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gamodis samSabaTobiT N27 (329) 3.11

11.20

.2020

fasi 2 lari

valeri gelbaxiani:

gv. 4

`Tu gavCumdebiT,

putinisa da

lukaSenkos

momavali

gvelis!~

arCevnebi

gayalbebulia

gv. 2!

gv. 6

vaxuSti menabde:

`parlamentis

uflebamosilebis

cnobis sakiTxi

kiTxvis niSnis

qveS ar dadgeba!~

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nino goguaZe:

ìvaniSvilma

arCevnebs

saerTod

gamoacala

Sinaarsi!~

gv. 8

mirian mirianaSvili:

`dasavleTi

saakaSvilis

politikaSi

dabrunebis

winaaRmdegia~

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arCevnebi

tiis monawileobiT gaixsneba da mTavrobis

damtkicebac martos mouwevs,

esec im SemTxvevaSi, Tu opoziciam „ocneba”

parlamentis SenobaSi SeuSva!

istorias uyvars paralelebi:

2003 welsac noemberi idga, arCevnebis

Sedegebis gasaprotesteblad quCaSi

pirveli mixeil saakaSvili gamovida,

aqcias 300-mde aqtivisti marTavda, saakaSvili

miRebuli 22%-is aRiarebas

iTxovda, SevardnaZis xelisufleba gajiqda,

Sedegad ki „vardebis revolucia”

miiRo!

opoziciis liderebi ukve Sexvdnen

euTo-odiris sadamkvirveblo misiis xelmZRvanelebs,

maT arCevnebis legitimaciaze

Zalian mkafio gzavnili gaaJR-

eliso kilaZe

599 17 12 12

2020-is saparlamento arCevnebSi qar-

Tvelma xalxma „qarTul ocnebas” mkafiod

uTxra _ ara!

arCevnebi gayalbda!

daanonsebuli 63%-is nacvlad „ocneba”

mxolod 48%-s dasjerda da isic administraciuli

resursis, quCis kriminalis,

amomrCevlis daSinebis, mosyidvis,

SantaJisa da oqmebis gadaweris xarjze!

saarCevno kampaniis mimdinareobisas

arsad gamoCenila biZina ivaniSvili, ken-

Wisyris wina dRes is gldanSi sakuTari

gamosvlis videoCanaweriT mivida da

Tavisi aqtivi mxolod ori winadadebiT

gaamxneva. arada, gldani apriori

wagebuli iyo, _ nika meliam ise moigo

yvela ubani, bolos „ocnebis” ceskomac

ki 50,50% dauwera.

„ocnebam” xelisuflebaSi yofnis rva

wlis Tavze moaxerxa, rom yvela moyvare

mtrad aqcia da politikur velze

mokavSireebis gareSe darCa!

parlamentSi Sesvlaze kategoriuli

uari ganacxada yvela opoziciurma partiam,

maT Soris, „patriotTa aliansma”

da „qarTulma marSmac”.

da pirvelad saqarTvelos politikuri

cxovrebis istoriaSi boikoti

aris erTsulovani da meaTe mowvevis

parlamentis sxdoma mxolod erTi par-

eres, _ legitimaciis sakiTxi qarTveli

xalxis gadasawyvetiao!

rusTavelis gamziri ukve saprotesto

aqciebis epicentrad gadaiqca. pirveli

gamafrTxilebeli aqcia arCevnebis

meore dResve gaimarTa, momdevno

saprotesto aqcia 8 noembers, kviras, 16

saaTzea daanonsebuli.

dRes bevrs daoben, SeuZlia Tu ara

parlaments Sekreba da ras gveubneba

amis Sesaxeb konstitucia. cifrebis

daTvlas arsebiTi mniSvneloba, albaT,

aRarc aqvs _ meaTe mowvevis parlamenti

xalxis arCeuli ar aris!

saqarTvelos konstitucia ambobs,

rom xelisuflebis wyaro aris xalxi!!!

xalxis arCevani moparulia!!!

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`Tu gavCumdebiT, putinisa da

marTalia, arsebobda molod-

giorgi abaSiZe

ini, rom „ocneba” arCevnebs gaayalbebda,

magram imas, rac moxda,

veravin warmoidgenda _ ceskom, cxadia, ivaniSvilis gun-

dis miTiTebiT, axali ariTmetika moigona, rac imas niSnavs,

rom, magaliTad, ubanze misuli amomrCevlisa da daTvlili

xmebis raodenoba erTmaneTs ar emTxveva. aseve iseTi oqme-

bic, rogorc amboben, mravladaa, romelsac beWedi ar aqvs.

kanonis Tanaxmad ki aseTi oqmi baTilad iTvleba, Tumca ra

dros kanonia, roca „ocneba” gansacdelSia!

erTi sityviT, Sedegebs mxolod „qocebi” aRiareben, danarCeni

politikuri speqtri ki arCevnebis aralegitimuroba-

ze saubrobs. sityva „aralegitimuri” aSS-is saelCos mier

gavrcelebul gancxadebaSi naxsenebi araa, Tumca diplomati-

uri uwyeba acxadebs, rom mosaxleobasa da partiebs Sedege-

bis gasaCivrebis ufleba aqvT.

„aSS-is saelCo miesalmeba amomrCevelTa

maRal aqtivobas

guSindel saparlamento arCevnebze

da kovid-19 pandemiis

drosac ki qarTveli xalxis

mier demokratiisadmi gamovlenil

erTgulebas. qveynis mas-

StabiT aTasobiT pasuxismgebliani

saarCevno muSaki da profesionali

sadamkvirveblo

jgufebi imsaxureben dafasebasa

da madlierebas saarCevno

yuTebTan amomrCevelTa xmis

gamoxatvis uflebis mxardasaWerad

gaweuli samuSaosTvis.

aSS-is saelCo iziarebs

euTo/odiris pirvelad Sefasebas,

rom „saqarTvelos saparlamento

arCevnebi konkurentul

garemosa da zogadad ZiriTadi

Tavisuflebebis dacviT Catarda.

amis miuxedavad, amomrCevlebze

zewolis Sesaxeb farTod

gavrcelebuli braldebebi da

mmarTvel partiasa da saxelmwifos

Soris sazRvris bundovaneba

saarCevno procesis zogierTi

aspeqtis mimarT sazogadoebis

ndobas amcirebda. Cven

movuwodebT yvela partias gaiTvaliswinos

aRniSnuli xarvezebi

meore turisa da Semdgomi

arCevnebisas”. saarCevno procesis

xelyofis es mcdelobebi:

amomrCevlis daSineba, mosyidva,

xmis micemis farulobis dar-

Rveva, partiuli da oficialuri

saqmianobis aramkveTri gamijvna

da saarCevno damkvirveblebsa

da Jurnalistebze Zaladoba,

miuxedavad imisa, rom

Sedegebis aralegitimurad

cnobisTvis ar aris sakmarisi,

ganagrZobs saqarTvelos saarCevno

procesis dazianebasa da

es miuRebelia.

Cven mxars vuWerT amomrCevlebisa

da partiebis mier arsebuli

samarTlebrivi procedurebis

gamoyenebas arCevnebTan

dakavSirebuli saCivrebis

warsadgenad. mniSvnelovania,

Sesabamisi saxelmwifo uwyebebis

mier arCevnebTan dakavSirebuli

yvela dasabuTebuli dar-

Rvevis miukerZoebeli gamoZieba

da saqarTvelos kanonmdeblobis

Sesabamisad saCivrebze

reagireba. sarwmuno saCivrebis

samarTlianad, gamWvirvaled da

droulad gadawyveta mniSvnelovania

imisTvis, rom qarTvel

xalxs hqondes ndoba arCevnebis

Sedegebis legitimurobis

mimarT.

SeerTebuli Statebi gaagr-

Zelebs arCevnebis mimdinareobaze

yuradRebiT dakvirvebas,

maT Soris, saCivrebis ganxilvaze,

apelaciis processa da

momdevno raundis kampaniaze.

Cven vTxovT saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs,

gamoiCinon moTmineba,

raTa procesi warimarTos

wynarad, mSvidobianad da pativiscemiT,

saqarTvelos kanonmdeblobasTan

da saerTaSoriso

standartebsa da praqtikasTan

SesabamisobaSi. yvela mxare valdebulia,

uzrunvelyos saarCevno

kodeqsis implementacia da

aRsruleba.

am arCevnebis wina periodSi

miRebul reformebSi gaTvaliswinebuli

iyo wina arCevnebze

dafiqsirebuli zogierTi xarvezi.

Cven movuwodebT momdevno

mowvevis parlaments, gaataros

damatebiTi reformebi im

xarvezebis aRmosafxvrelad,

rac aRniSnulia odiris saarCevno

SefasebebSi. rogorc yovelTvis,

SeerTebuli Statebi

ganagrZobs saqarTvelos Zalisxmevis

mxardaWeras, gaaumjobesos

saarCevno procesi da aa-

Senos ufro Zlieri demokratia”,

vkiTxulobT aSS-is sael-

Cos gancxadebaSi, romelic bevrma

2003 wlis nomebris arCevnebis

win maSindeli elCis, mailsis

gancxadebas Seadara, Tumca

Cveni respondenti, iuristi

valeri gelbaxiani, am or

gancxadebas Soris paralels

ver avlebs.

amasTan, valeri gelbaxians

vkiTxeT, Tu ra SemTxvevaSi dadgeba

axali parlamentis legitimuroba

eWqveS da rogor unda

daarwmunos opoziciam saer-

TaSoriso sazogadoeba, rom

„ocnebam” arCevnebi gaayalba?

„yvelaferi imazea damokidebuli,

opozicia permanentul

aqciebs ramdenad gauZlebs”,

_ ambobs batoni gelbax-

iani da imasac gvixsnis, Tu

ramdeni deputatia saWiro,

rom axali parlamentis ufle-

bamosileba iqnes cnobili.

_ batono valeri, opozi-

cia, arsebuli informaciiT,

valeri gelbaxiani:

`mxolod

laparakiT da

lai-laiT

arCevnebis

gayalbebas aravin

daijerebs!~

arCevnebis Sedegebs ar cnobs,

rac imas niSnavs, rom saparlamento

mandatebs boikots ucx-

adebs. es ras niSnavs, anu Tu

boikoti parlamentSi arSesvlaa,

maSin gvaxsovs, Tavis dro-

ze, parlamentSi leiboristebi

ar Sevidnen, magram isini dep-

utatebi mainc iyvnen...

_ amas sxva procedura da samarTlebrivi

safuZvlebi aqvs.

_ kerZod?

_ jer saboloo Sedegebi da

meore turis TariRi unda vicodeT.

amas jer _ olqebSi,

mere _ cesko-Si, bolos ki sasamarTloSi

saCivrebi mohyveba.

sanam es procedurebi ar amoiwureba,

legitimurobis sakiTxi

ver dasruldeba. zogadad, legitimuroba

konstituciasTan

SesabamisobaSi kanonierebaa, magram

legitimacia proceduraa.

_ anu?

_ yvela proceduris gavlis

Semdeg dRis wesrigSi dgeba mandatebis

cnobis sakiTxi. Tu opozicia

arc meore turSi miiRebs

monawileobas da arc _ parlamentis

pirvel SekrebaSi, es

imas niSnavs, rom parlaments

Semadgenlobis ori mesamedi ar

eyoleba, anu parlamentis uflebamosileba

rom dadasturdes,

arCeuli wevrebis 2/3 mainc

unda iyos.

_ da es 2/3 ramdeni manda-

tia?

_ 101. mokled, Tu 101 deputati

araa, aseT SemTxvevaSi axali

parlamenti Semdgarad ver

CaiTvleba da saqmianobas Zveli

manamde agrZelebs, sanam deputatebis

raodenoba 2/3-mde ar

Seivseba. im SemTxvevaSi ki, Tu

es raodenoba ver ivseba, morigi

arCevnebi iniSneba.

_ morig arCevnebs preziden-

ti niSnavs?

_ ra Tqma unda.

_ opozicia ambobs, rom me-

ore turSi monawileobas ar

`Tu 101 deputati araa, aseT SemTxvevaSi axali

parlamenti Semdgarad ver CaiTvleba da

saqmianobas Zveli manamde agrZelebs, sanam

deputatebis raodenoba 2/3-mde ar Seivseba. im

SemTxvevaSi ki, Tu es raodenoba ver ivseba,

morigi arCevnebi iniSneba~

miiRebs...

_ Tu meore turSi monawileobas

ar miiRebs, es imas niSnavs,

rom opozicia arCevnebs ar aRiarebs

da, Sesabamisad, parlamentSic

ar Sedis. Tu mandatebi ar

gadasces, adamiani arCeulad

iTvleba, magram ara _ parlamentis

wevrad, anu parlamentma

Tavisi Semadgenlobis 2/3 unda

daamtkicos, raTa sakanonmdeblo

organom funqcionireba daiwyos.

davuSvaT, mandatebi gauqmda.

es mdgomareoba gamoiwvevs

Tu ara vadamdeli arCevnebis

danSvnas? _ ai, axla saubari

amazea.

_ Tqven mier dasmul kiTx-

vaze pasuxi rogoria?

_ imis regulacia, rom mandatebis

gauqmeba vadamdel arCevnebs

gamoiwvevs, konstituciaSi

calsaxad araa, magram unda

vivaraudoT, rom ase iqneba.

_ batono valeri, davakonkretoT:

Tu meore turSi monawileoba

erTma opozicionermac

ar miiRo, amiT ra Seicv-

leba?

_ 30-ve mandats „ocneba”

waiRebs.

_ am SemTxvevaSi „ocneba” 101

deputats, anu 2/3 Seagrovebs,

raTa parlamentis legitimacia

moaxdinos?

_ mgoni, vera.

_ e. i., sakanonmdeblo orga-

nos gareSe davrCebiT?

_ ara.

_ aba?

_ gasagebad giTxariT, rom

konstituciis Tanaxmad, aseT

dros Zveli parlamenti muSaobas

iqamde agrZelebs, sanam mandatebi

2/3-mde ar Seivseba da

Tu ar Seivseba, maSin prezidenti

vadamdel arCevnebs niSnavs.

_ prezidenti vadamdels

daniSnavs?

_ Tu ar daniSnavs, axali parlamenti

mainc ver imuSavebs,

magram Zveli muSaobas sadamde

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lukaSenkos momavali gvelis!~

gaagrZelebs? _ bolos da bolos,

aralegitimuri iqneba.

_ ratom?

_ verc mTavrobas daakompleqtebs

da, saerTod, verafers

SeZlebs.

_ ise, dasavleTis qveynebma

„ocnebas” gamarjveba ar miu-

loces...

_ alievma miuloca.

_ ki batono, magram alievi

msoflio demokratiis Wipi

araa... ai, magaliTad, aSS-is

saelCom gancxadeba ki gaavrcela,

romelSic misaloci sityvebi

namdvilad ar aris... sa-

magierod, xazgasmulia, mxars

vuWerT amomrCevlebisa da

partiebis mier arsebuli sa-

marTlebrivi procedurebis

gamoyenebaso...

_ mec xom es vTqvi, anu igive

aSS-is saelCo mxars uWers, rom

opoziciam oqmebi saolqoSi,

cesko-sa da sasamarTloSi

gaasaCivros.

_ batono valeri, aSS-is ax-

landeli gancxadeba „vardebis

revoluciis” win mailsis gakeTebuli

gancxadebis iden-

turia?

_ ar mgonia.

_ ratom?

_ sanam opozicia odir-s mtkicebulebebis

uzarmazar masas

ar miutans, aravin arafers

daijerebs, Torem cesko da

sasamarTloc saCivrebs rom ar

daakmayofilebs, es axlave cnobilia

_ „ocnebas” cesko da sasamarTloc

gavlenis qveS hyavs,

magram aSS-is saelCo rom xar

da dokuments mogitanen, ai, batono,

TavSic gayalbebulia da

boloSic, ras uyureb, maincdamainc,

sasamarTlom unda Tqvas?

adeqi da Sen Tqvi, _ vnaxe

dokumenti, romelic gayalbebuliao...

am SemTxvevaSi aSS-is

saelCo sasamarTlocaa da verdiqtic,

magram Tu dokumentebi

ar miutanes, arafers ityvis.

_ Tqveni azriT, opozicias

aseTi dokumentebi aqvs?

_ laparakiT da lai-laiT,

arCevnebi gayalbdao, aravin daijerebs,

magram xaTuna gogoriSvils

movusmine, es dokumen-

`sanam opozicia odir-s mtkicebulebebis uzarmazar masas ar miutans, aravin

arafers daijerebs, Torem cesko da sasamarTloc saCivrebs rom ar

daakmayofilebs, es axlave cnobilia - òcnebas~ cesko da sasamarTloc

gavlenis qveS hyavs, magram aSS-is saelCo rom xar da dokuments mogitanen,

ai, batono, TavSic gayalbebulia da boloSic, ras uyureb, maincdamainc,

sasamarTlom unda Tqvas? adeqi da Sen Tqvi, - vnaxe dokumenti, romelic

gayalbebuliao... am SemTxvevaSi aSS-is saelCo sasamarTlocaa da verdiqtic,

magram Tu dokumentebi ar miutanes, arafers ityvis~

tebi maqvs da warmovadgeno.

analogiuri gancxadeba sxvebmac

gaakeTes. ase rom, molodini

aris, opoziciam es dokumentebi

„daaZros”!

sxvaTa Soris, erT-erTma

televiziam aCvena, komisiis

Tavmjdomare erTi oqmidan meoreSi

marto rogor wers. amas

sxva mtkicebuleba raRad unda?

_ kaci oqms marto avsebs, rac

kanoniT akrZalulia! amasTan,

erT-erTi ubnidan monacemebi

gamovida, romelsac beWedi ar

aqvs, magram CaTvlilia. amas

oqmi rogor unda davarqvaT?

_ batono valeri, ceskom

yvela ubani ukve daTvala da

am monacemebiT „ocnebas” 62

mandati aqvs, anu 30-ve samaJ-

oritaro olqi rom moigos, 101

mandats mainc ver agrovebs,

xom asea?

_ diax, asea da vnaxoT, ras

izams.

_ raRa unda qnas?

_ amas saCivrebi mohyveba.

_ erTi sityviT, politikur

krizisSi SevdivarT Tu ara?

_ ar vici, es politikosebma

unda gadawyviton.

_ batono valeri, Tqveni

azriT, „ocneba” aseT total-

ur gayalbebaze ratom wavida?

_ gayalbebaze rom ar wasuliyo,

aba, wagebas Seegueboda?

„ocneba” da argayalbeba

erTad rogor iqneba?

_ ar iqneba, magram dasavle-

Tis mainc ar SeeSinda?

_ roca Zalauflebas kargaven,

aravisi eSiniaT!

_ dRevandeli mocemulobiT

vadamdeli arCevnebi dainiSne-

ba?

_ es opoziciis nebisyofasa

da xalxis mxardaWerazea damokidebuli.

_ opoziciam Secdoma xom ar

dauSva, rom farTomasStabiani

aqcia 8 noembrisTvis gadado?

_ ara.

axalgazrda sportsmeni

sabediswero avariis Semdeg

srulad gamojanmrTelda

axalgazrda ragbistis cxovreba moulodneli cvlilebis

safrTxis winaSe aRmoCnda, rodesac 27 wlis

mamakaci avtosagzao SemTxvevaSi moyva. ugono mdgomareobaSi

myofi pacienti mravlobiTi dazianebiT Telavis

referalur hospitalSi Seiyvanes.

mdgomareobis sirTule diagnostikis procesSi

rogorc qirurgis, ise travmatologisa da reanimatologis

CarTulobas moiTxovda, vinaidan dazianebuli

iyo qala-tvini, filtvi, diafragmis orive gumbaTi

da muclis Rru. pacients aReniSneboda mravlobiTi

motexiloba da Tirkmlis mwvave ukmarisoba.

”mamakacis mdgomareoba imdenad kritikuli iyo,

_ ratom?

_ opoziciaSi erTi ki ara,

bevri partiaa. raRacebze ver

SeTanxmdnen da dro moiTxoves,

raTa naxon, darRvevebis simZime

rogoria da aseve arasamTavrobo

organizaciebis daskvnebi

moisminon. Tu mivlen im daskvnamde,

rom darRvevebi arsebi-

Ti xasiaTisaa da amis gamo ar-

Cevnebi unda gauqmdes, azrsac

gamoTqvamen, anu yvelaferi es

imas niSnavs, rom opozicia jer

Camoyalibebuli araa.

_ dRevandeli realoba 2003

wlis arCevnebis Semdgom Seqmnil

viTarebas xom ar gag-

onebT?

_ ara, maSin sxva mzaoba da

xalxSic sxva gancda iyo.

_ maSasadame, „ocneba” xeli-

suflebaSi mesame vadiT rCeba?

_ yvelaferi imazea damokidebuli,

opozicia permanentul

aqciebs ramdenad gauZlebs.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ ki amboben, parlamentSi ar

SevalTo, magram aba, warmoidgineT,

adamiani Tavs deputatad

Tvlis da axla, eubnebian,

ginda Tu ara, barikadze amodi

da mandatze uari Tqvio. es didi

cdunebaa, rasac SeiZleba,

bevrma ver gauZlos. erTi sityviT,

axla yvelaferi opoziciis

nebisyofazea damokidebuli.

_ opoziciidan cdunebas vin

SeiZleba, ver gauZlos?

_ yvela ambobs, gavZlebo da

vnaxoT, ra iqneba.

_ sxvaTa Soris, yvela amas

ar ambobs. ai, magaliTad, Tam-

ar CergoleiSvili miiCnevs,

rom boikots azri ar aqvs da

ras mogvcemso?!

_ boikoiti imas miscems, rom

TviTon da misi partiac polikurad

SeiZleba, gadarCnen!

Tu parlamentSi Sevida, rogorc

politikuri Zala, aRar

iarsebebs, anu rogorc ki parlamentis

kibeze moxvdeba, „evropuli

saqarTvelo” opozicionerobas

daasrulebs!

_ gamoricxavT, romelime

partias parlamentSi Sesvla

undodes, calkeul liders ki

gansxvavebuli azri hqondes da

amis gamo partia datovos?

_ CergoleiSvilma rac unda

weros, iq marto bokeria ar

wyvets. ugulavas movusmine da

misi gamosvla sul sxva konteqstSi

iyo. ase rom, marto erTi

qalis azrs ver daveTanxmebi...

_ im SemTxvevaSi, Tu „ocneba”

maSvel rgolad komendantis

saaTs, anu xelmeore „lo-

qdauns” gamoiyenebs, amiT

politikuri vnebebi Cacxreba?

_ ar mgonia.

_ ratom?

_ komendantis saaTi politikas

ver Secvlis, Tanac procedurebi

jer ar damTavrebula,

anu axla gardamavali periodia.

_ es ras niSnavs?

_ Zveli mTavroba droebi-

TiT icvleba, axali ar gvyavs.

isini, romlebmac axali mTavrobis

formireba unda moaxdinon,

amboben, arCevnebs ar vcnobTo.

gagrZeleba gv.

rom yovel wuTs gadamwyveti mniSvneloba hqonda,

amitom gamokvlevebis dasrulebisTanave is dauyovnebliv

saoperacio blokSi gadaviyvaneT. operacia

sakmaod rTuli da xangrZlivi gaxldaT, Tumca, sabednierod,

muclis Rrus dazianebebis aRdgenis Semdeg

pacientis mdgomareoba dastabilurda“, - ixsenebs

qirurgiuli mimarTulebis xelmZRvaneli, guram ZamunaSvili.

droTa ganmavlobaSi organoebis funqcionireba

srulad aRdga, reabilitaciis sruli da xangrZlivi

kursis Semdeg ki mamakaci sportul cxovrebas

daubrunda.

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2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis

Sedegs opozicia ar aRiarebs da arCevnebs aralegit-

imurs uwodebs. politikurma procesebma arCevnebidan meore

dRes quCaSi gadainacvla, opoziciam permanentuli aqciebi

daaanonsa da igi riggareSe arCevnebs moiTxovs. axla mTavari

kiTxvaa, ra moxdeba, Tu opozicia boikots gamoacxadebs da

mandatebze uars ityvis? amiT dadgeba Tu ara kiTxvis niSnis

qveS parlamentis uflebamosilebis cnobis sakiTxi da ra

SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba dainiSnos riggareSe arCevnebi?

konstitucionalisti vaxuSti

menabde socialur qselSi am

Temaze posts aqveynebs: „bevrma

ikiTxa: ra moxdeba, Tu opozicia

boikots gamoacxadebs da mandatebze

uars ganacxadebs? winaswar

vityvi, politikur legitimacias

ar eZRvneba es posti, samarTlebriv

nawilze vamaxvileb

yuradRebas.

konstituciis mixedviT: parlamenti

pirvel sxdomaze uflebamosilia

Seudges muSaobas, Tu

sxdomas eswreba sruli Semadgenlobis

umravlesoba. is uflebamosilebas

iZens wevrTa 2/3-is

uflebamosilebis cnobis momentidan.

parlamentis reglamentis

mixedviT pirvel sxdomaze ceskos

Tavmjdomare parlaments acnobebs

arCevnebis Sedegebs da

samandato komisias gadascems deputatTa

uflebamosilebis cnobisTvis

saWiro dokumentacias.

uflebamosilebis cnobis

Taobaze parlamentis dadgenilebaSi

(romelic ubralo umravlesobiT

miiReba) ar Seitaneba im

piris gvari, romlis parlamentis

wevrad arCevis kanoniereba:

a) gasaCivrebulia sasamarTloSi;

b) saeWvod miiCnia parlamentis

droebiTma samandato komisiam.

sakiTxs Seiswavlis parlamentis

droebiTi samandato komisia,

romelic amzadebs Sesabamiss

daskvnas da ganixilavs uaxloes

plenarul sxdomaze.

parlamenti uflebamosilebas

iZens parlamentis wevrTa sruli

Semadgenlobis ori mesamedis

uflebamosilebis cnobis momentidan.

es normebi aCvenebs, rom uflebamosilebis

cnoba arCeuli piris

statusTan SeuTavseblobas

exeba da ara mis survils, sabolood

daiWiros an ara deputatis

adgili.

amdenad, Tu arCevnebis Sedegebis

gaTvaliswinebiT opoziciam

uari ganacxada parlamentSi Sesvlaze,

amas mxolod politikuri

mniSvnveloba eqneba da ara _ samarTlebrivi.

parlamenti mainc

Seikribeba, Tundac 60 deputati

gadadges”, _ wers vaxuSti menabde.

ufro konkretulad, iyo Tu

ara 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebze iseTi darRvevebi, rac

arCevnebis aralegitimurobis sakiTxs

dRis wesrigSi daayenebs da

SesaZloa Tu ara, parlamentis

uflebamosileba ver cnon?

am Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+”

konstitucionalistsa

da

saqarTvelos

axalgazrda

iuristTa asociaciis warmomad-

genel vaxuSti menabdes esaubra:

_ opozicia 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebs aralegit-

imurs uwodebs, aqvT Tu ara maT

amis Tqmis samarTlebrivi safuZ-


veli?

_ opozicias sakuTari damkvirveblebi

da komisiis wevrebi

hyavda, Sesabamisad, Tavad ganmartavs,

ris safuZvelze ambobs amas.

Cveni poziciebi arCevnebis dRes

mTeli dRis ganmavlobaSi da

aseve meore dRes diliT gavacaniT

sazogadoebas, sadac visaubreT

im problemebsa da dar-

Rvevebze, romelic arsebobda _

iqneboda es proceduruli Tu

Sinaarsobrivi. sakmaod mkacri Sefasebebi

gvaqvs Cveni gadmosaxedidan

organizebulobis TvalsazrisiT.

es, albaT, erT-erTi

yvelaze cudi arCevnebi iyo,

romelic „qarTuli ocnebis”

pirobebSi Catarebula.

_ is darRvevebi da proble-

mebi, razedac Tqven saubrobdiT

arCevnebis dRes, arCevnebis le-

gitimurobas ayenebs eWvqveS?

_ mxolod es monacemebi ar

aris amisTvis sakmarisi, miuxedavad

imisa, rom sakmaod arasasiamovno

darRvevebi iyo. axla Cven

unda SevafasoT Sevsebuli oqmebis

xarisxi, unda SevadaroT

saitze atvirTuli da Cven mier

ubnebidan wamoRebuli oqmebi

erTmaneTs, amis Semdeg ufro metis

Tqmis SesaZlebloba gveqneba.

am etapze am kiTxvaze saboloo

pasuxisTvis saTanado informacias

ver vflobT.

_ opoziciuri partiis liderebi

acxadeben, rom mandatebze

uars amboben. im SemTxveva-

Si, Tu isini boikots gamoucxadeben

da uars ityvian mandatebze,

parlamentis uflebamosilebis

cnobis sakiTxi kiTx-

vis niSnis qveS dadgeba Tu ara?

_ ara, parlamentis uflebamosilebis

cnobis sakiTxi kiTxvis

niSnis qveS ar dadgeba imitom,

rom is 2/3, razedac iyo saubari,

exeba ubralod statusTan

SeuTavseblobebs da ara imas,

unda Tu ara konkretul pirs

parlamentSi yofna. mis uflebamosilebas

cnoben da Semdeg Tu

unda gadadges, magram amasobaSi

parlamenti ukve legitimuri

organo iqneba. konstituciaSi

weria, rom parlamenti uflebamosilia,

ndoba miiRos maSin, roca

mas 76 kaci eswreba. gadawyvetileba

miiReba ubralo umravlesobiT,

rac niSnavs, rom es unda

iyos damswreTa umravlesoba,

Tumca aranakleb _ 1/3-isa. aseve

parlamentis reglamentSi vkiTxulobT

imas, rom Tu 2/3-is uflebamosileba

ar dasturdeba, parlamenti

ver imuSavebs, Tumca

uflebamosilebis dadastureba

ukavSirdeba samandato komisiis

mier imis garkvevas, konkretuli

deputatis arCevis winaaRmdeg

arsebobs Tu ara samarTlebrivi

dava, rogor aris es dava gadawyvetili

da sxvadasxva SeuTavsebloba

xom ar aqvs, romelic ga-

Tvaliswinebulia aseve saqarTvelos

parlamentis reglamentiTa

vaxuSti menabde:

`parlamentis

uflebamosilebis

cnobis sakiTxi

kiTxvis niSnis

qveS ar dadgeba!~

ra SemTxvevaSi

SeiZleba dainiSnos

riggareSe

arCevnebi?!

`sakmaod mkacri Sefasebebi gvaqvs Cveni

gadmosaxedidan organizebulobis

TvalsazrisiT. es, albaT, erT-erTi yvelaze

cudi arCevnebi iyo, romelic `qarTuli

ocnebis~ pirobebSi Catarebula~

da konstituciiT.

_ im SemTxvevaSi, Tu arc erTi

opoziciuri politikuri partia

ar Seva parlamentSi, rogor

aisaxeba es saparlamento saqmi-

anobaze?

_ amiT saparlamento cxovreba

gaRaribdeba, radgan opoziciis

gareSe erTpartiuli parlamenti

sakmaod mosawyeni iqneba,

Tumca vnaxoT, ra gadawyvetilebas

miiReben.

_ opoziciam arCevnebis meore

dResve saprotesto aqciaze

riggareSe arCevnebis moTxovna

gaaJRera. ra SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba

dainiSnos uaxloes momaval-

Si riggareSe arCevnebi?

_ riggareSe arCevnebi Catardeba

im SemTxvevaSi, Tu axali

arCeuli parlamenti ndobas ver

gamoucxadebs mTavrobas. aseT

SemTxvevaSi prezidenti valdebuli

iqneba, riggareSe arCevnebi

daniSnos. Tu parlamentis gadawyvetileba

unariania, maSin riggareSe

arCevnebi ar tardeba. Tu

opozicia daiTanxmebs xelisuflebas

amaze, xelovnurad Caagdeben

premier-ministris kandidaturas

da ar daniSnaven mas,

gaimarTeba riggareSe arCevnebi.

_ saubris dasawyiss rom davubrundeT,

Tqven aRniSneT, rom:

„es iyo „qarTuli ocnebis” pi-

robebSi yvelaze cudad organi-

zebuli arCevnebi”. ufro konkretulad

rom gviTxraT, ra-

tom?

_ problema iyo daZabuli atmosfero,

romelic gavlenas axdenda

amomrCevlis qcevaze da

Cvenc gviSlida xels monitoringSi.

Zaladoba da amomrCevlis

nebis Tavisuflebis mimarTulebiT

dafiqsirebuli problemebi

ki arCevnebis dRis erT-erTi mTavari

maxasiaTebeli iyo. amas emateboda

saubno saarCevno komisiebis

araorganizebuloba, maT Soris,

pandemiis Sesakaveblad gamocemuli

wesebis aRsrulebis mimarTulebiT.

iyo negatiuri tendenciebi,

romelic ukavSirdeboda

amomrCevlis nebis gamoxatvis

kontrols, farulobis principis

darRvevas, markirebisa da

xmis micemis wesebis darRvevas,

aseve gadasatan yuTs da arauflebamosili

pirebis gadaadgilebas

ubnis teritoriaze. es iyo Ziri-

Tadi tendenciebi, aseve Zalian

cudi precedentebi moxda calkeul

ubnebze _ Cvens damkvirveblebs

SeezRudaT dakvirvebis

SesaZlebloba, ubnebsa da gare

perimetrze SeimCneoda arsebuli

daZabuli garemo, rac zogierT

SemTxvevaSi fizikur Zaladoba-

Sic gadaizarda. dafiqsirda

amomrCevlis savaraudo mosyidvis

faqtebi qarelsa da xaSurSi.

mniSvnelovani iyo is, rom dar-

Rvevis cikli gagrZelda ubnebis

daxurvis Semdegac, xmebis daTvlis

dros komisiebi balanss

droulad ver svamdnen. zogierT

SemTxvevaSi imaze meti biuleteni

iyo gacemuli, vidre es xelmoweriT

dasturdeboda. Cven sa-

CivrebiT mivmarTeT ceskos. pasuxebi,

jerjerobiT, cxadia, ar

iqneba. cudi iyo is, rom cesko-m

Zalian nela daiwyo Sedegebis

gamoqveyneba, ramac amomrCevel-

Si menipulaciis gancda gaaCina.

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2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebidan

meore dRes politikurma procesebma quCaSi gadainacvala.

opoziciuri politikuri partiebi am formiT gamox-

ataven arCevnebis SedegebTan dakavSirebiT protests da

arCevnebis legitimurobas ar aRiareben. rogorc opozi-

cioneri politikosebi acxadeben, isini parlamentSi Sesvlas

ar apireben da quCis aqciebs aanonseben. amis paralelurad ki

evropis sabWos saparlamento asambleis delegaciis xelmZRv-

anelma Tini koqsma ganacxada: „arCevnebis SedegebSi dResve

eWvis Setana ar aris ganviTarebuli demokratiis niSani”.

rogoria opoziciis samoqme-

do taqtika? ra konkretul

Sedegs moutans maT quCis

aqciebi? rogor gaiges opoziciaSi

evropis sabWos saparla-

mento asambleis delegaciis

xelmZRvanelis gancxadebebi?

am Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+~

„evropuli saqarTvelos” saarCevno

siis wevr nino goguaZ-

es esaubra:

_ qalbatono nino, daviwyoT

arCevnebis dRis SefasebiT, ro-

gor Caiara 31-ma oqtomberma?

_ es ar iyo arCevnebi, es iyo

biZina ivaniSvils specoperacia,

sadac man mosyidviT, daSinebiT,

kriminalebis mobilizaciiT,

ubnebze xmebis manipulaciiT

daiwera is Sedegi, rac mas undoda

da rasac Tavidanve acxadebdnen

„qarTuli ocnebis”

liderebi. es iyo warmoudgeneli

arCevnebi, miuxedavad imisa,

rom 2016 welsac biZina ivaniSvilma

raRac fokusi Caatara da

is arCevnebic, gansakuTrebiT

CvenTvis, „Tavisufali demokratebisTvis”

da kidev ramdenime

partiisTvis, namdvilad iyo gayalbebuli

arCevnebi. ivaniSvilma

Cven, ubralod, ar gagviSva

parlamentSi, miuxedavad imisa,

rom gadalaxuli gvqonda barieri.

dRevandeli arCevnebi aTmagad

ufro araTavisufali da

arasamarTliani iyo. ra Tqma

unda, es arCevnebi ar asaxavs

Cveni moqalaqeebis Tavisufal

nebas. madloba saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs,

_ am daSinebis, pandemiisa

da uimedobis pirobeb-

Sic ki amdeni adamiani gamovida

da Cven vxedavdiT, ramxela

rigebi idga saarCevno yuTebTan,

es adamianebi namdvilad imsaxureben

imas, rom icxovron

Tavisufal qveyanaSi da iyvnen

Tavisufali moqalaqeebi, romelTac

aqvT arCevanis ufleba.

biZina ivaniSvilma 31 oqtombers

am moqalaqeebs uTxra, rom: Tqven

arCevanis ufleba ar gaqvT, es

qveyana da saxelmwifo Cemia.

vfiqrob, rom ivaniSvilma arCevnebs

saerTod gamoacala Tavisi

Sinaarsi. es aris yvelaze saSi-

Si, radgan demokratiis mTavari

instrumenti gaxlavT arCevnebi

da moqalaqeebi swored arCevnebis

saSualebiT ayalibeben Tavis

xelisuflebas. biZina ivaniSvilma

guSin gviTxra, rom me imdeni

xniT viqnebi xelisuflebaSi,

ramdenic mindao, _ darwmunebuli

var, amas arc erTi politikuri

partia da rac mTavaria,

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi ar

Seeguebian.

_ winasaarCevno periodSi,

maT Soris, yvela kvlevaSi Canda,

rom mosaxleobis umravle-

sobas cvlilebebi surda.

rogor fiqrobT, opoziciam

saTanadod ver gamoiyeneT is

ganwyoba, rac sazogadoebaSi

iyo?

_ 31-ma oqtomberma aCvena:

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi, miuxedavad

nihilisturi ganwyobisa,

mainc movidnen saarCevno

yuTebTan. bevrs hqonda ganwyoba,

rom ivaniSvilis xelSi arCevnebiT

araferi icvleba, magram

mainc gamocxaddnen ubnebze.

rac mTavaria, am gayalbebuli

arCevnebiTac ki „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebam ver daiwera

50%, man daiwera 48%, anu

amomrCevlis 52%-ma biZina ivaniSvils

uTxra uari, maTi gayalbebuli

arCevnebiTac ki. ase

rom, absoluturad naTelia

qarTveli xalxis neba da is, rom

biZina ivaniSvilma es arCevnebi,

ubralod, miitaca.

_ opoziciurma speqtrma uk-

ve daaanonseT aqciebi, arCevne-

bidan meore dResve Cven vnaxeT

protesti rusTavelis gamzirze.

ra konkretul Sedegs mog-

itanT quCis protesti da ro-

goria Tqveni samoqmedo gegma?

_ Zalian bevri ram aris Sesa-

Tanxmebeli. ubralod Cven Tvi-

Tonve opoziciuri partiebi am

arCevnebs aralegitimurad vacxadebT.

cota uxerxuli mgonia,

opoziciuri partiebidan rogor

unda Sevides vinme aralegitimur

parlamentSi? simarTle

giTxraT, sxvebis nacvlad ver

visaubreb. „evropuli saqarTvelos”

SedegiT ver vxvdebi parlamentSi,

magram SemiZlia giTxraT,

rom me rom vyofiliyavi

gamsvlel eqvseulSi, am parlamentSi

piradad namdvilad ar

Sevidodi. aucilebelia gaimar-

Tos konsultacia im adamianebs

Soris, romlebic parlamentSi

xvdebian, radgan erTia politikuri

gadawyvetileba da meorea

am adamianebis pirovnuli

gadawyvetileba. ra Tqma unda,

Cven ar SegviZlia vinmes rame vubrZanoT,

yvelam unda gadadgas

Tavisi nabiji. amitom opozicia

unda iyos srul koordinaciaSi

erTmaneTTan, yvela SesaZlo

scenarisTvis unda iyos mzad.

maT Soris, roca vacxadebT, rom

aralegtimuria _ esec qmedeba-

Si unda aisaxos. ra Tqma unda,

opozicia iqneba erTiani da yvela

gadawyvetilebas erTad, Sejerebulad

miviRebT. rodesac

xalxs arCevans hparaven, maSin

ukve opoziciur politikur

partiebzec ar aris araferi

damokidebuli. xalxis nebaa, rom

mas hqondes arCevanis ufleba _

maTi neba miitaca xelisuflebam.

ar mgonia, rom am sruliad

arakompetenturma, susze, prokuraturaze,

Zalovnebsa da fulze

mdgarma xelisuflebam am

ryevebs gauZlos, miT umetes,

rodesac TiTqmis yvelasTvis

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naTelia, rom es arCevnebi gayalbda.

_ am nawilSi sagulisxmoa is,

rom samarTlebrivi Tval-

sazrisiT mandatebze uaris

Tqmas ar aqvs mniSvneloba, mx-

olod politikuri datvirTva

eqneba am nabijs. aqedan gamomdinare,

ra azri aqvs mandate-

bze uaris Tqmas?

_ swored amitom aris saWiro

konsultaciebi, yvelaferi asawon-dasawonia.

marTla mimaCnia,

rom es arCevnebi aralegitimuria.

samarTlebrivad SeiZleba

arafers cvlides opoziciis

mier mandatebis datoveba, samagierod

absoluturad icvleba

politikuri konteqsti qveyana-

Si, sadac biZina ivaniSvili Tavisi

erTsaxovani gundiT iqneba

parlamentSi viTom warmodgenili

da mTeli danarCeni opozicia

da xalxi iqneba parlaments

gareT. am etapze ver vsaubrob

politikuri partiebis saxeliT,

radgan konsultaciebi axla

daiwyeba da saerTo gadawyvetilebas

miviRebT. es gadawyvetileba

miRebuli iqneba Cveni

moqalaqeebis nebis dacvis

gaTvaliswinebiT da saxelmwifo

interesebidan gamomdinare.

roca yvela acxadebs, rom es

parlamenti aralegitimuria,

ubralod, aralogikurad mimaCnia,

rogor SeiZleba SevideT

aralegitimur parlamentSi?

_ arCevnebze, romelsac ara-

legitimurs uwodebs opozicia,

evropis sabWos saparlamento

asambleis ambleis delegaciis xelmZR-

vanelma Tini koqsma ganacxada:

„saboloo jamSi, SeiZleba vTqvaT,

rom arCevnebi demokrati-

ulad Catarda”. ras ityviT

amaze?

_ vusmine koqsis gancxadebas.

man Tqva, rom amomrCevlis ufleba

realizda, Tumca iqve aRniSna,

rom Zaladobrivi garemo

iyo. es gaxldaT pirveli Sefase-

nino goguaZe:

ìvaniSvilma

arCevnebs

saerTod

gamoacala

Sinaarsi!~

ba, romelic aris yovelTvis

Zalian frTxili, radgan jer

faqtebi unda mivawodoT da Tavadac

unda gaecnon mas. koqsi

ambobda, rom es iyo Zaladobrivi

arCevnebi, xSir SemTxveva-

Si ki administraciuli resursisa

da xelisuflebis iseTi

gadajaWvuloba aRiniSneboda,

rac gavlenas axdenda adamianebis

Tavisuflebis nebazeo. aseve

aRniSna isic, rom konkurentuli

garemo iyo. Tumca Tu Zaladobrivi

iyo da xelisuflebam

administraciuli resursi gamoiyena,

romelic gavlenas axdenda

adamianis nebaze, aseT SemTxvevaSi

konkurentuli rogor

iyo, ar mesmis. davelodoT maT

Semdgom Sefasebebs da darwmunebuli

var, rom yoveli Semdegi

Sefaseba iqneba gacilebiT

ufro kritikuli, vidre dRevandeli

Sefaseba, romelic, vimeoreb,

sakmaod frTxili da mozomili

iyo. igi calsaxad ar

aRiarebda arc am arCevnebis legitimurobas,

iseve rogorc ar

svamda eWvis qveS, anu orazrovani

gancxadebebi iyo.

_ koqsma isic ganacxada, rom:

„arCevnebis dResve SedegebSi

eWvis Setana ar aris ganviTare-

buli demokratiis niSani”, rac

imas niSnavs, rom opoziciis

protesti maincdamainc gamarTlebuli

ar aris maTi gadmo-

saxedidan. Tqven rogor gaigeT

es gancxadeba?

_ gasagebia maTi survili,

rom yvelaferi midiodes ara

quCis aqciebis gziT, aramed _

parlamentSi. yovelTvis mimaCnda,

rom movlenebi ise unda mimdinareobdes,

rom xifaTi maqsimalurad

avaridoT qveyanas, magram

rodesac xalxis nebas uxe-

Sad iTviseben, rac Cven yvelam

erTad 31 oqtombers vixileT,

aseT SemTxvevaSi xalxis quCaSi

gamosvla konstituciuri, gamarTlebuli

da legitimuria. ase

`rodesac xalxis nebas uxeSad iTviseben, rac

Cven yvelam erTad 31 oqtombers vixileT,

aseT SemTxvevaSi xalxis quCaSi gamosvla

konstituciuri, gamarTlebuli da

legitimuria~

rom, maTi survilebi mesmis, magram

qarTveli xalxis reaqcia

aris is, rac unda yofiliyo gayalbebuli

da miTvisebuli

arCevnebis SemTxvevaSi.

_ intervius dasawyisSi Tqven

aRniSneT, rom ivaniSvilma spe-

coperacia Caatara mosyidviT,

daSinebiT, kriminalebis mobilizaciiT,

ubnebze xmebis manip-

ulaciiT daiwera is Sedegi,

rac mas undoda. ratom gabeda

man am formiT da aseTi masStabiT

xalxis arCevanis miTvise-

ba?

_ xSirad miTqvams, maT Soris,

TqvenTanac, rom biZina ivaniSvili

ar fiqrobs Zalauflebis

daTmobas, Tumca rac arCevnebis

dRes vixileT, es Cems warmodgenasac

ki aRemateboda, radgan

megona, mainc ufro frTxilad

imoqmedebda, magram man

gabeda da yvelaferi sasworze

dado, raTa Zalaufleba Seenar-

Cunebina. is, vinc ase ebRauWeba

Zalauflebas, rasakvirvelia,

dRes iqneba Tu xval, aucileblad

dakargavs mas.

_ opoziciis sisustem gaabedina

ivaniSvils arCevnebis mi-

taceba?

_ mTlianad opoziciur speqtrs

ver Sevafaseb, magram albaT

opoziciamac dauSva taqtikuri

Secdomebi. ivaniSvili amas bedavs

imitom, rom mas aqvs absoluturi

Zalaufleba da Seuz-

Rudavi finansuri resursi. mas

aqvs aseTi warmodgena adamianebze,

rom yvela da yvelaferi

iyideba, amitomac bedavs imdens,

ramdensac qarTveli xalxi mas

abedinebs. axla qarTveli xalxi

sakuTari nebis warTmevasa da

sabWoTa kavSirSi dabrunebas

namdvilad ar apatiebs. amaSi

darwmunebuli var, _ saqarTvelos

adgili Tavisufal samyaroSia.

saqarTvelo unda iyos

Tavisufali, demokratiuli da

samarTlebrivi, biZina ivaniSvilis

xelisuflebis pirobebSi ki

saqarTvelo xdeba putinis ruseTis

tipis saxelmwifo, saidanac

amdeni xania Tavs vaRwevT, amdeni

msxverplis fasad da ukan

arafris didebiT ar davbrundebiT.

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„nacionaluri moZraobis” yofili

Tavmjdomare, mirian mirianaSvili, gadaWriT acxadeb-

da, rom 31 oqtombers arCevnebs „qarTuli ocneba” moigebda.

misive TqmiT, opozicia aqciebs daiwyebda, magram es Sedegs

ar gamoiRebda. miaCnda, rom viTareba mxolod momaval wels

Seicvleboda. misi mtkicebiT, momaval wels saqarTveloSi

vadamdeli arCevnebi unda Catardes. arCevnebi, ceskos monace-

mebiT, „qarTulma ocnebam” moigo. opoziciac quCaSia. Tumca

axla mirianaSvili ambobs, rom SesaZloa, 2021 wels

saqarTveloSi vadamdeli arCevnebi aRar Catardes. misi in-

formaciiT, biZina ivaniSvilma dasavleTTan komunikaciis

damyareba da raRacebis dalageba SeZlo.


ratom ar Seaxvedra

mirian mirianaSvili:

`dasavleTi

gadaifiqra Tu ara dasav-

leTma opoziciis mxardaWera?

ratom ar miuSva maTTan ivaniSvilma

TbilisSi saidumlo misi-

iT myofi surkovi? vin uSlis

xels politikaSi mixeil saakaSvilis

dabrunebas? raze Seu-

Tanxmda dasavleTs „ocnebis”

lideri? _ amis Sesaxeb mirian

mirianaSvili „qronika+~-s es-

aubreba.

_ batono mirian, ramdenime

kviris win Tqven CvenTan saubar-

Si TqviT, rom arCevnebs moigeb-

da „qarTuli ocneba”, opozicia

quCaSi gamovidoda, magram ve-

rafers Secvlida. situacia

2021 wels Seicvleboda. varau-

dobdiT, rom momaval wels aq

vadamdeli arCevnebi Catarde-

boda.

_ „qarTuli ocneba” arCevnebs

rom moigebda, amaSi eWvic ar mepareboda.

isic cnobili iyo, rom

am Sedegebs opozicia quCaSi

gaaprotestebda. rac Seexeba

2021 wlis vadamdel arCevnebs,

aqamde saqme SeiZleba aRar mivides,

radganac biZina ivaniSvilma

met-naklebad Seasrula is

pirobebi, rac man Cvens dasavlel

partniorebs misca.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom ivaniS-

vilma dasavleTTan moagvara?

