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gela mamulaSvili 599 45 50 26 „adamianis uflebaTa centris” gancxadebiT, azerbaijanis moqalaqe daSgin aRalarlis, romelic saqarTveloSi politikur TavSesafars iTx- ovs, saqarTvelos specsamsaxurebis saxeliT uTvalTvale- ben da aviwroeben. arasamTavrobo organizaciisve cnobiT, bolo Tveebis ganmavlobaSi daSgin aRalarlis gaurkvevelma pirma mobilur telefonze orjer daureka da gasaubrebis mizniT TbilisSi, romelime skverSi Sexvedra mosTxova. „pirveli zaris dros ucnobma ganacxada, rom saqarTvelos Sinagan saqmeTa saministros TanamSromeli iyo, meore jerze ki saxelmwifo uSiSroebis samsaxuris warmomadgenlad gaecno. „adamianis uflebaTa centri SeSfoTebas” gamoxatavs politikuri TavSesafris maZiebel- Tan samarTlebrivi procedurebis uxeSi darRveviT ganxorcielebuli komunikaciis Taobaze, rac gamokveTilad atarebs ukanono TvalTvalisa da devnis xasiaTs. SemaSfoTebelia, rom zarebi ganxorcielda daSifruli mobiluri nomridan da SeuZlebelia dadgena, namdvilad Sss-s, an sus-is warmomadgeneli iyo dainteresebuli SexvedriT, Tu sxva pirebi, romlebsac SesaZloa, kanonsawinaaRmdego miznebi amoZravebdeT. daSgin aRalarli aris azerbaijanis opoziciuri partia „musavaTis” wevri. igi wlebis ganmavlobaSi idevneboda azerbaijanis xelisuflebisgan gansxvavebuli politikuri Sexedulebebis gamo. 2013 wels, sxva politikuri da sazogadoebrivi aqtivistebis msgavsad, aRalarlis azerbaijanis xelisuflebam dausabuTebeli brali wauyena _ gadasaxadebisgan Tavis arideba. 2014 wels daSgin aRalarli saqarTvelos samarTaldamcvelma organoebma TurqeTis respublikidan saqarTveloSi Semosvlisas daakaves, roca mas gadawyvetili hqonda, saqarTvelos xelisuflebisTvis politikuri TavSesafari eTxova. adamianis uflebaTa centris daxmarebiT, 2014 wlis agvisto- Si, igi patimrobidan ganTavisuflda. 2014 wels daSgin aRalarlim saqarTvelos okupirebuli teritoriebidan iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTa, gansaxlebisa da ltolvilTa saministros mimarTa da moiTxova misTvis da misi SvilisTvis ltolvilis statusis miniWeba, razedac, 2 wlis Semdeg, saministrosgan dausabuTebeli uari miiRo. 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com adamianis uflebaTa centris samarTlebrivi daxmarebiT, da- Sgin aRalarlim saministros uari administraciuli wesiT Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi gaasaCivra. Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlom daakmayofila moTxovna da saqarTvelos okupirebuli teritoriebidan iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTa, gansaxlebisa da ltolvilTa saministros daavala daSgin aRalarlisTvis da misi SvilisTvis ltolvilis statusis miniWeba. amave dros, Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlom srulad gaiziara mosarCeleebis pozicia, rom aRalarlebis azerbaijanisTvis gadacemis SemTxvevaSi safrTxe daemuqreboda maT sicocxles da daeqvemdebarebodnen wamebasa da politikur devnas. Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamar- Tlos mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebis miuxedavad, saqarTvelos okupirebuli teritoriebidan iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTa, gansaxlebisa da ltolvilTa saministros dRemde ar miuniWebia ltolvilis statusi daSgin aRalarlisTvis da misi SvilisTvis. amave dros, politikuri devnilis mimarT ar wydeba devna da fsiqologiuri zewola. „adamianis uflebaTa centri” moiTxovs, saqarTvelos xelisuflebam miiRos Sesabamisi zomebi im pirTa identificirebisTvis, romlebic saqarTvelos Sinagan saqmeTa saministrosa da saxelmwifo uSiSroebis samsaxuris saxeliT daukav- Sirdnen daSgin aRalarlis. amave dros, xelisuflebam unda Seafasos yvela safrTxe, rac ki SeiZleba emuqrebodes ltolvilis statusis maZiebels da maqsimalurad uzrunvelyos