani vxedavT, xalxs

Sia, magram marto TbilisSi sxvadasxva

partiis milionobiT

baneri da plakatia. Cveni ki er-

Ti plakatic arsad gagvikravs,

radgan viciT, rom es arasworia.

gvirCevnia, im TanxiT, rac

banerebis gakvraze unda dagvexarja,

Cvens programasa da xedvas

mivxedoT, romliTac qveyana

am mdgomareobidan unda

gamoviyvanoT, mas davbeWdavT

da yvela ojaxSi SevitanT!

kanoniT, yvelas aqvs ufleba,

ramdenic unda, imdeni milionis

baneri gaakras, magram

erTs amboben da meores akeTeben.

sazogadoeba yvelafer amas

Zalian kargad xedavs, Tanac

kanonis garda moralic arsebobs

da is umZimesi mdgomareobac,

romelSic dRes saqarTvelos

mosaxleoba imyofeba!

_ politika da morali, vfiqrob,

antipodebia. beso, Cven-

Si darCes da, Tqveni partiis

dasaxelebidan sityva „demok-

ratiuli” ratom gaqra?

_ ar gamqrala.

_ ra vici, ufaso sateleviz-

io reklamaSi mxolod „erTiani

saqarTvelo” ismis, „demokratiul

moZraobas” ki yuri veR-

ar movkari...

_ Cvens partias, dafuZnebis

dRidan, „demokratiuli moZraoba

_ erTiani saqarTvelo” hqvia.

saarCevno subieqtad ki ase

davregistrirdiT _ „nino burjanaZe

_ erTiani saqarTvelo _

demokratiuli moZraoba”. ase

rom, sityva „demokratiuli”

arsad gamqrala! ubralod, mogvaCnia,

rom qveynis gamTlianebis

gareSe winsvla SeuZlebelia.

amitomac sityvebis rigiToba

SevcvaleT da „demokratiuli

moZraobis” win „erTiani saqar-

Tvelo gadmovida” da meti araferi!

_ beso, damidasturebT kuluarul

xmas, rom e. w. naTelaSvilis

magidasTan burjan-

aZis lobisti giga bokeria

iyo?

_ Cvens qveyanaSi qalbatoni

ninos donisa da wonis politikosi

ar arsebobs. Sesabamisad,

mas vinmes lobireba ar sWirdeba!

amasTan, nino burjanaZis

avtoriteti mxolod qveynis

SigniT ki ara, qveynis gareTac

yvelasTvis cnobilia. aqedan

gamomdinare, es politikuri xma

sruliad absurdulia.

_ burjanaZis politikuri

wona gasagebia, magram leiboristebis

magidasTan umete-

sad prodasavluri partiebi

iyvnen. amitom amixseniT, Tqven

rogor moxvdiT?

_ Cven rogori mimdinareobis

varT?

_ yvelafers Tavi rom dav-

aneboT, burjanaZes moskovSi

vizitebs xSirad uxseneben...

_ roca politikoss imis unari

aqvs, rom moskovSic Cavides,

briuselsa da vaSington-

Sic, es, Cemi azriT, mxolod

imaze metyvelebs, rom es adamiani

didi politikosia.

sxvaTa Soris, qalbatoni ninos

moskovSi vizitebs am qveynisTvis

yovelTvis Sedegi mohqonoda,

Tumca saakaSvilis

televiziebi wlebis ganmavlobaSi

Sav piars agorebdnen da

lamis prorusul partiad gvaqcies.

arada, Cvens ofisSi diplomatebis

Sexvedrebi imarTeba,

saerTaSoriso konferenciebzec

xSirad gviwveven da yvelam

kargad icis, rom nino burjanaZe,

pirvel rigSi, proqar-

Tveli politikosia da yvela

nabijs saqarTvelos interesebidan

gamomdinare dgams.

sxvaTa Soris, albaT, gaxsovT,

prezidenti rom gaxda,

mixeil saakaSvils pirveli viziti

sadac hqonda.

_ diax, maxsovs, magram Tu

N23 (325) 06.10-.12.10.2020 w.


es misTvis cudad damTavrdeba!~

`sxva politikuri partiebisgan gansxvavebiT, politikaSi Zalian kargad

verkveviT da viciT, rom dRes saqarTveloSi is situacia araa, zogi

opoziciuri partia 20 procents rom elodeba da zogi - 30-s. Cven Cveni

amomrCeveli identificirebuli gvyavs da saarCevno ubnebze maT miyvanasac

uzrunvelvyofT. Sesabamisad, axal parlamentSi èrTiani saqarTvelo~,

minimum, erTi fraqciiT iqneba warmodgenili~

burjanaZes prorusulobis pi-

ari saakaSvilma augora, maSin

sakiTxavia, mis Tanapartiele-

bTan erTad leiboristebis

magidasTan rogor isxediT?

_ saakaSvilis Tanapartieli,

magaliTad, nika meliacaa, romelic

„nacionalur moZraoba-

Si” 2014 wels mivida. imaze pasuxi,

rac saakaSvilma daaSava, nika

melias rogor unda movTxovoT?

„ocneba” dRes gamodis da

gaiZaxis, „nacionaluri moZraoba”

damnaSave Zalaao, magram rva

welia, xelisuflebaSia da imaze

arafers ambobs, ra gaakeTa an

ris gakeTebas apirebs. „ocneba”

nebismier saubars ase iwyebs da

amTavrebs, _ me Tu ara, „nacionaluri

moZraoba” mobrundebao,

magram Tu qveyanaSi kanoni

kanonobs, damnaSave isjeba. batonma

ivaniSvilma ganacxada,

Zalian kargi sasamarTlo gvaqv-

`yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT, pensia saarsebo

minimumze naklebi ar unda iyos, magram

xelisufleba saarsebo minimumidan sapons,

kbilis jagrissa da tualetis qaRalds iciT,

ratom iRebs? - saarsebo minimumi pensias rom

gautolos. hoda, gamoricxulia, aseTi mTavroba

xelisuflebaSi mesame vadiTac darCes!~

so, magram kargi CinCalaZe-murusiZis

klanis sasamarTloa?

es is adamianebi arian, romel-

Ta mier girgvlianisa Tu sxva

saqmeebze gamotanil gadawyvetilebebze

strasburgma saqar-

Tvelo gaamtyuna. mokled, Tu

„ocnebas” vinmes dasja undoda,

daesaja! Tu vinmem danaSauli

Caidina, amaze gancxadebebi ki

ar unda keTdebodes, aramed,

cixeSi unda ijdes! rac Seexeba

leiboristebis magidas, Cven iq

qveynis interesebidan gamomdinare

visxediT. weRandeli

Tqmisa ar iyos, proporciuli

arCevnebi sazogadoebis dakve-

Ta iyo da Cven, pirad wyenasa da

gabrazebaze maRla yovelTvis

qveynis interesebs vayenebT da

momavalSic ase gavagrZelebT!

_ kidev erTi kiTxva, romelsac

bolo dros yvela respon-

dents vusvam: Tu ise moxda,

rom demokratiis yvela prin-

cipi dairRva da 31 oqtombers

„ocneba” xelisuflebaSi mesa-

me vadiTac darCa, aseT SemTx-

vevaSi, burjanaZis partiis

strategia rogori iqneba?

_ „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

mesame vadiT veRar darCeba!

_ aseTi darwmunebuli ra-

tom xarT?

_ rogorc giTxariT, yoveldRe

xalxs mTel saqarTveloSi

vxvdebiT da sazogadoebas am

xelisuflebis mimarT miuRebloba

aqvs. „ocnebam” xalxi

uamravjer „gadaagdo” da erTi

danapirebic ki ar Seasrula:

TiTo sofelze 5 milionidan

dawyebuli, ufaso fuliTa Tu

aTasi sawarmoTi damTavrebuli.

yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,

pensia saarsebo minimumze

naklebi ar unda iyos, magram xelisufleba

saarsebo minimumidan

sapons, kbilis jagrissa da

tualetis qaRalds iciT, ratom

iRebs?

_ ratom?

_ saarsebo minimumi pensias

rom gautolos. hoda, gamoric-

xulia, aseTi mTavroba xelisuflebaSi

mesame vadiTac darCes!

Tu „ocnebam” gadawyvita da

seve rogorc winaze, arCevnebi

axlac gagviyalba da xmebi mogvpara,

es is wiTeli xazi iqneba,

romlis gadakveTac dRevandel

civilizebul samyaroSi aravis

epatieba! sxvaTa Soris, opozicias

xmebis dacvis Stabi aqvs

Seqmnili. amasTan, ubnebze Cveni

koordinatorebi da warmomadgenlebi

Zalian aqtiurad

imuSaveben. Sesabamisad, xelisuflebis

mxridan nebismier patara

gadacdomasac ki kanonis

CarCoebSi gavaprotestebT da

saCivars davwerT.

amas garda, mxolod adgilobrivi

ki ara, saerTaSoriso

damkvirveblebic iqnebian. procesebSi

Zalian aqtiurad Jurnalistebic

CaerTvebian da sazogadoebas

veravin verafers

daumalavs!

xelisufleba arCevnebis gayalbebas

cdilobs, magram amas

ver SeZlebs, radgan „ocnebam”

kargad icis, Tu arCevnebis gayalbebas

gadawyvets, es misTvis

Zalian cudad damTavrdeba!

_ gasagebia, rom xalxs xelisuflebis

Secvla unda, magram

im Zalas, romelmac „oc-

neba” unda Secvalos, xedavT?

_ 30 welia, saqarTveloSi

erTpirovnuli mmarTvelobaa.

ubralod, gvarebi icvleba.

_ diax, asea, magram amiT

risi Tqma gindaT, beso?

_ sazogadoebas vekiTxebi: am

erTpirovnuli mmarTvelobis

gagrZeleba misaRebia Tu ur-

Cevnia, xelisuflebaSi is partiebi,

romelsac mxars dauWers,

proporciulad iyvnen warmodgenilni?

_ me, rogorc sazogadoebis

warmomadgenels,

cxadia,

mirCevnia, rom erTpirovnuli

mmarTveloba dasruldes.

_ Cvenc swored amas vambobT,

anu unda dasruldes dro, roca

erTi kaci Tavisi oTaxidan

qveyanas feodaliviTa da faSasaviT

marTavs. diax, swored sazogadoebis

dakveTaa, rom koaliciuri

xelisufleba movides.

demokratia yvelas xmaa.

_ e. i., xalxi demokratiuli

mmarTvelobisTvis mzadaa?

_ diax, mzadaa.

_ bolos, beso, „erTian

saqarTvelos” rogori molodini

aqvs, meaTe mowvevis parla-

mentSi ramdeni mandati eqneba?

_ sxva politikuri partiebisgan

gansxvavebiT, politikaSi

Zalian kargad verkveviT da viciT,

rom dRes saqarTveloSi is

situacia araa, zogi opoziciuri

partia 20 procents rom elodeba

da zogi _ 30-s. Cven Cveni

amomrCeveli identificirebuli

gvyavs da saarCevno ubnebze

maT miyvanasac uzrunvelvyofT.

Sesabamisad, axal parlamentSi

„erTiani saqarTvelo”,

minimum, erTi fraqciiT iqneba

warmodgenili.

_ anu eqvsi deputatiT?

_ ara, axali kanoniT, erT

fraqciaSi Svidi deputati unda

iyos.

_ warmatebas gisurvebT,

beso.

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„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelos”

erT-erTi lideri, miSa kaWkaWiSvili, 31 oqtombers imediT xvde-

ba. igi darwmunebulia, rom am dRes xelisufleba aucileblad

Seicvleba. misi TqmiT, sazogadoebas mobezrda erTpartiuli

mmarTveloba da momavali koaliciur mTavrobas ekuTvnis.

ratom veRar Caayenebs koronapandemias

„ocneba” Tavis samsax-

urSi? ra gegma aqvs Cafiqrebuli

opozicias? riT aixsneba maTi pa-

siuroba? ras miiRebs ivaniSvili

arCevnebis gayalbebis SemTxveva-

Si? ras fiqrobs mosaxleoba? _ am

Temebis Sesaxeb miSa kaWkaWiSvili

„qronika+”-s esaubreba:

_ roca „qarTulma ocnebam”

Tavisi saarCevno sia gamoaqveyna,

Tqven socialur qselSi dawereT,

rom mmarTveli partia yvela ma-

Joritaruli olqis mogebas

apirebs da amas nebismier fasad

gaakeTebso.

_ TqvenTan saubarSic igives vityvi:

darwmunebuli var, rom „qarTuli

ocneba” 30-ve maJoritaruli

olqis mogebas apirebs. saxelisuflebo

partias maJoritarobis

kandidatebi saarCevno siis bolo-

Si hyavs Cawerili. es mafiqrebinebs,

rom isini yvela olqis mogebas Seecdebian.

miznis misaRwevad arc Zaladobas

moeridebian da arc _ gayalbebas.

mokled, cecxliTa da maxviliT

Caatareben arCevnebs da ase

Seecdebian TavianTi maJoritarebis

gayvanas. arc amomrCevlis mosyidvaze

ityvian uars. maTTvis mTavaria,

maJoritaruli olqebi moigon.

_ SeZleben yvela maJoritaris

gayvanas? _ 2016 wels 73 olqidan

72-Si Tavisi kandidatebi gaiyv-

anes, erTi xaSuri moigo simon

nozaZem, magram mere isic „gaqoc-

da” da mas madlobis niSnad

mmarTvelma partiam saparlamen-

to fraqciac ki Seuqmna.

_ „qarTul ocnebas” ganzraxuli

aqvs, rom yvela olqSi gaiyvanos

Tavisi maJoritarobis kandidati.

SeZleben Tu ara, es damokidebulia

opoziciaze, sazogadoebaze.

sxvebis ar vici, magram me da

Cemi partia yvelafers gavakeTebT,

rom „qarTul ocnebas” momaval

parlamentSi ar hqondes umravlesoba

da opoziciaSi gadavides.

_ marto Tqveni partiis mon-

domebiT „qarTuli ocneba” opoz-

iciaSi veranairad ver gadava. am

miznis misaRwevad erTiani brZo-

laa saWiro. danarCeni opozicia

da sazogadoeba amisTvis akeTebs

rames?

_ Cemi partia da Cemi megobrebi

rom „qarTuli ocnebis” opozicia-

Si gadasayvanad yvelafers akeTeben,

es vici. sxvebi ras akeTeben,

amaze verafers getyviT. verc pasuxs

vageb maTze. mgonia, rom bevri

keTdeba amisTvis. cvlilebebi

yvelas unda.

_ SeiZleba, raRac marTla keT-

deba, magram es saaSkaraoze ar

gamodis. Cven namdvilad ver vxe-

davT, rom opoziciuri partiebi

am mimarTulebiT aqtiurad muSa-

oben.

_ marTali xarT. bevri raRac

saaSkaraoze ar gamodis. bevr rames

mediisa da sazogadoebis dasanaxad

arc vakeTebT. Cveni saqmianobis

Sesaxeb bevri rame SeiZleba, susmac

ki ar icis.

_ susma ratom unda icodes?

_ susi da xelisuflebasTan

arsebuli garkveuli jgufebi xom

moyuradebuli arian opoziciaze

da cdiloben garkvevas, ras vakeTebT,

ras vapirebT. susma bevri rame

ar icis. sazogadoebac fiqrobs,

rom gaCerebulebi varT, magram ra-

Rac jgufebi aqtiur saarCevno kampanias

ewevian. aqedan gamomdinare,

darwmunebuli var, Zalian male

„qarTuli ocneba” opoziciaSi ga-

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dava. sazogadoebaSi sul tyuilad

gaCnda gancda, rom opozicia gaer-

Tianebuli ar aris. es ase namdvilad

ar gaxlavT. ager, sul male mova

20 oqtomberi da naxavT, rac

xdeba.

_ 20 oqtombers rames apirebs

opozicia?

_ opozicia arafers apirebs.

ubralod, am ricxvidan ufro gaxurdeba

saarCevno kampania da sazogadoeba

naxavs, ra SeuZlia opozicias.

_ arCevnebamde ramdenime dRiT

adre opozicia Zalian aqtiuria

xolme, magram am viTarebaSi Sei-

Zleba, es ver SeZloT. mkveTrad

moimata koronainficirebulTa

ricxvma da SeiZleba, isev saxleb-

Si gamogvketos xelisuflebam.

_ Cvens xelisuflebas SeiZleba,

Zalianac unda, rom saxlebSi gamoketos

xalxic da opoziciac, magram

am SemTxvevaSi Cvens gamoketvas

ver moaxerxebs. amis gakeTeba,

ubralod, SeuZlebelia.

_ SeuZlebeli ratom aris? Tu

saqmes dasWirda, isev gamogvket-

aven saxlebSi.

_ am viTarebaSi saxlebSi Cveni

gamoketva SeuZlebelia, radgan es

saSinel Sedegebs moitans. pirdapir

vTqvaT: dRes adamianebs Sim-

Silisa da gaWirvebis ufro eSiniaT,

vidre im Sedegebis, rac koronavirusma

SeiZleba moitanos.

gazafxulze koronis gamo erTxel

ukve Caiketa qveyana. maSin bankebma

sesxebi gadaavades, procentebi

gaaCeres. amiT adamianebi cota

damSviddnen da kampaniam „dar-

CiT saxlSi” imuSava. roca ici, rom

ojaxSi raRac puris fuls miitan

da, amave dros, Tvis bolos banki

procents ar mogTxovs, regulaciebs

daeqvemdebarebi. axla kidev

erTxel rom Caiketos qveyana da

gviTxran, darCiT saxlSio, adamianebma

riT unda gadaixadon bankis

vali? valis gadaxdis garda maT

Wama da smac xom undaT? marto Wama

da sma xom ar aris? adamians milioni

rame unda kidev. swavla daiwyo

da bavSvebs xom undaT tansacmeli,

mgzavroba, wignebi, rveulebi...

axla qveynis Caketva cud ambebs

gamoiwvevs. amas verc qveyana

gadaitans da verc _ xalxi. sakmaod

SeZlebuli garemocva myavda da

roca Cven irgvliv adamianebs uWirdaT,

yvelas exmareboda. ase grZeldeba

ukve ramdeni welia, magram

am koronapandemiam yvelas daatyo

Tavisi xeli. yvelas gauWirda. qeyanaSi

yvelaferi gaCerda. piradad

me rac ar unda meZaxon, darCi saxlSio,

ver davrCebi. Svilebi myavs.

sul rom cixeSi momiwios wasvla,

mainc gamoval gareT.

_ cixeze Tqvens ZaRl noasTan

dakavSirebuli ambavi gamaxsenda.

es umweo mdgomareobaSi myofi

lekvi komendantis saaTis dros

ipoveT da veterinarTan waiyva-

neT. im dros manqaniT mxolod

specsaSvebiT gadaadgildebodnen.

amis gamo 3000 lari jarima dage-

kisraT. am jarimis gadaxdas, rog-

orc vici, ar apirebT.

_ sasamarTlom jarimis gadaxda

gaaCera. axla velodebi, rodis

CainiSneba procesi. aucileblad

mival sasamarTloze. minda, im policielebs

samagaliTod vagebino

pasuxi, romlebmac es jarima gamoweres.

sasamarTlo arCevnebamde,

albaT, ar iqneba. winasaarCevnod

zedmeti Tavis tkivili araferSi

sWirdebaT.

_ isev arCevnebsa da koronapan-

`qarTuli ocneba~

demias davubrundeT: Tqveni saubridan

Tu vimsjelebT, arCevneb-

is win an naarCevnebs qveynis Caket-

vas ar elodebiT.

_ imitom ar velodebi, rom ver

Caketaven. qveyanas roca ketav, adamianebs

unda Seuqmna saarsebo

pirobebi. axla xelisuflebas ase-

Ti pirobebis Seqmna ar SeuZlia.

Tanac Caketva savaldebuli ar

aris.

_ arc gazafxulze iyo Caketva

aucilebeli, magram mTeli qveya-

na Caiketa.

_ gazafxulze Caketvas gamarTleba

hqonda. maSin virusi axali

Semosuli iyo da mis Sesaxeb

bevri araferi icodnen eqimebma. ar

vicodiT, iyo Tu ara es virusi

mkvleli.

_ virusis buneba rom ar vi-

codiT, amitomac yvelani gagebiT

movekideT qveynis gaCerebasa da

ekonomikis CamoSlas.

_ namdvilad gagebiT movekideT.

axlac gagebiT vekidebiT dawesebul

SezRudvebs da yvelanair

wesebs vicav, rac dadgenilia. mec

myavs xandazmulebi ojaxSi da ar

minda, maT virusi mivutano. roca

adamians saxlSi saWmeli ar aqvs da

is puris fulis saSovnelad gareT

miSa kaWkaWiSvili:

ìvaniSvilis

gadasawyvetia,

arCevnebiT wava,

Tu eskalaciis

gzas airCevs?~

unda gavides, mas ver etyvi, virusia

da unda Cagketoo. axla qveynis

sruli Caketva imxela bunts

gamoiwvevs, rom sxva raRacebi monagoni

iqneba. es arCevnebis Sedegebzec

aisaxeba. Cemi sityva daimaxsovreT:

„qarTuli ocneba” Tu ar-

Cevnebs gaayalbebs, saSinel Sedegs

miiRebs. mmarTvelma partiam unda

gaacnobieros, rom axla aRar aris

2016 weli. maSin ivaniSvils, jer

kidev, hqonda dividendebi.

_ gvegona, rom 2018 welsac ar

gaatarebda xalxi arCevnebis gay-

albebas, magram saprezidento

arCevnebis gayalbebac CavylapeT.

axlac igive xom ar moxdeba?

_ saprezidento arCevnebs amxela

mniSvneloba ar hqonda, ra mniSvnelobac

31 oqtombers dagegmil

arCevnebs aqvs. arc damimalavs da

arc axla davmalav, rom im arCevnebeze

„qarTuli ocnebis” kandidats

vuWerdi mxars da centralur

StabSi viyavi. „qarTulma ocnebam”

unda Seignos, rom lozungi „miSa

mova” aRar muSaobs. xalxi aRar reagirebs

imaze, rom miSa Tu Camova,

SegvWams. ise, vis unda eSinodes

magisi? prezidenti rom iyo, maSin

ar gveSinoda.

_ miSas vinc ebrZoda, imaT ar

`qarTulma ocnebam~ unda Seignos, rom

lozungi `miSa mova~ aRar muSaobs. xalxi aRar

reagirebs imaze, rom miSa Tu Camova, SegvWams.

ise, vis unda eSinodes magisi? prezidenti rom

iyo, maSin ar gveSinoda~

eSiniaT saakaSvilis dabrunebis

da sxvas ratom eSinia?

_ aSineben xalxs da eubnebian,

rom miSa Tu dabrunda, is sadamsjelo

RonisZiebebs gaatarebs.

miSas faqtori moxsnilia. arCevnebi

Tu gamWvirvaled Catarda, ivaniSvili

damarcxdeba. is im SemTxvevaSic

damarcxdeba, Tu arCevnebs

gaayalbebs.

_ orive SemTxvevaSi rogor

damarcxdeba?

_ damijereT, is orive SemTxvevaSi

damarcxdeba. amitom jobia,

Tavis partiasTan erTad gadavides

opoziciaSi. iyvnen politikaSi da

Tu xalxi airCevs, isev dabrundebian

xelisuflebaSi. vin unda iyos

xelisufali, es mxolod amomrCevlis

gadasawyvetia. imedia, rom

ivaniSvili gaiTvaliswinebs amas da

gayalbebaze ar wava. yvela variantSi

damarcxdeba, arCevnebis gayalbeba

ase aRar Caivlis. ivaniSvils

wasvla mainc mouwevs, ubralod,

procesi gaiweleba da quCaSi

megafonebiT mogviwevs sirbili.

_ sirbili axla ar jobia.

raRac ar Cans, rom opozicia aqtiuria.

marto bukletebis dari-

geba saqmes ar Svelis.

_ merwmuneT, rom opozicia Zalian

aqtiuria. yvela partia muSa

procesSia. am pandemiis Jams mets

verafers gaakeTeben. adamianebi

quCaSi gamosvlasa da TavSeyras

eridebian. TavSeyrac akrZalulia.

TavSeyris ufleba mxolod „qarTuli

ocnebis” gamorCeul saxeebs

aqvT. danarCen sazogadoebas es

ekrZaleba. Cven Zalian aqtiurad

davdivarT, vatarebT kardakaris

kampanias, CavdivarT regionebSi da

24 saaTi vmuSaobT.

_ sul davdivarTo, ambobT da

xalxis ganwyobac gecodinebaT.

ras fiqrobs mosaxleoba?

_ xalxs aRar unda erTpirovnuli

da erTpartiuli mmarTveloba.

amiT Cveni sazogadoeba daiRala.

merwmuneT, am qveyanaSi bevri rame

minaxavs. yovelTvis pulsze medo

xeli da vici, Tu ra xdeba, xalxs

unda cvlilebebi da amas arCevnebzec

daafiqsirebs. ase rom, axla

ivaniSvilis gadasawyvetia, mSvidad

wava Tu _ eskalaciis gziT?

_ ivaniSvilis Tanapartielebs

Tu movusmenT, aSkarad Cans, rom

isini arsad wasvlas apireben.

_ ivaniSvilis Tanapartielebs

aravin arafers ekiTxeba. mniSvneloba

ar aqvs, am adamianebs ramdenad

maRali postebi ukaviaT

mTavrobasa da parlamentSi. maTi

18 N23 (325) 06.10-.12.10.2020 w.


ukve damarcxebulia~

`Cemi sityva daimaxsovreT: `qarTuli ocneba~ Tu arCevnebs gaayalbebs,

saSinel Sedegs miiRebs. mmarTvelma partiam unda gaacnobieros, rom axla

aRar aris 2016 weli. maSin ivaniSvils, jer kidev, hqonda dividendebi~

maqsimumi saarCevno siaSi 2-3 kacis

Casmaa. esaa da es.

_ SeiZleba, ivaniSvili maT

arafers ekiTxeba, magram isini

qmnian sazogadoebriv azrs, rom

xelisuflebis saTaveSi isev

„qarTuli ocneba” darCeba.

_ rac ar unda ilaparakon, sazogadoebriv

azrs veRar Seqmnian,

es azri ukve Seqmnilia. xalxs aRar

unda erTpirovnuli mmarTveloba.

maTTvis sulerTia, erTpirovnuli

mmarTveli miSa iqneba Tu _ biZina.

mosaxleobas am Waobidan amosvla

da gaWirvebisTvis Tavis daRweva

unda. ivaniSvils Sansi hqonda, rom

qveyana swori mimarTulebiT waeyvana,

magram im 9 wels daamata Tavisi

mmarTvelobis 8 weli da xalxi

kidev ufro gaaubedura. amasobaSi

ki gavida 17 weli. Taobebi gaWirvebaSi

gaizarda. qveyana sakmaod win

unda iyos wasuli da xom xedavT,

sad varT?!

_ ambobT, rom xalxs Waobidan

amosvla da gaWirvebis daZleva

undao. ra garantiaa, rom opozi-

cia qveyanas Waobidan amoiyvans?

aseTi garantia ar aris da ratom

unda mogceT mosaxleobam xma?

_ me sakiTxs ase davsvamdi, _

ratom ar unda mogvcen xma? am qveyanas

krizisidan gamosvla sWirdeba.

xelisuflebis saTaveSi miliar-

deria da xalxi groSebs ver Soulobs.

Tu qveyanas araferi eSvela

da kidev ufro ukan wavida, ratom

unda darCes ivaniSvili qveynis sa-

TaveSi? cvlilebebi rom gatardes,

axali Zala unda movides qveynis

saTaveSi.

_ opoziciuri partiebi erTmaneTisgan

mkveTrad gansxvavdeb-

iT. SeZlebT erTad muSaobas?

_ ratom ver SevZlebT? SeiZleba,

iyos dapirispireba, kamaTi, magram

am situaciidan gamosvlis

gzebs aucileblad movnaxavT. axla

es gzebia sapovneli da ara is, rom

„viRac pulti” ijdes parlamentSi,

romelsac wigni ar waukiTxavs cxovrebaSi.

xalxi mSieria da gadamwyveti

zomebis miReba gvWirdeba.

darwmunebiT SemiZlia giTxraT,

rom es xelisufleba opoziciaSi

gadava. mere rogori iqneba misi

bedi, vnaxoT.