_ ivaniSvilsa da dasavleTs

Soris raRac komunikacia Sedga.

miRweulia SeTanxmeba, rom is aq

SeinarCunebda im paritets, rac

pandemiamde iyo. vvaraudobdi,

rom „ocneba” arCevnebSi 50%-mde

aiRebda, „nacionaleb”s ki 27-28%

eqneboda. es informacia CemTvis

Tu iyo cnobili, opoziciur

partiebsac xom unda scodnodaT?

Tu ver gaiges, es maTi

problemaa. axla Cven Tu qveyana-

Si areulobas miviRebT, es imis

brali iqneba, rom partiebs warmodgena

ar aqvT, ra xdeba

saqarTvelos garSemo. maT isic

ki ar ician, rom dRes arsebuli

paritetis SenarCuneba globaluri

trendia.

_ arsebuli paritetis Senar-

Cuneba raki globaluri trendia,

opoziciam arCevnebis gay-

albeba ar unda gaaprotestos?

_ arCevnebis gayalbeba rogor

ar unda gaaprotestos, magram es

areulobaSi ar unda gadaizardos.

opoziciam unda icodes,

rom dasavleTi maT mxars ar

dauWers.

_ ratom ar dauWers mxars?

dasavleTi xom samarTliani

arCevnebisken mogviwodebda?

_ ase iyo, magram am SemTxveva-

Si opozicias sxva mizeziT ar

dauWers dasavleTi mxars. am

mizezis saxeli mixeil saakaSvilia.

dasavleTs ar surs, rom mixeil

saakaSvili aqtiur politikaSi

dabrundes. dRes yvela

aseTi arCevanis winaSe dgas _ an

ivaniSvili, an saakaSvili.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom dasav-

leTi ivaniSvils uWers mxars?

_ me amas ar vambob, imas vambob,

rom dasavleTs qarTul politikaSi

saakaSvilis dabruneba

ar surs. opoziciam unda gaacnobiros,

rom axla Tavisi aqtiurobiT,

faqtobrivad, saakaSvilis

dasabruneblad ibrZvis.

_ saakaSvilis dasabruneblad

rogor ibrZvian, isini arCevnebis

Sedegebis gadasinjvas iTx-

oven.

_ zogierTi Zala marTla

arCevnebis gadasinjvas iTxovs,

magram isinic ki saakaSvilis dasabruneblad

ibrZvian, rasac dasavleTi

mxars ar dauWers. dasavleTs

ar sWirdeba, rom saqarTvelos

saTaveSi mixeil saakaSvili

iyos.

_ saakaSvilma garkveviT Tqva,

rom is uars ambobs premierobis

kandidatobaze. man es gancxadeba

arCevnebis saRamos „mTa-

vari” arxis eTerSi gaakeTa.

_ saakaSvilma premierobaze

uari rom Tqva, es arafers niSnavs.

am adamians kargad vicnob.

me viyavi „nacionaluri moZraobis”

pirveli Tavmjdomare da

Cven seriozuli komunikaciebi

gvqonda. miSa saakaSvils simarTlis

Tqma fizikurad ar SeuZlia.

es misi brali araa. arian adamianebi,

romlebic sul tyuilebs

laparakoben. miSas elementarul

ramezec ki SeuZlia tyuilis

mogoneba. magaliTad, xaWapuri

SeWama da limonaTi daayola.

ityvis, xinkali vWame da mineraluri

wyali davlieo. aqedan

gamomdinare, ar mjera, rom is

uars ambobs premierobaze. is

Zalian energiulia, dajildovebulia

adamianebze manipulaciis

niWiT, magram simarTlis Tqma

fizikurad ar SeuZlia.

_ simarTles arc sxva politikosebi

laparakoben. ivaniS-

vilic sul ityueba.

_ tyuils yvela vambobT, magram

saakaSvili tyuilis seniT

aris daavadebuli. rogorc ukve

giTxariT, mas simarTlis Tqma ar

SeuZlia. es yvelam icis. maT

Soris, cnobilma politteqnologebmac.

erT-erTma maTganma

miTxra kidevac, Tu ginda gaigo,

miSa ras fiqrobs, misi nalaparakevi

unda aiRo da 180 gradusiT

Semoatrialoo.

_ arc egrea saqme. 2012 wlis

arCevnebis Semdeg Tqva, opoziciaSi

gadavdivarTo da gadavi-

da kidevac.

_ opoziciaSi Tavisi nebiT ar

gadasula. maSin man Zalaufleba

ivaniSvils gadaabara. mas Zalaufleba

jo baidenma gadaabarebina.

kavkasiis mimarTulebas obamas

xelisuflebaSi baideni kurirebda.

roca Seni ambebiT aSS-is

saakaSvilis

politikaSi

dabrunebis

winaaRmdegia~

vice-prezidentia dainteresebuli,

es patara ambavi araa.

_ samagierod, axla aRar ainteresebT

aseTi rangis Cinos-

nebs saqarTvelo.

_ me ver vityodi, rom aRar

ainteresebT saqarTvelo. ubralod,

aseTi maRali rangis politikosebi

xSirad aRar Camodian

saqarTveloSi. „nacionaluri mo-

Zraobis” wevrebs ki sjeraT, rom

prodasavlurebi arian, magram

dasavleTSi am Zalas rogorc

prorusuls, ise ganixilaven.

_ aba, prodasavlur Zalad

vis ganixilaven, „qarTul oc-

nebasa” da biZina ivaniSvils?

_ ivaniSvilis mimarT dasavleTma

damokidebuleba Secvala.

es im komunikaciebis damsaxurebaa,

romelic bolo TveebSi Sedga.

am komunikaciebis Semdeg „ocnebis”

liderma SeZlo da saqarTveloSi

rusul-amerikuli interesebi

daabalansa.

_ da amis gamo daxuWavs

dasavleTi Tvals arCevnebis

gayalbebaze?

_ arCevnebis gayalbebaze

Tvals aravin daxuWavs, magram

dasavleTi saakaSvilis dabrunebas

mxars ar dauWers. me ar gamovricxav,

rom momaval wels aq

saWiro gaxdes vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis Catareba.

rogor ganviTardeba movlenebi,

es didwilad aris damokidebuli

imaze, Tu ra SedegiT dasruldeba

amerikaSi saprezidento arCevnebi.

axal realobas ivaniSvili

SeiZleba, kargad moergos da aseT

SemTxvevaSi vadamdeli arCevnebi

saWiro aRar iqneba. saqarTvelo

politteqnologiurad kargad

imarTeba.

_ yvelam viciT, rom ivaniS-

àq Tu xelisufleba CamoiSala, aravis

gaaxsendeba `girCi~, `lelo~ da vaSaZe. yvela

saakaSvilTan daiwyebs saubars. dasavleTSi

kargad ician Cveni buneba. Cvennair qveynebSi

erTi kaci unda ipovo iseTi, romelsac yvela

valdebulebas ahkideb. 2-3%-iani partiebis

liderebs aseT valdebulebas aravin ahkidebs.

valdebulebas ahkideben im partiis liders,

romelsac maRali cifrebi aqvs. opoziciidan

yvelaze seriozuli Sedegi `nacionalurma~

moZraobam aiRo. mixeil saakaSvili am partiis

lideri gaxlavT~

vili ruseTzea damokidebuli.

Tqveni saubridan Tu vimsjelebT,

is amerikisken gadaix-

ara. ruseTma ase iolad gauSva

Tavisi kaci?

_ calsaxad ar SeiZleba imis

mtkiceba, rom ruseTma ivaniSvili

amerikas dauTmo. Cven ar

viciT, ra xdeba kulisebSi.

Zalian mwiri informaciebi gamodis

da aqedan gamomdinare unda

gavakeToT daskvnebi. dasavleT-

Tan ra komunikaciebi aqvs ivaniSvils,

amis Sesaxeb raRacebi viciT.

misi da rusebis komunikacia

ki burusiT aris moculi.

yvela detali ar vici, magram

gamoJona informaciam, rom

dasavleTTan komunikaciis Semdeg

moskovma ivaniSvils bevrad

meti Tavisufleba misca, vidre

es mas aqamde hqonda(?!).

_ surkovi saqarTveloSi amis

saTqmelad Camovida saidum-

lod?

_ ar aris gamoricxuli, rom

surkovi swored amis saTqmelad

Camovida.

_ marto amis saTqmelad amx-

ela gzas ar gamoivlida. sxva

miTiTebebsac gascemda.

_ cxadia, erTi sityvis saTqmelad

ar Camovidoda aq. me ramdenadac

vici, mas opoziciasTanac

undoda Sexvedra, magram igi

ar Sedga. ivaniSvilma yvelaferi

gaakeTa, rom Sexvedra ar Semdgariyo.

_ surkovs mTel opoziciasTan

surda saubari, Tu rome-

lime partia hyavda SerCeuli?

_ rogorc CemTvis aris cnobili,

is im partiebTan apirebda

saubars, romlebic prodasavlurebad

iTvlebian da qarTul

politikaSi raRac aminds qmnian.

_ gasagebia, romel partieb-

sac gulisxmobT.

_ Tqven igulisxmeT, me am partiebs

ar davasaxeleb, Tundac

imitom, rom maT Soris komunikacia

ar yofila.

_ surkovi da biZina ivaniSvili

ramdenad axlos arian erT-

maneTTan? ivaniSvilis dacvis

yofili ufrosi eldar gogol

olaZe

ambobs, rom „vardebis rev-

8 N27 (329) 3.11-9.11.2020 w.


ivaniSvilma surkovi opozicias?

oluciis” Semdeg surkovma

ivaniSvils urCia, saqarTvelos

prezidentad eyara kenWi.

_ surkovi kargad icnobs biZina

ivaniSvils. mas sxva qarTvel

politikosebTanac akavSirebs nacnoboba.

2002-2004 wlebSi is

saqarTveloSi Zalian xSirad Camodioda.

swored surkovi iTvleba

„vardebis revoluciis” Semoqmedad.

„nacionaluri moZraobac”

misi proeqti iyo. surkovi

„nacionalur moZraobaze” Riad

ambobda, Cemi aqtiviao. roca me

es partia wamarTves da mis dasabruneblad

daviwye brZola,

surkovisgan miviRe SemonaTvali

_ „nacionaluri moZraoba” axla

ukve „efesbes” aqtivia da CvenTan

brZola Tu SegiZlia, ibrZoleo.

_ surkovi saqarTveloSi

arCevnebis win iyo da saarCevn-

od Camoitana miTiTebebi. es

Sedegebic surkovis miTiTebiT

xom ar daido?

_ ara, Sedegebi surkovis mi-

TiTebiT ar dadebula. dRes

surkovs saqarTveloze iseTi

didi gavlena aRar aqvs, rogoric

mas 2002-2004 wlebSi hqonda.

surkovis gavlenebi saqarTveloze

mas Semdeg gaZlierda,

rac uSiSroebis sabWos mdivanma

nugzar sajaiam sicocxle TviTmkvlelobiT

daasrula.

_ nugzar sajaias sikvdilis

mere bevri ram Seicvala am qvey-

anaSi.

_ bevri ram Seicvala misi gardacvalebis

Semdeg. surkovi

saqarTvelos xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebs

pirdapir aZlevda

miTiTebebs. „vardebis revoluciac”

misi proeqti iyo.

_ „vardebis revolucias” bi-

Zina ivaniSvilic uWerda mxars.

_ araa gasakviri. surkovi da

biZina kargad icnoben erTmaneTs.

Tqvens mkiTxvels minda, is 100-

metriani xuTjvriani droSac gavaxseno,

romelic „vardebis revoluciis”

dRes mitings gadaafares.

es droSa im dRes erevnidan

Camoitanes matarebliT.

erevnis erT-erTi samkervalo am

droSas, sul mcire, erTi kvira

keravda.

_ am droSas ratom ixsenebT?

_ imitom, rom Tqvens mkiTxvels

avuxsna _ „vardebis revolucia”

spontanurad ar momxdara.

is kargad da winaswar dagegmili

scenariT warimarTa. revoluciis

scenari ruseTma, kerZod ki

surkovma dawera.

_ amaSi dasavleTmac miio

monawileoba.

_ dasavleTi minimalurad Caeria.

maSin amerika da evropa saqarTvelos

uyurebda, rogorc

ruseTis gavlenis obieqts. 2012

wels baidenma aiZula saakaSvili,

rom xelisufleba ivaniSvilisTvis

gadaebarebina. axla msgavsi

scenaris ganviTarebas ar velodebi.

2021 wlis 20 ianvramde

amerikas saqarTvelosTvis ar

ecleba. yvelaferi unda gakeTdes,

rom drois am monakveTSi aq

gauTvaliswinebeli ram ar moxdes.

saqarTvelos xelisuflebam

`calsaxad ar SeiZleba imis mtkiceba, rom ruseTma ivaniSvili amerikas

dauTmo. Cven ar viciT, ra xdeba kulisebSi. Zalian mwiri informaciebi

gamodis da aqedan gamomdinare unda gavakeToT daskvnebi. dasavleTTan ra

komunikaciebi aqvs ivaniSvils, amis Sesaxeb raRacebi viciT. misi da rusebis

komunikacia ki burusiT aris moculi. yvela detali ar vici, magram

gamoJona informaciam, rom dasavleTTan komunikaciis Semdeg moskovma

ivaniSvils bevrad meti Tavisufleba misca, vidre es mas aqamde hqonda(?!).~

qaosi da areuloba ar unda

dauSvas. es Tu moxda, es imas

niSnavs, rom mixeil saakaSvili

dabrundeba. es yvelaferi swored

imisTvis aris atexili, rom

saakaSvili dabrundes.

_ Tqven gindaT TqvaT, rom

opozicia sakuTar xmebs ki ar

icavs, aramed saakaSvilis dab-

runebas iTxovs?

_ ase gamodis. 3-4%-ian partiebs

tyuilad aqvT imis imedi,

rom parlamentSi rames gaakeTeben

an koalicias Seqmnian an vinme

maTTan TanamSromlobas moisurvebs.

aq Tu areuloba moxda da

xelisufleba CamoiSala, dasavleTic

da ruseTic iZulebuli

gaxdeba, saakaSvilTan daiWiros

saqme.

_ saakaSvilTan ratom? sxva

politikosebi aRar arian

saqarTveloSi?

_ rogor ar arian, magram aq

Tu xelisufleba CamoiSala,

aravis gaaxsendeba „girCi”, „lelo”

da vaSaZe. yvela saakaSvilTan

daiwyebs saubars. dasavleTSi

kargad ician Cveni buneba. Cvennair

qveynebSi erTi kaci unda

ipovo iseTi, romelsac yvela

valdebulebas ahkideb. 2-3%-iani

partiebis liderebs aseT valdebulebas

aravin ahkidebs. valdebulebas

ahkideben im partiis

liders, romelsac maRali cifrebi

aqvs. opoziciidan yvelaze

seriozuli Sedegi „nacionalurma”

moZraobam aiRo. mixeil saakaSvili

am partiis lideri gaxlavT.

Tqvens mkiTxvels da ara

marto mas minda mivmarTo, rom

gadadon emociebi da civi gonebiT

gansajon, Tu ra xdeba qveyanaSi.

dRes saqarTvelo dgas

arCevanis winaSe, _ an ivaniSvili

`saxlSi ar unda davsxdeT, magram

sifrTxiliT unda movekidoT Seqmnil

situacias. ise ar unda gavakeToT, rom

ivaniSvili uaresiT SevcvaloT. xalxma

isic unda icodes, rom arsebul

viTarebaSi ivaniSvilis xelisuflebisgan

CamoSoreba advili ar iqneba. rogorc

saubris dasawyisSi ukve mogaxseneT, man

dasavleTTan komunikacia moaxerxa. raRac

pirobebi Seasrula da amis sanacvlod

garantiebi miiRo~

unda avirCioT, an _ saakaSvili.

saakaSvilis mosvla xelisuflebaSi

niSnavs qaoss.

_ Tqven risi Tqma gindaT,

rom opoziciam xmebis dacva Sew-

yvitos?

_ opozicias samarTlebrivadac

SeuZlia dava. axla quCaSi

aqciebis mowyoba SeiZleba, qaosiT

dasruldes. ivaniSvilis Camo-

Slis SemTxvevaSi xelisufleba-

Si modis miSa saakaSvili. 2-3%-

ian partiebTan dasavleTi saqmes

ar daiWers. miSas xelisufleba-

Si dabrunebas ki qaosi da ubedureba

mohyveba. amitom vTxov yvelas,

rom gadawyvetileba civi

gonebiT miiRos. momavali wlis

ianvramde ar unda moxdes xelisuflebis

CamoSla. 2021 wels

SesaZlebeli iqneba, rom saakaSvilic

gverdze darCes da ivaniSvilic.

_ 2021 wels 2-3%-iani partie-

bi dasavleTisTvis misaRebi

gaxdeba?

_ ara. aq gaCndeba axali Zala,

romelic SeZlebs vadamdel

arCevnebSi warmatebis miRwevas.

_ ase ucbad rogor unda

gaCndes axali Zala da Tan ise-

Ti, rom „nacebsac” ajobos da

„qocebsac”.

_ saqarTveloSi axali politikuri

Zalis gaCena Zalian martivia.

aseve martivia axali politikuri

realobis Seqmna. saakaSvilis

„nacionaluri moZraoba”

politikur Zalad, sul ra-

Rac, 9 TveSi Camoyalibda. manamde

is iyo politteqnologiuri

proeqti da produqti.

_ axali partiis gamoCenas

unda velodoT? amis konture-

bi rom ar Cans?

_ gamoCndeba. politikosebi

da partiebic ise iyideba saqar-

TveloSi, rogorc supermarket-

Si sxvadasxva saxis saqoneli. ise

ar gaigoT, rom politikosebi da

partiebi sakuTar Tavs Tavad

yidian. maT yidian isini, vis saku-

Trebasac warmoadgenen.

CvenTan xSirad darbian adamianebi

erTi partiidan meoreSi,

amas sazogadoeba aRSfoTebiT,

ironiiTa da dacinviT xvdeba.

minda maT vuTxra, rom es sasacilo

ambavi araa. adamianebi partiidan

partiaSi sakuTari surviliT

ar gadadian. isini amis

Sesaxeb miTiTebas Rebuloben.

_ jaWvlianisTvis vis unda

eTqva, „qarTuli ocneba” dato-

veo?

_ jaWvliani arc aris politikuri

figura. is „ocnebam” ai-

Zula, rom misgan wauliyo. seriozuli

moTamaSeebi marTla mi-

TiTebebs Rebuloben, Tu sad

unda wavidnen. ai, ase xdeba politikosebis

transferi saqarTveloSi.

politikuri partia Cven-

Tan aris produqti, xolo politikuri

procesi _ servisi. Cvennair

qveyanaSi politikuri produqtis

gakeTeba Zalian advilia.

mTeli ubedureba is aris, rom

xSirad cvlilebebis Semdeg imaze

uaress mocemulobas vRebulobT,

vidre adre iyo.

biZina ivaniSvili da „qarTuli

ocneba” am qveynisTvis saCuqari

namdvilad ar arian, magram

ise nu vizamT, rom xelisuflebaSi

maTze uaresi miviRoT. kidev

erTxel gavimeoreb: aq qaosis

dawyeba niSnavs, rom miSa dabrundeba

xelisuflebaSi, rac kidev

ufro did qaoss mogvitans.

Cven erTi kanonzomierebac

unda vicodeT, romelic mitingebiT

xelisuflebis Secvlas ukav-

Sirdeba. postsabWoTa sivrceSi,

Tu opozicias amerika mxars ar

uWers, maSin is mitingebiT xelisuflebas

ver cvlis. saqar-

TveloSi arsebul opozicias

dRes amerikisgan mxardaWera ara

aqvs. aqedan gamomdinare, ar Rirs

qaosis mowyoba. am qaosis dalageba

mxolod amerikas SeeZleba.

2021 wlis 20 ianvramde, anu axali

prezidentis inauguraciamde,

vaSingtoni CvenTvis ver moiclis.

samTviani qaosi am qveyanas

daaqcevs. saqarTvelo isedac

mZime dReSia da damatebiTi

problemebi saWiro aRar aris.

_ anu saxlSi unda davsxdeT

da 2021 wels davelodoT?

_ saxlSi ar unda davsxdeT,

magram sifrTxiliT unda movekidoT

Seqmnil situacias. ise ar

unda gavakeToT, rom ivaniSvili

uaresiT SevcvaloT. xalxma isic

unda icodes, rom arsebul vi-

TarebaSi ivaniSvilis xelisuflebisgan

CamoSoreba advili ar

iqneba. rogorc saubris dasawyisSi

ukve mogaxseneT, man dasavleTTan

komunikacia moaxerxa.

raRac pirobebi Seasrula da

amis sanacvlod garantiebi miiRo.

giTxariT isic, rom amerikis

mxardaWera Tu ar iqna, mitingebiT

saqarTveloSi xelisufleba

ver Seicvleba. am momentisTvis

amerika da evropa mxars

ar uWers mitingebs. maT ar undaT

saakaSvilis dabruneba qar-

Tul politikaSi. im SemTxvevaSi,

Tu mainc moxda areuloba da xelisufleba

CamoiSala, dasavle-

Ti iZulebuli gaxdeba, saakaSvils

daujdes molaparakebebze.

2-3%-ian partiebs arc ki gaixseneben.

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`xalxma moigo, magram

erovnuli moZraobis erT-erTi

Sorena marsagiSvili

lideri, Tamar CxeiZe, opozicias

599 92 16 22

mTeli suliTa da guliT gulSmatkivrobda.

Tumca interviueb-

Si ambobda, rom isini ase iolad ver SeZlebdnen ivaniSvilis

damarcxebas, radgan mas ruseTi umagrebs zurgs. CxeiZe miiC-

nevs, rom moskovis mxardaWera rom ara, „qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri didi xniT adre gaqreboda qarTuli politikidan.

erovnuli moZraobis warmomadgenels eWvi ar epareba, rom es

dRe aucileblad dadgeba. amasTan imedovnebs, rom saqarTvelo

arasdros dabrundeba rusul orbitaze. misi azriT, Sesa-

Zloa, arc ivaniSvils surdes rusul orbitaze dabruneba,

magram iqidan seriozuli safrTxe elodeba.

ra safrTxe elis ivaniSvils

moskovidan? iyo Tu ara opozi-

cia mzad arCevnebisTvis? ratom

ver moaxerxa xalxma da opozi-

ciam gamarjvebis dacva? _ amis

Sesaxeb Tamar CxeiZe „qronika+~-

s esaubreba:

_ qalbatono Tamar, Tqven

Riad gulSematkivrobdiT opo-

zicias, magram SiSobdiT, rom is

umravlesobiT ver Sevidoda

parlamentSi. ceskos monaceme-

biT umravlesoba „qarTulma

ocnebam” aiRo. ratom ar gqon-

daT imis imedi, rom opozicias

darCeboda gamarjveba?

_ moxda is, risic Zalian meSinoda.

meeWveboda, rom opozicia

ivaniSvilis damarcxebas SeZlebda.

amis miuxedavad, imeds vitovebdi,

rom Sedegi sxvanairi

iqneboda. samwuxarod, Cemi varaudi

gamarTlda da opoziciam

gamarjvebis mopoveba ver SeZlo.

mTeli am xnis manZilze vcdilobdi

damejerebina is gancxadebebi,

rasac opoziciuri partiebis

warmomadgenlebi akeTebdnen.

logika da gamocdileba

mkarnaxobda, rom sul sxva realoba

iqneboda. Zalian ar mindoda,

rom ase momxdariyo, magram

„ocneba” gamocxadda gamarjvebulad.

_ gamarjvebulad ki gamocx-

adda, magram „qarTuli ocnebis”

wevrebs saxeze gamarjvebulis

ieri ar dahkravT. gamarjvebis

zeimic ki, sul raRac, aTwu-

Tiani hqondaT. es raze metyv-

elebs?

_ es imaze metyvelebs, rom

maT Zalian kargad icodnen, Tu

ra procentebi aiRes sinamdvile-

Si. icodnen isic, Tu ra donis

gayalbeba dasWirdebodaT sasurveli

cifrebis dasawerad.

imasac xvdebodnen, rom opozicia

amas ase ar datovebda. „qarTulma

ocnebam” yvelaze ukeT icis,

rom am arCevnebSi opoziciam

gaimarjva. aseT Sedegs namdvilad

ar elodnen. bevrad meti

procentis imedi hqondaT.

_ ivaniSvilma arCevnebamde

ramdenime kviriT adre gviTxra,

rom misi partia 60%-ze mets

aiRebda.

_ apirebdnen kidevac aseTi

Sedegis daweras. 65%-is gamocxadeba

surdaT, magram imdenad

cota xma aiRes, rom rac gamoacxades,

imaze maRla veRar wavidnen.

opozicia rom ar gaaqtiurebuliyo,

isev avidodnen

zeviT, magram rogorc ki protesti

dainaxes, 48%-ze Camovidnen.

sinamdvileSi maT ufro naklebi

xma miiRes. samwuxaroa, rom

verc opoziciam da verc sazogadoebam

ver SeZlo am gamarjvebis

SenarCuneba. imedia, rom

opozicia protestiT moaxerxebs

viTarebis Secvlas.

_ gamarjvebis SenarCuneba da

dacva ratom ver moxerxda? es

opoziciis brali xom ar aris,

romelmac egzitpolebis gamo-

cxadebisTanve daiwyo zeimi da

ar gaiTvaliswina, rom ceskos

bevri ramis Secvla SeeZlo?

_ ver vityvi, rom Zalian didi

zeimi gamarTes. Seikribnen erTad

da egzitpolebis gamocxadebisTanave

Tqves, rom xelisufleba

ukve Secvlilia. isini im momentSi

ceskos did mniSvnelobas

ar aniWebdnen. ar egonaT, Tu amxela

gayalbebaze wavidoda saarCevno

komisia. opozicionerebi

erTxmad ambobdnen, _ gana iseTi

ra unda gaayalbon, rom arsebuli

suraTi Seicvaloso.

_ arada, ceskom SeZlo es.

_ ra Tqma unda, SeZlo. ise

gaayalba arCevnebi, rom opozicias

xelidan gamoacala gamarjveba.

maSin, roca oqmebis gadawera

da Sedegebis gayalbeba midioda,

opoziciis nawili an isvenebda,

an gamarjvebas zeimobda.

gamarjvebis winaswar aRniSvnam

CemSi gaRizianeba gamoiwvia.

kidev kargi, „mTavari” arxis generalurma

direqtorma gaakeTa

mwvave gancxadebebi.

_ faqtobrivad, nika gvarami-

am daufrTxo opozicias Zili

da gamoiyvana eiforiidan.

_ nika gvaramias Careva Zalian

zusti iyo. sruliad veTanxmebi

am adamianis gancxadebas. misi

Careva ki saWiro da drouli iyo.

gvaramias rom ar aetexa ambavi,

gaiZaxodnen, ra unda gaayalbon

iseTi, egzitpolebis Sedegi rom

Seicvaloso. amdeni xania, rac

politikaSi arian da unda icodnen,

Tu rogor muSaobs cesko.

arc imis Zaxili iyo gamarTlebuli,

gana ramdeni unda gaayalbono.

imdens gaayalbeben, ramdenic

saWiro Sedegis misaRwevad

dasWirdebaT.

_ opozicias naadrevad rom

ar daewyo zeimi, cesko SeZlebda

am doziT arCevnebis gayal-

bebas?

_ zeimi im SemTxvevaSi iqneboda

gamarTlebuli, Tuki opozi-

Tamar CxeiZe:

ìvaniSvils eSinia,

rom ruseTi mas

fizikurad

gaanadgurebs~

cias adgilebze iseTi xalxi

eyoleboda, romlebic „qarTul

ocnebas” gayalbebaSi da arCevanis

moparvaSi SeuSlida xels.

_ ar hyavda opozicias ub-

nebze aseTi xalxi?

_ aseTi xalxis moZebna Zalian

rTulia. arCevnebis dRes saarCevno

ubnebze muSaoba urTulesia,

did energiasa da gamZleobas

moiTxovs. SeiZleba, ubanze 5 da

10 kacic ki gyavdes, magram maT

saTanadod ver ibrZolon. sa-

Tanado momzadebaa saWiro, rac

gansakuTrebiT iseT reJimTan

aris aucilebeli, rogoric

„qarTuli ocnebaa”. es Zala gaxlavT

yaCaRuri reJimi, romlis

ukanac ruseTi dgas. aseT re-

JimebTan sabrZolvelad uamravi

adamiani unda miiyvano ubanze da

maT saocari gamZleoba unda aRmoaCndeT.

am aranormaluri zewolis

gaZleba Zalian Znelia.

ubnebze myofma adamianebma isic

unda icodnen, Tu rogor formdeba

oqmebi sworad. am oqmebis

partiebSi gadagzavna ukve Zalian

advilia. am oqmebTan dakav-

SirebiT kiTxvebi Cndeba opoziciis

mimarT.

_ opoziciis mimarT ratom

Cndeba kiTxvebi?

_ ise laparakoben opoziciis

warmomadgenlebi, TiTqos arc

aqvT es oqmebi. es ambavi raRac

kargad ver gavige da cota Sefiqrianebuli

var. oqmebi opozicias

unda hqondes. is yvelasTvis

xelmisawvdomia. 90-ian wlebSi

Cvenc vmonawileobdiT arCevneb-

Si da es oqmebi xelT gvqonda.

_ opozicias aqvs oqmebi. so-

cialur qselSic aqveyneben maT.

_ oqmebis nawili aqvT, magram

me mainteresebs, yvela oqmi aqvT

Tu ara?

_ fiqrobT, rom yvela oqmi

ar aqvT?

_ maTi saubridan raRac ase-

Ti STabeWdileba damrCa. oqmebis

100% Tu ar aqvT, minimum, 90%

mainc unda hqondeT. oqmebis mopoveba,

merwmuneT, sulac araa

Zneli amocana. amis gakeTeba yvelaze

martivia. Tanamedrove teqnologiebis

wyalobiT am oqmebis

aslebis gadaReba Zalian

mcire dros moiTxovs.

aslebis gadaRebaze gacilebiT

rTulia oqmebis sworad

gaformeba. es adamianebs namd-

òqmebi ukve Sedgenamde iyo gayalbebuli. esec

aucileblad unda gairkves. arCevnebis

dasrulebis Semdeg bevr ubanze Caaqres Suqi.

sanTlis Suqze saarCevno oqmebis gayalbeba

gacilebiT martivia. iyo SemTxvevebi, roca

ubnebidan opoziciis warmomadgenlebi

gamoyares. zogan oqmi gaaqres~

vilad unda aswavlo, raTa gayalbebisgan

Tvi daizRvio. gayalbeba

yvela nabijze SeiZleba

moxdes. magaliTad, im dros,

roca saubnodan saolqoSi agzavni

da saolqodan _ centralur

saarCevno komisiaSi. am amocanis

Sesruleba Zalian Znelia. meeWveba,

rom opoziciis warmomadgenlebs

amis gakeTeba SesZlebodaT.

maxsendeba 2018 wlis sapezidento

arCevnebi, roca opozicias

yvela oqmi xelT ar ekava.

es mafiqrebinebs, rom arc axla

aqvs opozicias xelSi saarCevno

oqmebi. Tu aqvT, maSin gamovidnen

da yvelaferi gviTxran. aq

aSkarad raRac xdeba.

_ ra unda xdebodes?

_ gamodis, rom oqmebi ukve

Sedgenamde iyo gayalbebuli.

esec aucileblad unda gairkves.

arCevnebis dasrulebis Semdeg

bevr ubanze Caaqres Suqi. sanTlis

Suqze saarCevno oqmebis gayalbeba

gacilebiT martivia. iyo

SemTxvevebi, roca ubnebidan opoziciis

warmomadgenlebi gamoyares.

zogan oqmi gaaqres.

me Zalian minda imis gageba,

oqmebamdec ver mivitaneT realuri

Sedegebi, Tu Semdeg moxda

maTi gadawera da gayalbeba?

gasakvevia isic, saolqoSi moxda

gayalbeba, centralurSi Tu _

ubnebze? bevri ramea gasarkvevi.

axla mxolod is viciT, rom

xalxma arCevnebi moigo, magram am

arCevnebs gvarTmeven.

_ Cvenma dasavlelma part-

niorebma imedi gamoTqves, rom

aq arCevnebi samarTlianad

Catardeboda. opozicias aseve

imedi hqonda, rom aseTi gancxadebebis

Semdeg ivaniSvli gay-

albebas ver gabedavda. Tqveni

azriT, dasavleTs eqneba amaze

mkveTri reaqcia?

_ es am dReebSi gamoCndeba.

rac Seexeba Tavad gancxadebebs,

es iyo zogadi gancxadebebi,

rogorsac Cveni dasavleli

partniorebi yoveli arCevnebis

win akeTeben. saprezidento

arCevnebidan gamomdinare, Sei-

Zleba, dasavleTma aRar iaqtiuros.

saprezidento arCevnebis

meore turi „qarTulma ocnebam”

totalurad gaayalba. amaze

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am arCevnebs gvarTmeven~

dasavleTs adekvaturi reaqcia

hqonda, maT opozicias foni Seuqmnes,

magram opoziciis mxridan

ar mohyva reaqcia. aq marto

opozicias nu davadanaSaulebT,

sazogadoebamac Sescoda.

_ sazogadoebam ratom?

_ imitom, rom aseT dros sazogadoebis

aqtiurobac

saWiroa. marto opozicia verafers

gaxdeba. dasavleTis mier

Seqmnili foni arc opoziciam da

arc sazogadoebam ar gamoiyena.

axla ra moxdeba, ar vici. dasavleTis

reaqciebi imazec iqneba

damokidebuli, ramdenad iaqtiurebs

xalxi da opozicia.

_ ivaniSvilma ratom gariska

arCevnebis gayalbebiT? amis

gamo xom SeiZleba, mas dasavleTma

finansuri sanqciebi dau-

wesos? „qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri amis Sesaxeb gafrTxile-

bulicaa.

_ ivaniSvils SesaZloa, Zalianac

ar undoda amis gakeTeba,

magram mouwia va-bankze wasvla.

mas ruseTis ufro eSinia, vidre

_ dasavleTis dawesebuli sanqciebis.

amis garda xelisuflebac

gautkba.

_ sajarod ambobs, es CemTvis

didi tvirTiao.

_ tvirTi rom yofiliyo, moiSorebda.

tvirTi iyo premieroba

da amitomac wavida am postidan.

Crdilidan daiwyo qeynis

marTva. araferze pasuxs ar agebs

da yvelafers wyvets. ar dagvaviwydes,

rom amis paralelurad aq

miwebs epatroneba. mTeli qveyana

Tavisi ojaxis sakuTrebad

gadaaqcia. es aSkarad moswons da

vimeoreb, Zalauflebac gautkba.

magram mTavar mizezad mainc

ruseTis faqtori mimaCnia. aSkaraa,

rom mas moskovis ufro eSinia,

vidre _ dasavleTis.

_ ratom aris ruseTi ufro

saSiSi, vidre _ dasavleTi?

fiqrobs, rom dasavluri san-

qciebisgan kremli daicavs?

_ ivaniSvilma Zalian kargad

icis, rom dasavleTma sanqciebis

daweseba Tu gadawyvita, mas veravin

daexmareba. dasavleTisac

eSinia, magram misTvis ruseTi

bevrad ufro saSiSia. ruseTs

SeuZlia mas ekonomikuri dartymac

miayenos da fizikuradac

gaanadguros.

_ ruseTs adamianebis fizikuri

ganadgureba kargad ex-

erxeba. amas msoflios yvela

qveyanaSi akeTebs, saqarTvelo-

Si sul ar gauWirdeba.

_ ivaniSvilmac kargad icis es

ambavi da amitomac ruseTs uwevs

angariSs. Tu ar gauwevs, seriozuli

problemebi Seeqmneba.

kremlis faqtori rom ara, darwmunebuli

var, ivaniSvili aqamde

saqarTvelodan wasuli iqneboda.

_ rodemde unda gauwios

ruseTs angariSi? aq Tu gamosv-

lebi daiwyo da opozicias

dasavleTmac dauWira mxari,

mere ras izams?

ès Zala gaxlavT yaCaRuri reJimi, romlis ukanac ruseTi dgas. aseT

reJimebTan sabrZolvelad uamravi adamiani unda miiyvano ubanze da maT

saocari gamZleoba unda aRmoaCndeT. am aranormaluri zewolis gaZleba

Zalian Znelia~

_ amas mere gadawyvets. jer

dasavleTidan mkveTri reaqcia

ar Cans da arc mZafri saprotesto

talRa agorebula.

_ rac iyo, iman gamoiRo Sede-

gi da rogorc ki opoziciam

xmauri daiwyo, ceskom opozi-

cias procentebi daaklo.

_ es ufro nika gvaramias damsaxurebaa,

mas rom aseTi ambavi

ar aetexa, opozicias reagireba

daagviandeboda da arc procentebi

daiwevda dabla.

_ arCevnebis saRamos mixeil

saakaSvilma

mniSvnelovani

gancxadebebi gaakeTa. man Tqva,

rom uars ambobs premierobis

kandidatobaze. misma wardgenam

premieris kandidatad opozi-

ciaSi didi foriaqi gamoiwvia.

ukeTesi xom ar iqneboda, saakaSvils

es gancxadeba arCevnebam-

de gaekeTebina? arCevnebis dRes

amis Tqma dagvianebuli xom ar

iyo?

_ ver dageTanxmebiT, rom es

gancxadeba dagvianebuli iyo.

verc im mosazrebas gaviziareb,

rom saakaSvili ar unda waredgina

Tavis partias premierobis

kandidatad. „nacionalebma”

Zalian swori gadawyvetileba

miiRes. vaRiaroT, rom am procesebis

sulis Camdgmeli saqar-

Tvelos mesame prezidenti iyo.

_ ra procesebs gulisxmobT?

_ opoziciis molaparakebebs.

sanam am procesSi saakaSvili CaerTveboda,

procesi midioda

duned. igive iTqmis saarCevno

kampaniazec. sanam is ar CaerTo

Riad, manamde kampania ar gamococxlda.

_ nacionalebis ukan saakaS-

vili rom idga, es xom yvelam

icoda?

_ erTia, roca ici, rom esa Tu

is piri dgas partiis ukan da sul

sxvaa, rodesac es adamiani Riad

da aqtiurad erTveba kampaniaSi.

miSam saarCevno kampania Secvala

da gamoacocxla. me miSisti arasdros

vyofilvar, magram vcdilob

viyo obieqturi. saakaSvilis

saarCevno kampaniaSi CarTva iyo

swori gadawyvetileba. is iyo am

kampaniis sulis Camdgmeli. mas

bevri uaryofiTi Tviseba aqvs,

magram misi Seadreba ivaniSvilTan

ar SeiZleba.

_ ratom ar SeiZleba?

_ imitom rom ivaniSvili Tavi-

ìvaniSvils SesaZloa, Zalianac ar undoda

amis gakeTeba, magram mouwia va-bankze wasvla.

mas ruseTis ufro eSinia, vidre - dasavleTis

dawesebuli sanqciebis. amis garda

xelisuflebac gautkba~

si bunebiT mTlianad damangrevelia.

miSas aRmSenebloba axasiaTebda.

amitom am ori adamianis

erT sibrtyeze dayeneba usamarTlobaa.

kidev gavimeoreb,

rom miSam Cabera saarCevno kampanias

suli da mxolod misasalmebelia,

rom is premieris

kandidatad dasaxelda. miSa am

procesebSi Riad rom ar Cabmuliyo,

„ocnebas” SeeZlo gayalbebis

gareSe daewera is procentebi,

rac daiwera.

_ axla ratom Tqva, premier-

obaze uars vambobo? amas ra

axsnas uZebniT?

_ ratom Tqva premierobaze

uari, amas ukve ver getyviT. am

gadawyvetilebasac eqneba Tavisi

axsna. opoziciis nawili mis premierad

wardgenas protestiT

Sexvda. es protesti CemTvis

cota gaugebaria. etyoba, miSam

Tavs ambiciebze uari opoziciis

erTianobis gamo Tqva. esec misasalmebeli

gadawyvetilebaa.

Cemi azriT, sjobda, rom is dar-

Ceniliyo premierobis kandidatad,

magram, rogorc Cans, am

etapze opoziciis erTianoba

ufro mniSvnelovania.

_ Tqven ramdenjerme gausviT

xazi, rom saakaSvilis saarCevno

kampaniaSi CarTva swori iyo,

radgan aman procesebi gamoacocxlao.

procesebi ki gamoa-

cocxla, magram misi SesaZlo

dabrunebiT xalxs isev rom

aSinebdnen? aman ar imoqmeda

opoziciaze cudad?

_ es winaaRmdegoba xalxma

ukve gadalaxa. saqarTveloSi mi-

Sas dabrunebis aRar eSiniaT.

xalxi maSin ufro SeSinebuli

iyo, vidre saakaSvili am kampania-

Si Riad CaerTveboda. viyoT obieqturebi

da vaRiaroT, rom ivaniSvilis

damarcxeba Tu vinmes

SeuZlia, es aris mixeil saakaSvili.

_ opoziciam xmebis dasacavad

brZola daiwyo, magram ar vic-

iT, rogor dasruldeba es

brZola, _ Tu „ocneba” isev xe-

lisuflebaSi darCa, es saqar-

Tveloze ruseTis gavlenebis

gaZlierebas niSnavs. SeZlebs

ruseTi, rom Cvens qveyanas sa-

gareo kursi Seacvlevnos?

_ RmerTma dagvifaros, rom

xelisuflebaSi isev „qarTuli

ocneba” darCes. maTi es gamarjveba

Zalian myifea, „ocnebas”

sul sxva Sedegi surda. Segvi-

Zlia vTqvaT, rom gayalbebamac

ver uSvela da maTi poziciebi

Seryeulia. warmodgenac ar minda,

rom es Zala SeiZleba kidev

oTxi wlis manZilze marTavdes

qveyanas. „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi

darCenis SemTxvevaSi

aq rusuli gavlenebi

kidev ufro gaizrdeba. saboloo

jamSi, ruseTi Cvenze gabatonebas

mainc ver moaxerxebs.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom ver

moaxerxebs?

_ Cveni qveyana bevrjer yofila

dapyrobili, magram Cvenze

gabatoneba bolomde veravin moaxerxa.

darwmunebuli var, amas

verc ruseTi SeZlebs. imedi

maqvs, rom protesti Sedegs gamoiRebs

da „ocneba” xelisuflebis

saTaveSi mesame vadiT ver

mova.

_ 2003 welsac mesame vadiT

movida SevardnaZis partia xelisuflebaSi

da es revoluciiT

dasrulda. maSinac gayalbe-

bam gamoiyvana opozicia quCaSi.

axlac revoluciamde xom ar

mivalT?

_ axla gamiWirdeba imis Tqma,

iqneba Tu ara revolucia. xalxs

xelisuflebis Secvla rom surs,

es arCevnebze gamoCnda, rac imas

ar niSnavs, rom es adamianebi

aucileblad gamovlen quCaSi.

winaaRmdegoba da protesti rom

iqneba, amaSi eWvic ar mepareba.

- bevri xalxi arc 2003 wels

gamosula quCaSi.

_ bevri xalxi ar iyo, magram

maSin gansxvavebuli viTareba

gaxldaT. miSa aq imyofeboda da

adgilze moqmedebda. da rac mTavaria,

im dros SevardnaZe dasavleTsac

Camowerili hyavda da _

ruseTsac. amas SevardnaZec acnobierebda.

Tan ramdenime TveSi

saprezidento vadac ewureboda

da gadadga, gumbariZis rolSi

darCena ar moisurva. ivaniSvils

wasvla ar unda da romc undodes,

amis uflebas moskovi

jer ar aZlevs.

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àrCevnebis Rames òcnebis~

arCevnebamde ramdenime dRiT

Sorena marsagiSvili

beso adre, im dRes, roca Ss ministri

599 92 16 22 vaxtang gomelauri zugdidSi spe-

coperaciis Casatareblad wavida,

TbilisSi darCenilma Zalovnebma sagangebo TaTbiri gamarTes.

TaTbirs anzor CubiniZe, grigol liluaSvili, kaxa kalaZe da

irakli kobaxiZe eswrebodnen. am TaTbirze gadawyda, Tu romel

partias ramden procents dauwerdnen(?!!). TaTbirze iTqva, rom

„erTiani saqarTvelo _ demokratiul moZraobas” araviTar

SemTxvevaSi ar unda aeRo 2.5%-ze meti. arCevnebis dRes situacia

Seicvala da cesko nino burjanaZis partias erT procentsac

ki ar uwers. partiis erT-erTi lideri beso danelia „qron-

ika+”-sTan ambobs, rom ivaniSvils parlamentSi ar surs iseTi

xalxis naxva, visac Zalac aqvs da _ gamocdilebac. danelias

TqmiT, xelisuflebam sazogadoebas mohpara arCevani da es ase

ar Caivlis _ „erTiani saqarTvelo _ demokratiuli moZraoba”

danarCen opoziciasTan erTad apirebs quCaSi dgomas da brZo-

las manamde, vidre xelisufleba moparul arCevnebs ar

daabrunebs. beso danelias TqmiT, maSin roca cesko opozicias

xmebs hparavda, ivaniSvilis partiaSi didi cema-tyepa atyda.

danelia:

`ramdenime

lideri partiis

datovebas

apirebs~

ratom daupirispirdnen „oc-

nebis” liderebi erTmaneTs? vin

gailaxa am dapirispirebis

dros? ra siurprizi elodeba

sazogadoebas? ras gegmavs

opozicia da ratom aRar gauva

gayalbeba ivaniSvils? _ amis

Sesaxeb beso danelia „qroni-

ka+~-s esaubreba:

_ batono beso, jer kidev

arCevnebis win mediaSi gavr-

celda informacia saidumlo

TaTbiris Sesaxeb, sadac sauba-

ri iyo imaze, rom ramdenime

partiisTvis, maT Soris, „er-

Tiani saqarTvelosTvis”, pro-

centebi unda daekloT. iseTi

STabeWdileba rCeba, rom biZi-

na ivaniSvili raRac mizezis

gamo ebrZvis Tqvens partias.

_ dRes xelisuflebis saTaveSi

arian moRalateebi da qurdebi,

romlebc biujetis fulsa

da amomrCevlis xmebs iparaven.

aseTi patara adamianebisTvis

miuRebelia patriotuli Zalebi,

romlebic saxelmwifo interesebidan

gamomdinare moqmedeben

da sakuTar keTildReobas

qveynis keTildReobaze maRla

arasdros ayeneben. xelisuflebaSi

myofma adamianebma qveynisa

da xalxis ZarcviT iSoves didi

fuli, magram mainc SurT im

Zalebis, romlebsac SeuZliaT

Tavis xalxsa da qveyanas emsaxuron.

aq piraduli araferia,

ubralod, am xelisuflebisTvis

miuRebelia wesieri da patrioti

adamianebi.

„qarTuli ocneba” xels uSlis

iseT Zalebs, romlebic saqarTvelos

momavals xedaven evropaSi

da ar surT qveynis sibneleSi

dabruneba. iseT sibnele-

Si, rogoric arCevnebis Rames

saarCevno ubnebis nawilze iyo.

Segnebulad gaTiSes deni da biuletenebis

daTvla telefonebis

Suqze mimdinareobda.

„qarTulma ocnebam” simarTlesa

da sicrues Soris mkveTri

zRvari gaavlo. aqeT mxares

varT Zalebi, romelTac demokratiuli

qveyana gvinda, iqiTa

mxares aris oligarqi Tavis minigarqebTan

erTad. es minigarqebi

socialurad daucveli adamianebis

xarjze isqeleben jibeebs.

isic ki ikadres, rom sabavSvo

baRebSi bavSvebs daakles

racioni, raTa Tavad darCenodaT

meti fuli. es xalxi pirdapir

kremlis instruqciebiT imarTeba

da moqmedebs. isini warmoadgenen

mexuTe kolonas da

arian Tanamedrove sergo orjonikiZeebi.

maTi wyalobiT Cveni

sazRvrebi aris morRveuli.

isini pirdapir kavSirSi arian

saqarTvelos mtrebTan da maT

interesebs atareben. maT davalebuli

aqvT, rom saqarTvelo

ar ganviTardes. dRes qveyanas

kriminaluri sindikati marTavs,

sadac yvelafers gza xsnili

aqvs, rasac feodali moindomebs.

Cven amas yovelTvis SevewinaaRmdegebiT.

es kargad ician

„ocnebaSi” da amitom gviSlian

xels. Cven yovelTvis gvaklebdnen

procentebs.

_ axla nametani dabali procentis

dawera mouvidaT. ceskos

monacemebiT, erT procent-

sac ki ver iRebT.

_ es Zalian samarcxvino Sedegia.

arc erT egzitpolSi Cveni

procenti 2-ze qveviT ar Camosula.

TviT „imedis” egzitpolebsac

ar daudevT aseTi Sedegi.

mimaCnia, rom 2 da 2.5%-ic dabali

maCvenebelia CvenTvis. Cven

Zalian seriozuli saarCevno kampania

CavatareT. mTeli saqar-

Tvelo moviareT da xalxs gavacaniT

Cveni saarCevno programa,

romelsac eqspertebi maRal

Sefasebas aZleven. saarCevno kampania,

faqtobrivad, sakuTari

fuliT davafinanseT. „qarTulma

ocnebam” dafinansebac wagvarTva

da _ saeTero droc. wina

saparlamento arCevnebze 10-12%

gvqonda, magram 3.8% dagviweres.

axla, minimum, 5% mainc aviReT,

magram erT procentsac ar gviweren.

amis gakeTebas SiSi aiZulebT.

ivaniSvils ar awyobs, rom

parlamentSi principuli Zala

Sevides.

