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Mark Chapman | Friederike Nüssel | Matthias Grebe | Frank-Dieter Fischbach (Eds.): Towards Interchangeability II (Leseprobe)

After the 2021 Theological Conference of the Meissen Commission focussed on the theological and ecclesiological potential of the Meissen Declaration for ecumenical relations  between the Protestant Church in Germany and the Church of England from today’s perspective, the conference of 2024 explored the scope of the Declaration in terms of canon law and practical theology. At the same time, there were discussions of the important social upheavals that have since changed the church’s understanding of ministry. Reflections on ecumenical experiences of interchangeability on the ground show the opportunities and limitations within the Meissen Declaration as well as in different regional, social and ecclesial contexts.

After the 2021 Theological Conference of the Meissen Commission focussed on the theological and ecclesiological potential of the Meissen Declaration for ecumenical relations 
between the Protestant Church in Germany and the Church of England from today’s perspective, the conference of 2024 explored the scope of the Declaration in terms of canon law and practical theology. At the same time, there were discussions of the important social upheavals that have since changed the church’s understanding of ministry. Reflections on ecumenical experiences of interchangeability on the ground show the opportunities and limitations within the Meissen Declaration as well as in different regional, social and ecclesial contexts.

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Beihefte

zur Ökumenischen Rundschau 142

Mark Chapman | Matthias Grebe | Friederike Nüssel

Frank-Dieter Fischbach (Eds.)

Towards Interchangeability II

Local and Legal Perspectives and the Meissen Agreement



Table of Contents

Introduction. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9

Mark Chapman and Friederike Nüssel

HISTORICAL CONSIDERATIONS

Act, practice and canonicity. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17

The exercise of episcopacy in Anglicanism

Jeremy Morris

Local Ecumenism and the Art of the Possible. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 34

Mark Chapman

PRACTICAL CASE STUDIES

The Kingdom of God in Kirkby Lonsdale. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 53

Reflections on a Cumbrian Covenant

Jane Maycock

Nuremberg case studies on interchangeability. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 67

Practical challenges for the exercise of ministry in the

‘other’ context

Stefanie Reuther

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Pragmatic Church Unity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 78

Lessons from the South Indian Diaspora

Shemil Mathew

The fading of denominational differences between Catholics

and Protestants in Germany. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 93

According to the sixth church membership survey

Christopher Jacobi

LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS

The Recognition of Holy Orders in the Church of England

and the Overseas Clergy Measure 1967. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 109

William Adam

Interchangeability of Ministers in Evangelical Church Law. . . . . . . . 123

Hendrik Munsonius

THEOLOGICAL AND ECCLESIOLOGICAL PROSPECTS

On the way to unity. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 137

Narrative community and pragmatism

Bishop Ralf Meister

The Glory of ‘Everyday Ecumenism’. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 149

Ashley Cocksworth

On the way to full communion between The

Episcopal Church (TEC) and Evang.-Luth. Church in

Bavaria (ELCB). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 162

Starting point − common path − obstacles − goal − consequences

Michael Martin

Apostolicity and Friendship in Christ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 175

Lucy Gardner

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Visible Identity and Ecumenism. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 189

Theological considerations in light of some recent

sociological approaches

Friederike Nüssel

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Introduction

Mark Chapman and Friederike Nüssel

The Twelfth Theological Conference between the Church of England and

the Protestant Church in Germany (EKD) took place at the Dietrich Bonhoeffer-Hotel

in Berlin from 12 to 15 February 2024. It was the third conference

in a row in which the dialogue between the Church of England

(CofE) and the Protestant Church in Germany (EKD) focused on new ways

to address the question of visible unity in ministry. While the Tenth Theological

Conference, held at the Missionsakademie in Hamburg in 2019,

had revisited the Meissen Agreement after 30 years in light of new ecumenical

developments, 1 the Eleventh Conference, held online in 2021,

addressed the interchangeability of ministers as the current limiting factor

in the practical side of the church fellowship between the CofE and the

EKD. The goal was to explore new perspectives and ways to work towards

the interchangeability of ministers as a way of achieving full visible unity

in ministry. 2

Building on the insights of these conferences, the aim of the Twelfth

Conference in 2024 was to explore further how the desire for ‘full, visible

unity of the body of Christ on earth’ (Meissen Agreement III.7) might be

realised to the maximum extent possible within the current constraints of

the laws and doctrines governing both churches. Since in other spheres

(such as the marriage of divorcees in church) it has been possible to change

pastoral practice without changing the fundamental canons or doctrines

1

Mark Chapman, Friederike Nüssel, Matthias Grebe (Eds.), Revisiting the Meissen

Declaration after 30 years, Beihefte zur Ökumenischen Rundschau (BÖR) 126

(Leipzig: Evangelische Verlagsanstalt, 2020).