_ sxva respondentebisgan gan-

sxvavebiT optimisturad xarT

ganwyobili da gjeraT, rom xelisufleba

aucileblad Seicv-

leba.

_ yovelTvis optimisturad var

ganwyobili. axla optimizmis sababs

Seqmnili viTareba maZlevs. es

xelisufleba aucileblad Seicvleba.

Zalian bevri rame minaxavs,

Tu rogor icvlebian xelisuflebebi.

bevri saarCevno kampania Camitarebia.

minda dagarwmunoT, rom

aseTi arCevnebi saqarTveloSi ar

Catarebula, rogoric wels unda

Catardes.

_ riT iqneba es arCevnebi ase-

Ti gansakuTrebuli? sxva arCe-

vnebs imiT ar hgavs, albaT, rom

proporciulTan maqsimalurad

aris miaxloebuli.

_ es arCevnebi mxolod imiT ar

iqneba gansxvavebuli, rom proporciulTan

maqsimalurad miaxloebulia.

am arCevnebma Zalian bevri

rame unda Secvalos. am arCevnebze

Cveni sazogadoeba erTxel da samudamod

uars etyvis erTpartiul

da erTpirovnul mmarTvelobas.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom Cveni

szogadoeba uars etyvis erT-

partiul da erTpirovnul

mmarTvelobas?

_ darwmunebuli var. amis Tqmis

sababs is ganwyoba maZlevs, rasac

xalxSi vxedav. amis garda, daskvnebis

gamotana SeiZleba im kvleve-

bidanac, romlebic mravlad tardeba.

_ kvlevebis Sedegebi ise gansxvavdeba

erTmaneTisgan, rom Seu-

Zlebelia raime daskvnis gamotana.

_ kvlevebSi partiebs sxvadasxva

Sedegi aqvs, magram yvela kvlevaSi

naTlad Cans, rom amomrCevlis

20-25% gadauwyvetelia. isini

xelisuflebis mxardamWerebi namdvilad

ar arian. rogorc wesi, xelisuflebis

mxardamWerebi ar malaven

sakuTar arCevans. gadauwyvetel

amomrCevels, sinamdvileSi,

ukve gadawyvetili aqvs, vis unda

misces xma. mxolod amis Tqmas xmamaRla

eridebian. isini opoziciuri

partiebis mxardamWerebi arian.

am gadauwyveteli amomrCevlis

xmebi gadanawildeba im partiebze,

romlebic parlamentSi moxvdebian.

es partiebi Seqmnian kidevac

koaliciur mTavrobas.

_ dawmunebuli xarT, rom par-

lamentSi Sesuli yvela partia

opoziciis gerdiT idgeba da biZ-

ina ivaniSvils ar gaurigdeba? Za-

lian didi fuli aqvs am kacs. di-

di fuliT ki bevri ramisa Tu vin-

mes yidva SeiZleba.

_ veravisze Tavs ver davdeb da

gadaWriT ver vityvi, rom viRac

gaurigdeba ivaniSvils da viRac _

ara. sabednierod, am qveyanaSi arian

partiebi, romlebic pirad ke-

TildReobas pirvel adgilze ar

ayeneben. aseTi partiebi namdvilad

ar gaurigdebian „qarTuli ocnebis”

liders. Rrmad var darwmunebuli,

rom 31 oqtombris arCevnebis

Semdeg qveyanaSi xelisuflebac Seicvleba

da, Sesabamisad, situaciac.

meored gamkacrebulma regulaciebma

aWaraSi problemebi Seqmna

mTavrobis administraciaSi gamarTul brifingze,

xviCa mamulaZe

sakoordinacio sabWos gadawyvetilebiT, aWaraSi sa-

zogadoebrivi transportiT gadaadgileba SeCerda.

aseve 22:00 saaTidan aRar muSaobs restornebi. Tu ra problemebi Seeqmna am gadawyvetilebiT

aWaris mosaxleobas, „qronika+~ gaesaubra ramdenime restornis mepa-

trones, sazogadoebrivi transportis mZoRlebsa da rigiT moqalaqeebs:

baTumSi BURGER BUZZ-is mepatrone

giorgi darCia gaxlavT. mas axali regulaciebis

Tanaxmad mouwia obieqtis daketva,

radgan, misi gancxadebiT, obieqti, ZiriTadad,

saRamos saaTebSi iyo datvirTu-

li:

_ batoni giorgi, ratom gadawyviteT

obieqtis daketva?

_ regulaciebis Tanaxmad, obieqtebi sa-

Ramos 10 saaTze unda daiketos. Sesabamisad,

radgan BURGER BUZZ-i ufro saRamos

saaTebSi iyo datvirTuli, sadac stumrebi

9 saaTidan modiodnen, regulaciebma ufro

daamZima Cveni muSaoba. garSemo, daaxloebiT,

sami obieqti daiketa. naTel wertils

veRar vxedav. ra unda moxdes, isic ar vici,

es regulaciebi ramdeni xani gagrZeldeba.

Cemi varaudiT, albaT, _ arCevnebamde. es

yvelaferi arCevnebs ukavSirdeba.

_ ramdeni TanamSromeli gyavdaT

obieqtze da ra bedi ewia maT?

_ obieqtze sami TanamSromeli myavda

dasaqmebuli da, faqtobrivad, am regulaciebis

pirobebSi, umuSevari damrCa, magram

maT anazRaureba bolomde gadavuxade, moviZie

piradi saxsrebi, rom dasaqmebulebi

uxelfasod ar dametovebina da Tanxa gadavuxade.

„qronika+~ aseve esaubra erT-erT mo-

qalaqes, romelsac obieqtis daketvis

dros problema Seeqmna:

_ erT-erT obieqtze vmuSaobdi, saxels

ver davasaxeleb, sadac 12 saaTze met xans

miwevda muSaoba. xelfasi ar iyo misaRebi,

magram sxva gza ar mqonda _ ojaxi myavda

sarCeni. erT Tveze meti vimuSave da xelfasis

dRes velodebodi, magram regulaciebis

Tanaxmad obieqtma muSaoba SeaCera. meore

dRes megona, Cveulebrivad momiwevda

samsaxurSi wasvla. verc ki vifiqrebdi, Tu

daiketeboda. roca amis Sesaxeb gavige megona,

rom ufrosi srulad gadamixdida

anazRaurebas, rac vimuSave, magram es ase ar

moxda _ Zalian cota gadamixada. roca pasuxi

movTxove, miTxra, _ sxva gza ar maqvs

da darCenil Tanxas roca saSualeba meqneba,

gadagixdio. ar vici, rodis miviReb srulad

Tanxas, Zalian didi problema Semeqmna,

magram verafers vakeTeb, xelisuflebac

ver damexmareba _ am SemTxveaSi mxolod RmerTis

imedad var darCenili.

problemebi SeqmnaT mZRolebsac, rom-

lebic regulaciebis Tanaxmad Semosavlis

gareSe darCnen.

nika beriZe _ sazogadoebrivi trans-

portis mZRoli:

_ gamarjoba, rogor aisaxa Semosavalze

axali regulaciebma?

_ Zalian cudad! umuSevrebi, erTi Te-

Tris gareSe davrCiT. aqamde puris fuls

mainc vakeTebdiT, samuSao gvqonda, magram

axla? ar viciT, ra unda vqnaT, vis mivmar-

ToT?!

Tengiz ServaSiZe _ mZRoli:

_ ra saWiro iyo kvlav axali regulaciis

SemoReba? isedac gaRaribebulebi varT.

`riT viaro samsaxurSi? imdeni Semosavali ar maqvs,

rom taqsi gamoviZaxo. aqamde avtobusiT vsargeblobdi,

axla ra gavakeTo? mesmis, rom pandemiaa qveyanaSi,

magram Cvenzec xom unda izrunos vinmem? yvela

rekomendacias viTvaliswinebdi, magram ar yofila

saWiro. axla ki axali regulaciis miReba gaxda

aucilebeli. Caketilebi viyaviT da xma ar amogviRia,

axla ra vqnaT, vin dagvexmareba?~

Semosavlis gareSe darCenilebi adre xom

Cagvketes, ar eyoT? bankis vali maqvs, mcirewlovani

bavSvebi myavs, ra vaWamo maT,

umuSevari davrCi, vin damexmareba?

nazi cercvaZe _ baTumeli:

_ riT viaro samsaxurSi? imdeni Semosavali

ar maqvs, rom taqsi gamoviZaxo. aqamde

avtobusiT vsargeblobdi, axla ra gavake-

To? mesmis, rom pandemiaa qveyanaSi, magram

Cvenzec xom unda izrunos vinmem? yvela rekomendacias

viTvaliswinebdi, magram ar

yofila saWiro. axla ki axali regulaciis

miReba gaxda aucilebeli. Caketilebi viyaviT

da xma ar amogviRia, axla ra vqnaT, vin

dagvexmareba?

SegaxsenebT: aWaraSi amoqmedebulia axali

regulaciebi, romlis Tanaxmadac

aikrZala sazogadoebrivi transporti, restonrebs

ki muSaoba mxolod saRamos 22:00

saaTamde SeuZliaT.

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arCevnebamde erTi TviT adre

Sorena marsagiSvili

opoziciam amomrCevlis saxtad da-

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toveba SeZlo. saarCevno siebma

gancda gaaCina, rom opozicias

arCevnebis mogeba ar unda. „nacionaluri moZraobis” yofili

Tavmjdomare mirian mirianaSvili ambobs, rom siebis aseTi saxiT

warmodgena pirdapir kavSirSia saqarTvelos garSemo Seqmnil vi-

TarebasTan. is ixsenebs saqarTveloSi surkovis saidumlo vizit-

sac. misi varaudiT, maSin bevri rame gadawyda. magaliTad, isic,

rom ivaniSvili koaliciur mTavrobas aRar dasTanxmdeboda.

ra Seicvala qarTul politikaSi?

vin daixia ukan _ ivaniSvilma

Tu opoziciam? ra mi-

TiTebebs elodeba „qarTuli

ocneba” dasavleTidan? ratom

amoiRo oligarqma politikose-

bis nawili Savi siidan? ratom

ar iqneba areuloba qveyanaSi? _

amis Sesaxeb mirian mirianaSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ batono mirian, dRes qveya-

naSi mTavari salaparako Tema

saarCevno siebia. opoziciis

warmodgenili siebi veranair

kritikas ver uZlebs. TiTqos

arCevnebis mogeba ar undaTo,

iseTi Semadgenlobebi gamoiyv-

anes. Tqven ras gvetyviT?

_ CemTvis aseTi siebi moulodneli

ar yofila. bolo period-

Si bevri rame Seicvala saqarTvelos

garSemo. am arCevnebSi umravlesobas

isev „qarTuli ocneba”

aiRebs. opozicia amis gasaprotesteblad

quCaSi ar gamova.

orive erTad moemzadeba vadamdeli

saparlamento arCevnebisTvis,

romelic momaval wels

Catardeba.

_ momaval wels TviTmmarT-

velobis arCevnebi tardeba.

_ vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebi TviTmmarTvelobis

arCevnebTan erTad Catardeba,

axla ki yvelaferi ise darCeba,

rogorc aris. parlamentSi ramdenime

opoziciuri Zala Seva,

magram umravlesoba isev ivaniSvils

eqneba. dRes, rogorc arasdros,

saqarTvelo Tavisufalia

rusuli gavlenebisgan. dasavle-

Tis gaaqtiureba moskovs xelfexs

ukravs da, Sesabamisad, verc

lavrovi gascems gankargulebebs,

rogorc aqamde iyo.

_ aqamde lavrovis Wkuaze

davdiodiT?

_ ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa

ministri sergei lavrovi Riad

ambobda, rom putinma mas kavkasiis

mefisnacvloba daavala. saparlamento

arCevnebis periodSi

saqarTveloSi misi gavlenebi

Tvisobrivad unda gamyarebuliyo,

magram bolo Tveebis man-

Zilze ruseTis wona da gavlena

mTel msoflioSi kidev ufro

daeca. lavrovi iseTi pirovneba

gaxda, visTvisac xelis CamorTmeva

aRaravis surs. yarabaRis

konfliqtis ganaxlebam 1921

wels dawyebul ruseTis gavlenis

epoqas wertili dausva.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom yara-

baRis omma ruseTis gavlenis

epoqas wertili dausva? ase

iolad daTmoben poziciebs?

_ ruseTis gavlenis epoqas

wertili daesva. es iqidanac Cans,

rom moskovi am procesebSi mx-

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àrCevnebi arafers Secvlis,

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mirian mirianaSvili:

olod garedan monawileobs. amis

anareklma saqarTveloSi dagegmil

saparlamento arCevnebzec

iqonia gavlena. gavlena im TvalsazrisiT,

rom is roli, romelic

„evropul saqarTvelos” unda

hqonoda arCevnebis Semdeg, seriozuli

eWvis qveS dadga.

_ ra rols gulisxmobT? iyo

saubari, rom ivaniSvili maT-

Tvis apirebs xelisuflebis

gadabarebas.

_ amazec iyo saubari. ramdenime

Tvis win TqvenTan interviu-

Si vTqvi, rom dagegmili gaxldaT

elene xoStarias gapremiereba.

axla es sakiTxi dRis

wesrigidan saerTod moixsna.

_ albaT, surkovmac Camoit-

ana raRac miTiTebebi, romelic,

Tqveni informaciiT, saqarTvelos

ramdenime kviris win saidumlod

stumrobda. is Tbilis-

Si yarabaRis konfliqtis dawye-

bamde cota xniT adre Camovida.

_ surkovi yarabaRis konfliqtis

dawyebamde cota xniT adre

Camovida. maSin omisTvis yvelaferi

mzad iyo. saqarTveloSi samxedro-politikuri

elita ar

gvyavs da CvenTvisaa es konfliqti

moulodneli, Torem sxva yvela

xvdeboda, rom es gayinuli

konfliqti ganaxldeboda. rogorc

amboben, omis dawyebamde

erTi kviriT adre ramdenime aTasi

meamboxe gadmoisroles siriidan

azerbaijanSi. yarabaRSi

SeiaraRebuli konfliqtis ganaxlebam

kidev erTxel daadastura,

rom Cveni arCevnebi ruseTis-

Tvis iseTi aqtualuri aRar iqneba,

rogorc aqamde iyo xolme.

_ ruseTs CvenTvis aRar sca-

lia, Tu ratom aRar iqneba es

arCevnebi misTvis aqtualuri?

_ mTlad asec araa, rom ruseTs

CvenTvis aRar scalia. moskovi

saqarTvelos uyuradRebod

ar datovebda, magram ruseTis

roli da gavlenebi Zalian Sesustda

mTel msoflioSi. am fonze

saeWvo gaxda is roli, romelic

„evropul saqarTvelos” aq unda

eTamaSa. axla biZina ivaniSvili

SeiZleba, imazec ki wavides, rom

koaliciur mTavrobaze Tqvas

uari. is instrumenti, rasac saxelad

„evropuli saqarTvelo”

hqvia, misTvis, savaraudod, didi

zianis momtani iqneba. beWdur mediaSi,

socialur qselebsa da

televiziebiT aqtiurad ganixileboda

Tema, rom oqtombris

Semdeg koaliciuri mTavroba

gveyoleboda. axla am sakiTxze

aRarc ki saubroben.

_ rogor ar saubroben,

opozicia xSirad axsenebs koal-

iciur mTavrobas.

`dRes, rogorc

arasdros,

saqarTvelo

Tavisufalia rusuli

gavlenebisgan~

_ am Temaze ise aqtiurad

aravin saubrobs, rogorc Tundac

erTi Tvis winaT. koaliciur

mTavrobaze xelisuflebis

davalebiT asobiT kontrolirebadi

adamiani werda socialur

qselSi, axla isini gaaCeres. koaliciuri

mTavrobis Camoyalibebis

Temas erTgvari tabu daedo.

cota xniT adre xelisufleba

am Temas seriozul propagandas

uwevda. ase ucbad poziciis

Secvla SemTxveviT da umizezod

ar xdeba. raki am Temas tabu daedo,

es imas niSnavs, rom koaliciuri

mTavrobis Tema biZina

ivaniSvilisTvis aramimzidveli

gaxda. qveynis araformaluri

mmarTvelisTvis idea saintereso

Tu aRar aris, maSin am saqmeSi

savaraudo partnioric usargeblo

da miuRebeli xdeba. is procentebi,

romelic opozicias

unda mieRo koaliciuri mTavrobis

Sesaqmnelad, isev „qarTul

ocnebas” daubrundeba.

SegviZlia vivaraudoT, rom

biZina ivaniSvili politikuri

konstruqciis mkveTr cvalebadobas

ar gaakeTebs. is axla saarCevno

administracias saimisod

ver daqoqavs, rom didi procentebi

aiRos. „qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri samoqmedod Camoayalibebs

50%-Tan miaxloebul Sedegs.

am 50%-Si Sedian rogorc partia,

aseve maJoritarebi. CemTvis

cnobilia, rom „qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri yvelafers akeTebs,

raTa gavlenian moTamaSeebamde

miitanos da SeaTanxmos ar-

Cevnebis savaraudo Sedegi. maTi

Tanxmobis gareSe ivaniSvili aseT

procentebs ver dawers.

_ Tqven saidan iciT, rom

ivaniSvili gavlenian moTama-

`ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministri sergei

lavrovi Riad ambobda, rom putinma mas

kavkasiis mefisnacvloba daavala.

saparlamento arCevnebis periodSi

saqarTveloSi misi gavlenebi Tvisobrivad

unda gamyarebuliyo, magram bolo Tveebis

manZilze ruseTis wona da gavlena mTel

msoflioSi kidev ufro daeca. lavrovi

iseTi pirovneba gaxda, visTvisac xelis

CamorTmeva aRaravis surs. yarabaRis

konfliqtis ganaxlebam 1921 wels dawyebul

ruseTis gavlenis epoqas wertili dausva~

SeebTan cdilobs am sakiTxis

SeTanxmebas?

_ gavlenian moTamaSeebamde

rom cdilobs misvlas da dalaparakebas,

aqedan vici eg ambavi.

aba, biZina ivaniSvilis bloknot-

Si arc me vixedebi da arc _ sxva

vinme.

_ am droisTvis ivaniSvils

miRweuli aqvs rame SeTanxmeba

gavlenian moTamaSeebTan?

_ saboloo SeTanxmeba miRweuli

araa, magram didi mcdeloba

aqvs. unda, rom Sedegebis saboloo

konturebi SeaTanxmos. mas

Zalian ainteresebs imis gageba,

es konturebi misaRebi iqneba Tu

ara amerikuli mxarisTvis. ivaniSvilisTvis

axla yvelaze mniSvnelovani

vaSingtonis poziciaa.

dReisTvis imis Tqma SemiZlia,

rom saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT

damokidebuleba mkveTrad Secvlilia.

arCevnebis Semdgom mRelvarebas

dasavleTi mxars ar dau-

Wers. es mas niSnavs, rom arCevnebis

Sedegebs opozicia ar gaaprotestebs.

_ opoziciis warmomadgenle-

bi dRemde imas gaiZaxian, rom

Tu arCevnebs opoziciuri partiebi

ar moigeben, xmebis dasa-

cavad quCaSi gamovalTo.

_ opozicia bevr rames ambobs,

magram yvelafers ki ar asrulebs.

Tu raRac standartebis

dacviT Catarda arCevnebi da

„qarTulma ocnebam” saSineleba

ar daatriala, opozicia xmebis

dasacavad quCaSi ar gamova. dRes

dasavleTs saqarTveloSi areuloba

da daZabuloba ar awyobs.

esec rom ar iyos, opoziciis

quCaSi gamosvlis perspeqtiva

kidev erTi mizezis gamo dadga

eWvqveS: rogorc ukve giTxariT,

dRis wesrigSi aRar dgas koaliciuri

mTavrobis Seqmnis sakiTxi.

opozicia aseve sul tyuilad

asaxelebs premierobisa da parlamentis

Tavmjdomaris kandidaturebs.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom mTavr-

obas isev „qarTuli ocneba”

daakompleqtebs, premieri gax-

aria iqneba, xolo parlamentis

spikeri _ arCil TalakvaZe?

_ personalurad vin iqneba

parlamentis spikeri, ar vici.

ivaniSvili gadawyvets, vis Caabaros

es posti. gaxaria rom pre-

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òcneba~ xelisuflebaSi darCeba~

mieri gaxdeba, SegviZlia Zalian

didi doziT vivaraudoT.

_ gaxarias xelaxla gapremierebaSi

eWvi ratom ar geparebaT?

es adamiani „qarTuli oc-

nebis” gundSi didad ar uyvarT.

_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, gundSi

vin moswonT an ar moswonT? Cven

xom yvelam kargad viciT, rom

araviTari gundi ar arsebobs da

gadawyvetilebebs erTi kaci Rebulobs.

„ocnebaSi” arsebul dapirispirebaze

xSirad gamodis

gareT informacia, rac ivaniSvilis

davalebiT Jonavs. aseve ivaniSvili

avalebs Tanagundelebis

nawils, rom raRaciT ukmayofiloni

iyvnen, Torem damoukideblad

gaxaria am adamianebs

arc uyvarT da arc sZulT.

_ kaxa kalaZeze ras gvet-

yviT? amboben, rom is ivaniSvil-

isgan damoukideblad apirebs

TamaSis dawyebas.

_ kaxa kalaZes Zalian unda,

rom damoukidebeli TamaSi iTamaSos,

magram politikuri wona

amis saSualebas ar aZlevs. is

damoukidebeli TamaSis warmarTvas

verc axla SeZlebs da verc _

momavalSi. Tavis droze kalaZe

rusuli proeqti iyo. es is periodia,

roca moskovi saqarTvelos

xelisuflebasTan raRacebs

ver aTanxmebda. berluskoni,

romelsac kalaZe kargad icnobs,

trampTan axloblobda. berluskoni

robi julianis Zmakaca, es

ukanaskneli ki mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi

trampis garemocvaSi

warmoudgenlad gavleniani iyo.

ukrainis ambebis gamo robi juliani

CamoSorda politikas. amis

Semdeg proeqti kaxa kalaZe ruseTma

daxura. Tumca proeqtis

daxurvamdec bevri veraferi gaakeTa

Tbilisis merma. is silvio

berluskonim politikurad axlosac

ki ar gaikara. is dRes dar-

Ca politikuri kriSis armqone

pirovnebad. am rolSi ginda qalaqis

meri iyavi da ginda _ premieri,

is saqarTveloSi aranairi

politikuri wonis matarebeli

ar aris.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom is

ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg veras-

dros wava?

_ imisTvis, rom biZina ivaniSvili

gamoiwvios, kaxa kalaZes

Zalian myari garantiebi unda

hqondes.

_ ra garantiebi?

_ ra garantiebi da is, rom

„qarTuli ocnebis” lideri mas

problemebs ver Seuqmnis.

_ arCeul mers ra problemebi

SeiZleba Seuqmnas arafor-

malurma mmarTvelma?

_ Zalian bevri problemis Seqmna

SeuZlia. ramis mogoneba da

SeTxzva sul ar aris saWiro. amisTvis

sakmarisia Tbilisis meriidan

dokumentaciis amoReba.

erTi kviris manZilze meriidan

erTi vagoni kompromatebis gamogoreba

SeiZleba. imisTvis, rom

ajanyebul kalaZes ivaniSvilma

problemebi ar Seuqmnas, mas mokavSire

an ruseTis politikur

elitaSi unda hyavdes, an _ vaS-

`mTlad asec araa, rom ruseTs CvenTvis aRar scalia. moskovi saqarTvelos

uyuradRebod ar datovebda, magram ruseTis roli da gavlenebi Zalian

Sesustda mTel msoflioSi. am fonze saeWvo gaxda is roli, romelic

èvropul saqarTvelos~ aq unda eTamaSa. axla biZina ivaniSvili SeiZleba,

imazec ki wavides, rom koaliciur mTavrobaze Tqvas uari. is instrumenti,

rasac saxelad èvropuli saqarTvelo~ hqvia, misTvis, savaraudod, didi

zianis momtani iqneba~

ingtonSi. mas aseTi mokavSireebi

ar hyavs, amitom is ivaniSvilis

winaaRmdeg ver wava. dRes mas

amisi resursi, ubralod, ar gaaCnia.

_ Tqveni saubridan gamomdinare

Tu vimsjelebT, umravle-

sobas isev „ocneba” moipovebs.

parlamentSi Sesvlis Sansebi

romel opoziciur partiebs

aqvT?

_ parlamentSi ramdenime opoziciuri

partia Seva, magram ma-

Ti mxridan saubrebi imaze, rom

Cveni lideri iqneba momavali

premieri, es cota sasaciloa.

aseTi ambicia roca gaqvs, amomrCevlis

45% mainc unda giWerdes

mxars. am partiebs ki 1 da

2%-iani mxardaWera aqvT. biZina

ivaniSvilma bolo periodSi mniSvnelovnad

Secvala damokidebuleba

nino burjanaZis mimarT.

„erTiani saqarTvelo _ demokratiul

moZraobas” axal parlamentSi

aucileblad vixilavT. wina

wlebSi „qarTuli ocnebis” lideri

amis kategoriuli winaaRmdegi

iyo.

_ 2016 wels ivaniSvilma yve-

laferi gaakeTa imisTvis, rom

burjanaZe da alasania parla-

mentSi ar Sesuliyvnen.

_ axla burjanaZe aucileblad

Seva. rogorc ukve giTxariT,

„ocnebis” liderma am

partiis mimarT damokidebuleba

Secvala, aqamde ver itanda maT.

_ ratom ver itanda?

_ amis mizezi ar vici. samagierod,

kargad vici, rom burjanaZe

Sav siaSi hyavda ivaniSvils

Seyvanili da mediiT misi gamoCena

akrZaluli iyo. xelisufleb-

ìvaniSvilisTvis axla yvelaze mniSvnelovani

vaSingtonis poziciaa. dReisTvis imis Tqma

SemiZlia, rom saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT

damokidebuleba mkveTrad Secvlilia. arCevnebis

Semdgom mRelvarebas dasavleTi mxars ar

dauWers. es mas niSnavs, rom arCevnebis Sedegebs

opozicia ar gaaprotestebs~

is kontrolirebadi media nino

burjanaZes ar ekareboda.

_ es Savi sia marTla arse-

bobs, Tu pirobiTad TqviT?

_ marTla arsebobs. ivaniSvils

iq misTvis miuRebeli politikosebi

hyavs Seyvanili. aseTi

Savi sia hqondaT SevardnaZesa da

saakaSvils. am ukanasknelis mma-

Tvelobis bolo periodSi ivaniSvili

Sav siaSi iyo Seyvanili.

misi saxelis xseneba televiziiT

ar SeiZleboda. ivaniSvilma, Tavis

mxriv, ase dabloka burjanaZe,

romlis mimarTac axla damokidebuleba

mniSvnelovnad Seecvala.

_ ratom Seecvala damokide-

buleba burjanaZeze?

_ rogorc Cans, man sariskod

CaTvala politikuri sivrcidan

prorusuli segmentis mTlianad

amogdeba.

_ prorusuli segmenti rog-

or unda amoegdo? „patriotTa

aliansi” gverdiT ar hyavs?

_ ivaniSvili dRes seriozulad

vaWrobs „patriotTa aliansis”

arseboba-ararsebobaze. ra-

Rac momentSi „qarTuli ocnebis”

liders „patriotTa aliansis”

arseboba ar awyobs.

_ aqamde xom awyobda?

_ aqamde sxva viTareba iyo.

_ axla ra xdeba?

_ „patriotTa aliansi” amerikelebSi

seriozul gaRizianebas

iwvevs. ivaniSvils, Tavis mxriv,

ar unda vaSingtonis ganawyeneba,

amitomac vaWrobs am Zalis arseboba-ararsebobiT.

amerikis gaRizianebas

erideba, magram sariskod

miiCnevs politikuri sivrcidan

prorusuli segmentis mTlianad

amogdebas. amitom Secvala

damokidebuleba burjanaZis mimarT.

_ burjanaZe amerikelebs ar

aRizianebs?

