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gamodis samSabaTobiT N12 (314) 16.06

06.20

.2020

fasi 2 lari

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nato CxeiZe:

òcneba~

TavdaRmarTzea

da asi

koronac rom

iyos, bunebriv

viTarebas win

ver aRudgeba!~

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beJan

naTelaSvili:

àxla maszea

damokidebuli,

Tu rogor

daasrulebs

politikur

karieras~

gv. 10

dakavebulia qileri!

gv. 17

ra Rirs putinis gineba?!

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`gavrilovisa~ da ultrareaqcionerebis

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èrTsqesiani~ dagegmili jvriswera CavSaloT!

giorgi vaSaZe:

`20 ivniss

xelisuflebas

SevaxsenebT, rom

Rirseba da

Tavisufleba

xelSeuvalia~

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nestan kirTaZe:

`saakaSvilis

faqtoris gareSe

saqarTveloSi

xelisuflebis

cvlileba ver

da ar moxdeba!~

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roman

gociriZe:

òpoziciis

mizani

ivaniSvilis

reJimis

demontaJia~

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òpoziciasac da xelisuflebasac

2019 wlis 20 ivnisidan dRemde,

nene injgia

TiTqmis, erTi weli gavida. mov-

591 71 39 98

lenebi im dRes Semdegnairad ganviTarda:

yvelaferi daiwyo 20 ivnisis

dilas, roca rusi deputati gavrilovi saqarTvelos parlamentis

Tavmjdomaris savarZelSi Cajda da marTlmadideblo-

bis saparlamentTaSoriso generaluri asambleis rigiT 26-e

sesia rusul enaze waiyvana. am faqtis gasaprotesteblad par-

lamentTan aqcia daiwyo. adamianebs, romlebic parlamentis

Senobis win iyvnen Sekrebilebi, parlamentis SenobaSi SeWris

mcdeloba hqondaT. gvian RamiT policiam aqciis daSla cremlsadeni

gaziTa da rezinis tyviebiT daiwyo. aTeulobiT mSvi-

dobiani demonstranti daSavda, orma adamianma Tvali dakarga,

mravalma adamianma miiRo sxvadasxva saxis mZime dazianeba. 21

ivnisis dilas Sss-m uamravi axalgazrda daakava. 21 ivniss

daiwyo kidev erTi aqcia, _ Ss ministr giorgi gaxarias gada-

dgomisa da proporciuli saarCevno sistemis moTxovniT.

591 71 39 98 levan alafiSvili:

am faqtidan erTi wlis Tavze

vin gamovida gamarjvebuli? ra

roli Seasrules maSin axal-

gazrdebma da ecadnen Tu ara

politikuri partiebi maT miza-

nmimarTul marginalizacias? ra

mocemulobaSi imyofeba dRes

xelisufleba da opozicia?

aRniSnuli Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+~ eqspert levan

alafiSvils esaubra:

_ batono levan, ra mocemu-

lobaSi arian 20 ivnisidan erTi

wlis Tavze xelisufleba da

opozicia?

_ ar viqnebi swori, Tu saku-

Tar Tavsa da mkiTxvels ar Sevaxseneb

da msjelobas ar daviwyeb

im mniSvnelovaniT, rasac hqvia

axali, „ivnisis Taoba”, romelmac

ukve mesamed, swored gasul wels

gviTxra, rom isini aq arian. gavixsenoT

20 ivnisis saRamomde

periodi da yvelafers pasuxi

gaecema: es iyo axali Taobis

protesti, maT mier samSoblosadmi

gamoxatuli siyvaruli,

im samSoblosadmi, Rirseul saxelmwifod

rom undaT ixilon da

sadRegrZeloSi naTqvami samSoblosadmi.

am Taobas, wina or

SemTxvevaSi, es saqmiT hqonda

damtkicebuli da Cveni Taoba,

met-naklebad cnobili politikosebi

Tu sxvebi, ver Tu ar vim-

CnevdiT amas, rac, garkveulwilad,

TaobaTa miuReblobasac

ki SeiZleba SevadaroT. am bavSvebma

2015 wels daiwyes sajarod

sakuTari poziciis dafiqsireba

saxelmwifoebriv sakiTxebze.

2015 wels sagamocdo periodi

iyo dawyebuli, rodesac 13 ivnisis

tragedia datrialda, meore

dResve dacarielda universiteti

ise, rom maTTvis aravis

dauZaxia, isini samSoblos asufTavebdnen,

maT Soris, dagrovili

politikuri nagvisgan.

xelisuflebam im dros sakuTari

pasuxismgeblobisgan gamoZroma

scada da zooparkis direqtoris

kinaRam teledapatimreba vixileT.

maSin bavSvebma niCbebi

zooparkSi daalages, im dasvrili

xelebiT mividnen kancelariasTan

da sabWoSi rom

isxdnen da saqmis Sekervasa da

zooparkis direqtorisTvis pasuxismgeblobis

Camokidebas

cdilobdnen, maT uTxres: nu

yeyeCobT, Cven eg ar gvainteresebs,

Cven amas ar davuSvebT! xelisufleba

SeSinda. amis Semdeg

ivnisi Cveni qveynis iseT cdomilebebs

exeba, romelSic es axali

Taoba Zalian mniSvnelovani

faseulobebis sadarajoze gamodis.

SegaxsenebT 2017 wels,

rodesac gamoxatvis Tavisuflebis

gamo maTive Tanatolebi

daapatimres. SeiZleba, viRacisTvis

miuRebeli iyo is, rasac

isini im klipSi gamoxatavdnen,

magram es gaxldaT gamoxatvis

Tavisufleba da amisTvis daapatimres

is axalgazrdebi. pirveli

instanciis gadawyvetilebiT

es bavSvebi patimrobaSi unda

darCeniliyvnen. saapelaciomac

ZalaSi datova gadawyvetileba.

maSin axali Taobis protests

qveynis gavleniani piris Svili

gamoexmaura da sasamarTlom isini

meore dResve gaaTavisufla.

amis Semdeg, 2019 wels, SeiZleba

maTi politikuri gamoucdelobac

iyo, rom isini politikosebma

gamoiyenes da mimarTuleba

misces, pirdapir Tu arapirdapir,

es jer kidev Cans. Tumca

axalgazrdebs swori samoqalaqo

brazi hqondaT, mTeli dRis ganmavlobaSi

aprotestebdnen

gavrilovis vizits, riTac Cveni

Taobis politikosebma scades

sakuTari politikuri sargeblis

dagegmva da zogma miRebac ki. am

axalgazrdebis moTxovna iyo:

gaxarias gadadgoma, proporciuli

arCevnebi da 20 ivniss dakavebulTa

ganTavisufleba. samwuxaroa,

rom maTi gamoucdelobis

kvalobaze politikosebmac ise

warmarTes TavianTi saqmianoba,

rom es sami moTxovna ki ar dakmayofilebuliyo,

aramed, vimeoreb,

sakuTari sargebeli enaxaT.

marTalia, maSin xelisufleba

taqtikurad raRac nabijebs

dgamda, magram is droebiTi iyo

da sabolood arc erTi sakiTxi

ar daTmo. axali Taobis swori

moTxovna iyo proporciuli

arCevnebi, rac ar Sesrulda, gaxaria

Sinagan saqmeTa ministris

postze aRar aris, Tumca dawinaurebulia.

imdroindeli patimrebi

ki araTu gaaTavisfles,

aramed mako gomuris saqmeze

gamoZiebac ar dasrulebula. anu

xelisufleba am bavSvebs eTamaSa

da isinic sakuTari politikuri

gamoucdelobiT ise marto

iyvnen Cvens TaobasTan pirispir

darCenili, rom realurad xe-

òpoziciam

taqtika Tu

ar gaTvala,

xelisufleba

Zalauflebas

SeinarCunebs~

lisuflebam maT mougo. sxva

politikosebma SeiZleba sargebelic

naxes. ase rom, me 20 ivnissa

da zogadad ivniss, ganvixilav

momavlis WrilSi. momavalSi es

Taoba aRar dauSvebs msgavss

Secdomas da Cvenc aRar gvapatiebs

aseT raRacebs. 2021 wels

TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebia, es

axali Taoba gvetyvis, rom maT

sxvanairi samSoblo da pasuxismgebloba

undaT, isini amas

saqmiT dagvanaxeben da Cven Tu

ase gavagrZeleT, Segvarcxvenen

kidec.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom rigi

politikosebi mimarTulebas

aZlevdnen axalgazrdebs. maTi

mizani saproteso muxtis davar-

dna iyo?

_ SesaZlebelia. amasac vgulisxmob,

roca vambob, rom politi-

`vinmes unda Tu ara es, mocemuloba aseTia:

saqarTvelos dRevandel politikur speqtrSi

`nacionaluri moZraobis~ garda ar arsebobs

yofili mmarTveli partia, romelmac amdeni

krizisi gadaitana da darCa politikur

asparezze. Cven gvaxsovs `mrgvali magida~,

`moqalaqeTa kkavSiri~, isini mmarTveli

politikuri Zalebi iyvnen, Tumca ver darCnen

politikur asparezze. miuxedavad imisa, rom

`nacionaluri moZraoba~ ramdenjerme daiSala,

man mainc SeinarCuna adgili ara mxolod

parlamentSi mandatebis kuTxiT, aramed mas

hyavs amomrCeveli~

kosebma mimarTuleba misces. axali

Taobis arc erTi moTxovna

ar dakmayofilebula, magram

garkveulma politikurma Zalebma

sargebeli naxes. logikurad

davalagoT: vis sWirdeboda protestis

pikze drois mogeba? _ ra

Tqma unda, xelisuflebas. Tuki

mas vinme an rame drois mogebis

saSualebas miscemda da am pikur

procesebs droSi gawelavda,

bunebrivia, is nebsiT Tu uneblieT,

sargebliT Tu usargeblod,

iTamaSaebda swored xelisuflebis

TamaSs. ubralod, sxva

logika ar arsebobs. istoria

gamoaCens amas da Zalian bevrs

Sercxveba. CemTvis aSkara iyo,

rom ivnisis bolo ricxvebisken

daiwyo drois mogebaze zrunva

da, Sesabamisad, am gulwrfeli,

swori, patriotuli da saxelmwifoebrivi

protestisTvis konkretuli

mimarTulebis micema,

romelic muxts gaanelebda. Sesabamisad,

miviReT is, rac mivi-

ReT.

_ daasaxelebT Tu ara

konkretul opoziciur Zalas,

romelmac mTavari roli Seas-

rula drois gawelvis mizniT da

nebsiT Tu uneblieT xelisu-

flebis interesebi gaatara?

_ yvelam met-naklebi roli

Seasrula. viRac cdilobda, rom

Tavisken gadaebirebina am axalgazrdebis

nawili. Tu amas ver

miaRwevda, maSin cdilobda axalgazrdebisTvis

iseTi nabijebisken

ebiZgebina, romelic maT

gaamarginalebda an minimum protests

sxva mimarTulebas miscemda.

Tuki vinmem xelSesaxebi Sedegi

miiRo da gamarjvebuli gamovida,

es xelisuflebaa. obieqturad

rom vTqvaT, Cven _ sazogadoebas

_ araferi migviRia,

axali Taobis moTxovnebic isev

haerSia gamokidebuli. maTi simbolo

mako gomuris saqme gamo-

Ziebulic ki ar aris. CemTvis esaa

xelisuflebis protesti am axalgazrdebis

mimarT. samwuxaroa,

rom saxelmwifoebrioba Cveni

politikosebisTvis vera da ver

gaxda dominanti. subieqtur da

partiul interesze maRla saxelmwifoebrivi

unda idges. es

axali Taoba gvaswavlis amas.

_ rogoria opoziciis

mocemuloba dRes, roca isini,

jer kidev, ver SeTanxmdnen Tbi-

lisSi erTian kandidatebze da

ra gavlenas axdens am procesebSi

saakaSvilis urTierTgamom-

ricxavi gancxadebebi (jer Tqva,

rom qarTuli politikisTvis ar

scalia, Semdeg ki ganacxada,

brZolis wina xazze viqnebio)?

mesame prezidenti brZolis wina

xazze dgomas apirebs, Tumca

„evropuli saqarTvelodan” pa-

suxoben, rom distanciurad es

ar gamouva.

_ miuxedavad imisa, rom er-

Tiani partiuli siiT iyvnen Sesuli

parlamentSi „nacionaluri

moZraoba” da „evropuli saqar-

Tvelo”, ricxovnobiT „evropu-

2 N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.

li saqarTvelo” ufro metadaa

warmodgenili, aqedan gamomdinare,

saparlamento cxovreba-

Si upiratesoba moipova da partia,

romelmac bevr kriziss

gauZlo, vgulisxmob „nacionalur

moZraobas”, 6-kaciani

fraqciiT aris warmodgenili.

mas Semdeg, rac „nacionaluri

moZraoba” daiSala da mas „evropuli

saqarTvelo” gamoeyo, sxvadasxva

intensivobiT, Sefarulad

Tu Riad, Tvalyurs

vadevnebT am or Zalas Soris

qiSpobas. isini kunTebs aTamaSeben

ara mxolod erTmaneTis mimarT,

aramed _ eleqtoraluradac.

savaraudod, axlac amis

gagrZelebas vuyurebT. zustad

amitomaa, rom bolo periodSi,

erTi gaakeTebs gancxadebas, meore

ki sapirispiros ambobs. me

arc erTis arc inteleqtualur

da arc organizaciul SesaZleblobebs

ar vaknineb, magram

vinmes unda Tu ara es, mocemuloba

aseTia: saqarTvelos

dRevandel politikur speqtr-

Si „nacionaluri moZraobis” garda

ar arsebobs yofili mmarTveli

partia, romelmac amdeni

krizisi gadaitana da darCa politikur

asparezze. Cven gvaxsovs

„mrgvali magida”, „moqalaqe-

Ta kkavSiri”, isini mmarTveli

politikuri Zalebi iyvnen, Tumca

ver darCnen politikur asparezze.

miuxedavad imisa, rom

„nacionaluri moZraoba” ramdenjerme

daiSala, man mainc Seinar-

Cuna adgili ara mxolod parlamentSi

mandatebis kuTxiT,

aramed mas hyavs amomrCeveli. am

mocemulobis kvalobaze, opoziciuri

flangidan sastarto

pirobebis gasamyareblad viRacebi

warmarTaven TavianT kampanias,

da ramdenad sworad, amas arCevnebi

gamoavlens. maT ar unda

daaviwydeT, rom sajaro gancxadebebsa

da kunTebiT TamaSSi (me

wina xazze viqnebi, Sen momyevi da

Cemze sami rigiT ukan dadeqi)

mozomilebi unda iyvnen. xSirad

aviwydebaT, vin aZlevs mandats

maT da visi micemuli xelfasi

udevT jibeSi. yvelas aviwydeba

amomrCeveli, opoziciasac da xelisuflebasac.

am Semodgomidan

ukve axali Taoba modis, is amomrCeveli

gaxda, maT eleqtoralur

suraTze mcire cvlilebis

moxdena SeuZliaT. politikosebma

es unda gaiTvaliswinon. Tu

politikosebma ase gaagrZeles

xan erT da xan meore partiaSi

yofna, es Taoba aucileblad miuCens

maT adgils. aTwleulebia

vambob: ar SeiZleba demokratiul

sazogadoebaSi, politikosebi

gvpirdebodnen demokratiis

ganmtkicebas qveyanaSi da Tvi-

Ton ar hqondeT partiaSi demokratia.

msoflioSi politika ufro

da ufro naklebad mimzidvel

adgilad iqca warmatebuli, profesionali

adamianebisTvis, romlebic

mcire periodiT gadadeben

sakuTar cxovrebas da amomrCevels

emsaxurebian. CvenTan

piriqiTaa, politikaSi modian

mudmivad, raTa sakuTar Tavs

emsaxuron. partiuli sistema,

arademokratiulobis garda, korufciulic

aris xelisuflebis

sasargeblod. Zveli sistema

garkveuli modifikaciiT Senar-

Cunebulia, dafinansebas vgulisxmob,

anu umravlesoba visac

aqvs da qmnida da qmnis kanons,

ise wers kanons, rom Cveni fuli

misces im opozicias, romelsac

is drois konkretul monakveT-

Si sworad miiCnevs. realurad,

yvela xelisuflebas hyavs saCvenebeli

opozicia, romelsac,

miuxedavad misi sisustisa, finansurad

biujetidan exmareba da

demokratiuli anturaJic saxezea.

ramdeni welia, praimerisze

gvesmis, gamWirvaled davakomleqtebT

siaso. ginaxavT, romelime

politikur partias es

gaekeTebinos?

_ arc erT politikur par-

tias ar awyobs praimerisi...

_ ramdenime mizezia, ratomac

ar awyobs: an wevrebi ar hyavT,

N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.


amomrCeveli aviwydeba~

`gavixsenoT 20 ivnisis saRamomde periodi da yvelafers pasuxi gaecema: es

iyo axali Taobis protesti, maT mier samSoblosadmi gamoxatuli

siyvaruli, im samSoblosadmi, Rirseul saxelmwifod rom undaT ixilon da

sadRegrZeloSi naTqvami samSoblosadmi~

an mxardamWerebi, an kidev im

wevrebma da mxardamWerebma Sei-

Zleba, maT mier dayenebul kandidats

ar dauWiron mxari.

_ msgavsi kulturis Camoyalibebamde

sakonstitucio cv-

lilebebia misaRebi. giorgi

rurua isev cixeSia da sakonsti-

tucio cvlilebebSi opozicia

ar monawileobs. xedavT Tu ara

imis risks, rom es cvlilebebi

mmarTvelma gundma meored Caag-

dos? opoziciur speqtrSic xom

ar awyobT viRac-viRacebs arsebuli

saarCevno sistemis Senar-

Cuneba _ yvelaze metad, „nacio-

nalur moZraobas”?

_ SesaZlebelia, maTac da sxvebsac,

vinc ufro didebi arian

da ar undaT raRacebis gayofa,

radgan arsebul sistemaSi ufro

komfortulad iqnebian. opoziciur

flangze kidev erTi ram

eqnebaT saTqmeli, rom xelisuflebam,

rogorc qveynis SigniT,

aseve qveynis gareT, ar Seasrula

danapirebi. darwmunebuli

var, xelisufleba yvelafers

`raoden paradoqsulic ar unda iyos da

SeiZleba viRacebisTvis Zalian mkvaxedac

JRerdes, unda vTqva: opozicias SeuZlia, rom

`qarTul ocnebas~ mesame vadiT darCenis Sansi

misces, samwuxarod. Tuki opoziciam

grZelvadiani taqtika ar gaTvala sworad,

maSin xelisufleba kvlav SeinarCunebs

Zalauflebas~

gaakeTebs, rom ar gaaTavisuflos

rurua, magram miiRos sakonstitucio

cvlilebebi. sakonstitucio

cvlilebebis mxardaWeris

nawilSi yvelaferi Tvladia

da bunebrivia, dasavleTi

opoziciasac daakisrebs garkveul

pasuxismgeblobas, Tu cvlilebebi

Cavarda. etyvis, rom taqtika

unda SeecvalaT, daeWiraT

mxari cvlilebebisTvis da ruruas

Semdeg gaaTavisuflebdnen.

_ opoziciis warmomadgenlebi

amboben, rom ruruas gan-

Tavisufleba principis sakiTxia,

rom Tu axla daTmoben, xe-

lisufleba uaress izams. ramde-

nad Zlieri argumentia?

_ uaress raRas izams? ar mgonia,

ruseTs Cagvabaros, oms ver

daiwyebs, ver gaisvris, sakuTar

ganaCens xels ver moawers, uaresi

raRa unda qnas?! SarSan Semodgomis

pirisTvis politikuri

daZabuloba iseTi pikuri iyo,

rom, praqtikulad, xelisufleba

Seegua, rom SeiZleba, Zalauflebis

datoveba gamxdariyo

saWiro, Tundac vadamdelis

gziT. xelisuflebidan CamoSorebis

Zalian maRali albaTobis

pirobebSi, maT araTu dakarges

an daTmes Zalaufleba, aramed

Cveni yvelas mecadineobiT, SeinarCunes

da ganimtkices kidec. es

faqtia, dakarguli hqondaT Zalaufleba

da axla ufro myarad

dganan, amaze uaresi raRa unda

gaakeTon? rom ara protestisTvis

mimarTulebis micema,

muxtis dagdeba da gadagoreba,

xelisufleba SarSan damTavrebuliyo

da am nawilSi yvelam

erTad SevitaneT „wvlili”.

_ dRevandeli mocemulobiT

SeiZleba Tu ara imis prognozireba,

rom „qarTuli ocne-

ba” xelisuflebaSi mesame vadiT

rCeba?

_ raoden paradoqsulic ar

unda iyos da SeiZleba viRacebisTvis

Zalian mkvaxedac JRerdes,

unda vTqva: opozicias SeuZlia,

rom „qarTul ocnebas” mesame vadiT

darCenis Sansi misces, samwuxarod.

Tuki opoziciam grZelvadiani

taqtika ar gaTvala sworad,

maSin xelisufleba kvlav

SeinarCunebs Zalauflebas. yvela

adamians pativs vcem, maT Soris,

giorgi ruruas, misTvis da misi

ojaxisTvis yvelaferi kargi minda,

Cemi TanamoZmeebi yvelani miiyvars

Tavisi SecdomebiT, magram

xom aris saxelmwifoebrivi xedva?

SeiZleba adamianis bedze

saubari, magram roca SegiZlia

misi sakiTxi gadawyvito ori

TviT gvian, sanacvlod ki xarisx-

Si, strategiulad moigo da amas

ar akeTeb, e. i. Sen es ar ici da

politikaSic ar unda iyo, an ici

es da Segnebulad ar akeTeb, rac

aseve damRupveli da miuRebelia.

partiuli gadmosaxedidan opoziciis

nabiji SeiZleba taqtikurad

swori iyos, oRond es ar

aris CemTvis sakmarisi. CemTvis

mniSvnelovania, rom Cveni politikuri

partiebi partiul da saxelmwifoebriv

sakiTxebs erTmaneTisgan

arCevdnen da konkretul

SemTxvevaSi, Tuki amis saWiroeba

aris da istoriuli momentic

SeiZleba idges, partiul interesebs

saxelmwifoebrivs ar

unda anacvalebdnen.

pandemiam Zalian didi resursi

misca xelisuflebas, rom

kidev ufro gaZlierebuliyo,

miT umetes, rodesac politikuri

cxovreba, praqtikulad,

mokvda. aqedan gamomdinare ga-

Zlierda xelisufleba, radgan is

raRacebze reagirebda da dRemde

movediT. Tqveni meSveobiT

minda, Cvens moqalaqeebs vuTxra:

pandemiis dros SezRudvebisas,

roca prezidenti cud dekretebs

gamoscemda, yvelas gvajarimebdnen,

opozicionerebi mxolod

axla amboben, rom es jarimebi

mosaxleobisTvis mZimeao.

zogierTi imasac aRniSnavs, unda

gavauqmoTo, arada, kenWisyris

SedegebSi Cans, rom 21 marts

opoziciam mxari dauWira am antikonstituciur

gadawyvetilebas.

opozicia gvajarimebs yvelas

erTad, axla Tavs nu ityueben.

Tan amboben, xelisufleba

gaZlierdao. codniT, SegnebiT

Tu Seugneblad ki ar gaZlierda,

aseT gadawyvetilebaze mxardaWeriT

TviTon gaaZlieres xelisufleba.

axla gviania.

dRes sakonstitucio sasamarTloSi

me wavedi, arada, isini

ambobdnen, Cven wavalTo, magram

maTi sarCeli aravis unaxavs!

dRes me var maT winaaRmdeg sakonstitucio

sasamarTloSi:

prezidenti, gaxaria, „qarTuli

ocneba” da parlamentSi warmodgenili

yvela partia erTad aris

axla rigiTi moqalaqis winaaRmdeg,

es gaiTvaliswinon.

_ xelisufleba opoziciis

misamarTiT araerTxel iyenebs

sityva destruqciuls. Tundac

im faqtidan gamomdinare, raze-

dac axla isaubreT, Seefereba

Tu ara es sityva opoziciur

speqtrs?

_ roca xelisufleba vinmeze

ambobs destruqciuls, es Cveni

yofis paradoqsia, kuriozic ar

hqvia. mTeli qarTuli politika

destruqciaa moqalaqeebis winaa-

Rmdeg. mTavaria, pasuxismgebloba

vicodeT. moqalaqis gareSe

saxelmwifo ar arsebobs, demokratiul

saxelmwifoSi centri

aris rigiTi moqalaqe. rigiTis

gareSe ki generalic ar arsebobs,

araTu parlamentarebi.

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pankisis xeobaSi specoperaciisas

mokluli Temirlan maCalikaSvilis saqme Tavdayira dge-

ba. „adamianis uflebebis swavlebisa da monitoringis centrma”

gamoaqveyna daskvna, sadac is amtkicebs, rom moklul axalgazr-

das teroristebTan aranairi kavSiri ar hqonia. organizaciam

daskvna susis mier miwodebuli masalebis safuZvelze dawera.

Temirlan maCalikaSvilis mama ukve wlebia, ibrZvis imis

dasamtkiceblad, rom misi Svili teroristul dajgufebasTan

aranair kavSirSi ar imyofeboda. is amaod iTxovs damnaSavee-

bis dasjas. xelisufleba arc parlamentSi apirebs droebiTi

sagamoZiebo komisiis Seqmnas, romelmac es xmauriani saqme

unda Seiswavlos. malxaz maCalikaSvili fiqrobs, rom am xelisuflebis

pirobebSi arc simarTle dadgindeba da arc damnaSaveebs

dasjian. am usamarTlobam Svilmokluli mama politikaSi

mosvlaze daafiqra. is saparlamento arCevnebSi monaw-

ileobas ar gamoricxavs.

Secvlis Tu ara „adamianis

uflebebis swavlebisa da moni-

toringis centris” daskvna

Temirlan

maCalikaSvilis

saqmes? ratom gadawyvita poli-

tikaSi mosvla da ra uSlis amis

ganxorcielebaSi xels Svilmoklul

mamas? ras hpirdeba SemodgomisTvis

„qarTul ocnebas”

da ras iTxovs igi gaer-

Tianebuli opoziciisgan? _ amis

Sesaxeb malxaz maCalikaSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ batono malxaz, „adamianis

uflebebis swavlebisa da moni-

toringis centrma” Tqvens

SvilTan dakavSirebiT sakmaod

vrceli da skandaluri daskvna

dado. arasamTavrobo organizaciis

warmomadgenlebi amtkiceben,

rom Temirlans teror-

istebTan kavSiri ar hqonia. ras

fiqrobT am daskvnis Sesaxeb?

_ uflebadamcvelebma TavianT

daskvnaSi daweres is, rac sinamdvileSi

moxda. es daskvna Zalian

vrceli da sainteresoa. Cemi Sefasebebis

magivrad jobia, is

movuTxro Tqvens mkiTxvels, Tu

ra weria skandalur daskvnaSi.

Tqveni gazeTiT minda, madloba

gadavuxado am organizacias

gaweuli samuSaosTvis, aseve yvela

im pirovnebasa Tu jgufs,

vinc am wlebis manZilze gverdiT

medga da simarTlis dadgenaSi

mexmareboda.

axla davubrundebi daskvnas.

iq vkiTxulobT: „susi ramdenime

garemoebaze dayrdnobiT cdilobda,

warmoeCina Temirlan

maCalikaSvilis braleuloba da

roca sajarovdeboda calkeuli

informacia an susis maRalCinosnebi

garkveul komentarebs

akeTebdnen mediaSi, yovelTvis

TiTqos mtkicebiT formaSi ambobdnen,

rom Temirlan maCalikaSvils

Semxebloba hqonda

terorizmTan kavSirSi myof

pirebTan da TviTonac axorcielebda

terorizmis mxardaWeras.

kidev erTxel gavimeoreb,

rom es informacia JRerdeboda

im pirobebSi, roca Cven ar gvqonda

masalebze wvdoma da maTi

kritikulad Sefasebis SesaZlebloba.

am masalebiT axali da

mniSvnelovani garemoeba, romelic

daadasturebda Temirlan ma-

CalikaSvilis Semxeblobas terorizmis

mxardaWerasTan, CvenTvis

warmodgenili ar aris da bunebrivia,

miviCnevT, rom arc yofila,

vinaidan, winaaRmdeg Sem-

TxvevaSi, sagamoZiebo organos is

unda gaeziarebina CvenTvis”.

Cemi azriT, Zalian mniSvnelovania

sadgurze gadaRebuli kadrebis

Sefaseba. es kadrebi, Tavis

droze, susma gaavrcela, sa-


wava Tu ara

malxaz maCalikaSvili:

`Temirlanis

saqme `qarTul

ocnebas~

gadaiyolebs~

dac Cans, Tu rogor gadaadgildeba

Cemi Temirlani oaif

borzievTan da beri salosis

gamzirze likvidirebul aslanbek

soltaxmadovTan erTad. mere

Tqves, rom fuli gadmoiricxa

Temirlanis saxelze da warmoadgines

satelefono mimoweris

Sinaarsi. isic ki Tqves, rom

axmed Cataevma, rogorc ki saqarTvelos

sazRvari gadmokveTa,

pirveli visac daureka, Temirlani

iyoo.

organizaciam Tavisi daskvna

susidan gamoTxovili masalebis

safuZvelze gaakeTa. uflebadamcvelebma

am masalebSi Temirlanis

saeWvo kontaqtebis Sesaxeb

verc erTi mtkicebuleba ver

aRmoaCines, maT Soris, ar dasturdeba

satelefono kavSiri

ahmed CataevTan. maTi angariSis

mixedviT ar dasturdeba Tanxis

Caricxva Temirlan maCalikaSvilis

angariSze, romelic gamoZiebis

masalebSi figurirebs. susi

amtkicebda, rom TiTqos teroristebma

Cauricxes mas es fuli.

uflebadamcvelebma ganacxades,

rom yvela braldeba da pretenzia,

rasac susi Temirlans

uyenebda, aris dausabuTebeli.

sami welia amas vamtkiceb.

Temirlani rom udanaSauloa, es

mTelma pankisis xeobam icis. mis

udanaSaulobas samarTlebrivadac

davamtkiceb. am brZolaSi es

daskvnac Zalian damexmareba.

darwmunebuli var, rom kidev

bevri daskvna daideba am saqmeze.

es aris saqme, romelic „qarTul

ocnebas” gadaiyolebs. ar Sei-

Zleba imis patieba, rom mZinare

bavSvi loginSi Cacxrilo da

mere is teroristad an teroristebis

mokavSired gamoacxado.

es daskvna rom waikiTxes, xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebs

netav, ar SercxvaT im gancxadebebisa,

rasac am wlebis manZilze

Cemi Svilis Sesaxeb akeTebdnen?!

_ rom SercxvenodaT, aseT

gancxadebebs ar gaakeTebdnen.

_ am daskvnam maTSi, wesiT, sindisi

unda gaaRviZos.

_ amis imedi tyuilad gaqvT.

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi

maleve gamoexmaurnen uflebad-

amcvelebis skandalur daskvnas.

isini mxolod prokuraturis

daskvnas ucxadeben ndobas, ro-

mlis mixedviTac Tqveni Svili

damnaSaved aris gamoyvanili.

_ me xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebis

azri ar mainteresebs.

me veZeb simarTles, „qarTuli

ocneba” da simarTle ki erTmaneTisgan

Zalian daSorebulebi

arian. axlave Seeguos „qarTuli

ocneba”, rom Temirlanis

saqme bolomde iqneba gamoZiebuli

da damnaSaveebi kanonis winaSe

ageben pasuxs. maT ki aseTi cilismwamebluri

gancxadebebis gamo

bodiSis moxda mouwevT. me maT-

Tvisac vapireb pasuxis moTxovnas.

_ Tqveni azriT, es daskvna

dagexmarebaT Tu ara axlo mo-

mavalSi simarTlis dasadgenad?

_ am xelisuflebis pirobebSi

simarTlis dadgena Zalian rTuli

iqneba. es, faqtobrivad, Seu-

Zlebelia. rac ar unda moxdes,

isini pozicias ar Seicvlian,

radgan mere Tavad mouwevT pasuxisgeba.

erTaderTi gza, romelic

amaT pirobebSi simarTlis

dadgenaSi damexmareboda, iyo

droebiTi saparlamento komisiis

Seqmna. am moTxovniT didi

xania, vibrZvi da momavalSic vibrZoleb.

_ am parlamentma TiTqmis

amowura uflebamosilebis vada,

Tan Riad ganacxada, rom maCa-

likaSvilis saqmeze aranairi

droebiTi saparlamento komisia

ar Seiqmneba.

_ me mainc gavagrZeleb am komisiis

Seqmnis moTxovniT brZolas,

mere Tavi rom aRar gaimarTlon.

axla, albaT, verafers

mivaRwev, magram darwmunebuli

var, rom axal parlamentSi aucileblad

Seiqmneba es komisia.

_ aseTi darwmunebuli ratom

xarT, rom momavali parlamenti

sagamoZiebo komisias Seqmnis?

_ imitom, rom Semodgomaze

„qarTuli ocneba” damTavrdeba.

xelisuflebaSi movlen opoziciuri

Zalebi, romlebic CemTan

erTad ibrZvian simarTlis dasadgenad.

darwmunebuli var, rom

momavali parlamenti, pirvels

rasac gaakeTebs, droebiT sagamoZiebo

komisias Seqmnis. sazogadoebac

da Cvenc yvela kiTxvaze

ùflebadamcvelebma ganacxades, rom yvela

braldeba da pretenzia, rasac susi Temirlans

uyenebda, aris dausabuTebeli. sami welia amas

vamtkiceb. Temirlani rom udanaSauloa, es

mTelma pankisis xeobam icis. mis

udanaSaulobas samarTlebrivadac davamtkiceb.

am brZolaSi es daskvnac Zalian damexmareba~

miviRebT pasuxs.

_ Tqveni Svilis teroristobaze

xelisuflebis warmomad-

genlebi ucxoel partniorebsac

esaubrebodnen. Tqveni azriT,

maT Seucvlis Sexedulebebs es

skandaluri daskvna?

_ darwmunebuli var, rom maT

Cemi Svilis teroristobisa am

daskvnis gamoqveynebamdec ar

sjerodaT.

_ ra gaZleT amis Tqmis sa-

babs?

_ Temirlani rom teroristad

CaeTvalaT, is amerikis saxelmwifo

departamentis angariSSi ar

moxvdeboda. ucxouri misiebi da

diplomatebi aseT daskvnebs

yuradRebiT kiTxuloben. da Tu

romelime maTgans marTlac hqonda

kiTxvebi da eWvebi, maTTvisac

yvelaferi naTeli gaxdeba.

male evropul sasamarTlozec

daiwyeba Cveni saqmis ganxilva.

saqarTvelos xelisuflebas

strasburgisTvis 31 martamde

unda gadaeca Temirlanis saqme-

Si arsebuli yvela masala, magram

es procesi droebiT gadaiwia.

_ ratom?

_ koronavirusis gamo. iseTi

mdgomareoba iyo msoflioSi,

amisTvis aravis ecala. rogorc

ki cota gaumjobesda viTareba,

saqmeebis ganxilvac daiwyo.

strasburgma moiTxova, mtkicebulebebi

15 ivnisamde miewodebinaT.

albaT, miawodebdnen.

_ ra mtkicebulebebzea

saubari?

_ sul aTi mtkicebulebaa.

_ strasburgis imedi Tu

gaqvT?

_ imedi rogor ar maqvs, magram

evropuli sasamarTlo

cota sxva Temaa.

_ sxva TemaSi ras gulisx-

mobT?

_ strasburgi saTqmels aucileblad

ityvis, magram specifikidan

gamomdinare, is saqmes

ver gamoiZiebs da damnaSaveebis

dadgenas ver daiwyebs. strasburgSi,

savaraudod, ityvian,

rom gamoZieba unda Catardes da

esa da es piri daisajos. kargad

viciT isic, rom rodesac moqalaqesa

da saxelmwifos Soris

midis aseTi mwvave dava, evropuli

sasamarTlo yovelTvis cdi-

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Svilmokluli mama politikaSi?

lobs, saxelmwifo ramenairad ar

daziandes. amitom vibrZvi ase

droebiTi sagamoZiebo komisiis

Sesaqmnelad. es komisia aucileblad

daadgens simarTles da Tan

iq Riad iqneba damnaSaveebze

saubari. am qveyanaSi samarTlis

povna Zalian Znelia, magram ara

_ SeuZlebeli. mTeli es periodi,

rac quCaSi vdgavar da simarTlisTvis

vibrZvi, uamrav adamians

Sevxvdi. CemTan iseTi xalxi

modioda, vinc samarTals

eZebda da ver poulobda. amaSi

arc parlamenti exmareboda, arc

prokuratura da arc sasamarTlo.

ivaniSvilis xelisufleba

klanebad aris dayofili, romelic

adamianebs simarTlis dadgenaSi

ar daexmareba. xelisuflebis

iZuleba mxolod erTad

dgomiT SegviZlia. umjobesia, es

xelisufleba SevcvaloT. arCevnebi

male Catardeba da „qarTuli

ocneba” warsuls Cabardeba.

_ bolo dros bevrs saubr-

oben, rom Tqven politikaSi

apirebT wasvlas. amasTan dakav-

SirebiT Tqvenc araerTxel gaa-

keTeT miniSnebebi. pirdapir

gviTxariT, apirebT Tu ara saparlamento

arCevnebSi monawi-

leobis miRebas?

_ bolo ramdenime xania,

Zalian xSirad laparakoben imaze,

rom malxaz maCalikaSvili politikaSi

modiso. winaswar gada-

WriT arafris Tqma SemiZlia, magram

gamoricxuli araferia.

_ pirdapir pasuxs mainc Tavs

aridebT da ar gveubnebiT, mid-

ixarT Tu ara politikaSi.

_ araerTxel miTqvams da

TqvenTanac gavimeoreb, rom

Temirlanis saqmis gamoZiebas Tu

dasWirda, politikaSi ki ara,

jojoxeTSi waval-meTqi. yvela

gzas gamoviyeneb imisTvis, rom

Cemi Svilis saqme bolomde miviyvano.

me unda davamtkico, rom

Temirlani udanaSauloa! vici,

rom amis yvelas sjera, magram me

samarTlebrivi gziT minda simarTlis

damtkiceba.

politikaSi Cemi mosvla mxolod

Temirlanis saqmes ar

ukavSirdeba. am brZolis man-

Zilze umravi adamiani gavicani,

romlebmac aseve ver SeZles simarTlis

povna da damnaSaveebis

dasjas ver miaRwies. me maT mimarT

pasuxismgeblobas vgrZnob.

politikaSi Tu wavedi, am adamianebis

uflebebis dasacavadac

vibrZoleb. maTac davexmarebi

samarTlis povnaSi. sxvaTa Soris,

swored es adamianebi mTxoven,

rom politikaSi wavide. maT miaCniaT,

rom SeiZleba, me viyo

maTi xma an parlamentSi, an

sakrebuloSi. Zalian bevri adamiani

mTxovs, rom es nabiji gadavdga,

amitom vTqvi xmamaRla,

rom SesaZlebelia, politikaSi

wavide-meTqi. politikaSi wasvlaSi

parlamentSi moxvedra

vigulisxme.

_ pirdapir parlamentSi gin-

daT Sesvla?

_ diax. es imitom minda, rom

Cemi Svilis saqmis Seswavlas Tvali

mivadevno.

`Temirlani rom teroristad CaeTvalaT, is amerikis saxelmwifo

departamentis angariSSi ar moxvdeboda. ucxouri misiebi da diplomatebi

aseT daskvnebs yuradRebiT kiTxuloben. da Tu romelime maTgans marTlac

hqonda kiTxvebi da eWvebi, maTTvisac yvelaferi naTeli gaxdeba. male

evropul sasamarTlozec daiwyeba Cveni saqmis ganxilva. saqarTvelos

xelisuflebas strasburgisTvis 31 martamde unda gadaeca Temirlanis

saqmeSi arsebuli yvela masala, magram es procesi droebiT gadaiwia~

_ ar endobiT im komisias,

romelic, rogorc Tqven am-

bobT, momaval parlamentSi

aucileblad Seiqmneba?

_ undoblobis mizezi namdvilad

ar maqvs, magram ufro mSvidad

viqnebi, Tu piradad

CaverTvebi am saqmis SeswavlaSi.

Tan Cemze meti informacia am

dawyevlil specoperaciaze

aravis aqvs. amitom minda parlamentSi

Sesvla. saboloo gadawyvetileba

jer mainc ar mimiRia.

nabijis gadadgmaSi erTi raRac

miSlis xels.

_ ra giSliT xels?

_ ar minda, rom susma daiwyos

Cemi gaSaveba.

_ mTeli am wlebis manZilze

imdenjer gagaSaves, iseTi ramee-

bi dagabrales, rom metis mogoneba

SeuZlebelia. amis miuxe-

davad, brZola ar SegiwyvetiaT

da axla ratom ikavebT Tavs?

_ imitom, rom axla Zalian

cud Temas wamoweven, rasac gansakuTrebiT

vufrTxildebi. amaT

ician Cemi susti wertili da am

mimarTulebiT Semomiseven TavianT

trolebsa da botebs.

_ ra Temaa, SegiZliaT

gviTxraT?

_ ityvian, rom Tavisi Svilis

sikvdili imisTvis gamoiyena,

politikaSi wasuliyoo. Cemi

Temirlanis saxels vufrTxildebi

da amitom vikaveb Tavs.

ar minda, raRac Worebma itrialos

Cemi Svilis garSemo. bavSvs

isedac bevri rame mougones da

daabrales. is ar akmares, rom

loginSi mZinare momikles.

_ gasagebia Tqveni wuxili,

magram im xalxs ras eubnebiT,

romelic, rogorc Tqven am-

bobT, iTxovs, rom politikaSi

waxvideT?

_ Tu saboloo uars vityvi

politikaSi wasvlaze, isini gagebiT

moekidebian. isinic xom xedaven,

rom yvela troli da boti

talaxs mesvris. viRacam rom

Tqvas, maCalikaSvilma Svili gayidao,

SeiZleba, guli gamiskdes.

saboloo gadawyvetileba jer ar

mimiRia, Tumca politikaSi wasvlaze

aqtiurad midis saubrebi.

_ visTan midis saubrebi,

romelime partiasTan?

_ Cem gverdSi myof adami-

`volskis, mdinaraZesa da kobaxiZes vurCev, cota frTxilad da

mozomilad ilaparakon. maT adamianebis Seuracxyofis ufleba aravin

misca. parlamentis wevrebi rom arian, es arafers niSnavs. Zalian male

isini quCaSi darCebian da bevr kiTxvaze mouwevT pasuxis gacema. amqveynad

mudmivi araferia, maT Soris, Tanamdeboba~

anebTan. politikosebTanac misaubria

am Temaze. Zalian bevri

maTgani gavicani. am momentisTvis

politikaSi wasvlaze cotas vfiqrob.

ramdenime kviraSi mecodineba

zusti pasuxi. sanam saboloo

gadawyvetilebas miviReb, kargad

unda avwon-davwono yvelaferi,

davelaparako axloblebs.

jer Camoyalibebuli ar var. xelisuflebasa

da maT trolbotebs

movuwodeb, Sewyviton

talaxis srola. jer mec ar vici,

ras vizam da nu yvirian, politikaSi

ratom modiso.

ramdenime Tvis win gaxsovT,

parlamentSi rom ar SemiSves.

parlamentis Tavmjdomarem gasca

amaze brZaneba. viRacebma

Tqves, rom malxaz maCalikaSvili

araTu parlamentSi, sazogadoebis

TavSeyris sxva adgilebSic

ar aris SesaSvebio. am adamianebs

minda vuTxra, rom SeiZleba, parlamentis

wevris rangSi mixilon

sakanonmdeblo organoSi.

mimaCnia, rom xalxma unda

gadawyvitos, ekuTvnis Tu ara

maCalikaSvils parlamentSi Sesvla.

aseve xalxma unda gadawyvitos

da parlamentSi arsebuli

„teroristuli organizaciis”

wevrebi gareT gamoyaros. namdvili

teroristebi egeni arian.

_ teroristebad xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebs moix-

seniebT?

_ ra Tqma unda. mTel qveyanas

ateroreben, teroristebi arian,

aba, ra arian?! volskis, mdinaraZesa

da kobaxiZes vurCev, cota

frTxilad da mozomilad ilaparakon.

maT adamianebis Seuracxyofis

ufleba aravin misca.

parlamentis wevrebi rom arian,

es arafers niSnavs. Zalian male

isini quCaSi darCebian da bevr

kiTxvaze mouwevT pasuxis gacema.

amqveynad mudmivi araferia,

maT Soris, Tanamdeboba.

me TiTqmis darwmunebuli var,

rom „qarTuli ocneba warsulis

nawilia, magram maTi damarcxeba

advili ar iqneba. amis gakeTebas

opozicia mxolod im SemTxveva-

Si SeZlebs, Tu erTad idgeba.

_ erTad dgoma opoziciam

SeiZleba, ver SeZlos.

_ zogjer mec ase mgonia, rom

erTad brZolis gagrZelebas ver

SeZleben, amitom minda, maT mivmarTo

da vTxovo, rom piradi ambiciebi

droebiT gverdiT gadadon.

Zalian gansxvavebuli Zalebi

arian, magram erTianobis SenarCuneba

ar unda gauWirdeT.

SeuZlebeli xom araferia, Tan

isini Zalian didi miznisTvis

ibrZvian _ maT damnaSave xelisufleba

unda Secvalon.

yvelam icis, Tu ra jojoxeTi

gamoviare am wlebis ganmavloba-

Si, aTasi Wori da ubedureba

momigones, xandaxan vfiqrobdi,

rom brZolas veRar gavagr-

Zelebdi, magram Semdeg sakuTar

TavSi vpoulobdi Zalas. vTxov

opozicias, rogorme monaxos

Zala da erTianoba SeinarCunos.

es xelisufleba aucileblad

unda SevcvaloT.

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àm kriminaluri xelisuflebis

qarTul politikaSi siaxlea _

giorgi abaSiZe

damoukidebeli deputati nato

CxeiZe „saxelmwifo xalxisTvis”

politsabWos xelmZRvaneli, anu partiis lideri gaxda. am par-

tias, romelic 2016 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis win, paata

burWulaZem daafuZna, bolo wuTamde nika maWutaZe xelmZRv-

anelobda. partiis axali lideri sazogadoebas swored

maWutaZem warudgina.

zemoxsenebuli

cvlileba

„ocnebas” uyuradRebod ar dar-

Cenia. yovel SemTxvevaSi, parla-

mentis yofilma Tavmjdomare

irakli kobaxiZem am Temaze ko-

mentirebisas ironia moiSvelia

da ganacxada: „es gamoiwvevs

ryevebs qarTul politikaSi da

axla velodebiT, ra iqneba zus-

ti Sedegi am yvelafris”.

ise, gulwrfelad rom vTq-

vaT, nato CxeiZem da misma

meuRle zaza oquaSvilma „ocne-

ba” ori wlis win ukve Searyies,

anu rogorc „saxelmwifo xalxisTvis”

lideri Cvens gamocemas-

Tan ambobs, zaza oquaSvilis

mier ori wlis win gakeTebulma

gancxadebebma „ocnebis” unia-

Tobis imiji daamsxvria da xalxma

dainaxa, rom mmarTveli par-

tia uniaTo ki araa, kriminalur

saqmianobas eweva.

sxvaTa Soris, vidre nato

CxeiZe „saxelmwifo xalxisTvis”

lideri gaxdeboda, SevityveT,

rom „omegas” mier dafuZnebuli

kompaniebi tv „mTavaris” lamis

40-procentiani wilis mflo-

belebi gaxdnen. yvelaferi es ki

imaze mianiSnebs, rom nato CxeiZe

qarTul politikaSi seri-

ozuli moTamaSea.

miiyvans Tu ara sakuTar

gunds partiaSi da ra gegmebi

aqvs rogorc partiis liders?

_ „qronika+” nato CxeiZes es-

aubra:

_ qalbatono nato, partiis

xelmZRvanelobas gilocavT.

sxvaTa Soris, bolo interviueb-

Si am Temaze gadakvriT vsaubr-

obdiT da es prognozi axda,

Tumca megona, rom axal partias

daafuZnebdiT.

„saxelmwifo

xalxisTvis” politsabWos xelmZRvanelobaze

ratom dasTanxm-

diT?

_ partiis xelmZRvaneloba, ki

batono, mosalocicaa da sapasuxismgeblo

saqmec, miT umetes,

roca oTx TveSi arCevnebia. rac

Seexeba imas, am SemoTavazebas

ratom davTanxmdi, didi xania,

opoziciaSi var. gasuli wlis

noembridan ki im opoziciuri

formatis wevri gaxlavarT,

romelic leiboristebis ofisSi

imarTeba. parlamentSi marto,

anu damoukidebeli deputatis

statusiT viyavi, magram arCevnebSi

damoukideblad monawileoba

Zalian rTulia, miT

umetes, am pirobebSi.

_ „am pirobebSi” ras gulisx-

mobT?

_ rame ucabed siurprizs an

triuks, romelic SesaZloa, xelisuflebam

SemogvTavazos. mokled,

arCevnebSi monawileoba

gunduri unda iyos. amitomac

gundur saqmianobas da muSaobas,

raRa Tqma unda, davTanxmdi.

_ gundur muSaobas, geTanxme-

biT, upiratesoba aqvs, magram ar

gerCiaT, sakuTari partia SegeqmnaT,

miT umetes, rom „sax-

elmwifo xalxisTvis”, Tavis

droze, seriozul skandalebSi

gaexvia, anu es ambebi xalxs,

SesaZloa, aRar axsovs, magram

Tu xelisuflebas dasWirdeba,

warsuls, bunebrivia, amoqeqavs.

_ diax, sworad aRniSneT _

partiebs, Tu xelisuflebas

sWirdeba, skandalebSi xvevs

xolme, magram imis iqiT, rasac

xelisufleba amoqeqavs, realoba

arsebobs.

_ anu?

_ ra da rogoric unda yofiliyo,

is warsulia. Cven, yvelani

ki momavlisTvis varT mowodebulni.

ase rom, „saxelmwifo

xalxisTvis” kvalificiuri da

Semdgari partiaa.

amasTan, iqidan gamomdinare,

rom deputati var, ukve saparlamento

partiacaa. Sesabamisad, am

partiaSi mTeli rigi benefiti

arsebobs. roca Semdgari partia

Sen mimarT ndobas gamoxatavs, es

ndoba arc am partiis warmomadgenlebs

unda gaucruo da arc _

maT, romlebic, Tavis droze,

misi mxardamWerebi iyvnen. sxva-

Ta Soris, 2016 wels „saxelmwifo

xalxisTvis” arCevnebSi

damoukideblad monawileobda

da am partiis damaarseblis mimarT

xelisuflebidan raRac

cudi ganwyoba rom ar yofiliyo,

advili SesaZlebeli iqneboda,

parlamentSic moxvedriliyo.

_ marTalia, amjerad poli-

tikaSi aRar ereva, magram roca

SemoTavazeba miiReT, paata bur-

WulaZesTan, rogorc „saxelmwifo

xalxisTvis” damfuZnebelTan,

garkveuli konsulta-

ciebi Tu gqondaT?

_ SemoTavazeba mimdinare

wlis dasawyisSi miviRe da saubari

mxolod partiis wevreb-

Tan ki ara, cxadia, paata burWulaZesTanac

mqonda, Tumca paata

am partiaSi aRar aris da Tavis

saqmianobas daubrunda.

_ Tu politsabWos xelmZRv-

anelobaze SemoTavazeba wlis

dasawyisSi miiReT, amis Sesaxeb

sazogadoebas aqamde ratom ar

amcneT?

_ Cveni urTierTobis afiSireba

koronapandemis gamo ar moxda.

axla ki koronas erTma etapma

gadaiara. marTalia, gveubnebian,

rom SesaZloa, meore

talRac iyos, Tumca mgonia, rom

es xelisuflebis saWiroebaze

iqneba damokidebuli. erTi sityviT,

Cveni urTierTobis gamomzeureba

am koronatalRebs

Soris moxda.

_ „saxelmwifo xalxisTvis” ki

aris kvalificiuri politsubieqti,

magram am partiidan sa-

zogadoeba mxolod nika

maWutaZes icnobda, anu polit-

gaerTanebis saxeebi vin arian an

partiaSi Tqvens gunds Tu miiy-

vanT, qalbatono nato?

_ „gunds miviyvan” ase ar vityvi.

_ aba, rogor ityviT?

_ adamianebi, romlebic me da

Cems garemocvas endobian, albaT,

Tavad movlen. yovel SemTxveva-

Si, ase mgonia da amis Semdeg vnaxavT,

am partiaSi Cveni arseboba

saintereso ramdenisTvis iqneba.

_ rac Seexeba e. w. feisebs,

anu maWutaZis garda, partiaSi

vin dagxvdaT?

_ saxeebi maT hqviaT, vinc

televiziiT gamodian. samwuxarod,

saxe gazeTSi dabeWdil fotosac

aRar hqvia.

_ diax, samwuxarod, po-

litelita mediad mxolod

televizias aRiqvams, rac, Cemi

azriT, didi Secdomaa!

_ mokled, esec piaris nawilia,

rom mxolod sazogadoebisTvis

cnobili saxeebi gamoCndnen.

sazrunavi, cxadia, am kuTxi-

Tac gveqneba.

òcnebam~ potenciali, jer kidev, ori wlis

winaT, zaza oquaSvilSi dainaxa. ise, kobaxiZes

sityva `ryeva~ tyuilad ar uxsenebia - diax,

òcnebis~ imiji, rom TiTqos uniaToa, Searyia,

anu uniaToba òcnebis~ cudi saqmianobis

ganmsazRvreli iyo, magram zaza oquaSvilma

miuTiTa, rom uniaToebi ki ar iyvnen, aramed

saxelmwifosTvis saziano saqmianobasa da

kriminaluri saqmianobisken gadaxraSi amxila!

es òcnebisTvis~ Zalian seriozuli ryeva iyo

da kobaxiZem sityva `Seryeva~ swored am

gancdis gamo gamoiyena~

nato CxeiZe:

òcneba~

TavdaRmarTzea

da asi

koronac rom

iyos, bunebriv

viTarebas win

ver aRudgeba!~

_ asea Tu ise, Tqvenma liderobam

„ocneba” erTob gaaRiz-

iana da irakli kobaxiZem mZafri

gancxadebebic „mogiZRvnaT”.

amis mizezi „omegas” ori wlis

winandeli skandalia Tu igive

kobaxiZem TqvenSi, rogorc

partiis liderSi, is potenciali

dainaxa, romelic mma-

rTveli gundisTvis saSiSia?

_ „ocnebam” potenciali, jer

kidev, ori wlis winaT, zaza

oquaSvilSi dainaxa. ise, kobaxiZes

sityva „ryeva” tyuilad ar

uxsenebia _ diax, „ocnebis” imiji,

rom TiTqos uniaToa, Searyia,

anu uniaToba „ocnebis” cudi

saqmianobis ganmsazRvreli iyo,

magram zaza oquaSvilma miuTiTa,

rom uniaToebi ki ar iyvnen,

aramed saxelmwifosTvis saziano

saqmianobasa da kriminaluri

saqmianobisken gadaxraSi amxila!

es „ocnebisTvis” Zalian seriozuli

ryeva iyo da kobaxiZem sityva

„Seryeva” swored am gancdis

gamo gamoiyena. erTi sityviT,

ryevebs mxolod Cemgan ar elodebian,

Tumca Cemganac iqneba!

kobaxiZe Seecada, Tavis frazeb-

Si ironia gaeria, magram dRes

iseTi viTarebaa, rom misi naTqvami

ironiad ki ara, ufro realobad

aRiqmeba!

_ iqidan gamomdinare, rom

„saxelmwifo xalxisTvis” „Zala

erTobaSiasTan” erTadaa, am

formatis wevri avtomaturad

gaxdiT. qalbatono nato, „Zala

erTobaSias” muSaobaSi ukve Cae-

rTeT?

_ cal-calke yvelas Sevxvdi _

maT aqamdec vicnobdi, magram es

individualuri Sexvedra Cvens

ofisSi Sedga. gaerTianebul

formatSi ki uaxloes dReebSi

SevxvdebiT.

_ „Zala erTobaSias” wevri im

dros gaxdiT, roca giorgi

vaSaZis premieris kandidatobad

dasaxelebas garkveuli uTanx-

moeba moyva. am sakiTxze Tqveni

pozicia rogoria?