2

Mark Chapman, Matthias Grebe, Friederike Nüssel, Frank-Dieter Fischbach (Eds.),

Towards Interchangeability: Reflections on Episcopacy in Theory and Practice,

BÖR 135 (Leipzig: Evangelische Verlagsanstalt, 2022).

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of the Church, by analogy the delegation asked whether there were ways

in which pragmatic and pastoral solutions might be implemented to promote

further interchangeability which do not raise insurmountable questions

for the CofE around such issues as the ‘validity’ of orders and the

Act of Uniformity of 1662. Thus, the aim was to redirect attention to

church law and practical theology to explore ‘the art of the possible’ under

the title: “Towards Interchangeability II: Legal and Practical Lessons”. The

remaining points of difference in the understanding of ministry in apostolic

succession between the CofE and the EKD are reflected in the different

aspects and approaches to legal, practical, and theological issues of interchangeability

which the papers from the two sides take. While addressing

a wide variety of issues, the papers of delegates from both churches offered

historical considerations, practical case studies, legal considerations and

theological and ecclesiological prospects.

Starting from a historical perspective Jeremy Morris discusses different

understandings of episcopacy in the CofE, and the need to move beyond

the ‘supercharging’ of the doctrine of apostolic succession. He suggests

that rather than simply focusing on the past, it is important for all churches

to look to the future, which should lead to a degree of self-critique which

can help advance the cause of ecumenical dialogue and promote full visible

unity.

Mark Chapman focuses on the ways in which local ecumenism has

developed ways of relating at the grassroots level. These have often been

based on pragmatic and practical solutions that have allowed for a great

deal of ecumenical sharing that has been able to be achieved without long

synodical discussions or structural reconciliation. By outlining early experiences

from the 1960s and the creation of the ecumenical canons he emphasizes

the importance of a ‘political’ theology of ecumenism as the ‘art

of the possible’.

Taking this local story to the present day, Jane Maycock describes in

her practical case study the close partnerships between the churches, especially

the CofE and the Methodist Church, in the town of Kirkby Lonsdale

in Cumbria in northwest England. What began as a practical solution

because of changes in the deployment of ministers in different denominations

quickly grew into a way of working that allowed churches to work

together in quite unprecedented ways. While there remain some structural

and governance questions, the case study reveals the strength of an ecumenism

that builds on personal relationships and networks.

From an EKD-perspective Stephanie Reuther offers a concrete view of

the possibilities and existing limits of interchangeability, drawing on the

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experience from her three years as a Lutheran pastor working in the Diocese

of Hereford of the Church of England which were supplemented by

CofE pastors visiting the Lutheran Church in Bavaria. She highlights the

remarkable ecumenical co-operation at many levels in the Diocese of Hereford.

At the same time, she looks at the restrictions on baptisms and weddings

and the challenges around the issue of national identity, which had

to be dealt with in a pragmatic way. She argues that interchangeability

requires the ability to reflect on one’s own situation in the context of ‘the

other’, which not only requires theological education, but will only be sustainable

in a cooperation on eye level.

Shemil Mathew offers another case study which addresses the Church

of South India, itself an ecumenical church, especially in the diaspora. He

offers some important reflections on the ways in which members of a

united church, which is part of the Anglican Communion, do not always

feel at home within the Church of England. Reflecting on the postcolonial

situation he suggests that a compelled doctrinal unity can be reminiscent

of the sort of unity imposed by the British Empire.

