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sasamarTlom aRmkveT RonisZiebad 

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CalaZis axlobelia da aucile- 

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dapatimreba hqonda gadawyvetili. 

amitomac Sevida prokuratura parlamentSi 

imunitetis moxsnis SuamdgomlobiT. 

Cemi dapatimreba 

surdaT, Torem sxva SemTxvevaSi 

parlamentis Tanxmoba araferSi 

sWirdebodaT. im diliT, parlamentis 

Tanxmobis gareSe, mSvenivrad 

wamiyenes brali dilis 10 saaTze 

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rogorc nebismieri moqalaqe. 

es yvelaferi gadasarevad icoda 

„qarTuli ocnebis” deputaciam, 

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Tvalis gasworeba, rom 

Rilakze xelis daWeriT xmas aZlevdnen 

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Cerebdnen. 

_ eg gasagebia, magram ra mox- 

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im ramdenimesaaTiani sxdomis 

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yvelaferi dainaxa da aRSfoTda. 

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me gadawyvetilebis gamocxadebamdeve 

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is Seasrulebda xelisuflebis 

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_ gamoricxavT, rom swored 

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93 deputati, visac imuniteti 

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aramed umZimesi danaSauli. fexqveS 

gaTela konstitucia, sadac deklarirebulia 

Cveni qveynis sagareo 

kursi, Cveni swrafva evroatlantikur 

struqturebSi integraciisTvis. 

am xelisuflebam 20 

ivniss gavrilovis xeliT demonstraciulad 

daapira Cveni qveynis 

sagareo kursis Secvla. gavrilovi 

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iyo, magram darwmunebuli 

var, araferi SemTxveviT ar momxdara 

da es yvelaferi dagegmili 

iyo ruseTis specsamsaxurebis mier, 

qarTvel maRal Tanamdebobis 

pirebTan erTad da es moRalateobrivi 

aqti im dRes SemTxveviT ar 

CaudeniaT. am umZimes politikur 

danaSaulze sazogadoebis reaqcia 

iyo adekvaturi, am reaqciaze xelisuflebis 

pasuxi ki sruliad 

araadekvaturi. nacvlad imisa, rom 

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xelisuflebas Semxvedri nabiji 

gadaedga da sazogadoebis moTxovnisamebr 

gadaeyenebina batoni 

kobaxiZe, igi baqodan CaerTo, mTeli 

pasuxismgebloba moixsna da 

protokolis samsaxuris braleulobaze 

ilaparaka. aman uaresad 

daZaba situacia. 

_ situaciis daZabvaSi xelisu- 

flebac da rigi Tqveni kolegeb- 

ic, vgulisxmob oTo kaxiZes, bokerias, 

swored Tqven gadanaSaule- 

ben. 

_ ki, kaxiZem ganacxada, rom me, 

nika melias, ar unda gamekeTebina 

provokaciuli da sruliad upasuxismgeblo 

gancxadeba parlamentis 

ezoSi „mSvidobianad Sesvlis” 

Taobaze. Semdeg misi es paTosi 

srulad gaiziara giga bokeriam. 

maTi mtkicebiT, me vyofilvar 

provokatori. aba, sxva vinaa piri, 

romelic aseT dros provokaciul 

gancxadebebs akeTebs? 

me ra gancxadebebic vakeTe im 

dReebSi, sruliad maqvs gaazrebulic 

da gasigrZeganebulic. maTi 

gancxadebebi ki, roca saarCevno 

periodi araa da erTmaneTis pirdapir 

konkurentebs ar warmovadgenT, 

rogorRac partiul kbenebze 

unda amaRldes da metic, bans ar 

unda aZlevdes da eqosaviT ar unda 

imeorebdes imas, rasac es xelisufleba 

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Samfuris wvaSi TeTri xelTaTmanebi 

ar gagvemuros. 9 aprilis Semdeg 

kompartiis propaganda erovnuli 

moZraobis liderebs abralebda 

swored upasuxismgeblo, provokaciuli 

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rgolebad evlinebian biZina ivaniSvilis 

reJims. mets aRar vapireb, 

pasuxi gavce maT gamoxdomebs, met 

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isrebis gadatana arasworia 

_ dRes mTavari samizne ivaniSvilia 

da es yvelas unda esmodes. 

vimeoreb, bolo dReebSi gamoqveynebulma 

uwyvetma kadrebma sruliad 

sapirispiro daadastura _ 

Cans, rogor vcdilob situaciis 

ganmuxtvas, xalxisgan viRebT nebarTvas, 

rom xelisuflebasTan mosalaparakeblad 

SevideT da swored 

am dros iwyeba darbeva. 

me saerTod SvebulebaSi viyavi, 

saguramoSi gaxldiT ojaxTan er- 

Tad da 25 ivnisamde arc vapirebdi 

Camosvlas, magram gavrilovi rom 

iq davinaxe, gulgrili ver davr- 

Cebodi, Camovedi da mivvardi parlamentSi. 

adgilze, roman gociriZesTan, 

kolegebTan erTad miviRe 

gadawyvetileba, rom protestis 

niSnad SevsuliyaviT da davmsxdariyaviT 

sxdomaTa darbazSi da iq 

davlodebodiT kobaxiZis gadadgomas. 

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ar gavidodi manam, sanam kobaxiZe 

ar gadadgeboda. arada, momdevno 

sxdoma 25 ivniss iyo da imasac ki 

vuSvebdi, rom is 5 dRe iq vmjdariyaviT, 

Tuki kobaxiZe ar gadadgeboda. 

saerTod ar vapirebdi Senobidan 

gamosvlas! ki, marTalia, 

gaorebuli viyavi, eWvic mepareboda 

miRebuli gadawyvetilebis sisworeSi, 

bolomde ar viyavi darwmunebuli, 

ramdenad sworad viqceodi, 

rodesac rusTaveli xalx- 

ìvaniSvilma rom dainaxa zRva xalxi 

rusTavelze da raodenoba matulobda da 

matulobda, xelisuflebis dakargvis SeeSinda 

da ase paTologiurad da isteriulad 

imoqmeda. rogorc Cans, marTla egonaT, rom 

xelisufleba im dRes mTavrdeboda. SeiZleba, 

amaT marTla hgoniaT, rom iq viRaca SturmiT 

iRebda Senobas~ 

iT savse iyo da me izolirebulad 

vijeqi parlamentSi, ki, xalxTan 

mindoda yofna, ar vmalav, magram 

es gadawyvetileba mqonda miRebuli 

da gamosvlas ar vapirebdi. 

_ aba, ranairad, ratom aRmoCn- 

diT gareT? 

_ telefonSi pirdapir eTers 

`gaxaria grigoliasTan eTerSi xom saerTod 

eSxSi Sevida da daikarga, saerTod saocreba 

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ra 7 saaTi Sturmi, raixstagia? ra Sturmi? 

iq iyo aRelvebuli xalxi da, ki batono, 

Setakeba iyo, magram ara `specnazsa~ da xalxs 

Soris, aramed anzor CubiniZis razmsa da 

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„rusTavi 2-is” akreditebuli Jurnalisti 

parlamentis Senobidan 

gaaZeves, gamosasarCleblad Cavedi, 

movuwode, rom kari gaeRoT da 

SemoeSvaT. kari gaaRes, vifiqre, 

mixvdnen, rom sisulele gaakeTes 

da deputatis mowodeba gaiTvaliswines-meTqi... 

kari ki gaaRes, magram 

nacvlad imisa, rom is SemoeSvaT, 

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mitingze, sadac arc vapirebdi 

gamosvlas. gareT mar- 

Tlac daZabuli atmosfero iyo, 

ukiduresad aRelvebuli, aRSfoTebuli 

xalxi, romelic erTaderTs 

iTxovda _ kobaxiZis gadadgomas, 

aravis gaxsenebia maSin gaxaria 

da im saaTebSi rom gadamdgariyo 

vaJbatoni kobaxiZe, procesi 

momentalurad kalapots daubrundeboda. 

parlamentidan gamogdebulma 

deputatma, diax, gavakeTe 

gancxadeba, parlamentis ezo- 

Si mSvidobianad, xelebaweul Sesvlaze, 

Tuki kobaxiZe ar gadadgeboda. 

am gancxadebas gamoabes kudi, 

am gancxadebas CaeWida xelisufleba, 

rogorc xavss, am gancxadebas 

eZaxis oTo kaxiZe da bokeria 

upasuxismgeblos da provokaciuls. 

me aravisTvis ar momiwodebia, 

vkiTxe iq Sekrebil sazogadoebas, 

Tu protesti Sedegs ver miaRwevda 

da kobaxiZe ar gadadgeboda, 

SevsuliyaviT Tu ara parlamentis 

ezoSi! jer erTi, xmis aparaturis 

uqnlobis gamo Cemi es kiTxva 

iq myofs bevrs arc aravis 

gaugia, gaigona ramdenime aTeulma 

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im axalgazrdebis didi nawilisTvis, 

vinc iq idga, me aranairi avtoriteti 

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ki iyvnen Cem mimarT ganwyobili. 

vikiTxe, vikiTxe! da vinc 

gaigona, erTsulovnad mipasuxa, 

dameTanxma, rom SevsuliyaviT protestis 

niSnad, magram vin sad Sevida 

an parlamentis ezoSi Sesvla 

gadatrialebaa? xelisuflebam 

amaze aago mTeli propaganda, rom 

xalxisTvis Tvalebis Txra, is sisastike 

„gaepravebina”, TiTqosda 

imitom daarbes xalxi, rom parlamentze 

Sturmi igegmeboda da safrTxe 

iyo myisieri. gaxaria grigoliasTan 

eTerSi xom saerTod eSx- 

Si Sevida da daikarga, saerTod 

saocreba Tqva, 7 saaTis ganmavlobaSi 

midioda Sturmio. ra 7 saaTi 

Sturmi, raixstagia? ra Sturmi? iq 

iyo aRelvebuli xalxi da, ki batono, 

Setakeba iyo, magram ara 

„specnazsa” da xalxs Soris, aramed 

anzor CubiniZis razmsa da momitingeebs 

Soris! diaxac, anzor CubiniZe, 

romelic gaxlavT biZina 

ivaniSvilis dacvis yofili ufrosi, 

biZina ivaniSvilis davalebas asrulebda 

iq, adgilze da xeliT 

uTiTebda, visTvis unda esrolaT 

saxis areSi tyviebi. gvaqvs es kadrebi 

nanaxi. anzor CubiniZis xalxi, 

is 20-30 adamiani, aranairad ar 

warmoadgenda saxelmwifos im 

dRes. specrazmelebi isini ar 

iyvnen, isini iyvnen anzor CubiniZis 

razmis wevrebi. im adamianebsa da 

xalxs Soris Setakeba namdvilad 

moxda. 

_ wina kviras uwyveti kadrebi 

gaavrceleT, romelic saqmeSi 

mtkicebulebad ido da proku- 

raturam mogawodaT. 

_ diax, im kadrebs mTeli 20 dRe 

veZebdiT. im uwyvetma kadrebma 

mTlianad daangria xelisuflebis 

propaganda. im kadrebSi kargad 

Cans yvelaferi. baxtaZem da gaxariam 

SemogvTavzes mosalaparakeblad 

Sesvla, me xalxs vkiTxe da 

nebarTva vTxove, rom SevsuliyaviT. 

miviReT es Tanxmoba da xalxisgan 

nebadarTulebi Sesasvlelisken 

gaveSureT, koridoris gaxsnas 

velodebodiT, rom parlamentSi 

SevsuliyaviT gigi ugulava, 

grigol vaSaZe da me. specrazmis 

me-4-5 mwkrivSi moZraoba SevniSne, 

pirvel mwkrivSi Cem win mdgar specrazmels 

vkiTxe, ra xdeboda. mi- 

Txra, rotaciaao. am dros ramdenimem 

airwinaRi gaikeTa da camowmendilze, 

uceb, srola, darbeva 

daiwyo. gaxaria rom gamodis da 

gaiZaxis, 4-jer gavafrTxileTo, 

vin ra gaafrTxila, specrazmis kordonSi 

mdgomma biWebmac ar icodnen, 

rom darbeva iwyeboda. uwyvetma 

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aranairi myisieri safrTxe, metic, 

aranairi CoCqolic ki ar yofila, 

mosalaparakeblad SevdiodiT da 

am dros srola atexes. 

_ cota ucnaurad ar geCvenebaT? 

_ gaxaria/baxtaZem mosala- 

parakeblad Sesvla SemogTavazes, 

uars ar ambobT, apirebT Sesvlas 

da am dros iwyeba darbeva. Tu 

gaxaria darbevas gegmavda, raRa- 

Si sWirdeboda es Sexvedris Semo- 

Tavazeba? sxvam xom ar miiRo dar- 

bevis gadawyvetileba? 

_ diax, im yvelafris gaTvaliswinebiT, 

rom Cven gaxariam da 

baxtaZem SemogvTavazes Sexvedra 

da moulodnelad daiwyo srola, 

darbeva, es yvelaferi araTu mimtkicebs 

varauds, marwmunebs, rom 

darbevis dawyebis gadawyvetileba 

gaxarias ar miuRia, rac araTu ar 

aTavisuflebs gaxarias pasuxismgeblobisgan, 

aramed kidev ufro um- 

Zimebs mas mdgomareobas! specrazmi 

Tu darbevis Sesaxeb haerze iRebs 

viRacisgan gadawyvetilebas dedamTilis 

an sidedris an Zmakacis 

davalebiT, kidev ufro uaresia misTvis. 

darbevis gadawyvetileba ar 

miuRia gaxarias, me amaSi darwmunebuli 

var da amas, ra Tqma unda, 

uaxloesi momavali naTels mohfens. 

kidev erTi argumenti, romelic 

Cems am varauds amyarebs: erTi 

kviris win mediasTan Sexvedraze 

gaxarias Jurnalistebma araerTxel 

hkiTxes, vin gasca darbevis br- 

Zaneba. man saerTod ar gasca am 

kiTxvas pasuxi! inga grigoliasTan 

eTerSi ki ukve yvelaferi Tavis 

Tavze aiRo. Cans, gaacnobiera, _ 

imis Tqma, rom mas ar gaucia brZaneba, 

misTvisve iqneboda bevrad 

ufro cudi da rTuli. am yvelafris 

Semdeg imdenad aixlarTa, aiblanda 

gaxaria Tavis tyuilebSi, 

ras laparakobs, veRarc igebs. mogexsenebaT, 

matyuara adamians yvelaze 

kargi, fenomenaluri mexsiereba 

unda hqondes, rodis sad 

ra moityua, rom tyuilebSi ar gamoiWiron. 

Cans, mexsiereba saerTod 

ar uvarga am gaxarias. jer iyo 

xalxis mitovebas medavebodnen, 

axla dgas da gaiZaxis, 5-6 saaTamde 

gmirTa moedanze iyo demonstrantebTano. 

nu davwvrilmandebiT 

am detalebze, umZimesi danaSulia 

Cadenili, konstitucia 

fexqveS gaTeles, referendumiT 

xalxma dasavleTisken svla gadawyvita 

da amaT yvelafers gadausves 

xazi! ruseTma rbili Zalis farglebSi 

bolos moReba daapira saqarTvelos 

saxelmwifoebriobis- 

Tvis. tankiT rusi aRar Semova, amas 

gaakeTebs da akeTebs rbili ZaliT, 

ekonomikuri berketebis gamoyenebiT, 

mexuTe kolonaze dayrdnobiT. 

Cven davinaxeT mTeli ruseTis 

agentura da rezidentura, gaSifruli 

zed rusTavelze, rodesac 

diliT adre maT antisaokupacio 

mitingis adgili daikaves. avtobusebiT 

gayves rusTaveli, magram 

amanac ar imuSava. sazogadoeba 

ki ver gaxliCes, aq idga sazogadoeba 

da iqiT dgas ivaniSvil-gaxaria, 

aqeT dgas civilizebuli samyarosken 

swrafva da iqiT _ Waobisken 

swrafva, rogoric aris putinis 

ruseTi. erT mxares idga 

mTeli eri, absoluturi umravlesoba, 

amitomac iZulebulebi gaxdnen, 

im dRes gaparuliyvnen. 

gagrZeleba meoTxe gv. 

3

mesame gverdidan 

_ Tu ara gaxaria, Tqveni azriT, 

vin gasca darbevis es brZaneba? 

_ Cemi varaudiT, es brZaneba 

gaica biZina ivaniSvilis mier anzor 

CubiniZeze da swored anzor 

CubiniZem iq, adgilze, es daavala 

misi ndobiT aRWurvil ramdenime 

pirs im razmSi, romelsac is, 

ratomRac, specnazelebs eZaxis. 20- 

30 adamianzea saubari. 

_ ratom ver imetebs ivaniSvili 

gaxarias? imitom, rom man Seiwera, 

daibrala is gadawyvetileba, 

romelic mas ar miiuRia? 

_ faqtia, SigniT xelisufleba- 

Si Zalian daZabuli viTarebaa eWvianobis 

safuZvelze. mogexsenebaT, 

ramdenime dajgufebaa da erTi dajgufeba 

sxva dajgufebaze fiqrobs, 

rom isini aliansSi xom ar arian 

opoziciasTan da xom ar gvi- 

Txrian Zirs? rodesac xelT gipyria 

Zalaufleba da aseTi eWvebi 

grRrRnis, sisuleleze sisulelis 

keTebis mets aRarafers akeTeb 

da Cven swored axla vuyurebT am 

process. politikuri krizisi er- 

Tia, magram qveyanaSi aris umZimesi 

ekonomikuri krizisi, romelzec 

aravin saubrobs, aRaraferze saubroben, 

aRarc larze, aRarc sawvavaze. 

_ rogor ar saubroben, mag yvelafers 

„nacebsa” da gvaramia- 

gabunias abraleben. 

_ eg mcdeloba axla ar dawye- 


da arc daTanxmdeboda. proporciul 

sistemaze gadasvla misTvis 

ganaCenia, gardauvali marcxia! ar 

daTanxmdeboda amas, magram daRvrilma 

sisxlma aiZula, dakargulma 

Tvalebma aiZula! es iyo, Torem ivaniSvili 

yvelafers daTmobda da 

magas ar daTmobda. amitom rogori 

ia. magram Tu vinme fuliani mova 

da xalxis samsaxurSi Cadgeba da 

realur erovnul saqmes gaakeTebs, 

esec SeumCneveli ar darCeba xalxis 

TvalSi. 

_ proporciuli sistema marT- 

la daTmobaa, magram nulovani 

barieri araa magis ganiorwyleba? 

ra barieriTac ar unda imamaZaRlos, 

maqsimum, SeiZleba, 5 mandati 

hqondes fora. amitom es aris warmoudgenlad 

mZime dartyma biZina 

ivaniSvilisTvis. ase satelitur 

partiebs xelaRebiT ver Seqmnis, 

imitom rom patara sociumi varT, 

yvela yvelas vicnobT, araferi daufaravi 

ar rCeba. Tuki misi xeldasxmiT 

Seiqmneba partia, amas xom 

gavigebT, xalxo? romc Seqmnas, im 

sateliturma partiam xmebi saidan 

unda moitanos, mezobeli saxelmwifosgan 

xom ver wamoiRebs xmebs? 

maRali albaTobiT opoziciur 

xmebs ver miizidavs da didi alba- 

TobiT isev magaT waarTmevs xmebs. 

esec cxadyofs, rom es araa is gadawyvetileba, 

romelic biZina ivaniSvils 

undoda. daTxrili Tvalebis 

damsaxurebaa. damijereT, ase 

Rrmad rom ar Seetopa ivaniSvils, 

kobaxiZesac ki ar gadaayenebda, qucnaSvilis 

mandatis magidaze dadebiT 

ecdeboda am procesis gaCerebas. 

_ ratom Setopa ivaniSvilma? es 

xom ar aCens kidev sxva eWvs, rom 

es direqtiva moskovidan modio- 

da? ivaniSvilis interesSi ratom 

Sedioda im ubedurebis mowyoba, 

ra iseTi safrTxe mas emuqreboda? 

ratom daarbia, ratom daTx- 

ara xalxs Tvalebi? 

_ SeSinebulma qmna. ivaniSvilma 

rom dainaxa zRva xalxi rusTavelze 

da raodenoba matulobda da 

matulobda, xelisuflebis daka- 

tinis mier marTuli. es xelisufleba 

iZulebuli gaxda, qveynidan 

gaeSva gavrilovi, rac ukidures 

Seuracxyofad miiCnia putinma da 

rogorc damsaqmebelma Tavis mier 

dasaqmebuls, ise auwia yuri da 

datuqsa. 

_ morigi samarcxvino aqti. 

Jurnalistis gineba aiyvanes sax- 

elmwifo bodiSebis rangSi, magram 

Semdeg roca putinma saocrebebi 

iZaxa saqarTveloze, krintic ve- 

ravin daZra, pasuxic ver Sebedes. 

_ salome zurabiSvilma sagangebo 

brifingi Caatara da ruseTis 

xelmZRvanelobas mimarTa, provokacias 

ar ahyveTo. anu ar ahyveT 

qarTveli xalxis mier mowyobil 

provokaciaso! anu is mRelvareba, 

is aRSfoTeba, wyroma, romelic ar 

neldeba, es yvelaferi provokaciad 

monaTla saqarTvelos prezidentma! 

momdevno dRes, rodesac 

putinma saocari gancxadeba gaake- 

Ta da aqeT gveZaxa okupantebi, am 

yvelafris Semdeg salome zurabiSvilma 

araTu ar gaakeTa gancxadeba, 

rodesac Jurnalistema hkiTxes, 

gaeqca qali Jurnalistebs!!! am 

gadmosaxedidan sruliad var darwmunebuli, 

rom salome zurabiSvili 

sufTa rusuli proeqtia. 

putinis proeqtia. amiT aixsneba is, 

rom yovelgvari reitingis gareSe 

is kandidatad waradgina „qarTulma 

ocnebam”. gaxsovT, albaT, „ocnebis” 

warmomadgenlebis nawilsac 

ki, mxardamWerebsac ki, ukvirdaT, 

darbevis dawyebis gadawyvetileba 


bula, me SegaxsenebT ramdenime 

wlis win, laris gaufasurebas, magaliTad, 

abralebdnen erovnuli 

bankis prezident giorgi qadagiZes. 

_ ki, axla lari garbis da gven- 

etaZes aravin axsenebs. 

_ ra Tqma unda. saprezidento 

arCevnebis dros kargad maxsovs, 

vaSaZis ramdenime gancxadebas daabrales 

laris gaufasurebis mzardi 

procesi. es araxalia, amaT es 

sisxlSi aqvT, rom yvelaferi, Tavisi 

Casvrili, sakuTari danaSauli 

gadaabralon sxvas. magram aRar 

gasdiT, gaizarda da politikurad 

momwifda sazogadoeba. Cvenma sazogadoebam 

SesaSuri unari gamoiCina 

kvlav erTobisa. mteri sul 

Cveni da Cveni poziciebis daSoriSorebiT 

sargeblobda, magram gadamwyvet 

etapebze, Tu uaxles istoriasac 

gadavxedavT, eri saocari 

energiis mokrebas, SeduRabebis 

unars avlenda da axlac amas vuyurebT 

rusTavelze, sadac Taobebi 

gaerTianda. am adamianebis winaSe 

uZluri aris yvela miliardi, 

romelic biZina ivaniSvils aqvs. 

biZina ivaniSvili, rogorc warsuli, 

ebrZvis momavals da warsulma 

rogor unda daamarcxos momavali? 

_ miliardebi axsene da am 

bolo periodSi bevrma milioner- 

ma gamoxata politikaSi mosvlis 

survili. politikaSi fulianebis 

mosvlis raRac axali talRa iw- 

yeba da es ra fenomenia da amas 

xels xom ar uwyobs is nulovani 

barieri, romelic xurdaSi moay- 

ola ivaniSvilma proporciul 

sistemas? am saxis barieri bevrs 

uqmnis iluzias, rom iolad mox- 

vdebian parlamentSi. 

_ proporciul sistemaze da- 

Tanxmebas ivaniSvili arc apirebda 

barieric ar unda iyos, mniSvneloba 

aRar aqvs, am sistemiT Cven, 

opozicia davamarcxebT biZina 

ivaniSvils. opoziciur platformaze 

ra axali da rogori subieqtebi 

gaCndebian vnaxoT, davelodoT, 

nu gavuswrebT movlenebs. me mivesalmebi 

yvela im adamians, vinc istoriis 

swor mxares dadgeba, viRaca 

fuliani iqneba, viRaca fulis 

gareSe iqneba, viRaca Wkviani iqneba, 

viRaca uWkuo iqneba, viRaca ma- 

Rali iqneba, viRaca dabali iqneba, 

magram istoriis swor mxares idgeba. 

danarCeni xalxma gadawyvitos. 

gamoCndeba, kidev vinmeRa endoba 

Tu ara fulians. ivaniSvilis „wyalobiT” 

fuli apriori aRaravis 

aZlevs upiratesobas, imitom rom 

xalxi 7 welia xedavs, fulianis 

mmarTveloba rasac niSnavs, arafers, 

garda imisa, rom misi kapitali 

izrdeba da Seni mcirdeba. ara 

mgonia, vinme maT aRtacebiT Sexvdes, 

mxolod imitom, rom fulian- 

_ axla biZina ivaniSvili aris 

welSi gadatexili da mokuntuli, 

ufskrulis piras dgas, ukan gza ar 

aqvs, magram mainc amaod cdilobs, 

rom rogorRac moZlierdes, mo- 

Ronierdes, rom isev procesebis 

saTaveSi moeqces. rogorc Tqven 

giyurebT, ai, ise var darwmunebuli, 

rom biZina ivaniSvili Seecdeba, 

saerTod Caagdos es proporciuli 

sistema, cxadia, sxvisi xeliT, 

magaliTad, maJoritarebis. mogexsenebaT, 

sakonstitucio normaa 

Sesacvleli, sakonstitucio umravlesoba 

sWirdeba mis Secvlas. 

maJoritarebs TviTon etyvis, xma 

ar miscen da mere ityvis, aba, ra 

vqnao. amitom ar SeiZleba da ar 

unda amovasunTqoT politikurad 

biZina ivaniSvili. rac Seexeba mag 

bariers, verc eg barieri uSvelis. 

73 maJoritaria da modiT, vTqvaT, 

aqamde, mas hqonda 73-kaciani fora! 

150-dan 73 adgili garantirebuli 

hqonda, proporciuli sistemiT ki 

`me mivesalmebi yvela im adamians, vinc 

istoriis swor mxares dadgeba, viRaca 

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viRaca Wkviani iqneba, viRaca uWkuo iqneba, 

viRaca maRali iqneba, viRaca dabali iqneba, 

magram istoriis swor mxares idgeba. 

danarCeni xalxma gadawyvitos~ 

rgvis SeeSinda da ase paTologiurad 

da isteriulad imoqmeda. 

rogorc Cans, marTla egonaT, rom 

xelisufleba im dRes mTavrdeboda. 

SeiZleba, amaT marTla hgoniaT, 

rom iq viRaca SturmiT iRebda 

Senobas. 

_ ase dabejiTebiT ratom 

gamoricxav moskovidan zars? 

_ zari moskovidan, ra Tqma 

unda, iqneboda! CemTvis „qarTuli 

ocneba” aris saokupacio reJimi! 

„qarTulma ocnebam” 20 ivniss Tavidan 

bolomde Camoiglija niRabi 

da am niRbis ukan davinaxeT, diaxac, 

arc meti da arc naklebi, ruse- 

Tis federaciis interesebi. suverenuli 

xelisufleba Cven ar gvyavs. 

es xelisufleba aris, diaxac, pu- 

rom raRa aseTi urientingo adamiani 

waradgines, romelsac yvela 

lanZRavda. ager, Cemo batono, pasuxi, 

romelic ramdenime dRis win 

sabolood gaica. es adamiani, ra 

Tqma unda, ruseTis federaciis 

kandidatia da axla prezidentad 

monaTluli ukve. Sesabamisad, ra 

gamodis? e. i., prezidentobis kandidatad 

vin SearCia _ salome 

zurabiSvili? „qarTulma ocnebam”? 

_ ara, ruseTis federaciam! 

e. i. ra gamodis „qarTuli ocneba”? 

„qarTuli ocneba” ruseTis federaciis 

marioneti ki ar gamodis, 

xalxo, aramed Tavidan bolomde 

Sezelilia ruseTis interesebs. es 

aris cxadze ucxadesi. 

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eliso kilaZe 

599 17 12 12 

„qarTul ocnebas” rTuli dRee- 

bi udgas. „gavrilovis Ramis” mere politikuri krizisi kidev 

ufro Rrmavdeba. rusTavelis prospeqtze momitingeebi 25-e dRea, 

Sinagan saqmeTa ministris gadadgomas iTxoven. es „ocnebis” 

mmarTvelobis periodSi yvelaze xangrZlivi protestia. Sinagan 

saqmeTa ministri giorgi gaxaria momxdarze pasuxismgeblobas 

Tavad iRebs, ambobs, rom brZaneba man gasca, magram gadadgomas 

gamoZiebis dasrulebamde ar apirebs, gamoZiebas ki mTavari 

prokuratura awarmoebs da, jerjerobiT, arc erTi piri, romel- 

ic mSvidobian momitingeebs damiznebiT esroda, dasjili araa. 

gaafrTxiles Tu ara aqciis monawileebi? 

giorgi gaxaria ambobs, 

rom aqciis darbevamde monawileebi 

gaafrTxiles. missave versias 

uaryofs Ss ministris pirveli moadgile, 

kaxa sabanaZe da acxadebs, 

rom egzaltirebuli masis gafrTxilebas, 

ubralod, azri ar hqonda, 

SefasebebSi ki kidev ufro win 

wavida, _ mSvidobiani momitingeebi 

aqciis daSlisas saerTod ar 

daSavebulano. 

asea Tu ise, Zalovani uwyeba 

arcTu saxarbielo mdgomareoba- 

Sia. giorgi gaxarias, rogorc krizisebis 

marTvis menejeris imiji, 

mniSvnelovnad Seirya, _ man optimaluri 

gamosavali Seqmnili situaciidan, 

ubralod, ver monaxa. 

gasuli wlis 13-14 maisis aqciebisgan 

gansxvavebiT, aqciis organizatorebi 

mas arc daxurul kars 

miRma xvdebian da arc kompromisebze 

esaubrebian. sazogadoebis ganwyobac 

calsaxad saministros winaaRmdegaa, 

radgan 20 ivnisis aqcia 

Cveulebrivi aqcia ar iyo da mas 

romelime politikuri partia ar 

marTavda. es iyo antisaokupacio 

protesti da misi am formebiT da- 

Slam duRilis temperatura kidev 

ufro maRla awia. 

warumatebeli aRmoCnda daviT 

qacaravas mowodebac, rom gareji 

saqarTvelom dakarga da axla 

aucilebelia protestis daviTgarejSi 

gagrZeleba. rusTavelis aqciis 

monawileebma es mowodeba 

ZiriTadi aqciis ZiriTadi moTxovnebis 

Secvlis mcdelobad miiCnies 

da daviTgarejSi protestis 

gagrZelebaze uari Tqves. rusTavelis 

aqcias erTaderTi moTxovna 

aqvs _ gadadges Sinagan saqmeTa 

ministri giorgi gaxaria da ar 

apireben am moTxovnebis Secvlas, 

arc qacaravas da arc politikuri 

partiebis liderebis gamo. 

Tu gavixsenebT imasac, rom antisaokupaco 

moZraobis lideri 

realurad putinis „alfa bankTan” 

TanamSromlobs, maTi bankis mier 

dafinansebul turistul proeqt- 

Sia CarTuli da rogorc Tavad 

adasturebs, puris fuls akeTebs, 

Zneli gamosacnobi ar unda iyos, 

daviTgarejSi protestis gadatana 

romeli qveynis interesebs SeiZleba 

emsaxurebodes. „alfa bankis” warmomadgenlebisa 

da qacaravas 

TbilisSi Sexvedrisa da restoran- 

Si qeifis amsaxveli video „qronika+~-ma 

gasul wels gamoaqveyna. 

politikuri krizisi kidev ufro 

gaRrmavdeba Semodgomaze, roca 

proporciul saarCevno sistemaze 

gadasvlis sakiTxis ganxilva 

unda daiwyos. 

Cveni wyaros informaciiT, swored 

Semodgomaze gegmavs biZina 

ivaniSvili mTavrobis Secvlas, 

swored axali saxeebiT surs 2020- 

is saparlamento arCevnebamde misvla, 

magram „qarTulma ocnebam” 

sakuTari sakadro resursi ukve 

amowura. mokle saTadarigo skami 

aqvs fond „qarTusac”, ivaniSvili 

ki axal saxeebs mxolod axlo 

garemocvaSi eZebs. am etapisTvis 

mas arc premieris kandidatura 

hyavs da arc Sinagan saqmeTa ministris, 

sxva ministrebze aRarafers 

vambobT, amitom axali saxeebis mo- 

Zebna mas uTuod gauWirdeba. aseve 

ar ician, rogor dakompleqtdeba 

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levan vasaZes 

daiWeren? 

„qarTuli ocnebis” saparlamento 

sia. dReis monacemebiT partiis reitingi 

qvemoT modis da mas administraciuli 

resursic ki ar uWers 

mxars. 

ivaniSvilis mTavrobis mTavar 

gamowvevad isev rCeba korufcia _ 

„ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi mosvlis 

pirvelive wlebSi irakli RaribaSvilis 

klani Seesia biujetsa da bizness, 

iyo wilebis gadanawilebebi, 

axevebi, tenderebis „atkatebi” da 

a. S. Cveni wyaros informaciiT, 

RaribaSvilis garemocvam ramdenime 

aseuli milioni moipara. garkveuli 

periodis ganmavlobaSi saubari 

iyo imaze, rom kaxelebis kartelis 

cnobad saxeebs daiWerdnen, 

saubari iyo zviad janyaraSvilze 

da daviT SavliaSvilzec, magram 

kuluarebSi gavrcelebuli informaciiT, 

SavliaSvilma „ocnebis” 

xelisufleba daaSantaJa, _ damiWerT 

da yvelafers movyvebio. igive 

gaakeTa zviad janyaraSvilmac da 

Tavic swored ase gadairCines. elguja 

xokriSvili ki prezidentma 

margvelaSvilma germaniaSi gaamwesa 

elCad. kaxelebis kartels ase 

SerCa moparuli milionebi. 

RaribaSvilis Tanamdebobidan 

gadayenebis mere ivaniSvilma premieris 

kandidaturad giorgi kvirikaSvilis 

kandidatura SemogvTavaza, 

gviTxra, rom igi wesieri kacia 

da yvela vnaxavT, rogor imuSavebs. 

arada, kvirikaSvili, dimitri 

qumsiSvilTan erTad, ramdenime 

wlis win Tavad hyavda gagdebuli 

„qarTu jgufidan” da roca ekonomikis 

ministrs eZebda, gia xuxaSvilis 

rekomendaciiT daniSna 

Tanamdebobaze. 

giorgi kvirikaSvilis, dimitri 

qumsiSvilis, zurab alaviZisa da 

sxvebis korufciul sqemebze „qronika+” 

bevrs werda, maT xelSi iyo 

daumTavrebeli sagzao tenderebi 

da „atkatebi”, mikrosafinanso organizaciebi 

rusuli kapitaliT, 

ruseTis moqalaqeebze pirdapiri 

miyidvis wesiT mikuTvnebuli Tbilisis 

istoriuli centri, bolos 

saqme iqamde mivida, rom es deklarirebulad 

prodasavluri lideri 

prezident lukaSenkos ewuwuneboda, 

_ bebia myavda rusi, ruseTTan 

urTierTobis dalagebas 

alternativa ar aqvso. 

kulminacia ivaniSvil-kvirikaSvilis 

urTierTobaSi iyo amerikaSi 

misi warmatebuli viziti, rasac mamuka 

xazaraZis lobistebis daxmarebiT 

miaRwia da iq naTqvami frazebi, 

rom qveyanas hyavs araformaluri 

mmarTveli, romelic saqarTvelos 

winsvlas mniSvnelovnad aferxebs. 

ivaniSvils kvirikaSvilis moxsna g- 

auWirda, politikidan wasuls ukan 

dabrunebamac mouwia, radgan kvirikaSvils 

ukve mTeli partiuli da 

saxelisuflebo vertikali xelSi 

eWira, bolos iqamdec mividnen, rom 

Tu kvirikaSvili ar gadadgeboda, 

Tanamdebobas datovebda ramdenime 

ministri da aucilebeli gaxdeboda 

premierisTvis xelaxali ndobis 

gamocxadebac. 

giorgi kvirikaSvili wavida, 

amave periodSi gamJRavnda, rom 

mTavar prokuraturaSi Seqmnili 

iyo specjgufi, romelic premierisa 

da misi garemocvis korufciul 

sqemebze muSaobda, zurab alaviZe 

dakiTxes kidec da araoficialuri 

informaciiT, kvirikaSvilis 

garemocvis mier biujetis- 

Tvis naqurdali Tanxac daTvales 

_ 750 milioni dolari. irakli 

SoTaZis Tanamdebobidan gadayenebis 

mere aravin icis, ra bedi ewia am 

sisxlis samarTlis saqmes. faqtia, 

rom kvirikaSvilis garemocvidan 

dakavebuli, jerjerobiT, aravinaa. 

elitaruli korufciis paralelurad, 

korufcia yvavis regionebSi, 

maRali da saSualo donis Cinovnikebi 

gadasulebi arian fulis 

keTebaze, am fonze ki susis antikorufciuli 

saagentos mier aTamde 

dabali rangis Cinovniki da 

erTi meria dakavebuli. 

ivaniSvilis kidev erTi gamowveva 

qarTul politikaSi mamuka xazaraZis 

gamoCenaa. 

mamuka xazaraZe sakuTar imijs 

bolo ori aTeuli wlis ganmavlobaSi 

qmnida. warmatebuli biznesmeni, 

mecenati, qarTuli literaturis 

qomagi, premia „sabas” damfuZnebeli, 

mravalSviliani mama da 

tradiciuli qarTuli ojaxis patroni. 

is politikisgan distancirebuli 

arasodes yofila, magram 

uSualod arasodes monawileobda 

am procesSi. premier kvirikaSvilis 

dros man ambiciuri proeqtis, 

anakliis portis mSenebloba 

daiwyo. rodis gairbina Savma 

katam massa da ivaniSvils Soris, 

Zneli saTqmelia, magram gavrcelebuli 

informaciiT, am saqmeSi lomis 

wili vano CxartiSvilma iTamaSa. 

mTavar prokuraturaSi fulis 

gaTeTrebis saqmeze dawyebulma 

gamoZiebam xazaraZis reputacia 

mniSvnelovnad daazarala. sabolood 

gairkva, rom mas ivaniSvilis 

saxeliT giorgi gaxaria uyenebda 

ultimatumebs. dReis mdgomareobiT 

arc gamoZiebis mimdinareobis 

Sesaxeb viciT rame da arc londonSi 

daniSnuli gaxarias werilis 

eqspertizis Sedegebia cnobili, 

realurad anakliis portis mSenebloba 

Seferxebulia da swored 

am fonze mamuka xazaraZe gancxadebas 

akeTebs, rom Semodgomaze sazogadoebriv 

moZraobas qmnis da 

politikaSi mosvlas apirebs. rTulad 

warmosadgenia, rom mamuka 

xazaraZem es gadawyvetileba damoukideblad, 

amerikel lobistebTan 

SeTanxmebis gareSe miiRo. 

damoukidebeli finansuri personis 

gamoCena qarTul politikaSi 

ivaniSvilis Tavis tkivilia, gansakuTrebiT 

im fonze, roca politikuri 

temperatura sakmaod maRalia. 

oridan erTia _ an xazaraZem 

es gancxadeba imitom gaakeTa, rom 

mere ivaniSvils sakuTar pirobebze 

daelaparakos, anac is namdvilad 

erTveba saarCevno maraTon- 

Si da 2020-is saparlamento arCevnebze 

warmatebisTvis ibrZolebs, 

radgan am qveyanaSi politikuri 

lobis gareSe biznesis keTeba ukve 

warmoudgenelia. 

politikur ambiciebsa da parlamentSi 

lobze Riad alaparakdnen 

biznesfederaciaSic, gancxadeba 

laSa papaSvilmac gaakeTa, Tumca, 

rogorc Cans, es biznesjgufi 

damoukideblad gamova asparezze 

da isini xazaraZis mokavSireebi ar 

iqnebian. 

Seqmnili politikuri situacia 

martivi namdvilad araa, duRilis 

temperatura imatebs rogorc xelisuflebis 

SigniT, ise xelisuflebis 

gareT. ra gamosavals ipovis 

biZina ivaniSvili Seqmnili situaciidan 

da ra strategias airCevs 

2020-is saparlamento arCevnebze, 

jer amaze saubari naadrevia, magram 

kuluaruli informaciiT 

ivaniSvilis mTavari samizne, am 

etapze, arc meti arc naklebi, levan 

vasaZea, xelisuflebaSi vasaZis 

araprognozirebadi gamoxtomebi 

nervebs uSliT. mas SeuZlia, sruliad 

moulodnelad Seqmnas daZabulobis 

kera TbilisSi da nebismier 

aseT situaciaSi sapatriarqo 

uWers mxars. swored sapatriarqos 

upirobo mxardaWeris gamoa, rom 

vasaZis tons rixi emateba da emateba. 

„qronika+~-is wyaros informaciiT, 

generalurma prokuraturam 

ukve miiRo davaleba, levan vasaZis 

mimarT gamoZieba dawyebulia da 

araa gamoricxuli, is uaxloes momavalSi 

daakavon kidec. ra moxdeba 

vasaZis dakavebis SemTxvevaSi, 

Zneli saTqmelia, magram is, rom 

raindis moqmedebebi nel-nela yovelgvar 

zRvars gadadis, faqtia. 

mokled, cxeli zafxulis mere 

win aranakleb cxeli Semodgoma 

gvelodeba. 

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daxurul formatSi politologebsa 

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vedra 20-21 ivnisis movlenebs exeboda. miwveul eqspertebs 

Soris iyo saerTaSoriso urTierTobebis eqsperti Tornike 

SaraSeniZe. raze isaubra ministrma daxurul Sexvedraze? 

ramdenad damajerebeli iyo gaxarias argumentebi? SeZlebs Tu 

ara is, sazogadoeba Tavis simarTleSi daarwmunos? ratom 

iRebs sakuTar Tavze srul pasuxismgeblobas? 

aRniSnul da mimdinare poli- 

tikur Temebze „qronika+~ eqsp- 

ert Tornike SaraSeniZes esaubra: 

_ politikuri mocemulobis 

cvlileba qveyanaSi gavrilovis 

vizitiT daiwyo. rogor fiqrobT, 

iyo Tu ara es „qarTuli ocneb- 

is” morigi „orosnoba”, rogorc 

Tqven ambobT xolme mmarTveli 

gundis Sefasebisas? 

_ ra Tqma unda, „orosnoba” 

iyo. maT SeeZloT, es asamblea 

parlamentis garda nebismier sxva 

adgilas CaetarebinaT da rac moxda, 

is ar moxdeboda. sxva Tu araferi, 

adamianebi ar dasaxiCrdebodnen. 

es iyo, albaT, Cveulebrivi 

„orosnobis” Sedegi. miT umetes, 

rac Semdeg moxdeba, imiT 

„qarTulma ocnebam” waago. saubroben 

imaze, rom es mmarTveli gundis 

dadgmuli provokacia iyo. msgavs 

sulelur SeTqmulebis TeoriebSi 

namdvilad ar waval. aravis 

provokacia es ar yofila, rogorc 

aRvniSne, es iyo „ocnebis” 

orosnoba, rac Semdeg opoziciam 

gamoiyena da ratomac ara. 

_ Semdeg rac moxda, imaze uSualod 

xelisuflebis pasuxismge- 

blobas xedavT Tu opoziciis 

pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi dgas? 

ramdenad seriozulia „saSvebis 

revoluciaze” saubari? 

_ „saSvebis revoluciaze” ar 

minda arafris Tqma, radgan eqspertebTan 

Sexvedris dros gaxariam 

ramdenime detalze isaubra, 

rac, wesiT, gareT ar unda gamosuliyo. 

gaxaria apirebs, mogvianebiT 

Tavad moyves Tavisi versia, 

amitom saSvebTan dakavSirebiT 

detalebze ar visaubreb, 

sjobs, TviTon moyves. Tu aqvs 

Tavisi simarTle, gaxaria Seecdeba, 

daamtkicos. rac Seexeba „gavrilovis 

Rames”, me im saRamos aqciaze 

viyavi. sanam es ubedureba 

daiwyeboda vxedavdi, rogorc 

cdilobdnen parlamentSi SeWras, 

rac, simarTle giTxraT, ar momewona. 

es gadawyvetileba ar iyo 

swori. aqciidan wamosvlis Semdeg 

televizorSi vnaxe, rac moxda. 

bunebrivia, darbeva gacilebiT 

uaresi iyo parlamentSi SeWraze. 

am nawilSi mTavari kiTxva, rac 

CemTvis Cndeba, aris: aucilebeli 

iyo Tu ara aseTi mZime pasuxi parlamentSi 

SeWris mcdelobaze? me 

am kiTxvaze pasuxi namdvilad ar 

maqvs da zustad ar vici, aseTi 

pasuxi ramdenad aucilebeli iyo. 

rusTavelze rom videqi da vuyurebdi 

am procesebs, meCveneboda, 

rom policia am demonstrantebs 

nel-nela igeriebda, amitom Semdeg 

ra moxda, es xalxma gansajos, 

mas Semdeg, rac yvela mxridan naxaven 

kadrebs. Cven aseve vnaxeT 

saintereso kadrebi, sadac melia 

ambobs, rom molaparakebaze Sesvlas 

apireben. amitomac Cven unda 

vnaxoT yvela kadri, erTiani suraTi 

da Semdeg vTqvaT, vin ra 

daaSava. faqtia, rom xelisuflebam 

Zalas gadaameta, amas veravin 

gaeqceva da am etapze es aris mTavari. 

opoziciasTan SedarebiT, 

ufro meti pasuxismgebloba yovelTvis 

xelisuflebas moeTxoveba. 

_ „gavrilovis Ramis” Semdeg 

sabolood dakarga Tu ara 

„qarTulma ocnebam” moraluri 

upiratesoba 

„nacionalur 

moZraobasTan” SedarebiT? 

_ bunebrivia, „qarTulma ocnebam” 

es moraluri upiratesoba 

dakarga. am mTavrobas saTqmeli 

hqonda, rom: ki batono, varT uniaToebi, 

magram sastikebi mainc ar 

varTo. Tumca Cven vnaxeT, rom im 

Rames maTac gamoiCines sisastike. 

maTi saqcielis gamarTleba imiT, 

rom „nacionalebic” igives akeTebdnen 

_ es namdvilad samarcxvinoa. 

daaxloebiT, imaze uaresia, 

roca miSa ambobda: SevardnaZis 

dros deni ar hqondaT da me gavanaTe 

saqarTveloo, diax, marTalia, 

magram 2012 wels deni aravis 

ukvirda. axla, 2019 wels, Tu ambob 

da edrebi, rom 7 noembers da 

26 maiss ufro sastikad daarbies 

aqcia, _ es namdvilad ar aris saamayo. 

mas Semdeg cxovreba win wavida 

da nebismier Semdeg mTavrobas, 

winasTan SedarebiT, cota 

meti moeTxoveba. 

_ Ss ministrTan Sexvedris 

mTavari mizani ra iyo? 

_ am Sexvedras sainformacio 

xasiaTi hqonda. Cven vxedavT, rom 

yvela sxva ministri Cumad aris da 

wina frontze mxolod gaxariaa 

wamosuli, is iRebs sakuTar Tavze 

yvelafers. Cemi azriT, imaze mets, 

vidre ekuTvnis. ver gamigia, ra 

xdeba?! Cemi piradi analizi am 

TemasTan dakavSirebiT aris is, 

rom mas unda, am situaciaSi yvelaferi 

Tavis Tavze aiRos, man 

gadaagoros es krizisi, man gamoiyvanos 

am xaTabalidan „qarTuli 

ocnebis” mTavroba da, Sesabamisad, 

kidev ufro gaimyaros poziciebi. 

anu raRacnairad gaxaria 

riskavs, SeiZleba iTqvas, va-bankze 

midis. 

_ gaxariasTan Sexvedris Semdeg 

SegecvalaT Tu ara damok- 

idebuleba movlenebis mimarT. 

aseve kiTxvaze: vin gasca brZane- 

ba? _ bundovani pasuxi arsebobs 

dRemde. Sexvedraze ramdenad 

damajerebeli pasuxi miiReT am 

kiTxvaze? 

_ am kiTxvaze maincdamainc damajerebeli 

pasuxi ver miviRe. gaxaria 

ambobs, rom yvelafers Tavis 

Tavze iRebs, magram es ar mimaCnia 

damajerebel pasuxad, rom yvelaferi 

misi gakeTebulia. eWvi mepareba, 

rom am saqmeSi mxolod 

gaxariaa yvelaferi, _ ase martivad 

ar meCveneba. rac Seexeba Sexvedris 

Semdeg Semecvala Tu ara 

damokidebuleba da Sefaseba ganviTarebuli 

movlenebis mimarT, 

kadrebi, rac Cven im Rames vnaxeT, 

, ra Tqma unda, sastiki da gaumar- 

Tlebelia. ubralod, gaxarias 

rom vesaubreT, man imdenad mkveTrad 

daafiqsira, rom am yvelaferze 

pasuxismgeblobas iRebs, Semi- 

Zlia giTxraT, Sexvedramde, rac 

mqonda ganwyoba, rom gaxaria Tavis 

Tavze zedmet pasuxismgeblobas 

iRebda, es ganwyoba ufro 

Tornike SaraSeniZe: 

`Tu gadadgomazea 

saubari, aseT 

SemTxvevaSi sxvebic 

unda wavidnen. 

marto is ratom 

unda gadadges, 

Zalovnebi ras 

akeTeben?!~ 

gamimyarda. 

_ ramdenjerme axseneT, rom Ss 

ministri sakuTar Tavze imaze 

met pasuxismgeblobas iRebs, vidre 

saWiroa. man Tqva, rom zustad 

imitom, rom es pasuxismgebloba 

aqvs, ar gadadgeba da saq- 

mis gamoZiebas bolomde miiyvans. 

ramdenad logikuria is, rom misi 

ministrobis periodSi es saqme 

obieqturad iqneba gamoZiebuli? 

_ gaxarias pozicias mogaxsenebT, 

is ambobs, rom ramdenime 

xanSi gamova, yvelafers erTianad 

warmoadgens da Seecdeba, Tavisi 

simarTle daamtkicos. Tu ver 

daamtkicebs, radgan Tavis Tavze 

iRebs yvelafers, aseT SemTxveva- 

Si, unda gadadges. vnaxoT, ras 

`Cven vxedavT, rom yvela sxva ministri Cumad 

aris da wina frontze mxolod gaxariaa 

wamosuli, is iRebs sakuTar Tavze yvelafers. 

Cemi azriT, imaze mets, vidre ekuTvnis. ver 

gamigia, ra xdeba?! Cemi piradi analizi am 

TemasTan dakavSirebiT aris is, rom mas unda, 

am situaciaSi yvelaferi Tavis Tavze aiRos, 

man gadaagoros es krizisi, man gamoiyvanos am 

xaTabalidan "qarTuli ocnebis" mTavroba da, 

Sesabamisad, kidev ufro gaimyaros poziciebi. 

anu raRacnairad gaxaria riskavs, SeiZleba 

iTqvas, va-bankze midis~ 

warmoadgens da ramdenad SeZlebs 

simarTlis damtkicebas. Tu gadadgomazea 

saubari, aseT SemTxveva- 

Si sxvebic unda wavidnen. marto 

is ratom unda gadadges, ra xdeba? 

Zalovnebi ras akeTeben?! aqciis 

monawileebi, romlebic dganan 

da mis gadadgomas iTxoven, gulwrfelebi 

arian TavianT moTxovnaSi 

da maT naklebad aqvT politikuri 

dRis wesrigi. politikosebi 

ki „awvebian” gaxarias, radgan 

is SedarebiT ufro Zlieri da 

azriani ministria am mTavrobis 

fonze, bunebrivia, rom opozicias 

misi moSoreba unda. es gasagebia 

da es aris, rac gareT Cans, magram 

SigniT ra xdeba da ra procesebi 

midis mTavrobaSi, aseve sxva ministrebi 

ras akeTeben, _ es sainteresoa. 

Tu simarTlis dadgena 

gvinda, maSin bolomde unda davadginoT. 

mxolod erTi kacia 

damnaSave? ratom iRebs es kaci 

amdens sakuTar Tavze? bunebrivia, 

„ocnebas” awyobs, rom yvelaferi 

gaxariam aiRos sakuTar Tavze. 

aseve unda gaviTvaliswinoT, rom 

„ocnebaSi” Zalian bevrs gaxaria 

ar uyvars. rac Seexeba ivaniSvils, 

is cdilobs, mudmivad balansi 

SeinarCunos gundSi da arc erTi 

gaZlierdes zedmetad. gaxaria, 

kalaZe, aseve RaribaSvili wamoiCita 

xelaxla. mas sWirdeba es ramdenime 

moTamaSe, rom erTmaneTi 

abalanson. gaxarias wasvliT seriozuli 

vakuumi Cndeba da avtomaturad 

kalaZe Zlierdeba. kalaZes 

ki, Zalianac rom undodes bi- 

Zinas, ver CamoiSorebs, radgan ar- 

Ceul Tanamdebobazea, is Tbilisis 

meria da TavisTavad seriozuli 

gavlena aqvs. anu ivaniSvils gaxarias 

gadadgomiT mTeli es konstruqcia 

eSleba. aseve maT realurad 

kadrebi ar hyavT, vinRa 

darCaT saerTod?! rogorc Cans, 

eSinia, rom gaxarias wasvliT mas 

mTeli konstruqcia Tavze daengreva. 

ar mjera, rom gaxaria moskovis 

daniSnulia da msgavsi SeTqmulebis 

Teoriebis. amis ukan, 

rogorc wesi, ubralod, spekulaciebi 

dgas da meti araferi. kargad 

vici, roca gaxaria saqa- 

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pasuxismgeblobas iRebs~ 

rTveloSi dabrunda, cdilobda, 

Cems institutSi, „jipaSi”, leqciebi 

waekiTxa da am mimarTulebiT 

gaegrZelebina saqmianoba. saerTodac, 

vici, rom ivaniSvils gaxaria 

swored gia xuxaSvilma gaacno. 

mTeli is istoria vici, Tu rogor 

dauaxlovda is ivaniSvils _ ra 

SuaSia aq moskovis daniSnuli?! 

_ am yvelafris paralelurad, 

Cven vxedavT, rom gaxarias gada- 

dgomis moTxovniT aqciebi ukve 

sam kviraze metia, grZeldeba. ra- 

Rac logikuri dasasruli am sa- 

protesto muxts xom unda hqo- 

ndes? arsebobs Tu ara imis al- 

baToba, rom es muxti Cacxreba? 

_ bunebrivia, mTavroba elodeba, 

rom odesRac es mitingi daiSleba 

da damTavrdeba, yvelafers 

aqvs Tavisi bolo. aSkarad amas 

elodeba xelisufleba. davelodoT 

gaxarias, ramdenad moaxerxebs 

Tavis simarTleSi adamianebis 

darwmunebas. 

_ iqidan gamomdinare, rac 

Tqven daxurul Sexvedraze mo- 

ismineT, ramdenad didi Sansi aqvs 

gaxarias, rom es axalgazrdebi 

Tavis simarTleSi daarwmunos? 

_ bunebrivia, Zalian gauWirdeba, 

radgan gaxaria mtris xatad 

aris qceuli. me mis adgilas, 

maincdamainc, optimisturad ganwyobili 

ar viqnebodi, magram 

mainc davelodoT, ras apirebs. 

CvenTan Sexvedrisas, ra Tqma unda, 

mas es yvelaferi ar uTqvams. 

_ giorgi gabunias Sesaxebac 

minda gkiTxoT, man Ria eTerSi 

agina vladimir putins, ris Sem- 

degac xelisuflebam gancxadeba 

gaakeTa da saerTaSoriso orga- 

nizaciebs mimarTa, Sesabamisad 

emoqmedaT, ras emsaxureboda xe- 

lisuflebis es qmedeba? 

_ xelisuflebam saerTaSoriso 

organizaciebs rom mimarTa, es 

saerTod araferSi jdeba da arc 

araferSi weria. es iyo marTlac 

samarcxvino. rogorc Cans, ise 

dapanikdnen da ise SeeSindaT 

ruseTis xelaxali gabrazebis, 

rom siCqareSi es „saswauli” SeTxzes. 

mgoni, Semdeg mixvdnen, rom 

sisulele mouvidaT. rac Seexeba 

gabunias saqciels, Cven unda gaviTvaliswonoT, 

rom saqme gvaqvs 

ruseTisnair rTul qveyanasTan. 

es aris rTuli da sakmaod emociuri, 

dakompleqsebuli qveyana. magaliTad, 

tramps aginebs mTeli 

msoflio, magram amerika amis gamo 

sanqciebs aravis adebs. amerikaSi 

demokratiaa da sul sxva situaciaa, 

ruseTis SemTxvevaSi ki gansxvavebuli 

mocemuloba gvaqvs. 

gavrilovis Semdeg urTierTobebi 

Zlivs dalagda, gabunias gamoxtomam 

ki marTla SeaSina Cveni 

mTavroba, kidev raRac ar moxdeso. 

putinma ki jer Tavisi parlamentarebi 

akivla da isterika 

moawyobina Tavis parlaments, bolomde 

miuSva, Cven vnaxeT, rom xan 

riT gvemuqrebodnen xan _ riT. 

Semdeg ki gamovida putini da keTili 

mefis roli iTamaSa, viRac gabunias 

gamo xom ar davadeb sanqciebso. 

mokled, masterklasi Caatara. 

man Searcxvina Tavisi parlamentic 

da Cveni „orosnebic”. 

_ gavrilovis Semdeg vnaxeT, 

rom ruseTma sakmaod mkacri 

gadawyvetilebebi miiRo. rogor 

fiqrobT, ra SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba 

wavides putini garkveul daT- 

mobebze? 

_ didi xania, rusul politikas 

vakvirdebi da vswavlob. gavrilovis 

Semdeg rusul mediaSi 

Zalian mZime da uaryofiTi foni 

iyo Seqmnili. maT, Cemi azriT, 

Zalian naCqarevi da araadekvaturi 

gadawyvetileba miiRes, roca 

reisebi gaaCeres. Semdeg ki, mgoni, 

mixvdnen, rom SeeSalaT, radgan, 

realurad, maT ufro awyobT is 

situacia, romelic 2012 wlidan 

gavrilovamde Seiqmna. es situacia 

aSkarad zrdida ruseTis gavlenas 

saqarTveloSi, vfiqrob, rom 

Seecdebian, daabrunon is situacia. 

samwuxarod, jer Cveni biznesi 

ver axerxebs evrokavSiris bazarze 

gasvlas, ise rogorc saWiroa 

da mainc ufro damokidebuli 

varT rusul bazarze da ratom 

unda gaaCeron rusebma es statuskvo?! 

amitomac nel-nela daabruneben 

imas, rac gavrilovamde 

iyo. 