_ ara. is, zogadad, ar gaxlavT

gamaRizianebeli fenomeni. ivaniSvili

cdilobs, rom misi partia

„patriotTa aliansis” ro-

lze Caanacvlos.

_ moskovi amas rogor Sexvde-

ba?

_ ar vici. Tavad ivaniSvils es

ar ainteresebs, radgan mas rusuli

gavlenebis ukve aRar eSinia.

aRar eSinia imitom, rom kremlis

gavlena saqarTveloze seriozulad

Sesustda. „lelosTan” raime

kombinacias kategoriulad

gamovricxav. didi mcdelobebis

miuxedavad, ivaniSvilsa da maT

Soris saerTo enis gamonaxva ver

moxerxda.

_ wina interviuSi miTxariT,

rom ivaniSvili maT parlamentSi

5 adgils sTavazobs, isini ki 6-

s iTxoveno.

_ ase iyo, maT saerTo enis

gamonaxva ver moaxerxes. ivaniSvilma

maT mxolod imis ufleba

misca, rom politikaSi Setenon

is fuli, rac „TibisiSi” iSoves.

mokled, parlamentSi Seva ramdenime

partia. ivaniSvilma ganacxada,

rom „ocnebis” zeda zRvari

iqneba 50%. amis iqiT mmarTveli

partia ar wava. es Zalian sarisko

iqneba.

_ irakli kobaxiZe ambobs,

rom 60%-s aiReben.

_ irakli kobaxiZem SeiZleba,

bevri rame Tqvas, magram es arafers

niSnavs. ivaniSvils diplomatiur

wreebTan araerTi Sexvedra

hqonda, sadac imaze saubrobda,

rom „qarTuli ocneba” arCevnebze

50%-s aiRebs. is absoluturi

umravlesobiT rom cdilobdes

mosvlas, am Temas gaaJRerebda

da Seecdeboda gaego, ras

ityoda amaze dasavleTi. aSkaraa,

rom is Tamasis am doneze awevas

sariskod miiCnevs da 50%-iani

Sedegis dadebas fiqrobs.

_ dRes qveyanaSi mTavari

opoziciuri Zala „nacionaluri

moZraobaa”. is ra doziT Seva

parlamentSi?

_ „nacionalebi” parlamentSi

msuyed ver Sevlen. es partia miSa

saakaSvilzea damokidebuli, saakaSvili

ki dRes amerikisTvis

misaRebi figura ar aris. es gaxlavT

calsaxa. Tu es ase araa,

gamovides maSin saakaSvili da

Riad Tqvas, rom amerikis politikuri

elita mas mxars uWers.

dRes es adamiani bevrs laparakobs,

rom saqarTveloSi Camova,

gadmova da a. S. es aris politikuri

nonsensi. yofili prezidentebi

damoukideblad ver

wyveten dabrunebis sakiTxs. es

sakmaod seriozuli monitoringis

produqti gaxlavT.

_ anu yvelaferi isev ise

iqneba, arc miSa Camova da biZ-

inac Tavis adgilze darCeba?

_ 2020 wels araferi Seicvleba.

es gadawyvetili sakiTxia.

arsebul viTarebaSi aq dasavle-

Ti areulobasa da kataklizmebs

ar dauSvebs. rac ar unda ilaparakos

opoziciam, rom arCevnebis

Sedegebs gaaprotestebs, vimeoreb:

am process dasavleTi mxars

ar dauWers. 2021 wels ki seriozuli

cvlilebebi iqneba. didi

albaTobiT, vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebi Catardeba.

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giorgi abaSiZe


2 otombers erovnuli valuta 25 wlis gaxda. am saiubileo

TariRs lari, lamis, istoriuli gaufasurebiT Sexvda. marTalia,

„ocnebis” xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi imaSi sagangaS-

os verafers xedaven, rom erTi dolari bolo dros sam larze

meti Rirs da amboben, lari aseTi myari arasodes yofilao,

magram yvela vxvdebiT, rom Tu ase gagrZelda, isedac daqceu-

li qarTuli ekonomika kidev ufro daiqceva. am daqcevas ki

qveyanaSi siRaribis gazrda mohyveba. erTi sityviT, TiToeuli

Cvenganis socialur-ekonomikuri momavali gaurkvevelia.

ratom kvdeba

am fonze damaimedebel prognozebs

verc eqspertebi akeTeben.

ai, magaliTad, demur giorxeliZe

ambobs, erTi dolari male

SesaZloa, 4 laric gaxdeso.

saerTod, erovnuli valutis

gaufasurebas mxolod obieqturi

ki ara, subieqturi mizezebic

aqvs, Tumca sanam am mizezebs

SevexebiT, laris 25-wlian

istorias gadavavloT Tvali:

rogorc aRvniSneT, lari mimoqcevaSi

zustad 25 wlis winaT,

anu 1995 wlis 2 oqtombers

gaeSva. saqarTvelos erovnulma

bankma axali erovnuli valutis

kursi martivad gansazRvra, anu

kupons eqvsi nuli Camoacila da

dolaris fasic, avtomaturad,

1.3 lars gautolda.

sityvam moitana da kuponi

saqarTvelos droebiTi valuta

iyo, romlis gamoSvebac dRis

wesrigSi afxazeTis omis dros,

e. i., 1993 wels dadga _ imdroindeli

mZime socialuri mdgomareoba

umetesobas kargad gvaxsovs,

amitomac detalebs aRar

SevexebiT da mxolod imas vityviT,

rom afxazeTSi mimdinare

saomari moqmedebebis paralelurad,

kremlma saqarTvelos

sabWoTa fulis mowodeba Seuwyvita.

oficialuri Tbilisi iZulebuli

gaxda, droebiTi valuta

_ kuponi gamoeSva, romelic

dabadebisTanave gaufasurebisTvis

iyo ganwiruli. male

gaufasurebam iseTi saxe miiRo,

rom maSindeli mTavrobis ekonomikuri

gundi iZulebuli gaxda,

1 000 000-iani nominalis kuponi

daebeWda. ase gaxda TiToeuli

Cvengani „milioneri”, Tumca

am milionebs Calis fasic ar

hqonda...

ai, swored am „milionerebis”

qveyanaSi axali erovnuli valuta,

anu lari Semodis mimoqceva-

Si.

3 wlis ganmavlobaSi gapartaxebuli

ekonomikis mqone qveynis

erovnuli valuta kurss

TiTqmis ucvlelad inarCunebda

da 1.30-ze qvemoTac iyo Camosuli.

1995 wlis 23 dekembridan

1996 wlis 6 ianvramde lari arsebobis

istoriaSi yvelaze myari

iyo _ oficialuri kursi 1.23-s

Seadgenda, Tumca 1998 wels 19

noembridan 10 dekembramde, anu,

sul raRac, 3 kviraSi kursi 1.44-

dan 2.15-mde (49%-iT) gaufasurda.

amis mizezad aziis finansuri

krizisi dasaxelda, romelmac

ruseTis imdroindel prezident

boris elcins defoltis

gamocxadeba aiZula. laris maSindel

gaufasurebaSi Tavisi

roli panikamac Seasrula da

1996 wlis bolos, rogorc qar-

Tuli beWduri mediis arqivi mowmobs,

erTi dolari ukve 1.80

lari Rirda.

laris gaufasureba momaval,

1999 welsac gagrZelda da naax-

22

alwlevs erovnuli valuta, dolarTan

mimarTebiT, 2.4510-mde

gaufasurda.

ise, Tavisi arsebobis ganmavlobaSi

lari yvelaze myari 2000

wlis martSi iyo _ erTi dolari

1.93 Rirda. sxvaTa Soris,

„vardebis revoluciis” Semdeg

saqarTvelos ekonomika 11%-iT

gaizarda, Tumca amis miuxedavad,

erovnuli valuta ar gamyarebula.

is ki arada, demur

giorxeliZe laris maSindel

met-nakleb simyares xelovnurs

uwodebs, Tumca amaze qvemoT

visaubroT...

2008 wlis agvistos omamde

erTi TviT adre erTi dolari

1.3960 laramde Rirda. es kursi,

1998 wlis oqtombris Semdeg,

rekorduli gaxldaT. ucnauria,

magram larma simyare agvistos

omis Semdegac SeinarCuna, Tumca

2008 wlis noemberSi gaufasureba

daiwyo da erTi dolari

1.65 laramde avida.

agvistos oms msoflio ekonomikuri

krizisic mohyva. paralelurad,

qarTuli opoziciac

gaaqtiurda _ yvelas gvaxsovs e.

w. karvebis qalaqi rusTavelze.

am samTvianma protestma da, rogorc

ityvian, gare faqtorebmac,

Tavisi qna da Cvenma ekonomikam

ukusvla daiwyo, anu 3.7%-

iT Semcirda. Tumca ucnauria,

rom yvelafer amis fonze lari

simyares met-naklebad inarCunebda,

kerZod, mxolod sami Te-

TriT gaufasurda. laris simyaris

SesanarCuneblad maSin

erovnul banks intervenciis gakeTeba

53-jer mouwia, ris gamoc

savaluto rezervebi 119 mln.

dolariT Semcirda.

amasobaSi, „nacionaluri

moZraoba” xelisuflebaSi „ocnebam”

Caanacvla da... 2013 wlis

bolomde laris kursi 1.67-ian

niSnulze meryeobda...

2014 wlidan laris dacema

iwyeba. saerTo jamSi, erovnu-

li valuta, Tavisi arsebobis

ganmavlobaSi, 121%-iT gaufasurda,

Tumca demur giorxeliZe

amaSi gansakuTrebuls ve-

rafers xedavs da ambobs:

_ laris kursis didi amplitudiT

TamaSi, rac Zalian cudia,

weliwadSi ramdenjerme xdeba.

_ SeiZleba, magram Tavisi 25-

wliani arsebobis ganmavlobaSi

erovnuli valuta, dameT-

anxmeT, aseTi gaufasurebuli

arasodes yofila.

_ diax, amplituda, anu zeviTqveviT

TamaSi, saerTo jamSi,

Zalian maRalia, magram weRandeli

Tqmisa ar iyos, amaSi gansakuTrebuli

araferia.

_ damisabuTeT, ratom?

_ jer obieqtur mizezebze

visaubroT.

_ anu pandemiaze?

_ sxvaTa Soris, evrosTan mimarTebiT

dRes dolaric gaufa-

gvemuqreba Tu ara SimSili

da ra eSveleba daqceul

qarTul ekonomikas?

surebulia. mokled, mTel msoflioSi

cudi garemoa, ekonomikebi

umZimes mdgomareobaSia da,

praqtikulad, recesiaa. am situaciis

daZleva, rogorc Cans,

raRac doziT, jerjerobiT, mxolod

CineTma SeZlo, Tumca

wlis bolos gamoCndeba, yvelaferi

es ramdenad myaria. aSS-

Si ki situacia 3 noembris arCevnebzea

damokidebuli, anu esec

garkveul molodins qmnis. evropaSic

Zalian mZime viTarebaa

da am fonze saqarTvelo, romelsac

Zalian susti ekonomika

aqvs, karg mdgomareobaSi, cxadia,

ver iqneba.

_ xelisufleba laris ga-

ufasurebis erT-erT mizezad,

pandemiis paralelurad, ar-

Cevnebsac asaxelebs. asea?

_ arCevnebi saSinao saqmea,

amitom mas verafers davabralebT.

saerTod, Camouyalibebel

qveynebSi arCevnebi yovel-

Tvis destabilizaciis wyaroa.

dalagebul qveyanaSi ki arCevnebi

mxolod kadrebis cvlilebaa

da meti araferi.

_ e. i., arCevnebs laris ga-

ufasurebasTan kavSiri ar aqvs?

_ diax, ar aqvs, magram arsebobs

erTi realuri mizezi,

rasac xelisufleba ignorirebas

ukeTebs. sxvaTa Soris, erTerTi

„garCevis” dros es Tema

baton biZinasTan davayene, magram

amaze misi momavali finansuri

gundic azrze ar iyo.

_ ivaniSvilis winaSe ra sakiTxi

daayeneT, romlis ignor-

irebasac xelisufleba axdens?

_ es makroekonomikuri fundamenturi

problemaa, anu laris,

e. i., fulis masa da ekonomikis

moculoba, romelsac es

fuli unda emsaxurebodes, erTmaneTisgan

xuTjer gansxvavdeba.

martivad rom vTqvaT, ojaxis

xuTjer met moTxovnas xuTjer

naklebi fuli rogor unda moemsaxuros?

mokled, lari cotaa

da, magaliTad, gadasaxadebis

dro rom modis, moTxovna izrdeba

da kursic icvleba. amas-

Tan, msxvili importiorebidan

zogs kontraqti gazze aqvs,

zogs _ sxva rameze da axali kontraqtis

dadeba rom dasWirdaT,

dolaris kursic saswrafod

gaizarda. mokled, es daubalansebeli

situacia laris kursis

uzarmazar TamaSs ganapirobebs.

sxvaTa Soris, msoflios erT

qveyanaSic ki araa, rom ekonomikas

xuTjer naklebi fuli emsaxurebodes

da es Tanafardoba

yvelgan TiTqmis erTi-erTzea.

es problema CvenTan gadaulaxavia

da mniSvneloba ar aqvs,

erovnuli bankis prezidenti vin

iqneba. garda amisa, laris kursisTvis

usustesi ekonomikac

udidesi problemaa.

_ Cven usustesi ki ara,

ekonomika, mgoni, saerTod ar

gagvaCnia.

_ ekonomika ki gvaqvs, magram

es ekonomika susti, araefeqtiani

da dabali Sromisnayofierebis

mqonea. ekonomikisTvis

`qarTul ekonomikas mdgradoba aqvs dakarguli

da yvelaferi erT qalaqSi, anu TbilisSi

araefeqtianadaa koncentrirebuli. sxva, maT

Soris, adamianuri resursi ar gamoiyeneba.

arada, am dros kerZo bankebSi, depozitebis

saxiT, miliardobiT finansuri resursi devs. es

kerZo seqtoris fulia, romelic ekonomikaSi ar

midis da gvesmis neoliberaluri `tylapo~

saubari, - ucxouri investiciebi, ucxouri

investiciebio, TiTqos amaze ramea damokidebuli~

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erovnuli valuta?!

erT-erTi yvelaze mniSvnelovani

e. w. resursebis alokaciaa,

rasac saqarTveloSi yuradRebas

ar aqceven.

_ „resursebis alokacia”,

martivad rom miTrxaT, ra aris,

batono demur?

_ rogorc materialuri, aseve

finansuri da adamianuri resursebis

drosa da sivrceSi ganawileba.

mokled, qarTul ekonomikas

mdgradoba aqvs dakarguli

da yvelaferi erT qalaq-

Si, anu TbilisSi araefeqtianadaa

koncentrirebuli. sxva,

maT Soris, adamianuri resursi

ar gamoiyeneba. arada, am dros

kerZo bankebSi, depozitebis saxiT,

miliardobiT finansuri resursi

devs. es kerZo seqtoris

fulia, romelic ekonomikaSi ar

midis da gvesmis neoliberaluri

„tylapo” saubari, _ ucxouri

investiciebi, ucxouri investiciebio,

TiTqos amaze ramea

damokidebuli.

_ Tu komerciul bankebSi

milionobiT lari devs, es

Tanxa ekonomikaSi ratom ar

midis, batono demur?

_ bankebma SesaniSnavad ician,

rom aseTi makrogaremo kargi

araa, anu riskebi didia, amitomac

igive fuls aravis aZleven.

saerTod, saqarTveloSi araferi

araferi Rirs.

_ es rogor?

_ ai, magaliTad, is mamulebi,

rac Cvens fantastikur sofleb-

Sia, evropasa an aSS-Si asi aTasobiT

dolari Rirs.

_ diax, samwuxaroa, rom saqa-

rTveloSi miwas fasi ar aqvs.

_ fasi mxolod miwas ki ara,

arafers aqvs da, Sesabamisad,

miwa sagarantio resursad ar

gamodgeba. saqarTveloSi fuli

bankebis mets aravis aqvs, amitom

fuli Zviri da xelmiuwvdomelia.

banki ki Wkviania da

soflis meurneobis ganviTareba

Tu socialuri problemebi

ar ainteresebs da mxolod sakuTar

mogebaze muSaobs.

_ batono demur, yvela is

fundamenturi problema, raze-

dac axla saubrobT, 25 welia,

arsebobs, Tumca lari aseTi gaufasurebuli

arasodes yofi-

la. Sesabamisad, Cndeba logikuri

kiTxva, _ erovnul valu-

tas axla ra emarTeba?

_ albaT, gaxsovT, roca lari

erT niSnulze iyo da es yvelas

uxaroda.

_ diax, maxsovs.

_ roca saqmeze vsaubrob, simpaTia-antipaTia

ar gamaCnia, anu

imis Tqma minda, rom maSin is

kursi xelovnuri iyo.

_ anu?

_ rogorc giTxariT, saimiso

ekonomika ar gagvaCnia, rom er-

Ti dolari 1,42 lari Rirdes.

Tu ase gvinda, SegviZlia vTqvaT,

rom erTi dolari 50 TeTri

Rirs, magram es qarTuli ekonomikisTvis

saboloo wertilis

dasma iqneba.

_ SeiZleba, magram es xelov-

`saqarTveloSi fuli bankebis mets aravis aqvs, amitom fuli

Zviri da xelmiuwvdomelia. banki ki Wkviania da soflis

meurneobis ganviTareba Tu socialuri problemebi ar

ainteresebs da mxolod sakuTar mogebaze muSaobs~

nuri kursi xalxisTvis misaRe-

bi Tundac imitom iyo, rom

produqti iafi Rirda...

_ iafi ar iyo.

_ aba?

_ yvelafers fardobiTi fasi

aqvs, anu produqti iafi arc

maSin iyo, magram xelovnurad

SeCerebuli kursis gamo lari

ase ar TamaSobda. am xelovnuri

politikis erTaderTi dadebiTi

momenti swored es gaxldaT da

meti araferi. sxvaTa Soris, 2007

wels saqarTveloSi CvenTvis rekorduli

_ 2 miliard 173 milionamde

investicia _ Semovida,

magram ar icodnen, am fulisTvis

ra eqnaT da amoiRes, rac

Secdoma iyo.

_ Secdoma ratom iyo?

_ roca fulis masa xelovnurad

Cerdeba, es, erTi mxriv,

stabilizacias uwyobs xels, magram,

meore mxriv, mxolod importiors

emsaxureba da biznesisTvis

aRar rCeba. yvelafer

aman ekonomikis ganviTareba,

cxadia, SezRuda, arada, swori

politikis SemTxvevaSi, SeiZleboda,

dRes orjer ukeTesi

ekonomika gvqonoda...

rac Seexeba laris ase swraf

gaufausurebas, erTmaneTs bevri

ram daemTxva, kerZod, msoflio

situaciis cvlileba da

ganusazRvrelobebi, anu cudi

molodinebi... sxvaTa Soris,

roca trendi garkveulia, valutis

kursi prognozirebas eqvemdebareba.

amitomac Cems Zvel

interviuebs Tu gaixsenebT, jer

kidev maSin vambobdi, rom erTi

dolari sami-oTxi laris farglebSi

imeryevebda. amis gamo

erTi ambavi atexes, _ ras ambobo?

magram es prognozi emociiT

ki ara, imis mixedviT gavakeTe,

rogoric ekonomikis moZraobaa.

saerTod, ar SeiZleba,

bizness 12, 16 da 18-procentian

sesxs aZlevde da am dros ekonomikis

ganviTareba gindodes.

legalur bizness amxela procentis

gadaxda ar SeuZlia. biznesma

amxela procenti rom

gadaixados da sxva saxelmwifo

`CvenTan fulad-sakredito politika ki

"spekulantebsa" da msxvil sabanko seqtorzea

morgebuli. erTni valutis kursiT

manipulireben, meoreni ki maRali saprocento

ganakveTiT ver ZRebian~

valdebulebebic dafaros, warmogidgeniaT,

ramxdela mogeba

unda hqondes? aseTi legaluri

biznesi saqarTveloSi ki ara,

msoflioSi ar arsebobs! amitomac

saqarTveloSi ekonomikis

75% CrdilSia, anu aRuricxavia.

saerTod, iciT, Crdilovani

ekonomika ras niSnavs?

_ ras?

_ iuridiuli piri saqmianobas

eweva, magram ar aRricxavs.

_ es xom, minimum, kanondar-

Rvevaa?

_ diax, yvelaferi aRuricxavad

keTdeba... ise, Cems gamocdilebas

Tu endobiT, adamianebis

yvela jgufs, romelic xelisuflebaSi

modis, erTnairi

seni emarTeba _ smenadobas, xilvadobas,

realobis aRqmas kargavs

da TviTkmayofili xdeba.

_ mokled, batono demur,

erTmniSvnelovnad ambobT, rom

erTi dolari male oTxi lari

eRireba?

_ diax, es gardauvalia.

_ erTi dolari oTxi lari

arCevnebamde gaxdeba Tu axal

wlamde?

_ arCevnebs, weRandeli

Tqmisa ar iyos, mniSvneloba ar

aqvs. yvelaferi imazea damokidebuli,

qveynis gareT, pirvel

rigSi, aSS-Si movlenebi rogor

ganviTardeba.

***

erovnul valutas damaimedebel

momavals, demur giorxeliZis

msgavsad, verc ekonomikis

mecnierebaTa doqtori nika

Sengelia uwinaswarmetyvelebs.

amasTan, Sengelia situaciis

Sesacvlelad aucileblad miiCnevs

axali teqnologiebis danergvasa

da biofarmacevtikis

ganviTarebas. yvelafer amisTvis

ki kreditia saWiro, romlis

aRebac saqarTveoSi Zalian

rTulia. kreditis aRebis sirTules

nika Sengelia xelovnur

problemas uwodebs:

„dRes iafi kreditis Tema

mTel msoflioSi TiTqmis yvelganaa

mogvarebuli: evropaSi

didi raodenobis kreditis aRe-

ba kompaniebs TiTqmis nulTan

miaxloebul procentSi SeuZliaT.

aSS-Si ki trampma fss (federaluri

sarezervo sistema)

aiZula, saprocento ganakveTi

TiTqmis nulamde daeyvana. iaffasiani

kreditis sakiTxi aseve

mogvarebulia iaponiaSi, CineT-

Si, koreasa da, saerTod, yvelgan,

sadac sworad aqvT warmodgenil-gaazrebuli

fulad-sakredito

politikis daniSnulebis

arsi, rogorc investirebisa

da ekonomikuri aqtivobis finansirebis

instrumenti.

CvenTan fulad-sakredito

politika ki „spekulantebsa” da

msxvil sabanko seqtorzea morgebuli.

erTni valutis kursiT

manipulireben, meoreni ki maRali

saprocento ganakveTiT ver

ZRebian.

Tu Cven fulad-sakredito

politikas ekonomikur ganvi-

Tarebaze Zireulad ar SemovabrunebT

da mas ekonomikis ganviTarebis

instrumentad ar vaqcevT,

araferi gveSveleba.

sakvirvelia, pandemiamde mTavrobis

ekonomikuri gundi romel

ekonomikur zrdaze saubrobda,

rodesac qveynis soflis

meurneobas mosaxleobis elementaruli

gamokvebac ar SeuZlia

da sakvebi produqtebis 70%-ze

meti importirebulia?!

am ubedurebasTan erTad,

verafriT movicileT sakadro

politikidan nepotizmi _ saxelmwifo

uwyebebi yovlad arakompetenturi

kadrebiTaa gada-

Wedili da swored maTi TaosnobiT,

wlebis ganmavlobaSi, ekonomika

da laris kursi, ZiriTadad,

turizmis seqtorsa da emigrantebis

Sromis amaraa mitovebuli...

laris kursTan dakavSirebuli

molodini kvlav negatiuria,

rac mniSvnelovani da yuradsaRebi

faqtori gaxlavT. erovnuli

valutis kursis zrda pirdapir

moqmedebs fasebis gaZvirebasa

da inflaciur procesebze,

am mxriv regulatoris mier

gadadgmuli nabijebi ki, praqtikulad,

uSedegoa”, _ acxadebs

nika Sengelia, romlis vrcel

werils qarTuli analitikuri

portali „nacion.ge” aqveynebs.

***

erTi sityviT, erovnuli valutisa

da qarTuli ekonomikis

momavali erTnairad bundovania.

am fonze „ocneba” miRwevebsa da

warmatebebze saubrobs da imazec

Tvals xuWavs, rom qveyanaSi

yoveldRe ufro da ufro meti

adamiani kargavs isedac mcireSemosavlian

samsaxurs da ufro da

ufro meti adamiani rCeba elementaruli

sakvebis gareSe. es

„siraqlemis poza” kargs rom

arafers mogvitans, TavisTavad

cxadia da isic cxadia, rom 200

an Tundac 300-lariani daxmareba

xalxs ver daapurebs. hoda,

sanam win, warsulSi, e. i., 90-ian

wlebSi davbrunebulvarT da

pursa Tu sxva produqtebze rigebi

gaCenila, droa, gamosavlis

moZebna daviwyoT. gamosavali ki

aucileblad moiZebna, moiZebna

Tundac imitom, rom aqsiomaa: ar

arsebobs situacia, saidanac gamosavali

ar arsebobs!

23


àr gavCerdebi, sanam

„Sewydes eqimebze Zaladoba da

Tamar rostiaSvili

terori!” _ „ingoroyvas sauniver-

577 10 07 06

siteto kliniki”s s eqimi-travmatologi,

daviT subeliani, ufle-

damcvelebs daxmarebas sTxovs. daxmarebas iTxovs aseve misi

pacientis deda, romelic sajarod acxadebs, rom bednieri

iqneba, Tu eqims licenzias daakargvinebs.

gainteresebT, ra moxda?

jer Tavad eqims movusminoT:

_ minda, davafiqsiro Cemi

mkafio azri da Sesabamisi

struqturebisgan saTanado reagireba

moviTxovo: 30 seqtembers,

„ingoroyvas sauniversiteto

klinikaSi”, bavSvTa mim-

Reb ganyofilebaSi, Semoyvanil

iqna 4 wlis bavSvi travmis diagnoziT.

bavSvs axlda orive

mSobeli, romelTac Svilis

aranairi piradobis damadasturebeli

dokumenti ar hqondaT.

cxadia, bavSvi miviReT,

magram agresia mSoblebis mxridan

mimRebi ganyofilebis medpersonalis

mimarT daiwyo

klinikaSi Semosvlis pirvelive

wuTebidan, rodesac registratorma

bavSvis piradoba moiTxova,

raTa gaxsniliyo samedicino

istoria da dawyebuliyo

samedicino kvlevebi, rogorc

es zogadad klinikis Sida ganawesiT

aris gaTvaliswinebuli.

mSoblebis mxridan yovelive

aman gamoiwvia agresia, _ ra

dros istoriis gaxsnaa?! bavSvs

xeli aqvs motexili, droze gadaiReT

rentgenograma! da Semdeg

muqaris teqstebi. yovelive

amis mere, me, rogorc klinikis

morige travmatologs, mikav-

Sirdeba mimRebi ganyofilebis

eqimi da meubneba, rom 4 wlis

bavSvia moyvanili winamxris

travmiT, gamoxatulia deformacia

da, savaraudod, motexilia,

gvWirdeba Tqveni konsultacia.

pasuxad vuTxari, rom var

axalnaoperacieb avadmyofTan,

vakeTeb Sexvevas, magram Tqven

amasobaSi gadaiReT rentgeni.

radgan motexiloba da deformaciaa,

SeiZleba saoperacioc

iyos. me gadavugzavni klinikis

mowveul konsultants, bavSvTa

travmatologs da mkurnalobis

taqtikas ganvsazRvravT-meTqi.