Cvens partiaze cota zedmeti

visaubre, sxva partiebsac

unda Sevexo _ es arCevnebi mTel

opozicias gauyalbes. 31 oqtombers

saqarTveloSi arCevnebi

ar Catarebula. es iyo specoperacia,

romelic arCevnebis

Sedegebis mitacebas isaxavda

miznad. am arCevnebis legitimurobas

Cven ar vaRiarebT.

_ rusTavelze apirebT Sede-

gebis dacvas?

_ sxva gza maT, ubralod, ar

dagvitoves da iZulebuli varT,

sxva opoziciur partiebTan er-

Tad rusTavelis gamzirze gavideT.

sxvisi ar vici, magram Cven

bolomde vapirebT brZolas da

TiToeuli xmis dacvas. Cveni

partia Seqmnis dRidan idga iq,

sadac qveyanas uWirda. Cveni qveynis

interesebisTvis arasdros

gviRalatia. axla xmebis dacvis

dro dadga da Cvenc mzad varT

amisTvis. „erTian saqarTvelo _

demokratiul moZraobas~

100.000 xma aqvs dasacavi.

_ amdeni xma aiRo arCevnebze

Tqvenma partiam?

_ Cven zustad viciT, rom

„erTianma saqarTvelo _ demokratiulma

moZraobam” arCevnebze

100.000 xma miiRo. amis Sesaxeb

zusti informacia gvaqvs.

Cven danamdvilebiT vicodiT,

rom 5%-iani mxardaWera gvqonda.

yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT,

marto Cveni partiis 5.000

wevri muSaobda imaze, rom Cveni

moqalaqeebisTvis saarCevno

programa gaecno. mTeli qveynis

masStabiT partias hyavs 57.000

wevri. axla cesko gveubneba,

rom Cven aviReT, sul raRac,

15.000 xma. Tavidan 0.9% daweres

da imedi hqondaT, rom Cvengan

amaze sxvanairi reaqcia iqneboda.

_ ra reaqcias elodnen?

_ egonaT, rom protests ar

gamovTqvamdiT. ar gavakeTebdiT

im gancxadebebs, rac gavakeTeT;

ar gaviziarebdiT opoziciis

suliskveTebas da arc Cveni warmomadgeneli

ceskoSi gaaprotestebda

Sedegebs.

_ Tqvenma warmomadgenelma

`Cven Zalian seriozuli saarCevno kampania

CavatareT. mTeli saqarTvelo moviareT da

xalxs gavacaniT Cveni saarCevno programa,

romelsac eqspertebi maRal Sefasebas aZleven.

saarCevno kampania, faqtobrivad, sakuTari

fuliT davafinanseT. `qarTulma ocnebam~

dafinansebac wagvarTva da - saeTero droc.

wina saparlamento arCevnebze 10-12% gvqonda,

magram 3.8% dagviweres. axla, minimum, 5%

mainc aviReT, magram erT procentsac ar

gviweren. amis gakeTebas SiSi aiZulebT.

ivaniSvils ar awyobs, rom parlamentSi

principuli Zala Sevides~

ceskoSi seriozuli skandali

moawyo. man Tamar Jvanias bri-

fingi CauSala.

_ Cvenma warmomadgenelma

brifingi ki ar CauSala Tamar

Jvanias, aramed man protesti gamoxata

da ceskos Tavmjdomares

yvelas dasanaxavad uTxra,

rom is aris gamyalbebeli da

sisxlis samarTlis damnaSave.

_ arCevnebis gayalbeba dana-

Saulia, magram amis gamo saqa-

rTveloSi jer aravin dausji-

aT.

_ dausjeloba unda dasruldes.

Tamar Jvania aucileblad

daisjeba arCevnebis gayalbebis

gamo. cesko dRes gadaqceulia

„qarTuli ocnebis” danamatad.

_ cesko „ocnebis” danamati

rom aris, amis gamo Tamar Jvanias

aravin dasjis gayalbebi-

sTvis.

_ „qarTuli ocneba” Tavis danamats

rogor dasjis. Tamar Jvania

wers im cifrebs, rasac mas

„qarTuli ocneba” hkarnaxobs. am

qveyanaSi aucileblad Catardeba

normaluri arCevnebi. am ar-

Cevnebze mosuli xelisufleba

mosTxovs pasuxs Tamar Jvaniasa

da sxva gamyalbeblebs. arCevnebis

gayalbeba aris sisxlis samarTlis

danaSauli. damnaSave

dausjeli ar unda darCes.

rogor SeiZleba, Tvali davxuWoT

iseT faqtebze, rac am

arCevnebze dafiqsirda?! Cven

xelT gvaqvs oqmebi, saidanac

Cans, rom ubanze misulia sul 80

amomrCeveli da „qarTul ocnebas”

360 uweria.

aseTi darRvevebi Zalian bevria.

es oqmebi socialur qselSi

qveyndeba da Tqvens mkiTxvelsac

eqneba is nanaxi. amis ase datoveba

aRar SeiZleba. Cven biZina

ivaniSvils davumtkicebT,

rom is saqarTveloSi yvelasa da

yvelafers ver iyidis.

Tavisi qmedebebiT ivaniSvilma

moaxerxa da kidev erTxel

gagvaerTiana sruliad opoziciuri

speqtri. Zalian gansxvavebuli

adamianebi vdgavarT erTmaneTis

gverdiT.

_ marTla moxerxeba unda,

rom Tqveni partia da „naciona-

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liderebma erTmaneTs scemes~

lebi” erTad daayeno. ivaniS-

vilma es SeZlo.

_ araa CvenTvis ioli viRacebTan

erTad aqciaze dgoma,

magram roca qveynis interesebs

sWirdeba, mzad varT, Cveni ambiciebi

da wyenebi daviviwyoT.

axlac ase gavakeTeT. daviviwyeT

piradi wyenebi da sxvebTan

erTad gavediT rusTavelze.

_ ramdeni xani apirebT

rusTavelze dgomas?

_ ramdenic saWiro iqneba.

dRes mTeli opozicia ambobs,

rom arCevnebi aris aralegitimuri.

_ bolomde yvela mag pozi-

ciaze iqneba?

_ am momentisTvis yvela ase

fiqrobs da es Zalian mniSvnelovania.

_ arCevnebis aralegitimurobaze

„patriotTa alian-

sic” alaparakda. es partia

ivaniSvilis satelitad iTvle-

boda.

_ isinic xedaven, rom arCevnebi

aris aralegitimuri. „qarTulma

ocnebam” yvela partias mopara

xmebi. am qurdobisTvis bi-

Zina ivaniSvili aucileblad

agebs pasuxs. kidev iaros kobaxiZisa

da volskis Wkuaze da naxavs,

rogorc gadmoayiraveben.

_ vin gadmoayiravebs biZinas?

_ Tavisive garemocva, maT Soris,

volski da kobaxiZe, romel-

Ta Wkuazec axla dadis ivaniSvili.

_ sazogadoebasac da opozi-

ciasac didi imedi gqondaT,

rom arCevnebis gayalbebis

SemTxvevaSi dasavleTidan mwvave

Sefasebebi iqneboda. gakeTda

gancxadebebi, magram Sefasebebi

araa mwvave. amiT „qarTu-

li ocneba” Zalian kmayofilia.

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” kmayofilebis

mizezebze verafers

getyviT. opozicia da, maT Soris,

Cveni partia vfiqrobT, rom

dasavleTis mxridan adekvaturi

Sefasebebi gakeTda.

_ kmayofilebi xarT am

gancxadebebiT?

_ ra Tqma unda.

_ maT mwvave reaqcia rom ar

hqoniaT arCevnebis gayalbeba-

ze?

_ Zalian mwvave reaqcia hqondaT.

TavianTi pozicia ise gamoxates,

rogorc es diplomatebs

ekadrebaT da rogorc amas

dasavluri standartebi iTvaliswinebs.

unda gaviTvaliswinoT,

rom dasavleTi araa ruseTi,

romelic pirdapir iZleva mi-

TiTebebs da sxvis Sinaur saqmeebSi

ereva. „qarTul ocnebas”

ruseTidan aqvs miTiTebebi, Tu

ra unda gaakeTos, rogor moiqces.

evropelebmac da amerikelebmac

sakmaod mwvave gancxadebebi

gaakeTes. amerikis saelCos

gancxadeba iyo Zalian kritikuli.

iq pirdapir iyo naTqvami,

rom Zalian mZime da uxeSi dar-

Rvevebis fonze Catarda 31 oqtombris

saparlamento arCevnebi.

mets elCi da saelCo, ubralod,

ver ityodnen. politikuri da

diplomatiuri ena cota sxvanairia.

_ aba, „qarTuli ocneba” ra-

tom aris kmayofili?

_ iqneb, arc aris kmayofili?

magram axla aseTi gancxadebebis

gakeTebaa saWiro. SeiZleba

hgoniaT, rom dasavleTs araferi

gauprotestebia. maTi lideri

ruseTis specsamsaxurebTan

aris muSaobas miCveuli da maTi

ena esmis mxolod. evropelebi

da amerikelebi sul sxvanairad

muSaoben. da rac mTavaria, isini

arian Cveni strategiuli partniorebi.

maT namdvilad undaT,

rom saqarTvelo demokratiuli

da ganviTarebuli qveyana

iyos. imisTvis, rom aseT qveynad

viqceT, dasavleTi yvelanair

daxmarebas gvaZlevs.

_ diplomatiuri ena sxva ar-

iso da zogjer dasavleTi Zalian

mwvavea xolme Sefasebeb-

Si.

_ arc axla aklda simwvave

Sefasebas. Cven Zalian kmayofilebi

varT. sxva Sefasebebic iqn-

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àm qurdobisTvis biZina ivaniSvili aucileblad agebs pasuxs. kidev iaros

kobaxiZisa da volskis Wkuaze da naxavs, rogorc gadmoayiraveben~

eba. dasavleTi ar gaatarebs

aseT gayalbebas. Zalian mniSvnelovani

iyo aSS-is saelCos is

gancxadeba, romelic arCevnebis

wina dRes gakeTda. am gancxadebaSi

marTalia, mosamarTleebis

naCqarev daniSvnaze iyo saubari,

magram iq sxva ramec ikiTxeboda.

am gancxadebidan naTlad

Canda, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

arCevnebis gayalbebas gegmavda.

_ „qarTuli ocneba” arCevn-

ebis gayalbebas rom gegmavda,

es aSS-is saelCos gancxadebis

gareSec mSvenivrad icodiT.

mTeli opozicia amaze saubrob-

diT. sqemebic ki warmoadgineT,

ris saSualebiTac gayalbdeboda

arCevnebi. ai, arCevnebi gay-

albebulia da rogor imoqme-

debs opozicia? marto rusTavelze

dgomiT apirebT, ivaniS-

vils ukan daaxevinoT?

_ isic didi saqmea, opozicia

erTad rom dadga rusTavelze.

Cveni opoziciuri speqtri Zalian

Wrelia. mTeli rigi sakiTxebis

Sesaxeb sxvadasxvanairi dam-

`Cven zustad viciT, rom èrTianma saqarTvelo

_ demokratiulma moZraobam~ arCevnebze

100.000 xma miiRo. amis Sesaxeb zusti

informacia gvaqvs. Cven danamdvilebiT

vicodiT, rom 5%-iani mxardaWera gvqonda.

yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT, marto Cveni

partiis 5.000 wevri muSaobda imaze, rom Cveni

moqalaqeebisTvis saarCevno programa gaecno~

okidebuleba gvaqvs, magram ar-

Cevnebis SedegebTan dakavSirebiT

erTianebi varT. erTad vambobT,

rom es arCevnebi aralegitimuria.

viciT, rom amis ase

datoveba aRar SeiZleba.

yvelas gacnobierebuli gvaqvs,

rom Tu es gayalbeba gadavylapeT,

avtoritarizmi dakanondeba

da ukan, sibneleSi

davbrundebiT. Cven naTeli momavlisTvis

vibrZviT da ar gvinda,

gamoqvabulis eras davubrundeT,

saiTkenac migvaTrevs

„qarTuli ocneba”. ivaniSvilsa

da misi partiis liderebs etyoba,

Zalian moswonT gamoqvabulSi

yofna. Segrovdnen ivaniSvili,

gaxaria, volski, kobaxiZe

da wavidnen WorvilaSi.

_ WorvilaSi ratom unda wav-

idnen?

_ gaxariam xom gviTxra, CemTvis

misabaZi saCxeris modeliao.

Turme, saCxere yofila ayvavebuli

da ganviTarebuli. yvelas

Zalian gviyvars es lamazi mxare,

magram iq namdvilad ar aris yvelaferi

kargad. am raionSi bevri

Tanapartieli gvyavs da viciT,

rogor uWirs iq xalxs. gaxariasTvis

mainc misabaZia iqauroba.

wavidnen da ivaniSvilis

saxlSi moawyon gamoqvabuli.

ivaniSvilma kidev Tavis ezo-

Si, Tavis Tanapartielebze Caataros

is eqsperimentebi, romelsac

qarTvel xalxze atarebs.

qarTveli xalxi mis eqsperimentebs

ar moixvevs Tavze. Cveni

arCevani naTeli momavalia, romelic

evropul Rirebulebebze

iqneba dafuZnebuli. evropuli

qveyana aris Tavisufali arCevnebi,

Tavisufali sasamarTlo.

Cven aseTi saqarTvelosTvis vibrZviT

da amitom gavediT rusTavelze.

rusTavelze gamosul adamianebs

ar aRviqvam romelime partiis

warmomadgenlebad. isini

arian saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi,

romlebic imitom gamovidnen

quCaSi, rom Cvenma Svilebma demokratiul

da ganviTarebul

qveyanaSi icxovron.

Zalian martivad aris saqme:

erT mxares vxedavT sibneles,

imperializms, specsamsaxurebis

mier marTuli feodalsa da mis

qveSevrdom mona minioligarqebs,

xolo meore mxares dgas

Cveni Svilebis momavali da qveynis

ganviTreba. saqarTveloSi

dRes umZimesi socialur-ekonomikuri

mdgomareobaa. amis Secvla

mxolod cvlilebebiT Sei-

Zleba. es cvlileba ki legitimuri

arCevnebis gareSe ver moxdeba.

amitom vicavT Cvens ar-

Cevans da ar gvainteresebs, ra

iarliys mogvawebebs xelisufleba.

winaaRmdegobis ar gveSinia.

_ Tqven winaaRmdeg marto

xelisufleba ar iqneba. noem-

beri civi Tvea. koronavirusi

mZvinvarebs. sicivesa da pan-

demias ras upirebT?

_ sicivesa da koronasac gavuwevT

winaaRmdegobas. Cveni

partia dafuZnebis dRidan sul

ibrZvis. Cven araerTxel davamtkiceT,

rom verc yinva gvaCerebs,

verc darbeva, verc dasisxlianebaa

da dalewva, verc ivaniSvili

SegvaSinebs. ukan daxevas ar

vapirebT. Cvens liderTan er-

Tad, romelic msoflio donis

politikosia, bolomde vapirebT

brZolas. Cven vibrZolebT

imisTvis, rom saqarTvelos uke-

Tesi momavali hqondes.

_ ris miRwevas apirebT?

ggoniaT, rom ivaniSvili Secv-

lis arCevnebis Sedegebs?

_ saqarTveloSi arsebuli

yvela opoziciuri partia acxadebs,

rom arCevnebi gayalbda. 31

oqtombris arCevnebis Semdeg

neobolSevikuri „qarTuli ocneba”

gadaiqca Cveulebriv kompartiad.

es SemTxveviTi araa,

misi erT-erTi lideri xom cekas

instruqtori, amxanagi volskia.

dRes es kompartia marto

darCa. milionebi daxarjes, yvelanair

Zaladobas mimarTes

arCevnebze, magram 100 mandatic

ki ver moagroves. arada, yvelaferi

ikadres. saarCevno ubnebze

deputatebi da gamgeblebi

idgnen. maT cema-tyepiT mihyavdaT

xalxi arCevnebze, rom

41 SemoexazaT, iseTi raRacebi

Caatares, rom oqmebs ver abalanseben.

iseTi sazizRrobebi

Caidina am partiam, rom amas Tavad

„ocnebaSic” ukmayofileba

moyva. gvaqvs informacia, rom am

dReebSi ramdenime lideri apirebs

„qarTuli ocnebis” datovebas.

rogorc CvenTvis aris

cnobili, 31 oqtombris Semdeg

maT aliyuri miiRes biZina ivaniSvilisgan.

_ vin miiRo biZinasgan ali-

yuri?

_ gvarebis dasaxeleba ar minda.

getyviT imas, rom partiis

liderebi erTmaneTs xeliTac ki

Seexnen.

_ is mainc gviTxariT, vin Se-

exo xeliT erTmaneTs?

_ arc maT vinaobas davasaxeleb,

radganac es aris siurprizi. am

dReebSi yvelaferze Tavad isaubreben.

Cvens xelT arsebuli informaciiT,

ramdenime lideri partiis

datovebas apirebs.

13

politologma nika CitaZem

„qronika+”-sTan saubarSi 2012

wels gavrcelebuli fraza gaix-

sena: „axla mova biZineo, Wame,

svi da iZineo”, _ qveyanaSi, sa-

dac, Tavis droze, msgavsi

damokidebuleba hqondaT oli-

garqis mimarT da zogierTi

dRemde scems Tayvans kerpad

qceul biZinas, kidev bevri weli,

albaT, ar unda gvqondes cv-

lilebebis pretenzia.

faqtia, rom opoziciis umoqmedobam

da sazogadoebis nihilizmma

oligarqis mmarTv-

eloba 4 wliT gaaforma.

ra berketebi rCeba opozi-

cias samoqmedod? aqvT Tu ara

koordinebulad moqmedebis unari?

ra roli eniWeba am procesebSi

saerTaSoriso sazoga-

doebis CarTulobas?

aRniSnuli Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+~ politolog nika

CitaZes esaubra:

_ batono nika, daviwyoT 31

oqtombris SefasebiT: dgeba Tu

ara kiTxvis niSnis qveS 2020

wlis saparlamento arCevnebis

legitimuroba?

_ samwuxaroa, rogorc ganvi-

Tarda movlenebi 31 oqtombers.

am yvelafers win uZRoda winasaarCevno

kampania, romelmac

darRvevebis fonze Caiara. samwuxaroa

is faqtic, rom dRes

biznesi Sekrulia xelisuflebasTan,

garkveuli hibridia Seqmnili.

winasaarCevno kampaniis

farglebSi „qarTulma ocnebam”

e. w. Semowirulobebis saxiT 17

milion larze meti miiRo, rac

imas niSnavs, rom mmarTvel partias

imaze meti Semowiruloba

ergo, vidre sxva yvela partias

erTad. es Semowirulobebi nebayoflobiT

rom xdebodes, vityviT:

samewarmeo subieqts moswons

„qarTuli ocnebis” politika,

magram yvelam viciT, rom

maTi kompaniebi tenderebSi imarjveben,

SemdgomSi ki mmarTvel

partias winasaarCevnod swiraven

Tanxebs. garda amisa, winasaarCevno

kampaniis dros gamovlinda

Zaladobis faqtebi qvemo qarTlsa

da sxva regionebSi. am yvelaferma

gaafermkrTala winasaar-

Cevno procesi. meore mxriv, sxvadasxva

politikur partias See-

Zlo winasaarCevno kampaniis Catarebis

procesSi masmediis saSualebebis

gamoyeneba. 31 oqtombersac

iseTi saxis darRvevebi

iyo, TviTon Sinagan saqmeTa saministroc

aRiarebs amas. Zaladobis

faqtebi gamovlinda da 12

SemTxvevaze aRiZra sisxlis samarTlis

saqme. amasTanave, sxva

sakiTxebic sagulisxmoa, maT Soris,

sazogadoebis mniSvnelovani

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Svili, 21 wlis axalgazrda, goris

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_ am yvelafris miuxedavad,

xelisufleba mainc ugebda

da dResac ugebs sainformacio

oms „nacionalur moZraobas”.

Cven viciT, rom „nacionalur

moZraobas” Zalian bevri ram dabralda,

igive rafaliancis, Jvanias

mkvlelobebi, aseve TiTqos

saakaSvili da misi meuRle organoebiT

vaWrobdnen, _ uamravi

tyuili daabrales. opoziciam am

mimarTulebiT, Worebis gasafantavad

ver imuSava. maT mosaxleobisTvis

unda aexsnaT, rom es

yvelaferi tyuili iyo. 7 noemberi,

rom moxda, mosaxleobisTvis

unda aexsnaT, rom es iyo

cudi movlena, xelisuflebis

damxobis lozungebiT gamodiodnen.

Zalas ki gadaameta imJamindelma

xelisuflebam, magram

prezident saakaSvilma sakuTar

Tavze aiRo valdebuleba da gadadga,

erTi wliT Seimcira saprezidento

vada da daniSna vadamdeli

saparlamento arCevnebi. 20

ivnisis movlenebis Semdeg ki

„qarTul ocnebas” bodiSic ar

mouxdia mosaxleobisTvis da metic:

adamiani, romelmac darbevis

brZaneba gasca, daawinaures da

premieri gaxda. vxedavT, rom gansxvaveba

aSkaraa.

ganvixiloT sxva SemTxvevebic:

robaqiZisa da girgvlianis saqmeebTan

dakavSirebiT damnaSaveebma

ages pasuxi. vin daisaja maCalikaSvilis

mkvlelobis SemTxvevaSi?!

aRsaniSnavia isic, rom

2012 wels „nacionalurma moZraobam”

Caatara demokratiuli

arCevnebi da xelisufleba mSvidobianad

gadaabara „qarTul

ocnebas”. axla ki vxedavT, rom

„qarTuli ocneba” ver egueba

xelisuflebis dakargvas da yvelanairad

ebRauWeba Zalauflebas.

am yvelafris miuxedavad,

vxedavT, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

sainformacio oms ugebs „nacionalur

moZraobas”. opozicias

unda ganesazRvra, ra aris misi

Zlieri da susti mxareebi, rogor

unda aRmoefxvra problemebi

da ara is, rom yoveldRe eZaxa:

ivaniSvilis reJimi unda dasruldes.

mxolod amis Tqmam Sedegi

ver moitana. „mTavarma arxma”

da „tv pirvelma” imuSaves,

Caatares Jurnalsturi gamoZiebebi,

magram es ar iyo sakmarisi.

ivaniSvili unda wavides! _ es mesiji

gasagebi iyo, magram opozicias

momavlisken unda waeyvana

saqme da xalxisTvis daenaxvebina,

ras sTavazobdnen.

nika CitaZe:

_ Tqven aRniSneT sazogadoe-

bis pasiuri damokidebuleba. ar

aris mosaxleoba sakmarisad im-

edgacruebuli da gabrazebuli

ivaniSvilis reJimze? ar unda

dagvaviwydes, didi nawili

Tanxmdeboda imaze, rom cv-

lilebebi saWiro iyo...

_ „nacionalur moZraobas”

isic unda gaeTvaliswinebina,

rom 200 aTasze meti sajaro moxele

hyavs saqarTvelos, romelTac

hyavT naTesavebi da axloblebi.

Cvens realobaSi swored axloblebis

xaTriT aZleven ama

Tu im partias xmas. Sesabamisad,

individualizmis problemaa. sajaro

moxeleebi, aseve sipebi da

municipaluri organoebi, _

mmarTveli gundis es resursi

opozicias unda gaeTvaliswinebina.

„qarTulma ocnebam” administraciuli

resursi gamoiyvana.

albaT, maT uTxra, rom Tu davmarcxdebiT,

Tqvenc dakargavT

samsaxurso, Sesabamisad, isinic

gamovidnen. am dros opozicias

`Tavi da Tavi ar aris mxolod biZina

ivaniSvilis danaSauli, sxva problemac aris.

2012 wels Tavad biZina ki ar iyo ubedureba,

aramed - biZinizmi, kerpad gaixades igi.

saqarTvelos erT-erT kuTxeSi, 2012 wlis

saparlamento arCevnebis win, xumrobac ki iyo

aseTi: àxla mova biZineo, Wame, svi da iZineo~

`qarTulma

ocnebam~

`nacionalur

moZraobas~

sainformacio

omi mougo~

mosaxleobis danarCeni nawilis

mobilizeba unda uzrunveleyo.

es nawili fiqrobs, „qarTuli

ocneba” ki cudia, magram „nacionalur

moZraobas” ratom davu-

WiroT mxario? amitomac 31 oqtombers,

17:00 saaTis monacemebiT,

amomrCevelTa 45% iyo gamocxadebuli.

mniSvnelovani nawili

ar movida arCevnebze. Tavis

droze ciceroni ambobda, Semdeg

CerCilma gaimeora: „xSir SemTxvevaSi

cru qmedebaze uaresi

umoqmedobaao”. unda vaRiaroT

isic, rom mosaxleobis garkveuli

nawili iyideba, maT Soris,

produqtze. am SemTxvevaSi Tavi

da Tavi ar aris mxolod biZina

ivaniSvilis danaSauli, sxva problemac

aris. 2012 wels Tavad

biZina ki ar iyo ubedureba, aramed

_ biZinizmi, kerpad gaixades

igi. saqarTvelos erT-erT

kuTxeSi, 2012 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis win, xumrobac ki

iyo aseTi: „axla mova biZineo,

Wame, svi da iZineo”.

_ 8 wlis Tavze opoziciam ver

SeZlo biZinizmis dasruleba?

_ maT ver moaxerxes sainformacio

omSi gamarjveba. isev da

isev es problemaa. 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi

„nacionalurma moZraobam”

ver SeZlo Sesabamisi sainformacio

kampaniis Catareba

eWvebis gasaqarwyleblad da informaciul

omSi „qarTuli

ocnebis” damarcxeba.

_ 31 oqtombris Rames paral-

eluri realoba miviReT: erT

mxares „qarTuli ocneba” aRni-

Snavda gamarjvebas, meore mx-

ares _ opozicia. ra mocemulobis

winaSe vdgavarT dRes da

rogor unda imoqmedos opozi-

ciam?

_ mocemuloba aris is, rom

proporciuli arCevnebis farglebSi

„qarTul ocnebas” aqvs 62

mandati. garda amisa, ramdenime

maJoritarul olqSi maT gaimarjves.

amitomac erTia, opozicia

dairazmos da Tundac, Tbilisisa

da ramdenime sxva maJoritarul

olqSi meore turSi SeZlos

gamarjveba. meore turSi,

maJoritarul olqebSi, yvela

opoziciurma kandidatma unda

mouwodos xalxs, rom meore

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dasavleTSi sanqciebi aamoqmedon~

turSi gasul opozicioner kandidats

dauWiros mxari. magali-

Tad, ugulavam mouwodos zugdidis

mosaxleobas, rom meore

turSi xma miscen „nacionaluri

moZraobis” kandidats da am principiT

imoqmedon iq, sadac meore

turi iqneba. Tu opozicia am principiT

imoqmedebs meore turSi

da gaagrZelebs brZolas, Semdeg

unda Sevides parlamentSi da iq

gauwios oponireba xelisuflebas.

rogorc me-9 mowvevis parlamentSi,

„qarTuli ocnebis”

deputatebma datoves umravlesoba,

SesaZlebelia, es SemTxveva

ganmeordes da Tu es ase moxda,

parlamentis SigniT umravlesoba

iqneba opozicia, rac mas sa-

Sualebas miscems, undobloba gamoucxados

mTavrobas, _ es erTerTi

savaraudo scenaa, romli-

Tac SesaZlebeli iqneba politikuri

procesebis warmarTva.

_ aqtiurad ganixileba varianti,

rom opoziciam uari Tqvas

mandatebze. aseT SemTxveva-

Si, Tuki „qarTuli ocneba” ver

gamoucxadebs ndobas mTavr-

obas, es ramdenad swori taqti-

ka iqneba?

_ am nabijis SemTxvevaSi plusi

is iqneba, rom opozicia ar

aRiarebs arCevnebis Sedegebs,

aRniSnuli arCevnebis legitimurobas

ar cnobs, magram aseT

SemTxvevaSi rogor unda gauwion

oponireba „qarTul ocnebas”?

maT unda imuSaon diplomatiur

korpusTan da saerTaSoriso sazogadoebasTan,

rom ganaxorcielon

zewola xelisuflebaze.

am nawilSi unda ganvixiloT is,

rom Tu kvorumi Sedga, parlamenti

SeZlebs mTavrobis dakompleqtebas.

_ Tqveni azriT, Sedgeba

kvorumi?

_ swored es aris yvelaze

saintereso. amitom opoziciam

unda ibrZolos meore turebSi

da SeZlos gamarjveba. meore

variantia, rom maT uari ganacxadon

parlamentSi Sesvlaze, rac

imas niSnavs, rom meore turSic

ar miiReben monawileobas. meore

variantis SemTxvevaSi ra oponirebis

gza arsebobs?! parlamentSi

ki opozicias hyavs Zalian

bevri gamocdili politikosi. im

SemTxvevaSi Tu Sevlen sakanonmdeblo

organoSi, amiT aRiareben

arCevnebis legitimurobas, samagierod,

momavlisken, rom gaixedon,

SesaZlebelia, vadamdeli

arCevnebic ki dainiSnos da „qar-

Tulma ocnebam” 2024 wlamdec

ver gastanos. SesaZlebelia isic,

rom saerTaSoriso sazogadoebis

Carevis Sedegad wminda proporciuli

arCevnebi gaimarTos,

ara 2024 wels, aramed 2022 wels.

Tu opozicia arCevnebs aralegitimurobas

ucxadebs, maSin ra

alternatiuli gza rCebaT? _

SesaZlebelia, xelisuflebam

kvorumis Seqmna moaxerxos da Semdeg

mTavrobasac daakompleqtebs.

Tu 30-ve maJoritarul

olqSi sakuTari warmomadgeneli

gaiyvana, xelisuflebas 92 xma

òpoziciam koordinebulad unda imoqmedos - an aravin unda

Sevides parlamentSi, an yvela unda dasTanxmdes sakanonmdeblo

organoSi Sesvlas~

eqneba, aqedan gamomdinare, opoziciisTvis

rTuli iqneba brZola.

am nawilSi Zalian sainteresoa,

ras ityvian saerTaSoriso damkvirveblebi

da rogori iqneba saerTaSoriso

sazogadoebis reaqcia

saerTo jamSi. samwuxaroa,

rom saerTaSoriso sazogadoebis

yuradReba ufro metad koncentirebulia

amerikaSi gasamarT

arCevnebze. msoflio sazogadoebas

ufro metad ainteresebs

amerikis arCevnebi. rac Seexeba

saqarTvelos, imedi maqvs, rom

saqarTvelo yuradRebis miRma

ar darCeba. ar aris gamoricxuli,

dasavleTSi garkveuli sanqciebi

aamoqmedon ivaniSvilis

winaaRmdeg, rogorc es moxda

moldovis oligarq ploxotniukis

SemTxvevaSi.

_ dRes aris iseTi mocemu-

loba, rom moldovis preceden-

ti ganmeordes? ra gaZlevT amis

Tqmis safuZvels?

_ gamoricxuli araferia, maT

Soris, arc sanqciebis amoqmedeba

da arc vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis daniSvna. yvelaferi

SesaZlebelia.

_ Cven visaubreT variante-

bze, Tu rogor unda imoqmedos

opoziciam, magram ramdenad

aqvT maT imis resursi, rom er-

Tianoba SeinarCunon?

_ opoziciam koordinebulad

unda imoqmedos _ an aravin unda

Sevides parlamentSi, an yvela

unda dasTanxmdes sakanonmdeblo

organoSi Sesvlas. rac Seexeba

maT resurss, „patriotTa

aliansis” garda, yvela sxva partia,

albaT, koordinebulad imoqmedebs.

savaraudo scenari

`mosaxleobac nihilisturad aris ganwyobili.

ra aris amis mizezi? ratom agebs opozicia

sainformacio oms? ra unda gakeTdes? - am

kiTxvebze pasuxi da amis gaazrebaa saWiro, am

mimarTulebiT unda imuSaos opoziciam.

mxolod imis Tqma, rom ivaniSvili cudia,

Sedegs ver moitans, opoziciam momavlisken

unda waiyvanos saqme, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, es

problema mudmivad iqneba, miT umetes,

siRaribisa da SimSilis pirobebSi fuls metad

gadamwyveti mniSvneloba aqvs, xandaxan ki 5

kilo kartofilsac. es aris problema~

aseTia, rom opozicia meore turSi

gamarjvebisTvis mainc

ibrZolebs, raTa arCevnebis gziT

miaRwios Tavis sawadels, _ bolomde

ecdeba 21 noembris CaTvliT

brZolas. Semdeg ki parlamentSi

Sevides Sesabamisi raodenobiT

da iq gauwios oponireba

„qarTul ocnebas”. aseve Sesa-

Zlebelia parlamentis SigniTac

moxdes garkveuli cvlilebebi.

ar aris gamoricxuli an meore

variantia, Tu opozicia boikots

gamoacxadebs da aralegitimurad

cnobs arCevnebis Sedegebs,

maSin SesaZlebelia, meore tur-

Si monawileobaze uari Tqvas. ase

mgonia, rom brZola jerjerobiT

saWiroa arCevnebis gziT.

_ am brZolis nawilSi ra

roli aqvs protestsa da quCis

aqciebs? aseve ramdenad gamova

xalxi gasaprotesteblad? aris

sakmarisi saprotesto muxti?

_ nawili gamova, magram „vardebis

revoluciisgan” gansxvavebuli

viTarebaa, _ maSin policia

ganze gaiwia, arc jari da arc

policia ar eqvemdebareboda xelisuflebas.

dRes ki gansxvavebuli

viTarebaa. gasagebia, rom

quCaSi gaaprotestebs opozicia,

magram es ar aris meTodi. mxolod

quCis protesti Sedegs

ver moitans. yvelas gvinda mSvidoba

da stabiluroba, magram

rodesac iZulebuli xar da sxva

gzas ar gitoveben, protesti

quCaSi gadadis. SesaZlebelia,

opozicia parlamentis win

Seikribos, saxelmwifo uwyebebis

blokirebas mimarTos, magram

es ar aris am mdgomareobidan

erTaderTi gamosavali. mxolod

es ar aris sakmarisi. meore tur-

Si brZolaa saWiro, radgan

opozicias gamarjvebis Sansi aqvs

im SemTxvevaSi, Tu opoziciur

xmebs gaaerTianebs, amisTvis ki

koordinebuli moqmedebaa saWiro.

am yvelaferTan erTad aucilebelia

saerTaSoriso sazogadoebasTan

muSaoba. saerTaSoriso

damkvirveblebi kenWisyris

dRes ki midiodnen da akvirdebodnen

process, magram aucilebelia,

maT konkretuli dar-

Rvevebis Sesaxeb informacia miawodon.

magaliTad, arCevnebis

dRes saarCevno ubanze „evrokav-

Siris” warmomadgeneli movida,

rigSi rom videqiT ramdenime

adamiani gamokiTxes da wavidnen,

Tumca uSualod saarCevno ubanze

ar Sesulan. movidnen, viTarebas

zogadad daxedes da wavidnen,

amitomac mgonia mniSvnelovani,

rom saerTaSoriso sazogadoebas

konkretuli, darRvevis

amsaxveli kadrebi warudginon.

erT-erTi gamosavali iqneba konsensusis

miRweva imis Sesaxeb,

rom vadamdeli arCevnebi gaimarTos,

romelic wminda proporciuli

wesiT warimarTeba. albaT,

esec erT-erTi gamosavali

iqneba. mgoni, cudad aravin gamigebs,

sazogadoebis politikuri

kulturis amaRleba metad mniSvnelovani

sakiTxia, sakuTar Tavsac

vgulisxmob. kulturis amaRleba

mniSvnelovania imisTvis,

rom momavalSi veravin SeZlos

xelisuflebis uzurpireba, es

mxolod ivaniSvilis brali ar

aris, sazogadoebam gaabedina mas

_ Tavis droze is gaakerpa garkveulma

nawilma.

_ Tavis droze da 8 wlis Sem-

deg sazogadoebasTan erTad

opoziciamac gaabedina...

_ opoziciam didi muSaoba

gaswia, magram misi susti mxare

sainformacio omis wageba iyo.

2018 wlis saprezidento arCevnebidan

opozicias garkveuli daskvnebi

unda gamoetana, pirvel

turSi zurabiSvils 615 aTasma

amomrCevelma misca xma, magram

meore turSi „qarTulma ocnebam”

sxvadasxva gziT SeZlo saTanado

xmebis miReba. aRsaniSnavia,

rom mosaxleobac nihilisturad

aris ganwyobili. ra aris amis

mizezi? ratom agebs opozicia

sainformacio oms? ra unda gakeTdes?

_ am kiTxvebze pasuxi da

amis gaazrebaa saWiro, am mimarTulebiT

unda imuSaos opoziciam.

mxolod imis Tqma, rom ivaniSvili

cudia, Sedegs ver moitans,

opoziciam momavlisken unda

waiyvanos saqme, winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi, es problema mudmivad

iqneba, miT umetes, siRaribisa

da SimSilis pirobebSi fuls

metad gadamwyveti mniSvneloba

aqvs, xandaxan ki 5 kilo kartofilsac.

es aris problema.

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gvyavda, yvela saxlSi gamogvk-

etes. metic, daavadebaTa kontrolis centris xelmZRvaneli

gvafrTxilebda: _ veRar daviTvliT saqarTveloSi kuboebs, _

Tu gvinda, rom cocxlebi gadavrCeT, davrCeT saxlSio. dRes

ki, roca yoveldRiurad inficirebulTa rekorduli maCvenebeli

fiqsirdeba, imnaZisa da gamyreliZis gancxadebebi radikalurad

Seicvala. Tu gazafxulze „Svedur models” umravlesoba

uzneobad miiCnevda da am modelis dacvas fa-

SizmTan aigivebda, dRes ukve yvelani Svedebi gavxdiT.

ratom Secvales kovidTan

damokidebuleba? ra probleme-

bi aqvs saqarTvelos jandacvis

sistemas virusis marTvis nawilSi?

ra unda icodnen in-

ficirebulebma?

am da sxva mniSvnelovani Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+” infeq-

cionist maia buwaSvils esaubra:

_ kovid 19-is Sesaxeb sawyiss

etapze TiTqmis araferi vicodiT.

axla ukve, roca samed-

icino sferos warmomadgenlebs

garkveuli gamocdileba dagigrovdaT,

ra viciT dRes im virusis

Sesaxeb, romelTan erTa-

dac cxovrebas ukve Tveebia,

vswavlobT?

_ pirvel rigSi, pozitiuri

kuTxiT Tu SevxedavT, viciT is,

rom viruss ar aqvs swrafi mutaciebis

unari, risi SiSic da

molodinic iyo Tavidan. bevrjer

gaJRerda kidec, rom virusi

ganicdis mutaciebs da uaresi

xdeba, _ sabednierod, ase ar

aRmoCnda. SedarebiT stabiluri

virusia da aman imedi mogvca,

rom vaqcina efeqtiani iqneba,

radgan virusi cvalebadi bunebis

rom yofiliyo, Sesabamisad,

vaqcinac araefeqtiani iqneboda.

iqidan gamomdinare, rom virusi

bunebas ar icvlis, is informacia,

rac mis Sesaxeb grovdeba,

validuri da legitimuria. aseve

pozitiuria isic, rom dagrovili

statistika, romelic

mTeli msoflios masStabiT

daaxloebiT erTnairia, namdvilad

gvaZlevs saSualebas vTqvaT,

rom axalgazrda asaki naklebad

zaraldeba. ra Tqma unda,

Zalian mniSvnelovania nebismieri

asakis adamianebis janmrTeloba

da sicocxle, magram sazogadoebisTvis

SedarebiT erTi kuTxiT

mainc iZleva garkveuli simSvidis

safuZvels, rom 0-dan 20

wlamde garTulebebi da sikvdilianoba

ukiduresad iSviaTia,

maSin, rodesac sxva pandemiebi,

H1N1 da sezonuri gripebi gansakuTrebiT

samiznes warmoadgens

0-dan 5-wlamde asakisTvis,

sadac yvelaze maRalia garTulebebi

da zogjer sikvidilianobac.

es, rac ar axasiaTebs koronaviruss,

ukve myarad Segvi-

Zlia vTqvaT, radgan didi xani

gavida da statistikac amaze

metyvelebs.

aseve eqimebma iswavles kovidis

ukeT marTva: rogorc aRmoCnda,

es ar aris standartuli

situacia sunTqvis ukmarisobis

marTvis dros, bevrad ufro gansxvavebuli

aRmoCnda. marTviT

sunTqvaze gadayvanis Cvenebebi

ufro daixvewa da gasagebi gaxda,

rogor unda miewodos Jangbadi

sworad imisTvis, rom rac

SeiZleba meti adamiani gadarCes.

reanimatologebma Zalian bevri

ram iswavles pacientis ukeT

marTvis kuTxiT. aseve naxes, rom

standartuli sasunTqi gzebis

infeqciebisgan gansxvavebiT, am

viruss gansakuTrebiT axasiaTebs

sisxlis Sededebaze zemoqmedeba

da gairkva, rom TrombozebiT

garTuleba misTvis erTerTi

wamyvania da amitom am kuTxiT

mZime pacientebSi prevencia

daiwyo, riTac meti adamianis

sicocxlis gadarCena xdeba Sesa-

Zlebeli.

epidemiologiuri TvalsazrisiT

isic vnaxeT, rom mkacr karantins

maincdamainc didi efeqti

ar moaqvs im mxriv, rom rodesac

karantini ixsneba, mere isev

aRmavloba gardauvali xdeba,

rogorc, magaliTad, Cvens qveyanaSi

vixileT.

_ gazafxulze, maSin, roca

inficirebulTa dRiuri maCv-

enebeli 4-5 adamiani iyo, mTav-

robam sagangebo mdgomareoba

gamoacxada, dRes ki inficirebulTa

yoveldRiuri maCvenebe-

li rekordulad maRalia da

2000-mde aRwevs. im periodSive

icodnen, rom seqtembridan

morigi talRa daiwyeboda, ratom

ver Sexvda mTavroba momza-

debuli virusis axal talRas?

_ vfiqrob, am masStabis prognozireba

ver gakeTda da mosalodneli

safrTxe saTanadod

ar Sefasda. rogorc Cans, am mas-

Stabis aRmavlobas qveynis arc

erTi uwyeba ar eloda. amitom

momzadebis sworeba am raodenobaze

ar iyo gaTvlili, Tundac

sawolebis raodenoba,

romelic aSkarad deficitSia.

_ dRevandeli mocemulobiT,

ra konkretuli problemebia

virusis marTvis nawilSi?

_ pirvel rigSi, Zalian gvian

gakeTda reagireba imaze, rom

pacientebi gadaerCiaT, msubuqi

pacientebi darCeniliyvnen binaze

da mxolod mZimeebi dawolilyvnen

saavadmyofoebSi. es

modeli adreve unda dawyebuliyo.

maSin, rodesac yvela wveboda

saavadmyofoSi, Tavidanve

ar iyo swori. adamianebic mieCvivnen

imas, rom Tu korona aqvT,

aucileblad saavadmyofoSi unda

darCnen da dRes, roca maT

eubnebian, saxlSi darCiTo, es

maia buwaSvili:

`mkacr karantins

didi efeqti

ar moaqvs~

maT panikaSi agdebs. amitom saxlSi

mkurnalobis modelze TandaTan

unda gadavsuliyaviT,

ojaxis eqimebic TandaTan unda

datreningebuliyvnen, rom isinic

aseT mZime dReSi ar Cagveyenebina.

Sesabamisad, process ufro

momzadebulebi SevxvdebodiT,

rac ganmuxtavda situacias.

_ Cven urTierTgamomricxav

gancxadebebs vismenT, xan gveub-

nebian, rom virusis pirveli

etapi jer ar dawyebula, xan ki

amboben, rom ukve meore etapi

daiwyo. am nawilSi rogoria

Tqveni pozicia, virusis rome-

li etapia axla Cvens qveyanaSi?

_ pirveli etapi Cven arc

gvqonia, Tavidan es iyo erTeuli

SemTxvevebi. infeqciis gavrcelebis

fazaSi, realurad, axla

SevediT.

_ ram gamoiwvia inficire-

bulTa ricxvis rekorduli

zrda? aris Tu ara es sazoga-

doebis mizezi im TvalsazrisiT,

rom igi saTanadod ar icavda

arsebul wesebs, maT Soris, so-

cialur distancias, pirbadis

tarebas?

_ nawilobriv aris, magram mxolod

sazogadoebis imedze ver

davrCebiT. yvelaferi ise unda

iyos gaTvlili, rom sazogadoebis

sisusteebi gaiTvaliswinon.

amitom esec winaswar ganWvretadi

unda yofiliyo, rom adamianebs

moswyindebodaT da am

wesebs Zalian didxans ver daicavdnen.

amis molodini ar unda

yofiliyo. meorec: zafxulis

periodSi aWaraSi aSkarad vxedavdiT

im qveynebidan Camosul

adamianebs, sadac Zalian maRalia

virusis gavrceleba. miuxedavad

imisa, rom TiTqos sazRvrebi Caketili

iyo, raRac saSualebebiT

mainc Semoedinebodnen inficirebuli

adamianebi.

_ inficirebulTa nawili

uyuradRebobaze saubrobs, nawili

ki ambobs, rom ojaxis eqime-

bi mobilurze ar pasuxoben.

aseT SemTxvevaSi es uyuradReboba

aris samedicino person-

alis mxridan Tu marTvasTan

dakavSirebuli problemaa?

_ roca aRvniSne, rom masStabebi

ver gaTvales, erT-erTi

swored es gaxlavT, rom 112-is

operatorebisa da ojaxis eqimebis

sakmarisi raodenoba ar aRmoCnda.

e. w. onlain klinikebis,

(romlebic distanciurad mar-

Taven pacients) raodenoba araadekvaturia,

axla TandaTan emateba,

magram am aRmavlobas ver mouswro.

amitom aris, rom pacientebi

didxans rCebian eqimTan

kontaqtis gareSe. realurad,

nebismieri tipis pacienti, visac

koronavirusi aqvs, maT Soris,

zogierTi, SeiZleba binazec darCes,

magram eqimTan kontaqti nebismiers

aucileblad sWirdeba,

ganmeorebiT rom ar gaiparos mogvianebiTi

garTulebebis riski.

_ roca gazafxulze inficir-

ebulTa erTeuli SemTxvevebi

iyo, paata imnaZe da amiran

gamyreliZe maSin Zalian xisti

gancxadebebiT gamoirCeodnen.

batonma imnaZem isic ki Tqva,

veRar daviTvliT saqarTvelo-

Si kuboebso. dRes ki maTi toni

Seicvala da amboben, rom situ-

acias marTaven. mas riT xsniT?

_ saerTo jamSi, am mimarTulebiT

qveynis politika Seicvala.

qveyanam sakuTar Tavze iwvnia is,

rom „loqdaunma” Zalian mZime

Sedegebi moitana, amitom es midgoma,

amJamad, saerTod Secvales.

axla aseTi taqtikaa: SedarebiT

liberaluri damokidebuleba da

wertilovani SezRudvebi. realurad,

es mxolod CvenTan ar

momxdara. zogma qveyanam sakuTar

Tavze gamoscada es yvelaferi,

maTac Tavidan sxva midgoma hqondaT

da axla SedarebiT Searbiles.

vfiqrob, gazafxulze gada-

Warbebuli iyo es SezRudvebi,

maSin ar gaxldaT amis aucilebloba.

faqtobrivad, Zalian bevri

SezRudva, romelmac seriozuli

problemebi Seuqmna adamianebs,

aSkarad gadaWarbebuli iyo.

_ Cvens mkiTxvels detalu-

rad rom avuxsnaT, rogor unda

moviqceT inficirebis SemTx-

vevaSi?

_ pirvel rigSi, panikaSi ar

CavvardeT. marTalia, am viruss

aqvs garTulebebi, magram asea

Tu isea, es mainc sasunTqi gzebis

erT-erTi infeqciaa. Cven

yovelwliurad vebrZviT gripis

epidemias zamTarSi da amitom

esec erT-erTi msgavsi daavadebaa.

ra Tqma unda, yuradReba da

sifxizle saWiroa, aseve unda

gvaxsovdes, rom SemTxvevaTa umravlesoba

TavisiT ganikurneba

da ar iqneba garTulebebi, Tumca

aris segmenti, sadac Zalian

frTxilad da fxizlad unda viyoT:

es aris qronikuli daavadebebis

mqoneebi da xandazmulebi.

unda viyoT eqimTan kontaqtSi.

gasagebia, rom problemebia 112-

Tan darekvisas, magram ar unda

gevebutoT 112-s da gavagrZeloT

darekva, rom yuradReba miviqcioT

da eqimi dagvikavSirdes,

radgan rac ar una msubuqi iyos

pacienti, riski imisa, rom mogvianebiT

garTulebebi daiwyos,

yovelTvis arsebobs. amitom

damoukideblad pacientma ar

unda miiRos araviTari gadawyvetileba

da mainc eqimis distanciuri

meTvalyureobis qveS

unda iyos, rom garTulebis

SemTxvevaSi saavadmyofoSi gadaiyvanon.

tkivilgamayuCeblisa da

sicxis damwevis garda binaze

CveniT medikamentebi ar unda

miviRoT, yvela sxva medikaments

unda moveridoT. Tu adre daniSnuli

gvqonda raRac mkurnaloba

Cveni sxva daavadebebis gamo,

am daniSnulebis miReba gavagr-

ZeloT da TviTneburad ar SevwyvitoT.

didi raodenobiT siTxe

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unda miviRoT. sul loginSi ar

unda viwveT, piriqiT _ oTaxSi

mainc vimoZraoT, es aris Trombozis

erT-erTi profilaqtika.

