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12 saerTo gazeTi #22 (206), 9-15.V, 2012 w.<br />
gvesaubreba partia `Tavisufali<br />
saqarTvelos~ Tavmjdomare<br />
kaxa kukava:<br />
_ kaxa, ras ityviT, aSS<br />
kvlav saakaSvils uWers mxars?<br />
_ arsebobs politikuri TamaSis<br />
wesebi, maT Soris amerikuli,<br />
romelic Semdegs moiTxovs<br />
_ qveyanaSi, rogorc<br />
xelisufleba, ise opozicia<br />
nominalurad unda arsebobdes.<br />
aSS-sTvis mniSvnelovania sazogadoebriv<br />
azrze zegavlenas<br />
srulad flobdes, isini unda<br />
akontrolebdnen saqarTveloSi<br />
yvela moTamaSes _ xelisuflebas,<br />
opoziciasac, mediasac, eqspertebsac<br />
da arasamTavroboebsac.<br />
amitomac, isini am logikiT<br />
muSaoben. is, rom aSS `nac.<br />
moZraobis~ garda `qristiandemokratebTan~,<br />
`axal memarjveneebTan~,<br />
`qarTul ocnebas-<br />
Tan~ `respublikelebTan~ muSaobs,<br />
es erTgvari speqtaklia,<br />
partiebs eubnebian _ Tqvi, vi-<br />
Tom opozicia xar, viTom xelisufleba<br />
xar. am dros arc<br />
xelisuflebaa xelisufleba da<br />
arc opoziciaa opozicia. yvelam<br />
kargad viciT, rom saqarTvelos<br />
saakaSvili ki ara, aramed<br />
aSS-s saelCo marTavs, xolo<br />
miSa maT azrebs axmovanebs.<br />
meore mxriv, arc opozicia ar<br />
aris opozicia imitom, rom<br />
isini araferSi ar ewinaaRmdegebian<br />
xelisuflebis kurss.<br />
daakvirdiT NDI-s da `airais~_<br />
gamokiTxvebs. SemiZlia eqskluziurad<br />
giTxraT Semdegi _<br />
zustad vici, rom NDI-s gamokiTxvebis<br />
mixedviT Cvens partias<br />
14 procentiani reitingi<br />
hqonda, romelic ar gamocxadebula.<br />
Tumca, me vaiZuleb amis<br />
Sesaxeb gancxadeba gaakeTon,<br />
radgan zust informacias<br />
vflob amis Taobaze, mtkicebulebebi<br />
maqvs da NDI-s amis<br />
aRiareba mouwevs. savaraudod<br />
am monacemebs respublikuri institutic<br />
flobs. ratom aqveyneben<br />
isini sxva partiebis<br />
reitingebs da blokaven Cvens<br />
politikur organizacias? _<br />
imitom, rom maTTvis pro-amerikul<br />
partiebs Soris vis eqneba<br />
11 procenti da vis 31 procenti,<br />
meorexarisxovania. mTavaria<br />
`Tavisufali saqarTvelos~<br />
mimarT sazogadoebis simpaTiebis<br />
zrda ar moxdes. piradi<br />
kontaqtebidan vici, rom<br />
isini mTavar safrTxed swored<br />
`Tavisufal saqarTvelos~ aRiqvamen<br />
da ara romelime im<br />
opoziciur Zalas, romelic<br />
Tavidan bolomde aSS-s marionetuli<br />
mmarTvelobis mier<br />
damkvidrebul, e.w. liberalur<br />
faseulobebs iziarebs.<br />
_ kaxa, natoSi gawevrianeba<br />
da avRaneTSi Cveni jarebis<br />
gawveva axsene. Tu erT pro-amerikul<br />
Zalas meoreTi CavanacvlebT,<br />
romelic aseve warmatebiT<br />