CemTan zaris ganxorcielebidan

zustad 12 wuTSi bavSvTa travmatologisgan

pasuxi miviRe,

rom pacientis Zalian patara

asakidan da motexilobis tipidan

gamomdinare, ar iyo rekomendebuli

operaciuli mkurnaloba

da konservatiuli mkurnalobiT

unda wavsulviyaviT.

am informaciis miRebisTanave

Sevdivar samanipulacioSi, sadac

mxvdeba bavSvi da agresiuli

deda, romelic meubneba:

„sad xarT amdeni xani?! ratom

moseirnob eqimi travmatologi

avadmyofTan ase arxeinad?!”

roca Sevxede, gaRizianebuli

iyo da metic, _ araadekvaturi.

mSvidad movuwode, rom bavSvis

interesebidan gamomdinare gasuliyo

samanipulaciodan, ra-

Ta moeca CemTvis muSaobis sa-

Sualeba da mere gagverkvia misi

pretenziebi, razedac saSineli

agresiiT mipasuxa, rom mas

ufleba hqonda, bavSvTan dar-

Ceniliyo. darCa kidec da mTeli

manipulaciis ganmavlobaSi

damkioda Tavze, sruli am sityvis

mniSvnelobiT. ramdenjerme

movuwode mis meuRles,

rom daemSvidebina igi an gaeyvana

samanipulaciodan, magram

amaod. memuqreboda sityvebiT:

„ici, me vin var? ici, Sen ras

gizam?” da a. S., lanZRavda medpersonals.

mokled, bavSvs

TabaSiri davade, yvela manipulacia

Cavutare, miveci daniSnuleba

da meore dRes vigeb,

rom deda socialuri qselebiT

agrZelebs Cems diskreditacias,

saSinel raRacebs da rac

mTavaria, tyuilebs wers. me

xmamaRla da sajarod vacxadeb,

rom Tu am adamianma sajarod

ar moixada bodiSi, kanonis sruli

simkacriT pasuxs agebs sasamarTlos

winaSe Cemi diskreditaciisTvis.

„eqimTa uflebebis

dacvis organizaciasa” da advokatebs

ukve mivmarTe.

„qronika+~, bunebrivia, meore

mxaris poziciiTac dainteresda.

„agresiuli” deda aRmoCnda

Cveni yofili respondenti,

evelina Coxeli, romel-

ic ramdenime wlis winaT Tavis

damsaqmebel „humana jorjias”

sasamarTloSi uCioda. Cvens

respondents Tavisi istoria

sakmaod mkafiod hqonda gad-

mocemuli laivSi, sadac eqim

daviT subelianTan konfliq-

tis debatebi Semdegnairad iyo

mowodebuli:

_ 30 seqtembers, Ramis 11 saaTze,

maTem, Cemma mesame Svilma,

xeli moitexa. saswrafo daxmarebis

brigada ar gamomiZaxebia,

Tavad waviyvane klinikaSi e.

w. TviTdinebiT. Tavidan „amTel

hospitalSi” mivedi, magram iq

cxelebis centri aRmoCnda da

amitom „ingoroyvas klinikaSi”

gadamamisamarTes. am ukanasknelSi

SesvlisTanave momTxoves

bavSvis piradobis damadasturebeli

mowmoba. SeiZleba,

me var daudevari, magram ar

meguleba mSobeli, romelic

aseT kritikul situciaSi,

rodesac bavSvi xels itexs, iwyebs

saxlSi sabuTebis qeqvas.

avuxseni personals, rom bavSvis

dabadebis mowmobas aucileblad

movutandi. mainc gadavreke

saxlSi da bavSvis piradi

nomeri Cemma ufrosma Svilma

mikarnaxa. ase da amrigad,

pirovneba identificirda, rom

ìs eqimi saTrevi

da gasaxevi iyo

Suaze, magram Cemi

policieli qmari

xom ar iZaladebda

masze?!~

Cemi Svili namdvilad saqarTvelos

moqalaqe iyo, anu es informacia

klinikas mivawode.

ubralod, Tavidan rom gadmomilages

„ingoroyvas klinikaSi”

10-dan 15 furceli, romelic

unda Semevso, vTxove, rom jer

bavSvisTvis gaewiaT pirveladi

daxmareba da Cven arsad gavrbodiT.

amaze pediatri momibrunda

da miTxra, rom ranairi

mSobeli var, bavSvis dabadebis

mowmoba ar momaqvs klinikaSi.

kidev erTxel aRvniSnav, rom

SeiZleba damnaSave var, magram

amis dro ar mqonda. mokled,

„ingoroyvas klinikaSi” misvlis

Semdeg, daaxleobiT, 7 wuTi

vsxedvarT „recefSenSi” da

vavsebT sabuTebs. amis Semdeg

mivdivarT da vakeTebT rentgens

or poziciaze. iq meubnebian,

rom Cems Svils orive sxivis

Zvali aqvs motexili da Tan

aris cTomiTi motexiloba.

deda var da am informaciam

Zalian amanerviula. davbrundiT

„recefSenSi”, sadac aravin

mTavazobs bavSvis palataSi mo-

Tavsebas. motexilobis dros

tkivili sakmaod mwvavea, saku-

Tar Tavze maqvs gamocdili.

vsxdebiT skamze da viwyebT

travmatologis lodins. gadis

20 wuTi, vsxedvarT cTomiTi

motexilobiT. am periodSi

derefanSi dadis qalbatoni,

romelic aris pediatri da komunikaciaSi

ar Semodis arc

CemTan da arc bavSvTan. aravin

arafers gvTavazobs, TiTqos

tkivilis Sedegad Soki ar vi-

Tardebodes. 25 wuTis Semdeg

ukve me moviTxove, rom Cemi 4

wlis bavSvi daewvinaT palata-

Si, imitom rom manamde ijda.

Cemi Txovnis Semdeg bavSvi palataSi

Seiyvanes da am dros

gamoCnda kidec travmatologi.

manamde miTxres, rom eqimi imitom

agvianebda, rom avariaSi

moyolili pacienti miuyvanes,

romelic sicocxlisTvis mniSvnelovani

dazianebebiT iyo. me

Zalian kargad mesmis prioritetebi,

magram CemTvis Cemi

Svili iyo prioriteti da

yovelTvis ase iqneba. vuTxari,

`me aravis vabulingeb, mag sityvebze calke

movTxov axsna-ganmartebas. amas SeiZleba

moyves is, rom man dakargos licenzia da me

viqnebi sruliad bednieri imitom, rom aseTi

eqimi Zalian bevri kargi eqimis saxels afuWebs

da igi ar unda muSaobdes~

rom Tu Tqven ar gyavdaT specialisti,

maSin ratom mimiReT

klinikaSi, gadagemisamarTebineT

sxvagan.

mokled, rodesac travmatologi

gamoCnda, rogorc

mSobelma, vusayvedure, sad iyo

25 wuTis ganmavlobaSi? Cems am

mimarTvaze pirdapir mibrZana, _

gadi, gogo, aqedano! vTxove,

TqvenobiT esaubra CemTan da

„gadi gogo” momarTva CemTvis

miuRebeli iyo. avuxseni, rom me

viyavi misi kolega, razedac

isev miviRe: „gadi aqedan da

damacade muSaobao”. xelis motexiloba

ar aris manipulacia,

romelic gansakuTrebiT sterilur

garemoSi yofnas saWiroebs

da kidev imas, rom mSobelma

datovos 4 wlis bavSvi fizikuri

travmiT. eqims avuxseni,

rom me var iuridiuli warmomadgeneli

_ deda da bavSvs axlavs

aseve iuridiuli warmomadgeneli

_ mama, amitomac Cven

daveswrebiT Cveni Svilis manipulacias-meTqi.

amis Semdeg eqimi-travmatologi

daviT subeliani

micxadebs, rom ar gauwevs

bavSvs samedicino daxmarebas

da sxva nebismier klinikaSi

waiyvaneo. amaze vupasuxe, rom

me Cemi nebiT bavSvs cTomiTi

motexilobiT aqeT-iqiT ar vatareb,

dawereT dasabuTebulad,

Tu ratom ambobT uars,

daxmareba gauwioT 4 wlis bavSvs

motexilobiT da mxolod

amis Semdeg gadaviyvan sxva klinikaSi-meTqi.

am saubris dros

Cemi meuRle, romelic iyo cvlaSi

saburTalos sapatrulo

samsaxurSi, Cem gverdiT imyofeboda.

igi erTaderTxel Caeria

saubarSi da travmatologs

mouwoda, damSvidebuliyo. me

Cems qmars vTxove, rom ar

Careuliyo Cvens konfliqtSi,

radgan vxvdebodi, rom eqimi

provokaciaze modioda. am

dros Semodis pediatri da

meubneba, rom gamoiZaxebs sapatrulo

policias da brals

damdebs, rom me Cems Svils movtexe

xeli. warmoudgenlad mimaCnia

dedamiwis zurgze deda,

romelic Svils ZaliT texs rames.

amaze vuTxari, rom gamoiZaxon

sapatrulo policia da mi-

Civlon. aravis aravin gamouZaxebia,

Cven Soris saubari midoda

igive tonalobaSi, eqimi iyo

akankalebuli da misi gamocxadebidan

10 wuTis Semdeg bavSvs

TabaSiri ar hqonda dadebuli.

rogorc iqna, daado TabaSiri,

Semdeg gavida da daiwyo daniSnulebis

wera. daniSnulebis

weris dros ar damiZaxa, ubralod,

datova furceli magidaze.

me deda var da mainteresebs,

nurofenis siropi rom uweria,

orjer dReSi unda mivce Tu

ramdenjer? wamals xom Tavisi

dozireba aqvs, daniSnulebaSi

ki ar weria, ramdeni mililitri

unda mivce bavSvs. daviT subelians

rom vkiTxe, amixseniT,

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mis bodiSs ar movismen~

ramdeni mililitri unda mivcemeTqi?

momibrunda pediatri da

mipasuxa, rom deda var da unda

vicode, ramdeni mililitri

sWirdeba pataras. amis Semdeg

travmatologi memuqreba, rom

ar icis, ras mizams. amaze meRimeba

da vekiTxebi, rom bavSvs

TabaSiri rodis unda movxsnameTqi?

eqimi midis derefanSi,

ar trialdeba, ar mixsnis arafers,

samagierod, zurgidan maZaxebs,

rom Sen xar Rori da ggonia,

rom moxvedi saRoreSi.

imoqmede ise, rogorc Sen gindao.

paralelurad, pediatri,

romelic zis im magidasTan, sadac

daniSnulebis furcelia

datovebuli, meubneba, rom mama

gabrielis madliT msgavsi Sem-

Txvevebi gimravloT ojaxSio.

arc vici am pediatris kompetencia

da misi profesionalzmi,

magram daaxloebiT 60 wlis

asakis qali iyo, mivubrundi da

veubnebi, rom an deda ar xarT,

an bebia? rogor eubnebiT aseT

mware sityvebs gamwarebul dedas

da ra uflebiT-meTqi?! man

miTxra, rom dawyevlili iqnebi

da es SemTxvevebi mravlad geqnebao.

rac Tavs gadamxda, saxlSi

dabrunebis Semdeg Cems pirad

gverdze aRvwere socialur

qselSi. meore dResve damikav-

Sirda „ingoroyvas klinikis”

administracia. Tavidan vfiqrobdi,

rom ar wavsuliyavi Sexvedraze.

im Rames dilis 6 saaTamde

ar mZinebia da yvela

momenti gavaanalize Cemi klinikaSi

Sesvlisa da gamosvlis _

versad Cemi Tavi ver daviWire,

rom sadme viyavi mtyuani. mere

gadavifiqre da gadavwyvite,

administracias Sevxvedrodi,

raTa viTareba gamerkvia. dRis

12 saaTze Semxvda pediatriuli

samsaxuris ufrosi qeTi barabaZe

da menejeri nino qoCoraSvili,

romlebmac miTxres, rom

im diliT aRniSnuli travmatologi

da pediatri Sevardnilan

konferenciaze, mouTxoviaT

iuristi, rom saswrafod

eCivlaT CemTvis. rom me vZaladobdi

eqimebze da vayenebdi

maT Seuracxyofas. ninom amixsna,

rom Cven kamerebi gvaqvs gatanili

ausTorze da Sesabamisad,

gamoviZaxeT samsaxuri, rom

situaciaSi gavrkveuliyaviT da

videoCanawerebi amoviReTo.

amis Semdeg xelmZRvanelobam

gadawyvetileba miiRo, rom pediatri

gaeTavisuflebinaT,

Tan am pediatrs Tavisi xeliT

daawerines ganTavisuflebis

brZaneba, xolo travmatologi

CamoaSores bavSvebTan urTier-

Tobas, morigeobebs da mxolod

operaciebze datoves. vinaidan

„ingoroyvas klinikam” Sesabamisi

gadawyvetileba miiRo, me

aRar gavagrZele dava arsad,

arc jandacvis regulirebis

saagentoSi da gavCerdi. vifiqre,

rom Cven SevTanxmdiT, Tanac

`bavSvs TabaSiri davade, yvela

manipulacia Cavutare, miveci

daniSnuleba da meore dRes vigeb, rom

deda socialuri qselebiT agrZelebs

Cems diskreditacias, saSinel raRacebs

da rac mTavaria, tyuilebs wers. me

xmamaRla da sajarod vacxadeb, rom Tu

am adamianma sajarod ar moixada bodiSi,

kanonis sruli simkacriT pasuxs agebs

sasamarTlos winaSe Cemi

diskreditaciisTvis~

is samarTlebrivi pasuxi mivi-

Re, rac mindoda. klinikam bodiSi

moixada CemTan da Tema

daixura. manamde bavSvTa uflebebis

damcvelsac davukavSirdi,

rom bavSvis winaSe aseTi

konfliqturi situacia ganvi-

Tarda... saqmis kursSi yvela

Cavayene. Tumca rodesac klinikis

xelmZRvanelobasTan Cemi

komunikacia Sedga, Tema davamTavre.

da ai, 2 oqtombers,

saRamos, viniSnebi erT-erT

postze, sadac eqimi daviT subeliani

madanaSaulebs da wers,

rom me mivayene mas Seuracxyofa,

maxsenebs, rogorc fsiqopaTs,

mere Caanacvla da giJad

momixsenia, mere araadekvaturad

da mbobs, rom misi uflebebi

dairRva, rogorc eqimis.

amas ukve ar velodi. vinaidan

eqimi ar gaCerda, komentrebSi

ki iyo Cemi lanZRva, misi meu-

Rle aqtiurobda Zalian, aqve

misma meuRlem axsena, rom is

aris operaciaze. radgan xelmZ-

Rvanelobam ar miiRo aranairi

aqtivoba da eqimi isev agr-

Zelebs Tavis samedicino saqmianobas

igive ampluaSi, mivxvdi,

rom motyuebuli da gabriyvebuli

davrCi. vende klinikas _

rogorc miTxres, ise moviqeci

da jandacvis regulirebis

saagento, praqtikulad, gamovrTe

samsaxuridan. dilis 5

saaTamde vijeqi da komentarebs

vpasuxobdi. ar var boroti. ar

viyeneb Cems statuss _ arc eqimobas,

arc samsaxurebriv statuss,

arc nacnobobas. me rom

vyofiliyavi bomJi, Tundac

giJi da fsiqopaTi, rogorc is

miwodebs, sul rom meginebina

misTvis, is valdebuli iyo, momsaxureba

gaewia Cemi SvilisTvis.

xarvezi Cemi mxridan

arc erT instanciaSi ar iyo.

misgan ki iyo Zalian didi

xarvezi. Tavidan, roca miTxres,

rom travmatologi igvianebda,

imitom rom avariis gamo sxva

pacientTan iyo, mere administracim

miTxra, rom is iyo komunikaciaSi

bavSvTa orToped-

Tan. sinamdvileSi, Tavis post-

Si wers, rom is iyo operaciaze

da mas ar ecala. me ukve ver

gavige, vin sad iyo. mas rom

CemTvis sworad aexsna, sad iyo

da dagvianebis mizezi ras warmoadgenda,

rom is gadioda konsultacias

bavSvTa orTopedtravmatologTan,

rogor moqceuliyo,

me xmis amomRebi ar

viyavi. agresiuli eqimi SemrCa

xelT da Cems SeniSvnaze, Tu

ratom daigviana amdeni xani...

agresiulad mipasuxa. me vici,

rom eqimi aris zewolis msxverpli,

imitom rom aravin Riad am

problemebze ar saubrobs. magram

es is Tema ar aris, sadac

gavCumdebodi da ar vilaparakebdi.

aq me ar gavCumdebi.

amaze xma unda amoviRo, imitom

rom xval es problema ar ganmeordes.

pacientsa da mis Tanmxleb

pirebs ase virulad eqceodnen,

mis sityvebs gamoviyeneb,

Rorulad, ZaRlurad da

mamaZaRlurad. Zalian bevri

kargi eqimi gvyavs da aseTi

eqimebis gamo ar unda iCagrebodes

sxva. is eqimad ar unda

muSaobdes. eqimi axdens Cem, pacientis

diskriminacias. momixseniebs

xan Rorad, xan ZaRlad,

xan mamaZaRlad, xan fsiqopaTad

da xan giJad. moixados sajarod

bodiSi, Torem, ar vimuqrebi,

faqts samarTlebrivad

mivcem msvlelobas, mivyvebi

bolomde da eqimobis uflebas

davakargvineb. me amis pirobas

vdeb sajarod, imitom rom adamiani,

romelic dgas da imis

magivrad, rom aRiaros Secdoma,

utifrad me madanaSaulebs,

rogorc dedas. viyavi Zalian

gawonasworebuli da Zalian akademiuri,

dabali tonalobiT

mivmarTavdi, misgan gansxvavebiT,

sadc „Sen” da Rori viyavi,

Svils vtexdi xels. axla rom

mekiTxebian, ras vizam, aqamde

arafers vizamdi, axla CavrTav

yvelas da yvelafers, radgan

adamianma ver Seigno, rom man

Secdoma dauSva. mas amecadineben

imaSi, rom aseTi saqcieli

eqimisTvis aris miuRebeli. sakuTar

Tavs vgrZnob damnaSaved?

_ ara! imitom, rom CemTvis Cemi

Svili aris yvelanairi prioriteti.

me viTxovdi motexilobaze

droul daxmarebas. misi meu-

Rle mwerda, rom Tu Cemi qmari

damnaSave iyo, Tqvenma policielma

qmarma ratom ar mosToxva

pasuxio? me Cems qmars arafer-

Si vrev, Torem is eqimi saTrevi

da gasaxevi iyo Suaze im dilas,

amaSi 1000 procenti darwmunebuli

var, magram imas xom ar davuSvebdi,

rom klinikaSi formianma

policielma scema eqimi?

mere rac unda marTali vyofiliyavi,

verafriT vimarTlebdi

Tavs, rom policielma iZalada

eqimze. amitom madloba Cems

qmars, romelic damemorCila

da ar Caeria am ganxilvaSi. misi

pasuxisgeba gacilebiT mtkivneuli

iqneba, vidre _ Cemi. ar

gavCerdebi, sanam mis bodiSs ar

movismen. me aravis vabulingeb,

mag sityvebze calke movTxov

axsna-ganmartebas. amas SeiZleba

moyves is, rom man dakargos

licenzia da me viqnebi sruliad

bednieri imitom, rom aseTi

eqimi Zalian bevri kargi eqimis

saxels afuWebs da igi ar unda

muSaobdes. eqimi yvela ver iqneba.

deda var, SeiZleba aranor-

maluri deda var Cemi SvilebisTvis.

evelina Coxelma jandacvis

regulirebis saagentos mimar-

Ta, daviT subelianma ki _

„eqimTa uflebebis dacvis aso-

ciacias”, romlis Tavmjdomare

salome loluas, Tavis mxriv

„qronika+~ gaesaubra:

_ cota rTulia mocemul

situaciaSi mtyuan-marTlis

garCeva, roca orive mxare

erTmaneTs sicrueSi adana-

Saulebs.

_ Cveni mxridan, minda davafiqsiro

azri imis Sesaxeb, rom

roca eqimi mcirewlovan bavSvs

uwevs samedicino momsaxurebas,

igi ar unda iyos muqarisa da

fsiqologiuri zewolis qveS.

ra Tqma unda, Cven ar vamtkicebT,

rom es faqti moxda, magram

eqimis profesia Tavisi

arsiT Tavisufali profesiaa.

nebismier viTarebaSi dauSvebelia,

xelisuflebis warmomadgenelma

an kerZo pirma mosTxovos

eqims am kanonSi mocemuli

principebis, saeqimo saqmianobis,

eTikuri normebis sawinaaRmdego

moqmedeba, miuxedavad

momTxovni piris Tanamdebobisa

da sazogadoebrivi

mdgomareobisa. yovelgvari

qmedeba, rac xels uSlis samedicino

personals profesiuli

movaleobis SesrulebaSi, iwvevs

kanonmdeblobiT gaTvaliswinebul

pasuxismgeblobas.

_ gasagebia, magram es

dasamtkicebelia.

_ Cven samarTlebrivi gziT

wavalT da yvelas Sevaxseneb, rom

kanoni saeqimo saqmianobis Sesaxeb,

muxli 40-is mixedviT, eqimi

movalea, pacientebisTvis samedicino

daxmarebis aRmoCenis rigiToba

gansazRvros mxolod

samedicino Cvenebebis mixedviT

(Tu eqimi agvianebs, e. i. mas aqvs

ufleba, gansazRvros rigiToba).

41-e muxlis mixedviT, 16 wlamde

asakis arasrulwlovan pacients

samedicino momsaxureba gaeweva

mxolod mSoblis an kanonieri

warmomadgenlis TanxmobiT (anu

mkurnalobaze Tanxmobaa saWiro

mSoblisgan, eqimis gadasawyvetia,

daeswreba Tu ara mSobeli proceduras).

_ Tu bavSvi mcirewlovania

da mSoblis gasvla gareT

fsiqologiur stress ayenebs,

maSin?

_ roca eqimi mSobels an kanonier

warmomadgenels awodebs

informacias daavadebis, misi

mkurnalobis taqtikis, SesaZlo

garTulebebis Sesaxeb da mSobeli

xels awers istoriaSi informaciul

Tanxmobas, amis Semdeg

eqimi asrulebs samedicino

manipulacias da eqimis gadasawyvetia,

darTavs Tu ara nebas

mSobels. ra Tqma unda, ukeTesia,

arasrulwlovanTan proceduris

dros imyofebodes mSobeli,

magram amas eqimi wyvets.

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rezo SatakiSvili

597 94 42 50

cxra wlis winaT qveyanaSi bi-

Zinizmis apologiam ifeTqa, rac 8 wlis winaT mis mier Sekruli

blokis arCevnebSi gamarjvebiT dasrulda. im gamarjve-

bidan 8 weli gavida da axla ukve bevrad meti xedavs, rom

biZinizmi sworedac rom paTologiaa.

im rva wlis winandel gamarjvebas

ki win uZRoda uxvi dapireba,

rogorc werilobiTi (saarCevno

programaSi Cawerili), ise zepiri _

Tavad biZina rom meroWike beriviT

dadioda sofel-sofel da

ufaso fuls, 5-5 milions hpirdeboda

TiTo sofels. am nawilSi mas

gansakuTrebiT exmarebodnen misi

xuaSaq coqali da kravai jayeli _

nineli WankvetaZe da qeTi doliZe.

qeTi igi, doliZe, sofel-so-


da salome zurabiSvili prezidentad

gaeyvana da muTaqasaviT daedo

orbelianebis sasaxleSi.

qarTvels rom xelSi kalkulatori

aeRo, amqveynad verc biZina

iboginebda da verc _ biZinizmi.

faqtia, rom qveyana mis miliardebs

daxarbda. arada, mas im droisTvis,

„forbsis” monacemebiT, 6,4 miliardi

dolaris qoneba hqonda. biZina

ivaniSvils romc gadaewyvita mTeli

Tavisi qonebis xalxisTvis

biZinizmis

axla, zustad 8 wlis Tavze, bi-

Zina ivaniSvili kidev erTxel mogvevlina

„ocnebis” programis prezentaciaze

da naxevar saaTze met

xans isaubra. drois umetesoba „nacionalebis”

lanZRvas moandoma,

arc darCenili dro dauTmia momavalsa

da dapirebebze saubris-

Tbilisidan baTumSi sul samsaaTnaxevarSi

SevZlebT Casvlas, rom 6

miliardze meti investicia ganxorcieldeba

regionebis sabaziso

infrastruqturaze; 2024 wlisTvis

uwyveti wyalmomarageba miewodeba

mosaxleobis 77%-s, gazificireba

90%-s gadaaWarbebs, rom Turme

jobinebs _ eniT hokeis TamaSobs.

„Cven yvelas gvaxsovs bedis anabarad

mitovebuli qarTuli sofeli”,

_ amas ambobs urcxvad is kaci,

vinc 5 milion-amogdebuli datova

yvela qarTuli sofeli. sargeblobs

ra imiT, rom enas Zvali ar

aqvs, dgas da laparakobs, Tu ra

ras

gvpirdeboda

da ras aRar

gvpirdeba

ivaniSvili?

fel qadagebda, rom biZinas, Turme,

miliardi uZlevia saakaSvilisTvis

qarTuli soflis asa-

RorZineblad da miSas tlinki uyria,

da rom axla (anu maSin, 8 wlis

winaT) biZina ivaniSvili soflis

ganviTarebaSi Cadebda erT miliards

da TiTo sofels Sexvdeboda

5 milioni. es rom blefi iyo,

yvela mixvdeboda, visac ki grami

tvini, kalkulatori da guglze

wvdoma hqonda. ras vgulisxmob:

Tu biZina ivaniSvili soflis

ganviTarebaSi debs miliards da

TiTo sofels xvdeba 5 milioni,

gamodis, rom saqarTveloSi yofila

sul orasi sofeli!!! saqarTveloSi

rom ase cota sofeli araa,

amas guglic ar sWirdeba, kiserze

Tavis qonaa saWiro, guglSi Sesuli

ki aRmoaCen, rom saqarTveloSi

okupaciamde 4500 sofeli iyo,

dRes ki, okupirebuli soflebis

gamoklebiT, 3668 sofelia da Tuki

ivaniSvili am 3668 sofels 5-5 milions

daurigebda, es yvelaferi

biZina ivaniSvils 18 miliard 340

milioni daujdeboda.

biZina ivaniSvili xalxs aseve

hpirdeboda, rom im elituri kartofilis

Tesls, romlis gamoyvanasac

4 weli moandoma, gaisad ufasod

daurigebda mTel saqarTvelos.

imis mere rva „gaisi” gavida.

es ori dapireba (muqTa kartofili

da 5-5 milioni) jamurad erTad 5

kilogrami kartofilis darigebamde

davida _ rogorme putinis sa-

Sinao davaleba rom Seesrulebina

darigeba, ra Sexvdeboda TiToeul

adamians? saqarTveloSi 2012 wels

3 739 300 adamiani cxovrobda da

Tuki yvelas Tanabrad gagvinawilebda,

1711 dolari da 55 centi

Segvxvdeboda erTjeradad. esec

mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, Tu Tavad

im TeTri trusis amara darCeboda,

im fotoze rom mosavs, romelmac

socqselebi daipyro.

mokled, ara marto biZinas surda

xalxis motyueba, aramed Tavad

xalxsac swyuroda Tavis motyueba

da swored aman aRazeva biZinizmi

am qveyanaSi.

Tvis, im drosac Tavis mier „nakeTeb”

saqmeze isaubra. mokled, naxevarze

meti dro moandoma warsulis

lanZRvas, naxevarze naklebi,

Tavisi mmarTvelobis 8 wlis qebas

(anu isev warsuls), araferi Tqmula

momavalze arc misgan arc misi

ministrebisgan, dapirebiTac ki

arc aRarafers gvpirdebian, Tu ar

CavTvliT imas, rom 2020-2024

wlebSi damatebiT aSendeba 200 kilometri

Cqarosnuli avtomagistrali,

dasruldeba rikoTis magistrali,

aRmosavleT-dasavleTis

magistralis sxva monakveTebi da

„awarmoe saqarTveloSis” farglebSi

asobiT axali sawarmo dafinansdeba

da, sul mcire, 20 aTasi axali

samuSao adgili Seiqmneba; rom

aSendeba masStaburi miwisqveSa

gazsacavi, gafarTovdeba foTis

porti, rom Turme saxelmwifo

xels Seuwyobs anakliis portis

ganviTarebas(!); rom Turme ukve

gaformebulia asze meti memorandumi

sxvadasxva simZlavris hesebis

mSeneblobaze.

ai, sul esaa da amasac biZina ki

ara, misi ministrebi gvpirdebian.