_ maSin, roca am Temaze daiwyo

saubari, „Zala erTobaSias”

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Secvla saxelmwifo interesia!~

wevri ar viyavi da, ase vTqvaT,

xmis uflebac ar mqonda, Tumca

rogorc garedan davinaxe, amas

ganxeTqileba ar mohyolia. ganxeTqileba

rom yofiliyo, maSin es

erToba ar SenarCundeboda.

_ saqme saqmeze rom midges,

premeirad giorgi vaSaZis kandi-

daturas mxars dauWerT?

_ vnaxoT. ase saubari rTulia.

_ rTuli ratomaa?

_ gaaCnia, ra viTareba da argumentebi

iqneba, anu bevri „Tu”

arsebobs da es „Tuebi” viskenac

gadawonis, cxadia, mas davuWer

mxars!

_ ise, „saxelmwifo xalx-

isTvis” wevri Tqveni meuRle,

zaza oquaSvilic gaxda?

_ ara.

_ apirebs, rom aqtiur poli-

tikur cxovrebas daubrundes?

_ mis magivrad ver gipasuxebT...

_ qalbatono nato, romelime

olqSi opoziciis gaerTianebu-

li maJoritarobis kandidati

xom ar iqnebiT?

_ roca SevikribebiT da Tu am

sakiTxma wamoiwia, anu Tu maT

moindomes, Tu mec davTanxmdi da

Tu es saerTo saqmisTvis sasargeblo

iqneba, maSin cxadia, viqnebi.

ase rom, am kuTxiTac bevri

„Tua” da jobia, jer gadawyvetileba

miviRoT da mere visaubroT.

_ gasagebia, magram ar mgonia,

Tqvens maJoritarobaze opozi-

ciaSi vinmes „Tu” hqondes,

rameTu Tavad gaixseneT, rom

swored zaza oquaSvilma amxila

„ocneba” kriminalur mi-

drekilebebSi, anu mmarTveli

elitis sajaro mxileba Tqvenma

ojaxma gabeda. amitomac sruli

ufleba gaqvT, rom maJoritaris

mandati moiTxovoT. vcdebi?

_ ki batono, marTali brZandebiT

_ „ocnebis”, ase vTqvaT,

monoliTurobaSi seriozuli

bzari swored zazas gancxadebebma

gaaCina. aman sazogadoebis

grZnobebisa Tu fiqrebis advilad

gamoxatva gamoiwvia, anu

raRacas adamianebi Tavadac

fiqroben, magram zogjer yoymanoben,

es asea Tu arao. zazas

gancxadebebi ki xalxma advilad

miiRo, radgan Tavadac ase

fiqrobda. yvelafers Tavi rom

davaneboT, mxolod esemes SetyobinebebiT

Tu socialuri

qseliT Zalian bevri Cveni

gulSematkivari, TanamgrZnobi

da TanamebrZolia, magram ma-

Joritarobis kandidatobaze

gadawyvetilebis miReba mainc

bevr ramezea damokidebuli da,

modiT, im Sekrebas davelodoT,

romelzedac saerTo gadawyvetilebas

miiReben.

_ qalbatono nato, rogorc

„Zala erTobaSias” wevrs mixeil

saakaSvilTan komunikacia mogi-

wevT. 2004 wlis, anu „omegaze”

ganxorcielebuli

„naciona-

luri Sturmis” Semdeg saqarT-

velos mesame prezidentTan

urTierToba gqoniaT?

ìberia~ xelisuflebam Jurnalistebisa da operatorebis nawilis saSualebiT

daxura - ìberiaSi~ dawyebuli janyi gaxsovT da, sxvaTa Soris, mere igive

aWaris televiziaSic gaimeores. ìberia~, jerjerobiT, daxurulia, magram

ìberia~ sxva drosac iyo daxuruli, Tumca eTerSi isev gavida~

_ ara, ar mqonia!

_ warsulis gamo garkveuli

uxerxuloba xom ar Segeqm-

nebaT?

_ uxerxuloba ratom unda

mqondes? ai, magaliTad, irakli

oqruaSvili e. w. leiboristuli

magidis wevria da erT magidasTan

vsxedvarT. iciT, ra xdeba?

_ aravisTvis araferi damiSavebia

da uxerxuloba ratom

unda mqondes? sxvaTa Soris,

makiavelma Tqva, mizani amarTlebs

saSualebaso da es maSin

xdeba, roca saxelmwifoebriv

interesebze vsaubrobT. diax,

axla wina planze saxelmwifo interesebia

da es interesi am kriminaluri

xelisuflebis Secvlaa!

saamisod yvela saSualebaa

gamosayenebeli da esec erT-er-

Tia, roca is adamianebi konsolidirdebian,

romlebsac identuri

mizani aqvT!

_ qalbatono nato, Tqveni,

rogorc partiis lideris mo-

sazreba im angariSze, romelsac

13 amerikeli kongresmeni awers

xels da sadac biZina ivaniSvili

saqarTveloSi rusuli intere-

sebis erTgvar xelSemwyobad

miiCneva, rogoria?

_ es kidev erTi Zalian mwvave

gancxadebaa, romelic mxolod

„qarTul ocnebas” ki ara, biZina

ivaniSvilsac albaT, aiZulebs,

rom Tavis destruqciulobas

raRac konstruqciulobis elferi

misces da Sesabamisad, Zalian

gamWvirvale da araZaladobrivi

arCevnebi Caataros! sxva gza,

ubralod, ar rCeba da es unda

gaakeTos!

_ zogs eWvi epareba, rom „ocneba”

gamWvirvale arCevnebs Caa-

tarebs.

_ miT uaresi misTvis, Tu gam-

Wvirvale da araZaladobriv

arCevnebs ar Caatarebs.

_ sxvaTa Soris, mas Semdeg,

rac „saxelmwifo xalxisTvis”

lideri gaxdiT, is partia gaix-

seneT, romelic ori wlis win

datoveT da isic TqviT, darw-

munebuli ar viyavi, moskovSi

Cveni vizitebi Sedegs Tu

moitandao. rodis mixvdiT, rom

„patriotebis” moskovuri viz-

itebi uSedego iqneboda?

_ deputatis deputatTan sa-

`meore talRis aseTi molodinis aqtivacia

tyulad ar xdeba da kanonebsac iseTs iRebs,

rom xalxze mzrunvelobis sababiT, koronas

arCevnebis dros opoziciis winaaRmdeg

gamoyeneba SesaZlebeli iqneba, magram

bunebrivi viTareba iseTia, rom òcneba~

TavdaRmarTzea. arCevnebis dros es

TavdaRmarTi CaTavdeba, anu gavakebamde miva

da asi korona rom iyos, òcneba~ bunebriv

viTarebas win ver aRudgeba!~

ubari Sedegs rom ar moitanda,

amas maSinve mivxvdi, roca qar-

Tveli deputatebi rus deputatebs

vesaubrebodiT. saer-

Tod, opoziciis warmomadgenlisa

da xelisuflebis deputatis

Sexvedrebi Sedegis momtani

ar aris, magram raRac SedegisTvis

dasawyisia. raRacis dasawyisi

ki, albaT, yovelTvis saWiroa,

miT umetes, rom maSin saubrebi

iseT socialur problemebs

Seexeboda, rogoricaa, magaliTad,

galis raionSi qarTuli

wignebis Setana, qarTvelebisTvis,

romlebsac ruseTSi uamravi

naTesavi da axlobeli

hyavT, vizis miRebis gaioleba _

yvelam viciT, saelCosTan vizis

aRebisas rogori korufciac

trialebda. am tipis problemebis

mogvareba saqarTvelos mosaxleobisTvis,

raRa Tqma unda,

kargi iqneboda. yovel SemTxveva-

Si, Cemi survili swored es iyo

da moqmedebac aman ganapiroba.

_ roma ara „omegas” ambebi,

„patriotTa alianss” datoveb-

diT?

_ zogjer sababi da mizezi

sxvadasxvaa.

_ anu?

_ datovebis sababi cota

adre, SeiZleba, sxva ram yofiliyo.

cota mere ki _ sxva.

zogadad, politika iseTi ramea,

raRacaSi rom ver SeTanxmdebi da

saerTo azri aRar arsebobs,

mere, ra Tqma unda, gzebi iyofa.

_ cxadia, asea, magram „sax-

elmwifo xalxisTvis” TqvenTvis

mesame partiaa _ politikuri

moRvaweoba 90-ian wlebSi

„tradicionalistTa kavSiriT”

daiwyeT, mere „patriotebis”

wevri iyaviT, axla ki sruliad

sxva partiis lideri xarT. qal-

batono nato, pirdapir gkiTx-

avT da pirdapir mipasuxeT:

ufro komfortulad romel

partiaSi grZnobdiT Tavs?

_ yvela partia, romelSic

viyavi, opoziciuri iyo.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ opoziciur partiaSi yofna

komfortuli araa.

_ ratom?

_ roca opoziciur partiaSi

xar, sabrZolo gancda gaqvs. ma-

Sin ki, roca davinaxav, rom es

sabrZolo gancda arasabrZolo-

Ti Seicvleba, komfortulad

ver vigrZnob Tavs!

_ ise, 2018 wlis Semdeg movlenebi

elvis siswrafiT vi-

Tardeba, anu maSin „omegaze”

saxelisuflebo Setevas „iberiis”

daxurva moyva. axla ki „omegas”

mier dafuZnebuli kompaniebi

„mTavaris” 40-procen-

tiani wilis mflobelebi arian.

yvelaferi es imas niSnavs, rom

tv „iberia” ukve qarTuli medi-

is warsulia?

_ ara, ase ratom unda vTqvaT?

_ aba, rogor unda vTqvaT?

_ „iberia” xelisuflebam Jurnalistebisa

da operatorebis

nawilis saSualebiT daxura _

„iberiaSi” dawyebuli janyi gaxsovT

da, sxvaTa Soris, mere igive

aWaris televiziaSic gaimeores.

„iberia”, jerjerobiT, daxurulia,

magram „iberia” sxva drosac

iyo daxuruli, Tumca eTer-

Si isev gavida.

_ ki batono, magram maSin,

roca erTxel daxuruli „ibe-

ria” eTerSi dabrunda, sxva

televizia ar gqondaT. axla ki

„mTavaris” msxvili mewile xarT.

_ televiziebs ramdenime arxi

xom aqvT xolme?

_ diax, aqvT.

_ hoda, vnaxoT. saerTod, gr-

Zelvadian gegmebze saubari

rTulia.

_ ratom?

_ imitom ki ara, rom amis

gaTvla ar SegiZlia. ubralod,

realobamac unda Segiwyos xeli.

jer imis realoba ar arsebobs,

rom „iberia” eTerSi iyos, magram

rogorc ki amis realoba dadgeba,

es moxdeba!

_ saintereso pasuxia... sxva-

Ta Soris, zogi miiCnevs, rom

korona saarCevnod „ocnebis”

mTavar mokavSired iqca. Tqvenc

ase xom ar fiqrobT, qalbatono

nato?

_ koronas xelisufleba ukve

iyenebs.

_ rogor?

_ meore talRis aseTi molodinis

aqtivacia tyulad ar xdeba

da kanonebsac iseTs iRebs,

rom xalxze mzrunvelobis sababiT,

koronas arCevnebis dros

opoziciis winaaRmdeg gamoyeneba

SesaZlebeli iqneba, magram

bunebrivi viTareba iseTia, rom

„ocneba” TavdaRmarTzea. arCevnebis

dros es TavdaRmarTi CaTavdeba,

anu gavakebamde miva da

asi korona rom iyos, „ocneba”

bunebriv viTarebas win ver

aRudgeba! iciT, rogoraa? _ vTqvaT,

qariSxali modis, magram win

ver gadaeRobebi. ai, xelisufleba

axla aseT viTarebaSia _

Zalianac unda, rom arc qariSxali

iyos da arc _ setyva, mze

anaTebdes da nazi sio uberavdes,

magram amis ganwyoba ar arsebobs

_ ca moqufrulia da is bunebrivi

procesebi, rac unda moxdes,

aucilebald moxdeba!

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`saakaSvilis faqtoris gareSe saqarTveloSi

ramdenime dRis win saqarTve-

giorgi abaSiZe

los mesame prezidenti axali iniciativiT

gamovida. kerZod, mix-

eil saakaSvilma opoziciur partiebs mouwoda, yvela jgufi

erTian saarCevno siaSi gawevriandes. eqsprezidentis am ideas

opoziciaSi araerTgvarovani Sefaseba moyva. ufro zustad,

erTiani siis idea, giorgi vaSaZis garda, leiboristebmac daiwunes,

bokerias gundmac da sxvebmac. istorikosi da politi-

kosi nestan kirTaZe ki „qronika+~-sTan ambobs, rom wlevan-

del arCevnebSi „ocnebis” damarcxeba, Tu opozicia mixeil

saakaSvilis faqtors ar gaiTvaliswinebs, rTuli iqneba.

mokled, ratom iqneba

arCevnebamde darCenili peri-

odi urTulesi da rogor unda

damarcxdes oligarqati? _

„qronika+~ gTavazobT inter-

vius nestan kirTaZesTan?

_ qalbatono nestan, rogor

xarT, koronoba gadaitaneT?

_ am process sruliad realurad

SevxedeT da regulaciebsac

daveqvemdebareT, Tumca

Cveni ganwyoba iyo, rom yvelaferi

es cota ufro teleproeqts

hgavda, vidre sinamdvileSia!

_ teleproeqtis versias ar-

sebobis ufleba aqvs, miT

umetes, rom koronobis mosalodneli

meore talRa Semodgomas,

anu arCevnebs emTxveva.

Sesabamisad, xom ar fiqr-

obT, rom korona „ocnebis”

xelSi opoziciasTan sabrZo-

lvelad erTgvar politikur

iaraRad iqca?

_ am kuTxiT originaluri ar

viqnebi, miT umetes, rom rigiTma

moqalaqeebma, romelTa kiserzec

koronobis yvela sirTulem

gadaiara, pirveli daskvnebi

ukve gaakeTes. diax, es, ra

Tqma unda, politikuri iaraRia

da koronoba, rogorc aqtualuri

Tema, 2020 wlis noembris

arCevnebis mere, anu mas Semdeg

dasruldeba, rac trampi aSS-is

prezidenti kidev erTxel gaxdeba.

_ e. i., im versiisken ixrebiT,

rom koronapanika e. w. neolib-

eralebis trampze Setevaa?

_ aRniSnul sakiTxze ara mxolod

politikosebis, numerologebisa

da ufologebis kvlevebi

metyvelebs, aramed

amaze ukve cnobili eqimebic

saubroben. sxvaTa Soris, am

Temaze saubari pirvelad Svedma

eqimebma daiwyes, romelTac

paraleluri kvlevebi Caatares.

aseve Zalian sainteresoa germanuli

da amerikuli kvlevebic,

maT Soris, janmos saqmianobaze.

CineTTan dakavSrebiT

ki damoukidebeli gamoZieba

mimdinareobs. es realobis

kidev erTi mxarea, romelmac

mTel am process kritikulad

Sexeda da sazogadoebas namdvili

daskvnis gamotanis saSualeba

misca.

_ davuSvaT, koronavirusis

safrTxe gadaWarbebulia, ma-

gram sainteresoa, trampi am

avantiuras ratom wamoego?

_ es rTuli Temaa, Tumca

korona, sxva procesebTan er-

Tad, trampis oponentebma gam-

oiyenes. amitom tramps lokalur

koronaomebTan gamklaveba

uwevs. yvelafer amas gamoZiebebi

axlavs da arCevnebis Semdeg

Zalian Tamami daskvnebi gakeTdeba!

_ is, rac floidis mkv-

lelobas aSS-Si mohyva, ko-

ronaomis gagrZelebaa, qalba-

tono nestan?

_ me, rogorc analitikosi,

istorikosi da politikosi

neoliberalizmze, romlis daisic

ukve dawyebulia, ar visaubreb,

magram erT faqtors

miaqcieT yuradReba: gamosvlebi

da demonstrantebTan mimarTebiT

policielTa qmedebebi

aSS-sa da evropaSi TiTqmis er-

Tnairia, anu am mkvlelobas zustad

iseTive gamoxmaureba did

britaneTSic mohyva. amiT imis

Tqma minda, rom procesebi im

erTnairi scenariT ganviTardeba,

romelic 2021 wlidan mTliani

msoflios Secvlas Seuwyobs

xels. yvelaferi es ki, rasakvirvelia,

saqarTvelosac Seexeba.

_ Cven ra kuTxiT Segvexeba?

ise, cota ucnauria, rom zus-

tad maSin, roca aSS-Si rTuli

viTarebaa, 13 kongresmeni

saqarTvelosTvis iclis da

ivaniSvils saqarTveloSi ruseTis

interesebis gamtare-

blad acxadebs.

_ amasTan dakavSirebiT erT

pasaJs getyviT da im adamianebs

ar davemsgavsebi, romlebic am

13 kongresmenis sakiTxze erTnairad

saubroben. es angariSi

Zalian mniSvnelovani dokumentia,

romelic SeiZleba, mmarTveli

partiis winasaarCevno manifestaciad

ganvixiloT, anu es

angariSi CvenTvis saintereso

ukrainel prorus oligarqebTan

erTad mxolod ivaniSvilis

xsenebis gamo ki ara, imitomacaa,

mmarTveli konservatiuli

partia, globalur safrTxeebTan

dakavSirebiT, saqarTvelos

ise moixseniebs, rogorc

misTvis saintereso saxelmwifos

da mokavSires, anu amiT aSS

mianiSnebs, rom Cvens politikur

da ekonomikur sakiTxebs

Tvalyurs adevnebs. qarTuli

demokratiuli opoziciisa da

mosaxleobisTvis Zalian mniSvnelovani

gzavnili swored

esaa.

_ SeiZleba, magram „ocneba”

ufro trampis mimdevaria. amitom

gaugebaria, aSS-is mmarTveli

partia Cvens xelisuflebas

ratom „artyams” an „ocneb-

nestan kirTaZe:

`kremli saintereso

manevrebs Caatarebs,

raTa opozicia

erTmaneTs gadaamteros

da politikur

sivrceze kartblanSi

moipovos!~

is” spikerebi amerikel kon-

gresmenebs „nacionalebsa” da

lobistebisgan mosyidulebs

ratom eZaxian?

_ „ocnebam” sagareo politikaSi

sruli ucodinaroba,

araprofesionalizmi gamoamJ-

Ravna da nulze qvemoT Cavida.

daviT zalkaliani, romelic

profesionali diplomatia,

Zalian menaneba, radgan groteskul

viTarebaSi aRmoCnda.

rac Seexeba „ocnebis” spikerebs,

isini politikurad ugunuri

adamianebi arian da, Zalian

gTxovT, maT gancxadebebze

komentars nu gamakeTebinebT!

me, rogorc profesori, momaval

diplomatebs, magistrantebsa

da aspirantebs swored

amas vaswavli, Tu kazusi Sesa-

Zloa, moxdes diplomatiaSi, es

kazusi, samwuxarod, saqarTveloSi

moxda!

_ gasagebia, rom „ocnebis”

spikerebis gancxadebebis Sefaseba

ar gindaT, magram faq-

tia: opoziciaSic movlenebi

ucnaurad viTardeba. ai, ma-

galiTad, irakli oqruaSvilma,

romelmac ramdenime Tve cixe-

Si gaatara, maJoritarobis kan-

didatobaze uari ganacxada.

Tako Carkviani ki giga boke-

rias pirdapir „SuSis sasaxlis”

gagrZeleba „SiSis sasaxles”

uwodebs. e. i., opozicia

daqsaqsulia?

_ Cemi analizi minda, qarTul-amerikul

urTierTobaSi

Cavsva da ara _ ama Tu im gvarTan

dakavSirebiT.

_ anu?

_ rasac axla getyviT, eqskluzivia:

zustad 100 wlis winaT

saqarTvelos hqonda Sansi.

òcnebam~ sagareo politikaSi sruli

ucodinaroba, araprofesionalizmi

gamoamJRavna da nulze qvemoT Cavida. daviT

zalkaliani, romelic profesionali

diplomatia, Zalian menaneba, radgan

groteskul viTarebaSi aRmoCnda~

_ risi?

_ aSS-is maSindelma prezidentma,

uilsonma Tavisi megobari

da gavleniani generali

jeims harbordi saqarTveloSi

gamogzavna. maSin imaze ar iyo

laparaki, rom versalis xelSekrulebaze

saqarTvelos mandati

aSS-s aeRo _ is ufro somxeTis

mandatisken ixreboda, magram

socialistma noe Jordaniam,

romelic saqarTvelos premierministri

iyo, Tavs ufleba ar

misca _ Tavi moiavadmyofa, rom

amerikel generals ar Sexvedroda

da mas e. w. ceremoniuli

sazogadoeba, maT Soris,

ministrebic Sexvdnen. es aSS-m,

cxadia, SeniSna da am arSexvedris

gamo sakmaod cinikuri

werili daubrunes.

mokled, axlac zustad ase-

Ti viTarebaa _ aSS mokavSire

saxelmwifoa, romelmac Cveni

saxelmwifoebriobis Sesanar-

Cuneblad yvelaferi gaakeTa.

bolos da bolos, roca puri ar

gvqonda, xorbali mogvca da

gadagvarCina. laparaki instituciebis

mSeneblobebsa da

qarTuli saxelmwifos Seqmnis

SesaZleblobazea. yvelafer

amas dRes vigindarebi imiT pasuxoben,

rom viRacas tons

uwuneben, viRacas ki mosyiduls

eZaxian! es mTavroba amerikelebisadmi

aseTi gzavnilebis gamo

ra fassac gadaixdis, amas

Zalian male naxavs! CvenTvis ki

isaa mniSvnelovani, rom qarTuli

saxelmwifo amisTvis politikur

fass ki ar gadaixdis, aramed

demokratiuli samyarosken

svlas dinjad gaagrZelebs

da 1921 wlis ganmeorebas aicdens!

_ keTili, magram, qalbatono

nestan, sxva ram gkiTxeT,

amitom Cavazusteb: xelisu-

fleba amerikel kongresmenebs

mosyidulebs eZaxis, gubaz sanikiZem

ki aSS-is saelCo ivaniS-

vilis satelefono saubrebis

mosmenaSi daadanaSaula. mar-

Talia, amis gamo bodiSi moix-

ada, magram es, praqtikulad,

SpionaJis braldebaa!

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xelisuflebis cvlileba ver da ar moxdeba!~

_ yvela es politikuri

lideri TqvenTan interviuebSi

gamoizarda da daixvewa. Sesabamisad,

isic kargad iciT, rom

gadacemis bolos an maSin, roca

dro cotaa, raRac sworad Sesa-

Zloa, kargma oratormac ver

Camoayalibos. amitom es politikuri

kritikis sakiTxi ar

unda gamxdariyo _ gubazi erTerTi

gamorCeuli saxe, naTeli

oratori da SeiZleba, sxvebze

metad proamerikelicaa. mokled,

es teqnikuri Secdoma iyo,

rasac gagebiT vekidebi.

_ opoziciaSi arsebul ganx-

eTqilebis niSnebsac „gagebiT

ekidebiT”, qalbatono nestan?

_ ver getyviT, rom am TemebiT

vcxovrob, magram yvelaferi

es, ra Tqma unda, Seim-

Cneva. samwuxarod, Cveni opozicia

xSir SemTxvevaSi mixeil

saakaSvilis politikuri aqtivobebisa

da politikuri wonis

amaradaa darCenili. amitom

Zalian vwuxvar, rom opozicias

2020 wlis mniSvneloba gaazrebuli

ar aqvs.

_ mixeil saakaSvili ra Sua-

Sia?

_ Tu xelisuflebis Secvlaze

vsaubrobT, maSin aq bi-

Zinas, kobaxiZisa da mdinaraZis

gitaraze dakruli simRerebis

mopaeqreebi ar unda viyoT.

_ anu?

_ axla aris dro, roca

qarTuli saxelmwifo demokratiuli

samyaros Tanasworuflebiani

wevri iqneba an Tanamedrove

ruseTis erT-erTi

gubernia. Tu amas qarTul

opoziciaSi vinme acnobierebs,

maSin Zalebis, resursebis, koncefciebisa

da Tundac Crdilovani

kabinetis strategiuli

gaanalizeba sWirdeba! Tu ase

ar moxdeba, maSin opozicia

waagebs da isic unda icodes,

rom is qarTuli saxelmwifos

simbolo araa da qarTuli saxelmwifo

gzas ukve axali

liderebiT gaagrZelebs!

_ qalbatono nestan, konkretulad

mipasuxeT: samarTlianad

geCvenebaT, rom irakli

oqruaSvilma maJoritarobis

kandidatobaze uari gana-

cxada da es maSin, roca igive

bokerias araTu maJoritaro-

bis pretenzia aqvs, aramed igi

imis Tqmasac ar erideba, rom

momavali ministrTa kabinetis

xelmZRvaneli

„evropuli

saqarTvelodan” iyos?

_ irakli oqruaSvilis partiuli

struqtura ar var.

_ es vici, magram ise gekiTx-

ebiT, rogorc damkvirvebelsa

da analitikoss.

_ is, vinc am viTarebaSi

sisustes gamoiCens, rasakvirvelia,

sakuTar Tavs daizianebs!

_ Zalian zogadi naTqvamia.

ufro konkretulad?

_ irakli oqruaSvili

udavod niWieri kacia da visurvebdi,

rom misi gamocdileba

qveyanas moxmardes, magram Tu

am gziT ivlis, mkafiod gamoCn-

àSS mokavSire saxelmwifoa, romelmac Cveni saxelmwifoebriobis

SesanarCuneblad yvelaferi gaakeTa. bolos da bolos, roca puri ar

gvqonda, xorbali mogvca da gadagvarCina. laparaki instituciebis

mSeneblobebsa da qarTuli saxelmwifos Seqmnis SesaZleblobazea. yvelafer

amas dRes vigindarebi imiT pasuxoben, rom viRacas tons uwuneben, viRacas ki

mosyiduls eZaxian! es mTavroba amerikelebisadmi aseTi gzavnilebis gamo ra

fassac gadaixdis, amas Zalian male naxavs! CvenTvis ki isaa mniSvnelovani,

rom qarTuli saxelmwifo amisTvis politikur fass ki ar gadaixdis, aramed

demokratiuli samyarosken svlas dinjad gaagrZelebs da 1921 wlis

ganmeorebas aicdens!~

deba, rom marto darCeba!

_ ras hqvia, „marto darCe-

ba”? imaze xom ar akeTebT

miniSnebas, rom opoziciaSi

„mTavari violino” bokeriaa da

„antiocnebelebs”

TamaSis

wesebs karnaxobs?

_ es bokerias unda hkiTxoT.

saerTod, bokerias bevr mosazrebas,

konceptualur doneze,

rasakvirvelia, ar viziareb,

magram kargi oratoria da Tu

process bokeria xelmZRvanelobs,

es opoziciasTanaa dasazustebeli.

yovel SemTxvevaSi,

amas piradad me, jerjerobiT,

ver gamovkveT, Tumca Cemi sayvareli

Tako Carkvianis gulwrfel

emocias, romelic qaluri

ki ara, namdvilad politikuria,

yovelTvis davafaseb!

_ ise, qalbatono nestan,

arCevnebi xval rom Catardes,

Tqveni SefasebiT, opozicia

moigebs Tu xelisufleba?

_ Zneli saTqmelia.

_ ratom?

_ gaaCnia, arCevnebamde rogor

mivalT. Tu Cems politikur

intuiciasa da logikas gaiTvaliswinebT,

Zalian bevri, vinc

imperatiulad ambobs, es ase da

ase iqnebao, CaiZireba, aseve bevri

sxva amotivtivdeba. mokled,

ivnisi, ivlisi da agvisto bunebrivi

da xelovnuri seleqciebis

periodi iqneba. Cemi informaciiT,

ramdenime ofisi

Sida politikuri dapirispirebebis,

ase vTqvaT, dokumentaciebis

gamofenas amzadebs.

_ anu dapirispireba

opoziciis SigniT mzaddeba?

_ ara.

_ aba?

_ ase vTqvaT, neitraluri

ìrakli oqruaSvili udavod niWieri kacia da

visurvebdi, rom misi gamocdileba qveyanas

moxmardes, magram Tu am gziT ivlis, mkafiod

gamoCndeba, rom marto darCeba!~

damkvirveblebi, Cemi informaciiT,

erTmaneTze Zalian

mniSvnelovan dokumentebs gamoaqveyneben,

maT Soris, korufciis

mimarTulebiT.

mokled, es periodi uaRresad

rTuli im TvalsazrisiT

iqneba, rom, magaliTad, kremli,

romelic am arCevnebs „ocnebis”

mimarTulebiT Caatarebs, sakmaod

saintereso manevrebs gaakeTebs,

raTa opozicia daqsaqsos,

erTmaneTs gadaamteros,

erTmaneTi CaaZirinos da Semdeg

mTel politikur sivrceze

kartblanSi moipovos!

bokeriasac da sxvebsac, romlebic

politikur opoziciaSi

arian, vetyvi: mixeil saakaSvilis

faqtoris gareSe saqarTveloSi

xelisuflebis cvlileba

ver da ar moxdeba! saakaSvilis

faqtoris gareSe arCevnebi,

romelmac vinmes gamarjveba ki

ara, qarTul saxelmwifoSi cvlilebebi

unda moitanos da

saqarTvelo rusul orbitas

mniSvnelovnad unda daacilos,

ar unda Catardes!

_ saakaSvilis faqtors xazs

ratom usvamT?

_ aq pirovneba mixeil saakaSvilze

ki ara, politikossa da

lider saakaSvilzea laparaki,

romelmac zustad icis wamali,

Tu rogor unda daubrundes

saqarTvelo gamarTul saxelmwifoebriobas!

es wamali ki antikorufciuli

politikis dabruneba

da gaZlierebaa. diax,

esaa momakvdavi da korufciaSi

CaZiruli politikuri sistemis

erTaderTi wamali!

Tu es ar moxdeba, maSin 2020

wlis arCevnebis Semdeg miviRebT

150-kacian parlaments,

romelic nebsiT Tu uneblieT

korufciul sistemaze iqneba

mijaWvuli! es saqarTvel-

osTvis kidev axali katastrofa

iqneba. amitom arCevnebis

Semdgomi saqarTvelo swored

am parametrebSi unda iyos

gaazrebuli da ara ise, bokeriaa

„violino” Tu mdinaraZe _

„Conguri”!

_ sxvaTa Soris, opozicia

darwmunebulia, rom 13 kongresmenis

ybadaRebuli angari-

Si ivaniSvilisTvis saerTa-

Soriso sanqciebis dawesebis

vizavia. Tqvenc ase fiqrobT,

qalbatono nestan?

_ saerTod, politikur da

diplomatiur dokumentebs

Taviseburi wakiTxva sWirdeba.

_ anu?

_ ai, magaliTad, roca aSS-is

wina prezidentma barak obamam

saqarTveloSi xelisuflebis

Secvlaze mkafio gancxadeba

gaakeTa, „nacionaluri moZraoba”

da aseve maSindeli opozicia

sxvadasxva Targmanze akeTebda

aqcents.

xalxo, zustad icodeT, rom

mkafiodaa naTqvami: rogorc ki

aSS-is xelisuflebis saTaveSi

sruliad axali msoflmxedvelobis

donald trampi movida,

absoluturad sxva konceptualuri

principebi gamoacxada

da mis sagareo politikaSi

Savi zRviT dainteresebis detalebic

gaCnda. saqarTveloc

swored am interesSi gamoCnda.

amiT ruseTs pirveli dartyma

miadga da es interesi ivaniSvils

mxolod inglisurenovanma

politikosebma da diplomatebma

ki ara, kremlis specwarmomadgenlebmac,

romlebic

masTan muSaoben, gansakuTrebulad

kargad uTargmnes.

yvelafer amis pirveli pasuxi

anakliis winaaRmdeg brZola

galxdaT. mere ki saqarTveloSi

gavrilovi Camoiyvanes

da saqarTvelos parlamentis

darbazSi ruseTis federaciis

droSa aRmarTes!

mokled, tyuilad nu fiqrobT,

rom gzavnilebi, romlebic

aSS-dan modis, winasaarCevnoa!

yvelaferi ukve finaliskenaa

da iseve, rogorc viTom prodasavlur

lider plaxatniuks

aSS-m sanqciebi dauwesa, oligarqati,

maT Soris, ukrainasa

da saqarTveloSic, amasve unda

elodos msgavss!

_ vnaxoT, ra moxdeba _ arCevnebamde

oTxi Tvea darCenili

da yvelaferi male gamoCn-

deba...

_ diax, magram es umZimesi

procesi iqneba, romelic

arCevnebis Semdeg ar dasruldeba!

_ maS, rodis dasruldeba?

_ saqarTveloSi oligarqati

sabolood unda dasruldes!

amas, Cemi azriT, es daqsaqsuli,

savarZlebsa da mandatebze gadagebuli

opozicia ki ara, axali

liderebi gaakeTeben! diax,

es saqarTvelos momavlisTvis

mebrZoli opozicia ar aris!

_ samwuxarod, am niSnebs mec

vxedav...

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òligarqma mSvidobianad unda gadaabaros

wlebis winaT, roca Salva naT-

Sorena marsagiSvili

elaSvilma biZina ivaniSvilisTvis

599 92 16 22

sanqciebis dawesebis aucileblobaze

daiwyo saubari, es sasacil-

od ar eyo rogorc „qarTul ocnebas”, aseve _ opozicias.

bolo periodSi ki yvela mxolod mosalodnel sanqciebze

saubrobs. aSS-is kongresis mier axlaxan gamoqveynebul do-

kumentSi „qarTuli ocnebis” lideri putinis mekavSired da

qarTuli saxelmwifos erT-erT mTavar safrTxed aris gamoy-

vanili. dokuments 13 kongresmeni awers xels. meocnebeebi-

sTvis es dabali rangis dokumentia. opozicia ki ambobs, rom

es vaSingtonis gafrTxilebaa da qarTvelma oligarqma Sesa-

Zloa, moldovel oligarq ploxotniukis bedi gaiziaros.

Secvlis Tu ara kongresme-

nebis momzadebuli dokumenti

saqarTveloSi saarCevno gare-

mos? ratom gauzrdeldnen

„qarTuli ocnebis” wevrebi?

Rirs Tu ara maTi gagzavna vaS-

ingtonSi

molaparakebaze?

gamohkravs Tu ara ivaniSvili

xels sanqciebs? ra bedi eliT

mis Tanapartielebs? _ amis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s leiboris-

tuli partiis wevri, beJan

naTelaSvili esaubreba:

_ amerika sul ufro xSirad

axsenebs biZina ivaniSvilisTvis

sanqciebis dawesebis aucile-

blobas. pirvelad am Temaze

Tqveni partiis liderma, Salva

naTelaSvilma daiwyo laparaki.

is sanqciebze wlebis winaT

amerikel kongresmenebsac es-

aubreboda. maSin es ambavi

saqarTveloSi sasacilod ar

eyoT, axla ki sanqciebi opoz-

iciis mTavari salaparakoa.

_ am Temaze Salva naTelaSvilma

amerikel partniorebTan

muSaoba, jer kidev, 2012 wlidan

daiwyo, rogorc ki rusi oligarqi

daepatrona qveyanas. Cven

maSinve davinaxeT, Tu ra safrTxe

daemuqra saqarTvelos

saxelmwifoebriobas. Salva

naTelaSvili amerikelebs eubneboda,

_ saqarTvelos saTaveSi

movida adamiani, romelic safrTxes

uqmnis ara marto Cvens

qveyanas, aramed Cveni strategiuli

partniorebis interesebsaco.

lamis ar darCa amerikaSi

kongresmeni da senatori, am

Temaze masTan Salva naTelaSvils

rom ar esaubra, rac wlebis

manZilze grZeldeboda.

amerikelebi ucbad arasdros

Rebuloben gadawyvetilebas _

faqtebsa da informaciebs sakuTari

wyaroebiT amowmeben.

Cvens SemTxvevaSic igive moxda.

wlebis manZilze swavlobdnen

Cveni amerikeli megobrebi am

Temas. Seiswavles yvelaferi,

gaerkvnen ivaniSvilis saqmianobaSi,

mis miznebsa da amocanebSi.

amis Semdeg moqmedebis

droc dadga. procesi Seuqcevadia,

didi albaTobiT, ivaniSvili

daisjeba. amerikelebi sanqciebsa

da qonebis dayadaRebaze

gancxadebebs SemTxveviT

arasdros akeTeben.

_ albaT, SemTxveviTi arc

isaa, rom sanqciebze saparlamento

arCevnebis win alaparak-

da amerika.

_ SemTxveviTi ki ara, pirdapir

kavSirSia es gancxadebebi

Cvens saparlamento arCevnebTan,

romelic SemodgomiT unda

Catardes. vaSingtonma amiT biZina

ivaniSvils pirdapir uTxra,

_ ar gabedo da arCevnebi ar gaayalboo!

amerikelebma rus oligarqs

mianiSnes, rom isini mesame

vadiT xelisuflebis saTave-

Si mis mosvlas aRar dauSveben.

_ gayalbebis gareSe Tu moigo

arCevnebi ivaniSvilma, maSinac

ar unda movides mesame va-

diT xelisuflebaSi? vis aqvs

imis ufleba, demokratiul

arCevnebSi

gamarjvebuls

aukrZalos qveynis marTva?

_ gayalbebis gareSe ivaniSvili

arCevnebs ver moigebs, es

gamoricxulia. amerikelebma

Cvenze kargad ician, Tu ra ganwyobaa

xalxSi „qarTuli ocnebis”

mimarT. vaSingtonSi isic

kargad ician, rom biZina ivaniSvilis

mier daqiravebuli

trol-botebi da mediasaSualebebi

dezinformaciis gavrcelebaze

arian gadasuli. maTi erTerTi

mTavari davaleba antidasavluri

ganwyobebis Seqmnaa.

es romeli qveynis interesebSic

Sedis, yvelas kargad moexseneba.

saqarTvelos ganviTarebaSi

amerikam mravali miliardi

Cado. es man imisTvis gaakeTa,

rom Tavisufali da demokratiuli

qveyana gvqonoda, eseni ki

ruseTisken migvaqaneben. amas

amerika da evropa ar dauSvebs

da yvela meqanizmi iqneba gamoyenebuli,

raTa rusma oligarqma

putinis davaleba ver Seasrulos.

is aucileblad miiRebs

sanqciebs. im sanqciebs miiRebs,

romlisac aravis sjeroda. roca

am Temaze daviwyeT saubari,

amerikelebic gakvirvebiT gviyurebdnen.

saqarTveloSi ki

amaze, ubralod, eRimebodaT.

albaT ivaniSvilic ver warmoidgenda,

rom odesme dadgeboda es

dRe. mas Tavisi daqiravebuli

lobistebis imedi hqonda.

_ sanqciebze eRimebodaT im

politikosebsac,

romlebic

axla yvelaze bevrs saubroben

am Temaze.

_ ki batono. isinic icinodnen

im Temaze, vinc axla Cvens

ofisSi dadis opoziciur Sekrebebze.

ras vizamT, Tavidan es

marTlac daujerebeli Canda da

mxolod Cven, leiboristebs

gvjeroda, rom es dro dadgeboda.

axla mxolod erTi nabijia

darCenili.

_ ra nabiji?

_ biZina ivaniSvilma mSvidobianad

unda gadaabaros xelisufleba

axal Zalebs. ramdenime

TveSi saqarTvelos mmarTvelobas

koaliciuri mTavroba aiRebs

xelSi, romelsac arCevnebis

Semdeg parlamentSi gasuli

Zalebi davakompleqtebT. amerika

Tavis qveyanaSic da sxvaganac

xelisuflebis saTaveSi yofnis

or vadas aRiarebs mxolod.

_ xalxs mesame vadiTac Tu

unda?

_ gamoricxulia! demokratiul

qveynebSi rva wlis Semdeg

kargi xelisuflebebic ki

bezrdeba xalxs. Cvens SemTxveva-

Si es namdvilad gamoricxulia.

davakvirdeT uaxles istorias:

SevardnaZem amowura Tu ara meore

vada, uTxres, rom wadio;

igive moxda saakaSvilis SemTxvevaSic

_ is Zalis gamoyenebiT

beJan naTelaSvili:

àxla maszea

damokidebuli, Tu

rogor daasrulebs

politikur

karieras~

da sanqciebiT ar gaugdiaT,

ubralod, arCevnebis gayalbebis

ufleba aRar misces. SevardnaZem

scada arCevnebis gayalbeba

da „vardebis revolucia” miiRo.

minda, Sevaxseno ivaniSvils,

rom SevardnaZe masze gacilebiT

maRla idga, msoflio donis

politikosi iyo da amerikaSi

bevri megobari hyavda, hqonda

didi gavlenebic, magram mas veraferma

uSvela. aqedanac Cans,

rom roca saqme principebs exeba,

amerikelebi idealistebi

xdebian da aqedan gamomdinare

Rebuloben gadawyvetilebebs.

piradi simpaTia-antipaTia ar

ainteresebT. axlac ase moxda _

vaSingtonma wina planze principebi

daayena. gaibrZolebs

ivaniSvili da gariskavs saparlamento

arCevnebis gayalbebas?

_ imaze mets dakargavs, vidre

`Salva naTelaSvilma amerikel partniorebTan

muSaoba, jer kidev, 2012 wlidan daiwyo,

rogorc ki rusi oligarqi daepatrona

qveyanas. Cven maSinve davinaxeT, Tu ra safrTxe

daemuqra saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebriobas.

Salva naTelaSvili amerikelebs eubneboda, -

saqarTvelos saTaveSi movida adamiani,

romelic safrTxes uqmnis ara marto Cvens

qveyanas, aramed Cveni strategiuli

partniorebis interesebsaco. lamis ar darCa

amerikaSi kongresmeni da senatori, am Temaze

masTan Salva naTelaSvils rom ar esaubra,

rac wlebis manZilze grZeldeboda~

romelime oligarqs daukargavs

aqamde. saerTod ufulod dar-

Ceba da mere „qarTuli ocneba”

SeWams mas pirveli.

_ fulze Camovarda saubari

da „qarTul ocnebaSi” fiqroben,

rom „nacionalebma” kon-

gresmenebs fuli gadauxades da

maTac amitom daweres aseTi

dokumentio. amaze ras ityviT?

_ es utopiuri gancxadebaa.

aseTi gancxadebebis avtorebi

persona non-gratad gamocxaddebian.

maT amerikasa da evropaSi

aravin SeuSvebs da iaron

mere moskovebsa da rostovebSi.

aSkaraa, rom amerikeli kongresmenebis

lanZRva daavales „ocnebis”

deputatebs. maTi gancxadebebi

Zalian waagavs erTmaneTs.

ise amazrzenad iqcevian,

veWvob, maT male sakuTar soflebSic

aRar CauSveben. im soflebSi,

saidanac ramdenime wlis

winaT cal-cali „kaloSiT” Camovidnen.

dRes maT sabanko angariSebze

milionebia.

_ axla viRac ityvis, rom

soflelebs ayenebT Seuracxy-

ofas.

_ soflelebs ara, es figuraluri

gamoTqmaa, soflebSi

Zalian Rirseuli adamianebi cxovroben.

me yuradReba gavamaxvile

iqidan wamosul uRirs tipebze,

romlebic xalxisa da biujetis

Zarcvis xarjze gamdidrdnen.

aseTebs, ivaniSvilis

Camocilebis Semdeg, aRarc TbilisSi

daedgomebaT da maT arc

soflebSi SeuSveben.

_ Tqveni azriT, rogor

moiqceva ivaniSvili? wava daT-

mobaze?

_ mas Zalian uyvars fuli da

roca mis kapitals safrTxe eqmneba,

yvelafers akeTebs, rom

qoneba gadaarCinos. darwmunebuli

var, axlac ase moiqceva.

zombebs tyuilad aqvT imis imedi,

rom „qarTuli ocnebis”

lideri maT ahyveba. am kacisTvis

mTavari misi fulia.

_ zombebSi vis gulisxmobT?

_ mdinaraZesa da TalakvaZes,

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xelisufleba axal Zalebs~

kidev kobaxiZes da im qals, xu-

WuWi Tmebi rom aqvs _ Tea wulukians.

zombebi rom ar iyvnen,

aseT gancxadebebs ar gaakeTebdnen.

sul cota xanSi isini cud

dReSi Cavardebian. maTi oligarqi

ganze gadgeba, amaT ki

gasaqcevic ar eqnebaT. dasavle-

Ti TavianT gancxadebebs aafarebs

saxeze. kongresmens qr-

Tamis aRebaSi brals rom dasdeb,

unda icode, rom amas Tu ar

daamtkiceb, mwared mogxvdeba.

arc amaT ascdebaT sila. sila

moxvdebaT rogorc Cveni mosaxleobisgan,

aseve _ dasavleTisgan.

_ kaxa kalaZem Tqva, rom

amerikel kongresmenebs saqar-

Tvelos saSinao saqmeebSi Care-

vis ufleba ar aqvTo. amaze ras

ityviT?

_ kalaZe rom politikaze

daiwyebs saubars, es ukve eris

didi tragediaa. ras niSnavs,

amerika Cvens saqmeebSi ereva?

wlebia, es qveyana gvicavs rusuli

agresiisgan, uamrav sferoSi

dagvexmara. demokratiisken raki

mogviwodes, Cvens saSinao

saqmeebSi Caerivnen? ase Zalian

Tu ar uyvarT amerika, uari Tqvan

amerikul dolarebze, uari

Tqvan evroebze da rusuli rubli

Seagrovon. rubli ar undaT,

radgan amerikuli fuli uyvarT,

evroebic, magram dasavlur

Rirebulebebs ar aRiareben.

maTTvis ideali aris kremli.

dRes saqarTvelo sufTa rusuli

meTodebiT imarTeba da es

moitana „qarTulma ocnebam”.

_ rusul meTodebSi ras

gulisxmobT?

_ ruseTis xelisufleba qveyanaSi

viTarebas kriminaluri

bandebis meSveobiT marTavs. maT

gadanawilebuli aqvT regionebi.

rusuli stilia korufciis

pikur mdgomareobaSi yofna.

CvenTan korufciam ukve piks miaRwia.

Zalian male orlarian

„gaiSnikebsac” miviRebT, oRond

2 laris nacvlad, yovel 100

metrSi, 20 lars gamogvarTmeven.

yvela adamiani fiqrobs amaze da

Zalian awuxebs is, rom aseT qveyanaSi

unda icxovron. saqarTveloSi

prorusuli ganwyobebi

fexs veRar moikidebs. es gamoricxulia.

Tamamad SemiZlia giTxraT,

rom ivaniSvilma omi waago.

_ kongresmenebis Seuracxyo-

fa axseneT da sanam imaT miadg-

ebodnen, „ocnebis” saxeebma op-

ozicias dagiwyes lanZRva, _ xan

goimebi geZaxaT kobaxiZem, xan

_ Zroxebi. gaxariac gamovarda

da toqsikuri opoziciaao.

_ rom giTxraT, maTi aseTi

Sefaseba gagvexarda, marTali ar

viqnebi, magram arc gvwyenia. adamianebma

sakuTari zrdiloba da

inteleqti warmoaCines. isini

zustad ivaniSvilis kulturis

doneSi Tavsdebian. sxvas maTgan

namdvilad ar velodi.

_ ivaniSvilis „kulturis

done” ras niSnavs?

_ omas, rom adamians ori

wignic ki ar aqvs gadaSlili.

`kalaZe rom politikaze daiwyebs saubars, es

ukve eris didi tragediaa. ras niSnavs, amerika

Cvens saqmeebSi ereva? wlebia, es qveyana gvicavs

rusuli agresiisgan, uamrav sferoSi dagvexmara.

demokratiisken raki mogviwodes, Cvens saSinao

saqmeebSi Caerivnen? ase Zalian Tu ar uyvarT

amerika, uari Tqvan amerikul dolarebze, uari

Tqvan evroebze da rusuli rubli Seagrovon~

_ viTom, asea saqme?

_ SeiZleba, mTlad zusti informacia

ar maqvs da mas orze

meti wigni hqondes gadaSlili,

oRond amasac Tavisi meuRle

Slis. Zilis win ukiTxavs xolme

biZinas: aTis naxevridan _ aT

saaTamde.

_ xumrobT?

_ sulac ara. aw gardacvlilma

giorgi Sengelaiam sajarod

ganacxada, rom coli ukiTxavs

biZinas wignebso. amis Sesaxeb

ivaniSvilma Tavad uTxra re-

Jisors. „qarTuli ocnebis”

liderisa da misi bandisgan uzrdeloba

namdvilad ar mikvirs.

amaTgan gasakviri araferia, magram

erTi rame mainc makvirvebs.

_ ra gakvirvebT?

_ is makvirvebs, rom am uwignurebma

im qveyanaSi gaqaCes rva

`SevardnaZem scada arCevnebis gayalbeba da

`vardebis revolucia~ miiRo. minda, Sevaxseno

ivaniSvils, rom SevardnaZe masze gacilebiT maRla

idga, msoflio donis politikosi iyo da

amerikaSi bevri megobari hyavda, hqonda didi

gavlenebic, magram mas veraferma uSvela~

weli, romelsac mmarTvelad didi

daviT aRmaSenebeli hyavda.

_ aRmaSenebeli didebuli

mmarTveli iyo, magram uRirsi

mefeebic bevri gvyavda.

_ uRirsi mmarTvelebi rogor

ar gvyavda, magram maTgan

yvelaze uRirssac ki ar dauqcevia

qveyana ise, rogorc amaT

daaqcies.

_ opoziciis mimarT gan-

sakuTrebuli agresiulobiT

kobaxiZe gamoirCeva. Tqveni

azriT, aseTi gacecxlebuli

ratom aris?

_ simarTle giTxraT, mis

fenomens ver vxsni, namdvilad

gansakuTrebuli movlenaa. siSteresa

da idiotobasac aqvs

raRac sazRvrebi. es axalgazrda

ki yvelanair sazRvrebs ar-

Rvevs. am arsebam yvela wiTeli

xazi gadakveTa. an coli

arafers eubneba, an megobari ar

hyavs? „mxedrionTan” moTanam-

Sromle mamam mainc urCios rame.

_ gia kobaxiZe „mxedrionTan”

ki TanamSromlobda, magram Svilis

msgavsi uzrdelobebi nam-

dvilad ar gamoumJRavnebia.

_ gia uzrdeli ar yofila,

magram es Svili ras daemsgavsa?!

erTi-ori sityva mainc uTxras.

is Zalian cudad daamTavrebs.

gareT veRar gamova saerTod.

biZinas rom uTxran, politikidan

wadi, Torem qonebas

dagiyadaRebTo, wava. misi amfsonebi

sad wavlen, ar vici. faqtobrivad,

ivaniSvilma saerTa-

Soriso damnaSavis statuss

gamohkra xeli. misi bandac am

beds gaiziarebs.

_ Tqveni azriT, ivaniSvili

isev afrens vaSingtonSi de-

sants? sxva dros agzavnida

xolme parlamentis wevrebs mo-

salaparakeblad.

_ ara mgonia. es TamaSi ukve

iTamaSa. gaagzavna erTxel kobaxiZe

da TalakvaZe, magram uaresi

reagireba iyo iqidan.

_ kobaxiZis gagzavna amerika-

Si Zalian sariskoa. SeiZleba,

kongresmenebs dauZabos da sul

goimi Zroxebi eZaxos.

_ kongresmenebisTvis pirSi

ramis Tqmas ver gabedavs, Tumca

maTgan ukve araferi gamikvirdeba.

arc ivaniSvilisgan,

romlis qcevebic aranair logikas

aRar eqvemdebareba. ras izams,

ar vici, magram darwmunebuli

var, misi nebismieri qmedeba

ukan moubrundeba bumerangiviT.

is ramdenjerme ukve wavida

daTmobaze. Tavidan mware uarze

iyo, magram bolos mainc mouwia

politpatimrebis gamoSveba.

_ ugulava da oqruaSvili

gamouSva marto, giorgi rurua

isev cixeSi Catova. arada,

dasavleTi samives ganTavisu-

flebas iTxovda.

_ magis gamoSvebac mouwevs da

„qarTuli ocneba” kidev erTxel

gabanZdeba, rogorc qarTveli

xalxis TvalSi, aseve _ dasavleTis.

„qarTul ocnebasa” da

mis liders ori rame akavebs mxolod:

esaa xalxmravali aqciebi

da dasavluri sanqciebi. am

ukanasknels verc specrazms

daupirispirebs da verc _ zonderebs;

verc Tvalebs dasTxris

vinmes.

_ saqarTvelos ambebze

Zalian aqtiuria xolme adam

kinzingeri. axla, raRac, aRar

Cans da ra xdeba?

_ gamoCndeba, jer sxvebs daaclis.

es procesi ukve Seuqcevadia.

kinzingeri ufro bolo

wams ambobs xolme saTqmels. imedia,

„ocnebaSi” acnobiereben,

Tu ra dros moicala amerikam

CvenTvis.

_ iq dawyebul areulobas

gulisxmobT?

_ diax. aSS-Si jer gaqanebuli

pandemia iyo, roca politpatimrebis

Temaze gamogzavnes

mwvave werilebi. axla aseTi mZime

dro udgaT da saqarTvelo

mainc gaixsenes. kongresmenebis

gamoqveynebul dokumentSi erTi

saintereso detalia: rogorc

wesi, qveynebs uweseben xolme

sanqciebs da maT afrTxileben.

am SemTxvevaSi ara qveyanas, aramed

konkretul pirovnebas daemuqrnen.

amerika qarTvel xalxsa

da mis arCevans pativs scems,

magram sZuls oligarqebi, romlebic

ruseTis davalebebs asruleben.

ivaniSvili politikurad

damTavrebulia. axla

masze bevri ramea damokidebulia.

imedi maqvs, xvdeba, rom

amerikasTan ar gauva da uars

ityvis arCevnebis gayalbebaze.

mTlad ubrZolvelad ar wava.

mcired gafarTxaldeba, rogorc

_ SevardnaZe, magram SevardnaZesaviT

iolad ver gadarCeba.

imas amerikaSi pativs

scemdnen da politikosi iyo. es

ki Cveulebrivi rusi oligarqia.

imedi maqvs, qarTvel xalxs qu-

CaSi gamosvla ar dasWirdeba,

ise mougvareben Cveni dasavleli

partniorebi „ocnebas”.

_ quCaSi gamosvla yvela

SemTxvevaSi mogiwevT. 20 ivniss

apirebT aqcias. mag dRes aqciis

mowyoba Tqveni partiis ini-

ciativa iyo.

_ 20 ivniss rogor ar gamovalT

quCaSi! am dRes saxlSi dar-

Cena da protestis gamouTqmeloba

danaSaulia.

_ kobaxiZem iwinaswarmetyve-

la, _ 200 „naci” iqnebao.

_ Zalian mawuxebs am biWis

momavali. mezoblebic ki aRar

etyvian gamarjobas. misi gulis

gasaxeTqad bevri adamiani mova

aqciaze. mTeli saqarTvelo

unda gamovides. gansakuTrebiT

Tbilisma unda iaqtiuros.

_ Tbilisma ratom?

_ imitom, rom Tbilisi

saqarTvelos gulia. am koronis

gamo gadaadgileba saSiSia da

Tbilisi valdebulia, mTeli

saqarTvelos Tavmoyvareoba daicvas.

20 ivnisis patieba ar Sei-

Zleba! im dRes mTel saqarTvelos

mogvayenes Seuracxyofa.

Seuracxyofa maiyenes saqrTvelos

suverenitets. spikeris savarZelSi

Casves am qveynis damoukideblobis

Ria da gamokveTili

mteri gavrilovi. es iyo

CvenTvis Tavze lafis dasxma. im

xalxma, vinc SarSan 20 ivniss

parlamentis win mivida, es Seuracxyofa

Camogvwminda, magram

maT ra uqnes? _ Tvalebi dasTxares

da sisxlis gubeebi daayenes

rusTavelze. es iyo meore

cxra aprili. ivaniSvilisgan es

mosalodnelic iyo, is xom 1989

wlis 9 aprilis jalaTis, general

lebedis megobari da sponsori

brZandeboda.

