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_ qalbatono lela, rogorc yovelTvis,

interviu ucxoeTis ambebiT minda daviwyo.

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mier Catarebulma saraketo cdebma

msoflio medias kidev erTi kiTxva gauCina:

vis winaaRmdegaa mimarTuli indoeTis

Sori radiusiT moqmedebis raketebi _

CineTisa Tu pakistanis?

_ axla, am konkretul situaciaSi indoeTs

ufro CineTis winaaRmdeg momarTuls

vxedav, magram zogadad, yvelas mimarT aqvs

gamiznuli saraketo dartymebis ganxorcieleba,

ra Tqma unda, Tuki vinme daemuqreba maT

sazRvrebsa da saxelmwifos. winaswarmetyvelebaSi

ukve Cavwere da kidev gavimeoreb, rom aziur

qveynebs zemZlavri iaraRis Seqmnis kuTxiT

bolomde gamarTleba ar aweriaT. saqme

isaa, rom msoflios wamyvani qveynebi ar

dauSveben maT moZlierebas am mimarTulebiT

arcerT SemTxvevaSi.

_ sainteresoa, awyobs Tu ara amerikas

indoeTis mxridan CineTis winaaRmdeg

mimarTuli, ase vTqvaT, saraketo muqarebi

am etapze, roca CineTis samxedro

xaziT gaaqtiureba ukve aSfoTebs SeerTebul

Statebs?

_ ara, amerikas ar awyobs es aranairad,

imitom, rom kacma ar icis, saqme saqmeze

rom midgeba, visken mimarTavs indoeTi am

raketebs.

_ qalbatono lela, aSS saxelmwifo

departamentis warmomadgenelma viqtoria

nulandma ganacxada, rom nato-s

gadawyvetilebiT, Cikagos samitis farglebSi

nato-ruseTis sabWos sxdoma ar

gaimarTeba. sainteresoa, ratom gadaido

sxdoma?

_ mizezi maT Soris SeuTanxmeblobaa da

es SeuTanxmebloba exeba aramxolod erT,

aramed yvela sakiTxs, romelzec es ori

mxare molaparakebebs awarmoebda.

_ aris Tu ara maT Soris molaparakebebis

Tema saqarTvelo?

_ aucileblad! Sen warmoidgine, msoflios

did nawilSi omebia gaCaRebuli, magram

#1 Temad, upirveles sakiTxad mainc

kavkasia, anu saqarTvelo rCeba. vinmes iqneb

gaukvirdes, magram vxedav, ruseTis prezidents

arc CineTi, arc indoeTi, arc Soreuli

aRmosavleTi Tu sxva ise ar ainteresebs,

rogorc saqarTvelo. rogorc ityvian, pirdapir

gadakidebulia Cvens qveyanaze. mizezi

amisa isaa, rom swored saqarTvelom daasamara

maTi politika msoflios TvalSi da

saqarTvelos sakiTxmac ganapiroba didi Seu-

Tanxmebloba amerikasa da evropasTan. es

asea asi procentiT.umTavresi da umniSvnelovanesi

ki isaa, rom momavalSi ruseTi pirwmindad

waagebs Cvens qveyanasTan politikur

brZolas.

aqve isic minda davamato, rom ruseTis

SidapolitikaSi Zalian rTuli, umZimesi procesebi

iwyeba. uzarmazar ruseTSi ver gatardeba

is reformebi da `didi demokratiuli

ideebi~, rac SeiZleba rom gatardes

saqarTveloSi.

amas erTvis ruseT-amerikas Soris arsebuli

SeuTanxmeblobebic. maT Soris urTier-

Toba, romelic realurad sulac araa damTbari,

anu gadatvirTuli, ase swrafad ver

aRdgeba. imitom, rom ruseTi dinebis sawinaaRmdegod

curavs da es, faqtobrivad,

damangrevelia rogorc amerikisTvis, ise evropisa

da aziisTvisac, da rac, raRa Tqma

unda, ar awyobT SeerTebul Statebsa Tu

sxvebs. warsulSi yvelaferSi vera, magram

raRacaSi mainc yovelTvis Tanxmdebodnen, xan

erTi mxare Tmobda raRacas, xan meore. dRes

ki es, ase vTqvaT, politikuri TamaSebi,

saerTod miiviwyes da gadasulebi arian seriozuli

dapirispirebis fazaSi, rac Zalian

saSiSia pirvel rigSi Tavad ruseTisTvis.

_ ratom ruseTisTvis?

_ imitom, rom ruseTi geopolitikurad

saSiS zonaSia, anu axlosaa CineTTanac, indoeTTanac

da sxva viTom megobar aziur

qveynebTanac, romlebic, Tu dasWirdaT, myis

da me getyviT Tqven...

mkiTxvels yovel nomerSi vTavazobT intervius

qarTvel winaswarmetyvelTan. igi isaubrebs

mocemuli momentisTvis yvelaze metad

aqtualur Temebze, Tumca qalbatoni lelas

pasuxebi yovelTvis efuZneba ramdenime wlis

win Caweril winaswarmetyvelebebs.

raketebs miuSveren. hoda, sabolood, gamomdinare

Secdomebidan, romelTac ruseTi uSvebs,

igi Zalian cud nayofs moimkis msoflio

politikaSi.

_ qalbatono lela, vrceldeba informacia,

rom SesaZloa rokis gvirabi

Caiketos 3 wliT, raTa iq saremonto

samuSaoebi Catardes. es osuri mxaris

gadawyvetilebaa Tu ruseTisa?

_ rokis gvirabis Caketva, gaxsovs, rom

isedac nawinaswarmetyvelebi maqvs. igi aucileblad

gadaiketeba, Tanac ara raime vadiT,

aramed samudamod. es kosmosis nebaa da ara

adamianebisa. kiTxvaze ki gipasuxeb, rom

osebi TviTon verafers wyveten da verc

gadawyveten. aq ruseTis interesebi ikveTeba

da swored maTi iniciativaa gvirabis Caketva.

_ raSi awyobs ruseTs saqarTvelos

teritoriaze mosaxvedrad am umoklesi

gzis Tundac droebiT gauqmeba?

_ diax, rokis gvirabi ruseTisTvis erTerTi

umoklesi gza gaxlavT saqarTveloSi

Semosasvlelad, magram igivea is gza, romelic

saSualebas aZlevs `bnelSi moarul adamianebs~

_ upirvelesad, teroristebs, narkomovaWreebsa

da sxvebsac _ ruseTis teritoriaze

uwvaleblad moxvdnen. da im fonze,

romelic dRes sufevs ruseTis teritoriaze

_ mxedvelobaSi maqvs momravlebuli teroristuli

aqtebi, romelTac ar axmaureben

_ qveynis xelisufleba aqedan Tavis dacvas

cdilobs.

amas garda, rokis gvirabis gadaketva

rusebis kidev erTi avantiuraa da amiTac

vaWrobs.

_ vrceldeba informacia, rom

vladimer putini `emSvidobeba~ sakuTar

partias _ `eZinaia rasias~.

_ ruseTis prezidentis es nabiji, wavides

partiidan, aris TamaSi, rom viTom

raRac siaxle Seitana, viTom raRac gadaake-

Ta sakuTar politikaSi. is yvelafers saxelebs

gadaarqmevs, magram igive xalxs tovebs.

Tumca, Zvel Cinovnikebs oms gamoucxadebs

da axalgazrda Taobas wamowevs win. didi

qaosi iqneba, didi.

_ qalbatono lela, cota xnis win

mTeli ruseTi aaforiaqa CeCeni advokatis,

dagir hasavovis mier pirdapir

satelevizio eTerSi naTqvamma frazam:

`Cven sakuTar saxlSi varT. SesaZloa,

Tqven xarT aq ucxoebi, magram Cven ki

Cvens saxlSi varT. Tu vinme SeewinaaRmdegeba

SariaTis sasamarTlos Seqmnas

ruseTSi, Cven sisxliT movrwyavT qveyanas,

moskovs mkvdar tbas davamsgavsebT.

am qsels Cven arabeTis xalifatis zomamde

gavzrdiT. yvela muslimi unda gaerTiandes.

ruseTma unda mogvces amis Sesa-

Zlebloba!~ ra iyo es _ cxel gulze

wamosrolili fraza, Tu absoluturad

gamiznuli mesiji?

_ araviTari cxel gulze wamosrolili

fraza. es iyo Zalze seriozul, radikalurad

ganwyobil CeCnur wreebSi dagegmili

nabiji (minda giTxraT, rom CeCneTSi radikali

islamistebis sakmaod didma raodenobam

moiyara Tavi, Tanac gansakuTrebulad radikalebisa),

garkveuli jgufis davaleba, romelic

am advokatma, ase vTqvaT, pirnaTlad Seasrula.

sxvaTa Soris, es Secdomaa CeCnebis mxridan,

vinaidan am gancxadebam ucbad gamoafxizla

ruseTis mTavroba. isini mixvdnen, rom

saWiroa ise `gaiwmindos~ CeCneTi, rom iqauroba

mxolod puris dasaTesad gamodges.

_ qalbatono lela, vrceldeba informacia,

rom CineTma arqtikas daadga

Tvali. ra interesebi aqvs mas dedamiwis

im nawilSi, romelic ukve gadanawilebulia

didwilad ruseTs, amerikis

SeerTebul Statebsa da kanadas Soris?

an ramdenad SeZlebs CineTi arqtikaSi,

ase vTqvaT, Tavis damkvidrebas?

_ CineTis interesi _ es aris arqtikaSi

arsebuli navTobi Tu sxva sasargeblo wiaRiseuli,

romelsac xels aravin, arcerTi

sxva saxelmwifo ar hkidebs. ara imitom,

rom maT mosapoveblad saWiro teqnologie-

bs ver floben, aramed imitom, rom ar

SeiZleba xelis mokideba. saqme isaa, rom

yvelafris da yvelgan Txra dauSvebelia,

vinaidan es Zalze arasasurvel, damangreveli

Sedegebis mqone bunebriv kataklizmebs gamoiwvevs.

garda amisa, bolos da bolos,

arqtikis bunebrivi wiaRiseuli aris erTgvari

oqros maragi dedamiwisTvis, romelic

unda Seinaxos msofliom. rac Seexeba Cine-

Tis arqtikaSi Tavis damkvidrebas, es ar

moxdeba.

sxvaTa Soris, aqve minda aRvniSno, rom

CineTSi bunebis mZlavri dartymebis garda,

virusebis gavrcelebasac vxedav. es Zalze

saSiSi virusebia, romlebic iqaur mosaxleobas

lamis gaanaxevrebs.

_ mokled, CineTs namdvilad arasaxarbielo

periodebi ewyeba. Tqvens mier

zemoT naTqvams erTvis isic, rom amerikis

SeerTebuli Statebi garkveul RonisZiebebs

atarebs am saxelmwifos Sesasusteblad.

es TiTqos fardis miRma xdeba,

magram informacia mainc Jonavs xan

nebsiT, xanac uneblieT, da msoflio

sazogadoeba xvdeba, rom am or qveyanas

Soris yvelaferi dalagebuli ver

aris (unda aRvniSno, rom am Temas

Tqven araerTi Canaweri miuZRveniT warsulSi).

ase magaliTad, amaswinaT, aSSma

CineTi CrdiloeT koreis saraketo

teqnologiebiT momaragebaSi daadana-

Saula. ramdenad Seesabameba simarTles

es faqti?

_ es sruli simarTlea. CineTi mxolod

koreas ki ara, sxva qveynebsac amaragebs

samxedro teqnologiebiT. hoda, rom aafrina

koream `Cinurad awyobili~ raketa, imitomac

gafrinda isic `warmatebiT!~

_ da kidev meore magaliTi imisa,

rom CineTi da aSS raRac sakiTxebSi

veRar rigdebian. yviTel zRvaSi er-

Toblivi rusul-Cinuri samxedro wvrTnebis

paralelurad, samxreT CineTis

zRvaSi aSS-filipinebis erToblivi

samxedro wvrTnebi gaimarTa. pekinma mtkivneulad

aRiqva es faqti da oficialurad

gaafrTxila vaSingtoni, rom

wvrTnebis raionSi sabrZolo Setakebis

safrTxeebi arsebobs.

_ CineTis am gancxadebam amerikas Rimili

mohgvara. CineTs ratomRac didi warmodgena

aqvs sakuTar Tavze, hgonia, rom zesaxelmwifoa

da cdilobs, daimkvidros kidec aseT-

Ta Soris adgili. ra adgilic ukavia CineTs

msoflios qveynebs Soris, is ar akmayofilebs.

mosaxleobis raodenobiT zomaven

da sazRvraven yvelafers da aviwydebaT,

rom dRevandel omSi jariskacebisa da tankebis

raodenoba, praqtikulad, arafers niSnavs.

adamianebis yuradReba ar aris mimarTuli

baqteorologiuri omisken. arada, RmerTma

yvela daifaros, magram erTi pencilinis

ampula siTxe rom moasxa Suagul CineTSi

(da amgvari qimiuri iaraRi arsebobs), erTi

kaci ar iqneba meore dRes cocxali. aseTi

safrTxe mxolod CineTisTvis ki ar arsebobs,

aramed yvela sxva dabalganviTarebuli

saxelmwifoebisTvisac.

amitom yvelam yuri gamoiferTxos. roca

romelime saxelmwifo amgvar nabijze midis,

mniSvneloba aRar aqvs, rom saerTaSoriso

konvenciebi irRveva. amas ukve hqvia brZola

wesebis gareSe.

ki, batono, CineTma raRacas miaRwia imiT,

rom gaxda iafi muSaxelisa da iafi saqonlis

baza msofliosTvis, magram es imas ar

niSnavs, rom is amerikasa da evropis wamyvan

qveynebze magaria.

_ qalbatono lela, eqspertebi varaudoben,

rom evros krizisi, garda imisa,

rom politikuri sistemis kriziss gamoiwvevs,

aseve ganapirobebs sxvadasxva

qveynebis bankebis `kaskadis~ principiT

CamoSlas. TqvenTan minda gadavamowmo,

ramdenad realuria eqspertTa es varaudi

da romel qveynebs Seexeba igi

gansakuTrebulad?

_ ekonomikuri krizisebi grZeldeba da

igi Seexeba yvela sust qveyanas. aq araviTari

mniSvneloba ar aqvs imas, aris Tu

ara es qveyana evrozonis wevri. xazgasmiT

minda aRvniSno, rom dRes ar SeiZleba evrozonis

daSla. es momavalSi moxdeba, roca

saxelmwifoebi mzad iqnebian, kvlav sakuTari

valuta hqondeT, rogorc warsulSi. es nebayoflobiTi

procesi iqneba da msoflioc

normalurad, mSvidad gadaitans evrozonis

rRvevas, rac ukve nawinaswarmetyvelebic maqvs

ramdenime wlis win. amiT imis Tqma msurs,

rom jerjerobiT moaxerxeben evrozonis SenarCunebas,

magram momavalSi saerTo evropuli

valuta mainc gauqmdeba.

(GAGgagrZeleba gv.10)

mTavari redaqtori: irma gelaSvili

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kosmosSi kosmosSi kosmosSi dro dro dro ar ar ar arsebobs!

arsebobs!

arsebobs!

`winaswarmetyvelebam ar icis Svili da qmari, axlobeli da

megobari. Cven vambobT imas, rasac vxedavT da gveubnebian...

miiReT ise, rogorc vwinaswarmetyveleb!~

2012 weli, 29 marti, Tbilisi.

vxedav axali modelebis TviTmfrinavebs

da katastrofebic Sewydeba. saqme isaa, rom

buneba icvleba aramxolod miwaze, aramed

haerSic. diax, atmosferuli cvlilebebi

adamianebs bevr problemebs Seuqmnis, Tu

mecnierebi ar CaerTvnen saqmeSi. vxedav, didi

samuSaoebi Catardeba, mTeli msoflio miiRebs

monawileobas. vxedav, rom es axali

modelis TviTmfrinavebi zustad is aris,

rac adamianebs sWirdebaT _ usafrTxo da

saimedo! vxedav, xalxs aRar eSinia sahaero

mgzavrobisa. aseve Seicvleba zRvebsa da

okeaneebSi mcuravi xomaldebic _ ase advilad

ar amoyiravdebian, arc Sejaxebis

Sedegad daiSlebian.

mokled, mecnierebis mier SemuSavebuli

siaxleebi dedamiwaze yvelafers

Secvlis. gansakuTrebiT

sacxovrebel saxlebsa da sxva Senoba-nagebobebze

maxvildeba yuradReba.

anu Senobebi ise aigeba,

rom rva Tu cxra baliani miwisZvrebi

verafers daaklebs!

gamoyenebuli iqneba mecnierulad miRebuli

samSeneblo masalebi da bevri sxva ram.