_ am pirobebSi ramdenad mniSvnelovania 

bazris diversifikacia 

da turizmis kuTxiT, evropis 

mosaxleobaze aqcentis ga- 

N24 (285) 16.07-22.07.2019 w. 

`maT SeeZloT, es asamblea parlamentis garda nebismier sxva adgilas 

CaetarebinaT da rac moxda, is ar moxdeboda. sxva Tu araferi, adamianebi 

ar dasaxiCrdebodnen. es iyo, albaT, Cveulebrivi òrosnobis~ Sedegi. miT 

umetes, rac Semdeg moxdeba, imiT `qarTulma ocnebam~ waago~ 

keTeba, Tu imdenad varT mibmu- 

li ruseTze, rom srulad ver 

Canacvldeba? 

_ roca amxela qveyana Seni mezobelia, 

bunebrivia, ginda ar ginda, 

misi wili yovelTvis didi 

iqneba. isic unda vTqvaT, rom CvenTan 

unda aiwios servisis xarisxi, 

swored imitom, rom meti turisti 

Camovides evropidan. piradad 

Zalian ar momwons momsaxurebis 

xarisxi aWaraSi, Tavmoyvare evropelebis 

didi nawili meored aRar 

Camova, roca siZvires dainaxavs da 

am siZviris kvalobaze dabal xarisxs. 

keTili inebon da xarisxi awion, 

ramdeni xani SeiZleba iyo aseTi 

damokidebulebiT, rom mainc 

Camova xalxi, _ am midgomiT Tavisufali 

bazari ar muSaobs. pirvel 

rigSi, es maTi bralia, rusi turistebis 

didi nawili rom wavida. 

sakuTar Tavs mokiTxon mizezi, 

xarisxi ise unda awion, rom rusebis 

garda, sxvebmac iaron. 

_ proporciul sistemaze ga- 

dasvlasTan dakavSirebiT minda 

gkiTxoT: erTi nawili fiqrobs, 

rom es axalgazrdebis protestis 

monapovaria, meore nawilis azriT, 

proporciuli arCevnebi nu- 

lovani barieriT _ es ivaniSvilis 

morigi xrikia, Tqven rogor Sea- 

fasebT? ramdenad mzad arian 

politikuri partiebi imisTvis, 

rom proporciul sistemaze ga- 

dasvlis procesi warmatebiT 

ganxorcieldes? 

_ pranWvebi, imasTan dakavSirebiT, 

rom nulovani barieri cudia 

_ arasworia. es iyo seriozuli 

daTmoba. saubroben imaze, rom es 

ivaniSvilis xrikia da raRacas 

apirebs. SesaZloa, apirebs kidec, 

magram imis SiSiT, rom ivaniSvili 

raRacas apirebs, proporciulze 

uaris Tqma da raRac pirobebis 

dayeneba, Cemi azriT, arasworia. 

mikvirs, ratom ar sxdebian mosalaparakeblad 

da ratom ar msjeloben, 

rogor gadavidnen proporciul 

sistemaze. es gacilebiT 

mniSvnelovania axla, vidre sxva 

danarCeni. rac Seexeba „nacionaluri 

moZraobis” damokidebulebas, 

maTi Tavdapirveli uaryofi- 

Ti damokidebuleba imiT iyo ganpirobebuli, 

rom patara partiebi 

maT xmebs waiReben. proporciuli 

sistema didi miRwevaa, is mogvaSorebs 

im Wirs, rasac maJoritaruli 

sistema hqvia, romelic 

usamarTlo foras aZlevda nebismier 

mmarTvel partias. proporciul 

sistemaze gadasvla Cveni 

demokratiisTvis Tvisobrivi gar- 

Rvevaa. 

_ rodesac proporciul sistemaze 

gadasvlas uaryofiT kon- 

teqstSi ixsenieben, argumentad 

1992 wlis parlaments iSvelieben, 

roca parlamenti Wreli iyo da 

gadawyvetilebebis miReba uWirdaT. 

ras ityviT amasTan dakavSirebiT? 

analogiuri viTarebis Seqm- 

nis safrTxe axlac gvelodeba? 

`vnaxeT saintereso kadrebi, sadac melia 

ambobs, rom molaparakebaze Sesvlas apireben. 

amitomac Cven unda vnaxoT yvela kadri, 

erTiani suraTi da Semdeg vTqvaT, vin ra 

daaSava. faqtia, rom xelisuflebam Zalas 

gadaameta, amas veravin gaeqceva da am etapze 

es aris mTavari. opoziciasTan SedarebiT, 

ufro meti pasuxismgebloba yovelTvis 

xelisuflebas moeTxoveba~ 

_ gasagebia, rom parlamenti 

Wreli iqneba, magram, meore mxriv, 

parlamentSi warmodgenili iqneba 

yvela politikuri partia da ar 

iqnebian quCaSi. sjobs, politikuri 

speqtri parlamentSi iyos da 

ara quCaSi. 90-ian wlebSi saqarTveloSi 

qaosi iyo, axla saxelmwifo 

institutebi muSaobs, Sesabamisad, 

ar arsebobs safrTxe, rom 

qveyana „gaiWedos” da areuloba 

daiwyos. es yvelaferi gaviareT, 

axla ufro ganviTarebuli da 

dalagebuli qveyana gvaqvs. Wreli 

parlamentis aRar meSinia. 

_ bunebrivi barieriT proporciulze 

gadasvlas, garkveulwilad, 

ivaniSvilis xrikad miiCneven, 

fiqroben, rom mas es yvelaferi 

Semdeg partiebis mosasy- 

idad sWirdeba, gansakuTrebiT 1- 

2-kaciani partiebis, amis safrTxe 

ramdenad aris? 

_ ivaniSvili Tu moindomebs, 

5%-ian partias ver iyidis?! bolos 

da bolos, ivaniSvili yovlisSemZle 

xom ar aris, ar SeiZleba, 

misi SiSiT yvelaferze uaris 

Tqma. 

_ rogorc Cans, 2020 wlis saparlamento 

arCevnebisTvis mza- 

deba aqtiur fazaSi gadadis da 

mamuka xazaraZemac daaanonsa 

samoqalaqo moZraobis Seqmna. 

didi albaTobiT, is monawileobas 

miiRebs am arCevnebSi. qarTv- 

el xalxs ukve gvaqvs oligarqis 

mmarTvelobis 

gamocdileba, 

aqedan gamomdinare, ramdenad 

endoba xazaraZes da ra poli- 

tikuri perspeqtiva SeiZleba 

hqondes mis gunds? 

_ Zalian rTuli saTqmelia, 

jer ras apirebs, warmodgena ar 

maqvs. faqtia, rom mdidari kacis 

Semosvla politikosebs uxariaT 

xolme imitom, rom fuli sWirdebaT 

da, Sesabamisad, mdidari adamianebis 

Semosvlas miesalmebian. 

vnaxeT, rogor miuZRvnes diTirambebi 

xazaraZes. bunebrivia, kargi 

bankiri jer kidev ar niSnavs 

karg politikoss. aseve ar viciT, 

ra miznebi aqvs mas, marTla unda 

politikaSi mosvla Tu, ubralod, 

rogorc bankirsa da biznesmens 

raRac gamovaWreba unda? es ucnobia 

jer CvenTvis. erTi mxriv, 

xazaraZe warmatebuli biznesmenia, 

magram, meore mxriv, saqarTvelo- 

Si rom biznesmenebi ar uyvarT, es 

mogexsenebaT. xazaraZe Tu mxolod 

kvirikaSvilis imedzea, is 

Sors ver wava. mas axali saxeebiT 

dakompleqtebuli Zlieri gundi 

sWirdeba. 

_ am aqciebis drosac gamoikve- 

Ta, rom politikuri veli ganax- 

lebas saWiroebs, 2020 wels unda 

velodoT Tu ara masStaburad 

politikuri saxeebis cvlilebas? 

_ jer amaze saubari adrea, 

aqciebze vinc dgas, iqidan arc 

erTi araa politikuri moTamaSe. 

am yvelafers dro da gamocdileba 

sWirdeba. qarTuli politikis 

problema is iyo, rom amdeni xnis 

ganmavlobaSi orpolusiani iyo da 

seriozuli mesame Zala ar Canda. 

rac Seexeba imas, iqneba Tu ara es 

mesame Zala xazaraZis gundi, faqtia, 

rom maT upiratesoba gaaCniaT, 

aqvT fuli, rac qarTul politikaSi 

problemaa. amitomac, es, 

ra Tqma unda, bevrs niSnavs. fuliT 

SegiZlia, bevri xalxi moikribo. 

7


`mainteresebs, gabunias aseTi 

giorgi gabuniam postsabWoTa 

giorgi abaSiZe 

sivrceSi axali mediamoda daamk- 

vidra, rac imas niSnavs, rom „ru- 

sTavi 2-is” reitinguli wamyvanis Semdeg ruseTis prezidents 

pirdapir eTerSi ukve ukrainelma Jurnalistmac agina. „kolege- 

bi „rusTavi 2-dan” tyuilis Tqmis uflebas ar momcemen. putin, 

Sen xar x...ilo da rac ufro male gixilavT kuboSi TeTri faCu- 

CebiT, miT met saferavsa da winandals davlevT am bednier dRes. 

manamde ki, sanam Sens botoqss bolomde SeuWamia Seni tvini, gam- 

arkvie, ras gvekvexebi? ratom ver daetevi Sens moClaCul uka- 

nalze, ras gvekvexebi da gvekvexebi ukrainelebs, qarTvelebsa 

da moldovelebs?” _ am sityvebis avtori ukrainul telearx „24- 

e arxis” wamyvani artem ovdienkoa, romelmac vladimir putinisadmi 

specialuri mimarTva Cawera, Tumca, saqarTvelosgan gan- 

sxvavebiT, ovdienkos araeTikur gancxadebas ukrainaSi aJiotaJi 

ar mohyolia. amasTan, ukraineli Jurnalistis eqstradireba arc 

„dumelebs” mouTxoviaT da Tavad putinic, jerjerobiT, dums. 

ratom ganicades gabuniasgan 

putinis gineba Cveni xelisufleb- 

is warmomadgenlebma da vin arian 

„ocnebaSi” rusuli specsamsaxurebis 

gavlenis agentebi? _ „evro- 

peli demokratebis” lideri, gaerTianebuli 

opoziciis wevri, paata 

daviTaia, bolo dros qveyana- 

Si ganviTarebul movlenebze 

„qronika+”-s saintereso versiebs 

uziarebs: 

_ batono paata, 20-21 ivnisis 

movlenebis saqmeze dakiTxvaze 

Tqvenc xom ar dagibares? 

_ jer ara. 

_ anu elodebiT? 20 ivniss par- 

lamentis win mimdinare aqciaze 

xom iyaviT? 

_ ki, rogor ar viyavi da es kadrebSic 

Cans, Tumca iq im momentSi 

viyavi, roca xelebi avwieT. am 

dros xalxsa da specrazms Soris 

videqi da zurgiT farebs veyrdnobodi. 

_ e. i., mSvidobian momitingeebs 

parlamentSi Sesvlisken ar mou- 

wodebdiT? 

_ ara, ara. am dros mxolod Zi- 

Zgilaoba iyo da meti araferi. mere 

me, daviT baqraZem, ugulavam da 

yvelam xelebi avwieT. xalxsa da 

specrazms Soris, daaxloebiT, 40 

wuTi videqi. uhaeroba damewyo da 

vifiqre, aTi wuTiT qveviT CavalmeTqi, 

Tan situacia ukve dawynarebuli 

iyo. mokled, qveviT Camovedi. 

_ sad qveviT? 

_ daaxloebiT, eklesiasTan, sadac 

SedarebiT Tavisufleba iyo. 

uceb, iquxa da Widaoba daiwyo. 

_ e. i., samarTaldamcvelebi 

opoziciis im liderebiT arian 

dainteresebulni, romlebic e. w. 

meore epizodSi monawileobdnen? 

_ ar vici, warmodgena ar maqvs, 

Tumca, rogorc giTxariT, kadreb- 

Si mec vCanvar da Tu damiZaxeben, 

mival. ise, isic ar vici, opoziciis 

liderebs dakiTxvaze ratom 

ibareben? 

_ rogorc xelisufleba am- 

bobs, im Rames qveyana saxelmwifo 

xelisuflebis damxobasa da am- 

boxebas gadaurCa. Sesabamisad, 

gamoZiebas opoziciis liderebTan 

kiTxvebi, albaT, am Temaze eqne- 

ba, Tumca sanam gadatrialebis 

Tema wamotivtivdeboda, quCaSi 

xalxi rusuli propagandis tira- 

Jirebam gamoiyvana. hoda, Cvenc 

yvelaferi qronologiurad ga- 

vixsenoT da SevafasoT: gavril- 

ovi saqarTvelos parlamentis 

Tavmjdomaris savarZelSi jdeba, 

rasac mosaxleoba quCaSi gamosv- 

liT pasuxobs. mogvianebiT, xe- 

paata daviTaia: 

òcnebis~ gavlenis 

agentebma rusuli 

interesebis 

gatareba 

uzrunvelyves!~ 

skandaluri interviu paata daviTaiasTan 

lisufleba antisaokupacio mSvidobian 

aqcias arbevs, paralelurad, 

putini sanqciebiT gvemuqre- 

ba. amasobaSi, giorgi gabunia mas 

aginebs. sapasuxod, putini sanqciebs 

aRar gviwesebs, Tumca istorias 

gvimaxinjebs. mokled, yve- 

laferi es erTi jaWvia? 

_ gamocdili Jurnalisti xarT, 

movlenebi Zalian sworad daalageT 

da mec rom ar giTxraT, albaT, 

darwmunebuli xarT, rom yvelaferi, 

diax, eTmaneTTan kavSirSia, 

Tumca es Tema mainc epizodebad 

davyoT. 

_ ki batono, gismenT. 

_ imis Tqma, rom yvelaferi ase 

mizanmimarTulad iyo dagegmili, 

absurdia, anu gavrilovis Camosvla 

da gabunias gancxadeba, marTalia, 

erTmaneTzea miyolebuli, magram 

ver vityviT, rom dagegmili 

iyo. sxvaTa Soris, Tavdapirvelad 

gavrilovis Camosvlamde politikur 

speqtrSi sruli siCume iyo 

da arCevnebis proporciul sistemaze 

gadasvlisTvis xelmowerebi 

grovdeboda. xelmowerebi Segrovda, 

parlamentSi SevitaneT da ganxilvas 

velodebodiT. ar unda dagvaviwydes 

„ocnebis” cinizmi, romelic 

am Temas arcTu seriozulad 

uyurebda. mokled, opozicia proporciuli 

sistemis moTxovniT 

xalxs quCaSi ar eZaxda, modiT, aqciebi 

daviwyoTo da kanonis gziT 

mivdiodiT. amasobaSi, parlmenti 

dRis wesrigs wers, romlis Tanaxmadac 

es Tema ivlisSi unda ganixilon. 

am fonze saqarTveloSi gavrilovi 

Camodis. gavrilovis CamosvlasTan 

dakavSirebiT amboben, is 

raRac marTlmadidebluri saparlamento 

asambleis Tavmjdomarea, 

es asamblea saerTaSoriso formatia 

da amitom unda migveRoo, magram 

am konteqstSi erT magaliTs 

mogiyvanT: roca evropis sabWos saparlamento 

asambleis wevri viyavi, 

rusi deputati markovi saqarTveloSi 

imis gamo ar SemovuSviT, 

rom, Tavis droze, afxazeTis damoukideblobas 

misca xma. sxvaTa 

Soris, markovi maSin saqarTvelo- 

Si evrosabWos saparlamento egidiT 

Camodioda. amas evrosabWoSi 

erTi ambavi moyva, magram evrosabWoSi 

gamovedi da deputatebs avuxseni, 

markovi saqarTveloSi ratomac 

ar SemovuSviT. Cemi argumentebi 

evropis sabWos saparlamento 

asambleam gaiziara. xom xvdebiT, 

saubari razec aris? 

_ diax, ra Tqma unda, vxvdebi. 

_ gavrilovi ruseTis mier Seqmnili 

organizaciis Tavmjdomarea. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, e. w. marTlmadidebel 

deputatTa saerTa- 

Soriso asambleas ruseTi lobirebs. 

yvela saerTaSoriso organizaciaSi, 

romlis wevric ruseTia, 

„wamyvan Tanamdebobebze” yovel- 

Tvis „edinaia rosias”, anu ruseTis 

mmarTveli partiis warmomadgenlebi 

arian. es marTlmadidebel 

deputatTa asamblea erTaderTi 

sasacilo formatia, sadac Tavmjdomare 

komunistia. aqve, ar dagaviwydeT, 

rom ruseTis komunisturi 

partiis strategiuli amocana 

sabWoTa kavSiris aRdgenaa. ai, am 

partiis wamomadgenels saqarTveloSi 

im motiviT iReben, saerTa- 

Soriso asambleis Tavmjdomarea 

da aba, rogor ar unda miviRoTo, 

Tan marto ki ar iReben, aramed, 

parlamentis Tavmjdomaris savar- 

ZelSi svamen. es xom pirdapir 

ruseTis specsamsaxurebis mier 

dadgmuli provokaciaa, romelic 

saqarTveloSi maTma gavlenis agentebma 

Seasrules?! 

_ am logikiT, zogis is versi- 

ac ar unda gamovricxoT, rom 

gabunias gancxadeba provokacia 

iyo. 

_ gabuniamdec mival, Tumca am 

wuTs gavrilovze vsaubrob. 

simaTle vTqvaT, am asambleis 

sxdoma „hualingis” SenobaSi rom 

CaetarebinaT, rame moxdeboda? 

_ albaT, araferi moxdeboda. 

àm situaciaSi yvelaze martivad gadasawyveti 

Tema gaxarias gadayenebaa, magram amaze 

xelisufleba jiutdeba, protesti Zlierdeba - 

axalgazrdebi 20 dReze metia, quCaSi dganan, 

sazogadoebaSi Ss ministris mimarT negativi 

ki ar iklebs, aramed, imatebs. am fonze 

ruseTi mdgomareobas Zabavs, anu pirdapir 

ambobs, melia unda daisajoso - melias dasja 

gavrilovma moiTxova~ 

metic, SesaZloa, veravis verc 

gaego, rom TbilisSi gavrilovi 

iyo Camosuli. 

_ saqarTveloSi gavrilovze 

uaresi Tanamdebobis pirebi CamouyvaniaT, 

magram araferi momxdara. 

am SemTxvevaSi ki sazogadoebaze 

iman imoqmeda, rom okupanti qveynis 

warmomadgeneli saqarTvelos 

parlamentis Tavmjdomaris adgilze 

zis da misi CaquCiT tribunas 

urtyams! ai, katastrofa, Tundac 

vizualurad, swored amitom iyo! 

yvelafer amas detalurad imitom 

vixseneb, rom viRacis mier 

dadgmuli provokacia iyo. 

_ batono paata, davakonkretoT: 

„viRaca” rusuli specsamsax- 

uria? 

_ eWvic ar mepareba. erTi sityviT, 

xalxi aRSfoTda, magram 

sainteresoa, aseTi maimunoba 

„qarTuli ocnebis” interesSi Sedioda 

Tu ara? 

_ Tqveni azriT, Sedioda? 

_ es maimunoba „ocnebis” interesSi 

ar Sedioda! 

_ e. i., „ocneba” dagegmil pro- 

vokaciaze wamoego? 

_ rusuli interesebis gatareba 

„ocnebaSi” myofma gavlenis 

agentebma uzrunvelyves! 

_ opozicia wlebia, acxadebs, 

rom ivaniSvili kremlis proeqtia. 

aqedan gamomdinare, damikonkre- 

teT: gavrilovis provokacia 

ivaniSvils awyobda Tu ara? 

_ ar vambob, rom ivaniSvilis 

interesSi Sedioda an ar Sedioda. 

ubralod, erTi wuTiT warmoidgineT, 

rom xelisuflebaSi xarT da 

imxela riskze midixarT, rom parlamentis 

Tavmjdomares kargav, 

amasTan, iZulebuli xdebi, arCevnebis 

im sistemaze waxvide, romelic 

ar ginda. diax, mmarTvel Zalas 

arCevnebis proporciuli sistema 

ar awyobda. mokled, marTalia, 

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opoziciis warmomadgeneli var, 

magram vcdilob, yvelafers obieqturad 

Sevxedo, anu viRacas awyobda, 

rom yvelaferi ise wasuliyo, 

rogorc wavida. 

Tvalebis daTxriT miRebul 

Soks Tavi davaneboT da ivaniSvilis 

ori gancxadeba ganvixiloT, anu 

man jer Tqva, marTlmadidebel 

deputatTa asamblea SevaCereo. Tu 

es saerTaSoriso organizaciaa, 

sainteresoa, ivaniSvilma rogor 

SeaCera, am SeCerebisTvis ra berketi 

hqonda? ise, darwmunebuli 

var, muSti mkacrad daartya da 

SeaCera, magram situacia amiT ar 

ganimuxta da e. w. gavrilovis Ramemde 

mivediT. amis Semdeg xelisufleba 

im nabijs dgams, romelic ar 

awyobs. 

_ ras gulisxmobT? 

_ arCevnebis proporciul 

sistemas. sxvaTa Soris, Tu gaxsovT, 

Tavis droze, roca es konstitucia 

miiRes, „ocnebis” warmomadgenlebi 

acxadebdnen, es konstitucia 

didi iqnebao. 

mokled, xelisufleba imas 

Tmobs, risi daTmobac misTvis warmoudgeneli 

iyo da am dros imas, 

rac martivi dasaTmobia, ar Tmobs. 

_ „martivi dasaTmobi” ra aris? 

_ am situaciaSi yvelaze martivad 

gadasawyveti Tema gaxarias 

gadayenebaa, magram amaze xelisufleba 

jiutdeba, protesti Zlierdeba 

_ axalgazrdebi 20 dReze metia, 

quCaSi dganan, sazogadoebaSi 

Ss ministris mimarT negativi ki ar 

iklebs, aramed, imatebs. am fonze 

ruseTi mdgomareobas Zabavs, anu 

pirdapir ambobs, melia unda daisajoso 

_ melias dasja gavrilovma 

moiTxova. 

sxvaTa Soris, Tqven, rogorc 

piaris kargi mcodne, albaT, dame- 

TanxmebiT, rom piaris kuTxiT meliam 

„qarTul ocnebas” asiT nuli 

mougo. 

_ diax, geTanxmebiT _ melia, 

nebsiT Tu uneblieT, gmiri gaxda. 

_ melias epizodma „qarTuli 

ocneba” piarulad daangria. 

aqedan gamomdinare, vsvam kiTxvas: 

melias daWera vis awyobda? 

_ raxan kiTxvas svamT, pasuxi 

geqnebaT, anu melias daWera „oc- 

nebis” Tu ara, aba, vis interesSi 

iyo? 

_ melias daWera im gavleniani 

rusuli agenturis interesSi iyo, 

romelsac qarTuli saxelmwifos 

„gabanZeba” undoda! 

_ gavlenianma rusulma agen- 

turam Tavisas miaRwia? 

_ diax, es moaxerxa! 

_ batono paata, bevr informa- 

cias flobT, Sesabamisad, isic 

gecodinebaT, „ocnebaSi” ruseTis 

gavlenis agentebi vin arian. 

_ iciT, ra xdeba? _ amas ver 

vityvi. 

_ mesmis, rom delikaturi 

Temaa, magram roca qveyana CixSia, 

vfiqrob, dasamali aRaraferi 

unda iyos. 

_ amas erTi mizezis gamo ver 

vityvi: marTla ar vici, „ocneba- 

Si” gadawyvetilebebs vin iRebs. 

yvelaferi, rasac geubnebiT, Cemi 

varaudia. 

ise, rusul televiziebs Tu 

SexedavT, naxavT, yvelaferi es 

rogor piramidasaviT lagdeba. 

mokled, xalxi aRSfoTebulia, 

yvela afeqtSia da am dros gabunia 

Tavis gancxadebas akeTebs. 

gamosvla risTvis dasWirda?~ 

`gabunias is teqsti qarTulad 

rom eTqva, damerwmuneT, 

araferi moxdeboda. mokled, 

roca icoda, es rasac 

gamoiwvevda da mainc gaakeTa, 

ai, amas ver vigeb~ 

_ saubari iqiTken migyavT, rom 

gabunias gancxadebac rusuli 

specsamsaxurebis mier dagegmil 

provokaciaSi jdeba? 

_ ara. 

_ aba? 

_ gabunias gamosvla, vTqvi da 

axlac gavimeoreb, rom yovlad miuRebeli 

iyo, magram damoukidebel 

televizias Tavisi azris gamoxatvis 

ufleba aqvs. saqarTvelo- 

Si azris gamoxatva konstituciiT 

aris garantirebuli. amasTan, gabunias 

sisxlis samarTlebrivi pasuxismgeblobis 

sakiTxi ver dadgeba 

da saubari SesaZloa, eTikur pasuxismgeblobaze 

iyos. 

_ mesmis, magram sxva ram gkiTxeT 

da Tu SeiZleba, kiTxvaze mi- 

pasuxeT. 

_ swored maqamde mivdivar. sakiTxi 

ase dgas: gabunias Tema vis 

awyobda? 

_ amas me mekiTxebiT? 

_ es kiTxva marto TqvenTan ki 

ara, sakuTar TavTanac maqvs. diax, 

mainteresebs, gabunias aseTi gamosvla 

risTvis dasWirda? sxvaTa 

Soris, gabuniamde putini bevrs 

Seuginebia, maT Soris, vasiko odiSvilsac 

da araferi momxdara. 

_ odiSvilis garda putins 

oTar tatiSvilmac agina, magram 

maSinac araferi momxdara. amas 

riT xsniT, batono paata? 

_ omis dros, roca mters agineb, 

ar eubnebi, dedaSenis saflavze es 

da es unda gavakeToo. axla gabunias 

vekiTxebi: es risTvis sWirdeboda? 

_ ise, Tqvenma kiTxvam „ocneb- 

is” erT-erTi ideologis, goga 

xaindravas naTqvami gamaxsena, anu 

xaindravam „imedze” ganacxada, 

gabunias teqsti Skrialovis daw- 

`man, vinc "kombleebis" gamoCenis gadawyvetileba 

miiRo, Secdoma isev "qarTuli ocnebisTvis" 

dauSva. rogorc Cans, amas mixvdnen da 

amitomac moaSores. yvelafer aqedan 

gamomdinare, pirdapir vambob: saqarTvelos 

xelisuflebaSi viRac ruseTis interesebze 

mibmuli gavlenis agentia, romlis mTavari 

amocanac qveyanaSi yvela provokaciuli 

formiT destabilizaciis Semotanaa~ 

erili iyoo. 

_ ar vici... 

am kiTxvas pasuxi gabuniam unda 

gasces: es gadawyvetileba ratom 

miiRo? Tu putinis gineba undoda, 

misi mesmis da putinisTvis mec miginebia. 

_ putins mTeli saqarTvelo 

aginebs da amaSi axali da gasakvi- 

ri araferia. 

_ diax, asea, magram sainteresoa, 

gabuniam ratom miiRo gadawyvetileba, 

rom yvelaferi aseTi 

`sanam Ss ministri ar gadadgeba, es 

axalgazrdebi ar daiSlebian. amiT qveyanaSi 

situacia iZabeba. vsvam kiTxvas: usafrTxoebisa 

Tu uSiSroebis sabWos mdivani, Ss ministri da, 

amavdrulad, vice-premieri situacias ratom 

Zabavs? rom gadadges, gamoZieba ise Catardes 

da gaxaria gamarTldes, rame problemaa?~ 

formiT gaekeTebina? sxvaTa Soris, 

gabunias is teqsti qarTulad rom 

eTqva, damerwmuneT, araferi moxdeboda. 

mokled, roca icoda, es 

rasac gamoiwvevda da mainc gaake- 

Ta, ai, amas ver vigeb. 

_ anu miiCnevT, rom gamosaZiebelia, 

Tu ratom miiRo Jurnal- 

istma aseTi gadawyvetileba? 

_ ara, gamoZieba ver Catardeba, 

radgan gabunias sisxlis samarTlis 

pasuxismgebloba ar dgas da 

verc dadgeba. 

_ gamoZiebaSi sisxlis samarT- 

lis pasuxismgebloba arc migulisxmia, 

magram yvelas gvainteresebs, 

realurad ra moxda. simar- 

Tle xom unda gavigoT? 

_ gabuniam unda Tqvas, es gadawyvetileba 

ratom miiRo. Tu is 

ityvis, mindoda, misTvis meginebinao, 

es misaRebi iqneba. 

_ putinma „keTili biZis” roli 

gabunias ginebis Semdeg moirgo, 

rac TavisTavad dasafiqrebelia, 

ara? 

_ ai, aq ukve meore sakiTxi dgeba, 

anu davuSvaT, rom rusulma 

mxarem gabuniasgan burTis kargi 

Cawodeba miiRo da axla cdilobs, 

Tavisi politika swored amaze aagos. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, yvelaferi 

es gamoiyena. 

_ e. i., gabuniam, nebsiT Tu un- 

eblieT, putins „satopke” auwia? 

_ ra Tqma unda. amitomac gabunia 

odesme unda gamovides da Tqvas, 

amis gakeTeba im dRes ratom 

gadawyvita, Torem putinis gineba- 

Si veTanxmebi da mec vagineb! 

_ saerTo jamSi, batono paata, 

saqme saxelmwifo gadatrialebasTan 

ki ar gvaqvs, riTic xelisu- 

fleba apelirebs, aramed saxezea 

rusuli specsamsaxurebis mier 

kargad dagegmili da maTi gavlenis 

agentebiT Sesrulebuli pro- 

vokacia, ara? 

_ Cemi gadasaxedidan ase Cans: 

politikurad „mSvid” viTarebaSi 

gavrilovi, 20 ivnisi da mTeli 

ubedureba iwyeba. 

_ aqve, albaT, Tanamedrove 

„kombleebic” unda vaxsenoT. 

_ diax, Tumca „kombleebi” saer- 

Tod sxva Temaa. ar vambob, rom 

yvelaferi es dalagebuli iyo, magram 

viRacam raRac auria, ris Semdegac 

Temebis modernizeba moxda. 

_ SeiZleba, magram faqtia: „kombleebi” 

TamaSidan gaiyvanes. yov- 

el SemTxvevaSi, rusTavelze isev 

antisaokupacio aqciebi tardeba, 

anu mocemul momentSi „kombleebis” 

gaaqtiureba Tavad „oc- 

nebasac” ar awyobda? 

_ man, vinc „kombleebis” gamoCenis 

gadawyvetileba miiRo, Secdoma 

isev „qarTuli ocnebisTvis” 

dauSva. rogorc Cans, amas mixvdnen 

da amitomac moaSores. 

yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare, 

pirdapir vambob: saqarTvelos xelisuflebaSi 

viRac ruseTis interesebze 

mibmuli gavlenis agentia, 

romlis mTavari amocanac 

qveyanaSi yvela provokaciuli formiT 

destabilizaciis Semotanaa. 

_ am destabilizaciis saboloo 

mizani ra unda iyos? 

_ albaT, is, rom anakliis proeqti 

ar ganxorcieldes, Tan evrokavSirsac 

gauCndeba kiTxvebi, ai, 

saqarTveloSi adamianis uflebebi 

irRveva da sxva cudi raRacebic 

xdebao. amas mohyveba uvizo reJmis 

gabanZeba. amasTan, gabanZdeba qvey- 

nis ekonomika da evrokavSiri ityvis, 

am qveyanaze rogor unda vifiqroTo? 

mokled, yvela winapiroba 

iqmneba saimisod, rom 

saqarTvelos erTaderT gzad ruseTTan 

urTierToba darCes! 

_ anakliis porti axseneT da 

barem gkiTxavT: ai, am oromtria- 

lSi mamuka xazaraZe saxalxo moZraobas 

afuZnebs. amas rogor xs- 

niT? 

_ calsaxad Cans, rom es adamiani 

politikaSi modis, Tumca jer 

ar viciT, misi politikuri xedva 

rogori iqneba. jerjerobiT, erTmniSvnelovnad 

is Canda, rom mis 

anakliis ports xeli eSleboda da 

amis Sesaxeb aSS-is saxelmwifo departamentmac 

ganacxada. saerTod, 

gavlenis agentebma „wyali aam- 

Rvries” da kaciSvilma ar icis, am 

„mRvrie wyalSi” vin ras daiWers. 

_ am „mRvrie wylidan” rogor 

unda gamovideT, batono paata? 

_ Zalian rTuli kiTxvaa da pirdapiri 

pasuxic ar maqvs, Tumca am 

„mRvrie wylidan” erTaderTi gamosavali 

demokratiis gaZlierebaa. 

_ anu? 

_ saxelmwifom demokratiuli 

institutebi normaluri saarCevno 

kodeqsiT, mediazewolaze uaris 

TqmiT, gaxarias gadadgomiT da 20 

ivnisis obieqturi gamoZiebiT unda 

gaaZlieros. 

_ Ss ministri, rogorc man inga 

grigolias „reaqciaSi” ganacxada, 

gadadgomas, jerjerobiT, ar 

apirebs. 

_ amitom rusTavelidan arc 

axalgazrdoba „gadadgeba”. 

_ e. i., es oromtriali daus- 

ruleblad gagrZeldeba? 

_ sanam Ss ministri ar gadadgeba, 

es axalgazrdebi ar daiSlebian. 

amiT qveyanaSi situacia iZabeba. 

vsvam kiTxvas: usafrTxoebisa Tu 

uSiSroebis sabWos mdivani, Ss ministri 

da, amavdroulad, vice-premieri 

situacias ratom Zabavs? rom 

gadadges, gamoZieba ise Catardes 

da gaxaria gamarTldes, rame problemaa? 

_ cxadia, ara. 

_ vTqvaT, gamoZiebiT dadginda, 

rom gaxaria marTali ar aris. ra, 

Ss ministrs daakaveben an vin 

daakavebs _ Tavisive saministro? 

_ ratom ar daakavebs? _ Tu 

gaxsovT, Tavis droze, ssrk-s gen- 

mdivani xruSCovi daakaves. 

_ maSin institutebi muSaobdnen, 

axla ki pirovnebebi muSaoben. 

_ e. i., did CixSi varT Sesulebi, 

saidanac karga xans ver gamov- 

alT? 

_ jerjerobiT aseTi piri uCans. 

_ da Cixidan vadamdeli sapar- 

lamento arCevnebi gamogviyvans? 

_ Zalian kargi kiTxva dasviT: 

vadamdeli saparlamento arCevnebi 

yovelTvis gamosavalia, magram 

Tu iuridiul proceduras gavyvebiT, 

proporciul sistemaze gadasvla 

Semodgomaze, vadamdeli saparlamento 

arCevnebis Catareba ki 

gazafxulze SeiZleba. 

_ 2020 wlis gazafxulze vad- 

amdelis Catarebas ra azri aqvs, 

roca momavli wlis Semodgomaze 

arCevnebi, rogorc ityvian, rigi- 

TobiTac uwevs? 

_ diax, asea, magram Tu saxelmwifoSi 

daZabuli viTareba da ma- 

Rali temperatura gaqvs, orTqlis 

gamoSvebas gazafxulidan Semodgomamde 

ratom unda daelodo? 

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`qveyana kinaRam politikur degenerat 

saqarTvelos xelisuflebam Ju- 


rnalist gabunias, romelic aSkar- 

ad arakoreqtulad moiqca, pirda- 

pir eTerSi ruseTis prezidentis gineba ver apatia da yvelam 

_ prezidentidan dawyebuli, premieriTa Tu rigiTi deputa- 

tiT damTavrebuli, sagangebo gancxadebebi gaavrcela. ai, 

vladimir putinis mier saqarTvelos istoriis cinikur damaxinjebaze 

ki „ocnebis” xelisuflebis umaRles pirebs, parla- 

mentis Tavmjdomares Tu ar CavTvliT, reaqcia nulze dabali 

hqonda. yovel SemTxvevaSi, prezidenti salome zurabiSvili 

Tavisi rusi kolegis samarcxvino gancxadebis Sefasebas gaur- 

bis. arada, putini saqarTvelos afxazeTisa da e. w. samxreT 

oseTis istoriul okupaciaSi, aseve genocidSi adanaSaulebs 

da Cvens xelisuflebas urCevs, istoria ar daiviwyos. 

„oseTi ruseTis imperiis SemadgenlobaSi, 

Tu sworad maxsovs, 

1774 wels Sevida. Sevida mTlianad, 

misi samxreTi nawilic da CrdiloeTic, 

rogorc damoukidebeli 

saxelmwifo. afxazeTi ruseTis imperiaSi 

Sevida 1810 wels, rogorc 

damoukidebeli saxelmwifo, samTavro. 

SemdegSi oseTis samxreT nawili 

Sevida tfilisis guberniaSi, 

araviTari saqarTvelo ar yofila, 

es iyo tfilisis gubernia”, ganacxada 

ramdenime dRis win kremlis 

mmarTvelma da dasZina, rom ruse- 

Tis imperiis CamoSlisa da pirveli 

msoflio omis dasrulebis Semdeg 

damoukidebelma qarTulma saxelmwifom 

afxazeTis Caylapva germanuli 

Zalebis daxmarebiT scada. 

salome zurabiSvilisgan gansxvavebiT, 

qarTvelma istorikosebma 

okupanti qveynis prezidents myisierad 

upasuxes. maT Soris, erTerTi 

pirveli iyo istorikosi simon 

masxaraSvili, romelmac socialur 

qselSi dawera: 

„samxreT oseTis avtonomiuri 

olqi” an raime saxis osuri saxelmwifo 

warmonaqmni 1774 wels Sida 

qarTlis teritoriaze ar arsebobda. 

Sida qarTli mTlianad qarTlkaxeTis 

samefos nawili iyo da 1802 

wels is mTel samefosTan erTad 

daipyro ruseTma. samaCablo 1802- 

1918 wlebSi „saqarTvelos” da SemdgomSi, 

„tfilisis” guberniebis 

goris mazraSi Sedioda da am teritorias 

„samxreT oseTis avtonomiuri 

olqi” mxolod 1922 wels 

ewoda. 

batono putin, Tqven sapirispirod 

ilaparakeT da dae, Tqven moitaneT 

wyaroebi da dokumentebi 

Tqveni sityvebis dasamtkiceblad. 

1918-19 wlebSi afxazebisa da 

osebis genocidi ar momxdara, metic: 

1918 wlis 26 maiss saqarTvelos 

damoukideblobis gamocxadebas 

depeSiT pirveli miesalma afxazeTis 

ukanaskneli mTavari giorgi 

SarvaSiZe. is mTavrad ruseTis 

batonobis winaaRmdeg ajanyebul 

afxazebs hyavdaT gamocxadebuli 

1866 wels. giorgi SarvaSiZe dedaenad 

qarTuls miiCnevda da, saer- 

Todac, saqarTvelos demokratiuli 

respublikis dasacavad, rogorc 

1918-Si, ise 1921-Si, ruseTis 

winaaRmdeg qarTvelebze aranakleb 

gmirulad afxazebi ibrZodnen. 

magaliTad, Tbilisi 25 Tebervals 

daeca, gagrasa da soxums ki 

4-5 martamde icavdnen afxazebi da 

ar eguebodnen saqarTvelos okupacias. 

erTaderTi simarTle 

Tqvens naTqvamSi iyo is, rom 1810 

wels afxazeTis samTavro ruseTis 

„mfarvelobis” qveS moeqca, danar- 

Ceni yvelaferi sicruea da am 

qarTveli eris Seuracxmyofeli 

da erTaSoris SuRlis gamaRvive- 

beli zRaprebis gamogoneba rad 

gWirdebaT, ver gamigia! samwuxarod, 

qarTvelebi SesaZloa, moisyido, 

moferebiTa da dayvavebiT gadaibiro, 

magram istoriis gayalbebiT, 

abuCad agdebiTa da ZalmomreobiT 

qarTveli eri veravis verasdros 

daumonebia da samomavlodac 

veravin verasdros daimor- 

Cilebs. verc Tqven, batono putin!” 

simon masxaraSvili: 

`putinis gancxadeba 

sicrue, qarTveli eris 

Seuracxmyofeli da 

erTaSorisi SuRlis 

gamaRvivebeli 

zRaparia!~ 

ra mizniT cdilobs kremli 

istoriis gayalbebas da ratom 

dums prezidenti zurabiSvili? 

ras emsaxureboda putinis mier 

saqarTvelos istoriis cinikuri 

damaxinjeba? _ am kiTxviT daiwyo 

„qronika+”-ma saubari istorikos 

simon masxaraSvilTan: 

_ iseTi STabeWdileba Semeqmna, 

rom putini rusebis sayvareli 

„Taflakverisa da maTraxis” meTodiT 

moqmedebda, anu Tavdapirvelad 

aJiotaJi atexes, ai, saqarTvelos 

raRac sanqciebs davuwesebT, 

magram putinma, viTom qarTvelebis 

pativiscemis niSnad, sanqciebis 

dawesebas mxari ar dauWira. man 

kargad icoda, rom misi es gancxadeba 

saqarTvelos sazogadoebas 

araTu moadunebda, aramed garkveuli 

amosunTqvis saSualebasac 

miscemda. zogadad, bolo wlebSi 

ruseTis bazars, sxvadasxva mizezis 

gamo, met-naklebad, CamovekideT _ 

ruseTSi „nabeRlavis” 3% gadis, 

Rvino ki _ 6 milioni boTli, rac, 

alia-balia, 60 milioni laric ar 

aris da es maSin, roca saqarTvelos 

erovnuli produqti 30 miliardamdea, 

magram yvelafer amis 

miuxedavad, SesaZlo sanqciebma 

mosaxleobaze mainc Sokirebulad 

imoqmeda da putinis sityvebma, saqarTvelos 

pativs vcem da ar davsjio, 

sazogadoeba TiTqos amoasunTqa 

da xalxi damSvidda, axali 

daZabuloba ar iqnebao. 

_ anu vladimir vladimiroviCs 

yvelaferi gaTvlili hqonda? 

_ etyoba. sxvaTa Soris, putinis 

prognozi, garkveulwilad, gamarTlda 

kidec. yovel SemTxvevaSi, 

sanam istorikosebma yvirili ar 

atexes, xelisufleba dumda. prezidents 

ki gancxadeba dRemde ar 

gaukeTebia. 

_ diax, asea, magram faqtia, rom 

putins saqarTvelos gayalbebuli 

istoria viRacam miawoda. 

_ ras hqvia, miawoda? putinma 

iseTi raRacebi Tqva, rom piradad 

CemTvis warmoudgenelia, ar scodnoda. 

ar dagaviwydeT, rom putini 

sabWoTa „kagebes”, anu im struqturis 

polkovnikia, romlis yvelaze 

diadi warmomadgeneli lavrenti 

beria gaxldaT. amitom Seu- 

Zlebelia, putinma ar icodes, rom 

saqarTvelos saxelmwifo 1918 

wlamdec arsebobda da yvelaferi 

es marto saqarTvelos ki ara, 

ruseTis istoriacaa. man istoria 

mizanmimarTulad gaayalba da imis 

fonze, rom aRar dagvsjis, Seecada, 

CvenTvis tyuili „Semoetena”, 

magram iciT, „Semotena” rodis 

iqneboda? _ Tuki amaze pasuxs ar 

gascemdnen. 

_ pasuxi istorikosebma gasc- 

es, Torem oficialuri Tbilisi 

jiutad dums. 

_ diax, Tumca parlamentis Tavmjdomare, 

asea Tu ise, mainc mniSvnelovani 

figuraa da erTaderTi, 

TalakvaZem gasca pasuxi, Torem 

pirveli, vinc putins upasuxa, istorikosi 

gogi oTxmezuri iyo; 

meore _ daviT aqubardia, romelsac 

gadacemaSi gubaz sanikiZe hyavda 

stumrad. amasTan, baton putins 

socialuri qseliT sajaro pasuxi 

mec gaveci, rac televiziebma gaa- 

Suqes; roin metrevelmac sakmaod 

didi monografia gamoaqveyna; aqve, 

ar unda daviviwyoT dimitri silagaZis 

pasuxic. sxvaTa Soris, socialur 

qselSi uamravi megobari 

myavs da sxva statusebsac bevri 

mowoneba aqvs xolme, magram putinis 

sajaro mimarTvas erT dReSi 

375 gaziareba hqonda, Tan „dabustvis” 

(barbarizmi: Tqveni feisbuk-gverdis 

popularobis gazrda, 

_ red.) gareSe da Tavad gansajeT, 

putinis gancxadebebze sazogadoebas 

rogori reaqciac hqonda. 

_ diax, asea: putinis mier saqa- 

rTvelos istoriis Tavxedurma 

damaxinjebam mTeli qveyana aRaS- 

foTa, magram, batono simon, Tqv- 

`sxvaTa Soris, odesRac me da levan vasaZe 

megobrebi viyaviT, magram rac jer aSS-Si 

wavida, Semdeg ki - ruseTSi, erTxelac ar 

Semxmianebia, Tumca erT rames ver viviwyeb: 9 

aprils mitingidan Sin wamosvlas vapirebdi, am 

dros Sejibridan dabrunebul levans 

gadavawydi da im Rames sikvdilamde ioma - 

kinaRam Tvalebic dakarga. maSin levani 18 

wlis iyo, mas mere aRar minaxavs, dRes iseTs 

vxedav, rogoric aris - ruseTSi namyof- 

nacxovrebi, magram ar vici, xval rogori 

iqneba. saerTod, gvinaxavs, roca kargi kacebi 

gafuWebulan da piriqiTac momxdara - cudi 

kacebi gakeTilSobilebulan!~ 

ens logikas gavyveT, anu yvelaf- 

eri es e. w. gavrilovis kriziss 

moyva da bolos, putinma qarTve- 

lebi „Segviwyala” _ sanqciebi ar 

dagviwesa, maSasadame, gavrilovis 

TbilisSi Camosvla kargad dageg- 

mili provokacia iyo? 

_ ar vici, Tumca Tu SeTqmulebis 

TeoriiT wavalT, SegviZlia, 

vTqvaT, rom gavrilovis provokaciiT 

moskovma da masTan mWidro 

kavSirSi myofebma, qucnaSvilis 

meTaurobiT, saqarTvelos sazogadoebas 

kbili mousinjes. am SemTxvevaSi, 

sazogadoebaSi marto xalxs 

ki ara, Cveni parlamentis opozicioner 

da „ocnebis” wevrebsac 

vgulisxmob. 

_ „ocnebis” wevrebisTvis „kbilis 

mosinjva” raSi gamoixatebo- 

da? 

_ gavrilovis Temaze yvirili 

Tamar CugoSvilma atexa. 

_ ki batono, magram sainteresoa, 

CugoSvilma, romelic parla- 

mentis Tavmjdomaris movaleobas 

asrulebda, zustad im dRes 

saqarTvelo ratom datova an 

TurqeTis aeroportSi visgan Se- 

ityo, rom spikeris savarZelSi 

gavrilovi Cajda? 

_ mesmis, magram „kbilis mosinjva” 

is iyo, rom ainteresebdaT, 

zviad gamsaxurdias skamSi Caskupebul 

komunists, fsevdomarTlmadidebel 

russ „vWamdiT” Tu ara, 

miT umetes, rom es pirovneba Wkuas 

gvarigebda. bolo Svidi weli ruseTTan 

viTom megobroba gvqonda 

da kremls ainteresebda, am fonze 

yvelafer imas, rac moxda, „vWamdiT” 

Tu ara. 

SeTqmulebis Teoriis konteqstSi 

vambob, Tumca, meore mxriv, 

savsebiT SesaZlebelia, yvelaferi 

Cveni xelisuflebis didi raodenobis 

wevris araprofesionalizmisa 

da arakoodinebulobis, anu 

sisustis wyalobiT moxda. aqamdec 

vicnobdi, magram dRes ar vici, ra 

davarqva, Tu ara politikuri degenerati. 

diax, qveyana kinaRam am 

politikuri degeneratis ganzraxvebsa 

da ganwyobebs gadavayoleT! 

_ qucnaSvili rom didi prob- 

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qucnaSvilis ganzraxvebs gadavayoleT!~ 

lema da gaugebrobaa, amaze 

msjelobis gagrZeleba arc Rirs, 

magram ubedurebaa, rom zogma pu- 

tinis gancxadeba daijera, ai, 

saqarTvelo afxazeTis okupanti 

yofilao. 

_ ar gedavebiT, radgan CvenTan 

istoria, samwuxarod, ar ician! 

SeiZleba, Tqvenze ramdenime wliT 

ufrosi var, magram gaixseneT: 

Cvens dros skolebSi saqarTvelos 

istoria javaxiSvilisa da berZeniSvilis 

mixedviT ki ara, sul sxva 

saxelmZRvaneloTi iswavleboda, 

romelic ramdenime klasze iyo 

gaTvaliswinebuli. metic, saqar- 

Tvelos istoriis gakveTilebi, 

praqtikulad, ar tardeboda. samagierod, 

gaZlierebulad iswavleboda 

sabWoTa kavSiris istoria. 

skolebSi saqarTvelos istoriis 

swavleba wina planze sabWoTa kav- 

Siris dangrevis mere wamovida, 

Tumca ase cota xans gagrZelda, 

anu saqarTvelos istoria umaRlesi 

saswavleblebis misaReb gamocdebze 

savaldebulo mxolod 

2000 wlamde iyo. amis Semdeg saqar- 

Tvelos istoria unarebma Caanacvla. 

bolos ki erovnul gamocdebze 

savaldebulod istoria-geografia 

SemoiRes, sadac umetesi 

adgili msoflio istoriasa da geografias 

eTmoba. Sesabamisad, saqarTvelos 

istoria saerTod daikarga. 

mokled, Tundac mas, visac ainteresebda 

saqarTvelos istoriis 

swavla, Zalian mcire monakveTis 

ganmavlobaSi SeeZlo, isic mxolod 

abiturientobis dros. dRes ki 

skolebSi saqarTvelos istoria 

marto me-9 klasSi iswavleba, isic 

Zalian mdare da uvargisi wigniT. 

bevrjer miTqvams da axlac gavimeoreb: 

es aris saxelmZRvanelo, Tu 

rogor unda SeaZulo bavSvs 

saqarTvelos istoria! 

_ anu, saboloo jamSi, ga- 

naTlebis sistemis problemasTan 

mivdivarT, ara? 

_ ra Tqma unda, Tumca es problema 

da kraxi sxva sagnebs ar exeba 

da yvelaferi es gasuli saukunis 

60-iani wlebidan daiwyo, anu saqme, 

minimum, 50-wlian monakveTTan gvaqvs, 

roca saqarTvelos istoria ar 

iswavleba! sxvaTa Soris, komunistebis 

dros saqarTvelos istoriis 

XVI-XIX saukunis periodi an 

gayalbebuli iyo, an saerTod ar 

iswavleboda. amas garda, sazogadoebas 

codna daviT aRmaSeneblisa 

da Tamar mefis periodzec ar 

hqonda da erTaderTi, saidanac informacias 

iRebda, levan sanikiZis 

„uqarqaSo xmlebi” iyo, romelic, 

realurad, mxatvruli nawarmoebia. 

amas garda, saqarTvelos istoriaze 

kidev ramdenime mxatvruli 

nawarmoebi arsebobda, magaliTad, 

konstantine gamsaxurdias „daviT 

aRmaSenebeli” an „didostatis marjvena”... 

_ e. i., saqarTvelos istoriis 

ugulebelyofa, wlebia, mizanmima- 

rTulad xdeba da yvelaferi es 

putinma saTavisod gamoiyena? 

_ ra Tqma unda. saerTod, iciT, 

istoria ra aris? _ politikis 

safuZvelia da Tu Seni qveynis istoria 

ar ici, verc Seni qveynis 

politikosad ivargeb! sxvaTa 

Soris, aSS-is istoriaSi meore 

SemTxvevaa, roca prezidenti istorikosi, 

anu politologi ar 

aris _ istoriuli ganaTleba bakalavris 

an magistris doneze ar 

aqvs miRebuli da xom xedavT, 

amerikelebi ukve filmebs iReben, 

sadac xazgasmulia, rom mefe istorikosi 

unda iyos, romelsac, 

minimum, Tavisi qveynis istoria 

ecodineba. amerikelebi amas imitom 

akeTeben, rom xvdebian, araistorikosi 

prezidentebis gamo seriozuli 

problemebi eqmnebaT. 

komunistebma yvelaferi es 

Zalian kargad icodnen da Tu gaxsovT, 

maSin istoriis fakultets 

„saraikomismdivnos” eZaxdnen, anu 

sabWoTa kavSirSi yvela politikoss 

raRac donis istoriuli ganaTleba 

hqonda miRebuli. dRes ki 

istorikosi, saxelmwifos saTaves 

vin Civis, saqarTvelos parlamentSic 

ar gvyavs! metsac getyviT, SevardnaZis 

dros mrCevelTa erTgvari 

sabWo arsebobda, romelSic 

istorikosebic iyvnen. es tendencia 

saakaSvilis drosac gagrZelda. 

axla ki xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebs 

istorikosi mrCevlis 

donezec ar hyavT! 

`putinis sicruem saqarTvelos 

sazogadoeba Sekra. yovel 

SemTxvevaSi, sazogadoebis udidesi 

nawilisTvis da, maT Soris, im 

TaobisTvisac, romelsac ruseTTan 

siamtkbiloba akavSirebs da 

moskovSi 37 maneTad frenas 

mistiris, putini ukve 

absoluturad miuRebelia. amasTan, 

am fonze antisaokupacio aqciebi 

gaZlierda. metsac getyviT, TviT 

guram falavandiSvilmac Tqva, 

Zmao, antisaokupacio aqciebis 

sawinaaRmdego araferi gvaqvs da 

Cven `putinistebi~ ar varTo, 

anu sazogadoebis 

gansxvavebulad moazrovne 

nawilebis daZmobileba wavida~ 

xom xvdebiT, saqme ra problemasTan 

gvaqvs? arada, weRandeli 

Tqmisa ar iyos, istoria politikis 

safuZvelia _ unda icode, mteri 

vin aris. samarTlebrivi normebi 

da formebi Zalian kargia, magram 

igive samarTalic istoriul, eTnologiur 

da religiur monacemebs 

eyrdnoba. 

_ Znelia, ar dageTanxmoT, ba- 

tono simon, miT umetes, im fonze, 

roca ramdenime dRis win salome 

zurabiSvilma, romelic qveynis 

mxolod prezidenti ki ara, umaRlesi 

mTavarsardalicaa, zarzeim- 

iT gvamcno, okupaciis me-11 wels 

aRvniSnavTo. Tqven, rogorc istorikoss, 

okupaciis „me-11 wl- 

isTavis aRniSvna” rogor gesmiT? 

_ salome zurabiSvilis SemTxvevaSi, 

Cemi azriT, ramdenime problemasTan 

gvaqvs saqme: daviwyoT 

gonebaSezRudulobiT. diax, es 

qali gonebaSezRudulia da amas, 

jer kidev, maSin vambobdi, sanam 

prezidenti gaxdeboda! 

amas garda, Zalian xSirad ruse- 

Tis saqmes akeTebs. ai, magaliTad, 

azerbaijanSi Cavida da daviTgareja 

aaqoTa! amasTan, urTierToba 

kinaRam „sokarTanac” CaSala. mere 

erevanSi Cavida da somxeTi gaagi- 

Ja, anu es qali, imis nacvlad, rom 

megobrebi gaumravlos, saqarTvelos, 

realurad, mtrebs sZens! es, 

Cemi azriT, qveynis mtrobaa! yvelaferi 

es SeiZleba, gonebaSezRudulobiT 

an, ubralod, moRalateobiT 

mosdis! amasTan erTad, absoluturi 

umecaricaa! 

_ roca ambobs, okupaciis me- 

11 wlisTavs aRvniSnavTo, amiT 

zurabiSvili kremlis saqmes 

akeTebs, anu ise gamohyavs, rom 

Cven, saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs, 

rusuli okupacia gvixaria? 

_ gasagebia, rom okupaciidan 11 

weli gadis, magram ver gavige, „okupaciis 

aRniSvna” ras niSnavs? ar 

vici, zurabiSvils risi Tqma undoda, 

magram faqtia, rom yvelafer- 

Tan erTad, verc metyvelebs! 

_ am fonze, zurabiSvili puti- 

nis gancxadebebis Sefasebisgan 

Tavs ikavebs. Tqveni azriT, ra- 

tom? 

_ es imas niSnavs, rom prezidenti 

uvargisia! diax, Cven absoluturad 

uvargisi prezidenti gvyavs, 

romelic qveynisTvis zaralia 

_ am uvargis arsebas xelfass vuxdiT! 

_ giorgi gabunias mier ruse- 

Tis prezidentis araeTikurad 

moxseniebaze mTelma mmarTvelma 

vertikalma gancxadeba gancxade- 

baze gaavrcela. putinis mier 

saqarTvelos damaxinjebul isto- 

rias ki prezidentmac wauyrua da 

sxva Cinovnikebmac. es ra „spo- 

rtia”? 

_ ar minda, arasworad gamigoT 

da arc namuss vwmend, magram gabunias 

gancxadebis gamo bodiSi, samwuxarod, 

TviT saakaSvilmac moixada, 

putinis gancxadebaze ki opoziciuri 

speqtris udidesi nawilic 

dumda! ar vambob, rom gavrilovis 

Camoyvana da es gancxadeba erTiani 

sqema iyo, magram putinma sworad 

gaTvala, anu, erTi mxriv, saqarTvelos 

sazogadoebas, romelic Zalian 

daZabuli iyo, moefera da 

moaduna. sxvaTa Soris, Temur lengma, 

birTviss sami dRe da Rame 

rom iRebda, moulodnelad brZola 

xuTi saaTiT Sewyvita da qar- 

Tveli mebrZolebi gaiTiSnen. amis 

Semdeg Temur lengma Sturmi ganaaxla. 

putinmac aseTi raRac gaakeTa 

_ situacia jer Zalian daZaba, 

mere, aranairi sanqcia ar iqnebao, 

sazogadoebac moaduna da egreve 

is sicrue Semogvtena, romelzec 

vsaubrobT. am sicrueze reagireba 

qarTulma politikurma 

speqtrma, maT Soris, opoziciamac, 

samwuxarod, ver moaxerxa. es putinis 

mxridan fsiqologiuri Sturmi 

iyo! 

_ anu sainformacio omi krem- 

lma mogvigo? 

_ kremlma sainformacio omi 

moigo ki ara, Cemi azriT, am omSi 

udidesi wageba naxa da getyviT, 

ratomac: rogorc ki istorikosebma 

putinis gancxadebaze reaqcia 

misces, isinic ki, vinc „nacionalebis” 

momxrea da, magaliTad, 

gogi oTxmezuri ar uyvars, radgan 

„nacebis” mowinaaRmdegea, masze 

cudis saTqmelad ena aRar utrialdebaT, 

anu putinis sicruem 

saqarTvelos sazogadoeba Sekra. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, sazogadoebis 

udidesi nawilisTvis da, maT Soris, 

im TaobisTvisac, romelsac 

ruseTTan siamtkbiloba akavSirebs 

da moskovSi 37 maneTad frenas mistiris, 

putini ukve absoluturad 

miuRebelia. 

amasTan, am fonze antisaokupacio 

aqciebi gaZlierda. metsac 

getyviT, TviT guram falavandiSvilmac 

Tqva, Zmao, antisaokupacio 

aqciebis sawinaaRmdego araferi 

gvaqvs da Cven „putinistebi” ar 

varTo, anu sazogadoebis gansxvavebulad 

moazrovne nawilebis 

daZmobileba wavida. marTalia, 

televiziebi cdiloben, sxvanairad 

warmoaCinon, magram, realurad, 

nabiji erTobisken gadaidga. 

