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#32 (216) 18-24.VII.2012 weli gamodis yovel oTxSabaTs www.saertogazeti.net; E-mail: saertogazeti@yahoo.com fasi 1 lari

patara gorma `qarTul

ocnebas~ didi guli aCvena

sinodi orad aris gayofili

_ saakaSvilisa da

ivaniSvilis momxreebad

Tu saakaSvili zRvargadasul

ukanonobebs gaagrZelebs,

xalxi mas Tavad gamoagdebs

avlabris rezidenciidan

biZina ivaniSvili ara imdenad

politikuri figuraa,

ramdenadac saqarTvelos

gadarCenis erTaderTi garanti

Zalian seriozuli

samoqalaqo dapirispirebis

safrTxis winaSe vdgavarT

tatiSvilebis didi ojaxi da

roiali, romelzec genialuri

baraTaSvili ukravda...

dro mova, saakaSvils moskovSi

mis simaRle Zegls daudgamen

warweriT: `Cvens miSas _

madlieri ruseTisgan~


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saerTo gazeTi #32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

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#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi

Zalian urcxvi da

utifari unda iyo,

xelisuflebaSi griSa va-

SaZe da kaxa benduqiZe

gyavdes da ruseTis kacs

biZina ivaniSvils eZaxde.

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eZaxde.

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kodoris xeobas zemo

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iuridiulad gaformebuli

da `notarialurad

damowmebuli~ ruseTs miarTva,

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kaci biZina ivaniSvils

eZaxo.

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an saakaSvilia putinis kaci, an

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dro mova, saakaSvils moskovSi mis

simaRle Zegls daudgamen warweriT:

`Cvens miSas _ madlieri ruseTisgan~

jer is Tqva, afxazeTi

saqarTvelosi arasodes

yofilao, mere ki

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xeli da ruseTis

kaci uwodo.

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jer moskovidan iZleode

direqtivebs, ase da ase

moiqeciTo, mere revolucias

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ivanovi giwevdes maRla,

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biZina ivaniSvils daabralo.

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imsaxurebs.

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gaukeTeben. `Cvens

miSas _ madlieri ruse-

Tisgan~.

yovelive amis Semdeg

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marTlac didi urcxvoba

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raRac ar mecnobao, _ ganacxada

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gundis rvawlian diqtaturas

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politikosi ivaniSvili

is aris, visi wyalobiTac

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rogorc es batoni vanos

SemTxvevaSi moxda.

ai, amas hqvia dawinaureba

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dawinaureba.

rac mets daaSaveb, miT

ufro win waxvalo...

merabiSvilic midis da

midis win da Tu am tempiT

iara, premieri ki ara, SeiZleba,

prezidentic gaxdes.

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4 saerTo gazeTi #32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

redaqtoris

sveti

vaxtang xarCilava

qvasroliebi

danarCen msoflioSi 21-e saukunea,

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velurma tomebmac ki Sewyvites qvis

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iseTi zuzun-Waxani ismoda, gegoneboda,

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moqarguli mantia swored

rom TavisTvis Seakerina da qu-

TaisSi parlamentis Senobac

swored rom TavisTvis aiSena.

daviT qavTaria


#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

saerTo gazeTi

biZina ivaniSvilis

gamosvlis teqsti 15 ivlisis aqciaze, gorSi

gamarjoba, gorelebo!

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yvelas mogesalmebiT. did

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Semkrebi da Semkvrelia.

sityva saqarTveloc xom qarTlidan

modis.

marto ufliscixe, samTavisi,

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imis dasturad, rom aq,

qarTlSi, iqmneboda saqarTvelos

istoria.

Cven dRes gorSi SevikribeT,

didi daviT aRmaSeneblis mier

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oTxi weli gadis, es iara ki ve-

Rar SuSdeba.

am Wrilobas sulis SeberviT

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maT xsovnas...

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- dRes da aq.

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momavalSic Cven mxolod

gzas davulocavT qarTul-osur

ojaxs, romelic yovelTvis bunebrivi

da Cveulebrivi ambavi

iyo aq, am mxareSi. Cven, qarTvelebma

da osebma, erTad unda Sev-

ZloT urTierTobebis aRdgena,

radgan amdeni ram gvakavSirebs

da gvaaxloebs erTmaneTTan. Cven

gamovnaxavT misadgoms Cvens

ZmebTan da debTan - osebTan, Cven

aucileblad aRvadgenT maTTan

urTierTobas.

dRevandeli viTareba SeuZlebelia

didxans gagrZeldes. ar

SeiZleba qarTveli imas Seeguos,

rom Tavisuflad veRar naxavs

qarTuli xuroTmoZRvrebis

Sedevrs - ikorTis taZars, sadac

dakrZaluli arian qarTveli gmirebi

- biZina ColoyaSvili, Salva

da elizbar qsnis erisTavebi.

da es mdgomareoba, aseTi vi-

Tareba agvistos omis Sedegia.

me ar mimaCnia, rom omi saqar-

Tvelom daiwyo. Cven ar gadavsulvarT

ruseTis teritoriaze,

magram versad gaveqceviT imas,

rom saqarTvelos xelisuflebam

qarTuli soflebis dabombvis sapasuxod

wamoiwyo samxedro moqmedebebi

ise, rom ver gaTvala

SesaZlo Sedegebi.

es ar SeiZleba vinmes axarebdes.

xelisuflebis moqmedebebi

im tragikul dReebSi ver uZlebda

veranair kritikas. maRali Ta-

namdebobis pirebi, romlebsac saxelmwifosa

da xalxis bedi abariaT,

sruliad samarcxvinod iqceodnen.

pativi da dideba yvela im

jariskacsa da oficers, vinc

gmirulad ibrZola da sakuTari

sicocxlis fasad icavda samSoblos!

magram uzneobaa, lamis gamarjvebad

gamoacxado omi, romelsac

asze meti soflis okupacia

mohyva.

Cven, yvelam erTad, rac ar

unda mware iyos, simarTle unda

vTqvaT. da roca simarTles ar

gaveqceviT, imasac advilad davinaxavT,

ra gzebiT SeiZleba sasikeTo

cvlilebebis miRweva.

Cven unda SevZloT da movipovoT

Cveni strategiuli partniorebis

- amerikis SeerTebuli

Statebisa da evrokavSiris qveynebis,

aseve saerTaSoriso organizaciebis

ufro qmediTi mxarda-

Wera. aseT mxardaWeras ki, mxolod

maSin mivaRwevT, roca saqarTvelo

realurad daadgeba

demokratiis mSeneblobis gzas.

demokratias Cveni qveynisTvis

sasicocxlo mniSvneloba aqvs da

Cven amas aucileblad davamkvidrebT.

Cven aucileblad daviwyebT

pirdapir dialogs Cvens os Zmeb-

Tan, gamoviyenebT saxalxo diplomatias,

gamovnaxavT saerTo

interesebs da amas daefuZneba

Cveni samomavlo urTierTobebi.

yvelam kargad icis, rogor

kavSirebs adamianebs erTmaneTTan

saqmiani urTierTobebi da saer-

To interesebi. amis magaliTad

ergneTis bazrobac sakmarisia. am

bazrobis wyalobiT wlebis win

qarTvelebma da osebma SeZles

urTierTobis aRdgena, da es ur-

TierToba bunebriv kalapots ubrundeboda.

am adgilze isini ara marto

xvdebodnen erTmaneTs, aramed sa-

erTo biznesSic Caebnen da saqmesac

erTad uZRvebodnen. maSin

maT, qarTvelebma da osebma, Tavidan

aRmoaCines, rom, Turme, erTmaneTi

Zalian sWirdebodaT.

konfliqtis mSvidobian, vimeoreb,

mSvidobian mogvarebaze odnav

mainc rom ezruna, xelisufleba

ase daufiqreblad, ase xelaRebiT

ar daxuravda ergneTis

bazrobas.

ergneTis bazrobis daxurva

Cveni xelisuflebis ugunuri politikis

Sedegia, radgan iq, sadac

rva wlis ganmavlobaSi qar-

Tvelebisa da osebis saerTo savaWro

daxlebi idga da savalu-

to jixurebi muSaobda, axla

rusuli samxedro postia.

am Secdomis gamosworeba marto

Cven SegviZlia. Cven, xelisuflebaSi

mosvlis Semdeg, kanonis

farglebSi, legalurad aRvadgenT

ergneTis bazrobas. Cven

yvelafers guldasmiT gaviTvliT

da yvela risks gaviTvaliswinebT.

Cven migvaCnia, rom am bazrobis

aRdgeniT gamyofi xazis sxvadasxva

mxares mcxovreb adamianebs

Soris ndobis aRdgenac daiwyeba

da urTierTobebic er-

Txel da sabolood dalagdeba.

Cven ara erTxel vTqviT da

aqac xmamaRla ganvacxadeb: saqar-

Tvelos dasavluri orientacia,

integracia evrokavSirsa da natoSi

aris Cveni strategiuli

arCevani, romelsac alternativa

ara aqvs! magram Cven ver avir-

CevT mezoblebs.

Cven, miuxedavad yvelafrisa,

mogviwevs ruseTTan urTierTobis

SedarebiT normalizeba.

vfiqrob, xelisuflebaSi mosvlis

Semdeg, Cven SevZlebT qar-

Tuli produqciis rusul bazarze

dabrunebas.

ruseTis mimarT Cveni pozicia

iqneba koreqtuli, magram principuli.

gansaxvavebiT am xelisuflebisagan,

romelic uprincipoa

da arakoreqtuli.

Cven aucileblad gamovZebniT

saerTo enas afxazebTan da

osebTan. Cven gvaqvs amis resursi,

da es icis xelisuflebam. am

mxriv, Cveni miznebi da amocanebi

mTlianad emTxveva saerTaSoriso

Tanamegobrobis midgomebs.

swored esaa, rom aRizianebs

xelisuflebas da aqedan iRebs

saTaves Cveni koaliciisa da piradad

Cemken momarTuli ciliswamebis

niaRvari.

am dros, xelisufleba arafers

akeTebs imisTvis, rom odnav

mainc gaumjobesdes xalxis

mdgomareoba.

umZimesi mdgomareobaa administraciuli

sazRvris piras, gamyofi

xazis mimdebare soflebSi. iq ise-

Ti viTarebaa Seqmnili, rom SeuZlebeli

xdeba cxovreba, ris gamoc

katastrofuli siswrafiT icleba

soflebi.

bevria iseTi sofeli, romelic

mesaqonleobiT irCenda Tavs.

omis Semdeg am soflebis saZovrebi

gamyofi xazis gadaRma aRmoCnda

da sofeli mTlianad sa-

Zovrebis gareSe darCa. gamyofi

xazis gadaRma aRmoCnda yanebi,

venaxebi da tyec, saidanac omamde

soflis mosaxleoba SeSas

ezideboda.

axla soflebSi aRarc gazia

da aRarc sarwyavi wyali, bevrgan

ukve sasmeli wyalic ki sanatreli

gauxdaT. ai, aseTi gansacdelis

pirispir datova xelisuflebam

Tavisi xalxi. ukiduresi

gaWirveba, daucveloba da

uimedoba - ai, amisTvis aris ganwiruli

dRes es soflebi.

me da Cemi gundi am xalxs

vpirdebiT, rom es usulguloba

male damTavrdeba! am xelisuflebis

pirobebSi konfliqtis

mogvarebas piri ar uCans. kargad

gvesmis, rom am problemas erTi

xelis mosmiT verc Cven gadavwyvetT.

magram imas namdvilad gpirdebiT,

rom gamovnaxavT saerTo enas

osur mxaresTan da soflebSi

sarwyav wyals davabrunebT, Cven

am gausaZlis yofas SegimsubuqebT,

uyuradRebod ar darCeba

arc erTi sofeli, arc erTi ojaxi,

yvelas satkivars gaviziarebT

da yvela sakiTxs SeZlebisdagvarad

movagvarebT.

omis umZimesi Sedegia is, rom

saqarTvelos aTasobiT moqalaqe

sakuTari saxlidan aiyara da Tavissave

samSobloSi devnilad iqca.

erTi SexedviT, TiTqos xelisuflebam

izruna maTze, amisaTvis

specialuri kotejebic ki

daudga, magram ra pirobebSi

uwevT Cvens Tanamemamuleebs

cxovreba, yvelam kargad viciT.

ufro metic - rac yvelaze

metad aRmaSfoTebelia - devnil-

TaTvis kotejebis an fuladi

daxmarebebis gamoyofam Tavidanve

politikuri korufciis saxe miiRo

- xelisufleba ganawilebisas

xelmZRvanelobs mxolod politikuri

loialurobis niSniT!

xSirad devnilebs iZulebiT

asaxleben soflebSi, sadac ar

aris cxovrebisa da saqmianobis

met-naklebad normaluri pirobebi,

aTasobiT devnili kuTvnili

statusis miniWebas dRemde

elodeba, konfliqtis zonebsa

da mis mimdebare sasazRvro

velSi bevrma dakarga

socialuri SeRavaTebi.

erTma devnilma „qarTuli

ocnebis“ baraTSi Cawera:

Cemi ocnebaa, imdeni qula

davagrovo, rom siRaribis

Semweoba miviRoo.

ai, esaa Cveni mware simarTle,

da Cven mas Tvals

gavusworebT, amas gpirdebT!

es unda damTavrdes,

xalxo! Cveni xalxis aseTi

uRirsebo yofa unda dam-

Tavrdes da me yvelafers

gavakeTeb amisaTvis!

sityvas vaZlev Cvens devnilebs,

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis-

Tanave yvelas daukanondeba is

farTobebi, romlebSic axla

cxovroben, raTa maT saSualeba

hqondeT, dagegmon sakuTari

cxovreba da momavali, vidre

droebiT dakargul saxl–kars

daubrundebian.

Cven yvela pirobas SevuqmniT

maT, rom Rirseulad SeZlon

cxovreba, aRar iyvnen xelisuflebis

Semweobasa da mowyalebaze

damokidebuli.

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veRarasodes veravin gabedavs,

rom maT gareSe maTi bedi

gadawyvitos! veRaravin gabedavs

damcirebiT, SeuracxyofiT da

cema-tyepiT maT dawiokebas da

Ramis saTevad Ria cis qveS gayras,

rogorc es ara erTxel momxdara.

Cven amas ar davuSvebT!

amis sityvas me gaZlevT!

xalxis mimarT gulgriloba,

cinizmi da daundobloba am xelisuflebis

xelwerad iqca. yvelas

gvaxsovs, rogor daamcira

da abuCad aigdo xelisuflebam

Cveni veteranebi - is xalxi,

romlebmac, roca samSoblos

uWirda, mis dasacavad Tavi gadades.

roca veteranebma ukiduresi

gaWirveba da saxelmwifos mxridan

sruli uyuradReboba quCaSi

gaaprotestes, xelisuflebam,

TiTqos sagangebod, samagaliTod,

yvelas Tvalwin, isini Seuracxyo

da daamcira.

ai, aseT magaliTs aZlevs es

xelisfuleba axalgazrda Taobas.

maSin roca, Rirsebis mqone

saxelmwifo gansakuTrebuli pativiscemiT

eqceva Tavis veteranebs,

amave suliskveTebiT zrdis

is Tavis momaval Taobas da amiT

uCens samSoblosadmi erTgulebisa

da Tavdadebis gancdas.

me da Cemi gundi gpirdebiT,

rom saxelmwifo gansakuTrebul

yuradRebas gamoiCens veteranebis

mimarT, iqneba is meore msoflio

omis, afxazeTis Tu agvistos

omis monawile, maTi Rvawli dafasdeba,

dawesdeba socialuri

SeRavaTebi da maT Rirseulad

cxovrebis saSualeba miecemaT.

veteranTa garda, gpirdebiT,

Cven uyuradRebod ar davtovebT

sxva specifikur jgufebsac,

romlebic dRes xelisuflebisgan

mitovebuli arian: I da II

jgufis SezRuduli SesaZleblobebis

mqone pirebs, marCenaldakargulebs,politrepresirebulebs

da Cernobilis dazarebulebs.

Cven ar davuSvebT 2005 wels

Zalovani uwyebebidan daTxovnili

mosamsaxureebis diskriminacias,

maTi pensiebi gadaangariSdeba

dRes moqmedi normativebis

mixedviT.

me Tqven gpirdebiT, rom veRaravin

gamoiyenebs Cveni xalxis

damsjelad policias, romelic

amave xalxis sisxli da xorcia.

swored amitom, aqve unda mivmar-

To Cvens policielebs: me bevrjer

aRvniSne, rom Cveni policielebis

umravlesoba wesieri adamiania,

romlebic uangarod da

patiosnad emsaxurebian Tavis

samSoblos da xalxs.

rogorc Cans, saakaSvili SeaSfoTa

Cemma sityvebma da ramdenime

dRis win policielebs mi-

nistrad dauniSna sisastikiT

cnobili axalaia da ase cdilobs

daTrgunos da daaSinos

ara marto mosaxleoba, aramed

policielebic.

daakvirdiT, xalxo, da naxavT,

rom saakaSvilis es nabiji

SeSinebuli kacis gadawyvetilebaa.

rogorc Cans, mas kidev ufro

mkacri xeli sWirdeba Tavisi

Zalauflebis SesanarCuneblad,

mas arCevnebisTvis sWirdeba zon-

derbrigadebi, romelTa marTvi-

Tac axalaia aris ganTqmuli.

mogmarTavT Tqven, Cveno saamayo

policielebo! nurafris SegeSindebaT!

es yvelaferi male

warsuls Cabardeba, cotac unda

gavuZloT, yvelam erTad! Cven

ver gvajobeben!

Tu Tqven ar SeasrulebT ukanono

brZanebebs, kanoni Tqven

mxares iqneba, da ara marto kanoni,

samarTlianoba iqneba Tqvenken.

da maSin gaxsovdeT, ase veravin

dagjabniT, Tqven ver mogerevaT

verc erTi kriminali Tanamdebobis

piri.

ideqiT xalxis samsaxurSi,

daicaviT igi, Tqven xom sicocxlesac

ar daiSurebT misTvis!

Tqven amas aucileblad dagifasebT

Cveni xalxi! Cven gvaxsovs

da gvemaxsovreba is Tavganwirva,

romelic 23 wlis win, 9 aprils

gamoiCina maSindelma policiam,

roca xalxs gadaefara, raTa jalaTebisgan

daecva igi.

swored amis eSinia saakaSvils

cecxliviT, eSinia imis,

rom, Tu saqme saqmeze midgeba,

policia kvlav xalxs daicavs.

ratomRac merabiSvilsac ki ar

endo saakaSvili, Sinagan saqmeTa

saministros CamoaSora da premierad

gadaiyvana.

Tumca, arc merabiSvils dauxevia

ukan saakaSvilis ara erTi

ukanono brZanebis Sesrulebaze.

mis saxels ukavSirdeba is gansakuTrebuli

sisastike, romelic

gamoiCines Zalovanma struqturebma

7 noembersa da 26 maiss,

merabiSvili verc quCaSi daxvretili

biWebis saqmeebs Camoirecxavs.

axalma premier-ministrma

zarzeimiT warmogvidgina mTavrobis

programa. es programa sxva

araferia, Tu ara politikuri

plagiati - Cveni programebis

miTvisebis mcdeloba.

Cvens Soris erTi seriozuli

gansxvavebaa. Cven dapirebebs

tyuilad ar viZleviT, kargad

gaTvlili da gaangariSebuli

gvaqvs yvelaferi.

merabiSvilis cifrebi ki

mxolod amomrCvelTa yurisTvis

aris gankuTvnili da maTi gulis

mosagebad aris naTqvami. Tumca,

isini tyuilebSic Tavis siZunwes

ver erevian! jer rixiT acxadeben

1000-larian daxmarebas da

Semdeg sasxvaTaSorisod daayoleben,

rom es 4 welze gaTvli-

li Tanxaa erTi ojaxisTvis. da

ra gamodis? ras hpirdebian sinamdvileSi

xalxs – erT ojaxs

weliwadSi 250 lars, anu TveSi

20 lars.

xalxis mosatyueblad isic

ki ikadres, rom dasaqmebis saministro

Seqmnes. saministros

SeqmniT rom samuSao adgilebi

ar iqmneba, es maT zustad ician.

samuSao adgilebs biznesi qmnis,

jansaRi biznesgaremo, arada,

swored es mospo saakaSvilma da

misma xelisuflebam, ramac xalxis

gaRatakeba gamoiwvia.

yvelas gvaxsovs xelisuflebiseuli

dasaqmebis kampaniebi. vi-

Tom umuSevrobis sakompensaciod

darigebuli fuli, telekamerebis

win sxvadasxva sawarmoSi vi-

Tom dasaqmebisTvis prezidentis

mier miyvanili umuSevrebi, gvaxsovs

lentebis gauTavebeli Wra

jerararsebuli sawarmoebisa da

daumTavrebeli saavadmyofoebis

fonze.

Sedegad miviReT siRatakis

zRvars qvemoT oficialurad daregistrirebuli

milionamde moqalaqe

da TiTqmis amdenive adamiani,

romelic RatakisaTvis gansazRvrul

Semweobas elodeba.

xelisuflebam mSvenivrad

icis, sadamde miiyvana qveyana da

xalxi, da imis magivrad, rom realurad

rame Secvalos, isev xalisTvis

TvalSi nacris Seyra

gadawyvita.

qarTveli xalxi didxans

atyues, gaaRatakes da axla, ra

STambeWdavi cifrebic ar unda

daasaxelon, Cveni xalxi aRar

motyuvdeba. eseni Cvens xalxs ar

icnoben! Cvenma xalxma bevri moiTmina,

bevric apatia, magram

moTmena da patieba am xelisuflebam

mas sibriyved CauTvala da

axlac fiqrobs, rom advilad daimorCilebs.

xalxis gabriyveba aRar gamouvaT!

es damTavrdeba, da amas

Cven aucileblad davamTavrebT!

axla calkeul gasaWirs rogor

moevleba, imas getyviT patiosnad.

Tqven, pirvel rigSi,

patiosnebas imsaxurebT. qarTlelebo,

Tqven xom mxolod brZolisTvis

ar gaCenilxarT, Tqven

Sromisa da saqmianobisTvis, Zmobisa

da megobrobisTvis unda

gecxovraT, da icxovrebT kidec,

gpirdebiT!

Cven yvelaferi zedmiwevniT

daTvlili da daangariSebuli

gvaqvs.

Cven vacxadebT, rom Zlieri

sofeli Zlieri qveynis safuZvelia.

„qarTul ocnebas“ dagegmili

aqvs, aaRorZinos qarTuli

sofeli da amisaTvis Seqmnas

erTmiliardiani fondi. am fondis

daxmarebiT soflis meurneobaSi

dasaqmebuli moqalaqeebi

SeZleben grZelvadiani, xelmisawvdomi

da SeRavaTiani sesxebis

aRebas da am fuliT sargeblobas.

qarTlSi mexileobis aRorZinebas

gansakuTrebuli mniSvnelo-

ba aqvs. Tumca, mexileobis aRor-

Zineba warmoudgenelia gasaRebis

bazrebis gareSe. Cveni xelisuflebis

ugunurobam glexi tradiciuli

bazrebis gareSe datova

da, samwuxarod, verc axali bazrebis

gamonaxva moxerxda.

Cven aucileblad vizrunebT

da gamovnaxavT bazars da glexs

gausaRebeli mosavali aRar dar-

Ceba. saqarTveloSi warmoebuli

ekologiurad sufTa xili da

bostneuli did Semosavals moutans

glexs, fermers da mTel

qveyanas. Cven amas gpirdebiT!

soflis meurneobis aRorZineba

ver moxdeba kvebis mrewvelobisa

da gadammuSavebeli sawarmoebis

gareSe. Cven xels SevuwyobT

mcire da saSualo sawarmoebis

Seqmnas. Cven aRar viqnebiT

damokidebuli ucxoeTidan

Semotanil produqtze.

bazarSi kvlav dabrundeba

iafi da amave dros xarisxiani

adgilobrivi bostneuli, xili,

xorci. sabolood, ki soflis

ganviTareba saqarTvelos keTildReobas

Cauyris safuZvels.

me, biZina ivaniSvili, sityvas

gaZlevT, rom yvela sofels da

TiToeul ojaxs keTildReobis

gzaze davayeneb.

Cveni gegma Tavidanve iTvaliswinebs

imas, rom unda Seiqmnas

realuri samuSao adgilebi,

aseTi samuSao adgilebis raodenoba

aTeulobiT aTasi iqneba.

me gpirdebiT, rom gauqmdeba

monopoliuri biznesi, biznesisaTvis

dawesdeba SeRvaTebi,

usafrTxo garemo eqnebaT ucxoel

investorebs, rac xels Seuwyobs

samuSao adgilebis Seqmnas.

amave dros, rac gansakuTebiT

mniSvnelovania, Cven davadgenT

saarsebo minimumis axal, realur

zRvars. cxadia, es zRvari aRar

iqneba damamcirebeli. pensia ar

iqneba imaze naklebi, vidre saarsebo

minimumia.

aRarc erT ojaxs aRar gau-

Wirdeba SvilebisTvis saxelmZRvaneloebis

SeZena, da aRarc bav-

Svebs dasWirdebaT sxva soflis

skolaSi misasvlelad yoveldRiuri

momqancveli gzis gavla. yovel

sofels Tavisi skola eqneba.

maswavlebeli iamayebs Tavisi

profesiiT, radgan materialuradac

saTanadod iqneba misi Sroma

dafasebuli da realuri profesiuli

gadamzadebac misTvis Tavisuflad

xelmisawvdomi gaxdeba.

gorelebo, qarTlelebo, ganaTlebis

ai, aseT reformas

gpirdebaT „qarTuli ocneba“!

magram, arc es kmara, raTa

mSvidad icxovroT. Tqveni janmr-

Telobis dacvaze zrunva mTavaria

CvenTvis, Cveni „qarTuli

ocnebisTvis“. jandacvis saqme

rom 20 welze metia, samwuxarod,

sul ukan-ukan midis, yvelam

kargad iciT. am xelisuflebam

viTom axali saavadmyofoebi

aaSena, magram iq misvla da mkurnaloba

ise Zviri Rirs, patiosan

kacs saxl-karis fasad ujdeba.

operacia da wamlebic ise

gaZvirda, rom Cveulebrivi adamianisTvis

miuwvdomelia. amitom

avadmyofoba Cveni mosaxleobisTvis,

gansakuTrebiT ki pensionerebisa

da gaWirvebuli adamianebis-

Tvis, xSirad, sasikvdilo ganaCenia.

es unda Sewydes!

„qarTuli ocneba“ bolos mouRebs

am usulgulobas! yvelas

eqneba – yovel Tqvengans – samedicino

dazRveva, gpirdebiT

amas!

Cven jansaRi, ganaTlebuli,

mSromeli, RirsebiT savse da amayi

xalxis xelisufleba unda

viyoT. Cven mivaRwevT amas, Cven -

yvelani erTad!

Cvens xelisuflebas ecodineba

da arasdros daaviwydeba

adamianis fasi, ecodineba, rom

yovel Tqvengans, yovel adamians

Tvalis CiniviT unda gaufrxildes!

Cven yvela dapirebas SevasrulebT,

amis sityvas me gaZlevT!

es xelisufleba rom damTavrdeba,

mis Zalauflebas rom bolo

eReba, amas ukve Tavad saakaSvilic

kargad xedavs da

grZnobs, radgan misi bolodroindeli

moqmedebebi Cemi da Cemi

gundis winaaRmdeg, mxolod gonebaareuli

kacis nafiqrali SeiZleba

iyos. saxelmwifos meTaurebi

ase ar iqcevian!

is sanqciebi, romlebsac saakaSvili

Cem winaaRmdeg axorcielebs,

yaCaRobaa, xalxo! mas ar

enaRvleba arc kanoni, arc samar-

Tali, arc sazogadoebis ganwyoba,

da, rac gansakuTrebiT Tval-

Sisacemia, aRarc dasavleli partniorebis

azri ainteresebs, rasac

amden xans met-naklebad mainc

uwevda angariSs.

„qarTu jgufis“ dayadaRebiT

da qonebis gayidviT saakaSvilma

mTels saerTaSoriso sazogadoebas

daanaxa, rogor ebrZvis

politikur oponents.

am bankis CamorTmeva verafers

avnebs Cems kapitals. „banki

qarTu“ investiciaa, es is

proeqtia, romelic me Cemi

samSoblosa da xalxis

xelSewyobisaTvis ganvaxorciele.

es banki me Cemi

mogebisTvis ar gamixsnia!

dRes sxvadasxva bankis

sesxis gamo asobiT aTas

Cvens Tanamemamules siRatake

da saxlebidan gamoyra

emuqreba. Cven vswavlobT

am problemas da

aucileblad gamovnaxavT

iseT gamosavals, rom am

xalxs davexmaroT da arc

sabanko sistema davazianoT.

am meTodebiT Cemi damarcxeba

SeuZlebelia, Cveni damarcxeba

SeuZlebelia, radgan Cvens mxares

aris kanoni da samarTali,

romelsac mTeli civilizebuli

samyaro aRiarebs.

saakaSvils yvela Tavisnairi

hgonia, swored amitom fiqrobs,

rom politikosis mTavari kapitali

fulia. Cemi kapitali, romelic

dRiTi dRe sul ufro izrdeba,

Tqveni ndobaa, romelic me

Cemma xalxma gamomicxada, Cemi

ocnebis xalxma, anu Tqven.

swored am brZolaSi aucileblad

damarcxdeba saakaSvili.

