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12 interviuliteraturuli gazeTimwerali_ upirvel<strong>es</strong>ad, Tqvenze gviambeT.vin aris nino sadRobelaSvili <strong>da</strong>rogor movi<strong>da</strong> literaturaSi?_ xom gagigiaT aseTi fraza _`rac Tavi maxsovs, vwer~, Cems SemTxvevaSimarTla ase iyo. Rrma bavSvobi<strong>da</strong>nraRacebs vCxapnidi. kalami <strong>da</strong>furceli Zalian axlobeli iyoCemTvis. fSaveli bebo myav<strong>da</strong>, romelsacpoezia uyvar<strong>da</strong>. dila leqsiT iwyebo<strong>da</strong><strong>da</strong> saRamoc leqsiT mTavrdebo<strong>da</strong>– vaJa-fSavela, akaki wereTeli,puSkini, lermontovi _ rusulad,qarTulad... rogorc Cans, <strong>es</strong> yvelaferigaj<strong>da</strong> CemSi <strong>da</strong> Zalian didikvalic <strong>da</strong>tova. ojaxSi xelovanixalxi cxovrob<strong>da</strong>: mama kargad mRero<strong>da</strong>,bebos Zmebi S<strong>es</strong>aniSnavad kafiobdnen<strong>da</strong> iq rom Cavdiodi, udid<strong>es</strong> siamovnebasviRebdi. sufraze ise ga<strong>da</strong>eleqsebodnenerTmaneTs, rom gagixaria.aqe<strong>da</strong>n gamomdinare, poezia <strong>da</strong>saerTod, literatura CemSi Zal<strong>da</strong>utanebladSemovi<strong>da</strong>. raRac momentSigavacnobiere, rom wera CemTvis ise-Tive bunebrivi mdgomareobaa, rogorcgaRviZeba, sunTqva, moZraoba.Tavi<strong>da</strong>n Jurnalistobas vapirebdi,magram erTma axlobelma kulturisinstitutSi mirCia Cabareba, sa<strong>da</strong>cliteraturul saxelosnos vaxuStikotetiSvili uZRvebo<strong>da</strong>. <strong>es</strong> iyoaraCveulebrivi periodi, Tumca Cvenmafakultetma sul ramdenime weliwadsiarseba. samwuxarod, am yvelafersmxolod eqsperimentis saxehqon<strong>da</strong>. sainter<strong>es</strong>o xalxi swavlob<strong>da</strong>saxelosnoSi. maxsovs, batonma vaxuStimgviTxra, weras verc me gaswavliT<strong>da</strong> verc vinme sxva, ubralod,literaturaze g<strong>es</strong>aubrebiT <strong>da</strong> vecdebi,gemovneba CamogiyaliboTo. imdros ukve Zalian avad iyo <strong>da</strong> mcirexnianiurTierToba gamogvivi<strong>da</strong>, magramam urTierTobis yoveli dRe <strong>da</strong> wuTimaxsovs. nel-nela <strong>es</strong> yvelaferi seriozulsaqmed meqca. saqmed, uromliso<strong>da</strong>ccxovreba ver warmomidgenia._ Tqveni Semoqmedeba poeziasacmoicavs <strong>da</strong> prozasac. romeli iyopirvelad, leqsi Tu moTxroba, sai<strong>da</strong>nsad waxvediT?_ sxvaTa Soris, amas mec vikvlev,magram <strong>da</strong>zustebiT Tqma miWirs. bavSvobisnawerebi<strong>da</strong>n bevri araferi SemomrCa,Tumca maxsovs, moTxrobas romvwerdi, aucileblad CavurTavdixolme leqss. <strong>es</strong> Janri Zalze bunebrivadmeCvenebo<strong>da</strong>. simarTle giTxraT,CemTvis poeziaa upirvel<strong>es</strong>i. poeziaSimiviCnev Tavs a<strong>da</strong>mianad, iseTad,rogoric RmerTma Camifiqra. racun<strong>da</strong> bevri vimuSavo prozaSi, ra ZaliTacun<strong>da</strong> <strong>da</strong>vixarjo, erTi leqsisruliad ga<strong>da</strong>wonis xolme yvelafers.bolo dros dramaturgiaSic movsinjeZala. Cems irgvliv ZiriTa<strong>da</strong>d Teatralurisamegobroa Tavmoyrili. maTZalian