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gela mamulaSvili 599 45 50 26 saqarTvelos okupirebuli teritoriebidan iZulebiT gadaadgilebul pirTa, ltolvil- Ta da gansaxlebis saministro devnilTa nawilisTvis 45-lariani daxmarebis gauqmebas apirebs. amis Sesaxeb „erTiani nacio- naluri moZraobis” warmomadgenlebma _ nugzar wiklaurma da beso weredianma isaubres. „Cven xelSi Cagvivarda dokumenti, sadac aRniSnulia, rom saministro apirebs, dawios Semosavlis 1250-lariani zRvari, aseve daxmareba Seuwydes im pirebs, romlebic ar arian dabadebulebi afxazeTsa da cxinvalis regionSi da maT, romlebic qorwinebaSi imyofebian aradevnilebTan. am dokumentis amoqmedeba Zalian mZime humanitarul problemebsa da socialur kriziss gamoiwvevs, radgan devnilTa umravlesoba swored am Semweobebzea damokidebuli. sruliad SesaZlebeli iqneboda, xelisuflebas ezruna biurokratiuli xarjebis Semcirebaze da am SemTxvevaSi aranairi safrTxe am programas ar daemuqreboda. samwuxarod, Cveni xelisuflebis ucodinarobam, arakompetenturobam, korumpirebulobam yvelaferi gaakeTa, rom sazogadoebis gansakuTrebiT daucveli nawili _ devnilebi _ aseTi mZime safrTxis qveS dadgnen”. 28 lela guledani 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com „erTiani nacionaluri” moZraoba devnilTa saministros mouwodebs, xeli aiRos aseTi gadawyvetilebis sisruleSi moyvanaze. „qronika+”-s esaubreba „dev- nilTa partiis” Tavmjdomare _ lela la guledani: _ qalbatono lela, rogor afasebT mosalodnel reformas? _ aseTi strategia, Tavis droze, „nacionalebma” Seqmnes, rom devnilebs aRniSnuli daxmareba gauqmebodaT. maSinac yvelaferi aqeTken midioda. sxva sakiTxia, dRevandel saministroze ras visaubreb. _ maSin, amas riT xsnidnen? _ aRniSnuli strategiis SeqmnaSi ucxoelebi, saerTaSoriso donori organizaciebi CarTuli iyvnen, magram es formaloba iyo da iseTi dokumenti Seqmnes, rogoric maSindel mmarTvelebs awyobdaT. isini pirdapir ambobdnen, rom devnilebis gansaxlebis politika unda gagrZelebuliyo, raTa am gziT „fuli ekeTebinaT”. Zalian kargad viciT, 2008-Sic ramxela Tanxebi daixarja. _ magram gansaxlebis politi- ka devnilTa Semweobis gauqmebas `saministro devnilTa nawilisTvis 45-lariani daxmarebis gauqmebas apirebs~ `me piradad amis meti Semosavali ar gamaCnia. dRes umuSevari var, Cemi da sami bavSvis 180 lari maqvs, iciT, rogor velodebi am daxmarebas Tvidan Tvemde? raRac saqmes xom mikeTebs? davrCebi yovelgvari Semweobis gareSe. me rom aseT dReSi var (partias Semowiruloba ar gaaCnia), amxela pasuxismgebloba makisria (sam Svils marto vzrdi), sxvam raRa unda gaakeTos? kidev kargi da mexmareba, magram rodemde? samuSaos verafriT vpoulob. verc partias vafinanseb. saarCevnod `qarTul ocnebas~ uangarod davexmare, raTa xelisuflebis Signidan ameRo pasuxismgebloba. ramdeni welia, opoziciaSi varT da veranairi Sedegi ver davdeT. TviTon saxelmwifosac gamovadgebi da sakuTar Tavsac realizebas gavukeTeb-meTqi. vin ar daasaqmes, me es ver SevZeli, magram es sxva Temaa~ xom ar gulisxmobda? _ iq pirdapir weria, rom Semweoba saWiroebidan gamomdinare darCeboda. samwuxarod, „qarTuli ocnebis” mTavrobam es strategia ar Secvala, midgomebic igive darCa. yvelaferi isev ucxoelebis direqtivebiT xorcieldeba. sameTvalyureo sabWoSi Tavs aravin