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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
yovelkvireuli gazeTi<br />
eqskluzivi<br />
sosos<br />
gamodis samSabaTobiT N46 (177) 27.12<br />
12.201<br />
.2016 fasi 2 lari<br />
rekviemi<br />
gv. 7<br />
susis ufrosis moadgile<br />
kudis agenti iyo?!<br />
gv. 2<br />
ratom Cavida kaxa<br />
kalaZe okupirebul<br />
afxazeTSi?<br />
gv. 4<br />
vasil papava: aris Tu ara `qeqiebis~<br />
`arabuli gazafxulis~<br />
safrTxe didia,<br />
saWiroa prevenciuli<br />
zomebi!~<br />
mkvlelobis saqme<br />
Tamaz TamazaSvilis<br />
damokles maxvili?!<br />
gv. 16 gv. 25<br />
`qronika+~-is Semdegi nomeri gamova 17 ianvars<br />
N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.<br />
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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
susis ufrosis moadgile<br />
25 dekembers saqarTvelos pa-<br />
eliso kilaZe<br />
triarqis aRsaydrebidan 39 weli<br />
599 17 12 12<br />
gavida. patriarqi saiubileo<br />
Ronis<br />
isZiebebs janmrTelobis mdgomareobis<br />
gauaresebis gamo ar daswrebia. dapirispireba, romel-<br />
ic sapatriarqos SigniT wlebis ganmavlobaSi arsebobda, ukve<br />
sajaro gaxda. patriarqis taxtisTvis erTmaneTs ramdenime<br />
dajgufeba ebrZvis. amis naTeli dasturi iyo 22 dekembers<br />
Catarebuli sinodis sxdoma da sxdomamde ganviTarebuli mov-<br />
lenebi. sinodis wevrebi ukve Riad upirispirdebian erTmaneTs.<br />
„qronika +“-is wyaros informaciiT,<br />
sapatriarqoSi bevrad<br />
ufro mZimedaa saqme, vidre es er-<br />
Ti SexedviT da garedan Cans. sinodis<br />
wevrebi or banakad arian<br />
gayofili, erTi mxriv, kaTolikos-patriarqis<br />
mxardamWeri<br />
asturebda, rom sazogadoebaSi<br />
maRali ndobis xarisxiT swored<br />
saqarTvelos kaTolikos patriarqi,<br />
uwmindesi da unetaresi,<br />
ilia II sargeblobs, amitom patriarqis<br />
diskreditacia martivi namdvilad<br />
ar iqneba. es yvelas kar-<br />
informaciis nawili miawoda. meufe<br />
Teodore WuaZe, am informaciis<br />
mixedviTac ki, sxva meufeebisgan<br />
gansxvavebiT, aranair saeWvo<br />
kavSirebSi mxilebuli ar aris,<br />
arc damnaSaveTa samyarosTan da<br />
„kanonier qurdebTan“ misi kavSiri<br />
ikveTeba, Teodore WuaZe wlebis<br />
ganmavlobaSi q.Tbilisis sasuliero<br />
seminariis reqtori gaxldaT<br />
da mas Zalian axlo urTierToba<br />
aqvs belgiaSi qarTuli<br />
saTvistomos winamZRvarTan, oTar<br />
qurcikiZesTan. gavrcelebuli<br />
informaciiT, meufe Teodore samomavlod<br />
kaTolikos patriarqis<br />
memkvidred moiazreba.<br />
aseve sajarod daiwyo patriarqis<br />
mdivan-referentis, Sorena<br />
an ( mag. nauli janaSia, q.moskovis<br />
metropolitenis erT-erTi xelmZRvaneli<br />
), aseve moskovSi mcxovreb<br />
biznesmen paata xurcilavasTan<br />
da a.S. mrevlSi gavrcelebuli<br />
azriT, meufe petre aseve<br />
moiazrebs sakuTar Tavs kaTolikos-patriarqis<br />
memkvidred.<br />
mowinaaRmdege jgufis erTerTi<br />
samizne patriarqis piradi<br />
dacva da misi xelmZRvaneli soso<br />
oxanaSvili gaxda, romelic, amavdroulad,<br />
uwmindesis ZmisSvilis,<br />
mitropolit dimitris (SiolaSvili<br />
) siZea. amjerad, misi<br />
mbraldebeli meufe iakobi gamodga.<br />
meufe iakobi aqtiur asparezze<br />
irakli RaribaSvilis Ss<br />
ministrobis dros gamoCnda, misi<br />
tiurad TanamSromlobda da mas<br />
am saqmeSi misive „naxalovkeli“<br />
mezobeli, „kudis“ TanamSromeli<br />
exmareboda.<br />
„qronika +“-is wyaros informaciiT,<br />
„kudis“ TanamSromeli,<br />
romelmac soso gogaSvili gadaibira,<br />
giorgi (gogita) papaSvilia.<br />
es is periodia, roca soso gogaSvils<br />
„naxalovkaSi“ maRazia<br />
aqvs da farSis distribuciiTa<br />
dakavebuli, papaSvili mas Tan<br />
„kriSavda“ da Tan informaciis<br />
miwodebas sTxovda.<br />
gogita papaSvili wina xelisuflebis<br />
dros jer energetikis<br />
saministros, mogvianebiT ki garemos<br />
dacvis saministros odeeri<br />
iyo. roca gogita papaSvili sam-<br />
soso gogaSvili<br />
gogita papaSvili<br />
mRvdelmTavrebi, xolo, meore<br />
mxriv, is meufeebi da maTdami<br />
daqvemdebarebuli RvTismsaxurebi,<br />
romlebsac gadawyvetili aqvT,<br />
patriarqis sicocxleSive moaxdinon<br />
cvlileba,misi iZulebis wesiT<br />
gadayenebis gziT, rac saqar-<br />
Tvelos uaxles istoriaSi ar momxdara.<br />
am scenaris ganxorcielebisas<br />
misi avtorebi da Semsruleblebi<br />
mimarTaven bolSevikuri xanis „enkavedes“<br />
muSaobisaTvis damaxasiaTebel<br />
formebs da meTodebs,<br />
sakuTari momxreebis mosyidvas,<br />
mowinaaRmdegeebis komprometirebas,<br />
maT moSorebas da mimdinare<br />
destruqciuli movlenebis saku-<br />
Tari interesebis sasargeblod<br />
gaSuqebas.<br />
22 dekembris sinodis sxdomis<br />
Catarebas win uZRoda patriarqis<br />
momxreebis diskreditaciis mcdeloba.<br />
qveyanaSi mTavrobebisa da politikuri<br />
liderebis cvlilebebis<br />
kvaldakval yvela kvleva ad-<br />
gad esmis, Tumca misi momxreebis<br />
diskreditaciis mcdeloba, bolo<br />
dros, gansakuTrebiT TvalSisacemi<br />
gaxda. amas daemata is faqtic,<br />
rom yvelasaTvis moulodnelad,<br />
sapatriarqos delegacia<br />
briuselSi natos Stab-binas ewvia.<br />
delegacias mitropoliti Teodore<br />
(WuaZe ) xelmZRvanelobda.<br />
natoSi stumrobis faqtma, rogorc<br />
Cans, xelisuflebis garkveuli<br />
wreebi da sapatriarqos rusuli<br />
gavlenebis qveS myofi nawili<br />
SeaSfoTa da am faqtis mere daiwyo<br />
patriarqis erTguli adamianebis<br />
winaaRmdeg Savi piaris agoreba.<br />
pirveli samizne swored mitropoliti<br />
Teodore gaxda. xelisuflebasTan<br />
daaxloebulma<br />
mediam igi simbolur fasad, erT<br />
larad, sapatriarqos sakuTreba-<br />
Si arsebuli sacxovrebeli far-<br />
Tis miTvisebaSi daadanaSaula.<br />
„qronika +“-s, Tavis droze, sando<br />
wyarom „kudSi“ saeklesio pirebze<br />
mopovebuli operatiuli<br />
TeTruaSvilis dadanaSauleba sapatriarqoSi<br />
mimdinare uaryofi-<br />
Ti procesebis TiTqos waqezebamarTvaSi,<br />
rac patriarqis mowinaaRmdege<br />
gundis erT-erTi TvalsaCino<br />
warmomadgenlis, mitropolit<br />
petres (caava) mier gaJRerda.<br />
iyo dro, petre caava axalaiebis<br />
mzes ificebda da roland<br />
axalaias ordenebiT ajildoebda,<br />
xelisuflebis Secvlis mere ki<br />
meufe petre meocnebe gaxda da<br />
is saparlamento arCevnebze aqtiurad<br />
exmareboda „ocnebis“ ma-<br />
Joritari deputatobis kandidats,<br />
oTar danelias. gaweuli samsaxuris<br />
sanacvlod, oTar daneliam<br />
meufe petres martvilSi saxlic<br />
ki aCuqa. aRarafers vambob<br />
im araerT pikantur skandalze,<br />
romelSic meufe petre periodulad<br />
exveoda xolme. „qronika +“-<br />
is wyaros informaciiT, meufe petres<br />
mudmivad hqonda kavSiri<br />
ruseTSi mcxovreb „kanonier qurdebTan“<br />
( klimenti kekutia ), qarTuli<br />
warmoSobis biznesmenebT-<br />
aqtiuroba RaribaSvilis mxridan<br />
piradad biZina ivaniSvilTan iyo<br />
SeTanxmebuli, xolo RaribaSvilis<br />
politikidan wasvlis mere<br />
iakobi, arc meti arc naklebi,<br />
sus-is ufrosis moadgile soso<br />
gogaSvilma gadmoibara.<br />
„qronika +“-is wyaros informaciiT,<br />
patriarqsa da mis gundze<br />
radikaluri Setevis organizatori<br />
da mTavari moqmedi piri<br />
saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis samsaxuris<br />
ufrosis pirveli moadgile,<br />
soso gogaSvilia, romelic, dReis<br />
mdgomareobiT, SvebulebaSi<br />
imyofeba da Tu misma SantaJma ar<br />
gaWra,maSin samsaxurSi veRar dabrundeba.<br />
rogor daiwyo soso gogaSvilis<br />
urTierToba eklesiasTan da<br />
„kudTan“? tyuilad fiqrobT,<br />
rom rame SemeSala da sus-i unda<br />
damewera. „qronika +“-is wyaros<br />
informaciiT, saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis<br />
samsaxuris ufrosis<br />
SvebulebaSi myofi moadgile wina<br />
xelisuflebis dros „kudTan“ aq-<br />
saxurebrivi gadacdomebis gamo<br />
CamoaqveiTes, igi patronaJis qveS<br />
„kudis“ ufrosis moadgile vaJa<br />
leluaSvilma aiyvana. „kudSi“<br />
mxolod orma adamianma icoda,<br />
rom gogita papaSvilma erovnulsarwmunoebrivi<br />
moZraobis aqtivisti<br />
soso gogaSvili gadaibira.<br />
erTi maTgani vaJa leluaSvili,<br />
meore maTgani gia CixlaZe iyo,<br />
vaJa leluaSvili cixeSi zis, gia<br />
CixlaZe sus-Si muSaobs, xolo<br />
gogita papaSvili gogaSvilma sus-<br />
Si misvlisTanave moiSora Tavidan.<br />
Cveni wyaro imasac ambobs,<br />
rom man „kudTan“ misi TanamSromlobis<br />
dokumentacia gaanadgura,<br />
magram am dokumentebis aslebi<br />
ramdenime adgilas inaxeba da Tu<br />
biZina ivaniSvili moindomebs, mis-<br />
Tvis Zneli ar unda iyos am informaciis<br />
gadamowmeba.<br />
pirveli „seriozuli“ davaleba<br />
soso gogaSvilma 2011 wlis<br />
maisSi Seasrula. 2011 wels, 26<br />
maisis sisxliani darbevis mere,<br />
erovnul-sarwmunoebrivi moZr-<br />
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`kudis~ agenti iyo?!<br />
meufe petre<br />
Sorena<br />
TeTruaSvili<br />
Tobebi ruis-urbnisis mitropolit<br />
iobTan (aqiaSvili ), romelic<br />
patriarqis biZaSvilia. swored<br />
meufe iobis winaaRmdeg iyo<br />
mimarTuli soso gogaSvilis<br />
erT-erTi pirveli sadamsjelo<br />
nabiji, rogorc ki „antrikota“<br />
sus-Si dainiSna. sapatriarqoSi<br />
gogaSvilis interesebis gamtarebelma<br />
qorepiskoposma iakobma (iakobaSvili<br />
) „antrikotas“ colis<br />
axlo naTesavs, meufe svimeons<br />
(cakaSvili), meufe iakobis gazrdil<br />
da ndobiT aRWurvil pirs,<br />
gogaSvilis davalebiT axali<br />
suramisa da xaSuris eparqia Seuqmna<br />
meufe iobis eparqiuli teritoriis<br />
xarjze.<br />
swored qorepisqoposi iakobi<br />
gamoiyeneba soso gogaSvilis<br />
mxridan sapatriarqoSi radikaluri<br />
procesebis gasaRviveblad.<br />
aravisTvis ucxo ar aris, rom<br />
iakobi xSirad stumrobda „antrikotas“<br />
„modulis“ SenobaSic. axlac,<br />
swored iakobi ibrZvis patriarqisaTvis<br />
dacvis mosaSoreblad<br />
da amiT uwmindesis ZmisSvilis<br />
poziciebis Sesasusteblad.<br />
gogaSvilis xeli urevia meufe<br />
Todores (WuaZe) diskreditaciis<br />
saqmeSi, romelic man sus-is mier<br />
dafinansebuli mediis saSualebiT<br />
ganaxorciela. gogaSvilis<br />
xelSia simbolur fasebad gasxvisebuli<br />
qonebis sruli baza da<br />
am informacias igi sxvadasxva dapirispirebisa<br />
da gavlenis mosapoveblad<br />
xSirad iyenebs. magram,<br />
amasTan, saguldagulod malavs<br />
kompromatebs sakuTari „gundis“<br />
wevris, foTis mitropolit grigolis<br />
(berbiWaSvili) Sesaxeb, romelic<br />
marTlac flobs uzarmazar<br />
binas WonqaZisa da CitaZis qu-<br />
Cebis gadakveTaze mdebare elitarul<br />
saxlSi. msgavsi informaciis<br />
gavrceleba tabudadebuli<br />
Temaa. sxvaTa Soris, meufe<br />
grigoli warsulSi oTxjernasamarTlevia:<br />
147-e muxlis III nawili _ `TaRliToba<br />
kvalificiuri saxiT~;<br />
1983 w.<br />
150-e muxlis II nawili _ `qurdoba~;<br />
1983 w.<br />
144-e muxlis II nawili _ `kvalificiuri<br />
qurdoba~; 1985 w.<br />
196-e muxlis II nawili _ `yalbi<br />
beWdisa da sxvadasxva sabuTebis<br />
damzadeba~ 1987 w.<br />
swored es pirovnebaa soso<br />
gogaSvilis erT-erTi sayrdeni,<br />
romelic gamwvavebuli situaciis<br />
fonze gamoCndeba sajaro komentarebiT<br />
da Riad daiWers patriarqis<br />
mowinaaRmdegeebis mxares.<br />
SemTxveviTi arc is faqtia,<br />
rom soso gogaSvilisTvis auRebel<br />
cixesimagres, Sorena TeTruaSvils,<br />
meufe petrem Savi piari<br />
augora, romelic, Tavis droze,<br />
sakuTar saxlSi ifarebda megis<br />
qardavas da sxva cnobil damna-<br />
Saveebs da swored man Seuwyo<br />
xeli qveynidan maT gayvanas.<br />
soso gogaSvils daufaravi survili<br />
aqvs, xelT Caigdos sapatriarqoSi<br />
mimdinare movlenebis<br />
sadaveebi. taqtikuri TvalsazrisiT<br />
es procesi mis mier kontrolirebad<br />
iseT procesebSi<br />
hpovebs ganviTarebas, rogoric<br />
aris sakuTari kadrebiT dakompleqtebul<br />
da Tavisi zegavlenis<br />
qveS myof eparqiebSi, rac Sei-<br />
Zleba, meti agenti aRkvecos berad<br />
da mRvdlis xarisxi miaRebinos,<br />
raTa Semdgom maTi desantireba<br />
moxdes daumorCilebel<br />
eparqiebSi _ Sesabamisi propagandisa<br />
da iq mimdinare movlenebze<br />
informaciis mopovebis mizniT.<br />
ase magaliTad, aWaris regionSi<br />
aseT gavlenian pirs warmoadgens<br />
mama sergi ruxaZe,baTumis wm. nikolozis<br />
saxelobis taZris winam-<br />
ZRvari, romelsac „antrikota“<br />
aqtiurad iyenebs meufe dimitris<br />
winaaRmdeg. sergi ruxaZis meSveobiT<br />
iRebs gogaSvili informacias<br />
rogorc meufe dimitris saqmianobis<br />
Sesaxeb, aseve misi meSveobiT<br />
xdeba patriarqis ZmisSvilze<br />
araerTi cru informaciis<br />
gavrcelebac.<br />
bolo periodSi soso gogaSvili<br />
sapatriarqoze gadacemuli<br />
miwebis, fermebisa da sxvadasxva<br />
meufe iakobi<br />
meurneobis bediTac dainteresda,<br />
is xSirad stumrobs eparqiebs,<br />
mefutkreobis,mecxoveleobisa da<br />
sxva saxis meurneobebs, raTa maTi<br />
inventarizacia moaxdinos da Tavisi<br />
samomavlo zraxvebis ganxorcielebis<br />
mizniT sameurneo xelmZRvanelebad<br />
aseve Tavisi ndobiT<br />
arWurvil pirebs niSnavs.<br />
„qronika +“-is wyaros informaciiT,<br />
soso gogaSvilis gegmeb-<br />
Si aqtiurad ikiTxeba ori mimarTuleba:<br />
pirveli _ im Zalebis<br />
gegmebi, romelsac wlebis ganmavlobaSi<br />
soso gogaSvili aqtiurad<br />
emsaxureba da romlebic ukve aTi<br />
welia, uSedegod cdiloben an<br />
fizikurad mospon patriarqi, an<br />
moaxdinon misi Canacvleba Tavisi<br />
kandidaturiT da meore _ sakuTriv<br />
soso gogaSvilma Seinar-<br />
Cunos Tavisi gavlenebi arCevnebze<br />
sapatriarqoSi Canergili misive<br />
agenturis meSveobiT. ramdenad<br />
moaxerxebs soso gogaSvili<br />
sakuTari gegmebis ganxorcielebas,<br />
es ukve axali wlis dasawyis-<br />
Si gairkveva, radgan sus-Si imdenad<br />
mZime dapirispirebaa dawyebuli,<br />
rom procesebis finalis<br />
prognozireba, am etapze, yvelas<br />
uWirs. „qronika +“-s sakuTari<br />
wyaro eubneba, rom „kudTan“ soso<br />
gogSvilis TanamSromlobis sxva<br />
faqtebsa da dokumentebs movlenebis<br />
ganviTarebis kvaldakval<br />
miawvdis.<br />
aobis ramdenime wevrma ruis-urbnisis<br />
eparqiis yinwvisis mTavarangelozis<br />
saxelobis monasters<br />
Seafara Tavi. „qronika +“-is wyaros<br />
informaciiT, maTi adgilsamyofelis<br />
Taobaze informacia<br />
„kuds“ swored soso gogaSvilma<br />
miawoda. Cveni wyaro adasturebs,<br />
rom es gogaSvilis „kudTan“<br />
pirveli TanamSromloba ar yofila.<br />
e.w. yinwvisis saqmeSi Setanili<br />
„wvlilis“ gamo soso gogaSvilma<br />
samudamod gaifuWa urTiervin<br />
moiazreba patriarqis Semcvlelad?!<br />
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eliso kilaZe<br />
599 17 12 12<br />
okupirebul afxazeTSi, ker-<br />
Zod, galSi, samxedro qalaqi gaSendeba. amis Taobaze mwiri<br />
informacia qarTuli mediiT ukve gaJRerda. „qronika+” pirve-<br />
lia, romelmac samxedro qalaqis mSeneblobisa da gudauTis<br />
daxuruli samxedro bazis fotoebi moipova.<br />
ra xdeba galSi? romeli hesi<br />
unda amuSavdes da ratom stum-<br />
robda okupirebul afxazeTs vi-<br />
ce-premieri kaxi kalaZe? igegmeba<br />
Tu ara ruxSi bazrobis gaxsna? am<br />
da sxva mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze<br />
„qronika+”-s saintereso faqtebs<br />
awvdis afxazuri opoziciis erTerTi<br />
lideri, de faqto xelisu-<br />
flebis yofili samxedro maRal-<br />
Cinosani, zulfi aCusba:<br />
_ galis raionis samxedro qalaqad<br />
gamocxadeba kremlis politikis<br />
gamarjvebis zenitia. 2008<br />
wlis omis Semdeg buferuli zonis<br />
Seqmna galis raionis samxedro<br />
qalaqad gamocxadebas isaxavda miznad.<br />
ruseTis Tavdacvis saministros<br />
generalitetis dayofiT galsa<br />
da oCamCire-akarmaras mimdebare<br />
teritoriaze, 25 (ocdaxuTi)<br />
axali saguSago da 7 (Svidi) samxedro<br />
baza unda aSendes. akarmaras<br />
dasaxleba mTlianad daxurul samxedro<br />
garnizonad gamocxaddeba,<br />
sadac ganTavsdeba samxedro vertmfrenebis<br />
baza, angrebi da haersawinaaRmdego<br />
danadgarebi. aseve, simaRleebze<br />
sof. primorskSi, RaliZgaSi,<br />
saTanjoSi, lekixonasa da<br />
CeRalSi gzebis gayvana mimdinarebs,<br />
sadac sacecxle wertilebi amuSavdeba<br />
da vertmfrensawinaaRmdego<br />
danadgarebi damontaJdeba.<br />
rkinigzis gayvana dranda-pirveli<br />
galis monakveTze meoTxe welia,<br />
ganaxlda. Zveli ganZelebis ayra<br />
zafxulSi daiwyo. gzis napirze<br />
maRali Zabvis axali boZebi daayenes,<br />
sadenebis gayvana primorskamde<br />
Sesrulebulia. samuSaoebi okupaciis<br />
xazamde grZeldeba. dReis<br />
monacemebiT, galis dabali zonis<br />
soflebSi, asobiT Camoyvanili samxedro<br />
sangrebis mSeneblobiT aris<br />
dakavebuli. okupantebis gegmis<br />
mixedviT, okupaciis xazis gaswvriv<br />
3 m. siganisa da 5 m. siRrmis sangrebi<br />
gakeTdeba. sqemis aseT dagegmarebas<br />
ori daniSnuleba aqvs: mZime<br />
teqnikisTvis gaTvaliswinebul<br />
samxedro sangrebSi tanksawinaaRmdego<br />
naRmebi da eleqtosadenebi<br />
Caideba. aseve galis maRali zonis<br />
soflebSi ramdenime saguSago betonis<br />
filebiT gamagrdeba da wyalsawreti<br />
drenaJebic gaTvaliswinebuli<br />
iqneba. ZiriTadad, axali<br />
blokpostebis mSenebloba ase-<br />
Ti principiT aris dagegmili da<br />
SeiaraRebis Sesanaxadac gamoiyeneba.<br />
rusi generlebis gaTvliT, saomari<br />
viTarebis Seqmnisas engurs<br />
gaRma mdebare qarTul soflebSi<br />
okupantebis jari mZime teqnikiT<br />
Cadgeba. afxazeTidan SemoWris Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi, okupaciis xazis mosazRvre<br />
soflebSi, blok-saguSagoebs<br />
gaxsnian da buferul zonas aRadgenen,<br />
aseve, rusul bazebs im adgilebSi<br />
ganalageben, sadac 2008<br />
wlamde iyvnen dislocirebuli:<br />
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da senaki-menjis gzaze. saomar situaciaSi,<br />
generalitetis gegmis<br />
mixedviT, okupantebi mZime teqnikiT<br />
TeklaTTan, foTis gadasaxvevis<br />
mopirdapired, axal saguSagos<br />
gaxsnian. es adgili erT-erTi<br />
strategiuli adgilia, saidanac<br />
senakis samxedro bazasa da foTis<br />
centralur trasas gaakontroleben.<br />
aseve, foTSi orive rusuli<br />
samxedro baza aRdgeba da zRvis<br />
akvatoria gakontroldeba. am gegmis<br />
paralelurad, saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebis sapasuxo reaqcia<br />
SerCeviTi iqneba, isini amaze SeTanxmebulebi<br />
arian, amitom samxedro<br />
gegmis ganxorcielebas, Sei-<br />
Zleba, realuri omi arc dasWirdes.<br />
afxazeTis okupaciis xazis siaxlovis<br />
soflebSi _ fiCorSi, otobaiaSi,<br />
refsa da sidaSi erTi kviraa,<br />
damatebiT muSebi da sangrebis<br />
gasaTxrelad saWiro specteqnika<br />
krasnodaridan Camoiyvanes. 15<br />
dekembers oCamCireSi axlad aRdgenil<br />
rkinigzis sadgurSi ganZelebiTa<br />
da liandagiT datvirTuli<br />
eSeloni Camodga. pirveladi moxreSviTi<br />
samuSaoebi primorskamde<br />
ukve Sesrulebulia. fiCoris samxedro<br />
baza dRes okupirebul dabal<br />
zonaSi yvelaze didi samxedro<br />
bazaa, saidanac mTlianad zRvis akvatoria<br />
kontroldeba da uaxlesi<br />
radio-lokaciuri danadgarebi-<br />
Taa aRWurvili. gudauTis bazaSi<br />
mZime teqnika da samxedro vertmfrenebi<br />
ganaaxles. iq ganTavsebuli<br />
mZime SeiaraReba ki akarmaris<br />
gzaze axlad gaSenebul saguSagoebSi<br />
gadaanawiles.<br />
babuSeras aeroportSi 10 oqtombers<br />
ruseTis genStabis warmomadgenlebi<br />
iyvnen Camosulebi, Sexvedra<br />
daxuruli iyo, azomviTi<br />
samuSaoebi da dagegmareba StabSi<br />
erTi kvira mimdinareobda. maketis<br />
mixedviT Zveli asafreni biliki<br />
mTlianad ganaxldeba, daemateba<br />
axali 210 metri sigrZisa da 13<br />
metri siganis biliki. babuSeras<br />
aeroporti samxedro daniSnulebis<br />
iqneba. sangrebTan erTad SeiaraRebis<br />
didi sawyobi aSendeba. aeroportamde<br />
axali misasvleli gza<br />
gahyavT. samxedro vertmfrenebi,<br />
romlebic afxazur SeiaraRebas<br />
hyavda, Ì8, ÌÈÃ29, ÌÈÃ31, SesakeTeblad<br />
maisSi ruseTis qalaq<br />
tulaSi Caiyvanes. manamde mfrinavebi<br />
kvalifikaciis asamaRlebel<br />
treningebs maikopis samxedro-saswavlo<br />
centrSi gadiodnen. afxazi<br />
mfrinavebis nawili krasnodaris<br />
meSvide wiTeli armiis kutuzovis<br />
saxelobis samxedro bazaSi daasaqmes,<br />
xolo gamocdili mfrinavebis<br />
nawili isev soxumSi daabrunes.<br />
yvela maTgans ruseTis moqalaqeoba<br />
mianiWes da pasportebTan erTad<br />
„fbs”-s saSvebic dauriges. maTi<br />
SromiTi xelSekruleba ruseTis<br />
Tavdacvis saministros genStabTan<br />
aris gaaformebuli.<br />
ratom Cavida<br />
kaxa kalaZe<br />
okupirebul<br />
afxazeTSi?<br />
afxazeTis mosaxleobas aseTi<br />
farTomasStabiani samuSaoebi jer<br />
ar axsovs... albaT, „Cemi respublikis”<br />
okupacia dasasrulisken<br />
midis.<br />
(SeniSvnebis miuxedavad, zulfi<br />
aCusbam afxazeTi mainc calke<br />
moixsenia, Tumca, misive TqmiT,<br />
afxazi xalxi, rogorc arasdros,<br />
isea dafiqrebuli).<br />
_ bolo dros ganviTarebuli es<br />
movlenebi soxumSi xelisuflebis<br />
Secvlis moTxovniT gamarTuli xalxmravali<br />
mitingebis mizezi gaxda.<br />
raul xajimbas minskis „kgb”-s<br />
skola aqvs damTavrebuli, is<br />
„fbs”-s polkovniki da warmatebuli<br />
TanamSromeli iyo... kremlma<br />
dagvisva prezidentad, amitomac<br />
Cqarobs ruseTi gegmis Sesrulebas,<br />
rom afxazebs araferi afxazuri<br />
ar darCeT. kremlis samxedro<br />
generlebma mfrinavebic SearCies:<br />
ufrosi mfrinavi nodar gerzma,<br />
adgur kviwinia, giorgi faCulia,<br />
ardaS karneciani, inal gumba, zurik<br />
eSba, vadim kviwinia. maT vinaobas<br />
afxazuri opoziciis lideri `qronika+”-s<br />
umxels.<br />
garda putinis morCilebisa, de<br />
faqto prezidenti kremlma dasayrdenad<br />
erTi mTavari mizezis gamo<br />
SearCia: raul xajimba aris Turqi,<br />
raul xaJi-oRli, asimilirebuli<br />
afxazi. mamamisi jer oCamCireSi<br />
cxovrobda, Semdeg gadasaxldnen<br />
soxumSi. xajimba „kgb”-s skola-<br />
Si vladislav arZinbas rekomendaciiT<br />
miiRes. okupirebul afxazeTSi<br />
misi de faqto mmarTvelobis<br />
periodSi Semovida Turquli<br />
samSeneblo kompaniebi, aseve, ramdenime<br />
turistuli firma. xajimba<br />
molaparakebas awarmoebs TurqeT-<br />
Tan „qveynebs Soris” savaWro-ekonomikur<br />
urTierTobaze, afxazeT-<br />
Si Turq moZmeTa batalioni Camoayaliba.<br />
jariskacTa ricxvi dRi-<br />
Ti dRe matulobs. gansxvavebiT<br />
sxva SemTxvevebisa, maT TurqeTis<br />
moqalaqeoba unarCundebaT, daurigdebaT<br />
specialuri formebi,<br />
sadac sacxovrebel adgilad afxazeTia<br />
miTiTebuli. ruseTis wylebis<br />
gavliT soxumSi samSeneblo<br />
masalebiT datvirTuli gemebis<br />
mimosvla didi xania, de faqto xelisuflebis<br />
biznesis Semosavalia,<br />
Tumca sazRvris dacvis katarRebi<br />
TurqeTSi, erTi wlis win, ruseTis<br />
wylebiT gaiyvanes da samxedro<br />
daniSnulebis katarRebad gadaakeTes.<br />
aTive katarRa 26 ivliss<br />
soxumis portSi Semoiyvanes. saqarTveloSi<br />
es ise, ubralod, geCvenebaT?<br />
daaxloebiT erTi wlis<br />
Semdeg ruseTi afxazeTSi afxaz<br />
rigiT jariskacsac ar datovebs<br />
jarSi. kremlTan gaformebuli axali<br />
valdebulebebis mixedviT, wvevamdelebi<br />
ruseTis armiis qvedanayofebSi<br />
samxedro savaldebulo<br />
samsaxurs gaivlian da piriqiT.<br />
afxazeTSi ruseTidan Camoyvanili<br />
jariskacebisTvis oCamCiresa<br />
da soxumSi, „novi raionSi”, evrostandartebis<br />
baza Sendeba, saswavlo<br />
da sawvrTneli centriT. es<br />
yvelaferi galis raionis samxedro<br />
garnizonad gamocxadebas emsaxureba.<br />
Cven mSvidoba gvinda. is,<br />
rac afxazma xalxma gadaitana, amis<br />
ganmeorebiT gadatanas ver Sev-<br />
ZlebT. rasac axla kremli akeTebs,<br />
denTis suni asdis da amas vewinaaRmdegebiT.<br />
saqarTveloSi bevri Wkviani eqspertia,<br />
magram xmauriani azri gamokveTilad<br />
ver movismine, ra Sei-<br />
Zleba am nabijma moitanos samxedro<br />
TvalsazrisiT saqarTvelosTvis<br />
da gaurkveveli bedis afxazeTisTvis?<br />
mesmis, miSa aRaraa<br />
saTaveSi, magram eqpertebis azric<br />
Tan waiRo? axla erTaderTi sazrunavis<br />
gamo vwuxvar, Cvens gadarCenaSi,<br />
Tqveni xmauri Cvens saTqmelsac<br />
msoflios gaagonebda da<br />
protestsac gaamyarebda.<br />
_ iciT, saqarTveloSi akarmaras<br />
daxuruli samxedro nawili evropisTvisac<br />
angariSgasawev saSiSroebas<br />
rom warmoadgens?<br />
akarmara-kakvas uRltexilze,<br />
SaxtebSi mTlianad rusuli specsamxedro<br />
teqnika muSaobs. miwisqveSa<br />
bilikebs, vertmfrenebis angrebsa<br />
da haersawinaaRmdego danadgarebisTvis<br />
specialur sangrebs<br />
isev samxedro muSaxeli asrulebs.<br />
saerTaSoriso konvenciiT amoRe-<br />
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uli „haubicis” haersawinaaRmdego<br />
danadgarebi montaJdeba. ruseTs<br />
Tavdacvis SeiaraRebaSi akarmara<br />
rigiT meore uZlieresi samxedro<br />
baza iqneba, saidanac ruseTi<br />
TurqeT-saqarTvelos saxmeleTo<br />
gzas da akvatorias, saqarTvelos<br />
yvela samxedro bazas gaakontrolebs.<br />
am gegmis ganxorcilebis Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi ruseTi afxazeTisa da<br />
saqarTvelosTvis, sxva dros gadadgmul<br />
nabijTan SedarebiT, yvelaze<br />
saSiS oficialur aneqsias sCadis.<br />
teritoria mTlianad Caketilia<br />
da mxolod rusi samxedroebi,<br />
generlebi da kavSirgabmulobis<br />
specialistebi arian daSvebuli.<br />
isinic „fbs”-s specialuri saSvebiT<br />
gadaadgildebian. samuSao saaTebSi<br />
mobiluri telefonebiT<br />
sargeblobac ekrZalebaT. galis<br />
soflebidan, bazebis siaxloves,<br />
mosaxleobis gasaxlebac igegmeba.<br />
sofel sidaSi heqtrobiT Cais<br />
plantaciis teritoriaze SeniRbuli<br />
miwisqveSa muxluxa javSanmanqanebisa<br />
da sazenito danadgarebisTvis<br />
sangrebis mSenebloba maisamde<br />
gadaido. gegmaSi es adgili<br />
maikopis brigadis „ÐÒ2" saguSagos<br />
saxeliT aris aRniSnuli, generalitetis<br />
gegma ki mTlianad galis<br />
teritorias moicavs.<br />
am gegmis mixedviT, enguris centralur<br />
xidze fsous sabaJo punqts<br />
gadmoitanen, okupaciis xazi<br />
mTlianad Caiketeba da samxedrosaTvalTvalo<br />
saguSagoebi ganTavsdeba.<br />
samxedro qalaqis SemogarenSi<br />
okupaciis xazze fexiT mosiaruleTa<br />
sawinaaRmdego naRmebi<br />
ganTavsdeba, gadasasvlel fonebze<br />
dagegmarebis mixedviT tanksawinaaRmdego<br />
naRmebi orwyebad dalagdeba,<br />
samxedro qalaqis mSeneblobaze<br />
saqarTvelos xelisuflebac<br />
informirebulia.<br />
roca vice-premieri kaxi kalaZe<br />
vardnil hesis wylis dafaruli<br />
turbinebis dasaTvaliereblad<br />
afxazeTSi Cavida, man mSenebare<br />
blok-saguSagoebi gaiara. primorskisa<br />
da reCxis sanapiro, sadac<br />
miwisqveSa angrebis mSenebloba mimdinareobs,<br />
kalaZem fexiT moiara,<br />
radgan mSeneblobis gamo manqaniT<br />
gadaadgileba, zRvis napiramde,<br />
SeuZlebeli iyo.<br />
rusebisTvis samxedro qalaqSi<br />
aucilebelia uwyveti eleqtroenergia<br />
da swored amitom dagegmilia<br />
afxazeTis okupaciis pirveli<br />
dReebidan gaCerebuli vardnilhesis<br />
amoqmedebac. hesis aRdgenis<br />
gegma weliwadnaxevris win daido<br />
da erTaderT mizans _ okupantebis<br />
xelSewyobas, samxedro qalaqis<br />
mSeneblobasa da rkinigzis gayvanas<br />
emsaxureba. Stabis ufrosi general-maiori,<br />
vsevolod griaznovi,<br />
kaxi kalaZes megzurobda. saqarTvelos<br />
xelisufleba galis samxedro<br />
qalaqis SeneblobaSi CarTulia.<br />
sabaJos enguris xidze gadmotanis<br />
Semdeg, zugdidis sofel<br />
ruxSi ergneTis msgavsi didi bazroba<br />
unda aSendes. „ruxi molic”<br />
am proeqtis nawilia.<br />
saboloo aneqsiisTvis, kremli<br />
devnilebis galSi dabrunebas gegmavs.<br />
im ojaxebs daabruneben, romelTa<br />
wevrebs omSi monawileoba ar<br />
miuRiaT, anu vinc araoficialurad<br />
dResac mimosvlas axerxebs.<br />
maT de faqto mTavroba, saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebasTan erTad,<br />
oficialur saxes miscems da saku-<br />
Tar saxlebSi dabrunebas SesTavazebs.<br />
samxedro qalaqis mSeneblobis<br />
gamo visac gasaxleba mouwevs, im<br />
ojaxebs oCamCiresa da soxumSi<br />
garemontebul binebs gadascemen.<br />
am saerTo sacxovrebeli korpusebis<br />
remonti erTi welia, mimdinareobs.<br />
maSin gavrcelda xmebi, TiTqos<br />
samxedroebs Caasaxlebdnen,<br />
Tumca dRes cnobilia, rom korpusebi<br />
ufro saSiSi gegmisTvis<br />
SekeTda. yvela oficialurad dabrunebul<br />
devnilze pasports gascemen,<br />
am pasportiT isini avtomaturad<br />
ruseTis moqalaqeebi xdebian<br />
