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#15 27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009 gamodis or kviraSi erTxel, paraskeobiT

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2 proza

vici, gana ar vici, ratomac dami-

Txoves erTi radiodan da ratom ar

mimiRes meoreSi: genacvale, niWierebi

arsad sWirdebaT, Torem musikaluri

gadacemis wayvana Cemi prerogativaa

da Cemi stiqiaa. es me vTqvi pirvelma

Ria eTerSi: `Cven urTierTobisa da siamovnebisaTvis

dagvrCa sul raRac sami

saaTi da oci wuTi, vinaidan da radganac

sam saaTsa da oc wuTSi swored

unda dagemSvidoboT siamovnebiT da,

Tumca gareT wvims da saSineli amindia

Cvens erTaderT dedaqalaqSi, magram

ifiqreT mxolod da mxolod mSvenierebaze,

vinaidan da radganac cxovreba

mSvenieria da Cvens saeTero studiaSi

TqvenTvis da mxolod TqvenTvis

muSaobas ganagrZobs Tqveni erTguli

maniko”. mere aitaces gogo dijeebma

Cemgan, Tikom, Takom, makom, mimikom da

tatikom. xandaxan, Tqven warmoidgineT,

dawerac ar mWirdeboda, TavisiT

gamomdioda. erTxel, magaliTad, ase

vTqvi: `Tumca gareT wvims da qaria da

bevr Tqvengans iqneb eleqtroenergiac

ar mogewodebaT da ver mismenT, magram

merwmuneT, ifiqreT mxolod da

mxolod kargze, radgan cxovreba mSvenieria

da Tqvens bednierebas sazRvari

ara aqvs, vinaidan da radganac me

movediii!” boloSi ase vagrZelebdi –

`me movediii”. mere esec aitaces dijei

gogoebma, pirvelad me gavakeTe. Tan

naRdad arsad ar mewera. Cems ufross

albaT egona, rom mewera, ra vici. axla

filosofiurebi! aba, marto amindze

xom ar Caviciklebi! ver vitan amindze

Caciklvas. filosofiurebic me Semovitane

qarTul saeTero sivrceSi:

`...netav ra aris, saidan modis es Ramis

siCumis ufaqizesi dagvianeba da saiT

miiCqaris igi nazi sevdiT mosili da

idumalebiT dafiqrebuli? nuTu am

zangi biWebis daRlili gulebisaken?”

da aq gavuSvebdi xolme `Gloomy Boys”is

`Take My Iron Fist”! vagiJebdi xalxs!

es Cemi stilia, Cemi prerogativaa!

mere Cemi saavtoro gadacema `miqsboqsi”

pirvelad rom gavida eTerSi,

yvela gagiJda, amdeni qudebi da tixarebi

da efeqtebi ra ambaviao. yvelaze

meti efeqtebi me mqonda. saaTs xom yovel

sam wuTSi vacxadebdi. diqciebi ise-

Ti mqonda, inglisurisgan veravin

arCevda. kiTxvarebi zogierTi uniWo

dijeisaviT sxvisgan ki ar mqonda moparuli,

sul Cemi Sedgenili iyo. rom

SevekiTxebodi Cems stumars `vin

zrunavs Tqvens Cacmulobaze?”, anda

`kuriozs xom verafers gaixsenebdiT?”-

mec mburZglavda da imasac. es

Cemi prerogativaa, me amisTvis var dabadebuli,

es Cemi mowodebaa, magram,

ra ginda! TbilisSi yvelaferi CawyobiT

aris. sxva rom veRaraferi moimizeza

Cemma ufrosma, erT dRes furceli

damido win _ ai, Seni frazebio,

stilisturad gaumarTavebio, sul

erTi gadacemidano.

furcelze ewera:

1. ...igi 15 wlisaa da aqedan gamomdinare,

arasrulwlovania.

2. cxeli wylis gamacxelebeli.

3. ...igi fexmZimedaa da axlo prespeqtivaSi

momavali deda unda gaxdes.

4. axla ki reklama, xolo reklamis

Semdeg – skandali.

5. movlenaTa ganviTarebis eqskalacia.

6. mogexsenebaT qarTveli kacis Tandayolili

Tviseba - miwis yivili.

7. aplodismentebi daukres.

8. axla ki kvarteti Tqveni sayvareli

xuTi biWis SemadgenlobiT.

9. Tavi iqna Sekavebuli.

10. samwuxarod, am asakSi elvis

presli Caicikla.

hm! sad aris aq Secdomebi, gekiTxebiT.

TviTonac ver amboben, ratom

damiTxoves. me xom vici, ara? vis Wirdeba

simarTlis mTqmeli da niWieri

profesionalebi! Caicikla es elvis

presli da Cemi bralia?! magram, aba,

ris profesionali var, Tu guli gavitexe

da droebiTma warumateblobam

far-xmali damayrevina?

avdeqi da mivadeqi radio `axal variants”

da iq SevTavaze gadacemis gakeTeba.

axali radioa, amboben, maT ukan

marTla aravin dgaso da marTla niWis

mixedviT arCeven dijeebso. raRa miSlida

xels? mivedi...

samxatvro xelmZRvanelma miTxra,

egeTi gadacemis gakeTebas mainc vapirebT

da, raRa bevri gavagrZeloo da

nino gugeSaSvili

erTi Cawerili interviu momitane da

mere vilaparakoTo. ki batono-meTqi.

eg gamiWirdeba? wamovedi. wamosvlisas

momaZaxa:

_ ifiqreT saTaurzec. ar gvinda

`boqsebi”, `miqsebi”, `fanebi” da `klubebi”.

nu dagaviwydebaT, rom qarTuli

sityvebic arseboben, magaliTad, `qalamnebi”,

an `wisqvili”, an rame. daRe-

Wili varskvlavebi ar gvinda. rame axali!

cota mdogviani! gesmiT?..

mainc ratom aris yvela samxatvro

xelmZRvaneli cotaTi dartymuli?

sad veZebo axla me mdogviani varskvlavebi?

mokled, ra bedi maqvs, normaluri

ki aravin Semxvdeba!

...nikuSas mivadeqi, iqneb rame axali

mirCios-meTqi. sul sxva koncertebze

dadis da Cems gadacemas saerTod ar

usmens, magram musika ki Zalian kompetenturad

esmis.

_ magis dardi gaqvs? – asec vicodi,

rames momixerxebda nikuSa, Temebsac

sul eg miwerda skolaSi, _ wavediT

axlave vaCesTan, mdogvianic aris

da vafSe geniosia. daixsome, eg aris

erTaderTi namdvili varskvlavi. ro

ganaxa darbazs ra dReSi agdebs, vafSe

aRar mousmen mag pidarastebs...

mTeli gza ar gaCumebula. quCa-quCa

daveZebdiT vaCes. nikuSa ki am dros

iseTi aRfrTovanebiT miyveboda

vaCeze, rom sunTqva gauWirda:

_ jer marto simRerebis saTaurebi

naxe: `Sevdivar sulis afTiaqSi, ve-

Zeb tkivilgamayuCeblebs~, erTi aqvs

`isunTqe vakuumi,” kide `fexebiT akrefili

sifrTxile,” `grili krematoriumi.”

`gril krematoriums” roca asrulebs,

xalxi kivils iwyebs. siyvarulze

vafSe ar mReris. Tu imRerebs da

foTlebs da zRvas kiar umReris, sxvanairi

gasaRebebi aqvs ra, sxvanairad

aRebs boqsebs. siyvarulze, magaliTad,

ici rogor mReris? `saRamos cxra ar

aris kenti saaTi, dilis cxra aris kenti.”

jobda jer mogesmina rame, mara

vafSe ara aq Canawerebi, to! fuli ara

aq da TbilisSi xo visac fuli aq, poetic

is aris, musikosic, mxatvaric da

kai biWic. Cveni kultura xo fulia!

bevri veraferi gavige, magram erTi

suli mqonda, rodis vnaxavdi vaCes.

gavZveriT-gamovZveriT, gavikiTx-gamovikiTxeT

da bolos erT saxinkleSi

migvaswavles.

qva avagde da Tavi SevuSvire:

_ saxinkleSi ra minda! ki, mdogvians

veZeb, magram varskvlavebs da ara

sasiskebs.

_ mere, ukeTesi raRa ginda! mdogviani

varskvlavi saxinkleSi Camogigdo

RmerTma! es Seni bedia, damijere.

Seni horoskopia.

horoskopebis ise mjera, Sevyevi.

Tan im dRis horoskopSi mewera: `iyaviT

riskiani da Tamamad SeaReT axali

kari. Tqven profesiul sarbielze warmateba

geliT”... ai, amis mere rogor

aRar mjerodes horoskopebis! ras warmovidgendi,

Tu me odesme saxinklis

kars SevaRebdi! odesme kiara da, pirdapir

im dRes ar SevaRe?!...

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literaturuli gazeTi 27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

Tavi da fexebi

or biWTan erTad ijda vaCe magidasTan.

kaTxebiT luds svamdnen. nikuSa

axloblurad moikiTxes, me Tavebi

damiqnies. erTma mkiTxa:

_ luds xom ar dalevT?

_ ara, gmadlobT.

wavida da nikuSasTvis ludi moitana,

CemTvis – `fanta” da Sokoladis

fila. es da vaCe cota nasvamebi iyvnen.

mesame biWi, jondi, Zalian mTvrali.

_ es arafers ar cvlis, _ wamCur-

Cula nikuSam, _ mTlianad fxizeli

vaCe bunebaSi ar arsebobs.

mere vaCes miubrunda:

_ es Cemi deidaSvilia, maniko, Sengan

interviu unda.

vaCe damakvirda:

_ darwmunebuli xarT?

_ diax!

_ nikuSa, kargad gaarkvie, ra. erTxel

Cemma deidaSvilma aiRo Cemgan interviu

da samsaxuridan daiTxoves.

ise gamwarda Turme imisi redaqtori,

mTeli dRe fexebiT ketavda ujrebs.

_ aseTi ra TqviT? – vkiTxe yoveli

SemTxvevisTvis.

_ araferi, rac mkiTxes, is vTqvi.

_ ara, vaCe, es `axali variantidan”

aris. xo ici, sxva donea.

_ maSin damayareT SekiTxvebi, _

Tqva vaCem.

_ iciT, me movedi, rom dro da adgili

davTqvaT Sexvedris...

_ ki batono. TxuTmet wamSi erTmaneTs

vxvdebiT ai, aq da viwyebT. erTi,

ori, TxuTmeti _ daiwyeT!

_ ver gavige!

_ CaTvaleT, rom davTqviT dro da

adgili da is daTqmuli dro da adgilia

aq, axla.

nikuSam miTxra:

_ me Sens adgilze ukve CavrTavdi

Camwers, vaCesTan mTeli situacia unda

Caiwero. Tu marTla rame axali undaT

im Sens `variantSi”, ai, es aris.

ki batono! iyos aq da axla. kiTxvebi

ara maqvs mzad, Tu ra! amoviRe Cemi

bloknoti, diqtofoni. xom ar Caviciklebi!

me profesionali gaxlavarT

da cxel xazze muSaoba Cemi stiqiaa!

vaCe dakvirvebiT aTvalierebs Cems

nivTebs da bolos ambobs:

_ biWebo, daweqiT! Cemgan intervius

mgoni marTla iReben!

Zalian mTvralma jondim Tavi aswia

da mkiTxa:

_ va, Jurnalisti xarT? Tqven, xom

ar iciT, orjonikiZis yofil ZeglTan

rom miwa amoTxares da iq rom wyali

Cadga da didi gube gakeTda, visi saxelobisaa?

_ raebs bodav, biWo, e! – gaaCuma

meorem.

me diqtofoni CavrTe, qeTi lamunaSvilisTvis

dasasmeli SekiTxvebis

sia movZebne bloknotSi, bloknots ise

Cavkari Tvali, rom arc aravis SeumCnevia

(erTi Tvalis mokvriTac, ukve

garegnobiT vcnob Cems SekiTxvebs.

aseT wamyvans rom gauSveb radiodan!),

pirveli SekiTxva advilad vicani, mere

cota xans sivrces gavxede da fiqriani

pauzebiT Cumad daviwye (im dRes

lurji tuSi mesva):

_ vaCe, Tqven popularuli xarT

yvela asakis msmenelTa Soris da ras

fiqrobT, ram ganapiroba Tqveni aseTi

popularoba?

cota ucnauri biWebi iyvnen. ratom-

Rac gaocebiT gadaxedes erTmaneTs.

vaCem aqeT mkiTxa:

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom CemTan

moxvediT?

jondim Tavi aswia, kaTxa aiRo da

yaraCoRluri toniT da Tavis qneviT

warmosTqva ase sxvaTa Soris:

_ modiT biWebo, am kaTxa ludiT

iseT keTil tyuils gaumarjos, romelica

roma daTvur samsaxurebs auyveba

da Cauyveba da...

_ biWo, Cumad iyavi-meTqi, xo giTxari,

ara? – isev gaaCera meorem.

_ apatieT, dabadebiTaa viri! – amixsna

vaCem da ganagrZo, _ iciT ra, Cemo

daiko, me ar mimaCnia, rom popularuli

var da Tu gindaT gonebas davZabav

da Camovayalibeb, es ram ganapiroba.

_ me araferi ar ganmipirobebia,

axla egec me dambraldeba, – Tqva jondim

da Tavi ise Zalian Caqindra, megona

_ CaeZina. meore biWma uxmod Sexeda.

me Cum-Cumad vaTvaliereb vaCes.

Zalian gamxdaria, raRacnairi saintereso

saTvalierebelia. wablisferi

Tmebi aqvs da acvia muqi Sindisferi

maisuri, mxarze originaluri, raRac

ucxo yvaviliseburi, Tu nekerCxlis

foTliseburi WriliT.

_ ho, ras vambobdi? – gaixsena vaCem.

– me ar mimaCnia, magram damaviwyda, ra

ar mimaCnia. raRac ar mimaCnia...

_ vaCe, vxedav Zalian originalurad

gacviaT. vin zrunavs Tqvens Cacmulobaze?

– vkiTxe ase improvizebulad.

_ ah, esa? – xeli daido swored im

nekerCxlis foTlisebur Wrilze, –

Cems Cacmulobaze zrunavs Cemi Tagvi,

cqvitina. es maika wuxel gadamikeTa.

davdeb RamiT tansacmels, diliT gadakeTebuli

mxvdeba.

_ vanaSi unda Cado da veRar gadagikeTebs,

me ficxelas egre vasrialeb,

_ jondi me ukve Rrma ZilSi megona.

_ jondi, cqvitinas magas rogor

vakadreb! Sen cudad icnob cqvitinas,

_ vaCe me momibrunda, nawyeni saxe

hqonda, _ mTeli Rame muSaobs, Zalas

da energias ar iSurebs, iciT, uniWieresi

dizaineria da faqtiurad, uangarod

mexmareba.

_ vin gexmareba, biWo, uangarod! im

dRes naxevari puri waiRo, mSivrebi dagvtova.

Roria, dizaineri kiara!

Cven gavicineT.

_ esec iumori! _ Tqva vaCem, _

raRa dagvrCa? skandali, intriga da

kuriozi.

_ ufro seriozulad? – ar moveSvi

me.

_ ufro seriozulad, meoTxe klas-

Si miyida babuaCemma pirveli palto.

babuas gazrdili var. Cqara rom ar

dampataraveboda, imxela palto miyida,

metra oTxmocda ori var da

dResac kargada maqvs. ase rom, Cems

Cacmulobaze babuaCemi da cqvitina

erTad zrunaven. babua saiqiodan,

cqvitina – sardafidan.

_ auu, geniosi xar! _ wamoiyvira

jondim, _ ici ra davarqvaT, vaCe, alboms?

`babuaCemis butiki~! ra Tavi

vimtvrieT... `babuaCemis butiki caSi~,

ha, ras ityvi, vaCaCo?...

vaCem daxvewa:

_ `babuaCemis butikebis qseli saiqioSi~.

plagiati ar gamogvivides,

`lusi caSi”_s avtorebi ar mogvedavon.

_ neta egeni rameze momedavon,

davjdebi, TiTs aRar gavatokeb. geniosi

xar! anda, ,,babuaCemis butikebis

qseli saiqios mraval qveyanaSi’’. ara,

gogona-korespondento, icode, Tu

marTla rame gainteresebs: am biWs

dReSi samjer ecema vaSlebi TavSi, Wamis

win da Wamis Semdeg...

aq im mesame biWmac xma amoiRo da

Tqva:

_ jondi, gvacale ra!

_ Sen ra gacalo? ras akeTeb, ro?

siCumes akeTeb, Zmao, da akeTe, xabarda!...

_ ra sunamos aniWebT upiratesobas,

vaCe?


27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

is mesame biWi raRacnairad uxerxulad

iRimeba, xolo jondi, TavCaqindruli,

xmamaRla frutunebs. vaCe icinis:

_ me vxmarob sunamos `dionises Rimili”.

uZvelesi firmaa da misi klientebi

Cems garda arian Zalian cnobili

varskvlavebi.

_ magaliTad?

_ ra vici, TviTon dioniseTi dawyebuli,

visockiT, eseniniT da oTar

ramiSviliT damTavrebuli.

_ xoo? unda gamovtyde, rom pirvelad

mesmis.

jondim xelebi gaSala da amixsna:

_ nu, axla, Tavmdabali firmaa,

soliduri da reklamaze ar qajobs.

mersedesis reklama sadme ginaxavs?

_ara, saxelwodeba TiTqos mecnoba,

magram sunamos Tu erqva...

_ gogo, raebs ekiTxebi! _ idayvi

wamkra nikuSam.

`aha, gasagebia!” gavifiqre me da is

furceli movZebne, sadac daTo jergeniZisTvis

misacemi SekiTxvebi mewera.

_ vaCe, ras fiqrobT qarTul Soubiznesze?

_ arafers.

_ da mainc?

_ es `damainc” ra balistikuria,

ara? egreve mklavs. kargi, Tu Zalian

gindaT, rames vifiqreb.

_ da ras ifiqrebT?

_ axlave vifiqro?

_ Tu ar SewuxdebiT, axlave, ra!

_ vifiqreb, rom es aris produqt-

Tagan yvelaze ufro kontrabanduli,

yvelaze falsificirebuli, yvelaze

vadagasuli, yvelaze ganubaJebeli da

yvelaze momwamvleli produqti dRes

Cvens bazarze. misgan garemos gasuf-

Tavebaze droa seriozulad imuSaon

specialistebma da, ra qvia, Sesabamisma

uwyebebma. misi ganadgureba ukve

elementaruli xerxebiT aRar SeiZleba.

Tu ubralod davwvavT _ kvamli

mogvwamlavs, Tu nagavsayarze gadavyriT

– Rorebi SeWamen da mere imaTi

xorci xalxs mowamlavs. ara marto

Cven. Taobebs! mis gasanadgureblad

specialuri krematoriumebia saWiro.

_ barklebiviT ari, ra, da ZexvebiviT,

gldanis sanagveze ro dawves, _

ganmimarta jondim.

_ da Tqvens musikaze raRas ityviT?

_ CixSi Semyavs vaCe.

_ Cemi musika erT-erTi aseTi krematoriumia,

_ momigo raRacnairad

mkacrad.

_ Zalian kargi! _ ar davibeni me.

_ ra Zalian kargi?! darwmunebuli

xarT, rom Zalian kargi? _ CamkiTxa

vaCem. es ukve mesamed mekiTxeba `darwmunebuli

xarT”?

_ vaCe, _ mivuge amayad da kategoriulad,

_ Cems horoskopSi iciT ra

weria? `Tevzebma yovelTvis zustad

ician ra undaT da mizansac advilad

aRweven”!

_ raRa meTqmis! _ aRiara vaCem.

jondim warbebi aswia da Zalian

wminda sasoebiT warmosTqva:

_ netar iyvnen Tevzni, sasworni,

Txis rqani da xboni da yovelni mCxibavni

maT Tana, rameTu horoskopirebul

da gamCxibul iqnen caTa Sina! _

ara, namdvilad ganaTlebuli da RvTis

morwmune biWebi Candnen, magram axla

me riT gamakvirvebdnen.

xom giTxariT, uceb vuReb alRos

eqstremalur situacias. vgrZnob, rom

Cemi respodenti iumoriTda mdogviT

saubrobs, magram mec rom tols ar

vudeb! yuri ugdeT Cems SekiTxvebs _

ra ukompromiso var, ra mousyidavi:

_ am bolo dros qarTveli varskvlavebi

Civian, rom scenaze goimebi da

araprofesionalebi momravldnen.

Tqvenc ase fiqrobT, vaCe?

_ ki, vfiqrob, magram me roca ase

vfiqrob, TviTon imaT vgulisxmob da

neta, isini viRas gulisxmoben?

_ Sen! _ miaxara jondim.

_ albaT, me.

_ ras ityviT Tanamedrove simRerebis

teqstebTan dakavSirebiT, ramdenad

Sinaarsiania isini? _ neta sadamde

gauZlebs Cemi ukompromisobis simwvaves.

_ iciT, me ase warmomidgenia: dgas

viRac sadRac, udgas win lototroni

da iq uyria qaRaldis patar-patara

naWrebi warwerebiT: `menatrebi,” `maCuqe

es Rame,” `zRvis piras gelodebi,”

`damibrundi,” `lamaz sizmrebSi gefer-

ebi” `sevdas veRar verevi~ da ase Semdeg.

miva masTan varskvlavi, gadaixdis

fuls da is dautrialebs lototrons,

amouRebs am sityvebs, ayris

haerSi da iatakze dacvivdeba teqsti.

mere meore varskvlavi miva, gadaixdis,

is melototrone isev daatrialebs da

axla sxva TanmimdevrobiT dayris igive

sityvebs. egec meore simReris teqsti!

atraqcionia erTgvari. sxvanairad

im teqstebs ver dawer, geniosic

rom iyo.

_ vaCe, Tqveni teqstebi mag lototronSi

ar yria? _ es SekiTxva arc

mewera, ise movida spontanurad. es

Cemi SekiTxvaa, magram vin damijerebs?

amasac unamusod momparaven. mainc

iqve Caviwere, rom ar damviwyeboda:

Cemi Semoqmedebidan arafris dakargva

ar miyvars, mere vnanob xolme. daTo

jergeniZisTvis momzadebul kiTxveb-

Si SekiTxva 4-s `ras ityviT Tanamedrove

simRerebis teqstebTan dakav-

SirebiT, ramdenad Sinaarsiania isini?”

qveS mivawere: 5 - `Tqveni teqstebi mag

lototronSi ar yria?”

_ ara, ar yria. aq didi Seusabamobaa

da ai ratom: me rom iq Cavyaro

Cemi sityvebi, davuSvaT, `gaCumdi, nu

momdev – dabrundi. TavSi maqvs ormoci

WaburRili, Sengan gaburRili,” da es

sityvebi sxvas Sexvdes, raSi gamoiyenebs

is sxva im WaburRilebs, romlebic

me marTla maqvs TavSi? an amaSi

fuls vin gadaixdis? me kide zRvis piras

aravis ar velodebi. ase rom, lototronTan

Cems urTierTobas azri

ara aqvs, kidec rom mindodes.

bevri veraferi gavige, magram

raRac mdogvianad ki laparakobda,

albaT es unda Cems momaval Sefsac.

jondi gaocda:

_ TviTon daidgan saxlSi egeTi

lototronebi mag qliavebma, raSi yrian

fuls!

_ vaCe, fonogramebis akrZalvis

Taobaze ras ityviT? _ vamwvaveb da

vamwvaveb.

_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, Cemo daiko,

sisulele fonogramiT Sesruldeba,

Tu ufonogramod. ubralod, afiSa

geubneba: `sisuleleebis koncerti”.

ginda wadi, ginda nu waxval.

_ axla erTi piraduli xasiaTis

SekiTxva. Tqveni ojaxuri mdgomareoba

rogoria?

_ amJamad uojaxo.

_ ratom, `amJamad”?

_ ratom? _ vaCe dafiqrda, namwvi

saferfles daasrisa da raRacnairad,

Zalian gulaxdilad amixsna, _ erTiorjer

me Sevecade qali damerwmunebina:

`me erTi cariel-tarieli gitariani

biWi var da ar vici, momavalSi ra

iqneba. raSi gWirdeba ojaxi CemTan?”

qali marwmunebs: `me Sen ai aseTi cariel-tarieli

miyvarxar!” mere aRmoCndeba,

rom `cariel-tarielidan” uyvars

marto tarieli.

_ Tanamedrove SemsrulebelTagan

vin arian Tqveni idealebi?

jondim wamoisrola:

_ euh, Camoiyvanes baqodan CeCeni

avtoritetebi!

vaCem ki Tqva:

_ nuRa svam, jondi, geyofa, _ mere

me mommarTa, _ me visac davasaxelebdi,

maTi saxelebi jer arafers ar getyviT.

yoveli SemTxvevisaTvis, Tu gindaT,

es ori saxe daimaxsovreT.

jondim Tavi aswia da Tvalebi dami-

Wyita:

_ damimaxsovre!

meorem dabla daixeda.

_ sanam intervius davamTavrebdeT,

minda erTi rame gkiTxoT: Cvens

radioSi axal musikalur gadacemas

vakeTebT. Tqven rom iyoT wamyvani, ras

daarqmevdiT am gadacemas?

_ `babuaCemis butiki”, _ arc

dafiqrebula jondi.

vaCem Zalian cota xans ifiqra. mere

uecrad gamococxlda:

_ Cems gadacemas davarqmevdi

`Tavi da fexebi.”

_ ratom?!

_ imitom, rom arsebobs musika

Tavis da musika fexebis. Cvens msmenels

axla gonia, rom marto fexebis musika

arsebobs. me orive musikas vaCvenebdi

da Sanss mivcemdi, airCios romelic

unda. darwmunebuli var, sworad

airCevs. axla ubralod arCevani ara

aqvs.