_ SeiZleba, magram isic vTqvaT, 

rom „mekomble” vasaZis ukan krem- 

li dgas. 

_ ar vici, vasaZis ukan ra da 

rogor dgas _ pirdapir aravis 

vdeb brals, magram erTi ram vici: 

kote afxazi, mazniaSvili, ximSiaSvili 

da sxvebic ruseTis generlebi 

iyvnen. 

_ batono simon, vasaZe kote 

afxazs, vin-vin da, Tqven mainc ar 

unda SeadaroT! 

_ ar vadareb, magram roca 

ruseTma wiTeli xazebi gadalaxa, 

yvela es adamiani ruseTTan brZolis 

saqmeSi saqarTvelos gmirad 

da wmindanad iqca! qarTveli xalxis 

gadarCenis meqanizmi swored es 

aris! odesRac biZina ColoyaSvili 

sparselebis pirveli TanamSromeli 

iyo, magram erTi incidenti sakmarisi 

aRmoCnda, rom pozicia Seecvala 

da didmowame gamxdariyo! 

qarTvelebs am kaTarzisisa da 

transformaciis, anu savles pavled 

gardaqmnis aranormaluri Sinagani 

unari gvaqvs! 

_ ki batono, magram ra vqna, ar 

mjera, rom vasaZe pavled gar- 

daiqmneba. 

_ arasodes vityvi, rom saakaSvili, 

ivaniSvili, gaxaria, merabiSvili, 

vasaZe an sulac, Tqven da me 

arasodes gardaviqmnebiT! Teoriulad, 

pavled gardaqmna SeiZleba, 

yvelaSi moxdes! 

sxvaTa Soris, odesRac me da 

levan vasaZe megobrebi viyaviT, 

magram rac jer aSS-Si wavida, Semdeg 

ki _ ruseTSi, erTxelac ar 

Semxmianebia, Tumca erT rames ver 

viviwyeb: 9 aprils mitingidan Sin 

wamosvlas vapirebdi, am dros Sejibridan 

dabrunebul levans gadavawydi 

da im Rames sikvdilamde 

ioma _ kinaRam Tvalebic dakarga. 

maSin levani 18 wlis iyo, mas mere 

aRar minaxavs, dRes iseTs vxedav, 

rogoric aris _ ruseTSi namyofnacxovrebi, 

magram ar vici, xval 

rogori iqneba. saerTod, gvinaxavs, 

roca kargi kacebi gafuWebulan da 

piriqiTac momxdara _ cudi kacebi 

gakeTilSobilebulan! 

asea Tu ise, Tavs veravisze 

davdeb, magram arsebobs raRac 

Zafi, romelsac Tu vinme Seexeba, 

qarTveli ar apatiebs da es Cveni 

Rirsebaa! qarTvelma SeiZleba, yvelaferi 

gapatios, magram saqarTvelos 

istoriis gadaweras da Rirsebis 

Seuracxyofas ar gapatiebs! 

_ sxvaTa Soris, aseTi versiac 

arsebobs: putinma saqarTvelos 

sanqciebi imitom aRar dauwesa, 

rom axal provokacias gvimzadebso. 

Tqvenc ase xom ar ggoniaT, ba- 

tono simon? 

_ provokacia is iyo, rac gaake- 

Ta: putinma pirdapir gviTxra, miyvarxarT 

da ginebasac SevirCeno, 

anu Zalian keTili da keTilSobili 

persona iTamaSa da amis mere 

afazeTsa da cxinvalTan, zogadad, 

saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebrobas- 

Tan dakavSirebiT iseTi ram „Semogvtena”, 

rom Tu amas gavatarebT, 

ruseTi da Cveni nebismieri mowinaaRmdege 

putinis am gancxadebas 

ise gamoiyenebs, rogorc wyaros da 

arguments, raTa saqarTvelos 

Tavze gadauaros! isev gavimeoreb: 

amaze Cvens prezidentadwodebul 

arsebas pasuxi ar gaucia da putins 

mxolod parlamentis Tavmjdomarem 

da istorikosebma upasuxes. 

_ saerTaSoriso WrilSi is- 

torikosebis pasuxi sakmarisia? 

_ Tu istorikosi prezidentia, 

ki, magram Tu istorikosi rigiTi 

moqalaqea, maSin misi pasuxi, ra 

Tqma unda, sakmarisi ar aris, radgan 

saerTaSoriso asparezze saqarTvelos 

xelisuflebas warmoadgens 

da ganasaxierebs! mokled, is, 

rom putinma sicrue Tqva, istorikosebze 

dayrdnobiT, xelisuflebam 

unda gasces pasuxi da mkafiod 

Tqvas, _ batono putin, Tqvens istoriul 

Txzulebas ar viRebT da 

es sicrueao! roca xelisuflebas 

vambob, rigiT deputats an romelime 

ministrs ki ara, sam personas 

vgulisxmob: prezidenti, premieri 

da parlamentis Tavmjdomare! kidev 

kargi, vrceli Tu mokle komentari 

TalakvaZem gaakeTa. calke sakiTxia, 

sazogadoebis TvalSi baxtaZe 

da zurabiSvili ras wamoadgenen, 

magram Tu putins isinic ar 

upasuxeben, maSin istoriis Tval- 

Si zurabiSvilsa da baxtaZes veraferi 

gawmends! saqarTvelos ruseTsa 

da putinze gacilebiT mZlavri 

problemebi hqonia, magram es 

problemebi dRes aRar arsebobs, 

Cven ki isev vdgavarT da kvlavac 

vidgebiT es gamocdaa da gaaCnia, 

vin rogor Caabarebs! 

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ra xdeboda `gavrilovis Rames~ 

antisaokupacio aqciaSi pirveli 


dRidan monawileobs _ parlamentis 

win Sekrebil aTasobiT aRSfoTe- 

bul adamians, jer kidev, 20 ivniss, mitingis darbevamde mimarTa. 

im dros ki, roca aqciis monawileebs Zalovnebi daerivnen, parlamentis 

SenobaSi imyofeboda. SenobaSi imitom Sevida, rom televzi- 

iT moismina, premieri da Ss ministri deputatebs unda Sexvdneno, 

magram arc erTi maTgani TvaliTac ar unaxavs, radgan sasesio 

darbazTan misuli erTgvar SidapatimrobaSi aRmoCnda, anu Ss min- 

istris dacva, rogorc ambobs, gadaadgilebas ukrZalavda. ucnau- 

ria, magram es akrZalva „ocnebis” deputatebze ar vrceldeboda 

da isini SenobaSi Tavisuflad gadaadgildebodnen. 

ra xdeboda im dros sakanonmdeblo 

SenobaSi, roca antisaokupacio 

aqciis monawileebs dam- 

iznebiT esrodnen da Tvalebs 

Txridnen? _ am detalebs „qroni- 

ka+”-s damoukidebeli deputati 

nato CxeiZe uyveba. 

sxvaTa Soris, samarTliano- 

bisTvis unda iTqvas, rom nato 

CxeiZe da misi meuRle, „omega 

jgufis” damfuZnebeli zaza oquaS 

aSvili, pirvelebi iyvnen, rom- 

lebmac „ocnebis” usamarTlobaze, 

Zaladobasa da Tu korufciul 

sqemebze saubari, jer kidev, ma- 

Sin daiwyes, roca xelisuflebaSi 

samarTlianobis aRdgenis egidiT 

mosuli politikuri gundis mima- 

rT xalxs simpaTia, ase Tu ise, 

kidev hqonda. 

dRevandeli mocemuloba ki 

iseTia, rogoric aris, anu is, 

razedac „omega” ramdenime Tvis 

win saubrobda, praqtikulad, da- 

dasturebulia da eWvi aRaravis 

epareba, rom „ocneba” sakuTar 

sazogadoebaze Zaladobs! 

mokled, gTavazobT intervius 

damoukidebel deputat nato CxeiZesTan, 

romelsac, maRali sa- 

zogadoebrivi interesidan gamom- 

dinare, cxadia, imis Sesaxebac 

vkiTxeT, telekompania „iberia” 

mauwyeblobas aRadgens Tu ara? 

_ politikaSi Tqvens sityvas 

aqamdec ambobdiT da ukan ara- 

sodes ixevdiT, magram bolo dros 

antisaokupacio aqciebSi aqti- 

urad monawileobT. ise, kargad 

Tu gavaanalizebT, yvelafer imis 

safuZveli, rac dRes xdeba, „ome- 

gam” Seqmna, anu „ocnebis” mxileba 

gasuli wlis Semodgomaze Tqven 

da Tqvenma meuRlem daiwyeT. ar 

meTanxmebiT, qalbatono nato? 

_ diax, aqciebze davdivar, radgan 

es aqciebi mxolod okupaciis 

ki ara, Zaladobisa da usamarTlobis 

winaaRmdegaa mimarTuli. ise, 

okupaciac Zaladobaa... gavrilovis 

saqarTveloSi Camosvla, erTerT 

gavlenian savarZelSi misi 

Caskupeba da iqidan Cveni xalxis 

damoZRvra, cxadia, aRmaSfoTebeli 

iyo. es im usamarTlobis bolo 

wveTi iyo, romelic TasSi aRar 

eteva. sxvaTa Soris, aqciis bevri 

monawile yuradRebiT mommarTavs, 

mec mkiTxulobs, zazasac da meubneba, 

yvelaferi es zazasgan daiwyoo. 

adamianebi ase, albaT, imitom 

aRiqvamen, rom Cvens mTavrobas 

SarSan, seqtembramde, uniaTo erqva 

_ yvelaferi is, rac mosawoni ar 

iyo, maT Soris, Zaladobac da usamarTlobac, 

uniaTobas miewereboda. 

uniaToba Semawuxebeli ara, magram 

Zalian aRmaSfoTebelia, radgan 

mniSvneloba ar aqvs, mTavroba 

ratom ver marTavs, es qveyanas etyoba. 

asea Tu ise, uniaTobis gamo 

SeiZleba, protesti ar gagiCndes, 

_ ra qnas, meti ar SeuZliao, magram 

„omegas” saqmem dokumenturad gamoaaSkarava, 

rom uniaToebi ki ara, 

korufciaSi arian Caflulebi da 

isic aSkara gaxda, rom qveyanaSi 

arsebuli usamarTloba da Zalmomreoba 

maTi sixarbisgan modis. 

jerjerobiT sityva „borotebas” 

ar gamoviyeneb, magram korufcia, 

sixarbesTan erTad, sakuTari qveynisa 

da mosaxleobis mimarT sruli 

gulgrilobacaa. 

_ korufcia, Cemi azriT, avtokratiisa 

da diqtaturis wina- 

pirobacaa. 

_ korufcia Zaladoba da usamarTlobaa 

da roca Zaladobac 

gagdis da usamarTlobac, cxadia, 

avtokratiamde, uzurpaciamde, 

diqtaturamde da, saerTod, yvelafer 

umsgavsobamde midixar! 

_ „omegas” qeisidan kargad 

gvaxsovs, rom „ocnebasTan” daaxloebuli 

„tipebi” Tambaqos baz- 

arze erTi kompaniis Seqmnas, anu 

biznesis erTi adamianis xelSi 

moqcevas cdilobdnen da es 

erTjeradi korufciis ki ara, 

avtokratiis niSanicaa, ara? 

_ korufcia mudmivia da es qveynis 

ekonomikas Zirs uTxris. swored 

amitomaa, rom Raribi qveyana 

varT, Tu ara Rataki. sammilionnaxevari 

adamianis movla rTuli 

ar aris, magram siRatakes ver moerevi, 

Tu qveynis biujets mudmivad 

xrav. ise, siRatakis moreva 

saWirod arc miaCniaT, radgan Raribi 

adamianebi ufro advilad samarTavi 

arian, vidre _ sakuTrebis 

mqoneni! es Cveulebrivi komunisturi 

da socialisturi azrovnebaa, 

rom sakuTreba ar unda gqondes 

da Sesabamisad, adamianis mar- 

Tvac ufro advili iqneba. 

_ niSandoblivia, rom im adami- 

anebis umetesoba, romlebzec, 

Tavis droze, „omega” saubrobda, 

e. w. gavrilovis krizisis mTavari 

figurantia. maSin viRacebi skeptikurad 

iyvnen ganwyobilni, ma- 

gram igive 20-ma ivnisma yvelaferi 

is, rasac „omega” Tundac gaxariaze 

ambobda, daadastura. imTaviTve 

icodiT, vis da ras upir- 

ispirdebodiT? 

_ Tavidan mxolod sazogadoebisTvis 

ki ara, „omegasTvisac” Zneli 

dasajerebeli iyo, rom mis 

garSemo mafiis gorgali ixlarTeboda. 

riskze wavediT Tu ara? _ Tu 

riskze ar waxval, maTTan erTad 

unda iyo, anu sxva alternativa da 

mesame gza ar arsebobs: an riskze 

unda waxvide, an maT jgufSi unda 

iyo. „iq” moxvedra Seni Rirsebisa 

da qveynisTvis Zalian cudia. amitom 

riskze unda waxvide, aba, sxvanairad 

rogor unda moiqce? 

_ sxvaTa Soris, Tqveni yofili 

Tanagundeli, ada marSania, gavri- 

lovs icavda _ cdilobda, rom 

misTvis savarZeli gaeTavisu- 

flebina. qalbatono nato, erTg- 

vari siamaye xom ar igrZeniT, rom 

gavrilovis damcvel politikur 

gunds aRar warmoadgenT? 

_ ver getyviT, rom vifiqre, ra 

droze gamovaswari-meTqi _ roca 

raRac SenTvis miuRebelia, amis 

Tqma yovelTvis SegiZlia. saer- 

Tod, nebismier partias Tavisi, ase 

vTqvaT, mimdinareoba aqvs da qveyanaSi 

SeiZleba, dasavluri mimarTulebis 

partiebic arsebobdnen, 

Crdilouri da gnebavT, aRmosavluric, 

anu partiebi, ase Tu ise, 

sazogadoebis garkveul midrekilebebs 

gamoxataven. sazogadoeba- 

Si ki yvelanairi politikuri gemovnebis 

adamiani arsebobs. qveynis 

problema is ki ar iyo, rom „nacionalur 

moZraobasa” da „evropul 

saqarTvelos”, „patriotTa aliansisgan” 

gansxvavebiT, gavrilovis 

saqarTveloSi yofna kategoriulad 

miuReblad miaCnda, aramed qveynis 

problema maSin gaxda, roca gavrilovma 

parlamentis Tavmjdomaris 

savarZlidan humanuri idee- 

nato CxeiZe: `Cemi, 

rogorc moqalaqisa 

da deputatis 

pasuxismgeblobaa, 

rom samarTlian 

aqciebSi 

vmonawileobde!~ 

biT mogvmarTa, anu gavrilovi nebismieri 

sxva deputatis savarZel- 

Si rom mjdariyo, partiebisTvis 

esec problema iqneboda, magram 

amas sazogadoebisgan didi aRSfoTeba 

da aRelveba ar mohyveboda. 

spikeris savarZlidan gavrilovis 

laparakma is muxti Seqmna, romlis 

ganelebasac veravin SeZlebs! 

_ „ocnebac” ar uaryofs, rom 

gavrilovma patriotuli muxti 

warmoSva, Tumca, sabolood, sax- 

elmwifo gadatrialebamde mivediT. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, xelisufleba 

amboxiT da „saSvebis rev- 

oluciiT” apelirebs. im Rames, 

rogorc orc vici, parlamentSi iyaviT. 

sakanonmdeblo organoSi el- 

Cebi marTla imyofebodnen? 

_ iq elCebi ar minaxavs! 

Tavdapirvelad mitingze viyavi 

da sazogadoebas sityviTac mivmarTe. 

daaxloebiT, 6-7 saaTze Sin 

wamovedi. cota xanSi televiziidan 

gavige, rom parlamentSi deputatebi 

ikribebodnen, radgan iq Sesa- 

Zloa, gaxaria da baxtaZe misuliyvnen. 

marTalia, ar vicodi, vin 

deputatebi ikribebodnen, magram 

radgan premieri da Ss ministri 

parlamentSi apirebdnen misvlas, 

CavTvale, rom isini deputatebs 

unda Sexvedrodnen da mec iq unda 

vyofiliyavi. parlamentSi mivedi 

Tu ara, sasesio darbazisken wavedi, 

radgan yvela Sexvedra, wesiT, 

iq imarTeba xolme. iqauroba 

dacvis wevrebiT iyo savse _ kibeze 

da yvelgan idgnen. 

_ anu parlamentis SenobaSi 

uproblemod SegiSves? 

_ diax, Tumca sasesio darbazis 

foiedan gamosvla SeuZlebeli iyo. 

_ ratom? 

_ yvelgan gaxarias dacvis 

wevrebi idgnen. 

_ ras geubnebodnen? 

_ arafers. amasobaSi gairkva, 

rom baxtaZe da gaxaria sasesio darbazSi 

Semosvlas ar apirebdnen. 

isic gavigeT, rom orive zeda sarTulze 

imyofeboda, sadac baxta- 

Zis apartamentebia. mokled, Cvenc 

zeda sarTulze asvla movindomeT, 

àr gamovricxav, daZabulobis 

Semomtani aqciis monawileebi 

ki ara, iq Semogzavnili 

provokatorebi yofiliyvnen!~ 

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parlamentis SenobaSi? 

miT umetes, CvenTvis cnobili iyo, 

rom iq „ocnebis” ramdenime deputati 

imyofeboda, magram Cven, cxadia, 

ar agviSves. 

_ amiT Tqveni, rogorc deputatis, 

uflebebi dairRva, qalba- 

tono nato? 

_ raRa Tqma unda, radgan deputats 

gadaadgilebis ufleba parlamentSi 

ki ara, yvelgan aqvs. erTaderTi, 

parlamentis Tavmjdomaris 

nebarTva cixeSi Sesvlis drosaa 

saWiro. 

_ e. i. deputatebi sakanonmdeblo 

organoSi erTgvar Sida pa- 

timrobaSi aRmoCndiT, ara? 

_ daaxloebiT, ase iyo, radgan 

arsad gviSvebdnen da iseTi adgili 

unda mogveZebna, saidanac gareT 

gamovidodiT, magram piradad me 

gareT gamosvla imitom ar movindome, 

rom vicodi, SenobaSi is adamianebi 

iyvnen, romlebsac gadawyvetilebis 

miRebis raRac berketebi 

aqvT, Tan iq TiTqos imitom 

iyvnen, rom deputatebs dalaparakebodnen, 

magram rogorc gamoCnda, 

CvenTan saubari ar undodaT da 

mxolod „ocnebis” deputatebs esaubrebodnen. 

sxvaTa Soris, „ocnebis” 

deputatebisTvis SezRudvebi 

ar arsebobda da kibeze mSvenivrad 

arbod-Camorbodnen. amasobaSi 

saSineli gruxuni daiwyo da 

Tavidan vifiqre, es iaraRis srolis 

xma iyo. 

_ ra gancda dageuflaT _ iaraRidan 

xalxi isroda Tu poli- 

cia? 

_ specrazmi. sxvaTa Soris, parlamentis 

Sida ezo Zalovani struqturebis 

warmomadgenlebiT iyo 

savse. sanam es gruxuni iqneboda, 

ezoSi rotaciis msgavsi SevniSne, 

anu garkveuli xalxi parlamentis 

Sua ezos aqeT-iqidan mdebare darbazebSi 

Sedioda, garkveuli ki _ 

gamodioda. 

mokled, gruxunis xma rom gaisma, 

dacvis wevrebma fanjrebis daxurva 

daiwyes, Tan miTxres, qalbatono, 

nu geSiniaT, araferia, gazi 

gauSveso. gazis gaSveba, Turme, 

araferia da ar unda SemSineboda. 

_ ise, SegeSindaT? 

_ SiSi ara, magram daZabuloba 

vigrZeni, radgan gazis gaSvebis 

winapiroba TiTqos ar arsebobda. 

gazs tyviebis srola moyva, mere ki 

wylis Wavli da abjrebiT wamosvla. 

_ qalbatono nato, SenobaSi 

Tu arsebobda imis gancda, rom 

antisaokupacio aqciis monawi- 

leebs SesaZloa, parlamenti 

aeRoT da saxelmwifo gadatri- 

aleba momxdariyo? 

_ rac Seexeba saxelmwifo gadatrialebas, 

ar minda, sityva „sasacilo” 

gamoviyeno, radgan sasacilo 

araa, roca mTavrobas aseTi 

iluziis Seqmna unda. sxvaTa Soris, 

am iluziis Seqmna pirveli ar aris. 

parlamentis SigniT saxelmwifo 

gadatrialebis mcdeloba namdvilad 

ar igrZnoboda. amboben, nika 

melia SenobaSi unda Semosuliyoo 

da romc amosuliyo, amiT ra 

moxdeboda? 

_ gamoZiebis mTavari mtkice- 

buleba, romliTac xelisufleba 

amboxis mcdelobas amyarebs, isaa, 

rom, Turme, didi raodenobiT 

saSvi iyo daSvebuli. 

_ jer erTi, parlamentSi adamianebze 

saSvebs yovelTvis uSveben. 

meorec, ras niSnavs, imaze meti 

saSvi iyo daSvebuli, vidre unda 

ès CvenTanaa, rom politikuri cvlilebebi samarTlebriv cvlilebebs iwvevs 

- aviRoT Tundac melias ambavi, romelic meore dRes unda daeWiraT, cxadia, 

kanonsmiRma, magram aRar daiWires da saxeluri Tu sayeluri, aseve 

kanonsmiRma Seabes~ 

yofiliyoo? _ amis limiti ar arsebobs. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, piradad 

me ar gamigia, sadme eweros, rom 

saSvebze limiti arsebobs an bevri 

ramdenia. 

mesamec, parlamentSi moqalaqeebis 

yofna Cveulebrivi ambavia da 

isic cnobilia, moqalaqeebi parlamentSi 

rogor Sedian _ deteqtorze 

gadian da Tu vinme saeWvo 

iyo, manamde unda aRekveTaT da 

saSualeba ar miecaT, rom iq ramdenime 

saaTis ganmavlobaSi yofiliyo. 

_ im Rames momitingeebi parla- 

mentSi rom Semosuliyvnen, amiT, 

rogor fiqrobT, ra daSavdeboda? 

_ iciT, ra xdeba? _ adamianebi, 

romlebsac undaT, rom Tavze saxelmwifo 

gadatrialebis versia 

mogvaxvion, cdiloben, rom ankesi 

raRacas, konkretulad, 2003 wlis 

movlenebs gamosdon, magram 2003 

wlis da dRevandeli situacia, 

realurad, absoluturad, gansxvavebulia. 

_ ratom? 

_ getyviT: arCevnebi damTavrebuli 

iyo da parlamentis im sxdomas, 

romelic 2003 wlis 23 noembers 

tardeboda, arCevnebis Sedegebi 

unda eRiarebina, anu axali 

parlamentisTvis legitimacia unda 

mieca. im sxdomis CaSlam gadatrialeba 

ar gamoiwvia, magram maSindeli 

prezidenti Sin wavida, e. i., 

sxdomis CaSlas garkveuli procesebi 

moyva. 

20 ivniss ki parlamentSi sxdoma 

ar tardeboda da nika melia 

romc Semosuliyo, ra moxdeboda? 

sxvaTa Soris, Tavad uTqvamT, melia 

da sxvebi _ zogi deputati da 

aradeputati Semovides, radgan 

unda movelaparakoTo. ise, CemTvis 

gaugebaria, gaxarias da, davuSvaT, 

ugulavas an melias raze unda moelaparakebinaT, 

roca sazogadoeba 

kobaxiZis gadadgomas moiTxovda?! 

gaxaria axla ambobs, Tema dam- 

Tavrebuli iyo, gavrilovi saqarTvelodan 

saRamos eqvs saaTze wavidao. 

ki batono, gavrilovi wavida, 

magram kobaxiZem ganacxada, ar 

gadavdgebio da sazogadoebaSi 

kidev ufro meti gaRizianeba da 

aRSfoTeba swored aman gamoiwvia! 

miT umetes, roca Tavad ambob, rom 

gavrilovi gaistumre, e. i., Tavs 

raRac gaugebrobaSi moxvedrilad 

grZnob, anu Secdoma mogivida, magram 

es iseTi Secdomaa, romelzedac 

pasuxismgebloba unda aiRo da 

parlamentis Tavmjdomare gadadges. 

mokled, daZabuloba kobaxiZis 

gancxadebas moyva, ar gadavdgebio. 

am fonze raze unda moelaparakebinaT? 

sazogadoebas etyodnen, 

kobaxiZe ar gadadgeba, magram daiSaleTo? 

es xom ar moxdeboda! 

_ qalbatono nato, garda imi- 

sa, rom deputati xarT, im dRes 

antisaokupacio 

saprotesto 

aqciis rigiTi monawilec iyaviT. 

xelisuflebas melia-ugulavas- 

Tan molaparakeba warmatebiT rom 

daemTavrebina, amiT protesti 

gagiqrebodaT? 

_ opoziciis warmomadgenlebi 

verc pasuxismgeblobas aiRebdnen 

da verc _ valdebulebas, rom sazogadoebisTvis 

es eTqvaT. es rom 

eTqva, opozicia demoralizebuli 

`rac Seexeba saxelmwifo gadatrialebas, ar 

minda, sityva `sasacilo~ gamoviyeno, radgan 

sasacilo araa, roca mTavrobas aseTi 

iluziis Seqmna unda. sxvaTa Soris, am iluziis 

Seqmna pirveli ar aris. parlamentis SigniT 

saxelmwifo gadatrialebis mcdeloba 

namdvilad ar igrZnoboda. amboben, nika melia 

SenobaSi unda Semosuliyoo da romc 

amosuliyo, amiT ra moxdeboda?~ 

iqneboda. 

_ xelisufleba 20 ivnisis mov- 

lenebs saaTebad yofs da ambobs, 

saRamos aT saaTamde gulwrfeli 

protesti iyo, mere ki marTuli 

protesti daiwyoo. 

_ ar vici, xelisufleba saaTebis 

mixedviT ratom yofs. aT saaTamde, 

kobaxiZis im gancxadebis Semdeg, 

Cemi gadadgoma ar igegmebao, 

SesaZloa, aRSfoTebam moimata. 

ise, raxan am aT saaTze laparakoben, 

ar gamovricxav, rom daZabulobis 

Semomtani aqciis monawileebi 

ki ara, iq Semogzavnilebi, 

anu provokatorebi yofiliyvnen! 

_ „ocneba” yvelafers opozici- 

is upasuxismgeblo liderebs 

abralebs. qalbatono nato, 20 

dReze metia, parlamentis win mim- 

dinare antisaokupacio aqciaSi 

monawileobT. e. i., xelisuflebisTvis 

Tqvenc „opoziciis upasux- 

ismgeblo lideri” xarT. am, ase 

vTqvaT, braldebaze xelisufle- 

bas ras upasuxebT? 

_ Cemi, rogorc moqalaqisa da 

deputatis pasuxismgeblobaa, is 

aRSfoTeba gamovxato, rac usamarTlobisa 

da Zalmomreobis mimarT 

maqvs! 

aseve Cemi pasuxismgeblobaa, im 

adamianebis gverdiT viyo, romlebic 

politikuri pasuxismgeblobis 

aRebas jer kobaxiZisgan moiTxovdnen, 

20 ivnisis Ramis Semdeg ki 

_ gaxariasgan! vinaidan aqciebi 

demokratiul qveyanaSi sruliad 

dasaSvebia, isic Cemi pasuxismgeblobaa, 

rom samarTlian aqciebSi 

vmonawileobde! 

is, rom aqcia amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi 

grZeldeba, ukve xelisuflebis 

pasuxismgeblobaa. amitom, 

yvelam Tavis pasuxismgeblobas 

mixedos! 

_ es ambebi, adre Tu gvian, 

damTavrdeba da xelisuflebas 

„ocnebac” datovebs. mainteresebs, 

ai, maSin ras etyviT im adamianebs, 

Tundac gaxariasa da ivaniSvils, 

romlebic „omegas” saqmeSi figur- 

ireben? 

_ isini ukve Zalian cud mdgomareobaSi 

iqnebian da, simarTle 

giTxraT, adamianuri TvalsazrisiT, 

niSns ar movugeb, Tumca weRandeli 

Tqmisa ar iyos, yvelam Tavisi 

pasuxismgebloba unda zidos, 

magram ara ise hipoTeturad, rogorc 

Cveni mTavrobisgan movismineT. 

_ aba, rogor? 

_ rogorc miRebulia politikuri 

da samarTlebrivi pasuxismgebloba! 

_ bolo dros saqarTveloSi 

ganviTarebuli movlenebi, im sasamarTlo 

davebze, romelic „ome- 

gam” „ocnebis” xelisuflebis winaa 

aaRmdeg daiwyo, kompaniis sa- 

sargeblod imoqmedebs? anu da- 

savleTisTvis ufro TvalnaTeli 

xom ar gaxdeba, rom saqarTvelo- 

Si arademokratiuli viTarebaa? 

_ es CvenTanaa, rom politikuri 

cvlilebebi samarTlebriv cvlilebebs 

iwvevs _ aviRoT Tundac 

melias ambavi, romelic meore 

dRes unda daeWiraT, cxadia, kanonsmiRma, 

magram aRar daiWires da 

saxeluri Tu sayeluri, aseve kanonsmiRma 

Seabes. 

mokled, CvenTan xdeba, rom samarTlebriv 

gadawyvetilebebs politikuri 

procesebi ganapirobebs, 

Torem ucxoeTSi namdvilad samarTlebrivi 

saxelmwifoebia, romelTa 

samarTalic kanonebzea damyarebuli. 

Sesabamisad, iq politikur 

procesebs ki ar iTvaliswineben, 

aramed argumentebisa da faqtebis 

kanonebTan SesabamisobiT 

moqmedeben. 

ase rom, is sasamarTlo procesebi, 

romelic ucxoeTSi mimdinareobs, 

kanonebTan SesabamisobaSia 

da bolomdec kanonierad miva. 

_ es mesmis, magram adamianebs, 

romlebic xelisuflebaSi aRar 

iqnebian, sakuTari interesebis 

dacva gauWirdebaT, anu maxsovs, 

Cveni bolo Sexvedris dros miTx- 

ariT, rom saxelmwifom „omegas- 

Tan” sasamarTlo davebisTvis 

ucxouri saadvokato firma daiqirava, 

romelsac Tanxa biu- 

jetidan gadauxada... 

_ iciT, saqme rogor aris? _ 

mTavrobebi erTmaneTis samar- 

Talmemkvidreebi arian. amdenad, 

saxelmwifo interesebis dacva mas 

mouwevs, vinc xelisuflebaSi „ocnebis” 

mere mova. amis gamo wuxils 

gamovTqvam, radgan Zalauneburad 

saxelmwifos ejaxebi, arada, realurad, 

saxelmwifos ki ara, mas 

unda Seejaxo, vinc saxelmwifo 

struqturebs warmarTavs. 

eseni, cxadia, maqsimalurad 

moindomeben, rom Tavi daicvan, 

radgan damnaSaveebi arian, magram 

isini, romlebic amaT mere movlen, 

SesaZloa, ise gamwarebulebi ar 

iyvnen, rom Tavi daicvan. 

_ ki batono, magram „omegas” 

qeisSi SesaZloa, dRevandeli Cino- 

vnikebis pirovnuli pasuxismge- 

bloba dadges. Sesabamisad, Tavis 

dacva SeiZleba, veRar moaxerxon, 

radgan saamiso fuli aRar eqnebaT. 

_ biujeti imdeni ki gamoxres, 

rom Tavis dasacavad Tanxa eyofaT, 

magram ucxoeTSi Tanxa arafers 

niSnavs! 

_ bolos, qalbatono nato, XX 

saukunea, iberiis gabrwyinebas 

velodebiT da imedia, odesme 

gabrwyindeba, magram telekompania 

„iberias” ra elis, mauwyeblo- 

bas ganaaxlebs? 

_ Tves da ricxvs ver getyviT, 

magram zustad vici, rom „iberia” 

mauwyeblobas aRadgens! 

saerTod, adamianebs yvelaferi 

gveCqareba imitom, rom sicocxlis 

Tundac garantirebuli asi weli 

Zalian cotaa, magram samyarosTvis 

es asi weli, marTlac, wuTisofelia. 

ase rom, cvlilebebi Zalian 

swrafad xdeba da adamianebic am 

cvlilebebs mivyvebiT! 

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am saprotesto muxtis paralelurad 

ki Ss ministri acxadebs: 

„erTxel da samudamod unda 

gadavwyvitoT, rom Cven ar 

vsaubrobT Tanamdebobaze. yvelaze 

martivi CemTvis axla gadadgoma 

da wasvlaa. yvelaze martivi 

gamosavalia, Tumca, amas- 

Tan erTad, CemTvis wasvla am 

momentSi es aris pasuxismgeblobisgan 

gaqceva, araTu pasuxismgeblobis 

aReba. axalgazrdebi 

axla saubroben raRac Secdomaze, 

maT jer ar aqvT gaTviTcnobierebuli, 

ras niSnavs saxelmwifo 

samsaxurSi yofna. ras 

niSnavs, saqarTvelosnair qveyanaSi 

iyo Sinagan saqmeTa ministri, 

ras niSnavs, rodesac Seni 

qveynis parlaments, romelic 

bolo 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi ramdenjerme 

iyo StumriT aRebuli, 

kidev erTxel, mesamed esxmian 

Tavs fizikurad, jgufurad, 

sistemurad da organizebulad”, 

_ acxadebs gaxaria da, 

rogorc Cans, is ganviTarebul 

movlenebze srul pasuxismgeblobas 

iRebs. 

ratom rCeba Tanamdebobaze 

Ss ministri? ratom ar iRebs 

biZina ivaniSvili misi gadayenebis 

gadawyvetilebas? am mocemulobaSi 

„qarTuli ocnebisTvis” 

krizisis daZlevis erTaderTi 

gza aris Tu ara gaxarias 

gadadgoma? rogor imoqmedebs 

opozicia, konkretulad 

ki „evropuli saqarTvelo”, 

proporciul sistemaze gadasvlis 

procesSi? 

aRniSnul TemebTan dakav- 

SirebiT, „qronika+” „evropuli 

saqarTvelos” wevrs, deputat 

irma nadiraSvils esaubra: 

_ Ss ministrma ganacxada, 

rom opoziciam gavrilovis 

Camosvlis Sesaxeb informacia 

didi xniT adre moipova. da Tu 

rame pretenziebi hqondaT, See- 

ZloT, saTanado nabijebi gada- 

edgaT. ras gvetyviT amasTan 

dakavSirebiT? 

_ gaxarias es gancxadeba 

sruli tyuilia. aseve es aris 

isrebis gadatanis mcdeloba 

opoziciaze. opozicia veranairad 

ver iqneba pasuxismgebeli 

gavrilovis am vizitze, radgan 

im dRidan, rodesac ukve cnobili 

gaxda, rom am asambleis 

farglebSi gavrilovi apirebda 

Camosvlas, „evropulma saqarTvelom” 

araerTxel gaakeTa gancxadeba, 

rom gavrilovi ar unda 

SemoeSvaT saqarTveloSi. 

magram Cven vismendiT pasuxebs, 

rom amis safuZveli ar arsebobda. 

wina dRes, sanam gavrilovi 

saqarTvelos parlamentSi sx- 

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`nebismieri saqme, romelsac 

ukve sam kviraze metia, Ss min- 

nene injgia 

istris gadadgomis moTxovniT, 

irma nadiraSvili: 

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sakanonmdeblo organos win, aqciebi 

imarTeba. „gavrilovis Rame- 

ze” pasuxismgeblobas axalgazrdebi da ara mxolod isini, 

aqciis monawileebi, aseve opoziciuri politikuri speqtri 

swored xelisuflebasa da Ss ministrs akisrebs. 

domas waiyvanda, is prezidentis 

administraciaSi iyo stumrad 

da yvelam viciT, rom iq 

saprotesto mitingic ki gaimarTa. 

amis miuxedavad, baton gaxarias 

utifroba hyofnis Tqvas, 

rom opozicias ar hqonia 

protesti gavrilovis vizitTan 

dakavSirebiT. Tavad gavrilovi 

saubrobda, rom zaqaria qucnaSvili 

2 wlis ganmavlobaSi exveweboda 

saqarTveloSi Camosvlas 

da am SemTxvevaSi ra SuaSia, 

aprotestebs Tu ara opozicia 

amas? rodesac xar saxelmwifo 

da pasuxs ageb am movlenebze, 

gadawyvetilebas Tavad 

iReb da gadawyvetileba imis 

Sesaxeb, rom gavrilovi CaesvaT 

spikeris savarZelSi, iyo mcdari 

da damamcirebeli qarTuli 

sazogadoebisTvis, swored 

amitom dadga es Sedegi. 

_ politikuri speqtrisa da 

sazogadoebis garkveuli nawi- 

lis azriT, gavrilovis viziti 

erTgvari testi iyo qarTuli 

sazogadoebisTvis. ramdenad 

iziarebT am pozicias? rogor 

fiqrobT, mmarTvel gunds 

hqonda Tu ara saTanadod 

gaazrebuli, ra riskebTan iyo 

es yvelaferi dakavSirebuli? 

_ maT aseTi molodinebi rom 

hqonodaT, albaT, amas ar gaakeTebdnen, 

ara imis gamo, rom 

maT es araswori hgoniaT, aramed 

imis gamo, rom moeridebodnen 

movlenebis eskalacias, magram 

politika, romelsac biZina 

ivaniSvili awarmoebs, absoluturad 

mimarTulia imisken, 

rom saqarTvelo bolomde Seaguon 

ruseTis okupacias da ruseTis 

gavlenebi rac SeiZleba 

gafarTovdes saqarTveloSi. 

SegaxsenebT, rom pirvelive 

dReebidan biZina ivaniSvili ambobda, 

rom saqarTvelo ar unda 

iyos problemuri sakiTxi da 

saerTaSoriso politikur asparezze 

saqarTvelos sakiTxi 

ar unda ganixilebodes. mTeli 

politika swored amisken iyo 

mimarTuli da „qarTuli ocnebis” 

yvela qmedeba amas emsaxureboda, 

rom saqarTvelo saerTa- 

Soriso forumebze dRis wesrigidan 

mTlianad amovardniliyo. 

amas „qarTulma ocnebam” 

miaRwia kidevac. SegaxsenebT, 

rom 2012 wlis mowvevis parlamentSi, 

pirvelive kanoni, romelic 

Seitanes, iyo antisaokupacio. 

am kanonis gadaxedva undodaT. 

rom ara opoziciis Zalian 

didi protesti, amas biZina 

ivaniSvili moaxerxebda. aseve 

SegaxsenebT, rom saqarTvelos 

parlamentSi Riad sxedan prorusuli 

partiebi da rac mTavaria, 

am prorusuli partiebis 

gaZlierebasa da dafinansebas 

biZina ivaniSvili uwyobs xels. 

„qarTuli ocneba” da es prorusuli 

partiebi, praqtikulad, 

erTi da igive Zala arian. 

magaliTad, Cven gvaxsovs, rom 

irma inaSvili mxars uWerda 

salome zurabiSvilis gaprezidentebas. 

Sesabamisad, is, rom 

gavrilovi moiyvanes da spikeris 

skamze dasves, es iyo ubralod 

logikuri gagrZeleba im 

politikisa, romelsac „qarTuli 

ocneba” misdevs. ver mozomes, 

rom am faqts mTeli qarTuli 

sazogadoeba gaaprotestebda. 

egonaT, sazogadoeba am okupacias 

Seguebuli iyo da Zalian 

kargia, rom es faqti yvela 

qarTvelma did gamowvevad miiRo 

da CaTvala, rom amaze 

Zalian xmamaRla unda gamoeTqva 

protesti. 

_ Tqven axseneT prorusuli 

partiebi da, maT Soris, irma 

inaSvilis partia. mas Semdeg, 

rac Tqven da saparlamento 

opoziciis warmomadgenelma 

sxdomaTa darbazSi gaapro- 

testeT gavrilovis saqcieli, 

amas „patriotTa aliansis” 

deputat ada marSanias gaRizianeba 

moyva, man CvenTan inter- 

viuSi aRniSna, rom realurad 

skams gavrilovs ar uTavisu- 

flebda da mediam informacia 

arasworad gaaSuqa. ra xdebo- 

`ra Tqma unda, opozicias aqvs Tavisi 

pasuxismgebloba, magram rodesac Sen 

imunitetis gareSe toveb parlamentis wevrs, 

rac Zalian mdabio saqcieli iyo Cemi kolega 

parlamentis wevrebis mxridan, am pirobebSi 

ki gamokiTxvazec ar ibareben Ss ministrs, es 

aris ormagi standarti, es aris SerCeviTi 

samarTali da sul erTia, ra droc ar unda 

gavides, gaxarias am kiTxvebze aucileblad 

mouwevs pasuxebis gacema~ 

`politika, 

romelsac biZina 

ivaniSvili 

awarmoebs, 

absoluturad 

mimarTulia 

imisken, rom 

saqarTvelo 

bolomde 

Seaguon ruseTis 

okupacias~ 

da im dRes da Tqven rogor 

dainaxeT, ram gaaRiziana „pa- 

triotTa aliansis” wevrebi? 

_ namdvilad ver getyviT, 

rom darbazSi rame sxva xdeboda, 

rac SeiZleboda ar gamoCeniliyo 

ekranidan. ekranze rogorc 

Canda, zustad ise viTardeboda 

movlenebi da araferi ar 

xdeboda damatebiT da kuluarulad. 

darbazSi pirvelebi 

elene xoStaria da giorgi kandelaki 

Sevidnen, zustad im momentSi, 

rodesac Sesveneba iyo 

gamocxadebuli. Sesveneba romc 

ar yofiliyo, Cven mainc aucileblad 

SevidodiT. Sesvlis 

Semdeg ki giorgi kandelakma 

Tqva, rom is aRar miscemda uflebas 

gavrilovs, es skami daekavebina, 

rasac ada marSanias 

fizikuri protesti moyva. me ar 

vici Semdeg, man rogori ganmartebebi 

gaakeTa, magram is xelis 

SeSlas cdilobda. rodesac 

yvelasTvis naTeli gaxda, 

rom Cven marTla ar davuSvebdiT 

gavrilovis darbazSi Semosvlas 

da mis mier parlamentis 

Tavmjdomaris savarZlis 

dakavebas, swored am dros darbazSi 

movida fraqcia „qarTuli 

ocnebis” Tavmjdomare mamuka 

mdinaraZe, romelmac Tqva, 

rom is movida pirdapir irakli 

kobaxiZis davalebiT. man 

gvkiTxa, ra iyo Cveni moTxovna. 

Cven mas naTlad ganvucxadeT, 

rom es asambleis sxdoma saer- 

Tod unda gadadebuliyo da Ca- 

Sliliyo, radgan mas rusi deputatebi 

eswrebodnen. es iyo is, 

rac darbazSi xdeboda, razedac 

Semdeg reagireba hqondaT 

da asambleis prezidentmac gaakeTa 

gancxadeba, rom es sxdoma 

gadaido. 

_ „gavrilovis Rameze” xelisufleba 

opoziciis pasux- 

ismgeblobis sakiTxs ayenebs, 

isini amboben, rom parlamentSi 

SeWris mcdeloba iyo. amasTan 

dakavSirebiT nika melias bra- 

li aqvs wayenebuli, aseve gamo- 

kiTxvaze iyo Tqveni partiis 

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gaxariam xeli mohkida, Caaflava~ 

wevri gigi ugulava. ras emsax- 

ureba xelisuflebis es nabiji 

da ramdenad adekvaturad mo- 

qmedebda im Rames opozicia? 

_ xelisuleba cdilobs, pasuxismgebloba 

gadaitanos da 

isrebi opoziciisken mimarTos. 

es, ra Tqma unda, aseve didi utifrobaa, 

radgan ramdenime 

dRis win kadrebi gavrcelda, 

romelic prokuraturam Tavad 

misca advokatebs, sadac naTlad 

Cans, rom gaxarias mxridan 

SemoTavazeba iyo molaparakebaze. 

amis Taobaze informacias 

nika melia awvdida momitingeebs 

da swored maSin daiwyo 

srola, anu darbeva daiwyo ma- 

Sin, roca amis aranairi saWiroeba 

ar arsebobda. Tu arsebobs 

parlamentSi SeWris safrTxe an 

Tu policias esxmian Tavs, aseT 

viTarebaSi, ra Tqma unda, policiam 

unda imoqmedos da amas 

eWvqveS aravin ayenebs, magram me 

mainteresebs, ra safrTxes warmoadgendnen 

is 17-18 wlis 

gogo-biWebi, romlebmac Tvalebi 

dakarges? es kiTxva arsebobs 

gaxarias mimarT da am kiTxvas 

gaxaria ver gaeqceva, rac ar 

unda axal-axali tyuilebi moigonos. 

ra Tqma unda, opozicias 

aqvs Tavisi pasuxismgebloba, 

magram rodesac Sen imunitetis 

gareSe toveb parlamentis 

wevrs, rac Zalian mdabio saqcieli 

iyo Cemi kolega parlamentis 

wevrebis mxridan, am pirobebSi 

ki gamokiTxvazec ar ibareben 

Ss ministrs, es aris ormagi 

standarti, es aris SerCeviTi 

samarTali da sul erTia, 

ra droc ar unda gavides, gaxarias 

am kiTxvebze aucileblad 

mouwevs pasuxebis gacema. 

_ Ss ministri gaxaria ambobs, 

rom misTvis yvelaze martivi 

am SemTxvevaSi Tanamdebo- 

bidan gadadgomaa, rom is iRebs 

pasuxismgeblobas da swored 

amitom rCeba ministris pos- 

tze. rogor fiqrobT, ramdenad 

SeiZleba es iyos argumen- 

ti imisa, rom gaxaria dRemde 

Ss ministrad rCeba da ratom 

ar iRebs biZina ivaniSvili Tanamdebobidan 

misi gadayeneb- 

is gadawyvetilebas? 

_ es aris Cveulebrivi, demagogiuri 

gancxadebebi. gadadges 

gaxaria da am „upasuxismgeblobas” 

sazogadoeba ramenairad 

apatiebs, ra Tqma unda, gaxarias 

arc aravin ekiTxeba, gadadgeba 

Tu ara. araformaluri 

mmarTvelobis pirobebSi arc 

erTi Tanamdebobis piri Tavis- 

Tavad arafers warmoadgens, 

Sesabamisad, gaxaria verc gadadgomasTan 

dakavSirebiT miiRebs 

gadawyvetilebas, radgan 

mas aseTi gadawyvetilebebis 

miRebis ufleba biZina ivaniSvilisgan 

ar gaaCnia. mgonia, rom 

gaxarias aucileblad mouwevs 

wasvla, ubralod, biZina ivaniSvils 

ar unda, rom es gadawyvetileba 

aqciebis fonze miiRos. 

is fiqrobs, rom es sisusted 

`gadadges gaxaria da am ùpasuxismgeblobas~ sazogadoeba ramenairad 

apatiebs, ra Tqma unda, gaxarias arc aravin ekiTxeba, gadadgeba Tu ara. 

araformaluri mmarTvelobis pirobebSi arc erTi Tanamdebobis piri 

TavisTavad arafers warmoadgens, Sesabamisad, gaxaria verc gadadgomasTan 

dakavSirebiT miiRebs gadawyvetilebas, radgan mas aseTi gadawyvetilebebis 

miRebis ufleba biZina ivaniSvilisgan ar gaaCnia~ 

gamoCndeba, Tumca es ar aris 

swori saqcieli. rodesac sazogadoeba 

ministrs eZaxis jalaTs, 

damrbevs, rodesac saubaria 

adamianze, romlis brZanebiTac 

axalgazrdebma Tvalebi 

dakarges, aseTi ministris 

gadayeneba maRali pasuxismgeblobaa 

da ara sisustis gamovlineba. 

kidev erTxel minda vur- 

Cio biZina ivaniSvils, rom man 

es gadawyvetileba rac SeiZleba 

swrafad miiRos. saboloo 

N24 (285) 16.07-22.07.2019 w. 

jamSi, mas mouwevs am gadawyvetilebis 

miReba, ubralod, is 

droSi aWianurebs, rasac 

aranairi azri ar aqvs, radgan 

es protesti ver mineldeba. 

_ mizezi, ris gamoc ivaniS- 

vili gaxarias gadayenebis 

Sesaxeb gadawyvetilebas ar iRebs, 

mxolod es ggoniaT? arsebobs 

varaudebi, rom gaxarias 

gadayeneba kalaZis gaZli- 

erebas gamoiwvevs da amitomac 

ikavebs Tavs ivaniSvili. ramde- 

`dRes, roca gaxaria hyavT Ss ministri, es 

Zalian mZime lodia mTavrobis kiserze da 

`qarTuli ocnebisTvis~ amaSi kargi namdvilad 

araferia. gaxariaTi misvla 2020 wlis 

saparlamento arCevnebamde `qarTul ocnebas~ 

namdvilad ar waadgeba~ 

nad gaiziarebT am pozicias? 

_ dRes, roca gaxaria hyavT 

Ss ministri, es Zalian mZime 

lodia mTavrobis kiserze da 

„qarTuli ocnebisTvis” amaSi 

kargi namdvilad araferia. gaxariaTi 

misvla 2020 wlis saparlamento 

arCevnebamde „qarTul 

ocnebas” namdvilad ar waadgeba. 

ar veTanxmebi mosazrebas, 

rom gaxaria Seucvleli ministria 

da raime sargebloba moaqvs 

biZina ivaniSvilisTvis. absoluturad 

yvela gaxmaurebuli 

saqme, rac ar unda CamovTvalo, 

es iyo „basianSi” Sevardna, pankisSi 

policiisa da specrazmis 

Seyvana, Tu nebismieri sxva saqme, 

romelsac gaxariam xeli 

mohkida, Caaflava. Sesabamisad, 

is ar aris Seucvleli. 

_ Cven vxedavT, rom gaxar- 

ias gadadgomis moTxovniT 

ukve sam kviraze metia, aqciebi 

mimdinareobs da es saprotesto 

muxti ar Camqrala. xe- 

lisuflebis mxridan Tavidanve 

iyo aqciebis diskreditaciis 

mcdeloba, rom am aqciebis mi- 

Rma politikuri partiebi idgnen, 

Tavis mxriv, aqciebis or- 

ganizatorebi ambobdnen, rom 

maT ar sWirdebodaT politikuri 

partiebi da, SeiZleba iTqvas, 

axalgazrduli protestiT 

moinaTla aqciebi. ramde- 

nad dazaralda es saprotesto 

muxti imiT, rom politikuri 

partiebi organizatorebi ar 

iyvnen? 

_ am aqciebis organizatorebi 

politikuri partiebi ar 

arian, maT Soris, arc Cven varT 

organizatorebi. am aqciis organizatorebi 

axalgazrdebis 

jgufia, romelic, ubralod, 

SesaZloa, raRac koordinacia- 

Si aris politikosebTan, magaliTad, 

vgulisxmob imas, rom rodesac 

SabaTobiT msvleloba imarTeba, 

Cven Riad movuwodebT 

yvela Cvens mxardamWers, monaw- 

ileoba miiRos am msvlelobeb- 

Si, magram organizatorebi axalgazrdebi 

arian. rac Seexeba 

aqciebis diskreditacias, ra 

Tqma unda, es aris susis ocneba 

da saerTo araferi aqvs realobasTan. 

rac ar unda zemoT 

aafrinon telekompania „imedis” 

droni, rom rac SeiZleba cota 

adamiani gamoCndes an rac ar 

unda meti boti Seusion romelime 

organizatoris „vols” 

(piradi gverdi socialur qselSi) 

da daiwyon misi gaSaveba, 

am yvelafers aucileblad eqneba 

ukuCveneba da es ukuCveneba 

eqneba biZina ivaniSvilisTvis, 

radgan mas ar esmis, rom adamianebi 

gabrazebulebi arian masze 

da aRar apireben, yvelaferi 

„gautaron” da apation. amitom 

ar mgonia, rom Tavebis daTvla, 

Tu ramdeni adamiani movida aqciaze, 

swori iyo, es strategiuli 

Secdomaa. adamianebis gabrazeba 

imiT ar isazRvreba, Tu 

ramdeni kaci dgas rusTavelze. 

gaxarias gadayenebiT am krizisis 

daZlevas Tu moaxerxeben, 

darwmunebuli var, momdevno 

krizisi kidev ufro mZime iqneba 

biZina ivaniSvilisTvis. 

_ am aqciebis mTavar monapovrad 

2020 wels proporci- 

ul sistemaze gadasvla miiCneva, 

Tumca Cven vnaxeT, rom amas gan- 

sakuTrebiT 

„nacionaluri 

moZraobis” mxridan moyva uar- 

yofiTi reaqcia. maT ar moswonT 

bunebrivi barieri da zogi amas 

ivaniSvilis morig xrikadac 

ganixilavs. rogoria Tqveni 

pozicia amasTan dakavSirebiT? 

ramdenad mzad aris politikuri 

speqtri imisTvis, rom warmatebiT 

ganxorcieldes proporci- 

ul sistemaze gadasvla? 

_ rac Seexeba proporciul 

sistemaze gadasvlas, es Zalian 

wingadadgmuli nabijia, rac im 

protestis Sedegia, romelic 

mkveTrad gamoxatuli iyo Cveni 

qveynis yvela did qalaqsa da 

gansakuTrebiT rusTavelze. ra 

Tqma unda, sxva SemTxvevaSi ivaniSvili 

verafriT Seeleoda 

fulis tomrebs, anu maJoritarebs. 

mas esmis, rom proporciuli 

arCevnebis SemTxvevaSi ara- 

Tu sakonstitucio umravlesobis 

miReba, aramed ubralod 

umravlesobis miRebac ki mxolod 

ocneba SeiZleba iyos. ra 

Tqma unda, Cven ar mogvwons, 

rom es arCevnebi nulovani barieriT 

Catardeba da vaWrobis 

meti asparezi aqvs ivaniSvils, 

magram imis miuxedavad, rom 

„evropul saqarTvelos” es ar 

moswons, Cven Riad gvaqvs naTqvami 

da gacxadebuli, rom proporciul 

sistemaze gadasvla 

qarTul politikaSi garRvevaa 

da arc erT SemTxvevaSi ar davuSvebT, 

rom amas xeli SeeSalos. 

Tundac ar mogvwondes nulovani 

barieri, amis miuxedavad, 

Cven gacxadebuli gvaqvs, 

rom aucileblad xmas mivcemT 

am cvlilebas. 

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555 42 42 90 

„qronika+~-is kiTxvebs pa- 

suxobs politikuri partia 

„girCis” erT erTi lideri _ 

iago xviCia: 

_ batono iago, ramdenime 

dRis win eleqtoratis asakis 

qveda zRvris dawevaze isaub- 

reT. gamoxvediT iniciativiT, 

rom moqalaqeebs arCevnebSi 

xmis micemis ufleba 16 wlidan 

hqondeT. ratom 16 wlidan da, 

zogadad, ras isaxavs miznad es 

iniciativa? 

_ asakis dawevis ornairi iniciativiT 

gamovediT: erTi iyo 

aqtiuri saarCevno xmis uflebis 

asakis daweviT, _ adamianebs 

18 wlidan SeuZliaT xmis micema 

da minimum 16 wlidan rom 

SeeZloT; da meore: pralamentis 

wevrad adamiani SeiZleba 

arCeul iqnas 25 wlidan da minimum 

es asaki rom davwioT, ramdenic 

iyo, iqamde _ 21 wlamde. 

es monapovari _ proporciuli 

arCevnebi _ ZiriTadad ukavSirdeba 

axalgazrdebs, romlebic 

dRemde dganan rusTavelze. ma- 

Ti didi nawili 25 wlamde ar 

aris, zogierTs ki 18 welic ar 

Sesrulebia. Cemi azriT, es adamianebi 

politikur procesSi 

monawileoben da es aris Sansi 

am qveynisTvis, rom axali politikuri 

jgufi daibados. Tu 

Cven kanonmdeblobiT vuzRudavT 

axalgazrdebs, rom Tavian- 

Ti Tanatolebi an kolegebi 

airCion, Cemi azriT, esec usamarTlobaa 

axalgazrda Taobas- 

Tan. aqedan gamomdinare, migvaCnia, 

rom orive tipis saarCevno 

asakamde daweviT gavaneitraloT 

politikuri speqtri, romelic 

bolo 50 wlis ganmavlobaSi 

Caketilia axalgazrdebisTvis. 

proporciuli arCevnebis 

pirobebSi ki amas kidev calke 

upiratesoba aqvs _ axalgazrdaTa 

jgufs ukve SeuZlia hyavdes 

Tavisi kandidati da megobari 

parlamentSi. am Sansis 

xelidan gaSveba araswori iqneboda 

axalgazrdebis winaSe da 

swored amitom davayeneT aseTi 

iniciativa, romelic sakmaod 

logikurad migvaCnia am realobaSi. 

_ rom ara es aqciebi da ax- 

algazrdebis aseTi aqtiuroba, 

gagiCndebodaT msgavsi inicia- 

tiva? 

_ es iniciativa sul gvqonda. 

igive kiTxva rom dagesvaT 

sami wlis win, analogiurad gipasuxebdiT. 

ubralod, adekvaturi 

ar iqneboda amis dayeneba 

iseT dros, rodesac Sesabamisi 

axsna ar gaqvs. arasdros miTqvams, 

rom 21 wlis asakSi ar Sei- 

Zleba parlamentis wevris arCeva. 

geniosi rom gvyavdes, asakis 

gamo ar unda avirCioT saqarTvelos 

parlamentSi? es xom absurdia. 

wamoidgineT, adamians 

ar sTxoven skolis atestatsac 

ki, rom parlamentis wevri 

gaxdes, anu mas araferi moeTxoveba, 

radgan xalxi irCevs mas. 

25-wliani barieris dadgena 

araseriozulia. xalxs vinc 

surs, is unda airCios, ramdeni 

wlisac ar unda iyos igi. 

_ Tumca ramdenad seriozu- 

lad migaCniaT es yvelaferi? 

pirobiTad davarqvaT bavSvi, 

romelic zis parlamentSi, 

romelsac ar gaaCnia Sesaferi- 

si ganaTleba da, Sesabamisad, 

gamocdileba? 