Tavad biZina zogad laparaks am-

„despoturi da kacTmoZule xelisuflebis

pirobebSi mouwia qar-

Tul sazogadoebas cxovreba 2012

wlis pirvel oqtombramde”; rom

maT im 8 wlis winaT daamarcxes re-

Jimi, „romelic momxdur mterze

aranakleb daundoblad da sastikad

eqceoda sakuTar sazogadoebas”.

ise laparakobs, rom „Cven arasdros

dagvaviwydeba xelisuflebis

boroti nebis usityvod Semsrulebeli,

notariusad qceuli

da daCoqebuli sasamarTlo, namdvili

samarTlebrivi wyvdiadi,

gauqmebuli marTlmsajuleba da

gauqmebuli advokatis profesia”-

o, _ gegoneba, Cven dagvaviwyda,

rogor gadaisva Tavis kalTaSi murusiZis

sasamarTlo an is, rogor

aarTves sul ramdenime dRis win

advokat miSa ramiSvils telefoni.

gvelaparakeba sasamarTloze,

gegoneba, vinmes daaviwyda an axla

ver xedavs, ra dReSicaa mis nebas

damorCilebuli sasamarTlo.

isev dgas da mtkvarSi, rionSi,

aragvSi, alazansa da iorSi garecxili

namusiT imeorebs kremlis narativs,

rom wina xelisuflebam,

„misTvis damaxasiaTebeli politikuri

axlomxedvelobis gamoisobiT,

Tavidan ver aicila samxedro

avantiura da gauazrebeli moqmedebebiT

qveyanas teritoriis

oci procenti daakargvina”.

jer erTi, rom omSi qarTul

mxares adanaSaulebs da meore is,

rom wina xelisuflebas stenis imis

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eZaxiT paTologia dakargvas, rac imis wina xelisuflebis

dros ukve dakarguli iyo.

dgas da ise laparakobs „mexsierebidan

verasdros amoiSleba

brZolis velidan laCrulad gaqceuli

mTavarsardali”, faqtis

simrudes rom Tavi davaneboT, gegoneba,

Tavad makedoneli iyos da

koronis SiSiT SuSis sarkofagSi

ar gamomwyvdeuliyos.

ivaniSvili idga da usasrulod

laparakobda ganvlil 9 weliwadze

da gauTaveblad iSveliebda frazebs:

„Cveni mexsierebidan veravin

waSlis”; „Cven arasdros dagvaviwydeba

wlebi”; „Cven yovelTvis gvemaxsovreba”;

„Cven yvelas gvaxsovs”;

„daviwyebas ver miecema dro”; „Cven

arasdros dagvaviwydeba”; „mexsierebidan

verasdros amoiSleba”...

da ase dausruleblad. es mas surs,

im cxra wlis dausruleblad

xsenebiT kidev gaixangrZlivos ZalauflebiT

tkbobis wlebi. aki,

mogvaxsenes kidec, rom 8 weli ar

eyoT. cxadia, ar eyoT, radgan ver

ZRebian da kidev egulebaT am qveyanaSi

saxrav-saTqvlefi.

9 weliwadze laparakiT rom moiRala,

mere adga da wina mTavrobebsac

gadahkra Solti.

òri dapireba (muqTa

kartofili da 5-5 milioni)

biZinas rom hkiTxo, Turme,

damoukideblobis mopovebis dRidan

saqarTvelos ar axsovs stabi-

jamurad erTad 5 kilogrami

kartofilis darigebamde davida

lurobisa da mSvidobiani, demokratiuli

ganviTarebis esoden xangrZlivi

periodi; Turme, „qarTul davaleba rom Seesrulebina da

- rogorme putinis saSinao

ocnebamde” verc erTma xelisuflebam

ver aicila areuloba, qao-

salome zurabiSvili

si da sisxlisRvra. amas ambobs prezidentad gaeyvana da

kaci, romelic „kusok-kusok” abarebs

okupants qarTul miwas! coc-

muTaqasaviT daedo

va-cocviT moiwevs mteri ager 8 welia

orbelianebis sasaxleSi~

da amas Tavi moaqvs! ki, batono

biZina, Tu mters gauwvebi da krutunsac

daiwyeb, is namdvilad aRar

daxarjavs Senze tyvia-wamals!

laparakobs da Tan zviadistur

eleqtoratsac ekekluceba Tavis

WkuaSi, magram iqve aileweba, zustad

ise, rogorc putinis olimpiadaze

didis ambiT gavardnili,

saakaSvilis mier erovnul gmirad

gamocxadebuli elene gedevaniSvili

ailewa yinulze. inebeT zusti

citata misi gamosvlidan:

„gadavxedoT Cvens istorias,

damoukideblobis mopovebidan

dRemde _ samxedro gadatrialeba,

rasac erovnuli xelisuflebis

damxoba, pirveli prezidentis mkvleloba

da samoqalaqo omi moyva”.

es kaci da is kaci, vinc amas es

epistole dauwera, ver garkveula

da ver Camoyalibebula, ra moxda

im wlebSi Cvens qveyanaSi, Tan samxedro

gadatrialebaze, erovnuli

xelisuflebis damxobaze laparakobs,

Tan _ samoqalaqo omze. qveyanaSi

aranairi samoqalaqo omi ar

yofila, moxda samxedro gadatrialeba

ruseTis specsamsaxurebis

araTu daxmarebiT, uSualo xelmZ-

RvanelobiT adgilobrivi wiTeli

inteligenciisa da kriminaluri

elementebis xeliT.

am Temas kidev exeba, Tan arc

meti arc naklebi, siRaribeze saubrisas.

siRaribe Cveni brali araa,

memkvidreobiT gvergoo, _ gaiZaxis

ivaniSvili da krints ar Zravs,

TviTon ra gaakeTa am memkvidreobiT

miRebuli siRaribis dasaZlevad,

garda imisa, rom lari zustad

ormagad gaafarCaka (2012 wels

erTi dolari 1,67 lari Rirda) da

saSualo fena gaaRariba, Raribebi

gaaRataka.

amaze ar saubrobs. samagierod,

saubrobs isev warsulze da gvamcnobs,

rom Turme „dRevandeli siRaribe

aTeuli wlebis manZilze

dagrovili problemaa da im drodan

iRebs saTaves, rodesac Cveni

xeliT davangrieT axlad fexadgmuli

saxelmwifo”. da amitom,

Turme, sayvedurebs verc „nacionalebisgan”

miiRebs da verc imaTgan,

„vinc Tavis droze qvemexebiT angrevda

rusTavels da dRes dangreul

ekonomikaze bedavs laparaks”.

amas ise gaiZaxis, gegoneba, goga

xaindrava me myavdes ganebivrebuli!

ai, is goga xaindrava, romelic

Tanaxmad jaba ioselianis wignisa,

metexTan cxrilavda bunkeridan

gaqceul, koridormicemul

zviadistebs! ise gaiZaxis, gegoneba,

me gavadeputate araerTi put-

Cisti reJisori; gegoneba, me Semovikribe

gverdiT 2012 wels isini,

vinc axla sxvis gverdiT arian; da

gegoneba, me vkvebe da me Sevinaxe

mTeli qarTuli wiTeli inteligencia,

vinc aqtiurad monawileobda

im putCSi _ iaraRiT Tu uiaraRod.

diax, batono biZina, visac

Tqven uxdidiT yovelTviurad da

wlobiT aTasobiT lars, zustad

egeni idgnen da ibrZodnen im xelisuflebis

dasamxobad, romelsac

axla Tqven dastiriT niangis

cremlebiT _ zviadistebis gulis

mosagebad.

xedavT, batono biZina? Tqvenc

ki veRar gSveliT, veRar gyofniT

9 weli da ukve 90-ian wlebs gadaswvdiT!

warsulSi xarT CarCenili

da Cvenc warsulSi gveqaCebiT.

9 wels ver iviwyebT da is ki

kargad daiviwyeT, ras hpirdebodiT

xalxs 8 wlis winaT. iZulebuli

var, SegaxsenoT:

maSin xalxs hpirdebodiT, rom

pensia momentalurad 220 lari gaxdeboda.

dRes Tavs iwonebT, rom

pensia gaaormageT. batono biZina,

am ariTmetikiT iSoveT miliardebi?

2012 wels asakobrivi pensia 67

wlamde pirTaTvis 110 lari iyo,

67-ze da zemoT _ 125 lari. Tqven

hpirdebodiT, rom es pensia myisierad

gaxdeboda 220 lari. 220

lari gaxda mxolod 8 wlis Semdeg!

dRes 70 wlamde pirebisTvis 220

laria da mxolod 70 wels gadacilebulebisTvisaa

250 lari. erTi

SexedviT, viTom gaaormageT, magram

ormagad gaaufasureT lari

da ra gamodis?

2012 wels, visac pensia 110 lari

hqonda, im pensiiT, 2012 wlis

pirveli oqtombris arCevnebis wina

dReebSi, „Tibisi bankis” kalkulatoris

Tanaxmad, 66 dolarisa da

66 centis yidva SeeZlo, visac 125

lari hqonda _ 75 dolarisa da 75

centis. axla ki, biZina ivaniSvilis

gamobrZanebis wina dReebSi, vTqvaT,

27 seqtembers pensioners,

visac 220 lari aqvs 64 dolarisa

80 centis yidva SeeZlo, visac 250

lari aqvs _ 73,64 dolaris. amas

gaormagebas? es dolarTan

mimarTebiT, axla isic gaiTvaliswineT,

ra Zala hqonda im 8 wlis

winaT Tundac 66 Tu 75 dolars da

ra Zala aqvs axla am 64 da 73

dolars.

Tqven iyurebiT warsulSi da

Cvenc gvaiZulebT gavixedoT warsulSi

da CavxedoT Tqveni partiis

2012 wlis saarCevno programas,

gansakuTrebiT im nawils, sadac

ekonomikuri Tu socialuri uxvi

dapirebaa Tavmoyrili.

Tu vinme Caixedavda, maSinve mixvdeboda,

ra niWieri Jonglioric

iyaviT cifrebiT. Tqvens maSindel

saarCevno programas rom kacma

daujeros, SevardnaZis wlebSi

ganuxrelad izrdeboda mSp, „nacebis”

mosvlis mere ki ganaxevrebula.

ase urcxvad da utifrad

saubrobT „20 wlis ganmavlobaSi

dausrulebel „reformebze” da

brWyalebs xmarobT Tqven, visac 8

wlis manZilze qva qvaze ar dagidevT

da qvas mxolod meliaze sasrolad

iRebT xelSi.

Tqven, meocnebeebi, agdebiT

saubrobT im Tqvens programaSi

„singapurizaciaze”. Turme, nu

ityviT da „singapurizaciis” survili

yofila swrafva avtokratiisken

da ara liberaluri ekonomikuri

modelisken. „singapurs,

rogorc qalaq-saxelmwifos, ekonomikis

sruliad gansxvavebuli

struqtura aqvs da amitom igi verasodes

gaxdeba qarTuli ekonomikis

ganviTarebis samizne modeli”,

_ ai, amas gviwerdiT programaSi

2012 wels Tqven, vinc xelisuflebaSi

mosvlidan 8 wlis Tavze uzenaes,

sanatrel miznad dagvisaxeT

„saCxerizacia”!

maSinac, im programaSic, sadac

uxvad iyo dapireba, im dapirebebze

metad im 9 weliwadze laparakobdiT.

„xelisuflebaSi gansakuTrebuli

„popularobiT” sargeblobs

saprivatizacio obieqtebis simbolur

fasad (1 larad) gasxviseba

saqarTvelos prezidentis gankargulebis

safuZvelze”, _ ai, amas

werdiT Tqvens programaSi xelisuflebaSi

mosvlamde da mosvlis

Semdeg. Tavad araerTi miwa miiTviseT

larad. metic: mas Semdeg, rac

istoriul Tbiliss Sig gulSi

gasTxareT Tqveni gemovnebis maxinji

simbolo _ panorama, puSkinis

skveri larad daiTrieT da SeiwoveT!

„mcire da saSualo biznesis ganviTareba

uzrunvelyofs qveynis

ekonomikuri krizisidan gamoyvanas,

umuSevrobis Semcirebas, siRaribis

daZlevasa da socialuri

fonis gaumjobesebas, mravalricxovani

da Zlieri saSualo fenis

Camoyalibebas”, _ didis ambiT rom

gvicxadebdiT amas, sadaa an Semcirebuli

umuSevroba (rom aRaraferi

vTqvaT gazrdilze), an mravalricxovani

saSualo fena? „bazari

ganTavisufldeba xelovnuri

monopoliebisgan”, _ amas roca

werdiT, Tvalwin deidaSvil uCas

xateba gedgaT?

maSin, im 8 wlis winaT, „sazRvargareT

myofi Cveni inteleqtualuri

potencialis dabrunebis pirobebis

Seqmnaze” gvelaparakebodiT

da 8 wlis mere germaniisken

daiwyeT Cveni garekva, koronam SegiSalaT

xeli, Torem ki gagvrekavdiT

kidec...

TqvenTvis rom gvekiTxa, Tqven

mier SemuSavebuli dasaqmebis politikis

Sedegebi TiToeul adamians

unda gvegrZno _ Tqveni dapirebis

mixedviT Cven movZebnidiT Cveni

kvalifikaciisa da gamocdilebis

Sesabamis samuSao adgils da Sev-

ZlebdiT sakuTari codnisa da unaris

realizacias, gagviCndeboda

damatebiTi Semosavlebi da gagviumjobesdeboda

socialuri mdgomareoba,

rac mTavaria, Semcirdeboda

mosaxleobis masobrivi gasvla

sazRvargareT da Semcirdeboda

socialuri siduxWiris niadagze

Cadenil danaSaulobaTa ricxvi!

axla Tqven airCieT, romeli

statistika giraxunoT TavSi, _

danaSaulis matebisa Tu emigraciis?

an tarifebidan romeli gilawunoT

amomrCevelma?

Tqven ar brZandebodiT, sofelsofel

rom daZunZulebdiT da

tarifebis ganaxevrebas qadagebdiT

da im 2012 wlis programaSic

saxes ixokavdiT, rom Turme komunaluri

gadasaxadebis tarifebi

saqarTveloSi 2004 wlidan yvela

mimarTulebiT gegmazomierad

mkveTrad izrdeboda da 2012 wlisTvis

tarifebis sididiT saqar-

Tvelom ara marto dsT-is qveynebs,

aramed evropis bevr qveyanasac ki

gauswro? Tqven ar werdiT, rom

„eleqtroenergiis, gazis, wylis miwodebasa

da narCenebis gatanas saqarTveloSi

erTi saerTo ram aqvs

_ TiToeuli am momsaxurebis safasuri

araadekvaturad maRalia”.

SegaxsenoT, konkretulad ras

gvpirdebodiT? „umokles vadebSi

ganvaxorcielebT tarifebis xelaxal

da samarTlian gadaangariSebas

tarifebis mniSvnelovani Semcirebis

mimarTulebiT; ar davuSvebT

tarifebis zrdas subieqturi,

usamarTlo da dausabuTebeli

gadawyvetilebebis safuZvelze”...

axla is SegaxsenoT, rac qeniT

qveyanaSi 8 wlis manZilze am

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giorgi sakaruli

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„lurji veSapi” _ ase hqvia

films, romelmac araerTi ojaxi gaaubedura da araerT mozards

waarTva sicocxle. reJisor levan gabaZis TqmiT, mTavari gzavnili

martivia yvela situaciidan arsebobs gamosavali, mTa-

varia, mozardebs hqondeT srulyofili informacia.

ra aris „lurji veSapi”? _ „lurji

veSapi” internetTamaSia, romelic

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da TviTmkvlelobisken ubi-

Zgebs. TamaSi 50 dRe grZeldeba.

am xnis ganmavlobaSi monawileebs

„davalebebs” aZleven. gavrcelebuli

informaciiT, mozardebi,

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surT, socialur qselebSi sakuTar

gverdze toveben moTxovnas

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hgavs da Tan axlavs Sesabamisi heS-

Tegi. Semdeg maT ukavSirdebian

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Ta identificirebac ar SeiZleba

da isini bavSvebs aZleven „davalebebs”;

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„TamaSis” Sesaxeb aravis araferi

uTxran da yovelTvis Seasrulon

kuratoris nebismieri davaleba;

davalebis Seusruleblobis Sem-

TxvevaSi monawileebs TamaSidan

garicxviTa da mZime SedegebiT

emuqrebian. sul 50 davalebaa. navaraudevia,

rom 50 dRis Semdeg

„TamaSis” monawilem Tavi unda

moiklas. visac „TamaSidan” gasvla

unda, mas ojaxis wevrebis mimarT

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sia, romelic dakavSirebulia

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veSaps da sxv. bolo davalebaa

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moraluri panika gamoiwvia.

arsebobis pirvel wlebSi (2015-

2016 ww.) am praqtikam asze meti

adamianis sicocxle Seiwira.

2017 wlis TebervalSi sasikvdilo

„Celenjis” epidemiam piks miaRwia.

im periodSi „lurji veSapis”

„TamaSis” survili rvaasze

metma mozardma gamoTqva. Tumca

mogvianebiT aJiotaJi Cacxra _

dainteresebuli mozardebis ricxvi

Semcirda, rac sazogadoebisa

da samarTaldamcveli struqturebis

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„lurji veSapis” Tanmdev

tragedias kidev ufro masobrivi

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dasaxelda msxverplic _ 12

wlis gogona, romelic „kuratoris”

davalebiT me-5 sarTulidan

gadaxta. is sxeulis mravlobiTi

dazianebiT saavadmyofoSi gadaiyvanes.

saqmeze daiwyo gamoZieba.

TviTdazianeba kidev Svidma moswavlem

miiyena. samarTaldamcvelebma

moswavleebi gamokiTxes. maTi

asaki 13-14 welia. bavSvebs sxeulze

nakawrebi aRmoaCndaT, romelic

maT sakuTar Tavs miayenes. moswavleebis

mier TviTdazianebis

faqti ganaTlebis saministromac

daadastura, Tumca daSavebuli

bavSvebi „TamaSSi” monawileobas

uaryofdnen.

2017 wlis 31 maiss Sinagan saqme-

Ta saministrom, maRali sazogadoebrivi

interesidan gamomdinare,

„lurji veSapis” Sesaxeb

gamoZieba daiwyo, romelsac unda

daedgina, iyo Tu ara internetSi

gavrcelebuli TamaSi dakavSirebuli

qarTul internetsivrces-

Tan? 14 oqtombers gamoZiebis

dasrulebis Sesaxeb Sss-m gancxadeba

gaavrcela da dReis mdgomareobiT

qarTul internetSi

„lurji veSapis” arsebobis realuri

faqti uaryo.

levan gabaZis 15-wuTianma mxatvrulma

filmma, romelic realur

istoriebzea dafuZnebuli,

erovnuli kinocentris mowoneba

daimsaxura.

rogoria Semoqmedis TvaliT

danaxuli momakvdinebeli internetTamaSi?

ratom ar unda eSin-

odeT mozardebs misi? am da sxva

saintereso sakiTxebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+”-s reJisori levan

gabaZe esaubreba:

_ idea wamovida problemidan.

mogexsenebaT, am Temaze kargad

muSaobs sainformacio da beWduri

media, Tumca is segmenti,

romelic am saSiSi TamaSis interesis

sferoa, naklebad uyurebs

sainformacio gamoSvebebs. amitom

vecadeT, mayureblisTvis gansxvavebuli

kuTxiT migvewodebina es

informacia, dainteresebuliyo

da enaxa. filmi sul 15-wuTiania

da Seqmnilia prevenciisTvis. Cven

moviZieT bevri informacia, SevxvdiT

fsiqologebs, adamianebs,

romlebmac sakuTar Tavze gadaitanes

es mZime tragedia. mTliani

filmi dayrdnobilia realur

faqtebze, sxvadasxva informaciaze,

vinc „lurji veSapis” msxverpli

gaxda.

_ Tqveni ZiriTadi gzavnili

mozardebs ukavSirdeba?

_ ra Tqma unda, Cveni ZiriTadi

gzavnilebi mozardebs ekuTvniT,

maT am kuTxiT sWirdeba daxmareba.

albaT, rTulia, mozardi waiyvano

fsiqologTan an am Temaze

esaubro, rom mdgomareobidan gamoiyvano,

Cven ki vecadeT, rom yvela

bavSvisTvis ekranidan migveyvana

fsiqologi. vfiqrobT, vinc

am films uyurebs, sakuTar Tavs

amoicnobs da im SekiTxvebze miiRebs

pasuxs, romelsac ver svams.

N23 (325) 06.10-.12.10.2020 w.


`lurji veSapi~

mxatvruli

filmi

internetTamaSis

winaaRmdeg

problemidan gamosavali yovel-

Tvis arsebobs. swored amisTvisaa

es filmi gakeTebuli. Cveni mTavari

mizania, yvela mozardma naxos

filmi. aseve vemzadebiT safestivalod.

am droisTvis mimdinareobs

Targmani. kosultaciebi

gaviareT erovnul kinocentr-

Tan, vinaidan maT aqvT programa,

rom skolebSic Seitanon aRniSuli

filmi. aucilebelia, mSoblebmac

metad dainaxon sakuTari

roli da Tavi am problemis dasa-

Zlevad.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom es

filmi prevenciisTvis Seiqmna da

skolebSic gindaT, SeitanoT. am

sakiTxis Sesaxeb ganaTlebis

saministros esaubreT?

_ roca es filmi davasruleT,

erovnul kinocentrTan konsultaciebi

gaviareT. maT konkretuli

programa hqondaT _ kino skolebSi.

im etapze molaparakeba

mimdinareobda, rom es filmi skolebSi

Sesuliyo, magram pandemia

dagvemTxva. filmis premierac koronavirusis

gamo CagveSala da

Semdeg gadavwyviteT, rom internetiT

da mediis saSualebiT gagvevrcelebina.

am etapze erovnul

kinocentrs, mgoni, aRar aqvs proeqti

_ kino skolebSi, ufro sxva

formatSi gadavida. filmi imdenad

gavrcelda socialur qsel-

Si, rom, mgoni, 70%-ma ukve naxa.

_ levan, „lurji veSapi” gan-

sakuTrebulad aqtualuri 2017

wels iyo, roca am TamaSma saqar-

TveloSic SemoaRwia. ratom ga-

daiReT dRes es filmi da ara

wlebis winaT?

_ amaze ase konkretulad ver

gipasuxebT, Tumca getyviT, rom

es TamaSi rogorc 2017 wels iyo

aqtualuri da cxeli Tema, asevea

dResac. dRemde Zalian bevr mSobels

awuxebs es Tema da am problemas

ebrZvis.

_ piradad Tqven ra icodiT am

TamaSis Sesaxeb da ra aRmoCenebi

gaakeTeT muSaobis procesSi,

rogorc reJisorma?

_ Tavidan Zalian mwiri informacia

mqonda, Semdeg ki, ukve mu-

Saobis procesSi, imdeni amazrzeni

ram gavige, rom sastikad SevSfoTdi.

faqti is aris, rom amdeni

mozardi Seiwira.

_ filmi jeosaitebze daido,

sadac mnaxvelTa raodenoba 30

aTass acda. komentarebs Tu ga-

davavlebT Tvals, yvelas Zalian

moewona, Tumca ukmarisobis Seg-

rZneba darCaT, anu filmis

qronometraJi 15 wuTia. ratom?

_ rodesac am filmze daviwyeT

muSaoba, scenaris dasrulebisTanave

Tanxebis moZiebaze vizruneT,

rom msaxiobebisTvis honorari

gadagvexada da sxva xarjebi

dagvefara. Zalian bevr kompanias

davurekeT, yvelaferi detalurad

avuxseniT, Tu raze viRebdiT

films, yvelas Zalian moewona,

magram bolos uari gviTxres.

_ ratom?

_ ar vici.

_ Tu moewonaT filmis sce-

nari, uari ratom giTxres?

_ ar vici. am etapze ar gvaqvs

Tanxebio da a. S. es filmi rom ar

Cavardniliyo, gadavwyviteT, saku-

Tari ZalebiT gadagveRo. gverdiT

dagvidgnen msaiobebi: nanka kalatoziSvili,

salome bakuraSvili,

laSa gurgeniZe da bevri sxva. sruliad

usasyidlod dagvTanxmdnen

da iTamaSes. daviwyeT scenaris

gadakeTeba da, aqedan gamomdinarea

es filmi moklemetraJiani.

_ msaxiobebi rom filmis sce-

nars gaecnen, ra Tqves?

_ imitom iTamaSes usasyidlod,

rom TematikiT dainteresdnen. am

adamainebmac Tavisi wvlili Seitanes

mozardebis cxovrebaSi.

_ Zalian faqiz da rTul Temas

SeexeT. riskebis ar SegeSin-

daT?

_ ra Tqma unda, SegveSinda.

Tavidanve vifiqreT, rom am filmiT

popularizacia ar gagvewia

TviTon TamaSisTvis, amitomac

CavrTeT fsiqologebi, nabij-nabij

gaviareT yvela detali da namdvilad

iseTi gamovida, rogorc

Cafiqrebuli gvqonda.

_ ramdenad Tqva am filma

Tavisi saTqmeli?

_ vinc es filmi naxa an naxavs,

yvela amoicnobs sakuTar Tavs da

daaskvnis, rom erT did tyuilTan

gvaqvs saqme da aranairi „lurji

veSapi” ar arsebobs. mixvdebian

imas, rom yvelaferi aris fsiqologiuri

omi, _ aravin giyurebs da

aravin giTvalTvalebs.

_ rogorc reJisorisTvis, ra

aris dRes kidev iseTi Tema,

razedac siamovnebiT gadaiReb-

diT films?

_ kidev erT aqtualur proeqtze

vfiqrob. Zalian saintereso

iqneba adamianis urTierToba bunebasTan

_ rogor vabinZurebT

garemos da vanadgurebT tyes. am

Tematikis Sesaxeb minda, gadaviRo

filmi _ adamianis cxovrebaSi

Zalian mniSvnelovania bunebis arseboba

da Tu Cven mas davazaralebT,

isic samagieros gadagvixdis.

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xviCa mamulaZe

rogor afasebs da ras hpird-

eba baTumelebs, ra gegmebi aqvs

samarTalmcodnesa da biznes-

mens saarCevnod? _ am da sxva

mniSvnelovani ambebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+~ esaubra umaRlesi

sabWos deputatobis kandidats

„Cveni saqarTvelo _ solidarobis

aliansidan”, goCa gu-

gunavas:

_ vin aris goCa gugunava?

_ me var 43 wlis, baTumeli,

samarTalmcodne, Tumca profesiiT

ar vmuSaob da bolo 18-20 welia,

rac biznesSi var. aseve var

saqvelmoqmedo fond „baTumis”

damfuZnebeli da xelmZRvaneli.

sakuTar Tavze bevri saubari ar


moZraobis” dros da verc „qarTuli

ocnebis” mmarTvelobis pirobebSi

ver ipova samarTali, ufro

Rirebuli aRmoCnda, vidre

erTpirovnuli mmarTvelis karze

uprincipo msaxurad yofna.

„Cveni saqarTvelo _ solidarobis

aliansi” aris axali politikuri

Zala, romelsac Seswevs

unari, saqarTvelo axal relsebze

gadaiyvanos, misi politikuri

xazi swori veqtoriT mimar-

Tos!!! Cven viqnebiT jansaRad

principulebi am brZolaSi.

swored amitom me, goCa gugunava,

virCev da vendobi am partias da

mis gunds.

_ gqondaT Tu ara sxva poli-

rom SesaZlebelia ebrZolo viruss,

daamarcxo is ise, rom minimaluri

ziani miayeno qveynis

ekonomikas. amasTan, minda giTxraT,

rom im rTul da praqtikulad

gaurkvevel viTarebaSi Cven,

rigiTi baTumelebi, Jurnalistebi,

biznesmenebi sazogadoebis

yvela sferos warmomadgenlebi

gverdiT vedeqiT da Sesa-

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da meriisgan miviwyebul

mosaxleobas. xelisuflebis umkacresma

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da gadaWarbebulad

xistma midgomebma iqamde migviyvana,

rom aWaraSi turistuli

Tviani subsidirebis programa

gazisa da eleqtroenergiis safasuris

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Sesaxeb.

gulwrfelad mainteresebs,

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isev maT, vinc saxlSi ar

iyo, martsa da aprilSi baTumSi

sakmaod cioda, 4-5-wevriani ojaxi

mTeli dRe rom saxlSi iyo,

imaze met Suqsa da gazs moixmarda,

vidre _ manamde. ase rom, esec

mZimed aisaxa aseT ojaxebze. aqac

ar iyo swori gaTvlebi.

baTums esaWiroeba axleburi

xedva da swori marTva nepotizmisa

da piradi gamorCenis gare-

Se, sworad dagegmili biujeti,

moqalaqe?

