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6 <strong>saerTo</strong> gazeTi #03 (187), 25-31.I, 2012 w.<br />
qveyanaSi ganviTarebul movlenebsa<br />
da momaval Sedegebze<br />
vesaubrebiT parlamenttar petre<br />
mamraZes.<br />
_ batono petre, rogor<br />
uyurebT saqarTveloSi politikuri<br />
situaciis Secvlas,<br />
2012 saarCevno welia da opozicia<br />
kvlav xelisuflebis<br />
Secvlaze saubrobs, miTumetes,<br />
dRes ukve maT liderad biZina<br />
ivaniSvili moiazreba. Tqven<br />
mas piradad icnobT rogorc<br />
pirovnebas, SesZlebs rom iyos<br />
warmatebuli politikuri lideri?<br />
_ batoni biZina gavicani<br />
mravali wlis win da dRes mis<br />
gamoCenas politikaSi imedianad<br />
vuyureb. mjera, rom is<br />
warmatebas miaRwevs. jer kidev<br />
SevardnaZis xelisuflebaSi<br />
yofnis drosac rodesac is saqarTveloSi<br />
Camodioda, bevr<br />
sasikeTo saqmes akeTebda,<br />
qvelmoqmedebas eweoda, Tumca<br />
ise, rom misi gvari ar dafiqsirebuliyo.<br />
marto samebis ta-<br />
Zari ar yofila, man bevrjer<br />
Cado Tanxebi qarTul mrewvelobaSi.<br />
misi kredo iyo aseTi,<br />
rom is saqarTveloSi fulis<br />
keTebas ar apirebda, surda aq<br />
daexarja da qveynisaTvis moexmarebina<br />
Tanxebi, rac iSova.<br />
dRes mas xSirad abraleben<br />
`xazinis qurdebi~, rom mas<br />
aqvs rusuli fuli, im avtoritaruli<br />
reJimis dros, roca<br />
qveyana icleba myari valutisagan,<br />
Cveni eqsport-importis<br />
disbalansi sakmaod didia.<br />
roca aseT pirobebSi adamianma<br />
gareT naSovni fuli qveyanaSi<br />
Semoitana da mas ukiJineben, es<br />
aris tragedia.<br />
_ SevardnaZis dros rogor<br />
xdeboda, im drosac xom eweoda<br />
is qvelmoqmedebas da ar iyo<br />
ucxo yvelasaTvis es qmedeba?<br />
_ SevardnaZis dros Tu is<br />
romelime seroiozul dawesebulebas<br />
xsnida, romelic batoni<br />
biZinas mier iyo dafinansebuli,<br />
batoni eduardi ambobda,<br />
rom es yvelaferi erTi didi<br />
qarTveli qvelmoqmedis mier<br />
iyo gakeTebuli da es pirovneba<br />
sTxovda yvelas, rom<br />
misi saxeli da gvari ar daesaxelebinaT.<br />
erma da berma xom<br />
icoda, vin iyo es erTi kaci?<br />
ase miagebda is pativs am qvelmoqmedis<br />
Rvawls. SevardnaZis<br />
Semdeg ki axalma xelisuflebma<br />
ise Wres `wiTeli lentebi~<br />
da gaxsnes obieqtebi, rom er-<br />
Txel ar uxsenebiaT misi saxeli.<br />
sxvaTaSoris vaJa lorTqifaniZem<br />
Tqva, rom biZina ivaniSvils<br />
rusuli fuli ar darCenia,<br />
radganac is am xelisuflebas<br />
moaxmarao.<br />
qurdebis xelisufleba<br />
unda damTavrdes!<br />
exla arsebiTad ra xdeba,<br />
jer modi, CavwvdeT, ra<br />
viTarebaa dRes saqarTveloSi?<br />
CvenTan dRes aris<br />
avtoritaruli<br />
kleptokratia,<br />
rac niSnavs `qurdebis<br />
xelisuflebas~, laparakia<br />
xazinis qurdebze,<br />
xalxze, vinc sruli<br />
monopolia aiRes<br />
fasebis dawesebaze,<br />
eqsportze importze,<br />
biujetidan Tanxebis<br />
gaxarjvaze da a.S.<br />
male mova dro, roca isini<br />
yovelive amaze pasuxs ageben<br />
da maT aRiarebiT Cvenebebs movismenT.<br />
Tumca, axlac gvaxsovs,<br />
Tu ra dajda esa Tu is<br />
Zegli, an dekoratiuli xidi,<br />
zogi iseTic, romelic meore<br />