_ ar mgonia, rom asaki iyos 

gadamwyveti upiratesoba vinmesTvis, 

vinc parlamentSi zis. 

vinc gonieria, is gonieria axalgazrda 

asakSic. maT SeiZleba 

akliaT raRac gamocdileba, 

magram goniereba, zogadad, imas 

niSnavs, rom es adamiani Tavis 

gamoucdelobas sxva raRaciT 

abalansebs. isedac, Tu 14 aTasi 

adamiani mxars uWers viRacis 

yofnas parlamentSi maT warmomadgenlad, 

ra moraluri legitimacia 

arsebobs, rom maT amaze 

uari vuTxraT da paralelur 

reJimSi saqarTvelos parlamentSi 

iseTi xalxi gvyavs, rasac 

dRes vuyurebT. es parlamenti 

rogor SeiZleba, Wkuas aswavlides 

da eubnebodes axalgazrdebs, 

rom jer patarebi 

xarT da swor gadawyvetilebs 

ver miiRebTo?! araseriozulia 

da es, mgoni, esmiT saqarTvelos 

parlamentis wevrebs. sadac 

Sexvedra miwevs, yvelgan vayeneb 

am iniciativas da manam ar davanebeb 

Tavs, sanam misi gatanis 

Sansi iqneba. axalgazrdebs rom 

ndoba gamovucxadoT, amaze ukeTess 

verafers izams saqarTvelos 

am mowvevis parlamenti. 

postsabWoTa periodSi vendobiT 

komunizmgamovlil adami- 

`girCs~ awyobs is, 

`proporciuli 

arCevnebi axal 

politikur 

kulturas 

amkvidrebs~ 

anebs da isini gvyavdes parlamentis 

wevrebad, bevrad usamarTloa, 

vidre vendobodeT adamianebs, 

romlebic daibadnen 

komunizmis wasvlis Semdeg damoukidebel 

saqarTveloSi. 

_ dameTanxmebiT, rom es yve- 

laferi, garkveulwilad, did 

momzadebas saWiroebs, rom sab- 

olood parlamentSi isxdnen 

da qveynis beds wyvetdnen 21 

wlis adamianebi. 

_ 21 wlis asakSi giJebi viyaviT 

da qveyanas davRupavdiT? me 

ase ar mgonia. miT umetes, 

rodesac viciT, rom aseTi Sansia. 

mere erT dReSi xom ar xdebi 

parlamentis wevri, amisTvis 

emzadebi, Semdeg proporciuli 

arCevnebis dros giwevs politikosoba 

raRac TvalsazrisiT 

da aq aris saSualebis micema, 

`sapatriarqos 

mTavari amocanaa 

sakuTari istoriis 

gaazreba awmyoSi~ 

Torem is ki ara, rom yvela 21 

wlis asakis mqone piri parlamentis 

wevri unda iyos. ubralod, 

barieri ar unda arsebobdes 

normaluri adamianebisTvis, 

Torem aranormaluri Tu 

xar, arc 21 wlis, arc 31-is da 

arc 61 wlis asakis unda avir- 

CioT. 

_ dRevandel mocemulobas 

Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, saqarTvelo 

ramdenad mzadaa eqsper- 

imentebisTvis? 

_ mariam sajaia 21 wlis iyo 

parlamentSi, magram ra gaafu- 

Wa am adamianma iq yofniT? sxva 

sakiTxia, vis moswons misi gamosvlebi 

da vis _ ara. saqarTveloSi 

yofilan 25 wlamde asakis 

parlamentis wevrebi: gia baramiZe 

iyo aseTi, Tu ar vcdebi, 

Tavis droze. Cven yvelaferi 

unda gavakeToT desabWoTakav- 

SirizaciisTvis. bevri iseTi 

eqsperimenti unda CavataroT, 

romelic axalgazrdebze fsonis 

dadebas moicavs. 

_ Tqven TqviT, rom ramdenime 

weli am iniciativaze vfi- 

qrobdiTo, Tumca dRevandeli 

mocemulobidan gamomdinare, 

swored axla wamoayeneT es ini- 

ciativa. iqidan gamomdinarec 

xom ar fiqrobT amas, rom 

„girCs” swored patara asakis 

mxardamWerebi hyavs? 

_ am sakiTxs ase SevxedoT: 

axalgazrdebi, samwuxarod, ar 

dadian arCevnebze, maT Soris, 

Cveni mxardaWerebis ZiriTadi 

nawili 18 wlis zemoT aris. es 

adamianebi ar arian midrekilebi 

arCevnebze sasiarulod, maT 

Soris, „girCis” mxardamWerebis 

didi nawili saerTod ar misula 

arCevnebze. amitom ar mgonia, 

didad rame Secvalos aman 

„girCisTvis”, magram, nebismier 

SemTxvevaSi, es „girCsac” awyobs, 

cxadia. ubralod, Tu 

„girCs” awyobs rame marTebuli, 

amis gamo masze uari ar unda 

vTqvaT. Tqven SegiZliaT, sxva 

rame miTxraT, rac „girCs” ar 

awyobs, magram sworia da me 

amasac didi siamovnebiT davu- 

Wer mxars. „girCs” awyobs is, 

rac qveynisTvis kargia. aseTi 

partia varT da vcdilobT, rom 

sul aseTi politika gvqondes. 

verc erT Cvens iniciativaze 

ver gvetyviT, romelic „girCs” 

awyobs da qveyanas _ ara. 

_ proporciul saarCevno 

sistemaze minda gkiTxoT, ram- 

denad mniSvnelovania msgavsi 

modeli Cveni qveynisTvis, mis 

dadebiT da uaryofiT mxaree- 

bze rom isaubroT. bevri 

politikosisTvis igi miuRebe- 

li aRmoCnda. 

_ proporciuli sistemis ar- 

Cevnebs uaryofiTi araferi 

aqvs da vinc amas ambobs, am sistemis 

mowinaaRmdegea. eseni arian 

ZiriTadad didi partiebi, 

radgan maT ar awyobT propor- 

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rac qveynisTvis kargia~ 

ciuli, radgan met konkurencias 

aCens. zogadad adamianebisTvis 

bevri moTamaSis Semosvla 

bazarze momgebiania, es swori 

poziciaa. proporciuli ar- 

Cevnebi kargia axali politikuri 

kulturis dasamkvidreblad. 

_ rogoria „girCis” gegmebi 

2020 wlis saparlamento arCe- 

vnebze. rogor da ra formiT 

apirebT brZolas? 

_ arCevnebi CvenTvis Cveulebrivi 

movlenaa, Torem kampaniaSi 

sul varT CarTulebi da 

amisTvis gansakuTrebulad ar 

vemzadebiT. yoveldRiurobis- 

Tvis vemzadebiT da yoveldRiurad 

vsaubrobT problemebze. 

ubralod am proporciulma ar- 

Cevnebma axali SesaZleblobebi 

gaaCina, meti daintereseba gamoiwvia 

sxvadasxva adamianSi _ 

ukve xvdebian, rom „girCi” aucileblad 

moxvdeba parlamentSi, 

Sesabamisad, im partiasTan TanamSromloba, 

vinc parlamentSi 

moxvdeba, ufro mimzidvelia. 

amitom, am TvalsazrisiT, ori 

didi partiis gamoklebiT es 

cvlileba awyobdaT, Sesabamisad, 

Cvenc gvawyobda da ar varT 

ukmayofiloebi. imisTvis vemzadebiT, 

rom Rirseulad warvdgeT 

2020 wlis saparlamento 

arCevnebze. gvinda, rom Cven 

gareSe ar Caiaros politikurma 

procesebma da yvelas dasWirdes 

CvenTan TanamSromloba, 

rom Cven adamianebis Tavisuflebis 

TvalsazrisiT SevZloT 

„vaWroba”, anu vinc SemogvTavazebs 

ukeTes pirobas adamianis 

TavisuflebisTvis, im winadadebas 

daveTanxmoT da aseve gavlena 

viqonioT politikur procesebze. 

_ dRevandeli realobiT Tu 

vimsjelebT, qveyanaSi politikuri 

da ekonomikuri kriz- 

isia, razedac xelisufleba 

dums. Tqven sad xedavT gamo- 

savals? 

_ politikuri krizisi ganapiroba 

erTi partiis xelSi sakonstitucio 

umravlesobam. 

zogadad ase icis xolme sakonstitucio 

umravlesobam: SecdomaSi 

Sehyavxar, ggonia, rom 

yvelaferi Sens xelSia, aravis 

Wkuis swavleba ar gWirdeba, 

yvelafers damoukideblad mar- 

Tav da flob, magram, saboloo 

jamSi, Sedegi dRevandeli realobaa. 

miuxedavad imisa, rom 

48%-iani mxardaWera miiRe da 

amiT xmebis 80% moipove, es realurad 

ar aris is 80% da Sens 

mowinaaRmdeges Zala Seswevs, 

rom politikuri krizisi gamoiwvios. 

politikur kriziss Tan 

axlavs ekonomikuri krizisic, 

amas plus ruseTi, romelic 

Cveni erT-erTi ZiriTadi sava- 

Wro partnioria, misgan gamoSvebuli 

usiamovno mesijebi da 

raRac TvalsazrisiT turiste- 

àxalgazrdebs rom ndoba gamovucxadoT, amaze ukeTess 

verafers izams saqarTvelos am mowvevis parlamenti. 

postsabWoTa periodSi vendobiT komunizmgamovlil adamianebs 

da isini gvyavdes parlamentis wevrebad, bevrad usamarTloa, 

vidre vendobodeT adamianebs, romlebic daibadnen komunizmis 

wasvlis Semdeg damoukidebel saqarTveloSi.~ 

bis nakleboba uaryofiTad aisaxeba... 

Tumca imitom, rom rusi 

turistebi davkargeT da amis 

gamo cxovrebis gagrZelebas 

azri ar aqvs, araseriozulia. 

ar mjera, roca dasveneba gvin- 

da romelime qveyanaSi, saku- 

Tari qveynis prezidentis gadawyvetilebas 

vugdebT yurs. es 

frenebic aRdgeba droTa ganmavlobaSi. 

mTavaria, mkafio 

damokidebuleba gvqondes okupanti 

ruseTis winaaRmdeg, rac, 

mgoni, Zalian gasagebad da sworad 

vaCveneT. aman gamoiwvia 

aseTi gaRizianeba. aseTi ryevebi 

yovelTvis gveqneba, magram 

unda gvesmodes, rom es aris 

`proporciulma arCevnebma axali SesaZleblobebi gaaCina, meti 

daintereseba gamoiwvia sxvadasxva adamianSi - ukve xvdebian, rom `girCi~ 

aucileblad moxvdeba parlamentSi, Sesabamisad, im partiasTan 

TanamSromloba, vinc parlamentSi moxvdeba, ufro mimzidvelia. amitom, 

am TvalsazrisiT, ori didi partiis gamoklebiT es cvlileba awyobdaT, 

Sesabamisad, Cvenc gvawyobda da ar varT ukmayofiloebi. imisTvis 

vemzadebiT, rom Rirseulad warvdgeT 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebze. 

gvinda, rom Cven gareSe ar Caiaros politikurma procesebma da yvelas 

dasWirdes CvenTan TanamSromloba, rom Cven adamianebis Tavisuflebis 

TvalsazrisiT SevZloT `vaWroba~, anu vinc SemogvTavazebs ukeTes pirobas 

adamianis TavisuflebisTvis, im winadadebas daveTanxmoT da aseve gavlena 

viqonioT politikur procesebze~ 

Tavisuflebis fasi. 

_ Tqven sapatriarqosTan 

gqondaT gamosvlebi da zura 

jafariZem ganacxada, rom 

dRevandel movlenebSi damna- 

Savea ara mxolod politikuri 

speqtri, aramed sapatriarqoc. 

rogor fiqrobT, ra TamaSs 

TamaSobs da ra roli unda 

daikavos am SemTxvevaSi sapa- 

triarqom? 

_ sapatriarqom ukve iTamaSa 

roli, radgan yvelaze sawyeni 

is aris, rom gavrilovi maTi 

stumaric iyo da maTi locvakurTxeviT 

Camovida saqarTveloSi. 

amitom Cven pirveli 

aqcia davgegmeT saqarTvelos 

sapatriarqosTan da mere SevuerTdiT 

aqcias parlamentis 

win. migvaCnia, rom marto mTavrobis 

brali ar aris is, rac 

moxda. unda gvesmodes, rom saqarTvelos 

sapatriarqoc igive 

azrze iyo da igive azrze aris 

dResac. amitom unda moviTxovoT 

lustracia sapatriarqoSi, 

_ vin gvelaparakeba sapatriarqos 

saxeliT? xom ar imarTeba 

es xalxi ruseTidan? da, zogadad, 

rogor moxda, rom bolo 

40 wlis ganmavlobaSi saerTod 

veraferi gavigeT, ra xdeboda 

sabWoTa kavSirSi sapatriarqosa 

da sabWoTa xelisuflebas 

Soris? nuTu, maT Soris aranairi 

TanamSromloba ar iyo? amasTan 

dakavSirebiT qarTveli 

xalxi axsna-ganmartebas ar imsaxurebs? 

sanam amas ar gavakeTebT, 

yovelTvis gveqneba is 

riski, rom ar gvecodineba, RmerTis 

saxeliT raze gvelaparakebian. 

amaze mets sapatriarqo 

verafers izams, isaubros mxolod 

sakuTar Tavsa da istoriaze. 

sapatriarqos mTavari 

amocanaa sakuTari istoriis 

gaazreba awmyoSi. 

_ yvelas gvaxsovs, rom prostituciis 

legalizebas iTxovdiT 

da „girCis” ofisSi saro- 

skipo „pioneri” gaxseniT. kidev 

funqcionirebs es saroskipo 

Tu amiT, erTgvari, mxardaWera 

gamoucxadeT roena xucura- 

uls, igive „mamidas”? 

_ gulwrfelad rom giTxraT, 

arc arasdros funqcionirebda, 

arc yofila Canafiqri, 

rom iq qalebs an kacebs evloT. 

mizani iyo im absurdis Cveneba 

da yuradRebis miqceva, rac roenas 

SemTxvevaSi moxda, anu roca 

sistemas gauxardeba, maSin 

SeuZlia aiyvanos adamiani, waar- 

Tvas fuli an misTvis saWiro 

sxva informacia moipovos da es 

miiCneva, TiTqos, zneobisTvis 

brZolad. am uzneobam miipyro 

Cveni yuradReba, rodesac viTom 

zneobis damcvelebi ebrZvian 

mSromel adamianebs, romlebic 

sakuTari sxeuliT Souloben 

fuls. ai, am SerCeviTobas 

gavusviT xazi da miviqcieT 

sazogadoebis yuradReba. 

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`putini stalinis gegmis 

20 ivnisisa da 8 ivlisis mov- 

koka wereTeli 

lenebze msjelobisas formas 

ufro met yuradRebas vaqcevT, 

vidre Sinaarss da mizanmimarTulad, Segnebulad an sruliad 

gulubryvilod da Seugneblad gverdiT vtovebT politikur 

procesebSi saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli eklesiis mmarTve- 

li instituciis _ sapatriarqos rols. procesebSi eklesiis 

xiluli Tu faruli CarTuloba, metic _ misi mokavSireoba 

saxelmwifoSi destabilizaciis procesSi, raoden savalaloc 

ar unda iyos, ar xdeba romelime politikuri Zalis sasarge- 

blod an sawinaaRmdegod, es xdeba qarTuli saxelmwifos 

winaaRmdeg da warmoadgens rusuli, konkretulad ki putinis 

imperialisturi politikis realizebas. raoden savalaloa, 

rom am procesSi minawileobs is institucia, romelic qarTu- 

li saxelmwifosa da simarTlis sadarajoze unda idges. 

guram lursmanaSvili: 

èklesiisTvis 

aseTi saSineleba 

TviT udides 

amjerad SevecadoT gavcdeT im 

suraTs, romelsac vxedavT da ver 

vaanalizebT da procesebis arss 

CavwvdeT. am Temaze „qronika+~-s 

Teologi guram lursmanaSvili 

esaubra: 

_ 20 ivnissa da mis Semdgom ganviTarebuli 

movlenebis Sefaseb- 

isas TiTqmis yvela cdilobs, 

gverdi auaros Zalian mniSvnelo- 

van sakiTxs _ eklesias da mis 

rols am procesebSi, Tu ufro 

davkonkretdebi, eklesiis politikur 

berketad gamoyenebas. piradad 

CemTvis gasagebia am koni- 

unqturis Sinaarsi, magram rogor 

SeiZleba amocana amoxsna, prob- 

lema gadawyvito, Tu pirobis 

umTavres mocemulobas ugulebelyof, 

es gaugebaria. rogor xe- 

dav am process? 

_ gavrilovis Camosvlam, mar- 

Tlmadideblurma kongresma da, 

zogadad, bolo periodSi ganvi- 

Tarebulma movlenebma bevr rameze 

dagvafiqra. realurad, Cvens geopolitikur 

mdgomareobaSi myofi 

qveynisTvis, maSin rodesac hibriduli 

omisTvis ruseTis mxridan 

araproporciuli Zalaa gamoyenebuli, 

aseT sakiTxebze, gansakuTrebiT 

eklesiis politikur berketad 

gamoyenebaze, saxelmwifos calke 

mimarTuleba da gegma unda 

hqondes. samwuxarod, CvenTan ara- 

Tu saxelmwifo, Jurnalistebic ki 

xSirad ar interesdebian amgvari 

TemebiT, sxva politikuri Zalebi 

ki moWarbebuli farisevlobiT 

gamoirCevian, radgan sWirdebaT eklesia 

da maTi saeklesio procesebSi 

CarTuloba „damloce mamaos” 

formatSi mimdinareobs. vsargeblob 

SemTxveviT da madlobas mogaxsenebT 

am sakiTxebiT dainteresebisa 

da gaSuqebisTvis. 

_ gmadlobT, Tumca vxedav, rom 

viTareba savalaloa da, marTlac, 

Cveni politikuri cxovrebis am 

mniSvnelovan 

mimarTulebaze 

TiTqmis aravin saubrobs. 

_ diax, asea. an saubroben saku- 

Tari politikuri dRis wesrigidan 

gamomdinare. bolo periodSi imanac 

gaiJRera, rom putini „marTlmadidebluri 

vatikanis” aSenebas 

apirebs, rac piradad CemTvis siaxle 

namdvilad araa. zogadad, Cemi 

azri isaa, rom putinis mier warmarTuli 

saeklesio politikisa da 

ara mxolod gasaRebi stalinuri 

mmarTvelobis sistemaSi unda veZeboT. 

_ ras gulisxmob? 

_ stalinsave ekuTvnis „marTlmadidebluri 

vatikanis” idea. masve 

ukavSirdeba „msoflio kreba”, kongresebi, 

„saerTo-marTlmadidebluri” 

Sekreba da a. S., rasac 

ruseTi dResac aqtiurad iyenebs. 

mTeli am ablabudis gaxsna da dalageba 

vcadoT. 

_ vcadoT, friad saintereso 

iqneba, Tundac bevri ramis 

gasaazreblad. 

_ sxva drosac aRgviniSnavs, rom 

stalini iyo is pirovneba, romelmac 

sabWoTa kavSirSi religiuri 

politika Secvala da marqsistuli 

aTeizmidan „stalinuri marTlmadidebloba” 

Seqmna, anu eklesia, 

rogorc rusuli uSiSroebis mier 

momzadebuli da anaforebSi gaxveuli 

agentebis struqtura, romelic 

ara qristes, aramed kremlisturi 

ideologiuri manqanis usityvo 

morCili unda yofiliyo. eklesiisTvis 

aseTi saSineleba TviT 

udides mdevnelebsac ki ar gaukeTebiaT. 

gardamtexi meore msoflio 

omis periodi gamodga. 1943 

wels stalinsa da mitropolit sergi 

starogorodskis Soris konkordati 

gaformda. 

_ amave periods ukavSirdeba 

saqarTvelos eklesiasTan evqa- 

ristiuli kavSiris aRdgena. 

_ diax. stalinuri marTlmadidebloba 

fesvebs idgamda. 1945 

wels omi dasrulda da gamarjvebuli 

stalinisTvis pirveli metoqe 

oficialuri vatikani da, Sesabamisad, 

romis kaTolike eklesia aRmoCnda. 

mizezi martivia, _ stalins 

surda misi gavlenis sfero msoflio 

masStabiT kidev ufro gaezarda, 

rasac ideologiuri wyaro 

sWirdeboda. amaSi metoqed ki romis 

kaTolike eklesia isaxeboda, 

romelsac dasavleT evropasa da 

laTinur amerikaSi milionobiT 

mrevli da morwmune hyavda. realurad, 

Tundac igive marTlmadideblebsa 

da kaTolikeebs Soris dRemde 

arsebobs e. w. Sereuli komisiebi, 

dialogebi, sadac mxareebi argumentirebulad 

msjeloben, kama- 

Toben, SeTanxmebebs aRweven, ver 

Tanxmdebian da a. S. rac jansaRi da 

normaluri procesia. am yvelafrisgan 

ki sruliad gansxvavebuli 

midgoma Camoayaliba stalinma. 

_ anu? 

_ stalinma sam frontze gaSala 

muSaoba: pirveli, _ saSineli si- 

Zulvilis ena kaTolikeebisadmi, 

romis papisa Tu oficialuri vatikanisadmi, 

anu zRaprebze dayrdnobili 

„antiekumenisturi” brZola; 

meore, _ rogorc ruseTs sCvevia, 

ganmaTavisufleblis rolis 

morgeba, e. i. moskovs unda exsna ka- 

mdevnelebsac ki 

ar gaukeTebiaT~ 

Tolike mrevli vatikanisa da romis 

papis „Tavgasulobisgan”; mesame, 

_ mogexsenebaT, es postmsoflio 

omis epoqaa, sadac stalini 

gamarjvebulia. radikalurad sxva 

viTarebaSia italia, Sesabamisad, 

saerTaSoriso sivrceSi rusuli 

mxare vatikanisgan faSistebis mxardaWeraze 

gamudmebiT apelirebs. 

1945 wlis 15 marts karpovi stalins 

saerTaSoriso qristianuli 

kongresis gamarTvis Sesaxeb esaubra, 

romlis mizanic iyo arakaTolike 

eklesiebis vatikanis winaaRmdeg 

gaerTianeba, romelic 

msoflio winamZRvrobaze ayenebda 

pretenziebs. 

_ moica, es karpovi vin iyo? 

_ stalinma rom religiuri 

politikis gadaxedva daiwyo, mere 

Seiqmna eklesiis saqmeTa sabWo, 

romelmac eklesiasTan dakavSirebuli 

yvela saqme Caibara. sabWos 

xelmZRvanelobda uSiSroebis komitetis 

generali karpovi. 

_ gasagebia, gavagrZeloT... 

_ marTlmadideblebis garda 

kongresSi monawileobas miiRebdnen 

anglikanuri, ZvelmorwmuneTa, 

protestantuli da meTodisturi 

eklesiebi evropidan da aSS-dan, 

aseve koptebi egviptidan, somxebic 

da sxva qristianuli aRmsareblobebi. 

am forumze unda „daecvaT” 

kaTolikuri swavleba da daegmoT 

moZRvreba, rom dedamiwaze romis 

papi qristes vikaria, aseve papis 

ucdomelobis dogma da gansakuTrebiT 

nacistebisadmi misi mxardaWera. 

ise, kongresi vaxseneT 

da magaliTad ramdenime wlis win 

TbilisSi zarzeimiT Catarebuli 

„saojaxo kongresic” gamaxsenda, 

sadac evropa-amerikidan mowveuli 

`stalini iyo is pirovneba, romelmac sabWoTa 

kavSirSi religiuri politika Secvala da 

marqsistuli aTeizmidan `stalinuri 

marTlmadidebloba~ Seqmna, anu eklesia, 

rogorc rusuli uSiSroebis mier 

momzadebuli da anaforebSi gaxveuli 

agentebis struqtura, romelic ara qristes, 

aramed kremlisturi ideologiuri manqanis 

usityvo morCili unda yofiliyo~ 

sxvadasxva qristianuli konfensiis 

warmomadgenlebi Tavad „evropa-amerikis” 

zneobrivad dacvas 

cdilobdnen. sxvaTa Soris, am 

dros seminariis studenti viyavi 

da administracia pirdapir mogviwodebda 

studentebs masze daswrebisken. 

Temas davubrundeT: am procesebSi 

ar unda gagvikvirdes anglikanuri 

eklesiis CarTuloba. 

jer 1945 welia, CerCilma ki 1946 

wlis 5 marts fultonSi Tavisi 

cnobili sityva warmoTqva, rac 

civi omis dasawyisad miiCneva. sainteresoa, 

rom garkveuli drois 

Semdeg britanelma diplomatebma 

Sesabamis uwyebebs acnobes, rom 

ruseTis eklesia cdilobda mar- 

Tlmadidebluri samyaros centrad 

gaxdomas, raSic sabWoTa mTavroba 

exmareboda. 

_ magram istorulad cnobilia, 

rom gafrTxilebaTa miuxedavad, 

anglikanurma eklesiam kremlTan 

TanamSromloba mainc gaagr- 

Zela. 

_ swored am TanamSromlobis 

gamoc iyo saqarTvelosa da anglikanuri 

eklesiebis egzomi daaxloeba 

XX saukunis meore naxevar- 

Si. Sedegi vaxseneT da am „stalinuri 

marTlmadideblobis” Sedegia 

is antikaTolikuri isteria, rac 

saqarTveloSi garkveuli jgufebis 

mier mizanmimarTulad vrceldeba. 

is mTlianad cdeba polemikur, 

Teologiur, qristianul, mar- 

Tlmadideblur Tundac adamianur 

formebs da bevrad mZime Sedegebs 

iRebs, rom vatikanSi Turme bavSvebs 

cocxlad swiraven, papi cdilobs, 

qarTveloba da marTlmadidebloba 

wagvarTvas, ekumenizmiT 

undaT Cveni ganadgureba da a. S. 

_ ho, saocari, saSiSi zRapre- 

bi, romelic gonierma adamianma ar 

unda daijeros, Tumca, cxadia, 

rom CvenSi amas bevri ijerebs... 

_ ki, samwuxarod, asea. dasawyis- 

Si „marTlmadidebluri vatikani” 

vaxseneT, romlis mowyobasac putini 

apirebs. es stalinuri ideaa. 

konkretulad, 1947 wlis 14 Tebervals 

karpovma komunisturi partiis 

centralur komitets moaxsena, 

rom moskovis sapatriarqos avtoritetma 

iseT niSnuls miaRwia, 

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realizebas cdilobs~ 

rom msoflio marTlmadideblobis 

lideroba SeuZlia. es iyo 

stalinis proeqtis „marTlmadidebluri 

vatikanis” Seqmnis saboloo 

niSnuli. winadadeba, rom qristianuli 

eklesiebis mier vatikanze 

„Seteva ganxorcielebuliyo”, mTlad 

warmatebuli ver gamodga. 

amis Semdeg ukve „merve msoflio 

krebis” idea wamovida, romelsac 

moskovi marTlmadidebel eklesiaTa 

meTaurad, moskovis patriarqi 

ki eklesiaTa „papad” unda Camoeyalibebina. 

saxeldobr, patriarq 

aleqsisTan mitropolitma nikolaim 

(iaruSeviCi, _ avt.) merve msoflio 

krebis gegma waradgina. winadadebis 

mixedviT, marTlmadidebloba 

7 msoflio krebas eyrdnoba, 

romlidanac momdevno winas 

amowmebs. Tumca romsa da konstantinopols 

Soris arsebulma sqizmam 

es procesebi veRar gaagrZela 

da radgan pirveli romi sqizmaSia, 

meore ki muslimma Turqebma daipyes, 

es saqme ruseTma unda gaagr- 

Zelos da axali kreba Caataros. 

krebas oTxi ZiriTadi mizani eqneboda: 

a) marTlmadidebel eklesiebs 

Soris urTierTobebis damyareba; 

b) ruseTis eklesiis avtoritetis 

sxvebze zemoT dayeneba; g) axali 

stilis kalendarze msjeloba; 

d) kaTolicizmis saSinel eresad, 

xolo vatikanis faSizmis damcvelad 

gamocxadeba. 

_ verafers ityvi adamiani, „mS- 

venieri” miznebi da amocanebia... 

_ wina sakrebo Sexvedra 1947 

wlis oqtombrisTvis CainiSna, sa- 

Wiro iyo imperiis SigniT Sesabamisi 

ideologiuri muSaoba, risTvisac 

sabWoTa manqana dairazma. mag.: 

bulgarul „modern pastirSi” daibeWda 

p. ikonomovis statia merve 

msoflio krebis Sesaxeb, sadac saubari 

iyo, Tu rogori aucilebelia 

krebis gamarTva, rom kaTolikeebi 

da anglikanebi organizaciuli 

mowyobis mxriv win wavidnen, 

marTlmadideblebi ki gaCerebulebi 

arian, radgan ar hyavT winamZRvari 

konstantinopolis dacemis 

Semdeg da es misia ruseTis eklesiam 

unda itvirTos da marTlmadidebloba 

ixsnas. krebisTvis aucilebeli 

iyo Sesabamisi kanonikuri 

muSaoba. ruseTis teritoriaze 

arc maSin da arc imis Semdeg warmatebul 

marTlmadidebel TeologTa 

simravle ar SeiniSneboda. 

amitom patriarqma aleqsim belgradidan 

moskovSi kanonikuri samarTlis 

cnobili profesori, sergi 

troicki moiwvia. patriarqi 

aleqsi marTlmadidebel eklesiebs 

swerda, rom pentarqiis modeli 

XVI saukunis Semdeg unda Seicvalos, 

anu mas Semdeg, rac ruseTis 

eklesia avtokefaliuri gaxda. patriarqi 

aseve aRniSnavda, rom uamravi 

problemaa gadasaWreli da 

mas ar surs, isini martom moagvaros, 

aramed, rogorc saeklesio 

samarTali moiTxovs, da eklesiebTan 

erTad surs maTze msjeloba. 

_ realurad saqmeSi Semohyavda 

sxvebi, raTa Semdgom sakuTari Zl- 

evamosilebisTvis beWedi daesva. 

_ rac Seexeba sxva eklesiaTa 

reaqciebs: kviprosis mTavarepiskoposma 

leontim uaryo mowveva da 

Tqva, rom mxolod konstantinopolis 

patriarqs SeeZlo, amgvari 

kreba Caetarebina. berZnulenovan 

`1945 wels omi dasrulda da gamarjvebuli stalinisTvis pirveli metoqe 

oficialuri vatikani da, Sesabamisad, romis kaTolike eklesia aRmoCnda. 

mizezi martivia, - stalins surda misi gavlenis sfero msoflio masStabiT 

kidev ufro gaezarda, rasac ideologiuri wyaro sWirdeboda. amaSi 

metoqed ki romis kaTolike eklesia isaxeboda, romelsac dasavleT 

evropasa da laTinur amerikaSi milionobiT mrevli da morwmune hyavda~ 

gazeTebSi gaCnda publikaciebi 

„arakanonikur krebaze”, rom realurad 

misi mizani ruseTis politikuri 

miznebis ganxorcieleba 

iyo. berZnuli eklesiebi uars acxadebdnen 

rusebis mier mowyobil 

„msoflio saeklesio krebaze daswrebaze”. 

Sesabamisad, ruseTma axali 

scenari dadga, gaagrZela merve 

msoflio krebis idea, magram 

amas adgilobriv eklesiaTa meTaurebis 

Sexvedrad, kongresad acxadebda. 

vatikanma ganacxada, rom am 

Sexvedras im eklesiis liderebi 

daeswrebodnen, romlebic kremlis 

axlo megobrebi arian. krebaze Casvlaze 

uars acxadebda aleqsandriis 

patriarqi qristefore, yoymanobda 

antioqiis patriarqi aleqsandrec. 

sainteresoa patriarq aleqsi 

mesamis werili aleqsandriis patriarqisadmi. 

mogexsenebaT, aleqsandriis 

sapatriarqo egvipteSi 

mdebareobs. zemoT dasaxelebul 

werils rom diplomatiuri terminologia 

movakloT, martivi mesiji 

ikiTxeba: an Camoxval Seni nebiT, 

an oficialuri kairo Cveni mokavSirea 

da sxvanairad mogiwevs 

Camosvla. Sesabamisad, Camosvla ar 

agcdeba, amitom airCie, romeli 

gziT Camoxval. 

_ anu es Cveulebrivi muqaraa!.. 

_ diax. rac Seexeba antioqiis 

`safrTxe bevrad seriozuli iyo, vidre 

ubralod marTlmadidebeli eklesiis SigniT 

arsebuli dapirispireba. safrTxe eqmneboda 

mTel dasavlur, evropul, amerikul da, 

zogadad, qristianul civilizacias. am udidesi 

gansacdelisgan ki eklesia da, zogadad, 

dasavluri samyaro msoflio patriarqma 

aTenagoram ixsna. kongresi, rogorc vaxseneT, 

1948 wlis 8-18 ivliss gaimarTa, xolo 1948 wlis 

noemberSi aTenagora konstantinopolis 

patriarqad airCies. man wertili dausva ruseTis 

eklesiis ideas, rom msoflio kreba Caetarebina. 

amas dRemde ver patiobs ruseTi aTenagoras da 

aTasgvari ciliswamebiTa da sicruis dabralebiT 

micvalebulsac ki ar asvenebs~ 

sapatriarqos, mogexsenebaT, misi 

centri damaskoSi mdebareobs, isic 

iciT im periodSi ssrk-s ra urTierTobebi 

hqonda axlo aRmosavleTTan, 

Sesabamisad, aRar gagvikvirdeba, 

Tuki gavigebT, rom damaskoSi 

„vizitidan dabrunebuli” 

antioqiis patriarqi cvlis Tavis 

pozicias da Sekrebaze daswrebas 

eTanxmeba. saboloo sityva konstantinopolze 

iyo. karpovma 1947 

wels sabWoTa xelisuflebas sTxova, 

rom 50 000 dolari gamoeyo 

konstantinopolis patriarq maqsimesTvis, 

risi aRebac moskovur 

RonisZiebaze konstantinopolis 

daswrebis dasturi iqneboda. daakvirdiT, 

im periodisTvis ramxela 

Tanxazea saubari. 

_ konstantinopolis pasuxi? 

_ konstantinopolma uaryo es 

winadadeba. 

_ da amis miuxedavad kongresi 

mainc gaimarTa... 

_ kongresi 1948 wlis 8-18 ivliss 

gaimarTa da igi ruseTis eklesiis 

avtokefaliis 500 wlis iubilesac 

moicavda. rusuli avtokefaliis 

500 wlisTavis RonisZiebaze 

Cavidnen konstantinopolis sapatriarqosa 

da saberZneTis eklesiis 

warmomadgenlebi, magram am 

sazeimo RonisZiebaTa gamarTvis 

Semdeg dawyebul saerTo-marTlmadideblur 

krebaSi monawileoba ar 

miuRiaT. moskovSi saerTod ar Cavida 

kviprosisa da ierusalimis eklesiebis 

delegacia. 

sxvaTa Soria, es swored is RonisZiebaa, 

romelSic 1948 wels patriarqi 

kalistrate cincaZe monawileobda. 

am RonisZiebis Semdeg 

ukve bevrad Riad SegviZlia visaubroT 

rusul eklesiologiaze, 

romelic ar cnobs konstantinopolis 

saydris msoflio tituls. 

zogadadac, unda vaRiaroT, rom 

marTlmadideblur samyaroSi sakmaod 

seriozuli eklesiologiuri 

krizisi gvaqvs, rac umetesad imis 

gamoa, rom rusuli ideologiuri 

manqana aqtiurad avrcelebs e. w. 

protestantul eklesiologias, 

romlis mixedviTac, garegnulad 

TiToeuli avtokefaliuri eklesia 

aris yvelasa da yvelafrisgan 

damoukidebeli erTeuli, saerTo 

jamSi ki varT eklesiaTa konfederacia, 

romelsac ar hyavs xelmZRvaneli, 

Tavi. esaa rusuli dsT-s 

saeklesio varianti, sadac saxeze 

gvaqvs damoukidebel saxelmwifo- 

Ta, am SemTxvevaSi, eklesiaTa Tanamegobroba, 

magram am Tanamegobrobis 

kurss gansazRvravs is, visac 

politikurad yvelaze meti Zalaufleba 

aqvs, e. i. moskovi. amgvari 

midgomiT, moskovis eklesia axerxebs, 

rom saerTaSoriso asparezze 

rigi eklesiebisgan ismodes is, rac 

mas surs, eklesiebma boikoti 

gamoucxadon imas, rac mas surs, 

aRiaron an ar aRiaron is, rac mas 

surs da a. S. 

_ mivyveT procesebs... 

_ CAROC-is (religiis saqmeTa 

sabWo, _ avt.) moxsenebis mixedviT, 

RonisZiebas 11 avtokefaliuri eklesiis 

warmomadgeneli eswreboda. 

Seiqmna seriozuli safrTxe, rom 

sadac ruseTma pirvel etapze amdeni 

moaxerxa, Semdeg jerze msoflio 

krebis gamarTvasac SeZlebda 

da marTlmadideblobis administraciuli 

mesaWis pozicias daikavebda. 

safrTxe bevrad seriozuli 

iyo, vidre ubralod marTlmadidebeli 

eklesiis SigniT arsebu- 

li dapirispireba. safrTxe eqmneboda 

mTel dasavlur, evropul, 

amerikul da, zogadad, qristianul 

civilizacias. am udidesi gansacdelisgan 

ki eklesia da, zogadad, 

dasavluri samyaro msoflio 

patriarqma aTenagoram ixsna. kongresi, 

rogorc vaxseneT, 1948 wlis 

8-18 ivliss gaimarTa, xolo 1948 

wlis noemberSi aTenagora konstantinopolis 

patriarqad air- 

Cies. man wertili dausva ruseTis 

eklesiis ideas, rom msoflio kreba 

Caetarebina. amas dRemde ver patiobs 

ruseTi aTenagoras da aTasgvari 

ciliswamebiTa da sicruis 

dabralebiT micvalebulsac ki ar 

asvenebs. Sesabamisad, ruseTma 

mtris axali xatic daxata, _ aqamde 

Tu is romi da romis papi iyo, 

axla mas fanari da konstantinopolis 

msoflio sapatriarqoc miemata. 

or sxvadasxva mterTan brZola 

ormag resurssa da Zalisxmevas 

moiTxovs, amitom kremlma vatikani 

da fanari, papi da msoflio 

patriarqi „gaaerTiana” da saku- 

Tari ideologiis mimdevrebs er- 

Tian mtrebad dausaxa. 

_ dameTanxme, rom ruseTi 

dResac amas akeTebs... 

_ ra Tqma unda, da ormagad samwuxaroa, 

rom saqarTveloSic arseboben 

jgufebi, romlebic pirwmindad 

mihyvebian rusul kurss da 

aTenagorasTvis an barTlomeosisadmi 

talaxis sroliT ar isveneben. 

Sors rom ar wavideT, aTenagora 

calke Temaa da masze sxva 

dros ufro detalurad unda visaubroT. 

kidev erTi paraleli: 

msoflio krebis verCatarebaze 

kremlis pasuxi iyo, rom Tuki 

ruseTs ar SeuZlia krebis Catareba, 

e. i. konstantinopolmac ver 

unda Caataros igi. Sesabamisad, 

mTeli resursi, fuli, ideologia, 

Zala mimarTuli iyo iqiTken, rom 

konstantinopols Tavisi kanonikuri 

uflebamosileba ver ganexorcielebina. 

samwuxaroa, rom am 

WidilSi Cven rusuli pozicia davikaveT 

da 2016 wlis did da wminda 

krebas boikoti gamovucxadeT. 

_ rom SevajamoT, dRes ra pro- 

cesTan gvaqvs saqme? 

_ dRes ruseTi da misi lideri, 

vladimir putini, stalinis gegmis 

realizebas cdilobs da „marTlmadidebeli 

vatikanis” Seqmnas 

apirebs, raSic mas saqarTveloSic 

exmarebian. 

_ am survils xom ar ukavSird- 

eba mosaydris sakiTxic? 

_ ra Tqma unda, putins saku- 

Tari gegmis gansaxorcieleblad 

aucileblad sWirdeba, rom saqar- 

Tvelos eklesias ara wminda sinodi, 

aramed misi nebis Semsrulebeli 

egzarqosi marTavdes, risTvisac 

arc aqamde dauklia Zalisxmeva 

da arc momavalSi daixevs rameze 

ukan. 

amjerad aq gavCerdeT. sakmaod 

saintereso faqtebi da informaciaa 

gansjisTvis da dasafiqreblad 

qarTuli politikuri, saxelisufleblo 

da sazogadoebrivi 

speqtrisTvis. miT ufro, rom kretis 

krebis Sesaxeb araerTxel gvisaubria 

da am sakiTxSi qarTuli 

eklesiis interesebi rom wminda 

rusuli davalebis Sesrulebaa, 

esec araerTgzis aRgviniSnavs. 

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goCa mircxulava 

vaRiaroT, gviyvars kargad cxovreba, magram ise, rom Cven 

ar viSromoT. TiTqos gvekuTvnis da unda gvergebodes. gviy- 

vars komforti, magram amaze sxvam unda izrunos da uceb 

natvrisTvalic rom vipovoT, darwmunebuli var, aTidan eqvsi 

sakuTar survilsac ver Camoayalibebs srulad da aucileblad 

ityvis, _ es sami survili ra cota yofilao. Cven gviyvars da 

gvinda silamaze _ subieqturi aRqmaa _ magram verasodes 

vTanxmdebiT mis raobaze. swored ase, Cven gvinda ekonomikuri 

winsvla, karg qveyanaSi cxovreba, magram ekonomikis gareSe, 

rac hesebis, maT Soris, mcire hesebis arsebobasac moicavs. 

gana, vinmesTvis dasamalia an 

vinmem ar icis, rom am Temaze 

msjelobisas mowinaaRmdegeTa 

umetesoba ekologiaze an mcire 

hesebisgan momdinare safrTxeebze 

ki ar apelirebs, aramed maTi emociebis 

ukan metwilad sxva problema 

dgas. zogma sakiTxi siRrmiseulad 

ar icis, zogi ki sakuTar 

TavTan da uaxloes garemocvaSi 

acxadebs, _ mere, me ra sargebeli 

am yvelafrisgan? anu, sabolood, 

wina planze ori umTavresi sakiTxi 

gamodis _ ekologia da „me”. 

90-ian wlebSi ra zianic saqa- 


kubmetris farglebSia. vinmes 

dauTvlia, ramdeni ha tye gavaCanageT? 

da Tu vinme dRes bunebriv 

kataklizmebze apelirebs, sxva 

uamrav mizezTan erTad problemis 

saTave aqac unda veZeboT. ho, 

vaJasi ar iyos, _ buneba mbrZanebelia... 

magram is ar unda aiZulo, 

gibrZanos. raRac Znelad maxsendeba, 

garemos damcvelebsa da im 

personebs, romlebic ekologiur 

sirTuleebze apelireben, odesme 

miepyroT saTanado yuradReba am 

problemisTvis. axla ar vapireb 

ufro Rrmad ganvixilo garemoze 

inc hqondeT ganaxlebadi da alternatiuli 

eleqtromomaragebis 

wyaroebi. arc imaze saubrobs vinme, 

rom aseTi wyaroebis xvedriTi 

wili, saSualod, 15%-s ar aRemateba. 

amitom sakiTxis sworad gaazrebisas 

unda mivxvdeT, rom garemoze 

zemoqmedebis minimaluri 

albaToba mudam iqneba da amas 

hesebis mSeneblobis gareSec vaxerxebT, 

magram imisTvis, rom ekonomika 

ganviTardes da sikeTeebic 

miviRoT, romelsac natvrisTvali 

da Cveni survilebis raodenoba 

ver auva, mcire hesebis mSenebloba 

saqarTvelos energodamoukideblobisTvis 

aucilebelia. 

aq mniSvnelovania saTanado 

ganaTlebac da mosaxleobasTan 

ganmartebiTi muSaobac, Tundac 

zianis sworad warmoCena da sike- 

Teebis demonstrirebac. am SemTxvevaSi 

mosaxleoba Tu calkeuli 

aqtiuri jgufebi, romelTac gulwrfeli 

motivacia aqvT eko- 

valutis mdgradobaze, TiToeuli 

moqalaqis keTildReobaze. 

unda gavacnobieroT, rom saqarTvelo 

ar aris energoresursebis 

mflobeli qveyana _ ar gvaqvs 

navTobi, gazi, magram gvaqvs 

hidroresursebi, romlis sworad 

gamoeyeneba da misi eleqtroenergiad 

konvertireba aranaklebi 

mniSvnelobisaa. am mxriv mcire hesebis 

mSenebloba qveynis mTel 

teritoriaze, sadac amis SesaZlebloba 

arsebobs, Seuqcevad procesad 

unda vaqcioT. da ratom 

mcire hesebi? pasuxi martivia: Tu 

vambobT, rom garemoze zemoqmedeba 

nebismier viTarebaSi gardauvali 

procesia, maSin imasac advilad 

unda mivxvdeT, rom sam-xuT megavatian 

hesebs garemoze minimaluri 

zemoqmedeba aqvs, anu zianis 

koeficienti minimaluria. aucileblad 

ikiTxavs viRac, _ ki magram, 

energetikuli da ekonomikuri 

efeqti eqneba 5 mg-ian hess? 

pasuxi: 10-s? anu 50-mg-iani hess 

bamisad, Tu amas kvalificiurad 

gaakeTebT, dafaseba maSin naxeT, 

iseve rogorc ekonomikuri sargebeli. 

glexi? _ aq saubari arc 

Rirs... mSeneblobaze dasaqmebulebs, 

minimum, kveba sWirdebaT. 

gavagrZelo? vgoneb, yvela Se- 

Zlebs, sakuTari Tavi ipovos im 

sargebelSi, romelsac mcire hesebi 

regions, dabasa Tu sofels 

miscems da mis mosaxleobas. 

axla ufro globalurad _ nu 

dagvaviwydeba, rom investorebi 

iReben konkretul valdebulebebs: 

infrastruqturuls, socialurs, 

kulturuls. es ar aris 

saerTo sikeTe? saerTo sikeTe ar 

aris gza, biblioTeka, kulturis 

centri Tu sxva ram, rac SesaZloa, 

sainvesticio proeqtiT iyos 

gansazRvruli? da Tu adgilobrivi 

mosaxleoba sainvesticio 

pirobebis SeqmnaSi imTaviTve er- 

Tveba, mas SeuZlia maqsimaluri 

sargebeli miiRos konkretuli 

proeqtidan. an is ratom gvaviwy- 

natvrisTvali 

Tu mcire 

hesebi? 

rTvelos mosaxleobam ekologias 

miayena, amaze TiTqmis aravin saubrobs. 

aravin saubrobs imaze, Tu 

ramdeni milioni xe movWeriT da 

Rumels SevukeTeT. aravin saubrobs 

imaze, rom am moWrili xeebis 

nacvlad momWrelebs araferi 

dagvirgavs. aravin saubrobs imaze, 

Tu rogor dagvindo uamrav adgilas 

bunebam da ar dagvmewyra, ar 

wagvleka. aravin saubrobs imaze, 

ratom Semcirda wylis resursebi 

da amis mizezi rom swored Cven 

mier moWrili milionobiT xe iyo. 

rames vaWarbeb? erTi zamTris sezonze 

samsulian ojaxs, minimum, 5 

kb/m SeSa sWirdeba. sxvadasxva periodSi 

xalxis sxvadasxva raodenoba 

moixmarda SeSas, magram 1991 

wlidan 2005 wlamde SeSis stabiluri 

moxmareba gasaSualoebul 

doneze uwevda daaxloebiT milion 

ojaxs. anu weliwadSi davwviT 

xuTi milioni kubmetri SeSa, xolo 

15 wlis ganmavlobaSi davwviT 

75 milioni kubmetri SeSa. es aris 

yvelaze mcire maCvenebeli, Tu imasac 

gaviTvaliswinebT, rom soflebSi 

mosaxleoba SeSas mxolod 

zamTarSi ar iyenebda da ar iyenebs. 

ra ziani mivayeneT am mimarTulebiT 

ekologias da Tundac hidroresursebs, 

amaze, samwuxarod, 

aravis surs saubari. Tan 2005 

wlis Semdeg periodsac Tu davi- 

TvliT, maCvenebeli zamTar-zafxulSi 

SeSis moxmarebis mxriv Semcirebulia, 

Tumca saSualo raodenoba 

am periodSi 45-60 milioni 

zemoqmedebis sxva uamravi magaliTi. 

zemoT sikeTeebze visaubre _ 

Cven rom gvinda gvqondes, magram 

ise, rom Tavad araferi vakeToT, 

anu natvrisTvalis povnas rom 

velodebiT, daaxloebiT am kategoriis 

moTxovnaSi jdeba mudmivi 

apelireba alternatiul energoresursebze, 

mzisa da qaris energiis 

gamoyenebaze. energetikosebi 

erTmniSvnelovnad acxadeben, 

rom qarisa da mzis energia mimdinare 

etapze da verc samomavlod 

srulad ver SeZlebs uzrunvelyos 

romelime saxelmwifos da, 

maT Soris, saqarTvelos energodamoukidebloba. 

ratomRac, 

evropuli magaliTebis moxmobisas 

aravin fiqrobs, Tu ramdeni atomuri 

eleqtrosadguria evropaSi 

ganlagebuli da TviT im saxelmwifoebze, 

romelTac aqvT imis 

fufuneba, rom mcire doziT ma- 

logiisa da garemos dacvis mxriv, 

sworad gaiazreben sakiTxis arss. 

naTlad unda avuxsnaT Cvens 

Tanamoqalaqeebs, rom qveynis politikuri 

da ekonomikuri damoukideblobisTvis 

aucilebelia 

iseTi obieqtebis mSenebloba, romlisganac 

miRebuli sikeTe bevrad 

meti iqneba, vidre am obieqtis 

uaryofiTi gavlena. 

xelisufleba valdebulia, moqalaqeebs 

auxsnas, rom yovelwliurad 

izrdeba eleqtroenergiis 

moxmareba, saxelmwifo ki ver axerxebs 

saWiro raodenobis eleqtroenergiis 

gamomuSavebas. 

unda ganvmartoT, rom qveynidan 

eleqtroenergiis SesaZenad 

yovelwliurad aTobiT milioni 

aSS dolari gaedineba. bolo wlebSi 

saSualod am daniSnulebiT 

qveynidan 80 milioni aSS dolari 

gavida da es uaryofiTad aisaxeba 

qarTul ekonomikaze, erovnuli 

`naTlad unda avuxsnaT Cvens Tanamoqalaqeebs, 

rom qveynis politikuri da ekonomikuri 

damoukideblobisTvis aucilebelia iseTi 

obieqtebis mSenebloba, romlisganac miRebuli 

sikeTe bevrad meti iqneba, vidre am obieqtis 

uaryofiTi gavlena. xelisufleba valdebulia, 

moqalaqeebs auxsnas, rom yovelwliurad 

izrdeba eleqtroenergiis moxmareba, 

saxelmwifo ki ver axerxebs saWiro 

raodenobis eleqtroenergiis gamomuSavebas. 

unda ganvmartoT, rom qveynidan 

eleqtroenergiis SesaZenad yovelwliurad 

aTobiT milioni aSS dolari gaedineba~ 

eqneba efeqti? ki, namdvilad. Tumca 

im 5-megavatiani hesis socialuri 

da ekonomikuri, infrastruqturuli, 

gnebavT, migraciuli 

efeqti umniSvnelovanesia konkretuli 

dabisTvis Tu soflisTvis, 

sadac aseTi hesebi aSendeba. 

wina werilSi politikur faqtorebze 

visaubre da vgoneb, gasagebad 

ganvmarte, vis ar awyobs saqarTvelos 

energodamoukidebloba 

da ratom. amitomac aranairad 

ar vapireb axla isev davubrunde 

am sakiTxs. Tumca erTmniSvnelovnad 

vityvi, namdvilad araa sasargeblo 

Cveni qveynisTvis, qarTuli 

saxelmwifosTvis, nebsiT Tu 

uneblieT sxva qveynisa da sxva 

saxelmwifoebis samsaxurSi yofna. 

axla „mes” faqtorze gadavideT. 

yvela personas, romelic fiqrobs 

an acxadebs, piradad me ra 

sargebeli meqneba hesidano, unda 

ganvumarto: hesis mSeneblobisas 

da mere eqspluataciaSi Sesvlis 

Semdeg, Tu Tqven xabazi xarT, merwmuneT, 

Tqven mier gamomcxvari 

puris realizacia gaizrdeba da 

arc imas gamovricxav, eleqtroenergia, 

met-naklebad, SeRavaTiani 

reJimiT miiRoT. Tumca amaze 

Tavs ar vdeb. Tu Tqven kalatozi 

xarT an SemduRebeli, aseve miiRebT 

sikeTes am yvelafrisgan. 

mewaRe? _ ki Tqvenc, merwmuneT. 

maswavlebeli? _ ra Tqma unda, 

Tqvenc, radgan Tqveni moswavleebisTvis 

mogiwevT ufro meti codnis 

micema am mimarTulebiT, Sesa- 

deba, rom metwilad hesebis mSeneblobis 

dawyebamde sruldeba 

yvela aseTi danapirebi? ai, Tu vi- 

Rac ar asrulebs raRacas, aq pasuxismgebloba 

ara mxolod xelisuflebazea, 

aramed mosaxleobazec, 

romelmac investori unda 

aiZulos, pirobebi Seasrulos. 

amitom aucilebelia hesebis 

proeqtebis, aseve mSeneblobebis 

monitoringSi adgilobrivi mosaxleobis 

CarTuloba. 

da isev sakiTxis arss davubrundebi: 

rogorc eqspertebi da 

sferos specialistebi acxadeben, 

saqarTveloSi im proeqtebiT, rac 

arsebobs _ asaSenebeli Tu aSenebuli 

mcire eleqtrosadgurebiT, 

5-6 miliardi kilovat/saaTis gamomuSaveba 

SeiZleba. mcire eleqtrosadgurebs 

kaSxlebi ar sWirdeba 

da Sesabamisad, garemos nakleb 

zians ayenebs, arc midamo itboreba. 

amas garda, mcire hesebi im 

sikeTesac gvaZlevs, rom meti eleqtroenergia 

gviCndeba da aRar 

vyidulobT, anu TiToeuli Cvenganis 

energetikuli damoukidebloba 

da usafrTxoebac gacilebiT 

izrdeba. da rodesac energodamoukideblobaze 

vsaubrobT, 

saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg xmalamoRebuli 

brZola _ „ar davuSvebT!” 

_ rbilad rom vTqva, gauazrebeli 

nabijia da im sikeTeebze 

uaris Tqma, romelic ase gviyvars 

da romlis asrulebasac, ratom- 

Rac, mudam natvrisTvalis meSveobiT 

vcdilobT. 

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20 N24 (285) 16.07-22.07.2019 w.

im dros, rodesac qarTuli bi- 

Tengiz abloTia 

znesi danakargebs iTvlis da ruse- 

Tis mxridan axal sanqciebs elodeba, 

maT Soris, Rvinis, mineraluri wylebisa da xilis eqspor- 

tis akrZalvas _ ra SeiZleba adamianma Tqvas kargi yvelafer 

amasTan dakavSirebiT? Wiqa naxevrad savsea Tu naxevrad car- 

ieli? ra SeiZleba iyos yvelafer amaSi dadebiTi? bevri ara, 

magram erTi ram mainc aris _ dro, romelic moskovma airCia 

sanqciebis gamosacxadeblad. 

rtis 30% ruseTTan iqneboda 

mibmuli, xolo turizmSi _ 40% 

mainc. ai, maSin saqarTvelos sruli 

kolafsi eloda. 

Tumca, realurad, arc dRes 

viciT, saboloo jamSi, ra dagvijdeba 

putinis risxva _ jer 

zustad aravin icis, ramdeni 

rusi turisti Camova saqarTveloSi. 

yvela dRevandeli prognozi 

marCielobaa. 

magaliTad, is argumenti, rom 

rusebis 70% saqarTveloSi saxmeleTo 

transportiT Camodis da, 

Sesabamisad, maTze aviamimosvlis 

akrZalva ar imoqmedebs, Zalian 

didi miamitobaa imis warmodgena, 

rom saxmeleTo sazRvarze 

yvelaferi Zveleburad darCeba. 

ra Tqma unda, SesaZloa, sazRvari 

oficialurad ar Caiketos, 

magram darwmunebuli var, ruse- 


SeiZleba naklebi, magram mTavari 

sxvaa _ ai, ramdenic Camova axla 

_ imaze meti _ ar gvinda. 

turisti, romelic Camova gaafTrebuli 

propagandisa da gauqmebuli 

aviareisebis pirobeb- 

Si, gadalaxavs sirTuleebs, 

Camofrindeba TbilisSi erevnis 

an kievis gavliT _ es turisti 

mizandasaxulad Camodis saqar- 

TveloSi da swored es kategoriaa 

Cveni turisti. 

is raodenoba, romelic Camova 

am sezonze _ swored is iqneba 

qveynisTvis optimaluri da usafrTxo. 

es iqneba is raodenoba, 

romelic Camova politikuri Tu 

satransporto problemebis miuxedavad 

da ramdenis imedic 

Cven SegviZlia gvqondes nebismier 

situaciaSi. 

maSinac ki, rodesac sanqciebi 

moixsneba, rusi turistebis raodenoba 

ar unda aRematebodes am 

maCvenebels. da, ra Tqma unda, 

araviTar SemTxvevaSi rusi turistebi 

ar unda gavidnen pirvel 

adgilze raodenobis TvalsazrisiT. 

saxelmwifos amisTvis sakmarisi 

berketebi aqvs _ yvelaze martivia 

_ SeamcireT aviareisebis 

raodenoba im doneze, romelic 

uzrunvelyofs am miznobrivi 

maCveneblis SenarCunebas da arc 

erTi kaciT meti. 

aseve misaRebia zomebi ruseT- 

Si qarTuli eqsportis Tanda- 

TanobiT Semcirebaze _ kerZod, 

unda SemoviRoT SezRudvebi, 

romelic akrZalavs garkveul 

qveynebSi garkveuli saqonlis 

mTliani nakadis 50%-ze metis 

eqsports. 

qarTuli Rvinis 65%-is eqsporti 

ar unda modiodes ruse- 

Tze, aseve xilisa da bostneulis 

70%. arc erTi am produqtis eqsporti 

ruseTSi ar unda aRematebodes 

mTliani eqsportis 

50%-s. 

es gamoiwvevs did ukmayofilebas 

bizneswreebSi, Tumca sakmarisia 

isic, rom swored qar- 

Tveli meRvineebis usazRvro madis 

gamo saqarTvelo yovel 5-6 

weliwadSi brundeba rusuli 

ekonomikis WaobSi. 

arc erTi dargi ar unda idges 

qveyanaze maRla. meRvineobaa 

qveynis nawili da ara qveyana _ 

meRvineobis. 

Tu es ar gakeTda, deJaviu 

ganmeordeba da qveyana verasdros 

gascdeba am Waobs. 

rusul-qarTuli maradiuli deJaviu-2 

kargia, rom es moxda 2019 

wels da ara, davuSvaT, 2021-Si, 

radganac dRes ruseTze modis 

saqarTvelos eqsportis 15% da 

turistuli Semosavlebis 25%. 

sul raRac 2 wlis win ruseTi 

jer ar iyo qarTuli produqciis 

mTavari importiori qveyana 

da saqarTvelos mTel eqsport- 

Si ruseTs 5% eWira. 

turizmSic, jer kidev, 2018 

wels ruseTi iyo me-2 adgilze 

turistebis raodenobis kuTxiT 

da mxolod 2019 wlis I-II kvartalSi 

gavida pirvel adgilze. 

rogorc vxedavT, rusuli gavlena 

qarTul ekonomikaSi warmoudgeneli 

tempebiT izrdeboda 

da rom ara amJamindeli movlenebi, 

damokidebuleba gaizrdeboda, 

xolo garkveul period- 

Si kritikul zRvars miaRwevda. 

amis Semdeg nebismieri sanqciebi 

qveynis ekonomikisTvis sruliad 

damangreveli iqneboda. 

putinma odnav iCqara _ cotaTi 

umtyuna intuiciam. mas sanqciebi 

unda daewesebina 2-3 wlis 

Semdeg, rodesac qarTuli eqspo- 

`putinma odnav iCqara - cotaTi umtyuna 

intuiciam. mas sanqciebi unda daewesebina 2-3 

wlis Semdeg, rodesac qarTuli eqsportis 30% 

ruseTTan iqneboda mibmuli, xolo turizmSi - 

40% mainc. ai, maSin saqarTvelos sruli 

kolafsi eloda~ 

Ti imdenad gaarTulebs zemo 

larsis gadakveTis procedurebs, 

rom saSualostatistikuri 

rusi turistisTvis gacilebiT 

martivi iqneba mTvareze afrena, 

vidre saqarTveloSi Casvla. 

amitomac rusuli sanqciebis 

Sedegebi jerac ar gvinaxavs, miT 

umetes, eqsporti jer ar akrZalula. 