_ albaT, zogadad, qveynis xelisuflebaze

mekiTxebiT, Tumca,

ra mniSvneloba aqvs, aqac analogiuri

mdgomareobaa.

8-wliani muSaoba? da Tqven

realurad fiqrobT, rom es

xelisufleba „muSaobda”? albaT,

imaze imuSaves, rom rac SeiZleba

meti da erTmaneTze didi saxli

aeSenebinaT. es xelisufleba

aris kleptokratiuli mmarTvelobis

magaliTi.

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arsebuli ganaTlebis sistema!!!

_ esaa dRevandeli realoba~

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icis, vinc var, vinc ara,

Tuki gamicnobs, darwmundeba,

rom var Cveni qveynisa da kuTxis

WeSmariti gulSematkivari, namdvili

baTumeli, romelsac Zalian

uyvars sakuTari qalaqi da guli

Sestkiva TiToeul baTumelze.

_ ratom „Cveni saqarTvelo _

solidarobis aliansi”? rogo-

ria Tqveni xedvebi am partiis

mimarT?

_ es aris axali politikuri

partia, axali sityva da Zala dRevandel

politikur realobaSi.

aq gaerTianebuli arian gamocdili

politikosebi. me vityodi,

rom dReisTvis saqarTveloSi,

erT-erTi yvelaze progresulad

moazrovne, qveynisa da

xalxis, sakuTari principebis

erTguli adamianebi.

albaT ityviT, ZiriTadad,

„ocnebis” saxeebiao, magram zustad

SemiZlia vTqva, rom es is deputatebi

da politikosebi arian,

romlebmac pirvelebma gaaprotestes

mTavrobisa da, zogadad,

partiis umoqmedoba da uunaro

politika, mosaxleobisTvis

micemuli dapirebebis Seusrulebloba.

am sakiTxSi wyalgamyofi

da principuli sakiTxi biZina

ivaniSvilis dapireba gaxda proporciul

saarCevno sistemaze

gadasvlis Sesaxeb. kerZod, gasuli

wlis Semodgomaze parlamentis

mier proporciul saarCevno

sistemaze gadasvlis kanonproeqtis

Cagdeba da aseve mosamarTleTa

uvadod daniSvnis sakiTxi.

swored maT pirvelebma datoves

partia, ar darCnen „komfortis

zonaSi”, maTTvis xalxTan erTad

yofna, im adamianebis gverdiT

dgoma, vinc verc „nacionaluri

tikuri partiebidan SemoTava-

zeba?

_ diax, mqonda da araerTi

partiidan, Tumca ar minda am

Temis ganvrcoba.

_ Tqven ukeT icnobT ba-

Tumelebs da iciT, rac awuxebT

maT. Tqveni arCevis SemTxvevaSi,

ras hpirdebiT baTumelebs?

_ diax, vicnob da Zalian kargad

vici, rac awuxebs Cems qalaqsa

da baTumelebs. Sevecdebi,

Tanmimdevruli viyo am problemebis

CamonaTvalSi: baTumelebis,

iseve rogorc mTeli qveynis

mosaxleobis upirvelesi gamowveva

da problema umuSevroba

da ukiduresad gamwvavebuli socialuri

fonia. amaSi igulisxmeba

mkveTrad gazrdili fasebi,

iqneba es sakvebi produqtebi,

medikamentebi Tu sxva pirveladi

aucilebeli moxmarebis sagnebi.

dRes qveyanaSi arsebulma kovid

viTarebam kidev ufro naTlad

dagvanaxa, raoden mZime socialur-ekonomikuri

fonia qveyanaSi.

praqtikulad, CamoSlili

da gaCerebulia ekonomika, biznesi,

aTasobiT Cveni moqalaqe umuSevaria

da bedis anabaradaa

mitovebuli. cxadia, rom aseTi

mZime Sedegi xelisuflebis mier

gatarebuli xisti, gauanalizebeli

da araswori politikis

Sedegia.

yvelani vTanxmdebiT, rom

upirvelesi sazrunavi Cveni moqalaqeebis

sicocxle da janmr-

Telobaa, aseve vTanxmdebiT, rom

aucilebelia medikosebis mier

damtkicebuli regulaciebisa da

rekomendaciebis dacva. Cveni mezobeli,

evropuli saxelmwifoebis

magaliTebma kargad gvaCvena,

sezoni, praqtikulad, Cavarda,

Caiketa sazRvrebi, ar iyo turisti,

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restornebma, kafebma, ramac,

yovelgvari gadaWarbebis gareSe,

umZimes viTarebamde migviyvana.

kidev erTi umTavresi gamowveva

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protestisa da guliswyromis

sagani (rac bolo wlebis

ganmavlobaSi gansakuTrebiT

TvalSi sacemia) es aris qalaqSi

mimdinare qaosuri mSeneblobebi.

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cxovrebisa da uZravi qonebis

flobis msurvelTa raodenoba.

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mniSvnelovania investiciebi,

Tumca vfiqrob, TiToeuli

baTumelisa da piradad xelisuflebis

Zireuli amocana baTum-

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xelisuflebis upasuxismgeblo

da, pirdapiri mniSvnelobiT, mavnebluri

politikis Sedegia, rom

qalaqis istoriul ubnebSi aRmarTulia

usaxuri Senoba-nagebobebi

da es samwuxaro tendencia

aqtiurad grZeldeba.

amave konteqstSi ar SemiZlia

ar aRvniSno mTavrobis e. w. 3-

keTilsindisieri mmarTveloba

da kvalificiuri kadrebi.

_ arCevis SemTxvevaSi ras

hpirdebiT baTumelebs?

_ es meris arCevnebi ar aris

da me baTumel mosaxleobas,

„qarTuli ocnebis” maJoritariviT,

bavSvebisTvis skverebis mowyobasa

da gzebis dagebas ver Sevpirdebi.

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momdevno 4 wlis ganmavlobaSi,

Cemi, rogorc arCeuli

deputatis, kari yovelTvis Ria

iqneba maTTvis, maT mosasmenad.

me viqnebi baTumelebis Tvali,

yuri, xma aWaris umaRles sakanonmdeblo

organoSi da rac mTavaria,

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mTavrobas, mis saqmianobasa da

Tu saWiro gaxda, mTavrobis gadayenebis

sakiTxsac davayeneb (am

SemTxvevaSi sruli Semadgenlobis

umravlesobis xmaa saWiro).

aucileblad vizrunebT gansakuTrebuli

saWiroebis mqone

pirebze, maT dasaqmebaze, Cvens

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Rirseuli sibere. amaze partiis

programaSi yvelaferi kargadaa

gawerili.

_ rogor afasebT xelisu-

flebis 8-wlian muSaobas,

rogorc saqarTvelos rigiTi

`me viqnebi baTumelebis Tvali, yuri, xma

aWaris umaRles sakanonmdeblo organoSi

da rac mTavaria, gavakontroleb aWaris

mTavrobas, mis saqmianobasa da Tu saWiro

gaxda, mTavrobis gadayenebis sakiTxsac

davayeneb (am SemTxvevaSi sruli

Semadgenlobis umravlesobis xmaa saWiro)~

oba, gaurkvevel mdgomareobaSi

arsebuli ganaTlebis sistema!!! _

esaa dRevandeli realoba da

visac am realobis ar sjera, isev

ocnebebSia!!!

_ Tqveni azriT, xelisufle-

ba iyenebs pandemias winaasarCevnod

mis sasargeblod? da ra-

tom?

_ xelisuflebas undoda pandemiis

gamoyeneba dividendebis

mosapovelad sakuTar yulabaSi.

TiTqos, gazafxulze gamouvidaT,

magram qarTveli kaci saku-

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ver gamouvaT! mosaxleoba 31

oqtombers gascems pasuxs.

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er konkurentad?

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iqneba ganmsazRvreli

faqtori ama Tu im kandidatis

siZlierisa. vici, rom baTumSi

bevri mxarmdamWeri myavs.

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gveqneba mravalpartiuli par-

lamenti?

_ unda gvqondes. es savaldebuloa

demokratiisTvis da Cveni

momavlisTvis. es Cveni mosaxleobis

swor arCevanzea damokidebuli.

yvelam unda gaviTavisoT

da gaviTvaliswinoT, rom

momavali dgeba dRes.

31 oqtomberi Cveni qveynisa da

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dRe da TariRia. mjera da Rrmad

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swor arCevans gaakeTeben

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gvaqvs angariSi, romelzedac mosaxleoba

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saqmianoba unda

awarmoon.

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oba?

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gazrdebs?

_ raoden gasakviric unda iyos,

dapirebebi ar gvaqvs. wlebia,

winasaarCevnod mosaxleoba da-

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uzrunvelvyoT am yvelafris

ganxorcieleba. rac Seexeba axalgazrdebs,

maT uperspeqtivobisa

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gansakuTrebiT ki mZime mdgomareobaa

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axalgazrdebs SevuqmnaT

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maT SesaZlebloba eqnebaT,

TavianT regionebSi dafuZndnen

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am periodSi SeumcirdaT Semosavali

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swavlis gadasaxadis dafarvas

ver axerxebda. Tumca xelisuflebam

es ar gaiTvaliswina, amitom

aucilebelia, axalgazrdebis

interesebs parlamentSi axalgazrdebisve

warmomadgeneli

icavdes da im problemebze

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is. Tqven ratom unda gendoT ma-

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Cven gvinda erovnuli saqmis

gakeTeba. milioneris mmarTvelobis

periodSi kidev ufro gavRatakdiT!

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dro.

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mxareebs SesTavaza,

erTgvari momrigeblis misia Seasrulos.

„Cven kvlav movuwodebT euTos

minskis jgufis TanaTavmjdomareebsa

da saerTaSoriso aqtorebs,

miiRon yvela zoma Zaladobis Sewyvetisa

da dialogis ganaxlebisTvis.

saqarTvelos keTilmezobluri

urTierTobebi akavSirebs

rogorc azerbaijanTan aseve somxeTTan.

Cveni amocanaa, Sevinar-

CunoT da kidev ufro ganvamtkicoT

es urTierTobebi.

saqarTveloSi yovelTvis vamayobdiT

qarTvelebTan erTad sxvadasxva

erovnebis, maT Soris, azerbaijanelebisa

da somxebis mSvidobiani

TanacxovrebiT, rac Cveni

saerTo monapovaria da mas didi

gafrTxileba, erToblivi zrunva

sWirdeba.

Cven ar unda davuSvaT, rom azerbaijansa

da somxeTs Soris Seqmnil

krizisul viTarebaSi calkeulma

destruqciulma elementebma,

saqarTvelos gareT Tu SigniT,

Crdili miayenon Cvens megobrobasa

da istoriul gamocdilebas.

yovelive amis gaTvaliswinebiT,

qarTuli mxare kidev erTxel adasturebs

Tavis mzaobas, nebismieri

formiT Seuwyos xeli viTarebis

ganmuxtvas, maT Soris, saWiroebis

SemTxvevaSi, dialogis gamarTvis

mizniT konfliqtis mxareebis warmomadgenelTa

Sexvedras umaspinZlos

TbilisSi.

qarTuli mxare mravali wlis

ganmavlobaSi zedmiwevniT asrulebda

da asrulebs sakuTar saerTa-

Soriso valdebulebebs, maT Soris,

mezobeli qveynebis azerbaijanisa

da somxeTis _ mimarT. kerZod,

saqarTvelos satranzito funqcia

mniSvnelovani faqtoria orive qveynis

ekonomikis funqcionirebisa

da ganviTarebisaTvis, rac bunebrivia,

saqarTvelos interesebSic

aris.

dResac, saqarTvelos gavliT,

tranzitis reJimSi samoqalaqo daniSnulebis

satvirTo gadazidvebi

Seuferxeblad da usafrTxod xorcieldeba

nebismieri, maT Soris,

azerbaijanisa da somxeTis mimarTulebiT.

gadazidvebis intensivoba

maRalia da aRniSnuli maCvenebeli

ar Secvlila samxedro konfliqtis

ganaxlebis Semdeg.

aRsaniSnavia, rom konfliqtis

gamwvavebis momentidan saqarTvelos

mier samoqalaqo sahaero satvirTo

gadazidvebis miznebisaTvis

raime saxis SezRudvebi ar dawesebula

da arc dawesdeba.

amasTan, azerbaijansa da somxeTs

Soris mimdinare samxedro mo-


safrTxe, romelic somxeT-azerbaijanis

zustad im dros, roca saqarTv-

giorgi abaSiZe

eloSi winasaarCevno kampania kulminacias

aRwevs, regionSi viTare-

ba fatalurad iZabeba, anu somxeT-azerbaijanis ganaxlebul

samxedro konfliqts vgulisxmobT. saerTod, am omze sxvadasxva

mosazreba arsebobs, anu zogierTi fiqrobs, rom sagangaSo

araferia da es didi saxelmwifoebis, e. i., ruseTis, aSS-isa da

TurqeTis politikuri TamaSebia, magram isini, vinc regionis

problemebs zereled ki ara, safuZvlianad icnoben, amboben,

rom saqme saxumarod namdvilad araa da im SemTxvevaSi, Tu

zemoxsenebuli brZolebi kidev erTi kvira gagrZeldeba, maSin

gangaSis zarebs saqarTvelomac unda Semohkras.

qmedebebis gamo saqarTvelos mTavrobam,

eskalaciis dawyebisTanave,

droebiT SeaCera nebarTvebis gacema

sakuTar teritoriaze, saxmele-

To da sahaero marSrutebiT samxedro

tvirTebis gatarebaze orive

qveynis mimarTulebiT. amis Taobaze

mxareebi informirebulni iyvnen.

nebismier sxva saerTaSoriso

satranzito gadazidvebTan dakavSirebiT

qarTuli mxare srulad asrulebs

saerTaSoriso valdebulebebs.

Cveni saerTo interesia swrafad

Sewydes samxedro dapirispireba

da regionSi aRdges mSvidoba”,

_ naTqvamia gancxadebaSi, romelic

oficialurma wyaroebma saqarTvelos

usafrTxoebis sabWos

dasrulebis Semdeg gaavrceles.

ise, analitikosTa nawilis SefasebiT,

somxeT-azerbaijanis konfliqtze,

ufro sworad, am konfliqtis

riskebis gaTvaliswinebiT,

usafrTxoebis sabWos mowveva

dagvianda, magram naTqvamia, sjobs,

gvian, vidre arasdroso. hoda, rac

unda iyos, mainc kargia, rom yuris

Ziras mimdinare saomari moqmedebebi

Cvenma xelisuflebam saerTod

ar „daaignorira” da Tundac „protokoluri”

reaqcia gamoxata...

saerTod, somxeT-azerbaijanis

samxedro konfliqti iseTive „Zvelia”,

rogoric, magaliTad, afxazeT-samaCablos

problema, anu

yvelaferi, rogorc CvenTan, Cvens

mezobel saxelmwifoebSic sabWoTa

kaSiris daSlis paralelurad daiwyo

da SeiZleba iTqvas, yarabaRis

konfliqtic, afxazeTisa da sama-

Cablos omebis msgavsad, erTgvarad

„bolSevikuri naRmia”, e. i., komunistebma,

jer kidev, gasuli saukunis

dasawyisSi, roca „diadi sab-

WoeTi” „dafuZnda”, es „naRmi” „wi-

Tel miwaSi” „Savi dRisTvis”, anu im

momentisTvis Cafles, Tu „leninur

imperias” safrTxe Seeqmneboda.

mokled, martivad rom vTqvaT,

mizanma saSualeba gaamarTla da

rogorc ki „rkinis farda” „gaixa”,

eTnokonfliqturi naRmebic afe-

Tqda.

rac Seexeba mTiani yarabaRis

oms, yvelaferi, jer kidev, me-20

saukunis pirvel naxevarSi daiwyo.

kerZod, qarTuli „vikipediis”

Tanaxmad, mTiani yarabaRisTvis

oficialuri erevani da oficialuri

baqo erTmaneTs pirvelad lamis

erTi saukunis winaT daetaknen

da maSin es uTanxmoeba azerbaijanis

gamarjvebiT damTavrda, anu

mTian yarabaRze kontroli baqom

daawesa.

„1921 wels ruseTma kavkasiis samive

saxelmwifo _ somxeTis demokratiuli

respublika, azerbaijanis

demokratiuli respublika da

`yarabaRis omis Sedegebi iseTi

iqneba, rom igive xelisufleba ki

ara, axalic verafers izams!~

saqarTvelos demokratiuli respublika

daipyro.

sabWoTa kavSiris Seqmnis Semdeg

yarabaRi somxeTis ssr-s gadaeca,

rasac azerbaijanSi didi saprotesto

moZraoba mohyva, erevanSi ki

isev sabWoTa okupaciis winaaRmdeg

mimarTuli ajanyeba mimdinareobda.

am faqtorebis gaTvaliswinebiT,

1921 wels mTiani yarabaRi azerbaijans

gadaeca.

1923 wels teritoria mTiani

yarabaRis avtonomiur regionad

gamocxadda da azerbaijanis ssr-

Si Sevida. am droisTvis yarabaRis

mosaxleobis 94% somexi iyo. avtonomiuri

regionis dedaqalaqi SuSadan

xankendSi gadaitanes, romelsac

somxuri mxare stefanakerts

uwodebs”, _ naTqvamia qarTul „vikipediaSi”.

vidre sabWoTa kavSiri monoli-

Tur saxelmwifod iTvleboda,

somxeTsa da azerbaijans Soris

mSvidoba sufevda, Tumca es mSvidoba

myife iyo. Sesabamisad, mas

Semdeg, rac kremlis mmarTveli

mixeil gorbaCovi gaxda da „wiTel

imperias” e. w. liberaluri reformebis

talRam gadauara, „moZme”

respublikebma TviTgamorkveva

daiwyes da yarabaRis miZinebuli

konfliqtic gacocxlda. kerZod,

1987 wlis oqtomberSi azerbaijanis

teritoriaze mdebare somxebiT

dasaxlebul sofel CardaxliSi

erovnebiT azerbaijaneli kolmeurneobis

Tavmjdomare dainiSna, rasac

soflis somexi mosaxleobis

protesti mohyva. am protestma erevnamde

CaaRwia, sadac sxva sakiTxze

saprotesto aqciebi imarTeboda.

Cardaxlidan misuli cnobebis

Semdeg ki am aqciebis paTosi Seicvala,

anu protestantebma yarabaRisa

da naxWevanis somxeTisTvis

gadacema Riad moiTxoves. sabWoTa

xelisuflebas am moTxovnisTvis

Tavdapirvelad yuradReba ar miuqcevia,

ramac mxareebi gaaTamama

da 1988 wlis 20 Tebervals mTiani

yarabaRis saolqo sabWom deklaracia

gamosca, romelsac sabWos yvela

somexma deputatma dauWira mxari.

deklaraciis mixedviT, sabWo

sabWoTa kavSirisa da sabWoTa azerbaijanis

mTavrobebs sTxovda,

yarabaRi somxeTisaTvis gadaeca.

paralelurad, somxeTis teritoriaze

mcxovrebi azerbaijanelebis

didi nawili iZulebuli gaxda,

sacxovrebeli adgilebi daetovebina...

pirveli SeiaraRebuli Setakeba

swored yarabaRis saolqo sab-

Wos deklaracias mohyva. 1988 wlis

22 Tebervlis dapirispirebas ori

azerbaijanelis sicocxle Seewira.

yvelaferma aman mTel azerbaijan-

Si didi protesti gamoiwvia da mosaxleobam

eTnikur somxebze Tavdasxmebi

daiwyo. 1988 wlis 27 Tebervlis

saRamos kaspiis zRvis sanapiroze

mdebare qalaq sumgaiTSi

azerbaijanelebma qalaqis mosaxleobaze

Sturmi miitanes da... aTobiT

somexi sicocxles gamoasalm-

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konfliqtiT saqarTvelos emuqreba

`regionSi iseTi viTarebaa, rom arCevnebze

xelisufleba yvela SeTxvevaSi unda Seicvalos.

Cven ufro meti demokratia unda vaCvenoT

msoflios, vidre es ankaraSia - yvelas unda

davanaxoT, rom samxreT kavkasiis gasaRebi

TbilisSia da is demokratiis centria~

es. gadarCenili somxebi iZlebuli

gaxdnen, mxolod sumgaiTi ki ara,

azerbaijani daetovebinaT. maSin

somexi ltolvilebi saqarTveloSic

Semovidnen...

somxebsa da azerbaijanelebs

Soris SeiaraRebuli dapirispireba

TandaTan intensiur saxes iRebda.

orive mxarem SeiaraRebuli

jgufebis formireba daiwyo... amasobaSi,

anu 1988 wlis 7 dekembers,

somxeTSi Zlieri miwisZvra moxda,

romelmac aTasobiT adamiani imsxverpla

da qalaqebi giumri da spitaki

seriozulad daazarala. miwisZvris

masStabebi imdenad didi

iyo, rom yarabaRis sakiTxi droebiT

yvelas daaviwyda. kremlma

swored amiT isargebla da imxanad

gavleniani somxuri organizaciis

_ „yarabaRis komitetis” wevrebi,

maT Soris, levon ter-petrosiani

daakava. paralelurad, 1989 wlis

12 ianvars sabWoTa kavSiris komunisturi

partiis umaRlesma prezidiumma

brZaneba gamosca, romli-

Tac mTiani yarabaRis avtonomiur

olqze sabWoTa kavSiris centraluri

xelisuflebis kontroli

damyarda.

1989 wlis maisSi „yarabaRis komitetis”

wevrebi gaaTavisufles.

maT, somxeTSi moqmed sxva nacionalistur

ZalebTan erTad, „somxeTis

erovnuli moZraoba” daaarses.

amave dros, azerbaijanSi „azerbaijanis

saxalxo fronti” Camoyalibda,

romelsac abulfaz elCibei

Caudga saTaveSi. elCibei yarabaRis

konfliqtis samxedro gziT

mogvarebis rupori gaxldaT...

imave wlis noemberSi sabWoTa xelisuflebam

mTiani yarabaRi isev

azerbaijans miakuTvna, ris sapasuxodac

somxeTis xelisuflebam

yarabaRi da somxeTi gaerTianebulad

gamoacxada...

1990 wlis 13 ianvars baqoSi somxebze

masobrivi Tavdasxmebi iwyeba,

ra drosac 90 adamiani iRupeba.

kremli azerbaijanSi sagangebo

mdgomareobas acxadebs da qveynis

did qalaqebSi, maT Soris, baqoSi,

samxedro operacias atarebs, rasac

oficialuri cnobebiT, 148 adamiani

ewireba. sxvaTa Soris, 19-20

ianvris movlenebi azerbaijanis

uaxles istoriaSi „Savi ianvris”

saxeliTaa Sesuli. am sadamsjelo

operaciis Semdeg azerbaijanis mosaxleoba

komunistur partias masobrivad

tovebs... erTi sityviT,

kremli oficialur baqoze kontrols,

praqtikulad, kargavs...

marTalia, amis Semdeg somxurazerbaijanuli

urTierTobebi aRar

damTbara, magram mTiani yarabaRis

samxedro konfliqti, mcire

afeTqebebs Tu ar CavTvliT, gaiyina

da ai, axla, yvelaferi TiTqos

warsulSi, anu 90-ianebSi dabrunda

_ orma mezobelma respublikam

erTmaneTze ieriSi kvlav miitana.

sxvaTa Soris, ukve arsebobs

cnoba, rom am ganaxlebul konfliqts

erTi ingilos sicocxle

Seewira _ 19 wlis biWi azerbaijanul

jarSi eqvsi Tvis win gaiwvies

da konfliqtis ganaxlebidan ramdenime

dRis Semdeg daiRupa...

ise, zogierTma SeiZleba Tqvas,

Cven Cveni mkvdari vitiroT, somxebi

da azerbaijanelebi uCvenodac

morigdebiano, magram saqme ase martivadac

araa, anu, jer erTi, azerbaijani

Cveni strategiuli partnioria,

somxeTTan ki, rogorc

mezobelTan, minimum, kargi urTierToba

gvaqvs. Sesabamisad, samezoblos

konfliqti, gvinda Tu

ara, Cvenzec iqoniebs gavlenas.

meore da mTavaric: saqarTveloSi

eTnikuri somxebic mravlad

cxovroben da eTnikuri azerbaijanelebic

(isini saerTo mosaxleobis

10 procents Seadgenen). hoda,

Tu mesame Zalam, e. i., am SemTxveva-

Si, ruseTma moindoma, SesaZloa, es

eTnikuri araqarTvelebi aamxedros.

sxvaTa Soris, ukve iyo precedenti,

roca samcxe-javaxeTis somxuri

mosaxleobis nawili ramdenime

dRis win Seikriba da imaze daiwyo

msjeloba, istoriul samSoblos

rogor SeiZleba daexmaros.

erTi sityviT, safrTxe, romelic

somxeT-azerbaijanis ganaxlebuli

samxedro konfliqtidan gvemuqreba,

arcTu usafuZvloa da

amis Taobaze eqspertebic saubroben.

ai, magaliTad, „profesional

rkinigzelTa klubis” damfuZnebeli,

daviT goCava ambobs, rom yarabaRis

omis Sedegebi mZime iqneba:

„regionSi iseTi viTarebaa, rom

arCevnebze xelisufleba yvela

SeTxvevaSi unda Seicvalos. Cven

ufro meti demokratia unda vaCvenoT

msoflios, vidre es ankaraSia

_ yvelas unda davanaxoT, rom

samxreT kavkasiis gasaRebi Tbilis-

Sia da is demokratiis centria.

yarabaRis omis Sedegebi iseTi

iqneba, rom igive xelisufleba ki

ara, axalic verafers izams, radgan

is, realurad, axali ar iqneba,

magram Cven aucileblad unda Sev-

ZloT xelisuflebis mSvidobiani

gadacemis demonstrireba, rac gamoricxulia

baqoSi, erevanSi, minskSi,

moskovSi... ase Cven demokratiuli

samyaros mxardaWeras davimsaxurebT!

es mxardaWra ki aucileblad

dagvWirdeba”.

lela jejelava ki, romelic

„eTnikur da konfesiur urTier-

TobaTa centris” xelmZRvanelia

da samezoblos ambebs zedmiwevniT

kargad icnobs, ambobs, rom imis

fonze, rac Cvens sazRvrebTan xdeba,

saqarTvelos xelisuflebas

urTulesi misia akisria:

„erTi kviris Semdeg regionSi

omis masStabi, Semcirebis nacvlad,

izrdeba. aSkaraa, rom ori mezobeli

saxelmwifos samxedro dapirispirebis

fonze Cven mimarT mimdinareobs

aseve farTomasStabiani

sainformacio omi. Tanamedrove sainformacio

teqnologiebis fonze

urTulesi misia aqvs Cvens saxelmwifos

_ uzrunvelyos sakuTari

moqalaqeebisa da, pirvel rigSi,

azerbaijaneli da somexi moqalaqeebis

sainformacio usafrTxoeba.

amis gareSe ver SevZlebT Cveni saxelmwifoebrivi

da erovnuli interesebis

dacvas.

imedi maqvs, rom Cven gvyavs informaciuli

usafrTxoebis Sesabamisi

kvalifikaciis specialistebi,

romlebic umokles vadaSi SeimuSaveben

Sesabamis stratigias (Tu

arsebobs ukve, Seudgebian mis ganxorcielebas).

sxvaTa Soris, konfliqts sar-

TaSoriso samarTalsa da istoriul

samarTlianobas Soris, sabolood,

miwis samarTali wyvets. miwas

Tavis kanonebi aqvs _ is sxva principebiT

muSaobs, mas sxva faqtorebi

gansazRvravs, magram utyuaria:

misi erTi dRe SeiZleba, Cveni

asi wlis tolfasi iyos. mTavari

ki is aris, rom miwas patroni unda

imsaxurebdes. xom gagigiaT, adamianzec

ityvian xolme, magas miwac

ar ekuTvniso”, _ ambobs jejelava.

sxva analitikosebi ki somxurazerbaijanuli

konfliqtis konteqstSi

moaxloebul 31 oqtombers

axseneben, anu qvemo qarTlis

eTnikuri azerbaijanelebisa da

javaxeTSi mcoxvrebi eTnikuri somxebis

yuradReba, Zalauneburad,

am omze iqneba koncentrirebuli

da SesaZloa, isec moxdes, rom

arCevnebis mimarT interesi dakargon...

erTi sityviT, im dros, roca

mTeli yuradReba koronavirusze

keTdeba, rac, albaT, gamarTlebulia,

SesaZloa, movlenebi ise ganviTardes,

rom kovidinfeqcia saerTod

dagvaviwydes. ase rom, sifrTxile

da windaxeduleba aucilebelia,

rac, sxvaTa Soris, saqar-

Tvelos mesame prezidents maincdamainc

ar gamouCenia, anu mixeil

saakaSvilma ramdenime dRis win

socialuri qseliT gancxadeba gaavrcela,

sadac pirdapir Tqva, rom

mTiani yarabaRi azerbaijanis teritoriaa:

„Cemi pozicia sruliad cxadia

da is saxelmwifos mTlianobis princips

efuZneba, rac imas niSnavs,

rom mTiani yarabaRi azerbaijanis

suverenul teritorias warmoadgens

da amas veraferi Secvlis. ra

Tqma unda, yvelas, vinc gamogdebulia

am teritoriidan, saxlSi

dabrunebis ufleba aqvs da vinc

ukve cxovrobs iq, maT aqvT ufleba,

rom simSvideSi icxovron da

maTi uflebebi daculi iyos”.

davuSvaT, is, rac saakaSvilma

Tqva, simarTlea, magram es gancxadeba

zogierTma provokaciulad

monaTla da somxeTma mas erevnis

saxelmwifo universitetis sapatio

doqtoris wodeba CamoarTva.

am iniciativiT somxeTis ganaTlebis

ministri, araik aruTiniani gamovida.

mokled, samxreT kavkasiaSi

cecxli anTia. axla mTavaria, mxareebma

da mediatorebma imdeni

moaxerxon, rom es cecxli iseT

xanZarSi ar gadaizardos, romlis

Caqrobasac wlebi dasWirdeba!..