Tu eqimTan komunikaciisas saWiro

gaxda stacionarSi gadayvana,

nurc amaze gavuZaliandebiT.

tyuilad saavadmyofoSi aravin

aravis gadaiyvans. faqtia, rom

Tu ase Sefasda da gadayvana gaxda

aucilebeli, e. i. amis saWiroeba

marTlac arsebobs.

_ Tqven xazgasmiT aRniSneT,

rom inficirebis SemTxvevaSi

panikaSi ar unda CavvardeT. ra

kuTxiT aisaxeba panikaSi Cavardna

da ratom aris mniSvnelo-

vani simSvidis SenarCuneba?

_ Tu adamiani aris panikur

mdgomareobaSi, xSirad eCveneba,

rom aqvs sunTqvis gaZneleba. mec

araerTi pacienti mirekavs da

amis Sesaxeb meubneba. mas Semdeg,

rac didxans davelaparakebi,

damSviddeba da sunTqvis sixSire

xelaxla Sefasdeba, aRmoCndeba,

rom sulac ar aris realurad

sunTqvis ukmarisobis niSnebi da

es iyo emociur fonze arsebuli

simptomebi. magaliTad, gulmkerdis

areSi diskomfortisa da

moWeris SegrZneba zogs emociur

fonze aqvs. amitom mSvidad yofna

aucilebelia, raTa simptomebi

adekvaturad Sefasdes, ar gadavaWarboT,

rom sruliad ara

saWiro SemTxvevaSi konkretuli

adamiani ar gadaiyvanon stacionarSi,

rodesac sinamdvileSi es

simptomebi ar aris realuri.

_ Cveni mkiTxvelisTvis ufro

cxadi rom iyos, ra SemTxvevaSi

gadahyavT inficirebuli saa-

vadmyofoSi an rodis unda

moiTxovon stacionarSi misi

gadayvana?

_ es aris ojaxis eqimis gadasawyveti,

magram adamianebma rom

icodnen, ra aris is simptomebi,

rodesac riski iqmneba, aseTi simptomebia:

sunTqvis gaxSireba.


realurad axla SevediT!~

`zafxulis periodSi aWaraSi aSkarad

vxedavdiT im qveynebidan Camosul adamianebs,

sadac Zalian maRalia virusis gavrceleba.

miuxedavad imisa, rom TiTqos sazRvrebi

Caketili iyo, raRac saSualebebiT mainc

Semoedinebodnen inficirebuli adamianebi~

uxeSad, rom vTqvaT, mosvenebul

mdgomareobaSi wuTSi 30-ze meti

sunTqvis sixSire ukve sayuradRebo

niSania; aseve silurje,

magaliTad, tuCebis irgvliv an

mkveTri sifermkrTale, Zlieri

an moWeriTi tkivili gulmkerdis

areSi, maRali temperatura,

romelic ar emorCileba sicxis

damwevebs da gulis frialis magvari

mdgomareoba.

_ daavadebaTa kontrolis

erovnuli centris xelmZRvane-

li paata imnaZe acxadebs, rom

dadebiT mxareebad udavod SegviZlia

CavTvaloT qarTuli agresiuli, prorusuli

nacionalizmis sruli kraxi.

ras SeiZleba migvaniSnebdes „patriotTa

aliansis” 5-dan 3%-mde CamoqveiTeba?

da es maSin, rodesac ramdenime warmatebuli

mitingis wyalobiT inaSvilmouravebis

TviTSefasebis donem aSkarad

imata.

pirvel rigSi, Cven vnaxeT, ras warmoadgens

es dajgufeba xelisuflebis

daxmarebis gareSe.

adre, rodesac „qarTul ocnebas” saqmeebi

kargad misdioda, mas hqonda sateliti

partiisTvis parlamentSi ramdenime

adgilis Cuqebis fufuneba. rodesac

120 adgili gaqvs _ mokavSires 5-6 savar-

Zels uproblemod gauziareb.

sul sxvaa, rodesac giWirs da yovel

procents oqros fasi aqvs. maSin Cuqebisa

da qvelmoqmedebis dro aRaraa. „

aliansma” imdeni miiRo, ramdenic TavisiT

ekuTvnoda.

aris kidev ufro konkretuli mizezebi

_ „aliansma” Zalian gamoaaSkarava

sakuTari Tavi, rogorc ruseTis agenturam,

xolo maTma samarcxvino voiaJma

afxazeTSi reitingis zrdis nacvlad,

rac iyo, isic CamoSala.

Tumca aris ufro Rrma da fundamenturi

mizezi _ qsenofobiisa da ucxo-

noembris Sua ricxvebSi dReSi

inficirebis 4000-mde SemTxveva

iqneba. Tqveni SefasebiT, ramde-

nad gauZlebs amas jandavis

sistema?

_ radgan es aris sruliad axali

virusi, masTan dakavSirebiT

prognozebi yovelTvis varaudis

doneze keTdeba, Tumca sxva qveynebis

statistika gviCvenebs, rom

aRmavlobis dawyebidan, saSualod,

6-8 kviraa pikis periodi da

mere ukve iwyebs klebas. Sesabamisad,

noembris dasawyisSi, albaT,

ukve pikis mdgomareobaSi unda

gadavideT da Semdeg _ klebisken.

Tu sworad gakeTdeba pacientebis

triaJi, anu gadarCeva imis

mixedviT, Tu vis sWirdeba stacionarSi

mkurnaloba da vis Seu-

Zlia binaze darCena, ganxorcieldeba

binaze sworad marTva,

aseT SemTxvevaSi sawolebis raodenoba

adekvaturi aRmoCndeba.

mTavaria, stacionarSi ar daikavon

adgilebi im adamianebma,

romlebsac saerTod ar sWirdebaT

es. aseTi SemTxvevebi dResac

bevri gvaqvs, rodesac inficirebuli,

aseve sxvadasxva daavadebis

mqone xandazmuli asakis adamiani

gareT gvrCeba da stacionarSi

garTulebebis riskis armqone

pacientebi imyofebian.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom garTulebebis

riskis mqone inficir-

ebuli xandazmuli pacientebi

gareT rCebian, maSin roca Se-

darebiT msubuqi simptomebis

mqone adamianebi stacionarSi

wvanan. ra aris amis mizezi garda

imisa, rom pcientebis gadarCevis

nawilSi garkveuli prob-

lemebi arsebobs?

_ samwuxarod, saqarTveloSi

dRemde muSaobs nacnobobis faqtori.

Tu pacients axlobeli

hyavs da mas daJinebiT surs stacionarSi

moxvedra, zog SemTxvevaSi

aseTi adamianebi axloblebis

wyalobiT xvdebian saavadmyofoebSi.

erT-erTi SesaZlo

mizezi swored es aris da aseve

inficirebulebis araswori gadarCeva.

Cven vxedavT, rom adamianebis

ori polusi Seiqmna: erTi, romelic

ambobs, rom es virusi saer-

Tod ar arsebobs (paradoqsia

amaze saubari da erTxel da samudamod

unda dasruldes, radgan

es xels uSlis sifrTxilis

zomebis dacvas _ rasac ar aRiareb,

Sesabamisad, imis profilaqtikasac

ar akeTeb); meore polusia:

ukiduresad SeSfoTebuli

adamianebi, romelTa nawili

saerTod Caiketa da sazogadoebas

mowyda, nawili koronavirusis

dadasturebis SemTxvevaSi

saerTod sasowarkveTilebaSi

vardeba. raRacnairad unda vecadoT,

rom am infeqcias SevxedoT,

rogorc sakmaod seriozuls

da safrTxilos, magram, ase

Tu ise, sruliad daZlevad daavadebas.

Zalian mniSvelovania,

rom sakiTxs racionalurad mivudgeT.

31 oqtomberi _ agresiuli nacionalizmis kraxi

motivaciis specialistebi gvaswavlian, rom

Tengiz abloTia

yvelaferSi, yvelaze cudSic ki, raRaca kargi

unda veZeboT. Tu SevecdebiT, gasul arCevneb-

Sic bevri ram kargi SeiZleba aRmovaCinoT, maT Soris, iseTi, rasac saarCevno

cieb-cxelebaSi veravin amCnevs.

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elebisadmi zizRis gaRvivebiT ver aiwyob

politikur karieras qveyanaSi, romlis

ekonomikis TiTqmis 20% ucxoelebzea

damokidebuli.

ra Tqma unda, prorusul, primitiul

eTnonacionalizms saqarTveloSi Tavisi

adgili aqvs, magram is, ZiriTadad,

popularulia gaunaTlebel lumpenproletarebs

Soris. magram saqarTveloSi

lumpenebi aminds arasdros qmnian da

sxva Tu araferi, arCevnebzec TiTqmis

ar dadian.

STambeWdavi iyo aseve qarTuli veluri

eTnonacionalizmis burjis _ „qar-

Tuli marSis” Cavardna, romelic auTsaiderebSic

ki ar fiqsirdeba.

esec bevr raRacaze metyvelebs _ saqarTvelo,

ra Tqma unda, homofobiuri

qveyanaa, Tumca geebze dausrulebeli

saubrebiT aq politikuri karieras ver

gaakeTeb _ aratradiciuli seqsualuri

orientacia, romelic saocrad aqtualuria

socialur qselebSi, realur

cxovrebaSi arsebul problemebs Soris

1524-e adgilzea.

yvelaferi, riTic mamapapuri qarTvelebi

iwoneben Tavs, es zedapirulia da

saarCevnod saerTod ar gamodgeba:

„Turquli muqara”, „iranelebma iyides

mTeli saqarTvelo”, „dasavleTs qarTvelebis

homoseqsualistebad gadaqceva

surs”, aRtyinebuli saubrebi qarTvelobasa

da marTlmadideblobaze _ drois

usargeblo flangvaa.

aseve aSkarad gamoCnda „inteligenturi”

prorusulobis marcxi _ am mimar-

Tulebas daxvewili da Wkviani nino burjanaZe

warmoadgens. is Zalian kargad da

damajereblad laparakobs, Tavis azrs

sworad da gasagebad ayalibebs, Tumca

misma partiam 1%-ze naklebi miiRo...

es aris bolo arCevnebis dadebiT mxareebi,

romlebic ar dasruldeba am

2020 wlis oqtomberSi da SesaZloa, bolos

da bolos, saqarTveloSi politikosebi

mixvdnen _ qsenofobiuri ritorikiT

isini usargeblo dabali fenis simpaTiebis

sanacvlod, saSualo fenas kargaven.

swored im saSualo fenas, romelic

realurad gansazRvravs situacias

qveyanaSi.

dadebiTia isic, rom „qarTulma ocnebam”,

asea Tu ise, proporciuli arCevnebi

waago. qocmeTaurebi ki trabaxoben

„damajerebeli gamarjvebiT”, Tumca

ceskos monacemebiTac ki maT es arCevnebi

waages _ 48% wagebaa.

maT arCevnebSi ar gaumarjviaT, radganac

saqarTveloSi maJoritaruli

sistema _ es saerTod arCevnebi araa, es

raRac sxva tipis movlenaa.

SesaZloa, pandemiisa da xalxis naklebi

aqtiurobis gamo xmebis dacva ver

SevZloT da „qarTulma ocnebam” sabolood

Zalaufleba SeinarCunos _ amis

albaToba sakmaod maRalia da es yvelam

unda gaviTvaliswinoT.

magram „qarTuli ocnebis” uZlevelobis

Sesaxeb miTi pirwmindad daingra _

aRmoCnda, rom arc miliardebi da arc

qurdebi araa sakmarisi gamarjvebisTvis.

„qarTuli ocnebisTvis” es mZime dartyma

iqneba, xolo opoziciisTvis _ momavali

gamarjvebis garanti 2024 wels,

rodesac maJoritaruli maSveli rgoli

warsuls Cabardeba.

Znelia dRes warmodgena, rom es banda

xelisuflebaSi 2024 wlamde darCeba,

Tumca amis albaTobac arsebobs.

da es am arCevnebis yvelaze cudi mxarea.

17

am droisTvis arsebuli monacemebiT,

goCa da badri esebuebs

naTesauri kavSiri ar unda hqondeT,

Tumca maT, gvaris garda, isic

aerTianebT, rom orivem mZevlebi

aiyvana. egaa oRond: goCa esebuas,

romelic 1998 wlis 9 Tebervals

maSindel prezidentze, aw gansvenebul

eduard SevardnaZeze

ganxorcielebul teraqtSic figurirebda,

politikuri moTxovnebi

hqonda. badri ki, ubralod, Tanamedrove

qarTvel robin hudad

mogvevlina, rac imas niSnavs, rom

sazogadoebis nawili mis mimarT

araTu simpaTiiT aris ganwyobili,

aramed erT-erT saarCevno ubanze,

rogorc socialur qselSi gavrcelebuli

foto mowmobs, biuletens

xeliT miawera _ „badri esebua

_ Tavisufali kreditorebi”.

xumroba iqiT iyos da, badri

esebuas qeisi, weRandeli Tqmisa ar

iyos, ukvalod ar Caivlis, Tumca

manamde Tvali gadavavloT qarTuli

Semdgari Tu arSemdgari teraqtebis

anatomias.

saerTod, terorizmi mSvidobiani

mosaxleobis mimarT Cadenili,

politikurad motivirebuli Zaladobaa,

romelic sazogadoebaze

zemoqmedebis mizniT gamoiyeneba.

msoflio istorias araerTi teraqti

axsovs, Tumca terorizmis

winaaRmdeg mTeli civilizebuli

samyaro 11 seqtembris tragediis

Semdeg gaerTianda. qarTvelebi ki

am kuTxiTac „mowinaveTa rigebSi”

varT, anu jer kidev Sav-bnel 90-

ianebSi e. w. mini Tu maqsi teraqtebi

lamis Cveni yoveldRiuroba iyo.

***

yvelaferi ki 1994 wlis 3 dekembers

daiwyo _ am dRes edp-s imJamindeli

lideri, gia Wanturia, sakuTari

saxlis sadarbazosTan, manqanaSi

Cacxriles. WanturiasTan

erTad misi dacvis wevri, merab baramiac

daiRupa. irina sariSvili

ki, romelic aseve manqanaSi ijda,

sikvdils saswaulebrivad gadaur-

Ca.

gamoZiebiT dadginda, rom teroristuli

aqti „mxedrionis”

wevrebma moawyves. marTalia, damnaSaveebi

daapatimres da mere maleve

Seiwyales, magram am tragediidan

26 wlis merec zustad ar

viciT, gia Wanturias mkvleloba

vin da ra mizniT SeukveTa.

sxvadasxva versiiT ki, Wanturias

mkvlelobis erT-erT Semkve-

Tad _ arc meti, arc naklebi _

eduard SevardnaZec saxeldeboda.

aseve eWvi arsebobda uSiSroebis

18


qarTuli teraqtebis anatomia,

marTalia, arCevnebis Sedegeb-

giorgi abaSiZe

ma, ufro sworad, egzitpolebisa

da ceskos pirveladi monacemebis

SeuTavseblobam koronapandemiac dagvaviwya da zugdi-

dis bankis Zarcvac, magram mova dro da, yvelafers, maT Soris,

31 oqtombris „saukunis gayalbebasac” Tavisi saxeli daerqmeva.

isic cxadia, rom odesme badri esebuas rebusic amoix-

sneba da detalurad Tu ara, nawilobriv mainc gavigebT, ra

moxda zugdidSi, anu ra amoZravebda badri esebuas da, saer-

Tod, sad gaqra im naxevari milioniT, romelic „ocnebis”

xelisuflebis maRalCinosnebma miarTves. ise, CvenTvis rom

vTqvaT, Tavidanve cxadi iyo, rom yvelaferi is, rac 21 oq-

tombers sadadianoSi xdeboda, Cveulebrivi kriminali ar iyo

da saqme sxva ramesTan, Tundac teraqtTan gqvonda. Tavdapirvelad

amis Sesaxeb xelisufleba miniSnebiTac arafers am-

bobda, Tumca bolos, saqmes swored teraqtis kvalifikacia

misca da... ai, ase: saqarTvelos uaxles istoriaSi teroris-

tis saxeliT ukve meore adamiani Seva, Tumca pirvelis, e. i.,

goCa esebuasgan gansxvavebiT, badri esebuas gaumarTla _ goCa

esebua mokles, misi mogvare badri ki 500 aTasi dolariT ise

gauSves, rom dRemde ar viciT, cam Caylapa Tu miwam.

yofil ministrebze _ SoTa kviraiasa

da igor giorgaZeze.

ise, igor giorgaZes teraqtebisken

midrekileba rom aqvs, es bavSvmac

ki icis. yovel SemTxvevaSi, or

aTeul welze metia, „nomer pirvel

qarTvel teroristad” iTvleba,

anu marTalia, Wanturias mkvlelobaSi

giorgaZis braleuloba

ar damtkicda, samagierod, is 1995

wlis 29 agvistos, eduard SevardnaZeze,

romelic maSin saxelmwifo

meTauri gaxldaT, ganxorcielebuli

teraqtis organizatoradaa

miCneuli.

***

sxvaTa Soris, aw gansvenebul

SevardnaZes teraqti sul samjer

mouwyves da samivejer gadarCa.

pirvelad 1992 wlis 3 oqtombers,

afxazeTSi rusi samxedroebi

daesxnen Tavs. meored _ saqarTvelos

respublikis parlamentis imdroindeli

Senobis („imeli”) ezo-

Si im dros aafeTqes, roca qarTuli

politikuri elita „moswavle-

Ta sasaxleSi” konstituciis xelmoweris

sazeimo ceremonialze iyo

Sekrebili. SevardnaZec swored am

wveulebaze midioda...

moulodnelad, „imelis” ezoSi

Zlieri afeTqebis xma gaisma. maleve

gairkva, rom TeTri feris „niva”

afeTqda, romelic iqve, avtosadgomze

idga. cecxlma eduard SevardnaZis

manqanamdec miaRwia. dacvam

saxelmwifo meTauri almodebuli

avtodan uswrafesad gadmoiyvana...

manqana mTlianad daiwva.

piradi dacvis wevrebma SevardnaZe

„JiguliSi” gadasves da respublikur

saavadmyofoSi miiyvanes...

eqimebma daadgines, rom ambrosis

Zes seriozuli dazianebebi

ar hqonda, anu SuSis namsxvrevebma

saxe da mkerdi umniSvnelod

dauziana.

marTalia, am Tavdasxmas didi

rezonansi moyva da saukunis saqmedac

moinaTla, magram momxdarze

pasuxi mxolod „mxedrionis” liderebma,

uSiSroebis saministros

yofilma maRalCinosanma, Temur

xaCiSvilma da igor giorgaZis mier

Camoyalibebuli specdaniSnulebis

razmis wevrebma nawilobriv ages,

anu sasamarTlos mier teraqtis

organizatorebad cnobili pirebi

Seiwyales. aRsaniSnavia, rom braldebulebidan

damnaSaved erTic ar

scnobda Tavs.

rac Seexeba igor giorgaZes,

romelic am teraqtis organizatoradaa

miCneuli, man saqarTvelo

maleve datova da moaruli xmiT,

riT hgavs da riT

gansxvavdeba badri goCasgan?

qveynidan gasvlaSi rusebi daexmarnen.

es mTlad usafuZvlo eWvi

araa, rameTu 25 welia, igor giorgaZe

moskovSi cxovrobs da iqidan

„gvmoZRvravs”.

***

29 agvistodan gaivlis TiTqmis

oTxi weli da SevardnaZe teroristebis

samizne kidev erTxel

gaxdeba: 1998 wlis 9 Tebervals, e.

w. samTavrobo trasaze, sadac

yoveldRe dadis, prezidents Wurvebs

esvrian, Tumca eduard SevardnaZis

„mersedess” iseTi traeqtoriiTa

da im nawilSi erTic ar

moxvdeba, rom manqanis salonSi

SeaRwios. Sesabamisad, avtomobili

seriozulad daziandeba, magram

SevardnaZe isev gadarCeba.

orTaWalis Tavdasxmas eduard

ìse, igor giorgaZes teraqtebisken

midrekileba rom aqvs, es bavSvmac ki icis.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, or aTeul welze metia,

`nomer pirvel qarTvel teroristad~ iTvleba,

anu marTalia, Wanturias mkvlelobaSi

giorgaZis braleuloba ar damtkicda,

samagierod, is 1995 wlis 29 agvistos, eduard

SevardnaZeze, romelic maSin saxelmwifo

meTauri gaxldaT, ganxorcielebuli teraqtis

organizatoradaa miCneuli~

SevardnaZis dacvis ori wevri Seewireba.

momxdaridan ar gava didi dro

da teraqtze pasuxismgeblobas

erT-erTi CeCeni meTauro, raduevi

aiRebs. amasTan, isic gaxdeba cnobili,

rom teraqtis monawileebi,

ase vTqvaT, momzadebas CeCneTSi

gadiodnen. male damnaSaveebis vinaobac

dadgindeba _ isini „zviadistebi”

aRmoCndebian, romlebic

sasamarTloze amayad ityvian, _

diax, teraqti Cven ganvaxorciele-

To, Tumca am aRiarebis miuxedavad,

eqspertebi dRemde miiCneven

rom 9 Tebervlis movlenebi ruse-

Tis ÃÐÓ-m dagegma da „zviadistebi”,

ubralod, gamoiyena.

gava dro da 9 Tebervlis ambebis

erT-erTi figuranti, goCa esebua,

sazogadoebis yuradRebis

centrSi isev moeqceva.

„SeiZleba, pirdapir iTqvas:

teroristuli aqti eduard SevardnaZis

winaaRmdeg 1998 wlis 9

Tebervals ruseTisa da iCqeriis

specsamsaxurTa erToblivi operacia

iyo. „zviadistebi” Clung iaraRad

gamoiyenes, oRond bolomde

ar endnen da sakuTari mebrZolebi

gamoayoles.

ruseTis motivacia, am SemTxvevaSi,

gansakuTrebul axsna-ganmartebas

ar saWiroebs _ kremls

yovelTvis surda da surs saqarTveloSi

situaciis areva, qaosisa

da areulobis provocireba, magram

CeCneTs raRa undoda, ratom

unda awyobdes saqarTveloSi destabilizacia?

nu avCqardebiT! raki jerjerobiT

ver miaRwies grozno-Tbilisis

saavtomobilo trasis gaxsnas,

iCqeriis liderebs „erToblivi

teraqtiT” surdaT moskovisTvis

daemtkicebinaT, rom Tu ruseTi

cnobs iCqeriis suverenitets, CeCneTi,

miuxedavad 400-wliani omisa,

mzad aris, iqces ruseTis „strategiul

mokavSired kavkasiaSi” aSS-sa

da dasavleTis interesTa sawinaaRmdegod.

es formula Riad Camoayaliba

aslan masxadovma erT-erT gamosvlaSi.

araviTari „kavkasieloba” es

ar aris. aqedan Cans, rom „kavkasiuri

erTobac” iluzia yofila da

sxva araferi, es iluzia gulubryvilo

qarTvelebis gasacureblad

moigones, raTa maxeSi SevetyuebineT.

9 Tebervlis teraqtis mTavari

„aRmasrulebeli” (ara organizatori,

aramed „aRmasrulebeli”

organizatorebi groznosa da moskovSi

arian), goCa esebua, romelic

gaeros winaaRmdeg jixaSkaris

provokaciis dros intensiur molaparakebas

awarmoebda „moskovel

zviadistebTan”, qarTulma uSiSroebam

mokla, Tumca, rasakvirvelia,

sjobda, daepatimrebina, magram

aq araprofesionalizmi gamomJRavnda”,

_ vkiTxulobT 1999

wels gazeT „meridianSi” gamoqveynebul

werilSi.

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esebuadan _ esebuamde:

rac Seexeba goCa esebuas da mis

mier mZevlebis ayvanas, am ambavs

samxedro eqsperti irakli aladaSvili

ase ixsenebs:

„1998 weli saqarTvelosTvis

Zalian rTuli gamodga. jer iyo

da, 9 Tebervals TbilisSi, krwanisTan

prezident SevardnaZis Sejav-

Snul „mersedess” cxvirSi yumbarsatyorcnis

kumulaciurqobiniani

raketa moartyes, aT dReSi samegreloSi

gaeros oTxi samxedro

damkvirvebeli mZevlad aiyvanes da

sofel jixaSkarSi hyavdaT gamoketili,

ramac msoflio donis rezonansi

gamoiwvia. maisSi galSi namdvili

omi daiwyo intensiuri sroliTa

da qarTvelebis saxlebis gadawviT,

xolo agvistoSi, amjerad,

kako eliavam senakis brigadidan

tankebi „moipara” da quTaisisken

daZra…

rogorc samxedro Jurnalists,

yvela am movlenis epicentrSi momiwia

yofna, SevardnaZis afeTqebuli

„mersedesis” imave Rames daTvalierebidan

eliavas „moparuli”

tankebis senakis brigadaSi dabrunebis

CaTvliT, magram yvelaze

Tavgadasavliani mainc jixaSkarSi,

teroristebsa da ucxoel mZevlebTan

malulad Separva aRmoCnda.

sofelTan ZiriTadi misasvlelebi

Sinagani jarebis mebrZolebsa

da policias hqonda

gadaketili da eqskluziuri masalis

mosapoveblad orma Jurnalistma

da fotografma tye-Rre SemovliTi

gzebiT viareT, jixaSkar-

Si, mebonias saxlisTvis rom

migvegno, sadac gaeros warmomadgenlebi

hyavdaT mZevlad ayvanili.

adgilze iseTi suraTi dagvxvda,

rom msoflios istoriaSi mZevlobagamovlili

verc erTi adamiani

ver daikvexnida megruli stumarTmaspinZlobiT

gaSlil sufrasTan

„stokholmis sindromi”

zenitSi iyo asuli: mZeval-teroristi

erTmaneTs Wiqas uWaxunebda

da megobrobas eficeboda…

msoflios terorizmis istoriaSi

am erT-erTi yvelaze daujerebeli

faqtis organizatori ki goCa

esebua gaxldaT, romelic 1991

wlidan prezident zviad gamsaxurdias

mxares ibrZoda, mas gahyva

CeCneTSi da iq moamzada jgufi,

romelic 1998 wlis 9 Tebervals

TbilisSi prezident eduard SevardnaZis

korteJs Tavs daesxa”.

goCa esebuas mier gaeros damkvirveblebis

erTkvirian datyvevebas

maSindeli qarTuli media

tragikomediad monaTlavs, tragikomdiad,

romlis pirveli nawilic

„hefi endiT” dasruldeba,

anu esebua mZevlebs gaaTavisuflebs,

uSiSroebis imdroindeli

ministri jemal gaxokiZe ki ityvis,

teroristTa xelmZRvaneli da misi

ori Tanamoazre miimalneno.

`2005 welsve saqarTveloSi iseTi ambavi moxdeba, romelic mxolod Cvens ki

ara, TviT aSS-is instebliSmentsac Seazanzarebs, anu 10 maiss TbilisSi aSS-

is prezidenti jorj buSi Camova da... cota xanSi cnobili gaxdeba, rom vinme

vova aruTinovi buSis mokvlas cdilobda... aruTinovis dakavebis

specoperacia ramdenime saaTs gastans - braldebuli samarTaldamcvelebs

SeiaraRebul winaaRmdegobas gauwevs, ris Sedegadac Sinagan saqmeTa

saministros antiteroristuli departamentis ganyofilebis ufrosi, zurab

qvliviZe daiRupeba~

„rogorc Cans, xelisuflebam

neba darTo esebuas, „aorTqlebuliyo”

im motiviT, rom saerTa-

Soriso damkvirveblebs raime ar

daSavebodaT. sarwmuno wyaros

cnobiT, amis Taobaze gaxokiZem da

esebuam jer kidev orSabaTs moilaparakes.

danarCenma teroristebma ki xelisuflebis

lmobierebis garantia

miiRes; ra Tqma unda, im pirobiT,

Tu maT marTlac ar aqvT

pirdapiri kavSiri SevardnaZeze

ganxorcielebul TavdasxmasTan.

mokled, jixaSkarSi sisxli ar

daiRvara da mZevlebi gadarCnen,

Tumca sayuradReboa gaxokiZis sityvebi:

„Zalis gamoyenebas SeiZleba

jaWvuri reaqcia mohyolodao.

maSasadame, mainc iyo saSiSroeba,

rom sisxlisRvras garkveuli

eqscesebi gamoewvia samegrelos

sxva regionebSic”.

...teroristebi fiqroben, rom

TavianTi misia Seasrules _ TbilisSi

daiwyo molaparakeba eqsprezidentis

momxreebsa da amJamindel

xelisuflebas Soris, oRond

umalve gairkva, rom nemo burWulaZe

da yofili xelisuflebis

sxva warmomadgenlebi sinamdvile-

Si aravis warmoadgenen. isini erTdroulad

moRalateebad gamoacxada

„zviadisturi” moZraobis orive

frTam _ rogorc manana arCvaZegamsaxurdiam,

aseve profesorma

kikaCeiSvilma. sayuradReboa, rom

oriveni uzenaesi sabWos namdvil

Tavmjdomared amJamad parizSi

mcxovreb biZina ColoyaSvils asaxeleben.

aq ori simboluri motivia: nemo

burWulaZe ar moswonT da moRalated

acxadeben, vinaidan es

ukanaskneli moskovSi cxovrobs.

parizi ki sxva Sinaarsisa da datvirTvis

Semcvelia. parizi yovel-

Tvis qarTuli (da ara mxolod

qarTuli) emigraciis „navsayudeli”

iyo. garda amisa, „biZina ColoyaSvilic”

kargad JRers; amitom

„zviadistebma” rusi biznesmen nemo

burWulaZis nacvlad, romelsac

saqarTvelosTan 1992 wlis Semdeg

mogonebebis garda, albaT, aRaraferi

akavSirebs, biZina ColoyaSvili

airCies, visac didebuli gvar-saxeli

mainc akavSirebs samSoblosTan.

mTeli am istoriidan gamarjvebuli

udavod xelisufleba gamovida,

vinaidan mZevlebs araferi dauSavdaT

da samegreloSi areuloba

ar daiwyo (amaze uaresi raRa

unda momxdariyo). moskovic ki, romelsac

samegrelodan axali marTvadi

qaosis agorebis imedi hqonda,

idiotur mdgomareobaSi aRmoCnda”,

_ esaa amonaridi 1998 wels

gamomavali erT-erTi qarTuli

gazeTidan.

ratom iyo goCa esebuas qeisi

tragikomedia? _ imitom, rom „meore

seriaSi” yvelaferi tragikulad

damTavrda, anu goCa esebua

mokles, Tan simboluria, rom is

saiqios 31 marts, zviad gamsaxurdias

dabadebis dRes gaistumres.

***

goCa esebuas amboxebidan arcTu

didi xnis Semdeg SevardnaZis

winaaRmdeg kidev erTi „zviadisti”

ajanydeba _ polkovnik akaki eliavas,

romelic prezident zviad gamsaxurdias

momxre erovnuli gvardiis

oficeri gaxldaT da devnil

prezidents bolomde uerTgula,

SevardnaZis xelisufleba 1995

wels Semoirigebs, Tumca es Semorigeba

myife aRmoCndeba, anu 1998

wlis oqtomberSi eliava da misma

momxre oficrebi senakSi ganlagebuli

Tavdacvis saministros samxedro

brigadas miimxroben, kanonier

xelisuflebas aRdgenilad gamoacxadeben,

mZevlad uSiSroebis

ministrsa da prezidentis rwmunebuls

aiyvanen da quTaisisken

daiZrebian, Tumca amboxeba ramdenime

saaTSi CaifuSeba da akaki

eliava, TanamebrZolebTan erTad,

samegrelos tyeebs Seafarebs Tavs,

saidanac ori wlis ganmavlobaSi

medias uproblemod ekontaqteba...

2000 wlis 10 agvistos eliava da

misi razmi moulodenlad zestafonSi

gamoCndeba... specsamsaxurebi

eliavas moklaven. arsebobs

versia, rom uSiSroebam is mizanmimarTulad

mokla, radgan... Zalian

bevri ram icoda... sxvaTa Soris, goCa

esebuac SesaZloa, swored amitom

mokles. ise, logikur jaWvs iqiTken

mivyavarT, rom badri esebuasac bevri

informacia unda hqondes, Tumca

am kuTxiT msjelobis gagrZeleba,

jobia, am etapze „davapauzoT”...

***

„vardebis revolucia” rom moxda,

mosaxleobis absoluturma umravlesobam

daijera, rom Sav-bneli

90-ianebis ganukiTxaoba warsuls

Cabarda, Tumca... nuras ukacravad:

2005 wels goris samxareo

policiis SenobasTan afeTqeba

moxdeba, romelsac, oficialuri

monacemebiT, 3 adamianis sicocxle

emsxverpleba. am afeTqebas teraqtis

kvalifikacia miecema.

„am teraqtis ukan ruseTis mTavari

sadazvervo sammarTvelos

agentebi idgnen”, _ ityvis Ss maSindeli

ministri vano merabiSvili.

2005 welsve saqarTveloSi ise-

Ti ambavi moxdeba, romelic mxolod

Cvens ki ara, TviT aSS-is instebliSmentsac

Seazanzarebs, anu

10 maiss TbilisSi aSS-is prezidenti

jorj buSi Camova da... cota

xanSi cnobili gaxdeba, rom vinme

vova aruTinovi buSis mokvlas

cdilobda... aruTinovis dakavebis

specoperacia ramdenime saaTs

gastans _ braldebuli samarTaldamcvelebs

SeiaraRebul winaaRmdegobas

gauwevs, ris Sedegadac

Sinagan saqmeTa saministros antiteroristuli

departamentis

ganyofilebis ufrosi, zurab qvliviZe

daiRupeba.

ra motiviT apirebda vova aru-

Tinovi buSis mokvlas? _ es dRemde

aravin icis, samagierod, viciT,

rom aruTinovs samudamo patimroba

aqvs Sefardebuli.

***

mas Semdeg, rac xelisuflebaSi

„ocneba” mova, sazogadoebaSi gaCndeba

gancda, rom kriminali „Tavs

kargad grZnobs”, rasac isic Seuwyobs

xels, rom „ocneba” farTomas-

Stabian amnistias gamoacxadebs da

cixis kari yvela ZaRlisa da mamaZaRlisTvis

gaiReba. hoda, Sedegic

ar daayovnebs da 2016 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebamde ramdenime

dRiT adre, Tbilisis centrSi,

kerZod, kolmeurneobis moedanze,

imJamad „nacionaluri moZraobis”

wevr givi TargamaZes teraqts mouwyoben,

anu deputatis manqana af-

Tqdeba, Tumca politikosi uvnebeli

gadarCeba.

amas mohyveba ramdenime wlis win

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gabriel salosis quCis specoperacia

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`saxelmwifom erTi kriminalis

boboqar winasaarCevno vneba-

giorgi sakaruli

nana TaRelvasTan erTad saqarTvelo-

555 42 42 81 Si erT-erTi yvelaze xmauriani

Tema zugdideli bankis mZarcve-

lis, badri esebuas saqme gaxldaT, romelsac, terorizmis

braldebiT, ager ukve mesame kviraa, uSedegod eZebs Zalovani

uwyeba. mediaSi vrclad ganixilaven esebuas mier ganxor-

cielebuli Tavdasxmis TiToeul detals yvela aspeqtSi, misi

e. w. ayvanis specoperacias, radgan is ukve oTxjer gaeqca samarTaldamcvelebs

da, faqtobrivad, 21-e saukunis saqarTve-

los legendarul damnaSaved iqca.

„qronika+~ esaubra neirol-

ingvisturi

programirebis

specialist nana Carkvians da

SevecadeT, masTan erTad Segvedgina

badri esebuas fsiqoportreti,

ramdenadac es Ses-

aZlebeli gaxldaT arsebul

informaciaze dayrdnobiT:

_ nana, „saqarTvelos bank-

is” zugdidis filialTan

dakavSirebuli istoria aris

Tu ara imis dasturi, rom Cve-

ni Zalovani uwyebebi ususuria

kriminalis pirispir?

_ Tu mxedvelobaSi gaqvs mxolod

konkretuli magaliTi,

maSin suraTi marTlac ase gamoiyureba,

Tumca rodesac raime

faqti fasdeba, aucilebelia

vicodeT, gvaqvs Tu ara sakmarisi

informacia calsaxa daskvnis

gasakeTeblad. me ki mgonia,

rom informacia sakmarisi

ar aris, amitom iZulebuli

varT vilaparakoT im monacemebze

dayrdnobiT, rac xelT

gviWiravs. aRniSnul danaSauls

Zalian saintereso da mravlismetyveli

aspeqtebi aqvs, romelic

gacilebiT ufro mniSvnelovania,

vidre, vTqvaT, erTi

Tavdamsxmelis dakaveba-ardakaveba.

_ kerZod, ra aspeqtebia?

_ upirvelesad is garemoeba,

rom naxevari Tu oTxi milionis

wamRebi esebuas mimarT sazogadoebis

damokidebuleba

ar aris calsaxa! mTeli am xnis

ganmavlobaSi socqselebSi mkafiod

gamoikveTa sazogadoebis

didi nawilis pozitiuri

damokidebuleba damnaSavis mimarT.

es nawili aRniSnul

faqts aRiqvams prizmaSi: „Seergos!”

Zalianac kargi!” „Rirsi

arian!” da a. S. amave nawils uxaria

is garemoeba, rom samar-

Taldamcvelebma aqamde ver Se-

Zles braldebulis dakaveba.

mediaSi vnaxeT, rom zugdi-

deli teroristi (rogorc mas

uwodeben) oTxjer gaeqca Zalovnebs

didi Zalisxmevis gar-

eSe!

zemoaRniSnuli miuTiTebs

imaze, rom:

- esebuam SeZlo sazogadoebis

nawilis simpaTiis mopoveba;

- esebuam SeZlo, „TamaSis”

sakuTari wesebi ekarnaxa saxelmwifosTvis;

- esebuam SeZlo, marto

dapirispireboda da gamklaveboda

mTel sistemas;

- esebuam SeZlo, mieca magaliTi

sxva kriminalebisTvis

da daenaxvebina maTTvis, rom

savaldebulo sulac araa, Caidino

danaSauli da amisTvis

daisajo! ai, naxe, realurad, ra

moimoqmeda man: SeiWra bankSi;

aiyvana 43 mZevali; ar dauRvria

wveTi sisxli; aiZula policia,

cimcim gadaecaT misTvis naxevari

milioni; gamoeyoT transporti;

gaeyolebinaT „eqskorti”

da gaekeTebinaT misTvis

derefani usafrTxo adgilze

gadasasvlelad.

_ xelisuflebis gancxadeb-

iT, isini ufrTxildebodnen

umTavress: adamianebis sic-

ocxles. ar eTanxmebi?

_ amis ugulebelyofa ar

SeiZleba adamianebis sicocxle

marTlac umTavresia. oRond,

didi albaTobiT: 1. zugdidel

terorists ar hqonia

ganzraxuli sisxlis daRvra; 2.

mas gacnobierebuli hqonda sikvdili;

3. is wavida va-bankze

misTvis zemniSvnelovani motivaciiT;

4. am miznisTvis mzad

iyo, daeTmo sakuTari sicocxle.

man xom Tavad ganucxada

mZevlebs, rom cocxali ar Cabardeboda

samarTaldamcvelebs?

da es sruli simarTle

gaxldaT; 5. man zustad icoda,

rom im pirobebSi, roca media

lamis bankis Senobidan „laiv-

Si” gadmoscemda mimdinare movlenebs,

xelisufleba ver gabedavda

damnaSave daekavebina

msxverplis fonze da damsgavseboda,

vTqvaT, putins, romelmac

2002 wlis 22-dan 26 oqtombris

periodSi, moskovSi, dubrovkaze,

Teatraluri centris

SenobaSi gamagrebul CeCen „boevikebs”,

movsar baraevis xelm-

ZRvanelobiT, romlebsac mZevlad

hyavdaT ayvanili miuzikl

„nord-ostis” msaxiobebi, mayurebeli

da Teatris Tanam-

Sromlebi, ruseTis federaciis

saxelisuflebo organoebze

zegavlenis moxdenis mizniT,

raTa CeCneTis teritoriidan

maT jarebi gaeyvanaT, uCvena

„vin aris aq ufrosi” da msxverplis

fasad (daiRupa 130 mZevali)

teroristebisgan gawminda

„nord-ostis” Senoba.

amitomaa, rom Cveni samar-

Taldamcvelebis mtkicebis miuxedavad,

_ gvaRelvebda mxolod

mZevlebis sicocxle, gana

susti varTo, _ darCa STabeWdileba,

rom saxelmwifom erTi

kriminalis pirispir, bodiSs

movixdi gamoTqmisTvis, magram

Caisvara.

_ ra zemniSvnelovani moti-

vacia unda hqonoda bankis

mZarcvels?

_ axla amas Tavad esebuas

garda vin ityvis? magram zemniSvnelovani

rom iyo misTvis,

amaze mkafiod metyvelebs mis

mier danaSaulis zedmiwevniT

kargad dagegmva, momzadeba da

ganzraxvis sisruleSi moyvanac.

man zustad icoda, raze

midioda da Sedegebzec hqonda

pasuxismgebloba gacnobierebuli.

metic: am miznis misaRwevad

igi mzad iyo gaeRo sicocxle,

radgan ar surda amis

gakeTeba sxvisi sicocxlis xarjze.

SegiZlia Semedavo, magram

mas ar undoda arc naxevari

da arc iseTi oTxi milioni,

romlis gamoc SeiZleboda, mkvlelad

qceuliyo. am SemTxveva-

Si mis mizans gaetana fuli uv-

nana Carkviani:

`mZarcvels

gacnobierebuli

hqonda, rom am aqtisas

SesaZloa, daRupuliyo

snaiperis tyviiT da

amisTvis mzad iyo~

neblad da iqaurobas mSvidobiT

gacloda _ azri ekargeboda.

rogor unda damtkbariyo

didZali fulis flobis gancdiT,

Tu es mizani sikvdilze,

Tanac sxvisaze, gacvala?

_ ras niSnavs, gacnobiere-

buli hqonda sikvdili? anda

rogor SegiZlia Tqva dabejiTebiT,

rom ganzraxvis sisruleSi

moyvanisas sxvis sic-

ocxles ar Seiwiravda?

_ dabejiTebiT mxolod

erTi ramis Tqma SeiZleba, rom

xval aucileblad gaTendeba

da isic ara yvelasTvis... ra

Tqma unda, aravin icis, kritikul

momentSi an esebua an

mZevlebi ras moimoqmedebdnen.

xolo Tu vinmes hgonia, rom

zustad icis, Tavad raze

„moawers” an ar „moawers” xels

- esebuam SeZlo sazogadoebis nawilis

simpaTiis mopoveba;

- esebuam SeZlo, `TamaSis~ sakuTari wesebi

ekarnaxa saxelmwifosTvis;

- esebuam SeZlo, marto dapirispireboda da

gamklaveboda mTel sistemas;

- esebuam SeZlo, mieca magaliTi sxva

kriminalebisTvis da daenaxvebina maTTvis, rom

savaldebulo sulac araa, Caidino danaSauli

da amisTvis daisajo!

afeqtSi, es „vinme” ityueba. me

vlaparakob imaze, rac met-naklebad

TvalsaCinoa arsebul

monacemebze dayrdnobiT da ra

STabeWdilebas tovebs damna-

Save. rac Seexeba sikvdilis

gacnobierebas, ufro martivad

rom vTqva, esaa sikvdilis gardauvlobis

imwamieri aRqma,

roca adamianma icis, rom mis

mier gaweuli riski ar Semoifargleba

mxolod sasurveli

miznis miRweva-armiRweviT. mZarcvels

gacnobierebuli hqonda,

rom am aqtisas SesaZloa

daRupuliyo, vTqvaT, snaiperis

tyviiT da amisTvis mzad iyo.

yvelam viciT, rom erT dResac

movkvdebiT, magram es jer

kidev ar niSnavs sikvdilis gacnobierebas.

es, ubralod, faqtis

konstataciaa, romelic

odesme ki dadgeba, magram ggonia,

rom ara am wuTSi. dasasruli

gacnobierebuli gaqvs,

roca raRacas, am SemTxvevaSi

mizans cvli raRacaSi am SemTxvevaSi

sakuTar sicocxleSi.

zemoTqmulze dayrdnobiT,

SemiZlia vTqva, rom mZarcvels

aqvs kargi organizaciuli

unar-Cvevebi, myari fsiqika, Si-

Sisa da agresiis marTvis unari

da Zalian uyvars sicocxle!

aris manipulatoric, cxadia.

_ rogorc mZevlebi Tavad

acxadeben, esebua sakmaod keT-

ilganwyobili iyo maT mimarT.

_ aba, ra, giyvardes sicocxle,

niSnavs giyvardes sxvisi

sicocxlec. ara mgonia, mZarcvels

windawin efiqra imaze, mZevlebs

xaWapuriT gaumaspinZldeboda

Tu ludiT, magram maTi

keTilganwyobis mopovebaze

rom ifiqra, amas isic adasturebs,

rom zogierTma mZevalma

mas gulic gadauSala! aseTi

rame xdeba transportSic, Sor

gzaze mimavali erTmaneTisTvis

ucxo adamianebi xSirad gulaxdiloben

da TavTavianT cxovrebaze

uyvebian erTmaneTs. jer

erTi, rom gza male daileva,

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20 N27 (329) 3.11-9.11.2020 w.

meorec es maT arafers avaldebulebs

da mesame msmenels

pirvelad da, albaT, ukanasknelad

xedaven. es mniSvnelovani

faqtoria.

_ rogor ggonia, marTla

gawiravda Tavs naxevari mil-

ionis gamo?

_ marTla. oRond ara naxevari

milionis gamo. man mSvenivrad

icoda, rom mis mier dagegmili

aqtis warumateblobis

SemTxvevaSi, Tu mas cocxals

aiyvandnen, arasgziT da arasodes

apatiebdnen gana naxevari

milionis waRebas anda mSvidobiani

moqalaqeebis daterorebas,

aramed imis demonstrirebas,

rom saxelmwifos mklavi

gadauwia.

_ fiqrob, rom mas ver aiyv-

anen?

_ Tuki esebuam ase kargad

dagegma is, rac ganaxorciela,

darwmunebuli var, dagegmili

da kargad gaTvlili eqneboda

Semdegi nabijebic: anu sad, ro-


pirispir Caisvara~

dis, rogor da ranairad Se-

Zlebda mimalvas, Tavis Sefarebas,

adgil-samyoflis gasaidumloebas

da ukve Semdgom cxovrebis

gagrZelebas.

_ xelisuflebam gamoaqveyna

dokumenti, romlis mixed-

viTac esebua ar aris moqmedi

samxedro mosamsaxure. Sesa-

Zlebelia, rom misi motivacia

SurisZiebac yofiliyo?

_ Tu ar vcdebi, im dokumentSi

naTqvamia, rom „kontraqtis

pirobebis darRvevis gamo”...

daTxovnil iqnas samxedro samsaxuridano.

vfiqrob, arsebobs

albaToba imisa, rom is ar iyo

zemdgomTa brZanebebis upirobo

Semsrulebeli, arada, samxedro

samsaxurSi disciplina

pirvel adgilze unda idges!

rakiRa mas SeeZlo kontraqtis

pirobebis darRveva da urCoba,

Tanac iyo pirveli klasis

rigiTi, anu specialuri momzadebis

mqone da Tanac, aseTi windaxeduli,

ara mgonia, rom SurisZieba

mTavari mamoZravebeli

motivi yofiliyo misTvis.

aq mizani ufro konkretuli da

kargad gacnobierebulia. oRond,

ra amas Tavad Tu ityvis.

_ Tu ipoves da daakaves,

SesaZloa, Tqvas kidec.

_ Cven gvaqvs magaliTebi,

rodesac qarTvelma Zalovnebma

mavani da mavani pirebi „ver

ipoves”. maT Soris iseTebic,

romlebic dRemde mosvenebas

ar aZleven moqmed xelisuflebas.

nu dagvaviwydeba, rom sazogadoebis

garkveuli nawili

mis mimarT dadebiTad aris ganwyobili

da amis dasturs socqselebSic

vnaxavT. Sesabamisad,

Sansi imisa, rom mas ucnobi adamianebic

ki daexmaron sxvadasxva

motivaciiT, ar SeiZleba

gamoiricxos.

_ unda gaeSuqebina Tu ara

medias esebuas mier jer mZevlebis

ayvanisa da Semdgom mimdinare

specoperaciebis faqt-

ebi ise, rogorc vixileT?

_ mediis saqme isaa, rom movlenebi

gaaSuqos, Tumca msgavss

SemTxvevebSi arsebobs standartebi,

romelTa dacvac upriania.

da kidev mgonia, rom teroristTan

molaparakebis warmoeba

unda ekisrebodes specialists

da ara ubralod romelime

ganyofilebis xelmZRvanels,

Tundac is Zalian gabedulad

moqceuliyo, radgan aq

mTavaria ara msxverplSewirva,

aramed saxelmwifosTvis minimaluri

danakargebiT maqsimalurad

efeqtiani Sedegis miReba.

_ rogor ggonia, ratom mo-

iTxova esebuam naxevari da

ara, vTqvaT, erTi an ori milioni?

mokled, imdeni daasaxe-

la, ramdenis tarebasac iolad

SeZlebda?

_ Tu esebuam marTlac naxevari

milioni moiTxova. es kidev

erTxel metyvelebs misi

miznis mniSvnelovnebaze, radgan

aq kilogramebis Trevaze ki

araa saubari, aramed imaze, rom

terorists esmis fuli araa mizani,

is mxolod resursia miznisken

mimaval gzaze.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom ter-

oristi mizanswrafulia?