Cven gavimarjvebT da samarTlianoba

aRdgeba. ar gamouvaT araferi,

verafers dagvakleben!

CemTan brZolisTvis, CvenTan

brZolisTvis, sakuTar xalxTan


#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi

brZolisTvis ukan aRaraferze ixeven.

saakaSvilma dahyo qarTuli

sazogadoeba, mas hyavs Tavisi Jurnalistebi,

Tavisi msaxiobebi, re-

Jisorebi, maswavleblebi. sazogadoeba

dayo asakis mixedviT, enis

codnis mixedviT da iseT sfero-

Sic ki SeiWra da iqac ki gaxliCa

adamianebi, rogoricaa sporti, sadac

gunduroba warmatebis sawindaria.

man saqarTveloSi sportis politizeba

SeZlo. es ki imas niSnavs,

rom Cvens qveyanaSi, wesiT,

saamayo da sanimuSo sportsmens

mTavroba ara sportuli miRwevebis,

aramed xelisuflebisadmi

yurmoWrili morCilebis mixedviT

afasebs. es sportsmenis gadagvarebas

niSnavs.

cnobilia, rom politikuri

oponentebisa da xelisuflebiT

ukmayofilo moqalaqeebis dasaSineblad,

dasaCagravad da dasasjelad

swored jan-RoniT gamorCeuli

sportsmenebisgan qmnian samarcxvino

razmebs.

Tanac, isic cnobilia, rom es

razmebi daundoblad swored xelisuflebis

mimarT kritikulad

ganwyobil sportsmenebs uswordebian.

rasac ar unda hpirdebodes

Tavis morCil sportsmenebs es xelisufleba,

Cven maT mxolod samarTlian

kanons vpirdebiT, da

araviTar SemTxvevaSi - SurisZiebas!

Cemo Zmebo, Cemo Svilebo! nu

CaidenT upatiebel danaSauls. samarcxvinoa,

rom 21-e saukuneSi

saqarTvelos xelisuflebam Seqmna

jgufebi, romlebsac xalxma fa-

Sisturi specdaniSnulebis qvedanayofis

saxeli - „zonderbrigadebi“

Searqva. kidev ufro samarcxvinoa

is, rom maTi xelmZRvaneli

saqarTvelos parlamentis wevria.

Cven gavaTavisuflebT am qveyanas

am samarcxvino senisagan, Cven

movspobT dapirispirebas sazogadoebaSi,

aravis moeTxoveba xelisuflebis

erTguleba, yvelani Cveni

samSoblos, saqarTvelos erTguli

unda viyoT! es iqneba Cveni

qveynis ganviTarebis gza, es aris

gza civilizaciisaken!

Cven erTxel da samudamod davamTavrebT

dapirispirebas, qveyana

aRar iqneba dayofili xelisuflebis

utex momxreebad da Seupovar

mowinaaRmdegeebad.

Cven saerTo qveyanas avaSenebT,

sadac cxared, magram civilizebulad

vikamaTebT qveynisaTvis sa-

Wirboroto sakiTxebze, magram

aRarasodes, aRarasodes davupirispirdebiT

erTmaneTs ZaliT,

aRarasodes gavaxarebT saqarTvelos

danawevrebisa da SinaaSlilobis

mosurnes!

Semodgomaze arCevnebze gelodebiT,

patiosani arCevani gavake-

ToT da Cvenc davrwmundeT da

mTel msofliosac vaCvenoT, rom

civilizebuli samyaros Rirseuli

wevri varT!

Cven gavimarjvebT, saqarTvelo

gaimarjvebs, Cveni xalxi, Cveni

qarTuli ocneba gaimarjvebs!

me gpirdebiT, rom TqvenTan

erTad vibrZoleb da arCevnebiT

SevcvliT am xelisuflebas!

am brZolaSi Cven erTmaneTs

vWirdebiT! mxolod erTad dgomiT

movigebT am brZolas!

Cven gvwams da mtkiced gvjera,

rom gavimarjvebT arCevnebSi,

qarTveli xalxi gaimarjvebs, saqarTvelo

gaimarjvebs, Cven er-

Tad SevqmniT ukeTes momavals da

erTad avisrulebT qarTul ocnebas!

patara gorma `qarTul

ocnebas~ didi guli uCvena

15 ivliss, gorSi biZina ivaniSvilis

Sida qarTlis mosaxleobasTan Sexvedram

mSvidobianad, yovelgvari dapirispirebis

gareSe Caiara. ase rom, Cemi goreli nacnobebis

naTqvami, is konfliqtebi, romelic

mereTSi, niqozsa da karaleTSi moxda,

xelisuflebis mier iyo inspirirebuli,

Sida qarTlis mosaxleoba Zalze dadebiTad

aris ganwyobili biZina ivaniSvilisa

da koalicia `qarTuli ocnebis~ mimarTo,

simarTle aRmoCnda. gorSi naSuadRevs

Cavdivar, `kombinatis dasaxleba-

Si~, klubis win xalxi naklebad mxvdeba,

Tumca Cemi goreli maspinZeli, `qarTuli

ocnebis~ wevri medea maxaraSvili mamSvidebs,

rom miuxedavad daSinebisa, xalxi

aucileblad gamova. aqciis dawyebisas moedani

mTlianad Seivso, magram xalxis mateba

ar Sewyvetila.

medea maxaraSvili: `biZina ivaniSvils

Sida qarTlSi da maT Soris goris

raionSic, uamravi mxardamWeri hyavs,

radgan yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT,

roca man qveynis prioritetebi CamoTvala,

pirvel rigSi soflis meurneobis

aRorZineba axsena. qarTuli sofeli qveynis

xerxemalia da is Tu welgamarTulia,

qveyanac Zlieria. SeiZleba soflebSi baton

biZinasTan Sesaxvedrad

bevri xalxi

ver gamovida, magram

es informaciuli vakuumis,

xalxis daSinebisa

da fsiqologiuri

teroris bralia.

21-e saukuneSi, demokratiulobazepretenziis

mqone qveyanaSi

aseTi ram ar unda xdebodes. kaxi kala-

Zes rogorc moeqcnen, samarcxvinoa. CemTvis

saSineleba iyo samTavrobo telearxebze

imis mosmena, rom TiTqos kaxi kalaZis

zonderjgufs karaleTis mosaxleobis

dawiokeba undoda, amisTana sicrues

rogor kadruloben. mTeli gori imas

laparakobs, rom `qarTuli ocnebis~ wevrebs

iq badri basiSvilis zonderebi daxvdnen.

iq karaleTelebi ar yofilan, ar

gamovricxav, rom isini devnilTa CasaxlebaSi

mcxovrebi xelisuflebis momxreebisgan

dageSili xalxi iyo. qalebis aqtiuroba

gamoikveTa, TvalSi sacemia ma-

RalCinosnebis, ramdenad Seeferebian isini

TavianTi niWiTa da inteleqtiT am

postebs sxva sakiTxia, ojaxisa Tu klanis

wevri mandilosnebis aqtiuroba. es

zondersidedrebi, colebi Tu colisdebi

gaSmagebuli Zu lomebiviT iweven gansxvavebuli

azris mqone adamianebze.

- xelisufleba iseT suraTs xatavs

TiTqos regionis mosaxleoba da devnilebi

mxolod `nacmoZraobas~ uWeren mxars.

riT daimsaxures maT aseTi pativi?

- romel mxardaWraze melaparakebiT.

xalxs omis win kreditebi hqonda gamotanili,

veRar ixdian, magram maTze aranairi

SeRavaTi ar gavrcelda, amitom

uamrav ojaxs emuqreba Ria cis qveS dar-

Cena. ruseTis bazris daketvis mere xili

da bostneulis realizeba ver xerxdeba,

xalxs mosavali ulpeba, arada maT

atmisa da vaSlis baRebis movla cecxlis

fasi ujdebaT. glexebi tirian da

amis Semdeg rogor SeiZleba normalurma

adamianma ifiqros, isini xelisuflebis

momxreebi ariano. biZina ivaniSvils

soflis meurneobaSi miliardiani Tanxis

Cadeba rom undoda, am xelisuflebam

uari uTxra, axla gaxda maTTvis es dargi

prioritetuli? rac SeexebaT devnilebs,

Cems saxlTan axlos maTi kompaqturi

Casaxlebaa, ori Tvis win mexuTe

sarTulidan gadmoxta devnili qalbatoni,

gvarad beruaSvili da gardaicvala.

mas gausaZlisma pirobebma ubiZga am tragikuli

nabijisken, Tumca xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebma mizezi ase axsnes, Zmis

gardacvalebis gamo mZime sulieri stresi

miiRo da imitom gadmoxtao. naCqarevad

aSenebul kotejebSi Weridan wyali

Camodis, kedlebi da iataki ise dalpa,

rom qvewarmavlebi Tavisuflad amodian.

bednieri viyavi, roca sofel fermaSi

gaxsnil qarTul baga-baRs (am soflis

mcxovrebTa 90% azerbaijanelia) iakob

gogebaSvilis saxeli uwodes. am baga-ba-

Ris bazaze qarTuli skolac unda dafuZnebuliyo.

axla sadac sapatrulo policiis

SuSis Senobaa, komunistebis dros

leninis Zegli idga. misi aRebis Semdeg,

mravali weli ido warweriani qva, aq

aRimarTeba iakob gogebaSvilis Zeglio,

magram, rogorc mixeil saakaSvili ityoda,

nuras ukacravad, gasul wels uceb

wamoWimes patrulis Senoba, deda enis

Semqmneli aravis gaxsenebia. policiis Senobac

aucilebelia, magram maincdamainc

aq unda daedgaT? am Senobis mopirdapired

macxovris aRdgomis taZari unda

aSenebuliyo, Tumca mxolod saZirkveli

da liTonis raRac konstruqciebia, vanos

`gamWvirvale~ policias ki, romlebsac

patimrebi jurRmulebs uwodeben, uceb

aSeneben. imedi maqvs, rom RvTis wyalobiT,

axali xelisuflebis mosvlis Semdgom

taZari male aSendeba~

Sav tansacmelSi Cacmul axalgazrda

qalTan mivdivar. is goreli marina qarelia,

romelsac agvistos omis dros 14

wlis vaJi daeRupa.

marina qareli: `omis dros Cem

saxls bombi daeca da Cemi ufrosi vaJi

Seiwira. Cems gogonas saxe aqvs damwvari,

is saxlis nangrevbSi moyva, Zlivs amoiyvanes.

mas mkurnaloba sWirdeba, magram

sad maqvs amis fuli, Cem ojaxs Zalze

uWirs. me TviTon patimari viyavi, 2006

wels jarTis mogrovebis gamo damiWires

da oTxi weli momisajes, Tumca 2008-Si

gamaTavisufles. saxli viTom aRmidgines,

magram sacxovreblad ar varga, kedlebi

sul dabzarulia. Cemi qmari cxinvalidan,

ufro zustad mamisaanT ubnidanaa, miuxedavad

imisa, rom devnilia, koteji mainc

ar misces. mTavrobas bolomde ver gavlanZRav,

radgan Cems Svils TveSi 200

lars uricxaven, Tumca es Tanxa Cvens

ojaxs ar yofnis. rogor viqnebi am xelisuflebis

mxardamWeri, ra gaakeTes

qveynisTvis, an dRevandeli cxovrebiT

rogor unda viyo kmayofili, roca ase

gviWirs. Cemi meore vaJi 14 wlisaa, isic

jarTze muSaobs, rom

avadmyof das wamlis

da saWmlis fuli moutanos.

xval SeiZleba

isic daiWiron. imxela

tragedia gadavitane,

saxlidan TiTqmis

ar gamovdivar~.

lali farexelaSvili

goris raionis

sofel saTemodanaa.

absurduli mizeziT

2008 wels isic daiWira saakaSvilis policiam,

Tumca bolos etyoba mixvdnen

TavianTi saqcielis uazrobas da imave

wlis bolos amnistiiT gaaTavisufles.

lali farexelaSvili: `Cven sofelSic

iyvnen `qarTuli ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebi,

nineli WankvetaZe, Temo xubuluri,

aseve ocnebis axalgazrduli

organizaciis warmomadgenlebi Camosuli.

miuxedavad imisa, rom gvaSinebdnen, mainc

mivediT maTTan Sesaxvedrad. rogorc ki

xma gavrcelda maTi Camosvlis Sesaxeb,

nacionalebma TavianT dampal koordinatorebs

fuli dauriges da ramdenime

ojaxi moisyides, seriozuli Tanxebi dauriges

es Sexvedra rom CaeSalaT. Cemi

mezobeli murad farexelaSvili da misi

uzneo colic moisyides. swored am

ojaxma damaWerina, TviTon mcemes da mere

aqeT miCivles. muradi omis dros rusebisganac

iRebda saCuqrebs, egona rusebi

gaimarjvebdnen, magram, rogorc ki rusebi

wavidnen, isev nacionalebTan gadabargda.

misma colma, marina arCuaZem Tavisi

zneobis daqalebi Semoikriba, Zalian

undodaT aqciis CaSla, magram wesieri

xalxi medgrad davdeqiT da yvelaferma

kargad Caiara. stumrebma naxes dangreuli

gzebi da sabavSvo

baRi, ganadgurebuli

xalxi, mouvleli ba-

Rebi, radgan wamals

ver vyidulobT. mosavali

sardafebSi

gvilpeba, radgan realizacias

ver vaxdenT.

es yvelaferi

vuTxariT am xalxs.

rom amboben biZina ivaniSvili rusebis kacia,

maTi Semoyvana da Cveni aoxreba undao,

aravis gvjera. piriqiT, batoni biZina

patriotia, Cveni gadarCena unda. saakaSvili

da misi banda, es yaCaRebi da

virTxebi anadgureben qarTvel ers, genocids

gviwyoben. ori Tvis win Cemma Tanasoflelma

qalma, xuTi Svilis dedam,

romelic fexmZimed iyo, muceli moiSala.

es qalbatoni 5 Tvis fexmZime iyo, magram

saarsebo wyaro rom ar gaaCnda, dangreul

saxlSi cxovroben da aravin exmareba,

imitom moiqca ase. sikvdils saswaulad

gadaurCa. yvela normaluri adamia-

8 gv.

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8 saerTo gazeTi #32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

7 gv.

ni, Tu is mosyiduli ar aris, mxars

uWers biZina ivaniSvilsa da `qarTul

ocnebas~, mas vuyurebT imediT, radgan

is Tu gadaarCens saqarTvelosa da qar-

Tvel ers~.

giorgi abazaSvili (gori):

`mSvidoba da siwynare minda. darwmunebuli

var, karaleTSi rac moxda, es xelisuflebis

mowyobili iyo. biZina ivaniSvilis

ocneba, Cemi

da Cemi ojaxis ocnebacaa,

imitomac movedi

aq, es xalxic imitom

gamovida. rom amboben

omis dros sad

iyo biZina ivaniSvilio,

imas ratom ar

kiTxuloben es xelisufleba

da TviTon

sad iyvnen. gamoCnda adamiani, romelic

marTla mogvitans sikeTes, amitomac

bolomde davdgebiT mis gverdiT. erTic

minda vTqva am mTavrobis gasagonad,

ruseTTan urTierTobis mosurneoba salanZRavi

nu hgoniaT, radgan ruseTTan

urTierTobis aRdgenis da keTilmezoblobis

msurvelebi varT yvela~.

xalxSi cnobil advokat mamuka nozaZes

vamCnev. mamuka gorelia, cxadia,

yvelas kargad icnobs, ramdenime nasvam

mamakacze maniSnebs, eseni xelisuflebasTan

daaxloebulebi arian da ar

aris gamoricxuli, provokaciis mosawyobad

yavdeT Semogzavnilio.

mamuka nozaZe: `am Sexvedrebis

dros zonderbrigadis wevrebs specialurad

aTroben, Cxubi da ayalmayali

rom gamoiwvion. uamravia

aq aseTi, romlebic

axla daZrwian

da qmedebaze

etyobaT provokaciisTvis

emzadebian.

rac Seexeba aqciaze

mosul xalxs, gorelebic

arian, magram

imdeni ara, ramdenic

unda iyvnen. mec viyavi `qarTuli ocnebis~

wevri, marTalia axla aRar var,

magram Cemi protestis dasafiqsireblad

movedi, imasTan dakavSirebiT, rac

devnilebis dasaxlebaSi moxda. ratom-

Rac amboben karaleTSi moxdao, es ar

ar iyo karaleTi, goris SesasvlelSi

mdebare devnilebis dasaxlebaa da ratom

xdeba sazogadoebis aseTi araswori

informireba, CemTvis gaurkvevelia.

yovlad miuRebelia, rac iq moxda.

sxvaTa Soris patriarqmac brZana Tavis

qadagebaSi, rom aravin unda gabedos

qvebis srola, yvelas unda hqondes Tavisi

poziciis dafiqsirebis saSualeba,

vinc undaT is kandidati airCion,

oRond Rirseuli da ara viRacis saxels

amofarebuli. vaprotesteb im Zaladobas

da ukanonobas, rasac xelisuflebis

momxre, degradirebuli,

fulze gayiduli adamianebi akeTeben.

21-e saukuneSi aseTi Zaladoba ar unda

xdebodes, Tu ar undaT mosmena, visac

undaT imas miscen xma, aravin arafers

aZalebs. ase rom, im Zaladobis,

umsgavsobis, ukanonobis da danaSaulebrivi

qmedebebis winaaRmdeg protestis

dasafiqsireblad movedi, rac winasaarCevno

periodSi xdeba saqarTveloSi.

yvela normalurad moazrovne

adamiani aq unda iyos, Tumca yvelaze

mniSvnelovani gorelebis aq yofnaa,

radgan am protestis dafiqsireba, goris

mxridanac unda iyos.

mamuka eraZe, `qarTuli ocnebis~

wevri: `Cvenma e.w. prezidentma Cveni

Taobac ~Cagvrecxa~ da miwasTan gagvaswora.

me yofili policieli var, 1992

wlidan arc omi dagvklebia, arc teraqtebi

da sxva ubedureba, saakaSvil-

patara gorma `qarTul

ocnebas~ didi guli uCvena

ma ki viTomc araferi, mosvlisTanave

yvela quCaSi mogvisrola. batoni biZina

ki gveubneba, es dResac gaimeora,

rom Cvens qveyanas kidev gamoadgebiTo.

me imasTan mival, vinc Tvlis rom gamovadgebi.

apolitikuri pirovneba var,

magram biZina ivaniSvilSi vxedav sike-

Tis mkeTebel kacs. batoni biZinas yvela

gamonaTqvams Casafrebulis poziciidan

rom ikvleven, am xelisuflebas

givi TargamaZis gamonaTqvami ratom ar

axsovs, romelic protestis gamomxatvel

qarTvelebs, sulis amoxdiT gvemuqreboda

da naZirlebs gveZaxda. ai,

es aris nacmoZraobis namdvili saxe.

eseni Tu kidev darCnen xelisufleba-

Si, marTla amoxdian suls mTel saqarTvelos.

TviTon Tu daaviwydaT Cven

kargad gvaxsovs maTi winasaarCevno dapirebebi,

romeli Seasrules? maTi dapirebebi

haerSi gasrolili sityvebia.

biZina ivaniSvili dapirebebis gareSe

eweoda amxela qvelmoqmedebas, sityvis

kacia, romelsac

sikeTe unda saqar-

TvelosTvis da

imitomac gvjera

misi. yvelam Tavis

gulSi Caixedos,

rogor SeiZleba

samebis amSenebeli

kaci, qveynisTvis

cuds fiqrobdes.

is policia da Tavdacvis uwyeba, romlis

imedic aqvs saakaSvils, biZina ivaniSvilis

dafinansebuli ar aris? maT

aseTi materialur-teqnikuri uzrunvelyofa

rom aqvT, visi damsaxurebaa?

Tumca aman saqmes ver uSvela, dRevandel

policiaSi profesionalebi Zalze

naklebad arian. Cven rom aseTi uzrunvelyofa

gvqonoda, damijereT, Cveni

mosaxleoba dRevandelze gacilebiT

ukeT iqneboda daculi. dRevandeli

policia aris SeiaraRebuli politikuri

Zala, romelic mxolod `nacmoZraobas~

icavs. policia dRes e.w. gare

perimetze idga, mxolod ZiriTad moZraobas

aregulirebdnen, esec raRacas

niSnavs, radgan mcxeTaSi, guriasa da

quTaisSi saerTod ar daminaxavs. policiis,

kerZod ki sapatrulo policiis,

uSualo movaleobaa aseTi mitingebis

dros mosaxleobis usafrTxoebis

dacva, aq ki xom xedavT, Tavad aqciis

organizatorebi icaven am usafr-

Txoebas. esec mowmobs, rom dRevandeli

policia viRac politikosis ambiciebis

Semsrulebeli Zalaa. sxvaTa

Soris, esec kanondarRvevaa, Cveulebrivi

moqalaqe rom aregulirebs moZraobas,

magram ra qnan am xalxma, iZulebulni

arian TviTon daicvan aqciis

monawileebi avtomanqanebis nakadisgan.

am policiam an ar icis ra unda gaake-

Tos, anu araprofesionalebi arian, an

ician, magram Segnebulad ar akeTeben,

radgan aseTi politikuri dakveTa

aqvT. xelisuflebisTvis mTavaria,

xalxi erTmaneTs daajaxos da rogorme

daupirispiros `qarTul ocnebas~.

`saerTo gazeTi~ aqciis sxva monawileebsac

gaesaubra. cnobili saopero

momReral leliko jafariZis TqmiT,

oTxi dRe iyo xaSurSi, eka beseliasa

da merab TavaZesTan erTad bevri sofeli

Semoiara da kidev erTxel darwmunda,

rom xalxi marTlac gausaZlis

pirobebSia.

leliko jafariZe: `vicodi,

rom soflebSi cudi mdgomareoba iyo,

magram ar megona amisTana ubedurebas

Tu wavawydebodi,

ara gazi, ara

wyali, ara sinaTle,

masobrivi

umuSevroba, xalxi

tiroda. gamgebels

vkiTxe,

soflebisTvis gamoyofili

fuli

sad waiRes, magram

pasuxis magier,

aqeT Semomitia.

policiis imedad arian, maT gare-

Se arc gadian xalxTan, ise eSiniaT. am

aqciaze rac movismine, es iyo Sveba.

biZina ivaniSvilma politikaSi mosvla

maSin gadawyvita, roca ukve uzarmazari

qvelmoqmedeba hqonda gaweuli. nacionalebs

rom kiTxo, Turme mas politikaSi

mosvla undoda da imitom

iqceoda ase. ra SuaSia es, batonma bi-

Zinam 20 wlis win daiwyo qvelmoqmedeba,

500 eklesia aRadgina, 400-ze

meti skola aqvs gakeTebuli. samebis

eklesiis amSenebeli kaci, ukve istoriaSia

Sesuli qvelmoqmedisa da mSeneblis

saxeliT. am xelisuflebas

araferi eSveleba, ganwirulebi arian.

Seicvala polusebi, adre xalxs eSinoda,

axla magaT eSiniaT. vSiSobdi, am

aqciaze rame ar momxdariyo, radgan

mZime regionia, magram saswauli vnaxe,

ar megona am raodenobis xalxi Tu movidoda.

viRacam Tqva 30.000 kaci

iyoo, ar vici, ise magas arc aqvs mniSvneloba,

mTavaria, rom xalxma gaiRvi-

Za, imedi mieca, aRar eSinia. meti araferi

maqvs saTqmeli, darwmunebuli

iyaviT Cven gavimarjvebT~.

irakli sesiaSvili: `marTlac

saucxoo muxti da SeZaxili iyo, rac

marto cxinvalSi ki ara yvelgan gaiges.

rac mTavaria pasuxi gaeca provokatorebsa

da qvis msrolelebs. merabiSvili

rom `amayobs~

usafrTxo

qveyanaSi vcxovrob-

To da Tavad rom

arian provokaciebis

momwyobni, amas

gaeca aq pasuxi. me

ar minda cifrebze

konkretikis gareSe

laparaki, magram

pirdapir getyviT, mTeli saqarTvelo

uWers mxars biZina ivaniSvils, radgan

xalxs mSvidoba da bednieri saqarTvelo

unda, oqtombris mere daiwyeba mar-

Tlac saocnebo qvynis Seneba~.

zurab gamezardaSvili (`Tavisufali

demokratebis~ lagodexis raionuli

organizaciis xelmZRvaneli):

`miuxedavad imisa, rom devnilebi daSinebuli

hyavdaT da gareT ar uSvebdnen,

kaxi kalaZem da sxva liderebma mainc

SeZles maTTan gasaubreba. ltolvilTa

CasaxlebaSi, romelsac `verxvebs~ eZaxian,

ver mogviwyves provokacia, magram karaleTTan

mcxovreb devnilebTan rom mivediT,

iq kaxi kalaZes marTlac araadamianuri

Seuracxyofa

miayenes, magram moiTmina.

kotejebisken

rom daviZariT, qvebis

srola dagviwyes,

am dros

Cvens gverdiT imyofebodasaerTaSoriso

damkvirvebeli kanadidan

Tu aSS-dan,

gaognda is kaci. Tvi-

Ton iRebda da naxa rac xdeboda. man

Semdeg Zalze seriozuli da mkveTri

gancxadeba gaakeTa. eseni iyvnen basiSvilis

zonderjgufis wevrebi, romlebic

yvela Sexvedraze dagvyvebodnen. Cven

maqsimalurad vcdilobdiT, rom nulamde

dagveyvana dapirispirebis riski. veranairi

mizezi rom ver naxes, mere ukve

Ria agresiaze gadmovidnen qvebiTa da

lursmniani ficrebiT. kacebs arc qalebi

CamorCebodnen (rogorc gorelebma

miTxres yvelaze gawiwmatebuli `qalbatoni~

medole ministr xaCiZis sidedri

iyo – mm..ss..) es xalxi e.w. privilegirebuli

devnilebi yofilan, maT aqvT Suqi

da yvelanairi sacxovrebeli pirobebi.

vinc am xelisuflebis momxre ar

aris, imaT arc Suqi aqvT da arc SeSa,

elementarulad saWmeli rom gaikeTon,

saxlebSi arian gamoketili. erTma qalbatonma

gviTxra, Svilisa da meuRlis

saflavzec ver mivdivaro, ai, aseT mZime

mdgomareobaSi arian. miuxedavad imisa,

rom ase arian daSinebuli, maTi 70-

80% Cveni momxrea. erT-erT sofelSi

viyaviT Sexvedraze, win qalebis jgufi

gamouSves, skolis an sabavSvo baRis pedagogebi

iqnebodnen. ori maTgani gamomelaparaka,

yvela Tqven mxares varT,

`qarTul ocnebas~ vuWerT mxars, magram

aq rom ar gamovsuliyaviT, direqtori

samsaxuridan gagvyridao. xalxSi aseTi

ganwyobaa, magram, rogorc giTxariT,

aris didi SiSic, Tumca dRevandeli

dRe imis testi iyo, rom qarTlis mosaxleobas

aRar eSinia da veRarc daa-

Sineben~.

manana suxiSvili


#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa ddiipplloommaattii,, bbiiZZiinnaa

iivvaanniiSSvviilliiss mmrrCCeevveellii zaza

gogsaZe::

_ batono zaza, xelisuflebam

gasul kviras 60 aTasi lariT

dagajarimaT. rodemde SeiZleba

represiebi gagrZeldes, ra

gamosavals xedavT?

_ es xelisuflebis Cveuli

qmedebaa, amaSi axali araferia.

Tu vinmes partiebSi, organizaciebSi

Tanxa aqvs gadaricxuli,

yvelas ibareben da ajarimeben. xelisufleba

maqsimalurad cdilobs

mosaxleobis, amomrCevlis

daSinebas. xalxs gvagrZnobineben,

rom yvelafers Tavad akontroleben

da maTi morCilni unda viyoT.

12 aTasi lari sazogadoebriv

moZraoba

`qarTul ocnebaSi~ gadavricxe,

romlis damfuZnebeli

biZina ivaniSvilia,

me ki erT-er-

Ti TanadamfuZnebeli

gaxlavarT. es igive Cemi

saxlia. sakuTar saxl-

Si 12 aTasi lari mqonda

Senaxuli, Tanxa erTi

saxlidan meoreSi gadavricxe,

risi uflebac

Turme ar mqonia.

