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ojaxis saerTo proeqti<br />

troli aSS-s nacionaluri usafrTxoebis<br />

prioritetad iqca.<br />

aqve davZenT, rom kisinjeri sicocxlis<br />

bolomde sargeblobda<br />

rokfelerebis ojaxis finansuri<br />

mxardaWeriT. ase da amirgad,<br />

kisinjeris memorandumi „NSSM<br />

200" vaSingtonis oficialur politikad<br />

iqca ganviTarebad qveynebSi,<br />

maT Soris, mosaxleobis ricxovnobis<br />

zrdis gakontroleba,<br />

rac ukve TavisTavad gulisxmobda<br />

mosaxleobis ricxovnobis Semcirebas.<br />

_ memorandumis moqmedeba<br />

dResac grZeldeba?<br />

_ 1975 wels kisinjeris Semcvlelad<br />

nacionaluri usafrTxoebis<br />

sakiTxebSi mrCevlis postze<br />

brent skoukrofti dainiSna,<br />

romelic, mogvianebiT, kisinjeris<br />

biznespartniori gaxda. mas<br />

ekuTvnis sityvebi: „aSS-s lideroba<br />

aucilebelia mosaxleobis<br />

zrdasTan sabrZolvelad, raTa<br />

ganxorcieldes programa msoflio<br />

erebis ricxvnobis regulirebis<br />

Sesaxeb”.<br />

_ da es yvelaferi Riad cxa-<br />

ddeboda?<br />

_ kisinjeris es dokumenti<br />

„NSSM 200", moniSnulia, rogorc<br />

„saidumlo” da ucnobia 1989 wlamde.<br />

sxvaTa Soris, am dokumentSi<br />

weria: „msoflios moTxovnileba<br />

samrewvelo produqtebze weliwadSi<br />

2,5%-iT gaizrdeba, maSin<br />

rodesac niadagis mTeli resursi<br />

ukve aTvisebulia. ase rom,<br />

damatebiTi sakvebi SeiZleba miviRoT<br />

mxolod mrewvelobis gazrdisa<br />

da ufro didi raodenobis<br />

mosavlis aRebis Semdeg”. swored<br />

am memorandumis Semdeg vaSingtonma<br />

izruna, rom msoflio<br />

banksa da euTos mosaxleobis ricxovnobis<br />

regulirebis programa<br />

mieRo, rogorc oficialuri<br />

politika. 1970-iani wlebidan<br />

dawyebuli msoflio bankis yvela<br />

programa ganviTarebad qveynebze<br />

iyo mibmuli im kuTxiT, rom mosaxleobis<br />

ricxovnobis zrda gakontrolebuliyo.<br />

_ Tqven xSirad axsenebT memorandumSi<br />

Semaval ganviTare-<br />

bad qveynebs. CamogviTvaleT<br />

isini.<br />

_ „NSSM 200" memorandumSi<br />

Riad aris CamoTvlili: indoeTi,<br />

pakistani, bangladeSi, indonezia,<br />

tailandi, nigeria, filipinebi,<br />

eTiopia, meqsika, brazilia da<br />

kolumbia. am CamoTvlili qveynebidan<br />

TiToeulSi 1974 wels seriozuli<br />

socialuri, ekonomikuri<br />

da politikuri Zvrebi moxda.<br />

_ ra bedi ewia memorandums<br />

Semdgom _ buSisa da obamas<br />

prezidentobis periodSi?<br />

_ buSis prezidentobis dros<br />

memorandumis winaaRmdeg ukve<br />

Riad gailaSqres gavlenianma ka-<br />

Tolikurma jgufebma. maTi slogani<br />

iyo „ufleba sicocxleze”<br />

da buSi iZulebuli axda, maTTvis<br />

daeTmo.<br />

_ Tqven soflis meurneoba axseneT.<br />

am dros es erT-erTi umniSvnelovanesi<br />

dafinanebis sferoa<br />

„rokfeleris fondis-<br />

Tvis”.<br />

_ 1971 wels „rokfeleris fondma”<br />

„fordis fondTan” da msoflio<br />

bankTan erTad daaarsa sakonsultacio<br />

jgufi saerTa-<br />

Soriso agrarul kvlevebze<br />

(CGIAR), romelsac 16 sakvlevi<br />

