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laSa berulava 577 20 86 13 „erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis” erT-erTi lideri, nika melia, miiCnevs, rom giga bok- eriam enm-Si sadamsjelo eqspedicia moawyo da es maSin, roca partiidan wasvla ukve gadawyvetili hqonda. misi TqmiT, bokeria imdenad gaaRiziana politsabWos kenWisyris dros dama- rcxebam, rom berketebis flobis SemTxvevaSi, partiaSi droe- biTi dakavebis izolatorsac ki gaxsnida da masac da sxvebsac Casvamda. „qronika+”-Tan saubrisas nika melia arc gigi ugulavas kritikas moridebia da pirdapir Tqva, rom is politpa- timrad da „nacionaluri moZraobis” wevrad Sevida cixeSi, ma- gram iqidan ukve sxva partiis wevrad gamovida. pirveli SekiTxva, rac nika me- lias davusviT, cixeSi myof partiis generalur mdivans, vano merabiSvils ukavSirdeboda: _ Tu aris garkveuli da cnobili, viwro wreSi mainc, ra pozi- cia aqvs vano merabiSvils da apirebs Tu ara is am poziciis gamJRavnebas? _ vano merabiSvili politpatimaria, Cveni partiis generaluri mdivani da Cven yvela misi poziciis dafiqsirebas velodebiT. Cemi informaciiT, is am dromde am dapirispirebaSi ar Careula da arc erTi mxare ar dauWeria, magram, Cveni azriT, man Tavisi pozicia unda gamoxatos da me mjera, rom gamoxatavs kidec. _ uSvebT SesaZleblobas, rom is partiis yrilobis Catarebas elodebodes, rom an gadairCion, an xelaxla airCion generalur mdivnad, mxardaWeris xarisxs daakvirdes da gadawyvetileba amis Semdeg miiRos? _ amaze verafers getyviT, danamdvilebiT mxolod imis Tqma SemiZlia, rom vano merabiSvili politikuri patimaria, is Cveni partiis genmdivania da, rasakvirvelia, yrilobaze, misi nebis sawinaaRmdegod an masTan SeuTanxmeblad ar vapirebT mis gadarCevas da sxva piris arCevas. yvelani velodebiT mis pozicias imasTan dakavSirebiT, Tu sad xedavs sakuTar Tavs. _ gigi ugulavam ganacxada, rom is, jer kidev, 2013 wels upir- ispirdeboda mwvaved mixeil saakaSvils, roca is prezidenti iyo da eubneboda, rom qveynis pirveli piris postisTvis miexe- da, xolo partiis Tavmjdomare sxva yofiliyo. Tqven, vinc 2013 wels mixvediT enm-Si, gsmeniaT Tu ara Tavad ugulavasgan, an vinme sxvisgan am dapirispirebis arse- bobis Sesaxeb? _ ara, rasakvirvelia, aranairi msgavsi dapirispirebisa da saubris Sesaxeb ar msmenia da, saerTod, gigi ugulavas gamonaTqvamebi Cem- Si did gaocebas iwvevs, radgan „nacionalur moZraobaze” ise saubrobs, rogorc ar saubroben yvelaze mwvave kritikosebic ki „qarTuli ocnebidan”. samwuxaroa, magram faqtia. iciT, ra xdeba? gareT rom gaxvide da TavSi aguri dageces, SeiZleba, es marTlac SemTxveviToba iyos, magram cxovrebaSi aris epizodebi, roca TavSi aguris dacemas SemTxveviTobas ver miawer... _ anu kidev erTxel adas- turebT, rom rasac gigi ugulava akeTebs da, zogadad, rac enm-Si moxda, ivaniSvilis xels xedavT? _ rasakvirvelia, ar viqnebi gulwrfeli, am kiTxvaze Tu gipasuxebT, rom ivaniSvilis xels ver vxedav. ivaniSvilis xeli rom Cans gigi ugulavas gamoSvebaSi, esec cxadze cxadia, sxvagvarad