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... da xval iyo omi!

... da zeg ar iyo saqarTvelo!

#33 (217) 25-31.VII.2012 weli Semdegi nomeri gamova, oTxSabaTs, 8 agvistos www.saertogazeti.net; E-mail: saertogazeti@yahoo.com fasi 1 lari

biZina ivaniSvili da

koalicia `qarTuli

ocneba~ kaxelebs

gasaWirSi ar miatovebs

saakaSvili wasvliT ki

wava, magram mTavaria,

ukan ar mobrundes...

am xelisuflebas surs

mTeli saqarTvelo

kikud aqcios, magram

araferi gamouva

Cven mcxeTis saxinkleSi

visxdeT da miSa

sxvam gadaagdos,

aseTi ram ar moxdeba

ratom dadis saakaSvili

bednieri saxiT stiqiisgan

aoxrebul kaxeTSi?

saqarTvelos amJamindeli

xelisufleba,

faqtobrivad,

ruseTis xelisuflebis

gagrZelebaa

daCexili

saqarTvelo

`nacionalebo~, droze

modiT Wkuze,

Torem deda getirebaT!

kaxa benduqiZis

reformebi

sruli idiotizmia

didi SiSis lobio Tu Wame

da zedac halstuxi miayole

prasiviT, aucileblad

faRaraTi gimsxverplebs...


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saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

sad daixarja sagangebo

situaciebisTvis gawerili

100 milioni lari _ `qarTuli

ocnebis~ axalgazrduli frTa

koalicia „qarTuli ocnebis“ axalgazrduli organizacia

xelisuflebas sarezervo fondis aramiznobriv xarjvaSi adanaSaulebs

da moiTxovs pasuxi gaeces kiTxvas, sad daixarja

sagangebo situaciebisTvis gawerili 100 milioni lari. swo-

red am TemasTan dakavSirebiT dRes parlamentis Senobis win

win koaliciis axalgazrdulma frTam saprotesto aqcia gamarTa.

maT gamoitanes transparantebi `gaflanguli rezervi~,

`moparuli Tanxebi~, `sad aris sarezervo fondi~, `rezervi

_ nuli~.

axalgazrduli frTis warmomadgenlis cotne zurabianis

gancxadebiT, sarezervo fondi mTlianad daxarjulia da swored

amas ukavSirdeba bolo sabiujeto cvlilebebTan dakavSirebuli

ganxilvebi parlamentSi, raTa moaxerxon saxsrebis gadanawileba.

misi TqmiT, es kidev erTxel miuTiTebs aragonivrul politikaze,

rasac prezidenti yoveldRe sTavazobs sazogadoebas.

SegaxsenebT, rom biujetSi cvlilebebi kaxeTSi stiqiis Sedegebis

salikvidaciod da mosaxleobisTvis kompensaciis gasacemad

Sedis. amisTvis daaxloebiT 162 mln lari gaixarjeba.

samegreloSi stiqiis Sedegad

dazaralebulebs kompensacia

jerac ar miuRiaT

walenjixis raionis soflebSi erTi Tvis win momxdari

stiqiis Sedegad dazaralebul mosaxleobas fuladi kompensacia

jerad ar miuRia.

rogorc ,,medianiuss“ walenjixis municipalitetis gamgebelma

mamuka qardavam ganucxada, zaralis odenoba ukve dadgenilia

da monacemebi mTavrobas gadaegzavna.

ra odenobis fulad kompensacias miiReben walenjixis raionSi

stiqiiT dazaralebuli ojaxebi, es parlamentis mier

sabiujeto cvlelebis damtkicebis Semdeg gaxdeba cnobili.

qardavam dazaralebuli ojaxebis odenoba ar daakonkreta,

Tumca ganacxada, rom stiqiam ZiriTadad sofeli obuji daazarala.

uxvi naleqis Sedegad Camowolili mewyeris mier dazianebuli

xidebisa da gzebis aRdgeniTi samuSaoebi mimdinareobs.

walenjixis garda stiqiis Sedegad dazaralda Cxorowyus

raionic, Tumca rogorc ,,medianiusTan“ saubarSi Coxatauris

riaonis gamgebelma merab Seliam ganacxada, stiqiis Sedegad

miyenebuli zarali mosaxleobisTvis fulad kompensacias ar

saWiroebda.

,,municipaliteti fizikurad daexmara da exmareba yvela

mosaxles. ZiriTadad infrastruqturuli ziania miyenebuli,

rasac municipaliteti agvarebs“, _ ganacxada Seliam.

SegaxsenebT, rom samegreloSi 28 ivliss Zlieri wvima movida,

ris Sedegadac ramdenime sofelSi mewyeri Camowva da

gzebi da xidebi daaziana. stiqiis gamo qveynis prezidentma baqoSi

viziti Sewyvita da dazaralebul regionSi Cavida.

`medianiusi~

`saerTo gazeTi~

mTavari redaqtori: vaxtang xarCilava

gamomcemeli: Sps sagamomcemlo centri `saerTo sityva~

mis: Tbilisi, aRmaSeneblis 164;

tel.: 2 14 40 19; 2 34 28 97

qarTvelebsac da osebsac erTi

ocneba unda gvqondes _ mSvidobiani,

gaerTianebuli saqarTvelo

uflebebisa da pasuxismgeblobis

Sesaxeb saerTo kiTxvebiT

mivmarTeT msaxiobebs _ nana da

lili xuriTebs, romlebic Sida

qarTlis regionSi sofel-sofel

xvdebodnen adgilobriv mosaxleobas.

_ rrammdenad icnobs Cveni sazogadoeba

sakuTarr ufflebebs da rrammdenad

aqqvs gacnobierrebuli sakuTarri ppasuxismmgebloba?

_ rrogorr SeaffasebT nacmmoZZrraobis

xelisufflebaSi yoffnis pperriods qqveynisTvis,

mmoqqalaqqisTvis?

_ rra Seicvala karraleTis incidentis

Semmdeg sazogadoebis ganwyoba-

Si?

_ rra arris Tqqveni `qqarrTuli ocneba?~

nana xuriTi: Cveni sazogadoeba

imdenad itanjeba uuflebobiT,rom

survilic ki aRara

aqvs, gaecnos mas. sazogadoeba

axla ukve grZnobs pasuxismgeblobas,

amaSi davrwmundi da davmSviddi,

mas Semdeg, rac regionebSi

vnaxe. miuxedavad terorisa,daSinebisa

da damcirebisa,

adamianebi grZnoben, rom seriozuli

arCevanis win dganan da es

gacnobierebuli aqvT.

vardebis xelisuflebam qveynisTvis

pozitiuri araferi moitana,

moqalaqeebisTvis moCvenebiTi

simSvide da albaT, is,

rom quCaSi Rame siarulis ar

meSinia da manqanebs aRar iparaven...Tumca,

maxsendeba ukanono

patimrebi, cixeSi gardacvlili

adamianebi, wamebebi, quCaSi daxretili

biWebi, gauxsneli saqmeebi,

`imedSi~ SeWra, 7-noemberi,

26 maisi...

karaleTis incidentis Semdeg,

mosaxleoba ufro gaTamamda

da piriqiT,SiSi moexsnaT, meore

dResve, SevediT karaleTSi, sadac

kargi Sexvedra gvqonda. iq

amovicaniT is qalbatoni, romelic

Zalian aqtiuri iyo wina

dRes da nirwamxdari aZlevda

intervius `realtivis~ da `aitivis~.

me aseTi adamianebi mecodebian.

osur soflebSi viyaviT

`erovnebaTa saxlidan~ xuTkaciani

jgufi, osi erovnebis warmomadgenlebi.

osur mosaxleobas-

Tan Sexvedra Zalian saintreso

iyo,”erovnebaTa saxlma” Tavis

misia Seasrula. es pirveli Sem-

Txvevaa, sadac sxadasxva eris

warmomadgenlebi aqtiurad Caer-

Tvnen im ocnebis asrulebaSi,

rasac ,,qarTuli ocneba~

qvia

goris gamosvlis Semdeg

Zalian bevri osi movida

CemTan, gamecnen. osi

eronebis xalxis aseTi

aqtivoba me ar maxsovs.

goris aqcia Semdegi sityvebiT

gavxseni: .,,me nana

var, xuriTi, erovnebiT

osi, qarTuli Teatris

msaxiobi, davibade

TbilisSi, gavizarde gogebaSvilis

`deda enaze~,

Cemi mSobliuri ena qar-

Tulia, Tumca osursac

kargad vflob da aqciis

mxardamWerebs osur enaze

mivesalme - ,,va bonTa

xorz~. erT-erT interviuSi

wamomcda, roca Cvenebi

Cems sofelSi Sevidnen,

Cvenebi tyeSi gaixiznen...

SesulebSi - qarTvelebs vgulixmobdi,

gaxiznulebSi.

im sofelSi ki mamaCemis

saflavia,mitovebuli saflavi...es

Cveni saerTo

tkivilia, imitom rom

Tqvenc mitovebuli saflavebi

gelodebian...Cven

vambobT, rom es omi viRacam

mogvaxvia Tavs, viRacis

interesebSia, magram

faqtia, rom Cven _ osebma

da qarTvelebma, es davuSviT.

Cemi qarTuli ocnebaa

gamTlianebuli, mSvidobiani,

saqarTvelo, sadac

adamianebs uzrunvelyofili

sibere eqnebaT, sadac

adamianis Sroma dafasebuli

iqneba, sadac siZulvilisTvis

adgili ar iqneba....

lili xuriTi: qarTulma

sazogadoebam icoda, rom hqonda

bednierad cxovrebis ufleba,

amitom ukiduresi gaWirveba ver

aitana da moaxdina `vardebis

rvolucia~ Tumca sul cota

xanSi mixvda, rom mwared Secda

da rom bednierad cxovrebis ufleba

,,gamorCeul~ adamianebs

aqvT mxolod. rom maTi yofa,

bednier cxovrebas viRa Civis,

adamianebis keTilganwyobazea damokidebuli.

aseT SemTxvevaSi

pasuximgeblobaze da movaleobis

grZnobaze laparaki zedmetia.

,,qarTuli ocnebis~ gamoCenis mere

adamianebs gauCndaT rwmena

imisa, rom maT SeuZliaT TviTon

gaxdnen avtorebi TavianTi ke-

gazeTi xelmZRvanelobs Tavisufali presis principiT.

SesaZloa, avtoris pozicia ar eTanxmebodes redaqciis azrs.

informaciis sizusteze pasuxismgebelia avtori. gasaCivreba

SesaZlebelia masalis gamoqveynebidan erTi kviris vadaSi.

Semosuli masalebi avtorebs ar ubrundeba.

regist. #202375349; uak (UDC) 070.23 (479.22) s-158

TildReobisa da miiRon monawileoba

sakuTari qveynis mSeneblobaSi.

aman gaaCina pasuxismgebloba.

me es Zalian maxarebs.

am xelisuflebam CemTvis

iseTi mniSvnelovani Rirebulebebis

ngreva daiwyo, rom dRes

pozitivze saubaric ar msurs.

roca wavlen da daiwyeba yve-

lasTvis da ara erTi jgufisTvis,

sasurveli qveynis mSenebloba,

mSvidad gavaanalizeb

yvelafers da aucilebladd CamovTvli

sikeTeebs, Tuki SeiZleba

sikeTe vuwodo im valdebulebebs,

romelic revoluciiT

mosul xelisulebas isedac

unda ekeTebina. is valdebuli

iyo. erTaderTi, rac SeiZleba

gansakuTrebulad gamovyo, is

aris, rom Ramis TbilisSi gadaadgileba

usafrTxo gaxda. es

Zalian kargia, magram ris fasad,

amaze SeiZleba vimsjeloT.

Tumca, roca centralur quCaze

mdebare studia ,,monitoris~

ofiss qurdaven, gaaqvT

yvelaferi uzarmazari yuTebiT

da amas veravin amCnevs, es Zalian

cudia.

goris regionSi mdgomareoba

iyo umZimesi. gapartaxebuli soflebi,

usaxsrod, uimedod dar-

Cenili, daTrgunuli, mudmivi

daSinebis qveS myofi mosaxleoba.

goris aqciam erTgvari gardatexa

moaxdina. miTi nacxelisuflebis

da kerZod, merabiSvilis

uZlevelobisa, nel-nela

ngrevas iwyebs. goris regionis

mosaxleobam dainaxa, rom maTi

Zala mxolod qvebis srolaSia.

mosaxleobas gauCnda imedi, rom

qvebis sroliT mosuli xelisufleba

aucileblad arCevnebiT

wava.

Cemi qarTuli ocnebaa, vicxovro

qveyanaSi, romlis moqalaqeobiTac

iamayebs yvela eris

warmomadgeneli, maT Soris

afxazebi da osebi da am qveyanas

erqmeva -saqarTvelo.

nino fircxalava

am niSniT aRniSnulia sareklamo masalebi.


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi

raRac Zalian gaxarebuli

da bednieri dadis saakaSvili

stiqiisgan gapartaxebul

da gaubedurebul

kaxeTSi.

_ Tu qari qroda, wvimda

da qveyana iqceoda, Sen

ra gixaroda, Se upatronoo,

_ hkiTxes ilikom da

ilarionma zurikelas.

zurikela Seyvarebuli

iyo da es uxaroda, magram

amas, am daqceuli qveynis

prezidents, ra uxariao? _

ikiTxavs mkiTxveli.

ra uxaria da esec Seyvarebulia,

oRond merize

ki ara sakuTar Tavzea Seyvarebuli

da kaxeTSi datrialebuli

ubedurebiT sakuTari

TavisTvis kargi piaris

gakeTebis sababi mieca.

ai, esaa, rom uxaria da

amiTaa, bednieri rom aris...

_ uprecedento daxmareba

gaeweva kaxeTs, imisTana

daxmareba gaeweva, jer rom

saqarTveloSi aravisTvis

gauweviaTo, _ ambobs afofinebuli

saakaSvili da

amayad CamoTvlis am uprecedento

daxmarebis detalebs

_ mTlad Zirfesvia-

nadamogdebulebs 1500 lari,

saSualod gaCanagebulebs

_

1000, ase Tu ise

suli rom udgaT,

imaT 300-

500 lari da

zed kidev cotaodeni

fqvili,

cotac Saqari da makaroni.

ai, amas hqvia, Zmao, namdvilad

arnaxuli daxmareba.

yoCaR! yoCaR! yoCaR!

kaxelebs uxariaT, magram

is ar ician, ra

qristes tirili da

godeba idga am dReebSi

eliavas bazrobaze, didubis

pavilionebSi, saidanac

gazida xelisufleba,

kaxeTisTvis

Casatani samSeneblo masalebi

da produqtebi.

_ axla nisiad gagvataneT

saqoneli da

dRe-dReze yvelafers

uklebliv aginazRaurebTo,

_ eubnebodnen

Turme xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi samSeneblo

masalebis Tu

sakvebi produqtebis

patronebs da Tanxmobasac

ki ar elodebodnen, ise

tvirTavdnen satvirTo manqanebs.

_ kaxeTis stiqiam kaxelebi

ki ara Cvenc dagvaqcia,

eseni risi gadamxdelebi

arian... daviRupeT... gav-

ratom dadis saakaSvili bednieri

saxiT stiqiisgan aoxrebul kaxeTSi?

kotrdiTo, _ mosTqvamen

Turme dacarielebul sawyobebTan

Tu daxlebTan

mdgari adamianebi.

arsena oZelaSvili

mdidrebs ar-

Tmevda da Raribebs

aZlevda, es xelisufleba

ki Raribebs

xdis da Raribebs

acmevs, mere

imaTac gaxdis da

sxva Raribebs acmevs,

aba, sakuTari

jibisken ki ar waucdebaT

xeli...

am mravaljer gatyavebul

qveyanas kidev erTxel

rom atyavebT da Tan imas

rom gaiZaxiT, qvelmoqmedebas

veweviTo, Tqveni seifebi

gaxseniT, Tqve unamusoebo,

milionebi da miliar-

debi rom gaqvT Sig `CapaWkuli~.

gaxseniT da daubruneT

xalxs, rac xalxs waarTviT.

biZina ivaniSvilma aTi

milioni Caricxa jarimis

saxiT sasamarTlos mier

miTiTebul angariSze _ dazaralebulebs

moaxmareTo.

_ 100-150 milioni mainc

dagvWirdeba, imxela

zarali ganvicadeT, _ Cailaparaka

saakaSvilma, ri-

Tac erTgvari mesiji gaugzavna

ivaniSvils_ eg aTi

milioni ras gveyofa, kidev

maitao.

roca qveyanas uWirs, saakaSvilis

maitas Tqma raSi

sWirdeba biZina ivaniSvils,

man im dResve, rogorc ki

es ambavi moxda, Tanagunde-

Jvania-saakaSvilis `arwivebi~ qarTuli

Jurnalistikis moqufrul caze

_ rogor fiqrobT, biZina

ivaniSvili ruseTis kacia?

_ ekiTxeboda ivaniSvilis

mxardamWerad cnobili

erT-erTi opoziciuri telearxis

aseve cnobili

Jurnalisti qarTlis soflebis

mosaxleobas.

amgvarad kiTxvis dasmisas

xom gacilebiT metia

albaToba, rom respondentisgan

`dadebiT~ pasuxs

anu dasturs miiRebT _ diax,

ivaniSvili ruseTis kacia!

hoda, iRebda kidevac

cnobili Jurnalisti umravles

SemTxvevaSi aseT pasuxebs,

is ki mainc jiutad

agrZelebda _ biZina vaniSvili

ruseTis kacia? biZina

ivaniSvili ruseTis kacia?

biZina ivaniSvili ruseTis

kacia?

biZina ivaniSvili rom

ruseTis kaci ar aris, amis

cocxal `argumentad~ gonebamaxvil

Jurnalists

erTi veterani samxedro

piri hyavda Cayvanili _ bi-

Zina ivaniSvili rom ruse-

Tis kaci iyos, es veterani

ruseTis kacs mxars rogor

dauWerdao?

ver getyviT, ramdenad

damajerebeli iyo es argumenti,

miT umetes im adamianebisTvis,

romlebsac kargad

axsovT Tu rogor

ubaTqunebda veterani samxedro

piri zarbazans damoukidebeli

saqarTvelos axlad

amoyvanil kedlebs da,

nebsiT Tu uneblieT, ro-

lebs daavala, forma moZebneT,

rom kaxeTs rogorme

davexmaroTo.

formac moiZebna, aTi milionic

Cairicxa da iqve

iTqva, rom, roca zarali

daiTvleba, imave meTodiT

kidev iqneba gaRebuli seriozuli

Tanxebi, rom gasaWirSi

Cavardnil adamianebs

seriozuli daxmareba

gaewios.

_ jarimis fulia eg da

am saqmisTvis rogor gavxarjoTo,

_ xelebs Slian

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi

da Tvalebs

miamitad afaxuleben.

kaco, Tqven eqstremalurisituaciebisTvisgankuTvnil

im 100 milionis

koncertebze,

`paezdkebze~, aTasgvar

sisuleleze

daxarjva moaxerxeT

da davijero, imas

ver moaxerxebT,

rom Tundac er-

Txel keTili saqme

gaakeToT da keTil-

Sobili kacis mier

mocemuli fuli im

adamianebs gadasceT,

visTvisac is aris gankuTvnili?!

sxva araferSi ar uqnixarT

RmerTs, magram fostalionebadac

ar vargixarT,

Tqve mamacxonebulebo?

gor uxarebda amiT guls

rusebs.

biZina ivaniSvili ruse-

Tis ki ara, TxemiT terfamde

rom saqarTvelos kacia,

amis dasamtkiceblad an am

saCoTiro kiTxvis dasma, an

am veteranis Sewuxeba ra

saWiro iyo?

rac Seexeba pativcemul

Jurnalists, Jurnalisti

dilidan gvian Ramemde imas

gvimtkicebs, rom Zalian, Zalian

uyvars amerika, magram

uyvars Tu ara saqarTvelo,

amis garkveva jerjerobiT

ver SevZeliT...

dabolos: qarTuli teleJurnalistikismoqufrul

caze dRemde Jvania-saakaSvilis

mier dafrTianebuli

`arwivebi~ dafrinaven,

romlebsac arwivobis

bevri araferi scxiaT, magram

Zveli `didebis~ uRim-

Ramo anarekliT dRemde

`iolad~ gadian.

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4 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

gvesaubreba iuristi, samarTlis

eqqsperti koba kapanaZe

_ batono koba, axlaxan gamoqveynda

NDI-is kvlevebis Sedegebi,

sadac koalicia `qarTuli ocnebis~

reitingebi mkveTrad sWarbobs

`nacionaluri moZraobis~

reitings, xolo saakaSvili mniSvnelovnad

CamorCeba biZina ivaniSvils.

Tqveni azriT, sazogadoeba ase

calsaxadaa ganwyobili orive politikuri

figuris mimarT?

_ar gamovricxav, rom ase

iyos, radgan piradad batoni bi-

Zina ivaniSvilis reitingi araTu

nacionaluri moZraobis, aramed

mixeil saakaSvilis reitingsac

bevrad sWarbobs. prezidentma Tavis

gundSi dakarga ukve ndoba da

sazogadoeba rom ar endobodes,

amaSi arc araferia gasakviri. Cven

arc is unda gagvikvirdes, rom

biZina ivaniSvilis reitingi ufro

maRali aRmoCndes, vidre nacmoZraobis

da koalicia `qarTuli

ocnebis~ reitingebi erTad aRebuli.

ivaniSvilis mimarT xalxSi

ndobasTan erTad, didi molodinebia.

`nacionaluri moZraobisgan~

gansxvavebiT, romlmac xalxs

Tavisi saqmeebiT Tavi ukve daamaxsovra.

kargad Tu cudad, es sxva

ambavia. da saerTod, rodesac

Cven, `NDI~ an IRI-s reitingebze

vsaubrobT, ratomRac mgonia, rom

am kvlevis SedegebiT, amomrCevlebze

metad, politikosebi interesdebian.

etyoba, am wlebis man-

Zilze orive organizaciis mimarT

raRac stereotipebi Camoyalibda.

albaT, politikosebi am kvlevis

SedegebiT amomrCevlebze metad

amerikis sruliad konkretuli

wreebis maTdami mxardaWeris xarisxs

zomaven.

_ Tqven `qarTuli ocnebis~

mimarT aSkara simpaTiebs gamoxatavT.

_ ratom ase kategoriulad?!

pirvel rigSi, minda giTxraT,

rom yovelTvis davuWer mxars

progress, cvlilebas, romelic

situaciis gajansaRebisken iqneba

mimarTuli. Cemi apolitikuroba

aqamde imiT ki ar iyo ganpirobebuli

rom me interesi davkarge

SeZlebisdagvarad gamekeTebina ra-

ime Cemi qveynis ganviTarebisTvis,

aramed imiT, rom arasodes mivi-

Rebdi monawileobas imaSi, rac

prezident saakaSvils demokratiulobis

fasadis SeqmnaSi Seuwyobda

xels. dainteresebulma

adamianebma kargad ician, rom me

mixeil saakaSvils, Tundac “vardebis

revoluciamdec” sajarod

vupirispirdebodi. rogorc axla,

maSinac mimaCnda - is iyo damangreveli

Zala. bunebiT damangrevel

kacs ki ar SeiZleba saxelmwifos

saZirkvlis Cayris dros

qveynis marTva miando. magram mas

Semdeg imdeni dro gavida, Tanac

Cemgan, miTumetes am konteqstSi,

amaze saubari cota uxerxulic

SeiZleba iyos.

saakaSvili wasvliT ki wava, magram

mTavaria, ukan ar mobrundes...

_ bevrisgan mogvismenia: biZina

ivaniSvili ki aris politikaSi

axali saxe, magram mis garemocva-

Si Zveli politikuri personebi

sWarboben. Tqven weRan TqviT,

rom momxre xarT yovelgvari axlis

da progresulis. Zveli politikuri

Zalebi axal politikas

Seqmnian?

_ darwmunebuli var imaSi,

rom biZina ivaniSvilis saarCevno

sia iqneba im tipis Sansi da gar-

Rveva am qveynisTvis, rogoric bolo

10 weliwadia ar gvqonia.

Cvens qveyanas kidev erTi Sansi

sWirdeba, erTi amosunTqva, rom

xalxic welSi gaimarTos. dReis

mdgomareobiT, amis gakeTebis politikuri

resursi, yvelam kargad

viciT, visac aqvs. warmatebis

miRweva ki mxolod am gziT SeiZleba.

araerTxel miTqvams da kidev

erTxel gavimeoreb: arsebuli politikuri

elitis udidesma umravlesobam,

praqtikulad, amowura

Tavisi SesaZleblobebi da eqvemdebareba

rotacias. arsebul

politikur elitas aRar ZaluZs

politikur procesebSi seriozuli

cvlilebebis Setana... maT

aRar SeuZliaT raime sikeTe moutanon

saqarTvelos saxelmwifos.

rac Seexeba axal politikur

ZalaSi Zveli politikuri personebis

sWarbes. geTanxmebiT, es

aris erTgvari argumenti. magram

Cvenc yvelafers Casafrebuli kacis

poziciebidan nu ganvixilavT.

mimaCnia, koaliciaSi Semavali politikuri

subieqtebi, yvelani

raRacis gamo iqnen SerCeulni.

ase rom, Cemi azriT, koaliciaSi

zogi imitom Seiyvanes, rom raRacis

keTeba SeuZlia da zogic imitom,

rom araferi gaefuWebinaT,

rac politikaSi sulac ar niSnavs

cota rames. dRemde es taqtika,

Tu es gaTvla iyo, e.i. amar-

Tlebs.

am yvelafris fonze ki ivaniSvili

ukve Sedga, rogorc poli-

tikosi. Cemi azriT,

es TandaTan

misi sajaro gamosvlebis

xarisxzec

aisaxa! xolo mavan-

Ta gauTavebli qirqili,

ivaniSvili

araa kargi oratorio,

mxolod ususurTa

da ugunur-

Ta argumentad unda

CavTvaloT.

erTxel da samudamodD

Cvens

Secdomebze mainc

viswavloT raRac

da swori daskvnebi

gavakeToT. amitomac

vambob – dReis

mdgomareobiT, Cven gviwevs ar-

Cevanis gakeTeba erTis mxriv,

gulwrfelobas, progress, ganaxlebas,

romlis simbolod pirobi-

Tad SeiZleba batoni ivaniSvili

ganvixiloT da, meres mxriv,

`kargad~ molaparake, magram

matyuara saakaSvils Soris, romelic

sxvadasxva xrikebiT, maT

Soris “ukana karebidan” Semoparvis

gziT cdilobs darCes xelisuflebaSi

da amiT saqarTvelos

ganviTarebis axal etapze gadasvlis

Sansi sabolood mouspos.

_`vardebis revoluciis~ Semdeg

axal qarTul saxelmwifos

saakaSvilis da misi mTavrobis

sityvebs Tu gamoviyenebT, mudmivi

brZola uxdeboda `qveynis moRalate~

Siga mtrebTan da gare imperiul

agresiasTan ruseTis saxiT.

aseTi iyo da aris saxelmwifoebrivi

ritorika dResac. Tu

ferxdeboda qveynis winsvla, swored

amis gamo ferxdebodao... agvisto

modis, 8-Si im saSineli

omis oTxi wlisTavia...

_ saakaSvilis mier Sida

mtrebTan gaCaRebuli brZola ise-

Ti sakiTxia, rac politikuri

analizis sferos scdeba da igi

medikosebis kvlevis sagans unda

warmoadgendes. es diagnozia da

amas fsiqiatriaSi paranoias uwodeben.

rac Seexeba sagareo mtrebs.

2008 wlis 8 agvistos omi iyo

udidesi tragedia. saakaSvilma Tavisi

daufiqrebeli, afeqturi moqmedebebiT

xalxTa daSoriSorebasa

da agresiis provocirebas Seuwyo

regionSi xeli. rac moxda 2008

wels, es Cven yvelam kargad viciT.

misma gauazrebelma qmedebebma

gamoiwvia didi ubedureba.

_ arCevnebi axlovdeba, Tqveni

azriT, ras moimoqmedebs saakaSvili?

_ saakaSvilma, iseve, rogorc

misi politikuri gundis udidesma

umralesobam amowura SesaZleblobebi.

maT sargeblis motana

ukve aRar SeuZliaT arc im

calkeuli gaerTianebisTvisac,

vis interesebSic Sedioda maTi

xelisuflebaSi yofna. saakaSvili

umniSvnelo paikia, romelsac

aRar scnoben. ufro metic, mas

arc molaparakebis magidasTan daisvamen.

radgan man moaxerxa Seeqmna

iseTi kacis imiji, romelTan

saubarsac ara aqvs azri, romelic

miRebul gadawyvetilebebs

da SeTanxmebebs arasdros asrulebs.

saerTod, mimaCnia, rom dRes

es ar aris mTavari salaparako

Tema, magram, radgan axal realobaze

visaubreT, neba-uneblied mivadeqiT

isev ruseT-saqarTvelos

Soris xelovnurad Seqmnil politikur

Cixs.

_ rogor unda gamovideT am

mdgomareobidan?

_ Cven Cvens sazogadoebas meti

sinaTle unda mivceT, meti samoqalaqo

gaTviTcnobierebuloba

unda SevZinoT. nu vumalavT

xalxs Tundac imas, risi gacxadebac

arc erT politikur Zalas

zians ar moutans. Zalauflebis

mopovebis, iseve, rogorc misi SenarCunebis

procesi saqarTveloSi

aris seriozuli problema da es

sazogadoebis arainformirebulobaze

da srul dabnelebazea orientirebuli.

ra gaakeTa saakaSvilma 8 agvistos

gauazrebeli provokaciiT?

man, faqtobrivad, gaSifra

aSS-is politikuri interesebi

regionSi, Ria da cxadi gaxada

yvelaferi. ramdenime Tvis win

kondoliza raisma Tqva: msoflios

ori udidesi saxelmwifo ase

axlos da pirispir arasdros yofila

erTmaneTTan civi omis Semdeg,

rogorc es saqarTveloSi

2008 wlis omis dros iyoo.

_ saakaSvilis ritorikaSi

TandaTan gaCnda iniciativebi saxalxo

diplomatiis CarTvaze

konfliqtebis mogvarebis kuTxiT.

ras fiqrobT amis Sesaxeb?

_ saxalxo diplomatiaze

ager xuTi dRis win daiwyo laparaki

saakaSvilma, maSin roca es

ukve Zalian dagvianebulia. arada,

saxalxo diplomatia unda yofi-

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

www.saertogazeti.net

SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze

liyo am konfliqtSi erT-erTi

mTavari rgoli. mas unda Seeqmna

axali konstruqciebi axali xidebisTvis.

magram xom kargad vxedavT,

rogor zaraldeba saqarTvelo

wlebis ganmavlobaSi misi gauazrebeli,

ukonteqsto gancxadebebiTa

da gadawyvetilebebiT,

omobanas TamaSiT, absoluturad

ususuri, sasacilo samxedro ritorikiT.

dagvianebulia axla es

yvelaferi _ am urTierTobebis

dalagebis SesaZlebloba mxolod

axal xelisuflebas eqneba! saakaSvilma

saomari moqmedebebis

dawyebis dResve amowura Tavisi

SesaZleblobebi. rodesac sakuTari

mosaxleoba mZime artileriiT

dabomba. kargad davakvirdeT, medvedevi

maSin axali mosuli iyo

da Sida situaciebis formaluri

dalagebac ki ar hqonda dawyebuli.

amitom erTgvari “gaCaliCeba”

iyo is, rac saakaSvilma 8 agvistos

gaakeTa. es saxelmwifoTaSorisi

urTierTobebis piradSi gadatanas

niSnavda. ramac, Tavis

mxriv, daZaba da gaafuWa adamianu-

ri damokidebulebebi. ra Tqma unda,

SemdgomSi es dadebiTad ar

aisaxa qveynebs Soris urTierTobebzec.

