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`petre caava opoziciis

xelisuflebasa da opozicias

Sorena marsagiSvili

Soris gamarTulma warumatebel-

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ma molaparakebebma bevrs imedebi

gaucrua. samoqalaqo aqtivisti

oTar kvirikaSvili fiqrobs, rom yvelaferi ise unda

damTavrebuliyo, rogorc damTavrda. misi TqmiT, opozicias

xelisuflebasTan SeTanxmebaze xeli ar unda moewera. mas ar

esmis, ratom akisrebs molaparakebebis CaSlaze dasavleTi

opozicias iseTive pasuxismgeblobas, rogorsac umravlesobas?

kvirikaSvilis azriT, „qarTul ocnebas” daTmobaze wasvlas

mxolod xalxi aiZulebs. ambobs, rom xalxs umravleso-

bac moswyinda da opoziciac. misi TqmiT, Seqmnili viTareba

Zalian xelsayrelia giorgi gaxariasTvis.

ratom gaxda gaxaria misaRe-

bi figura? ra Secdomas uSvebs

opozicia da ras iTxovs xalxi

maTgan? ratom aris aucilebe-

li vadamdeli arCevnebi da vin

ewinaaRmdegeba amas? afasebs Tu

ara evropa saqarTveloSi arse-

bul viTarebas realurad? _

amis Sesaxeb oTar kvirikaSvili

„qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ oTar, molaparakebebis

CaSlaze dasavleTi Tanabrad

akisrebs pasuxismgeblobas um-

ravlesoba-opozicias. Tqveni

azriT, es visi bralia?

_ evroparlamenti saqarTvelosTan

mimarTebiT did Secdomas

uSvebs, roca erT sibrtyeSi ganixilavs

umravlesobasac da opoziciasac.

ar SeiZleba, orives

Tanabrad gadaunawilo pasuxismgebloba.

opozicias aRmatebul

WrilSi ar vuyureb, magram

Seqmnil viTarebaze pasuxismgebloba

srulad ekisreba xelisuflebas.

„qarTuli ocneba” realurad

dgas avtomatiT, opozicia

_ SiSveli xelebiT. erTaderTi,

rac SeiZleba Cvens opozicias

daswamo es aris uniaToba.

maT molaparakebebis CaSla ar

unda dabraldes. yvelafris miuxedavad,

am opoziciam saxis SenarCuneba

SeZlo.

_ raSi gamoixateba saxis Se-

narCuneba?

_ opozicia isev ar aRiarebs

gayalbebuli arCevnebis Sedegebs

da parlaments boikots ucxadebs.

asec unda iyos. arCevnebi

aris gayalbebuli. mniSvneloba

ar aqvs, ras ityvian „girCebi” da

aleko elisaSvili. arsebuli

saarCevno sistema veranair kritikas

ver uZlebs. imaze saubari,

rom „qarTuli ocneba” raRacaze

apirebda xelis moweras, ar

mjera. egre magaT 2019 wels srulad

proporciul sistemaze gadasvlis

pirobac dades da gadagvagdes.

es opoziciasac kargad

axsovs. amitomac aRar Cahyva

axla xelisuflebas mis TamaSSi.

_ arc im SemTxvevaSi unda

Cahyoloda, Tuki molaparakebe-

bi dasavleTis CarTulobiT

gaimarTeboda?

_ mniSvneloba ar aqvs, am molaparakebaSi

miSeli Caereoda

Tu danielsoni. opozicia sworad

moiqca, „ocnebas” rom ar

Cahyva.

_ Tu araferi unda daeTmoT,

ratom dajda opozicia mola-

parakebebis magidasTan?

