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_ qalbatono lela, JenevaSi gamarTuli

mecamete raundi

saqarTvelosTvis warmatebuli aRmoCnda:

rusebma sofeli perevi datoves.

simarTle giTxraT, megona am informacias

saqarTveloSi didian-patarianad

yvela aRfrTovenebiT Sexvdeboda,

magram ratomRac ase ar aris.

gamoCndnen politikos-politologebi,

romlebic perevidan rusebis gasvlas

TiTqmis araviTar mniSvnelobas

ar aniWeben.

_ me erTs vityvi: rusebs mTeli

sofeli daetovebinaT ki ara, asi metriTac

rom daexiaT ukan, es ukve iqneboda

saqarTvelos Zalian didi miRweva. kremlisTvis

perevis datoveba iyo sasikvdilo

dartyma. ruseTma kargad icis, rom

adre Tu gvian mainc mouwevs gabrZaneba

sruliad saqarTvelodan da perevi _

es iyo pirveli niSani, mauwyebeli am

Jamis moaxloebisa. Tanac gaixseneT Cemi

winaswarmetyveleba, Cawerili 1996 wlis

10 maiss, dilis 6 saaTze, rom ruseTi

hgavs Zunw maTxovars, romelic, surs

Tu ara, nawil-nawil, magram mainc gvibrunebs

Cvens miwebs.

ruseTma JenevaSi cxadad ixila evropis

winaaRmdegoba, kargad SeigrZno, rom

amerika ar daTmobs saqarTvelos da iZulebuli

gaxda, qarTuli sofeli daetovebina.

perevi namdvilad ar gamoirCeva

gansakuTrebuli strategiuli mniSvnelobiT,

magram mas Semdeg, rac ruseTis

prezidentma saqarTvelos prezidentTan

piradi angariSsworeba gadawyvita da

saqarTveloSi SemoiWra, perevis garSemo

iseTi xmauri atyda, iseTi rezonansi

mohyva iq rusebis dabanakebas, rom kremlma

gadawyvita, savaWrod gamoeyenebina

es qarTuli sofeli. Tumca, yvelam naxeT,

rom aqedan araferi gamouvidaT da rusebmac

naxes, rom amerikas azradac ar mosdis

saqarTvelos mitoveba.

_ qalbatono lela, brZaneT, rom

rusebi pereviT vaWQrobdnen. xom ar

gamouyenebiaT igi msoflio savaWro

organizaciaSi gawevrianebaze Tanxmobis

misaRebad? saqme isaa, rom

saqarTvelo, romelic ukve aris am

organizaciis wevri, aqamde Tanaxma

ar iyo ruseTis mso-Si miRebisa.

axla ki zogierTebi varaudoben,

JenevaSi kremlma perevidan gasvlis

sanacvlod saqarTvelos xelisuflebisgan

savaWro organizaciaSi gawevrianebaze

Tanxmobis garantia

miiRovo.

_ JenevaSi xsenebac ki ar yofila

msoflio savaWro organizaciisa. ubralod,

saqarTvelom aiZula evropa, msubuqi

zewola moexdinaT ruseTze da kremlmac,

radgan isedac yvelaferi Tavze

emxoba, ukan daxeva amjobina. rac Seexeba

evropas, romelic xuTmag politikur

TamaSs eweva, male miiRebs umZimes

dartymas kosmosidan da yvelaferze

pasuxisgeba mouwevs.

da me getyviT Tqven...

mkiTxvels yovel nomerSi vTavazobT intervius qarTvel

winaswarmetyvelTan. igi isaubrebs mocemuli

momentisTvis yvelaze metad aqtualur Temebze, Tumca

qalbatoni lelas pasuxebi yovelTvis efuZneba ramdenime

wlis win Caweril winaswarmetyvelebebs.

_ ruseTs namdvilad ar aqvs saqme

saxarbielod. marto CrdiloeT kavkasia

rad Rirs?! sabrZolo moqmedebebi,

Tqveni winaswarmetyvelebisaebr, daRestansac

moedo, inguSeTsac da sxva

respublikebsac.

_ `daRestani! daimaxsovreT!~ _ ase-

Ti ram Cavwere 1996 wels winaswarmetyvelebaSi

da mere wvrilad gavSifre,

ra da rogor moxdeboda am respublikaSi;

vTqvi, rom ruseTs sxva qveynebisa

eSinia; rom es aris daResatani!

rac daRestanSi moxdeba, imasTan CeCne-

Ti mogoneba iqneba. CeCneTSi omi Tu

SeaCeres rusebma, daRestanSi ver SeaCereben;

iq ukve omi bolomde iqnebameTqi.

da dRes, ToTxmeti wlis Semdeg,

iq zustad aseTi mdgomareobaa.

aqve ar SeiZleba ar vTqva Semdegi:

vinc CumCumad kiTxulobT winaswarmetyvelebebs

da mere pirjvars iwerT,

radgan xvdebiT, raoden zustad da sityva-sityviT

sruldeba Cemi TiToeli

sityva, minda giTxraT: kosmosi Tqvens

Cum pirjvars ar miiRebs! ubralod,

aRiareT, gulwrfelad aRiareT, dalocvilebo,

rasTan gaqvT saqme. meti kosmoss

Tqvengan araferi unda.

Cemi wigni, meore gamocema, romelsac

`axali sityva~ hqvia, da romelSic uamravi

politikuri winaswarmwtyvelebaa

Sesuli, ubralod sakiTxavi literatura

ki ar aris, aramed es aris dokumentebiT,

faqtebiT dadasturebul-gamyarebuli

momavlis xilva. swored am faqtebis

gacnoba da gaazreba gaaocebs da aRafr-

Tovanebs msoflios, didsa da pataras,

magram... ra vqna, saqarTvelos garda.

me amas pirvelad ar vambob dRes.

1998 wels vTqvi, rom Cemi wigni msoflios

moivlida da gaaocebda; rom yvelaferi

daiwyeboda amerikidan. me ki

mindoda, rom dawyebuliyo saqarTvelodan!

Tumca, ras izamT, asea: `winaswarmetyveli

arsad ar aris upativod garda Tavisi

samSoblosi da sakuTari saxlisa; ar mouxdeniaT

iq bevri saswauli maTi urwmunoebis gamo~.

_ qalbatono lela, gavrcelda

informacia, TiTqos saqarTveloSi

Turqi mesxebis garda, holandiidan

apireben 40 aTasi ojaxis Camosaxlebas.

ar vici, ramdenad Seesabameba

es informacia sinamdviles, magram

mainc unda gkiTxoT: aris Tu ara

amis realuri saSiSroeba da Tu

aris, maSin riT dasruldeba es ori

wamowyeba?

_ araerTxel miTqvams, rom dadgeba

dro, roca sxva `tomi~ fexs ver moikidebs

Cems miwaze. Tu vinme, ase vTqvaT, er-

Teulad, Camova _ niWieri, lamazi, wesieri

da gaqarTveldeba, Tu Tavisi niWiTa da

unariT Cems qveyanas rames SesZens, mobrZandes,

miviRebT, magram masiurad,

araviTar SemTxvevaSi!

1992 wels vTqvi, rom Turqi-mesxebis

sakiTxi mwvaved dadgeboda, magram isini

saqarTveloSi erTi procentic ar iqnebodnen;

rom isini aq fexs ver moikidebdnen.

yovelTvis vxedavdi mxolod monaTlul

qarTvel mesxebs. es erTaderTi

gza iqneba maTTvis saqarTveloSi cxovrebisa.

mxolod qristianad monaTluli

mesxi!

erTi sityviT,nu geSiniaT, saqarTvelo

qarTvelebisaa.

_ cota xnis win, rodesac natos

generaluri mdivani rasmuseni CvenSi

oficialuri vizitiT imyofeboda (sxvaTa

Soris, es gaxlavT kidev erTi

dasturi Tqveni 2008 wlis 10 seqtembris

winaswarmetyvelebis asrulebisa:

`vxedav, `Svideuli~, dasavleTi,

amerikelebi imden xans irbenen

saqarTveloSi, sanam natoSi ar SevalT

da sanam rusebs ar gayrian saqarTvelos

teritoriebidan~.), prezidentma

avRaneTSi tvirTebis gadasazidad

saqarTvelos satranzito gza SesTavaza

da iqve isic ganacxada, aliansisTvis

bevri sxva SeTavazebac gagvaCniao...

_ da axla gainteresebs, ramdenad

gvaaxlovebs msgavsi SeTavazeba-gancxadebebi

natosTan.

_ diax, namdvilad es iyo Cemi

kiTxva.

_ saqarTvelo samxedro alianss avRaneTSi

tvirTebis gadasatanad SesTavazebda

Tu ara gzas, amas, Tqven warmoidgineT,

didi mniSvneloba ar aqvs.

ratom? imitom, rom igi isedac Zlieraa

dainteresebuli saqarTveloTi, Savi

zRviT, anu Cveni qveynis geopolitikuri

mdgomareobiT. Tu natos kavkasiaSi ise-

Ti partniori eyoleba, rogoric

saqarTveloa, maSin mas, ase vTqvaT, uproblemod

miuwvdeba xeli uamrav saxelmwifoze

da amitom amas Cveni SeTavazebebis

gareSec ecdeba Zalian-Zalian.

_ qalbatono lela, saqarTvelom

CrdiloeT kavkasiis respublikebTan

savizo reJimi gaamartiva. aman sazogadoebaSi

araerTgvarovani reaqcia

gamoiwvia. bevrs gauCnda imis

SiSi, rom Cvens qveyanaSi am gziT

teroristebi iolad SemoaRweven.

_ SiSi rusebs gauCndaT, seriozuli

SiSi da axla imaze daiwyeben kivils,

saqarTvelodan iaraRi Sedis CrdiloeT

kavkasiaSio. hoda, popularul enaze rom

vTqvaT, kiseric utexiaT!

rac SeexebaT teroristebs, maTi Semosvla

saqarTveloSi ase martivi ar

iqneba. es qveyana pataraa da versad

daimalebian ise, rom ver ipovon. aq

safrTxe sxvaSia, kerZod imaSi, rom

TviTon Sadimanebma ar aafeTqon situacia

viTom teroristebTan dakavSirebiT...

ki, vxedav, Seecdebian kidec amas,

magram araferi gamouvaT.

minda davamSvidoT Cemi qarTvelebi,

rom araviTar xocva-Jletas ar vxedav.

piriqiT, saqarTvelo mSviddeba, lamazdeba,

politika icvleba qarTveli xalxisa da

saxelmwifos sasargeblod.

_ ra politikuri Sedegebi eqneba

CrdilokavkasiasTan uvizo reJims?

_ gaixseneT winaswarmetyveleba 1998

wlis 13 Tebervlisa: `kavkasiis centri

iqneba saqarTvelo, ase vTqvaT, dedaqalaqi

ki Tbilisi~. hoda, es procesi dawyebulia.

ai amitomac giJdeba ruseTi Cvens

mier gadadgmul nabijze.

_ qalbatono lela, inguSuri

wyaros cnobiT, CrdiloeT kavkasia-

Si gamoCndnen iordanelebi, romlebic

Tavs `muslimi Zmebis asociaciis~

wevrebad asaReben da mosaxleobas

arwmuneben, rom maTi upirvelesi

mtrebi qarTvelebi arian.

(gagrZeleba gv. 10)

mTavari redaqtori: irma gelaSvili

gazeTi registrirebulia vake-saburTalos raionul sagadasaxado inspeqciaSi.

gazeTSi da vebgverdze gamoyenebuli masalebis da fotoebis gadabeWdva-gamoqveyneba

redaqciis Tanxmobis gareSe akrZalulia. saavtoro uflebebi daculia.

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kosmosSi kosmosSi kosmosSi dro dro dro ar ar ar arsebobs!

arsebobs!

arsebobs!

`winaswarmetyvelebam ar icis Svili da qmari, axlobeli da

megobari. Cven vambobT imas, rasac vxedavT da gveubnebian...

miiReT ise, rogorc vwinaswarmetyveleb!~

27 ivnisi.

azerbaijanisa da somxeTis omi ar

damTavrdeba!~ _ es jer kidev 1992-1994

wlebSi viwinaswarmetyvele, vTqvi, rom es

omi mainc gagrZeldeboda. yarabaRis sakiTxi

gadawydeba ise, rogorc nawinaswarmetyvelebia.

dRes es ori qveyana omiT fiqrobs yarabaRis

sakiTxis mogvarebas. vxedav, ruseTi am

sakiTxSi mTavar rols TamaSobs: `azerbaijani

da somxeTi xom sabWoTa kavSiris teritoriebiBEa?

hoda, ruseTs ekuTvnis~.

vxedav, Zalian rTuli procesebi iwyeba.

rusebi viTom somxebs uWeren mxars, magram

es, ra Tqma unda, sicruea. ruseTi Tavis

sasargeblo politikas iTamaSebs. vxedav,

kremlSi fiqroben, igive gaimeoron, anu

moaxdinon yarabaRis okupireba, magram amis

Tavi namdvilad ar aqvT. arc dalagdebian,

arafers daalageben! piriqiT, ufro daZabaven

situacias da orive mxaris emisrebad mogvevlinebian.

aseve vxedav, rogorc afxazeTsa da

samaCabloSi gaatares agresia, igives gaakeTeben

yarabaRSic _ okupacias; Cadgebian

iq, daiwyeben samxedro bazebis mSeneblobebs

da am okupacias daarqmeven samSvidobo moqmedebebs,

TiTqos kavkasias erTi didi omi

aaciles _ is omi, romelic Tavad wamoiwyes

da isev Tavad ganagrZoben. ruseTis

gegmiT, yarabaRis teritoria erTguli, yurmoWrili

somxeTis SemadgenlobaSi unda Sevides.

aq rusebi ramdenime kurdRlis erTdroulad

daWeras cdiloben. mniSvneloba

aqvs imasac, rogor moiqceva azerbaijani,

romelic rusebisTvis mniSvnelovan obieqts

warmoadgens energo-resursebis xaziT, risi

xelSi Cagdebac surs moskovs. diax, kremlma

unda marTos, rac kavkasiaSi energoresursebia

Tu damakavSirebeli gzebi, romlebic

aseve saqarTvelozec gadis _ `abreSumis

gza!~ mokled, Tu diplomatia ar gaWris,

maSin omi! omiT gadaWris kremli momavalSi

am sakiTxebs.

frTxilad! kaci bWobda, RmerTi ki icinodao.

ise ar aris, politikosebo, yvelaferi,

rogorc Tqven gsurT. Tumca, es

yvelas exeba, ersac da bersac! momavali

didi moulodnelobebiT aris savse, Tqven

rom verc warmoidgenT!

diax, Tqven raRaceebs igonebT da

epotinebiT, magram WeSmariteba erTia

_ es winaswarmetyvelebaa, romelic

yovelTvis marTldeba da yvelas

adgils miuCens.

rac mTavaria, `droni mefoben da ara

mefeni!~ cvlilebebi ki Zalian male iqneba!

adamianebs geCqarebaT, Torem kosmosi sulac

ar Cqarobs!

ase rom, yarbaRis omi mokle xniT, magram

mainc iqneba. frTxilad, aq muslimebis gaer-

Tianebas vxedav. es gaerTianeba didi dartyma

iqneba rogorc ruseTis, ise somxeTisTvis.

azerbaijani ukan arcerTi nabijiT ar daixevs.

misi erT-erTi Zlieri mokavSire Turqe-

Tia, romlis ukan amerika dgas. ase rom,

ruseTis mTavrobs didi siurprizebi elis.

ruseTs SemuSavebli aqvs aseve gegma

omisa saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg,

oRond somxebis xeliT.

saamisod sababi yovelTvis moiZebneba, magram

mTavari isaa, rom `Zlieri~ ruseTi im

SemTxvevaSi iqneba daumarcxebeli, Tu sabWo-

Ta kavSiri kvlav aRdgeba. ai maSin daibrunebs

ruseTi Zvel didebas. magram sabWoTa kav-

Siris aRdgenas ar vxedav momavalSi. kKi,

ruseTi ganagrZobs dampyrobluri politikis

TamaSs, magram es didxans ar gastans. yofili

sabWoTa kavSiris TxuTmeti respublikis

isev dapyroba da Zveli didebis

dabruneba _ es SeuZlebelia, miTumetes,

agresiis gziT! es ruseTs uaryofiTad Semoubrundeba.

ruseTs win didi revolucia

elis, diax, ubralod revolucia! vxedav,

xalxi ukmayofiloa, gansakuTrebiT ki, raRa

Tqma unda, mTavrobisa, maTi politikisa.

gaxSirdeba mkvlelobebi, daWerebi da a.S.

saerTod, rac ruseTze viwinaswarmetyvele,

yvelaferi Tanmimdevrulad sruldeba sruli

sizustiT, rogorc yovelTvis. upasuxod

samyaroSi araferi rCeba!

