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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com rogor unda Seiwyalos aSS-s moqalaqe samarTliani sasamarTlo, isev neli vardiaSvili gadauWreli problemaa xelisu- 597 11 12 47 flebagamocvlil qveyanaSi. miuxedavad imisa, rom reformebis ramdenimesafexurian aucileblobaze saubroben, am dromde, sasamarTlo sistemaSi dagrovili xarvezebi Tu iuridiuli laf- susebi imedismomcem fons, namdvilad ar qmnis. ra faqtebs awvdis ‘qronika+”-s advokati zurab Todua da ratom Tvlis, rom sasamarTlo sistemaSi mxolod reformebis daanonseba da calkeuli mosamarTleebis daniSvna, an ganrideba situacias ver gamoasworebs? ras niSnavs absurdamde dasuli ucxo qveynis moqalaqis qeisi, romelsac qarTuli sasamarTlo biuje- tis saxeliT Zarcvavs?! zurab Todua: exeba qarTvel kacs, romelic 1990 wlidan amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis sruluflebiani moqalaqea. mas saqarTvelosTan mxolod is akavSirebs, rom misi sam- Sobloa da aq hyavs SvilTaSvili. periodulad, saqarTveloSi swored mis sanaxavad Camodis xolme. erT-erTi aseTi vizitis dros, 2015 wlis zafxulSi, igi Tbilisis prestiJul ubanSi samarTaldamcvelebma gaaCeres, gaCxrikes da 50 grami marixuana aRmouCines. sami dRe patimrobaSi hyavdaT, Semdeg ki aRkveTis RonisZieba 10 aTasi laris giraoTi Seucvales. ramdenime dReSi sasamarTlo procesi Catarda, romelmac saproceso SeTanxmeba daamtkica saqarTvelos mTavar prokuraturasa da am adamians Soris, Sesabamisad, biujetis sasargeblod 10 aTasi lariT daajarimes. aseve sasamar- Tlom avtomanqanis marTvis ufleba da is uflebebi CamoarTva, rasac saqarTvelos kanoni narkotikuli danaSaulis winaaRmdeg brZolis Sesaxeb iTvaliswinebs. rac yvelaze sainteresoa, mas CamoerTva saarCevno ufleba, anu aekrZala airCios rogorc kongresmeni, senatori, aseve amerikis prezidenti. aseTi gadawyvetileba miiRo Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlos mosamarTle Sorena guncaZem. me ar maqvs Cemi dacvis qveS myofis konfidencialurobis darRvevis ufleba, misgan nebar- Tva ar gamaCnia gvar-saxelis gam- JRavnebis Taobaze, amitom am adamianis vinaobas ver gisaxelebT, Tumca mTeli pasuxismgeblobiT SemiZlia vTqva, rom es faqti namdvilia da dokumentaciac mogitaneT. Sorena guncaZe „nacionaluri moZraobis” drosac mosamarTle zurab Todua: `260-e muxliT sanqciis gavrceleba ucxo qveynis moqalaqeze sruli paradoqsia!~ gaxldaT. mis mier ganxiluli erT-erTi saqme arc ise saxarbielod damTavrda saqarTvelosTvis evropul sasamarTloSi. Semdeg mas uflebamosilebis vada gauvida, magram mosamarTled kvlav aRadgines. am mosamarTlem evropuli sircxvili aWama saqarTvelos. saubari maqvs saRinaZis saqmeze. guncaZis mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebiT, evrosasamarTlom saRinaZis ukanono patimroba daadgina 6 Tvisa da 24 dRis manZilze. baTu saRinaZe Ss saministroSi policiis maRalCinosani iyo, romelic kaxa kalaZis Zmis mkvlelobis saqmeze daapatimres. mosamarTle mas patimrobis vadas sruliad dausabuTeblad ugr- Zelebda da evrosasamarTlom daadgina, rom es adamiani 6 Tve da 24 dRe