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`naxvamdis, biZina, Cven SenTan

bolo dReebia, saqarTveloSi

giorgi abaSiZe

erT-erTi mTavari politikuri

Tema aSS-is kongresis warmomad-

genlobiTi palatis respublikuri partiis wevrebis samuSao

jgufis angariSia, romelsac 13 kongresmeni awers xels da

sadac naTqvamia, rom saqarTveloSi yvelaze mdidari adami-

ani, biZina ivaniSvili, ruseTis propagandis nawilia.

kerZod, angariSSi vkiTxu-

lobT:

„ruseTis mimarT dawesebuli

sanqciebi mis dezinformaciul

kampaniaSi CarTul liderebzec

unda gavrceldes. igive axali sanqciebi

unda iyos gamoyenebuli

saxelmwifos mier mxardaWeril

propagandistebze, rogoric samuSao

jgufs SemoTavazebuli

hqonda CineTis SemTxvevaSi, ker-

Zod, ruseTis propagandis ufrosebze

da aseve ruseTis mokav-

Sireebze sxva qveynebSi, romlebic

putinis sasargeblod moqmedeben.

magaliTad, axali uflebamosilebis

pirobebSi sanqciebi

dawesdeboda vladimer ievtuSenkovze,

rus miliarder oligarqze.

garda amisa, arsebuli sanqciebi

sakmarisad ar exeba putinis sagareo

mokavSireebs, romlebic yofili

sabWoTa kavSiris qveynebis

suverenitets Zirs uTxrian.

biZina ivaniSvili, saqarTvelos

umdidresi adamiani, putinis axlo

mokavSirea da CarTulia saqarTvelos

destabilizaciaSi ruseTis

sasargeblod... garda amisa, saxelmwifo

departamentma unda SeimuSavos

angariSi kremlis kontentTan

dakavSirebul oligarqebze,

romlebic afinanseben ruse-

Tis samxedro agresias mokavSire

da daqiravebuli armiebis saSualebiT.

aseTi angariSi sasargeblo

iqneboda kongresisTvis, raTa

man gansazRvros samomavlo sanqciebi,

rac individebsa da organizaciebs

kremlTan muSaobaze

xels aaRebinebda”.

amas garda, anagariSSi aRniSnulia,

rom aSS da mokavSireebic

ufro da ufro xSirad iyeneben

finansur sanqciebs ruseTis

samxedro agresiis pasuxad da,

rogorc 13 kongresmeni acxadebs,

aseTma sanqciebma SesaZlebelia,

ruseTis agresia SeaCeros da

gaaumjobesos amerikis SeerTebuli

Statebisa da misi mokavSireebis

mdgomareoba da aseTi sanqciebi

unda gamoiyenon ruseTis

agresiis winaaRmdeg ukrainaSi,

baltiispireTis qveynebsa da

saqarTvelos SemTxvevaSi.

zemoxenebuli angariSiT Tu

vimsjelebT, politikuri procesebi

dramatulad unda ganvi-

Tardes.

amaSi eWvi ar epareba arc partia

„kanoni da samarTlis” erTerT

lider irakli Rlonts.

„qronika+” masTan intervius

gTavazobT:

_ irakli, rogor xar, lokdau-

ni rogor gaatare?

_ es ar iyo advili... msoflio

pandemiam kidev erTxel dagvanaxa,

ramdenad mniSvnelovania yvelaze

didi sikeTe _ sicocxle da vfiqrob,

kidev ufro metad dagvafiqra,

ramdenad mniSvnelovania,

rom qveyanaSi gvqondes Zlieri instituciebi,

maT Soris, janmrTelobis

dacvis kuTxiT.

pirvel etapze, Cems gundTan

erTad, antikrizisul gegmaze

vmuSaobdi da 5-punqtiani strategia

SevqmeniT, romelic 20 marts

saqarTvelos mTavrobas oficialurad

SevTavazeT.

_ da „kanoni da samarTlis” 5-

punqtiani strategia rogori

iyo?

_ viTxovdiT: 1. gonivruli vadiT,

yvela administraciuli

saxdelis, maT Soris, sapatrulo

policiis jarimebis gadaxdis gadavadebas;

2. avtosatransporto

saSualebebis teqnikuri daTvalierebis

vadis gadavadebas, raTa

moqalaqeebi ar dajarimebuliyvnen;

3. aRsrulebis erovnuli

biuros mier CaniSnuli RonisZiebebis,

maT Soris, gamosaxlebebis

gadavadebas; 4. turizmis sferos

msgavsad, yvela mewarme subieqtisTvis

sagadasaxado valdebulebis

gadaxdis vadis gadavadebas,

rom mewarmeebs sauravebi ar

daricxodaT; 5. eleqtroenergiis,

bunebrivi airisa da internetprovaiderebTan

konsultaciis

gziT, tarifebis gonivruli vadiT

Semcirebas. anu warmovadgineT

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gonivruli vadiT SemcirebodaT

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daaxloebiT, 40 procentamde gaaiafebda

tarifebs yvela moqalaqisa

da mewarme subieqtisTvis.

_ am xuTi punqtidan mTavro-

bam, praqtikulad, yvela gaiTv-

aliswina, ara?

_ politikuri sakiTxebis garda,

ramdenime megobarma Tanxa

SevagroveT da SevZeliT, rom samasamde

ojaxisTvis sursaT-sanovageze

fiqri erTi TviT Segvemsubuqebina.

SemTxveviT visargebleb

da am adamianebs, gansakuTrebiT

ki Cems emigrant megobrebs _

giorgi kunWuliasa da daTo beselias

_ madlobas gadavuxdi.

amis Semdeg, TiTqmis, erTi Tve

mSobliur mxare guriaSi gavatare

da soflis meurneobiT viyavi

dakavebuli. saerTod, sasoflo

samuSaoebi azartuli da madliani

saqmea da guria TbilisTan ufro

axlos rom iyos, albaT, mTel

guriaSi yvelaze magari baRCabostani

da meurneoba meqneboda!

_ lokdauni nayofierad ga-

mogiyenebia, magram bolo dros

„kanoni da samarTali”, Tu Tako

Carkvianis mier premierad giorgi

vaSaZis kandidaturis dasaxelebas

ar CavTvliT, maincdamainc,

aRar aqtiurobs. xom mS-

vidoba gaqvT?

_ ara.

_ ra ara?

_ vin Tqva, rom ar vaqtiurobT?

pandemiis pirobebSic ki aqtiurebi

viyaviT. amas is xuTpunqtiani

gegmac mowmobs, romelzedac

weRan visaubre. cxadia, TviT-

irakli Rlonti:

`bokerias movuwodeb,

simarTlis gzaze

iaros da putinTan

kolaboraciaSi

myofi oligarqis

wisqvilze nu

daasxams wyals!~

piars ar daviwyeb, magram zrunva

arc eqimebisTvis mogviklia da es

maT kargad ician. ase rom, Cvens

gasakeTebels maqsimaluri mondomebiT

vakeTebT da yovelTvis

ase iqneba.

_ keTili, magram vidre xelisuflebis

plus-minusebze vi-

saubrebT, irakli, miTxari,

opoziciaSi ganxeTqileba xom

araa, anu viRac, magaliTad,

„evropuli saqarTvelo”, xom ar

cdilobs, rom mTeli opozicia

sakuTar dakrulze ataros?

_ ara, es politikuri realobis

ganviTarebaa, rac, vfiqrob,

daiwmindeba...

diax, axla maWris daRvinebis

msgavsi procesis monawileebi

varT da merwmune, naleqi daileqeba,

Cveni xalxi xarisxian Rvinos

miirTmevs! rac Seexeba

„evropul saqarTvelos”, vwuxvar,

magram mis gzas „marTal gzas” ver

vuwodeb, Tumca am gunds aqvs

ufleba, politika ise akeTos,

rogorc surs. es misi pasuxismgebloba

da, vfiqrob, problemacaa.

saerTod, es partia imdenad

masStaburi araa, rom politikur

procesze arsebiTi gavlena iqonios,

Tumca visurvebdi, misma zogierTma

liderma damokidebulebebi

gadaaxalisos, erTianobis

idea adekvaturad Seafasos da

saxelmwifo interesebis mimarTac

meti pativiscema gamoiCinos!

_ anu?

_ Zalian araadekvaturi iyo

giga bokerias gancxadeba, rom

saakaSvili ar da ver iqneba opoziciis

wina xazze. etyoba, gigas

daaviwyda, rom saakaSvili mravali

welia, politikis wina xazzea.

saakaSvili qarTuli politikis

wina xazze uryevad mas Semdegaa,

rac xalxis winaSe, jer kidev, ma-

Sin wardga, roca saqarTvelos

`Tu gadawyvetilebas miviReb, rom romelime

olqSi deputatobis kandidati viyo, merwmune,

amas gundsa da sakuTar xalxTan erTad

ganvaxorcieleb! xalxis azris, anu xalxis

dakveTis gareSe nabijebs arasodes vdgam.

swored axla verkvevi, surs Tu ara Cems

xalxs, rom brZolis am etapzec lider

poziciaze mixilos, Tumca axla saqarTveloSi

mTavari putinis damarcxebaa. parlamenti ki

arsad garbis, arc - mTavroba!~

xelisufleba eduard SevardnaZes

ebara. mravali gamowvevisa da

Ralatis miuxedavad, saakaSvilma

moaxerxa, mTavar politikur aqtorad

darCeniliyo! metic: devnilobis

pirobebSi brZolis asparezi

gaafarTova da 50-mde milioni

adamianis, anu qarTveli da

ukraineli xalxis antisaokupacio-ganmaTavisuflebeli

brZolis

lideris poziciac daikava.

mokled, minda, gigas vuTxra,

rom devnili saakaSvili mxolod

partiuli organizaciebis lideri

ki ara, Cveni xalxis erT-erTi

gamorCeuli da yvelaze reitinguli

msaxuria! Sesabamisad, mis mimarT

arsebuli ndobis xarisxi

bevrad maRalia, vidre gigas warmodgenaSi

arsebuli ramdenime partiis

amomrCevelTa xmebis jami!

aqve, bokeriasa da yvela partias

movuwodeb, rom simarTlis

gzaze viaroT da putinisa da mas-

Tan kolaboraciaSi myofi destabilizaciis

gegmis mqone oligarqis

wisqvils nu davasxamT wyals!

merwmuneT, am wisqvilis qva

Zalian mZimea da uaxloes Tveeb-

Si, roca qarTveli xalxi am

wisqvilisken ruseTidan momaval

wyals oficialurad gadaketavs,

es qva simarTlis Semlaxav yvela

politikoss lodad daawveba!

_ Zalian CaxlarTuli poli-

tikuri metafora gamogivida,

irakli!

_ SeiZleba, magram „evropuli

saqarTvelos”, rogorc Sen ambob,

dakrulze, ar mgonia, rom bevrma

partiam iaros. „evropuli saqar-

Tveloc” dafiqrdeba da qarTvel

xalxTan iTanamSromlebs!

_ aravin icis, momavalSi ra

iqneba. am etapze ki xma dadis,

rom bokerias gundi „ocnebasTan”

farulad TanamSromlobs. am ver-

siisken Senc ixrebi?

_ is kaci ar var, rom vinmeze

faqtebis gareSe visaubro _ amis

uflebas sakuTar Tavs ar vaZlev,

magram giga bokerias gancxadebebi

da nabijebi misdami sazogadoebis

ukmayofilebis safuZveli bevrjer

gamxdara da sruliad kanon-

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saubari davasruleT!~

zomieradac. ar mgonia, „evropuli

saqarTvelos” liderebi

ivaniSvilTan TanamSromloben da

Tu xalxSi damkvidrebul azrs,

rom bokeria ivaniSvilis erTerTi

saimedo dasayrdenia, damajerebel

pasuxs igi qmedebebiT ar

gascems, amiT mniSvnelovan zians

miayenebs mis gverdiT myof sxva

liderebsac! ise, gigasa da ivaniSvilis

alianss ar visurvebdi.

_ ratom?

_ ivaniSvilTan dakavSirebuli

yvela sistema warsulia, rasac

qarTveli xalxi male oficialurad

gavaformebT. amitom bokerias

vurCev, gulwrfelad mxolod

qarTvel xalxTan da saxelmwifo

interesebTan iTanam-

Sromlos!

_ vnaxoT, bokeria am rCevas

gaiTvaliswinebs Tu ara, magram

xom ar elodebi, rom arCevnebis

win „Zala erTobaSia” daiSleba da

amis mizezi e. w. erTiani maJori-

tarebi gaxdebian?

_ weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, is,

rac axla opoziciaSi mimdinareobs,

maWris daRvinebis msgavsi

procesia da ar mgonia, es maWari

Camosaweri gaxdes!

_ ufro konkretulad?

_ mgonia, rom am maWars daRvinebis

perspeqtiva aqvs, Tumca

yvelaferi politikuri subieqtebis

xelSia da Tuki isini keklucsa

da ambiciebze uars ar ityvian,

ar gamovricxav, erT dros yvelaze

saimedo opoziciuri platforma

kiTxvis niSnis qveS dadges.

es ki Zalian cudi iqneba!

rac Seexeba erTiani maJoritarebis

kandidaturebs, aq, mar-

Tlac, qirurgiuli sizustea

saWiro, anu xalxi elodeba, Tu

rogor warvdgebiT mis winaSe.

axla Secdomebis daSvebis dro ar

aris, amas qarTveli xalxi ar gvapatiebs

da marTalic iqneba.

daSlasa da ganadgurebas didi

Zalisxmeva ar sWirdeba _ es xom

ivaniSvilis rusuli destabilizaciis

gegmis nawilia?! sainteresoa

mSenebloba da ganviTareba.

hoda, yvelani erTmaneTs amaSi

SevejibroT. zogadad, araferi

imaleba.

_ ukacravad, es ra SuaSia?

_ arc damSlelebi daimalebian,

radgan yvela politikuri operacia

furclebzec fiqsirdeba,

rac istorias rCeba.

_ saintereso miniSnebas akeTeb...

Seni SefasebiT, enm-m Tbili-

sis 8 olqidan 6 ratom daTmo?

_ gulwrfelad rom giTxra, am

gadawyvetilebis mniSvneloba ar

mesmis da vfiqrob, es naCqarevi

nabiji iyo. am gadawyvetilebis

avtorebma bevri ifiqres. masSi,

albaT, pragmatizmisa da warmatebis

marcvlebic dainaxes, magram

piradad me skeptikurad vuyureb.

_ ise, rogorc vici, Senc

gsurda, rom opoziciis maJoritarobis

erTiani kandidati yo-

filiyavi. irakli, vin da ratom

dagbloka?

_ ui, ar vicodi, Tu dablokili

viyavi. Sen ase fiqrob?

_ ki ar vfiqrob, darwmunebuli

var. yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,

opozicia maJoritarobis

kandidatad irakli oqruaS-

`Zalian araadekvaturi iyo giga bokerias gancxadeba, rom saakaSvili ar da ver

iqneba opoziciis wina xazze. etyoba, gigas daaviwyda, rom saakaSvili mravali

welia, politikis wina xazzea. saakaSvili qarTuli politikis wina xazze uryevad

mas Semdegaa, rac xalxis winaSe, jer kidev, maSin wardga, roca saqarTvelos

xelisufleba eduard SevardnaZes ebara. mravali gamowvevisa da Ralatis

miuxedavad, saakaSvilma moaxerxa, mTavar politikur aqtorad darCeniliyo!~

vils ar asaxelebs da romelime

maJoritarul olqs Sen vin

dagiTmobs?

_ vfiqrob, ase araa.

_ aba, rogoraa?

_ irakli Rlonti 8 welia,

opoziciaSia da misi dablokva

arcTu advilia! ase rom, nu viCqarebT!

_ ki ar vCqarob, ubralod,

faqtebiT vmsjelob!

_ Tu gadawyvetilebas miviReb,

rom romelime olqSi deputatobis

kandidati viyo, merwmune, amas

gundsa da sakuTar xalxTan er-

Tad ganvaxorcieleb! xalxis

azris, anu xalxis dakveTis gareSe

nabijebs arasodes vdgam. swored

axla verkvevi, surs Tu ara Cems

xalxs, rom brZolis am etapzec

lider poziciaze mixilos, Tumca

axla saqarTveloSi mTavari

putinis damarcxebaa. parlamenti

ki arsad garbis, arc _ mTavroba!

hoda, modiT, saerTo mtris _ okupantisa

da masTan kolaboracia-

Si myofi e. w. xelisuflebis

N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.

winaaRmdeg viasparezoT!

_ asea Tu ise, opozicia ekleqturia

_ prorusebi da proevropelebi

erTad sxedan, rac amom-

rCevels abnevs. am fonze,

arCevnebSi „ocnebis” gamarjvebis

Sansi xom izrdeba?

_ romeli Sansis zrdaze mekiTxebi?

qveynis SigniT arsebul

ganwyobebs an qveynis strategiuli

partnioris umwvaves gancxadebebs

ar akvirdebi? rogor fiqrob,

qarTveli xalxi, amerikeli xalxis

mxardaWeriT, saqarTveloSi

putins ver davamarcxebT?

_ erTianobiT yvelaferi Sesa-

Zlebelia, magram irakli, ar dagaviwydes,

rom amerikelebs Tavi-

anTi problemebi aqvT. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, bolo dros okeanis

gaRma movlenebi ise viTardeba,

rom TeTrma saxlma CvenTvis

SesaZloa, veRar moicalos...

_ mesmis da isic gavige, rom

opozicia ekleqturia. Tu vinme

fiqrobs, rom maTTan siamovnebiT

vsaubrob, cdeba.

`kongresmenebis angariSi mniSvnelovani da

useriozulesi dokumentia, romelic

ivaniSvilisa da misi dajgufebis mimarT

amerikeli xalxis undoblobas naTlad

adeklarirebs. magram e. w. mmarTvel gundsa da

putins saqarTveloSi saboloo sityvas

demokrati, mebrZoli da Tavisufali

qarTveli xalxi etyvis!~

_ ver mivxvdi, saubari saiTken

migyavs?..

_ es Tundac ekleqturi opozicia,

saxelmwifo interesebis TvalsazrisiT,

bevrad soliduria,

vidre _ putinis marionetebi oligarqis

diriJorobiT! Cven,

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebma da yvelaze

metad politikosebma,

udidesi Secdoma davuSviT, rom

okupants neba miveciT, raTa

qarTul saxelmwifoSi Tavisi bin-

Zuri da sisxliani xelebi 8 wlis

ganmavlobaSi efaTurebina! merwmuneT,

aRar bnela, ivaniSvil-putinis

tandemi dasrulebulia!

_ am gancxadebis gakeTebis sababs,

albaT, im 13 amerikeli kongresmenis

Sefaseba gaZlevs, rom-

lis Tanaxmadac, ivaniSvili

saqarTveloSi ruseTis sasargeblod

destabilizaciis mcdelo-

baSia mxilebuli, magram zogi

fiqrobs, rom es Sefaseba

mmarTveli gundisTvis ganaCeni

araa. „antiocnebelebi”, ubral-

od, fuW iluziebs iqmniT...

_ is terminebi da Sinaarsic,

romelsac 13 respublikeli kongresmenis

angariSi atarebs, uprecedentoa!

_ damisabuTe, ratom?

_ sxvaTa Soris, ivaniSvilsa da

putinTan erTad, am angariSSi

dasaxelebuli medveCuki, saprezidento

arCevnebis dros, oligarqs

zRvis sanapiroze moskovidan

pirdapiri reisiT farulad ewvia.

raze unda esaubra putinis or

fexs, magaze saubris gaSlas ar

vapireb, magram faqtia: medveCuki

putinis okupaciuri gadawyvetilebebis

aRmasrulebeli da misi

ojaxis naTesavia; amasTan, Cveni

dauZinebeli mteri misi Svilis

naTliaa. mokled, rusi oligarqebi

demokratiisTvis saSiSebi arian!

iyo dro, roca aSS-is prezidents,

saxelmwifo mdivnebsa da

evropis liderebs vmaspinZlobdiT,

axla ki medveCukebi gvstumroben

xolme.

erTi sityviT, kongresmenebis

angariSi mniSvnelovani da useriozulesi

dokumentia, romelic

ivaniSvilisa da misi dajgufebis

mimarT amerikeli xalxis undoblobas

naTlad adeklarirebs. mag-

ram e. w. mmarTvel gundsa da putins

saqarTveloSi saboloo sityvas

demokrati, mebrZoli da Tavisufali

qarTveli xalxi etyvis!

_ saerTod, irakli, xom ar

movida dro, rom yvela Zvelma

saxem, xelisuflebidan iqneba Tu

opoziciidan, sakuTari ambiciebi

moTokos da axalgazrdebs dauT-

mos gza?

_ roca saqme saxelmwifo interesebTan

gvaqvs, ambiciebi axalgazrdebmac

unda moTokon da

Zvelgazrdebmac, magram is, rom

qarTul politikas meti axalgazrda

profesionali lideri da

ruseTTan naklebi Semxeblobis

mqone patrioti adamiani sWirdeba,

es cxadze cxadia da didi xania,

Cveni xalxis dakveTac swored

esaa!

dRes Cven gvaqvs erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebeli

brZolis erTerTi

epizodi, mteri kvlav ruse-

Tia da misi samizne isev saqarTvelo

da qarTveli xalxia, magram

sityvas gaZlevT, rom merab kostavasa

da zviad gamsaxurdias

samSobloSi erovnuli suli ar

Cakvdeba!

_ ho, marTla: irakli kobax-

iZis logikas rom gavyveT, Sen,

rogorc opozicioneri, goimi xar

Tu sveti?

_ irakli kobaxiZe Zalian

mecodeba da masze aRar vbrazdebi!

_ ratom?

_ miuxedavad imisa, rom oligarqma

parlamentis Tavmjdomaris

savarZelSic Casva, am biWma ise

gazrda da Camoyalibeba ver moaxerxa,

rom xalxs am leqsikiT ar

esaubros! mokled, Zalian mecodeba,

codvaa, rom putinis kacis

kacia!

_ „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi me-

same vadiTac rom darCes, aseT

SemTxvevaSi, opoziciis strate-

gia rogori iqneba?

_ „ocneba” dasrulebulia!

_ darwmunebuli xar?

_ diax, xalxis moRalate, gam-

Raribebeli, kriminaluri da korufciuli

sistema dasrulebulia

da amitom momavlis

gamowvevebze visaubroT!

_ gamowvevebze saubris droc

mova, magram opoziciis mTavari

Secdoma is xom araa, rom ugula-

vas, oqruaSvilisa da ruruas

paralelurad, 8 martis SeTanxmebiT

mixeil saakaSvilis politdev-

nilad gamocxadeba ar moiTxova?

_ yvelam viciT, rom saakaSvili

devnili prezidentia, magram male

miiRebs uflebamosilebas, monatrebul

samSobloSi dabrundes.

_ amas ris safuZvelze ambob?

_ sityvas gaZlevT, rom miSa

monatrebul qarTvel xalxs

saqarTveloSi male Sexvdeba.

_ ise, weRan unda mekiTxa da

damaviwyda: „kanoni da samarTlis”

romelime lideri opoz-

iciis proporciul siaSi iqneba

Tu arCevnebze damoukideblad

gamoxvalT?

_ am SekiTxvaze axla ver gipasuxebT,

konsultaciebi mimdinareobs

da yvelani iq viqnebiT, sadac

guli gvikarnaxebs!

_ bolos, irakli, ras etyvi

xalxs, opoziciasa da xelisu-

flebas?

_ naxvamdis, biZina, Cven SenTan

saubari davasruleT!

Cveni, qarTveli xalxis saxeliT,

TqvenTan mxolod kanoni da

reformagavlili, Tavisufali

sasamarTlo isaubrebs!

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8 SeTanxmebuli opoziciuri

kandidati. es niSnavs, rom Tuki

TbilisSi Sedga erToba, faqtobrivad,

es ukve aris momavali koaliciuri

xelisuflebis konturebi.

vinaidan TanamSromloba Sedga

yvelaze mTavar saarCevno olqeb-

Si, anu qveynis dedaqalaqSi, rac ni-

Snavs samomavalo TanamSromlobas

koaliciuri xelisuflebis formirebis

procesSi. es zrdis gamarjvebis

Sansebs. wminda proporciul

arCevnebSi rom xelisufleba

damarcxdeboda, amas yvelanairi

kvlevebi adasturebs, radgan maTi

maqsimaluri Weri TavianTi satelitebian-gayalbebian-mosyidvebianad,

SeiZleba iyos 40%. aqeT rCeba

opoziciuri partiebi, romelTa

gaerTianebis SemTxvevaSi xelisufleba

Seicvleba. did olqebSi TanamSromlobas

imitomac aqvs

datvirTva, _ es aris, amave dros,

imis winapiroba, rom vTqvaT: arasodes

arc erTi opoziciuri partia

umravlesobas ar Seuqmnis

ivaniSvils. Cven axla velodebiT am

procesis bolomde misvlas. Tu

gulaxdilad vityviT, samwuxarod,

gviandeba. Cven vfiqrobdiT, rom es

20 ivnisamde damTavrdeboda, magram,

jerjerobiT, ar gvaqvs

dasasturebuli suraTi imisa, rom

es moxdeba, rac SeiZleba, male. „nacionalurma

moZraobam” ukve gadawyvetilebebi

unda miviRoT regionSi

saarCevno kampaniis gaCaRebis

Sesaxeb. aqedan gamomdinare, molaparakebebis

droSi gawelva gviSlis

xels da gvazianebs, radgan

erTia, roca SeTanxmeba Sedgeba da

TbilisSi Cveni mxolod ori

lideri iqneba da eqvsi regionSi

wava, meorea, rodesac iZulebuli

xdebi, 8 olqSi daayeno 8 lideri.

bunebrivia, am SemTxvevaSi regionebs

akldeba maJoritaruli resursi.

ase rom, rac ufro swrafad

SevTanxmdebiT opoziciur speqtr-

Si, miT ukeTesi. Tanac, aravin

daobda imaze, rom „nacionalur

moZraobas”, Tbilisis maJoritarul

olqSi, sul mcire, sami

adgili mainc unda hqonoda, _ 2018

wlis saprezidento arCevnebSi „nacionalurma

moZraobam” pirvel

turSi yvela didi qalaqi moigo.

Tbilisis 8 olqidan 4-Si rom moeTxova

„nacionalur moZraobas”

Tavisi kandidatebis dayeneba, es

sruliad bunebrivi iqneboda, magram

Cven oTxis nacvlad sami moviTxoveT

da es dadebiTad miiRes,

Semdeg uprecedento SeTavazeba

gavakeTeT erTaderTi mizniT, rom

am gaerTianebas, maSin aqvs azri, Tu

masSi yvela is opoziciuri Zala

moiyris Tavs, romelsac maRali

reitingi aqvs da romelTa gaer-

Tianebis SemTxvevaSic pirvelive

turSi SesaZlebelia Tbilisis

mogeba. rac Seexeba imas, Tu vin

unda moiazrebodes am SeTanxmeba-

Si, ra Tqma unda, yvela politikuri

partia, maT Soris, „leloc”

da aleko elisaSvili, romelmac

Tbilisis meris arCevnebSi meore

adgili aiRo, mas TbilisSi maRali

reitingi aqvs. amasTanave, sxva partiebic,

rogorebic arian: leiboristuli

partia, „evropuli

saqarTvelo” da a. S. aseve is partiebi,

romlebic TbilisSi ar ayeneben

sakuTar kandidats, esec

TanamSromlobis erT-erTi formaa:

rodesac irakli oqruaSvili

ambobs, rom is ar daayenebs saku-

Tar kandidaturas, es niSnavs, rom

is TbilisSi wamowyebuli didi

koaliciuri brZolis monawile

xdeba.

_ Tqven araerTxel aRniSneT,

rom saerTo kandidatebze mola-

prakebis procesi droSi iweleba.

ramdenad didia imis albaToba,

rom es molaparakeba ver Sedges?

gasaTvaliswinebelia, rom TbilisSi,

8 olqidan 2-Si, „nacionaluri

moZraobis” kandidati iqne-

ba, rCeba 6 olqi da 31 partia.

_ Zalian bevrma partiam ganacxada,

rom TbilisSi ar daayenebs

kandidats, magaliTad: „respublikurma

partiam”, „girCma” Tqva,

rom vakeSi ar daayenebs sakuTar

kandidaturas, irakli oqruaSvilma

sakuTari Tavi ar wamoayena,

aseve SeiZleba, leiboristul partias

ufro meti kandidatis dayenebis

survili hqonoda, magram

Tqves, rom erT kandidats daayeneben.

ase rom, bevrma partiam mimarTa

TviTSezRudvis meTods. es

aris TanamSromlobis forma. TbilisSi

mTavari eleqtoraluri

wona aqvs „nacionalur moZraobas”,

„evropul saqarTvelos”, „lelos”

da elisaSvilis partias. axla yvelaferi

damokidebulia ZiriTad

partiebze, pirvel rigSi, „lelosa”

da elisaSvilze. isini Tu calke

wavidnen, Zneli iqneba SeTanxmebis

miRweva.

_ aseT SemTxvevaSi isini ivaniS-

vilis TamaSs iTamaSeben?

_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, es Zalian

roman gociriZe:

`Zalian mniSvnelovania patara partiebis

roli, radgan bevri partiaa, romelsac

erTprocentiani barieris gadalaxvis Sansi

aqvs. albaT, 12-mde partia iqneba parlamentSi

da bunebrivia, rom patara partiebi SedarebiT

mcired iqnebian warmodgenili, magram

ramdenime deputatma SeiZleba gadawyvitos

momavali xelisuflebis bedi. amitom patara

partiebis yofna leiboristuli partiis

ofisis magidis irgvliv mniSvnelovani

faqtoria, isinic Rirebul nawils

warmoadgenen. anu opoziciis mizani ivaniSvilis

reJimis demontaJia, amitom yvela unda wavides

daTmobaze. mas Semdeg, ra nabijic ukve

gadavdgiT, Cveni qmedebebis gulwrfelobaSi

arc erT partias ar epareba eWvi~

òpoziciis

mizani

ivaniSvilis

reJimis

demontaJia~

daasustebs opoziciur partiebs

da aucileblad iqneba meore turi

rvave olqSi, im SemTxvevaSi, Tu

opoziciis didi gaerTianeba ver

Sedga. rodesac proporciul

arCevnebSi opoziciis jamuri xmebi

metia da, amave dros, opozicias

ramdenime maJoritaruli olqi

mogebuli aqvs, faqtobrivad, meore

turSi ukve mTavrobis portreti

Cans gamarjvebuli. meore

turi aucileblad opoziciuri

koaliciis sasargeblod warimarTeba.

Tu opoziciis SeTanxmeba

ver Sedga TbilisSi erTian ma-

Joritarul kandidatebze, bunebrivia,

ufro rTuldeba procesi,

vinaidan erTmaneTis konkurentebi

vxdebiT. „lelo” ambobs, rom

garkveul gamonaklisebs dauSveben

maJoritar kandidatebTan dakav-

SirebiT. Tu isini am gamonaklisSi

gulisxmoben, rom Tbilisis 8 olqidan

mxolod orSi daayeneben kandidaturas

da iq aravin gauwevs

maT rekomendacias, es, faqtobrivad,

gaerTianebis pirveli monaxazia.

anu Cven varT TbilisSi partniorebi,

regionebSi konkurentebi

da mTavrobaSi koaliciuri umravlesobis

wevrebi.

_ „Cven varT TbilisSi partniorebi,

regionebSi konkurente-

bi da mTavrobaSi koaliciuri

umravlesobis wevrebi”, _ es xom

ar daabnevs amomrCevels? rogor

apirebT, maT es auxsnaT?

_ ra Tqma unda, rTulia. jer

Tbilisis 8 ubanSi SeTanxmeba ar

aris miRweuli. Tqven warmoidgineT,

ra moxdeba darCenil 22 uban-

Si, rodesac sxvadasxva politikuri

interesia da nu dagvaviwydeba

isic, rom Cven Cvens proporciul

siaze vfiqrobT. rodesac ar

gyavs sakuTari maJoritari olqeb-

Si, es proporciul sias Zalian

azianebs, amitom orive mxare unda

ganvixiloT, dadebiTic da uaryofiTic.

Cven axla unda gadavdoT

yvela sakiTxi, romelic erTmaneTs

gvaSorebs da unda davideT mxolod

im sakiTxebamde, romelic

erTmaneTs gvaaxlovebs, Torem

opoziciur partiebs Zalian bevri

ram gvaSorebs erTmaneTan:

ideologiuri mimarTuleba, politikuri

warsuli, personaliebis

urTierToba, saSinao Tu sagareo

politikis niuansebi da a. S. amitom

raSic gansxvavebi gvaqvs, gverdiT

unda gadavdoT da rac gvaer-

Tianebs, imis irgvliv unda vkoncentrirdeT.

dRes Cven gvaer-

Tianebs am xelisuflebis Secvlis

gulwrfeli survili. qveyana 8

weli stagnaciaSi iyo da ver

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brZolis wina xazze~

gauZlebs kidev oTx weliwads am

xelisuflebis mmarTvelobis

pirobebSi, maT Soris, sasicocxlo

problemebi Seeqmneba adamianebsac.

ivaniSvili rom darCes xelisuflebaSi,

kvlav daiwyeba politikuri

devna xazaraZe-jaafaraZis,

wereTlis, aseve gagrZeldeba devna

nika melias, nika gvaramias

winaaRmdeg. xelisuflebaSi mobrunebuli

da oTx weliwad garantirebuli

ivaniSvili ramden

sisuleles Caidens, aravin icis. ase

rom, opoziciur speqtrSi bevri

gansxvavebaa, magram aris interes-

Ta Tanxvedrac, mTavari Tanxvedra

ki is aris, rom saqarTveloSi Seicvalos

xelisufleba. „nacionalur

moZraobas” ar aqvs iluzia,

rom 51%-s aiRebs da TviTon daakompleqtebs

mTavrobas. arc erT

partias ar aqvs imis iluzia, rom

marto mova xelisuflebaSi. Zalian

mniSvnelovania patara partiebis

roli, radgan bevri partiaa,

romelsac erTprocentiani barieris

gadalaxvis Sansi aqvs. albaT,

12-mde partia iqneba parlamentSi

da bunebrivia, rom patara partiebi

SedarebiT mcired iqnebian warmodgenili,

magram ramdenime deputatma

SeiZleba gadawyvitos momavali

xelisuflebis bedi. amitom

patara partiebis yofna leiboristuli

partiis ofisis magidis

irgvliv mniSvnelovani faqtoria,

isinic Rirebul nawils warmoadgenen.

anu opoziciis mizani

ivaniSvilis reJimis demontaJia,

amitom yvela unda wavides daTmobaze.

mas Semdeg, ra nabijic ukve

gadavdgiT, Cveni qmedebebis gulwrfelobaSi

arc erT partias ar

epareba eWvi.

_ rogorc vatyob, TbilisSi

erTian kandidatebze opoziciur

SeTanxmebasTan dakavSirebiT skep-

tikurad xarT ganwyobili?

_ dro iweleba, _ es aris cudi.

droSi sakiTxis gawelva niSnavs

skeptikuri notebis Setanas. amitom

politikuri partiebi am eqvs

adgilze rac ufro swrafad Camoyalibdebian,

miT ukeTesi iqneba

procesisTvis. vinaidan „qarTuli

ocneba”, pandemiis dawyebis pirvelive

dRidan, gaqanebul saarCevno

kampaniaSia, Cvenc unda gamovacocxloT

saarCevno kampania da

pirvel rigSi gavideT regionebSi.

vimedovneb, 6 kandidatze, rac Sei-

Zleba, swrafad CamovyalibdebiT.

_ sanam opozicia Tbilisis kan-

didatebze SeTanxmebas cdilobs,

giorgi rurua isev cixeSia da

sakonstitucio

cvlilebebSi

opozicia ar monawileobs. xedavT

Tu ara imis risks, rom es cvlilebebi

mmarTvelma gundma meored

Caagdos da opozicias Seg-

awmindoT xeli?

_ ivaniSvili saerTaSoriso zewolas

ver gauZlebs, gansakuTrebiT,

bolos gakeTebuli 13 kongresmenis

gancxadebis Semdeg.

ivaniSvilma meorejerac rom

moatyuos saerTaSoriso partniorebi

da sakuTari amomrCeveli,

maSin mas yvelaferi CamoeSleba.

mas ver eqneba argumenti, rom

opoziciam ar miviReT monawileoba

da amitom Cavarda cvlilebebi,

radgan mas hyofnis xmebi, Tuki

„qarTuli ocneba” mTlianad mis-

`jarimebi SemoiRes pirbadeebis tarebaze da bunebrivia, vemxrobiT - 20 laris

odenobiT jarima optimaluria, oRond jer Tavad xelisuflebam ise unda

moawyos, rom transportSi distancirebis wesebi iyos daculi. davakvirdeT

ucxoeTs: matarebelSi erTi adgili gauqmebulia, meoreze - sxedan~

N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.

cems xmas. aseve viciT, rom „qarTuli

ocnebidan” gamoyofili partiebi

sakonstitucio cvlilebebs

mxars uWeren. amitom xmis problema

ar aris, Tu Tavad ar gaiTamaSa

raRac triuki, rogorc ambobs

xolme. cvlilebebis Cavardnas

moyveba seriozuli problemebi,

maT Soris, arCevnebis legitimaciasTan

dakavSirebiT. ivaniSvilis

winaaRmdeg daiwyeba personaluri

sanqciebi, rogorc saerTaSoriso

partniorebis meorejer momtyueblis

mimarT. am SemTxvevaSi mxolod

amerikis mTavroba ar aris,

arian evrokavSiris qveynebi, romlebic

8 martis SeTanxmebaSi monawileobdnen.

molaparakebis proces-

Si evrokavSiris elCis monawileoba

evrokavSiris yvela qveynis piriT

saubars niSnavs. am SeTanxmeba-

Si monawileobda mTeli dasavluri

samyaro, romelic gvexmareba. mxolod

amerikam 3 miliard-naxevari

Cado saqarTvelos demokratiaSi

da qveynis damoukideblobis SenarCunebaSi;

evrokavSiridan daxmarebis

saxiT 5 miliardi lari

wels Semovida. imitom ki ar gvexmarebian,

rom Cvens qveyanaSi avtoritaruli

reJimi iyos da putinis

megobari marTavdes qveyanas.

ivaniSvilis msgavs oligarqebs ra

mosdiT, es vnaxeT moldovaSi. ivaniSvili

daTvlis yvelafers. albaT,

mas sawolis Tavze plaxatniukis

suraTi ukidia da yovel Rame esizmreba

igi. ar mgonia, rom sakonstitucio

cvlilebebi Caagdos.

_ amis paralelurad, mesame

prezidentisgan urTierTgamom-

ricxav gancxadebebs vismenT: 2

kviris win man Tqva, rom qarTuli

politikisTvis ar ecleboda,

gasul kviras ki gvamcno, rom

brZolis wina xazze iqneba. es xom

ar azianebs „nacionalur moZr-

aobas”?

_ mixeil saakaSvilis gancxadeba

„qarTulma ocnebam”, lamis, Seuracxyofad

miiRo da suleluri

Jriamuli atexa. Tavdapirvelad,

elCic ki gamoiTxoves, TiTqosda

mixeil saakaSvili pirvelad iniS-

àravis moewoneboda, rom ukrainis elCi

daibares da man Tavslafi daasxa saqarTvelos

xelisuflebas, Tqva, rom saakaSvili aris

qarTveli, sadac ar unda iyos is - ukrainasa

Tu amerikaSi, saakaSvili Tavisi cxovrebiTa da

msoflmxedvelobiT mudam darCeba qarTvelad.

ubralod elCs ar hqonda imis politikuri

ufleba, rom eTqva: saakaSvili mudam iqneba

saqarTveloSi politikuri faqtorio~

nebodes politikur Tanamdebobaze.

is odesis gubernatori iyo,

yvelas gvaxsovs. magram, amjerad,

saqarTvelos xelisuflebam Sansi

ar gauSva, putinisTvis ar eCvenebina,

rom mas cudi damokidebuleba

aqvs ukrainasTan. rodesac mixeil

saakaSvili ar iyo ukrainis xelisuflebaSi

da is poroSenkos

mier usamarTlod idevneboda, moqalaqeobac

CamorTmeuli hqonda,

im periodSic ki araferi gakeTebula

ukrainul-qarTuli urTier-

Tobis dasaTbobad. faqtobrivad,

aravis moewoneboda, rom ukrainis

elCi daibares da man Tavslafi

daasxa saqarTvelos xelisuflebas,

Tqva, rom saakaSvili aris

qarTveli, sadac ar unda iyos is _

ukrainasa Tu amerikaSi, saakaSvili

Tavisi cxovrebiTa da msoflmxedvelobiT

mudam darCeba qarTvelad.

ubralod elCs ar hqonda imis

politikuri ufleba, rom eTqva:

saakaSvili mudam iqneba saqarTveloSi

politikuri faqtorio. es ar

uTqvams, magram misi yvela gamonaTqvami

imas niSnavda, rom SeeSviT

am xtunaobas, mixeil saakaSvili

saqarTveloSi aris da mudam dar-

Ceba erT-erT mTavar politikur

faqtorad. rodesac saakaSvilma

Tqva, rom qarTuli politikisTvis

ar ecleba, es imas niSnavs, rom mas

dauRalavi Sroma aqvs gasawevi

ukrainaSi.

_ brZolis wina xazze yofna

virtualur sivrceSi TveSi orjer

gancxadebis gakeTebiT Semoi-

fargleba?

_ saakaSvili aris „nacionaluri

moZraobis” sapatio Tavmjdomare.

mas hyavs personaluri mxardamWerebi,

rogorc „nacionaluri

moZraobis” Semqmnels da aseve

rogorc piradad mixeil saakaSvils.

msoflio politikuri Tama-

Sis wesebi aseTia, rom nebismier

politikoss aqvs ufleba, Seafasos

sxva qveyanaSi mimdinare movlenebi.

rodesac evroparlamentis

wevrebi akritikeben saqarTvelos

mTavrobas, rodesac amerikis kongresis

wevrebi ivaniSvils uwodeben

ruseTis mokavSires da destabilizaciis

faqtors, ratom ar

unda hqondeT igives Tqmis ufleba

ukrainel politikosebs?

_ „evropuli saqarTvelos”

liderebi acxadeben, rom brZolis

wina xazze distanciurad ver

iqneba saakaSvili, rom brZolis

wina xazze axla is adamianebi ari-

an, romlebic daakaves, romlebic

saqarTveloSi aqtiuroben. ras

upasuxebT maT?

_ brZolis wina xazi yovelTvis

niSnavs imas, Tu ramdenad giWiravs

Sens qveyanaSi arsebul politikur

pulsze xeli da Seni sityva ramdenad

wonadia ivaniSvilis oligarqiuli

xelisuflebis Sesacvlelad.

saakaSvili ver Camova da

rusTavelis gamzirze ver dadgeba,

amitom brZolis wina xazi ar

unda ganvixiloT fizikuri mdgomareobiT.

TbilisSi vinc arian,

Turme isini yofilan brZolis wina

xazze, vinaidan kancelariasTan da

SuSis sasaxlesTan axlos dganan,

saakaSvili ki, romelic 2000 km.-is

moSorebiTaa, Turme ar yofila

brZolis wina xazi. mixeil saakaSvili

mTeli am drois ganmavloba-

Si yovelTvis iyo wina xazze, yoveli

arCevebis win, maT Soris, saprezidento

arCevnebze da axlac,

cnobilia misi ivaniSvilis xelisuflebis

demontaJis survili, misi

gavlenebi, gancxadebebi, romelsac

mxolod saqarTveloSi ar usmenen,

mas usmenen evropaSi, amerikaSi, is

regionuli masStabis politikuri

figuraa. saakaSvili ambobs, rom

ivaniSvili destabilizaciis wyaroa,

rom man miitaca xelisufleba,

rom ivaniSvili putinis kacia,

imaves ambobs amerikis 170-ze meti

kongresmenis mier Seqmnili dokumenti,

romelic 13-ma kacma Seqmna,

Tumca iziarebs 170. rasac saakaSvili

ambobs, imisgan raime gansxvavebuls

ambobs amerikis mmarTveli

partiis saparlamento nawili?!

amitom saakaSvilis pozicia brZolis

wina xazze dgomaa. brZola

mxolod mitingze dgoma araa.

_ arc mxolod feisbuqze

laivebis CarTvaa...

_ deputatebi vibrZviT parlamentSic

da brZolis erT-erTi

nairsaxeobaa parlamentSi xelisuflebis

mxileba, maTi garkveuli

moqmedebebis dablokva, aseve brZolis

nairsaxeobaa isic, rom gamovediT

da vTqviT: socialuri gadasaxadebi

Zalian mZimea. rodesac

xalxi sagangebo mdgomareobis

dros gamoketilia, am zewolam

gaWra. axla ki jarimebi SemoiRes

pirbadeebis tarebaze da bunebrivia,

vemxrobiT _ 20 laris odenobiT

jarima optimaluria, oRond

jer Tavad xelisuflebam ise unda

moawyos, rom transportSi distancirebis

wesebi iyos daculi. davakvirdeT

ucxoeTs: matarebelSi

erTi adgili gauqmebulia, meoreze

_ sxedan. garda amisa, xelisuflebas

movuwodeT, rom sanam vinmes

daajarimebs, gaiTvaliswinos, rom

erTi pirbade Rirs erTi puris

fasi, mravaljeradi gamoyenebis ki

_ 10 puris fasi. amitom keTili

inebon da gaWirvebul adamianebs

uyidon, maSin, roca 5 miliardi sagareo

vali aqvT aRebuli, 1 milioni

amaze daxarjon, _ am nawil-

Sic iZulebulebi gaxdnen, angari-

Si gaewiaT. es aris brZola. brZolis

wina xazze dgomaa Cemi interviu

TqvenTan, romelsac aTi aTasobiT

adamiani waikiTxavs, rogorc

nabeWdi formiT, aseve _ internet-

Si. ase rom, simboluri gamoTqmaa

brZolis wina xazze dgoma da diax,

saakaSvili iyo da darCeba brZolis

wina xazze da is iqneba pozitiuri

faqtori arCevnebis procesSi.

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SeZlebs Tu ara opozicia erTobis

SenarCunebas? unda Tu ara premieroba

vaSaZes? ratom uTvlian axalgazr-

da reformators mTavar codvad, rom

vano CxartiSvili misi meuRlis naTesavia?

ratom aris 20 ivniss aqciis Catareba

saWiro da raze metyvelebs „qa-

rTuli ocnebis” reaqciebi? ras moas-

wavebs amerikeli kongresmenebis mier

Sedgenili dokumenti? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~-s giorgi vaSaZe

esaubreba:

_ batono giorgi, rogorc amboben,

opozicia 20 ivnisis aqciaze daasaxelebs

Tbilisis maJoritarobis kandi-

datebs. maTi SerCeva, rogorc amboben,

mZimed midis da es ganxeTqilebiT xom

ar dasruldeba?

_ politikaSi Cemi mosvlis dRidan

erTianobis, Zalebis konsolidirebis

momxre var, radgan zustad vici, _ is

energia, rasac erTmaneTis kinklaobasa

da dapirispirebaSi vxarjavT, unda mivmarToT

aRmSeneblobisken, sxvanairad

qveyana ver ganviTardeba. ar vfiqrob,

rom gansakuTrebuli sirTuliT mimdinareobs

saerTo maJoritari kandidatebis

SerCeva. bunebrivia, aris azr-

Ta sxvadasxvaoba, rac demokratiisa da

mravalferovnebis niSania, magram Tuki

vinme Seecdeba procesis sakuTar Tavze

morgebas saerTo interesebis zianis

xarjze, ra Tqma unda, amaze reaqcia

gveqneba. me viyavi da vrCebi Zalebis er-

Tianobisa da konsolidirebis momxre,

ra Tqma unda, im pirobiT da im xalx-

Tan, visac igive survili aqvs.

_ didi uTanxmoebis mizezi gaxda

premieris kandidaturis SerCevac.

Tako Carkvianma Tqva, rom Tqven unda

iyoT premieri. amaze ras gvetyviT,

ganixileboda Tu ara es sakiTxi? da

ratom moyva Carkvianis iniciativas

amxela ambavi?

_ araerTxel vTqvi da gavimeoreb:

mTavaria ara is, ra unda giorgi vaSaZes

an romelime partias, aramed _ ra

sWirdeba saqarTvelos da qarTvel

xalxs. me am principidan gamomdinare

viReb yovelTvis gadawyvetilebas da es

veranairad gaxdeba partniorebs Soris

uTanxmoebis safuZveli. didi madloba

qalbaton Tako Carkviansa da sxva partniorebs

am iniciativisTvis. es sakiTxi,

am etapze, ar dgas dRis wesrigSi da

roca amis dro dadgeba, Sevecdebi, gamarjvebisa

da ukeTesi Sedegis miRwevis

interesebidan gamomdinare, davayeno

premierobis kandidatis dasaxelebis

sakiTxi.

_ Tqven winaaRmdeg mTavar kompromatad

gamoiyenes, rom vano CxartiSvi-

lis siZe xarT. aqamde ar icodnen es

ambavi? ra uTierToba gaqvT CxartiS-

vilTan?

_ mimaCnia, rom ara marto pasuxebSi

mJRavndeba adamianis raoba, aramed _

kiTxvebSic. is adamianebi, romlebic ase

ayeneben sakiTxs da Tqven amaSi ar ggulisxmobT,

uneblieT amJRavneben saku-

Tar sisustes da ara giorgi vaSaZis,

rom mdidari naTesavis gamo maT Seu-

ZliaT uari Tqvan principebze, simarTlisTvis

brZolasa da, zogadad, im

ideaze, risTvisac ibrZvi mTeli Segnebuli

cxovrebis ganmavlobaSi.

pirdapir SemiZlia vTqva: msgavsi

gancxadebebi metyvelebs, rom is adamianebi,

romlebic ase saubroben, saer-

Tod ar icnoben giorgi vaSaZes da hgoniaT,

rom colis dedis Zmis gamo uars

ityvis samarTlian brZolaze da raime

saxis kompromisze wava ivaniSvilTan

brZolaSi. metic: amayi var, rom mxolod

am ojaxur e. w. kompromats iyeneben Cem

winaaRmdeg, radgan realuri sxva faqti

bunebaSi ar arsebobs da amis naTeli

dadasturebaa mTeli Cemi cxovrebis

ganvlili periodi, Tundac 2018 wlis

saprezidento arCevnebi, roca me viyavi

grigol vaSaZisa da gaerTianebuli

opoziciis saarCevno Stabis xelmZRvaneli

da ukompromiso mebrZoli biZina

ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg. Sesabamisad,

arc me da arc Cemi gundis wevrebs msgavsi

gancxadebebis gakeTebis aranairi

safuZveli ar migvicia partniorebisTvis

da kolegebisTvis.

gaerTianebuli opozicia „Zala er-

TobaSias” Seqmnis erT-erTi iniciatori

me gaxlavarT mixeil saakaSvilTan er-

Tad da mimaCnia, rom 2012 wlis Semdeg

es aris yvelaze warmatebuli opoziciuri

gaerTianeba da 2018 wlis saprezidento

arCevnebi iyo erT-erTi warmatebuli.

swored Cvens erTianobaSia gamarjvebis

formula da vinc Crdils ayenebs

am erTianobas an sasargeblo idiotia

da ar esmis „Zala erTobaSias”

principi, an mizanmimarTulad Tess

ganxeTqilebasa da areulobas, rac,

saerTo jamSi, yvelas gvazianebs.

_ davubrundeT 20 ivniss: xelisu-

fleba acxadebs, rom am dRes aqciis

CatarebiT saxelmwifoze apirebT ga-

laSqrebas.

_ es „qarTuli ocnebis” brZolis

taqtikaa, TavisuflebisTvis mebrZoli

adamianebi gamoacxados damnaSaveebad,

kriminalebad, xolo gavrilovis msgavsi

saqarTvelos mtrebi warmoaCinos mSvidobismyofel

megobrebad.

swored okupant saxelmwifosTan kapitulanturma

damokidebulebam gamoiwvia

20 ivniss Cveni moqalaqeebis aRSfoTeba.

CemTvis kategoriulad miuRebelia

maTi damnaSaveebad gamocxadeba.

axla rac Seexeba 2020 wlis 20 ivniss:

es iqneba xelisuflebisTvis imis Sexseneba,

rom Rirseba da Tavisufleba xelSeuvalia

da sakuTar moqalaqeebze Zaladoba

dasjadi, miutevebeli qmedebaa.

_ opoziciaSi arsebuli dapiri-

spireba, romelsac es ukanaskneli ar

aRiarebs, amomrCevels xom ar da-

gakargvinebT? xelisufleba elodeba,

rom Tqvens flangze didi garToba

iqneba.

_ opoziciis erTianobam ukve garkveuli

Sedegebi mogvca, rogorc qveynis

SigniT, ise _ saerTaSoriso asparezze.

xelisuflebas mouwia kompromisi sakonstitucio

cvlilebebis nawilSi,

proporciul sistemasTan da politpatimrebTan

dakavSirebiT, Tumca esec

bolomdea misayvani, vgulisxmob giorgi

ruruas ganTavisuflebis sakiTxs.

swored Cveni erTianobaa is modeli,

rac aiZulebs xelisuflebas kompromisebsa

da daTmobebze wasvlas. bunebrivia,

ivaniSvilis interesia disonansi,

ganxeTqileba opoziciaSi da dRes

giorgi vaSaZe:

`20 ivniss xelisuflebas

SevaxsenebT, rom Rirseba da

Tavisufleba xelSeuvalia~

arsebuli realoba _ „yvela biZina ivaniSvilis

winaaRmdeg”, Secvalos realobiT

_ „yvela yvelas winaaRmdeg”, ra-

Sic gaerTianebuli opozicia da giorgi

vaSaZe, ra Tqma unda, monawileobas

ar miiRebs. piriqiT, me yvelafers gavakeTeb,

rom araTu gaerTianebuli opozicia

„Zala erTobaSia” SenarCundes,

aramed igi gamsxvildes da gaZlierdes.

kongresmenebis gancxadebac pirdapir

miuTiTebs, rom civilizebulma,

Tavisufalma samyarom biZina ivaniSvils

ganaCeni gamoutana,

xolo saboloo ganaCeni unda gamovitanoT

Cven, saqarTvelos moqalaqeebma

31 oqtombers, romelic sinamdvile-

Si iqneba referendumi. virCevT dasavleTs,

Tavisuflebas, ganviTarebas Tu

ruseTs, totalitarizmsa da WaobSi

lpobas?!

Zala erTobaSia! saqarTvelo gaimarjvebs!

`gaerTianebuli opozicia `Zala erTobaSias~ Seqmnis erT-erTi

iniciatori me gaxlavarT mixeil saakaSvilTan erTad da

mimaCnia, rom 2012 wlis Semdeg es aris yvelaze warmatebuli

opoziciuri gaerTianeba da 2018 wlis saprezidento arCevnebi

iyo erT-erTi warmatebuli. swored Cvens erTianobaSia

gamarjvebis formula da vinc Crdils ayenebs am erTianobas

an sasargeblo idiotia da ar esmis `Zala erTobaSias~

principi, an mizanmimarTulad Tess ganxeTqilebasa da

areulobas, rac, saerTo jamSi, yvelas gvazianebs~

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àikonia kapitalis~ skandali grZeldeba

„qronika+” pirveli iyo, vinc

Tamar rostiaSvili

amerikuli kompania „aikonia kapi-

577 10 07 06

talis” Sesaxeb werda. es aris ko-

mpania, romelsac ramdenime wlis

winaT kapitali da yvelaferi waarTves im pirobebSi, rode-

sac qveynis xelisufleba Tamamad mouwodebda investorebs

saqarTveloSi Camosvlasa da aq investiciis Cadebas. mas Sem-

deg erTi weli gavida da davinteresdiT, ra bedi gaiziara

gaeros saarbitraJo sasamarTloze gadanacvlebulma saerTa-

Soriso skandalma?

„qronika+~ esaubreba kompani-

is menejer seT edvard Cars:

_ gmadlobT, rom ar dagaviwydaT

da kvlav dainteresdiT am

saqmiT. mokled gavimeoreb,

rogor daiwyo es yvelaferi:

2013 wels Cemi partniorebi moixiblnen

saqarTvelos investiciebis

erovnuli saagentos mier

mowodebuli prezentaciebiT,

romelic gvpirdeboda ufaso

sainvesticio klimatsa da samarTlian

sasamarTlo sistemas.

amitom daviwye Cemi pirveli investicia

saqarTveloSi Sps Iconia

Capital-is saxeliT. es iyo 2014

wlis aprili. Tveebi veZebdiT da

bolos vipoveT kidec teritoria

uZravi qonebis gansaviTareblad

saburTaloze, yofil „ipodromTan”,

Tbilisis SuagulSi.

teritoria imave wlis dekember-

Si SeviZineT da kompleqsis

mSeneblobisTvis mzadeba daviwyeT.

maleve, meriaSi mSeneblobis

nebarTvaze ganacxadis Setanis

Semdeg, advokatebma Segvatyobines,

rom gancxadeba SeCerebulia

Cveni teritoriis maxloblad

mcxovrebi ramdenime piris sa-

Civris gamo. is mimarTva sar-

Celad gadakeTda da mravalwlian

konfliqtSi gadaizarda

ramdenime qarTvel gavlenian

pirTan. am ukanasknelebma SeaCeres

kidec Cveni investicia da

xuTi weli xeli ar gagvanZrevines.