Sesabamisad, aseve icvleba arqiteqturac. adamianebs,

vxedav, ar eSiniaT frenis, zRviT

mgzavrobisa da a.S. es Zalian mniSvnelovani

xedvaa.

vxedav aseve, rom TviTmfrinavebs para-

Sutebs moargeben _ es sul sxvanairi para-

Sutebia _ da amiT TiToeul mgzavrs asi

procentiT garantirebuli eqneba sicocxle!

bevri ram Seicvleba, adamianebo, ise, verc

ki warmoidgenT.

iaponiis kunZulebi, vxedav, momavalSi kvlav

iryeva, magram mova dro, roca es

ryevebi _ miwisZvrebi _ SeCerdeba. es

aucileblad ase moxdeba da daisvenebs mTeli

iaponia!

bunebis cvla warmoSobs axal kun-

Zulebs. gamoCndebian axali qristefore

kolumbebi da sxvani, romlebic

aRmoaCenen am ukacriel

kunZulebs.

daiwyeba axali qveynebis aRmoceneba da

ra Tqma unda, am yvelafers wamyvani qveynebi

ganageben. isini iqnebian mmarTvelebi! sainteresoa,

ara? icodeT, es yvelaferi aimarTlea.

amin!

2012 weli, 5 aprili, Tbilisi.

korea

adre viwinaswarmetyvele, rom CrdiloeT

da samxreT korea gaerTiandeba da es yovelive

asi procentiT asruldeba. gaerTianebuli

korea ki gadaiqceva erTian, mTlian,

Zlier saxelmwifod _ Tavisufal saxelmwifod.

vxedav, iq amerikuli da rusuli zegavlena

Zalzed Sesustebuli iqneba. politika

`dayavi da ibatone~ im droisTvis

aRar iarsebebs, xolo amerika da ruseTi ki

am politikur TamaSSi wamgebian poziciaSi

dadgebian. koreis gaerTianebul saxelmwifos,

vxedav, sul sxva gegmebi aqvs. amerika

zewolebs Seasustebs da gaatarebs Zalian

rbil politikas, Tumca es TamaSi didxans

ar gagrZeldeba. icvleba koreis mTavroba.

modis xalxi, romelic kvlav amerikul politikas

gaatarebs. didi politikuri omi iqneba

ruseT-amerikas Soris, magram ruseTi am

oms waagebs. vimeoreb: ruseTi kargavs koreaSi

Tavis gavlenas. amas Tavisi mizezi]

aqvs. ruseTis mTavroba dakavebulia saku-

Tari SidaproblemebiT. sabWoTa kavSiris Seqmnis

sakiTxi, rac dRes mTavari sakiTxia

ruseTisTvis, vxedav, Zalian did problemebs

uqmnis TviTon rus xalxs! mokled, msoflio

momavalSi ganicdis did politikur kriziss!

wamyvan qveynebs ukve uWirT momavalSi.

aRmosavleTSi ki omebi ar wydeba. frTxilad,

islami imarjvebs! Tumca islamuri

saxelmwifoebi msoflio politikas veranairad

ver Seewyobian da aqedan iwyeba zustad

am qveynebis ubedurebebi.

aRar vlaparakob im kanonebze, rasac

am qveynebis mTavrobebi isev SemoiReben

_ anu gauqmebul islamur

kanonebze _ da vxedav, zustad es

iqneba momavalSi sababi islamis[I2]

damxobisa.

vxedav, didi omebi gaCaRdeba. isini erTmaneTs

daerevian da maT TviTon xalxi uaryofs.

es ki amerikas saSualebas aZlevs, Caerios

da daareguliros maTi politika, anu

ganaxorcielos sakuTari gegmebi, rac amerikis

politikis gamarjvebiT damTavrdeba.

2012 weli, 17 aprili, Tbilisi.

siria

siriaSi omi jer ar damTavrdeba. iqauri

opozicia ver gaerTiandeba, rogorc ar

unda ecadon. opozicias, gaerTianebaSi

simravle uSlis xels! arabTa ligis didi

mcdeloba, rom siriaSi omebi morCes, Sedegs

mainc ver gamoiRebs! vxedav, siriis prezidents

amerika mxars uWers, xolo kofi

ananis mier wardgenili gegmis Sesruleba

Zalian gauWirdeba siriis daqsaqsul opozicias.

omebi mainc gagrZeldeba iqamde, sanam

amerika namdvilad ar SeaCerebs maT.

arabeTSi Zlier miwisZvras vxedav.

caTambjenebi ingreva da yvelaferi

udabnos emsgavseba. asea, udabno

ibrunebs Tavis saxes.

mokled, momavali Zalze rTulia da damangreveli

saudis arabeTisTvis. vxedav, momavalSi

gerTianebuli emiratebi daSlis pirzea

da daiSleba kidec. iqneba didi politikuri

ryevebi. liderebi aRar arian da iqneba

didi ganukiTxaoba. sainteresoa, ara??? asea,

oqro, brilianti da didi simdidre ver

iqneba kargi mrCeveli, kargi politikosi.

amasTan, bunebac ukan ibrunebs imas, rac

misia. diax, udabno Tavis adgils ubrundeba.

amaSi eWvi aravis SegeparoT! rasac TesavT,

imas imkiT.

vxedav, arabebsa da irans Soris patara

omi iqneba da es, ra Tqma unda, miwebs

Seexeba, anu kunZulebs, romlebsac ver iyofen.

warsulSic awarmoebdnen politikur

molaparakebebs, magram amas aranairi nayofi

ar moutania. kvlavac ase iqneba! vercerTi

ver SeierTebs am kunZulebs!

vxedav, kosmosi maT omebis qveynebs

uwodebs, sadac simSvide arasdros

iqneba! aseTia aRmosavleTis

qveynebis bedi, aseve muslimebisac!

didi ruseTi bolomde xels arasdros

Seuwyobs maT, arasdros! ruseTi mxolod

da mxolod saTaviso politikas TamaSobs

da arcerT procents mopirdapire mxares!

frTxilad, muslimebo!

lela kakulia

2012 weli, 22 aprili, Tbilisi.

adrec viwinaswarmetyvele, rom azerbaijansa

da irans Soris ar aris dalagebuli urTierTobebi,

rom irani momavalSi azerbaijans

SeierTebs. is, rasac axla azerbaijanis mTavroba

acxadebs, rom verc nato da verc veravin

sxva ver gamoiyenebs azerbaijans placdarmad

iranis winaaRmdeg, sicruea.

vxedav, arc aravin SeekiTxeba maT,

ise Seiyvanen natoc da ruseTic

teqnikas maT teritoriaze _ Tanac

swrafad _ da did dartymas miayeneben

irans.

sxvaTa Soris, mSvenieri placdarmi aqvs

ruseTs somxeTSi da masac gamoiyeneben natoc

da ruseTic iranis winaaRmdeg brZolaSi.

saqarTvelo ki _ es aris oqros

maragi, romelic placdarmad gamoiyeneba

ukidures SemTxvevaSi,

vinaidan, rogorc 1992 wlis 18 dekembris

winaswarmetyvelebaSi vwer, saqarTvelos

sazRvrebze idgmeba zemZlavri saidumlo

iaraRi, Rilaks rom daaWiro TiTi,

mTel aRmosavleTs gadawvavs. iq garkveviT

miweria: `SiSi! ai, ra icavs saqarTvelos!~

anu, muslimanebma kargad ician, ra iaraRi

icavs saqarTvelos.

momavalSi ki ruseTs ukve awyobs Zlieri

saqarTvelo, vinaidan kavkasia _ es aris

saqarTvelo da swored igia #1 wamyvani im

patar-patara saxelmwifoebs Soris, romlebic

kavkasiaSia ganlagebuli. ruseTs saqarTvelos

gareSe Zalze gauWirdeba kavkasiel

xalxebTan urTierTobebi.

rac Seexeba ruseTsa da azerbaijans Soris

arsebul SeuTanxmeblobas radiolokatorTan

dakavSirebiT, vxedav, rom ruseTisTvis arc

es aris problema. azerbaijani, roca saqme

saqmeze midgeba, niRabs ixsnis da namdvil

saxes aCvenebs ruseTs. damTbari urTierTobebi

arasdros hqoniaT yarabaRis gamo. rusebis

daxmareba somxebis mimarT aris kidev erTi

faqtori azerbaijanis undoblobisa da roca

SeZleben, yovelTvis daaWeren fexs. amitom,

ratom naxevar miliard dolars ar mosTxoven

radiolokatoris safasurad, rom?!

aq TurqeTis sakiTxic dgas. gana mas

esiamovneba, rom Tavis teritoriaze mdebare

araratis mTaze, rogorc somxebi sTavazoben

rusebs, lokatori dauyenon? Tanac ararati

ar akmayofiles im moTxovnebs, rac radiolokators

sWirdeba. ase rom, am sakiTxze

didi politikuri azrTa gacvlebi da muSaoba

iqneba da bolos vxedav, rogorc yovelTvis,

ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministri televiziiT,

msubuqad rom vTqvaT, dedas aginebs

azerbaijans, rogorc sCvevia. Zalian kargad

vxedav amas.

magram imasac vxedav, rom ruseTis

uzarmazar teritoriaze Tavisuflad

SeiZleba ganlagdes es radiolokatori.

magaliTad, uralis mTebSi,

romlebic TiTqos Seswavlili aqvT,

magram ara bolomde. alternatiul

gzas radiolokatoris gansaTavseblad

zustad aq naxuloben.

saerTo jamSi, didi usiamovnebebi eqnebaT

azerbaijansa da ruseTs. ruseTic ar endoboda

azerbaijans arasdros da arc momavalSi

endoba. ise, vxedav, sasomxeTs kidev

ufro ar endoba. omebi mainc iqneba da amas

veraviTari Zala ver SeaCerebs.

rac Seexeba putinis kvlav mosvlas, warsulSi

uamravi ram viwinaswarmetyvele amasTan

4


dakavSirebiT. vxedav, rom amerikas putinis

danaxvac ar unda, magram ruseTi, miuxedavad

imisa, rom ssrk daiSala, mainc zesaxelmwifoa

da omi masTan Zalze saSiSia. amitom

aSS-s urCevnia, diplomatiurad gaarCios masTan

urTierTobebi, magaliTad, kavkasiasTan mimarTebaSi,

romelic umniSvnelovanes politikur

nawilad gadaiqceva momavalSi da amisTvis

ruseTi da amerika ivaWreben. sxvaTa Soris,

arabeTSi Zlier miwisZvras vxedav. caTambjenebi

ingreva da yvelaferi udabnos emsgavseba. udabno

ibrunebs Tavis saxes.

dRes es vaWroba ukve Zalian aqtiur

fazaSia _ gansakuTrebiT,

saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi. uamravjer

maqvs naTqvami, rom amerika

ar daTmobs saqarTvelos. ruseTic

fiqrobs, rom ar daTmos

saqarTvelo, magram igi sustdeba

CrdiloeT kavkasiis saxelmwifoebTan

brZolebSi, sadac did Zalebs

xarjaven. mxolod daRestani rad

Rirs?! rac iq realurad xdeba,

imas ar axmovaneben.

CrdiloeT kavkasiaSi

Zlieri, radikali muslimebi

ikideben fexs bolomde. es

Zalian saSiSia ruseTisTvis

da ara saqarTvelosTvis.

daRestans mihyveba afxazebisa

da osebis omic da

aq saqarTvelo ibrunebs

Tavis miwebs _ ruseTi Tavisi xeliT

gvibrunebs. es 20 wlis win

viwinaswarmetyvele.

amwuTSi vxedav, rom afxazebi Riad gamoTqvamen

did survils saqarTvelos mTavrobasTan

molaparakebis Taobaze. afxazi xalxis moTxovna

aiZulebs maT mTavrobas, wavidnen molaparakebaze,

raTa dabrundnen saqarTvelos

SemadgenlobaSi. Tumca, isini arc arsad

wasulan _ es isedac saqarTvelos miwaa.

rusuli politika did kraxs ganicdis afxazeTsa

da samaCabloSi. aqac amerikis Carevas

vxedav, rac didad Seuwyobs xels am rTul

politikur TamaSs ruseTTan. ese igi, aris

molaparakebebi teritoriebis dabrunebaze. samagieros,

rasac amerikisgan Rebulobs ruse-

Ti, es iqneba evropasTan dakavSirebiT.

is kiTxva, romelic ismis, gaatarebs Tu

ara ruseTi saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi saqarTvelos

teritoriaze sakuTar samxedro nawilebs

somxeTSi arsebuli bazisken, vpasuxob: es

mxolod amerikasTan SeTanxmebiT moxdeba.

indoeTis mier kontinentTSorisi raketebis

gamocda CrdiloeT koreasTan SedarebiT

imitom ar aris saSiSi, rom ase awyobT

politikosebs.

Tanac, isini mainc ver Seqmnian

srulyofil raketebs, amis saSualebas

amerikelebi ar miscemen,

romlebsac jeims bondebiT aqvT

iqauroba savse da iseT detals

moSlian, Tu dasWirdaT, rom yvelafers

aafeTqeben.

ruseTis prezidentisa da CineTis urTierTobebi

ar daTbeba da did politikur

sirTuleebs vxedav momavalSi. ratom? imitom,

rom putins arCeuli aqvs omis politika:

`ratom veferoT? ra dros diplomatiaa?

rusulma daTvma Tavisi Zala unda anaxos!~

ruseTis prezidenti arcerT SemTxvevaSi ar

dauTmobs CineTs.

CineTis SeiaraReba kidev ufro SeaSfoTebs

aramxolod ruseTsa da amerikas, aramed mTel

msoflios. aris iseTi iaraRi _ raketebi

Tu sxva ram, rac ar unda hqondeT Cinelebs.

zustad iseve Seedavebian maTac, rogorc axla

irans edavebian da bevr kiTxvaze mosTxoven

pasuxebs amerika, ruseTi da evropa Cinelebs.

sxvaTa Soris, es Tema saerTaSoriso organizaciebis

ganxilvis sagnadac iqceva.

CineTi erTs ki wamoiwevs, TiTqos

winaaRmdegobas gauwevs maT, magram

maleve mixvdeba, rom es Zalze

seriozuli sakiTxia da Tavis gadasarCenad

bevr daTmobaze wasvla

mouwevs _ CineTs mouwevs iaraRis

ganadgureba.

da saerTod, omebi, vxedav, warmoebs raketebiT,

cocxali Zala aRar sWirdebaT.

amas me warsulSi `wiTeli Rilakebis omi~

davarqvi.

ruseTs, adrec aRvniSne, rom arc jari

hyavs da ukve didi xania, rac axal teqnologiebsac

veRar anviTarebs. is mTlianad

dakavebuli iyo daSlis procesiT. ssrk-s

daSlam, ra Tqma unda, maTi ekonomikac

daangria da samxedro Zalebic Seasusta.

gasakviri sulac ar aris, rom ruseTs is

simaRle aRar ukavia, rac sabWoeTis arsebobisas

hqonda.

ruseTi dRes, vxedav, verafers axals

ver qmnis samxedro iaraRis mimarTulebiT,

magram msoflios Tavs

ise aCvenebs, TiTqos ukve Seqm-

nilic aqvs da kidec qmnis axal

zemZlavr iaraRs.

rac Seexeba ulianovskSi, anu ruseTis

teritoriaze natos bazis ganTavsebas, vxedav,

rom es sworedac samxedro bazaa da

ara avRaneTSi gasagzavni tvirTebis satranzito

baza. kremli momavalSi, surs Tu ara,

Secvlis Tavis damokidebulebas, vinaidan dapirispirebam

amerikasTan Tu evropasTan araviTari

sasikeTo Sede-

gi ar gamoiRo da

rusuli politika

uaryofiTad warmar-

Ta. ruseTis warmomadgeneli natoSi ver

marTavda movlenebs da rTul mdgomareobaSi

ayenebda sakuTar qveyanas. amitom pirveli,

rasac ruseTis prezidenti gaakeTebs, is aris,

rom gamocvlis Tavis `uxerxemlo~ warmomadgenels

_ ase Tavad prezidenti uwodebs _

da Tanamdebobaze iniSneba pirovneba, romelic

natosa da ruseTis urTierTobebis normalizaciasa

da daTbobaze imuSavebs. ki ar

iomebs, aramed imuSavebs! igi namdvilad warmatebuli

diplomatia, Wkvianicaa da Tavis

winamorbeds ar hgavs. vxedav, ar rekavs da

ar ekiTxeba kremls, rogor moiqces amaTuim

situaciaSi. natoSi ruseTis axali warmomadgeneli

Tavis politikas gaatarebs da

did mowonebasac daimsaxurebs. sxvaTa Soris,

sxva bevri ministric gamoicvleba ruseTSi

da uamravi axali elCic eyolebaT.

aRsaniSnavia, rom ruseTs gadakopirebuli

aqvs qarTuli demokratiuli reformebi, zed

Tavisasac amateben da ai aq ki stop! `didi

ruseTis~ mosaxleoba ver gauZlebs am zewolebsa

da reformebs da gareT gamovardeba.

sxvaTa Soris, zogierTma Wkvianma opozicionerma

kargad icis

rusuli fsiqologia...

unda aRvniSno (da es

adrec vTqvi), rom iseTi

sirTuleebi iqneba ruseT-

Si, rom ucxoelebigaiqcevian

iqidan.

vxedav, moskovSi

CeCnuri

dajgufebebi

hyavT Seyvanili:

samxedroebic da

policielebic

(esec ukve naTqvami

maqvs). saer-

Tod rusebs

garda CeCnebisa,

kazakebic hyavT,

yabardoelebic

da sxvebic, magram

amas ar axmovaneben...

rac SeexebaT

muhajirebs, Sei-

Zleba ori kaci

Camovides afxazeTSi,

magram

isinic ukan

gaiqcevian. namdvilad

ar agulavebs

ruseTi

maT afxazeTSi!

miT umetes,

rom es saqarTvelos

teritoriaa da iq mxolod qarTvelebi

icxovreben _ aseve afxazebic!

isev da isev minda aRvniSno, rom am

uzarmazar msoflio politikaSi, romelic

aRelvebul zRvas hgavs, patara saqarTvelo

gadarCeba!

nu geSiniaT, Cemo qarTvelebo! Cven

kosmosis uzarmazari energia gvicavs! Cven

yovelTvis viyaviT da viqnebiT! icodeT,

is, rac qarTul politikaSi xdeba,

adamianis nebiT ar xdeba, yvelaferi

kosmosidan modis da isev igives vxedav,

rom saqarTvelo aris damoukidebeli,

namdvilad demokratiuli saxelmwifo, gaer-

Tianebuli teritoriebiT. vxedav natoSi

Sesvlas asi procentiT. mTavari isaa,

rom Cven gadavrCebiT, xolo politikosebi

midian, mere ki isev modian; mTavari

isaa, rom Cems samSoblosa da Cems

qarTvelebs am uzarmazar politikur

okeaneSi curva ar uWirT. Cven viyaviT,

varT da viqnebiT!