_ ginda Tqva, rom ara?!

_ rogor ggonia, ras iRonebs

saxelmwifo Selaxuli im-

ijis aRsadgenad?

_ ar vici, ras iRonebs, magram

zustad vici, ra unda iRonos!

_ mere, gviTxari.

_ es aRar exeba fsiqoportrets,

es ukve politikuri

Wrilia, amitom mosazrebebs CemTvis

Sevinaxav.

`zemoTqmulze dayrdnobiT, SemiZlia vTqva,

rom mZarcvels aqvs kargi organizaciuli

unar-Cvevebi, myari fsiqika, SiSisa da agresiis

marTvis unari da Zalian uyvars sicocxle!

aris manipulatoric, cxadia~

mesame gverdidan

- saerTod, msoflios yvela qveyana-

Si es periodi aseTia.

_ rogori aseTi?

_ arCevnebis damTavrebidan parlamentis

pirvel Sekrebamde arCevnebSi

monawile subieqtebs ufleba aqvT, gaaproteston,

aqciebi Caataron da pirobebis

Secvla moiTxovon. Tu komendantis

saaTs daniSnavs da iaraRiT gaekideba,

es xelisuflebisTvis mTlad uaresi

iqneba.

_ ratom?

_ jer saarCevno procedurebi ar

damTavrebula da xalxs ukve angariSsworebisTvis

dasdevs! amas demokratiasTan

saerTo araferi aqvs!

_ batono valeri, ceskom arCevnebi

dasrulebulad ra droSi unda gamo-

acxados?

_ 20 dReSi, anu daskvna unda daweros

da arCevnebis Sekrebis TariRic daniSnos.

_ e. i., meaTe mowvevis parlamenti,

wesiT, noembris bolos unda Seikri-

bos, ara?

_ jer meore turic unda dainiSnos

da ai, meore turis Semdeg ceskos kidev

oci dRe eqneba.

_ Tu opozicia boikots gamoacxa-

debs, meore turs raRa azri eqneba _

„ocnebis” maJoritarobis kandidatebi

isedac xom gamarjvebulebi iqnebian?

_ meore turi mainc unda Catardes.

`Tu gavCumdebiT,

putinisa da lukaSenkos

momavali gvelis!~

àrCevnebis damTavrebidan parlamentis pirvel

Sekrebamde arCevnebSi monawile subieqtebs

ufleba aqvT, gaaproteston, aqciebi Caataron da

pirobebis Secvla moiTxovon. Tu komendantis

saaTs daniSnavs da iaraRiT gaekideba, es

xelisuflebisTvis mTlad uaresi iqneba~

_ Tu meore turSi cota amomrCeve-

li mivida, ra moxdeba?

_ erTi amomrCevelic rom mivides,

arCevnebi Catarebulad CaiTvleba.

_ sainteresoa...

_ es periodi yvela qveyanaSi, weRandeli

Tqmisa ar iyos, saintereso fazaa...

_ bolos, batono valeri, pirvel

noembers, parlamentis win gamarTul

aqciaze, nika meliam e. w. saprobacio-

nero samajuri moixsna. hoda, wvrilfexa

„qocebma” erTi ambavi atexes, sas-

wrafod dasaWeriao. kobaxiZem ki Tqva,

melias axla daWera politikurad

swori ar iqnebao. samarTlebrivad nika

melias ra elis?

_ Tu iuridiulad vsaubrobT, procedurulad,

es qmedeba reagirebas iTvaliswinebs,

anu sasamarTlom unda imsjelos,

aRmkveTi RonisZieba unda Seucvalos

Tu ara. sxvaTa Soris, samarTaldamcvelebs

maSinve unda SeedginaT oqmi,

rom probaciis wesebi dairRva, Tumca

verdiqti mainc sasamarTlom unda

gamoitanos, anu ase, avtomatur reJim-

Si, xels veravis mokideben da cixeSi

ver Seiyvanen.

_ didi madloba, batono valeri, wa-

rmatebas gisurvebT da odesme karg

qveyanaSi cxovreba, albaT, gveRirse-

ba!

_ aucileblad! Tu yvelani gavCumdebiT,

putinisa da lukaSenkos momavali

gvelis!

N27 (329) 3.11-9.11.2020 w.

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`kanonebs is adamianebi weren,

erT-erTi bolo kanoni, rome-

giorgi abaSiZe

lic wina, anu me-9 mowvevis parlamentma

miiRo, SromiT urTier-

TobebTan dakavSirebul sakiTxebs exeba, anu martivad rom

vTqvaT, Sromis kodeqsSi cvlilebebi Sevida, romlis Tanax-

madac, SromiTi diskriminaciis akrZalvasTan, individualur

SromiT urTierTobebTan, SromiTi urTierTobis warmoSobasa

da samuSaos SesrulebasTan, aseve SvebulebasTan, Sromis

anazRaurebasTan, samuSao adgilze informaciis miwodebasa

da konsultaciis gamarTvasTan dakavSirebuli sakiTxebi ax-

leburad 2021 wlis pirveli ianvridan daregulirdeba. niSan-

doblivia, rom momavali wlidan funqcionirebas daiwyebs

Sromis inspeqciac. es ki, rogorc „rkinigzelTa axali pro-

fkavSiris” warmomadgeneli, ilia leJava ambobs, damsaqmebel-

Ta da dasaqmebulTa urTerTobas radikalurad Secvlis.

kerZod, ra cvlilebebze

saubrobs Cveni respondenti? _

am detalebs winamdebare inter-

viudan SeityobT da aseve imasac

gaigebT, Tu rogor da ra mizniT

qmnian saxelmwifos daqvemdebarebaSi

arsebuli organiza-

ciebis administraciebi feik,

anu e. w. yviTel profkavSirebs.

_ ilia, saubari imiT daviwy-

oT, rom cota xnis win me-9

mowvevis parlamentma, rogorc

vici, Sromis kodeqsSi garkveu-

li cvlilebebi Seitana.

_ diax, SromiT politikaSi

reforma gatarda, anu ramdenime

kanonSi cvlileba Sevida, maT

Soris, Sromis kodeqsSic.

amasTan, Sromis inspeqciis Sesaxeb

damatebiTi kanonic Seiqmna.

_ yvelaferi es qveyanas, sadac

samuSao adgilebi, praq-

tikulad, ar arsebobs, xolo

vinc muSaobs, umetesad sajaro

uwyebebSi arian dasaqmebulni,

ras aZlevs?

_ iqidan daviwyoT, rom Sromis

inspeqcia saqarTveloSi 2006

wlidan aRar arsebobda da

gaeros Sromis saerTaSoriso

organizaciis 182 wevri qveynidan

saqarTvelo erTaderTi iyo,

romelsac Sromis inspeqcia ar

hqonda, anu Sromis kodeqsi ki

iyo, magram misi aRmasrulebeli

instituti aRar arsebobda. sxvaTa

Soris, es instituti kaxa

benduqiZem, Tavis droze, im motiviT

gaauqma, rom korumpirebuli

iyo. amis gamo dasaqmebuli da

damsaqmebeli erTmaneTis pirispir

darCnen, anu maT urTier-

TobaSi saxelmwifo aRar ereoda

da Sromis kodeqsi, ubralod, or

furcelze arsebobda. damsaqmebeli,

ra Tqma unda, Zlieria da

marto datovebul dasaqmebulebs

Cagravda. swored amis

Sedegia, rom Rirseuli da zeganakveTuri

Sromis anazRaurebis

problema dadga. amasTan, problemebi

Sromis usafrTxoebis

kuTxiTac gaCnda.

_ es problemebi xom im dro-

sac arsebobda, roca Sromis

inspeqcia funqcionirebda?

_ diax, magram Sromis inspeqciis

gauqmebiT es sfero saxelmwifos

interesebis miRma aRmoCnda.

_ ilia, me, rogorc dasaqmebuli,

Tu vxedav, rom damsaqme-

beli Cems uflebebs arRvevs,

gana, ar SemiZlia, es uflebebi

Sromis inspeqciis gareSe davic-

va da damsaqmebels, minimum, im

pirobebze ar davTanxmde,

romelsac is mTavazobs?

_ ki batono, SegiZliaT, rom

damsaqmebels SemoTavazebul

pirobebze ar dasTanxmdeT, magram

saqme isaa, rom ukeTess samuSaos

ver ipoviT. amitom iZulebuli

gaxdebiT, im pirobebze,

rasac dasaqmebuli giyenebT,

dasTanxmdeT. erTi sityviT, saxelmwifom

minimaluri standarti

mainc unda daadginos.

_ da es minimaluri standar-

ti ra aris?

_ magaliTad, damsaqmebelma

dasaqmebuli kviraSi ramdeni

dRe unda amuSaos an zeganakve-

Turi samuSaos anazRaurebisa da

xelfasis gacemis wesi rogori

unda iyos. damsaqmebeli swored

am minimaluri standartiT unda

xelmZRvanelobdes, magram Tu

damsaqmebeli am minimalur standarts

ar icavs, es Sromis inspeqciam

unda gaakontrolos da yvela

nebismier ganviTarebul an

ganviTarebad qveyanaSi ase xdeba.

axali kanoniT, romelic 2021

wlis pirveli ianvridan amoqmeddeba,

Sromis inspeqcias yvelafer

zemoTqmulis gakontroleba

SeuZlia. Sesabamisad, Sedegsac

pirveli ianvridan davinaxavT.

_ keTili, magram kanoni er-

Tia, misi aRsruleba ki _ meore,

anu gamoricxavT, rom es kanoni

mkvdradSobili

aRmoCndes?

Tanac qveyanaSi korufcia isev

mZvinvarebs...

_ evrokavSirTan asocirebis

xelSekrulebis Tanaxmad, Cvens

qveyanas gaeros Sromis saerTa-

Soriso organizaciis ailos

standartis Sesruleba evaleba.

sxvaTa Soris, Tavis droze, asocirebis

xelSekrulebaSi es valdebuleba

profkavSirebis moTxovniT

Caido, anu evrokavSirs

Sromis pirobebis makontrolebeli

instituti ar aqvs da Tavidan

bolomde gaeros standartebiT

xelmZRvanelobs. amitomac

evrokavSirs vuTxariT, Tu Sen

gaeros standartebiT xelmZRvanelob,

maSin am standartebis

danergva Cvens qveyanasac mosTxoveo.

erTi sityviT, asocirebis

xelSekrulebaSi weria, rom saqarTveloSi

Sromis uflebebi gaeros

Sromis saerTaSoriso organizaciis

standartebiT unda

daregulirdes.

_ gaeros Sromis saerTa-

Soriso organziaciis Sromis

standartebi, mainc, rogoria?

_ es organizacia qveynebs

mouwodebs, rom Sromis inspeqcia

sammxrivi formatiT _ mTavrobis,

damsaqmebelTa asociaciisa

da dasaqmebulTa warmomadgenlebiT

dakopleqtdes, anu es uwyeba

socialuri partniorebis

mmarTvelobis qveS iyos. yvelaferi

es ki korufcias gamoricxavs.

_ e. i., am modeliT xelisu-

fleba damsaqmebelsa da dasaqmebuls

Soris erTgvarad mediatoris

funqcias unda as-

rulebdes, ara?

_ diax, am urTierTobaSi saxelmwifos

Tavisi roli aqvs.

_ ise, ilia, Tqveni dakvirvebiT,

damsaqmeblebi dasaqmebul-

Ta uflebebs totalurad imitom

xom ar arRveven, rom xelisu-

ilia leJava:

ìseT kanonebs

iRebdnen, romliTac,

tyibuleli meSaxtis

uflebebi ki ara,

sakuTari interesebi

iyo win wamoweuli~

flebis „dakriSvis” imedi aqvT

da ca qudad ar miaCniaT,

dedamiwa ki _ qalamnad?

_ amas ver getyviT, magram Tu

daakvirdebiT, igive sakanonmdeblo

uwyebaSi biznesisa da iseTi

politikuri partiebis warmomadgenlebi

arian, romlebic

konkretuli kanonebis misaRebad

biznesisgan finansdebian.

_ mTel msoflioSi asea, rom

biznesi partiebSi fuls, ase

vTqvaT, abandebs...

_ diax da mec magas vambob _

partiebi daxmarebas imitom iReben,

rom biznesisTvis sasurveli

politika gaataron. sxvaTa Soris,

Tavis droze, „ocnebam” Tqva,

memarcxene politikuri partia

varo da evropis memarcxene partiebis

erT-erT yvelaze msxvil

gaerTianebaSi gawevrianda, ma-

`sabWoTa gamocdilebidan gamomdinare,

ratomRac, gvgonia, rom dResac iseTi

profkavSiri unda gvqondes, rogoric sabWoTa

dros iyo. sinamdvileSi ki ase araa, anu

profkavSiri is organizacia ar aris, romelic

garedan mova da dagexmareba~

gram, amis miuxedavad, viciT, wina

mowvevis parlamentSi ama Tu im

qalaqisa da raionis maJoritarebi

vin iyvnen.

_ vin?

_ es adamianebi iseT kanonebs

iRebdnen, romliTac magaliTad,

tyibuleli meSaxtis uflebebi

ki ara, sakuTari interesebi iyo

win wamoweuli. sxvaTa Soris,

Sromis kodeqsis ganxilvebisas

parlamentSi debatebs „ocnebis”,

„nacionaluri moZraobisa” da

„patriotTa aliansidan” iseTi

politikosebi gvimarTavdnen,

romlebic konkretul biznes-interesebTan

asocirdebian, anu

kanonebs iseTi adamianebi weren,

romelTac konkretuli interesebi

aqvT...

_ socialuri qseliT xSirad

vrceldeba informacia, rom e.

w. qselur marketebSi adamiane-

bi, praqtikulad, monur pirob-

ebSi muSaoben... ilia, Tqveni dakvirvebiT,

dasaqmebulTa uflebebi

yvelaze metad romel sf-

eroSi

irRveva?

_ 12-15 welia, damsaqmebeli da

dasaqmebuli pirispir arian dar-

Cenilebi. am xnis ganmavlobaSi,

SedarebiT ukeTesi mdgomareoba

iseT kompaniebSia, sadac dasaqmebulebma

gaerTianeba da konkretuli

organizaciis, anu profkavSiris

Camoyalibeba moaxerxes.

es adaminebi damsaqmeblebTan marto

ki ar arian darCenilebi, aramed

konkretuli pirobebi damsaqmebels

erTad mosTxoves da e.

w. koleqtiuri xelSekrulebac

gaaformes. samwuxarod, koleqtiuri

xelSekrulebebi bevri

araa, magram aseT kompaniebSi

SromiTi uflebebis dacvis ku-

TxiT SedarebiT normaluri

situaciaa.

_ CvenSi darCes da, dasaqme-

bulTa gaerTianeba skandalSi

araerTxel gaxveula. Sesabamisad,

Cndeba kiTxva, _ profkavSiri

adamianebis SromiT ufle-

bebs realurad icavs?

_ es Tema ucxo namdvilad

araa.

_ anu?

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romelTac konkretuli interesebi aqvT...

_ sabWoTa gamocdilebidan

gamomdinare, ratomRac, gvgonia,

rom dResac iseTi profkavSiri

unda gvqondes, rogoric sabWo-

Ta dros iyo. sinamdvileSi ki ase

araa, anu profkavSiri is organizacia

ar aris, romelic garedan

mova da dagexmareba.

_ aba, profkavSiri ra aris?

_ profkavSiri kanoniT gawerili

SesaZleblobaa, romelic

imis saSualebas gaZlevs, rom ama

Tu im organizaciaSi gaerTianeba

Tavad koleqtivma Seqmnas da

Tavadve marTos, anu imis kiTxva,

profkavSiri dasaqmebulTa uflebebs

icavs Tu arao, arasworia.

adaminebs hgoniaT, rom profkavSiri

iseTi organizaciaa,

romelsac sadRac ofisi aqvs,

sadac mivlen da is daexmareba.

_ ofisiani profkavSiric

viciT, romelsac petriaSvili

xelmZRvanelobs...

_ magaliTad, me rkinigzis

profkavSirs warmovadgen, aseve

metros, pedagogebis, maRaroelebisa

da sxva profkavSirebic

arsebobs.

_ sxvaTa Soris, Jurnaliste-

bis profkavSiri ar arsebobs.

_ diax, amis mcdeloba gqondaT,

magram, ratomRac, ver SeqmeniT.

mediis warmomadgenlebma

profkavSiri Tavad iseve unda

SeqmnaT, rogorc, magaliTad,

rkinigzelebma gavakeTeT.

erTi sityviT, 35-ma profkav-

Sirma kidev erTi uwyeba _ profkavSirebis

gaerTianeba davafuZneT,

romelic Cvens saqmianobas

ufro metad aZlierebs, anu

saqarTvelos profkavSirebis gaerTianeba

sxvadasxva dargobrivi

profkavSiris mieraa dafuZnebuli

da mas gamgeoba marTavs, irakli

petriaSvili ki am organizaciis

aRmasrulebeli xelmZRvanelia.

_ rogorc maxsovs, petriaSvilis

mimarT kiTxvebi finan-

suri kuTxiTac arsebobda, ara?

_ yvelaferi es ar dadasturda

da irkali petriaSvili Tavmjdomared

meoredac avirCieT.

saerTod, saqarTvelos profkav-

Sirebis gaerTianebis funqcia

isaa, rom dargobrivi profkav-

Sirebis mxardasaWeri kampaniis

kuTxiT imuSaos, ai, magaliTad,

romel kanonSi ra xarvezia, sad

ra tribuna unda moviTxovoT da

a. S. ise, Tu dasaqmebulebs profkavSirebis

Seqmna surT, Cven

SegviZlia davexmaroT da saWiroebis

SemTxvevaSi, iuridiuli

daxmarebac gavuwioT. iseT organizaciebSi

ki, sadac dasaqmebulebs

profkavSiri ar aqvT Seqmnili,

Cven pasuxismgeblobas

ver aviRebT.

_ ilia, yvelam viciT, rom

saqarTvelos rkinigzaSi bevri

cudi xdeba. hoda, Tqven, rog-

orc rkinigzelTa profkavSiris

warmomadgeneli, rigiTi rkinigzelebis

uflebebis dacvas ax-

erxebT Tu vera?

_ diax, diax, Zalian bevri cudi

xdeba. ai, magaliTad, rkinigzis

administraciam rkinigzelTa

profkavSirs e. w. yviTeli orga-

`Sromis inspeqcia saqarTveloSi 2006 wlidan aRar arsebobda da gaeros

Sromis saerTaSoriso organizaciis 182 wevri qveynidan saqarTvelo

erTaderTi iyo, romelsac Sromis inspeqcia ar hqonda, anu Sromis kodeqsi

ki iyo, magram misi aRmasrulebeli instituti aRar arsebobda. sxvaTa

Soris, es instituti kaxa benduqiZem, Tavis droze, im motiviT gaauqma, rom

korumpirebuli iyo. amis gamo dasaqmebuli da damsaqmebeli erTmaneTis

pirispir darCnen, anu maT urTierTobaSi saxelmwifo aRar ereoda da

Sromis kodeqsi, ubralod, or furcelze arsebobda~

nizacia Seuqmna da dasaqmebulebs

iseT pirobebSi ayenebs, rom

Cveni organizacia datovon da iq

gawevriandnen. am „yviTel profkavSirs”

rkinigzis administracia

marTavs da Tavis wevrebs saaxalwlo

saCuqrebs urigebs an eqskursiebze

dahyavs. Cveni funqcia

ki isaa, rom rkinigzis administracias

mivuTiToT, dasaqmebulTa

uflebebi sad irRveva.

_ roca dasaqmebulTa uflebebis

dacvas cdilobT, dam-

saqmeblebisgan problemebi ar

geqmnebaT xolme?

_ ra Tqma unda. yvelafers

Tavi rom davaneboT, rkinigzelebs

administracia Cvens organziaciaSi

gawevrianebas ukrZalavs

da Tu vinme mainc gawevriandeba,

diskomforts uqmnis. amitom

rkinigzelTa umravlesobam

am daSinebasa da zewolas ver

gauZlo da administraciis mier

Seqmnil profkavSirSi gadavida.

_ ilia, ganmimarteT, „yviTe-

li profkavSiri” ras niSnavs?

_ „yviTeli profkavSiri” administraciisganaa

marTuli. amis

daSveba saxelmwifosgan ar Sei-

Zleba, magram Cveni qveynis mTavrobas

amaze reaqcia ar aqvs. sxvaTa

Soris, yvelafer amis gamo,

anu sanam rkinigzis administracia

am e. w. yviTel profkavSirs

ar gaauqmebs, aSS-Si peticia arsebobs,

romelic saxelmwifo

departaments saqarTvelosTan

Tavisufal vaWrobaze SeTanxmebaze

molaparakebis dawyebasac ki

ukrZalavs.

_ „yviTeli profkavSiri” mxolod

rkinigzis administra-

ciam Seqmna?

`Zalian bevri cudi xdeba. ai, magaliTad,

rkinigzis administraciam rkinigzelTa

profkavSirs e. w. yviTeli organizacia Seuqmna

da dasaqmebulebs iseT pirobebSi ayenebs, rom

Cveni organizacia datovon da iq

gawevriandnen. am `yviTel profkavSirs~

rkinigzis administracia marTavs da Tavis

wevrebs saaxalwlo saCuqrebs urigebs an

eqskursiebze dahyavs. Cveni funqcia ki isaa,

rom rkinigzis administracias mivuTiToT,

dasaqmebulTa uflebebi sad irRveva?~

_ aseTi profkavSiri sam organizaciaSi

_ fostaSi, rkinigzasa

da ganaTlebis saministro-

Si iyo.

_ da rodis Seiqmna?

_ jer kidev saakaSvilis dros

da zemoxsenebuli peticiac swored

maSin Seiqmna. ise, kongresma

tramps daavala, saqarTvelosTan

Tavisufali vaWrobis SeTanxmeba

ganaaxleo, magram trampma

werilobiT pasuxSi miuTiTa, sanam

peticia, anu saCivari ar Caixureba,

ufleba ar maqvs, molaparakebebi

raime saxiT win wavwioo.

axla, xom xvdebiT, saxelmwifosgan

„yviTeli profkavSiris”

Seqmna ra donis darRvevadac

iTvleba?!

_ ukacravad, saxelmwifo ra

SuaSia?

_ rkinigzis administracias

mTavroba niSnavs. es administracia

ki, imisTvis, rom namdvil

profkavSirs xeli SeuSalos, e. w.

yviTel profkavSirs qmnis. sxva-

Ta Soris, Cemi ofisi rkinigzis

administraciis SenobaSia da,

albaT, gaxsovs, erTi wlis win,

agvistoSi, rkinigzis administraciam

policiis ZaliT gamogvyara,

Tumca sasamarTlom

rkinigzis administracia daavaldebula,

rom mxolod SenobaSi

ki ar unda SegviSvas, aramed

muSaobaSi xelic ar unda SegviSalos.

mokled, Cvensa da rkinigzis

administracias Soris urTierToba

Zalian gafuWebulia.

sxva tipis Seviwroebis faqtic

bevria. amitomac saqarTvelos

xelisufleba SeniSvnasac Zalian

bevrs iRebs. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

evrokavSirisa Tu aSS-is saxelmwifo

departamentis yovelwliur

angarSSi, adamianis ufleba-

Ta nawilSi, Cvens qeiss erTi Tavi

yovelTvis eZRvneba xolme.

_ ra amis pasuxia da, koronaepidemiis

gamo bevri dasaqmebulis

ufleba dairRva. yve-

lafers Tavi rom davaneboT,

uamravma adamianma dakarga sam-

saxuri. am xalxis uflebebs

saqarTvelos profkavSirebis

gaerTianeba rogor icavs?

_ saqarTvelos profkavSirebis

gaerTianeba kanoniT, Tavisi

wesdebiTa da ideiTac valdebulia,

rom sakuTari wevrebi daicvas.

am pandemiis gamo ki saqar-

Tvelos profkavSirebis gaer-

Tianebam mTlianad gaxsna kari.

_ es ras niSnavs?

_ yvela dasaqmebuls, visac

problema Seeqmna, SeuZlia, profkavSirs

mimarTos da iuridiul

daxmarebas Tu sxva serviss ufasod

miiRebs.

_ mere, dasaqmebulebma Tqve-

ni SeTavazeba miiRes?

_ diax, aTasobiT qeisi dagvigrovda

da iuristebis damatebac

mogviwia _ saqmes ver avudivarT,

radgan Sromis minimaluri standarti

TiTqmis yvela damsaqmebelma

daarRvia, anu aq imaze ki

araa saubari, rom dasaqmebuli

saxlSi ijdes da damsaqmebelma

xelfasi uxados.

_ arsebobs Sansi, rom es dav-

ebi dasaqmebulTa sasargeblod

dasruldes?

_ ra Tqma unda. sxvaTa Soris,

Tu saqarTvelos profkavSirebis

gaerTianebis statistikas CavxedavT,

davebis 98% Cven sasargeblodaa

gadawyvetili. sasamarTlom

aradamakmayofilebeli

gadawyvetileba wina wels, Tu ar

meSleba, mxolod or davaze miiRo.

_ gasagebia, rom profkav-

Sirebi davebs igebs, magram sainteresoa,

damsaqmeblebi sasamarTlo

gadawyvetilebebs as-

ruleben?

_ diax, asruleben. erTader-

Ti, azotis saqmeze, sasamarTlo-

Si 58 muSis sarCeli gvqonda Setanili.

yvela movigeT, Tumca

eqvsze aRsrulebis erovnuli

biuro problemas qmnis, magram es

procesic male dasruldeba da

damsaqmebeli, nebismier SemTxvevaSi

sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas

aRasrulebs, radgan

sasamarTlos bgadawyvetilebis

araRsruleba calke danaSaulia.

_ bolos, ilia, xelisuflebis

Secvla dasaqmebulTa mdgo-

mareobas gaaumjobesebs?

_ xelisuflebaSi vin iqneba,

amas mniSvneloba ar aqvs, radgan

profkavSiri, nebismier SemTxvevaSi,

politikaSi Rrmad CarTuli

uwyebaa, Tumca ar SeiZleba,

profkavSiri partiuli iyos.

mokled, profkavSiri verc erT

xelisuflebas dauWers mxars,

Tumca Cvens yvela wevrsa Tu

liders SeuZlia, sakuTari pozicia

individualurad gamoxatos.

erTi sityviT, Cveni samuSao

nebismieri mTavrobis dros Zalian

mZime, rTuli da didia. ise,

arc erTi partiisgan ar veliT,

rom xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg

dasaqmebulebTan midgomas

Secvlian, amitom profkavSirs

yovelTvis meti aqtiuroba mogviwevs.

politikurma partiebmac

Cveni rekomendaciebi ufro metad

unda gaiziaron, radgan is

mdgomareoba, rac dRes damsaqmeblebsa

da dasaqmebulebs Soris

aris, Seicvalos.

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sazogadoebrivi organizacia

„devnilTa xmis” damfuZnebeli

valeri katukia „qronika+~-sTan

ambobs, rom inficirebulTa

ricxvi gacilebiT maRalia. misi

azriT, dafinansebis Semcireba

okupirebul regions seriozul

poblemebs Seuqmnis. Tumca

katukiasTvis gacilebiT mniS-

vnelovania sxva problema,

romelic mTian yarabaRs ukav-

Sirdeba.

ra signalebi modis yarabaRidan?

Seicvleba Tu ara demografiuli

viTareba okupire-

bul afxazeTSi? ras elodebian

afxazebi Tbilisisgan? Seicvala

Tu ara qarTvelebis mimarT

damokidebuleba xajimbas wasvlis

Semdeg? ras apireben dev-

nilebi 31 dekembers? _ amis

Sesaxeb valeri katukia „qroni-

ka+~-s esaubreba:

_ valeri, afxazeTSi ko-

ronavirusis gavrcelebis mxriv

umZimesi mdgomareobaa. ofi-

cialurad yoveldRe 100 da

meti adamiani inficirdeba.

Tqven ra informacia gaqvT amis

Sesaxeb? rogorc amboben, saa-

vadmyofoebi kovidianebs veRar

audis.

_ afxazeTSi Cveni wyaroebi

gvyavs. iq Zalian mZimed aris

saqme. virusiT inficirebulTa

raodenoba gacilebiT metia, vidre

amas afxazeTis xelisufleba

acxadebs.

_ ramdeniT metia?

_ orjer metia. umZimesi mdgomareobaa.

afxazebi am problemas

damoukideblad ver umklavdebian.

ruseTi maT gamo Tavs ar iwuxebs.

_ galis raionSi ra xdeba am

mxriv?

_ galSic igive viTarebaa. aqac

bevria koronavirusiT dainficirebis

SemTxveva.

_ galis mcxovreblebi Tu

axerxeben saqarTvelos kontrolirebad

teritoriaze samkur-

nalod gadmosvlas?

_ zogi axerxebs, zogic _ vera.

saqarTvelos kontrolirebad

teritoriaze samkurnalod gadmosvla

Wirs. vinc Zalian cudadaa,

maT aZleven aqeT gadmosvlis

saSualebas. mZime viTarebaa!

imeds vitoveb, rom yvelaferi

kargad iqneba da yvela maTgani

gamojanmrTeldeba.

_ koronavirusis afeTqebis

paralelurad, afxazeTs finan-

suri problemebi Seeqmna. erTi

periodi kremlma maT dafinanse-

ba mkveTrad Seumcira. axla ra

viTarebaa am mxriv?

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daemata. koronavirusi seriozul problemebs qmnis. oficiozi

yoveldRiurad 100 da meti inficirebulis Sesaxeb iuwyeba.

_ viTareba ar Secvlila, finansebis

mxriv afxazebs Zalian

rTulad aqvT saqme. separatistuli

mTavroba seriozuli

problemebis winaSe dgas, ruseTi

maT aRar aZlevs imden fuls,

rasac aqamde uricxavda.

_ es risi bralia? ratom Seamcira

kremlma okupirebuli re-

gionis dafinanseba?

_ mogexsenebaT, rom ruseTs

saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobam

seriozuli finansuri sanqciebi

dauwesa. kremls am kuTxiT Zalian

cudad aqvs saqme da mas okupirebuli

regionebis Zveleburad

dafinansebis saSualeba

aRar gaaCnia. afxazeTs mniSvnelovnad

Seumcirda dafinanseba.

es regioni mTlianad ruseTzea

finansurad damokidebuli.

dafinansebis Semcirebam mniSvnelovani

problemebi Seqmna. saqme

iqamdec ki mivida, rom afxazeTSi

bevri SeiZleba, uxelfasod

darCes.

_ amas afxazebi rogor egue-

bian?

_ unda Seeguon. sxva ra gamosavali

aqvT? finansurad mTlianad

moskovze arian damokidebulebi,

moskovs ki finansuri

TvalsazrisiT seriozuli problemebi

aqvs.

_ afxazebs ra egonaT, rom

ruseTi acxovrebda da aayvaveb-

da maT? ise, gasuli saukunis 90-

iani wlebis dasawyisSi xSirad

ambobdnen, patara ReleSi, anu

saqarTvelos SemadgenlobaSi

yofnas gvirCevnia, did okeaneSi

davixrCoTo. hoda ixrCobian

kidevac.

_ ruseTSi isini namdvilad

daixrCobian. maTi gadarCenis er-

TaderTi Sansi saqarTveloa. imedi

maqvs, rom adre Tu gvian isini

gons moegebian da saqarTvelos

SemadgenlobaSi dabrunebas

gadawyveten. afxazeTi saqarTveloa

da is saqarTvelos SemadgenlobaSi

aucileblad dabrundeba.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom afxaze-

bi jer ver xvdebian, rusul

orbitaze darCeniT Tavs rom

iRupaven?

_ saTanado politika rom gagvetarebina,

darwmunebuli var,

afxazebis udidesi nawili arCevans

saqarTvelos sasargeblod

gaakeTebda. samwuxarod, ver vdgamT

saWiro nabijebs, amitomac

afxazebi jer isev ruseTisken

iyurebian, miuxedavad imisa, rom

iq aranairi perspeqtiva ar gaaCniaT.

_ Tqveni azriT, ratom ara-

feri keTdeba am mimarTulebiT?

_ imas ver vityvi, rom araferi

valeri katukia:

àfxazic da

osic rusuli

politikis

msxverplia,

iseve rogorc

_ qarTveli~

keTdeba. raRac programebi muSaobs.

magaliTad, jandacvis programa,

romelic Zalian mniSvnelovania.

_ jandacvis programis farglebSi

bevrma afxazma imkurnala

saqarTvelos kontrolire-

bad teritoriaze, magram amas

afxazebSi proqarTuli ganwy-

obebi ar gauCenia.

_ samwuxarod, jandacvis programam

afxazebze didi gavlena

ver moaxdina. afxazebisTvis saqarTvelo

isev araa mimzidveli.

viRacebi xvdebian, rom isini qar-

TvelebTan erTad gadarCebian,

magram xmamaRla amis Tqmas jer

ver bedaven. Cven cota sxvanairi

politika rom gvewarmoebina okupirebul

regionebTan mimarTebiT,

amaze dRes afxazebi ukve

xmamaRla ilaparakebdnen. aucileblad

unda daviwyoT muSaoba.

_ samuSao sakmaod mZimea. ar

iqneba advili afxazebis darwmu-

neba imaSi, rom saqarTvelo maTi

mteri araa. Taobebi gaizarda iq

Cveni siZulviliT. axalgazrdeb-

ma arc ki ician, ra aris saqarT-

velo.

_ samwuxarod, asea. afxazeTi

27 wlis winaT davtoveT. bevrma

marTlac ar icis, ra aris saqar-

Tvelo. qarTvelebs, rogorc

mtrebs, ise gviyureben. Cven ise

unda vimuSaoT, rom afxaz axalgazrdebs

es iluzia gauqreT.

amis gakeTeba rTuli iqneba, magram

ara SeuZlebeli. ukve droa,

afxazeTis mimarTulebiT Cvenc

gadavdgaT nabijebi. erTi raRacis

gakeTeba maqvs Cafiqrebuli

da amas pirvelad Tqvens gazeT-

Tan vityvi: mogexsenebaT, qarTvelebs

aseTi tradicia gvaqvs,

axal wels yvelani sakuTar saxlebSi

vxvdebiT. minda, rom afxazeTidan

devnilebic sakuTar

saxlebSi SevxvdeT axal wels.

_ yvela devnili siamovnebiT

Sexvdeboda axal wels sakuTar

saxlSi, magram vin uSvebs.

_ dRes engurs miRma qarTvel

devnilebs ar uSveben, magram am

problemis daZlevac SeiZleba.

piradad me vapireb, rom 31 dekembers

enguris xidTan mivide da

moviTxovo, gamataron, raTa axal

wels Cems saxlSi Sevxvde. sxva

devnilebs igives gakeTebisken

ver movuwodeb, radgan ar vici,

rogor ganviTardeba adgilze

movlenebi, rusebisgan yvelaferia

mosalodneli. vinme Tu wamova

sakuTari iniciativiT, xels ar

SevuSli.

_ samagierod, rusebi SegiS-

lian xels.

_ winaswar nurafers vityviT.

_ Tqven fiqrobT, rom 31 de-

kembers Tu mixvalT enguris

xidTan, rusebi gagatareben?

_ winaswar verafers vityvi. me

mival enguris xidTan da iqneb,

miSveben. ra ufleba aqvT, xeli

SemiSalon?

_ bevri ramis ufleba ar aqvT,

magram akeTeben. Tqvenc tyui-

lad apirebT iq wasvlas, magram

raki ase gindaT, scadeT.

_ aucileblad unda vcado.

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afxazeTSi apireben Casaxlebas~

viTxov sakuTar saxlSi dabrunebas!

ra ufleba aqvT rusebs, rom

amaSi xeli SemiSalon? didi imedi

maqvs, rom axal wels afxazeT-

Si, sakuTar saxlSi Sevxvdebi.

afxazeTs Cven mxolod im Sem-

TxvevaSi davibrunebT, Tu iqidan

gamodevnili 300.000 adamiani daubrundeba

sakuTar sacxovrebels.

Cven oms aravisTan vapirebT. Cven

ase vuyurebT momavals _ dabrundebian

qarTveli devnilebi afxazeTSi,

mere afxaz ZmebTan da

debTan erTad CavatarebT arCevnebs.

rogorc arCevnebze gadawydeba,

ise iqneba yvelaferi. Cven

erTad unda avirCioT Cveni xelisufleba.

rac adre mixvdebian

amas afxazebi, miT ukeTesi maT-

Tvis. es 300.000 devnili, adre Tu

gvian, mainc dabrundeba Tavis

saxlebSi.

_ afxazeTidan da cxinvalis

regionidan devnilebis didi naw-

ili dRemde sakmaod mZime

pirobebSi cxovrobs. Tqven ze-

moT TqviT, rom iseT politikas

ar vatarebT, romelic afxazebs

daarwmunebs, maTi gadarCenis

Sansi saqarTveloSiao. afxazebi

xom xedaven, rogor cxovroben

devnilebi. ar ityvian, eseni

Tavisianebs ver uvlian da Cven

rogor unda mogvxedono?

_ Cveni devnilebi Zalian mZime

pirobebSi cxovroben. saWiroa

maTi problemebis mogvareba. yvela

problemis mogvarebas ekonomikuri

kuTxiT ganvixilav. ekonomikaa

afxazeTisa da cxinvalis

regionis gadamrCeni. rodesac

saqarTvelo fexze myarad dadgeba

da ekonomikuradac Zlieri

iqneba, afxazebic da osebic moindomeben

CvenTan Tanacxovrebas.

_ gaZvaltyavebuli saqarTvelo

Tavad qarTvelebs aRar un-

daT da afxazi da osi ratom

moindomebs?

_ Zlieri ekonomika bevri ramis

mogvarebaSi gexmareba. aucileblad

unda gavaZlieroT

ekonomika, amasTan, afxazebi da

osebi davarwmunoT, rom dakarguli

teritoriebi omiT ar dabrundeba.

_ omis gareSe gamova eg saqme?

_ gamova. Cven, axalgazrdebi,

omiT teritoriebis dabrunebas

arc ki ganvixilavT. azerbaijanul

scenars kategoriulad gamovricxavT.

Zalian gvinda dakarguli

teritoriebis dabruneba,

magram aranairi survili ar gvaqvs,

Cvens debsa da Zmebs iaraRiT

davupirispirdeT. erTmaneTis

xocva-Jletas unda SeveSvaT.

_ sainteresoa, osi da afxazi

axalgazrdebic aseve Tu

fiqroben? isini amboben, rom

qarTvelebTan omisTvis mzad

arian.

_ samwuxarod, isini cota sxvanairad

fiqroben, rac rusuli

politikis damsaxurebaa. kremli

afxazebsa da osebs wlebia, uwamlavs

gonebas da umtkicebs, rom

qarTvelebi maTi mtrebi arian.

Cven arc afxazebis mtrebi varT

da arc _ osebis. samwuxarod, ar

SegviZlia, rom isini amaSi davar-

àfxazeTi 27 wlis winaT davtoveT. bevrma marTlac ar icis, ra aris

saqarTvelo. qarTvelebs, rogorc mtrebs, ise gviyureben. Cven ise unda

vimuSaoT, rom afxaz axalgazrdebs es iluzia gauqreT~

wmunoT.

_ kremlis propagandasTan

brZola Znelia.

_ aq marto kremlis propaganda

araa, Cveni mondomebac

saWiroa. sainformacio politikas

sworad Tu warvmarTavT, afxazebic

da osebic irwmuneben, rom

maTi mtrebi ar varT.

_ sanam arafers vakeTebT da

mxolod vocnebobT dakarguli

teritoriebis dabrunebaze, afx-

azeTSi qarTvelebis saxlebs

rusebi epatronebian.

_ rusebs ki hgoniaT, rom daepatronnen,

magram mTlad asec ar

aris saqme. sad gagonila, viRac

rus turists moewonos saxli da

masze Tqvas, Cemiao?! am saxlebs

patronebi hyavT da isini afxazeTSi

aucilebad dabrundebian.

minda icodeT, rom afxazeTi afxazebis

didma nawilmac datova.

isini, ZiriTadad, ruseTSi an TbilisSi

cxovroben. maTi saxlebic

upatronodaa mitovebuli. yarabaRSi

mimdinare konfliqtma seriozuli

safrTxe gaaCina imisa,

rom afxazeTSi demografiuli

viTareba Seicvalos.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ yarabaRidan wamosulma eTnikurma

somxebma SesaZloa, afxazeTs

Seafaron Tavi. amis seriozuli

safrTxe arsebobs. raRac

informaciebic maqvs, rom isini

amas apireben.

_ es arc unda gagvikvirdes _

afxazeTi da mTiani yarabaRi xom

TanamSromlobdnen. erTmaneT-

Tanac didi misvla-mosvla hqon-

daT.

_ ra gasakviria, ukve seriozulad

midis amaze saubari. yarabaRidan

afxazeTSi somxebis

Casaxleba Tu daiwyo, es katastrofa

iqneba.

_ amas afxazebSic protesti

moyveba. isini imiTac ukmay-

ofiloni arian, rom eTnikuri

somxebi daepatronnen gagras.

_ ara marto gagras. Zalian

bevri somxuri sofeli gaCnda

afxazeTSi. axla yarabaRidanac

Tu Camovidnen somxebi, Zalian

cud suraTs miviRebT. gavimeoreb,

es iqneba katastrofa, pirvel

rigSi, afxazebs Caagdebs cud

mdgomareobaSi.

_ sainteresoa, gauweven Tu

ara afxazebi amas winaaRmde-

gobas?

àfxazebisgan da osebisgan ratom gikvirT,

rom rusul ankesze wamoegnen, roca

qarTvelebma davuSineT erTmaneTs tyviebi?!

arc ise didi droa gasuli iqidan, roca

cxeniswyali gadaketili iyo da erTmaneTs

vesrodiT, magram Cven xom SevZeliT amis

daviwyeba? afxazebi da osebic daiviwyeben,

Cvenc daviviwyebT da isev erTad vicxovrebT~

_ Seecdebian, magram ruseTma

Tu moiTxova, verafers gaxdebian.

_ Tan isic ar unda dagvaviw-

ydes, rom afxazebi somxebTan

valSi arian. omis dros bagramianis

saxelobis somxurma batal-

ionma Tavi gamoiCina qarTvel-

ebTan brZoliT.

_ ukve seriozulad saubroben,

rom yarabaRidan gamodevnili

eTnikuri somxebi afxazeTSi

Casaxldebian. amas ramenairad

unda SevuSaloT xeli.

_ bagramianis batalioni vax-

seneT da netav, am batalionis

mebrZolebma yarabareli somxe-

bis daxmareba Tu moisurves? Tu

marto qarTvelebis winaaRmdeg

brZola iyo maTi mizani?

_ namdvilad ar iqneba gasakviri,

Tu yarabaRSi sabrZolvelad

wavlen bagramianis batalionis

mebrZolebi. radgan amasTan dakavSirebiT

dazustebuli informaciebi

ar maqvs, arafers vityvi. ar

minda, rom Woraoba gamomivides.

yarabaReli somxebi Tu Casaxldnen

afxazeTSi, es marTla katastrofa

iqneba.

_ afxazebisgan gansxvavebiT

maTTan saerTo enis gamonaxva

gagviWirdeba.

_ amitom vambob, rom afxazeT-

Si dasabruneblad yvelaferi

unda gavakeToT. me waval 31 dekembers

enguris xidTan da moviTxov,

rom SemiSvan Cems saxlSi.

300.000 devnili rom miadges am

moTxovniT enguris xids, rusebi

iZulebuli gaxdebian, gaataron.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom gaa-

tareben?

_ 300.000 adamianis gamCerebeli

vinaa? amas veravin gabedavs.

_ cota saeWvo da sariskocaa,

rom 300.000 adamiani enguris

xids miadges.

_ rusebisgan yvelaferia mosalodneli,

amitom ver movuwodeb

veravis, rom CemTan erTad

wamovides enguris xidze. me marto

waval. Tu vinmes moewoneba es

idea, masac SeuZlia wamosvla.

igive unda gavakeToT cxinvalis

mimarTulebiTac. am regionebis

omiT dabruneba gamoricxulia.

afxazi da osi Zmebi Zlier

ekonomikiT unda davibrunoT.

_ afxazebi da osi Zmebio, am-

bobT da ar giWirT amis Tqma?

_ ratom unda gamiWirdes? isini

Cveni Zmebi da debi arian.

_ Zmebi Zmebs ise ar eqcevan,

rogorc isini moiqcnen qarT-

velebTan mimarTebiT.

_ mesmis. Zalian cudia, rac

moxda, magram es yvelaferi xom

rusuli politikis bralia. afxazic

da osic am politikis msxverplia,

iseve rogorc _ qarTveli.

amas, albaT, afxazebi da osebic

gaacnobiereben. Cven aucileblad

SevZlebT Serigebas da er-

Tad cxovrebas.

afxazebisgan da osebisgan ratom

gikvirT, rom rusul ankesze

wamoegnen, roca qarTvelebma davuSineT

erTmaneTs tyviebi?! arc

ise didi droa gasuli iqidan,

roca cxeniswyali gadaketili

iyo da erTmaneTs vesrodiT, magram

Cven xom SevZeliT amis daviwyeba?

afxazebi da osebic daiviwyeben,

Cvenc daviviwyebT da isev

erTad vicxovrebT. amasTan, yvelas

gvecodineba, rom rusebis

provokacias ar unda wamovegoT.

goniereba rom ar gamogveCina,

afxazeTisa da samaCablos garda

SeiZleba, samegreloc ki dagvekarga.

rusebma Zalian bevri gaakeTes

imisTvis, rom am kuTxeSi

separatizmi gaeRvivebinaT. 90-ian

wlebSi araerTxel dalaSqra sxvadasxva

formirebam samegrelo,

magram mizans ver miaRwia. samegrelos

ar uTqvams, rom is

saqarTvelos nawili ar iyo. samwuxaod,

TbilisSi bevri cdilobda,

megrelebi araqarTvelebad

warmoeCina. maxsovs, puris rigebi

rom iyo, rigSi gvarebs vwerdiT

xolme da megrul gvarze

agresia modioda. am agresiam

Zalian male gaiara. afxazebsa da

osebzec igive iqneba. unda gvaxsovdes,

rom es yvelaferi rusebma

gaakeTes. saqarTvelos kontrolirebad

teritoriaze bevri

afxazi da osi cxovrobs. maT mimarT

xom ar gvaqvs agresia? maT

xom ise vuyurebT, rogorc Cvens

debsa da Zmebs? igive damokidebuleba

unda gvqondes cxinvalsa

da soxumSi mcxovreblebTan.

_ imaT mimarT ranairad unda

viyoT loialurad ganwyobili,

vinc Cveni qveynis winaaRmdeg

iaraRiT xelSi ibrZoda?

_ CaTvaleT, rom es iyo samoqalaqo

omi. Tbilissa da samegreloSic

iyo samoqalaqo omi. omis

monawile mxareebi dRes Cveulebrivad

Tanacxovroben. ase

unda mivudgeT afxazeTsa da cxinvalis

regionsac. afxazebi Tavs

qarTvelebad rom ar Tvlidnen,

isini omis mere TbilisSi ar Camovidodnen

sacxovreblad.

_ namdvili afxazebi qarTve-

loben, magram gaafxazebul adi-

Reelebze ras ityviT? isinic

Cveni Zmebi arian?

_ Tu dabruneba gvinda, Zmebad

unda miviRoT. mjera, rom, adre

Tu gvian, mainc davibrunebT dakargul

teritoriebs. 27 welia,

rac afxazeTi davkargeT. es Cven

gveCveneba, rom didi dro gavida,

Torem 27 weli istoriisTvis

araferia. axla mTavaria, swori

politika vawarmooT. afxazebma

da osebma Tavisi nebiT unda air-

Cion saqarTveloSi cxovreba.

N27 (329) 3.11-9.11.2020 w.

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òcnebam~ moigo,

aseTi aqtivobiTa da Semadgen-

Sorena marsagiSvili

lobiT opozicia arCevnebs rom

599 92 16 22

ver moigebda, amis Sesaxeb borjo-

mis sakrebulos damoukidebeli

deputati, giorgi giuaSvili, jer kidev, wlis dasawyisSi

saubrobda. is „qronika+”-sTan ukmayofilebas gamoTqvamda

opoziciis pasiurobis gamo da SeSfoTebuli iyo imiTac, rom

opozicia ivaniSvilis mier gadmogdebul 120/30-ze models

dasTanxmda. giuaSvilis azriT, opozicia oligarqs ar unda

garigeboda da srulad proporciuli sistemisTvis unda

ebrZola. srul proporciulze uaris Tqma gaxda erT-erTi

mizezi imisa, rom mas leiboristuli partia daetovebina.

gaurigda Tu ara opozicia

biZina ivaniSvils? ratom egonaT,

rom ase advilad igebdnen

arCevnebs? ra Secdomebi dauSves

arCevnebis win? ratom datova

leiboristuli partia? _ am Te-

mebis Sesaxeb giorgi giuaSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ batono giorgi, mas Semdeg,

rac „mTavarma” arxma egzitpolebi

gamoacxada, opoziciam say-

ovelTao zeimi daiwyo. nika

gvaramias rom ar aetexa gangaSi,

SeiZleba isic ki ver gaegoT, ra

Sedegebs uwerda cesko. Tqveni

azriT, ratom daiwyo ase naa-

drevi zeimi opoziciam? egona,

rom ivaniSvili ase iolad daT-

mobda?