Tumca rac dRes aris, isaa, ra 

gvelodeba momavalSi da ra 

vqnaT Cven, rogor moviqceT? 

erTi wamiT warmoidgineT _ 

xval viTareba TbilisSi damSvidda, 

gamosvlebi Sewyda da 

situacia dastabilurda. gamoricxuli 

araa, rom am SemTxvevaSi 

putini gadaifiqrebs sanqciebis 

SemoRebas, ityvis „awi rus turistebs 

saqarTveloSi araferi 

emuqrebaTo”... da isev aRadgens 

aviamimosvlas. 

es sulac araa SeuZlebeli, 

miT umetes im fonze, rom saqar- 

Tvelos ekonomika jer araa bolomde 

mibmuli ruseTTan. 

an warmovidginoT, rom rusi 

turistebi mainc Camovlen saqarTveloSi. 

ra unda vakeToT Cven, 

da, saerTod, kargi iqneba Tu ara 

qveynisTvis yvelafris isev iq 

dabruneba, sadac gavrilovis 

kazusamde iyo? 

dRes naTlad vxedavT, rom 

„ruseTis bazari” ar aris ekonomikuri 

cneba da, Sesabamisad, 

masTan midgomac ar unda iyos 

wminda wylis ekonomikuri. 

„mTavroba ar ereva biznesis 

saqmeSi” _ swori midgomaa, Tu 

saqme exeba evropas, amerikas, 

TurqeTs, CineTsa da sxva qveynebs, 

romlebTanac vaWroba da 

turizmi araa dakavSirebuli 

did politikasTan. 

Sesabamisad, mTavroba diaxac, 

unda Caerios, radgan xval kidev 

rame rom gauWirdes qarTul bizness 

ruseTSi, is im wuTas mocunculdeba 

mTavrobasTan TxovniT: 

„gviSveleT!” da, ratom- 

Rac, am dros aravis axsovs, rom 

„mTavroba ar unda Caerios biznesSi”... 

ase ar gamova _ rodesac gawyobT, 

ar Caerios da rodesac 

gawyobT _ piriqiT. 

xelisuflebam, maRali politikuri 

riskebidan gamomdinare, 

diaxac, unda akontrolos situacia 

imisTvis, rom momavalSi 

mainc ar dauSvas qveynis CaTreva 

rusul ekonomikaSi. 

pirvel rigSi unda gavigoT _ 

ra gvsurs Cven? gvinda Tu ara 

rusi turisti da Tu gvinda _ 

ramdeni? 

2011 wels, jer kidev, saakaSvilis 

periodSi, saqarTveloSi Camovida 

278 000 turisti _ Caketili 

saxmeleTo sazRvrisa da gauqmebuli 

aviamimosvlis pirobebSi. 

savaraudod, minimum, amdenive 

Camova axlac. SeiZleba meti, 

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òcnebam~ TuTaSxiasaviT unda Tqvas, 

gavrilovis krizisis davidara- 


baSi sazogadoebam yuradReba arc 

miaqcia, rom „mweralTa saxli” da 

„qarTuli literaturis erovnuli fondi” gauqmda da am ori 

ssp-is bazaze „qarTuli literaturis erovnuli fondi” Seiqm- 

na. momxdari mwerlebma gaaprotestes da yvelaferi imiT 

damTavrda, rom ganaTlebisa da kulturis ministris moadgilem 

Tanamdeboba datova. ise, iTqva, mixeil giorgaZe Sin imitom 

gauSves, rom antisaokupacio aqciebze mweralTa armis- 

vla ver uzrunvelyoo. asea Tu ise, TvalnaTelia, rom mwer- 

lebsa da xelisuflebas Soris xidi Catexilia. 

ratom kidia mTavrobas fexze 

SemoqmedebiTi adamianebi? arseboben 

Tu ara e. w. elituri mwerlebi? 

da, saerTod, ra sargebloba 

moaqvs SemoqmedebiT gaer- 

Tianebebsa da kavSirebs? _ yvel- 

afer amaze „qronika+” poet juba 

Rebels esaubra: 

_ ganaTlebisa da mecnierebis 

ministris aw ukve yofili moadg- 

ilis, mixeil giorgaZis bolo ga- 

dawyvetileba mweralTa saxlis 

gauqmeba iyo, ris nacvladac „qa- 

rTuli literaturis erovnuli 

fondi” Seiqmna. es kargia Tu cudi 

da, saerTod, batono juba, „qa- 

rTuli literaturis erovnuli 

fondi” ras niSnavs? 

_ mweralTa saxlis gauqmeba 

kulturis yofili ministrisa da 

ganaTlebisa da kulturis yofili 

moadgilis bolo gadawyvetileba 

ar yofila, radgan mweralTa saxli, 

anu sasaxle, ufro adre, saakaSvilis 

mTavrobam gaauqma _ dafinanseba 

Seuwyvita da maSindel 

kulturis saministros dauqvemdebara. 

Sesabamisad, mixeil giorgaZem 

ki ar gaauqma, aramed ori ssipi gaaerTiana 

da saxeli Seucvala. simarTle 

giTxraT, ar vici, „literaturis 

erovnuli fondi” ras niSnavs, 

miT umetes, maSin, roca gvaqvs 

literaturis muzeumebi, aseve 

gvaqvs televiziis oqros fondi, 

sadac daculia qarTvel mweralTa 

arqivebi, wignebi, ilustraciebi, 

monografiebi, maTi piradi nivTebi. 

ar mgonia, am axali fondis mizani 

yvela zemoT CamoTvlilis er- 

Tianad Tavmoyra da masze zrunva 

iyos, an es xelewifebodes. saamisod 

mweralTa kavSiris yofili 

Senoba ar gamodgeba. aseTi organizaciis 

Seqmna, iqneb, saWiro da 

aucilebelia, magram ara _ maincdamainc 

am bazaze. amisTvis araCveulebrivi 

pirobebia prezidentis 

yofil rezidenciaSi, romelic 

dRemde ar ician, risTvis gamoiyenon. 

amitom mivmarTav xelisuflebas: 

prezidentis avlabris sasaxle 

mTlianad dauTmon kulturisa da 

xelovanTa gaerTianebebs. amiT es 

sasaxle Cveni qveynis genofondisa 

da kulturis istoriis didi 

muzeumi gaxdeba! 

_ cudi idea namdvilad ar 

aris, magram demokratiul qvey- 

nebSi, rogorc viciT, mweralTa 

da, zogadad, SemoqmedebiTi adamianebis 

kavSirebi ar asebobs. mar- 

Talia, organizacia, romelic 

giorgaZem gaauqma, is mweralTa 

kavSiri aRar iyo, romelic mTe- 

li 70 weli arsebobda, magram msgavsi 

organizacia, marTlac, ko- 

munistur gadmonaSTad xom ar 

unda miviCnioT? 

_ saxelmwifoebi, TavianTi istoriis 

ganmavlobaSi, icvlebian, 

gadian sxvadasxva formacias da vi- 

Tardebian. yvelafers, rac gasul 

saukunes ukavSirdeba, komunist- 

ursa da gadmonaSTs veZaxiT. arada, 

me-20 saukune saqarTvelos istoriaSi 

SeiZleba, mwerlobis, mxatvrobis, 

musikis, sportis, kinematografisa 

Tu Teatraluri xelovnebis 

oqros xanad CaiTvalos. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, arc manamde da 

arc mas Semdeg, Tu TiTo-orola 

periods gamovtovebT, xelovnebis 

yvela sferoSi Cvens qveyanas ase- 

Ti masStabebi arasodes hqonia. 

komunisturi ideologia demokratiuli 

ar iyo, magram im „wiTel 

xanaSi” demokratiis sadarajoze 

swored kultura da xelovneba 

idga. 

_ nawilobriv geTanxmebiT, magram, 

batono juba, mgoni, dasama- 

li araa, rom mweralTa kavSiris 

istoria codvebisgan bolomde 

sufTa ar aris, anu, rogorc am- 

boben, am kavSirSi iseTebic iyvnen, 

romlebic sabWoTa uSiSroebasTan 

TanamSromlobdnen da amis naTeli 

magaliTi Tundac paolo iaS- 

vilis tragediaa. mokled, xom ar 

fiqrobT, rom demokratiul 

saqarTveloSi msgavsi organiza- 

cia xelisuflebas SemoqmedebiTi 

sazogadoebis kontrolisTvis 

sWirdeba? 

_ marTalia, is avadsaxsenebeli 

reJimi paolo iaSvilis gasroliT, 

anu TviTmkvlelobiT iwyeba, magram 

arc tician tabiZe unda dagvaviwydes, 

arc _ mixeil javaxiSvili 

da arc _ uamravi daxvretili 

qarTveli moRvawis didi enciklopedia. 

zogadad, yvela droSi yvela 

saxelmwifo popularul saxeebs 

Tavisi ideologiis gasatareblad 

iyenebda. gavixsenoT ciceroni, 

neroni... ilia WavWavaZe komunistebs 

ar mouklavT, „mesamedaselebma” 

Seiwires. arc sulxan-saba 

uTreviaT wveriT komunistebs. ma- 

Sinac sxva qadagis dro iyo... 

_ amiT ris xazgasmas cdilobT? 

_ ver vityvi, rom mweralTa kav- 

Siris wevrebi uSiSroebasTan TanamSromlobdnen, 

Tumca sxva saqmea, 

Tu rogor aiZulebdnen, rom eTanamSromlaT. 

paolom swored am 

TanamSromlobaze uaris gamo moikla 

Tavi. 

albaT, gsmeniaT varden RvankiTelze 

_ es is pirovnebaa, romelsac 

akakim cnobili SarJi miuZ- 

Rvna: „were, were, Cemo varden, 

mters esrole isario, Tu mwerali 

ar gamoxval, weras mainc iswavlio!” 

SeiZleba, varden yifiani 

(„RvankiTeli” misi literaturuli 

fsevdonimia) didi mwerali ver 

gaxda, magram maSindel literaturul 

da Teatralur wreebSi kargad 

cnobili iyo da samagaliTo 

gmirobac Caidina, roca saqarTvelos 

kaTolikos-patriarq ambrosi 

xelaias saxalxo sasamarTloze, 

sadac uSiSroebam patriarqis magineblebi 

uxvad moZebna, es muSakmwerali 

(rogorc maSin uwodebdnen) 

tribunidan motrialda, pa- 

juba Rebeli: 

`sanam qveyanaSi 

mwerloba eris 

winamZRoli ar 

iqneba, 

mmarTvelTa 

samsaxurSi 

Camdgar brbos 

davemsgavsebiT!~ 

triarqs dauCoqa da Sendoba sTxova. 

mokled, SemoqmedTa suliskveTebas 

verc erTi saxelmwifo verasodes 

gaakontrolebs. Semoqmedi 

adamianebi, farulad Tu aSkarad, 

mainc xalxisa da eris sadarajoze 

dganan da idgebian. ase rom, 

mniSvneloba ar aqvs, esa Tu is re- 

Jimi „mefis navSi” ramden mjdoms 

„daaverbovkebs”. 

_ netav, marTlac ase iyos... 

batono juba, Tqveni, rogorc 

poetisa da moqalaqis azriT, ra 

sargebloba mohqonda da moaqvs 

mweralTa kavSirs an igive mwer- 

alTa saxls? 

_ vxvdebi, rom mweralTa kav- 

Sirze, romelsac mweralTa saxl- 

Tan saerTo araferi aqvs, aqcentirebas 

gangeb akeTebT, anu cdilobT, 

rom sityva „kavSiri” gamokveToT, 

magram sazogadoebam unda 

icodes, rom sityva „kavSiri” arc 

komunistebis mogonilia da arc 

vinmes mier augadaa saxsenebeli. 

_ ra SematyveT, rom sityva 

„kavSirs” augad movixsenieb? 

_ CemTvis mweralTa kavSiri 

qarTvel mweralTa gaerTianeba da 

erTiani qarTuli mwerloba gaxldaT. 

am da ara marto am kavSirs 

saxelmwifo afinansebda, anu mwerloba 

dafinansebuli iyo da aman 

adamianTa Tu axalgazrda Taoba- 

Ta zneobrivad aRzrdis saqmeSi 

udidesi Sedegic moitana. 

mogexsenebaT, yvela qveyana sxvadasxva 

formiT zrunavs Tavisi 

kulturis warmoCenaze, magali- 

Tad, qmnis aTas fonds, niWier xelovanebs 

iwvevs sasaxlis karze da 

a. S. Tavad daviT aRmaSenebelmac 

uamravi medrese da saswavlebeli 

`ganaTlebisa da kulturis saministros 

daqvemdebarebaSi myofi a(a)ipi, `mweralTa 

saxli~, amave daqvemdebarebaSi myof `wignis 

erovnul centrTan~ erTad, `literaturis 

erovnul fonds~ mweralTa kuTvnil sasaxles 

edaveboda da Cven ra pozicia unda 

dagvekavebina? Cven, wesiT da rigiT, mTeli 

mwerloba lozungiT - `visas inawilebT?! visas 

iyofT?!~ unda gamovsuliyaviT da Cveni 

pozicia dagvefiqsirebina. sxvaTa Soris, am 

kuTxiT moqmedebas vapirebT kidec~ 

daaarsa _ mis dros Seiqmna iyal- 

Tos, gelaTis akademiebi da es rom 

ara, SeiZleba, oqros xana ar yofiliyo 

da arc SoTa rusTaveli 

gvyoloda. 

mniSvneloba ar aqvs, sxva mweralTa 

ama Tu im gaerTianebas kav- 

Siri erqmeva Tu akademia. mTavaria, 

saxelmwifo mwerlebze aucileblad 

zrunavdes da maT muSaobisTvis 

yvela pirobas uqmnides. 

_ ise, ramdenime wlis win mwer- 

alTa kavSiri orad gaiyo, rasac 

didi skandali moyva. am detalebs 

axla ar CaveZiebi, magram, Tqveni 

poziciis muxedavad, rom mweral- 

Ta gaerTianebebi aucilebelia, 

piradad me, mgonia, rom msgavsi 

kavSirebi biujetidan fulis 

keTebis erTgvari saSualebaa. sx- 

vaTa Soris, komunistebis dros 

mweralTa kavSirs uamravi qoneba 

hqonda da zogs hgonia, rom dRes 

dava swored amaze midis. 

_ skandalSi, albaT, „mweralTa 

erovnuli akademiis” daarseba igulisxmeT, 

ara? 

_ diax. 

_ weRan giTxariT da kidev gavimeoreb, 

rom saerTo niSnis matarebeli 

sxvadasxva gaerTianeba 

araTu asustebs, aramed erTmaneTs, 

piriqiT, aZlierebs. „mweralTa erovnuli 

akademiis” mizanic swored 

is iyo, rom mavanTa mier avtoritetSelaxuli 

mwerloba Cixidan 

gamoeyvana da akademiur safexurze 

aeyvana. Cven gvindoda, rom 700-kacian 

mweralTa kavSiridan Segver- 

Cia erTi meoTxedi, misTvis dafinanseba 

mogvepovebina da am adamianebis 

xma sazogadoebisTvis migvewvdina. 

es nawilobriv moxerxda, 

Tumca Semdgom ganviTarebulma 

movlenebma cota ukan dagvxia. vfiqrob, 

es uaxloes momavalSi gamoswordeba. 

sxvaTa Soris, „mweralTa 

erovnuli akademia” dRe-dReze 

axal literaturul gamocemas _ 

„sxva dros” elodeba. 

rac Seexeba qonebas, amis Sesaxeb 

bevri araferi vici, magram rac 

vici, isaa, rom mwerlobas, sxva organizaciebTan 

SedarebiT, gansakuTrebuli 

qoneba ar hqonia. uamravi 

qoneba hqonda mxatvarTa, kompozitorTa 

da sxva kavSirebsa Tu 

gaerTianebebs. regionebSi arsebuli 

qoneba adgilobrivma TviTm- 

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visac vaWame, iman gamxadao!~ 

marTvelobebma miiTvises, wignisa 

da bukinisturi maRaziebic maT balansze 

gadavida, igive bedi ewia 

dasasvenebel saxlebsa da agarakebs. 

yvelaze Zvirfasi, rac mwerlebs 

gvqonda, naCuqari sasaxle iyo, 

romelzec saxelmwifos uflebamosileba 

ar gaaCnda da ZaliT wagvarTva! 

_ sityvam moitana da, „naciona- 

lebis” tradicias „ocnebac” xom 

ar agrZelebs da mwerlebze Set- 

eva miaqvs? 

_ „nacionaluri” xelisuflebis 

„c”-Ti gakeTilSobilebas ver 

daveTanxmebi. jer zviadis, Semdeg 

SevardnaZis dros orjer dagvibrunda 

naCuqari sasaxle. 

amitom saqarTvelos istoriaSi 

qarTuli mwerlobis ZiriTadi 

ngreva da Txra pirvelad mainc 

„nacionalebis” xelisuflebaSi 

mosvlidan iwyeba. 

dRevandel xelisuflebas, miuxedavad 

imisa, rom msgavsi „mig- 

`prezidentis avlabris sasaxle 

nebebi” ar hqonia, ngrevaSi ver davadanaSauleb, 

Tumca gulgrili 

kulturisa da xelovanTa 

damokidebulebac danaSaulia. 

gaerTianebebs unda gadaeces!~ 

„qarTul ocnebas”, romelmac xelisuflebaSi 

mosvlisTanave kulturis 

ministrad mwerali daniSna, 

SeeZlo, sasaxle mwerlebisTvis 

daebrunebina, magram ar gaakeTa, 

ufro sworad, ver gariska. piriqiT, 

imave inerciiT gaagrZela egzaltirebul 

alT, ganze arc rezo miSvelaZes 

vudgavarT, arc _ guram doCanaSvils, 

arc _ givi Sahnazars, arc _ 

emzar kvitaiSvils, vaxtang javaxaZes, 

tariel Wanturiasa da guram 

isini araTu narativs aZleven 

erTmaneTs, aramed erTad, erT oTaxSi 

an tualetSi sxedan da morigeobiT 

weren. erT-erTma xom Tqva 

kidec, yvelaze kargi leqsebi tu- 

bazrobaze saqarTvelo sapatio 

stumris statusiT monawileobda, 

Tumca skandali amasac axlda. 

batono juba, ra moutana wignis 

bazrobam Cvens qveyanas da ratom 

da epataJur mweral- gegeSiZes. igives vityodi Cvens aletSi davwereo. 

iyo mcdeloba, rom yvelaferi es 

Ta dafinanseba, maTi wignebis uamalT, 

ravi tiraJiT gamocema, frankfurtsa 

Tu sxva bienalebze maTi 

warmoCena da Sedegic miiRo _ jer 

frankfurtidan dauanonses, „trakze 

makoceTo” (ise, amaT rom afinanseb, 

ki unda akoco ukanalzec) 

da ager, axla mitingebs umarTaven, 

rasac, savaraudod, giorgaZe Seewira. 

„ocnebam” TuTaSxiasaviT unda 

Tqvas, visac vaWame, iman gamxadao! 

_ anu dRes mwerlebsa da xelisuflebas 

Soris xidi Catexil- 

ia? 

_ Tu saqarTvelos istorias 

gadaxedavT, iSviaTad naxavT dros 

da epoqas, rogori mZime Jamianobac 

unda iyos, rom xelisuflebas 

(saxelmwifos) da mwerlobas (xelovnebas) 

Soris ganxeTqileba yofiliyos. 

qveyana, sadac xelisufali xalxis 

uflebis damcveli veraa, qveyana, 

sadac zneobrivi kategoriebi 

ignorirebulia, qveyana, sadac qarTuli 

istoria ar iswavleba, qveyana, 

sadac msoflios 14 anbanidan 

erT-erTis (Tu ara erTaderTis) 

memkvidre xar da aknineb, qveyana, 

sadac mefeTa, wmindanTa lanZRvisTvis 

zenitSi adixar, qveyana, romelmac 

umcros mwerlebze, romlebTanac 

ise vmegobrobT, rom asakobrivi 

sxvaobac gvaviwydeba xolme. 

„mweralTa saxlis gauqmeba Ti- 

Tqmis yvelam erTad gaaprotestao”, 

brZanebT, magram vin yvelam? 

miuxedavad imisa, rom qalbaton 

nata lomours Zalian did pativs 

vcem _ bevri ram gaakeTa usaxlkarod 

darCenili mwerlebisTvis da am 

saqmis gamo xmamaRali protesti ar 

gamomiTqvams, an rogor unda gamomeTqva, 

roca piriqiT, mTeli 

mwerloba protests am sasaxlis 

warTmevaze gamovTqvamdiT. 

daviT guramiSvili gamaxsenda: 

„viT mamali sxvis mamalsa damterdes 

da waekidos... egre qarTli da 

kaxeTi darCa lekTa, TurqTa, didos!” 

ganaTlebisa da kulturis 

saministros daqvemdebarebaSi myofi 

a(a)ipi, „mweralTa saxli”, amave 

daqvemdebarebaSi myof „wignis erovnul 

centrTan” erTad, „literaturis 

erovnul fonds” mweral- 

Ta kuTvnil sasaxles edaveboda da 

Cven ra pozicia unda dagvekavebina? 

Cven, wesiT da rigiT, mTeli 

mwerloba lozungiT _ „visas inawilebT?! 

visas iyofT?!” unda gamovsuliyaviT 

da Cveni pozicia 

dagvefiqsirebina. sxvaTa Soris, am 

_ amave konteqstSi literatu- 

rul konkursebzec unda gkiTxoT. 

Cvens qveyanaSi yvelaze gaxmaurebuli 

erTaderTi konkursia, Tum- 

ca zogi ambobs, rom aq yvelaferi 

„CawyobiT” xdeba. amaze ra infor- 

macia gaqvT da ras fiqrobT? 

_ Tu „sabas” gulisxmobT, verafers 

getyviT, garda imisa, rom 

isic „elitarTa” Sida konkursia, 

romelSic aqa-iq gamoureven xolme 

mwerals, niSis SesanarCuneblad. 

rac Seexeba Cawyobas, bunebrivia, 

maTia da ver miedavebi, visac 

unda, aZleven premias. gamogitydebiT 

da, iseTi kargi dafinansebaa, 

arc me vityodi uars, Tumca es 

naxevrad xumrobiT. seriozulad 

ki, roca literaturul konkurszea 

laparaki, rogor SeiZleba, gverdi 

avuaro rezo inaniSvilis saxelobis 

erTi moTxrobis konkurss, 

romlis JiuriSic xSirad var da 

zustad vici, iq mikerZoebas adgili 

ar aqvs. kidev bevri sxva konkursia, 

magaliTad, goderZi Coxelis 

saxelobis literaturuli 

konkursi miniaturul prozaSi, 

„SoTaobasTan” dakavSirebuli gazeT 

„literaturuli mesxeTis” 

konkursi poeziaSi, „wminda ilia 

marTlis saxelobis konkursi pro- 

politikur WrilSi gadaetanaT? 

_ roca romelime qveyanaSi sapatio 

stumris statusiT monawileob 

da Seni qveynis literaturas 

warmoaCen, amas, ra Tqma unda, ra- 

Rac mniSvneloba yovelTvis aqvs, 

Tumca am wignis bazrobaze, romel- 

Sic, rogorc vici, 18 milioni 

daixarja, SeiZleboda, ukeTesad 

warmovCeniliyaviT. 

rac Seexeba politikas, unda 

giTxraT, rom im droidan, rac „nacionalurma” 

mTavrobam mwerlebs 

saxli waarTva da dafinanseba Seuwyvita, 

daiwyo aRzeveba e. w. elituri 

mwerlebisa, romlebic mis 

ideologias emsaxurebodnen. Sesabamisad, 

am wignis bazrobazec mivlinebul 

mwerlebs igive misia 

hqondaT dakisrebuli da es Tavis- 

Tavad politikur elementebs Seicavda. 

swored am bazrobaze ganucxada 

erT-erTma elitarma damfinanseblebs, 

ukanalze makoceTo. 

_ Tanamedrove qarTuli mwerloba 

qveynis politikur cxovre- 

baze gavlenas axdens, anu mwera- 

li garemoebis sayviri aris Tu 

ara? 

_ usaxlkarod, dafinansebis 

gareSe darCenili, mTavrobisgan 

ignorirebuli, mediasaSualebebs 

gaacamtvera samecniero da kuTxiT moqmedebas vapirebT zasa da poeziaSi”... 

mowyvetili, tribunaCamorTmeuli, 

sazogadoebrivi institutebi, ra kidec. 

_ mweralTa saxlTan erTad 

galanZRuli da daCagruli mwerloba 

xidzea laparaki? araviTari xidebi 

aRar aris da Sesabamisad, verc 

maT Catexvaze visaubrebT! 

_ sxvaTa Soris, axali Taobis 

mwerlebs ZvelgazrdebTan main- 

cdamainc Tbili urTierToba ar 

aqvT, Tumca mweralTa saxlis gau- 

qmeba TiTqmis yvelam erTad gaaprotesta, 

anu es sakiTxi Sesa- 

Zloa, qarTveli mwerlebis gamae- 

rTianebeli gaxdes? 

_ ras ambobT? me ase ar vityodi. 

me da Cemi Taobis mwerlebs Zalian 

Tbili da megobruli damokidebuleba 

gvaqvs, magaliTad, tariel 

xalxelaurTan, mzia xeTagur- 

Tan, Temur CalabaSvilTan, manana 

CitiSvilTan, Tu ufro maRla wav- 

_ batono juba, me, rogorc 

gareSe Tvals, mgonia, rom arsebobs 

mwerlebis e. w. elituri kas- 

ta, romelic cdilobs, yvelas, 

vinc wers, narativi misces. asea? 

_ „elituri kastis mwerlebi”, 

romelTa umravlesobas „adamianismagvarni” 

davarqvi da amave saxelwodebis 

leqsic „mivuZRveni”, Tu 

daakvirdebiT, Tavis msoflmxedvelobiT, 

azrovnebiT, Cacmulobi- 

Ta da formiTac ki ise hgvanan 

erTmaneTs, gegonebaT, erTma dedam 

Sobao. amitomaa, rom am saerTo 

dedis danaxva intimur ganwyobaze 

ayenebT, Torem sakuTar dedaze 

aseTi ram normaluri adamianisTvis 

warmoudgenelia. 

„qarTuli wignis erovnuli cen- 

tric” gauqmda, romelic aseve 

ganaTlebisa da kulturis saministros 

sspi iyo. „qarTuli wign- 

is erovnuli centri” imTaviTve 

mkvdradSobili organizacia xom 

ar iyo, anu mas ra misia hqonda? 

_ „qarTuli wignis erovnuli 

centri” am mTavrobis dros Seiqmna, 

misi saqmianobis Sesaxeb mxolod is 

vici, rom zemoxsenebul „elitarTa” 

wignebis gamocemiTa da popularizaciiT 

iyo dakavebuli. amasTan, 

dRemde Catarebuli wignebis yvela 

festivalis mTavari organizatoric 

gaxldaT. am festivalebze milionobiT 

Tanxa ixarjeboda. 

_ SarSan frankfurtis wignis 

ver iqneba „garemoebis sayvi- 

ri”, Tumca mainc cdilobs, lelT- 

Runias roli Seasrulos da eris 

winamZolis funqcia ar dakargos: 

„me ca mniSnavs da eri mzrdis, miwieri 

zeciersa, RmerTTan misTvis 

vlaparakob, rom warvuZRve wina 

ersa!” 

_ batono juba, SemTxveviT 

visargebleb da bolodroindel 

movlenebzec gkiTxavT, miT ume- 

tes, arsebobs versia, mweralTa 

saxlis gauqmebiT mwerlebi imit- 

om dasajes, rom isini antisaokup- 

acio aqciebs TanaugrZnoben. asea? 

_ mwerlebi maSin dasajes, roca 

mwerlTa sasaxlidan gamodevnes da 

Senobas mweralTa saxli daarqves. 

miuxedavad imisa, rom es saxli, ase 

Tu ise, ignorirebul mwerlebsac 

emsaxureboda, risTvisac kidev er- 

Txel vuxdi madlobas mis direqtors, 

misi mTavari sazrunavi mainc 

e. w. elitur mweralTa da maT 

litgamocemebze zrunva gaxldaT. 

am antisaokupacio aqciebzec isini 

aqtiurobdnen. danarCen mwerlebs, 

romlebic aseve gamoTqvamdnen 

protests, tribunasTan aravin 

miakarebda. 

_ bolos, miTxariT, Tqven, 

rogorc mwerals, dRes yvelaze 

mZafri protesti raze gaqvT? 

_ romeli erTiT daviwyo? Cveni 

saubrisas bevrjer davusvi Tavs 

kiTxva, rame zedmeti xom ar vTqvi, 

im „elitur mwerlebsac” nametnavad 

xom ar gavusvi xazi, gadametebulad 

xom ar vafaseb arsebul 

mdgomareobas-meTqi? aravis warmateba 

ar mSurs da sakuTariviT 

mixaria, roca karg nawarmoebs wavikiTxav. 

uzomod niWieri eri varT, 

magram naxeT, ra xdeba: mTeli 30 

weli aqciebze vdgavarT, xelisuflebaSi 

ki sul SemTxveviTi xalxi 

modis, qveyana iZulebuls xdis, adamianebma 

epataJur xerxebs mimar- 

Ton TavianTi Tavis dasamkvidreblad, 

aman gansakuTrebiT mwerlobasa 

da JurnalistikaSi iCina Tavi. 

niWierma axalgazrdebma winaparTa 

lanZRva-ginebiT, sxva popularuli 

qmedebebiT daimkvidres Tavi 

da Tavisdauneburad TavianTi 

xalxis, erisa da qveynis erovnuli 

misiis winaaRmdegobaSi aRmoCndnen. 

xandaxan minda, goderZi CoxeliviT 

SiSveli fexebiT viaro miwaze, 

ise miyvars da meTbileba... aseve 

Zlier ganvicdi misi yoveli gojis 

dakargvas. 30 weli erT karuselze 

vtrialebT, mdidrdebian da 

icvlebian mTavrobebi, Raribdeba 

xalxi da qveyana, carieldeba soflebi 

da qalaqebi, sul ufro da 

ufro izrdeba emigrantTa ricxvi, 

sul ufro da ufro matulobs migrantTa 

raodenobac. am fonze ki 

sakrebulos, parlamentis savar- 

ZlebSi mSvidad sxedan milionerebi, 

romelTa umravlesobas politikasa 

da qveynis siyvarulTan saerTo 

araferi aqvs. meriaSi rom mixvideT 

janmrTelobis dafinansebaze, 

ufulobas SemogCivleben, arada, 

miliardebi ixarjeba sxvadasxva 

araaucilebel RonisZiebasa Tu 

erTsa da imave gzis aTjer dagebaze, 

romelsac Sesabamisi mogeba moaqvs. 

rad gvinda gzebi, Tu masze Cven 

veRar vivliT, rad gvinda infrastruqtura, 

Tu janmrTelni veRar 

viqnebiT, rad gvinda qveyana, romelSic 

veRar vicxovrebT?! 

SeiZleba, xmamaRal naTqvamad 

mogeCvenoT, magram vacxadeb, _ sanam 

Cvens qveyanaSi mwerloba ar iqneba 

eris winamZRoli, sanam mwerlebi, 

romlebic arian eris genetikuri 

kodis, zneobrivi kategoriebis, 

adaT-wesebis, tradiciebis matarebelni, 

ar iqnebian saTanadod 

dafasebul-warmoCenilni, araferi 

gveSveleba. qveyana gadaiqceva korumpirebul-elitarTa 

saZovrad, 

gaRaribdeba xalxi, adamianebi gadaiqcevian 

meoradi moxmarebis sa- 

Sualebebad, ZlierTa ama qveynisa- 

Ta momsaxure personalebad. aRar 

iqneba qorwilebi, qelexebi, naTlobebi, 

romlebsac isedac warsulis 

gadmonaSTebad Tvlian, daknindeba 

da ganiZarcveba eklesia, 

daikargeba rwmena da Cven mmarTvelTa 

samsaxurSi Camdgar brbos 

davemsgavsebiT! 

amasTan gvaxsovdes: mTeli istoriis 

ganmavlobaSi, Tu ramiT 

warmovCindebiT da vamayobT, SoTa 

rusTavelia, es yvela drois udidesi 

titania, romelic Cemi Sinagani 

rwmeniT, qristes mociquli da 

misi umcrosi Zma iyo! 

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ruseTis strategiuli kvlevebis 

„gavrilovis krizisma” kidev 


erTxel naTelyo, rom rusuli e. 

w. rbili Zala Tavisas ar iSlis da 

cdilobs, saqarTvelos yvela mimarTulebiT gamouTxaros 

Ziri. zogadad, is, rom Cvens qveyanaSi ruseTis gavlenis agen- 

tebi sakmarisze metni arian, axali ar aris da „mexuTe kolo- 

nis” saqmianobazec met-naklebi warmodgena gvaqvs, magram 

„qronika+”-isTvis cnobili xdeba, rom kremli Cveni qveynis 

mosaxleobis samarTavad sxva meTodebsac iyenebs kerZod, 

rogorc uSiSroebis yofili TanamSromeli gveubneba, CrdiloeTis 

specsamsaxurebi adamianebze zemoqmedebisTvis onlains- 

esxebis kompaniebsa da socialur qselebsac iyenebs. sxvaTa 

Soris, saqarTveloSi, raoden ucnauradac unda mogveCvenos, 

jer kidev popularulia rusuli socialuri qseli 

„odnoklasnikebi”, romelic, gavrcelebuli informaciiT, 

pirdapir ÔÑÁ-zea mibmuli, anu ufro gasagebad rom vTqvaT, 

„odnoklasnikebi” ÔÑÁ-s Seqmnilia. 

ra werili gamoqveynda 

rusul mediaSi 2010 wels 

da rogor akontroleben 

kremlis specsamsaxurebi 

socialuri qselebiT 

mosaxleobas? 

mokled, rogor akontrolebs 

saqarTvelos mosaxleobas soci- 

aluri qselebiT da aseve onlainsesxebiT 

da ra weria epifance- 

vis dokumentSi, romelic rusul 

mediaSi zustad 9 wlis win, 2010 

wels gamoqveynda? _ „qronika+~-s 

specsamsaxuris Tadarigis Tanam- 

Sromeli interviuze im pirobiT 

dasTanxmda, Tu mis vinaobas ar ga- 

vamxeldiT. Cven respondentis- 

Tvis micemul pirobas, rasakvirvelia, 

vasrulebT. aqve aRvniSnavT, 

rom bolo dros onlainsesx- 

ebis bumi, garkveulwilad, Cacxra, 

Tumca arcTu Soreul warsulSi 

am bizness ayvavebis xana edga. Sesabamisad, 

onlainsesxis aReba neb- 

ismier moqalaqes SeeZlo, Tumca, 

rogorc Cveni respondenti am- 

bobs, rigiTi adamiani onlainsesx- 

is aRebisas garkveul procedurebs 

yuradRebas ar aqcevs. Tvi- 

Ton ki, profesiidan gamomdinare, 

sesxis aReba rom daapira, erTi 

garemoeba moxvda TvalSi: 

_ zogadad, im kompaniebis reklamaze 

uamravi fuli ixarjeba, 

rac imas emsaxureba, rom rac Sei- 

Zleba meti adamiani daakabalon da 

am situaciaSi CaiTrion. yvelaferi 

es ki Zalian saSiSia. 

_ ratom? 

_ agixsniT: am kompaniebis vebgverdebze 

SediT da maSinve rusulenovani 

aplikacia „amovardeba”, 

Semdeg ki _ qarTuli. swored 

aqedan gamomdinare vambob, rom am 

kompaniebis umetesoba rusulia! 

_ es, cota ar iyos, ususuri 

argumentia. 

_ mxolod amis gamo ar vambob, 

rom onlain-sesxebis kompaniebis 

umetesoba rusulia. yuradReba 

mivaqcie, rom am kompaniebis udidesi 

nawili erT periodSi _ 2012 

wlis Semdegaa daregistrirebuli. 

aseve aRsaniSnavia, rom es kompaniebi 

bankebsa da mikrosafinanso organizaciebs 

udides konkurencias 

uwevs, rac imaSi gamoixateba, rom 

klientis sakredito istorias ar 

iTvaliswineben, anu romelime bank- 

Tan problemebi romc gqondeT, onlainsesxis 

aRebas mainc moaxerxebT. 

arada, roca bevri sesxi gaqvs 

aRebuli, SeiZleba, gauTvaliswinebeli 

raRac moxdes da „Cavarde”, 

anu Tu erTi organizaciis mimarT 

nakisr valdebulebas ver asruleb, 

avtomaturad, urTierToba sxva 

organizaciebTanac gifuWdeba. 

yvelaferi es ki iseT jaWvSi mogaqcevT, 

Zalianac rom moindomoT, 

ver gawyvetT, dakabalebuli xdebiT 

da didi albaTobiT, qonebis 

dakargvis saSiSroebis winaSec aRmoCndebiT. 

im SemTxvevaSi ki, Tu 

qoneba ar gaqvT, siaruli an sasamarTloSi 

mogiwevT, an SeiZleba, 

viRacam mogakiTxoT. 

_ anu? 

_ daufaravi sesxi Cveulebrivi 

kompromatia, romelic adamianis 

gadasabireblad gamoiyeneba, miT 

umetes, Tu es adamiani sazogadoebrivad 

aqtiuria. ai, swored amis 

gaTvaliswinebiT vambob, rom umetesi 

mikrosafinanso kompaniis ukan 

rusuli specsamsaxurebi dgas, magram, 

samwuxarod, qarTuli specsamsaxurebi 

amas yuradRebas ar 

aqcevs. 

mikrosafinanso organizaciebi 

da maT ukan mdgari specsamsaxurebi 

imiT sargeblobs, rom icis, adamiani, 

romelsac uWirs, yvelaferze 

wamsvlelia, raTa ojaxi gamokvebos 

an wamlis sayidlad fuli 

iSovos da amitom gaWirvebuli 

adamiani yvelaferze Tanaxmaa, maT 

Soris, piradi informacis gacemazec. 

zogadad, nebismieri specsamsaxuri 

ase muSaobs: Tavdapirvelad 

gadmobirebis obieqtze yvelanair 

informacias agrovebs. onlainsesxis 

aRebisas ki specialur aplikaciaSi 

adamiani Tavis Sesaxeb yvelafers 

wers: dabadebis TariRs, 

samuSao adgils, ojaxis wevrTa 

raodenobas, maT saqmianobas, saku- 

Tari telefonis nomers, eleqtronuli 

fostis, aseve sacxovrebeli 

adgilis misamarTs da a. S. yvelaferi 

es ki specsamsaxurs 

muSaobas uadvilebs. 

adre msgavsi cnobebis 

mosagroveblad, 

magaliTad, rusul 

specsamsaxurs 

saqarTveloSi TanamSromeli 

unda gamoegzavna, 

romelic 

dainteresebis 

obieqtTan an mis 

garemocvasTan 

kontaqts amyarebda 

da nel-nela 

igebda, dainteresebis obieqtis, 

vTqvaT, ekonomikuri mdgomareoba 

rogori iyo, an urTierToba romel 

bankTan hqonda. yvela es detali 

specsamsaxurs imisTvis sWirdeba, 

rom dainteresebis obieqt- 

Tan operatiuli kontaqti daamyaros. 

sxvaTa Soris, aucilebeli ar 

aris, rom dainteresebis obieqti 

gavleniani adamiani iyos, magram 

specsamsaxuris yuradReba SeiZleba, 

mainc miipyros. zogadad, specsamsaxurisTvis 

saintereso, rogorc 

wesi, saSualo fenaa xolme. 

amas garda, am onlainsesxebis 

daxmarebiT erTgvari baza keTdeba, 

anu yvelaferi erT dReze araa 

gaTvlili da adamianma, romelsac 

axla mZime finansuri problemebi 

aqvs, xval-zeg, SeiZleba, sadme „amoyvinTos”, 

vTqvaT, deputati gaxdes. 

es sabaziso Teoriaa, rasac specsamsaxurebis 

muSaoba emyareba da 

Sen, rogorc specsamsaxurma, amas 

winaaRmdegoba rom gauwio, yvelafris 

modelireba unda moaxdino. 

sxvaTa Soris, saqarTveloSi 

Zalovani uwyebebidan, kerZod, Tavdacvis 

saministrodan, Zalian bevri 

adamiania gaSvebuli, romelic 

informaciis matarebelia. igive SeiZleba 

iTqvas eqimebze, veteranebze, 

mecnierebze da maTTan operatiuli 

kavSiris damyareba yvela 

ucxo qveynis specsamsaxurisTvis 

xelsayrelia. 

_ SeiZleba, magram im informacias, 

romelsac adamiani onlains- 

esxebis kompaniebs sakuTari nebiT 

aZlevs, specsamsaxuri mainc, 

rogor iyenebs? 

_ im aplikaciis mixedviT, romelsac 

adamiani onlainsesxis aRebisas 

avsebs, specsamsaxuri, pirvel 

rigSi, mis finansur mdgomareobas 

adgens, rac zemoqmedebis 

erT-erTi saukeTeso berketia. 

_ anu? 

_ mas Semdeg, rac es informacia 

specsamsaxuris xelSi moxvdeba, 

misi warmomadgeneli an, sulac, 

bankis TanamSromeli mova da getyviT, 

axla mZime finansur situaciaSi 

xar, problemas mogigvareb, 

magram Seni daxmareba mWirdebao. 

es daxmareba ki SeiZleba imaSi gamoixatos, 

rom Tu adamiani politikuri 

partiis wevria, sTxovon, 

rom maTi kadri partiaSi daasaqmos. 

es ukve operatiuli kombinaciaa. 

amasTan, gamoricxuli arc is 

aris, rom yvelaferi es geografiul 

arealze iyos gaTvlili, saidanac 

specsamsaxuri mosaxleobisgan 

maqsimalur informacias miiRebs. 

am mxriv ki yvelaze mowyvladi 

saqarTvelos is regionebia, romelic 

eTnikuri araqarTvelebiT 

aris dasaxlebuli. 

_ personalur informacias 

adamiani socialur qselSi daregistrirebis 

drosac gascems. Sesabamisad, 

specsamsaxurs infor- 

maciis miReba am gziTac SeuZlia? 

_ diax, asea. 

Tu adre specsamsaxuri konkretul 

pirovnebaze informacias 

miiRebda, misi sacxovrebeli Tu 

`putinis mier saqarTvelos 

istoriis damaxinjebis fonze 

mniSvnelovania, rom bolo dros 

samegreloSi, Cemi informaciiT, 

bevri saeWvo warmomavlobis 

arasamTavrobo organizacia Seiqmna, 

romelsac Cvenma specsamsaxurebma 

yuradReba unda miaqcion!~ 

samuSao adgilis dasadgenad samisamarTo 

biuroSi midioda. axla ki 

yvelaferi es socialurma qselma 

gaamartiva. 

Tu am monacemebs qveynis specsamsaxuri 

iyenebs, dasaSvebi da misaRebia, 

magram roca am informacias 

ucxo qveynis specsamsaxuri 

iyenebs, es Cveulebrivi ZirgamomTxreli 

saqmianobaa. 

mokled, socialuri qseli martivi 

saSualebaa, rom dainteresebul 

qveyanaSi konkretul segmentze 

specsamsaxurma informacia 

swrafad moipovos da Sesabamisad, 

operatiuli RonisZiebebic swrafadve 

dagegmos. 

_ am logikiT saqarTvelos 

yoveli meore moqalaqe rusuli 

specsamsaxuris operatiuli me- 

Tvalyureobis qveSaa, radgan sa- 

qarTveloSi socialuri qselebic 

aqtualuria da onlainsesxebic. 

_ ki batono, asea. 

ise, analogiuri sqemiT mxolod 

rusuli ki ara, SeiZleba, dasavle- 

Tis qveynebis specsamsaxurebic 

muSaobdnen, Tumca onlainsesxebis 

is kompaniebi, romlebic bolo 

dros gaaqtiurdnen, rusulia! yvelafer 

amis ukan, SeiZleba, kerZo 

biznesi dgas, magram ar gamikvirdeba, 

Tuki es kerZo biznesi rusul 

specsamsaxurebze iqneba mibmuli. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, is 

baza, romelic am onlainsesxebis 

kompaniebiT 

keTdeba, Tavs sadRac 

iyris da es „sadRac” 

ruseTi, ufro sworad, 

rusuli specsamsaxurebia, 

romelic 

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis 

absolutur 

umravlesoba- 

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ze umniSvnelovanes informacias 

flobs! 

yvelaferi, rasac axla geubnebiT, 

rigiT adamians SeiZleba, 

warmoudgenlad moeCvenos, magram 

isini, vinc saqmeSi arian Caxedulni, 

mixvdebian, rasac vambob. 

specsamsaxuri yvela adamians 

erTnairi sazomiT ar udgeba, Tumca 

igive onlainsesxebi socialuri 

mdgomareobis Seswavlis SesaniSnavi 

saSualebaa, anu analitikuri 

centrebi yvela detals aanalizebs, 

vTqvaT, onlainkompaniebs 

romel raionSi ufro meti momxmarebeli 

hyavs. mokled, es Sesani- 

Snavi socialuri kvlevaa, rac 

specsamsaxurebs imisTvis sWirdeba, 

rom destruqcia dagegmos! Cvenma 

specsamsaxurebma swored amas 

unda miaqcion yuradReba. 

sxvaTa Soris, yvelafer amaze 

da aseve sxva Temebze „ruseTis 

strategiuli kvlevebis centris” 

im dokumentSia laparaki, romelic 

erT-erTma rusulma saagentom, 

jer kidev, 2010 wels gamoaqveyna. 

werils xels awers vinme andrei 

epifancevi. 

_ es epifancevi specsamsaxuris 

TanamSromelia? 

_ ara, Jurnalistia, magram werili 


institutisgan miwodebul 

masalebze dayrdnobiT dawera. es 

Zalian vrceli werilia, magram 

detalebs ar CavuRrmavdebi da 

ZiriTad postulatebze gavakeTeb 

aqcents. 

am dokumentis e. w. aRwerilobiT 

nawilSi noe Jordanias eTnikuri 

megrelobaa xazgasmuli. aseve 

zviad gamsaxurdias megrelobazec 

aris laparaki da miniSneba imaze 

keTdeba, rom mixeil saakaSvili 

naxevrad megrelia da am konteqst- 

Si xazgasmulia, rom saqarTvelo- 

Si mcxovrebi sxva eTnikuri umciresobebisgan 

gansxvavebiT, megrelebi 

avtonomiisTvis ar ibrZvian, anu 

rusebi xazs usvamen, megrelebi 

qarTuli eTnosis warmomadgenlebi 

ar arian, magram saqarTveloSi 

pirvelobisTvis ibrZvian, Tumca 

zviad gamsaxurdias proeqti Cavarda, 

rasac samoqalaqo omi moyvao. 

werilSi aseve naTqvamia, rom megrelebs 

imedi „vardebis revoluciis” 

merec gaucruvdaT, radgan 

egonaT, saakaSvilis daxmarebiT 

megruli anklavi gaimarjvebda, 

Tumca ase ar moxdao. 

aqve xazgasmiT aRvniSnav, rom 

saqarTveloSi „megruli separatizmi” 

ar arsebobs. ase rom iyos, 

simon janaSia da sxva cnobili 

megrelebi, SeiZleba, saflavSi 

trialebdnen! 

meore mimarTuleba, razedac 

ruseTis „ideuri mamebi” aqcents 

akeTeben, isaa, rom saqarTveloSi 

megruli ena iCagreba da saqarTvelo 

yovelTvis mcire imperia iyo, 

romelic didi imperiebis daxmarebiT 

mcire erebsa da eTnosebs Cagravs. 

es e. w. argumenti imas emsaxureba, 

rom samegreloSi separatistuli 

ganwyobebi gaaRvivon. 

2010 wels gamoqveynebul epifancevis 

werilSi aseve naTqvamia, 

ruseTSi elodnen, rom samegrelo- 

Si avtonomiis moTxovniT gamosvlebi 

daiwyeboda, magram moskovur 

elitas imedi gaucruvda, radgan 

megruli eTnosis bunebas kargad 

ar icnobs da ar icis, rom megrelebs 

samegrelos avtonomia ki ara, 

centris skandaluri dokumenti 

mTeli saqarTvelos marTva unda- 

To. 

mokled, epifancevis am weril- 

Si Zalian mZime mesijebia, rac e. w. 

eTnikur niadagze SuRlis gaRvivebas 

emsaxureba, magram yvelaferi 

es TiTidanaa gamowovili. 

paralelurad, epifancevi wers, 

rom megrelebs, afxazebisgan gansxvavebiT, 

saerTaSoriso mxardaWera 

ar aqvT. 

_ saerTaSoriso mxardaWera 

arc afxazebs aqvT. 

_ diax, magram epifancevi „saer- 

TaSoriso mxardaWeraSi”, rogorc 

Cans, kremls gulisxmobs. amave 

konteqstSi werilis avtori 

eTnikur azerbaijanelebsa 

da somxebsac axsenebs, 

romelTac, misi TqmiT, 

istoriuli samSoblo 

aqvT, romelic gadamwyvet 

momentSi, SeiZleba, 

maT mekavSired mogvevlinos. 

aseTi sam- 

Soblo megrelebs ar 

aqvT da amitom maTi 

mTavari xelSemwyobi 

ruseTi unda gaxdes, 

anu ruseTma qarTulmegruli 

„dapirispireba” 

„saerTaSoriso WrilSi” 

unda gadaiyvanoso. 

amave konteqstSi epifancevi 

regionul enebzec saubrobs da 

evrosabWos dadgenilebasac axsenebs, 

sadac megrul, rogorc 

regionul enaze, araferia naTqvami. 

„megrelebs megrul enaze 

swavlis ufleba unda hqondeT!” _ 

wers epifancevi da amiT aqcents, 

praqtikulad, kulturul avtonomiazec 

akeTebs. 

am werilis mesame da ZiriTadi 

mimarTuleba axalgazrdobaa, anu 

am gegmis mixedviT, samegreloSi 

situacia SeiZleba, 10-15 arasamTavrobo 

organizaciam arios, Tu 

Sesabamisi dafinanseba eqneba. 

es kremlis strategiis taqtikuri 

gegmaa, romlis mixedviTac, 

gali saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg ZirgamomTxreli 

saqmianobis mTavari 

centri unda gaxdes, Tan isic unda 

gaviTvaliswinoT, rom, Tavis 

èpifancevis am werilSi 

Zalian mZime mesijebia, 

rac e. w. eTnikur 

niadagze SuRlis 

gaRvivebas emsaxureba, 

magram yvelaferi es 

TiTidanaa gamowovili~ 

droze, bevri galeli partizanul 

moZraobaSi iyo CarTuli. am partizanuli 

moZraobis raRac nawili 

SeiZleba dRes aRar arsebobs, magram 

ruseTs ZirgamomTxreli 

saqmianobis mcdelobebi maSinac 

hqonda, roca partizanuli moZraobebi, 

ase vTqvaT, zenitSi iyo. 

rasac axla vityvi, SeiZleba, 

bevrs ar esiamovnos, magram partizanebis 

nawili meore mxaresTan 

TanamSromlobda. 

`zogjer ise xdeba, rom 

agents konservaciaze 

ayeneben, anu davalebebs 

ar aZleven, magram Tu, 

magaliTad, 

Tanamdebobaze moxvdeba, 

maSin aaqtiureben~ 

_ anu? 

_ xSirad ruxis xidze kontrabanda 

erToblivad gadmohqondaT, 

raSic mxolod partizanebi ki ara, 

Sss-s TanamSromlebic iyvnen CarTulebi, 

maT Soris, isinic, vinc 

dRes ruseTisa Tu saqarTvelos 

parlamentidan gvarigeben Wkuas! 

ise, maSin korufciis xarisxi Zalian 

maRali iyo, rac, praqtikulad, 

„vardebis revoluciis” sababi 

gaxda, Tumca dRes am mimarTulebiT 

ufro meti safrTxe arsebobs. 

epifancevis werilSi aqcenti 

ZiriTadad axalgazrdebze keTdeba, 

romelTac Sesabamisi arc ganaTleba 

aqvT da arc _ codna. am 

mxriv gansakuTrebiT mowyvladi 

galis axalgazrdobaa. sxvaTa Soris, 

galis skolebSi saqarTvelos 

istoria wlebia, aRar iswavleba, 

rac qarTvelebis saqarTvelosTan 

gaucxoebas iwvevs... 

putinis mier saqarTvelos istoriis 

damaxinjebis fonze mniSvnelovania, 

rom bolo dros samegreloSi, 

Cemi informaciiT, bevri 

saeWvo warmomavlobis arasam- 

Tavrobo organizacia Seiqmna, 

romelsac Cvenma specsamsaxurebma 

yuradReba unda miaqcion! 

zogadad, specsamsaxurma operatiuli 

viTareba am regionSi unda 

gadaitanos, radgan Tu iq ganxeTqilebis 

safuZveli gaCnda da ganxeTqilebis 

borbali datrialda, 

amas veRaravin gaaCerebs! 

zogi ambobs, rom rusuli specsamsaxurebidan 

ÃÐÓ yvelaze Zlieria, 

magram mis operatiul momsaxurebas 

samxedro kontrdazvervis, 

anu „asobi otdelis” TanamSromlebi 

awarmoeben. „operatiuli momsaxureba” 

agenturis SeZenasa da 

sxva operatiul saqmianobas niSnavs 

da xvdebiT, saubari ramxela 

gavlenazea? 

sxvaTa Soris, ÃÐÓ-s „akvariums” 

eZaxian, radgan Zalian Sekrulia da 

mis aseT struqturad CamoyalibebaSi 

didi roli samxedro kontrdazvervam 

iTamaSa. 

saerTod, ZirgamomTxreli 

saqmianoba, diversiis 

garda, pirvel rigSi, 

jaris brZolisunarianobis 

daknineba, SpionaJi, 

anu SeiaraRebul ZalebSi 

SeRwevaa. samxedro 

kontrdazverva 

ki is struqturaa, romelic 

SeiaraRebul 

Zalebs ucxo qveynis 

specsamsaxurebis SeRwevisgan 

icavs, Tumca 

dRes kacma ar icis, am 

kuTxiT Tavdacvis saministroSi 

ra xdeba... Tavdacvis 

saministros bevr TanamSromelze 

mxolod kiTxvis 

niSnebi ki ara, saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis 

samsaxuris arqivSi 

daleqili masalac arsebobs. 

rom icodeT, SantaJi mxolod 

rusuli ki ara, yvela qveynis specsamsaxuris 

maxasiaTebelia, magram 

SantaJiT SeZenili agentura sando 

ar aris. es specsamsaxurebmac ician 

da amitom, wlebis ganmavloba- 

Si, specsamsaxuris mxridan fsiqologiuri 

zewolis mTeli rigi 

jaWvi xorcieldeba, raTa SantaJiT 

gadabirebuli agentis fsiqika- 

Si SeRweva da misi sxva safuZvliT 

gadabireba moxdes. 

_ „sxva safuZvlebi” ra aris? 

_ magaliTad, materialuri 

daintereseba, aseve tvinis gamor- 

ecxva da ase yalibdeba gavlenis 

agentura. zogjer ise xdeba, rom 

agents konservaciaze ayeneben, anu 

davalebebs ar aZleven, magram Tu, 

magaliTad, Tanamdebobaze moxvdeba, 

maSin aaqtiureben. 

_ davalebis misacemad agents 

uSiSroebaSi ibareben? 

_ ara, saamisod specialuri sa- 

Sualebebi arsebobs _ teqnika, Suamavali 

an rezidenti. 

_ rezidentsa da agents Soris 

ra gansxvavebaa? 

_ rezidenti agenturul qsels 

xelmZRvanelobs. 

_ anu rezidenti ufro maRali 

Cinis matarebelia? 

_ ra Tqma unda. saerTod, yvela 

saelCo oficialuri rezidenturaa, 

Tumca aralegaluri rezidenturac 

arsebobs... 

P. S. epifancevis werils, ro- 

melic, Cveni respondentis TqmiT, 


centris erTgvari samuSao doku- 

mentia, Tavis droze, anu 2010 

wels, qarTulma mxarem saTanado 

yuradReba ar miaqcia. arada, 

dRes, roca ruseTis prezidenti 

saqarTvelos istoriis gaukuR- 

marTebas cdilobs, TvalnaTelia, 

rom yvelaferi, rac axla xdeba, 

rusuli specsamsaxurebis mier 

wlebis winaT daigegma. 

ase rom, rogorc ityvian, asi 

yuri da asi Tvali gvmarTebs, 

raTa isev rusuli specsamsaxure- 

bis xafangSi ar gavyoT Tavi da im 

avadsaxsenebel 90-ian wlebSi ar 

davbrundeT, roca CrdiloeTis 

xelSewyobiT erTmaneTs daverieT 

da sakuTari qveynis dedaqalaqi 

lamis nacartutad vaqcieT! 

da kidev erTi: epifancevi 

ruseTSi, rogorc ityvian, SemTxveviTi 

figura ar aris da is Sesa- 

Zloa, kremlis erT-erT ideologadac 

miviCnioT, ris dastura- 

dac prorusuli ganwyobebiT cno- 

bili „saqinformisTvis” micemuli 

misi interviuc gamodgeba: 

„me ar var politikosi da Semi- 

Zlia iseTi ramis Tqma, rasac oficialuri 

pirebi ar amboben. Rrmad 

var darwmunebuli, rom saqarTvelos 

Tavisi istoriuli, geografiuli, 

politikuri Tu naTesauri 

rusuli fesvebiT, ubralod, badali 

ar hyavs. rac Seexeba natoSi 

integracias, saqarTvelosTvis es 

nabiji SesaZloa, ufskrulSi gada- 

Cexvis tolfasi gaxdes. me vewinaaRmdegebi 

am process, es daazaralebs 

rogorc ruseTis, ise 

saqarTvelos interesebs. xSirad 

vekiTxebi Cems studentebs, ra Sei- 

Zleba momxdariyo im SemTxvevaSi, 

Tu 2008 wlis 8 agvistos saqarTvelo 

natos wevri iqneboda? me ar 

maqvs am SekiTxvaze pasuxi. albaT, 

birTvuli raketebi ar gamoemarTeboda 

saqarTvelosken, magram 

Zalian cudi iqneboda, Tuki nato 

da ruseTi saqarTvelos teritoriaze 

saomar moqmedebebs ganaxorcielebdnen”, 

_ es aris amonaridi 

epifancevis interviudan, romelic 

2012 wlis 28 nomebriT TariRdeba 

da romelic man, rogorc aRvniSneT, 

prorusuli ganwyobebiT 

gamorCeul „saqinforms” misca. 

epifancevis am „citatidanac” TvalnaTelia, 

Tu ra gegmebi aqvs 

kremls saqarTveloSi. 

mokled, frTxilad, batonebo _ 

Crdiloeli ar gvexsneba! 