* *ramdenime wlis win wamovida kosmosidan

aseTi fraza: `me davdumdebi!~ magram gamomdinare

Cemi xasiaTidan, ra Tqma unda, ar

davemorCile, ase vTqvaT, kosmosis brZanebas

da ganvagrZob winaswarmetyvelebis

gamoqveynebas. ise, ki maqvs kaxuri sijiute,

guruli sificxe da megruli sibrZne. ai

es xasiaTi didad uwyobs xels Cems brZolas

am dadumebasTan. namdvilad ver Seveguebi,

rom amxela informacia, romelic modis

kosmosidan da rasac wlebis manZilze vwer,

ar ganvacxado da davdumde! ratom unda

gavaxaro saqarTvelos mteri Sadimanebi?! Tanac,

vici, rom erTaderTi, vinc simarTles ambobs

mTel msoflioSi, me var.

sasacilo isaa, rom is xalxi, vinc

viTom bevri rame icis politikasa

da mis analizSi da amiT Tavi

moaqvT, isini arian dadumebulebi!

me ki Cemi xalxisTvis vwinaswarmetyveleb.

Cemi qarTveli rom iRebs xelSi am gazeTs

da kiTxulobs, es did rames niSnavs mis-

Tvis. is amiT mSviddeba, vinaidan icis, rom

yvela sityva asruldeba.

Sadimanebo, qarTul politikaSi cudad

nu afaTurebT xelebs, Torem...

Zalian bevr rames vxedav, rac saqarTveloSi

xdeba, magram erTs vityvi mxolod:

Cemo qarTvelebo, nurafris geSiniaT!

garkveviT vxedav, rogor sdis RvTismSobels

TvalTagan sixarulis cremli!!!

Zalian bevr rames vxedav, magram axla ar vwer!

* *ruseTis mcdeloba, daasufTavos CrdiloeT

kavkasia da daasaxlos iq rusebi, vxedav,

srul nayofs ver gamoiRebs. sakuTari miwebi

aqvT carieli da arc aravis surs

icxovros im feTqebad muslimur saxelmwifoebSi,

sadac sxva ers ar gaaxareben! es ase

iqneba momavalSi.

minda aRvniSno, rom afxazeTsa da sama-

CabloSic araferi gamouvaT rusebs. es asea

asi procentiT.

*bunebaSi *

isev didi cvlilebebia. saqarTvelo-

Si, rogorc yovelTvis, wyaldidobebi, patar-patara

mewyerebi da meti araferi damangreveli.

* *ruseTSi, faqtobrivad, putinia prezidenti,

magram Sav saqmes, rasac moaswrebs,

medvedevs akeTebinebs, anu misi xeliT iSorebs

gubernatorebsa da sxva arasasurvel xalxs.

putins arCeuli aqvs omis politika: `ratom

veferoT? ra dros diplomatiaa? rusulma daTvma

Tavisi Zala unda anaxos!~

Tumca, mniSvnelovan politikur gadawyvetilebebs

putini Rebulobda warsulSic

da axlac is Rebulobs.

amerikis mzardi yuradRebis sagani

dRes aris kavkasia da gansakuTrebiT,

saqarTvelo. arafers vambob israelze.

tyuilia gancxadeba, TiTqos es ase

araa. es yuradRebis gadatana da

xalxis motyuebis mcdelobaa. amaze

uamravi winaswarmetyveleba arsebobs.

amerika-ruseTs Soris didi uTanxmoeba

iyo saqarTvelos gamo. gamwarebulma

ruseTma omic ki wamoiwyo.

aRsaniSnavia, rom dolaris gaqroba

aravis awyobs dRes da es arc

moxdeba. SeiZleba jibrze iTqvas, raRac

politikuri TamaSi wamoiwyon, magram

es tyuilia!

minda vTqva: ivaniSvilis mxardamWeri

partiebis gundi, romlebic saparlamento

arCevnebis Semdeg parlamentSi

movlen, ar aris erTiani.

isini verc aqamde eguebodnen erTmaneTs

da verc momavalSi Seeguebian.

maTTvis mTavaria, Tavi Seyon

parlamentSi da mere yvela saku-

Tar TamaSs daiwyebs.

maT xelSi uvardebaT sadaveebi,

anu parlamentaroba, rac xel-fexs uxsniT,

raTa didi politikis TamaSi daiwyon

amerikasTan, evropasa da ruseTTan. moaZlieron

sakuTari partiebi _ ai maTi mTavari

gegma! miliardeli ki am politikuri

TamaSebis saTavisod gamoyenebas fiqrobs

da jerjerobiT axerxebs kidec. sxvaTa

Soris, es opoziciuri partiebic ase

fiqroben. maT erTmaneTi sWirdebaT, Zala

xom erTobaSia, xolo maTi erTaderTi gamaerTianebeli

ki milioneria. hoda, aseTi

`erTiani gundi~ droebiTi rom aris, Tvi-

Tonac ician.

(GAGgagrZelebaELEBA Semdeg nomAerSi)

5


arqivi

lela kakulia: ‘saqarTvelos

Tavze daviT aRmaSeneblis

Zala ikribeba!~

(gagrZeleba. dasawyisi `lamazi qali~ #7)

miuxedavad imisa, rom dRes Cven unda dagvemTavrebina saubari saqveynod

cnobil qarTvel naTelmxilvelTan, qalbaton lela kakuliasTan,

gadavwyviteT kidev erTxel SevxvedrodiT mas da migvemarTa kidec

ramdenime kiTxviT. maTze gacemul pasuxebsa da qalbatoni lelas axal

xilvebs Cveni Jurnalis momaval nomerSi gaecnobiT.

_ qalbatono lela, rodidan daiwyeT

piligrimoba da apirebT Tu ara

saqarTvelos garda, sxva qveynebis wmida

adgilebis molocvas?

_ erTi mxriv, cudia, rom yvelafers

vxedav. sul vambobdi, rom TviTmfrinavebis

Camovardnas vxedav-meTqi da vardeba kidec.

frena saSinlad ar miyvars. TurqeTSic mepatiJebian,

israelSic, magram jerjerobiT

ver mivdivar. unda wavide manqaniT, magram

iq xom omia. me vici, rom iq mainc movxvdebi.

yvelafers Tavisi dro aqvs. saqarTvelo

ki TiTqmis mTlianad Semoviare. me vawarmoeb

dRiurs, Tu sad da rodis viyavi,

romel taZarSi. wesad maqvs, rom yovel

kvira dRes Cavide gelaTSi. ar vacden arcerT

kvira dRes.

_ ratom maincdamainc gelaTSi?

_ miyvars iq Casvla. vdgebi mefe davi-

Tis saflavze da SevTxov, droze aaJRarunos

Tavisi maxvili, raTa davibrunoT dakarguli

teritoriebi. iq Zalian kargad vgrZnob

Tavs. saqarTvelos Tavze daviTis Zala ikribeba.

mowameTaSic Sevivli xolme. iq wmida davi-

Tisa da konstantines wmida nawilebis qveS

gavZvrebi xolme. sxvaTa Soris, ZiriTadad

saqarTveloze vloculob, naklebad _ sak-

arqivi arqivi

mkiTxvelTa mkiTxvelTa sayuradRebod!

sayuradRebod!

`winaswarmetyvelebam ar icis qmari da Svili, axlobeli da

megobari. Cven vambobT imas, rasac vxedavT da gveubnebian...

miiReT miiReT ise, ise, rogorc rogorc vw vwinaswarmetyveleb!

vw inaswarmetyveleb!

inaswarmetyveleb!~

inaswarmetyveleb!

wesebis sruli dacviT, nimuSis mixedviT SeavseT winamdebare

anketa; miitaneT an gagzavneT igi daviT aRmaSeneblis

gamziris #44-Si mdebare qalaqis mTavar fostaSi (safosto

indeqsi 0102) boris quTaTelaZis saxelze, `mokiTxvamde~.

anketis Sevsebisas yuradReba gaamaxvileT Semdeg niuansebze:

aucilebelia miuTiToT namdvili (sapasporto) saxeli da

wlovaneba; erT anketaSi dasviT erTi konkretuli kiTxva,

romelic Seexeba Tqvens pirad cxovrebas da ara politikas

(SegiZliaT gamogzavnoT anketebis ganusazRvreli raodenoba,

mxolod axali nomrebidan amoWrili). zogadi

Sinaarsis SekiTxvebs (mag. `ra melis momavalSi?~) da

gaurkvevel, rTulad wasakiTx gzavnils pasuxi ar gaecema.

gaiTvaliswineT, fostis waReba moxdeba yoveli Tvis

15-20 ricxvisaTvis.

pasuxs miiRebT el-fostis meSveobiT misamarTze, romelsac

miuTiTebT anketaSi.

P.S. gTxovT ar gamogzavnoT anketis qseroaslebi

da kiTxvebi, romlebic dakavSirebulia Sav magiasTan.

aseT SekiTxvebs pasuxi ar gaecema. redaqcia

uTar Tavze. iq eklesiis kedlebi melaparakebian,

miyvars freskebis cqera, mamSvidebs

garemo.

sxvaTa Soris, quTaisi Zalian madlian adgilzea,

amitom me yovel kvira dRes Cavdivar

gelaTsa da mowameTaSi. me vici, rom quTaissa

da saerTod, saqarTveloSi (rogor Sei-

Zleba, quTaisi warmovidginoT saqarTvelos

gareSe?) simSvide, siwynare iqneba. es qalaqi

daibrunebs sakuTar saxes, funqcias, romelic,

marTalia, dResac ar daukargavs, magram axleburad,

Tavisuflad isunTqebs. iq imdeni eklesiaa

aSenebuli, rom dadebiT energetikul

velSi imyofeba mTlianad. marto daviTis

Zlieri suli icavs quTaiss da me am suls

vxedav, romelic dakargul teritoriebs dagvabrunebinebs.

quTaiselebi bednierebi arian,

rom cxovroben am adgilze, sadac amxela

energetikuli velia. vloculob xolme, Rmer-

To, quTaisi mudam Zlieri amyofe-meTqi. amiT

es eklesiebi da siwmindeebi daculi iqneba.

Tumca mTlianad quTaiss, mis quCebs ar vicnob,

radgan gelaTSi pirdapir samanqano gziT

mivdivar, RmerTi mexmareba, rom Cemi arcTu

kargi manqaniT uxifaTod Cavide iq.

aucileblad movivli azRvargareT arsebul

siwmideebsac. axla vwuwuneb, `jipi~

nimuSi:

saxeli: eka (ekaterine) asaki: 19 w.

var abiturienti. vabareb turizmis fakultetze.

SekiTxva:

movewyobi Tu ara umaRles saswavlebelSi?

saxeli: asaki:

SekiTxva:

saZiebeli sityva:

el-fosta (miuTiTeT garkveviT): ekaterine@yahoo.com

el-fosta:

minda-meTqi, rom kargad viaro (icinis). ra

Tqma unda, minda ruseTSi Casvlac. axla mas

sakuTari politika anadgurebs, magram mere

movlen azrze.

_ qalbatono lela, me vici, rom

Tqven nawyeni brZandebiT erT-erT

quTaisel Jurnalistze. ratom?

_ Cemma megobarma amiran sinauriZem miTxra,

interviu migicia gazeT `axali quTaisisTviso~

(Jurnalistis saxelsa da gvars Segnebulad

ar vasaxeleb. _ l.g.). me amaze ki ar

vbrazob, ubralod, ar msiamovnebs, radgan

araviTari interviu ar mimicia im qalbatonisTvis,

arc arasdros minaxavs. mewyina,

rom Cemi winaswarmetyvelebebis fragentebi

amoukrebia Cems ukiTxavad da uCvenebia

quTaiselebisTvis. kidev erTxel vambob, rom

Jurnalistebs ar vRebulob da interviuebs

ar vaZlev, amitom mesmis misi, magram mainc

araa lamazi. winaswarmetyveleba TamaSi ar

aris. xom ar unda adge da gadaakeT-gadmoakeTo

yvelaferi sensaciisTvis? me ar vurCevdi

amas aravis. ar SeiZleba aseTi TamaSi cecxlTan.

im Jurnalists vurCev, nu ganagrZobs

am saqmes. quTaisi Sors araa da ar icoda,

rom es gazeTi TbilisSi CamoaRwevda? miT

umetes, rom me quTaisSi xSirad davdivar.

_ raki quTaissa da imereTze Camovarda

saubari, baton Temur SaSaiSvilze

ra SegiZliaT TqvaT?

_ SaSiaSvili, sxvaTa Soris, niWieri kacia.

vimeoreb, Zalian niWieria, sityvisTvis

jibeSi rom ar Caiyofs xels, es Zalian

momwons. am kacs mwvane Suqi rom aunTon,

anu waexmaron da SeaCeron is berketebi,

romlebic mis winaaRmdeg muSaobs xolme,

Zalian didi momavali eqneboda. Tumca is

sakuTar Tavs mainc aCvenebs momavalSi. es

adamiani Zalian mousvenaria, romelic ver

Cerdeba. cota ambiciuric aris. minda vuTxra,

rom es ambiciuroba mas zogjer Zalian

mniSvnelovani saqmeebis gadawyvetaSi xels

uSlis. momavalSi kargi safexuri elis politikuri

xaziT. SaSiaSvili imereTis gubernatorobas

ver gamoekereba. dadebiTi cvla

aqvs. me mas TbilisSi vxedav sakmaod maRal

postze.

Zalian didi mniSvneloba aqvs, rogori

mosaubrea adamiani, rogor mogawvdis ama

Tu im sakiTxs. zogjer ise ulamazod mogawvdian

informacias, arc misi sikeTe ginda da

arc misi gageba. am kacma es yvelaferi icis,

sakmaod kargi politikuri skola aqvs gavlili

da sulac araa gasakviri is didi

simaRle, rasac vxedav!

_ qalbatono lela, is gaurkveveli

situacia, romelic Cvens irgvlivaa, ramden

xans gastans?

_ rogorc adre aRvniSne, ar SemiZlia

dro, TariRi viwinaswarmetyvelo, magram maqvs

winaswarmetyveleba, Tu rogori Zlieri qveyana

iqneba saqarTvelo.

lela kakulia

saZiebeli sityva:

kato

#65

6


2008 weli, 13 ivlisi.

ruseT-CineTis urTierTobebi ki ar far-

Tovdeba, rogorc es gamoCndeba xalxis

TvalSi, aramed ufro Sordeba da iZabeba.

2008 weli, 26 seqtemberi, Tbilisi.

ruseTsa da CineTs Soris mSvidobasa

da TanamSromlobas ver vxedav. maTi

urTierToba politikur sakiTxebSi ver

aewyoba. isini mosaCvenebladac ki ver

SeZleben urTierTobebs. maT Soris aris

raRac SeTanxmebebi, magram ruseTi Zalian

mcdar politikas gaatarebs CineTTan

dakavSirebiT da vxedav, waagebs am politikur

TamaSSi.

2009 weli, 8 ivnisi.

Zalian aereva ruseTs urTierTobebi

CineTTan! CineTi ar dauTmobs ruseTs –

maTTan urTierTobebis gawyvetac ar

adardebT! piriqiT, Cinelebs amiT xelfexi

exsnebaT da Zalian mniSvnelovan,

skandalur politikur gancxadebebs gaaxmovaneben.