mas ukanonod hyavda dapatimrebuli. maSin ase iyo, _ mosamarTles prokurori mimarTavda: patimroba gamigrZele ori TviT, sami Tvi- To da mosamarTleebic sityvis Seubruneblad, dasabuTebis mo- Ziebis gareSe agrZelebdnen vadebs. biujets 15 aTasi evro daujda es saqme evropuli sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebiT, anu saRinaZes es fuli saqarTvelos biujetidan imisTvis gadauxades, rom guncaZe mas ukanonod apatimrebda. es moxda 2011 wels da saRinaZes 2012 wels Tanxa gadauxades. _ amis gamo mosamarTlisTvis pasuxi aravis mouTxovia? _ ra Tqma unda, aravis mouTxovia, sayveduric ki ar uTqvamT. Tumca aqve vityvi, rom mosamar- Tle rom usamarTlo gadawyvetilebis gamo vinmes daesajos, ase- Ti ram saqarTvelos sinamdvile- Si ar momxdara. uamravi ukanono gadawyvetilebaa cnobili, romelic mosamarTleebma gamoitanes, maT gamo adamianebi cixeSi wlobiT iyvnen gamomwyvdeulebi, Semdgom gamarTldnen da devnilis, an politpatimris statusic mieniWaT, magram aravis ufiqria im xalxis dasja, vinc aseTi gadawyvetilebebi gamoitana. aseve vityvi `prezidents SeuZlia, gankarguleba gamosces da aSS-s moqalaqe Seiwyalos, Tumca isic sainteresoa, rogor unda Seiwyalos aSS-s moqalaqe saqarTvelos prezidentma?~ evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebebze, romlebSic aSkarad Cans mosamarTleTa danaSaulis kvali. maTi dasjis precedenti ar arsebobs. mosamarTleTa Sesaferisobas maT TanamdebobasTan garkveuli kanoni wyvets. amitomac arasdros edavebian da arc iTvaliswineben imas, rom mis mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebiT biujeti, an pirovneba dazaralda. Cveni kanonmdeblobiT es gansjadi ar aris. vfiqrob, unda arsebobdes kanoni, romelic aseTi mosamarTleebis pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxs Seexeba, radgan aseT dros, mosamarTlec iqneba, garkveulwilad, gadawyvetilebebis miRebisas SeboWili da misTvis adamianis bedi sulerTi ar iqneba. rogorc vici, sxva qveynebSi es problema ar dgas, radgan iq mosamarTlem icis, rom sakuTari rwmeniT unda miiRos gadawyvetileba da romelime struqturis kabinetebidan wamosuli davaleba ar unda Seasrulos. sxva, civilizebul qveynebSi prokuraturaSi, policiaSi veravin warmoidgens, rom mosamarTles SeiZleba daurekon da konkretuli adamianis mimarT gaagrZelebinon, an Seamcirebinon patimrobis vada. Cven- Tan ki swored ase xdeboda wlebis ganmavlobaSi da axlac gr- Zeldeba. qarTuli sasamarTlos done evropuli standartebidan Zalian Sors dgas. _ Tqven miTxariT, rom mosamarTle guncaZe meoredac air- Cies am Tanamdebobaze. rodesac iusticiis umaRlesi sabWo kandidatis biografias ixilavs mosa- marTlis vakansiaze, angariSs ar uwevs mis gadacdomebs, romelic am samsaxurSi muSaobis dros hqonda? miT ufro, evrosasamar- Tlos gadawyvetileba, sadac am mosamarTlis arakanonier gan- aCenebze weria da amiT biujetma amxela zarali miiRo, maTTvis arafers unda warmoadgendes? _ rogorc Cans, iusticiis umaRlesi sabWos wevrebi am sakiTxebze ar fiqroben, Torem evropis adamianis uflebaTa sasamar- Tlos aseTi daskvna „mglis bile- Ti” unda iyos mosamarTlisTvis da is