Cven kanoni ar dagvirRvevia,

magram ver davicaviT Cveni

uflebebi. es unda yofiliyo

caTambjenis pirveli samSeneblo

proeqti saqarTveloSi, romelic

sruliad absurduli mizezebiT

CaiSala. Tbilisis meriam

TiTqmis uproblemod mogvca

nebarTva mSeneblobaze, sanam mezobeli

korpusis ramdenime mcxovrebma

ar gviCivla da skveris

gaSeneba ar moiTxova.

_ diax, amaze CvenTan eqsklu-

ziur interviuSi yvebodiT.

rogor ganviTarda movlenebi?

_ iciT, rogor braldebebs

gviyenebdnen? _ rom Senobis

dizaini iyo maxinji, mezoblebis

gemovnebas laxavda da kidev Cveni

samSeneblo saqmianoba dablokavda

maTi manqanebis parkirebis

adgilebs. sinamdvileSi, oponentebma

Cveni samSeneblo teritoria

sakuTari sargeblobisTvis

miiTvises da mas 2015

wlidan iyeneben ukanono parkingisa

da kerZo biznesisTvis.

Tbilisis meriam, daviT narmanias

daqvemdebarebaSi, mSeneblobis

nebarTva mogvca ara erTxel, aramed

orjer. amis garda, dRevandelma

meriam, kaxa kalaZis xelmZRvanelobiT,

gadaxeda Cveni

mSeneblobis nebarTvas da kidev

erTxel daadastura misi kanoniereba

da moqmedeba. Tbilisis

saqalaqo sasamarTloebSi, mTeli

am procesis ganmavlobaSi, „mezoblebma”

aseve moiTxoves, rom

mimetovebina Cemi biznesi

saqarTveloSi da proeqtis nacvlad

kerZo baRi da sacurao auzi

ameSenebina Cems pirad miwaze.

bunebrivia, aseTi winadadeba miuRebeli

iyo, amitom me da Cemma

TanamSromlebma maTTan megobruli

kompromisi vcadeT, Tumca

uSedegod.

_ rogorc maxsovs, maSin qe-

Sad fuli moiTxoves?

_ Cveni ganzraxva iyo, rom

mowinaaRmdegeebs pirispir gaecnoT

da waredginaT zusti gegmebi.

pirveli sargebeli, rac meriaSi

Cvens oponentebs warvudgineT,

is iyo, rom maT mTeli teritoriis

gamwvanebasa da dasufTavebas

vTavazobdiT.

SevTavazeT aseve korpusis fasadis

garemonteba, maTi liftebis

sistemebis SekeTeba da a. S.

avuxseniT, rom vaSenebdiT teritoriisken

mimaval specialur

gzebs. mokled, im Sexvedraze

sityvieri Seuracxyofebi ar

daiSures CvenTvis. im jgufs

Soris iyvnen damswre biznesmeni

leri Saftali da uzenaesi sasamarTlos

mosamarTle giorgi

SavliaSvili. am Sexvedris ganmavlobaSi

da Cemi mTeli personalis

win, SavliaSvili sityvierad

daemuqra meriis mTavari arqiteqtoris

moadgiles da aseve

me. Tqva, rom me mosamarTle var

da arasdros mogcemT imis saSualebas,

am teritoriaze es

proeqti aaSenoTo. danarCeni

Tavadac iciT _ Sexvedra meria-

Si dasrulda Cven winaaRmdeg

ori sarCeliT momdevno wlebSi.

_ rodis, rogor da ra vi-

TarebaSi mogTxoves fulis qe-

Sad micema, rom sanacvlod ko-

rpusis aSenebaze problema aRar

N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.

mosamarTlis

`piradi grZnobebi~

ipodromis

caTambjenis mimarT

SegeqmnebodaT?

_ 2015 wlis zafxulSi leri

Saftalma ganacxada, rom igi da

misi kolegebi uars ityodnen

Cvens kompaniaze Tavdasxmebze,

Tu SevTanxmdebodiT, rom yvela

farTs SeviZendiT, rac maT mezobel

korpusSi hqondaT. aseTi

SenaZenis savaraudo Rirebuleba

1 000 000 larze meti iyo. es

CvenTvis miuRebeli gaxldaT,

amitom uari vTqviT am SemoTavazebaze,

ris Semdegac mezoblebis

Tavdasxmebi kvlav gamZafrda.

_ wina interviuSi aRniSneT,

rom 2016 wels sagareo saqmeTa

saministrosa da aSS-is saelCos

SuamdgomlobiT meriam mainc

mogcaT nebarTva, Tumca dava

sasamarTloSi gagrZelda?

_ ekonomikis saministrom, aSSis

saelCom da meriam gadaxedes

Cvens viTarebas da erTad vimuSaveT

imaze, rom Cveni sam-

Seneblo nebarTva daemtkicebinaT,

miuxedavad mowinaaRmdegeebis

saCivrebisa. bolo oTxi wlis

ganmavlobaSi dRemde vibrZviT

mSeneblobis nebarTvis aRsadgenad.

sasamarTlo uars acxadebda

Cvens mtkicebulebaTa ganxilvaze,

romelic samxaraulis

daskvnebs efuZneboda. 2018 wlis

TebervalSi Tbilisis saapelacio

sasamarTlos mosamarTle

levan murusiZem aseve daadastura

mSeneblobis nebarTvis Se-

Cereba Cven winaaRmdeg, amasTan,

aRniSna, _ rom Cveni saqmianoba

unda SeCerebuliyo misi „piradi

grZnobebis” gamo.

_ levan murusiZis „piradi

grZnobebi” ras niSnavs _ Sey-

varebulia?

_ ar vici, magram piradi

grZnobebis gamoxatvis garda,

murusiZes ar ganucxadebia sxva

mizezebi an precedenti, romelic

safuZvlad udevs qarTul

kanons. garda amisa, murusiZem

daarRvia Cveni, rogorc investoris

uflebebi, dabloka Cveni

Txovna, rom gveCivla Cveni oponentebisTvis

im finansuri zaralisTvis,

rac wlebia, mogvayenes.

_ mogviyeviT, ra xdeboda

pirvel da meore instanciaSi?

_ Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlos

ar gamoutania gadawyvetileba

Cven winaaRmdeg, Tumca

raRac meqanizmebiT Cvenma

oponentebma mianc SeZles Cveni

biznessaqmianobis SeCereba

saqarTveloSi, miuxedevad imisa,

rom ar dagvirRvevia kanoni. 2018

wels, saqarTvelos mTavrobis

winaaRmdeg saerTaSoriso saarbitraJo

ganxilvis dawyebis Semdeg,

Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlom

2019 wlis aprilSi Cven

sasargeblod gadawyvetileba

miiRo. Tumca Cveni gamarjveba

xanmokle aRmoCnda, radgan oponentebma

orjer gaasaCivres

gadawyvetileba meore instancia-

Si (saapelacio sasamarTlo),

axla ki saqarTvelos uzenaes

sasamarTlos mimarTes.

_ rogorc viciT, Tqvenma

frangma advokatebma gaeros

saerTaSoriso

saarbitraJo

sasamarTlos mimarTes?

_ 1994 wels aSS-ma da saqarTvelom

xeli moaweres ormxriv xelSekrulebas,

romlis ZiriTadi

aspeqti moicavs garkveul garantiebs

saqarTveloSi moqmedi

amerikeli investorebisTvis,

aseve qarTveli investorebis

dacvas aSS-Si. es xelSekruleba

gulisxmobs garkveul garantiebs,

romelic migvaCnia, rom

saqarTvelos mTavrobam daar-

Rvia. es aris: biznesis dacva,

maTi aqtivebis eqspropreacia da

usafrTxoeba; garantiebi, diskriminaciisgan

dacva da adgilobrivi

marTlmsajulebis sistemis

mier samarTliani mopyroba.

aqve minda visargeblo SemTxveviT

da madloba gadavuxado

„qronika+”-s gaweuli mxardaWerisTvis.

es namdvilad gmirobis

tolfasi iyo.

_ ra etapzea axla saqme?

_ saqarTvelos uzenaes sasamarTloSi

mosamarTle giorgi

SavliaSvili da misi meuRle ia

goleTiani kvlav muSaoben. es

aris sasamarTlos saboloo instancia.

Cveni kompaniisa da piradad

Cem winaaRmdeg ganxorcielebuli

Setevebis gamo, iZulebuli

gavxdiT, 2018 wels

gadagvedga es nabiji, raTa

dagvecva sakuTari Tavi da Cveni

amerikeli investorebi. Cvenma

amerikelma iuristebma saarbitraJo

gancxadeba Seitanes

saqarTvelos mTavrobis winaaRmdeg

2018 wlis noemberSi, xolo

2019 wlis dasawyisSi maT daiqiraves

did britaneTSi dafuZnebuli

iuridiuli firma Cvens

saCivarze pasuxis gasacemad.

saarbitraJo sarCelma unda daiwyos

samarTalwarmoeba saerTa-

Soriso saarbitraJo sasamarTloSi

(romelic mogvianebiT

unda SeirCes) UNCITRAL-is

(gaeros saerTaSoriso savaWro

samarTlis komisia) wesebiT.

saqarTvelos mTavrobaSi Cveni

kolegebisadmi profesionaluri

Tavazianobis gamo, droebiT SevaCereT

es sasamarTlo procesebi.

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rogor dagvabruna Sua saukuneebSi

Tea wulukianma? rogoria

saocnebo mSvidoba? ratom

araa gamarTlebuli opoz-

iciis erTiani saarCevno siis

Seqmna? aris Tu ara ganxeTqileba

opoziciaSi? ras hpird-

ebian ivaniSvilis satelitobis

msurvelebs? _ amis Sesaxeb

„qronika+”-s anzor biwaZe es-

aubreba:

_ amerikeli kongresmenebis

mier gamoqveynebuli bolo

dokumenti, sadac ivaniSvil-

isTvis sanqciebis dawesebazea

saubari, saqarTveloSi didi

vnebaTaRelvis mizezi gaxda.

anzor, Tqven ras fiqrobT am

dokumentze?

_ damoukideblobis mopovebidan

30 wlis Tavze saqarTvelo

namdvilad ar imsaxurebs,

hyavdes iseTi mmarTveli,

romelzec kongresmenebi Riad

daiwyeben saubars, rom mis

winaaRmdeg sanqciebis dawesebaa

saWiro. Cven amisTvis ar gvibrZolia

da arc Cvens wina

Taobebs endomebodaT, aseTi

ram exilaT saqarTveloSi.

aseTi tipis mwvave gancxadebebs

amerika ucbad da Riad ar

akeTebs. rogorc wesi, mesijebi

jer daxuruli, diplomatiuri

arxebiT igzavneba. xSirad sael-

Cos meSveobiTac agzavnian Setyobinebebs.

mas Semdeg, rac

dainaxaven, rom diplomatiuri

da saelCos arxebiT gamogzavnil

mesijebs, aseve daxurul

kars miRma gamarTul saubars

azri ar aqvs, mxolod mere keTdeba

xolme aseTi gancxadebebi.

samwuxarod, „qarTulma ocnebam”

es zRvari didi xania, gadalaxa

dasavleli partniorebis

TvalSi da amitomac keTdeba

sajarod aseTi mwvave Sefasebebi.

warmoudgenelia is gancxadebebic,

romelsac mmarTveli

partia akeTebs kongresmenebTan

mimarTebiT. dedamiwaze ar

meguleba romelime qveynis parlamenti,

misi wevrebi ucxoel

kolegebze Riad acxadebdnen,

rom maT qrTami aiRes. rasac

dRes „qarTuli ocnebis” parlamentarebi

sCadian, politikuri

velurobaa. es arc maTi gamoucdelobiT

aixsneba da arc

maTi upasuxismgeblobiT. es,

ubralod, raRac saswauli ambavia,

romlis momswrenic gavxdiT.

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eZaxes, rasac, rogorc opozicia varaudobs, kongresis mxridan

aucileblad moyveba reagireba. „ocnebis” liderebis Sefasebebs

politikur sivelures uwodebs „erTiani saqarTve-

lo _ demokratiuli moZraobis” mTavari sabWos wevri, anzor

biwaZe. misi TqmiT, amerikasTan dRes yvelaze dapirispirebuli

qveyana irania, magram misi parlamentis wevrebsac ar uka-

drebiaT vaSingtonisTvis is, rac meocnebeebma akadres.

_ fuliT Tu werdnen kon-

gresmenebi aseT gancxadebebs,

biZina ivaniSvilze didi fuli

saqarTveloSi aravis aqvs da

ratom man ar SeukveTa araf-

eri?

_ aq imaze ar gaxlavT saubari,

vis ufro meti fuli aqvs.

aq mTavari isaa, rom „qarTuli

ocneba” 13 kongresmens Riad

sdebs brals, TiTqos maT fuli

aiRes da amis sanacvlod raRac

gancxadeba gaakeTes. es aris sigiJe

da sakuTari qveynis winaaRmdeg

Cadenili mavnebloba.

_ am mavneblobaze amerik-

elebs, albaT, eqnebaT reaqcia.

_ ra Tqma unda, amas ase

aravin datovebs. mogexsenebaT,

amerikasTan yvelaze dapirispirebuli

qveyana aris irani.

amis miuxedavad, iranis sakanonmdeblo

organos arc erT wevrs

TavSi azradac ki ar mouva imis

Tqma, rom amerikeli kongresmenebi

fuls iReben. aseT gancxadebebs

parlamentis wevrebi

ucxoeli kolegebis misamarTiT

Riad arasdros akeTeben. visac

politikasTan axlos mainc Cauvlia,

yvela amas getyviT. situacias

kidev ufro amZimebs is

faqti, rom aseT ugunur gancxadebebs

amerikeli kolegebis

mimarT ara „ocnebis” rigiT

wevrebi, aramed misi liderebi

akeTeben. am adamianebs sakanonmdeblo

organoSi sakmaod maRali

Tanamdebobebi ukaviaT.

_ rigiTi wevrebic ar Camouvardebian

liderebs. kongres-

menebTan dakavSirebiT isinic

saswaulebs amboben.

_ am 30 wlis manZilze, rac

Cveni qveyana damoukidebelia,

mravali ubedureba gamoviareT,

maT Soris, omebi. amdeni imitom

ar gadagvitania, rom damoukidebeli

qveynis iusticiis ministrs

eTqva, Cveni damoukideblobisa

da suverenitetis garanti

aris erTi konkretuli

adamianio. am SemTxvevaSi saxelsa

da gvars aranairi mniSvneloba

ar aqvs. roca damoukidebeli

qveynis umaRlesi Tanamdebobis

piri ase fiqrobs da aseT

rames ambobs, e. i. Cven Sua

saukuneebSi vyofilvarT CarCenilebi.

roca aseTi azrovnebis

mTavroba gvyavs, rogor Sei-

Zleba, iq rame kargis imedi gqondes.

me ar minda, rom Cems qveyanas

aseTi momavali hqondes.

anzor biwaZe:

àucileblad

vamxelT im

opoziciur

partias, vinc

ivaniSvilis

satelitobas

moisurvebs~

sul rom nino burjanaZeze Tqvan,

damoukideblobis garantiao,

es CemTvis kategoriulad

miuRebeli iqneba. aseTi Sefaseba

yvela normalur adamians

aRaSfoTebs. erTi kaci veranairad

iqneba qveynis suverenitetis

garanti.

_ nino burjanaZe axseneT da

kongresmenebis mier Sedgenil

dokumentze mis gakeTebul Se-

fasebas didi aRSfoTeba da

ganrisxeba moyva „qarTul oc-

nebaSi”. isic aprotestebs im

politikas, rasac xelisufle-

ba ruseTTan mimarTebiT

atarebs. Tqven ras fiqrobT?

_ ara mgonia, „qarTuli ocneba”

iseT moralur mdgomareobaSi

iyos, rom vinmeze ganrisxdes.

biZina ivaniSvili Tu

marTlac putinis mokavSirea,

`qeTevan cixelaSvili gaxlavT am mTavrobis

wevri, romelsac konfliqturi regionebi

ebara. gasul kviras am qalbatonma gamoacxada,

rom marTalia, rusebi CvenTan

mavTulxlarTebs abamen, samagierod mSvidoba

gvaqvso. me ar mesmis, adamians, miT umetes,

mTavrobis wevrs, TavSi azrad rogor unda

mogivides aseTi raRacis Tqma~

maSin imdeni mainc unda moaxerxos,

rom yovel or-sam kviraSi

rusebi axal-axal adgilebs

ar Robavdnen mavTulxlarTebiT.

rac „qarTuli ocneba”

xelisuflebis saTaveSi

movida, Tve ar gava, rusebma

sadme e. w. sazRvari ar gadmowion.

rac yvelaze mZime da

tragikulia, am ambavs televiziebiT

vigebT xolme. opoziciuri

da socialuri media rom

ara, SeiZleba, saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

did nawils saerTod

ver gagvego, rom rusebma ama da

am adgilze mavTulxlarTebi

gaabes. am dros saqarTvelos

sagareo saqmeTa saministro

ruseTs saprotesto notasac ki

ar ugzavnis. elementarul

gancxadebasac ki ar akeTebs.

arc dasavlel partniorebs mimarTavs

reagirebisTvis. es

mokavSireoba ki ara, qveynis

Ralatia. yvelafers Tavisi saxeli

unda davarqvaT.

_ erT dros „qarTuli oc-

nebis” rCeulma da yofilma

prezidentma, giorgi margve-

laSvilma, gviTxra, mova dro

da am mavTulxlarTebs jarT-

Si CavabarebTo. etyoba, am

dros elodebian da amitom

arian Cumad.

_ qeTevan cixelaSvili gaxlavT

am mTavrobis wevri,

romelsac konfliqturi regionebi

ebara. gasul kviras am

qalbatonma gamoacxada, rom

marTalia, rusebi CvenTan

mavTulxlarTebs abamen, samagierod

mSvidoba gvaqvso. me ar

mesmis, adamians, miT umetes,

mTavrobis wevrs, TavSi azrad

rogor unda mogivides aseTi

raRacis Tqma.

_ es rogori mSvidobaa?

rogor SeiZleba, teritoriebs

kargavde da amas mSvidoba

uwodo?

_ eseni mSvidobas Taviseburad

uyureben. maTTvis mSvidoba sxva

ramea _ biZina ivaniSvilis kapitals

ar unda daemuqros safrTxe.

„qarTuli ocneba” am kapitalidan

gasamrjelos iRebs.

darwmunebuli var, saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis 99%-s aseTi mSvidoba

araferSi awyobs.

_ rogor unda awyobdes,

roca aseTi mSvidobianobis

Jams kvira ise ar gava, Cven

mier kontrolirebadi teritoriidan

adamianebi ar gaita-

con. Tvali ar eces da bolo

ramdenime kviraa, gamtaceble-

bi aRar gamoCenilan.

_ Cvens moqalaqeebs Cvenive

kontrolirebadi teritoriebidan

itaceben; e. w. sazRvari

yoveldRe iwevs; saqarTvelos

sagaro saqmeTa saministro

saprotesto notebs ar gzavnis;

diplomatiuri korpusi ar

muSaobs; telefonis aqeTa mxares

kaciSvili ar zis, rom

moskovSi darekos da elementa-

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xmas ar iReb, qveynis moRalate xar~

ruli protesti mainc gamoTqvas

im ukanonobis gamo, rasac

rusebi sCadian. kidev erTxel

vambob, rasac dRes „qarTuli

ocneba” akeTebs, putinTan mokavSireoba

ki ara, qveynis Ralatia.

ara mgonia, amas Cveni qveynis

mosaxleoba ver xedavdes.

amomrCevlisTvis arc mSvidobaze

„ocnebiseuli” ganmartebaa

misaRebi. „qarTuli ocnebis”

mSvidoba ase gamoiyureba _

isxdnen TbilisSi mSvidad da

„qarTudan” gamoyofili TanxebiT

win da ukan iaron. Cveni saxelmwifosa

da sazogadoebis interesebi

gacilebiT farToa.

_ „ocneba” „ocnebad”, magram

arc opoziciaSia kargad saqme.

marTalia, jer isev inarCunebT

erTobas, Tumca maJoritarebis

SerCevis Temam raRac bza-

rebi gaaCina.

_ gasuli wlis 14 noembridan

moyolebuli vinarCunebT er-

Tobasa da koordinacias. arada,

„qarTul ocnebas” bevrjer

hqonda mcdeloba, daeSala Cveni

erTianoba.

_ ra mcdelobebze

saubrobT?

_ es iyo piarSetevebi, propaganda.

aseve Seecadnen, sxvadasxva

partiasTan gaemarTaT

faruli molaparakeba.

_ ramdenadac CvenTvis aris

cnobili, Tqvens partiaSic ga-

moagzavnes kaci TxovniT, _

gaemijneT opoziciaso.

_ diax, magram Cvengan am SeTavazebaze

Zalian mtkice da civi

uari miiRes. kidev bevri mcdeloba

iyo, rom daveSaleT, miuxedavad

amisa, erTobis Senar-

Cuneba SevZeliT. win kidev iqneba

bevri sirTule, Tumca gavu-

ZlebT, radgan „qarTuli ocneba”

xelisuflebidan unda gavuSvaT.

amas mxolod erTad

movaxerxebT.

_ saqarTvelos mesame prezidenti

mixeil saakaSvili ini-

ciativiT gamovida, rom

opoziciam erTiani saarCevno

sia Seqmnas da ase daupirispirdes

ivaniSvils. amas momxreebic

gamouCndnen da mow-

inaaRmdegenic. Tqveni partia

erTiani saarCevno siis

winaaRmdegia.

_ erTiani saarCevno siis Seqmna

ararealisturi da ararealizebadia.

Cven mogvwons-armogvwons

erTmaneTi, es sxva

Temaa. pirvel rigSi, opoziciam

amomrCevlis interesi unda gaviTvaliswinoT.

opoziciuri

eleqtorati bevrad aRemateba

im eleqtorats, romelsac

surs, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

kvlav darCes qveynis xelisuflebaSi.

amasTan, opoziciurad

ganwyobili eleqtoratis politikuri

gemovneba Zalian ekleqtikuri

da gansxvavebulia. amitom

migvaCnia, rom saarCevno

biuletenic mravalferovani

unda iyos, raTa yvela opoziciurad

ganwyobilma amomrCevelma

iq monaxos partia,

`biZina ivaniSvili Tu marTlac putinis mokavSirea, maSin imdeni mainc unda

moaxerxos, rom yovel or-sam kviraSi rusebi axal-axal adgilebs ar

Robavdnen mavTulxlarTebiT. rac `qarTuli ocneba~ xelisuflebis saTaveSi

movida, Tve ar gava, rusebma sadme e. w. sazRvari ar gadmowion. rac yvelaze

mZime da tragikulia, am ambavs televiziebiT vigebT xolme. opoziciuri da

socialuri media rom ara, SeiZleba, saqarTvelos mosaxleobis did nawils

saerTod ver gagvego, rom rusebma ama da am adgilze mavTulxlarTebi gaabes~

N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.

romelic mis politikur gemovnebas

akmayofilebs da romlis

xilvac surs parlamentSi. opoziciuri

eleqtoratis politikuri

gemovnebis gaTvaliswineba

Zalian mniSvnelovania.

_ mxolod amitom ar unda

Sedges erTiani saarCevno sia?

_ saqarTveloSi akreditebulma

elCebma yvelaferi gaakeTes,

rom opoziciasa da

„qarTul ocnebas” Soris dialogi

dawyebuliyo da procesebi

konstituciur CarCoebSi

moqceuliyo. aSkaraa, rom maT

ar surT saqarTveloSi orpolusianobis

SenarCuneba, rac

procesebis radikalizacias

gamoiwvevs. opoziciam amasac

unda gauwios angariSi. aucileblad

unda movaxerxoT, rom

mravalpartiuli parlamenti

miviRoT. Cvengan amas elodebian

saerTaSoriso partniorebic.

erTiani saarCevno sia aseulobiT

aTas adamians waarTmevs

arCevanis gakeTebis saSualebas.

aseTi sia Tu Sedga, maRali

albaTobiT, Zalian bevri adamiani

ar mova arCevnebze. erTiani

sia orpolusianobas gamoiwvevs,

rasac procesebis gamwvaveba

`kaxa kalaZes vurCevdi, rom garTobasa da

kinoze laparaks Tavi daanebos da WavWavaZis

gamzirs mixedos, romelic erTi welia,

gadaTxrilia. iseTi mdgomareobaa, manqana ki

ara, adamiani veRar gaivlis. aseve kargi

iqneba, Tu kaxa kalaZe Tbilisis meriaSi

gabatonebuli korufciuli faqtebis

SeswavliT dakavdeba. mas aSkarad ar hyofnis

gamocdileba da politikurad ugunur

gancxadebebs akeTebs~

moyveba, romlis Tavidan asacilebladac

Cvenma ucxoelma

megobrebma bevri samuSao gawies.

saerTaSoriso partniorebis

rCevebsa da SeniSvnebs mxolod

xelisufleba ar unda

moekidos yuradRebiT, amis

valdebuleba opoziciasac aqvs.

_ erTiani maJoritarebis

SerCevis frontze ra xdeba? am

procesSi sakmaod daiZaba

situacia.

_ simarTle giTxraT, opoziciaSi

seriozuli dapirispireba

ar arsebobs, maT Soris, arc

maJoritarebis SerCevis Temaze.

Cveni strategiuli amocana

axla is aris, rom erTmaneTSi

koordinacia SevinarCunoT,

raTa gayalbebiT, mosyidvebiT

da sxvadasxva manipulaciiT bi-

Zina ivaniSvilma veRar moaxerxos

iseTi Semajamebeli oqmis

gamocxoba, romelic mis interesebSia

da „qarTul ocnebas”

xelisuflebaSi datovebs.

maJoritarebs rac Seexeba,

yvelas gacnobierebuli gvaqvs,

rom iseT pirovnebebze unda

SevTanxmdeT, romlebsac meti

Sansi eqnebaT, „qarTuli ocnebis”

warmomadgenlebs olqebi

daaTmobinon. am SemTxvevaSi

partiul kuTvnilebas mniSvneloba

ar aqvs.

_ yvela olqSi SeZlebT er-

Tiani maJoritaris wardgenas?

_ SesaZloa, yvela olqSi ver

moxerxdes erTiani maJoritaris

wardgena, magram arc es

aris tragikuli da opoziciis

momxreebis SeSfoTeba ar unda

gamoiwvios. aris mTeli rigi

olqebi, sadac eleqtoraluri

TvalsazrisiT ufro gamarTlebulia,

rom opozicias

ramdenime kandidati hyavdes

wardgenili. es opoziciisTvis

ufro momgebiani iqneba, vidre

erTi saerTo kandidati.

mTavaria, rom miznis garSemo

opozicia konsolidirebulia.

taqtikur mosazrebebze dava

yovelTvis iqneba da es mxolod

misasalmebelia.

_ ratom aris misasalmebe-

li?

_ RmerTma dagvifaros, rom

mTeli opozicia erT azrze

iyos. am erTobis Zalian didi

plusia mravalferovneba, rac

unda SevinarCunoT. amasTan,

davrCeT koordinaciaSi im 5-

miliardiani monstris winaaRmdeg,

romelsac surs, rom

saqarTvelo jibeSi Caidos.

biZina ivaniSvils unda, rom

mTeli qveyana Tavis Wkuaze ataros.

misi mizania, parlamentSi

iseTi adamianebi Seiyvanos,

romlebic „ocnebis” lideris

nebismier davalebas usityvod

da daufiqreblad Seasruleben.

ivaniSvili Tu moisurvebs, sxva

qveynis parlamentis wevrebs

yovelgvari dasabuTebis gareSe

meqrTameebs dauZaxeben.

_ Tqveni saubridan gamom-

dinare opoziciaSi sagangaSo

araferia, arada, dedaqalaqis

meri da SeTavsebiT „qarTuli

ocnebis” erT-erTi lideri,

kaxa kalaZe, garTobasa da ki-

nos eloda opoziciisgan.

_ kaxa kalaZes vurCevdi, rom

garTobasa da kinoze laparaks

Tavi daanebos da WavWavaZis

gamzirs mixedos, romelic erTi

welia, gadaTxrilia. iseTi

mdgomareobaa, manqana ki ara,

adamiani veRar gaivlis.

aseve kargi iqneba, Tu kaxa

kalaZe Tbilisis meriaSi gabatonebuli

korufciuli faqtebis

SeswavliT dakavdeba. mas

aSkarad ar hyofnis gamocdileba

da politikurad ugunur

gancxadebebs akeTebs. aseTi

Secdomebi rom aRar mouvides,

mTlinad qalaqze gadaerTos da

misi meurneobis mowesrigebaze

daxarjos Tavisi energia. gar-

Tobasa da kinos Cvengan sul

tyuilad elodeba.

is Zalebi, vinc axla opoziciur

erTobaSi varT, araviTar

SemTxvevaSi ar davuSvebT mankieri

praqtikis gagrZelebas _

30 welia, rac saqarTveloSi

arsebobs opoziciis opozicia.

es unda dasruldes. unda asebobdes

xelisufleba da misi opozicia.

Tu vinmes cduneba eqneba,

rom miliarderis sateliti

partia gaxdes, amis lustracias

aucileblad movaxdenT.

_ am erTobidan SeiZleba,

aravin gaxdes ivaniSvilis

sateliti, magram kidev arian

sxva opoziciuri partiebi,

romlebic TqvenTan ar Tanam-

Sromloben. didi albaTobiT,

maT satelitebis rolSi vix-

ilavT.

_ ar aqvs mniSvneloba, Cvens

rigebSi arian Tu ara. maT lustrirebas

movaxdenT da sazogadoebas

davanaxvebT, vis surs

xelisuflebis satelitoba da

vis _ misi Secvla.

19


òpozicia ki ar ibrZvis,

mamuka giorgaZe politikaSi

giorgi abaSiZe

brundeba, rac imas niSnavs, rom

„saxalxo partia” wlevandel

arCevnebSi monawileobas miiRebs.

„xelovnur dapirispirebas

vuyurebT da ara _ politikur

Widils. CvenTan pirovnuli

zizRiT dapirispirebaa da ara

_ saqmis gamo. politikur partiebs

ideologiuri saxe ar gaaC-

niaT da lozungis braxabruxia...

amazrzenia am prodasavluri

reputaciiT SeniRbuli adamianebis

bolSevikuri cnobiere-

ba”, _ acxadebs mamuka giorgaZe,

romelTanac Cvenma gamocemam

vrceli interviu Cawera.

_ batono mamuka, rogorc

gavige, aqtiur politikaSi

brundebiT...

_ politikur cxovrebaSi aqtiuroba

arc Segviwyvetia. saer-

Tod, taim-autebis, Svebulebebis

aReba ar gvaxasiaTebs da mudmivad

im Rirebulebebis sadarajoze

vdgavarT, romlebiTac

Cveni saqmianoba aTwleulebis

winaT daviwyeT.

_ „aqtiur politikaSi dab-

runebaSi” is vigulisxme, rom

arCevnebSi apirebT monawile-

obas.

_ diax, arCevnebSi aqtiurad

verTvebiT, saamisod adamianuri

da ideologiuri resursic gvaqvs,

anu migvaCnia, rom dRes

saqarTveloSi erovnuli, qristianuli,

demokratiuli, memarjvene

da prodasavluri Zalis

deficitia. Cven swored am vakuumis

Sevseba gvinda.

_ „qocebisa” da „nacebis” gar-

da qarTul politikaSi kidev

erTi banakia, romelic SuaSis-

turs uwodebs Tavs. gasagebia,

rom „ocnebasa” da „nacmoZraobasTan”

ar iqnebiT, magram Sua-

Sistebis gverdiT dadgebiT?

_ samwuxarod, Cven partniori

im gagebiT ar gvyavs, rom Camoyalibebuli

politikuri ideologiis

matarebeli iyos. Cven

partniori iseTi erTjeradi

RonisZiebebisTvis gvyavs, rogoricaa,

magaliTad, saarCevno

kanoni, policielTa Zaladoba

da a. S. sxvaTa Soris, mxolod

konceptualuri partniori ki

ara, mowinaaRmdegec ar gvyavs da

amis mizezi isaa, rom qarTuli

politika, ZiriTadad, erTdRiani

interesebiTaa daxunZluli. vinc

droSebs afrialebs, yvelas lozungi

rom gadafxiko, erTsa da

imave safuZvelze „gaxvalT”: maT-

Tvis politika Zalauflebisken

ltolvaa, CvenTvis ki ideebiTa

da RirebulebebiT gamdidrebaa.

amas vinmes Seuracxyofis an

gaRizianebis mizniT ar vambob. es

samwuxaro faqtia.

ai, magaliTad, ras vSvrebiT

afxazeTSi? „saxalxo partia” 20

welia, parlamentSi araa da am

xnis ganmavlobaSi parlaments

arc afxazeTis sakiTxi ganuxilavs

da arc _ cxinvalis.

aseve sakanonmdeblo doneze

arc religiis sakiTxi ganxilula

da arc _ mcire da saSualo

biznesis. arada, es saqarTvelos

usafrTxoebis Semadgeneli Temebia.

CvenTan imas ganixilaven,

vinme nikiforem ra daaSava da

fuli sad waiRo. ki batono, tenderebSi

korufciaa, magram ise-

Ti sakiTxebis wamoweva, romlebic

qveynis ganviTarebisTvis

konceptualuria, samwuxarod, am

20 wlis ganmavlobaSi ar gvinaxavs.

samagierod, lanZRva-ginebas,

Cxubsa da xelisuflebaSi Sesul

da ukan gamosul politikur

jgufebs vxedavT. am SemTxvevaSi

pirovnebebze ar vsaubrob. esa

Tu is pirovneba SeiZleba, Cvenze

kargi iyos. RmerTma nu qnas,

rom saqarTveloSi „saxalxo partiis”

wevrebze ukeTesi adamianebi

ar iyvnen, magram Cven imaze

vlaparakobT, rom zemoxsenebul

sakiTxebze politika ar arsebobs.

_ e. i., „saxalxo partia”

politikaSi „martoxela mgelia”

da wlevandel arCevnebSi le-

los gatana ar gagiWirdebaT?

_ rom gviWirs, am mdgomareobaSic

amitom varT, Tumca er-

Tad Tu rame sakiTxi gamova, TanamSromlobisTvis

mzad gaxlavarT.

_ da is sakiTxi, romelzedac

SesaZloa, vinmesTan iTanamSrom-

loT, romelia?

_ magaliTad, damokidebuleba

saqarTvelos eklesiis, garejisa

Tu afxazeTis mimarT, Tumca

arc Tavs movityuebT da arc

_ sazogadoebas da am erTjerad

TanamSromlobas ise aravis

SevTavazebT, rogorc konceptualur

erTianobas.

sxvaTa Soris, politikaSi Cveni

winapari, rezo gabaSvili, ambobda,

politika mxolod idea-

Ta Widili ki ara, arsebul garemoebaTa

gamoyenebis xelovnebacaao.

amitom aseTi kompromisebisTvis

mzad varT, Tumca Cvens

ZiriTad principebze uars ar

vityviT!

_ batono mamuka, vidre gare-

jze Tqveni xedvebis Sesaxeb

gkiTxavT, miTxariT, iqidan ga-

momdinare, rom erTjeradi SeT-

anxmebisTvis mzad xarT, e. i.,

opoziciis maJoritarebis saer-

To kandidatebs SesaZloa, mxari

dauWiroT?

_ pirovnebis xedvebs gaaCnia.

saerTod, romelime partiaSi

erTiani gundis moazreba Seu-

Zlebelia. yovel SemTxvevaSi, ver

metyviT, rom iseTi e. w. msxvili

gaerTianeba, rogoric, magali-

Tad, „ocneba” an romelime

mmarTveli partiaa, romelic

gamovicvaleT, erTiani gundi

iyo da erTiani xedva hqonda. amitom

wina planze pirovnebis

Tema modis, anu Cven sterilur

mamuka giorgaZe:

`vinc saqarTvelos

interesebs azianebs,

yvelas mkacri

pasuxismgeblobis

sakiTxi unda dadges!~

garemoSi ar vcxovrobT da Tu

jansaRi pirovneba gamoCnda, ma-

Sin mxardaWera SesaZlebelia.

_ batono mamuka, maJoritarebis

erTiani kandidatebis dasaxelebas

opozicia apirebs da aq-

cents „ocnebaze” ratom

akeTebT?

_ CemTvis erTgvarovani arc

opoziciaa da arc „nacmoZraobaa”

opoziciis simbolo.

amitom SesaZlebelia, rom romelime

partiaSi iseTi adamianebi

aRmoCndnen, romelTa xedvebi

Cvensas daemTxves da saTanam-

Sromlod mzad viqnebiT.

_ albaTobas Tavi davaneboT

da pirdapir miTxariT: „saxalxo

partias” maJoritarobis kandi-

dati 30-ve maJoritarul olqSi

eyoleba?

_ Cveni resursebidan gamomdinare,

maJoritarobis kandidatis

30-ve olqSi wardgena, albaT,

gagviWirdeba, anu pirovnebebi ki

gvyavs, magram elementaruli

gadaadgilebis saSualebaa saWiro,

minimum, amomrCevels rom

Sexvde, Tan maJoritarul arCevnebs

Tavisi specifika aqvs _

xalxTan piradad unda mixvide da

naxo. mokled, mzad varT, mTel

rig raionebSi jansaR kandidats

davudgeT gverdiT.

_ es „jansaRi kandidati”

SesaZloa, „ocnebis” warmomad-

genelic iyos?

_ Teoriulad, SeiZleba, Tumca

„ocnebis” kandidati, bunebrivia,

opoziciis mxares yurebas

ar daiwyebs, radgan amis gamo

„ocneba” arCevnebidan moxsnis.

sxvaTa Soris, dRes opozicia

saarCevno kanonis punqtebze

yuradRebas ar amaxvilebs.

_ anu?

_ maJoritarebad saarCevno

jgufidan imitom midian, rom

saarCevno komisiaSi 12-dan, minimum,

aTi xelisuflebis warmomadgenelia.

amasTan, maJoritarobis

saxelisuflebo kandidati

saxelisuflebo resursiTa da

finansebiTacaa mxardaWerili.

samwuxarod, opoziciur erToba-

Si imis gatana ver movaxerxeT,

rom arCevis formaze ki ara,

saarCevno kanonmdeblobis pun-

`destabilizaciis sagani giorgi ruruas

ganTavisufleba an is gaxdes, rom xval

romelime policielma adamiani arasworad

daakavos. aseve destabilizaciis sagani

SeiZleba, daviTgarejis, hesebis Tema an, sulac,

is gaxdes, rac SarSan pankisSi moxda. msgavsi

sababi mravaljer gvinaxavs~

qtebze gvesaubra, rac gacilebiT

mniSvnelovania.

_ opoziciasTan es Tema

rogor unda gagetanaT, roca

„saxalxo partia” e. w. leiboris-

tuli magidis monawile araa!

_ am magidis muSaobaSi imitom

ar vmonawileobT, rom iq imaze

midis saubari, rurua politpatimaria

Tu _ ara. es Tema ki

CvenTvis saintereso ar aris.

aseve, bavSvuri saubrebi midis,

Tu vin unda iyos momavali

prezidenti Tu premieri. es ki

absurdia.

_ absurdi ratomaa?

_ es adamianebi xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg ki ar ibrZvian,

aramed, iseTi STabeWdileba iqmneba,

rom saeTero sivrces avseben

da raRac axal-axali dRis

wesrigiT mosaxleobis yuradReba

aramniSvnelovan sakiTxebze

gadaaqvT, Torem rogor SeiZleba,

opoziciis aseTi speqtri premieris

kandidatze SeTanxmdes?!

ise, CemTvis kidev erTi ramea

gaugebrai.

_ kerZod?

_ Tuki am xalxs proporciuli

arCevnebi panacead miaCnda,

maSin Tundac giorgi ruruas

Temam es sakiTxi safrTxis qveS

ratom unda daayenos?

_ am kiTxvaze pasuxi martivia

_ politpatimrebis gan-

Tavisufleba 8 martis SeTanxme-

bis ZiriTadi punqtia.

_ gasagebia, magram Tu proporciuli

arCevnebi qveynisTvis

misaRebia, maSin am sakiTxis Cavardnaze

mainc unda wavidnen?

erTi sityviT, es dapirisipireba

dramatuli speqtaklis

formas iRebs! simarTle giTxraT,

40 wlis ganmavlobaSi bevri

aseTi xelovnuri dapirispireba

minaxavs. 1999 wlis saprezidento

arCevnebis dros qarTuli mediis

mTavari Tema is iyo, romelime

regionSi Casul jumber patiaSvils

kvercxs esrodnen Tu _

pomidors!

_ am Temaze saubari Sors

wagviyvans, Tanac mas Semdeg,

rac 13 amerikeli kongresmenis

ybadaRebuli Sefaseba gamoqvey-

nda, proporciuli arCevnebis

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saeTero sivrces avsebs!~

Temam, TiTqos, ukana planze

gadaiwia. mokled, Tqveni azriT,

amerikeli kongresmenebi ivaniSvils

saqarTveloSi rusuli in-

teresebis gamtareblad ratom

miiCneven?

_ ai, es seriozuli Temaa.

_ hoda, gismenT da gaSaleT

es Tema.

_ es dokumenti qarTuli sazogadoebisTvis

ar aris

gankuTvnili. es dokumenti Sida

kvlevis sagania, anu sajarod ki

gamoqveynda, magram aSS-is respublikuri

partiis xelmZRvanelobisa

da aSS-is respublikeli

prezidentiskenaa mimarTuli.

erTi sityviT, es moxseneba lobistebisa

Tu pirovnulad gaRizianebuli

adamianebis pirad

werilebs scdeba. am moxsenebaSi

destabilizaciis faqtoria gamoyofili

da umTavresic swored

es gaxlavT. iciT, es dokumenti

gulze ratom mogvxvda?

_ ratom?

_ didi xania, vsaubrobT, rom

saqarTveloSi ruseTis mTavari

faqtori, ufro sworad, interesi,

destabilizaciis organizebaa.

_ anu es dokumenti imaze mianiSnebs,

rom „ocneba”, saerTa-

Soriso asparezze, kritikul

zRvars miuaxlovda?

_ adamiani an qveynis xelisufleba

SeiZleba, korufciaSic

daadanaSaulo da, jandabas,

iranisadmi dawesebuli sanqciebis

darRvevaSic, magram roca

gamoTqvam mosazrebas, rom

saqarTveloSi destabilizaciis

safrTxe arsebobs, es ukve SemaSfoTebeli

signalia!

_ destabilizaciis sababi

SeiZleba, daviTgarejis Tema

gaxdes?

_ destabilizaciis sagani

giorgi ruruas ganTavisufleba

an is gaxdes, rom xval romelime

policielma adamiani arasworad

daakavos. aseve destabilizaciis

sagani SeiZleba, daviTgarejis,

hesebis Tema an, sulac, is gaxdes,

rac SarSan pankisSi moxda. msgavsi

sababi mravaljer gvinaxavs.

_ e. i., ruseTi saqarTveloSi

destabilizaciis provocirebas

„ocnebis” xeliT gamoiwvevs?

_ provocirebas ruseTis

wertilovani interesebis

gamtarebeli sxvadasxva jgufi

gamoiwvevs, „ocnebis” pasuxismgeblobaze

ki imitom saubroben,

rom is xelisuflebaSia, Tumca

destabilizaciis organizebaSi

partniori SesaZloa, opoziciidanac

hyavdes, radgan Semdeg

yvelaferi mas gadaabralos, magram

amerikelma politikosebma

aqcentebi zustad dasves _ yvelaferze

pasuxismgebloba xelisuflebas

ekisreba!

_ ki batono, magram zemox-

senebul amerikul moxsenebaSi

pirdapir ivaniSvilia naxsenebi.

_ xelisuflebis ministrebi

gamodian da amboben, qveynis stabilurobis

garanti erTi kaciao.

`Tu sazRvris demilitarizaciisa da demarkaciis xelSekruleba jer gaformebuli

araa, maSin sakiTxavia, azerbaijaneli mesazRvreebi saqarTvelos teritoriaze

ratom dganan? Tu es sakiTxi gadawyvetilia, maSin ratom gvimalaven? mokled,

saqarTvelos xelisuflebis mimarT seriozuli eWvebi arsebobs!~

arada, am „erT kacs” saxelmwifo

Tanamdeboba ar ukavia. roca

mTeli xelisufleba amas aRniSnavs,

aba, amerikelebma destabilizaciis

mcdeloba vis daabralon?

es xalxi ivaniSvilis

uazro qebiT ukve imdenad gaer-

To, rom msoflios qarTvelobaze

sxvanairi warmodgena eqmneba!

ki batono, SegiZlia, ivaniSvili

giyvardes, Tumca siyvaruli

arafer SuaSia, ubralod, is maTi

keTildReobis garantia da amitom

epirferebian, magram gana

SeiZleba, rom piradi keTildReobis

gamo qarTuli saxelmwifo

dartymis qveS daayeno da Tavadve

amtkico is, rac saxelmwifosTvis

yvelaze Semarcxvenelia?!

_ maSasadame, amerikelebs

ivaniSvilze informacia Tavad

„ocnebam” miawoda da „naciona-

lebis” lobistebs tyuilad

sdeben brals, ara?

_ diax, „ocnebis” moqmedebebi

swored aseTi daskvnis gakeTebis

safuZvels iZleva. imas, rasac

Cveni ministrebi akeTeben, Sua

saukuneebSic ar akeTebdnen da

dRes ase mxolod putinis

ruseTSi amboben, rom saxelmwifoebriobis

garanti erTi kacia!

„vefxistyaosnisa” da „galobani

sinanulisanis” avtori erisTvis

aseTi raRacis keTeba mxolod

sircxvili ki araa, pragmatuli

TvalsazrisiTac, amaze

mTeli msoflio reagirebs da ama

Tu im qveynidan mosuli uaryofiTi

werilebic amiTaa ganpirobebuli!

simarTle giTxraT, ver vxvdebi,

„ocneba” ase ratom iqceva?

imitom, rom qebis gamo viRac or

kapiks miscems an Tanamdebobaze

daniSnavs, qveynis ase daqceva

SeiZleba?

_ batono mamuka, am kiTxvaze

pasuxs, cxadia, me ver gagcemT.

amitom saubris Temas Sevcvli

da miTxariT, bolo dros gare-

jis sakiTxi ratom gaaqtiurda?

_ daviwyoT imiT, rom ruseTi

dainteresebulia, saqarTvelos

teritoriaze rac SeiZleba meti

`ra Tqma unda. Tavis droze CavTvaleT, rom

qarTulma eklesiam daviTgareja walkotad

aqcia da problema aRar arsebobda, magram

bolo 15 welia, es udavo sakiTxi isev sadavo

gavxadeT da, bolos da bolos, vinmes

pasuxismgebloba unda dadges!~

konfliqti iyos. amasTan, ruseTs

unda, rom saqarTvelos, ruseTis

garda, problemebi sxva qveynebTanac

Seeqmnas da amas akeTebs

kidec _ gamodis da mTel msoflios

eubneba, CemTan ra gindaT,

roca saqarTvelos problemebi

ukrainasTanac aqvso, anu ruse-

Ti imis warmoCenas cdilobs, rom

saqarTvelo viTarebas, TiTqos,

sxva mezoblebTanac ver agvarebs.

garda amisa, ruseTs unda, rom

saqarTveloSi daZabulobis kera

mudmivad iyos. es ki rusul agenturas

saSualebas miscems, iseTi

wertilovani qmedebebi Caidinos,

romliTac moyanyalebuli saxelmwifo

navi SeiZleba, amotrialdes!

aqve, garejis sakiTxze saqar-

Tvelos xelisuflebis damokidebulebac

unda vaxsenoT.

_ kerZod?

_ Cvens xelisuflebas azerbaijanis

saxelmwifosTan garkveuli

finansuri interesi aqvs

da amis Sesaxeb bevri iwereba. ver

vityviT, rom yvelaferi marTalia,

magram faqti faqtad rCeba.

aqedan gamomdinare, saqarTvelos

xelisufleba saxelmwifo

interesebis dacvas Tavs aridebs.

yvelafer amis dasturad ki

erTi magaliTic kmara: Tu sazRvris

demilitarizaciisa da demarkaciis

xelSekruleba jer gaformebuli

araa, maSin sakiTxavia,

azerbaijaneli mesazRvreebi

saqarTvelos teritoriaze ratom

dganan? Tu es sakiTxi gadawyvetilia,

maSin ratom gvimalaven?

mokled, saqarTvelos xelisuflebis

mimarT seriozuli

eWvebi arsebobs! sxvaTa Soris,

garejis Temas ramdenime mdgeneli

aqvs, maT Soris, politikuri

da istoriuli. samwuxarod, saqarTveloSi,

xelisuflebis miSvebiT,

dResac gamoicema iseTi istoriuli

naSromebi, romelTa

mixedviTac es teritoriad saer-

To mflobelobaSia gamocxadebuli.

iciT, Tavis droze, ivane

javaxiSvilis, pavle ingoroyvas,

simon janaSiasa Tu niko berZeni-

Svilis naSromebi ratom aikrZala?

_ ratom?

_ imitom, rom am naSromebSi

istoriuli WeSmariteba ewera,

magram Semdeg moskovidan movida

debuleba, rom yvela sakiTxi

leninuri internacionalizmis

kuTxiT ganxiluliyo da qarTvelma

mecnierebma zemoxsenebuli

istorikosebis mier dadasturebuli

debulebebis e. w. saerTod

gamocxadeba daiwyes, raSic leninuri

premiebi miiRes. yvelafer

amis gamo ki ukve is eWvi arsebobs,

rom daviTgareja qarTuli

teritoria araa da herebic,

Turme, albanuri tomebi yofilan,

Tbilisamde albanuri teritoriaa

da igive asureli mamebic

monofizitebi iyvnen.

erTi sityviT, istoria saeWvo

Cvenve gavxadeT da swored

qarTvel mecnierebze dayrdnobiT,

azerbaijani saerTaSoriso

konferenciebsa da simpoziumebs

awyobs, sadac am masalebs saku-

Tari simarTlis dasadastureblad

iSveliebs.

azerbaijanel sazogadoebas,

qarTvel e. w. mecnierebze dayrdnobiT,

sul ufro da ufro umyardeba

pozicia, rom daviTgareja

albanuri teritoriaa. metic:

ramdenime wlis winaT azerbaijanma

albanuri marTlmadidebluri

eklesia Seqmna.

_ rogor?

_ azerbaijanSi erTi patara

sofelia, sadac albanelebis

STamomavlebi cxovroben. am albanur

eklesias imisTvis amuSavebs,

rom daviTgareja moiTxovos,

anu xval SeiZleba, dadges

sakiTxi da Tqvan, is, rac daviTgarejis

garSemo xdeba, or religiur

subieqts Soris davaa,

anu albanuri da qarTuli eklesia,

ubralod, qonebas ver iyofen,

Torem es teritoriuli

dava ar ariso.

_ e. i., xelisuflebis Secvlis

Semdeg daviTgarejis Tema sx-

vanairad unda ganvixiloT?

_ ra Tqma unda. Tavis droze

CavTvaleT, rom qarTulma eklesiam

daviTgareja walkotad aqcia

da problema aRar arsebobda,

magram bolo 15 welia, es

udavo sakiTxi isev sadavo gavxadeT

da, bolos da bolos, vinmes

pasuxismgebloba unda dadges!

sxvaTa Soris, afeTqebis Semdeg

Tqves, rom saydrisSi muzeums

akeTeben, magram iqve ganacxades,

am Zeglis xnovaneba saeWvoao.

Se kai dedmamiSvilo, mTel

msoflioSi artefaqtebs asaks

umateben, Cven ki imitom, rom saydrisis

afeTqeba gavamarTloT,

Cvenive xeliT vwerT, Zveli

araao.

mokled, yvelafer amas unda

gadavxedoT da vinc saqarTvelos

interesebs azianebs, yvelas

mkacri pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi

unda dadges!

N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.

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ra kavSiri aqvs moaxloebul

arCevnebs „media Trevelis” skan-

dalTan? ramdeni aTasi motexa

politpatimrad

Seracxulma

afxaiZem? sad imaleba axla is? ra

Caifiqra prokuraturam? ratom

sTxovs daxmarebas saqarTveloSi

amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis

elCs turistuli kompaniis

direqtori? _ amis Sesaxeb „qronika+”-s

Tavad irakli gogoriS-

vili esaubreba:

_ irakli, Tqven gviTxariT,

rom polipatimrad Seracxulma

SoTa afxaiZem gadagagdoT da amis

gamo SeiZleba, cixeSi aRmoCndeT.

iqneb, ufro gasagebad mogviyveT,

ra xdeba?

_ pirvel rigSi, didi madloba,

rom „qronika+” dainteresdiT im

mdgomareobiT, rac turistuli

kompania „media Trevelis” direqtor

irakli gogoriSvilis garSemo

Seiqmna. prokuror Tea kutalaZes

mcdeloba aqvs, rom Cveulebrivi

samoqalaqo davis sagani

gadaiqces sisxlis samarTlis

saqmed. yvelaze amazrzeni da saSineli

isaa, rom Woris safuZvelze

aZleven aRniSnul saqmes politikur

elfers.

monaWoris doneze saubroben,

rom, Turme, me var xaTuna gogoriSvilis

Zma. Turme, me viyeneb mis

saxels. Turme, misi daxmarebiT

vCaliCob vizebze da vmuSaob

amerikis mimarTulebiT. monaWoris

doneze saubroben, rom Turme, xa-

Tunas amerikis saelCosTan aqvs

kavSiri da is Cabmuli iyo savizo

saqmianobaSi. es yvelaferi aris

mtknari sicrue! sicruesac aitanda

kaci, magram Cven, faqtobrivad,

miviReT gasuli saukunis 37 weli,

rodesac adamianebs iWerdnen viRacis

monaWorze. maSin mTavari iyo,

vinmes rame eTqva da amis dasabuTebas

aravin iTxovda. adamianebs

akavebdnen da xvretdnen. axlac

aseTi suraTia. Zalian undaT Cemi

dakaveba, raTa Semdeg xaTuna

gogoriSvilze iqonion gavlena.

_ sanam xaTuna gogoriSvilze

visaubrebdeT, gviTxariT, Tu ra-

tom daiwyo gamoZieba ?

_ turistuli kompania „media

Treveli” 2010 wlis oqtomberSi

davafuZne. 2018 wlamde Zalian kargad

vmuSaobdi. klientebi kmayofilebi

iyvnen Cveni momsaxure-

xaTuna gogoriSvilis winaaRmdeg

Cveni sazogadoeba male, savarau-

Sorena marsagiSvili

dod, axali politikuri skandalis

599 92 16 22

momswre gaxdeba. „qarTuli ocneb-

is” mier politpatimris statusiT

gamoSvebuli SoTa afxaiZis wyalobiT, prokuraturam SesaZloa,

„evropuli saqarTvelos” erT-erTi lideris, xaTuna gogoriSvilis

winaaRmdeg gamoZieba daiwyos. saqme Tu ar aRiZreba, opozi-

cioners Savi piaris agoreba garantirebuli aqvs. gogoriSvils

turistuli kompania „media Trevelis” gamo mosdeben Sars, romlis

damfuZnebelic parlamentis wevris naTesavi irakli gogor-

iSvilia. parlamentis wevri saqmeSi ukve figurirebs.

irakli gogoriSvili:

`daWeras mipireben,

rom zewoliT

xaTunas winaaRmdeg

mimaceminon Cveneba~

rogorc irakli gogoriSvili

„qronika+~-sTan acxadebs, SoTa

afxaiZem da mamuka merabiSvilma

misi kompania gakotrebis piras

miiyvanes. uamravi adamiani aR-

moCnda gadagdebuli, romlebsac

kompania nawil-nawil unazRau-

rebs zarals. marTalia, dazaraleb

ebulebis raodenoba ramdenime

aTeulia, magram kompanias mx-

olod orma adamianma uCivla.

erT-erTi maTgani policielia.

igi amtkicebs, rom xaTuna gogor-

iSvili irakli gogoriSvilis daa

da isini erTad „CaliCobdnen” vi-

zebze.

22

biT. 2018 wels daiwyo kompaniis

ganzrax gakotreba. 2018 wlamde

aranairi seriozuli problema ar

Semqmnia. iyo saqmeebi, romlebic ar

gamosula. im adamianebs, visi

saqmec ar gamogvivida, yovelTvis

ukan vubrunebdi Tavis fuls.