_ arCevnebi gadawyvets bevr

rames, anu am arCevnebiT Cven Cveni

qveynis beds vwyvetT, faqtobrivad.

_ ra Tqma unda!

_ axal qarTul politikur

mmarTvelobas endoba `Zveli~ amerikuli

an rusuli saxelmwifo

elita?

_ Tu aravin ar daiwyo erTmaneTTan

laparaki, urTierTobebi

ar Seiqmneba. saqarTvelos xalxi

visac ndobas gamoucxadebs, imas

daelaparakebian Cveni megobrebic

da mezoblebic. es, dRevandelisgan

gansxvavebuli, sul sxva realoba

iqneba!

_ rogor fiqrobT, batono

koba, qarTveli xalxi am arCevnebze

swor gadawyvetilebas miiRebs

da bolos da bolos mSvidobianad

wava saakaSvili?

_ jer erTi, me darwmunebuli

var, rom xalxi swor arCevans

gaakeTebs. meore, rac Seexeba saakaSvils,

mas aravin ar ekiTxeba

wava Tu darCeba, es Cveni amomr-

Cevlebis gadasawyvetia da igi

amas unda Seeguos.

saakaSvili wava, aucileblad

wava! oRond rogor wava, es misi

arCevanic iqneba. es iqneba gonieri

Tu ugunuri gadawyvetileba,

am etapze Zneli saTqmelia.

iranda kalandaZe


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

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``qqaarrTTuullii ooccnneebbaa__ddeemmookkrraattiiuullii

ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss~~ ppoolliitt..ssaabbWWooss

wweevvrrii irakli sesiaSvili::

_ irakli, stiqiam kaxeTis

regioni mTlianad gaanadgura, ra

viTarebaa am etapze?

_ pirvel rigSi, unda giTxraT,

rom kaxeTSi datrialebuli tragediis

uSualo monawile var. TiTqmis

ori Tvea TelavSi vcxovrob,

`qarTuli ocnebis~ kaxeTis Stabis

ufrosi gaxlavarT. am stiqiis epicentrSi

movyevi, Cemi TvaliT vnaxe,

ra tragediac kaxeTs daatyda.

Zalian gamiWirdeba, sityvebiT gadmovce

stiqiis Sedegad mosaxleobisadmi

miyenebuli tramva, zarali.

kaxeTs aseTi ram ar axsovs. viTareba

ukiduresad mwvavea, mosaxleobam

seriozuli zarali ganicada.

mosaxleobis didi nawili absoluturad

uarafrod darCa, zogs saxli

aqvs bankSi Cadebuli, kreditebiT

ki nakveTebi, yanebi, venaxebi

aqvT moyvanili da uceb, erT Rame-

Si es yvelaferi gaqra. xelisuflebam

es momenti, marTlac sakuTari

piarisTvis gamoiyena, magram mosaxleoba

politikur procesebSi imdenadaa

gaTviTcnobierebuli, rom

Tundac daxmarebas aRiqvams ara rogorc

xelisuflebis mxridan

mzrunvelobas da keTil nebas, aramed

politikuri simwvavis Sedegs,

ris gamoc xelisufleba iZulebulia

es nabijebi gadadgas. rom ara

biZina ivaniSvili da politikurad

aqtiuri periodi, mosaxleoba darwmunebulia,

rom xelisufleba maTken

arc ki gaixedavda. am viTareba-

Si xelisuflebam icis, rom Tu

xalxs ar daexmara, im Zalian dabal

mxardaWerasac dakargavs, rac dReis

mdgomareobiT aqvs. TelavSi mobilizebulia

policia, jari, probaciis

samsaxuri, dasufTavebis samsaxuri

da a.S. am adamianebs Telavelebis

saxeliT, marTlac gulwrfel

madlobas vuxdi gaweuli daxmarebisTvis,

magram, rac Seexeba mosaxleobis

daxmarebas, Zalian bevr

ojaxSi isini arc ki misulan.

_ aba, ras akeTeben dazaralebul

mxareSi Camosuli maRalCinosnebi?

_ Telavi gavsebulia lendkruizeris

jipebiT, amdeni jipi,

simarTle giTxraT, erTad arasodes

minaxavs. TiTo 70-80 aTasi

dolari Rirs. maT Soris, restornebis

win dgas am jipebis sak-

maod didi rigi. pirdapir geubnebiT,

dilis 10 saaTze rom Cavedi

(TelavSi Casvlamde `SuamTa~ unda

gaiaroT), mTeli samTavrobo

jipebi iq idgnen.

_ ki, magram, xalxis dasaxmareblad

Camovidnen Tu saqeifod?

_ Cveni maRalCinosnebi iq fizikur

Sromas rom ar gaweven, albaT

xvdebiT, xolo sxva, aba, ra

unda gaakeTon?! rac Seexeba Seqmnil

viTarebas, vimeoreb, mosaxleobam

Zalian seriozuli zarali

miiRo. xelisufleba ki isev fasadur

daxmarebas apirebs.

_ fasadur daxmarebaSi ras

gulisxmob?

_ vTqvaT, visac saxuravi aqvs

dazianebuli, SekeTebas hpirdebian.

zogs marTlac ukeTeben, magram

es xom Cveulebrivi movlenaa, xelisuflebam

es piarad rogor unda

aqcios?! roca stiqia, ubedureba

xdeba, unda daexmaro saku-

Tar xalxs, swored amaSi vuxdiT

maT fuls da ara imaSi, rom 10

cali lend-kruizeri iyidon. mosaxleobas

exmarebian 2 litri

zeTiT, 5 kilo SaqriT, 5 kg. makaroniT.

es, ra Tqma unda arasakmarisia,

magram ki, batono, raRac

daxmareba aris. minda giTxraT,

rom Telavs deni dRemde ar miewodeba.

Tumca, is adamianebi vinc

iq Sromas ewevian, policielebi,

jari, eleqtrikosebi da a.S. namdvilad

dasafasebelni arian. maT

sadac ki Sevxvdebodi yovelTvis

piradad madlobas vuxdidi.

_ irakli, ramdenad sakmarisia

is fuladi daxmareba, rasac xelisufleba

stiqiiT dazaralebul

mosaxleobas hpirdeba?

_ merabiSvilma Tqva: vinc SedarebiT

naklebi ziani miiRo, 300

lariT davexmarebiT, xolo vinc

Zalian dazaralda 1500 lars mivcemTo.

mosaxleobis didma nawilma

1500 lari mxolod 1000 kv. mze

daxarja, maT aTasobiT heqtrobiT

miwebi aqvT da zarali 10

aTasobiT miiRes. faqtobrivad,

1500 lari SesaZloa, kreditis

procentisTvisac ki ar eyoT. xelisufleba

ki eubneba kreditis

gadaxdis vadas 1 wliT gadagivadebTo.

SexedeT, ra xdeba? _ adamianma

erT RameSi yvelaferi dakarga

da bunebrivia, igi am valis

gadamxdeli araa. momaval wels

arsebuli xexili, vazi da a.S.

araTu 80-procentian 50-procentian

mosavalsac ki ver miscems

maT. yvelaferi miwasTanaa gasworebuli

da sul Tavidanaa yvelafris

moSeneba dasawyebi. erTi

wlis Semdeg rogor

unda dafaron vali,

es xom zRaparia?! gamoricxuliamosaxleobam

rames gadaxda

SeZlos.

_ rogorc cnobilia,

mosaxleobis

daxmarebaze biZina

ivaniSvilma sruli

mzadyofna gamoTqva...

_ biZina ivaniSvils

surs mosaxleobas

daexmaros ara

moCvenebiT, piaru-

lad, aramed realurad, raTa es

adamianebi SimSilis zRvarze ar

aRmoCndnen. samwuxarod, mas ar

aqvs samarTlebrivi saSualeba,

raTa am adamianebs daxmareba uSualod

gauwios, imitom, rom xelisuflebis

mier miRebuli drakonuli

kanonebis Tanaxmad, qveyanaSi

sikeTis gakeTeba ikrZaleba, mxolod

xelisuflebas SeuZlia piaris

keTeba. amitom, erTaderTi

forma, rac iuridiulad moiZebna,

isaa, rom ivaniSvilma jarima gadaixados

da igi pirdapir unda

wavides im fondSi, romlidanac

stiqiiT dazaralebulTa uzrunvelyofa

xdeba. ivaniSvilma 10 milioni

ukve gadaricxa da kidev

gadaricxavs imdens, ramdenic sa-

Wiro iqneba am mosaxleobis srulad

kompesirebisTvis, raTa rac

maT dakarges imis anazRaureba

srulad moxdes. `qarTuli ocnebis~

Stabebi aRvricxavT mosaxleobisTvis

miyenebul zarals, mudmiv

kontrols gavwevT, raTa mosaxleobis

sruli kompensireba

moxdes. imitom, rom ivaniSvili

ixdis am fuls, imisTvis, rom am

adamianebs stiqiiT miyenebuli zarali

srulad aunazRaurdeT. samomavlo

reabilitaciaSic `qar-

Tuli ocneba~ Tavis wvlils Seitans.

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis

SemTxvevaSi, ara mxolod stiqiiT

miyenebuli zaralis likvidacias

movaxdenT, aramed prevenciuli

RonisZiebebis gatarebas daviwyebT.

mudmiv kontrolze gveyoleba

xelisufleba, raTa kompensaciebi

sworad gascen. vinc am

xelisuflebis mier yuradRebis

miRma darCeba da daxmarebas ver

miiRebs, vpirdebiT maT, rom ar

mivatovebT da xelisuflebaSi

mosvlis SemTxvevaSi, yvelafers

gavukeTebT. es davaleba piradad

batoni biZinasgan miviReT.

_ ramdenime dRis win batonma

biZinam Tavad moinaxula dazaralebuli

regioni.

_ diax, man mTeli kaxeTi Semoiara,

viyaviT TelavSi, gurjaan-

Si, lagodexSi, SevxvdiT mosaxleobas,

movinaxuleT yvela dazaralebuli

adgili. batoni biZina

Zalian Sewuxda am yvelafris Semxedvare.

Tumca, pirdapir getyviT,

miuxedavad im piar-kampaniebisa,

rasac xelisufleba eweva (mosaxleoba

ki iZulebulia es minimaluri

daxmareba miiRos), biZinas

gamoCeniT igrZnoboda, rom xalxs

misi imedi hqonda da ara xelisuflebis.

mosaxleobam aRniSna,

rom ivaniSvilis mosvla maTTvis

ukve realobas niSnavda, imedi gauCndaT,

rom namdvilad miiRebdnen

daxmarebas. vimeoreb, xelisuflebis

mxridan gaJRerebuli daxmare-

bebi, ubralod, sasacilo da gaugebaria.

xelisufleba ambobs, vinc

100-procentiani zarali miiRo

1500 lars mivcemTo. 100 procentiT

SeiZleba damiziandes 10 kv.m.

nakveTi an 20 heqtari miwa, amas

ra mniSvneloba aqvs, erTzec da

meorezec xom kreditia aRebuli?!

ivaniSvilma Tqva, rom yurZnis

(rqawiTeli) fasi, minimum, lari

unda iyoso da subsidireba saxelmwifom

unda moaxdinoso, ra-

Ta glexma minimum lari aiRos.

xelisufleba Cvens programebs da

ideebs mere TviTon aJRerebs. ga-

biZina ivaniSvili da koalicia

`qarTuli ocneba~ kaxelebs

gasaWirSi ar miatovebs

movida merabiSvili da Tqva _

Rvino unda dagirigoTo.

_ prezidentma ganacxada, rom

Tu venaxi ara, yvela ojaxSi Rvino

unda iyoso. ras gulisxmoben

amaSi, mosaxleobas Rvinis saxiT

srulad aunazRaureben danakargs,

rac maT yurZnis mosavlidan unda

mieRoT?

_ esec, ra Tqma unda, piaris

nawilia. Rvinis darigebas im mas-

StabebiT ki ar apireben, rac mosaxleobam

izarala, aramed axal

wels TiTo Wiqa SesviTo. albaT,

3-4 boTls daurigeben. nu Seuracxyofen

kaxelebs, aseT dapirebas

da piars sjobs, pirSi

uTxran am adamianebs, rom maTTvis

arafris gakeTebas ar apireben.

ivaniSvilma 10 milioni xom

daamata, magram sad Cans es Tanxa?!

_ irakli, marTlac rogor gaakontrolebT

xelisuflebam es

Tanxebi namdvilad mimarTa Tu ara

mosaxleobis dasaxmareblad?

_ mTeli saqarTvelos masStabiT

gvyavs mxardamWerebi, romlebic

Semoivlian TiToeul ojaxs

da aRweren _ Tu ra zarali mii-

Res. visac Weri Camoeqca, aveji,

yvelaferi moespo, xelisufleba

mxolod fasads ulamazebs, Wers

uxuravs da meti araferi. Cven unda

vaiZuloT xelisufleba mosaxleobamde

srulad mivides daxmareba,

Tu ara da mzad unda viyoT,

rom am adamianebs Tavad davexmaroT.

_ irakli, xom ar aris imis

safrTxe, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~

aqtivistebs, xelisuflebis zonderebma

provokacia mouwyon, Tu

dainteresdebian mivida Tu ara

adresatamde daxmareba?

_ mglis SiSiT cxvari aravis

gauwyvetia, Cven sakuTari xalxi

gvainteresebs da ara zonderebi.

Tumca, am xelisuflebidan, ra

Tqma unda, yvela mxridan provokaciaa

mosalodneli. dRes xeli-

saerTo gazeTi

sufleba aris im viTarebaSi, rodesac

sakuTari skamis gadasarCenad

yvela umsgavsobaze, sibinZureze

midis. ivaniSvilTan erTad

kaxeTis regionebSi rom davdiodiT,

`real-tv~-is Jurnalistebi

`nac.moZraobas~ atyobinebdnen

Cveni adgilmdebareobis Sesaxeb

da adgilobrivi xelisufleba

ciskariSvilTan, darCiaSvilTan,

balavaZesTan erTad wamSi iq

Cndebodnen. Semdeg xelisuflebis

propagandistulma arxebma

gaavrceles, TiTqos ivaniSvili

iq midioda, sadac xelisufleba

iyo. arada, Cven swored iseTi

adgilebi movinaxuleT, sadac xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi

saerTod ar yofilan. ra ubedurebaa

es?! Tu marTla xalxze

arian orientirebulni, gaixadon

is TeTri perangebi, nu Sevlen

restoranSi da realurad daexmaron

xalxs. eseni kidev Cven

dagvxvdnen, provokaciebs gviwyobdnen

da Cvens aqtivistebs Seuracxyofas

ayenebdnen. amas xalxi

Zalian kargad xedavs. ufro metic,

erTi-ori adgilidan, mosaxleobam

`nacionalebi~ lanZRva-ginebiT

gamoyares. isini mxolod

Semdeg kiTxvas svamdnen _

ras SegpirdaT biZina? da ara

imas: ra giWirT, rogor dagexmaroTo.

_ ivaniSvilma 10 milioni jarimis

saxiT gadaixada, Tumca vinaa

garantori, rom iq gadaricxuli

Tanxa namdvilad dazaralebulebamde

miaRwevs?

_ xelisufleba, romelic qveyanaze,

mosaxleobaze zrunavs, gana

ar unda movides ivaniSvilTan

madlobis saTqmelad da ar unda

uTxras mas _ ai, ama da am mimar-

TulebiT gviWirs da iqneb dagvexmaroo?!

kompania, `elita-burji~,

romelic ivaniSvilTanaa gaigivebuli

uprecedento SesaZleblobebs

flobs saxlebis gadaxurvis,sareabilitacio-saremonto

samuSaoebis ganxorcielebis

kuTxiT, romelic dRes dayadaRebulia,

boqlomi adevs. arada,

mTeli es teqnika, wesiT, dRes kaxeTSi

unda iyos mobilizebuli.

Tu marTla ase wuxs xalxze, xom

SeuZlia yadaRa mogvixsnan, xalxisaTvis

daxmarebis saSuleba

mogvcen, sul nu axseneben biZina

ivaniSvils, Tavad gamoiyenon es

transporti?! magram ar undaT

ase moqceva imitom, rom SiSi

aqvT es Cven piarSi ar Cagveweros.

qveyana umZimes mdgomareoba-

Sia, guli mogikvdeba kaxeTis raionis

Semxedvares. am dros rogor

SeiZleba sikeTis gamkeTebels

amaSi xeli SeuSalo?! Tu

marTla xalxi uyvarT, unda gamovidnen

da Tqvan _ modiT, droebiT

piar-kampaniebi SevwyvitoT,

yvelam erTi maisuri CavicvaT, mas

saqarTvelo davaweroT da ganur-

Cevlad politikuri Sexedulebebisa,

erTad davdgeT da davexmaroT

xalxs. es ar esmis xelisuflebas,

igi yvelgan mters xedavs,

sadac TviTon ar aris.

Tamar SveliZe

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6 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

saqarTvelos amJamindeli

xelisufleba, faqtobrivad

ruseTis xelisuflebis gagrZelebaa

gvesaubreba mwerali

merab SaTiriSvili.

- batono merab, saqarTvelos

mosaxleoba marTalia, biZina ivaniSvils

endoba da mxars uWers,

magram ar mowons `qarTuli ocnebis~

mier wardgenili zogier-

Ti maJoritarobis kandidati. ar

meTanxmebiT, rom batonma biZinam

amomrCevlis azric unda gaiziaros?

- Cemi pozicia erTmniSvnelovania

imasTan dakavSirebiT,

rom maJoritarobis kandidatebis

mimarT ukmayofilo damokidebulebis

safuZveli im xalxisgan

modis, visac Tavad surda maJoritaroba,

magram ar iqnen kandidatebad

moazrebulni. erTi

sityviT, es pirad ambiciebze

agebuli ukmayofilebaa. gori iqneba,

xaSuri, marneuli Tu xaragauli,

Tu iqaurebs ar mowonT

biZina ivaniSvilis dasaxelebuli

deputatobis kandidati, vinc

mowonT, im adamians mouwodon,

rom im armowonebul kandidats

daudges gverdiT da minusebi

amiT Seivsos. dRes ar aris imaze

saubris dro, mainc da mainc

me gavimarjvebdi, me myavs iq didi

eleqtoratio. aq aris erTi

mniSvnelovani faqtori, rasac

yuradRebas aravin aqcevs, opoziciurad

ganwyobili mosaxleoba

erTmniSvnelovnad mainc

opoziciur kandidats miscems

xmas. nacmoZraobis

eleqtorats veRar gadmoibireb,

magram ama Tu im raion-

Si ganwesebuli deputatobis

kandidati Tu ver SeZlebs

mosaxleobis im nawilis Semobrunebas,

romelsac me

30%-s veZaxi, anu mouxmobeli

rasac hqvia, swored kandidatobaze

pretenziis mqone

pirovneba da xalxi unda daudgnen

mas gverdiT, rom es

xalxi Semoabrunon da gaamarjvebinon.

merwmuneT, es

marto im kandidatis an biZina

ivaniSvilis gamarjveba ki

ara, im ideis gamarjvebaa,

romelic yvela Cvenganis

gulSi iyo, magram ver vaxorcielebdiT,

radgan teroris

qveS viyaviT. sabednierod,

uceb gamoCnda kaci Tavisi

avtoritetiTa da resursiT,

romelmac gviTxra, Tqvens

gverdiT vdgebi, vebrZvi am xelisuflebas

da gamomyeviT am

brZolaSio. mTeli misi moRvaweoba

da politikaSi Semosvla

imaze metyvelebs, rom man qarTveli

eris gulisTqma gamoxata.

aq mTavari isaa, rom batonma bi-

Zinam sasworze dado yofna-ar-

yofnis zRvarze daayena Tavisi

warsuli, momavali, qvelmoqmedebisgan

Seqmnili resursi. roca

mixvdebi, rom am kacTanaa simar-

Tle da am simarTles gayvebi,

Sens adgils ipovi am brZolaSi.

ra mniSvneloba aqvs, maJoritarobis

kandidatad dagiZaxeben

Tu ara, arc imas aqvs didi mniSvneloba

vin Seva parlamentSi,

mTavaria, simarTlem gaimarjvos.

biZina ivaniSvilma qarTul yofasa

da politikaSi gamefebul

sibneleSi imedi Semoitana mis

mier gadadgmuli principuli nabijebiT,

amitomac is, marto romelime

politikuri partiis an

aliansis liderad ki ara, saxalxo

liderad moiazreba.

- imis Tqma gindaT, rom ar

gagikvirdaT da guli ar dagwydaT,

roca maJoritarobis kandidatad

ar dagasaxeles?

- raxan soso jaWvliani da

luka kurtaniZe dasaxeldnen ma-

Joritarobis kandidatad da me

ara, amas, albaT, imitom mekiTxebiT.

Cveni sameuli xom im Tavganwiruli

msvlelobiT mainc moviazrebodiT

biZina ivaniSvilis

erTgul adamianebad. Cven am qmedebiT

marto biZina ivaniSvils

ki ar davuWireT mxari, aramed

usamarTlobis winaaRmdeg gavilaSqreT.

mere ra, rom soso da

luka daWirdaT da dauZaxes, me

ki ara, amiT araferi momxdara.

Tu avtoriteti gamaCnia, amas

isedac gamoviyeneb, sadac micnoben

da pativs mcemen, iq ufro

mets gavakeTeb. axla dasavleT

saqarTveloSi mivdivar, guriaSi

rac SemeZleba gavakeTeb, foTSic

Caval, Cemi winaprebi iq cxovrobdnen,

naTesavebi myavs, maTac

vnaxav da vetyvi, rogor iRupeba

Cveni qveyana. eka beselias yvelanairad

davudgebi gverdiT, misi

gamarjveba Cemi gamarjvebacaa,

radgan es saerTo saqmis gamarjvebaa.

- batono merab, Tqveni azriT,

sagareo faqtori Tu imoqmedebs

da am SemTxvevaSi, rogor

imoqmedebs arCevnebsa da mis Semdgom

ganviTarebul movlenebze?

- marTlac arsebobs imis sa-

SiSroeba, yovel SemTxvevaSi, xelisufleba

iseT mobilizebas

axdens, rom `nacmoZraoba~ arCevnebSi

rom damarcxdes, is am damarcxebas

ar cnobs da Zalas ga-

moiyenebs. Tu xelisufleba Zalismieri

meTodebiT Seecdeba

arCevnebis mogebas, piradad me

saxlSi ver davjdebi da ver davelodebi,

saakaSvili rogor wamarTmevs

xmas, quCaSi aucileblad

gamoval. CemsaviT SeiZleba

aTiaTasobiT adamiani gamovides

da aq ukve, biZina ivaniSvili

arafer SuaSi iqneba. marto is

ki ara, am process veRaravin gaakontrolebs.

swored am ukontrolobis

SemTxvevaSia provokacia

mosalodneli, TviTon xelisuflebisgan,

an samaCablodan Tu

Semovida iaraRi, vis daurigdeba,

kaciSvili ver gaigebs. SeiZleba,

es xelisuflebis gegmaSic zis,

am areulobiT SeiZleba mezobelma

qveyanamac isargeblos,

imitom, rom mas SeiZleba saSualeba

mieces, Cveni xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi CauSeskus gzas

gauyenos. meeWveba, ruseTma am

areulobiT ar isargeblos, radgan

gamoricxulia, 2015 wlis

soWis olimpiadis wina etapze,

200-300 kilometris radiusSi,

putinis xelisuflebas awyobdes

misi mlanZRavi xelisufleba, saakaSvilis

saxiT. ki amboben, rom

saakaSvilis xelisufleba, faqtobrivad

ruseTis xelisuflebaa,

rasac marTlac aqvs safuZveli,

gavixsenoT `vardebis revoluciisTvis~

mwvane Suqi anTeba

da milocvebi, strategiuli

obieqtebis da msxvili biznesis

ruseTisTvis xelSi Cagdeba da

a.S. magram, Cemi azriT, es yvelaferi

amoiwura. naTqvamia, saReW

rezins roca sasiamovno gemo

gasdis, mas agdebeno, rac gamosacleli

da gamosawuri iyo, am

xelisuflebis ugunurobiT, ruseTma

saqarTvelos ukve gamoacala.

ara mgonia, ruseTs Zalagamoclili

da avtoritetSelaxuli

saqarTvelos xelisufleba

awyobdes, radgan gafarCakebuli

da uzneobamde yvelafris mkadrebeli

xelisuflebisgan

ufro meti cudia mosalodneli.

amitom es cudi

rom gamoricxos da kavkasiaSi

dazRveuli iyos, ruseTs

saqarTveloSi stabiluri

xelisufleba sWirdeba,

radgan kavkasiis saxe

mainc saqarTveloa. es sa-

SiSroeba namdvilad arsebobs,

magram vidre ganxorcieldebodes,

mTavari

sityva qarTvelma xalxma

unda vTqvaT. ruseTi Tu Caeria

am xelisuflebis gastumrebis

saqmeSi, is yvela

SemTxvevaSi, vaWrobas dagviwyebs,

xom mogaSoreT es

uvargisi, umsgavsi xelisuflebao

da am vaWrobaSi

Seneldeba Cveni moTxovnileba

afxazeTsa da samaCabloze.

amitom qarTvelebma

unda gadavWraT Cveni problemebi,

Cven unda avirCioT, romeli

gziT mivdivarT, simarTlis

Tu mrude gziT. amis Semdeg, ruseTTanac

Rirseulad vilaparakebT

da dasavleTTanac, aRar

viqnebiT viRacebis TavSi wamosartymeli

eri, rogorc axla,

ping-pongis burTiviT rom gvaTamaSeben.

manana

suxiSvili

interviu cnobil fexburTelTan

gela ketaSvilTan

_ batono gela, daviwyoT

imiT, rom Tqvens mier daarsebuli

`qomagi~ xelisuflebam amoqmedebamde

daayadaRa.

_ rac am xelisuflebam gamikeTa,

yvelam kargad icis. 30 maiss

dafuZnebuli organizacia

pirvel ivniss damiyadaRes nulovani

angariSebiT da Jargoni rom

moviSvelio, Semomtenes Caricxuli

orasi aTasi dolari, romelic,

faqtobrivad, ar gvqonia.

mosamarTleebs, saqalaqoSic da

saapelacioSic warvudgine Cemi

simarTlis damadasturebeli sabuTebi.

orive yurebamde gawiTlda,

magram gadawyvetileba sxva

miiRes _ sabolood damiyadaRes

angariSebi da xuTi aTasi lari-

Tac damajarimes. am xelisuflebis

veraferi gamigia, ra undaT,

gamodian, xalxs eubnebian qveynis

saqmes vakeTebTo. sinamdvileSi

sul ukan mivdivarT, ufskrulSi

viCexebiT. eseni unda gavyaroT,

Cven amas gavakeTebT, Tundac imitom,

rom me, rogorc pirovnebas,

romelsac ramdenadme damsaxurebeebi

maqvs eris winaSe, maqsimalurad

vibrZoleb, rom gavaTavisuflo

Cemi qveyana am dampyrobeli

reJimisgan.

_ Tqven saubrobT saerTaSoriso

saqvelmoqmedo organizacia

`qomagi-2~-ze. ra mizniT CamoayalibeT

es organizacia?

_ mizani sportsmenebis daxmarebaa.

aseve msurs gamovxato pativiscema

gulSematkivrebisadmi,

xalxisadmi, romlebic wlebis

manZilze mxars miWerdnen, mamxnevebdnen

moedanze, quTaisis `torpedodan~

moyolebuli. dasamali

ra aris, ucxoeTSi bevri megobari

myavs, rogorc yofili fexburTelebi,

aseve biznesmenebi,

Cveni emigrantebi, romlebmac

kargad ician Cveni qveynis dRevandeli

mdgomareoba. saqvelmoqmedo

organizaciis daarsebis idea ramdenime

wlis win gamoCnda. rodesac

am xalxs gauCnda SesaZlebloba,

damirekes da miTxres _

Sens gverdiT varTo, magram, gimeorebT,

xelisuflebam angariSebi

dagviyadaRa, imitom, rom mSiSrebi

arian, xalxis, qarTveli adamianebis

eSiniaT, radgan eseni

araqarTvelebi arian.

_ qvelmoqmedeba TqvenTvis

axali ar aris. msoflioSi erTaderTi

adamiani xarT, romelmac

Tavisi olimpiuri oqros medali

saxelmwifo xazinas aCuqa...

_ Tqven kargad iciT, rom Cemi

oqros medali 1992 wlis 30

oqtombers Cavabare. meti Zvirfasi

nivTi araferi mqonda, arc fuli

gamaCnda, qveyanaSi ki omi iyo.

iaraRis, tyvia-wamlis sayideli

Tanxebi ar iyo. samwuxarod, ramdenime

xnis Semdeg vigeb, rom Cemi

medali sarfis sabaJoze daakaves,

viRac qals mihqonda TurqeTSi

gasayidad. medali imitom

Cavabare, vimeoreb, qveyanas uWirda

da raSi gamoiyenes? davkargeT

gela ketaSvili:

gela ketaSvili:

`nacionalebo~, droze

modiT Wkuze,

Torem deda getirebaT!

afxazeTi, samaCablo, mivayoleT

kodori, qsnis xeoba, medals imitom

viTxov, im mizniT ar gamoiyenes,

risTvisac Cavabare. viRac

naZirlebi meubnebian _ Sens medals

verc naxav da verc miiRebo,

magaTi gankiTxvis dRec male

dadgeba. radgan afxazeTi vaxsene,

imasac getyviT, rom mec mivdiodi

afxazeTSi saomrad, rigiT jariskacad.

TviTmfrinavSic vijeqi

ukve. gia yaryaraSvils acnobes:

gela ketaSvili

modiso. misi brZanebiT

Camomsves

TviTmfrinavidan.

saubedurod, is TviTmfrinaviaafeTqes...

giasTan sicocxliT

var davalebuli.

_ gela, samwuxarod

gaxSirda

moqmedi Tu veterani

sportsmenebis

zonderebad gamoyeneba.

rogor uyurebT am faqts?

_ dabadebis dRe 27 seqtembers

maqvs, magram vwyevli am

dRes, radgan 27 seqtembers daeca

soxumi. ra namusiT midis es

xalxi aseT binZur saqmeze, ver

gamigia. xalxo, ojaxebi ar

gaqvT? sisxli ar gaqvT? mova

Tqveni gankiTxvis dRec. jobia

droze modiT Wkuaze, Torem deda

getirebaT! me amas vacxadeb

xmamaRla, olimpiuri Cempioni gela

ketaSvili da gimeorebT,

xalxis siyvaruliT Camovayalibe

saqvelmoqmedi organizacia. is na-

Zirlebi, romlebic xels aRmar-

Taven xalxze, yvelas Sevicnob

saxeze. gindaT muqarad CaTvalon,

gindac kacurad naTqvamSi, msgavsi

qmedebebi Zvirad daujdebaT.

erze xelis aRmarTva aravis Ser-

Cenia da arc SerCeba.

vinc amaT azrs ar iTvaliswinebs,

yvela Carecxilebi varT,

samSoblos da eris moRalateebi.