da Seuferxeblad ivlian fsous<br />
sakontrolo-gamSvebi punqtis gavliT<br />
ruseTSi. axla maT afxazeTSi<br />
mcxovrebi xalxis mxardaWera sWirdebaT,<br />
TiToeul ojaxs gadamwvari<br />
da dabombili saxlebis SesakeTeblad<br />
Tanxas gadauxdian, an<br />
Tanxebs samSeneblo kompaniebs Cauricxaven<br />
da garemontebul saxleb-<br />
Si Seasaxleben. okupaciac uxmaurod<br />
Caivlis.<br />
mosaxleobas axali pasportis<br />
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moqalaqeobis flobas niSnavs da<br />
yvela im SeRavaTiT, daxmarebebi-<br />
Ta da jandacvis momsaxurebiT isargeblebs,<br />
rogoric ruseTis sruluflebian<br />
moqalaqeebze vrceldeba.<br />
meore SemoTavazebiT, pasportis<br />
mixedviT, afxazeTis republikis<br />
moqalaqe xdebi da aq gavrcelebuli<br />
SeRavaTebi Segexeba.<br />
orive SemTxveva saqarTvelosTvis<br />
damRupvelia _ kargav moqalaqeebs,<br />
romlebzec saqarTvelos iurisdiqcias<br />
ver ganaxorcieleb da dakargav<br />
teritoriasac. mizani da<br />
ganzraxvis ideac is aris, rom okupantebi<br />
iaraRis eniT Seni qveynis<br />
moqalaqeebis dacvas Semogedavebian,<br />
rogorc ruseTis moqalaqeebze.<br />
Tu davfiqrdebiT, okupantebis<br />
gadawyvetilebas afxazeTis „yirimizaciis”<br />
logikuri axsna aqvs da<br />
aneqsiis yvelaze taqtikuri svlaa.<br />
am gegmas meore mxarec aqvs: winaa-<br />
Rmdegobis gawevisas saqarTvelo-<br />
Si rusuli jaris Semosvlis morigi<br />
mizezic iqneba, rac kremlis sasicocxlo<br />
gegmaa. rusi generalitetis<br />
rukaze rusuli bazebis gan-<br />
Tavsebis adgilebic datanilia.<br />
rogor fiqrobT, ras elodebian is<br />
oligarqebi, romlebic ruseTSi<br />
biznesmeboben, „fbs”-s generlebi,<br />
Tu polkovnikebi, ministrebi, romlebic<br />
putinis patronobiT dRiTi<br />
dRe mdidrdebian, mTeli agentura<br />
jer isev ruseTidan moqmedebs.<br />
Tu saqarTveloSi daijereben, putini<br />
maT Camoyvanas am droisTvis<br />
inaxavs.<br />
_ afxazeTi saqarTveloa,<br />
saqarTvelos ganuyofeli nawil-<br />
ia da saqarTvelo patriotebis<br />
samSobloa, amitomac ver SeZlebs<br />
ruseTi am gegmis ganxorcielebas,<br />
magram ras fiqroben afxazebi?<br />
ruseTi xom maT sakuTar kuTxes<br />
arTmevs? ra ganwyobaa adgilo-<br />
briv mosaxleobaSi? (es iyo kiTx-<br />
va, romelic afxazuri opoziciis<br />
liderisTvis aucileblad unda<br />
dagvesva. kiTxvis Semdeg zulfi<br />
aCusba aSkarad sityvaZunwi gaxda)<br />
_ sad arian afxazi axalgazrda<br />
meomrebi? _ axalgazrdebi narkotikze<br />
damokidebuli gaxades, rom<br />
mospon, an advilad gamoaSteron,<br />
gamoTiSon yvelafer afxazurs...<br />
xalxis ganwyobas bolo dros ganviTarebuli<br />
movlenebi gamoxatavs.<br />
soxumis quCebSi mravalaTasiani<br />
mitingebi, damijereT, ruseTSic<br />
ukvirT... rac opoziciis gabeduli<br />
nabijia...<br />
_ meti raRa unda moxdes, rom<br />
afxazi mosaxleoba dafiqrdes,<br />
rom Cvens samSoblos erTi oku-<br />
panti hyavs?<br />
_ saqarTveloSi afxazeTze saxarbielo<br />
viTareba araa, xalxi Cven-<br />
Tan ufro ambobs saTqmels, vidre<br />
TqvenTan. ruseTs saqarTveloSi<br />
meti dasayrdeni aqvs, vidre afxazeTSi.<br />
aq erTi xajinbaa...<br />
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mier arCeuli parlamentis Tavmjdomare<br />
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wevric ar unda gyavdes erTsa da<br />
imave politikur subieqts parlamentSi,<br />
maTi xelis aweviT dadastureba<br />
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aris parlamentis Tavmjdomaris<br />
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iyo da ara saxelmwifos interesisa,<br />
radgan Cvens qveyanas rom Ses-<br />
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misTvis saxelmwifo interesebi,<br />
rogorme moiZiebdnen am TanamdebobisTvis<br />
iseT pirs, romelic ufro<br />
axlos iqneboda Tavisi gamocdilebiT,<br />
Tavisi biografiuli monacemebiT<br />
ukanasknel parlamentis<br />
TavmjdomaresTan miaxloebiT. imxela<br />
napralia usufaSvilsa da kobaxiZes<br />
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politikur Zalas, Tu visi prioriteti<br />
iqneboda saxelmwifo interesebi,<br />
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garda amisa, isic guldasawyvetia,<br />
rom dRevandelma xlisuflebam<br />
ar iTakila da yvela miuRebeli<br />
nabiji, rasac adgili hqonda<br />
maTi winamorbedi xelisuflebis<br />
maRalCinosnebisgan saarCevno procesSi,<br />
gaimeora. raRa moexerxebina<br />
da moaxerxa kidec, faqtobrivad,<br />
konstituciis privatizacia.<br />
axla Cven cremlmoreulni velodebiT<br />
cvlilebebs, romelsac privatizebuli<br />
konstitucia igrZnobs<br />
da Tu zomierebis gancda dau-<br />
Clungda „qarTul ocnebas”, ar<br />
gamoiricxeba, rom maTi gamoRviZeba<br />
mouwios sruliad saqarTvelos.<br />
CemTvis isic miuRebelia, axal<br />
mTavrobas, rom erT wuTsac ar<br />
aZleven amosunTqvisTvis da mudmivad<br />
yvela, iqneba es parlamentari,<br />
politikuri partiis wevri<br />
Tu eqspertTa wris warmomadgeneli,<br />
ratomRac, maTTvis, rogorc<br />
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dRevandeli mTavrobis<br />
mudmivi lanZRva, romelsac, faqtobrivad,<br />
saqmianoba jer arc dauwyia.<br />
ki batono, gavida erTi Tve<br />
axali parlamentis saqmianobisa da<br />
umal axali mTavrobis Semadgenlobac<br />
moiwona, magram Tavad am<br />
mTavrobas, rasakvirvelia, xels<br />
uSlis mudmivi, imdenad ara aucilebloba,<br />
aramed, TviTvaldebuleba,<br />
rom Tavi imarTlos yvelas<br />
winaSe miuxedavad imisa, ra safuZveli<br />
udevs kritikas, romelic ar<br />
Cerdeba mTavrobis mimarT. CemTvis<br />
ki yvela problema mogvarebadia,<br />
Tu iqneba gonier subieqtTa survili,<br />
rom ara telekamerebis win,<br />
aramed samuSao kabinetSi isaubron<br />
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partiobis wevroba da<br />
saerTo saqarTveloze izrunon.<br />
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verc vgrZnobT, xolo satelevizio<br />
sivrce gadatenilia swored<br />
im TemebiT, umTavresad arakompetenturi<br />
informaciebiT,<br />
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mTavrobis pasuxismgebloba<br />
maRalia, magram iseT viTarebaSi,<br />
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yvelaze ufro miuRebelia mcdeloba<br />
ekonomikuri Cixidan gamosvlisa<br />
rkinigzisa da strategiuli<br />
gazsadenis nawilis gayidvis SemTxvevaSi.<br />
es RvTisgan boZebuli Cveni<br />
geopolitikuri arsebobis gamamyarebeli<br />
ori obieqti araerTxel<br />
iyo aseTi safrTxis winaSe da arc<br />
erT mTavrobas aseTi nabiji ar<br />
gadaudgams, radgan iyo yovelTvis<br />
bevrad meti argumenti imisa, ramdenad<br />
ufro zianis momtania saqar-<br />
TvelosTvis jer politikurad,<br />
Semdgom ekonomikuradac am simdidris<br />
gasxviseba, miT umetes, rodesac<br />
vuyurebT politikur rukas<br />
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interesebSi Sedis saqarTvelos<br />
ori, am uaRresad mniSvnelovani<br />
obieqtis xelSi Cagdeba, magram vidre<br />
ekonomistebi kalkulatorebiT<br />
iTvlian Semosavlebs da gasavlebs,<br />
upirveles yovlisa, unda<br />
gaizron, ra saxis politikuri safrTxeebis<br />
winaSe ayeneben sakuTar<br />
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ukve aRmoCnda, rom, Turme, rkinigzisa<br />
da gazsadenis mflobelis vinaoba<br />
aris gasaidumloebuli. adre<br />
es ase ar iyo. gamexardeba, Tu<br />
Tqven am kiTxvas sajaro reestrs<br />
dausvamT da Tqven iqnebiT pirvelni,<br />
vinc SeZlebs gagvagebinos,<br />
vin, rodis, ratom gaasaidumloa es<br />
sakiTxi da realurad, vis xelSia.<br />
RmerTma nu qnas, Cumad ukve gayiduli<br />
iyos! es sakiTxi wamoweulia<br />
Zalian sando wyaros mier, romelic<br />
mimaCnia yvelaze gonier ekonomistad<br />
da samSoblos moyvarul<br />
adamianad. is faqti, rom amis ukan<br />
raRac imaleba, CemTvis iqidanac<br />
mimaniSnebelia, rom navTobis saxelmwifo<br />
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dRevandeli mTavrobaa yvelaze<br />
Raribi da Rataki?! ara mgonia,<br />
es ase iyos! amitom vidre ga-<br />
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wyarodan erTi ylupic ki SeiZleba<br />
aRmoCndes Cveni qveynisTvis<br />
mavnebeli.<br />
ramaz sayvareliZe:<br />
_ 2016 weli saintereso da kargi<br />
iyo im mxriv, rom centraluri<br />
movlena am weliwads CemTvis aris<br />
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mimarTulebiT warimar-<br />
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ukmayofilebis gamo, mosaxleoba<br />
airCevda sxva politiur partiebs,<br />
amaSi es partiebi TiTqmis darwmunebuli<br />
iyvnen da am dros aRmoCnda,<br />
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gegmavs, rom mosaxleobisTvis es<br />
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sWirdebaT da am yvelaferma<br />
umravlesobiT moiyvana „qarTuli<br />
ocneba”. es Sedegebi sruliad<br />
moulodneli iyo aseTive gagr-<br />
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zogi polirikosi saxlSi wavida,<br />
zogi partia SigniT daiyo da a. S.,<br />
anu partiebma Seicvales is mdgomareoba,<br />
romelic manamde hqondaT.<br />
mokled, 2016 wels vimyofebodiT<br />
siurprizebis reJimSi da<br />
velodebiT momaval siurprizebs,<br />
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xaTuna lagaziZe:<br />
_ Sida politikaSi yvelaze<br />
mniSvnelovani iyo 2016 wlis saparlamento<br />
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erTgvarad, fataluri SedegiT<br />
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politikuri veli, aramed,<br />
samoqalaqo sivrcec. rogoria<br />
ZalTa ganlageba saqarTvelos parlamentSi<br />
_ sakonstitucio umravlesobiT<br />
aris „qarTuli ocneba”<br />
da man SeZlo Seesrulebina is dapireba,<br />
romelsac misgan amomrCeveli<br />
2012 wels iTxovda, es aris „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” ganeitraleba.<br />
is, rac dRes xdeba „nacionalur<br />
moZraobaSi”, sxva araferia,<br />
Tu ara am politikuri Zalis<br />
ganeitarlebis mcdeloba. am<br />
etapze, yovel SemTxvevaSi, es ase<br />
Cans da gardauvalia. gaiyofa Tu<br />
ara „nacionaluri moZraoba”, is<br />
aris gacilebiT ufro mZime gamocdis<br />
winaSe, vidre is iyo 2012 wels,<br />
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„perspeqtiva”, rom erTgvar<br />
politikur klubad gadaiqces, magaliTad,<br />
rogoric iyo da aris<br />
„respublikuri partia”, romelsac<br />
damoukideblad saxelisuflebo<br />
ambiciebi arasdros hqonia da verc<br />
eqneba imitom, rom am jgufs yovelTvis<br />
eqneba qarizmatuli lideris<br />
deficiti. gasagebia, rom swored<br />
am qarizmatul liders eZeben<br />
swored gigi ugulavaSi, magram<br />
ramdenad SeiZleba iyos ugulava<br />
qarizmatuli lideri, am etapze,<br />
rTuli saTqmelia im martivi mizezis<br />
gamo, rom aravin icis, ramden<br />
xans dahyofs sapyrobileSi. meore<br />
mxriv, saakaSvilis frTis qveS dar-<br />
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martivi cxovreba, radgan seriozuli<br />
inteleqtualuri resursi<br />
gamoaldeba ganayofis saxiT da meore<br />
_ Tavad saakaSvilis yofna distanciaze<br />
aris is mTavari gamowveva,<br />
romelic mis frTis qveS dar-<br />
Cenilebs emuqreba. es skandali „nacionalur<br />
moZraobaSi” ganapiroba<br />
iman, rom Zalian rTulia distanciidan<br />
procesebis marTva. bunebrivia,<br />
saqarTvelodan 4-wliani<br />
Sors yofniT saakaSvilma dakarga<br />
partiis marTvis berketebi. ra mizezebiTac<br />
ar unda iyos ganpirobebuli<br />
ganxeTqleba „nacionalur<br />
moZraobaSi”, mTavari is aris,<br />
maTi lideri qveyanaSi ar imyofeba<br />
da miviReT es suraTi. saakaSvilis<br />
dabrunebis perspeqtiva imaze<br />
ufro bundovania, vidre gigi ugulavas<br />
cixidan gamosvla, amitomac<br />
misi frTxis qveS darCenili<br />
flangic sakmaod iqneba dasustebuli.<br />
kidev erTi saparlamento<br />
Zala, es gaxlavT „patriotTa aliansi”,<br />
romelic komfortuli opozicia<br />
iyo rogorc saparlamento<br />
ZalisTvis, ise „nacionalebisTvis”<br />
im martivi mizezis gamo, rom „patriotTa<br />
aliansis” reitings zeda<br />
zRvari aqvs. miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />
„patriotTa aliansis” amomrCeveli<br />
yvelaze mzardi SeiZleba iyos,<br />
radgan is aerTianebs ultrakonservatorul<br />
da socialistur<br />
ideebs, misi erTgvari nazavia da,<br />
faqtobrivad, maTi amomrCeveli<br />
dRes aris am ideebis momxre sazogadoeba.<br />
am amomrCevlis ricxvi<br />
dRes yvelaze mzardia saqarTveloSi,<br />
iseve rogorc mTavari brendia<br />
dRes evropaSi da amerikaSi, magram<br />
rogorc aRvniSne, „patriot-<br />
Ta alianss” aqvs Tavisi reitingis<br />
zeda zRvari, damoukideblad, saxelisuflo<br />
partiad Camoyalibebis<br />
resursi mas am etapze ar aqvs. radgan<br />
am partiis resursi farglebiT<br />
aris SemosazRvruli, amitomac<br />
aris is komfortuli xelisuflebisTvis.<br />
amiT imis Tqma minda, rom<br />
„patriotTa aliansis” amomrCeveli<br />
gacilebiT metia, vidre misi aTviseba<br />
SeuZlia. rac Seexeba arasaparlamento<br />
flangs, aq vxedavT ra<br />
savalalo viTarebaa, absoluturad<br />
gadarecxilia es sivrce, erTaderTi,<br />
vinc SeinarCuna partia,<br />
aris nino burjanaZe da erTi saintereso<br />
politikuri figuraa daviT<br />
usufaSvili, romelsac dRemde<br />
aqvs SemorCenili resursi, rac<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovania, rom prodasavluri<br />
axali politiuri saxeebi<br />
Tu jgufebi Tavisi figuris<br />
irgvliv gaaerTianos. kidev erTi<br />
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2017 wels veli, es aris<br />
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is ar aris Tavad im tipis lideri,<br />
romlis moTxovnac aris dRes sazogadoebaSi.<br />
ra gamova, amas momavali<br />
gviCvenebs, is Zalian iRbliani<br />
adamiania, iSviaTia saqarTvelos<br />
istoriaSi adamiani, romelsac<br />
pirdapir aCuqes prezidentoba<br />
da ratom ar SeiZleba mas fortunam<br />
meoredac gauRimos?! xelisuflebis<br />
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xelisuflebis ubeSi daivana adgili<br />
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Zalian seriozuli procesebi midis,<br />
radgan Ria saxe SeiZina. Tu<br />
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sityva horoskopi, SeiZleba,<br />
iTargmnos, rogorc „vakvirdebi<br />
saaTs”. astrologia kacobriobis<br />
yvelaze Zveli mecnierebaa.<br />
xSirad cxovreba Tavad gvaZlevs<br />
miniSnebebs _ zogierTs<br />
TviTon vxedavT, zogierTs ki<br />
yuradRebas ar vaqcevT. rom<br />
icodeT, ras gimzadebT bedi,<br />
albaT, naklebs inerviulebdiT<br />
mizezianad Tu umizezod.<br />
da radgan 2016 wlis gazeTis<br />
es nomeri boloa, amiT davasrulebT<br />
maimunis weliwads, samagierod,<br />
erTmaneTs ukve mamlis<br />
weliwadSi SevxvdebiT...<br />
amitom gadavwyvite, wlis<br />
bolos nomerSi cota mec memaimuna<br />
da Cveni sosos horoskops<br />
gadavxede. gadavxede da ra<br />
gavige, hoi, saocrebav! _ Cveni<br />
soso horoskopiT virTxa yofila...<br />
virTxaze ki varskvlavebi<br />
gvamcnoben, rom:<br />
igi yovelTvis gonivrulad<br />
da dinjad ekideba garSemo atexil<br />
aurzaurs, zis Tavis bunagSi.<br />
momaval wels qariSxlis<br />
mZvinvarebaa mosalodneli, rac<br />
virTxis garemozec aisaxeba.<br />
rogorc astrologi mixeil<br />
cagareli iuwyeba, cecxlovani<br />
mamlis weliwadSi: „sifrTxile<br />
da windaxeduloba virTxis weliwadSi<br />
dabadebulebs gansakuTrebiT<br />
marTebT”.<br />
es undoda kidev am zemo ma-<br />
Cxaanel biWs, jer weliwadic<br />
ar dawyebula da mas varskvlavebi<br />
ar swyaloben...<br />
sjera Tu ara sosos horoskopis,<br />
es ucnobia, magram sazogadoebis<br />
didi nawilisTvis<br />
rom astrologia da zodiaqo<br />
sarwmunoa, es yvelam viciT.<br />
imis garda, rom gogaSvili<br />
wlis horoskopiT virTxaa, Tveebis<br />
mixedviT soso kuro brZandeba.<br />
aq ki astrologia kidev<br />
erTxel axsenebs: am niSnis qveS<br />
dabadebuli adamianebi arian<br />
kargi inJinrebi, eqimebi, musikis<br />
maswavleblebi da rac mTavaria,<br />
soflis meurneobis muSakebi.<br />
Tu „antrikoda” Tavis<br />
momavals gadaxedavs, wesiT,<br />
unda mixvdes, rom dro movida,<br />
sofelSi dabrundes da daJangebuli<br />
vazis sasxlavi daZebnos,<br />
ager, zamTaric Caivlis,<br />
mova Tebervali, venaxs gasxvla<br />
unda. saxelmwifos didad ar<br />
argo, magram saxelmwifo ki gamoadga<br />
sus-is SvebulebaSi gasul<br />
gomelauris moadgiles...<br />
sosos kariera zenitSi swored<br />
maimunis weliwadSi avida,<br />
magram radgan maimuni maimunia,<br />
welic maimuniviT dausrulda<br />
da ojaxSic dabrunda. gamaimunebul<br />
mefis tola kacs aqeT-<br />
sosos<br />
rekviemi<br />
iqidan or-ori moadgile dausva<br />
gomelaurma, departamentvyvebi<br />
ambavs paatasa da sosos<br />
eT, sadac ar vimaimuneb da moebTan<br />
wvdoma SeuzRuda da qiziyeli<br />
biWi gaabraza...<br />
Serkinebisa...<br />
axla ki im nawilze gadavid-<br />
soso da paata<br />
ambis moyolamde madlobas<br />
vuxdi sus-is yvela im adami-<br />
ans, romelmac ase uangarod,<br />
guliT da suliT, iSroma CemTan<br />
erTad, rom sazogadoeb-<br />
isTvis gveCvenebina, vin iyo<br />
soso...<br />
_ garkveuli periodis win<br />
sus-is raionuli organizaciebidan<br />
gogaSvilis davalebiT<br />
ramdenime kaci gaaTavisufles.<br />
ganTavisuflebulebi ver igebdnen<br />
samsaxuridan maTi gaSvebis<br />
realur mizezs, jamSi ki<br />
samsaxuridan wasulma dazaralebulebma<br />
gaarkvies, rom ma-<br />
Ti gaSveba uSualod soso gogaSvilis<br />
kaprizs ukavSirdeboda.<br />
_ oficialurad ra mizeziT?<br />
anu samsaxuridan maTi was-<br />
vlis safuZveli ra gaxda?<br />
_ safuZveli ar arsebobs,<br />
ufrosebma dauZaxes da uTxres,<br />
rom daeweraT gancxadebebi<br />
da wasuliyvnen, radgan zemodan<br />
iyo aseTi davaleba. biWebma<br />
davaleba Seasrules, magram,<br />
bunebrivia, garkveva daiwyes,<br />
ratom, risTvis, ase mowmendil<br />
caze ra gaxda ZiriTadi mizezi<br />
maTi ganTavisuflebisa? vinc<br />
am biWebis daniSvnas, Tavis<br />
droze, rekomendacia gauwia,<br />
paata batiaSvili iyo. Sesabamisad,<br />
yvelam paatas miakiTxa.<br />
_ didi xania, rac es adami-<br />
anebi muSaobdnen?<br />
_ ar maxsovs, magram, savaraudod,<br />
2013 wlidan...<br />
_ ra gaarkvia batiaSvilma?!<br />
_ me rogorc vici, jer erTma<br />
rom uTxra, gamiSveso, Cveulebriv,<br />
albaT, ifiqra, rom<br />
raRac moxda da gauSves, magram<br />
ramdenimes wasvla samsaxuridan<br />
ase erToblivad ukve kiTxvis<br />
niSans aCenda. bolos gaarkvia,<br />
rom yvela sosos moTxovniT<br />
gauSves.<br />
_ es gaxda sososa da paatas<br />
Cxubis mizezi?..<br />
_ ara marto. erT-erTi mizezi<br />
es iyo, magram sxvac aris<br />
_ ra?<br />
_ rogorc vici, batiaSvilsa<br />
da gogaSvils saerTo interesi<br />
hqondaT garkveul miwebze.<br />
aRmoCnda, rom gogaSvilma is<br />
miwebi daiTria da batiaSvili<br />
mSralze datova. maSin paatas<br />
uTqvams, rom amas ar SevarCeno.<br />
mere ukve roca gogaSvilma<br />
igrZno, rom samsaxuridan wasvlis<br />
dro uaxlovdeboda, gadawyvita,<br />
mis wasvlamde paatas<br />
kadrebiT gaewminda sus-i.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ paata rom dabrundes,<br />
sayrdeni gundi xom unda?<br />
_ albaT, ki...<br />
_ hoda, pasuxic martivia, _<br />
soso gabrazebulia, fiqrobs,<br />
rom misi karieris daZirva paatas<br />
ukavSirdeba... isic gamigia,<br />
piradad Senze uTqvams xolme,<br />
_ rogor SeiZleba, es ambebi<br />
magan gaigos, Tu viRac ar eubnebao...<br />
_ magram Cven arc batiaSvilze<br />
saubris dros vyofilvarT<br />
Tevzis rolSi, arc ba-<br />
tiaSvili mwyalobs, zustad<br />
vici, da misi ginebis adresat-<br />
ic xSirad var. es xom absur-<br />
dia?<br />
_ soso Zalian eWviani,<br />
frTxili da mSiSaraa. susi-dan<br />
wasul batiaSvils yovelTvis<br />
Tavis konkurentad da did safrTxed<br />
miiCnevda, eWvianobda<br />
da ebrZoda. swored amitom<br />
gauSva paatas xalxi samsaxuridan,<br />
swored amitom daaWerina<br />
viRac-viRacebic adre, radgan<br />
paatas axloblebad Tvlida.<br />
_ e. i. sus-Si didi areulo-<br />
ba yofila.<br />
_ vici, rom am saitze Zalian<br />
iCxubes, oRond ara SenobaSi,<br />
sxvagan Sexvdnen, sadac sus-is<br />
ramdenime TanamSromelic iyo.<br />
_ batiaSvili xom ar brun-<br />
deba samsaxurSi ukan?<br />
_ ar vici, magram gamoricxuli<br />
araferia!<br />
P. S. axla ki sruli maimu-<br />
nobis gareSe...<br />
sanam mamali samjer iyiv-<br />
lebdes, virTxis weliwadSi<br />
dabadebulebs SeuZliaT, mS-<br />
vidad da wynarad isxdnen<br />
bunagSi.<br />
gareT didi politikuri<br />
qariSxalia.<br />
wels bevrs daiWeren, bevrs<br />
ukan miatanineben, rac uSo-<br />
viaT.<br />
sifrTxile kargia, magram<br />
mTavari akakis igavia Ramu-<br />
raze:<br />
„gadagvarebis mosurne bu-<br />
nebisagan krulia!<br />
misi piradi Rirseba yovel-<br />
gan daCagrulia!”<br />
7
da is variantic?<br />
_ es reformebi SevardnaZis<br />
dros daiwyo da, bunebrivia, kanonmdeblobac<br />
unda Seqmniliyo... saerTo<br />
sasamarTloebis kanonma fundamenturad<br />
Seqmna konstruqcia,<br />
rogori unda yofiliyo sasamarTlo<br />
sistema da 1995 wlis konstituciiT<br />
prokuratura samTavrobo<br />
struqturebidan gamoiyvanes da<br />
marTlmsajulebis sistemaSi Seiyvanes,<br />
anu prokuratura ar iyo xelisuflebis<br />
interesebis gamtarebeli<br />
organo, vinaidan ar eqvemdebareboda,<br />
ase vTqvaT, mTavrobis<br />
subordinacias. es iyo reforma,<br />
magram am reformam imis gamo ver<br />
gaamarTla, rom saproceso kodeqsi,<br />
romelic 1998 wels miiRo saqarTvelos<br />
parlamentma da romlis<br />
avtoric profesori gia mefariSvili<br />
iyo, Zalian winmswrebi, progresuli<br />
gaxldaT, romelic cota<br />
adre miiRo qveyanam, vidre es<br />
realoba Seiqmneboda. amitom is<br />
Zalian humanuri, adamianuri, tolerantuli<br />
kodeqsi iyo, xolo saqarTvelos<br />
mosamarTleTa korpusis<br />
mentaloba prokurorTan iyo sab-<br />
Wouri da ar moergo axal kanons.<br />
aman sasamarTlo sistemis moSla<br />
gamoiwvia. amitom 2004 wels reformis<br />
aucilebloba dadga. rod-<br />
mariam balanCivaZe<br />
2016 wlis saparlamento arCevnebi „qarTulma ocnebam” sakonstitucio<br />
umravlesobiT moigo. pirveli, rac „ocnebis” xelisuflebam daaanonsa,<br />
sakonstitucio cvlilebebia. sakonstitucio komisias parlamentis<br />
Tavmjdomare irakli kobaxiZe xelmZRvanelobs. gazafxulze sakonstitucio<br />
cvlilebebis sayovelTao ganxilva unda moxdes. ras elodeba<br />
komisiis muSaobidan? ramdenad efeqturi iqneba prezidentis ufle-<br />
bamosilebis Sekvecis sakiTxi? rogor CaSala sasamarTlo reforma giga<br />
bokeriam da ratom moixada bodiSi mis magivrad mixeil saakaSvilma?<br />
am da sxva sakiTxebze „qronika+”-s<br />
valeri gelbaxiani esaubre-<br />
ba:<br />
_ `qarTulma ocnebam” sakonstitucio<br />
umravlesobis mopove-<br />
bisTanave konstituciis Secvlaze<br />
daiwyo saubari, Seiqmna kidec ko-<br />
misia. jer erTi, rogor SeafasebT<br />
komisiis kompetencias da ra cv-<br />
lilebebs elodebiT? elodebiT<br />
Tu ara, rom „ocneba” isev moir-<br />
gebs konstitucias sakuTar Tav-<br />
ze, rogorc es „nacionalurma<br />
moZraobam” gaakeTa Tavis droze?<br />
_ winaswar prognozi ar SemiZlia.<br />
raime niSanic ar ikiTxeba, rom<br />
warmodgenili aqvT, ra formatis<br />
sakonstitucio cvlilebebi ganxorcieldeba,<br />
magram winaswar daanonsebuli<br />
Temebi imaze mianiSnebs,<br />
rom amaTi ZiriTadi moTxovna saprezidento<br />
institutis modernizacia<br />
iqneba. Tu komisias mxolod<br />
es mizani aqvs, amisTvis komisiis Seqmna<br />
saerTod ar iyo mizanSewonili,<br />
imitom, rom „qarTul ocnebas”<br />
es sakanonmdeblo iniciativiT<br />
SeuZlia gaakeTos da aranairi problema<br />
ar aqvs, rom konstitucia<br />
Secvalos, magram Tu maT ideaSi<br />
aqvT, rom axal sakonstitucio cvlilebebs<br />
farTo reformuli funqcia<br />
hqondes, maSin, cxadia, ra vadac<br />
maT gamoacxades, es vada am<br />
reformas ar eyofa. prilamde es<br />
jgufi Sexvedrasac ver moaswrebs<br />
erTmaneTTan. warmoidgineT, komisia<br />
59 pirisgan Sedgeba da roca<br />
gadavxede, es aris partiuli dajgufebebi<br />
da arasamTavrobo seqtoridan<br />
mowveuli adamianebi.<br />
„qarTul ocnebas” 24 wevri hyavs,<br />
8 _ „nacionalur moZraobas” da 3<br />
_ „patriotTa alianss”, anu gamovida<br />
ise, rom 35 wevri 59-dan parlamentis<br />
wevria, parlamentis deputatebis<br />
umravlesoba sakonstitucio<br />
komisiaSia, rac mimaCnia,<br />
rom saWiro da mizanSewonili ar<br />
iyo, imitom rom parlamentis wevria<br />
da isedac monawileobs am<br />
procesSi. parlamentSi kanonproeqti<br />
gansaxilvelad Sedis, sakonstitucio<br />
komisiaSi farTo speqtri<br />
iyo saWiro, aq ki, ZiriTadad,<br />
politikuri istebliSmentia. warmoidgineT,<br />
aWaris avtonomiuri<br />
respublikis umaRlesi sabWos Tavmjdomare,<br />
mTavrobis Tavmjdomare,<br />
aseve afxazeTis mTavrobis Tavmjdomare<br />
da umaRlesi sabWos<br />
Tavmjdomare, movaleobis Semsrulebeli,<br />
sakonstitucio sasamarTlos<br />
Tavmjdomare, kontrolis palatis<br />
Tavmjdomare, iusticiis ministri,<br />
kidev uzenaesi sabWos Tavmjdomare<br />
da bevri... aris sakonstitucio<br />
istebliSmentis warmomadgeneli.<br />
isini SeboWili arian<br />
yvelanairi iniciativebisgan, vinaidan<br />
samTavrobo idea ufro imaTi<br />
politikis ganxorcieleba iqneba<br />
am adamianebis xarjze, vidre SemoqmedebiTi<br />
da marTla reformatoruli<br />
midgoma. warmoidgineT, 30<br />
wevri rom umravlesoba aris parlamentis<br />
SigniT da plus amas<br />
emateba kidev 10 samTavrobo warmomadgenloba,<br />
59-dan 40 uWiravs<br />
xelisuflebas da, axla, ratom<br />
akeTeben amas, rom yvelgan umravlesoba<br />
undaT hqondeT, es maTi<br />
problemaa. darwmunebuli var, bevri<br />
uars ityvis aq muSaobaze, Tu<br />
gamoikveTeba, rom mxolod erTi<br />
miznisTvis aris es komisia Seqmnili.<br />
maSin arasamTavrobo seqtori<br />
aucileblad aqedan gamova. opoziciur<br />
partiebs 4 adgili misces,<br />
es partiebi, bunebrivia, ar daeTanxmebian<br />
prezidentis institutis<br />
modernizacias.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
kiTxvebi, ra Tqma unda, arsebobs.<br />
rac Seexeba am komisiis Semadgenlobis<br />
mesame nawils, anu arasamTavrobo<br />
seqtors, aq aris axalgazrda<br />
iuristTa asociacia, „saerTaSoriso<br />
gamWvirvaloba” da sxvadasxva<br />
liga, konstituciis dacva,<br />
adamianTa uflebebis dacva. mxolod<br />
ori mecnieria komisiaSi<br />
warmodgenili, avTandil demetra-<br />
Svili da joni xecuriani. danar-<br />
Cen mecnierTa korpusi komisiaSi<br />
ar aris. es Zalian sagangaSo da SemaSfoTebeli<br />
faqtia. universitetebSi,<br />
sadac mecnier-konstitucionalistebi<br />
kiTxuloben leqciebs,<br />
rogor<br />
CaSala<br />
axalgazrda Taobebs zrdian, anu am<br />
fundamentalizms nergaven, rasac<br />
hqvia konstitucionalizmi, es adamianebi<br />
ar arian warmodgenilni<br />
da samwuxaroa.<br />
magaliTad: paata cnobilaZe<br />
konstitucionalizmze erTaderTi<br />
wignis avtoria saqarTveloSi,<br />
romelic saxelmZRvaneloa yvela<br />
sauniversiteto swavlebaSi. ratom<br />
ar moxvda paata cnobilaZe am komisiaSi?!<br />
es niSnavs imas, rom kadrebi<br />
kvalificiur doneze ar SeirCa.<br />
rac Seexeba vadebs, rogorc<br />
wesi, roca sakonstitucio komisia<br />
iqmneba, iq samuSao jgufebi Tavebis<br />
mixedviT yalibdeba. magaliTad,<br />
moqalaqeTa uflebebis Tavze iqmneba<br />
erTi samuSao jgufi, parlamentis<br />
Tavze _ meore, prezidentis<br />
Tavze _ mesame, samarTaldamcav,<br />
anu sasamarTlo sistemaze _ mesame...<br />
daaxloebiT xuTi-eqvsi punqti,<br />
teritoriuli mowyoba, romelic<br />
problemaa... eqvsi samuSao<br />
jgufi mainc unda Seiqmnas. am samuSao<br />
jgufebma TavianTi sferoebis<br />
mixedviT unda waradginon proeqtebi,<br />
Tu rogor esaxebaT reforma.<br />
samuSao jgufebisTvis sami<br />
Tve darCeba, rom erTmaneTSi Sejerdnen.<br />
davuSvaT, erT samuSao<br />
jgufSi oTxi kacia, oTxivem rom<br />
cal-calke Tavisi Sexeduleba<br />
daweros, xom unda ikamaTon, rom<br />
erT azrze Camoyalibdnen? amitom<br />
es xangrZlivi procesia, es ar aris<br />
sufTa wera, rom gadawero da iq<br />
miitano. es aris xangrZlivi kamaTi...<br />
mere, erTad Sejereba iwyeba?<br />
davuSvaT, samuSao jgufis is<br />
varianti, romelic komisiis ganxilvazea<br />
gatanili, aris Tu ara SesabamisobaSi<br />
danarCenili jgufebis<br />
mier warmodgenil proeqtebTan?<br />
Zalian rTuli samuSao viTarebaa,<br />
romelic ase erTi xelis mosmiT,<br />
ra Tqma unda, ar mTavrdeba,<br />
amitom me kiTxvebi maqvs imasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, rom Tu es farTomasStabiani<br />