misi usafrTxoeba”, _ naTqvamia „adamianis uflebaTa centris” gancxadebaSi. „qronika+”-s esaubreba saqarTveloSi politikuri TavS- esafris maZiebeli daSgin aR- alarli: arli: `politikuri TavSesafris maZiebels saqarTvelos specsamsaxurebis saxeliT aviwroeben~ `mec adamiani var, sicocxlis, normaluri cxovrebis ufleba maqvs... aseve Tavisuflad muSaobisa da ojaxis Senaxvis saSualeba unda mqondes~ _ batono daSgin, ra mizeze- bis gamo moiTxoveT saqarTveloSi politikuri TavSesafa- ri? _ Cems qveyanaSi mdevnidnen. raRac falsificirebuli braldebebi wamiyenes, romlis ganxocrielebac me arafriT Seme- Zlo. rodesac TurqeT-saqarTvelos saxelmwifo sazRvari gadmovkveTe, sarfis sakontrolo-gamSveb punqtze damapatimres. amixsnes, rom es swored azerbaijanis moTxovniT moxda. amis Semdeg saqarTvelos prezidents, giorgi margvelaSvils gancxadebiT mivmarTe da vTxove, rom CemTvis politikuri TavSesafari moeca. aqedan moyolebuli sami weli gadis da es statusi ar mimiRia. vacxadeb, rom me azerbaijanSi dabruneba ar SemiZlia da amitom saqarTveloSi politikur Tav- Sesafars viTxov. _ ratom ar SegiZliaT sam- SobloSi dabruneba? potenci- urad iq ra problemebi Segeqm- nebaT? _ azerbaijanis xelisufleba calsaxad politikuri mrwamsis gamo mdevnis. isini araerTxel Seecadnen, rom davepatimrebine. qveynidan amitom wamovedi. rodesac opoziciuri politikuri moqmedebebi gavaZliereT, maT Cem winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis saqme aRZres da Zebna gamoacxades. TurqeTSi yofnisas, rodesac iqauri televiziiT azerbaijanis xelisufleba gavakritike, kerZod, brali davde mZime danaSaulobebSi, korufciaSi, monopoliaSi, xelisuflebis ukanonod xelSi CagdebaSi, konstituciis darRvevasa da a. S., maT gadawyvites, rom an davedumebine, an davepatimrebine. amis gamo saqme aRZres da Cem dasapatimreblad interpols mimarTes, amitom aranairi Sesa- Zlebloba ar maqvs, rom samSobloSi davbrunde. _ konkretulad ras gulisx- mobT, rodesac azerbaijanSi xelisuflebis ukanonod xel- Si Cagdebasa da msgavs bralde- bebze saubrobT? _ saerTod, 1993 wlis Semdeg azerbaijanSi kanonieri, Ria da demokratiuli arCevnebi ar Catarebula. xelisuflebis war- 26 `Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlom srulad gaiziara mosarCeleebis pozicia, rom aRalarlebis azerbaijanisTvis gadacemis SemTxvevaSi safrTxe daemuqreboda maT sicocxles da daeqvemdebarebodnen wamebasa da politikur devnas. Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlos mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebis miuxedavad, saqarTvelos okupirebuli teritoriebidan iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTa, gansaxlebisa da ltolvilTa saministros dRemde ar miuniWebia ltolvilis statusi daSgin aRalarlisTvis da misi SvilisTvis. amave dros, politikuri devnilis mimarT ar wydeba devna da fsiqologiuri zewola~ 26 N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w.

momadgenlebi, rogorc heidar, aseve ilham alievis dros arCevnebs yovelTvis agebdnen, maT realurad xalxis mxardaWera ar gaaCniaT. amis Semdeg raRac protokolebs avsebdnen, TavianTTvis sasurvel procentebs iwerdnen (95-98%) da, TiTqosda, aseTi didi upiratesobiT igebdnen arCevnebs. axla rasac vambob, yvela saerTaSoriso dokumentSi dadasturebulia; xolo mimdinare 2016 wels, mTelma saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobam, maT Soris, euTom, azerbaijanSi Catarebuli arCevnebi saerTod ar aRiara, amitom miviCnevT, rom azerbaijan- Si xelisufleba ara demokratiuli arCevnebiT, aramed ra- Rac arakonstituciuri gzebiT yalibdeba. realurad, es Zalauflebis xelSi Cagdebaa. _ TurqeTSi yofnisas ra problemebi SegeqmnaT? _ stambulis policiam Tvi- Ton maiZula, rom TurqeTidan wamovsuliyavi. maT miTxres, rom azerbaijani Tqven gadacemas iTxovso, _ Cven