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Tu amJamindel viTarebas gavaanalizebT, 

didad araferi Secvlila, 

garemoebebis garda, Torem 

mocemuloba igive darCa _ „qveyana 

axal batons eZebs”... ra ratom? 

ganvmeordebi: faqtia _ qarTvelebs 

batonis gareSe cxovreba ar 

SegviZlia. jer kidev kanti ambobda: 

„adamiani aris cxoveli, romelsac 

sWirdeba batoni”. es filosofiuri 

kanoni imdenad mogvwons 

qarTvelebs, rom batonis gareSe 

cxovreba azrs kargavs. sabWoTa periodma 

gansakuTrebuli roli iTamaSa 

am Stampis SesisxlxorcebaSi. 

lenini, stalini, mere isev _ mkvdari 

lenini da mudam Cvens guleb- 

Si mcxovrebi „koba”. rodesac qarTvelebma 

gaacnobieres, rom mxolod 

mkvdrebi ver uSvelidnen, imis 

miuxedavad, rom xmamaRla gahyvirodnen: 

„ar momkvdara, cocxalia”, 

patara belad-batonebis Zebna 

daiwyes _ vasil pavloviCi, eduard 

ambrosoviCi, jumber iliCi. 

cota xniT gumbariZe… damoukideblobis 

Jams _ gamsaxurdia, mere 

isev eduardi, „giJi miSa” da axla 

„mesia biZina”. is, rom SigadaSig 

mavani da mavani wvril-wvril belad-patronebs 

eZebda da eTayvaneboda, 

es sulac ar akninebs didi 

beladebisTvis „imedis” TvaliT 

cqeris netarebas”. 

*** 

roca biZina ivaniSvili politikaSi 

mobrunda, yvelaze skeptikurad 

ganwyobilebsac ki gauCndaT 

gancda, rom stagnaciaSi myofi 

qveyana gamoRviZebas daiwyebda. 

ras vgulisxmob? rom daiwyeboda 

raime saxis reformebi, gaCndeboda 

imedi da adamianebis politikuri 

Tu sazogadoebriv-ekonomikuri 

dRis wesrigi pozitivisken 

Seicvleboda. 

magram... magram... modiT, „ocnebis” 

yvelaze Tavgadaklul momxreebs 

an, gnebavT, obieqtur msajulebs 

hkiTxeT, dagisaxelon „ocnebis” 

mier gatarebuli xuTi reforma. 

uceb Camoarakrakon... an Tundac 

Tqven, vinc am striqonebs kiTxulobT, 

uceb miTxariT... ra problemaa 

xuTi reformis CamoTvla? _ 

e, biWo, ujikeT vinmem an ukarnaxeT... 

a, ho, Tumca mec ver vixseneb 

da Tqvengan ras viTxov? xuTs 

naRdad ver vixseneb veranairad, 

erTs ki _ imasac arasrulfasovans 

_ jandacvas vgulisxmob. 

roca biZina ivaniSvili politikaSi 

mobrunda, kidev erTi masala 

davwere mis meore as dReze 

(pirveli premierobisas hqonda da 

arc is asi dRe gamitarebia uyuradRebod), 

im survilebsa da amocanebze, 

romelic partiis lideris 

winaSe idga. 

ise, Zalian mecineba, roca „ocnebis” 

Sesaxeb davfiqrdebi. mgoni, 

es seni, razedac vicini, zogadpartiuli 

da zogadsaxelisufleboa. 

ai, magaliTad, arc „nacebs” moswodaT 

araTu kritika da SeniSvnebi, 

pozitiuri ideac ki, romelic SesaZloa, 

sxvas gasCenoda. ubralod, 

isini, met-naklebad, Wkvianebi iyvnen, 

anu im sxvas ideis avtors an 

sakuTar gundSi eZaxdnen, an ideis 

ganxorcielebis uflebas iRebdnen 

ise, rom avtors krinti ar unda 

daeZra an garkveuli drois Semdeg 

am ideas ufro koxtad SefuTavdnen 

da ise waradgendnen, rom veravis 

eqneboda pretenzia saavtoro 

uflebebze. 

eseni ki, rogorc bebiaCemma 

icoda Tqma, ebraelebisgan dawyevlilebs 

hgvanan: arc Tavad ician 

da arc sxvisi gaegonebaT. 

mokled, biZina ivaniSvilma is 

asi dRec gaflanda da Semdgomi 

dReebic miayola. saprezidento 

arCevnebis meore turis win gamo- 

Txovili erTi wlis umetesi droc 

gailia. da axla sazogadoebaSi mosalodnel 

reformebze aravin 

fiqrobs. 

*** 

araerTxel gamikritikebia saxelisuflebo 

piari. mqonda amis 

safuZveli da sul ramdenime xnis 

win isev gavimeore Cemi mosazreba 

erT Tanamdebobis pirTan araformaluri 

Sexvedris dros. dameTanxma 

_ susti wertilia namdvilado 

da uceb „magram” warmosTqva da 

imdenad ususuri argumentebi moiyvana 

piarmamebis dasacavad, rom 

uxerxulad vigrZeni Tavi. imitom, 

rom es adamiani namdvilad ar gaxlavT 

idioti da briyvi. mere uceb 

aseTi ram vuTxari: Tqven imas xom 

ar fiqrobT, vinc am ugergilo, uxeiro 

da saxelmwifosTvis damazianebel 

piarze da personebis arakvalificiurobaze 

saubrobs, 

vinmes Tanamdebobas umiznebdes? 

piradad me RmerTma damifaros, 

saxelmwifo ziandeba, Torem „ocnebis” 

politikur momavalze ver 

vidardeb-meTqi. gaukvirda, albaT, 

Sinaganad marTla fiqrobda: „kritikosebs” 

Tanamdebobebi undaTo”. 

iciT, ratom gavixsene es ambavi? 

mxolod imitom, rom am idiot piarmamebs 

vuTxra, _ marTla Tqveni 

skami ki ar unda vinmes an Tqvens 

pirovnul an partiul bedze ki ar 

vzrunavT, rodesac qveyanas azianebT 

Tqveni uvicobiT da degeneratobiT, 

ra Tqma unda, protesti 

gviCndeba. an rodesac rCevas vi- 

ZleviT, imaze ki ar vfiqrobT, rogor 

gamovZvreT viTarebidan da 

Tqvens Svilebs rogor miarTvaT 

orjer meti nazuqi, aramed imaze, 

rom es qveyana ufskrulSi ar gadaCexoT. 

ai, 2017 wlis 22 ivnisis weril- 

Si aseTi ram miweria piarze: arasodes 

momwonda „ocnebis” _ biZina 

ivaniSvilis piari (ar gavmijnav, 

radganac, rodesac vambobT „ocnebas”, 

vgulisxmobT biZinas da rodesac 

vambobT biZinas, vgulisxmobT 

„ocnebas”.) Tumca es Tavad ivaniSvilis 

gemovnebis sakiTxia, Tu 

imaze Tvals davxuWavT, rom nebismieri 

araprofesionalizmi qveyanas 

vnebs da saxelmwifos azianebs. 

axla is viTarebaa, rom biZina 

ivaniSvili bolomde ver unda endos 

sakuTar gemovnebas. iciT, rogoraa 

saqme? ai, kulinariulad 

rom avxsna, radgan gemovnebaze vsaubrob: 

saxlSi muslimi an ebraeli 

stumari rom dapatiJo da sufris 

centSi Roris Tavi dado. mere rom 

mixvdebi, miqare, es Tavi gaatanino, 

magram yvela kerZSi Roris xorci 

iyos gareuli. anu wess, adaTsa 

da tradicias rom Seuracxyof 

stumrisas da mainc daJinebiT moiTxov, 

sufra aravin datovos. axla 

isic gaviazroT, rom sufraze 

_ meniuze pasuxismgebeli piri iqve, 

am Seuracxyofili adamianebis TandaswrebiT 

Seaqe _ xom advili gansasazRvria 

am wveulebis Sedegi, 

damokidebuleba da procesebis Semdgomi 

ganviTareba? raoden gulwrfelic 

ar unda yofiliyo im 

wveulebis mTavari maspinZeli sakuTar 

zraxvebSi st- da maT mimarT 

pativiscemaSi, xvdebiT, ra uCaliCes 

menius Semdgenelma Tu mzareulebma? 

asea, raoden gulwrfelic 

ar unda iyos batoni ivaniSvili 

saqarTvelos samomavalo gabrwyinebis 

saqmeSi, faqtia, rom es saqme 

metwilad idiotebsa da degeneratebs 

miando. gansakuTrebiT piaris 

nawilSi. marTalia, arc sxvagan 

brwyinaven, magram aq sruli 

marazmi xdeba. 

*** 

iseve amonaridi, kants moviSvelieb: 

„uzenaesi beladi TviTon 

unda iyos samarTliani da miuxedavad 

amisa, unda iyos adamiani. es 

amocana urTulesi amocanaa Sesasruleblad. 

ar arsebobs masze 

ufro rTuli amocana...” 

ivaniSvilisa da saxelmwifos- 

Tvis samwuxarod, samarTlianobis 

lozungiT saxelmwifos saTaveSi 

qveyana isev axal 

batons eZebs anu 

keTili rCeva 

biZina ivaniSvils 

mosuli „ocneba” iseTive usamarTlo 

aRmoCnda, rogoric misi winamorbedebi 

da uaresic _ man wina 

xelisuflebebis yvela ugvanoba 

gaaumjobesa. is, rom „maSin, im 9 

wels” raRac cudad iyo, srulebi- 

Tac ar niSnavs, rom axla arsebobs 

cudad moqcevis, marTvisa da saqmianobis 

legitimacia. ubralod, 

is, rac axla xdeba xelisuflebisa 

da misi mxardamWerebis samarTalia, 

romelic mudam „marTalia” da 

sabolood Tavisi samarTali 

klavs. 

*** 

da mainc, erTxelac gavriskav 

da vityvi, ra SeiZleba axla iyos 

gamosavali: gaviazroT, rom putinis 

„Caxuteba” iudas ambors hgavs, 

aseve SevTanxmdeT, es qveyana _ saxelmwifo, 

arCevnebamde unda mivides 

da am gzaze minimaluri sagareo 

da saSinao ziani unda vnaxoT. 

Tumca cxadia, rom xelisufleba 

absoluturad demoralizebulia 

da es mdgomareoba, calkeuli 

spikerebis rixis miuxedavad, 

ukve mocemulobaa. isic cxadia, 

rom 2020 wlamde qveyanaSi Tundac 

minimaluri raRacebi unda gakeTdes, 

Tundac puri gaiyidos maRaziebSi 

da am puris yidva yvelaze 

umweo adamianebmac unda SeZlon. 

es procesi avtopilotiT ver 

gan-orcieldeba, amitom parlamet- 

Si sakonstitucio, sakanonmdeblo 

cvlilebebis paralelurad aucilebelia 

sxva fundamenturi procesebic. 

kerZod: 

pirveli _ mTavrobis sruli 

SemadgenlobiT daTxovna da aq namdvilad 

ar aqvs mniSvneloba, vin 

rogori ministri iyo. es politikuri 

tvirTi da nabijia, romelic 

biZina ivaniSvilma da „qarTulma 

ocnebam” unda gadadgas. axla 

viRac metyvis: kadrebi? ramdenic 

gnebavT, imdeni profesionalia am 

qveyanaSi da es ar gaxlavT problema. 

vsaubrob profesionalze, 

romlisTvisac saxelmwifos interesebia 

umTavresi da dabejiTebiT 

vici, rom isini am erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi 

saxelmwifos namdvilad 

ar daazianeben; 

meore _ axal ministrTa kabinets, 

konkretulad premier-ministrs 

mieces moqmedebis sruli 

kartblanSi, rac gulisxmobs myisieri 

gadawyvetilebebis SesaZleblobas, 

raTa qarTuli ekonomika 

ar CamoiSalos da Rataki da Raribi 

mosaxleobis raodenoba kidev 

ufro ar gaizardos; 

es gadawyvetileba SesaZlebels 

gaxdida, winasaarCevnod politikuri 

procesebi, met-naklebad, stabilur 

fazaSi gadasuliyo da 

arCevnebmade mTavari Zalisxmeva 

mimarTuliyo gare safrTxeebis minimalizebisa 

da ekonomikuri mdgradobisken. 

aqac pirvel punqts 

Sevavseb _ cvlilebis pirobebSi 

mTavroba unda gadadges sruli SemadgenlobiT 

da araviTar SemTxvevaSi 

ar unda moxdes romelime 

moqmedi ministris premierad wardgena. 

axla viRac Semomedaveba _ 

„es” ministri kargia da ratom wavides? 

an saerTod mTavroba ratom 

unda gadadges? imis gamo, rom 

quCaSi ramdenime axalgazrda cekvavs, 

mReris da gaxarias gadadgomas 

moiTxovs? 

ise, am „simRerasa da cekva-TamaSze” 

maCabeli gamaxsenda... romeli? 

rogor migaxvedroT? ai, lados 

„saRaRobo” gaxsovT? ho, ai, es: 

„...daukariT! da imRereT ise magrad, 

rom filtvebi gvetkinos da 

dagveberos! 

daukariT, rom Wabukni viyoT 

marad, 

rom cxovrebam verasdros ver 

dagvaberos! 

daukariT! da imRereT Sadiani, 

ficxel omSi rom mReroda ma- 

Cabeli. 

daukariT Zveleburi dardiani, 

daukariT arwivebis asafreni!..” 

amitom eg simRera ritmSi nu 

agayolebT fexs, sxva datvirTva 

aqvs magas, sxva politikuri mdgeneli, 

romelsac, ratomRac, „ocnebaSi” 

ver igeben. es is simReraa 

swored _ ficxel omSi rom mReroda... 

da gareT RirebulebaTa omia 

merwmuneT... omi, romelsac nebismier 

SemTxvevaSi erTi gamarjvebuli 

eyoleba _ qarTveli xalxi da 

cudi, Zalian cudi iqneba Tu 

qarTveli xalxis nawili am omis 

Sedegad unda damarcxdes. nuTu, 

erTad ver unda SevZloT erTxel 

mainc gamarjveba da Tan ise, rom 

aranairi mniSvneloba ar hqondes, 

vin xelisuflebaSia da vin _ 

opoziciaSi. 

*** 

diax, „qveyana axal batons eZebs”, 

iciT, rogor minda, rom es batoni 

ar iyos arc didi politikosi, 

arc didi fulis patroni, arc 

gamorCeulad Wkviani an pirwavardnili 

TaRliTi da Sarlatani. iciT, 

rogor minda, rom erTxel mainc 

moiZebnos Rirseuli batoni _ 

gamocdili, Tavdadebuli, madlieri, 

gonieri da mamaci. viRac ityvis, 

_ Sexede, axal dimitri gelovans 

eZebso. ara, SecdiT _ zustad 

vici, visac veZeb am qveynis batonad 

_ mis udidebulesoba saqarTvelos 

moqalaqeebs! moqalaqeebs, romlebic 

miSas da biZinas damarcxebisTvis 

ki ar daupirispirdebian er- 

TmaneTs, aramed imave miSasTan da 

biZinasTan erTad gamarjvebisTvis! 

gamarjvebuli saqarTvelosTvis 

gaswiraven yvelafers, rac gaaCniaT... 

mokled, ase, „qveyana kvlav axal 

batons eZebs” da axla biZina ivaniSvilma 

unda gadadgas iseTi nabiji, 

rom es „batoni” uamravi gare 

da Sida safrTxis, gamowvevis, mimdinare 

procesebis gaTvaliswinebiT 

putini ar aRmoCndes. 

isev Semotena putinio, ityvis 

viRac, magram asea da ra vqna!.. 

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dakarguli simarTle da sistemis mZime kvali 

vato gelaSvili erT-erTi maT- 

levan qemokliZe 

gania, romelmac „nacionaluri 

593 16 01 40 

moZraobis” xelisuflebis pirobebSi 

qveyanaSi damkvidrebuli us- 

amarTloba sakuTar Tavze gamoscada. ratom gaxda is ukanono 

patimari da izeima Tu ara samarTlianobis aRdgena axali xe- 

lisuflebis pirobebSi? 

am da sxva saintereso faqte- 

bze „qronika+~-s esaubreba saxalxo 

moZraoba „SeaCere korufciis” 

damfuZnebeli, vato gelaS- 

vili: 

_ 2004 wlidan Sps „biTumSi” 

muSad daviwye muSaoba. kompania 

ekuTvnoda mamaCemis bavSvobis megobar 

Tamaz kvinikaZes da daviT 

kilasonias. igi mdebareobda da 

dResac mdebareobs lilos dasaxlebaSi. 

im dros sawarmos direqtori 

da xelmZRvaneli vladimer 

sayvareliZe iyo. 2011 wlis maisSi 

sayvareliZesTan da Sps „biTumis” 

imdroindel direqtor ioseb gergeSeliZesTan 

erTad CamovayalibeT 

Sps „kreativi”, romlis damfuZneblad 

da direqtorad davregistrirdi 

me. sawarmo ZiriTadad 

awarmoebda mazuTsa da biTums. vfiqrob, 

rom es saqme dResac Zalian 

kargad vici da didi mondomebiT 

daviwye muSaoba. Sps „kreativs” ijariT 

aRebuli hqonda 1000 kv.m. farTobi, 

masze damagrebuli SenobanagebobiT. 

teritoria ekuTvnoda 

Tamaz kvinikaZis qaliSvil Tamar 

kvinikaZes. ilia dalaqiSvili ki, 

romelic vladimer sayvareliZis 

megobari iyo, mas Semdeg gavicani, 

rac kompaniis teritoriaze Semoitana 

da rezervuarSi moaTavsa ra- 

Rac produqcia, romliTac arasdros 

davinteresebulvar, radgan 

am adamianebs absoluturad vendobodi. 

dalaqiSvili Cvens rezervuarebs 

iyenebda da es saerTod ar 

mimaCnda saeWvod. ilia dalaqiSvili 

2000-2003 wlebSi msxvili nav- 

Tobimportiori iyo da rogorc 

mere aRmoCnda, swored mis mimarT 

arsebobda garkveuli interesi. Sps 

„kreativma” xuTi Tve imuSva da saxelmwifos 

biujetSi 210 000 lari 

gadaixada, es ar iyo mcire Tanxa. 

2011 wels ilia dalaqiSvilisgan 

160 tona navTobnarCeni viyide, romliTac 

Sps „kreativSi” mazuTsa da 

sagzao biTums vamzadebdi. swored 

am faqtidan daiwyo problemebi. 

pirvelad Cemi Zma daakaves, romelic 

mxolod muSa iyo da akontrolebda 

tvirTis miRebas, daluqvasa 

da gaxsnas. mokled, Tornike daakaves 

da kompaniidan dokumentacia 

waiRes. dakavebisas Tornikem saer- 

Tod araferi icoda arc rezervuarisa 

da arc am Sesyidvis Sesaxeb, 

Sesabamisad, dakiTxvazec veraferi 

Tqva. tenderSi monawileobis 

misaRebad foTSi sabuTebi 

unda Cametana, Tumca iqamde ar 

vapirebdi wasvlas, sanam Cemi Zmis 

dakavebis mizezebs ar gavigebdi. 

dakiTxvis Semdeg Tornike gamouSves 

Tu ara, damireka, _ miSveben da 

Sens saqmes mixedeo. amaT ifiqres, 

rom „saqmis mixedva” gaqcevas niSnavda, 

amitom ar daaxanes da 

foTidan dabrunebis Semdeg sawarmoSi 

damakaves. me TviTon mivedi 

„kreativSi”, roca gavige, rom finansuri 

policia iyo Semosuli 

SemowmebisTvis. 

_ konkretulad ras gedavebo- 

daT finansuri policia da prok- 

uratura? 

_ daWeris Semdeg mimtkicebdnen, 

rom saqoneli iyo nedli navTobi, 

arada samxaraulis eqspertizam es 

uaryo. zewolis Sedegad maiZulebdnen 

imis aRiarebas, viTomda, 

es tvirTi arakanonierad movipove. 

saqmeSi mowmeebad figurirebdnen 

satvirTo avtomobilebis mZRolebi, 

romlebic daakaves. maT Tavisuflebis 

sanacvlod moawerines xeli 

raRac absurdze da sasamarTlozec 

muqariT aTqmevines, TiTqos 

erTi jgufis wevrebi iyvnen. es 

saqme, faqtobrivad, SeTiTxnes. me 

da Cems Zmas iseTi xalxis dajgufebis 

wevroba dagvwames, romelic 

nanaxic ki ar gvyavda da mere cixeSi 

gavicaniT. brals gvdebdnen 

baTumidan ganubaJeblad tvirTis 

SeZenasa da saxelmwifosTvis gadasaxadebis 

damalvaSi. mogvianebiT, 

am saqmes didi rezoznsi moyva da 

bevri adamiani aRmoCnda CarTuli, 

Tumca, rogorc giTxariT, me 

TiTqmis aravis vicnobdi. 

rogorc maleve mivxvdi, realurad 

edavebodnen ilia dalaqiSvils 

da Cvenc migvayoles, _ yvela, 

visac ki gamarjoba hqonda mis- 

Tvis naTqvami. Tornike Tavidan 

mZevali iyo, romelsac Cem winaaRmdeg 

iyenebdnen, magram aRar gamouSves, 

radgan maTTvis sasurveli 

N24 (285) 16.07-22.07.2019 w. 

Cveneba ar miveci. 

_ ras gulisxmobT sasurveli 

Cvenebis micemaSi? 

_ Cemgan im adamianebis dasaxelebas 

moiTxovdnen, romelTa saxelebis 

mosmenac surdaT. Cem winaaRmdeg 

arafri hqondaT, Tumca 

kompaniis direqtori da mesakuTre 

viyavi da amitom pasuxismgeblobac 

me damakisres kompaniis mier ijariT 

aRebul teritoriaze Senaxuli 

tvirTis gamo. 

vazusteb: arc teritoria iyo 

Cemi da arc _ tvirTi. 

gamoZiebas awarmoebda mamuka 

tuRuSi, romelic finansTa saministros 

sagamoZiebo samsaxuris 

erT-erTi sammarTvelos ufrosi 

iyo. dakavebis Semdeg Zalismieri 

meTodebiT damkiTxes advokatis 

gareSe. me mqonda advokatis yolis 

ufleba, magram am uflebis gamoyenebis 

SesaZlebloba ar momces. 

gamomdinare iqidan, rom brali ver 

mimtkicdeboda da e. w. organizebul 

jgufSi umniSvnelo roli 

mqonda, cdilobdnen, saproceso 

SeTanxmeba gaeformebinaT, ra Tqma 

unda, Tu maTTvis sasurvel Cvenebas 

mivcemdi. rac Seexeba Tanxas, 

piradad tuRuSma advokats uTxra, 

_ 5000 da 10000 ar iyos, es Zalian 

cotaao. im Sedegis misaRebad, rac 

maT surdaT, girao erTaderTi sa- 

Sualeba iyo, winaaRmdeg SemTxveva- 

Si, aRmkveT RonisZiebad 17-wlian 

patimrobas Semifardebdnen sasamarTlos 

dadgenilebisamebr. 

_ Tqvni Zma erTgvari koziri 

iyo Tqven winaaRmdeg da am saqme- 

Si Tornikes ra bedi ewia? 

_ diax, Cem winaaRmdeg seriozuli 

koziri hqondaT _ Cemi Zma, 

romelsac cixeSi ar maxvedrebdnen 

da saerTodac sxvadasxva korpusebSi 

visxediT. Tornike, romelic 

Tavidan, maTi azriT, satyuara iyo 

Cem dasaWerad, mainc ar gaaTavisu- 

vato gelaSvili: `kaniT vgrZnob, 

vis unda vendo da vis _ ara~ 

`faqtobrivad, yvela 

gasuli iyo da marto me 

vijeqi _ sxvisi mizeziT 

daWerili da im sxvebisgan 

fexebze dakidebuli~ 

fles. me arc vapirebdi sadme 

gaqcevas, radgan Tavs ar miviCnevdi 

damnaSaved. yvelaze samwuxaro 

is iyo, rom adamianebi, romlebic 

gareT iyvnen da romelTa dasaxelebasac 

mTxovdnen, Cemi Zmis xerxemalSi 

gadamtvrevis sanacvlodac 

ki (iyo aseTi muqara), xmas ar 

iRebdnen. aravin daudga Cems ojaxs 

gverdiT, aravin amoiRo xma, karic 

aravin SeaRo, Cemi mSoblebi rom 

moekiTxa. TornikesTvis saproceso 

garigebis sanacvlod 5000 laris 

gadaxdazec ki uari Tqves _ muSaSi 

amxela fuli rogor gadavixado- 

To? ramdenime xanSi, seqtemberSi, 

isinic aRmoCndnen cixeSi. ra, rogor 

da ris sanacvlod moagvares _ 

es Cemi saqme araa, faqtia, rom yvelaze 

bolos cixe me davtove. sabolood, 

saproceso SeTanxmebaSi 

Cemma ojaxma 40000 lari gadaixada. 

gayides saxli, rac ram ebadaT. 

amas dedaCemis janmrTeloba Seewira. 

rogoria, ori udanaSaulo 

Svili cixeSi rom gyavs, 14-wliani 

da 17-wliani muxlebiT? amave 

dros, Cems Zmas coli da Tveebis 

bavSvi hyavda. amis miuxedavad, me 

saproceso SeTanxmebis kategoriuli 

winaaRmdegi viyavi. absoluturad 

udanaSaulo adamians ratom 

unda gadamexada fuli? erTaderTi 

piroba, romlis sanacvlodac 

xeli movawere SeTanxmebas 

(didi Segonebebisa da xvewnis Semdeg), 

iyo dapireba, rom raki xelisufleba 

Seicvala, saqmes gamoi- 

Ziebdnen da yvelafers aminazRaurebdnen. 

rogorc mivxvdi, im 

etapisTvis me cixeSi aRar viyavi 

saWiro. faqtobrivad, yvela gasuli 

iyo da marto me vijeqi _ sxvisi 

mizeziT daWerili da im sxvebisgan 

fexebze dakidebuli. rodesac 

mivxvdi, rom pirobis Sesrulebas 

ar apirebdnen, 2013 wlis ianvarSive 

Sevitane prokuraturaSi saqmis xelaxla 

gamoZiebis moTxovna, magram 

6 weli gavida da kaci ar Semxmianebia. 

am procesebs uamravi Jurnalisti 

eswreboda da Zalian bevri 

adamiani, romelTanac dRes 

lamis megobroba makavSirebs, swored 

maSin gavicani. amis miuxedavad, 

araerTxel vTqvi sajarod da 

zogierTis wyroma da zogierTis 

mowonebac davimsaxure, rom konkretulad 

cixeSi fizikuri zemoqmedebis 

an Seuracxyofis msxverpli 

ar vyofilvar. simarTle yvelaze 

mniSvnelovania. namdvilad ar 

var kmayofili, rom udanaSaulo 

adamianma cixeSi araerTi Tve gavatare, 

Tumca amaSi is adamianebic 

iyvnen danaSaveebi, romlebmac, faqtobrivad, 

gagvimetes mec da Cemi 

Zmac. me asec ver SevZeli maTi gameteba, 

Tumca arc ki vici, ramdenad 

samarTlianad moveqeci saku- 

Tar ojaxs. im adamianebTan, romlebic, 

sxva mtkicebulebebi rom 

ar yofiliyo da Tavadac cixeSi ar 

aRmoCenliyvnen, udardelad Semawmenddnen 

xelebs, amis Semdeg araviTari 

kontaqti aRar mqonia. 

_ Tqven partia „Tavisufali 

demokratebis” wevri iyaviT ala- 

nasias gundSi, ratom datoveT 

partia? 

_ 2010 wlidan partia „Tavisufali 

demokratebis” wevri viyavi. 

me da Cemma ramdenime megobarma 

partia 2017 wels davtoveT. irakli 

alasania 2016 wlis arCevnebis 

Semdeg wavida, magram Cven raRac 

periodi kidev davrCiT partiaSi. 

wamovediT imitom, rom partia- 

Si dinamika aRar igrZnoboda da 

vfiqrobdiT, zedmetebi viyaviT im 

depresiul, modunebul sivrceSi, 

romelSic ramdenime adamiani dar- 

Ca da imasac ver vxvdebodi _ hqonda 

am partias momavali, Tu ara. 

iyo garkveuli konfliqtic maSindel 

prescentris ufrosTan da 

generalur mdivanTan. mokled, 

mivxvdi, rom iq Cemi adgili ar iyo. 

dRemde vudastureb pativiscemas 

bevr adamians, romelic partiaSia. 

CemTvis es partia mainc Cems siymawvilesTan 

da Zalian bevr sasiamovno 

mogonebasTan asocirdeba. is 

dartyma, romelic man gamoscada 

liderebis wasvlis Semdeg, dRemde 

umwvavesia CemTvis, radgan es 

procesebi Cemi da Cemi megobrebis 

cxovrebaze mZimed aisaxa, pirvel 

rigSi, swored Ralatisa da imedgacruebis 

gamo. 

_ dRes rogoria Tqveni poli- 

tikuri da sazogadoebrivi cxovreba? 

cota xnis win Tako Carkvi- 

anis partias SuerTdiT, Tumca 

ramdenime dReSi datoveT, ratom? 

_ Cems megobrebTan erTad Sevqmeni 

arasamTavrobo organizacia 

„SeaCere korufcia”, romelic, mgonia, 

rom qveynisTvis sasikeTo saqmes 

emsaxureba da amiT Zalian vamayob. 

partiuli cxovrebis kidev 

erTi mcdeloba mqonda. 

„kanoni da samarTali”, Tako 

Carkvianis partia, 2019 wels Seiqmna, 

magram partia yrilobidan sam 

dReSi davtove, radgan Zalian bevri 

SekiTxva gamiCnda da mivxvdi, 

rom pasuxs ver miviRebdi. Zalian 

vnanob, rom es kiTxvebi yrilobamde 

ar davsvi, Tumca nebismieri 

gamocdileba mainc gamocdilebaa. 

irakli alasania, romelic CemTvis 

dRemde rCeba erT-erT saukeTeso 

qarTvel politikosad, yovelTvis 

ambobda, _ arasodes Tqva iseTi 

ram, rac win dagxvdeba. arasodes 

Tqva tyuili, radgan Sedegs Tavs 

ver aarideb. arasodes Sehpirde 

adamians imas, rasac ver Seasrulebo. 

me mZuls tyuili. me viyavi am 

tyuilis msxverpli da araferi 

mayenebs imaze did Seuracxyofas, 

vidre adamianebis mcdeloba, gamomiyenon 

Cemi nebis winaaRmdeg. me 

es ukve gaviare da kaniT vgrZnob, 

vis unda vendo da vis _ ara. xandaxan 

grZnobamdec ar midis saqme 

da suraTi pirdapir Tvalwinaa. 

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ukanono mSeneblobebis ùfleba~ 

advokati nona filauri „qron- 


ika+~-Tan samSeneblo sferoSi ar- 

593 16 01 40 

sebul problemebsa da meriis uk- 

anono gadawyvetilebebze saub- 

robs. filauri ambobs, rom Tbilisis meria safrTxes uqmnis 

biznesis ganviTarebas da korufciul garigebebSia CarTuli. 

is yveba, rom biznesmenebi kanoniT mopovebuli samSeneblo 

nebarTviT ageben komerciul Tu sacxovrebel farTebs, Tum- 

ca ukve dasrulebuli samuSaos Semdeg Tavs iCens xelovnuri 

problemebi da mSeneblobis procesi gaurkveveli vadiT uC- 

erdeba an saerTod uuqmdeba adamianebs. 

nona filauri: 

_ Sps „kadaki+”-ma 2016 wlis 

pirvel aprils TbilisSi, nasyidobis 

xelSekrulebis safuZvelze, 

kanonierad SeiZina uZravi 

qoneba pekinis 28 nomerSi (552 

kv.m.). meriis arqiteqturis samsaxurma 

nebarTva gasca, romlis 

Tanaxmadac dadasturda da damtkicda 

sarekonstruqcio samuSaoebis 

Catareba. SeZenili qoneba 

warmoadgenda sxvens. aRniSnuli 

qonebis - Semdeg „kadaki+”- 

ma saremonto samuSaoebi daiwyo, 

moixsna Zalian moculobiTi da 

mZime Weri (daxloebiT 202 tona) 

da Catarebuli samuSaos Semdeg 

is Seicvala 9.1 tona liTonis 

konstruqciiT. samuSaoebi TiTqmis 

dasrulebuli iyo da mxolod 

vitraJebi rCeboda Casasmeli. 

swored am dros daiwyo mizanmimarTuli 

Seteva Sps „kadaki+”-ze. 

aRniSnuli Senobis mexuTe sar- 

Tulze ganTavsebuli iyo sxvadasxva 

ofisi, magaliTad, kompaniebi: 

Sps „diana”, Sps „melomani” da 

bavSvTa fondi „iavnana”. 

Senoba ar warmoadgenda sacxovrebel 

farTs da iq, ZiriTadad, 

ganTavsebuli iyo es ofisebi. 

aRniSnuli ofisebis warmomadgenlebma 

2017 wlis 2 oqtomebrs 

sapatrulo policia gamoiZaxes, 

Sedga reagirebis oqmi, 

sadac miTiTebulia, rom TiTqos 

me-5 sarTulze didi raodenobiT 

wyali CamouvidaT da sarTuli 

mTlianad ganadgurda. sapatrulo 

policiis Sedgenili oqmis 

Sedegad moxda reagireba da 

2017 wlis 3 oqtombers erToblivi 

saCivari daweres _ Tbilisis 

meriisgan moiTxoves 2016 wels 

(maTi TqmiT) ukanonod gacemuli 

nebarTvis jer SeCereba da Semdgom 

gauqmeba. maTi mtkicebiT, 

Senoba avariuli iyo da aqedan 

gamomdinare, nebarTvis gacemis 

ufleba Tbilisis meriis arqiteqturis 

samsaxurs ar hqonda. er- 

Ti Tvis Semdeg, 2017 wlis pirvel 

noembers, Tbilisis meriam 

SeaCera arqiteqturis samsaxuris 

2016 wlis 23 ivnisis brZanebuleba, 

xolo Semdgom saerTod 

gaauqma igi. aRsaniSnavia, rom 

rodesac meriam mSenebloba SeaCera, 

im periodisTvis saxuravis 

rekonstruqcia, faqtobrivad, 

dasrulebuli iyo, mxolod vitraJebi 

rCeboda Casasmeli, romlis 

nebarTvasac meria ar gascemda. 

„kadaki+”-ma araerTxel mimar- 

Ta merias da nebarTvis gacemas 

sToxvda, iqidan gamomdinare, 

rom Tavidan aecilebina riski, 

raTa me-5 sarTulze naleqi ar 

Casuliyo da Tavad da ofisebi 

ar dazaralebuliyo. 

meriis gadawyvetilebis Semdgom 

es mSenebloba SeCerda. mogvianebiT, 

„kadaki+”-isTvis cnobili 

gaxda, rom mis mflobelobaSi 

arsebul sakuTrebaSi adamianebi 

iyvnen SeWrilebi da iq garkveul 

samuSaoebs awarmoebdnen. 

2019 wlis 10 aprils „kadaki+” 

Tavisi iniciativiT iwvevs sapatrulo 

policias da informacias 

awodebs imis Sesaxeb, rom 

mis kuTvnil qonebaSi SeWrilia 

viRac da saremonto samuSaoebs 

awarmoebs. aRniSnulze gakeTda 

reagirebis oqmi. am yvelaferSi 

gansakuTrebul iniciativas iCenda 

da iCens Sps „dianas” mflobeli, 

vinme kereseliZe. swored 

vladimer kereseliZe SeiWra sxvis 

qonebaSi da vitraJebis magivrad 

TunuqiT daluqa da mTlianad 

gadaxura saxuravi. am yvelafers 

meriis municipaluri inspeqciis 

TanamSromeli, vinme 

Tengiz elisaSvili eswreboda. 

„kadaki+”-is iuristma sisxlis 

samarTlis saqmis aRZvra moiTxova 

am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT, 

Tumca mas martivad upasuxes: gamomdinare 

iqidan, rom viTom 

naleqi Cadioda, ofisis warmomadgenlebis 

interesebidan gamomdinare, 

maT absoluturi ufleba 

hqondaT, rom sxvis saku- 

TrebaSi SeWriliyvnen da gadaexuraT, 

raTa wvima aRar Casuliyo. 

vsvam kiTxvas, _ ratom ar misca 

ufleba Tavad kanonier mflobels 

Tbilisis meriam? Cven da 

piradad me, Cemi praqtikidan gamomdinare, 

miviCnev, rom es midgoma 

aris Zalian usamarTlo da 

vladimer kereseliZe _ Sps 

„dianas” damfuZnebeli: 

„sisulelea yvelaferi, rasac 

isini amboben. Senoba ingreva da 

es aris CemTvis mniSvnelovani. am 

adamians msgavsi sxveni ramdenime 

aqvs SeZenili, yvelgan analogiuri 

problemaa. rac Seexeba kiTxvas, 

_ ratom gaica ukanono nebarTva 

2016 wels? _ amaze meriis 

magivrad ver gipasuxebT, Tumca 

dRes meriam sruliad dasabuTebulad 

da yvelanairi ganmartebiT 

miiRo gadawyvetileba da 

nebarTva SeaCera; aseve sasamarTlomac 

miiRo adekvaturi da 

swori gadawyvetileba. ratom? 

imitom, rom es Senoba aris mesame 

kategoriis simZimis, masze aguris 

dadebac ki ar SeiZleba. es 

aris naTqvami samxaraulis bolo 

daskvnaSic. manamde arsebobda 

kidev samxaraulis ori daskvna 

da Tbilisis meriis laboratoriis 

ori daskvna, sadac weria, 

rom Senoba Camongrevis pirasaa, 

rasac SeiZleba moyves msxverpli. 

rac moixsna saxuravidan, arafera 

xdeba 

Tbilisis 

meriaSi? 

sakmaod ukanono... Cemi klienti 

seriozulad dazaralda, kerZod 

mas kanonieri ndoba hqonda saxelmwifosgan 

da xelSi ekava kanonierad 

damtkicebuli proeqti. 

man kanonierad ganaxorciela 

samuSaoebi. aqedan gamomdinare, 

rom ar yofiliyo faruli korufciuli 

interesebi, vladimer 

kereseliZesa da danarCeni Sps-s 

mflobelebsac aravin daukmayofilebda 

saCivars. Sps „kadaki+”-s 

sasamarTlos ganCinebiT 

`280 kv.m. farTi umaRles doneze mqonda 

garemontebuli, sadac 5 organizacia muSaobda, 

gaqiravebuli gvqonda mexuTe sarTuli, TveSi, 

daaxloebiT, 10 000 laramde iyo Semosavali... 

pirwmindad ganadgurda yvelaferi... vTxovdi, 

rom raRac droebiTi zomebi mieRo, rom es 

Senoba gadaexura. ubralod unda naxoT, ra 

mdgomareobaSia Cveni sarTuli. aravis aqvs 

ufleba, sxvisi qoneba daazianos, roca Tavisas 

akeTebs. naxevari milionis Rirebulebis 

zarali mogvayena am pirovnebam da srulad 

gaanadgura yvelaferi. SenobaSi veRar 

SevdivarT, radgan eqspertizam Tqva, rom 

SeiZleba, Camoiqceso. xuTi kompania, romelic 

SenobaSi manamde iyo, wavida. mokle CarTva 

moxda da SeuZlebeli iyo gaCereba~ 

75 000 laris zaralis anazRaureba 

daekisra. aq kidev erTi kiTxva 

minda davsva: zaralis Tanxa, 

romelic gamowveuli iyo meriis, 

rogorc isini amboben, ukanono 

nebarTviT (calke gamosakvlevia, 

ramdenad ukanono an kanonieri 

iyo), ratom gasca Tbilisis 

meriam 2016 wels da me ratom Semiyvana 

SecdomaSi? ratom dair- 

Rva aq Cemi interesi? garda imisa, 

rom 75 000 zaralia dadgenili, 

aseT SemTxvevaSi vin gadaixdis 

„kadaki+”-is zarals? SeuzRudes 

muSaobis saSualeba, Tavis 

qonebaze Sesvlis uflebasac ar 

aZleven da metic _ Sedis sxva da 

rasac unda, yovelgvari kanondarRveviT 

akeTebs... amaze gamo- 

Zieba ar reagirebs da dRes am 

qonebis auqcionze gatanas iTxoven... 

es yvelaferi ki xdeba im 

dros, roca saqmeSi bevri sadavo 

sakiTxi arsebobs da bevri 

kiTxvis niSania. 

Cven vapirebT, am procesSi 

prokuratura CavrToT, radgan 

gonivruli eWvi gvaqvs, rom korufciuli 

interesi gaxda swored 

meriis gadawyvetilebis Secvlis 

safuZveli, radgan dRes yvelaze 

metad moigo vladimer kereselZem, 

romelic aris SevardnaZis 

droindeli gavleniani pirovneba 

da mas dResac SenarCunebuli 

aqvs es gavlenebi. yvelaze met 

aqtiurobas is iCens da swored 

im reagirebis oqmze da saCivarzec 

is awers xels. aseTi maxinji 

da ukanono praqtika aqvs merias 

da, sxvaTa Soris, es ar aris 

pirveli SemTxveva, rodesac ukve 

garkveuli samuSaoebia wamowyebuli 

obieqtebze im dros, roca 

kanonierad aris damtkicebuli 

proeqtebi; Semdeg, ratomRac, 

zedamxedvelobis samsaxuri aCerebs 

da mere SeiZleba saerTod 

gauqmon maT mier gacemuli nebarTvebi. 

dauSvebelia aseTi midgoma, 

radgan saxelmwifom unda 

gaiTvaliswinos biznesis interesi. 

dRes Cven vxedavT _ Cems 

klients ar mieca ganviTarebis 

saSualeba, zaralis meti araferi 

unaxavs im dros, rodesac kanonierad 

moqmedebda, yvelafer- 

Tan erTad, misi konstituciuri 

ufleba dairRva, rasac hqvia sakuTrebis 

ufleba. 

ras ambobs meore mxare? 

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da dazaralebuli biznesmenebi 

ria qvemoT Camotanili, amas kidev 

daamata aTeulobiT tona metali... 

qarTulad gelaparakebiT, 

daskvnebis safuZlvelze _ erTi 

aguris dadebac ar SeiZleba am 

Senobaze! am sxvenis nawili „kadaki+”-ma 

aseve mihyida sxva adamianebsac, 

romlebic axla sasamarTloSi 

uCivian. rac Seexeba 

ukanonod SeWras, yvelaferi ga- 

CveneT, ra mdgomareobaSia, _ ori 

wlis manZilze SenobaSi wyali 

Camodioda, ori wlis manZilze 

Senoba gadauxuravi iyo da es 

meriis daudevrobac aris. meriaSi 

ramdenime werili gaigzavna 

da roca davinaxeT, meria amas 

ver akeTebda, vinc erToblivad 

movawereT xeli gancxadebas, gadavwyviteT, 

darCenili saxuravis 

nawili ise gagvekeTebina, rom 

Senoba ar dagvmxoboda Tavze. 

minda gangimartoT, saxuravi yvelasia... 

roca es adamiani samarTlebrivi 

gziT miaRwevs imas, rom 

is SeZlebs kanonieri nebarTviT 

aSenebas, RmerTma xeli moumar- 

Tos. mis qonebas aravin Sexebia, 

Tumca misi es qoneba TaRliTuri 

gziT aris gakeTebuli, radgan 

daskvnebi wakiTxuli maqvs da, 

Tavis droze, merias kidec avuxseniT, 

rom gaexilaT Tvalebi da 

daskvnebisTvis daexedaT, radgan 

daskvna sxva rames ambobda, xolo 

2016 wels gacemuli nebarTva 

acdenili iyo yvelanair kanons”. 

arCil Tabagari _ erT-erTi 

mesakuTre: 

„faqtebs getyviT: am Senobas 

mesakuTreebi hyavs da arsebuli 

18 mesakuTris garda am Senobis 

or sarTuls flobs aseve saxelmwifoc. 

saidan daiwyo problemebi?.. 

_ 2017 weli iyo, oqtomberi, 

es periodi Zalian naleqiani 

gaxldaT TbilisSi. ofisSi 

vmuSaobdiT da erT dResac yvela 

oTaxidan wyali Camovida. davinteresdiT, 

ra xdeboda! avediT 

da Senobas saxuravi saerTod 

gadaxsnili hqonda. rodesac am 

faqtis winaSe davdeqiT, Sesabamisi 

samsaxurebi gamoviZaxeT da 

reagireba movaxdineT. aseve martivi 

WeSmaritebaa: roca mSeneblobis 

ufleba gaqvs, es imas ar 

niSnavs, sxva daazaralo. Semdgom 

arsebuli ukanono nebarTva meriam 

gaauqma, motivaciad ki Zalian 

martivi mocemuloba moiyvana, 

Tu ratomac gaabaTiles. mSeneblobis 

es nebarTva 2016 wels 

gayalbda. Tqvens sakuTrebaSi vi- 

Racam mSeneblobis nebarTva rom 

aiRos TqvenTan SeuTanxmeblad, 

xom ar iqneba es swori da kanonieri? 

am Senobas 18 mesakuTre 

hyavs da mxolod erTi qalbatonis 

xelwerili iyo wardgenili, 

Tavis droze. amitom meriaSi mixvdnen, 

rom es Secdoma iyo! ar 

vamtkiceb, rom am kacma TaRli- 

Turad moipova nebarTva, radgan 

man mSeneblobis nebarTviT ra- 

Rac kompaniisgan iyida da nebar- 

Tvac gadmoyva. gamovikvlieT da 

aRmoCnda, rom mesakuTreebisTvis 

araferi ukiTxavT. Senobas 

ar gaaCnia Sesabamisi mdgradoba 

da saxelmwifo mteri xom ar aris? 

daaxloebiT, arsebobs oTxi, 

Tu meti ara, eqpertizis daskvna, 

romelic ambobs, rom aranairi 

sarTulis dadgma Senobaze ar 

SeiZleba. am adamians veubnebi, _ 

modi, Cemo kargo, moitane kanonieri 

daskvna, sadac ewereba, rom 

Senobaze daSeneba SeiZleba, amis 

Semdeg merias miakiTxos, wabr- 

Zandes mesakuTreebTan, daarwmunos, 

rom es yvelaferi usafr- 

Txoa da gaakeTos mere, rac unda, 

rogorc wesi da rigia. 

ambobs: ar mainteresebs, ase- 

Tad viyide da a. S. 

kaco, maSin vinc mogyida, imas 

unda edavo, Cven ras gverCis, 

ratom gvangrevs? meriam gaauqma 

es nebarTva da mas Senebis nebar- 

Tva aRar misces. gaimarTa sasamarTlo 

procesic, mere gaasa- 

Civra da sasamarTlomac uari 

uTxra mSneblobis nebarTvis 

micemaze. es aris am saqmis erTi 

mxare da arsebobs kidev meore 

mxare: mSeneblobis nebarTva 

romc gqondes da yvelaferi gamarTuli 

rom iyos, iq weria da 

kanonic geubneba da moralic: 

sxvas ziani ar unda miayeno! 280 

kv.m. farTi umaRles doneze mqonda 

garemontebuli, sadac 5 organizacia 

muSaobda, gaqiravebuli 

gvqonda mexuTe sarTuli, 

TveSi, daaxloebiT, 10 000 laramde 

iyo Semosavali... pirwmindad 

ganadgurda yvelaferi... vTxovdi, 

rom raRac droebiTi zomebi 

mieRo, rom es Senoba gadaexura. 

ubralod unda naxoT, ra mdgomareobaSia 

Cveni sarTuli. aravis 

aqvs ufleba, sxvisi qoneba daazianos, 

roca Tavisas akeTebs. 

naxevari milionis Rirebulebis 

zarali mogvayena am pirovnebam 

da srulad gaanadgura yvela- 

feri. SenobaSi veRar SevdivarT, 

radgan eqspertizam Tqva, rom 

SeiZleba, Camoiqceso. xuTi kompania, 

romelic SenobaSi manamde 

iyo, wavida. mokle CarTva 

moxda da SeuZlebeli iyo gaCereba. 

usafrTxoebis kuTxiT ki iZulebuli 

gavxdi, gazis, wylisa da 

mricxvelis demontaJi momexdina 

_ teqnikuradac da iuridiuladac. 

rodesac safrTxe momdinareobs 

Senobidan, bunebrivia, mesakuTrem 

zomebi unda miiRos da 

xval rom kedeli gadavardes da 

ubedureba datrialdes, ra Tqma 

unda, meskuTreebi viqnebiT pasuxismgeblebi, 

magram saxelmwifoc 

pasuxismgebelia, radgan 

icoda am saSiSroebis Sesaxeb da 

araferi gaakeTa _ marto dagvtova 

mesakuTreebi. 

gaognebuli var! saerTod, mag 

pirovnebas Rame rogor sZinavs?! 

xval rom rame ubedureba moxdes, 

pasuxismgebloba xom magazec 

iqneba?! Senoba avariuli iyo. 

es pirovneba meore welia, gamoCnda, 

Cven ki am Senobis aRsadgenad 

ukve meaTe welia, davdivarT. 

erTxel ar mosula Cvenamde! 

rom mosuliyo, yvelafers 

vetyodi da am SarSic ar gaexveoda... 

rogor moviqce, mec aRar 

vici”. 

`swored vladimer kereseliZe SeiWra sxvis 

qonebaSi da vitraJebis magivrad TunuqiT 

daluqa da mTlianad gadaxura saxuravi. am 

yvelafers meriis municipaluri inspeqciis 

TanamSromeli, vinme Tengiz elisaSvili 

eswreboda. `kadaki+~-is iuristma sisxlis 

samarTlis saqmis aRZvra moiTxova am sakiTxTan 

dakavSirebiT, Tumca mas martivad upasuxes: 

gamomdinare iqidan, rom viTom naleqi Cadioda, 

ofisis warmomadgenlebis interesebidan 

gamomdinare, maT absoluturi ufleba hqondaT, 

rom sxvis sakuTrebaSi SeWriliyvnen da 

gadaexuraT, raTa wvima aRar Casuliyo. vsvam 

kiTxvas, - ratom ar misca ufleba Tavad 

kanonier mflobels Tbilisis meriam?~ 

Tbilisis meriis zedamxed- 

velobis samsaxuri: 

„es mSenebloba 2017 wlis 

pirvel noembers droebiT SeCerda, 

2019 wels ki municipalitetis 

iuridiulma samsaxurma sa- 

Civari srulad ganixila da nebarTva 

baTilad cnes. aRniSnuli 

mSneblobis nebarTva, romelic 

2016 gaica, dadginda, rom ukanono 

iyo, radgan arsebobda eqspertebis 

daskvnebi, romlis mixedviTac 

aRniSnul nagebobaze 

raime tipis mSenebloba ar Sei- 

Zleboda, _ Senobis mdgradobas 

uSlida xels”. 

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gavrilovis vizitis Semdeg gan- 

viTarebulma movlenebma kidev erTxel TvalnaTliv dagvanaxa, rom 

qarTuli politikuri klasi srul ganaxlebas moiTxovs. ratom 

ver xerxdeba axali saxeebis politikaSi Semosvla? ra faqtorebi 

uSlis xels axali politikuri centris formirebas? ra koziri 

aqvT am procesebSi axalgazrdebisgan Semdgar gunds? 

aRniSnul Temebze „qronika+~ 

rubrika „axalgazrda politikosebSi” 

iurist irakli kupraZes es- 

aubra: 

_ rogor Secvala politikuri 

mocemuloba gavrilovis vizitma? 

_ dRevandel viTarebaSi arsebulma 

politikurma elitam sazogadoebis 

ndoba dakarga. aRar 

arsebobs arc erTi moqmedi politikuri 

partia, romelic saxalxo 

interesebs gamoxatavs. es kargad 

aCvena bolodroindelma krizisma. 

sazogadoebas ar moswons xelisufleba, 

magram aseve undoblobas 

ucxadebs mTavar opoziciur partiebs, 

romelTac, Tavis droze, 

sakmaod mZime danaSaulebebSi miuZRviT 

brali. sazogadoeba didi 

xnis win moemzada axali politikuri 

Zalis an jgufis gamosakveTad 

da dasanaxad, magram, jerjerobiT, 

es politikuri jgufi ar Cans, 

vgulisxmob mesame Zalis molodins, 

romelic unda formirdes ara 

taqtikuri gadalagebiT ukve arsebul 

liderebs Soris, aramed axali 

saxeebiT. moTxovna aris axal 

saxeebze, sisufTaveze da maT Soris, 

axal ideebze, romelic iqneba 

gansxvavebuli aqamde arsebuli politikuri 

kulturisa da klasisgan. 

gamomdinare iqidan, rom dRes 

moqmedi partiebi dominantur poziciebs 

avrceleben, romelic er- 

TmaneTTan yovelTvis TanxmobaSi 

modis, magaliTad, „nacionaluri 

moZraoba” da „evropuli saqarTvelo”, 

aseve „qarTuli ocneba” da 

sxva mcire jgufebi, maTi ZiriTadi 

moxazuloba da principebi saxelmwifos 

ganviTarebis mxriv aris 

TiTqmis sruliad identuri da 

mxolod mcire sakiTxebSi gansxvavdeba 

erTmaneTisgan. sazogadoeba 

raRac gansxvavebuls iTxovs da 

amis SeTavazeba, Cemi azriT, Seu- 

ZliaT memarcxene jgufebs, romelic 

arasdros yofila koalicia- 

Si arc „nacionalur moZraobasTan”, 

arc „qarTul ocnebasTan”. rac 

Seexeba gavrilovis vizits, am movlenebma 

aCvena, rom am politikur 

klass, ndobasTan erTad, ar gaaCnia 

unarebi imisa, rom windaxedulad 

marTos saxelmwifo da iseTi 

nabijebi gadadgas, romelic sargebels 

moutans qveyanas. piriqiT, 

vxedavT, rom saqarTvelo ziandeba, 

aseve vxedavT destruqciul 

opozicias, romelic am yvelafers 

Zalian mZimed iyenebs da vxedavT 

dabneul axalgazrdobas, romelsac 

am procesebis sworad gamoyenebis 

unar-Cvevebi ar gaaCnia da 

arc gamocdileba aqvs, ise mimar- 

Tos xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg es 

procesebi, rom sxva partiuli 

jgufebis gaZliereba ar gamoiwvios. 

amavdroulad, axali poli- 


tikuri platforma Seqmnas, romelsac 

damoukidebeli mimarTuleba 

eqneba. es miuTiTebs totalur 

imedgacruebasa da uSedegobaze 

samive mxridan: xelisuflebisgan, 

opoziciisgan da calke mdgomi sazogadoebisgan. 

gavrilovis CamosvlasTan 

dakavSirebiT Cemi pozicia 

Zalian mkacri da calsaxaa, 

rom es iyo qarTuli saxelmwifoebriobis 

Ralati, ugunureba da 

danaSauli. am yvelaferze aucileblad 

unda agos pasuxi xelisuflebam, 

maT Soris, biZina ivaniSvilma 

da giorgi gaxariam, sxva oficialurma 

pirebma, romlebmac amiT 

mZime dartyma miayenes saxelmwifos, 

ekonomikas da zogadad 

irakli kupraZe: 

àxali 

politikuri 

klasis formireba 

axali saxeebiT 

unda daiwyos~ 

erovnul interesebs. 

_ dabneuli axalgazrdebi ax- 

seneT, konkretulad vis da ras 

gulisxmobT? 

_ am SemTxvevaSi vgulisxmob 

rusTavelze mdgom axalgazrdebs 

da aseve imaTac, vinc saxlSi sxedan 

an regionebSi arian. regionebSi es 

protesti bevrad Sesustebulia. 

aqciis organizatorebs mcdeloba 

hqondaT, partiuli gavlenebisgan 

Tavisufali yofiliyvnen, magram 

Cven yoveldRiur reJimSi vuyurebT, 

miuxedavad imisa, rom politikosebi 

sityviT ar gamodian, aqciaze 

vxedavT givi TargamaZes, giga 

bokerias, romlebic gvesaubrebian 

aqciis darbevis standartebze. 

CemTvis, rigiTi moqalaqisTvis, 

romelsac axsovs 7 noemberi da 

26 maisi, es yvelaferi usamarTlobis 

gancdas iwvevs. swored aman daabnia 

qarTuli sazogadoeba da, 

maT Soris, is axalgazrdebi, romlebic 

ar dganan rusTavelze da 

piriqiT, cdiloben, rom did winaaRmdegobaSi 

Sevidnen aqciasTan 

da akritikeben partiuli CarTulobis 

gamo. miuxedavad yvelafrisa, 

Cems pozicias erTi fraziT 

gamovxatav: Cven Soris ufro meti 

saerToa, vidre gamyofi xazebi, anu 

aqciis monawileebsa da politikur 

partiebs ufro meti ram gvaerTianebs, 

vidre gvyofs. gvaerTianebs 

is, rom saqarTvelos suvereniteti 

win aris wamoweuli, aseve wamoweulia 

rusuli okupaciis safrTxe, 

rac CemTvis principuli da umniSvnelovanesia, 

aseve demokratiuli 

ganviTarebis sakiTxi. CemTvis 

swored es Temebi faravs gamyof 

xazebs, rac aris magaliTad givi 

TargamaZis aqciaze yofna. Sesabamisad, 

me vdgavar am aqciebze, viTxov 

gaxarias gadadgomas, pasuxismgeblobas 

„qarTuli ocnebis” mxridan, 

Cemi megobrebi da TanabrZolebi 

regionebSi aqciebs marTaven. 

vfiqrob, bevrad ufro mogebuli 

iqneboda qarTuli sazogadoeba 

da, maT Soris, aqciis saorganizacio 

jgufi, Tuki mainc SesaZlebloba 

iqneboda, rom partiuli saxeebisa 

da gavlenebisgan metad Tavisufali 

yofiliyo rusTavelze mimdinare 

aqciebi. vxedavT, rom partiuli 

saxeebis aqciaze gamoCeniT 

erTgvar safuZvels vaZlevT „qarTul 

ocnebas”, rom binZuri me- 

TodebiT imuSaon axalgazrdebis 

gasaSaveblad, socialur qselebsa 

da mediaSi, amaSi Zalian did fuls 

xarjaven. 

_ gavrilovis viziti iqneba Tu 

ara gardamtexi qarTul poli- 

tikaSi? 

_ saqarTveloSi axali politikuri 

eris dasawyebad „gavrilovis 

Rame” gardamtexi procesi iyo. 

es Secvlis politikur viTarebas, 

ZalTa Tanafardobas, reitingebs. 

Tavis mxriv, aucileblad gamoCndebian 

axali Zalebi da saWiroa, 

maT hqondeT axali politikuri 

platforma da damoukidebloba, 

maT Soris, prodasavluroba, rac 

CemTvis principuli mimarTulebaa. 

xolo Tu ratom ver xerxdeba axali 

Zalebis gamoCena, amas erTi 

Zalian mniSvnelovani ganmarteba 

aqvs: arsebul politikur WaobSi 

vxedavT, rom nebismier axal sxeuls 

gandevnian, rogorc keTrovans 

an pasuxismgeblobas akisreben, 

rom opoziciasTan gaerTiandnen. 