Tu es fuli moparuli maqvs,

an arakanonieri gziT viSove, ma-

Sin unda damiWiron, xom?! ras

niSnavs davasabuTo, saidan maqvs

Cemi kuTvnili fuli?! maT Tavad

unda damisabuTon Tu damnaSave

var. kontrolis palataSi davwere

axsna-ganmarteba, rom sxva Semosavlebic

gamaCnia, risi Semowmebac

maT Tavisuflad SeeZloT.

aseve aRvniSne, rom 2005-2008

wlebSi, italiaSi saqarTvelos

sagangebo da sruluflebiani el-

Ci viyavi da Cemi yovelwliuri

Semosavali 6 aTas evros Seadgenda.

garda amisa, manamde gaeros

misiaSi Zalian maRalanazRaurebadi

samsaxuri mqonda. ase, rom Tavisuflad

SemeZlo, erTi Tvis

xelfasi gadadebuli mqonoda. sasamarTloze

aranairi Semxvedri

kiTxvebi ar dasmula, kontrolis

palatis warmomadgeneli cinikurad

icinoda.

xelisuflebas Cveulebad

eqca adamiani

arafrad Caagdos. miznis

misaRwevad ukan

araferze daixeven, yovelgvarzRvargadasul

ukanonobaze moaweren

xels, magram ase

didxans aRar gagrZeldeba.

yvelafers aqvs

zRvari, ar SeiZleba

usamarTloba usasrulod

grZeldebodes da

amas demokratiis fasadiT

niRbavde. Tu diqtatori

xar da ginda

bolomde aseTad darCe,

maSin nuRar TvalTmaqcob

TiTqos demokratiis

Suqura xar. aseT

SemTxvevaSi, gagakritikeben,

sxva kategoriis

qveynebSi gadaxval, magram

pretenzia aRar geqneba

demokratiuli qveyana

iyo.

ucxo aravisTvisaa, rom Cven-

Tan demokratia mxolod fasaduria,

xolo Signidan tipiuri

diqtatura da avtokratiaa, sadac

sasamarTlo saerTod ar arsebobs

_ mosamarTleebis mier

gamotanili gadawyvetilebebis

99 procenti damadanaSaulebelia,

rac arnaxuli cifria, es

arc erT demokratiul qveyanaSi

ar xdeba. warmogidgeniaT, elCs

eubnebian 12 aTasi lari saidan

gqondao. Cvens qveyanaSi arse-

saerTo gazeTi

Tu saakaSvili zRvargadasul

ukanonobebs gaagrZelebs, xalxi mas Tavad

gamoagdebs avlabris rezidenciidan

bul sasamarTlos samarTlians

namdvilad ver uwodeb. es sasamarTlos

garda yvelaferia. es

aris saakaSvilis jibis sasamar-

Tlo. amaSi sakuTari gamocdilebiT

davrwmundi. saapelaciomac

yovelgvari axsna-ganmartebis

gareSe wina gadawyvetileba

ucvlelad datova ZalaSi. sasamarTlos

gadawyvetilebaSi kuriozuli

Secdoma aRmovaCineT

_ daskvnaSi miTiTebulia, rom

aRniSnuli Tanxa ver meqneboda,

radgan 2006 wlis oqtomberSi

elCis Tanamdebobidan gavTavisufldi,

rac sicruea. sinamdvileSi,

Cemi elCis Tanamdebobidan

gaTavisufleba 2008 wlis agvistos

moxda. me Tu mkiTxavT,

mxolod es Secdomaa sakmarisi,

raTa saqme dairRves da samarTlianad

moxdes misi xelaxali

ganxilva.

am fonze, bunebrivia,

xelisuflebis mxridan

yvelaferia mosalodneli.

aravin icis, xalxis

winaaRmdeg kidev ra

represiebs ganaxorcieleben,

magram, merwmuneT,

rac ufro agresiul

formebs mimarTaven

sakuTari xalxis winaaRmdeg,

Zalian male bumerangiviTdaubrundebaT

ukan.

maTsave interesSia, ara

sityviT, aramed realurad Tavisufali

arCevnebi Caataron. soflebSi,

sadac realuri informacia

xelmiuwvdomelia, xalxs

ajereben, TiTqos `qarTul ocnebas~

ruseTis Semoyvana gvinda.

amitom mosaxleobas uSualod

vxvdebiT da maT simarTles veubnebiT.

Cven ruseTi okupantad

gvyavs gamocxadebuli. momavals

natoSi, evrokavSirSi gawevrianebiT

vxedavT. Tumca ruseTTan

urTierTobebi mosagvarebelia. im

okupantTanac dalaparakebaa sa-

Wiro, amisTvis nabijebi unda gadaidgas.

_ batono zaza, Tqveni dajarimebis

Temas davubrundeT. rogorc

viciT, kerZo pirs ama Tu

im organizaciaSi kanonmdeblobiT

60 aTasi laris gadaricxva SeuZlia.

Tqveni 12 aTasi lari ratom

gaxda problema da ra gzas ir-

CevT _ gadaixdiT jarimas?

_ medavebian, saidan mqonda 12

aTasi lari, daasabuTe, rom es

legaluri Tanxaao. Tu es Cemi

fuli ar aris, Tu

vinme gavZarcve an

raime maqinacia Cavidine,

dasaWeri

vyofilvar, xom

da damiWiron ma-

Sin?! 12 aTasi lariswarmomavlobaze

medavebian.

warmogidgeniaT,

evropis nebismieri

qveynis yofili

elCi sasamarTlo-

Si daibaron da pasuxi

mohkiTxon

12 aTasi laris

gadaricxvis gamo

da 60 aTasiT daajarimon.

es absurdia,

Tanac Tanxa

iseT sazogadoebriv

moZraoba-

Si gadavricxe,

romlis erT-erTi

damfuZnebeli Tavad var. es Wirveuli

bavSvis saqcielia. jarimis

gadaxdas ar vapireb, jer erTi,

imitom, rom jarima kanondarRveviT

damakisres. Tanac 60 aTasi

lari rom gadavixado, araviTari

garantia ar maqvs, rom xelisufleba

ar metyvis, es 60 aTasi saidan

gqondao da amis gamo kidev

300 aTasiT ar damajarimebs. amaT

yvelafris gakeTeba SeuZliaT.

rac undaT, is hqnan, maT SeuZliaT

yvelanairi ziani momayenon, Zalaufleba

maT xelSia, magram male

ase aRar iqneba. qonebas

Tu damiyadaReben, amas

kanonis farglebSi gavaprotesteb,

magram am qveyanaSi

samarTali ar aris.

amitom velodebiT arCevnebs,

raTa qveyanaSi samar-

Tlianoba aRvadginoT.

_ Tundac Tqveni konkretuli

SemTxvevidan aSkaraa,

rom, rogorc zRaprebSia,

qveyanas gveleSapia

dapatronebuli _ rasac

mogvTxovs, yvelafers vaZlevT.

Tu ase gagrZelda

da yvelafris ufleba miveciT,

xom SeiZleba saer-

Tod SegvWamos?

_ gamoCndeba ciskara

da devs, romelic sofels

wyals ar aZlevs, daamarcxebs,

xalxi ki gaimarjvebs.

arCevnebi axlovdeba,

xalxi mzadaa am procesisTvis.

xelisufleba SeSinebulia da

provokaciebs gviwyobs. aq sxva

situaciaa _ gveleSapi ukanonod

iTxovs yvelafers da miaqvs kidec,

magram Cven ki ar vaZlevT,

Tavad miaqvs Zaladobrivad. ivaniSvilma

jarima ar gadaixada da

amis gamo moZalade saakaSvilma

banki waarTva. ra unda eqna ivaniSvils,

ukanonod dakisrebuli

jarima gadaexada?!

_ geTanxmebiT, magram ase Cumad

rodemde viyoT, am ukanonobebze

Tvali rodemde davxuWoT,

xma xom unda amoviRoT, gamovxatoT

protesti, Tundac amxela

qonebis warTmevis gamo. iseTi piri

uCans ,gveleSapi arCevnebamde

apirebs Cvens SeWmas.

_ sam TveSi ver SegvWams, rogorme

gavZlebT. qarTvelebs ufro

meti gansacdelisTvis gauZlia

da axlac gavZlebT. Cven anomaliuri

viTareba gvaqvs im mxrivac,

rom finansuri saxsrebis gamoyeneba

mxolod xelisuflebis-

Tvisaa nebadarTuli. miuxedavad

amisa, dRes xalxis Segneba imdenad

maRalia, CvenTvis sasurvel

Sedegs aucileblad miviRebT.

_ Tumca xalxi, romelic mxolod

mayureblad vaqcieT, ramdenad

SeiZleba TqvenTvis gamarjvebis

sawindari iyos?

_ xalxma icis, rom arCevnebamde

unda mivides. qveynisTvis

axla xalxis gareT gamosvla da

sxva gziT siaruli damRupvelia.

es unda swored xelisuflebas.

igi am ukanonobebs swored imitom

akeTebs, rom opozicia aiZulos

xalxi gareT gamoiyvanon. an

Tavad xalxs Seuqmnas iseTi pirobebi,

rom sakuTari nebiT gareT

gamovidnen, magram Cven movuwodebT

xalxs, ar ahyvnen am provokacias.

Tu xelisufleba mainc

gamoiyvans xalxs da saqmes

kidev ufro gaarTulebs, mere ukve

veRaravin gansazRvravs, ra

moxdeba. RmerTma gvaSoros yvelaferi

cudisagan. mainc mgonia,

xelisufleba keTilgonierebas

gamoiCens da arCevnebi metnaklebad

obieqturad Catardeba. darwmunebuli

var opozicia gaimarjvebs.

_ Tumca faqtia, rom dRes

xelisufleba ivaniSvils jabnis,

Tavidan es xalxSi TanagrZnobas

aCens, magram, SeiZleba, dadges

momenti, roca mosaxleoba dafiqrdeba

imaze, Tu rogor unda uSvelos

im adamianma, romelic sa-

kuTar Tavs ver Svelis, da xalxi

Zlieris mxares daiWers, anu

xelisuflebis. es xom xalxis

Tvisebaa?

_ ara. saakaSvili amiT siZlieres

ki ara, sisustes amJRavnebs.

xelisuflebis gadawyvetilebebi

absoluturad araadekvaturia, es

misi sisustea, rasac mSvenivrad

grZnobs xalxi. xalxi Tavad gveubneba

_ arauSavs, arCevnebi Catardeba

da yvelaferi rigze iqnebao.

manamde moviTmenT.

_ batono zaza, rogor fiqrobT,

26 maisis kompleqsidan ar

unda gamovideT? gasagebia, maSin

xelisuflebam gaugonari ram Caidina

_sakuTari xalxis sisxli

daRvara, magram es mxolod imitom

moaxerxa, rom im avbediT Rames

cota adamiani iyo Sekrebili

da maT advilad moeria, magram

200-300 aTas kacs xom ver moereva?

_ gasagebia, magram sad gamoviyvanoT

es 200 aTasi kaci? kargiT,

davuSvaT davgegmeT aqcia da

ivlisis bolos 200 aTasi kaci

gamoviyvaneT da ra vuTxraT maT,

rom xelisufleba gadaayenon?!

modis, batono, oqtombris arCevnebi

da iq kanonis farglebSi gavakeToT

es saqme, xom SeiZleba?!

_ rogor ar SeiZleba, magram

swored magaSia saqme, rom bevri

xedavs saSiSroebas, rom imis gamo,

ra represiebsac xelisufleba

wina saarCevno periodSi axorcielebs,

SeiZleba, arCevnebamde

saerTod ver mivaRwioT.

_ 27 maiss da Semdgomac

sxvadasxva regionebSi aqciebze

quCaSi gamosuli uamravi adamiani

swored xelisuflebis gasafr-

Txileblad gamovida gareT. xelisufleba

ukve agoniaSia. axla,

200 aTasi kaci kidev rom gamovideT

da xelisuflebas gadadeqio

davuZaxoT, amiT qveynis ganviTarebas

SevuSliT xels.

_ Tundac Tqveni SemTxveva

aviRoT, gana es imis maniSnebeli

araa, rom xelisufleba ufro

uares qmedebebze moawers xels?

_ ki, ra Tqma unda,

yvela ukanonoba, ganxorcielebulirepresiebi,

maT Soris dajarimeba-dayadaRebebi

swored amis maniSnebelia,

magram gaaCnia, es

ra wertilamde miva. Tu

aman arnaxuli masStabebi

SeiZina, mere xalxs

rac ar unda vukiJinoT

ar gamoxvideo,

maT veraferi Sea-

Cerebs da quCaSi

mainc gamovlen.

Tu xelisuflebis

qmedebebi kidev

ufro gadavida

zRvars, xalxs veravin

daakavebs.

saakaSvili Tu ar-

Cevnebs ar daTmobs

da gayalbebaze

wava, xalxi

Tavad daaTmobinebs.

rodesac xelisuflebisqmedebebi

zRvars gadava,

xalxi Tavis

sityvas ityvis,

mainc miaRwevs Tavisas

da saakaSvili

mainc wava.

viciT, rom xelisufleba

ukanonobas ukanonobaze sCadis,

magram arCevnebi karsaa momdgari

da didi moTmineba gvmarTebs,

raTa es xelisufleba Sin mSvidobianad,

kanonieri gziT gavistumroT.

nuravis hgonia, rom arCevnebze

xmebis arnaxuli gayalbebis

SemTxvevaSi, xelisuflebas pasuxs

ar mosTxoven. saerTaSoriso

Tanamegobrobam, partniorma qveynebma

yvelam ician, rom xelisufleba

ukanonod iqceva. Cven vambobT,

modiT, es ukanonoba oqtomberSi

davasruloT. xelisuflebisTvis

xalxis azri cnobilia.

miuxedavad mosaxleobis ganwyobisa,

Tu xelisufleba yvela daSvebul

zRvars gadava, Caidens kidev

damatebiT ukanonobebs da xelisuflebaSi

yofnis gaxangrZlivebas

Seecdeba, maSin xalxs win veraferi

daudgeba da Tavad gamoagdeben

im sasaxlidan, sadac zis.

Tu saakaSvili arCevnebis gayalbebas

ecdeba, vimeoreb, xalxi mas

rezidenciidan gamoagdebs.

Tamar SveliZe

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10 saerTo gazeTi #32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

`saerTo gazeTs~~ esaubreba

politologi hamlet WipaSvili

_ hamlet, rogor SeafasebT

rac moxda evroparlamentSi saqarTvelos

sakiTxze debatebisas.

evropelma politikosebma

ar ician, vinc aris saakaSvili

da rasac warmoadgens misi

mmarTveloba? marTalia, is diqtatori,

SeiZleba, ar aris,

klasikuri gagebiT, magram mis

moqmedebebSi diqtaturis elementebi

SeiniSneba. moswons

diqtatura demokratiul evropas?

_ modiT, bolodan daviwyeb

pasuxis gacemas. Tqven brZaneT,

rom saakaSvilSi aris diqtaturis

niSnebi. rac ar gamoricxavs

mTeli presis, masmediis

dasjas. aris gamocemebi, maT

Soris, `saerTo gazeTic~, romlebic

realurad afaseben saakaSvils,

magram misTvis aravi-

Tar kritikas mniSvneloba ara

aqvs. xan oms iwyebs, xan-bagratis

rekonstruqcias akeTebs,

konstitucias cvlis... es aris

wminda wylis diqtatura, amas

wyali ar gauva.

axla, rac Seexeba evropis

damokidebulebas.

mogexsenebaT, saakaSvili

`vardebis revoluciiT~ movida

xelisuflebaSi, es revolucia

ki iyo dasavlur-amerikeli

proeqti, romelic saqarTvelomde

bevr qveyanaSi ganxorcielda.

magram saqarTveloSi yvelaze

warmatebulad.

TviTon saakaSvili,

Tavisi amerikeli da

evropeli megobrebis

daxmarebiT, yvelafers

akeTebs, raTa

msoflios mis mimarT

kargi ganwyoba hqondes.

ar darCa msoflioSi wamyvani

politikuri wre an organizacia,

romlebic `saakaSvilebma~

ar moTafles, da ar

ifiqroT, TiTqos yvelaferi

`vardebis revoluciis~ dros

iyos dawyebuli. muSaoba am

axalgazrdebma 1995 wlidan

daiwyes, rodesac Jvania parlamentis

Tavmjdomare iyo. axalgazrduli

frTis warmomadgenlebi

maSin daoTxili darbodnen

msoflios sxvadasxva

kuTxeSi, amaze ixarjeboda Zalian

didi Tanxebi da a.S.

me TviTon maxsovs, evrokav-

Siris, evroparlamentis da

sxva umaRlesi rangis warmomadgenlebi

saqarTvelodan ise

ar wavidodnen, rom ar Sexved-

hamlet WipaSvili:

rodnen axalgazrda Jvanias,

saakaSvils, barami-

Zes, burjanaZes da sxvebs.

es is xalxi iyo, vinc

maT saCuqrebiT avsebda,

melasaviT elaquceboda.

aseTi adamiani, visac fesvebi

aqvs gadgmuli ucxoeTSi

mravali wlis ganmavlobaSi _

1994-95wlidan moyolebuli,

umetesobisTvis misaRebia dasavleTSi.

igi gaxlavT ruseTis

winaaRmdeg xmalamoRebuli mebrZoli

regionSi. saakaSvilis

msgavsi liberaluri mmarTveli

sanatrelia mTel kavkasiaSi da

amitomac iyo axlaxan Camosulma

klintonma mere israelSi

rom Tqva _ saakaSvili saswaulebs

akeTebs saqarTveloSio.

es araa patara saqme saakaSvilisTvis

da amas akeTebs is kaci,

vinc Cven uWkuo gvgonia. am

`qarafSutam~ SesaniSnavad au-

Ro alRo situacias, daxarja

uamravi fuli da misi avtoriteti

dRes msoflioSi aris Zalian

maRali.

masTan brZola araa advili

da amitomac iyo opoziciam

sruli fiasko rom ganicada

strasburgSi. alasania da jafariZe,

xidaSeli da usufaSvili

ki ara, jon makkeins ruzvelti

rom gaucocxlo da rom

uTxras, saakaSvili cudia da

zurgi Seaqcieo, imasac ar daujerebs,

isea darwmunebuli mixeilis

megobrobasa da erTgulebaSi.

_ sazogadoebis nawili

Tqvennairad ar ifiqrobs, zogs

miaCnia, rom mixeil saakaSvili

sworedac rom ruseTis politikis

mxardamWeria saqarTve-

Zalian seriozuli

samoqalaqo dapirispirebis

safrTxis winaSe vdgavarT

loSi da ruseTis interesebs

axorcielebs. amis dasturad

mohyavT igor ivanovi, romelic

`vardebis revoluciis~ `monawile~

iyo. amis dasturia, rusuli

kapitali saqarTveloSi,

benduqiZe, vaSaZe da sxvebi. zogi

ambobs, ruseTis saidumlo

gegmebs saarCevnodac ganaxorcielebso.

_ politika iseTi ramea,

rac permanentulad icvleba.

rac iyo 2003 wels, axla aRaraa

mniSvnelovani.

ra iyo ruseTis survili?

mas surda sxvis gaSlil sufraze

Tamamad mosuliyo. imitom,

rom is Tvlis, amierkavkasia misi

gavlenis sferoa 2 saukuneze

meti xnis ganmavlobaSi. aSSis

WaWaneba ar iyo aq 1992

wlidan. Semovida da daiwyo seriozuli

moqmedebebi rac Tan-

daTan gamoisaxa imaSi, rom ruseTi

unda gavides da aSS-s dauTmos

poziciebi, radgan es patara

teritoria ar aris ori

gigantis moqmedebis areali.

2004 wels saakaSvili kidevac

Cavida ruseTSi da Sexvda

xelmZRvanelobas. wasvlamde

saparlamento fraqciebis warmomadgenlebs

Sexvda. iq viyavi

mec, roca aqebda ruseTs, aslan

abaSiZes, romelsac exmareboda

luJkovi da a.S. sinamdvileSi

mas es ritorika ruseTis Tvalis

asaxvevad sWirdeboda da

moaxerxa kidevac. man moatyua

ruseTi, romelic gvian mixvda

mixeilis siverages.

axla bevri ambobs,

rom saakaSvili ruse-

Tis kacia. es aris blefi

da zRapari.

Tu am Sexedulebas gaamyareben

rusuli kapitalis arsebobiT

saqarTveloSi, me mogaxsenebT,

rom es kapitali aq aris

mxolod imitom, rom rusuli

biznesinteresebi ufro realuri

da sicocxlisunariania saqarTveloSi,

vidre sxva romelime

qveynis kapitali, radgan

ruseTisTvis cnobilia saqarTvelo,

rogorc samoqmedo sivrce.

benduqiZe da misnairebi ar

arian rusuli orientaciis. es

ukanaskneli, marTalia, ruseT-

Si cxovrobda, magram is liberaluri,

dasavluri Rirebulebebis

Tayvanismcemelia da rogorc

rusi liberalebi, isic

xmalamoRebuli mebrZolia putinis

da ruseTis dRevandeli

xelisuflebis.

_ saakaSvilma ramdenime

xnis win Tqva, rom is cdilobs

da surs daelaparakos ruseTis

xelisuflebas.

_ saqme isaa, rom man SesaniSnavad

icis, `ai-ra-is~ da

`en-di-ais~ gamokiTxvebiT, ra

surs saqarTvelos mosaxleobas.

icis, rom saqarTveloSi

70 procents surs ruseTTan

urTierTobis dalageba. amitom

im 70 procents sakenks uyris

da ambobs: mec minda, batonebo,

ruseTTan urTierToba, me winaaRmdegi

ara varo.

Tuki mas urTierToba surda

ruseTTan, ra uSlida xels

wlebis ganmavlobaSi? dedis

ginebiT veravisTan ver daamyareb

karg urTierTobas, es martivi

logikaa.

_ ratom amboben, ivaniSvili

ruseTis gamogzavniliao, aris

amaSi simarTlis nawili mainc?

_ ara, ara, gamoricxulia.

miuxedavad imisa, rom am adamianma

kapitali ruseTSi daagrova,

darwmunebuli var, mas ar

aqvs urTierToba ruseTis politikur

wreebTan.

_ Tuki mosaxleobis 70

procenti Tanaxmaa ruseTTan

keTilmezobluri urTierTobis,

ratom misdeven qvebiT

`qarTuli ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebs

da lanZRaven _ wadiT

`ruseTis gamogzavnil~ ivaniSvilTano?

_ vinc yviris, es saakaSvilis

xalxia, masa, sazogadoebis

didi nawili ase ar fiqrobs da

is xalxi ar yviris, gaCumebulia.

saqarTveloSi dRes zustad

igive ideologia vrceldeba,

rac aqvs dasavleTs da aSS-s

ruseTisadmi. ruseTma fexi ve-

Rar unda daadgas saqarTvelo-

Si, mas araferi ekiTxeba arc

kavkasiaSi, arc centralur

aziaSi da a.S. ase fiqroben rusi

liberalebic. maT tvirTad

miaCniaT kavkasia ruseTisTvis.

_ ase Zalian eSinia ivaniSvilis

mTeli msoflios politikuri

wreebiT zurggamagrebul

saakaSvils, Sefucxunebuli

rom arian da Zireul sakadro

cvlilebebzec rom midian?

_ saakaSvils mmarTvelobis

ganmavlobaSi iseTi mowinaaRmdege

arasdros hyolia, rogorc

ivaniSvilia. vinc iyo opoziciaSi,

nel-nela yvela moisyida.

ivaniSvils is ver moisyidis,

amitom misTvis barieris aRmar-

Tva gaxda saWiro.

_ Tqven rogorc TqviT, rom

ivaniSvils veravin moisyidis.

brZola daZabuli iqneba. amis

niSnebi aris. jer qvebis sroliT

daiwyes.

_ me erTi ramis meSinia, ra

`gamWvirvaledac~ ar unda Caataros

arCevnebi saakaSvilma,

opozicia mainc ar iqneba kmayofili

da araa gamoricxuli,

mouwodon xalxs gamosvlisken

da ar mgonia, yvelaferi mSvidobianad

dasruldes. Zalian

seriozuli samoqalaqo dapirispirebis

meSinia.

karaleTSi rac moxda, es

iyo patara Sexla-Semoxla, magram

gadaitaneT es mTeli qveynis

masStabiT. kidev vimeoreb,

sastiki winaaRmdegoba

iqneba xelisuflebis

mxridan da vimedovneb,

biZina ivaniSvilma

icis, visTan

aqvs saqme.

vimedovneb, mas hyavs dasayrdeni

Zala. es yvelaferi seriozuli

gansjis sagani unda iyos,

radgan ar viciT, saiTken miveqanebiT...

iranda kalandaZe


#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi

arCevnebamde darCa 3 Tve. koalicia

~qarTuli ocnebis~ liderebis

mier aqtiurad xdeba sxvadasxva

(politikuri, ekonomikuri

da sxva) prioritetebis gacnoba

amomrCevlisTvis.

„qarTuli ocnebis“ saprogramo

prioritetebi qarTuli sazogadoebisaTvis

cnobilia - dasaqmeba,

ganaTleba, jandacva da

soflis meurneoba.

socialur-ekonomikuri ganvi-

Tarebis programa - koalicia

„qarTuli ocnebis“ xedvaa qveyana-

Si arsebuli socialur-ekonomikuri

problemebisa da maTi mogvarebis

gzebis Taobaze, romelic

efuZneba Tavisufali sabazro

ekonomikis principebs da faseulobebs,

amasTan iTvaliswinebs

socialuri samarTlianobis da

mosaxleobis cxovrebis donis

zrdas, ukiduresi siRaribis aRmofxvras.

aRsaniSnavia, rom programa

momzadda koaliciaSi Semaval

partiebTan, mecnierebTan, eqpertebTan

da praqtikosebTan konsultaciebis

gziT.

vesaubrebiT programebis koordinators,

“qarTuli ocnebis“

warmomadgenels, Tavisufali demokratebis

erT-erT liders, daviT

onofriSvils.

_ batono daviT, ratom ver

SeZlo vardebis xelisuflebam

aTaswleulis gamowvevebidan erTerTi

umTavresis - siRaribis damarcxeba?

ratom ver Camoyalibda

saqarTveloSi saSualo fena?

_ 2004 wlis arCevnebSi, rodesac

sazogadoeba umZimesi social-ekonomikuri

problemebis winaSe

idga, „nacionalurma moZraobam“

ekonomikis swrafi ayvavebis

da mniSvnelovani socialuri paketis

SeTavazebis lozungiT gaimarjva.

Tumca maleve daiwyo ekonomikuri

eqsperimentis ganxorcieleba

„libertarianizmis“ deviziT,

romelic Sors aRmoCnda realuri

cvlilebebisagan da xelisuflebam

uari Tqva saxelmwifos

mxridan socialur pasuxismgeblobaze.

2003 wlidan dRemde srulfasovnad

da Tanmimdevrulad aranairi

ekonomikuri politika ar

ganxorcielebula. mTavrobis populisturi

programebi - „siRaribis

daZlevis“, „dasaqmebis“, Tu

„biznesis xelSewyobis“, orientirebuli

iyo mxolod propagandaze

da ara Sedegze. saqarTveloSi

siRaribe ufro gaizarda da amaze

msoflio bankis bolodroindeli

kvlevebi metyvelebs, gaizarda

umuSevroba, sagareo valebi, Semcirda

investiciebic.

sasaciloa, rodesac

xelisufleba momaval

wlebSi soflis meurneobaSi

4 miliardis finansirebaze

saubrobs,

roca mmarTvelobis 8

wlis ganmavlobaSi 1 miliardi

laric ki ar dauxarjavT.

mosaxleobisaTvis gansakuTrebuli

SeSfoTebis sagani gaxda

bolo wlebSi ganxorcielebuli

privatizaciis procesi, saqarTve-

los mTavrobis mier saxelmwifo

qonebis gasxviseba xdeboda gaumWvirvaled,

msxvili obieqtebi, maT

Soris - strategiuli mniSvnelobis,

auqcionis Catarebis gareSe

saxelmwifos interesebis sruli

ignorirebiT ganxorcielda. xelisuflebaSi

gansakuTrebuli „popularobiT’’

sargeblobs sapriva-

tizacio obieqtebis simbolur

fasad - 1 larad gasxviseba prezidentis

gadawyvetilebiT. aseTi

garigebebis mniSvnelovani nawili

gaxda xelisuflebis mxridan

„elitaruli korufciis“ wyaro.

xelisuflebis prioriteti

arasdros yofila xalxi. dResac,

yvela is dapireba, rasac xelisuflebis

mxridan ismens mosaxleoba,

mxolod winasaarCevno dapirebebia.

saSualo fenis Seqmnis interesi

ar hqonda xelisuflebas,

radgan saSualo fena, rogorc

wesi, aqtiurad aris CarTuli politikaSi,

sxvadasxva gadawyvetilebebis

miRebis procesSi, es

aris is Zala, romelsac SeuZlia

arCevnebis bedis gadawyveta. normaluri

mTavrobis mizani namdvilad

unda yofiliyo am fenis Camoyalibeba.