konstituciuri reformaa,<br />
maSin dasaxelebuli vada absoluturad<br />
Seusabamoa, imitom,<br />
rom fizikurad SeuZlebelia. Tu<br />
erT sakiTxze unda moxdes konstituciuri<br />
cvlileba, vfiqrob, rom<br />
is nawili, rasac hqvia arasamTavrobo<br />
seqtori da opoziciuri partiebi,<br />
isini aucileblad datoveben<br />
komisias da misi legitimuroba<br />
eWvqveS dadgeba. amitom amisTvis<br />
saWiro iyo farTo konsensusi da<br />
xangrZlivi vada. is konsensusi,<br />
romelzec Cven vsaubrobT, marto<br />
partiebs Soris ar aris, samoqalaqo<br />
sazogadoebasTanac saWiroa,<br />
sasamarTlo<br />
reforma giga<br />
bokeriam?<br />
amas formaluri niSnebi axlavs,<br />
ver ityvi, rom warmomadgenloba<br />
ar aris, magram farTo warmomadgenloba<br />
ar gaxlavT. saqme is aris,<br />
rom raxan arasamTavrobo organizaciis<br />
xelmZRvaneli xar, es imas<br />
ar niSnavs, rom konstitucionalisti<br />
xar da saxelmwifos konstituciuri<br />
mowyobis, saxelmwifo<br />
urTierTobebis problemebi gesmis.<br />
raxan parlamentis wevri xar,<br />
es imas ar niSnavs, rom maRali kompetencia<br />
gaqvs da SeZleb, Seni<br />
qveynis momavali dainaxo im didi<br />
samyaros gamocdilebaSi, romelic<br />
yvela qveyanas daudga konstituciur<br />
problemebTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
ra Tqma unda, amas ufro meti mecnieruli<br />
warmomadgenloba sWirdeboda,<br />
romelsac meti informaciuli<br />
wyaro aqvs, meti mecnieruli<br />
wvdoma da meti damajerebloba<br />
aqvs argumentaciebis moxmobis<br />
dros. amitom es yvelaferi, jamSi,<br />
mafiqrebinebs, rom cota saeWvoa<br />
am vadaSi farTo reformebis dawyeba.<br />
_ batono valeri, Tumca Cven<br />
gamocdileba gvaqvs, rom „qar-<br />
Tulma ocnebam” aseve swrafad<br />
„gaakeTa” sasamarTlo reforma,<br />
sruliad gaiziara „nacmoZraobis”<br />
gamocdileba da sasamarTlo<br />
struqturebi im adamianebs Caa-<br />
bara, romlebsac wina xelisu-<br />
flebis pirobebSi ebaraT...<br />
_ am qveyanaSi sasamarTlo reforma<br />
rom ar ganxorcielda, eg<br />
axali ambavi ar aris, eg, albaT, samomavlo<br />
saqme ufroa. piriqiT,<br />
mgonia, rom sasamarTlo xelisuflebis<br />
xelmisawvdomoba mosaxleobis<br />
farTo fenebisTvis daamZimes.<br />
magaliTad: sakonstitucio sasamarTloSi<br />
umsgavsoba xdeba, sruli<br />
am sityvis mniSvnelobiT. ukve<br />
xelmiuwvdomelia sakonstitucio<br />
sasamarTlo Cveulebrivi, rigiTi<br />
adamianebisTvis. ar aqvs moqalaqes<br />
konstituciuri dacvis garanti am<br />
sasamarTlosgan. Cven gvaxsovs, rom<br />
„qarTuli ocneba” pretenziebs uyenebda<br />
im Semadgenlobas, romelic<br />
sakonstitucio sasamarTloSi iyo<br />
da seriozuli gadawyvetilebebi<br />
miiRo.<br />
ai, am bolo dros, sakonstitucio<br />
sasamarTlo ar iRebs warmoebaSi<br />
arc erT saqmes. magaliTad,<br />
uzenaesma sasamarTlom 11 wardgineba<br />
gaugzavna da uTxra, _ Sen<br />
rom es gadawyvetileba miiRe, ganmarteba<br />
momeci, Zvel kanonze Tu<br />
SeiZleba amis gamoyenebao? uzenaesma<br />
sasamarTlom ratom dasva es<br />
sakiTxi sakonstitucio sasamarTlos<br />
winaSe? imitom, rom samar-<br />
TalwarmoebaSi samarTlebrivi<br />
problema warmoSva, amitom uzenaesi<br />
sasamarTlos problema sakonstitucio<br />
sasamarTloSi unda<br />
gadawyvetiliyo. 11-ive wardginebaze<br />
sakonstituciom uari Tqva,<br />
ar ganvixilavo, dasaSvebi ar ariso.<br />
es aris konstituciuri momsaxureba?!<br />
_ konkretul saqmes exeboda<br />
es?<br />
_ iciT, ras exeboda? _ 2015<br />
wlis 22 ianvars sakonstitucio<br />
sasamarTlom aseTi gadawyvetileba<br />
miiRo, rom sisxlis samarTlis<br />
saqmeebSi iribi mtkicebulebebi ar<br />
SeiZleboda ganaCenis safuZvlad<br />
yofiliyo gamoyenebuli, es moqmed<br />
kodeqsSi... magram moqmed kodeqsamde<br />
Zveli kodeqsi iyo, romliTac<br />
miSas dros mTeli saqarTvelo, 400<br />
aTasi adamiani gasamarTlda. amitom<br />
daisva sakiTxi, ra vuyoT im<br />
kodeqsiT gamotanil ganaCenebs,<br />
rasac iribi Cvenebebi daedo safuZvlado?<br />
amis gamo uzenaesma sasamarTlom<br />
saapelacio sasamarTlodan<br />
uamravi kasaciuri sarCeli<br />
miiRo. uzenaesi sasamarTlo iZulebuli<br />
gaxda, sakonstitucio<br />
sasamarTlosTvis miemarTa da eTqva,<br />
rom Tqven rom es gadawyvetileba<br />
miiReT, ganmimarteT, Zvel kanonze<br />
moqmedebs Tu ara igive, anu<br />
Zaladakargulze? sakonstitucio<br />
sasamarTlom ar ganixila da Tqva,<br />
rom es sakiTxi adre xom ganvixileT,<br />
axla saWirod ar mimaCniao. Se<br />
dalocvilo, samarTlis xelmisawvdomoba<br />
ra aris? unda ganixilo...<br />
da is problema, rac samarTalSi<br />
warmoiSva, unda gadawyvito. es<br />
aris Seni amocana da ara is, rom<br />
skamze dajde, karg xelfassa da<br />
karg samsaxurSi mokalaTde da<br />
uariT istumro, ufro sworad,<br />
gaaRrmavo is problemebi, romlebic<br />
samarTalSi warmoiSva... iseve<br />
rogorc mec mivmarTe, weliwadnaxevari<br />
egdoT sarCeli, guSin<br />
momdis pasuxi... imitom, rom ori<br />
wlis winaT es sakiTxi ganxiluli<br />
maqvs da meored ar ganvixilavo.<br />
axla, es praqtikaa?! amas reforma<br />
hqvia?! bunebrivia, amas calsaxa pasuxi<br />
aqvs, _ ara! aseTi damokidebuleba,<br />
rom sakonstitucio sasamarTlo<br />
konstituciuri, fundamentaluri<br />
uflebebis dacvaSi xelisSemSlel<br />
funqcias TamaSobdes,<br />
jer ar maxsovs, qarTul samarTal-<br />
Si momxdariyos! axla ki xdeba. ratom<br />
xdeba? imitom, rom politikuri<br />
xelisufleba daSinebulia.<br />
es erTi, meore, _ rac „qarTuli<br />
ocneba” xelisuflebaSi movida,<br />
codvas ver vityvi, saqarTvelos<br />
sasamarTloebs Tavisuflebis<br />
xarisxi daetyoT. 80% SemTxveveb-<br />
Si, im 20%-s vitoveb imitom, rom<br />
mosamarTleebi Zveli SiSidan ver<br />
gamovidnen, magram danarCeni aSkarad<br />
gamocvlilia. ar iyo gamo-<br />
Zieba sworad nawarmoebi, braldeba<br />
iyo ganxorcielebuli da mosamarTlem<br />
gamamarTlebeli gamoitana.<br />
ra gamodis? erTi ukiduresoba<br />
qmnis meores, anu Tu samarTliani<br />
sasamarTlo gvaqvs, maSin es<br />
uwyebebi, bodiSs vixdi da Zvel<br />
„paraSaze” arian, komunistur provocirebas<br />
akeTeben, rom Tu mosamarTle<br />
samarTlianad moiqca, fuli<br />
aiRo, Tu usamarTlod moiqca,<br />
fuli aiRo... yvela SemTxvevaSi<br />
diskreditaciisken aris es procesi<br />
mimarTuli, imitom, rom imas ki<br />
ar amboben, ratom gamarTlda patimari,<br />
gamoZieba ratom Sewydao,<br />
ara, mosamarTles abraleben... da<br />
TavianT Tavs ver xedaven, imitom,<br />
rom aRmasrulebel xelisuflebas<br />
sasamarTlos did nawilze kvlav<br />
berketebi aqvs. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
sasamarTlo reformis ganxorcielebaze,<br />
jerjerobiT, saubari<br />
adrea...<br />
_ logikurad iqamde mivediT<br />
da aucileblad unda gavixsenoT<br />
sasamarTlo reformis saTaveebi,<br />
roca xelisuflebaSi „nacionale-<br />
bi” movidnen da dRis wesrigSi<br />
swored sasamarTlo reformis<br />
gatarebis sakiTxi dadga. Tqven<br />
erT-erTi pirveli iyaviT am reformis<br />
saTaveebTan da, Tu Sei-<br />
Zleba, axla detalurad gaixsenoT,<br />
ra moxda maSin, ratom Cavar-<br />
8 N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.
esac axali xelisufleba movida,<br />
albaT, erT-erTi pirveli sakiTxi<br />
sasamarTlo reforma iyo, romel-<br />
Sic mec Zalian aqtiurad vmonawileobdi.<br />
„nacionalurma moZraobam”<br />
es ambavi giga bokerias jgufs<br />
ando. am jgufSi Sedioda nika gvaramia,<br />
nino kalandaZe, levan beJaSvili<br />
da valeri cercvaZe... ai, es<br />
xuTeuli iyo, romelsac sasamarTlo<br />
reformebi unda ganexorcielebina<br />
Cvens qveyanaSi. amasTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT ramdenime Sexvedra mqonda<br />
rogorc prezidentTan, aseve<br />
parlamentis TavmjdomaresTan, vinaidan<br />
mxolod ramdenime fragmentuli<br />
cvlileba Semoitanes parlamentSi,<br />
romelic CemSi eWvebs aCenda,<br />
rom es reforma araharmonizirebuli<br />
iyo dasavluri kanonmdeblobisken,<br />
aramed ufro sabWoTa<br />
reJimis restavrirebisken iyo midrekili,<br />
ramac, bunebrivia, kiTxvebi<br />
gamiCina. es gangaSis tolfasi<br />
iyo da calke prezidentTan mivvardi,<br />
calke _ parlamentis TavmjdomaresTan.<br />
maT vuTxari, rom<br />
aseTi ram dauSvebelia, amas reforma<br />
ar hqvia. mere calke saubari<br />
mqonda parlamentis TavmjdomaresTan,<br />
nino burjanaZesTan.<br />
mas movTxove, avuxseni kidevac da<br />
davusabuTe, rom vinaidan prezidentis<br />
aRmasrulebeli xelisufleba<br />
politikurad dominanti<br />
iyo da, ZiriTadad, is iRebda pasuxismgeblobas<br />
qveyanaSi mimdinare<br />
yvela movlenaze, Cven, parlaments,<br />
ufro sworad, nino burjanaZes,<br />
sakuTar Tavze agveRo erTi romelime<br />
sakiTxi, romelic saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifos istoriaSi Sevidoda<br />
da waadgeboda kidec. aqedan<br />
gamomdinare, miviCnieT, rom sasamarTlo<br />
reforma unda gagvexorcielebina...<br />
qalbatoni burjanaZe<br />
dameTanxma. me SevTavaze, rom sasamarTlo<br />
reformis jgufis xelmZRvaneli<br />
is yofiliyo da ara<br />
bokeria, an vinme sxva, mas aeRo pasuxismgebloba,<br />
rom saqarTvelos<br />
eqneboda damoukidebeli sasamarTlo<br />
sistema Sesabamisi kanonmdeblobiT.<br />
amis Taobaze SeTanxmeba<br />
gavakeTeT, rom parlamentis sxdomaze<br />
es sakiTxi me unda dameyenebina,<br />
rom ara fragmentulad<br />
mogvesmina calkeuli amonaglejebis<br />
calkeul kanonebSi Sesatani<br />
cvlilebebis saxiT, aramed koncefcia<br />
mogvesmina mTlianad samarTlian<br />
reformaze. parlaments<br />
es koncefcia dagvemtkicebina da<br />
mis mixedviT Segveqmna kanonebi... es<br />
sakiTxi parlamentis sxdomaze<br />
davayene, burjanaZem, rogorc molaparakebulebi<br />
viyaviT, mxari<br />
damiWira da gafarToebuli komitetis<br />
sxdomis daniSvna moiTxova.<br />
burjanaZem iuridiul komitets<br />
daavala, rom gafarToebul sxdomaze<br />
iusticiis sabWo mogveyvana<br />
da es Tema maTTan erTad gangvexila.<br />
dainiSna dRe... ra Tqma unda,<br />
rogorc iniciatori, bunebrivia,<br />
mivedi. mTeli kinodarbazi JurnalistebiT<br />
iyo savse, deputatebi<br />
iq kantikuntad iyvnen, anu organizebuli<br />
iyo... cota ki meniSna,<br />
amdeni Jurnalisti erTad am Temaze<br />
raRac arabunebrivi iyo. sxdomas<br />
levan beJaSvili xelmZRvanelobda,<br />
rogorc iuridiuli komitetis<br />
Tavmjdomare, tribunaze nika<br />
gvaramia avida da imiT ki ar daiwyo,<br />
rom koncefcias ganvixilavT<br />
da ai, es problemebia qveyanaSi da<br />
Cven ase migvaCnia saWirodo... daiwyo<br />
imiT, rom es sakiTxi gelbaxianma<br />
daayena da ra ufleba aqvso?..<br />
es is kacia, aslanTan rom muSaobdao,<br />
es arRvevda adamianTa uflebebso,<br />
amas moralze laparakis ufleba<br />
ar aqvso... da mokled, daiwyes<br />
Cemi gasamarTleba giga bokeriam<br />
da nika gvaramiam. erTaderTi,<br />
vinc Cumad ijda, valeri cercvaZe<br />
iyo, danarCeni erTmaneTs cvlida<br />
tribunaze, Cemi lanZRvis Tema iyo<br />
da meti araferi... sadamdec gavu-<br />
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gavCumdi, mere cota avReldi, mere<br />
rom aRar gaCerdnen, mec vupasuxe,<br />
sxva mikrofonTan gavedi da iqidan...<br />
es kamaTi aRar iyo, es iyo<br />
pirovnuli Seuracxyofa, aranairi<br />
saerTo amas sakiTxis ganxilvasTan<br />
ar hqonda... da es sxdoma, bunebrivia,<br />
CaiSala. radgan me sxdoma davtove,<br />
mizani miRweul iqna, rom imaT,<br />
ase vTqvaT, am sxdomaze „gamaSaves”,am<br />
sxdomis CaSla me dambralda.<br />
marTali giTxraT, Zalian<br />
gavnawyendi, telefoni gamovrTe<br />
da saCxereSi wavedi. es iyo paraskevi<br />
dRe... rogorc Cans, es ambavi<br />
saakaSvils imave dRes Seatyobines,<br />
imitom, rom gvian, sadRac 12<br />
saaTze, policiis ufrosi CemTan<br />
saxlSi amovida da miTxra, rom<br />
saswrafod TbilisSi unda Caxvide,<br />
prezidenti geZebso. me telefoni<br />
gavTiSe, kontaqti aravisTan mqonda<br />
da policiis ufross vTxove, iq<br />
wamsvleli ar var, Sen amoxvedi, magram<br />
Tqvi, rom me saCxereSi ar var,<br />
saxlSi ar var-meTqi... _ ara, me magaze<br />
damiWereno. SeSinebuli iyo...<br />
avdeqi da Ramis 12 saaTze prezidentis<br />
administraciis ufross<br />
davureke da vkiTxe, _ ra xdebameTqi?<br />
_ saswrafod unda wamoxvide,<br />
prezidenti geZebso.<br />
meore dRes wavedi... Sevedi da<br />
saakaSvili damxvda, samuSao kabinetSi<br />
ijda, Sevedi, momesalma,<br />
Zalian Tbilad mimiRo da amixsna,<br />
rom yvelaferi vici, rac moxdao,<br />
egeni me aq myavda, davtuqseo, movlen<br />
SenTan da bodiSs mogixdian<br />
cal-calke _ bokeriac da gvaramiac,<br />
imitom, rom rac moxda, maseTi<br />
ram ar SeiZleba, xdebodes da rac<br />
moxda, eg magaTi bralia, Sen<br />
arafer SuaSi xaro... erTi sityviT,<br />
mTxova, rom reformaze muSaoba<br />
gamegrZelebina. me vuTxari, _ manamde<br />
sxva rame xdeboda, rom icode<br />
da afxazeTis deputaciis gauqmebasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT bokeriasTan<br />
didi konfliqti mqonda da maSin<br />
movTxove, pasuxismgebloba piradad<br />
aiRe, rom es Seni iniciativaa,<br />
amiT Cven afxazeTs vkargavT-meTqi.<br />
rogorc ki afxazeTis deputat-<br />
Ta korpuss gavauqmebT, es imas ni-<br />
Snavs, rom saqarTvelos afxazeTis<br />
parlamentSi aRar gvyavs warmomadgenloba-meTqi.<br />
maSin bokerias<br />
vkiTxe, _ saakaSvilis azric aseTia,<br />
Tu Sen iReb amaze pasuxismgeblobas-meTqi?<br />
_ ara, es Cemi pasuxismgeblobaao.<br />
me saakaSvils vuTxari,<br />
rom roca es moxda da man pasuxismgebloba<br />
Tavis Tavze aiRo,<br />
maSin Sen sad iyavi-meTqi? saakaSvilma<br />
miTxra, _ me es gvian gavige<br />
da amisTvis deda vagineo. eg iyo<br />
sibece, magram ra vqnaT, axla am<br />
saqmes ukan ver SemovabrunebTo...<br />
mag giJ bokerias yurs nu ugdeb,<br />
Sen gaagrZele reformao, _ ai, es<br />
iyo misi sityvebi. me geTanxmebi sasamarTlos<br />
reformaze, sxva saubari<br />
mqonda masTano. masTan rom<br />
mivedi, hitleris „Cemi brZolidan”<br />
amonaweri mivutane, sadac hitleri<br />
werda: „yvelafers gapatiebs xalxi<br />
erTi ramis garda, Tu mas waarTvi<br />
samarTali”. me vuTxari, _ ai, TviT<br />
hitleric ki amas aRiarebda, rom<br />
sasamarTlo xeluxlebeli unda<br />
iyos da faSisturi germaniis saxelmwifom<br />
ise imuSava, rom yvela<br />
germanelisTvis, yvela tyvisTvis<br />
da yvela daCagruli adamianisTvis<br />
sasamarTlo xelmisawvdomi iyo...<br />
isic gavaxsene, rom dimitrovi, romelsac<br />
raixstagis dawvas abralebdnen,<br />
laipcigis sasamarTlom<br />
udanaSaulod cno, es hitleris<br />
germaniaSi moxda! Sen Tu ginda,<br />
qveyana warmatebuli iyos da warmatebuli<br />
xelisufali iyo, ar<br />
dauSva, rom sasamarTlo sistema-<br />
Si politikuri gavlenebi iyos, amitom<br />
sasamarTlo rom ganTavisufldes,<br />
iseTi sistema unda Seiqmnas,<br />
rom SigniT cxvris Cayofa veravin<br />
SeZlos da Sen mTeli iusticiis<br />
sabWo politikuri figurebiT<br />
gaavse-meTqi. yvelaferi bokerias<br />
gadaabrala. vendeo, miTxra<br />
da iusticiis sabWoc magan daakompleqta,<br />
axla yvelafris iniciativas<br />
TviTon iRebs da is agebs<br />
pasuxs, Tu es reforma ar ganxorcieldao,<br />
magram me gTxov, Sen<br />
gaagrZele reformao. _ rogor unda<br />
gavagrZelo, konfliqtSi unda<br />
viyo am xalxTan-meTqi. cota xnis<br />
Semdeg marTlac movida bokeria da<br />
bodiSi momixada, nika gvaramiamac,<br />
magram Tan daayoles, _ Cven ar<br />
gixdiT bodiSs, es prezidents<br />
unda ase da imitom gixdiT bodiSso.<br />
Cven verasdros viTanamSromlebTo...<br />
ramdenime Tve iyo gasuli,<br />
Semoitanes kanonproeqti saproceso<br />
kodeqsSi cvlilebebis<br />
Setanis Sesaxeb, romelSic iseTi<br />
meqanizmebi iyo, rom udanaSaulo<br />
adamiani mtkicebulebebis gareSe<br />
SeiZleboda, damnaSaved gamogecxadebina.<br />
es meqanizmebi vnaxe, SigniT<br />
bevri cvlileba iyo. amis analizi<br />
davwere, 26-gverdiani, peticiasaviT<br />
da parlamentis Tavmjdomares<br />
gavugzavne. man yvela<br />
Sekriba, maT Soris, bokeriac da<br />
damiZaxa, rogorc avtors. jer<br />
miTxra, _ aq rac weria, Tu es yvelaferi<br />
marTalia, maSin Cven xalxi<br />
gagvasamarTlebso, _ meubneba burjanaZe...<br />
me vuTxari, _ rac aq weria,<br />
es yvelaferi marTalia, yvela<br />
sityvaze vageb pasuxs-meTqi. da<br />
daviwye Tan dokumentis da im proeqtis<br />
ganxilva, romelic Semoitanes.<br />
bokeria aqac warmodgenili<br />
iyo advokatad, man daiwyo, _ es ki<br />
weria aq, magram amas ar gulisxmobso...<br />
ki magram, me veubnebi, xom weria?<br />
ras gulisxmobs da Sen ras<br />
gaakeTeb, es aq ar weria, magram Sen<br />
kars uxsni imas, rom mtkicebulebebis<br />
gareSe kaci daiWiro, sad<br />
aris imis garantia, rom policieli<br />
an prokurori borotad ar gamoiyenebs<br />
am Ria kars, ar aris amis<br />
garantia-meTqi, amitom CavketoT<br />
es kari-meTqi. Tavi moikla, _ Cven<br />
humanuri xelisufleba varT da<br />
magas ar vizamTo da ninomac, Cemda<br />
samwuxarod, mxari dauWira, _<br />
ara, Cven borotebas rogor vizam-<br />
To?!. roca borotebas kars uxsni,<br />
is borotebaa, ukve... aqac aRar<br />
Sedga Cveni ganxilva, imis gamo CaiSala,<br />
rom kvlav aqtiuri pozicia<br />
mqonda, brali davde, rom xelovnurad<br />
midioda es procesi,<br />
rom saqarTveloSi mTlianad<br />
represirebis manqanis Seqmna undodaT<br />
da es Canda ukve... aqedan gamomdinare<br />
SevewinaaRmdege... dabolos,<br />
odnav kosmetikurad SeakeT-<br />
SemoakeTes da oficialurad Semoitanes<br />
kanonproeqti. erTgverdiani<br />
proklamacia davwere. Cems TanaSemwes<br />
vTxove da yvela deputats<br />
oTaxSi magidaze daudes, sadac<br />
ewera, rom es kanoni warmoadgens<br />
iseT kanons, sadac udanaSaulo<br />
adamianis daWera SeiZleba,<br />
gasamarTleba SeiZleba, ganaCenis<br />
gamotana SeiZleba ise, rom aranairi<br />
mtkicebuleba ar iyos saWiro,<br />
amitom nu dauSvebT, es aris istoriuli<br />
Secdoma. me mivmarTavdi<br />
deputatebs. bolos mTavrdeboda<br />
aseTi sityvebiT: es aqlemi erT mSvenier<br />
dRes Tqvens karTanac CaiCoqebs,<br />
amis mainc SegeSindeT-meTqi...<br />
mere, rodesac kanonproeqti<br />
ganxilvaze gamovida, kidev gamoviyene<br />
Cemi sadeputato uflebamosileba,<br />
tribunaze avedi da 20<br />
wuTi mqonda dro, 10 wuTiT kidev<br />
gamigrZela parlamentis Tavmjdomarem<br />
da mTel parlaments<br />
vumtkicebdi, rom amis miReba qveynis<br />
daRupva iyo, rom amiT qveyana-<br />
Si didi represiebi daiwyeboda,<br />
romlis SeCereba ukve aRaravis<br />
SeeZlo da es iyo mizanmimarTuli<br />
idea imisTvis, rom es momxdariyo.<br />
amisTvis saqarTvelos parlamentis<br />
yvela deputats gTxovT, win<br />
gidevT proklamaciebi, icodeT, es<br />
safrTxe Tqvens ojaxebsac emuqreba,<br />
nu ggoniaT, rom es marto sxvisTvis<br />
aris. amitom axla ar<br />
daaWiroT xeli im pults, sadac am<br />
kanonis miReba xdeba-meTqi. mokled,<br />
me ki mismina im parlamentma<br />
yuradRebiT, magram kenWisyraze<br />
absoluturad yvelam misca xma. ra<br />
unda meqna? parlamenti mTlianad<br />
gavlenis qveS iyo. me rac SemeZlo<br />
winaaRmdegobis gaweva, gavuwie,<br />
amis Semdeg ara marto winaaRmdegobis<br />
gaweva, Cemsa da bokerias<br />
gunds Soris antagonisturi damokidebulebebi<br />
daiwyo, ukve Rrma<br />
opoziciuri damokidebuleba iyo,<br />
romelmac, bunebrivia, mere saakaSvilamde<br />
gadainacvla. roca davinaxe,<br />
es reforma Cavarda, amis Semdeg<br />
mivedi da movTxove, _ modi,<br />
meore mTavari raRaca mainc gavakeToT,<br />
rom konstituciaSi cvlilebebi<br />
SevitanoT, teritoriuli<br />
mowyobis sakiTxi ganvsazRvroT<br />
da orpalatiani parlamenti SevqmnaT.<br />
es aris gamosavali afxazeTisa<br />
da samaCablos regulaciebisTvis-meTqi.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, damijera...<br />
mijerebda Tu ara ar vici,<br />
magram es winadadeba miiRo, mere<br />
parlamentis sxdomaze prezidenti<br />
movida da sajarod damavala, rom<br />
es proeqti momemzadebina da sajarod<br />
ganacxada, rom momavali<br />
wlidan saqarTvelos orpalatiani<br />
parlamenti eyoleba. iyo taSi, ovaciebi,<br />
ra Tqma unda, me proeqti movamzade,<br />
yvela deputatma xeli<br />
momiwera imitom, rom prezidentma<br />
Tqva... prezidentma mTxova, es Cemi<br />
iniciativiT Semovides parlamentSi<br />
daCqarebuli wesiT, rom miReba<br />
moxdeso. es kanonproeqti me mivitane<br />
da Taroze Semoido... amis<br />
Semdeg kvlav viyavi prezidentTan<br />
da Sevaxsene, _ Tqven ukve ityuebiT-meTqi,<br />
sasamarTlo reformaze<br />
dampirdiT da bokerias jgufi damajaxeT<br />
ise, rom yvelaferi Cemi<br />
iniciativiT Cavarda da ra reformac<br />
miiReT, ki vxedavT... ukve<br />
represiebi dawyebulia-meTqi. magaze<br />
miTxra, _ ai, erTi weli, ori<br />
weli qveynisTvis es saWiroa da<br />
mere axal reformas daviwyebT da<br />
iq CaerTeo... mokled, iqac bokeriam<br />
gaitana Tavisi da ras daemsgavsa<br />
qveyana, ki vnaxeT... Semdeg iyo da<br />
is konstituciuri reforma unda<br />
gagvetarebina, iqac Caeria bokeria<br />
da am proeqtis Semotana gaaCera.<br />
miSas ar moawerina xeli, es meore<br />
didi proeqti bokerias mizeziT<br />
Cavarda. me rom mkiTxos kacma, bokeria<br />
daqiravebuli agentiviT moqmedebda,<br />
romelsac saqarTvelo<br />
unda daemuxruWebina, romelsac<br />
qarTveli xalxi unda „daeCmorebina”<br />
(bodiSs vixdi amaze), daeCoqebina,<br />
cixeSi unda Seeyara yvela patriotuli<br />
suliskveTebis adamiani,<br />
unda daeWiraT udanaSaulo<br />
xalxi, viTom damnaSaveebi iyvnen. es<br />
kanonebi amitom gaakeTes. iZulebuli<br />
gavxdi, aRar meTanamSromla<br />
aseTi tipis xelisuflebasTan da<br />
opoziciaSi gavedi, magram vidre<br />
opoziciaSi wavidodi, manamde Cemi<br />
Svili iusticiis saministros generaluri<br />
inspeqciis erT-erT xelmZRvanelad<br />
muSaobda, misi monayoliT<br />
vici, rom cixis buntis<br />
dros, mTel operacias, Tavidan<br />
bolomde, giga bokeria xelmZRvanelobda,<br />
ar gaakara arc erTi<br />
iusticiis xelmZRvaneli piri, ministrsac<br />
ki uTxra, wadi aqedan da<br />
me gavakeTebo... mere, rodesac xelisufleba<br />
Seicvala, baCo axalaias<br />
dasdes brali, rom cixis bunti<br />
man moawyo. baCo axalaia, ra<br />
Tqma unda, am procesSi monawileobda,<br />
magram organizatori da xelmZRvaneli<br />
giga bokeria iyo. bokeriasTvis<br />
erTi sityva ar uTqvams<br />
aravis, rom mas danaSauli hqonda<br />
Cadenili da pasuxi unda ego. erTi<br />
sityva aravin uTxra mas, 40 milioni<br />
gaflanga, rodesac uSiSroebis<br />
mdivani iyo da sad wavida es<br />
fuli. erTi sityva aravin uTxra,<br />
rom aseTi kanonmdebloba miiRo<br />
parlamentma magis iniciativiT da<br />
400 aTasi udanaSaulo adamiani<br />
cixeSi ijda. ratom? imitom, rom<br />
TavSive viRacis davalebas da vi-<br />
Racis direqtivebs asrulebda da<br />
boloSi aRmoCnda, rom garigebaSi<br />
iyo yovelTvis.<br />
_ aris Tu ara garigebis nawili<br />
is procesebi, rac dRes xde-<br />
ba „nacionalur moZraobaSi”?<br />
_ me arc saakaSvilis damcveli<br />
var da arc bokeriasi da arc sxvisi,<br />
magram faqtis winaSe varT, rom<br />
am oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi „nacmoZraobam”<br />
rasac gauZlo, amas<br />
verc erTi monoliTuri partia<br />
ver gauZlebda. faqtia, rom am partiam<br />
krizisi gadaitana. krizisgadatanilma<br />
partiam rom saqarTveloSi<br />
600 aTasamde xma miiRo, es<br />
imas niSnavs, rom am partias Zala<br />
aqvs, am partias mxardamWeri hyavs<br />
da am partias momavali aqvs... albaT,<br />
aman SeaSfoTa bokeriasnairi<br />
daqiravebuli adamianebi da partiis<br />
ganadgurebisTvis Ria moqmedebebi<br />
daiwyes, amas faruli aRar<br />
hqvia. es aris Ria moqmedebebi, rac<br />
imas niSnavs, rom Tu mixeil saakaSvils<br />
am partiidan mokveTen, aseT<br />
SemTxvevaSi „nacmoZraobis” is<br />
frTa, romelic saakaSvils uWers<br />
mxars, partiidan gava, amiT „nacmoZraoba”<br />
daiSleba da mxolod<br />
deputatTa arsebuli korpusi<br />
SerCeba, es deputatTa korpusi<br />
Semdeg raRac svlas gaakeTebs,<br />
axal garigebebs dadebs da saer-<br />
Tod, axal politikur procesSi<br />
axali formiT da axali saxeliT<br />
moxvdeba. amitom aseTi tipis adamianebs<br />
mudmivoba aqvT amocanad,<br />
oRond mudmiv TamaSSi iyvnen da<br />
yvelanair Rirebulebebs swiraven:<br />
Zmas, dedas, mamas, samSoblos, yvelafers<br />
erT WurWelSi aTavseben<br />
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xmebia? bokerias 0,1 procenti eqneboda,<br />
is xmebi yvela aris saakaSvilis,<br />
ai, esaa obieqturoba. amitom<br />
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muxlebs:<br />
muxli 05 01 09 _ binaTmesakuTreTa<br />
amxanagobebis ganviTarebis<br />
xelSewyobis programa<br />
etebi.<br />
yvelaze sainteresoa muxli<br />
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Seni qalaqi” _ maT Soris, 246<br />
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48 600 lari maTi<br />
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momsaxurebis xarjebi 10 440<br />
lari da sxv. Zalian sasacilo<br />
cifria, martivad rom daviTvaloT,<br />
es sapilote programa<br />
„marTe Seni qalaqi” 2016 wels<br />
Catarda saburTalos raionSi,<br />
mTel qalaqSi, aTive raionSi,<br />
romelic 5 000 000 milioni<br />
lari dajdeba da, daaxloebiT,<br />
300-mde „qarTuli ocnebis” aqtivists<br />
daasaqmebs. ratomaa<br />
saWiro damatebiTi programa,<br />
roca TiToeul gamgeobas<br />
„Tbilisis korpusis” warmomadgenlebi<br />
hyavs da maT SeuZliaT<br />
gadaamzadon amxanagobebis<br />
Tavmjdomareebi? rodesac opozicias<br />
SeniSvnebi hqonda biujetTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, mTavari<br />
SeniSvnebi iyo planSeturi kompiuteris<br />
SeZenaze, romelic<br />
uweriaT, rom TiTos SeiZenen<br />
500 larad, Semdeg, opoziciis<br />
melic winasaarCevnod gamgeblis<br />
Sexedulebisamebr moisyidis<br />
sakuTar amomrCevlebs.<br />
erTjeradi fuladi daxmarebisTvis,<br />
magaliTad, gldanis raioni<br />
iTxovs 60 000 lars; naZaladevi<br />
_ 130 500; didube _ 600<br />
000; CuRureTi _ 250 000; vake _<br />
200 000; saburTalo erT TeTrsac<br />
ar iTxovs; isani _ 150 000;<br />
samgori _ 500 000; krwanisi _<br />
200 000; mTawminda _ 200 000 lari.<br />
vinmem agvixsnas, _ ra kriteriumebiT<br />
aris SerCeuli es<br />
ricxvebi? saburTaloze ar<br />
hyavT adamianebi, visac erTjeradi<br />
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`Tbilisis biujeti aris<br />
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kursiT gamodis 297 milioni<br />
dolari, xolo 2014 wlis biujeti,<br />
romelic, mxolod da mxolod,<br />
785 milioni lari iyo,<br />
491 milioni amerikuli dolari<br />
gamodioda maSindeli kursiT,<br />
amaSi calsaxad wagebulebi<br />
varT, magram aq aris sxva detalebi.<br />
viciT, rom 2017 weli aris<br />
TviTmmarTvelobisTvis saarCevno<br />
weliwadi da yvela muxli,<br />
romelic biujetSia mocemuli,<br />
dawyebuli sagzaodan, infrastruqtura,<br />
ekologiuri mdgomareoba,<br />
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absoluturad yvela muxl-<br />
Si biujeti aris Semcirebuli,<br />
asevea sazogadoebrivi dacva da<br />
usafrTxoeba. rac Seexeba binaTmesakuTreTa<br />
amxanagobebis<br />
gaerTianebas, es muxli gazrdilia<br />
milion 152 000 lariT da<br />
naZaladevis raionSi _ 200 000<br />
lari gaTvaliswinebulia, mxolod<br />
da mxolod, treningebSi,<br />
seminarebsa da konkursebSi.<br />
muxli 05 01 10 _ binaTmesakuTreTa<br />
amxanagobebis ganvi-<br />
Tarebis xelSewyobis programa<br />
didubis raionSi _ 100 000 lari<br />
prizi planSeturi kompiuteri<br />
(200c. 500 lari), 100 000 lari<br />
dajildoebis ceremonia,<br />
konkursebi, treningebi.<br />
muxli 05 01 11 _ binaTmesakuTreTa<br />
amxanagobebis ganvi-<br />
Tarebis xelSewyobis programa<br />
CuRureTis raionSi _ 42 000<br />
lari _ treningebi, broSurebi,<br />
furSetebi.<br />
muxli 05 01 12 _ binaTmesakuTreTa<br />
amxanagobebis ganviTarebis<br />
xelSewyobis programa<br />
vakis raionSi _ 42 000 lari _<br />
treningebi, broSurebi, furS-<br />
sadac 34 adamiani iyo dasaqmebuli,<br />
aqedan 4 iyo proeqtis<br />
xelmZRvaneli da 30 proeqtis<br />
monawile. aseve mniSvnelovania,<br />
rom is 30 adamiani, calsaxad<br />
iyo „qarTuli ocnebis” aqtivisti.<br />
es sapilote programa, mxolod<br />
da mxolod, imisTvis gaakeTes,<br />
rom TavianTi amomrCevlebi<br />
daesaqmebinaT. 10 000 lari<br />
warmoidgineT, satelefono<br />
xarjebia da ra kolosalur<br />
ricxvs viRebT. nebismieri kav-<br />
Sirgabmulobis kompania gvTavazobs<br />
yovelTviur ulimito<br />
momsaxurebas 25 an 20-larian<br />
pakets. es rom 30 kacze gavamravloT,<br />
10 000 lari namdvilad<br />
ar jdeba. am SemTxvevaSi, meria<br />
biujetSi pirdapir gvatyuebs.<br />
programa erT raionSi 500 000<br />
lari dajda, am sapilote programis<br />
ganxorcieleba surT<br />
SeniSvnebze dasaxeleba _ plan-<br />
Seturi kompiuteri gaaqres da<br />
Caweres, rom afinanseben sapilote<br />
programas, magram sapilote<br />
programas rodesac vnaxulobT,<br />
iq ukve CamoSlilia, rom<br />
SeviZenT kompiuterebs da a. S.<br />
_ biujetis sxva muxlebze<br />
ras ityviT?<br />
_ SemiZlia biujetis sxva muxlebzec<br />
visaubro, magram umTavresi,<br />
rac Cven gvaqvs da namdvilad<br />
korufciuli Canasaxia<br />
Tbilisis biujetSi, es aris socialuri<br />
muxliT erTjeradi<br />
fuladi daxmarebis programa.<br />
aq saintereso rames vxvdebiT,<br />
muxli TiToeul gamgeobas sxvadasxvanairad<br />
aqvs Sedgenili,<br />
sxvadasxva Tanxaa miTiTebuli<br />
da arsad ar aris gawerili gacemis<br />
wesi da kriteriumebi, es<br />
aris korufciuli biujeti, ro-<br />
mareba sWirdeba, Tu gldani,<br />
romelic yvelaze didi raionia?!<br />
magaliTad, CuRureTi, romelic<br />
ufro patara raionia,<br />
ratom aris kolosaluri sxvaoba,<br />
roca is 60 000-s iTxovs, is<br />
ki 250 000-s, an, Tundac, samgori<br />
da gldani, TiTqmis Tanabrebi<br />
arian, ratom aris gldanis<br />
biujetis moTxovna 8-jer<br />
ufro meti samgorTan SedarebiT<br />
am muxlSi?! an gldanis biujets<br />
ratom aRemateba samjer<br />
mTawmindis biujeti?! upirveles<br />
yovlisa, ar arsebobs arc<br />
erTi wesi gawerili, Tu ra kriteriumebiT<br />
unda moxdes fuladi<br />
daxmarebis sazogadoebamde<br />
mitana. Cven viciT erTaderTi<br />
wesi, rodesac moqalaqe dawers<br />
gancxadebas da Tu gamgebeli<br />
aris karg xasiaTze, mas daufinansebs,<br />
an Tu „qarTuli ocnebis”<br />
warmomadgeneli gauwevs rekomendacias<br />
am adamians. Cven<br />
ukve viciT, rom xarjebi mimarTulia<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis ar-<br />
Cevnebze, amas emateba fuladi<br />
daxmarebis muxlebi, sadac calsaxad<br />
SegviZlia CavTvaloT,<br />
rom adamianebi iqnebian mosyidulebi.<br />
saintereso faqtia, rodesac<br />
raionebis CaSlaSi mivdivarT,<br />
CuRureTi wers, rom am<br />
250 000 laridan 500 lars Cavuricxav<br />
erTjerad fulad daxmarebas,<br />
sxva wers, rom moqalaqes<br />
250 lariT daexmareba,<br />
ratom aris aseTi sxvaoba da gansxvaveba?!<br />
magaliTad, Tu gldanis<br />
gamgeoba ambobs, rom Cems<br />
mcxovrebs mivcem 250 lars, vake<br />
ambobs, rom mivcem 500 lars.<br />
ratom aris erT qalaqSi amxela<br />
sxvaoba, roca erT qalaqSi<br />
cxovroben, saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi<br />
arian da, saerTod,<br />
ratom iyofa prestiJul da<br />
10<br />
10 N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.
araprestiJul raionebad?!<br />
_ mosaxleobis raodenobis<br />
mixedviT xom ar aris gay-<br />
ofili?<br />
_ ara, mosaxleobis raodenobaze<br />
rom iyos gayofili,<br />
gldans unda hqondes yvelaze<br />
didi biujeti. gldani da<br />
samgoria yvelaze didi raioni<br />
mosaxleobis mxriv. saintereso<br />
detali iyo wina wels saaRdgomo<br />
saCuqrebTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
maSin Tqveni gazeTisa da televiziis<br />
meSveobiT visaubreT, magaliTad,<br />
erTi saaRdgomo sasaCuqre<br />
kalaTa Tu samgors<br />
ujdeboda erT ojaxze 15-dan<br />
17 laramde, vakeSi es jdeboda<br />
33-dan 40 laramde. sasaCuqre<br />
kalaTis Semadgenlobac iyo<br />
gansxvavebuli. magaliTad, samgorels<br />
ar unda hqonoda Sesqelebuli<br />
rZe da 1 kg Sokoladi,<br />
maT mxolod brinji da wiwibura<br />
argunes. raionul dayofasa<br />
da privilegiebsac asxvavebs<br />
meria, gareubansa da centrSi<br />
mcxovreb xalxs. SekiTxva<br />
maqvs qalaqis meriasTan da saburTalos<br />
gamgeobasTan, _ ratom<br />
aris, rom saburTalos gamgeobas<br />
am konkretul muxlSi<br />
nuli uwria? saburTaloze ar<br />
gvyavs adamianebi, visac socialuri<br />
daxmareba sWirdeba, visac<br />
erTjeradi daxmareba sWirdeba<br />
konkretuli programis mosagvareblad?!<br />
es aris Zalian mZimed<br />
asaxuli biujeti, sadac<br />
opoziciis SeniSvnebi mmarTvelma<br />
gundma ar gaiTvaliwina.<br />
aseTive TanmimdevrobiT rom<br />
mivyveT sxvadasxva momsaxurebas,<br />
saintereso faqtebs SevxvdebiT.<br />
magaliTad, muxlSi socialuri<br />
daxmarebebis Sesaxeb,<br />
sadac aris medikamentebis Sesyidva<br />
da dafinanseba, gldani iTxovs<br />
600 000 lars; naZaladevi<br />
_ 443 000 lars; didube _ 826<br />
112 lars; saburTalo arc erT<br />
TeTrs ar iTxovs; CuRureTi _<br />
591 676 lars; vake _ 964 800<br />
lars; isani _ 253 140 lars;<br />
samgori _ 1 525 000 lars; krwanisi<br />
_ 542 000 lars; mTawminda<br />
_ 800 000 lars. yvela aris sxvadasxva<br />
raodenobis Tanxa da<br />
ra kriteriumebiT aris Sedgenili,<br />
veravin xsnis da veravin<br />
geubneba. magaliTad, medikamentebis<br />
dafinansebaSi SeiZleba<br />
vicodeT, rom gldanSi gvyavs<br />
100 socialurad daucveli da<br />
saburTaloze _ 90, davTvaloT<br />
amis mixedviT, magram erTi wlis<br />
ganmavlobaSi Cven xom ar viciT,<br />
vin gagvixdeba cudad da vis<br />
ra Rirebulebis medikamenti<br />
dasWirdeba, saidan moaqvT es<br />
ricxvi?!<br />
_ gansazRvruli kriteri-<br />
umebis Sesaxeb oficialurad<br />
Tu mimarTeT merias?<br />
_ Cveni mravalgzis moTxovnis<br />
miuxedavad da aTasjer gagzavnili<br />
werilisa, es wesi arsad<br />
devs, mxolod da mxolod, adgilze,<br />
gamgeobebis gadawyvetilebiT<br />
xdeba prioritetebis<br />
miniWeba. yofila bevri SemTxveva,<br />
rodesac gamgeobaSi or adamians<br />
Seutania gancxadeba, er-<br />
TisTvis ar daukmayofilebiaT,<br />
romelsac ufro uWirda da meorisTvis<br />
daukmayofilebiaT.<br />
ratom daukmayofilebiaT? imitom,<br />
rom „qarTuli ocnebis” aqtivistma,<br />
koordinatorma Tu<br />
sxvam masze gasca rekomendacia.<br />
aseTi bevri SemTxveva yofila.<br />
Cven ar gvinda, yvelaferi warmoCenili<br />
iyos ise, rom Zalian<br />
vekamaTebiT saarCevno WrilSi,<br />
magram calsaxaa, rom Cveni, antikorufciuli<br />
institutis kvlevis<br />
SedegebiT sxva Sefasebas<br />
ver iRebs es biujeti. es aris<br />
biujeti, romlis TiToeul nawilSi<br />
Cadebulia korufciuli<br />
niSnebi! ratom aris binaTmesakuTreTa<br />
Sesaxeb muxli gazrdili<br />
152 000 lariT, roca danarCeni<br />
Semcirebulia?! magali-<br />
Tad, biujetis pirvel TavSi<br />
N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.<br />
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`10 000 lari warmoidgineT, ramxela satelefono<br />
xarjebia da ra kolosalur ricxvs viRebT.<br />
nebismieri kavSirgabmulobis kompania gvTavazobs<br />
yovelTviur ulimito momsaxurebas 25 an 20-larian<br />
pakets. es rom 30 kacze gavamravloT, 10 000 lari<br />
namdvilad ar jdeba. am SemTxvevaSi, meria biujetSi<br />
pirdapir gvatyuebs. programa erT raionSi 500 000<br />
lari dajda, am sapilote programis ganxorcieleba<br />
surT mTel qalaqSi, aTive raionSi, romelic 5 000<br />
000 milioni lari dajdeba da, daaxloebiT, 300-mde<br />
`qarTuli ocnebis~ aqtivists daasaqmebs. ratomaa<br />
saWiro damatebiTi programa, roca TiToeul<br />
gamgeobas `Tbilisis korpusis~ warmomadgenlebi<br />
hyavs da maT SeuZliaT gadaamzadon amxanagobebis<br />
Tavjdomareebi? rodesac opozicias SeniSvnebi<br />
hqonda biujetTan dakavSirebiT, mTavari SeniSvnebi<br />
iyo planSeturi kompiuteris SeZenaze, romelic<br />
uweriaT, rom TiTos SeiZenen 500 larad, Semdeg,<br />
opoziciis SeniSvnebze dasaxeleba - planSeturi<br />
kompiuteri gaaqres da Caweres, rom afinanseben<br />
sapilote programas, magram sapilote programas<br />
rodesac vnaxulobT, iq ukve CamoSlilia, rom<br />
SeviZenT kompiuterebs da a. S~<br />
sagzao infrastruqturis mowesrigebis<br />
RonisZiebebi iyo<br />
149 da xdeba 118 milioni. dedaqalaqSi<br />
gzebi ra mdgomareoba-<br />
Sia, laparakic ki zedmetia da<br />
absoluturad yvela gamgeobas<br />
am mxriv Camoklebuli aqvs Tanxebi.<br />
Semdegi Tavi es aris infrastruqturuli<br />
obieqtebis mSenebloba,<br />
eqspluatacia da avariuli<br />
Senobebis gamagreba, es<br />
muxli ganisazRvreba 28 milioni<br />
lariT. gare ganaTebis qselebis<br />
reabilitacia milion 300<br />
000-iT mcirdeba, qalaqis ganvi-<br />
Tarebis xelSewyoba iyo 45 milioni<br />
da 16 milionamde Camoiyvanes.<br />
Semdegi muxlia ekologiuri<br />
mdgomareobis SenarCuneba<br />
da gaumjobeseba, aqac mcirdeba<br />
6 milioni lariT, am TvalsazrisiT<br />
ras akeTebs dedaqalaqis<br />
meria, CemTvis saerTod<br />
ucnobia, magram wina wels iyo<br />
77 milioni da xdeba 71. ekonomikis<br />
ganviTarebis xelSewyobac<br />
mcirdeba milion 277 aTas<br />
600 lariT. jandacva da socialuri<br />
uzrunvelyofa mcirdeba,<br />
daaxloebiT, 30 milioni<br />
lariT. pirvel rigSi, es muxli<br />
unda izrdebodes da aqac Semcirebebi<br />
gvaqvs. sxvaTa Soris,<br />
socialuri dacva mcirdeba 29<br />
milioniT, es im dros, rodesac<br />
acxadebdnen, rom yvela socialurad<br />
daucvels daexmarebodnen.<br />
komunaluri subsidireba<br />
mcirdeba 14 milion 470 aTasiT,<br />
samedicino da sxva socialuri<br />
saWiroebebis daxmarebis<br />
RonisZieba mcirdeba 7 milion<br />
300 000 lariT; samgzavro gadayvanisa<br />
da SeRavaTiani tarifiT<br />
mosargeble pirebis momsaxureba<br />
6 milionze metiT mcirdeba;<br />
socialuri daxmarebis RonisZieba<br />
raionSi 3 milon 715 aTasi<br />
lariT mcirdeba da ufaso swavleba<br />
sportskolebSi da sacurao<br />
auzebSi, romliTac sargebloben<br />
mravalSvilianebi, socialurad<br />
daucvelebi da a. S.<br />
es mcirdeba 76 500 lariT. ganaTlebaSic<br />