_ marTla nika gvaramiam gamoafxizla

opozicia, magram am erTma

adamianma da erTma televiziam

ra qnas? rac SeuZliaT, ajanjRareben

da amxelen am korumpirebul

reJims. arCevnebsac eg

ver moigebda. Tveebis manZilze

xmamaRla gaviZaxodi, rom opoziciaSi

mTlad kargad ar iyo saqme.

jer kidev wlis dasawyisSi vTqvi

„qronika+”-sTan, rom opozicia

arasworad moqmedebda. socialur

qselSic mwvaved vafiqsirebdi

Cems pozicias. mindoda, ramenairad

gamomefxizlebina opozicioneri

kolegebi. bolo xanebSi

socialur qselebSi aqtiuroba

Sevwyvite, aRarc mwvave poziciebiT

vCandi, radgan ar mindoda,

rom arCevnebis win opoziciuri

speqtrisTvis rame saxis ziani mimeyenebina.

isedac rogorc mters,

ise miyurebdnen.

_ rogorc mters ratom

giyurebdnen?

_ ar moswondaT, Riad rom gamovTqvamdi

Cems ukmayofilebas.

amis gamo leiboristuli partiis

datoveba da partiis politikur

liderTan dapirispirebac ki momixda.

Cemi azris dafiqsireba arc

iqidan wamosvlis Semdeg Semiwyvetia.

mxolod arCevnebis win

gavCerdi da isic imitom, rom ar

msurda, opoziciisTvis mevno da

vinmes provokatori vgonebodi.

samwuxarod, maT Cemi kritika

ver gaiges an ar undodaT, gaegoT.

viRacebi Tavs ukve gamarjvebulebad

Tvlidnen da eiforiaSi iyvnen.

zogierTma deputatis savar-

ZelSi warmoidgina Tavi, zogs

kidev premierobis ambiciebi gau-

Cnda. arasworad awarmoes saar-

Cevno kampania. araswori xalxi

wamowies wina planze.

_ araswori xalxis wamowevis

gamo wina interviuebSic bevrs

saubrobdiT, rom es opozicias

26

599 92 16 22 giorgi giuaSvili:

karg Sedegs ar moutanda. gan-

sakuTrebiT Zveli saxeebi gaRi-

zianebdaT.

_ marto Zveli saxeebi ar ma-

Rizianebda. pozitivi SeiZleba,

zogierT Zvel saxeSic dainaxo.

Cems protests politikuri nexvis

tivtivi iwvevda. xom ar SeiZleba,

30 weli erTi da igive saxeebi trialebdnen?

Tan ase ucbad warsulis

daviwyebac warmoudgenelia.

wlebis manZilze erTmaneTs miwa-

Si debdnen da axla ucbad Caexutnen.

es Zalian uSnod xvdeba mosaxleobas

TvalSi. an oqriaSvilisa

da cezar CoCelis gadmobargeba

ra ubedureba iyo?! amaT Semxedvare

amomrCevels imedi ucruvdeba.

isini amboben, Cveni rac ar

unda gavakeToT, adre Tu gvian,

eseni mainc saerTo enas gamonaxaveno.

Zalian cudi sanaxavia, roca

adamianebi partiidan partiaSi

gadadian. ivaniSvilma namdvilad

gaayalba arCevnebi, magram normaluri

adamianebi rom wamoewiaT

wina planze, opozicia bevrad met

xmas miiRebda. xalxi oligarqebs

mxars aRar dauWers. mamuka xazaraZe

da kaxa oqriaSvili mosaxleobisTvis

miuRebelia.

_ gindaT TqvaT, rom aseTi

Sedegi marto gayalbebas ar unda

dabraldes?

_ cxadia, ara. opoziciam bevri

Secdoma dauSva, magram darRvevebic

iyo. ubnebze gayalbebas ar

dasjerdnen da kriminalebi gamoyares

gareT. yvela regionSi aqtiurobda

kriminaluri samyaro,

magram borjomSi gansakuTrebiT

saSineleba xdeboda.

_ ra xdeoda aseTi?

_ borjomSi kriminalebs saarCevno

ubnebTan pirdapir derefnebi

hqondaT mowyobili da saSinelebebs

sCadiodnen.

_ is ratomRa egona opozicias,

rom arCevnebi moiges? Tavadve ar

ambobdnen xolme, rom ivaniSvili

ase iolad ar daTmobso?

_ ivaniSvili iolad rom ar da-

Tmobda, es ar daviwyebiaT, ubralod,

xalxis raodenobam moatyua.

_ ranairad an ratom moatyua

isini xalxis raodenobam?

_ mogexsenebaT, rom am arCevnebze

bevri adamiani mivida. saar-

Cevno ubnebTan rigebi idga. opoziciam

es rigebi rom dainaxa, sixarulisgan

erTi ambavi atexa. maT

CaTvales, rom arCevnebze opoziciis

mxardamWerebi mividnen. opoziciis

mxardamWerebi marTla

Warbad mividnen arCevnebze, xalxs

marTla surs cvlilebebi. samwuxarod,

opoziciam erTi ram ver

gaiTvaliswina, rom saarCevno ubnebze

xelisuflebis momxreebic

mravlad iyvnen. xelisuflebam

maTi mobilizebisTvis yvelaferi

gaakeTa. me sul meSinoda da amaze

xmamaRlac vsaubrobdi. darwmunebuli

vyavi, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

pirvelsave turSi mogviwyobda

meore turs.

_ pirvel turSive meore tur-

is mowyobaSi ras gulisxmobT?

_ imas, rac saprezidento

arCevnebis meore turSi moxda.

xelisufleba meore turSi iyenebs

xolme yvelanair resurss sasurveli

Sedegis misaRebad. gayalbebis

paralelurad axdens mxardam-

Werebis maqsimalur mobilizebas.

axla es pirvelive turSi gaakeTa

ivaniSvilma. WarbamomrCevlianobam

opozicias cru imedebi gau-

Cina. ver gaTvala, rom bevr xalx-

Si xelisuflebis mxardamWerebic

iqnebodnen.

_ marto bevri xalxis danaxvam

moaduna da moatyua opozicia?

mgoni, isini dasavleTis mx-

ardaWeris imediTac modundnen.

_ dasavleTis mxardaWeris

imedic hqondaT. dasavleTi mar-

Tla Cvens gverdiT dgas, magram

òpoziciam maSin

waago, roca

ivaniSvilis

gadmogdebul 12/30-ze

models dasTanxmda~

is yvelafers ar gaakeTebs. es Sen

unda moawono amomrCevels Tavi,

gaTvalo riskebi da saWiro Tu

gaxda, xmebis dasacavadac unda

gaxvide aqciaze. opoziciam bevri

Secdoma dauSva, magram jer yvelaferi

dakarguli ar aris. situaciis

Semobruneba kidev SeiZleba.

isic ar dagvaviwydes, rom mTlad

gamarjvebulad Tavs arc

„qarTuli ocneba” grZnobs.

_ ki gahyvirian, arCevnebi movigeTo,

magram saxeze didi six-

aruli ar aweriaT.

_ imitom, rom sasixarulod ar

aqvT saqme. maT sul sxva molodini

hqondaT. egonaT, rom 100 kacs

Seiyvandnen. im monacemebiT, romelic

im dros qveyndeba, roca intervius

vwerT, „ocnebas” parlamentSi

100 kaci ver Sehyavs.

_ amis gamo hqondaT mJave sax-

eebi?

_ amis gamo. maT xom moiges, magram

ar moiges. aseTi ganwyoba

aqvT. am gancxadebebsac ar gaakeTebdnen,

magram sad gagonila,

gamarjvebulma Zalam araferi Tqvas?

ukeTess Sedegs elodnen, amisTvis

yvelaferi ikadres, arc

`marTla nika gvaramiam gamoafxizla opozicia,

magram am erTma adamianma da erTma

televiziam ra qnas? rac SeuZliaT,

ajanjRareben da amxelen am korumpirebul

reJims. arCevnebsac eg ver moigebda~

mosyidvaze uTqvamT uari da _

arc daSinebaze. xalxs imdenad undoda

cvlileba, rom amanac ar

gaWra da ivaniSvilma sasurveli

Sedegi ver dado. man marTalia,

moigo arCevnebi, magram, rogorc

ityvian, Tavi qudSi mainc ar aqvs.

opozicias sxvanairad rom emoqmeda,

xelisuflebas kidev ufro

mwuxare saxeebi eqneboda. maT,

faqtobrivad, araferi daupirispires

ivaniSvils. saarCevno kampaniac

ki ar Caatares normalurad.

roca aseTi mniSvnelovani

arCevnebia, yvela sadarbazo da

saxli unda moiaron opozicionerebma.

Zalian mZime suraTi

miviReT, magram situaciis gamosworeba

jer kidev SeiZleba. Tamamad

vityvi, rom „qarTulma ocnebam”

arCevnebi waago, ubralod,

opozicia ver icavs xmebs. me ramdenime

Tvis win vuTxari opozicias,

SeiZleba moigoT, magram xmebi

ver daicvaT-meTqi. samwuxarod,

gamarTlda Cemi prognozi. opozicia

xmebs rom ver daicavda, amaSi

maSin davrwmundi, roca ivaniSvils

proporciuli dauTmes.

_ proporciuli rodis dauT-

mes?

_ daTmobaa, aba, ra aris, roca

srulad proporciul wess iTxov

da mere 120/30-ze Tanxmdebi?!

gavrilovis sisxliani Ramis Semdeg

mdgomareoba Zalian gamwvavda.

situaciis dasamSvideblad

ivaniSvili gamovida da Tqva, rom

momavali arCevnebi srulad proporciuli

wesiT Catardebao. am

wesze gadasvlas didi xania iTxovs

opoziciac da mosaxleobac.

srulad proporciul wesze gadasvlas

sakonstitucio cvlilebebi

sWirdeboda. „ocnebam” es cvlileba

Caagdo. moimizeza, ma-

Joritarebi wavidnen amis winaaRmdegio.

am Cagdebas aqciebi mohyva.

saqmeSi dasavleTi Caeria da daiwyo

molaparakebebi. xelisuflebam

ukan daixia da daTmobaze wavida.

opozicia rom ar gaCerebuliyo,

srulad proporciul wessac

mivaRwevdiT, magram ivaniSvilma

gadmoagdo 120/30-ze modeli

da opoziciac dasTanxmda.

vfiqrob, rom maSin waago opoziciam

arCevnebi.

axla cota dagvianebulia

arCevnebis gayalbebaze wuwuni.

amaze maSin unda efiqraT, roca

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magram ver moigo~

ivaniSvilis gadmogdebul satyuaras

dasTanxmdnen. sabednierod,

jer kidev SeiZleba situaciis

gamosworeba. axla opoziciis

aqtiurobaze bevri rame iqneba

damokidebuli.

_ arCevnebis SedegebiT „pa-

triotTa aliansic” ukmayofilo

darCa. arada, isini „ocnebis”

satelitad iTvlebodnen. viTom,

magaTac gauyalba biZinam arCev-

nebi?

_ „patriotebs” ra egonaT, rom

met xmas aiRebdnen? rac magaT

borjomSi gaakeTes, imis Semdeg

risi imedi hqondaT? borjomis

sakrebuloSi, romelic 28 wevrisgan

Sedgeba, aliansma 13 kaci gaiyvana.

sakrebulos Tavmjdomarec

maTi wevri iyo. saqarTveloSi

borjomi iyo erTaderTi adgili,

sadac opoziciuri sakrebulo

gvyavda. inaSvilma ra gaakeTa? da-

Sala Tavisi fraqcia da borjom-

Sic „qocebi” aRmoCndnen umravlesobaSi.

_ es incidenti meriis gadaw-

yvetilebas mohyva, xom, romelic

meriis TanamSromlebisTvis xel-

fasebis gazrdas iTxovda?

_ diax. xelfasebis gazrdas

sastikad ewinaaRmdegeboda sakrebulo.

Cven piroba davdeT, rom

jojoxeTs movuwyobdiT xelisuflebas.

seriozuli ambavic avtexeT,

magram Camovida inaSvili da

yvelaferi CagviSala. es kargad

axsovs borjomelebs. maTma kandidatma

borjomSi isedac blomad

aiRo xmebi. aliansis wuwunis ar

mjera.

_ opoziciis Secdomebze bevri

visaubreT, magram xalxma yve-

laferi gaakeTa imisTvis, rom

aseTi Sedegi ar damdgariyo?

_ xalxzec mZime rameebi unda

vTqva, Zalian ar minda, magram momiwevs.

Tavad sazogadoebaSic seriozuli

problemaa da misi didi

damsaxurebaa, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

xelisuflebas inarCunebs.

opozicia rom saTanado doneze

ar dgas, es gasagebia, Tu mcasazogadoebasac

SeuZlia, rig sakiTxebze

sakuTari iniciativiT

protestis gamoxatva, magram bevri

maTgani jer isev komunistur

mentalobaSia CarCenili.

Cveni sazogadoeba rom saTanado

simaRleze idges, xelisufleba

verc ki gabedavs maT mirekvas

arCevnebze. imas xom saerTod ver

aiZulebs, rom arCevani xelisuflebis

sasargeblod gaakeTos.

normalur qveynebSi normaluri

sazogadoeba Tavis movaleobad

miiCnevs arCevnebze misvlas da

xmis micemas. normalur sazogadoebas

arc opoziciisa da arc

romelime politikosis SeZaxili

ar sWirdeba, rom usamarTloba

gaaprotestos. aq maincdamainc

viRacam unda mogiwodos, rom gareT

gamoxvide protestis gamosaxatavad.

_ arada, CvenTan ramdeni ramea

gasaprotestebeli, magram arCe-

vnebze ar midian da aqciaze wav-

len?

_ Zalian cudia aseTi damokidebuleba.

sazogadoeba unda

mieCvios arCevanis gakeTebas.

`dasavleTi marTla Cvens gverdiT dgas, magram is yvelafers ar gaakeTebs.

es Sen unda moawono amomrCevels Tavi, gaTvalo riskebi da saWiro Tu

gaxda, xmebis dasacavadac unda gaxvide aqciaze. opoziciam bevri Secdoma

dauSva, magram jer yvelaferi dakarguli ar aris. situaciis Semobruneba

kidev SeiZleba. isic ar dagvaviwydes, rom mTlad gamarjvebulad Tavs arc

`qarTuli ocneba~ grZnobs~

_ Cveni sazogadoeba arCevnebze

imitom ar dadis, rom poli-

tikur speqtrSi aravin moswons.

cota Znelia, rom am politikur

velze vinme mogewonos.

_ es seriozuli problemaa da

gagebiT vekidebi am ganwyobas, magram

aseTi amomrCevelic unda wavides

arCevnebze. aravin moswons?

_ gadaxazos yvela. ase mis biuletens

veravin gamoiyenebs. sazogadoebasac

bevri rame aqvs saswavli.

pirvel rigSi sakuTari uflebebis

dacva unda iswavlos. xalxs

saTanado protesti rom gamoexata,

arc lari iqneboda gaqceuli,

arc fasebi gaizrdeboda da arc

qveyana dagveqceoda Tavze.

_ kriminalebic ver inavard-

ebdnen ase Tavisuflad.

_ ra Tqma unda. roca ukanonobas

gagebiT ekidebi da Tvals

xuWav, xval xelisufleba uaress

gaakeTebs. „qarTul ocnebaze” ga-

ìvaniSvilma namdvilad gaayalba arCevnebi,

magram normaluri adamianebi rom wamoewiaT

wina planze, opozicia bevrad met xmas

miiRebda. xalxi oligarqebs mxars aRar

dauWers. mamuka xazaraZe da kaxa oqriaSvili

mosaxleobisTvis miuRebelia~

keTeba ar unda meTqva, radgan maT

mxolod gafuWeba SeuZliaT. Camo-

Sales mTeli qveyana. araferi amaT

ar SeuZliaT. erTaderTi, mSvidobiani

aqciebis darbeva da bavSvebisTvis

Tvalebis daTxra exerxebaT.

Cvens samezobloSi somxeTsa

da azerbaijans Soris omi mZvinvarebs.

vuyureb da TeTri SuriT

mSurs somxebisa da azerbaijanelebis.

pirvel rigSi imitom, rom

arc somexi da arc azerbaijaneli

Tavis xelisuflebas ar adana-

Saulebs omis dawyebaSi. amis garda

SexedeT, ra sabrZolo teqnika

da SeiaraReba aqvs orive mxares.

Cven didi xani ver mivalT maTTan.

warmodgenac ki ar minda, ra moxdeba,

vinmem rom omi gamogvicxados.

CaTvaleT, egreve wagebuli

gvaqvs. riT unda vawarmooT omi,

roca teqnikac ki ar gagvaCnia.

xanZars ver vaqrobT da omSi winaaRmdegobas

gavuwevT vinmes? sasazRvro-policias

erTi sawyali

vertmfreni hyavs da imas daarbenineben

xanZris Casaqrobad.

_ marto xanZars ar aqroben,

samaSvelo operaciebis Casatarebladac

sasazRvros vertmfren-

iT midian.

_ mere, es normaluria?! Tavad

sasazRvros rom dasWirdes, sad

midian?! es yvelaferi imas movayole,

rom Cven dRes, faqtobrivad,

saxelmwifo aRar gvaqvs. xelisuflebisa

da opoziciis umoqmedoba

xom ubedurebaa, magram aranaklebi

ubedurebaa xalxis gulgriloba.

ar SeiZleba, yvelafers

gagebiT an haiharad moekido. miT

umetes maSin, roca es Sens qveyanas

exeba.

_ iqneb, Cvens sazogadoebas

mizezi aqvs imisTvis, rom ase

moiqces? ramdenjer Secvales

xelisufleba, magram arc erTi

gamodga. iqneb, axlac imas

fiqrobs, ra azri aqvs Secvlas,

mainc uvargisebi movleno.

_ am wlebis manZilze politikosebma

imdeni cudi rame gaakeTes,

rom xalxs ukeTesis imedi

mouspes. sazogadoebis didi nawili

nihilizmSia. es Zalian cudia

qveynisTvis. xalxma Tavad unda

moindomos, rom nihilizms Tavi

daaRwios.

xalxs nihilizmSi Cavardna ar

akmares da gaaRatak-gaamaTxovres.

es specialurad gaakeTes, rom

mere arCevnebze ufro iafad da

iolad iyidon maTi xmebi. seriozulad

muSaobs gaTiSe da ibatones

principic. gaTiSe xalxi, gaamaTxovre

da mere arCevnebis win

gadaugde 150 lari, xmas mogcems

da iqnebi 4 weli xelisuflebaSi.

gaWirvebuli adamianebisTvis ar

minda imis Tqma, rom fuls rogor

iRebTo. aiReT, Tqve dalocvilebo,

magram „qocebs” mainc nuRar

SemoxazavT. Seni da Seni Svilebis

momavals nu gayidi, Torem xval

ufro mZime dReSi Cavardebi. ki

mikvirs, aseTi rameebi rom xdeba,

magram ratom unda gamikvirdes?!

_ Cveni sazogadoeba xom yvelaferze

Tvals xuWavs.

_ Cvens sazogadoebas gansakuTrebiT

ar uyvars social-

uri Temebis gaprotesteba. es,

ratomRac, sircxvilad iTvleba.

fasebis gazrdaze Ratak saqarT-

veloSi reaqcia ar aqvT, maSin

roca mdidari germania fasebis

zrdis gamo Tavze imxobs yve-

lafers. es ra fenomenia?

_ es qarTuli fenomenia. Cven-

Tan sircxvilad iTvleba socialuri

Temebis gaprotesteba. dasavleTSi

amas sxvanairad uyureben.

sakmarisia, mgzavrobis Rirebuleba,

sakvebi produqtebi da sawvavi

gaZvirdes, rom did gamosvlebs

awyoben. uyuradRebod arc imas

toveben, Tu xelisuflebas rame

gadacdoma eqneba. aba, vinmes rameze

xeli waucdes, iqaurobas wvaven

da bugaven. me gadawvisa da gadabugvis

momxre ar var, magram

yvelafers Cumad da morCilad ar

unda SevxvdeT.

arc mafiozebis politikaSi Semosvlas

unda vxvdebodeT taSiT.

CoCelisTvis da oqriaSvilisTvis

rogor SeiZleba taSis dakvra, an

xazaraZisTvis, romelic 30 welia,

rac xalxs aRatakebs?! im frontze

raRac problemebi Seeqmna

da politikaSi mosvla gadawyvita.

Tan gamoiyola badri jafariZec.

maT mxolod sakuTari

Tavi ainteresebT. xalxis nawili

ki amaTac mxars uWers. kargisa da

cudis garCeva Zalian uWirs Cvens

sazogadoebas. opoziciac Secda,

„lelo” gverdiT rom daiyena.

_ mTlad gverdiT ar dauy-

enebia, amaT odnav ganze uWiravT

Tavi.

_ eg imitom, rom biZinasTanac

TamaSoben. esec miuTiTebs imaze,

rom mxolod sakuTari Tavi adardebT.

xalxis gamo didad arc

sxva opoziciuri partiebi iklaven

Tavs. premierobis gamo kinaRam

daWames erTmaneTi. yvelam saku-

Tari kandidati daasaxela.

arCevnebamde premierobis kandidatebis

dasaxeleba Secdoma

iyo. arCevnebi oqtombris bolos

dainiSna, amaT kidev zafulSi

daxoces erTmaneTi, _ ara me unda

viyo premieri, ara _ meo. ambiciebs

ver Seelivnen da erTianobis

SenarCunebac gauWirdaT.

opoziciis yvelaze did Secdomad

ki mainc 120/30-ze modelze

daTanxmeba mimaCnia. es modeli maT

ivaniSvilma ZvaliviT gadmougdo

da isinic daxarbdnen. cotac

kidev rom ebrZolaT, oligarqi

srulad proporciul models

dadebda. am SemTxvevaSi ivaniSvils

namdvilad daamarcxebdnen. ivaniSvilTan

brZolis nacvlad erTmaneTs

dauwyes kbena. amiT xelisuflebam

isargebla.

_ arCevnebis Sedegebis gamocx-

adebis Semdeg opozicia, TiTqos,

isev gaerTianda.

_ axla sxva gza, ubralod, ar

aqvs. sxvanairad ver ajobeben ivaniSvils.

Wkvianurad Tu imoqmedeben,

situacias gamoasworeben.

xazs vusvam: saqme aqamde ar mividoda,

120.30-ze models rom ar

dasTanxmebodnen.

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ekonomikis gamajansaRebeli da

gamaZlierebeli RonisZieba.

mTavrobis mier ganxorcielebul

gegmebSi ganviTarebis perspeqtivas

ver vxedavT. bolo period-

Sic gamoaqveynes samoqmedo gegma

da proeqtebi. mTavaria,

rogor Sesruldeba es yvelaferi

da rogor imuSavebs is sagranto

fondi, romelic 300-milioniania

da, Cemi azriT, Zalian mcire. es

fondi 1 miliardis farglebSi

unda iyos. soflis meurneobis

proeqtebSic, minimum, 800 milioni

unda iyos gaTvlili. am nawilSi

ki yvelaze mTavaria, vin gankargavs

am Tanxebs da vin gadawyvets,

Tu visze unda gaices es

grantebi da visi proeqtebi

damtkicdes. Tu sistemaSi momuSave

nepotizmiT daniSnuli

kadrebiT apireben am proeqtebis

momsaxurebas, es Sedegs namdvilad

ver moitans, radgan „awarmoe

saqarTvelos” da sxva proeqtebiT

yovelTvis sargeblobdnen

saxelmwifo CinovnikebTan daaxloebuli

pirebi da maTi naTesavebi,

_ es Tema yvelasTvis kargad

aris cnobili. ZaRlis Tavi damarxulia

arakompetenturobasa da

nepotizmSi, amitom varT am ubedurebaSi,

roca ekonomika izrdeba

im valebis xarjze, romelsac

saxelmwifo 2013 wlidan iRebs.

_ sagareo vali axseneT,

romelic pandemiis pirobebSi

sagrZnoblad gaizarda da 20

miliard lars gadaaWarba, ra

kiTxvebi Cdeba am nawilSi

mTavrobasTan mimarTebiT?

_ sad daixarja pandemiis periodSi

aRebuli vali? _ es aris

mTavari SekiTxva. sazogadoebisTvis

ucnobia, sad daixarja es

Tanxa. sastumroebSi, romlebSic

saqarTveloSi Semosuli qarTvelebi

TviTizolaciis periods

atarebdnen, araracionalurad

ixarjeba Tanxebi. rogorc viciT,

karantinSi 12 dRes atareben da

maTTvis 1500 laramdea gamoyofili,

rac badebs eWvs, rom sastumroebis

mepatroneebTan garkveuli

garigebebia „atkatebis”

saxiT. maSin, roca SesaZlebelia

saqarTveloSi Semosul Cvens moqalaqeebs

swrafi testebi Cautaron,

romelic, daaxloebiT, 6

dolaramde Rirs, ra saWiroa 12-

dRiani karantini, romelic Zalian

Zviri ujdeba mTavrobas?!

ìanvris bolodan

purproduqtebze

fasebi

gaizrdeba~

CemTvis Zalian gamaognebelia am

nawilSi xelisuflebis midgoma,

faqtobrivad, ar viciT, bolo 5

miliardi lari raSi daixarja!

erTaderTi, rac gavigeT aris is,

rom miliard 600 milioni isev sabanko

depozitebze ganaTavsa

mTavrobam da iqca samevaxSeo kapitalad.

rodesac mosaxleobas ar

aqvs fuli, produqciasa da elementarul

sayofacxovrebo momsaxurebas

ver yidulobs, es ekonomikisTvis

gacilebiT ufro damangrevelia.

samomavlod, gaizrdeba

gakotrebuli kompaniebis

raodenoba. aRsaniSnavia, rom jer

postkrizisuli periodi namdvilad

ar damdgara, am dros ki

Cveni qveynis ekonomikuri gundi

Tavs iwonebs msoflios savaluto

fondis prognoziT, rom

gaisad 5%-iani zrda iqneba. es

prognozebi sapnis buStiviT aris.

_ maSin, roca koronavirusis

seriozuli safrTxis winaSe vdgavarT,

mosaxleobis umravle-

sobas ainteresebs, gaZvirdeba

Tu ara fasebi produqtebze?

prognozi mesmis, rom rTulia,

magram dRevandeli mocemulo-

biT rom vimsjeloT, ra gvelis

am kuTxiT?

_ CaTvaleT, rom es TiTqmis

100%-iani prognozia. msoflio

sasaqonlo birJebze xorblis,

simindis, soiis fasebma maqsimums

miaRwia. ukrainam, romelic xorblis

beRlad miiCneva, prognozirebulze

naklebi mosavali

miiRo, aqedan gamomdinare, calsaxad

SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom ianvris

bolodan purproduqtebze

fasebi gaizrdeba. gazrdili simindis

fasi ki, Sesabamisad, xorcpoduqtebze

fasebis zrdas gamoiwvevs.

Tebervlidan, nebismier

SemTxvevaSi, produqtebze fasebi

imaze meti iqneba, vidre dRes

aris. ramdenad moaxerxebs mTavroba

amis sufsidirebas es sxva

sakiTxia. gazrdili simindis fasi

rac ar unda gasakviri iyos, iribad

aseve moqmedebs benzinis fasze,

radganac simindi aris produqti,

romlisganac miiReben meTanols

da es ukanaskneli teqnologiurad

esaWiroeba xarisxiani

benzinis warmoebas. amitom miuxedavad

imisa, Tu ra gadawyvetilebas

miiRebs opekis qveynebi noem-

`rogorc viciT, karantinSi 12 dRes atareben

da maTTvis 1500 laramdea gamoyofili, rac

badebs eWvs, rom sastumroebis mepatroneebTan

garkveuli garigebebia àtkatebis~ saxiT. maSin,

roca SesaZlebelia saqarTveloSi Semosul

Cvens moqalaqeebs swrafi testebi Cautaron,

romelic, daaxloebiT, 6 dolaramde Rirs, ra

saWiroa 12-dRiani karantini, romelic Zalian

Zviri ujdeba mTavrobas?!~

berSi, benzinis fasic msoflio

bazarze, savaraudod, maRali

iqneba.

_ Tqven axseneT subsidireba.

moaxerxebs mTavroba am mima-

rTulebiT efeqtiani nabijebis

gadadgmas, amis resursi arse-

bobs?

_ jer kidev 21 marts mTavrobas

movuwodeT, rom maqsimalurad

daxmarebodnen regionebSi

soflis meurneobis kuTxiT, anu

daxmarebodnen uSualod glexebs,

romlebsac surdaT teqnikis

SeZena TavianTi teritoriis

dasamuSaveblad (saubaria mciregabaritian

orTvlian xeliT samarTav

traqtorebze), raTa moeyvanaT

meti erTwliani kultura,

simindi, lobio daemuSavebinaT

SedarebiT meti sabostne

adgilebi da a. S. mTavrobam Cveni

rCeva ar gaiTvaliswina da erTwlian

kulturebTan dakavSirebiT

soflis mosaxleobas aranairi

realuri daxmareba ar miuRia.

soflis meurneobis programebi

aamuSaves 20 maisis Semdeg, rac

droSi dagvianebuli gaxldaT.

swored amas vimkiT dRes Cven.

saqarTveloSi moyvanili soflis

agraruli kulturebi ukve milevad

reJimSia, Zvirdeba, daxlze

ki ukve gvxvdeba TurqeTidan importirebuli

gaZvirebuli saqoneli.

amitom iyo mniSvnelovani,

glexebisTvis SeewyoT xeli da

iseT mosavali yofiliyo, rom

maragi dekembris bolomde ar amowuruliyo,

raTa SedarebiT dabali

fasebi SegvenarCunebina.

mTavrobam arasworad imoqmeda

maisSi, roca, antikrizisuli gegmis

Tanaxmad, 20 maisidan aamoqmedes

soflis meurneobis daxmarebis

programebi. da roca

vrekavdiT informaciis misaRebad,

instruqciebic ar hqondaT,

ra kriteriumebiT unda gaecaT.

axla mniSvnelovania, is proeqtebi,

rac aqvT, maqsimalurad aamoqmedon

regionebSi mosaxleobaze

da ara TavianT naTesavebze. amitom

ukeTesi iqneboda, am procesebSi

damoukidebeli eqspertebi

CaerToT da maTi dakvirvebis

qveS samarTlianad gadaenawilebinaT

es daxmarebebi proeqtSi

monawileobis msurvelebisTvis.

_ Tqven axseneT mTavrobis

mier SemuSavebuli programebi

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saqarTvelos ekonomikas CamoSlis~

`mTavrobam wlebis manZilze ekonomika, ZiriTadad, turizmis sferos

Camohkida mxrebze, valutis kursi ki - emigrantebis Sromas. Cven gavakeTeT

gancxadeba da axlac igives vimeorebT, rom 2-3 weliwadi kidev turizmis

sruli datvirTvis amoqmedebis imedi ar unda gvqondes~

da proeqtebi. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu

es warmatebiT ganxorcielda, ra

kuTxiT aisaxeba ekonomikur

mdgomareobaze?

_ es proeqtebi maqsimalurad

rom ganxorcieldes da 2021 wlis

biujeti samarTlianad aiTvison,

es Sedegs moitans, daaxloebiT,

2 wlis Semdeg. mTavrobas xels

aravin uSlida, roca xelisuflebis

saTaveSi movida, meore wlidanve

daewyo aseTi tipis proeqtebi.

mogexsenebaT, rodesac daiwyo

proeqti „awarmoe saqarTveloSi”,

misi biujeti 50 milioni

lari gaxldaT, RaribaSvilis

premier-ministrobis dros, ZiriTadad,

es Tanxebi kaxeTze gaica,

gaSenda vazis, atmisa da Txilis

baRebi, wlebis Semdeg ki gvaqvs

Sedegi, wels atamic da Txilic

bevri gavida sazRvargareT. anu

sadac imuSaves, im mimarTulebiT

garkveuli Sedegebi aqvT. vfiqrob,

rom „awarmoe saqarTvelos”

bevrad meti dafinanseba unda

hqonoda _ ara 50 milioni, aramed

500 milioni, rasTan dakavSirebi-

Tac bevrjer gagvikeTebia gancxadeba,

magram _ amaod. soflis

meurneobis ganviTarebisTvis meti

Tanxa unda daixarjos, gaSendes

baRebi da, Sesabamisad, xili

gavides eqsportze. dRevandel

monacemebs Tu gadavxedavT, eqsportze

pirvel adgilze azerbaijania,

meoreze _ ruseTi. azerbaijani

pirvel adgilze avtomobilebis

eqsportis xarjzea, Tumca

avtomobilebis eqsporti biujetSi,

faqtobrivad, arafers

tovebs, mciredi Tanxaa, rasac

gasaformeblad saagentoSi ixdian.

realurad, eqsportis TvalsazrisiT,

ruseTi pirvel adgilzea.

amitom am mimarTulebiT

mniSvnelovania swori nabijebis

gadadgma, rom eqsporti gaizardos.

samTavrobo eqspertebis

nawili acxadebs, rom axla xeli

unda SevuwyoT eqsportis gazrdis

politikas, rac TavisTavad

Caanacvlebs importso. me minda

mkiTxvels avuxsna, rom es pozicia

ar aris swori. davuSvaT, imisTvis,

rom Tqven eqsportis

donis produqcia moiyvanoT, es

iqneba badrijani, bulgaruli Tu

sxva sasoflo agraruli produqti,

igi saTburSi unda gamoiyvanoT

Sesabamisi teqnologiebiT. es

imdenad Zviri jdeba, rom, faqtobrivad,

importirebuli produqciis

fass utoldeba. saqarTveloSi

axali teqnologiebiT

moyvanili produqcia fasebiT

ver gauwevs konkurencias TurqeTSi

moyvanil analogiur produqcias.

amitom ver daveTanxmebi

zogierTi eqspertis mosazrebas,

rom adgilobrivi impotrSemcvleli

produqcia moZvelebulia

da saWiroa mxolod eqsportSemcvleli

produqciis warmoeba.

importSemcvleli produqcia

SeiZleba vizualurad ar iyos

iseTi mimzidveli, rogoric importirebuli

produqcia an

saeqsportod adgilze Seqmnili

produqti, magram genmodificirulobis

mxriv da gemos TvalsazrisiT

ukeTesi iqneba da SedarebiT

iafic adgilobrivi bazrisTvis.

es ar niSnavs imas, rom

ar ganvaviTaroT am kuTxiT sasaTbure

meurneoba. ubralod,

vambobT imas, rom amis paralelurad

glexobas saSualeba unda

mivceT da davexmaroT importSemcvleli

produqciis moyvanaSi.

_ am yvelafris paralelu-

rad, mcirdeba xelfasebis raodenoba,

umuSevrTa ki _ izrde-

ba. eqspertTa nawili miiCnevs,

rom kidev erT „loqdauns” Cve-

ni qveynis ekonomika ver gau-

Zlebs. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu saWiro

gaxda sagangebo mdgomareobis

SemoReba, ra kuTxiT aisaxeba es

ekonomikaze?

_ gazafxulze oqtombris meore

talRaze vwuxdiT da Cveni

SiSi gamarTlda. Tu „loqdauns”

gamovacxadebT, es ekonomikisTvis

sruli katastrofa iqneba. anu

Cveni prognozi, rom saqarTvelos

ekonomika 5-dan 7%-mde davardeboda,

Sesruldeba. mTavrobas

am kuTxiT optimisturi

prognozi aqvs, rom ekonomikuri

vardna 4.9%-mde iqneba, me ki minda

maT vuTxra, rom mxolod 1-2

qveyana Tu moaxerxebs imas, rom

2021 wlis bolos miuaxlovdes

2019 wlis Tavis maCvenebels. Tum-

ùkrainam, romelic xorblis beRlad miiCneva,

prognozirebulze naklebi mosavali miiRo,

aqedan gamomdinare, calsaxad SegviZlia

vTqvaT, rom ianvris bolodan

purproduqtebze fasebi gaizrdeba. gazrdili

simindis fasi ki, Sesabamisad, xorcpoduqtebze

fasebis zrdas gamoiwvevs~

ca savaluto fondma 5%-iani zrda

gviwinaswarmetyvela, romelic

ver Sesruldeba, radgan dRevandeli

mocemulobiT da im

procesebis gaTvaliswinebiT, rac

axla xdeba, es SeuZlebelia. umu-

SevarTa ricxvi imaze gacilebiT

metia, rasac statistikis erovnuli

samsaxuri aqveynebs. Zalian

damaxinjebulia monacemebi. is,

rom Cvens qveyanaSi umuSevrobis

maCvenebeli 12%-ia, es sruli siyalbea,

realuri maCvenebeli gacilebiT

metia. realobasTan ase-

Ti acdena imiT aris ganpirobebuli,

rom Tu, magaliTad, adamiani

Tevzaobs, qaTami an goWi

daurbis ezoSi, mezobels miexmara

saqmeSi da sadili aWama da sxva

_ dasaqmebulad iTvleba. swored

am meTodologiiT sargebloben

da yvelam kargad viciT, rom es

realobas ar Seesabameba. dasaqmebis

mxriv seriozuli problemebis

winaSe vdgavarT, 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi

ver gadawyda iseTi

mtkivneuli problemebi, rogoric

aris umuSevroba, fasebis

zrda da valutis kursi. rac Seexeba

„loqdauns”, arsebobs varaudi,

rom arCevnebis Semdgom periodSi

xelisuflebam es sakuTari

politikuri miznebisTvis gamoiyenos.

jer kidev ivlisSi gavakeTe

gancxadeba, rom seqtembridan

mTavroba SezRudvebsa da Caketvebze

daiwyebda fiqrs. maSin

ZiriTad faqtorad aRebuli iyo

is gaTvla, rom msoflio masStabiT

meore talRa daiwyeboda,

amas moyveboda kvlav umuSevar-

Ta zrda, erToblivi moTxovnis

Semcireba da dRis wesrigSi dadgebda

mosaxleobisTvis Tanxebis

darigeba. amisTvis ki axali

sesxebi da daxmarebebi gaxdeboda

saWiro. aRniSnuli daxmareba

rom miiRos mTavrobam da bankebic

daavaldebulos, SeRavaTebze

wavides msesxeblebTan, amisTvis

saWiroa „loqdaunebi” da SezRudvebi.

dRevandeli gadmosaxedidan

amas rom davamatoT saarCevno

procesi, darwmunebuli var,

noemberSi mTavroba aucileblad

daiwyebs SezRudvebs, SeiZleba

gaaCeros transporti, metro,

rac iribad niSnavs samsaxurebis

gaCerebas. onlainreJimze gadava

swavlis procesi. mxolod vaWrobis

servisi, mSenebloba da produqciis

Seqmna onlain reJimSi

namdvilad ver imuSavebs. amitom

SesaZloa, xelisuflebam safrangeTis

magaliTi gamoiyenos, sadac

daketes kafeebi, saskolo dawesebulebebi,

Tumca qarxnebi ar

dauketavT, miuxedavad kovidinficirebulebis

rekorduli maCveneblisa.

maT ician, rom qarxnebis

daketva ukiduresad uaryofiTad

aisaxeba ekonomikaze.

Tumca, samwuxarod, CvenTan qarxnebis

guguni naklebadaa im gagebiT,

rasac qarxana hqvia. mrewvelobis

mxriv Zalian sustad ganviTarebulebi

varT. Cveni ekonomika,

romelSic mosaxleoba masobrivad

iyo CarTuli, turizmis

seqtori gaxldaT. mTavrobam

wlebis manZilze ekonomika, ZiriTadad,

turizmis sferos Camohkida

mxrebze, valutis kursi ki

_ emigrantebis Sromas. Cven gavakeTeT

gancxadeba da axlac igives

vimeorebT, rom 2-3 weliwadi

kidev turizmis sruli datvirTvis

amoqmedebis imedi ar unda

gvqondes.

_ mTavroba bolo Tveebis

ganmavlobaSi turizmis seq-

torisTvis molodinebs qmnida,

gvpirdeboda, rom frenebs gaxs-

nida, jer ivlisidan Semdeg

agvistodan, oqtombridan da

axla acxadeben, rom noemberSi

gaxsnian frenebs. am dapirebebis

fonze turistul sferoSi

dasaqmebulebma valebis saSu-

alebiT SeinarCunes naqiravebi

farTebi, maisamde ki gadauvades

gadasaxadebi farTebis mepatroneebma,

magram Semdeg mouwi-

aT gadaxda. faqtobrivad,

mTavrobam es xalxi gadaagdo.

_ kidev rom gamocxaddes „loqdauni”,

es CamoSlis ekonomikas.

Tu noemberSi gamoacxadeben sagangebo

mdgomareobas, ar gamovricav,

rom noembrisa da dekembris

ekonomikuri zrda Tu

iqna, „loqdauni” 14%-mde kvlav

Camoagdebs. am yvelaferTan er-

Tad gasaTvaliswinebelia is mdgomareoba,

rac Cvens regionSia,

vgulisxmob somxeT-azerbaijanis

oms. aris niSnebi, rom SesaZloa,

iranic CaerTos procesebSi. aqedan

gamomdinare, Cvens regionSi

arasatabiluri situaciaa. yvelaferi

kargad romc damTavrdes,

investiciebis kuTxiT mainc

rTuli mdgomareoba gveqneba,

radgan regionSia zogadad problemebi.

am nawilSi politikuri

TvalsazrisiT gasaTvaliswinebelia

ruseTis faqtoric. Tu Cvens

mTavrobas realurad surs gvi-

Cvenos, rom mosaxleobaze, zrunavs,

pirvel rigSi, problemuri

sesxebis sakiTxi unda moagvaros.

kerZod, uzrunvelyos sabanko sakiTxebi

ise, rom vadagadacilebul

sabanko sesxebze, romlis

momsaxurebac ar SeuZlia mosaxleobas,

Sewydes jarimebisa da

procentebis daricxva (SegaxsenebT:

aseTi sesxebis umravlesoba

aris wliuri 36%-iani!!!). dafiqsirdes

davalianeba da mieces movaleebs

saSualeba, „dafiqsirebuli”

davalianeba dafaros grafikiT,

romelic gadanawildeba

xangrZlivi drois periodze SeTanxmebisamebr.

eqspertebi aRniSnaven

erovnul meurneobaSi pozitiuri

tendenciebis gaZlierebasa

da ekonomikis mdgradobas.

amis dasturad mSp-s zrdas asaxeleben,

anu Tu aprilSi Semcirda

16.6%-iT, ivnisSi _ 7.7%-iT,

agvistoSi _ 5.3%-iT da a. S. cifrebiT,

ra Tqma unda, vardna SeCerebulia

da zrda SeiniSneba.

minda, mosaxleobas Sevaxseno

rom CvenTan cifrebis ekonomikis

garda arsebobs realuri ekonomika.

isini erTmaneTisgan TiTqmis

radikalurad gansxvavebuli arian.

mSp-s zrda karga xania, ar asaxavs

pirdapirproporciulad mosaxleobis

keTildReobas.

am ukanasknelis gansasazRvrad

ukeTesi sazomia Sromis mwarmoebluroba,

romelic niSnavs drois

karkveul erTeulSi Tundac

saaTSi warmoebuli produqciisa

da momsaxurebis raodenobas. SegaxsenebT,

rom 2012 wels numbeos

indeqsiT saqarTvelos mosaxleoba

keTildReobiT msoflio

qveynebs Soris gaxldaT 61-e adgilze,

xolo 2020 wels 121-ze gadavinacvleT.

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ra xdeboda saarCevno

Cven, rogorc bedkruli post-

giorgi abaSiZe

sabWoTa qveynis Svilebs, ra aRar

gvinaxavs. ybadaRebuli me-9

blokic gvaxsovs, pur-navTis rigebi da sadarbazoebTan tyavis

„kurtkebis” gaxdac. im Sav-bnel 90-ianebSi isic Cveulebrivi

movlena iyo, arCevnebi sul liwinliwiniT rom yalbdeboda. es

ki arada, isic Cveulebrivi movlena iyo, saarCevno ubnebidan

kunTmagari dedakacebi, ai, iseTebi, marina da zoia rom arian

„vanos Soudan”, saarCevno yuTebs rom iparavdnen an, sulac,

biuletenebs „lifCikebsa” da trusebSi rom itenidnen. mokled,

yvelaferi es „vardebis revoluciis” Semdeg warsuls Cabarda

da TiToeuli Cvengani darwmunebuli viyaviT, rom saarCevno

maqinaciebs veRarasodes vnaxavdiT, magram arCevnebis demonebma,

rogorc ityvian, Carxi ukuRma daatriales da dRes „ocneb-

is” politkalendris mixedviT, saqarTveloSi 2020 wlis gviani

Semodgoma ki ara, gasuli saukunis 90-iani wlebia.

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òcnebis~ saarCevno maTematika,

specialuri reportaJi

amas ratom vambobT? _ imitom,

rom 31 oqtombers iseTi raRacebis

momswreni gavxdiT, rasac verasodes

warmovidgendiT. ai, magaliTad,

ubanze mivida, vTqvaT,

501 amomrCeveli, e. i., gaica 501

biuleteni, magram... urnidan amovida

941.

es kidev araferi: am 941 biuletenidan

„nacmoZraobam”, pirobiTad,

305 xma miiRo, „ocnebam” ki

_ 736. diax, ar mogesmaT da arc

mogeCvenaT _ 736. hoda, ceskom

yvelafer amaze Tvali daxuWa da

azradac ar mosvlia, yasidad

mainc ekiTxa, _ Tu ubanze sul 501

amomrCeveli mivida, urnidan 941

biuleteni rogor amovida an am

941 biuletenidan 305 xma „nacebma”

rogor miiRes da „qocebma” _

736?

mokled, „ocnebisa” da cekos

ariTmetikas, albaT, kidev ver

amovxsniT da wesiT, imis gaSifvrac

gagviWirdeba, igive „qocagitatorebi”

saarCevno ubnebTan

siebiTa da fuliT ratom darbodnen.

sxvaTa Soris, gavrcelebuli

inforamciiT, xaragaulis meore

ubanze „qarTuli ocnebis” koordinators

furclebi dauvarda,

sadac Camowerilia adamianTa sia,

miwerelia saxel-gvarebi da

telefonis nomrebi.

amave dokumentebSi asevea warwera:

„50+” an „50l”.

erT-erT furcelze ki weria:

„10 kaci axalia mosaZebni, 30

kacis piradoba da telefoni”.

faqtia, „ocnebam” 30 ki ara,

bevrjer 30 kaci (qalic) moZebna

da arCevnebSi Tavi gamarjvebulad

gamoacxada, Tumca aq erTi,

ufro sworad, ori detalia

Zalian saintereso:

jer erTi, „imedma” egzitpolebi

rom gamoacxada, mTelma „saqoceTma”

dafa-zurna gamarTa da

gamarjveba izeima, Tumca es zeimi

sul raRac 10 wuTs gagrZelda,

Tanac am aTi wuTis ganmavlobaSi,

„ocnebis” centralur ofis-

Tan Sekrebil „qoc-bosebs” saxeebze

etyobodaT, rom naZaladevad

zeimobdnen, anu kargad icodnen,

rac Caidines da, albaT, imasac

xvdebodnen, rom yvelafer amis

gamo, dRes Tu ara xval, pasuxs

aucileblad ageben!

ise, Tu daakvirdebiT, egzitpolebisgan

gansxvavebiT, „ocnebas”

ceskos saboloo Sedegebi

ar uzeimia da mxolod mediakomentarebiT

Semoifargleba, anu

TalakvaZe, kobaxiZe da maTTan

gaTanabrebuli sxva marTlmorwmune

„qocebi” mxolod imas amboben,

ai, Cvens partias xalxi

ndobas isev ucxadebso.

axla, rac Seexeba meore, ase

vTqvaT, faqtors, romelic weRan

vaxseneT, _ ceskom arCevnebis saboloo

Sedegebi gamoacxada Tu

ara, lamis mTeli mTavroba TviTizolaciaSi

gadavida. „karantinis

sezoni” ki premierma giorgi gaxariam

„gaxsna”, romelmac „feisbuqis”

oficialur gverdze sagangebo

gancxadeba gamoaqveyna:

„samwuxarod, me axla gansxvavebul

reJimSi miwevs muSaoba, radgan

Cems TanamSromels, romelTanac

guSin mqonda xangrZlivi komunikacia,

miznobrivi SerCeviTi

testirebisas daudginda koronavirusi.

Sesabamisad, gadavedi

TviTizolaciaSi da am reJim-

Sic vagrZeleb muSaobas”.

amasobaSi, cnobili gaxda, rom

kovidi gaxarias dacvis kidev or

wevrs daudasturda. yvelafer

amis gamo ki TviTizolaciaSi

ekonomikis ministri naTia Turnava

da saxelmwifo kancelariis

administraciis ufrosi, naTia

mezvriSvilic gadavidnen. hoda,

sazogadoebasac meti xom aRar

unda da igive socialur qselSi

gaCnda versia, „ocneba” xelisuflebis

gadasabareblad emzadeba

da amas TviTizolaciaSi gadasvliT

akeTebso.

es, SesaZloa, Zalian ararealuri

versiaa, magram Cven yvelam

xom viciT, rom cecxli ukvamlod

arasodes Cndeba.

ase da amgavarad, wlevandeli

qarTuli arCevnebi msoflio

politikisTvis imis qrestoma-

Tiad iqceva, Tu rogor ar unda

Catardes arCevnebi, Tumca 31

oqtombers, piradad CemTvis,

erTi mniSvnelovani ram moxda.

ara, arc axali avto SemiZenia,

arc _ bina da arc vinmes fuli

SemouZlevia, ginda Tu ara, xma am

da am partias miecio.

aba, raRa mniSvnelovan ambavze

saubrobo? _ ikiTxavT.

axlave mogaxsenebT:

tradiciulad, 31-Sic, alionze

davtove qveSagebi, saguldagulod,

anu ise movemzade, Ti-

Tqos wveulebaze mivdiodi. wesiT,

sazeimo ganwyoba Tqvenc unda

gqonodaT, radgan arCevnebi axal-

Tan, maSasadame, Zvelis dasrulebasTan

asocirdeba. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

mTel civilizebul msoflioSi

asea...

ase da amgvarad: sazeimod

gamowyobili gaveSure saarCevno

ubnisken, romelic Cemi saxlidan,

minimum, 200 metrSi mdebareobs.

axla rom giTxraT, ubnis gareT

rame gansakuTrebuli xdebodameTqi,

mogatyuebT. Cveulebrivi,

standartuli viTareba iyo _

„qocqalebi” da „qockacebi”

jguf-jgufad idgnen da xelSi

bRuja-bRuja furclebi eWiraT.

erTma „qocqalam”, romelsac

Soridan vicnob, Tvali momkra Tu

ara, cibrutiviT datrialda da

Seecada, sadme damaluliyo. aba,

Tu mixvedbiT, me ra gavakeTe? _

am „qocqalas”, romelic „ocnebisti”

jer kidev „ocnebis” Seqmnamde

iyo, cxvirwin Cavuare da

mravalmniSvnelovnad mivesalme:

_ gamarjoba, nargiza, bednier

dResa da momavals gisurveb!