8 ivlisi.

vxedav, ruseTis mTavroba verafers gaxdeba

amerikasTan. es araerTxel viwinaswarmetyvele

da dRes yvelaferi zustad sruldeba.

vimeoreb:

amerika ar daTmobs saqarTvelos.

mTeli msoflio Sehyurebs, Tu vin

iqneba gamarjvebuli! ruseTi Cix-

Sia momwyvdeuli.

kremls ar surs saqarTvelos daTmoba,

miTumetes, dRes, roca sabWoTa kavSiris

aRdgenaze fiqrobs da am politikis gatarebas

cdilobs. vxedav, ruseTis mTavrobis

uxeSi politika Zalian seriozulad

aRizianebT msoflios wamyvan qveynebs. mar-

Talia, ruseTs isini arasdros endobodnen,

magram dRevandel rusul politikas sazRvrebi

aRar aqvs; aseve arc maT uxeS da cinikur

qmedebebs, rasac arc evropa da arc amerika

ar apatieben momavalSi maT. ruseTis mTavrobas

aRaravin endoba!

moTxovna erTia: ruseTi unda gavides

maT mier okupirebuli

saqarTvelodan! da vxedav, es sakiTxi

msoflios qveynebis dRis wesrigidan

ar moixsneba manam, sanam

ruseTi ar datovebs saqarTvelos.

iciT, saintereso faqts vxedav: rusebs

afxazeTSi did terors TviTon afsuebi

mouwyoben, rusebis sajariso SenaerTebs

daesxmian Tavs da es ufro gaxSirdeba! es

adrec viwinaswarmetyvele. afsuebi xvdebian,

rom isini rusuli politikis msxverplni

arian, rom brZola qarTvelebTan ki ar

unda gaemarTaT, aramed ruseTTan!!! rusuli

politika fesvebianad moTxris afsuebs afxazeTidan.

ki ar mianiSneben, rusebi pirdapir

ayvirdebian, vin arian afsuebi.

isini afxazeTSi mTebidan Camovidnen

da afxazebi ki ara, adiReelebis

STamomavlebi arian, romlebic Crdilo

kavkasiis Crdilo-dasavleT

nawilSi cxovrobdnen. `afsua~ ki

niSnavs mdinare fsous gaRma gadasuli

adiReelebis Stos.

ase rom, istoria Tavisas ityvis. simar-

Tle yovelTvis imarjvebs.

vxedav patara wigns, romelSic moTxrobilia

afxazeTisa da samaCablos istoria da

romelic adasturebs, rom es saqarTvelos

ZirZveli miwebia, rom iq mkvidri mosaxleoba

qarTvelebi arian da ara Camosaxlebuli

erebi. Tu amaze midga saqme, maSin gamodis,

rom iq macxovrebel somxebs, rusebs, kazakebsa

da sxvebsac pretenzia gauCndebaT imisa,

rom isinic afxazebi arian da es maTi

samSobloa... wigni gamoicema ucxo enebze da

gavrceldeba evropaSic, amerikaSic, mokled,

yvelgan!

ibeWdeba sxva istoriuli wignebic. es im

Cvens mezoblebsac SeexebaT, romlebsac qarTu-

lela kakulia

li miwebi Camouriga ruseTma da maTac ise

miiTvises, TiTqos marTla maTi teritoriebi

iyos. magram momavalSi mainc mouwevT

miwebis dabruneba. diax, es asi procentiT

asruldeba! kosmosi yvelafers daalagebs da

xmasac veravin amoiRebs! am Temaze me bevrjer

viwinaswarmetyvele da dRes es ukve

aucileblad miiRebs realur saxes. rusuli

propaganda, vxedav, uZluria am faqtebis

winaSe. es iseTi uryevi istoriuli faqtebia,

rom verc gverds auvli da verc

gaabaTileb.

warsulSi yvelaferi iblokeboda rusebis

mier, romlebic qarTul istorias sakuTar

interesebsa da politikas uqvemdebarebdnen

da rogorc maT awyobdaT, ise werdnen, ise

qmnidnen uazro, tyuilebze agebul qarTul

istorias! magram yvelafers aqvs dasasruli.

samyaroSi upasuxod araferi rCeba! mova

dro da yvela yvelaferze agebs pasuxs. es

gardauvali procesia. ase rom, didi ruseTic

agebs pasuxs yvelafer imaze, rac saqarTvelos

winaaRmdeg Caidina, da aramxolod

saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg.

xSirad mesmis, rom baTums Turqebi saku-

Tar gubernias uwodeben da rukazec, rogorc

sakuTari teritoria, ise aqvT Caxatuli!

winaswarmetyveleba ki aseTia: momavalSi

saqarTvelo ibrunebs im miwebs, romlebic

Cvenia _ trapizonis CaTvliT.

amerika, rogorc aaRorZina Turqe-

Tis saxelmwifo, ise daamxobs mis

siZlieres.

dRevandeli Turquli politika _ es

sakuTari xeliT yelis gamoWras niSnavs.

adrec viwinaswarmetyvele da dResac aRvni-

Snav, rom TurqeTma udidesi Secdomebi dauSva

amerikasTan mimarTebaSi. ruseTTan faruli

TamaSiT, faqtobrivad, dakarga didi ndoba.

marTalia, amerika didad arasdros endoboda

TurqeTs, magram aseTi xisti politikis

gatarebas TurqeTis mxridan mainc ar

elodnen! vxedav, momavalSi amerikis erTerTi

mniSvnelovani politikuri gegma _ es

aris TurqeTis saxelmwifos dasusteba. aqedan

Cndeba qurTebiTvis realuri Sansi, raTa

daarsdes qurTebis saxelmwifo! aqedan iwyeba

gauTavebeli omebi, romelic Zalze daasustebs

TurqeTs.

kviprosis is nawilic, romelic

TurqeTma miiTvisa da akontrolebs,

berZnebs daubrundebaT da Turquli

siZliere daimsxvreva.

es winaswarmetyveleba zustad asruldeba.

Sav zRvaze isevdaisev amerikul samxedro

xomaldebs vxedav. bosforis sruteSi Turqe-

Ti Zalauflebas kargavs. es yovelive ki

nayofia im araswori politikisa, romelsac

TurqeTi dRes atarebs amerika-evropis mimarT.

amerikas ki Sav zRvazec da kavkasiaSic

awyobs Zlieri saxelmwifo, romelic maT-

Tvis saimedo dasayrdeni baza iqneba. aseTi

saxelmwifo ki qristianuli saqarTveloa. diax,

saqarTvelo, `abreSumis gza~, romelic maT

haeriviT sWirdebaT; diax, eri guladi, puradi

da, rac mTavaria, uRalato da es amerikelebs

Zalian kargad aqvT gaSifruli, gamomdinare

saqarTvelos uZvelesi, istoriuli warsulidan;

diax, gaSifruli da Seswavlili! saqarTvelo

Tavisi geopolitikuri mdgomareobiT

zustad jdeba im masStabebSi, rac amerikas

ainteresebs, gansakuTrebiT, evropas.

Zalian didi cvlilebebi modis;

cvlilebebi saqarTvelos Zlierebisa,

damoukideblobisa da gabrwyinebisaTvis.


Cemo sayvarelo qarTvelebo, Cven gada-

Seneba ar gvaweria da amas mudmivad gavimeoreb,

Tundac milionjer. ar daviRlebi.

gana SeiZleba, samSoblos siyvaruliT, Seni

xalxis siyvaruliT daiRalo? arasdros!

dRevandel qarTul Sidapolitikas ki araferi

eSveleba. partiebma xalxis ndoba dakarges. es

adrec aRvniSne da winaswarac davwere. maSin

bevri gaunawyenda winaswarmetyvelebas, magram

dRes xom faqtia ukve, rom asea da rom amas

gagrZeleba ar mohyveba? igives vxedav. xalxi

maT ar endoba, axali saxeebi Tu uSvelis

opozicias. magram erTi ram minda aRvniSno,

rac Zalze seriozulia:

Tu axali saxeebi Zvel opozicias

Seerevian, maTi reitingi swrafad

gaxdeba nulis toli. ase rom,

frTxilad!

da mainc, yvelaferi ise asruldeba, rogorc

viwinaswarmetyvele.

15 ivlisi.

momavalSi qarTul jarSi did cvlilebebs

vxedav. es aucilebelia. vxedav amerikelebis

CareviTa da swavlebiT Zalian mniSvnelovan

cvlilebebs, rac realur, did Zalad aqcevs

qarTul jars.

vxedav, momavalSi qarTuli sardloba

Sedgeba amerikeli generlebisgan.

ar gaikvirvoT: momavalSi

qarTul jars eyoleba ministri da

vxedav, is amerikelia; diax, amerikeli!

Cvens mezobel qveynebs es Zalian ar moewonebaT,

magram verafers gaxdebian. pirvel

rigSi, ra Tqma unda, ruseTs!!! ise, icodeT,

ruseTi arasdros Seegueba saqarTvelos

damoukideblobas, natoSi

Sesvlasa da yvela im sasike-

To process, rac qarTul

saxelmwifos nel-nela, magram

myarad ayenebs fexze.

magram amis SeCereba aravis

ZaluZs dedamiwaze.

momavalSi vxedav, rom saqarTvelos

Zlieri, namdvili jari hyavs.

is kanonebi, romlebsac miiReben, ufro

gaamyarebs qarTuli jaris gazrdasa

da siZlieres! saxelmwifos siZliere

ki swored misi SeiaraRebuli Zalebis

siZlieriT fasdeba! momavalSi gvyavs

seriozuli samxedro-sazRvao floti,

seriozuli samxedro TviTmfrinavebi

da aseve sazRvrebze ganlagebulia

saidumlo iaraRi, rac udidesi Tavdacvaa

qarTuli saxelmwifosTvis. ixileT

1992 wlis 12 dekembris

winaswarmetyvelebebi, romlebSic aRwerilia

yvelaferi. diax, 18 wlis

win davinaxe Zlieri qarTuli SeiaraReba,

Zlieri qarTuli jari da es

yvelaferi momavalSic gagrZeldeba.

vimeoreb, rom am process veravin

ver SeaCerebs!

ufrodaufro gamoCndeba momavalSi,

Tu ra seriozuli

adgili ukavia saqarTvelos

msoflios rukaze, `abreSumis gzas~,

romelsac vercerTi politika ver

auqcevs gverds!

gansakuTrebiT minda aRvniSno, rom saqarTvelos

sazRvrebze idgmeva axali tipis raketebi,

ara Zveli, aramed axali. es saqarTvelosTvis

uzarmazari, seriozuli Tavdacvaa, xolo

mtrisTvis _ didad saSiSi Zala, romelsac

sruliad gamanadgurebeli Sedegi aqvs!

da saerTod, minda aRvniSno, rom vxedav,

saqarTvelos natoSi Sesvla, es pirvel rig-

Si niSnavs, rom mudmivad itrialo Zlier,

wamyvan qveynebs Soris, iyo yuradRebis centrSi

da yovelive, rac saqarTvelos irgvliv

moxdeba, yovelTvis iyos am ZlierTa

gansasjeli Tema. amitom, sanam saqarTvelos

mtrebi raimes moimoqmedeben, Zalian dafiqrdebian,

Rirs ki raime teraqtis ganxorcieleba?

mere xom pasuxis gacemac mouwevT da im

sanqciebis atanac, romelTac wamyvani qveynebi

dauweseben? namdvilad ar Rirs! es, rasac

vxedav, umniSvnelovanesi sakiTxia.

amitom saqarTvelo yvela rTuli

viTarebidan Zvreba ara ubralod,

aramed gamarjvebuli!

18 ivlisi.

opozicia, vxedav, axali talRis agorebas

cdilobs. nel-nela arenaze Cndebian, TiTqos

meordeba warsuli, magram xalxs maTi ar

sjera, xalxi maT ar gahyveba!

vxedav, xalxi aRarc televizorebs uyurebs,

araferi ainteresebs, TiTqos erovnuli suli

Cakvda. ise, TiTqos ki ara, marTla Cakvda.

xalxi daSinebulia, unari ar Seswevs brZolisa

_ politikuri brZolisa. TiTqos dro

gaCerda. yvelas erTi azri amoZravebs: `vnaxoT,

ra moxdeba, Soridan vuyuroT!~ mere

opozicia isev lanZRavs xalxs, xalxi aqeT

aginebs da karuseli trialebs!

ho, rac mTavaria: Cems winaswarmetyvelebebs

iparaven da amiT Tavs ircxvenen xalxis

winaSe, romelmac zepirad icis lela kakulias

winaswarmetyvelebebi. da es xalxi, batonebo,

uzarmazari eleqtoratia, romelic mTel msof-

lios moedo ukve da girCevT, batonebo, nu

idgebiT siraqlemas pozaSi. simarTle arasdros

imaleba. igi yovelTvis zeimobs. istorias

ki, rac ar unda saTavisod daweron,

dro mainc gaaSiSvlebs da simarTles amoativtivebs!

samyaroSi araferi rCeba upasuxod!

samyaroSi mudmivi araferi arsebobs!

dafiqrdiT!!! `droni mefoben da ara mefeni!!!~

dRes saqarTveloSi omebs ar vxedav.

kosmiuri energia icavs Cems

qveyanas.

sazRvargareT ki didi diplomatiuri omia

gaCaRebuli, romelSic saqarTvelo umniSvnelovanes

rols TamaSobs ruseTis winaaRmdeg!

sagareo politika Zalze mniSvnelovania

Cveni samSoblos gadasarCenad, upirvelesad,

teritoriebis dasabruneblad. rac oci wlis

win viwinaswarmetyvele teritoriebTan dakav-

SirebiT, dRes asi procentiT asruldeba.

axlosaa is dro, roca msoflios

wamyvani qveynebi ruseTs mosTxoven

erTaderTi sakiTxis gadaWras da

es sakiTxi saqarTvelos teritoriebia.

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi dialogebi ar Sedgeba.

es Zalze seriozuli sakiTxia, vxedav, radgan

Tu ruseTma ar gaiyvana jari da ar Sewyvita

xelis SeSla ltolvilebis dabrunebaSi,

seriozuli problemebi eqmnebaT _ Zalian

seriozuli problemebi.

momavalSi sagareo politikur TamaSs waagebs

ruseTi!!! bevri saxelmwifo aumxedrdeba ruseTs

da masTan TanamSromlobaze uars ityvis!!!

ramdenime qveyana _ es postsabWo-

Ta saxelmwifoebia _ gaerTiandeba

da did politikur oms gaumar-

Tavs ruseTs, romelic yvelafer

Sig ruseTSi ki didi gamosvlebi iwyeba.

amis winaaRmdeg uZluria.

rusuli politika did dartymas miiRebs!

igi ukrainasTan mimarTebaSic did Secdomebs

dauSvebs. ukrainis prezidents sxva arCevani

ar aqvs, garda erTisa: brZola gaumarTos

ruseTs da daicvas sakuTari qveyana da

skami! gadaxedeT warsulis winaswarmetyvelebas

imis Taobaze, rom ruseTis mxardaWeriT

gaprezidentebuli ukrainis prezidenti daundobel

brZolas gamoucxadebs ruseTs da

maT molodins ar gaamarTlebs! mTeli maTi

erToblivi gegmebi xuxulasaviT ingreva. asea,

ukrainis prezidentma unda airCios an ruse-

Tis monoba, an sakuTari samSoblos interesebis

dacva. rusuli politikis gatarebas

ukraineli xalxi ar apatiebs! es Zalian

saSiSia. hoda, rogorc adre aRvniSne, ukrainis

prezidenti uRalatebs ruseTs da did winaaRmdegobas

gauweven!

iwyeba, vimeoreb, didi omebi!

winaswarmetyvelebebi sruldeba!

vxedav, momavalSi ruseTi veRar

akontrolebs Tavis politikas da

Seqmnil garemoebas. sxvadasxva

frontze brZola TiTqmis SeuZlebelia.

yvela qveyana erTdroulad

Seutevs, vimeoreb, da aqedan iwyeba

ruseTis namdvilad daSla.

minda aRvniSno, rom vxedav, saqarTvelos

teritoriaze rusuli bazebis, jaris yola

niSnavs, rom sakuTari xeliT amoiTxares

samare. am fsiqologiur omSi gamarjveba

saqarTvelos darCeba! msoflios did politikur

TamaSSi rusebs imedebi gaucruvdaT.

saqarTvelom mougo! maT ver gaatares saku-

Tari politika, ver gaxades afxazeTi da

samaCablo calke saxelmwifoebi. verc gaxdian!