socialurad daucveli<br />
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TebT, civilizacias SevitanT. saxels<br />
gadavarqmevT da Íîâîðîññèàs<br />
davarqmevT”.<br />
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da margalitebs dayrian,<br />
Cven ki isini momavali wlis bolos<br />
avkrifoT.<br />
me Sen getyvi da, gagviWirdeba<br />
an dayra, an akrefa. axal wels<br />
gilocavT da mxiarul, Sinaarsian<br />
weliwads gisurvebT!..<br />
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vils qveyanaSi ar CamouSvebT<br />
da am gziT aicilebT yvela garTulebas<br />
Tavidan. frTxilad,<br />
skaips ufrTxildiT, did demonstraciebzec<br />
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iqnebiT, rom „rusTavi2"-s wai-<br />
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imas vuSveb samsaxuridano, eg<br />
karg Sedegs mogitanT? ager me<br />
ki ara, gia xuxaSvilic geubnebaT,<br />
es mwared dagibrundeba-<br />
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uli generatorebis gadamkide, magram am mieTmoeTSi erTi ram<br />
gvaviwydeba, mTavari ganmasxvavebeli niSani, _ maSin aravin<br />
gveubneboda, rom kargad vcxovrobT, rom ar izrdeba fasebi,<br />
araferi mosdis erovnul valutas da a. S. erTxel Tqva nanuli<br />
SevardnaZem, momWirne diasaxlisi ojaxs mTel Tves 7 lar-<br />
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magram axla me Tqven gekiTxebiT, msgavsi ram ramdenjer iTq-<br />
va, Tundac, mxolod gugula Zalos piridan?<br />
ager, axlac, gamoxta da gai-<br />
Zaxis, Tambaqos gaZvireba sasargebloao.<br />
Se kai adamiano, Tu<br />
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xalxi kuboSi da is xili da Sokoladi,<br />
jamiT xorbalTan er-<br />
Tad TavTiT daudgas! ise, am<br />
xelisuflebas ki exerxeba kuboebze<br />
tenderebis cxadeba. ai,<br />
Tavad maradiulad qorfa guguli<br />
ki mudam parlamentSi unda<br />
ijdes da iqidan moZRvros<br />
gertruda stainiviT mTeli<br />
eri!<br />
mokled, biZinas reJims 90-<br />
iani wlebisgan ganasxvavebs utifrobis<br />
xarisxi. diax, maSin ar<br />
gvabolebdnen, mainc rom yvelaferi<br />
kargad iyo, Cumad mainc<br />
iyvnen, axla ki ufaso fulis<br />
ra mogaxsenoT da Wkuas ki<br />
yoveldRe gvarigeben ufasod.<br />
ar aqvT, magram mainc gvarigeben,<br />
gagigiaT aseTi guluxvoba?<br />
gugula Zalo ki moZRvravs<br />
ers, sviT da WameTo da Tan Tu<br />
adre 10-TeTriani salaTis furcliT<br />
da gvian bazarze wamokrefili<br />
lartya-lurtya xorciT<br />
gvimaspinZldeboda mTel<br />
ers, axla _ xiliT da SokoladiT.<br />
ra ginda, Tematuri qalia,<br />
Tovlis bebo gugula _ saaxalwod<br />
xili da Sokoladebi mogvayara.<br />
da is sul ar enaRvleba,<br />
rom xilic da Sokoladebic<br />
sigaretze naklebad ar Zvrdeba.<br />
gegoneba, laris vardna,<br />
sawvavze, Tambaqoze fasebis<br />
zrda aranair zegavlenas ar<br />
axdens sxva produqciis gaZvirebaze,<br />
gegoneba, marto sawvavi<br />
da sigareti Zvirdeba da<br />
sxva yvelaferi ucvlelad rCeba.<br />
magram gugula Zalos ra unda<br />
mosTxovo, komunisturi moralis<br />
mkvlevar fsiqologs,<br />
roca, ager, finansTa ministris<br />
moadgile kakauriZe xaduris<br />
rekordebs rekordul droSi<br />
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gaZvirdeba 20-25 Te-<br />
TriT, magram sawvavis komponenti<br />
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rodesac davTvaleT,<br />
sawvavs ra wili uWiravs Ti-<br />
Toeuli produqtis RirebulebaSi,<br />
maT Soris pirveladi moxmarebis<br />
produqtebze, vnaxeT,<br />
rom Zalian mcire wili aqvs da<br />
SemiZlia vTqva, rom produqtebze<br />
fasebis zrda mosalodneli<br />
ar ariso.<br />
ara, ras ambobT?! aranair<br />
produqcias ar sWirdeba transportireba,<br />
arc nedleulis<br />
da Semdeg arc mza produqciis<br />
adgilamde mitanaa saWiro.<br />
transportirebaSi ki, aba, ra<br />
SuaSia sawvavi, Tu intrigani ar<br />
xar? da, saerTod, Tu marTla<br />
intrigani ar xar, ras uyureb<br />
fasebs, rom ukve gazrdilia?<br />
ager, ministris moadgile ambobs,<br />
ar gaizrdebao da ar unda<br />
daijero? mere ra, rom fasebi<br />
ukve gazrdilia, mainc unda<br />
daijero, Tu xar qoci WeSmariti!<br />
aba, ra gindaT, miSa mobrundes?<br />
ar gindaT, xom? hoda,<br />
unda iaxadoT meti sawvav-<br />
Sic, denSic, gazSic, purSic,<br />
sigaretSic, es yvelaferi imisTvis<br />
keTdeba, rom is gadareuli<br />
miSa ar mobrundes. aba,<br />
Tqven ra gegonaT? asea saWiro.<br />
arada, am marTlac gamoqocebul<br />
mTavrobas aviwydeba, rom<br />
swored am fasebis upragono<br />
matebiT da cxovrebis donis<br />
gauaresebiT, swored miSas potenciur<br />
mxardamWerTa ricxvs<br />
zrdian. Segnebulad vwer miSas<br />
N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.<br />
zebra ubia virada<br />
da ara „nacionalur moZraobas”,<br />
radgan xalxSi swored am<br />
tipis imedi Cndeba _ qveyana ise<br />
airia, am domxals miSa TuRa<br />
daalagebs. da es Cndeba mis mxardamWerebSi<br />
ki ara, im nawil-<br />
Sic, romelsac miSa didad ar<br />
epitnaveba, im xalxSi, romelmac<br />
2012 wels xma misca xelisuflebidan<br />
mis CamoSorebas,<br />
metic, ager axlac ar miucia<br />
xma misi partiisTvis. arc<br />
axla undaT, magram sxva gzas<br />
veRar xedaven, xedaven, rom<br />
radikaluri cvlilebebis gareSe<br />
am yofas aRaraferi eSveleba.<br />
da is ki axsovT, vis aqvs<br />
Sno am tipis radikaluri cvlilebebisa.<br />
swored es xalxi gamocvivdeba<br />
quCaSi, swored es<br />
xalxi mogevlinebaT mis dasayrdenad<br />
mis naxevarmilionian<br />
aqtiur mxardamWerTan erTad.<br />
ager, Cemi erTi ganqocebuli<br />
axlobeli, romelic didis<br />
ambiT Seegeba 2012-Si baton bi-<br />
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xizilalis Wamaze gadavidoda<br />
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ergo, am arCevnebze gamwarebulma<br />
yvela gadaxaza im Tavisi<br />
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_ sadaa eg miSa, Tu modis,<br />
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qarTul sazogadoebas, diax,<br />
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dagijeres Tqvenc... ra vqnaT,<br />
uyvarT feradi sizmrebic, magram,<br />
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krifeT mere krwanisis yayaCoebi.<br />
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ra Zala aqvs? moqmedebs, rogorc<br />
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Zalian magario, _ aravin daujerebs.<br />
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konstitucias, ki xvdebiT _<br />
TerZi biZo. es yvelaferi gardauvalia,<br />
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umravlesoba aqvT, magram mTel<br />
am mieTmoeTSi sasacilo iciT,<br />
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saWiro araa? an Tqven ratom<br />
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kaxa kalaZis<br />
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nino tabaRua<br />
ukve vice-premieri. daibada sa-<br />
mtrediaSi da gaicnes italiidan.<br />
SromiT miaRwia „milanamde” da mere Camovida saqarTvelo-<br />
Si. iyo sportsmeni da axla qveynis vice-premieria, Tumca<br />
manamde iyo „qarTuli ocneba” da energetikis ministroba.<br />
dRes „komfortis zona” kaxi kalaZes eTmoba. maS, ase! _ var-<br />
skvlavbiWuna samtrediidan.<br />
qonebis deklaracia namdvilad<br />
STambeWdavia da misi karieruli<br />
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iqneboda, ministrs, an, Tundac,<br />
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TxuTmeti msubuqi avtomanqana,<br />
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(sami lado gudiaSvilisa da sami<br />
elene axvledianis) gasakviri sulac<br />
ar aris.<br />
TqvenTvis misi „komfortis<br />
zonis” adgilmdebareobis mosayolad,<br />
pirvelad, misamarTi unda<br />
gemego.<br />
Tavidan saburTaloze, sakmaod<br />
maRla, burZglas quCas (Ti-<br />
Tqmis patara goraa) mivadeqi, romelzedac<br />
axalaSenebul da mSenebare<br />
saxlebs Soris ukve yviTlad<br />
SeRebili korpusi iyo aRmarTuli.<br />
korpusis win mcire zomis<br />
axaldarguli xeebia da korpusSi<br />
Sesasvlelad ramdenime safexuriani<br />
kibis avla giwevs. am<br />
kibeebze asvlisas gogona SevniSne<br />
da vkiTxe:<br />
_ ukacravad, kaxi kalaZe am<br />
binaSi cxovrobs?<br />
_ cxovrobda, rogorc vici,<br />
magram gadavidnen.<br />
_ kargi, gmadlobT, _ veubnebi<br />
da korpusSi Sevdivar, rom zustad<br />
gavarkvio, cxovrobs Tu ara<br />
aq namdvilad vice-premieri.<br />
korpusi Signidan sacxovrebel<br />
saxls hgavs, ruxi feris mTavari<br />
Sesasvlelidan did foieSi<br />
inacvleb, romelsac marjvena da<br />
marcxena mxared kedeli hyofs,<br />
oRond es ukanaskneli ise ostaturadaa<br />
moTavsebuli am mxareebs<br />
14<br />
Soris, rom am kedelSi liftis<br />
Cayenebac ki moaxerxes. axla mTavari<br />
iyo, is mxare amerCia, romel-<br />
Sic aw ukve vice-premieri cxovrobda.<br />
rogorc yovelTvis, am<br />
rubrikaSi, „komfortis zonis”<br />
daTvalierebisas, alRoTi vxelmZRvanelob,<br />
rom imis kars ar<br />
mivadge, viszec giyvebiT, arc es<br />
SemTxveva iyo gamonaklisi. pirvel<br />
sarTulze kari aravin gamiRo<br />
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TeTri karidan sandomiani<br />
saxis Suaxnis qalma gamoixeda:<br />
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kalaZe cxovrobs?<br />
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Tulze.<br />
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daT? rogori mezobeli iyo?<br />
_ fantastikuri, Zalian kargi.<br />
TviTon aq ar cxovrobda, milan-<br />
Si TamaSobda maSin da iSviaTad<br />
Camodioda xolme.<br />
_ ise, raime Sexeba gqondaT?<br />
_ gamarjoba-gagimarjos, mxolod.<br />
mis ded-mamasTan ufro<br />
meti Sexeba mqonda, Zalian kargi<br />
adamianebi arian.<br />
_ axla saerTod aravinaa aq?<br />
_ ara. axla aRaravin.<br />
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nen?<br />
_ mgoni, wyneTSi arian axla.<br />
madlobas vuxdi, vemSvidobebi<br />
da Semdeg sarTulze avdivar (vici,<br />
rom statiis gmiri maRal sar-<br />
Tulze cxovrobda da meti Sansia,<br />
aq ukeT icnobdnen mas). kars<br />
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_ gamarjoba, Jurnalisti var<br />
„qronika+”-dan, ramdenime kiTxva<br />
maqvs kaxi kalaZesTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT, Tu gqoniaT Sexeba,<br />
rogori mezobeli iyo?<br />
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rom cxovrobda, maSin italiaSi<br />
iyo wasuli da ar maxsovs, ar vxvdebodi<br />
xolme, magram vici, rom<br />
zemoT cxovrobda.<br />
_ da saxlSi ar aris vinme,<br />
romelsac Sexeba hqonda mis<br />
mSoblebTan mainc?<br />
_ samwuxarod, gasulebi arian.<br />
_ kargi, gmadlobT, _ veubnebi<br />
da isev maRla miviwev. drodadro,<br />
sarTulebs Soris, kibis<br />
dasrulebisas, xelmarjvniv,<br />
TeTri kari mxvdeba, maintersebs,<br />
risTvis aris gankuTvnili,<br />
Tumca gaRebas ver vaxerxeb<br />
da morigi binis karze vakakuneb.<br />
_ vin aris?<br />
_ Jurnalisti var, ramdenime<br />
kiTxva maqvs kaxi kalaZesTan<br />
dakavSirebiT... _ aRebs.<br />
_ am korpusSi cxovrobda xom<br />
kaxi kalaZe?<br />
_ ki.<br />
_ rame Sexeba gqoniaT?<br />
rogori mezobeli iyo?<br />
_ Zalian kargi.<br />
_ gikiTxavdaT xolme, roca<br />
gxedavdaT?<br />
_ iSviaTad, ar iyo xolme xSirad<br />
aq, milanSi TamaSobda.<br />
_ mSoblebi iyvnen?<br />
_ mSoblebi ki, uSualod vicnob,<br />
kargi adamianebi arian da<br />
ician mokiTxva, mosalmeba.<br />
_ gmadlobT.<br />
radgan am binaSi aRar cxovrobs,<br />
gadavwyvite, sxva misamarTze<br />
gadavinacvlo, Tumca, manamde,<br />
pirvel sarTulze muq yavisfer<br />
kars vadgebi (es ukve marcxena mxarea<br />
am korpusisa) da iqidan samoc<br />
wels gadacilebuli mamakaci<br />
gamodis:<br />
_ gamarjoba, Jurnalisti var,<br />
kaxi kalaZeze mainteresebs, Tu<br />
rogori mezobeli iyo Tqve-<br />
nTvis?<br />
_ araviTari siaxlove ar mqonia.<br />
mxolod is vicodi, rom aq<br />
cxovrobda.<br />
_ ar gxvdebodaT xolme?<br />
_ mama ki, TviTon biWi _ ara. ar<br />
Camodioda, italiaSi iyo. mamamiss<br />
ki vicnobdi, kargi adamiania,<br />
kargi mosaubre.<br />
_ gmadlobT, _ veubnebi da is<br />
kars xuravs, me ki gasasvlelisken<br />
movdivar. cota imedi gamicruvda,<br />
megona, bevrismnaxveli adamiani<br />
met informacias momawvdida,<br />
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magram ara uSavs. axla sxva misamarTze<br />
unda gadavinacvlo. iq,<br />
sadac Cveni vice-premieri namdvilad<br />
cxovrobs da, TavisTavad,<br />
im obieqtebidan, romelic sacxovreblad<br />
aqvs miTiTebuli,<br />
iricxeba is ori bina, romelic<br />
ukrainaSia. aseve, erT-erTi mezoblisgan<br />
miRebuli informaciiT,<br />
sacxovreblad wyneTSi gadavidnen,<br />
amitom wyneTisken mqonda<br />
gezi aRebuli, roca sacxovrebeli<br />
binebis CamonaTvals da misamarTebs<br />
ukeT gadavavle Tvali<br />
da aRmovaCine, rom vakeSi, Wav-<br />
WavaZis quCaze, miTiTebulia misamarTi<br />
da 364 kv.m.-is farTi (vifiqre,<br />
misTvis „samsaxurSi” vakidan<br />
siaruli ufro martivi iqneboda,<br />
vidre wyneTidan yoveldRe<br />
Camosvla), amitomac WavWavaZis<br />
quCas mivaSure.<br />
centraluri vakis teritoriaze,<br />
WavWavaZis quCaze, umaRlesi<br />
saganmanaTleblo centrebi, universitetebia<br />
ganTavsebuli. iq,<br />
sadac mTavrdeba Tbilisis saxelmwifo<br />
universitetis merve<br />
korpusi, tansacmlisa da teqnikis<br />
maRaziebi iwyeba. quCa kenti<br />
ricxvebiTaa danomrili. sapirispiro<br />
mxares iliaunia (ilia Wav-<br />
WavaZis saxelobis universiteti).<br />
gzebze sacobi, xolo gaCerebebze<br />
yviTeli avtobusebis momlodine<br />
studentebis „jari”.<br />
kentebis gayolebaze „sdasus”<br />
(saqarTvelos daviT aRmaSeneblis<br />
saxelobis universiteti) SexvdebiT,<br />
manamde „mziuris” Casasvlelia<br />
Tavisi rkinis figurebiT<br />
da mokirwyluli gziT, yovelTvis<br />
bevri bavSviT da simwvaniT.<br />
ramdenime mSobels bavSvi mohyavs<br />
saseirnod, amindi arc ise kargia,<br />
sadacaa, iwvimebs, Tumca Cans, rom<br />
arc mSoblebs da arc maT patarebs<br />
es ar aRelvebT, radgan suf-<br />
Ta haerze yofna urCevniaT.<br />
amasobaSi „im” kents vadgebi,<br />
sadac unda Sevide. gzis piras,<br />
centralur quCaze, maRali, axalaSenebuli<br />
korpusia aRmarTuli.<br />
pirveli sarTuli maRaziebi-<br />
Taa datvirTuli. sacxovrebeli<br />
korpusis marjvena mxare (wina<br />
mxridan) isea daproeqtebuli,<br />
rom manqanebs sardafSi da mcxovreblebs<br />
(danarCen manqanebsac)<br />
korpusSi, an ezoSi SeeZloT Sesvla<br />
_ anu carielia, Tavisuflad<br />
SeiZleba moZraoba.<br />
sanam korpusSi SexvalT, dacvis<br />
kabina unda gaiaroT, sadac<br />
morige da SesaZloa, kidev ramdenime<br />
adamiani isxdes. kabinas-<br />
Tan Slagbaumicaa, „arasasurveli”<br />
manqanebis kerZo sakuTreba-<br />
Si Sesvlis aRsakveTad.<br />
korpuss ori sadarbazo aqvs:<br />
marjvena _ Savi minis kariT, rkinis<br />
gisosebiT, marcxena _ nacrisferi.<br />
orive maTganSi Sesvla<br />
mxolod im kodis saSualebiTaa<br />
komfortis zona<br />
SesaZlebeli, romelic TiToeul<br />
binas individualuri aqvs.<br />
dacvis sistema _ Tanamedrove.<br />
vxvdebi, rom am sadarbazoSi<br />
kodis gareSe ver Seval (romelic<br />
ar vici), amitom dacvis kabinas<br />
vukakuneb, romelSic sami mamakacia.<br />
erT-erTi maTgani gamodis:<br />
_ gamarjoba, Jurnalisti var<br />
„qronika+”-dan, cnobadi saxeeb-<br />
is „komfortis zonaze” vwer.<br />
rogorc orc vici, kaxi kalaZe cx-<br />
ovrobs am korpusSi, SegiZliaT,<br />
kari gamiRoT, rom mezoblebs<br />
vkiTxo mis Sesaxeb? maintere-<br />
sebs, rogori mezobelia? Sexeba<br />
aqvT Tu ara masTan da ase Semdeg.<br />
_ gamarjoba, ki, aq cxovrobs<br />
meaTe sarTulze, mec mezobeli<br />
var, magram dacvas davuZaxoT,<br />
aba, _ meubneba da dacvas eZaxis.<br />
isic yaviT xelSi, Sav tansacmel-<br />
Si Cacmuli gamodis gareT da<br />
masac imaves veubnebi, rac weRan<br />
avxseni.<br />
_ gamarjoba, gasagebia, rac gainteresebT,<br />
magram ase, nebarTvis<br />
gareSe, kars ver gagiRebT,<br />
davrekav, _ meubneba da telefons<br />
imarjvebs, rekavs. amasoba-<br />
Si im maRal, qera mamakacTan vsaubrob,<br />
romelmac weRan miTxra,<br />
rom mezobeli iyo.<br />
_ rogorc aRniSneT, kalaZes<br />
icnobT, rogori mezobelia?<br />
_ ki, vicnob. samezobloSi<br />
Zalian kargi adamiania, salmiani.<br />
Tu raime daxmareba sWirdeba<br />
vinmes, yvelas mxarSi udgas da<br />
Zalian pozitiuri, dadebiTia.<br />
_ anu gesalmebaT xolme, roca<br />
gxedavT?<br />
_ ki, ra Tqma unda, salmiani da<br />
wesieri kacia.<br />
madlobas vuxdi da amasobaSi<br />
is dacvac gvibrundeba, weRan rom<br />
„ufrosobasTan” gadareka.<br />
_ axla velaparake ufross da<br />
miTxra, kalaZis pres-samsaxurs<br />
daukavSirdeso.<br />
_ kalaZesTan ar mivdivar. mxolod<br />
mezoblebis azri main-<br />
teresebs, _ vuxsni.<br />
_ me ase miTxres, ar vici, _ mpasuxobs<br />
da samive erTad imas<br />
mirCevs, rom zaris saSualebiT<br />
gamovikiTxo mezoblebis azri.<br />
mec sxva gza ar mrCeba da sadarbazosTan<br />
mivdivar, Tan is mamakaci<br />
momyveba, weRan rom miTxra, mezobeli<br />
varo.<br />
_ ai, romelime Rilaks mi-<br />
aWire gvaris gaswvriv, auxseni,<br />
vin xar da yvelafers getyvian.<br />
_ kargi, _ veubnebi da Teoriul<br />
miTiTebas praqtikulad vaxorcieleb.<br />
aqve vityvi, rom CamonaTvalSi,<br />
sadac binis mflobelebis<br />
gvarebia miTiTebuli, ar<br />
iyo kalaZis, Tumca iyo noRaidelis<br />
gvari, es swored „is” noRaidelia,<br />
romelzec axla gaifiqreT.<br />
hoda, saintereso iyo, ras fiqrobda<br />
da rogori mezobeli iyo<br />
misTvis vice-premieri, magram<br />
ramdenime mcdelobis miuxedavad<br />
aravin mipasuxa. amitom morig binaze<br />
gadavedi.<br />
Rilaks TiTi davaWire da pasuxmac<br />
ar daayovna.<br />
_ vin aris? _ mekiTxeboda patara<br />
bavSvis xma.<br />
_ Jurnalisti var, ufrosebi<br />
ar arian?<br />
_ ki.<br />
_ dauZaxe, Tu ar Sewuxdebi, _<br />
veubnebi da isic mirbis. ramdenime<br />
wuTSi „ufrosic” modis da<br />
Tavidan vuxsni vinaobas.<br />
_ aqedan CavweroT, kargi? _ meubneba<br />
da vxvdebi, rom SigniT<br />
SeSvebas arc apirebda, Tumca<br />
mainc vTxove SeSveba, _ aqedan<br />
mirCevniao, _ miTxra da mec informaciis<br />
mopoveba vamjobine.<br />
_ kargi, mainteresebs, rog-<br />
ori mezobelia kaxi kalaZe Tqve-<br />
nTvis?<br />
_ Zalian kargi mezobelia,<br />
Tbili urTierToba gvaqvs, misi<br />
bavSvebi CvenTan Semodian xolme<br />
da Zalian salmiania TviTonac,<br />
mTliani ojaxi. sxva mezobelze<br />
iseTs ver vityvi, rogorc kaxaze.<br />
_ anu xSirad xvdebiT xolme?<br />
_ ki, ki roca aqaa.<br />
_ mis SvilebTanac gaqvT urT-<br />
ierToba?<br />
_ ki da TviTonac yovelTvis<br />
bavSvebs moikiTxavs xolme,<br />
rogor xar da a. S. marto, salmis<br />
garda Zalian Tbilia. oRond mar-<br />
Tla da meti ra meTqmis.<br />
_ Zalian didi madloba.<br />
_ arafris, naxvamdis, _ meubneba<br />
da mec vemSvidobebi.<br />
jeri Semdeg mezobelze midga,<br />
romelic kalaZis binis qveda sar-<br />
Tulze cxovrobs. masac, ra Tqma<br />
unda, vinaobas vuxsni da kiTxvis<br />
dasmas viwyeb, magram saxlSi SeSvebaze<br />
ver viyolieb.<br />
_ rogori mezobelia Tqven-<br />
Tvis kalaZe?<br />
_ Zalian kargi mezobelia.<br />
_ xSirad xedavT?<br />
_ xSirad ara, magram SeZlebisdagvarad.<br />
_ gesalmebaT, gikiTxavT<br />
xolme?<br />
_ ki.<br />
_ gmadlobT.<br />
_ arafris, _ meubneba da maleve<br />
sxva mezobelTan gadavdivar.<br />
_ gamarjoba, Jurnalisti var,<br />
kaxi kalaZes Tu icnobT?<br />
_ piradad ara, magram vici,<br />
rom aq cxovrobs, meaTe sarTulze.<br />
_ Tqven ver xedavT xolme?<br />
_ iSviaTad, mxolod ramdenjerme<br />
myavs nanaxi.<br />
_ gesalmebaT xolme?<br />
_ ki, ki yvelas esalmeba xolme.<br />
am ukanasknelsac madloba gadavuxade,<br />
davemSvidobe. amasoba-<br />
Si samive mamakaci gareT idga da<br />
gulisyuriT elodeboda, rodis<br />
gamovidodi _ mgulSematkivrobda.<br />
maT daxmarebisTvis madloba<br />
gadavuxade.<br />
gareT sxva aravin idga, cioda<br />
da wvima iwyeboda. korpuss avxede,<br />
garedan yvela binas kondicioneri<br />
eyena, muajirs iqiT mziuris<br />
simwvane iSleboda.<br />
dRe damTavrda. vice-premieris<br />
„komfortis zona” vakeSia, _<br />
iq, sadac mudmivad bevri xalxi,<br />
gadatvirTuli moZraoba da ramdenime<br />
„ganaTlebis keraa”.<br />
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xelovnebis galereaSi fotogamofenaze „ruseTi Turqe-<br />
bis TvaliT” sityviT gamodioda. SeiaraRebulma mamakacma 62<br />
wlis elCs zurgidan esrola. „Cven vkvdebiT alepoSi, Tqven<br />
aq mokvdebiT”, _ daiZaxa ruseTis elCze Tavdamsxmelma da elCs<br />
xuTi tyvia esrola.<br />
Tavdamsxmeli likvidirebu-<br />
lia. is TurqeTis policiaSi<br />
msaxurobda da ivlisis putCis<br />
dros policiidan daiTxoves.<br />
moitans Tu ara qveynebs<br />
Soris konfliqtis gaRrmavebas<br />
rusi diplomatis mkvleloba?<br />
ra Sansi arsebobs, rom „arab-<br />
ulma gazafxulma” kavkasiamde<br />
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esaubreba eqsperti axlo aRmo-<br />
savleTis sakiTxebSi, iranisti<br />
vasil papava:<br />
_ daviwyoT iqidan, rom „arabulma<br />
gazafxulma”, saerTod,<br />
mTeli regioni da SeiZleba iTqvas<br />
_ msoflio, usafrTxoebis<br />
zrdis dilemis winaSe daayena.<br />
gamomwvev mizezebze yuradRebis<br />
gamaxvileba ar Rirs, realuri<br />
moTamaSeebi gadaxsnilia da<br />
„arabuli gazafxuli” vinc daiwyo,<br />
amis garkveva Znelia. Sei-<br />
Zleba gamovkveToT, vin sargeblobs<br />
am dapirispirebebiT. TavisTavad<br />
siriis krizisi „arabuli<br />
gazafxulis” yvelaze sisxliani<br />
gamovlinebaa, CvenTanac<br />
axlos aris da dainteresebulnic<br />
unda viyoT, ra movlenebTan<br />
gvaqvs saqme. rac Seexeba ruseTis<br />
elCis mkvlelobas, gvaxsovs,<br />
rom bolo wlebSi TurqeTsa<br />
da CvenTan, axlo mdebare saxelmwifoebSi,<br />
sxvadasxva teroristuli<br />
aqti xdeboda. kavkasiamde,<br />
jerjerobiT, ar mouRwevia<br />
imitom, rom TurqeTisa da iranis<br />
specsamsaxurebi Zalian Zlierebi<br />
arian da am teroristul<br />
aqtivobas akaveben. Tu es saxelmwifoebi<br />
dasustdnen, TavisTavad,<br />
am uaryofiTma movlenebma,<br />
SeiZleba, gadmoinacvlos kavkasiisken.<br />
istoriidan gvaxovs,<br />
rom axlo aRmosavleTi arasdros<br />
gamoirCeoda diplomatiuri<br />
etiketisadmi didi pativiscemiT,<br />
gavixsenoT me-19 saukuneSi<br />
iranSi ruseTis elCis, griboedovis<br />
mkvleloba, an 4 wlis<br />
winaT libiaSi amerikis elCis<br />
mkvleloba teroristebis mier.<br />
es bolo faqti, ruseTis elCis<br />
mkvleloba, swored amis gamovlinebaa,<br />
rom TviTon es saxelmwifoebi<br />
arian damyarebuli Zalis<br />
kultze. isini Tavis siZlieres<br />
Zalis gamoyenebiT aRweven,<br />
teroristuli aqti fsiqologiuri<br />
zewolis erTgvari gamovlenaa<br />
da isini cdiloben, mowinaaRmdege<br />
gatexon: rodesac<br />
elCia daucveli, maSin ubralo<br />
moqalaqeebs am kuTxiT ar gamo-<br />
Zebnian. vin Caidina mkvleloba,<br />
amis dadgena sakmaod rTulia.<br />
SeiZleba, ramdenime versiazec<br />
visaubroT. pirveli _ im meomrebisTvis,<br />
romlebic alepoSi<br />
wlebi iyvnen gamagrebulni da<br />
rusuli aviaciis masStaburi mxardaWeriT<br />
samTavrobo armiam<br />
es qalaqi gaaTavisufla, es udidesi<br />
fsiqologiuri gardatexaa<br />
am sisxlian konfliqtSi. TavisTavad,<br />
SesaZloa, rom am teroristebs,<br />
mebrZolebs, ulevi<br />
finansuri resursi aqvT, maT<br />
savsebiT SeeZloT gadaebirebinaT<br />
TurqeTSi es pirovneba,<br />
dacvis wevri, Tu policieli da<br />
CaedinaT teroristuli aqti.<br />
aris meore versiac, romlis<br />
mixedviT, is aris, ubralod, mebrZolebis<br />
momxre, „martoxela<br />
gmiri”. is moqmedebda Tavisi motivaciiT<br />
da rogorc teroristebis<br />
gulSematkivari islamisti,<br />
man es sakuTar Tavze aiRo<br />
da Semdeg, rogorc xSirad xdeba<br />
xolme, sxvadasxva teroristuli<br />
organizacia iRebs pasuxismgeblobas<br />
sakuTar Tavze iseT<br />
teroristul aqtebze, romlebic<br />
ar CaudeniaT.<br />
_ amas ratom akeTeben?<br />
_ es keTdeba imitom, rom sxva,<br />
ucxo qveynebis donorebs daanaxvon<br />
TavianTi siZliere, rom<br />
maTze Rirs fsonis dadeba. es<br />
erTgvari reklamireba da marketingia,<br />
uxeSad rom vTqvaT. mesame<br />
versia SeiZleba is iyos,<br />
rom Cven gvaxsovs, 2016 wels<br />
TurqeTSi samxedro gadatrialebas<br />
ra masStaburi represiebi<br />
mohyva, daapatimres asobiT<br />
umaRlesi rangis oficeri, uSiSroebis<br />
kadrebi, Zalovani uwyebebidan<br />
aTasobiT adamiani dai-<br />
Txoves da imis gaTvaliswinebiT,<br />
rom erdoRanis proislamisturi<br />
da xaverdovani islamizaciis<br />
politikam sruliad daasusta<br />
TurqeTSi saerTo qemalisturi<br />
Zalebi, romlebic aso-<br />
andrei karlovi<br />
vasil papava:<br />
`arabuli<br />
gazafxulis~<br />
safrTxe<br />
imdenad didia,<br />
saWiroa meti<br />
prevenciuli<br />
zomebis<br />
miReba!~<br />
biT wlebi marTavdnen TurqeTs,<br />
TurqeTis respublikis daarsebidan,<br />
TavisTavad, maTi masStaburi<br />
wmenda, SesaZlebelia, maTi<br />
mxridan erTgvari SurisZieba<br />
iyo da islamisturi kartis gaTamaSeba,<br />
rom bzari gaeCinaT<br />
TurqeT-ruseTis urTierToba-<br />
Si. gvaxsovs, SarSan rusuli Tvi-<br />
Tmfrinavi rom Camoagdes TurqeTis<br />
sazRvarTan, ra gamoiwvia<br />
man, faqtobrivad, situacia omamde<br />
mivida, magram Semdeg TurqeTma<br />
ukan daixia da situacia<br />
ruseTTan Zlivs daalaga.<br />
_ rogorc fiqrobT, elCis<br />
mkvleloba gamoiwvevs am qvey-<br />
nebs Soris dapirispirebas?<br />
_ am momentSi Cven vxedavT,<br />
rom putinma ostaturad gamoiyena<br />
elCis mkvleloba da diplomatiuri<br />
maneriT CaerTo. Sexvedras<br />
rom davakvirdeT, romelic<br />
am mkvlelobis Semdeg Sedga<br />
meore dRes TurqeTs, iransa da<br />
ruseTs Soris, siriis sakiTxze<br />
yalibdeba triumvirati. es sami<br />
saxelmwifo, garkveulwilad,<br />
SeTanxmebulad imoqmedebs am<br />
teroristuli dajgufebebis<br />
winaaRmdeg. vxedavT, rom Turquli<br />
regularuli armia ukve<br />
alepos CrdiloeTiT ramdenime<br />
kilometrSi mdebare qalaq elbaxTan<br />
dgas, romelic 2-3 welia,<br />
islamuri saxelmwifos xelSia;<br />
TavisTavad, iranelebi Tavidanve<br />
iyvnen CarTulni siriis konfliqtSi<br />
da, daaxloebiT, 4000<br />
iraneli omobs baSar asadis mxares;<br />
ruseTze xom zedmeti iqneba<br />
saubari. anu am faqtma bzari<br />
ki ar gaaCina ruseT-TurqeTs<br />
Soris, piriqiT, daaaxlova, imis<br />
nacvlad, rom bevri varaudobda,<br />
es gamoiwvevda dapirispirebas.<br />
ruseTma TurqeTs yuri ar<br />
auwia, mTel rig kuluarebSic<br />
iyo saubari, rom raRac daTmobebzec<br />
ki wavida siriis mima-<br />
`ruseTis elCis mkvleloba, imis gamovlinebaa,<br />
rom TviTon es saxelmwifoebi arian<br />
damyarebuli Zalis kultze. isini Tavis<br />
siZlieres Zalis gamoyenebiT aRweven,<br />
teroristuli aqti fsiqologiuri zewolis<br />
erTgvari gamovlenaa da isini cdiloben,<br />
mowinaaRmdege gatexon: rodesac elCia<br />
daucveli, maSin ubralo moqalaqeebs am<br />
kuTxiT ar gamoZebnian~<br />
rT. gancxadebac ki gaakeTa lavrovma,<br />
rom ki, Cven siriaSi kanonieri<br />
xelisuflebis dapatiJebiT<br />
vimyofebiT, magram Turquli<br />
armia, romelic ar aris kanonieri<br />
xelisuflebis mier dapatiJebuli,<br />
masac SeuZlia imoqmedos<br />
siriis teritoriaze, radgan<br />
Cven erT saqmes vakeTebTo.<br />
saubris toni diplomatiur<br />
xrikad rom aRviqvaT, es yvelaferi<br />
migvaniSnebs, rom ruse-<br />
Tis interesebi siriaSi gaTvaliswinebuli<br />
iyo iqidan gamomdinare,<br />
rom siriis CrdiloeTiT<br />
mdebareobs avtonomiuri qurTuli<br />
erTeuli. qurTuli<br />
problema kidev TurqeTisTvis<br />
ra didi gamowvevaa, es CvenTvis<br />
cnobilia.<br />
_ terorizmis usafrTxoeb-<br />
is kuTxiT ra unda gaakeTos da<br />
ra zomebi unda miiRos<br />
saqarTvelom?<br />
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Canda. is ambobda, _ 4<br />
maiss kud-Si damakaves da miTxres,<br />
krialaSvili ukve „trupia”<br />
da koba kobalaZe dagvaWerineo.<br />
SegiZliaT, es interviu<br />
naxoT da darwmundebiT, rom<br />
simarTles vambob. es adamiani<br />
daakaves da iZulebuli gaxades,<br />
maT dadgmul speqtaklSi mieRo<br />
monawileoba. mere is mec Semxvda<br />
da dedaCemsac, orives bodi-<br />
Si mogvixada, faqtobrivad, Cemi<br />
Zma mis Cvenebas Seewira. man<br />
isic gviTxra, ra formebiTa da<br />
meTodebiT aiZules eTqva is,<br />
rac undodaT. Turme: rome-<br />
lia krialaSvili:<br />
`xelisuflebas<br />
unda axsovdes,<br />
rom isini Cveni<br />
biWebis sisxliT<br />
movidnen!~<br />
liRac saxlSi miiyvanes, furceli<br />
daudes da manac waikiTxa,<br />
rac dauwres. amas mohyva e. w.<br />
muxrovanis ambebi. diax, Cemi<br />
Zmis likvidacia dagegmili iyo,<br />
romelic zviad xaraziSvilma<br />
Seasrula. qalbatonma elisom<br />
miTxra, rom ruseTis mona var<br />
da ar vaprotesteb xaraziSvilis<br />
dawinaurebas. Tu naxavT<br />
Cems interviuebs televiziiT,<br />
an presiT mixvdebiT, rom amas<br />
yvelgan vaprotestebdi da Tu<br />
samarTali ar izeimebs, yovelTvis<br />
gavaprotesteb, sanam<br />
cocxali viqnebi.<br />
2008 wels omi wavageT, rac<br />
„nacionalebma” mogebad CaTvales,<br />
aRniSnes da taSfanduri<br />
nacxades. es adamianebi xalxs<br />
arc daarbevdnen, magram Cemi<br />
Zma am saqmeSi arafer SuaSi iyo.<br />
is ukrainaSi cxovrobda da 30<br />
aprils ramdenime dRiT Camovida<br />
saqarTveloSi.<br />
_ ratom Camovida?<br />
_ gia yofili samxedro mosamsaxure<br />
iyo. is gaxldaT ukraina-moldovis<br />
ataSe. roca ‘nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” movida<br />
xelisuflebaSi, Cemi Zma gadaayenes<br />
da iq prezidentis rwmunebulad<br />
niSnavdnen, magram giam<br />
uari ganacxada. ramdenjerme<br />
SesTavazes Tanamdeboba, magram<br />
uars eubneboda. roca vkiTxe,<br />
ratom iqceoda ase, miTxra, _ ar<br />
minda, am adamianebTan ver vimuSaveb,<br />
dRes damniSnaven da<br />
xval damiWeren. Sen xom ici,<br />
rom amaT binZur saqmeebs ver<br />
gavakeTebo.<br />
_ Tqveni Zma muxrovanis<br />
batalionSi rogor moxvda?<br />
_ ar vici, Cems Zmas vin daukavSirda,<br />
ratom aRmoCnda gia<br />
im dRes muxrovanSi, amas ver getyviT.<br />
eWvi maqvs, roca muxrovanSi<br />
situacia daiZaba, misi ganmuxtva<br />
undodaT, radgan Cems<br />
Zmas jarSi didi wona hqonda da<br />
did pativs scemdnen, etyoba,<br />
situaciis ganmuxtvaSi daxmareba<br />
sTxoves.<br />
_ vin sTxova?<br />
_ ar vici. im Rames gia CemTan<br />
darCa saxlSi. erTad viyaviT me,<br />
Cemi meuRle, Svilebi da gia.<br />
usinaTlo Svili myavs da RamiT<br />
is da Cemi Zma saubrobdnen.<br />
diliT, 9:30 saaTze, gaviRviZe<br />
da gia saxlSi aRar damxvda.<br />
mere televiziiT gavige, rom<br />
muxrovanSi raRac xdeboda da<br />
RvalaZis interviuc movismine.<br />
mas mere Cems ZmasTan kavSiri<br />
aRar mqonia. gia iq iqneboda<br />
samoqalaqo formiT, radgan mas<br />
samxedro forma ar hqonda.<br />
ukrainidan patara CemodniT<br />
iyo Camosuli da ambobda, orsam<br />
dReSi ukan unda davbrundeo.<br />
kaci, romelic viTom<br />
amboxs apirebda, or dReSi ukan<br />
rogor dabrundeboda? gias<br />
muxrovanSi yofnis dros alya<br />
Semoartyes muxrovans da<br />
monaTles, TiTqos iq amboxi<br />
mzaddeboda, rac Tavad muxrovanSi<br />
myofma biWebmac televiziiT<br />
Seityves. isini mizanSi<br />
hyavdaT amoRebuli da icodnen,<br />
rom radgan es saSineli adamianebi<br />
yvelaferze midiodnen,<br />
maT daiWerdnen da amitomac<br />
`ver gamigia dRevandeli prokuraturisgan,<br />
rom amboben, mtkicebulebebi ar ariso. is kaci<br />
gamovarda maSin da Tqva, gia krialaSvili<br />
miwidan amoiReTo. televiziiTac daido<br />
kadrebi, rom merabiSvili or gvams iTxovda.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, amaze premiebi gaica. siaSi<br />
pirveli erekle kodua weria, romelmac 5<br />
aTasi lari aiRo. 22-23 maiss gare perimetrze<br />
mdgarma xalxmac ki aiRo premiebi. imis<br />
mixedviT izrdeboda premia, vis ra wvlili<br />
hqonda Setanili am saqmeSi. Cemi TvaliT maqvs<br />
nanaxi es sia. cocxalma gvamma, merabiSvilma<br />
gasca es premiebi. me mas am saxels vuwodeb,<br />
radganac is CemTvis swored cocxali gvamia.<br />
amaT xma rogor amoeRebaT, dRevandeli<br />
mTavroba sustia, Torem eseni cixeSi unda<br />
lpebodnen da gareT ver dadiodnen~<br />
18<br />
vano merabiSvili<br />
gamarTes. 2009 wels daZabuli<br />
mdgomareoba iyo da opoziciam<br />
rusTavelze saknebis qalaqi<br />
moawyo. ase aprotestebdnen<br />
qveyanaSi Seqmnil mdgomareobas.<br />
rogorc vici, samxedroebs, reinjerebis<br />
batalionis biWebs<br />
mosTxoves aRlumze gamosvla<br />
da, amavdroulad, aqciis momwyobi<br />
moqalaqeebis darbeva. reinjerebis<br />
batalionisa da muxrovanis<br />
batalionis meTaurebi<br />
_ mamuka gorgiaSvili da levan<br />
amiriZe _ uSualod ibrZodnen<br />
2008 wlis omSi da iq biWebi<br />
daexocaT. Tu ar vcdebi, wina<br />
dRes aseve daapatimres amiriZis<br />
Stabis ufrosi, amitom aRlumze<br />
gamosvlaze maT uari ga-<br />
datoves muxrovanis samxedro<br />
nawilis teritoria. amis mere<br />
tyes afarebdnen Tavs da xelisuflebam<br />
jildoebi daawesa,<br />
vinc maT daiWerda. 200 aTasi<br />
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oTanaZeze iyo dawesebuli da<br />
50-50-aTasiani lari Cems Zmasa<br />
da levan amiriZeze. maTi Zebnis<br />
periodSi Tqven ar iciT, Cven ra<br />
dReSi viyaviT.<br />
_ Tqvenzec iyo zewola?<br />
_ diax, iyo. deda nucubiZeze<br />
cxovrobda, me _ vaJa-fSavelas<br />
quCaze. mTel ubans Semoartyes<br />
alya. Cems SviliSvils, 6-7 wlis<br />
bavSvs, skolaSic dahyvebodnen.<br />
me TeTri wyaroSi vmsaxurobdi<br />
da mec myavda moTvalTvale<br />
moCenili. Cems TanamSromels,<br />
visi manqaniTac davdiodi, masac<br />
dahyvebodnen. Rame „marSutkis”<br />
tipis avtomobili idga gverdiT<br />
korpusTan SeiaraRebuli<br />
xalxiT da ar vicodi, rodis Semomivardebodnen<br />
da ra moxdeboda,<br />
magram, etyoba, isic icodnen,<br />
rom CemTan gias kavSiri<br />
ar hqonda. yovel Rames SiSiT<br />
vaTenebdi, magram, netav, Semovardniliyvnen<br />
da CemTvis eqnaT<br />
rame, oRond Cemi Zma gadarCeniliyo.<br />
saxlis gverdiT saxanZro kibe<br />
adis. Turme, am kibezec ki isxdnen<br />
da ase gviTvalTvalebdnen.<br />
Cems zemoT mcxovrebi mezobeli<br />
qalbatoni 18 maiss sadarbazoSi,<br />
kibeze adioda, xeli<br />
staces da kud-Si dakiTxvaze<br />
waiyvanes. 7 saaTi gamoketili<br />
hyavdaT. mas uTqvams, _ Cemgan<br />
ra gindaT, misi da xom iciT,<br />
sadac aris da imas hkiTxeT, me<br />
ra unda vicode imis garda, rom<br />
es adamiani aris patiosani, patrioti<br />
pirovneba, misi cudi<br />
arasdros gagvigiao. upasuxiaT,<br />
_ misi da sisxliT naTesavia,<br />
amitom ufleba ar gvaqvs, davkiTxoTo.<br />
Cemi dakiTxva Tu ar<br />
SeiZleboda, aba, oTanaZis Zmebi<br />
da naTesavebi rogor miiyvanes<br />
kud-Si? rogorc giTxariT, patara<br />
bavSviTac ki moaxdines<br />
maTze zemoqmedeba.<br />
_ Tqven ratom mogeridnen<br />
da mxolod ratom giTvalT-<br />
valebdnen?<br />
_ ar vici! Cems qmars, Svilebs,<br />
mTel ojaxs gviTvalTvalebdnen<br />
Riad. ra Tqma unda,<br />
esec garkveuli zewola iyo. 20<br />
maiss televiziiT gavige, rom<br />
biWebi Cacxriles da Cemi Zmis<br />
saZebnad gaviqeci. qerCis quCaze<br />
mxolod manqana damxvda da iq<br />
ukve asfalts agebdnen. gias megobrebTan<br />
vrekavdi da vekiTxebodi,<br />
_ xom ar iciT, ra xdebameTqi?<br />
_ arao, _ meubnebodnen,<br />
magram, Turme, maTTvis yvelaferi<br />
cnobili iyo da icodnen,<br />
rom Cemi Zma cocxali aRar iyo.<br />
me kidev suleliviT mainc davdiodi<br />
da veZebdi Zmas. roca<br />
gavige, rom daWrilebi Rudu-<br />
SaurSi gadaiyvanes, iq wavedi.<br />
saavadmyofosac policiis alya<br />
hqonda Semortymuli. SeSveba<br />
viTxove da uari miTxres. isterika<br />
damemarTa. mkiTxes, _<br />
vin xaro da ar vuTxari Cemi<br />
gvari. _ moqalaqe var, eqimis<br />
naxva minda, avad var-meTqi da<br />
piradoba momTxoves. meuRlis<br />
gvarze var da amitom SemiSves,<br />
magram Tan erT-erTi policielic<br />
Semomyva. SigniT ukve kivili<br />
daviwye da policielis Tavidan<br />
mocilebas viTxovdi. mere<br />
eqimmac uTxra, cota xans gadiT,<br />
ver xedavT, qali ra dRe-<br />
Siao? marto rom davrCi, eqims<br />
fexebSi Cavuvardi da vTxovdi<br />
eTqva, vin iyvnen miyvanilebi<br />
saavadmyofoSi. gavige, rom iq<br />
gia ar iyo, amitom vifiqre, Cemi<br />
Zma cocxali iyo da arc daWrila.<br />
ras warmovidgendi, rom<br />
momiklavdnen. gamTeniisas movedi<br />
saxlSi da televiziiT Sevityve,<br />
rom gia mokles. dedam, 80<br />
wlis qalma, televiziiT gaigo<br />
Svilis sikvdili.<br />
_ kuxianiZe ambobs, rom<br />
Savnabadis batalionSi amboxs<br />
awyobdnen da es yvelaferi am-<br />
itom moxda. riT amtkicebT,<br />
rom es tyuilia?<br />
_ es aris zRaprebi, romelic<br />
maT moigones. raRac xom unda<br />
daebralebinaT am adamianebisTvis.<br />
amitomac gavmwardi mis<br />
interviuze. qalbatoni eliso,<br />
albaT, arafer SuaSi iyo, magram<br />
gamwarebulma davreke, _<br />
Cemi Zma mkvdari mainc moasveneT<br />
miwaSi-meTqi. gia rom rusebs<br />
ebrZoda, maT Cems Zmaze<br />
jildo hqondaT dawesebuli.<br />
egeni, vinc Cems Zmas aseTi ram<br />
damarTes, kuxianiZeebi, axalaiebi<br />
da sxvebi, maSin „wamlis” keTebiT<br />
iyvnen dakavebulebi. me,<br />
iciT, riT var bednieri? _ xalxi<br />
icnobs giasac da magaTac.<br />
gia saqarTvelosTvis ibrZoda<br />
erovnuli moZraobis drosac,<br />
samaCabloSic, afxazeTSic da me<br />
egeni iq ar minaxavs. aravis ar<br />
uTqvams, rom romelime maTgani<br />
omSi iyo da saqarTvelos suverenitets<br />
icavda. egeni maSin<br />
sazRvrebs gareT „gulaobdnen”<br />
mamikoebis fulebiT, wamlebs<br />
iCxerdnen, kazinoebSi dadiodnen.<br />
ai, rogori xalxi gvyavda 9<br />
weliwadi mTavrobaSi.<br />
ver gamigia dRevandeli<br />
prokuraturisgan, rom amboben,<br />
mtkicebulebebi ar ariso. is<br />
kaci gamovarda maSin da Tqva,<br />
gia krialaSvili miwidan amoi-<br />
ReTo. televiziiTac daido kadrebi,<br />
rom merabiSvili or<br />