_ Tqven piradad romeli musika

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

girCevniaT, albaT Tavis, ara?

vaCe isev dafiqrda, mere uecrad

gamxiarulda, skami odnav ukan daswia

da, kargad ar mesmis sityva ,,eqstazi”

detalebSi ras gulisxmobs, magram

raRac msgavsSi ki Cavarda.

_ Tqven warmoidgineT, ara. me srulyofili

musika minda. Tavi Zalian ar

unda gagisrisos. me vTvli, rom erTi

musika Tavidan unda Semovides da meore

– fexebidan da sadRac WipTan

unda Sexvdnen erTmaneTs. WipSi unda

iduRos. me Wipis musika mirCevnia...

_ Tu mzis wnulis? _ Seuswora

jondim.

_ va, mzis wnulis musika! jondi, es

Sena xar?! _ mklavSi Caavlo vaCem jondis

da SeanjRria, _ es kaci arc iseTi

mozveria, rogorc gamoibRvireba.

xandaxan, Wamis Semdeg amasac ecema

wvril-wvrili vaSlebi.

_ marTals ambobs. naxe, gogonakore,

me rogor viazrovne: `mzis wnuli’’!

sufTad, nazad. axla naxe, aman

rogor iazrovna: `Wiipi”. jgufis liderad

mainc es iTvleba, me mozvers meZaxian.

gekiTxebi, gogona-kore, vin ufro

didi mozveria, vinc mzis wnulebiT

azrovnebs, Tu vinc WipebiT azrovnebs?

_ da mainc?.. Tqveni rCeuli musikis

Sesaxeb... _ vubrundebi vaCes da Tumca

misi sityvebi da poziciebi, agreTve

saxinkleSi jdomis momentis araadeqvaturoba

CemTvis sruliad miuRebelia,

magram vgrZnob, rom raRacnairad

mec azartSi Sevdivar da ukve mainteresebs

ras mipasuxebs vaCe. afsus! ra

dros mimTavrdeba SekiTxvebi! vaCe ki

mpasuxobs:

_ is musika, romelic fexebidan

Semodis, TavSi unda agivardes, xolo

is musika, romelic Tavidan Semodis,

fexebSi unda Cagivardes.

_ ra kargi rame moifiqra! _ aRfr-

Tovanda jondi, _ bodavs, magram kargad.

_ me seriozulad gekiTxebiT...

_ magram Tavi ar unda gaxdes fexebze

ufro mZime da fexebi ar unda iyos

Tavze ufro swrafi...

vaCem raRacnairad aiwyvita, gabrwyinda,

TiTqos Cven veRarc gvamCnevda,

sakuTar improvizaciebs daedevna.

_ Tu musika marjvena fexidan Semovida,

maSin marcxenaze rezinis kalo-

Si unda gecvas, rom TavSi da gulSi ar

gaiaros da gamtari ar gaxde, Tuara

mogklavs. Tu gamtari xar, mogklavs.

ai CemSi rom Semovida jon lenonis

musika, ar mecva rezinis kaloSi da

momkla. sicocxle da ukvdaveba sxvadasxva

ramea. unda gaarCio, romeli

ginda da romeli SegiZlia da imis

mixedviT Caicva an gaixado kaloSebi.

lenoni, morisoni, bob marli, visocki,

hendriqsi, kobeini umaRlesi xarisxis

gamtarebi iyvnen da... mokla! vinc

fexebis musikas qmnis, is, marTalia,

ukvdavi ver aris, magram samagierod

cocxlobs. cocxlobs da mTel cxovrebas

kaloSebSi atarebs. arseboben

umaRlesi gamtarebi, kargi gamtarebi,

saSualo da cudi gamtarebi. arseboben

gaumtarebi. sruliad, yrud gaumtarebi.

yvela gamtari sxvadasxvanairad

gamtaria da yvela gaumtari, erTnairad

gaumtaria. ara marto musikaSia ase!

jondi aRtacebiT Seacqerda vaCes

da aseTi varianti SesTavaza:

_ vaCe, e, vaCe, mament kacs ro kalo-

Si ar ecvas da rezinis prezervativi

ecvas, ver gaqaCavs?

_ gaaTrie es viri ra, Temo, gaaTrie

gareT! _ gafiTrda vaCe.

_ wamo, wamo, biWo, raebs bodav! _

adga Temo da idayvSi Caafrinda jondis.

_ rato, kaco, raxan prezervativi

miwas ver wvdeba da damiwebas abanZebs?

zogis ki wvdeba, dedas geficebi, im

dRes `disqaverize” aCvenes...

_ ra aCvenes, biWo, `disqaverize”!

gaaTrieT, wyalSi CaayudeT, an rame

qeniT! _ iyvira vaCem.

_ Sen TviTon gamaTrie. Temo ra,

Seni Siswiorkaa?!

_ me ara mcalia: interviuebi, gadaRebebi...

_ Tumca visi prezervativic miwas

wvdeba, is isedac ukvdavia! imas ra

moklavs! _ daaskvna jondim.

_ biWo, mogxvdeba cxvirSi, qalTan

raebs laparakob, Se degenerato! _

gawiTlda Temo.

_ au, qalii?! _ Seicxada jondim

proza 3

da safeTqlebze xelebi moiWira, _

bodiSi, daiko, gamifrenia da eg aris,

mec ara vTqvi, rato unda gamaTrion,

ZmobaSi xuar CaviWeri... sul damaviwyda

gogona-kore, au! morCa, gamiSvi, gamiSvi,

me TviTon gaveTrevi da Caveyudebi

sadme wyalSi, axia Cemze...

jondi gasasvlelisken wavida Tavis

gmobis buzRuniT. roca karebSi gadioda,

viRac ucxo Semomsvleli gaaCera

da uTxra: `morCa! wylis harakiri!”...

_ me mapatieT, _ miTxra vaCem da

sigarets moukida.

_ kargi biWia da Zalian kargi basistia,

magram simTvraleSi cota urevs,

_ Tavi imarTla Temom.

_ cota kiara, kargad urevs. mokled,

kargi basistia da kargadac urevs,

_ daaskvna vaCem.

_ arauSavs... da bolos, vaCe, Segi-

ZliaT gaixsenoT raime kuriozi?

_ raRa gaxseneba unda! age, jondi,

anda age qarTuli kaloSebiani Soubiznesi.

_ sul es aris?

_ ara, egeTi kuriozebi bevria.

_ ras erCiT qarTul Sou-bizness?

_ arafers, rogor SeiZleba kuriozs

verCode!

am dros jondi dabrunda, ludis

kaTxa aswia da Tqva:

_ modiT, biWebo, am kaTxa ludiT

iciT ras gaumarjos? weliwadSi erTxel

rom dagirekaven telefonze da

isic sxvagan moxvdebian...

* * *

roca `axali variantis” samxatvro

xelmZRvaneli am Canawers usmenda, xan

iRimeboda, xan ibRvireboda. bolos

mobRveril-gaRimebuli da dafiqrebuli

darCa...

mokled, is gadacema ar gamakeTebina,

es Cveni stili ar ariso. roca

vkiTxe: `ra moxda, araferi mogcaT am

intervium?” _ mipasuxa: `piriqiT, Zalian

bevri momca. gansakuTrebiT, jondis

bolo sadRegrZelom.” xom vambob,

yvela samxatvro xelmZRvaneli cota

dartymulia. mere daamata: `magram Sen

iseTi saqme gamikeTe, aucileblad ra-

RaciT unda gadagixado.”

marTlac, sul cota xanSi Tavis megobarTan,

radio ,,final pliusSi”

damawyebina muSaoba. met-naklebad patiosani

kaci yofila da Cems niWierebas

veRarsad wauvida.

ki, sanTel-sakmeveli Tavis gzas ar

dakargavs da ar davrCi umuSevari. axla

`final pliusSi” vakeTeb Cems `miqsboqss”,

magram mTlad didi patiosnebac

ver aris! aba, Tavad gansajeT: oriod

TveSi radio `axali variantis” eTerSi

gamoCnda gadacema `Tavi da fexebi”

da misi wamyvani, vaCe, unda vaRiaro,

ukve Cemze popularulia. warmoidgineT!..

uaressac getyviT: is mTvrali

jondic eTerSi zis da rasac unda

abraxunebs da isic ki mouTxovia, Temoc

Tu ar dasviT eTerSi, me ver vimuSavebo,

me magis siCume mWirdebao da

permanentuli SeZaxilio `raebs bodav,

biWo, e”. es gazeTSi wavikiTxe, maTi

samxatvro xelmZRvanelis interviuSi.

ekiTxebodnen, is mesame wamyvani ras

akeTebs, samni arian da oris xma ismiso.

is kidev amiT iwonebda Tavs, jondis

Temos siCumeze mosdis muza da sxva

martivi siCume ubralod Caagdebda

gadacemaso. yuri ugdeT Temos si-

Cumes, rogori savsea da fundamenturi,

biWebi mis wiaRSi feierverkebiviT

feTqdebiano. TavSi qva uxliaT. Tu

undaT, aTni dasxdnen eTerSi da aqedan

rva gaCumdnen. rvajer meti muza mouva

jondis. yvelas Tavisi stili aqvs.

me piradad aravis siCume ar mWirdeba,

yvelafers marto vakeTeb. erT rames

vaRiareb _ namdvilad ar arian Caciklulebi.

magram, me?.. sad gaqra Cemi

Rvawli?.. sxvaTa Soris, wels `vivas”

dajildoebis ceremonialma magrad

momfxana guli: ori saaTi iqafebian

eTerSi vaCe da jondi da yvelaze originalur

wamyvanad ki Temo daasaxeles!

metis Rirsebi arian. ar SeiZleboda

Cemi damsaxureba rom oriod sityviT

mainc aReniSnaT?! roca jondis hkiTxes,

Tu rogor daibada am gadacemis

idea, upasuxa: `erTxel saxinkleSi

erTi gogona-kore movida da aSkarad

ver qaCavda...”. eg iyo da eg. saavtoro

uflebebzec ki ar SemiTanxmdnen. mewyina...


4 poezia

baianTxevi

suramis zemoT, SemaRlebulze, Cveni bina naqiravebi, _

erTi oTaxi da im oTaxSi tanayrili fiWvebis suni

da saxlis dabal aivanze mibjenili grZeli xeebi

tyispiri... maSin im xeebis ZirSi vcxovrobdiT,

aivanze Cais vsvamdiT farTo CeroSi, tyis gamoRma

umeteswilad saRamoobiT, roca TandaTan

Ramdeboda

da maRali fiWvebis Srials uerTdeboda mistikuri

SiSi Crdilebis da veluri tyis wiaRidan

xoWoebi zigzagebiT gzas ikafavdnen naTurebisken...

naSuadRevs SrialTan erTad Cems yurTasmenas

swvdeboda xmebi bavSvebis da maTi mSoblebis

tyis wiaRSive erTmaneTs rom uwvdidnen xelebs,

naSuadRevs Cvenc tyisaken veSurebodiT, me da

bavSvebi vfendiT sagebels da ubralod karts

vTamaSobdiT

da es iyo TiTqos sizmari, siSoridan gamoRweul

fiWvebis Srials (sul sxvanairad Srialeben

cadawvdili

fiWvis xeebi), mohqonda Cemi Soreuli bavSvobis eqo

da xis odnavi Wrialis xmac Cems bavSvobas

magonebda gauTaveblad...

Zirs eyara xmeli wiwvebi, mousvenari WianWvelebi

aqac iseve, rogorc gafrenil im Soreul Cems

bavSvobaSi, zantad da nela irjebodnen

umcires miwis nafSvenebSi, radgan es iyo

saaqao da araferi amqveyniuri ar iyo ucxo

saaqaosTvis...

xolo mere ki naSuadRevs suramis zemoT,

mTis ferdobze, baianTxevSi, qveynis fusfuss

da mSfoTvarebas ganridebul im erTicicqna

miwis naglejze Cven mivdiodiT Sinisaken,

me viZinebdi, xolo mere gaRviZebuli

im patara niJaraSi, qveynierebis miuval

Tu miusafar kuTxe-kunWulSi, im oTaxSi

me vfiqrobdi saaqaoze da SevigrZnobdi

mTeli arsebiT, rom TviTonac iq viyavi,

iq, im oTaxSi, romelsac ise exeboda JamTasvlis

sunTqva, rogorc danarCen qveynierebas...

arada, iq xom araferi ar tokavda da arc

iZvroda: oTaxis bindi, fexsacmlis Crdili

iatakze gaqvavebuli, skami da skamze tansacmeli

Cemi bavSvebis, isic uZravi, dRis sinaTle

areklili sawolebis gamcvdar nikelze,

Ramis pepela fanjris RriWoze CaZiruli

mTvlemarebaSi da garedan SemoRweuli umweo xmebi:

Txebis kikini, JRurtuli Citis, Soridan

ZaRlis wamoyefeba, moagarake qalebis tuqsva _

esec yoveli saaqaosi, amqveyniuri,

da Cemi fiqri ara mxolod amqveyniurze,

aramed ukve gardasulze, im ubralo

adamianze, romelmac awrTo Tavis TavSi

da Caamkvriva cxovreba Tavis umciresi

nawiburebiT _ ylortiT, yvaviliT, gamTeniis

da saRamos xmebiT, tkbiliT da mwariT,

SxamiT da Sxamis gamqarvebliT, gamniavebliT,

da aTasi sxva raimeTi, adamianze, romelmac ise

gaiara es cxovreba, viT derefani daburuli

da mere ucbad gauCinarda.

suramis zemoT, SemaRlebulze, baianTxevSi

Cveni bina naqiravebi...

ra sxvanairad Srialebdnen uSvelebeli fiWvebi

tyeSi, ifiqrebdi, zRva Relavso da zRvisRelva

aRwevso TiTqos da oTaxi, is patara, myudro

nirvana, uZrav nivTebiT da CrdilebiT,

Semdgari bindiT, qveynierebis viwro kunWuli,

miuvali, miukvleveli, romelsac ise exeboda

JamTasvlis sunTqva, rogorc danarCen

qveynierebas...

mamas

me Semogyvebi drois wiaRSi,

romlidanac Sen ukve gaxvedi,

erTad viqnebiT Ramis winaSe

da ar gveqneba iq sxva naRveli.

drois siRrmeSi. saSinelia

es drois siRrme, es kunapeti.

matareblis xma. muqi Crdilebi.

Sen wamoxvedi da mec wavedi.

me Semogyvebi drois siRrmeSi,

romelSic gvian isev dabrundi.

drois siRrme ra saSinelia,

ra Semzaravi, ra udaburi.

vici, iq dganan bneli saxlebi,

juja xeebi da ximinjebi,

mtkvaria, xidi, bazris daxlebi

da xidqveS wyali nela irjeba.

nuTu es iyo mTeli cxovreba,

SevxvdiT Tu ara, iqve davSordiT...

am TamaSs erqva albaT cxovreba,

romelsac didxans ar TamaSoben.

modi, SevideT drois siRrmeSi

da gadaveyrdnoT qvis moajirebs,

Sen erTxel kidev amoixvneSeb,

xidi ki mtkvarze gaSlis aCrdilebs...

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

andro buaCiZe

iqneb gimtyune. ar mimtyunia,

mainc nurafers nu damabraleb...

mtkvari mihyveba wyvdiads tyuilad

da mtkvris talRebi hgvanan saflavebs.

* * *

Sen ras CurCuleb, diRmis balaxo,

da qari Senze uqmad nadebi

wamouberavs, rom gadalaxos

damZimebuli eg laJvardebi.

savsea Seni yofna CqamebiT,

beds acdenili yornis yrantaliT,

Cven xom beds miRma erTad gavebiT

da diRmis SigniT gvismens kvartali.

yvavi yrantalebs, me ki xizani

kidev Sevymui mWidro kvartalebs,

diRmis balaxo, bednasxvisaro,

dilis niavze ratom kankaleb.

Sen ras racraceb, ciskris varskvlavo,

ratom xar ase ganukiTxavi,

balaxisagan riT gangasxvavo,

iribad ratom mzverav, miTxari.

me xom TqvenTan var, ra damayuCebs,

Tqven CagexlarTeT, Tqveni RviZli var,

cxovrebas ise CavebRauWe,

rom aqamdisac ver momicila.

Sexeba

me kidev kargi im SexebiT siRrmiseuliT

Sen ar Segexe.

sibneleSi Seni sxeuli

ar iwva Cemi sxeulis gverdiT.

qari xmaurobs. gameRviZa. SuaRamea.

Sen ukve qali aRara xar.

Sen xar sxeuli,

romelic aRar Semxvedria didixania.

da vfiqrob axla, ra kargia,

rom im SexebiT,

Sen ar Segexe

da ar gavxdi maSin mkrexeli.

sityvebis gareSe

es rogor xdeba am sastik da uxeS yofaSi

raRac saTuTi ZafebiT rom varT gadabmulni,

cotac kidev da iqneb gawydes faqizi Zafi,

is rogor aris, rom meZavi quSad giyurebs,

radgan ucxo xar da siucxoves ecema fardis

Txeli naTeli. radgan ucxo xar meZavisTvis

da meZavic SenTvis ucxoa, da sxeulebi

eZeben TviTon gamosavals am saidanRac

gamoRweul siucxoveSi. Tundac erTi moZraoba

an erTi sityva, da SeiZleba es siucxove

waiSalos. magram, vai rom, sityva grCeba

TavSesafarSi da sxeulebi eZeben TviTon

gamosavals, eZeben da pouloben, rogorc

mouwevT, ukve instinqts mindobilni,

instinqts da vnebas. xanmoklea vnebis

sadgomi, magram mkacria, daundobeli

da amave dros bevri ramis Semxsenebeli,

zogjer sindisis qenjnis amSleli...

da roca saqme gasruldeba,

elodeba calke kaci da calke qali

maT sxeulebSi vnebis dawmendas.

27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

da rogori saxe aqvT am dros _

Serigebuli beds da odnav gakvirvebuli,

ironiuli, amave dros garindebuli...

TiTqos TviTon sul ar garjilan

da maT SigniT bunebis xma alaparakda

da bunebamve aRasrula iq yvelaferi.

zRurblze

TiTqos sivrces eWidebodi,

magram sivrcem ver dagimagra

da im sivrcesTan erTad

sadRac gauCinardi.

TiTqos sivrces eWidebodi

da ara nivTebs anda sagnebs,

raRac mTavars eWidebodi

da im mTavarma Seginaxa da gagitana,

magram bolos mainc moirRva

da SenTan erTad gauCinarda.

da gamoCnda, rom cxovreba

erTnairad eqceva yvelas,

mis ver damnaxvels da damnaxvelsac,

misi sazrisis maZiebelsac

orive xels kravs

da Tavidan icilebs xolme veragulad.

ra umweod darCnen wignebi,

Taroebze daudevrad Semosrolilni,

TiTqos arasdros ar Sexebodi,

ise darCnen da iseTi Crdili daecaT.

arada, Sen xom

gandobili iyavi maTTan.

Sen xom maTTan

iyavi marTlac ziarebuli,

Sen xom maT giTxres raRac iseTi,

rac sxvebisTvis TiTqos arc uTqvamT.

maS Sen TviTonRa

imaT yofnas

ase gulgrilad rad Seelie?

iqneb imitom, rom am wignebs

azri hqondaT cxovrebis SigniT,

cxovrebis gareT ki azrs kargavdnen.

Sen ki sadRac zRurblze ideqi,

arc am cxovrebas ekuTvnodi

da aRarc imas.

rogorc xe dgas saRamo xans

sakuTar CrdilSi.,

da arc dilas ekuTvnis

da arc daRamebas,

arc saRamos da arc ukun Rames,

magram mainc dgas da Srialebs.

mainc exeba mas erTnairad

qaris qrolva da sios daberva,

mwuxris sxivebi da Ramis Talxi.

Senc ase sadRac zRurblze ideqi

da hgavdi ufro moCvenebas

aramqveyniurs.

adrindeliviT iRviZebdi da iZinebdi,

adrindeliviT iwerdi pirjvars,

adrindeliviT ujeqi sufras,

TiTqos rituals asrulebdi iZulebiTad,

moTminebiT ReWavdi lukmas,

magram mainc aq ar iyavi;

TviTonve grZnobdi -

sxva sibrtyeSi gadainacvle.

da gikvirda am zRurblze dgoma,

gikvirda da gabnevda kidec,

sxvebi xom am zRurbls verc ki amCnevdnen

aqyofnasa da aryofnas Soris,

iZulebas da arafers Soris,

sinanulsa da arafers Soris

Tuki, vTqvaT, vardi idga larnakSi

mrgval magidaze mosawoneblad,

ra azri hqonda ukve SenTvis

am vards, am larnaks,

an fanjaraSi moSriale gadaxril xeebs

an Semodgomas daudevars

da ganaTebuls,

aivanze ukanasknel foTlebs rom yrida

da inaxavda zamTrisaTvis,

TiTqos damTavrda ukve raRac,

yvelaferi ubralod moxda,

ara didi aurzauriT,

ara didi mignebebis aJiotaJiT

anda didi gulacruebiT.

sul ubralod, Cveulebrivad

cxovrebas ucbad

niRabiviT gaZvra azri

arsebobisa.

sagnebi isev TavTavianT

adgilas darCnen.


27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

sololaki

`da sololakSi grovdeba bindi~.

T.k.

o, sololakSi grovdeba bindi,

qvafenilebze CamoSvebuli,

da farnis Suqze cxovreba midis

da mtovebs ase bindiT Seburvils.

me stumari var Tu var xizani,

ar vici. bindi ukve mogrovda,

es aris albaT ufro sizmari,

sololaki ki iyo golgoTa.

o, sololakSi grovdeba bindi,

sadac skveri da kviparosia,

cxovreba viwro quCebiT midis,

Tvali Sevavle bindiT mosilma.

ra naRvlianad grovdeba bindi

da fanjrebs miRma anTebul WaRebs

uTqmelisadmi Zrwola da ridi

moaqvs da mwares mitovebs naRvels.

me stumari var Tu var xizani,

ar vici. bindi ukve mogrovda.

cxovreba iyo albaT sizmari,

sololaki ki aris golgoTa.

* * *

amqveynad ukve rac iyo, iyo,

amqveynad ukve Tu xarT, viRa xarT,

bedis varskvlavi qedze daxrili

ra namalevad gadaixafra.

ra namalevad gadaiqroles

avdris Rrublebma qalaqis SigniT,

Semodis Rame, rbili mwuxriT da

zed TrialeTze gaSlili wigniT.

rac iyo, iyo, ra gaewyoba,

quCa da Rame da sololaki,

videqi. bakmi tanze mexvia

da awyvetili, rogorc folaqi,

yvela sarkmelSi ikveTeboda

mTvare Taboris mTaze daxrili,

Cemi bavSvobis derefnebidan

axlac ki mesmis susti Zaxili.

amqveynad ukve rac iyo, iyo,

amqveynad ukve Tu xarT, viRa xarT,

Cems gaciebul TavsasTumalTan

rogor mimdrika Cemma iRbalma.

rac iyo, iyo, ra gaewyoba,

gadaviare erTi goraki,

da ukan damrCa me sizmariviT

quCa da skveri, da sololaki...

agarakis carieli oTaxi

`Sen yvelas daiviwyeb

da Senc yvela dagiviwyebs~.

markus avreliusi

roca im saxlSi aRar iqnebi,

xevSi Cawveba uxmod siRame,

Crdilebi xelebs gadaiqneven,

dRe wava, rogorc sxivi Tixaze.

da aivseba RamiT oTaxi

saagarako, sadac aravin

aRar Sesula kargaxania

da siCume dgas, rogorc mparavi.

kargaxnis mere, rogorc mitkali,

frTxilad Cawveba xevSi Teneba,

aRar iqneba araviTari

arc mogoneba, arc gaxseneba;

oTaxi, sadac Seni kuTvnili

cxovreba nela Camoiwura -

carielia ukve yuTiviT

da drosTan erTad sadRac micuravs.

da im kedlebze Zveli laqebi

raRacis mTqmeli anda armTqmeli...

gaiZurweba sindiofala

da icimcimebs Werze naTeli.

da mxolod dila naTlis mcxebeli,

da is oTaxi - naTliT cxebuli,

da Sen - yvelafris damviwyebeli

da yvelasagan daviwyebuli.

baRebi

me mivdiodi `mSrali xidisken~,

gza gadavWeri mdumare baRiT,

da TiTqos yvelgan iyo baRebi,

mesizmrnen Cemi amxanagebi,

magram uecrad sul gaikrifnen

da imaT nacvlad damrCa naRveli.

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

didi qalaqis didi baRebi,

rodesac wvimis ismis dgafuni,

carieldeba xolme saxliviT,

unapiroa da udaburi...

zRvispira qalaqi

Cems Svilebs

rogor vuqcevdiT gverds quCebs da mere

gamvlelebs,

rogor viareT im zRvispira ucxo qalaqSi,

da Cvenda bedad es zafxuli ise gavlieT,

gamovaRwieT zRvispireTsac da Tan gadavrCiT.

ramdeni saxli da ramdeni TeTri rikuli,

ramdeni saxe, ramdeni xma da laparaki,

da mere bedad eklesia kaTolikuri,

da es qalaqi, gamriyavi, ucxo qalaqi.

es iyo raRac CaxlarTuli labirinTiviT,

da madloba RmerTs, ar agvebna mainc gzakvali,

evkaliptebi da haeris lurji TimTimi,

Camavali mze da talRebze sxivTa kankali.

daRamebulze rom davbrundiT myudro dabaSi -

gavxedeT qalaqs - erTi gemi enTo martoRa,

da is dRe iyo damqancveli, rogorc TamaSi,

romelic gRlis da ar gbezrdeba mainc ratomRac...