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xviCa mamulaZe

pirvel oqtombers aWaraSi, gadauRebeli wvimis Sedegad,

mosaxleobas sasicocxlo problema Seeqmna _ xelvaCauris

municipalitetis sofel joWoSi sabediswero mewyruli pro-

cesebi ganviTarda.

miwis masam TedoraZeebis sacxovrebeli

saxli xevSi Caiyola,

sadac imyofeboda ojaxis sami

wevri: deda, mama da 16 wlis mozardi

biWi.

wvimis Sedegad aseve sxva lokaciebze

_ gorgilaZisa da griboedovis

quCebis kveTaze centraluri

gzebi, xolo puSkinis

quCaze mdebare ramdenime maRazia

daitbora. rogorc moqalaqeebi

acxadeben, aRniSnuli gzis

monakveTi xSirad itboreba, ra-

Sic baTumis merias adanaSauleben,

radgan wylis Sesabamisi arxebi

mouwesrigebelia.

aRsaniSnavia, rom uxvi naleqis

gamo wylis masa dagrovda e. w.

Waobis dasaxlebaSi, centralur

saavtomobilo gzazec, sadac

qveiTebs gadaadgileba gauWirdaT.

aseve benzes dasaxlebaSi mosaxleoba

daxmarebas iTxovs. adgilobriv

mcxovrebTa gancxadebiT,

10-mde ojaxs safrTxe emuqreba,

radgan sacxovrebel saxlTan

mdinarem miwis masa waiRo.


mosaxleobis TqmiT, maT baTumis

merias mdinaresTan jebirebis

mowyobis TxovniT araerTxel

mimarTes, Tumca maTi Txovna

uSedego aRmoCnda.

ramdenime sofelSi mewyeric

ki Camowva, romelmac waiRo sacxovrebeli

saxlebi, avtomobilebi,

yvelaze rTuli viTareba ki

xelvaCauris municipalitetis

sofel qveda joWoSi iyo, sadac

stiqiam 5 adamianis sicocxle

imsxverpla.

„qronika+~ mewyerSi daRupuli

TedoraZeebis mezoblebsa da

axloblebs esaubra. maTi gancxadebiT,

tragediamde ojaxma araerTxel

mimarTa Sesabamis uwyebas

dasaxmareblad, magram uSedegod.

maSvelebma ordRiani rTuli

samuSaoebis Semdeg mozardi bi-

Wis cxedari ipoves. adgilze am

droisTvis samZebro samuSaoebi

dasrulebulia.

maSvelebi meore lokaciaze gadavidnen

Savi zRvis sanapiroze _

iq, sadac mdinare mejiniswyali

moyolil moqalaqeebs uwyvetad,

24-saaTian reJimSi eZebdnen. adgilze

damatebiT iyo mobilizebuli

saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis

samsaxurisa da Tavdacvis saministros

Zalovani warmomadgenlebi.

samZebro samuSaoebi mimdinareobs

aseve mdinare satexiaSi.

iq gadavardnili avtomobili

ukve napovnia, xolo misi

mZRoli dakargulia.

stiqiis Rames aWaraSi specialuri

aRWurvilobiT Cavidnen

damxmare Zalebi samegrelodan,

imereTidan da Tbilisidan.

samuSaoebSi CaerTo 60 mexanZremaSveli.

2 oqtombers diliT 50-

kaciani jgufi Sesabamisi aRWurvilobiT

daiZra Tbilisidan.

aWaraSi mosuli uxvi naleqis

gamo sazogadoebri usafrTxoebis

marTvis centr 112-Si 440

Setyobineba Sevida, romelTa

umravlesoba, ZiriTadad, datboril

quCebs, sacxovrebel saxlebsa

da ezoebs exeboda.

baTumis TiTqmis yvela problemur

lokaciaze seriozuli

situacia Seiqmna, romelic Zlierma

naleqma gamoiwvia.

SemTxvevis adgilsa da sxva

lokaciebze mosaxleobasTan Sesaxvedrad

gavidnen „lelo saqarTvelosTvis”

baTumis maJori-

xelisuflebis uyuradRebobis gamo

aWaraSi stiqias 5 adamiani emsxverpla

Sav zRvas uerTdeba. mdinare mejiniswyalma

xidze mimavali avtomanqana

gaitaca, manqanaSi ori

piridan erTma gadmoxtoma SeZlo,

meores ki am dromde eZeben.

aWaraSi arsebuli mZime viTarebis

gamo damatebiTi samaSvelo

Zalebis mobilizeba gaxda saWiro.

pirvel oqtombrs adgilze

muSaobda 120 mexanZre-maSveli

da mZime teqnika. isini, daaxloebiT,

40 000 tona mewyrul masaSi

tarobis kandidati irakli kupraZe

da „erTiani nacionaluri mo-

Zraobis” maJoritari deputati

aWaris umaRles sabWoSi giorgi

kirTaZe. maT adgilze Seafases

arsebuli mZime viTareba.

irakli kupraZes erT-erT

lokaciaze, kerZod, imedaSvilis

quCaze, mZime viTareba daxvda.

„es aris yoveli wvimis Sedegad

datborili baTumi misi

ezoebiT, saxlebiT. xalxs didi

zarali adgeba. gafuWebuli teqnika

da aveji danakargis mcire

CamonaTvalia. darwmunebuli var,

aravin agebs pasuxs zaralze,

romelic mosaxlebas miadga.

dRes erTaderTi problemaa

am mdgomareobis swrafad mogvarebaa.

samwuxarod, xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi ar Canan.

ar Cans aseve samaSvelo samsaxuri,

romelsac 2 saaTis win

davurekeT. pasuxi mxolod erT

sakiTxze miviReT: Tu eqimi gWirdebaT,

maSin movalT, winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi, veranairad dagexmarebiTo”,

_ ganacxada irakli

kupraZem feisbuq-laivis meSveobiT.

stiqiis dros is imedaSvilis

quCaze mosaxleobas fizikurad

exmareboda.

giorgi kirTaZe bonis dasaxlebaSi

maqacarias quCaze imyofeboda.

adgilze gasul deputatobis

kandidats uamravi problema

daxvda.

„Zalian rTuli viTareba Seiqmna!

10 ojaxi bedis anabaraa mitovebuli.

didi Sansia, erT

dRes adidebulma mdinarem mTeli

ojaxi waiRos. saswrafod

gasakeTebelia napirsamagri an

xalxi usafrTxo adgilas unda

gadaiyvanon”, _ ganacxada giorgi

kirTaZem.

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maJoritari deputatobis kandidati

„girCidan”.

politikaSi didi gamocdileba

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kidev. dagaafdeiTebT xolme”.

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ideis sisworesa da

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Tuli libertarianuli partiaa

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amomrCevlis winaSe.

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ramdenad adekvaturad miiRebs

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ufro daafasebs, vidre

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_ ratom daTanxmdiT maJori-

tar kandidatobas, ra aris

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politikuri Tu ekonomikuri

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romelTa gadmobirebasac Sev-

Zleb.

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kandidatebTan SedarebiT da

romelia TqvenTvis yvelaze

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olqSi wamoyenebul kandidatTagan,

ra Tqma unda, „evropuli

saqarTvelos” erT-erTi

lideri giga bokeriaa, Tumca

samTavrobo kandidatis xelSi

administraciuli resursi da

xelisuflebis mxridan daxmarebis

molodinia. konkurencia

marTlac didia, Tumca mimaCnia,

rom Cems konkurentebze bevrad

kargad mesmis olqSi arsebuli

problemebi da ukeT vicnob aqaur

adamianebs, radgan mec maTnairi

var.

_ „evropuli saqarTvelos”

kandidats pozitiuri da gansx-

vavebuli saarCevno kampania

aqvs foTSi, xobsa da senakSi.

rogoria Tqveni saarCevno kam-

pania?

_ „evropuli saqarTvelos”

kandidats, baton giga bokerias,

marTlac saintereso saarCevno

kampania aqvs. Cemi gegma martivia:

mTel resurss adamianebTan

komunikacias vaxmar. marTalia,

eqvsas kacze gaTvlil sufras

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Tumca martivi da gulwrfeli

komunikacia bevrad efeqtian

gzad mesaxeba. ise, am qveyanaSi

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gulwrfeloba arc ise momgebiani

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Si mjera, rom Sedegs gamoiRebs.

ar minda, am adamianebis beladi

an patroni viyo, rogoradac undaT

xolme qarTvel politiko-

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boris

yurua:

àmomrCeveli

gulwrfelobas

ufro

daafasebs~

sebs, moevlinon amomrCevels.

Cemi, rogorc parlamentaris

misia, martivia: vibrZolo imisTvis,

rom aq xalxma bevrad ufro

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vidre grZnobda, Tavisufali

adamiani ki sakuTar problemebs

mTavrobis Caurevladac moagvarebs.

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saarCevno Stabi gaqvT, ramde-

nad efeqtianad muSaobT?

_ gadavwyvite, Cemi saarCevno

Stabi virtualur sivrceSi

yofiliyo da masSi gawevrianeba

SeuZlia nebismier moxalises,

visac unda, saarCevno kampaniaSi

damexmaros. saintereso eqsperimentia,

iafia da Sedegze orientirebuli.

rac mTavaria, zedgamoWrilia

Cemnairi kandidatisTvis.

_ ra iqneba Tqveni mTavari

gzavnili amomrCevlis misamar-

TiT? yvela kandidati gam-

oirCeva dapirebebiT, Tqven ras

dahpirdebiT xalxs?

_ arCevnebi saqarTveloSi dapirebebis

doRs waagavs. yvela

cdilobs, maqsimalurad bevr

fuls dapirdnen adamianebs gamarjvebis

SemTxvevaSi da ase moigon

maTi guli. aravin aravis

ekiTxeba, saidan apireben amgvari

dapirebebis Sesasruleblad

resursebis povnas? me rac Semexeba,

dapirebebs ar gavcem. dapirebis

Sesasruleblad saWiroa,

umravlesobaSi iyo, rac, am etapze,

ararealuria. Sesabamisad,

vcdilob, yvelas dapirebis nacvlad

vuTxra is, Tu ra Rirebulebebi

maqvs da risTvis vibrZoleb

parlamentis tribunidan

Cemi arCevis SemTxvevaSi. Cemi

mTavari Rirebuleba, ra Tqma

unda, Tavisufleba da kerZo

sakuTrebis maqsimaluri xel-

Seuxeblobaa.

_ rogor SeafasebT Tqvens

Sansebs? aseve 2020 wlis arCevnebze

Seicvleba Tu ara xeli-

sufleba?

_ mgoni, SefasebebisTvis ad-

rea, jer kidev ar gaxurebula

procesi ise, rom viRacebis realuri

Sansebi davinaxoT. didi

imedi maqvs, rom xelisufleba

Seicvleba, Tumca es ar moxdeba

opoziciis gansakuTrebuli CarTulobis

gareSe. misasalmebelia

is SeTanxmeba, rasac opoziciurma

partiebma miaRwies, amgvarma

erTianobam SesaZlebelia,

uaryofiTi gavlena iqonios xelisuflebis

Sansebze. davelodoT!

yvelasTvis sasikeTo iqneba,

Tuki gadamgdebi da arafrismaqnisi

xelisufleba sadaveebs

gauSvebs xelidan.

_ Tqven warmoSobiT foTidan

xarT, Sesabamisad, adgilo-

brivebis problemebs icnobT.

ra awuxebs dRes foTis mosax-

leobas?

_ foTi ar aris izolirebuli

adgili, rom aq adamianebs gansakuTrebuli

problemebi hqondeT,

iseTi, rac sxvas ar awuxebs.

aq SeiZleba TvalSi mogxvdeT

infrastruqturuli problemebi

da adgilobrivi xelisuflebis

absoluturi uniaToba.

qalaqi, romelic erT-erTi umdidresi

unda iyos, bedis anabaradaa

migdebuli.

_ regionebSi mTel rig prob-

lemebSi arian axalgazrdebi.

Tu gaqvT konkretuli gzav-

nilebi maTi misamarTiT?

_ adamianebs uamravi problema

aqvT am qveyanaSi, rogorc axalgazrdebs,

ise moxucebs, bavSvebs,

qalebsa Tu mamakacebs. mTavari

problema is gaxlavT, rom

Raribi qveyana varT da arsebuli

problemebis absoluturi

umravlesoba swored am mizeziT

gvaqvs. Tu movaxerxebT efeqtiani

cvlilebebis ganxorcielebas,

rac moicavs rogorc gadasaxadebis

Semcirebas, ise masobriv

privatizaciasa da sasamarTlo

reformas, SeiZleba investorebisTvis

mimzidvel adgilad gadaviqceT

da ase katastrofulad

Raribebi aRar viyoT. Tu Raribebi

aRar viqnebiT da sax

`foTi ar aris izolirebuli adgili, rom aq adamianebs

gansakuTrebuli problemebi hqondeT, iseTi, rac sxvas

ar awuxebs. aq SeiZleba TvalSi mogxvdeT

infrastruqturuli problemebi da adgilobrivi

xelisuflebis absoluturi uniaToba. qalaqi, romelic

erT-erTi umdidresi unda iyos, bedis anabaradaa

migdebuli~

35

me-15 gverdidan

- saqarTvelo damoukideblobis

mopovebidan dRemde importdamokidebuli

qveyanaa, amitom

inflaciis TargeTirebis SemoReba

Tavidanve Secdoma iyo, Tumca

es gaxldaT trenduli, romelic

90-ian wlebidan wamovida

axali zelandiidan da msoflios

did nawils moedo. dro ki gviCvenebs,

rom viTareba Seicvala. am


davubrundeT inflaciis TargeTirebis

reJims: martivad getyviT,

adamiani avtomobilis

marTvisas ara mxolod spidometrs,

aramed, magaliTad, sawvavis

raodenobasac akontrolebs,

aseve uyurebs quCaSi ra xdeba,

vinme xom ar gadarbis Tundac

iseT adgilas, sadac gadasasvleli

ar aris. paraleli rom gavavloT,

erovnuli banki mxolod

inflaciis „spidometrs” uyur-

TiTeba wamovida rezervebis daxarjvaze.

erovnuli banki ucxo

valutaSi agrovebs rezervebs

krizisis periodSi gamosayeneblad.

axla gvaqvs krizisi da

maincdamainc vaSingtonidan unda

mogvcen miTiTeba, rom rezervis

nawili davxarjoT?! samwuxarod,

erovnuli banki amasac SecdomiT

akeTebs, radganac winaswar acxadebs,

rodis da ramdens daxarjavs,

rac spekulaciur qmedebebs

niT? ratom gaurbis igi pasux-

ismgeblobas? Tu xelmZRvane-

lobis kompetenciis problemaa?

_ erovnuli bankis xelmZRvanelma

sakmaod kargi ganaTleba

miiRo. Tanac, savaluto fond-

Sic namuSevaria da gamocdilebac

aqvs, Tumca, rogorc Cans,

misi susti mxare pirovnuli Tvisebebia.

is davalebebs elodeba

vaSingtonidan. didi albaTobiT,

is fiqrobs, rom meore vadiT ar

daartya, Cven mogviwia savaluto

fondis mcdari rekomendaciebis

argaziareba, riTac qveynis sabanko

sistema gadavarCineT.

_ laris gaufasurebis Tema

mniSvnelovania TiToeuli mki-

TxvelisTvis. mesmis, rom prog-

nozis gakeTeba rTulia, magram

ramdenad SesaZlebelia, Tqveni,

rogorc ekonomistis, SefasebiT

samomavlod ra mocemulobis

winaSe viqnebiT?

lado papava: `Cveni ekonomikis

erTaderTi jansaRi nawili laria!~

nawilSi mTavaria, rogor daiTvleba

inflaciis maCvenebeli.

inflacia asaxavs samomxmareblo

kalaTaSi Sesuli produqtebisa

da momsaxurebis fasebis saSualo

donis zrdas. didi mniSvneloba

aqvs, risgan Sedgeba es

kalaTa. saqarTvelos samomxmareblo

kalaTaSi sursaTis wili

mxolod 30%-ia, maSin, roca ekonomikurad

Cveni donis qveynebSi

sursaTis wili 50%-ia. amitom

inflaciis is maCvenebli, romelic

CvenSi gamoiyeneba, fasebis

donis cvlilebis realur suraTs

ar asaxavs. magaliTad, aSS-

Si kvebis produqtebs samomxmareblo

kalaTaSi mxolod 15%

uWiravs, radgan iq Semosavlebi

bevrad metia da adamiani sxva rameze

ufro mets xarjavs, vidre

_ sursaTze. Rarib qveynebSi ki,

pirvel rigSi, kvebaze midis mosaxleobis

xelT arsebuli fulis

didi nawili. samomxmareblo

kalaTis es mcdari modeli jer

kidev saakaSvilis mmarTvelobisas

gakeTda da mas Semdeg ar Secvlila.

amitom inflaciis gamoqveynebuli

maCvenebeli realobas

daSorebulia.

ebs, sxva maCveneblebi misTvis meorexarisxovania

an saerTod ar

aris gasaTvaliswinebeli. amis

saukeTeso magaliTia laris gacvliTi

kursisadmi erovnuli bankis

damokidebuleba. es ki Secdomaa!

amas isic emateba, rom erovnuli

bankis xelmZRvaneloba,

rogorc wesi, dums, maSin, roca

aucilebelia, xSirad akeTebdes

gancxadebebs, rom savaluto bazari

damSviddes.

pandemiis periodSi saerTa-

Soriso savaluto fondidan mi-

uwyobs xels. Tan yovel jerze

40 milioni ratom gamoaqvs?! man

saWiroebis mixedviT unda daxarjos

da ara standartulad yovelTvis

40 milioni. SesaZloa,

raRac momentSi 47 milioni iyos

saWiro an 12 milionic ki eyos

savaluto bazarze simSvidis

SenarCunebas _ situacias gaaCnia.

faqtia, rom erovnuli banki, Tavisive

nebiT, savaluto bazarze

„TamaSgare mdgomareobaSia”.

_ erovnuli bankis TamaSgare

mdgomareobaSi yofnas riT xs-

airCeven da isev vaSingtonSi dabruneba

surs. amitom ar arTulebs

savaluto fondTan urTier-

Tobas. gasaTvaliswinebelia, rom

dRes savaluto fondmac ar icis

zustad, Tu rogor moiqces. maxsovs,

Cveni mTavrobis dros ma-

Ral doneze vTanamSromobdiT

savaluto fondTan, Tumca davalebis

formulirebaSi koreqtivebi

Segvqonda. amitom moxerxda

laris SemoReba. 1998 wels ki

ruseTis defolti saqarTvelos

ekonomikaze gadmovida da lars

_ CemTvisac mniSvnelovania,

radgan xelfass larSi viReb da

rogorc Cveni nebismieri TanamoqalaqisTvis,

es principuli sakiTxia,

magram erTi ram unda vicodeT:

is, rac lars sWirs, laris

problema ar aris. Cven yvela

unda gavufrTxildeT lars ara

mxolod imitom, rom mas erovnuli

simbolika axatia, aramed imitomac,

rom lari gvWirdeba Cveni

ekonomikisTvis. lari gviCvenebs,

rom ekonomika arajansaR

mdgomareobaSia da rom erovnuli

banki bolo wlebia, mas jerovnad

ver marTavs. rac Seexeba

prognozs, mainc optimisturad

var ganwyobili imasTan dakavSirebiT,

rom mTavroba, romelic

arCevnebis Semdeg Tavidan dakompleqtdeba,

SeZlebs ekonomikis

warmatebiT gaZRolas. rac Seexeba

erovnul banks, mas ufro gamarTlebuli

rekomendaciebis

miReba dasWirdeba saerTaSoriso

savaluto fondisgan, radgan

dRevandel xelmZRvanelobas

damoukideblad swori gadawyvetilebis

miRebis unari, samwuxarod,

ar gaaCnia.

vin moxvda aWaris èrTiani nacionaluri

moZraobis~ partiuli siis aTeulSi?

„erTianma nacionalurma moZraobam”

aWaris umaRlesi sabWos deputatobis

kandidatebi daasaxela.

proporciuli sarCevno siis pirvel

aTeulSi moxvdnen:

1. elguja bagrationi _ aWaris umaRlesi

sabWos wevri;

2. giorgi kirTaZe _ baTumis sakrebulos

yofili Tavmjdomare da enm-is

baTumis organizaciis xelmZRvaneli;

3. gia abulaZe _ aWaris ganaTlebis

yofili ministri, umaRlesi sabWos deputati;

4. medea vasaZe _ iuristi, aWaris

umaRlesi sabWos yofili wevri;

5. levan anTaZe _ eqimi, aWaris jandacvis

yofili ministri;

6. irakli CavleiSvili _ respublikuri

partiis wevri, baTumis sakrebulos

yofili wevri;

7. mamuli surmaniZe _ qobuleTis

36

xviCa mamulaZe

sakrebulos wevri, daba oCxamuris ma-

Joritari deputati;

8. asmaT diasamiZe _ aWaris umaRlesi

sabWos wevri, pirveli skolis yofili

direqtori, universitetis leqtori;

9. daviT konceliZe _ qedis raionuli

organizaciis xelmZRvaneli;

10. mamuka jevaiSi _ biznesmeni.

aWaris umaRles sabWoSi partiis ma-

Joritari deputatobis kandidatebi

arian: gia abulaZe, elguja bagrationi

da giorgi kirTaZe;

aWaris mTavrobis yofili Tavmjdomare

da „erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis” erTerTi

lideri, levan varSalomiZe ki 2020

wlis saparlamento arCevnebSi baTumis ma-

Joritarad iyris kenWs.

partiuli sia „erTianma nacionalurma

moZraobam” partiis axal ofisSi, memed

abaSiZis gamzirze warmoadgina, sadac

levan varSalomiZis mxardamWeri

jgufi imuSavebs.

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dekanoz nikita TalakvaZis `moqalaqe-mRvdlis dRiuri~

gagrZeleba, dasawyisi

ix. „qronika+” ##35-41

(2019w.); ##2-9; #12,19

(2020w.)

„qronika+~ agrZelebs dekanoz

nikita TalakvaZis dRiuris gamoqveynebas.

SegaxsenebT, rom „literaturuli

muzeumis” mier wlebis

winaT gamocemuli wigni, „mo-

qalaqe mRdvlis dRiurebi”, rigi

garemoebebis gamo, faqtobrivad,

farTo mkiTxvelisTvis xelmiuwvdomelia.

masalaSi, romelsac qve-

moT warmogidgenT, ZiriTadad,

saubaria saeklesio intrigebsa da

kuluarebze. nikita TalakvaZis

SefasebebiT es kuluarebi da

faqtebi dRevandeli gadasaxe-

didanac ki sakmaod mZime

gasaazrebelia da uamrav „nacnob”

Tu ucnob movlenas, cnobil Tu

sazogadoebisTvis ucnob personas

saerTod sxva kuTxiT war-

moaCens.

13 ivnisi _ samSabaTi

dRes kaTolikozi sakaT. sabWos

darbazSi sxdomazea. sabWo mTeli

Tvisi SemadgenlobiT aris Sekrebili.

samRvdeloebis „jildoebi”

SeaCeres, magram rom vinmem sxvafriv

ar CamoarTvas sabWos es Se-

Cereba ukve gadawyvetil da miRebul

„debulebaTa”, isev ganagr-

Zoben „namsaxurobis” siebis moTxovnasa

mTavarxucebis saSvalebiT.

kviris zeimi veraze da ToTibaZis

qeba-dideba, es „mitris” magieri

yofila, xeli SeuSale Turme Cemi

protestiT, Torem pirvel rigSi

ToTibaZisaTvis unda eboZebiaT

mitra! Turme CemTvis metad hSurT

is garemoeba, rom gazeT „komunistSi”

kaTolikozis kudSi var

gamobmuli, rac zemodac mqonda

aRniSnuli! „saxeli gaukeTeT TalaqvaZeso”,

_ wuwuneben Turme! da

ai am „Cemi saxelis” badlad kaTolikozma

Sesxma gaukeTa antons

veris nikolozSi! esec metad damaxasiaTebelia

Cveni zneobrivi saxisa!

SeSurdaT sazogadoebis winaSe

Cemi gamoSveba 21 maiss zaqaria Wi-

WinaZis iubileze! im dRes usaTuod

kaTolikozis genuis „mowodebis”

toni aviRe, kaTolikozis

gadadgmuli „nabiji” ganvmarte, sazogadoebas

da iubiliars kaTolikozis

saxeliT mivmarTe, didi

TanagrZnoba gamoviwvie kaTolikozisadmi

da ai, ra SuriT da

gesliT Seegeben amasac ki kaTolikozis

kamarilia! komunisturma

presam kaTolikozis TanaSemwed

damsaxa, miss TanamSromlad da Tu

raime xifaTi moelis kaTolikozs,

arc me amcdeba es xifaTi, magram

CemTvis esec ki hSurT!..

am dRis sxdomaze kaTolikozs

warudgenia Tvisi werilobiTi moxseneba,

urbnisis eparqiaSi saWirod

vsTvli gamwesebul iqmnas mangleli

episkoposi qristeforeo! arc

arCevnebi, arc erTi da arc meore!