Tumca xelisuflebas

urCevnia masze damokidebuli,

morCili mosaxleoba hyavdes,

romelic mxolod 4 weliwadSi

erTxel - winasaarCevnod axsendeba.

saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebs rvawlianidanapirebebis

mware gamocdileba

aqvT, amdenad

isini darwmunebuli

var, swor ar-

Cevans gaakeTeben.

_ saprogramo

mesijebi koalicia

„qarTuli ocnebis“

lideris, bi-

Zina ivaniSvilisagan

sazogadoebam

mxardamWerebTan

gamarTul aqciebze

moismina. ivaniSvilis programisadmi

interesi, iseve rogorc

ndoba, sakmaod maRalia, Tuki gavixsenebT

imasac, rom Cvens qveyanaSi

TiTqmis 2 milioni adamiani

umweo mdgomareobaSia. ra aris

umTavresi Tqvens programaSi?

_ 1 milion 650 aTasi adamiani,

qveynis mosaxleobis naxevari,

siRaribis zRvarze cxovrobs. diax,

es aris am xelisuflebis

rvawliani politikis Sedegi. Cveni

programa realur gaTvlebzea

dafuZnebuli. Cveni prioritetebia

is, rasac Cveni mosaxleoba miiCnevs

mniSvnelovnad - dasaqmeba,

xelmisawvdomi da xarisxiani -

jandacva da ganaTleba, soflis

meurneoba.

dasaqmebis uzrunvelyofis

mizniT, mcire da saSualo biznesis

ganviTarebis, soflis meurneobis

xelSewyobis, investiciebis

mozidvisa da warmoebis

xelSewyobis, kvalifikaciis

zrdis saSualebebi

Cvens mier momzadebul

strategiebSia asaxuli. Ti-

Toeuli adamiani, sakuTari

kvalifikaciis da gamocdilebis

Sesabamis samuSao adgils

moZebnis, gauCndeba

damatebiTi Semosavlebi da

gaumjobesdeba misi socialuri

mdgomareoba, Sesabamisad,

Semcirdeba mosaxleobis

masobrivi gadineba

sazRvargareT.

dasaqmebaze orientirebuli

politika gulisxmobs

Cveni qveynis ekonomikis

realur ganviTarebas. ekonomikis

politikam unda uzrunvelhyos

soflis meurneobis, masTan dakav-

Sirebuli dargebis, mcire da sa-

Sualo biznesis ganviTareba.

aqve unda aRvniSno, rom ramdenime

wlis win biZina ivaniSvili

mzad iyo soflis meurneobis

ganviTarebaSi sakuTari 1 miliardi

laris daxmarebisaTvis,

magram man xelisuflebisagan

uari miiRo. Cveni progama,

romelic iTvaliswinebs

soflis meurneobis

ganviTarebis erTmiliardiani

fondis Seqmnas, daexmareba

glexebs da fermerebs

dabalprocentiani kreditis

gacemaSi, ufaso sakonsultacio

moxmarebaSi, miwis

Sesabamisi agroteqnikiT dafinansebaSi.

bazarze gasaRebis

problemac moxsnili iqneba,

maT xeli SeewyobaT

TavianTi produqciis gasa-

RebaSi da cxadia, mowesrigdeba

is infrastruqtura,

rac sWirdebaT. dRes qar-

Tul sofelSi araa morwyvis

saSualeba, aris arxebi,

sadac wyali ver gadis, radgan gasawmendia.

uamravi problemaa gadasaWreli,

rac swored am Tanxis

daxmarebiT moxdeba.

„qarTuli ocneba“ fiqrobs,

rom kargi iqneba, Seiqmnas mcire

da saSualo saojaxo biznesis

ganviTarebis fondi, romelic aseve

meore wyaro iqneba dafinansebis,

sabazro, magram SedarebiT

dabal procentSi gascems sesxebs.

_ saidan apirebs koalicia finansuri

resursebis mozidvas, romelic

sxvadasxva seqtorSi Caideba?

_ „qarTuli ocnebis“ xelisuflebaSi

mosvlisTanave pensia

gaxdeba 160 lari, anu aranakleb

saarsebo minimumis da saqarTvelos

TiToeul moqalaqes eqneba

ufaso janmrTelobis dazRveva. es

yvelaferi cxadia dafinansdeba

biujetidan. biujetSi amisi saSualeba

yovelTvis arsebobda. xelisuflebis

biujetSi rom CaixedoT,

„sxva xarjebSi“ miliard

larze metia gawerili, romelic

yovelwliurad izrdeba- SarSan

Tu 600 milioni iyo, wels ukve

miliardze metia. Cveni programebi

erTobliobaSi, daaxloebiT,

miliardnaxevars moicavs, nawili

biujetis zrdis xarjze, nawili

ki aramiznobrivi xarjebis SemcirebiT

gamoiZebneba.

_ batono daviT, vfiqrob, bolomde

mainc nu gavaxmovanebT saprogramo

gegmas, radgan xelisuflebis

sxvadasxva warmomadgenlebi

ivaniSvilis saprogramo mimar-

Tulebebis sakuTar interpretacias

ukve sTavazoben amomrCevels...Tumca

komunaluri problemebi

da tarifebis Sesaxeb aucileblad

unda gkiTxoT.

_ komunaluri gadasaxadebis

tarifebi 2003 wlidan yvela mimarTulebiT

gegmazomierad mkveTrad

izrdeboda da 2012 wlisTvis

miviReT suraTi, rodesac tarifebis

sididT saqarTvelom ara marto

dsT-s qveynebs, aramed evropis

bevr qveyanasac ki gauswro. mosaxleobisagan

gadasaxadebis aracivi-

lizebuli xerxebis gamoyenebiT

isedac mkveTrad gazrdili komunaluri

xarjebi Rarib mosaxleobas

mZime tvirTad daawva - eleqtroenergiis,

gazis, wylis miwodebisa

da narCenebis gatanas saqarTveloSi

erTi saerTo aqvs -

yvela es momsaxureba TviTRirebulebasTan

SedarebiT araadekvatu-

rad didia. TbilisSi wylis tarifi

2003 welTan SedarebiT

160% -iT gaizarda. arc erTi dapireba

- 24 saaTiani momarageba,

wylis xarisxis gaumjobeseba, tarifis

diferencireba da sxva ar

Sesrulebula da motyuebulma

mosaxleobam gacilebiT Zvirad

uaresi momsaxureba miiRo.

TiTqmis gaormagebulia bunebrivi

airis fasi, miuxedavad imisa,

rom bevri winapiroba arsebobs misi

tarifis sagrZnobi SemcirebisaTvis

- saqarTvelo Tavis teritoriaze

arsebuli magistraluri

gazsadenidan ufaso gazs iRebs.

eleqtroenergiis tarifi amave periodSi

70 %-iT gaizarda, aRsaniSnavia,

rom dawesebuli diferencirebuli

tarific socialurad

usamarTloa.

Cven umokles vadebSi ganvaxorcielebT

tarifebis xelaxal

da samarTlian gamoTvlas, ar davuSvebT

biznesze kabalur tarifebs,

rac aZvirebs produqcias

mosaxleobisaTvis da xels uSlis

biznesis ganviTarebas. efeqtiani

da civilizebuli Sromis bazris

Camoyalibeba Cveni umTavresi amocanaa.

Sromis kanonmdeblobis evropul

kanonmdeblobasTan harmonizacia

am amocanis Sesrulebis

mniSvnelovani komponentia. amisaTvis

ki saWiroa axali Sromis

kanonmdeblobis SemuSaveba da mi-

Reba, iseve, rogorc socialuri

dialogis da socialuri partniorobis

efqetiani sistemis uzrunvelyofa.

_ ras gvetyviT soflis meurneobis

problemebze? Tqven TqviT,

rom glexebs xels SeuwyobT Seqmnili

produqciis gasaRebaSic, es

ras gulisxmobs?

_ xelisuflebam umZimes

mdgomareobaSi Caagdo soflis meurneoba.

ganaxevrebulia naTesi

farTobebi, ganaxevrebulia mosavlianoba

sxvadasxva marcvleuli

kulturebis. marto xorblis

warmoeba saqarTveloSi bolo

ramdenime wlis manZilze 80%-T

aris Semcirebuli.

sasaciloa, rodesac xelisufleba

4 miliardis finansirebaze saubrobs,

roca 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi

1 miliardi laric ki ar dauxarjavT

monopoliurma fasebma aqac

iCines Tavi. xorcis fasi ratom

aris aseTi Zviri? imitom rom

warmoeba Semcirebulia da amave

dros SemoRes SezRudvebi, rom

saqoneli daiklas mxolod ramdenime

adgilas da xelovnuri monopoliebi

Seqmnes. Sesabamisad,

xorcis gasayidi fasi gaaZvirada

14-18 laramde, rac warmoudgenelad

Zviria am

produqtze iseTi qveynisTvis,

rogoric saqar-

Tveloa.

es problemebi iwvevs

imas, rom dRes bizness

daintereseba ar aqvs,

arc es Sualeduri sabi-

Tumo rgolebi iqmneba,

rom vinmem adgilze glexisgan

produqcias SeiZinos

da eqsportze gaitanos.

Cven xels SeuwyobT,

rom warmoiqmnas is Sualeduri

sabiTumo rgoli,

romelic, samwuxarod,

saqarTveloSi 20

welia, ver Seiqmna. sasurvelia

es kerZo

struqtura iyos, Tumca,

SeiZleba, is jer saxelmwifo

iyos da Semdgom gankerZovdes.

amis garda, Cven vecdebiT, rom

gaixsnas rusuli bazari qarTuli

produqciisaTvis. miuxedavad imisa,

rom saqarTvelom xma misca

ruseTis msoflio savaWro organizaciaSi

gawevrianebas, dRes goris

vaSli mainc ver xvdeba rusul

bazarze da amis Semcvleli

bazari ki, faqtobrivad, verc

warmoiqmna. igive SeiZleba iTqvas

sxva sasoflo-sameurneo produqciaze.

qarTuli produqtebis bazrebze

gatana ver xerxdeba, rasac

glexebs nu davabralebT. xelisuflebis

uyuradRebobam da

soflis meurneobis daufinanseblobam

warmoqmna es problemebi.

„qarTul ocnebas“ aqvs soflis

meurneobis ganviTarebis konkretuli

gegma, Tu rogor unda

aRorZindes qarTuli sofeli da

agrosasursaTo seqtori, rogor

dasaqmdes mosaxleoba soflad.

nino fircxalava

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12 saerTo gazeTi #32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

erovnul-ddemokratiuli institutis

(NDI-ss) mier gamoqqveynebul

sazogadoebrivi azris

kvlevis Sedegebze ,,saerTo gazeTs”

arCevnebisa da politteqqnologiebis

kvlevis centris

xelmZRRvaneli kaxa kaxiSvili

esaubra.

_ batono kaxa, cota xnis win

erovnul-demokratiulma institutma

(NDI-m) sazogadoebrivi

azris kvlevis Sedegebi gamoqvey-

na. ras fiqrobT, kvlevis Sedegebze

da aris raime konkretuli,

romelsac gamoyofdiT?

_ me, piradad, kvlevaSi ramdenime

mniSvnelovan faqtors gamovyofdi.

Ppirveli is, rom sazogadoeba,

rogorc kvlevis Sedegebidan

gamoCnda, saqarTveloSi arsebuli

socialuri mdgomareobiT

isev ukmayofiloa. xolo, meores

mxriv, roca wminda politikuri

xasiaTis SekiTxvebia, dasmulia

vxedavT, rom mosaxleobis nawili,

maincdamainc gulwrfeli ar

aris Riad poziciis dafiqsirebas

erideba.

_ NDI-is mier dasmul SekiTxvaze_aris

Tu ara saqarTveloSi

demokratia, gamokiTxulTa

43% Tvlis, rom saqarTveloSi

demokratia ar aris. Aam mimarTulebiT

viTareba Tebervlis kvlevasTan

SedarebiT gauaresebulia.

maSin es maCvenebeli 34% iyo.

rogor fiqrobT, viTarebis gauareseba

biZina ivaniSvilis irgvliv

ganviTarebulma procesebma

xom ar ganapiroba?

_ kiTxvaSi ori faqtoria gamosayofi.

erTis mxriv, respondentebis

nawili, romelic ambobs,

rom qveyanaSi aris demokratia,

xolo meore nawili, romelic

ambobs, rom saqarTveloSi

ar icis, aris Tu ara demokratia_

es maCvenebeli kvlevis mixedviT

18%. adamianebis is raodenoba,

romelic acxadebs, rom

ar icis saqarTveloSi aris Tu

ara demokratia, niSnavs imas, rom

isini qveyanaSi demokratiis niSnebs

ver xedaven da im adamianebis

kategorias miekuTvnebian,

romlebic Tvlian, rom CvenTan

demokratia ar arsebobs. amitom

erTobliobaSi 43+18%= 61%, es

ki saxarbieleo maCvenebeli namdvilad

ar aris.

_ erovnul-demokratiuli institutis

mier gamoqveynebul

kvlevaSi dasmulia aseTi SekiTxva:

,,biZina ivaniSvilis gancxadebiT,

arCevnebSi gayalbebis SemTx-

vevaSi, is mouwodebs xalxs qu-

Cis saprotesto aqciisken. dau-

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amgvar mowodebas”? gamokiTxul-

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imasTan dakavSirebiT,

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saparlamento debatebs

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raTa ucxoelebis, sazogadoebis

TvalSi, ,,qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri warmoaCinon, rogorc radikaluri

politikosi. NDI-s Tu

xalxis ganwyoba ainteresebda qu-

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ratom iyo gakeTebuli? ratom ar

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arCevnebis Sedegebis gamocxadebis

Semdeg ra situacia iqneba da yovelTvis

sabolood protestis

misaRebi forma quCis aqciebia.

_ kvlevaSi ar moxvda kontrolis

palatis bolodroindeli

qmedebebi, ratom, ra aris amis

mizezi?

_ luis navarom gviTxra, rom

maSin, rodesac kvlevisTvis kiTxvarebi

muSavdeboda, kontrolis

palata aseTi aqtiuri ar iyo. Cemi

azriT, erovnul-demokratiul

instituts ar undoda xalxis

sakmaod didi nawilis ukmayofileba

dafiqsirebuliyo aRniSnuli

samsaxuris mimarT.

_ NDI-s wina kvlevebTan SedarebiT,

kiTxvaze pasuxi ,,ar vici”

mniSvnelovnad Semcirebulia.

ra aris mizezi?

_ gaaCnia, am SemTxvevaSi ,,ar

vicis: respodentebi saiT gadaixarnen

uaryofiTi Tu dadebiTi

poziciisken da amis garkveva

mniSvnelovania.

gasagebia aseTi kategoriis

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maCvenebeli ufro uaryofiTisken

kaxa kaxa kaxiSvili:

NDI-is saSualebiT xelisufleba

saerTaSoriso asparezze biZina

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gadaixreboda, radgan qveyanaSi

Seqmnili socialuri mdgomareobiT

Zalian bevri adamiania ukmayofili.

_ rogor fiqrobT, kvlevis

Sedegebi gavlenas moaxdens arCevnebze?

_ aseTi tipis kvlevebs ori

saxis daniSnuleba aqvs. pirveli,

is, rom garkveuli azri sazogadoebis

SigniT Seqmnan, xolo,

meores mxriv, saerTaSoriso asparezze

saqarTveloSi arsebuli

viTarebis Sesaxeb azris formireba

moxdes. is, rom gamokiTxulTa

75% arCevnebSi monawileobas

apirebs, namdvilad

kargi maCvenebelia da igi xelisuflebis

mcdelobas _ gaayalbos

arCevnebi, mniSvnelovnad amcirebs.

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programa. ismis kiTxva: ra

mimarTebaSia merabiSvilis es

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wina msgavs dokumentebTan?

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movidnen programiT

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arc es iyo programa.

ra moxda, Seasrules maT

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wlebze iyo gaTvaliswinebuli,

es axali ki uaxloes

oTx welzea gaTvlili. ra

mimarTebaSia erTi meoresTan

– sruliad gaugebaria. 2012

wlis TebervalSi prezidenti

saakaSvili gamovida parlamentSi

da gaaJRera 5 punqtiani

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mxolod 3 punqtze isaubra.

am SemTxvevaSi arc am

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parlamentSi gamosvlisas

axalma premier-ministrma

Tqva, rom mas statistika saerTod

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ar esmis statistikis saWiroeba

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romelic qveyanaSia, gayalbebulia!

cxadia, rac gayalbebulia,

is aravis ar

sWirdeba...

aqedan gamomdinare, nacionalebis

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cota xnis win gaaJRera

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laparakobs soflis

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mimarTa xalxs da

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ar mogayenebT da

vauCerebs ar dagirigebTo.

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im dros, roca kritikuli

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es sistematiur xasiaTs

iRebs wlebis ganmavlobaSi,

es niSnavs imas, rom mTavroba

ar gegmavs arc socialuri

politikis SemuSavebas,

arc energetikuli politi


#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

kis SemuSavebas da arc sxva

sferosi.

ivaniSvili ki xalxs

hpirdeba, rom mosaxleobas

eqneba iseTi xelfasi da pensiebi,

rom Tavad SeZleben

Tavis rCenas. misi azriT, pensia

ar unda iyos saarsebo

minimumze naklebi.

xelisuflebis azriT ki

sapensio paketi unda iyos

asi dolaris Sesabamisi. Cem-

Tvis gaugebaria, ratom saubrobs

mTavroba dolarebze,

roca erovnuli valuta aris

lari? an ratom unda iyos

sapensio paketi asi dolaris

Sesabamisi da ara Tavad pensia?

imitom xom ara, rom sapensio

paketSi Seiyvanon

dazRvevac da vauCeric?

saarsebo minimumi is maCvenebelia,

romelsac dRes

mTavroba araferSi ar iyenebs,

ar sWirdeba.

ivaniSvilis gundis dapireba,

rom saarsebo minimumi

dRes orasoc lars Seadgens

da amaze naklebi pensia qveyanaSi

ar unda iyos, ufro realurad

mimaCnia. Tumca, minda

vnaxo maTi programa, rom

am orasoc larianma pensiam

ar gamoiwvios SemdgomSi inflacia

da lari ar gaufasurdes.

-ministrebis Secvla moitans

raime sikeTes?

-araferi ar Secvlila,

moxda mxolod gadaadgileba,

rac Seexeba dasaqmebis ministrs,

is fizikurad ver

moaswrebs winasaarCevno periodSi

raimes gakeTebas imitom,

rom mas sWirdeba sakanonmdeblo

baza da zafxul-

Si ki parlamenti ar muSaobs.

amdenad, es axali posti ministrisa

_ formaluria.

-danarCen `karuselze~ ra

SeiZleba iTqvas?

-SaSkini risi specialistia,

cixeebis, ganaTlebis Tu

Tavdacvis? gaugebaria. rac

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ver iqneba Zlieri

premieri imitom, rom mas daakargvines

kontroli Sinagan

saqmeTa saministroze. misi

ndobiT aRWurvili piri rom

daeniSnaT ministrad, is sakmaod

gaZlierdeboda. baCo axalaiam

ki sakadro cvlilebebi

moaxdina, ramac merabiSvilis

poziciebi Seasusta. vfiqrob,

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daungries mTeli sistema,

romliTac is amayobda.

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rom merabiSvilma sistema

aawyo biZina ivaniSvilis SemweobiT

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hqonda.

-ekonomikuri programa

qveyanas ratom ar gaaCnia?

-imitom, rom erTi kacis

axirebazea yvelaferi damokidebuli.

magaliTad, unda

“lazika” da unda aSendes!

SeiZleba am proeqtze seriozulad

vilaparakoT? cxadia,

ara. xelisuflebas ar aqvs

qveynis ganviTarebis realuri

gegma.

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Cevnebisagan, SeZlebs ki biZina

ivaniSvili qveynis gadar-

Cenas? samwuxaro ar aris is

faqti, rom mas evroparlamentSic

oligarqi uwodes?

-saqme is gaxlavT, rom

seriozuli politikuri TamaSi

mimdinareobs rogorc

CvenSi, ise ucxoeTSi. vidre

ivaniSvili gamoCndeboda,

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ityoda, imas apiarebdnen mis

mier Cveni fuliT daqiravebuli

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ki lobistebs sakuTari xarjebiT

afinansebs. evroparlamentSi

Tu mas oligarqi uwodes,

es dids arafers niSnavs,

mosyiduli da daqiravebuli

xalxi marto saqarTveloSi

xom ar aris?

is, rasac dRes xelisufleba

ivaniSvils ukeTebs,

aris yovelgvari kanondarRveva,

samarTlianobaze ki laparakic

zedmetia. mas qonebis

nawili dauyadaRes, surT

auqcionze gauyidon da a.S.

erTaderTi resursi rac

mas qveyanaSi gaaCnia, es aris

_ qarTveli xalxi, romelsac

ebrZvis saakaSvili! amitom

Tu xalxi moindomebs, qveyanaSi

seriozuli cvlilebebi

iqneba.

me am pirovnebaSi ara imdenad

politikur figuras

vxedav, ramdenadac saqarTvelos

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SeuZlebelia, amitom qveyana-

Si unda moxdes siaxle am

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Cveni erisaTvis aris biZina

ivaniSvili da Tu man am ar-

CevnebSi ver gaimarjva, kidev

mraval wels viqnebiT “nacionalur”

uZraobaSi!

eTer

kasreliSvili

gogi TofaZe: is, rac karaleTSi

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unda davinaxoT. nebismieri xelisufleba,

iqneba demokratiuli, Tu

avtoritaruli, yovelTvis cdilobs

xalxs Tavi moawonos

motyuebiT, piariT da a.S. Cveni

xelisufleba iseT stadiaSia,

roca mas xalxis azri aRar

ainteresebs. man icis, rom

mxolod daSinebiTa da teroriT

SeiZleba miaRwios sasurvels.

Tumca verafers ver miaRweven.

rodesac xelisufleba

kargavs kontrols sakuTar Tavze

da ignorirebas ukeTebs xalxis

azrs, is, praqtikulad, ganwirulia.

„qarTuli ocnebis“ maisurebi

acviaT da midian yvelanair provokaciaze,

erTi suli aqvT, rogorme

avyveT da mere es gamosvlebi iseve

CaaxrCon sisxlSi,. rogorc 26

maisis, 7 noembris aqciebi. karale-

Tis da mereTis incidentebi imisTvis

gakeTda, rom xalxi daaSinon

da goris aqciaze ar mivides. mag-

ram qarTlelebs ver SeaSineben.

SiSis sindromi moxsnilia. xalxma

dainaxa, rom SeiZleba raRac gveSvelos.

qarTli Cveni qveynis beRelia.

gaxsovT, rogori soflebi iyo,

ramdeni sawarmo da qarxana muSaobda.

axla yvelaferi dangreulia.

rodesac xelisufleba eTanxmeba

Tavisi qveynis ekonomikis dangrevas,

es ukve genocidis tolfasia,

is wiravs mosaxleobas SimSiliT

sikvdilisTvis. Tu ekonomika

ar aris ganviTarebuli, ver ganvi-

Tardeba verc mecniereba, verc

kultura, verc sporti da a.S.

is, rac xdeba saqarTveloSi, gansakuTrebiT

ki soflad, es aris

qarTveli xalxis genocidi.

glexma moiyvana xilis saocari

mosavali da ar icis, sad Caabaros.

ulpeba mosavali. 140-mde

sakonservo qarxana iyo saqarTveloSi.

SeiZleba bevri maTgani ar

iyo Tanamedrove teqnologiebze

damyarebuli, magram magis gakeTebas

ra unda?! Cveni unikaluri gemovnuri

Tvisebebis xili uqmad

lpeba da vaSli argentinidan Semoaqvs

am mTavrobas. Cvens produqcias

klaven, rom viRacas bazari

gauTavisuflon. amiT mosaxleobis

50%-s, romlebic soflad cxovroben,

saarsebo saSualebas uspob.

80-ian wlebSi gorSi aSenda Tanamedrove

xilis gadamamuSavebeli

qarxana da me TviTon gamqonda

germaniaSi qarTuli vaSlis wveni

cisternebiT. kidev undodaT germanelebs

waReba, magram vaSlis

plantaciebi gaiCexa, qarxana ganadgurda.

ase iRupeba ekonomika, razec

dgas qveyana.

Cven erTaderTi qveyana varT,

sadac genmodificirebuli produqcia

ar markirdeba. Cven imdens mivaRwieT,

rom sabaJoze kontroli

movspeT, markireba ar gvaqvs. anu

moiwamleT, mokvdiTo, _ gveubneba

xelisufleba.

Cven didi xania vxedavT, rom

ufskrulis piras migviyvana nacionalurma

moZraobam da dRes, qvey-

nis gadarCenis, aRorZinebis Sansi,

romelic gamoCnda aucileblad unda

gamoviyenoT. rezo amaSukeliviT

uSiSrad rom ibrZodes yvela, aseT

mdgomareobaSi ar viqnebodiT.

unda aRorZindes soflis meurneoba

da Sesabamisad aRorZindeba

mrewveloba. mTeli evropa meore

msoflio omis Semdeg aRdga swored

soflis meurneobis

meSveobiT. batoni biZinas

iniciativa soflis meurneobis

aRorZinebis Sesaxeb

pirdapir moipara nacionalebma.

soflis dangreva

daiwyo 96-96

wlebSi. maSin mrewvelebi

bevrs vkamaTobdiT am sakiTxze.

vidre merabiSvili

premierad dainiSneboda,

manamde soflis ganadgurebaze

werdnen nacionalebis

da benduqiZis

eqspertebi. manipulireben

raRac cifrebiT, mohyvaT

magalitebi, rom evropaSi

soflis produqtebi mxolod

7-8% Seadgens. rac

mamali tyuilia. magaliTad SveicariaSi

yvelaze didi investiciebi

soflis meurneobaSi ideba, faqtiurad

dotaciazea ayvanili. rogor

gvatyueben ase urcxvad, maSin, roca

mTel msoflioSi cnobilia Sveicariis

yveli da xorci.

ar grcxveniaT, rom gveubnebiT,

sad gayidiT gadamuSavebul nawarmso,

genmodificirebuli iyideba

da qarTuli xili, tomati ar gava?

kitri vietnamidan SemoaqvT da

xaxvi da niori egviptidan, ra Cveni

ar SeiZleba gvqondes?! magram

specialurad mokles qarTuli sofeli.

uperspeqtivos rom uwodeben

sofels, magaze unda moeTxovos

pasuxi da Tu yvelaferi mSvidobianad

damTavrda oqtomberSi,

me, piradad, movTxov maT amaze pasauxs.

dRes ra iaponias ar gaaqvs

Cveni mwvanili da mawoni? an ratom

mihyavT arabebs Cveni cxvari,

imitom, rom alpur zonaSi gazrdil

cxvars sxva

monacemebi aqvs.

xorcs ver gavyidoT

Tundac CvenTan? ma-

Sin, roca saRebaviT

gajerebuli Cai da

soioTi savse gadamuSavebuli

xorcis

produqcia Semodis

saqarTveloSi. an kidev

zeTi, romelic

ararafinirebuli

da aTasgvari minarevebiTaa

savse. mzesumziras

miaqvs mTeli

qarTli da kaxe-

Ti. am dros. ra, ar

gvqonda cximkombinati, romelic

zeTsac awarmoebda da karaqsac?!

Cai mokles dasavleT saqarTvelo-

Si, gurulebi da megrelebi dRes

TurqeTSi gadadian plantaciaSi

samuSaod, raRac alternativa mainc

mieciT, rom xalxi aRar gaiqces

qveynidan. im plantaciebis adgilas

simindi gaaSenebine, zeTsaxdeli

auge da aRar dagvWirdeba

sxva qveynidan Semotana, simindis

zeTi xom dRes yvelaze popularulia

msoflioSi.

saerTo gazeTi

benduqiZe wers, rom Zalian cota

miwa gvqonia saqarTveloSi. aba,

ra iqneba, mTeli 15 welia sarwyav

sistemebs angrevdnen da gahqondaT

qveynidan, iseve rogorc xe-tye,

melioracia sruliad mospes.

aba, aRdges es sistemebi Tu

ar gvaqvs saxnav-saTesi an sa-

Zovrebi. Sublis ZarRvi aRar

aqvs am xelisuflebas, atyueben

mosaxleobas da mgoni, miSasac,

is xom azrze ar aris, saerTod,

ra xdeba qveynad.

gamoacxada merabiSvilma, is

xom SedarebiT Wkviani kacia, kargi

menejeri, rom sofeli aris prioritetuli.

axla, naxeT, ra statiebs

dawers is xalxi, romelic er-

Ti Tvis win soflis meurneobis

wamgebianobaze gvesaubrebodnen.

sindisi aRar aqvT.

