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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK<br />

294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />

yovelkvireuli gazeTi<br />

gamodis samSabaTobiT N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04<br />

04.201<br />

.2019 fasi 2 lari<br />

eqskluzivi<br />

daviT jandieri:<br />

`xelisufleba<br />

naRmzea da es<br />

naRmi aris<br />

sasamarTlo...~<br />

gv. 4<br />

gv. 14<br />

daTo gamcemliZe:<br />

`maTi mizani iyo saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba~<br />

girgvlianis saqmis<br />

gasayalbeblad 20<br />

dReSi 4 kanoni<br />

Secvales<br />

cixis dRiuri gv. 8<br />

gv. 2<br />

pankisSi hess rusi<br />

biznesmeni<br />

aSenebs,romelic<br />

fsb-s `muSkaze~<br />

hyavs ayvanili<br />

gv. 8<br />

gv. 6<br />

gv. 12<br />

valeri gelbaxiani: `ocneba~ ki ar<br />

damarcxdeba, aramed daixrCoba!~<br />

goCa barnovi:<br />

`konstantinopolis sapatriarqo<br />

nabijs ar gadadgams<br />

saqarTvelos eklesiisa da<br />

saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg~<br />

N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04-06.05.2019 w.<br />

gv. 18 gv. 16<br />

gv. 18<br />

nino goguaZe:<br />

`ivaniSvili im gzas<br />

daadga, romelsac<br />

Cven vebrZodiT~<br />

Tengiz abloTia:<br />

`politika beseliakobaxiZis<br />

Cxubis<br />

donemde daeca~<br />

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girgvlianis saqmis gasayalbeblad<br />

`sandro girgvlianis saqme~ wina<br />

eliso kilaZe<br />

xelisuflebis bediswerad iqca. 2006<br />

599 17 12 12<br />

wlis 27 ianvars oqroyanaSi momxdari<br />

mkvleloba 2019 wels, amjerad, `qar-<br />

Tuli ocnebis~ xelisuflebis damokles maxvilad gadaiqca. mi-<br />

uxedavad imisa, rom `sandro girgvlianis saqmem~ araerTi<br />

prokurori da mosamarTle gamoicvala, dRemde mxolod levan<br />

murusiZea kritikis obieqti, isic imitom, rom mmarTveli parti-<br />

is liderma biZina ivaniSvilma is sakuTar favoritad daasaxela.<br />

sandro girgvlianis mkvleloba<br />

araerTgzis iqca politikuri<br />

spekulaciis sagnad, _ ase iyo<br />

2007 wels, roca maSindeli opozicia,<br />

samarTlis dadgenasTan<br />

erTad, konkretuli pirebis<br />

politikuri pasuxismgeblobis<br />

sakiTxs ayenebda da asea axlac,<br />

roca `girgvlianis saqmes~ konkretuli<br />

mosamarTleebis winaaRmdeg<br />

angariSsworebisTvis iyeneben<br />

is politikosebi, romlebmac,<br />

Tavis droze, yvelaferi<br />

gaakeTes `girgvlianis saqmis~<br />

Casafarcxad.<br />

spekulaciis axali talRa mas<br />

Semdeg daiwyo, rac `sandro girgvlianis<br />

saqmis~ erT-erTma advokatma,<br />

Salva SavguliZem, mTawmindaze<br />

kenWisyra gadawyvita da<br />

mas `evropulma saqarTvelom~<br />

dauWira mxari. SavguliZis am nabijs<br />

sazogadoebaSi araerTgvarovani<br />

reaqcia moyva da gansakuTrebiT<br />

mas Semdeg, rac `qronika+~-ma<br />

gaarkvia, rom ramdenime<br />

kanonSi specialurad Setanili<br />

cvlilebebis iniciatori evropuli<br />

saqarTvelos lideri da<br />

maSindeli iuridiuli komitetis<br />

Tavmjdomaris moadgile giga bokeria<br />

iyo. sakanonmdeblo cvlilebebma<br />

prokuraturas saSualeba<br />

misca, gamoZieba da sasamarTlo<br />

procesebi TanxvedraSi moeyvana.<br />

ra moxda 2006 wlis 27 ianvars<br />

da rogor ganviTarda movlenebi<br />

girgvlianis saqmis braldebuli<br />

pirebis dakavebis mere? ra<br />

weria strasburgis sasamarTlos<br />

gadawyvetilebaSi da ra cvlilebebi<br />

warudgina saqarTvelos<br />

parlaments iuridiuli komitetis<br />

Tavmjdomaris maSindelma<br />

moadgile giga bokeriam? _ `qronika+~-is<br />

skandaluri eqskluzivi.<br />

informacia `girgvlianis saq-<br />

mis~ Sesaxeb:<br />

2006 wlis 27 ianvars, saRamos<br />

11 saaTisTvis, megobrebis jgufi<br />

TbilisSi, kafe `SardenSi~ Seikriba.<br />

am jgufSi iyvnen Ss ministris<br />

meuRle Tako salayaia, Sss<br />

konstituciuri usafrTxoebis<br />

departamentis ufrosi daTa axalaia,<br />

misi moadgile oleg melnikovi,<br />

Sss generaluri inspeqciis<br />

ufrosi vasil sanoZe, saministros<br />

pres-samsaxuris ufrosi<br />

guram donaZe da masTan erTad<br />

imyofeboda kidev erTi qalbatoni<br />

TaTia maisuraZe.<br />

barSi misuli sandro girgvliani<br />

da levan buxaiZe TaTia<br />

maisuraZes calke magidasTan esaubrebian.<br />

TviTmxilvelebis<br />

TqmiT, saubari daZabuli iyo.<br />

rodesac maisuraZe megobrebis<br />

magidas daubrunda, mas Ss ministris<br />

meuRlem hkiTxa, xom ar<br />

hqonda raime problema? razedac<br />

maisuraZem ganacxada, rom axalgazrda<br />

kaci, romelsac is esaubra,<br />

misi megobari iyo da<br />

problema ar arsebobda.<br />

2006 wlis 28 ianvars, daaxloebiT,<br />

SuadRis 3 saaTze, sandro<br />

girgvlianis cxedari, misi<br />

sami megobris mier, erT-erTi<br />

adgilobrivi mcxovreblis daxmarebiT,<br />

Tbilisis SemogarenSi,<br />

oqroyanis sasaflaosTan axlos<br />

mdebare tyeSi, kafe `Sardenidan~<br />

6,3 kilometris daSorebiT, wels<br />

zemoT SiSveli, TovlSi ipoves.<br />

imave dRes, sasamarTlo samedicino<br />

eqspertebis mier momzadebuli<br />

daskvnis mixedviT: sandro<br />

girgvlianis gvamis vizualuri<br />

daTvalierebis Sedegad, marcxena<br />

idayvsa da mxarze araerTi<br />

paralelur xazovani Wriloba<br />

aRmoCnda, sami 8 sm-iani Wriloba<br />

kiserze aRiniSneboda, msgavsi<br />

Wriloba iyo yelzec, aseve uamravi<br />

Calurjeba da dazianeba,<br />

maTgan zogi Rrma, mkerdamde.<br />

msxverplis Sarvlis jibeSi napovni<br />

iqna jibis dana. eqspertizis<br />

daskvnis mixedviT, sikvdili<br />

saxis areSi miyenebulma orma<br />

Wrilobam gamoiwvia, msxverpli<br />

asfiqsiiT gardaicvala, rodesac<br />

xaxis Wrilobidan sisxli sasunTq<br />

milSi gadaiRvara. es mZime,<br />

sicocxlisTvis SeuTavsebeli<br />

Wriloba iyo.<br />

2006 wlis 6 marts Ss saministros<br />

TanamSromlebi gia alania,<br />

avTandil afciauri, aleqsandre<br />

RaWava da mixeil bibiluri daakaves.<br />

Tanamdebobidan gadaayenes<br />

daTa axalaia da guram donaZe.<br />

saqmis masalebidan irkveva,<br />

rom 2006 wlis 3 maiss prokuraturam<br />

oTx braldebuls maTi<br />

advokatis TandaswrebiT SesTavaza<br />

saproceso garigeba, kerZod,<br />

maT SesTavazes pirobiTi msjavri,<br />

Tu isini daasaxelebdnen Sinagan<br />

saqmeTa saministros romelime<br />

maRalCinosans an sxva pirs,<br />

romelsac danaSaulTan kavSiri<br />

hqonda. oTxive maTganma saproceso<br />

SeTanxmebaze uari Tqva.<br />

2006 wlis 23 marts sandro<br />

girgvlianis dedam saCivriT mimarTa<br />

gamomZiebels, rom `patimrobis<br />

Sesaxeb~ kanonis 86/62 muxlis<br />

darRveviT, oTxive braldebuli<br />

Tbilisis me-7 sapyrobile-<br />

Si erTsa da imave sakanSi hyavdaT<br />

moTavsebuli. irina enuqiZe acxadebda,<br />

rom es saSualebas aZlevda<br />

braldebulebs, SeeTanxmebinaT<br />

sakuTari Cvenebebi da amiT<br />

xeli SeeSalaT saqmeze WeSmaritebis<br />

dadgenisTvis, man moiTxova<br />

patimrebis dauyovnebliv<br />

gancalkeveba erTmaneTisgan da<br />

SuamdgomlobiT mimarTa sasjelaRsrulebis<br />

departamentis<br />

ufrossa da generalur prokurors,<br />

magram saCivarze pasuxi ar<br />

miuRia.<br />

araerTi wyaro adasturebda<br />

imas, rom sandro girgvlianis<br />

saqmeze dakavebuli pirebi sasjels<br />

komfortul pirobebSi ixdidnen,<br />

ar hqondaT medikamentebis,<br />

alkoholuri sasmelisa da<br />

narkotikebis miRebis problema,<br />

mezobel sakanSi myof patimrebs<br />

xSirad esmodaT maTi sicilisa<br />

da drostarebis xma. irina enuqiZe<br />

iTxovda, 48 saaTis ganmavlobaSi<br />

Catarebuliyo maTi samedicino<br />

Semowmeba sisxlSi alkoholisa<br />

da narkotikebis arsebobis<br />

dasadgenad, magram, cxadia,<br />

mis saCivrebze aranairi reagireba<br />

ar momxdara. sasjelaRsrulebis<br />

departamentis socialuri<br />

samsaxuris ufrosi acxadebda,<br />

rom oTxi braldebuli mxolod<br />

imitom iyo moTavsebuli erT sakanSi,<br />

rom meSvide sapyrobileSi<br />

saremonto samuSaoebi mimdinareobda.<br />

2006 wlis 28 aprils Setanil<br />

iqna cvlileba `patimrobis Sesaxeb~<br />

kanonSi da 8662 muxlidan<br />

amoiRes sityvebi `erTsa da imave<br />

sisxlis samarTlis saqmeze<br />

braldebul pirebs aTavseben<br />

cal-calke~. amave sxdomaze saqarTvelos<br />

parlamentma cvlilebebi<br />

Seitana sisxlis samarTlis<br />

kodeqsSi da saerTod gaauqma<br />

119-e muxli.<br />

2006 wlis 6 ivliss Tbilisis<br />

saqalaqo sasamarTlom, 119-e<br />

muxlis gauqmebis gamo, am muxlis<br />

safuZvelze wayenebuli braldebebi,<br />

aRniSnuli kodeqsis 117 6-e<br />

muxliT gadaakvalificira. gia<br />

alania damnaSaved cno winaswari<br />

SeTanxmebiT jgufis mier sicocxlisTvis<br />

saSiSi ZaladobiT<br />

Tavisuflebis ukanono aRkveTa-<br />

Si, janmrTelobis ganzrax mZime<br />

dazianebaSi, ramac gamoiwvia sicocxlis<br />

mospoba, samsaxurebrivi<br />

uflebamosilebis gadametebaSi<br />

da sxvisi nivTis dazianebaSi,<br />

gia alanias rva wliT Tavisuflebis<br />

aRkveTa miesaja, danarCen<br />

oTxs ki 7 wliT Tavisuflebis<br />

aRkveTa.<br />

metad sainteresod ganviTarda<br />

movlenebi pirveli instanciis<br />

sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis<br />

gamotanis mere, _ prokuraturam<br />

ganaCeni saapelacio sasamarTloSi<br />

gaasaCivra da sasjelebis<br />

rva da cxra wlamde gazrda<br />

moiTxova, rac Seexeba sandro<br />

girgvlianis advokat Salva SavguliZes,<br />

man calke saapelacio<br />

saCivris Setana saWirod ar miiCnia.<br />

Salva SavguliZis argumentebi<br />

aseTi iyo: saapelacio sasamarTlo<br />

saqmes mxolod pirveli<br />

instanciis sasamarTlos ganaCen-<br />

Si Camoyalibebuli braldebis<br />

farglebSi ganixilavda da mas ar<br />

SeeZlo arc danaSaulis gadakvalificireba<br />

ganzrax mkvlelobad<br />

damamZimebel garemoebeb-<br />

Si da arc saqmis gagzavna damatebiTi<br />

gamoZiebisTvis. samagierod,<br />

sakasacio wesiT gaasaCivra saapelacio<br />

sasamarTlos 2006 wlis<br />

11 seqtembris gadawyvetileba,<br />

aseve moiTxova yvela im mtkicebulebis<br />

gacnoba, rac saqmes Tan<br />

erTvoda.<br />

2007 wlis 27 ivliss uzenaesma<br />

sasamarTlom, rogorc bolo<br />

instanciis sasamarTlom, daadgina,<br />

rom oTxi Tanamdebobis piris<br />

damnaSaved cnoba sxvisi nivTis<br />

ganadgurebis nawilSi saTanadod<br />

ar iyo dasabuTebuli da am<br />

nawilSi msjavrdebulebi gamarTldnen.<br />

Sedegad TiToeul ma-<br />

Tgans sasjelis vada eqvsi TviT<br />

Seumcirda, magram danarCen nawilSi<br />

qveda instanciis sasamarTlos<br />

ganaCeni ucvleli darCa.<br />

`sandro girgvlianis saqmeze~<br />

braldebuli pirebisTvis sasjelis<br />

eqvsi TviT Semcireba erTierTi<br />

mZime braldebaa, rasac axla<br />

opozicia da, maT Soris, evropuli<br />

saqarTvelo levan muru-<br />

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siZes edaveba, magram strasburgis<br />

sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebaSi<br />

aRwerili qronologia kidev<br />

erTxel adasturebs, rom murusiZis<br />

mier sasjelis Semcireba<br />

moyva swored sandro girgvlianis<br />

advokatis sakasacio sa-<br />

Civars, radgan uzenaes sasamarTloSi<br />

prokuraturas saapelacio<br />

sasamarTlos ganaCeni ar gausa-<br />

Civrebia.<br />

`qronika+~-is wyaros informaciiT,<br />

oc dReSi sami mosmeniT<br />

ramdenime aTeuli cvlileba Sevida<br />

saqarTvelos sisxlis samarTlis<br />

kodeqsSi da patimrobis<br />

Sesaxeb kanonSi. yvela cvlilebis<br />

iniciatori parlamentis sxdomebze<br />

iuridiuli komitetis<br />

Tavmjdomaris moadgile giga<br />

bokeria iyo. parlamentis samive<br />

sxdomis stenograma `qronika+~-<br />

Si inaxeba. giga bokerias, cxadia,<br />

`nacionaluri moZraobis~ sruli<br />

Semadgenloba erTxmad eTanxmeba.<br />

stenogramebis mixedviT mas winaaRmdegobas<br />

mxolod deputati<br />

valeri gelbaxiani uwevs.<br />

fragmenti parlamentis<br />

sxdomis stenogramidan:<br />

l. beJaSvili:<br />

`Semdegi proeqti gaxlavT `patimrobis<br />

Sesaxeb~ kanonSi cvlilebebi.<br />

am proeqtTan dakav-<br />

SirebiT iyo garkveuli SeniSvnebi<br />

adamianis uflebaTa komitetidan.<br />

Tqven mogexsenebaT, Cven<br />

pirveli mosmeniT gadavdeT is<br />

sakiTxebi, romlebic ukavSirdeboda<br />

paemnis raodenobis SezRudvas~.<br />

l. fafiaSvili:<br />

`pativcemulo kolegebo, amJamad<br />

qalbatoni elene TevdoraZe<br />

imyofeba strasburgSi da rogorc<br />

TviTon mogvaxsena, Camoaqvs<br />

rekomendaciebi am sakiTxTan mimarTebaSi.<br />

Cven viTxovT, rom<br />

droebiTi muxlebi, romlebic<br />

aregulireben patimrebis paemnebis<br />

raodenobas TveSi da weliwadSi,<br />

es muxlebi gadatanil iqnas<br />

mesame mosmeniT kanonproeqtis<br />

ganxilvisas~.<br />

g. bokeria:<br />

`me piradad vTvli da ramdenadac<br />

maxsovs, b-ni levanis pozicia<br />

aseTi aris, rom im sakiTxze,<br />

razec aris azrTa sxvadasxvaoba,<br />

maT Soris, iusticiis saministros<br />

kanonproeqtis avtorebsa<br />

da Tqvens komitets Soris,<br />

valdebulebebSi CavweroT, rom<br />

axal penitencialur kodeqsSi,<br />

privilegiebis sistemasTan dakavSirebiT,<br />

es principi unda iyos<br />

gaTvaliswinebuli da warmodgenis<br />

vadac davweroT~.<br />

sxdomis Tavmjdomare mixeil<br />

maWavariani kanonis cvlilebebis<br />

ganxilvasa da elene TevdoraZis<br />

dabrunebamde mis gadadebas iTxovs,<br />

rasac giga bokerias sakmaod<br />

uxeSi replika moyveba.<br />

g. bokeria:<br />

20 dReSi 4 kanoni Secvales<br />

`ki batono, me var arakolegialuri<br />

da aragenderuli da<br />

axla ra unda vqna axla, ki batono,<br />

gadawyvitos, Tqvenc TqviT,<br />

batono mixeil, gadaidos maSin,<br />

gmadlobT~.<br />

v. gelbaxiani:<br />

`aq weria, rom am kanoniT gaTvaliswinebul<br />

sakiTxebze saqarTvelos<br />

iusticiis ministrs<br />

ufleba aqvs gamosces brZaneba,<br />

romlis debulebebi ar unda ewinaaRmdegebodes<br />

am kanonis debulebebs.<br />

axla cota samarTlebrivad<br />

gviTxariT, es ranairi<br />

konstruqciaa, ras niSnavs, saer-<br />

Tod, es, e. i. am kanonis safuZveli?..<br />

debulebebi ar unda ewinaa-<br />

Rmdegebodes. am kanons ra datvirTva<br />

aqvs? ubralod, es aqsiomaa,<br />

batono levan, iciT Tqven.<br />

met punqtTan dakavSrebiT,<br />

batono levan, me mainteresebs,<br />

SeTanxmeba ra dokumentiT formdeba,<br />

sadac weria, rom Tanamdebobaze<br />

niSnavs da aTavisuflebs<br />

departamentis Tavmjdomare<br />

iusticiis ministrTan SeTanxmebiT.<br />

es SeTanxmeba sityvieria Tu<br />

werilobiT aris dafiqsirebuli?<br />

da, saerTod, sakadro pasuxismgebloba<br />

am SemTxvevaSi, vis<br />

ekisreba, SeTanxmebis avtors Tu<br />

brZanebis avtors?<br />

Tu mivandobT Cven sasjelaRsrulebis<br />

departaments sasjelis<br />

reJimis gansazRvras, imas<br />

niSnavs, rom Cven kidev gveqneba<br />

aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebis<br />

sasamarTlo organo, romelsac,<br />

Turme, penitenciuri funqciis<br />

garda gaaCnia sasamarTlo funqciebic.<br />

me gTxovT, rom es aris<br />

Zalian seriozuli sakiTxi, davukvirdeT<br />

da davufiqrdeT am<br />

sakiTxs, nu gavakeTebT ise, isedac<br />

pretenziebia, rom Cveni sasjelaRsrulebis<br />

dawesebuleba<br />

ar aris penitenciuri dawesebuleba.<br />

eseni aris sasjelis moxdis<br />

adgilebi da ver asruleben im<br />

funqcias, rasac am SemTxvevaSi<br />

penitencialoba iTvaliswinebs~.<br />

gelbaxianis kiTxvebma da iuridiul<br />

niuansebSi CakiTxvebma<br />

giga bokeria ise gaaRiziana, gelbaxians<br />

aslan abaSiZe da politikuri<br />

pasuxismgebloba Seaxsena<br />

da inglisis magaliTi mouyvana,<br />

_ inglisSi SeiZleba samudamo<br />

patimroba misjili adamiani,<br />

mag., qali qmris mkvlelobisTvis<br />

ijdes, magram meoTxe sammarTvelosnair<br />

dasasvenebel saxlSi<br />

ixdides patimrobas da SabaTs<br />

uSvebdnen erTi dRiT saxlSi da<br />

is brundeba Tavisi fexiT (citata).<br />

cxadze cxadia, rom am analogis<br />

moSveliebiT giga bokeria<br />

sandro girgvlianis saqmeze braldebuli<br />

pirebis sasjelis moxdis<br />

garemosa da pirobebis gamarTlebas<br />

cdilobda.<br />

konkretulad, sisxlis<br />

samarTlis romel muxlebSi<br />

Sevida cvlilebebi?<br />

2006 wlis 28 aprils parlamentis<br />

sxdomaze miRebuli cvlilebebiT,<br />

romlis iniciatoric<br />

giga bokeria iyo, cvlilebebi<br />

Sevida sisxlis samarTlis<br />

kodeqsis 109.117-e, 143.187-e 333-<br />

e da 3711-e muxlebSi.<br />

muxli 119-e gauqmda 2006<br />

wlis 28 aprils.<br />

janmrTelobis dazianeba sasikvdilo<br />

SedegiT-janmrTelobis<br />

ganzrax mZime an naklebad mZime<br />

dazianeba, ramac gaufrTxileblobiT<br />

gamoiwvia sicocxlis mospoba,<br />

isjeba Tavisuflebis aRkveTiT<br />

vadiT samidan aT wlamde.<br />

am faqtebis srulyofili analizis<br />

mere, strasburgis adamianis<br />

uflebaTa sasamarTlo gadawyvetilebaSi<br />

wers, rom seriozuli<br />

wuxili gauCnda am gamoZiebis<br />

keTilsindisierebisa da efeqtianobis<br />

Taobaze, risi gaqarwylebac<br />

saxelmwifom ver moaxerxa<br />

verc werilobiTi da verc<br />

zepiri gancxadebiT.<br />

sasamarTlo kidev erTxel<br />

aRniSnavs, rom sandro girgvlianis<br />

sikvdilis garemoebebis gamoZiebas<br />

aSkarad aklia aucilebeli<br />

damoukidebloba, miuker-<br />

Zoebloba, obieqturoba da gulmodgineba.<br />

piriqiT, saqmis Sesabamisi<br />

garemoebebi SesaZleblobas<br />

aZlevs sasamarlos daaskvnas,<br />

rom Sidasaxelmwifoebrivma organoebma<br />

arakeTilsindisierad<br />

warmarTes saqmis gamoZieba. sasamarTlo<br />

gaognebulia im faqtiT,<br />

rom saxelmwifo xelisuflebis<br />

sxvadasxva ganStoeba, Sss, gamo-<br />

Ziebis sawyis stadiaze, daSvebuli<br />

darRvevebiT, prokuratura<br />

gamoZiebis Semdgom stadiaze<br />

daSvebuli darRvevebiT, sasjelaRsrulebis<br />

departamenti,<br />

msjavrdebulebis erT sakanSi<br />

ukanonod moTavsebiT, Sida sasamarTloebi<br />

arasrulfasovani<br />

sasamarTlo ganxilvebiTa da<br />

msjavrdebulebis vadaze adre<br />

ganTavisuflebiT, saqarTvelos<br />

prezidentis msjavrdebulebis<br />

mimarT gaumarTlebeli lmobierebis<br />

gamovleniT, da a. S. yvela<br />

erTad xmaSewyobilad moqmedebda<br />

im miznisTvis, rom am<br />

Semzaravi mkvlelobis saqmeze<br />

rogorme ar ganxorcielebuliyo<br />

marTlmsajuleba.<br />

277-e muxlSi sasamarTlo kvlav<br />

aRniSnavs: rodesac adamiani<br />

kvdeba saeWvo garemoebaSi da<br />

amasTan saxelmwifos warmomadgenlis<br />

xelSi gamoZiebis warmoebisas,<br />

Sesabamis Sidasaxelmwifoebriv<br />

organoebs gansakuTrebuli<br />

yuradRebis gamoCena<br />

hmarTebT, winaaRmdeg SemTxveva-<br />

Si, saxelmwifo gamoavlens ra<br />

sicocxlisTvis saSiSi aqtebis<br />

mimarT Semwynareblur damokidebulebas<br />

Tavis warmomadgenleb-<br />

Si, dausjelobis grZnobis ganvi-<br />

Tarebis riskis winaSe dadgeba,<br />

rasac SeuZlia, gza gauxsnas sxva<br />

TavzexelaRebul danaSaulebs, _<br />

iseTebs, rogorsac adgili hqonda<br />

mocemul saqmeSi.<br />

P. S. samwuxarod, am faqtebis<br />

gaJRerebis mere sandro girgv-<br />

lianis saqmis advokatma da<br />

mTawmindis maJoritarobis kan-<br />

didatma Salva SavguliZem<br />

`qronika+~-Tan SeTanxmebuli<br />

interviu CaSala. Tu mas an<br />

`evropuli saqarTvelos~ romelime<br />

liders am sakiTxebze gan-<br />

martebis gakeTebis survili<br />

gauCndebaT, siamovnebiT davuT-<br />

mobT gazeTis furclebs.<br />

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`xelisufleba naRmzea da<br />

saqme, romelmac qveyanaSi poli-<br />

levan qemokliZe<br />

tikuri realoba kidev erTxel Se-<br />

593 16 01 40<br />

cvala, vis ra wvlili aqvs stras-<br />

burgis sasamarTloSi girgvlianis<br />

saqmeze da ratom amaxinjeben faqtebs? ra SeeZlo gaekeTebina<br />

murusiZes kanonisa da konstituciis mixedviT da ar gaakeTa?<br />

ratom daiwyo biZina ivaniSvilma saubari murusiZis sikeTeebze<br />

da, realurad, ra daadgina strasburgis xelaxalma gamoZiebam?!<br />

`qronika+~-is kiTxvebs pasux-<br />

obs girgvlianis saqmis advokati<br />

starsburgis sasamarTloSi _ dav-<br />

iT jandieri:<br />

_ daviT, bolo dros, mmarTveli<br />

gundi levan murusiZes dadeb-<br />

iTad warmoaCens `girgvlianis<br />

saqmesTan~ dakavSirebiT. aseve<br />

cota xnis win inga grigolias ga-<br />

dacemaSi mosazrebebi movismineT,<br />

TiTqosda Tqveni roli am saqmeze<br />

strasburgSi minimaluri iyo, ra-<br />

mac Tqveni gaRizianeba gamoiwvia.<br />

ra xdeba? ratom gaaqtiurda es<br />

sakiTxi dRes da vis interesebSi<br />

Sedis `girgvlianis saqmis~ gadaw-<br />

era?<br />

_ bolo periodSi am sakiTxze<br />

sajarod gakeTebulma arasworma<br />

gamonaTqvamebma eWvebi gaaCina imis<br />

Sesaxeb, rac mimaCnda, rom yvelam<br />

icoda. merwmuneT, iZulebuli gavxdi,<br />

inga grigolias eTerSi damereka<br />

da Cems rolze mesaubra<br />

`girgvlianis saqmesTan~ dakavSirebiT<br />

strasburgis sasamarTloSi,<br />

ris Sesaxebac, ganaCenis gamotanidan<br />

am dromde, 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi,<br />

ar misaubria. ubralod,<br />

amis mtkicebis saWiroebas ver vxedavdi.<br />

21-e saukunea da yvela dainteresebuli<br />

pirisTvis xelmisawvdomia,<br />

Tundac strasburgSi gamarTuli<br />

sxdomebis amsaxveli videomasala.<br />

18 aprilamdec moxda araswori<br />

satelevizio pozicionireba, romlis<br />

drosac me, rogorc am saqmis<br />

strasburgSi warmmarTveli advokati,<br />

saerTod amogdebuli viyavi<br />

Sinaarsidan, TiTqos Cems mxrebze,<br />

yvela gagebiT ar gadaiara am<br />

saqmem strasburgSi. samwuxarod,<br />

bodiSi aravis mouxdia, arc aravis<br />

auxsnia, uxerxulobac ar ugrZniaT,<br />

am yvelafris mcdelobac ar<br />

yofila. 2019 wlis 16 aprilis `imedis~<br />

eTeris Semdeg, dReSi ramdenjerme,<br />

erT-erTi partiis aqtivisgan<br />

CemTvis gaugebrad da auxsnelad<br />

vismendi teleekranidan da<br />

socialuri mediidan yvelafers<br />

`girgvlianis saqmesTan~ dakavSirebiT<br />

strasburgSi Cemi xsenebis<br />

gverdis avliT. ingas eTerSi erT-<br />

erTi partiis warmomadgenlma<br />

kidev erTxel gaavrcela araswori<br />

mesiji, romelic mimaCnia, rom miznad<br />

isaxavda sajarod Cemi rolis<br />

dakninebas `girgvlianis saqmeSi~<br />

da amaze dumili, ubralod, ver SevZeli.<br />

rogorc satelefono CarTvis<br />

dros vTqvi, iZulebuli gavxdi,<br />

pirdapir eTerSi damereka.<br />

mimaCnia, rom adamians ar unda<br />

daukargo misi naSromi, arc sxvisi<br />

gakeTebulis aRniSvna unda gaSinebdes<br />

_ piradad me, miuxedavad Cven<br />

Soris arsebuli daZabuli urTierTobisa,<br />

ramdenime dRis win Tea<br />

wulukianTan, rogorc strasburgis<br />

sasamarTlos samdivnos imdroindel<br />

TanamSromelTan mimarTebiT,<br />

am saqmeSi mis pozitiur rolzec<br />

vTqvi eTerSi diana trapaiZesTan.<br />

asevea Salva SavguliZe, romelic<br />

qveynis SigniT am saqmes sawyisi<br />

etapidan icavda. ar iyo ioli<br />

maSin am saqmis aReba. iseve rogorc<br />

Tavs uflebas ar mivcem Sida instanciebSi<br />

Salva SavguliZis rolis<br />

dakninebis, aseve ar davuSveb<br />

Cemi, rogorc advokatis rolis<br />

gverdis avlas strasburgSi.<br />

rac Seexeba am saqmesTan dakav-<br />

SirebiT strasburgis sasamarTlo-<br />

Si Cems rols, komunikaciis etapidanve<br />

_ yvela procesualuri<br />

qmedeba, maT Soris, saqmis dasaSvebobac,<br />

arsebiTi mxarec (romelzec<br />

erTdroulad imsjela sasamarTlom),<br />

procesze gamosvlisa da<br />

procesis warmarTvis CaTvliT, iyo<br />

Cem mier dauRalavi SromiT, individualuri<br />

da udidesi pasuxismgeblobiT<br />

ganxorcielebuli.<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom zogadad<br />

mimaCnia, `girgvlianis saqme~ strasburgSi<br />

moigo irina enuqiZem, guram<br />

girgvlianma, sandros megobrebma<br />

da aTeulobiT adamianma, Tu<br />

ara mTlianad qarTulma sazogadoebam,<br />

SemiZlia gabedulad vTqva<br />

is, rac simarTlea _ Tu vinmes Seu-<br />

Zlia Tqvas, pirvel rigSi, me maqvs<br />

ufleba, _ strasburgSi movige<br />

`girgvlianis saqme~. Cemi naSromi<br />

Cemi naSromia, sityvebic, formulirebac,<br />

precedentuli samarTlis<br />

codna da analizi, romelTa<br />

saRamos 11:00 saaTisTvis, Tbilis-<br />

Si, kafe `SardenSi~ Seikriba megobarTa<br />

jgufi: Ss ministris meuRle<br />

Tako salayaia-merabiSvili,<br />

Sss-s kud-is ufrosi daTa axalaia,<br />

misi moadgile oleg melnikovi,<br />

Sss-s generaluri inspeqciis ufrosi<br />

vasil sanoZe, saministros prescentris<br />

ufrosi da ministris<br />

presspikeri guram donaZe, Tako salayaias<br />

megobari ana kalandaZe da<br />

TaTia maisuraZe.<br />

amave barSi, mogvianebiT, mividnen<br />

sandro girgvliani da misi megobari<br />

levan buxaiZe. kafeSi SesvlisTanave<br />

sandro girgvlianma<br />

TaTia maisuraZe SeniSna, romelTanac<br />

axlo urTierToba hqonda da<br />

romelsac barSi misvlamde telefoniT<br />

esaubra. miuaxlovda mas da,<br />

sufris sxva wevrebis TandaswrebiT,<br />

mkveTri JestebiT dauwyo<br />

saubari, radgan barSi misvlamde<br />

satelefono saubrisas, TaTia maisuraZem<br />

daumala da ar gaumxila,<br />

rom `Sarden barSi~ imyofeboda.<br />

girgvlianisa da maisuraZis Selaparakeba<br />

amave barSi myofma sandros<br />

megobarma, zaal qurcikaSvilma<br />

SeamCnia, romelmac mosalodneli<br />

usiamovnebis Tavidan acilebis<br />

mizniT, sandro Ss minis-<br />

daviT jandieri:<br />

`murusiZis dadebiTad<br />

warmoCena da Cemi<br />

rolis strasburgSi<br />

daknineba<br />

`girgvlianis<br />

saqmis~<br />

gadawerad<br />

mimaCnia~<br />

sworad Camoyalibebasa da gaweraze<br />

Rameebs vaTenebdi, rac mTavrobis<br />

SepasuxebaSi rekordulad<br />

mcire droSi avsaxe, swored Cemi<br />

kompetenciis gamo gaxda aucilebeli<br />

Cemi am saqmeSi CarTva; isic,<br />

ra sityviTac sasamarTlo sxdomaze<br />

gamovedi da paeqroba/replikis<br />

stadiazec, mas Semdeg, rac inglisur<br />

enaze gamovida sityviT iusticiis<br />

ministris maSindeli moadgile,<br />

romelic mTavrobis interesebs<br />

icavda.<br />

Zalian vwuxvar, rom aucilebeli<br />

gaxda amaze mesaubra. es rom<br />

asea, gasakviri verc iqneba, radgan<br />

sxvadasxva sasamarTloSi saqmis<br />

warmoebis sxvadasxva wesia. qveynis<br />

SigniT Sida kanonmdeblobis saTanado<br />

codna da qveynis gareT _ upiratesad,<br />

saerTaSoriso samarTlis,<br />

romlis swavlasac ramdenime<br />

weli movandome strasburgis universitetSi.<br />

amitom yvelas Tavisi<br />

roli hqonda. me es roli, wili da<br />

wvlili konvenciis codnidan gamomdinare<br />

mqonda strasburgSi.<br />

aseve aucileblad unda aRiniSnos<br />

is didi wvlili, romelic im<br />

dros giorgi TargamaZem imedze,<br />

gadacema `droebaSi~ am ambis Sesaxeb<br />

vrceli siuJetis gaSvebiT Seasrula.<br />

murusiZis dadebiTad warmoCena<br />

da Cemi rolis strasburg-<br />

Si daknineba girgvlianis saqmis<br />

gadawerad mimaCnia. Tu sxvebs ar<br />

erideba araswori informaciis sajarod<br />

gaJRerebis, arasamarTliani<br />

pozicionirebis, vwuxvar, magram<br />

iZulebuli gavxdi, simarTliT<br />

mepasuxa. es ar SeiZleba iqnas<br />

gagebuli, rogorc arakeTilganwyobis<br />

gamoxatva vinmes mimarT _<br />

rac aseve arc me damimsaxurebia,<br />

magram es Cemi, rogorc pirovnuli,<br />

aseve profesiuli Rirsebis sakiTxia.<br />

mas Semdeg, rac iyo mcdeloba,<br />

gafermkrTalebuliyo sajarod<br />

Cemi roli `girgvlianis saqmeSi~, am<br />

yvelaferze pasuxi ori an ramdenime<br />

adamianis Sida saubriT Tu axsniT<br />

veRar Semoifargleboda,<br />

radganac sajarod gakeTebul gancxadebebs<br />

aseve sajarod unda gaeces<br />

marTali pasuxi. kidev erTxel<br />

vambob: Zalian vwuxvar. met<br />

siRrmeebSi aRar Seval.<br />

_ dRes ra viciT sandros mkvlelobasTan<br />

dakavSirebul gare-<br />

moebebze? ra daadgina gamoZiebam<br />

da vis ra miesaja 2012 wlis xe-<br />

lisuflebis cvlilebis Semdeg?<br />

_ realurad, moxda Semdegi:<br />

2006 wlis 27 ianvars, daaxloebiT,<br />

`miuxedavad imisa, rom zogadad mimaCnia,<br />

`girgvlianis saqme~ strasburgSi moigo irina<br />

enuqiZem, guram girgvlianma, sandros<br />

megobrebma da aTeulobiT adamianma, Tu ara<br />

mTlianad qarTulma sazogadoebam, SemiZlia<br />

gabedulad vTqva is, rac simarTlea - Tu<br />

vinmes SeuZlia Tqvas, pirvel rigSi, me maqvs<br />

ufleba, - strasburgSi movige `girgvlianis<br />

saqme~. Cemi naSromi Cemi naSromia, sityvebic,<br />

formulirebac, precedentuli samarTlis<br />

codna da analizi, romelTa sworad<br />

Camoyalibebasa da gaweraze Rameebs vaTenebdi,<br />

rac mTavrobis SepasuxebaSi rekordulad<br />

mcire droSi avsaxe, swored Cemi kompetenciis<br />

gamo gaxda aucilebeli Cemi am saqmeSi CarTva~<br />

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es naRmi aris sasamarTlo...~<br />

tris meuRlis sufras gamoarida.<br />

mogvianebiT, TaTia maisuraZe sandro<br />

girgvlianis magidasTan gadajda,<br />

sadac daZabuli saubari<br />

gagrZelda. erT momentSi sandro<br />

girgvlianma ucenzuro sityvebiT<br />

moixsenia ministris meuRlis sufrasTan<br />

msxdomi erT-erTi Tanamdebobis<br />

piri. daTa axalaias davalebiT,<br />

sandro girgvlianTan angariSsworebis<br />

mizniT, `Sarden<br />

baris~, Tavisuflebis moednis, leseliZis<br />

quCis mimarTulebiT da<br />

mimdebare teritoriebze ganlagdnen<br />

kudis TanamSromlebi: aleqsandre<br />

RaWava, geronti alania, avTandil<br />

afciauri, mixeil bibiluriZe,<br />

daviT qoqiaSvili, valerian metreveli,<br />

ioseb xasaia da sxvebi. melnikovis<br />

miniSnebiT alaniam, Tanmxleb<br />

pirebTan „ qoqiaSvilTan da<br />

RaWavasTan erTad, sandro girgvliani<br />

da misi megobari Zalis gamoyenebiT<br />

Caisves avtomanqanaSi da<br />

Tbilisidan ramdenime kilometris<br />

moSorebiT mdebare oqroyanis sasaflaoze<br />

gaitaces. aq maT SemouerTda<br />

bibiluriZe da afciauri.<br />

gamtaceblebma sandro girgvliani<br />

da misi megobari Zlier yinvaSi<br />

gaaSiSvles da sastikad scemes.<br />

wamebis mizniT, sandros sxeulis<br />

sxvadasxva areSi daniT miayenes<br />

mravali Wriloba da umweo mdgomareobaSi<br />

ukacriel adgilze miatoves.<br />

meore dRes, 2006 wlis 28<br />

ianvars, daaxloebiT SuadRis 3 saaTze,<br />

sandros wels zemoT SiSveli<br />

gvami TovlSi aRmoaCines erTerTi<br />

adgilobrivi mcxovreblis<br />

daxmarebiT, oqroyanis sasaflaos-<br />

Tan axlos. gvamis gakveTis mixedviT,<br />

msxverpls yelze mWreli niv-<br />

TiT miyenebuli hqonda 12 sxvadasxva<br />

zomis Wriloba. miyenebuli sami<br />

Wrilobidan erT-erTi maTgani 0.5<br />

sm diametris iyo da xaxamde aRwevda.<br />

eqspertizis daskvnis mixedviT,<br />

Wrilobebi mWreli, wvetiani da<br />

tariani sagniT, savaraudod, daniT<br />

iyo miyenebuli. marcxena mxarze,<br />

aseve marcxena wina mxarze, marjvena<br />

mxarze, TiTebze, mucelze,<br />

orive muxlsa da wvivebze, TeZoebze,<br />

Sublze, cxvirze da Tvalebis<br />

irgvliv, aseve aRmoCenil iqna mravalricxovani<br />

Wriloba. eqspertebis<br />

TqmiT, sandros organizmSi alkoholis<br />

Semcveloba umniSvnelo<br />

iyo. sikvdili ki xaxis areSi miyenebulma<br />

orma Wrilobam _ asfiqsiam<br />

gamoiwvia, rodesac xaxis Wrilobidan<br />

sisxli sasunTq milSi gadaiRvara.<br />

rac Seexeba sandros megobar<br />

buxaiZes, gamtaceblebma<br />

Zlier nacemi da SiSvel mdgomareobaSi<br />

myofi sasaflaoze datoves,<br />

romelmac uaxloes benzingasamarT<br />

sadgurs miagno, saidanac policias<br />

daukavSirda.<br />

Sss gamoZiebis sawyisi etapidanve<br />

axdenda sandro girgvlianis<br />

sicocxlisa da Tavisuflebis xelyofis<br />

samarTalwarmoebis miker-<br />

Zoebul, arasrulyofil, usamarTlo<br />

da araobieqtur gamoZiebas,<br />

rac xorcieldeboda maSindeli ministrisa<br />

da kudis ufrosis, daTa<br />

axalaias xelmZRvanelobiT, aseve<br />

adgili hqonda sasjelis arasaTanado<br />

aRsrulebisaTvis msjavrdebuli<br />

pirebisTvis ukanono SeRavaTebis<br />

dawesebas da sasjelisgan<br />

maT vadamde ganTavisuflebas.<br />

ganaxlebuli gamoZiebis farglebSi<br />

dadginda, rom sandro girgvlianis<br />

gvamis aRmoCenidan me-2-<br />

me-3 dRes, Tbilisis mTavari sammarTvelos<br />

maSindelma ufrosma<br />

merab baRaTuriam, vano merabiSvils<br />

piradad moaxsena Tbilisis<br />

kriminaluri samsaxurebis mier dadgenili,<br />

Cadenili danaSaulis<br />

garemoebebi. baRaTuria merabiSvilisgan<br />

Tanxmobas iTxovda kudis<br />

im moxeleebis dakavebaze, Tumca<br />

maT Soris gamarTuli ramdenime<br />

Sexvedris miuxedavad, Tanxmoba<br />

ver miiRo. danaSaulis Cadenidan<br />

aseve 2-3 dReSi parlamentis imJamindelma<br />

Tavmjdomare nino burjanaZem<br />

TavisTan miiwvia Ss ministri<br />

da mosTxova danaSaulis CadenaSi<br />

monawile pirebis, maT Soris, daTa<br />

axalaias pasuxisgebaSi micema.<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom gamoZiebis<br />

sawyis etapzeve vano merabiSvilisTvis<br />

cnobili iyo danaSaul-<br />

Tan dakavSirebuli garemoebebi,<br />

man 37 dRis ganmavlobaSi saqmis<br />

`gamoZieba~ warmarTa mis samsaxurebriv<br />

daqvemdebarebaSi myofi<br />

sagamoZiebo danayofis meSveobiT.<br />

dadgenilebaSi, merabiSvilis braldebis<br />

Sesaxeb, romelsac xels awers<br />

Tbilisis yofili prokurori<br />

maia mwariaSvili, miTiTebulia,<br />

rom v. sanoZis, T. merabiSvilis, d.<br />

axalaias, v. melnikovis, g. donaZis,<br />

T. maisuraZis, a. kalandaZis `dakiTxva~<br />

ganxorcielda v. sanoZis samuSao<br />

kabinetSi yvela zemoT dasaxelebuli<br />

piris erToblivi monawileobiT<br />

da Tamar merabiSvilis<br />

miTiTebebisa da koreqtirebebis<br />

fonze, dasakiTx pirTa poziciebisa<br />

da maT mier gamoTqmuli frazebis<br />

urTierTSejerebiT, rasac<br />

usityvod afiqsirebda gamomZiebeli<br />

da romelsac zedamxedvelobda<br />

iqve myofi sagamoZiebo ganyofilebis<br />

ufrosis moadgile. miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom gamoZiebam mowmis<br />

saxiT dakiTxa z. qurcikaSvili,<br />

misi Cveneba aRar arsebobs gamoZiebis<br />

masalebSi, aseve ar momxdara<br />

misi Semdgomi dakiTxva prokuraturaSi<br />

gamoZiebis etapze. gamoZiebis<br />

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rac man ganaxorciela<br />

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daTa axalaias 2006 wlis 24 TebervliT<br />

daTariRebuli `saidumlo~<br />

weriliT #16/27 (s) vano merabiSvilisadmi,<br />

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aseve 2006 wlis 24 TebervliT<br />

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#16/12(2)-2 imJamindeli generalur<br />

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Ta axalaia. Tbilisis saqalaqo<br />

sasamarTlos 2006 wlis 6 ivlisis<br />

ganaCeniT, sasjelis moxdis mizniT,<br />

g. alania, al. RaWava, m. bibiluriZe<br />

da a. afciauri 2006 wlis 18<br />

ivliss moTavsebul iqnen Tbilis-<br />

Si, #10 sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebaSi.<br />

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dros _ 2008 wlis 11 agvistos:<br />

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da m. bibiluriZe gayvanil iqnen<br />

sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebidan<br />

saqarTvelos prezidentis<br />

mier Sewyalebis ganzraxviT,<br />

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25 agvistos isini ukanve daebrunebuna,<br />

vinaidan prezidentis<br />

Sewyaleba droebiT gadaido. mogvianebiT,<br />

2008 wlis 24 noembers:<br />

g. alania, a. RaWava, a. afciauri da<br />

m. bibiluriZe marTlac Seiwyala<br />

saqarTvelos prezidentma.<br />

2014 wlis 20 oqtombers girgvlianis<br />

saqmeze vano merabiSvils 3-<br />

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Tanamdebobis 2 wliT dakaveba aekrZala;<br />

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axalaias Ss yofili ministris meuRlem<br />

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rom daTa axalaia generalur<br />

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rom ar muSaobda, plastikur baraTze<br />

anazRaureba ericxeboda.<br />

gagrZeleba meeqvse gv.<br />

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mexuTe gverdidan<br />

rac Seexeba baCo axalaias, igi sandro<br />

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da am epizodSi 4,5 weli miesaja. rac<br />

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aRkveTa miusajes.<br />

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Seyvanis mizniT, 2006 wlis 6<br />

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_ erTi wlisa da eqvsi Tvis vadiT<br />

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_ pirvel rigSi, unda vTqvaT am<br />

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xeli moawera.<br />

2006 wlis 2 Tebervals, sandros<br />

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TanamSromlebi da ministris<br />

meuRle gareuli iyvnen am<br />

saqmeSi. gamoZieba mimdinareobda<br />

2006 wlis 26 iavnridan _ 5 martamde<br />

periodSi. amitom yvela is saproceso<br />

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rac Tqva strasburgis sasamarTlom<br />

_ sagamoZiebo organoebis mudmivi<br />

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iuristebma Seafason es imitom, rom arc<br />

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radgan is mosamarTlea, romelmac ganaCens<br />

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radgan es saqme me mtkiva~<br />

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politikuri interesebisTvis gamoiyena, Torem<br />

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monawileoba sagamoZiebo moqmedebebSi,<br />

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cal-calke saknebSi mo-<br />

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mimarTebiT, radgan samive instanciasTan<br />

iyo es problema da es<br />

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Zlebloba, 14 mtkicebulebas gascnoboda,<br />

romelic saqmis xerxemals<br />

warmoadgenda. es mtkicebulebebi<br />

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Semdgom aRmoCnda, rom saqmis masalebSi<br />

mxolod e. w. sqrinSotebi<br />

Caido. saerTod aravis da, bunebrivia,<br />

pirvel rigSi, arc qalbaton<br />

irina enuqiZes ar hqonda Sesa-<br />

Zlebloba, uwyveti saxiT enaxa es<br />

Canaweri, Tu ra avtomobilebi da<br />

visi avtomobilebi gadaadgildeboda<br />

oqroyanis sasaflaos mimarTulebiT<br />

da xom ar iyo aRbeWdili<br />

aseve sxva pirebis gadaadgileba,<br />

romlebic formalurad saqme-<br />

Si ar figurirebdnen?..<br />

Zalian mniSvnelovani mtkicebulebebi<br />

ukavSirdeboda mowmeebis<br />

dakiTxvis videomasalas gamoZiebis<br />

etapze da rodesac strasburgis<br />

sasamarTlom ramdenjerme daayena<br />

sakiTxi mtkicebulebis gamoTxovnis<br />

mizniT, saqarTvelos mTavrobam,<br />

rogorc iqna, warmoadgina.<br />

aRmoCnda, rom videoCanawereb-<br />

Si, romelic mowmeebis dakiTxvas<br />

asaxavda, mowmeebi saubroben erTs<br />

da gamomZieblebi axdenen maTi<br />

naTqvamis perifrazerebas oqmebSi.<br />

amdenad oqmebi ar Seesabameboda<br />

srulad mowmeebis mier gancxadebuls.<br />

es gansakuTrebiT mniSvnelovani<br />

iyo buxaiZis dakiTxvasTan<br />

mimarTebiT da im epizodTan kav-<br />

SirSi, romelic exeboda sandro<br />

girgvlianisa da levan buxaiZis mier<br />

Sardenis kafis datovebis epizods...<br />

Tqven iciT, rom gamoZiebis<br />

versiiT, TiTqos, zRurblTan moxda<br />

Selaparakeba Sinagan saqmeTa<br />

saministros TanamSromelsa da<br />

sandro girgvlians Soris da es<br />

iyo swored danaSaulis fabula.<br />

Zalian mniSvnelovania sasamar-<br />

Tlos Sefaseba imasTan dakavSirebiT,<br />

rom Sida sasamarTloebma uari<br />

Tqves, daecvaT da jerovnad<br />

gamoekvliaT yvela es informacia<br />

da sasamarTloebma ugulebelyves<br />

momCivnis gancxadebebi, aseve Sinagan<br />

saqmeTa saministrom da Tbilisis<br />

prokuraturis sagamoZiebo<br />

nawilis gamomZieblebma gaanad-<br />

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gures da gadamales mtkicebulebebi.<br />

