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`petre caava opoziciis
xelisuflebasa da opozicias
Sorena marsagiSvili
Soris gamarTulma warumatebel-
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ma molaparakebebma bevrs imedebi
gaucrua. samoqalaqo aqtivisti
oTar kvirikaSvili fiqrobs, rom yvelaferi ise unda
damTavrebuliyo, rogorc damTavrda. misi TqmiT, opozicias
xelisuflebasTan SeTanxmebaze xeli ar unda moewera. mas ar
esmis, ratom akisrebs molaparakebebis CaSlaze dasavleTi
opozicias iseTive pasuxismgeblobas, rogorsac umravlesobas?
kvirikaSvilis azriT, „qarTul ocnebas” daTmobaze wasvlas
mxolod xalxi aiZulebs. ambobs, rom xalxs umravleso-
bac moswyinda da opoziciac. misi TqmiT, Seqmnili viTareba
Zalian xelsayrelia giorgi gaxariasTvis.
ratom gaxda gaxaria misaRe-
bi figura? ra Secdomas uSvebs
opozicia da ras iTxovs xalxi
maTgan? ratom aris aucilebe-
li vadamdeli arCevnebi da vin
ewinaaRmdegeba amas? afasebs Tu
ara evropa saqarTveloSi arse-
bul viTarebas realurad? _
amis Sesaxeb oTar kvirikaSvili
„qronika+~-s esaubreba:
_ oTar, molaparakebebis
CaSlaze dasavleTi Tanabrad
akisrebs pasuxismgeblobas um-
ravlesoba-opozicias. Tqveni
azriT, es visi bralia?
_ evroparlamenti saqarTvelosTan
mimarTebiT did Secdomas
uSvebs, roca erT sibrtyeSi ganixilavs
umravlesobasac da opoziciasac.
ar SeiZleba, orives
Tanabrad gadaunawilo pasuxismgebloba.
opozicias aRmatebul
WrilSi ar vuyureb, magram
Seqmnil viTarebaze pasuxismgebloba
srulad ekisreba xelisuflebas.
„qarTuli ocneba” realurad
dgas avtomatiT, opozicia
_ SiSveli xelebiT. erTaderTi,
rac SeiZleba Cvens opozicias
daswamo es aris uniaToba.
maT molaparakebebis CaSla ar
unda dabraldes. yvelafris miuxedavad,
am opoziciam saxis SenarCuneba
SeZlo.
_ raSi gamoixateba saxis Se-
narCuneba?
_ opozicia isev ar aRiarebs
gayalbebuli arCevnebis Sedegebs
da parlaments boikots ucxadebs.
asec unda iyos. arCevnebi
aris gayalbebuli. mniSvneloba
ar aqvs, ras ityvian „girCebi” da
aleko elisaSvili. arsebuli
saarCevno sistema veranair kritikas
ver uZlebs. imaze saubari,
rom „qarTuli ocneba” raRacaze
apirebda xelis moweras, ar
mjera. egre magaT 2019 wels srulad
proporciul sistemaze gadasvlis
pirobac dades da gadagvagdes.
es opoziciasac kargad
axsovs. amitomac aRar Cahyva
axla xelisuflebas mis TamaSSi.
_ arc im SemTxvevaSi unda
Cahyoloda, Tuki molaparakebe-
bi dasavleTis CarTulobiT
gaimarTeboda?
_ mniSvneloba ar aqvs, am molaparakebaSi
miSeli Caereoda
Tu danielsoni. opozicia sworad
moiqca, „ocnebas” rom ar
Cahyva.
_ Tu araferi unda daeTmoT,
ratom dajda opozicia mola-
parakebebis magidasTan?