dResve Caingra. es yvelaferi<br />
didi danaSaulia!<br />
ivaniSvili saakaSvils<br />
2008 wels ianvarSi daemSvidoba<br />
kidec telefoniT, radganac<br />
gadawyvetili hqonda aqedan<br />
wasvla. orivejer vaJiSvilebma<br />
uTxres uari, radganac<br />
maT surdaT qveynis gadarCena.<br />
amitomac darCa is qveyanaSi da<br />
ganacxada kidec, rom sruliad<br />
moumzadeblad gadadga es nabiji.<br />
axlaxan interviuSi tomas<br />
de vaals uTxra _ me rom damenaxa,<br />
rom namdvil opozicias<br />
SeuZlia gaimarjvos da Sevides<br />
parlamentSi Cemi daxmarebis<br />
gareSe, me ar movidodi <strong>saerTo</strong>d<br />
politikaSio. exla ki<br />
davrwmundi, rom isini amas ver<br />
SeZleben da unda davexmaro<br />
maT~.<br />
amis Semdeg mis winaaRmdeg<br />
mimarTul usamarTlobas da<br />
ukanonobas zRvari ar aqvs.<br />
saqarTvelos istoriaSi<br />
pirvelad moxda aseTi gaugonari<br />
ram, rom qvelmoqmedsa da<br />
mecenats moqalaqeoba waarTves<br />
da samagierod, moqalaqeoba<br />
misces gogonas, romelsac<br />
surda, rom bikinis amara evlo<br />
podiumze! is xom ruseTis moqalaqe<br />
iyo, maSin Sexedes amas<br />
seriozulad?<br />
mimaCnia, rom biZina<br />
ivaniSvilis politikaSi<br />
mosvla aris yvelaze<br />
didi qvelmoqmedeba<br />
qveynis winaSe _<br />
rac ki mas odesme gaukeTebia!<br />
Tu saakaSvili da zogier-<br />
Tebi yoveldRiurad tkbebian<br />
TavianTi TanamdebobebiT, amas<br />
`hqvia ZalauflebiT Troba~,<br />
isini dRes sruliad Camouyalibeblad,<br />
SeuTanxmeblad<br />
wyveten Tu sad ra Zegli daidgas,<br />
an ra aSendes _ xalxis<br />
fuliT. isini rasac moisurveben<br />
_ sruldeba.<br />
male gaigebs mTeli sazogadoeba<br />
Tu rogor mokles roin<br />
SavaZe da daviT cindeliani.<br />
visi davalebiT moxda maTi<br />
sikvdili, es dro axlovdeba.<br />
Tu Zeglebzea laparaki,<br />
male moxdeba<br />
isic, rom gorSi aRimarTeba<br />
_ daCoqebuli<br />
saakaSvilis Zegli!<br />
qarTveli moqandakeebi<br />
aRmarTaven<br />
amas da es iqneba wertili<br />
im samarcxvino<br />
istoriisa, rac am<br />
wlebSi gaviareT.<br />
_ biZina ivaniSvili rogor<br />
SeZlebs gzis gakvlevas gamarjvebamde?<br />
_ me araerTi Wkviani eqspertisagan<br />
konfidencialur<br />
saubrebSi momismenia, rom jobda<br />
mas politikuri partiebisaTvis<br />
<strong>saerTo</strong>d ar miemarTa,<br />
darCeniliyo sazogadoebrivi<br />
moZraobis farglebSi imitom,<br />
rom opoziciuri politikuri<br />
partiebi dRes diskreditirebulia,<br />
maTi popularoba da reitingi<br />
Zalian dabalia. maTma<br />
uazro qmedebebma gauxangrZliva<br />
saakaSvilis reJims sicocxle.<br />
mTel msoflios daanaxes,<br />
rom qarTveli opozicionerebi<br />
destruqciul Zalas warmoadgenen.<br />
bevrs uTqvams piradad<br />
CemTvis, rom aseTi opoziciis<br />
xelisuflebaSi mosvlas kidev<br />
saakaSvili urCevniaT.<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis politikaSi<br />
mosvla yvelaze didi<br />
qvelmoqmedebaa saqarTvelosTvis,<br />
rac mas odesme gaukeTebia<br />
tomas de vaalma ivaniSvili<br />
ase Seafasa. `Tu misi pirveli<br />
gamosvla ar iyo politikosis<br />
gancxadeba, ori kviris Semdeg<br />
man daiwyo namdvili politikuri<br />
eniT laparaki~_ ai, ra<br />
SeuZlia am kacs!<br />