vinme fiqrobs? vinmes eWvi epareba, rom ugulava ivaniSvilma daiWira da ivaniSvilmave gamouSva? adre vTqvi da axlac gavimeoreb, me is ufro maocebs, rom es kaci, vinc ivaniSvilma daiWira da ivaniSvilma gamouSva, saakaSvilze brazobs. samwuxaroa, magram faqtia, rom gigi ugulava biZina ivaniSvilma daiWira, rogorc „nacionaluri moZraobis” wev- 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com nika melia: ri, magram is cixidan gamouSva, rogorc ukve sxva partiis wevri... _ is, rom gigi ugulava ivaniS- vilis gamoSvebulia, arc giga bo- kerias uaruyvia, oRond, is amb- obs, rom, adre Tu gvian, yvela po- litpatimari ganTavisufldeba da, ubralod, ugulavasTan mima- rTebiT es adre moxda, radgan sxvadasxva faqtorma, ZiriTadad ki, saerTaSoriso zewolam imoqme- da... _ me kidev erTxel gavimeoreb, rom gigi ugulava politpatimari iyo da cixidan gamosvlis Semdeg is rom mosuliyo partiaSi, xelebi daekapiwebina da eTqva, aba, axla saqmes mivxedoTo, vis moubrundeboda ena mis sawinaaRmdegod? magram is, rac man ganTavisuflebis Semdeg gaakeTa, aranair logikaSi ar jdeba: mas unda warmoaCinos, rom partia daingra da daiSala, rac ase aranairad araa. rogor Sei- Zleba, ase iyos, Tuki partiaSi rCeba umravlesoba da mxolod mcire nawili midis? ase ingreva partia? cxadia, ara. gigi ugulavas pozicia cixis karebSive gaxda cnobili, roca gamovida da „biblioTekis uklonistebi” uwoda jgufs, romelic axla umravlesobaSia. es iyo misi pirveli gzavnili, xolo Semdeg muSaoba swored am mimarTulebiT gaagrZela, rom warmoeCina, TiTqos partia daingra da daiSala... _ TqvenTvis winaswar iyo cno- bili imis Sesaxeb, Tu ra pozicias daikavebdnen giga bokeria da misi mxardamWerebi? _ diax, CemTvis am jgufis sajaro gancxadebamde erTi TviT adre iyo cnobili ori ram: rom bokeria da misi gundi partiidan gegmavda gasvlas da rom ivaniSvili gigi ugulavas yrilobamde gamouSvebda. amis Sesaxeb me saubari mqonda giga bokeriasTanac da gigi ugulavasTanac, roca mas sasjelaRsrulebis dawesebulebaSi Sevxvdi... _ anu Tavdapirveli gegma eg iyo? partiidan gasvlas vgulisx- mob. Tu enm-Si darCenas da, ro- gorc am process Searqves, „saakaSvilisTvis partiis axevas” cdi- lobdnen? `giga bokerias rom berketebi hqonoda, partiaSi droebiTi dakavebis izolators gaxsnida~ _ ara, rasakvirvelia, Tavdapirveli gegma ar yofila partiis datoveba, isini amas ar apirebdnen, giga bokerias gunds rom politsabWos kenWisyris dros ar waego, sadac 7-aTasiani yrilobis Catareba gadawyda. es wageba iyo gadamwyveti faqtori, ris gamoc giga bokeriam, mis gundTan erTad, partiis datoveba gadawyvita da, rac yvelaze metad samwuxaroa, gadawyvita, partia ise daetovebina, rom maqsimalurad evno misTvis: misi iniciativiT partiis centraluri ofisidan gaaTavisufles uamravi adamiani, TanamSromlebi, romlebic mas ar eTanxmebodnen da mis mxardamWerebad ar moiazrebodnen, aseve, bokeriam partiuli siidan amoyara is adamianebi, romlebic mas mxars ar uWerdnen da es yvelaferi gaakeTa maSin, roca partiidan wasvla ukve gadawyvetili hqonda... _ ukve meored axsenebT, rom partiidan wasvla hqondaT gadaw- yvetili. rodidan hqondaT es gadawyvetili? _ rogorc ki giga bokeriam 30 noembris politsabWos kenWisyraze waago, sadac gadawyda, rom mravalaTasiani yriloba Catardeboda, isic da misi momxreebic sajarod Riad gamoTqvamdnen mzadyofnas, rom yrilobis samzadisSi miiRebdnen monawileobas, rom emorCilebi- giga bokeria an politsabWos gadawyvetilebas, rom swored es aris Sidapartiuli demokratia... sinamdvileSi ki sapirispiros sCadiodnen, yvelaferi gaakeTes imisTvis, rom partiisTvis evnoT... sadRac, 5 dekembers, me maT Sevxvdi da velaparake. maSin ukve vicodi, rom partiis datovebas apirebdnen, magram maSin ambobdnen, rom isini ar apirebdnen partiidan wasvlas adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebamde, rac ar iyo gulwrfeli da damajerebeli. es Semdeg maleve gamoCnda kidec. faqti ki isaa, rom rac im kenWisyris wagebis Semdeg giga bokeriam gaakeTa, swored amis gamo iyo, rom „nacionaluri moZraobis” mmarTvelobas ver itandnen _ es iyo angariSsworeba, sadamsjelo eqspedicia... swored es mesmoda amomrCevlebisgan sul enm-s Sesaxeb, rom ki, isini moazrovne xalxia, SeuZliaT reformebis gatareba, magram am reformebis gzaze yvelafers ikadreben da yvelafers gadauvliano... es daadastura swored giga bokerias imdroindelma saqcielma, radgan is, elementarulad, damarcxebas ver Seegua... axla warmoidgineT, rom giga bokerias im minimalur berketze meti hqonoda, rasac partiaSi berketis floba gulisxmobs, Tundac, saxelisuflebo... albaT, misi neba rom yofiliyo, partiaSi droebi- Ti dakavebis izolators gaxsnida da iq Camsvamda mec da yvela sxvasac, imdenad ver Seegua imas, rom damarcxda... _ axla ori sityviT Tqveni kievuri Sexvedrebis Sesaxeb mixeil saakaSvilTan. vici, rom konfidencialuri saubris detaleb- is gamJaRvnebas ar apirebT, magram vTqvaT, imaze Tu ilaparakeT, rom, magaliTad, 20 ianvars yri- lobacaa da aSS-is prezidentis inauguraciac, sadac saakaSvilia miwveuli? _ diax, ra Tqma unda, roca teqnikur detalebze visaubreT, es sakiTxebic gaviareT. cnobilia, rom yrilobaze dagegmilia mixeil saakaSvilis CarTva, rom man enm-s yrilobis delegatebsa da mowveul stumrebs mimarTos da es ise unda gavakeToT, trampis inauguraciaze yofnis gamo xeli ar See- Salos... _ ise, „ocnebis” mxardamWerebi da „SuaSistebis” nawili rom am- boben, inauguraciis bileTebi Cveulebriv iyideba da yvelas SeuZlia misi yidva, saakaSvilmac swored ase iyidao, eg Tu icis? _ Tundac ase SeiZlebodes bileTis yidva, Zalian sasaciloa imis mtkiceba, rom mixeil saakaSvili iq miwvevis gareSe mividoda. rasakvirvelia, me detalebi ar vici, magram, cxadia, rom mixeil saakaSvili inauguracias miwveuli stumris statusiT daeswreba. _ zogadad, ganaxlebuli enm-s marTvaze, distanciis problemaze saubari Tu gqondaT? _ mixeil saakaSvilis pozicia am sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT Secvlili ar aris: is miiCnevs, rom partia ekuTvnis mis mxardamWerebs, aqtivistebs, romlebic adgilze politsabWos wevrebs ndobas