Tumca pirveli samSoblos moRalateebi

eseni arian! amaTi saxiT

saqarTvelos satanebi Semoesivnen.

gia burduli


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi

gvesauubrreba ffilosoffosi, Tbilisis

ivane javaxiSvilis saxelobis

saxelmwiffo uuniverrsitetis

prroffesorri lela gafrindaSvili:

_ lela, rogor SeafasebT

dResdReobiT qveyanaSi Seqmnil

politikur viTarebas. rogor

fiqrobT, ra Sedegs moitans saxelisuflebo

da biZina ivaniSvilis

gundis dapirispireba?

_ SeiZleba iTqvas, rom bolo

20 welia Semdegi situacia

gvaqvs _ konkretul pirs 98

procentian mxardaWeras vucxadebT

da sam-oTx weliwadSi imave

protenciT misi mowinaaRmdege

vxdebiT. im momentSi, rodesac

Cveni rCeulis mowinaaRmdege

varT, Cndeba viRac Zala, romelic

gveubneba _ nu geSiniaT,

Tqven wynarad isxediT saxlebSi,

yvelaze didi rac gevalebaT saarCevno

yuTTan misvla da CemTvis

xmis mocemaa, danarCens Tavad

mivxedavo. ai, aseT mdgomareoba-

Si varT. ratomRac ver mivdivarT

martiv daskvnamde _ rodesac

mxolod ori Zalis urTier-

Tdapirispirebaa, ar arsebobs ar-

Cevanis Tavisufleba, anu arCevnebSi

partiaTa mravalferovneba

ar gvaqvs, swored es situacia

qmnis mdgomareobas, raSic dRes

vimyofebiT. Cems garSemo bevri

adamiania, vinc acnobierebs, rom

mxolod Savi da TeTri TavisTavad

gamouval situacias qmnis da

sazogadoebisa da saxelmwifos

ganviTarebisTvis yovlad usargebloa.

Tumca, arseboben e.w.

`SuaSistebi~, romlebic or skamze

sxedan da es moqilike adamianebi

principul momentSi xelisuflebas

uWeren mxars. ra

Tqma unda, es sisulelea imitom,

rom sabednierod, saqarTveloSi

aris situacia, rodesac moqalaqeTa

garkveuli nawili `memarjveneebs~,

zogi `qristian-demok-

ratebs~, zogi `leiboristebs~,

zogic `nacionalebs~ uWers

mxars, magram `nacionalebis~

SemTxvevaSi saqme mxardaWerasTan

ki ara, aramed sul sxva rames-

Tan gvaqvs _ zogi adamiani sicocxliT,

zogi SemosavliT, zogi

Svilis bediTaa damokidebuli

maTze da a.S. anu es sul sxva,

iZulebiTi mowonebaa. saqarTveloSi,

jerjerobiT ar gvaqvs situacia,

rodesac romelime politikur

Zalas an politikos

misi Sexedulebebis, ideebis, Rirebulebebis

gamo davuWerT

mxars. vfiqrob situaciis wayvana

isev im mdgomareobamde, romelSic

2003 wels aRmovCndiT,

ubralod sibnelea.

_ lela, Tqveni saubridan

Cans, rom mxolod TeTris da Savis

arseboba politikaSi damRupvelia

da sxva ferebis Semotanaa

saWiro?

Cven mcxeTis saxinkleSi

visxdeT da miSa sxvam gadaagdos,

aseTi ram ar moxdeba

_ diax, es ferebi romc ar

iyos, Cven unda gamovigonoT,

Tundac xelovnurad SevqmnaT

imitom, rom aseTi radikalizacia

_ es Savia, magram ager me var

TeTri, dauSvebelia. Tanac amas

iseTi adamianebi gveubnebian, vinc

gamovcadeT, visac ukve 20 welia

vakvirdebiT, aTasnair `blokebSi~

gvinaxavs da uceb kravis gamometyvelebiT

gvimtkiceben TeTri

varTo, es damRupvelia. Zalebis

aseTi polarizeba ganwirulia

imisTvis, raSic dRes vcxovrobT.

_ absoluturi umravlesobiT

mosvlam SeiZleba isev revoluciis

xanaSi dagvabrunos?

_ ra Tqma unda. Zaladobas

sjobs konkurents WkuiT daupirispirde.

es SesaZlebelia, ubra-

lod bevrad met Sromas moiTxovs,

vidre revolucia. rad

unda milionebi imas, rom politikuri

partiis wevrebi saqarTvelos

cxra regionSi Cavidnen?!

politikuri sizarmace da gaTvla

imaze, rom amomrCeveli ara

miimxro, aramed aTasgvari piardapirebebiT

gamoaStero, warmoudgenelia,

am dros elementarulad

amomrCevels ar scem pativs.

magram sabednierod, dRes adamia-

nebs daskvnebi bevrad

ukeTesad gamoaqvT, vidre

es politikosebs warmoudgeniaT.

_ rogor xedavT sazogadoebis

rols am procesebSi?

xSirad msmenia

sayvedurebi, rom Cven sazogadoeba

ar gvyavs.

_ am mosazrebis kategoriuli

winaaRmdegi

var. sazogadoeba rom ar

gvyavdes, CvenTan axla

30-iani wlebi iqneboda.

zustad im saxiT, rac ma-

Sin iyo. 20-30-ian wleb-

Si da kidev ufro bevrad

adre daiwyo sabWoTa kav-

SirSi es represiebi. ma-

Sin sabWoTa xalxi TxrilSi viyaviT

Cayrilebi da visac ra undoda

imas gvikeTebdnen. axla ase

aRaraa, samyaro gaxsnilia, informaciebi

yvela mimarTulebiT

miJonavs. amitom represiebi da

bolSevizmi ukve SeuZlebelia.

ubralod, xelisuflebaTa umravlesoba

ver xvdeba, rom bolSevizmi

absoluturad gamoricxulia.

maTTvis arsebobs bolSevikuri

manera, survilebi da vnebebi,

magram es srulebiT ar niSnavs,

rom sazogadoeba rezistentuli

ar aris. gavixsenoT, saqar-

TveloSi gamoTqmuli protestebi,

adamianebi didi saSiSroebis

miuxedavad protestis gamosaxatad

gamodiodnen da ewirebodnen

amas. saqarTveloSi 30-ian wleb-

Sic ki arsebobda samoqalaqo sazogadoeba

da swored amitom iyo

amdeni msxverpli. sazogadoeba

rom ar yofiliyo, arc amdeni

`danosebis~ wera iqneboda saWiro.

aseTi represiuli manqana

swored imitom Seiqmna, rom

gvyavda sazogadoeba, romelic

winaaRmdegobas swevda. saqarTveloSi

es yovelTvis iqneba. rogorc

sCans, rogorc bavSvobaSi,

axlac saxadebis garkveuli rigi

unda gaviaroT. Tu arCevnebi gayalbda,

nebismier regionSi, sadac

mosaxleobam icis, rom 20

adamianma misca xma da am dros

ors gicxadeben _ es aucileblad

unda gaprotestdes. protesti

unda iyos, oRond amis gadazrda

iseT formebSi, rom amiT viRacam

isargeblos, dauSvebelia. visac

rogor SegviZlia, ise unda movixadoT

samoqalaqo vali, Tundac

ubanze damkvirveblad wavideT.

realistur raRacebze gaTvlaa

saWiro. sxva SemTxvevaSi gamodis,

rom xalxisgan revolucias

iTxov. darwmunebuli var,

xalxi revolucias aRar moaxdens,

amas aravis gamo aRar gaakeTebs.

imitom, rom Cven vixileT

revoluciebi, protestebic, mag-

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

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ram Sedegad patimrebi patimrebs

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TiTqos jon basi gamova

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imisa, rom 2003 wels SevardnaZe

amerikelebma gadaagdes, es

sasaciloa. kargi iqneba Tu diplomatebi

gamovlen da dagmoben

Zaladobas, xelisuflebas mouwodeben

arCevnebi Caataron. `Must

carry~-s principi xelisuflebaSi

TavisiT rom aravis mouvidoda

TavSi, es xom cxadia. es aris

presingi dasavleTidan, risi SesaZleblobac

aris dasavluri

diplomatiidan gamomdinare, magram

is, rom Cven mcxeTis saxinkleSi

visxdeT da miSa sxvam gadaagdos,

aseTi ram ar moxdeba.

_ aqedan gamomdinare, amerikels

albaT naklebad aRelvebs,

ra iqneba Cvens qveyanaSi, mTavaria

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_ ra Tqma unda, amerikels

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Si, ratom unda ainteresebdes es

gansakuTrebulad saqarTveloSi?

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civilizaciisTvis Zalian

mniSvnelovania is fundamentaluri

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adamianma gaiziaros. miTumetes,

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amitom, ubralod, am realobaSi

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Tavisi protesti ar

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Cadenis uflebas aRar mogcemTo?

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perspeqtivas vxedav, sxva sakiTxia

es arCevnebamde moeswreba

Tu ara. magram Cemi azriT, arc

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gundis sxva wevri SeiZleba

gaxdes lideri da am Zalam

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_ magram sanam Cven dapirebebs

vismenT, xelisuflebis skams dapatronebulma

gveleSapma, SeiZleba

Tav-fexianad gadagvsanslos.

_ xelisufleba gveleSapiviT

ki iqceva, magram es ar niSnavs,

rom winaaRmdegoba ar aris, an

momavalSi ar iqneba. vimeoreb,

rac ufro meti sxvadasxva politikuri

Zala integrirdeba xelisuflebaSi,

miT naklebi iqneba

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Zalis mosvla xelisuflebaSi

Seqmnis garkveul garantiebs.

demokratia procesia da ise

ver moxdeba rom 2013 welSi es

problema dasruldes da mere

arafris gakeTeba aRar dagvWirdes.

es demokratiis Senebis maradiuli

procesia.

Tamar SveliZe

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8 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

iseve, rogorc, albaT, Tqven,

mec xSirad vfiqrob, ra sWirs

aseTi saqarTvelos, am siduxWiridan

rom ver gamovida da ubedureba

ubedurebas rom mosdevsmeTqi?

axla ukve saiqiosken momziral

eduard SevardnaZes, romlis

avantiuristul da pativmoyvarul

miswrafebaTa ukidegano

ufskrulSi saqarTvelos gulisTvis

mebrZoli qarTveli bi-

Webis Zvali da xorci Caixerga,

mikvirs, rogor ekida sabWoTa

socialistur jurRmulebSi nawowialeb

fexebze mTeli qveyana

da roca duJmomdgari miadga saakaSvili

parlamentis darbazs,

Jurnalistis kiTxvaze: vis utovebT

mmarTvelobaso _ es Cemi

saqme aRaraa, Sin mivdivaro, Tqva

da amiT Zalaufleba mixeil saakaSvils

da mis aranormalur

xrovas absoluturad gulgrilad

gadasca...

pirveli, rac saakaSvilma da

misma utifarTa jgufma Caidina,

wixliT Seamtvries saxelmwifo

sakanonmdeblo organos _ parlamentis

Senobis kari da maimunebiviT

daiwyes xtunva-Wyivili magidebsa

da skamebze. milew-mole-

wes yvelaferi. SevardnaZis savarZeli

frial-frialiT gadmoagdes

dabla aJivJivebuli da

motyuebuli xalxis brbosken. es

iyo pirveli yvelaze didi Zaladoba

samoqalaqo omgamovlil,

dazafrul saqarTveloze...

demokratiis saxeliT agresiulma

tiraniam daidga taxti

2003 wlis 23 noembers saqarTveloSi...

zedmetad paTetikurad rom

ar mogeCvenoT es Sefaseba da

zogierTi pragmatikosis guliswyroma

rom ar davimsaxuroT,

modiT, movlenebs TanmimdevrobiT

mivyveT.

pragmatuloba xSirad kargi

ram aris, da arc `Cveni maRali~

gamoirCeoda arasdros gansakuTrebuli

somnabulurobiT. misi

`politikac~ sulierebisgan sakmaod

Sors idga yovelTvis da

mTavari faseuloba _ adamiani,

mxolod `masovkis~, gamwevi Zalis

mniSvnelobis matarebeli

iyo...

`sulis moTqmis~ Semdeg ukve

prezidenti mixeil saakaSvili im

parlamentis tribunidan, romelzec

SevardnaZes civi Cai dauleveli

darCa, mixeil saakaSvili

acxadebs: `nulovani tolerantoba,

yvelani cixeSi!~

2004 wlis 12 marts pirveli

didi `gmiroba~ Caidina saxelmwifo

gadatrialebis Semoqmedma

xelisuflebam. giga bokeria,

giorgi baramiZe, vano merabiSvili

da zurab adeiSvili win

waruZRva specrazmis samxidian

satvirToebs, Selewes gldanis

marTlmadidebluri taZris kari

da mRvdeli da mrevli iqidan gamoaTries.

niRbiani specrazmelebi

gulis wasvlamde scemdnen

morwmune qalebs, wixlebs urtyamdnen

mamakacebs... `codvis

kiTxva~ trialebda maSin gldanis

eklesiaSi, sisxlis da moTqma-godebis

fonze ki baramiZem

daCexili saqarTvelo

mSvidi saxiT misca komentari

`rusTavi-2~.

am ambidan cota xnis Semdeg

mwerlebs daeria axali xelisufleba.

kinwiskvriT gamoagdo

isini mweralTa kavSiris Senobidan

da Senobis miTvisebaze xmamaRali

laparaki daiwyo. movlenebis

aseTi spontanuri da gauTvaliswinebeli

ganviTarebiT ise

iyo dabneuli sazogadoeba, rom

maSin bevrma verc Seityo, ra

moxda navTluRSi, samgoris metros

axlo teritoriaze.

sapatrulo policiis

specialurma razmma,

romelsac Sss dRevandeli

ministri edga sa-

TaveSi daCoqili mibjeniT

16-da 18 wlis sami

aWareli axalgazrda

mokla,

viTom cixis buntis mowyobis

organizatorobis eWviT. 10 dRis

ganmavlobaSi aravin icoda, sad

iyo es sami ubeduri ymawvili,

romelTa sisxli bazris ZaRlebma

alokes navTluRSi. TbilisSi,

sadac pirvelad iyvnen aWaris ma-

RalmTianeTidan Camosuli. isini

stiqiiT dazaralebul ekomigrant

TanasoflelebTan midiodnen

gardabanSi stumrad.

bevri dro ar gasula, rac

saakaSvilma ZaliT daipyro saqarTvelos

xelisufleba da axla

aWara iyo dasapyrobi. ise,

rogorc saqarTveloze, aWarazec

acxadebda saakaSvili _ aWara gasaTavisuflebeliao.

igi baTums

miadga. aafeTqa Coloqis xidi.

rogorc sCveoda, iavarhyo baTumis

mTavroba, aslan abaSiZe qveynidan

gaaZeva da misi da aWaris

qoneba TviTon da misi bandis

wevrebma gadainawiles, raTa Sem-

gia krialaSvili - mokles

TbilisSi, gldanSi (TianeTis

gzatkecili) specoperaciisas.

deg mTeli aWara da savaraudod,

guriis nawilic TurqebisTvis

gadaecaT saTareSod, sanjayad...

metis moTmena aRar SeiZleboda.

iqmneboda opoziciuri

jgufebi ise, rogorc demokratiis

pirobebSi aris SesaZlebeli,

magram evropeli `TanamoZmeebis~

mier monaTluli `varskv-

lavTbiWuna~, `demokratiis Suqura~

verafers itanda alternatiuls,

sawinaaRmdegos, im xaneb-

Si aRmocenebul opoziciur partia

`samarTlianobas~ erT mSvenier

dRes Tavs daeca prokuratura,

konfiskacia gaukeTa partiis

qonebas da ruseTis agentobis

da saxelmwifo gadatrialebis

(!) braldebiT 14 piri aTeuli

wlebiT cixeSi gamoketa.

braldebulTagan zogi dResac

ixdis sasjels, maT Soris sami

mcirewlovani Svilis dedac. am

jgufSi iyo maSin opoziciurad

ganwyobili eqspert-kriminalisti,

advokati maia nikoleiSvili.

igi Svilebis wamebiT sikvdilis

muqariT ise SeaSines, rom opozicionerobaze

fiqri ki ara, es

niWieri qalbatoni saerTod Camoaciles

sazogadoebas da srul

asketizmsa da izolaciaSi

amyofeben...

saqarTvelo nelnela

`azrze modioda~.

saprotesto gamosvlebi

ufro da

ufro permanentuli

xdeboda. gamosvlebma

kulminacias 2007

wlis noembris dReebSi

miaRwia. saakaSvilis

sisxlian mmar-

Tvelobas safrTxe daemuqra.

mTavrobis saxlis win aTasobiT

momitinge mixeil saakaSvilis

gadadgomas iTxovda. maSin ambobdnen,

e.w. `vardebis revoluciis~

dros amis meoTxedi xalxic ki

ar idga quCaSio. reformebad wodebulma

axalma tiranulma mmar-

Tvelobam normaluri cxovrebis

saSualeba waarTva xalxs da rogorc

Semdeg nacionalebs daarqves

_ `okeanedaleulebis~ mier

aTvalwunebuli viTomda maxinji,

Zveli cxovrebis wesis amoZirkva

ise daiwyes, TiTqos satanisti

eqimi narkozis gareSe akeTebdes

gulis an RviZlis operacias da

amis gamo TviTkmayofilebis JruanteliT

nirvanaSi iyos. ase iyvnen

nacionali axalgazrdebi.

7 noembers axalgazrda mmar-

Tvelebs nervebma umtyunes. specrazmi,

romelic vano merabiSvilis,

maSindeli Ss ministris

roin SavaZe - oficialuri

versiiT, mokles gaqcevis mcdelobisas

qobuleTSi, qaquTis

saavtomobilo gzaze, sastikad

nawamebia

daqvemdebarebaSi iyo, rezinis

tyviebiT, xelketebiT, momwamvleli

gazebiT da wylis nakadiT

SeiaraRebuli daeria momitingeebs.

sisxli da cremli erTmaneT-

Si ireoda, daCexil-dalewili

sxeulebiT iyo mofenili rusTavelis

gamziri... momitingeebma

riyeze gadainacvles. iqac Cahyva

`xalxze mzrunveli~ xelisufleba

Tavis xalxs, kvlav gaimar-

Ta araadamianuri cema, devna, Seuracxyofa...

es iyo saarako ambavi...

im dRes daSavebulebi dResac

dainvalidebulni arian...

saqarTvelos `sakuTari~ xelisuflebisgan

miyenebuli Wrilobebi

jer kidev ar hqonda mo-

SuSebuli, saakaSvili axal avantiuras

gegmavda...

* * *

2008 wlis ivlisis bolos

yofili `zakvos~ SenobaSi Sesaxlebul

devnilebs Sevxvdi. maTgan

zogi afxazeTidan devnili

iyo, da zogi, warmoidgineT, ukve

samaCablodan. osTa Zalmomreobas

kantikuntad gamoqceodnen.

erTi xanSiSesuli mamakaci Cavwere.

dimitri erqva, ulumbegaSvili

iyo gvarad. mixaria, Sviloo,

_ miTxra. saakaSvili cxinvalis

asaRebad emzadeba. biWebma ambavi

moitanes _ manqanebiT samxedroebi

iqiT midian, droSebi miaqvT.

gorSi gaCerdnen Turme, jer iq

dganan da niSans elodebian, ai,

maSin ki davbrundebi saxlSi. yana

da venaxi axla, vin icis, ra

sanaxavi iqnebao.

2008 wlis 8

agvistos cxinval-

Si SeWrilma qar-

Tulma jarma sastiki

marcxi ganicada.

uamravi qarTveli

Seewira am uazro

oms, daxocilTa

cxedrebs sanam

buzi da matli ar

daexvia da maTi dasaflavebis

saqmeSi

patriarqi ar Caeria,

manamde saakaSvilma

da misma

mTavrobam ver moaxerxamicvalebulebisdasaflavebac

ki, radgan

mTel saqarTveloSi `maRals~ da

bnels mstovrebi hyavda gagzavnili:

yvelas STaagoneT, cxinval-

Si omi qarTvelebma moigeso. ismoda

simRerebi da trampacumpa,

mReroda merab sefaSvili da lela

wurwumia...

zeimobdnen maSin qarTvelTa

mtrebi, xolo saqarTvelos

gulSi glova da balRami trialebda...

warmoidgineT, rom am ambidan

ramdenime xnis Semdeg isev Sevxvdi

Cems Zvel nacnobs, baton dimitris

_ sofel avnevidan. moxuc

qals moaTrevda, TviTonve

WaRara da dauZlurebuli, ukan

Ripiani, talik-taliki policielebi

mosdevdnen dubinkebiT, Zalian

gasacodavebuli momeCvena

babua dimitri.

ase usulgulod, albaT,

iranis Sahma gadaasaxla qarTvelebi

fereidanSi... cemiT da ZaladobiT

gamoyara xelisuflebam

devnilebi TavSesafrebidan

da isini zogi meored, zogi mesamed

aqcia devnilad... aZaRlebuli

saxiT, zizRiT erekebodnen

satvirTo manqanebSi da ise-

Ti mkacri gamometyveleba hqondaT

policielebs, TiTqos es

ubedurebi osvencimSi mihyavdaT...

* * *

osvencimSi ara, magram viRacis

uCinarma xelma `vardebis gadatrialebis~

erT-erTi Semoqmedi _

zurab Jvania saiqios gaistumra.

JurnalistebisTvis

da sazogadoebisTvis

dRemde ucnobia sinamdvileSi

riTi, ra viTarebaSi

gardaicvala

saqarTvelos premierministri.

eWvebs da moarul

xmebs Tu gavimeorebT,

Jvania sulac ar

aris gazis gaJonviT

gardacvlili, arada

ase ganacxades misma megobrebma

da masTan er-

Tad saxelmwifo gadatrialebisorganizator-Semsruleblebma

mixeil saakaSvilma

da ivane merabiSvilma.

zurab Jvanias gardacvalebis

faqtze sisxlis samarTlis saqme

jer ar daxurula, Tumca misi

sikvdilidan ukve 7 weliwadia

gasuli. eWvma misi mkvlelobis

Sesaxeb samzareuloebidan didi

xania gadainacvla sazogadoebaSi,

magram yvelaze samwuxaro mainc

is aris, rom zurab Jvanias sikvdils

raul iusupovis, levan

samxaraulis da misi oci wlis

unaxavi megobrisa da klaselis

mkvlelobebi mohyva. samive zurab

Jvanias, ase vTqvaT waakles.

mkvlelobaTa seria drodadro

axali ZaliT da interpretaciiT,

Tumca erTi da igive xelweriT

ifeTqebda xolme. xelweris

mixedviT, yvela gardacvlili

sastiki gulgrilobiTaa mokluli...

sazogadoeba SeZra oqroyanis

sasaflaoze SiSveltitveli

sandro girgvlianis nawamebi

gvamis xilvam. mis mkvlelobaSi

xelisuflebis maRalCinosnebi

mTavari monawileebi iyvnen...

ar vici, xelisuflebas rom

vambob, swori terminologiiT

Tu vafaseb, SesaZloa, unda vTqva

mkvlelTa bandebi, romlebmac

Semdeg Tbilisis centrSi dRisiT-mzisiT

policiis specrazmisgan

saceriviT dacxriluli

28 wlis zurab vazagaSvilis

sisxlSi mcuravi sxeuli daagdes

kortebTan, mze daubneles

buta robaqiZes, giorgi gamcemliZes...

jer zustad daudgeneli

mizezebis gamo Tbilisis centr-

Si tyviiT Tavi gauxvrites akademikos

guram SaraZes, romelic

xelisuflebis kursis mZafri

kritikiT gamoirCeoda.


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

pirdapir ukavSirdeba saxels

biznesmen badri patarkaciSvilis

gardacvaleba. isic sicocxlis

bolo xanebSi xelisuflebas akritikebda.

arsebobs daudasturebeli

mtkicebulebebi, rom mis

mkvlelobaSi policiis maRalCinosnebi

iRebdnen monawileobas.

kerZod da yvelaze xSirad giorgi

koduas saxels axseneben, romelic

kai `mamali~ nacionalia....

demokrati xelisufleba ise

ver itans gansxvavebul azrs, rom

viTomda gulis SeteviT gardacvlili

patarkaciSvilis saflavTan

arc erTi nacionali ar misula.

samagierod, misi qoneba WilyvavebiviT

daitaces...

magram rac moxda badri patarkaciSvilis

mier daarsebul

da naloliaveb telekompania

`imedSi~, es aris klasikuri magaliTi

barbarosobis da amas marTlac

saerTo araferi aqvs demokratiulobasTan.

telekompaniis

aparatura dalewes da daamsxvries,

rezinis xelketebiT scemes

Jurnalistebs, gauSves momwamlavi

gazi, telekompania mTlianad

Caigdes xelSi da dRes gaupatiurebuli,

`TamrosaviT~ unamuso

gaxda.

am xelisuflebis qmedebebis

gvirgvinad mainc afrasiZeebis

ojaxis amowyveta iTvleba, romlis

organizatori TviT giorgi

baramiZe iyo. TviTmfrinavebiT

uSendnen Wurvebs afrasiZeebis

ojaxs, patara bavSvebis Tvalwin

daxvrites udanaSaulo adamianebi.

erT-erTma `molaSqrem~ ukve micvalebul

omex afrasiZes beWedi

rom ver moaZro, TiTi moaWra

Turme... am ambavze mere saakaSvilma

Tqva: diax, me gaveci afrasiZeebis

ojaxis amoxocvis brZanebao...

cxadia, saakaSvilis _ mkvlelTa

bandis meTauris mier gacemuli

brZanebiT spoben yvelafers,

rac warsuls axsenebs mas. saqar-

TveloSi ganadgurda warsulis

mowme bevri muzeumi, daangries da

gadaadgiles saxelovan adamianTa

qandakebebi. quTaisSi `didebis memorialis~

adgilas saakaSvilma

axali parlamentis Senobis agebis

brZaneba gasca. memoriali unda gadaetanaT,

an unda aefeTqebinaT.

warsulis moZule saakaSvilma,

cxadia, misi afeTqeba arCia. ur-

Cevdnen, demontaJs erTi kvira

sWirdebao. miSa sulswrafia. erT

dReSi moindoma Zeglis ganadgureba.

Zegli, romelsac xelovnebaTmcodneebma

Tavis droze `qar-

Tuli filosofiuri traqtati~

uwodes, erT dReSi daangries da

am ngrevas deda da misi 10 wlis

gogona emsxverpla...

dRemde daudgenelia 2011

wlis 26 maisis saprotesto mitingze

xelisuflebis mier daxocilTa

raodenoba. daSavebulebi

da dainvalidebulebi mravlad

arian. im dRes daWerilebi dResac

sapatimroebSi itanjebian, xolo

oficialurad gacxadebuli

micvalebulebis _

kvnitraZis da asaTianis

gvamebi xelborkilebiT

ipoves maRaziis Tavze (!)

xorc da enaamoglejilebi,

nawamebi da dasaxiCrebulni.

sazogadoebisTvis karga

xania cnobili gaxda,

rom `rusTavi-2~-is Senoba

rom Camoingra, iq Turme

saremonto samuSaoebs giga

bokerias colis dis da

Tu ar vcdebi, kezeraSvilis

colis samSeneblo firma

awarmoebda. mogexsenebaT, am Sem-

Txvevam ori axalgazrdis sicocxle

Seiwira, romlis ojaxis wevrebic

dRes elementarul yuradRebas

iTxoven da Seuracxyofis

mets xelisuflebisgan verafers

iReben. kinaRam gamomrCa,

parlamentis Senobis kedelic Camoingra

quTaisSi, isedac codviT

dawyebul mSeneblobas ramdenime

muSac emsxverpla.

didi xani ar aris, rac

xaSurSi policiis SenobaSi

daiRupa soso qimeriZe, romelic

nacemi da nawamebi iyo.

axlaxan miTxres, imereT-

Si, kerZod xaragaulSi, Cinelebs

sam larad uformeben

saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis

damadasturebel sabuTebso.

Cinelebi miwebs masiurad yiduloben

da es xelisuflebac

maT maqsimalurad uwyobs

xelso. gamoJona informaciam,

rom qarTuli miwis zeda

Sris gayidvis biznesSic yofila

CarTuli saqarTvelos

xelisufleba. specialistebi

acxadeben, rom miwis am doneze

Camoyalibebas aseuli

wlebi sWirdeba. tyes rom yidian,

amaze laparaki aRarc Rirs,

isedac cnobilia, magram maTi vandalizms

dasamtkiceblad agvistos

omis dros tyis xanZars gagaxsenebT,

romelzec amboben, specialurad

nacionalebis gaRvivebuli

iyo is xanZari tyeSio...

ra Tqma unda, amaze gaeRimeboda

sarkastulad maia nadiraZes,

eka tyeSelaSvils, eka xerxeuli-

Zes, xaTuna oCiaurs, gadaaqnevda

mozrdil Tavs da odnav gaaRebda

pirs givi TargamaZe... magram, amboben,

gadamales es xalxi,

xalxs Zalian aRizianebda da imitomo...

* * *

qarTveli xalxi, visac

dasavleli maswavleblebi

da maTi adgilobrivi

Segirdebi de-

mokratias aswavlian,

TviTon arian qarTveli

xalxisgan demokratiasaswavleblebi.demokratiis

saxeliT mosulma

nacionalurma gundma

saqarTveloSi glova

da sisxlisRvra moitana

da raoden gasakviric

ar unda iyos, mTeli am 8

wlis ganmavlobaSi qar-

Tveli xalxi yvela weliwads

da zogjer weliwadSi

orjer mSvidobian,

civilizebul saprotestomanifestaciebs

awyobda ise, rom

`erTi foTolic~ aravis

Seurxevia,

da rogor iqceoda am dros

meore mxare? Zaladoba, usamarTloba,

daWerebi, cixe da satanjveli

8 wlis ganmavlobaSi maTi

demokratiuli iaraRi iyo mowinaaRmdege

azris mqone adamianebis

mimarT da am demokrat mmarTvels

_ saxelad mixeil saakaSvils, er-

Txelac ar gasCenia survili pirispir

dalaparakeboda xalxs, gaego

ras aprotestebdnen isini da

asineTad ar gamoeyenebina CaSveba-

Si gawafuli Zveli `kmarelebi~.

dasavleTi ki, dasavleTi, xan e.w.

`mwvane Suqs~ anTebda, xan SeSfoTdeboda

xolme...

nacebma, vinac amdeni sisxli

daRvara da am wlebis ganmavloba-

Si saqarTvelo iavarhyo, axla

sazRvargareT daZvrebian, korumpirebuli

ucxoelebis mosasyidad,

raTa kvlav xelisuflebaSi darCnen...

rac CamovTvale (da rac axla

ar gamaxsenda), amis Camden xelisuflebas

saqarTveloSi mxardamWerebi

kidev hyavs, romlebic

amboben, rom gzebi gakeTda, aris

Suqi, Sadrevnebi, gakeTda fasadebi

marjaniSvilis moedanze, siRnaRSi

da a.S. sanam RmerTi awonis

codva-madls, Cven davfiqrdeT, ra

ufro mniSvnelovania _ gzebi, atraqcionebi

da yinulis moednebi

Tu adamianebis sicocxle, romelic

erTxel eZleva da imasac vi-

Rac znedacemuli Rorad dabadebuli

zonder-nacionali arTmevs?

aris uzenaesi saqarTveloSi adamiani?

misi sicocxle? misi uflebebi?

amis damadastureblad

zemoTmotanili anatomiuri sura-

Ti gamoadgeba adamians...

moaxloebuli arCevnebi saqar-

Tvelos da qarTveli xalxis sikvdil-sicocxlis

sakiTxia. Zaladobasa

da mSvid cxovrebas Soris

unda gavakeToT arCevani. ukeTesi

cxovrebis Seqmna sakuTari xelebiT

unda daviwyoT oqtombris

Tvidan.