Semiwyv<strong>es</strong> xeli, rom am JanrSimemuSava. sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime wliswin swored erT-erTi maTganis, re-Jisor giorgi sixaruliZis iniciativiTga<strong>da</strong>vakeTeT pi<strong>es</strong>ad Cemi moTxroba_ `bambaziis samoTxe~, romelicquTaisSi <strong>da</strong>idga. mogvianebiT filmicga<strong>da</strong>iR<strong>es</strong>._ Zalian sainter<strong>es</strong>o moTxrobaa,sulSiCamwvdomi, Tumca pi<strong>es</strong>isTvissiuJeti Seicvala.nino sadRobelaSvili:17 - 30 ivnisi 2011`ostatoba isaa, ar <strong>da</strong>imsgavsosakuTari Semoqmedeba~is, rom suliT poetia, yvelaferSi igrZnoba _ laparakSi, mzeraSi <strong>da</strong>rac mTavaria _ leqsSi. suliT poetia, magram mkiTxvelma moTxrobebiTgaicno. `bambaziis samoTxe~ _ ase hqvia patara krebuls, romelSic misigulis nawilebi, misi moTxrobebis gmirebi cxovroben: maswavlebel rZalzemeocnebe beatriCe sordia, kafan<strong>da</strong>ra marine, berZeni giJi dimitriosiliadisi, wmin<strong>da</strong>ura <strong>da</strong> lena dei<strong>da</strong>, pirmomtvreuli makratliT rom Wrispatara bambaziis Sarvlebi<strong>da</strong>n kurdRlebs, ciyvebs, bambukebs <strong>da</strong> oTaxiskedlebze akravs. sxvebic arian _ yvelas ver CamovTvliT. aris erTi romanic,saxelwodebiT _ `orsuli~ <strong>da</strong> erTic leqsebis wigni _ `SuaRamisiavnana.~ jerjerobiT <strong>es</strong>aa is, rasac nino sadRobelaSvilis mxatvruli samyarohqvia, Tumca `samkali bevri ars~, misi samwerlo gza xom ramdenimewelia <strong>da</strong>iwyo. am gzis <strong>da</strong>sawyisSi dgas TviTon _ qars gatanebuli purismarcvali, Tavis wil mkiTxvels elis <strong>da</strong> sakuTar Tavze, sakuTar Semoqmedebazegv<strong>es</strong>aubreba._ moTxroba sul sxva ganwyobiT<strong>da</strong>iwera _ lirikuliT, sevdianiT.maxsovs misi weris proc<strong>es</strong>ic _ erTdrouladTbili <strong>da</strong> mtkivneuli. racSeexeba pi<strong>es</strong>as, aq sruliad konkretulimizani <strong>da</strong>visaxeT _ siuJeti gavamZafreT<strong>da</strong> aqcenti afxazeTisTemaze ga<strong>da</strong>vitaneT. `bambaziissamoTxi<strong>da</strong>n~ mxolod ori personaJi<strong>da</strong>rCa: qali, romelsac afxazeTis omSiSvili moukv<strong>da</strong> <strong>da</strong> misi Svilis naomari,ufunqciobisgan galoTebuli megobari.siuJeti qarTveli <strong>da</strong> afxazi dedebisurTierTobis fonze viTardeba,romelTac gar<strong>da</strong>cvlili SvilebiakavSirebT: afxazeTSi afxazi de<strong>da</strong> orsaflavs uvlis – Tavisi Svilis <strong>da</strong> misiqarTveli mkvlelisas. finalSi, rod<strong>es</strong>ac<strong>es</strong> qalebi erTmaneTs xvdebian, afxazide<strong>da</strong> qarTvel qalbatons bodiSissanacvlod Svilis Zvlebis gatanebazeTanxmdeba, Tumca <strong>es</strong> ukanasakneliuars ambobs, imis miuxe<strong>da</strong>vad, rom wlebisganmvlobaSi mxolod amaze ocnebob<strong>da</strong>.pi<strong>es</strong>aze gansakuTrebulad vimuSaveT.giorgi sixaruliZem SemoqmedebiTimivlinebac ki moawyo zRvaze.marTalia, <strong>es</strong> ar iyo afxazeTiszRva, magram saWiro ganwyoba Seiqmna.