* * *

ra icis netav im Sor varskvlavma,

adamianTa ra aris vneba,

da soflis Tavze jer ar damdgara,

ciskidurze rom TandaTan dneba.

ra icis netav im Sor varskvlavma,

adamianTa ra aris yofna,

da yovelives gamomnaskvavma

vin moaSuqa TviTon is soflad.

is ar exeba adamianurs,

mxolod xandaxan cimcimebs odnav,

da ar irjeba, raTa miagnos

fanjrebSi uxmod anTebul codvas.

kaci brundeba SuaRamisas,

SeaRebs WiSkars, ismis Wriali,

gabezrebuli ZaRlis RnaviliT,

namTvralevia da eWviani.

iqve ki qvemoT gminavs qalaqi,

isic gabezrda Cumi zrialiT,

arc fusfusia, arc laparaki

da arc vinmea Tanaziari...

didi ToneTi

mTidan eSveba zlaznviT naxiri

da Tan mohyveba naxirs naRveli,

tborSi agdia cxenis aRviri,

tboria mwvane da anamRvrevi.

naxiri zantad Camodis soflad,

TavdaRmarTia. Robe. ZaRlebi.

naRvelisagan Znelia yofna,

wyaroze WurWliT dganan balRebi.

sibnele nela ereva laJvards,

ase wavida mTeli cxovreba,

qvebze veeba Crdilebi darCa

da modis Rame, rogorc cxoneba.

da ra kargia, rom soflis bolos

oblad cimcimebs erTi naTura,

ZaRli yefs, isic erTia mxolod

da sibneleSi gamoxlarTula.

da ra kargia, trialebs suni

mWknari foTlebis da sinotivis,

isev yefis xma. siCume sruli.

da yvelgan dardi sveli lodiviT.

me xom yovelTvis ase mtkiodi,

ase miyvardi, ase merCie,

da gasZaxoda tyes bukioti...

am siyvarulsac ver SeveCvie.

ver SeveCvie im Sor naTurebs,

romelTa Suqic RamiT fxizlobda,

Sors kojris Tavze sxivi faTurobs

da imis iqiT - maradisoba.

fanjridan

Sors TrialeTis bneli qedia,

zed gza sinaTlis bewviviT gadis,

iq manqanebi dian taatiT

da am nel svlaSi igrZnoba dardi.

da am nel svlaSi igrZnoba azri,

rom yvelaferi sadRac mTavrdeba

da asxletili farebis Suqi

ufskrulebs iqiT gadavardeba.

amxanagebis dasizmreba

ukve wasulebs, svewawymedilebs,

ara keTilad myofT da anagebT,

vesaubrebi, maTken vedine,

sufraze vuzi Cems amxanagebs.

maT saxeebze brke da obia,

obidan mWvreten maTi Tvalebi,

me maTi mzera SemomWdomia

ganelebuli nedli mTvareTi.

rad daviqeciT, ras vemsaxureT,

TiTqos gaismis Cumi yvedreba,

zogi sibneles Rvinos asxurebs,

zogi Caqindravs Tavs, rom SeTvreba.

me ra unda vqna, ra SemiZlia,

an ra SemeZlo TviTon maxvewars,

Tumc maTi dardi ki Semicvnia

da Tumc cxovreba miCans nafxrewad,

TviTon Cems TavSi ase veRire,

ase veTrie, ase vewame,

amaT ki, Rames rom gaexirnen,

amaT ra unda vuTxra Semwyralebs.

an dardi rogor unda Sevuwyo,

me sxvagana var anda sxvarigad,

an meramdened unda meuwyos, -

isini ukve dardmac gariya.

me vici, maTi Crdilic mendoba,

radgan vuyvarvar, radgan veZmobi,

ziari gvqonda Cven ubedoba,

axlaRa Tu var amis Semcnobi.

da Tu iyaviT sveubeduri,

Tu bedis nafleTs erTurTs afendiT,

ris maqnisia eg sayveduri,

mec xom mefina erTi nafleTi.

ra bedenaa dRe da TariRi,

da Tu sinaTle jerac menTxeva,

mec xom manda var gamosariyi,

xom unda iqnes esec erTxelac.

poezia

sanTeli isev ise parpalebs

da sanTlis sxivi TrTis gawydomamde,

maS, Tvals aqeT nu gamoaparebT,

nu gadmomxedavT kvlavac mwyromared.

da Tu Rvinoa, isev RvinoTi,

amqveynad myofTa SesviT Sendoba, -

visTan erTadac qveynad RviodiT

da ziar-WurWlad gxvdaT ubedoba.

5


6 proza

qalaqi Sxapis qveS iyo maRviZaram

rom dareka. oTaxSi cioda. pirveli

azri: yava da sigareti. aman isev gamabraza.

aSkarad davknindi. adgoma

mezareboda da amitom giJiviT wamovxti

da abazanisken gavvardi, mere isev

giJiviT Cavicvi. ukve rom ar meTqva,

mciva da mezareba-meTqi, Cemi Semxedvare

namdvilad ifiqrebdiT, wasvla

uxariao.

tvini SeSupebuli mqonda. yaviT da

sigaretiT vnebivrobdi mosawev oTax-

Si, iqve dagdebuli sqeli literaturuli

Jurnali SevniSe da gadavSale.

wavikiTxe erTi Tanamedrove mwerlis

gaugebroba pentium 2-ze. ra sisuleleebia,

uniWo yofila, gavifiqre da

telefonma dareka, aRmoCnda, rom tyuilad

avmdgarvar, wasasvleli aRar viyavi.

SemeZlo ZafiviT gawyvetili Zili

gadameba da sizmrebi amomexvia. davwvebi-meTqi.

uceb eWvma gamielva: vaiTu ar

dameZinos? vaiTu tyuilad gavixado

siciveSi da mere loginSi vitrialo?

dro oTxi saaTi maqvs, Sansi ar gamoviyeno?

unda vcado, gavifiqre da oTax-

Si Sevedi. ramdenime wams vuyure ukve

civ logins. `rom ar dameZinos~? mWamda

eWvi. cal fexze gavixade jinsis Sarvali

da gavCerdi. sanam davwvebodi

gadawyvite, Tavi gamomecada, dameZineboda

Tu ara. Tvalebi davxuWe da Tavi

movikatune, viTom viZinebdi. warmovidgine,

rom loginSi viyavi gemrielad

gagorebuli. ase videqi Sua oTaxSi

TvaldaxuWuli albaT naxevar wuTs,

cali xeliT Sarvali meWira saweleTi.

warmodgenaSi Zalian mesiamovna logini

da fexze mdgomma daviwye Tvlema.

gonebam im wamsve gamaRviZa da gamaxsena,

rom fexze videqi. Cqar-Cqara daviwye

gaxda, amjerad marTla gaxarebulma

da loginSi viskupe. embrionis poza

miviRe da mTeli mondomebiT Zili daviwye.

uceb, sad iyo da sad ara, goneba-

Si saidanRac wyeuli fraza gamoZvra:

`me mSurs pentium 2-is~. gavocdi. ra

ubedurebaa es?! Tavi gaviqnie da meored

daviwye Zili. isev pentiumze fiqri

amityda, gonebas TiTqos cecxli moedo.

ra jandabad vfiqrob am sisuleleze?!

isic ver gavige prozaa Tu poezia.

nawyvetebi TavisiT modiodnen

tvinSi. `nervs bazrobaze nayidi sacurao

trusebi miSlis~, `mudam Seme-

Zleba xali wagiSalo or warbs Soris~.

CemTvis eg xali mizidulobis wertiliviT

iqneboda da eg waSlaze fiqrobs?

axla me magis nifxavze fiqris dro

maqvs?! am tipma goneba amiyrola. an

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

literaturuli gazeTi 27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

rusa amirejibi

absurdi

rogor damamxsovrda es sisuleleebi

Cemi mexsierebis patrons?! gavbrazdi,

Zalian gavbrazdi avtorze. ra Cemda

Wirad dawera es raRac?! Zlivs oTxi

saaTi movigde rom daviZino da ras

hgavs es?! Tan raze wers, an visze? RmerTo

Cemo! ras aviRe is oxeri Jurnali,

am Cemma tutucma tvinmac egreve

rom Seisruta? mRviZari rom yofiliyo

kidev ho.

ase vforiaqobdi, magram raRac

eWvi mainc mCxapnida. Cemken iseTi STabeWdileba

modioda, TiTqos raRac

ver gavige. es avtori ramdenjerme

myavda ekranze nanaxi da cxovrebaSic

momikravs Tvali. aqamde kargi azris

viyavi masze, sworad da logikurad

azrovnebda da gemovneba etyoboda.

mokled, kai tipi megona, magram rogor

dawera es viTom araordinaluri, uideo

da uazro raRac? gamomivida ra

egec pentium 2-is poeturi niWis

qristefore kolumbi. an iqneb TeTri

leqsia da wakiTxvisas iumors CemSi im

Rrma ZiliT eZina, am kacis gadamkide

rom ar meRirsa? gamaxsenda saerTo

axloblebi, msaxiobi col-qmari. gadavwyvite

maTTan mivsuliyavi, misi

moTxrobebi gamomerTmia da davrwmunebuliyavi,

rom es tipi uniWoa da

Tavidan momewyvita misi bazrobaze

nayidi trusebi. siamovnebisgan gavibadre

da aqedan gamomdinare Zili mesamed

daviwye. gonebaSi siCume gaCerda,

Tbili mgzavri _ Tvlema gadmosva da

gza ganagrZo. es tkbili procesi fexis

TiTebidan zeviT nel-nela macocdeboda

da roca gonebamde moaRwia,

me ukve meZina da sizmrad, RmerTo

Cemo, is vaJbatoni gamomecxada da lan-

ZRva damiwyo:

`uzrdelo! TviTon xar kompleqsiani

da gabrazebuli, xami da TargmanSi

dakarguli. sakuTarma geslma ar mogwamlos!!

ra Seni saqmea, me ras davwer,

Senc myavxar ra avtoriteti, Sens

uazro cxovrebas mixede, me vcdilob

mainc, rom azrianad vicxovro da ramdenad

gamomdis Seni gasarCevi araa.

depresia Sen rom gaqvs, maseTi, giJebs

rom hqondeT, xelovnebis nimuSebs Seqmnidnen.

Sens Tavs mixede, uzrdelo!~

gaocebuli viyavi sizmarSi, TiTqos

winaswar icoda, rogor gavlanZRavdi

da mza pasuxebi damaxvedra. Seuracxy-

ofilma Tavmoyvareobam gamaRviZa. ko-

Smari iyo, es ra gadavitane! ase aravis

vulanZRivar. Cxubi ver movaswari da

pativmoyvareoba cxadSic ki mwiwknida.

qals aseTi rameebi rogor unda eZaxos

kacma, romelsac pretenzia aqvs, rom

mweralia da sxvebze meti esmis?

saxlidan xasiaTareuli gavedi, samsaxurSi

mivdiodi. gaCerebaze avtobusis

ukana karidan xnieri qali amaod

cdilobda Camosvlas, bolos ioli gza

monaxa, tyupi fexiT daiwyo safexurebze

Camoxtoma da yovel skups `hoplas~

ayolebda xmamaRla. Camoxteboda

_ hoplao, kidev Camoxteboda _

hoplao. sul sami hopla gaakeTa. mecineboda

da Tan Cemda uneburad viTvlidi.

karg xasiaTze davdeqi, iseTi sayvareli

qalbatoni iyo, Caxuteba mominda,

magram ver gavbede da avtobusSi

avedi. masze fiqri faskunjiviT momafrinda.

mikvirda, ratom unda Caewixla

adamians sakuTari grZnoba mxolod

imitom, rom Tavisuflebis dakargvis

eSinia. da saerTod, ra aris es `mamakacuri

Tavisufleba~? Tavs roca raRacaSi

izRudav, Tavisufali rogorRa

xar? uzneobaSi, kompleqsebSi da RreobaSi

erevaT.

dRes kacebs ratomRac uWirT

"gariskva" da sakuTari gulis nebaze

miSveba, Seyvareba iqame, sadamdec misvla

SeiZleba, sadamdec dro eyofaT

da ramdenjerac moaswreben. Tu qali

ufro iolad riskavs, maTze gabeduli

xom gamodis? da nuTu es kacebis Tavmoyvareobaze

ar moqmedebs?

davuSvaT icxovreben 80 wels. amas

gamovakloT bavSvoba, sibere da Zili,

gvrCeba sul raRac 15 weli jansaRi

sifxizle. gamodis, rom maTi 80 wliani

cxovrebis yvelaze fxizeli da produqtiuli

periodi ulamazod, usiyvarulod,

araromantikulad, mxolod instiqtebis

karnaxiT ucxovriaT. mamakacebo,

qalebisTvis sabraloni da zarmacebi

rom ar iyoT, nu daemgvanebiT siraqlemas,

romelic SiSisagan Tavs qviSa-

Si hyofs da hgonia, rom aravin xedavs.

am yvelafers me vxvdebi da davijero

kacebi ver xvdebian? mainc im

daskvnamde mivedi, rom es "Tavisuflebis

dakargvis SiSi" yuriT moTreuli

mizezi iyo da imas araviTari grZnoba

Cemdami ar hqonda. am fiqrebiT mivedi

samsaxurSi, mere Zalian daRlili

davbrundi saxlSi, televizori

CavrTe, Tan ZilisTvis vemzadebodi. da

hoi, saocrebav! ekranze is vaJbatoni

avtori gamoWimuliyo da erT-erT

politikoss akritikebda. CemSi Zvelma

boRmam ifeTqa. televizori gamovrTe,

davweqi da im imediT daviZine,

rom damesizmreboda da rac davakeli

avunazRaurebdi. asec moxda, samarTlianobam

izeima, marTalia Zil-

Si, magram esec xom saqmea? damesizmra!

hoda, mec ar davayovne da veci, magram

mainc im teqstiT gamovlanZRe, romlis

mza pasuxebic wina sizmarSi tyviasaviT

damayara. TavSi mxolod is teqsti

mqonda SemorCenili da ra meqna?

sofistikasTanac axlos viyavi, magram

xom unda meCxuba, ara?

`ra ginda, ras gadamekide, an dila

ratom Camimware, an kidev es Rame?

ekranze uemociod, zRapariviT ras

gviyvebi Wkvianur azrebs, Se flegma?!

vin gekiTxeba daviZineb Tu ara, vifiqreb

Tu ara Sens jojo leqsze? erTi

riTma mainc gagertya SemTxveviT, amdeni

tvinis Wyleta aRar damWirdeboda

gamerkvia, leqsia Tu moTxroba,

rogor SeiZleba kompiuterze leqsi

dawero? Seni ocnebis oTaxSi qalTan

virtualuri seqsic xom ar girCevnia,

TviTon kompleqsiano! ra gindoda,

goneba rom amiyrole am dilaadrian?

depresia geqneba, sevdian ZuZuebze da

sevdian Tvalebze getyoba, gamomixvedi

ra mwuxare saxis raindi. mogonil

saZinebelSi girCevnia mogonil qalTan

da guls ar iwyvet `undo cxovrebis~

gamo, romelsac shut down-i gaukeTe?!!

`Cven orni varT qveyanaze?~ `me da Ramec~"

migewera jobda, vifiqrebdi isesxa-meTqi.

da uzrdeli me var, Sen _

ara, xom? ratom? mwerali rom xar, imitom?

Tu aravin daijerebs, rom mwerali

SeiZleba uzrdeli iyos?! geubnebi,

SemeSvi-meTqi!~

Tavmoyvareoba kuWs hgavs. jansaR

sakvebs zomierad Tu awvdi, advilad

amuSavebs da janmrTelad cxovrob.

zedmets Tu aZlev, Tavmoyvareobas pativmoyvareoba

enacvleba da yvelaferi

qonebSi midis, gaibRinZebi, gamaZRari

ieriT ivli, sxeuli dagiuSnovdeba...

da rac mTavaria, mainc mudmivi

SimSilis, daukmayofileblobis

grZnoba instinqtad Camogiyalibdeba.

ramem Tu awyina, spazmebi emarTeba, avtomatika

erTveba da sxvadasxva gziT

cdilobs gamodevnos is, ramac mowamla,

pativmoyvareoba ki nagavs gareT

muwukis, naoWis an laqis saxiT gamoyris.

me piradad saxeze naoWs da laqebs,

dards da cremlebs, Cxubi mir-

Cevnia.

hoda, giJiviT Tavmoyvareobam wamomaxtuna

Tu pativmoyvareobam Tqven

gaarkvieT, TqvenTvis momindia. pudric

ar wamisvams, Cavicvi da Cvens saerTo

axloblebs gzidan davureke, TqvenTan

movdivar-meTqi.

mivedi. stumari hyavdaT, axalgazrda

kaci, romelmac Semomxeda Tu ara,

moulodnelad meca, CambRuja da yel-

Si kocna damiwyo. ra Tqma unda, gavogndi.

ar vicodi Tavi rogor dameZvrina

am mazalo momentidan, ra meqna an ra

meTqva da CaviluRluRe, me msaxiobi ar

var-meTqi. siciliT daixocnen. ise gamovida,

TiTqos msaxiobebs yelSi unda

etako da ukiTxavad loSno. Cemi klaseli

aRmoCnda, aseve msaxiobi, bevri

vicineT, momibodiSa, megona, Senc micanio

da maleve wavida.

yava moviTxove da sizmris moyola

daviwye. col-qmari jer didi TvalebiT

ismenda Cems Tavgadasavals, mere

gaecinaT, Sen xom Saris mSobeli xaro

da qmarma misi wigni damido magidaze,

gagatano. ver moviTmine da yavis smas

kiTxva SevuerTe. uniWobaSi unda gamomeWira,

aRtkinebuli viyavi, mosalodneli

siamovnebisgan tuCebs vilokavdi.

daviwye. asoebs mivyevi. pirvelive

abzacis wakiTxvisTanave davinaxe,

rogor gaadina nacarSi tyapani niSnisgebis

kovzma. gonebaSi gasxlta fraza,

romelic saerTodac ar mawyobda, imedgacruebulma

amovioxre da vTqvi:

`kargad wers~. kiTxva gavagrZele. `mignebebs

welavs, arada mSvenivrad daiwyo~.

axla amitom gavbrazdi. Tan mwyinda

raRac, Tan mixaroda...

da saerTod ra mindoda?!


27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

qristine bebia

qari, wvima da mze

qari amovardao, _ ityvis sxva. arada,

RmerTs stkiva da natkens uberavs

suls. RmerTs ram atkinao? _ ikiTxavs

sxva. iman, eger kacma xati miwaze rom

daanarcxa da zed fexebiT Sesdga.

imanac, jvari rom moiglija erTma

gulmkerdidan da umisamarTod Sors

moisrola. eklesia rom daangries, iman.

imad astkivda, wminda sanTeli rom daWmuWnes

da mizil-moziles TavSesaqcevad,

mere ki, kanalizaciaSi CauZaxes.

pirjvari ukuRmidan gamoisaxa Slapianma

mamakacma. iman aatkiva, taZris

Sesasvlel karebTan rom sigareti

gaaboles, Seigines, lazaTianadac gadmoafurTxes.

Seni dedaco, xatebs rom

SeukurTxa, iman. RmerTs vficavo, _

mware tyuilze daifica viRacam. mitom

etkina, xatze gamosaxul wmindans

rom gaekaifa vigindara, ras momCerebixar,

Se Cemisao. bozi RvTismSobels:

erTi me da meore Seno qalwuli! kidev,

siyvarulis maRazia gaixsna. yvelanairi

siyvaruli iyideboda: megobris,

mamis, Zmis, maswavleblebis, Ramis,

biWis, gogos, colis, sayvarlis, sam-

Soblos, seirnobis, nervebze TamaSis,

fufunebis, wignebis, jazis, zRvis,

cekvis, wvimis, leRvis, soflis, Zilis,

Woraobis, Wamis, qargvis, eqstremis,

maRalquslianebis... sulo da gulo, ra

siyvaruli ginda, ar gepova am maRazia-

Si!

miawyda xalxi. zogi mezoblis siyvaruls

yidulobda, zogi _ varjiSis,

zogierTic _ zamTris. zogs isedac

hqonda esa Tu is siyvaruli da axla sxva

siyvaruls yidulobda. imatebdnen.

rac meti siyvaruli gaqvs, miT ukeTesi.

me ki aranairi siyvaruli ar gamaCnda.

swored CemTvis iyo is maRazia, Tu

iyo gaxsnili, magram Zalian Raribi

viyavi, kapikic ar mqonda. eg, fulis

siyvaruli rom ar mqonda, imitom.

vifiqre, waval, egeb arc ise Zviria

siyvarulebi. fuls visesxeb, cotas ki

masesxeben-meTqi. gzas gavudeqi. imdeni

xalxi ireoda quCaSi! amas dedinacvlis

siyvaruli mihqonda, im qals _

mecadineobis, SvilisTvis unda eCuqebina,

savaraudod, amas kidev _ saxlis

dalagebis. axalwverayril ymawvils

Rvinisa da ludis siyvaruli uyidia.

mokled, Zlivs gavigeni gza maRaziamde.

didi rigi iyo. ori dRe-Rame momiwia

rigSi dgomam mxolod imisTvis, ra

fasebi iyo, gamego. siZvirfase da xarisxi

gansazRvravda fass. ramdenic

gindoda, imden siyvaruls agiwonidnen.

yvelaze naklebi moTxovniT RvTis

siyvaruli sargeblobda. TiTqmis saer-

Tod ar gveyidebao, _ gamyidvelis sityvebs

movkari yuri. `yvelaze saWiro

siyvaruli ar sWirdebaT!“ _ Cemi azri

iyo aseTi.

qalma rom piroba dado RvTis winaSe,

Tu Txovnas amisruleb, xatebs Sevwiravo

eklesias. ausrulda, magram eklesiaSic

ar unaxavs mas aqeT aravis. stkiva,

radgan locvebis wignidan amofxrewili

furcliT moixoca Ripianma

gaqonili xel-piri. kidev imitom... ara,

mets ar gavagrZeleb. gana, es sakmarisi

araa tkivilisTvis?!

ufro astkivda da qari gaZlierda.

ufro da _ ufro _ grigali amovarda.

sul rom wagiRoT qariSxalma, nu

daiwuwunebT. TaviTa SeniTao!

Sewyda qari. iTmens CvenTvis.

wvima daiwyoo, _ ityvis sxva. arada,

RmerTi tiris. RmerTs ra atirebso?

_ ikiTxavs sxva. is atirebs, diaci

rom mruSobas Sesdgomia lukmapurisTvis.

iman aatira, kacma kacs cemaSi

rom amoxada suli. narkomani rom

iCxers, imad tiris. erTi rom meores

Cagravs, abuCad rom igdebs da dasci-

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

siyvarulis maRazia

tyuilad videqi maRaziaSi, arafris

myidveli me ar viyavi. sxvebs vuSlidi

xels. `gaiwi ra, Tu arafers yidulob!“

_ mrisxaned SemomibRvira viRacam. Sen,

pirvelyovlisa, xalxis siyvaruli iyide-meTqi,

_ vuTxari da gamovedi.

ramdensac masesxeben, imdens visesxeb

da cot-cota yvelanair siyvaruls

viyidi, _ vTqvi CemTvis gulSi.

aravin masesxa. axla Zaan gvWirdeba

fuli, ar gewyinoso. ra unda meqna?!

davnaRvliandi.

bolos gamiWra gonebam. gancxadeba

gamovaqveyne gazeTSi, _ veZeb adamians,

fulis gasesxebis siyvaruli rom aqvsmeTqi.

an aravis waukiTxavs gancxadeba,

an saerTod ar arsebobs adamiani,

fulis gasesxebis siyvaruli rom

hqondes.

erTi kvira vifiqre, ra gzas davdgomodi.

xalxi ki yidulobda da yidulobda

siyvarulebs.

meore kvirac fiqrSi gavatare. ma-

Razias ki ar eleoda muStari. piriqiT.

kargi mogeba naxa siyvarulis maRaziam.

klientebic rom ar akldeboda?!

aucileblad unda gaixsnaso filiali

_ Wori gavarda. filiali gaixsnaso?

TavSi damkra Suqma. albaT, gamyidvelebic

dasWirdebaT-meTqi. ,,xelfass

rom aviReb, mere viyidi raRacraRac

siyvarulebs, Tan cot-cota

yvela momxmarebels movutexav, Zaan ar

mixvdnen! erT-or grams ras Seatyoben.

CemTvis eg ori gramic bevrs niSnavs da

mniSvnelovania”, _ gavifiqre imedmocemulma.

marTlac gamocxadda vakansia.

Tavi ar damizogavs, Tavi momewonebina,

magram ver agiyvanTo, miTxres.

imdeni vexvewe, davuCoqe kidec, magram

mainc ara da arao, Sen saqmis siyvaruli

ar gaqvso. vimuSaveb da xelfasiT

egreve mag siyvaruls viyidi, pirobas

nis, imitomac. qmari rom cols Ralatobs,

coli kidev _ qmars, megobari

_ megobars, Zmas _ Zmas... RalatisTvis

iRvreba cremlebad. tiris imitom, imdens

rom ityuebian, Tavadac aviwydebaT

simarTle. ciliswamebisTvisac.

qurdebi atireben. uwmawur sityvebs

rom ufro xSirad xmaroben winadadebebSi,

vidre kavSirebs. unda sva da Wamo,

cudad rom ar gaxde. eseni ki, sma-Wamisagan

xdebian cudad. isini WoraobaybedobaSi

pouloben sulier netarebas.

rogor ar itirebs, roca Tavad

wyveten, vin rodis wavides amqveynidan?!

aborti orjer, samjer... eqvsjer...

fuli ufro uyvars am kacs, vidre

mSoblebi, Zma, coli, Svilebi, naTesavebi...