_ Senc aseve, _ CailuRluRa nargizam

da, ratomRac, gawiTlda.

gameRima da iqaurobas gavecale...

skolis SenobaSi, sadac saarCevno

ubania ganTavsebuli, Sevedi

Tu ara, imis garkveva daviwye,

derefnis romel mxares unda wavsuliyavi.

erTma miTxra, marjvniv

wadio, meorem _ marcxnivo, mesamem

_ pirdapiro. raRa dagimaloT

da, davibeni. amitom, dakvalianebisamebr,

jer marjvniv wavedi,

sadac Cemi amomrCevlis bara-

Tis nomeri Semimowmes da marcxniv

gamagzavnes, marcxiv wasuli _

pirdapir gadamamisamarTes.

ai, im dros, roca marcxniv mivdiodi,

gza erTma TuraSauli

vaSliviT loyebRaJRaJa diacma

gadamiRoba da keklucad mkiTxa:

_ erTi wuTiT, SeiZleba?

erTi suli mqonda, meTqva, Sei-

Zleba, „lamazo”-meTqi, magram

mivxvdi, Cemi es xumroba SesaZloa,

saarCevno deboSis sababi gamxdariyo.

amitoma, enas kbili dava-

Wire da zrdilobianad mivuge:

_ diax, gismenT, geTayva...

_ iciT?

_ ra unda vicode? _ mxrebi

aviCeCe.

_ Cven egzitpolebs vatarebT,

_ ise momaxala loyebRaJRaJam,

rom aSkarad fiqrobda, SenTan

axlos, Tan Senze zeviT varo.

_ ukacravad, Tqven salome xom

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ar gqviaT? _ Cemdauneburad

vkiTxe.

_ ara, ra salome, naTia var,

naTia! _ warbaweulma momigo.

_ kargi, naTia... gismenT, aba, ra

xdeba?

_ iciT? Cven egzitpolebs vatarebT...

_ vin Tqven? _ ar veSvebi.

_ ai, Cven...

_ anu, ipsos-is dakveTiT?

_ eg raRaa? _ daibna naTia.

_ „mTavari arxis” dakveTiT,

egzitpolebs ipsos-safrangeT

atarebs.

_ aaa, _ nerwyvi gadaylapa

loyebRaJRaJam, - ara... iciT... ai...

Cven... egzitpolebs saxelmwifos

dakveTiT vatarebT!

_ visi dakveTiT? _ aSkarad yba

Camomivarda.

_ sa-xelm-wi-fos, _ pedagogiviT

mimarcvlis naTia.

_ saxelmwifos rom egzitpolis

Catarebis ufleba ar aqvs?

_ vin giTxraT? _ Setevaze gadmodis

diaci.

_ me geubnebiT!

_ Tqven vin xarT?

_ me Jurnalisti var, Cemo na-

Tia, Jur-na-lis-ti!

_ marTTTT-llll-a? _ ena

daeba qals.

_ diax(sT), _ mravalmniSvnelovnad

gavuRime da iqve CavekiTxe,

_ es egzitpoli romel telearxze

unda gamoqveyndes-meTqi?

_ iciT...

_ ara, miTxariT!

_ albaT... ar vici...

_ kargi, naTia, aba, kargad

iyavi! ocnebebi zogjer ar xdeba!

_ Tavazianad vemSvidobebi Tanamosaubres

da amasobaSi mesmis

ganwiruli xma:

_ „a”, „b”-ze visi gvaric iwyeba,

win wamodiT!

adgilidan aravin iZvreba.

komisiis wevri isev gahyvris:

_ ar gesmiT?! „a”, „b”-ebi win

wamodiT, win!

isev aravin iZvreba.

_ jandabas, _ CemTvis vambob da

karisken erTi nabijiT viwev, _ me

rom movide, SeiZleba?

_ ui, Tqven xarT?.. me gicnobT...

televizorSi minaxixarT, _

meubneba saarCevno komisiis warmomadgeneli,

mere piradobas mimowmebs,

xelebs xsnariT mimuSavebs,

pirbadis Camowevas ar mTxovs

ubnebze 31 oqtombers?

da sarCevno oTaxSi miSvebs.

mivdivar miTiTebul magidasTan.

20 wlamde asakis gogonas

pirbade nikapze ukeTia da „kevs”

ise madianad „aRlaWunebs”, cotac

da vTxov, momicicqne-meTqi.

mokled, bevri rom aRar gavagrZelo,

xuTwuTiani Zebnis Semdeg

„keviReWiam” siaSi mipova,

xeli momawerina, markireba gamike-

Ta, ori biuleteni momca da kabinisken

wavedi.

_ erTi wuTiT, biZia, _ meZaxis

„keviReWia”.

„biZiaze” mecineba da vekiTxebi:

_ ra moxda?

_ ai, es Tqven da gaxsovdeT,

xmas rom miscemT, urnaSi unda

CaagdoT!

_ biuleteni urnaSi rom unda

Cavagdo, vici...

_ ara, pastaze geubnebiT...

_ keTili, _ veubnebi da kabinisken

mivdivar...

Cems moqalaqeobriv vals zustad

erT wamSi vixdi, radgan jer

kidev didi xnis win gadavwyvite,

romeli partiisa da maJoritarobis

kandidatisTvis unda mimeca

xma...

...e. w. xmis micemis oTaxidan

gamosuls ori gogona maCerebs:

_ ipsos-is egzitpolebs vatarebT

da monawileobas xom ar

miiRebT?

_ didi siamovnebiT, _ vpasuxob

da vijereb, rom kvlevebi mar-

Tla arsebobs, anu aqamde mec mee-

Wveboda, rom egzitpolebi sadRac,

viRacis „bnel oTaxSi” iwereboda,

magram ara, batonebo, ager,

cocxali mowme var, rom egzitpolebi

marTla arsebobs!

mokled, aseTi iyo Cemi 31 oqtomberi,

dRe, romelmac am etapze

imedi, Cems msgavsad, bevr amomrCevels

gaucrua, anu Cven darwmunebuli

viyaviT da varT, rom

xelisufleba Seicvleboda da

demokratiis tests Rirseulad

CavabarebdiT, magram ar moxda,

yovel SemTxvevaSi, axlandeli

mocemuloba aseTia, Tumca saarCevno

procesi jer ar dasrulebula,

rac imas niSnavs, rom opoziciam

saarCevno darRvevebi jer

cesko-Si unda gaasaCivros, Semdeg

_ sasamarTloSi. amasobaSi,

meore turic Catardeba da mxolod

amis Semdeg unda daniSnos

ceskom axali parlamentis Sekrebis

TariRi, Tumca arc is unda

daviviwyoT, rom cesko-sasamarTlos

verdiqtis Semdeg opoziciam

dokumentebi, anu imis mtkicebulebebi,

rom arCevnebi gayalbda,

saerTaSoriso organizaciebs unda

warudginos. hoda, swored amis

mere daiwyeba „ocnebis” kritikuli

dReebi!

ase rom, jer araferi dasrulebula,

rac imas niSnavs, rom

yvelaferi winaa da „ocnebis” mokrZalebuli

zeimi SeiZleba, politikur

rekviemad iqces!

ase rom, Cven aucileblad

vicxovrebT ukeTessa da warmatebul

saqarTveloSi!

oTar CxeiZe simarTlis xmas erTgulebda...

wleuls, 28 noembers, 100 weli sruldeba

didi qarTveli mwerlis, oTar CxeiZis

dabadebidan. ramdeni xania, minda Cemi

damokidebuleba gamovxato mis mimarT da

aqamde ver movuyare saTqmels Tavi. masze

wera, masTan miaxloveba CemTvis Zalian

mRelvarea, emociebs ver verevi, ver vpoulob

zust sityvebs misi mwerluri da moraluri

gmirobis gadmosacemad. igi mixeil

javaxiSvilis an sandro axmetelis msgavsad

ar dauxvretiaT komunistebs, levan goTuas

an Tamar wulukiZis msgavsad ar gaucimbirebiaT,

magram iseT marwuxebSi moaqcies, ise

tanjes da TeTqves misi moudrekeli suli

an ki rogor ar gauskda guli?! Znelad Tu

ipoviT qarTuli mwerlobis istoriaSi

aserigad nawameb kacs, visac jalaTma kritikosebma

sicocxle gauTavebel vaebad

gadauqcies. es uniWieresi qarTveli

dedaqalaqsac ar gaakares, provinciul

qalaqSi gamoketes. egonaT, amiT daadumebdnen.

is ki arasodes damcxrala da simarTlis

xmas erTgulebda yvelaze undobar da

uzneo droSi.

Tqven warmoidgineT, komunistebis epoqis

xsovna marto „vazis yvavilobiT”, „gvadi

bigvaTi” an „kolxeTis ciskriT” rom

Semonaxuliyo, siyalbis rogor foierverk-

Si davrCebodiT? amave epoqaSi iqmneba oTar

CxeiZis „tinis xidi”, „boriayi”, „cxrawyaro”,

„jebiri”, „burusi”, „cTomilni”, „meCeCi”,

„gamocxadebai”, „amaRleba” da aTobiT sxva

romani, romelic RaRadebda sabWoeTis ulmobel

da damaqcevar bunebas. oTar CxeiZes

guls ufatravdnen imiTac, rom romanebis

beWdvas wlobiT uyovnebdnen. mTavliti fxizel

moTvalTvaled idga da mudam etoqeboda

mwerals. oTar CxeiZes arasodes Seusmenia

maTi rekomendaciebi da erCia, wlobiT

ar exila mis romanebs dRis sinaTle,

Tuki isini pirvandeli saxiT ar miaRwevda

mkiTxvelamde. mxolod „artistuli gadatrialeba”

da mis Semdgom dawerili romanebi

gamosca mweralma maTi dasrulebisTanave.

qarTul kinoSi gansakuTrebiT vafaseb

oTar ioselianis „giorgobisTves”, me am

films erovnuli kinos sindisad miviCnev,

romelmac mTeli simZafriT gaaSiSvla sab-

Wouri miRwevebis anatomia.

oTar ioselianma breJnevis epoqis erTi

konkteruli mankiereba asaxa da amiT iqca

igi yvelaze skandalur da mourjulebel

sabWoTa reJisorad. oTar CxeiZem ki oci

romani dawera komunisturi mZvinvarebis

Jams da yvela is miutevebeli xinji asaxa,

rac sabWoTa imperias axasiaTebda mTeli 70

wlis ganmavlobaSi. amitom aris oTar CxeiZe

erT-erTi yvelaze piruTvneli mesityve

Cvens Teqvsmetsaukunovan mwerlobaSi. is

gaxlavT yvelaze nayofieri qarTveli mwerali,

romelmac Tavis sicocxleSi 24

romanis, 13 piesis, aseulobiT esesa da

moTxrobis Seqmna moaswro. mis kalams ormocamde

siuJeti ekuTvnis da gana bevrs

daasaxelebT Tundac msoflioSi mwerals,

visac amdeni siuJeti SeuTxzavs?! misi nawerebis

saerTo raodenoba 10 000 gverds

aWarbebs da igi amiTac triumfatoria

qarTul mwerlobaSi. me aRarafers vityvi

enobriv novaciebze, rac oTar CxeiZis nebismier

teqsts axasiaTebs, rogor zrdis da

afarToebs igi qarTuli enis samanebs.

oTar CxeiZem daviT guramiSvilisa da

ilia WavWavaZis suliskveTeba:

„avs Tu avi ar vuwodo, kargs saxelad

ra davarqo?”

da „vaJkac igia, vinc marTals etyvis

qveyanas mcdomsao”... imTaviTve amoiWra gulis

ficarze da iqca saqarTvelos piruTvnel

da mousyidav moambed, Cveni drois

uebro JamTa aRmwerlad. qarTul mwerlobaSi

Tu vinmeze SeiZleba iTqvas, „uSiSi,

viTarca uxorcoo”, es iyo oTar CxeiZe. man

Tbilisis omis wlisTavze dawera da 1994

wels gamoaqveyna romani „artistuli gadatrialeba”,

roca rusTavelis gamzirs jer

kidev emCneoda omis namusrevi da natyviari.

es aris qarTuli xasiaTis, misi genezisis mxatvruli

gamosaxvis sworupovari nimuSi.

avtorma Tavi gadado im faTerakian Jams da

samoqalaqo omis Semoqmedni, aseve sxva Tavgamodebuli

maoxrebelni sakuTari qveynisa

pirdapir gvar-saxelebiT moixsenia da samaradJamo

„qarTul sircxvilad” Semounaxa

STamomavlobas. Cvens literaturas ar axsovs

aseTi basri da SemanjRreveli romani,

romelic aris XX saukunis gvirgvini da

mixeil javaxiSvilisa da vasil barnovis

saukuniswinandeli Sedevrebis badali.

oTar CxeiZis nawerebis okeane aris namdvili

saunje erovnuli sulierebisa. is

iyo xmaldaudebeli meomari qarTuli sulis

asaRorZineblad da gansamtkiceblad.

Tuki XX saukunis politikaSi zviad gamsaxurdia

da merab kostava iyvnen erovnuli

ideis upirvelesi mecixovneebi, maTi drois

qarTvel mweralTagan oTar CxeiZe iyo yvelaze

didi gvemuli swored am ideis erTgulebisa

da sityviT ganvrcobis gamo. samarTliania,

rom merabisa da zviadis garemocvaSi

gveguleba ana kalandaZisa da muxran

maWavarianis ukanaskneli gansasvenebeli,

magram im SemoqmedebiTi da moraluri

gmirobisTvis, riTac oTar CxeiZem daamaxsovra

Tavi qarTvel sazogadoebriobas, igi

WeSmaritad imsaxurebs mTawmindaze amaRlebas.

mwerlis moaxloebuli saukunovani iubile

ki, albaT, yvelaze Sesaferi droa am

sazeo saqmeze safiqralad da mis aRsasruleblad.

giorgi laliaSvili londonidan

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`protestis muxti

cema, Zaladoba da sityvieri Seu-

giorgi sakaruli

racxyofa _ aseTi iyo zogadi foni

555 42 42 81

saqarTveloSi mimdinare arCevnebze.

SeiZleba iTqvas, rom „qarTuli

ocnebis” aqtivistebi da agitatorebi gansakuTrebuli agresiiT

gamoirCeodnen rogorc opoziciis warmomadgenlebis, aseve yve-

la im Jurnalistis mimarT, vinc arCevnebs aSuqebda. arafxizel

mdgomareobaSi myofi pirebi fizikurad daupirispirdnen rogorc

„rusTavi 2-is” aseve „publikis” Jurnalistsac, romelsac tele-

foni daumtvries da sityvieri Seuracxyofa miayenes. aseve fiz-

ikurad daupirispirdnen tv „formulas” operators, dazianeba

miiRo tv „pirvelis” Jurnalistma anuna axalaiam.

„me da Cemi operatori rodesac

manqanidan gadmovediT, policielebi

gamorbodnen, movyvebodiT

policielebs da erTi mamakaci

iyo, romelmac Cems operators

xeli hkra. savaraudod,

kamera momxvda”, _ ganacxada anuna

axalaiam.

ramdenad gagikvirdebaT ar

vici, magram dapirispireba

pirdapir policiis Tvalwin mimdinareobda

da samarTaldamcvelebs

aranairi reagireba ar

mouxdeniaT. mogvianebiT, Sinagan

saqmeTa saministrom aRniSnul

saqmesTan dakavSirebiT mxolod

5 piri daakava, gamoZieba ki mxolod

nivTis ganzrax dazianebiT

daiwyo.

xmaurisa da dapirispirebis

fonze mimdinareobda arCevnebi

gldanSi 79-e saarCevno ubanTan.

bevri faqtisa da kadris miuxedavad,

„qarTuli ocnebis” generalurma

mdivanma da Tbilisis

merma kaxa kalaZem kvlav opoziciisken

gaiSvira TiTi da gldanSi

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

maJoritarobis kandidat nika

melias kriminali uwoda. maszea

naTqvami, fici mwams, bolo makvirvebso.

„nika melia aris kriminali da

irgvliv Semokrebili hyavs kriminaluri

avtoritetebi”, _ ganacxada

kalaZem.

dRis bolos Sinagan saqmeTa

ministris pirvelma moadgile

kaxa sabanaZem saministroSi arCevnebis

mimdinareobis dros gamovlenil

incidentebze gamarTuli

brifingis Semdeg Jurnalistebis

kiTxvebs upasuxa.

misi gancxadebiT, gldanSi momxdar

incidentze, gamocema „publikis”

profesiul saqmianobaSi

SesaZlo xelis SeSlis faqtze,

aRiZra sisxlis samarTlis saqme

da mimdinareobs gamoZieba.

„dawyebuli gvaqvs gamoZieba

ssk-is 87-e muxliT, rac niSnavs

sxvisi nivTis dazianebas. mimdinareobs

gamokiTxvis procesi.

miRebuli informaciis safuZvelze,

savaraudod, Seicvleba

saqmis kvalifikacia.

gldanis SemTxvevaSi gamoZiebis

mimdinareobis procesSi miRebuli

Sedegebis Sesaxeb gacnobebT

mogvianebiT”, _ ganacxada

kaxa sabanaZem.

rac Seexeba marneuls, iq mTeli

dRis ganmavlobaSi viTareba

daZabuli iyo. dafiqsirda fizikuri

dapirispirebebis, qurdu-

li samyaros wevrebis mxridan

muqara-mosyidvis, fulisa da

benzinis talonebis darigebis

faqtebi. dRis meore naxevarSi

marneulSi specrazmic Seiyvanes,

rac Sss-m arCevnebis mSvidad Catarebis

uzrunvelyofiT axsna.

„dRes policiis umTavress

amocanas warmoadgens marTlwesrigis

dacva da arCevnebis mSvid

garemoSi Catareba, swored am

mizniT gadanawilda specrazmi”,

_ ganacxada Sss-s ministris

moadgile kaxa sabanaZem.

rac Seexeba Sida qarTls, magaliTad,

gorSi sufrac ki gaiSala,

sadac xmis misacemad misul

„ocnebis” mxardamWerebs TiTo

WiqiT dalocvasac sTvazobdnen,

Tumca mavanis winaswari Jriamuli

naadrevi aRmoCnda, xolo xa-

SurSi, nato CxeiZis damajerebeli

gamarjvebis fonze, amomrCevels

pirdapir eubnebodnen, _ bevri

fuli gvaqvso.

saboloo jamSi, praqtikulad,

yvela saarCevno ubanze oligarqis

„politikur klans” kriminalebi

hyavda mobilizebuli.

„qronika+~ gTavazobT ramdenime

amomrCevlis, politikosisa

da uflebadamcvelis ko-

mentars:

naTia WeiSvili _ amomrCeve-

li:

_ SedegebiT ar var kmayofili.

„ocnebis” mosvlis pirveli

dRidan mqonda protesti, radgan

Tavidanve mjeroda da vicodi,

rom misi yvela wevri xelisuflebaSi

modioda mxolod TavianTi

ocnebebis asasruleblad

da es 8 weli CemTvis, rogorc

rigiTi, patrioti qarTvelisTvis

iyo tanjva, radgan vxedavdi,

rogor Cerdeboda Cemi qveynis

perspeqtiva, rogor vixevdiT

ukan, rogor CamogveSala yvela

institucia da rogor dairRva

yvela qarTvelis ufleba.

_ uflebebis darRvevaSi,

kokretulad, ras gulisxmobT?

_ uflebebis darRvevaSi

vgulisxmob SimSils, usamarTlobas,

ganukiTxaobas... samwuxarod,

me, rogorc rigiT amomrCevels,

umisamarTo piradobis mowmoba

maqvs. ar momeca saSualeba,

monawileoba mimeRo arCevnebSi,

raTa Cemi erTi xmiT gadamerCina

qveyana. miuxedavad bevri mcdelobisa,

mTeli dRe vrekavdi

cesko-Si da aravin mpasuxobda.

arCevnebi 2020 Jurnalistebisa

da aqtivistebis cemis fonze

„ocnebis” yvela amomrCevlis

gasagonad vityvi: 90-ian wlebSi

rodesac elementaruli Suqis

CarTvazec ki papuasebiviT vyvirodiT,

im 90-ian wlebSi rom

ivaniSvilis xelisufleba mosuliyo

qveynis saTaveSi, darwmunebuli

var, saqarTvelo,

rogorc qveyana, dedamiwis zedapiridan

gaqreboda, radgan „ocnebas”

mxolod ZaluZs aSenebulis

dangreva, perspeqtivis uperspeqtivobaSi

gadasrola da

progresis regresireba.

ivaniSvilis mTavrobas Sevafasebdi

ase: eseni arian virTxebi,

romlebic beRels Seesivnen,

kargad gamoxres da axla gazuluqebulebi

cxovroben srul

netarebaSi.

lela xaCiZe _ amomrCeveli:

_ vfiqrob, opoziciam gaimarjva

da im raionSi, sadac opoziciis

liderebs naklebi procenti

aqvT, vidre „ocnebis” wevrebs,

es aris mxolod didi gayalbebis

Sedegi. yvelaferi gaakeTa kriminalurma

xelisuflebam, rom

arCevnebi gaeyalbebina, rac namdvilad

moaxerxa, Tumca qarTveli

xalxi mets aRar moiTmens. gaRvi-

Zebis droa, saqarTvelo win unda

wavides da unda damTavrdes yvelaferze

ocneba. aRar gvinda

ocnebaSi cxovreba da 90-ianebSi

dabruneba. arCevnebis meore turSi

srul gamarjvebas vizeimebT!

arCevnebis mimdinare movle-

nebs samarTlebrivad afasebs

„qronika+~-sTan saubrisas ad-

vokati giorgi fanculaia:

_ 2020 wlis arCevnebi gamor-

Ceuli iyo yvela im arCevnebisgan,

rac 2012 wlis Semdeg „qarTuli

ocnebis” xelisuflebis

dros Catarebula. aq vgulisxmob

imas, rom wina arCevnebebis

dros „qarTul ocnebas” hyofnida

mosyiduli, daSinebuli amomrCeveli

da administraciuli

resursi. rogorc aRmoCnda, 2020

wlis arCevnebze es sakmarisi ar

iyo, ris gamoc masobrivad gaayalbes.

aseTi Sefasebis uflebas

maZlevs ara marto moqalaqis

TvaliT danaxulis aRqma, aramed

isic, rom wlebis winaT axalgazrda

iuristTa asociaciidan

araerT arCevnebs davkvirvebivar

da maqvs arCevnebis Sefasebis kompetencia

da gamocdileba...

_ ra unda gaakeTos opozi-

ciam?

_ vfiqrob, rom axla gadamwyveti

iqneba opoziciis erTianoba,

arc erTi maTgani ar unda gaiyidos

da ar unda Sevides parlamentSi.

ar unda aRiaron es arCevnebi.

gadamwyveti iqneba amerikis

administraciidan da evropidan

giorgi fanculaia:

òpoziciam

gaimarjva da

xelisuflebis

cvlileba

gardauvalia~

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unda iyos masobrivi~

maRali donis gancxadebebi, rac

saboloo muxti iqneba moqalaqeebisTvis.

_ anu protesti?

_ diax, protestis muxti unda

iyos masobrivi. amaze Zalian

unda imuSaos opoziciam. am komentars

vakeTeb me, giorgi fanculaia,

romelic arasodes arc

erTi xelisuflebis mxardamWeri

ar vyofilvar da aseve arasodes

vyofilvar arc erTi partiis wevri

an masTan asocirebuli piri.

grigol vaSaZe _ „nacionaluri

moZraobis” quTaisis ma-

Joritari deputatobis kandi-

dati:

_ Cveni partiisa da gaer-

Tianebuli opoziciis wevrebi

lomebiviT icaven xmebs komisiebSi.

xelisuflebas ar SevarCenT

arc erT xmas da gayalbebis arc

erT mcdelobas. Sedegi naTelia,

saqarTvelom da saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebma „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebas undoblobis votumi

gamoutana. imedi maqvs, es

xelisufleba aRarasdros iqneba

arc erTpartiulad da arc xelisuflebaSi.

arCevnebs Tu SevafasebT, ucnauri

da Wreli arCevnebi iyo:

zogierT adgilas, magaliTad,

rogorc quTaisSi, dekoraciebi

kargad Sesaxedi iyo, yvelaferi

wynarad da mSvidad Catarda,

eqscesebis gareSe, Tu ar CavTvliT

imas, rom sakmaod uxeSi

fizikuri zemoqmedeba moaxdines

leiboristuli partiis merobis

kandidatze. ramdenime ubanze xelisuflebam

yvelaferi gaakeTa

gasayalbeblad da arc iq erideboda

fizikur Zalas, magaliTad,

30-e ubanSi. principSi, quTaisi

da kidev ramdenime olqi gamoir-

Ceoda im umsgavsobiT, rac gldansa

da marneulSi iyo.

davelodoT saerTaSoriso

damkvirveblebs, aseve Cvens arasamTavrobo

organizaciebs. mTavari

Sedegi miRweulia _ opoziciam

gaimarjva da xelisuflebis

cvlileba gardauvalia.

zurab jafariZe _ „girCis”

lideri:

_ samive egzitpoli aCvenebs

3%-s. mgonia, rom mag farglebSi

varT da SeiZleba, cota metic

iyos, magram es daTvlis Semdeg

gamoCndeba. „girCisTvis” 3% imas

niSnavs, rom 4 kaci Segvyavs parlamentSi.

Cemi azriT, yvelaze

mniSvnelovani gamarjveba aris

is, rom TbilisSi varT mesame

partia, es imis tolfasia, rom

momavali Cvenia.

daviT baqraZe _ „evropuli

saqarTvelos” lideri:

_ am Sedegebidan Cans, rom

„qarTul ocnebas” ar auRia amomrCevlis

xmebis naxevarze meti da

mas ar gaaCnia qarTveli xalxis

ndobis mandati arCevnebis proporciul

nawilSi (aq ar vTvli

xelisuflebis dakveTiT Catarebul

egzitpols, saubaria „edisonze”

„ifsossa” da Cvens egzitpolebze).

yvela egzitpolSi

Zalian maRali pasuxi iyo uarze

da Semdeg moxda alokacia, romelic

yovelTvis iZleva maRal

cdomilebas. aseT pirobebSi, rodesac

fiqsirdeba gansxvavebuli

monacemebi, rodesac yvela xma

da yvela procenti mniSvnelovania

imis dasaTvlelad, Tu rogor

dajdeba jamurad xmebi da

vis xelSi iqneba xelisufleba,

CvenTvis gadamwyveti mniSvneloba

aqvs xmebis daTvlas centralur

saarCevno komisiaSi. minda,

mivmarTo „evropuli saqarTvelos”

yvela wevrs da damkvirvebels

ubnebSi, olqebSi, ceskoSi:

gadamwyveti mniSvneloba aqvs

Tqvens muSaobas, unda viyoT bolomde

ubnebze, vibrZloT Ti-

Toeuli xmisTvis da davicvaT

TiToeuli xma.

Ipsos globalis egzitpolis

Sedegebi ki ase gamoiyureba:

mTawminda-krwanisi

1. Salva SavguliZe _ evropuli

saqarTvelo _ 46%;

2. beqa odiSaria _ qarTuli

ocneba _ 35%;

vake

1. elene xoStaria _ 47%;

2. nodar turZelaZe _ 33%;

saburTalo

1. daviT sergeenko _ 35%;

2. aleqsandre elisaSvili _

21%;

3. badri jafariZe _ 19%;

isani

1. kaxa kaxiSvili _ 35%;

2. xatia dekanoiZe _ 32%;

3. giorgi vaSaZe _ 19%;

samgori

1. levan xabeiSvili _ 49%;

2. sozar subari _ 33%;

didube-CuRureTi

1. . zurab girCi jafariZe _

35%;

2. gia volski 33%;

3. ana doliZe 16%;

naZaladevi

1. mixeil yavelaSvili _ 35%;

2. Salva naTelaSvili _ 33%;

gldani

1. nika melia _ 53%;

2. levan kobiaSvili _ 38%.

SegaxsenebT, rom Ipsos globalis

egzitpolis Sedegebis mixedviT

„qarTulma ocnebam” 41%

aiRo; „patriotTa aliansma” _

2%; jamurad mTel opozicias

57% aqvs. es iyo Ipsos globalis

egzitpolis Sedegebi, romelic

30 noembers, arCevnebis dasrulebis

Semdeg gaxda cnobili,

Tumca sxva realoba gvaCvena

ceskom pirvel noembers.

gayalbebebisa da uamravi

darRvevis fonze centralurma

saarCevno komisiam warmoudgenlad

ararealuri winaswari mo-

nacemebi gagvacno, romelic ase

gamoiyureba:

1. „qarTuli ocneba-demokratiuli

saqarTvelo” _ 48,15%;

2. „erTiani nacionaluri

moZraoba-gaerTianebuli opozicia

_ Zala erTobaSia” _ 27,14%;

3. „evropuli saqarTvelo” _

3,78%;

4. „lelo” _ 3,15%;

5. „strategia aRmaSenebeli” _

3,15%;

6. „patriotTa aliansi” _

3,14%;

7. „girCi” _ 2,89%;

8. „aleko elisaSvili _ moqalaqeebi”

_ 1,33%;

9. leiboristuli partia _

1%.

„arCevnebi Tavze dagvaxies

hqvia amas! Tu gauvaT, metis

Rirsebi viqnebiT”, _ amis Sesaxeb

„nacionaluri moZraobis” kandidati,

nanuka JorJoliani socialur

qsel „feisbuqis” pirad

gverdze wers.

„mkvdari sulebi, karuselebi,

saxlSi aRmoCenili ucxo adamianebi

gavige, magram gadakeTebuli

oqmebi gagigiaT? 18 xma ewera

„ocnebas” oqmze, roca xeli moawera

komisiis yvela wevrma da

diliT aweria 48 (asli inaxeba,

sadac 18 ewera).

arCevnebi Tavze dagvaxies

hqvia amas! Tu gauvaT, metis Rirsebi

viqnebiT da Tu ar gauvaT,

gaimarjvebs qarTveli xalxi”, _

wers nanuka JorJoliani socialur

qselSi.

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levan varSalomiZe _ gaer-

xviCa mamulaZe

598 41 12 26

irakli kupraZe _ „lelo”:

_ Cveni pasuxi aris erTi da

calsaxa: „lelo saqarTvelos-

aWaraSi 2020 wlis arCevnebs

opoziciuri partiebi boikots ucxadeben. maTi TqmiT, maT realurad

gaimarjves magram biZina ivaniSvilma arCevnebi gaay-

alba da mosaxleobas arCevanis ufleba waarTva.

iqneba Tu ara opozicia parlamentsa

da aWaris umaRles

sabWoSi warmodgenili? miiReben

Tu ara monawileobas meore

turSi am sakiTxebze opozicia

Sejerda _ boikoti gayalbebul

arCevnebs.

opoziciam 31 oqtombers

2020-saparlamento arCevnebis

Sedegebi ganixila da erToblivi

gancxadeba pirvel noembers

gaakeTa.

„qronika+~ gTavazobT opoziciuri

partiebis lidere-

bis komentarebs:


Tvis” ar iyideba da Cven SevdivarT

im gadamwyvet brZolaSi,

sadac biZina ivaniSvili aucileblad

damarcxdeba. is ver

gaxdeba am qveynis imperatori,

amis garantias unda iZleodes

TiToeuli Cveni moqalaqe, maT

Soris, rogorc am moqalaqeebis

mniSvnelovani warmomadgeneli

„lelo saqarTvelosTvis”

debs am pirobas da Cven mivdivarT

am brZolaSi ivaniSvilis

winaaRmdeg qarTuli saxelmwifos

dasabruneblad.

murman dumbaZe _ „Zala er-

TobaSia _ gaerTianebuli

opozicia”:

_ 90-iani wlebidan moyolebuli

saqarTveloSi yvela xelisufleba

Seicvala an revoluciiT,

an revoluciis fonze.

foni aris revoluciuri. Cven

marto biuletenebiT reJimebis

Secvlas ver SevZlebT dagv-

Wirdeba sxva resursebis gamoyeneba.

sxva resursi es aris saqarTvelos

mtkice neba, rom am

qveyanaSi erTxel da samudamod

Tavisufal garemos mivaRwioT

saarCevno yuTTan. ai, am moTxovnas

wavuyenebT saqarTvelos

dRevandel xelisuflebas. rev-

aWaraSi 2020-

saparlamento arCevnebs

gaerTianebuli opozicia

boikots ucxadebs

oluciebi ar igegmeba, revoluciebi

ibadeba. arc erTi revolucia,

romelic 90-iani wlebidan

moyolebuli saqarTveloSi

moxda, winaswar ar dagegmila.

is spontanurad warmoiSoba

im wams da im wuTs, roca

mas saqarTvelos moqalaqe daayenebs

sakuTari Tavis winaSe.

Tianebuli opoziciis maJori-

tari deputatobis kandidati:

_ guSin ivaniSvili gascda

sakonstitucio CarCos, faqtobrivad,

miitaca arCevnebi da

xalxis neba. Cven vimsjeleT da

myari gadawyvetileba miviReT

yvela opoziciuri partia dadgeba

iq, sadac iqneba qarTveli

xalxi. Cven viqnebiT maTTan er-

Tad da gavimarjvebT maTTan

erTad. ase rom, Zala erToba-

Sia da brZola grZeldeba.

armaz axvlediani _ „evropuli

saqarTvelos” maJori-

tari deputatobis kandidati:

_ dRes Cven gvaqvs uprecedento

erTianoba. saqarTvelos

istorias ar axsovs, rom vinmes,

yvelaze ufro mzakvar politikur

lidersac ki, is gaekeTebina,

rac gaakeTa TavkerZa ivaniSvilma.

man saqarTveloSi gaauqma

arCevnebi. ubralod, gaauqma!

vinc Seegueba saqarTveloSi

arCevnebis gauqmebas, vinc

mzad aris, rom qarTveli xalxis

absoluturi umravlesobis

arCevans zurgi aqcios, niSnavs,

rom is garigebulia ivaniSvilTan.

Cven ivaniSvilTan garigebas

arc erTi pirobiT, arc

erT SemTxvevaSi ar vapirebT,

radgan amasTan garigeba niSnavs

saqarTvelos daqcevas da kremlis

orbitaze dabrunebas. Cven

amas xels ar movawerT.

yvelam icodes, rom baTum-

Sic, TbilisSic da sxvaganac

gaixsneba demokratiuli dapirispirebis

mZlavri fronti

da Cven yvelafers gavakeTebT

imisTvis, rom qveynis SigniTac

da gareTac yvelam erTad aRiaros,

rom rac ivaniSvilma gaakeTa,

es aris antikonstituciuri

qmedeba qarTveli xalxis

nebis sawinaaRmdegod.

aqamde gvegona, rom yvelaferi gvqonda nanaxi...

qalo, Sedi „butkaSio”, _ ambobda biZina odes-

maka mosiaSvili

Rac anekdots... mere Cven yvela erTad davcino-

599 97 25 55

diT... da bolos mivxvdiT, rom yvela erTad Seg-

viyvana „butkaSi”... ramdenic ar unda gveZaxa Cven,

rom imnairebi ara varTo... Segviyvana da eg aris.... xoda, axla imnairebic

varT da amnairebic...

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TelavSi giorgi botkovels xmaTa es

raodenoba maSinac ki ar miuRia, roca

didi qocianobis dasawyisi iyo...

mere saprezidento arCevnebma aCvena,

rom Telavi „qocebis” aRar iyo...

pirvelsa da meore turSive „ocnebis”

iseTi mware wageba vixileT maSin, rom

mogvianebiT amaze gabrazebulma partiam

mers yvela moadgile mouxsna...

am arCevnebis dasawyisSi Tuki kaxeli

„qocebi” botkovels qveynis, eris, ubnisa

da eklesiis mtradac ki acxadebdnen,

saarCevno kampaniis dasrulebis Jams ukve

„patriotTa aliansis” kandidatze iseTi

kampania gaSales, rom akuris mRvdeli

miqaeli daayenes monasterSi da mrvelTan

qadagebis Jams moayolines, rad ar unda

miecaT xma parwikanaSvilisa da „patriot-

Ta aliansisTvis”.

„qocebis” mama miqaeli idga da swiravda,

rom iosebi iyo moRalate Tavis partiasTan

erTad... man uRalata partias,

samSoblosa da RmerTs... iseTi isterika

atyda, lamis SuSaniki daiwera Tavidan.

skolis direqtorebma im amomrCevlis

dabareba daiwyes, romlebic „qarTul

ocnebaze” nawyenebi iyvnen...

sabolood ki im donemde avida piki,

rom moxuc mSoblebs Svilebi piradobas

umalavdnen. atirebulebi ubnebze idgnen

da hyvebodnen, rogor gaafrTxila maTi

vaJi mTavrobam... da urC ded-mamas ki piradobebi

CamoarTves...

magram yvelaze naTeli iyo RamiT saolqosTan

mosuli komisiis Tavmjdomareebis

Sexvedrebi policiasTan...

TelavSi me-10 olqis win mosul ubnis

komisiis Tavmjdomareebs policia moacilebda.

mosulebs oqmebs umowmebda da

iwerda, ramdeni xma eweraT oqmSi.

maTi nebarTvis gareSe veravin Sevidoda

olqSi.

olqis Tavmjdomare ki gaocebuli ambobda,

rom ver xedavda da ver arkvevda,

ra darRvevebi iyo.

Tavad Tavdacvis ministri TelavSi

ijda da organizebas uwevda arCevnebs.

am arCevnebs TelavSi kobaxiZis ficis

dacva daarqves.

oRond diad qarTul politikas ar

daekarga didi irakli, amisTvis ikadres

da aCvenes. ra iqneba xval?

_ ioseb parwikanaSvili ambobs, rom es

arCevnebi saxea „qarTuli ocnebis”. yvela

ojaxSi var namyofi da arsad Semxvedria

am xelisuflebaze Seyvarebuli

xalxio.

bednieri saqarTvelo versad vipove

bolo sam TveSi 4 municipalitetSi. magram

vnaxe gaWirvebuli da gaubedurebuli

xalxi. dabolos arCevnebi gaayalbes!

nika vardoSvili _ leiboristuli

partiidan arCevnebs ase afasebs:

_ es iyo im xeglejias specoperacia.

ikadres da ra ikadres? yvelaferi... kacs

rac ar unaxavs, is vnaxeT. daSinebac iyo

da gayalbebac. ubralod, ar SerCebaT!

giorgi botkoveli:

àrc erTi xma

ivaniSvilis sasargeblod

saqarTvelos parlamentis

legitimaciisTvis~

eseni unda gavitanoT politikuri velidan

politikur sanagveSi, sxva gamosavali

ar aris!

sabolood ki centralurma saarCevno

komisiam Telavis, axmetis, yvarlisa da

lagodexis maJoritaruli saarCevno

olqis 154 saarCevno ubnidan yvela biuleteni

daiTvala. „qarTuli ocnebis” ma-

Joritarobis kandidatma irakli qadagiSvilma

xmebis 47.26% miiRo (41 662 xma),

gaerTianebuli opoziciis kandidatma

giorgi botkovelma ki 40.43% (35 645 xma).

am monacemebiT Telavis, axmetis, yvarlisa

da lagodexis maJoritarul olqSi

meore turi gaimarTeba.

evropuli saqarTvelos maJoritarobis

kandidatma zurab WiaberaSvilma 3.8%

miiRo (3 350 xma); „patriotTa aliansidan”

ioseb parwikanaSvilma 2.98% (2 625 xma);

„lelodan” irakli talaxaZem 1.56% (1 379

xma).

„romeli meore turi, romeli mandati,

romeli proporciuli sia da procenti?

arafrad gviRirs araferi, mTavari Rirebuleba

is adamianebi xarT, vinc mxari

dauWira opoziciur kandidatebs. maT yvelafers

gauZles, yvelaferi gadalaxes,

mainc mividnen da pozicia daafiqsires. me

arafrad miRirs arc maJoritaroba, arc

siiT deputatoba, mTavari Rirebuleba is

adamianebi arian, romlebmac mxari dagvi-

Wires. amitom me mivmarTav ceskosa da mis

mTavrobas: ar vapireb Sevide im farsSi,

ar vapireb gavxde im specoperaciis monawile,

romelic ivaniSvilma qarTveli xalxis

winaaRmdeg Caatara. me ar miviReb monawileobas

meore turSi! ar Seval proporciuli

siiT parlamentSi da minda movuwodo

yvela opozicioner deputats, arc

erTi xma ivaniSvilis sasargeblod

saqarTvelos parlamentis legitimaciisTvis”,

_ ganacxada giorgi botkovelma

TbilisSi, rusTavelis gamzirze, parlamentis

Senobis win gamarTul aqciaze, sadac

opozicia centraluri saarCevno komisiis

monacemebs aprotestebda da

arCevnebis Sedegebs ar aRiareba.

ceskos monacemebiT (3847 ubnidan monacemebi

daTvlilia 3843 ubnis mixedviT)

proporciuli wesiT „qarTul ocnebas”

xmebis 48.15% aqvs, „nacionaluri moZraoba

_ gaerTianebul opozicias” _ 27.13%.

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`poetoba sulieri mdgomareobaa~

xviCa mamulaZe

598 41 12 26

mavs is samomavlod?

„qronika+~-ma gadawyvita, ba-

Tumeli axalgazrda poeti, jaba

gorgilaZe, Tavis mkiTxvels ax-

lodan gaacnos.

_ ras niSnavs gerqvas poeti?

_ poeti ver iqnebi, Tu karg

leqsebs wer an piriqiT, poetoba

sulieri mdgomareobaa, unari sakuTari

survilebis gadadebis, sxvisi

tkivilis, sixarulis gaziarebis,

pasuxismgeblobis, adamianobis!

poetoba tvirTia, Rvawlia, es

uceb ar modis, ar SeiZleba, poeti

uwodo Tavs imis gamo, rom wer

leqsebs. poeti unda giwodon ara

mxolod sityviT, qceviT, TvalebiT,

mdgomareobiT. samwuxarod,

saqarTveloSi poeti Tu xar,

ueWveli siRaribeSi unda icxovro

an loTi unda iyo, an giJi. ratom-

Rac, ase aRiqvamen. poeti patara

bavSviviT aris, mas SeuZlia advilad

tirili, faqizi guli aqvs,

is yvelaferze fiqrobs, ganicdis,

samyaros sxvanairad aRiqvams, misi

samyaro feradia, lamazia, usasruloa,

sikeTiT aris savse, is ar

hgavs aravis, is ubraloa da naRdia,

mas gansxvavebulad uyvars,

poeti eris guliscemas grZnobs,

_ aseTia CemTvis poeti, naRdi,

naRebiviT adamiani!

_ romeli asakidan daiwyeT

wera?

_ albaT, 12 wlis viyavi. vwerdi,

Tumca aravin icoda, ver vbedavdi,

vinmesTvis meTqva, Tu Cems

Sinagan samyaroSi ra xdeboda.

ucnauri bavSvi viyavi, moridebuli,

Caketili. ra Tqma unda, es

fizikurad ar gamoixateboda,

Tumca Cemi sulieri mdgomareoba

sxvagvari iyo, vgrZnobdi, rom Cemi

samyaro sul sxvanairi iyo!

_ ratom gadawyviteT am sfer-

oSi moRvaweoba?

_ es iseTi sferoa, damoukideblad

ver gadawyvet. leqsebs

gadawyvetilebiT ar wer. gindaarginda,

Tu SigniT ifeTqa, unda

dawero, es vulkaniviT aris, rodis

amoifrqveva, ver gaigeb. Sei-

Zleba, erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi

eZinos an piriqiT, erT dReSi

orjer amofeTqos, ase rom, Seni

cxovreba atareb poeziis aqtiur

vulkans!

_ ras niSnavs TqvenTvis ba-

Tumeloba?

_ iyo baTumeli, ar niSnavs mxolod

baTumSi izrdebode da cxovrobde.

baTums unda grZnobde,

baTumeloba CemTvis aris siamaye,

baTumSi sxvanairi siTbo ician, es

patara lamazi qalaqi aris siyvarulis,

Tanadgomis, bednierebis

simbolo. zRva, Toliebi, irgvliv

mTebi, wvima, es yvelaferi ise

uxdeba baTums, mis gareSe cxovreba

ver warmomidgenia. Zalian bevri

samagaliTo adamiani gazarda

Cvenma qalaqma, amitom bednieri

var Cemi baTumelobiT!

_ apirebT Tu ara samomavlod

wignis gamocemas?

_ axlo momavalSi ara, Semdeg

ra iqneba, ar vici. ise, maqvs Cemi

krebuli, 2016 wels gamoveci megobrebis

daxmarebiT. visargebleb

vin aris jaba gorgilaZe?

rogor miaRwia axalgazrda po-

etma warmatebas? vin daexmara

warmatebis miRwevaSi da ras geg-

SemTxveviT da wignis gamocemis-

Tvis madlobas vuxdi emigrants,

poets, niWiersa da ulamazess

qalbaton jeni CxeiZes; aseve

Zalian karg adamians, Cems mkiTxvels,

eqim nino jimSelaZes.

_ ras etyodiT Tqvens mkiTxv-

els?

_ maT gareSe Cemi poezia udris

nuls, isini Zalian miyvars, CemTvis

yvelaze didi honorari aris

TiToeuli mkiTxvelisgan wamosuli

siTbo, es me mabednierebs, patara

bavSviviT mixaria, vtiri kidec

sixarulisgan. minda, rom iyvnen

bednierebi, cxovreba mSvenieria.

ubralod, unda SeigrZno samyaro

da miiRo is iseTi, rogoric aris!

_ Tqveni sayvareli leqsi?

_ Cemi leqsebi Cemi Svilebia,

rTulia da araswori Svilebis

garCeva, Tu romeli ufro giyvars,

Tumca aris leqsi, romelic

Cems Svils miuZRveni. minda, rom

Cemma Svilma igi Tavis Svilebs aswavlos,

ase gadaeces Taobebs.

leqss hqvia „anderZi”. mixaria,

rom leqss socialur qselSi naxevari

milioni naxva aqvs. danarCens

leqsis Sinaarsi getyviT, Tu

ram damawerina da ratom ifeTqa

CemSi poeziis vulkanma.

anderZi

ras dagitoveb,

ar vici, mama,

wlebi Caivlis,

albaT, amaod,

magram drom ise gamaTamama,

leqsi davwere SenTvis

malamod.

leqsi aris

Tu ufro anderZi,

rac aris guliT

giwerdi amas.

Seni TvalebiT

sunTqvas viZendi,

vgrZnobdi Tavs ukeT _

Zliers da Tamams.

modi, daviwyeb,

guls gadagiSli,

arafers iseTs

ubralod getyvi

giyvardes deda,

giyvardes gulSi

ise rom TiTqos

mzis sxiviT etrfi.

raTa mesmoda

cxra Tve galoba,

Zvlebis tkacuni,

siCqare gulis.

uTxari, midi,

didi madloba,

icode kveba

Sens siyvarulis.

pativi eci asakiT ufross,

adamianSi

zrdiloba laRobs.

CemTvis Rirseba

is aris ufro

Cemi Svili rom sxvis

tkivils dardobs.

Svilo, samSoblo

Seni saxlia,

N27 (329) 3.11-9.11.2020 w.

jaba gorgilaZe:

`ginda-arginda, Tu

SigniT ifeTqa,

unda dawero, es

vulkaniviT aris,

rodis amoifrqveva,

ver gaigeb~

gaxsovdes, ojaxs

sWirdeba saxli.

irgvliv aTasi „mamaZaRlia”,

amitom mavans

gmirulad daxvdi.

ubraloeba didi ganZia

mdumarebaSi ipovi ufals.

Tu mainc Zlier

codvam dagZlia,

nu daecemi,

codvilic uyvars

ufals _ Semoqmeds

wylisa da miwis.

Sinagan eqos

xmamaRla vityvi

da striqon-striqon

miT ufro mimZims

Cems fiqrebidan

gaSveba sityvis.

vasruleb weras,

Svilo, anderZi

aris motivi

kvlav dabadebis.

yoveli Seni namoqmedari

sicocxlesa

da sikvdilis derbi.

_ rogor gagigcno farTo au-

ditoriam?