1920-Si gadadga urbnisis episkoposi

daviTi (ro ar gadamdgariyo, unda

gadaeyenebia sakaT. sabWos aTasgvar

ukanonobisa, umoqmedobisa da

utaqtobisa gamo), romelic exla

Wyondidlobs foTSi! mas Semdeg es

eparqia kaTolikozze iyo miwerili,

is iRebda jamagirsac da mar-

Tavda kidec, Tu dRes SeiZleba

adamianma ixmaros sityva _ „mar-

Tva”!.. am eparqiisTvis gelaTis

krebam „daasaxela” dek. qr. cicqiSvili,

romelic saeparqio krebas

unda aerCia; gelaTidan Camosvlis

Semdeg mowveul iqmna urbnisis saeparqio

kreba, aqedan dek. iason

kapanaZe iqmna gagzavnili kaTolik-

ozis warmomadgenlad im krebaze,

krebam cicqiSvili ar airCia. magram

sakaT. sabWom sxva mxriv mouara

saqmes, cicqiSvili kaTolikozma

jer Tvis qor-episkopozad

ikurTxa, aurCevlad, aravisTvis

ukiTxavs ise! _ amis ufleba saeklesio

krebam momcao! (ra aris es

ubadruki „saeklesio kreba”?! sai-

Tac undaT cincaZe-ToTibaZe

iqidan gamoabamen xolme mas yurs!

modi da iwame avtoriteti aseT

krebisa! ase gaamasxaraves saeklesio

krebac ki!) es „mangleli” veris

nikolozze miawera „droebiT”,

sanam ekurTxeboda, dek. ToTibaZis

winamZRvrobis qveSe! ekurTxa „mangleli”,

magram ise gautkba veris

sasaflaos qanqari, rom arc ki

hfiqrobda is iqidan daZvras;

ToTibaZis saidumlo ganzraxva ki

iyo am „virglas” rogorme Tavidan

moSoreba! am doRriala cicqiSviliT

sakmarisad isargebla To-

TibaZem Tvis provokatorul

miznebis misaRwevad, bolos maZRrad

moaZova veraze, sakaT. sab-

Wodanac da veris eklesiis saSvalebaTaganac

did Zali fuli

misces „manglels” Cacma-daxurvisTvis

da mosawyobad, rom is madlieri

gaecurebia Tbilisidan,

samxedro taZarze hyavda antons

qristefore miwerili da rodesac

bolSevikebis SiSiT TviT antoni

ivltoda menSevikebTan erTad baTomamde,

maSin samxedro taZari qristefores

dautova, xolo, rodesac

dainaxa antonma, rom bolSevikebma

uceb ar dagviWires TbilisSi

xucebi, _ isic dabrunda ba-

Tumidan didZali fuliT datvirTuli

menSevikebisagan; cicqiSvilma

aseTi samsaxuri gauwia antons

im dros; amitom iyo, rom antonma

samagierod veraze miiwera,

„manglelad” akurTxebia, samxedro

taZari kaTedrad _ samwirvelod

gauxada. cicqiSvili SeeCvia im

azrs, rom is sul TbilisSi „imanglelebda”

da qanqariT ikoWavebda!

magram antons ra xels miscemda

aseTi „didi kacis”Tvis xelqveiT

daWera?! _ episkoposi dek.

anton ToTibaZis winamZRvrobis

qveS! ai, aseTi saarako „kanoniuri”

efeqti Seiqmna TbilisSi. amitom

antoni Seudga cicqiSvilisaTvis

uCumrad fexidan xaliCis gamoclas!

cicqiSvilis adgilze antons

surda wm. ninos sasaflaos mRvdeli

_ dek. daviT garsiaSvili, misi

morCili, misi Tanamesaidumle,

kaci massaviT gaiZvera, binZuri da

qurdi. es garsiaSvili, wm. ninos

sasaflaos sxva mRvdlebTan er-

Tad, leonidis dros, pasuxisgeba-

Si iyo micemuli saZmo Semosavlisa

da eklesiis fulebis qurdebisTvis,

mTeli krebuli gadayenebulad

gamoacxada sakaT. sabWom, magram

saqme ise aWianures, miabrunmoabrunes,

rom yvelas apaties

„danaSauli” da sam dekanozs sasaflaoze

meoTxe, _ winamZRvrad

dauniSna leonidma, es meoTxe dim.

xaxutaSvilia, romelic axalcixidan

mcxeTas iyo gadmoyvanili

„sveticxovlis aRsadgenad”, magram

exla wm. ninoze gadmoiyvana leonidma,

winamZRvrobidan Camoayena

dek. g. gamrekeli. yovel SemTxveva-

Si sasaflaos krebuli gamoZiebis,

saCivrebis da aTasgvar braldebebis

qveSe iyvnen. ai, am krebulidan

gamoayvanina kaTolikozs ToTiba-

Zem d. garsiaSvili, cicqiSvils

arc gaugia ise, mis adgilze gaumwesebia

veraze, xolo „manglelis”

Sesaxeb kaTolikozs werilobiTi

moxseneba Seatania sakaT. sabWoSi

da urbnisSi gadauZaxa, „manglels”

arc ki molaparakebia ise!..

ai, es moxseneba unda ganexilaT

13 ivnisis sxdomaze sakaT. sabWos.

am moxsenebam sastiki winaaRmdegoba

gamoiwvia „manglelis” mxriv _

man iukadrisa aseTi mopyroba, ase

moulodnelad gadamweseba misi iq,

sadac ar amoirCia is urbnisis

saeparqio krebam! gaimarTa sabWo-

Si am Taobaze kamaTi, cicqiSvils

mxari dauWira Turme kekeliZem,

Seiqna erTi mixla-moxla da ro

dainaxes, rom es sakiTxi gamwvavda

sabWoSi, is Semdeg sxdomisaTvis gadasdes

da sxva morig saqmeze gadasulan.

am dros avtomobili

mouyenebiaT sakaT. sabWos darbazisaTvis,

amosulan zemoT da

ukiTxavT: „kaTolikozi sad aris?

mas kote cincaZe ibarebso” (es

„Cekis” Tavmjdomarea _ komunisti!).

es moaxsenes kaTolikozs,

xolo kote cincaZis gagonebaze

iseTi Tavzari dascemia yvelas,

rom eniT gamouTqmeli, damfrTxalan

im zomazed, rom am ucnob or

axalgazrdas arc ki mohkiTxes ka-

Tolikozis „CekaSi” gawvevis werilobiTi

mandati! erTi xuTi wuTiT

mogviTmineTo, _ mxolod es mouxerxebia

kaTolikozs, gamouxuravs

kari da erTmaneTisaTvis SeuxedniaT

sakaT. sabWos wevrebs. „ariqa,

exlave davamtkicoT „mangleli”

urbnelad, mmarTvel episkoposad,

kaTolikozi iqneb aRar gamouSvan

da raRa gveSvelebao”, _ wamouZaxia

k. kekeliZes! sul yvelas Tanxmoba

ganucxadebia, TviT „manglelic”

saxtad darCenila da, Seqmnil

STabeWdilebebis qveS, isic daTanxmebula.

„kaTolikozs akankalebuli

xeliT davamtkicebieT amis

Sesaxeb oqmio”!

Semdeg kaTolikozi gamarTula

CekistebTan, uTxovnia maTTvis,

neba miboZeT, Cems binaze Sevide

cota xniTo, maTac neba miuciaTo,

kaTolikozs Tvisi qali daumSvidebia,

gamosTxovebia, CausvamT

avtomobilSi da gauqanebiaT! avtomobilSi

Cajdoma kaTolikoz-

Tan dauvalebiaT niko TavdgiriZisaTvis,

magram Cekistebma ar

Caijines, uTxres: „am naxevar saaT-

Si ukanve moviyvanT Tqvens kaTolikozsao!..”

mandati ki mainc

aravis mouTxovnia!

kaTolikozis „CekaSi” wayvanis

ambavi gamagebia Cemma simamrma, dek.

z. lukaSvilma. am dros Cems binaze

iyvnen sionis kandelaki dek. mix.

fxalaZe da dek. ioseb CijavaZe!

isini maSinve gavidnen, male mec

ukan gavyevi. mivel sabWos sxdomis

oTaxSi da iq damixvda Semdegi suraTi:

grZels magidas, udedo wiwilebiviT,

daRonebulni da

SeSinebulni Semosxdomoden: „mangleli”

qristefore, dekanozebi

wevrni sabWoisa: tyemalaZe, cincaZe

da mirianaSvili, k. kekeliZe;

TavdgiriZe ukve wasuliyo qalaq-

Si, raTa sazogadoebisaTvis ecnobebia

momxdari ambavi; maT garda

damixvdnen: dekanozebi _ SublaZe,

lazriSvili da fxalaZe.

mivedi magrad, mivesalme, yvelani

TiTqos sibralulis TvaliT micqeroden,

egonaT, rom vinaidan

gazeTebSi kaTolikozis TanaSemwed

gamomacxades, mec male dami-

Werden! bevrsac sxvebsac ase egonaT!

me, marTali rom vsTqva,

srulebiT ar SemSinebia. SevekiTxe

iq myofT: „ra sabuTiT gaataneT

kaTolikozi, Cekistebma waiyvanes

da ara vinme SantaJistebma Tqo? xo

SesaZlebelia am droSi aseTi saqme

gviyon Tqo an icnobdiT vinme

Tqvengani erTs CekistTagans mainc

Tqo”? _ arao, _ mipasuxes, davibeniT,

es veRar movigoneT, Secdoma

dauSviTo! sad aris mdivani kaTolikozisa

d. daviTaSvili Tqo, _

vikiTxe! _ avaT gaxda, gaacia da

Cawvao! _ mipasuxes! ai, „gaWirebis

talkvesebi”, _ vifiqre me da

moujeqi gverdiT sxvebs da velodiT

„kaTolikozis dabrunebas”!

Sesrulda xuTi saaTi da aravi-

Tari ambavi ar vicodiT! isic ki

aravin icoda Tu saiT mxareze gaatares

kaTolikozi, metexisaken Tu

„CekaSi” _ petre didis quCisken! ka-

Tolikozi waiyvanes SuadRis pirvelis

naxevarze, ukve xuTi saaTi

Sesrulda da ara vicodiT ra! winadadeba

Sevitane, gaugzavnoT „CekaSi”

kaTolikozs sadili diak. anton

lazriSvilis da miss keleinikis

xeliT, eseni ikiTxaven, ambavs

mainc gaigeben _ iq aris Tu ara.

gavgzavneT sadili, miutaniaT kariskacTan,

erT ganyofilebaSi ukiTxavT,

aq ar ariso, meoreSi, arc

aq ariso, aRmoCnda mesame ganyofilebaSi,

magram sadili ar miuRiaT,

jer dakiTxva ar dasrulebula

da sadils ver miviRebTo. gamoubrunebiaT

es kacebi ukan. Cven yvelani

ukve waved-wamovediT Cvens-

Cvens binaze im azriT, rom kaTolikozi

daapatimres da amaRam sxvebsac

mohkideben xels; saRamos 8 1/

2 saaTze gavgzavne kaci da moitana

ambavi, rom kaTolikozi avtomobiliT

isev moiyvaneso.

(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)

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belarusi TbilisSi

8 oqtombers qarTuli fexbur-

Tis istoriaSi erT-erTi mTavari

matCi gaimarTeba. erTa ligis naxevarfinalSi

TbilisSi, saqarTvelos

erovnuli nakrebi belarusisas

umaspiZlebs.

gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSi erTi

nabijiRa dagvrCeba did miznamde

_ evropis Cempionatis finalur

etapamde. aseTi ram xom ausrule-

bel ocnebad darCa ramdenime Taobas,

axlandels ki, uefas wyalobiT,

realuri Sansi gauCnda.

ras warmoadgens dRevandeli

belarusis nakrebi? ase vTqvaT:

daaxloebiT Cveni donis gundia.

oRond, qarTvelebisgan gansxvavebiT,

fizikurad Zlieri. ai, ostatobis

ki ra mogaxsenoT.

maTi 54 wlis mwvrTneli, mixail

marxeli, jer kidev sabWoTa kav-

Siris Cempionatidan gvaxsovs. ZiriTadad

minskis „dinamodan”. didi

veraferi Tavdamsxmeli iyo.

mwvrTnelobas am saukunis dasawyisidan

mohkida xeli. erTi xani

qveynis asakobriv nakrebebs avarjiSebda.

talantebs eZebda. 2019

wlis 20 ivniss ki erovnuli gundis

Tavkacad gaamweses. ver vityviT,

rom mis daniSvnas gulSematkivrebi

sixaruliT Sexvdnen, magram Sansi

misces.

marxels bevri arc araferi Seucvlia.

misi xelmZRvanelobiT Te-

Trma frTebma 10 matCi gamarTes, 4

moiges, 1 fred daasrules da 5

waages.

belarusebs, qveynis struqturidan

gamomdinare, bevri legioneri

ar hyavT. ZiriTadad ruseTsa

da yazaxeTSi TamaSoben. nakrebis

sabazo gundi ki borisovis batea.

mogexsenebaT, Tveze metia, belarusSi

moqmedi prezidentis, aleqsandr

lukaSenkos winaaRmdeg aqciebi

mimdinareobs. 98-ma adgilobrivma

fexburTelma ki xeli moawera

gancxadebas Zaladobis winaaRmdeg.

borjRalosnebis mTavarma mwvrTnelma levan maisaSvilma

Semodgomis pirveli ori test-matCisTvis gafarToebuli Semadgenloba

daasaxela.

SegaxsenebT: saqarTvelos nakrebi 23 oqtombers edinburg-

Si, „marifildze” Sotlandiis nakrebs eTamaSeba, xolo 1-l

noembers ragbi evropis Cempionatis gadadebul SexvedraSi

ruseTs TbilisSi umaspinZlebs. am matCebisTvis sul 38 moragbe

moemzadeba, romelTagan 22 morkinali da 16 xazis moTamaSea.

14 noembridan borjRalosnebi „Semodgomis erTa TasSi” CaerTvebian,

sadac 14 noembers ingliss, 21 noembers uelss, 29

noembers irlandias da 5 dekembers meore jgufis erT-erT

gunds (safrangeTi, Sotlandia, italia, fiji) eTamaSebian.

„gamoZaxebulia yvela, vinc am etapisTvis mzadaa da visi

saqmeSi xilvac minda. regulaciebidan gamomdinare, SotlandiasTan

matCamde es sia Semcirdeba da safrangeTSi Sekrebaze

32-33 moragbe gveyoleba. aris poziciebi, sadac jer kidev

ar CamovyalibebulvarT, vin miiRebs monawileobas pirvel or

TamaSSi. „Semodgomis erTa TasisTvis” gafarToebuli Semadgenlobis

birTvi igive iqneba. SesaZloa, iyos mcire cvlilebebi”,

_ ganacxada SemadgenlobasTan dakavSirebiT levan

maisaSvilma.

edinburgSi saqarTvelos nakrebi TamaSamde sami dRiT adre

Cava.

Serkineba:

mixeil nariaSvili (monpelie, 61 kepi, 10 qula), guram gogi-

CaSvili (rasing 92, 14, 5), leqso yaulaSvili (bordo, 0), Salva

mamukaSvili (lesTer Taigersi, 74, 50), jaba bregvaZe (uklubo,

58, 20), giorgi WyoiZe (lokomotiv-penza, 11, 5), levan CilaCava

(monpelie, 54, 50), beqa gigaSvili (tuloni, 14, 5), giorgi meliqiZe

(stad franse, 19, 5); kote miqautaZe (uklubo, 64, 10), nodar

WeiSvili (aia, 25, 0), daviT gigauri (tarbi, 6, 5), grigor

qerdiyoSvili (lelo, 2, 5), laSa jaiani (armazi, 2, 0), giorgi

javaxia (oriaki, 1, 0); beqa gorgaZe (bordo, 27, 40), beqa saRinaZe

(oriaki, 12, 5), oTar giorgaZe (brivi, 25, 25), giorgi TxilaiSvili

(baTumi, 57, 60), mixeil gaCeCilaZe (enisei, 10, 10), Tornike

jalaRonia (biarici, 1, 0), ioane iaSaRaSvili (baioni, 0);

xazi:

vasil lobJaniZe (brivi, 51, 40), gela afrasiZe (monpelie,

25, 24), mixeil alania (oriaki, 0); Tedo abJandaZe (brivi, 15,

102), laSa xmalaZe (baTumi, 83, 53); merab SariqaZe (uklubo, 66,

62), giorgi kveselaZe (armazi, 24, 20), deme TaflaZe (lelo, 2,

5), laSa malaRuraZe (vva, 99, 198), Tamaz mWedliZe (ruani, 57,

35), sandro svaniZe (armazi, 0); akaki tabucaZe (lelo, 2, 25),

sandro Todua (baTumi, 85, 70), zurab ZnelaZe (aia, 11, 15); soso

maTiaSvili (akademia, 27, 152), daviT niniaSvili (xvamli, 0).

razmi

mzadaa

mesim biWebi

gaiyola

axlovdeba sanakrebo TamaSebi da leo

mesim Tavisi kerZo TviTmfrinavis kari

espaneTSi moTamaSe argentinel Tanagun-

delebsac gauRo. mesis TviTmfrinaviT

buenos airesamde imgzavrebs agreTve misi

axlo megobari, „barselonas” mier „atle-

tikoSi” gaSvebuli urugvaeli luis

suaresi.

argentina msoflios 2022 wlis Cempi-

onatis SesarCev Sexvedrebs 9 oqtombers

Sin ekvadorTan da 14 oqtombers stum-

rad boliviasTan marTavs. urugvai 9-Si

Ciles maspinZlobs, xolo 14-Si ekvadors

miemarTeba.

evropaSi moTamaSe fexburTelebs

mSobliuri kontinentisken mgzavroba

kovid 19-is pandemiam gaurTula. maT

mTeli rigi regulaciebisa da procedurebis

dacva uwevT, amitom mesis TviT-

mfrinavi saqmis mniSvnelovani gaiolebaa.

kapitanma samSobloSi 6 kaci gaiyola...

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maiamis damangrevlebi

NBA-s superfinaluri seria „los-anjeles

leikersis” upiratesobiT mimdinareobs. kaliforn-

ielebma meore matCic mouges „maiami hits” (124:114)

da meCvidmete tituls miuaxlovdnen. marTalia,

„leikersma” Semdeg waago da „maiamim” seriaSi angariSi

Seamcira, magram mainc calke saTqmel-aRsani-

Snia leikerseli lebron jeimsisa da entoni devi-

si Cauqoba.

es dueti saocrebebs sCadis. ager, jeimsma erTi

unikaluri rekordi gaimeora saocar statistikas

isic daemata, rom „maiamisTan” meore Sexvedra-

Si erTi dakargvac ar hqonia. msgavsi ram bolos

da erTaderTxel 1987 wels mejiq jonsons hqonda

(29 qula, 13 pasi, 0 dakargva). aq saubaria kalaT-

burTelebze, romlebic finalSi minimum 20 qulas

agrovebdnen.

devisi gaxda mexuTe kalaTburTeli, romelmac

finaluri seriis sawyis or matCSi minimum 30 qula

daagrova. amiT SeuerTda kevin durants (2012),

maikl jordans (1991), riki berisa (1967) da hali

grirus (1967).

devisi mexuTea im kalaTburTelebs Soris, 30

qula ormagi dubliTa da srolis 75%-iani

maCvenebliT rom daasrula. am komponentiT ki entoni

Sakil onilis, kevin makheilis, lari biord-

isa da qarim abdul jabaris kampaniaSi gaeria.

jeimsi da devisi gaxdnen pirvelebi kobi bra-

iantisa da Sakol onilis Semdeg, romlebmac erT

matCSi 30 qulaze meti aiRes. „leikersis” legend-

ebma igive 2002 wels gaaxerxes.

reitingSi farerebTan

cnobilia, rom uefa evroturnirebze adgilebs misive koeficientebis

cxriliT anawilebs, qveynis adgili ki reitingSi bolo xuTi wlis

SedegebiT ganisazRvreba yovel wels xuTi wlis winandeli Sedegi uqmdeba,

axali emateba da jamuri Sedegi dgeba.

axla yvelaze saintereso: saqarTvelos klubebis koeficienti gasul

wlebSi aseTi iyo: 2016/2017 1.250; 2017/2018 0 125; 2018/2019 1 625; 2019/

2020 2.250; 2020/2021 1.750

wleuls oTxma qarTulma klubma jamurad 7 qula gamoimuSava. aqedan

3.5 „lokomotivisaa”, 2,5 Tbilisis „dinamosi”, 0.5-0.5 ki „baTumisa” da

„saburTalos” wilia.

jamurad gamomuSavebuli 7 qula evroturnirebSi monawile gundebis

raodenobaze iyofa. 7:4=1.750. swored es qula daemata saqarTvelos uefas

reitingSi.

uaresic gvinaxavs, magram es naklebia, vidre SarSandeli Sedegi. am

qulebiT saqarTvelo evropis 55 qveyanas Soris 43-e adgilzea.

informaciisTvis: farereli mwyemsebi da durglebi evroTasebze aseve

4 gundiT arian warmodgenilni, saqarTvelos jamuri 7 qulis sapirwoned

ki erTbaSad 11 gamoimuSaves da jerjerobiT reitingSi mxolod 4 adgiliT

CamogvrCebian. jerjerobiT…

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„hondas~ Sokismomgvreli gancxadebis

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„honda~ formula 1-Si 2015 wels,

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ise saxarbielo Sedegebis gamo maTi gzebi

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SeuerTdnen, mere ki _ Red Bull-s.

TiTqmis 3-wliani TanamSromlobis Semdeg

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formula 1-Si mxolod 3 Zravis mwarmoebeli

kompania darCeba: mersedesi, ferari

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Cveni siamayis, vitali daraselias

qaliSvilma kristinam ramdenime

dRis win erTob moulodneli

Sinaarsis Setyobineba miiRo.

vinme anibal martinesma gamogzavna

vitali daraselias msoflio

1982 wlis Cempionatis droindeli

saTamaSo maisuris fotosuraTi da

ai, ra istoria moayola.

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Tavis pirvel matCSi sabWo-

Ta kavSiris nakrebma zegundad miCneul

brazilias uSeRavaTo brZola

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SexvedraSi ssrk-s nakrebis sastarto

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Tveli fexburTeli TamaSobda: Tengiz

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Juniors gaucvala.

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msoflio fexburTis istoriis

muzeumi, romlis eqsponatebs

Soris iqneba vitalis xsenebuli

maisurac. aRmoCnda, rom Juniori

mTeli es 38 weli vitalis maisuras

inaxavda da muzeumma es rariteti

piradad 66 wlis brazilielisgan

SeiZina.

aqve senior martinesma kristinas

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maisurasa da TviT am gacvlis

Sesaxeb saerTod araferi smeniaT.

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am eqsponats, magram Junioris

maisura ojaxSi arasdros gvqonia

da zogadad am istoriis Sesaxeb

axla pirvelad gavigeT. albaT mamam

maleve aCuqa vinmes, an saerTod

ver Camoitana espaneTidan”, gvi-

Txra kristinam.

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bolo 20 wlis manZilze

pirvelad moxda, rom

parizSi, „rolan ragosis”

mervedfinalSi is CogburTelebi

gavidnen, rom-

lebic reitingSi aseuls

miRma arian. wlevandel

turnirze es erTbaSad

orma CogburTelma moax-

erxa 117-e Coganma, Cexma

barbora kreiCikovam da

131-e Coganma, argentinel-

ma nadia podoroskam.

aRsaniSnavia isic, rom

mervedfinalSi isini erT-

maneTs xvdebian, ase rom,

erT-erTi maTgani aucileblad

gava meoTxedfi-

nalSi.

msgavsi moxda 2000

wels, maSin mervedfinal-

Si erTmaneTs Sexvdnen

rosana de los riosi da

marta marero, romelic

meoTxedfinalSi gavida.

sensaciebi parizSi

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kviris horoskopi

verZi

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vinc Tqveni cxovrebis gzaze aRmoCndeba,

gulwrfeli rodi iqneba Tqven mimarT.

kuro

problemebi, romlebic didi xania tvir-

Tad gawevT, sabolood mogvardeba ise, rom

Tqven arafris gakeTeba dagWirdebaT. Tqveni

piradi cxovrebis Sesaxeb jer nu

isaubrebT da informacias nu gaavrcelebT:

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gegmebis sxvebisTvis gacnoba, gansakuTrebiT

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tyupi

pozitiuri cvlilebebi geliT! didi xania

maTken iswrafviT da axla mSvidad SegiZliaT

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dagicavT moulodneli xarjebisgan. SeecadeT

axla naklebi ifiqroT sakuTar Tavze

da meti – sxvebze.

kirCxibi

eWvebi gawamebT adre miRebul gadawyvetilebebTan

dakavSirebiT. daelodeT

niSans bedisgan! Zveli nacnobebi ise moulodnelad

SemoiWrebian Tqvens cxovrebaSi,

rom droc ki ar geqnebaT, raime moimoqmedoT,

magram varskvlavebi girCeven kavSirebi

daamyaroT. yuradReba miaqcieT Tqvens

janmrTelobas: avadmyofobis didi riski

arsebobs.

lomi

droa yvelaferi zedmeti moiSoroT.

saqme exeba binis generalur dasufTavebas.

ai samuSao ki umjobesia droebiT daiviwyoT:

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mosalodneli ar aris. axla SeiZleba araadekvaturi

iyoT kritikis mimarT, Tumca zogierTi

komentaris mosmena Rirs.

qalwuli

Tqvenma pedanturobam SeiZleba cudi

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ufleba da nu iqnebiT idealuri. yuradReba

miaqcieT kvebas: zedmeti kilogramebis „akrefa“

axla ufro advilia, vidre odesme. SabaT-kviras

daelodeT axal ambebs, savaraudod,

isini pozitiuri iqneba da gagaxarebT.

saswori

erTaderTi, rac am kviraSi xels SegiSliT,

Tqveni araorganizebulobaa. drois

ukmarisoba SegawuxebT da Sexvedrebze dagagviandebaT

kidec. SabaT-kviras gaakeTeT

raime TqvenTvis sasiamovno. bavSvebs axla

meti yuradReba unda miaqcioT: maT rTuli

periodi aqvT.


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze

yovelkvireuli

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari

pirveli gverdi:

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ;

meore-mesame gverdebi:

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Sida gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;

bolos wina gverdi:

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bolo gverdi:

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maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _

1000 sm 2;

reklama CanarTis saxiT:

A3 3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;

A4 4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)

kviris horoskopi

morieli

Tqveni warmateba axla imazea damokidebuli,

Tu ramdenad miaqcevT yuradRebas

wvrilmanebs. kargad daukvirdiT Tqvens

siaxloves myof adamianebs, maT Sorisaa is

pirovneba, romelic Tqven mimarT gulgrili

ar aris. naTesavebi problemebs Segiqmnian.

sxva ra gza gaqvT?! – unda moagvaroT!

mSvildosani

nu gagikvirdebaT: bevri sazrunavi gamogiCndebaT.

am periodis ganmavlobaSi varskvlavebi

ar girCeven sahaero mogzaurobas.

zogierTi mSvildosani arsebul samuSaos

ufro perspeqtiuli samsaxuriT Seicvlis.

nu miajindebiT Zvels, SeecadeT sakuTari

TavisTvis axali horizontebi dasaxoT.

Txis rqa

gadaxedeT Tqvens garderobs. garda

amisa, ukve droa SeiZinoT iseTi ram, riTac

irgvlivmyofebis yuradRebas miipyrobT. es

periodi SeiZleba mosawyeni mogeCvenoT, magram

Tavad SegiZliaT gaamravalferovnoT

da gaaxalisoT sakuTari cxovreba. nebismieri

mogzauroba da megobrebTan Sexvedra

rekomendebulia, isini energiiT gavseben.

merwyuli

megobrebi dagexmarebian Tqveni niWis

gamovlenaSi, magram fulis sakiTxebSi nacnobebis

imedi nu geqnebaT. ukeTesia naklebi

daxarjoT, sesxs ki nu aiRebT. samuSao

kviris bolos SeiZleba daRliloba igrZnoT,

magram ukve SabaT-kviras mas pozitiuri

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Tevzebi

Tu am kviraSi sizarmacesa da dasvenebas

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dakavSirebiT raime operacia ganaxorcieloT:

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samagierod SopingisTvis es kvira saukeTeso

droa!

1 aSS dolari

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3.7623

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4.1452

100 rusuli rubli

4.0790

amindi

samSabaTi

oTxSabaTi

xuTSabaTi

paraskevi

SabaTi

kvira

orSabaTi

Tbilisi

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17-19 0

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quTaisi

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24-26 0

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baTumi

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mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)

marsagiSvili Sorena 599 92 16 22

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55

injgia nene 591 71 39 98

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deviZe daviT

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Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10

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