RmerTi. imitom tiris, eger

SuriT rom SeSupebia viRacas guli, meore

siZulviliT gabRenZila, mesame

boRmiT gaskdomamde gaberila... meaTe...

kmara! gana es cota mizezia tirilisTvis?!

codva sigarets hgavs. ician, mavne

romaa, magram mainc iswrafvian misken.

miCvevac icis... da dascxo wvimam. codvas

codvaze ewevian da kokispirulad

wvims. ver anebebs xalxi codvas Tavs da

gaZlevT-meTqi. rodis, erTi Tvis Semdego?

manamde, naxe, ramdeni saqmis siyvarulis

mqone adamiani dgaso rigSi,

maTgan saukeTesos arCevac ki gviWirso.

gamomabunZules.

mowyenili uazrod davxetialobdi

quCaSi. xalxis bednieri saxeebi kidev

ufro maubedurebda. Cems jibrze ra

gaciskrovnebuli brundebodnen navaWriT

maRaziidan?! zogic, Sopingis

siyvaruli rom hqonda, axla midioda

siyvarulis maRaziaSi uzomod gaxarebuli,

win rom didi siamovneba eloda.

filialic gaixsna. filialebic.

ori_sami Tve ise gavida, erTi grami

siyvarulic ki ar miyidia. eeh!..

xuT TveSi guli ise damisivda, lamis

kapilarebi daxeTqa da neknebi dabzara.

sasowarkveTilebisgan gadaRlils

arc fiqris Tavi mqonda da ase

beds mibarebuli vagrZelebdi cxovrebas.

albaT, man Tu mimiyvana erTi wlis

Semdeg siyvarulis maRaziaSi.

_ SeiZleba, ufross davelaparako?

_ ra gnebavT?

_ konfidencialuri saqmea. piradad

masTan msurs saubari.

_ ki batono!.. axlave davbrundebi.

gavida da or wuTSi dabrunda.

_ gamomyeviT.

kabinetSi SemiZRva.

_ SemobrZandiT... dabrZandiT... aba,

ra saqmeze mosulxarT? _ mkiTxa ufrosma.

_ Zalian minda, raRac siyvaruli

SeviZino TqvenTan, Tundac sul mciredi,

magram katastrofulad Raribi

var... Zalian gTxovT, Cemi siyvarulic

gayidoT Tqvens maRaziaSi.

gaocebulma Semomxeda. raime rom

ar eTqva, egreve gavagrZele:

_ Tu gaiyida Cemi siyvaruli, xom

kargi. fuls rom aviReb, imiT viyidi

mere siyvaruls. Tan, Cems siyvaruls

proza

7

gruxunebs ca. es RmerTi slukunebs.

romc waglekoT wyaldidobam, nu dai-

CivlebT. TaviTa SeniTao!

Sewyda wvima. CvenTvis ylapavs.

mzem gamoanaTao, _ ityvis sxva. arada,

RmerTi icinis. Cven dagvciniso? _

ikiTxavs briyvi. rogor gekadrebaT!

aba, ra acinebso?

marTlac, ra acinebs?!

rom iyidian, mere damexmarebian kidec

da meSveleba mec.

_ki, magram...

_araviTari `magram”, gemudarebiT.

umorCilesadgTxovT, uars nu metyviT...

procentebs Tqvenc aiRebT, rasakvirvelia.

dafiqrda.

SevTanxmdiT. fasi daado Cems siyvaruls

_ iafi. arc imdeni vRirdi, albaT,

magram masac xom unda darCenoda,

ara, raRac?!

ase gamovCndi siyvarulis maRaziis

vitrinaSi, magram zedac aravin miyurebda.

tyuil-ubralod vuJuJunebdi

sevdian, ZaliT gamxiarebul Tvalebs

myidvelebs. erTi-orma ki SeaCera Cemze

dafiqrebuli mzera, TiTqos ver gadaewyvitaT,

Rirda Tu ara Cemi siyvarulis

yidva. ara, es araferSi gamogvadgebao,

_ daaskvnidnen bolos. fulis

gaflangvaao am siyvarulis yidva, _

erTis sityvebma Camikla guli. erTsac

bavSvi exveweboda, dedi, dedi, es miyide,

rao. sada maqvso uazrod gadasayreli

fuli. rac gamogadgeba, imas

giyidio. dedi, gTxov, ra, ar damwyvitoo

guli. Sen fulis yadri ar ici da

pirvel rigSi, fulis siyvaruls

giyidio. _ ukacravad, gogona, fulis

siyvaruli ra Rirs?

gavida xani da Camoafases Cemi siyvaruli.

romc gavsaRebuliyav, mainc

groSebi Semxvdeboda. mag fuliT Zaan

cota siyvaruli Tu momividoda, magram

sul araraobas cota ara sjobs?!

seilmac ar moizida Cemken xalxi.

amas winaT Cems fexebTan xurda dauvarda

viRacas da ver SeniSna. arc me

movqceulvar ise, wesieri adamiani rom

moiqceoda aseT viTarebaSi. frTxilad,

sxvas rom ar SeemCnia, ise aviRe

xurda. ki SemeSinda, eWvi ar aeRoT , xom

ar moiparao da sxva ram amdagvari, magram

imave dRes, maRazia rom iketeboda,

maSin gamyidvels mainc vuTxari, am

fuliT ramdenic momiva, imdeni RvTis

siyvaruli amiwoneT-meTqi. magiT araferi

mogivao.

axlac siyvarulis maRaziis vitrinas

`vamSveneb“. an miyidian, an ara, magram

mainc imediT udgas kacs pirSi

suli. erT dResac gamoivlis, albaT,

viRac madliani da iyidis Cems siyvaruls,

an ra vici, egeb, kidev dauvardes

vinmes xurda da Sevagroveb, sanam

raRac siyvaruli ar momiva, manam Tu

ar momisroles sanagveSi, tyuilad

ikavebs adgils, mainc aravin yidulobso...


8 poezia

* * *

Sen ki arsebob, magram Sorsa xar

da nawildebi CemSi sizmrebad,

siaxlis mZafri survili, zamTris

RameebiviT dgas da izrdeba.

vici, rom amiT verafers Sevcvli,

mainc ar minda gamofxizleba,

rogorc mzes da cas ara aqvT sxva gza,

msurs, Cvenc erTmaneTs vyavdeT xiznebad.

* * *

erTmaneTs SevxvdiT

gacrecilebi,

daclilebi,

gadaRlilebi...

morCilad vdevdiT, rasac varqmevT

bedsa da iRbals,

aRarc survili cimcimebda

varskvlavebs miRma.

ara imitom,

rom ar iyo dro ukve amis,

ara imitom,

rom cxreboda mze okeanis,

ara imitom,

rom ar gvsurda, gvepova msgavsi,

ara imitom,

ver vamCnevdiT Sor mTvares avsils,

arc vici, ratom,

magram albaT qariSxlebisgan

viyaviT ukve

daRlilebi

da damfrTxalebi...

Cven am dros SevxvdiT,

Torem ise vin gauZlebda

aseT Sexvedras

ase mSvidad,

Sexebas aseTs...

* * *

dro Semparavad amZimebs mtevnebs,

mze ki dabindul marcvlebs dahyurebs,

miwa ivseba samkaulebiT,

rom veRar uZlebs vazi sayures,

cas eleweba simwifis feri

da zRva iRvreba TiTqos qarvebad -

mze amas rom ar xedavdes, albaT,

zamTris dards veRar gaiqarvebda.

wvima

mcirdeba wveTi,

TiTqos,

wamiwam -

dedamiwaze wvima wamowva,

wyalma Seavso

yvela naprali,

nanamdvilevi

Tu nazRaprali,

aRar iSleba

gube wreebad, -

wvimam Sewyvita

danawevreba...

mcirdeba wveTi,

TiTqos,

wamiwam -

dedamiwaze wvima wamowva.

* * *

ver gagimxile me verasdros,

rogor mindoda

SenTan Sexvedra da es fiqri

mdevda akvnidan

gzac ki ar vici, Torem dResve

Cemi sarkmlidan

Sens samyaroSi usasrulod

gadmovidodi.

da vrCebi ase, usaxurad,

casa da miwas,

mzesa da mTvares,

am sivrceebs Soris varsebob,

ar msurs, sinaTle iyos Sori

da unapiro,

mqondes samyaro da aravis

gavunawilo.

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

margalitis sayure

qeTi niJaraZe

Semodgomis mze iwureba TandaTan, mZimed,

es dRec dasrulda, margalitis sayures vixsni,

vixsni Tasmebs da

kabis Rilebs,

sayvarel mZivebs,

TiTqos Senelda majiscema da dacxra sisxli.

grZeli dReebi, usasrulod gabmuli wlebad,

gaurkveveli molodini, raRac miznebi –

erTi SexebiT gaocebis burusSi wveba _

dReidan albaT arc warsulSi damesizmrebi,

dReidan Seni saxis yvela nakvTi davkarge,

yvela konturma SeiZina axali sivrce,

dRes gamixunda gazafxulis Wreli sakabe

majac gviani Semodgomis ritmebad micems.

es dRe dasrulda, margalitis sayures vixsni,

TiTqos damSvidda yvelaferi da dacxra sisxli.

pauza

yoveli Sexvedra –

axali golgoTa,

yoveli saRamo Sexvedramde _

Cemi Sexebaa axdenil sizmarTan,

vidre

mxrebs mklavebSi movaqcevde,

vidre

sinamdviles Sevxedavde...

gzaa molipuli

da uswormasworo,

gzis miRma raRacis surnelia _

Sen es arseboba

geqca Tanamgzavrad,

me ki, rom davdivar, sul veli da

sul minda,

dReidan damidges is erTi

namdvili wami Tu gaelveba _

axla Sens yofaSi didia pauza,

is albaT CemSidac gamefdeba...

fexs aRar movicvli,

sunTqvasac Sevikrav _

vgrZnob, rom xangrZlivdeba pauza da

dros uwindeburad

veRar davexsnebi _

pauza

muzasac

dauzavda.

* * *

ufskrulebia aq iseTi, SegeSindeba _

cixe-koSkidan monazvnebis gadmovardnebi.

rati amaRlobeli

dRes gadavwyvite, mogismino da dagijero,

mtvrian Taroze daviwyebis saaTebs vawyob,

vcdilob, xelaxla avixilo orive Tvali

da davinaxo Seneburad Cemive awmyo.

SesaniSnavi samyaroa Cems win, dilidan

iSveba qari mis wiaRSi da miaqvs dardi,

gadarCenili sinamdvile qmnis idilias

da es simSvide saRamosken zecamde adis,

27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

Tbili dReebi sruldebian lurji sisavsiT,

swored iseTi simsubuqiT, rogorc dRes miTxres,

moaqvT Rameebs Tanabari sunTqvis ritmebi,

ar mitoveben upasuxod dasmul SekiTxvebs,

ase gaivlis darCenili dReebi, wlebi _

zustad imdeni, rac aqamde iyo da maSin

dadgeba Jami, albaT ise dadgeba Jami,

aRarc meqneba sinanuli bedTan TamaSis.

magram erTxelac,

Tu Semexe,

Tu damesizmre,

Tu gamaxsenda gaRviZebuls Seni saxeli,

mainc imave ufskrulebis piras davdgebi

da daveSvebi uecari Tvalis axeliT.

talRebi

talRebi _

qviSebad dayrili udabno,

talRebi _

qarebi stepebis,

guSin _

gaToSili cis gadmosaxedi,

dRes _

kvali mzis cxeli terfebis,

gvirabi,

gamsvleli sxva samyaroebSi,

an sulac _

minebi feradi _

arc veneciuri,

arc mozaikuri,

ubralod, susti da msxvrevadi,

xan Semparavi da

xan damangreveli,

zogjer margalitis mZerwavi,

aRelvebuli da

damcxrali talRebi _

dilisken aSlili zewari,

talRebi Tbili da

talRebi veragi _

wylis erTianobis damSleli,

talRebi, romlisgan

ar iyo,

ar aris

da arc xval iqneba saSveli.

* * *

me – tyveobaSi

sakuTari vnebebis nebis,

me _ tyveobaSi

sakuTari warmosaxvebis

ise veqcevi, ise vrCebi da vbinavdebi,

rom meSinia samudamo gamosaxlebis.

da mravldebian es SiSebi, viT uneburad

metyvelebaSi daSvebuli uzustobebi,

magram RmerTebi kvlav xandaxan, uwindeburad,

mainc mosaven mitovebulT muzis togebiT,

sul erTi wamiT amixsnian xelebze borkils

da aivseba isev leqsiT sityvis abgebi,

Cemi surviliT mivatoveb Znebs, axalmomkils,

ukacrieli sinamdvilis gzas davadgebi,

rom iqneb ase, usasrulo bilikebs miRma

dadges is wami, me rom amas marTla vbedavde _

xom SeiZleba, gamovexsna Cemive nebas

da es sityvebi movitano erTxel Senamde.


27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

dasawyisi # 9-14

xoda, eg kaci iyo kapitan lerner

ivan iosifoviC, iyo egre ocdaaTi

wlis biWi da magari azze mosuli. im

ambavSi ro samxedroao, verc ityodi,

im pontSi forma Tu ar ecva. forma

kide xan ecva, xan ara. graJdanebSi dadioda

da mec exla aRar vityvi ro

asobaT viyavi iq, imito ro qarTvlebma

egre icoden maSin jaridan ro Camovidoden,

ro yvela asobaT iyo da yvelas

kamandir palkas qaliSvili aZelvda

da vabSe.

yvela ara mara bevri, yvela iseTi

pontia, sityvaze vTqvi Tore imenna

yvela ar migulisxmia, egre vigulisxme

ro yvela vinc egeT pontSia ro Tavis-

Tavi ise unda daganaxos ro jarSi asobaT

iyo.

trabaxis pontSi ki ara, prosto

vambob ro qalaqSi me xebeebiT ar gavsulvar,

sul graJdanebSi davdiodi

da ro giTxra, qalaqSic ise xSiraT ar

davdiodi, ro magisi mariaJoba daviwyo

am xnis kacma.

iasnia ro vania lerneri da me ro

davZmakacdiT da rac rusulebi maxsovs

sul iq naswavli da magra mendoboda,

imito ro eg, sadac me wamiyvana

magan, ar iyo ubralo adgili da me

viyavi storoJis pontSi. vafSe mand

mTavari ra iyo ro egeTi didi ezo iyo

da iq elaga storimaterialebi, vafSe

yvelanairi, Tavis kraskebiT dawyebuli,

vafSe armaturiT da xis masaliT

da yvelafriT da me viyavi mand kruglasutoCna.

egeTi vagoni idga, Sig

iyo vanias kabineti Tavis seifiT da

Cemi oTaxi da kide erTi oTaxi sadac

vanias naSebi moyavda xolme, imito ro

coliani iyo, mara naSebi evaseboda. me

meuneboda, ranairi gruzini xar, naSebs

ar dasdevo. me uTxari, me iseTi futbolisti

viyavi, yvela aqeT damdevda

da miCveuli ar varTqo.

naSebi iyo, kaneSna, mara iseT pontSi

qarTvlebma ro ician, me ar mevaseboda.

mamaCemi gamoagzavnida pasilkas,

matarebels atanda da wavidodiT me da

vania magis noltriT, daudebdi WaWas

da viyaviT egre.

me ras vakeTebdi.

me viyavi da meZina. erTi ponti iyo,

ro vania movidoda da metyoda. xval

mova gruzavikiT ori kaci, getyvian

ro vaniam ro giTxra xuTasi aguri is

xalxi varT da imena Tavze daadeqi da

dauTvaleo. karoCe CaliCobda vania

da isania ro sando kaci undoda iq da

qarTvelze sando vin iqneba, ro Cali-

Cob. ar CagiSvebs Tu cota tkbilad

geyoleba da vafSe Tu xedavs ro adamianaT

Tvli, mogexmareba magraT. ma-

Sin mageebis azze ar viyavi, mara nelnela

vxvdebodi, naxlovkeli var, ra

unda moxdes ro rame ro atydes, me magaze

pakazania mivce. varianti ar ari

xo, su ro vafSe bozi da CaTlaxi iyos,

me magas ki ar ufTxildebi, Cem gagebas

da adamianobas ufTxildebi. magan eg

icoda Tu ar icoda, me magas ver vityvi,

mara icoda qarTvelebze albaT

da vabSe eg didi CaliCi iyo, imito ro

iasnia, rasac levaT uSvebda imisi xo

miqonda maRla.

ZvelaT egre iyo da exla vabSe

levi ar ari da sxva CaliCebia.

zogjer vabSe me mqonda nakaldnoebi

da mivyvebodi gruzaviks, an

zogjer saldatebi moyavda da

atvirTvinebda, vabSe saldatebs akeTebiebden

remonts egeni. muqTa iyo da

imito. aficeri saldats akeTebiebda.

imito iyo ro yvebodnen mere es

qarTvlebi, gamatanes Spalieri kamandir

palkas saxlSi da magra Seuyvardi

imis gogoso. magra siciliT

vkvdebi egeT rameebze xolme, Tu gamecina.

Tu ara da vigruzebi da dauwyef

gamokiTxvas, sanam xaia ar mouva.

egrec Seileba iyo xolme, prostomc,

imdeni ara rogorc egeni yvebian,

ro yvela meore egre iyo.

erTi iyo Cveni ubenli ori weli

daxurul qalaqSi iyo, raRaca erqva im

aka morCilaZe

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

legendaruli qemeras piradi

da sazogadoebrivi cxovreba

qalaqs ce dvao Tu be dvao. awveboda

sul germanelebi cxovrobdeno.

ruseTSi to, cimbirSi da naSa myavda

germanelio, ro movdiodi gaskda tiriliTo.

gamecineba aba ra iqneba, Sen egeTi

kai tipi xar ro eg ro tiroda, Sen icinodi

da fexebze gekida? Tavisas ki ar

yvebian xolme TiTon ras fiqroben,

imisas yvebian, imas rogor davenaneo,

ro me ra kai roJa var, ro gogos egre

davenaneo.

eg gogos ambavi iyo Cveni CurTes

ambavi.

me Cemi da vainis ambebs sxva dros

movyvebi, reebi CavatareT iq da ori

weliwadi rogor viyavi jarSi ro jar-

Si ar viyavi, magaze kide ro wamovedi

da davtove jaris gogo, CurTes ambavia

magari imito ro CurTem ar datova.

ar datova im pontSi ro ro modidoda

jaridan uTxra ro Camoval da

colaT SegirTavo. egre qarTvlebi

waramara eunebian, mara eg riJaa, Tan

es CurTe ro Camovida, xo ar uTqvia.

erTi prizivi viyaviT karoCe, mara ra-

Racas pontSi Cemze adre Camovida

cota ra.

jaridan ro Camoxval kide rogor

ari xo ici, magra monatrebuli xar Sen

pontebs da jaris ambebisken vafSe

gaxedva ar ginda.

ra jari da gogoebi, jer marto

ori kvira qeifia da an dedaSens

rogor uxaria an vabSe, mere dadixar,

usaqmoT xar, voliaze xar.

me iqac kai volia gamomivida Cemi

prisiagaze gatrakebis gamo, mara sad

saxSi da sad jarSi da vagonSi.

xoda karoCe Camosuli var da ise-

Ti pontia ro sul qeifi da prosto

vbirJavikof ra. futbolisti Cemgan

aRar gamova da ra gavakeTo vabSe azze

ara var. iq ro viyavi burTi viyide da

skladis kedleze vvarjiSobdi. priviCka,

xo ici. strelcovi zonaze varjiSobdao

mag pontSio, zustaT egre

iyo.

karoCe, Camosuli var da Tamaza

kakraz cols irTavs da qemero, iqeTa

SabaTs xo qorwiliao da karoCe, mejvare

xaro. meTqi saRol. mara mejvare

xo unda moemzados, mayuTi, fotografi,

ekelsia, yvelaferi. meTqi

vizam, eg ar inerviulo. eg miTxra SabaTs

ra. ro iqiTa SabaTs mejvare xaro.

xoda meTqi im kviraSi mival da mivxedav

saqmeebs mara iseTi pontia ro kostumi

minda, me xo ici, vabSe kostumi

ar mcmia v Jizni. ver vitan daJe gamosaSvebi

ro iyo, maSin ar mcmia. daJe

natuka mexvewa da erTi Cavicvi Cven

qorwlze da egreve gavixade.

exla magisTvis kostums xo ar viyidi,

ar maq kostumi da meTqi visa aq

kostumi, visa aq kostumi ro Cem zoma-

Si iyos da ver gavixsene, naxalovkelebi

varT oci wlisebi, ra kostumi.

kostumi vafSe maSin ar uyvardaT

TbilisSi biWebs, im pontSi ro exla

roa patara biWebi ro banki da rame da

dadian kostumiT egre sad iyo. magari

mesasaciloeba kostumi ra.

xoda mageebs vfiqrob, karoCe da

kvira dilaa da meTqi im kviraSi ekelsiaSi

vinemes waviyolef, ro mRvdels

uTxraT ro jvari unda daiweron da

martos mitydeba. maSin mRvdeli sxva

pontSi iyo da redki iyo.

karoCe, Cveni ezos win vzivar iseT

pontSi ro saRamoa da ukve cotaze

civa da sigarets vewevi.

ar veweodi da vewevi, jarSi daviwye,

xoda modis CurTe.

movida dajda da meuneba, qemero,

unda wamomyveo, wamo meTqi. Zma ari, xo

ar kiTxav sad wamogyve da avdeqi, erTi

es vkiTxe ro rame iaraRi xo ar ari

saWiro, ro gamovarTvaT vinmes.

iaraRi mamnet ki gaasworebdao,

mara ver waviRebTo, samaliotSi ar

Segvataniebeno.

meTqi ras meuneba esa, mgonia ro

exla unda wavyve da meuneba, karoCeo,

belarusiaSi unda wamomyveo, iqo gogo

miyvarso da colaT unda SevirToo da

mejvare xaro.

karoCe su mejvare viyavi Cven uban-

Si, naTlulebi miyvars da uvli, ver

vamuRamef, naTluls ro ar uvlian.

es CurTe kide dacentrili, erTi

uyure prostom. meTqi magas eg saxis

jRanva raT unda, me megona exla wamomyevi

an strelka gaq an rame, ra vici.

arao, karoCe samSabaTs ari TviTmfrinavio

da unda gavfrindeT da

iqedan kide bresti ari qalaqio. iq iyo

jarSi, ra. im brestSi. xoda is gogoc

iqauria albaT, vafSe ar uxsenebia. jer

egec gamikvirda, mara CurTea, meTqi

izmenebi qonda.

exla ro miTxra egeTi rame xo davigruzebi

da Sen ras daggruzav vafSe

miwas Tvals ver aacilef. mara maSin

biWi xar, ki mqonda maSinac gruzebi.

biWo meTqi, SabaTs Tamazas mejvare

var, samSabaTs belarusiaSi rogor wamovide,

meTqi, im kviraSi wavideT da Tu

ginda erTi Tve viyoT. varianti ar ari

ro Tamazas qorwilSi SabaT dilaze

ar viyo.

karoCeo, pirobas gaZlevo ro SabaTs

dilaze ai aq idgebio da Tamazas

qorwilSi waxvalo.

meTqi, iq qorwilis pontia da

movaswreb, mara Sua kviraSi qorwili

ra pontia. ra vici rusebis egeba aqvT.

meTqi dedaSenic modis Tu rogor ari.

ra dedaCemio. me dedamisi im pontSi

uTxari ro meTqi qorwilia da mama ara

yavs CurTes.

karoCeo, erTi gogo miyvarda iqo

da meTqi saxSi Caval da mivixed movixedav

da wamogiyvanTo uTxario. imas

ar unda aq wamosvlao, mara wamomsvlelia,

imasac uyvarvaro, mara exla

guSin daurkeo da miTxrao, egeTi

situacia ario ro droze Tu ar Camoxvedio,

CeCeni damdevs erTi da veRar

averidebi da gavyvebi imaso, ver moverevio

da unda CavideT da wamoviyvanoTo.

proza

9

me Tan marto mejvare ki ar var vi-

Raca CeCenbic meCiTeba ro mament ras

izamen ar ici. CeCeni marto xo ar iqneba.

Tu erTia, mTeli naTesaobac gverZe

eyoleba.

karoCe ar miyvars egeTi ambebi.

mara CurTea.

jer ra pontia, imaze gayola momiwevso

ro euneba. me vafSe maSinac ar

mjeroda egeTi rameebis da vifiqre

ro, eg aCqarebs amas ro, TbilisSic ro

iyo egeTi pontebi ro droze SemirTe

Tore momitacebeno.

Tu mogiwevs da gayevi, Seni dedac

mand movtyan Tu egrea. jaris nerovzebi

ra ari amasTan, egeT rameebze ro

daviwyeb fiqrs.

aba, momiwevs ra ari.

mere an es ra ari ro mirbixar, im

CeCens ra unda uqna ici vabSe? an is ras

gizams? CeCenia, musikis maswlebeli xo

ar ari. CeCenia.

ro midixar ra plani gaq. Smanebma

rame giTxres?

meTqi, kai ambavia.

CurTes veunebi, ra unda vqnaT ro

CavalT. movklaT, davWraT, mogvklan,

dagvWran, Tu ra. raxanac miTxra sad

miyvavar, xo Seileba ro vkiTxo.

arao, movagvarebTo, gavaCerebT im

CeCnebso, imito ro magari Zmakaci

myavs iqao, magari biWiao, gagebis bi-

Wiao da iman iciso, movagvarefo iZaxiso.

agaSenebs RmerTi, me raRa pontSi

mivdivar eg aRar vici da Tan simar-

Tle ro giTxra, ufro imis izmena maq

ro Tamazas ar vawyenino. meTqi,

daWrili Tu Camomasvenes Tamazas

qorwilSi. moklulze ar mifiqria,

etyoba ara mqonda egeTi Sexeduleba

mag saqmeze, ro movekali vinmes.

danebi CavdoT bagaJSio da egre wavideTo,

iaraRs ver gavitanTo CurTe

meuneba. iaraRs is Cemi Zmakaci dagvaxvedrebso.

im Zmakcs qvia Turme sidora da

jarSi ki iyo, mara pristupnikuls awveba,

muJikia ra. Cvenze didia cotazeo,

nadisbatari da karoCe, amas dauZmakcda

im jarSi disbaitdan ro moabrunes.

karoCe mogvigvarebso.