TviTonac Zalian kargad uwyian, rom

adre Tu gvian, saqarTvelodan gavlen!

qarTvelebi sakuTar miwas, sakuTar saxlebs

daubrundebian da es dRe axlosaa.

vxedav, rusebis mier agebuli Senobebi

daingreva. TviTon afsuebi

da sxva usaxelo SenaerTebi saomar

ieriSebs miitanen da aafeTqeben

yvelafers, sadac erTi rusis jariskacic

ki dgas!

aseve ar wynardeba da arc dawynardeba

CrdiloeT kavkasia, gansakuTrebiT ki daRestani.

isini Tavs damoukidebel saxelmwifod

miiCneven da amas ar daTmoben! vxedav,

ruseTi daadanaSaulebs amerikas, rom isini

CrdiloeT kavkasiaSi sakuTari politikis

gatarebas cdiloben da uxeSad erevian saqmeSi!

pasuxi ki erTia, rom mTeli msoflio unda

Caerios, vinaidan CrdiloeT kavkasiis qveynebi

_ es yofil sabWoTa kavSirSi Semavali

respublikebia da TavisuflebisTvis brZolis

sruli ufleba aqvT!!! anu, aravis ar

surs ruseTis SemadgenlobaSi yofna! aravis

ar surs sabWoTa kavSiris aRdgena! aravis

ar surs, rom maTi samSoblos dedaqalaqi

isev moskovi iyos!

mokled, ruseTi iaraRs aJRarunebs,

magram xmauri xmaurad rCeba. Zala,

raTa Tavidan Seqmnan sabWoTa kav-

Siri, vxedav, ar gaaCniaT!

Sig ruseTSi ki didi gamosvlebi iwyeba.

vxedav, opozicias ufrodaufro bevri xalxi

uWers mxars. rusuli Sidapolitika Zalian

daiZabeba. vxedav, kremlis binadarT arc

policia da verc jari ver uSvelis.

male ruseTSi mTavroba Seicvleba.

diax, Seicvleba da morCa!!!

aseve bevri ram Seicvleba saqarTveloSic

qveynisa da xalxis sasargeblod. momavalSi

vRebulobT kanonebs, romlebic bevr daSvebul

Secdomas gamoasworebs. bevri ram Seicvleba

ganaTlebis xaziTac. ufro daixveweba

kanonebi aseve soflis meurneobaSic da

mraval sxva dargSic. es cvla, vxedav, aucilebelia

da mniSvnelovani. gansakuTrebiT

did cvlilebebs vxedav medicinis

xaziT. profesionalebi brundebian

aramxolod am dargSi, aramed

yvelgan. es jer kidev TxuTmeti wlis

win viwinaswarmetyvele. yvelaferi Tavis

adgilze lagdeba. samyaroSi yovelTvis

ase xdeba da moxdeba. es kanonia!

vxedav, bevri, ase vTqvaT, kerZo

universiteti daixureba. darCeba is,

romelic Zlieria, anu yvela im pirobas

daakmayofilebs, romelsac saministro

ayenebs. mokled, es cvlilebebi Zalian

mniSvnelovania. icvlebian ministrebic.

mTavrobaSi isev cvlilebebia.

vxedav mTavrobis warmomadgenels

daiWeren, amas aravin ifiqrebda;

ara erTs, aramed ramdenimes. xalxi

ki gaocebulia.

25 ivlisi.

vxedav, momavalSic iqneba mTavrobis

cvla. es Zalze seriozuli nabijia

prezidentis mxridan. igi iwyebs sak-

vxedav, opozicias ufrodaufro bevri xalxi uWers mxars.

uTari gundis daSlas. diax, daSlas. am

sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT sul sxva gegmebi

aqvs, vxedav, momavalSi. iqmneba axali Zala,

modian axali saxeebi, gansakuTrebiT, xalxisTvis

misaRebi da aq bevri ram iqneba

gaTvaliswinebuli garemoebisdamixedviT.

is gegmebi, romelic samomavlod

SeimuSava misma garemocvam, vxedav,

prezidents Zalian ar moswons,

magram amas ar SeimCnevs. igi daucdis

Sesaferis dros da mere

swrafad daSlis yvelafersa da

yvelas!

gaimarTeba didi Sidapolitikuri brZolebi,

vxedav, magram yvelaferi prezidentis gegmiT

damTavrdeba.

momavalSi opoziciis imedi kvlav ar aqvs

xalxs, isev siCumea. xolo opozicias ki,

vxedav, ar aqvs Zala, Tavidan moipovos

xalxis ndoba!

mokled, winaswarmetyvelebebi sruldeba.

modian politikosebi, romelTa codnis done

Zalze maRalia, isini sakuTari saqmis profesionalebi

arian! irgvliv yvelaferi Zalian

swrafad Seicvleba, gansakuTrebiT, saqarTvelos

sagareo politika.

minda aRvniSno amerikis ufro Zlieri mxardaWera

da es mxardaWera zustad saqmiT

gamoixateba da iqneba yvelasaTvis xiluli. es,

vxedav, momavalSi ruseTsac ki gaaocebs. ruseTi

namdvilad ar fiqrobda, rom amerikis mTavroba

aseT seriozul, saqmiT gamoxatul politikas

gaatarebda saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi. vxedav,

bolosdabolos, ruseTi sabolood rwmundeba,

rom amerika ar daTmobs saqarTvelos

(da bevr sxva ramesac) da amitom saWiroa

da aucilebelic, mTliani politika Secvalon,

gansakuTrebiT, saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi.

momavalSi ki vxedav ruseT-amerikis namdvil

politikur brZolas! es brZola mTeli

msoflios politikas radikalurad Secvlis

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da aqedan daiwyeba yvelaferi.

amerikis mTavrobac icvleba, vxedav. saTaveSi

`respublikelebi~ modian da es Zalian

sWirdeba amerikas _ aseTi cvla, vinaidan

dRevandelobidan gamomdinare, rogorc adrec

viwinaswarmetyvele, `demokrati~ prezidenti

verafersac ver gaakeTebs, garda im didi

Secdomebis daSvebisa, rasac amerikeli xalxi

ar apatiebs.

isev vxedav gamosvlebs da es gamosvlebi

mimarTulia iqiT, rom

prezidenti gadadges!

vxedav, irani masxarad igdebs amerikis

prezidents. TurqeTic gaurkvevel politikas

iTamaSebs, gansakuTrebiT, Sav zRvasTan dakav-

SirebiT. amitom amerika mkacrad dasvams

bosforis srutis sakiTxs, raTa es gasaRebi

CamoarTvas TurqeTs da bosforis srute

gamocxaddes saerTaSoriso, Tavisufal zonad

da ara TurqeTis sakuTrebad, romelic Sav

zRvaSi an SegiSvebs, an ara. aq kidev sxva

seriozuli politikuri sakiTxebic ganixileba:

ruseT-TurqeTis dafaruli politika.

ruseTs Tu dasWirda, swrafad Seaqcevs zurgs

TurqeTs da es aucileblad asec moxdeba.

xolo TurqeTi Tu fiqrobs, rom saqarTvelo

geopolitikurad naklebad mniSvnelovania,

Zalian cdeba, Zalian. amas male dainaxaven.

vxedav, es aris ruseTis gavlenis nayofi,

fuWi politikuri nayofi, romelic

Turqul politikas CixSi Seiyvans. sasaciloa!

mokled, saqarTvelo dainawiles! magram

TurqeTi am TamaSs, uazro TamaSs ar ganagrZobs!

kidev vimeoreb, rac ocdaxuTi

wlis win vixile da viwinaswarmetyvele:

saqarTvelo yvela warTmeul teritorias

ibrunebs asi procentiT!!!

momavalSi, vxedav, amerikis axali

prezidenti saqarTvelos Temas

ufro win wamowevs.

dRevandel mTavrobasTan ki Cvens qveyanas

didi Sroma dasWirda, raTa dRis wesrigidan

ar moexsnaT Cveni sakiTxi. aseT

SemTxvevaSi saqarTvelo pirveli iyvirebda

imas, risi mosmenac amerikis mTavrobas ar

surda (da bevri sxva ramisac). wamyvani

saxelmwifoebisTvis Zalian iolia, politika

Secvalon, zurgi Segaqcion da migagdon.

saqarTvelom ki amis saSualeba ar misca maT

da aq gadarCnen Cemi samSoblo da qarTvelebi.

am politikur okeaneSi _ aboboqrebul

okeaneSi _ Cemi qveyana ar iZireba. piriqiT,

nel-nela mizanmimarTulad moqmedebs da gavimarjvebT

kidec. aravis mivcemT saSualebas,

rom CagvZiron. diax, vimeoreb asjer danaxuls:

uzarmazari kosmiuri energiebi icavs

Cems qveyanas _ saqarTvelos. es ki xumroba

araa! am yvelafers ufro ukeTesad momavali

Taoba Seafasebs!!! istoria meordeba, magram

amjerad saqarTvelos gamarjvebiT sruldeba.

ruseTTan urTierTobebis gafuWebis aravis

eSinia, piriqiT, didi Sroma mouwevT rus

politikosebs, raTa ruseTis imiji aamaRlon

da dakarguli ndoba aRidginon msoflioSi.

es ki Zalian gauWirdebaT, vxedav.

aseTi dartyma maT patara saqarTvelom miayena.

Tqven warmoidgineT, rom es sruli

simarTlea. ufrodaufro gamoCndeba, rom

saqarTvelom omi, pirvel rigSi, politikuri

omi, ar waago! saqarTvelo iyo is ankesi,

romelzec ruseTi wamoego da mere amerikelebis

mier uceb dawerili scenariT ganviTarda

movlenebi. Tumca minda aRvniSno, rom es

saqarTvelom aiZula Tavisi qmedebiT amerika,

amoqmedebuliyo. aseve evropac. Tumca evropas

erTiani myari azri ar gaaCnia, riTac

momavalSi Tavad miayenebs sakuTar politikas

did dartymas. asea, or kurdRels bolomde

veravin iWers. evropam bevri ram

dauTmo ruseTs, neba misca maT saqarTvelos

teritoriebis aneqsiisa, rac mere TviTon

evropas bumerangiviT daubrundeba, vinaidan

ruseTi arafrad miiCnevs evropis muqaras,

sanqciebs. evropas xom ruseTi sWirdeba Tavisi

energoresursebiT? magram evropa sakuTar

Zalas gamoavlens da Tan Zalian male. maT

mobezrdaT rusuli politikis siuxeSe, upativcemuloba.

amaze, vxedav, momavalSi xmamaRla

alaparakdebian. ruseTi kanonebs ar scnobs,

Tu isini maTi politikisTvis miuRebelia.

ese igi, ra xelSekrulebebic ar unda

dados, Tu rusebs ar moewonaT, ar Seasruleben.

amis saukeTeso magaliTi saqarTveloa.

saqarTvelo, romelic erTi wuTiTac ki ar

asvenebs evropas, axsenebs, rom ruseTma valdebulebebi

unda Seasrulos da datovos saqarTvelo,

qarTuli teritoriebi.

vxedav, momavalSi evropa Zalian seriozulad

daupirispirdeba ruseTs. isini iwyeben

seriozuli politikuri gadawyvetilebebis

miRebasa da ganxorcielebas ruseTis saxelmwifos

winaaRmdeg. paralelurad, nato kidev

ufro afarTovebs areals evropis qveynebSi,

gansakuTrebiT, postsabWoTa qveynebSi. qmnis

bazebs, idgmeba Tanamedrove samxedro raketebi,

aseve TviTmfrinavebi da samxedro

xomaldebi Sav zRvaze. vxedav, ruseTi gacofebulia,

magram verafers gaxdeba. TiTqos

mTeli dedamiwa maT winaaRmdeg moimarTa.

Sav zRvaze ki nato upiratesobas saqarTvelos

aniWebs, rogorc samxedro partniors.

6

momavalSi ki saqarTvelos Savi zRvis zols

natos samxedro gemebi saqarTvelos droSis

qveS akontroleben. 1997 wels viwinaswarmetyvele,

Sav zRvaze amerikis samxedro

xomaldebs vxedav-meTqi. asea, winaswarmetyveleba

sruldeba. es faqti rusebs gaamwarebs, magram

es xom maTi araswori politikis nayofia?

hoda, verafersac ver gaxdebian. miTumetes,

rom ruseTs seriozuli daZabuloba

eqneba iranTan. TiTqos cdiloben, Secdomebi

gamoasworon da amerika-evropas politikuri

dartyma miayenon, anu samagiero gadauxadon.

magram esec didi Secdoma iqneba ruseTis

mxridan, vinaidan, vxedav, momavalSi swored

irani daartyams ruseTs. es jer kidev oci

wlis win viwinaswarmetyvele. 1995 wels JurnalSi

`lela _ qarTveli vanga Tu...~

srulad aRvwere ruseTis roli mesame msoflio

omis dros. es Zalze mniSvnelovani

Temaa, romelsac adamianebi jer seriozulad

ver aRiqvamen! magram es droc dadgeba.

vxedav, momavalSi msoflio unda

gadanawildes.

es gardauvali procesia. Zlieri gadarCeba.

vxedav momavalSi, rom es omebi muslimur

samyaros kargs arafers moutans. is

Tavdajerebuleba, rom Zlierebi arian da

mzad arian omisTvis pirvelobis mosapoveblad,

udidesi Secdomaa maTi mxridan. vxedav,

amerika pirvelobas aravis dauTmobs.

nato Zlieria, rogorc arasdros.

amerika moaxdens sakuTari gasaidumloebuli

samxedro SeiaraRebis

demonstracias, romelze warmodgenac

ar aqvs msoflios,

rogorc es meore msoflio omis dros

prezidentma trumenma gaakeTa, roca iaponiis

qalaqebSi _ xirosimasa da nagasakiSi _

atomuri bombebi Camoyara. marTalia, atomur

bombze maSin germaniac da sabWoTa kav-

Siric muSaobdnen, magram amerikelebma daaswres

da amiT msoflios aCvenes, rom Zlierebi da

pirvelebi arian.

axla ki, im iaraRze, romelic

amerikelebs aqvT gasaidumloebuli,

vxedav, xeli aravis miuwvdeba.

dRes sxva droa, sxva saukunea. ase rom,

amerika aravis arafers dauTmobs. miTumetes,

rom modis `respublikeli~ prezidenti _

kaci, romelsac daTmoba ar uyvars. igi

swrafad Rebulobs gadawyvetilebebs da arc

cvlis. is meomaria. is yovelTvis imarjvebs.

is swrafad afasebs Seqmnil viTarebas da

swrafadve moqmedebs _ dros ar kargavs.