gvams iTxovda. sxvaTa Soris, amaze<br />
premiebi gaica. siaSi pirveli<br />
erekle kodua weria, romelmac<br />
5 aTasi lari aiRo. 22-23<br />
maiss gare perimetrze mdgarma<br />
xalxmac ki aiRo premiebi. imis<br />
mixedviT izrdeboda premia, vis<br />
ra wvlili hqonda Setanili am<br />
saqmeSi. Cemi TvaliT maqvs nanaxi<br />
es sia. cocxalma gvamma, merabiSvilma<br />
gasca es premiebi. me<br />
mas am saxels vuwodeb, radganac<br />
is CemTvis swored cocxali<br />
gvamia. amaT xma rogor amoeRebaT,<br />
dRevandeli mTavroba<br />
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gia krialaSvili<br />
sustia, Torem eseni cixeSi unda<br />
lpebodnen da gareT ver dadiodnen.<br />
_ kuxianiZe ambobs, rom ar-<br />
sebobda Canawerebi, romelic<br />
muxrovanis amboxis monawile-<br />
Ta rusul kvals amtkicebs da<br />
axla gamqralia.<br />
_ ranairad gaqreboda Canawerebi?<br />
Tu aseTi Canawerebi<br />
hqondaT, ratom ar dades mtkicebulebad<br />
sasamarTloSi? xom<br />
Catarda oTanaZis, amiriZisa da<br />
danarCeni biWebis sasamarTlo?<br />
rogor fiqrobT, raime Canawerebi<br />
rom hqonodaT, ar dadebdnen?<br />
diax, dadebdnen da ras<br />
bodavs es adamiani, ver gavige!.<br />
2009 wels sasamarTlo rom Catarda,<br />
maSin vin gaaqro es Canawrebi,<br />
iqneb, isic Tqvas?<br />
_ kuxianiZis saubridanac<br />
Cans, rom man moaxerxa sazRvarze<br />
gadasvla da qveynis datoveba.<br />
xaraziSvili, romel-<br />
mac, rogorc amboben, Tqvens<br />
Zmas esrola, am xelisuflebam<br />
daawinaura. es ar gaRizianebT?<br />
ratom ar gaqvT amis gamo pretenzia<br />
prokuraturasTan, policiasTan?..<br />
vinc, wesiT, es ad-<br />
amianebi unda dasajos da amas<br />
ar akeTebs, mas ratom arafers<br />
eubnebiT da sTxovT?<br />
_ vCivi, rogor ar vCivi.<br />
dResac mqonda gamomZiebelTan<br />
saubari. rogor fiqrobT, me<br />
kmayofili viqnebi, Seuracxyofili<br />
da gaubedurebuli qali?<br />
roca muxrovanis kadrebi<br />
daido, gamomZiebelma dakiTxvaze<br />
damibara da miTxra, es kaci<br />
imsaxurebs imas, rom saqme<br />
gamoZiebuli iyoso. bodiSs gixdiT,<br />
rom gaWianurdao. axla<br />
mec aRar vici, ra vifiqro, ratom<br />
Wianurdeba saqme da yvelaferze<br />
ratom amboben, mtkicebuleba<br />
ar ariso. Tumca „nacionalebiviT”<br />
rom awamebdnen<br />
xalxs esenic, albaT, mtkicebulebebic<br />
eqnebodaT. lmobierad<br />
rom iqcevian da ase<br />
atareben dakiTxvebs, amis gamo<br />
ar aqvT mtkicebulebebic.<br />
_ imaze ar gifiqriaT, rom<br />
sanam xaraziSvili Tanamdebo-<br />
bazea, am saqmes dasruleba ar<br />
uweria?<br />
_ xaraziSvilma sakuTar uflebamosilebas<br />
gadaaWarba. mas<br />
SeeZlo, gia fexebSi daeWra, an<br />
sicocxlisTvis usafrTxo adgilebSi.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, gias erTi<br />
tyvia dundulaSi aqvs moxvedrili.<br />
Zalian mainteresebs, dundulaSi<br />
rogor moxvda tyvia,<br />
roca kaci skamze zurgiT ijda?<br />
ori tyvia muxlSi aqvs moxvedrili<br />
da erTi _ gulSi. swored<br />
gulSi moxvedrili tyviiT<br />
aqvs gaglejili gulis parkuWebi,<br />
filtvebi, RviZli, elenTa,<br />
aorta, yvelaferi. gia rom manqanidan<br />
gadmougdiaT, wixlic<br />
CaurtyamT, amas ukve deda aqvs<br />
…... mag naZiralebma ena gaaCumon.<br />
xalxs iqamde nu miiyvanen,<br />
rom samarTlianobis aRdgenas<br />
aRar daelodon. maT sakmaod<br />
acades xelisuflebas, Tumca<br />
qarTveli xalxi iseTi gonieria,<br />
rom, albaT, kidev acdis, raTa<br />
srulfasovnad aRadginon samarTlianoba<br />
da yvela damna-<br />
Savem agos pasuxi.<br />
davuSvaT, Cemma Zmam mar-<br />
Tlac Caidina raRac, razedac<br />
is unda dasjiliyo. vis hqonda<br />
ufleba, misi sicocxle xeleyo?<br />
cota xnis win gadatrialebaze<br />
rom saubrobdnen „nacionalebi”,<br />
aqedan TargamaZeebi<br />
da sxvebi hyvebodnen, ratom<br />
daibares dakiTxvaze da ar dacxriles<br />
ise, rogorc isini moeqcnen<br />
Cems Zmas? eseni xom Riad<br />
subrobdnen gadatrialebaze?<br />
an viTom TargamaZe rom aafe-<br />
Tqes da pretenziebi aqvs, damnaSveebs<br />
ar akavebeno, Tavad ratom<br />
dadis gareT?<br />
Tqven iciT, Cemi Zma micvalebuli<br />
rogori iyo? Tavi da<br />
gulmkerdi gadaxsnili hqonda,<br />
iRliebi, rogorc tomrebi, ise<br />
hqonda amokerili da Zafebi<br />
ekida. kaci iyo daCexili. me<br />
mgonia, micvalebulze iyares<br />
javri. gia imdenad Secvlili<br />
iyo, xalxi rom modioda, ambobda,<br />
rom ar vicodeT, gias panaSvidia,<br />
ver davijerebdiT mis<br />
sikvdilso, mec ki vfiqrobdi<br />
mere, iqneb, Cemi Zma arc iyo mkvdari-meTqi?<br />
gaognebuli var,<br />
ram Secvala ase micvalebuli?<br />
mainteresebs, gvami awames?<br />
ar vici, ratom awinaureben<br />
xaraziSvils axla, etyoba, mfarveli<br />
hyavs. saqarTvelo patara<br />
qveyanaa, yvela erTmaneTs<br />
icnobs da romelime maRalCinosani<br />
hyavs mfarveli masac.<br />
vici, rom roca es xelisufleba<br />
movida, zviad xaraziSvils<br />
xsnidnen, magram daireka da is<br />
Tanamdebobaze datoves. mere ki<br />
daawinaures. ukve arsebobs varaudi,<br />
rom mas erT-erTi maRalCinosani<br />
mfarvelobs. es xom<br />
saqarTveloa da aq kanonebi ar<br />
arsebobs...<br />
_ iciT, vin aris xaraziSvi-<br />
lis mfarveli?<br />
_ ar vici. etyoba, maRalCinosania<br />
da mag struqturaSi<br />
muSaobs. Cemze zewola gias gardacvalebis<br />
merec iyo. Cems ojaxSi<br />
sami weli arc erTs ar<br />
gvqonda muSaobis ufleba. Cemi<br />
Svili fexburTs TamaSobda, nakrebSi<br />
iyo da iqidanac gamou-<br />
Sves. Cemi ojaxi SimSiliT sikvdilisTvis<br />
gawires. gias megobrebi<br />
da axloblebi rom ar yofiliyvnen,<br />
dRes cocxlebi aRar<br />
viqnebodiT. amis mere Cemi<br />
bina TaRliTurad aRmoCnda bankSi,<br />
is binac wamarTves da<br />
dRes quCaSi var. amitom Tavis<br />
gakeTebul saqmeebze ilaparakon<br />
da am mTavrobas SeeSvan. amaT<br />
isic eyofaT, rasac sCadian.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ pirveli, yvelaze mTavari<br />
codva aris is, rom samarTlianoba<br />
ar aRdga. Cveni advokati<br />
naTia korkotaZe sxva biWebis<br />
sasamarTlos eswreboda da iq<br />
`aranairi amboxi muxrovanSi ar momxdara. es iyo<br />
maSindeli xelisuflebis mier uniWod dadgmuli<br />
speqtakli da amas emsxverpla Cemi Zma. Tu gia<br />
damnaSave iyo, is unda daeWiraT da kanoniT<br />
moeTxovaT pasuxi, magram maT gias mokvla hqondaT<br />
gaTvlili. es rom namdvilad ase iyo, gia RvalaZis<br />
interviudanac Canda. is ambobda, - 4 maiss kud-Si<br />
damakaves da miTxres, krialaSvili ukve `trupia~ da<br />
koba kobalaZe dagvaWerineo. SegiZliaT, es interviu<br />
naxoT da darwmundebiT, rom simarTles vambob. es<br />
adamiani daakaves da iZulebuli gaxades, maT<br />
dadgmul speqtaklSi mieRo monawileoba. mere is mec<br />
Semxvda da dedaCemsac, orives bodiSi mogvixada,<br />
faqtobrivad, Cemi Zma mis Cvenebas Seewira~<br />
Tqva, _ megona, saukunis procesze<br />
movdiodi da es dadgmuli<br />
speqtakli iyoo. magram<br />
mjera, rom „nacionalebi” yvela<br />
Cadenil danaSaulze ageben<br />
pasuxs adre Tu gvian. yvela ma-<br />
Ti danaSauli bolomde gamoCndeba<br />
da firebsac vnaxavT, radgan<br />
isini yvelafers iRebdnen.<br />
Cems Zmaze cuds egeni ver dadeben,<br />
radgan gia patrioti da mebrZoli<br />
iyo. is principebis gamo<br />
mokles, radgan biWebi xalxis<br />
dasarbevad ar gavidnen da<br />
aRlumi ar Cautares omSi uamravi<br />
jariskacis daRupvis mere.<br />
ra eaRlumebodaT, amdeni adamiani<br />
daexocaT da amxela teritoriebi<br />
dakarges!<br />
xelisuflebas xma imitom miveciT,<br />
rom samarTlianoba aRmdgariyo,<br />
yvela damnaSave dasjiliyo,<br />
romelTac danaSauli<br />
Caidines, magram am xelisuflebam<br />
es ar Seasrula da gulnatkeni<br />
var. es iyo maTi umTavresi<br />
dapireba. minda, axsovdeT, isini<br />
movidnen Cveni biWebis sisxliT<br />
_ robaqiZis, vazagaSvilis,<br />
girgvlianis, SaraZis sisxliT,<br />
amitom rac xalxis neba iyo, is<br />
unda Seasrulon.<br />
vTxov prokuraturas, vemudarebi<br />
maT, me-8 welia, dedaCemi<br />
gias gamo sikvdils elodeba<br />
da natrobs. iqneb, moaswron es<br />
moxuci, Svilmkvdari deda imas,<br />
rom misi Svilis mkvleli saTanadod<br />
daisajos da miwaSi masac<br />
gulnatkens nu gauSveben.<br />
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policielebi scemen moqalaqeebs,<br />
amitom Tu mRebriSvils parlamenti<br />
daamtkicebda, qveyanaSi<br />
ukanonoba dakanondeboda da Zaladoba<br />
moimatebda. rac Seexeba<br />
iusticiis ministrs, man sasamar-<br />
Tlo da qveynis sxva samarTlebrivi<br />
reforma unda Caataros,<br />
magram mas ar SeuZlia amis gake-<br />
Teba. vTqvi, saqarTveloSi bevri<br />
samarTlebrivi reformaa gansaxorcielebeli<br />
da am postze ise-<br />
Ti adamiani unda dainiSnos, vinc<br />
amas saTanadod moabams TavsmeTqi.<br />
garda amisa, iusticiis ministri<br />
Zalian bevr binZur saqmeze<br />
gaCumebulia. evropis adamianis<br />
uflebaTa dacvis sasamarTlos<br />
saqmeebidan mxolod or<br />
saqmes gamovyof, romlebic piradad<br />
me movige. es gaxlavT<br />
„dvaliSvili saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg”<br />
da „miqiaSvili saqarTvelos<br />
winaaRmdeg”. evrosasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetilebiT saqarTvelos<br />
winaaRmdeg dadga konvenciis<br />
me-3 muxlis darRveva: wameba,<br />
arahumanuri, araadamianuri<br />
mopyroba.<br />
vinmes unaxavs,<br />
wulukiani gamosuliyos<br />
da eTqvas,<br />
evrosasamarTlos<br />
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valdebulebi<br />
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da wame-<br />
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advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomare<br />
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Tanamdebobaze yofnis aucileblobas ver xedavda iusticiis<br />
ministris SemTxvevaSic da sakanonmdeblo organos war-<br />
momadgenlebs usabuTebda kidec, Tu ratom ar unda daeWiraT<br />
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da ra konkretul faqtebs asaxelebs advokatTa asoci-<br />
aciis Tavmjdomare? „qronika+” mas aRniSnul problemaze esaubra.<br />
zaza xatiaSvili:<br />
_ sanam parlamenti ministrebs<br />
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rom parlaments mxari ar<br />
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da iusticiis ministrad _ Tea<br />
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baSi monawile policielebi davsajoTo?<br />
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gadawyvetilebas, sadac<br />
weria, rom esa Tu is adamiani<br />
awames. am periodSi wulukiani<br />
mTavari prokurori da ministri<br />
iyo, roca am saqmis mTavari monawile<br />
policieli, revaz qobulia,<br />
wyaltubos policiis sammarTvelos<br />
ufrosad daniSnes.<br />
arada, 2006 wels, roca es saCivari<br />
evrosasamarTloSi gavgzavne,<br />
iqac Tea wulukianma miiRo<br />
da prioriteti man misca, radgan<br />
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saqarTveloSi ministris postze<br />
imyofeboda. roca adamiani<br />
aseT rames kadrulobs, rogor<br />
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SeiZleboda misi ministrad wardgena<br />
da Semdeg damtkiceba?<br />
dvaliSvili am dawinaurebul qobuliaze<br />
acxadebda, _ roca mawamebda,<br />
„koka-kola” damasxes da<br />
is amalokines qobuliam da mJaviamo.<br />
mJavia kidev wyaltubos policiaSi<br />
qveganyofilebis ufrosia.<br />
am faqtze yvela gaCumebulia,<br />
arada, es gaxlavT girgvliani-2.<br />
girgvlianis mkvlelebi<br />
raRac doziT dasajes, magram<br />
yvela ar dausjiaT da gamwarebulebi<br />
viyaviT, Tumca aq evrosasamarTlom<br />
gadawyvetileba miiRo<br />
da is adamiani daawinaures.<br />
aseT rames evropis verc erT<br />
qveyanaSi ver Seeguebodnen. mRebriSvili<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa ministri<br />
ukve 2 welia da egueba, rom<br />
policiis sammarTvelos ufrosi<br />
qobuliaa.<br />
_ evrosasamarTlos am gada-<br />
wyvetilebis Taobaze Ss minist-<br />
ri mRebriSvili saqmis kursSia?<br />
_ diax, saqmis kursSia. saqme<br />
prokuraturaSia, radgan saCivari<br />
Sevitane da qobulias dakavebas<br />
viTxovdi. amJamad parlamentis<br />
wevri, arCil TalakvaZe ma-<br />
Sin mRebriSvilis moadgile iyo<br />
da gancxadebebs akeTebda, xatia-<br />
Svilma ki moigo saqme strasburgSi,<br />
magram ase ver moviqcevi-<br />
To da man evrosasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetilebebis revizia pirdapir<br />
eTerSi ganaxorciela. amis<br />
Semdeg TalakvaZec daawinaures<br />
da umravlesobis liderad daniSnes.<br />
warmogidgeniaT, vis xelSi<br />
varT? maSin vambobdi, mRebriSvils<br />
kidev Tu waradgenT am Tanamdebobaze,<br />
arahumanuri mopyrobisa<br />
da wamebis axali talRa<br />
daiwyeba-meTqi. borjomSi Jurnalist<br />
gasvianze xom moxda Tavdasxma,<br />
aba, miTxariT, vinme daapatimres?<br />
policieli, romelmac<br />
es Caidina, 24 saaTSi unda daepatimrebinaT.<br />
_ gavrcelebuli informaciiT,<br />
am policiels uflebam-<br />
osileba SeuCeres?<br />
_ ra uflebamosilebis Se-<br />
Cerebazea saubari? axla policiels<br />
rom davesxa Tavs da igive<br />
doziT mivayeno Seuracxyofa,<br />
rogor ggoniaT, mxolod advokatTa<br />
asociaciis Tavmjdomaris<br />
postze muSaobas SemiCereben da<br />
amas makmareben? an TqvenTan mxolod<br />
Jurnalisturi saqmianobis<br />
SeCerebiT Semoifarglebian?<br />
Tu Sinagan saqmeTa ministrs ar<br />
unda, rom misi policielebi aseT<br />
rames akeTebdnen, arc moxdeba.<br />
ramdenime dRis win inga gri-<br />
zaza xatiaSvili:<br />
,,giorgi mRebriSvili<br />
da Tea wulukiani<br />
ministrebad ar unda<br />
daemtkicebinaT!~<br />
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golias gadacemaSi viyavi miwveuli<br />
da iq vTqvi, _ „qronika+” da<br />
misi Jurnalisti neli vardiaSvili<br />
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adamianebi da maT<br />
iuridiuli umaRlesi ganaTleba<br />
ar gaaCniaT-meTqi. premier-ministris<br />
pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxic<br />
unda dadges, radgan is aseT adamians<br />
waradgens Ss ministrad.<br />
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adamians aqvs iuristis umaRlesi<br />
ganaTleba da diplomi. adamianebi<br />
kartofilsa da pomidors<br />
yidian bazrebSi da magistraturebi<br />
aqvT damTavrebuli.<br />
maT samsaxuri ar aqvT da mRebriSvilis<br />
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skoladamTavrebulebi<br />
muSaoben, romlebsac,<br />
Turme, 6-Tviani gadamzadebis<br />
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imas niSnavs, 6-Tviani gadamzadebis<br />
kursebi rom gavataro<br />
adamianebi da umaRlesi iuridiuli<br />
ganaTlenis gareSe gavxado<br />
advokatebi. aseTi ram rogor<br />
SeiZleba?!<br />
„qarTulma ocnebam” ekonomika<br />
daangria da qveyana finansurad<br />
miwasTan gaaswora, viTom<br />
sasamarTlo reforma Caatara da<br />
Tavze dagvasva murusiZe da misi<br />
mimdevari murusiZeebi. axla vi-<br />
Txov, is adamiani mainc moacileT,<br />
romelic im policiur wamebas<br />
ar ebrZvis, romliTac Tqveni<br />
politikuri partia xelisuflebaSi<br />
movida-meTqi.<br />
erTi Tvis win gancxadeba gavakeTe,<br />
rom imave policiis ganyofilebaSi,<br />
sadac giorgi mdinaraZe<br />
awames, policiis ufrosma<br />
advokat irma araxamias Seuracxyofa<br />
miayena. roca advokatma<br />
pretenzia gamoTqva, uTxres, amas<br />
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policiis ufrosma iciT, ra ganucxada<br />
araxamias? _ me var am<br />
Senoba-nagebobebis mepatroneo.<br />
Tu mRebriSvilma amis ufleba ar<br />
misca, policiis ufrosi amas<br />
rogor ityoda? Tu ase ar aris,<br />
mRebriSvils xom unda moexsna es<br />
adamiani? etyoba, roca policiis<br />
ufross niSnavs, eubneba, Sen<br />
xar policiis am nagebobis ufrosio<br />
da isinic amitom laparakoben<br />
ase. sxvanairad, ase ver<br />
daelaparakebodnen verc advokatebs<br />
da verc sxva adamianebs. Tu<br />
mis gareSe ambobs da Tavnebobs,<br />
maSin policiidan unda gauSvas.<br />
simarTles ar vambob? es faqtebi<br />
ar aris imis safuZveli, rom<br />
mRebriSvili aRar iyos Sinagan<br />
saqmeTa ministri?<br />
_ giorgi mdinaraZis wamebis<br />
saqmeze sasamarTlo procesi<br />
jer ar damTavrebula?<br />
_ mdinaraZe rom awames, iciT,<br />
ra Cvenebebs aZlevdnen policielebi?<br />
_ man sakuTar Tavs miayena<br />
Seuracxyofao. yvela policieli,<br />
visac eubnebian, adamiani<br />
ratom scemeo, pasuxobs, me ar<br />
micemia, sakuar Tavs miayena Seuracxyofao.<br />
policielebis 99%<br />
ase ambobs da ra gamodis, Turme,<br />
es sacodavi moqalaqeebi sakuTar<br />
Tavs policiaSi ayeneben<br />
Seuracxyofas, imtvreven cxvirpirs,<br />
policia ki exveweba, amas nu<br />
akeTebT, Tqven genacvaleT, ar<br />
SeiZlebao. ra cinizmia! mRebriSvili<br />
ki zis da am yvelafers uyurebs.<br />
Ss ministrma rom daibaros<br />
policielebi da uTxras,<br />
aseT rames Tu gabedavT, datovebT<br />
samsaxurso, vin gabedavs<br />
msgavsi ramis gakeTebas?<br />
saxazino advokati giorgi<br />
mdinaraZe Ramis saaTebSi gamoiZaxes,<br />
raTa arasrulwlovani<br />
daecva. fexmZimed,<br />
merve Tve-<br />
Si hyavda coli. imitom<br />
wavida da coli<br />
datova, rom<br />
Tavisi Tavi ewame-<br />
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ina?! es xom alogikuria?! ramdenime<br />
dRis win prokuraturam<br />
mowmeebi moiyvana, magram isini<br />
rom ar daikiTxon, braldebuli<br />
ar movida. gviTxres, cudad ariso.<br />
erT-erTma „murusiZem”, mosamarTle<br />
Soniam, romelic cnobili<br />
yofila imiT, rom 14-15<br />
wlis bavSvebs apatimrebs, am policiels<br />
aRmkveTi RonisZieba _<br />
patimroba Seucvala giraoTi. ra<br />
unda vqnaT, roca biZina maTzea<br />
gadafarebuli?! is ambobs, murusiZe<br />
saakaSvilis reJimis msxverpliao,<br />
Soniac msxverplia da me<br />
da Sen viyaviT, Turme, saakaSvilis<br />
reJimis sayrdenebi.<br />
precedenti, rom policiis<br />
ufrosi, romelmac mdinaraZe<br />
scema da daakaves, ZaliT Sevaqmnevine.<br />
mTeli evropa fexze davayene.<br />
saqarTvelos saelCoebTan<br />
vafiqsirebdiT protests.<br />
sasamarTloSi erTi welia, saqme<br />
midis da braldebis mxaris mowmeebi<br />
ver davkiTxeT. danaSaulSi<br />
braldebuli ar cxaddeba, cudad<br />
aris da gancxadebas akeTebs,<br />
sasamarTlo procesebSi monawileobas<br />
ar miviRebo. xelovnurad<br />
aWianureben saqmes. egeni Tu imas<br />
fiqroben, erTi weliwadi gawelaven<br />
saqmes, mere me adokatTa<br />
asociaciis Tavmjdomare aRar<br />
viqnebi da ase momicileben Tavidan,<br />
Zalian cdebian. me saqarTvelodan<br />
wasvlas namdvilad ar<br />
vapireb. mere ukve mxolod eg<br />
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yvela agebs am saqmeze pasuxs,<br />
vinc cru Cveneba misca. vimeoreb:<br />
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eseni aseT rames ver<br />
gabedaven. Jurnalist gasvianis<br />
saqmeze policieli ar unda daekavebinaT?<br />
iciT, ra mikvirs? _<br />
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aqcias ratom ar awyobT,<br />
roca Jurnalisti gicemes?<br />
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ar iwyeba imiT, rom gasvianis<br />
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yvela sainformacio saSualeba<br />
am informaciiT daiwyos.<br />
eliso Zalian magaria, amas gaakeTebs.<br />
aq gasvianze ki ar aris<br />
mxolod saubari, Jurnalisti<br />
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internetgamocemis, radios Jurnalisti.<br />
roca saakaSvilma fotografebi<br />
daakava da maT cixe-<br />
Si awamebdnen, me Tqven gverdiT<br />
videqi cixis win da fotografebis<br />
dakavebas vaprotestebdi.<br />
vinc maSin amis gamo mlanZRavda<br />
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biZinas ras erCio? qarTveli<br />
xalxi ver eRirsa wesier xelisuflebas.<br />
Tanamdebobebze<br />
modian binZuri mentalobis adamianebi.<br />
_ Sinagan saqmeTa ministri am<br />
dReebSi policiis korpusis Sem-<br />
cirebaze alaparakda. rogorc<br />
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gan apirebs gawmindos policia?<br />
_ ra SuaSia Semcirebebi? damnaSave<br />
policielebi unda dasajos.<br />
„giorgi miqiaSvili saqarTvelos<br />
winaaRmdeg” saqmeSi 50 policieli<br />
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isxdnen, magram isini kvlav samsaxurebSi<br />
arian. es adamianebi<br />
unda dasajon, policiidan gauSvan<br />
da es iqneba Semcirebac. axla,<br />
iciT, ras izamen? _ wesier adamianebs<br />
gauSveben, romlebic maT ar<br />
awyobT da ise ar iqcevian, rogorc<br />
maT undaT. 8 policieli<br />
aris damnaSave dvaliSvilis arahumanur,<br />
araadamianur mopyrobasa<br />
da wamebaSi. evrosasamarTlom<br />
gadawyvetilebaSi amaze<br />
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miniSneba gaakeTa, rom amdenma<br />
policielma misca, savaraudod,<br />
cru Cvenebao. mRebriSvili amis<br />
mere unda gamosuliyo da eTqva,<br />
_ es xalxi wava samsaxuridan, radgan<br />
aseTi saqcieli Caidinao. axla<br />
visac patroni gamouCndeba,<br />
Tundac, mkvleli da araadamiani<br />
iyos, datoveben. policiis wmenda<br />
marTla Tu aqvT gadawyvetili,<br />
unda daiwyos miqiaSvilis,<br />
vazagaSvilis, robaqiZis saqmeze.<br />
is policielebi, romlebic idgnen<br />
da amas uyurebdnen, dana-<br />
Sauls faravdnen da Cvenebas ar<br />
aZlevdnen, policiaSi ar unda<br />
iyvnen. es xalxi unda gayaron,<br />
magram, ai, naxavT, qobulias datoveben<br />
da upatrono da wesier<br />
adamianebs gayrian. aba, miTxariT,<br />
ratom ar Tqva mRebriSvilma,<br />
skolis atestatiani gamomZieblebi<br />
rom myavs, es ar SeiZleba<br />
da isini unda gavuSvao? aseTebs<br />
ar gauSveben, ai, naxavT.<br />
policiis mundirs, pirvel<br />
rigSi, Seuracxyofs Tavad mRebriSvili,<br />
roca mas Tanamdebobaze<br />
hyavs revaz qobulia. erTaderTi<br />
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arafrad agdeben da<br />
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es kaci arcxvens policielis<br />
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_ garda imisa, rom gancxadebiT<br />
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_ „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebaSi,<br />
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biZina rom ar yofiliyo,<br />
10%-sac ki verc erTi<br />
aiRebda. „murusiZeebs” rom gaurigda<br />
ivaniSvilis xelisufleba<br />
da murusiZes gociriZe da Todria<br />
xmas miscemen-meTqi, esec didi<br />
xniT adre vTqvi, magram ra ar<br />
miTxres, radgan ar daijeres. ambobdnen,<br />
xatiaSvili igonebs, batoni<br />
biZini magas rogor ikadrebso?<br />
am naZirala adamianebs minda<br />
vuTxra, _ marTali rom aRmovCndi,<br />
bodiSi ratom ar momixades?<br />
magram monebi arian, fuli<br />
undaT, rom aiRon da wesier adamianebs<br />
amitom lanZRaven. roca<br />
murusiZe marTla daniSnes am<br />
Tanamdebobaze, yvela opoziciurad<br />
ganwyobil partias davureke,<br />
Sevxvdi da vuTxari, _ murusiZe<br />
administraciul palataSi<br />
gadahyavT, arCevnebs, savaraudod,<br />
gagiyalbeben-meTqi. murusiZe<br />
iqneba pasuxismgebeli, rom<br />
es yuTebi ar gaixsnas, amitom<br />
daniSnes am Tanamdebobaze-meTqi.<br />
es vTqviT maSin TqvenTan interviuSic.<br />
erTi wlis Semdeg aRmo-<br />
`policiels rom davesxa Tavs da igive doziT mivayeno Seuracxyofa,<br />
rogor ggoniaT, mxolod advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomaris postze<br />
muSaobas SemiCereben da amas makmareben? an TqvenTan mxolod<br />
Jurnalisturi saqmianobis SeCerebiT Semoifarglebian? Tu Sinagan<br />
saqmeTa ministrs ar unda, rom misi policielebi aseT rames akeTebdnen,<br />
arc moxdeba. ramdenime dRis win inga grigolias gadacemaSi viyavi<br />
miwveuli da iq vTqvi, - `qronika+~ da misi Jurnalisti neli vardiaSvili<br />
cota xnis win Sinagan saqmeTa saministros daukavSirda, sadac<br />
daudastures, rom Sinagan saqmeTa saministroSi inspeqtor-gamomZieblad<br />
muSaoben skoladamTavrebuli adamianebi da maT iuridiuli umaRlesi<br />
ganaTleba ar gaaCniaT-meTqi. premier-ministris pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxic unda dadges, radgan is aseT adamians waradgens Ss ministrad.<br />
saqarTveloSi yovel meore-mesame adamians aqvs iuristis umaRlesi<br />
ganaTleba da diplomi. adamianebi kartofilsa da pomidors yidian<br />
bazrebSi da magistraturebi aqvT damTavrebuli. maT samsaxuri ar aqvT<br />
da mRebriSvilis policiaSi inspeqtor-gamomZieblad<br />
skoladamTavrebulebi muSaoben, romlebsac, Turme, 6-Tviani<br />
gadamzadebis kursebi gaatares. es, daaxloebiT, imas niSnavs, 6-Tviani<br />
gadamzadebis kursebi rom gavataro adamianebs da umaRlesi iuridiuli<br />
ganaTlenis gareSe gavxado advokatebi. aseTi ram rogor SeiZleba?!~<br />
Cnda, rom marTali viyavi. visac<br />
vicnob, yvela meubneba, „leiboristebsa”<br />
da Salva naTelaSvils<br />
miveci xmao da ranairad moxda,<br />
rom parlaments gareT darCa?<br />
imitom ar gaxsnes yuTebi, rom<br />
arCevnebi gaayalbes da es yvelaferi<br />
SerCaT. rac „Tavisufalma<br />
demokratebma” ikadres,<br />
saqarTvelos uaxles istoriaSi<br />
aseTi ram ar minaxavs.<br />
_ amboben, rom arCevnebis gay-<br />
albebaSi policia da sus-i iyo<br />
aqtiurad Careuli.<br />
_ advokati mamuka nozaZe ken-<br />
Ws iyrida da misgan vici, rom<br />
dabeWdili mowmobebiT dahyavdaT<br />
xalxi, romelic ramdenime<br />
ubanze aZlevda xmas. miuxedavad<br />
amisa, Cemi azriT, naTelaSvilmac<br />
gadalaxa barieri da burjanaZemac,<br />
magram mere, swored, „murusiZeebi”<br />
gamoiyenes da ase gaayalbes.<br />
gaxsovT, albaT, ra gauke-<br />
Tes paata burWulaZes. anu am<br />
arCevnebSi yvela meTodi gamoiyena<br />
ivaniSvilma arCevnebis gasayalbeblad.<br />
ai, ratom sWirdeboda<br />
mas murusiZe da masTan Tbili<br />
kavSirebi. cnobilia isic, rom<br />
„qarTulma ocnebam” 49% miiRo<br />
gayalbebiT da ranairad aqvs mas<br />
sakonstitucio umravlesoba<br />
parlamentSi? imis gamo moxda es,<br />
rom kanonmdeblobac maxinjia.<br />
biZina rom xelisuflebaSi modioda,<br />
maJoritarebs feodalebs<br />
uwodebda da xalxs dahpirda,<br />
rom am sistemas daangrevda, magram<br />
am dapirebebidan raime Seasrula?<br />
_ araferi. hoda, me vambob,<br />
qarTveli xalxi imaze metis<br />
Rirsi varT, rasac biZina gvikeTebs.<br />
rasac miSa gvikeTebda,<br />
imis Rirsebic viyaviT, radgan<br />
qarTveli adamiani rom saarCevno<br />
xmas fulze gayidis, is Rirsia<br />
imisi, rasac gvikeTeben da kidev<br />
gagvikeTebs ivaniSvili, mRebriSvili,<br />
wulukiani, kvirikaSvili da<br />
sxvebi. rogorc qveyana, Cven ver<br />
SevdeqiT. rogor SeiZleba, 20<br />
larad Seni Svilebis momavlis<br />
sawinaaRmdegod misce xma?<br />
_ bevri ukve prognozirebs<br />
quCis aqciebs, vadamdel arCev-<br />
nebs...<br />
_ opoziciurma partiebma xeli<br />
moaweres, rom arademokratiuli<br />
arCevnebi iyo, rasac, rogorc<br />
vici, „Tavisufali demokratebi”<br />
xels ar aweren. 4,6% aqvT<br />
miRebuli. Tu isini xels ar<br />
moaweren, maT mere vinc arian,<br />
burjanaZes da naTelaSvils aravin<br />
daujerebs. meore dResve<br />
gamovida „Tavisufali demokratebis”<br />
saarCevno Stabis xelm-<br />
ZRvaneli da „qarTul ocnebas”<br />
dauWira mxari. amitom is ministrad<br />
daniSnes. „kabelebis saqmeze”<br />
dakavebuli sawyali adamianebi<br />
ki kvlav cixeSi arian gamoketilebi.<br />
samwuxarod, politikuri speqtris<br />
didi nawili imitom aris<br />
politikaSi, rom „biZins” mieyidos.<br />
visi gadabirebac ver moaxerxa,<br />
misken lafs asrolinebs<br />
daqiravebul xalxs. gadabireba-<br />
Si marto fuls ki ar vgulisxmob,<br />
SeiZleba, adamiani gadaibiro<br />
daSinebiT, cru dapirebiT...<br />
ase moaxerxa arCevnebis mogeba.<br />
axla mas tvini dasWirda, raTa<br />
saxelmwifo marTos, magram me<br />
vatyob, rom vinc ki daniSnulia<br />
gadawyvetilebebis mimRebebad,<br />
maT Zalian cota aqvT imis tvini,<br />
rom saxelmwifo marTon. amitomac<br />
qveyana samarTlebrivi,<br />
politikuri da finansuri ufskrulisken<br />
midis. ra Tqma unda,<br />
amas mohyveba Zalian didi aqciebi<br />
da xalxis mRelvareba. xalxSi<br />
lideric warmoiSoba, romelic<br />
Zalian patiosani da patrioti<br />
adamiani iqneba da xalxic mas gahyveba.<br />
amas xalxi imitom gaake-<br />
Tebs, rom es ar iqneba oligarqi,<br />
mecenati, is iqneba xalxis wiaRidan<br />
gamosuli, niWieri kaci, romelsac<br />
eqneba imis gamocdileba,<br />
rom qveyana krizisidan gamoiyvanos.<br />
aRar mgonia, rom sazogadoeba<br />
kidev Secdes da oligarqs,<br />
an mecenats daujeros. es saxadi<br />
qveyanam moixada.<br />
_ daaxloebiT mainc SeiZle-<br />
ba vifiqroT, vin SeiZleba iyos<br />
lideri?<br />
_ amas me axla rogor getyviT?<br />
magram mjera, rom es aucileblad<br />
moxdeba da qveyanas normaluri<br />
xelisufali eRirseba.<br />
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saqarTvelos erovnul banks<br />
aqvs oficialuri sarezervo aqtivebi,<br />
romelic, yovelTviurad,<br />
weliwadSi 12-jer sxvadasxva<br />
monacemiT xasiaTdeba, ra<br />
Tqma unda, arsebobs ucxouri<br />
valutis rezervebic, sesxebis<br />
specialuri uflebebi da sarezervo<br />
pozicia saerTaSoriso<br />
savaluto fondSi. swored<br />
xsenebuli ucxouri valutis<br />
rezervebis intervenciebi xorcieldeba<br />
bankTaSoris birJaze<br />
da saerTaSoriso savaluto<br />
fondSi dakavebuli sarezervo<br />
pozicia gamoiTvleba.<br />
saintereso iyo yvela Camo-<br />
Tvlili punqtis monacemebi<br />
ricxvebSi, is, Tu ra rezervebs<br />
flobda erovnuli banki mimdinare<br />
da gasul wels da ramdenjer,<br />
ra raodenobis interven-<br />
laris gacvliTi kursis oficialuri maCvenebeli dolar-<br />
Tan mimarTebiT 2, 75 niSnuls gautolda. erovnuli banki<br />
rezervebs flobs, romlis optimaluri gamoyenebiTac qveya-<br />
naSi fulis masa unda daregulirdes. weliwadSi ramdenjerme<br />
is intervenciebs axorcielebs, es ukanaskneli kursis regu-<br />
lirebis mizniT centraluri saemisio bankis mier bankTaSoris<br />
birJaze romelime qveynis valutis Sesyidvas, an gayidvas da<br />
am mizniT warmoebuli operacias warmoadgens.<br />
22<br />
cia ganaxorciela kursis dastabilurebis<br />
mizniT.<br />
swored amitom aRniSnuli<br />
kiTxvebiT „qronika+”-ma erovnul<br />
banks mimarTa, romelmac<br />
oficialuri komentaris saxiT<br />
monacemebi da kiTxvebze pasuxebi<br />
mogvawoda.<br />
qvemoT CamoTvlili monacemebi<br />
zustad asaxavs im sarezervo<br />
aqtivebis realobas, romelic<br />
2015-2016 wlebSi iyo, monacemebi<br />
ki dalagebulia Tveebis<br />
mixedviT:<br />
1) oficialuri sarezervo<br />
aqtivebi;<br />
2) ucxouri valutis rez-<br />
ervebi;<br />
3) sesxebis specialuri<br />
uflebebi (SDR);<br />
4) sarezervo pozicia saer-<br />
TaSoriso savaluto fondSi<br />
1) 2) 3) 4)<br />
31/01/2015 2,610,108.5 2,404,631.5 205,462.9 14.1<br />
28/02/2015 2,469,435.0 2,266,664.5 202,756.4 14.1<br />
31/03/2015 2,452,879.8 2,241,383.0 211,483.1 13.8<br />
30/04/2015 2,430,898.2 2,227,991.3 202,892.8 14.1<br />
31/05/2015 2,393,461.6 2,193,217.5 200,230.2 13.9<br />
30/06/2015 2,483,749.8 2,281,206.5 202,529.3 14.1<br />
31/07/2015 2,447,135.7 2,243,995.3 203,126.4 13.9<br />
31/08/2015 2,463,246.0 2,261,073.4 202,158.6 14.0<br />
30/09/2015 2,464,305.6 2,257,780.0 206,511.6 14.0<br />
31/10/2015 2,448,949.3 2,247,339.6 201,595.7 14.0<br />
30/11/2015 2,479,433.0 2,281,698.8 197,720.5 13.7<br />
31/12/2015 2,520,576.5 2,321,038.6 199,524.0 13.9<br />
vaxtang xomizuraSvili<br />
erovnuli bankis<br />
rezervebi da laris<br />
kursis dastabilurebis<br />
mizniT ganxorcielebuli<br />
intervenciebi<br />
rogorc xedavT, 2015 wlis<br />
noembris monacemebiT, mTliani<br />
saerTaSoriso rezervebi am<br />
Tvis bolos 2,479,433 miliardi<br />
aSS dolari iyo.<br />
2016 wlis noembris bolos<br />
ki 2,779,157 miliardi aSS<br />
dolari Seadgina.<br />
imave punqtebis mixedviT<br />
mimdinare wlis monacemebi<br />
TveebSi Semdegia:<br />
1) oficialuri sarezervo<br />
aqtivebi;<br />
2) ucxouri valutis<br />
rezervebi;<br />
3) sesxebis specialuri<br />
uflebebi (SDR);<br />
4) sarezervo pozicia saer-<br />
TaSoriso savaluto fondSi.<br />
rogorc sarezervo aqtivebis<br />
monacemebiT Cans, mimdinare<br />
wlis noembris rezervebis moculoba<br />
(radgan 2016 wlis dekembris<br />
monacemebi srulad jer<br />
araa daTvlili), 299 724 aSS dolariT<br />
metia gasuli wlis imave<br />
periodTan SedarebiT.<br />
xolo rac Seexeba intervenciebs,<br />
2016 wels igi sul 24-<br />
jer ganxorcielda da aqedan<br />
10-jer saqarTvelos erovnuli<br />
bankis mier valutis gayidva da<br />
14-jer ki misi yidva ganxorcielda.<br />
mimdinare wels sul gayiduli<br />
fuladi masis raodenobam<br />
jamSi 280 000 000, nayidma ki<br />
278 350 000 aSS dolari Seadgina.<br />
_ ramdeni milioni dolari<br />
gayida erovnulma bankma 2016<br />
wels laris dastabilurebis<br />
mizniT?<br />
erovnuli banki:<br />
_ 2016 wels erovnuli bankis<br />
mier savaluto auqcionebze<br />
wminda gayidvam Seadgina 1.65<br />
milioni aSS dolari.<br />
_ rodis miiReba gadawyvet-<br />
ileba, rom gaiyidos savaluto<br />
rezervebi (laris kursis ra<br />
1) 2) 3) 4)<br />
31/01/2016 2,447,473.9 2,248,516.7 198,943.4 13.8<br />
29/02/2016 2,425,874.1 2,227,113.3 198,747.0 13.8<br />
31/03/2016 2,456,678.7 2,249,439.9 207,224.7 14.1<br />
30/04/2016 2,456,757.5 2,252,226.9 204,516.4 14.2<br />
31/05/2016 2,569,385.8 2,367,256.2 202,115.5 14.0<br />
30/06/2016 2,857,244.0 2,655,691.3 201,538.7 14.0<br />
31/07/2016 2,856,372.2 2,655,595.8 200,762.4 13.9<br />
31/08/2016 2,888,476.1 2,681,502.3 206,959.9 13.9<br />
30/09/2016 2,858,235.7 2,654,941.7 203,280.1 14.0<br />
31/10/2016 2,760,196.1 2,562,003.1 198,179.3 13.7<br />
30/11/2016 2,779,157.1 2,584,161.3 194,982.3 13.5<br />
mdgomareoba<br />
ganapirobebs<br />
amas? ra maCvenebeli?)<br />
_ saqarTveloSi moqmedebs<br />
mcuravi gacvliTi kursis reJimi.<br />
saqarTvelo warmoadgens<br />
mcire zomis Ria ekonomikas,<br />
romelic aris msoflio ekonomikis<br />
nawili da ar gaaCnia optimaluri<br />
savaluto sivrce<br />
partnior qveynebTan. Sesabamisad,<br />
msoflio ekonomikis ryevebi<br />
saqarTvelos ekonomikazec<br />
aisaxeba. mcire Ria ekonomikis<br />
qveynebisTvis mcuravi gacvli-<br />
Ti kursi Sokebis mSTanTqav funqcias<br />
asrulebs, ramdenadac<br />
sagareo Sokis SemTxvevaSi gacvliTi<br />
kursis cvlileba asustebs<br />
aRniSnuli Sokis gavlenas<br />
realur ekonomikaze _ ekonomikur<br />
zrdasa da inflaciaze.<br />
saqarTvelosTvis mcuravi gacvliTi<br />
kursis reJimi aris yvelaze<br />
optimaluri reJimi.<br />
_ ra iqneba e.b.-s Semdegi nabijebi<br />
kursis dastabilureb-<br />
is kuTxiT? Sedgenili gaqvT<br />
Tu ara raime konkretuli sam-<br />
oqmedo gegma?<br />
_ saSualovadian periodSi<br />
fasebis stabilurobis riskebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi, erovnuli banki<br />
gaamkacrebs monetarul politikas.<br />
erovnul banks aqvs saTanado<br />
SesaZlebloba da instrumentebi,<br />
rom ar dauSvas maRali<br />
inflacia.<br />
Tumca konkretulad rogori<br />
saxis gamkacrebazea saubari, kvlav<br />
kiTxvis niSnis qveS rCeba.<br />
bunebrivia, mniSvnelovania<br />
eqspertebis damokidebuleba<br />
erovnuli bankis mier ganxorcielebul<br />
intervenciebze, mis<br />
mier gatarebul monetarul<br />
politikaze da rezervebis xarjvaze,<br />
romelsac igi flobs.<br />
vaxtang xomizuraSvili _<br />
eqsperti, ekonomisti, safondo<br />
birJis yofili direqtori:<br />
_ centraluri bankebi rogorc<br />
axorcieleben intervenciebs<br />
dolarSi, ise axorcieleben<br />
larSic _ es normaluria,<br />
magram am SemTxvevaSi erovnul<br />
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N TariRi gayidva yidva<br />
1) 1/12/2016 20,000,000 x<br />
2) 1/22/2016 20,000,000 x<br />
3) 1/26/2016 20,000,000 x<br />
4) 3/17/2016 x 5,000,000<br />
5) 3/21/2016 x 10,000,000<br />
6) 4/14/2016 x 10,000,000<br />
7) 4/20/2016 x 10,000,000<br />
8) 4/21/2016 x 20,000,000<br />
9) 5/5/2016 x 20,000,000<br />
10) 5/10/2016 x 20,000,000<br />
11) 5/17/2016 x 20,000,000<br />
12) 5/18/2016 x 20,000,000<br />
13) 5/19/2016 x 20,000,000<br />
14) 5/20/2016 x 40,000,000<br />
15) 6/8/2016 x 40,000,000<br />
16) 6/9/2016 x 23,350,000<br />
17) 8/22/2016 x 20,000,000<br />
18) 8/25/2016 20,000,000 x<br />
19) 9/22/2016 20,000,000 x<br />
20) 9/27/2016 40,000,000 x<br />
21) 10/3/2016 40,000,000 x<br />
22) 10/6/2016 20,000,000 x<br />
23) 10/12/2016 40,000,000 x<br />
24) 12/20/2016 40,000,000 x<br />
`monetaruli politikis erT-erTi mTavari mdgeneli instrumenti gaxlavT<br />
refinansirebis ganakveTi. komerciuli bankebi erovnuli bankisagan sesxuloben<br />
fuls, anu erovnuli banki aris laris masis emitenti da laris emisiis erT-<br />
erTi instrumentic es saprocento ganakveTi gaxlavT. rac ufro iafia<br />
procenti, bunebrivia, miT meti stimuli aqvT komerciul bankebs, rom sesxebi<br />
aiRon da rac ufro Zviria es procenti, miT ufro naklebi raodenobis lars<br />
sesxuloben erovnuli bankisgan komerciuli bankebi, amitom rac ufro maRalia<br />
saprocento ganakveTi, miT ufro mcirdeba laris masa sazogadoebaSi da rac<br />
ufro dabalia saprocento ganakveTi, miT ufro izrdeba laris masa<br />
sazogadoebaSi. monetaruli politikis gamkacreba niSnavs am refinansirebis<br />
sesxis ganakveTis gazrdas, Sesabamisad, es niSnavs imas, rom laris masa droTa<br />
ganmavlobaSi Semcirdeba, rac laris stabilurobaze imoqmedebs, anu lars<br />
ufro metad moTxovnads gaxdis, SedarebiT gaaZvirebs, laris gamyarebaze<br />
dadebiTad imoqmedebs. monetaruli politikis gamkacrebis Sedegi, saboloo<br />
jamSi, unda iyos is, rom lari SedarebiT gamyardes da aseve moklevadian<br />
periodSi da grZelvadian periodSi mosalodneli inflaciis done unda<br />
Semcirdes, Sesabamisad, gamomdinare im situaciidan, rac Seiqmna saqarTveloSi,<br />
Seqmna saqarTvelos mTavrobam da, maT Soris, kidev erTxel gavusvam xazs, rom<br />
erovnul banks ar unda daewyo gazafxulze is, rac man wamoiwyo. inflaciuri<br />
molodinebi da riskebi ukve sazogadoebaSi aris, amitom monetaruli<br />
politika unda gaamkacros~<br />
banks ar aqvs imis SesaZlebloba,<br />