gamoucxadeben. ZiriTadi gadawyvetilebebi adgilze miiReba, rasakvirvelia, mixeil saakaSvilTan konsultaciiT, Tumca misi iniciativaa swored is, rom gadawyvetilebebi adgilze iyos miRebuli, rasac Semdeg is mxars dauWers. da, zogadad, „erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis” ganaxleba aris ara is, rom partiuli siis pirveli aTeuli ganaxldeba, aramed swored is, rom partiis marTvis stili Seicvleba da is daubrundeba xalxs, aqtivistebsa da mxardamWerebs, vis mxrebzec gadadis ivaniSvilis araformalur mmarTvelobasTan brZolis mTeli simZime... 6 N1 (178) 17.01-23.01.2017 w.

maka mosiaSvili 599 97 25 55 roca „qronika+”-Si muSaoba daviwye, sakuTari Tavis rwmena gamiaTkecda. arasdros mi- fiqria, rom me erTi viyavi, piriqiT, mas mere zustad vici, rom Cven erTni varT. roca RaribaSvilma gautia da omi gamogvicxada, mivxvdi, rom es omi yvelas gvexeboda, _ redaq- ciasac da qveyanasac. roca RaribaSvili wavida, siamaye gami- aTkecda da mivxvdi, rom es is adgilia, sadac bolomde unda vidge! mere ukve gavacnobiere, rom yvelaferi ar dasrulebula, omi grZeldeboda da ufro metad saSiSi xdeboda, ra- tom? _ miuRebelze midiodnen da cdilobdnen, CvenTvis is ekadrebinaT, rasac Cven mosisxle mtersac ar vakadrebdiT... dRevandeli gadasaxedidan Cans, rom Cven sworad viareT, ukan moxedvis ar SegvSinebia. marTalia, danis wverze gviwevda siaruli, magram sadac si- marTlea, iq mudam gamarjvebaa. gasul wels moZRvrebi, Zve- li megobrebi, naTesavebi da, maT Soris, dedaCemic gafrTx- ilebulebi iyvnen, rom soso didi kacia da maka _ patara... sxvebma ra Tqves, ar vici, magram dedaCemma Sewuxebul ax- lobels upasuxa, _ yvelaze kargad makam icis, ras akeTebs, makaze ukeT aravis ecodineba, vin aris eg soso! dedam es ambavi ise momiyva, rom arc ki ukiTxavs, vin iyo is „viRac so- so”... SiSi mas aqvs, vinc aSavebs, me jer arafris SemSinebia, am- itom 2017 weli amayad daviwye, sosom ki _ SiSiT. „aseTi SeSinebuli aravis ax- sovs. iseTia, sakuTari Tavis rwmenas rom dakargavs adamiani. sofelSi iyo da amdeni we- li rom aravin unaxavs, mgoni, yvela mezobeli da naTesavi moiara, yvela naxa, wlebis mitovebuli megobrebi moinaxu- la, damdurebulebs Seurigda, ise iqceoda, TiTqos zeg aq brundeba da guSin ki araferi ar yofila...” gamarjoba, soso! raRac unda mogiyve... ramdenime dRis win TelavSi erT-erT restoranSi nodiko tatiSvilis saRamo iyo... organizatorma dampatiJa. simarTle giTxra, ar miyvars aseT korporaciul saRamoebze siaruli, magram wavedi. saRamom mSvenivrad Caiara, Telavelma stumrebma ixalises da samaxsovro fotoebic gadaiRes, maT Soris, ramdenime maTganma CemTan er- Tad. ori dRis Semdeg ki yvela saTiTaod momadga da vedrebiT mTxova CemTan erTad gadaRebuli yvela foto wameSala socialuri qselidan, radgan maTi ojaxis wevri mamakacebi sus-Si daibares da, rogorc gairkva, kargadac SeanjRries... me qaluri solidaroba gamoviCine da fotoebi im martivi mizeziT wavSale, rom am qalbatonebisTvis ojaxebSi problemebi amecilebina. Tumca daufiqrebladac mivxvdi, rom