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi maT Caketili 

aqvT sainformacio arxebi. 

amavdroulad, vxedavT, rom wlebis 

ganmavlobaSi qarTuli politika 

urTierTzizRis principze keTdeba. 

„nacionalur moZraobas” aZleven 

xmas, radgan ezizRebaT „qarTuli 

ocneba” da „qarTul ocnebas” 

aZleven xmas, rom „nacionalebis” 

dabruneba ar undaT. am polarizebis 

mTavari avtori biZina 

ivaniSvilia, romelmac udidesi 

danaSauli Caidina qarTuli demokratiis 

winaSe, roca pirvelad 

scada gaekrifa Sua, es misi sityvebia. 

man scada, rom „nacionaluri 

moZraobisgan” Seeqmna safrTxobela 

da ar mieca saSualeba axali 

politikuri jgufebisTvis, rom 

maT ebrZolaT. aman daayovna swored 

axali politikuri Zalebis 

formirebis procesi. es pasuxismgebloba 

ekisreba rogorc biZina 

ivaniSvils, aseve „nacionalur 

moZraobas”, romelic nebismier 

axal jgufs moRalated racxs da 

damoukidebeli politikuri brZolis 

warmoeba unda. biZina ivaniSvilma 

gaiazra, rom misi triuki, 

rogorc Tavad uwodebs Sua gakrefas, 

aRmoCnda udidesi Secdoma, 

rac „qarTulma ocnebam” dauSva. 

amiT „nacionalurma moZraobam” 

Seisisxlxorca patara partiebi, 

romlebsac damoukideblad ganvi- 

Tarebis saSualeba hqondaT. „qar- 

Tulma ocnebam” antisaxalxo, korufciuli, 

danaSaulebrivi, miker- 

Zoebuli, nepotisturi politika 

awarmoa qarTul saxelmwifoSi, 

amiT ki „nacionalur moZraobas” 

saSualeba misca, kritikuli winaaRmdegoba 

gaewia xelisuflebisTvis. 

Cven vnaxeT, rom sxva mimarTulebiT 

ver Seiqmna iseTi politikuri 

Zalis centri, romelsac 

SeiZleboda daebalansebina „nacionaluri 

moZraoba”. es Secdoma 

biZina ivaniSvils mZimed awevs da 

es Sedegebi bolo arCevnebze iwvnia, 

roca „nacionalurma moZraobam” 

sakmaod maRali procentuli 

Sedegi dado. amis Semdeg biZina ivaniSvilma 

Secvala strategia da 

Suas dabruneba gadawyvita. nulovani 

barieris Sesaxeb gadawyvetileba 

swored am process emsaxureba, 

rac niSnavs, rom nulovani barieris 

pirobebSi maSin, roca blokebis 

erToba akrZalulia arCevnebSi 

monawileobis dros, patara 

partiebs, romlebic dRes mikedlebuli 

arian „nacionalur moZraobas” 

an „Zala erTobaSias” koalicias, 

individualuri ambiciebi 

gauCndebaT saparlamento brZolis 

warmoebisas. isini damoukideblad 

miiReben arCevnebSi monawileobas, 

Sesabamisad, gamoeyofian 

„nacionalur moZraobas”, amiT „nacionaluri 

moZraoba” eleqtoratis 

nawilze gavlenas dakargavs, dasustdeba, 

rogorc yvelaze Zlieri 

opozicia da axali sivrce gaCndeba 

opoziciuri Zalis formirebisTvis. 

SeiZleba es iyos koaliciuri 

opozicia, sadac „nacionaluri 

moZraobac” da sxva partiebic 

CaerTvebian, magram SesaZlebelia 

es iyos sxva damoukidebeli politikuri 

jgufi, romelsac sufTa 

furclidan SeeZleba xelisuflebis 

kritika. maTi kritika bevrad 

ufro basri, samarTliani da sazogadoebis 

mxridan sworad aRqmuli 

iqneba. magaliTad, irakli kupraZes, 

levan lorTqifaniZes an grigol 

gegelias verasdros ver etyvis 

„qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgeneli, 

sad iyaviT 2012 wlamdeo, verc 

„nacionaluri moZraobis” warmomadgenlebi 

gvetyvian, sad iyaviT 

2012 wlis Semdego. Cven viyaviT 

yvelgan, sadac saxalxo interesebi 

idga, viyaviT cixis kadrebis aqciebis 

dros erT-erTi organizatorebi, 

manamde viyaviT aqciebis 

darbevis dros, studenturi protestis 

dros, universitetis avtonomiis 

moTxovnis dros, ganaTlebisa 

da Sromis sakiTxebis brZolis 

mimarTulebiT aqtiurad CarTuli, 

aseve ekologiis mimarTulebiT 

viyaviT mowinave adamianebi, romlebic 

icavdnen ekologiur sakiTxebs, 

erovnul umciresobebs, kulturul 

memkvidreobas, vgulisxmob 

saydriss. es brZolebi gaSlili 

iyo yvelgan: WiaTuraSi, pankisSi, 

raWasa da a. S., Sesabamisad, es Zala 

unda iyos principuli da mebrZoli 

poziciis mqone, romelsac verasdros 

veravin gaubedavs da ver 

wamoaZaxebs raime garigebas warsulidan 

an raime kompromiss, radgan 

ukompromisod yovelgvari koaliciebis 

gareSe vicavdiT saxalxo 

interess da qarTul saxelmwifoebriobas. 

2012 wlis cixis kadrebis 

Semdeg didi brZolebi gamoiara 

studenturma moZraobam da 

Cven pirvelebi viyaviT, romlebmac 

biZina ivaniSvilis SuSis sasaxlesTan 

gavmarTeT aqciebi, maSin roca 

jer kidev eridebodnen biZina 

ivaniSvilis saxelis xsenebas, maT 

Soris, opoziciuri partiebi, radgan 

isini ivaniSvilisgan wyalobas 

elodnen. axali politikuri klasis 

formireba da gakrefili Suas 

dabrunebis procesi axalgazrdebiT, 

axali saxeebiT da sufTa furclidan 

unda daiwyos. Cven aravis 

gavukrefivarT, radgan zedmetad 

axalgazrdebi varT imisTvis, rom 

politikaSi vyofiliyaviT, magram 

vfiqrob, movida dro, rom Cven gavwioT 

didi Sroma da brZola im 

mimarTulebiT, rom qarTvel 

xalxs gavuCinoT imedi politikisa 

da imisa, rom qarTuli saxelmwfos 

mSenebloba SeiZleba qarTveli axalgazrdebis 

sufTa SromiT. sxvadasxva 

saganmanaTleblo-saleqcio 

kursze siaruli regionebSi Zalian 

xSirad gviwevs, sadac adamianebi 

gveubnebian: rodis mogvcemT Sanss, 

rom sufTa guliT wavideT arCevnebze 

da ar davmaloT, vis miveciT 

xmao. 

_ dameTanxmebiT, rom finan- 

suri resursi politikaSi xSirad 

gadamwyvet rols TamaSobs. ra 

iqneba Tqveni koziri finansebTan 

mimarTebiT? 

_ umniSvnelovanes sakiTxs SeexeT, 

razec gadavdiodi. es aris teqnikurad 

Zalian rTuli sakiTxi, 

magram vfiqrob, qarTuli sazogadoebis 

udidesi nawili, romelic 

protestis niSnad ar dadis arCevnebze, 

rac 50%-ze metia, ar iyideba, 

arc ramdenime kilogram kartofilze 

da arc dapirebebze. qarTul 

sazogadoebas Zalian didi da 

Rirseuli nawili hyavs, romelsac 

SeuZlia, erovnuli suliskveTebiT 

miiRos mniSvnelovani gadawyvetilebebi, 

swored es amomrCeveli 

aris Cveni amomrCeveli, romelic 

winaaRmdegobrivia da fiqrobs 

demokratiaze da mniSvnelovan 

erovnul sakiTxebze. Cven Segvi- 

Zlia amis garSemo gavaerTianoT 

qarTuli sazogadoeba im minimaluri 

finansuri resursebiT, romelsac 

isev sazogadoebis Semowirulobebi 

mogvitans da SevZlebT 

mniSvnelovani procesis dawyebas. 

Tu axlad Seqmnili axalgazrdebis 

gaerTianeba, miT umetes, memarcxeneebis, 

romelime oligarqs 

mieyideba an misgan fuls aiRebs, es 

ukve wagebuli TamaSi, principebisa 

da Rirsebis gayidva iqneba. finansebis 

moZieba mxolod sazogadoebisgan 

SeiZleba. arsebobs ase- 

Ti sazogadoeba, romelsac axalgazrdebis 

sjera. Cveni mTavari Rirseba 

da koziri swored sazogadoebis 

mxridan socialuri kapitali 

da ndobaa, romelic saqarTvelos 

uamrav regionSi gvaqvs. gaTenebuli 

Rameebi: WiaTuraSi, tyibulSi, 

saydrisTan, universitetis 

baRsa Tu SenobaSi, es Zalian mniSvnelovani 

brZolebia, romelic 

axsovT am adamianebs. isini xedaven 

miukerZoeblobas, ukompromisobas. 

vfiqrob, saqarTvelos mosaxleobis 

Rirseul nawils SeuZlia am 

procesis sworad gaazreba. Seu- 

Zlebelia gvyavdes koordinatorebi 

da internetbotebi, Cveni jariskacebi 

da koordinatorebi unda 

iyvnen rigiTi adamianebi, romlebsac 

imis gancda darCaT, rom Sesa- 

Zlebelia saqarTvelos saxelmwifos 

gaZliereba da procesis ganviTarebis 

mimarTulebiT daZvra. 

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socialur qselSi aqtiurad 


ganixileba internetsivrceSi ax- 

593 16 01 40 

ali saitis gamoCena, romlis mis- 

amarTia: „argadadge.ge”, sadac 

Semdeg informacias vkiTxulobT: „megobrebo, moqalaqeebs, 

romlebsac migvaCnia, rom saqarTvelos Sinagan saqmeTa minis- 

tris gadadgoma mxolod zians moutans qveyanas, gamovxatoT 

sakuTari pozicia xelmoweriT da vanaxoT Cveni xma sazoga- 

doebas”. peticias ukve hyavs 10 000-mde xelmomweri. 

momRerali Temur TaTaraSvi- 

li erT-erTi pirveli iyo, romelmac 

Riad ganacxada, rom giorgi 

gaxarias gadadgomis aucile- 

blobas ver xedavs da fiqrobs: 

Tu gamoZiebis dasrulebis Semdeg 

ministris danaSauli dadgindeba, 

mxolod am SemTxvevaSi unda datovos 

man Tanamdeboba da pasux- 

ic agos. 

cnobili momRerlis am gancxa- 

debam sazogadoebis garkveuli 

nawilis gaRizianeba da didi agre- 

sia gamoiwvia. „qarTuli ocnebis” 

aqtiuri mxardamWeri „qronika+”- 

Tan ambobs, rom misi am poziciis 

gamo mas mokvliT emuqrebian. 

ebs vficavar da aranair kampaniaSi 

ar vapireb monawileobas. me, ubralod, 

Cemi piradi azri maqvs da ar 

vapireb sadme quCaSi gasvlas da 

droSebiT sirbils, me Cemi saqme 

maqvs. 

_ Tavad Tqven ras fiqrobT 

qveyanaSi mimdinare procesebze, 

romelzec, ra Tqma unda, pasux- 

ismgebloba ekisreba „qarTul 

kargi iqneboda, ra Tqma unda, ar 

momxdariyo, Cven yvela gvecodeba, 

vinc ar unda iyos, romel mxaresac 

ar unda idges is TvaldaTxrili 

xalxi. iciT, ra xdeba? _ im 

xalxma ilaparakos, visac erTi adgili 

sufTa aqvs. Zalian maRizianebs, 

rodesac iseTi adamiani gamodis 

televiziiT da lanZRavs, es ra 

gaakeTa gaxariamo, romlis mTavr- 

girebas da Sinagan saqmeTa saminitros 

mivmarTav. 

_ Tqven axseneT, rom parla- 

mentTan iseTi adamianebi dganan, 

romlebic Riziandebian da ar 

moswonT raRacebi. Tqven yvelaferi 

mogwonT dRes am xelisuflebis, 

romlis aqtiuri mxardam- 

Weric xarT? 

_ ra Tqma unda, yvelaferi ar 

momwons. rogor SeiZleba, yve- 

`me ar var arc 

imis momxre da arc 

amis momxre, 

momRerali var!~ 

vin emuqreba sicocxlis mospobiT 

momRerals? ratom aRiz- 

ianeben mas wina mTavrobis liderebi 

da ra SemTxvevaSi veRar im- 

Rerebs is qarTul scenaze?! 

_ „diax, gaxaria ar unda gada- 

dges. me momwons gaxaria. kaci aris 

da yv...biania, gaige?!” _ Temur, es 

winadadeba Tqven „SabaTis kurieris” 

eTerSi ganacxadeT, romel- 

sac didi gamoxmaureba moyva da, 

rogorc Cans, es dRe TqvenTvis ar 

iyo emociurad mSvidi. mogviye- 

viT, ra moxda lagodexSi?! 

_ getyviT, Cem irgvliv ra xdeba 

da rac iyo: viyavi lagodexSi, 

koncerti mqonda. „rusTavi 2-is” 

Jurnalistma Zalian megobruli 

ganwyobiT, moridebiT, mowiwebiT 

damireka da miTxra, rom undoda 

gamsaubreboda Cems video mimarTvasTan 

dakavSirebiT, romelic gaxarias 

exeboda. vupasuxe, rom koncerti 

mqonda da am TemisTvis ar 

mecala. erT saaTSi Tavze damadga, 

repeticiaze viyavi. ar momeSvnen, 

partiuli davalebiT momigzavnes 

Jurnalisti, romelic yvelanairad 

ecada, partiis davaleba 

Seesrulebina da wyobidan gamoveyvane. 

koncertis mSvidad Catarebis 

uflebas ar maZlevdnen da emociuri 

teqsti gamomtyua, romelic 

Semdeg „SabaTis kurierSi” gamoiyenes. 

iciT, rogor damdevdnen? 

levan, me Cemi azri davafiqsire da 

vfiqrob, rom gaxaria ar unda gadadges, 

sanam gamoZieba ar dasruldeba. 

roca gamoZieba dasruldeba 

da dadgindeba, rom gaxaria damnaSavea 

_ gadadgeba, aba, ras uzamen?! 

Tu damnaSavea, ra Tqma unda, 

pasuxi unda agos. 

_ oponentebi amboben, rom Tu 

ar gadadgeba, mas aqvs imis berketi, 

rom xeli SeuSalos gamoZiebas... 

Tqven ar iziarebT am mo- 

sazrebas? 

_ levan, me politikosi ar var 

da verc verkvevi policiis ambeb- 

Si, es Cemi gadasawyveti ar aris. me 

rasac vfiqrob, is davafiqsire. 

_ ambobT, rom politikaSi ver 

erkveviT, Tumca aqtiurad 

akeTebT politikur gancxadebebs, 

aseve xarT „qarTuli ocnebis” 

mxardamWeri... 

_ diax, me „qarTuli ocnebis” 

mxardamWeri var da ara politikuri 

figura. Tqven kargad iciT, 

wina mTavrobam rac gamikeTa. rasac 

dRes Cemze weren, is sasamarTlozec 

ver damimtkices, amitom momixsnes 

is muxli. „bariga, bariga, barigaaa”, 

rom weren viRacebi, ra Tqma 

unda, „nacionaluri moZraobis” 

momxreebi weren am sisuleles. da 

rom ver damimtkices barigoba, amitomac 

momixsnes eg muxli. es xalxi 

ver gaerkvia da barigebi sadac 

sxedan pirdapir eTerebSi da mihyavT 

gadacemebi, yvelam kargad 

icis. ukve yelSi amomivida erTi da 

igives mtkiceba. „narkomani”, „kaif- 

Sia”, _ waikiTxeT, Cemze ras weren 

socialur qselebSi. wamiyvanon da 

gamisinjon sisxli, saqveynod SemiZlia 

wavide da gamomyves, visac 

unda da naxon _ marixuanasac ar 

vewevi, romel wamalzea aq laparaki?! 

is dro wavida da Cabarda patrons... 

me moxmareba da SeZena mqonda 

bralad wayenebuli da ara 

gavrceleba. ver gaiges am Clungebma, 

Tu ase awyobT, rom yofiliyo 

ar vici... kidev erTxel gimeorebT: 

SemiZlia wamovide da sadac undaT, 

iq gamsinjon. Tu aRmoaCenen rame 

narkotikuls, Camsvan cixeSi. 

_ gavrcelebuli informaciiT, 

TiTqos aqtiuri kampania igegmeba 

gaxarias dasacavad, sadac umete- 

sad qarTveli artistebi iqnebian 

CarTuli. uaryofT am informa- 

cias? 

_ pirvelad mesmis, SviliSvil- 

ocnebas”. Tqven misi mxardamWeri 

xarT da ras ityviT Tundac im 

faqtze, rusi deputati rom vixi- 

leT sakanonmdeblo organoSi? 

protestis grZnoba ar gagiCndaT? 

_ es kiTxva arc unda dagesvaT, 

radgan aRniSnuli faqti aravis 

moewona, arc „ocnebis” momxreebs, 

arc „nacebisas” da mTel saqarTvelos 

ar moewona es faqti. amaze 

komentaric zedmetia da ruseTi 

okupanti rom aris, es Zalian kargad 

viciT. yovel wuTs TavSi 

gvirtyamen am sityvebs da es viciT 

ukve! kargad mogexsenebaT, me 

aTi weli vcxovrobdi moskovSi da 

misi danaxvac ar minda, saerTod ar 

Cavdivar, aq minda cxovreba, radgan 

es aris Cemi qveyana da miyvars 

saqarTvelo. 

_ 20 ivnisis darbeul aqciaze 

minda gkiTxoT da TvalebdaTxr 

xr- 

il axalgazrdebze. ras fiqrobT 

im yvelaferze, rac pirdapiri eT- 

eriT vnaxeT? xSirad avleben par- 

alels 26 maisTan, 7 noemberTan... 

„ocnebam” igive Secdoma dauSva, 

rac „nacionalurma” moZraobam? 

_ ukeTesi iqneba, paraleli ar 

gavavloT da jobia, dRevandeli 

dRiT vicxovroT. Zalian kargi 

iqneboda, rom is ar moxdariyo, 

rac moxda, magram Tu policias 

dawerili kanonebi aqvs, me rac ar 

vici, verc gipasuxeb am Temaze. 

`diax, me `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWeri var 

da ara politikuri figura. Tqven kargad 

iciT, wina mTavrobam rac gamikeTa. rasac dRes 

Cemze weren, is sasamarTlozec ver 

damimtkices, amitom momixsnes is muxli. 

`bariga, bariga, barigaaa~, rom weren viRacebi, 

ra Tqma unda, `nacionaluri moZraobis~ 

momxreebi weren am sisuleles. da rom ver 

damimtkices barigoba, amitomac momixsnes eg 

muxli. es xalxi ver gaerkvia da barigebi 

sadac sxedan pirdapir eTerebSi da mihyavT 

gadacemebi, yvelam kargad icis~ 

obaSi yofnis drosac Cemi Svilia 

iseTi nacemi, dRemde xuT insulins 

ikeTebs mucelSi, diabeti akides 

cixeSi cemis gamo. ver verkvevi, ra 

tyviebi gamoiyenes da amitom unda 

vacadoT gamoZiebas da Tu gaxaria 

damnaSave iqneba, unda gadadges, ra 

Tqma unda, da pasuxic unda agos _ 

am Temaze mets verafers getyvi. 

arasodes mimuSavia policiaSi, rom 

vicode, es ra tyviebia. sanadirodac 

ki ar vyofilvar arasdros da 

ar vici, ver verkvevi... musikaze 

rom vsaubrobdeT, yvelaferze gipasuxebdi. 

_ da mainc, sazogadoeba say- 

vareli adamianebisgan, iqnebian 

momRerlebi, msaxiobebi, xelov- 

anebi Tu sxva, gansakuTrebulad 

moiTxovs da ganixilavs maT ganc- 

xadebebs, miT ufro Tu saqme exe- 

ba politikas. am qveyanaSi yvela- 

feri politizebulia da piradad 

Tqven ramdenad sworad migaCniaT, 

aseTi adamianebi gamokveTilad 

Candnen politikaSi da poli- 

tikurad angaJirebuli iyvnen?! 

_ garda Cveni profesiebisa, 

Cveulebrivi adamianebi varT, Cvenc 

vRiziandebiT, mogvwons, gvixaria 

da iseTive adamianebi varT, rogorc 

dRes, vTqvaT, dganan parlamentTan. 

isinic xom Riziandebian, 

Cvenc vRiziandebiT da SeiZleba 

uceb emociurad raRac Tqva da Seni 

azri gamoxato. levan, verc warmodgineT, 

zogjer vfeTqdebi xolme, 

rodesac saxlSi var, vkiTxulob 

raRac komentarebs da vfeTqdebi. 

davuSvaT, wavikiTxe CemTvis 

rame arasasurveli informacia, Tu 

ar momwons, ubralod gavivli da 

pasuxs ar gavcem, xom? ratom gvivardeba 

viRac ucxo xalxi, TiTqos 

adamianebis es kategoria dage- 

Silebi arian, raRac seqta! vin arian, 

ar vici, megobrebSi ar gvyavs, 

ratom Semovardebian xolme Cems 

kedelze, ver vxvdebi. dRes, magaliTad, 

viRacam raRac saSineleba 

momwera: „Sen SublSi tyvias dagaWedebo”. 

mokvliT damemuqrnen. 

amaze aucileblad gavakeTeb rea- 

laferi momwondes am xelisuflebis?! 

raRac momwons, raRac ar momwons. 

me arc miSas dros davkargav 

im gakeTebuls, rac gakeTda da 

yovelTvis vambob xolme, rom 

raRac gaakeTa da raRac ver gaakeTa. 

me ar var arc imis momxre, 

arc amis momxre, momRerali var! me 

rom mdomeboda politikaSi wasvla, 

wavidodi, arc samsaxuri maqvs 

da arc Tanamdeboba, binac ar mqonda 

da ipoTekiT viyide. vinmes hgonia, 

rom mTavrobidan damexmarnen 

da fuls viReb rameSi?! ipoTekiT 

maqvs nayidi da „Tibisi bankSi” vixdi 

yovelTviurad opoTekas. 

_ dRes qarTuli Soubiznesi 

politizebulia da Tu asea, ram- 

denad azaralebs es mas? 

_ ra Tqma unda, azaralebs, adre 

ufro iyo, axla naklebad aris. Cemi 

kolegebi, Cemi megobrebi sul meCxubebian, 

_ Temo, nu wer raRacas. 

veubnebi, _ vRiziandebi, Tavs ver 

vikaveb-meTqi. vityvi, ar davwer da 

mere isev viwyeb weras. bevri Cemi 

megobari saerTod ignorirebas 

ukeTebs politikur procesebs, 

mgoni, ramdenimem saerTod gaauqma 

„feisbuqi”, raTa araferi waekiTxa. 

adre ufro iyo politizebuli, 

axla aRar aris. saerTod 

kargi iqneba, xelovanebi ar iyvnen 

politikaSi CarTulebi, radgan es 

ar aris Cveni saqme, magram, samwuxarod, 

dRes iseTi situaciaa, ginda 

ar ginda, kiTxulob yvelafers 

da reaqciac gaqvs. 

axla erT istorias getyviT: 

lagodexSi yofnisas koncertis 

organizators emuqrebodnen, eCxubebodnen, 

ratom Camogyavs TaTaraSvilio, 

es opoziciuri partiis 

ramdenime warmomadgeneli iyo. 

warmoidgineT, „nacionalebi” rom 

dabrundnen xelisuflebaSi, me 

scenaze aRar unda vidge. da dRes 

„nacia”, „qocia” Tu vinc aris, yvela 

dgas scenaze da xelisuflebidan 

aravis aviwroeben. amitom 

ar minda maTi dabruneba. SarSan 

foTSi mqonda koncerti, „nacionaluri 

moZraobis” warmomadgenlebma 

Seisyides bileTebi da daxies. 

warmoidgineT, axla, minda me 

maTi dabruneba?! ar minda, ra Tqma 

unda, im drois dabruneba, roca 

yvelaferi politizebuli iyo. 

dRes mTavroba arc erT momRerals 

ar hyofs erTmaneTisgan, yvelasTan 

kargi urTierToba aqvs. 

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mariam quTaTelaZes sami wlis 

quTaisis sabavSvo 

Svili hyavs. gasul wels saxelmwifo baRSi bavSvis Seyvanaze 

uari erTi mizeziT ganacxada _ dawesebulebaSi, romelic mis 

saxlTan axlos iyo, saTamaSoebi TiTqmis ar aqvT, arc moZvelebuli 

inventari moewona. arCevani kerZo baga-baRze gaakeTa, 

Tumca amasac nanobs _ baRSi, romelic quTaisSi saukeTesod 

saxeldeba, arasaTanado kvebaa da aranairi saswavlo, gaw- 

erili programa bavSvebisTvis ar arsebobs. es ori sakiTxi 

qalaqis saxelmwifo baRebSi mogvarebulia. garda saTamaSoebis 

naklebobisa, quTaisis saxelmwifo baRebSi bevri mniSvnelo- 

vani sakiTxia mosagvarebeli, maT Soris, erT-erTi momavali 

saswavlo wlis mTavari prioriteti iqneba. 

„qronika+~-s quTaisis bagabaRebis 

gaerTianebis xelmZRvane- 

li, daviT witaiSvili esaubreba: 

_ axal saswavlo wels gacilebiT 

gamarTulad SevxvdebiT infrastruqturuli 

TvalsazrisiT. 

kompania „sokarTan” erTad yvela 

baRSi aRvnusxavT da gamovasworebT 

darRvevebs, romelic gaTbobas 

ukavSirdeba. yvela gaTbobis 

qvabi gava baRebis gare perimetrze, 

rom zamTris manZilze nebismieri 

SemTxvevisgan dazRveulebi 

viyoT. miuxedavad imisa, rom am danadgarebis 

ZiriTadi nawili garewvisaa, 

yvelanairad vizRvevT 

Tavs. garda amisa, momavali wlidan 

yvela samzareulo, romelic uSualod 

baRis SenobaSia da ar dgas 

damoukideblad, eleqtroficirebuli 

iqneba. marTalia, es xarjiania, 

magram rodesac saqme bavSvebs 

exeba, Tanxa ar iTvleba. aseve axali 

saswavlo wlisTvis sxvadasxva 

baRSi mcire saremonto samuSaoebi 

Catardeba. am etapze CvenTvis 

prioritetia usafrTxoeba, rasac 

sakmaod didi Tanxa sWirdeba, amitom 

sxva sakiTxebi _ saTamaSoebi, 

maswavleblebis gadamzadeba da a. 

S., samwuxarod, gverdze gvrCeba. 

gvinda, rom usafrTxoebis kuTxiT 

gamowveva 0% iyos. 

_ kidev ra mniSvnelovani prob- 

lema awuxebs baRebs? 

_ dabali anazRaureba. mimdinare 

wels quTaisis baga-baRebis 

1750-mde TanamSromlis xelfasma 

50 lariT moimata. 

xelfasebis zrda erT-erTi 

moTxovna iyo, rodesac 2015 wlis 

11 dekembers quTaisSi pirveli, me- 

13, me-15 da me-17 baga-baRebis TanamSromlebi 

gaificnen. gaficulebi 

dabal anazRaurebasa da samuSao 

pirobebs aprotestebdnen. aRmzrdelebi, 

gamgeebi da momvlelebi 

dawesebulebebis cxeli wyliT uzrunvelyofasa 

da xelfasebis momatebas 

moiTxovdnen. aseve aprotestebdnen 

bavSvebis did raodenobas 

jgufebSi da jgufebis gayofas 

an axali sivrcis damatebas iTxovdnen. 

gaficulebs qalaqis maSindelma 

merma, SoTa murRuliam mimarTa 

da moTxovnebis Sesruleba 

aRuTqva. 

mogvianebiT, a(a)ip quTaisis baga-baRebis 

gaerTianebam skolamdeli 

dawesebulebebis TanamSromel- 

Ta gaficva kanongareSed gamoacxada 

da sasamarTloSi iCivla. gaer- 

Tianebis advokati acxadebda, rom 

gaficvis Sesaxeb baRis TanamSromlebma 

winaswar ar Seatyobines 

a(a)ip-s da amiT saswavlo procesi 

CaSales. saqarTvelos Sromis kodeqsis 

mixedviT, gaficvis an lokautis 

dawyebamde aranakleb sami kalendaruli 

dRiT adre unda Seatyobinon 

Sesabamis uwyebebs gaficvis 

dro, adgili da xasiaTi (kari IV, 

Tavi XXI, 49-e muxli, me-5 punqti). 

amave kanonis Tanaxmad, gaficva an 

lokauti ukanonoa, Tu is saomari 

mdgomareobis dros ewyoba, dauSvebelia 

gaficvis uflebis gamoyeneba 

im pirTa mier, romelTa saqmianoba 

dakavSirebulia adamianis sicocxlisa 

da janmrTelobis usafrTxoebasTan. 

gaficvis kanonier- 

ebis an ukanonobis Sesaxeb saboloo 

gadawyvetilebas sasamarTlo 

iRebs. 

quTaisis saqalaqo sasamarTlom 

a(a)ip baga-baRebis gaerTianebis 

mier 2016 wlis 4 ianvars Setanili 

sarCelis ganxilvaze uari Tqva, 

Tumca sarCelis ganmeorebiT Setanis 

Semdeg, amave wlis 8 ianvars, 

saqmis warmoeba daiwyo. sasamarTlos 

gadawyvetilebiT, 13 ianvars 

oTxive gaficuli baRis gamgeebi 

samsaxuridan gaaTavisufles. maT 

Soris, me-15 baga-baRis gamge, nana 

kakuria, romelic aRniSnul momentSi 

8 Tvis fexmZime gaxldaT. gan- 

Tavisuflebis Semdeg qalbatonis 

mdgomareoba damZimda. evropis socialuri 

qartiis mixedviT, romlis 

garkveuli muxlebis ratificirebac 

saqarTvelos parlamentma 

2005 wels moaxdina, orsuli 

qalebisTvis samsaxuridan gan- 

Tavisuflebis Setyobineba an samsaxuridan 

ganTavisufleba SesaZlebelia 

mxolod dekretuli periodis 

dasrulebis Semdeg (me-8 

muxlis me-2 punqti). baRis gamgeebma 

sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba 

gaasaCivres. 18 aprils sasamarTlom 

me-15 baRis gamge nana kakuria 

samsaxurSi aRadgina. 

paralelurad, grZeldeboda 

pirveli baga-baRis gamgis, zaal 

xoneliZis sasamarTlo procesi, 

romelic sazogadoebaSi gaficvis 

organizatorad moiazreboda. mogvianebiT, 

xoneliZe samsaxurSi aRadgines. 

igi dRemde qalaqis nomer 

pirvel baga-baRs xelmZRvanelobs. 

a(a)ip baga-baRebis gaerTianebam 

2017 wels 187 TanamSromlis winaaRmdeg 

Setanili sarCelidan 185- 

ze sasamarTlo dava Sewyvita. gaerTianebaSi 

ganacxades, rom dava 

mas Semdeg Sewyvites, rac TanamSromelTa 

nawilma aRiara, rom gaficva 

arakanonieri iyo, zemoaRniSnuli 

Seutyobineblobis mizezis 

gamo. 

2016 wlis 12 Tebervals a(a)ip 

baga-baRebis gaerTianebis biujeti 

gaizarda da saxelfaso fonds 855 

250 lari daemata (Tavi pirveli, 

muxli 26-e). naxevari milioni lari 

gamoiyo wylis problemis mosagvareblad. 

miuxedavad imisa, rom yvela 

problema etapobrivad gvardeba, 

bevri ram ucvleli rCeba, maT 

Soris, bavSvebis didi raodenoba. 

gasul saswavlo wels qalaqis ramdenime 

baRs damatebiTi sivrceebi, 

axali korpusebi Seemata, rac, garkveulwilad, 

gantvirTavs jgufebs 

da SesaZleblobas miscems maswavleblebs, 

gacilebiT mcire jgufebTan 

ukeT imuSaon. 

bela fxakaZe: 

„mas mere bevri ram Seicvala. 

gvaqvs Tbili wyali, romelsac ara 

mxolod WurWlis gasarecxad, 

saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi, bavSvebis 

dasabanadac viyenebT, gansakuTrebiT, 

2-3-wlian jgufSi, anazRaurebamac 

etapobrivad moimata da 

Cvens baRs mimdinare wels axali 

korpusic miaSenes. imedi maqvs, rom 

Senoba Cems jgufs gantvirTavs. 

bavSvebi Zalian miyvars, Cems 

saqmeze usazRvrod Seyvarebuli 

var. vcdilob, aRsazrdelebi kogniturad 

maqsimalurad ganviTarebuli 

gadavuSva wlis bolos momdevno 

jgufSi, magram SeuZlebelia 

iyo produqtiuli, rodesac 2-3- 

wlian jgufSi, romelic, mxolod 

da mxolod, erT patara oTaxs 

moicavs, 35 bavSvia. me da ZiZa maqsimalurad 

vcdilobT, erTmaneTi ar 

daazianon an Tavad ar daizianon 

rame. Cveni oTaxi mxolod erTia _ 

esaa saZinebelic, sasadiloc da sa- 

TamaSo oTaxic. Zalian rTulia, 

rodesac bavSvebs sZinavT, maTi 

sakvebis narCenebis alageba ise, 

rom romelimem ar gaiRviZos. meore 

sakiTxia swavlebis procesi, 

romelic, ZiriTadad, am asakSi TamaSiT 

unda mimdinareobdes _ es yvelaferi 

did sivrceSi, ra Tqma 

unda, ufro aqtiuri da nayofieri 

iqneboda. rac Seexeba saTamaSoebs 

_ es problemac gvaqvs, Tumca Tavad 

me vakeTeb uamrav sensorul 

aqtivobas, ganmaviTarebel davalebebs, 

TamaSebs vaorganizeb. xSirad, 

mxolod da mxolod, feradi furclebia 

sakmarisi, ase rom, saTama- 

Soebis arqonas rogorRac vuvli 

gverds da sakmaod warmatebuladac. 

meore sakiTxia ezo _ xSirad 

gamyavs bavSvebi gareT, Tumca erTi 

saqaneliTa da aseve erTi, patara, 

moZvelebuli sasrialoTi patarebis 

garToba rTulia. aqac vipove 

gamosavali _ ezoSic sainteresod 

vvarjiSobT da vTamaSobT. 

`SeuZlebelia iyo produqtiuli, rodesac 2-3- 

wlian jgufSi, romelic, mxolod da mxolod, 

erT patara oTaxs moicavs, 35 bavSvia. me da 

ZiZa maqsimalurad vcdilobT, erTmaneTi ar 

daazianon an Tavad ar daizianon rame. Cveni 

oTaxi mxolod erTia - esaa saZinebelic, 

sasadiloc da saTamaSo oTaxic. Zalian 

rTulia, rodesac bavSvebs sZinavT, maTi 

sakvebis narCenebis alageba ise, rom 

romelimem ar gaiRviZos~ 

nino kobaxiZe _ mSobeli: 

„garda arasakmarisi saTamaSoebisa, 

xSirad maswavleblebma ar 

ician, rogor moiqcnen specialuri 

saWiroebis bavSvebTan. 

amaSi maswavleblebs ar vadana- 

Sauleb. maT gadamzadeba sWirdebaT. 

SeiZleba, vinmem ise gaigos, 

rom me Zveli maswavleblebis gaSvebas 

da axalgazrdebis moyvanas 

vemxrobode. ase araa. Cems Svils, 

romelic specialuri saWiroebebis 

mqonea, axalgazrda, energiuli 

maswavlebeli hyavs. samwuxarod, am 

Zalian kargma gogonam ar icoda, 

rogor moqceuliyo maTesTan. arada, 

bavSvs bevri araferi sWirdeba 

_ ubralod, minda maqsimalurad 

integrirdes jgufSi, komunikacia- 

Si Sevides sxva bavSvebTan da gamoavlinos, 

rac icis. maswavlebelma 

miTxra, rom msgavs bavSvebTan 

muSaobas universitetSi ar aswavlidnen. 

swored amitom aris saWiro 

gadamzadeba. maTes maswavlebeli 

Tavad cdilobs, moiZios informacia, 

gaiaros kursebi, Tumca 

yvelaferi Tanxebs ukavSirdeba”. 

bela fxakaZe _ me-15 baga-baR- 

is pedagogi: 

„gasul wels ramdenime treningi 

sakuTari saxsrebiT gaviare. informacia 

damoukideblad movipove, 

rom is tardeboda. axla enisa 

da metyvelebis Seferxebis mqone 

bavSveTan dakavSirebuli treningis 

gavlac msurs, Tumca am kursis 

Rirebuleba Cems anazRaurebas 

aRemateba”. 

mariam javaxaZe _ klinikuri 

fsiqologi: 

„erTi sakiTxia, rodesac maswavlebels 

treningi utardeba, meore 

_ supervizia. supervizia imis Semowmebaa, 

Tu rogor xorcieldeba 

yoveldRiurobaSi maswavleblis 

mier naswavli meTodologia, rogor 

inergeba is principebi, rac mas 

treningze miawodes. samwuxarod, 

aseTi praqtika CvenTan ar arsebobs. 

aravin amowmebs, Seicvala Tu 

ara treningis Semdeg maswavleblis 

midgomebi bavSvebTan”. 

cnobisTvis: organizaciam, sadac 

mariami adreuli ganviTarebis 

programis koordinatoria, ramdenime 

wlis win quTaisis garkveuli 

baRebis maswavleblebi gadaamzada. 

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5 wlis nia baRSi yovel diliT 

bebias dahyavs. cicino ugrexel- 

iZe ambobs, rom skolamdeli 

dawesebulebebi bevri gamowvevis 

winaSe dgas: 

„vera da ver gakeTda remonti 

23-e baRSi, ar aqvT darbazi. oTaxebi 

didi da naTelia, ezoc kargia, 

maswavleblebi da, saerTod, adamianuri 

resursi saukeTesoa. kvebas 

rac Seexeba, aWmeven bevrs da bevrjer, 

magram cotas Tu moswons is 

sakvebi, rac meniuSia, amitom uamravi 

mza sakvebi iyreba. saTamaSoebis 

simcire araxalia. zogadad, sistemasTan 

maqvs pretenzia _ ufro 

metad izrunos patara adamianebis 

ganaTlebaze, maTi interesebis 

gaRvivebaze. minda iyos ezos meti 

aqtivoba, cud amindebSic ki. arsebul 

sistemaSi meti yuradReba eTmoba 

kvebas da naklebi _ ganaTlebaRebis 

problemebi 

kidev erTi mniSvnelovani sakiTxia 

jgufebSi feradi furcleb- 

rac a(a)ip-s SeuZlia moawesrigos _ 

ba-ganviTarebas. yvelaze mTavari, 

isa da fanqrebis ararseboba. fanqrebi 

da saxatavi rveulebi pabi 

yvela oTaxSi, rom amdeni viru- 

es aris baqteriociduli naTuretarebs 

xSirad sWirdebaT. baRebi si ar gavrceldes xdebodes”.. 

jgufebis saTanadod momaragebas 

ver axerxeben, maswavleblebi sakmaia 

surmava _ oTxi wlis sanuTari 

TanxebiT iSviaTad Tu yid- 

dros deda: 

uloben rames, mSoblebs ki msgavsi 

nivTebisTvis Tanxis Segroveba 

baRebSi ekrZalebaT. 

„baRiT kmayofili, Tumca kvebiT 

ukmayofilo var. saWmlis umravlesobas 

zedmeti Saqari aqvs, 

rac patara asakSi namdvilad mizanSeuwonelia”. 

mariam javaxaZe _ klinikuri 

fsiqologi: 

„mTavari, rac quTaisSi baRebs 

aklia, sworad gawerili saswavlo 

programaa. 

specialuri saWiroebis mqone 

bavSvebis raodenoba baRebSi dRi- 

Ti dRe izrdeba. daviwyoT imiT, 

rom jgufebSi bavSvebis raodenoba 

mravalricxovania da orjer Tu 

samjer aWarbebs standarts. es ara 

mxolod specialuri saWiroebis 

mqone bavSvebisTvisaa Semaferxebeli 

ganviTarebis kuTxiT, aramed 

yvela im bavSvisTvis, romelic 

jgufSia. rac Seexeba ssm bavSvebs, 

maT aqvT damatebiTi saWiroebebi 

ganviTarebis, garemos mowyobis 

`Cems Svils, romelic specialuri saWiroebebis 

mqonea, axalgazrda, energiuli maswavlebeli 

hyavs. samwuxarod, am Zalian kargma gogonam 

ar icoda, rogor moqceuliyo maTesTan. 

arada, bavSvs bevri araferi sWirdeba - 

ubralod, minda maqsimalurad integrirdes 

jgufSi, komunikaciaSi Sevides sxva bavSvebTan 

da gamoavlinos, rac icis. maswavlebelma 

miTxra, rom msgavs bavSvebTan muSaobas 

universitetSi ar aswavlidnen. swored amitom 

aris saWiro gadamzadeba. maTes maswavlebeli 

Tavad cdilobs, moiZios informacia, gaiaros 

kursebi, Tumca yvelaferi Tanxebs ukavSirdeba~ 

kuTxiT _ es TiTqmis arc erT quTaisur 

baRSi araa gaTvaliswinebuli. 

garda imisa, rom maT sWirdebaT 

individualuri midgoma, aseve 

sWirdebaT meti yuradReba, rom 

SemTxveviT Tavi ar daizianon. 

amisTvis jgufSi maswavleblebis 

raodenobac arasakmarisia. erTi 

maswavlebeli da erTi damxmare, 

romelsac, ZiriTadad, sisufTavis 

dacva da bavSvebis kveba evaleba, 

30-35 bavSvTan verafers Rirebuls 

ver gaakeTebs. zogierTi maswavlebeli 

axerxebs, did jgufebSic iyos 

produqtiuli, bevr saintereso 

aqtivobas gegmavs, Tumca bavSvebi 

mainc minimalurad itvirTebian da 

amisTvis, albaT, uzarmazari energiaa 

saWiro. 

yvela baRs aklia individualuri 

programa specialuri saWiroebebis 

mqone bavSvebisTvis. amisTvis 

ki meTodisti, fsiqologi da maswavlebeli 

erTad unda zrunavdnen. 

ssm bavSvebi xSirad sxvadasxva 

centrSi dadian, centrebidan adreuli 

ganviTarebis specialistebi 

maT kviraSi erTxel baRebSic stumroben, 

Tumca Tuki maswavleblisa 

da, zogadad, zemoT CamoTvlili 

gundis muSaoba ar iqneba aqtiuri, 

mxolod adreuli ganviTarebis 

specialistis viziti maqsimalur 

Sedegs ver moitans. 

baRebSi ar aris elementaruli, 

rac bavSvebs ganviTarebisTvis sWirdebaT: 

xis saTamaSoebi, feradi 

furclebi, feradi printeri, feradi 

fanqrebi. am yvelafers maswavlebeli 

Tavisi Zalian dabali xelfasiT 

yovelTviurad namdvilad 

ver iyidis, mSoblebsac ekrZalebaT 

am yvelafris gamo fulis akreba. 

_ rame upiratesoba Tu aqvs 

saxelmwifo baRs kerZosTan Se- 

darebiT? 

_ programis TvalsazrisiT saxelmwifo 

baRebSi ukeTesi situaciaa, 

vidre kerZoSi. saxelmwifo 

baRebSi arsebobs gawerili dRis 

rutina: dilis wre, kveba, sxvadasxva 

centri, Semdgom isev kveba da a. 

S. magram es wesebi mainc ar aris 

gamjdari bavSvebis qcevaSi. patarebi 

amas avtomaturad akeTeben, radgan 

maswavlebeli avalebs gakeTebas 

da ara imitom, rom Tavad undaT 

ase. bavSvebi dRis rutinis ganxorcielebaSi 

sakuTari surviliT 

da xalisiT unda CaerTon. amisTvis 

jgufebSi unda iyos bevri vizualuri 

mimaniSnebeli, romliTac bavSvebi 

iswavlian, ra aqtivobis Semdeg 

ra aqtivoba modis. unda iswavlebodes 

qceviTi molodinebi _ 

rTuli qcevis mqone bavSvebisTvis 

es aucilebelia. bavSvebs baRSi unda 

aswavlidnen problemebis gada- 

Wras, rigis dacvas da a. S.” 

bevri mosagvarebeli sakiTxis 

fonze, quTaisis baga-baRebSi situacia 

wlidan wlamde umjobesdeba. 

mimdinare wels quTaisis biujetidan 

qalaqis 37 baRisTvis 10 

850 laria gamoyofili. aqedan 8650 

lari administraciis, 1900 _ bavSvTa 

kvebis, xolo 300 _ lari materialur-teqnikuri 

bazis gasaumjobeseblad. 

rogorc baga-baRebis 

gaerTianebaSi acxadeben, ecdebian, 

momdevno weli gacilebiT meti 

TanxiT daiwyon da sxva prioritetuli 

problemebic nel-nela moagvaron. 

turistuli krizisi kaxeTSi 

saqarTvelos mesame prezidentma, mixeil 

maka mosiaSvili 

saakaSvilma, 2012 wlis martSi Telavis ganviTare- 

599 97 25 55 

bis proeqtis prezentacia moawyo. proeqtis far- 

glebSi gansaxorcielebel samuSaoebze isaubra 

da ganacxada, rom qalaqSi 150-mde saxlsa da 50-mde sazogadoebrivi daniS- 

nulebis Senobas rekonstruqcia Cautardeboda. Telavis reabilitaciis proeq- 

tis ganxorcieleba 2012 wlis gazafxulze daiwyo. reabilitaciis proeqtis 

pirveli etapi 2012 wlis 15 seqtembers dasrulda. 

2012 wlis pirvel oqtombers saqarTveloSi 

saparlamento arCevnebi gaimarTa. 

arCevnebSi „qarTulma ocnebam” gaimarjva. 

xelisuflebis Secvlis Semdeg TelavSi sareabilitacio 

samuSaoebi SeCerda da sacxovrebeli 

saxlebis didi nawili dausrulebeli 

darCa. 

aRsaniSnavia, rom xelisuflebis Secvlis 

Semdeg, SeCerebuli reabilitaciis garda, 

Telavis mcxovreblebis ukmayofileba uxarisxod 

Sesrulebulma samuSaoebmac gamoiwvia. 

2014-2016 wlebSi Telavis rig ubnebSi 

sxvadasxva Senobis reabilitacia moxda. aRniSnuli 

proeqtebi adgilobrivi biujetidan, 

regionebSi gansaxorcielebeli proeqtebis 

fondidan da centraluri biujetidan 

dafinansda. 

qalaq Telavis meriis informaciiT, 2014- 

2016 wlebSi TelavSi reabilitacia mxolod 

rva Senobas Cautarda, aseve aSenda meriis 

axali Senobac. 

sinamdvileSi, 50 milioni dolari, romelic 

qveyanam 2012 wels msoflio bankisgan 

isesxa Telavis reabilitaciisTvis, srulad 

ar gaxarjula. pirveli etapis Semdeg ukve 

Secvlilma xelisuflebam uari Tqva reabilitaciis 

gagrZelebaze, ris gamoc mravali 

weli qalaqs ar gaaCnda muzeumi, galerea, 

reabilitirebuli batonis sasaxle, 

vaxvaxiSvilebis koSki da Teatris fasadi. 

strategiulad yvelaferi ki gaTvlili 

iyo turizmze, magram axali xelisufleba 

fiqrobda, rom danarCeni qalaqis reabilitaciis 

dasruleba am etapisTvis saWiro ar 

iyo. 2012-dan 2014 wlamde qalaqSi, praqtikulad, 

araferi gakeTebula. mxolod 

2013 wlidan Telavis maSindeli meris, platon 

kalmaxeliZes iniciativiT, qalaqSi 8 

Senobis sruli reabilitacia Catarda. 

bolo ori welia, saSinel mdgomareoba- 

Si myofi 4 saerTo sacxovreblis fasadis 

reabilitaciisTvis tenderi tenderze cxaddeba, 

magram aravin monawileobs, qalaqs 

ki, romelsac bolo 3 wlis manZilze turistTa 

didi nakadi stumrobda, arasruli da 

araesTetikuri ieri aqvs. 

gansakuTrebiT bolo TveSi TelavSi, sadac 

arc erT sastumroSi Tavisufali adgili 

noembris dasawyisamde ar iyo, TiTqmis 

javSanTa 80% gaauqmes. saojaxo sastumroebSi 

ki, sadac gasul wels adgili ar iyo, 

wels turisti sanatreli hyavT. 

lili mazanaSvili _ saojaxo sastumros 

mflobeli: 

_ yvelas krediti gvaqvs aRebuli. gvegona, 

gveSvela da eg aris, turisti gveyoleba, 

Semosavali gveqneba... da ra moxda? TelavSi 

saojaxo sastumroSi SarSan rom am 

dros adgilebi ar iyo, wels sanTliT saZebnelia 

turisti. xom SeiZleba, vinmem ifiqros 

mTavrobaSi, adamianebis yofna-aryofnis 

sakiTxi wydeba! aucileblad italiaSi unda 

wavide da iq vimuSao? ar minda da ra vqna, 

Cems saxlSi minda yofna da cota xeli Segviwyon, 

turisti rom ar gagveqces, ar Sei- 

Zleba?! 

meri iokuriZe _ saojaxo sastumros 

mflobeli: 

_ saojaxo sastumro TelavSi maqvs da me 

àraferi eSveleba qveyanas, 

sanam diplomatias ar iswavlian...~ 

vamuSaveb, Cems das alvanSi aqvs... CemTan turisti 

3 dRe rom rCeboda, mere Cems dasTan 

vgzavnidi 3 dRiT... mere is TuSeTSi gzavnida... 

axla aq aravin modis da iq vin wava? 

turistebi, ZiriTadad, belarusebi, ukrainelebi, 

polonelebi da yvelaze meti rusebi 

iyvnen. evropelebi naklebad Semodian, 

ai, Zalian naklebad... da Tu modian, jgufebad 

da samgzavro manqanebiT, ar sWirdebaT 

sastumro. sadac mindors dainaxaven, iq Cerdebian, 

ufro sakempinge adgilebs eZeben da 

ara sastumroebs... an motocikliT dadian... 

ar uyvarT evropel turistebs didad 

kaxeTi. kaxeTic da saqarTveloc yofili 

sabWoTa kavSiris qveynebSi mcxovreblebs 

uyvarT... 

malxaz arudaSvili _ xelovnebaTm- 

codne: 

_ 2012 wlis reabilitaciam Telavi gaacocxla. 

turistebma aqtiuri siaruli daiwyes, 

adgilobrivebma ki _ Rvinis marnebis aRdgena 

da gvaris saxelobis Rvinis Camosxma. 

es imdenad didi stimuli aRmoCnda, rom 

xalxma sesxi aiRo, sastumroebi da marnebis 

gakeTeba daiwyo da raRac forma Camoyalibda, 

ekonomikuri zrda daiwyo... 

amas daemata, rogorc iqna, im daxuruli 

da dangreuli muzeumisa da galereis aRdgena, 

batonis sasaxlis gaxsna... da yvelaferma 

iseTi saxe miiRo, rom procesebi sworad 

midioda... ezoebSi gaxsnes ezos baRebi, savaxSmod 

moawyves minirestornebi... gasul 

wels am dros teva ar iyo, teva!.. axla?! axla 

sadRaa turisti? araferi eSveleba qveyanas, 

sanamde diplomatias ar iswavlian...” 

qalaqis meriaSi Seqmnil problemeze 

komentarebs ar akeTeben... 

adgilobrivi xelisuflebis azriT yvelaferi 

gamosworebadia... 

arada, TelavelTa umetesobas sabanko 

sesxebi aqvT aRebuli, dRes ki Semosavals 

kargavs... strategiuli svla, rom 2012 wels 

Telavi turistuli qalaqi gamxdariyo, Sesrulda, 

magram ramdenad ganviTardeba turistuli 

potenciali, amas momavali gviCvenebs. 

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`jer kidev bevri ram aris 

14 wlis mxatvari, gigi siWinava, 


qveynis masStabiT 200 niWier bavS- 

593 16 01 40 

vs Soris erT-erTia, romelic 

„Tibisi bankis” stipendianti gax- 

da. „gigis saxelosno” zugdidSi Zalian popularulia da mis 

namuSevrebs bevri damTvalierebeli hyavs. mas 270-mde portre- 

ti, 60-ze meti naxati da 300-mde inovaciuri manqana da naZerwi 

nivTi aqvs Seqmnili. is aqtiurad monawileobs gamofenebSi da 

momaval wels saqarTvelos farglebs gareT gegmavs personaluri 

gamofenis mowyobas. patara xelovani autisturi speqtris 

aSlilobis mqone mozardia. gigis diagnozi 4 wlis asak- 

Si aRmoaCines mSoblebma da swored im dRidan daiwyo brZola 

patara xelovanis warmatebuli momavlisTvis. 

naTia saxokia (gigis deda) 

erT-erTi damfuZnebelia organizaciisa, 

romlis mizania, daexmaron 

zugdidSi autisturi speq- 

tris darRvevis mqone pirebs, 

sabaziso unarebis Camoyali- 

bebasa da ganviTarebaSi, xeli 

Seuwyon autizmis mqone bavSvTa 

droul gamovlenasa da adreu- 

li mkurnalobis 

efeqtiani 

sistemis Camoyalibebas. 

_ naTia, pirvelad, rodesac 

gigis diagnozis Sesaxeb gaigeT, 

ra reaqcia gqondaT? 

_ 2008 wels gadavwyviteT, rom 

gigi aucileblad unda migveyvana 

specialistTan, radgan ver 

metyvelebda, daZaxebaze ar reagirebda, 

araadekvaturi TamaSebi 

hqonda da pirveli, rac vifiqreT, 

gvegona, rom smenis problema 

hqonda. mere rodesac TbilisSi 

waviyvaneT da fsiqologTan mivediT, 

autisturi speqtris aSliloba 

daudginda. gigi im dros 4 

wlis iyo. Zalian rTulia im wams 

am yvelaferTan Segueba, Zalian 

rTulad misaRebia yvela dedis- 

Tvis, es mtkivneulia, rodesac 

kiTxvebi gaqvs sakuTar TavTan: 

„me ratom damemarTa? ratom moxda 

ase? ra davaSave?” Tavidan 

Zalian giWirs am problemis aRiareba 

sakuTar TavTan, Tumca 

mere ukve fiqrs iwyeb, Tu rogor 

daZlio mdgomareoba da ibrZvi. 

_ brZolis pirveli etapebi 

rogori iyo? 

_ pirveli, rac gavakeTeT, autizmis 

irgvliv informacia moviZie 

da literaturas gavecani. 

yvelafers veZebdi, rom gamego, es 

ra iyo, ras niSnavda da ra Sansebi 

gvqonda. daviwyeT neirofsiqologis 

rekomendaciebis gaTvaliswineba, 

aseT dros yoveli 

wuTi da wami Zalian mniSvnelovania, 

raTa situacia ukeTesobisken 

Secvalo. am yvelaferSi maqsimalurad 

CaverTeT mec da Cemi 

meuRlec. 

_ gasul wlebSi Cvens qveyana- 

Si am diagnozis mimarT garkveuli 

stigma arsebobda sazogadoe- 

baSi, TiTqmis ar gvqonda maTi ga- 

nviTarebisTvis 

servisebi. 

dResac autizmis mqone pirTa 

uflebebis dacvis kuTxiT 

saqarTvelo araer 

erTi gamowvevis 

winaSea. konkretulad rom 

gviTxraT, ra tipis problemebs 

awydebian autizmis mqone pirebi 

da maTi mSoblebi saqarTveloSi? 

_ autisturi speqtris bavSvebi 

Zalian bevri problebis winaSe 

dgebian dResac. am problemas 10 

wlis winaT wavawydiT. warmoidgi- 

`dainaxe da daafase Cveni 

SesaZleblobebi~ _ gigi 

siWinavas warmatebis formula 

neT, saqarTveloSi ra unda yofiliyo... 

dResac ar arsebobs sruli 

servisebi da sruli komforti am 

mimarTulebiT. 

bevri yofiTi problemis wina- 

Se idgnen da dResac dganan mSoblebi. 

dRes saqarTveloSi ukve 

ramdenime welia, am bavSvebs afinanseben, 

rac moicavs regionebSi 

15 da TbilisSi 20 saaTs. es aris 

(ABA) _ qceviTi Terapiis seansebi, 

romelic uSualod autisturi 

speqtris bavSvebTan erT-erTi 

yvelaze efeqtiani, kvlevebze dafuZnebuli 

Terapiaa _ dadebiT 

Sedegze orientirebuli. es servisi 

xelmisawvdomia, Tumca ver 

getyviT, rom sakmarisia. kidev 

sxva bevri rigiTi saWiroebaa, magaliTad, 

ganaTlebis sistemaSi 

arsebuli problemebi, skola, ba- 

Ri... ar arian gadamzadebuli specialistebi, 

cnobadobis done realurad 

ar aris ganviTarebuli 

am kuTxiT. yovelTvis momyavs magaliTad 

saocnebo qveyana amerika, 

sadac yvelaferi umaRles 

donezea ganviTarebuli da Tu 

Cven am mimarTulebiT saqarTvelos 

SevadarebT, aRmovaCenT, rom 

TiTqmis arafers niSnavs is, rasac 

Cven vTavazobT aseTi tipis bavSvebs. 

Tumca imasac ver vityviT, 

rom saerTod araferi keTdeba, 

ra Tqma unda, keTdeba, magram jer 

kidev bevri ram aris gasakeTebeli 

da gamosasworebeli. 

_ asociacia „gzamkvlevis” 

Sesaxeb minda gkiTxoT, romlis 

erT-erTi damfuZnebelic Tqven 

brZandebiT, im dedebTan erTad, 

romlebsac saerTo gamowveva 

gaerTianebdaT... 

_ diax, Cvenive problemebidan 

gamomdinare, samive mSobels gvqonda 

erTi gulistkivili, samives 

autisturi speqtris bavSvi gvyavda 

da samegreloSi ki ara, im 

dros Tbilisis garda arsad arsebobda 

raime centri, sadac 

SeiZleboda am bavSvebis miyvana da 

Sesabamisi Terapiis Catareba. amitom 

Cven gaverTiandiT da dedebis 

iniciativiT 2016 wels daarsda 

asociacia „gzamkvlevi”, funqcionireba 

daviwyeT 2017 wlidan. 

Cveni miazania, davexmaroT zugdidSi 

autisturi speqtris dar- 

Rvevis mqone pirebs sabaziso unarebis 

Camoyalibebasa da ganvi- 

TarebaSi; xeli SevuwyoT autizmis 

mqone bavSvTa droul gamovlenasa 

da adreuli mkurnalobis 

efeqtiani sistemis Camoyalibebas. 

gvyavs gadamzadebuli kadrebi, 

aseve arian fsiqologebi da mimdinareobs 

qceviTi Terapia, rac 

im dros ar iyo zugdidSi. namdvilad 

unda aRiniSnos, rom regionSi 

Cven SemovitaneT am kuTxiT 

ganaTleba. dResdReobiT Cvens 

centrSi zugdidSi 30-mde beneficiars 

vawvdiT am servisebs. 