2017 wels Suamavlebis meSveobiT

damikavSirdnen mamuka merabiSvili

da SoTa afxaiZe. isini estoneTisa

da lietuvis mimarTulebiT

muSaobdnen. me rogorc

miTxres, iq saqarTvelodan Casul

adamianebs dasaqmebaSi exmarebodnen.

Tqvens mkiTxvels SoTa

afxaiZis Sesaxeb ecodineba: is ramdenime

pirovnebasTan erTad telekompania

„kavkasiis” eTerSi momxdari

Cxubis gamo daakaves. 2012

wels „qarTulma ocnebam” is

politpatimris statusiT gamouSva.

am adamians piradad ar vicnobdi,

arc misi saqmianobis Sesaxeb vicodi

rame. Suamavlebma miTxres,

rom mas raRac urTierTobebi

hqonda amerikul kompania „cepasTan”.

ganmimartes, rom qarTulafxazuri

konfliqtis farglebSi

SeiZleba gakeTdes jgufebi da

pirovnebebi gaigzavnon treningze

amerikaSi.

rogorc mogvianebiT gavige,

afxaiZes TaRliTuri sqema hqonda

Cafiqrebuli. misi wyalobiT Cemma

kompaniam, sul mcire, 90.000 dolari

izarala. is kompaniisganac

iRebda Tanxebs da _ turistebisganac.

am saqmeSi araerTi gadaricxva

figurirebs. es dokumentebi me

maqvs da prokuraturasac warvudgine,

rogorc mtkicebuleba.

_ risTvis uxdidiT afxaiZes

fuls an Tqven, an _ turistebi?

_ mas unda gaewia momsaxureba

da amisTvis winaswar iTxovda

gasamrjelos. Suamavlebma kargad

damixasiaTes da Cvenc mivendeT am

adamians. is warmogvidgines,

rogorc amerikul kompania „cepasTan”

daaxloebuli piri.

_ am kompaniasTan ar gadaamow-

meT informacia afxaiZeze?

_ aRar gadamimowmebia, Suamavlebma

warmomidgines „cepadan” gamogzavnili

konkretuli sabuTebi.

_ rodis daiwyo problemebi?

_ afxaiZesTan TanamSromlobis

dawyebidan Zalian male daiwyo

problemebi. Cvengan gagzavnili

moqalaqeebi amerikaSi mTeli ori

Tve imyofebodnen, TiTqos, treningze.

afxaiZes, sinamdvilSi, sul

sxva mizani amoZravebda. mas surda,

rogorc kompaniisgan, aseve

konkretuli pirovnebebisgan, finansuri

sargebeli mieRo. tipuri

TaRliTi da gamomZalvelia.

raRac periodis Semdeg seriozuli

eWvebi gamiCnda da „cepas”

xelmZRvanel eduard lukass davukavSirdi.

maTi saTavo ofisi

londonSi mdebareobs. am adamianma

afxaiZesTan yovelgvari kavSiri

uaryo. amis Semdeg mivxvdiT, rom

saqme gvqonda TaRliTur sqemas-

Tan, magram ukve Zalian dagvianebuli

iyo.

eduard lukasTan saubris Semdeg

gadavwyvite, davkavSirebodi

SoTa afxaiZes, magram is gauCinarda.

gauCinardnen, agreTve, Suamavlebi.

2018 wels mis winaaRmdeg

ukve saCivari Sevitane. aseve saCivari

Sevitane mamuka merabiSvilis

winaaRmdegac. manac didi ziani

mogvayena. jamurad, 150.000 dolaris

zarali miviReT. Cveni saqmianoba

Seferxda. me benzini gadamasxes

da mwvavdnen. Tavs esxmodnen

Cems arasrulwlovan Svilebs.

Zalian bevri cudi rame gadavitane.

marTalia, ori sarCeli mqonda,

magram arc erTxel ar misargeblia

advokatis momsaxurebiT.

_ ratom ar isargebleT?

_ maSinac ase vfiqrobdi da axlac

mimaCnia, rom es aris samoqalaqo

davis sagani. TiToeul moqalaqesTan,

vinc Cveni momsaxurebiT

isargebla, gaformebuli

gvqonda xelSekruleba. gamowerili

iyo invoisebi, Tanxis gasavlisa

da Semosavlis orderebi.

aseve aRricxulia aviabileTebisa

da sastumros xarjebic. saqmeSi

devs gadaricxvebi. amis miuxedavad,

prokurorma saqmes sisxlis

samarTlis kvalifikacia misca.

zemoT rogorc aRvniSne, axla cdiloben,

politikuri elferi miscen,

rac CemTvis miuRebelia, miT

umetes, rom es yvelaferi mona-

Worzea dafuZnebuli da realobasTan

Sors aris.

_ miTxariT, rom ori saCivari

SeitaneT. faqtia, aqeT SegeqmnaT

problemebi. saCivari ukan Semogi-

brunes?

_ ara. Cemi Setanili saCivari

arc ki ixileba. arsebobs erTi

policieli, romelsac Cveni kompania

emsaxureboda. axla man sami

wlis Semdeg misca Cveneba, rom

TiTqos xaTuna gogoriSvili aris

am saqmis erT-erTi figuranti.

mTeli ubedureba isaa, rom

prokurori raRac saocrebebs

akeTebs. saqmis arc erTi realuri

figuranti dakiTxuli ar aris.

amis garda, saqmeSi CarTuli arian

„qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgenlebic.

isini ufro mamuka merabiSvilis

saqmeSi monawileoben. mamuka

merabiSvilze sxva dros visaubreb

detalurad.

sami welia, saCivari maqvs Setanili

da igi dRemde arc daukiTxavT.

arc SoTa afxaiZe daukiTxavs

vinmes. es pirovneba gru-sTan TanamSromlobaSia

SemCneuli. amis

Sesaxeb Zalian bevri rame vici. kargi

iqneba, gamoZieba amiTac Tu

dainteresdeba.

_ afxaiZe rom gru-sTan Tanam-

SromlobaSia SemCneuli, amis dam-

amtkicebeli sabuTi gaqvT?

_ konkretuli sabuTi ar maqvs,

riTac afxaiZis gru-sTan Tanam-

Sromloba dasturdeba, magram

maqvs seriozuli informacia.

rogorc CemTvis gaxda cnobili,

afxaiZe axla moskovs afarebs Tavs.

mas specifikur davalebebs

aZlevdnen da ucxoeli diplomatebis

mimarTulebiT unda emuSava.

politpatimrad wodebulma gamoiyena

yvela mis xelT arsebuli

berketi, raTa es Tanxebi mieTvisebina.

axla mas veranairad vukav-

Sirdebi.

_ zemoT miTxariT, Suamav-

lebic gaqrneno da ase erTad

rogor gaqra yvela?

_ aba, ra giTxraT?! _ faqtia,

gaqrnen! arada, problemebi rom

Seiqmna, Suamavlebi valdebulebas

àSkarad vxedav, rom Cemi meSveobiT undaT

xaTuna gogoriSvilze zewola an garkveuli

zegavlenis moxdena. arc isaa SemTxveviTi,

rom arCevnebis win ganixilaven am saqmes

daCqarebulad. etyoba, xaTunas ganeitraleba

gadawyvites~

iRebdnen, rom afxaiZes Tanxas

daabrunebinebdnen. axla isini mimalulebi

arian. zogierTi maTgani

qveynidan gaiqca.. me araerTxel

mqonda Sansi, rom saqarTvelodan

gavqceuliyavi. araerTxel maqvs am

wlebis ganmavlobaSi qveynis sazRvari

gadalaxuli, magram yovelTvis

ukan vbrundebodi. gaqcevas

arc momavalSi vapireb, magram diplomatiur

korpuss SeiZleba, daxmareba

vTxovo.

_ maT ratom unda sTxovoT

daxmareba?

_ aSkarad vxedav, rom Cemi meSveobiT

undaT xaTuna gogoriSvilze

zewola an garkveuli zegavlenis

moxdena. arc isaa SemTxvevi-

Ti, rom arCevnebis win ganixilaven

am saqmes daCqarebulad. etyoba,

xaTunas ganeitraleba gadawyvites.

_ miTxariT, rom policieli

CvenebaSi ambobs, TiTqos xaTuna

Tqveni daa. ramdenadac vici, ar

xarT axlo biZaSvilebi. roca Ju-

rnalisti iyaviT, Tqven sakmaod

daZabuli urTierToba gqondaT

masTan.

_ ar dagimalavT da getyviT,

rom xaTuna gogoriSvili Cemi

naTesavia. iseve rogorc Cemi naTesavebi

arian daviT saganeliZe, sandro

bregaZe, zurab cqitiSvili,

zaza sioriZe.

_ ranairad genaTesavebian es

adamianebi?

_ isini, xaTunas msgavsad, Cemi

Svilebis naTliebi arian. araerT

cnobad saxesTan makavSirebs na-

Tel-mironoba. me var Jurnalisti,

romelsac saakaSvilis reJimi

devnida, xaTuna ki im xelisuflebas

warmoadgenda. ise moxda, rom

Cemi saqmianobis gamo Cemi meuRle

parlamentidan daiTxoves. Cemi

meuRle wlebia, aRar muSaobs parlamentSi.

viRacebi ki amtkiceben,

rom TiTqos parlamentis angariSebsac

ki viyenebdiT.

_ ra gamodis _ erTia, rom

Tqven finansurad dazaraldiT da

meorea, rom am saqmes xaTuna go-

goriSvilis winaaRmdeg iyneben?

_ asea. ukve karga xania, rac

davinaxe, rom am saqmis xaTunas

winaaRmdeg gamoyeneba undaT.

Zalian undaT Cemi dakaveba. Cems

xelT arsebuli informaciiT, am

saqmeSi policiis maRalCinosnebic

arian CarTulebi. Tqveni gazeTis

meSveobiT saqmis prokurors vuTvli:

an sikvdili, an gamarjveba. Cemi

dakaveba sikvdilis tolfasia. gamarjveba

iqneba imis damtkiceba,

rom me marTla momadga ziani.

_ dakaveba Zalian cudia, ma-

gram sikvdilze ratom saubrobT?

_ janmrTeloba Seryeuli maqvs

da SeiZleba, cixeSi raRac momivides.

an me ratom unda wavide

cixeSi, roca TaRliTebma realurad

aqeT damazarales?! me vcxovrob

saxlSi, romelic im period-

Si wamarTves.

_ Tu wagarTves, ranairad cx-

ovrobT iq?

_ amas Tu cxovreba hqvia! nebi-

22 N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.


SeiZleba, gamoZieba daiwyos?

smier wuTs velodebi gamosaxlebas.

sad aris logika, rom aTeulobiT

aTasi dolari Semomsvloda da

Svilebi da moxuci deda dametovebina

quCaSi? 12.000 dolars ver gadavixdidi?

absurdia.

_ gamosaxlebas ratom elodeb-

iT?

_ imitom, rom Cemi bina auqcionze

gaitanes.

_ rodis?

_ 2018 wlis ivlisSi bina wagvarTves.

sasamarTloSi sarCeli

Sevitane, magram yvela instancia

wavage. me rom am saqmis gamoZieba

da simarTlis dadgena ar mindodes

da marTla TaRliTi viyo, gaviqceodi.

bolo sam weliwadSi

saqarTvelodan, sul mcire, aTjer

gavedi. Tanxa marTla me rom mimeTvisebina,

waviRebdi im fulsac

da sazRvargareT moviwyobdi cxovrebas.

mgoni, isic bevr rameze

metyvelebs, rom arc erT etapze

ar myolia advokati.

_ es cota ucnauri da gaugo-

nari ambavia.

_ mimaCnia, rom es saqme samoqalaqoa

da igi advokats ar saWiroebs.

advokati ara, magram aSS-is sael-

Cos daxmareba ki mWirdeba. „qronika+”-is

meSveobiT mivmarTav aSS-is

saelCos da konkretulad, qalbaton

elCs. aSkaraa, rom es qalbatoni

saqarTveloSi mimdinare procesebs

didi gulisyuriT adevnebs

Tvals. am saqmesac unda miaqcios

yuradReba.

_ am saqmes ratom unda miaq-

cios yuradReba?

_ imitom, rom undaT, am saqmes

politikuri elferi miscen, rac

dauSvebelia. Cven aRiarebuli gvaqvs

valdebuleba da mzad varT, Se-

Zlebisdagvarad, davubrunoT dazaralebulebs

Tanxebi. magram policieli,

romlis Cvenebazec gesaubreT,

bevrad met Tanxas iTxovs

_ imaze mets, vidre Semoitana.

safuZvlianad veWvob, rom Cvengan

fulis gamoZalva undaT. samwuxarod,

amas xels afarebs prokurori

Tea kutalaZe. romelic arc erT

sabuTs ar gascnobia. arada, uamravi

sabuTi warvadgine. es sabuTebi

erTad rom naxoT, SeiZleba,

gaogndeT. sabuTebidan kargad

Cans, rom saqmeSi SoTa afxaiZe da

mamuka merabiSvili figurireben.

_ mamuka merabiSvili vin aris,

ras warmoadgens? masze araferi

giTqvamT.

_ mamuka merabiSvili gaxlavT e.

w. biznesmeni. is estoneTSi moRvaweobs,

romelsac am qveyanaSi

ocamde saqarTvelos moqalaqe

unda daesaqmebina. mis saxelze ramdenime

aTeuli aTasi evroa gadaricxuli,

magram man aravin daasaqma.

aman Zalian dagvazarala. adamianebi

orjer da samjer Cadiodnen

estoneTSi. maT xarjebs Cven vanazRaurebdiT.

sabolood, gakotrebis

piras migviyvanes. aRarafers

vambob im Tavdasxmebze, rac Cem

winaaRmdeg ganxorcielda. saku-

Tar Tavs ar vCivi, Cems Svilebs

emuqrebodnen.

_ vin emuqreboda?

_ uamravi vinme. Zalian bevri

muqaris Semcveli werili miviReT.

_ prokuraturas ar hqonia

mcdeloba, afxaiZesa da merabiS-

vils dakavSirebodnen? rom ar

daukiTxavT, es ukve gviTxariT.

`Tqveni gazeTis meSveobiT

saqmis prokurors vuTvli:

an sikvdili, an gamarjveba.

Cemi dakaveba sikvdilis

tolfasia. gamarjveba

iqneba imis damtkiceba, rom

me marTla momadga ziani~

_ amis survilic ki ar gamouxatavs

prokuraturas. arc Suamavlebis

dakiTxva moundaT. darwmunebuli

var, prokurors am adamianebis

saqmeebi kargad aqvs Seswavlili

da amitomac ar unda maTi

dakiTxva.

maTi mizania, es saqme, rac Sei-

Zleba, male gadascen sasamarTlos.

policiels, romlis Cvenebazec

gesaubreT, gancxadeba 2018 welsac

hqonda Setanili Cven winaaRmdeg,

magram maSin is ar daukiTxavT. im

adamians arc xaTuna gogoriSvili

uxsenebia aqamde sadme. mxolod

axla dakiTxes da, ratomRac, xaTuna

axsena.

_ rodis dakiTxes es adamiani?

_ sadRac, martSi. ramdenime

Tvis win am saqmes politikuri

Seferiloba misces. aranairi mtkicebuleba

ar aqvT, rom saqmeSi xa-

Tuna gogoriSvilia CarTuli, magram

amtkiceben, rom is Cemi daa da

Cabmuli iyo savizo saqmianobaSi.

axla Seecdebian, gaavrcelon xma,

rom xaTuna vizebis biznesiT saqmianobda,

me „mkriSavda” da fulebs

„apravebda”. mapatieT, JargoniT

vsaubrob, magram politikosebma es

stili daamkvidres. Turme xaTuna

Cems zurgs ukan amofarebuli

muSaobda. 2018 wlamde ise vimuSave,

erTi problemac ar Segvqmnia.

mTel rig ucxour kompaniebTan

vTanamSromlobdi. raSi mWirdeboda

vinmes saxelis gamoyeneba? an xa-

Tunas saxeli ratom unda gamomeyenebina?

avdgebodi da iseTi adamianis

saxels amovefarebodi, vinc am

xelisuflebasTan aris daaxloebuli.

uaxloes dReebSi axalgazrda

iuristTa asociacias mivmar-

Tav. maTgan iuridiuli konsultacia

mWirdeba. Cemi dakiTxvebi gr-

Zeldeba. axla igegmeba dazaralebulebis

dakiTxvac. unda vTxovo

maT, rom simarTle ilaparakon da

Tqvan is, Tu ramdenjer Cavidnen

vilniussa da varSavaSi, sadac Sexvdnen

SoTa afxaiZes, romelic maT

saqmis gakeTebas dahpirda. isic

unda vTxovo, rom ar dahyvnen prokuraturis

zewolas da maTTvis

sasurveli Cveneba ar miscen. sainteresoa

isic, rom dazaralebulia

asamde adamiani. Cven winaaRmdeg

mxolod orma Seitana saCivari.

_ Tqvenma kompaniam muSaoba

SeaCera, Tu isev saqmianobT?

_ CaTvaleT, rom ofisi aRar

gvaqvs. dazaralebulebis nawili

movida da protestis niSnad iq

daiwyo cxovreba. muSaobis saSualeba

ar mqonda. dacvis samsaxuri

rom ara, axla SeiZleba, cocxalic

ar vyofiliyavi. saxlidan vmuSaob.

vimeoreb: veWvob, rom Cem daWeras

gegmaven. dakavebis Semdeg,

didi albaTobiT, Cemze zewola

ganxorcieldeba. axlave vacxadeb,

rom Tu xaTuna gogoriSvilis

winaaRmdeg rame Cvenebas mivcem, es

iqneba zewolis Sedegi.

`qarTuli ocneba~ rom sibrmavisken wavida, es ar niSnavs, sxvac brmaa~

rogor afasebs opozicia aWaris mTavrobis

xviCa mamulaZe

muSaobas pandemiasTan brZolaSi da ra gegmebi da

molodini aqvs mas saarCevnod aWaraSi? ereva Tu ara

levan varSalomiZe partiis gadawyvetilebebis miRebaSi?

N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.

aRniSnuli Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+”

aWaris regionSi „erTiani nacionaluri

moZraobis” deputat asmaT diasamiZes esaubra:

_ qalbatono asmaT, rogor SeafasebT

aWaris mTavrobis muSaobas pandemiasTan

brZolis dros?

_ pandemiam sulze mouswro „qarTul

ocnebas”, gansakuTrebiT ki premier-ministr

giorgi gaxarias, radgan maTi reitingi

sakmaod dabali iyo. xelisufleba maqsimalurad

Seecada, Cveni pativsacemi eqimebis

resursis ukan gamagrebuliyo, _ ai, am

TeTr xalaTebs amofarebulebi cdilobdnen

TavianTi „SesaZleblobebis” warmoCenas.

arada, pandemia ar aris mxolod xalaTebisa

da samedicino brZola. ra Tqma unda,

maT gadamwyveti roli akisriaT, magram meore

fronti xelisuflebas unda gaexsna

ekonomiuri xaziT. magram ra miviReT?! _

uamravi SezRudva gamocxadda isedac

umuSevrobiT ganTqmul qveyanaSi. saqarTveloSi

da kerZod aWaris regionSi ver damisaxelebT

bolo 8-9 wlis ganmavlobaSi erT

mniSvnelovan socialur proeqts, romelic

gaTvlili iyo mosaxleobis keTildReobaze,

Cvens xvalindel dReze, adamianebis gr-

Zelvadian dasaqmebaze. kerZo piris mier

wamowyebuli mSeneblobebi saTvalavSi mosatani

ar aris, radgan is mxolod sakuTar

garemocvasa da axlobel-naTesavebs asaqmebs.

Tanac, aseTi obieqtebi swrafad Sendeba.

isic gasaTvaliswinebelia, rom 30-40%

unebarTvoa _ daSeneba-miSeneba tendeciad

iqca Cvens qveyanaSi: ician, rom Zvel baTum-

Si SezRudvaa da 5-sarTulian Senobaze metis

aSeneba ar SeiZleba. meriaSi aiReben am

uflebas, yvela proceduras gaivlian, 4

sarTuls aaSeneben da zustad 4 sarTulze

rom avlen, mere Sedis proeqti daSenebaze.

es niSnavs xelisuflebis araswor politikas!

ar uSindebian sazogadoebis protests,

gulis tkivils, amomrCevlebTan vaWroben,

es Zalian guldasawyvetia.

„qarTulma ocnebam” „nacionaluri moZraobis”

dawyebuli proeqtebi, romelic

dasamTavrebeli iyo, araferi miiyvana bolomde,

riTac socialuri problemebi mogvardeboda.

pirveli etapi dasrulebuli

iyo da amas gagrZeleba sWirdeboda. faqtobrivad,

araferi gakeTda 8 weliwadSi garda

imisa, rom viRaca Zviriani saaTebis koleqcias

agrovebs da viRaca agarakebs

aSenebs, viRaca auzSi wyals asxams an ver

aswrebs da mezoblebi usxamen _ bevri

sasacilo da samarcxvino ram xdeba. am xelisuflebas

erTaderTi misia hqonda, rom

„nacionalebis” zednaSenze saqme miematebina,

magram yvela moswrebazea da sakuTari

biznesis mowyobas cdilobs. am karantinis

periodSi aRmoCnda, rom swored „qarTuli

ocnebis” maRalCinosnebis sastumroebi

muSaobda sakarantine sivrceebad, radgan

saxelmwifo amaSi fuls ixdida. adamianebi

amas yvelafers xedaven da rac mTavaria,

maTi naTesavi an axlobeli unda iyo, rom

dagasaqmon. bolo 2 wlis ganmavlobaSi

„qarTul ocnebas” pragmatulad moazrovne,

Zlieri, Wkviani adamianebis birTvi ganerida.

isini xomaldis CaZirvas adre grZnoben

xolme. pandemiac erTgvari testi iyo. magram

amas ver amoefareba „qarTuli ocneba”

_ xalxis kanonmorCilebiT da eqimTa

profesionalizmiT miRebul Sedegebs sakuTar

miRwevad nu asaRebs xelisufleba!

_ pandemiis periodSi ras akeTebda aWa-

raSi „erTiani nacionaluri” moZraoba?

rogor exmarebodiT Cvens Tanamoqala-

qeebs?

_ Cveni samomxmareblo kalaTa mokrZalebuli

iyo, magram mniSvnelovani im adami-

asmaT diasamiZe:

`2020 wlis arCevnebi

opoziciisTvis

mniSvnelovani

gamarjveba iqneba~

anebisTvis, visac es Zalian sWirdeboda.

amisTvis Cveni xelfasebi gaviReT, ara 30%,

rogorc „qarTulma ocnebam”, aramed 70%

da 2 aTasamde ojaxs davexmareT.

_ rogoria „erTiani nacionaluri”

moZraobis gegmebi saarCevnod aWaraSi?

_ „nacionaluri moZraoba” sakmaod reitingulia.

amis dasturia is, rom Cven bolo

arCevnebSi 800 aTasamde amomrCevelma mogvca

xma, amitom angariSs gviweven opoziciur

gaerTianebaSi. „nacionaluri moZraoba”

ar gaqra radarebidan, rogorc amas ambobda

yofili premieri. adamianebs mokle mexsiereba

ar aqvT, vgulisxmob amomrCevlebs.

isini adareben, rogor dros movida „nacionaluri

moZraoba” xelisuflebaSi da ra

gaakeTa. Cven vaRiarebT Secdomebs, vswavlobT

Secdomebze, rac mTavaria, vaanalizebT,

yvela arCevnebis Semdeg detalurad

gavdivarT, sad ra SegveSala, sad ufro aqtiurebi

unda vyofiliyaviT, sad ver gavakeTeT

is, risi resursic gvqonda da, Sesabamisad,

darwmunebuli varT, rom 2020 wlis

arCevnebi opoziciisTvis mniSvnelovani gamarjvebis

weli iqneba.

_ geyolebaT Tu ara aWaris regionSi

axali saxeebi?

_ wesieri, principebis erTguli adamianebi

sakmaod gvyavs partiaSi. aqve ixilavT

axal saxeebs, amaze vmsjelobT, Sesabamisad,

sakmaod woniani fondiT warvdgebiT amomrCevlis

winaSe da movipovebT ndobas.

_ rogor apirebT xmebis dacvas? Cven

gvinaxavs wina arCevnebze uamravi SemTxveva,

sadac arCevnebis gayalbebas cdilobdnen

da bevr saarCevno ubanTan kanondar-

Rvevac iyo...

_ uprecedento damswre eyoleba am

arCevnebs Cveni saerTaSoriso partniorebis

saxiT. xmebis dacva iqneba valdebuleba.

Rrmad var darwmunebuli, „qarTuli ocneba”

yvelafers gaakeTebs, yvela maqinaciiT

Seecdeba, sadac gauva, rogorme moipovos

xma. magram es didi brZola opoziciis gamarjvebiT

dasruldeba!

_ ereva Tu ara levan varSalomiZe

partiis gadawyvetilebebis miRebaSi?

_ ver vityvi, rom ereva, erTmniSvnelovnad

_ ara, magram Cven gvaqvs megobroba.

miT umets, am etapze saerTod ar ereva.

ambavs kiTxulobs, Tu ra situaciaa. igi

partiis lideri iyo da es aucilebelic

aris, magram viRacebs rom hgoniaT, yoveldRe

telefonzea, ase ar aris. Tumca misi

avtoriteti Zalian didia partiaSi. mas bevri

damsaxureba aqvs. Zalian guli mwydeba,

rom sakuTar qveyanaSi idevnebian patrioti

adamianebi, roca sxva qveyana maTze did

imedebs amyarebs da saxelmwifos ganviTarebas

andobs maT. „qarTuli ocneba” rom sibrmavisken

wavida, es ar niSnavs, sxvac brmaa.

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`gavrilovisa~ da ultrareaqcionerebis

albaT, esec unda gaviaroT, Tan

goCa mircxulava

bolomde amovwuroT Tavisi nega-

tiuri da pozitiuri SedegebiT,

yvela sxva SemTxvevaSi verafriT davixsniT Tavs am Savi Wir-

isgan, rasac sxvis sacvlebSi Zromialis politika hqvia. bolo

8 welia, saqarTveloSi yvelaze kargad seqsTemebi iyideba, gan-

sakuTrebiT ki seqsualur umciresobasTan dakavSirebuli

sakiTxebi da TemiT mudam tradiciuli qarTul-erovnuli

„gagebis mastebi” provocireben. mizani mudam politikaa. id-

iotia is, vinc fiqrobs, rom am Temis inspiratorebs marTla

aRelvebT, vin visTan wevs, gansakuTrebiT _ aratradiciulad.

metic: lgbtq Temis calkeuli warmomadgenlebi maTze mZafri

Tavdasxmebis dros xSirad iZulebulnic ki xdebian, Tavdam-

sxmelebis „obliko morale” sajarod gamofinon da, Turme,

„gagebis mastebic” wvanan xolme aratradiciulad.

principSi, sulac ar aris gaugebari,

ori wigni rom aqvs wakiTxuli,

im adamianisTvis, ras ukavSirdeba

mavanTa ukiduresi homofobia.

axla es ar aris mTavari Tema. Tema

is gaxlavT, rom homofobebi politikuri

dRis wesrigiT periodulad

iwyeben seqsualuri Temebis

Semogdebas da maT mudam aqvT imis

imedi, rom Cveulebrivi moqalaqeebis

arcTu umniSvnelo nawili,

romelTaTvisac yvelaferi aratradiciuli

erovnulobis warwymedis

tolfasia, advilad dauWeren

mxars. es mxardaWerac araerTxel

gvinaxavs. axla, rogorc Cans, isev

axal wreze wasvlis dro dadga da

Tan _ winasaarCevnod.

* * *

qveyanaSi, sadac verc erTma

politikurma Zalam ver SeZlo,

saxelmwifoebriobisken mimaval

gzaze, mkveTrad moexaza erovnuli

ideologiis konturebi (da aq

gaiTvaliswineT, ar vsaubrob

erovnulze, rogorc qarTulze,

aramed erovnulze, rogorc qveynis

mosaxleobaze, xalxze, saxelmwifos

moqalaqeebze), sakmaod advili

gaxda swored qarTvelebis

erovnul-tradiciuli grZnobebiT

manipulireba da Tan religiuri

konteqstiT. 2013 wlidan Seiqmna

da periodulad sakmaod „efeqtianad”

funqcionirebs „sxvebis(!) sajdomTa

dacva-gafrTxilebisa da

gadarCenis liga” da „ukanalis sadarajoze

mdgari raindebis ordeni”.

orive „organizacias” mWidro

kavSiri aqvs sapatriarqos calkeul

ZalebTan da gansakuTrebiT

zneobis sakiTxebze momuSave jgufTan,

romelsac mitropoliti Sio

xelmZRvanelobs. albaT, upriani

iqneboda, damewera mosaydre, Tumca

radgan misi es „tvirTi” yovlad

ukanonod, anu saeklesio wesebis

darRveviT aris „gansazRvruli”,

sruliad aramarTebulia avstraliisa

da axali zelandiis,

aseve senakisa da Cxorowyus mitropolitis

mosaydred moxsenieba.

mokled, erovnul-saxelmwifoebrivi

identobis ararsebobis

pirobebSi, sapatriarqo da misgan

marTuli urapatriotuli, antierovnuli

(igive, rac prorusuli)

Zalebi cdiloben warmoCndnen,

rogorc Zala, romelic erovnulnacionaluri

interesebis sadarajoze

dgas. radgan am Zalebis istoriulad

garyvnili „nastavnikebi”

saukeTeso Temad „garyvnis”

winaaRmdeg brZolas miiCneven mudmivad,

Cveni „liga” da „ordenic”

seqsualur umciresobebs upirispirdeba,

rogorc qveynis dam-

Rupvelebs. am Temis wamoweviTa da

mis winaaRmdeg „brZoliT” cdiloben

moixveWon erovnuli Zalebis

saxeli.

24

* * *

ramdenime wlis winaT konkretulma

pirma gadawyvita, sakonstitucio

sasamarTlosTvis miemarTa

erTsqesianTa qorwinebis dakanonebis

sarCeliT. am faqts didi

vnebaTa Relva da areuloba unda

mohyoloda. Semdeg am pirma interviu

misca „qronika+”-is mTavar

redaqtor eliso kilaZes.

aRniSnulis Taobaze Tavad

eliso kilaZe Semdegs acxadebs:

„nugzar tatiSvils _ „macacos”,

oTxi sarCeli Seatanines sakonstitucio

sasamarTloSi. interviuSi

miTxra, rom damkveTebi iyvnen

rusebi, RaribaSvilis naTesavebi,

nugzar fofxaZe da, arc meti arc

naklebi, Sorena TeTruaSvili! yvela

faqtis dasturad hqonda an

eleqtronuli fostis mimowerebi,

an _ audio Canawerebi! diax, es aris

maxe qarTuli saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg!

bolo seriaSi „asaval-dasavals”

unda daeWeqa, _ liberastebs

biZina da bera mfarvelobeno!”

mas Semdeg didi dro gavida,

araerTxel daupirispirdnen lgbtq

Tems urapatriotebi da eklesiis

ultrareaqciuli wreebis

warmomadgenlebi. saqme iqamdec

mivida, rom levan akinis filmis

„da Cven vicekvebT” premieras komblebiT,

qamrebiTa da TeTri cxvirsaxocebiT

aRWurvili zneobistebi

miuvardnen . maTTvis samwuxarod,

revoluciamde da masobriv

areulobamde verasodes mivida

saqme.

* * *

CvenTan, ratomRac, mieCvivnen,

rom msoflioSi mimdinare procesebi

ganyenebulad ganixilon. albaT

imitom, rom „iq” elarji da

xarCo ar ician da, Sesabamisad, sa-

Tanado politikuri gaTvlebic ar

SeuZliaT. da marTlac, ra kavSir-

Si SeiZleba iyos erTmaneTTan

Cizburgeri da mWadi? mapatieT _

ra kavSirSi SeiZleba iyos erTmaneTTan

rasizmi da erTsqesianTa

qorwinebis sakiTxi? aba, mainc vipovoT

kavSiri procesebs Soris:

CvenTan rasizmis Temis gaaqtiurebas

safuZveli ar gaaCnia, magram

Tu erTsqesianTa qorwinebis Tema

Ria politikuri debatebis xasiaTs

miiRebs _ risi saWiroebac ar aris

da rasac arc iTxovs (yovel SemTxvevaSi,

am etapze) lgbtq Temi _ ra

moxdeba? Zalian martivi ram _ sapatriarqos

reaqciuli Zalebis

garSemo daiwyeba politikuri

Zalebis dajgufeba.

CemTvis ucnobia, risTvis sWirdeboda

konkretul mediasaSualebas

„lelos” liderTan sxva Temaze

SeTanxmebuli intervius dros am

Temis Semogdeba?! magram cxadia,

rom raoden gulubryvilodac ar

unda momxdariyo es, swored rom

ultrareaqciul Zalebs mousworo

sulze. im Zalebs, romlebsac

qarTul politikaSi pozicionireba

nacionalisturi TemebiT surT.

im Zalas, romelsac saxelmwifoze

kontrolis daweseba unda.

cxadia, Tu Tema gaaqtiurdeba,

droSas erovnul-patriotuli

konteqstiT sapatriarqo daiWers

xelSi. bolo wlebis movlenebi

cxadyofs, rom sajdomis Temas yvelaze

ukeT iyeneben politikuri,

maT Soris, urapatriotuli da

ultraliberaluri Zalebi, personebi.

sapatriarqosTvis da zneobis

damcveli mosaydrisa da misi

mxardamWeri reaqciuli sasuliero

da saero ZalebisTvis ki sxvis

„moralze” zrunva wminda Temaa.

Ñâÿòîå, ra.

* * *

cota vrclad gavceT pasuxi

kiTxvas, _ winasaarCevno periodSi,

rodesac saxelmwifos winaSe uamravi

gamowvevaa, vis sWirdeba es

Tema swored axla?

yvelas kargad gvaxsovs calkeuli

personebis mier 2019 wlis 20

ivnisis Semdeg mimdinare aqciis

aqtivistebis marginalizebis mcdeloba

da calkeuli personebis saqiliko

frazebi: „SexedeT, vin mar-

Tavs aqciebs?!” anu gavrilovis

parlamentis Tavmjdomaris savar-

ZelSi Caskupebas geebi da seqsumciresobis

sxva warmomadgenlebi

aprotestebeno. es amoraluri adamianebi

arafrad dagideven imas,

amiT Seuracxyofas rom ayeneben

ara mxolod calkeul personebs,

aramed _ ideas. am politikuri

matrabazebisTvis absoluturad

gaugebaria samSoblos Rirebuleba,

romelic geisTvisac da Tundac

„ukanaskneli meZavisTvis” an,

gnebavT, upovrisTvisac, romlis

bedic saxelmwifos fexebze kidia,

Tanabari kategoriaa. samSobloa,

regvenebo, da is unda iyos aRSfoTebis

sagani, rom qveyanaSi mcxovrebma

romelime socialurma

`movlenebs Tu sworad gavaanalizebT,

`gavrilovis Ramis~ garda, yvela

mniSvnelovani ryeva qveyanaSi seqsualuri

Temis gaaqtiurebas moyva. yoveli aseTi Temis

dros gaZlierda sapatriarqo da misgan

marTuli ultrareaqciuli Zalebi, aseve

`scenaze~ brundebodnen mumiebi da

ultranacionalisturi suliskveTebis

personebi, dajgufebebi, romelTa kavSirebis

bma Crdiloel mezobelTan TvalnaTelia.

cxadia, procesSi sruliad gauazreblad

erTvebian sasargeblo idiotebic da

gulwrfeli emociebis mqone adamianebic.

sabolood ki ziandeba saxelmwifo.

jgufma sakuTari qveynis interesebi

ar daicvas. sad gesmiT amdeni?

magram aq problema is aris, rom

politikur matrabazebs konkretuli

politikuri miznebi aqvT,

xolo maT gulubryvilo momdevrebsa

da sasargeblo idiotebs

sakiTxis Rrmad gaazrebis arc

survili aqvT da arc _ SesaZlebloba.

axla, 2020 wlis 20 ivnisisTvis,

erTsqesianTa qorwinebisa da lgbtq

Temis wamoweva miznad isaxavs

ara mxolod calkeuli axalgazrdebisa

da jgufebis diskreditebas,

aramed yvela politikuri

Zalis, vinc 20 ivniss sakuTari sam-

Soblos Rirsebis Selaxvis aqtis

momswre gaxda. 20 ivnisi, pirvel

rigSi, gavrilovis Tavxedoba da

parlamentis eqsTavmjdomaris

politikuri utifroba gaxlavT,

rasac Sedegad moyva „gavrilovis

Rame”... da gavrilovis Tavxedobis

gadafarvis mcdeloba imiT, rom

viRac policias daupirispirda da

es viRac, maincdamainc, lgbtq adamiania,

romlis gverdiTac samSoblos

dacvaze saubari sircxvilia,

gavrilovis mxardaWera da saku-

Tari samSoblosTvis Tavs lafis

dasxmaa. Tumca axla mTavaria, rom

procesSi moxdes politikuri

Zalebis diskreditebac, anu yvela

politikuri Zala, vinc gaaprotestebs

gavrilovis Tavxedobas,

unda warmoCndes, rogorc lgbtqsa

da erTsqesianTa qorwinebis

momxre, anu erovnuli Rirebulebebis

winaaRmdeg mebrZoli Zala.

sad erekle da ... diax, swored asea,

magram mizani es gaxlavT. ultrareaqciuli

da ultranacionalisturi

Zalebi cdiloben, procesebi

ise warimarTos, rom mis

mokavSired, Tundac, raRac etapze,

warmoCndes xelisufleba, radgan

es niSnavs xelisuflebis mxardam-

Weri adamianebis mimxrobas. cxadia,

amas xels uwyobs Tavad xelisuflebis

calkeuli warmomadgenlebis

absoluturad gauazrebeli

gancxadebebi. es adamianebi ver

xvdebian, rom 20 ivniss mec da uamravi

adamiani imitom mivediT parlamentTan,

rom samSoblos Rirseba

dagvecva da ara kobaxiZis skami,

romelic mas sulac ar adardebda,

rogorc simbolo, da misTvis mxolod

ukanalis dasasvenebeli adgili

aRmoCnda.

anu es aris „mavanis” mcdeloba,

sazogadoeba, politikuri jgufebi

kidev ufro Rrmad daupirispirdnen

erTmaneTs. miT ufro, rom

qarTuli sazogadoebis mumiebi

isev gamoCndnen da Riad acxadeben,

rom Turme 20 ivniss raRac Zalebi

apokalifss gegmaven da ar miscemen

aravis policiaze Setevis uflebas.

anu es mumiebi, romlebic uSualod

arian CarTulni saxelmwifos

winaaRmdeg provokaciaSi, amboben,

Cven davicavT policiaso. amiT

maT swored is surT, rac zemoT

aRvniSne _ xelisuflebisa da

misi mxardamWerebis keTilganwyoba.

xelisufleba valdebulia, sworad

waikiTxos procesis konteqsti,

radgan yvelaze metad is daziandeba.

veravis daarwmunebs, rom

Tema misi inspirirebuli ar aris,

miT ufro, gia volskis komentarebisa

da lali moroSkinas winaswarmetyvelebis

gaTvaliswinebiT.

* * *

ra Tqma unda, am saxifaTo vi-

TarebaSi aqciis organizatorebi

valdebulni arian(!), sworad gaiazron

procesi. Tu xelisufleba minimalurad

mainc iyo gulwrfeli im

SefasebebSi, rac 2019 wlis 20 ivniss

parlamentSi moxda, iqneb, uprianic

iyos, es dRe erTianad aRiniSnos,

rogorc samoqalaqo Tanxmobis

dRe. erTi umniSvnelovanesi

niuansic da amis gaTvaliswinebis

valdebuleba aqvT aqciis organizatorebs

da yvela gulSematkivars:

is, rom policiis mier Sesabamisi

qmedebebis dawyebamde aqciis

calkeulma monawileebma kanoni

daarRvies, unda vaRiaroT. amas ar

vambob, rogorc mxolod TviTmxilveli,

ixileT policiis qmedebebis

dawyebamde ramdenime wuTiT

adre saxalxo damcvel nino lomjariasa

da axalgazrda iuristTa

asociaciis Tavmjdomare sulxan

salaZis gancxadebebi. iseve rogorc

xelisuflebaa valdebuli,

kidev erTxel mouxados bodiSi im

moqalaqeebs, romlebic aranair gadatrialebaSi

ar monawileobdnen

da romelTa mimarT, calkeul SemTxvevebSi,

policiam Zalas gadaameta.

* * *

movlenebs Tu sworad gavaanalizebT,

„gavrilovis Ramis” garda,

yvela mniSvnelovani ryeva qveyana-

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èrTsqesiani~ dagegmili jvriswera CavSaloT!

Si seqsualuri Temis gaaqtiurebas

moyva. yoveli aseTi Temis dros

gaZlierda sapatriarqo da misgan

marTuli ultrareaqciuli Zalebi,

aseve „scenaze” brundebodnen

mumiebi da ultranacionalisturi

suliskveTebis personebi, dajgufebebi,

romelTa kavSirebis

bma Crdiloel mezobelTan TvalnaTelia.

cxadia, procesSi sruliad

gauazreblad erTvebian sasargeblo

idiotebic da gulwrfeli

emociebis mqone adamianebic. sabolood

ki ziandeba saxelmwifo.

amitom yvela valdebulia,

gonivrulad Seafasos viTareba. es

ar aris arc opoziciis dakninebisa

da arc xelisuflebis mdgradobis

gamocdis Tema. aris sakiTxebi,

sadac savaldebulo da aucilebelic

ki gaxlavT erovnuli da

politikuri Tanxmoba. ratom? 20

ivniss, realurad, „gavrilovi” da

qarTveli ultranacionalistebi

da ultrareaqcionerebi apireben

jvrisweras da Tu am ceremonias

CavuSliT, magari saqme iqneba.

* * *

gava garkveuli xani da im idiotur

mdgomareobas, romelSic Cven

dRes vimyofebiT, sircxvilnarevi

uxerxuli RimiliT gavixsenebT.

Zalian msurs, rom es uxerxuli Rimili

mainc mxiaruli iyos, Semdgari

da stabiluri ganviTarebis

gzaze mdgomi qveynis moqalaqeebis

Rimili, romlebic warsul Secdomebs

gamocdilebiT SeZenili sibrZniT,

warmatebuli awmyos myar

fundamentze mdgarni da Rirseul

momavalSi darwmunebulni gadahyureben.

sastikad ar minda, rom

es Rimili, meramdened ukve Cvens

Soreul Tu axlo istoriaSi, ga-

JRenTili iyos qarTvelebisTvis

im kargad nacnobi simwriT, romelic

sakuTar, dagvianebiT danaxul,

ugunurebiT gamowveul, gamousworebel

katastrofas ukavSirdeba.

erTxel mainc gavakvirvoT

mteri da davtovoT pirSi Calagamovlebuli.

erTxel mainc vanaxoT

xalxs _ saqarTvelo upirveles

yovlisa!

ambavi ori amerikisa

movlenebi aSS-Si nela-nela Cawynarda da viTare-

Tengiz abloTia

ba Cveul kalapots ubrundeba _ afroamerikelebma

orTqli gamouSves, TeTrkanianma ultralib-

eralebma kidev erTxel moixades bodiSi imis gamo, rac maTma Zalian, Zalian

Soreulma winaprebma Caidines da amiT, rogorc mosalodneli iyo, yvelaferi

dasrulda. ase araerTxel yofila da, albaT, kidev xSirad iqneba.

Tumca, amis miuxedavad, diskusiebi am

movlenebis irgvliv ar wydeba da, pirvel

rigSi, antiamerikuli propaganda arnaxulad

gaaqtiurda, maT Soris, saqarTveloSi,

gansakuTrebiT ki, socialur qselebSi.

es bunebrivicaa _ gasakviri is iqneboda,

antidasavlurad ganwyobil adamianebs es

Sansi xelidan rom gaeSvaT.

movlenebi, romelic zogierTma zedmetad

emociurma damkvirvebelma Seafasa,

rogorc „revolucia”, sinamdvileSi,

amerikuli masStabebiT, mcire da umniSvnelo

iyo _ rom ara masmedia, maT Soris,

amerikulic, faqtobrivad, araferi gansakuTrebuli

ar momxdara _ 16 Statis 25

qalaqSi jamurad ramdenime aTasma kacma

Calewa maRaziebis vitrinebi.

sul esaa! _ araferi uCveulo amerikisTvis,

sadac drodadro afroamerikeli

axalgazrdebi aseT rames akeTeben; arc

evropisTvis, sadac, magaliTad, parizSi

2005 wels Rarib gareubnebSi asobiT avtomobili

dawves.

yvela es „amboxeba” dasrulda arafriT,

radganac mis ukan araviTari gegma an Camoyalibebuli

ideologia ar idga, aseTi gamosvlebi

ki yovelTvis warumateblobisTvisaa

ganwiruli.

antirasistuli lozungebis egidiT ma-

Raziebis gaZarcva arasasiamovno sanaxaobaa,

Tumca, arsebiTad, is uwyinaria _ didi

raodenobiT mSvidobiani, magram principuli

adamiani, romelmac icis, ra surs, bevrad

ufro problemuria xelisuflebebisTvis,

vidre damrbevebisa da marodiorebis

brbo.

erT-erTi yvelaze bneli da gaunaTlebel

masebze gaTvlili sabWoTa revoluciac

ki SesaZlebeli gaxda mxolod principuli

da ideuri fanatikosebis didi

raodenobis wyalobiT.

araferi msgavsi am dReebSi StatebSi ar

yofila _ orTqli amouSves, muxti Caqra da

amiT yvelaferi dasrulda.

Tumca ukve Cavlilma amboxebam bevri

Zalian saintereso ram dagvanaxa _ magali-

Tad, is, Tu ramdenad tyuis antiamerikuli

propaganda, rodesac amerikul sazogadoebas

erT ferSi xatavs.

ras gviyvebian Cveni didi Crdiloeli

mezoblis momxreebi da mexotbeebi? pirvel

rigSi imas, rom amerikelebi arian sustebi,

qalaCunebi, rom maT kacuri Tvisebebi

dakarguli aqvT, sakuTari Rirsebis dacva

ar SeuZliaT da, saerTod, qveyana homoseqsualistebma

walekes.

ra davinaxeT am movlenebis dros? pirvel

rigSi is, rom amerika Zalian mravalferovania

da misi erTgvarovnad warmoCena

aris an uneblie Secdoma, an mizandasaxuli

propaganda. Cven naTlad davinaxeT, rom

amerikelebis warmoCena mxolod uxerxemlo

liberalebad Zalian Sorsaa realobisgan.

am dReebSi TeTrkaniani amerika vixileT,

romelmac daiCoqa da fexsacmelsac ki kocnida,

rac TavisTavad amazrzenia _ rasizmTan

brZola, ra Tqma unda, saWiroa,

Tumca ara vinmes da, pirvel rigSi, saku-

Tari Rirsebis Selaxvis fasad.

Tumca, amave dros, Cven sxva amerikac

vixileT _ sxvadasxva, ZiriTadad, respublikur

StatebSi, asobiT TeTrkaniani adamiani

gamovida gareT iaraRiT xelSi _ saku-

Tari quCebisa da qonebis dasacavad.

es meore amerika naklebad SesamCnevia

garedan, Tumca raodenobrivad aranaklebia,

vidre qveynis meore, liberaluri,

ZiriTadad, demokratiuli nawili.

da, ai, am adamianebze antidasavluri

propaganda jiutad dums _ radgan isini

sasurvel suraTSi _ uxerxemlo da „gapidarastebuli”

amerika _ aSkarad ver jdebian.

maT Sesaxeb Statebis gareT TiTqmis

aravin araferi icis. mTeli msofliosTvis

aSS aris niu-iorki, los-anjelesi, sanfrancisko,

Cikago da kidev ramdenime cnobili

megapolisi.

Tumca aris meore amerikac _ saSualo

sididis qalaqebi, arapolitkoreqtuli mosaxleobiT,

romelic quCebSi samoqalaqo

omis droindeli konfederaciis droSiT

dRemde dadis, romelic dResac

samxreTelebis armiis generlebs pativs

scems, mkvaxe gamonaTqvamebs ar erideba da

geiparadebi ezizReba. maTi arsebobis

Taobaze Cven TiTqmis araferi viciT da

amitomac Statebs aRviqvamT mxolod

rogorc ukidegano liberalizmis qveyanas,

rac Zalian mcdaria. realurad ki Statebi

zedmetad didi da mravalferovania imisTvis,

rom iyos erTgvarovani.

Statebi aris qveyana, romelic rasizms

ebrZvis, magram Tu saSualo TeTrkaniaTa

klasis raionSi Savkaniani dasaxldeba, es

iqaurebs Soris did ukmayofilebas iwvevs.

amerika politkoreqtuli qveyanaa, Tumca

amerikul filmebSi bevr arakoreqtul, rasistul

da homofobiur gamonaTqvamsac

gaigonebT. StatebSi seqsualuri orientacia

araa SezRuduli, Tumca mozardebs

Soris TviTmkvlelobebis 40% swored geebze

modis. aSS genialuri teqnologiebis

qveyanaa, sadac mosaxleobis did nawils

dazRvevac ki ar gaaCnia.

bolos da bolos, aSS gaxlavT ara erTi

qveyana, aramed ramdenime gansxvavebuli

qveynis sinTezi; aseve TeTri saSualo klasis

raionebi erTia, TeTri Raribebis ki _

meore, Savi getoebi _ mesame, xolo SeZlebuli

Savkanianebis raionebi _ meoTxe;

salvadorelebis mier dasaxlebuli ubnebi

los-anjelesSi _ es saerTod araa aSS,

es salvadoria, Tavisi bandebiT, mkvlelobebiT

da narkokartelebiT.

rodesac vambobT, rom „amerika liberaluri

da politkoreqtuli qveyanaa”, _ am

realobis ignorirebas vaxdenT.

ra Tqma unda, Statebi liberaluri qveyanaa

_ ufro swored, liberaluric... magram

ara mxolod liberaluri!

Statebi _ demokratebisa da respublikelebis,

memarcxeneebisa da memarjveneebis,

liberalebisa da konservatorebis naer-

Tia. amerikul filmebSi aseT dialogebs

xSirad moismenT: „is kargi biWia, magram samwuxarod,

demokrati” an „rogor dadixar

amasTan, is xom respublikelia?!”

Cven amas xumrobad miviCnevT, Tumca es

ase ar aris _ respublikelebi demokratebs

marTlac sustebad da uxerxemloebad,

xolo demokratebi _ respublikelebs uxeS

da uzrdel seqsist-rasistebad miiCneven.

simarTle ki isaa, rom amerika am orive

nawilis gareSe warmoudgenelia. demokratebi

_ es aris is, riTic amayobs mTeli qveyana:

teqnologiebi, sauniversiteto profesura,

silikonis veli, holivudi, Sou-biznesi,

erTi sityviT, amerikis inteleqti.

respublikelebi _ es aris jari, policia,

adamianebi, romlebic mzad arian, qveynis

dasacavad xelSi aiRon iaraRi, aseve saSualo

da mcire biznesi, muSaTa klasi, fermerebi.

demokratebi _ amerikelebis tvinia, respublikelebi

_ xerxemali. erTi meoris

gareSe warmoudgenelia. mxolod tviniT

cxovreba SeuZlebelia, iseve rogorc mxolod

xerxemliT.

es ori nawili daundoblad lanZRavs

erTmaneTs, Tumca ar iqneba erTi _ ar iqneba

meorec.

da sanam isini, ase, perioduli urTierTginebiT,

akeTeben erTian saqmes, oRond

frontis sxvadasxva monakveTze _ amerikas

araferi emuqreba.

da amas veranairi xulignebi ver Secvlian.

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goCa mircxulava


`xerxi sjobia Ronesa, Tu kaci moigonebsa~

politikuri Zalebis winasaarCevno sajaro Tavdajerebuloba

da rixi: „Cven movigebT arCevnebs!” _ pirvel rigSi, survilia

da mxolod nawilobriv eyrdnoba pragmatizmsa da ar-

gumentebs. nawilobriv imitom, rom rig SemTxvevaSi aranairi

pragmatizmi, argumentebi, logika, kvlevebi ar iZleva safuZvels,

rom am frazis warmomTqmeli politikuri lideri simarTles

eubneba amomrCevels. teleekranTan myofi amomrCeve-

li ki, romelic SesaZloa, sulac am lideris ojaxis wevri

iyos, sinanuliT gaaqnevs Tavs da sxva arxze gadarTavs. gana

imitom, rom Tavad ar apirebs ojaxis wevris mxardaWeras,

zustad icis _ im sadarbazoSi an quCaze, sadac cxovrobs, lid-

ers ori adamiani ar dauWers mxars.

vin moigebs 2020

politikosebsa da politikur

liderebs diaxac, sWirdebaT Tavdajerebuloba,

sakuTari mxardam-

Werebis rwmenaSi ganmtkiceba, maTi

mobilizeba, magram politikis sajaro

nawili sulac ar gaxlavT

„ra minda me”, politikis sajaro

nawilia _ „ra unda xalxs”... da am

procesSi TiToeul sityvas udidesi

mniSvneloba aqvs. politikossa

da politikur Zalas upiratesobas

sZens realobis aRqma da amis sworad

translireba. qarTuli opoziciis

SemTxvevaSi, rodesac mas

hyavs ricxvebSi asaxuli myari eleqtorati,

misi amocana unda iyos

mxardamWerTa raodenobis gazrda

(am SemTxvevaSi Tavi davaneboT im

mocemulobas, rom politikuri

partiebi _ rogorc xelisufleba,

aseve opozicia _ politikuri programebiT

ar pozicionireben da

axali ideebiT ver axerxeben momxreebis

rigebis zrdas), magram

rogor? 2012 wlis Semdeg, ufro

sworad, 2013 wlis saprezidento

arCevnebis Semdeg, opozicia mudmivad

acxadebs, rom daamarcxebs

„qarTul ocnebas”, anu acxadebs:

„Cven movigebT arCevnebs”. calke

sakiTxia kidev erTi gacveTili

slogani: „Cven davicavT xmebs”.

arCevnebis Semdeg aRmoCndeba, rom

opoziciam ver moigo. Tan daakvirdiT,

_ sul ufro da ufro naklebad

ismis xolme gancxadebebi, rom

arCvenebi gayalbda, anu es niSnavs,

rom xmebi daicves da ise damarcxdnen.

calke sakiTxia saarCveno

garemos, ufro zustad, administraciuli

resuris, Tema, uSualod

arCvenebis dRisTvis ki koordinatorebze

apelireba. realurad,

arc erTi da arc meore faqtori

ar aris gadamwyveti. opoziciasa

da yofil xelisuflebas ar

unda gaixsenos, rom adminresursi

ar aris gadamwyveti faqtori da

metic, 2012 wels, rodesac adminresurssac

„moswyinda” xelisuflebaSi

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

yofna, maT specubnebzec ki waages

arCevnebi. kidev erTi momenti: adminresursi

sulac ar gaxlavT ybadaRebuli

25%, realurad es ganwyobebisa

da sxva obieqturi garemoebebis

gaTvaliswinebiT 8-10%-

ia, maqsimum. amitom „Cven movigebT

arCevnebs!” _ dRevandel pirobeb-

Si sakmaod arapopularuli slogania

da rac mTavaria _ aradamajerebeli.

bolomde maqvs gaazrebuli,

ra aris swori slogani, magram

me ar gaxlavarT opoziciis

(sadac yvelam icis, ratomRac,

arCevnebi da teqnologiebi) saarCevno

konsultanti da, Sesabamisad,

ar vapireb maTTvis mza receptis

miwodebas, raoden ar unda vgulSematkivrobde

romelime politikur

Zalas.

kidev erTi umniSvnelovanesi

faqtori: amis Sesaxeb vwer da

vsaubrob bolo wlebia da, samwuxarod,

es mocemuloba ar icvleba.

anu opozicia acxadebs, rom is

daamarcxebs ivaniSvils. gTxovT,

daakvirdeT, _ daamarcxebs ivaniSvils!

ufro iSviaTad ismis fraza:

„davamarcxebT „qarTul ocnebas”.

amas moyveba xolme ganmartebebi,

rom amis Semdeg uamrav Temaze SeTanxmdebian,

rom aucilebelia,

pirvel rigSi, „Wiris”, „maoxrebeli

gziris” damarcxeba. da vinmes

aqvs gaanalizebuli, ras karnaxobs

qvecnobieri am frazebis mosmenis

Semdeg amomrCevels? rogorc

ityvian, feri ferso da aba, sxvagvarad

rogor iqneba, opoziciasa

da ara amomrCevels missave enaze

ar esaubros xelisufleba _

„qarTuli ocnebac” arCevnebSi

„nacmoZraobisa” da opoziciis damarcxebas

apirebs. yvela politikur

subieqts amocana arasworad

aqvs gaazrebuli da miT ufro,

maT mxardamWerebs. vinmes damarcxebiT

aSendeba qveyana? imis gamo,

rom politikur Zalebs ar surT

zedmetad aitkivon Tavi zemoT

naxsenebi programebiT, dapirebebiT

da sworad gansazRvron saku-

Tari strategia, Zalian martivia

amomrCevlis, gansakuTrebiT mxardamWerebis

emociebiT manipulireba

_ „davamarcxebT”! anu imis demonstrireba,

rom TviTon Zlieria,

misi mowinaaRmdege ki _ susti.

politikur subieqtebs ar surT,

xolo mxardamWerebi ver xvdebian,

rom amocana, mizani unda iyos gamarjveba

saxelmwifos ZlierebisTvis

da ara vinmes damarcxeba.

axla rac Seexeba „qarTul ocnebas”:

damoukideblobis period-

Si saqarTvelos xelisuflebaSi ar

arsebobda arc erTi politikuri

Zala, romelmac „ocnebis” darad

SeZlo amdeni TviTdazianeba mieyenebina

sakuTari TavisTvis. yvelafris

gaTvaliswinebiT, radgan

es Zala mimdinare etapze politikur

scenaze mTavari aqtoria,

zedmeti fiqri da gansja ar

sWirdeba imas, rom misi TviTgadarCenis

uzrunvelmyofeli umTavresi

faqtori biZina ivaniSvilia. amitom,

rodesac Tavad ivaniSvilis

mwir unarebze saubroben politikosebi

da swamT, sjeraT sakuTari

mosazrebebis _ isini cdebian. ivaniSvilis

unarebis wakiTxva da maTi

sworad Sefaseba am dromde verc

erTma politikurma gundma Tu

individma ver SeZlo. sxva SemTxvevaSi

axla ki ara, jer kidev, guSin

„ocneba” uimedo mdgomareobaSi

unda yofiliyo reanimaciaSi, ugonod

da Tan xelovnur sunTqvaze.

da mainc, „Cven movigebT arCevnebs!”