Tu arada, meufe iobis sityvebis

ar iyos: Tu eseni kidev xelisuflebaSi

darCebian, saqarTvelo

aRar iarsebebs...

iranda kalandaZe

saerTo gazeTi

vis sindiszea `Cawyobili~

tenderebi, da ratom gadaiqca

`grinservisi~ `abeliad~

ramdenime Tvis win Jurnalistebisa

da opoziciis yuradReba miipyro

kompania “grinservisma”, romelmac

mxolod bolo wlis ganmavlobaSi 6

milionis Rirebulebis 17 tenderi

moigo. ucnobi aravisTvis iyo, rom

kompania laSa furcxvaniZesa da koba

xarSilaZes (zurab Jvanias yofili

dacvis ufrosi) ekuTvnodaT, magram

furcxvaniZe – Zveli Tbilisis raionis

gamgebeli iyo, xolo xarSilaZe

misi moadgile, da amitomac kompania

gaformebuli iyo oTx ucnob adamianze.

xarSilaZe da furcxvaniZe Tanamdebobebidan

ganTavisuflebis Semdeg

(yvelas axsovs, savaraudod, cnobili

skandali, kabinetebSi videokamerebis

aRmoCenis Sesaxeb, romlebsac furcxvaniZisa

da misi gundis

politikuri kariera

Seewira) oficialurad

gaxdnen

“grinservisis” mepatroneebi,

Tumca

maTi karieruli

cvlilebis gamo Tbilisis

meriis “grinservisTan”gaformebuli

kontraqtebis

raodenoba ar Secvlila.

2 0 0 7 -2 0 0 9

wlebSi, rodesac

Zveli Tbilisis raionis

gamgeblis Tanamdeboba jer kidev

laSa furcxvaniZes ekava, Tbilisis

meria swored furcxvaniZis sakuTrebaSi

arsebul Sps “grinservis-

Tan” aformebda kontraqtebs qalaqSi

mwvane zolis eqspluataciis saWiro

momsaxurebis Sesyidvaze. magaliTad

2008 wels Zveli Tbilisis raionis

teritoriaze mwvane zolis eqspluataciisTvis

saWiro momsaxurebis

SesyidvaSi oridan – erTi, gamarjvebuli

kompania swored “grinservisia”,

romelmac Tbilisis meriisgan 1

milion larze meti momsaxureba Seisyida.

dausjelobis da upatronobis

sindromma ise gaaTavxeda maRalCinosnebi,

rom arc imas malavdnen tenderebi

rom mxolod Tvalis asaxvevad

cxaddeboda, da arc meriisaa Tu

sxva sajaro samsaxurebis veb-gverdebze

eridebodnen ukanono informaciis

dadebas.

ramodenime Tvis win, ugulavam sajarod

dagmo is rom “grinservisma”

800 %-iani mogeba naxa, gauuqma adeiSvilisa

da cxadia sakuTari davalebiT

dadebuli xelSekrulebebi da

isev adeiSvils gadasca es saqme “Sesaswavlad”.

sazogadoeba maSin fiqrobda,

rom SeiZleboda “grinservisis”

saqme Seuqcevadi, zvavuri, da

rac mTavaria erisa da saxelmwifosTvis

uaRresad sasikeTo procesis dasawyisad

qceuliyo. xalxs ainteresebda,

marTla daiZra Tu ara “yinuli”.

vis dasjidnen da rogor, ras dahpirdebodnen

“gantevebis vacebs” erTgulebis

safasasurad, da saidumlos Senaxvis

samagierod da a.S. 2008 wlidan

dRemde pirveli SemTxveva iyo

rom saxelmwifom Tavisi Svilobili

kompania da Tavisi gundis wevrebi “gaimeta”

da sajarod samsjavroze gamoitana

maTi saqmeebi. Tumca es mxolod

erTi SexedviT sCans ase. ra faqtorebma

aiZula mTavrobas ase moqceva?

axlovdeba arCevnebi, da nacebs exla

ise sWirdebaT mosaxleobis mxardaWera,

rogorc arasdros, exla ise naklebad

sWirdebaT axali braldeba rogorc

arasdros, da Tan amJamad meria

da “grinservisi” ise gaTvaxedda, rogorc

arasdros. saqme imaSi gaxldaT,

rom Tbilisis meriam mimdinare wlis

8 Tebervals gamoacxada tenderi baraTaSvilis

quCaze dasargavi xe-mcenareebis

Sesyidvis mizniT. satendero

dokumentaciis Tanaxmad, merias ganzraxuli

hqonda Seesyida 120 cali

kviparosis nergi. Sesyidvis saerTo

Rirebulebad 225 000 lari iyo dasaxelebuli,

aseTi mcenaris miwodebis

survili Tu saSualeba saqarTveloSi

erTaderT kompanias Sps “grinsreviss”

aRmoaCnda da tenderSic mxolod es

kompania monawileobda. “grinservisma”

rasakvirvelia, pirveladi SeTavazeba

meriis mier gamocxadebul savaraudo

Rirebulebis identuri gamoacxada, da

raki konkurenti ar hyavda es Tanxa

(225,000 lari) SemdgomSi arc Secvlila.

meriasa da grinservis Soris

xelSekruleba, 13 marts daido da

xelSekrulebis Tanaxmad meriam kviparosis

TiTo nergSi 990 lari gadauxada

“grinserviss”. sul 118 800 lari

– 120 nergis sanacvlod. arada meriis

ama wlis 30 ianvris xelSekrulebis

Tanaxmad, erT-erTi sxva kompaniisagan

Sesyiduli erTi nergis fasi

30 lari iyo, anu 33 jer naklebi,

vidre baraTaSvilis quCis tenderis

SemTxvevaSi. rogorc ki es faqti

Jurnalistebisa da sazogadoebisTvis

gaxda cnoboili, ugulavam kompania

“grinservisTan” xelSekruleba gaauqma.

Tbilisis merma TaTbiris Semdeg

ganacxada, rom “grinservisma” saxelmwifos

mimarT aRebuli valdebuleba

arakeTilsindisierad Seasrula da sakiTxi

samarTaldamcav organoebs damatebiT

Sesaswavlad

gadaegzavnao. xolo

gauqmebuli momsaxurebis

xelaxla

Sesyidvaze axali

tenderi gamocxadebao.

– ugulava am

gamosvlebiT cdilobda

Tavisi da

mTeli meriiis dana-

Sauli daefara.

radganac tenderi

zustad meriam gamoacxada

da fasis

gansazRvra kanonmdeblobis

mixedviT

evaldeba ara kompanias, aramed tenderis

gamomcxadebel organos. es yovlad

uazro fasi (225,000 lari) romelic

33-jer aRebateba realur fass,

meriis dadgenilia. da meorec. bara-

TaSvilis quCaze ukve dargulia kiparosebi

da tenderis gauqmeba saqmes

raRas uSvelis? da Tu mainc rogor-

Rac gvSvelis, is mainc gagvagebinos

vinmem, raRa saWiroa axali tenderis

gamocxadeba – dargul mcenareebs

amoTxrian da konkursSi gamarjvebuli

kompania Tavidan dargavs? magram

merias erTi saqmis samjer an 5 jer

gakeTebis gamocdileba namdvilad aqvs.

aeroportis gzis Sua zolis gamwvanebaze

praqtikulad yovel or TveSi

erTxel cxaddeboda tenderi. tenderebis

mixedviT, kompanias evaleboda

mcenareebis Semotana da maTi movlapatronoba,

TiTqos yovel Tve axalaxal

mcenareebs rgavdnen. sinamdvile-

Si, Cven verc gavakontrolebT ramdeni

axali buCqi dairgo da an ramdenjer

gamoucvales mas miwa. da kidev,

Tavdapirvelad meriis gamocxadebuli

tenderebidan (sadac “grinsrevisi”

monawileobda) samarTlebrivi safuZvlis

gareSe xsnidnen konkurent kompaniebs.

satendero dokumentaciebs ki

Tavad Tbilisis meri awers xels.

TiTqmis yvela satendero dokumentacia

identuria. im SemTxvevaSic ki Tu

merias ar moswonda “grinservisis”

muSaoba da axal tenders acxadebda –

maSinac gamarjvebuli “grinservisi”

iyo. sainteresoa, Tu kompania imdenad

cudad muSaobda rom meria igive samuSaos

Sesrulebaze axal tenders

acxadebs, igive kompania, romelmac

cudad imuSava, rogor igebs Tavidan

tenders?! am saqmis gamoZieba rom mar-

Tla obieqturad moxdes, pirvel rig-

Si Tbilisis meris pasuxismgeblobis

sakiTxi iqneba dasmuli, magram ara Tu

mers da merias aravin axlebs xels,

Tavad ”grinservisic” arxeinad agrZelebs

muSaobas. es ubralod, morigi

piaraqcia iyo. wesiT, “grinservisi”

rogorc iuridiuli piri aRar unda

arsebobdes, kompaniis krebis oqmis mixedviT

furcxvaniZem da xarSilaZem

sakuTari wili kote xaraiSvils gadasces.

unda Secvliliyo kompaniis

saxelwodebac, “grinservisis” nacvlad

asparezze “abelia” gamodis. Tumca,

es imdenad umniSvnelo cvlilebaa,

romelic savaradudo, mxolod qaRaldze

ganxorcielda, rom “grinsrevisis”

TanamSromlebmac ki araferi ician.

igive samuSaos asruleben, igive

xelfass iReben, igivenairad ewyebaT

da umTavrdebaT samuSao dRe. “grinservisTan”

xelSekrulebis gawyvetidan

erTi Tvis Tavze kompania samuSaos

Cveul ritmSi agrZelebs da misi

TanamSromlebi axal nargavebs rgaven,

an Zvel, ukve gamxmar nargavebs cvlian

axliT. paradoqsia, magram zustad

am wuTas isini isev aeroportis trasis

gamyofi zolis gamwvanebaze muSaoben,

ukve meramdened.

Tamar keSelava

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10 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

ekranze droSebiT aWrelebuli avtobusebis

grZeli kolona rom davinaxe,

maSinve is gavifiqre ratomRac, mi-

Sa xom ar modis xelmeored walenjixidan

axali revoluciis mosawyobad

da xom ar gveSvela-Tqo?

bolo xanebSi miSa saakaSvili

radikalurad daupirispirda

prezident saakaSvils

da kvira ar gava, kritikis

qarcecxlSi ar gaataros

igi mravali gaukeTebeli da

mifuCeCebuli saqmeebis gamo,

bedovlaTobis gamo, upasuxismgeblobis

gamo.

amitomac vifiqre, albaT, amouvida

yelSi miSas es prezidenti miSa, Sekriba

Tavisi momxreebi da mis Camosagdebad

aqeTken moeSureba, kolonas Tvi-

Ton mouZRvis da saWesTanac TviTon

zis, rogorc mas Cvevia-Tqo, magram

mZRols rom davakvirdi, miSas nacvlad

giorgi TargamaZe ar SemrCa xelSi?

_ mesaWe ar uvarga qveyanas... mesaWe

unda gamoicvaloso, _ ambobda giorgi

da marjved atrialebda saWes.

rogorc gairkva, quTaisSi yriloba

hqonia qdm-s da es kolonac amasTan dakavSirebiT

wamousxams mis liders.

mere iyo yriloba, iseTi yriloba,

rom yrilobis unaxavs gagxdida kacs.

iyo kritikulze kritikuli, mrisxaneze

mrisxane gamosvlebi _ axvlediani

iseT eqstazSi Sevida, Zlivs gaaCeres,

xolo ingam, marad mSvenierma da

cecxlovanma ingam, aqeT saakaSvili Cado

saflavSi, iqiT ivaniSvili da ndoba

da siyvaruli mxolod erTaderT Zalas,

qarTvel xalxs, gamoucxada.

mokled, qdm-s oratorebis mosmenisas

gonebas odnav Tu moadunebdi da

sifxizles dakargavdi, SeiZleba gefiqra:

_ es ra Seurigebeli, es ra radikaluri

opozicia gvyolia am qdm-s saxiT.

amaTTan SedarebiT sxva opoziciuri

partiebi tkbil iavnanas umRerian am

jibgir xelisuflebaso.

* * *

SeiZleba, daiqiravo Sinamosamsaxure,

daiqiravo qali erTi RamiT, daiqiravo

mcveli, advokati, daiqiravo zurgis

an sxva raRacis momfxanveli, magram

xelisuflebis mier opoziciis daqiraveba,

saqarTvelos garda, msoflios

arcerT qveyanaSi ar msmenia.

mofiqreba ar ginda, kaco, imisTvis

rom demokratiulobis iluzia Seqmna

da didi demokratiis saxeli daigdo,

midixar romeliRac partiis liderTan

da eubnebi: _ me Sen gixdi fuls,

oRond Sen da Senma partiam unda makritikoT,

mlanZRoT, maginoT, gamaSavoT...

amiT Tqven opozicioneris saxels

moixveWT, me ki demokratis

gvirgvins davidgam

Tavze. amaze ukeTesi,

amaze sarfiani sxva saqme

arsebobs? _ Seginebuli

Semginebels SeginebisTvis

fuls iqiT uxdides da did

pativSi hyavdes, aseTi ambavi

gagigia odesme? ara,

xom? hoda, axla gaigeb...

amgvar sarfian SeTavazebas,

umetes SemTxvevaSi,

Tanxmoba da garigeba mosdevs

xolme, mere ki iwyeba

didi speqtakli, didi warmodgena,

saxelwodebiT

`qarTuli demokratia~, romelsac,

pirvel yovlisa,

sagastrolo-saeqsporto

daniSnuleba aqvs da rogorc

adgilobrivi mayureblis,

aseve saerTaSoriso

demokratiuli Tanamegobrobis motyuebas

isaxavs miznad.

speqtakli `qarTuli demokratia~

warmatebiT gadis

evroparlamentis, evrosabWos,

gaeros, euTos, aSS-s

administraciis politikuri

Teatrebis scenebze da gamocdili

eqspertebis da

`Teatrmcodneebis~ did mowonebasac

imsaxurebs xolme.

2007 wlis miwurulidan `qdm~ am

speqtaklis erT-erTi mTavari monawilea,

romelic didostaturad asrulebs

Tavis rols.

`qdm~-s axali partniorebi gamouCndnen,

`axali memarjveneebis~ da `edps~s

saxiT, romlebic namdvil opoziciur

kocons anTeben scenaze da am koconSi

saakaSvils upireben Cagdebas, is ki ar

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

www.saertogazeti.net

SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze

nebdeba da am jikav-jikavSi nel-nela

ibadeba axali legenda imis Sesaxeb, Tu

rogori Seupovari brZola midis saqar-

TveloSi demokratiuli faseulobebis

dasamkvidreblad.

* * *

giorgi TargamaZe ginesis

wignSia Sesatani _ kacma, romelsac

televizia daurbies,

TanamSromlebi cema-tyepiT

gamouyares gareT da quCaSi

datoves, ramdenime dReSi

Seqmna mravalricxovani politikuri

organizacia gamarTuli

sistemiT, centraluri

da regionaluri ofisebiT

da saparlamento ar-

CevnebSic seriozul warmatebas

miaRwia.

seriozuli politikuri organizaciis

struqturebis mSeneblobas wlebi

sWirdeba, TargamaZem ki es sul ramde-

nime TveSi moaxerxa da Tavis gundTan

erTad parlamentSic Sevida.

wlebs Tavi davaneboT, didi, Zalian

didi fuli sWirdeba amis gakeTebas da

jadoqarma TargamaZem, rogorc Cans, am

fulis operatiulad moZiebac SesZlo.

hoda, yovelive amis Semdeg rekordsmeni

TargamaZe ginesis wignSi rom

aris dauyovnebliv Sesatani, amaSi vinmes

eWvi epareba?

rogorc amboben, organizaciis operatiulad

SeqmnaSi mas saxelisuflebo

struqturebi daexmarnen, es daxmareba

ki friad mravalmxrivi da mravalferovani

iyo yvela mimarTulebiT, maT Soris

finansuri uzrunvelyofis kuTxi-

Tac.

ratom da ra damsaxurebisTvis gaewia

giorgi TargamaZes es uprecedento

daxmareba?

gavrcelebul xmebs Tu davujerebT,

giorgi TargamaZis ucabedi aRzeveba

did Ralats ukavSirdeba, Ralati ki,

rogorc amboben, am ymawvils yovelTvis

emarjveboda.

* * *

nacmoZraobis garSemo axla ramdenime

opoziciuri partia uvlis davlurs da

scenis SuaSi budas qandakebasaviT asvetil

`nacmoZraobas~ SigadaSig xan enas

uyofs, xan kritikul replikas esvris...

tragikomedia `qarTuli

demokratia~ da buqsirze

gamobmuli miSas jibis opozicia

partiebi moaxloebuli

arCevnebis win repeticias

gadian da momavali arCevnebis

gasayalbeblad emzadebian,

xolo socialuri kvlevebis

cnobili institutebi

`mende-gende~ da `ai raia~

bloknotebSi raRac cifrebs

iniSnaven.

es momavali arCevnebis Sedegebia...

marTalia, arCevnebi jer

ar Catarebula, magram amaT

Sedegebi ukve ician...

tragikomedia `qarTuli demokratiis~

damdgmeli reJisorebi okeanisgaRmidan,

TavianT evropel asistentebTan

erTad tragikomediis finalur scenas

amuSaveben...

daiRala saqarTvelo arCevnebis Temaze

dadgmuli am uniWo, erTmaneTis

tyupiscaliviT msgavsi speqtaklebiT.

ar aris gamoricxuli, Seuracxyofili

mayurebeli scenaze aiWras da es

utifari komediantebi kinwiskvriT gayaros.

* * *

_ mesaWe ar gvivarga, batonoo, _

mravalmniSvnelovnad ambobs TargamaZe

da saWes Tavmomwoned atrialebs.

`xalastoize~ atrialebs batoni

TargamaZe am saWes _ misi avtobusi saakaSvilis

avtobuszea gamobmuli buqsirze

da saiTac miSas avtobusi wava,

TargamaZis avtobusic iqiT midis...

giorgi

gamezardaSvili


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi

jondi baRaTuria:

iseTi STabeWdileba

meqmneba, rom baton

biZinas rTuli xasiaTis

kaci vgonivar...

,,saerTo gazeTs” ,,qqarTuli dasis” lideri

jondi baRaTuria esaubra.

_ ,,qarTuli ocnebis” liderma JurnalistebTan

daadastura, rom Tqvens Soris

konsultaciebi mimdinareobda., rogorc

Tqven ambobT, Tu batonma biZinam, icoda

Tqveni gadawyvetileba saburTalos raion-

Si maJoritar kandidatad kenWis yris Sesaxeb,

maSin ratom miiRo aseTi gadawyvetileba

am olqSi daviT usufaSvilis wardgenis

Sesaxeb?

_ TandaTanobiT situacias valagebT

da etapobrivad movagvarebT. piradad, saurTierTod

rTuli adamiani ar var, Cem-

Tan komunikaciis gamonaxva SesaZlebelia,

magram iseTi STabeWdileba meqmneba, rom

baton biZinas rTuli xasiaTis kaci vgonivar.

vxedav, rom biZina ivaniSvils qarTvel

politikosebze maincdamainc kargi

warmodgena ar aqvs da am sakiTxSi mec ve-

Tanxmebi. Tumca unda iTqvas, rom politikaSi

bevri Rirseuli adamianicaa.

_ sabolood, gadawyvetili ar aris

dasi koaliciaSi gaerTiandebiT,

an saerTod, ra saxiT moxdeba

Tqveni urTierToba?

_ jerjerobiT gadawyvetileba

miRebuli ar aris da aRniSnuli

sakiTxebi ganxilvis

Temaa.

_ batono jondi, erTi Tvis

ukanac acxadebdiT, rom ,,qar-

Tuli ocnebasTan” konsultaciebi

mimdinareobda, Tumca

konkretuli Sedegi ar Cans.

sabolood, rodis moxdeba realurad

poziciebis Sejereba?

_ gadawyvetilebis miReba,

roca mxolod Cemzea damokidebuli

vici, rodis miviReb, magram

axla konkretuli gadawyvetilebis

miReba mxolod Cemze

damokidebuli araa. miuxedavad

amisa, ,,qarTuli dasi” ar Cerdeba,

midis Tavisi gziT. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu er-

Toba ar Sedga saarCevno kampaniis dasawyebad,

partia mzadaa da umravles raioneb-

Sic SerCeuli gvyavs maJoritari kandidatebi.

_ ivaniSvilis mxridan molodinis re-

JimiT erTgvarad partias xom ar daazaralebT,

radgan droulad ver daiwyebT winaasarCevno

kampaniasa da ver waradgenT

,,qarTuli dasis” maJoritar kandidatebs?

_ albaT, procesebis dalagebas, maqsimum,

erTi kvira davelodebiT, gavigoT, Tu

vis, ra, rogor unda.

_ ratom gaiwela konsultaciebi

Tqvensa da ivaniSvils Soris?

_ zogadad, qveyanaSi rTuli

politikuri procesi mimdinareobs,

Sesabamisad, gadawyvetilebebis

miRebas garkveuli sirTuleebic

axlavs. vcdilobT, TanamSromlobisTvis

ukeTesi formati SevarCioT,

amitom gagrZelda xangr-

Zlivad procesi.

_ im SemTxvevaSi Tu moxda

,,qarTuli dasis” koaliciaSi gawevrianeba

rogori iqneba, Tqveni

pozicia. moxsniT kandidaturas saburTaloze?

_ me var saburTalos maJoritari

kandidati da sanam Cems kandidaturas

davayenebdi, kolegialurad,

Cems kolegebTan konsultaciebi

gaviare, zogTan sami, nawilTan

ori Tvis ukan da mxolod

amis Semdeg moxda Cemi maJoritarad

dasaxeleba.

_ Secdomaze miuTiTeT ivaniSvils da

rogor fiqrobT, rogor gamoasworebs

,,qarTuli ocnebis” lideri Secdomas saburTaloze

moxsnis daviT usufaSvilis

kandidaturas?

_ biZina ivaniSvili Zlieri politikuri

lideri da niWieri adamiania, amitom

Cemi Wkuis swavlebis gareSe rogorRac

moaxerxebs gadawyvetilebis miRebas. sakiTxi,

vfiqrob, SeTaxmebadia. arc vnerviulob,

radgan saqme maqvs gonier adamian-

Tan da yvelafers SeTanxmebis, pativiscemis

gziT gadavwyvetT.

_ gasul kviras NDI-is kvlevebi politikuri

partiis reitingebis Sesaxeb gamoqveynda.

kvlevam ra giCvenaT, rogor

fiqrobT, ra taqtika iqneba opoziciisTvis

momgebiani?

_ samwuxarod, navaro kvlevis Catarebas

ukveTavs kompanias, romelic aris

yofili ceskos Tavmjdomaris levan TarxniSvilis

mflobelobaSi. igi saakaSvi-

lis Tanagundeli da mxardamWeria, ris gamoc,

yovelTvis gayalbebul kvlevis Sedegebs

aqveynebs, Tanac iseT komikursa da absurduls,

rom sazogadoebas kvlevebisadmi

ndoba daekarga. Cven partiuli kvleva

ivnisis TveSi CavatareT. axla Sedegebis

dajameba mimdinareobs, magram minda gagaxaroT,

rom ,,qarTul dass” 12%-mde mxardamWeri

hyavs.

_ maSin, ratom ar aisaxa Tqveni reitingi

kvlevaSi?

K_ kvleva, romelic gveubneba, rom

Turme giorgi TargamaZesa da inga grigolias

ivaniSvilze maRali mxardaWera aqvs,

sxvas ras unda velodo?

miranda nabaxteveli

vesaubrebiT koalicia ``qqarTuli ocnebis~

ekonomikur eqqsperts _ baton

demur giorxeliZes

_ batono demur, rogor SeafasebT

xelisuflebis winasaarCevno programas,

litoni sityvebiT manipulireba dRes

ukve SeuZlebelia realoba ki dapirebeb-

Tan araadekvaturi opozicias gasaqans

ar aZleven, mokled, brZola, araTanabar

pirobebSi mimdinareobs, oqtomberi ki

axlovdeba...

_ TavisTavad cxadia, rom winasaar-

Cevno kampania dawyebulia, aqamde xelisufleba

`zRaprul~ qveyanas aSenebda

TavisTvis, sadac qveynis mosaxleobis

ZiriTadi nawili ar figurirebda am miznebsa

da amocanebSi. Tumca, gaCnda

axali politikuri Zala `qarTuli

ocnebis~ saxiT, romelic dRes Zalas

ikrebs da saR mosazrebebs sTavazobs

sazogadoebas.

Tu xelisufleba im danaSaulebriv

ekonomikur politikas gaagrZelebda,

romelic qveynis mamam da

`didma reformatorma~ qveynis gasa-

Ratakeblad da gasanadgureblad gadadga

qveyana ufro uares mdgomareobaSi

aRmoCndeboda, amitom axali

premier-ministri mixvda, rom im Zveli

sisuleebis gagrZeleba ar SeiZleboda.

marTalia man axali programa

ver warmoadgina, magram Tqva,

rom axali prioritetebi daasaxela.

marTalia, es prioritetebi manamde

`qarTulma ocnebam~ gaaJRera, magram es

ar iyo damTxveva. es yvelaferi gvikarnaxa

drom da situaciam, romelic dRes

qveyanaSi arsebobs.

_ koalicia `qarTul ocnebas~ Tavisi

ekonomikuri programa jer ar warmoudgenia,

Tumca, mecnierTa didi jgufi,

maT Soris Tqvenc, am mimarTulebiT mu-

SaobT, ramdenad realuri iqneba gansaxorcieleblad

es programa?

_ Cveni programa absoluturad realuria,

imitom, rom gvyavs dargis sauke-

Teso specialistebi

da Tu maTi gamocdilebagamoyenebuli

iqneba, saqme

gamova. am programis

Seqmnaze Cven

Svidi Tve vimuSaveT

da sareklamod

araferi gagvikeTebia,

warmovadgineT

fundamentaluri

koncefcia qveynis

ekonomikisa da misi

calkeuli dargebisa.

masSi Sedis rogorc

energetikis

programa, ise satransporto

mimar-

Tulebis, makroekonomika,

mcire da

saSualo biznesi da a.S. cota Tavisebureba

is gaxlavT, rom `qarTuli ocneba~

aris koalicia romelSic aris xuTi subieqti

da yvelam Tavisi xedva warmoadgina,

rac SemdgomSi, cxadia, gaTvaliswinebuli

iqneba. Tumca, is programa rac

`qarTul ocnebas~ aqvs, Tamamad SemiZlia

giTxraT, rom aris fundamenturi, romelic

SemdgomSi qveynis samoqmedo gegma

unda gaxdes.

_ ratom ar gamoaqveyneT?

_ yvela msurvels SeuZlia movides

da naxos, is Zalian didia _ 18 tomi.

Tu rodis da rogori formiT gavrceldeba

is, amas `qarTuli ocnebis~ politikuri

xelmZRvaneloba gadawyvets.

me, piradad, mixeil saakaSvils yvelaze

did Secdomad mimaCnia is, rom man

oligarq kaxa benduqiZes Caabara reformebis

ganxorcieleba saqarTveloSi, amas

arc erTi gonieri adamiani ar gaakeTebda.

is, rac dRemde kaxa benduqiZem qveyanaSi

gaakeTa, qarTveli xalxi rom

Zlieri yofiliyo, ar dauSvebda! sabolood

misi reformebidan is miviReT,

rom man Tavisi saqme gaikeTa, gaaCnia monopoliebi,

xelisuflebis wevrebTan er-

Tad gadainawila qoneba da qveyanaSi miviReT

totaluri umuSevroba. misi reformebis

periodSi erTi samuSao adgilic

ki ar Seqmnila. idiotizmia is reforma,

romelic samuSao adgilebs ar

qmnis. man mxolod Tavisi viwro wrisaT-

kaxa benduqiZis

reformebi sruli

idiotizmia

vis Seqmna kargi pirobebi. es iyo benduqiZis

reformebis Sedegi. pirdapir getyviT

_ maT es simdidre ar SerCebaT!

dRes qarTvel kacs aqvs ori gza, an

normaluri saxelmwifo Camoayalibos da

demokratiul principebze aaSenos, an

benduqiZeebi qveyanaSi Tavis saqmeebs gaikeTeben

da qarTvel kacs aq aRar daedgomeba!

soflis meurneobis migdebas, romelsac

benduqiZis reforma iTvaliswinebda,

erTgvari seriozuli mizani hqonda

_ soflad xalxis ayra da im miwebis

miTviseba! es iyo mzakvruli gegma,

romelsac qarTveli xalxi, miuxedavad

dRevandeli mdgomareobisa, aravis ar

apatiebs. xalxma rom apatios, RmerTi

ar apatiebs!

_ batono demur, biZina ivaniSvilsac

rom oligarqs eZaxian da ukiJineben?

_ biZina ivaniSvili oligarqi ar

aris, misi saqmianoba wlebis ganmavloba-

Si saxeze iyo da mTavrobaSi yofniT fuli

ar uSovia. da Tu is dRes gancxadebebs

akeTebs, masSi qveynis ganviTarebis

da mdgomareobidan gamoyvanis Rrma azria

Cadebuli. es aris misi Sansi _ saqmis

gasakeTeblad da es Sansi yvela moqalaqes

Tanabrad ekuTvnis.

_ oqtomberSi koalicia `qarTuli

ocnebis~ gamarjvebas Tu xedavT?

_ iciT, ra, oqtombramde Zalian didi

droa, politikaSi ki asprocentiani

winaswari prognozebi ar arsebobs. garantiebi

arc erT mxares ara aqvs, `qar-

Tuli ocnebis~ gamarjveba ki imaze iqneba

damokidebuli, Tu ramdenad sworad

imoZravebs is, radganac mas hyavs erTaderTi

mokavSire am qveyanaSi _ es gaxlavT

qarTveli xalxi da misi ganwyoba.

uzusto nabijebi ki rom iyos gadadgmuli,

SemdgomSi winasaarCevnod es Zalian

mZimed aisaxeba qveynis momavalze.

Riad vacxadeb, rom `qarTul ocnebas~

aqvs bevri saSiSroeba da safrTxe,

radganac koaliciis zogierT wevrs

eiforia axasiaTebs. es aris Secdoma,

romlis gamosworeba aucilebelia.

eTer kasreliSvili

11


12 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

... da zeg ar iyo saqarTvelo!

vaxtang xarCilava

bolo xanebSi

aqtiurad daiwyo

saubari samoqalaqo

dapirispirebis Sesaxeb.

_ samoqalaqodapirispirebagardauvalia!

procesebi samoqalaqo

omisken midis! _ ise iolad da

arxeinad amboben am sityvebs mavanni

da mavanni, TiTqos did saxalxo seirnobas

exebodes saqme da ara oms,

sisxlisZRvras, qveynis daqcevas da

ganadgurebas.

etyoba, sayovelTao senad da

erovnul ubedurebad qceulma nihilizmma

sityvebTan Cveni damokidebulebac

Secvala da sityvebs ise meqanikurad,

uazrod warmovTqvamT, maT

Sinaarss ki ar vukvirdebiT da ar

vuRrmavdebiT.

ufro zustad rom vTqvaT, sityvebs

piridan ise vyriT, ise vifur-

TxebiT, rogorc mzesumziris CenCos.

es rom ase ar iyos, es ori sagangaSo

da SemaZrwunebeli sityva _ samoqalaqo

dapirispireba _ aseTi wam-

RerebiT ar warmoiTqmeboda.