SemdgomSi mTeli problema is<br />

gaxldaT, rom SerCeviTad iqna mxolod<br />

sandro girgvlianisa da alanias<br />

satelefono saubris Sesaxeb<br />

informacia Cadebuli saqmeSi. es<br />

iyo is garemoebebi, romelTa safu-<br />

Zvelzec strasburgis sasamarTlom<br />

Tavisi cnobili fraza Tqva:<br />

Sinagan saqmeTa saministro, prokuratura,<br />

sasjelaRsrulebis departamenti,<br />

Sida sasamarTloebi,<br />

saqarTvelos prezidenti (braldebulebis<br />

Sewyalebis gamo) yvela<br />

erTad, xmaSewyobilad moqmedebda<br />

im miznisTvis, rom am Semzaravi<br />

mkvlelobis saqmeze, rogorme ar<br />

ganxorcielebuliyo marTlmsajuleba.<br />

axla Tqvens mTavar SekiTxvas<br />

rom davubrundeT, _ murusiZes ra<br />

unda gakeTebina da ra ar gaakeTa?!<br />

pirvel rigSi, rodesac baton murusiZeze<br />

vsaubrobT, kidev erTxel<br />

minda Zalian xazgasmiT vTqva,<br />

rom Cven vsaubrobT sistemur danaSaulze,<br />

Cven araviTari iluzia ar<br />

gvaqvs imisa, rom am saqmis ase cudad<br />

damTavrebaSi qveynis Sida instanciebSi<br />

brali unda davdoT mxolod<br />

erT konkretul mosamar-<br />

Tles... es iyo sistemuri danaSauli,<br />

romelSic yvelas Tavisi roli<br />

da wvlili hqonda Setanili, maT<br />

Soris, murusiZesac! uzenaesi sasamarTlo<br />

uflebamosili iyo, gaeuqmebina<br />

saapelacio sasamarTlos<br />

ukanono ganaCeni da murusiZes es<br />

saqme xelaxla gansaxilvelad unda<br />

daebrunebina qveda instanciaSi,<br />

formalurad mas amis uflebamosileba<br />

hqonda, radgan cxadi iyo,<br />

rom saapelacio instanciaSi da<br />

pirvel instanciaSic saqme warimarTa<br />

sisxlis saamarTlis saproceso<br />

kanonis arsebiTi darRvevebiT...<br />

saproceso kanonmdebloba maSin ambobda,<br />

rom arsebiTad miiCneoda<br />

kodeqsis moTxovnebis iseTi dar-<br />

Rveva, romelmac SezRuda procesis<br />

monawileTa uflebebi, maT<br />

Soris, roca 14 mtkicebuleba ar<br />

gaacnes, sxvaze rom araferi vTqvaT!<br />

aRniSnul mtkicebulebebs<br />

arc uzenaes sasamarTloSi gascnobian,<br />

rac strasburgma yvelaze<br />

did problemad miiCnia sasamarTloebTan<br />

mimarTebiT, radgan amiT<br />

xeli SeuSales saqmis yovelmxriv<br />

srulad da obieqturad ganxilvas,<br />

gavlena moaxdines kanonieri,<br />

safuZvliani da samarTliani ganaCenis<br />

dadgomaze.<br />

Tuki Cven dResac migvaCnia, rom<br />

qveda instanciebis romelime gadawyvetileba<br />

iyo kanonieri, safuZvliani<br />

da samarTliani, maSin Cven<br />

absoluturad sxvadasxva enaze gamogvdis<br />

saubari. maT Soris, im<br />

gadawyvetilebazec, rac strasburgis<br />

sasamarTlom daadgina. me<br />

movismine da gavecani murusiZis<br />

mosazrebas imasTan dakavSirebiT,<br />

rom vinaidan ar iyo saapelacio<br />

saCivari wardgenili dazaralebulis<br />

uflebamonacvle advokatis<br />

mier, amitom im pirobebSi, rogor-<br />

Sic amovida es saqme uzenaes sasamarTloSi,<br />

faqtobrivad, azri hqonda<br />

dakarguli, misi sityvebiT, _<br />

ganaCenis gauqmebasa da dabrunebas...<br />

albaT, am dros, sjobs, neitralurma<br />

iuristebma Seafason es<br />

imitom, rom arc TviTon iqneba neitraluri<br />

batoni murusiZe, radgan<br />

is mosamarTlea, romelmac ga-<br />

es naRmi aris sasamarTlo...~<br />

naCens moawera xeli da arc me viqnebi<br />

neitraluri, radgan es saqme<br />

me mtkiva.<br />

faqtia, rom mas es uflebamosileba<br />

hqonda, daebrunebia saqme<br />

Tavidan gansaxilvelad... yvelaze<br />

mniSvnelovani problema masTan mimarTebiTac,<br />

rogorc sxva qvemdgom<br />

sasamarTloebSi, aris is, rom<br />

mas unda mieca dazarebuli mxaris-<br />

Tvis minimaluri saproceso uflebebi<br />

da mtkicebulebebis gacnobis<br />

SesaZlebloba _ strasburgis sasamarTlo<br />

erTianobaSi afasebs am<br />

procedurebs, evropul sasamarTlos<br />

ar gamouyvia romelime instanciis<br />

problemuroba mtkicebulebebTan<br />

dakavSirebiT, man Tqva,<br />

rom sasamarTloebma da saxelmwifom<br />

ar uzrunvelyo mtkicebulebebis<br />

gacnoba.<br />

mTeli problema is aris, rom<br />

`rac Seexeba sandros megobar buxaiZes,<br />

gamtaceblebma Zlier nacemi da SiSvel<br />

mdgomareobaSi myofi sasaflaoze datoves,<br />

romelmac uaxloes benzingasamarT sadgurs<br />

miagno, saidanac policias daukavSirda.<br />

Sss gamoZiebis sawyisi etapidanve axdenda<br />

sandro girgvlianis sicocxlisa da<br />

Tavisuflebis xelyofis samarTalwarmoebis<br />

mikerZoebul, arasrulyofil, usamarTlo da<br />

araobieqtur gamoZiebas, rac xorcieldeboda<br />

maSindeli ministrisa da kudis ufrosis, daTa<br />

axalaias xelmZRvanelobiT, aseve adgili<br />

hqonda sasjelis arasaTanado aRsrulebisaTvis<br />

msjavrdebuli pirebisTvis ukanono SeRavaTebis<br />

dawesebas da sasjelisgan maT vadamde<br />

ganTavisuflebas~<br />

irine enuqiZe ise wavida amqveynidan,<br />

araTu imas ver moeswro, rom<br />

samarTals ezeima am saqmeze... irine<br />

enuqiZe ise wavida, man ar icoda,<br />

misi Svilis mkvlelobis saqmeSi ra<br />

mtkicebulebebi iyo da, ra Tqma<br />

unda, es tvirTi da pasuxismgebloba<br />

im mosamarTleebma unda itvir-<br />

Ton, romlebmac ganaCens xeli<br />

moaweres. im dros moqmedi saproceso<br />

kodeqsis 50-e muxli adgenda<br />

Semdegs, rom sasamarTlos saTanado<br />

safuZvlis arsebobis SemTxvevaSi<br />

ufleba hqonda, kerZo dadgenileba<br />

gamoetana, romliTac saxelmwifo<br />

organos, sazogadoebrivi<br />

organizaciis, politikuri gaer-<br />

Tianebisa da Tanamdebobis piris<br />

yuradRebas miiqcevs saqmeze dadgenili<br />

kanonis darRvevis faqtze,<br />

danaSaulis Cadenis mizezebsa da<br />

xelSemwyob pirobebze, romelic<br />

saWiroebs saTanado zomebis miRebas.<br />

ra uSlida mas xels? Tu is<br />

SezRuduli iyo gamoZiebisa da<br />

braldebis farglebSi, kerZo dadgenileba<br />

gamoetana da saTanado<br />

ganCinebiT gaemarTa.<br />

yvelaze mniSvnelovania, Tu Sida<br />

instanciis erovnul mosamarTles<br />

miaCnda, rom mas raime saxis<br />

dabrkolebas uqminda im dros moqmedi<br />

kanoni, mas aseve SeeZlo exelmZRvanela<br />

adamianis uflebaTa<br />

evropuli konvenciiT, rogorc upiratesi,<br />

ufro maRla mdgomi, ufro<br />

maRali iuridiuli Zalis mqone<br />

dokumentiT, imitom rom evropul<br />

konvencias upiratesi Zala aqvs,<br />

vidre igive sisxlis samarTlis<br />

kanonmdeblobas, anu ukidures<br />

SemTxvevaSi, Tu mas miaCnda kanoni,<br />

romelic mas unda gamoeyenebina<br />

adamianis fundamenturi uflebis<br />

da am SemTxvevaSi sicocxlis uflebidan<br />

gamomdinare, obieqtur<br />

gamoZiebas xels SeuSlida, mas See-<br />

Zlo miemarTa sakonstitucio sasamarTlosTvis<br />

kanonis konstituciasTan<br />

Sesabamisobis sakiTxze.<br />

`girgvlianis saqmeze~ qarTul<br />

saxelmwifos saTanado daskvnebi<br />

ar gamoutania, radgan dResac gvaqvs<br />

sxva SemTxvevebi! saxelmwifos<br />

saxeliT moqmedi pirebis mier Sei-<br />

Zleba ara, magaliTad, rac, vTqvaT,<br />

`girgvlianis saqmeSi~ SesaZloa,<br />

sul sxvagvarad iyo, imitom rom<br />

oficialuri policiis specoperacias<br />

ar hqonda adgili. igive, rac<br />

dRes gvaqvs maCalikaSvilis saqmeze,<br />

aseve gvaqvs xoravas quCis saqmesTan<br />

dakavSirebuli problemac,<br />

rodesac arasaTanado gamoZiebis<br />

Catareba vixileT da, savaraudod,<br />

iq ikveTeba swored xelisuflebis<br />

interesebi. es ar aris ubralod<br />

ususurobis, uniaTobis problema,<br />

es aris konkretuli mizani, am saqmeebze<br />

WeSmariteba ar dadges. ase-<br />

Tive mizani amoZravebda wina xelisuflebas<br />

`girgvlianis saqmeze~. am<br />

sakiTxis wamoweva, bunebrivia, politikur<br />

process ukavSirdeba,<br />

romelic arCevnebs ebmis. Tumca es<br />

mxolod am politikuri procesiT<br />

ar Semoifargleba da ufro far-<br />

To politikuri procesis mizezia<br />

amis ukan da getyviT rac: `qarTulma<br />

ocnebam~, winasaarCvno danapirebisgan<br />

gansxvavebiT, ver da rig<br />

SemTxvevebSi ar uzrunvelyo ise-<br />

Ti nabijebis gadadgma, romliTac<br />

saqarTvelos moqalaqe icxovrebda<br />

ufro samarTlian da Tavisufal<br />

garemoSi. Cven varT igive usamarTlobis<br />

morevSi sasamarTlosTan<br />

mimarTebiT, ra morevSic<br />

viyaviT. mxedvelobaSi ar maqvs is,<br />

rom dRes sasamarTlo gacilebiT<br />

loialuria da adamianis uflebebis<br />

darRvevis faqtebi gacilebiT<br />

naklebia. vgulisxmob sasamarTlos<br />

damoukideblobis xarisxs, romelic<br />

iseTive dabalia, rogoric wina<br />

xelisuflebis pirobebSi iyo. dRevandeli<br />

politikuri xelisuflebisTvis<br />

am sasamarTlos marTvis sadaveebTan<br />

mdgar pirebze gadafareba<br />

absoluturad logikuria im<br />

prolitikuri amocanebidan gamomdinare,<br />

romelic maT aqvT, radgan<br />

am xelisuflebas, iseve rogorc<br />

wina xelisuflebas, sWirdeba da<br />

ver ambobs uars politikur mar-<br />

Tlmsajulebaze. araviTari sxva<br />

funqcia im mosamarTleTa klans,<br />

romelic iusticiis umaRles sab-<br />

WoSia, dRes ar gaaCnia, is komfortulad<br />

grZnobs Tavs iq, sadac<br />

aris da amis sanacvlod mzad gaxlavT,<br />

Seasrulos davalebebi,<br />

romelic maRali politikuri mniSvnelobis<br />

mqone saqmeebs ukavSirdeba,<br />

magaliTad, `rusTavi 2-sa~ da<br />

sxv. amitom politikuri xelmZRvaneloba<br />

da xelisufleba sanam ar<br />

gaiTavisebs, am qveynis TiToeuli<br />

moqalaqisTvis da maTTvis ra mniSvneloba<br />

aqvs damoukidebel da miukerZoebel<br />

sasamarTlos, manamde,<br />

samwuxarod, es tandemi iqneba...<br />

_ ra miviReT `girgvlianis saq-<br />

mis~ Semdeg da dRes ra etapzea es<br />

saqme?<br />

_ es saqme ar aris daxuruli<br />

ministrTa komiteteSi, aRsrulebis<br />

etapzea. gamoZieba unda dawyebuliyo<br />

da is, rac wina xelisuflebam<br />

ar gaakeTa, am xelisuflebas<br />

unda gaekeTebina. axla ukve<br />

imasTan mivideT, ra ar gaakeTa am<br />

xelisuflebam?! `girgvlianis saqme~<br />

gamoiyena mxolod politikuri<br />

marTlmsajulebisTvis, mxolod<br />

misi oponentebis dasasjelad. me<br />

ar vambob, rom ar unda daesaja,<br />

arc imas, rom araswori iyo maT mimarT<br />

dawyebuli sisxlis samarTlebrivi<br />

dava... ubralod, es ar iyo<br />

srulyofili, amomwuravi da imaze<br />

orientirebuli, rom yvela is adamiani<br />

dasjiliyo, pirvel rigSi,<br />

gamoZieblebi, prokurorebi, mosamarTleebi,<br />

romlebmac sakuTari<br />

xelmoweriT daadastures is ukanonoba,<br />

rac am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT<br />

politikur xelmZRvanelobas<br />

hqonda dakveTis saxiT miRebuli.<br />

es adamianebi dRes Tavisuflebi<br />

arian yovelgvari pasuxismgeblobisgan...<br />

vin vixileT am saqmeze<br />

braldebulis skamze?! _ baCo axalaia,<br />

daTa axalaia, vano merabiSvili,<br />

oleg melnikovi... magram Cven<br />

ar gvixilavs da qarTul sasamarTlos<br />

ar Seufasebia im adamianTa<br />

qmedeba, romlebmac gaayalbes<br />

oqmebi da vinc ayalbebda sisxlis<br />

samarTlis saqmeebs, vinc ukanono<br />

ganaCenebze awerda xels. amitom xelisuflebis<br />

midgoma, maT Soris,<br />

`girgvlianis saqmis~ mimarT, xom<br />

xedavT, rogoria?! es saqme politikuri<br />

interesebisTvis gamoiyena,<br />

Torem realurad Sardenis quCaze<br />

ra moxda, es vinmem bolomde icis?!<br />

dResac gamoZiebis qveS aris oqroyanis<br />

epizodi da ar aris gamoZiebuli.<br />

mTeli problemac es gaxlavT,<br />

_ xelisufleba marTlmsajulebas<br />

mxolod misi politikuri<br />

interesisTvis iyenebs.<br />

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Tamar rostiaSvili<br />

577 10 07 06<br />

jer yuradRebiT wavikiTxoT,<br />

pankisis xeobis mosaxleobasTan dapirispirebamde, ra gancxa-<br />

deba gaavrcela mSenebelma kompania `alazani enerjim~:<br />

`aRniSnuli proeqtis warmatebiT ganxorcielebis Semdeg<br />

kompania gegmavs `samyurawyali-2 hesis~ mSeneblobasac. es ukanaskneli<br />

30 TveSi unda dasruldes. hesebi, romelTa mSeneblobac<br />

pankisis xeobaSia dagegmili, e. w. mcire energetikas ganekuTvneba<br />

da maTi gavlena garemoze minimaluria. orive proeq-<br />

tis jamuri investicia 40 milion aSS dolarze metia, xolo<br />

orive hesi jamurad gamoimuSavebs 160 mln kvt/sT eleqtroenergias,<br />

rac Zalian didi kontribuciaa adgilobriv ekonomi-<br />

kaSi. amasTan erTad, mSeneblobis mTeli periodis ganmavloba-<br />

Si, sxva specialistebTan erTad, dasaqmebuli iqneba aranak-<br />

leb 100 adgilobrivi mosaxlec.<br />

uaxloes periodSi hidroeleqtrosadgurebis<br />

mSenebeli kompaniebi<br />

urTierTTanamSromlobis memorandums<br />

gaaformeben adgilobriv<br />

mosaxleobasTan.<br />

memorandumis proeqtis Tanaxmad,<br />

xeobisa da hesis mimdebared,<br />

ganlagebuli dasaxlebebis sasargeblod,<br />

socialuri proeqtebi<br />

ganxorcieldeba. kerZod, pankisis<br />

xeoba miiRebs ganaxlebul sagzao<br />

da energetikul infrastruqturas.<br />

kompania `feri~ aseve iRebs<br />

valdebulebas, gadaitanos arsebuli<br />

110-kilovoltiani eleqtrogadamcemi<br />

xazi _ birkiani (hesis Senobidan)<br />

duisis monakveTze. aRniSnuli<br />

xazebis gadatanis gamo moWrili<br />

garkveuli raodenobis xe-tye<br />

usasyidlod gadaecema xeobis adgilobriv<br />

mosaxleobas. kompania,<br />

saxelmwifosTan erTad, moawesrigebs<br />

omalo-dumasturis sasmeli<br />

wylis sistemas. Zibaxevisa da birkianis<br />

mosaxleobas specialurad<br />

Seqmnil fondSi Seutans moxmarebuli<br />

denis adekvatur Rirebulebas<br />

(2018 wlis moxmarebis Sesabamisad).<br />

Zibaxevi-birkianis teritoriaze,<br />

alaznis mimdebared, moawyobs<br />

martiv, usafrTxo sabanao adgils.<br />

xeobaSi mcxovrebi mosaxleoba<br />

SeuzRudavad gamoayenebinebs<br />

kompaniis sakuTrebaSi arsebul miwebs<br />

(saTave nagebobebis, hesis Senobebisa<br />

da milsadenis Tavze sa-<br />

Txreli samuSao adgilebis garda).<br />

im SemTxvevaSi, Tu hesis mier<br />

moxmarebuli wylis gamo sofel<br />

birkians wylis problema Seeqmneba,<br />

kompania dauyovnebliv aRmofxvris<br />

am sakiTxs. aseve garemontdeba<br />

sofel duisis sasmeli wylis<br />

rezervuari. mTavroba adgilobrivi<br />

mosaxleobis moTxovniT aa-<br />

Senebs birkiani-omalos damakavSirebel<br />

saavtomobilo xids. amasTan<br />

erTad, kompania, yovelwliurad,<br />

axlad Seqmnil pankisis xeobis fondSi<br />

Seitans 120 aTas lars. adgilobriv<br />

biujetSi yovelwliurad<br />

gadairicxeba erT milion larze<br />

meti, romelic isev regionis ganviTarebasa<br />

da mosaxleobis keTildReobas<br />

moxmardeba. aRsaniSnavia,<br />

rom `feris~ kargad icnoben axmetaSi.<br />

pankisis xeobaSi kompanias ukve<br />

aqvs ganxorcielebuli energetikuli<br />

proeqtebi, romelsac axmetis<br />

municipalur biujetSi mniSvnelovani<br />

Semosavali Seaqvs da<br />

xeobis erT-erTi msxvili damsaqmebelia.<br />

kompaniam ramdenime aTeuli<br />

adgilobrivi mcxovrebic gadaamzada,<br />

romelic amJamad saqarTvelos<br />

regionebSi mdebare `feris~<br />

sxva proeqtebSia dasaqmebuli~.<br />

garda aq moWril xe-tyeze, sasmeli<br />

wylis problemebsa da a. S.,<br />

sainteresoa, saidan Semodis es<br />

milionebi? vinme dafiqrebula, vin<br />

da ra fuli dgas am kompaniebis<br />

ukan? magaliTad, ruseTis saxelmwifo<br />

proeqtze. ratom arsad gaJRerebula<br />

is faqti, rom mSenebeli<br />

kompaniis umsxvilesi mewile ruse-<br />

Tis moqalaqea da arc ise didi xnis<br />

win, lamis, yoveldRe ijda fsb-s<br />

ofisSi _ dakiTxvebze.<br />

aq mxolod faqtebs moviyvanT _<br />

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mets arafers! Sefasebisganac ki<br />

Tavs SevikavebT.<br />

hidroeleqtrosadgur `xadori<br />

3-s~ kompania `alazani enerji~ da<br />

`feri~ aSenebs. `alazani enerji~<br />

2016 wels Camoyalibda da misi mesakuTre<br />

da direqtoric laSa iordaniSvilia.<br />

vin aris laSa iordaniSvili,<br />

qvemoT mogaxsenebT.<br />

Sps `feri~ _<br />

ruseTidan marTuli<br />

qarTuli monopolisti?!<br />

Sps `feri~ 1991 wels dafuZnda.<br />

1996 wlis agvistoSi, samewarmeo<br />

reestrSi registraciis droisTvis,<br />

`feris~ hyavda 11 damfuZnebeli.<br />

yvela damfuZnebeli, erTis<br />

garda, kompaniaSi mcire wils<br />

flobda (1-5%); wilebis did nawils<br />

ki _ 64 %-s _ flobda ioseb<br />

mWedliSvili. igi iyo aseve kompaniis<br />

direqtori. damfuZnebelTa<br />

wilebSi cvlileba 1998 wlidan<br />

daiwyo: 1998-2007 wlebSi kompaniis<br />

oTxma mewilem Tavisi wili ioseb<br />

mWedliSvilis sasargeblod daTmo.<br />

2012-2013 wlebSi ki ioseb mWedliSvilma<br />

miiRo kidev xuTi damfu-<br />

Zneblis wili, ris Semdegac mWedliSvili<br />

kompaniis udidesi wilis<br />

mflobeli gaxda 96%-iT. 4%-s kaxa<br />

SevardnaZe flobda. ioseb mWedliSvils<br />

amJamad kompaniis generaluri<br />

direqtoris Tanamdeboba<br />

ukavia. kompanias aseve hyavs direqtori<br />

(mTavari menejeri), es Tanamdeboba<br />

2005 wlidan ukavia merab<br />

iordaniSvils.<br />

masStaburi kvleva miuZRvna am<br />

sakiTxs `mwvane alternativam~ da<br />

uprecedento angariSic warmoadgina.<br />

1996 wels kompaniis sawesdebo<br />

kapitali Seadgenda 1 000 aSS dolars,<br />

2004 wels is gaizarda 400<br />

aTas laramde da 2005 wels Semcirda<br />

2 aTas laramde. 2013 wlis 29<br />

oqtombris mdgomareobiT, kompania<br />

`TBC bankis~ movalea: mas dagiravebuli<br />

aqvs gvirabgamyvani teqnika,<br />

pankisSi hess<br />

rusi biznesmeni<br />

aSenebs,romelic<br />

fsb-s `muSkaze~<br />

hyavs ayvanili<br />

`2011 wlis oqtomberSi kompaniam<br />

direqtoric Secvala; am droidan, 2013<br />

wlis CaTvliT, laSa iordaniSvilis<br />

nacvlad, kompaniis direqtorad zurab<br />

alaviZe dainiSna. zurab alaviZe giorgi<br />

kvirikaSvilis kurseli gaxldaT. 2015<br />

wels, kvirikaSvilis gapremierebis Semdeg,<br />

igi jer saqarTvelos mTavrobis<br />

administraciaSi strategiuli proeqtebis<br />

koordinaciis departamentis ufrosi<br />

xdeba, Semdeg ki, 2016 wlis 29 noembridan,<br />

saqarTvelos regionuli ganviTarebisa da<br />

infrastruqturis ministri~<br />

kompaniis 30%-iani wili Sps `energiaSi~<br />

(dagiravebulia aseve Sps `energiis~<br />

meore mflobelis, mevlud<br />

bliaZis 70%-iani wili), aseve Sps<br />

`energiis~ arsebuli da samomavlo<br />

aramaterialuri qonebrivi sikeTe.<br />

`feris~ `TBC bankTan~ aseve dadebuli<br />

aqvs salizingo xelSekrulebebi<br />

(2011, 2012) moZrav qonebaze.<br />

2012 wlis maisSi biznesdajildoeba<br />

`merkuri 2012-ze~ kompania `ferim~<br />

erT-erT nominaciaSi gaimarjva<br />

_ is wlis saukeTeso biznesad<br />

aRiares; kompanias jildo Tavad<br />

saqarTvelos prezidentma _ mixeil<br />

saakaSvilma gadasca. sainteresoa,<br />

rom wlis saukeTeso biznesad<br />

aRiarebidan erTi Tvis Semdeg,<br />

2012 wlis ivnisSi, ganmuxurSi ubeduri<br />

SemTxveva moxda, sadac sam-<br />

Seneblo samuSaoebs kompania<br />

`feri~ awarmoebda. anaklia-ganmuxuris<br />

centraluri wyalgayvanilobis<br />

montaJis dros CamoSlilma<br />

miwam muSa imsxverpla. momxdar<br />

faqts muSebi daCqarebul samuSaoebs<br />

ukavSireben (am informaciis<br />

damadasturebel videowyaros<br />

`qronika+~ flobs, _ red.). SemTxvevis<br />

gamoZiebis Sedegebi ar gaxmaurebula.<br />

Sps `feris~ wilis mflobelia<br />

aseve Sps `energia~, romelic 2010<br />

wlis seqtemberSi dafuZnda. kompaniaSi<br />

Sps `feris~ (direqtori merab<br />

iordaniSvili) wili 30%-s Seadgens;<br />

danarCen 70%-s ki mevlud<br />

bliaZe flobs. kompaniis direqtoria<br />

gaioz ugreliZe. kompania registrirebulia<br />

(iuridiuli misamarTi)<br />

Sps `peris~ (mflobeli da<br />

direqtori laSa iordaniSvili)<br />

kuTvnil farTze. dafuZnebisas<br />

kompaniis sawesdebo kapitali Seadgenda<br />

ori aTas lars. kompanias<br />

`TBC bankSi~ dagiravebuli aqvs<br />

orive mflobelis wilebi (Sps<br />

`feris~ 30% da mevlud<br />

bliaZis 70%), aseve Sps `energiis~<br />

arsebuli da samomavlo aramaterialuri<br />

qonebrivi sikeTe.<br />

reestridan amoRebuli giravnobis<br />

xelSekrulebidan irkveva,<br />

rom bankSi 30 milion aSS dolarad<br />

dagiravebulia Sps `energiis~<br />

mier `momavalSi SeZeneli an mis-<br />

Tvis momavalSi gadacemuli `larsis<br />

hidroeleqtrosadguris~ yvela<br />

da nebismieri danadgari, maT<br />

Soris, saderivacio-sadawneo milsadeni<br />

da agregatebi; yvela da nebismieri<br />

samomavlod SesaZeni moZravi<br />

qoneba da aramaterialuri<br />

qonebrivi sikeTe; nebismieri moZravi<br />

qoneba, romelzedac sakuTrebis<br />

ufleba damgiravebels warmoe-<br />

Soba am xelSekrulebaze xelmoweris<br />

Semdeg, maT Soris, sakuTrebaSi<br />

gadacemuli 19 mgvt. `larsis<br />

hidroeleqtrosadguris~ yvela da<br />

nebismieri danadgari, agreTve saderivacio-sadawneo<br />

milsadeni da<br />

agregatebi.<br />

reestridan aseve irkveva, rom<br />

kompanias 2011 wels ss bank `respublikasTan~<br />

dadebuli hqonda sakredito<br />

valdebulebis depozitiT<br />

uzrunvelyofis Sesaxeb xelSekruleba.<br />

xelSekrulebis sagania<br />

depozitze arsebuli Tanxidan<br />

damgiraveblis moTxovnis ufleba<br />

1 200 000 aSS dolaris odenobiT.<br />

Sps `energia~ yazbegis raionSi,<br />

darialis xeobaSi, 19 mgvt simZlavris<br />

larsis hidroeleqtrosadgurs<br />

aSenebda. proeqti xorcieldeboda<br />

saqarTvelos mTavrobas,<br />

Sps eleqtroenergetikuli sistemis<br />

komerciul operatorsa (esko)<br />

da Sps `energias~ Soris 2011 wlis<br />

17 maiss `larsi hesis~ mSeneblobis,<br />

operirebisa da flobis Sesaxeb<br />

dadebuli urTierTgagebis memorandumis<br />

safuZvelze.<br />

2012 wlis ivlisSi Sps `energiam~<br />

kidev erTi hesis mSeneblobis, operirebisa<br />

da flobis Sesaxeb dado<br />

8 N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04-06.05.2019 w.

saqarTvelos mTavrobasTan urTierTgagebis<br />

memorandumi. es aris<br />

5 mgvt simZlavris `Sildis hesi~<br />

yvarlis municipalitetSi, mdinare<br />

CelTize. rogorc proeqtis dokumentaciidan<br />

irkveva, proeqts Tavdapirvelad<br />

axorcielebda ss<br />

`GGEDC~-i. es aris Sps `saqar-<br />

Tvelos navTobisa da gazis korporaciis~<br />

mier dafuZnebuli kompania<br />

(korporaciis 100%-iani mflobelobiT),<br />

uSualod hesis proeqtirebas<br />

da mSeneblobas ki awarmoebda<br />

Sps `feri~. memorandumis safuZvelze,<br />

2012 wlis ivlisSi, ss<br />

`GGEDC~-is mier dawyebuli proeqtis<br />

ganxorcieleba Sps `energiam~<br />

gaagrZela. 2012 wlis seqtemberSi,<br />

proeqtis saWiroebisTvis, Sps `energias~,<br />

saqarTvelos prezidentis<br />

gankargulebiT, sakuTrebaSi gadaeca<br />

garkveuli miwis nakveTebi, saguramo-wiTeli<br />

xidis 972 metri sigrZis<br />

magistraluri gazsadeni,<br />

aseve usasyidlo aRnagobis formiT,<br />

99 wlis vadiT _ mdinare Cel-<br />

Tis kalapotis miwebi. 2012 wlis<br />

seqtemberSive Sildis hesi eqspluataciaSi<br />

Sevida.<br />

Sps `dariali enerji~ dafuZnda<br />

2010 wlis dekemberSi. mas ori damfuZnebeli<br />

partniori hyavda: aSS-<br />

Si registrirebuli `robins kompani~<br />

(The Robbins Company) _ 30%-<br />

iani wiliT da Sps `feri~ _ 70%-<br />

iani wiliT. Sps `dariali enerji~,<br />

iseve rogorc Sps `energia~ registrirebul<br />

iqna (iuridiuli misamarTi)<br />

Sps `feris~ (mflobeli da<br />

direqtori laSa iordaniSvili)<br />

kuTvnil farTze. aqve davZenT,<br />

rom kompaniis saqmianobis mimarTulebad<br />

ganisazRvra yazbegis<br />

municipalitetSi. `dariali hesis~<br />

proeqtis ganviTarebisTvis 2011<br />

wlis 19 maiss saqarTvelos mTavrobas,<br />

Sps `dariali enerjis~, Sps<br />

`energotranssa~ da Sps `eleqtroenergetikuli<br />

sistemis komerciul<br />

operators~ Soris daido xelSekruleba<br />

109 mgvt simZlavris darialis<br />

hesis mSeneblobisa da flobis<br />

Sesaxeb. 2011 wlis seqtemberSi<br />

kompaniam saaqcio sazogadoebad<br />

reorganizacia gadawyvita da, sul<br />

male, is 33 333 333 aSS dolaramde<br />

gaizarda. aqciebis 70%-is mesaku-<br />

Tre kvlav Sps `feri~ iyo, 30%-is<br />

ki _ `robins kompania~. 2011 wlis<br />

seqtemberSive kompaniis wilebi xelaxla<br />

gadanawilda _ kompanias<br />

gauCnda axali aqcioneri ss `saqarTvelos<br />

energetikis ganviTarebis<br />

fondis~ (JSC Georgian Energy Development<br />

Fund, GEDF) saxiT, romelmac<br />

10 mln aSS dolarad iyida kompaniis<br />

saaqcio kapitalis 30%. am<br />

cvlilebis Sedegad Sps `feris~<br />

wili saaqcio kapitalSi 40%-mde<br />

Semcirda, xolo `robins kompanis~<br />

igive darCa _ 30%. 2011 wlis oqtomberSi<br />

kompaniam direqtoric<br />

Secvala; am droidan, 2013 wlis Ca-<br />

TvliT, laSa iordaniSvilis nacvlad,<br />

kompaniis direqtorad zurab<br />

alaviZe dainiSna. zurab alaviZe<br />

giorgi kvirikaSvilis kurseli gaxldaT.<br />

2015 wels, kvirikaSvilis<br />

gapremierebis Semdeg, igi jer saqarTvelos<br />

mTavrobis administraciaSi<br />

strategiuli proeqtebis<br />

koordinaciis departamentis ufrosi<br />

xdeba, Semdeg ki, 2016 wlis 29<br />

noembridan, saqarTvelos regionuli<br />

ganviTarebisa da infrastruqturis<br />

ministri.<br />

davubrundeT preistorias: 2013<br />

wlis agvistoSi ss `dariali enerjim~<br />

ganacxada, rom finansuri<br />

problemebis gamo safrTxis qveS<br />

dgeba proeqtis ganviTareba da<br />

proeqtis dasrulebam, SesaZloa,<br />

gaurkveveli vadiT gadaiwios. 2013<br />

wlis 14 agvistos saqarTvelos energetikis<br />

ministr kaxa kalaZisTvis<br />

miweril werilSi kompania arsebuli<br />

viTarebidan erTaderT gamosavlad<br />

ministrs Semdegs sTavazobs:<br />

`proeqtis dasrulebisTvis<br />

aucilebelia sabanko dafinanseba,<br />

rasTan dakavSirebiTac kompania<br />

didi xnis manZilze awarmoebs samuSaoebs<br />

qarTul da saerTaSoriso<br />

finansur institutebTan. sesxis<br />

damtkicebis winapirobad bankebi<br />

iTxoven, rom kompaniam moizidos<br />

damatebiTi kapitali 20 milioni<br />

aSS dolaris odenobiT. ss `dariali<br />

enerjim~ moiZia Sesabamisi resursi<br />

_ Sps `enegia~ mzad aris ganaxorcielos<br />

Senatani kompaniis<br />

kapitalSi 10 mlioni aSS dolaris<br />

saxiT da gamouyos kompanias aqcionerTa<br />

sesxis saxiT damatebiTi<br />

10 milioni aSS dolari, romlis<br />

saprocento ganakveTi ganisazRvreba<br />

wliuri 10%-iT. sanacvlod<br />

Sps `energia~ iTxovs, rom kompanias<br />

hqondes `saqarTvelos energetikis<br />

ganviTarebis fondis~ (SemdgomSi<br />

GEDF) sakuTrebaSi arsebuli aqciebis<br />

yidvis ofcia hidroeleqtrosadguris<br />

eqspluataciaSi gaSvebis<br />

Semdgom 15 milion aSS dolarad.<br />

sxva gza ss `dariali enerjis~ mier<br />

damatebiTi 20 milioni aSS dolaris<br />

mopovebisa, am etapze, ar arsebobs~.<br />

weriliT ss `dariali enerji~<br />

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`2010 wels saqarTveloSi dafuZnebuli kompania<br />