`bambaziis samoTxe~ ramdenime wlis win<strong>da</strong>idga <strong>da</strong> dRemde soxumis TeatrSisezoni am speqtakliT ixsneba. <strong>da</strong>rbaziyovelTvis savsea, rac imas niSavs,rom samwuxarod Tu sabednierod, <strong>es</strong>Tema jer kidev mtkivneulia <strong>da</strong>aRelvebs mayurebels.sxvaTa Soris, videofirze ga<strong>da</strong>Rebuli`bambaziis samoTxe~ afxazebmacixil<strong>es</strong>. aris aseTi afxazi qalbatoni– <strong>es</strong>ma kvekv<strong>es</strong>kiria, qarTveli Svilebisde<strong>da</strong>, romelmac pi<strong>es</strong>is teqsti afxazuradTargmna <strong>da</strong> soxumSi waiRo.saocrad vRelavdiT, gvainter<strong>es</strong>eb<strong>da</strong>,rogor miiRebdnen iqaurebispeqtakls. TbilisSi <strong>da</strong>brunebulmaqalbatonma <strong>es</strong>mam gviambo, Tu rogormouyara Tavi 30 afxazs <strong>da</strong> aCvena <strong>es</strong>diski. saerTod, afxazebi saqarTvelo<strong>da</strong>nCatanils yvelafers ironiuladuyureben. speqtakli rom <strong>da</strong>iwyo, jer<strong>da</strong>iZabnen, mere yvela gaCum<strong>da</strong> <strong>da</strong> warmodgenis<strong>da</strong>srulebis Semdeg Cumadgalagdnen oTaxi<strong>da</strong>n, reaqcia aravishqon<strong>da</strong>o _ gviyvebo<strong>da</strong> is. meore dR<strong>es</strong>jer erTs <strong>da</strong>ukakunebia karze <strong>da</strong> diskiswaReba uTxovia, mere meor<strong>es</strong>, m<strong>es</strong>am<strong>es</strong>...rogorc SevityveT, Canaweri xeli<strong>da</strong>nxelSi ga<strong>da</strong>sula <strong>da</strong> saboloo<strong>da</strong>raerT afxazs unaxavs._ rogorc Cans, am a<strong>da</strong>mianebTanxelovnebis enaze saubari ufro Wris._ mec ase vfiqrob. am saqmeSi xelovnebisroli Zalian didia. aseufro moevleba Cvens saerTo tkivils._ isev literaturas <strong>da</strong>vubrundeT.2009-Si gamovi<strong>da</strong> romani `orsuli.~erTi SexedviT, <strong>es</strong> aris nawarmoebia<strong>da</strong>mianur urTierTobebze, TumcasaTqmeli ufro Rrmaa, yovel SemTxvevaSi,ase gqon<strong>da</strong>T Cafiqrebuli. anotaciaSivkiTxulobT, rom <strong>es</strong> ariswigni `qars gatanebul purze,romelsac mravali dRis Semdeg isevmoiZieb.~ avtoriseuli ganmartebarogoria – ra iyo Tqveni mTavari gzavniliam teqstis werisas?_ saerTod, romanis <strong>da</strong>wera rTulia,imdenad, ramdena<strong>da</strong>c zoga<strong>da</strong>dprozaa Sromatevadi. poeziaSi moxelTebuliemocia SeiZleba ramdenim<strong>es</strong>aaTSi ga<strong>da</strong>itano furcelze, prozaski mudmivi, katorRuli Sroma sWirdeba,miTumet<strong>es</strong> romans, magram me <strong>es</strong> mZimegza ar gamivlia, radgan teqsts winuZRvo<strong>da</strong> weliwadnaxevriani piradicxovreba, rac Semdeg nawarmoebisfabulasa <strong>da</strong> ideaSi aisaxa._ anu, romani avtobiografiulia?_ garkveuli doziT. <strong>es</strong> aris wigniSemoqmedebiT orsulobaze, nayofierebasa<strong>da</strong> unayofobaze, romelicTiToeul a<strong>da</strong>mians Tan axlavs, SinaganTavisuflebaze <strong>da</strong> rac mTavaria _siyvarulze. siyvaruli aris yvelazedidi mrwamsi, cxovrebis umTavr<strong>es</strong>isazrisi <strong>da</strong> Tu mas ar SeuZlia simwifenayofamde, ganuxorcielebel grZnobad<strong>da</strong>rCeba. Zalian miyvars rilke <strong>da</strong>mas aqvs gamonaTqvami evropul kulturaze:`xom lamazia xeebi gazafxulze– rogor Cxrialeben, rogorbrialeben, magram maT ar hyofniT mze,rom <strong>da</strong>amwifos nayofi.