Tu realobasTan axlos

aris is, rom samoqalaqo

dapirispirebisken miveqanebiT,

maSin mTeli qveyana

ase mSvidad ki ar unda usmendes

am informacias _

gangaSis zarebs unda arisxebdes!

gangaSis zarebis darisxeba

ki ara CamiCumi ar ismis

arsaidan.

TiTqos es ambavi qarTvel xalxs

saerTod ar exeba, TiTqos es dapirispireba

saqarTvelos teritoriaze

ki ara, sadRac sxvagan unda moxdes

da es sazareli omi arc Cvens

saxlebs Seexeba, arc Cven, arc

Cvens Svilebs, arc Cvens SviliSvilebs,

arc Cvens axlobel-naTesavebs.

qarTveli xalxi, qarTveli sazogadoeba

isea gasusuli, gegoneba, SesaZlo

samoqalaqo dapirispirebaSi

mxolod politikosebi da politikuri

organizaciebi gamarTaven erTmaneTTan

xelCarTul brZolebs, Cven ki

brZolis Sedegebs davelodebiT da

gamarjvebuls dafnis gvirgvins davadgamT,

rom axla iman gvipatronos

da gvebatonos.

* * *

wlis bolos, dekembris miwuruls,

oci weli Sesruldeba im

dRidan, roca rusTavelis prospeqtze

pirveli tyvia gavarda da qarTvelTa

Soris sisxliani dapirispireba

daiwyo.

miuxedavad imisa, rom sadacaa oci

weli gasruldeba im sabediswero momentidan,

dRemde aravin icis danamdvilebiT

vin isrola is pirveli

tyvia, romelic, Cemi azriT, dRemde

ar gaCerebula da dRemde brunavs haerSi.

arc oci wlis winaT

dawyebuli is omi damTavrebula

dRemde.

ufro metic, rac dRes

xdeba, swored im sazareli

omis gagrZeleba mgonia...

marTalia, arc avtomatis

kakani ismis , arc zarbaznebis

griali, arc tankebis

gruxuni, magram is

omi dRemde grZeldeba

Cvens xsovnaSi, Cvens mogonebebSi,

Cvens yoveldRiur

urTierTobaSi.

Cven is omic ki ver davam-

TavreT bolomde da axal

oms viwyebT?

iqneb imitomac vapirebT

axali omis dawyebas, is Zveli

rom ver davamTavreT?

marTalia, 2005 wels saqarTvelos

parlamentma politikuri Sefaseba

ki misca 1992 wlis 22 dekembers

dawyebul ubedurebas, magram

politikur Sefasebas samarTlebrivi

Sefasebebi ar mohyolia da arc konkretuli

damnaSaveebis pasuxismgeblobis

sakiTxi damdgara dRemde.

amitomac aris is omi daumTavrebeli

da amitomac emzadebian viRacviRacebi

im daumTavrebeli omis ga-

sagrZeleblad da erTxel da samudamod

dasamTavreblad.

Tu es moxdeba, albaT, saqarTveloc

damTavrdeba maSin da cocxlebic

da mkvdrebic erTad davisvenebT...

* * *

brZolebi damTavrda da Caketili

rusTavelis prospeqti rom gaixsna,

is koSmaruli suraTi, rac me iq vnaxe,

arasodes amoiSleba Cemi mexsierebidan.

ver aRvwer am suraTs, SeuZlebelia

amis gamoxatva, es sakuTari TvaliT

unda naxo, rom mixvde, ra SeuZlia

siZulvils.

ar vici, saidan hqondaT amdeni

tyvia-wamali, saidan hqondaT amdeni

Wurvi, amdeni yumbarmtyorcni da, rac

mTavaria, saidan hqondaT amdeni siZulvili,

rom ase iavareyoT yvelaferi?

dro gavida, tyviiT dacxriluli

kedlebi gailesa, dangreuli Senobebi

aSenda, totebgasxepilma xeebma

axali totebi Seisxes da kvlav simwvaniT

Seimosnen, magram siZulvils

araferi eSvela, siZulvils saSveli

ar daadga _ is dRemde gvanadgurebs,

gvxleCs da axali dapirispirebis da

angariSsworebisken gvibiZgebs.

* * *

gana argumentebi ar maqvs,

magram nu momTxovT

argumentebiT imis damtkicebas,

rasac axla vityvi.

ise, sityvaze mendeT: afxazeTi

da samaCablo afxaze-

Tis da samaCablos teritoriebze

wagebuli brZolebis

gamo ki ara aq, rus-

Tavelze, erTmaneTisTvis

nasroli tyviis gamo davkargeT.

saerTod yvelaferi, yvela ubedureba,

rac dRes gvWirs, im erTi tyviis

gamo gvWirs da sanam im tyvias

ukan, lulaSi ar CavabrunebT, mSvidoba

da Tanxmoba ar iqneba saqarTveloSi.

qarTvelma xalxma

samoqalaqo dapirispireba

ar unda dauSvas!

* * *

_ ratom ar uyvarT qarTvelebs

saqarTvelo? _ es is

kiTxvaa, romlisTvisac srulfasovani

pasuxi ver momiZebnia.

marTla, ratom ar uyvarT

qarTvelebs saqarTvelo?

albaT imitom, rom qar-

Tvelebs qarTvelebi ar uyvarT

iseTi siyvaruliT,

romelic im qveyanasac Segayvarebs,

sadac qarTvelebi

cxovroben.

ra Tqma unda, uklebliv yvela

qarTvelze ar vambob imas, rac axla

vTqvi, magram qarTvelTmoZule qarTvelebsac

rom bevrs vxedav garSemo,

amas ra vuyoT?

raRac anomaliaa es, SeiZleba, fsiqikuri

problemaa, SeiZleba, saukune-

Ta ganmavlobaSi sisxlSi Semoparuli

da iq darCenili ucxo genis avanturistuli

gamovlineba Tu gamoxtoma,

an kidev sxva ram, magram, faqtia, qar-

TvelTa erT nawils arc qarTvelebi

uyvars da arc saqarTvelo.

SeiZleba, bevrisTvis miuRebel

ucnaur raRacas vambob, magram kargad

mimoixedeT garSemo, kargad daakvirdiT

Tqvens zogierT Tanamemamules,

daakvirdiT maTi cxovrebis

wess da advilad darwmundebiT, rom

es asea.

SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! ... da xval iyo omi!


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

zogisTvis cixea es qveyana,

saidanac rogorme unda

gaiqces, zogisTvis monebiT

dasaxlebuli teritoria,

sadac misi ampartavnoba,zRvargadacilebuli

ambiciebi da egoisturi

instinqtebi advilad

SeiZleba daicxros da daikmayofilos,

zogisTvis

ki sarfiani savaWro adgili,

bazroba, `iarmarka~,

supermarketi, romlebic

saxelisuflo apartamentebSi,

samTavrobo struqturebSi,

parlamentSia Setanili

da sadac gacxovelebuli

vaWroba midis saqarTveloTi.

saqarTvelo ar iyidebao, ki ambobs

nasariZe, magram sinamdvileSi

saqarTvelo, rogorc amboben, mTlianad

gayiduli da gadanawilebulia.

ai, amis Camosawerad, amis iuridiulad

gasaformeblad xom ar WirdebaT

viRac-viRacebs omi da am mizniT

xom ar eZeben sparingpartniors?

* * *

xelisufleba Sarzea _ me

demokratiuli, samarTliani

da obieqturi arCevnebis

CatarebisTvis viRvwi, viRacebi

ki omisa da revoluciisTvis

emzadebiano.

am `viRacebSi~ mocemul

situaciaSi xelisufleba

`qarTul ocnebas~ da mis

liders biZina ivaniSvils

gulisxmobs, romelsac ruseTis

kacad da rusuli saxelmwifos

interesebis gamtarebel

figurad acxadebs.

ena rogor unda mogitrialdes

kacs, biZina ivaniSvili ruseTis agentad

Seracxo, Tumca amaze saubars

Tavi davaneboT da is gavixsenoT, kidev

vin iyvnen e.w. ruseTis agentebi

am xelisuflebis mtkicebiT.

vin iyvnen da igor giorgaZe, badri

patarkaciSvili, nino burjanaZe,

Salva naTelaSvili, zurab noRaideli,

konstantine gamsaxurdia, cotne

gamsaxurdia, levan berZeniSvili,

irakli oqruaSvili, koba daviTaSvili,

zviad ZiZiguri, goga xaindrava,

levan gaCeCilaZe, gubaz sanikiZe,

sxvebi da sxvebi...

ra gamodis, yvela vinc

ki kritikuli sityva Sehbeda

mis umwikvloesoba xelisuflebas,

uklebliv yvela

maincdamainc ruseTis,

mxolod da mxolod ruse-

Tis agenturaa?

ar SeiZleba kaci ubralod

iyos opoziciaSi da

ar iyos ruseTis agenti?

roca, xelisuflebis SefasebiT,

yvela opozicioneri erTi saxelmwifos,

am SemTxvevaSi, ruseTis agentia,

Cndeba eWvi, rom xelisufleba xelovnurad

akowiwebs mexuTe kolonas,

rom mere am kolonasTan angariSsworebis

sababiT Zalismieri meTodebiT

gauswordes misTvis arasasurvel

yvela politikur subieqts.

aris kidev erTi garemoeba: Tu

mTeli opoziciuri speqtri prorusuli

orientaciisa, gamodis, rom

prorusuli orientaciisaa is eleqtoratic,

romelic am opoziciur

speqtrs uWers mxars.

biZina ivaniSvilis SemTxvevaSi,

Tu xelisuflebas davujerebT da

virwmunebT, rom ivaniSvili rusuli

proeqtia, avtomaturad keTdeba daskvna,

rom is asiaTasobiT qarTveli,

romlebic ivaniSvils uWeren mxars,

prorusuli orientaciisa yofilan

da, aqedan gamomdinare, yalbia Turme

is informacia, TiTqos saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis 70 procenti saqarTvelos

natoSi gawevrianebis momxrea.

xelisufleba mTeli opoziciuri

speqtris prorusul

Zalad monaTvliT,

faqtobrivad, eWvqveS ayenebs

Tavisi legitimurobis

sakiTxs da im daskvnamde

mivyavarT, rom is saqar-

Tvelos mosaxleobis umravlesobas

ar aurCevia da

arCevnebis gayalbebiT aris

dauflebuli Zalauflebas,

risi gakeTebac mas

gareSe Zalebis mxardaWeris

gareSe ar SeeZlo.

gamodis, rom es xelisufleba

TviTon aris romeliRac

ucxo qveynis an

ucxo qveynebis romeliRac

aliansis agentura.

sulac ar aris gamoricxuli, rom

es ucxo qveyana ruseTi iyos...

gemaxsovrebaT, zviad gamsaxurdias

damxobis Semdeg bevri adamiani, romlebic

ruseTis xmalamoRebul mtrebad

da Seurigebel oponentebad iTvlebodnen,

swored ruseTma Seifara

da ruseTma upatrona.

am saakaSvils da mis gunds gasaqcevad

Tu Seeqna saqme, gamoricxuli

ar aris, maTi umravlesoba isev ruseTis

mowyale kalTas Seefaros da

iqidan dagveWyanos _ mogatyueT, qar-

Tvelebo, Cvens mier agentebad gamocxadebuli

pirebi ki ara, ruseTis

agentebi Cven viyaviTo...

* * *

amaswinaT erT gazeTSi yofili

mxedrionelebis da zviad gamsaxurdias

momxreebi polemikas Sehyvnen da

gamsaxurdias momxreebma iseTi codvebi

gauxsenes mxedrionelebs, Tmebi

yalyze daudgeboda kacs.

redaqciam saswrafod Sewyvita

polemika, radgan mixvda, rom am sa-

Sineli ambebis gaxseneba ar SeiZleboda...

zemoT vTqvi, rom is sazareli

omi jer kidev ar damTavrebula da

sul mcire naperwkalia saWiro, rom

jerjerobiT luqdadebulma im si-

Zulvilma kvlav ifeTqos.

aravis araferi ar daviwynia, radgan

aseTi raRacebis daviwyeba SeuZlebelia.

daviwyebiT ver daiviwyeb, magram

SexebiTac ar unda Seexo, ar unda

uCxikino, Torem SeiZleba naRmiviTi

afeTqdes...

danaRmul vels hgavs im avadmosagonari

ZmaTamkvleli omis gaxseneba.

im gazeTSi moTxrobil ambebze

ufro Semzaravi ambebi vici, Tumca am

ambebze arasodes damiweria, arasodes

misaubria sajarod, radgan es igivea,

adamianebs xelaxla mouwodo da xelaxla

waaqezo SurisZiebisken.

erT rames mainc vityvi: aravis

iseTi azartiT, iseTi mondomebiT da

iseTi sisastikiT da daundoblobiT

ar ebrZvis qarTveli, rogorc qarTvels.

Tundac amitom ar SeiZleba qarTvelTa

Soris omi, radgan omi qarTvelTa

Soris omi ki ara TviTmkvlelobaa...

* * *

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi

cdiloben saqme ise warmoaCinon,

TiTqos viRac revoluciisTvis da

samoqalaqo dapirispirebisTvis emzadeba,

TviTon ki yvelafers akeTeben

imisTvis, rom am samzadiss xeli SeuSalon

da arCevnebi mSvidobianad da

samarTlianad Caataron.

`Cemi Sen giTxario, guli mogikalio~,

`gaRma Seedave da gamoRma dagrCebao~

_ swored amazea naTqvami.

biZina ivaniSvils revolucia

da xelisuflebaSi

Zalismieri gzebiT mosvlarom

sdomoda, raRa er-

Ti wlis ganmavlobaSi ga-

Wimavda `am saqmes~ da yvavyoraniviT

miseul `nacmoZraobas~

Tavs ratom daakortninebda

_ gasuli wlis

oqtombris TveSive, roca

politikaSi mosvlis ganacxadi

gaakeTa, erTi rom

eTqva: _ xalxo, gamodiT gareT

da am qvab-avazakebs kudiT

qva vasrolinoTo, mTeli

saqarTvelo gamovidoda

gareT da es imdenad mas-

Staburi, imdenad grandiozuli

saprotesto gamosv-

saerTo gazeTi

la iqneboda, yovelgvari

sisxlisRvrisa da eqscesebis

gareSe, triumfalur

gamarjvebas moipovebda.

biZina ivaniSvili ar wavida am

gziT da miuxedavad xelisuflebis

mier misi misamarTiT ganxorcielebuli

araerTi maprovocirebeli qmedebisa

(moqalaqeobis CamorTmeva, usafuZvlo

jarimebi, dayadaRebebi da

a.S.) man SeZlo SeenarCunebina simSvide

da erTguli darCeniliyo principisa:

_ xelisufleba unda Seicvalos

mxolod da mxolod arCevnebiT.

roca akvirdebi, Tu rogori SeupovrobiT

da stoicizmiT, rogori

moTminebiT midis igi dasaxuli miznisken,

rogor ar aqcevs yuradRebas

Seuracxmyofel replikebs, binZur

ciliswamebebs da usafuZvlo braldebebs,

rogor mouwodebs yoveldRe

Tavis asiaTasobiT mxardamWers, ar

ahyvnen xelisuflebis provokaciul

gamowvevebs, yovelive amis Semdeg Zalian

sindisgarecxili unda iyo, rom

am adamians revoluciisken miswrafebebSi

da Zalismieri meTodebiT Zaluflebis

xelSi Cagdebis mcdelobaSi

dasdo brali.

xelisufleba waRma-ukuRma atrialebs

ivaniSvilis gancxadebas _ Tu

arCevnebi gayalbda, Cven davicavT

Cvens xmebs _ da am gancxadebaSi ratomRac

samoqalaqo dapirispirebisken

mowodebas xedavs.

_ ivaniSvils ar ainteresebs ar-

Cevnebis Sedegebi... mas ainteresebs

situaciis daZabva, temperaturis

kritikul zRvramde aweva, amisTvis

ki sababad arCevnebis gayalbebis Temas

gamoiyenebs, _ askvnian `nacmoZraobis~

warmomadgenlebi.

rogorc vTqviT, oqtombridan

dRemde TiTqmis aTi Tvis ganmavloba-

Si situaciis gamwvavebis imdeni mizezi

da sababi hqonda ivaniSvils,

mas rom es sdomoda, aTjer moaxdenda

revolucias.

cxadia, problema ivaniSvilis

`revoluciur axirebebsa da amboxeba-ajanyebisadmi

midrekilebebSi ki

ar aris, aramed xelisuflebis paTologiamde

misul survilSi, radac

ar unda daujdes, nebismieri xerxiT,

nebismieri meTodebiT, maT Soris

pirvelyovlis, arCevnebis gayalbebiT

SeinarCunos Zalaufleba, radgan Zalauflebis

SenarCuneba aris mosalodneli

pasuxismgeblobisgan Tavis

daRwevis erTaderTi garanti.

faqtia, xelisuflebam icis, rom

obieqtur, samarTlian arCevnebSi is

`qarTul ocnebas~ ver mougebs, ami-

13

tom mas sxva gamosavali ar aqvs, SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS! SOS!

14 gv.


14 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

13 gv.

garda gayalbebisa, gayalbebis

Semdeg ki Tu xalxi Tavisi

xmebis dasacavad quCaSi

gamova, is mzad aris, xalxis-

Tvis konstituciiT miniWebuli

ufleba _ daicvas Tavisi

xmebi, gaaprotestos

usamarTloba da ukanonoba _

amboxebad, saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg

mimarTul qmedebad

gamoacxados da quCaSi gamosul

mSvidobian mosaxleobas

sastikad gauswordes, rac am

xelisuflebas aqamdec bevrjer

gaukeTebia.

cotaTi utrirebuli

formiT rom

vTqvaT, xelisufleba

iribad migvaniSnebs

Semdegze: _ momeciT

arCevnebis gayalbebis

saSualeba,

aRiareT gayalbebuli

Sedegebi, aRiareT,

rom gavimarjve,

Tu amas ar gaake-

TebT da xmis amoRebas

gabedavT, yvelaferze

wamsvleli

var...

xelisufleba, faqtobrivad,gvaSantaJebs

da denTis

kasrze Sesmul qveyanas

afeTqebiT emuqreba

Tu arCevnebSi

damarcxdeba.

eqspertTa da politologTa

azriT, xelisufleba

amuSavebs kidev erT saTadarigo

variants _ es aris

omis provocireba, am motiviT

sagangebo mdgomareobis

gamocxadeba, saparlamento

arCevnebis CaSla da gaurkveveli

vadiT gadadeba.

eqspertTa azriT, es moxdeba

maSin, Tu xelisuflebas

arCevnebSi gamarjvebis yvelanairi

imedi gadaewureba.

samwuxarod, saakaSvili

da misi gundi mmarTvelobis

am cxra wlis ganmavlobaSi

Cadenili codvebis da dana-

Saulebebis mZevalia.

sakuTari warsuli damokles

maxviliviT hkidia maT

Tavze da erTi waforxilebac

sakmarisia, es maxvili maT

kiserze daeSvas.

* * *

aseTi mZime, Zalze sagangaSo

suraTi daixata am werilSi,

Tumca, vfiqrobT,

arc araferi gagvizviadebia

da arc araferi gamogvigonia.

es realobaa, mkacri, feT-

qebadsaSiSi, sabediswero realoba,

romlis Selamazebis

da Seferadebis ufleba aravis

ar aqvs, radgan sakiTxi

qveynis yofna-aryofnas exeba.

ara aqvs mniSvneloba, ra

sababiT, ra subieqturi Tu

obieqturi mizezebiT SeiZleba

daiwyos samoqalaqo dapirispireba

saqarTveloSi, yvela

SemTxvevaSi, pasuxismgebloba

xelisuflebas ekisreba

da mokiTxviTac swored mas

moekiTxeba yvelaferi.

xelisufleba unda

mixvdes, xelisuflebam

unda gaacnobieros,

rom misi gadarCenis

da SemdgomSic

politikuri

saqmianobis gagrZelebis

erTaderTi

Sansi arCevnebis gauyalbeblad,demokratiulad,civilizebulad

Catarebaa,

anu is gzaa, romelsac

biZina ivaniSvili

qveyanas sTavazobs.

sxva gamosavali, ubralod,

ar arsebobs!

es unda gaacnobieros am

xelisuflebam da Sahidis qamarSebmuli

TviTmkvleliviT

ar unda moiqces.

merwmuneT, xval rom samoqalaqo

an sxva tipis omi

daiwyos saqarTveloSi, zeg

ar iqneba qarTuli saxelmwifo.

iqneba qveyana, magram ar

iqneba saxelmwifo...

erTaderTi Zala, romelsac

SeuZlia aRkveTos es sa-

SiSroeba _ aris qarTveli

xalxi.

swored qarTvelma xalxma

unda ganacxados mTeli kategoriulobiT,

rom is ar dauSvebs

raime saxis provokacias,

romelic omis safr-

Txes realurs gaxdis.

* * *

werilis dasawyisSi

vTqviT, rom gasuli saukunis

90-ian wlebSi dawyebuli

omi jer ar damTavrebula.

arsebobs eWvi, rom is, samoqalaqo

omad monaTluli,

magram sinamdvileSi mTeli

saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg mimarTuli

omi dRes im avanturistebis

partiul SviliSvilebs

surT daamTavron,

romelTa politikurma winaprebmac

daiwyes igi.

daamTavron is daumTavrebeli

omi da amiT daamTavron

saqarTveloc.

guram CaxvaZe: `nacionaluri moZraobis~

programa mxolod winasaarCevno piaria

,,saerTo gazeTs” qveyanaSi Seqmnil

politikur procesebTan dakavSirebiT

,,erovnul-demokratiuli” partiis

erT-erTi lideri, parlamentari guram

CaxvaZe esaubra.

_ batono guram, sazogadoebas

mouwodeT, uari Tqvan mmarTveli gundis

winasaarCevno programaze da xeli

ar moaweron ,,nacionaluri moZraobis”

proeqts ,,xelSekruleba saqar-

TvelosTan”. ratom, ra aris mizezi?

_ SegaxsenebT, rom mmarTvelma

gundma amomrCevelTan amgvar xelSekrulebas

xeli ukve orjer, 2004 da

2008 ww saparlamento arCevnebis

dros, im pirobiT, moawera rom socialur

problemebs moagvarebda, daZlevda

umuSevrobas, magram ,,nacionalurma

moZraobam” piroba orive saxelisuflo

vadis dros daarRvia. Cveulebriv

yofiT pirobebSi, pirovnebas,

romelic xelSekrulebas daarRvevs,

ndoba aRar unda gamoucxado. politikaSic

asea. amitom sazogadoebas,

ubralod, Sevaxsene, rom saakaSvilis

xelisuflebam piroba gatexa da maT

kidev erTxel mxari aRar unda dau-

Wiron.

meore mizezi, ris gamoc ,,nacionaluri

moZraobis” proeqts amomrCevelma

mxari ar unda dauWiros, aris

is, rom programa Sedegze orientirebuli

ar aris da winasaarCevno piarisTvisaa

gankuTvnili. Tumca dokumentSi

warmodgenili sakiTxebi saqar-

Tvelos mosaxleobisTvis prioritetulia.

_ ,,nacionaluri moZraobis”

programis mixedviT, bolo oTxi

wlis ganmavlobaSi unda ganaxevrdes

umuSevarTa raodenoba, unda moxdes

samuSaos maZiebelTa kvalifikaciis

amaRleba, soflis meurneobis ganviTareba.

ratom TvliT, rom amis miRweva

SeuZlebelia da programa Sedegze

orientirebuli ar iqneba?

_ mmarTveli gundis gegmiT unda

moxdes umuSevarTa aRwera, datreningeba

da Sesabamis bazaSi daregistrireba.

ra aklia am gegmas da ratom

ver mivaRwevT realur Sedges?

pirveli aris is, rom aucilebelia

Sesabamisi sakanonmdeblo bazis arseboba

sadac gansazRvruli iqneba umu-

Sevris samarTlebrivi statusi.

meore, Cven gvWirdeba umuSevrobis

dazRveva, rac saxelmwifos mxridan

umuSevrebze fuladi daxmarebis gawevas

gulisxmobs. arc erTi maTgani

,,nacionaluri” moZraobis gegmaSi SemoTavazebuli

ar aris.

amasTan, rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania,

saxelmwifo umuSevar adamianebs

unda daexmaros axali samuSao adgilis

moZiebaSi, raca aseve am gegmaSi

ar aris.

_ mmarTvelma gundma dasaqmebis

saminitro swored amisTvis Camoayaliba

da saTaveSi paata trapaiZe Cauyena.

_ paata trapaiZe uporTfelo ministria,

romelsac saminitro ar gaaCnia.

Eis aris ministri, romelsac

dasaqmebis politikis realizaciisTvis

Sesabamisi struqtura ar aqvs.

amitom vambobT erovnul-demokratebi

rom, saWiroa, qveyanaSi Camoyalibdes

dasaqmebis saxelmwifo saagento, igive

Sromis birJa. mas eqneba regiona-

luri ganyofilebebi, sadac registracias

gaivlian umuSevari

moqalaqeebi da miiReben umuSevrobis

yovelTviur Semweobas,

gaivlian ufaso profesiul gadamzadebas

da saagento daexmareba

maT axali samuSao adgilis

moZiebaSi.

_ rac Sexeba mmarTveli

gundis programas soflis meurneobasTan

mimarTebaSi, aqac

TvliT, rom umuSevrobis msgavsad

Sedegi ar gveqneba?

_ soflis meurneobaSi meqanizaciis

sakmarisi raodenobis,

gamarTuli infrasruqturis

garda, mniSvnelovani sakiTxia,

ramdenad xelmisawvdomi iqneba

glexisTvis saxelmwifos mier

SeTavazebuli momsaxureba, romelic

SeiZleba, rig SemTxvevaSi, ker-

Zo seqtormac iTavos. Aamitom problema

isaa, ramdenad SeZlebs glexi

aRniSnul momsaxurebaSi fulis gadaxdas.

dRes erT-erTi mTavari problema

glexuri meurneobebis finansebze

xelmisawvdomobis naklebobaa.Aam

sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT erovnul-demokratebs

sakuTari gegma gvaqvs.

Uufaso araferi ar unda iyos, magram

kreditebi soflis meurneobas aucileblad

dabalprocentiani da grZelvadiani

sWirdeba. amisTvis aucilebelia

qveyanaSi Seiqmnas saxelmwifo

komerciuli agraruli banki, romeli

kreditebs mxolod soflis meurneobaze

da ZiriTadad, wvril glexur meurneobebze

gascems.

_ rogoria Tqveni strategia, ar-

CevnebSi damoukideblad miiRebT monawileobas,

Tu saarCevno blokis saxiT?

_ qveyanaSi stabiluri politikuri

garemos uzrunvelsayofad

,,erovnul-demokratebis” survilia

zomieri politikuri Zalebis gaerTianeba

moxdes.

_ zomier politikur ZalebSi vis

gulisxmobT?

_ ,,axal memarjveneebs“, „qristian-demokratebs”,

,,edp”-s. gaerTianeba

kargi iqneboda, magram es imas ar niSnavs,

rom ,,edp” arCevnebSi damoukideblad

monawileobis miRebaze ar mu-

Saobs.

_ rogoria, Tqveni damokidebuleba

arCevnebTan dakavSirebiT? xeli-

suflebis mxridan iqneba garantia,

rom saparlamento arCevnebSi evropuli

standartebis dacviT Tavisufal

da konkurentul garemoSi Catardeba?

_ arCevnebis demokratiulad Catareba

xelisuflebazea damokidebuli.

saqarTveloSi Catarebuli arCevnebi,

Tu saerTaSoriso sazogadoebam

aRiara, maSin saqarTvelo evroatlantikur

sivrceSi gasawevrianeblad

mniSvnelovan nabijebs gadadgams, rac

Cveni qveynis warmateba iqneba, imis miuxedavad

arCevnebSi vin gaimarjvebs.

riski, rom xelisufleba arCevnebs gaayalbebs,

yovelTvis arsebobs. Amis

gasaneitraleblad aucilebelia saer-

TaSoriso damkvirveblebisa da arasam-

Tavrobo seqtoris mobilizeba da saarCevno

procesebze dakvirveba. Tumca

samarTliani arCevnebis uzrunvelsayofad

aucilebelia qarTveli xalxis

aqtiuroba da saarCevno ubnebSi misvla.

_ batono guram, cota xnis win

ganacxadeT, rom ,,qarTuli ocnebis“‘’

gamarjvebis SemTxvevaSi saqarTvelo

damoukideblobas dakargavs. Tqveni

poziciis gasamyareblad ra argumenti

gagaCniaT?

_ politikuri TvalsazrisiT,

,,qarTuli ocneba” prorusuli Zalaa.

vgulisxmob, im politikur partiebs,

romlebic koaliciaSi gaerTiandnen,

nawili magaliTad, batoni daviTaSvili

da batoni ZiZiguri rusuli orientaciis

Sesaxeb Riad acxadeben. koaliciaSi

Semavali partiebis nawili

neitralitetis princips icaven, rac

,,edp”-Tvis saqarTvelos rusuli gavlenis

sferoSi dabrunebas niSnavs.

amasTan, ivaniSvilis gundis wevrebma

Tavis droze dades gegma saqarTvelos

teritoriuli mTlianobis dar-

Rvevis Sesaxeb, rac e,w. samxreT ose-

Tisa da afxazeTis calke subieqtad

aRiarebas gulisxmobda. es baton Tedo

jafariZis TanavtorobiT Seqmnili

proeqti gaxldaT. Tundac batoni paata

zaqareiSvili, romelic ,,respublikuri

partiis” saxeliT acxadebs

afxazeTisa da samxreT oseTTan konfederaciis

Seqmnis Sesaxeb.

_ batoni biZina ivaniSvili calsaxad

ambobs, rom saqarTvelos mizani

evroatlantikur struqturebSi

integraciaa. Sesabamisad, ,,qarTuli

ocneba”,’’ Tu rusuli interesebis

gamtarebelia, ivaniSvili ratom gamodis

amgvari mowodebebiT?

_ batonma ivaniSvilma, roca pirveli

werili gamoaqveyna, sadac ganmartebuli

iyo misi Sexedulebebi,

poziciebi, Tu rogor uyurebda saqar-

Tvelos momavals, kargad Canda misi

damokidebuleba qveynis sagareo veqtorebTan

dakavSirebiT da es namdvilad

prodasavluri orientacia ar

iyo. gorSi mosaxleobasTan Sexvedrisas

ivaniSvils sagareo orientirebis

Sesaxeb pozicia Secvlili hqonda da

Tqva, saqarTvelo natosa da evrokav-

Siris wevri unda gaxdeso.

Ppoziciebis aseTi cvalebis gamo ukve

mis gulwrfelobaSi eWvi mepareba.

_ Tqven ar eTanxmebiT mosazrebas,

rom ruseTTan urTierToba unda mowesrigdes?