Cven xo rusuli bazari ara gvaq.

cotcotas vici, mara me rogorc vxedav

iq vasnavnom am sidoram unda ibazros.

qemera kide mejvarea.

me ki mjeravs, ro eg sidora pristupnikia

da bazarSic magari iqneba,

imito ro rusi Tu magaria da bazars

daiWers, vsio, doma. mara me xo sidoras

ar vicnof da gasagebia ro bazari

eqneba, mara ras unda movelode magisgan,

ra nervebi aq da raze wamsvlelia,

me ra vici. pristupniki bevrnairia,

xo?

am CurTes veunebi amas da CurTem

kide aba ra unda miTxras, iZaxis da iZaxis

Zma ari sidora, Zma ari sodira,

dedas moutynavT.

me xo ici, ro gineba ar miyvars, mara

ukve orjer gineba vaxsene. egeTi ambavia

da imito.

mere kide es ver gavige, is sidora

Tu pristupnikia da paniawia aqs, qalis

saqmeSi rogor gaereva.

veunebi, Sen ki ar gagitydes CurTe,

wavideT da yvelaferi, prosto me informacias

vagorveb, ro gaq mag kacis

imedi, pristupnikia da iq bazarSi

rogor motrialdeba bazari, pristupniki

xaias ver micems, mament Cven

winaaRmdeg iqneba imito ro sityvas

ver gadava da mzaT xar magisTvis?

CurTe kide, Zma ari, Zma aris iZaxis.

jarSi bevri vinmea ro Zma ari da

ro gamoxval iqedan, vafSe verasdros

veRar naxav. ZvelaT werilebis gzavna

iyo, mara aba ramdeni Tbiliseli biWi

iqneba ro jaridan wamova da jaris

amxanags an iqaur gogos werilebs

gaugzavnis. erTxel, orjer, samjer da

vsio. sada, Cven wera ar gviyvars, Cven

laparaki da atnaSenia gviyvars. exla

werilebi uwere. aba vin uwerda werilebs?

aravin ar uwerda.

gagrZeleba me-11 gverdze


10 interviu

literatori

_ batono revaz, mogvianebiT, represirebul

qarTvel mweralTa dakiTxvis

oqmebze muSaoba, emociurad,

albaT, ormagad mZime iyo TqvenTvis...

ded-mamis dapatimrebis mizezi ra

gaxda?

_ mamaCemi Zveli armiis oficeri

iyo, Semdeg damoukidebeli saqarTvelos

dasacavad ibrZoda... mizezi albaT

es gaxda. Tumca maSin aTasi sxva

interesi `ereoda” saqmeSi – zogs vi-

Racis bina moswonda, zogs _ viRacis

Tanamdeboba, zogsac _ sxvisi coli...

mama 1937 wels waiyvanes da daxvrites.

dedac maleve daapatimres, bralad

`qmris dausmenloba” dasdes. maSin ba-

TumSi, qalaqis centrSi vcxovrobdiT.

Cvens binaSi umalve Sinsaxkomis Tanam-

Sromeli qali Seasaxles. Semdeg bebiam

CamogvakiTxa da sofelSi wagviyvana...

_ saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiris

erT-erTi uZvelesi TanamSromeli

brZandebiT da Tqveni literaturuli

saqmianobac swored am dawesebulebis

istorias ukavSirdeba. rogor

`aRmoCndiT” mweralTa kavSirSi?

_ 1952 wels davamTavre universiteti.

Cemi Tanakurselebi Semdgom-

Si cnobili mecnierebi da moRvaweni

gaxdnen. Zalian Zlieri nakadi viyaviT.

jgufSi provinciidan mxolod me

gaxldiT, danarCenebi qalaqelebi

iyvnen. swavlis periodSi arasodes

aravis ugZnobinebia, rom `trockistis

Svili” viyavi. Tuca aspiranturaSi

swavlis gagrZeleba Cemi biografiis

gamo ver SevZeli. moxda ise, rom universitetis

damTavrebis Semdeg samuSaod

arsad gamanawiles. ra meqna, isev

sofelSi davbrundi. moulodnelad,

Cemi Tanakurselebisgan – ioseb (iuza)

lorTqifaniZisa da vaJa mebukesgan

depeSa miviRe... rogor ar vaxseno isini?

Turme, mweralTa kavSirSi misulan,

Cveni leqtori da seminarebis xelmZRvaneli

sergi Wilaia mweralTa kav-

Siris axladarCeuli pasuxismgebeli

mdivani iyo. Cemze uTqvamT, dasakargi

kaci ar ariso. sergi Wilaias upasuxia,

swored axla, mweralTa sasaxlis

direqtoris Tanamdeboba Tavisufldebao.

maSin aseTi Stati arsebobda.

rva weliwadi vimuSave am Tanamdebobaze.

Semdeg kavSiris bibloTekis

gamged daviniSne.

_ biblioTekaSi muSaobisas mweralTa

kavSiris arqivTan xeli migiwvdebodaT?

_ 1972 wlamde mweralTa kavSiris

arqivi kavSiris SenobaSi inaxeboda.

Semdeg saxelmwifom axali kanoni miiRo,

romlis Tanaxmadac ramdenime

arqivi, maT Soris Cvenic, literaturisa

da xelovnebis centralur saxelmwifo

arqivSi, vaJa-fSavelas gamzirze,

pirvel nomerSi gadaitanes. misi direqtori

vaxtang gurgeniZe gaxldaT,

patrioti kaci, didi moamage. swored

iq wavikiTxe da davamuSave yvelaferi.

manamde albaT gamiWirdeboda, radgan

mweralTa kavSirSi dokumentebi usistemod

elaga. centralur arqivSi ganlagebis

Semdeg ki, SesaniSnavma bibliografma,

nino qiqoZem masalas Tema-

revaz kverenCxilaZe:

turi, mwyobri saxe misca. aman muSaoba

gamiadvila.

_ mweralTa kavSiris arqivze

muSaoba ram gadagawyvetinaT?

_ kavSirSi muSaobis periodSi gamiCnda

azri, rom mweralTa kavSiris,

rogorc SemoqmedebiTi organizaciis,

istoria damewera. am Temaze araTu

saqarTveloSi, maSindeli sabWoTa kav-

Siris sxva qveynebSic aravis emuSava.

nel-nela daviwye, mravali adamiani

gamovkiTxe, maTgan umetesoba dRes

cocxali aRar aris, saintereso ambebs

miyvebodnen, icodnen damsmeni da usindiso

ar viyavi da mendobodnen. biblioTekaSi

inaxeboda Zveli JurnalgazeTebis

_ `mnaTobis”, `literaturuli

saqarTvelos”, `poeziis dRis”

uklebliv yvela nomeri. isini kargad

davamuSave, mimdinare presasac Tvals

vadevnebdi. Semdeg ki, arqivs Cavujeqi...

saocaria, 1937 wlis stenogramebic

ki Semonaxulia!

_ pirvel wignze _ `saqarTvelos

mweralTa kavSiri. 1917-1982” _ muSaobas

didi dro moandomeT?

_ wignis pirveli naxevari _ 1917-

1932 wlebis ambebi _ ukve dawerili

mqonda, roca 1974 wels, saqarTvelos

literaturuli fondis direqtorma

amiran gabiskiriam mommarTa winadadebiT,

qviSxeTSi, dimitri yifianis mamulSi

mdebare mweralTa SemoqmedebiT

saxlSi, aRmzrdelis Stati damekavebina.

zafxulobiT iq mweralTa ojaxebi

isvenebdnen, iqauroba bavSvebiT

iyo savse. davTanxmdi. ivlis-agvistos

ojaxTan erTad iq vatarebdi. 1975 wels

qviSxeTSi isvenebda nika agiaSvili, avtori

wignisa `Wabukebi darCnen marad”.

mas Cemi naSromis Sesaxeb vuTxari da

vTxove, iqneb gadaxedoT-meTqi. ramdenime

dRis Semdeg, nika meubneba, `wynar

saaTs” rom gamoacxadeb, biblioTekaSi

SeviketoT da davilaparako-

To... axlac Senaxuli maqvs patar-patara

baraTebze misi xeliT Camowikwikebuli

survilebi, SeniSvnebi da ase Semdeg.

miTxra: `rezo, megona mweralTa

kavSiris Sesaxeb yvelaferi vicodi,

magram Turme ase ar yofila. icode,

am jojoxeTur samuSaos Sens garda

xels aravin mokidebs. gaagrZele es

saqme da Tu survili geqneba redaqtorobas

gagiwev”. am sityvebma gamamxneva,

Tumca Semdeg erTi Secdoma davuSvi:

wignis dabeWdvas saSveli rom ar

daadga, samuSaoze guli gamityda da

amitom meore nawili SedarebiT mSrali

gamovida. Tan, komunisturma reJimmac

Tavisi `tori” daado, zogierTi

adgili gadakeTda. arada, arasodes

unda ifiqro imaze, daibeWdeba Tu ara,

unda imuSao, Tavi miakla, daxvewo, daxvewo,

daxvewo...

_ sabWoTa wlebSi 1917-1932 wlebisa

da aseve Semdgomi periodis amsaxveli

saarqivo masalis srulad gamoqveyneba,

albaT, marTlac SeuZlebeli

iyo...

_ maSin nika agiaSvilma zogierTi

sabuTis Sesaxeb miTxra kidec, aseTi

rameebi Seinaxe, amas axla aravin dagabeWdinebso.

muSaobisas iseTi xalxis

gvarebi mxvdeboda... 1926 wels, mweral-

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

literaturuli gazeTi 27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

`81 wlisa var, vCqarob, ar minda daifantos is,

razec mTeli cxovreba vimuSave~

revaz kverenCxilaZe saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiris uxucesi muSakia. literaturis siyvarulma da qarTvel klasikosebTan

siaxlovem ubiZga XX saukunis saqarTvelos literaturuli cxovrebis safuZvlian kvlevas Sedgomoda da

rogorc piruTvnel mematianes, qarTuli mwerlobis istoriis furclebi gaecocxlebina. aTwleulebis manZilze, sxvadasxva

saarqivo masalis SeswavlaSi atarebda dReebs, mraval saintereso da mniSvnelovan sabuTs miakvlia, sruliad

ucnob dokumentebs gaecno, mopovebuli masala daamuSava, komentarebi daurTo da sxvadasxva dros gamosca wignebad:

`saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiri. 1917-1982”, `wamebis gza” (or wignad), `sabuTebi RaRadeben”, `XX saukunis saqarTvelos

literaturuli cxovreba”. qarTuli mwerlobis erTguli meistorie 2003 wels Rirsebis ordeniT dajildovda.

literaturis siyvaruli bavSvobidan mosdevs. siymawvilem lanCxuTis raionis CoCxaTis Temis sofel xoreTSi, babuis

aSenebul oda saxlSi gairbina. sastumro oTaxSi, `zalas” rom eZaxdnen, `etaJerka” idga ociode wigniT. vasil

barnovis sami romani, egnate ninoSvilis `janyi guriaSi”, sergo kldiaSvilis `cicino gurieli”, ioseb griSaSvilisa da

irakli abaSiZis leqsTa krebulebi, saltikov-SCedrinis `pompadurebi” (qarTulad Targmnili) da STambeWdavad dasuraTebuli,

rusulenovani Zveli gamocema `sovremenni pariJ” lamis aT-aTjer hqonda gadakiTxuli. zamTari kiTxvis

dro iyo – babuis xuTasZiriani mandarinis baRis movla, kolmeurneobis kuTvnili citrusis mosavlis aReba, yanis

samuSaoebi ufrosebTan erTad ukve moleuli hqonda. roca soflis saSualo skola vercxlis medalze daamTavra da umaRles saswavlebelSi ugamocdod

Cabarebis saSualeba mieca, ojaxis wevrebma misi eqimoba moisurves. rCevis misaRebad cnobil qalaqel specialistebTanac miiyvanes, magram arCevans ar

uRalata, misi ufrosi Zmis kvals gayva da 1947 wels ivane javaxiSvilis Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetSi, filologiis fakultetze Sevida.

axla 81 wlis rezo kverenCxilaZe Cems win zis da Tavisi cxovrebisa da saqmianobis Sesaxeb Txrobas mSoblebiT iwyebs. mSoblebiT _ radgan gasuli

saukunis 30-ian wlebSi maTi represirebiT gamowveuli tkivili arasodes ganelebia...

Ta kavSiris - ukve sabWoTa gzaze damdgari

mweralTa kavSiris - Tavmjdomaris

moadgiled grigol robaqiZe daniSnes!

mis avtoritets gauwies angariSi

da amitom daniSnes! bedis ironiaa,

rom igi yovlad uniWo proletmwerlis,

komunisti funqcioneris, silibistro

Todrias moadgile iyo. es

ukanaskneli Tavis poemaSi `dabadeba

anu biblia” werda, RmerTsaviT mavne

pirovneba qveynad meore ar megulebao.

wignSi, romelic 1983 wels gamovida,

naTqvami iyo, rom 1917 wels `pirvelma

damfuZnebelma krebam airCia

damfuZnebelTa sabWo”, romelSic

TerTmeti mwerali Sedioda... Semdeg

aTi adamianis gvari iyo CamoTvlili,

meTerTmeteze ki vdumdi. is grigol

robaqiZe gaxldaT. Cems bolo wignSi

`XX saukunis saqarTvelos literaturuli

cxovreba” ukve yvelaferi srulad

weria. aba, maSin, qarTvel proletmweralTa

uniWobasa da maT saqmeebze

vin damalaparakebda. am wignSi

aris, aseve, sabuTi erT-erTi proletmwerlis

Sesaxeb. igi mTavrobis nebiera

iyo, medlebi hqonda asxmuli da cxovreba

fufunebaSi galia...

_ vin iyo es adamiani?

_ konstantine lorTqifaniZe. 1937

wels, Tavi rom gadaerCina, sakuTari

megobrebi `CaZira”, Sesabamisi stenogramaa

daculi, wignSi TviTon mas

`valaparakeb”, Tavs iWris xalxis winaSe.

iqve naxavT, mis leqssac, romelic

im sabargo avtomanqanas miuZRvna,

romelsac dasaxvretad gamzadebuli

adamianebi gadahyavda! saSinelebaa!

mjera, rom arc Ceka, arc Sinsaxkomi mas

aseTi leqsis daweras ar aiZulebda, es

avtoris monuri, qveSevrdomuli

saqcieli iyo...

_ `saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiri.

1917-1982” 1983 wels gamovida. cenzuris

miuxedavad, iq sakmaod mniSvnelovani

da bevrisTvis ucnobi ambebi

iyo moTxrobili...

_ gamoqveynebuli faqtebis gamo,

zogierTma mweralma misayvedura

kidec, magram rac arqivebSi vnaxe, is

davwere. Tumca, bevr qarTvel mwerals,

Cems mier mokvleuli monacemebi,

sxvadasxva Temebze muSaobisas daexmara.

maxsovs, akaki gawereliam miTxra,

mogonebebs vwer, marTalia, movlenebi

maxsovs, magram maTi Tanmimdevroba

mereva, Seni wigni ki am mxriv Zalian

damexmarao.

mweralTa kavSiris istoriaze mu-

Saobisas, gasaocari ram aRmovaCine!

Turme, ra saSviliSvilo saqmisTvis

Seqmnila mweralTa kavSiri! saerTod,

qarTveli mwerlebi omsa Tu revoluciebSi

`mokavSires” xedavdnen. 1914

wels dawyebulma pirvelma msoflio

omma, ruseTSi revolucia moitana,

gonieri qarTvelebi mixvdnen, rom am

movlenebs SesaZloa ruseTis imperiisgan

saqarTvelos gaTavisufleba mohyoloda.

jer kidev rodis ambobda

kote afxazi: `iqneb omma, an revoluciam

mogvaniWos sruli Tavisufleba

da Tavisuflad amovisunTqoT... Cveni

piri dasavleTisken unda iyos miqceuli.

Cven unda SevqmnaT unitaruli sax-

elmwifo...” Cveni mwerlebic pirvelebi

aRmoCndnen im gonier qarTvelebs

Soris, romlebic mixvdnen, rom imperiisgan

Tavis daxsnis Sansi Cndeboda.

grigol robaqiZe werda: `qarTvel

erSi ocneba iRviZebs: vin icis xalxTa

Sexla-Semoxla ise datrialdes, rom

saqarTvelos gaTavisufleba ergunos...

Rrmavdeba Segneba qarTvelisa _

rogorc qarTvelis”.

_ 1917 wels, tician tabiZe gazeT

`saqarTveloSi” gamoqveynebuli weriliT

`Ria baraTi qarTvel mwerlebs”

robaqiZiseul ganwyobas erTgvarad

exmianeboda kidec...

_ ticiani ocdaori wlis biWi iyo,

roca es werili gamoaqveyna. igi ixsenebda

pirvel msoflio omSi samSoblos

dasacavad gamosul germanel mwerlebs.

magaliTad mohyavda, aseve,

mowinaaRmdege mxaris – antantis qveynebis

jariskacTa rigebSi Camdgari

frangi xelovanebi... Cvenc ase unda

moviqceT, yovelgvar dajgufebaze

maRla davdgeT, samSoblos dasacavad

gaverTiandeT, xalxs erTobis magaliTi

swored mwerlebma unda mivceTo,

werda ticiani. misi sityvebia – eris

suli mwerlobaSi laparakobso. `Ria

baraTSi” sityvac araa naTqvami SemoqmedebiTi

gaerTianebis profesiul

saWiroebaze, igi yvelaferze maRla

swored erovnul ideas ayenebs. maleve

Seiqmna mweralTa yrilobis momwvevi

komisia, romelsac RirsebiT gamor-

Ceuli kote mayaSvili Cauyenes saTaveSi.

igi yvelasTvis misaRebi kandidatura

iyo. 1917 wlis oqtomberSi _

jer saxelmwifos damoukidebloba

gamocxadebuli ar iyo _ mwerlebi

pirvel damfuZnebel yrilobaze Seikribnen.

kote mayaSvilma Tavis sityvaSi

kidev erTxel aRniSna gaerTianebis

aucilebloba. man Tqva: `veridneT

danawilebis, daqsaqsvis Sxams! nu SevuSindebiT

CvenSi arsebul literaturul

mimarTulebaTa sxvadasxvaobas...

mizani erTi gvaqvs. es mizani gvaer-

Tianebs Cven”. yrilobam `qarTvel mweralTa

kavSiri” daafuZna. mniSvnelovani

isaa, rom qveynis bedze zrunvam

erT samwerlobo ojaxad gaaerTiana

`cisferyanwelebi~ da `akademiuri mwerlebi”,

romlebic wmida esTetikuri

TvalsazrisiT, mkacrad akritikebdnen,

ewinaaRmdegebodnen erTmaneTs.

gana amis daviwyeba SeiZleba? ra Tqma

unda, Semdeg, mweralTa kavSiri komunisturi

reJimis presis qveS, diqtaturis

qveS moeqca. Tumca im wlebSi,

qarTvelma mwerlebma, daTmobebis miuxedavad,

bevri erovnuli saqme

akeTes. kolmeurneobasa da stalinze

dawerili leqsebis Sesaxeb ityodnen

xolme, `paravozad” unda Cavuba danarCen

leqsebso. sxvagvarad ar daube-

Wdavdnen. amis Sesaxeb bevrma ar icis.

_ Tqveni `wamebis gza” or wignad

gamoica. represirebul mweralTa

arqivebze didxans muSaobdiT da vin

icis, ramden saintereso da gauxmaurebel

masalas miakvlieT...

_ ori `gaZeZgili” saqaRalde aq

midevs. mixeil qurdiani mudam mamxnevebda,

arafris Semokleba ar gabe


27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

doo. iZulebuli viyavi Sememoklebina.

aTasi ram aris, rac wignSi ar Sevida...

zogjer, muSaobisas iseTi ram Semxvdeboda,

Cems ubedurebebs maxsenebda.

bevri masala davagrove, vinaxavdi.

Semdeg `perestroika” daiwyo da nelnela

ena amoidges... bevri mwerali

myavs gamokiTxuli. Cemi megobari aleqsandre

begaSvili `antisabWoTa propagandisTvis”

daapatimres da ocdaxuTi

weli miusajes. maxsovs, roca rames

vkiTxavdi, axlos moiweoda da Cur-

CuliT metyoda... saTqmels bolomde

mainc ver ambobda. 1993 wlidan Cemi

uaxloesi megobari gaxda mwerali

kita buaCiZe, udidesi qarTveli. 1941

wlis SeTqmulebis gamo is Svidi wliT

gadaasaxles. bevrs miambobda. iyo ase-

Ti represiagamovlili saSa sigua. 90iani

wlebis bolos gardaicvala. sikvdilamde

TxuTmeti dRiT adre mivedi

masTan, ukve Zalian mZimed iyo, veRar

sunTqavda, rom daminaxa Semomtira:

`rezo, meSinoda, bolomde mainc

ver giTxari yvelaferi”.

_ radenadac vici, represirebul

mweralTa `saqmeebi” erT xans literaturis

muzeumSi inaxeboda...

_ represirebul mwerlebze masalebis

mogroveba ukve dawyebuli mqonda

da `ConCxic” _ agebuli, rom movida

Teimuraz Juruli da miTxra: `batono

rezo, amboben represirebul mweralTa

`saqmeebi” literaturis

muzeumSi gadaitanes”... maSinve iqiT

gaveSure, qalbaton iza orjonikiZesTan

mivedi, igi literaturis muzeumis

direqtoria. ocdaaTi wlis nacnoboba

gvakavSirebda, iza mendoboda.

1991 weli idga. izam momismina da

miTxra, dagexmarebi, mxolod mweral-

Ta kavSiridan Sesabamisi mimarTva momitaneo.

mimarTva maleve mivutane. man

xelnawerTa mcvelebTan Semiyvana, baton

rezos yovelmxriv xeli SeuwyeTo.

marTlac, muzeumis arqivSi sami Tve

vimuSave. yovel dRe, dilis aTidan

oTx saaTamde magidasTan TavauReblad

vijeqi. samsaxurSi mere Tu gavivlidi

xolme. am xnis manZilze, fondSi

mxolod ori adamiani Semovida, daax-

mere kide qalis saqmeze gagebiT

laparaki vabSe me ar gamigia da maSin

xo vafSe ar gamegona. erTi vifiqre, eg

sidora muJikia da me ra vici rusebs

ra pontebi aqT meTqi, an ra unda ebazros.

imis bazris monawile rato unda

gavxde, roca ar minaxia. mara magas

exla CurTes etyvi? roc uTxra, gagigebs?

eg ubraloT ari, Zma xar da gverd-

Si damideqio geuneba.

ras etyvi? wesia, unda daudge.

ranairi Zma xar. Tu marTla namdvili

priCina ar gaq, unda daudge. anu priCina

Seni unda iyos, Seni Zmakacis ambavs,

Tu bozuri ar ari, verafriT ver daiwuneb.

Tu bozuria da raRa Zmakici

iqneba.

Zma ari da wayevi, vsio. me erTi priCina

mqonda, ro qorwili da Camoxvalo.

gulSi fiqorob ras Camoxval, mara

rogor ar wayvebi, kacs uWirs, ro

uyuref.

kide erTi ambavia, ro me ra vici es

sidora ras ityvis, me Cemi bazaris dawyoba

unda daviwyo ukve. Tan kide CeCnebia,

imaTTan gagebze laparaki da

kaibiWuri ZvelibiWuri patiosanbi-

Wuri sul uazroa, imaT Tavisi gageba

aqT da im gagebaSi Tu dauwyeb bazars,

magra unda mourtya, Tore Sen Sen gagebas

awvebi da CeCeni kide yovelTvis

Tavis gagebas awveba da bolos ra gamova,

xo ar ari salaprako.

me magra miswordeba ro exla kaci

var da Svilebi myavs da biWi aRar var.

moigoneben xolme, ro tkbil mogonebebs

gaumarjoso da yvelaferi da gaumarjos

kaneSna, mara eg tkbili mogonebebi

xo Seileba ro biWobis droin-

loebiT dRenaxevari imuSaves. imis

Tqma minda, rom is ormocdaaTi tomi,

romelic mweralTa represirebas exeboda,

srulyofilad mxolod me maqvs

damuSavebuli. 27 seqtembers `saqmeebis”

Seswavla davamTavre. zedmeti masalac

ki amovwere. vipove, aseve, mravali

`dapatimrebuli” leqsi, kerZod,

mari abramiSvilisa da Salva mWedliSvilis

mier 1943-1944 wlebSi dawerili

leqsebi. es avtorebi xelnaweri Jurnalis,

`anaTemas” gavrcelebis gamo

daapatimres... Semdeg menjSi wasvla

momixda da roca davbrundi, isev Teimuraz

Jurulisgan Sevitye, rom

`saqmeebi” literaturis muzeumidan

gaetanaT. izasTan gaviqeci. SesasvlelSive,

arqivis Zveli muSaki nino

vadaWkoria Semomxvda da macnoba, arqivi

prezident zviad gamsaxurdias

brZanebiT prezidentis rezidenciaSi

(axlandeli parlamentis Senoba) gadaetanaT

da sameurneo nawilis

gamgisTvis CaebarebinaT.

_ axla sadaa is arqivi?

_ aravin icis. saqarTvelos saxelmwifo

uSiSroebis samsaxurma

`saqmeebi” TxuTmeti wlis Semdeg moikiTxa,

Zebna daiwyes..