am sferos saerTod aRar unda gaakaron. etyoba, isini, sxva kriteriumebiT xelmZRvaneloben, roca mosamarTleebs irCeven. _ ra kriteriumebi aqvT, iqneb, mec gamimxiloT? _ iusticiis sabWo am kriteriumebs ar asajaroebs, amitom, Cemi azriT, pirvel rigSi, es aris mor- Cileba. sxvanairad adamiani, romelmac evropis masStabiT sircxvili aWama qveyanas da xalxis yulabac _ biujeti _ soliduri TanxiT daazarala, kvlav mosamarTlis skams rogor unda isaku- Trebdes? CemTvis rom daejerebina da Cemi saCivrebi daekmayofilebina, biujetic xom ar dazaraldeboda. evrosasamarTlom daamtkica, rom me tyuilad ar vCiodi da dausabuTebeli moTxovnac ar mqonia. _ mosamarTleTa biografiebi iseTi sainteresoa, arc ki dagac- adeT aSS-s moqalaqis mosamar- Tlisgan „kuriozulad” dasjis saqmeze saubari. gismenT, gavagr- ZeloT... _ rogor SeiZleba, qarTulma sasamarTlom Tavisi iurisdiqcia, gadawyvetileba sxva qveynis teritoriaze gaavrcelos? es xom ab- 20 20 N1 (178) 17.01-23.01.2017 w.

294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com saqarTvelos prezidentma? surdi da sisulelea? mikvirs, rom es sakiTxi verc prokurorma, verc advokatma da verc mosamar- Tlem gaaanaliza. am saqmeSi axlaxan CaverTe da am adamianis yofil advokatsac amitom Sevexe. rasac geubnebiT, TvalnaTliv weria mosamarTle guncaZis gamotanil gadawyvetilebaSi. plus, am adamians sami wliT pirobiTi msjavri miusajes da TiTqmis yvelafris ufleba CamoarTves, aseve gadaaxdevines 10 aTasi lari. aseTi gadawyvetilebis miRebis ufleba mosamarTles hqonda, mxolod da mxolod, saqarTvelos moqalaqis mimarT, radgan gadawyvetilebis aRsruleba SesaZlebelia Cvens qveyanaSi. sxva qveynis moqalaqeze rom gamogaqvs msgavsi gadawyvetileba, erTi wuTiT xom unda dafiqrdes, rom sxva qveyanaSi aseTi rameebis akrZalvis ufleba ar aqvs, radgan iq Cveni iurisdiqcia macevtul, an saadvokato firmas da miSaobas daiwyebs, an iq arCevnebSi miiRebs monawileobas, maSin rogor aRsruldeba masze miRebuli gadawyvetileba, ar vici. imedia, Tavad guncaZes mainc ecodineba. es pirovneba aSS-Si an afrikaSi saWesTan rom dajdes, mas ukve darRveuli eqneba miRebuli gadawyvetileba da rogor apireben amis gakontrolebas, es am mosamarTles unda hkiTxoT. albaT erTi saStato erTeuli unda gamoeyos probaciis samsaxurs, romelic sami wlis ganmavlobaSi gaakontrolebs, aSS-s moqalaqe daarRvevs Tu ara saqarTvelos ganaCens. fulis gadaxdis SemTxvevaSic mxolod probaciis samsaxurSi gamocxadebisgan iqneba Tavisufali, magram sxva danarCenisgan _ ara. _ da es kaci ar dabrunda col-SvilTan aSS-Si? baze da mxolod jarimiT Semoifargla. es gaakeTa baTumis mosamarTlem da Tbilisis sasamarTlos mosamarTlem raRac absurdi Caidina. rac Seexeba ucxoeTis moqalaqeebis mier sisxlis samarTlis sxva danaSaulis Cadenas, aseT SemTxvevebSi maTze sxva normebi moqmedebs. 