_ adgilobrivi TviTmmarTv- 

`yovelTvis momyavs magaliTad saocnebo 

qveyana amerika, sadac yvelaferi umaRles 

donezea ganviTarebuli da Tu Cven am 

mimarTulebiT saqarTvelos SevadarebT, 

aRmovaCenT, rom TiTqmis arafers niSnavs is, 

rasac Cven vTavazobT aseTi tipis bavSvebs. 

Tumca imasac ver vityviT, rom saerTod 

araferi keTdeba, ra Tqma unda, keTdeba, 

magram jer kidev bevri ram aris gasakeTebeli 

da gamosasworebeli~ 

eloba ramdenad aris CarTuli 

da raime tipis daxmarebas Tu 

giwevT? 

_ adgilobrivi TviTmmarTveloba 

ukve CaerTo da urTierT- 

TanamSromlobiT mivaRwieT, rom 

15 saaTiT finansdeba TiTo bavSvi. 

amisTvis didi madloba zugdidis 

merias mxardaWerisTvis. 

imedia, samomavlod 15-saaTian 

dros gazrdian da rogorc dedaqalqSi, 

20-saaTiani momsaxureba 

iqneba. es Terapia Zalian mniSvnelovania. 

magaliTad, amerikaSi 

kviraSi 40 saaTia standarti da 

realurad swored amdenive sWirdeba 

Cvens bavSvebsac. TveSi 15- 

20 saaTi ki, SeiZleba vTqvaT, rom 

saerTod arafris gakeTebas 

sjobs da rac ufro meti mxardaWera 

eqneba am bavSvebs, meti 

Sansi gauCndebaT sazogadoebaSi 

realizebis. 

_ gigi dRes cnobili biWia, is 

saocrad xatavs... rodis aRmoa- 

CineT masSi es niWi? 

_ Zalian did dros uTmobs 

xatvas, 3-4 wlidan gauCnda xatvis 

mimarT interesi, im dros konkretul 

figurebs ar xatavda, magram 

misi interesis sfero namdvilad 

iyo xelovnebis es mimarTuleba 

adreuli asakidan. am dakvirvebiT 

me da Cemma meuRlem gadavwyviteT, 

rom maqsimalurad xeli Segvewyo 

misTvis, radgan SeiZleboda, 

xatvis seriozuli niWi ganvi- 

Tarebuliyo masSi. Tu rame moundeboda, 

SeZlebisdagvarad, yvela 

saSualebas viyenebdiT, rom exata. 

rodesac xatavda da xatvisTvis 

saWiro inventars vyidulobdiT, 

maT danaxvaze Zalian gaxarebuli 

iyo. mere ukve kidev ufro 

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gasakeTebeli da gamosasworebeli~ 

saxelebsa da gvarebs igonebs. yvela 

naxats Tavze laTinurad aweria 

inicialebi. ver vTargmniT, 

ras niSnavs. rodesac vekiTxebiT, 

ver gadmoscems, ra warwerebia. 

yvelas pirovnebebad aRiqvams. 

rodesac alagebs, erTi didi silamazea, 

raRac gardamavali ferebi 

iqmneba. es CemTvis yvelaze 

saocari movlenaa da darwmunebuli 

var, Zalian bevr adamians daebadeba 

kiTxva. marTla mainteresebs, 

am yvelafris axsna minda, 

rom Cemze metad gamocdilma 

profesionaluri kuTxiT ganixilos. 

_ erTi kviris win gigis grandiozuli 

gamofena moewyo dadi- 

anebis sasaxlis ezoSi, amazec 

visaubroT... 

mnaxveli hyavs da ver vimetebT 

gasaCuqeblad. gamomdinare aqedan, 

aseTi alterativa movifiqreT: 

Zalian lamazi samagido nivTi 

SevqmeniT, romelic aris funqciuri, 

romelzedac SesaZlebelia 

iTamaSon didebmac da patarebmac 

da maT Tvalwin es TamaSi gadaiqces 

gigis mier daxatul lamaz 

peizaJebad. 

amasTan erTad, gigis Tavisi 

Semosavlis wyaro eqneba, radgan 

gigis saqmianoba moiTxovs finansur 

mxardaWeras, gigis naxatebiT 

Seqmnili pazlebi ukve iyideba. 

_ rogorc vici, gigis ocnebaa, 

saqarTvelos farglebs gareT 

moewyos misi gamofena. xom ar 

gegmavT uaxloes periodSi da 

zogadad rogor warmogidgeniaT 

dainteresda da sadRac 6-7 wlis 

asakSi pirveli srulyofili namuSevari 

daxata. 

_ gigi, Sen ras gvetyvi Sens 

naxatebze? 

gigi: Zalian patara viyavi, 

rodesac davxate da konturebis 

moxatva daviwye funjiT, CemiT 

viswavle. Zerwvac Zalian miyvars, 

bevr sxvadasxva rames vakeTeb, 

aseve vqmni manqanebs. adamianebis 

portretebi gamovigone da 260 

davxate, bavSvebs vaCveneb, maT 

kacebis saxelebi davarqvi. 

_ Zalian bevri mSobeli xSir- 

ad yuradRebas ar aqcevs bavSvis 

interesebs adreul asakSi, am 

SemTxvevaSi Tqveni gamocdileba 

rom gagviziaroT, ramdenad mniSvnelovania 

aseT dros mxardaW- 

era da xelSewyoba? 

naTia: yvela mSobels minda 

vurCio piradi gamocdilebidan 

da praqtikidan: pirvel rigSi, ar 

arsebobs uniWo bavSvi da ar arsebobs 

bavSvi, romelsac raime 

interesis sfero ar aRmoaCndes. 

da Tu konkretul interess Seam- 

CnevT, romelzec didxansaa koncentrirebuli, 

mas SeiZleba niWi 

hqondes da maqsimaluri xelSewyobiT 

aucileblad gaxvalT Sedegze. 

Cveni magaliTic swored es 

aris, rom Cven gigiSi es niWi davinaxeT, 

ganvaviTareT, mere am yvelaferze 

gigis momavali avageT. 

zustad gigis magaliTi cxadyofs, 

rom man sakuTari Tavi xatvaSi 

ipova. yoveli misi gamofena 

da namuSevrebis Cveneba misTvis 

Terapiaa. gigi gaizarda am yvelafriT 

da sruliad ukontaqto 

bavSvi dRes sazogadoebisken miiltvis 

da sruliad kontaqturia. 

Cven es SevZeliT, risTvisac 

wlebis manZilze vibrZodiT. 

_ gigi, cota xnis win Seni per- 

sonaluri gamofena moewyo dadi- 

anebis sasaxlis ezoSi, uamravi 

stumari movida, Seni gancdebi 

rogori iyo? 

gigi: Zalian kargi dRe iyo, 

bednieri viyavi, bevri stumari 

movida, yvela gansakuTrebuli 

stumari iyo CemTvis. 

_ yvelaze metad romeli 

naxati giyvars? 

gigi: bevri naxati maqvs, Tumca 

gansakuTrebiT Cemi daxatuli 

delfinariumi momwons, SarSan 

viyavi baTumis delfinariumSi, 

dokumentur filmSi gadamiRes, 

delfinebs movefere da maTTan 

erTad gavcure. 

naTia: 70 ferwera aqvs, naZerwebis 

mTeli koleqcia, rasac namdvilad 

ver daviTvli, Zalian 

bevria. yvelafris fotomasala 

arsebobs. samwuxarod, naZerwebi 

formas icvlis da ver vinarCuneb. 

aseve gigi qmnis inovaciur manqanebs, 

es aris Zalian saintereso 

detalebi, TiTqmis manqanis yvela 

detali aqvs am qaRaldis furclisgan 

damuSavebuli da, ase 

vTqvaT, saintereso maketebia. yvelas 

ferebi adevs da SuSebic ki 

Causva. gigim minirebis furceli 

moifiqra. robotebis seriac aqvs 

gakeTebuli, mis mier gamogonili 

da Seqmnili. Zalian bevr nivTs, 

furclis yvela naglejsac ki, vinaxav 

wlebis manZilze. mgonia, 

rom erT dRes gigi Tavad isaubrebs 

am yvelaferze, radgan bevri 

rame CemTvis dRemde gaugebaria. 

_ STambeWdavia gigis mier Seqmnili 

portretebi, vin arian isini? 

naTia: me gamudmebiT vakvirdebi 

sakuTar Tavs da gigisac, bevr 

raRacaze, gulwrfelad giTxraT, 

ar maqvs pasuxi. ar vici, saidan 

qmnis am yvelafers, magram maqvs 

Cemi varaudebi, Cemi xedviT, Tundac, 

es 260 portreti, personaJi, 

aris etapobrivad daxatuli, Ti- 

Tqmis erT weliwadSi, raRac muza 

mosdis... ase daagrova 260 personaJi, 

Tan yvelas winaswar aanonsebda, 

Camowerili hqonda saxelebi 

da gvarebi, vin unda daexata, Semdgomi 

vin iqneboda. jer daxatuli 

ar iyo da ukve mogonili hqonda 

saxelebi da gvarebi. mxolod 

mamakacebis portretebs xatavs. 

àmerikaSi kviraSi 40 saaTia standarti da 

realurad swored amdenive sWirdeba Cvens 

bavSvebsac. TveSi 15-20 saaTi ki, SeiZleba vTqvaT, 

rom saerTod arafris gakeTebas sjobs da rac 

ufro meti mxardaWera eqneba am bavSvebs, meti 

Sansi gauCndebaT sazogadoebaSi realizebis~ 

_ gigis saxelze ukve aris eqvsi 

personaluri gamofena, 4 wlis 

win iyo pirveli gamofena zugdidSi, 

TbilisSi iyo orjer da 

danarCeni isev Cvens qalaqSi. gigis 

SemoqmedebiTi saRamo, romelic 

dadianebis ezoSi gaimarTa, 

Cemi gansakuTrebuli da didi 

xnis ocneba iyo. gigi CemTvis yvelaze 

sensitiuri da emociuria 

Temaa, miuxedavad imisa, rom yvelaferi 

kargad aqvs. saocneboa is, 

rac gigis irgvliv xdeba, magram 

miuxedavad amisa, CemTvis mainc 

rTulia emociebis gareSe saubari. 

es iyo saocari saRamo dadianebis 

ezoSi, xSirad Cems fiqreb- 

Si warmovidgendi zafxulis saRamos, 

sadac ireoda xalxi, iyo sasiamovno 

musika da musikis fonze 

gigis lamazi naxatebi. zustad ase 

mqonda warmodgenili es saRamo 

Cems fiqrebSi. kmayofili var imiT, 

rom Cemi gulwrfeli emocia 

stumrebamde mivida. es saRamo 

Sens TanaqalaqelebTan ase cocxlad 

bevrad ufro rTuli da 

emociuri yofila. saRamo gigis- 

Tvis kidev erTi wingadadgmuli 

nabiji iyo _ gigi namdvilad Sedga 

da Cven gamarjvebulebi varT. 

_ saintereso iyo gamofenaze 

warmodgenili gigis naxatebiT 

gakeTebuli pazlebi... 

_ mogexsenebaT, autizmisa da 

pazlis urTierTkavSiri, es sayovelTaod 

cnobili da aRiarebulia. 

gigis naxatebs Zalian bevri 

gigis momavali mis profesiaSi? 

_ mudmivad siaxles veZebT, 

radgan siaxlis gareSe arc me da 

arc gigis ar SegviZlia, siaxle 

gvasazrdoebs... Tu raime axali 

idea ar gvamoZravebs, Zalian cud 

xasiaTze varT. Cveni didi xnis 

ocneba da gegmaa, rom evropaSi 

gavakeToT gigis gamofena. konkretuli 

qveyana am etapze ar viciT, 

jer molaparakebebi mimdinareobs 

ramdenime adamianTan sivrcis 

SesarCevad da mere rigi procedurebi 

iqneba gasavleli. yvelaze 

mTavari is aris, rom es 

gigis Zalian unda da Cven, ra Tqma 

unda, gigis survilebs viTvaliswinebT, 

yovelTvis mxars davu- 

WerT misi mSoblebi. imedi maqvs, 

gaisad es idea ganxorcieldeba. 

rac Seexeba momavals, Cven er- 

Tad Zalian bevri weli gamoviareT 

da yovelTvis vgrZnobdi 

gigisgan, rom Cem gverdiT Zalian 

didi adamiani iyo, jiutad 

mjeroda yovelTvis, rom aucileblad 

did warmatebebs mivaRwevdiT. 

momavalSi Cemi survilia, 

gigi iyos metad damoukidebeli, 

bednieri, akeTos is, rac mas 

Zalian moswons, uyvars da mgonia, 

rom 14 wlis asakSi warmatebulia 

da Tu am tempiT gavagrZeleT, 

bunebrivia, rom is Zalian warmatebuli 

biWi iqneba. minda, rom 

gigis niWi ufro ganeviTarebinos, 

man icis, rom Zalian didi Sromis 

fasad miiRweva warmateba. 

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ìs erTi kaci unda CamoSordes politikas~ 


31 ivlisi arasdros damaviwydebao, 

_ ambobs msaxiobi goga gvele- 

555 42 42 90 

siani. ar daaviwydeba, radgan swor- 

ed 31 ivliss robert sturuam sakuTar dabadebis dReze msax- 

iobi (da kidev ramdenime) „rusTavelis Teatridan” gamouSva. 

„qronika+~-Tan saubrisas gve- 

lesiani im rTul gzas ixsenebs, 

romelic man Teatridan wamosvl- 

is Semdeg gaiara. 36 weli scenaze 

dgas, Tumca misi es staJi, profe- 

sionalizmi, kariera da cxovreba, 

rac man „rusTavelis Teatris” 

scenaze ganvlo, sturuam erTi 

xelis moweriT gaunadgura: 

_ goga, ra periodi gavida mas 

Semdeg, rac Tqven da ramdenime 

msaxiobi „rusTavelis Teatridan” 

gamogiSves? 

_ 31 ivliss weliwadi gaxdeba. es 

ar damaviwydeba arasdros, radgan 

batoni robert sturuas dabadebis 

dRea da swored am dRes miiRo 

es gadawyvetileba. 

fxulSi unda gveTamaSa da arafer- 

Si miSlida xels. baTumidan TbilisSi 

Sekrebaze Camovedi, sadac 

xeli movawere moTxovnas batoni 

robertis TeatrSi dabrunebasTan 

dakavSirebiT. Semdeg isev ukan davbrundi 

da saRamos ukve speqtaklSi 

viTamaSe. maxsovs, maSin „qe- 

To da kote” „nacionalebis” speqtaklad 

Seracxes. 

_ ratom? 

_ ar vici, ratomRac, ase aRiqves. 

_ imitom xom ara, rom speqt- 

aklSi iseTi saxeebi TamaSobdnen, 

romlebic, ase Tu ise, maT mxar- 

damWerebad miiCnevian? 

_ daviT doiaSvilma dadga, 

_ Teatridan gamogiSves da 

rogor grZeldeba Tqveni cxovre- 

ba? ra xdeba am yvelafris Semdeg? 

_ musikisa da dramis TeatrSi 

daviT doiaSvilma 5 wlis win dadga 

speqtakli „fskeri”, sadac erTerTi 

mTavari roli maTamaSa da sami 

wlis win wardgenili viyavi xuT 

saukeTeso msaxiob mamakacs Soris. 

minda aRvniSno, rom daviT doiaSvilTan 

muSaobis procesi Zalian 

sainteresoa, rac gamoixateba mis 

profesionalizmSi, ris gamoc me 

Tavs komfortulad vgrZnob. sxva 

Teatrebisgan gansxvavebiT musikisa 

da dramis TeatrSi sakmaod dabali 

xelfasebia. amasTanave, minda 

SegaxsenoT, rom 16 wlis winaT gavyide 

Cemi oTxoTaxiani bina. es 16 

weli binidan-binaSi, qiridan-qira- 

Si davexetebodi. is xelfasi, rac 

rusTavelis TeatrSi mqonda, ase 

Tu ise, myofnida. isev daTo doiaSvilma 

gadamarCina. garda amisa, ramdenime 

msaxiobma da xelovnebaSi 

ZlebT Tavis gatanas. erTi periodi 

vfiqrobdi, rom taqsaoba damewyo, 

magram roca es regulaciebi da 

aTasi ram Semovida, mivxvdi, magdens 

veRar gavqaCavdi. 

_ robert sturuas poli- 

tikuri pozicia Tu igrZnoboda 

TeatrSi? 

_ politikuri pozicia igrZnoboda, 

Tumca veravis magivrad ver 

vilaparakeb. mis dadgmul speqtakl 

„godos molodinSi” 2003 wels 

Teatralurma kritikosebma wlis 

saukeTeso msaxiobi mamakacis rolis 

Semsruleblad maRiares (miuxedavad 

imisa, rom ar iyo mTavari 

roli). batoni roberti yovelTvis 

kmayofili iyo Cemi Sesrulebuli 

rolebiT. kmayofili var yvelafriT, 

rac Cems cxovrebaSi moxda. 

pirvelad baton miSa TumaniSvilis 

xelSi movxvdi, romelmac maswavla 

da damaufla am profesias da profesionali 

msaxiobi var, Semdegi 

etapi iyo 20 weli baton robert 

damatebuli is, rom daTa aris axalgazrda, 

axali sisxli, axali 

Taobis, absoluturad axleburad 

azrovnebs da darwmunebulia ima- 

Si, rasac akeTebs. Teatris garda 

mas cxovreba ar SeuZlia da rac 

mTavaria, is Zalian niWieria. 

_ ra gaswavlaT am erTma wel- 

ma. araferze gwydebaT guli? 

_ dRevandeli gadasaxedidan 

ufro ar mwydeba guli. RmerTma 

didxans acocxlos batoni roberti, 

magram Semagua imas, rom Sesa- 

Zlebelia mis gareSe cxovreba, 

Tumca SeiZleba me ufro adre wavide 

am qveynidan da masac ar gau- 

Wirdeba Cem gareSe cxovreba, miuxedavad 

imisa, rom Zalian axlo adamianebi 

viyaviT. bolo periodSi 

„rusTavelis Teatris” SenobaSi 

mimZimda Sesvla, sadac sicivesa da 

siyalbes vgrZnobdi. gana konkretul 

adamianebSi an Cems kolegeb- 

Si, _ ara. yvelaferi kanonzomieria. 

savaraudod, im garemocvaSi da im 

òri ZaRli myavs, mesame 

mosamravleblad Camoviyvane, 

rom Tavi virCino~ 

`rogorc ki `mecenatma~ 

politikaSi wasvla 

gadawyvita, mis 

daxmarebaze uari vTqvi~ 

_ ris safuZvelze miiRo pi- 

radad Tqveni ganTavisuflebis 

gadawyvetileba? gisaubriaT robert 

sturuasTan am Temaze? 

_ aranairi Sexvedra ar gvqonia. 

metsac getyviT: moqmedi msaxiobi 

viyavi, speqtaklebSi vTamaSobdi da 

marTla ar vici, ra moxda. 

_ anu ganTavisuflebis mizezi 

TqvenTvis ucnobia? 

_ varaudiT cota uxerxulia, 

rame vTqva, Tumca arsebobs raRac 

versiebi. 

_ eWvis doneze SegiZliaT, 

gviTxraT, konkretulad, ras 

ukavSirdeba Tqveni ganTavisu- 

fleba? 

_ baton robert sturuas vuTxari, 

rom Tu sxva SemoTavazeba meqneboda, 

ra gamekeTebina? vkiTxe, 

SeiZleboda Tu ara, sxva TeatrSi 

meTamaSa, razedac Tanxmoba ganmicxada. 

bevr SemoTavazebaze iqamde 

uars vambobdi. ise daemTxva, 

rom „qeTo da kotes” premieris TamaSis 

meore dResve batoni roberti 

Teatridan gauSves. savaraudod, 

batoni roberti fiqrobda, 

rom mec uari unda meTqva speqtaklSi 

TamaSze. bevri dro mqonda 

imisTvis, rom mefiqra, ris gamo gamiSves 

Teatridan. reJisors Tavisuflad 

SeuZlia giTxras, rom aRar 

xar saintereso misTvis da gagiSvas, 

raSic ver Seedavebi, magram 

rodesac xedav, rom daukavebeli 

msaxiobebi hyavs TeatrSi, fiqrs 

iwyeb imaze, Tu ra „SemeSala” an 

„Sevcode”. miT umetes, es proeqti 

Teatrs ar exeboda, mxolod za- 

speqtaklSi TamaSobdnen paata burWulaZe, 

nani bregvaZe, nino ananiaSvili, 

sofo niJaraZe, eka kaxiani, 

nino qaTamaZe da ra vici, musikisa 

da dramis sxva msaxiobebi. me am 

miuziklis wamyvani-mTxrobeli viyavi. 

bolos ise aewyo, rom baton 

roberts speqtaklebSi aRar davukavebivar. 

madlobeli var daviT 

doiaSvilis, rom gavaxsendi da aseT 

araCveulebriv miuziklSi maTamaSa. 

madlieri viyavi batoni „mecenatis” 

da dRemde var, Tumca dRes 

is mecenati aRar aris, garkveuli 

periodi viRebdi mis daxmarebas, 

magram rogorc ki man politikaSi 

wasvla gadawyvita, uari vTqvi mis 

daxmarebaze da aRaraferi amiRia. 

SeiZleba, esec aris erT-erTi 

mizezi, ris gamoc Teatridan gamomiSves 

da ase nel-nela grovdeboda 

patar-patara mizezebi. 

_ daxmarebaze uari ratom 

TqviT? 

_ mecenatisgan aRebuli Tanxa 

sxva aris da politikosisgan _ 

sxva. me ase mimaCnia, vin rogor 

fiqrobs, aravis ganvsji. dRevandeli 

gadasaxedidan mgonia, rom 

Zalian sworad moviqeci. 

_ anu kidev erTxel rom davazustod: 

Tqven yovelgvari das- 

abuTebisa da axsna-ganmartebis 

gareSe gamogiSves Teatridan? 

_ namdvilad. 

_ amis Sesaxeb direqciam 

gagagebinaT? 

_ direqciisgan sofelSi uwyeba 

Camomivida baton robert sturuas 

xelis moweriT. 

moRvawe adamianma raRac konkretuli 

Tanxa Seagrova da mec bankidan 

gamovitane vali, radgan es bina 

meyida mTawmindaze. yovelTviur 

procents, 450 lars vixdidi. rusTavelis 

Teatridan gaSvebis Semdeg 

da musikisa da dramis Teatr- 

Si darCenili 500 lariT, Tqven warmoidgineT, 

rogor vicxovre es 

erTi weliwadi. 

_ kompensancia ar gadauxdiaT? 

_ erTi Tvis kompesancia momces. 

_ amJamad mTawmindaze cx- 

ovrobT? 

_ am binis gayidvaSi Tamar iverma 

damarwmuna, rom ase cxovreba 

aRar SeiZleboda da did diRomSi 

mayidina patara nakveTi, sadac 

koteji unda Cavdga. bankis procenti 

ki 10 wlis ganmavlobaSi unda 

davfaro. agreTve kinologiur federaciaSi 

var gawevrianebuli da 

Zalian davinteresdi am sferoTi, 

SemoqmedebiTad mivudeqi. myavs Za- 

Rlebi da weliwadSi erTxel, roca 

maTi lekvebi daibadebian, es 

iqneba Cemi ZiriTadi Semosavali. 

dRevaneli gadasaxedidan rom 

vuyureb, Zalian kargi ram gaakeTa 

batonma robertma. 

_ ras gulisxmobT? 

_ es rom ar momxdariyo, isev ase 

viqnebodi. 

_ ase rogor? 

_ isev am binaSi. iq ki ufro kargi 

pirobebi meqneba, ori ZaRli 

myavs, mesame Camoviyvane mosamravleblad, 

Tavi rom virCino. asea 

cxovreba, vin rogor, riTac Sev- 

sturuasTan da kidev ufro gavizarde, 

dRes ki Cemi SemoqmedebiTi 

cxovreba ukavSirdeba daviT doia- 

Svils da bednieri var. 

_ ise saubrobT, rom TiTqos 

msaxiobobaze xeli CaiqnieT. asea? 

_ ara, ara saerTod ar Camiqnevia 

xeli. imeds vitoveb, rom doi 

momavalSic damakavebs axal speqtaklebSi. 

_ Tumca sxva Teatridan rom 

gqondeT SemoTavazeba, SezRudva 

ar geqnebaT, xom? 

_ SezRuduli ar viqnebi, ubralod, 

gaaCnia Teatrs, reJisorsa da 

msaxiobebs, visTan erTadac momiwevs 

muSaoba. Zalian momwons da 

mainteresebs reJisor daTa TavaZesTan 

muSaoba. daTa Cemi didi imedia 

axalgazrda TaobaSi, is qarTuli 

Teatris erT-erTi reformatori 

iqneba. danarCeni, yvelasTan 

bodiSs vixdi, magram iseT reJisorebTan 

maqvs naTamaSebi, TumaniSvilidan 

dawyebuli da doiaSviliT 

damTavrebuli, rom yvela re- 

JisorTan ver waval. imitom ki ara 

rom ar waval, ubralod, ver waval, 

radgan ar mainteresebs. SeiZleba 

damwyebTan wavide, magram is iyos 

eqsperimenti, Tumca yoveli axali 

speqtakli nebismier reJisorTan 

eqsperimentia. 

_ ra aris reJisor daTa TavaZ- 

eSi is, ramac Tqveni yuradReba 

miipyro? 

_ absoluturad yvelaferia 

masSi is, rac hqonda TumaniSvils, 

rac aqvs sturuas, doiaSvils, Temur 

CxeiZes, Wolas da a. S. amas 

TeatrSi var, sadac mafaseben da 

adamianad magdeben. 

_ am yvelafers ver grZnobdiT 

„rusTavelis TeatrSi”? 

_ rodesac „rusTvelis Teatr- 

Si” kargi periodi mqonda da yvela 

micinoda, Tqven ra ggoniaT, ar 

vicodi, vin, rogor da ra guliT 

iyo ganwyobili Cemdami? eg araferi. 

miuxedavad imisa, rom kargad 

vxedavT, Tu ra trialebs qveyana- 

Si. saerTod, saxelmwifoc aRar 

gvqvia, saSineleba xdeba. erTi kaci 

wyvets, buCqi sad dairgos. gaxarias 

gadadgomas rom iTxoven, Zalian 

mikvirs, radgan aq konkretuli 

ministri ki ara, is erTi kaci unda 

CamoSordes politikas. ixaros, 

gaixaros cxovrebiT, gadargas xeebi, 

datkbes Tavisi SesaZleblobebiT, 

magram politikas CamoSordes. 

gagvamaTxovra xalxi. sigarets gvi- 

Zvireben im motiviT, rom TiTqos 

Cvens janmrTelobaze zrunaven da 

maSin sakvebi produqti gaaiafon. 

SimSilisgan ixocebian bavSvebi da 

upatrono moxuci Taoba. 

_ ra molodini gaqvT? 

_ pozitiuri. yvelaferi ukeTesobisken 

Seicvleba, radgan sazogadoeba 

metad gaizarda da ganviTarda, 

meti moTxovna eqnebaT axlad 

arCeuli xelisuflebis mimarT, 

ris Semdegac, darwmunebuli var, 

saqarTvelo daibrunebs ruseTis 

mier aneqsirebul teritoriebs da 

gaxdeba evrokavSirisa da natos 

sruluflebiani wevri. me mjera 

Cveni axalgazrdobis. 

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qarTul SoubiznesSi TiTze 

CamosaTvleli momRerlebi moRvaweoben aqtiurad da stabil- 

urad. bevrs simReris stimuli daekarga, albaT, arc arasdros 

yofila maTTvis musika mniSvnelovani, zogma arsebuli situ- 

aciidan gamomdinare xeli Caiqnia, mizezad ki koncertebis 

naklebobas asaxelebs. Tumca, rogorc Cans, Rirebuls arc 

iqamde qmnidnen, rom romelimes droisTvis gaeZlo. ramdenime 

momReralma politikaSic scada bedi, ifiqra qveyanas simRe- 

riT aaSenebda, Tumca im fonze, roca maT SoubiznesSi ver 

Tqves Tavisi saTqmeli, saeWvoa, qveynisTvis raime Rirebuli 

gaekeTebinaT... magram arian momRerlebi, romlebic dRemde 

erTgulad emsaxurebian im saqmes, rasac musika hqvia. 

momRerali veriko turaSvili 

ukve 20 welia, scenaze dgas da yovelTvis 

cdilobs, msmenels rac 

SeiZleba bevri axali, saintereso, 

xarisxiani proeqti, simRera da 

klipi SesTvazos. arasdros Cerdeba 

da ambobs, rom es aris is saqme, 

rasac mTeli cxovreba emsaxureba. 

msmenelis yuradRebas yovelTvis 

iqcevs, radgan misi simRerebi gajerebulia 

didi emociiT. gulze 

gxvdeba yvela is fraza, melodia 

Tu noti, romelsac is asrulebs. 

Tavisi specifikuri xmiT sazogadoebas, 

jer kidev, 20 wlis win daamaxsovra 

Tavi da Seayvara, rodesac 

man momReral aCiko mefariZesTan 

erTad imRera dueti. ambobs, 

rom aCiko misi musikaluri naTliaa. 

sul axlaxan veriko turaSvilma 

Tayvanismcemlebs morigi namuSevari 

warudgina. „rom miyvarxar” 

_ ase hqvia simReras, romelic 

momReral Temo sajaias ekuTvnis. 

igi upasuxo siyvarulzea. klipi, 

romlis prodiuseric aCiko mefariZea, 

wyaltuboSi, mitovebul 

sanatoriumSia gadaRebuli. 

„qronika+”-is dRevandeli nom- 

ris stumari veriko turaSvilia, 

romelic amJamad grandiozul 

proeqtze muSaobs, ris Sesaxebac 

is prvelad Cvens mkiTxvels 

mouyveba: 

_ amboben, adamiani, am SemTxvevaSi, 

musikoss vgulisxmob, ma- 

Sin qmnis saukeTeso namuSevars, 

rodesac is Zalian Seyvarebu- 

liao. Sens SemTxvevaSic ase xom ar 

aris da swored imitom xom ar 

daarqvi simReras „rom miyvarx- 

ar”? 

_ Seyvarebuli namdvilad ar 

var da miT umetes, ise tragikulad, 

rogorc simReraSia. Cems 

saqmeze var Seyvarebuli. Temo sajaiam 

es simRera iseT periodSi 

dawera, rodesac gansakuTrebuli 

emociebi hqonda mozRvavebuli. es 

teqsti Cemi sulis amoZaxili namdvilad 

araa, magram Cems xmasa da 

Semoqmedebas aseTi Janri uxdeba. 

Sesabamisad, Temom es simRera me 

maCuqa. 

_ Temo sajaiasTan aqtiurad 

TanamSromlobT, garda imisa, rom 

Tqven saukeTeso megobrebi xarT. 

axlosaa misi Semoqmedeba Tqvens 

sulier samyarosTan, Tu?.. anu 

ratom Temo da ara sxva kompozi- 

tori? 

_ TemosTan bolo periodia, 

rac musikaluri TanamSromloba 

daviwye, Torem Zalian bevr sxva 

kompozitorTan vTanamSromlobdi 

da kvlav vagrZeleb urTierTobas. 

ubralod, mgonia, rom Temo Cem- 

Tvis Zalian kargi avtoria da sul 

vafxizleb da veubnebi, rom gaagr- 

Zelos wera, radgan es saqme Zalian 

kargad gamosdis. kidev erTi axali 

simRera Cavwere, romelic aseve 

Temos ekuTvnis da minda, aqtiurad 

gavagrZelo masTan musikaluri 

TanamSromloba. merwmuneT, rom 

igi bevr santereso raRacas gaakeTebs. 

_ mogviyeviT im proeqtis Se- 

saxeb, romlis prezentaciac sul 

cota xnis win gaimarTa. 20 wlis 

Semdeg Tqven da aCiko mefariZe 

kvlav erTad gixileT, amJamad 

aCikom prodiuseroba gagiwiaT. 

rogor Sedga Tqveni tandemi, vis- 

gan wamovida idea, rom aCiko yofiliyo 

Tqveni am erTi konkret- 

uli proeqtis prodiuseri? 

_ 20 weli gavida, rac me da aCikom 

erTmaneTi gavicaniT da davmegobrdiT. 

simarTle giTxraT, ar 

maxsovs, visgan wamovida pirvelad 

idea. iqidan gamomdinare, rom aCiko 

Cemi naTliaa SoubiznesSi, mgoni, 

es ideac misgan wamovida. misi 

azri yovelTvis misaRebi iyo CemTvis. 

saqmiani winadadeba ki ar SemomTavaza, 

aramed erTad daviwyeT 

fiqri, Tu rogori aranJireba mouxdeboda 

am simReras, rogori nam- 

Reri, mere studiaSi rom Sevedi da 

es simRera Cavwere, aCikos Zalian 

moewona. Semdeg videoklipze Cemze 

meti imuSava da Zalian aqtiurad 

iyo yvelaferSi CarTuli. 

_ Tqven da aCiko mefariZes Cawerili 

gaqvT dueti „midian dRee- 

bi”, romelic msmenelma Seiyvara 

da dRemde didi popularobiT 

sargeblobs. ar gegmavT, 20 wlis 

Semdeg msmenels axali dueti 

SesTavazoT? 

_ rogor ara. jer detalebs ver 

getyviT, magram aucileblad vapirebT 

duets da simRerac ki SevarCieT, 

Tumca mogvianebiT 

gagimxelT yvelafers. 

_ videoklipis Sesaxeb mogviy- 

eviT. Zalian gansxvavebuli da or- 

iginaluri klipi gadaiReT, ramac 

sazogadoebis didi mowoneba dai- 

msaxura. vin iyo klipis reJisori, 

vin izruna Tqvens imijze da 

ufro detalebi rom gagvandoT. 

_ is xasiaTi da ganwyoba, rac 

videoSi igrZnoba, esec aCikos mofiqrebulia. 

araCveulebrivi dizaineri 

zrunavda Cems Cacmulobaze, 

_ es kostiumebi devid gevorqovs 

ekuTvnis, romelic Zalian momixda. 

rac Seexeba lokacias da klipSi 

gamoyenebul vizualur mxares, esec 

aCikos mofiqrebulia, mas undoda, 

rom aseTi vyofiliyavi. Zalian 

bevr reJisors SevxvdiT, magram, 

sabolood, arCevani erT adamianze 

SevaCere, romelic, sxvaTa Soris, 

„feisbuqSi” myavda megobrebSi 

da mis namuSevrebs rom gadavxede, 

Zalian momewona. es gaxlavT serioga 

spilbergi, romelic saqarTveloSi 

ar imyofeboda, raRac periodis 

mere Camovida da zustad is 

gadaiRo, rac vuTxariT da gvindoda. 

arasdros var Cemi namuSevrebiT 

100%-iT kmayofili, magram 

mgonia, rom gamogvivida. 

_ namdvilad Sedga, radgan socialur 

qselSi Sens axal namuSe- 

vars Zalian didi gamoxmaureba 

moyva. prezentaciamac pompezur- 

ad Caiara, iyo dreskodi, uamravi 

cnobili adamiani, wiTeli xaliCa 

da a. S. xalxis aseTi gamouxmaureba, 

albaT, msmenelis monatre- 

bamac gamoiwvia, radgan Tqven 

raRac ac periodi SemoqmedebiTi 

pauza gqondaT aRebuli. ras ukav- 

Sirdeboda es pauza? 

_ simarTle giTxraT, didi pauza 

namdvilad ar mqonia. bolo ori 

wlis manZilze oTxi video gavakeTe, 

aqedan ori solo da ori 

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veriko turaSvili 

da aCiko mefariZe 

20 wlis Semdeg isev 

erTad imRereben 

`qveyanaSi arsebuli 

rTuli mdgomareoba 

yvela sferoze 

uaryofiTad aisaxeba~ 

dueti, iqamde anri joxaZesTan aqtiurad 

vTanamSromlobdi da mgonia, 

rom me da anrim Zalian kargi 

saerTo namuSevrebi gavakeTeT. samwuxarod, 

zogadad, Soubiznesi ar 

iyo im periodSi Zalian aqtiuri da 

albaT es gaxldaT mizezi. es aris 

Cemi saqme, sxva ramiT ar var dakavebuli 

da SeZlebisdagavarad 

vcdilob, rom mayurebels sul 

axali namuSevrebi SevTavazo. 

_ aRniSneT, rom Soubiznesi ar 

iyo aqtiuri da dRes ramdenad 

aqtiuria igi, igrZnoba gamococx- 

leba? 

_ ra Sedarebaa. albaT, amas 

Tqvenc SeamCnevdiT. es gamococxleba 

bevrma faqtorma gamoiwvia: 

Cvens realobaSi gaCnda musikaluri 

dajildoeba „oqros talRa”, 

romelmac momRerlebs didi stimuli 

mogvca. roca socialur qsel- 

Si vuyureb Cems megobar kolegebs, 

vxedav, rom xan erTi prezentaciaa, 

xan _ meore da a. S. koncertebi tardeba, 

xalxi dadis, bileTebs yidulobs. 

adre iyo ufaso da saar- 

Cevno koncertebis periodi, axla 

kidev vxedavT, rom xalxi dadis da 

bileTs yidulobs. 

_ qarTuli musika moTxovnadi 

gaxda? 

_ ra Tqma unda, rac Zalian sasiamovnoa. 

erT dros rom Soubiznesi 

yvaoda, im periods ver gavutolebT, 

magram ukeTesoba igrZnoba. 

_ albaT, individualuri mom- 

Rerlis aqtiurobazea damokide- 

buli Tundac is, , ramdenad axals 

miawvdis msmenels, rom Semdeg 

koncertebi Caataros. asea? 

_ ra Tqma unda. es yvelaferi 

erTmaneTze aris damokidebuli. es 

sfero rom ufro aqtualuri gaxdeba, 

mere Tamamad Cadeben adamianebi 

am yvelaferSi investicias. me 

ar maqvs xolme magis problema, 

radgan klipis gadaRebis dros myolia 

sponsorebi, xandaxan ar myolia, 

magram vaxerxeb. erTi is vici, 

rom sul siaxle unda SesTavazo 

msmenels da mudmiv muSaobaSi unda 

iyo. 

_ rogorc vici, Tqveni axali 

namuSevari zuzu beJaSvilis xsov- 

nas miuZRveniT. 

_ diax, Cems zuzukas mivuZRveni, 

radgan es simRera Zalian ainteresebda. 

simRera, zogadad, siyvarulzea 

da sxvanairi teqsti aqvs, 

magram zuzu Cemi uaxloesi adamiani 

iyo, es aranJirebis procesi 

Zalian gaiwela da sul veubnebodi, 

rom daica, damTavrdes da dasrulebul 

versias mogasmeninebmeTqi. 

Temomac Zalian inerviula 

amaze, rogor ver movaswariT, rom 

mogvesmeninebinao. es simRera zuzus 

eZRvneboda da, saerTod, yvelafers, 

rasac gavakeTeb, mas mivuZ- 

Rvni, radgan is iyo Cemi yvelaze 

didi gulSematkivari. sul meubneboda, 

rom Sen jer kidev ar gimReria 

is, rac samReri gaqvso. axla 

rasac gavakeTeb, yovelTvis vifiqreb 

imaze, es rogor moewoneboda 

zuzus. 

_ rogorc vici, amJamad axal, 

grandiozul proeqtze muSaobT. 

amis Sesaxeb dawvrilebiT mogv- 

iyeviT. 

_ am etapze mosayoli bevri araferia, 

magram erT rames getyviT: 

vmuSaob axal simReraze, romlis 

teqsti da musika ekuTvnis isev Temo 

sajaias. absoluturad gansxvavebuli 

Janria Cemi repertuarisgan 

da masStaburi gadaRebebi iwyeba. 

prodiuseri iqneba aCiko mefariZe, 

dizaineri isev devid gevorqovia, 

aseve araCveulebrivi stafi 

gvyavs ukve SerCeuli, gadaRebebi 

iqneba mxolod TbilisSi da am 

yvelafris prezentacia Sedgeba 

Tbilisobas. 

_ ramdenad Tamam da provoka- 

ciul nabijebs unda velodoT 

Tqvengan? rogori iqneba gansx- 

vavebuli veriko turaSvili? 

_ erTi suli mqonda, im videos 

prezentacias rodis Cavatarebdi, 

rom axal proeqtze damewyo muSaoba. 

amazec ukve didi xania, daviwye 

fiqri, aranJireba ukve dasrulebulia 

da, SeiZleba iTqvas, es bevrad 

Tamami nabiji iqneba Cemgan, vidre 

aqamde gamikeTebia. klipSi ar 

viqnebi mxolod me, es iqneba Zalian 

mravalricxovani, sadac CarTulia 

bevri adamiani da gvinda, Zalian masStaburi 

iyos. imedia, yvelaferi 

ise gamova, rogorc CavifiqreT. 

_ Semdgari momRerali xarT, 

bevri ram gaakeTeT da kidev bev- 

ri gaqvT gasakeTebeli, magram 

solo koncertis Catarebaze ar 

gifiqriaT? marTalia, es yvelaferi 

did fufunebasTan aso- 

cirdeba, magram mainc... 

_ ki, mifiqria. yvelafers Tavisi 

dro aqvs, solo koncertamde 

unda mixvide. 20 welia, rac scenaze 

vdgavar da aqamdec SeiZleboda 

mefiqra solo koncertis Catarebaze, 

Tumca qveyanaSi Seqmnili 

viTarebis gamo da SoubiznesSi arsebuli 

mdgomareobidan gamomdinare, 

aqamde raRac ver moxerxda, 

magram axla mgonia, rom movida 

amis dro. vfiqrob, Zveli da axali 

simRerebiT saintereso koncerts 

gavakeTeb. Cemi koncerti rogoric 

warmomidgenia, sakamod didi 

momzadebaa saWiro. ase fleSkiT 

ver mival da ver vimRereb. amitom 

amas unda aucileblad finansebi, 

cocxali bendi da bevri sxva niuansi. 

rac mTavaria, amaze ukve aqtiurad 

daviwye fiqri. 

_ veriko, zogadad qveyanaSi 

arsebuli rTuli mdgomareobebi 

ramdenad uaryofiTad aisaxeba 

Tqvens sferoze da raSi gamoix- 

ateba es? 

_ absoluturad yvelaferze 

aisaxeba. magaliTad, mqonia raRac 

konkretul kompaniasTan molaparakeba 

da aseTi areulobebis gamo 

SeTanxmeba CaSlila. zogadad, qveyanaSi 

arsebuli rTuli mdgomareoba 

yvela sferoze uaryofiTad 

aisaxeba. 

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qarTvelebi evropaSi: jer kargia... 

optimizmis gareSe qomagoba aba, 

vis gaugia, magram rac saqarTvelos 

Cempionma „saburTalom” Caidina, 

optimizmis saRvrebsac scdeba. tiraspolis 

„Serifi” kai kerketi kakalia 

da qarTulebi iqiT iyos, bevri 

saxeliani gundisTvis mouSlia 

nervebi. hoda, CempionTa ligis pirvel 

etapze moldovelebi upirobo 

favoritebad rom miiCneodnen, Cavidnen 

tiraspolSi es Cveni saburTaloeli 

biWebi da 3:0 Seuracxyves 

sruliad moldovis siamaye. 

Cinebuli starti gvqonda evropa 

ligazec. Tbilisis „dinamom” 

„engordens” eqvsi upasuxo goli 

gautana da Tavi qudSi aqvs. 

saCxeris „Cixuram” stumrad 

daamarcxa luqsemburgis „fola” 

2:1 da wesiT, arc am wyvilSi gvaqvs 

sanerviulo _ zemoimerlebma barieri 

unda gadalaxon. 

erTaderTi quTaisis „torpedo” 

dagvimarcxes gasvlaze, isic 

minimaluri angariSiT da isic kaxa 

cxadaZis gundma. Cimkentis „ordebasTan” 

0:1-is Semotrialeba warmoudgeneli 

ambavi ar aris, arc gadauWreli 

amocanaa, im sakadro 

cvlilebebis fonzec ki, romelic 

amJamad quTaisur klubSi mimdinareobs, 

Tumc... 

levani kadobanSi 

81 

Cvenia 

didi xnis ganmavlobaSi 

qarTuli Ziudos yvelaze 

did problemad 81 kilogramamde 

woniTi kategoria iTvleboda. 

rogorc Cans, wonis 

lideri gamoCnda da Tan 

iseTi, nebismier doneze rom 

gvasaxelebs. budapeStis 

gran-prize tato grigalaSvili 

iseT formaSi vixileT, 

metoqeebi ki ara, mTeli darbazi 

verafers daaklebda. 

Cveneburma gzadagza espaneli 

herero, italieli 

parlati, portugaliis saxeliT 

moaspareze egutiZe da 

ungreli ungvari CamoiSora. 

finalSi braziliel maCedosac 

igive damarTa, rac yvela 

danarCens da budapeStis 

tatami iseTi silazis ile- 

TebiT moaipona, sruliad 

Ziudos samyaro axali supertalantis 

Sesaxeb aalaparaka. 

levan gorgaZisTvis ivlisis baSo naadrevad dasrulda. pirveli 

xuTi brZolidan qarTvelma xuTive daTmo da mwvrTnelTan konsul- 

taciis Semdeg turniridan moxsnis gadawyvetileba miiRo. 

vicodiT, rom turniramde eqvsi dRiT adre toCinoSinma mxari 

daiziana, magram sakontrolo SejaxebebSi mSvenivrad gamoiyurebo- 

da da Tavadac optimisturad iyo ganwyobili. Turme mizezi axlad 

miRebuli mxris travma ki ara, SarSan dazianebuli muxli yofila. 

am travmis gamo toCinoSini erTxel ukve Caayenes kadobanSi da oZekis 

tituli droebiT daTmo. 

levans isev kadobanSi Caayeneben, rac mogebaTa minimaluri zRvris 

gadalaxvas niSnavs. wina baSoze levanisTvis es zRvari 10 mogeba 

iyo da amocanas warmatebiT gaarTva Tavi. amjerad kadobani SeRava- 

Tiania _ oZekis titulis SesanarCuneblad toCinoSinma katikosi, 

anu dadebiTi balansi unda daafiqsiros, rac 15 brZolaSi 8 savalde- 

bulo mogebas niSnavs. 

38 

saqarTvelos 

saukeTeso 

fexburTeli 

_ giorgi 

CakvetaZe 

gazeT „sarbielis” tradiciuli dajildoeba kompania 

„liderbeTis” mxardaWeriT Catarda. 

qarTuli sportuli mediis warmomadgenlebma 

2018/19 wlebis sezonis saukeTeso qarTveli fexburTeli 

gamoavlines. 79-ma Jurnalistma sam sasurvel 

kandidats misca xma. aseve Zveleburad, mediis 

rCeulTaTvis qulaTa daricxvis sistema 3, 2, 1 gaxldaT. 

sezonis saukeTeso fexburTelad saqarTvelos 

nakrebisa da belgiuri gentis axalgazrda Semtevi, 

giorgi CakvetaZe dasaxelda, romelmac qulaTa umravlesoba 

(216) miiRo. 79 Jurnalistidan 68-m 

CakvetaZe pirvel adgilze daasaxela. es gasakviric 

ar iyo, 19 wlis qarTvelma xom erovnuli gundis erTa 

ligis flei ofSi gasvlaSi mTavari roli iTamaSa. 

meore adgili jvarosnebis centralurma mcvelma 

da 2017-2018 sezonis saukeTeso saba kvirkveliam 

daikava, mesameze ki nakrebis kapitani jaba kankava 

gavida. 

saerTo jamSi, Jurnalistebma 24 fexburTeli 

daasaxeles, maTgan 6 erovnul ligaSi TamaSobs. 

gio CakvetaZem bolo erT weliwadSi qarTuli 

fexburTis yvela qomagis guli moigo. hoda, 

sportulma Jurnalistebmac is gaapirveles. 

am asakSi saukeTesooba gio qinqlaZis mere aravis 

rgebia. „sarbielma” dajildoebis ceremonia restoran 

„bear TaimSi” gamarTa. 

giorgi CakvetaZe mokrZalebuli biWia da unda 

genaxaT, ra saxe hqonda, roca pirvelobas pirveli 

mwvrTneli Tamaz kostava, aleqsandre CivaZe da fexurTis 

federaciis xelmZRvanelebi, veterani fexburTelebi 

da Cveni kolegebi rom ulocavdnen. 

es „sarbielis” rigiT me-18 dajildoeba gaxldaT. 

prestiJuli jildo sxvadaxva dros iseT fexburTelebs 

mougiaT, rogorebic arian: giorgi qinqlaZe 

(2), SoTa arvelaZe (3), Temur qecbaia, levan 

kobiaSvili (2), aleqsandre iaSvili (2), zaza janaSia, 

akaki devaZe, kaxa kalaZe (4) da saba kvirkvelia. 

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SegviZlia, 

Cogburs 

aRar 

vuyuroT... 

amaze didi dramis warmodgenac SeuZlebelia. novak jokoviCma 

uimbldonis finalSi rojer federers 7:6, 1:6, 7:6, 4:6, 

13:12 mougo. statistika ambobs, rojeri ukeTesi iyoo, magram 

faqtia _ Tasi novakma aRmarTa. amas ver aRwer. unda 

genaxa. wlevandelma uimbldonma federeri-nadalisa da federeri-jokoviCis 

ori superbrZola gvaCuqa da isedac dar- 

Ceboda istoriaSi. 

jokoviCi da federeri 48-ed daejaxnen erTmaneTs da novaki 

ukve 26:22 ugebs. serbs rojerTan 2013-2014 wlebSic aqvs 

mogebuli finalebi. bolo xuTsetiani jaxic maTi iyo, yvelaze 

damRleli ki ronerma endi rodikTan iburTava, roca 

mexuTe setSi 16:14 imarjva. 

qalTa finalSi ki ruminelma simona halepma serena uiliamsis 

gasacamtvereblad moulodnelad 56 wuTi ikmara da 6:2, 

6:2 moigo. simonasTvis es meore slemtitulia SarSandeli 

„rolan garosis” Semdeg. rac Seexeba serenas, zedized mesame 

didi finali waago, arada warmatebis SemTxvevaSi triumfebis 

cifrs 24-mde gazrdida da margaret korts gautoldeboda. 

saintereso detali: mamakacTa Soris Cempions mooqrovili 

TasiT ajildoeben, qalTa gamarjvebuls ki sasalaTe gadaecema. 

TiToeuli Cempionis gvari zedaa amotvifruli. 1957 

wlamde gravireba sasalaTes ukana zedapirze xdeboda da roca 

aRar daetia, zeda mxareze daiwyes. ukve 40 welia, gravirebaze 

pasuxismgebelia poloneli roman zlotovski, visac axali 

Cempionis gvaris amotvifraze zustad 18 wuTi misdis. 

sasalaTe ki realurad Tass ganasaxierebs, romelsac ingliseli 

aristokratebis ojaxebSi stumrebs nasadilevs pativiscemis 

niSnad da TiTebis gadasabanad miarTmevdnen xolme. 

grizmani 

da 100 

milioni 

xelze antuan de sent-egziuperis fraza tatud aqvs: „aqcie cxovreba 

ocnebad da mere aqcie ocneba realobad”. soni andersons aRmerTebda 

_ „barselonas” da „lionis” yofil forvards da kidev pavel nedveds, 

romlis varcxnilobiTac dadioda. 

sul fexburTis varskvlavobaze meocnebe ocamde frangulma klubma 

daiwuna susti aRnagobis gamo, sanam SemTxveviT „real-sosiedadis” 

seleqcionerma ar naxa. 

es biWi antuan grizmania da madridis „atletikodan” kataloniurma 

„barselonam” kontraqtSi miTiTebul 120 milion dolarad gamoisyida. 

madridelebi Tanxis 200 milionamde gazrdas cdiloben, magram, 

albaT, unayofod. mis kuTvnil 20%-s, anu 24 milions miiRebs grizmanis 

wina klubi „real-sosiedadic”. 

grizmani ucnauri yaidis fexburTelia. Tu mewyviled disciplinebul 

forvards dauyeneb da Tavisuflebas miscem, metoqis dacvas 

Wkuidan gadaiyvans, 4-5-1 sistemaSi ki, roca gunds amosunTqva sWirdeba, 

flangis naxevarmcvelobasac Cinebulad iTavsebs. 

dRevandeli bazris gaTvaliswinebiT „barsa” sakmaod iafad gamovida. 

N24 (285) 16.07-22.07.2019 w. 

mouriniom CineTs bodiSi mouxada 

Cinuri fexburTis yvelaze gavleniani kaci yofila ka ian hui, 

romlmac Joze mourinius „guangJu evergrandisa” da qveynis 

erovnuli gundis saTaveSi Cadgoma SesTavaza. 

ar ifiqroT, rom laparakia mwvrTnelTan warmomadgenlis migzavnaze 

an niadagis mosasinj satelefono zarze. talkSPORT-is mier 

gamoqveynebul fotoebze naCvenebia Tu rogor xvdebian erTmaneTs 

hui da „gansakuTrebuli”. 

ka ian hui CineTis erT-erTi umdidresi kacia. sxvaTa Soris, „sani” 

Cven mier Tavis dazRvevis gamo mimatebul sityva „erT-erTs” saer- 

Tod ar wers da „evergrand jgufis” Tavmjdomares pirdapir qveynis 

umdidres adamians uwodebs. „evergrand jgufi” ki „guangJu evergrandis” 

sponsoria da CineTis safexburTo ligaSi msoflio varskvlavebi 

Cahyavs. 

miliarderma, romelic uZravi qonebis biznesSi mefobs, gadawyvita 

Cinuri fexburTi ise ganaviTaros, rom nakrebi msoflios Cempionatze 

araTu moxvdes, aramed iqac Rirseulad gamovides. 

inglisuri presa wers, rom ka ian huim Joze mouriniusTan urTierTobis 

dawyeba piradi SexvedriT amjobina. pozitiuri startis 

Semdeg, molaparakebebs ukve warmomadgenlebi gaagrZeleben. 

SegaxsenebT, rom CineTSi Zala ukve mosinjes iseTma cnobilma mwvrTnelebma, 

rogorebic arian sven-goran eriqsoni da fabio kapelo. 

erTi wlis win Sky Sports Italia-Tan interviuSi mourinium Tqva, 

rom sanam cocxalia, fexburTSi da Tan umaRles doneze itrialebs. 

misi mxridan huisTan wasvla, rasakvirvelia, fexburTSi darCena 

iqneba, magram umaRlesi donisa (jerjerobiT) ra mogaxsenoT. 

samagierod, fuls miiRebs, Tqveni mowonebuli... 

nu gayidi, 

dagiWeren... 

iaponiaSi ZalaSi Sevida kanoni, romelic sportul 

RonisZiebebze, koncertebsa Tu speqtaklze dasaswrebi bi- 

leTebis gadayidvas krZalavs. amgvari kanonis SemoReba 

uwinaresad mimarTulia tokios 2020 wlis olimpiur 

TamaSebze msgavsi faqtebis aRsakveTad. 

gadamyidvels, romelic bileTs mis Rirebulebaze met 

fasad gayidis, fuladi jarimis saxiT 1 milioni ienis 

(daaxloebiT 9.2 aTasi dolari) gadaxda mouwevs, an Sesa- 

Zloa erT wlamde Tavisuflebis aRkveTa miesajos. 

aRsaniSnavia, rom bileTebi daculi iqneba specialuri 

kodebiT, romelSic Seva myidvelis daSifrul monacemebi. 

RonisZiebis organizatorebi valdebulni iqnebian, 2020 

wlis olimpiur TamaSebis sportul obieqtebze Sesvlisas 

bileTis mflobelTa vinaoba gadaamowmon. im SemTxvevaSi, 

Tu gulSematkivari Sejibrebaze daswrebas ver axerxebs, 

mas SesaZlebloba eqneba sakuTari bileTi tokio-2020-is 

oficialur saitze gayidos. 

39

CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK 

afiSa 

Sinauri cxovelebis 

saidumlo cxovreba 2 

kavea galeria 

11:50 

kavea isT foinTi 

14:40 

aladini 

amirani 

11:45; 14:00 

kavea galeria 

14:00; 16:45 

kavea Tbilisi moli 

11:50; 14:15 


11:45; 14:30; 16:30; 19:45 

tkivili da dideba 

amirani 

22:00 


16:50 

beilis Tavgadasavali 

amirani 

12:00; 14:30 

kavea galeria 

12:30 


12:00; 14:30 


12:00; 14:15 

hamleti 

amirani 

19:30 

adamianebi SavebSi 

amirani 

19:15 


17:00 


22:00 


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi 

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba 

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze 

yovelkvireuli 

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari 

pirveli gverdi: 

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ; 

meore-mesame gverdebi: 

1 sm 2 _ 3 lari; 

Sida gverdebi: 

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari; 

bolos wina gverdi: 

1sm 2 _2 lari; 

bolo gverdi: 

1sm 2 _ 3 lari, 

maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi; 

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _ 

1000 sm 2; 

reklama CanarTis saxiT: 

A3 3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari; 

A4 4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari; 

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili) 

afiSa 

kurski 


16:45 

paraziti 

amirani 

17:00 

araswori wyvili 

kavea galeria 

22:00 


21:45 


19:20 

saTamaSoebis istoria 4 

amirani 

12:30; 14:45; 17:00 

kavea galeria 

11:50; 13:15; 15:30; 17:00; 17:45; 19:45 


13:00; 15:15; 17:30 


12:00; 12:30; 14:15; 14:45; 17:00; 19:15 

anabelis wyevla 3 

kavea galeria 

21:55 

1 aSS dolari 

2.8555 

1 evro 

3.2210 

1 girvanqa sterlingi 

3.5862 

1 Sveicaruli franki 

2.9064 

100 rusuli rubli 

4.5596 

amindi 

samSabaTi 

oTxSabaTi 

xuTSabaTi 

paraskevi 

SabaTi 

kvira 

orSabaTi 

Tbilisi 

30-32 0 

31-33 0 

30-32 0 

29-32 0 

28-30 0 

31-33 0 

32-34 0 

quTaisi 

27-29 0 

28-30 0 

24-25 0 

25-27 0 

29-31 0 

28-30 0 

27-29 0 

baTumi 

26-28 0 

27-29 0 

25-27 0 

24-26 0 

25-28 0 

26-28 0 

25-27 0 

zugdidi 

25-27 0 

28-31 0 

24-25 0 

25-27 0 

26-29 0 

27-30 0 

26-28 0 

gori 

26-28 0 

28-30 0 

25-27 0 

24-26 0 

25-27 0 

28-31 0 

29-31 0 

Telavi 

31-34 0 

30-32 0 

31-33 0 

32-33 0 

33-35 0 

32-34 0 

33-35 0 

foTi 

27-30 0 

26-29 0 

25-28 0 

24-26 0 

25-28 0 

26-28 0 

24-26 0 

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mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12) 

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06 

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50 

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55 

injgia nene 591 71 39 98 

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 90 

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40 

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laRaZe Sorena 557 56 23 66 

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