_ aris politikosTa nawili, romelic

ambobs, rom ruseTTan urTier-

Toba sufTa furclidan unda da-

viwyoT. Amaze saubari miuRebelia ma-

Sin, roca rusebis mier saqarTvelos

teritoriebi okupirebulia. Tavdapirvelad

okupirebuli teritoriebis

aRdgena unda moxdes da mxolod amis

Semdeg SeiZleba saubari rusul bazarze

qarTuli produqciis dabrunebaze,

savaWro urTierTobis aRdgenasa

da sxva.

_ saubaria, rom saqarTveloSi

arCevnebis gayalbebis SemTxvevaSi

qveynis SigniT arsebuli destabilizaciiT

ruseTis xelisuflebam, SesaZloa,

isargeblos da saqarTveloSi

kvlav SemoiWras. rogoria Tqveni damokidebuleba?

_ NDI-is kvlevebma cxadi gaxda,

rom mosaxleobis umravlesoba quCaSi

gamosvlis momxre ar aris. cxadia,

safrTxe imisa, rom ruseTi saqarTveloSi

Semova, arsebobs da SeiZleba

sababad arCevnebis gayalbeba gamoiyenos.

miranda nabaxteveli


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

`saerrTo gazeTis~ stuumarria,

qqarrTli ocnebis“ maJJorritarrobis

kandidati senakis rraionSi, mwerrali

guram odiSaria.

_ batono guram, biZina ivaniSvilma

am marTlac umniSvnelovanesi

misiis Sesruleba Tqven

urTules periodsa da urTules

regionSi dagakisraT. faqtobrivad

urTules politikur

regions SeeWideT. saqarTveloSi

istoriulad umniSvnelovanesi

politikuri Zvrebi swored samgrelodan

iwyeboda yovelTvis.

rogor da ramdenad xarT amisTvis

mzad, batono guram?

_ simarTle giTxraT, saqarTvelos

da gansakuTrebiT Cemi mxaris

dasaxmareblad mzad yovelTvis

viyavi. samegrelo, istoriulad

da saqarTvelos istoriul-kulturuli

TvalsazrisiT,

umniSvnelovanes mxares warmoadgenda

da warmoadgens. axla ki,

TavisTavad, roca xdebi partiuli,

es met organizebulobas,

disciplinirebulobas da a.S moiTxovs,

magram axla ukve es

konkretulad batoni biZinas da

mTeli gundis davalebacaa is,

rom me senakSi viyaro kenWi. senaki

ki Cemi samSobloa. me soxum-

Si davibade, gavizarde da iq Cemi

mama-papaTa saZvalea. senakSi

aris erTi sofeli nosiri, aris

pirveli nosiri, meore nosiric

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Cven amas SevZlebT.

baia amaSukeli

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da kargia, Tu sacixod ar gauxda

saqme. aqedan gamomdinare,

msoflio farmacevtuli mafia

rom savsebiT realuri iyos,

ar unda gagikvirdeT, rom ar

iyos _ es ufro sakvirveli

iqneba.

gaxsovT, yvela afTiaqs

hqonda laboratoriis tipis

ganyofileba, sadac wamlebi

mzaddeboda da kapikebi Rirda,

rogor fiqrobT, vis intereseb-

Si unda yofiliyo maTi mospoba?

qimia! – janmrTelobis pirveli

mteri! Cven ratom viwodebiT

farmacevtebad, warmodgena

ar maqvs – vdgavarT daxl-

Tan da vyidiT Taroebze Tu

ujraSi moTavsebul prepataratebs,

isic ar viciT, gvaqvs Tu

ara, kompiuterSi unda vnaxoT.

aseTive warmatebiT vidgebodi

yasbis adgilze kunZTan da yasabi

afTiaqSi, Tumca is warmatebiT

SeZlebs farmacevtobas,

me ki, sakiTxavia, vivargeb yasbad?~

rogorc ityvian, yovelmxriv

mZime suraTia, kaci avad nu

gaxdeba, Torem wasulia misi

saqme...

maia WeliZe


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

qajebi modiano, ramdenime

wlis win gagvafrTxila

qalbatonma salome zurabiSvilma.

gamarTlda misi winaTgrZnoba,

qajebi movidnen da rac

Zalze savalaloa, gamravldnen

kidec!

qarTuli enis leqsikonSi,

sityva `qaji~ ganmartebulia,

rogorc: avsuli, eSmaki, kudiani,

macduri, Tavze xelaRebuli da

damTxveuli adamiani.

Tanamedrove gagebiT, qaji

anu qajuri qceva kidev ufro

mZime situacias gamoxatavs, romelsac

Cveni arakompetenturobis

gamo sxva ufro gasagebi an

zusti sinonimi ver mivusadageT.

miuxedavad amisa, SevecdebiT e.w.

qajoba da qajobis gamomxatveli

qcevebi konkretul da

realur faqtebze dayrdnobiT avxsnaT,

rac, imedia, advilad gasagebs

gaxdis qajobis fenomenis

niuansebs.

dRevandeli parlamentis wevrebis

umravlesobis damokidebulebas

qarTuli enis problemebisadmi,

qajobis mets verafers

davarqmevT. ramdeni werili iwereba

da ramdeni statia qveyndeba

zemoT aRniSnul sakiTxTan

dakavSirebiT, magram, rogorc

ityvian, Seayare kedels cercvi.

problema kompleqsuria da misi

mkvdari wertilidan daZvras

qarTuli sisxli Wirdeba.

qajobis gamoxatulebis

erT-erT mTavar qmedebad migvaCnia

xelisuflebis mier sakuTari

qveynis mosaxleobis daboleba

mraval sakiTxSi. sxva ra SeiZleba

davarqvaT iseT absurdebs,

rogorebicaa: `baTumi yvelaze

naklebnaleqiani qalaqia Savi

zRvis akvatoriaSi~, `baTumis

plaJi gacilebiT ufro keTilmowyobilia,

vidre nicis, kanis,

monte-karlosi, barselonas da

a.S~, `sam oTx weliwadSi avaSenebT

qalaq lazikas, sadac naxevari

milioni mosaxle iqneba~ da

mravali sxva. bunebrivia, aseTi

ugunurobebi komentars ar saWiroeben.

xelisufleba qajuri utifrobiT

gvimtkicebs, rom saqarTvelo

pirvel adgilzea msoflioSi

biznesis warmoebis simartiviT

da saimedobiT. aseT pirobeb-

Si ra RmerTi gauwyraT ucxoel

investorebs, rom Tundac Tbilisis

centrSi muqTad SeZenili miwis

nakveTebisa da Senobebis pi-

robebSi absoluturad yvela

dawyebuli sastumros mSenebloba

dakonservebuli rom aris?

xelisuflebas jer ar naxul

da gagonil qajobad unda CaeTvalos

Tavisi qveynis mosaxleobis-

Tvis sainformacio saSualebebis

SezRudvis yovelgvari mcdeloba

da nadiroba TefSebze. am mimar-

TebiT marTlac rom pirvel adgilze

varT msoflioSi.

qajobis damadasturebel

faqtebs ra gamolevs, magram imedia,

Semodgomaze, xelisuflebis

Secvlis Semdeg, mosaxleobis

ukidegano daboleba da abuCad

agdeba Sewydeba, magram Tavad

Cveni mosaxleobis sagrZnobi nawilis

qajobas, albaT, karga

xans araferi eSveleba. samwuxarod,

didi mtkiceba ar unda, rom

am mimarTebiT, anu Cveni mxridan,

qajobis gamovlinebis xarisxi

wlidan wlamde matulobs. arada,

sakiTxavi da dasafiqrebeli is

aris, rom Tundac Cems maxsovrobaSi,

anu daaxloebiT 50

wlis win sul sxva qveyanaSi

vcxovrobdiT. marto imis gaxseneba

rad Rirs, rogori damokidebuleba

da mowiweba arsebobda

umcros-ufross Soris, mosawavlesa

da maswavlebels Soris,

skolis direqtori xom yvela

CvenganisaTvis upirveles sapativcemulo

pirovnebas warmoadgenda.

mizezebi, ramac yvelaferi

Tavdayira daayena, mravalferovania,

romelic amjerad Cveni gansjis

sagans ar warmoadgens da

amitom yvelasTan bodiSis moxdiT,

kvlav gavagrZeleb, Cvens

yoveldRiur cxovrebaSi, qajebisa

da qajobis (xSirad Tavxedobis)

institutis fardis axdas.

hqvia Tu ara qajoba iseT

qcevas, roca skolis maswavlebeli

Tavis moswavles sigarets

mosTxovs da `magari tipis~ saxelis

mosaxveWad masTan erTad

gaabolebs?

qajobad mimaCnia sazogadoebriv

transportSi an xalxis

TavSeyris adgilebSi (m.S. panaSvidebze,

gasvenebebSi) gamorCeulad

xmamaRla saubari sxvisTvis

uintereso Temebze.

qajobis meti SeiZleba daerqvas

im SemTxvevas, roca ToTo

bavSviT, mgzavri manqanaSi mZRolis

gverdiT daskupdeba da Tanac

sigarets gaabolebs. saintersoa,

rodis Semovida modaSi

qajebis mier taqsSi an saerTod

msubuq manqanaSi CajdomisTanave

sigaretis mokideba, aseTi qcevac

civilur qveynebSi absurdad iTvleba,

gvaxsovdes, rom Cvenc `evropelebi

varT~.

qajobaze metia saojaxo

narCenebis, nagavis, sigaretis

namwvavis saxlis fanjridan, aivnidan

gadagdeba an sadarbazoSi

dayra.

qajoba ar aris, roca skverebSi

an parkebSi, axalgazrdoba

sabaRe skamebis sazurgeebze arian

Semoskupebulni, fexebiT dasajdomze

asulebi iqaurobas mizanmimarTulad

rom anadgureben

da anagvianeben.

qajobis yvela normas

scildeba, roca Cveni axalgazrdobis

didi nawilis metyveleba-

Si masobrivi xasiaTi miiRo TavianTi

dedebis wamdauwum daginebis

amazrzenma gamonaTqvamebma da

qalisa da mamakacis sasqeso organoebis

yoveli sityvis Semdeg,

absoluturad uadgilod xmarebam.

Cveni Taoba dedas sxvas vaginebdiT

da isic Zalze iSvia-

Tad, es mamacxonebulebi da dedaarRnianebi,

TavianT dedebs Tavadve

usworeben angariSs.

zemoT naTqvams ra ewodeba,

kacobriobas jerjerobiT ar daudgenia.

didad samwuxarod yovelwliurad

premirebuli Cveni

zogierTi vai mwerali Tavis popularobas

swored am Jargonebis

wamdauwum xmarebiT aRwevs, vai,

Cvens patrons ubedurs!

qajebis garda ra SeiZleba

vuwodoT iseT `moqalaqeebs~,

romlebic Zalian xSirad manqane-

`qajebi modian~

da mravldebian...

bidan yrian sigaretis namwvavs,

mis kolofs, bananis kans, naxmar

`Spricebs~ da sxva. sagulisxmoa,

rom yvelaze gamomwvevad da xSirad,

amas daburuliminebiani jipis

tipis manqanebis mZRolebi,

TavianTi mgzavrebi an egreTYwodebuli

mavanTa dacvis bi-

Webi Cadian. samwuxarod, analogiuri

qcevisgan zogjer arc Cveni

`sanaqebo~ patrulis ekipaJi

aris ucodveli.

ufro didi qajoba iqneba,

roca ramdenime xnis win, erT-er-

Ti Zalze prestiJuli da popularuli

saxelovnebo saswavlo

akademiis reqtorma, kolmeurneobis

Tavmjdomaris ar iyos, gvars

ar davasaxeleb, televiziis pirdapir

eTerSi, arc meti, arc naklebi

ganacxada: `sadguris an

bazris romelic gnebavT qarTuli

simRera mirCevnia nebismier

rusul simReraso~... ras izamT,

kacia da guneba, rom ityvian, gemovnebaze

ar daoben. ufro metic,

erT-erTma `popularulma~

axalgazrda mweralma, romelic

yovel wels sxvadasxva premiis

laureatobas `irtyams~ erT-er-

Ti Jurnalis erT-erT interviu-

Si xmamaRla ganacxada: `mezizReba

qarTuli tradiciebi da qar-

Tveli Coxosnebio~.

sxva kidev ra unda giTxraT,

batonebo, iqneb am wlis Semodgomamde

mainc moaswroT raimes

gakeTeba.

anTimoz okribeli

valeri gelaSvili:

2008 wels

davtove respublikuri

partia da davubrundi

bizness. axla

ukve Cems bizness saqarTveloSi

mixedavs

Cemi Svili. dRes ise-

Ti viTarebaa qveyana-

Si, yvelani valdebulebi

varT, aqtiurad

CavebaT politikaSi,

yvelam unda SevitanoT

wvlili. es marto

batoni biZinas gasakeTebeli

saqme araa, mas xalxi

sWirdeboda da mec gadavwyvite,

gverdiT davudge.

erTaderTi pirovneba, visac

SeeZlo raRac Zvrebi moexdina

saqarTveloSi, es ivaniSvilia

da roca man pirvelad

gaakeTa gancxadeba, piradad

me Zalian gaxarebuli viyavi,

es imas niSnavda, rom

qveyanas eSveleboda. mas aqvs

imis gamocdileba, rom qveyanas

mixedos. sxvaTa Soris, me

mas aqamde piradad ar vicnobdi,

magram yovelTvis mikvirda,

ratom ar midioda

politikaSi

misi SesaZleblobebis

mqone adamiani.

vici, rom gamadidebeli

SuSiT miyureben,

ukan damyveba kudi

mudam. saarCevnokampaniisdafinansebisas

mxolod kanoniTvixelmZRvaneleb.

sxvaTa Soris,

xaSurSi arasodes

damWirvebia didi Tanxa

kampaniisTvis, radgan xaSuri

arasodes mimitovebia uyuradRebod.

arc axla damWirdeba

didi Tanxeba, ori-sami

ofisis Senaxva kidev siZneles

ar warmoadgens. grandiozul

RonisZiebebs ar vgegmavT.

biZina iseTi pirovnebaa,

mas didi wardgineba ar sWirdeba.

vici, rom xaSurSi bevri

biznesmeni daibares, saproceso

garigebebi gauformes, fuli

miatanines da pirobiTi

sasjelebi misces kontrolze

rom hyavdeT. saerTod biznesi

arsebobs ki saqarTveloSi,

esaa sakiTxavi. saxelmwifo

tenderebSi isev TavianT

xalxs agebineben.

7 weli Sesrulda im incidentidan,

rac me SememTxva.

Zalian bevr mizezs asaxelebdnen,

mawodebdnen am danaSaulis

CamdenTa gvarebs, magram

xels ar vkidebdi. mTavari mizezi

iyo is, rom me mivdiodi

sasamarTlo procesis CasaSlelad,

radgan erT-erTi mosamarTle

daiWires arasworad,

sxvis magivrad. (me Tvi-

Ton SevuTvale ojaxs, davefiqsirebine

mowmis statusiT.

saerTo gazeTi

samwuxarod es procesi gadades.

amas damatebuli is, rom

daumorCilebeli viyavi am

mTavrobisTvis.) anu daiWires

Suamavali. es ambavi dakavSirebuli

iyo Cems procesebTan.

quTaTelaZis droidan moyolebuli

ambavia. es saqme unda

daxuruliyo. qrTami miutanes

sxva pirovnebas da ara im mosamarTles,

vinc moiTxova.

qrTami unda mietana kudis

TanamSromlebs. gvarebic vicodi

maTi. me procesebs ve-

Rar daveswari cnobili mizezis

gamo. is pirovneba daiWires

da ramdenime weli cixe

misces. man kargad icis

saqmis detalebi. es

pirovneba ukve ga-

Tavisuflebulia, magram

dRes yvela daSinebulia

da xmas ar

iRebs. albaT,

gava

dro da me

TviTon mivexmarebi,

rom

misi reabilitacia

moxdes.

am incidentidan

erTxel damkiTxa

prokuraturam, roca

vilniusidan Camovfrindi

pirvel sasesio kviras da mas

Semdeg araferi ismis. me kargad

maxsovs im niRbosanis fizikuri

aRnagoba da Tvalebi,

vinc kondaxi Camartya saxeSi.

roca gavikiTxe aseTi garegnobis

biWi vin aris-meTqi

specnazSi, miTxres: `mastera~

ariso. magram masteras sura-

Ti vnaxe da es is adamiani ar

iyo. es pirovneba erTxel SevniSne

kidev televizorSi,

roca oqruaSvilis ofiss daecnen.

vis unda mivmarTo gamosaZieblad,

am xelisuflebas?!

Tavis Tavs xom ar dai-

Weren?! es miTiTeba pirveli

piridan modioda. kargad vici,

rom incidentis adgilidan

200 metrSi kodua manqanaSi

ijda.

_ axla daviwyeb mosaxleobasTan

Sexvedras. vecdebi

mivitano maTTan is mesijebi,

rac batonma biZinam dasaxa.

ara mgonia, programaSi raime

cvlileba Sevitano, Cemi

mxridan Tavxedoba iqneba, koreqtivi

Sevitano im adamianis

programSi, romelic biznes-

Sic da gamodilebiTac Cemze

ierarqiulad maRla dgas.

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

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SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze

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18 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

musikaluri smena da masTan dakavSirebuli paTologiebi

gavrcelebuli Sexedulebis

Tanaxmad, musikaluri smena Rv-

Tisgan boZebuli niWia. ramden

Cvengans uCndeba arasrulfasovnebis

gancda, roca saubari musikas

exeba, arcTu iSviaTad

gvesmis TviTkritikuli Sefaseba:

`mas yurze spilom fexi daabija~.

marTlac, aseTi iSviaTobaa

musikaluri smena? ratom aris,

rom zogs gaaCnia, zogs ki _

ara, an saerTod, rogor warmoiSva

igi?

sakmarisia gavixsenoT, rom

nebismieri unari adamians mxolod

imitom gaaCnia, rom ganvi-

Tarebis procesSi masze sasicocxlo

mniSvnelobis moTxovnileba

gaCnda; magaliTad, or

fexze siaruli Cvenma uZvelesma

winaprebma mxolod imitom

daiwyes, rom saWiro gaxda xelebis

ganTavisufleba.

aseTive garemoebebma ganapiroba

musikaluri SesaZleblobebis

ganviTarebac. es funqcia

mas Semdeg gaCnda, rac cocxal

arsebebs erTmaneTTan bgerebis

saSualebiT dakavSirebis aucilebloba

SeeqmnaT.

adamians musikaluri smena

metyvelebasTan erTad uviTardeba.

asalaparakeblad Cven

gvWirdeba bgerebis erTmaneTisgan

Zalis, xangrZlivobis, tembrisa

da simaRlis mixedviT gar-

Ceva, ris unarsac uwodeben kidec

musikalur smenas.

erTi sityviT, es aris adamianis

specifikuri unari da mas

araferi aqvs saerTo biologiur

smenasTan, romelic adamia-

nis ganviTarebis paralelurad

ixveweba da viTardeba.

bgeriTi amuziis

saidumlo

amuzia paTologiuri mdgomareobaa,

rodesac adamians saerTod

ar gaaCnia musikaluri

monacemebi, absoluturad ver

arCevs musikalur bgerebs tonalobisa

da Zlierebis mixedviT.

dedamiwis mosaxleobis 4

procenti paTologiiT ibadeba.

es, ra Tqma unda, daavadeba ar

aris, magram diskomforts uqmnis

adamianebs, rasac ar aris

gamoricxuli, Tan sdevdes fsiqologiuri

problemebi.

saukuneebis manZilze fiqrobdnen,

rom adamianebi ubralod

musikaluri smenis gareSe

ibadebodnen da es niWi iyo, romelic

viRacas hqonda, viRacas

ki _ ara. sul axlaxan gamoirkva,

rom amuzia Tavis tvinSi

arsebuli patara Tandayolili

anomaliis Sedegia.

eqsperimentiT dadginda, rom

`smenian~ da `usmeno~ adamianebs,

Turme, gansxvavebulad hqoniaT

mowyobili marjvena naxevarsferos

Sublis qveda wilis xveuli:

musikaluri smenis armqoneebs,

tvinis am nawilSi gacilebiT

mcire raodenobiT hqoniaT

ganviTarebuli tvinis TeTri

nivTiereba, vidre maT, vinc

sworad da kargad aRiqvams melodiebs.

specialistebi am gansxvavebis

Sedegs metad martivad

xsnian: Tavis tvinis TeTri

nivTiereba pasuxs agebs informaciis

gadacemaSi da ra gasakviria,

rom musikaluri bgerebis

aRqmaSi pasuxismgebel ubanSi

misma ukmarisobam seriozuli

problemebi Seuqmnas pirovnebas

musikaluri bgerebis Semecneba-

Si?

eqsperimentis Sedegi sainteresoa

imiTac, rom masSi monawileebs

musikis mosmenisas, tvinis

kompiuterul-rezonansuli

skanirebisas Tavis tvinis Sesabamis

ubanSi gansxvavebuli aqtivoba

daufiqsirdaT; rodesac

musikaluri smenis armqoneebi

simReras cdilobdnen, tvinis

xsenebuli ubnis TeTr nivTierebaSi

cvlilebebi TiTqmis ar

fiqsirdeboda.

ase rom, visac hgonia, yurze

spilom daabija fexi, sinamdvileSi

gaTxelebuli aqvT

tvinis is specifikuri ubani,

romelic musikaluri bgerebis

aRqmasa da maT damuSavebazea pasuxismgebeli,

es Sublis wili

da qerqis Sesabamisi zonaa.

absoluturi

musikaluri smena

absolutur musikalur smenaze

pasuxismgebelia geni an

genTa jgufi _ amtkiceben kaliforniis

universitetis TanamSromlebi.

sxva ra daskvna SeiZleba

gamoitano, roca musikosebi

da momRerlebi wlebis ganmavlobaSi

muSaoben musikaluri

smenis dasaxvewad, am dros

ki yovel aTi aTass adamianSi

erTi ibadeba iseTi, romelsac

absoluturi musikaluri smena

dabadebidan Tan dahyva?

genTa jgufis konkretuli

dasaxelebisgan mecnierebi jerjerobiT,

Tavs ikaveben, rameTu

maT dasazusteblad kidev cota

dro sWirdebaT, imaSi ki, absoluturi

musikaluri smena genebiT

rom aris ganpirobebuli,

sxeulis temperatura

sxeulis temperatura adamianis

organizmis Tburi mdgomareobis

kompleqsuri maCvenebelia,

romelic sxvadasxva organos,

qsovilebis mier siTbos

gamomuSavebasa da garemos Tbur

cvlasTan dakavSirebul procesTa

mimdinareobas asaxavs.

adamianis sxeulis saSualo

normaluri temperatura, egzo-

Termuli reaqciebisa da damcavi

meqanizmebis wyalobiT, romlebic

sxeulidan Warb siTbos

gamoyofs, Cveulebriv 36,5-dan

37,2-mde meryeobs.

Cveni sxeulis mTavari Termostati

Tavis tvinSi mdebare

hipoTalamusia, romelic mudmivad

aregulirebs Cvens temperaturas.

dRe-Ramis ganmavlobaSi

sxeulis temperatura

dReRamuri ritmebis Sesabamisad

icvleba _ dilasa da sa-

Ramos Soris sxeulis temperaturuli

sxvaoba 0,5-1,0 0 C-s

Seadgens. gansxvavebulia temperatura

Tavad sxeulis organoebs

Sorisac; magaliTad,

Sinagan organoebs, kunTebsa da

kans Soris sxvaoba zogjer 5-

10 gradusic kia. roca Termometri

piris RruSi 37,0 gradusia,

kuWSi, Tirkmelebsa da

sxva organoebSi _ 36,5-ia, iRliisqveSa

fosoSi _ 36, TeZos

Rrma kunTovan RarSi _ 35, winamxris

fosoSi _ 32, mtevnisaSi

_ 28, terfis centrSi _

27-28.

qalbatonebSi temperatura

menstrualuri ciklis fazebis

mixedviT icvleba, Tu Cveuleb-

riv qalis sxeulis temperatura

37 gradusia, ciklis pirvel

dReebSi is qveiTdeba 36,8-mde,

ovulaciis win _ 36,6-mde, momdevno

menstuaciis dawyebis win

37,2-mde izrdeba, ramdenime

dReSi ki kvlav 37 gradusamde

dadis.

mamakacebSi sxeulis temperatura

saTesleebis areSi, sxeulis

danarCen nawilebTan SedarebiT,

1,5 gradusiT dabalia.

temperatura fizikuri datvir-

Tebis drosac icvleba.

sxeulis maRal kritikul

temperaturad miCneulia 42

gradusi, radgan am dros Tavis

tvinSi irRveva nivTierebaTa cvla

da ziandeba tvinovani qsovili.

adamianis organizmi sicives

ufro kargad itans, vidre

sicxes. roca sxeulis temperatura

32 gradusamde ecema, adamianebs

ewyebaT kankali, romelic

janmrTelobisTvis seriozuli

zianis momtani ar aris,

27 gradusze igi komaSi vardeba,

irRveva gulis muSaoba da

sunTqva, 25-is qveviT dabali

kritikuli temperaturaa.

hiperTermia

hiperTermia sxeulis temperaturis

momatebaa 37 gradusze

zeviT, romelic gamowveulia

romelime daavadebiT. es metad

gavrcelebuli simptomia da Tan

axlavs nebismier sistemis

mdgomareobidan gamosvlas. arsebobs

sami xarisxis hiperTermia:

dabali _ 37,2-38, saSualo

_ 38-40, maRali _ 40-is zeviT.

sxeulis temperaturis 4,2-ze

metad aweva gonebis dakargvas

iwvevs.

temperaturis

matebis mizezebi

imunuri sistemis funqciaTa

daqveiTeba _ am dros aRiniSneba

dabali xarisxis hiperTermia,

Tumca, zogjer, SesaZloa Tavi

iCinos saSualo xarisxis formamac.

hiperTermia SeiZleba iy-

os rogorc perioduli da droebiTi

(SeZenili imunodeficitebi,

sistemuri wiTeli mglura),

an mudmivi (poliarTritebi).

standartuli Civilebis gverdiT

Tavs iCens moTenTiloba,

wonis dakleba, RamiT gaZlierebuli

ofldena.

infeqciuri da anTebiTi daavadebebi

_ aseT dros gvxvdeba

dabali (kronis daavadeba da

wylulovani koliti), maRali

(baqteriuli pnevmoniebi), gardamavali

(infeqciuri mononukleozi,

otiti), septiuri (filtvebis

abscesi, gripi, endokarditi),

mudmivi (meningiti),

recidiuli (malaria) hiperTermia.

hepatitebisas hiperTermia

mosalodneli daavadebis mauwyebelia,

apendicitisas ki, piriqiT,

daavadebis mwvave stadiaze

migvaniSnebs. Tu temperatura

uecrad imatebs taqikardiis

fonze, pacients aReniSneba sun-

Tqvis gaZneleba da gonebis dabindva,

es sicocxlisTvis metad

saSiSi septiuri Sokis mauwyebelia,

romelic gadaudebel

kvalificiur daxmarebas saWiroebs.

simsivneebi _ pirveladi simsivneebisa

da metastazebisas SesaZloa

gaCndes dabali da saSualo

xarisxiT momatebuli tem-

iotisodena eWvic ki ar eparebaT.

dedebo, iyaviT

frTxilad!

mosazreba, TiTqos amuzia

memkvidreobiTia, anu musikaluri

smenis armqone mSoblebs

aucileblad SezRuduli musikaluri

SesaZleblobebis Svilebi

eyolebaT, simarTles ar

Seefereba. ar aris gamoricxuli,

kargi musikaluri smenis

bavSvi dadges, mTavaria, iavnana

dedam ar umReros _ acxadeben

specialistebi da mtkiced

swamT, rom beThovenisa da mocartisTvis

iavnana musikaluri

smenis armqone dedebs rom emReraT,

usmenoba garantirebuli

eqnebodaT.

rodesac pataras dabadebis

pirvel xanebSi iavnanas arasworad

umReris deda, mis tvinSi

musikaluri bgerebi damaxinjebulad,

SecdomiT formirdeba,

ris karnaxiTac SemdgomSi bavSvebi

arasworad warmoqmnian musikalur

bgerebs.

ase rom, Tu dedas musikaluri

smena ar gaaCnia, umjobesia,

Tavi Seikavos xSiri da xmamaRali

simRerisgan, radganac

musikaluri smenis damaxinjebuli

aRqmis gamosworeba marTalia

SesaZlebelia, magram sakmaod

didi dro da nervebi sWirdeba.

umjobesia, pataras xarisxiani

CanawerebiAmoasmeninoT, iavnanis

mRera ki gacilebiT kargi

musikaluri SesaZleblobebis

bebiebs andeT.

peraturis xangrZlivi periodebi,

magaliTad, mwvave leikemiisas,

Tumca, SesaZloa, hiperTermia

uecradac gaCndes.

Termoregulaciis darRveva

_ aseT dros temperatura uecrad

da mkveTrad imatebs 41,7

gradusamde, es Cvveulebriv Tan

axlavs sicocxlisaTvis metad

saSiS daavadebebs: insults, Tireotiqsikur

krizs, avTvisebian

hiperTermias, centraluri nervuli

sistemis dazianebas. Termoregulaciuri

meqanizmebis gamo

gaCenil dabal da saSualo

hiperTermias yovelTvis Tan axlavs

momatebuli ofldena.

samkurnalo preparatebi _

hiperTermia da gamonayari yvelaze

xSirad vlindeba sokos

sawinaaRmdego preparatebis,

sulfanilamidebis, penicilinis

jgufis antibiotikebisadmi

momatebuli mgrZnobelobis pirebSi.

hiperTermia qimioTerapiis

Tanamdevic aris. igi SesaZloa

gaCndes im preparatebiT

mkurnalobis drosac, romlebic

ofldenas aprovocirebs. sxeulis

temperatura imatebs zogierTi

preparatis gadametebuli

dozebiT miRebis SemTxvevaSic.

procedurebi _ gardamavali

da droebiTi hiperTermia SesaZloa

ganviTardes qirurgiuli

operaciebis, hemotransfuziebis

(temperaturis uecari momateba

da kankali) Semdeg. uecari an

TandaTanobiT gamovlenili hiperTermia

axasiaTebs zogierT

radiologiur gamokvlevebsac,

gansakuTrebiT iseTebs, sadac

kontrastuli nivTierebebi gamoyeneba.

gverdi moamzada

zviad RonRaZem


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

msoflio presis mixedviT

saqarTveloSi arCevnebis TariRi

jer ar gamoucxadebiaT,

magram oqtombris molodini,

roca es arCevnebi unda gaimar-

Tos, TavisTavad ukve politikuri

intrigaa. axla opoziciis mitingebze

imdeni xalxi modis,

rom nebismier adrindel opozicias

Surisgan guli uskdeba.

biZina ivaniSvili ancvifrebs

saqarTvelos mosaxleobas Tavisi

dapirebebis masStabebiT, ris

fonzec xelisuflebis dapirebebi

mxolod improvizaciad fasdeba.

arseboben reJimebi, romlebsac

arCevnebi yvelaze mniSvnelovnad

miaCniaT. aseTi reJimebi

sulac ar aris yvelaze demokratiuli.

piriqiT _ sadac arCevnebi

regularulad imarTeba, aravis

mosdis azrad, igi samyaros

aRsasrulad Seafasos. Cveulebriv,

xalxis arCevani aSfoTebT

im qveynebSi, sadac gasamarjveblad

saxelmwifos xelSi arsebuli

yvela berketis gamoyenebas

udidesi Zalisxmeva sWirdeba; sadac

arCevnebSi damarcxeba yvelafris

dakargvas niSnavs.

saqarTvelo aseTi qveynebis

siaSi Tavidanve, revoluciuri

epoqis dasawyisidanve moxvda da

axali impulsi SesZina kamaTs

imis Sesaxeb, SesaZlebelia Tu

ara reformebis `TeTri xelTaTmaniT~

keTeba.

saakaSvilis mosisxle mtrebic

ki ver malaven gaocebas: man

yvelaze didi Cavardnebi da katastrofebi

sakuTar Tavs Tvi-

Tonve mouwyo da amitomac saqarTvelos

uaxles istorias

araerTi sayrdeni gamoacala.

erT-erTia opoziciis yovelwliuri

darbeva, rac TviTmkvlelobas

hgavs da cinikuri politikuri

TvalsazrisiTac yovlad

`rame unda viRonoT~ imisaTvis,

rom siriuli qimiuri iara-

Ri `boevikebis~ xelSi ar moxvdes~,

_ es gancxadeba israelis

xelisuflebas ekuTvnis. `asadis

Semdgom~ usafrTxoebisa da institucionaluri

mowyobis TvalsazrisiT

vakuumis Tavidan asacileblad,

dasavleTis strategebi

or variants amuSaveben: samxedro

sabWo da gardamavali

mTavroba. ruseTi da CineTi adamianis

uflebebis dacvis mizniT

garedan Carevas kvlav ewinaaRmdegebian.

kviris dasawyisSi israelma

gaavrcela SeuniRbavi gafrTxileba:

Tuki aucilebeli iqneba,

gamoiyenebs samxedro Zalas, ra-

Ta qimiuri iaraRi siriis mokav-

Siris _ `hesbolas~ xelSi ar

aRmoCndes, _ wers gamocema The

Independent. es gancxadeba siriis

did qalaqebSi _ damaskosa da

alepoSi gaafTrebuli brZolebis

fonze gakeTda. oficialuri

pirebi ar gamoricxaven aviadartymebs

avtokolonebze, Tuki

gaCndeba saimiso eWvi, rom qimiuri

iaraRi libaneli `boevikebisTvis~

gadaaqvT.