Segayofinebs. am fonze ratom iTxoven, Tundac, donorebi Semweobis gauqmebas, CemTvis gaugebaria. roca evropaSi Cadixar, devnilis statusis gaTvaliswinebiT, Semweoba pirdapir geniSneba. iq aravin gekiTxeba, es daxmareba gWirdeba Tu _ ara? maSin qveyana- Si ekonomika ise unda iyos ganvi- Tarebuli da socialuri mdgomareoba im doneze gvqondes, rom dasaqmeba udides problemas ar warmoadgendes. ki, kedlebi daukanone, magram ra Wamos adamianma? me piradad amis meti Semosavali ar gamaCnia. dRes umuSevari var, Cemi da sami bavSvis 180 lari maqvs, iciT, rogor velodebi am daxmarebas Tvidan Tvemde? raRac saqmes xom mikeTebs? davrCebi yovelgvari Semweobis gareSe. me rom aseT dReSi var (partias Semowiruloba ar gaaCnia), amxela pasuxismgebloba makisria (sam Svils marto vzrdi), sxvam raRa unda gaakeTos? kidev kargi da mexmareba, magram rodemde? samuSaos verafriT vpoulob. verc partias vafinanseb. saarCevnod „qarTul ocnebas” uangarod davexmare, raTa xelisuflebis Signidan ameRo pasuxismgebloba. ramdeni welia, opoziciaSi varT da veranairi Sedegi ver davdeT. TviTon saxelmwifosac gamovadgebi da sakuTar Tavsac realizebas gavukeTebmeTqi. vin ar daasaqmes, me es ver SevZeli, magram es sxva Temaa. mokled, devnilTa daxmarebis gauqmeba erTgvari politikuri nebaa, radgan es saxelmwifo strategiaSi adrec iyo da dResac asea im fonze, roca xalxs, TviTon devnilebs, arafers ekiTxebian. „nacionalebmac” gaixsenon, rogor yridnen adamianebs avtobusebidan... es saministro xalxs pativiscemiT mainc epyroba da normalurad mainc elaparakeba. komunikaciac ukeTesia da Sedareba ar aris. _ mkiTxvelisTvis davazus- toT, gansaxlebis SemTxvevaSi devnilebs statusi xom unarCun- debaT? _ RmerTma nu qnas, rom binis gadacemis SemTxvevaSi statusic gaauqmon, radgan dasabrunebeli aRaravin gveyoleba da amiT afxazeTis sakiTxic erTxel da samudamod damTavrdeba. rac Seexeba daxmarebas, es sakiTxi e. w. saWiroebidan gamomdinare wydeba. am sakiTxSi viTom saerTaSoriso mrCevlebis winadadebas eyrdnobian. ras niSnavs saWiroeba? maSin individualurad imuSaon yvela ojaxTan da daadginon, vis sWirdeba es 45 lari da vis _ ara. Tan kargac iciT, es 45 laric ris xarjze gaormagda, erTi jibidan erT devnils amouRes da meores Caudes. anu dRes 1250-lariani xelfasi visac aqvs, mas 45 lari aRar eZleva. _ am xelisuflebam ratom ar Secvala winamorbedis strate- gia? _ arc erTi saxelmwifo uwyebis strategia am qveyanaSi ar Secvlila. da Tu igive xedviT xelmZRvanelob, maSin ra opozicia xar? axali xedviT xom unda moxvide? mesmis, rom saxelmwifos gauWirda da Tanxebis gamoTavisufleba xdeba. biurokratiuli aparati gazrdilia, saakaSvilis drosac didi iyo. CvenTan saxelmwifo uwyebebSi, daaxloebiT, 26% muSaobs, roca evropaSi es maCvenebeli erTi da ori procentia. rodesac saxelmwifo institutebi Senze bevrad Zlieria, mas verafriT moerevi. aRniSnuli biurokratiuli aparati, faqtobrivad, igive darCa. xarjebma, piriqiT, moimata, Statebi gaizarda da a. S. aman biujetis deficiti Seqmna, anu Tanxebis gamoTavisufleba midis. axla mTavrobis davalebaa, rom yvela uwyebidan as-asi kaci gauSvan, TviTon subarmac gaaTavisufla adamianebi. devnilebis gansaxlebis biujeti mwiria da SeiZleba, ministri gamouval mdgomareobaSic iyos. arc adre iyo kargi mdgomareoba, subelians 10 