gagvawevrianebs natoSi, av-<br />
RaneTSi amogvixocavs qarTvel<br />
jariskacebs, risTvis vibrZviT<br />
maSin?<br />
_ diax, es SekiTxva gvaqvs<br />
Cvenc, qarTul sazogadoebas _<br />
bolobolo unda vicodeT ra<br />
gvinda. Cveni sazogadoeba iciT<br />
vis hgavs? _ luarsab TaTqari-<br />
Zes `kacia-adamianidan~, romelmac<br />
Zalian Tu Sewuxdeba da<br />
ofli daasxams, SeiZleba Subli<br />
moiwmindos, an buzi Tu daajda<br />
xeli auqnios, magram konceptualurad,<br />
ra saxelmwifos<br />
Seneba gvinda, amaze fiqrisTvis<br />
qarTulma sazogadoebam jer<br />
ver moicala, roca SevardnaZem<br />
qarTveli sazogadoeba Zalian<br />
Seawuxa, xalxi quCaSi gamovida<br />
da igi gaagdes, magram arcerTi<br />
wuTiT ar gvifiqria, Tu<br />
ra gvindoda SevardnaZis Semdgom,<br />
amitomac miviReT saakaSvili.<br />
dResac, rodesac saakaSvili<br />
ukve Zalian Semawuxebelia,<br />
sazogadoeba drtvinavs, magram<br />
Zalian cota dros uTmobs imaze<br />
fiqrs, Tu ra iqneba saakaSvilis<br />
Semdgom. garwmunebT,<br />
rogorc SevardnaZis avtomaturma<br />
gadadgomam progresi ar<br />
moitana, aseve moxdeba saakaSvilis<br />
SemTxvevaSic. kargad unda<br />
davfiqrdeT, Tu gvinda iseTive<br />
damoukidebelni viyoT, rogorc<br />
safrangeTi, germania da<br />
sxvebi, unda vicodeT, rom es<br />
qveynebi amerikis koloniebi ar<br />
arian. am qveynebma TavianT ganviTarebas<br />
mxolod Zalian<br />
principuli, ukompromiso, xSirad<br />
sisxliani brZolis Sedegad<br />
miaRwies. Tu Cven gvinda<br />
aSS-s marTvis qveS myofi, axali<br />
tipis kolonia viyoT, sadac<br />
inglisuri saxelmwifo ena<br />
iqneba da aSS-s 51-e Stati viqnebiT,<br />
maSin ar unda gvqondes<br />
pretenzia, rom iseve vicxovrebT,<br />
rogorc germanelebi an<br />
frangebi. amerikuli koloniebi,<br />
Tanamedrove msoflioSi,<br />
esaa erayi, avRaneTi, afrikaSi<br />
uamravi damokidebuli reJimi,<br />
libia da a.S. amitom qarTulma<br />
sazogadoebam arCevani unda gaakeTos.<br />
es procesi 2012 wlis<br />
oqtomberSi ar mTavrdeba, magram<br />
iwyeba. `Tavisufali saqar-<br />
Tvelo~ qarTvel sazogadoebas<br />
swored evropul arCevans sTavazobs,<br />
raTa Tavisufali eri<br />
viyoT. arian pro-amerikuli<br />
partiebi, romlebic<br />
qarTvel xalxs eubnebian<br />
_ ar gvinda bevri<br />
fiqri, SevcvaloT<br />
saakaSvili, mis nacvlad<br />
moviyvanoT savle<br />
an pavle da sxva yvelaferi<br />
ucvlelad<br />
darCes. ra ufro misa-<br />
Rebi iqneba xalxisTvis,<br />
oqtomberSi gamoCndeba.<br />
_ anu Tu sworad<br />
gavige problema saakaSvilis<br />
Secvla ki ara qveynis<br />
amerkis koloniisgan gaTavisuflebaa?<br />
_ dRes Cven vcxovrobT 21-<br />
e saukuneSi, roca politikuri<br />
brZolis formebi Secvlilia.<br />
jer kidev me-19-e saukuneSi<br />
