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6 <strong>saerTo</strong> gazeTi #03 (187), 25-31.I, 2012 w.<br />

qveyanaSi ganviTarebul movlenebsa<br />

da momaval Sedegebze<br />

vesaubrebiT parlamenttar petre<br />

mamraZes.<br />

_ batono petre, rogor<br />

uyurebT saqarTveloSi politikuri<br />

situaciis Secvlas,<br />

2012 saarCevno welia da opozicia<br />

kvlav xelisuflebis<br />

Secvlaze saubrobs, miTumetes,<br />

dRes ukve maT liderad biZina<br />

ivaniSvili moiazreba. Tqven<br />

mas piradad icnobT rogorc<br />

pirovnebas, SesZlebs rom iyos<br />

warmatebuli politikuri lideri?<br />

_ batoni biZina gavicani<br />

mravali wlis win da dRes mis<br />

gamoCenas politikaSi imedianad<br />

vuyureb. mjera, rom is<br />

warmatebas miaRwevs. jer kidev<br />

SevardnaZis xelisuflebaSi<br />

yofnis drosac rodesac is saqarTveloSi<br />

Camodioda, bevr<br />

sasikeTo saqmes akeTebda,<br />

qvelmoqmedebas eweoda, Tumca<br />

ise, rom misi gvari ar dafiqsirebuliyo.<br />

marto samebis ta-<br />

Zari ar yofila, man bevrjer<br />

Cado Tanxebi qarTul mrewvelobaSi.<br />

misi kredo iyo aseTi,<br />

rom is saqarTveloSi fulis<br />

keTebas ar apirebda, surda aq<br />

daexarja da qveynisaTvis moexmarebina<br />

Tanxebi, rac iSova.<br />

dRes mas xSirad abraleben<br />

`xazinis qurdebi~, rom mas<br />

aqvs rusuli fuli, im avtoritaruli<br />

reJimis dros, roca<br />

qveyana icleba myari valutisagan,<br />

Cveni eqsport-importis<br />

disbalansi sakmaod didia.<br />

roca aseT pirobebSi adamianma<br />

gareT naSovni fuli qveyanaSi<br />

Semoitana da mas ukiJineben, es<br />

aris tragedia.<br />

_ SevardnaZis dros rogor<br />

xdeboda, im drosac xom eweoda<br />

is qvelmoqmedebas da ar iyo<br />

ucxo yvelasaTvis es qmedeba?<br />

_ SevardnaZis dros Tu is<br />

romelime seroiozul dawesebulebas<br />

xsnida, romelic batoni<br />

biZinas mier iyo dafinansebuli,<br />

batoni eduardi ambobda,<br />

rom es yvelaferi erTi didi<br />

qarTveli qvelmoqmedis mier<br />

iyo gakeTebuli da es pirovneba<br />

sTxovda yvelas, rom<br />

misi saxeli da gvari ar daesaxelebinaT.<br />

erma da berma xom<br />

icoda, vin iyo es erTi kaci?<br />

ase miagebda is pativs am qvelmoqmedis<br />

Rvawls. SevardnaZis<br />

Semdeg ki axalma xelisuflebma<br />

ise Wres `wiTeli lentebi~<br />

da gaxsnes obieqtebi, rom er-<br />

Txel ar uxsenebiaT misi saxeli.<br />

sxvaTaSoris vaJa lorTqifaniZem<br />

Tqva, rom biZina ivaniSvils<br />

rusuli fuli ar darCenia,<br />

radganac is am xelisuflebas<br />

moaxmarao.<br />

qurdebis xelisufleba<br />

unda damTavrdes!<br />

exla arsebiTad ra xdeba,<br />

jer modi, CavwvdeT, ra<br />

viTarebaa dRes saqarTveloSi?<br />

CvenTan dRes aris<br />

avtoritaruli<br />

kleptokratia,<br />

rac niSnavs `qurdebis<br />

xelisuflebas~, laparakia<br />

xazinis qurdebze,<br />

xalxze, vinc sruli<br />

monopolia aiRes<br />

fasebis dawesebaze,<br />

eqsportze importze,<br />

biujetidan Tanxebis<br />

gaxarjvaze da a.S.<br />

male mova dro, roca isini<br />

yovelive amaze pasuxs ageben<br />