Tu SevSindiT, maSin aRaraviTari

perspeqtiva aRar gvaqvs, morCeba

saqarTvelo. ukan daxevis Sansi

aRar aris. sasowarkveTilebamdea

misuli raionis mosaxleoba. swored

soflebidan garbis mosaxleoba.

vazi aaCexines, Cai aaCexines,

xils ver yidis da ra unda qnas

qarTvelma glexma, banans xom ar

moiyvans?! erTi patara qarxana erT

sofels inaxavs da migracia aRar

xdeba. raWaSi muxis xavss vamzadebdiT,

romelc sunamos fiqsatorad

gamoiyeneba parfiumeriaSi, oqroT

Semodioda valuta. samegreloSi

Jasminis zeTs, vardis zeTs vamzadebdiT.

es yvelaferi ucxoeTSi

gadioda. 14 aseTi qarxana iyo da

30000 kaci iyo dasaqmebuli. yvelaferi

ganadgurda. erTi moiyvaneT

benduqiZe, vekamaTo soflis

aRorZinebaze. biZinaze rom laparakobs,

TviTon rusuli fuliT ar

aris Camosuli?! erTi lari mainc

Tu aqvs daxarjuli qvelmoqmedeba-

Si?!

wyali Zalian bevria saqarTveloSi,

magram sistemaa gasakeTebeli,

rom mosaxleobas hqondes. gamgeblebi

marto hpirdebian, rom gaakeTeben

da gadis wlebi. sami welia

soflebSi gazia Seyvanili da

700 lars sTxoven glexs, saxlSi

rom gadaiyvanos. sada aqvs soflis

macxovrebels 700 lari? an riTi

unda gadaixados gadasaxadi zam-

TarSi, gasaTbobad rom moixmaros

gazi. mTeli tye xom Cinelebs mihyides

da xalxs SeSa veRar moaqvs.

18 weli evaWra ruseTi msoflio

savaWro organizacias, vidre

Tavisi pirobebi ar miaRebina. Cven

ki ise Segvyares, arc ki vicodiT,

ras niSnavda es organizacia. pirveli

rasac ivaniSvili gaakeTebs,

esaa laboratoriebi, raTa ar Semovides

genmodificirebuli da

uxarisxo produqcia.

ar SeiZleba Cvennairma patara

qveyanam turizmi ekonomikis burjad

warmovidginoT. kargia svane-

Ti, mTa-TuSeTi, romelic ukve gamoacxades

erovnul parkad da male

CamogvaWrian, SemdgomSi isini

gamoiyeneben turizmisaTvis, magram

turizmiT qveyanas ver SevinaxavT.

es mxolod prezidentis survilia,

radgan sofeli mokla da raRac

orientiri xom unda hqondes. Tumca

ekoturizmis nacvlad seqsturizmi

miviReT aWaraSi.

`kavkasia~

13


14 saerTo gazeTi #32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa ``TTaavviissuuffaallii ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss~~

lliiddeerrii kaxa kukava::

_ kaxa, Tqvens partias bevri

pro-rusuls uwodebs, Tumca bevri

politikosi amtkicebs rom mizezTa

da mizezTa gamo pro-rusuli

swored xelisuflebaa. maSin,

rogor axerxebs igi aSS-s, evroparlamentis

mxardaWeris mopovebas

da amavdroulad pro-rusulad

yofnas, gamodis, rom or skamze

zis, Tu es realurad erTi skamia

da Cveni Tvalis asaxvevad orad

gamoiyureba?

_ sinamdvileSi, vfiqrob, ruseTi

saqarTvelos saSinao politikaSi

moTamaSe saerTod ar aris.

mas Semdeg, rac maT 1991 wels

gamsaxurdias damxobaSi miiRes monawileoba,

realurad, ruseTi qar-

Tul Sida politikaSi ar Careula.

vfiqrob, am Temaze saubari,

rac bolo 20 welia grZeldeba,

ubralod insinuaciaa. Tu ruseTs

msgavsi interesebi aqvs, maSin es

raRacaSi xom unda gamoxatos. meorec,

bolo 20 welia xelisuflebis

cvlilebebi, arCevnebis gayalbebebi

ruseTis monawileobis

gareSe mimdinareobs. amitom, mgonia,

rom is vinc am konteqstSi

ruseTze saubrobs ubralod TaRliTia.

rac Seexeba pro-rusulobas,

iseve rogorc bevri sxva ram,

es terminic pirobiTia _ gaaCnia

vin, ras gulisxmobs. xelisufleba

iZaxis, TiTqos romelime partias

rusuli tankebis Semoyvana

surda, es absurdia. es vinmes, rom

ndomoda, rusuli tankebi TiTqmis

diRomSi iyvnen da amas advilad

moaxerxebda. 2008 wlis agvistos,

rodesac ruseTis xelisufleba

saakaSvils daemuqra, maT misi damxoba

imitom gadaifiqres, rom

praqtikulad ar aRmoCnda politikuri

Zala, romelic xelisuflebas

sakuTar Tavze aiRebda. rusebi

mixvdnen, tankebiT Semosvlis

SemTxvevaSi Zalauflebas veravin

gadaibarebda. amitom, SeiZleba, axla

axia Cvenze, prezidentisgan am

braldebebs rom vismenT, magram

faqtia, maSin saakaSvili Cven gadavarCineT.

_ kaxa, weRan axseneT, ruse-

Tisgan mtris xati Seqmneso. bolo

perodia ruseTi mudmivad gaiZaxis

_ ar davelaparakebiT saakaSvilso.

es mtris xatis Seqmna gana orive

mxares ar awyobs _ saakaSvilsac

da ruseTsac?

_ mogaxsenebT. SeiZleba mtris

xatic awyobT, es logikac arsebobs.

magram ufro mTavaria, rom

did imperiebs TavianTi TamaSis wesebi

aqvT. is, rom saakaSvilis

brZanebiT cxinvalSi rus samSvidoboebs

cecxli gauxsnes, amis pasuxi

ruseTis mxridan SeiZleba

mxolod da mxolod is iyos, rom

saakaSvili moRvaweobas haagis

tribunaze daasrulebs. Tu isini

amas ver moaxerxeben, es saakaSvil-

Tan mimarTebaSi ki ar iqneba miu-

Rebeli, aramed es ruseTis imperias

daasrulebs. Tu imperias aseT

raRacebs ubedaven, maSin is iSleba.

daakvirdiT, muamar kadafim 30

wlis win britaneTis Tavze ameri-

iranis Sahis kari TeTrma saxlma Secvala,

sadac qarTvelebi erTmaneTs asmenen...

kuli TviTmfrinavi aafeTqa.

am periodSi araer-

Ti mcdelobis miuxedavad,

kadafis reJimis neitralizeba

ver moxerxda,

magram bolos yvelam

vnaxeT rac moxda.

igive daemarTa bin ladens,

huseins. es imperiebis wesia

_ yvela, vinc mis winaaRmdeg xelis

aRmarTvas gabedavs, is unda

ganadgurdes. amitom mixeil saakaSvilma

2008 wlis agvistoSi

rac gaakeTa, Zviri daujdeba.

_ Tumca, 2008 wlis agvistos-

Tvis ideologiurad didi xniT

adre emzadeboda saakaSvili. Tundac,

kodoris xeoba gavixsenoT.

_ ki, ki, saakaSvili emzadeboda

am yvelafrisTvis. sxvaTa Soris

unda iTqvas, rom saakaSvilis

gadasaxedidan 2008 wlis omi man

marTlac moigo. ra Tqma unda, saqarTvelom

waago es omi, magram

saakaSvilma moigo. iciT ratom? _

xandaxan amas Tavad ambobs, wamoscdeba

xolme. man Tqva _ sanam avlabris

rezidenciaze saqarTvelos

droSa frialebs, manamde araferi

gvemuqrebao.

imitom,

r o m

misTvis saqarTvelo

es

avlabris reziden-

ciaa. Tu saakaSvili avlabris rezidenciaSi

zis e.i. yvelaferi rigzea.

Tu baTums Turqebi waiReben,

axalqalaqs _ somxebi, marneuls _

azerbaijanelebi, cxinvals osebi

da a.S. _ es misTvis problema

araa, mTavaria TviTon ijdes TbilisSi.

amitomac 2008 wlis agvistoSi

man es omi daiwyo imitom,

rom mas sWirdeba ruseTTan konfliqti

dasavleTTan poziciebis gasamyareblad.

sanam igi antirusuli

lideria, mas bevri ram epatieba.

_ kaxa, weRan axseneT Tu ruseTs

interesebi aqvs es raRacaSi

xom unda gamoxatos. mTeli qar-

Tuli ekonomika saakaSvilma ruseTs

rom gadasca, es faqtori ar

aris?

_ Cemi azriT, mTeli ekonomika

dRes Cinelebis xelSia. is, rac

rusebis xelSia _ absoluturad

umniSvnelo da araarsebiTia.

_ opoziciaSi aris xalxi, romelTa

mTavari strategia, prezidentis

Secvlis mizani SemdegSi

gamoixateba _ saakaSvili aSS-Si

daasminon, TiTqos igi pro-rusulia,

magram es warmatebiT ar dasruldeba

imitom, rom adamianebi,

vinc amas cdiloben jer-jerobiT

ceerus leitenantebi arian, saakaSvilma

ki cru-s polkovnikobas

miaRwia. saakaSvilma aSS-s iseTi

ram gaukeTa, rac vercerTma sxva

mokavSirem ver gaakeTa _ Suagul

kavkasiaSi, axlo aRmosavleTTan

Zalian axlos for-posti Seqmna,

sadac amerikelebs sruli kartblanSi

aqvT. aseTi kartblanSi

aSS-s arc saudis arabeTSi, arc

pakistanSi, arc iordaniaSi da arc

arsad ar aqvs a.S. amitom mixeil

saakaSvils isini ar gawiraven.

_ magram gavixsenoT medvedevis

gancxadeba, roca man Tqva _ agvistos

omis periodSi dartyma rom

ar gagvexorcielebina saqarTvelo-

Si nato Semovidodao. anu amiT saakaSvilma

ruseTis saqme gaakeTa?

_ ki, ra Tqma unda, Sedegi ase

gamovida. es samarTliani SeniSvnaa

da am arguments viziareb. ubralod,

saakaSvilma es Tavisi inte-

resebidan gamomdinare gaakeTa _

mas sWirdeba ruseTTan konfliqti,

raTa dasavleTis mxardaWera

SeinarCunos. Tu igi antirusuli

iqneba, yovelTvis aSS-s mxardaWera

eqneba. magram meore mxriv, aSSm

saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi

strategiuli Secdomebi dauSva,

roca maT TavianTi reJimis mxarda-

Wera daiwyes. imitom, rom moklevadian

perspeqtivaSi ki gaamarTla,

hyavT Tavisi reJimi, magram maT

CvenTan Zalian bevri oponenti gaiCines,

rac 1, 7 Tu 10 weliwadSi

aucileblad gamoixateba politikur

ZalTa konfiguraciaSi da Cveni

politikuri sistema ramdenime

weliwadSi aucileblad gaxdeba

amerikidan distancirebuli. es sazogadoebis

dakveTaa. vfiqrob, am

kuTxiT amerikelebma Zalian waages.

rac Tqven TqviT, zustad egaa

_ maT undodaT saqarTvelo natos

wevri yofiliyo. saakaSvilma statusi

dauwia _ saqarTvelo agvistos

omis Semdgom natos wevri

qveyana veRar gaxdeba da rac mTavaria,

aSS-s qarTuli sazogadoebrivi

azris saxiT seriozuli oponenti

gauCnda.

_kaxa, miuxedavad am yvelafrisa

xelisufleba gvarwmunebs, rom

dRe dReze natoSi SevalT da ruseTisgan

daculni viqnebiT, magram

vin dagvicavs Tavad natosgan?

_ Zalian kargi SekiTxvaa. jer

erTi natoSi saqarTvelos Sesvlis

Sansi nulovania. vin daicavs

saqarTvelos? _gaaCnia ras vgulisxmobT.

avlabars, rusebi Tavs

ar daesxmian, afxazeTsa da cxinvals

ki amerikelebi ar daesxmebian.

anu saomari araferi darCa, is

sazRvrebi, romelic dRes dafiqsirebulia

saqarTvelos teritoriaze,

moskovisTvisac da vaSingtonisTvisac

misaRebia. es ar aris misaRebi

qarTveli erisTvis, magram

saakaSvilisTvis misaRebia. am

TvalsazrisiT, Zalian tragikuli

eri varT. bolo ramdenime saukunea

mudmivad vkargavT teritoriebs.

ase, ra Tqma unda, SeiZleba

gavqreT kidec. amitom mTavaria

Cveni sazRvrebi gadavarCinoT. imitom,

rom es 50-100wlis Semdeg

iseve Teoriuli ambavi iqneba, rogorc

dRes tao-klarjeTi da saingilo.

istoriul konteqstSi,

saqarTvelos natoSi gawevrianeba

2015 Tu 2045 wels moxdeba, mniSvnelovani

ar aris, magram Zalian

mniSvnelovania darCeba

Tu ara afxazeTi

saqarTvelos

SemadgenlobaSi.sinamd-

ruseTs dRes saqarTvelos

dapyrobis Tavi ar aqvs,

amerikas ki amis resursi gaaCnia

vileSi ise ar aris mowyobili

samyaro, rogorc `rusTavi-2~ aCvenebs

_ TiTqos aSS frTiani angelozia

da rusebi satanebi, ase ar

aris. sinamdvileSi, rogorc

Tqvenc TqviT, ra Tqma unda, unda

gveSinodes natosi. Tavis droze

rusebi saqarTveloSi, rogorc

iranelebisgan damcvelebi, ise movidnen

da mere gaxdnen namdvili

dampyroblebi. zustad aseTive vi-

Tarebaa axla, oRond iranis magivrad

ruseTia da viTom misgan dasacavad

amerikelebi modian, romlebic

mTavari dampyroblebi arian.

ruseTs dRes aRar aqvs imis Tavi,

rom saqarTvelo daipyros, amerikas

ki amis resursi aqvs.

_ kaxa, xom ar niSnavs es, imas,

rom aSS-s da ruseTs ukve didi

xania saqarTveloSi gavlenis sferoebi

gadanawilebuli aqvT...

_ aSS-sTvis afxazeTi da cxinvali,

ubralod, zedmeti Tavis

tkivilia. saqarTvelos xelisuflebisTvis

aseve misaRebia dRevan-

deli status-qvo imitom, rom saakaSvilma

Tqva, mTavaria avlabari

aris saqarTvelos teritoriis

sazRvrebSio. amitom masac naklebad

anaRvlebs dabrundeba Tu ara

afxazeTi da cxinvali saqarTvelos

SemadgenlobaSi. erTaderTi

visac es viTareba ar awyobs, ruseTia.

ruseTma afxazeTSi da cxinvalSi

konfliqtebi daiwyo, raTa

saqarTveloze gavlena SeenarCunebina.

vinc ambobs, rom ruseTs

oCamCireSi porti sWirdebao, igi

eqsperti ki ara, ubralod uwignuri

adamiania da kavkasiis istoriaSi

araferi waukiTxavs. oCamCire

arasdros aranairi strategiuli

punqti ar yofila. ruseTisTivs

afxazeTi da samxreT oseTi es iyo

danarCen saqarTveloze zewolis

berketi. gamsaxurdia, romelsac

tyuilis Tqma ar sCveoda, ambobda

_ mirekavs gorbaCovi da meubneba_

an axal samokavSiro xelSekrulebaSi

Semodi an afxazeTs da samxreT

oseTs wagarTmevo. ruseTma

scno afxazeTis da samxreT-oseTis

damoukidebloba da amiT gaaZliera

es berketi. Tu saqarTvelo ityvis_

ki, batono, gqondeT Tqven

afxazeTi da samxreT-oseTi da Cven

amerikuli gavlenis zonaSi davr-

CebiT, es ruseTs ar awyobs. ruseTs

klde-RorRiani soflebi ar

sWirdeba, aramed saqarTvelo, romelic

samxreT-kavkasiaze gavlenis

berketia. amitomac putinma Tqva _

ruseTi mzadaa afxazeTis da samxreT-oseTis

statusi xelaxla ganixiloso.

_ kaxa, saSinao politikaze Tu

visaubrebT, bevri aRniSnavs haerSi

revoluciis suni trialebso.

Tqven Tu grZnobT am suns?

_ samwuxarod, es suni ar

trialebs, Tumca Zalian kargi iqneboda

Tu itrialebda. diqtatoruli

reJimebi revoluciis gare-

Se ar Seicvleba. revolucia ar

niSnavs, rom maincdamainc kreiserma

avroram zalpi esrolos qveynis

mTavrobis rezidencias. revolucia

aris, rodesac xalxi kanonis

CarCoebidan gamodis. sxvanairad

avtoritaruli reJimebi ar icvleba.

Tu kanoniT imoqmedeb, yvela

jarimas gadaixdi da xels mouwer

yvela oqmze, danamdvilebiT SeiZleba

vTqvaT, ase xelisufleba ar

Seicvleba.

_ kaxa, alianszec minda gki-

TxoT, ra kriteriumebiT SearCieT-

`TeTrebi~ da `tradicionalistebi~?

_ mniSvnelovania, `Tavisufalma

saqarTvelom~ partniorebTan

erTad realurad SeZlos qarTveli

sazogadoebas arCevani misces.

bolo 20 welia xalxs eubnebian

_airCie, marto pro-amerikul liberalur

partiebs Soriso. Cven,

principulad gansxvavebul arCevans

vTavazobT sazogadoebas _ es aris

arCevani ara imaze, Tu vin ukeTesi

marionetuli reJimi iqneba aSSsTan

mimarTebaS, aramed arCevani,

romelic saqarTvelos damoukideblobas

gulisxmobs. or ZiriTad

punqtze vTanamSromlobT _ erTi

esaa ideologiuri _ ar viziarebT

qveynis ganviTarebis im gzas, romelic

aSS-m da vaSingtonma Tavs

mogvaxvia, ar viziarebT liberalur

faseulobebs da migvaCnia,

rom erovnuli faseulobebi, interesebi

unda iyos saqarTvelos ganviTarebis

fundamenti da ar unda

viyoT viRacis danamati, ar unda

vimarTebodeT sxva qveynebidan.

Tamar SveliZe


#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

gaumjobesebeli saarCevno

garemosa dda aseTi garemos gamo

arCevnebze mosaloddneli

ddarRvevebis Taobaze gvesaubreba

qalTa samoqalaqo moZraoba

`Tamarionis” gamgeobis wevri

dda arasamTavrobo organizacia

“Tavisufali arCevanis” Tavmjddomare

_ qalbattoni manana

biwaZe-miqelaZe. qalbattoni

manana imavddrouladd “saarCevno

siebis ddazusttebis kkomisiis”

wevric gaxlavT.

_ qalbatono manana, Tqveni

organizacia wlebia monawileobT

arCevnebSi. amJamad, m.kacitaZis

xelmZRvanelobiT, “amomrCevelTa

siebis dazustebis”

komisiis” wevric brZandebiT,

rogorc arasamTavrobo seqtoris

warmomadgeneli da Tqvens

pozicias (realuri opozicionerobis

Taobaze, radgan komisiaSi

viTom opoziciiis wevrebic

arian) komisiis winaSe Riadac

afiqsirebT. ra mdgomareobaa

dRes ybadaRebuli saarCevno

garemos gaumjobesebis

kuTxiT. kidev erTxel gayalbdeba

Tu ara oqtomberSi daniSnuli

saparlamento arCvenebi?

_ 2012 wlis arCevnebisadmi

gansakuTrebiT maRali interesi

aRaravis akvirvebs,

radgan wels qarTulma sazogadoebam

demokratiis e.w testi

unda Caabaros _ moxdeba Tu

ara xelisuflebis mSvidobiani

cvla, Tu avtoritaruli reJimis

sabolood damyarebisa da

damkvidrebis gziT wava qveyana.

demokratiuli procesis stabilurobis

erT-erT umTavres garantias

Tavisufali da samarTliani

arCvenebis gziT xelisuflebis

Secvla warmoadgens.

Tavad saarCevno procesi ki ramodenime

aspeqtisgan Sedgeba.

es aris konkurentunariani saarCevno

garemo, mediapluralizmi,

daxvewili saarCevno

kodeqsi, dazustebuli amorCevelTa

siebi da sxva.

samwuxarod, ukanaskneli

Tveebis ganmavlobaSi saarCevno

garemo sagrZnoblad damZimda.

rac, pirvel rigSi, imaSi gamoixata,

rom “finansuri monitoringis”

farglebSi kontrolis

palatis mier ganxorcielebuli

RonisZiebebi, samarTliani

arCevnebis saboloo Sedegis

dasadebad politikur subieqtebs

araTanabar pirobebs uqmnis.

ikveTeba, erTis mxriv, erTerTi

subieqtis mier ganxorcielebuli

finansuri operaciebis

totaluri kontroli da

meores mxriv (xelisuflebis

mier) , saxelisuflebo partiis

sasargeblod, sabiujeto

saxsrebis ganukiTxavi gankargva,

razec kontrolis palata

“saeWvod” sdums. es mafiqrebinebs,

rom xelisufleba ver,

an ar flobs situacias, ar

aris mzad cvlilebebisTvis da

ewinaaRmdgeba arCevnebis Cata-

rebis demokratiul process,

rac safrTxis Semcvelia, rogorc

saarCevno procesisaTvis,

aseve qveynis momavlisTvisac.

mmarTveli gundis mier monopolizebuli

media-sivrcec

sazogadoebas mravalferovani

informaciis miRebis saSualebas

ukargavs, riTac irRveva saqarTvelos

konstituciiT mini-

Webuli adamianis ZiriTadi uflebebi

da Tavisuflebebi.

_ garemos gaumjobesebis

nacvlad saarCevno kodeqsSi

“demokratiuli arCevnebis CatarebisTvis”

arcTu saxarbielo

cvlilebebi Sevida.

_ saarCevno kodeqsSi Setanili

cvlilebebi ver uzrunvelyofs

garemos gaumjobesebas.

piriqiT, umetes SemTxvevaSi,

kodeqsis muxlebi kidev

ufro amZimebs arsebul viTarebas.

normaTa bundovaneba ki SeuZlebels

xdis sakiTxis naTlad

gaazrebas, riTac xelisuflebas

diskreciis (TviTnebobis

_ b.a.) saSualeba eZlevaT,

rac aseve kenWisyris dRes

arCevnebis procesze damkvirvebelTa

mxridan saCivris

daweris albaTobas Seamcireb,

riTac xelisuflebas saerTa-

Soriso asparezze arCevnebis

demokratiulad Catarebis iluziiis

SeqmnaSi Seuwyobs xels.

_ aseT faqtebs, rodesac

saerTaSoriso sazogadoeba nacionalur

xelisuflebas ar-

Cevnebs “upravebda” _ araerTi

arCevnebisas ukve SeveswariT.

RmerTma nu hqnas, igive ganmeordes.

_ saarCevno procesis yvelaze

mgrZnobiare Tema saarCevno

siebia. marTalia, partiaTa

SeTanxmebis safuZvelze “amomrCevelTa

siebis dazustebis

komisia” Seiqmna, Tumca warsu-

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

www.saertogazeti.net

SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze

lis uaryofiTi gamocdileba,

zogadad, saxelmwifo komisiebisadmi

da dRevandeli politikuri

mdgomareoba, komisiis

mimarT, sazogadoebaSi garkveul

undoblobas iwvevs.

_ “saxelis gatexvas Tavis

gatexva sjobiao”.

_ komisiam ukve Caatara

“kardakari” (romlis meTodologiac

moamzada ssip- ”saar-

Cevno sistemebis ganviTarebis,

refomebisa da swavlebis centrma”,

mis kontrols, saarCevno

kodeqsis Tanaxmad, cesko

axorcilebs.)

_ ceskos ki xelisufleba

akontrolebs

da ra gamodis, rom

“xelisufleba Tavis

Tavs gaakontrolebs”_

es xom daujerebelia?

_”kardakari” Catarda

mTeli saqarTvelos

masStabiT da komisia

Tavis saboloo produqts,

anu dazustebul

siebs a.w. 1 agvis-

demokratiuli

tos ganasajaroebs. Tumca ukve

pirveladi monacemebis analizic

gviCvenebs, rom xelisuflebas

gadamowmebul amorCevelTa

siaSic rCeba manipulirebis

berketebi.

xelisuflebis `reformatoruli`

politikis Sedegad

Cvens qveyanaSi momravlda

usaxlkaroTa ricxvi.., anu

im moqalaqeTa ricxvi,

romlebmac sxvadasxva

(ZiriTadad sabanko)

problemebis gamo dayides

sacxovrebeli

binebi da amJamad qiriT

an giraoTi cxovroben.

Tu es moqalaqeebi

ar daregistrirdebian axal

misamarTze an ar aiReben

`umisamarTo~ statusis piradobis

mowmobas, isini arCevneb-

Si monawileobis uflebas dakargaven,

radgan meTodologiis

mixedviT maT Zveli sacxovrebeli

adgilidan axali mepatroneebi

amoweren da maTi xmebi

daikargeba.

_ es xmebi 24%-s Seadgens.

es is procenti xom ar aris,

risi garantirebuli imedic xelisuflebas

aqvs?

_ gayalbebis teqnologiebi

wlebis ganmavlobaSi ixveweboda.

erT-erTi warmatebuli me-

Todi ki ararsebuli pirovnebebis

sxvadasxva misamarTze miweraa,

rac wlebis ganmavlobaSi

maRal dividendebs aZlevda xelisuflebas.

komisiis dRevandeli

meTodologia am darRvevebis

gauqmebis saSualebas nawilobriv

iZleva. kerZod, imave

misamarTze registrirebuli

piris gancxadebis safuZvelze,

komisia uflebamosilia siidan

amoiRos ucnobi piri. Tumca

qveyanaSi Seqmnili SiSisa da

undoblobis atmosferos, (an

sxva saeWvo garemoebaTa gamo),

moqalaqeTa nawili uars acxadebs

gancxadebis Sevsebaze, rac

xelisuflebas gayalbebis msuye

niadags uqmnis.

aseve ver xerxdeba axlada-

Senebuli saxlebis macxovrebelTa

umravlesobis aRwera da

dazusteba,radgan binebis umravlesoba

daketilia an remonti

mimdinareobs. ris gamoc dauzustebeli

rCeba am saxlebSi

miwerili pirebis arsebobac.

dangreuli saxlebisa da ararsebul

misamarTebze mcxovrebTa

gadamowmebac SeuZlebelia. xSiria

axali damisamarTebis gamo

saxelSecvlili quCebis Sedegad

piradobis mowmobasa da

faqtobriv mismarTs Soris

cdomilebis arseboba. fiqsirdeba

dublirebuli misamarTebis

faqtebic, anu quCebis gadakveTaze

kuTxis saxlebSi

mcxovrebi mosaxleobis daregistrireba

orive quCaze calcalke.

problemas warmoadgens

arCevnebis Catareba

mxolod xelisuflebis

keTil nebazea damokidebuli

egreT wodebuli `atstupnikebis”

mdgomareobac. maT umravlesobas

saqme sasamarTloSi

aqvT Setanili, saqmis warmoeba

dasrulebuli ar aris, saxlis

mesakuTreebi ki maTi siidan

amoRebas

iTxoven,

ri-

Tac zemoTaRniSnulmoqalaqeebs

ekargebaT

arCevnebSi monawileobis ufleba.

seriozul problemas warmoadgens

Sida migraciac. cxovrebis

gausaZlisma pirobebma

dacala soflebi da mosaxleobis

udidesma nawilma dedaqalaqSi

moiyara Tavi. kenWisyris

dRes maTi raionebSi registraciis

adgilebze Casvla maTTvis

garkveul siZneleebTan, maT

Soris finansurTanac iqneba dakavSirebuli.

opozicias ki, savaraudod,

Tavisi mxardamWerebis

transportiT momsaxureba

mosyidvad CaeTvleba. es xmebis

udidesi raodenobi? dakargvas

gamoiwvevs.

saerTo gazeTi

cnobilia, rom wlebis man-

Zilze xelisufleba warmatebiT

manipulitebda sazRvargareT

myofi moqalaqeebi? monacemebiT.

komisiis meTodologiis

mixedviT, aqac, Tu ojaxis

wevri gancxadebiT ar daadasturebs

pirovnebis sazRvargareT

yofnis faqts, (kvlav xelisuflebis

mimarT SiSisa da

undoblobis gamo) komisia uflebamosilia

sazRvargareT

myofi piris monacemi ucvleli

datovos, rac isev “Sav

xvrels” tovebs siaSi.

mosaxleobis garkveuli nawili

undoblobiT ekideba e.w.