~ am romaniswerisas CemTvis mTavari iyo, Ti-Toeul a<strong>da</strong>mians Tavis TavSi aRmoeCinamze, romelic am siyvaruls, Tavisuflebasnayofamde <strong>da</strong>amwifeb<strong>da</strong>._ `ver vitan brWyalebs, wertils,mZim<strong>es</strong>, Zaxilis niSans <strong>da</strong> ase Semdeg~_ ambobs Tqveni romanis gmiri. <strong>es</strong>yvelaferi masSi <strong>da</strong>patimrebuli sityvebisasociacias iwvevs. marTlaarsebobs <strong>da</strong>patimrebuli sityvebiTu <strong>es</strong> Sinagani Tavisuflebis simboloa?_ ki, aseTi interpretaciac Sei-Zleba – Tavisufali yovelgvari Car-Cosgan. mwerals aucileblad sWirdebaSinagani Tavisufleba. CemTvis,yovel SemTxvevaSi, <strong>es</strong> ganc<strong>da</strong> ZalzemniSvnelovania, radgan adreuli asaki<strong>da</strong>ngavacnobiere Tavisuflebis fasi,magram un<strong>da</strong> aRvniSno, rom sul miwev<strong>da</strong>misi yidva, raTa mere ufro didiTavisufleba momepovebina. <strong>es</strong> yvelaferiSvid zecas hgavs, romlis Ti-Toeuli Sris gavlis Semdeg ufrometad acnobiereb, rom uamravi garemoebistyveobaSi xar. gin<strong>da</strong> gaxvideam mojadoebuli wri<strong>da</strong>n, magram <strong>es</strong>Zalze rTuli proc<strong>es</strong>ia. sabolood,albaT, absoluturi Tavisufleba arcarsebobs._ `ekas leqsebi mis suls hgavdnen.ise<strong>da</strong>c xom asea, Semoqmedebahgavs Tavis Semoqmeds~ _ werTTqvens romanSi. marTla asefiqrobT?_ metnaklebad hgavs, magram xan<strong>da</strong>xanvfiqrob, rom mwerlis ostatobaswored isaa, ar <strong>da</strong>imsgavsos saku-Tari Semoqmedeba <strong>da</strong> sul sxva ramS<strong>es</strong>Tavazos mkiTxvels. Zalian min<strong>da</strong>,sakuTar TavSi <strong>da</strong>viWiro Cemgan gansxvavebulisamyaro, magram albaTamisTvis bevrs ar vSromob. ramdenicun<strong>da</strong> vecado, Cemi nawerebi bolosmainc tkbeba, raRac mSobliurs exeba,Zalian Cemsas <strong>da</strong> bolos me TviTonaciq aRmovCndebi xolme. sul min<strong>da</strong> <strong>da</strong>vweroteqsti, sa<strong>da</strong>c araferi iqneba Cemi._ gqon<strong>da</strong>T mcdeloba?_ ki, magram warumatebeli. <strong>es</strong> iyoprozaSi._ albaT, Torem poeziaSi <strong>es</strong> ar igrZnoba.prozas cota xelovnurobaetyoba, leqsSi ki sruliad TavisufalixarT, wyaliviT moedineba formac,saTqmelic, araferia naZaladevi <strong>da</strong>gakeTebuli. aSkarad igrZnoba, romleqsi ufro Tqvenia. ramdena<strong>da</strong>c vici,axal romanze muSaobT, rogor arissaqme?_ romans hqvia `wami aqa, wami iqa~<strong>da</strong> TiTqmis <strong>da</strong>srulebulia. mWirdebaerTi Zlieri CasunTqva, rom teqstSi`Sevide~, raRacebi Secvalo <strong>da</strong> saboloosaxe mivce. amisTvis TiTqosZalas vikreb, vemzadebi <strong>da</strong> ver mivediaqamde. ara<strong>da</strong>, vici, rac un<strong>da</strong> gavake-To. romani aris xvamlis mTaze. mTaze,romelsac araerTi legen<strong>da</strong> ukavSirdeba._ sakraluri Tematika agirCeviaT._ aseTi raRacebis naklebad mjera,magram faqtia, rom <strong>es</strong> mTa ucnauradmovi<strong>da</strong> CemTan. TiTqmis araferi vicodimis S<strong>es</strong>axeb, mxolod gagonili mqon<strong>da</strong>,weris proc<strong>es</strong>Si ki nel-nela gamexsna,TiTqos Tavisi saidumloebic gamiziara,rogorc megobarma._ ra xdeba romanSi?