milioni hqonda da dRes biujeti 70 milionia, magram es Tanxa arsebul saWiroebebTan mimarTebiT didi araferia, imdeni problemaa devnil mosaxleoba- Si mosagvarebeli. am fonze verc sesxs iReben, radgan isedac 9- miliardiani vali gvaqvs. magram is mainc Tqvan, sad surT gamoTavisuflebuli Tanxebis gaSveba? isev jibidan jibeSi gadatana xdeba, Tu ras uzamen am Tanxas? devnilebisTvis sxva ram keTdeba, Tu am fuls isev gansaxlebaSi gauSveben? am biujetis monitoringic Zalian rTulia. devnilebSic konsolidirebuli Zala ar aris da maT Canafiqri advilad gauvaT. devnilma rac unda ixmauros, am procesze gavlenas mainc ver moaxdens. rogorc vxedav, es, faqtobrivad, gadawyvetili, sakiTxia. aqeT xalxi gaRizianebulia, _ amdeni manqana, premia, saxelfaso danamati gaicema... sajarod axsnan mainc reformis arsi, Cveni pretenzia swored es aris. Cumad nu keTdeba. xalxisTvis aqamdec unda eTqvaT, rom gviWirs da amis gakeTebas vapirebTo. _ fiqrobT, rom es saTanadod ar xdeba? _ Woris doneze viciT, rom raRac dokumenti ukve gamzadebulia da devnilebma mis Sesaxeb konkretuli araferi ician. dokumentis SemuSavebisas saqmis kursSi xom unda viyoT? ratom unda viWoraoT? e. i. aRniSnuli sakiTxi xistad unda gadawydes. maT- Tvisac ukeTesia, rom amas erTi ambavi ar mohyves. yvela uwyebas xalxTan meti komunikacia unda hqondes. msgavsi gadawyvetilebebi centralizebulad modis da masze veranair zegavlenas ver vaxdenT. Tanxebs rogor daxarjaven, keTili inebon da agvixsnan. _ xarjebi axseneT, ra danaxarjebi unda Seamciros xelisu- flebam, rom devnilTa aRniSnul Semweobas ar Seexos? _ es daxmareba 100 milioni lari jdeba, biujetisTvis imxe- 28 N3 (180) 31.01-6.02.2017 w.

la Tanxa ar aris, rom amiT saswauli zarali ganicados. qveyana- Si uamravi arafrismkeTebeli biurokratiuli struqturaa, aTasobiT ssip-ia da gaauqmon, raRa, maincdamainc, sacodav xalxs uuqmeben am mizerul 45 lars? bolos da bolos, Tu am saministros sakmarisi finansuri resursi ar gaaCnia, mTavroba maqsimalurad unda exmarebodes, raTa elementaruli valdebulebebi Seasrulos. xalxi am daxmarebis gaormagebas elodeboda, amitom mTeli mTavroba mobilizebuli unda iyos, rom ramenairad am mTavrobas, ministrs davexmaroT. am SemTxvevaSi viRacam Tavisi unda daTmos, magram mTavrobis sxdomaze amasTan dakavSirebiT Widaoba midis xolme, kuTvnili resursis gadasrola ar undaT, gaWirvebul xalxze aravin fiqrobs. darwmunebuli var, aqac devnilebisTvis Tanxas veravin gaimetebs, rac Cveni bralicaa. devnili sazogadoeba, Tavis droze, xmas ar viRebT, iseT Zalas ar warmovadgenT, romelsac realur angariSs gauweven. _ proeqtSi aRniSnulia, rom saministro apirebs dawios Semo- savlis 1250-lariani zRvari, ase- ve daxmareba Seuwydes im pirebs, romlebic ar arian dabadebulebi afxazeTsa da cxinvalis regionSi, aseve qorwinebaSi imyofe- bian aradevnilebTan... _ zRvris dawevaze saubari ukve xalxis dacinvaa. ojaxSi erTerTi rom aradevnilia, mas Semweoba isedac ar ericxeba. aq dabadebuli bavSvebisTvis statusis gansazRvra ki cota sxva sakiTxia. amaze mec vfiqrob, raTa es saxelmwifosTvis dausrulebeli problema ar iyos. devnilad, realurad, is miiCneva, vinc saomari mdgomareobidan wamovida da aq dabadebuli devnilad arc unda iTvlebodes. amaSi ver Seedavebi. maSin amiT daiwyon, ar miscen