_ opoziciam swori gadaw-
yvetileba miiRo, molaparakebebis
magidasTan rom dajda. uari
rom eTqvaT, amas xelisufleba
saTavisod gamoiyenebda. molaparakebaze
dajdoma swori gadawyvetileba
iyo, iseve rogorc
SeTanxmebis xelmoweraze uaris
Tqma.
ra SeTanxmebis miRwevazea
saubari, roca nika melia da giorgi
rurua cixeSi arian?! am
SeTanxmebiT ivaniSvili arc
arafers kargavda. movlenebs 31
oqtombris gadmosaxedidan SevxedoT.
ivaniSvili jer xom raRacaze
gevaWreba, mere tyved aiyvans
viRacebs da ukve imaTiT
gvevaWreba. bolos rac hqonda,
isic rCeba. plus am vaWrobiT
kidev damatebiT dividendebs
Rebulobs. opozicia am SeTanxmebiT
verafers igebda. erTader-
Ti gamarjveba SeiZleboda, melias
gamoSveba yofiliyo. an magaze
ratom midis saubari? es adamiani
isedac unda gamouSvan. an
saerTod ratom aris cixeSi? magram
xom giTxariT, ivaniSvils
tyveebiT vaWroba sCvevia. opozicia
rom parlamentSi Sesuliyo,
nikas aravin daiWerda.
opozicias SeTanxmebisTvis
rom moewera xeli, biZina ivaniSvils
moparuli arCevnebi xaxviviT
SerCeboda. am SemTxvevaSi,
opozicia sworad moiqca, rom ivaniSvilis
TamaSs ar ahyva. politpatimrebis
gamoSvebiT araferi
Seicvleboda. Tanac egeni
politpatimrebi ki ara, ivaniSvilis
tyveebi arian, romlebic
unda gamouSvan. vadamdeli arCevnebic
unda dainiSnos da dainiSneba
kidevac.
_ ratom unda dainiSnos vadamdeli
arCevnebi? amis aucileblobas
zogierTi evropar-
lamentaric ver xedavs.
_ imitom unda dainiSnos, rom
arCevnebi gayalbda. gayalbeba
rom arc yofiliyo da „ocnebas”
1000%-iT moego es arCevnebi,
mainc vadamdeli unda dainiSnos
da avxsni, ratomac: modiT, vTqvaT,
visi wyalobiT da reitingiT
aiRo „qarTulma ocnebam” xmebi
bolo arCevnebze. es biZina ivaniSvilisa
da giorgi gaxarias damsaxurebaa.
dRes arc gaxariaa „qarTul
ocnebaSi” da arc _ biZina
ivaniSvili.
_ gaxaria ki wavida „ocnebi-
dan”, magram biZina ivaniSvilis
wasvla saeWvoa. amis aravis
sjera.
_ oficialurad xom wavida
oTar kvirikaSvili:
`ra SeTanxmebis
miRwevazea saubari,
roca nika melia
da giorgi rurua
cixeSi arian?!~
ivaniSvili? is oficialurad aRar
ereva partiis saqmeebSi. am
ori adamianis wasvliT „qarTulma
ocnebam” legitimacia dakarga.
mmarTvel partias legitimacia
aRar aqvs. qveyanaSi gaqanebuli
ekonomikuri krizisia: CamoiSala
lari, qveyana defoltis
winaSe dgas. produqtebze yoveldRiurad
katastrofulad
izrdeba fasebi. kovidis garSemo
korufcia yvavis. Cavarda vaqcinacia.
yvela mimarTulebiT Cavardna
aqvs xelisuflebas. ar
mesmis, am krizisis fonze rogor
SeiZleba, normaluri adamiani vadamdelis
daniSvnaze ar fiqrobdes?
_ moaruli xmebiT, mmarTvel
partiaSi fiqroben vadamdelis
daniSvnaze da amitomac wavida
gaxaria gundidan.
_ viRacebi SeiZleba marTla
fiqroben vadamdel arCevnebze.