es is adamiania, romelic amerikas Seunar-

Cunebs pirvelobas, romelic mters arafers

SearCens. misi yvelas eSinia, vinaidan mas

molaparakebebs _ gauTavebel molaparakebebs,

moqmedeba urCevnia; roca ar elian,

swored maSin axorcielebs dartymas. igi

TviTdajerebuli pirovnebaa. saintereso ki

is aris, rom Zalian sjera winaswarmetyvelebebisa,

Tumca realur Zalas jer ar Sexvedria.

magram igi aucileblad SeiZens wigns,

romelSic uamravi politikuri

winaswarmetyvelebaa. da es wigni

qarTveli winaswarmetyvelis, lela

kakulias wignia, romelic prezidents

Zalze gaaocebs da amas

xmamaRla aRiarebs.

asea, sanTel-sakmeveli gzas ar kargavs.

rogorc Subs ver damalav

Coxis qveS, ise Cvens winaswarmetyvelebebs.

asea, lela kakulias

winaswarmetyvelebebs analogi ar

aqvs msoflioSi da sxvagan arc is

dacviTi energiebi arsebobs _ mxolod

kosmosidan wamosuli realuri

energiebi _ romelsac qarTveli

winaswarmetyveli lela kakulia

flobs. es ar aris xmamaRla naTqvami

sityvebi. es, ubralod, sruli

simarTlea _ simarTle faqtebiT,

romelsac veravin uaryofs!

kosmiuri energia gviCvenebs saswauls,

romelsac ver uaryof, adamiano!!! dedamiwaze

am energiis Semfaseblebi ar arseboben.

sasaciloa Seafaso is, razec warmodgenac

ki ar gaqvs. es zogierT viTom parafsiqologs

exeba. Tumca, xalxs mainc ver

moatyuebT. parafsiqologia mogonilia miwierTaTvis

da erTobian. arian niWieri adamianebi

am, ase vTqvaT, dargSi, magram maTi

Sexedulebebi mxolod dedamiwaze vrceldeba

da ara samyarosa da ara kosmosSi. daimaxsovreT!

momavalSi, vxedav, yvelafers Tavisi

saxeli daerqmeva.

vimeoreb, msoflio saxes icvlis da cvlilebebi

Seexeba yvela qveyanas. es gadanawileba

ki vxedav, bolosdabolos, daamSvidebs

kacobriobas. bunebac saxes icvlis da es

cvlilebebic male damTavrdeba.

nu SeSindebi, adamiano. es yvelaferi

kosmosidan modis da

dedamiwis gaqroba dauSvebelia.

piriqiT, mas uzarmazari kosmiuri

energiebi icavs da male mTel

dedamiwas simSvide moicavs.

diax, simSvide da kosmosi yvelas Tavis

adgils miuCens. msoflios axali politikosebi

moevlinebian, axali prezidentebi, axali

premierebi. es cvla SesamCnevia imitom, rom

isini erTdoulad icvlebian da erTdroulad

modian politikaSi. Zalian sainteresoa,

rasac vxedav. magram pirvelobas msoflioSi

mainc amerika itovebs.

amwuTas Zalian saintereso xedva maqvs.

diax, narkotikebi sawamlavia adamianis janmrTelobisTvis,

magram axla sul sxvas vxedav:

narkotikebSi iseTi virusuli bacila

Cndeba, romelic, rogorc ki

adamiani moixmars, adgilzeve klavs.

es xumrobaa araa, adamianebo. am

virusis gaCenas TviTon buneba

ganapirobebs. rogorc ar unda

gamoikvlion, pasuxs mainc ver ipovian.

sikvdili ki gverdiT dgas.

amitom es seni yvelas daaSinebs

da narkotikis momxmarebelTa ricxvi

TiTqmis nulamde Semcirdeba. amin!

vxedav, cvlilebebi, romlebic xdeba msoflioSi,

saqarTveloSic iwyeba. modian mecnierebi,

modis `giorgi brwyinvale~. radikalurad

icvleba qarTuli politika. diax, icvleba

ukeTesobisken. ufro Zlier fesvebs

idgams saqarTvelo msoflio politikaSi.

kosmosi rCeulebs aarCevs da yvela gzas

gauxsnis, raTa patara saqarTvelom Zlieri

adgili daikavos Zlieri qveynebisa da saxelmwifoebis

gverdiT. es asec moxdeba asi

procentiT. dRes ki yovelive amisTvis Cems

sayvarel samSoblos didi brZolebi uwevs.

Cemo sayvarelo qarTvelebo, kosmosi

did gansacdels agvacdens,

vxedav. anu cecxlian gzaze gaivliT

da fexi ar dagewvebaT.

es imedi ki araa, aramed realobaa. saqarTvelo

am bewvis xidze gaivlis. nu elodebiT,

Sadimanebo, saqarTvelos daqcevas mxolod

imis gamo, rom Tqveni politika nuls gautolda.

winaswarmetyveleba sruldeba: saqarTvelo

momavalSi erT-erTi ulamazesi da Zlieri

qveyanaa jer qarTvelebisTvis da mere msofliosTvis.

qarTuli saxe, geni ki ar ikargeba,

aramed ufro viTardeba zne-wesi, Cveulebebi

da a.S. saqarTvelo ibrunebs yvelafers,

rac dakargulad miiCneva, ibrunebs Tavis

saxes, rac Zalze mniSvnelovania da es jer

kidev 1987 wels vixile da viwinaswarmetyvele.

igive gavimeore da davwere 1992 wels! ase

rom, qarTvelebo, SeinarCuneT simSvide da

imedi, imitom, rom saqarTvelo RvTismSoblis

qveyanaa da Cven gavimarjvebT. amin!

(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)


1999 weli, 7 marti,

dRis 12 saaTi, Tbilisi.

luJkovi _ moskovis meri, moskovis

patara prezidenti, is marxavs elcins;

mere TviTon mas damarxaven.

1999 weli, 29 seqtemberi,

dilis 7 saaTi.

primakovi dros ar kargavs, magram

aris sxva Zalebic, Tundac moskovis meri

luJkovi, romelsac, vxedav, prezidentoba

surs. igi Tavis TamaSs iTamaSebs. ruse-

Tis mTavroba Zalian aireva.

elcini mkvdaria, magram xom sunTqavs?

amitom jer prezidentia.

2007 weli, 14 ivlisi.

moskovis mers ver vxedav momavalSi.

igi ar unda daniSnuliyo, magram fulma

didi roli iTamaSa. Tumca, vxedav, bedisweraze

meroba aRar aweria. meri moskovelebsac

mobezrdaT Tavisi biznesmeni

mtacebeli coliT.

lela kakulia

moskovis TviTmpyrobelad Seracxuli iuri

luJkovi prezidentma medvedevma Tanamdebobidan

gaaTavisufla.

iuri luJkovi _ erT-erTi yvelaze Zlieri,

damoukidebeli figura rusul politikaSi

taxtidanaa Camogdebuli, Tanac, Zalze usiamovno

formulirebiT: prezidentma mas undobloba

gamoucxada.

qalaqis Tavma postidan gadayenebis Sesaxeb

samsaxurSi misvlis SemdegRa gaigo. mis-

Tvis arc daurekavT da arc oficialuri

weriliT ar SeutyobinebiaT, rom moskovis

mmarTvelobas CamoaSores.

luJkovisTvis es moulodneli, seriozuli

dartyma iyo da, raRa Tqma unda, pirveli

reaqciac mZafri hqonda _ prezidentis winaaRmdeg

sasamarTloSi viCivlebo, ganacxada.

axalma ambavma mTeli msoflios presa moicva.

amis Sesaxeb yvela didi da gavleniani gamocema

werda, vinaidan es iyo ara ubralod romelime

qalaqis meris gaTavisufleba, aramed

niSani imisa, rom msoflios liderobaze

pretenziis mqone saxelmwifos or _ de

faqto da meore de iure _ prezidentebs

Soris dapirispireba Zalas ikrebda. swored

amitom Sefasda medvedevis es gadawyvetileba,

rogorc `umZimesi Sidapolitikuri krizisis

damadasturebeli faqti ruseTSi bolo aTi

wlis manZilze~. eqspertebi darwmunebulebi

arian, rom luJkovis gadayenebiT medvedevis

garemocvam putinis garemocvas 2012 wlis

saprezidento arCevnebis win Zala daanaxa;

rom medvedevma am nabijiT sakuTar damoukideblobasa

da gadawyvetilebis miRebis unars

gausva xazi; rom is cdilobs, mmarTvel

tandemSi umTavresi adgili daikavos.

rac Seexeba luJkovis `biznesmen mtacebel

cols~ _ elena baturinas: igi jerjerobiT

isev flobs erT-erT yvelaze msxvil

samSeneblo kompanias, gaxlavT erTaderTi oficialuri

beneficiari kompaniisa, romlis

aqtivebis Rirebuleba 3 miliard dolars

aRemateba. amaSi Sedis miwebi Sig moskovsa

`ramdenic ar unda isaubron modernizaciaze,

reformebze da korufciasTan brZolaze,

egreT wodebuli, `mmarTveli tandemis~, anu

premier-ministr vladimer putinisa da prezident

dmitri medvedevis `samemkvidreo mamuli~

idumalebiT mocul qveynad rCeba: daburuli

tyeebiT, faruli dinebebiTa da Savbneli

saqmeebiT.

saimon Tisdaili,

`gardiani~.

elena

baturina

rac rac ukve ukv

ukv

da qalaqis gareT, `sberbankisa~ da `gazpromis~

aqciebi _ 1.5 miliard dolarze meti,

samSeneblo qvedanayofi, romlis mier agebuli

obieqtebis gayidviT baturinas jibeSi

yovelwliurad 600 milioni dolari Cadis,

golf-klubi avstriaSi, cxensaSeni kaliningradis

olqSi, mTeli ruseTis masStabiT

erTjeradi WurWlis warmoebis 25 procenti

da mravali, mravali sxva ram. Tumca ruse-

Tis erTaderTi miliardeli qalbatoni meuRlis

moxsnis Semdeg ukve gadaawyda uamrav

problemas. moskovelebs namdvilad mobezrdaT

da aRizianebT baturinas mtacebluri

biznesi. arsebobs safuZvliani eWvi, rom mis

miliardebs seriozuli safrTxe Seeqmneba.

axla ki imis dasturad, rom iuri luJkovs

namdvilad hqonda survili da ambicia,

gamxdariyo ruseTis prezidenti, gTavazobT

ruseTis eqsprezidentis, boris elcinis qaliSvilis

tatiana iumaSevas werilis fragmentebs,

romelSic moTxrobilia, Tu rogor

gadaurCa ruseTi luJkovis gaprezidentebas

da rogori ganxeTqileba moxda maSin ruse-

Tis mTavrobaSi.

`luJkovi kinaRam gaxda

ruseTis prezidenti~

tatiana elcina-iumaSeva.

tatiana

iumaSeva

mamasTan

`mamas luJkovTan rTuli urTierToba hqonda.

mamas moskovi uyvarda, surda, daxmareboda

qalaqs. amitom, moskovsa da federalur

mTavrobas Soris periodulad wamoWril

konfliqtebSi xSirad moskovis meris mxares

dgeboda. ase iyo egor gaidaris drosac da

viqtor Cernomirdinis periodSic. magram es

iyo ekonomika, Semdeg ki pirveli politikuri

konfliqtic momwifda. korJakovi

(general-leitenanti, kremlis dacvis samsaxuris

xelmZRvaneli, SemdegSi elcinis dacvis

ufrosi. _ red.) arwmunebda mamas, rom

luJkovi saxelmwifos meTauris winaaRmdeg

`Cven kvlav movuwodebT ruseTs,

Sewyvitos saqarTvelos teritoriis

okupacia, gaiyvanos Tavisi

armia da Seasrulos 2008 wlis

cecxlis Sewyvetis SeTanxmebiT

gaTvaliswinebuli valdebulebebi.

saqarTvelom konstruqciuli midgoma

gamoavlina Cvens saerTo ZalisxmevaSi

JenevaSi am problemis

molaparakebebis gziT gadawyvetis

TvalsazrisiT. Cven mxars vuWerT okupirebul

teritoriebTan mimarTebaSi saqarTvelos

saxelmwifo strategiis miznebs da mzad varT

gadavdgaT iseTi nabijebi, romlebic am mniSvnelovani

miznebis misaRwevad saWiro RonisZiebebis

gatarebaSi dagexmarebaT~.

hilari klintoni

SeTqmulebas amzadebda; mohqonda cnobebi,

awvdida meriisa da piradad luJkovis danaSaulebriv

dajgufebebTan kavSiris damadasturebel

informaciebs.

mokled, luJkovTan konfliqti Zalas ikrebda.

bolos saqme zRvargadasuli viTarebiT dasrulda,

roca moskovis meriis win srolis

xma gaisma. es prezidentis dacvis samsaxurisa

da ruseTis kontrdazvervis federaluri

samsaxuris TanamSromlebi esrodnen erTmaneTs.

mxolod saswaulma ixsna maSin qalaqi

ori specsamsaxuris sisxliani Setakebisgan. am

incindentis Semdeg kontrdazvervis samsaxuris

ufrosi evgeni savostianovi Tanamdebobidan

gaaTavisufles. cota mogvianebiT ki

moskovis prokuroric ukan miayoles.

am konfliqtis kategoriuli winaaRmdegebi

iyvnen prezidentis mrCevlebi. sxvaTa Soris,

maSin vladimer resinma bevri gaakeTa imisaTvis,

rom mama daerwmunebina, araviTari

SeTqmuleba ar arsebobs da iuri mixeilis

Ze prezidentis gundSi muSaobso.

axla ramdenime wels gamovtoveb, Tumca im

periodSi bavri saintereso ram moxda. Tundac

iuri luJkovisa da Cernomirdinis ori

pirveli moadgilis _ anatoli Cubaisisa

da boris nemcovis gamudmebuli konfliqtebi.

gasaxsenebelia isic, Tu rogor ewinaaRmdegeboda

luJkovi niJegorodidan axlad-

Camosuli boris nemcovis moskovSi Caweras,

Tu rogor aiZula mTavroba, mieRoT moskovSi

privatizaciis gansakuTrebuli pirobebi

da sxva.

yvelaze mTavarze visaubroT. roca 1998

wels, agvistos defoltis Semdeg, sergei

kirienkos mTavroba gadadga, mamam miiRo

sruliad araordinaluri, magram adamianurad

gasagebi gadawyvetileba, romelic ewinaaRmdegeboda

mis strategiul gegmebs. man dumas

premier-ministris postze viqtor Cernomirdinis

kandidatura SesTavaza. ratom

ewinaaRmdegeboda es gadawyvetileba mamas

strategiul gegmebs? imitom, rom am momentamde

naxevari wliT adre man gadaayena

Cernomirdini da daniSna kirienko, raTa axali

xalxi, axali Taoba moeyvana qveynis

ekonomikasa da politikaSi. ruseTis momaval

prezidentad mas axalgazrda kaci esaxeboda,

miaCnda, rom mxolod axalgazrda politikosis

xelSi SeeZlo qveyanas mZlavri naxtomis

gakeTeba. ekonomikurma krizisma SezRuda

mamaCemis SesaZleblobebi da amitom man sTxova

Tavis Zvel megobars, dabrunebuliyo

politikaSi. viqtor stefanes Ze daTanxmda.

amiT dumam prezidentze zewolis axali Sesa-

Zleblobebi miiRo da miuxedavad mravalricxovani

konsultaciebisa yvela partiasTan,

dumam uaryo Cernomirdinis kandidatura.

viqtor stefanes Zis poziciebis gasamyareblad

mama dumis mier SemoTavazebul

kompromisze wavida. es iyo politikuri SeTanxmeba,

romlis Tanaxmadac prezidenti uars

ambobda uflebaze, daeTxova mTavroba. mamas

es awyobda, vinaidan mas surda, Cernomirdini

2000 wlis saprezidento arCevnebze kandidatad

exila da apirebda kidec misTvis

mxari daeWira.

es iyo im Semodgomis erT-erTi yvelaze

kulminaciuri momenti. dokuments xeli moaweres

prezidentma, dumis spikerma, dumis

fraqciis liderebma. ziuganovma konsultaciebis

damTavrebis Semdeg ganacxada, rom

mxars uWers dokuments, magram meore kenWisyris

winaRames mTel qveyanas amcno, rom

dokuments xels ar moawerda da xmas Cernomirdinis

winaaRmdeg aZlevda.

da ai, aq gamoCnda iuri luJkovi. swored

igi Seekra maSin komunistebs Cernomirdinis

winaaRmdeg. swored maTi molaparakebis Sedegad

CaiSala meore kenWisyra. swored amis

Semdeg gaaxmovana ziuganovma luJkovis kan-

citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi

`ara mgonia, rom ruse-

Ti CineTTan koordinaciiT

aZlierebdes Tavis

pozicias CrdiloeTis

teritoriebTan mimarTebaSi.

nebismier SemTxvevaSi,

me yvela Zalas mivmar-

Tav iqiT, rom umaRles

doneze Cavataro ruseT-

Tan Seupovari molaparakebebi,

raTa sabolood

gadawydes oTxi Crdilouri

kunZulis kuTvnilebis

sakiTxi da xeli moeweros samSvidobo

SeTanxmebas~.

iaponiis premier-ministri

naoto kani.