devnilis statusi da, TavisTavad, 45 laric ar miecema. _ aRniSnuli reforma ra Sedegebs moitans? _ xalxSi Zalian didi ukmayofileba iqneba, yuri movkari, xelmowerebi SeiZleba Segrovdes da a. S. xelmowerebis Segrovebis winaaRmdegi ar var da davexmarebi. magram, simarTle giTxraT, devnilebis didi imedi ar maqvs. movlenebis ganviTarebas davelodebiT. aseve afxazeTis umaRlesi sabWos pozicias aravin iTvaliswinebs. mas arc xalxi, arc centraluri xelisufleba arafrad miiCnevs. _ ratom? _ ufunqcioa, reputacia Selaxuli aqvs, xalxis gverdiT arasodes idgnen, xmasac ki ver iReben... zogadad, devnil mosaxleobasac es mTavroba ar uyvars, maT maradmwvane deputatebs vuwodebT. im droidan moyolebuli mxolod sakuTar samuSao adgilebs ufrTxildebian. es mTavroba erTi da igive xalxis xelSia, erTgvari mafiaa, romelsac, sxvaTa Soris, verc erTi mTavroba ver ereva. am sakiTxSi maT azrsac aravin gauwevs angariSs. parlamentSi teritoriuli mTlianobis aRmdgeni droebiTi komisia ar Seqmnila, esec cudi signalia. albaT, male afxazeTis mTavrobas daxuraven, mere Serigebis saministros da devnilTa saministrosac da morCeba amiT yvelaferi. sakonstitucio cvlilebebSic afxazeTis sakiTxi ar figurirebs. saerTod, am procesSi Cven ver vmonawileobT, ar mogvces amis saSualeba. „qarTuli ocnebis” saarCevno programaSi devnilebze erTi sityva ar aris, arc konfliqtebze, _ es Tema maT ar awuxebT. saqarTvelos okupirebuli teritoriebidan iZulebiT gada- adgilebul pirTa, gansaxlebisa da ltolvilTa ministr sozar subaris brifingi dagegmil re- formasTan dakavSirebiT: „devnilis statuss aravin exeba. laparakia, mxolod da mxolod, imaze, rom devnilTa daxmarebis sistema gaxdes metad efeqtiani da metad orientirebuli gaWirvebul, socialurad daucvel, mZime mdgomareobaSi myof devnilebze da ara im adamianebze, romlebsac es daxmareba ar sWirdebaT... didi xania vapirebT devnilTa daxmarebis sistemis reformas, es ar aris axali ambavi, amis Sesaxeb naTlad da mkafiod weria 2015- 2016 wlebis devnilTa saxelmwifo daxmarebis strategiaSi, romelic miRebulia mTavrobis 2015 wlis 4 Tebervlis sxdomaze da swored amis ganxorcielebis morig etapze gadavdivarT, es reforma didi xania, dawyebulia. me ar momismenia da SeiZleba, ukve Tqves kidevac, rom TiTqos devnilis statuss vauqmebT. Tu ar uTqvamT, ukve daiwyeben amis Sesaxeb yvirils. pirdapir minda winaswar vTqva, rom es aris tyuili, devnilis statuss aravin exeba. laparakia, mxolod da mxolod, imaze, rom devnilTa daxmarebis sistema gaxdes ufro metad efeqtiani da metad orientirebuli gaWirvebul, socialurad daucvel, mZime mdgomareobaSi myof devnilebze da ara im adamianebze, romlebsac es daxmareba ar sWirdebaT. magaliTisTvis getyviT, rom am reformis pirveli etapi gatarda 2013 wels, es iyo erTgvari dasawyisi da maSin finansTa saministrom aRmoaCina devnili ojaxebi, romelTa wliuri Semosavali 3 milion lars aRemateboda. am devnili ojaxebis yvela wevri 45 lars iRebda. me mgoni, gasagebia, rom es aris araswori, es aris saxelmwifo finansebis araefeqtiani xarjva. es Tanxa unda moxmardes im devnilebs, romlebsac namdvilad sWirdebaT daxmareba. maSin reforma gatarda, oRond es iyo mxolod nawilobrivi reforma, kerZod, 45-lariani daxmareba im N3 (180) 31.01-6.02.2017 w. 