problema me ki ara, Sen xar... ratom? im qalbatonebs CemTvis ar uTqvamT, Tumca qalaqi pataraa da yvelafers advilad arkvevs kaci. fotoebis gamo SezarxoSebulma vaJkacebma(!!!) colebs, debs, dedebs Cxubi dauwyes da yvelaferi uTanasworo Zalismier ojaxur konfliqtSic ki gadaizarda... mas mere vfiqrob, ra roli gvaqvs me da Sen saxelmwifos winaSe? Cemi rolia, rac sazogadoebisTvis miuRebelia, xmamaRla vTqva da davwero; Seni rolia, SvebulebaSi yofnis drosac ki saxelmwifo usafrTxoeba „daicva” da yvela ojaxs „safrTxe aarido” Tavidan; Cemi rolia, Seni yvela xuSturi, ai, aq, _ „qronika+”-is furclebze gadmovitano; Seni rolia, saxelmwifo xuSturebis gareSe marTo... finalSi davaskveni, _ Sen Cems qveyanas xuSturebiT mar- Tavdi, sadac iyavi, me ki principebiT mivyvebi saqmes da manamde ar davisveneb, sanam Sens adgils ar daimkvidreb samarTlebriv sivrceSi. ukacravad da „gitydeba”, rom gamxel? vici, ra isterika gemarTeboda, roca Sens 2016 wlis auareba qonebas vamxeldi; depresia gewyeboda, roca Sens uTvalav valebze vsaubrobdi; cofebs yridi, roca Sens arakompetenturobaze vyvebodi statiebSi; sigiJemde migiyvana Seni rolis mxilebam eklesiaSi... me sxvanair stiqarosnebs vaRiareb, Sen sxvanairi xar... qristem vaWrebi eklesiidan gareka, vaWrebi ki ufro daWkviandnen da anaforebi Caicves, CemTvis Sen im vaWarTa seqtis wevri xar... da, Sesabamisad, ar manaRvlebs, ras fiqrob Cemze... erTi patara kaci iyavi da ufro metad daCiavdi... axla vzivar da vfiqrob, ra aris SenTvis yvelaze mtkivneuli?! skami? albaT, ara. Crdili?! mainc sul CrdilSi xar... yvelaze metad arasrulfasovneba maSin gewyeba, roca mand, did qalaqSi, Sens soflelobas usvamen xazs. am dros provincieloba arafer SuaSia, mTavari provincializmia. swored sus-is TaTbiri da CemTan erTad gadaRebuli fotoebic Seni N1 (178) 17.01-23.01.2017 w. 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com sigara Segyvarebia, `don soso!~ `dRevandeli gadasaxedidan Cans, rom Cven sworad viareT, ukan moxedvis ar SegvSinebia. marTalia, danis wverze gviwevda siaruli, magram sadac simarTlea, iq mudam gamarjvebaa. gasul wels moZRvrebi, Zveli megobrebi, naTesavebi da, maT Soris, dedaCemic gafrTxilebulebi iyvnen, rom soso didi kacia da maka - patara... sxvebma ra Tqves, ar vici, magram dedaCemma Sewuxebul axlobels upasuxa, - yvelaze kargad makam icis, ras akeTebs, makaze ukeT aravis ecodineba, vin aris eg soso! dedam es ambavi ise momiyva, rom arc ki ukiTxavs, vin iyo is `viRac soso~... SiSi mas aqvs, vinc aSavebs, me jer arafris SemSinebia, amitom 2017 weli amayad daviwye, sosom ki - SiSiT~ provincielobis TvalsaCino magaliTia. imaze ki ar fiqrob, Secdomas sad uSveb, aramed imaze, ambebi vis moaqvs CemTan... ucxos aravis, isev „Senebs”... 2017 weli Seni zRapris dasasrulia, yvela dasasruls ki dasawyisi mosdevs. 