_ zemoT aRvniSne, Zalian moridebuli

bavSvi viyavi, sakuTar

TavSi Caketili, Tumca asakma Tavisi

gaakeTa, gavizarde, cota gav-

Tamamdi, daviwye megobrebSi leqsebis

kiTxva. erT dRes Cemi megobris

deda gavicani, qalbatoni

inga gogiberiZe, amJamad sajaro

biblioTekas xelmZRvanelobs,

Zalian miyvars da vafaseb, misi TanadgomiT

Catarda Cemi pirveli

poeziis saRamo, Semdeg gamovida

erTobrivi krebuli „ingas ubani”.

qalbatoni ingas damsaxurebiT

wignSi Sevida Cemi ramdenime leqsi,

aseve daviwye leqsebis gamoqveyneba

socialur qselSi, etapobrivad

vgrZnobdi mkiTxvelis yuradRebas,

siyvaruls, rac Zalian

maxarebda.

qalbatoni lia jayelis organizatorobiT

aWaris xariton axvledianis

saxelobis muzeumSi

gaimarTa Cemi poeziis saRamo.

2016 wels daibeWda Cemi pira-

di krebuli „gulis eqo”, wignis

wardgineba Sedga baTumis ilia

WavWavaZis saxelobis muzeumSi,

amave wels baTumSi kvlav gaimar-

Ta Cemi krebulis wardgineba

baTumis sajaro biblioTekaSi da

TbilisSi samebis xelovnebis centrSi.

daviwye megobrebTan erTad

proeqti „survilebis dRe”. Cemi

megobris, ana laSxelis TanadgomiT,

viyavi proeqtis xelmZRvaneli,

vatarebdi saqvelmoqmedo sa-

Ramoebs, viwvevdi sxvadasxva niWier

avtors, erToblivad vatarebdiT

poeziis saRamoebs, Semosuli

TanxiT vexmarebodiT mravalSvilian

ojaxebs.

_ Tqveni es warmateba visi dam-

saxureba?

_ warmateba SeiZleba xmamaRali

naTqvamia, win kidev grZeli

gzaa warmatebamde, Tumca axla

rogorc movedi, pirvel rigSi es

aris Cemi ojaxis, skolis, mSoblebis

damsaxureba, aseve mTis,

sadac davibade, xuloSi sxalTis

xeobaSi.

me-10, me-11 klasi xuloSi davamTavre,

bebia-babuasTan, mTaSi

sxvagvari siyvaruli ician. sxal-

Ta istoriuli kuTxea, adgili,

sadac pirvelad Semovida qristianoba.

samwuxarod, osmalebis

samaswliani batonobis Sedegad

bevri Wriloba miiRo aWaram, magram

mixaria, rom dRes saqarTvelos

Rirseuli Svilebi varT, es

leqsi ki eZRvneba Cveneburebs,

romlebic, samwuxarod, mavanTa

mier gavlebuli ukanono sazRvris

miRma darCnen.

***

neni, gurjistanis

miwa edemia,

maS, Wo, yvelam

TurqeTidan wevdeT baTum,

rafer buzebiviT

Tvalwin irevian,

haide, Cven Reli-piras, Cemo

xanum!

igze acxan aWaruli kiJinia,

samas-samas s

isxliani iarebi,

sizmars, sizmars minania

ucxo miwazed rom viarebi!

gaRmai Cemeburi

baRvi-buRvai

naxirs saZovarze midenian,

gulSi siyvarulis

marwuxebi

hoida, hoida,

nanas mimRerian!

neni, wamo, adeq,

wevdeT gurjistanSi,

baTums ucxod

ucxoelze gviyidian,

dardma eSmakiviT

damkra ise tanSi,

codva mZimea

da veRar mizidia!

mjera dadgeba dro isev gabrwyindeba

saqarTvelo, Cveni Svilebi

icxovreben naTel, erTian da

jansaR qveyanaSi!

madloba yuradRebisTvis,

dafasebisTvis, me bavSviviT mixaria.

minda, warmateba vusurvo

Tqvens gunds!

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`Cemi Taoba realobas

„saqarTvelos politikuri am-

giorgi abaSiZe

biciebisgan neitraluri da Sede-

gze orientirebuli axali Taoba

sWirdeba, romelic saxelmwifoebriobis mniSvnelobas gaacnobierebs!

samwuxarod, dRes Seqmnili socialuri fonidan ga-

momdinare, sazogadoeba pirad sargebelzea momarTuli, rac

mxolod elementarulad aucilebeli moTxovnilebebis dak-

mayoflebas emsaxureba. imisTvis, rom saxelmwifo Sedges, mas

TiToeuli moqalaqis aqtivoba sWirdeba. dRes ki rigiTi

qarTvelisTvis, romelsac Sin mSieri Svili elodeba, qveynis

Seneba boloxarisxovania”, _ ambobs nino buCukuri, romelic

safrangeTSi, kerZod, parizSi swavlobs.

Ti gvqonda, romelmac saerTod ar

imuSava da xelisufleba iZulebuli

gaxda, isev sakarantino reJimze

gadawyobiliyo. rac Seexeba axlandel

SezRudvebs, gareT dausabuTebeli

mizeziT ver gaxval,

Tumca aseTis arsebobis SemTxveva-

Si specialuri sabuTi gWirdeba,

romelic oficialur saitze

eleqtronulad iqmneba. am mxriv

policia namdvilad mowodebis simaRlezea

_ yvela quCa, yovelgvari

gamonaklisis gareSe, mkacrad kontroldeba.

ai, magaliTad, dRes,

Cems Tvalwin, moqalaqe, romelsac

sabuTis Sevseba „daaviwyda”, 135

evroTi daajarimes da marTalia,

ukmayofilod, magram is jarimas

morCilad „dasTanxmda”.

aseve dauSvebelia qalaqebs

Soris gadaadgileba, Caiketa safrangeTis

sazRvrebi evrokavSiris

arawevri qveynebisTvis, evrokav-

Siris wevri qveynebidan Semosuli

moqalaqeebisTvis ki Riaa. aseve

daxurulia kafe-barebi, muzeumebi

da TavSeyris adgilebi, Tumca

Riaa skverebi da parkebi. mTavari,

riTic meore karantini pirvelisgan

gansxvavdeba, isaa, rom mTavrobam

kerZo seqtors TviTregulirebis

saSualeba misca, anu amjerad

damsaqmebeli irCevs, SeuZlia Tu

ara dasaqmebulebis onlain re-

Jimze gadayvana.

aseve Riaa sajaro momsaxurebis

saagentoebi da skolebi. saxelmwifo

maqsimalurad cdilobs, qveynis

normaluri muSaobis Seferxeba

Seamciros, rac sajaro da ekonomikuri

seqtoris axlebur regulirebaSi

gamoixateba. vnaxoT,

yvelafer amas ra Sedegi eqneba.

saerTod, Sedegi, rogorc wesi,

cifrebiT ganisazRvreba.

mokled, safrangeTi axal Caketvas

instituciur doneze bevrad

organizebuli Sexvda, sazogadoeba

ki _ gacilebiT mZafrad, anu

Sereuli poziciiT.

_ nino, rogorc vici, parizSi

swavlob. saqarTveloSi onlains-

wavleba bevrs ar moswons. am

mxriv mand rogori mdgomareobaa?

_ onlainrealoba koronapandemiis,

albaT, erT-erTi mTavari

maxasiaTebelia. ar davmalav da,

onlainswavlebas Tavidan Zalian

skeptikurad vuyurebdi da arcTu

dadebiTi molodinic mqonda, Tumca

am etapze arsebuli 2-Tviani

gamocdilebiT SemiZlia vTqva, rom

amarTlebs, Tumca jerac proces-

Si varT. pirveli karantinis dros

CemTvis swored es nawili iyo yvelaze

damTrgunveli.

_ ras gulisxmob?

_ pirveli karantini rom gamocxadda,

maxsovs, erT kviraSi saqarTvelos

evropasTan integraciis

Temaze didi prezentacia mqonda,

romlisTvisac, TanakurselTan

erTad, kvirebi vemzadebodi, Tum-

sxvaTa Soris, daramatulad

gazrdili koronaSemTxvevebis

gamo mTavrobam gadawyvetileba

miiRo da ramdenime dRis win

mTel safrangeTSi karantini xe-

lmeored gamoacxada. swored am

TemiT daviwye saubari Cems re-

spondentTan:

_ nino, rogor xar, koronobas

rogor uZleb?

_ saqarTvelos monatrebuli,

Tumca kargad da stabilurad var.

rac Seexeba koronobas, vfiqrob,

imdenad vuZleb, ramdenadac goneba

mis dasaSvebobas uSvebs. sxvaTa

Soris, grZelvadiani karantinis

gamovla ukve meored miwevs da

CemTvis, rogorc Zalian aqtiuri

adamianisTvis, swored esaa rTulad

misaRebi, anu rodesac mTeli

Tve gawerili gaqvs da yoveli Semdegi

nabiji ici, gadaadgilebis

iZulebiT SezRudva da Senive arealis

Seviwroeba rTulia. Tumca

rodesac saerTo usafrTxoebaze

vsaubrobT, piradi interesebis

SezRudva ra mosatania _ bolo 8

Tvea, Cveni da sxvaTa sicocxlis-

Tvis „koleqtiuri saqmis” keTeba

yoveldRiurad gviwevs da amitom

mgonia, rom am krizisis Semdeg

kidev ufro tolerantulebi viqnebiT.

dRes sazogadoebas yvelaze

metad swored es aklia. am axali

realobis pozitiuri mxare isaa,

rom uklebliv yvela gagvaerTiana

da piradad me kidev erTxel davrwmundi,

rom axal garemoebebTan

adaptireba da Cemive realobis

axal relsebze gadawyoba martivad

da swrafad SemiZlia. saerTod, e.

w. koronacxovrebis marTva martivi

araa, Tumca esec erTgvari

gamowvevaa, romelsac moTminebiTa

da maRali samoqalaqo pasuxismgeblobiT

veguebi. virusTan Tanacxovreba

viswavle da Sen, Cemo mkiTxvelo,

amasve girCev!

_ rogorc Tqvi, safrangeTSi

sayovelTao karantini ukve meo-

red gamocxadda. adgilobrivi

mosaxleoba xelaxla Caketvas

rogor Sexvda da, aqve, detalu-

rad rom momiyve, ra SezRudvebi

gaqvT?

_ meore „loqdauni” winaze moulodnelia,

Tumca gacilebiT naklebi

SezRudvebi axlavs. pirveli

karantinis dros mTeli parizi _

dawyebuli sajaro dawesebulebebiT,

damTavrebuli skverebiTa da

parkebiT _ Caiketa. maSin mxolod

afTiaqi, fosta, banki da didi marketebi

muSaobda. sabolood ki udidesi

ekonomikuri zewola miviReT.

sxvaTa Soris, mTavrobam meore

karantinis Tavidan asacileblad

yvelaferi gaakeTa, magram Tveze

metia, virusma xelaxali Semoteva

ukontrolo tempiT daiwyo _ yoveldRiurad

dainficirebulTa ricxvi

40-45000-s scdeboda. srul

karantinamde e. w. komendantis saa-

nino buCukuri: `mixeil saakaSvils

TamaSi didxans gaugrZelda da

dRes erTi msaxiobis Teatri aqvs!~

ca gadaido. Zalian damwyda guli,

magram zepiri aqtivobebi werilobiTiT

Canacvlda da ase davasruleT

pirveli weli, uprognozod

da forsmaJorul reJimSi. iseTi

didi skolebic ki, rogoric sorbonaa,

axal realobas moumzadebeli

daxvda da axal sistemaze gadasaTamaSeblad

didi dro ar das-

Wirda. amjerad procesi bevrad

organizebulia, anu 100%-iT onlain

swavlebaze gadavediT da onlaingaremoc

imaze realuri gaxda,

vidre warmomedgina.

saerTod, rodesac ganaTlebasa

da misi miRebis survilze vsaubrobT,

ar mgonia, kritika, Tanac

dausabuTebeli, misaRebi iyos. kritika

mxolod kritikas ar unda emsaxurebdes

da rodesac qarTul

ukmayofilebaze vsaubrobT, swored

aseTi STabeWdileba meqmneba.

aqtiuri studenturi cxovreba,

gadatvirTuli auditoriebiTa da

sityviT gamosvlebiT, ra Tqma unda,

mirCevnia, magram tribunis naklebobas

arc virtualur klasSi

vuCivi... sxvaTa Soris, yvelaze

Zalian biblioTekaSi muSaoba menatreba.

ai, koronam da onlainswavlam

swored es nawili SemizRuda.

_ ise, saqarTveloSi koronis

arsebobis bevrs isev ar sjera.

safrangeTSic asea?

_ samwuxarod, mxolod saqarTveloSi

ki ara, sxvaganac adamianebs

imis, risi dajerebac ar undaT, ar

sjeraT an Cvenive mentaluri Tu

fizikuri komfortisTvis gvirCevnia,

ar gvjerodes, Tumca safrangeTSi,

saqarTvelosgan gansxvavebiT,

virusis arsebobas politikur

ònlainrealoba koronapandemiis, albaT, erT-

erTi mTavari maxasiaTebelia. ar davmalav da,

onlainswavlebas Tavidan Zalian skeptikurad

vuyurebdi da arcTu dadebiTi molodinic

mqonda, Tumca am etapze arsebuli 2-Tviani

gamocdilebiT SemiZlia vTqva, rom amarTlebs~

dRis wesrigs aravin ukavSirebs.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, aravisgan msmenia

ybadaRebuli fraza, ai, xelisuflebas

awyobso. diax, es namdvilad

qarTuli politrealobisTvis

maxasiaTebeli midgomaa.

_ saqarTveloSi koronis poli-

tizeba imitom moxda, rom e. w.

meore talRa arCevnebs daemTxva

da faqtia, amis gamo bevrma xmis

micema ver SeZlo.

_ samwuxarod, virusi arsebobs

da igi imaze saSiSia, vidre gacnobierebuli

gvaqvs.

_ SeiZleba, Tumca, nino, koronas

moveSvaT da sxva Temebze ga-

davideT, anu wlebia, ucxoeTSi

xar, rogoria maqedan danaxuli

samSoblo?

_ meoTxe welia, safrangeTSi

vswavlob da qarTul realobas

namdvilad axali prizmidan vuyureb,

anu qarTveli var evropeli

damkvirveblis ampluaSi da am „rolSi”

yofna momwons _ evropeli

damkvirveblis gadmosaxedidan pozicionireba

axali unar-Cvevis gamosamuSaveblad,

romelic adgilze,

procesebis marTvisas gamomadgeba,

vfiqrob, saukeTeso saSualebaa.

ise, xandaxan mgonia, rom swored

es fundamenturi gvaviwydeba,

rodesac saqarTvelos momavalze

vsaubrobT. saqarTvelo araa ganyenebuli

erTi qveyana, romelic

sakuTari kanonebiTa da ritmiT

feTqavs. mas sakmaod saintereso

pozicia uWiravs da didi perspeqtiva

elis. igi msoflio geopolitikis

nawilia da saWadrako

dafaze erT-erTi figuraa. mTavaria,

es taqtikuri svla da TamaSi

rogor gagrZeldeba. saerTod,

didi moTamaSeebisTvis fexis awyoba

martivi ar aris, Tumca erTxel

ukve SevZeliT da qveynis TviTganviTarebisTvis

am tempis Senar-

Cuneba sasicocxlod aucilebelia.

ganviTarebas swori menejmenti

sWirdeba, rasac profesionalebi

axorcieleben. swored amitom

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aucileblad Secvlis!~

meoTxe welia, yvelafers vakeTeb,

rom ukandabrunebulma aq miRebuli

axleburi evropuli codna da

pirdapiri gamocdileba im proces-

Si gamoviyeno, romelic inovaciurad

danaxuli saqarTvelos Senebas

sWirdeba. CemTvis saqarTvelos

ganviTareba evrointegracias

ukavSirdeba, rac, Cemi azriT, Seuqcvadi

procesia. Cemi perspeqtivebic

swored am traeqtoriiT vi-

Tardeba. ise, Tavdapirvelad, saswavlo

gegma mxolod 1 wels ukav-

Sirdeboda _ mdgradi ganviTarebis

samarTalSi magistris xarisxi

davicavi. sxvaTa Soris, es evropuli

realobis axali da moculobi-

Ti Tavia. am mimarTulebiT saqar-

TveloSi mniSvnelovani gegmebi

maqvs, Tumca amaze mogvianebiT visaubreb...

saelCoSi muSaobis paralelurad,

SesaZlebloba mqonda,

uSualod samuSao procesSi damenaxa

is fasdaudebeli Sroma, romelsac

Cveni warmomadgenloba evropel

partniorebTan muSaobisas eweva.

swored es gaxda axali biZgi,

rom saqarTvelos evrokavSirTan

daaxloebisTvis es perspeqtiva axleburi

kuTxiT Semeswavla.

meore welia, evropaTmcodneobasac

veuflebi da evropasTan

asocirebis xelSekrulebiT gaTvaliswinebuli

valdebulebebis nawilSi

samagistro naSromze vmuSaob.

mgonia, rom qveynis ganviTarebis

aCqarebas swored aseTi midgomiT

SevZlebT. aprioria, rom Ti-

Toeuli Cvengani am saerTo SromaSi

Cvens wil pasuxismgeblobas

unda viazrebdeT. mxolod aseT

SemTxvevaSi SevZlebT saqarTvelos

gardaqmnas.

_ nino, konkretulad miTxari:

qarTul politikaSi ra mogwons

da ra _ ara?

_ qarTul politikaSi is momwons,

rac adre yvelaze naklebad

momowonda.

_ anu?

_ dinamikuroba da araprognozirebadoba

_ arasodes ici,

rogori politikuri dRe gaTendeba.

swored esaa qarTuli politikis

mTavari xibli da naklovanebac.

_ xibli ratomaa?

_ mudmivad giwevs tonusSi yofna.

rac Seexeba naklovanebas: xandaxan

azartSi zedmetad SevdivarT

da wiTel xazebs ise gadavabijebT,

ukan dasaxevi gza aRar rCeba.

swored ase mivdivarT radikalizmamde.

diax, qarTul politikas

yvelaze sworad swored es sityva

Seesabameba. CvenTan xom Sualeduri

araferia, maT Soris, arc _

politika.

_ ise, qveyanaSi arsebuli vi-

Tareba xom ar gaxda imis mizezi,

rom saswavleblad ucxoeTSi wa-

suliyavi?

_ amis mizezi is realoba gaxda,

romelic minda, rom Cems qveyanaSi

iyos! weRan pasuxismgebloba vaxsene

da vfiqrob, Cemi pasuxismgebloba

swored Cemi xarisxiani

codnis gamoyenebaa, romelsac

xarisxian muSaobaSi gardavqmni.

bevri aseT midgomas SeiZleba, skeptikurad

uyurebdes, magram darwmunebuli

var, rom amosavali swored

qveynis ganviTarebis xarisxSi,

anu xarisxian ganaTlebaSi, mediagaremoSi,

jandacvasa da ganviTarebaSia.

samwuxarod, fasaduri ganviTarebis

mZime gamocdileba gvaqvs,

rac dResac grZeldeba. sanam

populisturidan xarisxze orientirebuli

midgomebis danergvas ar

daviwyebT, svlas ver avaCqarebT.

arada, dro bevrad gvaswrebs.

_ e. i., ukan dabrunebas gegmav,

ara?

_ sxva alternativa arc ganixileba!

is, rasac vakeTeb, zustad

maqvs gaazrebuli da isic vici,

rom TiToeuli nabiji pirad gols

gamataninebs! jer bolo svlis

gasakeTeblad vemzadebi, Semdeg ki

saqarTveloSi welSi gamarTuli

da axali SemarTebiT davbrundebi.

_ nino, yvelaferi es imaze xom

ar mianiSnebs, rom politikaSi

gixilav?

_ paralelisTvis Tundac bolo

movlenebi rom gamoviyenoT, aravin

icis, xvalindeli dRe ras umzadebs.

rac Cemi Segnebuli cxovreba

maxsovs, gacnobierebuli maqvs mizani,

saiTac mivdivar da diax, es

politikas ukavSirdeba, oRond

politikas, rogorc instruments

realuri gardaqmnebisaTvis. viRacisTvis

SeiZleba, ambiciurad, Cem-

N27 (329) 3.11-9.11.2020 w.

Tvis ki realisturad JRers: droa,

gavacnobieroT, rom politika ker-

Zo pirebs, anu individebs ki ara,

saerTo sazogado sikeTes emsaxureba.

samwuxaroa, rom qarTul

politmexsierebaSi yvelaferi es

damaxinjebulia; politikur cxovrebaSi

xalxi politikas emsaxureba

da ara _ piriqiT. mokled,

maqvs ambicia, gardaqmnebSi pioneri

viyo.

_ sxvaTa Soris, Seni ojaxi „nacionalebis”

mowinaaRmdegea. ker-

Zod, dedaSeni „patriotebis”

wevria. Senc saqarTvelos neitralitetis

momxre xar Tu evroat-

lantikur aliansSi gawevrianebas

uWer mxars?

_ neitralitetis, rodesac sajaro

sivrceSi individis pozicionirebas

ukavSirdeba, sawinaaRmdego

araferi maqvs. neitraluri

da individualurad damoukidebeli

axalgazrda var, Tumca weRan

geopolitikuri gadaTamaSeba tyuilad

ar vaxsene. sasiamovnoa, rodesac

kiTxvaze, _ uWer Tu ara mxars

evropasTan integracias? _

ìseTi didi skolebic ki, rogoric sorbonaa,

axal realobas moumzadebeli daxvda da

axal sistemaze gadasaTamaSeblad didi dro

ar dasWirda~

qaTuli mosaxleobis damajerebeli

umravlesoba uyoymanod Tanxmdeba,

rom es gardauvali aucileblobaa.

saqarTvelos aqvs aRebuli

evropuli kursi, rac axali qarTuli

realobis fundamentia.

Rrmad var darwmunebuli, rom

qarTuli istoriis mniSvnelovani

Tavi evropasTan integraciiT daiwereba.

im benefitebsac vxedav,

rasac evrokavSiri axlo da Soreul

perspeqtivaSi mogvcems. dRes

qarTuli mTvroba ise, rogorc arasdros,

koordinebulad muSaobs

dawyebuli saqmis bolomde misayvanad

da amas yoveldRiurad vawydebi

saswavlo Tu samuSao proces-

Si. rigiTi evropeli studentis

gadmosaxedidan rom giTxraT, amayi

var, rom saqarTvelos aqvs potenciali,

evrokavSiris nawili gaxdes.

sxvaTa Soris, Cemi Tanakurselebic

darwmunebulebi arian, rom saqar-

Tvelo didi evropuli ojaxis

srulfasovani wevri gaxdeba. es,

ubralod, drois sakiTxia.

_ nino, ruseTi okupantia?

_ es is frazaa, romelic kiTxvis

niSnis gareSe warmoiTqmeba da

iwereba: ruseTi okupantia da,

diax, dResac grZeldeba mcocavi

aneqsia!

_ ra gaqvs saTqmeli mixeil

saakaSvilTan?

_ pasiurad maxsovs, rom mixeil

saakaSvilisTvis bavSvobaSi naTqvami

maqvs, SenTan TamaSi miyvarsmeTqi,

oRond im gansxvavebiT, rom

mas es TamaSi didxans gaugrZelda.

tragikulia, rom saakaSvili dResac

ver gamodis prezidentis, mTavarsardlisa

Tu reformatoris

rolidan da es maSin, roca ase

uWirs damnaSavisa da opozicioneris

rolSi yofna. ase TamaS-Tama-

SiT egona saakaSvils, rom Sendeboda

qveyana adamianis Rirsebis,

ZiriTadi uflebebis, instituciuri

ugulebelyofisa da kanonis

uzenaesobis moSlis xarjze, Tumca

dRes erTi msaxiobis Teatri

aqvs, didi xania, bevri aRar ukravs

taSs, bolo partiasac male daasrulebs

an davasrulebinebT. vnaxoT...

_ biZina ivaniSvils raRas ety-

odi?

_ biZina ivaniSvils imas vetyodi,

rac mgoni, isedac icis: aucilebelia

xisti politikis gatareba.

xSirad mesmis cifrebze apelireba,

rodesac „qarTuli ocnebis”

antireklamas cdiloben. cifrebi,

am SemTxvevaSi, pozitiuri gardaqmnisTvis

unda gamoiyenos da

dainaxos xelisuflebam, rom wlebi

gvaswrebs, msoflio viTardeba,

Cven ki dResac imas varCevT „sisxliani

cxra weli” Tu „ocnebis

dacema”? sapirwoned ara politikur

ZalTa Widili, aramed socialuri

paketebis xarisxi unda

gaizardos da qveyanaSi samuSao

adgilebi unda Seiqmnas. qveyana regress

ganicdis. swored am realobis

gardaqmnisken minda movuwodo

xalxs. swored aqedan iwyeba ganviTreba

da keTildReoba!

_ ra sWirdeba dRes saqarTve-

los?

_ saqarTvelos politikuri ambiciebisgan

neitraluri da Sedegze

orientirebuli axali Taoba

sWirdeba, romelic saxelmwifoebriobis

mniSvnelobas gaacnobierebs!

samwuxarod, dRes Seqmnili

socialuri fonidan gamomdinare,

sazogadoeba pirad sargebelzea

momarTuli, rac mxolod elementarulad

aucilebeli moTxovnilebebis

dakmayoflebas emsaxureba.

imisTvis, rom saxelmwifo

Sedges, mas TiToeuli moqalaqis

aqtivoba sWirdeba. dRes ki, rigi-

Ti qarTvelisTvis, romelsac Sin

mSieri Svili elodeba, qveynis

Seneba boloxarisxovania. sanam socialuri

fonis gaumjobeseba ar

daiwyeba, qveynis fundamentur ganviTarebaze

saubari rTulia. dRes

saqarTvelos bevri ram sWirdeba,

Tumca yevlaze metad profesionali

idealistebi da ideebisTvis

mebrZoli principuli axalgazrdebi,

romlebic stagnaciis aqtivobaSi

gadayvanas SeZleben.

_ anu Seni Taoba realobas

Secvlis?

_ Cemi Taoba realobas upirobod

Secvlis! es survili ki ara,

aucileblobaa! Secvlis oRond

ara SecvlisTvis, aramed imisTvis,

rom qveyana moergos xalxs, xalxma

ki igrZnos Tavi srulfasovan moqalaqed.

SevcvliT me, Sen da bevri

Cvennairi, visac gvgonia, rom es

ara maTi, aramed Cveni, TiToeulis

gasakeTebelia.

_ da mainc, dRes Cveni qveynis

mTavari problema ra aris?

_ daxarisxeba.

_ ras gulisxmob?

_ ratomRac, sazogadebriv normad

iqca, rom arsebobs garkveuli

jgufi, romelic erT rames ake-

Tebs, sxva jgufi _ meores da a. S.

magaliTd, mxolod konkretuli

jgufia ekonomikurad uzrunvelyofili,

garkveuli jgufs ki Zalian

uWirs. qveynis mTavari problema

swored es radikaluri dayofaa,

gamosavali ki Sereul mar-

TvaSia. magaliTad, ratom ar Sei-

Zleba, rom qveyana axalma da wina

Taobam axali xedvebiTa da Zveli

Taobis gamocdilebiT erTad mar-

Ton? ratomaa aucilebeli radikaluri

seleqcia? ratom unda iyos

aucileblad sakonstitucio umravlesobiT

„ocneba” parlamentSi

da mxolod „nacionalebi” mTavar

opoziciaSi?!

_ ise, nino, Senma frangma da

sxva erovnebis megobrebma saqarTveloze

ra ician an Sens sam-

Soblos rogor acnob xolme maT?

_ daaxloebiT, erTi kviris win

evropis sagareo politikis leqciaze

leqtorma TviTprezentacia

mTxova da maxsovs, saubari ase

daviwye: „studenti saqarTvelodan,

qveynidan, romelic Zalian

male gaxdeba evrokavSiris wevri

da dRes aq imitom var, rom mec

amisTvis vibrZvi!” evropeli kolegebis

winaSe sxva drosac ase warvdeqi.

saerTod, am frazas imdenad

xSirad vimeoreb, rom adre Tu

vinmes CaeRimeboda xolme, axla

maqvs gancda, rom masac CemsaviT

sjera am gardauvali realobis!

ise, Teoriuli codnis garda,

Cemma ucxoelma megobrebma kulinariaSi

qarTvelis Zlieri xeli

praqtikaSic daagemovnes da daadastures,

rom qarTul samzareulos

analogi ar aqvs, Rvino ki,

qarTul musikasTan erTad, imaze

sasiamovnod gagrZnobinebs Tavs,

vidre odesme iyavi!

_ bolos, ra gaqvs saTqmeli

mosaxleobasTan?

_ gjerodeT im ideebis, rac

ukeTess momavalTan migviyvans.

aravin icis, xval vin dawers Cveni

qveynis beds, dRes ki amis Semoqmedni

TiToeuli Cvengani varT!

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35 inglisisTvis

14 noembers msoflio ragbis erT-erT meqaSi,

londonis saxelovan „Tviqnemze”, saqarTvelos

moragbeTa nakrebi Tavis uaxles

istoriaSi umniSvnelovaness turnirSi Caebmeba

Semodgomis erTa Tasis gaTamaSebaSi.

erTi kviris win SotlandiaSi gancdili

marcxis Semdeg saqarTvelos klubebSi moTamaSe

da uklubod myofi borjRalosnebi

edinburgidan TbilisSi dabrundnen, xolo

legionerebma TavTavianT klubebs miaSures.

vinaidan 1-l noembers gasamarTi, ruse-

Tis nakrebTan „ragbi evropis” Cempionatis

matCi isev gadaido, qarTuli gundi kvlav

saTamaSo praqtikis gareSe rCeboda, amdenad,

levan maisaSvilma da misma Stabma Semdegi

gadawyvetileba miiRes: 1-lsa da 2 noembers

didi 12-is sam gadadebul matCSi iTamaSes

quTaisis „aiasa” da Tbilisis „lelo-sarasensis”

borjRalosanma wevrebma, xolo erTi

kviris Semdeg, roca sruli turi gaimarTeba,

masSi sxva gundebis borjRalosnebic

miiReben monawileobas. esec saTamaSo praqtika,

romlis srul ararsebobaze samarTlianad

apelirebda maisaSvili „marifildze”

7:48 ganadgurebis Semdeg.

rac Seexeba legionerebs, maT umravlesobas

Tavis frangul klubebSi miecemaT

tonusis SenarCunebis SesaZlebloba.

amasobaSi, levan maisaSvilma saboloo gadawyvetileba

miiRo da britaneTsa da irlandiaSi

saTamaSod wamsvlelTa 35-kaciani

gafarToebuli Semadgenloba gaasajarova.

rac aris, esaa. am biWebze ukeTesi dRevandel

qarTul ragbs arc hyavs. erTs davamateb:

marjvena burjis poziciaze ver vixilavT

levan CilaCavas, romelsac sezonis win travma

gaumizezda, Tumca SesaZloa, levanma reabilitacia

da mwyobrSi Cadgoma turniris

miwuruls moaswros da gunds SeeSvelos.

miT ufro, rom maisaSvilma Tavadac Tqva,

turniris msvlelobisas am SemadgenlobaSi

cvlilebebi sulac araa gamoricxulio.

garda amisa, „Tviqnemze” kote miqautaZe

ver iTamaSebs, arada, es kaci meore xazis

lideria da misi aryofna yvelaze SesamCnevi

iyo edinburguli matCis msvlelobisas.

saqme is aris, rom kotem sul axlaxan

moirCina aqilevsis myesis mZime dazianeba da

top 14-is „baionTan” samedicino jokeris statusiT

3-Tviani xelSekruleba gaaforma. am

klubs ise uWirs, rom miqautaZis poziciaze

sxva moragbe, ubralod, sasezono ganacxadSi

aRar darCa. ras izam, asea da miqautaZis aryofnaSi

nodar WeiSvilisa da axalgazrdebis

amara vrCebiT… sxva mxriv, es 35-euli dRevandeli

qarTuli ragbis saxea _ metad perspeqtiuli,

magram jerac SeuTamaSebeli da axali

gundis statusis matarebeli. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

levan maisaSvili darwmunebulia da es

araerTxel uTqvams kidec, rom yovel momdevno

matCSi saqarTvelos nakrebi xarisxobrivad

ufro maRal doneze iTamaSebs.

aqilevsi

amuxruWebs

12 noembers saqarTvelos erovnul

gunds umniSvnelovanesi matCi aqvs

CrdiloeT makedoniis nakrebTan. aseve

Zalian sayuradRebod miiCnevs CvenTan

dapirispirebas metoqe gundis mTavari

mwvrTneli igor angelovski da sjera,

rom misi gundi warmatebas miaRwevs.

„TbilisSi mosagebad yvelafers ga-

vakeTebT. 200%-iT davixarjebiT, raTa

qveyana evropis Cempionatze gasvliT

gavaxaroT. SedegTan erT nabijSi varT.

ver vityodi, rom vRelav an vnerviulob

ufro motivirebuli var. vcdi-

lob, simSvide SevinarCuno. kargad

vici, rac gvelis. Tumca, simarTle rom

giTxraT, am matCis win ise unda moviqceT,

rogorc nebismier sxva matCam-

de. civsisxlianad, zedmeti emociebis

gareSe. kargad viciT, ramdens niSnavs

es matCi da zedmeti wnexis Seqmna ar

gvinda”, acxadebs angelovski.

erTia, rom angelovski saqarTvel-

osTan matCs istoriulad ar Tvlis.

misi azriT, istoriuli iqneba avstriasTan,

13 ivniss gasamarTi, evropis Cem-

pionatis Sexvedra.

SegaxsenebT: 12 noembers sasworze

evropis Cempionatis sagzuri daideba,

romlis mflobelsac gundebi „dinamo

arenaze” gaarkveven.

angelovskis

istoria

saqarTvelo

ar aris

New York Post-is analitikosma adam luisma

statistikis mixedviT saintereso faqti dado,

aqilevsis myesis gawyvetis Semdgom periodSi

kalaTburTelebi gacilebiT sustad TamaSoben.

amiT miniSneba gaukeTa „bruklin neTsis” forvard

kevin durants, romelmac es travma bolo

periodSi gadaitana.

„gamokvlevebma aCvena, rom 1970 wlidan 2019

wlamde aqilevsis myesis gawyvetis Semdeg

moedanze dabrunebuli kalaTburTelebis saSualo

maCvenebeli 2.9 quliT iklebs. amjerad

duranti saSualo SedegianobiT (25,2 qula matC-

Si) istoriaSi merve adgilzea. travmis Semdeg

es maCvenebeli 22,3 gaxdeba da kairi irvingis

doneze „daecema”. es niSnavs, rom duranti legendebis

maCveneblidan „rigiTi” „ol staris”

kalaTburTeli gaxdeba”, ganacxada luisma.

32 wlis duranti draftze 2007 wels „sietl

supersoniqsma” aiyvana da pirvelive sezonSi

saukeTeso axalbedis prizi moigo. 2013-14 wlebis

sezonSi duranti pirvelad gaxda sezonis

MVP da saSualod matCSi 32 qulas, 7,4 moxsnasa

da 5,5 pass agrovebda. garda amisa, aSS-is nakrebis

SemadgenlobaSi mopovebuli aqvs msoflio

da olimpiuri oqro.

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saocari, warmoudgeneli ambavi

moxda londonSi: „arsenali”

irlandiuri „dandalkis”

evropa ligis matCSi ingliselebma

irlandiur klubs 3:0

sZlies da stumrebi 90 wuTi

erTxelac ar dajarimebulan…

diax, arc erTi (0) jarima mTeli

TamaSis ganmavlobaSi. ase-

Ti ram, albaT, aRarc ganmeordeba

„dandalki” istoriSi Caiwereba.

„arsenals” rac Seexeba, 20-

jer daarRvia wesebi da jarimebis

saerTo statistikac

aseTi dafiqsirda: 20:0! ginaxavT

aseTi statistika? gsmeniaT

aseTi statistika? Cven, _

ara…

SegaxsenebT:

„dandalki”

evropa ligis flei ofSi Tbilisis

„dinamos” potenciuri

metoqe gaxldaT, Tumca iqamde

Cvenebsac warmoudgeneli ambavi

mouvidaT, farerul „klaksviks”

1:6 Semoemarcxdnen da…

didi fexburTis saTamaSod mxolod

niWi ar kmara. arc Sromismoyvareobaa

sakmarisi. kidev raRac

aris saWiro, rac magar fexbur-

Tels magar kacad aqcevs.

xviCa kvaracxelias talantze

dRes yvela msjelobs, visac ar

ezareba da erTi xanoba imis safrTxec

iyo, varskvlavuri seni ar

Seyroda. Tqvenc ar momikvdeT!

am ymawvilma biWma erTi saqcieliT

metoqe fexburTelebisa da

qomagebis guli erTbaSad moigo.

tulis „arsenalTan” Sexvedris

pirvel taimSi xviCa metoqis sajarimoSi

daeca. penaltis TvalsazrisiT

epizodi saorWofo iyo, magram

vidre msajma reagireba moaxdina,

qarTveli wamodga da uTxra,

darRveva ar yofilao.

metoqe fexburTelebisa da fanebis

ovacia fear-fleis saukeTeso

prizia. Sedegs rac Seexeba,

xviCas „rubinma” 3:1 moigo, qarTvelma

ki mesame golisas bakaevs

Sedegianad upasa.

amasobaSi ki rusulma mediam

xviCa kvaracxelias yazanis „rubinidan”

„dortmundSi” SesaZlo gadasvlis

Tema aitaca. cxadia, ase-

Ti „xmebi” bevria, magram amjerad

saqme ufro seriozulad Cans.

„gundi kvaracxelias pirvelad

ar akvirdeba, magram amjerad fexburTelis

SeZenis SesaZleblobis

detalur Seswavlaze vsaubrobT.

pirvel rigSi, dagvWirdeba fifas

avtorizebuli agenti, romelic


dortmundamde kaci

klubis mxridan mis rusul warmomadgenelTan

imuSavebs (dRes mamuka

juRelia). meorec, „dortmundma”

unda gayidos fexburTeli, rom

xviCa SeiZinos. naklebad savaraudoa,

rom mxareebi zamTarSi gadasvlaze

SeTanxmdnen, magram transferze

konsultaciebi Tveze metxans

mimdinareobs”, acxadebs germanuli

klubis warmomadgeneli.

xviCas germanul bundesligaSi

gadasvlasTan dakavSirebiT komentari

saqarTvelos nakrebis mwvrTnelma,

vladimir vaismac gaakeTa.

„kargi fexburTelebi yvelafrisTvis

mzad arian, xviCa ki Zalian

kargi fexburTelia. Tu es transferi

gamova da kvaracxelia „dortmundSi”

iTamaSebs, es iqneba didebuli.

Cemi azriT, xviCa saamisod

100%-iT mzad aris. saqarTveloSi

aseTi fexburTelebi ukve bevria.

Tumca Zalian mniSvnelovania, rogor

gaagrZeleben karieras, rogor

miudgebian agentebi. xviCa kargi adamiania,

Zalian yuradRebiani varjiSebze.

axla is SesaniSnav mwvrTnelTan,

Cems megobar leonid sluckisTan

aris gundSi. SegviZlia vTqvaT,

rom kvaracxelia karg xelSi da

karg klubSia. talanti ki warmoudgeneli

aqvs. diax, mas uyvars burTis

daWera, magram mas unda vaswavloT

taqtika da gavacnoT sxva mniSvnelovani

faqtorebi. mas RmerTma

uboZa niWi, martom gadawyvitos mat-

Cis bedi”, Tqva vaisma.

13 atireba

sisxlis

ambavi

UFC-is gulSematkivrebs neiT di-

UFC-Si aRaraferi esaqmeba. xolo

asi Zalian uyvarT. mizezebi gasagerodesac

mTeli samyaro kavkasiel mebia,

qarizmatul tipaJTan erTad, san-

brZols TanaugrZnobda, neit diasi

axaobrivad Cxubobs, saocrad amtania

pories, geijisa da makgregoris jiu

da orTabrZolisas rac meti sisxli

jicus unarebiT ukmayofilo darCa.

iRvreba, is ufro saxifaTo xdeba.

misi TqmiT, ase xabibi verasdros

geijisTan xabibma 29-e gamarjveba

daamarcxebda. gasakviri faqtia, rom

moipova, xelTaTmanebi oqtagonze danurmagomedovze

ase is kaci lapara-

yara da sportidan daumarcxeblad

kobs, romelsac wagebaTa grafaSi

wavida. man Tqva, rom mamamisis gareSe

orniSna (12) cifri uweria.

CempionTa ligis meore turis

SexvedraSi „baSakSehirsa” da psJ-s

Soris pirveli taimi metismetad

uRimRamo gamodga.

erTaderTi dasamaxsovrebeli

epizodi neimaris travma iyo. man

moedani koWlobiT datova da

marcxena fexis gadaxvevis Semdeg

ramdenime wuTiT moedanzec dabrunda,

magram amaod maleve Secvla

iTxova.

26-e wuTze misi adgili pablo

sarabiam daikava. neimarma, ra Tqma

unda, itira es xom misi tradiciaa.

2017 wels psJ-Si gadasvlis Semdeg

neim mecamete travma miiRo da

moedans yovelTvis cremlebiT

tovebs. psJ-ma ki meore taimSi

moize kinis wyvili goliT iZala

da ligis mimdinare gaTamaSebaSi

pirvelad gaimarjva.

namatCevs parizelTa mwvrTnelma

tomas tuxelma imedi gmoTqva,

rom neimaris reabilitacias ramdenime

dRe eyofa.

kriStianu _ 2

kriStianu

ronaldum

xmaurian rekordebs migvaCvia:

meased, meorased, mesamased...

wina uqmeebze, speciasTan

stumrad, 4:1 moge-

bul matCSi ki portugalielma

mxolod meored gaake-

Ta is, rac pirvelad 14

wlis win, 2006 wlis de-

kemberSi moaxerxa:

Secvlaze Sesulma Seas-

rula dubli!

koronavirusisgan gankurnebuli

ronaldu 56-e wu-

Tze paulo dibalas nacvlad

CaerTo TamaSSi, 59-e wu-

Tze „iuventusi” daawinaura,

76-e wuTze ki penalti ga-

itana. 2006 wlis dekemberSi,

jer kidev „manCester iunaitedSi”

TamaSis dros, ro-

naldu „uigan atletikTan”

matCSi Sevida Secvlaze da

2-jer daamwuxra metoqe.

jokoviCis

erTi

pirveli

venis mastersis meore wre-

Si novak jokoviCma xorvati

borna CoriCi 7:6, 6:3 daamarcxa.

amiT man gainaRda kalendaru-

li wlis SedegebiT msoflios

pirveli Cognis statusi.

es misi meeqvse msgavsi war-

matebaa. manamde novaki sauke-

Teso 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015 da

2018 wlebSi gaxda.

am SedegiT serbma ukan moi-

tova rafa nadali da rojer

federeri, romlebsac pirvel

safexurze weliwadi 5-5-jer

aqvT dasrulebuli.

novaki legendarul pit sam-

prass gautolda da Tu erT se-

zonSic ipirvelebs, yvela

drois udiadesis titulsac

miiRebs.

N27 (329) 3.11-9.11.2020 w.

39

CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

kviris horoskopi

verZi

sasiyvarulo urTierTobisTvis sakmarisi

dro da energia ar geqnebaT, rac

Tqveni meore naxevris ukmayofilebas gamoiwvevs.

martoxela verZs didi imedi ar

unda hqondes, rom sabedos ipovis, magram

garSemomyofebs mainc yuradRebiT

daakvirdiT! am periodSi daqorwineba sasurveli

ar aris.

kuro

Tu gsurT arsebuli urTierToba SeinarCunoT,

tolerantuli unda iyoT sayvareli

adamianis naklovanebebis mimarT.

axali romanis dasawyebad iswavleT Tqvens

cxovrebaSi adamianebis „SemoSveba“. iyaviT

gulaxdili, rom SegamCnion da nu SegaSinebT

mozRvavebuli grZnobebi.

tyupi

ar gjeraT erTi naxviT Seyvarebis?

magram axla es SeiZleba swored Tqven

SegemTxvaT. Zlieri emociebi da didi vneba

garantirebulia! tyupebs, romlebic

ukve daqorwinebulebi arian, varskvlavebi

urCeven, rac SeiZleba meti dro gaataron

ojaxTan erTad. es xels Seuwyobs

Tqveni kavSiris gaZlierebas.

kirCxibi

ratom ar midixarT romantikul mogzaurobaSi

Tqvens meore naxevarTan er-

Tad? SeadgineT gegmebi! wyvili unda ecados,

rom marTvis sadaveebi mamakacis xelSi

aRmoCndes. rolebis axali ganawilebis

Sedegad qal kirCxibebs garantirebuli

aqvT yvavilebi, saCuqrebi da Zlieri siyvaruli.

lomi

sabedos rom SexvdeT, Tqveni Sexedulebebis

gadaxedva mogiwevT. frTxilad iyaviT

partnioris arCevisas pirvelive Semxvedrs

nu miendobiT: didi Sansia, rom Secdomas

dauSvebT. kviris meore naxevarSi

bednieri Sexvedra geliT, moemzadeT amisTvis!

qalwuli

kargad daakvirdiT Tqvens Zvel nacnobebs

– iqneb maT Soris aris Tqveni

momavali sabedo? martoxela qalwulebs

urCeven, rom ufro xSirad iyvnen adamian-

Ta kompaniebsa da sazogadoebriv adgileb-

Si. daqorwinebulebs ki moTmineba sWirdebaT.

gaxsovdeT: Tqvens sibrZneze bevri

ram aris damokidebuli.

saswori

axla unda gaiTvaliswinoT: Tu ukve

gaakeTeT arCevani, eWvi ar SegeparoT! endeT

Tqvens partniors, nu eZebT masSi naklovanebebs.

kviris meore naxevarSi Sei-

Zleba imedgacruebuli darCeT. nu CaiciklebiT

am usiamovnebaze, iqneb bedi

sul sxvagan geliT?


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze

yovelkvireuli

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari

pirveli gverdi:

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ;

meore-mesame gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 3 lari;

Sida gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;

bolos wina gverdi:

1sm 2 _2 lari;

bolo gverdi:

1sm 2 _ 3 lari,

maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _

1000 sm 2;

reklama CanarTis saxiT:

A3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;

A4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)

kviris horoskopi

morieli

am periodSi urTierTobis garkvevas

Tavidan ver aicilebT. SeecadeT es gza minimaluri

danakargebiT gaiaroT. zogierTi

morielisTvis axla ukeTesia partniorisgan

daisvenos: SesTavazeT mas es varianti. SabaT-kvira

sayvarel adamianebTan erTad gaatareT!

mSvildosani

arc ki ecadoT saidumlo romanze ifiqroT.

yvela saidumlo aucileblad

gamJRavndeba! ufro metad SeecadeT gadaarCinoT

arsebuli urTierToba: es SesaZlebelia.

Tu raimeTi ukmayofilo xarT, amis

Sesaxeb pirdapir uTxariT partniors. Tqveni

azrebis wakiTxvas is xom ver SeZlebs, Tu

Riad ar etyviT problemis Sesaxeb.

Txis rqa

Zveli urTierTobis dasrulebis Semdeg

nu iCqarebT axlis dawyebas. dasveneba

gWirdebaT. Txis rqebs, romlebic didi xania

bednierad grZnoben Tavs sayvarel adamian-

Tan erTad, varskvlavebi urCeven, axla rac

SeiZleba meti dro dauTmon meore naxevars.

ase masSi momxdari cvlilebebi ar gamogeparebaT.

merwyuli

qorwinebis saxlSi axla namdvilad ar

unda gaiqceT. urTierTobis Sesamowmeblad

dro gWirdebaT. am niSnis zogierTi warmomadgeneli

sasiyvarulo samkuTxedis gamo

daitanjeba. rac ufro male gaarkvevT urTierTobas,

miT ukeTesi! SeecadeT mSvidad

miiRoT gadawyvetileba da Cxubsa da kamaTs

eridoT.

Tevzebi

yvelaferi gaakeTeT, rom Zveli grZnobebi

gaaRvivoT. es gaacocxlebs arsebul

urTierTobas. axla sibrZnisa da moTminebis

gamovlenis droa. Tu didi xania siyvarulis

povnas cdilobT, Zebna SewyviteT –

bedi male Tavad gipoviT.

1 aSS dolari

3.2438

1 evro

3.7761

1 girvanqa sterlingi

4.1900

100 rusuli rubli

4.0307

amindi

samSabaTi

oTxSabaTi

xuTSabaTi

paraskevi

SabaTi

kvira

orSabaTi

Tbilisi

17-19 0

16-18 0

15-17 0

16-18 0

15-17 0

16-18 0

12-14 0

quTaisi

19-21 0

24-26 0

20-22 0

15-17 0

16-18 0

15-17 0

18-21 0

baTumi

18-21 0

20-22 0

19-21 0

16-18 0

15-17 0

17-20 0

16-18 0

zugdidi

19-22 0

23-25 0

20-22 0

17-19 0

16-18 0

18-20 0

19-22 0

gori

14-16 0

15-17 0

16-18 0

12-14 0

10-12 0

11-13 0

12-14 0

Telavi

21-23 0

19-21 0

18-20 0

16-18 0

17-19 0

16-18 0

15-17 0

foTi

17-20 0

23-25 0

19-21 0

17-19 0

18-20 0

15-17 0

18-21 0

40

saredaqcio kolegia

yvela ufleba daculia;

`qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli

masalebis nebismieri saxiT

gamoyeneba da gavrceleba

redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad

akrZalulia!

gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul

masalebs aqvT sareklamo

xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia

SeiZleba ar daemTxves

redaqciis Sexedulebas.

mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)

marsagiSvili Sorena 599 92 16 22

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55

injgia nene 591 71 39 98

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 81

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40

mamulaZe xviCa 598 41 12 26

deviZe daviT

stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;

redaqciis misamarTi:

Tbilisi, gudauris N3,

pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;

tel.: 294 69 77;

sareklamo ganyofileba,

gavrcelebis samsaxuri

Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10

gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~

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