_ Tqveni `sabuTebi RaRadeben”

2007 wels daibeWda. igi sakmaod mdidaria

istoriuli dokumentaciiT...

_ wignSi XX saukunis saqarTvelos

mTeli ubedurebaa asaxuli. axla mas

xelaxla vabeWdineb. erTi ocneba maqvs,

minda `wamebis gzis” pirveli da meore

wignic axlidan gamovce _ erT wignad.

damatebiTi masala movipove, SeniSvnebi

gaviTvaliswine, misi moculoba

SesaZloa 800 gverdamdec ki gaizardos.

erTi adamiani gamoCnda, imeds ma-

Zlevs, dagexmarebio. Cemi bolo wignis

_ `XX saukunis saqarTvelos literaturuli

cxovreba” _ erTgvar

gagrZelebad, Sevsebad SeiZleba Cai-

Tvalos naSromi `XX saukunis

saqarTvelos literaturuli cxovrebis

mesveurni”. igi ukve akrefilia, mxolod

ramdenime foto maklia. wignSi

mxolod faqtebi ki ar iqneba warmodgenili,

aramed komentarebi, kvleva...

aka morCilaZe

legendaruli qemeras piradi

da sazogadoebrivi cxovreba

gagrZeleba

deli ar iyos, me dapuswim merendeli

ufro metkbileba, biWobis kide cariela

Saria ra da vabSe ar metkbileba.

exla prisiagis ambavi tkbilia? mere ki

kargaT viyavi, mara eg ra SuaSia. tkbili

naRdaT araferi iq ar iyo. moyu-

Cebuli ki viyavi, mara tkbili ari me

da mixaila ro fexburTs uyurebT: me

da vania lerneri ro arays vsvamT

vagonSi da kramitebs vyidiT tkbili

rogor ari.

Saria aba ra ari, belarusiis ra ici

ro midxar da iq viRaca CeCnebs unda

moaswro qalis moyvana. egec iyo, ro

CurTem ro ifiqra, etyoba ifiqra

ruseTi iciso da jaris opitis ambavSic

amomarCia. me vafSe egre uTxari,

davai biWebic wamovidenTqo,

fuls viSoviT, ra ari, wadi, wamodi.

ar undoda raRatomRac.

ar qonda naTqvami da exla erideboda.

CemTvisac ar qonda naTqvami, ro

jaris gogo colaT unda ro moiyvanos,

mara CemTan ar gautyda. xo xvdebi

rogori Zmakacobis pontia. xoda meTqi

Tamazas unda uTxra, vairanti ar

ari, ro qalaqidan gavdivar da mkvdari

Tu ar viqnebi, qorwilSi SenTan var.

egrec vqeni.

ar evasa Tamazas, ra rio, xo mSvidoba

ario. meTqi, RmerTma qnas mSvidoba

iyos da mets ver getyvi. mara sityvas

gaZlev, aqa var. saxSi arc uTxari,

meTqi CurTes raWaSi mivyvebi. ekelsiaSi

CavediT dabla, mRvdeli

Sevipire. fotografi Sevipire da

CurTec movida, bileTebio.

im brestSi aeraporti ar ario, Tu

ki ario da ar muSaobso da lvovSi CavalTo

da iqedan davawvebiT brestSio.

xaraSo, meTqi ra vici, erTi miTxra

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

81 wlisa var, vCqarob, ar minda daifantos

is, razec mTeli cxovreba vimuSave.

_ batono revaz, Tqvens bolo

wignSi galaktionze yvebiT... 1955

wlis ianvarSi igi poetebis seqciis

biuros Tavmjdomared aurCeviaT.

werT, suli da guli Caaqsova am samuSaoso...

_ rom icodeT rogori pasuxismgeblobiT

ekideboda saqmes! rogor

gaazrebulad Caatara literaturuli

saRamoebi! yovel aseT saRamos, sagangebod

daweril Sesavals waumZRvarebda

xolme. am yvelafris momswre

var! sistematurad dadioda samsaxur-

Si, axalgazrda mwerlebs esaubreboda,

sasargeblo rCeva-darigebebs

aZlevda. karada moitana, poeziis seqciis

xelmZRvanelTa oTaxSi dadga,

saqaRaldeebi sul Cawikwikebuli hqonda.

ras erCodnen, ar vici. geniosi da

amave dros bavSvi iyo! mwerali rom xar,

xom unda icode, afasebde vin gyavs!

magram, bevrs sakuTari Tavi galaktionze

meti Tu ara, naklebi ar egona!

guli mtkiva, rom mweralTa kavSiris

maSindelma xelmZRvanelobam ar izruna

galaktionis saubari, siaruli kinofirze

aRebeWdaT. moyvarulis firi

SemogvrCa mxolod...

_ Tqveni wignidanve vici, rom

galaktions ubis wignakSi aseTi ram

ewera: `mweralTa kavSirSi Svidi

ganyofilebaa... mwvervalTa kavSiri

_ gulisxmobs literaturul mwvervalebs,

isic Zalian cotani arian,

mwvervalebi; mweralTa kavSiri _

gulisxmobs mwerlebs; mweralTa kav-

Siri _ gulisxmobs aramwerlebs mweralTa

kavSirSi; gadamweralTa kav-

Siri... mimomweralTa kavSiri... CamwerelTa

kavSiri... mwerTa kavSiri. ase-

Tia saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSirSi

saqmis viTareba”... ratom axasiaTebda

ase?

_ gamwarebuli iyo! mweralTa kav-

SirSi araerTi kargi muSaki iyo, magram

bevri aRizianebda mas. `ra ambavia,

galaktion, amdeni literaturuli

saRamo?!” _ sayvedurobdnen, amad-

polSis sazRvariao, iq iyo pagraniCnikebSi

da sumka aviRe, da meuneba TbilaT

Caicvio, zamTari magaria iqo,

meTqi leningradze magari? da arao,

ar vici lenigradio, TbilaT Caicvio.

me kide yinva magra ar mevaseba, vabSe

ar gamoval gareT erTi Tve Tu yinavs.

egre vijeqi xolme feCTan jarSi.

karoCe erTi sumka unda Cavabaro-

To, monkavSiri momaqo. meTqi mogaq, ha

mogaq, me araferi ar momaq da wavediT.

abratni bileTi maq paraskevs,

oRond iasnia ro xuTSabaTs im brestidan

lvovSi unda wamovide ro

paraskevs lvovidan dilaze TbilisSi

gamovfrinde.

karoCe, iqa var marto oTxSabaTi,

egre gamodis da im erT oTxSabaTs ra

unda vqnaT, ar vici.

gavfrindiT da CaveliT lvovSi.

lvovi magaria. esesers ar gavda pribaltikis

pontSi. pribaltikaSi ro

viyaviT xolme zborze, an turnirze,

esesers ar gavda. es lvovic egrea. vagzali

rame da davjeqiT matarebelSi

da davai brestSi da CurTe meuneba,

vagzalSi ro CavalT, iqedan unda

davrekoT da sidora movao, sidora

misnkidan Camovao.

mTeli pontebia nelnela ro vigef

da CavediT.

karoCe, Tovlia da paxodu Tovli

modis rogorc wyali modis.

paJarni Slangi xo ici, ai iqedan ro

wyali modis xolme. ai, egeT pontSi ro

modiodes Slangidan wyali da Tan

Tovli. karoCe peronze gamovedi da

ukve dabredli var, fexebi egreve

damisvleda da meTqi davai zalaSi SevideT

da Sedi Senao, me telefons vipovio.

wavida da me Sevedi, viRaca

roJebi arian iq ZinavT skamebze da

davjeqi, meTqi vax CurTe, CurTe, msoflioSi

egeTi Zmakacoba sxvagan sadme

ari?

movida CurTe da daurekeo da ama-

Ram wamova manqaniT da sanam gaTende-

interviu

11

lidnen. galaktioni grZnobda misdami

damokidebulebas. grZnobda, Tu vin

rogor iyo ganwyobili mis mimarT.

deidaCemi anagis quCis kuTxeSi cxovrobda,

misi saxli zed miwaze idga.

Tavs iwonebda xolme, Cemi disSvili

`dom pisateleiSi” muSaobso. erTxel

mTxova, galaktioni moiyvaneo. deida-

Cemis Txovna rom gadaveci, ar iuara,

mixvda, rom masTan gulwrfeli viyavi

da gamomyva. im qoxSi miviyvaneT galaktioni!...

_ Tanamedrove mweralTa kav-

Sirze ras gvetyviT?

_ konstantine gamsaxurdia Tanamedrove

Temebze weras Tavs aridebda

da ambobda, movlenebs droSi unda

davcildeT, rom sworad SevafasoTo.

es sityvebi, Cems bolo wignSi, Tanamedrove

mweralTa kavSirze saubrisas

gamoviyene, vwer: `axlandel mweral-

Ta kavSiris xelmZRvanelobas Tavisi

moRvaweoba jer ar dausrulebia... amitom

maTi saqmianobis Sefaseba momavali

Taobis literatorTa da istorikosTaTvis

mimindia”.

esaubra Tamar Juruli

ba aq ario. xaraSo meTqi, exla ras vSvebiT

da ravio, wavideT erTgano, toCka

maq aqao da wavediT. ris taqsi, ra

taqsi, trolebusi CiTavs, garedan

yinulebi aq. SigniT dasadgomic Zlivas

ari da vafSe yvela mTvralia, me

xo ici sunebze egreve azze var, eg

sunebi ari ro manervozebs. liuboi

mTvralia da es trolebusi micuravs.

kinoSi roa, egeTia zustaT.

karoCe gamovediT iqedan da korpusebia

da bnela. da pontia xeli ro

amoiRo an sigareti mowio, an ravi ra,

vabSe, yurebi aRara maq.

gaviCiTeT padiezdSi. da mivdvarT

sarTul sarTul. eg ar ario, CurTem,

korpusi ameriao. kide sxvagan gaviCiTeT.

ver vagnebT itogSi.

CurTes kide Turme orkapikianebi

aq momaragebuli ro telefonze kargaT

rekos. wamodio, iqiT ari avtomatio.

viareT karoCe, aqedan da axlo ki

iyo, mara yinavs, Ramea da Tovlia da

avtomatis butka dgas da Sig gogo da

biWi zasaoben.

Sari ra.

sxva qveyanaa, ras etyvi.

gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi


12 interviu

mwerali beso xvedeliZe:

_ meored vxvdebiT erTmaneTs.

pirvelad wlebis winaT gazeT “Cven

mwerlobaSi” Sedga Cveni dialogi.

mas Semdeg didi dro gavida. amasoba-

Si Sens Semoqmedebas araerTi axali

nawarmoebi Seemata: romanebi, moTxrobebi,

novelebi. rogor ganviTarda

SemoqmedebiTi gza pirveli

wignidan dRemde?

_ kargad maxsovs is pirveli dialogic

(Tu ar vcdebi 2002-Si Sedga),

da guli migrZnobs, arc es iqneba ukanaskneli.

imis mere marTlac bevrma

wyalma Caiara.

pirvel wigns meore mohyva _ (leqsebis

krebuli “medlis iqiTa mxare” –

madi serebriakovasTan erTad).

Semdeg iyo wigni _ “jado” (moTxrobebi).

mere “lbili sevdis deda (S)” (kinopoema).

Semdeg gamovida “ZaRluri cxovreba”

(moTxrobebi).

mere iyo “gafrindinela” (mikroromani)

– ambavi ucxo qalaqad tualetSi

samudamod Caketil kacze.

Semdeg gamoca “ixvis tolma” (foto-romani

maka miqelaZesTan erTad),

mere iyo “uzarmazari bazari” (romani).

mere _ “estafeta” (moTxrobebi),

da ager wels _ “Tagvis gemo”

(moTxrobebi).

davamrgvale, rasac qvia – anu melnis

am gauTavebel xarjvasa da kompiuteris

klaviaturis cveTaSi, gareT

alag mitingur mSvidobebsa da

xSirad omebSi meaTe wignamdec momiRwevia.

ramdenime literaturuli premiac

mergo. araferi iseTi gansakuTrebuli

SegrZneba araa...

cxovreba mainc Cveulebrivad gr-

Zeldeba. yovel SemTxvevaSi – imdenad

sainteresod mainc, rom yoveldRe

wera-kiTxvis gunebaze viyo. ukve migrovdeba

nel-nela Semdegi wignisTvis

masala. male axali romani iqneba, mere

isev axal moTxrobebis krebulamde

mivalT da egre...

_ romani ”ixvis tolma” maka

miqelaZesTan erTad Seiqmna. gaamarTla

Tu ara “literaturul-fotografiulma

eqsperimentma”?

_ Zalauneburad maxsendeba erT

wignze minaweri: “rogorc wesi, nebismieri

kargi mwerali Tavisi ideebiT,

azrebiT, SexedulebebiT Tu daskvnebiT

aTwleulebiT uswrebs xolme

mkiTxvels da es ukve lamis aqsiomasaviTaa.

ra Tqma unda, arian mkiTxveleb-

Si iSviaTi gamonaklisebi, romelTa Sinagani

mzaoba sakmaod maRalia, Tumca

es mainc iSviaTi, niWieri gamonaTebebia...

ubralod, karg mwerals Zalian

bevr rameze uwevs fiqri, CaRrmaveba,

wvdoma, pasuxebis Zieba... Sesabamisad,

sakuTari Sinagani simaRlidan Tu sulieri

gadmosaxedidan wers teqts,

romelic Cveulebrivi, rigiTi obivatelisTvis

im momentSi Cinurivi-

Taa... anu rogorc skolis pirveli

klasis mowafe verafers gaugebs

umaRles maTematikas, asevea ZiriTad

SemTxvevaSi namdvil literaturaSi.

amitomaa, yvela karg wigns minimum

orjer wakiTxva mainc rom sWirdeba.”

Zalian gvindoda, `ixvis tolmac”

rom es kategoria gamosuliyo – ai,

iseTi, rom Tu ginda daewio da kargad

Cawvde, aucileblad ramdenjerme

unda miubrunde.

viRac metyvis albaT, sadRaa magis

droo da sadRac marTalic iqneba.

ise, ra didi bWoba imas unda, rom

mkiTxvelica da droc mniSvnelovnad

gaiafda _ ager saqarTveloSi Turme

weliwadSi saSualod 300 kaci (qalic)

kiTxulobs wigns. isedac sasacilo

cifria da nel-nela kidev Tu CamovalT

qvemoT, maSin savaraudod, wignis

kiTxvasTan mimarTebaSi gadaSenebadi

erebis siaSi unda Segvitanon albaT.

araa mgoni sanugeSo daskvna.

kargi wignis karg mkiTxvelobas ki

elementaruli Sinagani mzaoba, informaciuloba,

ganaTleba Wirdeba

da, ra Tqma unda, Tavisufali droc.

sabednierod, rogorc mkiTxvelsac eg

dro maqvs, da amaswinaT kidev erTxel

gadavfurcle eg wigni (is 2005 wels

daiwera). me TviTon gamikvirda –

nametani kai gviwvalia da gviSromia

mec da Tanaavtors, Tanac harmoniulad...

_ bevri nawarmoebi vici, TanaavtorobiT

rom Seiqmna, es tradicia

dRemde grZeldeba. ramdenad Tavisufalia

mwerali TanaSemoqmedebisas?

_ gaaCnia ra Sinagani wonisa da

zomis gyavs mewyvile. maka miqelaZis

SemTxvevaSi aSkarad gamimarTla. Tumca,

meored albaT mainc aRar gavriskav.

Zalian bevri energia da zedmeti

emocia miaqvs. Semdgom sareabilitaco

periods xom – miT umetes... angari-

Sis gawevac orive mxridan Zalauneburad

aucilebeli da saWiro ramaa

konkretuli formisa da Sinaarsis wignis

misaRebad. sxvanairad araferi

gamodis. alTa-balTaoba am saqmeSi

ubralod sul sxvagan wagviyvanda.

mokled, raRacnairad movaxerxeT

_ ilfisa da petrovisgan mkveTrad

gansxvavebuli midgomebiT erTi saer-

To nawarmoebis dawera. rac mTavaria,

werisas ar gvidavia, unda mogvekla Tu

ara mTavari personaJi. da ar gvidavia

TiTqmis araferze, anu yvelaferSi Sinaganad

SeTanxmebulebi viyaviT da

orivem vicodiT, ra Sedegi dagvakmayofilebda.

guram wibaxaSvilis foto-arqivic

Zalian zustad moergo teqsts. danar-

Cens droTa ganmavlobaSi mkiTxveli da

isev dro mixedavs...

_ markesi werda: “arasodes momsvlia

azrad, da verc iseTi ramis Seqmna

SevZeli, rac realobaze ufro

gansacvifrebeli iqneboda”. gamakvirva

markesis aseTma mosazrebam

sakuTar Semoqmedebaze. ras fiqrob,

ra SeiZleba iyos nawarmoebSi realobaze

ufro gansacvifrebeli?!

_ albaT, mainc upirveles yovlisa

is, rac SeiZleboda Tavisuflad momxdariyo,

magram bedis ironiiT Tu Rv-

Tis wyalobiT gadaurCa realobaSi

aRsrulebas Tu axdenas; samagierod,

konkretuli nawarmoebis saxiT da

konkretuli avtoris xeliT Seekra

maradiulobas.

bevri egeTi kargi wignis CamoTvla

SeiZleba...

me Cemi egeTi wignebi maqvs – romlebsac

xSirad vubrundebi. isev gadakiTxva,

gamowvevebi...

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

literaturuli gazeTi 27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

`mTavaria, siyalbe ar Jonavdes teqstidan~

ramden karg mwerals miucia sxvisTvis

biZgi ufro metze dasafiqreblad,

ufro kargis dasawerad, vin

moTvlis...

_ Seni moTxrobebi ufro xSirad

realur ambebzea agebuli Tu gamonagonze?

mwerlis Semoqmedeba xom

realurisa da irealuris monacvleobaa,

tragediisa da groteskis sin-

Tezia, sadac arc Tu iSviaTad ibadeba

absurdis esTetika.

_ realuri ambebi aqeT-iqiT mgoni

ufro Jurnalistebs daaqvT (rom ager

aq, am dros, es ase moxda da es ase). mand

kai xania aRar var (miuxedavad Jurnalistis

ganaTlebisa) da zustadac

rom vwer (da mewerineba) CemTvis gacilebiT

misaRebi da saintereso rakursidan

imaze, rac SeiZleba momxdariyo,

moxdes, moxdeba (guSin, dRes, xval...) –

da rac realobaze bevrad ufro

sagulisxmod mimaCnia.

mag teritoriebze CemTvis meti

haeri da Tavisuflebaa, magram mandac

didi sifrTxilea xolme saWiro, rom

ar gadaamlaSo-gadaatkbilo, da iyo

ubralod ueWveli da damajerebeli.

ise, mainc yvelas (mweralsac da

mkiTxvelsac) Tavisi gza da orientirebi

aqvs, da Cemi pozicia ubralod

mxolod Cemi poziciaa da nebismiers

SeuZlia sul sxva yaidis literaturisken

iyos.

_ karga xania slengi damkvidrda

qarTul mwerlobaSi, ara mxolod

prozaSi, aramed poeziaSic. Seni

prozisTvis ucxo ar aris barbarizmebi,

slengis ena, rac TavisTavad,

im personaJebis enaa, romelsac Sen

hqmni. ras fiqrob, zogjer, TviTmiznurad

xom ar xdeba enis “gadavseba”

barbarizmebiT?

_ droul da zust slengs ra jobs,

Tuki teqstSi da konkretul momentSi

Tavs amarTlebs da aTianSi urtyams.

CemTvis mTavaria, siyalbe ar Jonavdes

teqstidan da personaJTa piridan,

Torem danarCeni advilad asatania

_ yuriT moTreul “geTayvas”, isev

zusti “Se Cema” mirCevnia. am mxriv, sakmaod

hyavs dRevandel qarTul literaturasac

“ostatebi”, magram mainc

mgonia, rom gaSmageba da gadareva egeT

momentebze ar Rirs. ubralod, yalbad

da uniWod daweril wignsac xom Tavisi

Sesabamisi gemovnebis da donis

mkiTxveli elodeba.

sadaa sxvagan sxvanairad – zogs

braziliuri seriali yofnis Sinagani

bakis Sesavsebad, da zogic jim jarmuSsa

da lars fon trierze naklebze

“plankas” ar wevs...

_ radgan slengze CamovagdeT sityva,

erTi mniSvnelovani niuansic

minda Segaxseno, rac TavisTavad

metyvelebs im socialur-politikur

garemoze, saqarTveloSi rom batonobda

ama Tu im dros. aq yuradRebas

gavamaxvileb slengis warmomavlobis

siWreleze. rusul barbarizmebTan

erTad fexs ikidebs, da

Tan aqtiurad, inglisurenovani sityvebi.

es enobrivi siWrele Cawnexili

qarTul enaSi, qmnis Tu ara axal

enobriv sivrces, romelic gvaCvenebs

sxvaobas Taobebs Soris?

_ erTi ram xom faqtia: qarTuli

ena amdeni xania mainc qarTul enad

rCeba da es CemTvis erTmniSvnelovnad

mis siZliereze metyvelebs.

yovelmxriv Zalian moqnili qarTuli

zmna ukve imis winapirobaa, rom nebismier

gare Semotevas ena kidev usasrulod

gauZlebs da isev umtkivneulod

moinelebs, rogorc aqamde xdeboda.

metyvelebisas albaT verc aicilebs

da SeiZleba xSiradac dascdes

adamians msgavsi enobrivi bacilebi,

magram vfiqrob am dros ena mainc

ufro iwrToba, vidre ukan midis. es me

enisaTvis erTgvar gamosacdel da

gasavarjiSebel etapad ufro mimaCnia

(axali sisxlis gadasxma davarqvaT) –

vidre procesad, romelmac SeiZleba

rame avnos qarTul enas.

_ ama Tu im klasikuri nawarmoebis

interpretireba farTodaa gavrcelebuli

postmodernul literaturaSi.

interpretaciam kargaxania

moikida fexi kulturologiur teqstebSi,

roca avtorebi arsebul

nawarmoebs ki ar Seafaseben an mimoixilaven,

aramed agrZeleben cnobili

teqstis Tavisufal interpretirebas,

gardaTqmas. ras ityvi saer-

Tod postmodernizmze, kerZod ki

qarTul postmodernze?

_ martivad rom vTqva _ gamomdinare

iqidan, rom viTvaliswineb ra

Cems fesvebs, anu im literaturul

gamocdilebas da memkvidreobas,

romelzec vdgavar – anu rogorc

talRa imeorebs qafs qvebze, mec mudmivad

(v)inter(v)pretireb warsulidan

awmyoSi datovebuli Zafis gorgaliT

(iyos teqstebiT, wignebiT, ambebiT).

masala da sivrce erTi, Ria da xelmisawvdomia.

rCeba gakvalulze

ufro martivad da genialurad gavlis

cduneba da paralelurad gaukvalavis

kvalva Semdegi mgzavrisTvis.

“wyarodan Wiqas nu wamoiReb” gamaxsenda

uneburad.

mokled rom vTqva – Zalian Znelia

absoluturad yvelafrisgan mowyvetili,

hermetuli siaxlis dadeba.

ucxo planetaze Tu gamitaces – ai, ma-

Sin ki momiwevs albaT did xaTabalaSi

gabma. xolo Cveni aseTi cxovreba

rogorc dasabamidan iZleva Sablonebs,

iseve devs ukve maradiul Sablonad

prozaSi, rom rac ar unda

weros avtorma - sam kalapots ver gascdeba,

anu sul sami ambavi iwerebao:

saxlidan wasvlaze, ukan dabrunebaze

da msxverplSewirvaze. am Wrilidan Tu

SevxedavT – mTeli qarTuli mxatvruli

literatura gaucnobierebeli Tu

qvecnobieri post-modernia.

_ xSirad ismis kiTxva, arsebobs

Tu ara Tanamedrove literaturuli

kritika. ras fiqrob, rogori unda

iyos, ufro sworad, rogori ginda,

rom iyos Tanamedrove literaturuli

kritika?

_ mgoni ukve iqamde varT misulebi,

rom nebismieri donis da kalibris

teqstis yvelaze obieqturi kritika

Tavad imave teqstis avtors Tu gamouva

yvelaze zustad da ukeT.

ar vici yofila Tu ara msgavsi

mcdelobebi saqarTveloSi – raRac

msgavsze vfiqrob da vnaxoT, ra gamomiva.

ise, mgoni, Zalian saintereso da

saxaliso wasakiTxi iqneboda gio axvledianis

kritikul-analitikuri werili

aka morCilaZis Semoqmedebis

Sesaxeb, aseve zaza burWulaZem, daviT

qarTveliSvilma, laSa buRaZem rom

Cautaron sakuTar teqstbs es saxaliso

Tu seriozuli “autodafe”.

es prozaikosebi dRes Cems TaobaSi

CemTvis yvelaze saintereso moqmedi

da ukve Semdgari avtorebi arian. mgoni,

amden laparakSi ager saintereso

proeqtis ideac gamocxva.

vinmes Tu daainteresebs – gadmorekos.

_ ra SekiTxvas dausvamdi saku-

Tar Tavs?

_ seriozuli SekiTxvebi am bolo

periodSi naklebad mawuxebs. ufro isev

aseTebi, Tumc ki mainc deficiturebi:

- `romelman Seqmna samyaro...~

- `netav sad aris kidev ca?”

- `vinaa damnaSave?”