2016 wels erTaderTi ram iswavle, _ Cven ver gviyide. samagierod, vinc iyide, isini isev Sen dagcinian. amboben, „avroram” erTxel mainc unda gaisrolos kacisTvis cxovrebaSio. da, ai, im Senma „avroram” 2013-Si gaisrola, 2016-Si ki „gaRma gaxvedi” da dasrulda Seni „Zlevai sakvirvelic”. Cemi megobari miyveba xSirad Senze: sigara Seuyvarda, rac didi kaci gaxda, misaRebSi „don sosos” eZaxian da ver xvdeba, rogor imcirebs Tavso. 2012- mde, lamis, „primas” eZebda da gadidkacebula. jer sigara ra iyo, eg ver gaigo, bolos ki sigaras xelidan aRar uSvebdao. ivaniSvili momwons Tu ar momwons, is mainc zustad vici, rom Sen ar moswonxar. Seni sruli dosie, Semosaval-gasavali moqalaqis magidaze, jer kidev, Semodgomas Seitanes. Tavad ivaniSvilic ki gaocda, _ RaribaSvilma sruli jiS-jilagiT imdeni ver SeZlo, rac am erTma moaxerxa sakuTari ojaxisTviso, _ uTqvams gaocebuls. rac Seexeba 2017 wels: yvelafers gavakeTeb, rom Sen mier dareketebuli biznesi vamxilo! yvelafers gavakeTeb, rom Sen mier daterorebul biznesmenebs SiSi davakargvino! yvelafers gavakeTeb, rom bankidan groSebad nayidi miwebi kanonier mesakuTreebs daubruno! yvelafers gavakeTeb, rom samarTalma puri Wamos! dabolos ki SenTan erTad gadaviReb suraTs!.. ramdenjer giTxari, ar daijere, kaci da erbo qilas igavi gadaikiTxe da ise ifiqre cxovrebaze-meTqi... maSin, davelodoT momavals... yvelaze metad mainc erT rameSi gedeba brali _ partiebi da politikuri figurebi daaSantaJe da ase gaaqre politikuri arenidan. vwuxvar, rom imaze metad ver gamxile, vidre imsaxurebdi. ara uSavs, 2017 weli Cvenia, mamals ki virTxa ar uyvars... axal wels gilocav, soso! `ramdenime dRis win TelavSi erT-erT restoranSi nodiko tatiSvilis saRamo iyo... organizatorma dampatiJa. simarTle giTxra, ar miyvars aseT korporaciul saRamoebze siaruli, magram wavedi. saRamom mSvenivrad Caiara, Telavelma stumrebma ixalises da samaxsovro fotoebic gadaiRes, maT Soris, ramdenime maTganma CemTan erTad. ori dRis Semdeg ki yvela saTiTaod momadga da vedrebiT mTxova CemTan erTad gadaRebuli yvela foto wameSala socialuri qselidan, radgan maTi ojaxis wevri mamakacebi sus-Si daibares da, rogorc gairkva, kargadac SeanjRries... me qaluri solidaroba gamoviCine da fotoebi im martivi mizeziT wavSale, rom am qalbatonebisTvis ojaxebSi problemebi amecilebina. Tumca daufiqrebladac mivxvdi, rom problema me ki ara, Sen xar... ratom? im qalbatonebs CemTvis ar uTqvamT, Tumca qalaqi pataraa da yvelafers advilad arkvevs kaci. fotoebis gamo SezarxoSebulma vaJkacebma(!!!) colebs, debs, dedebs Cxubi dauwyes da yvelaferi uTanasworo Zalismier ojaxur konfliqtSic ki gadaizarda... mas mere vfiqrob, ra roli gvaqvs me da Sen saxelmwifos winaSe? Cemi rolia, rac sazogadoebisTvis miuRebelia, xmamaRla vTqva da davwero; Seni rolia, SvebulebaSi yofnis drosac ki saxelmwifo usafrTxoeba `daicva~ da yvela ojaxs `safrTxe aarido~ Tavidan; Cemi rolia, Seni yvela xuSturi, ai, aq, - `qronika+~-is furclebze gadmovitano; Seni rolia, saxelmwifo xuSturebis gareSe marTo... finalSi davaskveni, - Sen Cems qveyanas xuSturebiT marTavdi, sadac iyavi, me ki principebiT mivyvebi saqmes da manamde ar davisveneb, sanam Sens adgils ar daimkvidreb samarTlebriv sivrceSi~ 7