_ moqmedeba Tanamedrove droSimimdinareobs. oTxi gmiria, oTxi mTavaripersonaJi – ori gogo <strong>da</strong> ori biWi,axalgazrdebi, romlebic xvamlis mTismimdebare soflebSi cxovroben <strong>da</strong>TiTqos gaucnobiereblad emzadebianmis mistikasTan S<strong>es</strong>axvedrad. Ti-Toeuls Tavisi cxovreba aqvs, Tumcasabolood yvela erTiandeba mniSvnelovanieqspedicisTvis, romelicxvamlis mTaze igegmeba. <strong>es</strong> iqneba wigniZiebaze. upirvel<strong>es</strong>ad, albaT, a<strong>da</strong>mianismier sakuTari Tavis Ziebaze._ Janri gansazRvruli gaqvT?_ swored Janrze vfiqrob: teqstifantastikas <strong>da</strong> sinamdvil<strong>es</strong> Sorisaa<strong>da</strong> un<strong>da</strong> Camovyalibde, ra min<strong>da</strong>._ poeziaSi ra xdeba, axali leqsebixom ar <strong>da</strong>gigrov<strong>da</strong>T?_ leqsebic <strong>da</strong>migrov<strong>da</strong> <strong>da</strong> axalikrebulis gamocemasac vgegmav. `SuaRamisiavnana~ Secdomebiani wignia, bevrilafsusi gaipara, ris gamoc ramdenimeleqsi isea Secvlili, wakiTxvac ar min<strong>da</strong>.meore krebuls ufro gul<strong>da</strong>smiTmovekidebi. ZiriTa<strong>da</strong>d axali leqsebiSeva, romlebic mxolod periodikaSia<strong>da</strong>beWdili._ Tqvens erT-erT werils vkiTxulobdi,sa<strong>da</strong>c levan berZeniSvilissityvebia moyvanili, romelic ambobs,rom `literaturaSi ZiriTad,mTavar amocanas asrulebs poezia.~eTanxmebiT mis mosazrebas, anu poeziisupirat<strong>es</strong>obas prozaze?_ pira<strong>da</strong>d CemTvis poezia upirvel<strong>es</strong>ia,magram sazogadod, Tu ga<strong>da</strong>vxe<strong>da</strong>vTkacobriobis gamocdilebas, xan<strong>da</strong>xanmaqvs ganc<strong>da</strong>, sWirdeba ki a<strong>da</strong>miansTanamedrove teqnikur samyaroSipoezia? Tumca Tuki rame aaxloebs a<strong>da</strong>miansenasTan, <strong>es</strong> leqsia. aqe<strong>da</strong>n gamomdinare,SeiZleba iTqvas, rom poeziamTavaria, Tumca ar vici, SeiZlebavcdebi kidec._ TqvenTvis ramdenad mniSvnelovaniapoeturi Ziebebi?_ zoga<strong>da</strong>d, mniSvnelovania, Tumcame am sakiTxSi ver var yoCaRi. Cemi gagebiT,<strong>es</strong> proc<strong>es</strong>i igivea, rod<strong>es</strong>ac SenSiatareb saTqmels <strong>da</strong> eZeb musikas,romelsac moargeb am saTqmels.swored <strong>es</strong> aris formis Zieba, Toremwinaswar <strong>da</strong>gegmili, mizanmimarTulieqsperimentebis arc survili maqvs,arc _ inter<strong>es</strong>i. saerTod, leqss ZalzefrTxilad vepyrobi <strong>da</strong> mxolod maSinvwer, roca sxva gza ar aris; rocavgrZnob, rom saTqmeli, Tu gareT argamovitane, wamlekavs <strong>da</strong> wamiRebs. amitomacaRar mrCeba dro xelovnuriZiebebisTvis. ra vqna, ar miyvars naZaladeviSemoqmedeba. yvelaferi bunebrivimirCevnia _ poeziac, prozac,a<strong>da</strong>mianebic.<strong>es</strong>aubra nana kobaiZe
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