rom sworad Seafasos savaluto<br />
bazarze arsebuli mdgomareoba<br />
moTxovna-miwodebis<br />
TvalsazrisiT. vgulisxmob imas,<br />
rom savaWro sesia blumbergSi<br />
mTeli dRis manZilzea gawelili,<br />
am dros erovnuli banki<br />
ver xedavs moTxovna-miwodebis<br />
kuTxiT korelacias, rogorc<br />
es savaluto birJaze xdeboda<br />
_ erTi saaTis ganmavlobaSi<br />
midioda moTxovna-miwodebis<br />
koncetracia, rac uzrunvelyofda<br />
obieqturi savaluto<br />
kursis Camoyalibebas, imitom<br />
rom maqsimaluri moculobebi<br />
monawileobda. dRes es savaWro<br />
sesia gawelilia da rodis ra<br />
garigeba, an moTxovna-miwodeba<br />
iqneba, erovnuli banki erTdroulad<br />
am situacias ver xedavs.<br />
realurad, igi Tavis rezervebs<br />
araefeqtianad xarjavs,<br />
anu intervenciebs araefeqtianad<br />
axorcielebs.<br />
_ Tqveni azriT, amgvar vi-<br />
TarebaSi ra gamosavali SeZle-<br />
ba moZebnos erovnulma bankma?<br />
_ pirveli: erovnulma bankma<br />
unda gaamkacros monetaruli<br />
politika. realurad gazardos<br />
saprocento ganakveTi da Seamciros<br />
is araefeqtiani fuladi<br />
masa, romelic bankebis likvidurobisTvis<br />
aris gacemuli.<br />
meore: finansTa saministrosTan<br />
SeTanxmebiT damatebiT unda<br />
gamouSvas saxazino valdebulebebi,<br />
rom fuladi masa daregulirdes<br />
kursis stabilizaciisTvis.<br />
mesame: is aucilebeli rezervebi<br />
rac daawesa erovnulma<br />
bankma da gazarda dolaris depozitebidan,<br />
aucileblad unda<br />
iyos ara dolarSi miRebuli<br />
erovnuli bankis mier, aramed<br />
konvertacia unda moxdes ekvalentur<br />
larebSi. es gamoiwvevs<br />
larze moTxovnas TavisTavad<br />
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sabanko sistemaSi, rac kidev<br />
erTi dadebiTi faqtori iqneba.<br />
akaki comaia, ekonomisti,<br />
eqsperti:<br />
_ ramdenad sworad da optimalurad<br />
iyenebs rezervebs erovnuli<br />
banki, ramdenad efeq-<br />
tiania maTi moqmedeba am reze-<br />
rvebis gamoyenebiT?<br />
_ Tu am kuTxiT SevxedavT,<br />
erovnuli banki frTxilobs da<br />
ase martivad rezervebs ar xarjavs,<br />
xarjavs eqstremalur situaciebSi<br />
maSin, rodesac ukve<br />
kargad Cans, rom gavlenas axdens<br />
kursis gaufasurebaze. am<br />
mxriv, vfiqrob, rom is rezervebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT sworad mimarTavs<br />
konkretul RonisZiebas.<br />
_ Sesabamisad, intervencie-<br />
bsac saWiro dros da adgilze<br />
axorcielebs?<br />
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dolaris intervencias vgulisxmobT,<br />
is sworad da mizanmimarTulad<br />
gamoiyenes. Tu winasaarCevno<br />
periods vgulisxmobT,<br />
daaxloebiT 180 miliardi<br />
dolari daixarja. gasagebia,<br />
rom iq politikuri safasuri<br />
iyo gadaxdili da es rezervebi<br />
wyalSi gadayara erovnulma<br />
bankma imitom, rom iq rezervebis<br />
ganxorcielebas aranairi<br />
azri ar hqonda. lari imitom ar<br />
gaufasurebula, rom, vTqvaT,<br />
uaryofiTi molodinebia qveyanaSi,<br />
imitom ufasurdeba, rom<br />
dolaris miwodeba mcirdeba da<br />
dolarze moTxovna izrdeba<br />
fundamenturi faqtorebis gamo,<br />
amitom rezervebis daxarjvas<br />
aranairi azri ar hqonda.<br />
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erovnuli bankis "damsaxureba"<br />
ar aris is, rom lari ase ufa-<br />
surdeba?<br />
_ amis ramdenime mizezia, maT<br />
Soris, ra Tqma unda, erovnul<br />
banksac aqvs garkveuli monawileoba<br />
Setanili laris gaufasurebaSi,<br />
magram es ar aris ZiriTadi.<br />
ZiriTadi aris Cveni ekonomika<br />
da is, rom ekonomikuri<br />
zrda ver uzrunvelyofs dolaris<br />
im raodenobis miwodebis<br />
gazrdas, an dolarze raodenobis<br />
moTxovnis Semcirebas, rom<br />
man uzrunvelyos Cveni sagareo<br />
valebis momsaxureba, ris gamoc<br />
dolaris defeqti iqneba da amitom<br />
lari ufasurdeba. es aris<br />
is fundamenturi mizezi, ratomac<br />
lari ufasurdeba da, albaT,<br />
momaval welsac gaufasurdeba.<br />
anu Cveni problema aris<br />
ekonomika. magram amas emateba<br />
kidev, ra Tqma unda, rogorc<br />
erovnuli banki, aseve mTavrobac,<br />
erovnuli bankis mier gazafxulze<br />
dawyebuli dedolarizaciis<br />
egidiT laris stimulirebis<br />
politika da savaldebulo<br />
normis gazrda dolarSi<br />
da piriqiT, larSi Semcireba.<br />
aman, ra Tqma unda, Tavisi wvlili<br />
Seitana laris gaufasurebaSi,<br />
iseve rogorc mTavrobis<br />
wvlilia mniSvnelovani. imis magivrad,<br />
rom xarjebs amcirebdes,<br />
piriqiT, xarjebs qmnis da<br />
plus, yalbia. gamoCnda, rom 10-<br />
akaki comaia<br />
punqtiani gegmis gamocxadebis<br />
Semdeg navTobimportiorebma<br />
da Tambaqosimportiorebma maragebis<br />
SeZena daiwyes, dolarze<br />
moTxovna gazardes. es gegma<br />
aqcizis gadasaxadis gazrdas<br />
exeboda navToproduqtebze,<br />
Tambaqoze. mas Semdeg, rac<br />
Tqves, rom aqcizis gadasaxadi<br />
izrdeba, bunebrivia, rom avtoimportorebma<br />
da Tambaqos<br />
importorebma saswrafod, axalwlamde<br />
daiwyes rac SeiZleba<br />
bevri navToproduqtis da<br />
Tambaqos Semotana, raTa garkveuli<br />
raodenobis produqcia<br />
Zveli aqcizis RirebulebiT gayidon<br />
manam, sanam gaZvirdeba da<br />
Sesabamisad ufro meti sargebeli<br />
naxon. probleba is aris,<br />
rom mTavrobam es gegma e.b.-sTan<br />
SeuTanxmeblad gaakeTa da<br />
ver gaTvala, rom aseTi ram Sei-<br />
Zleboda momxdariyo, amitom<br />
dolarze moTxovna gaizarda.<br />
_ konkretulad ras gulisx-<br />
mobs monetaruli politikis<br />
gamkacreba, rasac erovnuli<br />
banki gegmavs?<br />
_ monetaruli politikis<br />
erT-erTi mTavari mdgeneli instrumenti<br />
gaxlavT refinansirebis<br />
ganakveTi. komerciuli<br />
bankebi erovnuli bankisagan sesxuloben<br />
fuls, anu erovnuli<br />
banki aris laris masis emitenti<br />
da laris emisiis erT-erTi<br />
instrumentic es saprocento<br />
ganakveTi gaxlavT. rac ufro<br />
iafia procenti, bunebrivia,<br />
miT meti stimuli aqvT komerciul<br />
bankebs, rom sesxebi aiRon<br />
da rac ufro Zviria es procenti,<br />
miT ufro naklebi raodenobis<br />
lars sesxuloben erovnuli<br />
bankisgan komerciuli<br />
bankebi, amitom rac ufro maRalia<br />
saprocento ganakveTi, miT<br />
ufro mcirdeba laris masa sazogadoebaSi<br />
da rac ufro dabalia<br />
saprocento ganakveTi, miT<br />
ufro izrdeba laris masa sazogadoebaSi.<br />
monetaruli politikis<br />
gamkacreba niSnavs am refinansirebis<br />
sesxis ganakveTis<br />
gazrdas, Sesabamisad, es niSnavs<br />
imas, rom laris masa droTa ganmavlobaSi<br />
Semcirdeba, rac laris<br />
stabilurobaze imoqmedebs,<br />
anu lars ufro metad moTxovnads<br />
gaxdis, SedarebiT gaaZvirebs,<br />
laris gamyarebaze dadebiTad<br />
imoqmedebs. monetaruli<br />
politikis gamkacrebis Sedegi,<br />
saboloo jamSi, unda iyos is,<br />
rom lari SedarebiT gamyardes<br />
da aseve moklevadian periodSi<br />
da grZelvadian periodSi mosalodneli<br />
inflaciis done unda<br />
Semcirdes, Sesabamisad, gamomdinare<br />
im situaciidan, rac Seiqmna<br />
saqarTveloSi, Seqmna saqarTvelos<br />
mTavrobam da, maT Soris,<br />
kidev erTxel gavusvam xazs, rom<br />
erovnul banks ar unda daewyo<br />
gazafxulze is, rac man wamoiwyo.<br />
inflaciuri molodinebi da<br />
riskebi ukve sazogadoebaSi aris,<br />
amitom monetaruli politika<br />
unda gaamkacros.<br />
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patimris statusiT.<br />
mTavari kiTxva erTia: ratom<br />
ar ixsneba „qeqiebis” saqme? vin<br />
dgas am Semzaravi mkvlelobis<br />
miRma? vin aris dainteresebuli<br />
imiT, rom es saqme kvlav gauxsnelTa<br />
ricxvSi gadiodes? da<br />
mTavari: awuxebs Tu ara Tamaz<br />
TamazaSvils profesiuli sindisi?<br />
qvaTa RaRadi...<br />
90-ian wlebSi kaxeTSi masobrivad<br />
diwyo saflavis qvebis gaqroba<br />
sasaflaoebidan. dRemde arc<br />
erTi dakarguli saflavis qvis<br />
saqme ar gaxsnila. ra gaxda aseTi<br />
danaSaulis gauxsnelobis mizezi,<br />
gasamrjelos momcemdnen. bazaze<br />
misuli ras vxedav? _ Tu kaxeT-<br />
Si sadme saflavis qvebi dakargula<br />
Tu mouparavT, yvela iqaa,<br />
axlac mawuxebs sindisi, magram<br />
ra vqna?! mokled, davtvirTeT da<br />
daniSnulebis adgilze waviReT.<br />
ukan dabrunebuls gasamrjelo<br />
momces da miTxres, rom es arsad<br />
unda meTqva, Torem TamazaSvilTan<br />
meqneboda saqme.<br />
_ TamazaSvils icnobdiT?<br />
_ ara, ar vicnobdi, axali<br />
daniSnuli iyo samxareo policiis<br />
ufrosad, saidan unda mcodnoda?<br />
me policiaSi ar mimuSavia,<br />
is, kidev, „Soferi” ar yofila.<br />
_ gasagebia, magram ratom<br />
gixsenes, mainc da mainc, Tama-<br />
aris Tu ara<br />
`qeqiebis~<br />
mkvlelobis saqme<br />
Tamaz TamazaSvilis<br />
damokles maxvili?!<br />
is ganadgurebis gegma saxelisuflebo<br />
mafias awyobda. miuxeda-<br />
vad imisa, rom am mkvlelobidan<br />
ukve 18 weliwadze metia gasu-<br />
li, mkvlelobebis saqme Taroze<br />
devs.<br />
vin iyo eldar<br />
griSikaSvili?<br />
eldar griSikaSvils, metsaxelad<br />
„qeqias”, TelavSi yvela<br />
icnobda. im periodisTvis igi ara<br />
marto raionSi, aramed regionSi<br />
cnobili biznesmeni iyo. misi<br />
gardacvalebis Semdeg ojaxis<br />
kuTvnili qoneba daucveli dar-<br />
Ca. dRevandeli gadasaxedidan<br />
ojaxis sakuTrebaSi mxolod<br />
garkveuli raodenobis saZovrebi<br />
da, maT Soris, telekompania<br />
„Tanamgzavris” 40%-iani wilia...<br />
telekompania „Tanamgzavri”<br />
1991 wels daarsda. arxi Telavis<br />
municipalitetsa da mimdebare<br />
teritoriaze mauwyeblobs. telekompania<br />
kerZo/saerTo saeTero<br />
mauwyeblobis licenzias<br />
flobs.<br />
telekompaniis mflobelebi<br />
arian: maria griSikaSvili (40%),<br />
daviT mania (40%) da enri kobaxiZe<br />
(20%). telekompaniis mflobeloba<br />
2012 wlis martSi Seicvala<br />
da zurab qumsiaSvili daviT<br />
maniam Caanacvla.<br />
„saerTaSoriso gamWvirvaloba<br />
saqarTvelos” angariSis Tanaxmad:<br />
„daviT mania erTaderTi partnioria,<br />
romelsac sxva kompaniebSic<br />
aqvs wilebi. mis mflobe-<br />
pis” direqtoricaa. am ori kompaniis<br />
wilTa sruli mesakuTrea<br />
parlamentis wevri „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobidan” levan qardava. levan<br />
qardavas meuRle maka mania da<br />
daviT mania erTsa da imave misamarTze<br />
arian daregistrirebulni<br />
soxumSi, rac safuZvels gva-<br />
Zlevs vifiqroT, rom isini da-<br />
Zmani arian”.<br />
TelavSi cnobilia, rom eldar<br />
griSikaSvils, Tavisi sicocxlis<br />
bolo wlebSi, daundobeli<br />
omi hqonda gamocxadebuli<br />
kaxeTSi arsebul narkotikebis<br />
gasaRebasa da realizaciasTan.<br />
swored am periodSi pankisis xeoba<br />
erT-erT kerad miiCneoda,<br />
sadac narkotikuli nivTierebebi<br />
iyideboda. maSindelma Sinagan<br />
saqmeTa saministrom narkotike-<br />
Tu maSindeli xelisuflebisTvis<br />
SevardnaZisa da TargamaZis<br />
dros, SeuZlebeli iyo gri-<br />
SikaSvilebis mkvlelobis gaxsna,<br />
maSin ratom ver gaixsna saqme<br />
2012 wlis mere, roca sasamarTloc<br />
da prokuraturac Tavisufali<br />
iyo?.. Tumca aqve aRsaniSnavia,<br />
rom 2003-dan 2012 wlamde<br />
arc ucdia maSindel xelisuflebas<br />
am saqmis gaxsna. samagierod,<br />
griSikaSvilis ojaxis wevrebs<br />
(kuTvnili qoneba telekompania<br />
„Tanamgzavri”) mZime omis gadaxda<br />
mouwiaT maSindel xelisuflebasTan.<br />
imave periodSi absurduli<br />
bradebiT daakaves eldar<br />
griSikaSvilis megobari da marjvena<br />
xeli, luka ramazaSvili.<br />
ramazaSvilma sapatimro mxolod<br />
kvlav kiTxvis niSans tovebs.<br />
sofel kurdRelaurSi erTi<br />
kaci cxovrobs, romelsac dRemde<br />
eSinia, mediasTan Tavisi vinaoba<br />
gaamxilos. misgan interviu,<br />
mxolod da mxolod, erTi<br />
pirobiT aviRe, rom mis gvars ar<br />
vityodi.<br />
_ amboben, rom maSin saflav-<br />
is qvebs sadRac bazaze agrove-<br />
bdnen da Tqven am bazis Sesaxeb<br />
icodiT.<br />
_ rTulia im periodis gaxseneba,<br />
didi satvirTo manqana<br />
mqonda da imiT azerbaijansa da<br />
somxeTSi tvirTi gadamqonda, ase<br />
varCendi ojaxs. erT dResac Cemma<br />
axlobelma (is biWi daiRupa)<br />
miTxra, rom dakveTa iyo, erTerTi<br />
bazidan azerbaijanSi raRac<br />
unda gadametana da solidur<br />
zaSvili?<br />
_ gamafrTxiles, rom masze ar<br />
unda melaparaka.<br />
_ anu TamazaSviliT dagemu-<br />
qrnen?<br />
_ ki, TamazaSviliT damemuqrnen.<br />
_ moparuli gadagqondaT da<br />
ucnauri ar ris, rom policiis<br />
ufrosiT gemuqrebodnen?<br />
_ maSin 90-ani wlebi iyo da<br />
policielebi kriminalebze didi<br />
damnaSaveebi iyvnen, es yvelas-<br />
Tvis cnobilia da arc gasakviri<br />
aris araferi.<br />
Tu CemTan mosaubris logi-<br />
kas gavyvebiT, didma generalma<br />
marnis saZirkvlis Cayra moparuli<br />
saflavis qvebis biznes-<br />
iT daiwyo, e. i. arc erT droSi<br />
realurad arc erTi Zalovani<br />
struqtura ar dainteresebula<br />
TamazaSvilis saqmianobiT, arc<br />
erT xelisuflebas ar Seufasebia,<br />
policiis generali gulgrilad<br />
ekideoboda Tu ara sam-<br />
saxurebriv saqmes, danaSaulis<br />
gaxsnas da a. S.<br />
P. S. ra droc ar unda gavides,<br />
TelavSi yvelas emaxsovreba,<br />
rom TamazaSvilis moR-<br />
vaweoba kaxeTSi gauxsneli saq-<br />
meebis seriebiT TariRdeba! ra<br />
droc ar unda gavides, vinc am<br />
danaSaulebebs gadaxedavs, yo-<br />
velTvis dasvams kiTxvas, _ dRe-<br />
mde ratom aravis daukiTxvas<br />
generali?!<br />
N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.<br />
25
gela mamulaSvili<br />
599 45 50 26<br />
„adamianis uflebaTa centris”<br />
gancxadebiT, azerbaijanis moqalaqe daSgin aRalarlis,<br />
romelic saqarTveloSi politikur TavSesafars iTx-<br />
ovs, saqarTvelos specsamsaxurebis saxeliT uTvalTvale-<br />
ben da aviwroeben. arasamTavrobo organizaciisve cnobiT,<br />
bolo Tveebis ganmavlobaSi daSgin aRalarlis gaurkvevelma<br />
pirma mobilur telefonze orjer daureka da gasaubrebis<br />
mizniT TbilisSi, romelime skverSi Sexvedra mosTxova.<br />
„pirveli zaris dros ucnobma<br />
ganacxada, rom saqarTvelos<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa saministros<br />
TanamSromeli iyo, meore jerze<br />
ki saxelmwifo uSiSroebis<br />
samsaxuris warmomadgenlad<br />
gaecno.<br />
„adamianis uflebaTa centri<br />
SeSfoTebas” gamoxatavs politikuri<br />
TavSesafris maZiebel-<br />
Tan samarTlebrivi procedurebis<br />
uxeSi darRveviT ganxorcielebuli<br />
komunikaciis Taobaze,<br />
rac gamokveTilad atarebs<br />
ukanono TvalTvalisa da devnis<br />
xasiaTs.<br />
SemaSfoTebelia, rom zarebi<br />
ganxorcielda daSifruli mobiluri<br />
nomridan da SeuZlebelia<br />
dadgena, namdvilad Sss-s,<br />
an sus-is warmomadgeneli iyo<br />
dainteresebuli SexvedriT, Tu<br />
sxva pirebi, romlebsac SesaZloa,<br />
kanonsawinaaRmdego miznebi<br />
amoZravebdeT.<br />
daSgin aRalarli aris azerbaijanis<br />
opoziciuri partia<br />
„musavaTis” wevri. igi wlebis<br />
ganmavlobaSi idevneboda azerbaijanis<br />
xelisuflebisgan gansxvavebuli<br />
politikuri Sexedulebebis<br />
gamo. 2013 wels, sxva<br />
politikuri da sazogadoebrivi<br />
aqtivistebis msgavsad,<br />
aRalarlis azerbaijanis xelisuflebam<br />
dausabuTebeli<br />
brali wauyena _ gadasaxadebisgan<br />
Tavis arideba.<br />
2014 wels daSgin aRalarli<br />
saqarTvelos samarTaldamcvelma<br />
organoebma TurqeTis respublikidan<br />
saqarTveloSi Semosvlisas<br />
daakaves, roca mas gadawyvetili<br />
hqonda, saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebisTvis politikuri<br />
TavSesafari eTxova.<br />
adamianis uflebaTa centris<br />
daxmarebiT, 2014 wlis agvisto-<br />
Si, igi patimrobidan ganTavisuflda.<br />
2014 wels daSgin aRalarlim<br />
saqarTvelos okupirebuli<br />
teritoriebidan iZulebiT gadaadgilebul<br />
pirTa, gansaxlebisa<br />
da ltolvilTa saministros<br />
mimarTa da moiTxova misTvis<br />
da misi SvilisTvis ltolvilis<br />
statusis miniWeba, razedac, 2<br />
wlis Semdeg, saministrosgan<br />
dausabuTebeli uari miiRo.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
adamianis uflebaTa centris<br />
samarTlebrivi daxmarebiT, da-<br />
Sgin aRalarlim saministros<br />
uari administraciuli wesiT<br />
Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi<br />
gaasaCivra. Tbilisis saqalaqo<br />
sasamarTlom daakmayofila<br />
moTxovna da saqarTvelos<br />
okupirebuli teritoriebidan<br />
iZulebiT gadaadgilebul<br />
pirTa, gansaxlebisa da<br />
ltolvilTa saministros daavala<br />
daSgin aRalarlisTvis da<br />
misi SvilisTvis ltolvilis<br />
statusis miniWeba.<br />
amave dros, Tbilisis saqalaqo<br />
sasamarTlom srulad<br />
gaiziara mosarCeleebis pozicia,<br />
rom aRalarlebis azerbaijanisTvis<br />
gadacemis SemTxvevaSi<br />
safrTxe daemuqreboda maT<br />
sicocxles da daeqvemdebarebodnen<br />
wamebasa da politikur<br />
devnas.<br />
Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamar-<br />
Tlos mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebis<br />
miuxedavad, saqarTvelos<br />
okupirebuli teritoriebidan<br />
iZulebiT gadaadgilebul<br />
pirTa, gansaxlebisa da<br />
ltolvilTa saministros dRemde<br />
ar miuniWebia ltolvilis<br />
statusi daSgin aRalarlisTvis<br />
da misi SvilisTvis. amave<br />
dros, politikuri devnilis<br />
mimarT ar wydeba devna da fsiqologiuri<br />
zewola.<br />
„adamianis uflebaTa centri”<br />
moiTxovs, saqarTvelos xelisuflebam<br />
miiRos Sesabamisi<br />
zomebi im pirTa identificirebisTvis,<br />
romlebic saqarTvelos<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa saministrosa<br />
da saxelmwifo uSiSroebis<br />
samsaxuris saxeliT daukav-<br />
Sirdnen daSgin aRalarlis.<br />
amave dros, xelisuflebam<br />
unda Seafasos yvela safrTxe,<br />
rac ki SeiZleba emuqrebodes<br />
ltolvilis statusis maZiebels<br />
da maqsimalurad uzrunvelyos<br />
misi usafrTxoeba”, _<br />
naTqvamia „adamianis uflebaTa<br />
centris” gancxadebaSi.<br />
„qronika+”-s esaubreba saqarTveloSi<br />
politikuri TavS-<br />
esafris maZiebeli daSgin aR-<br />
alarli:<br />
arli:<br />
`politikuri<br />
TavSesafris<br />
maZiebels<br />
saqarTvelos<br />
specsamsaxurebis<br />
saxeliT<br />
aviwroeben~<br />
`mec adamiani var,<br />
sicocxlis,<br />
normaluri cxovrebis<br />
ufleba maqvs... aseve<br />
Tavisuflad<br />
muSaobisa da ojaxis<br />
Senaxvis saSualeba<br />
unda mqondes~<br />
_ batono daSgin, ra mizeze-<br />
bis gamo moiTxoveT saqarTveloSi<br />
politikuri TavSesafa-<br />
ri?<br />
_ Cems qveyanaSi mdevnidnen.<br />
raRac falsificirebuli braldebebi<br />
wamiyenes, romlis ganxocrielebac<br />
me arafriT Seme-<br />
Zlo. rodesac TurqeT-saqarTvelos<br />
saxelmwifo sazRvari<br />
gadmovkveTe, sarfis sakontrolo-gamSveb<br />
punqtze damapatimres.<br />
amixsnes, rom es swored<br />
azerbaijanis moTxovniT moxda.<br />
amis Semdeg saqarTvelos<br />
prezidents, giorgi margvelaSvils<br />
gancxadebiT mivmarTe da<br />
vTxove, rom CemTvis politikuri<br />
TavSesafari moeca. aqedan<br />
moyolebuli sami weli gadis da<br />
es statusi ar mimiRia. vacxadeb,<br />
rom me azerbaijanSi dabruneba<br />
ar SemiZlia da amitom<br />
saqarTveloSi politikur Tav-<br />
Sesafars viTxov.<br />
_ ratom ar SegiZliaT sam-<br />
SobloSi dabruneba? potenci-<br />
urad iq ra problemebi Segeqm-<br />
nebaT?<br />
_ azerbaijanis xelisufleba<br />
calsaxad politikuri mrwamsis<br />
gamo mdevnis. isini araerTxel<br />
Seecadnen, rom davepatimrebine.<br />
qveynidan amitom wamovedi.<br />
rodesac opoziciuri politikuri<br />
moqmedebebi gavaZliereT,<br />
maT Cem winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis<br />
saqme aRZres da Zebna<br />
gamoacxades.<br />
TurqeTSi yofnisas, rodesac<br />
iqauri televiziiT azerbaijanis<br />
xelisufleba gavakritike,<br />
kerZod, brali davde mZime<br />
danaSaulobebSi, korufciaSi,<br />
monopoliaSi, xelisuflebis<br />
ukanonod xelSi CagdebaSi, konstituciis<br />
darRvevasa da a. S.,<br />
maT gadawyvites, rom an davedumebine,<br />
an davepatimrebine.<br />
amis gamo saqme aRZres da Cem<br />
dasapatimreblad interpols<br />
mimarTes, amitom aranairi Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba ar maqvs, rom samSobloSi<br />
davbrunde.<br />
_ konkretulad ras gulisx-<br />
mobT, rodesac azerbaijanSi<br />
xelisuflebis ukanonod xel-<br />
Si Cagdebasa da msgavs bralde-<br />
bebze saubrobT?<br />
_ saerTod, 1993 wlis Semdeg<br />
azerbaijanSi kanonieri, Ria da<br />
demokratiuli arCevnebi ar Catarebula.<br />
xelisuflebis war-<br />
26<br />
`Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlom srulad gaiziara mosarCeleebis pozicia, rom<br />
aRalarlebis azerbaijanisTvis gadacemis SemTxvevaSi safrTxe daemuqreboda maT<br />
sicocxles da daeqvemdebarebodnen wamebasa da politikur devnas.<br />
Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlos mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebis miuxedavad,<br />
saqarTvelos okupirebuli teritoriebidan iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTa,<br />
gansaxlebisa da ltolvilTa saministros dRemde ar miuniWebia ltolvilis<br />
statusi daSgin aRalarlisTvis da misi SvilisTvis. amave dros, politikuri<br />
devnilis mimarT ar wydeba devna da fsiqologiuri zewola~<br />
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momadgenlebi, rogorc heidar,<br />
aseve ilham alievis dros arCevnebs<br />
yovelTvis agebdnen, maT<br />
realurad xalxis mxardaWera<br />
ar gaaCniaT. amis Semdeg raRac<br />
protokolebs avsebdnen, TavianTTvis<br />
sasurvel procentebs<br />
iwerdnen (95-98%) da, TiTqosda,<br />
aseTi didi upiratesobiT<br />
igebdnen arCevnebs. axla rasac<br />
vambob, yvela saerTaSoriso<br />
dokumentSi dadasturebulia;<br />
xolo mimdinare 2016 wels,<br />
mTelma saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobam,<br />
maT Soris, euTom,<br />
azerbaijanSi Catarebuli arCevnebi<br />
saerTod ar aRiara, amitom<br />
miviCnevT, rom azerbaijan-<br />
Si xelisufleba ara demokratiuli<br />
arCevnebiT, aramed ra-<br />
Rac arakonstituciuri gzebiT<br />
yalibdeba. realurad, es Zalauflebis<br />
xelSi Cagdebaa.<br />
_ TurqeTSi yofnisas ra<br />
problemebi SegeqmnaT?<br />
_ stambulis policiam Tvi-<br />
Ton maiZula, rom TurqeTidan<br />
wamovsuliyavi. maT miTxres,<br />
rom azerbaijani Tqven gadacemas<br />
iTxovso, _ Cven viciT, rom<br />
es saqme politikuria, ar gvsurs<br />
deportacia, magram Tu<br />
amis Semdegac TurqeTSi gaCerdebiT,<br />
Cven, adre Tu gvian, iZulebeuli<br />
gavxdebiT, dagapatimroT<br />
da gadagceT, amitom gTxovT,<br />
Cveni qveyana datoveTo.<br />
mokled, maiZules, rom es qveyana<br />
dametovebina.<br />
_ sarfSi gadmosvlisas ra<br />
braldeba wagiyenes?<br />
_ qarTul mxares sazRvarze<br />
rame ganmarteba ar moucia, magram<br />
dapatimrebis mere amixsnes,<br />
rom es Cven azerbaijanis<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa saministros<br />
moTxovniT gavakeTeTo.<br />
_ riT iyo es nabiji das-<br />
abuTebuli?<br />
_ arafriT ar auxsniaT.<br />
rodesac adgilze makavebdnen,<br />
gaeros warmomadgeneli moviTxove<br />
da maT avuxseni, rom es<br />
politikuri saqmea, magram Tarjimnis<br />
garda aravin moiyvanes.<br />
mere ganmimartes, rom saqar-<br />
Tvelosa da azerbaijans Soris<br />
calkeuli adamianebis dakavebaze<br />
protokoli moqmedebs da<br />
swored am safuZvelze sami<br />
TviT damapatimres. rogorc<br />
aRvniSne, Tavdapirvelad, saqarTvelos<br />
prezidents mivmarTe,<br />
Semdeg Cemi saqmiT ukve dainteresdnen<br />
rogorc qarTuli<br />
(adamianis uflebaTa centri),<br />
ise saerTaSoriso uflebadamcveli<br />
organizaciebi, aseve azerbaijanis<br />
politikuri partiebi<br />
da agvistos bolos ukve<br />
patimrobidan gamaTavisufles.<br />
_ ganTavisuflebis mere<br />
devnilTa saministros mima-<br />
rTeT. riT axsnes uari Tqve-<br />
nTvis politikuri statusis<br />
moniWebaze?<br />
_ xelT maqvs maT mier gacemuli<br />
dokumenti. pirvel punqtSi<br />
daweres, rom isini aRiareben<br />
saqmis politikurobas, _<br />
saerTaSoriso protokolebiT,<br />
Jenevis konvenciiT ufleba<br />
maqvs, moviTxovo politikuri<br />
TavSesafari, magram qveynis,<br />
anu saqarTvelos interesebidan<br />
gamomdinare, uari miTxres<br />
TavSesafris moniWebaze.<br />
_ amis Semdeg Tbilisis saq-<br />
alaqo sasamarTlos mimarT-<br />
eT...<br />
_ diax, maT saqme ganixiles,<br />
yvela Sesabamisi dokumenti Seiswavles.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, erTi<br />
daxuruli sxdoma gamarTes da<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
giorgi margvelaSvili<br />
`rodesac am sakiTxze saqarTvelos prezidents<br />
mivmarTavdi, miviCnevdi, rom es normaluri,<br />
kanonieri uflebaa, Seesabameba saerTaSoriso<br />
normebs, saqarTvelos kanonebs... saqarTvelo<br />
azerbaijans esazRvreba, aq megobari xalxebi<br />
cxovroben da Zalian msurda, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
mecxovra, magram Tuki mTavrobas ar surs, rom<br />
mis teritoriaze vicxovro, maSin Cemi<br />
dokumentebi unda daebrunebinaT da eTqvaT, rom<br />
gTxovT, Cveni qveynidan gaemgzavreTo. es<br />
dokumentebi dRemde ar damibrunes da Cems<br />
mimarTvazec pasuxs ar mcemen. miviCnev, rom am<br />
situaciidan yvelaze gonivruli gamosavali is<br />
aris, saqarTvelom Seasrulos, rogorc Tavisi<br />
saerTaSoriso valdebulebebi, aseve<br />
saerTaSoriso kanonmdebloba da Cemi ufleba,<br />
rom mec adamiani var, sicocxlis, normaluri<br />
cxovrebis ufleba maqvs...~<br />
gadawyvites, rom saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebam unda daakmayofilos<br />
Cemi Txovna da politikuri<br />
TavSesafari momces.<br />
_ amis Semdeg ra procesebi<br />
ganviTarda?<br />
_ vfiqrob, rom xelisufleba<br />
Caeria. zustad SvidTvenaxevari<br />
gadawyvetilebas ver iRebdnen,<br />
rom saministroSi gaegzavnaT.<br />
am drois gasvlis Semdeg,<br />
rogorc iqna, aRsasruleblad<br />
gagzavnes, xolo devnil-<br />
Ta saministrom es gadawyvetileba<br />
amjerad saapelacio sasamarTlos<br />
gadaugzavna. xazs<br />
vusvam, _ saqalaqo sasamarTlos<br />
es gadawyvetileba miRebisTanave<br />
unda gadaegzavna da<br />
amas, realurad, 7,5 Tvis ganmavlobaSi<br />
ar akeTebdnen. sabolood,<br />
okupirebuli teritoriebis<br />
saministrom gadawyvetilebis<br />
apelacia moaxdina.<br />
_ am apelacias riT xsnian?<br />
_ jerjerobiT, maT mier saapelacio<br />
sasamarTloSi gadagzavnili<br />
dokumenti ar maqvs,<br />
amitom ar vici, masSi ra daweres.<br />
vfiqrob, imasve dawerdnen,<br />
rac adre daweres.<br />
_ ras ukavSirebT aseT damokidebulebas,<br />
rodesac dev-<br />
nilTa saministros ar surs<br />
pirveli instanciis sasamarT-<br />
los gadawyvetilebis aRsru-<br />
leba?<br />
_ Cans, rom saqarTvelos xelisufalni<br />
am sakiTxSi (rogorc<br />
CemTan, aseve sxva msgavs<br />
saqmeebTan mimarTebiT) azerbaijanis<br />
xelisuflebis nebas<br />
emorCilebian. amas ufro akeTeben,<br />
vidre kanonis, saerTaSoriso<br />
protokolebis dacvas,<br />
romlebsac maT xeli moaweres.<br />
anu saqarTvelos xelisufleba<br />
am sakiTxSi mWidrod megobrobs<br />
da TanamSromlobs azerbaijanis<br />
xelisuflebasTan da arc<br />
surs mas awyeninos.<br />
_ magram es saerTaSoriso<br />
samarTlis normebTan Tanx-<br />
mobaSi rogor modis?<br />
_ aRniSnul normebs ewinaaRmdegeba,<br />
magram azerbaijani<br />
saqarTvelosgan iTxovs, rom<br />
mis moqalaqeebs Tbilisma politikuri<br />
TavSesafari ar misces;<br />
da saqarTvelo, jerjerobiT,<br />
amas iTvaliswinebs.<br />
_ am fonze, saqarTveloSi<br />
gemuqrebaT Tu ara rame sa-<br />
frTxe?<br />
_ gansakuTrebul safrTxes<br />
saqarTveloSi ver vgrZnob, magram,<br />
rogorc aRvniSneT, aris<br />
garkveuli niuansebi, romlebic<br />
CemTan mimarTebiT xdeba<br />
da es maSfoTebs.<br />
_ SegiZliaT gviTxraT, vin<br />
arian es adamianebi, romlebic<br />
girekaven da TqvenTan Sexve-<br />
drebs iTxoven?<br />
_ simarTle giTxraT, am adamianebis<br />
gamorkvevisTvis xelisuflebis<br />
Sesabamis organoebs<br />
mivmarTeT, _ rogorc Sss-s, usafrTxoebis<br />
samsaxurs, aseve<br />
iusticiis ministrs, ombudsmensa<br />
da dRemde pasuxi ar migviRia.<br />
Cvenc Zalian gvainteresebs,<br />
vin arian es adamianebi. magram<br />
saqme isaa, rom am adamianebis<br />
darekvebisa da dabarebis Sesaxeb<br />
azerbaijanis xelisuflebis<br />
warmomadgenlebmac ician, amitom<br />
aq mTavari safrTxe isaa,<br />
rom, albaT, saqarTvelos usafrTxoebis<br />
samsaxuri azerbaijanis<br />
usafrTxoebis samsaxur-<br />
Tan TanamSromlobs.<br />
_ Seqmnili mdgomareobidan<br />
gamosavals sad xedavT?<br />
_ rodesac am sakiTxze saqar-<br />
Tvelos prezidents mivmarTavdi,<br />
miviCnevdi, rom es normaluri,<br />
kanonieri uflebaa, Seesabameba<br />
saerTaSoriso normebs,<br />
saqarTvelos kanonebs... saqar-<br />
Tvelo azerbaijans esazRvreba,<br />
aq megobari xalxebi cxovroben<br />
da Zalian msurda, rom<br />
saqarTveloSi mecxovra,<br />
magram Tuki mTavrobas ar<br />
surs, rom mis teritoriaze<br />
vicxovro, maSin Cemi dokumentebi<br />
unda daebrunebinaT da eTqvaT,<br />
rom gTxovT, Cveni qveynidan<br />
gaemgzavreTo.<br />
es dokumentebi dRemde ar<br />
damibrunes da Cems mimarTvazec<br />
pasuxs ar mcemen. miviCnev,<br />
rom am situaciidan yvelaze<br />
gonivruli gamosavali is aris,<br />
saqarTvelom Seasrulos, rogorc<br />
Tavisi saerTaSoriso valdebulebebi,<br />
aseve saerTaSoriso<br />
kanonmdebloba da Cemi ufleba,<br />
rom mec adamiani var, sicocxlis,<br />
normaluri cxovrebis<br />
ufleba maqvs... aseve Tavisuflad<br />
muSaobisa da ojaxis Senaxvis<br />
saSualeba unda mqondes. am<br />
droisTvis yvela es normaluri,<br />
adamianuri SesaZlebloba<br />
warTmeuli maqvs. Cemi yvela<br />
ufleba am mxriv darRveulia.<br />
_ samomavlod ras fiqrobT,<br />
saqarTveloSi darCenas Tu az-<br />
erbaijanSi dabrunebas? ra<br />
gegmebi gaqvT?<br />
_ sanam azerbaijanSi moqmedi<br />
xelisuflebaa, qveyanaSi dabrunebas,<br />
ubralod, ver SevZleb.<br />
saqarTveloSi darCena Zalian<br />
minda, magram ar vici, SemdgomSi<br />
ra moxdeba. saqarTvelo<br />
Seasrulebs Tu ara sasamar-<br />
Tlos gadawyvetilebas, an ra<br />
gadawyvetilebas miiRebs saapelacio<br />
sasamarTlo.<br />
Tuki iZulebuli gavxdebi,<br />
rasakvirvelia, qveyanas davtoveb,<br />
magram am droisTvis Cemi dokumentebi<br />
Tan ar maqvs da is unda<br />
damibrunon. vimedovneb kanonierebaze,<br />
marTlmsajulebasa<br />
da humanitarul pasuxismgeblobaze,<br />
raTa saqarTvelos xelisuflebam,<br />
bolos da bolos, Cemi<br />
adamianuri uflebebi cnos.<br />
`azerbaijanis xelisufleba calsaxad politikuri mrwamsis gamo mdevnis.<br />
isini araerTxel Seecadnen, rom davepatimrebine. qveynidan amitom<br />
wamovedi. rodesac opoziciuri politikuri moqmedebebi gavaZliereT, maT<br />
Cem winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis saqme aRZres da Zebna gamoacxades.<br />
TurqeTSi yofnisas, rodesac iqauri televiziiT azerbaijanis xelisufleba<br />
gavakritike, kerZod, brali davde mZime danaSaulobebSi, korufciaSi,<br />
monopoliaSi, xelisuflebis ukanonod xelSi CagdebaSi, konstituciis<br />
darRvevasa da a. S., maT gadawyvites, rom an davedumebine, an<br />
davepatimrebine. amis gamo saqme aRZres da Cem dasapatimreblad<br />
interpols mimarTes, amitom aranairi SesaZlebloba ar maqvs, rom<br />
samSobloSi davbrunde~<br />
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Sardeni saprotesto<br />
axali wlisTvis Tbilisis isto-<br />
Tamar rostiaSvili<br />
riuli ubani da turistebis meqa _<br />
577 10 07 06<br />
„Sardenis” teritoria _ SeiZleba,<br />
saprotesto aqciebis poligonad<br />
gadaiqces. saubaria kafe-barebis mepatroneebze, romlebmac<br />
„qronika+”-s<br />
momarTes da sakuTar biznesze zewolaze saubroben.<br />
meriam maT 2017 wlis 15 ianvramde misca vada, ra periodSic yvela<br />
maTganma (am etapisTvis, 38 kafe-bari) mTlianad unda aiRon gada-<br />
xuruli tentebi, rac kafes 60%-s Seadgens.<br />
nana miqelaZe, Sardenze mde-<br />
bare baris mepatrone:<br />
_ axla movidnen da brZola<br />
dagviwyes. meriaSi dagvibares da<br />
gamogvicxades, rom 15 ianvramde<br />
unda aviRoT gare tentebi. iciT,<br />
albaT, Sardenze barebis, restornebisa<br />
da kafeebis did nawils<br />
tentebi aqvs mowyobili. es gaxlavT<br />
dasajdomebi, romelic celofnebiT<br />
aris „Seminuli” yvela<br />
wesis dacviT _ rkinis konstruqciebze<br />
sakmaod myarad awyobili.<br />
_ albaT, meti klientis da-<br />
satevad?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi imitom, rom<br />
damreci da dangreuli teritoria,<br />
sadac komunikacia arasworad<br />
iyo gamoyvanili, ufro mimzidveli<br />
gaexadaT.<br />
_ meriisgan nebarTva aiReT?<br />
_ amas nebarTva ar sWirdeboda.<br />
razec saWiro iyo, imaze aviReT,<br />
Tan guSin ki ar gagvikeTebia,<br />
wlebia, asea da aqamde aravis<br />
dauSlia. Semdeg moxda is, rac<br />
Zalian gagvixarda _ ubans istoriuli<br />
statusi mianiWes. gvegona,<br />
amiT Cveni saqme kidev ufro<br />
win waiwevda da ai, swored am<br />
dros daiwyo, rac daiwyo.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ rac gareT gvidgas, gadaxurvis<br />
qveS: gaTbobisa da eleqtro-<br />
28<br />
nino mTvaraZe<br />
energiis gayvaniloba, damontaJebuli<br />
konstruqciebi, gadmoxuruli<br />
tentebi, dagebuli iataki,<br />
adgils morgebuli sayvavileebi<br />
_ yvelaferi unda davangrioT da<br />
aviRoT. am dros, manamde, arasodes<br />
aravin Segvxebia. ai, rom<br />
mosuliyvnen, eTqvaT, es da es ar<br />
varga, unda SecvaloTo, moecaT<br />
gonivruli vada, eCvenebinaT<br />
proeqti, rogor unda gagvekeTebina<br />
da yvelafers ise gavakeTebdiT,<br />
rogorc qalaqis mTavroba<br />
mogvTxovda. amis winaaRmdegi<br />
arasodes vyofilvarT.<br />
_ riT aris meriis moTxovna<br />
kanonieri da riT _ ukanono?<br />
_ kanonis farglebSi moqmedebaze<br />
arasodes gviTqvams uari da<br />
yovelTvis mzad viyaviT saTanam-<br />
Sromlod. eTqvaT da SevcvlidiT,<br />
magram arasodes araferi<br />
uTqvamT da axla mogvadgnen,<br />
aiReT da mere getyviT, ra unda<br />
gaakeToTo. mere ras niSnavs? an<br />
erT TveSi 38 kafe rogor unda<br />
aiSalos?! farTis ZiriTadi nawili<br />
swored gareTa tentebze<br />
modis da klientis umravlesoba<br />
iq Tavsdeba. is Tu agvaRebines,<br />
unda davxuroT obieqti da ojaxi<br />
ulukmapurod davtovoT. garda<br />
amisa, TiToeulSi 10 adamiani<br />
mainc aris dasaqmebuli da 380<br />
kaci samsaxuris gareSe rCeba.<br />
aRar vambob farTis mflobelebze,<br />
romlebic Cveni saxiT meijares<br />
kargaven da aseve Semosavlis<br />
gareSe rCebian.<br />
_ ratom axla, rogor<br />
fiqrobT?<br />
_ ki ar vfiqrobT, darwmunebulebi<br />
varT, rom meria amas Tavisi<br />
nebiT ar akeTebs. Tavi da Tavi<br />
amisa aris „meidan jgufi”, romelic<br />
xelisuflebas gaurigda.<br />
meriasTan erTad akeTebs eTobliv<br />
proeqtebs, magaliTad, aRmaSenebelze<br />
„vardebis parkSi”.<br />
kompaniis damfuZnebeli zaza niSnianiZea<br />
da misi moadgile laSa<br />
qevaniSvili, romelic, rogorc<br />
amboben, „nacionalebis” dros<br />
zura adeiSvilis marjvena<br />
xeli iyoo. „meidan<br />
jgufi” mTel<br />
am teritoriaze<br />
flobs farTebs<br />
da bunebrivia,<br />
Cveni aq arseboba<br />
ar awyobs.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ imitom, rom TviTonac analogiuri<br />
obieqtebi aqvs da klientebs<br />
varTmevT. roca meriaSi Sexvedraze<br />
viyaviT, pirdapir gviTxres,<br />
_ Cven ras gverCiT, Tqvens<br />
samezoblos mohkiTxeTo. diax,<br />
problema eqmneba erT konkretul<br />
kompanias da amitom Cven unda<br />
aviyaroT. kreditebs ra vuyoT _<br />
yvelas uzarmazari kreditebi<br />
gvaqvs da imiT vamuSavebT obieqtebs.<br />
_ 15-mde rom ar aiRoT, ra<br />
moxdeba?<br />
_ pirveladi jarima 10 000<br />
lari iqneba da mere _ 30 000<br />
lari. amis Semdeg ukve TviTon<br />
gaakeTeben demontaJs.<br />
_ vinmes mxardaWera Tu<br />
gaqvT?<br />
_ dasaxmareblad mivmarTeT<br />
arasamTavroboebs da saxalxo<br />
damcvelis aparats. maTi CarTuloba<br />
metad mniSvnelovania. am<br />
etapze vinc gansakuTrebulad<br />
gvidgas gverdiT aris deputati<br />
beqa odiSaria. yvelaze metad<br />
misi imedi gvaqvs.<br />
„qronika+” detalebis gasarkvevad<br />
„meidan jgufis” dam-<br />
fuZnebels, zaza niSnianiZes<br />
daukavSirda da Seecada, yvela<br />
kiTxvaze pasuxi mieRo:<br />
_ batono zaza, Cven mogv-<br />
marTes Sardenze, rkinis rigSi<br />
ganTavsebuli kafe-barebis mepa-<br />
troneebma, romlebic „meidan<br />
jgufs” Riad adeben xels. sau-<br />
baria imaze, rom meriam maT 2017<br />
wlis 15 ianvramde misca vada da<br />
`bizness Cven ar vexebiT, piriqiT, mobrZandiT da<br />
gaaformeT eg Tqveni tenti, mxolod nu iqneba<br />
gadaxuruli. gamodgiT gareT kafe da<br />
analogiurad mogcemT nebarTvas. mainc arc<br />
erTma maTganma ar gaigo Zalian didi xani es<br />
ambavi. sxvaTa Soris, aqamde ar gauJRerebiaT eg<br />
ambavi, rom ar icodnen. Zalian kargad icodnen~<br />
am dromde tentebi mTlianad<br />
unda aiRon.<br />
_ meriam Tu misca vada, „meidan<br />
jgufi” ra SuaSia?<br />
_ kafeebis mepatroneebs meri-<br />
aSi Riad ganucxades (gvars da<br />
saxels, bunebrivia, isini ar asax-<br />
eleben), rom Cven ra SuaSi varT,<br />
samezoblos mohkiTxeTo.<br />
_ mere?<br />
_ mere is, rom samezoblo<br />
Tqven xarT. kidev erTxel vime-<br />
oreb, isini sruliad Riad<br />
saubroben Tavisi saxelebiT da<br />
gvarebiT.<br />
_ kargiT, Cven ra gvaqvs „mosakiTxi?”<br />
_ saubaria interesTa kon-<br />
fliqtze, rom „meidan jgufi”<br />
meriasTan aris Sekruli da er-<br />
Tobliv proeqtebs axorciel-<br />
ebs. aseve is, rom sasamarTloSi<br />
gaqvT sarCeli Setanili barebis<br />
mflobelebis winaaRmdeg iersax-<br />
is damaxinjebis Taobaze.<br />
_ Cven mediaaqtivobiT ar gamovirCeviT,<br />
magram yvela konkretul<br />
kiTxvaze gagcemT pasuxs.<br />
_ mediaaqtivoba ra SuaSia?!<br />
braldebebze pasuxis gacemis sa-<br />
Sualebas yovelTvis vaZlevT me-<br />
ore mxares, calmxrivad xom ar<br />
gavuSvebT?<br />
_ ki batono, Tqveni kiTxvebi.<br />
_ ratom Seitana „meidan<br />
jgufma” sasamarTloSi sarCeli<br />
patara barebisa da kafeebis<br />
winaaRmdeg?<br />
_ me mgoni, ar Segvitania.<br />
_ ufro zustad?<br />
_ me ar var CarTuli yoveld-<br />