Sps "energiis" sakuTrebaSia "dariali hesi",<br />

"larsi hesi" da "Silda hesi". "energiis" 70%<br />

ruseTis moqalaqe mevlud bliaZes ekuTvnis, 30%<br />

ki Sps "feris" mflobelobaSia. statistikis<br />

erovnuli samsaxuris mier mowodebuli<br />

informaciiT, mevlud bliaZis investicia 2011<br />

wels ruseTidan ganxorcielebul yvelaze<br />

msxvil investiciebs Soris moxvda. mevlud<br />

bliaZe ruseTSi flobs kompania "pilons",<br />

romelic xidebis mSeneblobasa da<br />

rekonstruqcias axorcielebs. mas miniWebuli<br />

aqvs "ruseTis damsaxurebuli mSeneblis" wodeba.~<br />

iTxovs Tanxmobas, rom GEDF-ma<br />

moaweros xeli dokuments, romelic<br />

iTvaliswinebs ss `dariali enerjis~<br />

kapitalis gazrdas da sesxis<br />

aRebas. 2013 wlis pirvel oqtombers<br />

saqarTvelos mTavrobam<br />

daakmayofila kompaniis zemoT aRwerili<br />

moTxovna _ gamoica mTavrobis<br />

gankarguleba, romliTac<br />

mowonebul iqna aqciebis ganTavsebisa<br />

da aqcionerTa xelSekrulebis<br />

proeqti.<br />

vin aris Sps `energiis~ mepatro-<br />

ne mevlud bliaZe?!<br />

informaciis Tavisuflebis ganviTarebis<br />

institutis (IDFI) mixedviT,<br />

eleqtroenergia is sferoa,<br />

sadac rusuli kompaniebi da ruse-<br />

Tis moqalaqeebis mier dafuZnebuli<br />

kompaniebi yvelaze farTod arian<br />

warmodgenilni qarTul bazarze.<br />

2010 wels saqarTveloSi dafu-<br />

Znebuli kompania Sps `energiis~<br />

sakuTrebaSia `dariali hesi~, `larsi<br />

hesi~ da `Silda hesi~. `energiis~<br />

70% ruseTis moqalaqe mevlud<br />

bliaZes ekuTvnis, 30% ki Sps `feris~<br />

mflobelobaSia. statistikis<br />

erovnuli samsaxuris mier mowodebuli<br />

informaciiT, mevlud bliaZis<br />

investicia 2011 wels ruseTidan<br />

ganxorcielebul yvelaze msxvil<br />

investiciebs Soris moxvda. mevlud<br />

bliaZe ruseTSi flobs kompania<br />

`pilons~, romelic xidebis<br />

mSeneblobasa da rekonstruqcias<br />

axorcielebs. mas miniWebuli aqvs<br />

`ruseTis damsaxurebuli mSeneblis~<br />

wodeba.<br />

Sps `pilons~ sankt-peterburg-<br />

Si unda gaekeTebina e. w. mwvane xidis<br />

grandiozuli rekonstruqcia.<br />

rusuli mediis informaciiT, mevlud<br />

bliaZe swored im mSenebelTagania,<br />

romelmac `iaxteni~ xidis<br />

mSenebloba daiwyo krestovskis<br />

kunZulze. sankt-peterburgis mTavrobam,<br />

romelmac manamde sakmao<br />

fuli gaxarja zenit-arenis mSeneblobaze,<br />

daaskvna, rom bliaZis xidisTvis<br />

(romelic am arenamde unda<br />

misuliyo) fuli aRar hyofnida.<br />

arada, marto 2013-2016 wlebSi<br />

`pilonma~ 27 miliardi rublis<br />

kontraqti dado. miuxedavad amisa,<br />

zemoT aRniSnuli mSenebloba kompaniis<br />

ofisebSi fsb-s CxrekiT<br />

dasrulda. mevlud bliaZis kompania<br />

aqtiurad agrZelebda tenderebSi<br />

monawileobas. 2018 wlis Semodgomaze<br />

fsb-m masStaburi Cxreka<br />

Caatara `levanTodoreSi~, romelsac<br />

`pilonma~ mTeli rigi kontraqtebi<br />

daudo. rusuli mediac<br />

ar malavs im faqts, rom fsb ubralo<br />

SemowmebiT aravisTan midis da<br />

mas seriozuli safuZveli unda<br />

hqondes amisTvis _ rac ar unda<br />

iyos, saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis<br />

samsaxuria . am movlenebidan maleve<br />

sankt-peterburgis gubernatori<br />

igor albini gadadga.<br />

dRes ruseTis saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis<br />

samsaxuri mevlud bliaZes<br />

saxelmwifo pirebTan ukanono<br />

korufciul garigebebSi Sesvlas<br />

edaveba, rac sabiujeto Tanxebis<br />

miTvisebas utoldeba. SeiZleba<br />

iTqvas, rom mas Seewira sankt-peterburgis<br />

gubernatori. mevlud<br />

bliaZe araerTgzis dakiTxa fsb-m.<br />

paralelebi rTuli gamosakveTi ar<br />

unda iyos. SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas,<br />

rom igive politikas axorcielebs<br />

misi kompania saqarTveloSi?! ra<br />

rols TamaSobs amaSi ruseTis<br />

mTavroba da kerZod, fsb?!<br />

e. i. pankisSi hesi unda aeSenebina<br />

kompanias, romlis erT-erTi mepatrone<br />

aris ruseTis moqalaqe<br />

mevlud bliaZe da romelic fsb-s,<br />

faqtobrivad, `muSkaze~ hyavs ayvanili.<br />

partniorebTan sasamarTlo<br />

davebi, dayadaRebuli wilebi da<br />

gadagdebuli kompaniebi<br />

2005 wlidan zurab alaviZes<br />

ekava `VTB bankis~ (`gaerTianebuli<br />

qarTuli banki~) generaluri direqtoris<br />

moadgilis Tanamdeboba.<br />

2009-2010 wlebSi ki mas ekonomikuri<br />

ganviTarebis ministris moadgilis<br />

posti ekava. Sps `aRmosavle-<br />

Tis energokorporacia~ 1999 wels<br />

dafuZnda sami partnioris monawileobiT:<br />

siCuanis eleqtroenergetikuli<br />

importisa da eqsportis<br />

korporacia _ 54%; korporacia<br />

`hainan s.i.t. enterpraizi~ _ 39%;<br />

Sps `feri~ _ 7%. kompaniis saqmianobebs<br />

Soris kompaniis mTavar mimarTulebad<br />

ganisazRvra xadoris<br />

hidroeleqtrosadguris proeqtis<br />

momzadeba da ganxorcieleba.<br />

`hainan s.i.t. enterpraizi~ korporaciam<br />

droTa ganmavlobaSi daTmo<br />

Tavisi wili kompaniaSi da, sabolod,<br />

2004 wlidan dRemde, wilebi<br />

asea gadanawilebuli: 93%<br />

ekuTvnis siCuanis eleqtroenergetikuli<br />

importisa da eqsportis<br />

korporacias (CineTi) da 7% _ Sps<br />

`feris~. kompaniis sawesdebo kapitali<br />

dafuZnebisas Seadgenda 54<br />

980 aSS dolars, 2004 wels ki 5.5<br />

mln dolars gadaaWarba. Cinurma<br />

kompaniam sawesdebo kapitalis<br />

gazrdisTvis fuladi Senatani gaakeTa,<br />

Sps `ferma~ ki kompanias xadoris<br />

hesTan axlomdebare `minihesi<br />

II~ gadasca. iuridiuli pirebis<br />

reestris informaciis Tanaxmad,<br />

2013 wlis oqtombris mdgomareobiT,<br />

kompaniis mewileebi Tbilisis<br />

saqalaqo sasamarTloSi davaSi imyofebodnen.<br />

davis gamo, sasamarTlos<br />

gadawyvetilebiT, siCuanis<br />

eleqtroenergetikuli importisa<br />

da eqsportis korporaciis wili<br />

(93%) dayadaRda. 2013 wlis pirvel<br />

oqtombers davaSi myofi mxareebi<br />

SeTanxmdnen, rom Sps `feri~<br />

uars ityoda sarCelze da yadaRis<br />

gauqmebas moiTxovda; Cinuri mxare<br />

ki 2013 wlis 31 dekembramde Sei-<br />

Zenda Sps `feris~ 7%-ian wils kompaniaSi<br />

1 900 000 aSS dolarad. am<br />

pirobebis Sesrulebis Semdeg Cinur<br />

kompanias unda mieca garantia,<br />

rom 10 wlis ganmavlobaSi kompania<br />

Sps `feris~ miscemda `xadori-<br />

2 hesze~ gamomuSavebuli eleqtroenergiis<br />

gadacemis saSualebas mis<br />

kuTvnilebaSi myofi eleqtrogadamcemi<br />

xaziT, wliuri SeRavaTiani<br />

tarifiT 50 aTasi aSS dolari.<br />

ra xdeba amis Semdeg?! yazbegis<br />

municipalitetis sakuTrebaSi arsebuli<br />

Sps `yazbegi hesi~, pirdapiri<br />

miyidvis wesiT, Sps `ferim~<br />

2011 wlis agvistoSi 200 aTas larad<br />

SeiZina. Sps `yazbegi hesi~, privatizaciis<br />

momentisTvis, flobda<br />

yazbegis municipalitetSi, mdinare<br />

broliswyalze (xdiswyali) ganTavsebul<br />

mcire, 0.38 mgvt simZlavris<br />

hess _ `yazbegi hess~. kompaniis yidvidan<br />

mokle xanSi, 2012 wlis aprilSi,<br />

Sps `ferim~ mTlianad gaasxvisa<br />

100-procentiani wili fizikur<br />

pirebze _ laSa iordaniSvilsa<br />

(66.67%) da lela ioselianze<br />

(33.33%). sainteresoa, rom wilis<br />

nasyidobis xelSekrulebiT, lela<br />

ioselianis 33.33%-iani wilis safasuris<br />

gadaxda daevala ara Tavad<br />

xelSekrulebiT gansazRvrul myidvels<br />

_ lela ioselians, aramed<br />

ioseb mWedliSvils _ Sps `feris~<br />

Tanamflobels. es ukanaskneli da-<br />

Tanxmda am valdebulebis Sesrulebas.<br />

kompaniam 2013 wlis CaTvliT<br />

samjer Seicvala direqtori:<br />

privatizaciidan 2012 wlis 24 agvistomde<br />

kompaniis direqtori iyo<br />

giorgi ficxelauri, Semdgom is<br />

Caanacvla irakli Sengeliam; es<br />

ukanaskneli ki 2013 wlis ivnisSi<br />

Caanacvla giorgi goguam.<br />

kompaniis privatizaciis mTavar<br />

pirobad ganisazRvra Sps `yazbegi<br />

hesis~ sakuTrebaSi arsebuli hesis<br />

simZlavris gazrda 2.5 mgvt-mde,<br />

Tumca, mogvianebiT, es piroba Seicvala<br />

da kompanias daevala axali,<br />

aranakleb 5 mgvt simZlavris<br />

`yazbegis hesis~ mSenebloba imave<br />

mdinareze.<br />

gagrZeleba meaTe gv.<br />

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mecxre gverdidan<br />

Sps `ferisTan~<br />

dakavSirebuli kompania<br />

gaxlavT Landsvirkjun Power<br />

Landsvirkjun Power, romelic islandiuri<br />

saxelmwifo kompaniaa. is<br />

saqarTveloSi, savaraudod, 2010<br />

wlidan muSaobs. swored 2010 wels<br />

Landsvirkjun Power-ma, islandiur sakonsultacio<br />

kompania Verkis-Tan<br />

da qarTvel partniorebTan erTad,<br />

gaimarjva UNDP/Global Energy Fundis<br />

proeqtSi (Georgia - Promoting the<br />

Use of Renewable Energy Resources for<br />

Local Energy Supply) gamocxadebul<br />

tenderSi. milioni dolaris Rirebulebis<br />

kontraqti iTvaliswinebda<br />

saqarTveloSi sami mcire hesis<br />

(2.0-6,5 mgvt) reabilitaciasa da<br />

winasaproeqto kvlevebis Catarebas<br />

sxva oTxi mcire hesis proeqtisTvis.<br />

2011 wlis noemberSi<br />

sareabilitacio sami hesidan erTerTi<br />

`xadori-2 hesi~ iyo. savaraudod,<br />

Sps `ferisa~ da kompania<br />

Landsvirkjun Power-s Soris TanamSromloba<br />

pirvelad swored am proeqtis<br />

farglebSi Sedga. Landsvirkjun<br />

Power-sa da Sps `feris~ Soris TanamSromloba<br />

sxva proeqtebis farglebSic<br />

gagrZelda. kompaniis vebgverdze<br />

ganTavsebuli (2011 wlis<br />

20 ivlisiT daTariRebuli) informaciis<br />

Tanaxmad, kompaniam, kvlav<br />

sakonsultacio kompania Verkis-Tan<br />

erTad, Sps `dariali enerejisTan~<br />

dado xelSekruleba 109 mgvt sim-<br />

Zlavris `dariali hesis~ proeqtisTvis<br />

teqnikur-ekonomikuri kvlevis,<br />

satendero dokumentebisa<br />

da sainJinro gadawyvetis mosamzadeblad.<br />

kompania iqve aRniSnavs,<br />

rom Landsvirkjun Power-ma, Tavis mxriv,<br />

qvekontraqtebi dado qarTul<br />

kompaniebTan: Sps `ferisTan~, geologiuri<br />

kvlevebisTvis _ Sps `geoinJineringTan~<br />

(Geoengineering) da<br />

topografiuli da geodeziuri kvlevebisTvis<br />

_ Sps `geografikTan~<br />

(Geographic).<br />

zemoT CamoTvlil qarTul kompaniebTan<br />

islandiuri kompaniebis<br />

TanamSromloba gagrZelda kidev<br />

erTi proeqtis farglebSi; esaa<br />

20 da 25 mgvt simZlavris hesebis<br />

mSeneblobis proeqti mdinare ma-<br />

Waxelaze. Landsvirkjun Power-ma da<br />

Verkis-ma dades xelSekruleba Sps<br />

`maWaxela hesi 1-Tan~ sxvadasxva saxis<br />

sakonsultacio momsaxurebaze<br />

(satendero dokumentebis momzadeba,<br />

winaswari teqnikur-ekonomikuri<br />

kvleva da sxv.).<br />

iseve rogorc `dariali hesis~<br />

proeqtis SemTxvevaSi, kompania iqve<br />

aRniSnavs, rom am proeqtisTvisac,<br />

Landsvirkjun Power-ma, Tavis mxriv,<br />

qvekontraqtebi gaaforma Sps<br />

`ferisTan~, `geoinJineringTan~ da<br />

Sps `geografikTan~.<br />

saintereso ambebi<br />

samecniero-kvleviTi<br />

firma `gamas~ Sesaxeb<br />

samecniero-kvleviTi firma `gama~<br />

sakonsultacio kompaniaa, romelic<br />

sxvadasxva saxis serviss uzrunvelyofs,<br />

maT Soris, erT-er-<br />

294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />

pankisSi hess rusi biznesmeni<br />

aSenebs,romelic fsb-s<br />

`muSkaze~ hyavs ayvanili<br />

Tia sxvadasxva tipis proeqtisTvis<br />

garemoze zemoqmedebis Sefasebis<br />

kvlevebis Catareba. `gama konsaltingi~,<br />

rogorc mas xSirad moixsenieben,<br />

ss `dariali enerjis~ `dariali<br />

hesis~ proeqtis garemoze<br />

zemoqmedebis Sefasebis angariSis<br />

avtoria. `gama konsaltingma~ aseve<br />

moamzada md. broliswyalze (xdiswyali)<br />

Sps `yazbegi hesis~ mier<br />

dagegmili `yazbegi hesis~ proeqtis<br />

garemoze zemoqmedebis Sefasebis<br />

angariSis gadamuSavebuli versia<br />

(mas Semdeg, rac kompaniis mier<br />

garemos dacvis saministroSi pirvelad<br />

wardgenili gzS _ garemoze<br />

zemoqmedebis Sefasebis _ angariSi<br />

daiwunes). `gama konsaltingsa~ da<br />

Sps `feris~ Soris TanamSromloba<br />

Sedga foTis municipaluri wyalmomaragebis<br />

proeqtis farglebSi.<br />

rac Seexeba `Tbilwyalgeos~, is<br />

2000 wlis 20 ivlisis mdgomareobiT,<br />

sajaro samarTlis iuridiul<br />

pirs warmoadgenda. `Tbilwyalgeom~<br />

Sps `energiis~ dakveTiT Caatara<br />

garemoze zemoqmedebis Sefaseba<br />

`larsi hesis~ proeqtisTvis;<br />

aseve amave organizaciam moamzada<br />

md. broliswyalze (xdiswyali)<br />

Sps `yazbegi hesis~ mier dagegmili<br />

`yazbegi hesis~ proeqtis garemoze<br />

zemoqmedebis Sefasebis<br />

angariSis pirveladi versia (versia,<br />

romelic garemos dacvis saministrom<br />

daiwuna _ ar gasca ekologiuri<br />

eqspertizis dadebiTi daskvna).<br />

mcxeTa-mTianeTis regionSi<br />

dagegmili hesebis umravlesobas<br />

Sps `feri~ da masTan wilebiT dakavSirebuli<br />

kompaniebi axorcielebdnen.<br />

erTaderTi gamonaklisia 8<br />

mgvt simZlavris `aragvi hesis~<br />

proeqti mdinare TeTr aragvze,<br />

romelsac Sps `energoaragvi~ axorcielebda.<br />

Tumca am proeqtSic<br />

Sps `feri~ iyo CarTuli. am SemTxvevaSic<br />

is Sps `energoaragvis~ dakveTiT<br />

samSeneblo samuSaoebs asrulebda.<br />

2010 wlis adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis<br />

arCevnebisas, `er-<br />

Tiani nacionaluri moZraobis~ Semomwirvel<br />

kompaniebs Soris iyo<br />

Sps `feric~. kompaniam 2010 wlis 19<br />

Tebervals mmarTvel politikur<br />

partias 50 aTasi lari Seswira,<br />

2012 wels ki ukve, saparlamento<br />

arCevnebisTvis, saqarTvelos kanonmdeblobiT,<br />

politikur partiebs<br />

ukve akrZaluli hqondaT Semowirulobebis<br />

miReba kompaniebisgan.<br />

amasTan, fizikuri pirebisTvis<br />

partiebisTvis Semowirulobebis<br />

wliur zeda zRvrad 60 aTasi lari<br />

ganisazRvra. rogorc politikuri<br />

partiebis Semowirulobebis monacemebidan<br />

irkveva, `erTiani nacionaluri<br />

moZraobis~ Semomwirvelebs<br />

Soris kvlav aRmoCndnen<br />

Sps `ferisTan~ dakavSirebul kompaniebTan<br />

asocirebuli pirebi.<br />

eseni arian: zurab alaviZe, ss<br />

`dariali enerjis~ direqtori _<br />

man mmarTvel partias 2012 wlis 30<br />

ivliss 35 aTasi lari Seswira; la-<br />

Sa iordaniSvili, ss `dariali enerjis~<br />

yofili direqtori, Sps<br />

`yazbegi hesis~ Tanamflobeli _<br />

man mmarTvel partias 2012 wlis 10<br />

ivliss 40 aTasi lari Seswira; amave<br />

dRes ioseb mWedliSvilma (Sps<br />

`feris~ 96%-iani wilis mflobeli)<br />

`erTian nacionalur moZraobas~<br />

Semowirulobis maqsimaluri dasa-<br />

Svebi raodenoba _ 60 aTasi lari<br />

Seswira.<br />

`feris~ mier<br />

ganadgurebuli teritoriebi?<br />

2010 wels uprecedento samarTlebrivi<br />

aqti, romelic miiRes kompania<br />

`feris~ (`darial enerjis~<br />

partniori) sasargeblod, iyo<br />

mTavrobis gankarguleba #460 `md.<br />

alazanze `xadori-2 hesis~ mSeneblobis<br />

saqmianobis garemoze zemoqmedebis<br />

Sefasebis angariSisgan<br />

ganTavisuflebis Sesaxeb~.<br />

`qarTuli ocnebis~ mTavrobisa<br />

da mixeil saakaSvilis sinqronul<br />

qmedebebs Seewira kidev erTi _<br />

bunebis Zegli _ xdis xeoba. kompania<br />

`feris~, mTavrobisa da prezidentis<br />

ZalisxmeviT (gamocemuli<br />

aqtebis safuZvelze), manamde<br />

gaugrZelda memorandumis periodi,<br />

sanam am xeobaSi `yazbegi hesis~<br />

mSeneblobis nebarTva ar miiRo.<br />

2009 wlis 22 maiss saqarTvelos<br />

garemos dacvisa da bunebrivi<br />

resursebis ministris #292-e br-<br />

ZanebiT Sps `feris~ uari eTqva<br />

garemoze zemoqmedebis nebarTvis<br />

gacemaze, vinaidan saministroSi<br />

warmodgenili angariSi Zalze uxarisxo<br />

iyo.<br />

`ra saerTo-saxelmwifoebriv<br />

interess ukavSirdeboda 1,8-megavatiani<br />

hesis mSenebloba, yovlad<br />

gaugebaria. xelisuflebis gaum-<br />

Wvirvale da saeWvo qmedebebs<br />

ganekuTvneba amave kompaniis sasargeblod<br />

xdis xeobaSi `yazbegi hesis~<br />

mSeneblobis Sesaxeb gadawyvetilebis<br />

miRebac. yovelgvari<br />

dasabuTebisa da SesaZlo dadebi-<br />

Ti an uaryofiTi Sedegebis gaTvlis<br />

gareSe, Sps `yazbegi hesis~ mesakuTreTa<br />

survilis dasakmayofileblad,<br />

sxvadasxva donis saxelmwifo<br />

struqturam (adgilobrivi<br />

TviTmmarTeloba, ekonomikis<br />

saministro, prezidenti), SeTanxmebulad,<br />

sul erT kviraSi, miiRo<br />

gadawyvetileba mdinare broliswyalze<br />

axali, aranakleb 5 mgvt sim-<br />

Zlavris hesis aSenebis Sesaxeb (maT<br />

Soris, gamoica saqarTvelos prezidentis<br />

gankargulebac #04/06/02,<br />

2012 wlis 4 ivnisi).<br />

xdis xeobaSi hesis mSeneblobis<br />

proeqtTan dakavSirebiT samTavrobo<br />

uwyebebs gadawyvetilebis<br />

miReba orjer mouwiaT. 2013 wlis<br />

gazafxulze garemos dacvis saministros<br />

mier proeqtze ekologiuri<br />

eqspertizis uaryofiTi daskvna<br />

gaica, rasac am saministroze<br />

seriozuli zewola moyva premierministrisa<br />

da energetikis saministros<br />

mxridan. aseve, yovelgvari<br />

dasabuTebis gareSe, kompania `feris~<br />

gaugrZelda `yazbegi hesis~<br />

mSeneblobis Sesaxeb memorandumis<br />

moqmedebis vada, romelic dairRva<br />

uxarisxo garemoze zemoqmedebis<br />

Sefasebis angariSis momzadebis<br />

gamo mSeneblobis nebarTvis miuReblobiT~,<br />

_ weria organizaciis daskvnaSi.<br />

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goCa mircxulava<br />

599 26 83 83<br />

TbilisSi, petriaSvilis quCaze<br />

mdebare istoriuli Senoba `Rvinis qarxana #1-is~ sasamarTlo<br />

_ sistemis keTilsindisierebisa da biznesisadmi damok-<br />

idebulebis sazom testad iqca. saqme imdenad naTeli da,<br />

amavdroulad, CaxuWuWebulia, rom mis samarTlebriv das-<br />

rulebas ara mxolod sasamarTlo davaSi CarTuli mxareebi,<br />

aramed qarTuli biznesi da investorebic yuradRebiT akvirdebian.<br />

uzenaesi sasamarTlos mier Seqmnilma precedentma Sesa-<br />

Zloa, erTi xelis mosmiT daangrios keTilsindisieri myidve-<br />

lis cneba da mravalWirnaxuli da kataklizmebgamovlili<br />

qarTuli biznesi udidesi safrTxis winaSe daayenos.<br />

`qronika+~ agrZelebs Jurnalistur<br />

gamoZiebas da amjerad gTa-<br />

vazobT intervius `Rvinis qarxana<br />

#1-is~ advokat arCil TabagarTan:<br />

_ arCil, ratom aris es saqme<br />

ase rezonansuli da ratom uqm-<br />

nis safrTxes igi qarTul biznes-<br />

sa da samarTlebriv sistemas?<br />

_ saqme sasamarTlos sxvadasxva<br />

instanciaSia 2014 wlis dekembridan.<br />

anu TiTqmis xuTi welia, saqmes<br />

sasamarTlo ganixilavs da qonebas<br />

yadaRa adevs, es biznesisTvis damangrevelia.<br />

saapelacio sasamarTlom<br />

saqmis ganxilva 2019 wlis 19<br />

ivnisisTvis gadado, rodesac gasuli<br />

wlis seqtembridan yoveldRe<br />

velodebiT saboloo gadawyvetilebas.<br />

saapelacio sasamarTlo ukve<br />

meored ganixilavs am saqmes da<br />

mosamarTle qeTevan mesxiSvilma<br />

lamis detalurad icis saqmis<br />

yoveli niuansi.<br />

_ maSin ra aris saqmis gaWia-<br />

nurebis mizezi?<br />

_ ra iyo imis mizezi, rom pirvel<br />

instanciaSi gamotanili verdiqti<br />

da meore instanciis verdiqti<br />

absoluturad gaugonari motivaciiT<br />

ar gaiTvaliswina uzenaesma<br />

sasamarTlom da saqme kvlav saapelacios<br />

daubruna?<br />

_ gulisxmobT zewolas an gav-<br />

lenas?<br />

_ diax, maqvs amis varaudis<br />

safuZvliani eWvi. SeiZleba, biznesi<br />

xuTi weli davis procesSi amyofo,<br />

qoneba dauyadaRo, paralelurad<br />

aRiarebde, rom saqme gaqvs<br />

keTilsindisier mflobelTan da<br />

aWianurebde sasamarTlos erTaderTi<br />

motiviT _ daaTmobinon biznesi<br />

mepatrones?!<br />

_ aseTi moTxovna visgan iyo?<br />

_ maT arc daufaravT saubreb-<br />

Si, rom am obieqtSi wilobrivi<br />

monawileoba undaT. me vuTxari<br />

maT advokat arCil kbilaSvils,<br />

rom amaze saubari dauSvebeli iyo<br />

da es Tema mokvda.<br />

_ da...<br />

_ mxare, romelsac me warmovadgen,<br />

kategoriulad winaaRmdegia<br />

raime saxis garigebaze wasvlis. es<br />

pirebi sasamarTlos meSveobiT<br />

2015 wlis ianvridan yadaRis qveS<br />

amyofeben qarxanas. am xnis ganmavlobaSi<br />

yadaRis qveS kompaniis<br />

yofna, romelsac esaWiroeba mudmivi<br />

ganaxleba, reabilitacia, radganac<br />

es obieqti sakmaod Zvelia da<br />

didi kapitaldanaxarji sWirdeba,<br />

faqtobrivad, gausaZlisia. amis<br />

Sesaxeb saqmis kursSia yvela _ biznesombudsmenidan<br />

dawyebuli, sxva<br />

yvela instanciiT damTavrebuli<br />

da amis miuxedavad aranairi saSveli<br />

ar Cans.<br />

_ anu Seqmnil viTarebaze xe-<br />

lisufleba saqmis kursSia?<br />

_ diax, veravin ityvis, rom ar<br />

icoda qarxnis irgvliv mimdinare<br />

procesebis Sesaxeb araferi.<br />

_ da mainc, ra aris davis sa-<br />

gani?<br />

_ axlandelma mflobelebma<br />

aRniSnuli obieqti SeiZines 2013<br />

wlis martSi. 2013 wels Sps `art<br />

Rvinom~ fizikur pir vladimer<br />

kvaracxeliasgan 4 000 000 aSS<br />

dolarad iyida mis sakuTrebaSi<br />

arsebuli 100%-iani wili kompania<br />

Sps `katri kapitalSi~ (s/k:<br />

404401544). vladimer kvaracxelia<br />

mis kuTvnil kompania Sps `katri<br />

kapitalis~ meSveobiT sakuTrebaSi<br />

flobda Rvinis qarxnis teritoriis<br />

mxolod nawils, Tumca mTeli<br />

misi qoneba Cadebuli hqonda `Tibisi<br />

bankSi~. vladimer kvaracxelia<br />

am droisTvis ver axdenda kreditis<br />

dafarvas, aRniSnuli qoneba ki,<br />

praqtikulad, gadasuli iyo `Tibisi<br />

bankis~ srul gankargvaSi. amave<br />

wels Sps `art Rvinom~ `saqarTvelos<br />

bankisgan~, erT-erTi yvelaze<br />

stabiluri safinaso organizaciisgan,<br />

5 550000.00 larad gamoisyida<br />

qonebis meore naxevaric. 2014<br />

wlis dekemberSi Rvinis qarxnis SemZenis<br />

_ Sps `art Rvinos~ mimarT<br />

Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi<br />

daiwyo samoqalaqo dava. mosar-<br />

Cele _ saaqcio sazogadoeba `savane<br />

Rvinis #1 qarxana~. mis warmomadgenlad<br />

aRniSnul davaSi saqar-<br />

Tvelos yofili mTavari prokurori<br />

arCil kbilaSvili CaerTo.<br />

_ ramdenadac maxsovs, kbilaS-<br />

vils am Rvinis qarxanasTan, ufro<br />

sworad, mis yofil mflobelebTan,<br />

adrec hqonda profesiuli kav-<br />

Siri, Tu vcdebi?<br />

_ ara, ar cdebiT. rogorc irkveva<br />

da es CvenTvis sasamarTlo davis<br />

dros gaxda cnobili, 2004 wels<br />

qarxana gaiyida. gayida misma direqtorma<br />

vinme giorgi mgalobliSvilma.<br />

Semdeg aqcionerebma mas im<br />

motiviT uCivles, rom mas ar hqonia<br />

qarxnis gayidvis ufleba. prokuraturaSi<br />

sisxlis samarTlis<br />

saqme aRiZra. am saqmeSi mgalobli-<br />

Svilis advokati gaxldaT batoni<br />

arCil kbilaSvili, romelic maSin<br />

amtkicebda, rom mgalobliSvils<br />

kanoni ar daurRvevia da mis mier<br />

dadebuli garigeba kanonis farglebSi<br />

iyo. am saqmeze, ramdenadac<br />

vici, aTamde adamiani daakaves. mgalobliSvili<br />

ar daukavebiT, man ma-<br />

Sin qveyana datova, Tumca mis mimarT<br />

saqme ar Sewyvetila da samarTlebrivi<br />

devna mimdinareobda.<br />

_ es devna axlac grZeldeba?<br />

_ ara. 2013 wels, rodesac batoni<br />

arCil kbilaSvili mTavari<br />

prokurori gaxldaT, mgalobliSvilis<br />

winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis<br />

devna Sewyda.<br />

_ sainteresoa. da amaze ras<br />

ambobs batoni kbilaSvili?<br />

_ is acxadebs, rom prokuraturaSi<br />

uamravi saqme iyo da mgalobliSvilis<br />

mimarT ratom Sewyda<br />

devna, misTvis ucnobia.<br />

_ anu kargad gamarkvieT: kbilaSvili<br />

amtkicebda, rom mgalobliSvili<br />

damnaSave ar iyo da qone-<br />

ba gasxvisda kanonis farglebSi,<br />

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devna Sewyda da axla kbilaSvili<br />

acxadebs, rom mgalobliSvilis<br />

dros Cadenil iqna ukanono, mar-<br />

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araerTikurTan erTad, amoraluradac<br />

meCveneba, Tundac profe-<br />

siuli TvalsazrisiT.<br />

_ kbilaSvils aranairi pretenzia<br />

ar aqvs 2004-2006 wlebSi ss `savane<br />

_ Rvinis #1 qarxnis~ direq-<br />

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torebTan da aqcionerTa erT nawilTan,<br />

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amJamindeli mesakuTreebis<br />

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vvaraudob, baton kbilaSvils<br />

konkretuli amocana aqvs _ procesi<br />

gawelos im zomamde, rom keTilsindisier<br />

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Celem an wili gamostyuos, an<br />

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gansajon.<br />

_ Tvalaxveuli gasagebia, magram<br />

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lo kbilaSvilis dudukze cekvavs<br />

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`sasamarTlo<br />

sakuTar reputacias,<br />

biznessa da kerZo<br />

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qveS ayenebs~<br />

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_ anu Cven gavmarTldebodiT,<br />

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mflobelebs mosarCelem an wili gamostyuos,<br />

an daqancos samarTlebrivi daviT da uari<br />

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Tle, Tamar alania, Tamar zambaxiZe.<br />

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iyo Seswavlili pirvel da<br />

meore instanciaSi, rom masSi axlad<br />

aRmoCenili an sxva sadavo<br />

faqtobrivi garemoeba ar arsebobda.<br />

saqmis ukan dabruneba, Tan am<br />

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warmoudgeneli usamarTloba. Tu<br />

rame arasworad iyo Sefasebuli,<br />

uzenaes sasamarTlos SeeZlo, kanonis<br />

norma miesadagebina, romelsac<br />

marTebulad miiCnevda da dava<br />

daesrulebina.<br />

gagrZeleba me-17 gv.<br />

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`ocneba~ ki ar damarcxdeba,<br />

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rom `ocnebis~ sasamarTlo politikuri gas-<br />

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aris is WeSmariteba, romelsac alternativa ar aqvs imitom,<br />

rom es icis qarTvelma xalxma~.<br />

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_ komunistebTan paraleli<br />

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_ e. i., `ocneba~ msoflio politikis<br />

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_ am xalxis `Sefs~, romelic<br />

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ciebze agdebulad saubrobs da<br />

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is tyveobaSi arian?<br />

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_ amas `Sefi~ akeTebs da veravin<br />

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maSin sasamarTlo raRa Wirad ginda,<br />

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ikideb?<br />

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sasamarTlom unda miiRos da amitom<br />

sasamarTlo jibeSi unda hyavdes,<br />

anu jibis sasamarTlo unda<br />

hqondes, magram jer ar icis, ra<br />

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struqtura ar aris.<br />

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Tanamdebobis piri ar aris, romelic<br />

iniSneba. mosamarTle arCeviTia<br />

da, cxadia, Tu qveyanaSi situacia<br />

ise ganviTardeba, rom biZinas arseboba-ararseboba<br />

kiTxvis niSnis<br />

qveS dadgeba, pirveli, vinc mis<br />

winaaRmdeg maxvils awevs, swored<br />

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ivaniSvilma es ar icis da hgonia,<br />

rom Tu sasamarTlo jibeSi<br />

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poziciazea!<br />

_ ise, batono valeri, is adami-<br />

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bebSi gulwrfelebi arian?<br />

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kiTxva, romelsac biZina svams, mar-<br />

Talia, _ Svidi weli aq iyaviT da<br />

am Temaze ratom ar saubrobdiTo?<br />

es Tema, ra Tqma unda, kiTxvis niSnis<br />

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raRacam Seuwyo xeli.<br />

_ mainc, ram?<br />

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sami wlis winaTac videqiT da _<br />

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gaaqtiureba maSinac SeiZleboda,<br />

magram radgan dRes oponentur<br />

mdgomareobaSi arian, procesebis<br />

ganviTarebisTvis, ra Tqma unda,<br />

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iyvnen, vidre is, rom<br />

kritikis qveS moxvdnen da sazogadoebisTvis<br />

miuRebulebi gaxdnen!<br />

_ gamoricxavT, rom amboxeba<br />

`qarTul ocnebaSi~ ivaniSvilTan<br />

SeTanxmebiT daiwyo?<br />

_ diax, gamovricxav. Tavidan<br />

raRac moCvenebiTobis niSani hqonda,<br />

TamaSi xom ar ariso, magram<br />

12<br />

`ar vici, rogor avxsna, magram prezidenti<br />

zurabiSvili yoveldRe Zireul Secdomebs<br />

uSvebs. am Secdomebs nebismieri axali<br />

xelisufleba Zalian cudad Seufasebs da<br />

moRvaweobas impiCmentiT daasrulebs! rogorc<br />

Cans, Jvania yvelafer amas eubneboda, magram is<br />

ar ismenda an ver igebda. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />

Jvanias erCia, gascloda da is politikuri<br />

pasuxismgebloba ar aekidebina, romelic aseT<br />

dros politikosebs ekisrebaT xolme!~<br />

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aramed daixrCoba!~<br />

advilad ver SeZlebs!<br />

TviTon ivaniSvili is tipaJi ar<br />

aris, rom aseTi moCvenebebi iTama-<br />

Sos!<br />

_ erTi sityviT, is, rac `ocnebaSi~<br />

xdeba, Sida klanuri da-<br />

pirispireba da gavlenebisTvis<br />

brZolaa, Tu qveyanaze realuri<br />

zrunva?<br />

_ ufro ase mgonia: parlamentis<br />

Tavmjdomaris jgufma procesebze<br />

monopolia moindoma, ramac jer<br />

ukmayofileba gamoiwvia, Semdeg ki<br />

_ ganxeTqileba. amis Semdeg yvelafris<br />

mizezis Zebna daiwyes da<br />

saamisod sasamarTlos dakompleqtebis<br />

Tema mSvenivrad gamoadgaT.<br />

_ Tu mmarTvel gundSi dapir-<br />

ispireba am tempiT gagrZelda,<br />

`ocneba~ daiSleba?<br />

_ `ocneba~ formalurad inar-<br />

Cunebs Tavs, Torem arsobrivad ar<br />

arsebobs _ daSlilic aris, waSlilic<br />

da gadaSlilic! yovel SemTxvevaSi,<br />

is niSnebi, rac mmarTvel<br />

gunds unda hqondes, ar gaaCnia, radgan<br />

`ocneba~ politikuri organizacia<br />

ar aris! `ocnebas~ hyavs<br />

rTul ocnebas~ rame monawileoba<br />

mieRos _ am adamianebs wlebia, vicnob<br />

da maTi Sexedulebebic vici.<br />

es TamaSi namdvild ar aris, magram<br />

maT `nacionalur moZraobasTan~<br />

antagonisturi damokidebuleba<br />

aqvT. amis gamo opoziciis gaer-<br />

Tianebul formats ar uerTdebian,<br />

anu raxan opoziciisken ar xar,<br />

es TavisTavad tovebs STabeWdilebas,<br />

rom xelisuflebisken xar. amitom<br />

am eWvebis gasafantad xelisuflebis<br />

sawinaaRmdego aqciebia<br />

saWiro, raTa sazogadoeba<br />

daarwmunos, magram amas rogor<br />

SeZlebs, es ukve meore sakiTxia.<br />

asea Tu ise, rogori eWvic unda<br />

arsebobdes, es partia im bariers<br />

yovelTvis gadalaxavs, romelic<br />

saarCevnod aris dawesebuli.<br />

_ `daicavi saqarTveloc~ am<br />

konteqstSi unda ganvixiloT?<br />

_ ara, `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

sxvaze meti problema aqvs imitom,<br />

rom Tavidanve Zalian seriozuli<br />

eWvi gaCnda. amas garda, roca raRacebs<br />

ekiTxebian, maT pasuxSic Cans,<br />

rom, jerjerobiT, raRac TamaSi<br />

`qarTuli ocnebis~ interesebSia.<br />

amitom ufro meti Zalisxmeva<br />

dasWirdebaT, rom es eWvi gaaqarwylon.<br />

me Tu `qarTuli ocneba~ ar<br />

momwons, Sen ratom unda momwonde?<br />

_ imisTvis, rom `qarTul ocnebas~<br />

mxars uWer? piriqiT, Senc<br />

ar momwonxar, radgan raRac<br />

farisevlobasa da sicrues vxedav<br />

SenSi. Sesabamisad, am sicrueSi mxars<br />

ar dagiWer.<br />

_ e. i. xelisuflebis mcdelobis<br />

miuxedavad, rogorme radarebidan<br />

gaeqro, mTavari opozici-<br />

uri Zala mainc `nacionaluri<br />

moZraobaa~, ara?<br />

_ vxedavT, rom axal-axali<br />

politikuri Zalebi iqmneba. calcalke<br />

veravin SeZlebs, rom `nacionaluri<br />

moZraobis~ sapirwone<br />

gaxdes, magram Tu es axlad dafu-<br />

Znebuli politikuri Zalebi Se-<br />

Zleben, rom gaerTiandnen rogorc<br />

mesame Zala, maSin SesaZlebloba<br />

eqnebaT, rom barieric damoukideblad<br />

gadalaxon da politikaSi<br />

monawileobac miiRon.<br />

amis resursi imitom arsebobs,<br />

_ verc `ocnebis~ guls moi-<br />

gebs?<br />

_ ara, verc amas gaakeTebs imitom,<br />

rom amiT daiRupeba! `evropul<br />

saqarTvelos~ urCevnia, qronikuli<br />

opoziciuri yofiereba hqondes da<br />

iarsebos, vidre raRac SeRavaTi<br />

erTxel miiRos da amiT mTeli<br />

politikuri momavali daisamaros!<br />

_ ise, kuluarebSi arsebobs<br />

versia, rom `ocnebam~ xelisufle-<br />

ba SesaZloa, swored `evropul<br />

saqarTvelos~ gadaabaros.<br />

_ ara, aseTi versia ar arsebobs.<br />

ubralod, gamigia, baton biZinas<br />

sTavazoben, rom Tu `ocnebis~ rvawliani<br />

mmarTvelobis Semdeg xelisuflebis<br />

mandati opoziciam unda<br />

miiRos, es `nacionaluri moZraoba~<br />

ar unda iyos, magram `evropuli<br />

saqarTvelos~ wevrebi vin<br />

arian? ver vxedav, rom maT xalxis<br />

mxardaWera hqondeT.<br />

aqedan gamomdinare, am mimarTulebiT<br />

rogori mcdelobac unda<br />

iyos, sabolood, yvelaferi mainc<br />

qarTveli xalxis gadasawyv-<br />

aris, piriqiT, JvaniasTvis Rirseuli<br />

nabijia _ gverdiT ki daudga,<br />

magram prezidenti iseT nabijebs<br />

dgams, rom ar SeuZlia, misi partniori<br />

iyos!<br />

_ imasac amboben, zurabiSvili<br />

`ocnebas~ gaemijnao. amis Sesaxeb<br />

kuluarebidan rame gsmeniaT?<br />

_ rogorc meubnebian, zurabiSvili<br />

ki ar ganudga `ocnebas~, aramed<br />

biZina ganudga zurabiSvils _<br />

zurabiSvilma masTan SeuTanxmeblad<br />

somxeTSi viziti da raRac<br />

miRebebi gaakeTa. amaze biZina, rom<br />

ityvian, aijagra da zurabiSvilTan<br />

aRar kontaqtobs!<br />

_ es politikuri procesebi-<br />

sTvis kargia Tu cudi?<br />

_ xelisuflebaSi politikuri<br />

konkurencia sazogadoebisTvis yovelTvis<br />

kargia imitom, rom xelisuflebis<br />

warmomadgenlebi erTmaneTs<br />

akontroleben da kriWaSi udganan.<br />

es gamWvirvaleobasac ajansaRebs<br />

da demokratiasac, magram am<br />

brZolaSi salomes codna ramdenad<br />

`gaqaCavs~, rom jansaRi konkurencia<br />

dainergos, ar vici. man politikis<br />

araferi icis, anbanic ki.<br />

Jvanias rom daenaxa, salomes<br />

politikis raRac unari aqvso,<br />

iqidan ar wamovidoda.<br />

_ bolos, ritorikulad gkiTx-<br />

avT, batono valeri: gveSveleba<br />

rame?<br />

_ ratom ar gveSveleba? usaSvelo<br />

araferia! yvelafers Tavisi simwifis<br />

periodi aqvs da mgonia, rom<br />

`yvela gadawyvetileba,<br />

sabolood, sasamarTlom<br />

unda miiRos da amitom<br />

sasamarTlo jibeSi unda<br />

hyavdes, anu jibis<br />

sasamarTlo unda hqondes,<br />

magram jer ar icis, ra<br />

elis im SemTxvevaSi, roca<br />

igive sasamarTlo<br />

SesaZloa, im ubedurebis<br />

gamsamarTlebeli gaxdes,<br />

rac dRes xdeba~<br />

`Sefi~, romelic fiqrobs, rom es<br />

misi kantoraa da ara _ politikuri<br />

organizacia!<br />

_ batono valeri, aravin icis,<br />

`Sefi~ ras fiqrobs, magram Tqve-<br />

ni dakvirvebiT, yvelaferi es imas<br />

xom ar emsaxureba, rom `Sefma~<br />

situacia vadamdel arCevnebamde<br />

miiyvanos?<br />

_ ar aris gamoricxuli, biZina<br />

ivaniSvili daarwmunon, rom arCevnebis<br />

Catareba axla jobia, vidre<br />

_ momaval wels, radgan momaval<br />

wels xelisuflebas ufro meti<br />

problema eqneba. dRes `ocnebas~,<br />

bunebrivia, ukeTesi mdgomareoba<br />

aqvs.<br />

_ e. i. vadamdeli rom dainiS-<br />

nos, `ocneba~ gamarjvebas SeZlebs<br />

da xelisuflebas SeinarCunebs?<br />

_ gamarjvebas ki ara, poziciis<br />

SenarCunebas SeZlebs, anu, albaT,<br />

koaliciur mTavrobas Seqmnis.<br />

_ koalicia visTan SeiZleba<br />

Seqmnas?<br />

_ magaliTad, `patriotTa aliansTan~.<br />

yovel SemTxvevaSi, vxedav,<br />

rom parlamentSi maTi umravlesobad<br />

Camoyalibeba mSvenivrad Sei-<br />

Zleba.<br />

_ arada, 4 maiss `patriotebi~<br />

antisaxelisuflebo aqciebs iwye-<br />

ben.<br />

_ aqciebs imitom iwyeben, rom<br />

sazogadoebis samizneSi moxvdnen _<br />

gaCnda eWvi, rom biZinas xelisuflebis<br />

gadasarCenad TanamSromloben.<br />

amitom es eWvi rom gamoiricxos,<br />

aqciebia saWiro, Tumca piradad<br />

me ar mgonia, rom am politikuri<br />

organizaciis SeqmnaSi `qa-<br />

da finansuri uzrunvelyofa arsebobs.<br />

yovel SemTxvevaSi, aseTi<br />

STabeWdileba rCeba. yvelafer amis<br />

damtkiceba an uaryofa Tavad moundebaT,<br />

anu biZina ivaniSvilis mimarT<br />

kritikas eridebian da ratomac<br />

eridebian, albaT, gasagebia.<br />

adamianma ivaniSvilTan rogori<br />

garigebac unda dados, im TamaSis<br />

wesebs ar iRebs, roca akritikeben,<br />

lanZRaven da agineben!<br />

kidev erTi sakiTxi: roca ekiTxebian,<br />

Tu parlamentSi moxvdebiT,<br />

aseT dros koaliciaSi SexvalT Tu<br />

arao? isini pasuxoben, _ `nacionaluri<br />

moZraobis~ garda koalicia-<br />

Si yvelasTan SevalTo. es `yvela~<br />

vin aris? dRes `yvela~ aRar arsebobs,<br />

anu es xalxi winaswar ambobs,<br />

Tu parlamentSi Seval, `qarTul<br />

ocnebasTan~ viqnebio. es ki imas ni-<br />

Snavs, rom am moZraobis arseboba<br />

N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04-06.05.2019 w.<br />

rom sazogadoebis nawili arc `nacionalur<br />

moZraobas~ uWers mxars<br />

da arc _ `qarTul ocnebas~, magram<br />

am politikuri Zalebis formirebis<br />

procesi ar dasrulebula.<br />

_ mTel am konfiguraciaSi<br />

`evropuli saqarTvelo~ xom ar<br />

Seitans gardatexas?<br />

_ ara, `evropul saqarTvelos~<br />

iseTi eleqtorati ar hyavs,<br />

romelmac politikur procesebSi<br />

gardatexa unda Seitanos.<br />

_ SeiZleba, magram saqme saqmeze<br />

rom midges, `evropuli saqarTvelo~<br />

`qarTuli ocnebis~ poli-<br />

tikur TamaSs xom ar daiwyebs?<br />

_ es azri bevrgan momismenia,<br />

magram `evropuli saqarTveloc~<br />

`nacionaluri moZraoba~, anu warsulis<br />

gadmonaSTia. mas reabilitaciisTvis<br />

wlebi sWirdeba. is qarTveli<br />

xalxis gulis mogebas ase<br />

etia. ase advili ar aris, rom xalxma<br />

bokeria daisvas.<br />

_ kidev erTi Tema, batono<br />

valeri: am dReebSi Tanamdeboba<br />

prezidentis administraciis uf-<br />

rosma laSa Jvaniam datova. prez-<br />

identis karzec ganxeTqilebaa?<br />

_ laSa Jvania gamocdili<br />

kadria.<br />

_ diax, magram es ra SuaSia?<br />

_ is ministric iyo, diplomatic<br />

da opoziciac, anu qarTuli<br />

politikis yvela safexuri gaiara.<br />

laSa JvaniasTvis politika iseTi<br />

anbani aRar aris, romelic unda iswavlos<br />

_ icis, ras ra mosdevs.<br />

ar vici, rogor avxsna, magram<br />

prezidenti zurabiSvili yoveldRe<br />

Zireul Secdomebs uSvebs. am<br />

Secdomebs nebismieri axali xelisufleba<br />

Zalian cudad Seufasebs<br />

da moRvaweobas impiCmentiT<br />

daasrulebs!<br />

rogorc Cans, Jvania yvelafer<br />

amas eubneboda, magram is ar ismenda<br />

an ver igebda. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />

Jvanias erCia, gascloda da is<br />

politikuri pasuxismgebloba ar<br />

aekidebina, romelic aseT dros<br />

politikosebs ekisrebaT xolme!<br />

es gadawyvetileba tragedia ar<br />

es procesic momwifebas ucdis da<br />

cotaRa darCa, saboloo nayofi rom<br />

miviRoT! es cota dro, rac darCenilia,<br />

`qarTuli ocnebis~ wisqvilze<br />

namdvild ar asxams wyals.<br />

_ mesmis, magram am socialur<br />

gaWirvebas xalxi rodemde ga-<br />

uZlebs?<br />

_ xalxi iZulebuli gaxdeba,<br />

rom gadarCenisTvis brZola daiwyos!<br />

rogorc ki opoziciis gaer-<br />

Tianeba daiwyeba, quCis procesebs<br />

gadamwyveti mniSvneloba eqneba _<br />

maSin vnaxavT, xalxs vis mimarT ra<br />

damokidebuleba aqvs.<br />

mokled, mgonia, rom qveynis<br />

beds arCevnebi ki ara, quCa gadawyvets!<br />

_ mSvidobian revolucias elo-<br />

debiT?<br />

_ Tu xelisuflebam Tofi aiRo,<br />

maSin amas TviTon gadahyveba!<br />

`ocneba~ politikuri gundi ar aris, romelsac<br />

mkveTri orientacia, mimarTuleba da calsaxa<br />

ideologia aqvs. `ocneba~ raRacis kompilacia,<br />

anu Sexedulebebis mixedviT Sekrebili<br />

adamianebis gundi ki ara, ufro krebaa, sadac<br />

Riad amboben, Cveni Sefis morCilebi varTo~<br />

_ quCis aqciebs rodisTvis<br />

varaudobT?<br />

_ es SeiZleba, welsve iyos. yovel<br />

SemTxvevaSi, velodebi, rom Semodgoma<br />

mZime da sakmaod daZabuli<br />

iqneba. imas vnaxavT, rac bevrjer<br />

gvinaxavs!<br />

saerTod, yvelaferi, rac winaaRmdegobiT<br />

moipoveba, kargia!<br />

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pankisSi ganviTarebul movle-<br />

nebTan dakavSirebiT mediasa da<br />

socialur qselebSi araerTi mosazreba<br />

gamoiTqva. `qronika+~ gTa-<br />

vazobT intervius JurnalistTan<br />

da analitikos daTo gamcemliZesTan,<br />

romelic miiCnevs, rom `he-<br />

sis mSenebloba~ sababi iyo qarT-<br />

uli saxelmwifos dasamcireblad.<br />

_ mxolod hesis mSeneblobis<br />

gamo daiZaba viTareba pankisSi da<br />

es dapirispireba moxda, Tu sxva<br />

mizezebic aris?<br />

_ hesis mSenebloba mxolod sababia.<br />

is, rac pankisis xeobaSi moxda,<br />

aris amJamindeli xelisuflebis<br />

TvalsaCino, yvelaze didi marcxi<br />

2012 wlis Semdeg. araferi ise<br />

ar anadgurebs mmarTvel gunds,<br />

rogorc sajarod, xilulad gamoCenili<br />

dabneuloba da sisuste. 2012<br />

wels saakaSvilis mTavroba damarcxda<br />

ara uSualod `cixis kadrebis~<br />

gamo, aramed imis Sedegad, rom<br />

am videokadrTa gamoqveynebis Semdeg<br />

igi aSkarad daibna da sisuste<br />

gamoiCina xalxis TvalSi.<br />

bunebrivia, am SemTxvevaSi `ocnebis~<br />

xelisuflebam gamaognebeli<br />

araprofesionalizmi, gauTvleloba<br />

da arakompetenturoba gamoamJRavna,<br />

magram bevrad samwuxaro,<br />

arsebiTi da mniSvnelovani isaa,<br />

rom ara mxolod konkretuli<br />

mTavroba damarcxda, aramed damarcxda<br />

saqarTvelos saxelmwifoc!<br />

_ Zalian mkacri Sefasebaa, ras<br />

gulisxmob?<br />

_ aRmoCnda, rom saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifos suvereniteti ar vrceldeba<br />

qveynis kidev erT teritoriaze!<br />

mecnierebi Sua saukuneebidan<br />

msjeloben da kamaToben imaze, ra<br />

aris suvereniteti. Cemi azriT, yvelaze<br />

zusti formula Semdegia:<br />

`suvereniteti aris xelisuflebisa<br />

da Zalauflebis erToba qveynis<br />

mTel teritoriaze~. anu suvereniteti<br />

aris saxelmwifos unari,<br />

qveynis teritoriaze nebismier SemTxvevaSi<br />

ganaxorcielos Zalaufleba,<br />

e. i. SeinarCunos saxelmwifos<br />

mTavari Tviseba: `monopolia<br />

Zalaze~.<br />

es imas niSnavs, rom saxelmwifom<br />

Tu miiRo gadawyvetileba, man es<br />

gadawyvetileba aucileblad unda<br />

ganaxorcielos. Tu ver axorcielebs,<br />

Tu masTan dapirispirebuli<br />

Zala ufro `Ronieri~ aRmo-<br />

Cnda, sajarod daamcira da daCagra,<br />

es saxelmwifo aRar aris!<br />

zogierTs parizis movlenebi<br />

mohyavs magaliTad: `ra moxda mere<br />

_ ai, naxeT, iqac xdeba Setakebebi<br />

policiasa da demonstrantebs<br />

Soris, orive mxridan arian daSavebulni,<br />

zogjer policia ukanac<br />

ixevs da a. S~.<br />

_ realurad xom asea, sa-<br />

frangeTis xelisuflebam ukve<br />

ramdeni xania, veraferi mouxerxa<br />

`yviTel Jiletebs~...<br />

_ ara, batono, is rac pankisSi<br />

moxda, Cven Tvalwin, sul sxvaa da<br />

ai, ratom: frangi `yviTeli Jiletebi~<br />

amJamad boboqar protests<br />

gamoTqvamen imis gamo, rom miliardi<br />

evro gamoiyo `RvTismSoblis<br />

taZris~ aRsadgenad maSin, roca<br />

`uamravi adamiani SimSilobs, usaxlkarodaa~<br />

da a. S. protestis gamosaxatavad<br />

isini awyoben demonstraciebs,<br />

arbeven maRaziebs, qvebs<br />

esvrian policias, iyeneben `molo-<br />

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`maTi mizani iyo saqarTvelos<br />

ara misi araprofesionaluri, gau<br />

armaz metreveli<br />

tovis koqteilebs~, policiac iyenebs<br />

Zalas da a. S.<br />

magram, aba, erTi gabedon am<br />

`yviTelma Jiletebma~ da fizikuri<br />

ZaliT scadon, xeli SeuSalon saxelmwifos<br />

gadawyvetilebas, aRadginos<br />

taZari, anu alya Seamoartyan<br />

notr-dams, ar SeuSvan iq restavratorebi<br />

da a. S.<br />

garwmunebT, am SemTxvevaSi safrangeTis<br />

saxelmwifo mTel mis<br />

suverenul Zlevamosilebas gamoiyenebs,<br />

raTa ar dauSvas saxelmwifoebrivi<br />

umweobis demonstrireba,<br />

misi rogorc saxelmwifos<br />

damcireba da uZlurebis sajaro<br />

dadasrtureba, miRebuli gadawyvetilebis<br />

sajarod verSesruleba<br />

uRonobis gamo, anu, mTlianoba-<br />

Si, suverenitetis darRveva. ukve<br />

miRebuli gadawyvetilebis `verSesruleba~<br />

aris saxelmwifoebriobis<br />

ngrevis dasawyisi da suverenitetis<br />

eliminacia, radgan mecnierebi<br />

imaze ki msjeloben dRemde,<br />

Tu ra aris suvereniteti, magram<br />

erTze arian SeTanxmebulni:<br />

`sanaxevro~ an `nawilobrivi~ suvereniteti<br />

ar arsebobs. suvereniteti<br />

an arsebobs mTlianad, ganuyoflad,<br />

an ar arsebobs mTlianad~.<br />

es aris misi arsi.<br />

zustad am mizans, anu saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba-dabeCavebas,<br />

misi suverenitetis<br />

SebRalvas isaxavdnen miznad<br />

pankisis xeobaSi dabudebuli antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />

Zalebi, romlebic<br />

xeobaSi myof mSvidobian mosaxleobas,<br />

maT Soris, loialur,<br />

patriot moqalaqeebs iyeneben `cocxal<br />

masalad~ antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />

miznis gansaxorcieleblad.<br />

ra Tqma unda, es Zalebi moqmedebdnen<br />

kadirovis CeCneTisa da maSasadame<br />

ruseTis `zurgiT~.<br />

vimeoreb: maTi mizani iyo saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifos sajarod<br />

damcireba, misi sajarod, Tvalsa-<br />

Cinod damarcxeba am regionSi, sajarod,<br />

demonstraciulad abuCad<br />

agdeba. xolo `hesis mSenebloba~,<br />

mxolod da mxolod, sababia. ar<br />

iqneboda `hesi~? _ sxva sababs ipovidnen.<br />

adre Tu gvian, aucileblad<br />

ipovidnen, raki am ZalTa mizani<br />

iyo saqarTvelos saxelmwifos,<br />

rogorc aseTis, dasja misi<br />

damcireba-abuCad agdebiT.<br />

samwuxarod, am borot mizans<br />

antisaxelmwifoebrivma Zalebma<br />

srulad miaRwies: saqarTvelos saxelmwifo<br />

sajarod daamcires, abuCad<br />

aigdes, am teritoriaze misi<br />

suverenitetis ararseboba daadastures.<br />

_ faqtia, rom saxelmwifom, am<br />

SemTxvevaSi, policiam, ar gamoiy-<br />

ena mTeli Tavisi Zala...<br />

_ rac Seexeba am mosazrebas,<br />

rom `saqarTvelos saxelmwifom ar<br />

gamoiyena mTeli Tavisi Zala, Tor-<br />

_ iqneb, daakonkreto, ras<br />

gulisxmob?<br />

_ ratomRac, yvelas `daaviwyda~,<br />

rom pankisis xeoba swored is regionia,<br />

sadac arsebobs `politikuri<br />

islamis~, `religiuri fanatizmis~,<br />

`vahabizmisa~ da `salafizmis~<br />

ukiduresad radikaluri mimarTulebebis<br />

Zalze seriozuli<br />

problema; aseve yvelas `daaviwyda~,<br />

rom am regionidan uamravi<br />

eqstremisti gaemgzavra Savbneli<br />

`islamuri saxelmwifos~ droSis<br />

qveS saomrad. am mxriv, lamis, msoflio<br />

liderebi arian da im teroristuli<br />

`saxelmwifos~ Zalismieri<br />

`stafic~ daakompleqtes `Tavdacvis<br />

ministridan~ dawyebuli;<br />

yvelas `daaviwyda~, rom pankisis<br />

xeoba, arc Tu ise didi xnis win,<br />

CeCnuri samoqalaqo separatizmis<br />

erT-erTi centri iyo da iq jer<br />

kidev ruslan gilaevis epoqidan _<br />

frTxilad vityvi _ aRuricxavi<br />

iaraRis problemac arsebobs; aseve<br />

aravin miaqcia yuradReba, rom<br />

rodesac CeCnurma samoqalaqo separatizmma,<br />

ramzan kadirovis saxiT,<br />

miaRwia istoriul kompromiss kremlTan<br />

da mis `Cafrad~ iqca (gavixsenoT,<br />

ramdeni CeCeni ibrZoda<br />

donbasze ukrainis winaaRmdeg), es<br />

kompromisi pankisis xeobasac exeboda,<br />

anu pankiseli elitebic SeuerTnen<br />

am putin-kadirovis istoriul<br />

kompromiss da ramzan kadirovis,<br />

maSasadame, kremlis loialurni<br />

gaxdnen.<br />

groznosa da moskovSi ki yuradRebiT<br />

adevnebdnen Tvalyurs<br />

procesebs. adgilobriv mosaxleobas,<br />

adamianuri da sxva kontaqtebis<br />

TvalsazrisiT, CeCneTTan, e. i.<br />

ruseTTan, ufro mWidro kontaqti<br />

aqvs, vidre danarCen saqarTve-<br />

daTo gamcemliZe:<br />

`ar iqneboda `hesi~?<br />

_ sxva sababs<br />

ipovidnen. adre Tu<br />

gvian, aucileblad<br />

ipovidnen...~<br />

`zustad am mizans, anu saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba-dabeCavebas,<br />

misi suverenitetis SebRalvas isaxavdnen<br />

miznad pankisis xeobaSi dabudebuli<br />

antisaxelmwifoebrivi Zalebi, romlebic<br />

xeobaSi myof mSvidobian mosaxleobas, maT<br />

Soris, loialur, patriot moqalaqeebs<br />

iyeneben `cocxal masalad~<br />

antisaxelmwifoebrivi miznis<br />

gansaxorcieleblad. ra Tqma unda, es Zalebi<br />

moqmedebdnen kadirovis CeCneTisa da<br />

maSasadame ruseTis `zurgiT~<br />

em...~ _ es Cven ar viciT: Tu saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifo met Zalas<br />

gamoiyenebda, maSin mowinaaRmdege<br />

antisaxelmwifoebriv Zalebsac Se-<br />

ZloT, `meti Zala~ gamoeyenebinaT.<br />

aki gviTxres pirdapir eTerSi: Tu<br />

rezinis tyviebis srolas ganagr-<br />

Zoben, qvebis nacvlad SeiZleba,<br />

Cvengan sxva ramec wamovideso.<br />

anu vimeoreb, _ Cven ar viciT,<br />

SeZlebda Tu ara saqarTvelos saxelmwifo<br />

Tavisi suverenitetis<br />

ganxorcielebas, e. i. miRebuli<br />

gadawyvetilebis ganxorcielebas<br />

Tu met Zalas gamoiyenebda, radgan<br />

`met Zalas~ SeiZleba `meti<br />

Zala~ dapirispireboda, rogorc<br />

dagvemuqren.<br />

_ anu ra xdeba?<br />

_ dRevandeli mdgomareobiT<br />

Cven zustad mxolod is viciT, rac<br />

TvalnaTliv vnaxeT: saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifom miiRo gadawyvetileba<br />

da am gadawyvetilebis aRsruleba<br />

fizikurad ver SeZlo, raki<br />

Zala ar eyo! morCa! es imas niSnavs,<br />

rom iq saqarTvelos suvereniteti<br />

ar vrceldeba.<br />

_ sruliad legitimuria dRev-<br />

andeli mTavrobis kritika: rom<br />

ara misi araprofesionaluri, gau-<br />

Tvleli, arakompetenturi qmedebebi,<br />

e. i., rom ara mcdeloba, ae-<br />

Senebina hesi, arc araferi moxde-<br />

boda...<br />

_ ki batono, magram amiT arsi<br />

ar icvleba: ubralod, sajarod ar<br />

dadasturdeboda is, rac am movlenebis<br />

Sedegad `gamoCnda~ da Cven<br />

ase TvalsaCinod, ase TvalanTliv<br />

ver davinaxavdiT sazarel realobas:<br />

am teritoriaze saqarTvelos<br />

suvereniteti ar vrceldeba. Sesabamisad,<br />

iurisdiqciac vrceldeba,<br />

mxolod da mxolod, imdenad, ramdenadac<br />

mas, jerjerobiT, `nebas<br />

rTaven~ xsenebuli antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />

Zalebi, romlebic adgilobriv<br />

mSvidobian mosaxleobas<br />

`iyeneben~. vTqvaT ase _ `politkoreqtulad~,<br />

`hesi~ ki namdvilad sababia<br />

da ara _ mizezi. miT umetes<br />

mizani.<br />

_ pankisTan da ganviTarebul<br />

movlenebTan dakavSirebiT gaisma:<br />

ruseTi, ruseTumeebi. ramdenad<br />

realuria ruseTis interesebi<br />

xeobaSi?<br />

_ xsenebuli gegmis, e. i.<br />

saqarTvelos saxelmwifos sajarod<br />

dasamcireblad, saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifoze Suris saZieblad, antisaxelmwifoebriv<br />