_ opoziciam swori gadaw-

yvetileba miiRo, molaparakebebis

magidasTan rom dajda. uari

rom eTqvaT, amas xelisufleba

saTavisod gamoiyenebda. molaparakebaze

dajdoma swori gadawyvetileba

iyo, iseve rogorc

SeTanxmebis xelmoweraze uaris

Tqma.

ra SeTanxmebis miRwevazea

saubari, roca nika melia da giorgi

rurua cixeSi arian?! am

SeTanxmebiT ivaniSvili arc

arafers kargavda. movlenebs 31

oqtombris gadmosaxedidan SevxedoT.

ivaniSvili jer xom raRacaze

gevaWreba, mere tyved aiyvans

viRacebs da ukve imaTiT

gvevaWreba. bolos rac hqonda,

isic rCeba. plus am vaWrobiT

kidev damatebiT dividendebs

Rebulobs. opozicia am SeTanxmebiT

verafers igebda. erTader-

Ti gamarjveba SeiZleboda, melias

gamoSveba yofiliyo. an magaze

ratom midis saubari? es adamiani

isedac unda gamouSvan. an

saerTod ratom aris cixeSi? magram

xom giTxariT, ivaniSvils

tyveebiT vaWroba sCvevia. opozicia

rom parlamentSi Sesuliyo,

nikas aravin daiWerda.

opozicias SeTanxmebisTvis

rom moewera xeli, biZina ivaniSvils

moparuli arCevnebi xaxviviT

SerCeboda. am SemTxvevaSi,

opozicia sworad moiqca, rom ivaniSvilis

TamaSs ar ahyva. politpatimrebis

gamoSvebiT araferi

Seicvleboda. Tanac egeni

politpatimrebi ki ara, ivaniSvilis

tyveebi arian, romlebic

unda gamouSvan. vadamdeli arCevnebic

unda dainiSnos da dainiSneba

kidevac.

_ ratom unda dainiSnos vadamdeli

arCevnebi? amis aucileblobas

zogierTi evropar-

lamentaric ver xedavs.

_ imitom unda dainiSnos, rom

arCevnebi gayalbda. gayalbeba

rom arc yofiliyo da „ocnebas”

1000%-iT moego es arCevnebi,

mainc vadamdeli unda dainiSnos

da avxsni, ratomac: modiT, vTqvaT,

visi wyalobiT da reitingiT

aiRo „qarTulma ocnebam” xmebi

bolo arCevnebze. es biZina ivaniSvilisa

da giorgi gaxarias damsaxurebaa.

dRes arc gaxariaa „qarTul

ocnebaSi” da arc _ biZina

ivaniSvili.

_ gaxaria ki wavida „ocnebi-

dan”, magram biZina ivaniSvilis

wasvla saeWvoa. amis aravis

sjera.

_ oficialurad xom wavida

oTar kvirikaSvili:

`ra SeTanxmebis

miRwevazea saubari,

roca nika melia

da giorgi rurua

cixeSi arian?!~

ivaniSvili? is oficialurad aRar

ereva partiis saqmeebSi. am

ori adamianis wasvliT „qarTulma

ocnebam” legitimacia dakarga.

mmarTvel partias legitimacia

aRar aqvs. qveyanaSi gaqanebuli

ekonomikuri krizisia: CamoiSala

lari, qveyana defoltis

winaSe dgas. produqtebze yoveldRiurad

katastrofulad

izrdeba fasebi. kovidis garSemo

korufcia yvavis. Cavarda vaqcinacia.

yvela mimarTulebiT Cavardna

aqvs xelisuflebas. ar

mesmis, am krizisis fonze rogor

SeiZleba, normaluri adamiani vadamdelis

daniSvnaze ar fiqrobdes?

_ moaruli xmebiT, mmarTvel

partiaSi fiqroben vadamdelis

daniSvnaze da amitomac wavida

gaxaria gundidan.

_ viRacebi SeiZleba marTla

fiqroben vadamdel arCevnebze.