„qarTuli ocnebis” SemTxvevaSic

sulac ar emyareba gamarTul

partiul struqturebs,

ideologias, romlis deklarireba

am gundma vera da ver moaxerxa.

maTi Rirebulebebi da miswrafebebi,

romelic imdenadaa erTmaneT-

Si areuli Tundac yvelaze odiozuri

figurebis _ irakli kobaxiZisa

da gia volskis _ pirovnuli analizis

gaTvaliswinebiT, erTmniSvnelovani

daskvnis gakeTebis saSualebas

ar iZleva. arc „ocnebas”

esmis, ra unda xalxs! iq ician, ra

undaT Tavad. maTi „SemarTeba” imas

emyareba, rom yvela wina arCevnebi

moiges, umTavresi _ biZina ivaniSvilis

faqtors. „ocneba” miiCnevs,

rom arCevnebis mosagebad sakmarisia

eleqtoraluri „mxardaWera”,

magram am arCevnebs rom saerTa-

Soriso legitimacia sWirdeba? es

ki ician, Tumca amaze ar zrunaven.

erTi cxeli magaliTi: rodesac

partiis mxardamWeri da mxolod

mxardamWeri ki ara, misi ofisis

warmomadgeneli, Tundac moxalisis

statusiT, saxelisuflebo

partiis damarcxebis SemTxvevaSi

samoqalaqo omiT imuqreba, vin ginda

daarwmuno, rom saarCevno garemo

normaluri geqneba? rom es ar

aris fsiqologiuri terori? mere

ratom unda gagikvirdes, rom roca

es norma demokratiuli samyarosTvis

miuRebelia, egreve

mogakeron putinis ruseTis mokav-

Siris iarliyi da rac mTavaria,

darwmunebulni iyvnen, rom xar sakuTari

mtris mokavSire, sxvadasxva

dokumentSi rogoradac ar unda

moixseniebde am mters _ nomer

pirvel Tu umTavres safrTxed?

da Semdeg, Tu vinme legitimaciaze

Tavs Seikavebs, visTan unda daiwuwuno?

aqve vaRiareb, rom „ocnebas”,

uamrav problemasTan erTad, aqvs

erTi mniSvnelovani privilegia _

mas ar sWirdeba programebiT da

axali ideebiT pozicionireba,

radgan arc misi vizavi _ opozicia

_ akeTebs amas. sxvaTa Soris, rodesac

opoziciac da xelisuflebac

arCevnebis win imiT pozicionireben,

rom gaizrdeba pensiebi da

amomrCeveli maTi dapirebebidan

sxvas verafers ixsenebs, cxadze

ucxadesia, rom orive flangi mxcovani

adamianebis keTildReobaze

ki ar zrunavs, aramed warsul-

Sia CarCenili da axali gamowvevebis

Sesaxeb warmodgenac ar aqvs.

mokled, xelisuflebac da opoziciac,

am etapze, roca deklarireben,

rom „Cven movigebT arCevnebs”,

„Cven davamarcxebT...”, cdiloben

sakuTar mxardamWerebs (da

ara mxolod maT) daanaxon, rom

Zlierebi arian. magram imas ra vuyoT,

rom am siZlieris miRma ar Cans

goniereba?

arada, xalxs, eleqtorats si-

`2012 wlis Semdeg, ufro sworad, 2013 wlis

saprezidento arCevnebis Semdeg, opozicia

mudmivad acxadebs, rom daamarcxebs `qarTul

ocnebas~, anu acxadebs: `Cven movigebT

arCevnebs~. calke sakiTxia kidev erTi

gacveTili slogani: `Cven davicavT xmebs~.

arCevnebis Semdeg aRmoCndeba, rom opoziciam

ver moigo. Tan daakvirdiT, - sul ufro da

ufro naklebad ismis xolme gancxadebebi, rom

arCvenebi gayalbda, anu es niSnavs, rom xmebi

daicves da ise damarcxdnen~

Zliere da vinmes damarcxeba ki

ara, goniereba da saxelmwifos gamarjveba

sWirdeba.

* * *

2012 wlamde da axlac qarTuli

da ara mxolod qarTuli

politika efuZneboda formulas:

„vinc Zlieria, is igebs”. es formula

moqmedebda aTaswleulebis

ganmavlobaSi. siZliere gamoixateboda

mraval aspeqtSi _ pirvel

rigSi: fizikur, raodenobriv,

ierarqiul siZliereSi _ viTarebisa

da garemoebebis gaTvaliswinebiT.

amJamad viTareba Secvlilia da

ara imis gamo, rom qarTveli xalxi

daiRala an daiRala masebi sadme.

Cven vcdilobT, sakiTxi gavaanalizoT,

problema davinaxoT Zveli

formuliT: „vinc Zlieria, is igebs”.

es formula, miuxedavad imisa,

rom viRacas sjera _ amJamadac

kargad muSaobs, transformacias

ganicdis da Tundac vinmem, misi

daxmarebiT moipovos lokaluri

gamarjveba, is ver iqneba mdgradi,

radgan axali formulis Sinaarsi

da arsi saerTod sxva gaxlavT _

goniereba. axla ar aris siZlieris

an Zalis akumulirebisa da

SemdgomSi misi gamoyenebis fiqris

dro. axali formula sxva rames

gulisxmobs _ ifiqre fiqramde da

imoqmede aq da axla.

da dRes Tu viRacas ar moswons

xelisufleba da arc opozicia,

es sruliad pragmatuli, gnebavT,

gonieri, iqneb, bolomde

gauazrebeli, magram mainc, nafiqri

gadawyvetilebaa. Sesabamisad,

Tu viRacebi fiqris Sedegad wav-

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wlis arCevnebs?

len sxvasTan da damarcxdebian,

isini mainc TviTkmarni iqnebian.

xolo Tu gaimarjveben, vai, im

liderisa Tu liderebis beds,

romlebic am gonierebis ZalaSi

konvertacias Seecdebian. wavida

dro, rodesac revolucia Tavis

Svilebs Wamda. axal mocemuloba-

Si SeWmulic da mWamelic erTad

iRupeba.

* * *

iracionaluri faqtoris gareSe

saqarTvelos marTva SeuZlebelia.

da amas saqarTvelos araTu uaxlesi,

aramed uZvelesi istoria adasturebs.

erT citatas movitan Cemi

adrindeli publikaciidan: „rogor

avuxsna qarTul politikur

speqtrs, rom maTi energia suls

Rafavs da rebrendingi ver uSvelis?

miT ufro, is rogor gavagebino,

rom isini ver SeZleben, saku-

Tari zraxvebis instrumentad aqcion

gonieri adamianebi, raoden mZime

socialuri pirobebic ar unda

Seuqmnan maT dasamorCileblad?

isic xom unda axsovdeT, rom mSieri

adamiani ukeT fiqrobs da TavganwirviT

moqmedebs? rogor avuxsna

qarTvel politikosebs, rom mxolod

is SeiZleba gadarCes, rasac

da visac aqvs sasicocxlo energia

da rac ar da veRar adaptirdeba

realobasTan _ imis gadarCena Su-

Zlebelia? rogor mivaxvedro es,

viTom saxelmwifosa da qveyanaze

morudune personebi da maTi mxardamWerebi,

rom dapirispirebaSi

CarTul arc erT subieqts ar aqvs

imisTvis saWiro energetikuli

resursi, rom erTmaneTze gaimarjvon

an is Zalaufleba da gavlena

SeinarCunon, romelsac floben?

Tan im pirobebSi, rodesac arc erT

mxares ar unda sakuTari gavlenis

Sesusteba, realobis gaziareba da

sakuTari, isedac zRvarze myofi

energetikuli resursiT spoben ara

mxolod sxvas, aramed _ sakuTar

Tavsac...”

* * *

vin moigebs arCevnebs 2020

wels? Tavpirs vamtvrevT erTmaneTs

imis garkvevaSi, xelisufleba

ukeTesia Tu _ opozicia. orive

kargia! esec xom faqtia _ zogisTvis

erTi, zogisTvis _ meore.

orive cudia! esec faqtia _ zogisTvis

erTi da zogisTvis meore.

ubralod, axla orive Zalas eyrdnoba

da ara fiqrs da mofiqralmoazrovneebs.

Tumca cxovreba win

midis da imedia, odesme, romelime

arCevnebSi, saqarTveloSic gaimarjvebs

goniereba da ara Zala, misi

sxvadasxva gamoxatulebiT.

`20 ivnisidan erTi wlis Tavze momxdari isev bundovania~

2019 wlis 20 ivniss, maSin, roca rusi deputati

nene injgia

sergei gavrilovi saqarTvelos parlamentSi, parla-

giorgi

591 71 39 98 mentis Tavmjdomaris savarZelSi Cajda, sazogadoe-

bam es faqti erTxmad gaaprotesta. Seicvala Tu ara

20 ivnisis Sefaseba erTi wlis Semdeg? ra Sedegi moitana axalgazrdulma protest-

ma? ra roli aqvT axalgazrdebs 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebis konteqstSi?

am da sxva mniSvnelovan Temebze „qronika+~

rubrika „axalgazrda politikoseb-

Si” sociologsa da samoqalaqo aqtivist

giorgi nusxelaZes esaubra:

_ giorgi, 20 ivnisidan erTi wlis Tavze,

am gadmosaxedidan, rogor SeafasebT im-

droindel movlenebs?

_ nebismieri momxdari movlenidan rac

dro gadis, ufro naTlad afaseb yvelafers,

emociebis gareSe, meti faqtiTa da

gaazrebulad. xvdebi, ra Secdomebi iyo da

ra ar ginda, ganmeordes. dRevandeli gadmosaxedidan,

20 ivnisis movlenebis Sefaseba

ukve emociis gareSe SeiZleba, ufro

gaazrebulad. Tumca mainc rTulia, radgan

Sefaseba raRacasTan SedarebiT unda

moxdes, Cven ki araferi gvaqvs Sesadarebeli.

marTlac ras unda SevadaroT: 2007

wlis 7 noembers Tu 2011 wlis 26 maisis

Rames? albaT, arc erTs, radgan moTxovnebi

sruliad gansxvavebulia. adre Tu „nacionaluri

moZraobis” epoqas aprotestebdnen

da maT wasvlas iTxovdnen arCevnebis

gziT, 20 ivnisis aqciaze es ar yofila.

protesti daiwyo gavriloviT da gadaizarda

gaugebar moTxovnebSi: xan kobaxiZis

gadadgomas iTxovdnen, xan proporciul

arCevnebs, xan biZinas wasvlas, xan maJoritarebma

scades sxdomaTa darbazis karis

gadaketva da a. S. axla Tu mTavrobis mxridan

SevadarebT, romels ufro sastiki darbeva

hqonda, aqac kiTxva Cndeba, riT SevadaroT:

dazaralebulebiT Tu daRupulebiT

da dapatimrebulebiT? visac samive periodi

axsovs, bevrs SeuZlia Tqvas, rom wina

mTavrobisas meti sisastike iyo, Tumca es

imas ar niSnavs, rac 20 ivniss moxda, kargi

iyo. samive darbevas aqvs Tavisi mZime Sedegebi

da swored rom zogi ganmartebis

Tanaxmad, demokratia izomeba imiT, Tu

rogor eqceva saxelmwifo sakuTar moqalaqes.

Cvenc SegviZlia darbevis xarisxiT

gavzomoT Cveni demokratiis xarisxi.

demokratiis meore sazomi, rogorc aRiarebulia,

xalxis cnobierebas Seexeba da aqac

SeiZleba xalxis qceva da moTxovnebi avi-

RoT demokratiis xarisxis gasazomad. sabolood

rom SevjerdeT 20 ivnisis Sesafaseblad,

erTis garda, verafers SevadarebT

da es erTi, TavisTavad, 20 ivnisia. ra xdeboda

erT mxares da ra xdeboda meore mxares?

iyvnen daSavebulebi, iyvnen mZimed

dazaralebulebi. gadacdomebi iyo,

rogorc Zalovnebis mxridan, damiznebiT

rom esrodnen adamians rezinis tyviebs,

aseve vnaxeT, rogor midioda xelCarTuli

Cxubi parlamentis win momitingeebis mxridan.

namdvilad ar iyo mosawoni es saqcieli,

magram roca adamianebi erTad dganan,

muxti iwevs da maTi damSvideba rTulia, Tan

qarTvelebi emociurebi varT. rogor ganviTarda

Semdeg movlenebi? gauSves gazi da

gamoiyenes rezinis tyviebi. aq calsaxad vi-

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tyvi, rom rezinis tyviebi ar unda gamoeyenebinaT.

mxolod gazi da wyali kidev

gasagebi iqneboda. erTi ram yvelam unda

gaviTavisoT: rac naklebi dazaralebuli

gveyoleba nebismieri mTavrobis dros, yvelasTvis

ukeTesia.

_ ra Sedegi moitana gavrilovis vizitis

gaprotestebam da iyo Tu ara es axalgazr-

duli protesti?

_ Soridan daviwyoT: vin aris gavrilovi

da ra aris axalgazrduli protesti? sergei

gavrilovi aris ruseTis federaciis

deputati komunisturi partiidan da es

partiac, daaxloebiT, 10%-s warmoadgens

parlamentSi. oficialuri monacemebiT,

gavrilovis partia warmoadgens opozicias,

xazs vusvam, rom oficialur monacemebiT

igi opozicioneria, Tumca es ar cvlis im

faqts, rom gavrilovi komunistia. vupasuxoT

meore kiTxvas: ra aris axalgazrduli

protesti? es aris axalgazrda adamianebisgan

Semdgari jgufi, romelsac aqvs gansxvavebuli

Sexeduleba socialur-ekonomikur-politikur

da sxva sakiTxebTan dakav-

SirebiT da Riad gamoxatavs mimdinare movlenebis

mimarT sawinaaRmdego ganwyobas.

afiqsireben Riad, rac ar moswonT da amboben,

Tu ra undaT. 20 ivnisis dResac ase

moxda: gaaprotestes komunisti gavrilovis

saqcieli. Cvens parlamentSi igi ar unda

Sesuliyo da miT umetes, Tavmjdomaris

skamSi Cajdomac miuRebelia. Zalian samwuxaroa,

magram es moxda. amitom mocemuloba

unda miviRoT faqtad. rac Seexeba protestis

Sedegebs, albaT gaucnobiereblad, amas

Tavad sergei gavrilovis pirovnebis cnobadobis

gazrda moyva saqarTveloSi.

protestamde TiTze CamosaTvlel adamians

ecodineboda, vin iyo da ras warmodgenda

igi. sainteresoa, Tavad axalgazrdebis myisieri

Sekreba saidan, rogor, ra viTrebaSi

moxerxda? protestze aseve vixileT batoni

daviT qacaravac, romelic qveyanas darajobs

da mudam saokupacio xazTanaa. samwuxarod,

ar vici parlamentis muSaobis stili,

rom kiTxvebi damesva, magaliTad, gaegzavnaT

Tu ara opozicioner deputatebs dRis

wesrigi wina dRes? Tu gaegzavnaT, ratom

ar dagvicves da ar miiRes zomebi, rogorc

Cvenma arCeulebma? Tu ar gaegzavnaT, ratom?

erT wlis Tavzec bevri kiTxva ibadeba

da momxdaric bundovania. mxolod Sedegi

gvaqvs cudi, _ dazaraldnen axalgazrda

adamianebi!

_ protestidan 1 wlis Tavze, dRevan-

deli mocemulobiT, xelisufleba ufro

momgebian poziciaSi Tu opozicia?

_ im yvelafris fonze, rac qveyanaSi xdeba,

jerjerobiT, momgebianoba-aramomgebianoba

Tanabaria, 50%-50%-ze. opozicia igebs

Tu mTavroba, amas dro gviCvenebs. amas

emateba virusiT gamowveuli arasaxarbielo

ekonomikuri Sedegebi. mTavrobas or frontze

uwevs brZola, aqeT korona da ekonomikuri

krizisi (umuSevrad darCenili adamianebi

da a. S.) aqvT misaxedi, iqiT kidev _

gundi da arCevnebi. rac Seexeba opozicias,

albaT, is cota ukeTes poziciaSi aris,

mTavaria, saerTo ena gamonaxon da aranairad

ar Caagdon 120/30 saarCevno cvlileba.

_ arsebobs Tu ara opoziciaSi SeTanxme-

bis resursi?

_ SeTanxmebis resursi namdvilad arsebobs

opoziciaSi, Tanac Zalian didi. noembridan

dawyebuli erTad sxedan, ikribebian

da msjeloben. daaxloebiT 7 Tve gavida,

resursi rom ar hqonodaT, albaT, amdeni

xani ar gaCerdebodnen. bolo dReebSi Tavadac

gaaJReres gancxadebebi, didi partiebis

mxridan maJoritarebis daTmobaze. albaT

yvelaze kargi iqneba, patara partiebs

miscen kandidatebis win wamowevis saSualeba

da realuri xelSewyoba. radgan orpolusianoba

aRaravis unda, Sesabamisad kompromisze

wasvlac unda SeZlon. aucilebeli

araa, yvela erTi qolgis qveS iyos. mTavaria,

samoqmedo strategia hqondeT swori.

_ ramdenad maRalia imis albaToba, rom

mmarTvelma gundma meored Caagdos sakon-

stitucio cvlilebebi?

_ ra Tqma unda, SesaZlebelia, Tumca

albaTobis simaRles ara gundi, aramed mas-

Si Semavali deputatebi gansazRvraven. 20

ivnisis movlenebis Semdeg biZina ivaniSvilma

dapireba gasca proporciulis 0%-iani

barieriT Catarebaze, Tumca zogierTma

deputatma Caagdo misive gundidan sakonstitucio

cvlilebebi. amiT imis Tqma minda,

rom deputatebis ganwyobebi araprognozirebadia.

samwuxarod, es ara marto

mmarTveli gundis deputatebs exeba. opoziciaSic

vxedavT msgavss damokidebulebebs

bevr rameSi. guSin erTs gveubnebodnen,

dRes ki Tavis marTlebis poziciaSi arian.

imdenad maRalia imis albaTba, rom mmar-

Tvelma gundma meored Caagdos sakonstitucio

cvlilebebi, ramdenadac opoziciasac

SeuZlia amis ganxorcieleba. miT umetes,

„qarTuli ocneba” ramdenime deputatma

datova da calke fraqciebi Seqmna. umravlesobas

wevrebi akldeba da es unda

nusxelaZe:

`partiis

liderebma

axalgazrdebs

parlamentSi

moxvedris Sansi

unda miscen~

gamoiyenos saparlamento opoziciam, Tu

namdvilad undaT proporciuli.

_ dadgeba Tu ara arCevani kvlav

,,qarTul ocnebasa” da ,,nacionalur

moZraobas” Soris?

_ aucileblad dadgeba, radgan sxva didi

partiebi ar gagvaCnia, arc sakuTari politikuri

warsuliT da arc mmarTvelobis

gamocdilebiT. amas xels uwyobs politikisa

da Zalauflebis wyurvilic, vinac

erTxel naxa, mas kvlav unda miaRwios, visac

axla aqvs, mas SenarCuneba surs. patara partiebs

ki Tavis dasamkvidreblad meti Sroma

marTebT da sakuTari maqsimumis warmoCena.

visurvebdi, qveyanaSi arCevnebze, realurad,

bevri partia iyos da ar gvyavdes saxeldarCenili

formaluri partiebi. aseve

gamofxizldes amomrCevlis is segmenti,

romelTac kerpebi hyavT. amiT rogorc

xalxs eqneba arCevanis SesaZlebloba, aseve

Tavad politikuri speqtri ganviTardeba,

politikosebic igrZnoben pasuxismgeblobas

da Semdegi arCvenisTvisac aRar iqneba

orpolusiani arCevani „ocnebasa” da „nacionalur

moZraobas” Soris.

_ rogor warmogidgeniaT 2020 wlis

arCevnebis konteqstSi axalgazrdebis

roli?

_ axalgazrdebi demokratiisTvis, politikisTvis

da, zogadad, nebismieri cxovrebisTvis

umniSvnelovanes rols asruleben

sakuTari monawileobiT. erTi mxriv,

agroveben axal codnas da gamocdilebas,

meore mxriv, Tavis sityvas amboben, ra surT,

ra undaT, ra awuxebT, ra uxariaT, rogor

xedaven qveyanas arsebuli problemebiT.

isini yvelafers energiiT avseben da ufros

Taobas axlebur xedvas aCveneben bevr sakiTxze.

aqedan gamomdinare, im opoziciurma

Tu samTavrobo partiam seriozuli yuradReba

unda miaqcios da gaiTvaliswinos axalgazrdebis

roli. rac Seexeba 2020 wlis

arCevnebs, Cven vxedavT, ramdenime karg axalgazrdas

opoziciur gundebSi. liderebma

axalgazrdebs Sansi unda miscen parlamentSi

mosaxvedrad.

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„qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebis

saTaveSi mosvlisas „onkologiis erovnuli centris” imdroindelma

direqtorma, revaz gaguam, saqarTvelos xelisuflebas

mimarTa da sTxova, rom haerSi gamokidebuli centri saxelm-

wifos Tavis mmarTvelobaSi daebrunebina. saxelmwifom 2015 wels

onkocentri „sapartnioro fonds” gadasca soliduri finansuri

uzrunvelyofiT da yvelas rom egona, daviT saganeliZe mixedav-

da onkologiur centrs, didi problemebi swored aqedan daiwyo.

„qronika+~-s esaubreba „uni-

versaluri samedicino centris”

diagnostikuri

ganyofilebis

ufrosi, profesori aleqsandre

mindaZe:

_ oTxis wlis ganmavlobaSi yovel

wels gveubnebodnen, rom

davalianebas dagvifaravdnen. yovel

jerze _ tyuili. 2019 wlis

bolos jandacvis saministrom „sapartnioro

fondisgan” kidev

ufro gapartaxebuli kompleqsi

gadmoibara, Seqmna Tavis daqvemdebarebaSi

myofi holdingi, romlis

SemadgenlobaSic Seiyvana onkocentri.

CvenTan Sexvedraze ministric

amovida da Segvpirda, rom amis

Semdeg xelfasebi aRar dagviandeboda

da davalianebasac dagvifaravdnen.

_ ministri TqvenTan Sexve-

draze mas mere amovida, rac

eqimebma gaficvebis seria daiwy-

eT?

_ Cven Cvensas viTxovdiT da

komunikaciis sxva gza aRar dagvitoves.

mokled, davujereT jandacvis

saministros, miuxedavad

imisa, rom klinikis direqtorad

„sapartnioro fondidan” giorgi

enuqiZe dagviniSna.

_ ra moxda Semdeg?

_ CvenTvis saxelfaso davalianeba

aravis daufaravs da dRemde

igive dilemis winaSe vrCebiT.

es interviu „qronika+~-ma manamde

Cawera, sanam aleqsandre mindaZes

gulis problemebis gamo saswrafo

gamokvlevaze gadaiyvandnen.

Cven ki ukve gaficul eqimebs SevxvdiT,

romelTac jandacvis saministro

klinikidan uSvebs.

mzia meWurWliSvili, ra-

diofizikosi:

_ jandacvis saministros arc

erTi Tavisi piroba ar Seusrulebia.

Tavidan CvenTan movidnen

jandacvis ministris moadgile

giorgi wowkolauri da Cveni

holdingis direqtori giorgi

CogovaZe. dagvpirdnen xelfasis

aTTviani davalianebis anazRaurebas.

amis Semdeg, moulodnelad,

ismis sakiTxi saavadmyofos garemontebaze.

gagvikvirda, _ ra remontzea

saubari, rodesac Semosavals

sWarbobs gasavali, vinaidan

pacientebi Zalze mcire raodenobiT

arian? roca gavikiTxeT,

gviTxres, rom investori gamoCnda,

romelmac am saavadmyofos gasaremontebeli

Tanxebi gamoyo. axla

gveubnebian, rom saavadmyofo

mTlianad, ganusazRvreli vadiT

ixureba; rom am aTTviani davalianebis

garda aseve ori Tvis kompensacias

mogvcemen.

_ saxelfaso davalianebis

gadaxdasTan erTad orTviani ko-

mpensacia samsaxuridan daTxovas

niSnavs?

_ Cvenc vxvdebiT amas. dagvabruneben

Tu ara amis Semdeg,

aravin icis. amitom Cven vTavazobT,

Tu globaluri remonti

unda gakeTdes da klinikis

mravalsarTuliani korpusi unda

aRdges, maSin jer garemontdes

gverdiTi fligeli da Cvenamde

rom movlen, mere gavalT eqimebi

Senobidan.

_ saxelfaso davalianebis da-

farva daiwyes?

_ ara. jer memorandums unda

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movaweroT xeli. ise erT TeTrsac

ar Cagviricxaven.

_ ra memorandums?

_ ar viciT.

_ Tu ar iciT, memorandumSi ra

weria, rogor unda moaweroT

xeli?

_ es memorandumi jer TvaliT

aravis unaxavs. misi pirobebi

aravin icis, arada, masze xelmoweris

gareSe erT TeTrsac ar CagiricxavTo.

_ davakonkretoT: TebervalSi

jandacvis saministrom say-

ovelTao gaficva SegawyvetinaT

im pirobiT, rom saxelfaso

davalianebas etapobrivad dagifaravdaT

da xelfasebsac ar dagigvianebdaT.

magram maSin memo-

randumze xelis moweraze ar iyo

saubari...

_ diax, asea. saministrom arc

erTi piroba ar Segvisrula _ arc

wina davalianeba gvericxeba da

arc xelfass gvixdian droulad.

samagierod, gveubnebian, rom memorandumze

xels rom moawerT,

mere yvela am pirobas SevasrulebTo.

oriode kviris win movidnen

jandacvis ministris moadgile

giorgi wowkolauri da Cveni

holdingis direqtori giorgi

CogovaZe. maT ar moisurves medpersonalTan

farTomasStabiani

Sexvedra da onkocentris direqtor

giorgi enuqiZes Sexvdnen. mxolod

daswrebis ufleba hqondaT

ganyofilebis gamgeebs.

_ sityvis Tqmis uflebis

gareSe?

_ maT mainc ilaparkes. am Sexvedraze

gamogvicxades, rom mTlianad

unda daiketos saavadmyofo

da Catardes misi globaluri remonti.

ganyofilebis gamgeebma maT

ganumartes, rom aq aris specifikuri

mimarTulebebi, magali-

Tad, sxivuri Terapia, romlis ase

dakonserveba ar SeiZleba. iq aris

kobalti, romlis ase datoveba

sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulia. ar

SeiZleba, gamoxuro kari da wamoxvide.

rodesac am kiTxvas vusvamT,

_ ar viciTo, _ gvpasuxoben.

_ ras moiTxovT?

_ Cven gvinda, Tundac, Semcirebuli

koleqtiviT gagrZeldes

muSa procesi. magaliTad, qimioTerapiis

kabinets SeiZleba mxolod

kedlis gadaRebva dasWirdes, meti

araferi _ karg mdgomareobaSia. iq

15 pacienti mkurnalobs. garda pacientis

dakargvisa, Cven samsaxurebsac

vkargavT, radgan, aravin

gveubneba, ramden xans gagrZeldeba

remonti an am drois gasvlis

Semdeg Cven ra gvelodeba.

_ memorandumis teqsti icis

vinmem?

_ aravin.

_ donori vin aris?

_ ar gveubnebian.

_ direqtoris gadadgomas ra-

tom moiTxovT?

_ Cveni direqtori, giorgi enuqiZe,

sapartnioro fondis warmomadgenelia,

romelic araprofesionalia.

imis gamo, rom am pirovnebas

araswori menejmenti hqonda,

daiketa braxiTerapia, Semcirda

avadmyofebis raodenoba, ar daido

xelSekruleba sayovelTao dazRvevasTan.

moZvelebulma infrastruqturam

da yvelaferma erTad

gamoiwvia es savalalo mdgomareoba,

raSic dRes vimyofebiT.

ras sTxoven

moze, ar icis, ra moelis am

masalebs, am gancxadebas avtomaturad

gadahyavs sakiTxi saerTa-

Soriso terorizmis safrTxis SefasebebSi

da saerTaSoriso usafrTxoebis

mniSvnelobas iZens, vinaidan

aseTi gancxadeba mkveTrad

amcirebs garemos usafrTxoebas.

mesame sakiTxi: kanonis Tanaxmad,

a(a)ipi iqmneba sazogadoebrivi

saWiroebisTvis da unda hqondes

idealuri mizani, rac xelmZRvanelobam

ver warmoadgina. es niSnavs,

rom momavali aris absoluturad

gaurkveveli. aseve ver warmoadgines

e. w. (vinaidan, Cven ar

viciT, vin arian) donorebis dasabuTebuli

pozicia, romelic gamagrebuli

iqneboda raime saproeqto

winadadebiT mainc, rom centri

unda daixuros remontis proces-

Si. TviT kerZo struqturam,

Cinelebma, ar daxures mTliani

centri ara imitom, rom mogeba

enaxaT (erT larad miaqiraves Spss),

aramed imitom, rom umuSevroba

ar gaezardaT da SeenarCunebinaT

inteleqtualuri potenciali.

Cven ki dRes gvTavazoben, rom

gaurkveveli vadiT (maTi gancxadebiT)

umuSevrad davtovoT 250-

ze meti adamiani. da es maSin, rodesac

premier-miistri acxadebs, rom

mTavrobis prioriteti aris Cveni

mosaxleobis janmrTeloba da

ekonomikuri mdgomareoba. aseTi

midgoma gvafiqrebinebs mTavrobis

qveda donis Cinovnikebis mxridan

mTavrobis ZiriTadi politikuri

xazis sabotaJze.

rogor SeiZleba warmovidginoT

momavali?

upirveles yovlisa, SeuZlebelia

Tanamedrove qarTul onkologiur

bazarze dabaltarifiani

momsaxurebis Semotana, es daangrevs

isedac gasacodavebul

onkologiur momsaxurebas. magram

SesaZlebelia iseTi struqturis

Seqmna, mag., samecniero centris

funqciebiT, romelic aiZulebs

dargs, ganviTardes momsaxurebis

xarisxis ufro maRali, samecniero

miRwevebze damyarebuli standartebis

SemoTavazebiT. aseTi

struqturis magaliTad Cven Sei-

Zleba aviRoT amerikis janmrTelobis

institutebi, sadac gaer-

Tianebulia sxvadasxva fundamenturi,

samecniero samedicino mimarTulebis

centri. Cvenc SegviZlia

SevqmnaT onkologiis samecniero

samedicino mimarTulebis centreeqimebis

gaficvis axal talRas

koronavirusic ver SeaCerebs

_ ramdeni adamiani rCeba usam-

saxurod?

_ 300 adamianamde. erTi dRe kinaRam

skandali moxda _ 15 „forma

100" gvaqvs gacemuli, mis mflobel

avadmyofebs qimioTerapia utardebaT.

movida es xalxi da enuqiZe

gveubneba, ar miiRoT da ar CautaroT,

klinika remontze ixurebao.

am dros qimioTerapiis gadadeba

ar SeiZleba. enuqiZes es ar

esmis! roca mixvda, didi xmauri

atydeboda, mere SemouSva pacientebi.

_ Tqvens sainiciativo jgufis

xelmZRvanel aleqsandre mindaZ-

es ra daemarTa?

_ amdeni nerviulobis fonze,

gul-sisxlZarRvTa problema Seeqmna,

koronografia gaikeTa da

cudad aris. Seiwira am saqmem da

am brZolam b-ni aleqsandre.

„qronika+~ medicinis profkav-

Sirebis Tavmjdomare irakli

amiranaSvilsac gaesaubra:

_ Cvens xelT arsebuli informaciiT,

donori aris msoflio

banki. taSiT madlobas uxdian

eqimebs da meore wuTs xelfass ar

aZleven. xelfasebis micemas vin

Civis _ xval da zeg TiToeuli maTgani

SeiZleba, umuSevari darCes

martivi mizezis gamo _ ar arsebobs

gegma, Tu rogor unda ganvi-

Tardes onkocentri. klinika

efuZneba, mxolod da mxolod, bizneslogikas,

rac miuRebelia saxelmwifosTvis

da sazogadoebisTvis.

is unda emorCilebodes jandacvis

uzrunvelyofas qveyanaSi.

aseve TiToeuli eqimisa da profesionalis

SenarCunebis logikas.

swored amitom am adamianebma unda

miiRon is, rasac iTxoven.

_ rom ver iReben?

_ swored amitom ar aqvT maT

aranairi ndoba Tavisi direqtoris

mimarT. Tundac is, rom komunikaciis

erTaderT gzad am adamianebs

dautova quCaSi gasvla. pirvel

rigSi unda gadadges direqtori

giorgi enuqiZe; meore _

konkretulad unda ganesazRvros

am xalxs TavianTi uflebebi, rom

isini ar dakargaven samsaxurs;

saswrafod unda ganimartos memorandumis

pirobebi, razec amaT

ultimatumis eniT sTxoven xelmoweras;

eqimebs aravin daCagravs

_ Cven varT amis garantebi! movuwodebT

jandacvis samistros,

mieciT eqimebs xelfasebi, taSis

dakvra maTTvis ar aris sakmarisi.

„qronika+~ aseve gTavazobT

onkocentris eqimebis werils,

romelic maT jandacvis ministrs

gaugzavnes:

„Cven vTavazobT Cveni klinikis

direqtors, gadadges sakuTari

nebiT. safuZveli aris Cven mier

dasmuli pasuxgaucemeli kiTxvebi:

vin arian donorebi? aris Tu

ara aRdgenis proeqti?

ra moelis klinikaSi arsebul

radiaqtiul masalebs?

Cvens direqtors amaze erTi

pasuxi aqvs: „ar vici”.

es kiTxvebi aris momavali ganviTarebis

sakiTxi da adamianma,

romelic pasuxismgebelia am momavalze,

ar icis araferi, amdenad

igi ar Seesabameba dakavebul Tanamdebobas.

meore sakiTxi:

unda davubrundeT bolo kiTxvas,

_ ra moelis arsebul radiaqtiul

masalebs? aRsaniSnavia, rom

es masalebi ar warmoadgens safrTxes,

Tu is dacul garemoSia.

daculi garemo ufro farTo

cnebaa, vidre daculi adgili. magram

Tu Tanamdebobis pirma,

romelic pasuxismgebelia am gare-

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eka tikaraZes?

`Cvens xelT arsebuli informaciiT, donori

aris msoflio banki. taSiT madlobas uxdian

eqimebs da meore wuTs xelfass ar aZleven.

xelfasebis micemas vin Civis - xval da zeg

TiToeuli maTgani SeiZleba, umuSevari darCes

martivi mizezis gamo - ar arsebobs gegma, Tu

rogor unda ganviTardes onkocentri. klinika

efuZneba, mxolod da mxolod, bizneslogikas,

rac miuRebelia saxelmwifosTvis da

sazogadoebisTvis. is unda emorCilebodes

jandacvis uzrunvelyofas qveyanaSi. aseve

TiToeuli eqimisa da profesionalis

SenarCunebis logikas~

mara qarTul jandacvas da mis

samecniero ganviTarebaSi daxmarebaze

uars ar ityvis da kidev sxva,

SesaZloa, kerZo msxvili kompaniebi,

romelTac amJamad rTuli periodi

aqvT da isini sareklamo da

sxva miznebiT wamovlen ufaso an

dabalprocentian daxmarebaze. amas

kargad gamarTuli saerTaSoriso

muSaoba unda, rasac, Zalian

didi imedi gvaqvs, saqarTvelos

mTavroba warmatebiT gaarTmevs

Tavs”.

„qronika+~ Tvals miadevnebs

movlenebis ganviTarebas.

ras gviyveba sveticxovelze eTiopiuri svinaqsari?!

marTalia, „qronika+” samecniero gamocema ar

beqa WiWinaZe

gaxlavT, magram msurda, is samecniero siaxle,

mkvlevari

rasac saqarTvelos gaqristianebis Sesaxeb

eTiopiuri svinaqsari Seicavs, xelmisawvdomi

yofiliyo farTo da ara mxolod viwro samecniero wreebisTvis. ramdenadac

„qronika+” erT-erTi yvelaze maRalreitinguli da avtoritetuli gamocemaa,

gadavwyvite, mesargebla pativiT da swored aq gamomeqveynebina winamde-

bare narkvevi samecniero popularuli formiT.

xSirad moismenT, rom istoria arazusti

mecnierebaa da garkveuli masSi TiTqmis

araferia, radganac wyaroebi yovelTvis

tendenciuria. istoriografiuli mecnierebisadmi

msgavsi hiperkritikuli damokidebuleba

gamarTlebuli iqneboda, Tuki ar

iarsebebda arqeologia, romelic erTgvari

WuWrutanaa warsulSi da gvaZlevs saocar

SesaZleblobas, SevamowmoT Zalian bevri

movlenis namdviloba. sakuTari TvalebiT

davinaxoT da SevexoT bevr im problemas,

romlis Sesaxebac tendenciuri wyaroebi

gviamboben. mxolod aseT SemTxvevaSi SegviZlia

mkvidr niadagze dafuZnebulebma

vimsjeloT istoriis Sesaxeb.

winamdebare mokle narkvevSi SevexebiT

saqarTvelos gaqristianebis istoriaSi

fuZemdebluri mniSvnelobis movlenas _

pirveli qristianuli taZris mSeneblobasa

da mis Rrma Sinaarsis matarebel saxelwodebas,

romelic, rogorc gamoirkva,

mWidrodaa dakavSirebuli sveticxovlis

maxloblad mdebare warmarTul taZarTan

(oTxmocdaaTian wlebSi mcxeTaSi, armazcixesTan,

sveticxovlis maxloblad, arqeologebma

miakvlies meoTxe saukunis brwyinvale

warmarTul sataZro kompleqss).

amasTan dakavSirebiT SesaniSnavi qarTvel

arqeologi da mkvlevari, guram yifiani,

Semdegs acxadebs: „…es eqvsafsidiani taZari,

romelzec axla vlaparakobT, daumTavrebelia,

gvaqvs kapiteli, gvaqvs bazisi,

magram arsad Cans sveti. davuSvaT, rom sveti

xis iyo da gadaiwva, magram cecxlis kvali

iq ar aris da ver gadaiwveboda. garda

amisa, afsidebs Soris xis konstruqciebi

dadasturebulia da is arsad gamqrala. sad

wavida rva-naxevari metris simaRlis sveti?

sveti swored ar aris da Cans iseTi situacia,

rom kramitis saxuravi CaSlilia da imitom

ar aris dalewili da yvela kramitis

zomis aRdgena SegviZlia, sveti SesaZloa

arsebobda da viRacam gamoacala (ilias saxelmwifo

universitetis videoTeka, guram

yifiani, leqcia 6, nawili _ 2)”.

N12 (314) 16.06-22.06.2020 w.

qarTul istoriografiaSi dRemde gamouyenebelia

qarTlis gaqristianebis Sesaxeb

arsebuli erT-erTi Zveli wyaro _

eTiopuri svinaqsari, ucxoelma mkvlevrebma

ki mas ramdenime publikacia miuZRvnes,

ramac aRniSnuli wyaros mimarT didi interesi

aRmiZra. metadre wyaros im monakve-

Tma, romelic mcxeTaSi pirveli qristianuli

eklesiis mSeneblobas exeboda, amitomac

teqstis es nawili vTargmne. sanam mis

citirebas movaxden, unda aRvniSno erTi

ram, _ teqstebi qristianuli eklesiis istoriis

Sesaxeb savsea saswaulebrivi TxrobebiT,

rac Cveulebrivi movlenaa. saswaulebi,

rasakvirvelia, arasodes xdeba, magram

mkvlevari, amisda miuxedavad, valdebulia,

saswaulebrivi Txrobis Semcveli wyaroebi

xelaRebiT mainc ar uaryos da Tuki Sesa-

Zlebelia, saswaulebrivi garsis miRma gadasxvaferebuli

sinamdvile ganWvritos,

mag.: armazis „saswaulebrivi Semusvra” sinamdvileSi

sxva araferi unda yofiliyo,

Tu ara misi adamianuri ZaliT mospoba, rac,

sxvaTa Soris, asaxuli Cans tendenciur, magram

SedarebiT adreul somxur wyaroebSi,

sadac armazis kerps mas Semdeg musraven,

rac mefe ukve naTelRebulia. cxadia, kerpebis

Semusvra gaqristianebas moyva, magram

mogviano xanis qarTuli qristianuli

wyaroebi am movlenas winaukmo gadmogvcemen,

rom viTomc kerpTa saswaulebriv Semusvras

moyva moqceva. yvelaferi es savsebiT

kanonzomieria im epoqisTvis, romelsac

gansaxilveli teqstebi ganekuTvneba. rac

Seexeba eTiopiur svinaqsars, romelic sxvasTan

erTad qarTlSi pirveli qristianuli

eklesiis aSenebis Sesaxeb gviambobs, aq

laparakia imaze, rom pirveli qristianuli

taZris agebisas dasWirdaT svetebi, romelic

ar moepovebodaT, samagierod, axlos

mdebare warmarTul taZars aRmoaCnda mSvenieri

svetebi. wminda ninomac iloca da

svetebma TavianTi Tavi warmarTuli taZridan

„moixsnes” da qristianul eklesiaSi

„mividnen”, (SYNAXARIUM - „The Bool of the

bi, klinikuri medicinis samecniero

centri da infeqciur daavadebaTa

marTvis samecniero centri,

vinaidan isini iqnebian mTlianad

sabiujeto dafinansebaze, maT ar

eyolebaT mogebis gasanawilebeli

mflobelebi, maT eqnebaT SezRuduli

komerciuli saqmianobis Sesa-

Zlebloba _ inteleqtualuri miRwevebis

gayidva, amdenad gacilebiT

ufro gaadvildeba ucxouri

grantebis mozidva. aseve mniSvnelovani

unda iyos saerTaSoriso

TanamSromloba amerikasTan, rogorc

strategiul partnior iaponiasTan,

romelic araerTxel daex-

paradoqsi, magram wminda

ninos, anu qalwul Teognostas

kulti dRemde arsebobs

eTiopiis eklesiaSi, Tumca ki

maT araferi ician imis

Sesaxeb, rom ninos kulti

saqarTveloSicaa daculi -

wminda Teognostas-ninos

eTiopuri xati

Saints of The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church”).

rasakvirvelia, svetebi iqve, maxloblad

mdebare sveticxovlis asaSeneblad gadaitanes,

aRniSnuli movlena ki saswaulebrivad

Sebures. STambeWdavi aq isaa, rom es

wyaro zustad pasuxobs ocdameerTe saukunis

arqeologis daJinebul kiTxvas, Tu ra

iqna eqvsafsidiani warmarTuli taZris

svetebi, rodesac darCenilia svetis Tavebic

da Zirebic _ bazisebi da kapitelebi da

Senobac ukve gadaxuruli iyo kramitiT? e.

i. iq svetebi aucileblad unda yofiliyo.

eTiopiuri svinaqsridan vigebT, rom sveticxovelTan

axlos mdebare warmarTuli

taZris svetebi sveticxovlisTvis gamoiyenes.

mniSvnelovania isic, rom eqvsafsidian

warmarTul taZarSi darCenili svetebis

bazisebisa da kapitelebis morTulobiT

_ xviebiTa da kanelurebiT Tu vimsjelebT,

es svetebi Zalian lamazebic unda

yofiliyvnen. swored amitom SeniSnavs

eTiopiuri svinaqsari, rom maxloblad mdebare

warmarTuli taZris svetebi mSvenierni

iyvnen. cota ar iyos, alogikuri Cans, rom

sveticxovlis mSeneblebs svetebi iseTi

warmarTuli taZrisTvis waerTmiaT, romelic

ukve funqcionirebda, magram Tu gavixsenebT

imas, rom armazcixis eqvsafsidiani

warmarTuli taZari bolomde araa gansrulebuli,

miviRebT savsebiT logikur

mocemulobas _ mimdinareobs warmarTuli

taZris mSenebloba, romelic TiTqmis dasrulebulia,

magram gaqristianebas logikurad

moyva mSeneblobis SeCereba, warmarTuli

taZris SeCerebuli mSeneblobis

pirdapirproporciulad ki iwyeba qristianuli

taZris mSenebloba, amave arealSi, aseT

pirobebSi logikuria, rom SeCerebuli

mSeneblobis resursebi axali, qristianuli

taZrisTvis gamoeyenebinaT.

am movlenebis Sesaxeb, Taviseburad,

qarTuli wyaroebic gviamboben sveticxovlis

Sesaxeb farTod cnobil legendaSi, Tu

rogor ver Zravdnen svets mSeneblebi da

rogor daamyara igi Tavis xarisxs zeciurma

Wabukma ninos locviT, magram saxelwodeba

„sveticxoveli” ufro sxva ramis Sesaxeb

migviTiTebs, _ aq udavod nagulisxmevia

svetis „sicocxle”, erTgvari goniereba,

rac sxva araferia, Tu ara imis enobrivi

asaxva, razec eTiopiuri svinaqsari gviyveba

_ svetebma „warmarTuli taZridan Tavebi

moixsnes da qristianul” taZarSi „mividnen”.

swored amitom arian isini „svetni cxovelni”,

anu sulierni da gonierni. Cans, es

legenda Zalian male, sveticxovlis mSeneblobis

Tanadrouladve gavrcelda. mas

savsebiT gasagebi ideologiuri datvirTva

aqvs _ warmarTuli taZris svetebmac ki

zurgi Seaqcies warmarTobas da qristesaken

ibrunes piri. am naTel simbolos Zalian

gasagebad unda eTqva warmarTi qarTvelebisTvis,

rom warmarTobam qristianobis wina-

Se kapitulacia gamoacxada. mogviano qarTulma

wyaroebma saWirod ar CaTvales im

faqtis aRniSvna, rom svetebi, Tavdapirvelad,

warmarTul taZars ekuTvnoda, amitomac

SeiTxza alternatiuli versia svetebis

mokveTili Zelebisgan damzadebis Sesaxeb.

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rezo SatakiSvili

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am Cvens opozicias, ai, im opoz-

icias, oligarqs rom unda edges kriWaSi da realurad rom am

oligarqis mier saqarTvelodan gandevnil mesame prezidents

udgas kriWaSi, xSirad aviwydeba, rom is mesame prezidenti

kargad icnobs maT modgmas. Cemi azriT, swored am „kargad

cnobiT” aris msuyed nakvebi mixeil saakaSvilis is iniciati-

va, romelic exeba did erTian sias.

rogorc viciT, mixeil saakaSvili

miesalma opoziciis koordinebul

moqmedebas maJoritarebis

kandidatebTan dakavSirebiT da

oligarqis dasamarcxeblad er-

Tiani didi siis gakeTeba SesTavaza

opozicias. garkveviT axsena ambiciebis

gverdiT gadadebisa da

gaerTianebis aucilebloba.

Zalian meeWveba, saakaSvils imis

iluzia hqondes, rom yvela erTbaSad

ambiciebs moTokavs da er-

Tiani siis Sedgena moxerxdeba.

faqtia, yvelam erTad da calcalke

romc moindomos amgvari

ram, sabolood mainc ver moaxerxebs,

isev da isev, imis gamo, rom ver

moTokaven usafuZvlo ambiciebs.

ibadeba kiTxva, _ Tuki mixeil

saakaSvilma icoda da icis, rom

aseTi ram ver moxerxdeba, ratom

wamoayena amgvari iniciativa?

simarTlis gamosaaSkaraveblad

karti aWra. simarTle ki isaa, rom

opoziciaSi arian garkveuli Zalebi,

visac aranairad ar awyobs er-

Tianoba da igi yasidad mxolod imisTvis

undaT, rom mravalricxovani

eleqtoratis mqone enm kedelTan

miayenon (rogorc qarTlSi

ityvian, kedelTan atruWon) da ai-

Zulon, maJoritaruli olqebi

daTmos, iq Tavisi kandidatebi

daayenon da naceleqtoratis xmebiT

damkaSi, anu parlamentSi

gavidnen.

gaixseneT, ra reaqciebi moyva

nika melias iniciativas Tbilisis

8 olqidan 6 olqis daTmobis

Taobaze. „evsaqebma” qoSi ukuRma

yares, _ CvenTan SeuTanxmeblad

gaakeTa es gancxadebao. Turme, nu

ityvi da vinmes rom rames uTmob,

winaswar unda SeuTanxmde kidec.

arada, an SesaTanxmebeli ra iyo,

an _ sawyeni? enm-m olqebi daTmo,

xom ar waarTva? olqebi ar waarTva,

magram salaparako waarTva da

swored aman aaRelva evsaq monteskies

_ giga bokerias maRalRirseba.

diax, evsaquri strategia

swored imas efuZneboda, rom „nacebs”

erTianoba ar surT, „nacebi”

erTianobas CaSlian... maT Zalian

kargad ician, rom Tu gamoasxiveb

am mesijs, rom enm-s opoziciis

erTianoba ar unda, es adamian-

Ta tvinebSi pirdapir iTargmneba

imad, rom enm-s ivaniSvilis damarcxeba

ar surs.

Sesabamisad, rodesac nika meliam

6 olqis daTmoba gaaxmovana,

sazogadoebas kargad daanaxva, rom

enm arc mandatebsaa Cafrenili da

arc opoziciis erTianobis

winaaRmdegia. piriqiT, yvelafers

akeTebs am erTobisTvis.

melias am iniciativam bolomde

mainc ver Caacxro vnebaTa Relva.

realoba marTlac urTulesia.

opozicia ki acxadebs, rom „qarTuli

ocnebis” damarcxeba surs, magram

am opoziciis sxvadasxva aqtori

wyals amRvrevs. yvela saTavisod

da yvela im imediT, rom

mRvrie wyalSi swored Tavad dai-

Weren Tevzs. SesaZloa, asec

moxdes, oRond TviTon Tu ramdenime

mandatian Tevzs waavleben

xels, biZina xelT igdebs mravaltonian

zvigens _ umravlesobas.


amis gageba bevrs ar surs opoziciaSi

an Zalian kargad esmiT da

maTi amocanac swored esaa, _ gainaRdon

ramdenime „kreslo” parlamentSi

da ara is, rom daamarcxon

ivaniSvili. ufro glexurad rom

vTqvaT, maT vinmes damarcxeba ki

ara, TavianTi erTi adgilis skamze

Camodeba surT. maT is surT, rac

mixeil saakaSvils SarSanwin gaxeul

„naskze” kidia.

mas naklebad ki ara, saerTod

ar aRelvebs, romeli opozicioneri

rogor daisaqmebs Tavs

parlamentSi. man es kino ukve naxa,

rodesac Tavisi eleqtoratis meSveobiT

karga blomad xalxi

daasaqma parlamentSi 2016 wels.

hoda, bevri rom ar gavagr-

ZeloT da Cveni opoziciasaviT

bevrs rom ar mived-movedoT, yvelaze

didi eleqtoraluri mxardaWeris

mqone personam, mixeil

saakaSvilma, oini uqna kuluareb-

Si yvavis mxarSav figurantebs.

gamovida da Tqva, rom araTu

opoziciis erTian maJoritarebs

uWers mxars, opozicias sTavazobs

erTian sias.

misi es SeTavazeba warmoaCens,

realurad vis unda da vis ar unda

opoziciis erTianoba.

vimeoreb: opoziciis nawili ise

xatavda suraTs, rom TiTqosda

„nacebs” ar undodaT erTianoba,

axla ki saakaSvilma erTianoba uma-

Rles xarisxSi (saerTo sia) aiyvana

da am gadasaxedidan gamJRavndeba,

realurad vis ar unda es

erTianoba.

erTi anekdotia: mixo bostnidan

Robis iqiT qvebs isvris, mitua

gasZaxebs, _ daiyvire mainc,

qvebs rom isvrio. mixo ki miugebs,

_ me ratom unda viyviro, iman iyviros,

visac TavSi moxvdebao.

es mixoc (saakaSvili) am mixosaviT

moiqca _ qva isrola da vin

iyvira? _ visac Sig TavSi moxvda _

bokeriam da anzor biwaZem. orivem

ikivla, _ ar gvinda erTiani siao.

maT moxvdaT, Torem ager, gubaz

sanikiZem, _ Zalianac mindao.

zogs axla gaaxsenda, rom eleqtorati

mravalferovania da

mravalferovani arCevani unda

hqondes. zogs is, rom momavali

rac SeiZleba mravalpartiuli

unda iyos.

jer erTi, im saerTo siaSi Tu

bevri partiis warmomadgeneli

iqneba, is momavali parlamentic

mravalpartiuli gamova, saerTo

sia ra, vinmes partiulobas iwovs

da inelebs? Tu eleqtorati

mravalferovania da mravalferovani

arCevani unda hqondes, es ase

unda iyos rogorc proporciul,

ise maJoritarul SemTxvevaSi. Tu

rogoraa Tqveni saqme, maJoritarul

frontze erTferovneba

uyvars eleqtorats da proporciulSi

mravalferovneba? logika

SvebulebaSia Tu CeCmaSi CaagdeT?

anu gasarkvevi gairkva, marto

„evsaqebs” ki ara, bevrs opoziciidan

arc erTiani sia awyobT da

arc saerTo maJoritarebi exatebaT

gulze, ubralod, vimeoreb, es

saerTo maJoritarebi undaT erTi

Tianoba!

bokeria Tavis komentarSi cxadia,

koreqtuli iyo da misi leqsika

ar gascilebia politikuri leqsikonis

farglebs, rasac ver vi-

mixeilis

oinebi

ramisTvis _ im konkretul olqSi

kandidati ar daayenos enm-m da

maTma kandidatma miiRos enm-is

eleqtoratis xmebi. enm-is eleqtorati

undaT da ara enm-sTan er-

tyviT „evsaqi” aqtivistebis feisbukur

aqtivobaze. gamodgnen „balkonebzed”

da iseTi ambavi atexes,

ialbuzze eSmakebi Sextnen da Semotrialdnen.

arc mihas Zaxils

moeridnen, arc uxamss ginebas, arc

imis Caanalizebas, rom Turme

saakaSvili rogorc ki igrZnobs,

rom raRac kargad lagdeba mis

gareSe, egreve mis gafuWebas iwyebs.

anu ra iyo kargad dalagebuli

_ is, rom Seqmnes sazogadoebrivi

azri _ opozicias erTianoba surs

da es erTianoba ar unda enm-s da

am sousiT kedelTan hyavdaT ayudebuli

yvelaze didi eleqtoratis

mqone partia? es iyo, albaT,

maTTvis kargad dalagebuli da es

kargad dalagebuli aeriaT.

verafers ityvi, sworad CauanalizebiaT.

esaa, Torem aba, ase ram

gaamwaraT? politikuri liderebis

pozicia gasagebia _ Jurnalisti

komentars gTxovs, an es unda

Tqva an _ is, policieliviT ver

etyvi, _ mimarTe prescentrso, magram

rigiT aqtivists ra rjis,

feisbukis mindvrebSi rom ar gamovardes

da tanze ar Semoixios?

ratom aris jarTSi Cabarebuli

Tu warsulSi CarCenili politikosis

iniciativa maTTvis ase sensitiuri?

imitom xom ara, rom

swored im warsulSi CarCenili

politikosis xelSia is jado, rasac

maTi deputatad qceva SeuZlia

_ eleqtoraluri mxardaWera?