ilia werda, rom xmliT mosuli<br />
mteri saSiSi ar ariso. me-<br />
20 saukuneSi politikur<br />
brZolaSi spec. samsaxurebi da<br />
finansuri monopoliebi asrulebdnen<br />
gadamwyvet rols. ukve<br />
amanac dakarga aqtualoba.<br />
dRes mTavari ideologiaa _ interneti<br />
_ `Youtube~ da<br />
`Facebook~ bevrad ufro Zlier<br />
gavlenas axdens politikur<br />
procesze, vidre aSS-s yvela<br />
spec. samsaxuri erTad aRebuli.<br />
amitom Cveni mTavari amocana<br />
qarTuli sazogadoebis gamofxizlebaa,<br />
qarTuli sazogadoebrivi<br />
azris Seqmna _ ra<br />
gvsurs, rogori saxelmwifos<br />
Seqmna gvinda 21-e saukuneSi.<br />
rodesac 80-iani wlebis<br />
bolos gamsaxurdiam da kostavam<br />
erovnuli moZraoba daiwyes,<br />
isini saqarTvelos damoukideblobis,<br />
komunisturi<br />
reJimis Secvlis da ara gumbariZis<br />
gadayenebis moTxovniT<br />
gamodiodnen. warmogidgeniaT,<br />
raoden sasacilo iqneboda gamsaxurdias<br />
mTavar moTxovnad<br />
gumbariZis gadayeneba rom daeyenebina,<br />
es xom arafers Secvlida?!<br />
asea axlac, saakaSvilis<br />
gadadgoma qveynisTvis absoluturad<br />
arafers ar Secvlis.<br />
amiT, SeiZleba Sinagani<br />
boRma gavaneitralod da meti<br />
araferi. me aravisze naklebi<br />
siZulvili ar maqvs mis<br />
mimarT, elementarulad Cemi<br />
piradi bolo wlebis biografiidan<br />
gamomdinare, magram rogorc<br />
politikosma minda<br />
vTqva, rom es qveynisTvis arafers<br />
Secvlis. vimeoreb, Cven<br />
kaxa kukava:<br />
2006-Si vinc gvarbevda,<br />
2007 wels Cveni Tanamoazre gaxda,<br />
2007 wels vinc gvawiokebda,<br />
2008-Si Cveni TanamebrZoli<br />
gaxda. ra moxdeba 2012 wels da<br />
vin Semogvemateba 2011 wlidan?<br />
aSS-s marionetuli reJimis<br />
Secvla gvWirdeba. es ar aris<br />
Cemi axireba. politikuri sistema,<br />
romelic ase Zalian ar<br />
mogvwons saakaSvils ar Seuqmnia,<br />
aramed amas msoflios yvela<br />
kontinentze aSS hqmnis. is<br />
ekonomikuri siduxWire, rac<br />
saqarTveloSia, amis avtoria<br />
ara saakaSvili, aramed e.w. Tavisufali<br />
vaWrobis koncefcia,<br />
romelsac swored amerikuli<br />
institutebi qadageben. arc<br />
kulturuli faseulobebis ngreva<br />
da axalgazrdobis gadagvarebaa<br />
saakaSvilis mogonili,<br />
aramed es aris swored is, rasac<br />
aSS liberalur faseulobebs<br />
uwodebs da ase agresiulad<br />
nergavs mTels msoflio-<br />
Si. sxvaTaSoris, erTma Cemma<br />
megobarma amas liberaluri<br />
fundamentalizmi uwoda.<br />
_ ras unda niSnavdes `endi-ais~<br />
da `ai-rais~ kvlevis is<br />
Sedegebi, romlebsac es organizaciebi<br />
ulufa-ulufad awvdian<br />
sazogadoebas?<br />
_ rodesac NDI-m kvleva<br />
gamoaqveyna, romlis mixedviTac<br />