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com adamianebs moexsnaT, romelTa Tviuri Semosavalic 1250 lars aRemateba. 3 milioni laris Semosavlis mqone biznesmens es daxmareba moexsna, Tumca misi ojaxis yvela wevrs kanoniT ufleba darCa, rom miiRos es daxmareba, rac, dameTanxmebiT, ar aris normaluri da saxelmwifo saxsrebis araswori flangvaa. es reforma, pirvel rigSi, gulisxmobs, rom TiToeuli TeTri, romelic reformiT daizogeba, moxmardes, isev da isev, devnilebs, socialurad daucveli devnilebis ekonomikuri mdgomareobis gaumjobesebas da maT socialur daxmarebebs, moxmardeba am devnilebisTvis Semosavlis wyaroebis zrdasa da gaCenas (igulisxmeba dasaqmebis programebi da a. S.), rac yvelaze mTavaria, moxmardeba mSeneblobebs da devnilTa sayofacxovrebo pirobebis gaumjobesebas, rom davaCqaroT mSeneblobebis tempebi. pirobas gaZlevT, es reforma, am mxriv, Zalian seriozul winsvlas mogvcems da ufro naklebi gaWirvebuli devnili gveyoleba. rac yvelaze saocaria, CemTvis es aris „nacionaluri moZraobis” aqtivistebisa da am moZraobis sxvadasxva anasxletis yvirili am Temaze. gansakuTrebiT gaocebuli var, rodesac brifings am Temaze maSindeli ministris, koba subelianis moadgile werediani atarebs. werediani iyo ministris moadgile 2008 wlis 4 dekembers, rodesac maSindelma mTavrobam, am saministros wardginebiT, dadgenileba miiRo, sadac SaviT TeTrze weria, rom yvela devnils, romelmac miiRo saxli, bina, kompensacia an miiRebs binas an kompensacias, uwydeba ekonomikuri daxmareba saxelmwifosgan. rogor iRebdnen maSin binebsa da kompensaciebs da rogor xdeboda dakanoneba, rogor xdeboda `es reforma, pirvel rigSi, gulisxmobs, rom TiToeuli TeTri, romelic reformiT daizogeba, moxmardes, isev da isev, devnilebs, socialurad daucveli devnilebis ekonomikuri mdgomareobis gaumjobesebas da maT socialur daxmarebebs, moxmardeba am devnilebisTvis Semosavlis wyaroebis zrdasa da gaCenas (igulisxmeba dasaqmebis programebi da a. S.), rac yvelaze mTavaria, moxmardeba mSeneblobebs da devnilTa sayofacxovrebo pirobebis gaumjobesebas, rom davaCqaroT mSeneblobebis tempebi. pirobas gaZlevT, es reforma, am mxriv, Zalian seriozul winsvlas mogvcems da ufro naklebi gaWirvebuli devnili gveyoleba~ `didi xania vapirebT devnilTa daxmarebis sistemis reformas, es ar aris axali ambavi, amis Sesaxeb naTlad da mkafiod weria 2015- 2016 wlebis devnilTa saxelmwifo daxmarebis strategiaSi, romelic miRebulia mTavrobis 2015 wlis 4 Tebervlis sxdomaze da swored amis ganxorcielebis morig etapze gadavdivarT, es reforma didi xania, dawyebulia. me ar momismenia da SeiZleba, ukve Tqves kidevac, rom TiTqos devnilis statuss vauqmebT. Tu ar uTqvamT, ukve daiwyeben amis Sesaxeb yvirils. pirdapir minda winaswar vTqva, rom es aris tyuili, devnilis statuss aravin exeba. laparakia, mxolod da mxolod, imaze, rom devnilTa daxmarebis sistema gaxdes ufro metad efeqtiani da metad orientirebuli gaWirvebul, socialurad daucvel, mZime mdgomareobaSi myof devnilebze da ara im adamianebze, romlebsac es daxmareba ar sWirdebaT~ devnilebis gamoyra da gadasaxleba focxoewerSi, bakurcixesa Tu sxvagan, es Tqven Cemze ukeTesad mogexsenebaT. dRes, vinc iRebs binas, an ipoTekur sesxis dafarvis proeqtSi monawileobs, es aris absoluturad nebayoflobiTi procesi, maSindelisgan gansxvavebiT. aseve igegmeba garkveuli inovaciebis Semotana binebiT dakmayofilebis procesSi. erT-erTi inovacia, romelic ukve ganvaxorcieleT, aris ipoTekuri sesxebis dafarvaSi daxmareba. aseve vmuSaobT proeqtze, romelic gulisxmobs, rom Tu devnil ojaxs ar aqvs saxlis mSenebloba damTavrebuli, an aqvs miwa, sadac sacxovreblis aSenebas apirebs, SeiZleba gamovuyoT garkveuli Tanxa... 