ID baraTebs da maTi aReba ar

surT. aqac amorCevelTa xmebis

dakargvis safrTxe iqmneba, Tuki

xelisufali sapatriarqos

rekomendacias ar gaiTvaliswinebs

da msoflioSi aprobirebuli

meTodiT, mosaxleobas

alternatiuli piradobis mowmobis

aRebis saSualebas ar

miscems. Aamas garda, rogorc

cnobilia, ID baraTSi sacxovrebeli

adgili miTiTebuli ar

aris (igi CipSia moTavsebuli

da misi wakiTxva mxolod kompiuterulad

aris SesaZlebeli),

im SemTxvevaSi, Tu am baraTis

mflobeli siaSi gamotovebuli

aRmoCnda, misi amomrCevelTa

aRricxvis reestrSi,

kardakaris registratoris mier

Seyvana (meTodologiis Sesabamisad)

xdeba ID baraTis

mflobelis mier miTiTebul

misamarTze registrirebuli

moqalqis mxolod zepiri dasturis

safuZvelze, rac, vfiqrob,

garkveul riskebTan aris

dakavSirebuli.

_ qalbatono manana, Tqvens

mier warmodgenili analizidan

ikveTeba, rom “ssip-is” mier

momzadebuli meTodologia

Sorsaa srulyofisagan,

ramdenadac xelisuflebis

sasargeblod saar-

Cevno xmebis gasayalbeblad

masSi uxvadaa

datovebuli “Savi

xvrelebi”. amdenad,

albaT, isev

samoqalaqo sazogadoebissaxelmwifoebrivi

TviT-

Segnebis, pasuxismgeblobisa

da ar-

Cevnebze mosaxleobis

sruli mobilizaciis

imedi unda

viqonioT.

_ Cemi gamocdileba

da procesebis

analizi

saSualebas maZlevs

davaskvna, rom

saarCevno siebis srulyofac,

saarCevno garemos

gaumjobesebac da masze damokidebuli

demokratiuli da samarTliani

arCevnebis Catarebac

mxolod xelisuflebis keTil

nebazea damokidebuli. amitom,

vfiqrob, yvela SesaZlo Sedegebze,

rac SeiZleba dadges,

rogorc saarCevno procesSi,

ise arCevnebis saboloo dasrulebamde

srul pasuximgeblobas

(qarTul sazogadoebasTan

erTad), pirvel rigSi, xelisuflebas

vakisreb. amasTan, gayalbebis

SemTxvevaSi, imeds vitoveb,

rom sazogadoeba moaxerxebs

Tavisi saarCevno xmebis

samarTlian CarCoebSi dacvasac.

baia amaSukeli

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16 saerTo gazeTi #32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

intterviu glddanis iveriis

yovladdwmidda RmrTismSoblis eklesiis

winamZZRvarTan mama basil

mkalaviSvilTan

_ mamao basil, amas winaT

Sekrebilma wminda sinodma gana-

Cina, rom samRvdelo pirebi ar

unda daeswron saero mitingebs,

ar Caerion politikur procesebSi.

iyo saubari e.w. Cipian

pasportebzec, romelzec sinodma

nebayoflobiTobis kurTxeva

gasca. ratom gaxda aucilebeli

sinodis Sekreba axla, roca Cipian

pasportebze ukve erTi weliwadia

laparakoben? da kidev,

mitingebze daswreba-ardaswrebaa

axla yvelaze mTavari Tu bagratis

taZris sakiTxi, daviT gareji,

ieRovelTa momZlavreba da

a.S.

_ saxeliTa mamisaTa da Zisa-

Ta da sulisa wmidisaTa. CvenTan

ars RmerTi.

mogaxsenebT, rom sinodis

sxdoma, romelic amas winaT gaimarTa,

mowveuli iyo mTavrobis

dakveTiT, misi ZiriTadi mizani

iyo daetuqsaT is sasuliero

pirni, romelnic eswrebodnen

mTavrobisadmi opoziciurad ganwyobili

partiebis Sekrebebs.

samRvdeloebam xalxis Tvalis

asaxvevad krebis mizezad moitana

TiTqos Cipian pasportebTan

dakavSirebiT iwvevdnen krebas.

sasaciloa, satirali rom ar

iyos. eleqtronuli pasportebis

gacema erTi welia, rac daiwyo.

TiTqmis naxevarma saqarTvelom

aiRo ID baraTebi. sapatriarqom

axla gaiRviZa?

minda pirdapir ganvacxado,

rom sapatriarqos marTavs xelisufleba,

isini uSualod

mTavrobis dakveTebs asruleben.

amas winaT gaJRerda borjom-bakurianis

mitropolitis meufe

serafimes interviu, farulad

Cawerili.

religiuri umciresobis

Sesaxeb SarSandeli

kanonproeqtis

miRebas ar eTanxmeboda

sinodis wevrebis

garkveuli nawili. es

sinodis oqmSi Caiwera,

magram xelisuflebis

CareviT, komprometirebuli

sasuliero pirebis

daSinebiT, es

fraza gaqra.

ufro metic, saSobao epistole

gigi ugulavasTan moxvda.

man mourideblad Caaswora epis-

tole, ismis kiTxva: saqarTvelos

patriarqi hyavs Tu gigi ugulava

asrulebs mis movaleobas? ra

unda saSobao epistoles an nebismier

sabuTs gamoqveynebamde

meriaSi?

imis magivrad, rom

sinodis krebas iwvevdnen

saqarTvelos udides

tkivilze: daviT

garejze, romelsac vkargavT,

bagratis ta-

Zarze, romelic saqar-

Tvelos sulier saxes

warmoadgens. kaTolikuri

stiliT aRadgenen,

is, rom erekles

saxl-muzeumi saqarTvelos

dauZinebeli mtris

aRa-mahmad-xanis

STamomavlobas mihyides,

dampyrobelis piradi

nivTebis gamosafenad,

is, rom wminda

ninos saxelobis saswavlebeli

unda daangrion

da islamuri Senoba

aagon, quTaisSi avtoqarxnis

dasaxlebis

teritoriaze budas eklesias

aSeneben Cinelebi

da marTlmadidebel

qarTvelebs monebiviT

amuSaveben, is, rom asia-

Tasi mowamis adgilze

buda-bars ageben da

mravali sxva, romelic

Cven ar viciT. romeli

erTi CamovTvaloT.

amaze rom imsjelon, piriqiT,

sapatriarqoSi Tbilad mokala-

Tebuli sasulieri ierarqebi

aras dagideven, magaliTisaTvis

moviyvan kalistrate margalitaSvils,

romelic saqarTvelos

meore sataxto qalaqis patriarqad

warmogviCens Tavs da mis

Svilobils, saqarTvelos damaqcevars,

aRmaSenebels uwodebs.

minda yvelam icodes,

rom sinodi orad

aris gayofili _

saakaSvilisa da

ivaniSvilis momxreebad

iTvisebs bagratis taZris restavraciisTvis

gamoyofil Tanxas

da saerTod ar fiqrobs saqarTveloze.

ai, am fonze imaze msjeloben,

rom sasuliero piri saqarTvelos

gadarCenisaTvis Sekrebil

xalxs ar unda SeuerTdes,

raTa misi gaWirveba ar gaiziaros?

amaze meti cinizmi gagonila?

Tqven axseneT aseve ieRovel-

Ta seqtis momZlavreba. maTma

qmedebam ukve kulminacias miaRwia.

TiTqos mosawyenia es braldebebi,

magram faqtebs ver gaveqceviT.

vin unda izrunos im aRviraxsnilobis

asalagmad, romelsac

ieRovelTa seqtis warmomadgenlebi

ewevian? Cven movaxerxeT

farulad Cagvewera

ieRoveli qalis qadageba marTlmadidebelTa

winaaRmdeg, romelic

ganTavsebulia internetSi,

feisbukze, Cems gverdze. nebismiers

SeuZlia naxos.

sapatriarqos es kriminaluri

seqta arasodes daugmia. piriqiT,

1992-95 wlebSi, roca

mcxeTa-Tbilisis saeklesio

krebebze kategoriulad moviTxovdi

krebis naxevari dro

am sakiTxebis mogvarebisTvis

dagveTmo da droze agvelagma

maTi mzakvruli miznebi, patriarqisgan

did winaaRmdegobas

vawydebodi. erTxel kidec damtuqsa

da `wiTeli koWic~ ki

miwoda: rogor gamodixar magaT

winaaRmdego? iq myof mRvdlebs

arwmunebda, rom es seqta saSiSroebas

ar warmoadgenda. dRes

ki yvela vxedavT, ra savalalo

realobis winaSe vdgavarT. xelisuflebidan

gaTamamebuli

ieRovelebi saSinel prozelitizms

ewevian da uamravi marTlmadideblis

suli jojoxeTis-

Tvis ukve ganamzades.

_ mamao, xom ar iciT, ra

xdeba ivaniSvilsa da sapatriarqos

Soris. sapatriarqo amjeradac

xelisuflebis mxares dgas?

_ patriarqs da ivaniSvils

imTaviTve kargi urTierToba

hqondaT, an ratom unda hqonodaT

cudi urTierToba adamian-

Tan, romelic amodena mSeneblobas

afinansebda? savalalo faq-

tia, rom, rogorc aRvniSneT, eklesiis

saqmeebSi uxeSad ereva

qristes moZule xelisufleba,

aqedan gamomdinare, isini Riad

ver dauWeren mxars ivaniSvils.

adamiani, roca sikeTes akeTebs,

amis daunaxaoba umadurobaa da

codvad miiCneva.

minda yvelam icodes, rom amjerad

sinodi orad aris gayofili

_ saakaSvilisa da ivaniSvilis

momxreebad. vinc patiosa-

ni sasuliero pirni arian, mxars

biZina ivaniSvils dauWeren. samwuxarod,

codvis morevSi Cafluli

episkoposebi ki saakaSvilis

qeba-didebaSi arian. maT

aqvT SiSis sindromi, saakaSvilma

codviT dacemulni ar amxilos.

aseve faqtobriv xelisuflebas

mxars dauWeren RvTis

mgmobeli sxvadasxva seqtis warmomadgenlebi,

sodom-gomoriT

dacemuli mamaTmavlebi da lesboselebi.

ai, am znedacemul

adamianebs qomagobs saakaSvili

da maTi imedi aqvs arCevnebSi.

_ auxseniT sazogadoebas:

e.w. Cipiani pasportebi marTla

safrTxea Tu ara? sazRvargare-

Tis bevrma qveyanam uaryo, Cveni

eklesiisgan ratom ar xdeba amis

calsaxa da radikaluri dagmoba?

_ adamianebs cota xanSi iZulebuls

gaxdian aiRon aseTi

pasportebi. blokirebuli adamiani

SeZlebs arsebobas? vinc pasports

ar miiRebs misTvis gausaZlisi

gaxdeba cxovreba, Sen

mogemsaxurebian, an ara, dadgeba

xanmokle diqtatura antiqristesi.

es iqneba xanmokle perio-

di, daiwyeba marTlmadidebelTa

devna, magram, gana RmerTi ar daicavs

Tavis rCeuls, romelnic

dRedaRam mas SehRaRadeben. morwmuneTaTvis

SeWirvebis periodi

Semokldeba. yvela morwmunes

sasurvelia hqondes miwis patara

nakveTi, patara meurneoba,

daTesos, mouaros da Tavi gaitanos.

yovelive es unda gaeTvaliswinebina

eklesias da kategori-

meufe iobi: `Tu isev arsebuli

xelisufleba darCa, me garwmunebT, rom

saqarTvelo aRar iarsebebs da SeiZleba

saqarTvelos saxelic ki Seucvalon~...

uli, radikaluri moTxovna daesva

mTavrobisTvis, rogorc es

sxva qveynebSi gaakeTes.

CvenTan ki sul sxvanairad

aris saqme _ qveynis damaqcevar,

amdeni borotebis Camden xelisufalze,

mcxeTaSi, mociqulTa

xsenebis dRis qadagebaze, patriarqma

mis gverdiT mdgomi prezidentis

misamarTiT ganacxada:

`Cven dRes Zalian bednierni

varT, imiT, rom CvenTan aris

prezidenti~-o. RmerTo, gadmogvxede

da Sen gaarCie samarTali...

_ amas winaT socialur

qselSi duSeTidan momweres _

bodornis RvTismSoblis eklesias

episkoposi vladimeri afarebs

Tavs, romelic aris mruSi,

dedao gaaupatiura da Svilic

hyavTo. aseTebis gankveTa ar

xdeba eklesiidan?

_ Tqveni mikvirs, pirvelad

gesmiT aseTi raRacebi? znedacemul

episkoposebze Zalian bevrs

saubroben, roca isini marxvis

periodSi gogonebTan erTad

restornebSi atareben dros.

erT faqtze SevCerdebi: 2

wlis win patriarqma me da mama


#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

vaxtangi dagvibara. moiwvies sinodis

kreba da moxda gansacvifrebeli

ram. me da mama vaxtangi dagvsajes.

me imisTvis _ ratom avaSene

amdeni eklesia, ratom miyvars

saqarTvelo, ratom vicav didi

sjulis kanons da marTlmadideblobas.

`damsajes~ da `gamosasworeblad~

vani-baRdadis eparqiaSi

gamgzavnes. eparqiaSi, romlis

mRvdeli Sua marxvaSi restoran-

Si `Salaxos~ cekvavda. ver gavige,

maT unda gamovesworebine, Tu

me isini?! TumcaRa, rom wavsuliyavi,

marTlac gamovasworebdi. sapatriarqos

swored aseTi

mRvdlebi awyobs, isini patriarqis

winaSe xmas verasodes amoiReben.

aseTi sasuliero pirebi sakmaod

bevrni arian eklesiis wiaR-

Si.

_ axla eklesiidan yvelaze Tamamad

meufe iobis xma ismis. amaswinaT

kidevac ganacxada: Tu es xelisufleba

kidev qveynis saTaveSi

darCeba, saqarTvelo aRar iarsebebso...

_ es xelisufleba istoriis,

yovelive qarTulis mteria. meufe

iobi amaTi uzneobis Semyure ake-

Tebs aseT daskvnas. diax, saqarTvelos

istoria Tu ar iarsebebs da

qarTveli xalxi Tavisi warsuliT

veRar iamayebs, qarTveli eri gadajiSdeba,

es unda Cvens mtrebs. amaze

laparakobs meufe iobic...

meufe ruis-urbnisis eparqiis

mmarTveli, friad ganswavluli da

upatiosnesi pirovnebaa. mis eparqiaSi

yvela rituals eklesiuri wesebis

mixedviT aRasruleben. meufe

yovelTvis simarTlis mxares dgas,

xSirad amxels usjuloebas, romelic

xdeba dRevandel xelisuflebaSi.

amitomac idga mcxeTaSi qar-

Tveli eris Sekrebaze. swored

amis gamo, xelisuflebis saameblad,

moiwvies saswrafod

sinodis kreba, raTa

`daetuqsaT~ meufe iobi. ver

gaiTvaliswines, rom sinodSi Tu

erSi meufe iobs bevri mxardamWeri

hyavs.

iseTebi, romlebic xelisuflebis

naCuqari prestiJuli manqanebiT

dagrialeben, movuwodeb:

droa, CamoqveiTdiT `jipebidan~ da

SeWirvebuli xalxis bedi gaiziareT,

rameTu yoveli Cvengani mar-

Talni unda viyvneT sakuTari sindisis

winaSe, raTa Cveni nasroli

qva Cvenve ar dagvibrundes.

_ mamao basil, xSirad gaismis,

unda Catardes ruis-urbnisis

msgavsi saeklesio krebao. Tqveni

azriT, SesaZlebelia Tu ara es da

vin unda ganaxorcielos igi?

_ dRes mTeli saqarTvelo

elodeba, rodis Catardeba ruisurbnisis

msgavsi kreba. saerTod,

msoflio saeklesio krebebs yovelTvis

morwmune mefeebi da dedoflebi

iwvevdnen. saqarTvelos

pirveli prezidenti zviad gamsaxurdia

xelisuflebaSi mosvlis

dRidanve emzadeboda saeklesio

krebis Casatareblad, raTa ganwmendiliyo

eklesia uRirsi, Semarcxveneli

samRvdeloebisagan. swored

es ar apaties mas da sapatriarqo

opoziciaSi Caudga. dRes

ismis kiTxva, Catardeba es kreba?

pasuxi aseTia _ saakaSvilisa da

ilia II-is TanamoRvaweobis dros

es kreba ar Catardeba, radgan

krebaze unda ganikveTos samRvdelo

dasis umravlesoba ise, rogorc

es moxda daviT aRmaSeneblis

dros. aqedan gamomdinare,

samRvdeloebas saerTod

ar awyobs krebis Catareba.

_ mamao, bevrs ainteresebs, ra

azris brZandebiT biZina ivaniSvilze,

rogorc sazogadoebis garkveuli

da sakmaod didi nawilis liderze,

uWerT mas mxars?

_ xSirad mekiTxebian, ra azrisa

var ivaniSvilTan mimarTebaSi.

waval Tu ara mitingebze.

me yovelTvis maTTan var, vinc

SeWirvebul moZmeebTan dgas, maT

Wir-varams iziarebs, exmareba,

gulTan miaqvs gaRatakebuli, qu-

CaSi lukma-puris saSovnelad gamosuli

xalxis bedi. mivesalmebi

da vlocav qvelmoqmedebas, romelsac

eris sakeTildReod gaswevs,

miTumetes, Tu yovelgvari

keTili saqme marTlmadidebluri

suliT iqneba Sezavebuli. rac Seexeba

imas, vivli Tu ara saxalxo

Sekrebebze, mogaxsenebT, sapyrobileSi

yofnis dros bevrjer scades

Cemi mowamvla, fizikuri ganadgureba,

magram RvTis wyalobiT,

TqvenTan var. cixidan friad

dauZlurebuli gamovedi, dResac

vmkurnalob. kidev gimeorebT, sawolzec

rom viyo mijaWvuli, suliT

da guliT saqarTvelos erTgul

jariskacad miguleT. me vidgebi

maTTan, vinc xelisuflebaSi

ara fulis mosaxveWad, aramed

dasaxmareblad da gaWirvebuli

xalxis pirobebis gasaumjobeseblad

mova.

vwuxvar, roca vuyureb, rogor

esvrian qvebs nacionalebis damqa-

Sebi biZina ivaniSvilis momxreebs.

minda qarTvel xalxs Sevaxseno,

rom maTi maswavlebeli da ideologi

giga bokeria qvebis srola-

Si metad gawvrTnilia. ramdenime

wlis win igi ieRovelTa seqtis

warmomadgenlebis Tavgamodebuli

dacvisas me da Cems mrevls qvebi

dagviSines. es kadrebi aris internetsivrceSi

da yvelas SeuZlia

ixilos. ase, rom es maTi Cveulebrivi

xelweraa, raSic me adreve

davrwmundi da sakuTar Tavzec gamovcade,

amitom ukeTess arafers

moveli maTgan...

RmerTma daglocoT.

iranda

kalandaZe

wlevandel welsac Catarda

morigi literaturuli

konkursi `saba~. ramdenad

amarTlebs wardgenili da gamarjvebuli

nawarmoebebi sazogadoebis

molodins da

sulxan-ssabas saxelobis premiis

saxels _ es ukve didi

xnis gansja-gganxilvis sakiTxia.

ra da vin imarjvebs:

novacia, ideologia Tu namdvili

mwerloba? am sakiTxebze

gvesaubreba poeti baRaTer

arabuli

_ amgvari konkursebi, rogoricaa

`saba~, `gala~ da

sxvebi, TavisTavad Zalian kargia,

magram dauSvebelia klanuri,

garkveuli jgufebis interesebis

gamomxatveli konkursebi.

xSirad erTi da igive

xalxi marTavs da Rebulobs

monawileobs. vTqvaT,

wels romeliRac mweralma miiRo

premia da misi megobari

aris Jiuris wevri, Semdeg

wels is, vinc miiRo premia,

aris JiuriSi da romelic

SarSan JiuriSi iyo Rebulobs

premias da a.S.

_ e.i. erTmaneTs gadascemen

premiebs?

_ ar davasaxeleb gvarebs.

erTi da igive saxeebi trialebs

am konkursebze, 10 wlis

ganmavlobaSi zogierTs 5-jer

aqvs miRebuli premia, zogs ki

_ 4-jer da a.S. es Zalian cudi

tendenciaa. obieqturad

unda Catardes yvelaferi. JiuriSi

unda iyos xalxi, romlebic

gaTviTcnobierebulni

arian qarTul literaturaSi.

minda mivmarTo damaarseblebs,

xelmZRvanelebs, es iqneba Cemi

megobruli Txovnac da kolegialuric

_ kontroli gauwion

Jiuris Semadgenlobas, iq

mimdinare movlenebs.

_ mamuka xazaraZe aris am

literaturuli konkursis

damfinansebeli da TavisTavad

xdeba qarTuli mwerlobis

promouteri, Tanamedrove

eniT rom vTqvaT. ar interesdeba,

ras xmardeba misi Tanxebi

da rogoria rezultati?

_ mamuka xazaraZe aris Zalian

kargi adamiani, morwmune,

hyavs moZRvari da mis mier dafinansebul

konkursSi imarjvebs

adamiani _ giorgi maisuraZe,

romelic eklesiaze,

sarwmunoebaze, religiaze aqveynebs

amazrzen teqstebs, magaliTad

moviyvan fragmentebs

misi werilidan: `marTlmadidebloba,rogorc

qarTveli liberalebis

ukanaskneli

TavSesafari~. gTavazobT

erT-erT fragments:

`saqarTvelos

marTlmadidebel eklesias,

romelic dRes

saqarTveloSi yvelaze

maRali avtoritetis

mqone organizaciaa,

ritualebisa da `saswaulebis~

garda sxva

aranairi `sulierebis~

SeTavazeba ar SeuZlia

adamianisTvis da Tavadaa

yovelgvari sulierebisa

da sulieri

kulturis mTavari moZule,

romelic yvelgan da yvelaferSi,

sadac misi locva-kur-

Txevis beWedi araa dasmuli,

eSmakeulebs xedavs. ufro metic,

saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli

eklesia imdenad da-

Sorda yovelgvar sulierebas,

imdenad moswyda Tavad marTlmadideblur

Teologiur

sawyisebs, rom masze, rogorc

sulierebis gamomxatvel instituciaze,

seriozuli saubaric

ki `Znelia~. mere ambobs:

`aranairi gansakuTrebuli Teoriuli

codna da analitikuri

unarebi araa imisTvis sa-

Wiro, rom eklesiidan momavali

agresia, Seuwynarebloba,

Sua saukuneebisdroindeli

seqsizmi da qalTmoZuleoba,

adamianebis fsiqologiuri manipulacia

da wamqezebloba

davafiqsiroT da mas kerZo

SemTxvevebis kvalifikacia ar

mivceT. Tu gaviTvaliswinebT,

rom erovnuli Tu sarwmunoebrivi

SuRlis gaRviveba,

umetes SemTxvevaSi, marTlmadidebeli

eklesiis

umaRlesi organos _

wminda sinodis wevrebisgan

_ episkoposebisa da

mitropolitebisgan modis,

absurduli unda

iyos imis mtkiceba,

rom es gamonaklisebia~.

anu igi gulisxmobs,

rom evronuli

SuRlis gaRviveba eklesiidan

modis. piriqiT,

eklesia zrunavs

imaze, rom ar iyos

SuRli da dapirispireba

sazogadoebaSi. am

`mweralma~ miiRo sabas

premia da premiis damaarsebelia

xazaraZe, romelic

sapatriarqos udgas

gverdiT. me vfiqrob,

rom mamuka xazaraZem

es ar icis.

_ cota ucnauria, rom

damfinansebeli saqmis kursSi

araa.

_ xazaraZem es rom icodes,

ar dauSvebda. me vici,

rom sapatriarqoSi Catarda

preskonferencia am masalis

Taobaze. aseve maisuraZe nawarmoebSi

`Caketili sazogadoeba

da misi darajebi~ romelSic

premia miiRo, Caketil

sazogadoebaSi gulisxmobs

imaT, vinc tradiciebs icavs,

zneobriv normebze da erovnu-

saerTo gazeTi

literaturuli premia `saba~

saZmakacoSi Camosarigebel

premiad ar unda iqces...

lobaze laparakobs. cisferebis

zeims, erTsqesianebis qorwils

Tavisufleba unda mieni-

Wos da propaganda gaewios.

misi azriT, ilia WavWavaZes

awuxebda Suasaukunebrivi bneleTis

azrebi, anu eris gadarCenaze

zrunva bneleTis

azria. patriotizmi provincializmis

gamovlineba. cotne

dadiani `cotne daTvianidan~

modis, `cotnaoba~ seqsualuri

rituali yofila, Taflis

wasma sxeulze, mere lokva da

ase Semdeg. `sabas~ premiaze

wardgenili iyo ramdenime

Rirseuli pirovnebis naSromi,

maT uars eubnebian, imaT ki,

visac moraluri da seqsualuri

gadaxrebi aqvT, gzas uxsnian.

aseve monawileobda vinme

daTo qardava nawarmoebiT,

romlis saTauria `tualetSi

sakiTxavi wigni~(?!).

SevardnaZis periodSic ki

ar xdeboda aseTi ram. ganaTlebis

ministris moadgile

iyo vinme lekveiSvili, romelmac

gamoaqveyna leqsebis

krebuli saTauriT _ `mTvare,

makoce trakze~. maSinve gaagdebines

ministr kartozias.

axla ki amgvar teqstebs ufro

eZleva upiratesoba, vidre

wminda literaturul da akademiur

nawarmoebebs. Cemi

Txovna iqneba, es yvelaferi

gaiTvaliswinon da amgvari

anomaluri teqstebi ar moxvdes

konkursSi.

yvelaferi keTdeba imisTvis,

rom qristianuli citadeli

moangrion. es xelisuflebis

neba-survilicaa, raTa eklesias

avtoriteti Seulaxon.

Cven ver davemsgavsebiT

evropasa da amerikas. maT

TavianTi istoria aqvT.

aseve unda aRiniSnos,

rom evropa ubrundeba

Tavis tradiciebs. moZraoba

daiwyo safrangeTSi,

holandiaSi,

italiaSi nacionaluri

interesebis

dacvisaTvis. es

aucileblobam moitana;

msoflioSi

arsebobs cisferebis

uzarmazari gaerTianebebi,sabWoebi

da yvelafer amas

uweven mfarvelobas.

uzarmazari fuli

ideba. Cvens xelisuflebaSic

araerTia am

tendenciis mqone.

xelSewyobis gareSe

ar moxdeboda araferi.

rati amaRlobeli

aris am konkursis damaarsebeli

da me minda piradad vTxovo

mas, ufro principulad miudges

am yvelafers da iyos

CarTuli Jiuris muSaobaSi.

Jiuris Sedgenis drosac meti

principuloba gamoiCinos. iq

unda iyvnen kritikosebi,

mwerlebi, romlebic kargad

icnoben qarTul mwerlobas,

tendenciebs da ara fsiqologebi

da sxva profesiis warmomadgenlebi.