2012 weli, 18 Tebervali.

aseve patara uTanxmoeba ruseTs CineT-

Tanac mouva. maTi momxre CineTi ormag

TamaSs iwyebs. maT, vxedav, aRar awyobT

ruseTis partnioroba. Tanac, es xom is

mZlavri qveyana aRaraa, rogoric iyo

warsulSi, roca ruseTs TxuTmeti respublika

edga gverdSi.

lela kakulia

mas Semdeg, rac 1964 wels CineTis komunisturi

partiis pirvelma Tavmjdomarem, mao

cze dunma ganacxada, rom sabWoTa kavSirSi

kapitalizmma gaimarjva, or saxelmwifos Soris

urTierTobebi, praqtikulad, srulad gawyda.

ramdenime welSi ki SeiaraRebuli sasazRvro

Setakebebic moxda kunZul damanskis siaxloves.

uerTierTobebis daTboba mxolo 25

wlis SemdegRa daiwyo, rodesac mixeil

gorbaCovi CineTis saxalxo respublikas

oficialuri vizitiT ewvia.

sabWoTa kavSiris daSlis Semdeg CineTsa

da ruseTis federacias Soris urTierTobebis

axali era daiwyo. ruseTi CineTisTvis

resursebis, iaraRis, samxedro teqnologiebis

wyarod da iafi saqonlis gasaRebis

bazrad iqca. maT Soris gaformda araerTi

xelSekruleba ekonomikur, kulturul Tu

samxedro TanamSromlobis sferoebSi.

ise Canda, rom es ori mezobeli samudamo

megobruli kavSiriT Seikra da maT urTier-

Tobebs safrTxe ar emuqreboda, magram yvelasaTvis

moulodnelad, mas Semdeg, rac

2012 wlis saprezidento arCevnebSi ruseTSi

kvlav vladimer putinma gaimarjva, CineTis

komunisturi partiis centralurma komitetma

mis mimarT eWvebi gamoTqva da oficialur

beWdviT mediaSi, kompartiis umTavres

gazeT `Jenmin JibaoSi~ ruseTis politikuri

kursi gaakritika. yvelasaTvis moulodnelad,

CineTma pirdapir `gadauara~ ruseTs da putinis

mesamed arCevasTan dakavSirebul safrTxeebze

alaparakda, rac udavod mravlismetyveli

faqtia.

statiaSi _ `ra unda akeTos putinma

axal da rTul ruseTSi~ _ avtorebi amtkiceben,

rom putins arCevnebis mogeba gauWirda.

Cinelebi amas rusi xalxis gazrdil ukmayofilebas

ukavSireben da amboben, rom 2008

wlis krizisma seriozuli dartyma miayena

ruseTs da ekonomikis simyife da arastabiluroba

gamoavlina. Sedegad, rogorc CineTSi

miaCniaT, ruseTi rTul mdgomreobaSi

Cavarda axla mis winaSe arcTu cota mZime

problema dgas.

principSi, Cinelebs axali amerika ar aRmouCeniaT,

magram putinis politikis pirdapirma

kritikam warmoSva kiTxva: ra dgas `Jenmin

JibaoSi~ gamoqveynebuli publikaciis ukan?

zogi eqsperti miiCnevs, rom es werili

partnioruli urTierTobis gadaxedvaze mianiSnebs.

magaliTad, Cinuri kulturis klubis

prezidenti irina golovina ambobs, rom Cinelebs

axasiaTebT partniorebis winaswar amoTxrili

ormosken wayvana: `isini iZulebuls xdian part-

rac rac ukve

ukve

niors, imoqmedos ise, rogorc maT Tavad

awyobT. raxan dRes Cinelebi ruseTze am

tonSi alaparakdnen, es imas niSnavs, rom maT

surT gviTxran: `biWebo, Tqven partniorebad

ar vargixarT. an ukeTesi pirobebi SemogvTavazeT

saTanamSromlod da mere Cven gadavwyvetT,

ramdenad gvaZlevs isini xels, Tu ara da

oTxiv kuTxiv gza xsnili gaqvT!~ saqme isaa,

rom CineTi dRiTidRe kargavs interess ruse-

Tisadmi. 2008 wels amerikelebma fiqaluri

gazis mopovebis teqnologia SeimuSaves, weliwadnaxevris

Semdeg ki CineTma gaimarjva kanadaSi

am saxeobis gazis mopovebis tenderSi.

axla ki sakuTar qveyanaSi iwyeben fiqaluri

gazis damuSavebas. Sesabamisad, Seecdebian ruseTs

fasi daawevinon miwodebul bunebriv airze...

CineTi ruseTs rogorc ekonomikur partniors,

rogorc sakuTari valdebulebebis

mqone qveyanas, ndobiT ar ekideba. is masSi

xedavs gamousadegar subieqts, romelmac ver

gamoiyena Tavisi SesaZleblobebi. mokled,

CineTis umaRlesi xelisuflebis eSelonebi

pativiscemiT ar ekidebian Cvens qveyanas~.

2012 wlis 5 aprils rusuli `gazpromis~

xelmZRvaneli aleqsei mileri vietnams ewvia

da xelSekruleba gaaforma vietnamis Self-

Si navTobisa da gazis mopovebis Taobaze,

romlis Tanaxmadac, kompania mopovebuli wiaRiseulis

49 procents miiRebs.

CineTis mTavroba friad gaanawyena amgvarma

gverdis avliT gaformebulma kontraqtma da

mkveTrad ganacxada, rom ruseTs jer kargad

unda efiqra, vin aris misTvis ufro metad

mniSvnelovani partniori msoflio arenaze.

rusuli saxelmwifo kompaniis, gazpromis

mier gaformebulma am axalma kontraqtma

mTel msoflios daanaxa, rom ruseTsa da

CineTs Soris urTierTobebi `raRac iseTi

veRar aris~. gazeTma `azia Taimsma~ mozrdili

analitikuri werili miuZRvna am Temas, romel-

Sic Zalze gasagebad aris Camoyalibebuli

ori saxelmwifos damokidebulebis axal fazaSi

gadasvlis mizezebi.

gTavazobT fragmentebs statiidan.

erTi kovzi kupri rusul-Cinuri Taflis kasrSi

m.k bhadrakumari

6 aprils gazpromis

mier gaJRerebuli

gancxadeba imis

Taobaze, rom kompaniam

minoritaruli

aqciebis paketi SeiZina

da vietnamis siaxloves

mdebare bunebrivi

airis sazRvao

sabadoebSi ori

proeqtis ganxorcielebaze

imuSavebs,

raRac Seqspiriseul

muxts atarebs.

ra Tqma unda, gazpromiseuli

garigeba

realurad putinis gadawyvetileba gaxlavT.

rogorc Cans, pekins moulodnelad mouWres

gza. CineTis sagareo saqmeTa saministros warmomadgenelma

liu vei minma gazpromis am nabijze

frTxili mosazreba gamoTqva: CineTi imedovnebda,

rom samxreT CineTis zRvis regionis miRma

mdebare saxelmwifoTa kompaniebi pativiscemiT

moekidebodnen da mxars dauWerdnen mxareTa

Zalisxmevas, moegvarebinaT yvela problema ormxrivi

molaparakebebis Sedegado.

axla pekins isRa darCenia, dafiqrebulma

uyuros, rogor daabotebs rusuli daTvi

samxreT CineTis zRvis mSfoTvare wylebSi da

imkiTxaos, kidev ra mohyveba amas? vietnamis

teritoriul wylebSi mdebare am ori dasamuSavebeli

blokis aReba `gazpromisTvis~ didi

mogebis momtani komerciuli garigebaa, magram

gazpromi saxelmwifo kompaniaa da bevri mas

ruseTis geopolitikur instrumentad miiCnevs.

Cinelebis mier gakeTebuli komentarebi mowmobs,

rom pekini eWviT epyroba moskovis ganzraxvebs.

ai, ras wers `global Taimsi~: vietnami

da filipinebi cdiloben, miiRon daxmareba

regions miRma mdebare qveynebisgan da amgvarad

ormxriv molaparakebebs mravalmxriv konfrontaciad

aqceven. CineTi ukiduresi sifrTxiliT

unda moekidos samxreT CineTis zRvis regionSi

nebismieri sxva zesaxelmwifos SeWras. ruseTma

ar unda gagzavnos araswori da orazrovani

signalebi am zRvasTan dakavSirebiT. es aramxolod

gaarTulebs CineTTan uTanxmoebis daregulirebas,

aramed gaaZlierebs kidec mis eWvebs

ruseTis realuri zraxvebisadmi, romlebic gazis

garegebis miRma imaleba.

amas garda, gazpromis amgvari garigeba

erTeul SemTxvevaTa rigs ar ganekuTvneba.

ruseTi mizanmimarTulad aRadgens vietnam-

Tan sabWoTa kavSirisdroindel urTierTobebs,

roca maT CineTisadmi saerTo siZulvili

akavSirebdaT. es gansakuTrebiT Sesam-

Cnevi gaxda mas Semdeg, rac vladimer putinma

Tavis vietnamel kolegas nguen Tan zungus

ganucxada, rom maT saxelmwifoebs Soris

ormxrivma urTierTobebma strategiuli mniSvneloba

SeiZina.

moZraoba aRmosavleTisken

moskovma 8 miliardi dolaris odenobis

sesxi gamoyo pirveli vietnamuri atomuri

eleqtrosadguris aSenebisTvis. ruseTi vietnamisTvis

Tanamedrove samxedro teqnikis yvelaze

mniSvnelovani mommaragebelia. maT mier

miwodebul SeiaraRebaSi Sedis xomaldsawinaaRmdego

frTosani raketa X-35, romelic

ar moZraobs bgeris siswrafiT, samxedrosazRvao

vertmfreni ka-27, mravalmizniani

gamanadgurebeli su-30, `gepargis~ klasisi

sameTvalyureo xomaldebi, saraketo katerebi

da sxv. yvelaferi es exmareba vietnams, Ria

daumorCilebloba gamoucxados CineTs.

ruseTis Tavdacvis ministrma anatoli serdiukovma

aRuTqva vietnams, rom moskovi maT

wyalqveSa navebis bazis aSenebaSic daexmareba,

xomaldSemkeTebeli qarxnisac da agreTve xelsac

Seuwyobs ruseTSi maSveli da damxmare xomaldebisa

da samxedro TviTmfrinavebis SeZenaSi.

moskovi imeds ar kargavs, rom is kvlav

miiRebs gasasvlels kamranis yureSi, sadac

sabWoeTisdroindeli samxedro baza mdebareobs.

Cinuri `global Taimsi~ wers: `mTeli es

TanamSromloba... scdeba ekonomikur interesebs

da ZiriTadad ukavSirdeba politikasa

da usafrTxoebaze zrunvas. swored es gaxlavT

ruseTis umTavresi mizani vietnamTan

strategiuli urTierTobebis gaRrmavebisas.

[ruseTisTvis ]samxreT CineTis zRvis mniSvneloba

mxolod sasargeblo wiaRiseulis mdidari

maragiT ki ar ganisazRvreba, aramed misi

strategiuli daniSnulebiTac, rameTu swored

iqiTaa mimarTuli perspeqtivaSi ruseTis strategiuli

mosazrebani. qveynis ekonomika aRdgenis

gzazea, samxedro reforma win miiwevs da

ruseTi aRmosavleTisken svlas iwyebs.

vietnami _ es placdarmia. vietnamis zurgsukan

mdgari ruseTi arsobrivad mcirediT

gansxvavdeba filipinebis zurgsukan mdgari

SeerTebuli Statebisgan, romelsac samxreT

CineTis zRvis xelSi Cagdeba swyuria~.

am werilis avtorebi winaswarmetyveleben,

rom ruseTis amgvari Sesevebi CineTis sasicocxlo

mniSvnelobis interesebis gaRizianebas

gamoiwvevs maSin, roca misi samxedro Zliereba

srulad aRdgeba. risi gakeTeba SeuZlia am

SemTxvevaSi CineTs? statiis avtorebi acxadeben:

`CineTma unda gazardos sakuTari Zala da

warmoqmnas rac SeiZleba meti saerTo interesi

ruseTTan. erovnuli Zliereba _ es gaxlavT

sawindari da umTavresi garantia pativiscemaze

damyarebuli urTierTobebisa. saerTo interesebis

CarCoebSi moqmedebisas ruseTi iZulebuli

gaxdeba sifrTxile gamoiCinos im gadawyvetilebebis

miRebisas, romlebic CineTs exeba~.

saRi azri gvkarnaxobs, rom ruseTi nerviulobs

CineTis gaZlierebasTan dakavSirebiT.

mas ar surs gaxdes am qveynis sanedleulo

danamati; mas aSfoTebs cimbirsa da Soreul

aRmosavleTSi arsebuli demografiuli disbalansi

da a.S. magram ra iTqmis im daucvelobis

SegrZnebasa da safrTxeebze, romelTac

CinelebSi azia-wynari okeanis regionSi ruseTis

poziciebis gaZliereba da amerika-ruseTs Soris

SesaZlo `guliTadi SeTanxmeba~ iwvevs?

amerikuli strategiuli sazogadoeba, magaliTad,

zbignev bJezinski amtkicebs, rom SeerTebuli

Statebi unda miesalmnon ruseTis dasavleTTan

daaxloebas da Tavis mxriv, Seasrulon

`regionuli gamawonasworeblisa da mSvidobismyofelis~

roli aziaSi. cota xnis win man

`forin efearsSi~ dawera: `sruliad SesaZlebelia

warmovidginoT dasavleTis bevrad ufro

masStaburi konfiguracia, romelic 2005 wels

gaCnda. momavali ramdenime aTwleulis ganmavlobaSi

ruseTs SeuZlia ganaxorcielos yovelmxrivi,

samarTlis normebze dafuZnebuli demokratiuli

transformacia evrokavSirisa da natos standartebis

sapirwoned... amis Semdeg rusebs Seu-

ZliaT daadgnen transatlantikur TanamegobrobasTan

integraciis gzas. magram manamde SesaZloa warmoiSvas

koleqtiuri interesebis mqone geopolitikuri

Tanamegobroba, romelSic Sevlen:

aSS, evropa (TurqeTis CaTvliT) da ruseTi~.

Stormi

aSS-sa da ruseTs Soris namdvili Tanxmoba

putinis prezidentobisas Zalze saeWvoa.

da mainc, CineTi SeSfoTebulia imiT, rom

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moxda

moxda

moskovuri elita atlantizmis ideebiT ganimsWvala.

rogorc bJezinskim ganacxada, `axla

2012 welia da ara 1970~ da dRes ruseTi da

amerika aRar arian mtrebi. dRes maTi kav-

Sirebi `Sereuli tipis urTierTobebis~ saxes

atarebs. es gaxlavT praqtikulobis, antagonizmisa

da gulgrilobis nazavi. maT

SeiZleba hqondeT politikuri uTanxmoebebi

siriisa Tu iranis sakiTxebis gamo, magram

maT aseve aqvT uamravi saerTo interesi

erovnuli usafrTxoebis sferodan, romelTa

ricxvSi, droTa ganmavlobaSi SesaZloa `ga-

Zlierebis gzaze mdgari CineTic~ Sevides.

ruseTis fsiqologias SemorCa `leqis msgavsi

ukmayofileba~. Tumca baraq obama amaze

muSaobas apirebs xelmeored arCevis SemTxvevaSi.

cota xnis win bevrma moismina, rogor

abarebda seulis samitze myofi amerikis

prezidenti ruseTis prezident medvedevs

vladimer putinTan, noembris arCevnebamde manevrirebisTvis

sivrce mWirdeba, mere ki raketsawinaaRmdego

Tavdacvisa da im sxva problemebiTac

SeiZleba davkavdeT, rac amerikulrusul

gadatvirTvaSi uTanxmoebebs iwvevso.

amis Semdeg moskovma marTlac uklo aSSsdami

kritikas raketsawinaaRmdego Tavdacvis

sistemebis gamo, samagierod kritika gaaZliera

CineTma. sagareo saqmeTa saministros

aziur saqmeTa departamentis generalurma

direqtorma lo CJaohueim ganacxada, rom

raketsawinaaRmdego TavdacviTi sistemebis

ganTavseba azia-wynari okeanis regionSi `negatiuri

Sedegebis matarebeli gaxdeba msoflio

Tu regionuli strategiuli stabilurobisTvis

da am regionis saxelmwifoTa

usafrTxoebis moTxovnaTa winaaRmdeg wava~.