Zalebs pankisis<br />

xeobaSi aucileblad sWirdebodaT<br />

da rogorc yovelTvis,<br />

brwyinvaled gamoiyenes Cveneburi<br />

`sasargeblo idiotebi~. zogadad,<br />

`sasargeblo idiotTa~ legioni,<br />

romelic saqarTveloSi, tradiciulad,<br />

Zalze mravalricxovania, am<br />

qveynis yvelaze didi ubedurebaa<br />

damoukideblobis dRidan _ dRemde.<br />

zogierT komentars rom vusmen,<br />

amaSi sabolood vrwmundebi.<br />

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losTan.<br />

swored amitom sjobda, mTavrobas<br />

es garemoebebi gaeTvaliswinebina,<br />

daemala samarcxvino realoba<br />

da arc ki ecada gadawyvetilebis<br />

ganxorcieleba iq, sadac saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifos suvereniteti,<br />

rogorc aRmoCnda, ar vrceldeba.<br />

amiT ar Seeqmna saxifaTo<br />

sababi gareSe CarevisTvis. aTasobiT<br />

`boeviki~ kadirovs saamisod<br />

mzad hyavs.<br />

_ CvenTvis cnobilia, da axsene<br />

kidec, rom araerTi pankiseli<br />

monawileobda siriaSi mimdinare<br />

procesebSi. aris Tu ara SesaZle-<br />

beli, `dabrunebulebs~ hqondeT<br />

raime saxis interesebi da ra sax-<br />

is SeiZleba iyos es interesi?<br />

_ zemoT vTqvi, antisaxelmwifoebriv<br />

Zalebs `saqarTvelos saxelmwifos<br />

dasja~ undodaT-meTqi<br />

misi sajarod damcireba-SeuracxyofiT<br />

da suverenitetis dangreviT.<br />

bunebrivia, gaCndeba kiTxva:<br />

ratom? riT arian ukmayofilo?<br />

_ ho, sruliad gulwrfeli<br />

kiTxvaa, _ ratom?<br />

_ pirvel rigSi, swored imiT<br />

arian ukmayofiloni, rom saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifo xels uSlis<br />

siria-eraySi samarTlianad Cakluli<br />

`islamuri saxelmwifodan~<br />

ukan, pankisis xeobaSi `boevikebis~<br />

Tavisufal, usafrTxo, dausjel<br />

dabrunebas; apatimrebs TviT xeobaSi<br />

`islamuri saxelmwifos~ mimdevrebs,<br />

aviwroebs kriminalebs,<br />

romlebic arcTu ise didi xnis win<br />

Tbilisidan itacebdnen biznesmenebs<br />

gamosasyidis moTxovniT; cdi-<br />

lobs, gaakontrolos kontaqtebi<br />

kadirovis CeCneTTan saqarTvelos<br />

danarCeni teritoriis, maT Soris,<br />

saqarTvelos samxedro gzis gavliT<br />

_ zamTrobiT da a. S.<br />

bunebrivia, didi roli Seasrula<br />

2017 wlis tragediam, rodesac<br />

qarTveli specrazmelis gasrolas<br />

pankisSi specoperaciisas, axalgazrdis<br />

sikvdili moyva. xolo TviT<br />

es specoperacia panskisSi ramdenime<br />

kviriT adre, Tbilisis Rarib-<br />

Ratak, magram mSvidobian raionSi<br />

mowyobil sasaklaos moyva, rodesac<br />

fanatikosebma miiCnies, rom<br />

momavali SurisZiebis SiSiT, saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifo ver gabedavda,<br />

maTTvis TbilisSi xeli exlo,<br />

miuxedavad saerTaSoriso valdebulebebisa.<br />

ai, am ukmayofilebam gadmoxeTqa<br />

bolo movlenebSi da samwuxarod,<br />

gamouvidaT saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifos dasja misi sajaro<br />

damcirebiT!<br />

`hesi~ mxolod, `sababia~ _ erTgvari<br />

`kazus belli~.<br />

_ cxadia, rom pankisi denTis<br />

kasric aris. iyo periodi, rodesac<br />

xelisufleba verc ki akon-<br />

trolebda am regions da Tundac<br />

CrdiloeTidan momdinare muqarebi<br />

im droisTvis mizezad aq arse-<br />

bul teroristebs asaxelebda.<br />

ramdenad aris SesaZlebeli ara<br />

mxolod muqarebis ganmeoreba,<br />

aramed amJamad wynari regionis<br />

isev areva?<br />

_ es regioni `wynari~ iyo imdenad,<br />

ramdenadac `wynaria~ denTis<br />

kasri. yvelaferi SesaZlebelia, Tu<br />

xelisufleba met profesionalizmsa<br />

da kompetenturobas ar gamoamJRavnebs.<br />

problemis misaCumaTeblad<br />

`mglis Tavze saxarebis<br />

kiTxva~, `meti komfortis~ Seqmna,<br />

miuxedavad `sasargeblo idiotTa~<br />

gavrcelebuli azrisa, problemas<br />

ki ar Seamsubuqebs, aramed, piriqiT,<br />

daamZimebs da antisaxelmwifoebrivi<br />

intenciis Zalebs kidev<br />

ufro gaaTavxedebs. strategia ara<br />

`meti komforti~, aramed `naklebi<br />

komforti~ unda iyos yvela Tval-<br />

saxelmwifos sajarod damcireba~<br />

sazrisiT. gamgebi gaigebs, rasac<br />

vgulisxmob. sxvebisTvis axsnas<br />

azri ar aqvs. isini darCebian `sasargeblo<br />

idiotebis~ mdgomareoba-<br />

Si. kacobriobis istoriam ki daamtkica,<br />

rom es ar ikurneba.<br />

_ cxadia, rom xelisuflebebi<br />

ara mxolod am sakiTxze, aramed<br />

uamrav sxva sakiTxze ver axerxebs<br />

interaqcias xalxTan. ramdenad<br />

azianebs es viTareba mTlianad xe-<br />

lisuflebas da saxelmwifoebriv<br />

procesebs?<br />

_ ara `pasportiT~, aramed `guliT~<br />

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebTan<br />

interaqcia SesaZlebelia. magram<br />

SeuZlebelia interaqcia im antisaxelmwifoebriv<br />

ZalebTan, romlebic<br />

ara saqarTveloze, aramed<br />

sxva qveynis regionze arian orientirebulni,<br />

ucxo qveynidan imar-<br />

Tebian da visTvisac `hesi~ mxolod<br />

sababi iyo, xolo realuri intencia<br />

_ antiqarTuli boRmis gadmonTxeva,<br />

saqarTvelos saxelmwifos<br />

damarcxeba misi sajaro damcirebiT.<br />

politkoreqtuloba ki moiTxovs,<br />

magram Tavs nu movityuebT.<br />

_ weliwadze metia, xelisufl-<br />

ebas mZime tvirTad awevs Temir-<br />

lan maCalikaSvilis saqme. ramdenad<br />

sasargebloa xelisufleb-<br />

isTvis ase damokles maxviliviT<br />

dakidebuli saqme da ra aris<br />

saukeTeso gamosavali?<br />

_ am saqmidan araTu `saukeTeso~,<br />

aramed `kargi~ gamosavali ar<br />

arsebobs, radgan `gamosavlad~ namdvilad<br />

ver CaiTvleba im specrazmelze<br />

`xelis Sewmenda~, misi saxelisa<br />

da gvaris gamoqveyneba, anu<br />

samizned qceva, vinc is sabediswero<br />

gasrola ganaxorciela.<br />

opozicia dRes ramdensac ar<br />

unda yvirodes, eWvi mepareba, saqarTvelos<br />

nebismierma axalma mTavrobam<br />

an axalma xelisuflebam gabedos<br />

mTavari moTxovnis Sesruleba<br />

da im specrazmelis saxelisa<br />

da gvaris gamoqveyneba, vinc gasrola<br />

ganaxorciela.<br />

_ dabolos, ramdenad aris<br />

SesaZlebeli pankisis movlenebis<br />

rezonireba an misi qvecnobierSi<br />

daleqva _ Senaxva sasurvel drom-<br />

de, Tundac kavkasionis gadaRma?<br />

_ samwuxarod, ukve gaakeTes Tavisi<br />

gasakeTebeli: moaxdines imis<br />

demonstrireba, rom im regionSi<br />

saqarTvelos suvereniteti ar vrceldeba.<br />

iurisdiqciac vrceldeba<br />

mxolod nawilobriv da `garkveul<br />

dromde~... sanam nebas rTaven<br />

da sWirdebaT. ai, es realoba `dafiqsirda~,<br />

xolo masobriv qvecnobierSi<br />

is `daileqa~, rom saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifos, rame rom iyos,<br />

iolad daCagraven.<br />

rasakvirvelia, vlaparakob, antisaxelmwifoebriv<br />

Zalebze da ara<br />

pankisis mTel mosaxleobaze _ miyvars<br />

politkoreqtuloba. Tumca,<br />

rogorc aRmoCnda, swored es Zalebi<br />

akontroleben iq bevr rames<br />

da `qmnian aminds~.<br />

maTi gavlenis realuri moSoreba-amoSanTva<br />

da suverenitetis aRdgena<br />

`komfortis SemcirebiT~ da<br />

ara `komfortis gazrdiT~ saqar-<br />

Tvelos saxelmwifos grZelvadiani<br />

amocanaa.<br />

me-11 gverdidan<br />

- magram amas ver izamda, amitom, savaraudod,<br />

radgan uzenaes sasamarTlos mouwevda,<br />

ZalaSi daetovebina qveda instanciebis<br />

gadawyvetileba, rac ar Sedioda batoni kbilaSvilisa<br />

da mosarCele mxaris intereseb-<br />

Si, maT saqmis gawelvisa da bizensisTvis damatebiTi<br />

zianis miyenebis gadawyvetileba miiRes.<br />

am etapze imis Tqma SeiZleba, rom batoni<br />

kbilaSvilisa da uzenaesi sasamarTlos-<br />

Tvis sakuTrebis keTilsindisieri SeZena da<br />

floba arafers niSnavs, roca maT interesebsa<br />

Tu gavlenis qveS moqcevazea saubari.<br />

vimeoreb: SeuZlebeli gaxldaT, es saqme uzenaesi<br />

sasamarTlodan ise dabrunebuliyo,<br />

rom seriozuli Careva ar momxdariyo.<br />

_ ramdenadac vxvdebi, uzenaesi sasa-<br />

marTlo, samarTlebrivad, sakmaod uxeSi<br />

precedentis avtori xdeba?<br />

_ saqme mxolod daabruna da amis gamo es<br />

msubuqi Sefasebaa. uzenaesma sasamarTlom<br />

bizness miutevebeli dartyma miayena. 2004<br />

wlidan dRemde am obieqtze 30-mde uZravi<br />

qonebis gasxvisebis tranzaqcia moxda. axla<br />

Tqven warmoidgineT mocemuloba, rom yidulobT<br />

uZrav qonebas, mere modis aTi wlis<br />

winandeli mesakuTre da geubnebaT, _ marTalia,<br />

TqvenTan ar mqonia urTierToba, magram<br />

aTi wlis win viRacam me damazarala da amis<br />

gamo qoneba unda damibrunoT. Tan im garigebaze<br />

aris xelmowera. es yvelaferi moxda<br />

xelSekrulebebiT da yovelma Semdgoma<br />

mesakuTrem saTanadod ixeira. aq ar gvaqvs<br />

mocemuloba, rodesac viRacam uari Tqva<br />

sakuTrebaze, aramed yvela gayidva nebayoflobiT<br />

moxda. axla viRacas is fasi ar moswons,<br />

radac gayida da mas unda daubrundes<br />

qoneba? mxolod Cven konkretul tranzaqciaSi<br />

_ SeZenaSi, biujetSi 1 milioni gvaqvs<br />

gadaxdili. anu, ra gamodis, biujetis CaTvliT<br />

yvelam sargebeli naxa da, Turme, axlandelma<br />

mesakuTrem qoneba unda daubrunos<br />

imas, visganac igi ar SeuZenia da aranairi<br />

Semxebloba ar hqonia?<br />

_ e. i. uzenaesma sasamarTlom biznesi<br />

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arCil Tabagari:<br />

`sasamarTlo sakuTar<br />

reputacias, biznessa da<br />

kerZo sakuTrebas<br />

safrTxis qveS ayenebs~<br />

safrTxis qveS daayena?<br />

_ diax da Tqva, rom bizness aranairad<br />

ar daicavs sajaro reestris mier gacemuli<br />

amonaweri.<br />

_ saqmeSi `saqarTvelos banki~ CarTuli<br />

gyavT?<br />

_ diax da gaognebulni arian. isinic,<br />

Tavis mxriv, keTilsindisieri myidvelebi<br />

iyvnen, magram uzenaesi sasamarTlos mimarT<br />

biznesis mTavari pretenzia is gaxlavT,<br />

rom man ar gadawyvita biznesdava. ar Sei-<br />

Zleba, sasamarTlom amdeni xani amyofos<br />

biznesi davaSi, radgan dro biznesis sawinaaRmdegod<br />

muSaobs. sasamarTlo davis arseboba<br />

da biznesis ganviTareba erTad ar<br />

xdeba _ arsad msoflioSi. sasamarTlo dainteresebuli<br />

unda iyos, rom biznesdavebi<br />

male daasrulos da Tu mtyuania, gamoitanos<br />

Sesabamisi dadgenileba, Tu marTalia<br />

_ gaamarTlos. amave dros, sasamarTlom<br />

kerZo sakuTrebis instituti qaRaldze<br />

daweril cnebad aqcia. dabolos: warmoudgeneli<br />

ram, _ uzenaesma sasamarTlom Tqva,<br />

rom rodesac Sedixar kompaniaSi, ara mxolod<br />

unda Seiswavlo qonebis samarTlebrivi<br />

statusi, aramed direqtorebis keTilsindisierebac.<br />

warmogidgeniaT, ra xdeba?<br />

_ ukacravad, ver mivxdi„<br />

_ anu Tqven Tu romelime warmatebul<br />

kompaniaSi aqciebs SeiZenT da mere aRmoCndeba,<br />

rom am kompaniis romelime direqtori,<br />

Turme, arakeTilsindisieri yofila, Tqven<br />

xelT SegrCebaT Sps-s wesdebis qaRaldi<br />

qonebis gareSe. warmogidgeniaT, ra precedenti<br />

dauSva? anu sasamarTlom gviTxra, rom<br />

iuridiuli piri fiqciaa. am dros me imitom<br />

vyidulob kompaniis aqciebs, rom im qonebis<br />

interesi maqvs da ara Sps-s wesdebis.<br />

_ warmoudgenlad meCveneba, garedan,<br />

interesis gareSe, uzenaes sasamarTlosa<br />

da saapelacios, saqmis aseTi gaWianurebiT,<br />

dartyma mieyenebinaT sasamarTlos repu-<br />

taciisTvis„<br />

_ diax, asea, magram vimeoreb: sasamarTlo<br />

sakuTar reputacias, biznessa da kerZo<br />

sakuTrebas safrTxis qveS ayenebs.<br />

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`qronika+~-s<br />

`Tavisufali<br />

demokratebis~ politikuri mdi-<br />

vani, nino goguaZe esaubreba:<br />

_ qalbatono nino, Cveni saub-<br />

ari daviwyoT aqtualuri TemiT:<br />

riT axsniT `Tavisufali demokratebisa~<br />

da `evropuli saqarTve-<br />

los~ TanamSromlobas, radgan<br />

sazogadoebaSi araerTi SekiTxva<br />

gaCnda. mogexsenebaT, swored sandro<br />

girgvlianis ojaxis advoka-<br />

ti gaxldaT Salva SavguliZe.<br />

_ am sakiTxs ramdenime punqtad<br />

davyof da yvelafers giambobT.<br />

Cven didxans vibrZodiT `nacionaluri<br />

moZraobis~ winaaRmdeg. jer<br />

me, rogorc moqalaqe, ise vibrZodi<br />

da yvela aqciaze viyavi, mere<br />

`Tavisufali demokratebis~ partiaSi<br />

Sevedi, sadac me da Salva<br />

SavguliZe irakli alasanias gundis<br />

damfuZneblebi viyaviT, Semdeg<br />

biZina ivaniSvilis `qarTul ocnebaSi~<br />

gaverTiandiT da Zalian<br />

kargad maxsovs, Tu ra dapirebiT<br />

movediT xelisuflebaSi. garda<br />

imisa, rom mosaxleobis umetesobas<br />

siRaribisgan Tavis daRwevis perspeqtiva<br />

hqonda, Zalian kargad<br />

maxsovs, rom mTavari dapirebebi<br />

iyo demokratiuli, samarTleblivi<br />

saxelmwifos mSenebloba. `nacionalebis~<br />

xelisufleba Zalian<br />

represiuli iyo. CemTvis demokratiuli<br />

saxelmwifos mTavari Rirebuleba<br />

aris adamiani, misi uflebebi,<br />

sicocxle da keTildReoba.<br />

diax, Cven Zalian mZime, rTuli,<br />

msoflmxedvelobrivi da fizikuri<br />

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is adamianebi, romlebic dRes `evropul<br />

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varT. davrwmundiT, rom<br />

biZina ivaniSvili swored im represiuli<br />

sistemis mSeneblobisa Tu<br />

aSenebuli marTvis gzas daadga,<br />

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gamovcadeT `kabelebis saqmeze~. es<br />

iyo Tavidan bolomde politikuri<br />

saqme, _ politizebuli prokuratura<br />

da Semdeg sasamarTlo ivaniSvilma<br />

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16<br />

`ivaniSvili `nacionalebis~ im gzas<br />

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555 42 42 90<br />

li alasanias devnis obieqti. risTvisac<br />

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brZolis Semdeg miviReT xelisufleba,<br />

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ra gzasac _ `nacionaluri<br />

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Cemi da Cemi gundis adgili aRar<br />

iqneboda.<br />

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maTi yofnis periodSi<br />

moxda danaSaulebebi, es iyo sistemuri<br />

Cavardna da Cven amaze pasuxismgeblobas<br />

viRebTo. isini Sewuxebulebi<br />

arian imis gamo, rac<br />

zogadad moxda.<br />

_ sityvis doneze endobiT?<br />

_ esec Zalian mniSvnelovania,<br />

radgan Tu ar ityvi da ar aRiareb,<br />

Secdomas verc verasodes gamoasworeb.<br />

CvenTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania,<br />

Tu rogori saxelmwifo unda<br />

gvqondes samomavlod da is principebi,<br />

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gamogvrCes.<br />

nino goguaZe:<br />

`ivaniSvili<br />

girgvlianis, robaqiZisa<br />

da 7 noembris dros<br />

`nacionalebis~ mTavari<br />

damfinansebeli iyo~<br />

_ SegiZliaT CamogviTvaloT is<br />

mTavari principebi da Rirebule-<br />

bebi, raSic Tqven da `evropul<br />

saqarTvelos~ Tanxvedra gaqvT?<br />

_ orive partias migvaCnia, rom<br />

saqarTveloSi aRarasodes aRar<br />

unda ganmeordes erTi piris mmar-<br />

Tveloba. aucileblad xelisufleba<br />

unda iyos dabalansebuli,<br />

Sekavebebisa da gawonasworebebis<br />

meqanizmebiT aRsavse, rom saxelmwifos<br />

unda marTavdes institutebi<br />

da ara romelime erTi piri da<br />

institutebis kompetencia unda<br />

iyos kanoniT da konstituciiT<br />

gawerili. aseve sasamarTlo unda<br />

iyos damoukidebeli da sityvis<br />

Tavisufleba _ SeuzRudavi. es<br />

aris is ZiriTadi principebi, rac<br />

demokratiul saxelmwifos sWirdeba.<br />

am principebidan nebismieri<br />

gadaxveva iqneba demokratiidan gadaxveva.<br />

TviTon es principebi iZleva<br />

SesaZleblobas, rom saxelmwifo<br />

demokratiulad imarTos. ai,<br />

es aris mokle CamonaTvali imisa,<br />

rom Cven davaaxloveT warsulis<br />

Sefaseba erTmaneTTan da im Ziri-<br />

Tad principebze SevTanxmdiT, romelic<br />

demokratiuli saxelmwifosTvisaa<br />

damaxasiaTebeli da swored<br />

es principebi `evropul saqarTvelosTan~<br />

yvelaze metad gvaaxlovebs.<br />

_ koaliciuri mmarTvelobis<br />

`saqarTveloSi aRarasodes<br />

unda ganmeordes erTi<br />

piris mmarTveloba~<br />

momxre xarT?<br />

_ aucilebelia, rom erTi xelisufleba<br />

ar Seicvalos absoluturi<br />

Zalauflebis mqone xelisuflebiT,<br />

radgan absoluturi Zalaufleba<br />

aris wyevla da yvelam<br />

viciT, Tu rogor daumTavrebiaT<br />

absoluturi Zalaufleba. es aris<br />

saSineleba da ukan gadadgmuli<br />

nabiji, Cven aseT saxelmwifoSi<br />

vcxovrobdiT da mas erqva sabWo-<br />

Ta kavSiri, sadac iyo erTi partia,<br />

erTi adamiani fiqrobda, akeTebda<br />

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ewinaaRmdegeba biZina<br />

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miT uaresi veneciis<br />

komisiisTvis - zustad<br />

aseTi damokidebuleba<br />

aqvs mas~<br />

meores da ambobda mesames. es didi<br />

tyuili Cven gamoviareT da 29 weliwadia,<br />

Tavs vaRwevT am sabWoTa<br />

memkvidreobidan gamosvlas. Tvi-<br />

Ton is faqti, rom `evropulma<br />

saqarTvelom~ maJoritarobis kandidatad<br />

Salva SavguliZe daasaxela,<br />

esec imis niSani iyo, rom maT<br />

sxvanairad gaiazres TavianTi warsuli,<br />

aRiares is Secdomebi, rac<br />

swored adamianis uflebebis dacvis<br />

kuTxiT dauSves da amitom daasaxeles<br />

Salva SavguliZe. am dros<br />

`qarTuli ocneba~-biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

burji xdeba murusiZe-Cin-<br />

CalaZis sasamarTlo. swored biZina<br />

ivaniSvili daadga `nacionalebis~<br />

im gzas, romelsac Cven vebrZodiT<br />

da `evropulma saqarTvelom~,<br />

`Tavisufal demokratebTan~<br />

erTad, Tavis maJoritar kandidatad<br />

daasaxela Salva SavguliZe.<br />

_ Tqveni azriT, rogoria Sal-<br />

va SavguliZis Sansebi mTawmindis<br />

olqSi?<br />

_ optimisti adamiani var. mTel<br />

opozicias mogviwevs erTmaneTTan<br />

koordinacia sxvadasxva rangsa da<br />

xarisxSi. magaliTad, proporciuli<br />

arCevnebis Temaze mTeli opozicia<br />

gaverTiandiT da amocanebis<br />

garSemoc unda SevZloT gaer-<br />

Tianeba. aq moxda koordinacia<br />

`evropul saqarTvelosa~ da `nacionalur<br />

moZraobas~ Soris. `evropulma<br />

saqarTvelom~ ar daayena<br />

Tavisi kandidati zugdidSi, xolo<br />

`nacionalebma~ ar daayenes kandidati<br />

mTawmindaze da mxardaWera<br />

gamoucxades Salva SavguliZes. es<br />

aris Zalian kargi imitom, rom bi-<br />

Zina ivaniSvilma unda icodes, _<br />

rodesac yvela kars ketavs da aravis<br />

elaparkeba, am kars miRma dar-<br />

Cenili, Tundac Zalian gansxvavebuli<br />

adamianebi, moZebnian erTmaneTTan<br />

saval gzebs da SeTanxmebis<br />

formulas. ase rom, madloba<br />

yvela opoziciur partias, maT<br />

Soris, `respublikelebs~, romelmac<br />

mxardaWera gamoucxada Salva<br />

SavguliZes, gaerTianebul opozicias<br />

da a. S. `qarTulma ocnebam~<br />

kargad icis, rom Salva SavguliZe<br />

aris is Zalian magari advokati,<br />

romelic yovelTvis icavda adamianis<br />

uflebebs, romelsac mogebuli<br />

aqvs araerTi saqme da iyo Zalian<br />

mebrZoli politikosi, rodesac<br />

is Semovida `Tavisufali demokratebis~<br />

partiaSi. es arCevnebi<br />

unda iyos imis demonstrireba<br />

mTawmindis moqalaqeebis mxridan,<br />

rom biZina ivaniSvils yvelaferi<br />

ar gauva, rom man unda Secvalos<br />

politika da Tu xalxs gavagebineT,<br />

rom ase gagrZeleba aRar SeiZleba,<br />

es unda iyos signali ivaniSvilisTvis,<br />

rom mas yvelaferi ver<br />

gauva. me darwmunebuli var Salvas<br />

gamarjvebaSi.<br />

_ iqneba Tu ara Sualeduri<br />

arCevnebis Sedegebi mniSvnelovani<br />

momavali saparlamento arCevneb-<br />

isTvis?<br />

_ Zalian mniSvnelovani arCevnebia.<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom Sualeduri<br />

arCevnebis Sedegad xelisufleba<br />

ar icvleba da moqalaqeebs<br />

TiTqos iseTi motivacia ar aqvT,<br />

rom gamovidnen da arCevnebze mividnen,<br />

mainc, xelisuflebasa da mosaxleobas<br />

unda davanaxoT, rom politikuri<br />

partiebis koordinaciam<br />

Sedegi gamoiRo, rom es arCevnebi<br />

SeiZleba iyos gardamtexi 2020<br />

wlis arCevnebisTvis da saerTod,<br />

sazogadoebas, Cvens moqalaqeebs<br />

ar vabraleb arafers, radgan Tu<br />

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daadga, romelsac Cven vebrZodiT~<br />

rame ar gamovida isev Cveni, politikosebis<br />

brali iqneba, Tu bolomde<br />

ver davarwmuneT adamianebi<br />

am arCevnebis mniSvnelobaSi.<br />

_ rogor gamoexmaurebiT biZi-<br />

na ivaniSvilis gancxadebas Salva<br />

SavguliZesTan dakavSirebiT? man<br />

Tqva, rom paradoqsia, roca Savgu-<br />

liZe gmirTan asocirdebao.<br />

_ biZina ivaniSvilma gadawyvita,<br />

marto istoria ki ar Segvicvalos,<br />

aramed adamianebis biografia Secvalos<br />

da mis yovel sityvas iseTi<br />

damajerebloba aqvs, TiTqos hgonia,<br />

adamianebi daijereben imas,<br />

rom mTeli es procesebi ise xdeboda,<br />

rogorc biZina ivaniSvilma<br />

gviambo. arada, swored ivaniSvili<br />

imitomac bedavs da ambobs amas,<br />

rom aranairi emociuri bma im procesebTan,<br />

romelic Cven yvelam<br />

erTad gamoviareT, mas ar gaaCnia<br />

da arc icis, ra moxda. TiTqmis<br />

yvela misi TanamebrZoli, 2012<br />

wels rom gundi Sekriba, imaSi daadanaSaula,<br />

TiTqos isini Tavidanve<br />

Sekrulebi iyvnen `nacionalur<br />

moZraobasTan~ da saerTod rogor<br />

moxvdnen masTan, amazec ki dasva<br />

kiTxva. biZina ivaniSvils minda<br />

Sevaxseno, rom sanam is politika-<br />

Si mosvlas daaanonsebda, manamde,<br />

swored ivaniSvili, sandro girgvlianis<br />

dros, buta robaqiZisa da<br />

7 noembris dros, iyo `nacionalebis~<br />

mTavari damfinansebeli burji<br />

da rogorc TviTon ambobs, gadawyvetilebebis<br />

mimReb jgufSi Sedioda:<br />

TviTon gviambo, _ uCemod<br />

mniSvnelovan gadawyvetilebebs<br />

ver iRebdneno. arc erT am faqtze<br />

da Zaladobriv SemTxvevebze mas<br />

aranairi reaqcia ar hqonia. vis, vis<br />

da ivaniSvils namdvilad araferi<br />

eTqmis am adamianebTan da swored<br />

maTi, anu opoziciuri speqtris<br />

meSveobiT moigo 2012 wlis arCevnebi.<br />

Salva SavguliZis qoneba aris<br />

misi biografia da rodesac am adamians<br />

biografias ucvli, damijereT<br />

_ mosaxleoba amas ar gapatiebT.<br />

_ damajereblobaze gamaxsenda.<br />

rogor fiqrobT, dRes vinmes<br />

sjera biZina ivaniSvilis? saprez-<br />

idento arCevnebze Cven kargad<br />

davinaxeT, rom ivaniSvilma abso-<br />

luturad gamoiyena Tavisi res-<br />

ursi da bolos xalxSi kartofi-<br />

lis darigebac ki daiwyo...<br />

_ yvelaze mZimea, rodesac sityva<br />

ufasurdeba. biZina ivaniSvils<br />

hgonia, rom WeSmariteba upyria<br />

xelT. ra saxelsac daarqmevs ama<br />

Tu im movlenas, im saxeliT unda<br />

aRiqvas is sazogadoebam. Tu es ase<br />

ar xdeba da sazogadoeba im saxels<br />

ar arqmevs, romelic biZina ivaniSvilma<br />

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maSin iwyebs laparaks, rom es<br />

`rusTavi 2-is~ bralia, zogadad<br />

mediis an `nacionalebis~. xSirad<br />

vambobdi, rom hipnozs akeTebsmeTqi,<br />

gaiZaxis, _ miSa modis, miSa<br />

modis da am fobiebiT moigo ar-<br />

Cevnebic. TiTqos adamianebs is<br />

SiSebi gauRviZa da amitomac miiRo<br />

sakonstitucio umravlesoba, rac<br />

Zalian cudia misTvisac da qveynisTvisac.<br />

2016 wlidan kidev 3<br />

weli gavida da misi yoveli gamoCena<br />

Tu interviu mis sityvas fass<br />

ukargavs. biZina ivaniSvilis garda<br />

dRes aravis sjera misi sityvis<br />

magiurobis. rodesac ivaniSvils<br />

uWirda, maSin iseTi garemocva Seikriba,<br />

visac azrs ekiTxeboda, romlis<br />

azris gaTvaliswinebac icoda,<br />

rom mniSvnelovani iyo, magram<br />

`biZina ivaniSvilma gadawyvita, marto istoria ki<br />

ar Segvicvalos, aramed adamianebis biografia<br />

Secvalos da mis yovel sityvas iseTi<br />

damajerebloba aqvs, TiTqos hgonia, adamianebi<br />

daijereben imas, rom mTeli es procesebi ise<br />

xdeboda, rogorc biZina ivaniSvilma gviambo.<br />

arada, swored ivaniSvili imitomac bedavs da<br />

ambobs amas, rom aranairi emociuri bma im<br />

procesebTan, romelic Cven yvelam erTad<br />

gamoviareT, mas ar gaaCnia da arc icis, ra moxda.<br />

TiTqmis yvela misi TanamebrZoli, 2012 wels rom<br />

gundi Sekriba, imaSi daadanaSaula, TiTqos isini<br />

Tavidanve Sekrulebi iyvnen "nacionalur<br />

moZraobasTan" da saerTod rogor moxvdnen<br />

masTan, amazec ki dasva kiTxva. biZina ivaniSvils<br />

minda Sevaxseno, rom sanam is politikaSi mosvlas<br />

daaanonsebda, manamde, swored ivaniSvili, sandro<br />

girgvlianis dros, buta robaqiZisa da 7 noembris<br />

dros, iyo "nacionalebis" mTavari damfinansebeli<br />

burji da rogorc TviTon ambobs,<br />

gadawyvetilebebis mimReb jgufSi Sedioda~<br />

roca gaimarjveben xolme, mere<br />

aviwydebaT yvelaferi. garemocvas<br />

ki ar vabraleb, rom biZina ivaniSvili<br />

araadeqvaturia, aramed man<br />

TviTon SearCia es garemocva. Tumca<br />

is, rom dRes araadeqvaturia, es<br />

nawilobriv garemocvis bralicaa,<br />

radgan is ar eubneba realur ganwyobebs,<br />

rasac mosaxleobaSi vxvdebiT.<br />

dRevandel garemocvaSi<br />

aRaravin darCa iseTi, vinc gaubedavs<br />

da simarTles etyvis.<br />

_ gaubedaven da Tanamdebobeb-<br />

is gareSe darCebian.<br />

_ rasakvirvelia, rodesac amdeni<br />

xani Zleb, SenTvis mTavaria, am<br />

adamianis keTilganwyoba da piradi<br />

interesebi. amis gamo akeTeb<br />

imas, rac mas surs.<br />

_ dRemde saakaSvili hgonia<br />

prezidenti da `nacionaluri<br />

moZraoba~ _ xelisuflebaSi.<br />

_ araferic ar hgonia, es aris<br />

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xerxi, am siZulviliT ganpirobebuli.<br />

_ is, rom saqarTvelo usafr-<br />

Txo qveynad gamoacxades, is, rom<br />

qarTvelebis minimaluri xelfasi<br />

Seadgens 1102 lars, is, rom xuTS-<br />

viliani ojaxisTvis sakmarisi Tanxaa<br />

361 lari da 20 TeTri da bevri<br />

sxva ram SegviZlia CamovTval-<br />

oT, Tqveni azriT, rasTan gvaqvs<br />

saqme? rogor unda avxsnaT es ar-<br />

arealuri fenomeni? ra unda, sab-<br />

oloo jamSi, biZina ivaniSvils<br />

qarTveli xalxisgan?<br />

_ usafrTxo qveynad rom gamoacxades<br />

saqarTvelo, es imas niSnavs,<br />

rom politikur TavSesafars<br />

Cvens moqalaqeebs aRar miscemen.<br />

usafrTxo qveynis statusiT rom<br />

amayoben, sinamdvileSi, es aris<br />

Zalian rTuli problema Cveni moqalaqeebisTvis<br />

da xelisuflebas<br />

am usafrTxo statusis mopovebisas<br />

Tavis moqalaqeebze unda efiqra<br />

da ucxoelebTan unda evaWra.<br />

sxvaTa Soris, Zalian bevri adamiani<br />

meubneba, rom Tavidan rogor<br />

ver mixvdio? sul vambobdi, rom<br />

adamianebSi kargs vxedav. adamianebis<br />

ndoba Tu davkarge, ra minda<br />

politikaSi an saerTod cxovrebaSi?<br />

sul vfiqrobdi, adamians,<br />

romelsac aqvs amxela qoneba<br />

da ase gariska, vifiqre, rom mas<br />

qveynisTvis kargi undoda. aba, ras<br />

warmovidgendi, igives miviRebdiT,<br />

rasac vebrZodiT?! ra unda da<br />

Tavisi Zalauflebis ganxorcieleba,<br />

es saxelmwifo sakuTari hgonia,<br />

rom qveyana misi survilebis ganxorcielebis<br />

asparezia. saqarTvelos<br />

ganviTareba rom ar unda, faqtia;<br />

am qveynis demokratizacia rom<br />

ar unda, egec faqtia; samarTlebrivi<br />

saxelmwifo rom ar unda,<br />

faqtia. mas ainteresebs mxolod<br />

ramdenime sistema, romlis meSveobiTac<br />

marTavs am saxelmwifos. es<br />

aris uSiSroeba, politizebuli<br />

prokuratura, policiis nawili,<br />

oRond kriminaluri policia da<br />

sasamarTlo. sasamarTlo yvela samarTlebriv,<br />

demokratiul saxelmwifoSi<br />

aris saxelmwifos fundamenti<br />

da man gadawyvita, rom yvela<br />

es saxelmwifo instituti da<br />

berketi misi sakuTrebaa da am saxelmwifo<br />

berkets yvelaze da yvelas<br />

winaaRmdeg iyenebs, visac amoiCemebs.<br />

CemTvis bolo magaliTia mamuka<br />

xazaraZe. rogorc vxedav, arc<br />

mosaxleobis gaWirveba anaRvlebs.<br />

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asrulebs biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

survils. amitom Tu `veneciis<br />

komisia~ ewinaaRmdegeba biZina ivaniSvilis<br />

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rom 2020 wlis arCevnebze `qarTu-<br />

li ocneba~ daamarcxos?<br />

_ biZina ivaniSvilma yvelaferi<br />

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yvela meTodi gamoiyenes,<br />

adamianobis miRma arsebuli me-<br />

Todebi da veranairad vityvi, rom<br />

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ufro humanuria. samagierod, `qar-<br />

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unda iyos dabalansebuli,<br />

mravalferovani, romlis safuZvelzec<br />

unda Seiqmnas koaliciuri<br />

mTavroba. miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />

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mogviwevs koordineba da<br />

gaerTianeba ama Tu im Tematur<br />

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avT quCis aqciebs?<br />

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rom es protesti konstituciur<br />

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2020 wlis arCevnebis aspeqtSi.<br />

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gamoqveynda msoflio sapatriarqos<br />

erT-erTi mRvdelmTavris,<br />

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istoriaSi, dawyebuli<br />

aTanase didis epoqidan, vidre<br />

dRemde _ XX saukuneSi bulgare-<br />

Tis sqizmamde.<br />

_ da ras gveubneba es isto-<br />

riuli magaliTebi?<br />

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miReba eklesiaSi da is arasodes<br />

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erTobaSi miiRo ROCORis<br />

wevrebi. ai, ras wers msoflio<br />

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sqizmaSi myofi ROCOR-is wevrebi<br />

da miiRo evqaristiul kav-<br />

SirSi _ xelaxali naTlobiT Tu<br />

xeldasxmiT?~<br />

_ ise, gankveTaze gamaxsenda, _<br />

ra argumentebiT inarCunebs saq-<br />

arTvelos sapatriarqo sakuTar<br />

`Svilebad~ da ar gankveTs afxaz-<br />

eTSi moRvawe sasuliero pirebs,<br />

romlebic mas ar aRiareben da<br />

Riad TanamSromloben ruseTis<br />

eklesiasTan, metic: moqmedeben<br />

saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli<br />

eklesiisa da qarTuli saxelmwi-<br />

fos sazianod?<br />

_ ra Tqma unda, saqarTvelos<br />

eklesiis mxridan sruli umoqmedoba<br />

afxazeTSi moRvawe sasuliero<br />

pirebTan dakavSirebiT gaumarTlebelia.<br />

msgavs viTarebaSi,<br />

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kanonikuri samarTlis mixedviT,<br />

aseTi sasuliero pirebi imsaxureben<br />

gankveTas sasuliero pirobidan.<br />

saqarTvelos sapatriarqo<br />

erideba ruseTis eklesiis ganawyenebas,<br />

radgan besarion aplias<br />

gankveTis SemTxvevaSi ruseTi<br />

masTan mainc gaagrZelebs evqaristiul<br />

kavSirs, es ki, garkveulwilad,<br />

aisaxeba ruseTisa da saqar-<br />

Tvelos eklesiis urTierTobebze,<br />

rasac Tavs aridebs saqarTvelos<br />

sapatriarqo.<br />

_ aris Tu ara erTmniSvne-<br />

lovnad SesaZlebeli imis Tqma,<br />

rom msoflio sapatriarqo ar<br />

gadadgams saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli<br />

eklesiisa da qarTu-<br />

li saxelmwifos sawinaaRmdego<br />

nabijs, romliTac gvaSineben sa-<br />

patriarqos warmomadgenlebi Tu<br />

calkeuli RvTismsaxurni?<br />

_ msoflio sapatriarqos nebismieri<br />

qmedeba efuZneba marTlmadidebeli<br />

eklesiis kanonikuri<br />

samarTlis umTavres principebs:<br />

eklesia unda aerTianebdes adamianebs<br />

da ar hyofdes maT. dabejiTebiT<br />

vfiqrob: konstantinopolis<br />

sapatriarqo ar gadadgams<br />

saqarTvelos eklesiisa da saxelmwifos<br />

winaaRmdeg nabijs, radgan<br />

aseTi ramis gakeTeba rom<br />

sdomeboda, ukve sakmarisze meti<br />

safuZveli hqonda.<br />

_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />

_ eklesiebis msoflio sab-<br />

Wodan ruseTis waqezebiT demonstraciul<br />

gamosvlas; amerikis<br />

eTnofiletistur principebze,<br />

ruseTis mier amerikis eklesiis<br />

avtokefaliis mxardaWeras; kretis<br />

krebaze wausvlelobas, rac<br />

aseve ruseTis waqezebiT moxda...<br />

da radgan ase ar moiqca, vfiqrob,<br />

arc SemdgomSi gadadgams saqarTvelos<br />

saxelmwifosa da eklesiis<br />

sawinaaRmdego nabijebs. garda<br />

amisa, konstantinopolis sapatriarqo<br />

pativs scems yvela adgilobrivi<br />

eklesiis gadawyvetilebas<br />

da aqedan gamomdinare, ar ereva<br />

maT Sidasaeklesio saqmianobaSi.<br />

_ principSi, Tu sapatri-<br />

arqosTvisac cnobilia, rom<br />

msoflio patriarqi araviTar<br />

SeTxvevaSi ar imoqmedebs qarTuli<br />

eklesiis winaaRmdeg, amito-<br />

mac xom ar rCebian mudmivad<br />

rusul orbitaze?<br />

_ Seqmnili situaciidan gamomdinare<br />

am azrsac aqvs arsebobis<br />

ufleba.<br />

_ amJamad ra viTarebaa mar-<br />

Tlmadidebel samyaroSi ukra-<br />

inis eklesiis aRiarebis mxriv da<br />

ra molodinebi gaqvT?<br />

_ nebismieri eklesiis avtokefaliis<br />

aRiareba rTuli da xangrZlivi<br />

procesia. msgavsad, ukrainis<br />

eklesiis avtokefaliac igives<br />

moiTxovs. erTi ram, rac calsaxaa,<br />

aris is, rom marTlmadidebeli<br />

eklesiebis meTaurebis gancxadebebidan<br />

gamomdinare, ukrainas<br />

unda hqondes avtokefaliuri<br />

eklesia. ramdenadac Tema ruse-<br />

Tis eklesiis meTaurTa pativmoyvareobasa<br />

da ambiciebs exeba, Sesabamisad,<br />

sakiTxic ufro met sirTules<br />

iZens. ruseTs ar surs<br />

Tavisi gavlenebisa da SesaZleblobebis<br />

Sesusteba da aqedan gamomdinare,<br />

yvela xerxsa da saSualebas<br />

iyenebs sakuTari poziciebis<br />

SenarCunebisTvis _ es aris<br />

muqara, SantaJi Tu kiberSetevebi.<br />

msgavsadve, ukrainis TemasTan<br />

mimarTebiT, arc erTi am meTodis<br />

gamoyenebaze uars ar ambobs. aRniSnuli<br />

viTarebis gamo, marTlmadidebeli<br />

eklesiebic droSi welaven<br />

ukrainis eklesiis avtokefaliis<br />

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konstantinopolsa da moskovs<br />