viciT, rom es saqme politikuria, ar gvsurs deportacia, magram Tu amis Semdegac TurqeTSi gaCerdebiT, Cven, adre Tu gvian, iZulebeuli gavxdebiT, dagapatimroT da gadagceT, amitom gTxovT, Cveni qveyana datoveTo. mokled, maiZules, rom es qveyana dametovebina. _ sarfSi gadmosvlisas ra braldeba wagiyenes? _ qarTul mxares sazRvarze rame ganmarteba ar moucia, magram dapatimrebis mere amixsnes, rom es Cven azerbaijanis Sinagan saqmeTa saministros moTxovniT gavakeTeTo. _ riT iyo es nabiji das- abuTebuli? _ arafriT ar auxsniaT. rodesac adgilze makavebdnen, gaeros warmomadgeneli moviTxove da maT avuxseni, rom es politikuri saqmea, magram Tarjimnis garda aravin moiyvanes. mere ganmimartes, rom saqar- Tvelosa da azerbaijans Soris calkeuli adamianebis dakavebaze protokoli moqmedebs da swored am safuZvelze sami TviT damapatimres. rogorc aRvniSne, Tavdapirvelad, saqarTvelos prezidents mivmarTe, Semdeg Cemi saqmiT ukve dainteresdnen rogorc qarTuli (adamianis uflebaTa centri), ise saerTaSoriso uflebadamcveli organizaciebi, aseve azerbaijanis politikuri partiebi da agvistos bolos ukve patimrobidan gamaTavisufles. _ ganTavisuflebis mere devnilTa saministros mima- rTeT. riT axsnes uari Tqve- nTvis politikuri statusis moniWebaze? _ xelT maqvs maT mier gacemuli dokumenti. pirvel punqtSi daweres, rom isini aRiareben saqmis politikurobas, _ saerTaSoriso protokolebiT, Jenevis konvenciiT ufleba maqvs, moviTxovo politikuri TavSesafari, magram qveynis, anu saqarTvelos interesebidan gamomdinare, uari miTxres TavSesafris moniWebaze. _ amis Semdeg Tbilisis saq- alaqo sasamarTlos mimarT- eT... _ diax, maT saqme ganixiles, yvela Sesabamisi dokumenti Seiswavles. sxvaTa Soris, erTi daxuruli sxdoma gamarTes da 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com giorgi margvelaSvili `rodesac am sakiTxze saqarTvelos prezidents mivmarTavdi, miviCnevdi, rom es normaluri, kanonieri uflebaa, Seesabameba saerTaSoriso normebs, saqarTvelos kanonebs... saqarTvelo azerbaijans esazRvreba, aq megobari xalxebi cxovroben da Zalian msurda, rom saqarTveloSi mecxovra, magram Tuki mTavrobas ar surs, rom mis teritoriaze vicxovro, maSin Cemi dokumentebi unda daebrunebinaT da eTqvaT, rom gTxovT, Cveni qveynidan gaemgzavreTo. es dokumentebi dRemde ar damibrunes da Cems mimarTvazec pasuxs ar mcemen. miviCnev, rom am situaciidan yvelaze gonivruli gamosavali is aris, saqarTvelom Seasrulos, rogorc Tavisi saerTaSoriso valdebulebebi, aseve saerTaSoriso kanonmdebloba da Cemi ufleba, rom mec adamiani var, sicocxlis, normaluri cxovrebis ufleba maqvs...~ gadawyvites, rom saqarTvelos xelisuflebam unda daakmayofilos Cemi Txovna da politikuri TavSesafari momces. _ amis Semdeg ra procesebi ganviTarda? _ vfiqrob, rom xelisufleba Caeria. zustad SvidTvenaxevari gadawyvetilebas ver iRebdnen, rom saministroSi gaegzavnaT. am drois gasvlis Semdeg, rogorc iqna, aRsasruleblad gagzavnes, xolo devnil- Ta saministrom es gadawyvetileba amjerad saapelacio sasamarTlos gadaugzavna. xazs vusvam, _ saqalaqo sasamarTlos es gadawyvetileba miRebisTanave unda gadaegzavna da amas, realurad, 7,5 Tvis ganmavlobaSi ar akeTebdnen. sabolood, okupirebuli teritoriebis saministrom gadawyvetilebis apelacia moaxdina. _ am apelacias riT xsnian? _ jerjerobiT, maT mier saapelacio sasamarTloSi gadagzavnili dokumenti ar maqvs, amitom ar vici, masSi ra daweres. vfiqrob, imasve dawerdnen, rac adre daweres. _ ras ukavSirebT aseT damokidebulebas, rodesac dev- nilTa saministros ar surs pirveli instanciis sasamarT- los gadawyvetilebis aRsru- leba? _ Cans, rom saqarTvelos xelisufalni am sakiTxSi (rogorc CemTan, aseve sxva msgavs saqmeebTan mimarTebiT) azerbaijanis xelisuflebis nebas emorCilebian. amas ufro akeTeben, vidre