7


didatura premieris postze. prezidentis administraciis

ramdenime mniSvnelovanma figuram

aseve dauWira mxari luJkovis kandidaturas.

es iyo seriozuli ganxeTqileba

mamis megobrul gundSi. me veswrebodi am

sxdomebs administraciis xelmZRvanelTan da

kargad maxsovs orive mxaris Tavganwiruli

mcdelobebi, daerwmunebina mowinaaRmdege sakuTar

simarTleSi. pirveli sakiTxi iyo, gaetanaT

Tu ara mesamed Cernomirdinis kandidatura?

aseT SemTxvevaSi unda daeTxovaT

duma. voloSini ambobda, rom duma ar daeTanxmeboda

daTxovas da Cernomirdins mxars

dauWerda. am azrze mxolod voloSini iyo,

amitom gadawyda, rom Cernomirdinis kandidatura

dumisTvis mesamed aRar SeeTavazebinaT.

wamoiWra kiTxva: maS vin? primakovi

kategoriul uarze iyo, igi veravin daiTanxma.

rCeboda erTaderTi kandidatura _ iuri

luJkovi. mas mxars uWerda Tavdacvis ministris

pirveli moadgile andrei kakoSini,

administraciis xelmZRvanelis moadgile evgeni

savostianovi (swored is, odesRac korJakovis

mier daTxovnili) da kidev erTi

moadgile, prezidentis pres-mdivani sergei

iastrJembski. maTi argumentebi daaxloebiT

amgvari iyo: `luJkovma daamtkica, rom is

`rinoCnikia~, igi ganagrZobs prezidentis mier

dawyebul reformebs, igi yovelTvis iyo

`wiTlebis~ winaaRmdegi, komunistebis winaaRmdegi,

arasdros gauwbilebia prezidenti _

arc 93-Si da arc 96-Si~. rodesac administraciis

xelmZRvaneli iumaSevi (elcinis siZe.

_ red.) mixvda, rom erTiani azris Camoyalibeba

ar xerxdeboda, mamas daureka da

sTxova, administraciis orive poziciisTvis

moesmina da gadawyvetileba ise mieRo. Tavad

ki, gadawyvita gadamdgariyo, Tu boris elcini

luJkovs dauWerda mxars.

kargad maxsovs is dila, roca yvelani

gorkis #9-Si movidnen. movidnen daZabulebi,

momarTulebi. daaxloebiT naxevari saa-

Tis Semdeg yvelani gamovidnen prezidentis

kabinetidan. mamam maT mousmina da uTxra,

rom ifiqrebda. isini wavidnen, me ki mamasTan

Sevedi. igi ijda gadaRlili, gawamebuli

am ori kviris movlenebiT. momibrunda

da miTxra: `yvelaze metad viqtor stefanes

Zis gamo mwydeba guli, magram aRarafris

gakeTeba aRar SeiZleba~. me Tavi davuqnie,

Tumca yvelaze metad maRelvebda im qveyana-

Si cxovrebis perspeqtiva, romelsac 2000

wels moskovis meri uxelmZRvanelebda. mesmoda,

rom es swored axla, am wuTebSi, arCevnebamde

TiTqmis ori wliT adre wydeboda.

politikaSi xom asea, dRevandeli gadawyvetileba

gansazRvravs momavals.

mamas aRaraferi uTqvams.

ramdenime wuTis Semdeg mamam iumaSevTan

dakavSireba moiTxova, romelic ukve kremls

uaxlovdeboda, da uTxra, rom dumas primakovis

kandidaturas warudgenda, rom igi

aucileblad unda daeTanxmebinaT.

ai, ase amoiwura maSin krizisi.

ra moxdeboda im SemTxvevaSi, 1998 wlis

Semodgomaze premierad luJkovi rom daeni-

SnaT, romelic 99.9 procentiT gaxdeboda

2000 wels ruseTis prezidenti?

vfiqrob, araferi kargi~.

8

1992 weli, 22 marti.

safrangeTSi eifelis koSks emuqreba

ngreva;

1999 weli, 5 marti,

dRis 12 saaTi, Tbilisi.

eifelis koSks ngreva emuqreba _

warRvna.

lela kakulia

2010 wlis seqtembris

bolos

mTeli msoflio

SeZra gavrcelebulmainformaciam

imis Taobaze,

rom didi

britaneTisa da

safrangeTis specsamsaxurebmasakuTar

qveynebSi

uprecedento terorebis

safrTxe

aRkveTes. evropis

udidesi qalaqebimravalricxovan

teroristul

Setevas gadaurCnen.

vahabitebi

erTdrouli teraqtebis seriis mowyobas gegmavdnen

londonSi, germaniis umsxviles qalaqebsa

da safrangeTSi. evropis mSvidobiani

mosaxleoba lamis gaxda 2008 wlis mumbais

teraqtis msgavsi tragediis msxverpli. teroristTa

erT-erTi samizne gaxldaT eifelis

koSki parizSi.

am istoriuli Zeglis mmarTveli kompaniis

ofisSi erT dRes satelefono zari gaisma.

ucnobi ityobineboda, rom koSkSi asafeTqebeli

mowyobiloba iyo ganTavsebuli, romelic

male amoqmeddeboda. eifelis xelmZRvanelobam

policiasTan erTad saswrafod gamoiyvana

iqidan 2000-mde turisti da gamnaRmvelebi

gamoiZaxa. specialistebma, rogorc oficialuri

informacia ityobineboda, koSkSi

saxifaTo veraferi aRmoaCines da ramdenime

saaTis Semdeg damTvaliereblebs gza gauxsnes.

sxvaTa Soris, es erTi kviris ganmavlobaSi

meore SemTxveva gaxldaT.

safrangeTis policiis xelmZRvanelma frederik

peSenarma ganacxada, rom mosalodnel

teraqtebSi eWvmitanilia `al-qaidas~ Crdilo-afrikuli

ganStoeba. SesaZloa, es iyos

pasuxi safrangeTis parlamentis gadawyvetilebaze,

aekrZaloT safrangeTSi mcxovreb muslim

qalebs xijabisa da faranjis tareba.

SegaxsenebT, rom 2010 wlis 14 seqtembers

safrangeTis erovnulma krebam 335 xmiT erTis

winaaRmdeg miiRo kanonproeqti, romelic

sazogadoebrivi TavSeyros adgilebze krZalavs

saxis srulad damfaravi samosis tarebas.

kanonproeqtis avtorebma SesTavazes

mTavrobas, ar miscen xijabian qalebs safrangeTSi

cxovrebis ufleba. prezidenti

sarkozi eTanxmeba kanonproeqts da acxadebs,

rom xijabi akninebs qalis uflebas. kanonis

Tanaxmad, mis damrRvevs emuqreba an jarima

150 evros odenobiT, an keTilsindisieri

moqalaqis specialuri kursebis gavla. xolo

imaTTvis, vinc qalebs faranjis tarebas

aiZulebs, gansazRvrulia 30 aTasi evros

odenobis jarima da erTwliani cixe. im

SemTxvevaSi, Tu saqme arasrulwlovnebs exebaT,

jarimis odenoba ormagdeba.

Tqma ar unda, fundamentalisturi muslimuri

samyaro, romelic evropis qalaqebSi

gansaxlebasa da gamravlebazea orientirebuli,

raTa iq sakuTari cxovrebis wesi danergon

da fesvebi myarad gaidgan, kmayofili

ver iqneba jer belgiis, axla ki

safrangeTis mTavrobis gadawyvetilebiT; Sesabamisad,

gamoricxuli ar aris, garkveul

RonisZiebas, maT Soris, teraqtsac mimarTos.

1993 weli, 5 agvisto,

dRis 12 saaTi, kojori.

germaniaSi muslimTa moZliereba, rasac

sastikad gauswordebian. araviTari demokratia!!!

da amis Semdeg muslimebi daiwyeben

germaniidan gaqcevas.

1996 weli, 17 marti,

dRis 12 saaTi.

erTi momenti evropaSi muslimebi momagrdebian

da iwyeben xmaurian qmedebebs.

1998 weli, 14 ianvari,

dRis 3 saaTi.

germaniaSi didi moZraobebi iqneba. Tavad

qveynis SigniT daZabuli situaciebia. muslimni

Zalian momravlebulni arian. adre

gamoZaxili susti iyo, axla ufro Zlieri

iqneba. daiwyeben muslimTa devnas...

2005 weli, 22 noemberi.

germaneli kancleri qali _ uTanxmoeba

muslimebTan _ yvela amaze ilaparakebs.

upirispirdeba mwared, daiwyebs

maT Seviwrovebas, raTa gandevnos isini

germaniidan...

germaniaSi cecxls vxedav, afeTqebebs.

evropis didi nawili Zalian daiZabeba,

muslimebs upirispirdebian. am Temaze

konferenciebs moawyoben...

2008 weli, 9 marti.

vxedav, rom evropaSi muslimuri saxelmwifo

ar Seiqmneba.

2009 weli, 30 noemberi, Tbilisi.

vxedav, muslimebis imedi, Zlieri fesvebi

gaidgan evropaSi, cruvdeba, mcdeloba

didi marcxiT mTavrdeba momaval-

Si. diax, evropa arasdros dauSvebs muslimTa

salocavebis _ minareTebis aSenebas.

momavalSi es sakiTxi arc ki daismeba,

piriqiT. oci wlis win viwinaswarmetyvele,

muslimebs evropidan, uxeSad rom vTqvaT,

gayrian-meTqi asi procentiT. muslimebs,

romlebic evropis qveynebis moqalaqeebi

arian, ufleba ar aqvT, sakuTari qalaqebi

daarson _ muslimuri sarwmunoebis matarebeli

qalaqebi _ minareT-samlocveloebiT.

maT ufleba aqvT mxolod, iyvnen

evropis moqalaqeebi da meti araferi!!!

2010 weli, 20 ianvari.

gansakuTrebiT aireva evropa. iwyeba

muslimTa moqmedebebi. isini xmas aimaRleben

da avtonomiur respublikasac

Txouloben. es jer kidev 80-90-iani wlebis

dasawyisSi viwinaswarmetyvele da yvelaferi

asruldeba. bolos ki _ maSinve

vxedavdi _ muslimebi evropas datoveben.

amis gakeTeba mainc mouwevT evropis

wamyvan qveynebs, vinaidan muslimebi

(da aramxolod muslimebi) ufro metni

arian am qveynebSi, vidre sakuTari mosaxleoba.

magaliTad, germania savsea TurqebiT,

safrangeTi ki afrikas gavs _

savsea zangebiT da a.S. isini umravlesobas

warmoadgenen ukve. amas terorebic

mohyveba, rac muslimebs axasiaTebT da

mravali sxva ramac.

lela kakulia

qalbatonma lelam warsulSi araerTxel

iwinaswarmetyvela, rom muslimebi evropaSi

momravldebodnen da moZlierdebodnen. dRes

faqtebi saxezea. muslimebi gansakuTrebiT

uteven germanias, sadac ukve imasac miaRwies,

rom Tiubinhenis, miunsterisa da osnabri-

citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi

`saqarTvelosTan kargi

urTierTobis fasi

sakmaod maRalia. am

fasad vkargavT javaxks,

vinaidan iqidan somxebis

masobrivi emigracia

mimdinareobs. Tu es

politika gagrZeldeba,

Cven davkargavT javaxks.

am SemTxvevaSi

saqarTvelosTan megobroba

ar gvWirdeba,

Zalian rom gvTxovon, maSinac ki~.

somxeTis parlamentis wevri

Siraq torosiani.

`CrdiloeT kavkasia-

Si, samwuxarod, da

daRestanSi, mimdinareobs

TiTqmis omi.

Crdilokavkasiuri respublikebis

Sinagan

saqmeTa organoebi

daRestanSi, CeCneTSi,

inguSeTsa da yabardo-balyareTSi

yoveldRiurad kargaven

xuT-eqvs TanamSromels~.

aleqsandr bastrikini,

ruseTis generaluri

prokuroris

pirveli moadgile.

`erTaderTi, rac Tqven

SegiZliaT, es sakuTari

xalxis daterorebaa; daucveli

da udrtvinveli xalxisa,

romelic mieCvia damcirebas.

da Tqveni `uZleveli~,

ase vTqvaT, `imperia~

ruseTis federaciisa, mTlianad

mxolod alkoholizmze,

SiSsa da simxdaleze dgas.

erT dResac igi daiSleba

da Tqvenc masTan erTad

ufskrulSi aRmoCndebiT~.

`primorieli SurismaZieblebis~

dajgufebis wevri, specsamsaxuris

mier mokluli

andrei suxorada


ukis universitetebSi imamTa momzadebis centrebi

ixsneba. es pirvel etapze. momavalSi

ki maT kidev sam _ erlangenis, marburgisa

da gisenis universitetebSic `gamozrdian~.

saerTod, germaniaSi islamTan dakavSirebiT

ukve Zalze rTuli situaciia Seqmnili. ramdenime

wlis win iq lamis Cveul ambad iqca

meCeTebisa da eklesiebis dawva, germanel da

Turq axalgazrdaTa Setakebebi, politikosTa

cxare polemika `muslimur sakiTxze~.

am sakiTxis gamwvavebis mTavari mizezi

yvelasaTvis xiluli gaxldaT. qveyanaSi 3

milionze meti Turqi cxovrobda, romelTa

umravlesoba mravalSviliani iyo da romlebmac

federaciul respublikaSi `paraleluri

samyaro~ Seqmnes _ Tavisi sacxovrebeli

raionebiT, dawesebulebebiT, klubebiT,

meCeTebiT... islamis mimdevarTa raodenoba

sagrZnoblad gaizarda da mrevlis sididiT

meore adgilze dadga.

cota xnis win xmauriani rezonansi gamoiwvia

teleradiokompaniis MDR aRmasrulebeli

direqtoris, udo raiteris xumrobam.

man tviterSi ganaTavsa Semdegi Sinaarsis

posti: `2030 weli. germaniis erTianobis

dRe. federalurma prezidentma muhamed mustafam

mouwoda muslimebs, pativi scen germanuli

umciresobis uflebebs!~

rogorc Cans, es is SemTxvevaa, roca xumrobaSi

simarTlis didi wili devs. germanelebmac,

etyoba, swored es safrTxe gan-

Wvrites raiteris postSi, amitomac mohyva

mas didi xmauri.

mdgomareoba, rogorc Cans, TandaTan iZabeba.