`nac. moZraoba~ eWvgareSe imarjvebs<br />
am arCevnebSi, ganacxades<br />
_ iciT, ra es ar aris amerikis<br />
mTavrobis pozicia, aramed<br />
luis navaroa cudi kacio. axla,<br />
roca `ai-raimac~ igive gamoaqveyna,<br />
eqspertebma gamoacxades<br />
_ arc `ai-rai~ gamoxatavs<br />
aSS-s mTavrobis poziciaso.<br />
aSS-Si sul ori partiaa _ demokratiuli<br />
da respublikuri.<br />
SeiZleba demokratiuli ar<br />
mogwondes da respublikuri<br />
ki, an piriqiT, magram roca<br />
arc demokratebi mogwons da<br />
arc respublikelebi da acxadeb,<br />
rom aSS Zalian mogwons,<br />
es saRi azrisgan Zalian daSorebuli,<br />
rogorc dasavleT-saqarTveloSi<br />
ityvian daCoCebulia.<br />
_ Cveni `respublikelebi~<br />
amerikidan bednierni dabrundnen,<br />
Tumca riTi _ erma ver gaigo.<br />
_`respublikelebis~ da<br />
qarTveli eris amocanebi erTmaneTisgan<br />
gansxvavdeba. amitom<br />
is, rom `respublikuri partia~<br />
raRac procesiT kmayofilia,<br />
isini amaSi gulwrfelni arian,<br />
ubralod maTi amocanebi ar em-<br />
Txveva qarTveli erisas. Tuki<br />
`respublikelebi~ parlamentSi<br />
xuTkacian fraqcias Seqmnian,<br />
es mTels maT biografiaSi ise-<br />
Tive miRweva iqneba, rogorc<br />
saqarTvelos fexburTis nakrebi<br />
msoflio Cempioni rom gaxdes.<br />
amitom, bunebrivia, isini<br />
im viTarebiT, rac axla iqmneba<br />
kmayofilni arian.<br />
amerikis mTavrobis gancxadebebi,<br />
maT Soris NDI-s kvlevebisac,<br />
ramdenjerme, winaswar<br />
gamogicxadeT. SemiZlia giTxraT,<br />
rogori iqneba, arCevnebis<br />
Semdeg meore adgilze gasuli<br />
politikuri Zalis gancxadeba<br />
_ Cven mogvpares gamarjveba,<br />
gagviyalbes xmebi, magram mTavaria<br />
mTeli msoflio Cven gvi-<br />
Wers mxars, vaCvenoT mTels<br />
msoflios civilizebulobis<br />
magaliTi da vemzadoT saprezidento<br />
arCevnebisTvis, sadac<br />
beWebze davdebT `nac. moZraobas~-o.<br />
CaiwereT es, sityvasityviT<br />
am gancxadebas moismenT<br />
arCevnebidan ramodenime<br />
dRis Semdeg.<br />
_ saakaSvili bolo dros<br />
araadekvaturia, Tumca aSS amaze<br />
ar reagirebs.<br />
_ saakaSvili aris kokainis<br />
momxmarebeli, es politikur,<br />
maT Soris amerikul wreebSi<br />
saidumlos ar warmoadgens. es<br />
informacia 2 wlis win amerikuli<br />
pirvelwyarosgan miviRe.<br />
me ar mjera, rom adamiani<br />
SeiZleba 2011 wlade ar iyos<br />
patrioti da 2011 wlis Semdgom<br />
gaxdes. es masobrivad xdeba<br />
qarTul politikaSi _ 2006<br />
wels vinc gvarbevda 2007<br />
wels Cveni Tanamoazre gaxda,<br />
2007-Si vinc gvarbevda 2008-<br />
Si Cveni Tanamoazre gaxda da<br />
a.S. es ar mjera. ar SeiZleba<br />
mogwondes 7 noemberi da aRgaSfoTos<br />
26-ma maisma.<br />
Tamar SveliZe