`vaSingtoni iziarebs israelis

SeSfoTebas, Tumca, zogier-

Ti cnobiT, didad ar moswons

israelis ganzraxva, ieriSi miitanos

iaraRis arsenalze~, _

wers gazeTi. isrealeli zogier-

uazroa. arc 2006 wlis noemberSi

(maSin damkvidrda es tradiciad),

arc Semdgom periodSi,

opozicias iotisodena Sansi ar

hqonda, CabRauWeboda qarTuli

politikis `misadgmel savar-

Zels~, ris gamoc kuluarebSi

isini qveynis meTaurs emadlierebodnen.

kidev erTi sayrdenia 2008

weli _ samxreT oseTi. katastrofa

SesaZloa, gardauvali iyo,

magram aravis SeuSlia xeli, ama-

Si monawileoba ar mieRo _ yvelanairi

saavtoro ufleba xom

moskovs dauTmes.

saakaSvilis momxreebic ki

aRiareben, rom Tavdapirvelad

aranairi aucilebloba ar iyo,

CamoeyalibebinaT Zalauflebis

vertikali rusul yaidaze, presa

ise SeeviwroebinaT, rom igi

mtrad moekidebinaT, rac moaxerxes

kidec... SeiZleboda, es yve-

laferi agvexsna prezidentis pirovnebis

fsiqologiuri niuansebiTa

da misi politikuri SexedulebebiT,

romelTa Soris demokratiuli

warmodgenebisTvis

adgili ver moiZebna, da esec simarTle

iqneboda. rasakvirvelia,

saakaSvilma qarTul siuJets Tavisi

elferi SesZina, magram iqneboda

ki es siuJeti principulad

gansxvavebuli, saakaSvili

sxvanairi rom yofiliyo?

nebismieri reforma moqalaqeebisTvis

aris gamiznuli. swored

isini arian mzad, pirvelsave

xelsayrel momentSi swored

reformatorebis winaaRmdeg miscen

xma da swored es aris mTavari

problema. ase rom, sistemuri

TvalsazrisiT, saakaSvilis

usiyvaruloba demokratiis mimarT

organulad daetyo reformebis

bedze zrunvas. Tu mosaxleoba

xels uSlis reformas,

ese igi, igi xalxis gareSe unda

gaataro. xalxisa da arCevnebis

gareSe.

prezidenti axal qalaqs aSenebs

_ kurort-biznes-centrs

Savi zRvis sanapiroze. ratom?

saakaSvilis xelisuflebis erTerTi

maRalCinosani amayobs imiT,

rom uflebamosilia, xalxs gaacnos

reformatoruli kredo:

Zvel qalaqebs amZimebs istoria

da tradiciebi, romlebic xandaxan

investors afrTxobs. amitomac

ukeTesia, yvelaferi xelaxla

daviwyoT, TiTqos araferi

yofila. trial mindorze.

Tuki gamsaxurdias principi

iyo `saqarTvelo qarTvelebisTvis~,

saakaSvili TiTqos aSenebs

`saqarTvelos qarTvelebis gare-

Se~. SesaZloa, es cinikurad Cans,

magram garkveulwilad reformebis

warmateba amiTac aixsneba. xelisufleba

qarTvelebis gaqalaqelebas

cdilobs, xolo isini,

vinc miyruebul adgilebs ver

tovebs, maTze xelisuflebas `xeli

daubania~. rac ufro mkacria

reforma, miT ufro izrdeba man-

Zili xelisuflebasa da xalxs

Soris. es savsebiT normaluri

iqneboda nebismier qveyanaSi. saqarTveloSi

ki, amis pasuxad,

xelfasebs uzrdian policiaSi,

mtkicdeba xelisuflebis vertikali

da Sesabamisad, iqmneba reformebis

radikalizaciis SesaZlebloba

da es mankier wreze siaruls

hgavs. es wre Caketilia:

an reformebi, an demokratia.

vin aris biZina ivaniSvili?

es aris adamiani, romelic wle-

saerTo gazeTi

momavali saparlamento arCevnebi

saqarTvelos momavals ganapirobebs

israeli sirias emuqreba, dasavleTi

asadis gadadgomas amzadebs

Ti analitikosic ar iwonebs

samxedro Zalis gamoyenebis ideas.

`asadis reJimis kraxi gardauvalia,

magram vin Caanacvlebs

mas? xom ar moxdeba ise, rom

qveyana ufro metad Caefloba

sisxlian qaosSi? _ wers Die

Welt-is mimomxilveli.

siriisTvis gaRebuli jojoxeTis

karis daxurva rTulia.

gaeros uSiSroebis sabWo paralizebuli

aRmoCnda ruseTisa da

CineTis vetos gamo, romlebic

dRemde ar patioben dasavleTs

libiis kampanias. amerikaca da

evropac, libiis gamocdilebis

gaTvaliswinebiT, didad ar swyalobs

samxedro operacias. diqtaturis

memkvidreobisTvis br-

Zola ukve dawyebulia, wers avtori.

ebraelebma daifices, rom

yvelafers gaakeTeben imisTvis,

rom siriuli iaraRi radikali

islamistebis xelSi ar aRmoCndes.

`hesbola~ da `hamasi~ mas

daufiqreblad gamoiyeneben _ varaudobs

avtori. israelis armia

mzad aris prevenciuli dartymisTvis

_ am gancxadebas israelis

Tavdacvis ministri avrcelebs.

`amis fonze, ZalauflebisTvis

brZola mZafrdeba TviTon

damaskoSi. siriis sxva qalaqebSi

mimdinare procesebis gaTvalis-

winebiT, reJimis damarcxeba gardauvalia~,

_ acxadebs mimomxilveli.

axla kofi ananis gegmasTan

mibruneba iseTive rTulia, rogoric

molaparakebebis gamarTva.

siria sisxlian Waobs hgavs.

kulisebSi didi manevrebisTvis

emzadebian _ asadis Semdgomi

periodis mosamzadeblad, _

vkiTxulobT Le Figaro-Si. Ziri-

Tadad or variantze msjeloben:

SesaZloa, Zalaufleba gadaeces

samxedro sabWos an Camoyalibdes

droebiTi mTavroba.

ganixilaven SeiaraRebuli Zalebis

umaRlesi sabWos Seqmnis

SesaZleblobas, romlis SemadgenlobaSic

Sevidodnen samxedro

samsaxurSi darCenis msurveli

generlebic da dezertirebic.

es sabWo gardamaval periodSi

_ daaxloebiT 9 Tvis ganmavlobaSi,

imuSavebs. Semdgom

unda daiwyos mzadeba arCevnebisa

da konstituciis proeqtisTvis.

meore variantia gardamavali

mTavrobis Seqmna. amis survili

gamoTqva safrangeTma, romelic

acxadebs _ aucilebelia, uswrafesad

Camoyalibdes gardamavali

mTavroba, romelSic Sevidodnen

siriis erovnuli sabWo, siriis

bis ganmavlobaSi afinansebda xelisuflebis

wamowyebebs, maT

Soris _ socialur proeqtebs,

maT Soris _ samxedro bazebs _

prezidentis siamayes.

Tundac reformebis gamo vertikalze

dafuZnebul xelisuflebas

mosvenebas ukargavs qveyanaSi

ukontrolo simdidris arseboba.

arCevnebamde sami TviT

adre, Sinagan saqmeTa ministrad

iniSneba sadistis reputaciis

mqone kaci, romelic piradad

scemda patimrebs. sazogadoebam

xelisuflebis es nabiji erTsulovnad

Seafasa miniSnebad maTTvis,

visac arCevnebis gamocxadebuli

Sedegebi ar moewoneba.

prezidenti amcirebs risks da

isedac yovlisSemZle vano merabiSvils

TiTqos kidev ufro aZlierebs

premier-ministrad daniSvniT.

arada, mas xelidan gamoacala

erTguli Sinagan saqme-

Ta saministro, romelic swored

aseTi reputaciis kacs ando,

adamians, romelic reJims bolomde,

Tundac sicocxlis fasad

daicavs.

aranair mniSvneloba ara aqvs,

saakaSvili amas reformebisTvis

akeTebs Tu ubralod uyvars avtoritaruli

marTva. zRvari iSleba

da procesi Seuqcevadi

xdeba _ moedanze Cndebian memarcxeneebic,

ganawyenebuli inteligenciis

warmomadgelebic, samsaxurdakarguli

policielebi...

isini, vinc guSin reformebiT

aRfrTovanebas gamoxatavda, Tumca

dRes es aRar axsovs da ama-

Si verc daadanaSauleb.

Tavisufali armia, Sida opoziciis

warmomadgenlebi, agreTve

damaskos gavleniani sunituri

ojaxebi. am sakiTxSi safrangeTisa

da amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis

azrebi gaiyo. vaSingtoni

pirvel etapze samxedro sabWos

Seqmnis ideas emxroba.

ratom uWeren ruseTi da CineTi

mxars baSars? am Temaze

analitikur werils aqveynebs

The Huffington Post. bevri mimomxilveli

amas ruseTisa da siriis

didi xnis urTierTobiT

xsnis, miuxedavad imisa, rom siria

arc ruseTisgan iaraRis

msxvili Semsyidvelia da tartusSi

mdebare ruseTis baza amerikulis

sapirwonec ar aris.

arsebobs sxva mizezebi:

am qveynebis xelisufalT asadis

mTavroba ganwirulad ar miaCniaT;

asadis gadadgoma ar aris meamboxeTa

ukandaxevis winapiroba;

CineTisa da ruseTis azriT,

amerikis ZiriTadi motivacia qveyanaSi

viTarebis daregulireba

ki ara, xelisuflebis SecvliT

arabul samyaroSi poziciebis

gamyarebaa;

ruseTisa da CineTis xelisufalTa

varaudiT, vaSingtoni da

misi mokavSireebi mxars uWeren

siriis opozicias ise, rom kargad

ar icnoben mas da mis gegmebs...

saeWvoa, siriis problemis

mosagvareblad CineTma da ruseTma

saerTo gamonaxon amerikasTan,

safrangeTTan da did

britaneTTan.

mimoxilva moamzada

g. WavWavaZem.

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20 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

mogzauroba samSobloSi

alaTasa,

balaTasa...

tye-javaxeTi

mmarrTalia, tye-jjavaxeTSi admministrraciul-tterritorriulimmniSvnelobis

xevebi da xeobebi arr gvxvdeba,

mmagrramm sammogzaurro mmarrSrrutebis dadgenisas

mmainc mmcirre mmdinarreebis orrientirrebiT

unda visarrgebloT. aqq sammi

aseTi mmdinarrea: sarroswyali, WWobarreTiswyali

da barraleTiswyali, rrommelTac

TavTavianTi Rele-SSenakadebi

aqqvT.

* * *

moliTidan samxreTiT veSvebiT

da baraleTiswylis marjvena sanapiros

mivyvebiT, sadac pirveli ori

sofeli Cixarula (Wirxarula) da

balanTaa. Wirxarula dRes umTavresad

somxebiTaa dasaxlebuli, balan-

Ta ki qarTvelebiT. borjomis raionis

sazRvaric aq sruldeba. eklesia,

Tundac dangreuli, arcerT am sofelSi

ar aris SemorCenili, Tumca

balanTelebi soflidan moSorebul

teritoriaze erT saintereso gamosaxulebian

lods miCveneben. igi saydris

arqitravis natexi unda iyos.

zed, mgoni, xari unda yofiliyo gamoxatuli.

balanTaSi mcxovreb maRraZeebs,

meliqiZeebs, berZeniSvilebsa

da zevdginiZeebs, romelTac ZiriTadad

mesaqonleobiT gaaqvT Tavi, am

adgilebSi baRebi aqvT gaSenebuli da

rogorc amboben, soflis saxelwodebac

balidan momdinareobs (baliani

mTa) _ am simaRleze bali rom xarobdes,

sxvagan ver naxavTo. me balanTelebis

sxva naTqvams ufro daueWveblad

viziareb _ gadmocemiT viciT,

rom am midamoebSi sofeli

alanTac iyoo. ufro metic _`Wonas~

striqnebi maxsendeba: `alaTasa, bala-

Tasa Camovkideb kalaTasa, dedi, er-

Ti kvercxi momec, RmerTi mogcems

baraqasa~. sofel alanTa da balanTa

xom ar igulisxmeba simReris teqst-

Si? balanTis erT ubanSi Zveleburi

saxlis gadaRebisas aseT suraTs vxedav:

winkarSi Tavsafriani dedakaci

azavreTis taZris fasadebi

da Tevdores warwera

Camomjdara jorkoze, cali xeliT

jaWvze Camokidebul sadRvebels arwevs,

meoreTi _ akvans. dedakaci Cemken

arc ki iyureba, fiqrebSi garTula.

mec fiqrma wamiRo _ vinc icis,

aseT dedas umReroda `Wonas~ avtori?...

balanTis mere baraleTiswyals

dasavleTidan jer medegiswyali er-

Tvis, Semdeg ki burnaSeTiswyali,

romelsac es saxeli mis Suawelze

mdebare sofel burnaSeTisgan usesxebia.

burnaSeTi ukve axalqalaqis

raions ekuTvnis da XIX saukunis

pirvel naxevarSi mosuli somxebiTaa

dasaxlebuli. soflis Zveli saxeli

burnaSeni yofila, rasac dasaxlebis

TavSi mdebare eklesiis SigniT Semonaxuli

XII-XIII saukuneebis erTi

warwera adasturebs: `saxeliTa

RmrTisaiTa da SuamdgomlobiTa wmidisa

giorgisaTa, davwere me giorgiman,

Tquen burnaSnelTa mRdelTa _

mogec yanai Tiqaroans Cemgan nasyidi~.

X saukuniT TariRdeba eklesiis

agebis Tanadrouli warwera, romelic

aRmosavleT fasadze, sarkmlis

Tavzea moTavsebuli daniel winaswarmetyvelis

lomTa xaroSi yofnis

burnaSeTis `wm. giorgi~ aRmosavleT sarkmlis warweriT

amsaxvel reliefur siuJetTan er-

Tad: `ufalo, viTarca ixsen daniel

pirisagan lomTaisa, egre ixsen amis

wmidisa eklesiisa maSenebelni xel-

Tagan jojoxeTisagan~.

xsenebuli eklesia, romelic axali

aRdgenilia, darbazuli tipisaa,

mas dasavleTidan da samxreTidan

garSemosavleli aqvs miSenebuli. dasavleTidan

am miSanSenSi sworkuTxa

karia gaWrili, samxreTidan ki samTa-

Rovani karibWe. taZari umetesad movardisfro

Tlili qviTaa nagebi da

adre galavniT yofila SemozRuduli.

sad wavida aqauri ZirZveli qar-

Tuli mosaxleoba, Zneli saTqmelia.

varaudoben, rom igi mezobel TrialeTSi

gadasaxlda da iqaur sofelsac

burnaSeTi daarqva, magram dRes

arc TrialeTis burnaSeTSi cxovrobs

qarTveloba, iqac somxebi arian

mosulebi da eklesia iqac mitovebulia.

ramdenad realuria zeviT

moyvanili varaudi, Zneli dasadgenia.

saqme is aris, rom TrialeTis burnaSeTis

ekllesiac X saukunisaa,

xolo mis vrcel qarTul-nusxur

warwerebSi naxsenebia am periodis

adgilobrivi feodali, saydris qtitori

lagvalaisZe.

axalqalaqis raionis burnaSeTi

zRvis donidan 1900 metrzea. kidev

ufro zeviTaa baraleTiswylis momdevno

Senakadis saTaveSi mdebare

sofeli azavreTi, romelic yvelaze

maRali dasaxlebaa aramarto javaxeTSi,

aramed mTel aRmosavleT saqarTveloSi

(zRvis donidan 2100 m).

azaveri Zveli qarTuli sityvaa da

sakidar xars niSnavs, rac imis maniSnebelia,

rom subalpur zonaSi

mdebare sofels am jiSisa da daniSnulebis

saukeTeso xarebi hyavda.

aseTi xarebi araTu ar hyavT, maTi

gagebac ki ar aqvT XIX saukunis 70ian

wlebidan aq mosaxle arzrumel

somxebs.

azavreTi sakmaod mWidrod dasaxlebuli

sofelia, sadac zafxulobiT

gansakuTrebuli xalxmravlobaa.

am periodSi saSovarze Tu

sacxovreblad somxeTSi wasuli sa-

Sualo Taobis didi nawili mSoblebTan

brundeba jalabiT. es sofelSi

SesvlisTanave TvalSi gecemaT:

janiani kacebi Tivis zvinebs

dgamen, xandazmulebi safixvnoSi sxedan,

balRebi velosipedebs daaqroleben

da saxedrebs daarbenineben.

ufrosTagan zog-zogma sayvelpuro

qarTuli icis da sarwyavi arxis

wesrigSi moyvanas gvTxovs...

eklesia soflis TavSi, orsar-

Tulian, awowil sacxovrebel saxlebSia

Cakarguli. arada, es sakmaod

didi darbazuli saydaria. erTi SexedviT

igi, TiTqos, burnaSeTis eklesias

hgavs, magram, kargad rom daakvirdebi,

masze adrindelicaa da

ukeT nagebic... qvebic sxvagvaradaa

damuSavebuli da dalagebuli _ originalurad

da xatovnad. samxreTis

derefanSi Tavdapirvelad orTaRovani

karibWe yofila gaWrili, magram

mere cali TaRi amouqolavT. taZris

Sverili absidis qvaTa forma da

wyoba, kbilana lavgardanis SemorCenili

fragmentebi da sxva detalebi

nagebobas IX saukuniT aTariRebs. aRmosavleTl

sarkmlis TavsarTSi arsebuli

reliefi isea damdnari, gadaWriT

ver ityvi, ras gamosaxavs,

Tumca rCeba STabeWdileba, rom es

veSapis mier ionas STanTqmis da muclidan

amosvlis amsaxveli siuJetia.

Zalian sainteresodaa SemorCenili

dasavleTi fasadi. mis zeda monakveTSi

moCans ori amoqolili Ta-

Ri _ kedelSi SemorCenilia aramarto

ovaluri qvebi, aramed maTi kapitelebic.

dakvirveba cxadyofs, rom

adre es gaxsnili orTaRedi patronikes

ekuTvnoda. patronike, romelic

dasavleTis minaSenis meore sarTuls

warmoadgenda, mogvianebiT

daqceula da raki

aRdgena ver mouxerxebiaT,

orTaRedi amouqolavT

da Sig cali

sarkmeli dautanebiaT.

gasula xani da uyuradRebobis

gamo kamarac

Camoqcevia taZars.

arada, xuroTmoZRvars

Tavis droze gadaxurvis

saimedobisTvis

gansakuTrebiT uzrunvia

da kamara eqvsi Ta-

RiT Seukravs. am TaRebis

nair-nairi impostebi

axlac aris Car-

Cenili kedlebSi. darbazuli

taZris aseTi

mravalferovani gadaxurva

manglisTan axlos

mdebare axalsoflis

(lakvis) petrepavles

nataZralSi Tu

SegxvdebaT mxolod.

azavreTis didebuli

taZris xuroTmoZRvris saxeli cnobilia

sakurTxevlis absidis marcxena

napirze SemorCenili nakveTi warweridan:

`ufalo, Tevdore _ amis ma-

Senebeli Seiwyale~.

WeSmariti ostati yofila Tevdore.

...azavreTisa da baraleTis wylebis

SesarTavidan dasavleTiT, erT

kilometrSi aris mTlianad qarTvelebiT

dasaxlebuli mozrdili sofeli

koTelia.

koTeliis mosaxleobis erTi nawili

ZirZveli gvareulobebia (naTenaZe,

zevdginiZe, meliqiZe, winwkalaZe,

beriZe, zariZe, fanjikiZe), meore nawili

mosuli qarTvelobaa (ananiaSvili,

namoraZe, koptonaSvili, sarali-

Ze, aCelaSvili, sabaSvili, xuciSvili,

beruaSvili, elizbaraSvili, zurabaSvili,

metreveli). rac SeexebaT

lazariaSvilebs da xmalaZeebs, Zneli

dasadgenia, aqedan arian qiziySi wasulni,

Tu iqidan aqeT mosulni. saerTod,

sofelSi dRes kaxur-qiziyuri

saxeebi da kilokavi Warbobs. ko-

Telias am mxareSi yvelaze vrceli

savargulebi aqvs, magram simdidriT

mainc CamorCeba sxva did javaxur

soflebs. mezobeli baraleTisa da

mereniis somxebs rom hkiTxo, amis mizezad

qarTvelTa sizarmaces daasaxeleben,

magram sinamdvileSi Tavi da

Tavi mizezi uwylobaa. maSin, roca

baraleTi, Rrtila da merenia wyals

miaqvs, koTelias sasmeladac ki enatreba.

bolo dros, erTi-ori biznesmenis

gamoCenasTan erTad, TiTqos generatorze

momuSave wyalsaqaCic gamoCnda,

magram sanam rigSi Camdgari ko-

Telielebi baraleTidan aq mouSveben

wyals, kartofilis nargavebs wyurvili

klavs. ai, meore dRea, rac karaleTSi

varT gaCerebuli da wyaros

wyalic ki erTi kilometridan mogvaqvs

Cveni `niviT~, danarCeni sofeli

mas urikebiT ezideba.

soflis centrSi dgas wminda

kvirikes eklesia `kvirikeTi~, romlis

dasavleT kexze XIX saukuneSi

mcire samreklo SemoudgamT. Tavad

eklesia, romelic Tlili qviTaa nagebi,

XVI saukuneSi aRumarTavT. saydris

kedelze amokveTili mxedruli

warwera gveubneba: `q. amis wmidisa

kvirikes saydrisa aRmSenebelsa qiSvads

da Tanamecxedresa, mefis asuls

Tamars Seundos RmerTman~.

warwera XVI saukunisaa. es is

qiSvad avaliSvili unda iyos, romelsac

Tavisi gvar-saxeli amave periodis

likanis taZris samrekloze aqvs

datovebuli. aseve SeiZleba davaskvnaT,

rom misi meuRle Tamari luarsab

I-is qaliSvilia. aRsaniSnavia, rom

1535 wels imerTa mefe bagrat III-m

luarsab I-is TanadgomiT aqve, murjaxeTSi,

omi mougo osmaleTs da javaxeTi

1545 wlade imereTs dauqvemdebara.

qiSvads da Tamars swored am xanebSi

eqnebaT agebuli es eklesia,

romlis qveS, momdevno wlebSi osmalosagan

Seviwroebul mosaxleobas

samalavi darnebi mouwyia. es ambavi

koTeliis skolis direqtorma, 85

wlis vasil xuciSvilma gviTxra, romelmac

aseve soflis TavSi, borcvze

Semodgmuli qvajvari da kviracxovlis

niSic gviCvena.

gela qoqiaSvili

avtoris fotoebi

koTeliis `wm. kvirike~


#33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

jemal davlianiZe

reJisori saqarTvelos

ubedurebisa

saqarTvelos axalgazrda respublikas

Semouties demokratiis

saxeliT. iq, sadac evroamerikuli

demokratia ar aris, raRa Tqma

unda, diqtaturaa! maT, roca

sWirdebaT, marTlac demokrats

daabraleben diqtatorobas, xolo

tirans da uzurpators daarqmeven

demokrats. ufro metic, TviT nobelis

premiasac mianiWeben xalxis

JletisaTvis da rac yvelaze saocaria

_ Tu saqmes dasWirda, nobelis

premias winaswar, avansadac

ki gascemen!

aba, batonebo, sul mcire xniT

warmovidginoT Tavi zviad gamsaxurdias

adgilze... mwerali,

mTargmneli, mecnieri, literaturis

mkvlevari, eseisti, mTeli

cxovreba usamarTlobis winaaRmdeg

mebrZoli, msoflioSi cnobili

disidenti da... mas abraleben,

rom aris kgb-s agenti, dambezRebeli,

nevrasteniiT Sepyrobili,

uzurpatori, diqtatori, provincieli

faSisti, nacisti, Sovinisti...

mis winaaRmdeg viTom gamodian

erTi muWa kriminalebi, rasac

msoflio Tanamegobroba, msoflios

axali mewesrigeebi anu evroamerikelebi,

saxalxo ajanyebad miiCneven.

roca Tofis gasrola daagviana

e.w. opoziciam, SevardnaZem, romelic

elcins ukve gaurigda _

gamsaxurdia aucileblad unda davamxoTo,

mama jorj buSamde CaaRwia

da msoflios gasagonad daayvira

_ zviad gamsaxurdia dinebis

aRma micuravso! am sityvebis gagonebaze,

sul ramdenime dReSi,

TbilisSi tyviac gavarda da daiwyo

klasikuri samxedro gadatrialeba.

reJisori am ubedurebisa, eduard

SevardnaZe, ijda moskovSi

anu StabSi da iqidan xelmZRvanelobda

dawyebul operaciebs.

manamde saqarTvelo ukve blokadaSi

hyavdaT moqceuli. sanTliT

saZebari gaxades pirveli

moxmarebis produqtebi: fqvili,

makaroni, Saqari! gaCnda didi rigebi

benzinze, dizelze, navTze.

puris maRaziebTan Rameebs aTenebda

moxuci Tu bavSvi!

da, es xdeboda e.w. demokratiuli

msoflios Tvalwin! TiTi

aravin gaanZria! gaisusa amerikac,

evropac da aziac!

saqme ise moawyves _ zviad

gamsaxurdias lanZRva-gineba dauwyes

imis gamo, rom puris fasi

ar gaaZvira!

Tanamdebobidan gadadga premier-ministri

Tengiz sigua, viTomdac

zviadis diqtatorobis gamo.

sinamdvileSi igi gaxldaT erTerTi

mniSvnelovani figura samxedro

gadatrialebis organizebaSi.

sxvaTa Soris, Semdgom, roca

SevardnaZem siguas cixeSi gamweseba

moindoma, mas iseTi Zlieri

fesvebi aRmoaCnda, veraferi gaawyo.

zviad gamsaxurdias wauyenes

ultimatumi, rom gadamdgariyo.

sTavazobdnen sxvadasxva garantiebs,

magram misi dapatimreba hqondaT

gadawyvetili. amisi dasturia

is, rom erevanSi Casul ltolvil

prezidents ukan gaayoles

samxedro sabWos mier arCeuli inteligenciis

warmomadgenlebi,

romelTa vinaoba yvela qarTvels

moexseneba. amitom mkiTxvels aRar

gadavRli maTi CamoTvliT.

kanonier prezidents mouwyves

samxedro gadatrialeba da msof-

gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix.

`saerTo gazeTi~ #14-31

liom es putCi monaTla, rogorc

saxalxo ajanyeba. Semdgom ki

Jurnalistebis meoxebiT yovelive

amas Searqves samoqalaqo omi, romelSic

meore mxarem gaimarjva!

saqarTvelo msoflio

axali wesrigis

mesveurebma gawires

zviad gamsaxurdia emigraciaSi

wavida. CeCneTs miaSura. saqarTveloSi

Camoiyvanes eduard SevardnaZe,

romelmac 1992 wlis 7

marts aeroportSive didi madloba

gadauxada inteligencias mxarSi

dgomisaTvis.

movusminoT, SevardnaZis Sesaxeb

ras ambobs jaba ioseliani

(samxedro gadatrialebis erTerTi

mTavari organizatori) Tavis

wignSi `sami ganzomileba~

(gverdi 67):

`Cveni pirveli satelefono

saubari araviTari RirsSesaniSnaobiT

ar gamoirCeoda. vuTxari,

rom Cven, me da kitovanma, samxedro

sabWo SevqmeniT da xelSi avi-

ReT Zalaufleba, miuxedavad imisa,

rom gamsaxurdia jer isev bunkerSia,

rogorc ki situacia gamoikveTeba,

Cven albaT kidev davukavSirdebiT

erTmaneTs...~

`...saRamos vrekav moskovSi,

SevardnaZesTan. veubnebi mokled:

Tu CamodixarT, aT dRes aRar gadaaciloT.

aTi dRis Semdeg SeiZleba

gviani iyos... SevTanxmdiT,

rom igi 7 marts Camovidoda. sazogadoebrivi

azri momwifebuli

Tu ara, ase Tu ise, Semzadebulia.

televiziiT gadaica Cemi gamosvla,

valeri kvaracxelias interviu,

nana jafariZis saaTnaxevriani

gadacema, sadac SevardnaZe

frTxilad da zomierad laparakobda

sakuTari msoflmxedvelobis

Secvlis irgvliv... uwmindesi

da unetaresi kaTolikos-patriarqi

ilia II xSirad mpatiJebs TavisTan,

mamaSvilurad mefereba...

Zalian gaxarebulia, rom viTave

SevardnaZis Camoyvana... 7 martia.

mivdivar aeroportSi SevardnaZis

Sesaxvedrad. TviTmfrinavidan

gadmodis SevardnaZe, mas mohyvebian

Tbilisidan wasuli qarTlos

RaribaSvili, Cveni biWebi, SevardnaZis

dacva _ yofil moWidaveTa

Semadgenloba, nanuli SevardnaZe,

kitovani, sigua, aqvea zurab were-

Telic~.