16 oqtombers internetsaitze `svpressa.ru~

gamoqveynda eldar solisis vrceli da mravlismTqmeli

werili, saTauriT `germania _

emigraciis yvavilebi~, da iqve qvesaTauri:

`germaniis miwaze seriozuli erovnebaTaSorisi

SuRli mwifdeba~. rogorc giTxariT, statia

Zalze vrcelia da misi gadmobeWdva ar

xerxdeba. girCevT, visac xeli migiwvdebaT

internetze, aucileblad waikiTxoT igi. Cven

ki mxolod erT monakveTs moviyvanT iqidan:

`aTi wlis win, roca me, rogorc ebraeli

ltolvili, mdidar germaniaSi Camovedi, saarlandSi

simSvide da uflis wyaloba sufevda.

magram Cveni qveynis premier-ministrma imisaTvis,

rom savarZeli, Tanamdeboba da Cinovnikebis

uzarmazari Stati SeenarCunebina,

mosaxleobis raodenobis gazrda gadawyvita.

amitom man saarlandsa da saarbriukenSi

aTasobiT albaneli, afrikeli da boSa Camoiyvana

mTeli aRmosavleT evropidan.

ase rom, mSvidi da usafrTxo cxovreba

jerjerobiT ar `gvemuqreba~, vinaidan isini

infuzoriebis siswrafiT mravldebian da dRiTidRe

Tavxeddebian. es damRleli molaybeebi

_ saxeze Rimilakruli qalaqis deputatebi

da politikuri komentatorebi _ naRvlianad

gviCiCineben, rom muslimi emigrantebi jer

kidev sustad integrirdebian germaniis megobrul

integraciul velSi; rom es problema

uzarmazar yuradRebas moiTxovs...~

rac mTavaria, Tavad germaniis kancleri

angela merkeli gamotyda axlaxans, rom germaniaSi

multikulturuli sazogadoebis Camoyalibebis

mSeneblobis mcdeloba Cavarda. `1960ian

wlebSi germaniis federaciuli respublikis

xelisuflebam mouwoda ucxoel muSaxels,

Camosuliyvnen Cvens qveyanaSi da axla

isini cxovroben aq. maSin Cven Tavs vityueb-

diT da vacxadebdiT, rom isini ukan, samSobloSi

dabrundebodnen, magram realoba sul

sxvagvaria... germaniaSi mcxovrebi emigrantebi

yvelanairad unda ecadnen CvenTan integracias,

kerZod ki, iswavlon germanuli ena. is,

vinc germanulad ar laparakobs, CvenTvis

sasurveli ar aris~.

bolodroindelma sociologiurma kvlevam

aCvena, rom germaniis mosaxleoba ukmayofiloa

emigrantTa raodenobiT. amas garda, qveynis

politikosTa umravlesobam Riad ganacxada,

rom adgilobriv sazogadoebaSi uamravi problema

dagrovda, rac arabeTidan da TurqeTidan

Camosul mravalricxovan emigrantTa danaSaulebriv

qmedebebs ukavSirdeba.

ufro Sors wavida amerikuli kvleviTi

centri Pew, romlis kvlevebmac aCvena, rom

evropaSi muslimebi imaze metni arian, vidre

centraluri aziis oTx saxelmwifoSi erTad

aRebuli da maTi raodenoba kidev izrdeba.

Tumca, muslimTa gamravleba mxolod evropis

satkivari ar aris. am problemam avstraliac

Seawuxa da 2009 wels qveyanaSi gamoica

brZaneba, romlis Tanaxmadac im muslimebs,

romelTac avstraliaSi SariaTis kanonebis

dacviT surT cxovreba, qveynis datoveba

mouwevT. `Tu Cveni Rirebulebebi TqvenTvis

arafers niSnavs, Tu Tqven gsurT iseT saxelmwifoSi

cxovreba, romelsac SariaTi mar-

Tavs, an Teokratiuli qveynis moqalaqeoba

gindaT, maSin avstralia saTqveno ar aris!~

_ ganacxada avstraliis finansTa ministrma

piter kostelom.

erTi sityviT, rogorc Cans evropas ukve

yelSi uWers muslimuri rkali, romelic

TandaTan viwrovdeba. magram, rogorc yovelTvis,

aqac qalbatoni lelas sityvebiT vimSvidebT

Tavs: `muslimebi droebiTi movlenaa evropaSi~

(2008 weli, 1 marti).

2004 weli, 8 ianvari.

Zalian uaryofiTi energiebia irgvliv.

adamianebs Zalian gauWirdebaT. TiTqmis

oTxmocdaaTi procenti kargavs yvelafers.

SeZeniT aravin arafers iZens da arc

SeiZens, mxolod kargaven. kargaven bizness,

kargaven adamianebs da aravin arafers

iZens! visac ar qonda, kidev ufro

gauWirdeba. saSineli periodia. frTxilad,

adamianebo!!!

2006 weli, 1 ianvari.

ministrebis cvla xalxs aRar ainteresebs.

katastrofulad moemateba yvelafers

fasebi.

2007 weli, 20 ivlisi.

vxedav, xalxi SimSilobs. fasebis momatebas

ver aitans saqarTvelo.

2008 weli, 16 Tebervali.

mokled, yvelaferi aireva. vxedav, saSinlad

gaZvirebulia yvelaferi, anu imatebs

gadasaxadebi, fasebi sursaTze da sxva

yvelaferze.

lela kakulia

imatebs da mere rogor?! Tanac ra tempiT?!

TiTqmis yoveldRe raRac Zvirdeba.

ramdenime dReSi mxolod rZis produqtebis

fasma 12-15 procentiT aiwia. araoficialuri

monacemebiT bolo ramdenime wlis ganmavlobaSi

fasebi daaxloebiT 400 procentiT gazrdila,

rac, raRa Tqma unda, upirvelesad

umuSevrobiTa da usaxsrobiT isedac gawamebul

xalxs Wylets da azaralebs.

oficialuri informacia ki RaRadebs, rom

2004 welTan SedarebiT saqarTveloSi fasebi

`sul raRac~ 60-85 procentiTaa momatebuli.

TiTqos es cota iyos, magram realoba

kidev ufro mZimea.

amaswinaT internetsaitze `presa.ge~ giorgi

beqauris statias `saqarTveloSi fasebi

400 procentiT gaizarda~ gavecaniT. dagvrCa

STabeWdileba, rom Jurnalistma fexdafex

daiara bazrebi da maRaziebi da safuZvlianad

gaecno fasebs yvela saxis produqtze,

Sesabamisad, dawvrilebiTi analizi gaakeTa

imasTan dakavSirebiT, Tu ram ramdeniT moimata

da ramdeniT daartya momxmareblis jibes.

magaliTad, irkveva, rom Tu 2004-2005

wlebSi kartofilis fasi 30 TeTri iyo,

dRes igi minimum 90 TeTrad fasobs, rac,

faqtia, rom samasprocentian gaZvirebaze

metyvelebs. varaudoben, rom zaTarSi kartofilis

Rirebuleba kidev ufro moimatebs

da daaxloebiT 1.50 TeTrs miaRwevs.

Tumca, kartofilis fasi ra mosatania

nivris fasTan SedarebiT, romelic 2004-

2005 wlebSi 2-2.5 lari Rirda, dRes ki 12

larian zRvars miuaxlovda. es ki 500 procentiani

zrdaa.

sagrZnoblad gaZvirda Saqari da fqvili.

Tu 5 wlis win erTi tomara Saqari sul

raRac 25 lari Rirda (afsus, ra dro

yofila?!), axla 90 lari Rirs (esec Tqveni

350 procenti) da amitom xSiria SemTxveva

(sakuTari TvaliT maqvs nanaxi), roca 50-60

TeTris Saqars yiduloben usaxsrobiT SeWirvebuli

adamianebi.

fqvilis gaZvirebam (300 procenti)

logikurad gamoiwvia fasis gazrda purze.

5-6 wlis win ocdaaT TeTrad Rirebuli

puri dRes 60-dan 80 TeTramde fasobs.

fasis uprecedento, rekorduli zrda dafiqsirda

wiwiburaze da axla igi xorcze

cotaTi naklebi Rirs.

fasebma asi procentiT aiwia pirveladi moxmarebis

sagnebsa da higienur saSualebebzec.

inflacia, savaraudod, kvlav gaizrdeba

da kidev ufro maRal niSnuls miaRwevs.

xolo raSi gadaizrdeba, es ukve sxva saubris

Temaa da eWvi maqvs, male amazec mogviwevs

komentaris gakeTeba.

1993 weli, 20 aprili,

samSabaTi.

irani myar kontaqtebs amyarebs `esenges~

muslimebTan. iq qmnis samxedro bazebs,

saidanac daartyams ruseTs.

1996 weli, 12 marti,

dilis 9 saaTi.

TurqeTi da irani zemoqmedebas axdenen

kavkasiel muslimebze, vxedav, pirvel rigSi,

azerbaijanze...

2002 weli, 31 ianvari.

muslimebi ki ruseTSi SeWris gegmas

adgenen _ kavkasiis muslimebi, Sua aziis

muslimebi. iranidan modis brZanebebi.

lela kakulia

`irani mzadaa, kavkasiis qveynebs stabilurobisa

da mSvidobis aRsadgenad yvelanairad

daexmaros!~ es gancxadeba iranis Tavdacvis

ministrma ahmed vahidma gaakeTa mimdinare

wlis oqtombris Sua ricxvebSi, rodesac is

oficialuri vizitiT imyofeboda baqoSi.

iqneb am gancxadebisTvis yuradReba didad

arc migveqcia, rom ara qalbatoni lelas

gasul wlebSi Cawerili is winaswarmetyvelebebi,

romlebic zemoT SemogTavazeT. vahid

ahmedis gancxadebidan moyvanil am frazaSi

aSkarad da Riad ikiTxeba iranis damokidebuleba

da Sors mimavali gegmebi kavkasiis

muslimuri saxelmwifoebis mimarT; anu sruldeba

winaswarmetyveleba, romlis mixedviTac

irani Zalze gaaqtiurdeba kavkasiaSi da muslimur

saxelmwifoebTan samxedro TanamSrom-

citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi

`evros gamocda, me

vityodi, jer kidev

ar aris dasrulebuli.

me misTvis

Soridan Tvalyuris

devnebas varCevdi. es

marTlac grandiozuli

problemaa, roca

unda miaRwio imas,

rom sxvadasxva kulturis,

sxvadasxva sabiujeto politikis mqone

qveynebis didma jgufma erTiani valuta

gamoiyenos~.

uoren bafeti.

`ruseT-saqarTvelos

omi samxedro

TvalsazrisiT, ra

Tqma unda, ruseTma

moigo, magram Tu

politikur warmatebazevisaubrebT,

am kuTxiT

kargs verafers

vxedav. raRac miRwevebi,

ra Tqma

unda, aris, Tu imaze vsaubrobT, rom ruseTma

viRac-viRaceebi SeaSina. magram gulaxdili

saubris SemxvevaSi veravin uaryofs, rom

ruseTma am omis Sedegad arcTu cota

dakarga...

kerZod, vinc ruseTma SeaSina, aramxolod

eSiniaT misi, aramed surT, ruseTTan axlo

urTierTobebs gaeqcnen. is, rom belorusma

afxazeTisa da samxreT oseTis damoukidebloba

ar aRiara, ukve marcxia.

ruseTi Zalian rTul politikur situaciaSi

moeqca da am situaciidan gamosavals

ver vxedav~.

moskovis karnegis

centris warmomadgeneli,

profesori

aleqsei malaSenko.

9


lobas realurad daiwyebs. miTumetes, rom

iranelma ministrma Zalze saintereso mesijebi

dagzavna, rodesac Tqva, azerbaijanis xelisuflebasTan

Sexvedrisa da molaparakebebisas

erT-erTi mTavari Tema ori saxelmwifos

samxedro potencialis ganxilva-gaanalizeba

iqneboda.

ahmed vahidis gancxadebidan isic gairkva,

rom mis qveyanas ukve hqonia miRweuli

SeTanxmeba azerbaijanTan samxedro sferoSi

kavSirebis Taobaze da axla maT ufro

daxvewasa da gafarToebaze iwyebdnen muSaobas.

gairkva isic, rom iranis interesebSi aramxolod

azerbaijani, aramed mTeli kavkasiis

regioni moeqca.

`azerbaijanTan Tavidanve gvqonda miRweuli

garkveuli SeTanxmeba samxedro sferoSi

ormxrivi kavSirebis gafarToebis kuTxiT.

vizitis farglebSi Cven am kavSirebis gafarToebisa

da TanamSromlobis maRal doneze

ayvanis gzebze vimsjelebT. ar gamovricxav

axali dokumentebis gaformebasac~.

_ brZana Tavdacvis ministrma.

ra igulisxma iranelma ministrma axali

dokumentebis gaformebaSi, arc maSin dakonkretebula

da faqtia, arc SemdegSi gaxdeboda

xelmisawvdomi informacia farTo sazogadoebisTvis.

Tumca, rac iTqva, isic

sakmarisia daskvnis gasakeTeblad, rom iranma

kavkasiaSi `momagrebis~ dawyebiT ukve gadadga

nabiji winaswarmetyvelebis asrulebisken,

anu ruseTze dasartymelad bazebis daarsebisken.

citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi * citatebi

10

ahmed

vahidi

1997 weli, 25 maisi,

dilis 9 saaTi.

ar arsebobs rusi, romelic Cvens interesebs

daicavs. ubralod, vxedav

garkveul Zlier zewolebs politikaSi,

ris gamoc ruseTi iZulebulia, saqarTvelos

dauTmobs.

2008 weli, 20 agvisto.

vxedav, dasavleTma ukve icis, Tu rogori

myari, Seuryeveli zewolebi unda ganxorcieldes

`didi ruseTis~ winaaRmdeg.

dRes dasavleTsa da mTel msoflios

brwyinvale dro daudgaT imisTvis, rom

rusuli viTom daTvi isev bunagSi Setenon

didi, Zalian didi xniT da ar miscen

moqmedebis saSualeba. es aucileblad ase

moxdeba...

2008 weli, 9 aprili.

vxedav, amerika moaxdens Zalian seriozul,

did zewolebs am sakiTxSi. `didi

ruseTic~ ukve sakmaod daSinebulia da

midis daTmobebze. ai aq, am did TamaSSi,

vxedav, saqarTvelo moigebs

2008 weli, 16 dekemberi.

rusebi ki qarTvelebis nervebze Tama-

Soben, qarTul soflebSi tankebiT mogzauroben,

mTeli dRe sangrebs Txrian

da Txrian, amagreben poziciebs da Tvi-

Ton ar ician, merwmuneT, xalxo, ra

undaT. rusuli politika saqarTvelosTan

mimarTebaSi CixSia momwyvdeuli (es ramdenjerme

aRvniSneT). midi-modian da sad

gaCerdnen, ar ician. aqeT eSiniaT

qarTvelebisa, ar gvendobian. mTavari isaa,

`qveyana dRes ixr-

Coba xazinis ZarcviT,

qurdobiT. da me mTeli

pasuxismgeblobiT

vacxadeb, ramdenjerac

ar unda gamakritikon,

sanam mTavrobas putini

xelmZRvanelobs, qveyanaSi

simSvide ar iqneba.

es Cemi Rrma rwmena

gaxlavT~.

dumas deputati

viqtor iliuxini.

rom ruseTi oms saqarTvelosTan ver

gaaCaRebs.

2009 weli, 18 ianvari, ureki.

rusebi viTom aqtiuroben afsuebisa

da osebis dasanaxad, rom iqneb rame

gamouvideT, Torem perevSi, saCxeresa da

sxva qarTul soflebSi rusis jaris yofna

da yvirili, es ruseTis miwebiao, rogorc

adre, TxuTmeti wlis win aRvniSne, Ria,

utvino TamaSia saqarTvelos miwebis misaTviseblad.

diax, rasac ruseTi axorcielebs

saqarTveloSi dRes: aSeneben

bazebs, SemohyavT teqnika, jari, sworedac

rom Ria, utvino TamaSia, romelsac,

vxedav, asruleba ar aweria. amin! kremls

Zalian male, erT mSvenier dRes Tavze

daemxoba saqarTvelos mimarT gatarebuli

araswori politika.

2009 weli, 19 ianvari.

Tu ra da vin aiZulebs ruseTs

saqarTvelodan gasvlas, am wuTSi gaveci

pasuxi, anu `msoflios wamyvani qveynebi~.