Riur saqmianobaSi, magram, mgoni,<br />
rom ar Segvitania. principSi,<br />
darwmunebulic var.<br />
_ is, rom meria, am etapze, 38<br />
kafe-bars sTxovs gareTa nawi-<br />
lis aRebas, am procesSi aranair-<br />
ad ar aris CarTuli „meidan<br />
jgufi” da arc Sexeba aqvs?<br />
_ Cven rogor gveqneba Sexeba,<br />
rodesac is teritoria, romelzedac<br />
es obieqtebi aris gan-<br />
Tavsebuli, Cveni ar aris? yvela<br />
meriis daqvemdebarebaSia. ase<br />
rom, maTTan aranairi kveTa ar<br />
gvaqvs. Cven, ubralod, vcdilobT,<br />
rom vinaidan im ubanSi<br />
vsaqmianobT, mezoblurad saer-<br />
To iersaxeze vizrunoT, raTa<br />
iseTi mniSvnelovani teritoria,<br />
romelic ucxoelebisa da turistebis<br />
TavSesayaria, cota normalurad<br />
gamoiyurebodes.<br />
_ mezoblurad saqmis mog-<br />
vareba ras niSnavs? dRes im<br />
xalxs yrian iqidan da xval Tqve-<br />
ni mezoblebi aRar iqnebian?<br />
_ rodesac tentebi keTdeboda,<br />
anu TiToeuli Tavisas rom<br />
akeTebda, vTxovdiT, rom amas nu<br />
gaakeTebT, iersaxes amaxinjebT<br />
da a. S. didi xania, es dialogi<br />
midis Cven Soris. iq Cveni megobrebi<br />
da axloblebic arian. sul<br />
vcdilobT, rom rasac gavakeTebT,<br />
lamazad gavakeToT. adgilze<br />
iyaviT? naxeT, ra xdeba?..<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, viyaviT, gada-<br />
viReT kidec.<br />
_ maSin, SeamCnevdiT, rom<br />
Zalian maxinji warmonaqmnebia.<br />
celofnis lojiebis ubani gaxda,<br />
rkinis rigi da aranairad aRiqmeba<br />
istoriul garemod. maT isedac<br />
megobrulad da mezoblurad<br />
vTxove, rom modi, Tu gavakeTebT,<br />
raRaca lamazad gavakeToT er-<br />
Toblivad-meTqi.<br />
_ ra pasuxi miiReT?<br />
_ samwuxarod, erTianoba am<br />
mezoblebSi ver Seikra. mand erTmaneTSic<br />
aris raRac konfliqti.<br />
Cven isic SevTavzeT, rom dagexmarebiT,<br />
iqneb, saerTo didi proeqti<br />
gavakeToT, lamazi da Sekruli<br />
arqiteqturuli sivrce<br />
rom gamoCeniliyo, radgan is, rac<br />
axla aris, Zalian mdare xarisxis<br />
gaxlavT. zafxulSic ar iReben<br />
am tentebs da Zalian uSnoa. rogor<br />
giTxraT, trapizonis bazrobaze<br />
aRar akeTeben amas, rac dRes<br />
Tbilisis istoriul centrSi<br />
xdeba. sxvaTa Soris, pirvelma<br />
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aqciebisTvis emzadeba!<br />
vinc gaakeTa tenti, imas vTxoveT,<br />
rom nu gaakeTeb, imitom rom<br />
rogorc ki erTi gaakeTebs, mere<br />
yvela gaakeTebs-meTqi. logikuricaa,<br />
_ Tu erTisTvis SeiZleba,<br />
meorisTvis akrZaluli xom ar<br />
iqneba? ase xom ubani Caiketeba,<br />
adamiani veRar gaivlis, viwro<br />
quCaa da orive mxridan Tu lojiebi<br />
miaSenes, 90-ian wlebSi davbrundebiT,<br />
rodesac trotuarebi<br />
jixurebiT iyo mofenili.<br />
_ „meidan jgufi” am quCaze<br />
ramden obieqts amuSavebs?<br />
_ Cven ar vmuSaobT, arendatorebi<br />
varT. Cvens kontragentebs,<br />
anu im xalxs, visac daqiravebuli<br />
aqvs Cvengan farTebi,<br />
bevri ramis uflebas ar vaZlevT,<br />
rom quCebi ar daamaxinjon. Tumca<br />
arendatorebic gveubnebian,<br />
rom isini Tu akeTeben, CvenTvis<br />
ratom ar SeiZleba es lojiebio?<br />
jerjerobiT, kbilebiT gviWiravs<br />
da amis uflebas ar vaZlevT. adre<br />
Tu gvian, iZulebuli viqnebiT,<br />
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celofnebis qalaqSi aRmovCndebiT.<br />
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aqis istoriuli nawilis, konkr-<br />
etulad ki erTi quCis iersaxis<br />
„Seufereblobaze” vsaubrobT.<br />
am dros, Tvali rom gadaavloT<br />
im 38 kafis meijares...<br />
_ ara, yvela meijare ar aris,<br />
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_ mocemul momentSi amas<br />
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is damaxinjebaze. am dros fiz-<br />
ikurad gadarCenazea saubari.<br />
ari.<br />
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uli mainc SesTavazes im xalxs?<br />
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_ amitomac, ZiriTadad, gare-<br />
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bunebrivi airis Seyvana da a.<br />
S. restornebisa da kafeebis gakeTeba<br />
ar aris swori mimarTuleba,<br />
Torem celofnebiT „Seminuli”<br />
lojiebi erT-erTi sakiTxia.<br />
_ sakiTxi xom imas exeba, rom<br />
gareT saerTod ar unda iyos<br />
aseTi raRacebi gamotanili?<br />
_ gamotanili unda iyos mxolod<br />
is, rac lamazia. rac uSnoa<br />
da qalaqs iersaxes akarginebs,<br />
imas unda moveridoT. kidev<br />
erTxel gimeorebT: Cven vcdilobT,<br />
Cvens obieqtebs ar mivceT<br />
amis ufleba, rom sabolood ar<br />
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davamaxinjoT istoriuli quCa.<br />
Zalian cudi tendenciaa. ukacravad,<br />
magram ubani gabanZda maT<br />
gamo.<br />
_ anu, SeiZleba iTqvas, rom<br />
Tqven zrunavT qalaqis am nawilis<br />
iersaxeze, miuxedavad imi-<br />
sa, rom meria ar xarT, kerZo ko-<br />
mpania xarT?<br />
_ diax, Cven didi xania, amaze<br />
vzrunavT, sxvaTa Soris, ase, 10-<br />
15 weli. mand Tu rame gakeTda,<br />
Cven daviwyeT, Torem migdebuli<br />
ubani iyo, aravin aqcevda yuradRebas.<br />
me axla im adamianebisac<br />
mesmis, imitom rom ekonomikurad<br />
awvebaT es yvelaferi.<br />
_ diax. TiToeuli maTganis<br />
ukan ojaxi dgas da maT biujets<br />
urtyams.<br />
_ magram ar unda davauSnooT.<br />
rac unda uWirdes adamians, mas<br />
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Tavisi problemebi raRacis damaxinjebis<br />
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_ faqtia, rom „samezoblo”<br />
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Tad moqmedebs da garigebuli<br />
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jgufis” erToblivi proeqtia?<br />
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ijaraSi gadmogvca.<br />
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Tavis droze, marTla mzia wer-<br />
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Sexeba ar maqvs.<br />
`qronika+<br />
qronika+~ merias daukavSir-<br />
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Tvis moulodneli ar yofila?<br />
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mobrZandiT da gaaformeT<br />
eg Tqveni tenti, mxolod nu iqneba<br />
gadaxuruli. gamodgiT gareT<br />
kafe da analogiurad mogcemT<br />
nebarTvas. mainc arc erTma maTganma<br />
ar gaigo Zalian didi xani<br />
es ambavi. sxvaTa Soris, aqamde ar<br />
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icodnen. Zalian kargad icodnen.<br />
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gvexveweba, rTulad gasakeTebel<br />
liftebs yovelTvis Cven<br />
vakeTebT. ori wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
pirvel adgilzea Cveni<br />
organizacia da oqros reitingi<br />
gvaqvs. Cemi erTaderTi Txovnaa,<br />
rom xalxma icodes, me ar<br />
var TaRliTi, romelsac 58<br />
wlis muSaobis staJi maqvs, var<br />
5 Svilisa da 12 SviliSvilis<br />
patroni da 76 wlis asakSi gavxdi<br />
TaRliTi?! mJavanaZidan dawyebuli<br />
9 mTavroba gamovicvale,<br />
es meaTea da am asakSi gavxdi<br />
TaRliTi?!<br />
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kaxeTSi Zaladobis faqtebis<br />
rekorduli maCvenebelia!<br />
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maCvenebeli kaxeTSi gamovlinda.<br />
regionSi gamokiTxuli adamianebis<br />
92% ojaxSi Zaladobas,<br />
86% ki fizikur Zaladobas ganicdis;<br />
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yarajala: 16 wlis gogonam Tavi<br />
moikla. gavrcelebuli informaciiT,<br />
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aiZulebdnen;<br />
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wels dabadebul klavdia m.-sTan<br />
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da SantaJis gamoyenebiT<br />
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mkvleloba kaxeTSi: yvarlis<br />
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76 wlis qali gardacvlili ipoves.<br />
adgilobrivebis informaciiT,<br />
cxedari qvevrSi aRmoa-<br />
Cines.<br />
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gancxadebiT, momxdarze gamo-<br />
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108-e muxliT daiwyo, rac<br />
mkvlelobas gulisxmobs. sofel<br />
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ori dRis ganmavlobaSi eZebdnen.<br />
is pensioneri iyo da marto<br />
cxovrobda;<br />
sofeli winandali: yofilma<br />
qmarma 29 wlis meuRle eWvianobis<br />
niadagze Svilebis Tvalwin<br />
mokla.<br />
sanadiro TofiT Tavis are-<br />
Si miyenebuli WrilobiT qalbatoni<br />
adgilzeve gardaicvala.<br />
yofilma qmarma mas saxlis fanjridan<br />
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ris Semdegac Tavis mokvla scada;<br />
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ime sofeli: iq qalis genitaliebis<br />
dasaxiCrebis praqtika<br />
gamovlinda. amis Sesaxeb vrcel<br />
statias „omisa da mSvidobis<br />
gaSuqebis instituti” aqveynebs.<br />
avtori wers, rom gogonebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi winadacveTis<br />
procedura saxlSi tardeba.<br />
kans makratliT Wrian da Wrilobas<br />
xandaxan sufTa spirtiT<br />
wmenden. respondentebis ganmartebiT,<br />
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qalebi naklebad temperamentianebi<br />
arian da seqsualuri<br />
ltolva aRar aqvT.<br />
xSirad ismis argumenti, rom<br />
rTulia ojaxSi Zaladobis identificireba,<br />
radgan igi Caketil<br />
socialur wreSi xdeba,<br />
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didi xania, gascda Caketil sivrces.<br />
sazogadoebis gulgril<br />
damokidebulebasTan erTad<br />
mTavar gamowvevas dacvisa da<br />
daxmarebis RonisZiebebis araefeqtiani<br />
gamoyeneba warmoadgens.<br />
xSirad Zaladobis msxverpl<br />
qalTa dasacavad ar xdeba im<br />
meqanizmebis gamoyeneba, romelic<br />
kanoniT aris gaTvaliswinebuli<br />
da Sesabamisad, maTi Txovna<br />
daxmarebis Taobaze ugulebelyofili<br />
rCeba.<br />
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da mianc, ra xdeba kaxeTSi?!<br />
ra gvaqvs problema?<br />
naTia mequdiSvilma universiteti<br />
ramdenime welia, rac<br />
daamTavra, igi profesiiT iuristia.<br />
xSirad uwevs konsultaciebi<br />
rogorc qalebTan, aseve<br />
bavSvebTan. miaCnia, rom misi<br />
mTavari mowodeba samarTlianoba<br />
da kanonis uzenaesobis dacvaa.<br />
sxva misi kurseli gogonebisgan<br />
gansxvavebiT naTias kaxeT-<br />
Si bevri icnobs, Sesabamisad,<br />
misi telefonic ar Cerdeba.<br />
`kaci ibadeba da izrdeba im grZnobiT, rom<br />
qali sustia, is unda uyvardes da daicvas,<br />
Tumca is masze Zaladobs, ese igi ar uyvars,<br />
miaCnia, rom araa saWiro misi dacva. es niSnavs,<br />
rom mas qalis mimarT zizRi aqvs, zizRs ki<br />
qalis mimarT interesis dakargvamde mivyavarT,<br />
xolo interesis dakargva qalis mimarT, xSir<br />
SemTxvevaSi, seqsualuri gaukuRmarTebis bralia~<br />
„qronika+” naTia mequdiS-<br />
vils esaubreba:<br />
_ kaxeTis masStabiT xSiria<br />
Zaladobis faqtebi. ZiriTadad,<br />
mamrobiTi sqesis mier Zaladobis<br />
faqtebi ikveTeba. gasul<br />
kviras 29 wlis colis mkvlelobaSi<br />
braldebulma TviTmkvlelobis<br />
mcdelobiT scada<br />
danaSaulisTvis Tavis arideba.<br />
_ Tqveni azriT, ra iwvevs<br />
Zaladobas?<br />
_ mogismeniaT, albaT, mravali<br />
eqspertisa Tu fsiqologis<br />
msjeloba am Temaze, umravlesoba<br />
amas siRaribes ukavSirebs,<br />
_ ar aris ojaxSi saWiro Tanxe-<br />
naTia mequdiSvili<br />
bi, ar aris simSvide. magram es<br />
ase ar gaxlavT. Zaladoba fsiqologiuri<br />
aSlilobaa. rasakvirvelia,<br />
Zaladobis gamomJRavneba<br />
SesaZlebelia iyos ekonomiuri<br />
siduxWiris bralic,<br />
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mkvlelobamde, Tu TviTmkvlelobamde<br />
miyvana hqvia. Zaladobis<br />
survili adreul asak-<br />
Sive iRebs saTaves da mere, garkveuli<br />
mizezebis gamo, vlindeba.<br />
zustad ra mizezebi iwvevs<br />
am grZnobis gaRviZebas, RmerTma<br />
uwyis. saboloo jamSi, im daskvnamde<br />
mivdivarT, rom Zaladoba<br />
im adamians axasiaTebs,<br />
visac kargisa da cudis grCevis<br />
unari ar aqvs, visi socializaciac<br />
ar Sedga. am Temaze ar saubroben,<br />
Tumca ojaxuri Zaladobis<br />
dros, rodesac msxverpli<br />
colia da damnaSave meuRle,<br />
SesaZlebelia, adgili hqondes<br />
seqsualur gaukuRmarTebas.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ kaci ibadeba da izrdeba im<br />
grZnobiT, rom qali sustia, is<br />
unda uyvardes da daicvas, Tumca<br />
is masze Zaladobs, ese igi ar<br />
uyvars, miaCnia, rom araa saWiro<br />
misi dacva. es niSnavs, rom mas<br />
qalis mimarT zizRi aqvs, zizRs<br />
ki qalis mimarT interesis dakargvamde<br />
mivyavarT, xolo interesis<br />
dakargva qalis mimarT,<br />
xSir SemTxvevaSi, seqsualuri<br />
gaukuRmarTebis bralia.<br />
_ anu?<br />
_ seqsualur gaukuRmarTebamde<br />
SesaZlebelia mivyavdeT<br />
alkohols da narkotikul sa-<br />
Sualebebs. seqsualur gaukuR-<br />
marTebaSi igulisxmeba impotencia,<br />
rodesac kacs ar SeuZlia<br />
aRiaros misi nakli. moZalade<br />
mSobelTan gazrdili Svilebic,<br />
xSir SemTxvevaSi, moZaladeebad<br />
izrdebian. Zaladobas eWvianobas<br />
ar davukavSireb da calke<br />
ar gamovyof. eWvianobac ar-<br />
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rodesac sxvisi<br />
azri ufro mniSvnelovania.<br />
saqarTveloSi gvaqvs kanoni<br />
„ojaxSi Zaladobis aRkveTis,<br />
ojaxSi Zaladobis msxverplTa<br />
dacvisa da daxmarebis Sesaxeb”.<br />
am kanonSi mesame Tavs gamovyof,<br />
romelic Semakavebel orders<br />
eZRvneba. magaliTad, xar ojaxuri<br />
Zaladobis msxverpli, gamoiZaxe<br />
policia da policiam es<br />
saqme sasamarTlos gadasca, mosamarTlem<br />
Semakavebeli orderi<br />
gamosca da mere? mere araferi,<br />
aravin uzrunvelyofs Semakavebeli<br />
orderis moTxovnebis<br />
Sesrulebas braldebulis<br />
mier.<br />
2017 wlidan saqarTvelos<br />
kanonSi „ojaxSi Zaladobis aRkveTis,<br />
ojaxSi Zaladobis msxverplTa<br />
dacvisa da daxmarebis<br />
Sesaxeb” cvlileba Sedis, sadac<br />
ojaxuri Zaladobis dros municipalitetsac<br />
aqvs ukve Carevis<br />
ufleba. ra formiT da<br />
rogor, es, am droisTvis, ucnobia,<br />
Tumca ramdenad gaiTvaliswineben<br />
am cvlilebas kaxeTis<br />
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avaldebulebT, yvela sakrebuloSi<br />
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aRniSnuli sabWos magvari<br />
jer araferi arsad ar Seqmnila.<br />
mTavari kiTxva ki kvlav<br />
upasuxod rCeba: kanoni kanonieria?<br />
Tu samarTliani?<br />
sakrebulos deputati dav-<br />
iT TuSiSvili fiqrobs, rom<br />
kanonis axali CanaweriT Sesa-<br />
Zlebeli gaxdeba: „municipalitetis<br />
biujetSi gaiweros Sesabamisi<br />
programa prevenciis mizniT<br />
(an daafinanson arasamTavrobos<br />
programa ojaxuri Zaladobis<br />
prevenciis mizniT), mag.<br />
daafinanson Zaladobis msxverplTa<br />
TavSesafari, an maTTvis<br />
iuridiuli da fsiqologiuri<br />
konsultaciebi, aseve raime<br />
mcire sawarmo, romelic Tavs<br />
mouyris aseT adamianebs, SesTavazebs<br />
maT raime xelobis, an<br />
specialobis Seswavlas, Tan<br />
fsiqologiur daxmarebas gauwevs”.<br />
ra iqneba xval? rogori eqneba<br />
kaxeTs 2017 weli? amas ukve<br />
momavali gviCvenebs... mTavari<br />
mainc erTia, _ kaxeTSi qalebi<br />
daucvelebi arian!<br />
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saxleobas faruli Tu Ria dapirispirebiT, fasebis matebiTa<br />
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gvanca ToTaZe _ arasamTavrobo<br />
organizacia „TaobaTa dia-<br />
logi”:<br />
_ 2016 wlis ganmavlobaSi ZiriTadi<br />
aqcentebi gakeTda winasaarCevno<br />
procesebze. yuradReba<br />
gadatanili iyo im RonisZiebebze,<br />
romlebic kargad JRerda.<br />
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ki mogvdioda, magram dasrulda<br />
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gadawyvetilebebis miRebis procesSi<br />
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garkveuli raodenoba peticiis<br />
saSualebiTac iTxovda Se-<br />
Cerebuliyo mSenebloba, qalaqis<br />
merma Zalian martivad gaatara es<br />
moTxovna politikur WrilSi. es<br />
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meti profesionali moxvdes<br />
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da metad gaizardos da<br />
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viqnebi da 10-baliani sistemidan<br />
adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
saqmianobas 8 quliT<br />
Sevafaseb.<br />
nugzar koxreiZe _ arasam-<br />
Tavrobo organizacia „TaobaTa<br />
dialogi”:<br />
_ 2016 wels, rogorc iqna, ekonomikuri<br />
ganviTarebis strategiis<br />
dokumenti SemuSavda. nebismier<br />
SemTxvevaSi es aris dadebi-<br />
Ti movlena. arCevnebis dros bevri<br />
iyo diskusia parlamentis gadatana-argadatanaze,<br />
gakeTda<br />
roca TviTneburi miSenebebi Tu<br />
gadaRebvis procesi mindinareobs.<br />
SesaZlebelia, es nebarTvis gacemiTac<br />
xdebodes. aseT SemTxveva-<br />
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samsaxuris arakvalificiur<br />
midgomasTan da ugemovnobasTan.<br />
qalaqs mizanmimarTulad vamaxinjebT.<br />
sasaciloa is, rom am dros<br />
vsaubrobT turizmis ganviTarebaze.<br />
Cven ver gavakvirvebT verc<br />
evropel Tu sxva qveynebis turistebs<br />
Tanamedrove SenobebiT,<br />
rac, gulaxdilad rom vTqvaT,<br />
arc ki gvaqvs. magram riTac SegviZlia<br />
maTi yuradReba miviqcioT,<br />
es aris siZvele, romelic am<br />
qalaqSi aris, magram mouvlelobisa<br />
da Sesabamisi nebis ararsebobis<br />
gamo, ar Cans.<br />
ukmayofilebis sagania aseve is<br />
Sedegi, rac arCevnebis Semdeg<br />
miviReT. TiTqmis 2 Tve gavida da<br />
maJoritarebis mxridan raime aqtivobebs<br />
ver vxedavT.<br />
_ am pretenziis adresati vin<br />
ise gakeTdes, rom igi mosaxleobis<br />
mdgomareobas ar auaresebdes.<br />
amis kargi magaliTia nikeas quCaze<br />
gamyofi zolis erTi nawili,<br />
romelic ise gakeTda, rom am mokle<br />
xanSi bevri avtosagzao SemTxveva<br />
gamoiwvia.<br />
yvelaze did ukmayofilebas<br />
mainc iwvevs sazogadoebis indiferentuloba<br />
qalaqSi mimdinare<br />
procesebis mimarT. Tundac kafebar<br />
„argos” Tema, roca 11-ma<br />
organizaciam seriozuli aqtivobebi<br />
ganaxorciela. aqve unda<br />
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rac xdeboda da, samwuxarod,<br />
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kliSeebis miniWebasTan dakav-<br />
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gansxvavebuli pozicia aqvT.<br />
aseve miuRebelia meriis pasuxebi<br />
konkretuli politikosebisa Tu<br />
rigiTi moqalaqeebis misamarTiT.<br />
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marTali ar iyos, magram mTavaria,<br />
xelisufleba rogor upasux-<br />
`adgilobrivi xelisufleba ise<br />
ver saqmianobs, rogorc saWiroa.<br />
es aris susti menejmentis brali,<br />
an Caketili sivrce. menejmenti<br />
yvelaze ki ar xorcildeba,<br />
aramed mxolod garkveul<br />
adamianebze, romlebic raRacas<br />
wyveten. danarCeni ki am<br />
procesSi CarTuli ar aris da,<br />
Sesabamisad, arc aravin<br />
iTvaliswinebs maT azrs~<br />
bulobT da verc socialuri qselebis<br />
meSveobiT. RonisZiebebis<br />
masStaburobac Semcirda.<br />
_ rogor fiqrobT, qalaqSi<br />
raime saxis masStaburi samuSaoebi<br />
aRar xorcieldeba Tu pi-<br />
aria susti?<br />
_ yoveli SemTxvevisTvis, ise-<br />
Ti raodenobiT ara, rac arCevnebamde<br />
xdeboda. SesaZlebelia,<br />
raRac kidev keTdeba damatebiT<br />
da Cven ver vgebulobT, an araferia<br />
gasaSuqebeli. ase rom, me<br />
2016 wels Sevafasebdi mainc ufro<br />
arCevnebze orientirebulad.<br />
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ganxorcielebul romel pro-<br />
eqts gamohyofdiT?<br />
_ turistuli centri Sendeba,<br />
Tumca es mainc samomavlo proeqtia.<br />
_ ra aris is, rac ar mogwonT<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis saqmiano-<br />
bidan?<br />
_ rac CemTvis mtkivneulia da<br />
protestis grZnobas iwvevs sazogadoebaSic,<br />
aris is, rom skverebSi<br />
mSeneblobebi mimdinareobs.<br />
aseve gamovyofdi samefo kompleqs<br />
„oqros Cardaxis” gverdiT kafe-bar<br />
„argos” mSeneblobas, romelic<br />
kanonis darRveviT xor-<br />
Rac politikuri partiis mar-<br />
Tul procesad.<br />
10-baliani sistemidan qalaqis<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis saqmianobas 4-<br />
s davuwerdi.<br />
maTe CafiCaZe _ „momavlis gan-<br />
viTarebis saxli”:<br />
_ mimdinare wlis ganmavloba-<br />
Si qalaqSi sakmaod bevri ram gakeTda.<br />
pirvel rigSi gamovyofdi<br />
dasufTavebasTan dakavSirebul<br />
sakiTxs. aseve mniSvnelovani yuradReba<br />
gamaxvilda iersaxis mimarTulebiTac.<br />
_ konkretul proeqts Tu<br />
gamohyofdiT?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi, es aris qalaqis<br />
centraluri nawilis mowesrigeba,<br />
ganaTebis sakiTxi. sasiamovnoa,<br />
rom turistebisTvis skverSi<br />
e. w. mzis batarea daidga, sadac<br />
maT SesaZlebloba aqvT, internetiT<br />
isargeblon da Tavian-<br />
Ti eleqtronuli mowyobilobebi<br />
damuxton.<br />
_ rac Seexeba SeniSvnebs? mo-<br />
saxleoba bevr kiTxvas svams.<br />
_ bevri kiTxva ismis administraciuli<br />
organoebis formirebasTan,<br />
dasaqmebul kadrebTan<br />
da maT kvalifikaciasTan dakav-<br />
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ar ganixileba, rac, garkveulwilad,<br />
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_ sityva „jer” gaZlevT kmay-<br />
ofilebis saSualebas?<br />
_ bunebrivia, ara, magram amiT<br />
SegviZlia, procesebi gavagrZeloT<br />
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es Tema. aseve ver vxedav<br />
sauniversiteto qalaqis ganxorcielebis<br />
perspeqtivebs. mniSvnelovania,<br />
rom Sida gzebis mowesrigebis<br />
sakiTxi daiZra. mimdinare<br />
wels Cemi quCac gakeTda,<br />
romelic 25 weli iyo mouwesrigebeli.<br />
mainc vfiqrob, rom adgilobrivi<br />
xelisufleba ise ver<br />
saqmianobs, rogorc saWiroa.<br />
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an Caketili sivrce. menejmenti<br />
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romlebic raRacas wyveten.<br />
danarCeni ki am procesSi Car-<br />
Tuli ar aris da, Sesabamisad, arc<br />
aravin iTvaliswinebs maT azrs.<br />
samwuxaroa, rom dRemde ar mogvarda<br />
is sakiTxi, romelzedac<br />
arasamTavrobo seqtori wlebia,<br />
saubrobs. es Seexeba Senobebis<br />
iersaxes. grZeldeba procesebi,<br />
aris, _ mosaxleoba Tu TviTmma-<br />
rTveloba, romelic, oponentT-<br />
Ta azriT, zedmetad Caeria pro-<br />
cesebSi?<br />
_ ar minda davmalo, rasac vfiqrob.<br />
cudad meniSna qalaqis meris<br />
pirdapiri Careva am procesSi.<br />
es araswori nabiji iyo. ar Sei-<br />
Zleba, sazogadoebas uTxra, rom<br />
Tu eseni ara, maSin me veravisTan<br />
viTanamSromlebo. adgilobrivi<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis specifika amas<br />
ar cnobs.<br />
mosaxleobis ukmayofilebas<br />
iwvevs isic, rom arasodes araferi<br />
ar keTdeba da sruldeba Tavis<br />
droze. yovelTvis ismis axsnaganmartebebi.<br />
me amaSi vxedav dagegmarebis,<br />
monitoringisa da,<br />
zogadad, menejmentis problemebs.<br />
satendero monawileobebi<br />
gadasaxedia.<br />
_ tenderis Sedegebi raime<br />
eWvis sababs iwvevs?<br />
_ samwuxarod, am Temebze detalurad<br />
ar mimuSavia, magram<br />
arian adamianebi, romlebic acxadeben,<br />
rom am kompaniis ukan viRac<br />
dgas, im kompaniis ukan _ viRac<br />
da ase Semdeg. zogjer aseTi<br />
xmebi umizezod ar vrceldeba.<br />
mniSvnelovania, rom rac keTdeba<br />
ebs. xSir SemTxvevaSi pasuxebi<br />
damcinavi da ironiulia. meria emsaxureba<br />
yvelas! aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
valdebuli varT, swori adamianebi<br />
SevarCioT momdevno ar-<br />
Cevnebze. meria Sesabamisi kadrebiT<br />
unda dakompleqtdes.<br />
mikvirs, roca mers uxaria, rom<br />
iq dasaqmebulTa raodenoba Semcirdeba.<br />
aseTi gancxadeba Seuracxyofaa<br />
im adamianebisa, romlebic<br />
e. w. optimizaciis procesSi<br />
moxvdebian. Tu Sen migaCnda,<br />
rom dRes SesaZlebelia qamrebis<br />
moWera da ufro naklebi xalxiT<br />
Sedegebis dadeba, e. i. es guSinac<br />
SesaZlebeli iyo. swored aseT pirobebSi<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis saqmianobas,<br />
bonusis saxiT, 10-baliani<br />
sistemidan 6 quliT Sevafasebdiirina<br />
makariZe _ „axali gaze-<br />
Ti”:<br />
_ yvelaze mniSvnelovani quTaisisTvis<br />
iyo „qarTuli ocnebis”<br />
piroba, rom parlamenti qalaqidan<br />
ar gadava. aris proeqtebi,<br />
romlebsac TviTmmarTveloba axorcielebs.<br />
SesaZlebelia, bevr<br />
maTganTan dakavSirebiT Sedegi<br />
jer ar Cans. aseTia, magaliTad,<br />
wylis sistemis reabilitaciis sa-<br />
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TviTmmarTvelobas afasebs<br />
kiTxi. aq ar yofila mniSvnelovani<br />
Cavardna, Tumca Seferxebebi<br />
rom aris, meria Tavadac aRiarebs.<br />
magaliTad asaTianis quCa vera da<br />
ver dasrulda.<br />
_ Tqvenc araerTxel gagiSuqebiaT<br />
mosaxleobis ukmayof-<br />
ileba imis Sesaxeb, rom gzebi<br />
jer daigo da Semdeg miwisqveSa<br />
komunikaciebis gamocvlis gamo<br />
gadaiTxara.<br />
_ amis Sesaxeb bevrjer davwereT,<br />
magram gvpasuxoben, rom samuSaoebs<br />
sxvadasxva kompania asrulebs<br />
da erTi organizacia ar<br />
gegmavs. male kanalizaciis reabilitaciis<br />
proeqti daiwyeba. es<br />
imas niSnavs, rom gzebi kidev gadaiTxreba.<br />
is, ris gasakeTebladac<br />
saxsrebi daixarja, Tavidan<br />
iqneba gasakeTebeli. Tumca Tavs<br />
imarTleben, rom ar icodnen,<br />
Tuki msoflio banki Tanxas gamohyofda<br />
kanalizaciis sistemis gamosacvlelad.<br />
raRac Caketili<br />
wrea. realuri TviTmmarTveloba<br />
ar arsebobs. centridan miRebul<br />
Tanxebze arian damokidebulebi<br />
da, amdenad, arc SesaZlebloba da<br />
arc ufleba aqvT, Tavad dagegmon<br />
da gansazRvron prioritetebi.<br />
damkvidrdda mosazreba, rom<br />
sakrebulo mxolod notariusis<br />
movaleobas asrulebs da uproblemod<br />
amtikicebs im proeqtebs,<br />
rasac meria Seitans. xSirad meria<br />
cdilobs, fuli ar dakargos da<br />
aiTvisos. amis magaliTia is, rom<br />
gasul wels zamTarSi Tamar mefis<br />
quCis gakeTeba daiwyes. am<br />
SemTxvevaSi, ubralod, gaumarTlaT,<br />
rom kargi amindebi iyo.<br />
aucileblad unda Sevexo sazogadoebrivi<br />
transportis sakiTxs.<br />
am mxriv didi minusia quTaisSi,<br />
radgan procesi TviTdinebazea<br />
miSvebuli. saRamos saaTeb-<br />
Si mosaxleobas centridan gareubnebSi<br />
gadaadgileba uWirs. xSiria,<br />
roca SebindebisTanave wydeba<br />
moZraoba da xSirad es mZRolebis<br />
neba-survilzea damokidebuli.<br />
TviTmmarTvelobas 10 qulidan 7-<br />
s mivaniWebdi.<br />
qeTi berZeniSvili _ radio<br />
„Zveli qalaqi”:<br />
_ yvela qalaqis TviTmmarTveloba<br />
da, maT Soris, quTaisis,<br />
`batonma merma samoqalaqo sazogadoebas yuri ar daugdo da Cveni<br />
gadawyvetilebebis miRebis procesSi CarTvis survili ugulebelyo.<br />
miuxedvad imisa, rom mosaxleobis garkveuli raodenoba peticiis<br />
saSualebiTac iTxovda SeCerebuliyo mSenebloba, qalaqis merma Zalian<br />
martivad gaatara es moTxovna politikur WrilSi. es iyo yvelaze cudi<br />
faqti, rac gasul wels moxda. gansxvavebuli mosazrebis gamoTqma,<br />
samwuxarod, avtomaturad aRiqmeba romeliRac politikuri partiis<br />
marTul procesad~<br />
arCevnebSi CarTuli iyo. marTalia,<br />
aradeklarirebulad, magram<br />
mainc daixarja Tanxebis garkveuli<br />
nawili im winasaarCevno propagandisTvis,<br />
romelic sjobda,<br />
sxva mimarTulebiT gadanawilebuli.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom qalaqSi<br />
ramdenime msxvili proeqti<br />
ganxorcielda, rogoricaa nikeas<br />
quCis reabilitacia, ramac konkretuli<br />
adamianebis kmayofileba<br />
gamoiwvia, iseTi procesebis momswrenic<br />
gavxdiT, romelic uSualod<br />
meriisa da misi keTili nebiT<br />
xorcieldeboda. am konkretul<br />
SemTxvevaSi vgulisxmob<br />
samefo kompleqsis gverdiT kafe<br />
„argos” mSeneblobas kulturuli<br />
memkvidreobis Sesaxeb kanonis uxeSi<br />
darRveviT.<br />
mniSvnelovania, rom socialuri<br />
proeqtebis farglebSi, ri-<br />
daviT dvali da SoTa murRulia<br />
sTvisac adgilobriv biujetSi<br />
saxsrebi iyo gaTvaliswinebuli,<br />
adamianebma miiRes daxmareba, magram<br />
bevri pirovneba daxmarebis<br />
miRma darCa.<br />
qalaqSi, jer kidev, 2015 wels<br />
daiwyo socialuri saxlis mSenebloba.<br />
Tavidan iTqva, rom 100<br />
ojaxi dakmayofildeboda, Semdeg<br />
cifri Seicvala da iTqva 70,<br />
xolo amJamad saubaria 40 ojaxze.<br />
ra Tqma unda es kiTxvis niSnebs<br />
aCens, magram is, rom Sendeba da<br />
procesi daiZra, ukve kargia. Tumca,<br />
jerjerobiT, ucnobia, komisia<br />
ra kriteriumebiT SearCevs<br />
beneficiarebs.<br />
_ dRes bevrs saubroben qu-<br />
Taisis funqciaze. ra gakeTdda<br />
2016 wels imisTvis, rom Camov-<br />
yalibdeT, saiT midis qalaqi?<br />
_ quTaisze Zalian beri fun-<br />
qciis morgebas apirebdnen. es iyo<br />
saganmanaTleblo da a. S. pirvel<br />
rigSi, quTaiss aqvs saparlamento<br />
dedaqalaqis funqcia, rac unda<br />
SenarCundes.<br />
is rom sauniversiteto qalaqi<br />
unda aSendes, es aris grZelvadiani<br />
perspeqtiva. sakiTxavia, saer-<br />
Tod ganxorcieldeba Tu ara es<br />
idea? winasaarCevnod teritriis<br />
dasufTavebis aqciac daiwyo, magram<br />
samuSaoebi iqve SeCerda. ise,<br />
unda aRvniSnoT, rom teritoria<br />
qalaqs ar ekuTvnis da iq Tu rame<br />
aSendeba, es quTaisisTvis ar iqneba.<br />
qalaqis biujetSi amis dadebiTi<br />
mxare meeWveba, gamoCndes.<br />
adgilobrivi xelisufleba<br />
arasamTavrobo seqtorTan da sazogadoebis<br />
aqtiur nawilTan er-<br />
Tad unda dajdes da moifiqros,<br />
saparlamento statustTan erTad<br />
kidev ra damatebiTi funqciis<br />
mofiqreba SeiZleba qalaqisTvis.<br />
bevrs saubroben turizmis aRorZinebaze,<br />
magram dargis ganvi-<br />
Tareba ar xdeba ise, Tu mas Sesabamisi<br />
procesebi ar axlavs.<br />
_ TviTmmarTveloba acxadebs,<br />
rom igi samoqalaqo sazo-<br />
gadoebasTan TanamSromlobs.<br />
namdvilad asea?<br />
_ samoqalaqo sazogadoebasTan<br />
urTierToba mxolod imiT Tu<br />
Semoifargleba, rom mas garkveuli<br />
samuSaoebis ganxorcielebis<br />
Sesaxeb angariSs abareben,<br />
rac ara mgonia, swori iyos. namdvilad<br />
iwveven arasamTavrobo organizaciebs<br />
proeqtebis ganxilvaze,<br />
magram Zalian naklebad iTvaliswineben<br />
vinmes azrs. sazogadoebasac<br />
nihilizmi eufleba da<br />
acxadebs, ratom miviRo monawileobao?<br />
aRsaniSnavia dasaqmebuli<br />
adamianebis kompetenciis Sesaxebac.<br />
ra Tqma unda, arian profesionalebi,<br />
magram ufro qveda<br />
rgolebSi. eWvis Setana ar Semi-<br />
Zlia vice-merebis kompetenciaSi,<br />
magram mainc miCndeba eWvi, rom<br />
isinic imas asruleben, rac vertikalidan<br />
modis. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
rogorc mediis warmomadgeneli<br />
da rogorc rigiTi moqalaqe,<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis mier<br />
gaweul saqmianobas dadebiTad namdvilad<br />
ver Sevafaseb da 10-<br />
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qulas gavimeteb.<br />
Cveni respondentebis SefasebebiT<br />
Tu vimsjelebT, quTaisis<br />
adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
saqmianoba, jer kidev, Sorsaa im<br />
niSnulidan, rac misi pirdapiri<br />
movaleobis efeqtianobas gansazRvravs.<br />
gacilebiT mkacria sazogadoebis<br />
is nawili, romelTa<br />
SromiTi anazRaureba gazrdili<br />
fasebis pirobebSi minimumamdec<br />
ki ver akmayofilebs im moTxovnebs,<br />
rac maTi ojaxebisTvisaa<br />
aucilebeli. savaraudod, swored<br />
momavali wlis pirveli naxevari<br />
gansazRvravs imas, Tu ra gadawyvetilebas<br />
miiRebs mosaxleoba<br />
adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
arCevnebSi da SeinarCunebs Tu<br />
ara arsebuli xelisufleba qalaqis<br />
marTvis sadaveebs?<br />
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mogaxsenebT: 2010 wlis zafxulSi gazeT<br />
„sityva da saqmidan” Sevityve, rom veraze<br />
mSenebare korpusSi iyideboda 70 kv.m. bina, 1<br />
kv.m.-s fasi 700 aSS dolari. Cemma megobarma<br />
gazeTSi miTiTebul nomerze detalebis<br />
gasarkvevad dareka.<br />
saqarTveloSi Cemi aryofnis gamo miTiTebuli<br />
farTis SesaZenad, Cemi TxovniT, Cemma<br />
megobrama manana qardavam bes saxiT 1000 aSS<br />
dolari samSeneblo kompania „milagos” direqtors,<br />
giorgi kurcxalias gadasca. 2010<br />
wlis 30 agvistos saqarTveloSi Camovedi da<br />
giorgi kurcxaliasTan notariusSi xelSekruleba<br />
gavaforme uZravi qonebis nasyidobasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, romlis Tanaxmadac me<br />
giorgi kurcxaliasTan SeviZine q. TbilisSi,<br />
TarxniSvilis Cixi #9-Si mSenebare korpus-<br />
Si, me-5 sarTulze 70 kv.m. bina (TeTri karkasi).<br />
sanacvlod mas gadaveci 48000 aSS dolari,<br />
miuxedavad xelSekrulebaSi miTiTebuli<br />
31500 aSS dolarisa, rac xelSekrulebaSi<br />
Caiwera giorgi kurcxalias TxovniT.<br />
giorgi kurcxaliasTvis Tanxis gadacemis<br />
dros me Tan maxlda Cemi megobari manana qardava.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom korpusi eqspluataciaSi<br />
Cabarda, CemTvis gamoyofil binaSi sxva<br />
cxovrobs, riTac giorgi kurcxaliam zarali<br />
momayena 49000 aSS dolaris odenobiT.<br />
minda aRvniSni, rom me var soxumeli _ er-<br />
Txel ukve usaxlkarod darCenili yvelasTvis<br />
cnbili movlenebis gamo. imisTvis, rom<br />
sakuTari bina mqonoda, Cemi cxovrebis 10 saukeTeso<br />
weliwadi ucxoeTSi vimuSave. saqarTveloSi<br />
2014 wlis dekemberSi davbrundi<br />
da am droidan vcdilob am problemis mogvarebas.<br />
giorgi kurcxaliasTan Sexvedra 3-<br />
jer movaxerxe misi vaJiSvilis, sandro kurcxalias<br />
daxmarebiT. dapirebebi, dapirebebi,<br />
dapirebebi. ase grZeldeboda zafxulamde.<br />
mTeli es periodi sandro kurcxalia (g.<br />
kurcxalias Svili) binas xan sad mpirdeboda,<br />
xan _ sad, anu damcinoda, zafxulidan ki<br />
saerTod ver vukavSirdebodi. vecade, es<br />
problema nacnobebis daxmarebiT momegvarebina<br />
_ vin ar mivida maTTan Cemi TxovniT. dapirebebi<br />
dapirebebad rCeba.<br />
giorgi kurcxalias mama, batoni aleqsandre<br />
kurcxalia, Svilis saqmeebSi ar ereva,<br />
Tumca vici, rom binaTmSenebloba TarxniSvilis<br />
Cixi 7-9-Si man daasrula.<br />
2016 wlis agvistos bolos Zveli Tbilisis<br />
raionul prokuraturaSi gancxadeba Sevitane,<br />
sadac viTxovdi, miTiTebuli faqti<br />
gamoeZiebinaT. mimdinare wlis 2 dekembers<br />
prokuraturis daskvna miviRe, rom es faqti<br />
ar Seicavs sisxlis samarTlis kodeqsiT ga-<br />
Tvaliswinebul danaSaulis niSnebs.<br />
samoqalaqo davas ki azri ar aqvs, radgan<br />
giorgi kurcxalias saxelze saqarTvelos<br />
teritoriaze piradi qoneba ar fiqsirdeba.<br />
Tqveni gazeTis saSualebiT, rogorc saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqem, minda mivmarTo saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebas, samarTaldamcvel<br />
organoebs, arasamTavrobo organizaciebs,<br />
televiziis sxvadasxva arxs, yvelas, yvelas,<br />
visac SeuZlia, damexmaros, dainteresdes am<br />
faqtiT.<br />
me var SromiTi migranti, romelic samSobloSi<br />
dasamkvidreblad davbrundi.<br />
saqarTvelos mTavroba bevrs laparakobs<br />
mkiTxvelis<br />
werili<br />
migrantebis samSobloSi damkvidrebis programaze.<br />
me, rogorc moqalaqe, Tavs vgrZnob<br />
sruliad daucvelad. am situaciidan gamosavals<br />
martodmarto ver vpoulob.<br />
gTxovT, damexmaroT!<br />
mayvala jomidava.<br />
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Ta kavSiris, mexorbleTa asociaciisa<br />
da arasamTavrobo seqtoris<br />
warmomadgenlebi eswrebodnen.<br />
Sexvedra „bomond gardenSi”<br />
evrokavSiris yovlismomcveli instituciuri<br />
ganviTarebis proeqtis<br />
mxardaWeriT Catarda.<br />
sursaTis erovnuli saagento<br />
purisa da purproduqtebis biznesoperatorebis<br />
kontrols ganagr-<br />
Zobs da momxmarebels mouwodebs,<br />
darRvevis aRmoCenis SemTxvevaSi<br />
daukavSirdes soflis meurneobis<br />
saministros sainformacio samsaxurs<br />
nomerze 15-01.<br />
„qronika+”-s esaubreba „saqarTvelos<br />
momxmarebelTa fed-<br />
eraciis” xelmZRvaneli, madona<br />
koiZe:<br />
_ arsebobs miTqma-moTqma Wvavis<br />
puris gayidvasTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
saqarTvelos kanonmdeblobiT, momxmarebels<br />
ufleba aqvs, nebismieri<br />
produqciis Sesaxeb srulyofili<br />
informacia miiRos da mxolod<br />
amis Semdeg gaakeTos gaazrebuli<br />
arCevani.<br />
realurad, Cven gvaqvs problemebi<br />
da amis Sesaxeb sazogadoeba<br />
Riad saubrobs. problema marto is<br />
ar aris, rom adamianebi arCevans<br />
sworad ver akeTeben, aRniSnuli<br />
problema SeiZleba, momxmareblis<br />
janmrTelobazec aisaxos. anu imas<br />
vgulisxmobT, rom Tuki Wvavis<br />
puri Seferilia (TeTri puris saxiT<br />
SeRebilia) da momxmarebels<br />
sakvebdanamatebis Sesaxeb saTanado<br />
informacia ar gaaCnia (xolo misi<br />
janmrTelobisTvis savaldebulo<br />
iyos ara TeTris, aramed Wvavis<br />
puris miReba), am SemTxvevaSi Sei-<br />
Zleba, momxmareblis janmrTelobas<br />
safrTxe daemuqros.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, savaldebuloa<br />
gaviTvaliswinoT, rom momxmarebeli<br />
srulyofilad informirebuli<br />
iyos da man gaakeTos Tavisufali<br />
arCevani; meore: misi<br />
janmrTeloba daculi iyos; da mesame:<br />
momxmarebelma ar miiRos<br />
ekonomikuri zarali.<br />
moqalaqes ufleba aqvs icodes,<br />
ras yidulobs da risTvis ixdis<br />
fuls, amitom etiketirebis Sesaxeb<br />
kanoni unda gamkacrdes, raTa<br />
adamiani ar motyuvdes da miiRos<br />
is deklarirebuli informacia,<br />
romelic mis SigTavss Seesabameba,<br />
anu yvela ingredienti, romelic<br />
produqtSi gamoyenebuli iqneba,<br />
etiketze aisaxos.<br />
es procesi ukve dawyebulia da<br />