Soris urTierTobebis daregulirebas,<br />

rac, piradad me, am etapze,<br />

naklebad SesaZleblad mimaCnia.<br />

wingadadgmuli nabijia axlaxan<br />

kviprosze prezvigenul eklesiaTa<br />

meTaurebis Sexvedra, romlis<br />

Sesaxebac zemoT mogaxseneT.<br />

_ qarTul mediaSi periodu-<br />

lad Cndeba msoflio patriarqis<br />

winaaRmdeg mimarTuli publika-<br />

ciebi. xSir SemTxvevaSi adgili<br />

aqvs araTu faqtebis interpre-<br />

tirebas, aramed sicrues da saqar<br />

arTvelos<br />

sapatriarqo arc ki<br />

exmaureba, ar pasuxobs am pub-<br />

likaciebs. ratom? vin dgas am<br />

yvelafris ukan da minimum, aqvs<br />

Tu ara valdebuleba saqarTvelos<br />

sapatriarqos, sakadrisi pa-<br />

suxi gasces sicrues, ciliswame-<br />

bas, reagireba moaxdinos aseT<br />

publikaciebze?<br />

_ ZiriTadi braldebebi rasac<br />

msoflio patriarqis sawinaaRmdegod<br />

iyeneben saqarTvelos eklesiaSi<br />

arsebuli Zalebi, miemarTeba<br />

TiTqosda mis ekumenistobas,<br />

anu mis Tanaziarebas sxva aramarTlmadidebel<br />

eklesiebTan, rac<br />

simarTles ar Seesabameba. calsaxad<br />

SeiZleba ganvacxadoT, rom<br />

`rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, romelzedac xSirad<br />

saubroben saqarTvelos sapatriarqos spikerebi<br />

Tu warmomadgenlebi, kerZod, ukrainis<br />

eklesiis aRiarebis SemTxvevaSi SesaZloa,<br />

ruseTma afxazeTis eklesiis avtokefalia<br />

aRiaros, xolo araRiarebis SemTxvevaSi igive<br />

gaakeTos msoflio sapatriarqom, yovelgvar<br />

kanonikur safuZvelsaa moklebuli~<br />

`barTlomeoss arasodes<br />

daufiqsirebia raime pozicia<br />

afxazeTis avtokefaliasTan<br />

dakavSirebiT. is, rom igi<br />

afxazeTs saqarTvelos<br />

eklesiis iurisdiqciaSi<br />

ganixilavs, iqidanac Cans,<br />

rom is saqarTvelos<br />

patriarqs mudam moixseniebs<br />

cxum-afxazeTis<br />

mitropolitad, rasac<br />

arasodes akeTebs moskovis<br />

patriarqi~<br />

msoflio patriarqs ar aqvs<br />

evqaristiuli kavSiri aramarTlmadidebel<br />

eklesiebTan, Tu mxedvelobaSi<br />

ar miviRebT maT erTobliv<br />

moRvaweobas eklesiologiur,<br />

socialur Tu ekologiur<br />

problemebTan dakavSirebiT. msgavs<br />

TanamoRvaweobas aramarTlmadidebel<br />

eklesiebTan sxva marTlmadidebeli<br />

eklesiebis meTaurebic,<br />

maT Soris, Cvenic, axorcieleben,<br />

raSic aranairad ar Cans saku-<br />

Tari sarwmunoebrivi poziciebis<br />

uaryofa. mimaCnia, rom saqarTvelos<br />

sapatriarqom yovelTvis<br />

jerovani pasuxi unda gasces im<br />

ciliswamebebs, romelic xdeba ara<br />

mxolod msoflio patriarqis mimarT,<br />

aramed nebismieri adgilobrivi<br />

eklesiis meTaurisadmi.<br />

_ saqarTvelos kaTolikos-<br />

patriarqma ilia meorem parizis<br />

RvTismSoblis taZarSi gaCenili<br />

xanZris gamo romis pap franciskes<br />

TanagrZnobis werili gaug-<br />

zavna. werilSi aRniSnulia `lo-<br />

cvasa Sina Tqveni momxsenebeli~.<br />

ganmarteT es sityvebi, romelic<br />

aseve miTqma-moTqmis safuZveli<br />

gaxda. ratom ixseniebs `locvasa<br />

Sina~ patriarqi romis paps?<br />

_ rogorc mogexsenebaT, saqar-<br />

Tvelos marTlmadidebel eklesias,<br />

yvela sxva marTlmadidebeli<br />

eklesiis msgavsad, ar aqvs<br />

evqaristiuli kavSiri romis ka-<br />

Tolike eklesiasTan, magram es ar<br />

niSnavs imas, rom saqarTvelos<br />

patriarqma Tavis pirad locveb-<br />

Si ar moixsenios ama Tu im eklesiis<br />

meTauri Tu nebismieri adamiani.<br />

`locvasa Sina~ romis papisadmi<br />

mimarTuli, gulisxmobs saqarTvelos<br />

patriarqis pirad locvebSi<br />

mis moxseniebas da, aramc<br />

da aramc, evqaristiuli kavSiris<br />

dros. msgavsad moiqca saqarTvelos<br />

kaTolikos-patriarqi, rodesac<br />

ramdenime wlis win saqarTveloSi<br />

stumrad myof romis paps<br />

mimarTa: `qristesmier sayvarelo<br />

Zmao, RmerTma dalocos Cveni ori<br />

eklesia~. raSic araferi sagangaSo<br />

araa, miT umetes, rom mar-<br />

Tlmadidebel eklesiebsa da romis<br />

eklesias Soris gamarTul dialogebSi,<br />

romelic eklesiebis<br />

daaxloebas emsaxureba, saqarTvelos<br />

eklesiac aqtiurad monawileobs.<br />

_ aqve gavixseneb imas, Tu ra<br />

obstruqcia mouwyves romis paps<br />

calkeulma sasuliero jgufebma<br />

Tqven mier naxsenebi viziti-<br />

sas. ramdenad iyo SesaZlebeli<br />

maTi daSoSmineba Tundac patri-<br />

arqis mowodebis safuZvelze?<br />

_ vfiqrob, rom im jgufebisad-<br />

mi, romelmac romis paps misi<br />

vizitisas obstruqcia mouwyo,<br />

TviT patriarqis sityvasac ar<br />

aqvs aranairi mniSvneloba. Tumca,<br />

aqve aRvniSnav, rom msgavsi qmedebebi<br />

ufro sxva gzebiTa da saSualebiT<br />

unda gvardebodes.<br />

_ ise, sainteresoa Tqveni mosazreba,<br />

ratom miiCneven qarTveli<br />

marTlmadideblebi kaTolikeebsa<br />

da qristianobis sxva mim-<br />

devrebs mtrebad?<br />

_ vfiqrob, rom kaTolikeebisa<br />

da qristianobis sxva mimdevrebis<br />

mtrebad gamocxadeba aris fanatizmisa<br />

da fundamentalizmis<br />

Sedegebi, rac namdvilad arasasurvel<br />

suraTs qmnis saqarTvelos<br />

marTlmadidebel eklesiaSi.<br />

es gamowveulia aseve arasakmarisi<br />

informaciisa da ganmartebebis<br />

gamo, rac xsenebul TemasTan<br />

mimarTebiT arsebobs. gana, basili<br />

didi eklesias ar xedavs mraval<br />

nawilad dayofils? xolo patriarqi<br />

tarasiosi ambobs: `vxedav<br />

Cveni RmerTis, qristes kldeze<br />

dafuZnebul eklesias ganyofils<br />

da dayofils... da aRmosavleTis<br />

Tanamorwmune qristianebs sxvagvarad~.<br />

metic: markoz evgenikosi<br />

feraraSi Casvlisas ambobda:<br />

`dRes qristes sxeulis wevrebi,<br />

mravali wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />

ganyofilni da ganxeTqilebaSi<br />

myofni, erTmaneTSi gaerTianebisken<br />

iswrafvian. ar isaTnovebs<br />

qriste RmerTi _ eklesiis Tavi,<br />

dayofil sxeuls...~<br />

_ dReis mdgomareobiT ra migaCniaT<br />

saqarTvelos marTlma-<br />

didebeli eklesiis umTavres<br />

problemad?<br />

_ ganaTleba.<br />

_ sakmaod lakoniuri da mrav-<br />

lismetyveli pasuxia. ramdenime<br />

xnis win sapatriarqos warmomadgenelma<br />

Tqven patara impera-<br />

tori giwodaT, daaknina uamravi<br />

adamiani da mtrebic ki daasaxela.<br />

ramdenad jdeba es Sefasebe-<br />

bi qristianuli Tanacxovrebis,<br />

eklesiis ganviTarebisa da Teo-<br />

logiuri swavlebis konteqstSi?<br />

_ saqarTvelos sapatriarqos<br />

warmomadgenlis mier Cem mimarT<br />

msgavsi absurduli, dausabuTebeli<br />

da araseriozuli braldebebisadmi<br />

pasuxi ar gamicia da arc<br />

samomavlod vapireb. didi marxvis<br />

periodSi, rodesac yvela qristiani<br />

cdilobs, simSvidesa da<br />

TavSekavebulobaSi icxovros, sasuliero<br />

pirisa da Tan sapatriarqos<br />

spikeris mier, sajarod,<br />

Cemdami gamoTqmul aseT dausabuTebel<br />

gancxadebebze mxolod<br />

is damrCenia, ufals vTxovo, rom<br />

miutevos es ciliswamebani da sxva<br />

dros Tavisi gansxvavebuli azri<br />

naTlad, gasagebad da argumentirebulad<br />

gadmosces.<br />

_ ramdenime dReSi aRdgomaa,<br />

ras usurvebdiT qarTvel mrevls,<br />

saqarTvelos marTlmadidebel<br />

eklesias da qristian-<br />

ul samyaros?<br />

_ qarTvel mrevls vusurvebdi<br />

qristeSi erTobas, simSvidesa<br />

da siyvaruls moyvasisadmi da,<br />

zogadad, yvela adamianisadmi,<br />

rac dRes esoden deficituria<br />

eklesiaSi _ vusurvebdi pirovnul<br />

Tavisuflebas, rac udidesi<br />

monapovaria qristianobisa da<br />

rac yovelgvari kerpTayvanismcemlobisa<br />

da pirovnuli gandidebebisgan<br />

icavs qristians.<br />

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`politika beselia-kobaxiZis<br />

arian adamianebi, romlebic Ta-<br />

gega silagava<br />

vianT saqmes kargad akeTeben, ma-<br />

gram arian adamianebi, romlebic<br />

TavianT saqmes gamorCeulad kargad akeTeben. erT-erTi aseTi<br />

adamiania Tengiz abloTia _ Jurnalisti, publicisti da anal-<br />

itikosi, romelic ara mxolod kargad akeTebs Tavis saqmes,<br />

aramed _ gonivrulad. qarTulenovani mkiTxveli mas naklebad<br />

icnobs. qarTuli media masze ar saubrobs, ar Targmnis mis pub-<br />

likaciebs, qarTuli televiziebi ar iwveven Toq SouebSi da amiT<br />

mas araferi akldeba. akldeba imas, vinc mas gverds uvlis.<br />

`qronika+~ Seecada, Tengiz<br />

abloTiasTvis iseTi kiTxvebi<br />

daesva, razedac TiTqos bevri<br />

Cvengani dafiqrebula, magram<br />

umetesobas is pasuxebi ar gaucia,<br />

rasac qvemoT waikiTxavT:<br />

_ Tengiz abloTia Jurnalis-<br />

tikaSi Semdgari brendia. Seni<br />

publikaciebi mudam gansjis sa-<br />

gani xdeba da arc auditoriis<br />

naklebobas gancidi. am fonze<br />

qarTveli mkiTxvelis mxolod<br />

mcire nawili gicnobs. Jurnalis-<br />

turi wreebis aRiarebaze araf-<br />

ers vambob, aq klanuri principi<br />

moqmedebs, mogexseneba. amis miuxedavad,<br />

Sen erT-erTi yve-<br />

laze kiTxvadi qarTveli avtori<br />

xar. vidre intervius ZiriTad<br />

Temebze gadavalT, saintereso<br />

iqneba Seni xedva Semdeg sakiTxe-<br />

bze: rogor Seafasebdi qarTul<br />

JurnalistikaSi arsebul viTare-<br />

bas da ra ganapirobebs qarTul<br />

mediaSi, gnebavs, sazogadoebaSi,<br />

gonieri azris deficits?<br />

_ gonieri azris deficiti araa<br />

mxolod JurnalistikaSi, es movlena<br />

damaxasiaTebelia yvelaferi<br />

danarCenisTvisac. qveyanaSi, sadac<br />

azartul TamaSebze ufro meti<br />

ixarjeba, vidre _ kvebaze, gonierebasa<br />

da racionalizmze saer-<br />

Tod zedmetia saubari.<br />

amis mizezi ki isaa, rom qarTvelebis<br />

umetesoba Tu ara, didi<br />

nawili mainc, gonebrivad da emociurad<br />

aris bavSvi, asakis miuxedavad.<br />

bavSvuri azrovneba aqvT,<br />

romelsac, pirvel rigSi, axasiaTebs<br />

emociebze ayola da saRi<br />

gonebis ararseboba.<br />

iyo erTi cnobili rusi msaxiobi,<br />

zinovi gerdti. man erTxel<br />

Tqva: `gviJdebi, ise miyvars saqar-<br />

Tvelo. es aris Zalian uSualo da<br />

bavSvuri qveyana~.<br />

gerdtis naTqvami iyo komplimenti...<br />

Tumca, realur cxovreba-<br />

Si, amas aqvs bevrad ufro sastiki<br />

da daundobeli Sefaseba _ infantilizmi.<br />

es daavadeba mogvyveba saqar-<br />

Tvelos istoriis yvelaze samarcxvino<br />

periodidan _ breJnevis<br />

epoqidan, 70-80-iani wlebidan,<br />

rodesac qarTvelebs eqceodnen,<br />

rogorc ganebivrebul bavSvebs.<br />

ssrk daiSala, magram es infantilizmi<br />

darCa. gadaxedeT, rogor<br />

daufiqreblad iReben qarTvelebi<br />

umniSvnelovanes gadawyvetilebebs<br />

_ valis aRebas, biznesis dawyebas,<br />

emigraciaSi wasvlas _ yovelgvari<br />

gaazrebis gareSe, emociurad,<br />

ganwyobiT: `ara uSavs, rames<br />

movifiqreb~.<br />

kidev daukvirdiT erT adgilobriv<br />

fenomens _ qarTvelebis<br />

umravlesoba cxovrobs mudmivi<br />

Cxubisa da butiaobis reJimSi _<br />

eCxubebian da ebutebian yvelas:<br />

mezoblebs, TanamSromlebs, naTesavebs,<br />

maRaziis gamyidvelebs...<br />

esec xom bavSvuri saqcielia.<br />

ginaxavT normalur, zrdasrul<br />

qveyanaSi, rom 50 wlis kacma restoranSi<br />

iCxuba? gamoricxulia!<br />

es SeiZleba erTeuli SemTxveva<br />

iyos. CvenTan ki Cveulebrivi, normaluri<br />

ambavia.<br />

_ barem aqve vikiTxav, aris<br />

aseTi xumroba: saqarTveloSi<br />

vinc dedam dawyevla, yvela eqsp-<br />

erti gaxdao. Tumca qarTuli<br />

saeqsperto da analitikuri `sko-<br />

la~ bevrad CamorCeba Tundac<br />

mezobeli saxelmwifoebis stan-<br />

dartebs, dasavlurze rom arafe-<br />

ri vTqva. aq ra problemas xedav<br />

da rogor fiqrob, ratom ar wer-<br />

en da mxolod zepirsityvaoben<br />

qarTveli analitikosebi da<br />

eqspertebi?<br />

_ aqac tradiciul qarTul<br />

senTan gvaqvs saqme _ zedapirulobasTan.<br />

Cven yvela vicnobT<br />

uamrav adamians, romelmac TiTqos<br />

raRaca Tema icis, Tumca kargad<br />

rom CaeZioT, xelSi SegrCebaT<br />

ramdenime dazepirebuli postulati,<br />

yovelgvari siRrmis gareSe.<br />

ai, ise, rogorc morwmuneebis<br />

umravlesoba, romelic 10 mcnebas<br />

ver CamogiTvlis, Tumca Tavs miiCnevs<br />

religiurad.<br />

Tengiz abloTia:<br />

`eri unda<br />

gamovides<br />

sabavSvo baRis<br />

asakidan da<br />

wavides<br />

skolaSi~<br />

rac Seexeba eqspertebs, daukvirdiT<br />

_ maincdamainc politikaSi<br />

ratom aris amdeni vaieqsperti?<br />

imitom, rom SedarebiT martivia.<br />

Tu ginda iyo fizikosi, unda<br />

icode fizika, inJinerul saqmianobaSi<br />

unda icode inJinroba, da<br />

a. S. Sesabamisad, profesiebis didi<br />

nawili iTxovs raRac konkretul<br />

codnas da unarebs, romelTa gadamowmebac<br />

advilia, da, ase vTqvaT,<br />

`dabolebac~ Znelia.<br />

aba, miTxariT, ra unda icodes<br />

eqspertma politikis dargSi?<br />

araferi iseTi, risi codnis swrafad<br />

gadamowmebac SesaZlebelia.<br />

unda erkveodes politikaSi, sul<br />

esaa. Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom<br />

CvenTan politikaSi yvelaze ukeTesad<br />

erkvevian taqsistebi, xolo<br />

Tavad politika daeca beselia-kobaxiZis<br />

Cxubis donemde _ ra<br />

gasakviria, rom bevrs uxaria politeqspertoba?<br />

saerTodac, ratomaa saqarTveloSi<br />

aseTi popularuli politikosoba?<br />

_ zustad amitom. politika<br />

ar aRiqmeba, rogorc calke<br />

aRebuli profesia, radganac<br />

is ar moiTxovs fizikis an qimiis,<br />

xatvis an simReris codnas.<br />

mSvenieria _ araferi ici, araferi<br />

SegiZlia, araviTari sasargeblo<br />

unar-Cveva ar gagaCnia, magram,<br />

amave dros, dRe da Rame ekranze<br />

xar, Senze Wkviani xalxi<br />

azrs gekiTxeba, fulic gaqvs, jipic,<br />

qalebsac moswonxar.<br />

vinmes gikvirT, ratomaa saqar-<br />

TveloSi 200 partia? qarTuli<br />

sizarmacidan da sulswrafobidan<br />

gamomdinare _ wesiT, metic unda<br />

iyos.<br />

_ Sen Tvalwin Caiara qveynis<br />

damoukideblobis yvela proces-<br />

ma. rac Tavi maxsovs, ar yofila<br />

Tundac umniSvnelo Tema, romel-<br />

sac ar gamoxmaurebodi. Zneli<br />

iqneba erT kiTxvaSi pasuxis Cateva,<br />

magram dRevandeli gadasaxe-<br />

didan Tu SevafasebT, rogor<br />

daaxasiaTebdi Tanamedrove qar-<br />

Tul saxelmwifos da gzas, romelic<br />

damoukideblobis mopovebidan<br />

dRevandelobamde gamovi-<br />

areT?<br />

_ damoukidebloba gvaqvs zustad<br />

iseTive, rogoric iyo damoukideblobisTvis<br />

brZola _ spontanuri,<br />

gauazrebeli, emociuri,<br />

da, saboloo jamSi, isev _ bavSvuri.<br />

80-ian wlebSi dawyebuli erovnuli<br />

moZraoba ar iyo qarTveli<br />

xalxis mxridan gansakuTrebuli<br />

fiqrisa da gansjis Sedegi. es iyo<br />

isev patara bavSvis axireba.<br />

patara bavSvs mobezrda erTi<br />

saTamaSo _ ssrk da moindoma meore.<br />

amaSi Rrma azri ar iyo imaze<br />

meti, rodesac 5 wlis bavSvs moswyinda<br />

saTamaSo traqtori da moindoma<br />

aseve saTamaSo TviTmfrinavi.<br />

roca mesmis sityvebi: `qarTveli<br />

xalxi ssrk-s periodSi ibrZoda<br />

TavisuflebisTvis _ mecineba.<br />

qarTveli xalxi im dros Tu ramisTvis<br />

ibrZoda _ es iyo `volga<br />

24-10", servizi `madona~ da 12-na-<br />

Turiani Cexuri brolis WaRi.<br />

dRevandeli gadasaxedidan gasakviri<br />

isaa, es qveyana saerTod<br />

rom ar daingra da dRemde movida<br />

im politikuri elitis gadamkide,<br />

romelic erovnuli moZraobis<br />

dasawyisSi iyo. rogorc<br />

Cans, qarTveli xalxis TviTganadgurebisken<br />

midrekilebasac aqvs<br />

sazRvari _ ufskrulTan misul<br />

`CvenTan politikaSi yvelaze ukeTesad<br />

erkvevian taqsistebi, xolo Tavad<br />

politika daeca beselia-kobaxiZis<br />

Cxubis donemde - ra gasakviria, rom<br />

bevrs uxaria politeqspertoba?~<br />

erSi iRviZebs TviTgadarCenis instinqti.<br />

mcire xniT. mere isev<br />

iZinebs momaval ufskrulamde.<br />

darwmunebuli var, qarTveli<br />

xalxis did nawils cali TvaliT<br />

rom enaxa winaswar yvelaferi, rac<br />

mohyva damoukideblobis mopovebas<br />

_ aucileblad uars ityoda am<br />

ideaze.<br />

bavSvs ki mobezrda saTamaSi<br />

traqtori, magram ara imdenad,<br />

rom Tavisi nebiT gadaetana is<br />

kataklizmebi, rac mas 1989 wlis<br />

Semdeg moeloda.<br />

dRes saqarTveloSi rusuli<br />

jari rom Semovides, 1921 weli<br />

gameordeba. mcire nawili SeewinaaRmdegeba,<br />

magram umravlesoba<br />

araferSi Caereva. mere erTi-ori<br />

kvira gaebutebian rusebs, mere<br />

rusebi moeferebian, erT-or tkbil<br />

sityvas etyvian da amiT mor-<br />

Ceba yvelaferi.<br />

_ Zalian mZimea am Sefasebis<br />

mosmena... Tanamedrove qarTul<br />

politikaSi gansakuTrebiT es<br />

tendencia SeimCneva 2008 wlis<br />

Semdeg, nel-nela gaqra okupire-<br />

buli teritoriebis Tema, rog-<br />

orc politikuri dRis wesrigis<br />

umTavresi sakiTxi. ar vambob, rom<br />

am mxriv kuluarebSi araferi<br />

xdeba, magram faqtia, rom es Tema<br />

gamqralia qarTuli mediidanac,<br />

garda calkeul faqtebze gamox-<br />

maurebebisa. realurad ar mind-<br />

inareobs diskusia momaval Tan-<br />

acxovrebaze<br />

xovrebaze, modelebze: `rogor<br />

davibrunoT~, `davbrundeT~ an<br />

`ra arCevani gvaqvs~ am mimarTulebiT.<br />

ras ukavSireb am mdgomar-<br />

eobas da rogorc am Temaze mravali<br />

publikaciis avtori, sad xedav<br />

gamosavals, Tu saerTod ar-<br />

sebobs gamosavali dRevandel<br />

mocemulobaSi?<br />

_ ratomRac, saqarTveloSi ase-<br />

Ti warmodgena arsebobs, rom yvela<br />

situaciidan aris raRac gamosavali.<br />

cota ginaxavT cxovreba-<br />

Si situaciebi, sadac gamosavali<br />

ar arsebobs? bolos da bolos,<br />

yvelani erTxelac movkvdebiT,<br />

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Cxubis donemde daeca~<br />

amaze meti gamouvali situacia<br />

arsebobs ki?<br />

rac Seexeba teritoriebs, es<br />

zustad is sakiTxia, sadac gamosavali<br />

ar arsebobs. teritoriebis<br />

dabruneba SesaZlebeli iqneba<br />

mxolod ruseTis an ukiduresi<br />

dasustebis, an iq saxelmwifo wyobilebis<br />

Secvlis SemTxvevaSi.<br />

sanam putini xelisuflebaSia, amaze<br />

fiqric ki ar Rirs, putinis Semdeg<br />

_ SesaZlebelia gaixsnas patara<br />

fanjara. isic _ `SesaZlebelia~,<br />

xolo garantia ar arsebobs.<br />

dRevandeli qarTuli politika<br />

okupirebuli teritoriebis<br />

mimarT aris ara mxolod usargeblo,<br />

aramed saziano da damamcirebeli.<br />

albaT, saqme is aris, rom,<br />

magaliTad, afxazeTis sakiTxze<br />

muSaoben adamianebi, romlebsac<br />

cocxali afxazi ar unaxavT arasdros<br />

_ maqsimum, sadme JenevaSi,<br />

raRac uazro saerTaSoriso formatSi.<br />

ukeTes SemTxvevaSi _ 80-ian<br />

wlebSi biWvinTaSi, plaJze.<br />

maT ar ician, rom aranairi Zmoba<br />

da megobroba erebs Soris axlosac<br />

ar iyo realobasTan arc afxazeTSi<br />

da arc cxinvalSi. gavrcelebuli<br />

mcdelobebi, gasaRdes<br />

es konfliqtebi mxolod rogorc<br />

rusul-qarTuli da, am dros,<br />

`Cveni afxazi da osi Zmebi Cven<br />

gvelodebian~, _ aris sisulele.<br />

arc osebi, da miT umetes, arc<br />

afxazebi ar arian da arasdros<br />

yofilan Cveni Zmebi da es mudmivi<br />

xmamaRali laparaki Zmobaze maT<br />

mier aRiqmeba, rogorc qarTvelebis<br />

simxdalis maCvenebeli.<br />

dagvcinian amis gamo.<br />

gamosavali erTia _ Sewydes<br />

saqarTvelos daumTavrebeli damcireba,<br />

gauqmdes yvelanairi uazro<br />

saerTaSoriso molaparakebebi,<br />

darCes mxolod adgilobrivi mni-<br />

Svnelobis kontaqtebi, rogorc<br />

ergneTSi da rogorc iyo, Tavis<br />

droze, afxazeTSi _ WuburxinjSi,<br />

sadac ganixileboda, vin vis ramdeni<br />

Zroxa mopara.<br />

Sewydes aseve samedicino programebi<br />

_ Cven ar varT valdebulebi,<br />

vumkurnaloT mtrebs,<br />

Tanac yovelgvari madlierebis<br />

gareSe.<br />

daiviwyeT, rom iq sadRac aris<br />

dakarguli teritoriebi, ar mivceT<br />

ruseTs am sakiTxiT spekulirebis<br />

saSualeba da vaSenoT saxelmwifo.<br />

esaa erTaderTi pasuxi<br />

teritoriebis warTmevaze.<br />

unda movemzadoT imisTvis, rom<br />

erTxelac SesaZleblobebis fanjara<br />

gaixsneba da Cven amas unda<br />

davxvdeT mzad.<br />

_ saqarTvelo, ruseTi da sa-<br />

frTxeebi amouwuravi msjelobis<br />

Temaa. dRevandeli xelisufleb-<br />

is oponentebi acxadeben, rom<br />

xelisufleba ruseTTan mimarTe-<br />

biT unda iyos ufro mkveTri da<br />

agresiuli politikis matarebeli.<br />

amavdroulad, arsebuli xelisufleba<br />

cdilobs status-<br />

kvos SenarCunebas da argaRizianebis<br />

politikas emxroba. parale-<br />

lurad, Cven vxedavT konkretul<br />

nabijebsac ruseTis sapirwoned<br />

dasavleTTan realurad dasaax-<br />

loveblad: asocirebis xelSekruleba,<br />

vizaliberalizacia, na-<br />

tosTan TanamSromlobis gaZl-<br />

iereba, razedac calke davsvam<br />

kiTxvas. amjerad ki zemoTqmulis<br />

konteqstSi vikiTxav, _ ramdenad<br />

vumklavdebiT ruseTidan momav-<br />

al safrTxeebs, Tundac hibrid<br />

brid-<br />

uli omis xilul elementebs da<br />

ramdenad pragmatulia politika,<br />

romelsac dRes ruseTTan mima-<br />

rTebiT xelisufleba awarmoebs?<br />

ra unda Seicvalos am mxriv?<br />

_ `ocnebis~ pragmatuli politika<br />

ruseTTan mimarTebiT aris<br />

miTi. sinamdvileSi is, riTac xelisufleba<br />

iwonebs Tavs _ saer-<br />

Tod araa misi damsaxureba.<br />

_ anu?<br />

_ magaliTad, is, rom ruseTi ar<br />

esxmis Tavs saqarTvelos da omi<br />

ar ganaxlda. erTi SexedviT, es<br />

marTlac asea, Tumca mizezebi<br />

sul sxvaa, vidre `ocnebas~ surs<br />

warmoaCinos. pirveli mizezi isaa,<br />

rom ruseTs sababebi amoewura.<br />

saqarTveloSi umetesobas araswori<br />

da zedapiruli warmodgena<br />

aqvs putinze, rogorc pirsisxlian,<br />

oms mowyurebul diqtatorze,<br />

romelic ar icavs aranair<br />

wesebs da moqmedebs mxolod sakuTari<br />

survilebisamebr.<br />

realurad ki!!! putini sul sxva<br />

tipis politikosia da misTvis<br />

formalur mxares, procedurebs<br />

didi mniSvneloba aqvs. is araa<br />

stalini, is aris mafiozi, Suleri,<br />

romelmac zustad icis TamaSis<br />

wesebi da icavs mas. daukvirdiT _<br />

saqarTveloSic, moldovaSic,<br />

ukrainaSic is ar Sedis teritoriebze,<br />

sadac araloialuri mosaxleoba<br />

cxovrobs, iq, sadac mas<br />

an SeewinaaRmdegebian, an, minimum,<br />

ar etyvian madlobas!!!<br />

am konteqstSi ruseTma amowura<br />

SesaZleblobebi _ meti ar dar-<br />

Ca saqarTveloSi teritoria, sadac<br />

rusul jars taS-fanduriT<br />

Sexvdebian. swored amitom uwevs<br />

mas mavTulxlarTebiT manipulireba<br />

_ dasapyrobad mosaxerxebeli<br />

sxva teritoriebi saqarTveloSi<br />

aRar darCa, TbilisSi ki is<br />

ar Seva _ es zedmetad rTulia<br />

politikuri TvalsazrisiT.<br />

meore mizezi, ris gamoc ruse-<br />

Ti ar omobs saqarTvelosTan _ is<br />

dakavebulia sxva qveynebiT. dRes<br />

saqarTvelo aris ruseTisTvis<br />

meore ki ara, mesame planze. dRes<br />

ruseTis mTeli agresia mimarTulia<br />

gacilebiT seriozul mowinaaRmdegeze<br />

_ ukrainaze. am situaciaSi<br />

saqarTvelom droebiT<br />

dakarga aqtualuroba.<br />

swored amiT aixsneba Sedarebi-<br />

Ti simSvide qarTul-rusul<br />

`frontze~, Tanac realuri problemebi<br />

qveynebs Soris arsad gamqrala<br />

da tyuilad fiqrobs vinme,<br />

rom ritorikis Serbileba da Tundac<br />

natoze uaris Tqma sakmarisia<br />

moskovTan urTierTobebis<br />

`dasalageblad~.<br />

metic, rusuli politika ase<br />

muSaobs _ erTi daTmobis Semdeg<br />

moiTxoven kidev erTs, Semdeg meores<br />

da bolos _ an mogiwevT,<br />

faqtobrivad, suverenitetsa da<br />

strategiul proeqtebze uaris<br />

Tqma, an urTierTobebis isev<br />

`SeiZleba, bavSvuri butiaobis garda moeZebnos raime logikuri, zrdasruli<br />

adamianisTvis Sesaferisi axsna imas, rac axla xdeba avlabris prezidentis<br />

sasaxlis irgvliv? gabutulebi ar Sedian SenobaSi, Tumca xvdebian, rom<br />

saWiroa da amitom erTdroulad inaxaven or Senobas - aTonelisa da<br />

avlabris rezidencias. arsebobs qveyana germania, sadac cxovroben<br />

germanelebi - Zalian Wkviani da seriozuli xalxi. dRes qveynis parlamenti<br />

raixstagSi muSaobs, anu SenobaSi, sadac 1933-1945 wlebSi muSaobda hitleri.<br />

ratomRac, arc erT germanels ar mosvlia azrad am Senobis dacarieleba<br />

im mizeziT, rom is "borotebis simboloa". ai, ase iqcevian zrdasruli erebi<br />

da maTi zrdasruli politikosebi~<br />

gafuWeba.<br />

yvelaze cudi ki, rac xdeba _<br />

es aris ruseTze saqarTvelos ekonomikis<br />

damokidebulebis swrafi<br />

zrda. `ocneba~ ver acnobierebs,<br />

ramxela safrTxeSi agdebs qveyanas<br />

an amas specialurad akeTebs.<br />

dRes ukve ruseTi qarTuli produqciis<br />

umsxvilesi importioria,<br />

ruseTi aseve axlosaa imasTan,<br />

rom daikavos pirveli adgili turistebis<br />

raodenobis mxriv.<br />

aravin icis, rodis da ra sababiT<br />

moxdeba am axalgaCenili berketebis<br />

gamoyeneba, rodesac saqarTvelo<br />

ukve kritikulad damokidebuli<br />

iqneba ruseTze. es araa<br />

pragmatizmi. ukeTes SemTxvevaSi,<br />

es aris sibece, uaresSi _ kapitulaciis<br />

Semzadeba. jobia, saerTod<br />

ar gqondes araviTari urTierTobebi<br />

ruseTTan, vidre _ aseTi.<br />

_ natos generalur mdivan ian<br />

stoltenbergis saqarTveloSi<br />

bolo vizitis dros uprecedento<br />

ram moxda, gaimarTa swavle-<br />

ba, romelic aliansis arawevri<br />

saxelmwifosTvis gulisxmobs<br />

mexuTe punqtis amoqmedebis<br />

gareSe qmediT daxmarebas _<br />

adekvatur atur moqmedebas samxedro<br />

agresiis pirobebSi. rogor Seafasebdi<br />

am faqts da risi maniSne-<br />

belia is?<br />

_ me ar mjera, rom natos arawevri<br />

qveynisTvis samxedro daxmarebis<br />

gawevis politikuri neba<br />

aqvs, miT umetes, rodesac saubaria<br />

erT mxares saqarTveloze, meore<br />

mxares ki _ ruseTze. erT<br />

rameSi veTanxmebi prorus politikosebs<br />

_ nato Cven ar dagvicavs<br />

da arc wevrad migviRebs mTeli<br />

dadebiTi ritorikis miuxedavad.<br />

Tumca es imas ar niSnavs, rom<br />

Zalisxmeva am mxriv Sewydes _ esec<br />

iqneboda bavSvuri saqcieli _ ar<br />

gviReben da modi, gavebutoT.<br />

zrdasrul adamianTa samyaroSi<br />

amocanis sirTule ar niSnavs miznis<br />

miRwevaze uaris Tqmas.<br />

sinamdvileSi, gza natosken ufro<br />

mniSvnelovania, vidre Tavad<br />

nato. pirvel rigSi, saqarTvelosnair,<br />

realobebs Soris gaWedili<br />

qveynisTvis aucilebelia raRac<br />

didi, Tundac Znelad misaRwevi<br />

mizani _ swored aseTi miznebi<br />

axdens qveynebis gadaqcevas gaurkveveli<br />

teritoriebidan saxelmwifoebad.<br />

es aris erTgvari erovnuli<br />

ideologia. saerTod, es<br />

cneba _ erovnuli ideologia _<br />

Zalian uyvarT qarTvel urapatriotebs<br />

da is pirdapiri gagebiT<br />

esmiT. maTi azriT, Wkviani adamianebis<br />

jgufi unda dajdes, imsjelos<br />

da daweros erovnuli ideologia<br />

Camoyalibebuli punqtebad.<br />

realurad, es ase arasdros<br />

xdeba _ erovnuli ideologia araa<br />

raRac maRalfardovani strategia,<br />

romelic dawera xuTma, viTom<br />

yvelaze Wkvianma adamianma.<br />

erovnuli ideologia aris is,<br />

saiTkenac midis qveyana, ZiriTadi<br />

mimarTuleba, qveynis saboloo<br />

mizani. amis dawera SeuZlebelia.<br />

saxelmwifo, romelsac ar gaaCnia<br />

mizani, verasdros wava win da or-<br />

Robis doneze darCeba. rogorc<br />

rusebi amboben, _ vinc ar riskavs,<br />

is ar svams Sampanurs.<br />

garda amisa, Tavad natosTan<br />

daaxloebis procesi Zalze mniSvnelovania<br />

saqarTvelosTvis da<br />

swored masTanaa dakavSirebuli<br />

saqarTveloSi reformebis ganxorcieleba,<br />

civilizebuli Tama-<br />

Sis wesebis damyareba da a. S.<br />

erTi sityviT, natosken mimaval<br />

gzaze Cven SegviZlia mivi-<br />

RoT gacilebiT meti, vidre Tavad<br />

natos wevroba. amitomac es<br />

politika unda gagrZeldes yvelafris<br />

miuxedavad.<br />

_ aseTi kiTxvac maqvs: erTerT<br />

interviuSi saqarTvelos me-<br />

same prezidentma ganacxada, rom,<br />

Tavis droze, ruseTisTvis keTdeboda<br />

SeTavazeba _ uxeS peri-<br />

frazs gavakeTeb: dagvibruneT<br />

afxazeTi azeTi da Cven uars vityviT<br />

natoze. rogor fiqrob, ramdenad<br />

pragmatuli iyo da aris aseTi<br />

SeTavazeba im pirobebSi, rodesac<br />

cxadze ucxadesia _ saqarTvelo<br />

ruseTis guberniac rom gaxdes,<br />

is arafris dambrunebeli ar<br />

aris?<br />

_ pirvel rigSi, es mcdeloba<br />

aucilebelia sworedac imitom,<br />

rom am Temaze erTxel da samudamod<br />

Sewydes yovelgvari spekulaciebi.<br />

ise, es gaugebari molodini,<br />

rom ruseTi kargi saqcielis<br />

sanacvlod dagvibrunebs teritoriebs<br />

_ esec qarTuli infantilizmis<br />

erT-erTi araCveulebrivi<br />

gamovlinebaa.<br />

gagrZeleba 28-e gv.<br />

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`laSa nacvliSvilma Tavis<br />

advokati mixeil ramiSvili erTi<br />

giorgi abaSiZe<br />

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li ampluiT wardga _ `kanoni da<br />

samarTlis~ damfuZnebel yrilobaze igi partiis aRmasrulebel<br />

mdivnad airCies. `qronika+~ dainteresda, Tu ris gakeTebas<br />

apirebs xmauriani uflebadamcveli politikaSi? mixeil ramiS-<br />

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rulwlovanTa kolonia unda<br />

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araTu warmatebuli aRmoCndeba,<br />

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misabaZi gaxdeba.<br />

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murusiZes da Tu ratom cdi-<br />

lobs xelisufleba murusiZis `ga-<br />

pravebas~? am da sxva kiTxvebze<br />

pasuxebs winamdebare interviudan<br />

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bas apirebs da ra ideebi aqvs<br />

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arsiTa da azriT, politikaa!<br />

_ siyvaruli politika ki ara<br />

RmerTia!<br />

_ iciT, ra? _ RmerTTan urTierTobac<br />

politikaa, anu adamiani<br />

arCevans akeTebs, ra kuTxiT unda<br />

wavides. arCevans Tavad RmerTi ga-<br />

Zlevs: an kargi gziT iare an cudi-<br />

To. mokled, politika arCevania da<br />

mTeli am 25 Tu 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />

adamianebi politikas ki ara,<br />

politikaSi yofnisa da iq sakuTari<br />

Tavis warmoCenis arCevans ake-<br />

Tebdnen.<br />

erTi sityviT, erTaderTi, rac<br />

qveyanas gadaarCens da Cven, rogorc<br />

saxelmwifo SeviqmnebiT, momavali<br />

Taobis mentaloba, aRzrdis<br />

meTodi da iseTi garemos Seqmnaa,<br />

sadac adamianebs Tanasworobis<br />

principis SegrZneba eqnebaT da<br />

imasac gaiTaviseben, rom dausjelobis<br />

sindromi ar arsebobs!<br />

diax, iseTi garemo unda SevqmnaT,<br />

sadac viRacis Sviloba, ZmisSviloba<br />

ver gadawonis da ar ityvian,<br />

_ mere ra, rom danaSauli Caidina,<br />

vapatioT da gamoswordebao.<br />

ase ar SeiZleba. gamosworeba viRacis<br />

SvilobiT ki ara, imiT xdeba,<br />

roca yvela Tavis saqcielzea pasuxismgebeli!<br />

momavali Taoba ki<br />

imitom vaxsene, rom is im gziT dadis,<br />

romelsac ufrosebi utoveben,<br />

anu momavali TaobisTvis memkvidreobis<br />

gardasaxva Zalian rTulia.<br />

_ batono mixeil, Tundac xo-<br />

ravas tragedia imitom moxda, rom<br />

subelianis ojaxis arasrulwlovani<br />

wevrebi dausjelobis eifo-<br />

riaSi iyvnen?<br />

_ ki batono, asea.<br />

_ mentalobis Secvla sakmaod<br />

rTulia.<br />

_ diax, swored amazea saubari.<br />

ojaxebis umetesoba bavSvebs nebismier<br />

survils usrulebs. ra Tqma<br />

unda, yvelas kargad unda ecvas,<br />

magram, amavdroulad, naswavli da<br />

aRzrdilic unda iyos. samwuxarod,<br />

CvenTan ufrosi Taobis umetesoba<br />

Svilebis aRzrdaze ki ara,<br />

Cacma-daxurvazea gadarTuli. arada,<br />

ufrosi Taoba sxva kuTxiT<br />

unda iyos mobilizebuli.<br />

_ anu mSoblebs mouwodebT,<br />

rom Svilebs tansacmeli aRar<br />

uyidon?<br />

_ cxadia, ara, magram tansacmlis<br />

yidvamde bavSvis fsiqologiuri<br />

marTvis principi arsebobs,<br />

romelsac `50-50-ze~ hqvia, anu Tu<br />

bavSvi rame miuRebels gaakeTebs,<br />

xeli imitom ar unda daafaro, rom<br />

Seni Svilia. bavSvs rames imitom ar<br />

unda dahpirde, rom kargad moiqces.<br />

mozardis nebismier saqcielze<br />

pasuxismgebeli mSobelia.<br />

sxvaTa Soris, Cveni sisxlis samarTlis<br />

kodeqsi iTvaliswinebs<br />

garkveul danaSauls, roca bavSvis<br />

qmedebaze pasuxismgebloba mSobels<br />

ekisreba.<br />

`cixe<br />

adamians,<br />

miT umetes,<br />

mozards, ar<br />

asworebs~<br />

_ e. i. roca danaSauls aras-<br />

rulwlovani Svili sCadis, amis<br />

gamo mSobeli isjeba?<br />

_ sasjeli 14 wlis asakidan iwyeba.<br />

manamde ki bavSvma rac unda<br />

Caidinos, ar isjeba, Tumca pasuxi<br />

mSobels moeTxoveba, Tumca es muxli<br />

umoqmedoa. garda amisa, arsebobs<br />

`ganridebis~ cneba _ Tu 14<br />

wlamde asakis bavSvi danaSauls<br />

Caidens, SeiZleba Tqvan, modi, ganrideba<br />

gavukeToT da vapatioTo.<br />

_ 14 wlamde asakis mozardma<br />

mkvlelobac rom Caidinos, Sei-<br />

Zleba, rom mas ganrideba gauke-<br />

Ton?<br />

_ ara, mkvlelobis patieba ar<br />

xdeba, magram Cxubze, qurdobasa<br />

Tu xulignobaze ganridebas akeTeben<br />

xolme. quCaSi yovelTvis is<br />

liderobs, vinc `Sariani~ da CxubisTavia,<br />

amavdroulad, patronic<br />

hyavs da Sesabamisad, rac unda<br />

gaakeTos, patroni yvelafers ulagebs<br />

_ is ki ara, SeiZleba, masTan<br />

myofi pirebi daisajon, cixidan gamosul<br />

arasrulwlovans ki ukve<br />

sxva gza exsneba.<br />

_ es `sxva gza~ romelia?<br />

_ danaSaulis xelmeored Cadenis.<br />

Cven patara eri varT. Cveni tradiciebiT<br />

meomrebi da mebrZolebic<br />

varT _ yovelTvis Cvens sam-<br />

Soblos vicavdiT, Tumca dRes es<br />

patriotizmi aRar arsebobs da xelovnurad<br />

aris Camkvdari. ai, naxeT,<br />

ra pirobebSi uwevT cxovreba<br />

saqarTvelodan wasul emigrantebs<br />

safrangeTSi _ isini iq cxovrebis<br />

uflebas ver iReben da es TiToeuli<br />

Cvenganis pasuxismgeblobaa.<br />

_ ukacravad, emigraciaSi wasv-<br />

la patriotizmTan ra kavSirSia?<br />

_ Zalian Znelia imas, rac xdeba,<br />

gamarTleba mouZebno _ 4-5<br />

wlis bavSvi karavSi im mizniT acxovro,<br />

rom ucxo qveyanaSi, iqneb,<br />

cxovrebis ufleba mogcen.<br />

_ batono mixeil, adamianebi<br />

aseT riskze imitom midian, rom<br />

saqarTveloSi cxovreba dRiTi<br />

dRe gausaZlisi xdeba. amitom<br />

vinc qveynidan SimSiliT sikvdils<br />

gaurbis, patriotizms ver davu-<br />

wunebT!<br />

_ ra Tqma unda da mec swored<br />

magas vambob, rom garemos Zalian<br />

didi mniSvneloba aqvs _ roca<br />

uyurebs, misi ojaxisTvis prioritetuli<br />

ra aris, ai, aqedan iwyeba<br />

bavSvis, rogorc danaSaulis gzaze<br />

mavalis Camoyalibeba.<br />

_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-<br />

gram mainc ar meubnebiT, ra gegma<br />

da idea gaqvT saamisod, rom<br />

mozardebSi danaSaulebrivi men-<br />

taloba aRmoifxvras?<br />

_ arasrulwlovani, romelic<br />

danaSauls Caidens, cixeSi ar unda<br />

wavides.<br />

_ aba, sad unda wavides?<br />

_ arasrulwlovanma damnaSaveebma<br />

sasjeli cixeSi ki ar unda<br />

moixadon, aramed maTTvis gasamxedroebuli<br />

baza unda Seiqmnas, sadac<br />

wavlen, magram im pirobebiT ki<br />

ara, rom, vTqvaT, SabaT-kviras saxlSi<br />

gamouSvan.<br />

zogadad, kriminaluri samyaros<br />

mentaloba aseTia _ ai, cixeSi vijeqi,<br />

ukve `Zveli biWi~ var da rasac<br />

minda, gavakeTebo, magram roca<br />

arasrulwlovani damnaSave samxedro<br />

sistemaSi moxvdeba, iqidan ise<br />

veRar gamova, rogorc `Zveli<br />

biWi~.<br />

_ arasrulwlovani damnaSavee-<br />

bis gasamxedroebuli danayofi<br />

Tavdacvis saministros unda<br />

eqvemdebarebodes?<br />

_ ra Tqma unda. am Temaze detalurad<br />

saubari Sors wagviyvans,<br />

magram erTs aucileblad getyviT:<br />

zogma SeiZleba ikiTxos, _ Tu arasrulwlovani<br />

mkvlelobas Caidens,<br />

cixis nacvlad samxedro samsaxur-<br />

Si ratom unda wavideso?<br />

_ es logikuri kiTxva iqneba,<br />

Tan isic ar dagaviwydeT, rom da-<br />

naSauls arasrulwlovani gog-<br />

onebic sCadian. maTac gasamxedroebul<br />

SenaerTSi xom ver gavuS-<br />

vebT?<br />

_ arasrulwlovani gogonebisTvisac<br />

arsebobs cixe, magram cixe<br />

arc am dawesebulebas unda erqvas.<br />

ise, samxedroSi qalebic xom arian?<br />

ai, magaliTad, israelis samxedro<br />

qvedanayofebi ulamazesi qalbatonebiT<br />

aris dakompleqtebuli...<br />

gogonas, romelic danaSauls<br />

sCadis, cixidan gamosvlis Semdeg<br />

`dRes Salva SavguliZisTvis Savi laqis<br />

mocxebasa da murusiZis gamarTlebas imitom<br />

cdiloben, rom Salvam politikuri gza<br />

airCia - maJoritarobis kandidatia.<br />

marTalia, maSin politikaSi ar viyavi, magram<br />

qorepiskoposma iakobma girgvlianis saqmeSi<br />

lamis axalaiebis agentad momnaTla - es<br />

imitom gakeTda, rom "cianidis saqmeSi" xels<br />

vuSlidi. dRes, roca gaigeben, rom partia<br />

"kanoni da samarTalis" aRmasrulebeli<br />

mdivani var, Cemzec ityvian, ramiSvili cudia,<br />

CinCalaZe da murusiZe ki kargebi ariano~<br />

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sibinZureebs mixedos!~<br />

politikaSi wasuli mixeil ramiSvili arasrulwlovanTa<br />

koloniis gauqmebis iniciativiT gamodis!<br />

yvela ise aRiqvams, rogorc kriminals,<br />

damnaSavesa da nacixars. amitom<br />

is yovelTvis kriminalebsa da<br />

danaSaulis Semadgenel jgufebs<br />

eZebs, sadac ganmeorebiTi danaSaulis<br />

Cadenis didi Sansi aqvs.<br />

organizebul danaSaulebriv<br />

samyaroSi kidev erTi aseTi cneba<br />

arsebobs _ Tu adamians odesme<br />

romelime Zalovan struqturasTan<br />

Sexeba hqonia an sajaro samsaxurSi<br />

muSaobda da umaRlesi aqvs<br />

damTavrebuli, kriminaluri samyaros<br />

srulfasovani wevri ver<br />

gaxdeba. Sesabamisad, bavSvi, romelic<br />

arasrulwlovanTa koloniaSi<br />

moxvda, srulwlovanebis asakis<br />

miRwevis Semdeg e. w. didebis cixe-<br />

Si gadadis, anu `malaletkebidan~<br />

`didebis cixeSi~ gadasuls Sesabamisi<br />

saxeli da is motivic aqvs, rom<br />

danaSauli kidev Caidinos. bavSvs<br />

ki, romelic danaSaulis Cadenis<br />

Semdeg samxedro qvedanayofSi moxvdeba,<br />

danaSaulis Cadenis survili<br />

aRar gauCndeba.<br />

_ samxedro qvedanayofSi aras-<br />

rulwlovani damnaSave ramden<br />

xans unda darCes?<br />

_ nebismieri danaSauli sasjelis<br />

vadas iTvaliswinebs. Sesabamisad,<br />

samxedro qvedanayofSi arasrulwlovanma<br />

imdeni xani unda gaataros,<br />

ramdensac mis mier Cadenili<br />

danaSaulis sasjeli gulisxmobs.<br />

_ e. i., batono mixeil, arasrulwlovanTa<br />

koloniis gauqmeb-<br />

is ideiT gamodixarT?<br />

_ arasrulwlovanTa kolonias<br />

saxeli unda gadaerqvas da arasrulwlovanTa<br />

samxedro baza daerqvas.<br />

_ ise, problema mxolod saxe-<br />

li araa.<br />

_ cxadia da, saxelTan erTad,<br />

struqturac unda Seicvalos.<br />

_ rogor?<br />

_ ar vambob, rom bavSvebs iaraRTan<br />

unda hqondeT Sexeba, magram<br />

maT samxedro swavleba unda gaiaron.<br />

saerTod, nebismieri mozardi<br />

plasteliniviTaa da SesaZloa, ise-<br />

Ti niWi aRmoaCndes, rom misgan<br />

kargi samxedro dadges.<br />

_ am ideas sakanonmdeblo ini-<br />

ciativis saxe miecema?<br />

_ diax. es Zalian saintereso<br />

novaciaa.<br />

roca arasrulwlovani damna-<br />

Save `malaletkebidan~ gamodis,<br />

yvelafers Tavi rom gavaneboT,<br />

ojaxi mas veRar akontrolebs,<br />

radgan ukve sxva mentaloba da<br />

Sexeduleba aqvs Camoyalibebuli,<br />

anu is damnaSaveTa samyaros, ase<br />

vTqvaT, ojaxis wevria.<br />

_ samwuxarod, asea, miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom qurduli mentaliteti<br />