2009 weli, 8 ivlisi.

vxedav, saqarTvelo brZolis temps ufro

moumatebs evrosabWoSi, rusebs kidev metad

moamwyvdeven CixSi! `rusi agresoria!~ _

yviris saqarTvelos mTavroba da meti

arafris Tqma ar aris saWiro. msoflios

azri erTnairia, rom agresorma ruseTma

unda datovos saqarTvelos saxelmwifos

sazRvrebi!

lela kakulia

is, rom ruseTi saqarTvelodan gasvlas

daiwyebda, rom amas mas msoflios qveynebi

aiZulebdnen, qalbatonma lelam mravali wlis

ganmavlobaSi imdenjer brZana da dawera,

rom SeuZlebelia, am rubrikaSi yvela Canaweri

SegaxsenoT. Tumca, vfiqrobT, Sexseneba

saWiro arcaa, vinaidan gazeTis mkiTxvelebi,

faqtobrivad, yvela nomerSi ecnobian amgvari

Sinaarsis winaswarmetyvelebas.

da ai, JenevaSi molaparakebaTa mecamete

raundze, romelzec kavkasiis usafrTxoebisa

da stabilurobis sakiTxi ganixileboda, gada-

wyda: rusuli armiis nawili datovebs saCxeris

raionis sofel perevs!

asec moxda. perevSi rusuli blokpostebi

moixsna, teqnika da samxedro mosamsaxureebi

gavidnen da qarZmanis xidTan dabanakdnen. axla

perevSi mosaxleoba Tavisuflad gadaadgildeba

da SedarebiTma simSvidem daisadgura.

miuxedavad imisa, rom ruseTis mTavrobas

krintic ar dauZravs imaze, Tu ra iyo

realuri mizezi qarTuli soflis sakmaod

swrafad, or-sam dReSi datovebisa, didi

mixvedriloba sulac ar aris saWiro imisaTvis,

rom sazogadoebam Tavad gaakeTos daskvna:

msoflios bevri qveyana, upirvelesad ki amerikis

SeerTebuli Statebi, ruseTs ar aZleven sakuTari

interesebis gatarebisa da damkvidrebis

saSualebas iq, sadac mas moesurveba; rom

amerika kvlav sisxlxorceulad aris dainteresebuli

Cveni qveyniT misi strategiulad

momgebiani mdgomareobis gamo (rom aRaraferi

vTqvaT sakuTari saxelmwifos imijze); rom

swored msoflios sxvadasxva qveynis poli-

`marTlac, Tu SevxedavT, ra emarTeba Savi

zRvis flots sakuTari qveynis dacvis TvalsazrisiT,

mivxvdebiT, rom saqme Savadaa. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, Savi zRvis flotis wyalqveSa Zalebi

ukve ganadgurebulia. `wmida Tavadi georgis~

Camoweris Semdeg Cven Sav zRvaze, 1991 wels

arsebuli ocdaaTi wyalqveSa navidan, dagvrCa

erTaderTi b-871 `alrosa~. SegaxsenebT, rom

mezobel TurqeTs cameti yvelaze Tanamedrove

saubmarini hyavs, germaniaSi agebuli. wyalqveSa

navebi yhavs bulgareTsac da rumineTsac. am

mxriv Cven Savi zRvis auzis yvelaze sust

qveyanad warmovCindiT~.

sainformacio centris `XXI saukunis

iaraRi~ xelmZRvaneli aleqsei portnovi.

tikuri liderebis Zalisxmevisa da kategoriuli

moTxovnis safuZvelze moxda is, rom

ruseTi saqarTvelodan daiZra.

axla am faqtis Taobaze saqarTveloSi

aTasgvari mosazreba ismis. zogi ambobs, araferi

gansakuTrebuli ar momxdara, ruseTs perevSi

dgoma arafers aZlevda da imitomac daTmo

poziciebi ase iolad, Torem afxazeTidan da

samaCablodan fexs ar moicvliso.

darwmunebulebi varT, qarTuli sazogadoeba

SesaniSnavad xvdeba, saiT da riskenaa

mimarTul-gamiznuli mavanTa amgvari pesimisturi

da Tanac sruliad usafuZvlo gamonaTqvamebi,

magram Cven Cvensas mainc vityviT:

batonebo, icodeT, rom perevi _ es dasawyisia;

perevi _ es pirveli nabijia; perevi

macnea im gardauvalobisa, rasac saqarTvelodan

rusi okupantis gaqroba hqvia.

citatebi * citatebi * citatebi

`araerTxel miTqvams,

rom axlandeli

somxeTi, teritoria

rukaze,

romelsac somxeTis

respublika ewodeba,

es istoriulad

azerbaijanuli miwaa.

es WeSmaritebaa.

ra Tqma unda, zangezuri, irevanis saxano

Cveni miwebia.

azerbaijanelebi iq saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi

cxovrobdnen, somxebi ki garkveul raionebSi

saxlobdnen, magram XIX saukuneSi isini

masobrivad Caasaxles. rogor moxda, rom 1918

wels azerbaijanis demokratiuli respublikis

mTavrobam irevani somxeTis dedaqalaqad gamoacxada?

Tuki es regionebi, egreT wodebul,

velikaia armenias ekuTvnoda, maSin ratom

gvTxovdnen isini nebarTvas Cven?

yarabaRi istoriulad azerbaijanuli miwaa.

aris somxur enaSi sityva `yarabaRi?~

_ ara! yarabaRis qalaq xankeds stefanakerti

sabWour dros daarqves. es saxelwodeba

stefan Saumians ukavSirdeba, xolo xakendi

am adgilis istoriuli saxelia.

Cvenma Svilebma unda icodnen, rom axlandeli

somxeTi istoriulad azerbaijanis

miwebzea ganlagebuli. maT ki Cvens teritoriaze

da Cvens miwebze Tavisi meore saxelmwifos

Seqmna surT.

Cven verasdros SevZlebT amaze Tanxmobis

micemas da Cven aRvadgenT teritoriul

mTlianobas nebismieri gziT! amaSi eWvi ar

mepareba.

azerbaijanis prezidenti

ilham alievi.


internet-media

seqtemberSi masmediaSi xmauriani kampania

Catarda, romelic, aw ukve moskovis yofili

meris iuri luJkovis moxsnisaken iyo mimarTuli.

es iyo pirveli SemTxveva bolo aTi

wlis ganmavlobaSi, roca ruseTis sainformacio

sivrceSi xelisuflebisTvis brZolis

gamoZaxili gaisma. raRac kuTxiT es iyo

gamonaklisi, romelmac daadastura wesi: xalxs

Seaxsenes, rom bolo periodis ganmavlobaSi

politikuri cxovreba mosawyeni iyo.

sajarod amgvari Tavlafis dasxma 90-iani

wlebis Semdeg aravis axsovs, roca mowinaaRmdege

oligarqebi sakuTar `sainformacio

omebs~ awarmoebdnen.

prezidentma medvedevma luJkovis winaaRmdeg

saxelmwifo telearxebis mrisxane flotilia

momarTa (rogorc zogierTebs miaCniaT,

kritikis samagierod) da orkviriani saeTero

`blickrigis~ manZilze eqs-meri yvela

codvaSi daadanaSaules _ korufciiT dawyebuli,

mefutkreobaSi arasakmarisi warmatebebiT

damTavrebuli.

luJkovis bedi 28 seqtembers gadawyda

_ medvedevma igi gaaTavisufla. da politologTa

didi nawili axla miiCnevs, rom

ukanaskneli damoukidebeli politikosis wasvliT

ruseTi kidev ufro mosawyeni gaxdeba

(Tu es saerTod SesaZlebelia).

ra Tqma unda, am qveyanaSi politikuri

cxovreba pluralizmiT arasdros gamoir-

Ceoda, magram vladimer putinis eram politikuri

monoTeizmi axal doneze aiyvana:

presas aRviri amosdes, xolo odesRac amayi

saxelmwifo saTaTbiro lobirebis institutad

gadaiqca.

erTaderTi, politikuri xasiaTis uxerxulobis

gamomwvevi kiTxva gaxlavT: ramden

adamians ekuTvnis xelisufleba _ erTs Tu

ors?

es Tavsatexi _ medvedevisa da putinis

urTierToba _ aris moulodnelobis erTaderTi

elementi rusul politikur ganSlaSi.

politikaze Semsxdari moskovelebi, praqtikulad,

mowydnen TavianT narkotiks da

erTaderTi, rac maT rCebaT, is aris, rom

jer TiTqos adrea 2014 wlis zamTris

olimpiadis politikaze fiqri, magram momavali

olimpiuri TamaSebi soWSi, ruseTSi,

afxazeTidan sul ramdenime milSi unda

Catardes. es is teritoriaa, romelic ruseTma

saqarTvelos samxedro Zalis gamoyenebiT

waarTva 2008 wels. martivad rom vTqvaT,

rTuli situacia iqmneba. mzadeba SeZlebisdagvarad

male unda daiwyos.

msoflio sazogadoebis mcire nawili varaudobs,

rom SeerTebuli Statebi da evropa

soWis TamaSebs boikots gamoucxadeben,

rogorc es 1980 wels moskovis olimpiadisas

moxda. 2014 wlis olimpiadaSi monawileoba,

Tu arsebul garemoebebs gaviTvaliswinebT,

xom imas gulisxmobs, rom yvelani monawileni

vxdebiT ruseTis mier danergili praqtikisa

_ evropis sazRvrebis Secvlisa Zalis

meSveobiT maSinac ki, Tu am cvlilebebs

principulad uarvyofT; ufro metic,

es imas niSnavs, rom Cveni qmedebiT kidev

ufro gavamyarebT am praqtikas.

warmovidginoT garemoebis praqtikuli

aspeqtebi. afxazeTi msoflios yvela qveynis

azriT (ruseTis, venesuelis, nikaraguasa da

Carlz kloveri

internet-media internet-media

or ori or i uZlieres

uZlieresi uZlieres i arCevnebisTvis

arCevnebisTvis

Zalebs Zalebs atolebs!

atolebs!

gaixsenon civi omisdroindeli sovetologia,

roca centraluri sadazvervo biuros

brigadebi swavlobdnen `pravdis~ bolo gverdze

gamoqveynebul teqstebs; aseve partiuli muSakebis

ganTavsebis sqemas sapirvelmaiso aRlumebze,

raTa emkiTxavaT, vin adioda sima-

Rleze da vin, piriqiT. dRevandeli `sovetologebi~

ki medvedevsa da putins Soris

dapirispirebis arsebobis nebismier miniSnebas

yvelaze xSirad raime sainteresos

momaswaveblad aRiqvamen.

magaliTad: medvedevi saubrobs demokratiul

reformebze, putini _ ar saubrobs;

medvedevi ambobs, rom navTobze damokidebuleba

`primitivizms~ niSnavs, putini ki ambobda,

rom ruseTi _ `es energetikuli

zederJavaa~; medvedevi ambobs, rom ekonomikas

sruli reformireba sWirdeba, putini ki

brZanebs, rom ekonomika `janmrTelia~.

es stilis sakiTxia Tu politikuri `tandemis~

SigniT ganxeTqileba mwifdeba _ ai

es aris daZabuli kamaTebis Tema.

bevrs miaCnia, rom putins profesionalurad

SeuZlia `Zafebis moqaCva~; medvedevi ki,

maTi azriT, zis prezidentis savarZelSi,

raTa igi moZRvris dabrunebamde ar gacivdes,

xolo maT Soris dapirispirebis

nebismieri maCvenebeli mxoloddamxolod publikaze

muSaobis Sedegia. sxvebi varaudoben,

rom putini medvedevze Zlieria, magram medvedevma,

SesaZloa, odesRac brZola gamoucxados

putinis mefobas.

Jurnalis `niu Taimsi~ mTavari redaqtori

evgenia albaci maT Sorisaa, visac putinmedvedevis

dapirispirebisa sjera. medvedevs

is 1980-iani wlebis mixeil gorbaCovs adarebs,

rodesac mas komunisturi partiis radikalebi

daupirispirdnen, man ki ekonomikuri da

politikuri reformebis daxmarebiT liberalurad

moazrovne inteligencias Soris

eleqtoraluri baza gaimyara.

`medvedevi elitis garkveul seqtors eyrdnoba,

romelic sazogadoebaze mis Sexedulebebs

iziarebs~. _ miaCnia albacs. misi

azriT, medvedevi, ise rom Riad ar ebrZvis

putins, cdilobs cxovreba gaurTulos

radikalebs da amisaTvis specialurad qmnis

uTanxmoebebs sisxlxorceulad saintereso

sakiTxebze; kerZod, samarTaldamcavi organoebis

reformirebasa da CinovnikTa Soris

korufciaze.

Zalze sarwmunoa, rom putinsa da medvedevs

Soris dapirispirebis Sesaxeb arsebuli yvela

Teoria 2012 wlis saprezidento arCevnebze

gaivlis cxovrebiseul gamocdas.

2008 wels putini postidan wavida, vinaidan

konstitucia ar iZleva saprezidento

savarZlis zedized or vadaze metad dakavebis

uflebas. Tumca ucnobia, surs Tu ara

mas kidev gaxdes prezidenti. naklebsavaraudoa,

rom isini oriveni wamoayeneben sakuTar

kandidaturebs.

Tu 2012 wlis martamde ramdenime TviT

adre romelime maTgani saprezidento srbolaSi

monawileobis miRebaze uars ar ityvis,

maSin iseTi brZola gaCaRdeba, rom medvedevisa

da luJkovis Sejaxeba sabavSvo baRis

bavSvebis ZiZgilaobas daemsgavseba.

specialistebi ruseTis sakiTxSi aRniSnaven,

rom putini bolo ori Tvis manZilze cdilobda,

ufro xSirad gamoCeniliyo masmediaSi.

xolo 18 seqtembers ganacxada, rom

momaval wels pensiebi gaizrdeba, rac Riad

mianiSnebs mis zraxvebze amomrCevelTa mimarT.

seqtemberSi `valdais~ klubis wevrebTan

_ dasavlel Jurnalistebsa da swavlulebTan

Sexvedrisas, putinma paraleli gaavlo Tavissa

da amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis prezident

franklin delano ruzvelts Soris, romelic

prezidentad oTxjer airCies.

magram medvedevsac surs meore vadiT

prezidentoba da yvelafridan Cans, rom

arCevnebs umiznebs.

seqtemberSi misma pres-mdivanma natalia

timakovam, rodesac televizias intervius

aZlevda, ganacxada, rom `qveynis meTauris

mier SemoTavazebul modernizaciis programas

mxars uWers sazogadoebisa da mTavrobis

mniSvnelovani nawili. aqedan gamomdinare,

am miznebis miRwevas erTi saprezidento vada

ar eyofa~.

moskovuri yoveldRiuri gamocemis `nezavisimaia

gazetas~ redaqtori konstantin remCuki

miiCnevs, rom medvedevma moskovis meri imitom

moaSora, rom isic politikur mZimewonosanTa

ricxvSi Sedioda.

`Cveni sazogadoeba ierarqiuladaa mowyobili

da Tu gsurs, seriozulad aRgiqvan,

vinme Zlieri unda daamarcxo~. _ ganmarta man.

remCukma paraleli gaavlo amJamindel

movlenebsa da 2004 wels Soris, roca putinma

navTobmagnatis, xadarkovskis dapatimrebis

brZaneba gasca, riTac yovlisSemZlebeli

lideris pozicia gaimyara.

kremlis `piarSCiki~ gleb pavlovski miiCnevs,

rom arc putinsa da arc medvedevs ar

surT erTmaneTTan konfliqti.