ase rom, winsvla aucileblad<br />
iqneba!<br />
me sxva ucxoelebis azrsac<br />
getyviT, roca `qarTu~ bankis<br />
win xalxi Camwkrivda, ucxoelebma<br />
gadawyvites Tavad enaxaT<br />
is, rom xalxs fuli bankidan<br />
ki ar gahqondaT misi gakotrebis<br />
SesaZlo SemTxveva-<br />
Si, aramed ukanasknel 10 lars<br />
sdebdnen mis gadasarCenad.<br />
maSin ucxoelebma miTxres,<br />
rom rogorc Cans, saqarTvelo-<br />
Si iwyeba samoqalaqo daumor-<br />
Cileblobis iseTi moZraoba,<br />
romelmac SeiZleba qveyana mar-<br />
Tlac gadaarCinoso.<br />
diplomatiur korpusTan<br />
ivaniSvilis Sexvedris Semdeg<br />
ki maT Tqves, rom es adamiani<br />
maT vaclav havels agonebT.<br />
isic moumzadebeli movida politikaSi,<br />
magram bolos<br />
aocebda xalxs Tavisi genialobiT.<br />
Tavad mas ekuTvnis<br />
sityvebi, romelic Tavisi qveynis<br />
sazogadoebas miuZRvna _<br />
`Zala uZaloTa~, es iyo xalxi<br />
romelmac bolos gaimarjva:<br />
de vaali wers, rom saqar-<br />
TveloSi yofnisas is mraval<br />
adamians gaesaubra da TiTqmis<br />
aTidan aTis arCevani dRes ivaniSvilia<br />
da ara dRevandeli<br />
prezidenti. mkiTxeT, moaxerxebs<br />
Tu ara ivaniSvili gamarjvebaso,<br />
me gpasuxobT _ xalxis<br />
neba yvelafers moaxerxebs,<br />
rogori reJimic ar unda iyos<br />
saqarTveloSi! gindac CauSesku<br />
iyos da gindac sxva diqtatori.<br />
Tu xalxis absoluturi<br />
umravlesoba Sinaganad uars<br />
ityvis reJimze, da roca es<br />
Sinagani uari gadava aqtiur<br />
moqmedebebSi _ maSin reJimis<br />
dReebi daTvlilia! SegaxsenebT,<br />
rom qveynis jaric da policiac<br />
Cveni xalxis ganuyofeli<br />
da Rirseuli nawilia da<br />
me kargad vici maTi ganwyoba.<br />
cindelianisa da SavaZis<br />
mkvlelobis detalebi Tavad<br />
policielebma ar gaamJRavnes?<br />
ase rom, didi imedi maqvs imisa,<br />
rom xalxis mSvidobiani<br />
saprotesto ganwyoba da qmedeba<br />
gadaizrdeba kanonier, demokratiul<br />
qmedebebSi da Tu<br />
xalxi masobrivad miiRebs monawileobas<br />
arCevnebSi. amis<br />
Semdeg verafers gaayalbeben<br />
da Tu Seecdebian rames, maSin<br />
milionobiT adamiani gamova qu-<br />
CaSi da gadahyvebian am gayalbebas.<br />
isic Tu dagvaviwydeba,<br />
`vardebis revoluciac~ swored<br />
parlamentis arCevnebis gamo<br />
moxda Torem SevardnaZes<br />
ar irCevdnen maSinac?<br />
_ rogor SeiZleba ganvi-<br />
Tardes Cveni urTierToba ruseTTan<br />
4 martis arCevnebis<br />
Semdeg da amerikasTan iranTan<br />
mosalodneli omis situacia-<br />
Si?<br />
_ am orive qveynisaTvis putini<br />
Cekistia da man ukve gamoiyena<br />
Cveni fsiqopaTi prezidenti<br />
2008 wlis agvistos<br />
omis dros kidev ras moifiqrebs<br />
_ es gaurkvevelia. saqar-<br />
Tvelos gamo amerika ruseTs<br />
arasodes ar daupirispirdeba<br />
_ es Tqva niqsonma, asea dResac.<br />
vfiqrob, iranTan masStaburi<br />
omi ar moxdeba, iseTi,<br />
rom Cven regions Seexos. amerika-ruseTTan<br />
dapirispirebaze<br />
saqarTveloSi ar wava, es gamoricxulia.<br />
nebismieri ramis<br />
ganTavseba moxdeba mxolod<br />
ruseT-amerikis urTierTSeTanxmebiT<br />
da ara dapirispirebiT.<br />
dResac avRaneTSi mimavali ma-<br />
Ti tvirTebi gadis ruseTze.<br />
eTer kasreliSvili