Sesabamisad, gazpromis garigeba vietnamTan

pekinisTvis aris realuri SesaZlebloba saimisod,

rom Seamowmos, ras emsaxureba rusuli

zraxvebi. `global Taimsis~ saredaqcio

werilis saTauri zustad iWers momxdaris

arss: `putini samxreT CineTis zRvaSi Tavisi

strategiiT sabWoTa warsuls mimar-

Tavs~. statiis avtorebi sakmaod mkveTrad

amboben, rom ruseTis zraxvebi da qmedebebi

yuradRebas imsaxurebs. CineTma unda gaarkvios

ruseTis strategiuli Canafiqrebi samxreT

CineTis zRvasTan dakavSirebiT. sinamdvileSi

ruseTma gasul aTwleulebSi araerTxel

gamoavlina yuradReba am regionis mimarT

da aSkarad dainteresebulia misiT.

es statiebi Cinur presaSi CineTis saxalxo

respublikis sagareo saqmeTa ministris

moskovSi vizitis wina dRes gamoqveynda.

moskovSi ministri Tavis kolegas, sergei

lavrovs Sexvda da SeeZlo wamoewia sakiTxi

samxreT CineTis zRvaSi `gazpromis~ moRvaweobis

Taobaze. rac sainteresoa, CineTis

sagareo saqmeTa ministri imave dRes aSS-is

saxelmwifo mdivans, hilari klintonsac esaubra

telefoniT da ganucxada, rom Cine-

Ti mzad aris mWidrod iTanamSromlos

SeerTebul StatebTan siriis krizisis uswrafesad

gadaWris mimarTulebiT.

iqneb ministri ian czeCi siriasTan mimarTebaSi

kursis Secvlaze mianiSnebda? Znelia

gadaWriT Tqma. pekini riskavs, roca

siriis mimarT ruseTis pozicias uWers mxars.

amas garda, igi safrTxes uqmnis saku-

Tar kavSirebs sparseTis yureSi mdebare

navTobdolarebiT mdidar monarqiebTan. rogorc

Cans, amgvari enTuziazmi gaumarTlebeli gaxldaT

CineTisTvis, razec ruseT-CineTs Soris

`yovelmxrivi strategiuli partniorobisa da

TanamSromlobis~ fasads miRma atexili Stormebi

metyvelebs.

1994 weli, 8 ivnisi, dilis 10 saaTi.

gorbaCovs patara periodi aqvs arenaze

kvlav gamoCenisa.

2011 weli, 17 dekemberi, Tbilisi.

vxedav, am rTul viTarebaSi arenaze

Cndeba mixeil gorbaCovi _ adamiani,

romelmac sabWoTa kavSiri daSala, kaci,

romelmac berlinis kedeli daangria da

germania gaaerTiana. es kaci, vxedav, dRes

cdilobs, rom _ pirdapiri gagebiT _

ruseTs revolucia aacilos da irCevs

swor gzas, anu rusi xalxis gverdiT

dgeba. gorbaCovi mouwodebs mTavrobas,

rom gadadges, rom swori politika gaataron,

Tumca, TviTonve xvdeba, rom mainc

verafers gaagebinebs! isic kargad icis,

rom xalxi aRar daiSleba, rom male

ifeTqebs revolucia. gorbaCovma arCevani

gakeTa _ xalxis mxars iWers,

mTavrobas ki verafriT daexmareba! mixeil

gorbaCovi Zalian did rols Tama-

Sobs, magram ara mTavrobis sasargeblod.

* * *

*minda aRvniSno, rom [prezidentisa da

premieris] pirveli mteri mixeil gorba-

Covi iqneba. masac aevseba moTminebis fiala,

miTumetes, rom mTavroba sasikvdilo

dartymas ayenebs sakuTar xalxs, mTeli

sisastikiT uswordeba da aseve cdilobs,

aRadginos is wyobileba, romelic samudamod

daasamarebs did ruseTs, rus xalxs.

lela kakulia

`putins urCevnia, wavides politikidan!~ _

aseTi ram ganucxada sabWoTa kavSiris pirvelma

da ukanasknelma prezidentma, mixeil gorba-

Covma gasul wels gamocema `deili meils~,

roca ukve aSkara gaxda, rom vladimer vladimeris

Ze kvlav qveynis prezidentobas apirebda.

`man sakuTari Tavi amowura. mis adgilas

rom viyo, prezidentad kenWs aRar viyridi.

Tu xalxs yuradRebas ar miaqcev da imavdroulad

demokratiis imitacias moaxden, iseTi

mdgomareoba Seiqmneba, rogoric afrikaSia,

sadac liderebi saxelmwifoebs 20-30 weli

marTaven!~ _ ganmarta man interviuSi.

sul axlaxans ki cnobili gaxda, rom

mixeil gorbaCovi apirebs aRadginos jer

kidev 1999 wels dafuZnebuli social-demokratiuli

partia, raTa `Camoayalibos realuri

politikuri Zala da daupirispirdes putinis

reJims~. rogorc Cans, `perestroikis~ mamas

Sexedulebebi mkveTrad Seecvala bolo ramdenime

wlis ganmavlobaSi. saqme isaa, rom

sul xuTiode wlis win, 2007-Si, gorbaCovi

acxadebda, rom srulad uWerda mxars vladimer

putinis mier gatarebul reformebs.

axla ki vrceldeba xmebi, rom 4 marts

vladimer vladimeris Zis gamarjvebis Semdeg

gorbaCovs uTqvams: `xalxs didxans ver

moatyueb!~, riTac erTgvarad miuniSnebia xmebis

daTvlisas gamoyenebul maqinaciebze.

mixeil gorbaCovis politikur arenaze

dabrunebis survils, rogorc `komersanti~

wers, ukve gamoexmaura aleqsandr lebedevi

_ msxvili mewarme da biznesmeni. man ganacxada,

rom ruseTis politikur cxovrebaSi

monawileobis misaRebad `mzadaa daTmos biznesi

da mTlianad partiis Camoyalibebis

saqmeze gadaerTos, raTa aRdgenil partiaSi

or aTeulamde seriozuli politikosis gaer-

Tianeba moxerxdes, romlebic balotnaiasa

da saxarovze gamovlen~.

aleqsandr

lebedevi

sabWoTa kavSiris yofili prezidentis

gancxadebas saintereso publikacia miuZRvna

amerikulma gamocemam `boston globma~.

`aucilebeli ar aris, iyo nobelis premiis

laureati mSvidobis dargSi, rom saxalxod

gansajo vladimer putini demokratiis

ngrevisa da ruseTis ukan dawevisaTvis. Tumca

nobeliantis statusi mainc erTgvarad gexmareba.

arc sabWoTa kavSiris ukanaskneli

prezidentobaa aucilebeli imisaTvis, rom

aRniSno, ramdenad daemsgavsa putinis `eZinaia

rasia~ sabWoTa komunistur partias. Tumca,

esec gexmareba.

istoriis ironiaa is, rom mixail gorba-

Covi, totalitaruli sabWoTa kavSiris yofili

lideri axla avtoritaruli sistemis

erT-erT yvelaze gamoCenil kritikosad gvevlineba.

arsebobda imedi imisa, rom demokratia

da Tavisufleba fesvebs gaidgamda ruseTSi,

magram `kagebes~ polkovnikis aRzevebam es

imedebi mokla da axla am avismomaswavebel

atmosferoSi mixail gorbaCovis politikur

arenaze dabruneba, rogorc demokratiuli

gardaqmnebis momxrisa, uzomod droulia...

adamiani, romelic istoriaSi sajaroobisa

da gardaqmnis mamis saxeliT Sevida,

putins brals sdebs imaSi, rom is `ruseTs

warsulSi abrunebs~. is ki ara, Zalauflebis

konsolidaciisadmi swrafviT stalinsac

adarebs...

gorbaCovs SeeZlo mSvidad da komfortulad

ecxovra, magram man gadawyvita mxari

dauWiros rus xalxs da es mis moralur

avtoritetze laparakobs _ avtoritetze,

romelic man jer kidev Taobebis win moipova,

roca totalur mmarTvelobas wertili

dausva, istoriis msvleloba Secvala da

gmirad iqca~.

amerikuli gamocemisgan gansxvavebiT, `gorbis~

iniciativas skeptikurad moekidnen rusi

eqspertebi da saparlamento partiebis warmomadgenlebi.

`mixail gorbaCovi ukve

15 welia cdilobs, aRadginos

Tavisi partia. darwmunebuli

var, es mcdelobac

kraxiT damTavrdeba~.

_ ganacxada komunisturi

partiis wevrma

vadim salaviovma.

`gorbaCovi saerTod

unda dasajo Cveni saxelmwifosdangrevisTvis!~

_ mxari auba

salaviovs Jirinovskis

TanamebrZolma igor

lebedevma.

xolo politinformaciebis

centris generaluri

direqtori

aleqsei muxini miiCnevs,

rom gorbaCovis ukan

zemoxsenebuli aleqsandr

lebedevi dgas _

`finansuri mfarveli

angelozi~, raTa konkurencia

gauwios sergei

mironovs, romelmac

Tavis droze mas

`spravedlivaia rasias~

datoveba mosTxova.

asea Tu ise, faqti

erTia da jiuti: mixail

gorbaCovi, jer kidev

1994 wels Cawerili

winaswarmetyvelebisaebr,

arenaze gamoCnda. raRa

Tqma unda, misi Semdgomi

nabijebic swored ise-

Ti iqneba, rogorc amas

lela kakulia wers.

2011 weli, 10 ianvari.

vadim

salaviovi

igor

lebedevi

aleqsei

muxini

sruldeba warsulSi nawinaswarmetyvelebi,

rom muslimebi moskovSi Seucvivdebian

rusebs. isini moawyoben terorebs,

aafeTqeben yvelafers, irbenen trafaretebiT:

`rusebo, gaeTrieT didi Cingiz yaenis

samSoblodan. es Cveni miwebia!~

lela kakulia

rogorc Cans, winaswarmetyveleba, rom

muslimebi ruseTs sakuTar miwad gamoacxadebdnen,

ukve Sedis asrulebis fazaSi.

2012 wlis 25 aprils ruseTis telearx

`ren tv-is~ eTerSi gasulma gadacemas didi

skandali gamoiwvia. gadacemaSi stumrad hyavdaT

muslimi advokati da sazogado moRvawe dagir

hasavovi, romelic Ria eTerSi pirdapir

daemuqra ruseTs: `Cven sakuTar saxlSi varT.

SesaZloa, Tqven xarT aq ucxoebi, magram

Cven ki Cvens saxlSi varT. Tu vinme SeewinaaRmdegeba

SariaTis sasamarTlos Seqmnas

ruseTSi, Cven sisxliT movrwyavT qveyanas,

moskovs mkvdar tbas davamsgavsebT. am qsels

Cven arabeTis xalifatis zomamde gavzrdiT.

yvela muslimi unda gaerTiandes. ruseTma

unda mogvces amis SesaZlebloba!~

hasavovma iqve isic daamata, rom ruseTis

Tanamedrove sasamarTlo sistema ucxoa muslimebisTvis.

am provokaciulma gancxadebebma mTeli

internet-sazogadoeba aaforiaqa da cnobili

politikosebis reaqciamac ar daayovna. partia

`iablokos~ liderma sergei mitroxinma

genprokuraturasa da sasamarTlos mimarTa

hasavovis winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis saqmis

aRZvris moTxovniT. mitroxinma ganacxada,

rom advokati aucileblad unda gasamarTldes

_ oRond ara SariaTiT, aramed rusuli

sasamarTlos mier.

8


onald ronald d. d. asmus asmusi asmus

mcire omi,

romelmac msoflio SeZra

(dasawyisi

#49-64)

saqarTveloSi gaero-s sadamkvirveblo misiam

sakiTxi Seiswavla, magram qarTuli SeiaraRebuli

Zalebis kontingentis zrdis veraviTari

damadasturebeli faqti vE EeEr moiZia.

dsT-is qveynebSi ruseTis sagangebo elCma,

valeri keniakinma ganacxada, rom moskovi

mzad iyo samxedro saSualebebiT emoqmeda,

Tuki Tbilisi afxazeTisaken daZravda jars.

sami dRis Semdeg moskovma kvlav gaimeora,

rom saqarTvelo kodoris xeobaSi did Zalebs

uyrida Tavs, SetevisaTvis emzadeboda da

isic daadastura, novorosiiskis sahaerosadesanto

diviziidan damatebiT 400 jariskacs

vagzavni afxazeTSi samSvidobo kontingentis

gasaZliereblad da mdinare enguris

gaswvrivac ramdenime axali sakontrolo punqtis

gaxsnas vapirebo. es nabijic saqarTvelos

winaswari savaldebulo gafrTxilebis

gareSe gadaidga da, Sesabamisad, dsT-is

samSvidobo operaciebis Taobaze SeTanxmebis

darRveva gaxldaT. maisis dasawyisSi moskovma

ganacxada, rom afxazeTSi ruseTis SeiaraRebuli

Zalebis raodenoba gaizarda da

2500-s gadaaWarba. saqarTvelos dazvervis

cnobebiT ki rusi samxedroebis raodenoba

4000-s aRwevda. daaxloebiT imave dros ruseTis

samxedro-sahaero Zalebma samxedro vertmfrenebis

im pilotebis sruli mobilizacia

gamoacxada, visac mTian mxareSi frenebis

gamocdileba hqonda. sxvaTa Soris, agvistos

omis dros qarTvelebma erTi aseTi piloti

tyved Caigdes _ igi radmenime TviT adre

gamoZaxebuli rezervisti aRmoCnda da am

regions Turme jer kidev sabWoTa jarSi

samsaxuris droidan icnobda.

maisis Sua ricxvebSi ruseTis mediam da-

JinebiT daiwyo saubari afxazeTSi omis

gardauvalobasa da saqarTvelos gegmebze _

afxazeTisaTvis kodoris xeobisa da galis

raionis mxridan Seetia. sinamdvileSi, kodoris

xeobidan Seteva TiTqmis SeuZlebeli iyo: es

xeoba rogorc qarTuli, ise afxazuri mxarisagan

oTxi kilometris simaRlis qediTaa

gamoyofili da, Sesabamisad, praqtikulad

miudgomelia. saqarTvelos iq policiis SeiaraRebuli

qvedanayofebi hyavda Seyvanili

_ raRac msubuqi qveiTi jaris msgavsi; am

SenaerTebs, mTagoriani reliefis gaTvaliswinebiT,

Setevis mogerieba ki SeeZloT,

magram TavdasxmiTi operaciebis ganxorcieleba

_ veranairad. xeobidan afxazeTisaken erTaderTi

gza Cadioda, romlis dablokvac afxazur

Tu rusul Zalebs sul iolad See-

ZloT. Setevaze Tu midgeboda saqme, yvelaze

savaraudo senakis mxridan ieriSis ganxorcieleba

iqneboda da Tbilisi amgvar scenarsac

ganixilavda. magram 2008 wlis zafxulSi,

roca erTi qarTuli brigada eraySi imyofeboda,

meore ki wvrTnebze iyo gasuli,

aqedan masStabur Setevas axla cocxali Zala

ar eyofoda.

Tbilisi sul ufro da ufro SfoTavda:

saparlamento arCEevnebi 21 maisisTvis iyo

daniSnuli da veravin ityoda, qveynis usafrTxoebis

es sakiTxebi rogor SeiZleboda

asaxuliyo arCevnebis Sedegebze. saakaSvilis

mmarTveli partia winasaarCevno kampaniaSi

umTavres yuradRebas samuSao adgilebze da

pensiebze amaxvilebda, usafrTxoebis sakiTxebi

ki meore planze gadahqonda, magram omis

safrTxe, Wirisa ar iyos, Tavs ar malavda.

ruseTis medesanteebis afxazeTSi Seyvanam

Tavdapirvelad saakaSvili im daskvnamde miiyvana,

rom ruseTis muqara, SesaZloa, saqmed

qceuliyo. roca ruseTma pirvelad ganacxada

damatebiTi Zalebis afxazeTSi gadasrolis

Taobaze, man saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis sab-

Wos mdivan aleqsandre lomaias daureka da

uTxra, daiwyoo. Tumca cota xnis mere xelmeored

Seexmiana da aRiara _ cru ganga-

Si yofilao. magram yvelaferi es mainc

viTarebis ukidures daZabulobaze mianiSnebda.

roca arCevnebis Sedegebi gamoqveynda,

aRmoCnda, rom saakaSvilis partiam damajerebeli

gamarjveba moipova da xmebis 59% procenti

miiRo, anu ufro meti, vidre Tavad

prezidentma ianvris arCevnebSi. marTalia, qvey-

saqarTvelo, ruseTi da dasavluri samyaros momavali

anaSi mRelvareba matulobda, magram verc

opozicia axerxebda amiT esargebla da raime

mkafio alternativa SeeTavazbia xalxisTvis.

ruseTis mxridan mxolod iaraRis JRaruni

ki ar Wrida...

moskovi wnexis gaZlierebas sxva mimarTulebi-

Tac apirebda: maisis dasawyisSi, briuselSi

nato-ruseTis mimdinare konsultaciebis farglebSi

Sedga Sexvedra nato-sa da ruseTis

samxedro uwyebebis xelmZRvanelTa Soris;

ruseTis Tavdacvis Sefma, armiis generalma

iuri baluevskim saxtad datova

nato-eli kolegebi, roca gaafrTxila _

am zafxuls saqarTveloSi SeiZleba omi

atydes, Tu konfliqtis asacileblad sa-

Tanado nabijebi ar gadaidgmebao _ da

nato-s wevr qveynebs mosTxova saqarTveloSi

dagegmili erToblivi wvrTnebi gadaedoT,

Tu ar surdaT, am konfliqtSi Tavisdauneburad

aRmoCeniliyvnen CaTreulni.

man kidev erTxel daadastura, rom ruse-

Tis dazvervis monacemebiT, saakaSvili gauTvaliswinebel

qmedebebs gegmavda afxazeTis ZaliT

dasabruneblad da Tavisi saSinao problemebidan

yuradRebis sxva mxares gadasatanad.

maSin nato-Si miiCnies, rom es Cveuli rusuli

avyiaoba da Tbilisis politikuri Santa-

Jirebis gamovlineba iyo, magram axlandeli

gadasaxedidan yvelaferi SeiZleba im gafrTxilebad

aRviqvaT, rasac, samwuxarod, maSin

aravin aTxova yuri. Sexvedris Semdeg natom

da ruseTma kidev ufro gaaaqtiures TavianTi

`ukana xazi~ mokavSireTa evropul

sardlobasa da ruseTis genStabs Soris,

romelic jer kidev 90-ian wlebSi amuSavda,

magram verc ase moxerxda im aqtiuri kontrzomebis

gamonaxva, rac konfliqtur region-

Si viTarebas Caawynarebda. aliansi ZiriTadad

avRaneTiT iyo dakavebuli da, civi omis

periodTan SedarebiT, axla naklebi unari da

SesaZleblobebi gaaCnda, msgavsi xasiaTis

strategiuli gamowvevebi sworad gaeazrebina

da saTanado pasuxic gamoeZebna.