- „saqme gamogelia, besojan?..“ _ da

ase Semdeg...

esaubra xaTuna alxaziSvili


27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

1956 wlis noemberSi, axali ambebis

ungreTis saagentos direqtorma,

cota xniT adre, vidre saartilerio

cecxli mis ofiss miwasTan gaasworebda,

mTel msoflios gaugzavna sasowarkveTili

Setyobineba _ depeSa,

romelic budapeStSi rusebis SeWras

iuwyeboda. teqsti mTavrdeboda sityvebiT:

"Cven davixocebiT ungreTisa

da evropisTvis".

ras niSnavda es fraza? igi uciloblad

niSnavda, rom rusuli tankebi

emuqrebodnen ungreTsa da TviT evropas.

magram ras gulisxmobda es muqara?

rusuli tankebi evropis

sazRvris gavliT evropaSi SeWras

apirebdnen? ara. axali ambebis ungre-

Tis saagentos direqtori gulisxmobda,

rom ungreTze TavdasxmiT

rusebi evropasac utevdnen. igi mzad

iyo sasikvdilod, oRond ungreTi

darCeniliyo ungreTad da evropis

nawilad.

am frazis azri dRes TiTqos gavigeT,

magram igi mainc dagvafiqrebs.

sinamdvileSi safrangeTSic, amerika-

Sic miaCniaT, rom SeWrisas sasworze

daido politikuri reJimis arseboba

da ara ungreTis an evropis arseboba.

amerikasa da safrangeTSi aravis egona,

rom es ungreTs, rogorc qveyanas

emuqreba da saerTod veravin gaigo,

ratom mimarTa evropas ungrelma,

romelic sikvdils Tvals usworebda.

roca solJenicini komunisturi

Cagvris winaaRmdeg gamovida, gana

evropas mouwoda, rogorc fundamenturi

faseulobis matarebels? ara.

"sikvdili sakuTari qveynisa da evropisTvis"

_ moskovsa da leningradSi

aseTi ram aravis mouva azrad; magram

budapeStsa Tu varSavaSi swored ase

ifiqreben.

* * *

ras niSnavs evropa ungrelisTvis,

CexisTvis, polonelisTvis? aTaswleulebis

ganmavlobaSi es qveynebi iyo

nawili evropisa, romlis saZirkveli

gaxda romauli qristianoba. maszea

mijaWvuli am xalxebis istoria. maT-

Tvis sityva "evropa" geografia ki ar

aris, aramed sulierebis sferoa da

sityva "dasavleTis" sinonimia. im momentSi,

roca ungreTi aRar aris evropis

nawili, igi aRarc dasavleTis nawilia,

maSasadame sakuTar istorias da

bedisweras, sakuTar arss hkargavs.

"geografiuli evropa" (romelic

atlantikidan uralamdea gadaWimuli)

yovelTvis or nawilad iyofoda,

TiToeuli maTgani damoukideblad

viTardeboda: erTi ganuyoflad ukav-

Sirdeboda antikur romsa da kaTolikur

eklesias, meore _ bizantiasa

da marTlmadidebel eklesias eyrdnoboda.

1945 wlis Semdeg am or evropas

Soris sazRvarma ramdenime aseuli

kilometriT gadaiwia dasavle-

TiT, da erT mSvenier dilas ramdenime

erma, yovelTvis dasavleTad rom

miiCnevdnen Tavs, aRmoaCines, rom

axla aRmosavleTSi iyvnen.

amis Sedegad, omis mere viTareba

sxvadasxvagavarad Camoyalibda evropis

sam nawilSi: dasavleTSi, aRmosavleTSi

da _ yvelaze mZafrad _ im

nawilSi, romelic geografiulad

centrSia da romlis kulturac dasavleTis

kuTvnilebaa, politikuri

reJimi ki _ aRmosavleTisa.

winaaRmdegobrioba evropisa, romelsac

centralurs vuwodeb, gvexmareba,

gavigoT, ratom iyo aq Tavmoyrili

bolo ocdaTxuTmeti wlis

yvelaze dramatuli evropuli movlenebi:

1956 wels ungreTis didi ajanyeba

da amas moyolili sisxlisRvra;

praRis gazafxuli da Cexoslovakiis

okupacia 1968 wels; ajanyebebi poloneTSi

1956, 1968, 1970 wels da sul cota

xnis win. Tavisi dramatizmiTa da istoriuli

gavleniT "geografiuli"

(dasavleTi Tu aRmosavleTi) evropis

verc erTi movlena ver Seedreba centraluri

evropis ajanyebebs. Ti-

Toeul maTgans TiTqmis uklebliv

milan kundera

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

moparuli dasavleTi anu

centraluri evropis tragedia

uWerda mxars mTeli mosaxleoba, da

verc erTi reJimi sam saaTsac ki ver

gaZlebda rusebis dauxmareblad.

droa, SevignoT: is, rac praRasa da var-

SavaSi xdeba, safuZvelSive ar aris aRmosavleT

evropis, sabWoTa blokis an

komunizmis drama; esaa dasavleTis

drama _ dasavleTs emuqrebian, aviwroveben,

tvins ulayeben, is ki jiutad

icavs Tavis arss.

eris an civilizaciis TviTSegneba

Tavmoyrilia imaSi, rasac "kulturas"

vuZaxiT. da Tu am TviTSegnebas gaqroba

emuqreba, kulturuli cxovrebis

intensivoba Sesabamisad izrdeba, mas

sul ufro da ufro meti mniSvneloba

eniWeba, sanam kultura cxovrebiseulad

aucilebel faseulobad ar iqceva.

ai, ratomaa, rom yoveli centralurevropuli

ajanyebis dros kulturuli

tradicia da TanamedroveTa

Semoqmedeba uzarmazar da gadamwyvet

mniSvnelobas iZens _ gacilebiT mets,

vidre sxva masobrivi ajanyebebisas

evropaSi.

swored ungrelma mwerlebma (TavianT

jgufs romantikosi poetis Sandor

petefis saxeli rom daarqves), daiwyes

reJimis mZafri kritika da moamzades

1956 wlis afeTqeba. 1968 wlis winaperiodSi

swored Teatris, kinos, literaturisa

da filosofiis gavlenam

moitana praRis gazafxuli. swored

didi poloneli poetis adam mickevi-

Cis piesis akrZalvam gamoiwvia poloneli

studentebis cnobili ajanyeba

1968 wels. kulturisa da cxovrebis,

Semoqmedebisa da saxalxo moZraobis am

bednierma kavSirma mianiWa centralurevropis

ajanyebebs ganumeorebeli

momajadoebloba, romelic mudam xiblavda

imaT, vinc im dros moeswro.

* * *

SeiZleba, miTxran, vaRiarebT, rom

centralurevropuli qveynebi namdvilad

icavdnen sakuTar identurobas,

romelsac safrTxe emuqreboda, magram

marto egeni ar iyvnen am dReSio, ruseTic

imave mdgomareobaSia. masac SeuZlia

TviTmyofadobis dakargvao. ar vdaob,

erebs ruseTi ki ara, komunizmi arTmevs

arss, saxes da rus xalxs Tavis pirvel

msxverplad aqcevs. rusuli ena sabWo-

Ta imperiis sxva erebis enebs imitom ki

ar axrCobs, rom rusebs sxvebis "rusifikacia"

undaT, aramed imitom, rom

sabWoTa biurokratias _ Rrmad aranacionalurs,

antinacionalurs, nacionaluris

miRma darCenils _ qveynis

unifikaciisTvis iaraRi sWirdeba.

mesmis es logika. mesmis rusebis Si-

Sic, rom maT sayvareli samSoblo Sei-

Zleba, vinmes sazizRar komunizmSi

aerios.

magram aucilebelia, gaugo polonelebsac,

visi samSobloc, Tu ar CavTvliT

mokle periods or msoflio oms

Soris, ori saukunis ganmavlobaSi hyavda

damonebuli ruseTs, da jiutad da

daundoblad ganicdida "rusifikacias"

_ zewolas garusebis mizniT.

centralur evropaSi, dasavleTis

aRmosavleT mijnaze marto polonelebi

ki ara, yvela gansakuTrebiT mgrZnobiarea

rusuli Zlierebidan momavali

muqarisadmi. frantiSek palackim,

gamoCenilma istorikosma da XIX saukunis

CexeTis politikuri wris tipiurma

warmomadgenelma, 1848 wels frankfurtis

revoluciur parlaments miswera

werili, romelic farTod gaxmaurda.

palacki habsburgTa imperiis xangrZliv

arsebobas amarTlebda, vinaidan

es iyo erTaderTi fari ruseTisgan

"derJavisgan, romelmac Cvens epoqaSi

ukve miaRwia sazarel Zlierebas, kidev

ufro ikrebs Zalas da dauZleveli xdeba

nebismieri evropuli saxelmwifos-

Tvis."

palacki gvafrTxilebda: ruseTs

unda, rom gaxdes "msoflio monarqia",

igi msoflios batonobas eswrafvis.

"rusuli msoflio monarqia, _ werda

palacki, _ gigantur, warmoudgenel

katastrofad, ganuzomel, usazRvro

ubedurebad iqceva."

centraluri evropa, palackis

azriT, unda iqces Tanasworuflebiani

xalxebis ojaxad. TiToeuli maTgani

pativs scems danarCenebs, Zlieri

saxelmwifo mfarvelobs da SeuZlia,

Tavisi individualobis ganviTareba.

es ocneba bolomde arasodes ganxorcielebula

da kvlavindeburad

mZlavria da mimzidveli. centraluri

evropa yovelTvis cdilobda, Tavis

mcire teritoriaze daetia kulturaTa

iseTive mravalgvaroba, rogoric

Tavmoyrilia mTel evropaSi; qceuliyo

zeevropul evropad, mis Semcirebul

aslad, romelic daefuZneboda

erTaderT wess _ maqsimaluri mravalferovneba

minimalur sivrceze.

rogor ar SeZrwundeboda ruseTis

Semxedvare, romelic emyareba sruliad

sapirispiro princips _ minimaluri

mravalferovneba maqsimalur sivrceze?

mravalferovnebis moyvaruli centraluri

evropisTvis ra SeiZleboda

yofiliyo ufro ucxo, vidre ruseTi:

monoliTuri, centralizebuli, qveyana,

romelic miznad isaxavs imperiaSi

Semavali yvela eris (ukrainelebis,

belorusebis, somxebis, latvielebis

da sxvebis) gadaqcevas erT rus xalxad

(an rogorc sayovelTaod miRebuli

enobrivi mistifikaciebis epoqaSi

ityvian "erTian sabWoTa xalxad").

da mainc: komunizmi ruseTis istoriis

uaryofaa Tu misi ganxorcieleba?

ueWvelad, misi uaryofacaa

(magaliTad, rusuli religiurobis

uaryofa) da ganxorcielebac (centralizmisken

mswrafveli tendenciebisa

da imperiuli survilebis ganxorcieleba).

ruseTSi upiratesad pirvel

aspeqts amCneven _ tradiciis wyvetas.

damonebul qveynebSi miiCneven, rom

ufro mniSvnelovania meore _ komunizmis

memkvidreobiToba.

* * *

metismeti kategoriuloba xom ar

gamoviCine ruseTisa da dasavluri

civilizaciis dapirispirebisas? gana

evropa, Tundac aRmosavleTad da

dasavleTad gayofili evropa Zveleburad

erTi mTlianoba, antikuri saberZneTisa

da iudaistur-qristianuli

filosofiis memkvidre ar aris?

rasakvirvelia. metsac getyviT,

mTeli mecxramete saukunis ganmavlobaSi,

evropiT moxibluli ruseTi misken

miiwevda. evropisTvisac mimzidveli

iyo ruseTi. rilke amtkicebda, ruseTi

Cemi sulieri samSobloao, yvelam

ganicada gavlena rusuli romanebisa,

romlebic saerToevropuli kulturuli

memkvidreobis ganuyofeli nawilia.

yvelaferi asea. ori evropis maSindeli

daaxloeba mSvenieri, dauviwyari

mogonebaa. magram isic simarTlea, rom

komunizmma ruseTSi Zveli, antidasavluri

fobiebi gaaRviZa da uxeSad mimarTa

evropis winaaRmdeg.

magram Cemi gansjis sagani ar aris

ruseTi, specialuri codna ar gamaCnia

da meSinia, mis ukidegano problemebSi

ar Cavikargo. mxolod is minda,

rom kidev erTxel xazgasmiT vTqva:

ruseTi ubralod erT-erTi evropuli

derJava ki ar aris, aramed dasavle-

Tis aRmosavleT mijnaze mdgari gansakuTrebuli

civilizaciaa, sxva civilizacia.

Targmani

13

Ceslav miloSi wignSi "mSobliuri

evropa" wers: XVI da XVII saukuneebSi

polonelebi rusebs eomebodnen "gawelili

sazRvris gaswvriv. Tavad rusebi

maincdamainc aravis ainteresebda...

am omisas polonelebs mxolod sicariele

daxvdaT, da esaa mizezi, rom

polonelebis warmodgeniT, ruseTi

"sadRac iqiTaa" _ samyaros miRma."

kazimir brandisi "varSavul dRiurSi"

erTi poloneli mwerlis ana axmatovasTan

Sexvedris ambavs hyveba.

polonelma daiCivla, yvela Cemi

nawarmoebi akrZaluliao.

_ cixeSi ijeqiT? _ Seawyvetina

axmatovam.

_ ara.

_ mweralTa kavSiridan mainc gagricxavdnen.

_ ara.

axmatovas gulwrfelad gaukvirda:

_ aba, raRa gawuwunebT?

brandisi SeniSnavs:

"WeSmaritad rusuli nugeSia. veRaraferi

SezaravT mas mere, rac

ruseTs daemarTa. magram es saCveno

logika ar aris. Cven ruseTis beds

aRviqvamT, rogorc raRac ucxos, Cven

rom ar gvexeba, amaze Cven ar vagebT

pasuxs. gvTrgunavs, magram Cven sxva

xvedri gvaqvs. igive SemiZlia vTqva

rusul literaturazec. maSinebs. axlac

ki Tavzars mcems gogolis zogierTi

nawarmoebi da yvelaferi, rac

saltikov-SCedrins dauweria.

mirCevnia, magaT samyaroze araferi

vicode, arc ki vicode misi arseboba."

brandisis msjeloba, rasakvirvelia,

gogolis mniSvnelobas ki ar uaryofs,

aramed saqveynod acxadebs misi

prozis furclebidan aRmarTul

saSinelebas. es samyaro _ Tu sakmaod

Soridan SehyurebT _ gvizidavs da

gvxiblavs, magram rogorc ki SigniT

aRmovCndebiT, maSinve vxvdebiT, ramdenad

ucxoa is CvenTvis. ar vici, es

samyaro Cvensaze uaresia Tu ara, magram

sxvanairi namdvilad aris: ruseT-

Si katastrofebis sxva (ufro didi)

masStabia, sivrcis sxva saxea (iseTi

uzarmazari, rom Sig mTeli erebi

ikargeba), drois sxva SegrZneba (neli

da moTminebiT aRsavse), sicilis, cxovrebis,

sikvdilis sxva manera.

ai, ratom ician centraluri evropis

qveynebma: is, rac 1945 wlis Semdeg

daemarTaT, ubralod politikuri

katastrofa ki ar aris, esaa Seteva maT

civilizaciaze. maTi winaaRmdegobis

siRrmiseuli azria brZola sakuTari

arsis SesanarCuneblad, sxva sityvebiT

rom vTqvaT, dasavleTisTvis Tavisi

kuTvnilebisTvis.

* * *

araviTari iluzia ar darCenila

ruseTis satelit qveynebSi politikuri

reJimebis Taobaze. magram gvaviwydeba

maTi tragedia: isini gahqrnen

dasavleTis politikuri rukidan.

ratom darCa SeumCneveli maTi

gaqroba? Cveni azriT, mizezi TviT centralur

evropaSia. polonelebs, Cexebs,

slovakebs, ungrelebs boboqari da


14 Targmani

qaoturi istoria hqondaT. saxelmwifoebriobis

tradicia maTTan ufro

susti da meryevi iyo, vidre did evropul

qveynebSi. ruseTsa da germanias

Soris CaWyletili centraluri evropis

qveynebma mTeli energia gadarCenisTvis

brZolasa da mSobliuri enis

SenarCunebas moaxmares. isini srulad

arasodes CarTulan evropis TviTSegnebaSi

da dasavleTis naklebad cnobil

da meryev nawilad rCebodnen, Tan

sakuTari ucnauri, Znelad gasagebi

enebis fardis miRma.

avstriul imperias unikaluri Sesa-

Zlebloba hqonda, centraluri evropisgan

erTiani, Zlieri saxelmwifo

Camoeyalibebina. magram samwuxarod,

maRalSublianma germanulma nacionalizmma

avstrielebs ar daaneba maTi

centralurevropuli misiis Sesruleba.

maT ver SesZles Tanaswor erTa

federaciis Seqmna da es marcxi mTeli

evropisTvis ubedurebad iqca. Tavian-

Ti mdgomareobiT ukmayofilo centraluri

evropis xalxebma 1918 wels

imperia Signidan aafeTqes, ar esmodaT,

rom imperia cudi iyo, magram

Casanacvlebeli araferi hqondaT.

pirveli msoflio omis Semdeg centraluri

evropa daiSala patar-patara,

sust saxelmwifoebad, romelTa

uRonobam SesaZlebeli gaxada jer

hitleris mier maTi dapyroba, Semdeg

stalinis triumfi. albaT am ambebis

xsovna aiZulebs evropelebs, rom centraluri

evropas uyuron, rogorc

katastrofebis wyaros.

Tumca, gulaxdilad giTxraT, ise-

Ti grZnoba maqvs, rom centraluri

evropis Secdoma "slavuri samyaros

ideologiiTaa gamowveuli." sagangebod

viyeneb sityvas "ideologia", radgan

yovelive es XIX sukuneSi Cafiqrebuli

politikuri mistifikaciis nawilia.

Cexebs (TavianTi elitis gafrTxilebebis

miuxedavad) moswondaT "slavuri

ideologiis" bavSvurad friali,

egonaT, rom es daicavdaT germanuli

agresiisgan. rusebma ki siamovnebiT

gamoiyenes igi sakuTari imperiuli

gegmebis gasamarTleblad. "rusebi yvelafers

rusuls slavurs arqmeven,

raTa mere yvelafer slavurs rusuli

daarqvan", _ ase afrTxilebda 1844

wels didi Cexi mwerali karel gavliCeki

Tanamemamuleebs ruseTiT briyvuli

aRtacebis xifaTis Taobaze. ma-

gram am sityvebs yuradReba ar miaqcies,

radgan Cexebs aTaswleulebis

ganmavlobaSi pirdapiri Sexeba

rusebTan arasodes hqoniaT. saerTo

enobrivi safuZvlis miuxedavad, Cexebi

da rusebi arasdros yofilan erTi

samyaros, erTi istoriis, erTi kulturis

nawili. polonelebisa da rusebis

urTierToba ki yovelTvis SeiZleboda

gansazRvruliyo, rogorc "samkvdro-sasicocxlo

brZola".

warmoSobiT polonel jozef konrads

aRizianebda iarliyi "slavuri

suli", romelsac mas da mis wignebs awebebdnen.

daaxloebiT samoci wlis win

werda: "imisTvis, rasac literaturul

samyaroSi "slavur suls"uwodeben,

araferia ufro ucxo, vidre polonuri

xasiaTi, Tavisi rainduli erTgulebiT

zneobrivi SezRudvebisadmi

da pirovnebis uflebebis gamZafrebuli

pativiscemiT". (rogor kargad mesmis!

mec araferi vici ufro uazro,

vigre bundovani siRrmeebis es kulti,

WraWuna da carieli msjelobebi "slavur

sulze", romelsac periodulad

momaweren!)

da mainc, istoriografiaSi damkvidrda

"slavuri samyaros" idea. da 1945

wlis Semdeg evropis gayofa, romelmac

viTomda slavuri samyaro gaaer-

Tiana (sawyali ungrelebisa da ruminelebis

CaTvliT, visi enebic, rasakvirvelia,

slavuri ar aris _ magram

wvrilmanebi ra salaparakoa) TiTqmis

bunebriv gadawyvetilebad aRiqves.

* * *

gamodis, TviTon centraluri

evropis brali yofila, rom dasavleTma

verc ki SeniSna misi gauCinareba?

arc egrea saqme. XX saukunis dasawyisSi

centralur evropas, politikuri

sisustis miuxedavad, didi,

SesaZloa, udidesi kultura hqonda.

uyoymanod aRiareben venis _ froidisa

da maleris qalaqis mniSvnelobas,

magram mniSvnelobisa da originalobis

es gamovlena xom mxolod sxva

qalaqebisa da qveynebis SemoqmedebiTi

monawileobis fonze iyo SesaZlebeli.

atonaluri sistema Sonbergis skolam

Seqmna, magram tonalur principze

dafuZnebuli musikis ukiduresi Sesa-

Zleblobebi XX saukunis erT-erTma

udidesma musikosma, ungrelma bela

bartokma aRmoaCina. praReli kafkasa

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

literaturuli gazeTi 27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

da haSekis romanebma Seqmna Seudarebeli

kontrapunqti veneli muzilisa

da broxis romanebTan. aragermanulenovan

qveynebSi 1918 wlis Semdeg SemoqmedebiTma

aqtivobam moimata kidec:

qveynierebam gaigo praRis lingvisturi

wrisa da struqturalizmis miRwevebis

ambavi. poloneTSi ki diadma

sameulma _ vitold gombroviCma,

bruno Sulcma da stanislav vitkeviCma

_ win gauswro 50-iani wlebis evropul

modernizms, gansakuTrebiT, egreT

wodebul absurdis Teatrs.

Cndeba kiTxva: es sayovelTao kulturuli

aRmasvla ubralo damTxveva

iyo? Tu mizezi Zveli tradiciaa, saer-

To warsuli? sxva sityvebiT rom vTqvaT,

centraluri evropa marTla kulturuli

mTlianobaa sakuTari istoriiT?

da Tu es mTlianoba arsebobs,

sadaa misi sazRvrebi?

ar Rirs maTi zustad gavleba scado.

centraluri evropa ar aris saxelmwifo:

es gansakuTrebuli kulturaa

an bediswera. misi sazRvrebi mxolod

warmosaxvaSi arsebobs da istoriuli

viTarebis mixedviT uaxlovdeba

erTmaneTs.

magaliTad, XVI saukunis dasasruls,

praRaSi, karlis universitet-

Si Seikribnen inteleqtualebi (maswavleblebic

da studentebic): Cexebi,

avstrielebi, bavarielebi, saqsonielebi,

polonelebi, litvelebi, ungrelebi

da ruminelebi _ nimuSi mravalnacionaluri

sazogadoebisa, sadac

yoveli eri SeinarCunebda mSobliur

enas. sinamdvileSi swored karlis

universitetis (romlis reqtoric

erT dros religiuri reformatori

ian gusi iyo) gavlenam Seuwyo

xeli bibliis pirveli Targmanebis

gamoCenas ruminul da ungrul enaze.

mere iyo gusisturi omebi, maTiaS korvinis

epoqis ungruli renesansi,

romelmac mTel evropaze iqonia gavlena,

habsburgis imperiis Camoyalibeba

sami damoukidebeli saxelmwifos

_ bohemiis, ungreTisa da avstriis

gaerTianebis Sedegad, omebi TurqebTan,

XVII saukunis kontrreformacia. am

epoqaSi centraluri evropis kulturuli

Tavisebureba gamovlinda barokos

ayvavebiT, romelmac uzarmazari

sivrce moicva zalcburgidan vilniusamde.

evropis rukaze aRiniSna ori

urTierTsawinaaRmdego polusi: barokos

centraluri evropa (iracionaluri

sawyisis upiratesobiT, ferweris,

qandakebisa da gansakuTrebiT, musikis

primatiT) da klasicisturi safrangeTi

(racionaluri upiratesobiT,

sadac pirvel adgilze literatura

da filosofia idga). bevrs swored

barokos periodi miaCnia safuZvlad

sakvirveli aRmasvlisa centralurevropul

musikaSi, romelic ganviTarda

haidnidan Sonbergamde, listidan

bartokamde da iqca koncentrirebul

gamosaxvad gzisa, romelic gaiara mTeli

kontinentis musikam.

XIX saukuneSi brZolam erovnuli

saxelmwifoebis Sesaqmnelad (polonelebis,

ungrelebis, Cexebis, slovakebis,

xorvatebis, slovenielebis, ruminelebis,

ebraelebis brZolam) xalxebi

erTmaneTTan daapirispira. da

mainc, yvelam _ dacalkevebulebma,

egoisturebma, izolirebulebma _ gaiara

egzistenciuri gamocda, gaiara

arCevani arsebobasa da gaqrobas

Soris, sxvagvarad rom vTqvaT, TviTmyofadobis

SenarCunebisa da ufro

mravalricxovan eTnosSi Cakargvas

Soris. imperiis mmarTvel ers, avstrielebsac

ki SeeqmnaT safrTxe, rom

ufro msxvil germanias Caeylapa.

ebraelebze aRarafers vambob. imave

centralur evropaSi aRmocenebuli

sionizmi maTi arCevani iyo _ arCevani,

romelic uaryofda asimilacias. XX

saukune gaxda mowme avstriuli imperiis

ngrevisa, rusuli okupaciisa

da centralurevropuli ajanyebebis

gawelili periodisa, rac msxvili

fsoni iyo TamaSSi gaurkveveli SedegiT.

amgvarad, centraluri evropa ver

SemoisazRvreba da ganisazRvreba

politikuri kordonebiT (isini xelovnuria,

Seqmnilia SemoWrebiT,

dapyrobebiT, mitacebebiT), magram

saerTo xvedri isev da isev uyris Tavs

xalxebs warmosaxviT da uZrav

sazRvrebSi, saerTo mogonebebiT, ubedurebebiT,

CxubiT da tradiciebiT

dasaxlebul mxareSi.