`maT imedi aqvT, rom arCevani cxadi iqneba~,

_ ambobs is. magram misi sityvebiT,

rac dro gadis, miT ufro Cans, rom es

SesaZloa sulac ar iyos ase.

hoda, es niSnavs, rom politikur cxovrebaSi

kvlav daiwyeba raRac saintereso procesebi.

kurt uolkeri soWis soWis olimp olimpiada olimp iada SesaZlebelia

SesaZlebelia

ruseTze ruseTze zemoqmedebisa zemoqmedebisa da da samarTlianobis

samarTlianobis

aRdgen aRdgenis aRdgen is berketad berketad iqces iqces. iqces

naurus garda) suverenuli saqarTvelos nawilia.

ukve dRes olimpiuri kompleqsis mSeneblebi

afxazeTSi arian dabinavebulebi. 2014

wlisTvis iq turistebs daabinaveben. isini

ise gadalaxaven sazRvars ruseTsa da afxazeTs

Soris, rom saqarTvelos suverenitetze

miniSnebac aRar iqneba. TvalSisacemi

gaxdeba afxazeTis `saxelmwifoebriobis~ simboloebi

_ droSebi, samogzauro dokumentacia

da amasTan erTad, afxazeTisa da

`samxreT oseTis~ `prezidentebi~ olimpiadas

aSS-isa da evropis liderebTan erTad daeswrebian.

imisaTvis, rom Tavidan aviciloT arasasiamovno

arCevani boikotsa da Tanamonawileobas

Soris, SeerTebulma Statebma da evropam

mesame gzis moZieba unda moaxerxon:

soWis olimpiada im gaWianurebuli konfliqtebis

mogvarebis katalizatorad unda

iqces, romlebiTac kavkasiam 21-e saukuneSi

Seabija.

ruseTi dainteresebulia soWis olimpiadis

warmatebiT. am interess Cvenc viziarebT.

swored es unda iqces Zlier stimulad

imisaTvis, rom istorias Cabardes moskovis

nulovani TamaSebi, romlebic dafuZnebulia

principze `dayavi da ibatone~ kavkasiaSi. es

iqneboda saukeTeso gamosavali regionis

qveynebisa da xalxebisaTvis, moskovisaTvis,

portsmenebisa da olimpiuri TamaSebisTvisac.

amis misaRwevad oTxi nabijis gadadgmaa

saWiro.

pirveli: Cven yvelasaTvis cxadi unda

gavxadoT, rom dRevandel evropaSi sazRvrebis

Zalis gamoyenebiT Secvla aRiarebuli

ar iqneba. diplomatiuri nabijebi axlave

unda gadaidgas, raTa Semodgomaze natosa

da aSS-evropis samitebze Cven SevTanxmdeT

da afxazeTisa da saqarTvelos meore separatistuli

respublikis _ `samxreT oseTis~

arcnobis politika oficialurad davadasturoT.

miuxedavad imisa, rom detalebi dasazustebeli

iqneba, amgvari politika unda

gulisxmobdes: a) saxelmwifoebriobisa da am

ori regionis mier gacemuli samogzauro

dokumentebis arcnobas; b) oficialuri vizitebis

dauSveblobas, Tu isini saqarTvelodan

ar ganxorcieldeba; g) am separatistul

respublikebSi arsebul bizneswarmonaqmnebT-

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an vaWrobisa da investirebis dauSveblobas;

d) separatistTa oficialuri pirebisTvis

vizebis gaucemlobas, garda im SemTxvevebisa,

rodesac pirobebs aSS da evrokavSiri

daaweseben. aqve unda aRiniSnos isic, rom

dasavleTi mzadaa swrafad Tqvas uari amgvar

politikaze im SemTxvevaSi, Tu

saqarTvelosTan ganxorcieldeba SeTanxmeba,

romelsac saerTaSoriso sazogadoeba gauwevs

zedamxedvelobas.

meore: araRiarebis politikis paralelurad,

SeerTebulma Statebma da evropam axali

biZgi unda miscen Jenevis process _ molaparakebebs

saqarTvelos, afxazeTsa da `samxreT

oseTs~ Soris. pirveli molaparakebebi, evrokav-

Siris SuamdgomlobiT dadebuli samSvidobo

SeTanxmebis Semdeg, 2008 wels Sedga, magram

axla molaparakebebi SeCerda. SeerTebulma

Statebma urTierTobebis gadatvirTvaze 2009

wlis dasawyisSive mianiSna, droa, ruseTmac

daiwyos gadatvirTva.

mesame: unda ganaxldes Zalisxmeva regionis

kidev erTi didi konfliqtis mogvare-

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bis mimarTulebiT. es mTiani yarabaRia,

romelzec somxeTi da azerbaijani davoben.

am sakiTxze, ukve wlebia, SerTebuli Statebi

da evropa erTad muSaoben da problemis

mowesrigebis konturebi karga xania, gamoikveTa.

somxur-azerbaijanuli konfliqtis

mowesrigeba regionSi stimuls miscemda

turizmisa da vaWrobis ganviTarebasa da

ekonomikur keTildReobas.

saWiroa gaimarTos evropis usafrTxoebisa

da TanamSromlobis minskis jgufis ministeriali,

romelsac aSS saxelmwifo mdivani

hilari klintoni da ruseTis sagareo

saqmeTa ministri sergei lavrovi waruZRvebian,

raTa konfliqtis mowesrigebis procesze

zewola moaxdinon.

meoTxe: euTom, evropis kavSirma da

SeerTebulma Statebma meti resursi unda

Cadon demokratiuli institutebis ganmtkicebaSi,

mxari unda dauWiron arasamTavrobo

organizaciebs, konfliqturi zonebis

monitorings, ebrZolon korufcias da moizidon

investiciebi mTels kavkasiaSi,

da me getyviT Tqven...

(dasawyisi gv. 2)

igive informacia modis afxazeTidanac,

iqac gamoCenilan `muslimi Zmebi~.

imasac amboben, rom es organizacia

prorusulia da iordaniaSi sruliad

legalurad saqmianoben.

_ am kiTxvaze saerTod mecineba. mag

iordaniam Tavis Tavs mixedos, is sjobs.

`muslimi Zmebi~ verafersac ver miaRweven.

rusebi yvelafers mied-moedebian,

magram msoflio maT yursac aRar udgebs.

es agoniaSi Cavardnili momakvdavis

forTxvaa da meti araferi.

_ irkveva, rom ruseTi CrdiloeT

kavkasiis ganviTarebisTvis strategiuli

gegmis mixedviT, iq rusi mosaxleobis

gazrdas moiazrebs. es

informacia `komersantma~ gaavrcela.

_ es stalinuri gegmaa, anu gaasaxlon

mkvidri mosaxleoba da iq rusebi

gaamravlon. Crdiloeli mezobeli Tavisi

samxreTisken moiwevs, imitom, rom

Tbili adgilebi urCevnia civ klimats.

ise, mec, Tu mkiTxavT, ruseTis teritoria

sacxovreblad uvargisad mimaCnia. iq

kargia, moiyvanon puri. diax, ruseTi

fiqrobs, ise moedos samxreTs, rogorc

warsulSi volgispireTidan daiZra da

lamis mTeli monRoleTi daikava. es ki

gamoiwvevs mudmiv brZolebs.

_ qalbatono lela, raRac ise

veRar aris ruseT-iranis urTierTobaSic.

ruseTis `saxelmwifo korporaciis

xelmZRvanelma sergei Cemezovis

gancxadebiT, ruseTi mzadaa

irans kompensacia gadauxados sazenito-saraketo

danadgarebis c-300

miuwodeblobis gamo. ratom gadaifiqra

ruseTma iranis iaraRiT

momarageba?

_ imitom, rom mixvda, ra saSiSroebasTanac

aqvs saqme. mixvda, magram jer

kidev amerikis jibrze TamaSobs da

vaWrobs. didi vaWroba midis aSS-ruseTs

Soris, rac arc saqarTvelom icis da

arc msofliom.

_ seqtemberSi safrangeTsa da

londonSi msxvili teraqtebi aiciles

Tavidan. saubari iyo imaze,

rom al-qaidas teroristebs eifelis

koSkis afeTqeba hqondaT gegma-

Si, Tumca, oficialuri informaciis

Tanaxmad, koSkSi asafeTqebeli mowyobiloba

ver aRmoaCines. aris Tu

ar es is SemTxveva, romelic Tqven

iwinaswarmetyveleT, rom eifelis koSks

ngreva daemuqreboda?

_ jer pirveli, rom Zalian kargad

ipoves asafeTqebeli mowyobiloba, magram

ar gaaxmovanes panikis Tavidan

acilebis mizniT; da meorec: es iyo

realuri muqara eifelis koSkis ngrevisa,

magram ara ukanaskneli.

_ anu safrTxe kidev arsebobs?

_diax, namdvilad arsebobs.

_ qalbatono lela, Zalian saintereso

procesebi daiwyo arqtikaSi.

kanadam iq erT-erT sofelSi specialuri

samxedro qvedanayofi gana-

Tavsa da wyalqveSa navebis samSeneblo

bazis agebas gegmavs. dania

saswrafod afarTovebs Tavis samxedro

bazas grenlandiaSi da swrafi reagirebis

Zalebs ayalibebs sakuTari

interesebis dasacavad. rac Seexeba

amerikas, misi atomuri wyalqveSa

kreiserebiT, rogorc ityvian, gadavsebulia

polaruli wylebi. aseve

sakuTari interesebi aqvs arqtikaSi

ruseTsac.

ra xdeba, qalbatono lela, ras

eZeben, ras iyofen yinulebSi es

saxelmwifoebi?

_ navTobsa da gazs iyofen. es ar

aris ubralo teritoriuli interesebidan

gamomdinare dapirispireba. es aris

sakuTari ekonomikis moZlierebisTvis,

Sesabamisad, msoflio politikis ganmsazRvrelis

rolisTvis brZola.

_ sxvaTa Soris, amerikeli eqspertebis

azriT, arqtikuli yinulebis qveS msoflios

bunebrivi airis maragis mesamedi

devs: 29 miliardi bareli navTobi

da daaxloebiT 5 miliardi gazis

kondesati. vin gaxdeba momavalSi am

uzarmazari simdidris mflobeli?

_ amerika.

_ aSS-s yvelaze mWidrod dasaxlebuli

da mdidari Statis gubernatorma

Svarcnegerma Statis mosaxleobas

finansuri krizisis dasruleba miuloca.

xom ar moaswavebs es Tqveni winaswarmetyvelebis

asrulebis dasawyiss, rom

`ekonomikur kriziss msoflioSi amerikelebi

wertils dausvamen. rogorc

wamoiwyes, ise SeaCereben xelovnur

kriziss~ (2008 weli, 23 ivnisi).

_ ara, amerika jer ar apirebs am

krizisis Sewyvetas. sanam CineTsa da

aRmosavleTis qveynebs ar `moaxrCobs~,

manamde am xelovnur TamaSs ar Sewyvets.

calke aRebul Stats ki amindis

Seqmna ar SeuZlia.

_ belorusiis erT-erTma maRal-

Cinosanma gaaxmovana lukaSenkos gancxadeba,

rom im SemTxvevaSi, Tu ruse-

Ti ar cnobs mis gamarjvebas momaval

saprezidento arCevnebSi,

lukaSenko aramxolod `dsT~-dan,

aramed yvela saxelmwifoTaSorisi

organizaciidan gaiyvans beloruss.

gamodis, rom lukaSenko Zalian darwmunebulia

sakuTar gamarjvebaSi.

Tqven ras ityviT, isev igi gaxdeba

prezidenti?

_ es kaci ukvdavi kaSCeisaviTaa. gaxdeba

prezedenti. mas isedac unda gamosvla

dsT-dan da mizezebs eZebs.

_ sxvaTa Soris, Cveni gazeTis

#3-Si, anu im periodSi, roca belorusi

saprezidento arCevnebis

molodinSi iyo, Tqven brZaneT,

lukaSenkos araTu axla, meoTxedac

airCeven prezidentado.

saqarTveloSi, sadac demokratiuli institutebi

ufro Zlieri, Tumca mainc

myifea, Semdgom arCevnebs Zalian didi

yuradRebiT unda daakvirdnen, raTa is

SeZlebisdagvarad sufTad Catardes. somxeTsa

da azerbaijanSi unda gavaZlieroT

WeSmariti demokratizaciis moTxovnebi. vaSingtonma

unda gazardos Tavisuflebis

mxardamWeri aqtebis dafinanseba da iTanamSromlos

evrokavSiris `aRmosavleT partniorobis~

inicitivasTan. jansaRi politikuri

da ekonomiuri procesi aamaRlebs

konfliqtebis gadawyvetis stimuls da separatistul

mxareebs ufro mWidro integraciis

survils gauCens.

Tu SeerTebuli Statebi da evropa arafers

gaakeTeben, 2014 wels marTlac arasasiamovno

situacias gadavawydebiT. magram Tu aqtiurobas

axlave daviwyebT, Cven movipovebT

pozicias, romelsac safuZvlad demokratiuli

faseulobebi udevs da soWis olimpiadamde

karga xniT adre problemis grZelvadiani

gadawyvetis perspeqtivas SeviqmniT.

_ hoda, ase moxda da moxdeba kidec.

_ qalbatono lela, ruseTma azerbaijanTan

erTob ucnauri xelSekruleba

gaaforma, romlis Tanaxmadac

azerbaijans ruseTis teritoriis

strategiuli nawili gadaeca. es

aris daRestan-azerbaijanis sazRvris

samxreTis mozrdili nawili. ra xdeba,

qalbatono lela, ratom gaxda mudam

sxvisi miwebis mitacebaze gamecadineuli

ruseTi ase guluxvi?

_ jer kidev sakiTxavia, realurad

misces ki es miwebi?

_ raxan Tqven aseT kiTxvas svamT,

ese igi, ar miuciaT. maS ra aris

ruseTis am gancxadebis mizani?

_ ra da, kremlma amiT kidev erTi

bombi Cado daRestanTan mimarTebaSi

(xom giTxariT, daRestani Zalian aforiaqebs

da aSinebs ruseTs-meTQqi?). fiqrobs,

iqneb azebaijani movTaflo da daRestnis

winaaRmdeg brZolaSi mivimxroo. mere

ki saqarTvelos winaaRmdegac mosTxovos

daxmareba. ra Tqma unda, alievi kargad

xvdeba, raSic aris saqme, ubralod,

ar aRizianebs ruseTs... magram daRestansa

da azerbaijans Soris dapirispireba

mainc iqneba.

_ kidev erTi Tema samezoblodan:

somxeTis parlaments jer ar aqvs

ratificirebuli rusuli bazebis

sakuTar teritoriaze 49 wlis vadiT

ganTavsebis xelSekruleba. ra

bedi elis am dokuments _ daamtkicebs

mas parlamenti, Tu igi faratina

qaRaldad darCeba?

_ faratina qaRaldad darCeba. msoflioSi

imxela cvlilebebi moxdeba, rom

amas veravin warmoidgens.

_ gavrcelda informacia, rom cota

xnis win marneulis raionis erTerTi

soflis mosaxleoba Seikriba

da ruseTis xelisuflebas mimarTa

TxovniT, mieRoT 25 aTasi `qarTveli~

azerbaijaneli Tavis teritoriaze

sacxovreblad.

_ am moTxovnas ar udevs araviTari

politikuri sarCuli. aq imazea saubari,

rom azerbaijanelebi Zalian SeizRudnen

axali reformebiT, quCaSi mwvanils veRar

yidian, Semosavali SeumcirdaT da

miaCniaT, rom umuSevrebi arian. amitom

iTxoven wasvlas da wavidne, visac unda.

_ qalbatono lela, moskovis

mTavrobam mosaxleobas putinis sawinaaRmdego

saprotesto mitingis gamarTvis

ufleba misca, rac aqamde ar

momxdara. amaSi medvedevis xeli unda

Candes...

_ gikvirs? es xom nawinaswarmetyvelebia?

medvedevi aZlierebs Tavis frTas da

yvelanairad cdilobs, daasustos premieris

gundi visac es ar ejera, axla

naxos yvelaferi xilulad.

_ qalbatono lela, saqarTvelo-

Si yvelaferi Zalian gaZvirda. xalxs

ukve ukiduresad uWirs...

_ samwuxarod, kidev aiwevs fasebi

maRla, magram saqarTvelo am gaWirvebas

mainc gadaitans da gavxdebiT erT-erTi

Zlieri qveyana. gaixseneT, ras vambob:

qarTvelebo, cecxlSi gaivliT, magram

fexi ar dagewvebaT.

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