da qurdul samyarosTan kavSiri<br />

Cveni kanonmdeblobiT dasjadia...<br />

Tqvens sakanonmdeblo iniciativas,<br />

rogor fiqrobT, xelisufle-<br />

ba an opozicia mxars dauWers?<br />

_ iciT, ra aris? _ mxars arc<br />

erTi dauWers da arc _ meore.<br />

_ ratom?<br />

_ imitom, rom magaTi principi<br />

aseTia _ qveyana rac ufro areulia,<br />

ar arsebobs balansi da garkveuli<br />

anarqiaa, marTva gacilebiT<br />

advilia. es `gaTiSe da ibatones~<br />

principia. roca yvelaferi es dabalansdeba,<br />

wina planze is faseuloba<br />

wamoiwevs, romelic TiToeuli<br />

Cvenganisa da saxelmwifo mmar-<br />

TvelobisTvis Zalian kargi iqneba.<br />

_ e. i., qveyanaSi qaosi opozi-<br />

ciasac awyobs?<br />

_ amas ver vityvi, magram vinc<br />

dRes opoziciaSi gadavida, guSin<br />

xom umravlesobaSi iyo, anu, Tavis<br />

droze, erTi gundi gaxldaT da<br />

dRes sxvadasxva mxares dgas. ver<br />

vijereb, roca erTi gundia da mere,<br />

roca Tavs garkveuli konfliqti<br />

iCens, gamodian da amboben xolme,<br />

Turme, es da is ra cudi yofilao.<br />

erTmaneTis lanZRva-ginebas,<br />

Woraobas iwyeben da Sesabamisad,<br />

qveynisa da momavali TaobisTvis<br />

aRar scaliaT.<br />

_ sxvaTa Soris, arasrulwlovanTa<br />

kodeqsi parlamentSi Cavar-<br />

da. rac Seexeba Tqvens ideas, es<br />

misaRebi, mgoni, arc mosamarTlee-<br />

bisTvis iqneba da arc _ advokate-<br />

bisTvis, radgan arasrulwlovan<br />

damnaSaves advokati ar dasWird<br />

rd-<br />

eba. amas garda, mosamarTlesTan<br />

sTan<br />

`saqmis Casawyobadac~ aRaravin avin ir-<br />

bens. Tanac, `mozardTa gasamxe<br />

samxedroebuli<br />

dawesebuleba~ sazoga-<br />

doebam, SesaZloa, cudad aRiqvas...<br />

_ Tu wesieri, normaluri da<br />

demokratiuli saxelmwifos mSenebloba<br />

da isic gvinda, rom momavali<br />

Taoba jansaRi iyos, ra gvirCevnia:<br />

mozardTa sasjelaRsrulebis<br />

dawesebulebas kolonia da cixe<br />

erqvas Tu gasamxedroebuli qvedanayofi?<br />

gasamxedroeba imas ar<br />

niSnavs, rom mozardi aucileblad<br />

samxedro piri gaxdes. aseTi qvedanayofi,<br />

yvelafers Tavi rom<br />

davaneboT, patriotizmis valdebulebas<br />

gaaCens da mozardisTvis<br />

`Zvel biWoba~ da `kai tipoba~ aRar<br />

iqneba faseuli, anu bavSvebic ase<br />

ifiqreben: Tu danaSauls Caviden,<br />

cixeSi ki ar gamiSveben, saidanac<br />

`kai biWis~ saxeliT gamoval, aramed,<br />

_ samxedro bazaze da Cemi<br />

`kai biWobac~ damTavrdebao.<br />

_ anu es mozards danaSaulis<br />

Cadenaze xels aaRebinebs?<br />

_ diax da amiT korufciuli<br />

mentalitetic aRmoifxvreba.<br />

_ rogor?<br />

_ weRan ganrideba vaxsene, romelsac<br />

mozards imitom aZleven,<br />

rom meorejer danaSauli aRar Caidinos,<br />

magram ganrideba, sinamdvileSi,<br />

mxareebs Soris molaparakebaa<br />

_ mSoblebi nacnobs naxuloben<br />

an Zalovani struqturis<br />

warmomadgenlebs saCuqrebs ukeTeben.<br />

es ukve korufciaa. zogadad,<br />

korufcia isaa, roca gamorCenis<br />

mizniT imas iReb, rac yvelaze metad<br />

gWirdeba. arasrulwlovnis danaSaulis<br />

SemTxvevaSi ganrideba mozardisTvis<br />

daTvuri samsaxuria.<br />

Cemi iniciativis kanonad miRebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi ki mSoblebsac aRar eqnebaT<br />

survili, rom axlobeli mo-<br />

Zebnon, raTa Svils, romelmac danaSauli<br />

Caidina, ganrideba gauke-<br />

Ton. ar vambob, rom aravis araferi<br />

vapatioT, magram patieba ganridebas<br />

ar unda niSnavdes, radgan Tu<br />

erTxel ganarideb, mozardi meored<br />

uares danaSauls Caidens da<br />

amis araerTi faqti Cems axalgazrdobaSic<br />

yofila da axlac aris.<br />

yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,<br />

igive statistikiT, skolebidan imdeni<br />

civi iaraRia amoRebuli, saswavlo<br />

dawesebulebebTan mandaturi<br />

ki ara, mTeli policia rom daayenon,<br />

amis aRmofxvra SeuZlebelia.<br />

mokled, kriminaluri mentalitetisken<br />

swrafva unda amoiketos<br />

da imas unda mivaRwioT, rom arasrulwlovans<br />

damnaSaveTa samyaros<br />

interesi aRar hqondes!<br />

_ batono mixeil, adamians ko-<br />

rufciisken aqvs midrekileba da<br />

am mentalobis aRmofxvra saqarTveloSi<br />

ufro gaWirdeba. ai, ma-<br />

galiTad, gasamxedroebul qvedan-<br />

ayofebSi SesaZloa, mxolod is<br />

damnaSave mozardebi moxvdnen,<br />

romlebic udedmamod izrdebian.<br />

maT ki, visac gavleniani `mamikoe-<br />

bi~ hyavT, isev xels daafareben.<br />

es safrTxe xom realuria?<br />

_ es aRar moxdeba, radgan kanonSi<br />

yvelaferi imperatiulad iqneba<br />

gawerili.<br />

_ kanonebSi yvelaferi Sesa-<br />

Zloa, axlac imperatiulad aris<br />

naTqvami, magram am dReSi imitom<br />

varT, rom kanonebi ar sruldeba.<br />

_ dRes yvela kanoni kargi ar<br />

aris, anu erTi kargi kanonia, xuTi<br />

ki _ cudi da es xuTi cudi kanoni<br />

im erT kargs faravs. amitom, Sei-<br />

Zleba, isec gakeTdes, rom erTi<br />

axali kanonis miRebis Semdeg sxva<br />

kanonebSi cvlilebebis Setana<br />

savaldebulo gaxdes!<br />

arasrulwlovanTa gasamxedroebuli<br />

qvedanayofi, praqtikulad,<br />

cixe iqneba, sadac aRzrdis sxva<br />

meTodika iarsebebs. aseT qvedanayofSi<br />

`mayureblebi~ ar iqnebian.<br />

_ mesmis, magram gasamxedroebul<br />

qvedanayofSi, jaris ms-<br />

gavsad, SesaZloa, `dedovSinam~<br />

ifeTqos.<br />

_ es gamoricxulia!<br />

_ ratom?<br />

_ arasrulwlovanTa gasamxedroebuli<br />

qvedanayofi mxolod Tav-<br />

`zogadad, kriminaluri<br />

samyaros mentaloba<br />

aseTia - ai, cixeSi<br />

vijeqi, ukve `Zveli biWi~<br />

var da rasac minda,<br />

gavakeTebo, magram<br />

roca arasrulwlovani<br />

damnaSave samxedro<br />

sistemaSi moxvdeba,<br />

iqidan ise veRar<br />

gamova, rogorc<br />

`Zveli biWi~<br />

dacvis saministros ki ar unda<br />

daeqvemdebaros, aramed mis muSaobaSi<br />

fsiqologebic unda CaerTon<br />

da mozardebma Cveulebrivi saSualo<br />

ganaTleba miiRon.<br />

zogadad, garemo umniSvnelovanesia.<br />

quCas erTi wesi aqvs: an kacad<br />

gagxdis, an arakacad dagtovebs.<br />

`quCis akademias~ kacad Zalian<br />

cota uqcevia, umravlesoba ki qu-<br />

CaSi daRupula.<br />

sxvaTa Soris, mamaCemi ambobda:<br />

`yvela Tavis safiqraliT miuyveba<br />

nacnob quCebs, es quCaa Cveni bedi:<br />

zogs kacs xdis da zogs afuWebs!~<br />

_ cnobilia, rom mozardTa<br />

danaSaulis prevenciaze aseve<br />

arasrulwlovani damnaSaveebis<br />

gamosworebaze uamravi saerTaSo-<br />

riso organizacia muSaobs. imasac<br />

amboben, rom am saqmeSi Zalian di-<br />

di fuli keTdeba. Tqveni ideiT ki<br />

viRacebs fulis Sovnis wyaros<br />

uketavT. amaze ar gifiqriaT?<br />

_ yvelaferi es mesmis, magram<br />

cixe adamians, miT umetes, mozards,<br />

ar asworebs. cixe sul sxva<br />

samyaroa. SeiZleba, erTeulebi<br />

arian, romlebic cixeSi gamoswordnen,<br />

Tan am SemTxvevaSi, arasrulwlovnebze<br />

vsaubrob. nebismieri<br />

mozardi, romelic cixeSi<br />

Tundac erTi Tvea namyofi, igive<br />

ubanSi sxva avtoritetiT sargeblobs<br />

da rac unda wesieri samezoblo<br />

hyavdes, Tanatolebi cdiloben,<br />

mas mibaZon da mTeli ubedurebac<br />

aqedan iwyeba.<br />

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Sauls Caidens, damnaSaved ki nu<br />

warmovadgenT, aramed, gasamxedroebul<br />

qvedanayofSi gavuSvaT da<br />

vnaxavT, rom yvelafer amiT mentaloba<br />

Zalian Seicvleba.<br />

sxvaTa Soris, sabavSvo konvenciebs<br />

gadavxede da SemiZlia, erTmniSvnelovnad<br />

vTqva, rom es iniciativa<br />

arasrulwlovanTa uflebebs<br />

ar arRvevs. piriqiT, damnaSave<br />

mozardebs saSualebas vaZlevT,<br />

rom qveynis srulfasovan moqalaqeebad<br />

Camoyalibdnen!<br />

dRes saqarTveloSi danaSaulebrivi<br />

sindikatia. am iniciativis<br />

amuSavebis Semdeg ki axalgazrdobis<br />

mentaloba Seicvleba da es<br />

`bezpridelic~ samudamod gaqreba!<br />

_ batono mixeil, am Temas ar<br />

exeba, magram raki girgvlianis<br />

ojaxis pirveli advokati iyaviT,<br />

SemTxveviT visargebleb da gkiTxavT:<br />

dRes xelisuflebas ise gamo-<br />

hyavs, rom murusiZes girgvlianis<br />

saqmeSi araferi gaufuWebia da<br />

laSa nacvliSvilma isic Tqva,<br />

murusiZes arafris gakeTeba See-<br />

Zloo...<br />

_ nacvliSvilma Tavis sibinZureebs<br />

mixedos!<br />

_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />

_ ra vici, rac magas gakeTebuli<br />

aqvs... nuravisze nu ilaparakebs!<br />

_ medals meore kuTxidan<br />

SevxedoT: murusiZem is ganaCeni<br />

gamoitana, ra saqmec prokuratu-<br />

ridan miuvida.<br />

_ pirdapir getyviT: samwuxarod,<br />

mosamarTleebs Secdoma xSirad<br />

mosdiT, anu roca rame cvlileba<br />

arsebobs, sisxlis samarTlis<br />

kodeqsSi am cvlilebis Setanis<br />

TariRi weria da hgoniaT, rom es<br />

cvlileba am TariRidan moqmedebs,<br />

magram wesi aseTia: roca parlamenti<br />

cvlilebas iRebs, es prezidentTan<br />

igzavneba da Tu veto ar<br />

daado, cvlileba ZalaSi im dRidan<br />

Sedis, roca prezidenti xels<br />

moawers.<br />

_ girgvlianis saqmesTan es ra<br />

kavSirSia?<br />

_ murusiZe ambobs, ufleba ar<br />

mqonda, rom prokuraturisTvis<br />

masalebi ukan damebrunebinao, magram<br />

es simarTles ar Seesabameba,<br />

anu parlamentis mier kanonSi Setanili<br />

cvlileba jer ZalaSi ar iyo<br />

Sesuli, radgan prezidents xeli<br />

ar hqonda mowerili.<br />

_ batono mixeil, Tqveni azriT,<br />

`ocneba~ murusiZes kbilebiT ra-<br />

tom icavs da ratom `apravebs~?<br />

_ saxelmwifo Sedgeba sami _<br />

sakanonmdeblo, aRmasrulebeli da<br />

sasamarTlo xelisuflebisgan.<br />

roca es samkuTxedi erTadaa, sxvanairi<br />

marTva xdeba. murusiZe yvelanair<br />

davalebas Zalian kargad<br />

asrulebda. aseve kargad asrulebda<br />

giorgi Cemiac, romelic pirveli<br />

instanciis mosamarTle iyo _<br />

amxela moculobis saqme xuT dRe-<br />

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da arsebobda moTxovna,<br />

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ganaCeni damdgariyo.<br />

_ amas piradad saakaSvili iTx-<br />

ovda?<br />

_ es ar vici, magram dReSi xuTi<br />

procesi imarTeboda. dRes Salva<br />

SavguliZisTvis Savi laqis mocxebasa<br />

da murusiZis gamarTlebas<br />

imitom cdiloben, rom Salvam politikuri<br />

gza airCia _ maJoritarobis<br />

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politikaSi ar viyavi, magram qorepiskoposma<br />

iakobma girgvlianis<br />

saqmeSi lamis axalaiebis agentad<br />

momnaTla _ es imitom gakeTda, rom<br />

`cianidis saqmeSi~ xels vuSlidi.<br />

dRes, roca gaigeben, rom partia<br />

`kanoni da samarTalis~ aRmasrulebeli<br />

mdivani var, Cemzec ityvian,<br />

ramiSvili cudia, CinCalaZe da<br />

murusiZe ki kargebi ariano.<br />

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erT-erTi gmiri yveba, roca mas<br />

faSistebma sami Svili waarTves da<br />

igi oficers Seevedra, rom gaeSva<br />

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mamis win daayena da uTxra: air-<br />

Cie erTi! ra unda gaekeTebina mamas?<br />

aerCia yvelaze Zlieri Tu susti?<br />

janmrTeli Tu uZluri? ufrosi,<br />

umcrosi Tu SuaTana? ufro<br />

lamazi Tu SedarebiT Seuxedavi?..<br />

rogor unda moqceuliyo sasowarkveTili<br />

mSobeli? isic nu dagvaviwydeba,<br />

rom oficeri dadgenil<br />

wesebs arRvevda, realurad gulmowyaleba<br />

gamoiCina da mamas Tundac<br />

arCevnis saSualeba misca _ er-<br />

Ti sicocxlis gadarCenis ufleba.<br />

metyviT, _ Tavi moekla, Tuki samives<br />

ver gadaarCendao. magram es<br />

araswori pasuxia, Tavadac iciT.<br />

ratom? maSin Tavadac mokvdeboda<br />

da samive Svils dauxocavdnen. re-<br />

_ meoremde?<br />

rac beri is eri, gnebavT, piriqiT<br />

_ klasikurad: rac eri _ is<br />

beri da maSin miT ufro maqvs ukmayofilebis<br />

gamoTqmis safuZveli,<br />

radgan aseTi damokidebulebiT<br />

viRebT viTarebas, rodesac qarTveli<br />

politikosebi sakuTari vnebebis<br />

realizebisTvis sadistoben,<br />

xolo xalxi dausruleblad mazoxistobs.<br />

Sedegad ki gvaqvs sadomazoxisturi<br />

qarTuli politika<br />

yvela Tanmdevi komponentiT.<br />

***<br />

saqarTveloSi politika yvelaze<br />

sarfian saqmed, biznesad miiCneva.<br />

aq advilia iyo politikosi,<br />

_ sakmarisia ramdenime brZnuli<br />

amonaridis dazepireba, dayenebuli<br />

metyveleba, cota qarizma da<br />

morCa. politika im sferod iqca,<br />

sadac `yvelaferi mosula~. realu-<br />

raRac nawilSi simpaTiis mopoveba.<br />

Tu imdenic gesmis, rom mazoxistad<br />

qceulTa umetesobas friad moswons,<br />

rom masze Zaladoben _ dideba<br />

garantirebuli gaqvs. realurad<br />

xom amisTvis gikraven taSs, rom mere<br />

rac SeiZleba meti tkivili miayeno<br />

da Tu amas ver SeZleb, Camogacureben<br />

da axal sadists ipovian.<br />

ara, mesmis, rom Zalian kategoriuli<br />

var da tonic sakmaod mZimea,<br />

Tumca es realoba gaxlavT, problema<br />

am SemTxvevaSi isaa, gamoutydeba<br />

Tu ara mavani sakuTar Tavs.<br />

ho, rogor ginda, rom gazomo<br />

politikosis profesionalizmi?<br />

politikosi xom moswavle ar aris,<br />

sazepiroebi Camoarakrakos da mis-<br />

Tvis isic dasaSvebia, erT leqss<br />

meore gadaabas. politikosi arc<br />

maTematikosi gaxlavT, amocana<br />

amoxsnas. politikosi arc buRal-<br />

qarTuli politikur-<br />

bi ase harmoniulad rom Tanacxovroben,<br />

ra gasakviria?<br />

***<br />

Cven ver gavizardeT, Cven ver<br />

vviTardebiT, imis miuxedavad, ramdeni<br />

wigni wagvikiTxavs, raoden<br />

brZnulad gamoviyurebiT. damoukideblobis<br />

lamis 30-wliani periodis<br />

ganmavlobaSi erma, xalxma,<br />

politikurma klasma, sazogadoebam<br />

erTxelac ar daisaxa swori amocana<br />

da, Sesabamisad, rogor Sei-<br />

Zleboda swori Sedegi mieRo an<br />

sworad gaeca pasuxi kiTxvisTvis:<br />

ra gvinda, sad mivdivarT?<br />

Cven arasodes gvqonia mizani,<br />

diax, mizani _ mkveTrad gamoxatuli,<br />

pragmatuli da racionaluri.<br />

mizani _ rac unda ganvaxorcieloT,<br />

riskenac unda miviswrafodeT,<br />

rasac unda mivaRwioT.<br />

Cven arasodes dagvisaxavs gama-<br />

ris, kartofilis, xaxvis fulis,<br />

sakuTari komfortis, interesebis,<br />

ocnebebis sanacvlod? e. i. isini,<br />

visTvisac mTavari iyo saxelmwifo?<br />

anu umetesoba an Secdomas uSvebs<br />

pasuxis gaazrebaSi, an _ tyuis.<br />

kargi, vTqvaT, erTxel Secdi, Secdi<br />

meored, cdebi mesamed, meoTxed<br />

_ briyvi xar? aris romelime qar-<br />

Tveli, romelic aRiarebs, rom<br />

briyvia? _ ara! maSin ra xdeba?<br />

pasuxi aqac martivia, _ saqar-<br />

Tvelos moqalaqeebi, `Rrmad ganviTarebulebic~<br />

ki da politikosebi<br />

miiCneven, rom qveyana _ yuradReba<br />

miaqcieT amas! _ ganviTardeba<br />

Tu mis marTvas patiosani politikosebi<br />

daiwyeben da tiranebs,<br />

korumpirebulebs, giJebs, oligarqebs<br />

CamoaSoreben xelisuflebas.<br />

kidev erTxel daakvirdiT _ `qveyana<br />

ganviTardeba~ da aq `saxelmwifo~<br />

sad aris? a, ganviTarebuli<br />

qveyana aris saxelmwifo? rogor<br />

vupasuxo axla aseTi mosazrebis<br />

mqone politikosebsa da `Rrmad<br />

ganviTarebul~ inteleqtualebs?<br />

albaT, martivad: dajeqi, oriani!<br />

saxelmwifo, arc meti arc naklebi,<br />

aris sazogadoeba, romelic<br />

organizebulia politikuri Zalauflebis<br />

ganxorcielebis gziT.<br />

magaliTad, aristotelesTvis saxelmwifo<br />

gaxlavT bevri adamianis<br />

marTva yvelas interesis sasargeblod.<br />

aristoteles Tu mivyvebiT,<br />

sad aris Cvens saxelmwifoSi yvelas<br />

interesi garantirebuli? Tu<br />

klasikas _ maSin rogor aris Cven-<br />

Tan organizebuli politikuri Zalaufleba?<br />

radgan orive sakiTx-<br />

Si garRveva gvaqvs, sulac ar<br />

mikvirs, rom qveyana varT.<br />

Tumca mizans ra vuyoT? mizans<br />

_ saxelmwifos...<br />

***<br />

realurad, Tu sakuTar Tavs ar<br />

movatyuebT. CvenTan mizani saxelmwifo<br />

ki ar aris _ Zalauflebaa,<br />

xelisuflebaSi yofnaa.<br />

gagaxsenebT, rom germaneli sociologi<br />

da filosofosi maqs veberi<br />

ganasxvavebda xelisuflebis<br />

sam tips: tradiciuli xelisufleanu<br />

me saxelmwifos gamarjvebas virCev!<br />

aloba aseTia: mas hqonda sakuTari<br />

Tavisa da erTi Svilis gadarCenis<br />

Sansi. davindob Tqvens emociebs da<br />

ar davsvam kiTxvas, _ Tqven ras<br />

izamdiT? am Temas sul bolos davubrundebi.<br />

***<br />

xSirad mekiTxebian, ras verCi<br />

qarTvel politikosebs, politikur<br />

gaerTianebebs, ras vedavebi<br />

da ra maqvs maTTan gasayofi? bevri<br />

ram da pirvel rigSi, maTi maniakuri<br />

merkantilizmi da konformizmi.<br />

aseve xSirad mekiTxebian, ras<br />

verCi qarTveli xalxis arcTu umniSvnelo<br />

nawils, sazogadoebriv<br />

jgufebs da ratom var mudam ukmayofilo?<br />

ratom ar izrdebian,<br />

ratom ar viTardebian da ratom<br />

iqcevian, rogorc ukanaskneli xarbi<br />

qajebi, romlebic ise avardebian<br />

xolme saarCevnod darigebul<br />

Saqarze, kartofilze, xaxvze, fulze,<br />

rom verc ki aTviTcnobiereben,<br />

ra zians ayeneben qarTul saxelmwifos?<br />

rogor ver xvdebian,<br />

rom Semdgomi oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />

is erTjeradi saarCevno sisuste<br />

maT ukiduresad agresiul<br />

mazoxistebad ayalibebs da es gr-<br />

Zeldeba erTi saarCevno ciklidan<br />

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rad xom aravin amowmebs Sens codnas,<br />

radgan `aq~ politika gamocdilebasa<br />

da swavlebaze dafuZnebuli<br />

profesia ar aris. `aq~ mTavaria,<br />

SegeZlos gaaCmaxo. rac ufro<br />

damajereblad akeTeb amas, miT<br />

ufro kargi `tipi~ an `tipSa~ xar<br />

da miT ufro gcemen pativs. Tan am<br />

politikosebma kargad ician _ ma-<br />

Ti uvicoba da degeneratizmi ar<br />

unda gaiSifros, amitom amomrCevlisTvis,<br />

xalxisTvis TvalSi nacris<br />

Sesayrelad maRal standartebs<br />

aweseben. standartebs, romlis<br />

umetesobas Tavad verasodes daakmayofileben.<br />

ise, marTla, rogor ginda saqarTveloSi<br />

gazomo, vin rogori<br />

politikosia? me Tqven getyviT da<br />

xalxs aqvs dadgenili amis kriteriumi,<br />

Tu Tavad politikaSi Semoparuli<br />

personebi ver moiwoneben<br />

Tavs imiT, rom `maSin im aqciaze<br />

viyavi~, `maSin imas vebrZodi~ an<br />

imiT, rom `maSin patara biWi viyavi<br />

da mamikos Zmakacebi pasportis<br />

Cvenebis sanacvlod fuls mCuqnidnen~.<br />

an ra problemaa erTi Tu ori<br />

patriotuli sloganis gaJRereba,<br />

mowinaaRmdegis dagmoba, registrebis<br />

cvla, yelze ZarRvebis daWimva;<br />

am yvelafris mere xalxSi an mis<br />

teria, balansi gagimzadoT da gasaval-Semosavali,<br />

wageba-mogeba daiangariSos.<br />

raoden paradoqsulic ar unda<br />

iyos, qarTveli da aq, vaRiareb, ara<br />

mxolod qarTveli politikosis<br />

sazrisi ver gascda nikolo makiavelis<br />

`mTavarSi~ (1531 weli) asaxul<br />

realobas _ politikuri liderebis<br />

mTavari maxasiaTebeli kvlav<br />

da kvlav cbiereba, sisastike da manipulaciebia.<br />

Cven SemTxvevaSi qarTveli politikosebis<br />

umetesobas sami Svilidan<br />

erTis arCevis saSualebas Tu<br />

miscem, cxadia, vis airCevs da irCevs<br />

kidec _ arc erTs! mxolod sakuTar<br />

Tavs gadairCens. maTi deklarirebuli<br />

motivi iqneba aseTi _<br />

me ar mqonda arCevnis saSualeba, es<br />

iqneboda ori Svilis sasikvdilod<br />

gawirva, amitomac gadavwyvite, ar<br />

gamekeTebina es arCevani, arc im<br />

oficerTan Sevsuliyavi konfliqtSi<br />

da kacobriobisTvis axali<br />

Svilebi meCuqebina. anu gadavrCeniliyavi<br />

me. da aq yvelaze mTavari,<br />

iciT, ra aris? _ bevri Cvengani am<br />

mosazrebas gaiziarebs da taSsac<br />

daukravs `mamas~, radganac Tavadac<br />

ase moiqceoda. Sesabamisad, es<br />

qarTveli sadistebi da mazoxiste-<br />

rjveba miznis misaRwevad, mudam<br />

gvgonia, rom mizani `viRacis~ damarcxebiT<br />

miiRweva. ratom? imitom<br />

rom Tavad mizani ar viciT, ra gvaqvs.<br />

napoleon hils moviSvelieb:<br />

`aris erTi ram, rasac unda flobde<br />

gamarjvebisTvis. es aris gansazRvruli<br />

mizani, codna imisa, Tu<br />

ra ginda da mwveli survili, miaRwio<br />

dasaxuls~.<br />

aba, miTxariT, mxolod gulwrfelad,<br />

ra iyo am xnis ganmavloba-<br />

Si Cveni _ saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis<br />

mizani? saxelmwifo, misi Seqmna<br />

sruli atributikiT: damoukideblobiT,<br />

TavisuflebiT, adamianis<br />

uflebebiT, kanonis uzenaesobiT,<br />

demokratiiT, ekonomikuri siZlieriT<br />

Tu TviTgadarCena, romelic,<br />

am SemTxvevaSi, moicavs mxolod<br />

`mes~ keTildReobas? mizani saxelmwifo<br />

iyo, rogorc Cveni harmoniuli<br />

da ganviTarebuli cxovrebis<br />

areali, Tu mizani iyo, me kargad<br />

unda viyo? vici, pasuxebi aqac gaiyofa,<br />

zogi erTs miemxroba, zogi<br />

_ meores. umetesoba ityvis, rom<br />

maTi mizani iyo da aris saxelmwifo,<br />

xolo `imaTi~ anu xelisuflebebis,<br />

mTavrobebis mizani iyo `me~.<br />

da vin irCevda am mTavrobebs Saq-<br />

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sazogadoebrivi sadomazoxizmi<br />

ba, romelic fesvebgadgmulia istoriaSi;<br />

qarizmatuli xelisufleba,<br />

romelic warmoiqmneba pirovnebisgan;<br />

legalur-racionaluri<br />

xelisufleba, romlis arseboba<br />

dasabuTebulia obieqturi normebiT.<br />

Cven ar gvaqvs da verc gveyoleba<br />

tradiciuli xelisufleba,<br />

romelsac aqvs istoriuli mexsiereba<br />

da memkvidreoba, arc ki<br />

vcdilobT gvyavdes legalurracionaluri<br />

xelisufleba, radganac<br />

Tavad ar varT racionalurebi<br />

da ukve, lamis, 30 welia, qarizmatuli<br />

xelisuflebis, anu pirovnebisgan<br />

warmoqmnili da pirovnebaze<br />

dayrdnobili xelisuflebebis<br />

pirobebSi vcxovrobT. vcxovrobT<br />

da mogvwons es. swored amiT<br />

aris ganpirobebiuli is, rom mizansac<br />

ki ver viazrebT sworad.<br />

`diqtatori gamsaxurdia~, `mela<br />

SevardnaZe~, `giJi saakaSvili~,<br />

`oligarqi ivaniSvili~... _ personebi,<br />

pirovnebebi, romelTa qarizmatulobas,<br />

yovel calkeul SemTxvevaSi,<br />

Cveni sazogadoebis umetesobam<br />

jer Zegli daudga da mere<br />

Tavpiri daamtvria.<br />

aba, kargad gaixseneT, damoukideblobis<br />

calkeul politikur<br />

etapze ra iyo qarTuli sazogadoebis<br />

amocana? tirani gamsaxurdias<br />

damxoba, mela SevardnaZis<br />

damxoba, giJi saakaSvilis damxoba<br />

da axlac qarTulma opoziciurma<br />

elitam morigi amocana dasaxa _<br />

oligarqi ivaniSvilis damxoba.<br />

TiToeulis dasamxobad ki qarTuli<br />

politikuri speqtri gvTavazobda<br />

sxvadasxva formulas, romlis<br />

Sinaarsi sul ori fraziT SeiZleba<br />

gadmovce _ erTi: `saqarTvelo<br />

gamsaxurdias, SevardnaZis,<br />

saakaSvilis, ivaniSvilis gareSe~ da<br />

meore: `yvelas minus erTi~ da<br />

iciT, es ras niSnavs, rodesac aseT<br />

langarze deben politikur kerZs?<br />

rom mizani qveyanac ki ar aris, araTu<br />

saxelmwifo, rom mizania `er-<br />

Ti~ sisxlismsmeli, tirani, flidi<br />

Seicvalos meore qarizmatuliT.<br />

mere ra, rom ramdenime weliwadSi<br />

axal qarizmatuls aseve CavasvenebT<br />

miwaSi? CvenTvis xom mTavaria<br />

procesi da iluzia, rom qveynis<br />

beds vcvliT. realurad ki qveynis<br />

ki ara, imaT beds vcvliT, vinc<br />

CveniT manipulirebs da vcdilobT,<br />

rom iqneb, am cvlilebis dros<br />

sakuTari bedic SevcvaloT.<br />

amitomac, rodesac Cveni politikuri<br />

mentaloba da azrovneba<br />

ver gascda kargi da tirani mefis<br />

an, gnebavT, keisris arsebobis gaazrebas<br />

da rodesac dabejiTebiT<br />

gvgonia, rom cudi kaligula Tu<br />

arsebobda, xom arsebobda kargi<br />

cezari da Tan yvela imas vfiqrobT<br />

_ iqneb, incitatusis bedi<br />

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`rodesac Cveni politikuri mentaloba da<br />

azrovneba ver gascda kargi da tirani mefis<br />

an, gnebavT, keisris arsebobis gaazrebas da<br />

rodesac dabejiTebiT gvgonia, rom cudi<br />

kaligula Tu arsebobda, xom arsebobda kargi<br />

cezari da Tan yvela imas vfiqrobT - iqneb,<br />

incitatusis bedi gvergos da senatSic<br />

movxvdeT - araferi gveSveleba! ise, cxenis beds<br />

rom inatreb kaci, ra sabralo arseba xar~<br />

gvergos da senatSic movxvdeT _<br />

araferi gveSveleba! ise, cxenis<br />

beds rom inatreb kaci, ra sabralo<br />

arseba xar.<br />

Tumca, ratomac, ara? _ aristotelem<br />

xom Tavis `politikaSi~ ganacxada,<br />

rom `adamiani Tavisi bunebiT<br />

politikuri cxovelia~ (Tumca<br />

igi gulisxmobda, rom adamians<br />

mxolod politikuri sazogadoebis<br />

SigniT SeuZlia icxovros `kargi<br />

cxovrebiT~) da ra moxdeba,<br />

Cvenc Tu keTilSobili cxovelis<br />

rols movirgebT, miT ufro, rom<br />

amJamidel _ maimunis rols sjobs.<br />

amis Semdeg ratom gikvirT es<br />

ukidegano urTierTzizRi rac<br />

Cvens sazogadoebaSia? ratom gikvirT,<br />

rom qarizmatuli liderebi<br />

saSinlad manipulireben CveniT?<br />

ratom gikvirT, rom swored am qarizmatulebis<br />

interesebSia, qveyanaSi<br />

mizanic ki ar iyos, racionaluri<br />

xelisuflebis arsebobaze<br />

xom saubaric zedmetia? da sabolood,<br />

ratom gikvirT, rom dro-<br />

Ta ganmavlobaSi isini gamsgavseben<br />

sakuTar Tavs, romelsac samive<br />

Svilis gawirva SeuZlia da aranairi<br />

racionaluri arCevnis Sanss ar<br />

gitoveben? da ratom gikvirT,<br />

rodesac qarizmatulebis mxardam-<br />

Werebi ase svamen kiTxvas: zviadi<br />

Tu ara, vin? eduardi Tu ara, vin?<br />

miSa Tu ara, vin? axlac xom egre<br />

ismis: biZina Tu ara, vin?<br />

Cven yoveli arCevnebis win visaxavT<br />

araswor mizans, _ davamxoT<br />

qarizmatuli da avirCioT `axali~<br />

qarizmatuli. visaxavT mcdar mizans,<br />

sadac mTavaria persona da<br />

pragmatuli, racioanaluri mizani<br />

_ saxelmwifo _ measexarisxovani<br />

xdeba.<br />

***<br />

politika ar aris utopiuri<br />

gadawyvetileba da misi mTavari<br />

sazrisi aris kompromisi da konsensusi,<br />

rac niSnavs yvela mxaris<br />

daTmobaze wasvlas. Sedegad, arc<br />

erTi mxare rCeba srulad kmayofili.<br />

magram es Sedegi udavod<br />

ukeTesia mis alternativaze - sisxlisRvrasa<br />

da sisastikeze. CvenTan<br />

damkvidrebuli kliSe, rom politika<br />

binZuri saqmea yvelaze metad<br />

politikosebs awyobT, rom am<br />

sivrceSi `sufTa~, ucxo, sxva, gonieri<br />

da niWieri adamianebi ar<br />

SeuSvan da xalxs mxolod binZuri<br />

arCevani gaakeTebinon mudam _<br />

cudsa da uaress Soris.<br />

imis nacvlad, rom politikosebma<br />

xalxi waaxalison, pativi scen<br />

politikas, rogorc aqtivobas<br />

da moamzadon isini, raTa sakuTari<br />

sazogadoebis politikur cxovrebaSi<br />

CaerTon, riyaven maT am sivrcidan<br />

da mxolod arCevnebis wina<br />

periodSi `eloliavebian~.<br />

bernard kriks politikis mTavar<br />

mtrad miaCnda `nebismier fasad<br />

Tavdajerebuli yofnis survili~.<br />

kriki acxadebda, rom es mravali<br />

formiTaa gamoxatuli, maT<br />

Soris: politikuri ideologebis<br />

macdunebeli gavlena, demokratiis<br />

brma ndoba, mZvinvare nacionalizmis<br />

gavlena da Sepireba, gamoaaSkaraos<br />

obieqturi simarTle.<br />

Cven dRes vcxovrobT metwilad<br />

iseT sazogadoebaSi, romelic<br />

polarizebulia. am sazogadoebaSi<br />

mTavari niSanTvisebaa calkeuli<br />

didi jgufebis meqanikuri solidaroba.<br />

raoden gasakviric ar unda<br />

iyos, am polarizebuli sazogadoebis<br />

SigniT arseboben organuli<br />

solidarobis mqone jgufebic.<br />

`Cven arasodes<br />

dagvisaxavs gamarjveba<br />

miznis misaRwevad, mudam<br />

gvgonia, rom mizani<br />

`viRacis~ damarcxebiT<br />

miiRweva. ratom? imitom,<br />

rom Tavad mizani ar<br />

viciT, ra gvaqvs~<br />

ukiduresad aris aRreuli Rirebulebebic<br />

ki. erTi mxriv, meqanikuri<br />

solidarobis sazogadoebis<br />

warmomadgenlebi Zalian hgvanan<br />

erTmaneTs. isini miiCneven, rom yvelas<br />

unda hqondes erTi moraluri<br />

standarti da kanoni maTi Sexedulebebis<br />

mowinaaRmdege sazogadoebrivi<br />

jgufis mimarT unda iyos<br />

represiuli. magram raoden<br />

gasakviric ar unda gaxldeT, sakuTari<br />

jgufis mimarT isini restituciuli<br />

(Zveli uflebrivi mdgomareobis<br />

aRdgena, _ red.) samarTlis<br />

momxreni arian. organuli<br />

solidarobis jgufi cdilobs,<br />

daemorCilos samarTals da da-<br />

JinebiT moiTxovs restituciuli<br />

samarTlis gatarebas yvela sferoSi,<br />

magram nebismieri xelsayreli<br />

situaciis dros mzad aris, moiTxovos<br />

mowinaaRmdegis mimarT represiuli<br />

samarTlis normebis gamoyeneba.<br />

qarTuli sazogadoeba jerac<br />

ver Camoyalibda RirebulebiT er-<br />

Tobaze, Tundac samarTalTan mimarTebiT<br />

da mis gaazrebaSi Cven<br />

viRebT viTarebas, rodesac Zalian<br />

advili xdeba Cveni emociebiT manipulireba.<br />

rodesac racionalurs<br />

erTi `jigruli~ urapatriotuli<br />

spiCi acamtverebs _ mTavaria,<br />

am spiCSi mtris ganadgurebaze,<br />

mis znedacemulobasa da mankierebebze<br />

iyos saubari. ra ginda,<br />

rom qna? rogor ginda, xalxi gazardo?<br />

xalxi, romlis amocana da<br />

mizanic pirovnebebis damarcxebaa<br />

da ara _ saxelmwifos gamarjveba.<br />

aseTi mocemulobis dros viRebT<br />

viTarebas, `rodesac sazogadoeba<br />

itanjeba, igi cdilobs ipovos<br />

vinme, visac pasuxs mosTxovs<br />

Tavisi avadmyofobis gamo, romelsac<br />

daabralebs Tavis ubedobas: da<br />

isini, vinc ukve diskriminebulia<br />

(an marginalizebuli, _ avt.) xalxis<br />

mier, ganwirulni arian am<br />

rolisTvis~ (stiven lukesi).<br />

asea zustad. Cveni politikursazogadoebrivi<br />

sadomazoxisturi<br />

ego, igi xom sxvas araferis moiTxovs<br />

_ datanjos da daitanjos, gaasazizRros<br />

da gasazizRrdes, antkinos<br />

da itkinos da am yvelafer-<br />

Si swori miznis gansazRvra mar-<br />

Tlac rom Znelia.<br />

***<br />

gana, rame vTqvi axali da gansakuTrebuli?<br />

_ es yvelaferi viciT.<br />

ubralod, aRiareba gviWirs.<br />

gviWirs, sakuTar Tavs gamovutydeT,<br />

gviWirs, gadaveCvioT am politikur<br />

BDSM (fsiqoseqsualuri<br />

subkultura, dafuZnebuli erotikuli<br />

Zalauflebis monacvleobaze<br />

seqsualur urTierTobebSi,<br />

rolebis cvla mbrZanebelsa da<br />

morCils Soris: BD _ dabma, disciplina;<br />

DM _ dominacia, morCileba;<br />

SM _ sadomazoxizmi, _ red.)<br />

TamaSebs _ ar gveTmoba, gvsiamovnebs<br />

da Tan gveSinia. gveSinia,<br />

radgan ukeTesis gamocdileba ar<br />

gagvaCnia da arc survili _ gamovcadoT.<br />

iqneb, gvaqvs kidec, magram<br />

cudi rom aRmoCndes? ar jobia,<br />

ase, kaxa benduqiZis ar iyos,<br />

funaSi Tbilad visxdeT?<br />

***<br />

ho, im filmis siuJets davubrundeT,<br />

ra unda gaakeTos mamam<br />

an ra unda gaekeTebina mas? dameTanxmeT,<br />

urTulesi mocemulobaa.<br />

magram am gamouval viTarebaSic<br />

xom arsebobs arCevanis SesaZlebloba?<br />

gana, Tavad RmerTs ar mouwia<br />

aseTi arCevanis gakeTeba, rodesac<br />

noes kidobnis gakeTeba ubrZana?<br />

gana, yvela miuteveblad codvili<br />

iyo noes ojaxis garda, vinc<br />

warRvnam imsxverpla?<br />

amitom arCevani yovelTvis arsebobs<br />

da maSinac ki, rodesac Cven<br />

30 welia, qarizmatul liderebs<br />

`vpoulobT~. gana, `Cvens Svilebs~<br />

Soris vpoulobT maT? _ ara, mudam<br />

sxvaSi veZebT xsnas. viSvilebT, CavacvamT,<br />

davapurebT da mere Cvenive<br />

xeliT vgudavT, vaxrCobT, vklavT.<br />

raRac etapze rolebs vcvliT,<br />

politikosebi xdebian Cven nacvlad<br />

mazoxistebi da Cven _ sadistebi.<br />

mere, isev da isev, vubrundebiT<br />

Cvens `bunebriv~ mdgomareobas.<br />

saxelmwifos winsvlisTvis, misi<br />

ganviTarebisTvis SeuZlebelia, mizani<br />

vinmes damarcxeba iyos; Seu-<br />

Zlebelia, mizani iyos: `yvelas minus<br />

erTi~; SeuZlebelia; `jer es<br />

davamarcxoT da mere movrigdeT~<br />

iyos swori formula.<br />

gamoviareT es gza samjer _<br />

`yvelam~ daamarcxa zviadi da mere<br />

erTmaneTs daeria; `yvelam~ daamarcxa<br />

SevardnaZe da mere erTmaneTs<br />

daeria; `yvelam~ daamarcxa miSa da<br />

mere erTmaneTs daeria. daviRaleT<br />

mudam viRacis damarcxebiT, gesmiT?<br />

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da Tan ara vinmesi _ yvelas _<br />

saxelmwifos gamarjveba!<br />

radgan saubari filmiT daviwye,<br />

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minda, saTauris garda: Tu<br />

Cven ar gvecodineba, rom arsebobs<br />

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mivaRwevT. Tu Cven ar gvecodineba,<br />

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racionaluri xelisuflebis, anu<br />

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dasruldeba!~<br />

moZraobaSi vibrZoleb romelic<br />

saqarTveloSi alternatiuli Zalis<br />

Camosayalibeblad iRvawebs.<br />

_ anu `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

SigniT alternatiuli Zalis<br />

Camoyalibebas apirebT?<br />

_ ara. axali saxeebis moZiebaSi<br />

`daicavi saqarTvelosac~ davexmarebi<br />

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amis gakeTeba marto `daicavi<br />

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konsultacia yvela ZalasTan<br />

meqneba, oRond xazgsmiT vacxadeb<br />

_ mxolod prodasavlur ZalebTan.<br />

_ `nacionaluri moZraobac~<br />

prodasavluri Zalaa. konsulta-<br />

ciebi masTanac geqnebaT?<br />

_ ara! `nacmoZraobis~ garda<br />

yvela prodasavlur ZalasTan meqneba<br />

konsultacia, rom saqarTveloSi<br />

mesame Zala Seiqmnas! `nacmoZraoba~<br />

da `evronacebi~ mesame<br />

Zalas ver warmoqmnian, radgan orive<br />

`nacionaluri moZraobaa~ _ `na-<br />

`daicavi saqarTvelo~ mesame politikuri<br />

centris formirebas damoukideblad,<br />

jerjerobiT, ver SeZlebs. `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />

mesame centrs sazogadoebasa da danarCen<br />

politikur speqtrTan erTad Seqmnis moaxerxebs~<br />

cmoZraoba 1" da `nacmoZraoba 2".<br />

_ mokled, dRes kaxa miqaia ise<br />

moqmedebs, rogorc damoukidebe-<br />

li politikosi?<br />

_ diax, diax. Cemi SesaZleblobebis<br />

farglebSi, pirvel rigSi, Cems<br />

kuTxeSi, sadac Zalian mZime viTarebaa<br />

da mere, mTel saqarTveloSi<br />

imisTvis vizruneb, rom mesame alternatiuli<br />

Zala Camoyalibdes.<br />

_ dRes axal-axali partiisa Tu<br />

samoqalaqo moZraobis Seqmna<br />

moduria. Tqvenc rame partias an<br />

moZraobas xom ar daafuZnebT?<br />

_ ara. yovel SemTxvevaSi, axali<br />

moZraobis Seqmnaze, jerjerobiT,<br />

ar vfiqrob, magram ar gamovricxav,<br />

rom sxva politikur ZalebTan<br />

erTad axali mesame Zalis CamoyalibebaSi<br />

monawileoba mec miviRo!<br />

_ keTili, magram axla mwvave<br />

kiTxvas dagisvamT: mxolod sa-<br />

zogadoebis ki ara, politikuri<br />

elitis nawilic miiCnevs, rom `da-<br />

icavi saqarTvelos~ ukan biZina<br />

ivaniSvili dgas. kaxa miqaia is<br />

politikosia, romelic `ocnebas~<br />

wlebis winaT gaemijna. mokled,<br />

`daicavi saqarTvelodan~ Tqveni<br />

wamosvlis mizezi is xom ar gaxda,<br />

rom am organizacias ukan Sesa-<br />

Zloa, ivaniSvili idges?<br />

_ SemiZlia, Zalian mokled da<br />

darwmunebiT giTxraT, rom `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelos~ ukan biZina<br />

ivaniSvili ar dgas!<br />

_ davuSvaT, asea, magram bolo<br />

satelevizio gamosvlis dros iva-<br />

niSvilma yvelaze msubuqad daviT<br />

maRraZe gaakritika, ramac arsebu-<br />

li eWvi kidev ufro gaaZliera.<br />

_ es baton biZinas hkiTxeT, Tan<br />

ar mgonia, rom maRraZe msubuqad<br />

gaakritika.<br />

_ gubaz sanikiZes Tu gia xuxaSvils<br />

sul `nacionalebTan~ Sek-<br />

rulebi eZaxa, maRraZeze ki, ubralod,<br />

Tqva, gamikvirda, opozicia-<br />

Si rom wavida da ar davijereo.<br />

es msubuqi kritika ar aris?<br />

_ SemiZlia, is giTxraT, rac<br />

vici: `daicavi saqarTvelos~ biZina<br />

ivaniSvilTan aranairi kavSiri<br />

ar aqvs! Tu sazogadoebas amis eWvi<br />

gauCnda, gasagebia _ samwuxarod,<br />

qarTuli sazogadoeba eWviania,<br />

magram ra vqna? geubnebiT, rom<br />

`daicavi saqarTvelos~ ukan biZina<br />

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saxeebiT verafers gaxdeba!~<br />

ivaniSvili ar dgas!<br />

_ gasagebia, magram isev im Te-<br />

mas vubrundebi, riTac interviu<br />

daviwyeT _ organizaciis gaaqti-<br />

urebamde rom visaubreT, sul<br />

sxva energia gqondaT da `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelozec~ did imeds am-<br />

yarebdiT...<br />

_ dResac igive energia maqvs.<br />

ubralod, davinaxe, rom `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelos~ is aklda, razec gesaubreT,<br />

anu vfiqrobdi, rom axali<br />

saxeebi iqnebodnen, magram, jerjerobiT,<br />

es axali saxeebi ar arian,<br />

piriqiT.<br />

_ mec mand var, rom `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelo~ Zveli saxeebis na-<br />

krebia. hoda, axal saxeebze maSin<br />

ar unda gefiqraT, vidre filar-<br />

moniaSi SeikribebodiT da moZraobas<br />

gacocxlebulad gamoacx-<br />

adebdiT?<br />

_ ki batono, Zalian legitimuri<br />

kiTxvaa... me es sakiTxi davsvi, magram<br />

axali saxeebi, jerjerobiT,<br />

ar arian, Tumca amis survili<br />

moZraobis wevrebs aqvT.<br />

_ is momentic xom ar iyo, rom<br />

axalma saxeebma `daicavi saqarTve-<br />

losTan~ komunikaciaze uari<br />

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eZebs, magram irakli RaribaSil-<br />

isa da lado kaxaZis meti veravin<br />

ipova.<br />

_ gasagebia, magram Sen xom unda<br />

izruno?<br />

_ anu vinmes SesTavazeT da<br />

uari miiReT?<br />

_ SeTavazeba, ra Tqma unda,<br />

gvqonda. es moZraoba, darwmunebuli<br />

var, axal saxeebs aucileblad<br />

moizidavs. Cemi gadawyvetilebiT<br />

amis impulsi miveci da aq gaugebari<br />

ra aris?<br />

_ kargi, yvelaferi gasagebia,<br />

magram Tu axal saxed, magaliTad,<br />

vato SaqaraSvils miiCnevT, am<br />

Temaze saubris gagrZeleba, mgo-<br />

ni, arc Rirs.<br />

_ aqcents im axalgazrdebze<br />

vakeTeb, romlebsac mec vicnob da<br />

`daicavi saqarTvelos~ sxva wevrebic<br />

icnoben.<br />

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Zveli moZraoba da misi Zveli wevrebi,<br />

romlebmac yvelaferi es daviwyeT,<br />

gasagebia, magram axali saxeebi<br />

da maTiT `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

ganaxleba aucilebelia-meTqi.<br />

es iyo Cemi gancxadebis motivacia<br />

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gaugebari ra aris?<br />

`mTavari is aris, rom sandra rulovsis<br />

kalTas amofarebulma mixeil saakaSvilma<br />

samegreloSi saimiso placdarmi Seqmnas, rom<br />

biZina ivaniSvili sabolood daamarcxos da<br />

xelisuflebaSi TviTon dabrundes! ~<br />

_ gaugebari, weRandeli Tqmisa<br />

ar iyos, araferia, magram legit-<br />

imuri kiTxvebi Cndeba.<br />

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ukve vupasuxe:<br />

pirveli _ `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

ukan biZina ivaniSvili ar<br />

dgas.<br />

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saxeebia saWiro. axal Taobas<br />

asparezs imitom vuTmob, rom `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelo~ Zveli saxeebiT<br />

da moZraobis Zveli wesebiT verafers<br />

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saWiro.<br />

rac Seexeba biZina ivaniSvils, is<br />

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rogorc daviwyeT `daicavi saqar-<br />