260-e muxliT sanqciis gavrceleba ucxo qveynis moqalaqeze sruli paradoqsia. _ gadawyvetileba, romelic guncaZem miiRo, romelime kano- niT akrZalulia? an prokurors ratom unda hqondes samarTle- brivi CarCoebidan amovardnili moTxovnis dayenebis ufleba ro- melime piris mimarT? prokuro uro- ric xom iuristia da man kanoni kargad unda icodes. _ pirdapir getyviT: mosamar- Tles uari unda eTqva prokuraturis ugunur moTxovnaze da mxolod jarimiT unda Semofarg- sasamarTlo Zalian iSviaTad ereva pirveli da meore instanciis sasamarTloebis gadawyvetilebeb- Si. 90% mas ki mimarTavs, magram saqmis ganxilvaze dauSvebeli sakasacio saCivriT uars eubnebian. _ uars eubnebian moqalaqeebs samarTlianobis dadgenaze? _ evropuli samarTliT samarTliani sasamarTlosTvis ori instanciis gadawyvetileba standartad aris miCneuli, magram Tu amas daveyrdnobiT, uzenaesi sasamarTlo arc unda arsebobdes da iq momuSave TanamSromlebi arc unda finansdebodnen biujetidan. arada, faqtia, iq uamravi adamiania dasaqmebuli da metad soliduri xelfasebic aqvT. rom ar arsebobdes es rgoli, ar iqneboda evrostandartis sawinaaRmdego, magram radgan arsebobs, is unda iyos moqmedi da ara butaforiuli. arsebiTad unda ixilavdes iq verT xels, magram Tavad uzenaes sasamarTloSi Tu undaT raimes Secvla, xom SeuZliaT, kanon- proeqti daweron da parlamentSi Seitanon? iqneb, maTma mcde- lobebma Sedegi gamoiRos? _ saakaSvilis mTavrobas kanonmdebloba iqiTken hqonda mimarTuli, rom rac SeiZleboda xangrZlivad SeenarCunebina Zalaufleba. amisTvis maT uamravi norma miiRes rogorc sisxlis, aseve samoqalaqo da sxva samarTalSi da sakanonmdeblo cvlilebebic ganaxorcieles. 2012 wels axali xelisufleba movida da wina mmar- Tveli Zalis danatovari saxelisuflebo berketebi moirgo. isinic SesaniSnavad iyeneben im kanonebs, romelic adeiSvilis dros miiRes. igive xdeba uzenaesi sasamarTlos SemTxvevaSic, prokuraturaSic, radgan kvlav ZalaSia Zveli kanonebi, romelic adre momuSave prokurorebze iyo morgebuli, Tumca amJamadac mSvenivrad iyeneben mas prokuraturis Tanam- Sromlebi da misi Secvlis survilic ar uCndebaT. gansxvaveba is aris, rom am kanonebs da struqturebs winaT „nacionaluri Sorena guncaZe `Sorena guncaZe "nacionaluri moZraobis" drosac mosamarTle gaxldaT. mis mier ganxiluli erT-erTi saqme arc ise saxarbielod damTavrda saqarTvelosTvis evropul sasamarTloSi. Semdeg mas uflebamosilebis vada gauvida, magram mosamarTled kvlav aRadgines. am mosamarTlem evropuli sircxvili aWama saqarTvelos. saubari maqvs saRinaZis saqmeze. guncaZis mier miRebuli gadawyvetilebiT, evrosasamarTlom saRinaZis ukanono patimroba daadgina 6 Tvisa da 24 dRis manZilze. baTu saRinaZe Ss saministroSi policiis maRalCinosani iyo, romelic kaxa kalaZis Zmis mkvlelobis saqmeze daapatimres. mosamarTle mas patimrobis vadas sruliad dausabuTeblad ugrZelebda da evrosasamarTlom daadgina, rom es adamiani 6 Tve da 24 dRe mas ukanonod hyavda dapatimrebuli. maSin ase iyo, - mosamarTles prokurori mimarTavda: patimroba gamigrZele ori TviT, sami TviTo da mosamarTleebic sityvis Seubruneblad, dasabuTebis moZiebis gareSe agrZelebdnen vadebs. biujets 15 aTasi evro daujda es saqme evropuli sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebiT, anu saRinaZes es fuli saqarTvelos biujetidan imisTvis gadauxades, rom guncaZe mas ukanonod apatimrebda. es moxda 2011 wels da saRinaZes 2012 