kanonis, saerTaSoriso protokolebis dacvas, romlebsac maT xeli moaweres. anu saqarTvelos xelisufleba am sakiTxSi mWidrod megobrobs da TanamSromlobs azerbaijanis xelisuflebasTan da arc surs mas awyeninos. _ magram es saerTaSoriso samarTlis normebTan Tanx- mobaSi rogor modis? _ aRniSnul normebs ewinaaRmdegeba, magram azerbaijani saqarTvelosgan iTxovs, rom mis moqalaqeebs Tbilisma politikuri TavSesafari ar misces; da saqarTvelo, jerjerobiT, amas iTvaliswinebs. _ am fonze, saqarTveloSi gemuqrebaT Tu ara rame sa- frTxe? _ gansakuTrebul safrTxes saqarTveloSi ver vgrZnob, magram, rogorc aRvniSneT, aris garkveuli niuansebi, romlebic CemTan mimarTebiT xdeba da es maSfoTebs. _ SegiZliaT gviTxraT, vin arian es adamianebi, romlebic girekaven da TqvenTan Sexve- drebs iTxoven? _ simarTle giTxraT, am adamianebis gamorkvevisTvis xelisuflebis Sesabamis organoebs mivmarTeT, _ rogorc Sss-s, usafrTxoebis samsaxurs, aseve iusticiis ministrs, ombudsmensa da dRemde pasuxi ar migviRia. Cvenc Zalian gvainteresebs, vin arian es adamianebi. magram saqme isaa, rom am adamianebis darekvebisa da dabarebis Sesaxeb azerbaijanis xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebmac ician, amitom aq mTavari safrTxe isaa, rom, albaT, saqarTvelos usafrTxoebis samsaxuri azerbaijanis usafrTxoebis samsaxur- Tan TanamSromlobs. _ Seqmnili mdgomareobidan gamosavals sad xedavT? _ rodesac am sakiTxze saqar- Tvelos prezidents mivmarTavdi, miviCnevdi, rom es normaluri, kanonieri uflebaa, Seesabameba saerTaSoriso normebs, saqarTvelos kanonebs... saqar- Tvelo azerbaijans esazRvreba, aq megobari xalxebi cxovroben da Zalian msurda, rom saqarTveloSi mecxovra, magram Tuki mTavrobas ar surs, rom mis teritoriaze vicxovro, maSin Cemi dokumentebi unda daebrunebinaT da eTqvaT, rom gTxovT, Cveni qveynidan gaemgzavreTo. es dokumentebi dRemde ar damibrunes da Cems mimarTvazec pasuxs ar mcemen. miviCnev, rom am situaciidan yvelaze gonivruli gamosavali is aris, saqarTvelom Seasrulos, rogorc Tavisi saerTaSoriso valdebulebebi, aseve saerTaSoriso kanonmdebloba da Cemi ufleba, rom mec adamiani var, sicocxlis, normaluri cxovrebis ufleba maqvs... aseve Tavisuflad muSaobisa da ojaxis Senaxvis saSualeba unda mqondes. am droisTvis yvela es normaluri, adamianuri SesaZlebloba warTmeuli maqvs. Cemi yvela ufleba am mxriv darRveulia. _ samomavlod ras fiqrobT, saqarTveloSi darCenas Tu az- erbaijanSi dabrunebas? ra gegmebi gaqvT? _ sanam azerbaijanSi moqmedi xelisuflebaa, qveyanaSi dabrunebas, ubralod, ver SevZleb. saqarTveloSi darCena Zalian minda, magram ar vici, SemdgomSi ra moxdeba. saqarTvelo Seasrulebs Tu ara sasamar- Tlos gadawyvetilebas, an ra gadawyvetilebas miiRebs saapelacio sasamarTlo. Tuki iZulebuli gavxdebi, rasakvirvelia, qveyanas davtoveb, magram am droisTvis Cemi dokumentebi Tan ar maqvs da is unda damibrunon. vimedovneb kanonierebaze, marTlmsajulebasa da humanitarul pasuxismgeblobaze, raTa saqarTvelos xelisuflebam, bolos da bolos, Cemi adamianuri uflebebi cnos. `azerbaijanis xelisufleba calsaxad politikuri mrwamsis gamo mdevnis. isini araerTxel Seecadnen, rom davepatimrebine. qveynidan amitom wamovedi. rodesac opoziciuri politikuri moqmedebebi gavaZliereT, maT Cem winaaRmdeg sisxlis samarTlis saqme aRZres da Zebna gamoacxades. TurqeTSi yofnisas, rodesac iqauri televiziiT azerbaijanis xelisufleba gavakritike, kerZod, brali davde mZime danaSaulobebSi, korufciaSi, monopoliaSi, xelisuflebis ukanonod xelSi CagdebaSi, konstituciis darRvevasa da a. S., maT gadawyvites, rom an davedumebine, an davepatimrebine. amis gamo saqme aRZres da Cem dasapatimreblad interpols mimarTes, amitom aranairi SesaZlebloba ar maqvs, rom samSobloSi davbrunde~ N46(177) 27.12-17.01.2017 w. ilham alievi 27