30 maiss saqarTvelom Tavis mxriv gadadga

nabiji viTarebis gansamuxtavad, roca qveynis

elCma gaero-Si, irakli alasaniam usafrTxoebis

sabWos sxdomaze sajarod ganacxada _\

Tbilisi aRar ganaxorcielebs upiloto mzveravi

aparatebis frenebs afxazeTSio. amaze

ruseTis sapasuxo qmedebis imedebi meore

dResve dasamarda, roca moskovma gamoacxada,

rom sarkinigzo jarebis kidev 400 jariskaci

Sehyavda soxumsa da oCamCires Soris rkinigzisa

da zogadad satransporto infrastruqturis

reabilitaciis mizniT. es kidev erTi

ukanono da sagangaSo nabiji gaxldaT. amis

pasuxad saqarTvelos sagareo saqmeTa ministris

moadgilem, grigol vaSaZem ganacxada:

`Tuki samxedro intervenciisaTvis mzadebasTan

ara gvaqvs saqme, rogor SeiZleba, erTma

qveyanam meore qveynis teritoriaze jaris

sarkinigzo-satransporto nawilebi Seiyvanos?!~

is srul simarTles ambobda: ruseTis sain-

Jinro nawilebma samuSaoebi agvistos dasawyisSi

daamTavres\ _ zustad moskovis Tavdasxmis

win. aRdgenili liandagebi da gzebi Semdeg

Zalian waadga ruseTis armias, roca is afxazeTis

mxridanac SemoiWra saqarTveloSi.

gangaSis zarebi am droisaTvis ukve mTel

dasavleT samyaroSic gaismoda. buSis administracia

problemis winaSe dadga: saerTo

azriT, saqarTvelos dasavluri orientacia

_ Tavi gavaneboT imas, mcdari iyo es azri

Tu ara _ im amerikul proeqtad miiCneoda,

romelic uSualod da piradad prezident

buSis saxelTan iyo asocirebuli. vaSingtoni

iyo is mTavari Zala, romelic kosovos

damoukideblobisa Tu buqarestSi saqarTvelosaTvis

map-is micemis kampaniis ukan idga.

maSin ruseTis gafrTxilebebs _ amerikis

mxardaWeram SesaZloa, cudi gavlena iqonios

afxazeTisa da samxreT oseTis konfliqtebzeo

_ saTanado yuradReba aravin miaqcia,

magram vaiTu moskovi sulac ar xumrobda?

zogierTi amerikeli maRalCinosani SeSfoTebas

gamoTqvamda, rom buqarestSi map-is sakiTxi

`haerSi gamoekida~ da am gaurkvevlobas

moskovi marTlac SeiZleboda saqarTvelos

mimarT agresiuli qmedebebisaTvis ganewyo.

vaSingtonSi aravis aeWvebda, rom ruseTi

raRacas eSmakobda, saqarTvelos provocirebas

cdilobda da, ubralod, eloda, rodis

dauSvebda saakaSvili Secdomas, raTa amiT

saTavisod esargebla. amerikelebma icodnen

_ saakaSvils yvelaze metad Tavisi qveynis

Tundac nawilis dakargva aSfoTebda da Tu

CixSi miamwyvdevdnen, arc afxazeTis ZaliT

dabrunebaze ityoda uars.

meT braiza iyo saxelmwifo departamentis

is maRalCinosani, vinc saqarTvelos

sakiTxebs kurirebda da yvelaze kargad icoda

qarTvelebis sawuxari. amave dros, is gaxldaT

pirovneba, visac qarTvelebi sakuTar

SiSebsa da imedebs uziarebdnen: iseve rogorc

mis kolegas evrokavSiridan _ piter semnebis,

mas araerTxel usaubria saqarTvelos

xelisuflebis yvela donis warmomadgenelTan

_ prezidentis CaTvliT _ afxazeTSi samxedro

qmedebebis SesaZleblobis Taobaze. msgavsi

saubrebi arasdros yofila oficialuri

xasiaTis da maTi gamomwvevi sababic mudam

realuri Tu warmosaxviTi safrTxeebiT iyo

ganpirobebuli. xandaxan saqarTvelos prezidents

mimdinare movlenebze marTlac uxdeboda

sapasuxo nabijebis gamoZebna _ magaliTad,

regionSi darCenili gaWirvebuli

Tanamoqalaqeebis dasacavad, magram zogjer

is variantebic ganixileboda, rogor daebrunebina

da SeenarCunebina afxazeTis garkveuli

nawili _ konkretulad ki is raionebi,

romlebic omamde upiratesad qarTvelebiT

iyo dasaxlebuli. bevri Cvengani am variantebs

`teritoriis dabrunebis scenarad~ moiazrebda.

msgavsi saubrebi, rogorc wesi, kuluarebSi

mimdinareobda xolme, an saakaSvilis

rezidenciaSi, an gvian RamiT kancelariaSi,

an sulac sufrasTan, sadac xelsaxocebze

rukebi ixazeboda da qarTveli

maRalCinosnebic xmamaRla arCevdnen savaraudo

moqmedebis gegmebs.

moskovis mier 2008 wlis gazafxulze

viTarebis daZabvam msgavsi saubrebis saqmed

qcevis albaToba sagrZnoblad gazarda.

amerikelebma, cxadia, icodnen bildtisa da

saakaSvilis naubari; informacia imis Taobaze,

Tu rogori gamalebiT eZebda Tbilisi

pasuxs afxazeTis dakargvis sul ufro mzard

safrTxeze, maT sakuTari arxebiTac misdiodaT.

amitomac, samxedro qmedebebis Sesaxeb

qarTvelebis mier Camogdebul nebismier sityvaze

maTi pasuxi mudam erTgvarovani iyo:

`es ar gaakeToT!~ amerikelebi saqarTvelos

mxares afrTxilebdnen, rom ruseTTan brZolis

wamowyeba maTi qveynisaTvis damRupveli

iqneboda. Tavis mxriv, qarTvelebic sakuTar

argumentebs iSveliebdnen _ jer dabejiTebiT

amtkicebdnen, samxedro TvalsazrisiT

ufro ukeT varT momzadebuli, vidre

amerikelebs ggoniaTo da am gancxadebas

xSirad Txovnasac urTavdnen _ ruseTis

savaraudo sahaero Tavdasxmis mosagerieblad

iqneb stingeris raketebi mogvaSveloTo. amgvari

Txovnebi ganixileboda, Tumca saboloo jam-

Si, vaSingtonma maT dakmayofilebaze uari

ganacxada. qarTvelebi aseve ambobdnen, rom

jer kidev arsebobda fanjara garkveuli

qmedebebisTvis, magram Tu is droulad ar

iqneboda gamoyenebuli, moskovis mier konfliqtur

regionebSi samxedro obieqtebis

mSenebloba am SesaZleblobasac gamoricxavda.

amitom, Tuki moqmedebaze midgeboda

saqme, droulad unda emoqmedaT.

Tbilisis xelisuflebas TandaTan sasowarkve-

Ta eufleboda: xedavda, samudamod rogor

ecleboda xelidan afxazeTi, moskovi ki

nabij-nabij zrdida Tavis gavlenas saqarTvelos

am mxareze. qarTvelebis mtkicebiT, Tuki

isini swrafad ar imoqmedebdnen, teritoriis

dabrunebis Sansi ukve aRarc miecemodaT.

da kidev imasac SiSobdnen, rom amgvari

gaurkvevloba da daZabuloba _ mougvarebeli

konfliqti Tu sulac gamoucxadebeli

omi _ sabolood daafrTxobda dasavlel

investorebs. saakaSvilis uaxloes garemocvaSi

kvlav gaisma xmebi erTgvari `blic krigis~\

Taobaze, rac, sul cota, yvelafers Tavis

saxels daarqmevda afxazeTSi da am gaurkvevlobas

mainc mouRebda bolos. es sakiTxi

gaxmianda maSinac, roca aprilSi saqarTvelos

delegacia saxelmwifo departaments

estumra da saxelmwifo mdivnis TanaSemwes,

den frids Sexvda. mogvianebiT fridma Tavis

erT interviuSi gaixsena: `pirveli SemTxveva

iyo, roca qarTvelebs ukve Seulamazeblad

vuTxari: iq (afxazeTSi) Tu SexvalT, SeiZleba,

pirveli brZola moigoT, iqneb meorec,

magram es TqvenTvis ukanaskneli gamarjveba

iqneba! ruseTi uTuod Caereva, sul simRer-

9


simReriT moamTavrebs saqmes da nu izamT

amas-meTqi, vTxove~.

aprilSive saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis mrCeveli

stiven hedli SeSfoTebas gamoTqvamda, rom

viTareba afxazeTSi ukve, faqtobrivad, ukontrolo

xdeboda da man TeTr saxlSi, saku-

Tar kabinetSi, am Temaze ramdenime sagangebo

TaTbiric gamarTa. mas surda biZgi mieca

raime konkretuli diplomatiuri qmedebebisTvis,

rac amierkavkasiis am or patara mTagorian

regionSi ukve Teqvsmeti wlis ganmavlobaSi

arsebul konfliqtebs omSi ar gadazrdida.

Sedegad, vaSingtonis zogadi pasuxi imgvar

mcdelobebs gulisxmobda, rac problemas sxva

CarCoebSi moaqcevda anu saqarTvelo Tavs

nebismier SemTxvevaSi wagebulad ki ar CaTvlida

_ an afxazeTis dakargvas Seegueboda,

an samxedro operaciis ganxorcieleba mouwevda

iZulebiT _ aramed gvirabis bolos

raime Suqismagvarsac dainaxavda da kriziss

mSvidobianad moagvarebda.

saamisod vaSingtons uciloblad unda

Seecvala konfliqtebTan da zogadad

saqarTvelosTan dakavSirebuli tonica da

midgomebic. amerikelebma icodnen, rom bevri

mTavari mokavSire eWvis TvaliT ucqerda

saakaSvils da saqarTvelosTan urTierTobebis

gaRrmavebisganac Tavs ikavebda. maT

saqarTvelos prezidenti sakuTriv problemis

nawilad miaCndaT da SiSobdnen, rom dasavleTTan

urTierTobis gaRrmaveba mas mxolod

ufro gaaTamamebda.

vaSingtons gansxvavebuli xedva hqonda:

kerZod, miaCnda, rom Tuki surdaT, Tbiliss

samxedro arCevani uareyo, maSin saamisod

saukeTeso gza masTan urTierTobis gaRrmaveba,

dasavluri mxardaWeris dadastureba

da saqarTvelosTvis imis naTlad Cveneba

iqneboda, rom gvirabis bolos marTlac

Canda Suqi. aSS-is mizani iyo, saakaSvils

moskovis mier dagebuli maxisaTvis Tavis

aridebaSi daxmareboda _ es maxe ki TavisTavad

gulisxmobda arCevans teritoriebis dakargvasa

da omis dawyebas Soris. amgvari safrTxe

diplomatiuri saSualebebiT unda aRkveTiliyo

da axali perspeqtiva Seqmniliyo konfliqtebis

erTxel da samudamod mosagvareblad.

vaSingtons aseve surda mkafiod ganecxadebina

_ Tu ruseTi damatebiT nabijebs

gadadgams afxazeTisa da samxreT ose-

Tis aRiarebis mimarTulebiT, saboloo

jamSi, Tbilisi ki ara, swored moskovi

moeqceva izolaciaSio.

aSS-is gegma sami nawilisgan Sedgeboda:

jer erTi, kritikosebi da SedarebiT eWviani

mokavSireebi unda daerwmunebinaT, rom

saqarTvelo namdvilad eswrafvoda mSvidobis

damyarebas, risi magaliTic im gazafxulze

saakaSvilis mier gacxadebul samSvidobo gegmaze

Semdgomi muSaoba iqneboda. am gegmis Tanaxmad,

Tbiliss surda pirdapiri dialogi

wamoewyo soxumis xelisuflebasa da, saer-

Tod, afxazeTTan. saakaSvili, cota ar iyos,

skeptikurad ucqerda uSualod afxazeTTan

saqmis daWeris mizanSewonilobas, magram vaSingtonma

araerTi niSani miiRo, rom

is afxazebic ki, visac saqarTvelos

SemadgenlobaSi dabruneba ar surdaT,

amis miuxedavad, mainc cdilobdnen,

ruseTze nakleb damokidebulni yofiliyvnen

da dasavleTisTvisac gamoeRoT

fanjara.

darwmunebiT aravin icoda, ramdenad seriozuli

iyo amgvari ganwyobebi da, saerTod,

rusuli gavlenis gaTvaliswinebiT, ramdenad

warmatebuli SeiZleba yofiliyo amgvari gaTvla.

magram, vaSingtons surda, niadagi moesinja

da `qveda doneze~ praqtikuli TanamSromlobis

is procesi wamoewyo, rac, Tavdapirvelad,

`xalxTa Soris~ kavSirebis aRdgenas

Seuwyobda xels da mere, TandaTanobiT regionsac

gaxsnida garesamyarosTvis.

am strategiuli gegmis meore nawili

ruseTis qmedebebis sapirwoned TbilisisaTvis

meti garantiebis micemas gulisxmobda. aq

umTavresi gaxldaT saqarTvelos didi xnis

moTxovnis dakmayofileba _ bolo moReboda

samSvidobo procesSi moskovis monopolias

da nabij-nabij dawyebuliyo procesis

TandaTanobiTi internacionalizacia am regionSi.

vaSingtoni evrokavSirisgan konfliqtis

zonebSi evropeli instruqtorebisa Tu

damkvirveblebis gagzavnas iTxovda, raTa iq

mxolod rusi samSvidoboebi ar yofiliyvnen

erTpirovnulad warmodgenilni. saerTaSoriso

kontingentis CarTuloba igulisxmeboda kodoris

xeobaSic, romelic yvelaze feTqebadsa-

SiS adgilad miiCneoda. konfliqtur regionebSi

saerTaSoriso warmomadgenlobis

gazrdisa da ltolvilebis dabrunebisaTvis

winapirobebis Seqmnis sapasuxod ki saqarTvelos

Zalis gamouyeneblobis mkacri piroba

unda daedo.

strategiis mesame mimarTuleba afxazeTis

samomavlo statusze imJamindeli molaparakebebis

formatis miRma svlas iTvaliswinebda.

vaSingtoni daeTanxma saqarTvelos, rom arsebuli

formatebi aSkarad moZvelda, tendenciuri

iyo da srul saxecvlilebas

saWiroebda. me-20 saukunis 90-iani wlebis

damdegidan moyolebuli, afxazeTis sakiTxebis

mogvareba upiratesad, e.w. `gaero-s generaluri

mdivnis megobrebs~ uwevdaT, anu im

saxelmwifoTa jgufs, romelic aSS-s, germanias,

safrangeTs, gaerTianebul samefosa da

ruseTs moicavda; magram axla amerika mzad

iyo, es CarCoebi gaefarToebina. am mimarTulebiT

pirvel nabijad aSS-s sagangebo

Sexvedrebis mTeli seriis mowyoba surda,

rac miznad daisaxavda saqarTvelos mier

gacxadebuli samSvidobo gegmis ganxorcielebas

da droTa ganmavlobaSi im axali forumis

Seqmnas, rac moskovis meTvalyureobis gareSe

qarTuli da afxazuri mxareebis warmomadgenelTa

uSualo kavSirebs daefuZneboda.

sabolood, gegma iTvaliswinebda axali sab-

Wos Seqmnasac, romelic procesSi erT-erT

mTavar moqmed subieqtad evrokavSiris Semoyvanas

ganapirobebda. maisis Sua ricxvebSi braiza

saqarTveloSi Cafrinda am strategiis

qarTvelebisa da afxazebisaTvis gasacnobad.

azrTa didi sxvadasxvaobis miuxedavad, daintereseba

gamoiCina Tbilismac da soxummac,

am mcdelobas xels uwyobda gaero-Si saqarTvelos

elCis, alasanias viziti afxazeTSi, magram

iniciativa dabrkolda, roca jer saakaSvilma,

mere ki afxazebmac ukan daixies.

saqme is iyo, gegma ar iTvaliswinebda

mkafio da calsaxa Setyobinebas moskovisadmi,

rom saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg gadadgmuli nebismieri

baniji mkveTrad aisaxeboda ruseTamerikisa

da, zogadad, ruseT-dasavleTis urTierTobebze.

es albaT imitom, rom vaSingtonma

da, ufro metad ki, evropam, im droisaTvis

saTavisod komfortuli poza moirges, rac

orive mxaris dadanaSaulebasa da `TavSekavebisaken~

mowodebebiT gamoixateboda.

verc amerika da verc evropa verafriT

SeTanxmda _ romel mxares

miuZRoda meti brali urTierTobaTa daZabvaSi

da verc is gaarkvies bolomde,

rusuli provokaciebi SeWmariti safrTxis

Semcveli iyo Tu mxolod zedmetad

eWviani da ficxi qarTvelebis gamonagoni.

cxadia, gacilebiT ioli iyo diplomatiuri

simkacris gamoCena qarTvelebis

da ara rusebis mimarT.

mokled, naklebi safuZveli arsebobs vamtkicoT,

rom aSS an evropa ruseTis xelisuflebis

maRali donis warmomadgenlebs gasagebad

afrTxilebda, ra Sedegebi SeiZleboda mohyoloda

moskovisaTvis amgvar agresias. marTalia,

yvelam icoda, ra dapirispireba arsebobda

moskovsa da dasavleTs Soris, magram

zogadi tendencia mainc mxolod moskovis

poziciisadmi saerTo uaryofiTi damokidebulebis

dafiqsirebis iqiT ar midioda. es

ki srulebiTac ar iyo sakmarisi praqtikuli

qmedebebisagan moskovis SesaCereblad.