* * *

zigmund froidis mSoblebi poloneTidan

iyvnen, TviTon zigmundma ki

bavSvoba moraviaSi gaatara, axla es

Cexoslovakiaa. iqve gaizardnen edmund

huserli da gustav maleri. polonuri

fesvebi hqonda venel romanists

iuzef rots. gamoCenili Cexi poeti

iulius zeieri praRaSi daibada, ojax-

Si, sadac germanulad laparakobdnen,

da Tavisi leqsebisTvis Cexuri ena Segnebulad

aarCia. herman kafkas mSobliuri

ena ki Cexuri iyo, magram misi vaJi,

franci, germanulad werda. 1956 wlis

ungruli ajanyebis mTavari figura,

tibor deri iyo ojaxidan, sadac germanulad

da ungrulad laparakobdnen,

Cemi megobari, mSvenieri romanebis avtori

danila kurSi ki gaizarda ojax-

Si, sadac ungrulad da serbiulad

laparakobdnen. sakvirveli wnulebia

TiToeuli qveynis gamorCeul warmomadgenelTa

xvedrSi. da yvelani _

vinc axlaxan vaxsene, _ ebraelebi

iyvnen. msoflios arc erTi sxva nawili

ase ar ganicdida ebrauli sulis

gavlenas. yvelgan ucxoebi da yvelgan

Cvenianebi, nacionalur ganxeTqilebebze

maRla mdgomi ebraelebi, iqcnen XX

saukunis centraluri evropis mTavar

faqtorad _ inteleqtur duRabad,

misi sulis Sededebad, misi sulieri

erTobis Semoqmedad. amitomaa CemTvis

esoden Zvirfasi ebrauli memkvidreoba,

da iseTi vnebiTa da nostalgiiT

vebRauWebi, TiTqos Cemi sakuTari

iyos.

sxva mizezicaa, ebraelebi ase rom

meZvirfaseba _ maT xvedrSi airekla

da koncentrireba ganicada centraluri

evropis xvedrma, igi simbolod

iqca. ra aris centraluri

evropa? olqi bundovani sazRvrebiT

ruseTsa da germanias Soris, romelic

dasaxlebulia patara erebiT. xazs

vusvam: patara erebiT. sinamdvileSi ra

arian ebraelebi, Tu ara patara eri

par excellence? erTaderTi patara

eri, romelmac gauZlo imperiebs da

istoriis gamaCanagebel svlas.

magram ra aris patara eri? me ase

ganvsazRvravdi _ es iseTi eria, romlis

arsebobac yovel wels SeiZleba

saTuo gaxdes, SeiZleba, ganadgurdes

da es TviTonac icis. frangebs, rusebs,

ingliselebs ar sWirdebaT gamudmebuli

wuxili Tavisi eris arsebobaze.

TavianT himnebSi mxolod sidiadesa da

maradiulobaze mRerian. polonuri

himni ki piriqiT, iwyeba sityvebiT:

"poloneTi jer ar daRupula..."

centraluri evropa mcire erebis

ojaxia da gansakuTrebulad uyurebs

samyaros. es Tvalsazrisi istoriisadmi

gansakuTrebul undoblobazea damyarebuli.

istoria, hegelisa da marqsis

RvTaeba, xorcSesxmaa mamoZravebeli

Zalebisa, romlebic Cvens beds gansazRvraven,

dampyrobelTa istoriaa.

centralurevropuli erebi ar arian

dampyroblebi. isini ganuyrelni arian

evropuli istoriisgan, SeuZlebelia

maTi warmodgena evropis miRma,

magram Tan evropis Secdoma arian, misi

msxverplni da autsaiderebi.

istoriisadmi es gamomafxizlebel

damokidebulebaa maTi kulturis, sibrZnis,

"ironiuli suliskveTebis" wyaro,

suliskveTebisa, romelic dascinis

sidiades da didebas. "gaxsovdeT,

rom mxolod Tavad istoriisTvis

winaaRmdegobis gaweva gvaZlevs unars,

SeveewinaaRmdegoT dRevandel istorias."

vitold gombroviCis am sityvebs

me centraluri evropis SesasvlelTan

gamovkidebdi.


27 noemberi - 10 dekemberi 2009

swored es mxare "patara erebisa",

jer rom ar daRupulan, warmoaCens

mTeli evropis daucvelobas. Tanamedrove

samyaroSi, sadac ramdenime didi

qveyana gamudmebiT zrdis Tavis Zlevamosilebas,

yvela evropuli eri Sei-

Zleba, mcire aRmoCndes da centralurevropelTa

bedi gaiziaros. am

mxriv centraluri evropis xvedri win

uswrebs mTeli evropis xvedrs, da misi

kultura gansakuTrebul aqtualobas

iZens. sakmarisia, wavikiTxoT didi

centralurevropuli romanebi: herman

broxis "mTvareulebSi" istoria

idealebis gamudmebuli dacemis procesia;

robert muzili "uTvisebo kac-

Si" xatavs eiforiul mdgomareobaSi

myof sazogadoebas, romelsac ar esmis,

rom misi aRsasruli moaxloebulia;

iaroslav haSekis "guladi jariskaci

Sveikis" mixedviT Tavisuflebis

SenarCunebis erTaderTi gzaa Tavi

idiotad gaasaRo; kafka winaswarmetyvelebs

mexsierebadakargul samyaros,

romelic iqneba istoriis dasasrulis

Semdeg. XX saukunis centralur

evropaSi Seqmnili xelovnebis yvela

nawarmoebi aris jiuti msjeloba evropuli

civilizaciis sikvdilze.

* * *

dRes, roca ruseTma daimorCila

mTeli centraluri evropa (patara

avstriis garda, romelmac SemTxveviT

SeinarCuna damoukidebloba, magram

amoiglija centralurevropuli

garemodan), am ukanasknelma Tavisi

yvelaze damaxasiaTebeli Tvisebebic

dakarga da Tavisi mniSvnelobac. ueWvelia,

kulturis centralurevropuli

keris gaqroba erT-erTi mniSvnelovani

movlenaa mTeli dasavluri

civilizaciisTvis. amitom vimeoreb

Cems kiTxvas: rogor SeiZleboda es SeumCneveli

darCeniliyo?

pasuxi martivia: evropam ver SeniSna

es gauCinareba, radgan aRar aRiqvams

Tavis erTianobas kulturul er-

Tianobad. marTlac, ras eyrdnoboda

evropis erTianoba? Sua saukuneebSi _

saerTo religias. axal droebaSi,

roca Suasaukuneebis RmerTi Deus absconditius-ad

gadaiqca, religiam adgili

dauTmo kulturas, romelic gaxda

matarebeli im umaRlesi faseulobebisa,

romelTa daxmarebiT evropulma

civilizaciam Seicno da gansazRvra

sakuTari evropuloba. etyoba,

Cvens saukuneSi moxda kidev erTi

cvlileba, iseTive mniSvnelovani,

rogorc is, ramac gamohyo axali droeba

Sua saukuneebisgan. rogorc odes-

Rac ufalma dauTmo adgili kulturas,

swored ise dauTmo Tavisi adgili

kulturamac...

magram ras da vis? ra saxis umaRles

faseulobebs SeeZlo evropis gaer-

Tianeba? miRwevebs teqnikis sferoSi?

masobrivi informaciis saSualebebs?

(did poets didi Jurnalisti Caanacvlebs?)

Tu politikas? mereda, rogor

politikas? memarjvene Tu memarcxene?

arsebobs ki sayovelTaod aRiarebuli

ideali, romelic amaRldeba memarjveneTa

da memarcxeneTa martiv da

dauZlevel maniqevelobaze? iqceva

Tu ara idealad Semwynarebloba, sxva

xalxis mrwamsisa da azrebis pativiscema?

da xom ar aRmoCndeba, rom es Semwynarebloba

uSinaarsoa da usargeblo,

Tuki mis ukan ar idgeba SemoqmedebiTi

aqtivoba da Rrma ideebi?

iqneb, kulturis uaryofa unda

SevafasoT ganTavisuflebad erTgvari

uRlisgan, romelic Cvenc netarebiT

unda CamovixsnaT? an iqneb,

eus absconditius kidev dabrundeba,

Tavs iCens da sicarieles amoavsebs? ar

vici, araferi ar vici. me mgoni, mxolod

is vici, rom kulturam Tavi

dagvikra.

* * *

franc verfelma cxovrebis pirveli

mesamedi praRaSi gaatara, meore _

venaSi, mesame _ emigraciaSi, jer safrangeTSi,

Semdeg amerikaSi. cen-

tralurevropelis tipiuri biografiaa.

1937 wels, colTan, saxelgan-

Tqmul almasTan, maleris qvrivTan

erTad Camovida parizSi. erTa ligasTan

arsebulma inteleqturi Tanam-

Sromlobis sazogadoebam miiwvia konferenciaze

"literaturis momavali".

Tavis sityvaSi verfelma gailaSqra

aramarto hitleris, aramed saerTod

totalitarizmis safrTxis winaaRmdeg,

ideologiisa da presis araseriozulobis

winaaRmdeg. misi azriT,

msoflio kulturis ganadgurebis

zRurblze aRmoCnda da amis Tavidan

acileba SesaZlebeli iqneboda poet-

Ta da moazrovneTa msiflio akademiis

(Weltakademie der Dichter und Denker) SeqmniT.

am akademiis wevrTa kandidatebs

araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar wamoayenebda

saxelmwifo. SerCevis erTaderTi kriteriumi

iqneboda TiToeuli pretendentis

nawarmoebebi. akademiaSi unda

Sesuliyo ocdaoTxidan ormoc mwerlamde

mTeli msofliodan. politikisgan

da propagandisgan Tavisufali

akademiis amocana iqneboda "win

aRdgomoda msoflios politizebasa

da gabarbarosebas".

es winadadeba aramarto uarhyves,

aramed mourideblad dascines. rasakvirvelia,

gulubryvilo SeTavazeba

iyo. usaSvelod gulubryvilo. suliT

xorcamde politizebul samyaroSi,

sadac mwerlebi da moazrovneebi sabolood

"gabantulebi", politikurad

angaJirebulebi hyavdaT, SeuZlebeli

iqneboda damoukidebeli akademiis Seqmna.

is, uTuod keTilSobil gulTa sasacilo

kavSirad iqceoda.

Tumca es gulubryvilo winadadeba

gulze mxvdeba _ igi metyvelebs

mZafr moTxovnilebaze _ isev da isev

veZioT zneobrivi orientirebi am uazro

samyaroSi. igi niSania mtanjveli

survilisa yuri movkraT kulturis

Zlivs gasagon xmas, ichter und Denker-is

xmas.

es istoria Cems cnobierebaSi gadajaWvulia

erT mogonebasTan: maxsendeba

dila, roca policiam Cemi megobris,

cnobili Cexi filosofosis bina

gaCxrika da misi aTasgverdiani naSromis

xelnaweri waiRo. cota xnis Semdeg

CamovediT gradCanidan, sadac Cemi megobari

maSin cxovrobda, gadaviareT

manesis xidi da praRis quCebs davuyeviT.

cdilobda, yvelaferi gaexumrebina:

rogor apirebs policia Cemi

teqstis gaSifvras, eg mxolod SeTqmulebs

SeuZliaTo. magram iumori

tkivils ver axSobda: xelnaweri,

romelic aTi wlis ganmavlobaSi iqmneboda,

samudamod dakarguli iyo _

erTaderTi egzemplari hqonda.

gvindoda, sazRvargareT gagvegzavna

Ria werili da am konfiskaciis gamo

skandali agvetexa. savsebiT naTeli

iyo, rom werili saxelmwifo moRvawisTvis

an organizaciisTvis ki ara, imisTvis

unda gagvegzavna, vinc politikaze

maRla dgas, uryevi zneobrivi

faseulobebis matareblisTvis, adamianisTvis,

visac mTeli evropa icnobs.

erTi sityviT, kulturis moRvawisTvis.

magram vin aris es adamiani? uecrad

mivxvdiT, rom aseTi adamiani ar

arsebobs. rasakvirvelia, iyvnen didi

fermwerebi, dramaturgebi da musikosebi,

magram sazogadoeba maT aRar miakuTvnebda

im zneobrivi avtoritetebis

sapatio rols, vinc mTeli evropis

suls ganasaxierebdnen. kulturis

samefo, sadac umaRlesi faseulobebi

marTaven, aRar arsebobda. mivdiodiT

Zveli qalaqis moednisken, sadac vcxovrobdi,

da Tavzardamcem sicarieles

vgrZnobdi _ sicarieles evropuli

sivrcisa, sadac TandaTanobiT

gahqra kultura.

* * *

centraluri evropis qveynebi ukanasknelad

dasavleTis Semadgenloba-

Si Sediodnen 1918 _ 1938 wlebSi. Sesabamisad,

maTi warmodgena dasavleTze

_ esaa warmodgena dasavleTze, romelic

aRar arsebobs, dasavleTze, ro-

literaturuli literaturuli gazeTi

gazeTi

melsac jer ar gamomSvidobebia kultura.

amis gaTvaliswinebiT, minda,

xazgasmiT aRvniSno arsebiTi garemoeba:

centralur evropaSi ajanyebebi

gazeTebiT, radioTi an televiziiT _

anu masobrivi informaciis saSualebebiT

ar iyo nasazrdoebi. am ajanyebebs

amzadebda, ayalibebda, amoZravebda

romanebi, poezia, Teatri, kino, istoriografia,

literaturuli kritika,

popularuli komediebi, kabare,

filosofiuri diskusiebi _ anu kultura.

masobrivi informaciis saSualebebs,

romlebic ganuyofelia

frangisTvis an amerikelisTvis imisgan,

rasac dRes dasavleTs uZaxian,

araviTari kavSiri ar hqoniaT am ajanyebebTan

(presas da televizias saxelmwifo

srulad akontrolebda).

ai, ratom iyo, rom Cexoslovakiis

okupaciis Semdeg ruseTma yvelaferi

iRona Cexuri kulturis gasanadgureblad.

amas rom akeTebda, sami mizani

hqonda: jer erTi _ opoziciis safuZvlis

ganadgureba; meore _ eris er-

Tianobis Seryeva da rusuli civilizaciis

mier Cexebis Caylapvis gaioleba;

mesame _ Zaladobrivad dasruleba

axali droebisa, epoqisa, roca kultura

jer kidev xorcs asxamda umaRles

Rirebulebebs.

es mesame yvelaze mniSvnelovnad

meCveneba. arsebiTad, totalitaruli

rusuli civilizacia aris radikaluri

uaryofa Tanamedrove dasavle-

Tisa, romelic oTxi saukunis win Seiqmna

axali drois ganTiadze _ epoqisa,

romlis prioritetebi iyo moazrovne

pirovneba, yvelaferi rom aeWvebs, da

am pirovnebis unikalurobis amsaxveli

xelovnebis nawarmoebebi. rusulma

Semotevam Cexoslovakia "postkulturul"

xanaSi gadaiyvana, gaaSiSvla da

daucveli datova rusuli armiisa da

yovlismomcveli saxelmwifo televiziis

winaSe.

rusebis SemoWris sammagad tragikuli

SedegiT SeZrwunebuli safrangeTSi

Camovedi da vcade, Cemi frangi

megobrebisTvis momeTxro im rbevis

ambavi, rac Cexur kulturas daatyda

Tavs. "warmogidgeniaT?! yvela literaturuli

da mxatvruli gamocema

daxures! aseTi ram CexeTis istoriaSi

ar momxdara, hitleris okupaciis

drosac ki!"

megobrebi mismendnen, moTminebiT

mismendnen, magram Tan uxerxulad iSmuSnebodnen,

ris mizezsac mogvianebiT

mivxvdi. CexoslovakiaSi perioduli

gamocemebis daxurvis ambavi

mTelma erma icoda da mTeli eri

gulistkiviliT acnobierebda am ambis

mZime Sedegebs. magram erT mSvenier

dRes uecrad safrangeTisa da inglisis

mTeli kritikuli periodika rom

daxuruliyo, amas veravin (maT Soris,

verc maTi gamomcemlebi) ver SeamCnevda.

parizSi, ganaTlebul sazogadoebaSic

ki, saRamos Sexvedrebze aravin

saubrobs literaturul kritikaze, iq

televizorSi nanaxze laparakoben.

Targmani 15

kulturas ukve zurgs aqcevdnen. misi

gaqroba, praRaSi rom katastrofad,

tragediad iTvleboda da adamianebs

Tavzars scemda, parizSi aRiqmeboda,

rogorc raRac banalur da umniSvnelo,

odnav SesamCnevi, da movlenad arc

miiCnevdnen.

* * *

avstro-ungreTis imperiis damxobis

Semdeg centralur evropas Tavisi

cixe-simagris kedlebi Camoengra.

gana suli ar dahkarga osvencimis Semdeg,

romelmac misi rukidan aRgava

ebraeli xalxi? 1945 wels evropisgan

moglejili arsebobs ki saerTod?

rasakvirvelia, da misi SemoqmedebiTi

aqtivoba da ajanyebebi metyvelebs,

rom "jer ar daRupula". magram Tuki

arseboba niSnavs sicocxles maTTvis,

vinc gviyvars, maSin centraluri evropa

aRar aris. usayvarlesi evropisTvis

centraluri evropa _ ubralod sab-

WoTa imperiis nawilia da meti araferi,

meti araferi.

kacma rom Tqvas, ra gasakviria?

Tavisi politikuri sistemis gamoisobiT,

centraluri evropa aRmosavle-

Tia; Tavisi kulturis gamoisobiT _

dasavleTi. magram dRevandeli evropa

xom hkargavs Tavis kulturul identurobas,

amitom centralur evropas

mxolod politikur reJimad aRiqvams;

sxva sityvebiT rom vTqvaT, centraluri

evropis saxiT igi mxolod aRmosavleT

evropas xedavs.

es niSnavs, rom centraluri evropa

unda ebrZolos ara mxolod Tavis

despot mezobels, aramed kidev drois

sastik, ostatur Cagvras droisa, romelmac

ukve gembans iqiT moitova kulturis

epoqa. ai, ratomaa raRac konservatuli,

TiTqmis arqauli centralurevropul

ajanyebebSi: isini

TavganwirviT cdiloben warsulis

aRdgenas, warsulisa, sadac aris kultura;

axali droebis warsulisa. mxolod

im epoqaSi, im samyaroSi, romelsac

Semounaxavs kulturuli ganzomileba,

moaxerxebs centraluri evropa,

SeinarCunos Tavisi identuroba,

aRiqvan imad, rac aris.

ase rom, centraluri evropis WeSmariti

tragedia ruseTi ki ara, evropaa:

is evropa, romelic imdenad did

faseulobad warmoudgebaT, rom ungreTis

axali ambebis saagentos direqtori

mzad iyo, misTvis Tavi gaewira.

da gaswira kidec. rkinis fardis meore

mxares myofi, verc ifiqrebda, rom

dro Seicvala da TviT evropaSic ki

evropas faseulobad aRar aRiqvamen.

arc ki eWvobda, rom misi vel-mindvrebiani

qveynidan gagzavnili Setyobineba

Zvelmoduri moeCvenebaT da ver

gaugeben.

1983

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gamodis saqarTvelos kulturis, ZeglTa dacvisa

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`xSirad mifiqria, rom marTlac samwuxaro

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Tumca, meores mxriv, albaT, mmarTebs,

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da gavanadguro xelnaweri... dabneuli

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mTel msoflios Tavis gancdebs

nabokovis erTaderTi memkvidre dimitri.

Tumca dedis gardacvalebis Semdeg,

1991 wlidan is am rTuli dilemis

winaSe idga da gadawyvetilebis miReba

uWirda. axalgamocemuli wignis winasityvaobasac

ase daarqva _ `dimitris

dilema~.

daisi

vladimer nabokovi `laurasa da mis

originals~ Tavisi cxovrebis ukanasknel

wlebSi werda. cnobilia, rom imxanad

is Sveicariis qalaq montres

sastumroSi cxovrobda. 76 wlis asakSi

is ubeduri SemTxvevis msxverpli gaxda

_ sayvareli saqmianobisas, peplebis

devnisas daeca da mas Semdeg mwerali

ara marto fizikurad, inteleqtualuradac

dasustda.

misi biografi braian boidi ixsenebs,

rogor gamovida mwerali saavadmyofodan.

vladimer nabokovi Tavis das-

Tan erTad banqos saTamaSod dajda.

da-Zma mTeli cxovrebis ganmavlobaSi

ase erToboda da umeteswilad Zma rCeboda

gamarjvebuli, Tumca maSin

zedized samjer ganicada marcxi. cxadi

gaxda, mwerali ver iyo formaSi,

Tumca miuxedavad yvelafrisa, wera ar

Seuwyvitavs da mTeli am xnis manZilze

muSaobda romanze erTaderTi pirobiT,

romelic man sayvarel meuRles

CamoarTva _ Tu wigns ver daamTavrebda,

vera nabokova xelnawers gaanadgurebda.

1977 wels vladimer nabokovi gardaicvala.

veram meuRlisadmi micemuli

pirobis Sesruleba ver SeZlo _

xeli ar daemorCila, umowyalod

gaenadgurebina nobelianti meuRlis

Txzuleba, Tumca arc gamoqveyneba

ucdia.

1991 wels verac gardaicvala. arCevanis

winaSe amjerad erTaderTi vaJi,

dimitri dadga. daaxloebiT ori wlis

win nabokovebis memkvidrem mwerlis

TayvanismcemlebisTvis Tavzardamcemi

gadawyvetileba miiRo _ xelnaweri

unda ganadgurebuliyo!

mZime gadawyvetileba

da ai, miuxedavad yvelafrisa, Sveicariis

bankSi 30 wlis manZilze Senaxulma

138-ma biblioTekaris baraTma

(swored aseT baraTebze uyvarda nabokovs

wera) bolos da bolos dRis sina-

Tle ixila. aseT radikalur gardaqm-

momReral niq qeivis wigni

literaturul konkurszea wardgenili

musikaluri jgufebis _ `The Bad

Seeds~-isa da `rinderman~-is _ lideri,

momRerali niq qeivi dasaxelebulia ad

Sex in Fiction Award-is nominantTa Soris.

amis Sesaxeb ityobineba gazeTi `gardiani~.

premia, romelic britanulma gamocemam

The Literary Review daawesa, yovelwliurad

gadaecema im avtors, romelmac

yvelaze uniWod aRwera seqsis scena

literaturul nawarmoebSi.

gamarjvebis pretendentia avstralieli

musikosis meore wignis `bani

manros sikvdilis~ fragmenti. romani

2009 wlis seqtemberSi gamoica. mTavari

gmiria bani manro, romlis cxovrebis

detalebsac aRwers avtori. manro mudmivad

sasmelis zemoqmedebis qveSaa da

maradiulad Ralatobs meuRles.

Sotlandiuri sagamomcemlo saxlis

_ Canongate _ warmomadgenels, ana

freims romelic qeivis wignze iyo pasuxismgebeli,

mwvave reaqcia hqonda

momRerlis nominantobaze. rogorc

Tavad aRniSna, aRSfoTebulia, niqis

romani rom moxvda amgvari premiis

SorTlistSi.

niq qeivis garda am jildos mosapoveblad

kidev cxra avtori `ibrZvis~.

gamarjvebulis vinaoba, romelmac yvelaze

uniWod aRwera seqsis scena mxatvrul

literaturaSi, 30 noembers

gaxdeba cnobili. dajildovebis ceremonia

londonis klub `In & Out~ -Si

Catardeba. 2008 wels es premia reiCel

jonsons gadaeca erotikuli scenisTvis

misi satiruli xasiaTis romanidan

`Shire Hell~. Tavis droze specialuri

jildo jon apdaiksac gadasces,

romelic am premiaze oTxjer iyo

wardgenili.

nas literatorebi dimitris asaks

ukavSireben. erTni aRniSnaven, rom dimitris

ukve 75 weli Seusrulda da mixvda,

rom civi gonebiT unda emsjela.

misi gardacvalebis Semdeg racionalur

gadawyvetilebas veRaravin miiRebda

da Tavad namdvilad ver gaigebda,

sabolood ra bedi eweoda mamis xelnawers

im SemTxvevaSi, Tu anderZs ar

aRasrulebda. wignis ganadgureba ki,

rogorc Cans, erTaderTma memkvidrem

mainc ver gabeda.

dimitrim Tavisi radikaluri cvlileba

wignis _ `laura da misi originali~

_ winasityvaobaSi ase axsna: ‘mamas

sinamdvileSi sruliadac ar surs

wignis ganadgureba~ da amis dasturad

mohyavs msgavsi magaliTi franc kafkas

cxovrebidan, romelmac `gaazrebulad

gadasca Tavis megobars, maqs

brods gasanadgureblad iseTi Sedevrebis

xelnawerebi, rogoricaa `ci-

xesimagre~, `transformacia~ da `procesi~.

mas gaTviTcnobierebuli hqonda,

rom brods amgvari gadawyvetilebisTvis

arc Zala eyofoda da arc _ SemarTeba~.

nabokovis xelnaweri

axlaxan gamocemuli wignis furclebze

erTmaneTis gverdiTaa gan-

Tavsebuli Tavad nabokovis xelnaweri

da gaSifruli teqsti. xelnaweri biblioTekaris

baraTebzea dastambuli,

Tanac ise, rom mkiTxvels TiToeuli

baraTis amoReba da wesisamebr daxarisxeba

SeeZlos. Turme swored ase

uyvarda mwerals muSaoba _ werda

baraTebze, Tu siuJetur qargas gadauxvevda,

baraTic sanagve urnaSi aRmoCndeboda

da Semdegi baraTi axal

numeracias iRebda.

`laura da misi originali~, karga

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mTeli msoflio eloda. iqneb amitomac

nabokovis Tayvanismcemlebis nawili

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romlis dausrulebeli saxiT

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ugulvebelyofa zogs aRizianebs

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ucxadebs. aRiarebuli amerikeli mwerlis,

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