2003 wlidan moyolebuli am reformis gatarebas daJinebiT iTxovs saxelmwifosgan yvela is saerTaSoriso da arasamTavrobo organizacia, romelic devnilTa sakiTxebze muSaobs. piriqiT, brals gvdebdnen, rom mTavrobas ar aqvs politikuri neba. diax, Cven gvaqvs politikuri neba. amas sWirdeboda momzadeba da Cven axla mzad varT amisTvis. am sakiTxze 2016 wlis noembridan vmuSaobT arasamTavrobo organizaciebTan, donorebTan da saerTa- Soriso organizaciebTan erTad, anu imaTTan, vinc uSualod CarTuli iyo am reformis momzadebasa da lobirebaSi. garda amisa, Sevxvdi eqspertebs da maTac warvudgine es ideebi. am dReebSic vapireb, es Sexvedrebi gavagrZelo. jerjerobiT oficialurad ar aris gadagzavnili mTavrobasa da parlamentSi, Tumca Cemi ideebis Sesaxeb mTavrobas vesaubre, guSin Sevxvdi saparlamento umravlesobis ramdenime liders da, praqtikulad, maTgan sruli mxardaWera gvaqvs, rom es reforma unda gatardes. ra modeliT gatardeba reforma, amaze jer ar arsebobs konsensusi, imitom rom muSaoba midis. muSaobis procesSi ganxiluli iyo absoluturad miuRebeli modelebic, modelebi romlebic misaRebia, magram iseT efeqts ver mogvcems... vfiqrob, nel-nela vuaxlovdebiT saWiro models da rogorc ki donorebTan, eqspertebTan, saerTaSoriso da arasamTavrobo organizaciebTan erTad am modelze CamovyalibdebiT, mere gavacnobT mas mTavrobasac, parlamentsac, uSualod devnil sazogadoebas, legitimur struqturebs: afxazeTis, „samxreT oseTis” da im xuTi municipalitetis, rogoric aris kodoris, Ti- Rvis, eredvisa da ase Semdeg, devnilebs. maTTan Cven jer ar dagviwyia am Temaze muSaoba. mTeli am xnis ganmavlobaSi, 2016 wlis noembridan dRemde, intensiurad da naklebi intensivobiT manamde vmuSaobdiT im arasamTavroboebTan da donorebTan, romlebic msgavsi reformebis iniciatorebi iyvnen. es procesi ar xdeboda zurgs ukan, 2016 wlis noembersa da dekemberSi me amis Sesaxeb „maestrosa” da „palitra tv”-is eTerSi vilaparake, detalebi ar damikonkretebia, Tumca imas, rom am reformas vatarebT, yvelgan da yovelTvis vambob da amas gavakeTebT aucileblad, rom gaWirvebul devnilebs davexmaroT. sanam modelze saboloo gadawyvetileba ar iqneba, Tanxebze laparaki SeuZlebelia. am saminitros biujeti aris 85 milioni lari, aqedan 70 milioni lari xmardeba devnilTa binebiT dakmayofilebas. es aris Cveni umTavresi prioriteti, rom sanam dabrundebian, yvela devnils hqondes Rirseuli cxovrebis pirobebi. maSin, roca devnilTa socialur daxmarebebze, mTlianobaSi, ixarjeba 150-160 milioni da am Tanxis didi nawili ar aris efeqtiani, imitom rom adamianebs vurigebT 45 lars, miuxedavad imisa, mis ojaxs sWirdeba es Tu ar sWirdeba. Cven vapirebT davexmaroT imaT, visac es sWirdeba da es aranairad ar exeba statuss. Cven varT erTaderTi qveyana, romelic ambobs, rom devnils unda hqondes iseTive Rirseuli sacxovrebeli pirobebi sakuTrebaSi, rogoric aqvT qveynis danarCen moqalaqeebs”, _ ganacxada sozar subarma. 29