etapobrivad mimdinareobs. Cven<br />
analogiuri gamowvevebi rZis produqtebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT gvqonda,<br />
magram gatarebuli RonisZiebebis<br />
Semdeg fasebi ar Secvlila. amas<br />
biznesasociaciebis warmomadgenlebi<br />
erT-erTi argumentiT ewinaa-<br />
Rmdegebodnen, rom es SeiZleboda<br />
fasnamatze asaxuliyo, produqcia<br />
gaZvirebuliyo da dargi ver ganviTarebuliyo,<br />
magram dargi Cveulebrivad<br />
ganviTarda... oRond ise-<br />
Ti cvlileba moxda, rom dRes<br />
qveyanaSi Zalian bevrma sawarmom<br />
uari Tqva msgavsi produqciis warmoebaze.<br />
srulad gadavidnen etiketTan<br />
mimarTebiT jansaRi da<br />
xarisxiani produqtis warmoebaze<br />
`momxmareblis interesebis dacva<br />
da biznesoperatorebis<br />
informirebulobis gazrda<br />
saagentos prioritetebia.<br />
Sesabamisad, saagento aqtiurad<br />
TanamSromlobs biznesseqtorTan<br />
da maT periodulad miewodebaT<br />
informacia uvneblobis<br />
standartebis savaldebulo<br />
moTxovnebze. paralelurad,<br />
momxmareblis uflebebisa da<br />
janmrTelobis dacvis mizniT,<br />
saagento ganagrZobs<br />
samomxmareblo bazris<br />
kontrols~<br />
da isini momxmarebels ar atyueben.<br />
sadReisod rZis produqtis etiketze<br />
miTiTebuli informacia Sig-<br />
Tavss Seesabameba.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, aRniSnul<br />
sferoSi momxmarebeli daculia.<br />
meore etapi is aris, rom Cven pur-<br />
Tan mimarTebiTac igives gakeTebas<br />
da arsebuli bazris dalagebas<br />
vcdilobT. Sedegad, momxmarebeli<br />
am sferoSic daculi iqneba.<br />
etapobrivad xorcproduqteb-<br />
Tan dakavSirebiT igive xdeba da<br />
xorcis etiketirebac igegmeba.<br />
es yvelaferi imisTvis keTdeba,<br />
rom qveyanaSi arsebobdes jansaRi,<br />
konkurentunariani garemo, sadac<br />
biznesic da momxmarebelic daculi<br />
iqneba, raTa ar motyuvdes arc<br />
biznesi da arc momxmarebeli.<br />
Cvens qveyanaSi jansaRi, konkurentunariani<br />
garemos arsebobiT<br />
orive mxare mogebuli iqneba, amitom<br />
es Zalian kargi wamowyebaa da,<br />
rasakvirvelia, orive xeliT mivesalmebi<br />
da mxars vuWer.<br />
_ Wvavis puri axseneT. mainc,<br />
ramdenad xSiria misi am saxiT<br />
gasaReba?<br />
_ socialur qselSi Zalian<br />
xSirad gavrcelebula msgavsi suraTebi<br />
da kadrebi, amis iniciatori<br />
TviTon momxmarebeli aris<br />
xolme. amitom etiketirebis gamkacreba<br />
ukve sazogadoebis maRalma<br />
samomxmareblo donem moiTxova.<br />
ufro sworad, gamkacreba cudi<br />
da SeiZleba SecdomaSi Semyvani<br />
sityvac ki iyos. realurad,<br />
es aris etiketirebis<br />
srulyofaSi moyvana.<br />
biznesoperatorma<br />
momxmarebels<br />
rom ar unda moatyuos,<br />
es gamkacreba<br />
ar aris, es aris<br />
valdebuleba da,<br />
faqtobrivad, biznesis<br />
ganviTarebis<br />
madonia koiZe<br />
erT-erTi berketia.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, Tuki iarsebebs<br />
iseTi produqti, rogoric<br />
dRemde arsebobda, es ukve problemas<br />
Seqmnis, magaliTad, weria,<br />
0%-is, safuvris gareSe puri da a.<br />
S., xSir SemTxvevaSi, es simarTles<br />
ar Seesabameba. msgavi SemTxvevebi<br />
namdvilad aris, magram xSirad,<br />
amas, ubralod, sareklamod gamoiyeneben<br />
xolme.<br />
an rogorc aRvniSneT, aweria,<br />
rom Wvavis puria da, realurad,<br />
sxvadasxva tipis saRebaviT SeRebili,<br />
TeTri fqvilisgan damzadebuli<br />
puri da sakvebdanamatebia,<br />
romelic gemovnur Tvisebebs cvlis<br />
da momxmarebeli SecdomaSi<br />
Sehyavs. momxmarebels hgonia, rom<br />
yidulobs Wvavis purs da, sinamdvileSi,<br />
Cveulebrivad Seferil,<br />
sakvebdnamatebiT gajerebul<br />
TeTr purs yidulobs, ris Sesaxebac<br />
is informirebuli ar aris.<br />
Tan am gziT dargi ar viTardeba.<br />
qveyanaSi Wvavis puris arsebobac<br />
riskis qveS dgas, radgan Zalian<br />
cota raodenobiT Semodis.<br />
qarTveli adamiani ki namdvilad<br />
imis Rirsia, rom aq mravalferovneba<br />
arsebobdes. saubaria sxvadasxva<br />
gemovnur Tvisebebze, rac Wvavis<br />
purs aqvs, igive TeTr purs,<br />
sxvadasxva xarisxisa da teqnologiiT<br />
damzadebul purs, _ aRniSnuli<br />
asortimenti srulyofili<br />
unda iyos.<br />
es yvelaferi unda keTdebodes<br />
puris sxvadasxva teqnologiiTa<br />
da fqvilis gamoyenebiT<br />
da ara raRac sakvebdanamatebisa<br />
da momxmareblis<br />
motyuebis<br />
xarjze. droa, es sferoc<br />
srulad movawesrigoT,<br />
Cveni moqalaqeebi<br />
amas namdvilad<br />
imsaxureben.<br />
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axla vixseneb yvelafer imas,<br />
rac arc arasodes damviwyebia.<br />
mravali wlis win sadarbazodan<br />
xmauri momesma. kari gamovaRe,<br />
patara ninia kakabaZe megobrebs<br />
acilebda. erTi aliaqoTi hqondaT.<br />
iseTi sasaciloebi iyvnen,<br />
iseTi lamazebi, kari ver mivxure,<br />
videqi da vuyurebdi. am<br />
aurzaurs patara gogo gamoeyo,<br />
gverdiT Camiqrola. amoCaCuli<br />
TeTri perangi, CamorRveuli<br />
Savi bolokaba, muxlze gadaglejili<br />
getri da sirbilisgan<br />
awiTlebuli loyebi kidev ufro<br />
sayvarels xdida. Camiqrola,<br />
Sevarda Cems saxlSi, uceb<br />
Semoirbina mTeli oTaxi. mere<br />
sirbiliTve dabrunda ukan, er-<br />
Ti wamiT Semobrunda, saCvenebeli<br />
TiTi damiqnia da damibara:<br />
„me isev moval, Seni oTaxi momewona,<br />
es Cemi saTamaSo saxli<br />
iqneba”. quCidan yvela erTad<br />
yviroda, _ Jora! Joraaa!<br />
ase Semovida Cems cxovreba-<br />
Si „Jora” _ irine Jordania.<br />
mere mwyobrSi dawyobili jariskacebiviT,<br />
nel-nela Semodiodnen<br />
Cems yofaSi irines mama _<br />
gizo Jordania, deda _ naTela<br />
vaCnaZe, Zma _ koki, gizos mSvenieri<br />
da _ nana Jordania mousvenari<br />
qeTi CxeiZiT, Zma _ vaxo<br />
Tavisi keTili da stumarTmoyvare<br />
ojaxiT.<br />
me TqvenTan yofna miyvarda,<br />
gizo!<br />
gansakuTrebiT miyvarda<br />
Tqveni saxlis samzareuloSi<br />
gatarebuli saRamoebi. visxediT<br />
gvian Ramemde me, Sen da<br />
naTela. vsvamdiT Cais, vlaparakobdiT<br />
yvelaferze da araferze,<br />
araferze da yvelaferze.<br />
Zalian xSirad viyaviT erTad da<br />
mainc sul TqvenTan yofna menatreboda.<br />
ase iqeciT Cems saxlad<br />
Sen da naTela. Tqvenamde<br />
saxli marto Weri da kedlebi<br />
megona. Turme, SeiZleba, adamianic<br />
saxli iyos. saxli, sadac<br />
isvenebs sulic, sxeulic. sadac<br />
vxvdebodi ufro keTili, ufro<br />
mSvidi, ufro dalagebuli. Sen-<br />
Tan urTierTobam damarwmuna,<br />
rom qalsa da kacs Soris SeiZleba<br />
arsebobdes sufTa, WeSmariti,<br />
SeumrRveveli urTierToba.<br />
ici, ra mikvirda yvelaze metad?<br />
Sensa da naTelas urTier-<br />
TobaSi iyo raRac gansakuTrebuli,<br />
erTiani. amdeni wlis Tanacxovrebis<br />
Semdegac patara Seyvarebuli<br />
gogo-biWiviT sul<br />
kinklaobdiT, _ me yovelTvis<br />
naTelas mxares viyavi. xandaxan<br />
brazobdi, wamoxtebodi skamidan,<br />
gaSlidi xelebs da ityodi,<br />
_ Cemi Secdomaa, Tqvens daaxloebas<br />
xeli rom ar SevuSale.<br />
axla orni erTze modixarT, me<br />
ki Tqveni momrevi ara var. gadiodi<br />
Sens oTaxSi, Cven ki vicinodiT,<br />
vicinodiT, vkvdebodiT<br />
siciliT.<br />
vixseneb baTums. jer Seni dadgmuli<br />
„abesalom da eTeriT”<br />
gaixsna baTumis saopero Teatri,<br />
mere iyo „otelo”, mere bav-<br />
SvTa opera „turandoti”. mec<br />
baTumSi viyavi, dramatul TeatrSi<br />
Cemi piesa idgmeboda. saRamoobiT<br />
bulvarSi visxediT.<br />
erT dRes me da giorgi abaSi-<br />
Ze CogburTs vTamaSobdiT, Sen<br />
iqve Ria kafeSi ijeqi da TamaSs<br />
uyurebdi. moulodnelad aslan<br />
abaSiZe gamoCnda. gverdiT dagijda.<br />
raRacas emociurad giyveboda,<br />
Sen uaris niSnad Tavs<br />
aqnevdi da iRimebodi. interesi<br />
mklavda. giorgi, _ vuTxari, _<br />
wamodi, meore kortze gadavideT,<br />
movusminoT, raze laparakoben-meTqi.<br />
giorgim miTxra, _<br />
me getyvi, me vicio, mamaCems ba-<br />
TumSi xelovnebis institutis<br />
gaxsna unda, reqtorobas sTavazobs,<br />
gizo ki, etyoba, uars<br />
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mSvidobiT ara!<br />
naxvamdis!<br />
eubneba, magram zustad vici,<br />
„daabamso”. ver „dagaba”, ar „daebi”<br />
_ Sen Tbilisis Teatraluri<br />
instituti ver miatove.<br />
ar miatove.<br />
mere TbilisSi, institutSi,<br />
uRirsma kacma uRirsi saqcieli<br />
Caidina, ukadrebeli gakadra da<br />
arCadenilis Cadena dagabrala.<br />
saqme sasamarTlomde mivida.<br />
gamarTldi. ukve gamarjvebulma<br />
ministrs gancxadeba gaugzavne<br />
reqtoris Tanamdebobis datovebis<br />
TxovniT! es ambavi ministrma<br />
prezident eduard SevardnaZes<br />
Seatyobina, me _ naTelam.<br />
imave dRes Camovedi TbilisSi.<br />
kari Sen gamiRe. jer gakvirvebuli<br />
miyurebdi, mere mi-<br />
Txari, _ me marTali varo. me gipasuxe,<br />
rom CemTvis sulerTi<br />
iyo, marTali iyavi Tu mtyuani.<br />
me axla Sen gverdiT unda vyofiliyavi.<br />
imave saRamos prezidentma<br />
dagibara, garwmunebda, institutSi<br />
darCeniliyavi. ver dagiyolia.<br />
bolos Tavisi magaliTi<br />
moiSvelia, _ ai, me sul aTas rames<br />
mabraleben, magram arsadac<br />
ar mivdivar, isev aq var, yvelam<br />
xom gaigo, rom gamarTldi, ratom<br />
midixar, ar mesmis? Sen<br />
upasuxe, rom is prezidentia,<br />
qveynis meTauri da Tmenis valdebuleba<br />
aqvs, Sen ki pedagogi<br />
xar, studentebTan gaqvs ur-<br />
TierToba. Wori ki iseTi mamaZaRli<br />
ramaa, Tavis kvals mainc<br />
tovebs. iq, sadac erTma adamianma<br />
mainc daijera es Wori, arasodes<br />
dabrundebodi.<br />
baTumSi rom Cavedi, aslan<br />
abaSiZem ukve wvrilad icoda,<br />
ra moxda institutSi, ra giTxra<br />
prezidentma da Sen ra upasuxe.<br />
mere xumrobda, _ aba, ra<br />
egona gizos, es skandali me Cavawyve,<br />
axla Cvens instituts<br />
eyoleba gizo Jordaniao.<br />
erT saRamos me da lalia TabukaSvili<br />
televizorTan visxediT.<br />
aslan abaSiZe baTumis<br />
problemebze saubrobda. cali<br />
yuriT vusmendiT da ver mivxvdiT,<br />
ratom miaba Tavis gamosvlas<br />
es fraza: „Wkviani adamiani<br />
marTali kacisgan unda iRebdes<br />
magaliTs. ai, me dResac<br />
gizo Jordaniasgan vswavlob,<br />
rogor unda moiqces Tavmoyvare<br />
da marTali kaci”.<br />
im zafxuls baTumSi isvenebda<br />
irina arxipovas qmari, moskovis<br />
didi Teatris solisti,<br />
vladimir piakovi. baTumis operis<br />
TeatrSi „oteloze” dapatiJes.<br />
sityva-sityviT maxsovs,<br />
speqtaklis damTavrebis mere<br />
rac Tqva: „me rom Jordanias<br />
dadgmul operebSi memRera, ufro<br />
cnobili da ufro didi artisti<br />
viqnebodi”. iseTi siamayiT<br />
vusmendi, TiTqos, Cemi gaCenili<br />
da Cemi gazrdili Svili<br />
iyavi.<br />
maxsovs! yvelaferi maxsovs!<br />
is dRec maxsovs, romlis gaxsenebac<br />
ar minda. Sen da koka<br />
ignatovi „inturistis” win isxediT.<br />
TqvenTan movedi. Sen kokas<br />
miubrundi da eubnebi, _ ai,<br />
fisoc movida, aTasgvari sisuleliT<br />
savseo. kokam gaicina da<br />
wavida. Cven davrCiT. repeticiidan<br />
movedi, gacofebuli viyavi<br />
reJisorze da gauTaveblad vimeorebdi<br />
erTsa da imaves. mivxvdi,<br />
aRar mismendi. gavCumdi. visxediT<br />
ase Cumad. moulodnelad<br />
mekiTxebi, _ fiso, odesme<br />
Tu gyvarebia kaci ise, mis nacvlad<br />
SegeZlo momkvdariyavio?<br />
_ gavicine, _ giJi xom ara xar,<br />
ras mekiTxebi? aseTi siyvaruli<br />
ar arsebobs-meTqi. _ isev gaCumdi.<br />
mere Cem gasagonad ki ara,<br />
ise, SenTvis Tqvi, _ dRes rom<br />
sikvdili movides da mkiTxos,<br />
Sen wagiyvano Tu naTelao? arc<br />
viyoymaneb ise wavyvebi. davibeni,<br />
iseTi marTali iyavi, iseTi<br />
gulwrfeli.<br />
guli momewura da rogorc<br />
xSirad xdeba, roca ar ici, ra<br />
Tqva, is ki ici, raRac rom unda<br />
Tqva da me giTxari is, rasac arasodes<br />
vapatieb Tavs, _ imitom<br />
wayvebi, rom egoisti xar, mSi-<br />
Sara, ar ginda, tkiviliT darCe,<br />
Sewuxde, ase ufro komfortulia,<br />
iwvebi SenTvis kuboSi da<br />
fexebze daikideb naTelas, irines,<br />
kokis. dezertiri xar, _ Semomxede!<br />
ise Semomxede, rom axlac<br />
maxsovs, rogor gamcra tanSi.<br />
Sens mzeraSi ar iyo gabrazeba,<br />
arc wyena, raRacnairi Secvlili<br />
xmiT miTxari, _ Tu<br />
xvdebi, mainc, axla ra sisulele,<br />
ra saSineleba miTxario?<br />
adeqi da waxvedi. aRar vicodi,<br />
gamogyolodi da bodiSi momexada,<br />
Tu davrCeniliyavi? davr-<br />
Ci. vijeqi marto da vwyevlidi<br />
Cems grZel enas, Cems sulel<br />
Tavs.<br />
ramdenime dRe vcdilobdi,<br />
TeatrSi ar Segxvedrodi. mrcxvenoda.<br />
erT saRamos TviTon<br />
damireke, _ cocxali xaro? _<br />
mkiTxe. im dRis mere sami aTeuli<br />
weliwadi gavida. Sen is dRe<br />
aRar gixsenebia, me, _ miT umetes,<br />
rogor gavbedavdi?<br />
ar vici, mapatie Tu ara, is<br />
ki namdvilad vici, naTelasTvis<br />
rom damdgariyo arCevani, uyoymanod<br />
mokvdeboda Sen nacvlad.<br />
raRac mease grZnobiT vxvdebodi,<br />
rom ase moxdeboda. moxda<br />
ise, rogorc gindoda. waxvedi<br />
Cumad, uxmaurod, ase Citebi<br />
kvdebian mxolod. waxvedi da<br />
naTelas gausaZlisi dardi da<br />
tkivili dautove. nel-nela es<br />
tkivili sicarieled eqceva da<br />
mere sicarielis tkivili daRrRnis,<br />
rogorc fexmoWril adamians<br />
stkiva moWrili fexis<br />
nacvlad darCenili sicariele.<br />
me ar minaxavs Seni cxedari,<br />
me Sen vardebis gvirgvini gamogigzavne,<br />
romelic Zalian ggavda.<br />
gamogigzavne patara baraTic,<br />
sadac erTi winadadeba ewera:<br />
„es qalaqi aRarasodes aRar<br />
iqneba iseTi, rogoric iyo,<br />
raRac samudamod wavida SenTan<br />
erTad”.<br />
me iSviaTad gavdivar quCaSi.<br />
fiqrSi gxedav marjaniSvilis<br />
Teatris repeticiaze, Teatraluri<br />
institutis kibeze, rus-<br />
Tavelis Teatris holSi, griboedovis<br />
Teatris scenaze, operis<br />
Teatris baRSi, baTumis<br />
bulvarSi...<br />
xval 28 dekemberia, ormoci<br />
dRe gisruldeba. xval wardgebi<br />
uzenaesi samsajavros win.<br />
mec male gnaxav, Tu Cemi codvebiT<br />
damZimebuli suli Senamde<br />
moaRwevs. vici, Semxvdebi,<br />
rogorc yovelTvis, Rimiliani<br />
da odnav ironiuli. metyvi sityvebs,<br />
romlebic aTasjer giTqvams,<br />
_ va, fiso, moxvedi? aba,<br />
„davai”, moyevi, kidev ra sisulele<br />
Caidine?<br />
mSvidobiT ara, gizo! naxvamdis!<br />
Sexvedramde, fiso jojua<br />
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nino tabaRua<br />
maRali, Ria wablisferi TmiT da cisferi TvalebiT _ is<br />
yoveldRe dadis Tbilisis saxelmwifo universitetis bib-<br />
lioTekaSi. bevrma ar icis, rom misi xma gansakuTrebulia. uy-<br />
vars is, rac gamosdis da hgonia, rom es musikis weraa. mReris<br />
imaze, rac awuxebs da grZnobs. mReris arCevnebze, religiaze<br />
da mReris saqarTvelos qalaqebze, mReris grZnobebze, masze,<br />
vinc ipova da mere gauSva, mReris froidze da foTze. teqsti<br />
_ martivi, marTali da yvela adamianTan yovelTvis axlo.<br />
biWs, warmoSobiT soxumidan,<br />
gazrdils TbilisSi, uyvars<br />
musika, Tumca jer saban-<br />
ko saqme da mere filosofiis<br />
magistraturis kursi daa-<br />
mTavra. dRes is musikoss uw-<br />
odebs Tavs.<br />
gaicaniT, es baCo jiqiZea,<br />
28 wlis, musikosi, romelsac<br />
beThovenTan fizikuri siax-<br />
love akavSirebs...<br />
_ baCo, mogviyevi Senze...<br />
_ 28 wlis baCo jiqiZe var,<br />
miyvars musika da yvelaze bednieri<br />
var, roca im frazas vipovi,<br />
romelsac didxans veZebdi.<br />
_ amJamad ras saqmianob?<br />
_ musikas vwer.<br />
_ universitetSi ras Svrebi<br />
xolme yoveldRe?<br />
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davamTavre soxumis universitetSi<br />
da TsuSi magistraturaze<br />
filosofia viswavle... da,<br />
ra Tqma unda, musika, rac, ar<br />
miswavlia. dakvrac CemiT viswavle<br />
(eqimi, lideri, mewarme<br />
(viciniT).<br />
_ ratom airCie filosofia<br />
sabanko saqmis mere?<br />
_ es sakmaod ucnaurad moxda,<br />
SeiZleba, arc damijeroT:<br />
roca bakalavris xarisxi aviRe<br />
da vfiqrobdi, magistraturazec<br />
ekonomikurze gamegr-<br />
Zelebina, mag periodSi ucnauri<br />
ram damesizmra: antikur<br />
yaidaze gamowyobil saSualo<br />
asakis kacs xelSi wyliT savse<br />
Tasi eWira, Tasi gamomiwoda<br />
da miTxra: (qarTuli icoda) ba-<br />
Co, mosvi am Tasidan wyali da<br />
_ musikis weris dros ra<br />
grZnoba geufleba?<br />
_ Sen ra grZnoba geufleba,<br />
roca statias wer? roca kargi<br />
gamodis, gixaria, xom? roca<br />
ara, _ piriqiT.<br />
_ riT xar gansakuTrebuli<br />
da gamorCeuli, rogor ggo-<br />
nia?<br />
_ gansakuTrebuli ar var.<br />
SeiZleba, imdenad, ramdenadac<br />
yvela adamiania Taviseburad<br />
gansakuTrebuli, magram sxvebze<br />
metad _ ara. arc saintereso<br />
var, mgonia, magram ramdenadac<br />
es interviu saintereso<br />
adamianebze iwereba, amdenad<br />
unda vecado, saintereso viyo<br />
(icinis).<br />
_ rogoria Seni cxovrebis<br />
erTi dRe?<br />
_ Cemi dRe iwyeba herkulesis<br />
fafiT, mere mivdivar biblioTekaSi<br />
da vwer, an vkiTxulob,<br />
an arafers vakeTeb da movdivar<br />
saxlSi. ai, sul es aris.<br />
_ regularuli samsaxuri<br />
ar gaqvs?<br />
_ maqvs, oRond periodulad.<br />
_ sad?<br />
bankiri,<br />
_ xan _ sad, xan _ sad, maRaziebSi,<br />
sadme muSad, wignebsac<br />
vyiddi, yvelafers ver vityvi<br />
axla (icinis).<br />
_ risi keTeba giyvars yve-<br />
laze metad?<br />
_ yvelaze metad Zili miyvars,<br />
Zils arafris gamo davTmobdi.<br />
_ rogor wer teqstebs, romelic<br />
Zalian axlosaa msme-<br />
nelTan? ra aris inspiracia?<br />
_ me rom saidumlo gavTqva,<br />
yvela CemsaviT daiwyebs weras<br />
da es ar mawyobs (xumrobs). inspiraciebs<br />
rac Seexeba, isini<br />
adamianebi arian, maTi ganwyobebi,<br />
wamosrolili frazebi, ma-<br />
Tze gadaxdenili ambebi da a. S.<br />
_ vin aris Seni mesaidumle?<br />
_ arian egeTebi, visTanac<br />
SedarebiT metad gaxsnili xar,<br />
magram, zogjer, yvelafers<br />
Cems Tavsac ar vumxel.<br />
_ ramdenad iRbliani xar?<br />
_ dRemde rom cocxali da<br />
janmrTeli var, iRbliani gamovdivar.<br />
_ intervius vaZlev xolme<br />
(xumrobs). ZiriTadad, vkiTxulob.<br />
_ ra gaintersebs yvelaze<br />
metad?<br />
_ bolo dros ufro poezia.<br />
_ vin gitacebs?<br />
_ axla poemebs vkiTxulob,<br />
Cemi simRerebi, isini ufro ambavzea<br />
agebuli da poemebic<br />
xom esaa, iq raRac grZel ambebs<br />
riTmaven da yvela amas Taviseburad<br />
akeTebs. es Zalian sainteresoa.<br />
_ rodis daiwye wera pirve-<br />
lad?<br />
_ 24 wlis viyavi.<br />
_ ram STagagona?<br />
_ imedgacruebam, mere mixvdi,<br />
rom imedgacrueba bevr<br />
rames STagagonebs iseTs, rac<br />
SenTvis mniSvnelovani gaxdeba.<br />
_ sad swavlobdi?<br />
_ bakalavri _ sabanko saqme<br />
36<br />
Sen adamianTa da RmerTTa yvela<br />
saidumlos Caswvdebi. me<br />
Tasi gamovarTvi da davcale,<br />
magram roca verafers Cavwvdi<br />
da antikuri yaidis kaci aferistobaSi<br />
vamxile, is dainteresda,<br />
mqonda Tu ara raime saxis<br />
diplomi filosofiaSi?<br />
roca Cemgan uaryofiTi pasuxi<br />
miiRo, filosofiurze Cabareba<br />
mirCia, hoda, mec Cavabare.<br />
_ gadawyvetileba, romelic<br />
ginania.<br />
_ rogorc valeri leontievi<br />
ityoda, Cemi cxovreba<br />
aris didi sinanulis jaWvi<br />
(icinis).<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ ase gamovida, ar vici.<br />
_ konkretuli rame aris,<br />
rac ginania da igives ar gaa-<br />
keTebdi?<br />
_ konkretulad ver gagimxel,<br />
magram Zalian bevrs rames.<br />
_ TviTon ra musikas usmen?<br />
_ ZiriTadad poet musikosebs:<br />
bob dilans, leonard koens,<br />
niq qeivs, joni qeSs, biTlzs,<br />
nil iangs... ar minda, vinme<br />
gamomrCes da ewyinos (icinis).<br />
qarTvelebidan aravin yofila<br />
iseTi, Cemze gavlena rom moexdina,<br />
raRac etapze Carkvians<br />
vusmendi, magram gadamwyveti<br />
gavlena ver iqonia, ver vityvi.<br />
_ ra aris yvelaze Zvirfasi<br />
SenTvis?<br />
_ saxlSi joni li hukeris<br />
naqoni mediatori maqvs, is Cemma<br />
megobarma Camomitana stokholmidan.<br />
Cems megobars jonis<br />
misamarTiT raRac replika usvria,<br />
rac musikoss ar mowonebia<br />
da gabrazebulma mediatori<br />
esrola Cems megobars,<br />
romelmac mediatori aiRo,<br />
jibeSi Caido da me maCuqa. es<br />
Zlian sasacilo istoriaa, Tumca<br />
sakmaod Zvirfasi nivTia<br />
CemTvis.<br />
aseve maqvs pit samprasis<br />
naqoni, ai, majaze rom ukeTiaT<br />
CogburTelebs, Sublsawmendi,<br />
mgoni, fexburTelebi rom erTmaneTs<br />
maisurebs ucvlian, egre.<br />
CogburTelebi, Turme, er-<br />
TmaneTs am e. w. Sublsawmendebs<br />
ucvlian, mere es gacvlili<br />
Sublsawmendi, SeiZleba, kidev<br />
gaucvalos vinmes da ase samprasma<br />
is agasis gaucvala, agasma<br />
kidev viRacas, iman kidev viRacas<br />
da, sabolood, Cems megobars<br />
Cauvarda xelSi, oRond es<br />
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filosofosi, musikosi<br />
rogor moxda, Zalian grZeli<br />
ambavia.<br />
_ vis hgavxar, rogor ggo-<br />
nia?<br />
_ tom kruzs vgavar erTierTSi<br />
(icinis), ise, „brigada”<br />
rom iyo, cota ZvelbiWuri filmi,<br />
gaxsovs? mand iyo erTi<br />
„kosmosi”, meubnebodnen, mas<br />
hgavxaro. da iyo masSi raRac<br />
Cemi nawili.<br />
_ Sinaganad vis hgavxar da<br />
Signidan ramdeni wlis xar,<br />
Seni azriT?<br />
_ albaT, 24-is. zemoT Camo-<br />
Tvlil musikosebs vgavar suliskveTebiT,<br />
masStabebiT _ ara,<br />
ra Tqma unda.<br />
_ gyavs iseTi wignis, an<br />
filmis gmiri, romelsac,<br />
ggonia, rom hgavxar?<br />
_ bavSvobaSi megona, rom<br />
levins vgavdi („ana karenina”).<br />
raRacnairad, eWviani iyo, ara<br />
qalis mimarT, aramed, zogadad,<br />
egzistenciurad (es sityvebi<br />
ar CarTo, ra, interviuSi, ar<br />
vici, swori mniSvnelobiT viyeneb,<br />
Tu ara, icinis).<br />
_ ra aris cxovrebis azri<br />
SenTvis? ggonia, rom rame mi-<br />
sia gaqvs?<br />
_ erTi aseTi gamoTqmaa, ar<br />
maxsovs, budisturia Tu qristianuli:<br />
„vin dagexmareba Sen,<br />
Tu Tavad ar daexmarebi saku-<br />
Tar Tavs da rodis gaakeTeb<br />
Sen amas, Tu ar gaakeTeb axla”.<br />
es gamoTqma Zalian momwons,<br />
hoda, Tu rame misia maqvs, mainc,<br />
albaT, es sakuTari Tavis<br />
daxmarebaa...<br />
_ da rogor unda daexmaro<br />
sakuTar Tavs?<br />
_ unda gaugo.<br />
_ SenTvis ra aris Tavisu-<br />
fleba?<br />
_ Tvisufleba es aris mdgomareoba,<br />
roca, albaT, SenTvis<br />
ukve yvelaferi sulerTia. me<br />
mgoni, roca Senze aranairi<br />
gare faqtorebi ar moqmedebs,<br />
xar Tavisufali da is miiRweva,<br />
raRac religiuri praqtikiT<br />
sakuTari Tavis Secnobasa da<br />
materialuri jaWvebisgan gan-<br />
TavisuflebiT, vgulisxmob gasxivosnebas.<br />
anu mgonia, rom sanam<br />
am samyaroSi xar, absoluturi<br />
Tavisufleba ar arsebobs.<br />
es cnebac xom Sedarebi-<br />
Tia. SeiZleba, Sen meti Tavisufleba<br />
gqondes, vidre mas, vinc<br />
galiaSia, magram mainc ar iyo<br />
absoluturad Tavisufali,<br />
radgan viRac Senze metadaa<br />
gasxivosnebuli.<br />
_ gjera miRmieri samyaro-<br />
si?<br />
_ ki, raRac samyaroebis namdvilad<br />
mjera. SeiZleba, miRmieri<br />
samyaro davarqvaT da Sei-<br />
Zleba, aq myofoba, magram mjera,<br />
rom Cven SegviZlia viyoT<br />
sxva mdgomareobaSi, anu mjera<br />
imis, rom Cvenc SegviZlia viyoT<br />
Tavisuflebi, Tavisufal<br />
mdgomareobaSi, Tu rRacebs<br />
sworad gavakeTebT da am mdgomareobis<br />
damsaxurebac mxolod<br />
Senze araa damokidebuli.<br />
_ religiuri adamiani xar?<br />
_ religias ufro filosofiurad<br />
vudgebi. imdenadaa<br />
mniSvnelovani religia CemTvis,<br />
ramdenadac filosofiuri<br />
moZRvrebaa mniSvnelovani,<br />
Tumca didad ar vyof erTmaneTisgan<br />
religias da filosofias,<br />
es ukanaskneli dafu-<br />
Znebaa mcnebebze da religia<br />
TviTon gzaa, praqtikaa.<br />
_ rom ara baCo jiqiZe, vin<br />
iqnebodi?<br />
_ eko deisaZe (vxumrob)...<br />
ar vici, vin viqnebodi,<br />
warmodgena<br />
ar maqvs, baCo<br />
jiqiZe var<br />
Tu ara, egec<br />
ar vici zustad<br />
(icinis).<br />
_<br />
pirveli<br />
musika rogor<br />
dawere?<br />
_ 16 wlis<br />
viyavi, is Cems<br />
fexburTis<br />
mwvrTnels davuwere<br />
gabra-<br />
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zebulma, rom ar maTamaSebda<br />
da saTadarigoTa skamze msvamda<br />
mTeli sezonis manZilze.<br />
_ raime saintereso istorias<br />
xom ar gaixseneb Seni cx-<br />
ovrebidan?<br />
_ Cems cxovrebaSi yvelaze<br />
saintereso, albaT, is periodi<br />
iyo, roca kerlingze davdiodi,<br />
aseTi sportia, boulings<br />
hgavs, ai, iatakze raRacas agoreben<br />
da Sen im iataks aprialeb,<br />
rom is gamogorebuli<br />
nivTi daniSnulebis adgilamde<br />
mivides. hoda, mag sportiT<br />
viyavi gatacebuli, pirveli<br />
Tanrigosanic gavxdi, evropis<br />
Cempionatzec gavedi axalgazrdebSi,<br />
es saintereso istoria araa,<br />
magram saintereso faqti iyo<br />
Cems cxovrebaSi.<br />
_ ra gaxarebs yvelaze<br />
baCo jiqiZe<br />
metad?<br />
_ roca simRerisTvis iseT<br />
frazas vipovi, romelic momwons,<br />
es Zalian maxarebs da am<br />
wams, rogorc wesi, emociurad<br />
gamovxatav xolme.<br />
_ arsebobs SenTvis ideal-<br />
uri simRera, an is simRera,<br />
romelic<br />
ginda, rom Seni daw-<br />
erili iyos?<br />
_ ki, ki, aseTi uamravia, magram<br />
me gamovyofdi mainc: amas<br />
winaT internetSi Sua saukuneebis<br />
Canawerebs mivakvlie, nu<br />
Sua saukuneebis simRerebs romeliRac<br />
italileli momRerali<br />
asrulebda, Sua saukuneebis<br />
moxetiale musikosebi, rafsodebi,<br />
mokled, ai, mag periodis<br />
ramdenimie Canaweri notebis<br />
saxiT Cvenamde mosula da<br />
am italielma momReralma is<br />
simRerebi gaacocxla. aseTi<br />
magari ram araferi momismenia.<br />
iq erT-erT simReraSi, daaxloebiT,<br />
aseTi Sinaarsis sityvebia,<br />
rac gansakuTrebiT momwons:<br />
„alublebi cvivian xeebidan<br />
ise, rogorc wlebi Seni<br />
msubuqi mxrebidan”; an aseTi:<br />
„mogitan Rames iseTs, rom Sen<br />
mas ver dainaxav, Sen xom ar gesmis,<br />
Rame aris imisTvis, raTa<br />
ufro naTeli Rame dafaros”.<br />
minda, is simRerebi yvela Cemi<br />
iyos.<br />
_ Seni sayvareli filmi<br />
romelia?<br />
_ Cemi sayvareli filmia norvegieli<br />
reJisoris, domenike<br />
iansenis filmi „asfaltis Svilebi”.<br />
es filmi Tanamedrove<br />
adamianebze, maT SiSebze, maT<br />
damokidebulebebze adamianis<br />
fundamentur sakiTxebze, sikvdil-sicocxlis<br />
arszea. filmis<br />
mTvari gmirebi asfalts<br />
ageben da procesSi erTmaneTs<br />
filosofiur Temebze esaubrebian,<br />
Sedegad maTi dagebuli<br />
asfalti uxarisxoa da maT samsaxuridan<br />
agdeben. filmi mag<br />
moralsac atarebs, rom roca<br />
asfalts ageb, maSin bevri ar<br />
unda ilaybo.<br />
_ visi Sefasebaa SenTvis<br />
yvelaze mniSvnelovani?<br />
_ yvelaze mniSvnelovani<br />
CemTvis Cemi megobrebis Sefasebaa,<br />
isini yovelTvis pirdapir<br />
meubnebian, Tu rame ar<br />
moswonT: „baCo, Cemo Zmao, es<br />
ra dagiweria”, „es saSinelebaa”<br />
„amis Caweras<br />
ar girCev, xalxi<br />
ver gagigebs,<br />
isini, ubralod,<br />
gadag-<br />
Telaven”.<br />
xom gesmis?<br />
ase-<br />
Ti frazebiT<br />
maT xSirad<br />
moumarTvT<br />
CemTvis,<br />
Cemi megobrebi<br />
Cemze Zalian<br />
zrunaven.<br />
_ ra aris yvelaze Zvirfasi<br />
Tviseba SenTvis?<br />
_ Rirseba da wesiereba, rac<br />
unda SeinarCunos adamianma da<br />
unda gaufrTxildes.<br />
_ gitaraze dakvra vin gas-<br />
wavla?<br />
_ aravin, CemiT viswavle, me<br />
xom gitaristi ar var, me teqstebs<br />
vwer. imas, rac ici, 2<br />
dReSi iswavli. simReris daweras<br />
rTuli rame ar sWirdeba.<br />
unda icode 3-4 akordi, studiaSi<br />
Cawera Tu damWirda, an<br />
raime, megobrebi myavs.<br />
_ visTvis, an risTvis ar<br />
genaneba araferi?<br />
_ mSoblebisTvis da Cemi<br />
saqmisTvis. SeiZleba, bevri ram<br />
davTmo, kargi musika rom davwero<br />
(mTlad eSmaks ar mivyidi<br />
suls, magram...)<br />
_ Seni azriT, ra aris prob-<br />
lema sazogadoebaSi da ras<br />
Secvlidi?<br />
_ ar vici. ar miyvars sxvebisTvis<br />
Wkuis darigeba, ai, aseTi<br />
unda iyos es da aseTi _ is, isec<br />
yvela sakuTar Tavs Tu mixedavs,<br />
yvela ukeT viqnebiT, mgoni.<br />
_ ra aris Seni samomavlo<br />
gegmebi?<br />
_ aranairi gegma ar maqvs,<br />
dRevandeli dRiT vcxovrob<br />
da ha, ha, xvalindeli dRiT.<br />
_ ra gaZlevs xvalindeli<br />
dRis imeds?<br />
_ jer rom im asakSi ar var,<br />
daZinebisa da argaRviZebis<br />
meSinodes.<br />
_ ipove sakuTari Tavi?<br />
_ ara, ra Tqma unda. simRerebs<br />
imitom ki ar vwer, rom<br />
vfiqrob, kargad gamomdis,<br />
aramed, mgonia, rom sxva nebismieri<br />
saqmisTvis xeli rom momekida,<br />
albaT, imaSic amdeni<br />
Sroma damWirdeboda, magram es<br />
saqme miyvars. ar aqvs mniSvneloba,<br />
ras akeTeb, mTavaria,<br />
kargad akeTebde. ramdenadac<br />
es saqme vipove, imdenad bednieri<br />
var.<br />
_ vin aris baCo jiqiZe?<br />
_ baCo jiqiZe gamogonili<br />
saxelia, ase icnoben mas misi<br />
nacnobebi da ase icnobs igi<br />
sakuTar Tavs, magram vin icis.<br />
is musikis dasawerad, an poeziis<br />
kiTxvis gasagrZeleblad<br />
wavida, xval isev herkulesis<br />
fafiT daiwyebs dilas da roca<br />
STagonebis wyaros ipovis, kvlav<br />
SesaniSnav simRerebs dawers.<br />
dawers yvelaferze, rac<br />
awuxebs, unda Tqvas da aRniSvnis<br />
Rirsia.<br />
biWs Ria wablisferi TmiT<br />
da cisferi TvalebiT ufro<br />
bevri ram akavSirebs beThoven-<br />
Tan, vidre es erTi SexedviT<br />
Cans.<br />
es baCo jiqiZea, adamiani,<br />
romelic, ubralod, musikas<br />
qmnis.<br />
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prezidentad<br />
meore vadiT<br />
saqarTvelos erovnul olimpiur<br />
komitets kvlav leri xa-<br />
belovi uTavkacebs. seok-is sa-<br />
prezidento arCevnebSi misi um-<br />
Tavresi konkurenti irakli<br />
meZmariaSvili mariaSvili iyo. sabolood,<br />
xabelovma 78 delegatis xma miiRo,<br />
meZmariaSvils ki 57-ma xmo-<br />
sanma dauWira mxari.<br />
‘madlobas vuxdi yvela mxar-<br />
damWers. CemTvis didi pativia<br />
erovnuli olimpiuri komitetis<br />
kidev erTi vadiT xelmZRv-<br />
aneloba. es didi pasuxismgeblobaa.<br />
momdevno olimpiur cikl-<br />
Si me da Cems gunds axali gamo-<br />
wvevebi gvelis da vecdebiT, di-<br />
di qarTuli sportuli ojaxis<br />
molodini srulad gavamarTl-<br />
oT. sportisa da axalgazrdo-<br />
bis saqmeTa saministrosTan, as-<br />
eve sportul federaciebTan<br />
mWidro TanamSromlobiT vecdebiT,<br />
2020 wels tokios olimpiada<br />
ukeTesi SedegiT davasru-<br />
loT~, _ ganacxada xabelovma.<br />
mas gamarjveba pirvelma meZmariaSvilma<br />
miuloca, romelmac<br />
aRniSna, rom arCevnebma gam-<br />
Wvirvaled da samarTlianad<br />
Caiara.<br />
seok-is saangariSo-saarCevno<br />
sesiaze ganvlili olimpiuri<br />
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wels barselonaSi), olimpiuri<br />
vercxli (1988 wels seulSi) da<br />
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oqros os medali moigo. is evropis<br />
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medlebi. ramdenime saTamaSo saxeobaSi<br />
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eT, wlis umTavresi sportuli<br />
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de-Janeiros olimpiuri TamaSebi<br />
iyo da wlis monagaris Sefasebi-<br />
sas yvelaze mets swored oTxwl-<br />
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dadga ori qarTveli da saqarTvelos<br />
himnis TanxlebiT erTbaSad<br />
ori qarTuli droSa aRimarTa!<br />
22 wlis laSa talaxaZe ukve aris<br />
qarTuli sportis legenda, Tumca<br />
es misi didi gzis mxolod dasawyisia.<br />
am Tavmdabal da mizandasaxul<br />
saCxerel biWs RmerTma udidesi<br />
niWis garda, umTavresi –<br />
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rom talaxaZe kidev araerTxel<br />
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wlis Caqvelma TurmaniZemac, romelmac<br />
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vercxlis Semdeg<br />
lado olimpiuri Cempionobis<br />
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londonSi iyo, magram maSin msajebma<br />
finalSi unamusod daCagres da<br />
vercxlis medals daajeres. rioSi<br />
xinCegaSvili ukve veRaravin SeaCera,<br />
magram msajebma amjeradac<br />
bevri sanerviulo gauCines.<br />
xinCegaSvilisTvis TiToeuli<br />
brZola mZime gamodga, magram taqtikurad<br />
gamarTuli Widaobis,<br />
fsiqologiuri mdgradobisa da<br />
umaRlesi saSemsruleblo ostatobis<br />
wyalobiT yvela dapirispireba<br />
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mervedfinalSi gorelma falavanma<br />
yazax nurislam sanaevs 4:3<br />
sZlia, meoTxedfinalSi msajebma<br />
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azerbaijanel haji alievs mainc<br />
ajoba (5:3), naxevarfinalSi SedarebiT<br />
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nerviuloba ki finalisas gveloda.<br />
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lados koncentracia arc am dros<br />
daukargavs da angariSi meTodurad<br />
gaxada 3:3. raki bolo qula<br />
qarTvelma moipova, Cempionic is<br />
gaxda.<br />
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da aseve imedi gagviCina, rom<br />
oqros medlis upirvelesi kandidati<br />
momaval olimpiadazec iqneba.<br />
varlam<br />
lipartelianis<br />
cremliani finali<br />
olimpiuri Cempionis gareSe<br />
davrCiT ZiudoSi, aseTi usiamovneba<br />
ki bolos 1996 wels SegvemTxva.<br />
am saxeobaSi xeli moecara da umedlod<br />
darCa msoflios moqmedi Cempioni<br />
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ki erTaderTi qarTveli,<br />
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iyo da finalSic minimalurad<br />
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arc misi olimpiuri ocneba dasrulebula<br />
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parasportsmens olimpiuri medali<br />
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zviad gogoWurma yvela brZolaSi<br />
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msgavsi Sedegi ki bevri qveynisTvis<br />
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oficialur matCebSi maincdamainc<br />
ver gamoviCineT Tavi _ msoflios<br />
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elizbar odikaZe da daviT<br />
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mesame adgilze gavida Smagi<br />
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ki, romelmac olimpiadaze Tavi<br />
verafriT gamoiCina, evropis Cempioni<br />
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sul axlaxan ki Widaobis msoflios<br />
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wonebSi, sadac vercxlis<br />
medali moipova Tavisufali stiliT<br />
moWidave beqa lomTaZem.<br />
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oqros medlebi moipoves vaJa<br />
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vice-Cempionebi gaxdnen, xolo nugzar<br />
tatalaSvilma da levan matiaSvilma<br />
brinjaos medlebi moipoves.<br />
qalTa Soris istoriuli medali<br />
gvxvda wilad – evropis vice-Cempioni<br />
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ester stami gaxda.<br />
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Tve<br />
25.<br />
cxovel-<br />
Ta mefe<br />
19.<br />
nusxa,<br />
Camo-<br />
naTvali<br />
rusTaveli<br />
darbazi 5 GEO 12:30 8-9 l.<br />
darbazi 5 GEO 15:00 9-10 l.<br />
darbazi 1 GEO 17:30 11-12 l.<br />
darbazi 1 GEO 20:00 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 1 GEO 22:30 13-14 l.<br />
ozi: ZaRlebis gaqceva<br />
amirani<br />
darbazi 3 12:15 8-9 l.<br />
darbazi 3 14:30 9-10 l.<br />
darbazi 2 20:00 13-14 l.<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
darbazi 7 12:30 7-8 l.<br />
darbazi 7 14:30 8-9 l.<br />
darbazi 7 16:45 9-10 l.<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
darbazi 3 12:00 7-8 l.<br />
darbazi 3 14:10 8-9 l.<br />
darbazi 2 17:00 9-10 l.<br />
rusTaveli<br />
darbazi 4 12:00 8-9 l.<br />
darbazi 4 14:30 9-10 l.<br />
darbazi 5 17:30 11-12 l.<br />
amirani<br />
darbazi 2 17:45 11-12 l.<br />
amindi<br />
samSabaTi<br />
oTxSabaTi<br />
xuTSabaTi<br />
paraskevi<br />
SabaTi<br />
kvira<br />
orSabaTi<br />
Tbilisi<br />
6-8 0<br />
9-11 0<br />
7-8 0<br />
10-11 0<br />
7-9 0<br />
8-10 0<br />
7-9 0<br />
quTaisi<br />
11-13 0<br />
7-10 0<br />
12-14 0<br />
13-14 0<br />
11-12 0<br />
7-11 0<br />
8-11 0<br />
baTumi<br />
11-12 0<br />
8-9 0<br />
14-15 0<br />
9-10 0<br />
10-11 0<br />
7-10 0<br />
8-10 0<br />
zugdidi<br />
12-13 0<br />
8-9 0<br />
15-16 0<br />
14-16 0<br />
13-15 0<br />
10-12 0<br />
9-11 0<br />
gori<br />
4-6 0<br />
5-7 0<br />
6-9 0<br />
5-7 0<br />
3-4 0<br />
2-3 0<br />
3-4 0<br />
Telavi<br />
5-8 0<br />
8-10 0<br />
5-7 0<br />
11-13 0<br />
4-6 0<br />
5-7 0<br />
4-8 0<br />
foTi<br />
12-13 0<br />
8-11 0<br />
16-19 0<br />
14-16 0<br />
11-13 0<br />
10-12 0<br />
11-13 0<br />
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gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul<br />
masalebs aqvT sareklamo<br />
xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia<br />
SeiZleba ar daemTxves<br />
redaqciis Sexedulebas.<br />
mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)<br />
redaqtori nana TvalabeiSvili (592 73 73 90)<br />
vardiaSvili neli 597 11 12 47<br />
stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;<br />
batiaSvili Tamar 593 61 74 15<br />
rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06<br />
redaqciis misamarTi:<br />
mamulaSvili gela 599 45 50 26<br />
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berulava laSa 577 20 86 13<br />
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mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55<br />
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TavarTqilaZe daviT 555 50 01 36<br />
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vaSaymaZe xviCa 599 22 82 89<br />
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