`Camodis hans ditrix genSeri

_ germaniis sagareo saqmeTa ministri,

msoflioSi erT-erTi gavleniani

politikuri avtoriteti. es

saqarTvelosTvis udidesi movlenaa,

Cveni, jer kidev aralegitimuri

xelisuflebis cnoba... genSers

Sexvedras vuwyobT krwanisis rezidenciaSi.

pur-marili zurab wereTelTan

gvaqvs. guliTadi viTarebaa.

genSeri igonebs anekdots

amerikis saxelmwifo mdivnis beikeris

TviTmfrinaviT mogzauroba-

Ta simravlis gamo... me, rac Sei-

Zleba delikaturad vekiTxebi,

ramdens gadaixdida federaciuli

germania demokratiul respublikasTan

gaerTianebis win, rom es

gaerTianeba momxdariyo. `albaT

ara erT miliard dolars, ara?~

_ `albaT!~ _ gana amaSi Sevardna-

Zes lomis wili ar miuZRvis?~ _

`rasakvirvelia~. _ ver gaugia saiT

vRunav. `hoda, erTi-ori miliardi

gvasesxeT, muqTad ar

gvsurs, ar gvinda Tqvens kmayofaze

viyoT~. siciliT mawyvetinebs

(es genSeri awyvetinebs jaba ioselians!

_ j.d.): `ramdeni milioni

xarT saqarTveloSi?~ _ `xuTi~. _

`hoda, iyaviT Cvens kmayofaze~.

roca jaba ioselianma da kitovanma

SevardnaZe Camoiyvanes (isini

TviTon amboben ase _ CamoviyvaneTo,

magram sinamdvileSi,

yvelaferi SevardnaZis mier gaxldaT

dagegmili!), mosamzadebeli

samuSaoebi ukve Catarebuli iqna:

saqarTvelos TiToeuli raionis

qoneba daitaces, bankebi gaZarcves,

eleqtroenergia Caaqres da qveyana

Caabneles, saprotesto mitinge-

bi sastikad daxvrites, uamravi

adamiani daapatimres da mokles,

mravali awames, mravali samSoblodan

gaaZeves. yovel dRe, yovel

saaTSi, qalaqebSi Tu soflebSi,

specialuri davalebiT, specialuri

xalxi isrodnen avtomatebs,

qalaqebSi Rame gareT ver gamoxvidodi,

iseTi saSineli srola ismoda...

Camovida SevardnaZe, raTa am

saSinelebisgan exsna saqarTvelo,

romelic Turme TviT qarTvelebma

daaqcies. aba, vin ifiqrebda, rom

amgvari mware xvedrisTvis Cveni

qveyana SevardnaZis ufrosebma,

xelmZRvanelebma gawires. vin

ifiqrebda, rom am sazarel dana-

SaulSi msoflios wamyvani, axali

wesrigis mesveurni monawileobdnen?

saqarTveloSi unda

CaeklaT erovnuloba

da TviTmyofadoba

saqarTvelo unda moeTvinierebinaT.

saqarTveloSi unda CaeklaT

erovnuloba, sarwmunoeba!

saqarTvelo TviTonve unda yofiliyo

sakuTari mamulis, enis

da sarwmunoebis gaTelvis iniciatori!

qarTvelebs erTmaneTisaTvis

da mezoblebisTvis unda daebralebinaT

Tavs damtydari yvela saxis

ubedureba!

upirvelesad, saamisod saWirod

CaTvales qveynis Cabneleba,

damSeva, daSineba da uimedobaSi

CaZirva!

saamisod SevardnaZem xelebi

daikapiwa!

saqarTvelo jer mTlad unda

daengria, gaepartaxebina, Semdgom

ki wvalebiT da jaxiriT, viTom

unda fexze daeyenebina!

saamisod dasavleTidan da

okeanis gaRmidan sruli mxardaWera

gaaCnda.

sainteresoa, gadavxedoT SevardnaZis

intervius, romelic gamoqveynda

gazeT `argumenti i faqti~Si

(# 610-611, 1992 w.):

` _ sul cota xnis winaT

Tqvens interviuebSi ambobdiT

xolme, saqarTveloSi aRarasodes

davbrundebio.

-me movale viyavi davbrunebuliyavi,

radgan vgrZnobdi, rom SemiZlia,

raRac vargo Cems respublikas,

sadac didi krizisia.

-Tqven rogorRa dagxvdaT respublika?

-Zalze mZime mdgomareobaSi,

magram ara uimedo. axla, roca Tavi

davaRwieT saerTaSoriso izolacias

(SevardnaZe Tavisi piriT

ambobs, rom mis Camosvlamde saqarTvelo

saerTaSoriso izolaciaSi

hyavdaT momwyvdeuli! _

j.d.), SegviZlia ganviTarebuli

qveynebis daxmarebiT (im qveynebisa,

romlebmac saerTaSoriso izolaciaSi

specialurad moaqcies saqarTvelo!

_ j.d.) imedi viqonioT,

am krizisis daZleva SesaZlebelia.

-1991 wlis agvistoSi `TeTri

saxlis~ (mxedvelobaSia ruseTis

mTavrobis saxli! _ j.d.) win

xalxi erTxmad gaiZaxoda: `ruse-

Ti! SevardnaZe!~ Tqveni saxeli demokratiis

Taviseburi simbolo

gaxda, Tanac _ ara marto ruseT-

Si. amitom bevrs elda eca, roca

Tqven sajarod moiwoneT saqarTvelos

respublikis kanonierad

arCeuli mTavrobis ZaliT damxoba.

-me marTlac moviwone gamsaxurdias

reJimis damxoba, radgan

naTlad mesmoda, Tu ra SeiZleboda

mohyoloda amas saqarTvelosaTvis.

saerTod, mikvirda, rogor

moaxerxa gamsaxurdiam adamianebSi

Savbneli Zalebis gamoRviZeba. Cem-

saerTo gazeTi

mware gakveTilebi

evroamerika, ruseTi da saqarTvelo

ciklidan: omi bneleTTan _ ricxvi misi 666

Tvis ucnobi iyo aseTi saqarTvelo.

CemTvis es aRmoCena gaxldaT.

maT xom saqme iqamde miiyvanes, rom

inteligenciis bevri warmomadgeneli

da Cveni axalgazrdoba _

Cveni xvalindeli dRe, ucxod

grZnobda Tavs sakuTar qveyanaSi

(arada, yovelive asi procentiT

piriqiT iyo. aseTi erovnuli sulis

gamoRviZeba saqarTveloSi

ukve saukuneebia ar yofila! _

j.d.). sityviT gaafTrebuli antikomunisturi

propaganda gaCaRda,

saqmiT ki igive komunisturi

struqturebi SemorCa, oRond ufro

gawafuli formiT. istoriaSi

araerTxel momxdara, rom xalxs

viRaca aurCevia, es arCeuli kaci

ki gadiqtatorebula. me mwams,

rom saqarTvelo demokratiuli

ganviTarebis gzas daadgeba. Tu am

ideas jerovnad ar dauWires mxari,

arCevnebSi monawileobas ar

miviReb (Znelia SevardnaZis am

sicruis qariSxals raime komentari

gaukeTo... bedis ironiaa,

pirwavardnili komunisti, demoni,

super-vampiri, saqarTvelos respublikis

kanonieri xelisuflebis

samxedro gadatrialebiT damamxobeli,

qveynis da qarTveli

xalxis damaqcevari rom amas laparakobs!

_ j.d.).

-ra gezs adgaxarT sagareo politikaSi?

-uwinares yovlisa, megobrebze

gvaqvs aRebuli gezi da arcTu

didi mniSvneloba aqvs imas, Tu

sad iqnebian isini _ amerikaSi, ukrainaSi

Tu aziaSi. TurqeTi Cveni

uaxloesi mezobelia (da natos

wevria! _ j.d.). SeiZleba am qveyanasTan

urTierToba ar ganvaviTaroT?

an uruseTod rogor SeiZleba?

pirdapir warmoudgenelia,

rom movwydeT ruseTis ekonomikas,

kulturas (gana gamsaxurdia amaze

uars ambobda? _ j.d.).

-mravalTa azriT, Tqven sakmaod

ucnauri amala gartyiaT

gars... Tqvens erT-erT uaxloes

TanaSemwes _ jaba ioselians danaSaulebrivi

warsuli da friad

saeWvo reputacia aqvs. rogor

grZnobT Tavs aseT garemocvaSi?

-Seicvala dro, msoflmxedveloba.

Seicvalnen Tavad adamianebi,

maT Soris mec... rac Seexeba

jaba ioselians, me ubralod miyvars

es kaci. Cven didi xnis megobroba

gvakavSirebs... dRes igi

saxelmwifo sistemaSi erT-erTi

mTavari figuraa...

-gamsaxurdiasaTvis Tqven upirvelesi

mteri iyaviT. miuxedavad

amisa, Tqveni Svilebi mTeli am

drois manZilze saqarTveloSi

cxovrobdnen. xom ar idevnebodnen

ramenairad?

-ara, aseTi araferi yofila~.

(gagrZeelba Semdeg nomerSi)

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

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22 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

mweralma Suko jiqiam Tbilisi

karga xnis winaT datova

da mSobliur samegrelos

miaSura.

batoni Suko ara marto ni-

Wieri poeti da niWieri mweralia,

aramed Zalze Seupovari

da aqtiuri pirovnebacaa, romelic

Tavis mSobliur kuTxes

erTgul qomagad udgas gverd-

Si, ris gamoc bevri usiamovnebac

uwvnevia xelisuflebisgan.

gTavvazobT intervvius mweral

Suko jiqiasTan

_ batono Suko, Tqven xarT

saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiris

wevri, gimuSaviaT sxvadasxva

Tanamdebobebze, rogorc

politikaSi aseve SemoqmedebiT

sferoSi... axla ki erTbaSad

naTelmxilvelad gvevlinebiT.

mainc rodis aqeT ganicadeT

aseTi metamorfoza da, saer-

Tod, davijeroT rom yvelafers,

rasac ambobT, seriozulad

ambobT da Tqveni winaswarmetyvelebani

aucileblad gamarTldeba?

_ naTelmxilveloba sul

axlaxan ubralo marCielobiT

daviwye. Tavidan bebiaCemis me-

Todi avirCie da mec lobios

marcvlebiT vmkiTxaobdi. gr-

Zneulebis am or saxeobas Soris

is gansxvavebaa, rom Cveulebrivi

mkiTxavi misteriebis

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yavis naleqs da misTanebs. Cem-

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mxolod gamexsnas e.w.

xazi da morCa, am xazis gayolebaze

Tavisuflad vxedav momavals,

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mainteresebs, vinaidan is ukve

axdenilia.

_ ramdenadac vici, warsuli

da awmyo arc lela kakulias

ainteresebs?

_ lela kakulia `prezidentis~

piradi `marCielia~,

igi TviT delfoel misnebs

utoldeba da me mas, ra Tqma

unda, Tavs ver Sevadri. am saqmeSi

me Cemi mokrZalebuli

pretenzia gamaCnia. aTaswleulebs

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mxolod erTi weliwadi movaqcio

Cemi naTelxilvis areSi

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yovelive, rasac davinaxav. es

ki, mimaCnia, rom sruliad sakmarisia

imisTvis, klienti gavafrTxilo,

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rogorc “medianiuss” baTum-

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saarCevno Stabis xelmZRvanelma

avTandil beriZem ganucxada,

koaliciam merias Seatyobina,

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alternatiul teritoriaze

_ angisis stadionze aqciis

gamarTva ar surs.

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gad unda gaiTvaliswinos, magaliTad,

pirvel rigSi, ar unda

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umaduroba RmerTisTvis yvelaze

miuRebeli Tvisebaa aCqarebiT

ar unda iaros da damSvidebiT

ilaparakos (es ori rCeva

servantiseulia da gansakuTrebiT

unda CaiWedos Tav-

Si). amas garda, Tuki is gamudmebiT

daSliginobs jipiT, ma-

tarebliT, avtobusiT, traqtoriT,

kombainiT, velosipediT,

dafrinavs aeroplaniT,

aerobusiT. vidre raketaze gadajdeba,

erTxel mainc fex-

SiSvelam unda gaiaros cvrian

balaxze da SeigrZnos `raa mamuli~.

amasTanave Cemi klienti

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Tavisi `morWmulobiT~ da

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Si, nebismier Cems klients

sikvdilis buzi daajdeba.

`prezident~ saakaSvilsac fa-

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vinaidan is aranair rCevebs ar

iTvaliswinebs, arada, yvela im

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CamovTvale.

_ ratom maincdamainc faRaraTiT?

_ getyviT: `natvris xeSi~

erTi vinme daudegari anarqisti

iorami mowamlul balaxs

SeWams da kuWi mainc ar aeS-

leba. vinaidan is im balaxs

axali ideis gamo Wams da cicikore

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Carli Caplini

Jangian lursmnebs wuwnis da

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imitom, rom xval-zeg oqros

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Carlis. ase, rom aq cudi

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_ SegekiTxebaT opozicia.

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jer saxelic ar hqvia, da

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enas ar aviyroleb. Tqven ki mogaxsenebT,

rom maSindeli SiSi

ar iyo imdenad Tavzardamcemi

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marTalia, im dRes man Wama

SiSis lobio da zedac hals-

tuxi miatana prasiviT, magram,

vimeoreb, ara am doziT, romelic

iwvevs sisxlian faRaraTs,

arada, Cveulebrivi faRaraTiT

adamiani iSviaTad kvdeba.

amasTanave, im dRes mas garSemo

exvia da zedac efareboda jav-

Sani. romelic swrafad moZuZgvaSi

Sveloda daoTxil `mTavarsardals~,

magram ai, saSemodgomod

ukve mas ar SerCeba

erTi adamianic ki (sandras

CaTvliT), romelic Tanadaudgeba

da daicavs, daixsnis am samarcxvino

aRsasrulisgan. igi

darCeba sruliad marto, gan-

Zarculi, gafarRalalebuli,

naRalatevi... cixe Signidan

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Zala, romelic am cixes aRgvis

miwis pirisgan, sisxli ar daiRvreba,

garda prezidentis im

sisxliani faRaraTisa.

_ sakuTriv arCevnebis gar-

Semo ras giCvenebT, is Tqveni

`xazi~?

_ `xazi~ utyuaria, magram,

simarTle giTxraT, am mimarTulebiT

is jer kidev bolomde

ar aris gaxsnili. Tumca, realobidan

gamomdinare, amisTvis

arc `xazia~ aucilebeli da

arc misi gaxsnisTvis saWiro

TviTgvema da yiramalaoba, isedac

naTelia yvelaferi. rogori

brma unda iyo adamiani, rogori

xepre da mudregi, es ver

dainaxo.

am ramdenime wlis win Cveni

regionis (samegrelo-zemo

svaneTis) erTma bobola ma-

RalCinosanma gulwrfelad

mirCia, rom bolos da bolos

SevSvebodi am aylayurta

glexebis gverdiT bodials,

maTdami Tanadgomas, uazro

gamosarClebas da misTanebs.

me mas vTxove ganemarta, Tu

ratom iyo yovelive es uazroba

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Sepneva? gamaognebeli pasuxi

gamca: _ Sen, Zmao, etyoba, am

naxirs jer kidev bolomde ar

icnob (swored ase Tqva _ naxirio),

Cven ki, biZiao, im

Sens gagriebs mTeli sami weliwadi

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cxviriT miwas vaxsnevinebT da

cxra fena tyavs vaZrobT, xolo

arCevnebis dro rom moaRwevs,

anu im darCenili erTi

Tvis ganmavlobaSi, cal-cal

kaloSs davurigebT da mere

Cems fexebs mivcemT, isev

ty..isa da SimSilis reJimSi

gadaviyvanTo. dasasrul, anton

Cexovic ki moiSvelia da

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riT ver gaige, rom glexs

Wkuac glexuri aqvso.

munji rom munjia, isic xom

raRacas daixrialebs simwrisgan,

me ki saerTod enaCavardnilma

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an ki ra unda mepasuxa, roca,

faqtobrivad, wyalgauval simarTles

RavRavebda saakaSvilis

es utifari qofaki.

aseTia mware sinamdvile,

TumcaRa mdgomareoba dReisTvis

ramdenadme Secvlilia uke-

Tesobisken. saakaSvilis satyuaras

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Ti gafacicebiT, adre rom gvinaxavs

garkveulwilad Caikles

sawylebma sixarbe da cofiano-

didi SiSis lobio Tu Wame da

zedac halstuxi miayole prasiviT,

aucileblad faRaraTi gimsxverplebs...

ivaniSvilis koalicias baTumSi aqciis Catareba

anbanis koSkis mimdebare teritoriaze surs

is anbanis koSkis mimdebare teritoriaze

CatarebasTan dakav-

SirebiT. isini dagvpirdnen, rom

rodesac Cven meriaSi am teritoriaze

aqciis Catarebis mizniT

gancxadebas SevitanT, mas

daakmayofileben”, - aRniSna beriZem.

misive TqmiT, koalicia aqciis

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Semdeg. manam ki Tavisnair

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gexsomebaT aseTi pasaJi: fsiqiatriul

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Cenebis Semotanis sakiTxic. amgvari

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dros evropaSi erT tonaSi

50 evros ixdian. CvenTan 30

evroa. imis gamo, rom Semomtans

aravin sTxovs mis gadamuSavebas, gauvnebelyofas,

sarkofagebSi mis damarxvas.

es koSmaria, _ acxadeben

eqspertebi.

specialistebi, imasac acxadeben,

rom ministrTa kabinetidan gamoJonili

informaciiT, xelisufleba molaparakebebs

awarmoebs aRmosavleTis

mwir da mciremiwian saxelmwifoeb-

Tan qarTuli miwis safaris gayidvis

Taobaze. erTi santimetri miwis Camoyalibebas

(miTumetes noyieris)

aseulobiT weli sWirdeba. eseni ki

mis gayidvas apireben, _ aRSfoTebas

ver malaven niadagmcodneebi.

reziumes magivrad

niurnbergis procesSi nacistebis

(Cveneburad, `nacionalebis~)

erT-erTi braldeba iyo ekocidi.

germanelebma ukrainaSi niadagi moxsnes

da gaitaces, ramac gamoiwvia

mosavlianobis katastrofulad Semcireba

da aTasobiT adamianis SimSiliT

sikvdili...

zaza bilixoZe

patara lukas Tqveni Tanadgoma gadaarCens

7 wlis luka wuleiskirs ori Tvis

win, sruliad moulodnelad daudginda diagnozi

– mwvave limfoiduri leikemia.

ojaxis, naTesavebisa da megobrebis daxmarebiT

movaxerxeT garkveuli Tanxis mogroveba

da bavSvis umokles vadaSi germaniaSi

gagzavna. amJamad lukas utardeba intensiuri

qimioTerapiis kursi germaniaSi,

qalaq fraiburgis sauniversiteto bavSvTa

klinikaSi.

samwuxarod, rogorc mimdinare analizebidan

gamoCnda, intensiuri qimioTerapiis

standartulma kursma ver gamoiRo saTanado

Sedegi. amJamad gamoikveTa aucilebloba,

rom bavSvs Cautardes Zvlis tvinis Rerovani

ujredebis gadanergvis gadaudebeli

operacia, romlisTvisac saWiroa 250 000

evro. amxela odenobis Tanxis Segroveba

samwuxarod aRemateba Cvens yvela saSualebas

da amitomac gadavwyviteT, mogvemarTa

TqvenTvis daxmarebisTvis.

gTxovT, gulTan axlos miitanoT patara

Llukas mdgomareoba, gamoiCinoT gulisxmiereba

da SesaZleblobis farglebSi, nebismieri

odenobis (mcireodeni) Senatane-

biT, dagvexmaroT operaciisTvis saWiro

Tanxebis SegrovebaSi.

sabanko rekvizitebi:

bankis kodi: KSBGGE22

bankis dasaxeleba: kor-standart banki

angariSi: GE19KS0000000360800511GE

mimRebi: a(a)ip luka wuleiskiris daxmarebis

fondi

winaswar gixdiT did madlobas Tqveni

Tanadgomisa da daxmarebisTvis.

lukas ojaxi

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24 saerTo gazeTi #33 (217), 25-31.VII, 2012 w.

yvelaze araCveulebrivi qorwinebebi

ucnauri qorwili aRniSnes ohaios StatSi. wyvilma ratomRac kubos

TanxlebiT moindoma daqorwineba. stumarTagan erT-erTi jeison

vurxizis formaSi iyo gamowyobili, romelic mayurebels `paraskevi

13~-dan axsovs.

stumrebi kaciWamiebs da kudianebs hgavdnen makiaJiT da CacmulobiT.

qorwilis bolos ori `vampiri~ `gamoCnda~. erT-erTi maTgani pirdapir

mieWra patarZals da yelze daewafa, TiTqos sisxls wovda. ase

daiwyo saqorwilo mxiaruleba.

koni spicneijelis da jek holsinjeris qorwineba `akurTxa~ jeison

vurxizma da tradiciulad beWdebis gacvlis magivrad col-qmarma

erTmaneTs yelze ukbines.

saintereso isaa, rom am qorwinebis monawileni patarebi ar iyvnen.

patarZali 41 wlis gaxldaT, nefe 61-isa. ubralod, isini iumoris

grZnobiT iyvnen savse, amitomac gadawyvites `vampiri~ col-qmari yofiliyvnen.

noi fulmorma

da erin finenganma

moisurves

qorwili pirdapir

kosmosSi gadaexadaT.

es, ra

Tqma unda, SeuZlebeli

iyo, magram

gamosavali

mainc ipoves.

qorwinebis dRes

nefe-dedofali,

mRvdeli da

mfrinavi avialainer

boing-727 zero-g-ze avidnen da gezi floridis cisken aiRes.

fulmorsa da finengans Tavi kosmosSi rom egrZnoT, piloti SesaZleblobis

maqsimumiT aiWra, rac SeiZleboda maRla caSi da Semdeg

kosmosuri siCqariT dabla daeSva. Seiqmna uwonobis STabeWdileba,

Tumca yovelive es 10 sekunds gagrZelda, magram SegrZneba xom iyo?!

fulmori da finengani amboben, rom maTTvis es dro sakmarisi aRmoCnda,

mRvdlis winaSe erTmaneTisTvis eTqvaT: `me Tanaxma var~.

sali da joni texasis supermarketSi Sexvdnen erTmaneTs. sali iq

salaroSi muSaobda. pirvelad joni salis swored marketSi Sexvda. iq

is sayidlebze iyo misuli. axalgazrdebi amboben, rom es iyo erTi naxviT

Seyvareba.

wyvilma gadawyvita daqorwinebuliyvnen supermarketSi, sadac

dRemde muSaobs sali. amisaTvis maT specialurad SearCies is dro,

roca marketis yvela TanamSromelTan erTad iq uamravi myidvelic

trialebda.

CrdiloeT koreelma em lim da kore samma gadawyvites qorwili

fitnes klubSi gadaexadaT, sadac orive mwvrTnelad muSaobs. yvela

saqorwilo ceremoniis dacvis Semdeg siZe-patarZalma krosi moawyo

sarben bilikze, stumrebi ki oflad iRvrebodnen velotrenaJorebze.

mowveuli megobrebi ise daiRalnen, erTi suli hqondaT, sanam saqorwino

fics warmoTqvamda wyvili, radgan emis da kores qorwilSi

sportiT gatacebuli stumrebi arc ise bevrni iyvnen.

ruseTSi yvelaze araCveulebrivi gacnoba wyvilebs Soris morgSi

moxda. saqmro paTologanatomi gaxldaT, sacole _ misi damxmare. magram

qorwinebis ceremonia mainc yvelaze saintereso iyo. qmari col-

Tan mZRolma miiyvana da saxlSi is sakaciT miiyvanes. gogonas simboluri

gvami iqve ido da TeTri sudara hqonda gadafarebuli. Semdeg

patarZali da siZe saswrafo daxmarebis manqaniT miiyvanes morgSi, sadac

uamravi stumari elodebodaT. aqve moxda maTi SeuRlebac. amboben,

ise mxiarulobdnen, mkvdrebi kinaRam wamodgneno.

floridis Statis macxovrebeli sara da jei erTmaneTs `makdonaldsSi~

Sexvdnen. jei `makdonaldsis~ administratori iyo, sara salaros

TanamSromeli. `makdonaldsSi~ koka-kolaTi savse fuJerebiT

daloces stumrebma axalSeuRlebulni. mniSvnelovania, rom `makdonaldsis~

administraciam Tavis TanamSromlebs qorwineba imiT miuloca,

rom ufaso burgerebi Camouriga stumrebs.

68 wlis qalbatonma gadawyvita yvelaferi, rac mas wminda hqonda

mieZRvna Tavisi qmrisaTvis, saTvaleebian kobraze. qalbatons, romelic

indoeTis erT sofelSi

cxovrobs, saxelad bimbela

hqvia. man namdvili qorwili gadaixada

da stumrad, daaxloebiT,

ori aTasamde stumari moiwvia.

qmris magivrad gvelis

fituli warmoadgina, radgan misi

daswreba qorwilze arc ise

usafrTxo iqneboda.

adgilobrivi mRvdeli erTi

saaTis ganmavlobaSi kiTxulobda

locvebs, raTa axaldaqorwinebulebis

sulebi SeerTebuliyo,

hyolodaT bevri Svili da

ojaxSi mosavali blomad hqonodaT.

bimbela qmarTan ukve erTi

Tvea, rac cxovrobs. `qmari~, ZiriTadad,

baRSi nebivrobs. qalbatoni acxadebs, rom maT Soris urTierTgageba

umaRles safexurzea.

CineTis qalaq SansSi aTma wyvilma erTad gadaixada qorwili nax-

Sirmompovebel SaxtSi, radgan maTi qmrebi swored aq muSaobdnen. qorwili

miwis siRrmeSi 300-metrian SaxtSi Catarda.

liu e, romelic CineTis qalaq CJuxaiSi cxovrobs sakuTar Tavze

daqorwinda. mamakaci gamoutyda Jurnalistebs, rom mas ise uyvars sakuTari

Tavi, am siyvarulis sxvisTvis ganawileba ar surs. am arCevanisTvis

man mSoblebis locvac ki daimsaxura. qorwinebis ceremonia

yvela wesis dacviT Catarda. liu e eklesiaSi patarZlis tanisamosiT

mivida. warmoTqva fici, gaikeTa saqorwino beWedi. qorwilze miwveuli

iyo 100-mde stumari. liu em ganacxada: am qorwinebis Semdeg

Tavi srulfasovan adamianad vigrZenio.

liu esgan gansxvavebiT iaponeli, romelic internetSi cnobilia,

rogorc Sa 19000, daqorwinda kompiuteruli TamaSebis animaciur

gmirze Nene Anegasaki-ze.

aRfrTovanebuli qmari 3 dRe-Ramis ganmavlobaSi TamaSobda `col-

Tan~ internetTamaSebs ise, rom arc dauZinia da arc rame uWamia.

axaldaqorwinebul meuRlesTan axlos yofna xom yvelaze mniSvnelovania?!

43 wlis ema, romelic pensilvaniis StatSi cxovrobs, Tavis musikalur

centrze daqorwinda. igi irwmuneba, rom jei (ase daarqva

audiosistemas) nebismier mamakacs jobia. igi Seasrulebs nebismier

survils, yovelTvis usmens, amSvidebs, masTan seqsi ki saocrebaa da

aRmafrTovanebelia.

qalbatoni indianas Statidan Tavis kataze daqorwinda. igi ambobs,

rom kata Zalian agonebs sayvarels mamakacs. ar uvlis Tavis nivTebs

da roca Sia sxva araferi axsovs. ra saWiroa mamakacis Zebna, kata

CemTan cxovrobs ukve 5 weliwadia, mas zustad igive Tvisebebi aqvs,

rac mamakacebs, _ ambobs qalbatoni.

londoneli milioneri

Saron tandleri

Tavis delfinze

daqorwinda.

Sarons sigiJemde

Seuyvarda delfini

sendi. isini erTmaneTs

15 wlis win

Sexvdnen, roca Saroni

pirvelad dainteresdadaivingiT.

erT-erT rif-

Tan isini erTmaneTs

gadaeyarnen. axla

sendi araCveulebriv

auzSi cxovrobs. qalbatoni ambobs, rom delfini saocnebo qmaria

_ alersiani da yuradRebiani.

moamzada ana vadaWoriam

eris naTeli momavali eklesia-monastrebis mSeneblobaSia,

miiReT monawileoba wmida andria pirvelwodebulis

monastris mSeneblobaSi. ufali SegewevaT.

bednieri adamiani - morwmune adamiania.

rom gwamdes - unda daijero, rom gjerodes - unda

gindodes, madli rom moipovo - unda gsurdes. qarTvelno,

erTad RvTisaken!

RmerTma daglocoT da gagaZlieroT!

astrologiuri

prognozi

verZi _ am periodSi megobrebi

gagiweven daxmarebas.

finansuri mdgomareoba

damokidebuli iqneba

Tqvens aqtiurobis unarze. kargi

droa janmrTelobis gasaZliereblad.

kuro _ samsaxuris saqmeebSi

warmatebisTvis gamoiyeneT

araordinaluri

gzebi. ojaxuri problemebis gamo

nu inerviulebT, droa apatioT

megobrebs da axloblebs

Secdomebi.

tyupebi _ saqmis realizeba

gagiadvildebaT

partniurTa daxmarebis

meSveobiT. Tqveni momxibvlelobiT

gulgrili aravin darCeba.

kirCxibi _ SesaZloa,

gaizardos Tqveni Semosavali.

finansuri garigebebisTvis

ki cudi droa, radgan

SesaZloa danakargi ganicadoT.

SesaZloa problema SegeqmnaT

bavSvebTan gakavSirebiT.

lomi _ saxlis saqmeebi

Zalze bevr dros wagarTmevT,

SesaZloa aucilebeli

gaxdes damatebiTi codnis an

informaciis miReba. am periodSi

damyarebuli romantikuli kavSirebi

Tqvens imedebs ver gaamarTlebs.

qalwuli _ es kargi

droa samsaxuris gamosacvlelad,

SesaZloa, gaiumjobesoT

finansuri da socialuri

mdgomareoba, ecadeT meti yuradReba

dauTmoT sayvarel adamians.

saswori _ mogindebaT

piradi cxovrebis Secvla.

Tumca amas ver moaxerxebT,

SesaZloa arasasiamovno gar-

CevebSi mogiwios monawileobis

miReba, dafiqrdiT sakuTar

cxovrebaze.

morieli _ moemzadeT

axali proeqtebis dasawyebad.

uamravi wvrilmani

problemis miuxedavad, gaadvildeba

saqmeebSi miznis miRweva,

iyaviT taqtiani sayvarel

adamianTan da axloblebTan mimarTebaSi.

mSvildosani _ sayvarel

adamianTan an meuRlesTan

gaugebrobis SemTxvevaSi

uxeSi nu iqnebiT da ecadeT

moZebnoT gzebi krizisidan

gamosasvlelad. SesaZloa lideris

poziciac daikavoT.

Txis rqa _ gagicndebaT

simdidris moxveWis

survili. sayvarel adamianze

zrunva da misi movla idealur

sasiyvarulo atmosferos

SegiqmniT.

merwyuli _ daqveiTdeba

Tqveni Sromisunarianoba.

gagiWirdebaT miRebuli

informaciis gadamuSaveba,

rac samsaxurSi problemebis mizezi

SeiZleba gaxdes.

Tevzebi _ es kargi

droa gamokvlevebis Casatareblad.

nu ahyvebiT

axalgacnobili adamianebis mier

SemoTavazebul cdunebebsa da

avantiurebs, xelmomWirned xarjeT

fuli, romantikuli kavSirebi

TqvenTvis siamovnebis momtani

iqneba.

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