Tumca aSS erTaderTi ar iyo, vinc omis

Tavidan acilebis saqmeSi gaaqtiurda. mais-

Si, evrosabWos Sekrebaze, mzard safrTxeze

yvela erTdroulad alaparakda da dauyovnebeli

moqmedebis aucileblobam, rogorc

iqna, evrokavSirs daaZlevina SiSi rogorc

ruseTTan uSualo dapirispirebis, aseve gauwonasworebeli

saakaSvilis gamo arasasurvel

movlenebSi SesaZlo CaTrevis Taobaze da

iZulebuli gaxada, vaSingtoniseuli diplomatiisaTvis

aewyo fexi. evrokavSiris saerTa-

Soriso politikis Tavkaci, havier solana

ivnisis dasawyisSive ewvia regions da evrokav-

Siris rolis gazrda SesTavaza dapirispirebul

mxareebs, rac maT erTxmad aitaces.

momdevno ramdenime kviris ganmavlobaSi evrokav-

Sirma Tumca frTxili, magram qmediTi nabijebi

SeimuSava ndobis aRsadgenad; saqme exeboda

konferenciebs soxumsa da briuselSi, sazRvris

usafrTxoebis monitoringis jgufis gagzavnas

da damatebiT Sexvedris briuselSi, sadac

dapirispirebuli mxareebi erTad unda

damsxdariyvnen molaparakebebis magidasTan. kidev

ufro Sors mimavali nabijebisagan evrokav-

Sirs Sida dapirispirebis Tavidan acilebis

mosazrebebma Seakavebina Tavi, Tumca es mainc

kargi dasawyisi Canda. magram saqmec isaa,

rom marTalia, Tavdapirvelad am nabijebs

afxazeTisa da samxreT oseTis mxareebic

daeTanxmnen, ukanasknel wuTs isev Zveleburad

gadgnen ganze.

axla garkveuli rolis Sesruleba berlinmac

moindoma: germania evropis wamyvani

saxelmwifo iyo da swored is ganusazRvravda

da karnaxobda politikas kontinentis aRmosavleT

nawilSi. mas mWidro kavSiri hqonda

moskovTan, didi investiciebic hqonda Cadebuli

ruseTSi, amasTanave istoriulad

saqarTvelosTanac bevri ram akavSirebda.

germania Tavmjdomare iyo `gaero-s generaluri

mdivnis megobarTa~ jgufisa; es qveyana

gansakuTrebul pasuxismgeblobas grZnobda

afxazeTis konfliqtTan dakavSirebiT da

arc apirebda, es pasuxismgebloba evrokav-

SirisaTvis gadaeloca.

germania naTlad xedavda, rogor iZabeboda

viTareba saqarTvelos konfliqtur

regionebSi da SiSobda, rom dapirispireba

saqarTvelosa da ruseTs Soris

sabolood gaauaresebda evropisa da, rac

mTavaria, mis urTierTobebsac moskovTan.

germanuli xedva aramarto saqarTvelos

daxmarebis aucileblobas, aramed ruseT-

Tan dapirispirebis Tavidan acilebis survilsac

emyareboda. Tu es ase ar iqneboda,

mTlianad dasavleTi izaralebda.

aqedan gamomdinare, sakuTari gegma berlinmac

wamoayena, rac aseve samfazian midgomas

iTvaliswinebda, mxolod amerikulisgan

gansxvavebuli aqcentebiT. gegmis pirveli faza

saqarTvelos akisrebda pasuxismgeblobas da

misgan Zalis argamoyenebis pirobis dadebas

moiTxovda (sxvaTa Soris, ruseTis moTxovnac

swored es iyo!) sanacvlod ki

ltolvilTa dabrunebis da kodoris xeobis

sruli demilitarizaciis zogad SeTanxmebas

sTavazobda. meore etapi qarTvelebsa da

afxazebs Soris ndobis aRdgenisken mimarTul

RonisZiebebze amaxvilebda yuradRebas

_ gansakuTrebiT, ekonomikuri kuTxiT. ganixileboda

saerTaSoriso donorTa konferenciebis

Catareba am sakiTxebze da konkretuli,

praqtikuli proeqtebis dafinansebac. mesame

fazaSi afxazeTis politikuri statusis sakiTxis

ganxilva unda momxdariyo saerTa-

Soriso SuamavalTa daxmarebiT. ivnisis miwuruls,

rodesac germaniam mokavSireebs es

gegma warudgina, garkveuli SeniSvnebis miuxedavad,

vaSingtonma igi moiwona. amerikas

surda, ruseTTan saerTod enis gamonaxvaSi

pasuxismgebloba berlinsac aeRo sakuTar Tavze

da sjeroda, rom sabolood, germanuli

gegmis amerikuli gegmis ZiriTad debulebebTan

SesabamisobaSi moyvanac moxerxdeboda.

umTavresi amocana is gaxldaT, procesi Cix-

Si ar Sesuliyo da molaparakebebis nacvlad

isev srola ar amtydariyo.

Tbilisi miesalma berlinis iniciativas,

magram jer mainc frTxilobda: moskovTan

`mZimewoniani moTamaSe~ germaniis gansakuTrebul

urTierTobebsac SeiZleba gadamwyveti

mniSvneloba hqonoda TbilisisaTvis. problema

is iyo, rom qarTvelebi bolomde ar

endobodnen germanelebs da piriqiT. qarTvelebis

azriT, berlini, cota ar iyos miamiturad

aRiqvamda ruseTis zraxvebs, aseve,

sxvebze meti gagebiTac ekideboda mis pretenziebs

kavkasiis sakuTari gavlenis sferod

gamocxadebis Taobaze. qarTvelebi berlins

buqarestSi map-is sakiTxis `dasamareba-

Sic~ adanaSaulebdnen da gansakuTrebuli eWvis

TvaliT uyurebdnen sagareo saqmeTa ministr

Stainmaiers, romelsac germanul-rusuli kav-

Sir-urTierTobebis gaRrmavebis iniciatorad

miiCnevdnen. swored germania xdeboda xolme

saakaSvilis sityvieri dartymebis mTavari

samizne da es qveyana yvelaze xSirad mohyavda

evropis gulgrilobis magaliTad.

Tbiliss berlinis gegma metismetad calmxrivad

eCveneboda _ qarTvelebisgan gacilebiT

met daTmobas iTxoven, sanacvlod ki imdens

verafers gvpirdebiano. sxvaTa Soris, roca

es gegma saqarTvelosTvis wardgenamde e.w.

megobari qveynebis jgufSi ixileboda ruse-

Tis TandaswrebiT, berlini TiTqmis darwmunebuli

iyo, rom saqarTvelo am gegmas

uaryofda; imTaviTve swored es gaxldaT

aramarto e.w. megobari qveynebis procesis,

aramed ufro zogadi problemac xsenebuli

konfliqtebis mosagvareblad: ruseTi de

faqto konfliqtis mxare iyo, magram am

jgufis wevrebTan erTad isic `Tanamediatorad~

ganixileboda. imavdroulad, Tbiliss

ar surda pirdapir eTqva uari Stainmaieris

gegmaze an misi Cavardna dabraleboda.

qarTvelebi moxarulni iyvnen, rom germaniam,

bolos da bolos, interesi gamoavlina maTi

qveynis mimarT da regionSi `Semosvlis~

survilic gamoamJRavna. imedovnebdnen, rom

roca Stainmaieri adgilze gaecnoboda vi-

Tarebas, germanuli xedva da politikac,

vinZlo, Secvliliyo kidec.

magram xsenebul iniciativebs didi dRe ar

ewera ramenime mizezis gamo: erTi maTgani

Tavad dasavleTSi erTianobis ararseboba gaxldaT;

atlantis okeanis arcerT sanapiroze

ar arsebobda is Zala, romelsac erTi damajerebli

xmiT SeeZlo elaparaka _ gnebavT

saqarTvelosTan da gnebavT _ ruseTTan.

amerikelebica da evropelebic erTnairad aRiqvamdnen

viTarebis simZafres, magram gamosavalze

saubrisas Tanxmobas vera da ver

aRwevdnen. Tuki vaSingtons miaCnda, rom

Tbilisze zemoqmedebis saukeTeso gza masTan

metad daaxloeba iyo, evropeli mokavSireebi

amas eWvis TvaliT ucqerdnen da SiSobdnen

msgavsi mxardaWera saakaSvils `TavSi ar avardnoda~.

evropelebi wuxdnen imaze, rom

maTi TvalTaxedviT, mousvenar da sulswraf

saqarTvelos SeeZlo evropa ruseTTan gamousworebel

dapirispirebamde mieyvana _ lamis

SeZrwuneba ipyrobdaT, roca qarTveli ma-

RalCinosnebi samxedro gadawyvetaze Camoagdebdnen

xolme sityvas. Tavad germanelebi

naxevari saukune elodnen aRmosavleT germaniasTan

`gayinuli konfliqtis~ mogvarebis

Sanss da Tanac _ mSvidobiani pirobebiT.

Zalian bevr evropels miaCnda, rom msgavsi

strategiuli moTmineba saqarTvelosac unda

gamoevlina da saakaSvilis sulswrafobas naklebad

TanaugrZnobdnen.

(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)

10


(GAGdasawyisi gv.5)

dagir

hasavovi

ovros sakuTari wesebiT.

Cemi azriT, momavalSi

zustad ase-

Ti gza iqneba aqtualuri

rogorc ruse-

TisTvis, ise dasavleT

evropisTvis. magram

isic naTelia, rom maT

ar unda mieceT ufleba,

sxva Temebsac moaxvion

Tavs sakuTari

adaTebi~.

rogor paradoqsu-

muslimi advokatis

skandalur gamosvlas

gamoexmaura moskovis

sapatriarqos warmomadgeneli

vsevolod Caplinic

da, raoden

gasakviric ar unda

iyos, Tqva, rom ruseT-

Si muslimebisTvis

SariaTis sasamarTlos

legalizacia dasaSvebia:

`ar Rirs, SevuzRudoT

islamur

Tems ufleba imisa, icx-

ladac ar unda JRerdes, ruseTis muslime-

bis centraluri sasulierosammarTvelos

xelmZRvanel

TalgaT Tajudins

sruliad sapirispiro

Sexedulebebi aRmoaCnda.

misi azriT, iseT

saero saxelmwifoSi,

rogoric ruseTia,

dauSvebelia SariaTis

kanonebi SemoReba. misi

TqmiT, mufTiaTebi

isedac mniSvnelovan

monawileobas Rebuloben muslimTa Soris

arsebuli dapirispirebebis mogvarebaSi.

mogvianebiT advoka-

tma hasavovma scada,

uareyo sakuTari sityvebi,

aqaoda, sworad

ver gamiges naTqvami

da saerTodac,

es yvelaferi Jurnalistis

bralia, romelmac

provokacia momiwyovo.

magram saqme

isaa, rom hasavovma

manamdec, ama wlis

TebervalSic ganacxada,

rom moskovsa da

ruseTis sxva qalaqebSic aucilebelia Sari-

da me getyviT Tqven...

(GAGdasawyisi gv.10)

sergei

mitroxini

_ qalbatono lela, saqarTveloSi

germaniis elCi afxazeTSi gaxldaT vizitiT,

sadac de-faqto prezident anqvabs

Sexvda. ra iyo am vizitis mizani?

_ germaniis elCi anqvabisa da afsuebis,

ase vTqvaT, gonze mosayvanad brZandeboda

afxazeTSi. anu, undoda gaegebinebina maT-

Tvis, rom es teritoria saqarTvelosia da

Sansi imisa, rom maT damoukidebeli qveynis

statusi daimkvidron msoflioSi, nulis tolia;

rom afsuebi qarTvelebis gverdiT ufro

iarsebeben, vidre rusebisa, romlebic kidev

ufro uares situacias Seuqmnian maT da

gaanadgureben kidec, rogorc ers. es viziti

iyo maniSnebeli imisa, rom evropa moiTxovs

ruseTisgan saqarTvelos datovebasa da

ltolvili qarTveli mosaxleobisTvis ukan,

sakuTar adgil-mamulebSi dabrunebis Sesa-

Zleblobis micemas.

_ sxvaTa Soris, anqvabma elCs ganucxada,

rom cota xanSi SesaZloa afxazeTma

saerTod uari Tqvas saqarTveloSi

akreditebul diplomatiur korpusTan

urTierTobebze.

_ arc daacxikinon! anqvabsa da afsuebs

aravin arafers ekiTxeba. es sufTa rusuli

teqstia, oRond citatas qveS `anqvabi waaweres~.

rac undaT, is Tqvan da iyviron,

aTasjer vTqvi da kidev vityvi: vxedav, rom

fsouze saqarTvelos droSa ifrialebs! devnilebs

minda vuTxra: ar gabedoT ifiqroT,

rom Tqven afxazeTSi ver dabrundebiT! ar

gabedoT!

_ qalbatono lela, ungreTis premier-ministrma

ganacxada, rom ungruli

navTobkompania `mol~ tovebs `nabuqos~

proeqts, romelic, misi TqmiT dauZlevel

siZneleebs awydeba.

_ es udidesi sisulelea! ungreTis

proeqtidan gasvlaSi ruseTis xeli urevia,

magram es `nabuqosTvis~ arafersac ar niSnavs.

is mainc aSendeba!!!

_ ruseTis sagareo saqmeTa ministrma

friad saintereso gancxadeba gaakeTa

briuselSi. kerZod, man mouwoda natos,

ar gaiyvanos Tavisi Zalebi avRaneTidan

2014 wlis Semdegac ki, roca wesiT

unda dasruldes aliansis Zalebis gayvana

qveynidan. ra interesi amoZravebs

ruseTs?

_ ra da ruseTs surs, sxvisi, anu natos

xeliT moigvaros usafrTxoebis sakiTxebi.

saqme isaa, rom rogorc zemoT vTqvi, ruse-

Ti metad saSiS zonaSia moqceuli da aranairad

ar awyobs areulobebi mezobel saxelmwifoebSi,

maT Soris, arc avRaneTSi da arc

iranSi. rac met xans darCeba nato-s jarebi

avRaneTSi, miT metad daculad igrZnobs

Tavs ruseTi, vinaidan kremlSi ukve xvdebian,

rom `megobari~ saxelmwifoebidan gamosrolili

pirveli raketa swored maT moxvdebaT.

es me bevri wlis win viwinaswarmetyvele

da aucileblad asruldeba kidec.