„ocnebaSi” ician, rom Cveni ekonomika

am kriziss veRar gauZlebs

da CamoiSleba. pasuxismgeblobis

mTeli tvirTi daawveba

„ocnebas”. maT es ar undaT da

cdiloben, opoziciasac ahkidon

pasuxismgebloba. vadamdel ar-

Cevnebs araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar

daTanxmdeba kobaxiZe-mdinaraZis

jgufi. es marginalebi ara mgonia,

imaze fiqrobdnen, rom vinmes

gadaunawilon Zalaufleba.

_ risi gadamnawileblebi arian,

Zlivs Caigdes xelSi Zalau-

fleba.

_ normalur qveyanaSi amaT

soflis sakrebulos ar Caabarebda

kaci. axla qveyanas marTaven.

Zalaufleba dRes marginalebis

xelSia. Zlivs moeswrnen raRacas

da daTmobaze ar wavlen. yvelafers

gaakeTeben, rom saqme

xelaxal arCevnebamde ar mivides.

mosaxleobisgan wnexi sanam ar

`gaxaria iyo ruseTis moqalqe, is saqmianobda

ruseTSi. iq aqvs seriozuli kavSirebi. mis

biografias Tu gadavxedavT, vnaxavT, rom

karierulad Zalian swrafad dawinaurda.

ruseTSi aseTi raRacebi ase martivad da

SemTxveviT ar xdeba. es mafiqrebinebs, rom mas

ruseTSi raRac sxva kavSirebi aqvs. SesaZloa,

moskovi mas ivaniSvilis alternativad

amzadebdes. ra aqvs am adamians Cafiqrebuli,

es iqedan gamoCndeba, Tu ra kategoriis xalxs

daiyenebs gverdiT~

iqneba, araferi gamova. evropis

wnexis imedi didad ar maqvs.

_ evropis wnexis imedi ratom

ar gaqvT?

_ gakeTebuli gancxadebebiT

Tu vimsjelebT, aSkaraa, rom

evroparlamentarebis nawili aq

arsebul viTarebas kargad ar

icnobs. vinc icnobs, isinic Tavs

ikavebs realobaze saubrisgan.

Tavs ikaveben imitom, rom xvdebian,

ra Secdomac dauSves

saqarTvelos xelisuflebasTan

mimarTebiT.

_ ra Secdoma dauSves?

_ eseni ase Tavis nebaze rom

miuSves, es iyo Zalian didi Secdoma.

_ zemoT gaxaria da ivaniSvilis

„ocnebidan” wasvla gaix-

seneT. Tqveni azriT, es ori

rame fokuss xom ar amzadebs?

2013 wels ivaniSvilma Tqva, rom

Tu „ocnebis” gezi ar moewone-

boda, Tavad Seqmnida opozicias.

_ ivaniSvilma Tavis bolo interviuSic

saintereso rame Tqva.

aRniSna, bednieri viqnebi, Tu

„ocneba” opoziciaSi gadava da

xelisuflebis saTaveSi profesionalebi

movleno. araferi

gamoricxuli ar aris, magram

ratomRac, mgonia, rom gaxaria

ufro damoukidebel TamaSs

TamaSobs, is ivaniSvilis proeqti

ar unda iyos.

_ ratom fiqrobT, rom

damoukidebel TamaSs TamaSobs?

_ gaxaria iyo ruseTis moqalqe,

is saqmianobda ruseTSi. iq

aqvs seriozuli kavSirebi. magis

biografias Tu gadavxedavT,

vnaxavT, rom karierulad Zalian

swrafad dawinaurda. ruseTSi

aseTi raRacebi ase martivad da

SemTxveviT ar xdeba. es mafiqrebinebs,

rom mas ruseTSi raRac

sxva kavSirebi aqvs. SesaZloa,

moskovi mas ivaniSvilis alternativad

amzadebdes. ra aqvs am

adamians Cafiqrebuli, es iqedan

gamoCndeba, Tu ra kategoriis

xalxs daiyenebs gverdiT. rac ar

unda vilaparakoT, faqtia, rom

dRes opozicia gamarginalebulia.

bevr maTgans mxrebze awevs

im cxra wlis simZime. zogs cxr-

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