Tvelos~ gacocxleba _ am proces-<br />

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`daicavi saqarTvelos~ ukan ivaniSvili<br />

ar dgas! meti ra giTxraT?<br />

_ sxvaTa Soris, `daicavi saqar-<br />

Tvelos~ filarmoniaSi gamarTul<br />

Sekrebas levan gaCeCilaZe ar daeswro.<br />

is Tqveni megobaria. mogex-<br />

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bas ar eswreba, yrilobidan meore<br />

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lo damTxvevaa da meti araferi?<br />

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_ avadaa. im dilas levans pirdad<br />

velaparake da miTxra, SeuZlod<br />

var da ver movdivaro. me arafers<br />

vmalav da Jurnalistebsac vuTxari<br />

amis Sesaxeb!<br />

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yofiliyo, 13 aprils filarmoni-<br />

aSi movidoda?<br />

_ diax, is `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

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iyo. sxvaTa Soris, Jurnalistebma<br />

zaza SaTiriSvilzec<br />

mkiTxes, magram masze araferi vicodi<br />

_ masTan kontaqti ar mqonda.<br />

levanma ki is miTxra, rac Jurnalistebs<br />

vuTxari.<br />

_ sanam filarmoniaSi Seikribe-<br />

bodiT, ambobdiT, rom `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelos~ gacocxlebam `nacqocebis~<br />

botebis gaRizianeba gam-<br />

oiwvia. maSin imasac imedovnebdiT,<br />

rom es dakonservebuli organizacia<br />

qarTul politikas aaduRebda,<br />

magram ase ar moxda. metic, fi-<br />

larmoniis Sekrebis mere erTi<br />

gancxadebac ar gaukeTebia. Tqve-<br />

ni azriT, `daicavi saqarTvelom~<br />

iseTi ra SeiZleba gaakeTos, rac<br />

politikas, anu am SemTxvevaSi,<br />

`ocnebasac~ da `nacmoZraobasac~<br />

simSvide daurRvios?<br />

_ ar vici, `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />

qarTul politikur speqtrs ras<br />

SesTavazebs, magram sanam qarTul<br />

politikur speqtrs rame siaxles<br />

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TviTon unda ganaxldes da siaxle,<br />

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is, rom `qoc-nacuri~ jado wridan<br />

unda gamovideT, axali ar aris<br />

da am ideaSi daTo maRraZes veTanxmebi,<br />

magram vnaxoT, moqmedebis<br />

gegma rogori iqneba da sazogadoebas<br />

axals ras SesTavazebs.<br />

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xarT, rom `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />

axali saxeebiT gamdidrdeba da am<br />

axali saxeebis wyalobiT mesame<br />

politikuri centris formirebas<br />

SeZlebs?<br />

_ `daicavi saqarTvelo~ mesame<br />

politikuri centris formirebas<br />

damoukideblad, jerjerobiT, ver<br />

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centrs sazogadoebasa da danarCen<br />

politikur speqtrTan er-<br />

Tad Seqmnis.<br />

_ ise Tu moxda da zugdidis<br />

meris arCevnebSi gaerTianebuli<br />

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gaimarjvebs, es xom erTgvari<br />

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doebas aRarc `ocneba~ unda,<br />

aRarc _ `daicavi saqarTvelo~ da<br />

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ri partiebi moiyvanos?<br />

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Tianebuli opoziciis kandidati<br />

gaimarjvebs, pirdapir geubnebiT:<br />

es katastrofa iqneba!<br />

_ ukacravad, Tu xalxi sandra<br />

rulovsis sasargeblod gaakeTebs<br />

arCevans, es katastrofa ratom<br />

iqneba? liderebi xalxze maRla<br />

ratom dgebiT?<br />

_ ara, xalxze maRla ar vdgebi!<br />

ra ufleba maqvs, rom xalxze maRla<br />

davdge?<br />

Tu es xalxis arCevani iqneba da<br />

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moZraobisTvis~ zugdidis<br />

meroba meorexarisxovania. mTavari<br />

is aris, rom sandra rulovsis<br />

kalTas amofarebulma mixeil<br />

saakaSvilma samegreloSi saimiso<br />

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da xelisuflebaSi TviTon dabrundes!<br />

aq sxva motivacias ver vxedav da<br />

arc arsebobs. amitom vambob, rom<br />

es qarTuli saxelmwifosa da sazogadoebisTvis<br />

katastrofa iqneba,<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom sandras<br />

xalxi miscems xmas!<br />

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_ im warsulSi dabruneba, romelsac<br />

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moZraoba~, mixeil saakaSvili da<br />

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romelsac momavali ar gaaCnia!<br />

kidev erTi mTavari sakiTxi,<br />

romelzedac weRan visaubreT: sandra<br />

rulovsis zugdidSi gamarjveba<br />

mesame politikuri centris<br />

erovnul ideas saerTod daasamarebs,<br />

anu arCevani isev `nacionalur<br />

moZraobasa~ da `qarTul ocnebas~<br />

Soris darCeba da isev am<br />

jado wreSi vitrialebT!<br />

_ rac Seexeba `daicavi saqar-<br />

Tvelos~, Cveni gamocemis mTavar-<br />

ma redaqtorma, eliso kilaZem,<br />

eqskluziuri infrmacia gaavrce-<br />

la, romlis Tanaxmadac, aw ukve<br />

Tqveni organizaciis filarmoni-<br />

is Sekreba `kanonierma qurdebma~<br />

daafinanses. eliso kilaZem eka be-<br />

seliasa da erT-erTi kriminalis<br />

erToblivi fotoc gamoaqveyna..<br />

_ warmoidgineT, rom amis Sesaxeb<br />

presiT gavigeT. yvela Jurnalists<br />

vuTxari da Tqvenc geubnebiT,<br />

rom `daicavi saqarTvelos~ am yrilobis<br />

organizebaSi monawileoba<br />

ar mimiRia. amitom ar vici, darbazis<br />

fuli vin gadaixada da, saer-<br />

Tod, ra finansebi iyo saWiro.<br />

ratom ar mivida levan gaCeCilaZe<br />

organizaciis yrilobaze?<br />

_ filarmoniis daqiraveba sak-<br />

maod Zviri siamovnebaa.<br />

_ arc es vici da SegiZliaT, im<br />

adamianebs hkiTxoT, vinc es gaakeTa.<br />

_ yrilobis organizebaSi<br />

monawileoba ratom ar miiReT?<br />

_ jer erTi, TbilisSi ar viyavi.<br />

meorec, CemTvis ar ukiTxavT da<br />

arc me miviCnie saWirod, ariqa,<br />

unda vicode, darbazs rogor<br />

qiraobT da am Tanxas vin ixdismeTqi.<br />

_ anu `daicavi saqarTvelos~<br />

liderSifidan yrilobamde gag-<br />

TiSes?<br />

_ ara, aravis gavuTiSivar. liderebisTvis<br />

rom mekiTxa, ra xdeba-meTqi,<br />

amas gavigebdi, magram,<br />

ubralod, ar davinteresdi.<br />

TbilisSic ar vyofilvar. Zalian<br />

kargad iciT, rom `daicavi saqarTvelo~<br />

marto zugdidSi funqcionirebda.<br />

yrilobaze zugdididan<br />

megobrebTan erTad Camovedi.<br />

_ mgoni, SemTxveviT ar gausviT<br />

xazi, rom amdeni xnis ganmavloba-<br />

Si `daicavi saqarTvelo~ marto<br />

zugdidSi funqcionirebda. diax,<br />

gidasturebT, rom bolo wuTam-<br />

de am organizacias mxolod Tqven<br />

acocxlebdiT da axla, roca `da-<br />

icavi saqarTvelo~ datoveT, e. i.,<br />

raRac xdeba. sxvaTa Soris, `da-<br />

icavi saqarTvelos~ saakaSvilis<br />

prezidentobis drosac xSirad<br />

tovebdnen wevrebi. 2013 wels ki<br />

mediaSi is informaciac gaJRerda,<br />

rom am organizaciis gacocx-<br />

lebas TiTqos gia xuxaSvili api-<br />

rebda, romelic maSin premier<br />

ivaniSvilis mrCeveli iyo.<br />

_ aseTi raRac ar vici.<br />

_ Tqven ar iciT, magram imas<br />

geubnebiT, rasac qarTuli presis<br />

arqivi inaxavs.<br />

_ ar vici, vin ras ityvis. mgoni,<br />

naTlad agixseniT, is gancxadeba,<br />

romelic gavakeTe, ratomac gavakeTe.<br />

Tqvens kiTxvebsac gulwrfelad<br />

vupasuxe da vnaxoT, movlenebi<br />

`daicavi saqarTvelos~ irgvliv<br />

rogor ganviTardeba.<br />

aseve sainteresoa, qarTuli sazogadoeba<br />

rogor SeZlebs, rom am<br />

jado wridan gamovides. giTxariT,<br />

rom am jado wridan gamosvlis<br />

procesSi aqtiurad miviReb monawileobas.<br />

_ mas Semdeg, rac `daicavi<br />

saqarTvelo~ datoveT, daviT maR-<br />

raZesTan komunikacia gqondaT?<br />

_ diax, erTmaneTs davurekeT.<br />

kidev geubnebiT, iseTi araferi<br />

momxdara. SeiZleba, Jurnalistebsa<br />

da sazogadoebis wevrebs gaukvirdaT,<br />

Torem Cven megobrebi varT,<br />

urTierTobas vagrZelebT.<br />

_ Tu mesame Zala ver Seiqmneba,<br />

rogor fiqrobT, qarTul poli-<br />

tikas ra elis?<br />

_ Tu mesame Zala ver Seiqmneba,<br />

maSin qarTuli politika am jado<br />

wreSi CarCeba da saqarTveloSi<br />

politika sabolood dasruldeba!<br />

yvelafer amiT ki saqarTvelo damarcxdeba<br />

imitom, rom jado wreSi<br />

triali Waobisa da damarcxebis<br />

sawindaria!<br />

qarTuli sazogadoeba rom ganviTardes,<br />

qveyanac ganaviTaros da<br />

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amisTvis saWiroa, rom am<br />

jado wridan amovideT! sxva SemTxvevaSi<br />

gamarjveba ar gviweria!<br />

_ bolos, miTxariT, es jado<br />

wre biZina ivaniSvils ufro awy-<br />

obs Tu mixeil saakaSvils?<br />

_ orives.<br />

_ ratom?<br />

_ am jado wreSi ori monawile<br />

da subieqtia _ mixeil saakaSvili<br />

da biZina ivaniSvili. isini yovel-<br />

Tvis am jado wreSi itrialeben.<br />

damarcxebuli da pirSi Calagamovlebuli<br />

ki qarTuli saxelmwifo<br />

da sazogadoeba darCeba!<br />

ise, yvelafer amis gamo pesimisturi<br />

ganwyoba maqvs. minda, es qveyana<br />

ganviTardes da CvenTvis uke-<br />

Tesi iqneba, rom evrokavSirisa da<br />

natos wevrebi rac SeiZleba male<br />

gavxdeT. ra Tqma unda, pesimisturad<br />

var ganwyobili, magram momavals<br />

imedis TvaliT Sevyureb!<br />

saerTod, bunebiT pesimisti ar<br />

var. amitom, vimedovneb, qarTuli<br />

sazogadoeba am jado wres daZlevs<br />

da im mizans miaRwevs, razedac<br />

didi xania, vfiqrob.<br />

_ da es mizani ra aris?<br />

_ Rirseuli adgili civilizebul<br />

samyaroSi!<br />

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21-e gverdidan<br />

- arasdros, arc erT rus politikoss<br />

an xelisuflebasTan<br />

daaxloebul eqsperts an Jurnalists<br />

arsad ar uTqvams, rom kremli<br />

mzadaa aseTi garigebisTvis.<br />

metic: putinsac da medvedevsac<br />

araerTxel araorjer da araaTjer<br />

aqvT naTqvami, _ saqarTvelo<br />

unda Seeguos axal realobas. naTqvamia<br />

gasagebad, Ria teqstiT. ratom<br />

aris am situaciaSi burjana-<br />

Zis an ada marSanias sityvebi ufro<br />

damarwmunebeli, vidre Tavad<br />

putinisa da medvedevis ganmartebebi<br />

_ gaugebaria. amis asaxsnelad<br />

saWiroa ara politologi, aramed<br />

_ fsiqiatri.<br />

isev qarTuli infantilizmi _<br />

TeTrze jiutad Savis darqmeva<br />

wlebis manZilze. ase iqcevian bav-<br />

Svebi, rodesac stresul situaciaSi<br />

qmnian sakuTar, iluzorul<br />

samyaros. amitomac Zalian kargi,<br />

saakaSvilma rusebs es garigeba<br />

rom SesTavaza. kidev erTxel gavigeT,<br />

rom natoSi Sesvla-arSesvla<br />

arafers cvlis. natoze uari<br />

Tu vTqviT, xval aucileblad mogviwevs<br />

uaris Tqma kidev rameze.<br />

Tanac aranair teritoriebs amis<br />

sanacvlod Cven aravin dagvibrunebs.<br />

ruseTi aris imperia da yvela<br />

imperias aqvs Tavisi Rirsebis kodeqsi,<br />

romelsac qarTveli vaipolitikosi<br />

da bazris movaWre ver<br />

gaigebs. am kodeqsis erT-erTi nawilia<br />

is, rom imperia arasdros<br />

vaWrobs mokavSireebiT. miT umetes,<br />

iseT umniSvnelo moTamaSesTan,<br />

rogoric saqarTveloa.<br />

_ zogadad, ruseTma icis, ra<br />

unda saqarTvelosgan? an arse-<br />

bobs ase dogmaturad gansaz-<br />

Rvruli mocemuloba _ ra unda<br />

da ras gverCis?<br />

_ ra Tqma unda, icis. ruseTs<br />

ar sWirdeba ssrk-s aRdgena, miT<br />

umetes, romelime yofili sabWo-<br />

Ta respublika Tavis SemadgenlobaSi.<br />

xval saqarTvelo rom prorusuli<br />

saxelmwifo gaxdes, garegnulad<br />

araferi Seicvleba. qveyenaSi<br />

ar idgeba rusuli jari,<br />

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ruseTisTvis mTavaria<br />

gavlena da TamaSis wesebi. saqar-<br />

TveloSi unda iyos rusul yaidaze<br />

awyobili marTvis sistema, ideurad<br />

axlo adamianebi xelmZRvanelobaSi<br />

da aucilebelia erTguleba<br />

ritorikis doneze.<br />

SesaZlebelia, vinmes es umniSvnelod<br />

moeCvenos, Tumca esaa<br />

rusuli imperializmis damaxasiaTebeli<br />

Tviseba _ is arasdros<br />

eZebs materialur mogebas koloniebisgan<br />

da isini rusebs sWirdebaT<br />

sakuTaris egos dasakmayofileblad.<br />

isini mzad arian finansurad<br />

izaralon, oRond igrZnon,<br />

rom maT `isev pativs scems<br />

mTeli msoflio~.<br />

_ dameTanxme, esec erTgvari<br />

axirebaa?<br />

_ diax, rusebic xom Taviseburad<br />

patara bavSvebi arian, oRond<br />

qarTvelebisgan gansxvavebiT, borotebi,<br />

saSiSebi da mravalricxovnebi.<br />

nu eZebT rusul politikaSi<br />

kargad gaTvlil logikas.<br />

is ar arsebobs. realuri faqtorebi<br />

ki _ iseTi, rogorc aris<br />

gazisa da navTobis transportirebis<br />

marSrutebis gakontroleba,<br />

saboloo jamSi, emsaxureba<br />

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telefoniT xelSi da viRacas bolo xmaze eCxubeba, rogorc wesi,<br />

umniSvnelo mizezebis gamo. saqarTvelo aris unikaluri qveyana - aq<br />

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politikaSi amJamad arsebul vi-<br />

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erda da is verafers axals ver<br />

sTavazobs sazogadoebas?<br />

_ qarTul politikaSic qar-<br />

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bavSvebi.<br />

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garda moeZebnos raime logikuri,<br />

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axsna imas, rac axla xdeba<br />

avlabris prezidentis sasaxlis<br />

irgvliv? gabutulebi ar Sedian<br />

SenobaSi, Tumca xvdebian, rom<br />

saWiroa da amitom erTdroulad<br />

inaxaven or Senobas _ aTonelisa<br />

da avlabris rezidencias. arsebobs<br />

qveyana germania, sadac cxovroben<br />

germanelebi _ Zalian<br />

Wkviani da seriozuli xalxi. dRes<br />

qveynis parlamenti raixstagSi<br />

muSaobs, anu SenobaSi, sadac 1933-<br />

1945 wlebSi muSaobda hitleri.<br />

ratomRac, arc erT germanels ar<br />

mosvlia azrad am Senobis dacarieleba<br />

im mizeziT, rom is `borotebis<br />

simboloa~. ai, ase iqcevian<br />

zrdasruli erebi da maTi<br />

zrdasruli politikosebi.<br />

qarTuli politika iseTive infantiluria,<br />

rogorc qarTuli<br />

sazogadoebis nawili. ra Tqma<br />

unda, gansxvaveba arsebobs. magaliTad,<br />

`qocebs~ marTva saerTod ar<br />

SeuZliaT, `nacebs~ _ ukeTesad<br />

SeuZliaT, Sesabamisad, `qocebis~<br />

dros aris sruli qaosi, `nacebis~<br />

dros qaosi iqneba naklebi.<br />

Tumca, saboloo jamSi, politikac<br />

da qveynis Senebac xalxis<br />

xelSia da ara _ politikosebs.<br />

sanam qveyana da eri ar gaizrdeba<br />

_ Tvisobrivi winsvla ar iqneba<br />

arc politikaSi, arc ekonomikaSi<br />

da saerTod arsad.<br />

_ politikuri aqtorebi obivatels,<br />

sazogadoebas, amomrCev-<br />

els eubnebian da es maT qmede-<br />

bebSi Cans, rom politikaSi gama-<br />

rjvebis sawindaria agresia. am<br />

fonze amomrCevelic emorCileba<br />

politikuri subieqtebis nebas da<br />

arCevans kvlav da kvlav akeTebs<br />

ara politikuri programebisa da<br />

dapirebebis safuZvelze, aramed<br />

sakuTar TavSi Camoyalibebuli<br />

stigmebis kvalobaze. politiku-<br />

ri velidan realurad gaqra go-<br />

niereba da Cven politikosebis<br />

spontanurobis, xSir SemTxvevaSi,<br />

maTi vnebebisa da merkantiluri<br />

zraxvebis damakmayofilebeli in-<br />

strumentebi vxdebiT. aris raime<br />

saxis gamosavali am mojadoebu-<br />

li wridan, sadac sxvas yvelafers<br />

rom Tavi davaneboT, person-<br />

ebic ki ar icvlebian, azrsa da<br />

ideaze xom saubaric zedmetia?<br />

_ gamosavali igivea: rac eri _<br />

is beri. qarTvelebs ver eyolebaT<br />

germanuli tipis politikosebi _<br />

amisTvis saqarTveloSi arasakmarisi<br />

germanelia. agresiuloba da<br />

spontanuroba aris qarTuli cx-<br />

`sinamdvileSi, gza natosken<br />

ufro mniSvnelovania, vidre<br />

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saqarTvelosnair, realobebs<br />

Soris gaWedili qveynisTvis<br />

aucilebelia raRac didi,<br />

Tundac Znelad misaRwevi<br />

mizani - swored aseTi<br />

miznebi axdens qveynebis<br />

gadaqcevas gaurkveveli<br />

teritoriebidan<br />

saxelmwifoebad. es aris<br />

erTgvari erovnuli<br />

ideologia~<br />

ovrebis wesis ori burji, amitomac<br />

politika Sesabamisia.<br />

kidev erTxel gavimeoreb: mTeli<br />

qveyana cxovrobs Cxubis, gawev-gamowevisa,<br />

da dedis ginebis<br />

reJimSi. tipuri qarTuli scena _<br />

Sua quCaSi dgas viRac kaci an<br />

qali, mobiluri telefoniT xel-<br />

Si da viRacas bolo xmaze eCxubeba,<br />

rogorc wesi, umniSvnelo mizezebis<br />

gamo. saqarTvelo aris unikaluri<br />

qveyana _ aq mkvlelobebis<br />

99%-is mizezia `Selaparakeba~<br />

_ ara bandituri garCevebi, ara<br />

fulis gayofa, ara eWvianoba,<br />

aramed _ `Selaparakeba~.<br />

Tqven gindaT, rom aseT qveyanaSi<br />

politika araagresiuli iyos?<br />

_ rogori iqneba 2020 wlisTvis<br />

qarTuli politikuri konfigu-<br />

racia da ramdenad Caereva ruse-<br />

Ti am konfiguraciis formireb-<br />

is procesSi?<br />

_ konfiguracia iqneba zustad<br />

iseTi. rogoric axlaa. araviTari<br />

mesame Zala ar iqneba da aqac vxvdebiT<br />

qarTul infantilizmisa<br />

da winaamRdegobas SexedulebebSi<br />

_ yvelas mobezrda Zveli saxeebi,<br />

Tumca rogorc ki gaCndeba axali<br />

saxe _ sayveduroben, rom mas ar<br />

gaaCnia gamocdileba da mas aravin<br />

icnobs.<br />

es gaoreba SeuZlebels xdis<br />

axali politikosebis gamoCenas.<br />

amitomac yvelaferi isev itrialebs<br />

ori gigantis _ qocebisa da<br />

nacebis irgvliv.<br />

qocebis, aseve aqvT, rezervi<br />

`patriotTa aliansia~. am ori<br />

partiis urTierToba ukve daviwyebul<br />

duets waagavs: `moqalaqe-<br />

Ta kavSiri~ _ `aRorZineba~. ramdenic<br />

ar unda aginon erTmaneTs,<br />

ideuri da mentaluri siaxlove<br />

mainc Tavisas Svreba da saWiroebis<br />

SemTxvevaSi isini aucileblad<br />

dauWeren mxars erTmaneTs. igive<br />

SeiZleba iTqvas sawinaaRmdego banakSi<br />

myof monaTesave partiebze<br />

_ `nacmoZraobasa~ da `evropul<br />

saqarTveloze~.<br />

saboloo jamSi, xelisuflebis<br />

sakiTxi am or banaks Soris gadawydeba.<br />

rac Seexeba ruseTs, is moiqceva<br />

iseve, rogorc saprezidento<br />

arCevnebSi _ ar Caereva Riad da<br />

gaxsnilad, Tumca, ra Tqma unda,<br />

`qocebis~ gamarjveba maTTvis sasurveli<br />

iqneba.<br />

ar gamovricxav, Tuki `ocnebis~<br />

wageba realuri gaxdeba, moskovi,<br />

gafrTxilebis mizniT, droebiT<br />

SeaCerebs romelime qarTuli<br />

produqtis imports, _ moiqeciT<br />

wesierad, Torem bazars CagiketavT.<br />

_ dabolos, ra aris is erTi,<br />

ori an sami umTavresi komponen-<br />

ti, romelic aucilebelia qarT-<br />

uli saxelmwifos mdgradobis-<br />

Tvis da romlis gareSec saxelm-<br />

wifos ganviTareba, ubralod,<br />

SeuZlebelia? ra aris is umTavr-<br />

esi Rirebuleba, romelic yvela<br />

xelisuflebisTvis memkvidreob-<br />

iTobis princips unda atarebdes?<br />

_ saxelmwifoebrivi azrovneba<br />

aris pasuxismgebloba yvela doneze<br />

_ dawyebuli meezoviT, damTavrebuli<br />

qveynis xelmZRvanelobiT,<br />

da racionaluri azris dominireba<br />

emociebze.<br />

erTi sityviT, eri unda gamovides<br />

sabavSo baRis asakidan da<br />

wavides skolaSi.<br />

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gega silagava<br />

pankisis xeobaSi ganviTarebul<br />

movlenebTan dakavSirebiT `qronika+~<br />

eTnikur konfesiaTa centris<br />

xelmZRvanel lela jejela-<br />

vas esaubra:<br />

_ pankisSi ganviTarebulma mov-<br />

lenebma TvalnaTliv dagvanaxa,<br />

rom xelisufleba da misi institutebi<br />

ver axerxeben mosaxleobasTan<br />

normalur da civilize-<br />

bul urTierTobas. ra aris amis<br />

mizezi?<br />

_ Cven ukve viciT, rom sakuTar<br />

moqalaqeebTan komunikaciis unari<br />

ar aris `qarTuli ocnebis~ Zlieri<br />

mxare. metic, es aris gadaulaxavi<br />

barieri, romelic problemas uqmnis<br />

saxelmwifos da Tavad xelisuflebasc,<br />

oRond xelisuflebas<br />

amis gacnobierebis unaric ar<br />

Seswevs. yvela xelisuflebis aqilevsis<br />

qusli aris is, rom is saku-<br />

Tar politikur interesebsa da<br />

saxelmwifos interesebs Soris<br />

tolobis niSans svams. saxelmwifo<br />

bevrad ufro didi Rirebulebaa,<br />

vidre romelime konkretuli xelisufleba<br />

da misi interesi. saxelmwifo<br />

ar ekuTvnis mxolod xelisuflebas<br />

da mis momxreebs. saxelmwifo<br />

sistemis gamarTulobas<br />

swored is warmoaCens, ramdenad<br />

xerxdeba dapirispirebuli interesebis<br />

SeTanxmeba erTi da sayovelTao<br />

interesis _ saxelmwifos<br />

stabilurobisa da moqalaqeebis<br />

uflebebis garSemo. cxadia, saxelmwifos<br />

krizisul viTarebaSi Zalis<br />

gamoyenebis legitimuri ufleba<br />

aqvs, magram aseve aqvs pauxismgebloba,<br />

aqamde ar miiyvanos<br />

saqme.<br />

_ socialur mediaSi gamoiTq-<br />

va sxvadasxva mosazreba pankisSi<br />

ganviTarebul movlenebze. Tqven<br />

ra migaCniaT realur mizezad?<br />

_ mimaCnia, rom pankisis xeobas-<br />

Tan dakavSirebiT am xelisuflebam<br />

yvela is Secdoma gaimeora,<br />

rasac maTi winamorbedebi uSvebdnen.<br />

miuxedavad imisa, rom obieqtur<br />

mocemulobaTa gamo regioni<br />

Zalian mgrZnobiarea, misi mxolod<br />

usafrTxoebis konteqstSi ganxilva<br />

ar aris marTebuli. yvelam Zalian<br />

kargad viciT, vis interesebSi<br />

Sedis, rom pankisis xeoba mudmivad<br />

maRali riskebis mqone regionad<br />

iyos miCneuli. mTeli pasuxismgeblobiT<br />

SemiZlia vTqva, rom<br />

xelisuflebam didi Secdoma dauSva,<br />

rodesac hesebis mSeneblobas-<br />

Tan dakavSirebiT dialogi awarmoa<br />

mxolod sakuTar partiul aqtiv-<br />

Tan da mxardamWerebTan, maSin rodesac<br />

kargad icodnen, rom xeobis<br />

mosaxleobis didi nawili winaaRmdegi<br />

iyo am mSeneblobis. miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom Zalian yuradRebiT<br />

vadevneb Tvals xeobaSi mimdinare<br />

procesebs da hesebis mSeneblobasTan<br />

dakavSirebul viTarebas,<br />

ar Semxvedria xelisuflebis<br />

myari argumentebi _ aseTi winaaRmdegobis<br />

miuxedavad ratom aris<br />

aseT patara xeobaSi oTxi hesis<br />

mSenebloba aucilebeli, miT ufro,<br />

rogorc energetikosebi aRni-<br />

Snaven, energetikuli TvalsazrisiT<br />

es proeqtebi arcTu mniSvnelovania?<br />

an ratom aris SeuZlebeli<br />

pankisis xeobis ekosistemis<br />

SenarCunebiT ufro meti ekonomikuri<br />

dividendis miReba, vidre am<br />

hesebis mSeneblobiT? dResac,<br />

rodesac xeobaSi viTareba ukiduresad<br />

daZabulia da danis pirze<br />

gavdivarT, qalbaton ministrs,<br />

romlis moTxovniTac xeobaSi policiis<br />

razmebi Cavida, neba ar<br />

uboZebia da ar ganumartavs sazogadoebisTvis,<br />

ra gardauval aucileblobas<br />

warmoadgenda aseTi<br />

ukiduresi RonisZiebis gatareba.<br />

_ amavdroulad, CvenTvis cno-<br />

bilia, rom am sakiTxTan dakavSi-<br />

rebiT mimdinareobs sasamarTlo<br />

dava.<br />

_ diax da bunebrivad miCndeba<br />

kiTxva, _ ratom ar daeloda ekonomikuri<br />

gundi sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas<br />

pankisSi hesis mSeneblobasTan<br />

dakavSirebiT? ratom<br />

ar amowures adgilobriv mosaxleobasTan<br />

dialogis yvela resursi?<br />

dRevandeli procesebis analizis<br />

Semdeg me, rogorc moqalaqes mainteresebs:<br />

ratom gadaaqcia Cvenma<br />

xelisuflebam Sinagan saqmeTa ministri<br />

personad, romelic mudmivad<br />

bodiSs unda ixdides Tavisi<br />

Tu sxvisi Secdomebis gamo?! meramdened<br />

unda vnaxoT mosaxleobis<br />

winaaRmdegobis gamo specdaniSnulebis<br />

razmis gamoZevebuli mebrZolebi?!<br />

ratom vakninebT maT funqcias,<br />

ratom vaxdenT maT diskreditacias<br />

moqalaqeebis TvalSi?!<br />

ratom vaqcieT Cveni saxelmwifos<br />

usafrTxoebis garantebi Savlego<br />

madlianis (Ccd-s personaJi, _ avt.)<br />

specrazmad, romelmac konkretuli<br />

biznesjgufebis interesebi<br />

unda daicvan?!<br />

_ Tqveni mosazrebiT, ratom?<br />

_ Cveni Ss ministris adgilze me<br />

am kiTxvebs seriozulad CavuRrmavdebodi,<br />

miT ufro maSin, rom<br />

mTeli es procesebi misi gadayenebis<br />

moTxovnis fonze mimdinareobda.<br />

_ sakmaod saintereso miniSnebaa,<br />

magram pankiss davubrun-<br />

deT. minda gkiTxoT, ramdenad<br />

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xelisuflebam Ss<br />

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romelic<br />

mudmivad bodiSs<br />

unda ixdides?~<br />

`meramdened unda vnaxoT<br />

mosaxleobis<br />

winaaRmdegobis gamo<br />

specdaniSnulebis razmis<br />

gamoZevebuli<br />

mebrZolebi?! ratom<br />

vakninebT maT funqcias,<br />

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diskreditacias<br />

moqalaqeebis TvalSi?!<br />

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SemTxveviT isargeblos Crdil-<br />

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sazrebiT, ras niSnavs, `isargeb-<br />

los~?<br />

_ zemoTac aRvniSne, rom pankisis<br />

xeobaSi daZabulobis maRali<br />

xarisxis SenarCuneba upirobod<br />

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ruseTisTvis damatebiT<br />

Jangbadis miwodebis tolfasia.<br />

swored amitom miCndeba kiTxva, _<br />

ra iseTi maRali ekonomikuri interesis<br />

matarebelia am 5-megavatiani<br />

hesis mSenebloba, rom isedac<br />

aseT mgrZnobiare regionSi,<br />

romelmac urTules gamowvevebs<br />

gauZlo saqarTvelos uaxlesi istoriis<br />

manZilze, daZabulobis axali<br />

kera SevqmnaT?!.<br />

_ Cven gvqonda periodi, rodesac<br />

pankiss xelisufleba, faqto-<br />

brivad, ver akontrolebda, gvqonda<br />

viTareba, rodesac iq arsebu-<br />

li viTareba qarTuli, rusuli da<br />

aSS-is specsamsaxurebis `zrunvis~<br />

sakiTxi iyo. Semdeg viTareba<br />

TiTq<br />

Tqos damSvidda, magram gvaxsovs<br />

sakmaod masStaburi speco-<br />

peracia `nacionaluri moZraobis~<br />

xelisuflebaSi yofnisas. mere<br />

isev damSvidda viTareba da vnaxeT<br />

morigi specoperacia, romel-<br />

ic Temirlan maCalikaSvilis<br />

daRupviT dasrulda. avxsnaT, ra<br />

politikuri mocemulobaa saqar-<br />

TvelosTvis pankisi?<br />

_ diax, pankisis xeobam ramdenime<br />

umwvavesi faza gaiara qarTuli<br />

saxelmwifos ganviTarebasTan<br />

erTad da, SeiZleba iTqvas, did<br />

gamowvevebs gauZlo, romelic Cveni<br />

saxelmwifos winaSe idga. amaSi<br />

namdvilad didia xeobis mosaxleobis<br />

wvlili. erTmniSvnelovnad<br />

SeiZleba iTqvas, rom wlebis man-<br />

Zilze pankisis xeobaSi riskebi<br />

dakavSirebuli iyo rogorc xelisuflebis<br />

SecdomebTan, aseve<br />

gare Zalebis interesebis realizebasTan.<br />

arasodes damaviwydeba<br />

90-iani wlebis bolos blokpostebi<br />

xeobis misadgomebTan, rac Cveni<br />

saxelmwifos ususurobis simbolod<br />

aRiqmeboda. blokpostebis<br />

fonze gatacebuli adamianebi,<br />

narkotikebis trazinti, daTrgunuli<br />

mosaxleoba, gaTxrili<br />

sangrebi da iq gamagrebuli SeiaraRebuli<br />

adamianebi. madloba RmerTs,<br />

amanac gaiara. me piradad ar<br />

mimiRia pasuxi im kiTxvebze, romlebic<br />

saakaSvilis xelisuflebis<br />

pirobebSi ganxorcielebul lafanyuris<br />

specoperaciasTan dakav-<br />

SirebiT gauCnda sazogadoebas. upasuxod<br />

darCenilma kiTxvebma kidev<br />

ufro gaaRrmava undobloba pankisis<br />

mosaxleobasa da saqarTvelos<br />

maSindel xelisuflebas<br />

Soris. dRemde ar gvaqvs sicxade<br />

specoperaciis dros Temirlan<br />

maCalikaSvilis mkvlelobasTan<br />

dakavSirebiT. xelisufleba sazogadoebis<br />

maRali interesis dakmayofilebis<br />

nacvlad dumils amjobinebs.<br />

rodesac xelisufleba ver<br />

asabuTebs Tavis legitimur gadawyvetilebebs,<br />

es bunebrivad aRZravs<br />

mis mimarT eWvebs da ndobas<br />

ukargavs. roca ar Segwevs unari,<br />

argumentirebulad daasabuTo<br />

Seni qmedebebis Sesabamisoba saxelmwifos<br />

interesebTan an ar gyofnis<br />

Zala, aRiaro daSvebuli Secdomebi,<br />

es miuTiTebs mxolod araprofesionalizmsa<br />

da sisusteze.<br />

ar minda uaresis daSveba. erTi sityviT<br />

rom vTqvaT, pankisis xeoba<br />

aris geopolitikuri interesebis<br />

Sejaxebis erT-erTi umniSvnelovanesi<br />

adgili da Sesabamisad, gamowveva<br />

Cveni saxelmwifosTvis, romelic<br />

pankisel moqalaqeebTan er-<br />

Tad unda davZlioT. amis yvela<br />

resursi gvaqvs da, pirvel rigSi,<br />

es Tavad pankiselebis maRali moqalaqeobrivi<br />

TviTSegnebaa.<br />

_ viciT, rom xeobidan araer-<br />

Ti adamiani ibrZoda siriaSi. ram-<br />

denad aris safrTxe, rom garkve-<br />

uli nawili dabrunda xeobaSi da<br />

isini viTarebis SemdgomSi daZab-<br />

vis sababi gaxdnen Tu am mxriv<br />

safrxeebs ar unda velodoT?<br />

_ marTalia, rom Cveni pankiseli<br />

axalgazrdebis garkveuli nawili<br />

aRmoCnda Cabmuli axlo aRmosavleTSi<br />

mimdinare procesebSi,<br />

isini ibrZodnen siriasa da eraySi<br />

islamuri saxelmwifos rigebSi,<br />

aseve siriis opoziciuri armiis<br />

mxares da aman pankisTan dakavSirebuli<br />

riskebi kidev ufro gaamwvava.<br />

magram esec dauZleveli problemaa.<br />

Tu rekrutirebuli meomrebi<br />

amJamad pankisis xeobaSi imyofebian,<br />

maT yvelaze naklebad unda<br />

awyobdeT iq viTarebis gamwvaveba<br />

da amitom Znelad warmosadgenia,<br />

rom movlenebis eskalacias Seuwyon<br />

xeli, radgan pirveli samizneebi<br />

swored Tavad gaxdebian. sxva<br />

saqmea kadirovis momxre qistebi,<br />

romelTac ukve dagvamaxsovres<br />

Tavi gamomwvevi saqcieliT da xeobaSi<br />

areulobis mowyobis mcdelobiT.<br />

erTmniSvnelovnad SegiZliaT<br />

miTxraT, rom pankisis mosaxleoba<br />

srulad dgas qarTuli saxelmwifos<br />

samsaxurSi da aTviTcnobierebs<br />

im miznebs, rac saxelmwifos<br />

aqvs?<br />

Tqven SegiZliaT erTmniSvnelovnad<br />

mipasuxoT, rom qarTuli<br />

xelisufleba, opozicia, media,<br />

politikuri jgufebi da mosaxleoba<br />

srulad dgas saxelmwifos samsaxurSi<br />

da acnobierebs qarTuli<br />

saxelmwifos interesebs?<br />

_ samwuxarod ara. me, am SemTx-<br />

vevaSi, umravlesobaze vsaubrob...<br />

_ cxadia, qist mosaxleobaSic<br />

arian iseTebi, romlebmac Tavisi<br />

gaazrebuli Tu gauazrebeli qmedebebiT<br />

SeiZleba safrTxe Seuqmnan<br />

xeobasac da mTlianad saxelmwifosac.<br />

amitom aris aq saWiro<br />

uaRresad maRali ormxrivi pasuxismgebloba,<br />

rogorc saxelmwifos<br />

Sesabamisi uwyebebis, aseve qisti<br />

moqalaqeebis mxridan.<br />

_ ganmuxtuli viTarebis daZab-<br />

vis sababi yovelTvis SeiZleba<br />

moiZebnos. ra saxis prevenciaa<br />

saWiro xelisuflebis mxridan da<br />

ra aris is politika, romelic<br />

xeobaSi unda gatardes?<br />

_ mjera, rom krizisi ganimuxteba,<br />

minda mjerodes, rom xelisufleba<br />

sworad Seafasebs Seqmnil<br />

viTarebas da gaiazrebs daSvebul<br />

Secdomebs, opozicia daZlevs<br />

cdunebas da Tavisi politikuri<br />

miznebisTvis ar gamoiyenebs xeoba-<br />

Si arsebul mdgomareobas. gamosavali<br />

erTia: moqalaqe unda endobodes<br />

saxelmwifos da saxelmwifo<br />

unda endobodes moqalaqes.<br />

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rs, xolo pirgasamtexlo _ 8 000 aSS dolars.<br />

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es gadawyvetileba gegeSiZes 2013<br />

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dakavSirebiT nari gegeSiZes es-<br />

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_ saxelmwifosgan Cems ojaxs<br />

ijariT hqonda aRebuli gldanis<br />

pirvel mkr-Si me-20 a korpusTan<br />

mimdebared 1830 kv.m. miwis nakveTi.<br />

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davageT da xelSekruleba gavaformeT<br />

ise, rogorc wesi iyo. pirveli<br />

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e. i. 1993 wlidan 2000<br />

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ki gavaformeT 2005 wlidan 2013<br />

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ufrosma laSa kekeliZem, mogvwera<br />

da mogvTxova wargvedgina<br />

gadaxdis yvela dedani qviTari. xazgasmiT<br />

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ar gvqonda gadacilebuli gadaxdas,<br />

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nari gegeSiZe darRveuli<br />

uflebebis aRdgenas iTxovs<br />

Si aRmovCndiT. TveSi 500 dolars<br />

vixdidiT, muSaoba ki ar iyo, miWirda<br />

gadaxda da amitom gadavwyvite,<br />

es adgili Semesyida. rogorc ukve<br />

giTxariT, avtosadgomis farTobi<br />

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bina kerZo ipoTekarTan Camedo. es<br />

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ar moindomes Sesyidva, Tqves,<br />

rom es procesi didxans gagrZeldeboda<br />

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im periodSi qonebis mar-<br />

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iyo, TaRliTi pirovneba, romelic<br />

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Sin Tamar maTiaSvili iyo qonebis<br />

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Setyobineba momivida, rom<br />

ijara Sewyvetili mqonda.<br />

_ ris safuZvelze Segiwyvites<br />

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iyo?<br />

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daskvna droze ar gakeTdeboda.<br />

aseT SemTxvevaSi calmxrivad<br />

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gvqonda vada, rom es sabuTi migvetana.<br />

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da samxaraulis saeqsperto biurodan<br />

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rom 6000 dolaris ekvivalenti<br />

larebSi unda gadagvexada,<br />

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yvelanairi gziT mebrZodnen,<br />

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Civla, TiTqos, 25 000 dolari mqonda<br />

davalianeba, 17 000 dolari<br />

saijaro qira da 8 000 dolari pirgasamtexlo.<br />

aseve minda mogiyveT,<br />

rom me nakveTis mimdebared pirvel<br />

sarTulze arasacxovrebeli<br />

farTi mqonda aRebuli. ise gaakeTes,<br />

rom ijariT aRebul Cems<br />

teritoriaze devnili Semomisaxles,<br />

warmogidgeniaT?! maRazia<br />

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lars vixdidi, gadatixres es 110<br />

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iq mcxovrebma devnilebma<br />

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SemoiWra adamiani Cem mier<br />

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notariulad damowmebuli 3 xelmowera<br />

maqvs, rac Tavmjdomarem ar<br />

gaiTvaliswina. saboloo jamSi, am<br />

adamianma es farTi miisakuTra da<br />

dResac iq cxovrobs.<br />

_ rogor fiqrobT, ra iyo mer-<br />

iis mTavari motivi, ratom moqmedebdnen<br />

Tqven winaaRmdeg am gze-<br />

biT?<br />

_ es adgili CemTvis ver gaimetes<br />

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SeniSvna ar mouciaT (maSin SegvekiTxnen<br />

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Si 500 dolaris gadaxdas axerxebTo?)<br />

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wels 25 000 dolari davalianeba<br />

gvqonda?! mokled, sasamarTloSi<br />

miCivles. me advokatic ki ar amiyvania,<br />

radgan sakuTar simarTleSi<br />

darwmunebuli viyavi. aRmoCnda,<br />

rom saijaro gadaxdis qviTrebisgan<br />

gansxvavebiT, romelic xelSi<br />

miWiravs, merias Tanxa gacilebiT<br />

mcire raodenobiT aqvs gatarebuli.<br />

magaliTad: ianvris qviTarSi<br />

miweria, rom gadavixade 500 dolaris<br />

ekvivalentiT 850 lari, Tumca<br />

meria mitarebs 211 lars. TebervalSi<br />

gadavixade isev 850 lari,<br />

meria mitarebs 115-s. warmoidgineT,<br />

bolo 5 wlis qviTari yvela<br />

analogiurad hqondaT gatarebuli.<br />

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yvela Segnebulad daamaxinjes.<br />

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cesze?<br />

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Tanxa TviTon hqondaT (merias) mitacebuli!<br />

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is, rom Sesabamis rekvizitze,<br />

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Tebuli, am rekvizitze gadaxdili<br />

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ugulava mosamarTles mobiluriT<br />

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magram mosamarTle CixlaZem<br />

gadawyvetileba miiRo da es 25000<br />

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_ ra gaZlevT imis Tqmis safuZ-<br />

vels, rom uSualod ugulavas<br />

hqonda komunikacia mosamarTl-<br />

esTan?<br />

_ amis Tqmis safuZvels maZlevs<br />

is, rom merias ar surda, teritoria<br />

me Semesyida. es adgili gldanis<br />

pirobaze saukeTeso iyo. Tbilisis<br />

meriis uZravi qonebis saagentos<br />

imJamindeli ufrosi, daviT<br />

Wedia, rogorc korumpirebuli,<br />

miCveuli iyo adgilebis mitacebas<br />

da gayidvas. jer sasamarTloSi<br />

miCivles da ar daelodnen gadawyvetilebas,<br />

ar Sematyobines, ise<br />

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Caatares auqcioni da miwis nakve-<br />

Ti gayides. sasamarTlos damTavrebamde<br />

7 TviT adre gayides. yvelaze<br />

mniSvnelovani ki is aris, rom<br />

Tavisi ojaxis axlobel xaTuna<br />

goginaSvilze _ ganvadebiT. misi<br />

mama milioneria da mTeli qoneba<br />

aseTi gzebiT aqvs SeZenili. sajaro<br />

reestridan amoRebuli maqvs<br />

informacia, ver daiTvliT, imdeni<br />

qonebis patronia da me, erT adamians,<br />

romelsac amis meti araferi<br />

mqonia, esec wamarTves. xaTuna goginaSvils<br />

mivwere da yvelaferi<br />

gavugzavne, vuTxari, rom mag nakveTze<br />

aravis mivcemdi Semosvlis<br />

uflebas. Tavs daviwvav da ukanonod<br />

Sesvlis uflebas aravis mivcem.<br />

goginaSvils Cems werilze reaqcia<br />

ar hqonia, Tumca gaikiTxa, vinc<br />

viyavi. me 40 weli gldanSi baRis<br />

gamged vmuSaobdi, man gaigo, rom<br />

ukan damxevi ar viyavi, xmauri atydeboda<br />

da ver Semodioda. TaRli-<br />

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mSeneblobis nebarTva im teritoriaze<br />

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gaxarjuli Tanxis angariSs da warudgens<br />

sakrebulos.<br />

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fondidan damatebiT 500 lariT dafinansda.<br />

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saWiroebas moxmardeba da ara<br />

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finansebis damatebas. saukeTeso SemTxveva-<br />

Si kargia, Tuki sarezervo fondidan gamoyofili<br />

Tanxa wlidan wlamde ar daixarjeba.<br />

amis garanti ki, mxolod da mxolod,<br />

kargad dagegmili biujetia. Tu safinanso<br />

dokumentSi Tanxa racionaluradaa gadanawilebuli,<br />

maSin ukve arsebul programebs<br />

sarezervo fondidan Tanxis damateba ar<br />

unda dasWirdeT.<br />

sarezervo fondebidan Tanxis xarjvis<br />

saukeTeso magaliTs slovakeTis, estoneTisa<br />

da ungreTis kanonmdebloba gvaZlevs. am<br />

qveynebSi sarezervo saxsrebi, ZiriTadad,<br />

forsmaJorul situaciebTan dakavSirebuli<br />

xarjebis dasafinanseblad gamoiyeneba.<br />

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emsaxuron. vfiqrob, momaval-<br />