Tu is akargvinebT wonasworobas,

rom saakaSvilma am erTi

ileTiT Tu oiniT simarTle gamoaaSkarava?

arc uamisobaa. saqme is

gaxlavT, rom SedarebiT patara

simarTlis dasadgenad da saCveneblad

saakaSvilma gacilebiT didi

simarTle gamoiyena. diax, didi simarTle

isaa, rom yvelaferze

wamsvleli oligarqis dasamarcxeblad

aucilebelia erTianoba. am

erTianobis yvelaze swori da zusti

forma erTiani siaa.

am simarTlis pedalirebam gamoaaSkarava

is simarTle, rac xdeboda

opoziciis kuluarebSi. Tumca

aqve isic unda iTqvas, rom

dRevandel viTarebaSi, praqtikulad,

SeuZlebelia oligarqis

dasamarcxeblad aucilebeli er-

Tianobis uzrunvelyofa im yvelaze

zusti da swori formiT,

rogoricaa erTiani sia.

amis mizezi, ambiciebis garda,

erTi didi WeSmaritebacaa, dRevandel

opoziciaSi arian Zalebi,

romlebic erTmaneTs ise ver Seerevian,

rogorc zeTi da wyali. es

ar exeba mxolod Riad deklarirebul

prodasavlur da prorusul

partiebs. metic: maT is mainc aer-

TianebT, rom ivaniSvilis damarcxeba

surT, magram ra vuyoT im partiebs,

romlebic isev ivaniSvils

ver moiazreben im ukurnebel

senad? magaliTad, „girCi” ivaniSvilTan

TanamSromlobas ar gamoricxavs,

ager xazaraZe ki jerac imas

gaiZaxis, _ emand, vinmes ar egonos,

rom biZina ivaniSvils ar vufaseb

Rvawls, romelic mas qveynis mimarT

aqvs gakeTebulio.

Rvawlio, Rvawlio... ise laparakobs

Rvawlze, lamisaa, xazaraZe

curtaveli megonos, batoni biZina

ki _ SuSaniki, romelsac mamuka

curtaveli „arqus”: „Ruawlsa

didsa Seslvad xar, dedofalo...”

mokled, erTiani sia swori

formaa, magram utopiuri. lamis,

iseTive utopiuri, rogorc gasworebuli

mTa-bari.

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koronavirusis pandemiis gamo

qveyanaSi ekonomikis TiTqmis yvela seqtori gaCerda, rac vakan-

siebis raodenobis Semcirebaze pirdapirproporciulad aisaxa.


yvelaze xSirad gancxadebebi

Semdeg vakansiebze daido:

gamyidveli, molare, damlagebeli,

mrecxavi, mzareuli, mcxobeli,

ZiZa, momvleli, damxmare, saofise

saqme, mdivani.

rac Seexeba moTxovnad profesiebs,

pandemiis periodSi yvelaze

moTxovnadi profesiebi aR-

moCnda: gamyidveli, molare, damlagebeli,

mrecxavi, dacva, kurieri,

mzareuli, mcxobeli, mZRoli,

remonti, mSenebloba, saofise

saqme, mdivani , ZiZa, momvleli,

damxmare.

pandemiis periodSi ZiriTadi

moTxovna dedaqalaqSi iyo. daaxloebiT

vakansiebis 95% TbilisSi

ideboda, Tumca maisis bolodan

vakansiebis gamoqveyneba yvela regionSi

daiwyo. pandemiis dasrulebam

gaaCina mniSvnelovani kiTxvebi,

_ ra xdeba qveyanaSi? daiwyo inflacia?

produqti gaZvirda? gvSvelis

ki es antikrizisuli gegma?

magaliTisTvis moviyvan kaxeTis

mcire marnebs, romelTac, praqtikulad,

arseboba Sewyvites.

miuxedavad imisa, rom saxelmwifom

mcire da saSualo bizness mxardaWera

aRuTqva, kaxeTSi arsebuli

mcire tipis Rvinis marnebi Semosavlis

garSe darCnen. arada,

marnebis mepatroneebs, ZiriTadad,

sakuTar karmidmoSi aSenebuli

qvevris saxlebi bankidan gamotanili

sesxiT aqvT agebuli. pandemiis

pirobebSi erTaderTi mniSvnelovani

SeRavaTi, rac saxelmwifosa

da bankisgan miiRes, sesxebis gadavadebaa.

yvelaze cudi is aris, rom

kaxeTSi mcire tipis marnebis mepatroneebi

Semdeg or-sam weliwads

nihilisturad uyureben da

fiqroben, rom am etapze marnis

movla da Senaxva gaumarTlebeli

da araekonomiuri nabijia. jer

kidev isev isea gaCerebuli asiaTasobiT

Camosxmuli boTlis Rvino,

romelic, rom ara pandemia, ukve

eqsportze unda iyos gasuli da

mogebac miRebuli unda hqondeT.

rogor cxovrobdnen pandemi-

amde mcire marnis mepatroneebi?

ZiriTadad yvelas, maranTan

erTad, sakuTar ezoSi mcire tipis

saojaxo sastumroebi hqonda,

turistTa raodenoba ki Zalian

didi iyo. turistebi erTi ojaxidan

sam serviss iRebdnen: sastumros

momsaxurebas, sarestornos da

qarTuli RviniT siamovnebas

miecemodnen. Sesabamisad, arc erT

marans ar uWirda arc sesxis aReba

da arc misi gastumreba. amitom

kaxeTSi bolo ramdenime wlis man-

Zilze asobiT mcire saojaxo tipis

sastumro aSenda, gakeTda

marnebi, Zalian swrafad daiwyo

ganviTareba gastronomiulma turizmmac.

magram pandemiam dro ukan

daatriala da dRes am marnis damfuZneblebi

ase gaCerebul dedamiwaze

gaurkvevlobaSi arian.

„saerTod gavaCere muSaoba.

martSi ukve yvela winaswari jav-

Sani gamiuqmes. axla sesxic dasafaria.

marTalia, ramdenime TveSi

momiwevs sesxis dafarva, magram ma-

Sin mainc riT unda davfaro, warmodgenac

ar maqvs. ar vici, turisti

meyoleba wels? an saerTod

Semdegi wlebis manZilze turizmis

bedi ra iqneba? am dros, albaT, xelisuflebis

Tanadgoma yvelaze

mniSvnelovania. samwuxarod, mcire

tipis marnebi uyuradRebod aRmovCndiT.

axla yvela saerTo

problemiT varT Sepyrobili, mcire

marnebi saxadiviT gvaqvs, TiTqos

saerTo avadobaa”, _ dananebiT

hyveba „qronika+“-sTan Tavis

problemebze vano joxaZe.

uaxloesi Tveebi ufro kargad

dagvanaxebs, sad aris dRes Cveni

ekonomika gaCerebuli.

qveyanaSi arsebul ekonomikur

suraTze, statistikaze, gamosavlis

gzebsa da axalgazrda ekonomistTa

xedvebze „qronika+” esaubreba

ekonomikis doqtor irak-

li murcxvalaZes:

_ ra mdgomareobaSia lari? ra

mniSvneloba aqvs mas moqalaqeeb-

isa Tu biznesisTvis?

_ laris kursi yoveldRiur

cxovrebaze gadamwyvetad zemoqmedebs.

Zalian didi raodenoba im

produqtisa, romelsac movixmarT,

importulia, anu ucxoeTidan Semodis.

bunebrivia, ucxoeli mwarmoeblebi

sakuTar produqts

qarTul larze ar gayidian. italiuri

makaroni Tu ruminuli aveji

evroze an dolarze iyideba. Semdeg

importiors es saqarTveloSi

Semoaqvs da yidis larad. Semdeg es

lari dolarad unda gadaricxos

ukan, amis gamo laris kursis vardna

avtomatur reJimSi iwvevs am

produqciaze fasebis zrdas. anu,

garkveulwilad, Tamamad SeiZleba

iTqvas, rom laris kursis vardna,

amavdroulad, iwvevs inflaciis

zrdas, anu fasebis zrdas Cvens

qveyanaSi. es erTi faqtori.

meore: Tuki visaubrebT im

produqciaze, romelic saqarTveloSi

iwarmoeba, am SemTxvevaSic

laris gaufasureba mainc iwvevs

adgilobriv produqciazec fasebis

zrdas: am sawarmoebSi, miuxedavad

imisa, rom adamianebi muSaoben,

romlebsac sWirdebaT im produqciis

SeZena, romelic evroTi an

dolariT iyides ucxoeTSi, maT

uZvirdebaT cxovreba. amitom midian

da Tavis ufross xelfasis

momatebas sTxoven. kompaniis xelmZRvanelebsac

undaT Zvirfasi

nivTebis yidva, avtomobilis SeZena

da a. S. da isic ucxouri

valutiT unda ganaxorcielon.

daskvna: laris kursis vardna avtomatur

reJimSi iwvevs fasebis

zrdas, anu inflacias.

_ sinamdvileSi, visi pasux-

ismgeblobaa gacvliTi kursi? vin

unda akontrolos da ra

meqanizmiT SeaCeros es suraTi?

_ rodesac erovnuli banki ambobs,

rom gacvliTi kursi ar aris

Cemi pasuxismgebloba, Cemi pasuxismgebloba

aris inflaciis Targetireba,

anu inflaciaze var pasuxismgebelio,

man unda gaiTvaliswinos,

rom gacvliTi kursis dacema

avtomaturad niSnavs inflaciasac.

amitom izrunos am gacvliTi kursis

stabilizaciaze. axla meore mxares

SevxedoT, Cveulebriv adamianebs

rogor gvexeba laris gacvliTi

kursi:

meore mxares aris biznesebi.

zogierTi am biznesidan aris

eqsportiori, zogi ki _ importiori.

importior kompaniebs awyobT,

rom laris kursi maRali iyos,

xolo ucxouri valutis kursi _

SedarebiT mcire. eqsportiorebs

ki piriqiT awyobT, rom lari iyos

gaufasurebuli, radgan ucxoeTSi

rom gayidis, pirobiTad, as dolarad

nebismier qarTul produqcias,

im asi dolars nacvlad 304

lari ki ar miiRos, aramed _ 350.

sxvadasxva interesia. Tumca yvelaze

mniSvnelovani is aris, rom

lari Zalian xSirad meryeobs da

ryevebi sakmaod didia.

magaliTad, evrokavSiric vaWrobs

amerikasTan, radgan erT mx-

unda gaxdes Tu ara

evro Cveni valuta?

ares evro sWirdeba, meore mxares

_ dolari da erTmaneTSi cvlian.

ai, aseTi saswauli ryevebi, rogoricaa

10%-iani ryeva erTi dRis ganmavlobaSi,

arc evropaSi da arc

amerikaSi msgavsi aravis unaxavs. es

aris anomalia, rac avtomaturad

iwvevs gazrdil savaluto riskebs.

e. i. Cvens qveyanaSi adamianma

SeiZleba mxolod imitom izaralos

biznesSi, rom kursi Seicvala,

man Tavisi saqme patiosnad gaake-

Ta, sakuTari produqcia xarisxianad

Seqmna, gayida mSvenivrad, magram

kursi Seicvala da izarala.

_ aseT savaluto pirobebSi

biznesis ganviTarebas rogor xe-

davT?

_ grZelvadian perspeqtivaSi,

aseTi arastabiluri erovnuli

valutiT, biznesisa da ekonomikis

ganviTareba urTulesia.

yvelaze metad mosaxleobam

izarala, Tumca aqve unda gavmijnoT,

ras vgulisxmobT, roca

vsaubrobT biznesze. aris msxvili

biznesi, romelic msxvil niSnulze

gadis da es saerTod sxva Temaa,

magram axla vsaubrob mcire biznesze:

viRacas patara maRazia

aqvs an _ samkervalo, raRac sacxobi

aqvs. ai, es wvrili biznesi

iCagreba am dros. arada, es adamianebi

yoveldRiurad cdiloben,

rom lukma-purisTvis raRac patara

biznesi aamuSaon, rom ojaxi

gadaarCinon da ramdenime adamians

Tu daasaqmeben, es xom saerTod

didi miRwevaa maTTvis.

_ ra xdeba sxva qveynebSi?

_ daviwyoT iqidan, Tu ra qmnis

sxva qveynebSi gacvliT kurss? e. i.

produqtis fasi vlindeba masze

moTxovna-miwodebis mixedviT.

_ magaliTad?

_ magaliTad, Tu pomidori bevria

bazarSi da myidveli cotaa,

igi gaiafdeba, radgan gafuWdeba.

an piriqiT: Tu bevri myidvelia da

pomidori cotaa, maSin mis fass

aweven. vinc yvelaze mets gadaixdis,

is iyidis. igive xdeba valutazec:

magaliTad, erT mxares

evro da dolaria, meore mxares _

lari. Tu xalxs sWirdeba lari,

misi kursi zemoT adis. mokled,

gacvliT kurss moTxovna-miwodeba

aregulirebs. es aris martivi

WeSmariteba.

axla bolo dros ufro aqtiurad

daiwyes intervenciebi, rac,

Cemi azriT, misasalmebelia, Tumca

grZelvadian periodSi es problemas

ver gadaWris. magaliTisTvis:

ucxoel investors eubnebi,

rom saqarTveloSi Cados fuli.

am dros Seni erovnuli valuta yoveldRiurad

zemoT-qvemoT darbis.

ver gaTvlis is kaci grZelvadianad,

Zalian didi riski eqneba,

rac ZiriTadi xelis SemSleli

pirobaa. dRes Cveulebrivi adamianebi

veRar prognozireben, saku-

Tari xelfasiT, erTi Tvis Semdeg,

SeZleben Tu ara Tavis Senaxvas.

_ sad aris gamosavali?

_ gamosavali aris erTi _ Cven

unda wavideT evrozonisken! rogor

Sedixar evrokavSirSi, Tu

evrozonaSi ar xar? evrozonaSi

SeiZleba ise Sexvide, rom ar iyo

evrokavSiris wevric. anu Cven unda

SemoviRoT valutad evro.

amisTvis aris raRac moTxovnebis

CamonaTvali, romelic Cvenma saxelmwifom

unda daakmayofilos, es

ar gaxlavT ioli, magram amas bevri

muSaoba sWirdeba. amitom droa,

ukve daviwyoT muSaoba evrozona-

Si Sesasvlelad da gadaxdisTvis

gvqondes myari valuta, romelic

yoveldRiurad ar ufasurdeba da

es valuta aris evro!

roca adamianma icis, rom wels

aqvs asi evro Semosavali, im 100

evros raodenobis xorcs rasac

axla iyidis, igives gaimeorebs

erTi wlis merec. laris SemTxveva-

`gamosavali aris erTi - Cven unda wavideT

evrozonisken! rogor Sedixar evrokavSirSi,

Tu evrozonaSi ar xar? evrozonaSi SeiZleba

ise Sexvide, rom ar iyo evrokavSiris wevric.

anu Cven unda SemoviRoT valutad evro~

Si ki ase araa, radgan SevdivarT

maRaziaSi da vxedavT, xorci gaZvirda,

gansxvavebiT statistikis

departamentisgan, romelic gvarwmunebs,

rom saqarTveloSi mxolod

4%-ia inflaciao. arada, vxedavT,

rom fasebi ukve araTanabaria...

_ ufro konkretulad?

_ amitom vimeoreb: arsebobs

martivi gamosavali _ Cven unda

SevideT evrozonaSi. es ar aris

ioli, magram ukve unda daviwyoT

amaze muSaoba.

dRes msoflio, yvela qveyana

cdilobs sakuTari ekonomikis gadarCenas.

axla gvaqvs SesaZlebloba,

rom Cvens qveyanaSi meti investicia

Semovides,

radgan bevrma biznesma dainaxa,

rom im qveynebSi, sadac koronavirusze

ver SeZles kontroli

mTavrobebma, iq bizness problema

Seeqmna. Tu TanamSromlebi giinficirdebian,

samsaxuri giCerdeba

da Senc Cerdebi. ai, saqarTvelo

sakmaod kargad gaumklavda koronaviruss.

imedi maqvs, rom am

problemas umokles droSi gadavagorebT

da ufro metad viqnebiT

mosawoni da mimzidveli ucxouri

kompaniebisTvis, magram es TavisiT

ar moxdeba, Cvenma qveyanamac unda

iaqtiuros. rogorc kerZo, ise saxelmwifo

seqtorma unisonSi, erTmaneTis

daxmarebiT unda imuSaon

imaze, rom msxvil ucxour korporaciebs

saqarTveloSi arsebuli

perspeqtivebi SesTavazon, rom

maTi biznesebi aq gadmoitanon.

dabolos, minda vTqva: saxelmwifo

Cveulebrivad TaRliTobs,

roca wlebis manZilze ambobs, rom

saqarTveloSi umuSevroba ar aris,

xan 11%-s asaxeleben, xan _ 12%-s

da cifrebs imiT asabuTeben, rom

saqarTveloSi 840 000 TviTdasaqmebuli

aRiricxeba.

aRmoCnda, rom roca daxmarebebis

gasacemad sabuTi moiTxoves,

daaxloebiT, 110 000 adamiani iyo

bolo monacemiT, visac daexmarnen.

e. i. uxeSi gaTvliT, 700 000-ze meti

adamiani ar aris TviTdasaqmebuli,

mTavroba ayalbebs monacemebs da

uamravi umuSevari gvyavs saqarTveloSi,

rac realurad marTlac

asea!

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„qronika+~ dRevandel nomer-

Si mogiyvebaT adamianze, romelic me-20 saukunis qarTul

xelovnebaSi umniSvnelovanesi figura iyo. is ganekuTvneba 80-

ianelTa Taobas. evropuli Rirebulebebis qarTveli xelova-

nis unikaluri xelwera gascda qveynis sazRvrebs. ukve 80-90-

ian wlebSi evropam irakli farjiani did xelovanad aRiara.

irakli da saxareba

irakli farjiani 1950 wlis 22

maiss mestiaSi daibada. daamTavra

Tbilisis samxatvro akademia. 21

wlis asakSi uaxlovdeba Tbilisel

anTroposofosTa wres da pirvelad

ecnoba saxarebas; mas Semdeg

saxarebiseul Tematikas, SemecnebiTi

Tu SemoqmedebiTi azriT,

aRarc daSorebia.

marTalia, anTroposofia msoflmxedvelobaa

da ara religia, magram

rwmenisa da religiis akrZa-


anebiT ki, 1984-85 wlebSi, abasTumanSi

gaagrZela Terapia. farjianis

palata male SemoqmedebiT saxelosnodac

iqca. 1985 wels, megobrebis

miwveviT, pirvelad miemgzavreba,

sabWoTa kavSiris farglebs

gareT, aRmosavleT germaniaSi.

1989 wlis 9 aprils monawileobs

Tbilisis centrSi gamarTul

saprotesto aqciaSi, romelic sabWoTa

jarebma sastikad daarbies

da momwamvleli airi gamoiyenes.

mxuTavma airma irakli farjians

mxatvars eTmoba mTeli darbazi,

sadac warmodgenilia misi sxvadasxva

periodis 44 ferweruli Tu

grafikuli namuSevari.

garda amisa, muzeumis fondSi

daculia farjianis 27 tilo.

muzeumis koleqcia unikaluria da

is aris qarTveli mxatvris yvelaze

mdidari eqspozicia msoflio

samuzeumo sivrceSi.

* * *

marTalia, farjianis droebiTi

gamofenis gaxsna gadaido, magram

artistis iubilesTan dakavSirebiT,

wlis ganmavlobaSi, dagegmilia

ramdenime virtualuri gamofena.

22 maiss pirvelad CaeSveba mxatvris

vebgverdi

IRAKLIPARJIANI.COM, romelic

misma qaliSvilma _ sofo farjianma

Seqmna.

glebs gareT. garda amisa, fondi

miznad isaxavs axalgazrda mxatvrebis

xelSewyobas. fondis direqtoria

iuristi mixeil jiqia.

* * *

miuxedavad xanmokle cxovrebisa,

irakli farjianma soliduri

mxatvruli memkvidreoba datova.

cnobili seriebi da ciklebi

farjianis Semoqmedebidan:

* Sexvedrebi;

* saxarebebi;

* religiuri scenebi;

* portretebi;

* yvavilebi;

* abstraqciebis seria;

* qarTuli zRaprebi;

* fausti;

* odisea;

* sabavSvo biblia;

41 wlis asakSi Caferflili sicocxle

da irakli farjianis ukvdavi xelovneba

lvisa da sabWoTa ideologiis xanaSi,

swored, anTroposofiam ubi-

Zga iraklis saxarebis Seswavlisa

da qristianobis siRrmiseuli

gaazrebisken. amave dros, is guldasmiT

swavlobda goeTes „ferTa

Teorias”.

1978 wels irakli farjiani ioanes

saxarebis gadaweraze iwyebs

muSaobas.

80-ian wlebSi is TviTon amzadebs

misTvis sasurveli pastelis

ferebs da mxatvrobaSi ase eyreba

safuZveli farjianiseul xelweras

teqnikaSi. ioanes saxarebis

dasrulebis Semdeg, 1979 wels, mxatvari

wignis formas aZlevs

markozis saxarebas.

irakli farjians oTxive saxarebis

gadawera hqonda Cafiqrebuli.

lukas saxarebaze muSaoba man

80-ian wlebSi daiwyo, Tumca ver

daasrula. lukas saxarebis ilustraciebi

mcenareuli saRebaviT

aris Sesrulebuli da xatwerul

xasiaTs atarebs.

gardacvalebamde ramdenime

TviT adre...

1991 wels, gardacvalebamde

ramdenime TviT adre, mxatvarma

xelaxla gadawera ioanes saxareba.

1983 wels irakli farjiani

leningradSi (sankt-peterburgi)

gaemgzavra samkurnalod, Tumca

1984 wlis dekemberSi TviTneburad

Sewyvita mkurnalobis kursi da

saqarTveloSi dabrunda, mogvi-

kidev ufro dauziana janmrTeloba.

miuxedavad amisa, igi uars ar

ambobs misTvis Zalze mniSvnelovan

SemoTavazebaze da 1989 wlis

zafxulSi dasavleT berlinSi miemgzavreba,

sadac 1990 wels sami

qarTveli mxatvris _ koka ignatovis,

gogi aleqsi-mesxiSvilisa da

irakli farjianis erToblivi

gamofena Sedga.

„berlinis ciklis” saxelwodebiT

cnobili masStaburi ferweruli

tiloebi swored dasavleT

berlinSia Seqmnili.

* * *

22 maiss irakli farjians 70

weli Seusruldeboda. am mrgval

TariRTan dakavSirebiT qarTuli

saxviTi xelovnebis muzeumis gundi

gegmavda artistis masStabur

gamofenas, sofo farjianis (iraklis

qaliSvili) kuratorobiT, magram,

pandemiis gamo, irakli farjianis

axali eqspoziciis mowyoba

muzeumis droebiT sagamofeno

sivrceSi ramdenime TviT gadaido.

* * *

qarTuli saxviTi xelovnebis

muzeumis mudmivmoqmed eqspoziciaSi

irakli farjianis koleqcias

gansakuTrebuli adgili ukavia.

saitze SesaZlebeli iqneba farjianis

Sesaxeb mniSvnelovani informaciis

moZieba da onlain gamofenebis

naxva. garda amisa, iubilesTan

dakavSirebiT daiwera

mniSvnelovani kvlevebi da statiebi

artistis Semoqmedebaze. maT

Sorisaa xelovnebaTmcodnisa da

kuratoris, konstantine bolqva-

Zis teqsti da virtualuri gamofena

„sxva irakli” misive kuratorobiT.

irakli farjianis

saxelobis fondi

aRsaniSnavia, rom wels aseve

daarsda irakli farjianis saxelobis

fondi, romlis mizania xelovanis

piradi araqonebrivi da qonebrivi

saavtoro uflebebis mar-

Tva.

„fonds marTavs iuristebis

jgufi. aviReT evropuli fondis

modeli, romelic konkretul

cnobil xelovanebze muSaobs.

gvinda, rom es moduli davnergoT

saqarTveloSi”, _ ambobs mxatvari

sofo farjiani.

rogorc farjianma „qronika+”-

sTan ganacxada, kanasknel wlebSi

irakli farjianis namuSevrebis

gayalbebisa da am aslebis gayidvis

mravali SemTxveva aRmoCnda,

ris winaaRmdegac fondi amieridan

aqtiurad ibrZolebs.

fondis misiaa aseve irakli

farjianis Semoqmedebis popularizacia

saqarTveloSi da mis far-

* galaktioni da sxv.

irakli farjians personaluri

gamofena sicocxleSi arasdros

hqonia. misi namuSevrebi evropaSi

araerT jgufur gamofenaze iyo

warmodgenili italiasa da germaniaSi.

gardacvalebis Semdeg mniSvnelovani

gamofenebi Sedga araerT

qveyanaSi, maT Soris, sagulisxmoa

gioTenaumis (1994), vatikanisa

(1995) da parizis (1996)

gamofenebi.

irakli farjianis araerTi

gamofena gaimarTa bolo wlebSic

TbilisSi. maT Sorisaa 2019 wels

gamarTuli:

„abasTumnis Soba” „baia galereaSi”;

amave wels galaktionis seria

gamoifina abreSumis qarxanaSi.

irakli farjianis yvelaze didi

koleqcia dRes TbilisSi, qarTuli

saxviTi xelovnebis muzeumis

mudmivmoqmed eqspoziciaSia warmodgenili,

misi namuSevrebi daculia

msoflios araerTi qveynis

kerZo koleqciebSic.

asmaT farjiani, iraklis

meuRle:

„41 wlis asakSi Caferflili

sicocxle misi naxatebiT isev ganagrZobs

arsebobas. ukvdaveba ki,

albaT, swored maSin modis, rodesac

cxovrebaSi sabediswero arCevans

akeTeb.

iraklim sicocxlesa da Semoqmedebas

Soris Semoqmedeba arCia”.

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momReral kaxa kuxianiZes or

Tveze met xans mouwia karantinSi yofna. am drois ganmavlo-

baSi man bevri ram gadaafasa sakuTar TavSi, bevr rameze

dafiqrda da axla yvelafers sxva TvaliT uyurebs.

`ratom ar

SeiZleba,

koncertebi

daigegmos, Tuki

lilos bazroba

gaixsna?~

ra problemis winaSe aRmoCnda

momRerali? ras fiqrobs igi

dawesebul SezRudvebze? _ am da

sxva saintereso sakiTxebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+”-s kaxa kuxianiZe es-

aubreba:

_ kaxa, rogori iyo karantinSi

gatarebuli ori Tve?

_ or Tveze met xans momiwia

karantinSi yofna. rodesac Cvens

qveyanaSi kovid 19-is Semoteva daiwyo,

simarTle giTxraT, panikaSi

ar Cavvardnilvar, absoluturad

yvela wess vemorCilebodi, ar

varRvevdi arafers, magram, daaxloebiT,

8-9 marts mivxvdi, rom

gareT ar unda mevlo da bevrad

adre daviwye karantini.

_ ase adre ratom daiwyeT sax-

lSi gamoketva?

_ mivxvdi, rom sportul darbazSi

ar unda mevlo, radgan male

daxuravdnen. Cemi samsaxuri veRar

muSaobda, imitom rom mSoblebs

SeeSindaT da bevri faqtoris gamo

momiwia saxlSi yofna. zogadad,

CemTvis ar arsebobs SabaT-kvira

dasvenebisTvis, radgan yoeldRe

aqtiuri var. am yvelafers miveCvie

da momwons aseTi cxovreba.

_ ra gagiWirdaT yvelaze

metad?

_ yvelaze metad ufunqcioba

gamiWirda _ adamianebTan ukontaqtoba,

Cemi saqmis wyveta da axal

realobasTan Sexvedra, amis, gacnobiereba.

erTi, rac Zalian momewona,

iyo is, rom bevri ram gadafasda.

ar vici, Tu gaqvT nanaxi

foto, sadac cxovelebi arian gareT,

xalxi ki _ saxlSi gamoketili.

adamianebi Zalian cudad viqceviT,

amas adrec vambobdi da axlac vimeoreb.

_ ras niSnavs, cudad viqceviT?

_ Tundac, garemos veqceviT

cudad. amdeni xe-tyis Cexa! aseve

cudad veqceviT cxovelebs. erTmaneTs

veqceviT cudad, pativiscema

da ridi davkargeT. Cven rom

sruli Tavisufleba gvqondes, ma-

Sin viaroT quCaSi sruliad SiSvlebma

da rac gvinda, is vakeToT.

raRac CarCoebi aucilebelia _

zRvargadasuli adamiani cxovelze

uaresia.

_ raze CagafiqraT am movle-

nebma?

_ adamianis cxovrebis sazrisze.

Zalian rTulia kovid pandemiis

dramatuli ganviTarebis yureba _

mTeli kacobrioba gamoiketa saxlebSi...

magram es upirobo niSania

imisa, rom sxvanairad unda vicxovroT.

erTmaneTis mimarT pativiscema

aRar arsebobs da Zalian

didma Surma daisadgura adamian-

Si. magaliTad, 90-ian wlebSi megobars

rom megobrisTvis raRacis

garkveva eTxova da is daviwyeboda,

Zalian did sircxvilad iTvleboda,

magram dRes aucileblad

daaviwydeba da amas arafrad

Caagdebs. is pativiscema aRar arsebobs,

rac iyo.

_ fsiqologiurad ramdenad

rTuli iyo es yvelaferi?

_ Zalian mxiaruli „garekva”

mqonda. ar vuyurebdi televizors,

mxolod musikas vusmendi. ori dRe

viwvnie Semoteva, radgan cudi

amindi iyo, Sesabamisad, televizoris

yureba momiwia da am dros

miwaze daveSvi. mivxvdi, rom Cemze

Zalian cudad moqmedebda informaciebis

mosmena, amitom saerTod

Sevwyvite es. ramdenime megobars

vxvdebodi kviraSi erTxel, romlebic

analogiurad saxlebSi iyvnen

gamoketilebi da erTi wre

varT.

_ wesebs icavdiT?

_ rasakvirvelia.


`Tu samsaxurebs ar

davubrundebiT, rogor

unda viarseboT?!~

_ socialur qselSi aqtiurob-

diT da tik-tokis videoebs gvT-

avazobdiT. kidev riT erTobod-

iT?

_ imdenad mxiaruli „garekva”

mqonda, rom mec avdeqi da daviwye

tik-tokebis gadaReba, ramac aseve

Zalian gamamxiarula. dRes am ku-

TxiT ar vaqtiurob, radgan ukve

gamiara.

_ rogori iyo erTi Cveule-

brivi dRe, kidev riT irTobdiT

Tavs?

_ ZiriTadad, saxlSi vvarjiSobdi.

_ wonaSi moimateT?

_ wonis problema ar maqvs. ise,

varjiSis dros kunTi izrdeba da

mag mxriv tanisamosi mWirdeba

xolme cota didi. zogadad, wona-

Si momateba kacobriobis problema

gaxda.

_ socialur qselSi werdiT,

rom karantinSi Tambaqo gadaag-

deT.

_ Cemda gasakvirad, Tambaqos

veRar vewevi. ukve 3 kviraa, zizRi

damewyo, magram manamde jer sigareti

Sevcvale da bolos mivxvdi,

rom aRar miyvars. daaxloebiT 22

welia, sigarets vewevi.

_ aRar gindebaT?

`momRerlebic adamianebi varT, romlebic

mosaxleobas uyvars, Cveni simRerebi uyvarT,

Cveni msmeneli gvyavs da aucilebelia CvenTan

Sexvedra. Cven taSic davukariT eqimebs, magram

am taSis dakvriT ver viqnebiT dRes

kmayofilebi, radgan saWmeli unda vWamoT da

bankis vali vixadoT~

`kulturis

saministrosTan

civilizebuli

dialogi unda

Sedges~

_ sunic ki maRizianebs. sxvaTa

Soris, yavasac veRar vsvam. Zalian

bevr yavas vsvamdi, axla mxolod

diliT mivirTmev da es sruliad

sakmarisia. garda amisa, momiwesrigda

Zilis reJimi.

_ rTul da mniSvnelovan sak-

iTxs SevexoT. Tqveni Semosavlis

wyaro simReraa, faqtobrivad,

umuSevari darCiT. ramdenad didi

finansuri ziani mogadgaT?

_ me ki ara, zogadad, mTlianad

kacobriobas miadga finansuri

ziani. Tebrvlis mere Semosavali ar

maqvs. marTalia, ar mSia da ar mwyuria,

magram es ar niSnavs, rom

milxins da kargad var. yvela Zalian

cud mdgomreobaSia. yvelas

aqvs bankis vali, iseve rogorc mec

da sakmaod solidur Tanxas vixdi

yovelTviurad. ar vcxovrobT im

fufunebaSi, rom adamianebs Tanxa

gvqondes gadadebuli da ramdenime

Tve fexi-fexze gadadebulebma

vicxovroT. yvelaze rTul situaciSi

ki xelovani xalxi aRmoCnda.

viRacas hgonia, rom es CvenTvis

garTobaa. arada, Cveni Semoqmedebis

realizeba didi Sromisa da energiis

fasad gvijdeba. es aris CvenTvis

samsaxuri da namdvilad gvesaWiroeba

yuradRebis moqceva. Zalian

gamixarda, rom meriis kulturis

samsaxuri musikalur prodiuserebs

Sexvda da azrebis gacvlagamocvla

daiwyo. albaT, interesi

gaCnda da imedia, nel-nela dalagdeba

yvelaferi. Cven Tu samsaxurebs

ar davubrundebiT, ra unda vqnaT,

rogor unda viarseboT, rogor

unda gadavixadoT komunaluri gadasaxadi

da bevri sxva ram?

_ Tebervlidan umuSevari

xarT, daketeT studiebi, aRar

tardeba aranairi saxis koncerti.

ra iyo da aris amJamad Tqveni

Semosavlis wyaro, riT irCendiT

Tavs es periodi?

_ im Tanxis xarjva daviwye, romelic

sxva saqmisTvis iyo saWiro.

cxovrebaSi lari aravisTvis miTxovia.

me gamimarTla am SemTxveva-

Si, magram es ar niSnavs, rom kargad

var, radgan Tanxa, romelsac

vxarjav, faqtobrivad, valia da

mere unda vistumro.

_ bevri gegma CageSalaT?

_ maisSi oTxi koncerti unda

yofiliyo evropaSi da mgoni, arc-

Tu iseTi patara Semosavalia. amis

garda, dagegmili iyo simRerebis

Cawera da klipis gadaReba. aseve

zafxulSi unda yofiliyo koncertebi

da xedavT, rom, jerjerobiT,

yvelaferi gaCerebulia.

_ ramdenad misaRebia dawesebu-

li SezRudvebi da gamkacrebuli

zomebi?

_ iciT, ra mikvirs? is Tu aris

daSvebuli, rom lilos bazrobam

imuSaos, sadac marneulidan da

gardabnidan dadian adamianebi (sadac

yvelaze didi epidafeTqeba

iyo), ra daaSava im xalxma, visac

koncerti unda Tundac Ria cis

qveS? ra daaSaves adamianebma, romlebic

amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi

gamoketilebi iyvnen da undaT, gamopranWulebi

wavidnen koncertze?

ratom ar SeiZleba, koncertebi

daigegmos, Tu lilos bazroba

gaixsna?

_ aseT pirobebSi rogor war-

mogidgeniaT muSaoba?

_ magaliTad, restornebi

Zalian cud dReSi arian, radgan

iseTi SezRudvebi dauwesdaT, rom

fizikurad ver umklavdebian xarjebis

dafarvas.

_ piradad Tqven sad xedavT

gamosavals?

_ Cems saqmeze Tu visaubrebT,

aucilebelia am sferos warmomadgenlebTan

Sexvedra, gavuziaroT

erTmaneTs mosazrebebi, adamianebi

varT da Cvenc gvaqvs saTqmeli. ar

vCxubob da ar maqvs pretenziebi, es

ubralod yoveldRiuri moTxovnilebaa

da ara _ komforti. yvela

erT dReSi varT, Cven ki Zalian bevrni

varT. vfiqrob, kulturis

saministrosTan civilizebuli dialogi

unda Sedges. momRerlebic

adamianebi varT, romlebic mosaxleobas

uyvars, Cveni simRerebi uyvarT,

Cveni msmeneli gvyavs da aucilebelia

CvenTan Sexvedra. Cven ta-

Sic davukariT eqimebs, magram am

taSis dakvriT ver viqnebiT dRes

kmayofilebi, radgan saWmeli unda

vWamoT da bankis vali vixadoT.

_ xSirad gvesmis: unda viswavloT

am virusTan erTad cxovre-

ba. ras niSnavs es yvelaferi

TqvenTvis?

_ mimaCnia, rom pirbade, romelic

maRaziaSi molares Tu konsultants

ukeTia 24 saaTis ganmavlobaSi,

Zalian cudia janmrTelobisTvis.

es pirbade, savaraudod,

unda ekeTos inficirebul adamians

da zafxulSi, sicxeSi yovelad

dauSvebelia, janmrTelma adamianma

ataros igi.

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dekanoz nikita TalakvaZis

gagrZeleba, dasawyisi ix.

„qronika+” ##35-41 (2019w.);

#2-9 (2020w.)

„qronika+~ agrZelebs dekanoz

nikita TalakvaZis dRiuris gamoqveynebas.

SegaxsenebT, rom „literaturuli

muzeumis” mier wlebis

winaT gamocemuli wigni, „mo-

qalaqe mRdvlis dRiurebi”, rigi

garemoebebis gamo, faqtobrivad,

farTo mkiTxvelisTvis xelmiuwvdomelia.

masalaSi, romelsac qve-

moT warmogidgenT, ZiriTadad,

saubaria saeklesio intrigebsa da

kuluarebze. nikita TalakvaZis

SefasebebiT es kuluarebi da

faqtebi dRevandeli gadasaxe-

didanac ki sakmaod mZime gasaazr-

ebelia da uamrav „nacnob” Tu

ucnob movlenas, cnobil Tu sa-

zogadoebisTvis ucnob personas

saerTod sxva kuTxiT warmoaCens.

SegaxsenebT, rom nikita TalakvaZe

daibada medaviTnis ojax-

Si. 1889-1895 wlebSi swavlobda

Tbilisis sasuliero seminariaSi,

1895-1899 wlebSi ki _ kievis sasuliero

akademiaSi; 1899-1902ww. _

muSaobda quTaisis sasuliero saswavlebelSi

maswavleblad; 1902

wlis dekembris pirvel ricxvebSi

jer diakvnad akurTxes, Semdeg ki

mRvdlad daasxes xeli da foTis

wminda aleqsandre nevelis saxelobis

sakaTedro taZris winamZ-

Rvrad dainiSna; mama nikitam, mitrofane

laRiZis, sosiko merkvila-

Zisa da sxvaTa daxmarebiT, aRadgina

wminda Tamar mefis xsovnis dRe

da Tamarobis dResaswauli.

nikita TalakvaZe iyo episkopos

kirion I-is (saZagliSvili) Tanamoazre.

aqtiurad monawileobda avtokefaliur

moZraobaSi. 1912

wels igi anCisxatis yovladwminda

RvTismSoblis Sobis saxelobis eklesiis

winamZRvrad ganamweses.

1917 wels mieniWa dekanozis wodeba.

1917 wlis 8 marts mama nikitas

binaze Sedga saidumlo kreba,

romelsac eswrebodnen noe Jordania,

aleqsandre lomTaTiZe, sosiko

merkvilaZe da episkoposi antoni

(giorgaZe). krebaze gadawyda,

rom 12 marts sveticxovelSi gadaexadaT

samSvidobo paraklisi,

xolo Semdeg waekiTxaT avtokefaliis

aRdgenis aqti.

1917-1920 wlebSi dekanozi nikita

iyo sakaTolikoso sabWos wevri.

igi gaxldaT sruliad saqarTvelos

kaTolikos-patriarqis arCevnebis

dros xmis damTvleli komisiis

Tavmjdomare da pirvelma

gamoacxada axlad aRdgenili qar-

Tuli eklesiis meTaurad kaTolikos-patriarqi

kirion II (saZagliSvili).

1918-1921 wlebSi dekanozi

nikita gamoirCeoda aqtiuri moRvaweobiT,

rac gaagrZela qveynis

gasabWoebis Semdegac.

sabWoTa xelisufleba aviwroebda

uSiSrad mamxilebel

moZRvars. 1922 wlis 17 oqtombers

qalTa saswavleblis direqtorma

igi maswavleblobidan daiTxova;

1924 wels dekanozi nikita aiZules,

daetovebina eklesia. igi jer

saqarTvelos finsaxkomis sabiujeto

ganyofilebis ufrosad muSaobda,

Semdeg _ kulturis saministroSi.

dekanozi nikita iyo Tavisi

drois SesaniSnavi mqadagebeli.

Cvenamde moaRwia misma araerTma

qadagebam. igi avtoria Canawerebisa,

romelic cnobilia, rogorc

„moqalaqe-mRvdlis dRiuri”.

(gagrZeleba)

21 maisi. kvira.

zaqaria WiWinaZis iubile, _ 50

wlis moRvaweoba mwignobrobis

asparezze! gaimarTa zeimi saxazino

saopero Teatris darbazSi.

bileTebi xelze iyideboda, bileTebi

gayiduliyo, magram TviT

xalxi naklebad ikribeboda, Semdeg

gauRes karebi da sul yvelani usasyidlod

SeuSves. gamovcxaddiT

me da Cemi dek. maWaraSvili, erTi

milion maneTiT paketSi, SevediT

„saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiris

sabWoSi”, romlis TaosnobiTac

gaimarTa iubile, aRgvniSnes Cvenc

_ „kaTolikozis warmomadgenlebad”.

es WiWinaZe didi moamagea

Cveni mwignobrobis asparezze, jer

wignebiT vaWrobda, pirveldawyebi-

Ti skolac ar dauTavebia, Semdeg

Tavisi surviliT ganviTarebula,

Seuyvarebia kiTxva, Sehyvarebia

„wigni” _ jer bukinistobda, wignTsacavi

gaiCina, masTan ipoveboda 70

wlebSi saukeTeso wignebi rusul

enaze, ufro ki „aRkrZaluli”,

mTvrobisagan devnili avtorebisa;

am WiWinaZes awydeboda qarTveli

axal-gazrdoba, masTan hpoulobda

wasakiTxav wignebsa; gansakuTrebiT

eltoden mas tfilisis

sasuliero seminariis mowafeoba;

magis xel-mZRvanelobiT

hkiTxulobden wigns exlandeli

„socializmis” beladni CvenSi _

menSeviki noe Jordania da bolSeviki

_ f. maxaraZe; did-Zali wigni

aqvs gamocemuli am WiWinaZes, sxva

da sxva dargSi, ufro ki istoriulSi;

eseve avrcelebda wignebs

xalxSi, zurgze akidebuli dadioda

kuTxidan-kuTxeSi, ramdenimejer

Semovlili aqvs samcxe-saaTabago-samahmadiano

saqarTvelo,

saingilo, samegrelo-afxazeT-svaneTi,

_ yvelgan wigns avrcelebda,

wera-kiTxvas avrcelebda da

aTviTcnobierebda xalxs; Sedioda

muSaTa wreebSi, iqac Sehqonda wigni

da cnobiereba; TviTonac bevri

sakuTari nawerebi aqvs _ istorikosia!

amanve gamosca brosses akademiur

gamocemis Semdeg „qarTlis

cxovreba”; didZali nawerebi aqvs

gabneuli qarTul Jurnal gaze-

TobaSi; amasTanave aris kaci Sembralebeli,

magisi Raribi bina

yofila Rarib-Ratak-axal-gazrdobis

TavSesafari, bevri ubedureba,

devna-simware gamouvlia

da kidev kargi, rom am „komunistur”

xanaSi moxerxda magisi pativiscema.

bolos xalxmac sakmarisad

moiyara Tavi TeatrSi,

gaixsna iubile mweralTa kavSiris

kote mayaSvilis TavmjdomareobiT;

aman mokle biografiuli

cnobebi waukiTxa xalxs da moipatiJa

iubilari savarZelSi; iubilars

ovaciiT miegeba sazogadoeba,

_ scenaze idga WiWinaZis didi

suraTi, mxatvar zaziaSvilisagan

daxatuli. pirveli sityva warmosTqva

damsaxurebulma mweralma

vasil barnovma (es sasuliero

akademiisagan aris, jer Telavis

sasuliero saswavlebelSi, Semdeg

Tb. sasuliero seminariaSi namaswavlebeli,

exla qalTa gimnazia-

Sia (yofil eparqialurSi), kargi

romanistia; kbilebi aRar aqvs, wynari

xma aqvs da vera gavigoneT ra

misi sityvisa, Semdeg gamovida komunistur

mTavrobis warmomadgeneli

„amxanagi Todria” (es guruli

yofila, Tumca gvari

megruls ugavs); daiwyo sxapa-sxupiT

da baqi-buqiT laparaki,

zaqaria WiWinaZe, SeiZleba misuneburad,

Cvens, komunistur saqmes emsaxureboda,

muSur-glexur

mTavrobisaTvis amzadebda niadags,

es mdabio xalxis massidan aris

gamosuli, amav massaSi Sehqonda

sinaTle da Segnebao; amitom Cvenc

vRebulobT mis pativiscemaSi

monawileobas, Cven usurvebT mas,

rom ormocdaaTi weliwadi kidev

imuSaos da Cveni mTavroba mudam

magisi Semwe-mfarveli iqnebao; Sei-

Zleba bevrs gagecinoT gunebaSi da

sTqvaT _ „rogor, es komunistebi

kide hfiqroben amden xans CvenSi

gaCerebas, SeiZleba Tqven CvenTvis

aramc Tu 50 weli, 50 saaTic ar

gemetebodeso”! am sityvebze xalx-

Si astyda sicil-xarxari da taSiscema;

loJebSi damswre komunistebma

ukan, loJis siRrmeSi daiwies

sircxvilisa gamo; metad uxerxuli

mdgomareoba Seiqmna maTTvis _

saqveynod gamotanil iqmna is sazogadoebrivi

azri, romelic ase

uaryofiT egebeba komunistebis

moRvaweobas CvenSi; me vfiqrob,

rom „amxanagi Todria” SeniSvnas da

sayvedursac miiRebs am Taobaze...

Semdeg Cinebuli sityva warmosTqva

eqimma ivane gomarTelma, menSevikebis

erT-erTma TvalsaCino

warmomadgenelma; aman daaxasiaTa

WiWinaZis moRvaweoba savsebiT, Tu

rogor man „wigniT aiRo saqarTvelos

yvela bneli kuTxeebi,

rogorc kargma sardalma”... Semdeg

„narkom-prosis” (ganaTlebis saministro)

saxeliT artistma Salva

dadianma mokle sityviT miuloca

da ocdaxuTi milioni gadasca am

dawesebulebidan; Semdeg jeri

mosdga Cemzedac, gavedi Cemi

maWaraSviliT, ovaciebiT mogvegeba

xalxi, did-xans gvikravden taSs.

warmovsTqvi vrceli, dasabuTebuli

sityva „qarTul sulier kulturis

zeimobaze”; Sevexe qarTul

Zvel da axal mwerlobis msvlelobas

CvenSi, mwignobrobis ganvi-

Tarebas da gavrcelebas CvenSi;

wignma ra saswauli moaxdina,

rogor gaaTviTcnobiera xalxi,

Tu rogor sulier moTxovnilebad

gadaiqca CvenSi wigni da gaze-

Ti, Tu rogor Seiqna masaSi Segneba

Zmoba-erToba-Tanasworobisa,

Semohkriba dafleTili erovnuli

sxeuli CvenSi, rogor Camohkra

„Congurs” „naTelam” Tvisi grZneuli

TiTebi, rogor Caswvda samahmadiano

saqarTvelos _ deda-sam-

Soblos „iav-nana”! da „ra hqna am

iav-nanam”. am dros SigadaSig gacxarebuli

taSi da ovaciebi imarTeboda,

xSirad sityvas mawyvetiebden,

xolo mec xalxTan taSs

ukravdi iubilars. Semdeg davaxasiaTe

iubilaris am mimarTuleba-

Si diadi Rvawli da sruliad

saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarq

ambrosis saxeliT da qarTvel sam-

Rvdeloebis mondomilebiT miuloce

zaqarias naxevar saukunis

moRvaweoba _ muSa-futkrad

davsaxe is, romelic yvavilovan

saqarTvelos Tval-warmtac mindor-velidan

yvela kuTxeSi ezideboda

surnnelovan Tafls Segnebisa

da kulturisas; am Taflis

cvilidan Camoqnil sanTels

rogor anTebda zaqaria samSoblos

sakurTxevlis winaSe (isev ovaciebi).

usurve, raTa am „axal droSic”

ar mogvklebodes magisi gamobrZmedili

muSaoba, dRes mTeli msoflio

sduRs da boboqrebs, kacobrioba

gamosula social-ekonomiur-politikur

gardaqmna-ganaxlebis

jvaredin gzaze, am saerTo

oromtrialSi monawileobas Rebulobs

Cveni eric; qarTvelobaze

dRes laparakoben, sweren da kama-

Toben yvelgan da yvelani. cxadia,

Cvenc eri varT, Cvenc qudi gvxuravs

Tavze, Cven saerTo ferxulSi

varT Cabmulni. maS, dastkbi da

gaixare mxcovano muSako, rom

cudad ar Cauvlia Seni 50 wlis

moRvaweobis suliskveTebas. gisurvebT,

raTa ase mxneT, ase yo-

CaRad Sehgebebode Sen marad Seni

saqarTvelos WeSmarit Tavisuflebas

da aRorZinebas. qriste

aRsdga, Zmao zaqaria! _ da gadavkocne

is! maWaraSvilma paketiT

fuli gadasca. didi ovaciebi

gagvimarTa, rogorc xalxma, ise

TviT scenam. kargi gancda Seiqmna...

iubilars mougrovda as milionamde,

erTi didi tomara TeTri

kanadis fqvilic miarTves; sityvebi

da milocvebi blomad iyo.

qarTvel kaTolikeTa ori mRvdelic

iyo, erTi eris kaciT, aman waikiTxa

adresi, daibna, dabeWdili

adresic ki ver waikiTxa, aman cota

Segvawuxa; ise kargad Catarda zeimi...

zeimze me mgzavnian ToTibaZecincaZe-„mangleli”,

SublaZe-mirianovebi

ki sZoven Cvens eklesias,

fulebs agroveben da „scxovroben”!..

miuteve, ufalo!.. magra

ro ician da Segnebulad sCadian

yovelive amas?!. me cxovreba mi-

Wirs, maT Tavze gadasdis...

23 maisi

albad „amxanag Todrias”,

romelic zemod movixsenie, Zlier

SehSurda Cemi „dafnis gvirgvinebi”

WiWinaZis iubileze da gazeT

„komunistSi” gamamasxaraves WiWinaZisadmi

milocvis gamo: „gamoxta

scenaze riJa mRvdeli TalaqvaZe,

kaTolikozisagan daqiravebuli

da daiwyo raRaceebis

bodvao”!.. ai, ase sweren Cveni ubeduri

komunistebi „istorias”!

maTi sityva da saqme sul tyuilebze

da siyalbezea agebuli!..

23 maiss (ucnobni) viRac axalgazrdebi

movidnen CemTan binaze

da miTxres, rom xval, 24 maiss,

gaficva unda movaxdinoT Tbilis-

Si, gadawyvetilia _ dilis 11

saaTze, rodesac rkinisgzis depos

„gudoki” daiZaxebs, eklesiebma samgloviaro

zarebi unda CamorekoT,

duqan-maRaziebi daiketeba da mitingebi

gaimarTebao; eseni wavidnen,

exla sxvebi mosulan Cems binaze,

amaTac esa sTqves! quCaSi Semxvden

viRac-viRaceebi, amaTac es

miTxres! mikvirs ase gaficvis mowyoba!

araviTari konspiracia ar em-

Cneva saqmes, Tu amdenma xalxma

icis xvalindeli gaficvis gegma,

cxadia amas gaigeben mowinaaRmdegenic

da yovelive zomebs miiReben

windawinve, raTa CaSalon es gaficva;

aseT moufiqrebel da daumuSavebel

saqmeSi eklesiebis

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`moqalaqe-mRvdlis dRiuri~

CaTreva metad saxifaTo garemoebad

unda CaiTvalos, miT umetes,

rom eklesiebis ganZeulebaze ilesaven

kbilebs, yoveldRe sweren

am Taobaze ruseTis eklesiebidan

ganZeulebis gamotanaze, amiT amzadeben

CvenSi sazogadoebas, rom mas

ar gaukvirdes, Tu CvenSic komunistebma

gamoitanon taZrebidan

barZim-feSxumi, da oqro-vercxliani

xatebi Tu sxva samkaulebi;

amas garda kaTolikozis „memorandumisa”

gamoc metad gacecxlebulni

arian komunistebi; mosalodnelia

isedac Cvenze didi

devna-represiebi da exla aseT

gauTvaliswinebel gaficvaSic

iTreven Cvens eklesiebs. am Taobaze

arc samRvdeloebas aqvs erTmaneTSi

molaparakeba, arc kaTolikozisagan

viciT raime gankarguleba,

etyoba, rom ase TiTo-

TiTod CamouvliaT taZrebi da

mouxdeniaT „gaficvis komitets”

gankarguleba.

24 maisis gaficva

saqarTveloSi _ komunistebis

sawinaaRmdego demonstracia

gaTenda 24 maisi; dila-adrianve

qarTuli erovnuli droSa aRumarTaven

TviT sasaxleze, universitetSi

da zog-zog vaJTa Tu

qalTa gimnaziebSi! unda SevniSnoT,

rom 26 maisis molodinSi, komunisturma

mTavrobam yvela saswavleblebSi

macadineoba daasrulebia

20 maisisaTvis da vinc ki _ mowafe-maswavlebelni,

22-23-24 maiss

wavid-wamovidodnen qalaqidan

Tav-TavianT saxlebSi, maTTvis

ufaso vagonebi iqneboda sadgurze

samgzavrod momzadebulni;

cxadia TviT komunistebi elodnen

gamosvlebs 26 maisisaTvis, romlis

dResaswauloba maT mospes da

nacvlad 26 maisisa, gamoacxades

„saqarTvelos namdvil damoukideblobis

gamocxadebis dReT” 25

Tebervali 1921 wlisa, rodesac

komunistebi rusis wiTel armiiT

Semovidnen TbilisSi, daipyres is

da masTan mTeli saqarTvelo!..

rasakvirvelia gamokidebuli

erovnuli droSebi maSinve Camoxsnes

komunistebma da daxies isini!

zog-zog adgilze samgloviaro

Savi droSebic gamoefinaT, es

droSebic daxies komunistebma.

mTeli qalaqi sulganabuli elodeba

11 saaTze _ „gudokis” aSvebas.

me miTxres, zaris damrekavs

Cven TviTon gamovgzavniT, Tqven

nu SeswuxdebiTo; aseve iqneba

sionSi da sxva eklesiebzeo! mec ra

Rone mqonda, rac sxvas, is Cem

taZarsac, _ vifiqre me; amasTnave

iyo nabrZanebi, rom sanam depos

„gudoki” ar auSvebs xmas, manam

zarebis xmac ar unda aSvebuliyo.

anCisxatis samreklo maRalia, iq

qvevidan zars ver darekaven, samrekloze

Sesasvlelad saWiroa

gaRebul iqnas taZris derefani. me

da Cemma diakonma nikoloz yandarelma

gavaReT taZari, meore

dRe amaRlebaa, vloculobT, magram

zari ar dagvirekia, rom

raime arev-dareva ar Segvetana sazogadoebaSi.

am dros taZarSi Semovida

erTi ucnobi qera axalgazrda,

me zaris dasarekad gamomgzavneso!

me vkiTxe _ rodis, ra

niSanze unda daiwyo reka Tqo?! _

rogorc „gudoks” auSvebeno, _

mipasuxa man da daumata: „Tu „gudoki”

ar auSvan, zaris dareka ar

SeiZlebao, jer sionis zari unda

Camorekon da Semdeg sxva taZrebisao”.