wels Tanxa gadauxades~ ar vrceldeba? aseTia zogadi principi _ kanonis moqmedeba droSi, sivrcesa da pirTa wris mixedviT, romelic, am konkretul SemTxvevaSi, uxeSad dairRva. sasamarTlom es adamiani valdebuli gaxada, kviraSi erTxel mivides probaciis samsaxurSi da daafiqsiros misi saqarTveloSi arseboba. im SemTxvevaSi, Tu is am valdebulebas ar Seasrulebs, probaciis oficers SeuZlia, prokuraturas mimarTos, rom erT-erTma probacionerma kanoni daarRvia, ar Seasrula sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba da gamoZiebis dawyeba moiTxovos, rac erTidan sam wlamde patimrobas iTvaliswinebs. _ anu am adamians 50 gr marixuanis gamo sami wliT saxlSi dab- runebis saSualeba CamoarTves? _ ase gamodis, magram Tu mas unda, rom aSS-Si dabrundes, yovelTviurad soliduri Tanxa unda gadaixados. fulis gadaxdis SemTxvevaSi mas ar mouwevs probacionerisTvis dakisrebuli valdebulebebis Sesruleba, magram Tu ar gadaixdis da arc valdebulebebs Seasrulebs, maSin daapatimreben. am konkretul SemTxvevaSi ki Tu es adamiani aSS-Si dabrunda da arc fuls gadaixdis biujetis sasargeblod yovel Tve, maSin SvilTaSvilis sanaxavad, saqarTveloSi Camosvlis SemTxvevaSi, sazRvarzeve daapatimreben. Tumca Tu es pirovneba aSS-Si saWesTan dajdeba, gaxsnis far- _ diax, wavida da iqidan ixdis patiosnad fuls, rom probaciis samsaxurma masze devna ar daiwyos. e. i. mosamarTlis mier miRebuli usamarTlo da gauazrebeli gadawyvetilebiT qarTuli biujeti aSS-s moqalaqes Zarcvavs. am dReebSi aucileblad mivmarTavT prezidents da vTxovT, rom saswrafod Sewyvitos es ukanonoba. _ prezidenti raRa SuaSia? _ prezidents SeuZlia, gankarguleba gamosces da aSS-s moqalaqe Seiwyalos, Tumca isic sainteresoa, rogor unda Seiwyalos aSS-s moqalaqe saqarTvelos prezidentma? _ Tqven ise saubrobT, ucxoe- Tis moqalaqem saqarTvelos kano- ni Tu daarRvia, igi kanonierad ver daisjeba? _ cxadia, amas ar vambob. Sei- Zleba, ucxoeTis moqalaqe dajarimdes, an daapatimron, magram is, rac guncaZem gadawyvetilebaSi Cawera, absurdia da ukanonoba. msgavsi praqtika ukve mqonda. orjer viyavi advokatad CarTuli ucxoeTis moqalaqis saqmeSi ba- TumSi. erTi iyo serbeTis da meore bulgareTis moqalaqe. prokurorma orivejer moiTxova, rom maTze narkotikuli danaSaulis winaaRmdeg kanoni gavrcelebuliyo, magram sasamarTlom Cemi Suamdgomloba daakmayofila, _ uari uTxra prokurors maTTvis marTvis mowmobis CamorTmevasa da probaciis samsaxurSi gamocxade- luliyo. prokurorebi xSirad iTxoven adamianebis ukanonod dasjas imitom, rom maT ase miaCniaT, magram sasamarTlo imisTvis arsebobs, rom mediatori iyos da gansazRvros, romelia marTali an mtyuani. gadawyvetileba, romlis aRsrulebac SeuZlebelia, mosamarTlem ar unda miiRos. am adamians saqarTveloSi ukve sakmao Tanxa gamosZales. 