da maT aRiarebiT Cvenebebs movismenT.<br />

Tumca, axlac gvaxsovs,<br />

Tu ra dajda esa Tu is<br />

Zegli, an dekoratiuli xidi,<br />

zogi iseTic, romelic meore<br />

dResve Caingra. es yvelaferi<br />

didi danaSaulia!<br />

ivaniSvili saakaSvils<br />

2008 wels ianvarSi daemSvidoba<br />

kidec telefoniT, radganac<br />

gadawyvetili hqonda aqedan<br />

wasvla. orivejer vaJiSvilebma<br />

uTxres uari, radganac<br />

maT surdaT qveynis gadarCena.<br />

amitomac darCa is qveyanaSi da<br />

ganacxada kidec, rom sruliad<br />

moumzadeblad gadadga es nabiji.<br />

axlaxan interviuSi tomas<br />

de vaals uTxra _ me rom damenaxa,<br />

rom namdvil opozicias<br />

SeuZlia gaimarjvos da Sevides<br />

parlamentSi Cemi daxmarebis<br />

gareSe, me ar movidodi <strong>saerTo</strong>d<br />

politikaSio. exla ki<br />

davrwmundi, rom isini amas ver<br />

SeZleben da unda davexmaro<br />

maT~.<br />

amis Semdeg mis winaaRmdeg<br />

mimarTul usamarTlobas da<br />

ukanonobas zRvari ar aqvs.<br />

saqarTvelos istoriaSi<br />

pirvelad moxda aseTi gaugonari<br />

ram, rom qvelmoqmedsa da<br />

mecenats moqalaqeoba waarTves<br />

da samagierod, moqalaqeoba<br />

misces gogonas, romelsac<br />

surda, rom bikinis amara evlo<br />

podiumze! is xom ruseTis moqalaqe<br />

iyo, maSin Sexedes amas<br />

seriozulad?<br />

mimaCnia, rom biZina<br />

ivaniSvilis politikaSi<br />

mosvla aris yvelaze<br />

didi qvelmoqmedeba<br />

qveynis winaSe _<br />

rac ki mas odesme gaukeTebia!<br />

Tu saakaSvili da zogier-<br />

Tebi yoveldRiurad tkbebian<br />

TavianTi TanamdebobebiT, amas<br />

`hqvia ZalauflebiT Troba~,<br />

isini dRes sruliad Camouyalibeblad,<br />

SeuTanxmeblad<br />

wyveten Tu sad ra Zegli daidgas,<br />

an ra aSendes _ xalxis<br />

fuliT. isini rasac moisurveben<br />

_ sruldeba.<br />

male gaigebs mTeli sazogadoeba<br />

Tu rogor mokles roin<br />

SavaZe da daviT cindeliani.<br />

visi davalebiT moxda maTi<br />

sikvdili, es dro axlovdeba.<br />

Tu Zeglebzea laparaki,<br />

male moxdeba<br />

isic, rom gorSi aRimarTeba<br />

_ daCoqebuli<br />

saakaSvilis Zegli!<br />

qarTveli moqandakeebi<br />

aRmarTaven<br />

amas da es iqneba wertili<br />

im samarcxvino<br />

istoriisa, rac am<br />

wlebSi gaviareT.<br />

_ biZina ivaniSvili rogor<br />

SeZlebs gzis gakvlevas gamarjvebamde?<br />

_ me araerTi Wkviani eqspertisagan<br />

konfidencialur<br />

saubrebSi momismenia, rom jobda<br />

mas politikuri partiebisaTvis<br />

<strong>saerTo</strong>d ar miemarTa,<br />

darCeniliyo sazogadoebrivi<br />

moZraobis farglebSi imitom,<br />

rom opoziciuri politikuri<br />

partiebi dRes diskreditirebulia,<br />

maTi popularoba da reitingi<br />

Zalian dabalia. maTma<br />

uazro qmedebebma gauxangrZliva<br />

saakaSvilis reJims sicocxle.<br />

mTel msoflios daanaxes,<br />

rom qarTveli opozicionerebi<br />

destruqciul Zalas warmoadgenen.<br />

bevrs uTqvams piradad<br />

CemTvis, rom aseTi opoziciis<br />

xelisuflebaSi mosvlas kidev<br />

saakaSvili urCevniaT.<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis politikaSi<br />