Tamuna qadagiZe

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18 saerTo gazeTi #32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

uxsovari droidan, mecnierebTan

erTad Cveulebrivi adamianebic

gaocebaSi mohyavda

cocxali sxeulisTvis damaxasiaTebel

Tvisebebs, `gaenaTebina~

Tmas sibneleSi, naperwklebi

gaeyara tansacmlis gaxdisas.

mogvianebiT, sayofacxovrebo

pirobebSi eleqtronis far-

Tod gamoyenebam adamianis, rogorc

biologiuri denis matareblis

Sesaxeb Sexedulebebi

kidev ufro gaamyara.

erTni amas raRac `sasicocxlo

Zalas~ miawerdnen, meoreni

ambobdnen, rom es TvaliT

uxilavi im `eTeruli

sxeulis~ damsaxurebaa, romelic

yoveli cocxali arsebis

sxeulSi binadrobda da swored

es ganarCevda cocxals

aracocxalisgan.

mecnierebaSi adamianis irgvliv

arsebuli biovelis Sesaxeb

yvelaze realuri warmodgenebi

amerikeli mkvlevris

albert sent-derdis meSveobiT

gaCnda, romelmac ganacxada:

`adamiani _ Cveulebrivi

gamtaria, romelSic sasicocxlo

funqciebis ganxorcielebis

paralelurad, rogorc sadenebSi,

mudmivad gaedineba

eleqtruli deni~.

sent-derdis hipoTezidan

ramdenime wlis Semdeg, aseve

amerikelma mecnierebma fizikuri

xelsawyos saSualebiT SeZles

adamianis irgvliv arsebuli

eleqtruli velis skanireba

da gaocebuli darCnen imiT,

rom adamianis bioveli TiTqmis

yvela im gamosxivebas Seicavda,

rac dedamiwaze arsebobda;

nanomedicina miznad isaxavs

adamianis sxeulSi, yvelaze

xSirad ki sisxlSi, garkveuli

ineqciebis meSveobiT Seiyvanos

specialuri mowyobiloba _

mikroskopuli robotebi, romlebic

gamoiyeneba rogorc sadiagnostiko,

ise samkurnalo

miznebisTvis.

ras warmoadgens

nanoroboti?

tipuri samedicino nanomowyobiloba

mikronuli zomis

robotia, romelic awyobilia

nanonawilebisgan. nanorobotis

nawilebis zomebi erTidan 100

nm-mde meryeobs. meti sicxadis-

Tvis getyviT, 1nm = 10 -9 m-s,

Tavad robotis zoma ki iqneba

0,5-3 mkm (1mkm = 10 -6 m-s).

samedicino nanorobotebis

ZiriTadi saSeni masala, sakmaod

didi simtkicis gamo, almasis

an almasismsgavsi formis

naxSirbadia. nanometriul reduqtorebsa

da sxva komponentebSi

specialuri miznebisTvis

gamoiyeneba wyalbadi, gogirdi,

Jangbadi, azoti da

ftori.

nanorobots eqneba ori sivrce

_ SigniTa da gareTa. gareTa

sivrce adamianis organizmSi

arsebul qimiur nivTierebaTa

zemoqmedebis winaSe daucveli

aRmoCndeba, samagierod,

SigniTa sivrce imdenad

daculi iqneba, rom masSi ver

SeaRwevs veraferi, garda im

biologiuri siTxeebisa, ro-

adamianis bioveli

oRond, erTi gansxvavebiT _

biovelSi Semaval gamosxiveba-

Ta talRis sigrZe gacilebiT

naklebia, iseve rogorc minimaluria

maTi moqmedebis speqtri

da Zala.

biovelis skanirebis Semdeg,

bunebrivia, imis dadgena gaxda

saWiro, Tu ra aqcevda adamians

biologiur gamtarad da ra materiebi

warmoadgenda sxeulis

irgvliv eleqtruli velis

wyaros.

bioeleqtrodebi

wyali

biovelis wyaro sakuTriv

adamianis organizmSi arsebuli

organuli da araorganuli

nivTierebebi aRmoCnda.

yovel maTgans gaaCnia saku-

Tari eleqtruli muxti da

swored am muxtebs Soris

melTa damuSaveba da analizic

nanorobotis mizans warmoadgens.

Strixebi

nanorobotis

portretisTvis

_ adamiani, romelsac nanorobotebs

Seuyvanen, subieqturad

verafers SeigrZnobs;

_ funqciaamowuruli

nanorobotebi adamians

aranair zians ar miayeneben;

_ nanorobotebs ar

eqnebaT organizmSi damoukidebladgamravlebis

unari;

_ marTvis mizniT

organizmSi Seyvanil nanorobotebTan

mudmivad

iqneba kavSiri;

_ sxvadasxva tipis

ujredebs ujredis zedapirze

arsebuli yoveli

maTganisTvis damaxasiaTebeli

antigenuri

struqturis mixedviT

amoicnoben;

nanorobotebis

daniSnulebas

warmoadgens:

_ organizmis gawmenda virusuli

an baqteriuli infeqciisgan;

_ samkurnalo saSualebis

zustad mitana im adgilamde,

sadac es yvelaze metad saWiroa;

sxvaoba warmoqmnis im eleqtrul

potencials, romelic sabolood

sxeulis irgvliv

eleqtruli velis saxiT iyris

Tavs.

biovelis yvelaze mZlavri

da Zlieri mommaragebeli, saukeTeso

gamtari wyali aRmoCnda.

rogorc gairkva, Cveni biovelis

70-80 procents swored

es siTxe ganapirobebs.

wylis molekuluri agebuleba,

albaT, yvelas axsovs _

es wyalbadis ori da Jangbadis

erTi atomia, wyalbadis atomebi

ki, Tavis mxriv, saukeTeso

protonebia, romlebic dieleqtruli

sxvaobis wyalobiT

wyals SesaniSnav gamtarad aqcevs.

cila

wylis Semdeg eleqtruli

velis SeqmnaSi didi roli

_ organizmis jangbadiT

momaragebis gaumjobeseba da

Sesabamisad, nivTierebaTa

cvlis gaaqtiureba-mowesrigeba.

moqmedebis meqanizmi

tipuri erTjeradi Terapevtuli

doza nanorobotebisa,

organizmSi 1-dan 10-trilionamde

nanorobotis Seyvanas

gulisxmobs. mozrdili adamianis

sxeulis moculoba 100

aTasi sm3-ia, sisxlis moculoba

5400 sm3-s Seadgens, amitom

masSi 3 sm3 moculobis

nanorobotebis dozis damatebas

praqtikulad organizmi

ver SeigrZnobs, miT ufro,

rom isini moiqcevian ise, ro-

ekisreba organul cilebs,

Tumca, wyalTan SedarebiT, cilebs

araerTgvarovani da aramudmivi

denis warmomqmneli

unari gaaCnia, maTi gamtaroba

damokidebulia imaze, Tu ramdenad

aris isini wyliT gajerebuli

da ramdeni wyalia im

garemoSi, sadac maT uSualod

funqcionireba uwevs. rac naklebia

wyali, miT naklebia cilebis

ionuri gamtaroba.

nukleinis mJavebi

nukleinis mJavebi: dnm da

rnm aseve didi rols TamaSobs

cocxali organizmis velis

warmoqmnaSi. miuxedavad maTi

struqturisa, isini didi raodenobiT

wyals ar Seicavs, mainc

maRali eleqtrofizikuri

Tviseba aqvs, rasac maT aminom-

Javebi sZens.

mikro da

makroelementebi

mogexsenebaT, adamianis organizmSi

sakmaod bevri mikro

da makroelementia, romelTac

aseve gaaCnia sakuTari eleqtruli

muxti, zogs _ dadebiTi,

zogsac _ uaryofiTi da TavianTi

mokrZalebuli wvlili

maTac SeaqvT biovelis warmoqmnis

saerTo saqmeSi.

garegani faqtorebi

Tanamedrove adamians sakmaod

mZlavri teqnogenuri gamosxivebis

qveS uwevs arsebo-

nanorobotebi _ momavlis medicina

gorc maT specialuri mimRebi

mowyobilobis meSveobiT `ubr-

Zaneben~.

organizmSi moxvedris Semdeg

nanorobotebi iwyeben mogzaurobas,

zogierTni sisxlis

nakadis meSveobiT, zogierTni

binas bronqebSi ideben, zogierTni

ki qsovilebSi dabuddebian.

imisda mixedviT, Tu

organizmSi sad apirebs

dasaxlebas, gansxvavebuli

iqneba maTi zomac; magaliTad,

yvelaze didi

zomisani sisxlis nanorobotebi

iqnebian, SedarebiT

patarebi _ qsovilebSi

mosaxleni, kidev

ufro naklebi iqneba

bronqebSi mobinadreTa

zoma.

nanorobots, rogorc

nebismier mowyobilobas,

gadasaadgileblad da funqcionirebisTvisaucileblad

esaWiroeba energia.

mecnierebma, bunebrivia,

amazec izrunes _

mowyobiloba muSaobisTvis

saWiro energias Tavad

organizmSi, Jangbadisa da

glukozis metabolizmis dros

mimdinare meqanoqimiuri reaqciebis

saSualebiT miiRebs.

nanoroboti da

imunuri sistema

mogexsenebaT, imunuri sistema

maleve amoicnobs organizmSi

moxvedril nebismier

ucxo sxeuls; organizmidan

ba. civilizebuli samyaros

yvela wertili eleqtromagnituri

velis areSia moqceuli,

maT Soris _ Cveni sxeulic.

igi mudmivad iRebs da STanTqavs

am velis garkveul nawilebs

specialuri bioenergetikuli

meridianebis saSualebiT,

romlis pirveli rgolic Cveni

kania.

swored sxeulis safarvelis

gziT aRwevs organizmSi

garemos eleqtromagnituri

velis fragmentebi, romlebic

organizmSi sxvadasxva adgilas

idebs binas da sxvadasxvanairadve

realizdeba.

dRes mecnierebis mTavari

amocanaa sabolood gaSifron

biovelis Semadgenloba da gansazRvron

is mudmivi parametrebi,

romlebic janmrTel organizms

daavadebulisgan ganasxvavebs.

erTaderTi, rac ukve dasabuTebulia,

is aris, rom janmrTeli

adamianis bioveli neitraluria

_ organizmSi agzneba-Sekavebis

procesTa dabalansebiT,

gawonasworebulia uaryofiT

da dadebiT muxtebs Soris

Tanafardobac, xolo roca

veli raime muxts iZens, es

ukve imis maniSnebelia, rom agzneba-Sekavebis

procesTa Soris

Tanafardoba dairRva da

romeliRac adgilas paTologiuri

procesi iwyebs ganviTarebas.

maTi gandevnisa da gauvnebelyofis

mizniT, masze ieriSi miaqvs.

nanorobotebi Cveulebrivi

ucxo sxeulebia, romelTac

imunuri sistema swrafadve aRmoaCens,

magram radgan gluvi

almazoiduri struqturis nanorobotebi

sakmaod mcired

gamoxatul leikocitur aqtivobas

amJRavnebs da almasis

Zlieri zedapiruli energiis

wyalobiT maTi garsi qimiurad

absoluturad inertulia, imunuri

sistemis mxridan maTze

agresia naklebia da Sesabamisad,

imunuri sistemac aRar

sdevnis maT.

organizmidan

gamoyofa

nanomowyobilobaTa erT nawils

unari Seswevs, damoukideblad

gamoidevnos organizmidan

adamianis bunebrivi gamomyofi

arxebis meSveobiT, meore

nawili ki ise iqneba konstruirebuli,

rom maT organizmidan

medpersonali specialuri

nanogamomyvani aparatis

saSualebiT gamodevnis.

ra sageblobas

moitans nanomedicina

kacobriobas?

nanomedicinis mTavar daniSnulebaa

me-20 saukunis yvelaze

farTod gavrcelebul daavadebaTa

sruli gankurneba, misi

mizania tkivilis damarcxeba,

adamianis sicocxlis asakisa

da misi gonebrivi SesaZleblobebis

gazrda.

gverdi moamzada

zviad RonRaZe


#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

msoflio presis mixedviT

bolo saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi

filosofosebi, istorikosebi,

sociologebi, politologebi,

mwerlebi... svamen erTsa da

imave kiTxvebs: ra qveyanaa ruse-

Ti, romelsac amodena teritoria

da amdeni simdidre gaaCnia

da mainc Raribia da ratom aris

mezobeli qveynebisTvis aseTi

saSiSi da arastabilurobis

wyaro...

Tavisi arsebobis manZilze,

ruseTma aTeulobiT qveyana daipyro

da uamravi erisa da eTnosis

iseTi asimilacia moaxdina,

rom bevri maTgani ukve gada-

Senda da gaqra _ CrdiloeTkavkasieli

da kavkasieli eTnosebiT

dawyebuli da iseTi qveynebiTa

da saxelmwifoebiT damTavrebuli,

rogorebicaa fineTi,

poloneTi, baltiispireTis

qveynebi, moldova prutis aRmosavleTiT...

ukve yvelam icis _

rusebs ufro metad ainteresebT

is, ra xdeba maT garSemo,

vidre saxlSi, isini TavianT

niWsa da energias ar iyeneben

saimisod, rom ukeT da civilizebulad

icxovron, qveyana gaamdidron.

rusebi saukuneebia,

sxva qveynebis okupaciis, sxva

xalxebis asimilaciis ideiT

arian Sepyrobili, uyvarT maTTvis

Wkuis swavleba, Tu rogor

icxovron...

axla, roca kacobrioba cdilobs,

arsebobisa da Tanaarsebobis

sxva formulebi gamoiyenos,

ruseTi mezoblebTan urTierTobaSi

Tavis imperiul Cvevebs

ver Tmobs. Tavis yofil

koloniebs (yofil sabWoTa

respublikebs) isev Tavis gav-

`dasavleTs surs, demokratiis Tavisi

modeli mTel msoflioSi gaavrcelos.

arada, arcTu Soreuli warsulis

magaliTebi cxadyofs: tradiciebis gauTvaliswineblad

es SeuZlebelia.

2001 wels amerikis SeerTebulma

Statebma da misma mokavSireebma daasrules

Talibebis mmarTveloba avRaneT-

Si. dasavleTis daxmarebiT, qveyanam miiRo

demokratiuli konstitucia da

masTan erTad _ xalxis mier yovel 5

weliwadSi arCeuli prezidenti da orpalatiani

parlamenti, romelSi qalebisTvis

kvota daaweses. 2009 wels,

roca prezidenti hamid karzai gadair-

Cies, euTos damkvirveblebi xmis micemisas

`namdvil sayovelTao falsifikaciaze~

alaparakdnen. axlaxan, tokioSi

avRaneTis problematikisadmi miZRvnili

lenis sferod miiCnevs da Zveli

imperiuli meTodebiT urTierTobs.

yofili Zmuri resublikebis

politikaze gavlenis

mosaxdenad, am qveynebSi mcxovreb

eTnikur rusebsa da rusulenovan

eTnikur umciresobebs

Tavis mTavar sayrdenad iyenebs.

faqtobrivad, es mosaxleoba

moskovis mexuTe kolonis rols

asrulebs da misi meSveobiT

ruseTi sruliad daufaravad da

ubodiSod ereva yofili koloniebis

cxovrebaSi. axlaxan ruseTma

am mxriv kidev erTxel

gamoiCina Tavi.

ruseTis prezidenti ruse-

Tis federaciis elCebsa da

ucxoeTSi Tavis mudmiv warmomadgenlebs

Sexvda. mTavari gzavnili,

romelic maT gadaecaT,

exeboda ruseTis axlandeli

sazRvrebis miRma mcxovrebi `moqalaqeebisa

da Tanamemamuleebis~

uflebebis dacvas. putinis

TqmiT, diplomatiuri da sakonsulo

samsaxurebi valdebuli

arian, daicvan isini egreT wodebuli

non-stopis reJimiT, dauyovnebliv

upasuxon maT nebismier

wuxils, daexmaron da mxari

dauWiron. misive gancxade-

biT, saxelmwifos mimarT pativiscema

damokidebulia imaze, Tu

rogor eqceva igi Tavis moqalaqeebs,

romlebic maTTvis ucxo

garemoSi rTul da gauTvaliswinebel

viTarebaSi aRmoCndnen.

ruseTis prezidentis azriT,

saxelmwifom unda gaaanalizos,

axleburad da safuZvlianad gaiazros

im TanamemamuleTa roli,

romlebic ucxoeTSi mudmivad

cxovroben. man wamoayena

axali idea: sabWoTa kavSiris

yofil moqalaqeebs ufleba mieceT,

miiRon ruseTis moqalaqeoba:

`aucileblobad mimaCnia,

kvlav davubrundeT ruseTis moqalaqeobis

miniWebis gaiolebul

formas maTTvis, vinc sab-

WoTa kavSiris moqalaqe iyo an

sabWoTa kavSirSi da Tundac

ruseTis imperiaSi dabadebulis

pirdapiri STamomavalia~.

ruseTis moqalaqeobis SeRavaTianad

miniWeba, miT umetes

yofil sabWoTa kavSirSi mcxovrebi

eTnikuri rusebisTvis,

mtruli nabijia da maTTvisve

mavne qmedebaa. praqtikulad yvela

yofil sabWoTa respublika-

Si arsebobs im erovnul (rusebs

vgulisxmobT) umciresoba-

Ta problemebi, romlebsac ar

saerTo gazeTi

okupaciisa da xalxebis asimilaciis

ideiT Sepyrobili ruseTi

yofil sabWoTa kavSiris respublikebSi mcxovrebi

rusi eTnikuri umciresoba _ moskovis mexuTe kolona

avRaneTidan egviptemde:

demokratiis

eqsportis sirTuleebi

konferenciis dRis wesrigSi

mTavari sakiTxi korufcia

iyo. demokratiuli konstitucia

aseT dros uZluria,

aRniSnavs mimomxilveli.

`2011 wlis gazafxulze,

hosni mubaraqis Camogdebis

Semdeg, egviptem gardamavali

periodis konstitucia mii-

Ro... konstituciiT gaTvaliswinebul

saparlamento

arCevnebze islamistebma gaimarjves.

sakonstitucio sasamarTlom

Zveli gvardiis,

samxedro sabWos mxardaWeriT,

parlamenti daiTxova.

prezidentma Tavisi dekretiT

isev moiwvia parlamenti,

sakonstitucio sasamar-

Tlom ki sxdomis legitimuroba ar

cno. ZalauflebisTvis brZola religiuri

da samxedro elitis warmomadgenlebs

Soris axal saxelmwifo institutebSic

gagrZelda~, _ wers gamocema.

`evropa da amerikis SeerTebuli

Statebi formalurad demokratiul

qveynebSi demokratiuli kulturis naklebobas

viTom ganicdian, viTom ar esmiT

da aRSfoTebas gamoxataven. arada,

ar iTvaliswineben erT martiv WeSmaritebas

_ yvelas erT Targze ver gamoWri,

tradiciebis gauTvaliswineblad

`standartul demokratias~ iolad ver

daamkvidreb. tradiciebisa da axali meqanizmebis

Serwymaa aucilebeli.

Tagesspiegel

bolodroindeli kvlevebiT, romlebic

inteleqtis koeficientis gansazRvris

meTodikas efuZneba, dadginda _

qalebma mamakacebs gauswres, wers gaze-

Ti La Repubblica.

`qalebi mamakacebze ufro Wkvianebi

arian. adami da evasgan moyolebuli, SesaZloa,

yovelTvis ase iyo, magram warsulSi

maT ar eZleodaT TavianTi potencialis

gamovlena. arc is aris gamoricxuli,

qalebi aseTebi bolo xans

gaxdnen _ im stresis gamo, rac samuSaos

da ojaxis, karierisa da saxlis

saqmeebis SeTavsebis aucileblobiT

aris gamowveuli.

asea Tu ise, qalebs

gonebrivi ganviTarebis koeficientis

testebis maCveneblebi

saukeTeso aqvT~, _

wers gamocema.

`Tanamedrove cxovrebis

gavlena axlaRa avlens

Tavs qalis tvinze~, _ amtkicebs

jeims flini, avtoritetuli

fsiqologi,

avtori wignisa, romelSic

gaanalizebulia qalebis am

sferoSi `gaswreba~.

profesorma filinma jer kidev 80ian

wlebSi daadgina, rom dasavleTis

qveynebSi mainc, IQ-s testis Sedegebi

yovel aT weliwadSi saSualod sami

punqtiT matulobs. maSasadame, nebismieri

Tanamedrove adamiani Tavis winap-

surT Seiswavlon qveynis ena da

visTvisac es saxelmwifo sabWo-

Ta kavSiris Semdeg meore sam-

Soblo gaxda. aseT pirobebSi,

`istoriuli samSoblodan~ gagzavnili

msgavsi signali eTnikur

rusebs kidev ufro aratolerantuls

gaxdis, moaxdens

maT konsolidacias agresiul

anklavebad, romlebic principulad

ar erTvebian am qveynebis

sulier cxovrebaSi da daiwyeben

brZolas im uflebebis dasacavad,

romlebsac arc aravin

arRvevs.

ueWvelia, putinis es gancxadeba

frTebs Seasxams yofil

sabWoTa kavSirSi mcxovreb rus

umciresobebs. Tu ruseTi Tavis

yofil koloniebSi mcxovreb

rus moqalaqeebs marTlac SeRavaTianad

miscems ruseTis moqalaqeobas,

es imas niSnavs, rom

ruseTi kvlav aCvenebs Tavis saxes

_ igi sabWoTa kavSirisa da

ruseTis imperiis uSualo memkvidrea.

rodisRa unda dadges is

dro, roca yofili sabWoTa

respublikebi TavianT istoriul

pretenziebs wauyeneben ruseTs?

timpul.ker

rebs gonebrivi ganviTarebis doniT 30

punqtiT unda sjobdes. `Tanamedrove

samyaros sirTule aiZulebs tvins, Seeguos

axal realobas da Cvens IQ-sac

iZulebiT zrdis~, _ aseTia profesoris

daskvna.

Tanamedrove cxovrebam, rogorc

Cans, ufro meti gavlena moaxdina qalebze,

vidre kacebze. profesori ikvlevda

axali zelandiis, estoneTisa da

argentinis mcxovrebT da aSkarad gamoCnda,

rom qalebma IQ-s maCveneblebiT

kacebs ajobes. es mniSvnelovani momen-

qalebi mamakacebze

Wkvianebi gaxdnen

tia, radgan aseTi ram pirvelad xdeba.

`saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi, qalebi araxelsayrel

mdgomareobaSi iyvnen, iCagrebodnen.

axla, roca isini damoukideblebi

gaxdnen, Tavis gamoCenac SeZles~,

_ ambobs mecnieri.

La Repubblica

moamzada

g. WavWavaZem.

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20 saerTo gazeTi #32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

mogzauroba samSobloSi

naavdrali

broweuli

tye-javaxeTi

javaxeTSi sxvadasxva mxridan

ramdenime gza Sedis, magram Cven raki

uwinaresad tye-javaxeTi gvainteresebs,

am mikroqveyanaSi borjom-bakurianis

gavliT da cxrawyaros

uReltexilis gadavliT SevdivarT.

saocaria mzis amosvla cxrawyaroze

wlis TiTqmis nebismier dros.

sinaTle swrafad Camorbis Savi

kldis kalTebze da grZel mindorze

Cerdeba. es didi, grZeli zegani

TrialeTis mikroqveynis dasawyisia,

viwro zolad gawolili Rele ki

qciis (xramis) saTavea, romelic

cxra wyaroTi ikvebeba. am adgils

qcia-nariani hqvia da didebuli

cxvris sazafxulo ialaRia. mis gadaRma,

samxreTiT tabawyuris tba da

tye-javaxeTia. Cveni megzuri, borjomis

raionis kulturisa da Zegl-

Ta dacvis maSindeli ganyofilebis

ufrosi mamia SariqaZe gvirCevs, rom

Sublze qciis ankara wyali vipkuroT

da xemsi miviRoT. axalamosulma

mzem nami orTqlad aqcia da kordebs

nisli aadina, romelsac qvevidan

cxvris fara da ZaRlebis yefa

amohyva.

40 wuTis jayjayis Semdeg (axla

es gza baqo-jeihanis navTobsadenis

gayvanis Semdeg sagrZnoblad gamosworda)

tabawyuris tba gamoCnda.

marTalia, jer kidev borjomis

raionSi vimyofebiT, magram es istoriuli

javaxeTia. iq, sadac calke

TrialeTze da TavkveTilas mTaze

saubrobs, vaxuSti batoniSvili

`tbis yuris~ tbasac axsenebs da ambobs:

`wyali ankara, sasmelad tkbili

da Semrgo~. am daxasiaTebas

aucileblad unda daematos sityva

`civi~, radgan tbis SuagulSi wyali

iseTi civia, rom SeiZleba TiTebi

dagazros.

aris Tqmulebis ori varianti,

romlis Tanaxmad es tba mdinare

qciis gadmogdebiT Seiqmna Tamar mefis

Tu vaxtang VI-is dros. iqidan

gamomdinare, rom tabawyuri mdidaria

TevziT, ra Tqma unda, imis varaudic

SeiZleba, rom aq odesRac

marTlac qciidan gadmoadines wyali,

magram is, rom vulkanuri tba

miwisqveSa wyaroebiT sazrdoobs da

amJamad qciasTan aranairi saerTo

ara aqvs, es udavoa. sarkis farTobiT

tabawyuri CvenSi mxolod faravans

da paliastoms CamorCeba, magram

siRrmiT yvelaze metia da roca

Relavs, mrisxane Sesaxedavia.

tbas aqvs erTi miniaturuli

kunZuli da erTic naxevarkunZuli,

romelzec sofel tabawyuris Zveli

ubania Sefenili. erT dros aq

mcxovreb mosaxleobas vaxuSti

TrialeTis mkvidrebad moixseniebs

da ase axasiaTebs: `xolo arian kacni

Trialelni mosilni viTarca

dbanisxevelni (e.i. grZeli Coxebi

mosavTo _ g.q.), simxne-haerovnebiTaca

egreTni, garna eseni umjobesni

yovliTa~.

1828 wlis Semdeg, roca ruse-

Tis mTavrobam aq baraleTeli som-

amieridan Cvens mkiTxvels javaxeTSi _ saqarTvelos

im uZveles mxareSi gavuZRvebi samogzaurod,

romelic istoriuli sabuTebiTac ki Zv-w-aR.is VIII

saukuneebidanaa cnobili _ urartus mefe argiSt I

Zv. w.aR.is 785 wliT daTariRebul warweraSi mis mier

dapyrobil mxareebSi asaxelebs zzaabbaaxxaass, romelic

qarTulad zevaxad da javaxad gamoiTqmis. orive saxeli

SemdgomSi pirTa saxelebadac iqca (iseve, rogorc

kaxa kaxeTidan, herosi hereTidan da qarTlosi

qarTlidan).

saqarTvelos sxva kuTxeebisgan gansxvavebiT, javaxeTSi

xeobebiTa da xevebiT ver vixelmZRvanelebT,

radgan mtkvris kanions Tu ar miviRebT mxedvelobaSi,

mTeli es mxare ori didi, mTiani zegania,

romelic mcire mdinareebiTaa daqsaqsuli da ara

dasazRvruli. sxvadasxva wyaros mixedviT javaxeTi

ZiriTadad or administraciul erTeulad yofila

moliTis taZris xedi samxreT-dasavleTidan;

werilis avtori da mamia SariqaZe moliTis erT-erT ciklopur kedelTan

xebi amoiyvana, qarTvelebi nel-nela

gaqrnen. 1850-1860 wlebSi sofelSi

mxolod 2 qarTuli ojaxi iyo dar-

Cenili, axla ki isinic aRar arian,

Tumca aqa-iq iseT adamianebsac SexvdebiT,

romlebic qarTul warmomavlobaze

saubroben. 1947 wels niko

berZeniSvili tabawyurSi gasomxebul

sandoZeebs Sexvedria. erTerT

maTgans markoz sandoZes qar-

Tuli isev xsomebia da mecnierisTvis

aseTi xalxuri leqsi uTqvams:

`qciiT ru vadinevi da xonis tba vadidevio~.

es strofi, garda imisa,

rom zeviT motanil Tqmulebas exmianeba,

imasac gvimxels, rom tabawyurs

adre xoni rqmevia. sofels

rom xoni erqva da Cvenc qarTvelebi

viyaviT, amis sabuTi `beJencobis~

dros davkargeTo _ uTqvams markozs.

soflis am

ubanSi dgas swo-

red X saukunis

naeklesiari _

didi da sufTad

gaTlili wiTeli

qviT nagebi taZari,

romelic

1940 wlis miwisZvras

Suaze

danawevrebuli. faravnis tbidan ZiriTadi mtkvris

(artanulas) xevamde arsebul zegans zzeemmoo jjaavvaaxxee-

TTii rqmevia, uSualod ZiriTadi mtkvris xeobas da

misgan dasavleTiT mdebare zegans _ qqvveemmoo jjaavvaaxxeeTTii.

am mxaris ubadlo mcodne devi berZeniSvili

javaxeTs damatebiT 4 fizikur-geografiul qveraionad

hyofs: 1) CCrrddiillooeeTTii _ WobareT-tabisyuri,

2) cceennttrraalluurrii _ axalqalaqis vake, 3) ssaammxxrreeTTii

_ karwax-faravani, 4) ddaassaavvlleeTTii _niali.

pirveli raioni, romelic osmaleTis imperiaSi

Semaval gurjistanis vilaieTis xxeerrTTvviissiiss lliivvaa-

SSii Sedioda, ttyyee-jjaavvaaxxeeTTaaddaaaa moxseniebuli. igi

odesRac tyiani rom yofila da mere gadasxvaferebula,

samsaris kompleqsis warwera da is legenda

adasturebs, romelic baraleTSi movismine. maT Sesaxeb

saTanado adgilze giambobT, axla ki mogzaurobas

SevudgeT.

tabawyuris taZris gare xedebi da interieris erTi kuTxe

gauxleCia da kedlebi miwaze gadauwvenia

daurRvevlad. naavdral

broweuls hgavs wiTeli taZari,

romelsac swored `wiTeli saydari~

SemorCenia saxelad. kedlebze

gvxvdeba mravali apotropuli simbolo:

e.w. bolnuri jvrebi, varskvlavebi,

geometriuli figurebi da

sxva. dasavleT kedelze amokveTilia

saintereso siuJetebi: `samoTxis

mcvelebi~, `wminda mxedrebi~,

`danieli lomebis xaroSi~.