In the German context, the practical demand for ecumenism is supported

by the sixth Church Membership Survey in Germany 2023 which

for the first time includes Catholics and people with no denominational

affiliation. Christoph Jacobi gives an overview of the theoretical and

methodological design and the general trends of the survey. It shows not

only a rapid increase in secularisation and a drastic decline in church membership,

but also a sharp decrease in denominational differences between

Protestants and Catholics in their religious beliefs and attitudes. Correspondingly,

the responses demonstrate that ecumenical co-operation is

highly valued.

Responding to the practical requirements of interchangeability from

the perspective of canon law, Will Adam explains that even though there

have been subtle changes in the understanding of orders, there remain

some significant questions about the exercise of ministry by those who

have not been episcopally-ordained.

Hendrik Munsonius examines the conditions for interchangeability of

ministers under Protestant church law in the EKD with regard to the main

requirements for ministry: church membership, academic and practical

training, and ordination. The impact of the restrictions resulting from these

requirements depend, among other things, on the corresponding regulations

of the other church. While adjustments may be necessary and require

theological reflection along the reference points of the religious legal framework,

scripture and confession, and church fellowship, the employment

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of ministers from another church is possible and would allow for interchangeability

of ministry in the EKD.

In a last section this volume offers papers with theological and ecclesiological

prospects. Ralph Meister narrates the entangled histories of

Lower Saxony and England as a fertile ground for the influence of the

British occupation zone on the formation of the federal state of Lower Saxony

and the development of democracy after Second World War. This was

part of the environment that contributed to the flourishing of ecumenism

in the parallel development of both the CofE-initiated Meissen Agreement

and the regional ecumenism in Lower Saxony between five Protestant

churches and Roman Catholic dioceses. In this way, the paper illustrates

the power of historical narrative and suggests that ecumenical success stories

support the attractiveness of churches, whereas they lose credibility

when they focus on their own performance.

Ashley Cocksworth recasts ecumenism in the language of glory and

joy. Beginning with Karl Barth’s unpacking of the doctrine of glory and

the ways in which it relates to joy, he shows how the church exists to

‘do’ glory in the world and as it does so it offers a joyful gift. In the same

way, unity might be conceived of as a verb – we ‘do’ unity: by enjoying

each other and God the church performs unity as it images the unity of

God. This is often fleshed out in the everyday world in friendships and

joint actions which reflect something of this unity in different local communities.

Drawing on the ecumenical journey between the Episcopal Church in

the United States and the Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Bavaria which

has grown out of more than forty years of ecumenical friendship in a manner

similar to the terms of the Meissen Agreement, Michael Martin describes

how a dialogue that began in 2012 had led to the Augsburg Agreement

in which the two churches not only mutually recognise their

ministries, but also their understanding of the apostolic ministry in historic

succession. Since the General Synods of both churches adopted the Augsburg

Agreement in 2023/24, the churches now share full visible unity

and can practice interchangeability of ministry as a final step in their ecumenical

fellowship.

In a systematic approach Lucy Gardner considers the combined ecumenical

promise of two relatively under-developed ecclesiological themes:

‘being sent’ by Christ and friendship with Christ. She proposes a receptive

ecclesiological framework for thinking about practical transitions from affective

to effective ecumenism. By rethinking the nature of apostolicity,

she tentatively suggests a humble and creative way forward which can

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‘recognise, celebrate and welcome the beauty of the feet of any who accept

the charge to carry the Gospel to the Church and the world’.

Looking at the global ecumenical movement, Friederike Nüssel reflects

on the development of the goal of visible unity in light of the ongoing controversy

about the criteria for visibility and the growing struggle for visibility

as a characteristic of late modern societies. Drawing on recent sociological

analyses she perceives ecumenical engagement to counteract the

trend towards singularity and the Meissen fellowship as an existing model

of a resonant ecumenism in which full interchangeability would increase

both mutuality and visibility.

The conversations at the last two conferences helped to deepen our

mutual understanding of the differences regarding the role of episcopacy

and the historic, apostolic succession and the conditions for full, visible

unity in ministry in light of the different historical and cultural backgrounds.

After robust discussion, the Conference participants came to a

consensus that the concept of episcopé is open to a number of interpretations

and has been expressed in a variety of historical forms, which can be

held with equal integrity and express the intention of maintaining the

apostolic tradition.

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