Si arCevnebze cudsa da uaress Soris<br />

ar unda gavakeToT arCevani.<br />

piriqiT, unda gavecnoT programas,<br />

vin ras gvTavazobs da amis mixedviT<br />

gadavwyvitoT, vis unda mivceT<br />

Cveni xma, radgan, realurad, xelisuflebas<br />

Cven vqiraobT. maTi<br />

pirdapiri movaleobaa, xalxisgan<br />

wamosul dakveTaze adekvaturi pasuxi<br />

hqondeT da problemis gada-<br />

Wris saukeTeso gegma SesTavazon.<br />

_ rogorc wesi, qarTul real-<br />

obaSi arCevnebis win aravin aqcevs<br />

yuradRebas saarCevno programas,<br />

radgan ZiriTadad piradi dapir-<br />

ispirebebiT arian dakavebulebi<br />

da mosaxleobac amiT `erToba~, ra<br />

roli aqvs amomrCevels am pro-<br />

cesSi?<br />

_ Cvenma sazogadoebam imuniteti<br />

unda gamoimuSavos, unda mixvdes,<br />

rom viRacis jibrze arCevanis<br />

gakeTeba mas kargs arafers<br />

moutans. unda gaviazroT, rom msgavsi<br />

midgomiT arCevanis gakeTeba<br />

isev Cvenze, maT Soris, Tqvenze da<br />

Ti pirobebis Seqmna, rom adamianma<br />

sakuTari Tavis realizeba SeZlos<br />

da imis SiSi ar hqondes, rom universitetis<br />

damTavrebis Semdeg ganaTlebisa<br />

da kvalifikaciis Sesabamisi<br />

samsaxuri ver iSovos. amitomac<br />

axalgazrdebi gadawyvetilebas<br />

iReben, rom qveynidan wavidnen.<br />

Cemi azriT, aucilebelia, axalgiorgi<br />

qitiaSvili:<br />

`marTlac paradoqsia,<br />

ivaniSvili murusiZes<br />

gmirad miiCnevs, damnaSaved<br />

_ Salva SavguliZes~<br />

Cemzec, nebismieri Cvenganis cxovrebaze<br />

uaryofiTad imoqmedebs.<br />

am kuTxiT axalgazrdebSi mdgomareoba<br />

SedarebiT ukeTesadaa.<br />

rogorc vici, Cem irgvlivac yvela<br />

aqcevs yuradRebas saarCevno<br />

programas, romeli partia ras<br />

sTavazobs maT, ra ideologiisaa<br />

da swored amis mixedviT irCeven,<br />

vis sasargeblod gaakeTon arCevani<br />

da vis miscen TavianTi kuTvnili<br />

saarCevno xma. rac Seexeba, winasaarCevno<br />

periodSi erTmaneTze warsulis<br />

wamoZaxebas, rac iyo, Tundac,<br />

2016 wels saparlamento arCevnebze,<br />

rac iyo aseve saprezidento<br />

arCevnebis drosac, vfiqrob,<br />

nel-nela esec warsulSi gadava da<br />

msgavs meTodebs amomrCevelze ise-<br />

Ti efeqti da gavlena aRar eqneba.<br />

_ rogor fiqrobT, ra aris<br />

dRes axalgazrdebis mTavari<br />

problema?<br />

_ axalgazrdebis mTavari problema<br />

uperspeqtivobis gancdaa. maT<br />

aqvT SegrZneba, rom saqarTveloSi<br />

warmatebis miRweva rTulia. amaSi<br />

ki, didwilad, damnaSave xelisuflebaa,<br />

_ swored mas evaleba ise-<br />

`Cvenma sazogadoebam imuniteti unda<br />

gamoimuSavos, unda mixvdes, rom viRacis<br />

jibrze arCevanis gakeTeba mas kargs arafers<br />

moutans. unda gaviazroT, rom msgavsi<br />

midgomiT arCevanis gakeTeba isev Cvenze, maT<br />

Soris, Tqvenze da Cemzec, nebismieri Cvenganis<br />

cxovrebaze uaryofiTad imoqmedebs~<br />

`axalgazrdebis mTavari<br />

problema uperspeqtivobis<br />

gancdaa. maT aqvT SegrZneba,<br />

rom saqarTveloSi<br />

warmatebis miRweva rTulia.<br />

amaSi ki, didwilad,<br />

damnaSave xelisuflebaa, -<br />

swored mas evaleba iseTi<br />

pirobebis Seqmna, rom<br />

adamianma sakuTari Tavis<br />

realizeba SeZlos da imis<br />

SiSi ar hqondes, rom<br />

universitetis damTavrebis<br />

Semdeg ganaTlebisa da<br />

kvalifikaciis Sesabamisi<br />

samsaxuri ver iSovos~<br />

gazrdebs meti Sansi mieceT. im adamianebs,<br />

visac qveyanaSi darCena da<br />

Tundac biznesis wamowyeba surT,<br />

sastarto pirobebi unda SevuqmnaT.<br />

_ uperspeqtiobasTan erTad<br />

axalgazrdebs nihilizmis gancdac<br />

aqvT, rac aSkarad gamoixate-<br />

ba Tundac arCevnebTan mimarTeb-<br />

iT. ra unda SesTavazoT axalgaz-<br />

rdebs imisTvis, rom maT arCevn-<br />

ebze mosvlis survili gauCndeT?<br />

_ nihilizmi ara mxolod saqar-<br />

TveloSi, aramed yvelganaa. vfiqrob,<br />

rom es gancda yovelTvis da<br />

yvela TaobaSi iyo. politikurma<br />

partiebma iseTi raRac unda SevTavazoT<br />

amomrCevlebs, maT Soris,<br />

axalgazrdebsac, rom maT arCevnebze<br />

mosvla da TavianTi xmis micema<br />

moundeT. am SemTxvevaSi veravisken<br />

xels ver gaviSverT, es Cveni<br />

politikuri partiebis gasake-<br />

Tebelia. organizaciebSi axalgazrdebs<br />

Sansi unda mivceT, rom<br />

TavianTi Tavi warmoaCinon, aseve<br />

unda gaviTvaliswinoT maTi mosazrebebi<br />

da survilebi. dRes Cveni<br />

axalgazrdebis winaSe mTavari<br />

gamowveva uperspeqtivobis gancda<br />

da mZime socialuri fonia.<br />

_ axalgazrdul protests<br />

Zalian didi Zala aqvs, Tumca<br />

naklebad aprotesteben Tundac<br />

dasaqmebis, ganaTlebis problemas.<br />

meTanxmebi Tu ara, rom axal-<br />

gazrdebi ar dganan iq, sadac unda<br />

idgnen?<br />

_ ar veTanxmebi imas, rom axalgazrdebi<br />

mxolod marixuanis dekriminalizacias<br />

moiTxoven, radgan<br />

zustad is adamianebi, romlebic<br />

marixuanis dekriminalizacias<br />

moiTxovdnen, idgnen da ruse-<br />

Tis okupacias aprotestebdnen.<br />

Tavad var samoqalaqo aqtivizmis<br />

moxalise gaerTianeba `ruseTi okupantias~<br />

aqtiuri wevri da im aqciazec<br />

videqi, sadac vaprotestebdiT,<br />

rom adamiani marixuanis mowevis<br />

gamo ar unda daeWiraT. Tu axalgazrdebi<br />

gamodian da raimes<br />

aprotesteben, e. i. maT es realurad<br />

awuxebT kidec. amaze saxelmwifo<br />

unda dafiqrdes da, Sesabamisad,<br />

gamosavalic unda monaxos.<br />

zogadad, vfiqrob, rom Zalian magari<br />

axali Taoba gvyavs.<br />

_ rogor xedavT axali saxeebis<br />

Semosvlis process politika-<br />

Si da ramdenad mniSvnelovania es,<br />

zogadad, qveynis ganviTarebi-<br />

sTvis?<br />

_ ra Tqma unda, es procesi qveynisTvis<br />

Zalian mniSvnelovania. Zveli<br />

saxeebi midian da isini axalma<br />

saxeebma unda Caanacvlon. mTavaria,<br />

axalgazrdebma moindomon da<br />

yvelaferi gaakeTon, rom politikur<br />

procesebSi CaerTon. Cems<br />

magaliTze SemiZlia giTxraT, rom<br />

mec, Tavdapirvelad, moxalised<br />

daviwye, _ `Tavisufal demokratebSi~<br />

yofna mindoda da dRemde<br />

aq var. politikur partiebs rac<br />

Seexeba, maqsimalurad gaxsnilebi<br />

unda iyvnen, raTa Sansi miscen axalgazrdebs<br />

da endon maT.<br />

_ ra perspeqtiva aqvs Suale-<br />

dur arCevnebze `Tavisufali<br />

demokratebisa~ da `evropuli<br />

saqarTvelos~ maJoritar kandi-<br />

dat Salva SavguliZes?<br />

_ Salva SavguliZe aris Rirseuli<br />

adamiani. masze cuds veravin<br />

ityvis. is Zalian principuli pirovnebaa,<br />

rac yvelaze mniSvnelovania.<br />

Salva SavguliZe yovelTvis im<br />

adgilas idga, sadac yofna sworad<br />

miaCnda da sadac yofna samarTliani<br />

iyo. mTawmindis mosaxleoba,<br />

vinc Salvas dauWers mxars, vfiqrob,<br />

ar inanebs, radgan mas parlamentSi<br />

Rirseuli warmomadgeneli<br />

eyoleba, iseTi warmomadgeneli,<br />

romelsac imedi aravisTvis gaucruebia.<br />

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daviT buxrikiZe<br />

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zRapris Teatralur enasa Tu scenaze gacocxleba reJi-<br />

sorisTvis ara mxolod rTuli, aramed cota saSaro ambavia:<br />

marjvniv da cudad gakvaluli bilikiT wava, SeiZleba trial<br />

mindorze aRmoCndes da vinZlo, orientirebic dakargos;<br />

radikalurad marcxniv gadauxvevs _ formebis uRranSi gada-<br />

iCexos; pirdapir wava da tradicias SeeCexos, romelmac Sesa-<br />

Zloa umtkivneulo, magram mainc sagrZnobi sila gaawnas!<br />

amdenad, gamarTul da scenur<br />

kondiciamde zRapris miyvanas jer<br />

kargad moTelva da Seswavla sWirdeba,<br />

Semdeg koncefciis mofiqreba<br />

da bolos, rac SeiZleba zusti<br />

da, amave dros, ubralo Tu gasagebi<br />

reJisoruli xerxebis moZebna.<br />

vidre aprilSi reJisori revaz SatakiSvili<br />

WiaTuris dramatul<br />

TeatrSi bavSvebisTvis (da cxadia,<br />

ara marto maTTvis) scenur zRapar-premiera<br />

`sizmaras~ gamoadnobda,<br />

manamde gasul wels imere-<br />

Tis kidev erT qalaqSi, zestafon-<br />

Si, sagrZnoblad gaivarjiSa: sergei<br />

kozlovis zRaprebis sakmaod<br />

zusti da ironiuli qarTuli adaptacia<br />

moaxerxa speqtaklSi `Talikos<br />

burvaki~.<br />

speqtakli `sizmara~, faqtobrivad,<br />

qarTul zRaparTa gudaSi mo-<br />

Zebnil-moqeqili, magram axali ambavia<br />

_ originaluri piesa, romelic<br />

sagangebod WiaTuris akaki wereTlis<br />

saxelobis TeatrisTvis Tavad<br />

reJisorma SeTxza da dadga.<br />

amavdroulad, masve ekuTvnis speqtaklis<br />

scenografiac, kostiumebic<br />

da musikaluri gaformebac.<br />

speqtaklis cocxali, msubuqi da<br />

qarTul motivebze agebuli qoreografiuli<br />

scenebi ki dadu<br />

amiranaSvilma dadga.<br />

erTsaaTian, mxiarul da naklebad<br />

didaqtikuri formis warmodgenas<br />

bevrad meti aqvs saerTo<br />

qarTuli zRapris tradiaciasTan,<br />

vidre ybadaRebul multiplikaciur<br />

film `sizmarasTan~. Tumca<br />

isic unda iTqvas, rom mTavari gmiri<br />

_ sizmara, odnav mxiarul Tu<br />

ironiul konteqstSi am multfilmsac<br />

axsenebs.<br />

reJisor-dramaturgi revaz SatakaSvili<br />

amjobinebs, folklorisa<br />

da zRapris arqetipebs daeyrdnos,<br />

Tumca axleburi da originaluri<br />

SinaarsiT Seavsos ambavi.<br />

mTavari gmiri _ sizmara, romlis<br />

rolsac mkvircxli artistulobiT<br />

gamorCeuli kote kaxiSvili asrulebs,<br />

cdilobs, sakuTari Tavi<br />

zRapris personaJebTan gaaigivos,<br />

magaliTad, obol biWTan, romelic<br />

`wiqaraSia~ gamoyvanili. es paraleli<br />

dedinacvalTan scenaSi (am<br />

rols maka cucqiriZe asrulebs)<br />

aSkarad parodirebulia da Tanac<br />

ZarRvian qarTlur konteqstSi,<br />

rac kedev ufro ironiul da mxiarul<br />

Sinaarss sZens Txrobas.<br />

zRapris namdvili transformacia<br />

scenaze maSin iwyeba, roca oboli<br />

biWi sizmaras sizmars xedavs<br />

(aqeT mze, iqiT mTvare, Suqur-varskvlavi<br />

xel-pirs abaninebs) da dedinacvali<br />

saxlidan agdebs da is<br />

sizmarad iqceva. zRaparSi mogzaurobiT<br />

ki, ase vTqvaT, `qarTuli<br />

fentezis~ Janri cocxldeba, sadac<br />

mTavar rolebSi sizmara da mwvadika<br />

xinkalauri gvevlnebian. diax,<br />

Sinidan gamogdebuli sizmara duqanSi<br />

erT ucnaur megobars iZens<br />

_ melas, romelsac mwvadika xinkalauri<br />

hqvia da romlis saxelic<br />

aSkarad vaJa-fSavelas nawarmoebebisken<br />

gvibiZgebs (mela-gela modebaZis<br />

aqtioruli xalisi, plastika<br />

da energia sagrZobia mTeli<br />

speqtaklis ganmavlobaSi). broweulis<br />

yvavilisfer Coxasa da `aziackebSi~<br />

gamowyobili, fafaxiani<br />

mela meduqne Tafla-giosTan daiareba<br />

(guram bregvaZe) da mwvadsa<br />

da xinkals geaxlebaT.<br />

unda aRiniSnos, rom reJisorma<br />

uari Tqva qarTul TeatrSi damkvidrebul<br />

tradiciaze da uricxvi,<br />

gaiZvera da uaryofiTi qalimelakudebis<br />

nacvlad scenaze yo-<br />

CaRi da megobruli kaci-mela<br />

Semoiyvana, romelic gacilebiT<br />

ufro erTgulia sizmarasi, vidre<br />

Tavad adamianebi.<br />

swored melasTan erTad gaudgeba<br />

gzas sizmara _ sizmris asaxdenad.<br />

isini Zveli didebiT Semosil<br />

samefoSi aRmoCndebian, Tumca es<br />

samefoc Tavisi galavniT, cixedarbaziTa<br />

Tu taxtiT aseve parodirebulia.<br />

cxadia, am samefoSi arc `vaivaia~<br />

(anu vaifai mwvadika xinkalauris<br />

enaze), arc `aifofia~ (anu aifoni<br />

mwvadika xinkalauris enaze) da<br />

aRarc `feizmuki~, sadac mTavari<br />

gmirebi erTmaneTs axal da moulodnel<br />

Tavgadasavals `gauziareben~.<br />

magram `aifofi~ `selapebs~<br />

(selfebs) mainc iRebs da swored<br />

amiT akvirveben warsulis mkvidrebs,<br />

visTvisac foto gaCerebuli<br />

sarkea, telefoni ki _ `eSmakis<br />

ficari~. am samefoSi mefobs erTi<br />

ucnauri da cota sasacilo mefe<br />

mzegrZeli (gia kenWoSvilis ironiiT<br />

naTamaSevi meore planis roli),<br />

romelsac aranakleb sasacilo saxlTuxucesi<br />

juanSeri (guram SukakiZe)<br />

da asuli mzevnaxe hyavs (sofo<br />

gogolaZe), romelsac jer siyvaruli<br />

ar ganucdia da romelsac,<br />

klasikuri zRapris sqemis mixedviT,<br />

swored sizmara unda Seuyvardes...<br />

magram siyvarulamde moulodnelad<br />

datyvevebulma da ormoSi<br />

gamomwyvdeulma sizmaram jer winaaRmdegobebiT<br />

savse gza unda gaiaros,<br />

raTa swored maTi gadalaxvis<br />

Semdeg SeZlos mefis asulis<br />

siyvaruli. amisTvis ki aRmosavle-<br />

Tis xelmwifis mier gamogzavnili<br />

N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04-06.05.2019 w.<br />

sizmaras<br />

Wi-Fi<br />

mogzauroba awmyosa<br />

da warsulSi<br />

reJisorma revaz<br />

SatakiSvilma<br />

WiaTuris TeatrSi<br />

transformirebuli<br />

qarTuli zRapari<br />

gamoadno<br />

elCis (Tina miqautaZe) amocana<br />

unda amoxsnas _ gamogzavnili cxenebidan<br />

romelia deda, ufrosi,<br />

SuaTana da umcrosi kvici. Tu arada,<br />

aRmosavleTis mefe mefis asul<br />

mzevnaxes wayvaniT an omiTa da ganadgurebiT<br />

imuqreba... gasagebia,<br />

rom am gamocanas swored sizmara<br />

auRebs alRos da gamoicnobs kidec,<br />

raSic mas gamocdileba _ qar-<br />

Tuli xalxuri zRaprebis kargi<br />

codna exmareba.<br />

vidre sizmara amocana-gamocanebis<br />

amoxsnaSia, yoCaRi mela-mwvadika<br />

sasaxleSi gadamalul mfrinav<br />

xaliCas ipovis da sizmara, mefis<br />

asuli da Tavad mwvadika warsulidan<br />

momavalSi, anu Cvens dro-<br />

Si brundebian. fentez-zRapars,<br />

cxadia, optimisturi da zRapris<br />

Sesatyvisi finali eqneba _ omi<br />

aRar moxdeba, aRmosavleTis mefesa<br />

kiseri moegrixeba da sizmaras<br />

siyvarulic gaimajvebs.<br />

`sizmaras~ mTavari scenuri<br />

metaforaa giganturi gvirgvinis<br />

formis sasaxlis feradi galavani,<br />

romelsac mbrunav scenaze mravalgvari<br />

datvirTva aqvs _ xan Seuval<br />

cixedarbazadaa aRmarTuli, xan<br />

sasaxlis interierad warmogvidgeba.<br />

scena erTdroulad gantvirTulic<br />

Cans da datvrTulic,<br />

konkretuli asociaciebiT savsec<br />

da ganzogadebulic. reJisoris es<br />

xerxi raRaciT saopero reJisuras<br />

ufro mogvagonebs. aRmosavluri<br />

da qarTuli kostiumebis monacvleoba<br />

aseve iZleva abstraqciaganzogadebis<br />

saSualebas. piesisa<br />

da reJisoris cxadi mesijebi, miuxedavad<br />

warsul-momavalSi personaJebis<br />

cotaTi damabneveli mogzaurobisa,<br />

imedia, bavSvebisTvisac<br />

bolomde gasagebia... rasac<br />

speqtaklis finalSi maTi cocxali<br />

reaqciebi da taSi mowmobs.<br />

aucilebelia, ramdenime sityviT<br />

saintereso da sakmaod Wreli<br />

musikaluri gaformebis Sesaxebac<br />

iTqvas. reJisors gamoyenebuli<br />

aqvs fragmentebi nikoloz raWvelis<br />

`xorumidan~, aseve nawyvetebi<br />

viqtor doliZis operidan `qeTo<br />

da kote~ da ramdenime saunTreki<br />

cnobili Tanamedrive ucxouri<br />

teleserialebidan. erT-erTi kompozicia<br />

ki erekle gewaZem specialurad<br />

axali speqtaklisTvis dawera.<br />

revaz SatakiSvilis `sizmara~<br />

WiaTuris TeatrSi meeqvse da arc-<br />

Tu warumatebeli Serkinebaa scenur<br />

enaze rTulad mosaTvinierebel<br />

zRapris samyarosTan. manamde<br />

mas dadgmuli aqvs cnobili<br />

frangi scenaristis, Jan-klod<br />

karieris `ufliswuli da WeSmariteba~<br />

(rusTavelis Teatris eqsperimentuli<br />

scena), `sami goWi~ inglisuri<br />

folkloris motivebze,<br />

g. naxucriSvilis `komble~ da s.<br />

kozlovis `Talikos burvaki~ (zestafonis<br />

uSangi CxeiZis saxelobis<br />

Teatri), aseve `zRarbi nislSi~<br />

sergei kozlovis zRapris mixedviT<br />

(goris, giorgi erisTavs saxelobis<br />

Teatri).<br />

35

mixeil basilaZe<br />

gagrZeleba. dasawyisi<br />

ix. `qronika+~ (2018w.)<br />

##3-27;29-39; (2019w.) #2-6;8-13.<br />

damfuZnebeli kreba<br />

1920 wlis 18 agvistos gazeTi<br />

`erToba~ gvauwyebs, rom 17 agvistodan<br />

saqarTvelos damfuZnebelma<br />

krebam, igive parlamentma, mu-<br />

Saoba SeaCera da Svebuleba gamoacxada.<br />

gazeTis pirvel gverdze<br />

damfuZnebeli krebis mier ukanaskneli<br />

Tvis manZilze gaweuli<br />

samuSaoa ganxiluli da CamoTvlilia<br />

is kanonebi da dekretebi, romelic<br />

deputatebma am xnis ganmavlobaSi<br />

miiRes.<br />

rogorc aRmoCnda, agvistoSi<br />

xalxis rCeulebma nayofierad imuSaves.<br />

gazeTis cnobiT, sxdomebi<br />

kviraSi oTxjer imarTeboda, rac<br />

kanonmdeblebis sakmaod intensiur<br />

grafikze miuTiTebda. yvelaze sayuradRebo<br />

ki 1920 wlis agvistoSi<br />

qveynis biujetis damtkiceba gamodga.<br />

es iyo damoukidebeli saqar-<br />

Tvelos pirveli biujeti.<br />

gazeTi `erToba~: `am xanSi<br />

mravali didmniSvnelovani kanoni<br />

da dekreti iyo miRebuli. maT Soris<br />

sakmaoa gavixsenoT iseTi pirvelxarisxovani<br />

kanoni, rogoric<br />

aris koleqtiuri xelSekruleba,<br />

romelic saZirkvelia muSaTa kanonmdeblobisa.<br />

sasoflo sameurneo<br />

aRmSeneblobaSi didi yuradRebis<br />

Rirsia is sameurneo-saskolo gegma,<br />

romelic warudgina damfuZnebel<br />

krebas miwaTmoqmedebis saministrom...<br />

ar gamovudgebiT mraval did<br />

mniSvnelovan dekretebis da SekiTxvebis<br />

aRnusxvas. movixsenebT<br />

mxolod im saqmes, romelic damfuZnebeli<br />

krebis yuradRebis centrSi<br />

idga ukanasknel TveSi. es iyo<br />

1919-1920 wlis biujeti. misi ganxilva<br />

miT ufro iyo Zlier sayuradRebo,<br />

rom saqarTvelos respublikam,<br />

romelic mxolod ori weliwadia<br />

arsebobs, moaxerxa Sedgena<br />

Tavis saxelmwifo-sameurneo<br />

gegmisa Tavis arsebobis meore<br />

welsve.<br />

marto es faqti ukve didi imedis<br />

aRmZvrelia. imedianobis kidev<br />

ufro dids sabuTs iZleva biujetis<br />

garSemo atexili kamaTis Tvalis<br />

gadavleba. opoziciam gamoiCina<br />

namdvili daundobloba. man<br />

sTqva yvelaferi is, ris Tqmac See-<br />

Zlo Cveni saxelmwifos wyobilebis<br />

Sesaxeb, usayvedura respublikis<br />

saTaveSi myofT yvelaferi,<br />

ris sayveduric SeiZleboda... wminda<br />

sindisiT vityviT: opoziciam<br />

ver aRmoaCina verc erTi iseTi nakli,<br />

romlis gamosworebis imedi<br />

ar hqondes saxelmwifos saTaveSi<br />

mdgom partias~.<br />

biujetis garda, saqarTvelos<br />

damfuZnebeli kreba kidev erT umniSvnelovanes<br />

dokumentze msjelobda,<br />

romelic qarTuli saxelmwifos<br />

fundaments warmoadgenda.<br />

saqarTvelos respublikis konstituciaze<br />

muSaoba ukve ramdenime weli<br />

mimdinareobda da 1920 weli, am<br />

mxriv, gadamwyveti iyo. gazeT `er-<br />

Tobis~ SefasebiT konstituciis SemuSaveba<br />

da Semdeg misi miReba damfuZnebeli<br />

krebisa da saerTod qa-<br />

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istoriis<br />

gamo Semcirda mosaxleobis ricxvi.<br />

1920 wlis<br />

abaSiZis gancxadebiT, aWaraSi sul<br />

190 aTasi adamiani cxovrobda.<br />

brZola prostituciasTan<br />

baTumSi<br />

rTuli politikuri klasis Ziri-<br />

Tad daniSnulebas warmoadgenda.<br />

gazeTis informaciiT am umniSvnelovanes<br />

dokumentze muSaobas<br />

damfuZnebeli kreba saSemodgomo<br />

sesiis gaxsnisTanave Seudgeboda.<br />

aWaris avtonomia<br />

rogorc gazeT `erTobis~ 5 agvistos<br />

nomerSi dabeWdili statiidan<br />

vigebT, TbilisSi memed-beg<br />

abaSiZis TavmjdomareobiT aWaris<br />

mejlisis delegacia Camovida. delegaciis<br />

stumrobis mizani saqar-<br />

Tvelos SemadgenlobaSi aWaris<br />

statusis gansazRvra warmoadgenda.<br />

jer kidev aWaris SemoerTebamde,<br />

saqarTvelos centralur xelisuflebasa<br />

da samuslimo saqarTvelos<br />

warmomadgenlebs Soris,<br />

Sedga SeTanxmeba, romlis mixedvi-<br />

Tac aWaras avtonomiuri statusi<br />

unda mieRo. samoqalaqo mmarTvelobis<br />

mosawesrigeblad da adgilobrivi<br />

mosaxleobis interesebis ga-<br />

TvaliswinebiT, damfuZnebel krebaSi<br />

unda momzadebuliyo kanonproeqti.<br />

demokratiuli arCevnebis<br />

safuZvelze aWaraSi avtonomiuri<br />

xelisufleba airCeoda. aseTi iyo<br />

gegma aWaris SemoerTebamde da es<br />

gegma igive darCa baTumis olqidan<br />

didi britaneTis gasvlis Semdegac.<br />

avtonomiis Temaze aWaris mejlisis<br />

delegaciis xelmZRvanelis,<br />

memed-beg abaSiZis mosazrebas<br />

gazeTi `erToba~ 5 agvistos nomer-<br />

Si beWdavs: `Cven avtonomia ise gvaqvs<br />

warmodgenili, rom is kiTxvebi,<br />

romlebic gareSe saqmeebs da<br />

finansur politikas Seexeba, agre-<br />

Tve samxedro mowyobilebas da im<br />

Sinagan saqmeebs, romlebsac saer-<br />

To saxelmwifoebrivi xasiaTi aqvT,<br />

unda gadaswyvitos centralurma<br />

kanonmdeblobiTma da aRmasrulebelma<br />

organoebma. is sakiTxebi ki,<br />

romlebsac olqisaTvis adgilobrivi<br />

xasiaTi aqvT, adgilobriv saxelmwifoebriv<br />

aparatis saSualebiT<br />

unda gairCes. adgilobriv pirobebTan<br />

SefardebiT unda gadaswydes<br />

agreTve agraruli sakiTxi...<br />

imedi maqvs, rom saqristiano da<br />

samuslimano saqarTvelos Soris<br />

sruli Tanxmoba Camovardeba da<br />

saqarTvelo da masTan erTad aWara<br />

ayvavdeba~.<br />

amave statiaSi gazeTi gvamcnobs,<br />

rom SemoerTebis Semdeg aWaraSi<br />

damakmayofilebeli mdgomareoba<br />

iyo. regionis sazRvrebTan<br />

marTalia, sxvadasxva bandis Tare-<br />

Si SeiniSneboda, magram am sakiTxs<br />

qarTveli muslimebi Tavad agvarebdnen<br />

da maT saqarTvelos sazRvrebSi<br />

ar uSvebdnen.<br />

memed-beg abaSiZis gancxadebiT,<br />

aWaris saqarTvelosTan SeerTebas<br />

ramdenime antiqarTuli Zala uSlida.<br />

maT Soris iyvnen: 1. axalgazrda<br />

Turqebis komiteti; 2. azerbaijaneli<br />

agentebi; 3. bolSevikebi,<br />

romlebic uzarmazar Tanxebs xarjavdnen<br />

propagandaze; 4. rusi moxaliseebi,<br />

romlebic denikinis davalebiT<br />

moqmedebdnen; 5. olqis rusuli<br />

administracia, romelic sruliad<br />

ucxo elementi iyo aWarisTvis.<br />

memed abaSiZis informaciiT,<br />

bolo periodSi gaizarda qarTvelTa<br />

emigracia regionidan da amis<br />

5 agvistos nomerSi gazeTi `er-<br />

Toba~ aWaris Sesaxeb kidev erT<br />

saintereso cnobas beWdavs, romelic<br />

prostitucias exeba. aWaris<br />

olqis sagangebo komisarma benia<br />

CxikviSvilma 4 agvistos specialuri<br />

brZanebuleba gamoaqveyna, romelic<br />

prostituciis akrZalvas da<br />

am saqmianobiT dakavebuli pirebis<br />

mkacr dasjas iTvaliswinebda:<br />

`komisarma CxikviSvilma brZaneba<br />

gasca yvela sazogado saxlis daxurvis<br />

Sesaxeb. sazogado saxlis<br />

yvela Semnaxvelni da prostitutkebi<br />

respublikidan unda ganidevnon.<br />

amaTgan isini, vinc saqarTvelos<br />

qveSevrdomebia, unda gaigzavnos<br />

etapiT mudmiv sacxovrebel<br />

adgilas da maTze unda dawesdes<br />

miliciis zedamxedveloba.<br />

Tu erTi kviris Semdeg aseTi<br />

piri qalaqSi aRmoCndeba, maSin is<br />

unda gaiyvanon iZulebiT samuSaoze:<br />

akerinon da arecxinon tomrebi,<br />

agvevinon quCebi da sxva. amisaTvis<br />

isini qalaqgareT yazarma-<br />

Si unda moaqcion da fulis magivrad<br />

miscen sazrdo. rodesac farul<br />

sazogado saxlis SemnaxvelT<br />

aRmoaCenen, maT daapatimreben da<br />

maTsave xarjze asazrdoeben.<br />

miliciis wevrebi unda awarmoebden<br />

aRniSnul pirTa registracias.<br />

sastumroebisa da saxlis<br />

patronebs im SemTxvevaSi, Tu es<br />

brZaneba ar Seasrules, gadaaxdevineben<br />

25 aTas maneT jarimas, saxls<br />

rekviziciiT waarTmeven da daapatimreben.<br />

brZaneba sisruleSi<br />

moyavT komisrebs. im SemTxvevaSi,<br />

Tu raionSi aseTi pirebi iqnebian<br />

aRmoCenilni, komisrebs samsaxuridan<br />

daiTxoven da daapatimreben~.<br />

qarTuli aviacia<br />

1920 wlis 2 agvistos Tbilisis<br />

gareubanSi, kerZod navTluRSi,<br />

damoukidebeli saqarTvelos istoriaSi<br />

pirvelad, saaviacio warmodgena<br />

gaimarTa. im periodis saqarTvelosTvis<br />

es metad uCveulo<br />

sanaxaoba gaxldaT. mTavrobis warmomadgenlebis,<br />

sapatio stumrebisa<br />

da ucxoeli diplomatebisTvis<br />

aerodromze sagangebo tribuna<br />

moawyves, romelic erovnuli bairaRebiTa<br />

da yvavilebiT iyo morTuli.<br />

navTluRSi saCvenebel frenebs<br />

mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris moadgile<br />

evgeni gegeWkori, samxedro<br />

ministri grigol lorTqifaniZe,<br />

saqarTvelos SeiaraRebuli Zalebis<br />

generaluri Stabis ufrosi zaqariaZe,<br />

generali andronikaSvili,<br />

gvardiis ufrosi valiko juReli<br />

eswrebodnen. safren moedanTan uamravi<br />

moqalaqe Seikriba. ukravda<br />

samxedro orkestri. irgvliv sazeimo<br />

da amaRlebuli ganwyoba sufevda.<br />

saaviacio Sous dawyebas yvela<br />

mouTmenlad eloda.<br />

saaviacio warmodgenaSi is<br />

mfrinavebi monawileobdnen, romlebmac<br />

sul cota xnis win war-<br />

CinebiT daasrules Tbilisis saaviacio<br />

saswavlebelis sruli kursi.<br />

es iyo qarTveli samxedro<br />

mfrinavebis pirveli gamoSveba.<br />

or rigad ganlagebulma 12-ma<br />

safrenma aparatma, musikisa da mayurebelTa<br />

SeZaxilebis TanxlebiT,<br />

asafreni biliki gaiara da erTmaneTis<br />

miyolebiT nel-nela caSi ai-<br />

Wra. naCvenebi iyo sxvadasxva sirTulis<br />

saaviacio ileTebi. maT Soris<br />

umaRlesi pilotaJis elementebic.<br />

am movlenis Sesaxeb gazeTi `er-<br />

Toba~ 5 agvistos nomerSi specialur<br />

reportaJs beWdavs: `frena 12<br />

aparatze swarmoebda. frena dilis<br />

5 saaTidan daiwyo. Semdeg Seasrules<br />

sahaero frenis rTuli<br />

figurebi. frenis dasasruls ev.<br />

gegeWkorma da gr. lorTqifaniZem<br />

saaviacio rotis komandiris movaleobis<br />

aRmsrulebels mayaSvils<br />

miuloces. saRamos gaimarTa vax-<br />

Sami, sadac mxurvale sityvebi warmosTqves<br />

da respublikis jars da<br />

xelmZRvanelebs keTildReoba da<br />

gamarjveba usurves~.<br />

1920 wels saqarTvelos mTavrobam<br />

saaviacio teqnikis Sesyidva<br />

daiwyo. samxedro uwyebam italiaSi<br />

saqarTvelosTvis 10 aeroplani Se-<br />

Zina. am TviTmfrinavebs ansaldos<br />

qarxanaSi awyobdnen, romelic cnobili<br />

iyo, rogorc msoflioSi yvelaze<br />

mowinave safreni aparatebis<br />

damamzadebeli. am aeroplanebis<br />

siCqare saaTSi 220 kilometrs aRwevda.<br />

TviTmfrinavebi aRWurvili<br />

iyo radiokavSiris mowyobilobiT,<br />

fotokameriT da saimedo ZraviT.<br />

Tavdapirvelad igegmeboda, rom<br />

aeroplanebs italiidan saqarTveloSi<br />

saaviacio skolis xelmZRvaneli<br />

maWavariani Camoiyvanda, magram<br />

rogorc Semdeg gairkva, axlad<br />

SeZenili TviTmfrinavebiT saqarTveloSi<br />

gadmofrena teqnikuri<br />

mizezebis gamo SeuZlebeli aRmo-<br />

Cnda. amitom isini daSales, yuTeb-<br />

Si Caawyves, gemze datvirTes da<br />

saqarTveloSi ise Camoitanes.<br />

gazeT `erTobis~ 1920 wlis agvistos<br />

nomrebSi aviaciis Sesaxeb<br />

kidev ramdenime informacias vxvdebiT.<br />

11 agvistos saRamos 7 saa-<br />

Tze, sacdeli frenis dros, daiRupa<br />

saaviacio aseulis xelmZRvaneli,<br />

maiori nikoloz mayaSvili.<br />

swored is mfrinavi, romelmac<br />

TviTmfrinavis virtuozuli mar-<br />

TvisTvis 2 agvistos saaviacio zeimze<br />

didi mowoneba daimsaxura. am<br />

ubeduri SemTxvevis Sesaxeb gaze-<br />

Ti `erToba~ 13 agvistos nomerSi<br />

mogviTxrobs: `maiori mayaSvili<br />

agvistos 11 daaxlovebiT 7 saaTze<br />

matoris gasasinjavaT gamofrinda<br />

`sopviCkemeli~-s sistemis inglisur<br />

gamanadgurebelze. igi afrinda<br />

haerodromze da sadgur nav-<br />

TluRis Tavze nakvTis gakeTebis<br />

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ucnobi qronika<br />

agvisto<br />

dros daaxlovebiT 25 metris simaRlidan<br />

Zirs Camovarda; wyosi<br />

wina nawiliT miwas daejaxa da daamsxvria,<br />

rogorc sCans, gansvenebulma<br />

yovelive Rone ixmara wyosis<br />

gadasarCenaT da mas Tavi Seswira.<br />

Tavdadebuli mfrinavi gamoitanes<br />

wyosis namsxvrevebidan; mas orive<br />

fexi da gulis ficari damtvreuli<br />

hqonda. is grZnobaze ar mosula<br />

da 5 wuTis Semdeg gardaicvala<br />

amxanagebis xelze~.<br />

aviakatastrofis dros daRupuli<br />

mfrinavi 14 agvistos didi<br />

pativiT dakrZales. mayaSvilis<br />

cxedari rusTavelis gamzirze<br />

samxedro taZarSi iyo dasvenebuli.<br />

panaSvids daeswrnen mTavrobis<br />

Tavmjdomaris moadgile evgeni<br />

gegeWkori, samxedro ministri grigol<br />

lorTqifaniZe, damfuZnebeli<br />

krebis wevrebi, mTavarsardali<br />

giorgi kvinitaZe da a. S. mayaSvili<br />

didubis sasaflaoze daasaflaves.<br />

gazeT `erTobis~ cnobiT, samgloviaro<br />

procesias saarmio da gvardiis<br />

nawilebi da artileriac mihyveboda.<br />

aviaciasTan dakavSirebuli ubeduri<br />

SemTxvevebi agvistoSi amiT<br />

ar dasrulebula. gazeTi `erToba~<br />

31 agvistos kidev erTi katastrofis<br />

Sesaxeb aqveynebs cnobas:<br />

`agvistos 28, dilis 6 saaTze, saswavlo<br />

frenis dros, samxedro<br />

mfrinavi leitenanti kiltava aparatTan<br />

erTad gamourkveveli<br />

mizezis gamo 20 metris simaRlidan<br />

Camovarda. Camovardnis dros<br />

mfrinavi mZimed daSavda. saRamos<br />

6 saaTze profesorma tixonoviCma<br />

fexi moaWra kiltavas. daaxlovebiT<br />

7 saaTze, sisxlis daqcevisa da<br />

saerTo sisustis gamo, kiltavam<br />

grZnoba dahkarga da gardaicvala.<br />

gardacvalebulma am mokle xanSi<br />

daasrula frenosnobis skola. igi<br />

didi niWiT iyo dajildovebuli.<br />

kiltavas sainJinro jarSi icnobden,<br />

rogorc saukeTeso aficers~.<br />

qolera da Tbilisis<br />

antisanitaria<br />

1920 wlis agvistoSi Tbilisis<br />

saavadmyofoebSi qoleris daavadebis<br />

niSnebis mqone sami moqalaqe<br />

miiyvanes, romelTagan ori mokle<br />

xanSi gardaicvala. rogorc gaze-<br />

Ti `erToba~ 11 agvistos nomerSi<br />

wers, samive SemTxvevaSi qolera im<br />

moqalaqeebs aRmoaCndaT, romlebic<br />

qalaqis mkvidri mcxovreblebi<br />

iyvnen. amis Sedegad gazeTi askvnda,<br />

rom qoleris daavadeba TbilisSi<br />

gaCnda da igi ar iyo sxva<br />

qveynidan Semotanili.<br />

qolerasTan sabrZolvelad<br />

qalaqis TviTmmarTvelobam Tbilisis<br />

biujetidan milioni maneTi<br />

gamoyo. Tumca, amave nomerSi gamoqveynebuli<br />

werilidan, romelic<br />

eqim lomaurs ekuTvnis, irkveva,<br />

rom es fuli, faqtobrivad, wyal-<br />

Si gadayrili iyo, radganac qalaqi<br />

katastroful sanitariul<br />

mdgomareobaSi imyofeboda.<br />

binZuri quCebi, sasmelad uvargisi,<br />

mRvrie wyali, devnilebiT<br />

gadatvirTuli qalaqi, umwvavesi<br />

sabinao krizisi, saSinel antisanitariaSi<br />

sursaTiT pirdapir quCeb-<br />

Si vaWroba. ubralod rom warmovidginoT,<br />

ra sibinZureSi cxovrobdnen<br />

im dros Tbiliselebi, eqim<br />

lomauris werilidan fragments<br />

moviyvanT: `msoflio omiT da<br />

dRevandeli ekonomiuri arev-dareviT<br />

Seqmnili Tfilisis ukiduresad<br />

antisanitaruli mdgomareoba<br />

aramc marto xolerisaTvis, bevri<br />

sxva gadamdebi senisaTvisac sauke-<br />

Teso niadagia. higienis moTxovnilebaTa<br />

TvalsazrisiT Tfilisis<br />

cxovrebis arc erTi mxare sul<br />

zerele kritikasac ki ver gauZlebs.<br />

ra saSinel mdgomareobaSia<br />

wylis sakiTxi es yvela moqalaqem<br />

kargad icis. uvargisi, mRvrie wyalic<br />

ki xSirad enatreba moqalaqes,<br />

radganac arsebuli wyalsadeni<br />

qalaqis moTxovnilebas naxevradac<br />

ki ar akmayofilebs. binis sakiTxi<br />

ufro mwvaveT dgas vidre wylisa.<br />

Tamamad SeiZleba iTqvas, rom moqalaqeTa<br />

20-30 procenti sruliad<br />

ubinaoT aris datovebuli. Zalian<br />

bevrs aucileblobis gamo sadRac<br />

nestian sardafebSi, derefnebSi, an<br />

visme sakuWnaoSi Seufarebia Tavi<br />

da ukidures siviwroveSi suls<br />

Zlivas iTqvams.<br />

Tfilisis saerTo usufTaoba<br />

yovelive zomas da warmodgenas<br />

aRemateba. dRes-dReobiT qalaqi<br />

Tavis sibinZuriT da WuWyiT osmaleTis<br />

mivardnil qalaqs mogvagonebs,<br />

sadac quCa, moedani da yovelive<br />

kuTxe sanagved da adamianis<br />

moTxovnilebaTa dasakmayofilebel<br />

adgiladaa gadaqceuli. dasarwmuneblad<br />

saWiroa naxva qalaqis<br />

moednebisa, ganapira quCebisa. xevebisa<br />

da baRebis, sadac xalxTan er-<br />

Tad auarebeli qeciani ZaRlebi,<br />

Rorebi da sxva oTxfexi sruliad<br />

Tavisuflad daiarebian da usufTaobas<br />

aorkeceben.<br />

sasmel-saWmelis sakiTxic usufTaobisa<br />

da falsifikaciis mxriv<br />

Zalian cud mdgomareobaSia. rac<br />

xdeba furneebSi, sasadiloebSi,<br />

saWmel-sanovagis maRaziebSi, sarZeveebSi<br />

da sxvagan, _ yvelam uwyis.<br />

kanalizacia cudia, asenizaciis<br />

mowyobileba qalaqs TiTqmis ara<br />

aqvs. erTi sityviT, qalaqis antisanitarul<br />

mdgomareobaze laparakis<br />

gagrZeleba metia. qalaqis ase-<br />

Ti umweo mdgomareoba sanitariis<br />

da higienis mxriT aris is noyieri<br />

niadagi, romelzedac aziidan Semotanilma<br />

senma xoleram aq CvenSi<br />

daibuda... am bolo wlebSi xolera<br />

CvenSi TiTqmis yovelTvis zafxuls<br />

Cndeba da auarebel zarals<br />

gvayenebs _ rogorc xalxis sicocxliT,<br />

ise qonebrivadac~.<br />

agvistos ganmavlobaSi gazeTi<br />

`erToba~ qolerasTan dakavSirebiT<br />

ramdenime statias beWdavs, romlis<br />

saSualebiTac mosaxleobas<br />

uxsnidnen, Tu rogor unda daecvaT<br />

Tavi avadmyofobisgan. moqalaqeebs<br />

mouwodebdnen gaekeTebinaT<br />

qoleris sawinaaRmdego acrebi,<br />

xSirad daebanaT xelebi, quCaSi ar<br />

eWamaT gaurecxavi xili, ar daeliaT<br />

gadauduRari wyali, daecvaT<br />

sanitariuli normebi sacxovrebel<br />

farTSi, kiris xsnariT daemuSavebinaT<br />

sapirfareSoebi da a. S.<br />

agvistos Sua ricxvebSi, gazeT-<br />

Si gamoCnda informacia, rom mosazRvre<br />

qveynebSi kidev erTi saSiSi<br />

daavadeba _ Savi Wiri gamoCnda da<br />

mosalodneli iyo Cvens qveyanaSi<br />

misi gavrcelebac. gazeTi `erTo-<br />

ba~ 25 agvisto: `sarwmuno wyaroebidan<br />

ityobinebian, rom saTaTreTis<br />

zogierT adgilebSi _ arzrumSi,<br />

konstantinopolSi da Savi<br />

zRvis pirad mdebare ramdensame<br />

qalaqSi Savi Wiri gaCenila da mcxovrebT<br />

did zarals ayenebs. es<br />

cnoba CvenTvisac friad samwuxaro<br />

ambavia. saTaTreTis aRniSnul<br />

qalaqebTan da Savi zRvis sanapiro<br />

bevr adgilebTan saqarTvelos respublikas<br />

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Semdeg gadaixados samxedro uwyebis<br />

sameurneo komitetma~.<br />

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`hiustoni~ saCempiono rbolis<br />

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isev gaibrwyina da meore Sexvedra<br />

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38<br />

jeison stethemi da<br />

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ramosi davinCis tiloze<br />

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reklama CanarTis saxiT:<br />

A3 3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;<br />

A4 4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;<br />

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)<br />

afiSa<br />

jadosnuri parki<br />

amirani<br />

12:30; 14:45; 17:30<br />

kavea galeria<br />

12:45; 15:00<br />

kavea Tbilisi moli<br />

11:50; 15:30; 17:45<br />

kavea isT foinTi<br />

12:10; 14:20; 17:00<br />

Sazami<br />

amirani<br />

19:45<br />

kavea galeria<br />

16:30; 17:00; 22:30<br />

kavea Tbilisi moli<br />

12:30; 14:00; 22:15<br />

kavea isT foinTi<br />

11:50; 19:30; 21:45; 22:30<br />

dambo<br />

amirani<br />

11:45; 14:00; 17:00<br />

kavea galeria<br />

11:50; 12:00; 14:45; 17:15; 19:30<br />

kavea Tbilisi moli<br />

12:00; 14:30; 17:00<br />

kavea isT foinTi<br />

12:30; 15:15; 18:00; 19:15<br />

1 aSS dolari<br />

2.6975<br />

1 evro<br />

3.0347<br />

1 girvanqa sterlingi<br />

3.5041<br />

1 Sveicaruli franki<br />

2.6584<br />

100 rusuli rubli<br />

4.2277<br />

amindi<br />

samSabaTi<br />

oTxSabaTi<br />

xuTSabaTi<br />

paraskevi<br />

SabaTi<br />

kvira<br />

orSabaTi<br />

Tbilisi<br />

14-16 0<br />

16-18 0<br />

15-17 0<br />

16-19 0<br />

17-20 0<br />

20-22 0<br />

21-23 0<br />

quTaisi<br />

11-13 0<br />

15-17 0<br />

16-18 0<br />

22-24 0<br />

24-26 0<br />

25-27 0<br />

24-26 0<br />

baTumi<br />

12-14 0<br />

15-16 0<br />

16-19 0<br />

15-17 0<br />

19-21 0<br />

23-25 0<br />

21-23 0<br />

zugdidi<br />

12-13 0<br />

16-18 0<br />

15-18 0<br />

20-22 0<br />

25-27 0<br />

26-30 0<br />

24-26 0<br />

gori<br />

10-12 0<br />

13-15 0<br />

14-17 0<br />

15-16 0<br />

17-20 0<br />

18-20 0<br />

19-22 0<br />

Telavi<br />

14-16 0<br />

16-19 0<br />

17-20 0<br />

18-21 0<br />

20-23 0<br />

22-24 0<br />

23-25 0<br />

foTi<br />

12-14 0<br />

15-17 0<br />

16-18 0<br />

17-19 0<br />

18-20 0<br />

22-23 0<br />

21-23 0<br />

40<br />

saredaqcio kolegia<br />

yvela ufleba daculia;<br />

`qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli<br />

masalebis nebismieri saxiT<br />

gamoyeneba da gavrceleba<br />

redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad<br />

akrZalulia!<br />

gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul<br />

masalebs aqvT sareklamo<br />

xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia<br />

SeiZleba ar daemTxves<br />

redaqciis Sexedulebas.<br />

mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)<br />

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06<br />

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50<br />

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55<br />

injgia nene 591 71 39 98<br />

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 90<br />

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40<br />

vaSaymaZe xviCa 599 22 82 89<br />

laRaZe Sorena 557 56 23 66<br />

deviZe daviT<br />

stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;<br />

redaqciis misamarTi:<br />

Tbilisi, gudauris N3,<br />

pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;<br />

tel.: 294 69 77;<br />

sareklamo ganyofileba,<br />

gavrcelebis samsaxuri<br />

Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10<br />

gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~<br />

ISSN 2346-8025<br />

294 69 77;<br />

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40 N14 (<strong>275</strong>) 23.04-06.05.2019 w.

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