_ kidev erTi saintereso qmedeba

lavrovisa: `didi rvianis~ Sexvedraze

aSS saxelmwifo mdivnis, hilari klintonis

sityviT gamosvlisas lavrovi

yvelanairad cdilobda, daenaxebina mis-

Tvis, rom qalbatoni klintonis gamosvla

saerTod ar ainteresebda _ xan

marcxniv laparakobda da xan marjvniv.

vsevolod

Caplini

TalgaT

Tajudini

_ lavrovis aseTi saqcieli ar unda

gikvirdeT. es erT-erTi meTodia

fsiqologiuri zemoqmedebisa adamianze, rac

specialurad moamzades ruseTis mTavroba-

Si. ra Tqma unda, es aravisTvisaa ucxo da

dafaruli da amitom msoflioSi aRaravis

ukvirs lavrovis aseTi gamoxdomebi. es

meTodebi dRes ukve araviTar rols aRar

TamaSobs msoflio politikaSi. arc klintonisTvis

SeuSlia xeli lavrovis mxridan

gamovlenil ugulebelyofas, vinaidan

amerikelebma SesaniSnavad ician misi manerebi

da sakuTari saxelmwifo mdivani Sesabamisad

moamzades kidec.

_ qalbatono lela, qarTveli politeqspertebis

varaudiT, Tu israeli aSSis

daxmarebiT irans Seutevs, ruseTi

samxreTis mimarTulebiT gaaqtiurdeba

da saqarTvelos daesxmeba Tavs. ramdenad

WkuasTan axlosaa es mosazreba?

_ uf, rogor minda erTi popularuli

gamonaTqvami wamoviZaxo?! es analizi ki

ara, sisulelea! jer erTi, jer kidev 90ian

wlebSi vTqvi, rom israeli marto

rCeba cecxlovan burTSi da Tavad, Rmer-

Tis daxmarebiT gaatarebs sakuTar samxedro

politikas _ arc amerikas daekiTxeba da

arc aravis sxvas, da meorec: ruseTis

prezidents yovel wuTs unda saqarTvelosTan

omis dawyeba, magram ver iwyebs. ici, ratom?

imitom, rom amerikas iranTan Tu sxva

qveynebTan arsebuli daZabulobebi aranairad

ar uSlis xels saqarTvelos dacvaSi,

rac SesaniSnavad ician ruseTSi da amitomac

ver bedaven xelaxal Tavdasxmas Cvenze.

rogorc ki daiZvrebian rusuli jarebi,

amerika imave wams gadaavsebs bosforis

srutes samxedro gemebiT. wavlen ukan rusebi?

amerikac ukan gaixmobs sakuTar xomaldebs

da ase Semdeg.

ra ubedurebaa xalxis ase daSineba?! minda

vuTxra Cems xalxs: qarTvelebo, nu ge-

SiniaT axali omisa! saSiSi dRevandeli qarTuli

Sidapolitikaa, sxva araferi. Tumca, es

politikosebi waimtvreven kisrebs, Torem

Cemi xalxi namdvilad darCeba gamarjvebuli.

bednieri var, rom vxedav, Cemi xalxis

aseT brwyinvale momavals maSin, roca mTeli

msoflio omis cecxlSi iwvis da bunebac

mrisxanebs. msoflios naxevarze met

qveyanas walekavs omebi da kataklizmebi,

Cemi saqarTvelo da Cemi qarTvelebi ki

gadarCebian. ar mainteresebs arc mecnierebis

azri da arc politikosebisa. saintereso

da WeSmariti mxolod winaswarmetyvelebebia,

romlebic erTmaneTis miyolebiT

sruldeba da am movlenebs, kosmosis

garda, veravin Secvlis.

gaxsovdeT winaswarmetyveleba, rom saqarTvelo

mTlianad noes kidobania, anu im qarcecxls,

romelic msoflioSi datrialdeba,

Cemi qveyana uciloblad gadaurCeba swored

ise, rogorc noes kidobani gadarCa didi

warRvnisas.

_ qalbatono lela, ruseTi afxazeTis

teritoriaze kidev erT samxedro

bazas aSenebs. es rigiT mexuTea afxazeTis

teritoriaze oqumis, galis,

CeRalisa da fiCoris samxedro bazebis

Semdeg.

_ mere ra? Zalian kargi, Tu aSeneben.

mxolod bazebi ki ara, netav sxvac bevri

leonti

bizovi

aTissasamarTloebis dafuZneba.

ruseTis sazogadoebrivi

azris Semswavleli

centris

xelmZRvaneli leonti

bizovi `svabodnaia

presasTan~ interviuSi

ambobs, rom

moskovSi SariaTis

samarTlis SemoReba

arasarwmunoa. misi

SefasebiT, hasavovis

gancxadeba erTmniS-

vnelovnad provokaciuli xasiaTisa gaxldaT

da piar-skandalze iyo gaTvlili: `oficialurad

SariaTis kanonebi arasdros damkvidrdeba

dedaqalaqSi. muslimebs SeuZliaT sakuTar

diasporas SigniT misdion am kanonebs, rac

dResac xdeba~.

axla ruseTis Sinagan saqmeTa saministro

advokat hasavovis intervius Canawers swavlobs,

raTa daadginos, Seicavs Tu ara misi

sityvebi eTnikuri dapirispirebisken mowodebebs

da mxolod amis SemdegRa miscems procesualur

Sefasebas mis qmedebas. Tumca,

araoficialurad ukve daiwyo hasavovis devna.

rogorc advokatis vaJi, mwerali arslan

hasavovi acxadebs, mamamiss ukve uTvalTvalebs,

egreT wodebuli, kadirovis dacva.

ram aaSenon da gaamSvenon, imitom, rom yvelaferi

Cven _ qarTvelebsa da saqarTvelos

dagvrCeba mas Semdeg, rac rusi afxazeTidan

fexs amoikveTs da sakuTari teritoriebis

dasacavad gavardeba. iqamde ki, merwmuneT,

didi dro ar darCa. male yvela erTad

vizeimebT saqarTvelos gamTlianebas!

_ qalbatono lela, axla erT arapolitikur

Temaze minda gkiTxoT. rusul

presaSi gavrcelda informacia, rom peterburgSi,

zogierT ubanSi miwidan ucnauri,

reaqtiuli TviTmfrinavis Zravis

xmis msgavsi xmebi ismis. Jurnalistebi

amboben, rom mecnierebi SekiTxvaze, Tu

ra xmebia es, pasuxs ver iZlevian. ra

aris es _ miwis `kvnesa~ Tu masobrivi

halucinacia?

_ araviTari halucinacia. Zalian mainteresebs,

ratom ver iZlevian am umartives movlenaze

mecnierebi pasuxs? gasagebad vityvi,

rom es miwisqveSa qanebi, gruntebi moZraobs,

filebi adgils icvlian da Wrialeben. es

bunebis Wirveulobis kidev erTi gamovlinebaa,

rac nawinaswarmetyvelebi maqvs. swored qanebis

amgvari gadaadgilebis Sedegad CaiZireba

arsebuli da aRmocendeba axali kunZulebi.

_ da kidev erTi ucnauri movlenis

Sesaxeb: ramdenime dRis win moskovi uCveulo,

mwvane Rrublebma dafara, cota xan-

Si ki aseve `mwvane qariSxali~ amovarda.

mosaxleobaSi panika atyda. qalaqis xelmZRvanelobam

maT dasamSvideblad ganacxada,

rom es mwvane mtveri aryisxis

yvavilobam warmoqmna, magram aravin daijera,

vinaidan msgavsi ram sxva dros arasdros

momxdara, aryisxeebi ki mudam yvaoda.

ra iyo es, qalbatono lela, saidan

gaCnda es ucnauri simwvane?

_ es qimiuri qarxnis afeTqebis Sedegia.

_ diax, aseTi versia iqac gamoiTqva.

_ me ar vici, vin ra versia gamoTqva, me

vici is, rasac pirdapir vxedav: afeTqda qimiuri

qarxana, rac wlebis win mqonda

nawinaswarmetyvelebi. sxvaTa Soris, adamianebs

ar unda uWirdeT amis gamocnoba, vinaidan

zustad aseTi feradi Rrublebi Cndeba qimiur

qarxnebSi momxdari incindentebis Sedegad.

feri ki imazea damokidebuli, Tu ra qarxana

feTqdeba.

_ safrangeTis atomur eleqtro sadgurze

momxdar xanZarze ras ityviT?

amboben, rom yvelaferi kargad damTavrda

da aranairi safrTxe ar arsebobs.

marTlac ase mSvidad Caiara yvelaferma?

_ mSvidad araferac ar Caira. simarTles,

rogorc yovelTvis, axlac malaven da ar

amJRavneben.

_ sxvaTa Soris, weRan kosmosis neba

axseneT da minda Cveni gazeTis erT-erTi

mkiTxvelis SekiTxva gagacnoT, romelic

redaqciis el-fostaze Semovida: `qalbatono

lela, Tqven xSirad axsenebT frazas

`winaswarmetyveleba mainc asruldeba~.

mainteresebs, niSnavs Tu ara es imas,

rom adamiani SezRudulia bedisweriT?~

_ diax, ra Tqma unda. bedisweris iqiT

arCevani ar arsebobs. xom mogismenia, asakSi

Sesulebi, anu, ase vTqvaT, dabrZenebuli adamianebi

rom amboben xolme, axalgazrdobaSi

rom Wkua mqonoda, ase vizamdi da ise vizamdio?

es tyuili sinanulia, imitom, rom ra

Wkuac ar unda hqonodaT, mainc verafers

Secvlidnen, verafers sxvagvarad ver izamdnen,

radgan adamianis cxovreba swored bedisweriTaa

gansazRvruli. ar mainteresebs, vin ras

ambobs imasTan dakavSirebiT, arsebobs Tu ara

bediswera. me vambob, rom igi arsebobs da

amas wyali ar gauva!

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ai ase, arc leonid Tibilovs davuWire

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romelic `megafonis~ adgilobriv filials

xelmZRvanelobda _ yvelgan `JuCokebi~

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iqneba.

_ aris ki SesaZlebeli Zveli SiSis

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_ es ar unda davuSvaT. es prezidentze

ar aris damokidebuli, es Cveni saqmea. bolos

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weli? imisTvis xom ara, rom axla me qalaq-

Si gasvla meSinia? aba, naxeT, ra gaakeTa 9

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rogor dagvcines da masxarad agvivgdes

mec da Cemi momxreebic.

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_ SavniRbianebma avtomatebiT Semoamtvries

fanjrebis sqeli minebi da oTaxSi Semoi-

Wrnen. niRbebis Tvalis WrilebSi iseTi yovlismomcveli

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gatana undodaT, rogorc nivTisa. vexvewebodi,

xeli gamiSviT, Cemi fexiT wamoval,

sadac metyviT-meTqi, magram maT arafris

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Caagdes. mere manqanaSi Setenes, mogvianebiT

ki gadmoagdes iqidan.

_ vin iyo es xalxi, iciT?

_ vici, swrafi reagirebis specdaniSnulebis

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wina dRes uSiSroebis sabWos sxdoma gaimarTa,

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swored iq gadawyda Cemi dakaveba.

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magram hipertoniuli krizi damemarTa da

aman mixsna patimrobisgan.

_ ra braldebebi wagiyenes?

_ aranairi.

_ maS ris safuZvelze dagiyenes

daraji saavadmyofoSi?

_ es kiTxva mec bevrjer davsvi, magram

ar mipasuxes. saavadmyofodan arCevnebis wina

dRes gamomweres. wamosvlis win araerTxel

gamimeores daJinebiT, rom aranairi interviu

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daCveuli. me yvela kandidats vuTxari:

noembrisa da 9 Tebervlis movlenebs

nebismierma xelisuflebam unda misces Sefaseba-meTqi.

aq saqme Cems SeuracxyofaSi ki

ara, saxelmwifoebriobaSia, xalxSia. Tu Cems

mier gamocxadebuli inauguracia arafers

niSnavda, maSin ratom SeeSindaT ase? gamodis,

rom es procedura raRacas niSnavda...

_ ar nanobT, rom dekemberSi kremlis

administraciis warmomadgenlis, vinokurovis

SuamavlobiT, kompromisul

SeTanxmebas moawereT xeli?

_ am SeTanxmebas xeli imitom movawere,

rom mivxvdi, ar SeiZleboda winaaRmdegobis

gamZafreba. magram verasdros warmovidgendi,

rom aseTi maRali rangis kremleli Cinovnikebi

ase moiqceodnen. Cems qvecnobierSi gamjdari

iyo kliSe: kremli yvelaferze maRla

dgas! magram me ganvixible. Tumca, roca

vambob `kremli~, me mxedvelobaSi ar myavs

ruseTis xelmZRvaneloba, miuxedavad imisa,

rom mesmis, amgvari sakiTxebi vinokurovisa

da gasianovis doneze ar wydeba. magram es

adamianebi mainc kremlis saxeebi arian da es

saxe sulac ar aRmoCnda mimzidveli.

_ axal mTavrobaSi kargi adgili

rom SemogTavazon, daTanxmdebiT maTTan

muSaobas?

_ me ar mainteresebs arc mTavrobaSi

muSaoba da arc vice-prezidentoba. yvelaferi

es CemTvis muxudos SeWamands hgavs da keTildReobisTvis

aranair Tanamdebobaze ar waval.

me mWirdeba garantiebi imisa, rom sazogadoebaSi

pozitiuri cvlilebebi moxdeba. ai

aseT SemTxvevaSi vifiqreb, riT davexmaro

sazogadoebas... sainteresoa, ratom wiraven

adamianebi da saxelmwifoc ki sakuTar imijs?

ratom ar dainteresda ruseTi, sad

gaqra is investiciebi, romlebic man samxreT

oseTSi Cado?.. am kiTxvebze pasuxebis variantebi,

romlebic TavSi momdis, araviTar

imedsa da optimizms ar mmatebs.

_ gagviziareT es variantebi.

_ ai, dRes bevri ambobs, rom Tu saqarTvelos

xelisuflebis saTaveSi ivaniSvili mova

_ saqarTvelo ki ruseTis strategiuli

interesebis sferoa _ maSin CaTvaleT, rom

samxreT oseTis bedi winaswar gadawyvetiliao.

da es osebs did kiTxvis niSans uCens,

romlebic rusebis erTgulebi arian, romelTaTvisac

mze mudam CrdiloeTidan amodioda.

ai, amitomac ar matebs ruseTis imijs arafers

sakiTxis amgvarad dasma.

_ magram Tu situacias kremleli

Cinovnikebis TvaliT SevxedavT, ratom

unda daubrunon saqarTvelos samxreT

oseTi? imitom, rom dRes Tu ivaniSvili

iqneba, xval kvlav saakaSvili

dabrundeba.

_ hoda, amas vambob zustad. jer erTi,

aravin icis, ivaniSvils uRalateben da zurgs

Seaqceven Tu ara, da meorec: ar mjera, rom

saqarTvelos mfarvelebi _ romlebic mas

afinanseben da romlebic gamowvlilviT swvloben,

ramdenad kargad muSaobs es fuli

saxelmwifos imijze, gadauxveven sakuTar sagareo

politikur xazs saqarTveloSi. isini

sakuTar proeqtebs miiReben da am proeqtebs

Sedegebi eqneba. iluziisTvis samxreT oseTis

saqarTvelosTvis gadacema _ Zalian araswori

iqneba. magram Tu ruseTi Cvens gadacemas

ar apirebs, maS ratom ar arsebobs

politikuri neba imisa, rom samxreT oseTma,

bolos da bolos, Rirseulad icxovros?

_ eqspertebi amboben, rom samxreT

oseTis sazogadoebas kremlis politikis

mimarT ndoba Seerya. ra unda

gaakeTos axalma xelisuflebam, raTa ndoba

Zvel dones daubrundes?

_ Cems pirad azrs mogaxsenebT: roca

meubnebian, rom premier-ministris, Tavdacvisa

da finansTa ministrebis portfelebs ruse-

Tis `ka-ge-be~ aravis dauTmobso, meCveneba,

rom es Zalze araswori poziciaa. ki, dRes

am postebs swored iqidan daniSnulebi ikaveben,

magram Tu raime Tanamdebobis Sesaferi

specialisti samxreT oseTSi ar mogvepoveba,

maSin, ra Tqma unda, gamarTlebulia qveynis

garedan misi Semoyvana. sxva saqmea, roca

Tanamdebobaze saSualo donis Cinovniki iniSneba,

romelic fuladi saxsrebiT manipulirebs

da didi saxelmwifos avtoritets laxavs. ai

es ukve araproduqtiuli politikaa. vfiqrob,

sazogadoebac swored amgvarad aRiqvams situacias.

ra Tqma unda, Cven madloblebi varT

ruseTisa yvelafrisTvis, magram gana ar Sei-

Zleba gasakeTebeli damcirebis gareSe gakeTdes?

gana ar SeiZleba, rom saqmeSi Cadebul

saxsrebs Sedegi hqondes, raTa ruseTze balastiviT

ar viyoT Camokidebulebi?..

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