„ocnebaSi” ician, rom Cveni ekonomika
am kriziss veRar gauZlebs
da CamoiSleba. pasuxismgeblobis
mTeli tvirTi daawveba
„ocnebas”. maT es ar undaT da
cdiloben, opoziciasac ahkidon
pasuxismgebloba. vadamdel ar-
Cevnebs araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar
daTanxmdeba kobaxiZe-mdinaraZis
jgufi. es marginalebi ara mgonia,
imaze fiqrobdnen, rom vinmes
gadaunawilon Zalaufleba.
_ risi gadamnawileblebi arian,
Zlivs Caigdes xelSi Zalau-
fleba.
_ normalur qveyanaSi amaT
soflis sakrebulos ar Caabarebda
kaci. axla qveyanas marTaven.
Zalaufleba dRes marginalebis
xelSia. Zlivs moeswrnen raRacas
da daTmobaze ar wavlen. yvelafers
gaakeTeben, rom saqme
xelaxal arCevnebamde ar mivides.
mosaxleobisgan wnexi sanam ar
`gaxaria iyo ruseTis moqalqe, is saqmianobda
ruseTSi. iq aqvs seriozuli kavSirebi. mis
biografias Tu gadavxedavT, vnaxavT, rom
karierulad Zalian swrafad dawinaurda.
ruseTSi aseTi raRacebi ase martivad da
SemTxveviT ar xdeba. es mafiqrebinebs, rom mas
ruseTSi raRac sxva kavSirebi aqvs. SesaZloa,
moskovi mas ivaniSvilis alternativad
amzadebdes. ra aqvs am adamians Cafiqrebuli,
es iqedan gamoCndeba, Tu ra kategoriis xalxs
daiyenebs gverdiT~
iqneba, araferi gamova. evropis
wnexis imedi didad ar maqvs.
_ evropis wnexis imedi ratom
ar gaqvT?
_ gakeTebuli gancxadebebiT
Tu vimsjelebT, aSkaraa, rom
evroparlamentarebis nawili aq
arsebul viTarebas kargad ar
icnobs. vinc icnobs, isinic Tavs
ikavebs realobaze saubrisgan.
Tavs ikaveben imitom, rom xvdebian,
ra Secdomac dauSves
saqarTvelos xelisuflebasTan
mimarTebiT.
_ ra Secdoma dauSves?
_ eseni ase Tavis nebaze rom
miuSves, es iyo Zalian didi Secdoma.
_ zemoT gaxaria da ivaniSvilis
„ocnebidan” wasvla gaix-
seneT. Tqveni azriT, es ori
rame fokuss xom ar amzadebs?
2013 wels ivaniSvilma Tqva, rom
Tu „ocnebis” gezi ar moewone-
boda, Tavad Seqmnida opozicias.
_ ivaniSvilma Tavis bolo interviuSic
saintereso rame Tqva.
aRniSna, bednieri viqnebi, Tu
„ocneba” opoziciaSi gadava da
xelisuflebis saTaveSi profesionalebi
movleno. araferi
gamoricxuli ar aris, magram
ratomRac, mgonia, rom gaxaria
ufro damoukidebel TamaSs
TamaSobs, is ivaniSvilis proeqti
ar unda iyos.
_ ratom fiqrobT, rom
damoukidebel TamaSs TamaSobs?
_ gaxaria iyo ruseTis moqalqe,
is saqmianobda ruseTSi. iq
aqvs seriozuli kavSirebi. magis
biografias Tu gadavxedavT,
vnaxavT, rom karierulad Zalian
swrafad dawinaurda. ruseTSi
aseTi raRacebi ase martivad da
SemTxveviT ar xdeba. es mafiqrebinebs,
rom mas ruseTSi raRac
sxva kavSirebi aqvs. SesaZloa,
moskovi mas ivaniSvilis alternativad
amzadebdes. ra aqvs am
adamians Cafiqrebuli, es iqedan
gamoCndeba, Tu ra kategoriis
xalxs daiyenebs gverdiT. rac ar
unda vilaparakoT, faqtia, rom
dRes opozicia gamarginalebulia.
bevr maTgans mxrebze awevs
im cxra wlis simZime. zogs cxr-
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