Semonaxulia gadmocema, rom tabawyuris

wiTeli saydris warweriani

qva, rogorc istoriuli sabuTi,

am sofel-kuTxis gviandel mflobelebs,

Tavad ciciSvilebs kedlidan

amouRiaT. is warwera maT sasargeblod

ar iqneboda, radgan X saukuneSi

_ taZris agebis dros ciciSvil-fanaskertelebi

aqedan Sors,

taoSi cxovrobdnen.

am nataZralidan Crdilo-dasavleTiT

kidev erTi eklesiis naSTia

SemorCenili (igi amJamad SekeTebulia),

magram, mxatvruli TvalsazrisiT,

igi wiTel saydars ver Seedreba.

dRis meore naxevarSi tbis samxreT-dasavleT

kideSi mdebare meore

sofelSi, moliTSi SevdivarT,

sadac iqauri kultsaxlis gamge

gvxvdeba. rafaeli (ase hqvia Cvens

maspinZels), iseve rogorc yvela

moliTeli, somexia, magram qarTuli

kargad icis. mas axlaxan dawvia

saxlis zeda sarTuli da axla qveviT

cxovrobs. pirveli sarTuli

Zveli yaidisaa: saZinebel oTaxs saqonlis

sadgomisgan ficruli kedeli

hyofs. win derefania, sadac yvelisa

da erbos kasrebi dgas da

cxvris tyavebi hkidia. iqvea saostigne

da mcire cxvris baga. Soriaxlo

kruxi budobs. Cveni sastumroc

esaa...

rafaeli kidev erT qarTulis

mcodnes gvacnobs, romelsac karga

xnis winaT TbilisSi ucxovria, axla

ki aq sadurglo saqmianobas eweva.

igi qalaqur baiaTebs xan somxurad,

xan qarTulad mReris da somxeTidan

Camosul qaliSvils qarTulis

swavlas urCevs.

tabawyuris tba zRvis donidan

1989 metris simaRlezea, sofeli

moliTi ki ufro maRlaa _ 2030

metrze. javaxeTis isedac grZeli

zamTari aq kidev ufro xangrZlivia.

moliTi, romelic vaxuSti batoniSvilis

rukazec aris aRniSnuli,

Zalian Zveli sofeli Cans. ciklopuri

qvebiT naSeni yore-quCabandis

boloSi, tbis mxares, gamodis

gvirabi, romelic soflis SuaSi SemorCenili

naeklesiaridan unda

iwyebodes. es Zegli wiTel saydarze

mZime dReSia da Zalianaa dangreuli.

somxebs X-XI saukuneebis mar-

Tlmadidebluri taZris gadarCenili

sakurTxevlis afsidis gadakeTeba

da sakuTari samlocvelos mowyoba

ucdiaT erTxans, magram Semdeg

ganzraxvaze xeli auRiaT da

TavianTi kuTxe calke mouwyviaT.

moliTis taZaric umetesad wiTeli

Tlili qviTaa nagebi, magram misi

Strixebis detaluri gacocxleba

SeuZlebelia.

soflis saerTo xedis gadasaRebad

rafaelis navSi vsxdebiT da

tbis Suagulisken mivcuravT. aqamde

rom mxolod erTi ciklopuri yore

gvegona moliTSi, tbidan mTel gayolebaze

araerT aseT kedels vxedavT.

saocari sanaxaobaa: X saukunis

Tu ufro adrindel megaliTur

kedlebze Tanamedrove sofeli wamoskupebula

da ezoebidan Wrela-

Wrula sarecxs afrialebs baiara-

RebiviT.

gela qoqiaSvili

avtoris fotoebi


#32 (216), 18-24.VII, 2012 w.

jemal davlianiZe

`maTi mizania

gaanadguron

eris cneba~

(zviad gamsaxurdia agrZelebs

saubars korespondentTan)

`-riT ver daimsaxura Tqvenma

xelisuflebam dasavleTis

keTilganwyoba?

-Cven miviswrafodiT damoukidebeli

politikis gatarebisaken.

ar davemorCileT dasavluri

saxelmwifoebis diqtats,

ar viqeciT maTi interesebis

msaxurad, ufro martivad rom

vTqvaT, Cven ar davuSviT, rom

saqarTvelo dasavleTis koloniad

qceuliyo (rac dRes

ukve saxezea! _ j.d.). dasavleTs

ki mxolod iseTi xelisufleba

aZlevda xels, romelic usityvod

aRasrulebda mis nebas. es

iqca erT-erT mizezad samxedro

gadatrialebisa da xelisuflebaSi

centraluri sadazvervo

sammarTvelos (cru) agentisa

da evro-amerikuli imperializmis

pirdapiri agentis e. SevardnaZis

mosvlisa, magram dasavleTis

wyromas Cvens mimarT, kidev

erTi mizezi hqonda, - saxelmwifos

saTaveSi mosulni,

Cven veswrafvodiT erovnuli

kulturis aRorZinebas, xalxis

SekavSirebas erovnuli suliskveTebiT,

raTa mas mTeli siRrmiT

gaecnobierebina, rom gacilebiT

Zveli istoria aqvs, vid-

re bevr evropel xalxs... Cveni

politikis es erovnuli orientacia

ar iwvevda swored saerTo

evropuli saxlis mesveurTa

aRtacebas, radgan oficialuri

dasavleTi (mxedveloba-

Si maqvs xelisuflebani da ara

xalxebi) ebrZvis yovelgvar

erovnul moZraobas. maTi mizania

gaanadguron eris cneba saerTod

da Seqmnan erTiani msoflio

konglomerati saTaveSi

msoflio xelisuflebiT. am

msoflio mTavrobam unda ganagos

qveyniereba da daamyaros

e.w. axali msoflio wesrigi,

risi arsicaa: ganadgureba saxelmwifos

(qristianuli iqneba

is Tu musulmanuri, religias

isini ar aniWeben mniSvnelobas)

damoukideblobisa, genocidi am

qveynebis mosaxleobisa da saboloo

damorCileba mTeli planetisa,

Zalebi, romelTac ekisrebaT

msoflio xelisuflebis batonobis

Semzadeba, sxva qveynebs

ganixilaven mxolod resursebis

TvalsazrisiT. maTi mizania, es

qveynebi TavianTi xalxebiT,

mTavrobebiT, kulturebiTurT

aqcion ubralo teritoriebad,

gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix.

`saerTo gazeTi~ #14-31

sadac mosaxleobas datoveben

mxolod msoflio elitisaTvis

saWiro raodenobiT. amasTan,

sruliad demoralizebuls, mzadmyofs

misi interesebis samsaxurisaTvis.

am zraxvaTa ganxorcielebas

mxolod xalxTa erovnuli

TviTSegneba da erovnuli

saxelmwifoebis Seqmna SeiZleba

aRudges, amitom ebrZvis dasavleTi

erovnul moZraobebs, amitom

cdilobs eTniuri konfliqtebis

gaCaRebas da omebis

provocirebas. magaliTad, iugoslaviaSi

mimdinare omi maTi namoqmedaria.

es SemTxveviT, stiqiurad

aalebuli konfliqti ki

ar aris, aramed mizanmimarTulad

gaCaRebuli omia, romelSic

unda daiferflon erovnuli

ideis matarebeli xalxebi.

dRes dasavleTs iugoslaviis

modeli dasavleTidan gadaaqvs

kavkasiaSi, sadac balkaneTis

msgavsad xelovnurad

mwvavdeba erovnebaTaSorisi da-

Zabuloba. SemdgomSi xan aq, xan

iq afeTqebuli lokaluri konf-

liqtebi dasavleTs miscemen sababs

pirdapiri samxedro CarevisaTvis

gaerTianebuli erebis

organizaciis ZalTa saxiT. sul

axlaxan gakeTda gancxadeba, rom

nato qmnis swrafi reagirebis

Zalebs asi aTasi kacis SemadgenlobiT,

romelic Caereva msoflios

nebismier regionSi mimdinare

movlenebSi. friad sayuradReboa,

rom amasTan dakavSirebiT

moxsenebuli iqna kavkasia

da iugoslavia... aseTia arsi

axali msoflio wesrigisa da

dasavleTis politikisa, romelnic

mimarTulia msoflios yvela

xalxis TviTmyofadobisa da

damoukideblobis winaaRmdeg.

-batono prezidento, Tqven

ganzraxuli gqondaT iseTi saxelmwifos

aSeneba saqarTvelo-

Si, romelic orientirebuli iqneboda

erovnuli interesebisken.

ra migaCniaT umTavres pirobad

erovnuli saxelmwifos aSenebisaTvis?

-pirvel rigSi aucilebelia

SemuSaveba iseTi meqanizmisa,

romelic uzrunvelyofda qveyanaSi

mosaxle yvela erovnebis

urTierTTanxmobis miRwevas, erovnul

umciresobaTa uflebebis

ganuxrel dacvas... winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi msoflio kosmopo-

lituri Zalebi, romlebzedac

vlaparakobT, usaTuod Seecdebian

romelime erovnebis ukmayofileba

gamoiyenon saxelmwifos

rRvevisaTvis. es maTi nacadi da

qmediTi xerxia. TviTgamokvlevis

principi, rasakvirvelia ar

unda davides absurdamde. magaliTad,

Tu dRes ruseTSi volgispirelma

germanelebma germanuli

saxelmwifos Seqmna moindomes,

es yovlad dauSvebel

moTxovnad unda Sefasdes.

zviad gamsaxurdia:

`erovneba

ara aqvs cxovels~

-ratom qmnidiT mainc da mainc

erovnul saxelmwifos? saerTod,

raSi sWirdeba adamians

erovneba Tqveni TvalsazrisiT?

-swored erovnuli TviTSegneba

aqcevs adamians adamianad.

erovneba ara aqvs cxovels. sarwmunoeba

da erovnebaa is Ziri-

Tadi Tvisebebi, romelnic adamians

sxva sulierisgan ganasxvaveben

da misTvis am gansxvavebuli

Tvisebis warTmeva umZimesi dana-

Saulia adamianis winaSe. dasawyisi

misi, rogorc pirovnebis

degradaciisa. denacionalizacia

winaparTa da warsulis uaryofaa,

adamianis sruli mokveTaa

erovnuli fesvebisgan. kaci adamianur

arss mxolod Tavisi

erovnuli kulturis wiaRSi

inarCunebs. amitom adamianis

kultura ganuyrelad aris dakavSirebuli

mis erovnebasTan,

igi mSobliuri kulturis meSveobiT

eziareba msoflio civilizacias,

amdenad nacionalizacia

adamianisa da denacionalizacia

qveynisa, wyveten maT kav-

Sirebs danarCen samyarosTan da

daucvels toveben msoflio masStabiT

organizebuli kosmopolituri

Zalebis winaSe.

-riT aixsneba dasavleTis

esoden gazrdili interesi kavkasiis

mimarT?

-es regioni Zalze mniSvnelovania

geopolitikuri TvalsazrisiT.

kavkasiis mflobeli

flobs axlo aRmosavleTsac da

aziasac. es, sxvaTa Soris, mudam

esmodaT dasavleTis qveynebs,

ris gamoc brZola kavkasiisaTvis

uZvelesi droidan mimdinareobda

maTsa da ruseTs

Soris. wminda samxedro TvalsazrisiT,

kavkasia warmoadgens

xids dasavleTsa da aRmosavleTs

Soris, romelic metad

aucilebelia orive mxarisaTvis.

ruseTic kavkasias odiTganve

ganixilavda, rogorc mniSvnelovan

geopolitikur placdarms,

magram ruseTi dRes sustdeba

da amitom dasavleTi miiswrafvis

xelidan gamostacos

mas iniciativa, Tavisi gavlena

gaavrcelos am regionSi da moaxdinos

misi okupacia, magram

es SeuZlebelia kavkasiis sruli

`balkanizaciis~ gareSe.

swored am gegmis xorcSesxmi-

saTvis _ kavkasiis meore libanad

gadaqcevisaTvis aris gamogzavnili

SevardnaZe. man, magali-

Tad, amas winaT pirdapir mouwoda

natos, Caerios kavkasiis

saqmeSi.

—rogor afasebT ruseTis

dRevandel xelisuflebas da

mis politikas kavkasiaSi?

-ruseTis politika did zians

ayenebs ara mxolod kavkasiis

xalxebs, aramed Tavad ruseTis

samomavlo interesebsac.

ase magaliTad, elcinis xelisufleba

ar scnobs CrdiloeT

kavkasiis respublikebis damoukideblobas.

igi ver amCnevs, rom

amiT amwvavebs antirusul ganwyobilebas

regionSi. am dros

ki sakmarisia, ruseTma scnos

respublikebis damoukidebloba,

rom maTi saxiT myisve SeiZens

yvelaze erTgul megobrebs,

radgan aq mkafiod ganasxvaveben

elcinsa da ruseTis saxelmwifos

da pirvelisadmi aSkarad

arakeTilganwyobis sapirispirod

garkveul miswrafebas ganicdian

ruseTisadmi, rogorc

mfarvelisadmi dasavluri eqspansiisgan.

zviad gamsaxurdia:

`mudam miveswrafvodiT

mWidro kavSirs

ruseTTan~

-batono prezidento, Tavad

Tqven rogor ekidebiT ruseTs?

-Zalian kargad. vimedovneb,

arc Tqven aigivebT elcinsa da

ruseTs! mmarTvelebi modian da

midian, qveyana ki rCeba. me mimaCnia,

rom roli, romelsac dRes

ruseTi asrulebs kavkasiaSi, ar

Seesabameba missave interesebs

da okeanis gaRmidan aqvs Tavs

moxveuli. CemTvis ar aris ucxo

prorusuli ganwyoba. me mudam

miveswrafvodi mWidro kavSirs

ruseTTan da vocnebobdi saqar-

Tvelos hyoloda bunebrivi mokavSire

am Tavisi didi aRmosavleli

mezoblis saxiT, magram

es ar aZlevda xels dasavlur

samyaros da mis morCil xelisuflebas

ruseTisa. isini ganagrZoben

eTniuri konfliqtebis

gaCaRebas kavkasiaSi. Sedegad

Cven vdgavarT am konfliqtebis

did omSi gadazrdis savsebiT

realuri safrTxis winaSe. me

imedi maqvs, konfliqtSi CaTreuli

xalxebis, pirvel rigSi

rusi xalxis saRi azrisa da

gonierebisa. vimedovneb, igi Seignebs,

Tu vin da ra interese-

saerTo gazeTi

mware gakveTilebi

evroamerika, ruseTi da saqarTvelo

ciklidan: omi bneleTTan _ ricxvi misi 666

bis karnaxiT ubiZgebs rus jariskacebs

axali kavkasiuri

omis ufskrulisaken. am omSi

verc erTi mxare ver iqneba gamarjvebuli,

mxolod dasavleTi

moiTbobs xels axali omis alze.

me mwams xalxTa sibrZnisa.

es aris ukanaskneli, ramac unda

gvixsnas katastrofisagan~.

zviad gamsaxurdias am pasuxebSi,

ukve yovelive Tavis adgilzea.

naTladaa gamJRavnebuli

evroamerikuli imperializmis

Canafiqri. aRiZvris kiTxva: samxedro

gadatrialebamde, zviad

gamsaxurdiam icoda es yvelaferi

Tu am samxedro putCis Semdgom

mivida aseT daskvnebamde?

pasuxi calsaxaa _ zviadma

adrec icoda evroamerikuli

gegmebis Sesaxeb, magram bolomde

mainc ar sjeroda. amitom

Tavs ikavebda xmamaRali gancxadebebisagan.

evroamerika zviad gamsaxurdias

prezidentobas ki ar ebr-

Zoda, aramed im saqarTvelos, im

ganwyobas, xalxis im erTsulovnebas,

im aRmSeneblobas, im aRmafrenas,

im sulierebas, romelic

ase Zalumad amoifrqva im

wlebSi.

SevardnaZem pirdapiri davaleba

miiRo evroamerikeli ufrosebisgan

_ exelmZRvanela

zviad gamsaxurdias winaaRmdeg

agorebuli saprotesto gamosvlebisaTvis

da gaeZlierebina. Tanac,

umTavresSi TviTonve xels

umarTavdnen. moimarjves presatelevizia,

daiqiraves sulgayiduli

e.w. qarTveli eqspertebi,

politologebi, Jurnalistebi,

mwerlebi, profesorebi, akademikosebi,

yaCaRebi, sisxlis samar-

Tlis damnaSaveebi, gamohyves sa-

Tanado dafinanseba, gamogzavnes

tyvia-wamali, iaraRi...

am saSinel scenaze ki, wina

planze, mTavar rolSi aucileblad

ruseTi unda yofiliyo. evroamerikas

jer sabWoTa kavSir-

Si, Semdgom ki ruseTis federaciaSi,

xelisuflebis zemo eSelonebSi

hyavda sakuTari warmomadgenlebi

da am mxriv uzrunvelyofili

iyo yvelaferi. Zveleburad

aamuSaves kavkasiaSi

moTareSe, fulis mZebneli e.w.

boevikebi. gaavrceles Wori, rom

qarTvelebi arian agresorebi da

surT afxazi da osi xalxebis

genocidi. rac mTavaria, saamisod

ukve didi samuSaoebi ukve

Caatara SevardnaZem jer kidev

kompartiaSi, Semdgom ki moskov-

Si muSaobisas.

(gagrZeelba Semdeg nomerSi)

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

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SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-ze

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zafxuli – Svebulebebis gamoyenebis

yvelaze optimaluri

dro saqarTveloSi, dro, roca

yvela cdilobs qalaqidan gavides,

daisvenos, gairujos, da axali

STabeWdilebebiT dabrundes

saxlSi. umravlesoba zRvaze dasvenebas

arCevs, yvelas uyvars

curva, garujva, mzis abazanebis

miReba, Tumca, cotam Tu icis,

rom am siamovnebas, SesaZloa didi

usiamovnebebi mohyves janmrTelobis

da ar mxolod janmrTelobis

mxriv.

visac sakuTari manqana ar

hyavs da arc imdeni fuli aqvs

rom sazRvargareT daisvenos,

zRvispira qalaqSi matarebliT

midis. fasebi welsac ucvlelia,

Cqarosnul matarebelSi kupirebuli

bileTi – 20 lari, xolo

e.w. rbili ki 40 lari Rirs. mar-

Talia, Cqarosnuli matarebelia,

magram baTumSi mxolod 7 saaTsa

da 5 wuTSi moxvdebiT, da Tu

fiqrobT, rom an 20 larian bileTSi,

an 40 larianSi, Tundac

yava an Cai Sedis, Zalian cdebiT,

amisaTvis Tanxis damateba mogiwevT.

rac Seexeba fasebs sazRvao

qalaqebSi: yvelaze iafi welsac

grigoleTia. Tumca, igive ar iTqmis

sastumroeb “andamastsa” da

“vila retaze”, romlebic ara

marto grigoleTSi, aramed saer-

Tod, zRvispira zolSi erT-erTi

lideri sastumroebia. komfortisa

da Sesabamisad siZviris gamo,

aq umetesad ucxoelebi da xelisuflebis

warmomadgenleebi Cerdebian.

SedarebiT maRali fasebia

SekveTilSi. SekveTili yvelaze

wynari adgilia dasasveneblad,

amitom am adgils xSirad stum-

roben cnobili adamianebi, rom

xmaursa da cnobismoyvareTA mzeras

moeridnon. kidev ufro iwevs

fasi urekSi, sadac TiTqmis igive

bunebaa rac SekveTilSi, magram

komfortia meti, ukeTesi restornebi

da sastumroebia wamoWimuli

da saRamoobiT mxiarulebis

moyvaruli axalgazrdebi xmaurianad

da safuZvlianad erTobian.

pirveli globaluri problema,

romelic baTumSi dagvxvdebaT

– es koRoebia, xolo meore fa-

RaraTiT da gulisreviT mimdinare

enterovirusebi – rasac Ziri-

Tadad dabinZurebuli zRvis wyali

iwvevs. baTumSi yvela quCis

gagrZelebaze aris koleqtori,

sul 14 koleqtoria, romlebic

zRvaSi Caedineba. fekalur masebs

TvaliT advilad ver SevamCnevT,

magram mgoni mainc sjobs icodeT

visTan da rasTan erTad banaobT

lurj-yavisfer zRvaSi – ganavalis

75 % wylisagan Sedgeba, (es

ukve kargia) danarCeni 25% SemadgenlobaSi

Sedis baqteriebi,

cximebi, marilebi, mkvdari ujredebi,

lorwo da cocxali baqteriebi

– ai swored es baqteriebi

(gogirdisa da azotis madliT)

warmoqmnian Savi zRvis saganZuris

zafxuli zRvaze _ gadatanili

infeqcia, sazafxulo romani,

Sewyvetili fexmZimoba,

dacarielebuli biujeti da depresia

specifikur suns. gavrcelebuli

sibrZne, rom eqskrimenti ar iZireba

– ar Seefereba simarTles –

mxolod gazebiT umdidres fekaliebs

axasiaTebT tivtivi.

gasuli wlis zafxulSi

zRvaze banaobis Semdeg infeqciuri

daavadebebiT saavadmyofoSi

bevri bavSvi moxvda. yovewliurad

baTumSi uamrav adamians aRiniSneba

sxvadasxva saxis virusuli daavadeba

– dizbaqteriozi, CawiTlebuli

Tvalebi, dagubebuli yurebi

qaviliT, daavadebuli kani

da bevri, Zalian bevri onkologiuri

daavadebebi. magram, miuxedavad

amisa, zRvaze mec davdivar da

arc sxvebi daiSlian banaobas, amitom

vecadoT SedarebiT sufTa

adgilebi vipovnoT sabanaod -

samxreTidan CrdiloeTisken gabatonebuli

dinebis gamo, baTumSi

masebi gadadis CrdiloeTiT. es

yvelaferi airekleba baTumis koncxze

da Sedis zRvis siRrmeSi.

amitom mwvane koncxi da qobule-

Ti am zegavlenisagan metnaklebad

daculia. rac Seexeba baTums, aq

SedareebiT sufTa adgilebia e.w.

“piSevikebis” teritoria burun-

Tabies koncxidan iaxtklubamde,

aseve sarfis da gonios sanapiroebi.

yvelaze binZuri sanapiro ki

qalaqis dasawyisSi - “benzeSia”.

“benze” ubans ewodeba da imitom

daerqva rom aq adre, sabWoTa kav-

Siris dros benzingadamamuSavebeli

qarxana muSaobda da faqtiurad

pirveli dasaxlebac swored

qarxnis muSebisgan Sedga. amboben,

qarxnidan narCenebi gaufiltravad

Caedineboda zRvaSio. navTobis

narCenebi zRvis fskerze daileqa

da dRemde ver moaxerxa

zRvam misi gawmendao. marTalia,

zRvas aqvs TviTgawmendis unari,

magram albaT, ara am raodenobis

sibinZurisa. “benzesa”: da axlomaxlo

ubnebSi, xan pliaJze qvaze

ipovniT mazuTs, xanac zRvidan

amoxvalT mazuTiT dalaqavebuli

sacurao kostumiT.

ginekologebi Tvlian, rom

zRvidan dabrunebisTanave yvela

qalma unda Caitaros ginekologiuri

kvleva, radgan ucxo garemo-

Si, ucxo mikrofloriT, SesaZloa

uneblie dainficireba moxdes,

Sedegi ki sakmaod gvian gamovlindes,

radgan infeqciebis

did nawils aqvs faruli da veragi

mimdinareoba. Tu trixomonia

an honorea daemarTa adamians, is

amas maSinve, pirvelive kviraSi

mixvdeba, inkubaciis periodis

gasvlisTanave (qavili, arasasiamovno

suni, Warbi gamonadeni,

tkivili da wva Sardvisas da

sxva) magram, sxva paTologiebis

dros es simptomebi klinikurad

ar vlindeba da Cumad azianebs

organizms. saboloo jamSi aRmoCndeba

rom milebia dazianebuli,

an Sexorcebuli – rac uSvilobis

gamomwvvei mizezia. bolo

dros sakmaod xSiria e.w. miqs-infeqciebi

– am dros xvadasxva infeqcia

erTadaa Sereuli da xdeba

adamianis ramdenime daavadebiT

erTdroulad dasnebovneba. Tumca

miqs-infeqcia, TiTqmis SeuZlebelia

mxolod zRvas da an pliaJs

daabralo – radgan rogorc wesi,

is SemTxveviTi kontaqtis arasasurveli

“saCuqaria”.

ra wesebi unda davicvaT janmrTelobis

SesanarCuneblad

sazRvao qalaqSi? – ar unda iwveT

mzis sxivebis qveS roca mze

zenitSia, ar gaataroT didi dro

svel sacurao kostiumSi da moerideT

SemTxveviT kontaqtebs.

adamians aqvs rogorc zogadi, ise

lokaluri imuniteti. lokalur

anu adgilobriv imunur sistema-

Si Sedis genitaliuri organoebi.

Tu dairRva mJavatutovani wonasworoba,

maSin organizmSi problemebic

Cndeba. zRvis wyali mariliania

da Sesabamisad iq didxans

yofnam SesaZloa daarRvios

mJavatutovani wonasworoba. Tu

aseTi xangrZlivi banaobis Semdeg

sveli sabanao kostiumiT mzes

xangrZlivad mieficxebiT lokaluri

sasqeso organoebis gadacieba

moxdeba. Tan, gaiTvaliswineT

isic, rom arsebobs mikrofloris

garkveuli saxeobebi, romlebic

mSral sacvalze ar gadadis,

svelze ki advilad ikidebs fexs.

da advilad mravldeba.

da kidev erTi didi problema,

romelic sazRvao qalaqidan

dabrunebul mandilosnebs aqvT –

arasasurveli fexmZimobaa. msoflio

statistikis mixedviT weliwadSi

msoflioSi 46 milioni

aborti keTdeba. aqedan 19 milioni

riskiani da saSiSi, radgan araregalurad

keTdeba WuWyian da

arahigienur adgilebSi. rogorc

ginekologebi amboben abortis gakeTebis

moTxovniT, am bolos,

xSirad mimarTaven 14-19 wlis

gogonebi. kanoniT akrZalulia 18

wlamde abortis gakeTeba, amitom

eqimebi am Temaze Riad saubars

eridebian, magram pirad saubarSi

yvela klinikis ginekologi

aRiarebs, rom bolo dros

procentulad yvelaze xSirad

aborts swored 14-dan

19 wlamde gogonebi ikeTeben.

umetesad isini dedebs,

an bebiebs mohyavT, zogs daqali

mihyvebi da Zalian iSviaTad

romelime gogonas

partniori mamakaci mihyves.

gagikvirdebaT da 21-e saukuneSi

aralegaluri abortebic

xSiria, radgan 14

wlis gogona gvian xvdeba

rom orsuladaa, an eqimTan

misvlamde eqimbaSTan cdis

beds, rac imiT sruldeba

rom bolos mucelgaberili

da 4 Tvis fexmZime midis

arasasurveli fexmZimobis

Sesawyvetad. ramdenime ginekologi

mesaubra kolegebze,

romlebic saxlis pirobebSi

aralegarul abortebs ake-

Teben. msgavs pirobebSi momsaxurebac

naklebi Tanxa

Rirs. erT ginekologs ki

iseTi SemTxvevac hqonda, roca 18

wlis mozardma masTan meSvided

gaikeTa aborti. 50-60 procentisTvis

is erTi abortic ki boloa

da uSvilo rCeba. yvelaferi

imiT iwyeba, rom mSoblebi an metismetad

endobian Svilebs da

uflebas aZleven Ramis 2-3 saa-

Tamde klubebSi iaron, an ubralod

ar scaliaT SvilebisTvis.

garda amisa, saqarTveloSi mozardebi

informacias sqesobrivi kav-

Siris kulturis Sesaxeb quCidan

damaxinjebuli, vulgaruli formiT

iReben. daucveli sqesobrivi

kavSiris dros, mxolod dafexm-

Zimebis riski rodia maRali, aseve

xSiria infeqciuri, daavadebebiT

dasnebovneba, amitom ginekologebs

miaCniaT rom fexmZimobis

swori dagegmvisa da seqsualuri

cxovrebis dros Tavis dacvis sa-

Sualebebze, mozardebs aucileblad

unda ekiTxebodeT leqciebis

kursi. daniaSi sqesobrivi aRzrdis

skolis Seqmnas 150 weli moandomes.

igive modelis Seqmna

igegmeboda saqarTveloSic, magram

didi winaaRmdegobis gamo, es

proeqti CaiSala. saqarTveloSi

Tvlian, rom 15 wlis gogonasa da

biWs am Temaze saubari ar sWirdebaT,

Semdeg ki igive mSoblebs

14 wlis qaliSvili arakanonieri

abortis gasakeTeblad romelime

ginekologis binaSi miyavs.

rogorc ginekologebi amboben,

abortebis ricxvi gansakuTrebiT

SemodgomiT imatebs mniSnelovnad.

sazafxulo romani rogorc

mozardebs, ise zrdasrul

mandilosnebs urevs Tavgzas. mokled,

qmrebo, Seyvarebulebo, mamebo,

nu gauSvebT Tqvens qalbatonebs

zRvaze martos, iq isini alfonsebisTvis

advilad xelmisawvdomebi

arian.

da bolos, is rac SemodgomiT

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