10 aTasis garda weliwadnaxevris Tanxa aqvs gadaxdili imitom, rom probacia- Si gamocxadeba ar mosTxovon. jamSi es aris 15 aTasamde da procesi kidev grZeldeba. _ mosamarTleebis mier ara- kanonieri gadawyvetilebebis miRebis faqtebi kidev gaqvT? _ es imdenad bevria, rom, albaT, amaze calke unda visaubroT, Tumca gadawyvetilebas arakanonieri rom daarqva, uzenaesi sasamarTlos ZalaSi Sesuli gadawyvetileba unda gekavos xelSi. amas imitom vambob, rom SeiZleba, mosamarTle Semogitrialdes da giTxras, Cemi Sinagani rwmeniT miviRe gadawyvetilebao. bolo wlebis statistika marTalia ar gamaCnia, magram ufro xSirad rom moxdes uzenaesi sasamarTlos Carevebi wina instanciis sasamarTloebis gadawyvetilebebSi, ukeTesi iqneba. uzenaesi sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebebi mxolod formaluri xasiaTisaa da isini ar Sedis sakasacio saCivrebis stilSi. es imas niSnavs, rom uzenaesi saqmeebs, rogorc es gasuli saukunis 90-ian wlebSi xdeboda da Tavidan ar unda icilebdnen mas. arsebiTi ganxilva gulisxmobs imas, rom Tu sakasacio saCivari mxares dasabuTebulad aqvs warmodgenili, sasamarTlom yvela garemoeba unda Seamowmos: uzenaesSic unda Catardes mosamzadebeli sxdomebi, romelsac arsebi- Ti ganxilvebi mohyveba. rodesac mxare dasabuTebulad ambobs, rom pirveli da meore instanciis mosamarTleebma esa da es kanonebi ar gamoiyenes, sakasacio instanciam ratom ar unda ganixilos is? mimaCnia, rom uzenaesma sasamarTlom dakarga Tavisi funqcia da mxolod im SemTxvevaSi facifucobs, roca es xelisuflebas sWirdeba. is ukanonobis dasakanonebel, saxelisuflebo manqanad iqca da mas SeiZleba xelisuflebis mosamsaxure, saTadarigo prokuraturac ki davarqvaT. _ gasagebia, rom „nacionalur moZraobas” uzenaesi sasamarTlo dasWirda da is aseTi formatiT momuSave sasamarTlo sistemis erT-erT rgolad aqcia, magram meocnebe xelisuflebas xom See- Zlo, misTvis pirvandeli saxe daebrunebina? miT umetes, rom mis xelmZRvanelad dainiSna uzenaesi sasamarTlodan devnili mosamarTle, nino gvenetaZe. rode- sac kanonmdeblobis avkargian- obaze vsaubrobT, ratomRac, yovelTvis parlamentisken viS- moZraoba” iyenebda Tavis sasargeblod, axla ki „qarTuli ocneba” _ mmarTveli politikuri Zala iyenebs. Tqvens kiTxvaze, _ uzenaes sasamarTloSi ratom ar icvleba muSaobis wesi? _ me geubnebiT, rom Zvel xelisuflebas ufunqcio uzenaesi sasamarTlo awyobda, rogorc saTadarigo prokuratura da am xelisuflebasac awyobs misi ufunqcioba. amis gamo saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs ukanonobebisgan Tavis daRwevis ori gza darCeniaT: gaurigdnen prokurorsa da miiRon maqsimalurad sasargeblo gadawyvetileba _ saproceso garigeba, andac ibrZolon bolomde da daadgnen evrosasamarTlos gzas. miT ufro, rom uzenaes sasamarTloSi saqmis arsebiT ganxilvaze Zalian swrafad eubnebian uars. uaris Sablonebi aqvT SemuSavebuli da SigniT mxolod gvar-saxelebsa da saqmeebis nomrebs cvlian. amis Semdeg, 6 Tvis ganmavlobaSi, ukve SeiZleba, evropis sasamarTlos mimarTon. aqve vityvi imasac, rom saproceso garigebebis sqemebic ar Seucvlia xelisuflebaSi mosul „ocnebas”, Tumca am SemTxvevaSi gansxvaveba is aris, rom „nacionalebis” dros gacilebiT didi Tanxebi iyo da axla Semcirebulia. am xelisuflebas saprocesoebiT ufro unda, rom SeTanxmebebi moxdes da saqmeebi evrosasamarTloSi ar wavides. mxolod biujetis Sevsebaze ar zrunaven. 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