mosvla yvelaze didi<br />

qvelmoqmedebaa saqarTvelosTvis,<br />

rac mas odesme gaukeTebia<br />

tomas de vaalma ivaniSvili<br />

ase Seafasa. `Tu misi pirveli<br />

gamosvla ar iyo politikosis<br />

gancxadeba, ori kviris Semdeg<br />

man daiwyo namdvili politikuri<br />

eniT laparaki~_ ai, ra<br />

SeuZlia am kacs!<br />

ase rom, winsvla aucileblad<br />

iqneba!<br />

me sxva ucxoelebis azrsac<br />

getyviT, roca `qarTu~ bankis<br />

win xalxi Camwkrivda, ucxoelebma<br />

gadawyvites Tavad enaxaT<br />

is, rom xalxs fuli bankidan<br />

ki ar gahqondaT misi gakotrebis<br />

SesaZlo SemTxveva-<br />

Si, aramed ukanasknel 10 lars<br />

sdebdnen mis gadasarCenad.<br />

maSin ucxoelebma miTxres,<br />

rom rogorc Cans, saqarTvelo-<br />

Si iwyeba samoqalaqo daumor-<br />

Cileblobis iseTi moZraoba,<br />

romelmac SeiZleba qveyana mar-<br />

Tlac gadaarCinoso.<br />

diplomatiur korpusTan<br />

ivaniSvilis Sexvedris Semdeg<br />

ki maT Tqves, rom es adamiani<br />

maT vaclav havels agonebT.<br />

isic moumzadebeli movida politikaSi,<br />

magram bolos<br />

aocebda xalxs Tavisi genialobiT.<br />

Tavad mas ekuTvnis<br />

sityvebi, romelic Tavisi qveynis<br />

sazogadoebas miuZRvna _<br />

`Zala uZaloTa~, es iyo xalxi<br />

romelmac bolos gaimarjva:<br />

de vaali wers, rom saqar-<br />

TveloSi yofnisas is mraval<br />

adamians gaesaubra da TiTqmis<br />

aTidan aTis arCevani dRes ivaniSvilia<br />

da ara dRevandeli<br />

prezidenti. mkiTxeT, moaxerxebs<br />

Tu ara ivaniSvili gamarjvebaso,<br />

me gpasuxobT _ xalxis<br />

neba yvelafers moaxerxebs,<br />

rogori reJimic ar unda iyos<br />

saqarTveloSi! gindac CauSesku<br />

iyos da gindac sxva diqtatori.<br />

Tu xalxis absoluturi<br />

umravlesoba Sinaganad uars<br />

ityvis reJimze, da roca es<br />

Sinagani uari gadava aqtiur<br />

moqmedebebSi _ maSin reJimis<br />

dReebi daTvlilia! SegaxsenebT,<br />

rom qveynis jaric da policiac<br />

Cveni xalxis ganuyofeli<br />

da Rirseuli nawilia da<br />

me kargad vici maTi ganwyoba.<br />

cindelianisa da SavaZis<br />

mkvlelobis detalebi Tavad<br />

policielebma ar gaamJRavnes?<br />

ase rom, didi imedi maqvs imisa,<br />

rom xalxis mSvidobiani<br />

saprotesto ganwyoba da qmedeba<br />

gadaizrdeba kanonier, demokratiul<br />

qmedebebSi da Tu<br />

xalxi masobrivad miiRebs monawileobas<br />

arCevnebSi. amis<br />

Semdeg verafers gaayalbeben<br />

da Tu Seecdebian rames, maSin<br />

milionobiT adamiani gamova qu-<br />

CaSi da gadahyvebian am gayalbebas.<br />

isic Tu dagvaviwydeba,<br />

`vardebis revoluciac~ swored<br />

parlamentis arCevnebis gamo<br />

moxda Torem SevardnaZes<br />

ar irCevdnen maSinac?<br />

_ rogor SeiZleba ganvi-<br />

Tardes Cveni urTierToba ruseTTan<br />

4 martis arCevnebis<br />

Semdeg da amerikasTan iranTan<br />

mosalodneli omis situacia-<br />

Si?<br />

_ am orive qveynisaTvis putini<br />

Cekistia da man ukve gamoiyena<br />

Cveni fsiqopaTi prezidenti<br />

2008 wlis agvistos<br />

omis dros kidev ras moifiqrebs<br />

_ es gaurkvevelia. saqar-<br />

Tvelos gamo amerika ruseTs<br />

arasodes ar daupirispirdeba<br />

_ es Tqva niqsonma, asea dResac.<br />

vfiqrob, iranTan masStaburi<br />

omi ar moxdeba, iseTi,<br />

rom Cven regions Seexos. amerika-ruseTTan<br />

dapirispirebaze<br />

saqarTveloSi ar wava, es gamoricxulia.<br />

nebismieri ramis<br />

ganTavseba moxdeba mxolod<br />

ruseT-amerikis urTierTSeTanxmebiT<br />

da ara dapirispirebiT.<br />

dResac avRaneTSi mimavali ma-<br />

Ti tvirTebi gadis ruseTze.<br />

eTer kasreliSvili

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