Sesrulda 11 saaTi, ar ismis

„gudoki”! daiwyo meTormete

saaTi, ar ismis araviTari xma! am

dros taZarSi Semovida dek. zaqaria

lukaSvili (Cemi simamri), CuRureTis

wm. nikolozis winamZRvari.

aman moitana Semdegi ambavi: „quCeb-

Si milicia dadis, rom aravin gabedos

duqnebis daketva, didi mixla-moxlaa

quCebSi, etyoba gaficva

CaiSalao”. Seiqmna 11 1/2 saaTi,

zaris damrekavi axalgazrda wavida

da sTqva: „zari ar darekoT Tu

„gudokis” xma ar gaigonoTo”.

rodeac 12 saaTis Sesrulebas aTi

wuTiRa aklda, me taZari davkete,

samrekloze asavali kari Ria davstove

da wavedi sasaxlisaken; ro

miuaxlovdi kaloubnis taZars,

aqedan moismoda sadResaswaulo

zaris reka, aseTive yvela zarebis

reka moismoda qvaSveTis taZridan

da mama daviTidanac! maRaziebi da

duqnebi sul yvela Ria iyo, quCeb-

Si siwynare, xalxi blomad

seirnobda rusTavelis prospeqtze;

am dros Sevxvdi gzaSi nikoloz

arjevaniZes (generalia),

gaviareT prospektze da Semdegi

gul-saklavi suraTi davinaxeT:

Sua quCaSi modis ori cxenosani

wiTel armieli (rusni), cxenebSua

uyeniaT da qveiTad mohyaven ori

dapatimrebuli axal-gazrda qar-

Tvelni, _ etyobodaT, rom universitetis

studentebi iyvnen. amaT

„Zabrianqudiani” armielebi mierekebian

„CekaSi”, moseirne xalxi ki

zedac ar uyurebs maT! amaT ra

enaRvlebaT an ra edardebaT

qarTvel axalgazrdobis agre

darbeva-awiokeba. TbilisSi dRes

qarTveloba did umciresobas warmovadgenT,

aq gaficvis Catareba

yovlad SeuZlebelia! aivso Cveni

deda- qalaqi somxoba-kruebiT,

rusebiT, uriebiT, osebiT! eseni

yvelani SeerTdnen Cven Casaylapad,

amaT „xelmZRvaneloben”

qarTveli komunistebic da aSenda

ojaxi! aseT pirobebSi gaficvis

gamocxadeba qalaqSi uazrobaa...

gamoirkva Semdegi: kaloubans,

qvaSveTs, mama daviTs, Teodosis,

ioanne RvTis metyvelis (es ori

rusebisaa) eklesiebs sadResaswaulo

reka autexiaT, TiTqos paseqis

dResaswauls aTaveben amaRlebis

wina dRiT! amiT isini Tavs

imarTlebden mTavrobis winaSe Tu

pasuxs mosTxovden, imave dros sazogadoebis

winaSec _ „komitetis

winaSec” marTalni aRmoCndeboden,

_ „Cven zarebi davrekeTo”! aseTi

TaRliTobiT aba, ra sikeTe unda

gakeTdes?! nabrZanebia samgloviaro

zaris Camoreka, eseni ki „trezvons”

reken?! nabrZanebia „gudokze”

reka, eseni ki pirvel saaTze

reken! miuxedavad amisa, miuswres

qvaSveTSi diakon anton lazriSvils

rekis dros wiTel armielebma,

xmac ki ar amoaRebies, cematyepiT

waiyvanes „CekaSi”, magram

erTi saaTis Semdeg gaanTavisufles,

_ „Cven sadResaswaulo eklesiuri

reka gvqondao”, _ ganumartavs

mTavrobisaTvis qvaSveTis

dekanozs k. cincaZes! sionzec

CamourekiaT erTi-ori, magram maSinve

xeli utacniaT milicionerebs...

sionis quCaze Seecadnen

duqan-maRaziebis daketvas, magram

Tofis kondaxebiT Caumtvries cxvir-piri

movaWreebs, iseve gaaRebines,

vinc moaswro daketva, maT

daubeWdes maRaziebi da daiWires,

maRaziebs hketavden mxolod

qarTveloba, magram qarTveloba

ise mcirea movaWreTa Soris, rom

maTi duqnebis daketva arc ki Seem-

Cneva qalaqs. yofila Setakebani

quCebSi _ avlabarSi, abanoebis mxarezeda;

aq erT somex vaWars ise

SeSineboda, rom guli gaxeTqia da

iqve quCaze suli amosvlia!..

didi ambebi gadaxvedria Tavs

gaficulebs rkinis gzis deposTan,

aq „gudoki” windawinve CaugdiaT

xelSi komunistur mTavrobis agentebs,

„gudoki” ar auSves, jari

Seusies muSebs, moxda Setakebani,

sisxlic daiRvara da did-Zali

xalxi daapatimres, aivso cixeebi

qalaqSi!..

didi Setakeba momxdara universitetTanac;

Senoba ukve gare-moculi

iyo wiTel armielTagan, universitetSi

aRar uSvebden arc

studentobas, arc profesorebs.

rodesac reqtori ivane javaxiSvili

Sedioda ezoSi, SeaCeres is

rus-armielebma, ar gauSves, reqtori

ekiTxeba maT qarTulad, _

„ra ambaviao”, _ rusebi upasuxeben:

„ar gvesmis, ras laparakob, gvelaparakeT

rusulad, gasageb enazeo”!

javaxiSvils ver daaZrevines

rusulad verc erTi sityva, daapatimres

isic, magram male gaan-

Tavisufles; aseve moeqcen profesor

razmaZesac da sxvebsac...

studentoba _ qalebi Tu vaJebi,

daiZra veris sasaflaosaken, aq

gamarTes didi mitingi, auSves

erovnuli droSebi; magram ficxlad

gars Semoertya maT wiTelarmielebi

da milicielebis razmebi;

moxda Setakebani! gamZvinebul

vefxviviT ibrZoden qarTveli

qalebi _ studentebi, bevrs cxvirpiri

Caamtvries, tanisamosi Semoafxriwes,

daapatimres da cixeebi

Tu „Cekebi” aavses... ai, riT dasrulda

TbilisSi 24 maisis gaficva,

romelsac komunistebma „ajanyeba”

uwodes...

25 maisi _ amaRleba

dRes wynarad Caiara qalaqSi

cxovrebam. 26 maisisaTvis apirebden

kidev demonstracias, magram

vinRa moaxdenda demonstracias,

vinaidan yvela cocxali Zalebi

cixeebSi da „CekebSi” iqmnen amomwyvdeulni.

26 maisi

dRevandel dRes Cvenma komunistebma

Caidines udidesi dana-

Sauli, Tu rusul armiis saSvalebiT

saqarTvelos dapyroba

istoriul Ralatad da danaSaulad

CaeTvlebaT qarTvel komunistebs,

26 maisis dResaswaulis

mospobac uudides danaSaulad

unda iqmnes aRiarebuli. 1918 wlis

26 maisis nacvlad 1921 wlis 25

Tebervlis gamocxadeba _ es

saSineli TvalT-maqcobaa maTgniT!

Tu maT damoukidebeli saqarTvelo

swamdaT, 26 maisi unda xel-

Seuxeblad daetoebiaT, xolo 25

Tebervals „gadatrialebis” dReT

miiCnevden. WeSmariti damoukidebloba

saqarTvelom aRidgina 1918

wlis 26 maiss, xolo 1921 wlis 25

Tebervals man dahkarga es damoukidebloba,

isev rusTa batonobis

uRelqveS movxdiT qarTveli eri,

garna es monobis uReli daadastures

qarTvelma komunistebma

1921 wlis 26 maiss, rodesac am

dResac isini rus armielTa saSualebiT

ganagrZobden Cvens dedaqalaqSi

namdvil „nadirobas”!.. 26

maisi mainc aRiniSna deda-qalaqSi

demonstraciebiT, sxva da sxva

kuTxeebSi _ qalaqisaSi _ kidev

gamohfines samgloviaro droSebi,

iqa-aq moxda Setakebani, bevri daapatimres;

„saldaTis bazarze”

SuadRis pirvel saaTze, moulodnelad

moxda mitingi, erTma axalgazrdam

aafriala erovnuli dro-

Sa da warmosTqva mxurvale sityva!

Segrovda xalxi, mihket-mohketes

maRaziebi, magram gaCnden wi-

Tel-armieli rusebi, daapatimres

oratori, damswreTaganic, gahfantes

xalxi da Caamunjes yovelive;

sardafebSi da saxlebSi yovel

quCaze iyvnen am dRes Casafrebulni

wiTel armielebi, „ajanyebis”

molodinSi. ajanyebas ki aravin

hfiqrobda am dReebSi, es dReebi

surdaT aReniSnaT mxolod demonstraciebiT,

raTa ara sTqvan, rom

saqarTvelo Seurigda sabWoTa xelisuflebas,

rogorc amas sweren

eseni sazRvargareTul gazeTebs

da avrceleben cru cnobebs.

provinciaSi

es dReebi, rogorc mosalodneli

iyo, gansakuTrebuli simwvaviT

ganucdiaT saqarTvelos yvela

provinciaSi. grandiozuli sura-

Ti miuRia demonstracias guriis

sxva da sxva kuTxeSi; ozurgeTSi

Sewyvetila moqalaqoba, miuxedavad

imisa, rom wiTeli jariT

savsea iqauroba, moqalaqeT erTsulovnad

dauketiaT duqan-maRaziebi

da did-mitingze misulan;

momxdara Setakebani da dapatimrebac;

fiCxis jvarze (askanis sazogadoebaSi)

momxdara didi mitingi,

romelsac mTeli sazogadoeba

daswrebia; aq srolac autexia

armielebs xalxisaTvis, uiaraRo

xalxisaTvis! daxocilan kaci, qali

da bavSvebic ki! aseTive Setakeba,

xocva-Jleta momxdara lanCxuTSi;

samtrediaSi, quTaisSi, xonSi,

samegreloSidac didi srola da

xocva mouxdeniaT; didi demonstraciebi

mouxdeniaT TelavSi da

siRnaRSi; aq komunistebi xalxs

ganuiaraRebia kidec, yofila ise-

Ti momenti, rodesac mTeli xelis

ufleba CamourTmeviaT kidec maT-

Tvis, daupatimrebiaT isini, xolo

mitingebis gaTavebis Semdeg isev

gaunTavisuflebiaT da daubrunebiaT

xelis-ufleba. qiziySi danavardobs

vinme ColoyaSvilis

razmi 600 kacisagan Semdgari _ 300

cxenosanTa, 300-c qveiTosani, eseni

Tavzars scemen komunistebs, magram

ra unda gamovides aseTi

uazro SetakebebiT, Tu ar isev

xalxis dazianeba da moqalaqobriv

cxovrebis ufro arev-dareva...

Cveni sazogadoeba isev molodinSia

Tu ras ityvis gaagis konferencia,

romelic gagrZeleba iqneba

genuis konferenciisa. inglisis

premier loid-jorjs isev gaumarjvnia

parlamentSi, ganagrZobs

Tviss politikas; cxare mowinaaRmdegea

sabWoTa ruseTisa safrange-

Tis premieri puankare da misi ministri

bartu;

gagrZeleba 36-e gv.

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35-e gverdidan

amerika ganze sdgas, amaT

rusebTan molaparakeba ara swamT,

maTTan mxolod iaraRiT SeiZleba

laparakio; gavrcelda xma,

TiTqos, loid-jorji scdilobs

mourigdes germanias, daiTanxmos

amaze safrangeTi da Seqmnas

Zlieri kavSiri _ germaniisave

monawileobiT, raTa germania CamoaSoros

ruseTs samudamod, amitom

albad kompensacias miscemen

germanias versalis xel-Sekrulobis

sferoSi. loid-jorjs warmouTqvams

sityva ruseTis Sesaxeb:

ruseTis sakiTxi SeiZleba ori

gziT gadawydes _ an iaraRiT, an

miuSvaT ruseTi Tavis Tavzeo; (ese

igi TviTon amoiWamen TavianT

Tavsao!); iaraRis xmarebas

ruseTze antanta erideba, muSaTa

sakiTxi evropaSiac sakmaod asafeTqebel

masalas Seicavs da eSiniaT

socialur revoliuciisa,

amitom, unda vifiqroT, rom meore

gzas daadgeba antanta ruseTisadmi,

Tavisi Zal-RoniT ruseTi verasdros

ver gaswordeba welSi,

jer udidesi SimSiloba, romelmac

gamoiwvia ruseTSi adamianTa xorcis

Wama, arc axali mosavali iZleva

imedebs, vinaidan Zlier cota

daTesila mindvrebi ruseTSi,

Teslisa da samuSao iaraR-saqonlis

uqonlobisa gamo; gzebi _

transporti, qvanaxSiris maRaroebi,

TviT baqos navTis damuSaveba

metad samwuxaro mdgomareobaSia;

mosalodneli ufro meti SimSiloba

da ubedureba; am ubedurebaSi

ki kavkasiac iqneba CaTreuli,

Cvens Tvalwinac imarTeba saSineli

suraTi SimSilobisa, xolerisa,

Jamisa da aTasgvar sneulebaTa;

aivso saqarTvelo rusebiT, somxebiT-kruebiT,

uriebiT! gansakuTrebul

jaSuS-moRalateTa

rols TamaSobs Cveni „Zveli mezobeli”

_ somxoba! am gaficvis

dReebSi did samsaxurs uwevden

eseni komunistebs, viRac mamikonianis

meTaurobiT TbilisSi Semdgara

5000 kacisagan organizacia,

romelic daxmarebas uwevs wiTelarmias

saqarTveloSi, qarTvelebze

nadirobaSi! amas wineT qalTa XX

texnikumSi, sadac me ganvagrZob

maswavleblobas, somxiTis istoriis

maswavlebelma vinme ter- avetisianma

(profesor marris mowafe

varo, iZaxis) _ daSnakma, samaswavleblo

oTaxSi misayvedura _

menSevikebi somxebs gviWerden TbilisSi,

gvasaxlebden aqedano,

Cemzedac nadirobdeno _ „Ëîâèëè

íàñ ïî óëèöàì”, gaxsovs esa?!” _ SemekiTxa!

me upasuxe: „es ki ar maxsovs,

magram is kargad maxsovs, Tu

rogor somxebi da TaTrebi 1905

wels erTmaneTze nadirobdiT,

erTmaneTs JuJRavdiT, xolo

qarTvelebi gaSvelebdaT orTave

mxares Tqo, _ „Ãðóçèíû âàñ

ðàçíèìàëè”! nuras ukacravad, Tu

somex-qarTvelTa omis dros,

romelic isev Tqven gamoiwvieT, da

romlis dros qalaqSi Tqven frontis

Seqmnas SeecadeT, Tu maSin

menSevikebma es CagiSales da cota

Segawuxes Tqo! magre istoria

rodi iwereba Tqo! aba, miixedmoixede

dRes Cvens deda-qalaqSi,

vin visze nadirobs, harum Tqo!..

damswreni _ rusni _ somexni da

qarTvelni yurs gvigdebden am

paeqrobis dros da bolos sicili

daiwyes!.. metad atexilnia somxoba

dRes CvenSi! metad Tavmobezrebulni

arian qarTveloba maTgniT

da cota ram gadatrialebaa sakmarisi,

rom moTminebis fiala gadmovides

da somxobas „dalaqma”

sisxli gaarTvas! esRa aklia ubedur

somxis ers, rom saqarTvelo-

Siac daiwyon maTi JuJRva, aqac

dahkargon maT Tavs-Sesafari!!!

dee, TavisTavs daabralon yovelive...

samRvdeloebis jildoebze

kaTolikoz ambrosis, rogorc

zemodac aRvniSneT, rasakvirvelia,

menSevikebis zegavleniT, „mowodeba”

gaugzavnia genuis konferenciaze

da SeuCivlia „ganaTlebul

kacobriobis warmomadgenelTaTvis”

rusTa batonobis

ganaxleba saqarTveloSi amJamad

komunizmis samoselSi da moiTxovda

rusis armiis gayvanas saqarTvelos

teritoriidan. aseT „mowodebis”

Sedgena Tu gagzavna mas

aravisTvis ar ucnobebia, arc Sei-

Zleboda es farTo wreebSi

gasuliyo, magram zogierTebs

mainc unda gvcodnoda aseTi

nabiji Cveni eklesiis Tavisa, raTa

yovelive SemTxvevisaTvis mzad

vyofiliyaviT! magram amisi Rirsi

ar gagvxada ki ambrosim, isev iseve

Tavis wreSi mikerZoebiT moqmedebs

yvelaferSi da ase moiqca am didad

sapasuxismgeblo saqmeSic! albad

kaTolikozs da mis kompanias egonaT,

rom genuis konferencia ai-

Zulebda

komunistebs

saqarTvelodan gasvlas da amaT

SerCebodaT gmiroba-mamuliSviloba!

magram amaTi aseTi Wkuamokle

molodini ar gamarTlda,

genuis konferencia CaiSala, xolo

kaTolikozis „mowodeba” da noe

Jordanias gancxadeba konferenciaze

ruseTis delegatma CiCerinma

gadmogzavna moskovSi, moskovidan

TbilisSi da astexes

saSineli gangaSi aqaur gazeTebSi!

gazeTi ori gamodis dRes Tbilis-

Si _ qarTuli „komunisti”, xolo

rusuli „Ïðàâäà Ãðóçèè”, _ es jer

gadaakeTes „Ïðàâäà Çàêàâçêàçüÿ”-aT,

magram isev aRadgines „Ïðàâäà

Ãðóçèè”! mesame gazeTi gamodioda

memarcxene social- federalistebisa

„tribuna”, magram 24 maisidan

isic SeaCeres da darCaT burTi da

moedani „presisa” komunistebs.

rusulSi Tu qarTulSi es ori

Tvea sul kaTolikozis „memorandumis”

gamo sweren da oxunjoben

komunistebi TavianT gazeTebSi!

kaTolikozi metismet populiar

pirovnebad gaxda saqarTveloSi!

xSirad vrceldeba xma _ ai, exla

daapatimres kaTolikozi, „CekaSi”

Casves, metexSi gadaiyvanes; saxli

gauCxrikes da am Cxrekis dros

kaTolikozma didis sulieri simtkiciT

mimarTa Cekistebs: „suli

Cemi ekuTvnis RmerTs, guli sam-

Soblos, xolo leSi miiReT komunistebmao”!

es aforizmi sxva da

dekanoz nikita TalakvaZis

sxva variaciiT trialebs da meordeba

Cvens sazogadoebaSi! namdvilad

ki jer kaTolikozisaTvis

xmac ki aravis gaucia, arc Cveneba

CamourTmeviaT misTvis, pasuxi ar

mouTxoviaT misgan, arc binaze

misula masTan vinme da arc mas

uTqvams vinmesTvis zemoaRniSnuli

sityvebi! mxolod gazeTebSi amasxaraveben,

dascinian, emuqrebian,

„albad ambrosis SeSurda moskovis

patriarq tixonis dafnis gvirgvinio”!

es tixoni winaaRudga komunistebs

eklesiebidan ganZeulobis

gatanis saqmeSi; magierSi komunistebma

ganxeTqileba Camougdes

mas „dabal da maRal samRvdeloebaSi”,

_ dabali samRvdeloeba,

episkopoz antoninis meTaurobiT,

gadaudga tixons, is gadaayenes

Tanamdebobidan, xolo komunistebma

tixoni misces revoliucionur

tribunals samsjavroSi,

rogorc „kontr-revoliucioneri”!..

aqve aRvniSnav imasac, rom ruse-

Tis eklesiaSi didi anarqiaa,

ukraina gavida avtokefalur

kievis mitropoliaT, mgoni cimbiric

gamoeyoT, donic, caricinic

_ Tvisi cru-patriarq _ iliodariT;

ramodenime cru-patriarqebi

hyavT dRes ruseTSi; amas

garda moskovis samRvdeloebaSi

Semdgara Zlieri mimdinareoba

episkopatis winaaRmdeg, episkoposebi

eklesiebis Tavadebi- kniazebia,

ar gvinda isini, presviter-

Ta kolegia aRviaroT eklesiis

saTaveSio da sxva... ganZeuloba

mainc gaitanes ruseTis eklesiebidan,

did-Zali oqro-vecxli da

Zvirfasi qvebi. didi RvTis wyroma

daatyda sinodalur eklesias

Tviss codvebisa gamo...

ai, am garemoebaze uTiTeben

ambrosis, aSineben mas, _ „Àìâðîñèé

òðåïåùåòú çà ñâîþ ñóäüáó”-o! uweren

mas!.. aseTi mZime momenti dagvidga

saqarTvelos eklesiaSi! mosalodnelia

represiebi, mosalodnelia

Cveni eklesiebis gafcqvnac, mosalodnelia

Tu kaTolikozs axleben

xels, Cvenc gvaxleben xels. amitom

saWiroa didi sifrTxile,

windaxeduloba, sifaqize cxovrebaSi,

moqmedebaSi, marTva-gamgeoba-

Si. Cveni kaTolikozi da misi amala

ki (sakaT. sabWo) ise iqceva,

TiTqos sxva planetaze viyoT Cven

da sxvaze yovelive is, rac aRvniSneT!

eklesiebSi wirvis Semdeg mar-

Tven did-did sadilebs _ eklesiebisave

xarjiT: magaliTad, petrepavles

sasaflaoze miiwvia kaTolikozi

cnobilma SublaZe dekanozma,

sadilze 65 suli hyavdaT,

oci milioni fuli dahxarjeso!

aseve iyo „Tamarobas” didubeSi 14

maiss (1 Zv. st.), aq 25 milioni daxarjes!

kviracxovelis Ratak taZarSi

3 1/2 milioni; amaRlebisaSi

5, _ mama daviTSi 8 milioni! qvaSveTSi

xom orjel-samjel iyo

sadilze, did sazogadoebiT, iqac

didi fuli gaiflanga; agreTve

veris wm. nikolozis eklesiaSi

ToTibaZe-cicqiSvilis „purmariliT”

moirwyo iqauroba! mxolod

anCisxatSi ar uwiravs jer

ambrosis, ise ki xSirad Semodis sa-

Ramos locvaze, aqedan orjelsamjel

Caize gavipatiJe saxlSi

martoT-marto!..

yovelive aseTi vakxanalia xdeba

am SimSilobis da naklulevanebaTa

dros! xalxi SimSiliT igudeba,

saqarTvelos soflebSiac

didi naklulevanebaa purisa, Sim-

Silobaa, exla uswro axalma mosavalma,

gaiWra ukve qerebi da

puric male iqneba!.. aseT dros

Cveni mwyemsmTavari, mis winaSe

alesil komunistebis Tvalwin,

orgiebSi monawileobs, mraval-Jamiers

gahkivian davidovebi da Zmani

maTni, iflangeba morwmuneTa mier

saflavis fasad Tu sanTlis fasad

gaRebuli fulebi! ar vici, es

sigiJea, Tavxedoba da Tu ra aRar

vici! jer ver moicales CvenTvis

komunistebma, momenti xels ar

uwyobs maT Cvenc dagverivnen, magram

Tu fexi moimagres, Tu maTi

saerTaSoriso mdgomareoba ganmtkicda,

Tu gaagis konferenciac ise

Caatares, rogorc genuisa, maSin

maT ician „xucebis” qurqis gleja!

komunistebma rom sakaT. sab-

Wos finansebis xarjvas kbili

gauSinjon, erTi safuZvliani revizia

gaukeTon, darwmunebuli

var,bevri vinmeebi daixvriteba

kidec da saqveynod Tavs mogvWrian

_ aba, SexedeT ras sCadian Tqveni

sulieri mamebi, ambrosis xelmZRvanelobiTo!

TavisTavad cxada,

rom aseTi rameebi ar Seesabameba

im saxels da didebas, romelic ambrosim

moixveWa Tvis „mowodebiT”

genuis konferenciaze! aseT nabijs

srulebiT ar Seesabameba arc mesame

saeklesio krebis mier samRvdeloebis

jildoebis aRdgena, rac

moxda ambrosis TavmjdomareobiT.

gelaTis krebis aqauri delegatebi

_ dek. k. cincaZe, ToTibaZe,

maWaraSvili, mirianaSvili da sxvani,

ro dabrundnen krebidan,

TiTqos uaryofiT ekideboden am

„jildoebs”, isini krebis

Seugnebel nawils sdebden amis

brals, dek. qr. cicqiSvilma da an.

ToTibaZem moxsenebac ki waikiTxes

jildoebis winaaRmdeg, magram

ara gagvivida rao, krebis didma

umravlesobam moiTxova jildoebis

aRdgenao, magram Cvenve mogvandves

amis Sesaxeb instruqciis

gamomuSaveba, amas ki Cven imden

xans vaTrevT, rom manam meoTxe

krebac gviswrobs, romelic isev

gaauqmebs jildoebsao, _ ase br-

Zanebda TviT dek. k. cincaZe, sakaT.

sabWos da TviT saeklesio krebis

mesveuri; cicqiSvil-ToTibaZis galaSqreba

jildoebis winaaRmdeg

saeklesio krebaze iyo TvalT-maqcoba,

ro icodeT yvelam, Cven

winaaRmdegi viyaviT, magram ara

gagvivida rao! aseTive „winaaRmdegni”

yofilan cincaZe-mirianaSvilic,

magram krebas mainc Tavisi

gautania!..

mec davijere, rom sakaT. sabWo

jildoebis saqmes msvlelobas ar

miscemda da viyavi damSvidebuli!

vambob „damSvidebuli”, imitom,

rom dRes „jildoebi” da Cinebi

yvelgan da yovelive sferoSi

uaryofilia, ruseTis eklesiaSic

da yvelgan! am saSinel revoliucionur

zonaSi im jildoebis aRdgena,

romelsac arc ki icnobs

saqarTvelos eklesiis praqtika,

da romelic sinodalurma ruse-

Tis eklesiam mogvaxvia Tavze da

gagvaTaxsira jildoebis saSvalebiT,

exla am jildoebis aRdgena,

Cemis azriT, iqneboda ufro

metad dacema Cveni prestiJisa sazogadoebis

TvalSi, xolo komunistebs

miscemda met sababs, rom

Cven movenaTleT monarqistul

reJimis agentebad, reaqcionerebad

da vin icis, kidev rad!..

amitom metad avReldi, rode-

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`moqalaqe-mRvdlis dRiuri~

sac SemTxveviT gavige, rom Turme

sakaT. sabWos, jer kidev, saaRdgomod

hqonebia damzadebuli instruqcia

samRvdeloebis dajildovebis

Sesaxeb; wardginebanic

mosvlia maT eparqiebidan; ar

hqonebiaT wardginebani mxolod q.

Tbilisidan, albad Cven gvimalavden

da imitom sabolood Semogvinaxes.

sakaT. sabWos sxdomebi xdeba

daxSul karebSi, kaTolikozis

binaze, mowyvetili yovelive ama

qveyniur niadagidan, arc ra ambavi

gamodis gareT!

30 maiss, Cemma simamrma, dek.

zaqaria lukaSvilma, momitana ambavi,

rom mTavarxucesi dim. xaxutaSvili

Semxvda dRes da mkiTxa:

„ra iyo Seni siZis ukanaskneli

jildoo, unda warvadgino morig

jildozeo”! me danamdvilebiT ar

vicodi Seni ukanaskneli jildo,

magram uTxari, ukanasknelad mkerdis

jvari miiRoo; exla maS enqeri

ergeba, enqerze warvadgeno!..

am Taobaze didi sayveduri

miveci dek. z. lukaSvils, rom is

ase msubuqad Sehgebebia am samwuxaro

movlenas, gavikvirve TviT

mTavarxucesis saqcielic da imav

dRes, saRamoTi mivmarTe mTavarxucess

Semdegi oficialur moxsenebiT:

„dRes, 30 ama maiss, dek. zaqaria

lukaSvilma gadmomca, rom Cemi

wardgineba gangizraxavT jildoze

_ enqerze. am Taobaze msurs mogaxsenoT

Semdegi: Cemda gansacvifreblad,

mesame saeklesio krebas,

marTalia, aRudgenia samRvdeloebis

dajildoeba, magram jildoebis

gamomuSaveba ukisrnia sakaT.

sabWos da vimedovnebdi, rom sakaT.

sabWo ar aCqardeboda aseT ara

mniSvnelovan saqmis amJamad cxovrebaSi

gasatareblad; kerZo

saubrebSi sakaT. sabWos zogierTi

wevrni, im krebis delegatni,

TiTqos uaryofiT da ironiiTac

ki epyroboden am sagans, hfiqrobden

kidec miss daviwyebisaTvis

micemas da aseT umniSvnelo, dromoWmul

da ukve sakmarisad cxovrebisagan

uar-yofil movlenis

aRdgena-damuSavebaze aRar dahkargavdnen

dros da am jildoebisa

gamo arc samRvdeloebis cotad

Tu bevrad Segnebul nawils

Cagvagdebden uxerxul mdgomareobaSi

sazogadoebriv azris winaSe.

Cemis azriT, umjobesi iqneboda

sakaT. sabWos Tvisi mocaleoba,

gamocdileba da codna moexmarebia

eklesiis marTva-gamgeobis apparatis

amoZravebisaTvis, finansiur

mxaris mizan-Sewonilad gamomuSavebisaTvis,

am finansebis pasuxisgebel

kontrolis qveSe daxarjvisaTvis,

raTa Seqmniliyo

erTnairi momqmedi mwyobri sistema

axalaRdgenil eklesiis nivTierad

mowyoba-gajansaRebis da

zneobrivad ganaxlebisaTvis. am

mxriv arc centrSi, arc eparqieb-

Si sasikeTo ara sCans ra; rogorc

samRvdeloebaSi, ise mRvdelTa da

mrevlTa Soris arsebobs da

Rrmavdeba saSineli anarqia, TviTneboba

da uzneoba. me ar mesmis

aseT pirobebSi samRvdeloebis

dajildoebaze laparakic ki! es

sircxvilia! es metad dascems isedac

Seryeul Cvens prestiJs sazogadoebis

TvalSi da, sanam jer

kidev gvian ar aris, gviSuamdgomleT

kaTolikoz-patriarqis winaSe

_ SeCerdes jildoebs gamocxadeba.

ar vici, ver warmomidgenia, vin-

Ra dagvrCa dRes saqarTvelos eklesiaSi

daujildoebeli?! 1917

wlis 15 enkenisTvidan Rvdlebi

sul gavdekanozdiT, CamogverTva

„bedeniki” da mogveca „enqeri”,

rogorc am xarisxis „insignia”;

mRvdlebi ki, vinc ki darCa dekanozobis

gareSe, yvelani kamilavkebiT

da „yviTel liTonis mkerdis

jvrebiT” arian morTul-mokazmulni!

me mgonia, yovelive es amxanad

kmara, mamao dekanozo!

Cemda Tavad dabejiTebiT moviTxov,

rom ar viqmne Setanil dajildoebulTa

siaSi. aw gansvenebul

kaTolikoz kirionis dros

mqonda SemTxvevebi uarmeyo mowodebuli

enqeric da mitrac.

sakaT. sabWos 1919 wlis ianvris 30

#54 ganCinebiT, rogorc dekanozs,

maqvs ukve ufleba enqeris tarebisa

(Tumca am uflebiT arc misargeblia

da arc visargebleb),

xolo exla _ 1922 wels, imav enqerze

jildoT wardgena, sxva ro

ara vsTqvaT ra, gaugebroba iqneboda!

imedi maqvs es Cemi samarTliani

moTxovna iqneba Sewynarebuli,

erTxel da samudamod

ganmaTavisuflebT yovelive jildosagan.

me am cota xanSi sakmarisad

viqmen dajildoebuli.

gTxovT, am Cems moxsenebas misceT

saTanado msvleloba.

dek. nikita TalaqvaZe 1922 w.

maisis 30-s #19".

es moxseneba samSabaT saRamoTi

gaugzavne mTavarxucess. xolo

xuTSabaTs diliT, 1 ivniss _ mamadaviToba

dRes, sakaT. sabWos kanceliariis

gamges da wevrs _ dek.

kalistrate cincaZes mivswere Semdegi

werili: „mamao dekanozo kalistrate!

gavige, rom sakaT. sabWoSi ukve

„dagimuSavebiaT” samRvdeloebis

dajildoebis Sesaxebi debulebani

da am dReebSi kidevac unda gaataroT

cxovrebaSi es debulebani!

me ar vici da arc maqvs saSvaleba

vicode sakaT. sabWos awindeli

muSaoba; sakaT. sabWo iseT daxSul

dawesebulebad gadaiqca, rom

qalaqis samRvdeloebamdisac ki ar

axwevs misi ganzraxvani da miswrafebani;

sazogadoebriv azrisaTvis

xom srulebiT miuwdomeli

da mowyvetilia eklesiur cxovrebis

mimdinareoba; sakaT. sabWo

TiTqos araviTar angariSs ar uwevs

awindel sazogadoebriv vi-

Tarebas, is ise moqmedebs, TiTqos

sul sxva planetaze hqondes saqme!

Caketil karebSi azrovnebs, mowyvetili

yovelive realur niadags.

me da Sen verasodes ver

vazrovnebdiT SeTanxmebulad, amitom,

darwmunebuli var, arc zemoaRniSnul

Cems azrs sakaT. sab-

Woze gaiziareb, miT ufro, rom

awindeli sakaT. sabWo (winandelebic)

_ Sen xar da Senve mogmarTav

am baraTiT da gTxov: SeaCereT

„nagradebis” gamoqveyneba! ra

uyoT, rom saeklesio krebam aRadgina

„nagradebi”, xolo Tqven

mogandoT amis damuSaveba! mesame

krebis mier Sesworebul debulebaSi

„kontrolic” ki giweriaT,

magram aramcTu es kontroli ar

SehqmeniT, piriqiT, gaauqmeT kidec

is kontrolic ki, romelic Sar-

San zafxulSi Seqmna saeparqio

krebam, saeparqio sanTlis qarxnisaTvis,

xolo me, rogorc kontrolioris

Tanamdebobaze saeparqio

krebis mier arCeul da Semdeg

sakaT. sabWos mier gauqmebul pirs,

dRemdec ar mimiRia cnoba Tu ra

sabuTiT da uflebiT gamomagdeT

arCeul Tanamdebobidan! sameurneo

gamgeobis direqtorma sityvierad

gamomicxada es da Semdeg

„likvidacias” mikeTebda ukanasknel

Tvis jamagiris micemiT,

romelic me uarvyavi! es imitom

movitane aq, raTa ara brZanoT,

rom sakaT. sabWo TiTqos krebebis

dadgenilebebs asrulebdes da

jildoebis Sesaxebac agre

moiqeciT! me kargad maxsovs Tu ra

ironiiT da TiTqos uaryofiT ixseniebdiT

mesame krebiT aqauri

delegatebi am dadgenilebas. isic

maxsovs, rom piradad Sen sTqvi: am

jildoebis saqmes meoTxe krebamde

mivitanT da is mas gaauqmebso!

mec davijere es maSin! magram exla

mesmis, rom dagimuSavebiaT kidec

es debuleba da wardginebanic

mogsvliaT... imereTis eparqiidan

xuT... mitraze! erT amdens, mets

Tu ara guria-samegreloc moiTxovs,

cxumisac, dedaqalaqis dekanozebic

moindomeben moWedil

TavebiT moqalaqobas! an vin

daudgebaT win?!. magram, ratom ar

hfiqrobT _ ra gavakeTeT dasajildoebeli?!

gana darCa kidev

CvenSi vinme daujildoebeli?! amboben,

1919 wlidan „insigniad” aRiarebuli

kamilavka- yviTel-liTonis

jvari _ enqeri unda CamoarTvaT

samRvdeloebas da isev jildoebad

unda daurigono?! nu Tu

es SesaZlebelia?! nu Tu es mar-

Talia?! da Tu es asea, nu Tu es

saqmea?! es xom udidesi dacinva da

damcireba iqneba Cveni samRvdeloebisa?!

amas mteric ki ver hkadrebda

mas da ras sCadixarT moyvareni?!

_ samRvdeloebis erTi

mexuTedi nawilic ki sanTels ar

hyidulobs eparqialur qarxnebSi,

saSineli anarqia da usaqcielobaa

dRes CvenSi gamefebuli da aseT

dros vinmes dajildoebaze laparaki

gana SeiZleba?! isedac eklesiis

mowinaaRmdegeni kbilebs da

kalams ilesaven Cvenze da sakaT.

sabWo axal sabuTs, CvenTvis yelis

gamomWrel iaraRs aZlevT maT xelSi

am dro-moWmul, cxovrebisagan

ukve sakmarisad gaTaxsirebul

jildoebis mofeniT?! aba,

dafiqrdiT, mamao! aqac is ar mogivides,

rac „ax. sityvis” Sesaxeb

brZaneT ama wlis 16 Tebervlis

saolqo krebaze TbilisSi?! Turme

Sen „ax. sityvis” cenzoric yofilxar

maSin, am organos Tanam-

Sromelic iyavi da, rodesac

msjavrze midga saqme, Sen viRaceebs

amoefare zurgs ukan da ganacxade:

„me „ax. sityva” meore nomridanve

ar momwonda, bevri ram

wavSale Sigo”! Tu ara da moigone

Semdegi: rodesac aw gansvenebulma

Tbilelma leonidem „ax. sityvis”

xelmZRvaneli mRvdlebi

ilia SublaZe da qr. cicqiSvili

(exlandeli „mangleli”!) dekanozobis

xarisxiT daajildova, am

publicistebma imav organoSi ganacxades:

marTalia Cven winaaRmdegni

varT jildoebisa, magram amxanad

vRebulobT maso... ise ar mogivides

Senc!..

Cems movaleobad miviCnie, es

baraTi mogwero da gagafrTxilo,

_ sanam jer kidev gvian ar aris,

SeaCereT da mospeT „jildoebis”

SemoReba. amas gwer megobrulad,

bolos raime sayveduri ar iyos...

imedi maqvs, sawyenad ar miiReb am

baraTs da, Tu gaikvirvo eseviTari

kadniereba Cemi, scan isic, rom

metad damaRona da gamakvirva,

rodesac gavige, rom Cems warsadgenad

mTavar-xucesi cnobebs

agrovebda _ Tu ra iyo ukanaskneli

Cemi jildo... me am cota xanSi

bevrnairad „davjildovdi”, gmadlobT”!

dek. nikita TalaqvaZe 1922 w. 1

ivnissa.

es baraTi gavatane Cem Svils

germans, romlis naTliaa dek. k.

cincaZe; es ukanaskneli taZarSi

dauxvda, eklesias alagebdao. im

dRes mama-daviToba iyo, kaTolikozi

mwirveli brZandeboda

mama-daviTSi; avedi wirvis mosasmenad

mec, Tanamwirvelni iyvnen _

dekanozebi _ tyemalaZe, cincaZe,

mirianaSvili, mTavarxucesi d. xaxutaSvili,

TviT n. maWaraSvili,

kandelaki m. fxalaZe. galobda ka-

Tolikozis gundi papiaSvilis

lotbarobiT _ rusul kiloze,

kaTolikozic rusul-qarTulad

swiravda, gundic rusulad hgalobda,

qadagebac kaTolikozma

qarTulis Semdeg rusuladac br-

Zana, arc qarTuli exerxeba da arc

rusuli am dalocvils, ras

wvalobs an xalxs raze awvalebs.

qarTveloba sayvedurobda: „isev

paki-paki SemoiReso”, aba, vin hyavT

aq rusebi, samiode dedaberi amosula,

amaT qarTulic eyurebaT,

aba, romel rusul eklesiaSi

uqarTuleben TbilisSio”?!. rodesac

kaTolikozi hqadagebda, misi

Tanamwirvelni isxdnen sakurTxevelSi

da xma-maRla baasobden, gansakuTrebiT

ismoda boxi xma „virgla-manglel-qristeforesi”,

amanac rusulad sTqva did-gamosvlis

mosaxsenebeli!!!

Turme cincaZes ukve mouswria

sakaT. sabWos wevrTaTvis Cemi

baraTis Cveneba da „mangleli”

eoxunjeboda, „sakaTolikozo sabWo

Sen xaro”!.. me ar Sevsulvar

sakurTxevelSi. Semdeg nadimi iqmna

gamarTuli... mimiwvia maWaraSvilma

mec, magram ar veaxeli; wamovel

saxlSi!

2 ivnisi _ paraskevi

am dRes SuadRis 12 saaTze videq

Cemi taZris win, gamoiara dek.

ioel gamrekelma; SeCerda da daviwyeT

baasi, ara icoda ra jildoebis

Sesaxeb; cota xnis Semdeg gamoiara

sakaT. sabWos wevrma dek. i.

mirianaSvilma, _ sxdomidan modioda,

dRes unda ganexilaT q. Tbilisis

dasajildoebel samRvdeloTa

sia da kviras _ 4 ivniss _ suliwmidis

mofenis dRes _ es jildoebi

unda gamoefinaT mTels

saqarTveloSi!.. magram Cems gamosvlas,

etyoba gauWria, rogorc

dek. mirianaSvilma gviTxra, dajildoebaze

warmodgenani dausabuTebelni

aRmoCnden da SevaCereTo!

Tavisuflad amovisunTqe,

am dros dek. z. lukaSvilic SemogvierTda

da gaimarTa baasi am

jildoebze da eklesiebis xarjze

nadimebzedac... etyoboda, rom Cemi

werilebi wakiTxuli iyo sakaT.

sabWoSi... amxanad angariSi gauwies

Cems protests da SeaCeres, magram

eseni Tavisas mainc ar daiSlian,

dekanoz cincaZes, ToTibaZes da

mirianaSvils mitrebiRa akliaT

exla! tyemalaZes Tu sinodidan

aqvs mitra, eseni TviT daixuraven!

Semdeg Tu kargi dari daudgaT

Senaxul-dakecil wiTel-yviTel

lent-bantian ordenebsac gaikeTeben!

tyemalaZes da ToTibaZes mesame

xarisxis vladimeris ordeni

hqondaT miRebuli, gaaznaurden.

revolucias ro ar eswro tyemalaZes

varskvlavi unda mieRo! es

yvela ordenebi cincaZe-ToTibaZemirianov-

tyemalaZeebs daketil-

Senaxulebi aqvT! saeklesio krebas

gana eseni gaugonebden, gana krebis

survils mageni gaatarebden ro

TviTon ar yofiliyvnen msurvelni?!

ra TvalmaqcobiT, ra TaRliTobiT

isruleben TavianT qvena

ganzraxvebs!

(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)

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inglisis ragbis kavSiris aRmasrulebelma

direqtorma bil svinim

erT-erT interviuSi eqvsi eris

gaTamaSebasa da noembris testebze

isaubra. misi TqmiT, gamoricxuli

araa, samxreT naxevarsferos gundebma

noemberSi oTxi eris gaTamaSeba

gamarTon, rac imas niSnavs, rom

noembris testebze maTTan mat-

Cebis gamarTva SeuZlebeli iqneba.

amitom CrdiloeTelebi usaqmod

da, rac mTavaria, ufulod

rom ar darCnen, axali turniris

sami varianti ganixileba. erT-ersaqarTvelo

da eqvsi eri

saqarTvelo da eqvsi eri

Ti maTgani aseTia: eqvsi eris gundebs

ori mowveuli qveynis nakrebi

daemateba, romelic oTxgunda

or jgufs Seqmnis. jgufebSi pirvel

adgilebze gasulebi turniris

Cempionis titulisTvis finalSi

Sexvdebian.

rogorc svini ambobs, miwveuli

gundebi, savaraudod, iaponia da

samxreT afrika iqnebian, Tumca

gaugebaria, rogor iTamaSebs am

turnirze samxreT afrika, Tu,

imavdroulad, samxreT naxevarsferoSi

oTxi eris gaTamaSebac gaimarTeba?

amasTan dakavSirebiT erTerTi

soliduri italiuri

sportuli vebgverdi wers:

„mowveul gundebs Soris, uwinaresad,

SesaZloa iyos yvelasTvis

cnobili saqarTvelo, romelic

didi xania, eqvsi eris karze akakunebs.

SesaZloa, es hipoTeza naklebad

momxiblavia, magram savsebiT

realuria. es kargic iqneba,

radgan gaabaTilebs miTqma-moTqmas

imis Taobaze, rom TiTqos

saqarTvelom eqvs erSi italia

unda Secvalos”.

saukunis saukeTesoebi

38

espanurma Marca-m XXI saukunis

saukeTeso sportsmenebi daasaxela.

saukeTesod curvaSi 23-gzis

olimpiuri Cempioni maikl felpsi

dasaxelda. meore adgilze msoflios

mravalgzis Cempioni, olimpiuri

TamaSebis gamarjvebuli, usein

bolti gavida. sameulSi Sevida

„didi muzaradis” turnirebis 20-

gzis momgebi rojer federeri.

aTeuli ase gamoiyureba:

1. maikl felpsi (curva)

2. usein bolti (mZleosnoba)

3. rojer federeri (CogburTi)

4. rafael nadali (CogburTi)

5. kobi brainti (kalaTburTi)

6. taiger vudsi (golfi)

7. leo mesi (fexburTi)

8. luis hemiltoni (formula 1)

9. valentino rosi (motosporti)

10. kriStianu ronaldu (fexburTi)

mesis morigi rekordi

espaneTis ganaxlebuli Cempionatis 28-e turSi „barselonam” „maliorkas”

4:0 mougo. leo mesis angariSze goli da ori sagole pasia.

leosgan amgvarebi gasakviri namdvilad araa, magram argentine-

li sakuTar miRwevebs aumjobesebs, risi gatarebac ar SeiZleba.

maS, ase: mesi Seiqna pirveli fexburTeli espanuri primeras is-

toriaSi, romelmac zedized 12 sezonis ganmavlobaSi 20 da meti

goli gaitana. sadReisod leos am sezonSi 20 goli da 14 Sedegiani

gadacema mougrovda. mesis legendaruli seria 2008-2009 wlebis

sezonSi daiwyo, roca 23 goli gaitana. misTvis sarekordo 2011-

2012 wlebis sezoni aRmoCnda, roca erTbaSad 50-jer daamwuxra me-

toqeTa mekareebi.

am statistikur kategoriaSi meore adgilze kriStianu ronaldu

gaxlavT. portugalielma „realis” saxeliT 20 da meti goli

zedized 9 sezonze gaitana.

yvelaze Zviri virjili

inglisuri „liverpulis” mcvelma virjil van deikma uari Tqva

franguli psJ-is SeTavazebaze. arada, parizelebs imedi hqondaT,

rom fexburTels ukve am zafxuls gadaibirebdnen.

„liverpulis” madlierma bosebma ki niderlandels erTguleba

daufases da gaumjobesebuli pirobebiT kontraqtze xelmowera

SesTavazes. aqamde virjili kviraSi 200 aTas evros iRebda, am-

ieridan ki xelfasi 245 aTas evromde gaezrdeba. amiT van deiki

gundis yvelaze maRalanazRaurebadi fexburTeli gaxdeba. aqamde

gundSi yvelaze mets mo salahi iRebda _ kviraSi 200 aTass.

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nakoronevs

kamp nou, barselona

kamp nou, barselona

TiTqos sidiade akldes... 2022 wlisTvis evropis

yvelaze didi stadioni kidev ufro gaizrdeba. modernizaciaSi,

daaxloebiT, 600 milioni evro daixarjeba.

gadaixureba da tevadoba 105 aTasamde gaizrdeba.

aseve Sendeba axali, iohan kruifis saxelobis 6

aTasiani stadioni, romelzec „barsa” B iTamaSebs.

kidev imave kompleqsSi, 12-aTasiani darbazi „barsas”

kalaTburTis, xelburTis, futzalis, frenburTisa

da Saibiani hokeis gundebisTvis aSendeba.

milanisa ar iyos, virusis gavrcelebis mxriv

barselonaSic urTulesi viTarebaa.

stambolis

nacvlad lisaboni

CoVid 19-ma safexburTo biznesis ganviTarebas

Tavis mozrdili daRi ki daasva, magram, adre iqneba

Tu gvian, momakvdinebeli virusi Zalas dakargavs da

fexburTic iseve gaSmagebiT gagrZeldeba. mdidari

klubebi kidev ufro gamdidrdebian da calkeuli

fexburTelebis transferSic imdens gadaixdian,

zogierTi mcire qveynis biujets rom aRemateba.

navirusevs, cxadia, arc teqnologiur-infrastruqturuli

progresi SeCerdeba. Tavmomwone klubibi

ukve axal, superTanamedrove stadionebis

mSeneblobas an maT Zireul rekonstruqcias gaagr-

Zeleben...

milani

mokled: „milani” da „interi” legendaruli „san

siros” demontaJsa da mis adgilze axlis aSenebas

apireben, rac adgilobrivi qomagebis ukmayofilebas

iwvevs.

1925 wels aSenebuli SesaniSnavi nageboba ara mxolod

sportuli RonisZiebebis maspinZlobiTaa cnobili.

Tumca iq, Tavis droze, msoflio Cempionatis

cxra matCi Catarebula, 1990 wlis mondialis milanuri

gaxsna xom dRemde saukeTesod iTvleba istoriaSi.

aseve iq oTxi CempionTa Tasis (ligis) finaluri

matCi gamarTula.

garda amisa, sxvadasxva dros iq umReriaT bob

marlis, devid bouis, bob dilans, „roling sTounzs”

da madonas.

„iuventusis” stadionis ar iyos, milanis arenis

tevadoba, daaxloebiT, 20 aTasiT Semcirdeba (axla

80 018 mayurebels itevs), Tumca mniSvnelovnad daixveweba

vizuali, xedebi da infrastruqtura.

axali arena 2023 wlisTvis unda iyos mzad, Tumca

axla italiaSi, miT umetes, milanSi stadionisTvis

aravis cxela...

grand stad de kasablanka, maroko

marokos ori uZlieresi klubi, aseve marokos

erovnuli nakrebi axal gigantur stadions gaiyofen.

raja da uaidad kasablankebs afrikaSi saukeTeso

sarbieli eqnebaT, romelic 2025 wlisTvis 93 aTas

mayurebels daitevs.

giganturi stadionis proeqti, jer kidev, 2010

wlisTvis iyo Cafiqrebuli, roca marokom msoflio

Cempionatis maspinZlobaze Seitana ganacxadi, magram

maSin turniri samxreT afrikaSi Catarda. igive moxda

2026 wlis mondialis maspinZlobis SemTxvevaSic.

mogexsenebaT, fifam es ufleba aSS-s, meqsikasa da

kanadas erToblivad arguna.

Tumca marokoelebi ixtibars ar itexen da 2030-

Si msoflio Tasis espaneTTan da portugaliasTan

erTad Catarebas gegmaven. axali stadioni yvela

SemTxvevaSi dasWirdebaT.

santiago bernabeu, madridi

odindel mter „barselonas” rom ar CamorCes,

madridis „reali” Tavisi „santiago bernabeus” supermodernizacias

gegmavs. Tumca katalonielTagan gansxvavebiT,

kastilielebi adgilebis gazrdas ar gegmaven

_ tribunebi isev 81 044 mayurebelze iqneba

gaTvlili. daaxliebiT 600-milioniani proeqtis

Tanaxmad, mTavari cvlilebebi fasadis mxares Seexeba.

„bernabeu” sarkesaviT mbzinavi gaxdeba da mTlianad

avtomaturi gadaxurvis meqanizmiT aRiWurveba.

mindori 10 metriT amaRldeba da iseT mowyobilobas

daamontaJeben, qomagebs warmodgenis 360 gradusiT

xilvis saSualebas rom miscems... aseT danadgarebs

sferul videosac uwodeben, romelic erTdroulad

yvela kuTxis xilvis iluzias qmnis. aseve keTilmoewyoba

vip da kerZo loJebi... Tumc virusi madridSic

mZvinvarebs... „c” ra saTqmelia, madridSia Tua...

uefam CempionTa ligis darCenili matCebis Taobaze gadawyvetileba

17 ivniss unda gamoaqveynos, magram, rogorc Cans, gada-

wyvetileba ukve miRebulia. amis Taobaze evropuli media sul

ufro aqtiurad wers.

uefa evropis yvelaze prestiJuli turniris dasrulebas lisabonSi

gegmavda, Tumca Semdeg saqmeSi madridic CaerTo da maspin-

Zlobis survili gamoTqva. savaraudod, uefam espanelTa survili

ar gaiTvaliswina da mxolod lisabonze imsjela.

axla formati _ turniris mervedfinalis darCenili TamaSebi _

8 da 9 agvistos Catardeba, 12 agvistos ki portugaliis dedaqalaq

lisabonSi miniturniri daiwyeba. 8 saukeTeso gundi flei ofis

sistemiT iTamaSebs, anu meoTxedfinalsa da naxevarfinalSi

saukeTesoebs TiTo-TiTo matCi gaarkvevs. es turniri „rvaTa fi-

nalad” moinaTla.

Sexvedrebi „Joze alvaladesa” da „eStadiu da luJze” mayure-

blebis gareSe Catardeba.

SegaxsenebT, rom pandemiis gamo gamocxadebul iZulebiT Ses-

venebamde mervedfinalSi gasvla psJ-m, atletikom, laipcigma da

atalantam moaswres.

Casatarebelia mervedfinalis es sapasuxo matCebi:

„baierni”-„Celsi” (pirveli matCi 3:0);

„barselona”-„napoli” (1:1);

„iuventusi”-„lioni” (0:1);

„siti”-„reali” (2:1);

saboloo gadawyvetilebas uefa 17-18 ivniss miiRebs.

federeri

gaisamde wavida

msoflios yofili pirveli Cogani, rojer federeri, acxadebs,

rom 2021 wlamde kortze aRar dabrundeba. Sveicarieli 8 agvis-

tos 39 wlis gaxdeba. am asakSi CogburTeli kidev TamaSze rom

fiqrobs da ara

wasvlaze, es ukve gasakviria.

wleuls ki ori didi turniria darCenili amerikis Ria pirvel-

oba da „rolan garosi”. jerjerobiT, gaurkvevelia Semajamebeli

turniris bedi, romelic tradiciulad sezonis bolos imarTeba.

„Zvirfaso gulSematkivrebo, imedi maqvs yvela janmrTelad da

usafrTxod xarT. ramdenime kviris win aRdgeniTi procesis dros

garkveuli problemebi mqonda. marjvena muxlze damatebiT momix-

da arTroskopiuli procedurebis Catareba.

axla ise unda moviqce, rogorc 2017 wels gavakeTe vgegmav

drois gamoyenebas imisTvis, rom kortze 100%-iT mzad davbrunde.

marTalia, CogburTi da gulSematkivrebi damakldeba, magram mouT-

menlad veli 2021 wels.

keTili survilebiT, Tqveni rojeri”, dawera federerma social-

ur qselSi.

SegaxsenebT, rom ramdenime dRis win msoflios pirvelma Cogan-

ma, serbma novak jokoviCma, qaragmulad Tqva, rom amerikis Ria

pirvelobis gamotovebas apirebs.

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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

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Semdeg SeiZleba daRliloba da apaTia

dagewyoT. ubralod, daelodeT, sanam es periodi

gava – darCiT saxlSi, daisveneT,

mieciT saSualeba sakuTar Tavs, rom Zala

moikriboT.

kuro

bolos da bolos, kargi ganwyoba geqnebaT!

nu mogeridebaT gauziaroT Tqveni xalisi irgvliv

myofebs. sanam Zala da energia gaqvT,

moagvareT rTuli sakiTxebi. SesaZloa Tqvens

axloblebs dasWirdeT Tqveni daxmareba –

uars nu etyviT. am periodSi aucileblad

uari TqviT mZime sakvebze.

tyupi

swored axla mniSvnelovani gadawyvetilebis

miReba mogiwevT. arCevanis gakeTebisas

daxmarebas veravin SeZlebs, mxolod

sakuTari Tavis imedi gqondeT. garda amisa,

am dReebSi SegiZliaT dagegmoT mogzaurobebi

qalaqgareT da agarakze, raTa dro ojax-

Tan erTad gaataroT, an romantikuli saRamo

Seyvarebulan. Tqven imsaxurebT dasvenebas.

kirCxibi

axla, rogorc arasodes, yvela rutinuli

saqmis dasruleba aqtualuri gaxdeba.

moiSoreT usargeblo nivTebi, qaRaldebi, gaasufTaveT

Tqveni binac da gonebac. aucileblad

SeamCnevT, rom sunTqvac ki advili

gaxdeba! SeecadeT ar iCxuboT ojaxis

wevrebTan, gansakuTrebiT meuRlesTan.

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