centri mTel msoflioSi aqvs da<br />

romelTa umetesoba ganviTarebad<br />

qveynebSia ganTavsebuli. ama-<br />

Si fondi 350 milion dolars<br />

xarjavs weliwadSi. programis mizania<br />

genmodificirebuli kulturebis<br />

moyvana ganviTarebad<br />

qveynebSi.<br />

_ saqarTveloSi Tu moqmedebs<br />

es programa soflis meur-<br />

neobis sferoSi?<br />

_ dResdReobiT CGIAR msoflio<br />

bankis egidiT muSaobs da 20<br />

ganviTarebad qveyanaSi cdilobs<br />

sponsorebis mozidvas. ufro dagikonkretebT:<br />

„rokfeleris fondi”,<br />

msoflio banki, Monsanto da<br />

sxva agrogigantebi erTad arian<br />

Tavmoyrili, ase vTqvaT, CGIARis<br />

samoqmedo qolgis qveS. amrigad,<br />

garda imisa, rom „rokfeleris<br />

fondma” didi wvlili<br />

Seitana CGIAR-is SeqmnaSi, fondi,<br />

aseve, ZiriTadi donori iyo<br />

agro-bioteqnikuri saerTaSoriso<br />

samsaxurisa, igive ISAAA-is.<br />

_ ISAAA-is saagentoc fonds<br />

ekuTvnis?<br />

_ ISAAA, Tavdapirvelad, Seqmnili<br />

iyo „Zmeb rokfelerebis<br />

fondis” TanxebiT da misi mizani<br />

gaxldaT dapatentebuli bioteqnologiebis<br />

gadatana msoflios<br />

korporaciuli industruli<br />

laboratoriebidan samxreTis miwaTmoqmed<br />

qveynebSi. aq erTi<br />

metad mniSvnelovani faqtoria<br />

gasaTvaliswinebeli: ISAAA-is<br />

mier „rokfeleris fondis” garda<br />

finansdeba: kompania Monsanto<br />

(aSS), Syngenta (Sveicaria), Dow<br />

AgroSciences (aSS), Pioneer Hi-Bred<br />

(aSS), Cargill (aSS), Bayer CropScience<br />

(germania), aseve US-AID.<br />

_ kidev erTxel dagvikonkre-<br />

teT, ras akeTebs „rokfeleris<br />

fondis” mier Camoyalibebuli<br />

ISAAA-si?<br />

_ maTive ganmartebiT, ISAAAsi<br />

propagandistul aqciebs atarebs<br />

genmodificirebuli kulturebis<br />

mimarT negatiuri damokidebulebis<br />

aRmosafxvrelad.<br />

_ Tu gaqvT informacia, saqa-<br />

rTveloSi am kuTxiT ra xdeba?<br />

_ yoveleve es imitom CamogiTvaleT,<br />

rom „rokfeleris fondi”<br />

saqarTveloSi aqamde Riad<br />

arasodes Semosula. is ki ara,<br />

arc dafiqsirebula. yovel Sem-<br />

TxvevaSi, me ar gamigia. magali-<br />

Tad, kargad iciT, rom saakaSvilis<br />

mTavroba calsaxad uWerda<br />

mxars aSS-s mTavrobas (buSsac da<br />

obamasac). orive prezidentis saarCevno<br />

kampaniis erT-erTi damfinanseblebi<br />

rokfelerebi iyvnen,<br />

magram saakaSvils „rokfeleris<br />

fondi” ar Semouyvania. ratom?<br />

Zalian skandaluri<br />

Sleifi moyveba Monsantos<br />

da imitom. ratom gadawyda,<br />

rom „ocnebis”<br />

xelisuflebis dros<br />

SemoeyvanaT, ai, ar<br />

mesmis. Tan, es meriis<br />

proeqti, ra aris,<br />

ver gavige?! narmaniaze<br />

akeTeben<br />

cdebs? anu meria<br />

saxelisufleboc<br />

aris da nebismier<br />

dros SeuZliaT<br />

Tqvan, rom ar aris<br />

N4 (181) 7.02-13.02.2017 w.<br />

nika CitaZe<br />

saxelisuflebo? Tavad gansajeT,<br />

dResac ki, ISAAA-si (kidev<br />

vimeoreb, „rekfeleris fondis”<br />

mier daarsebuli organizacia)<br />

iseTi kompaniebis moqmedebas gansazRvravs,<br />

rogorebic arian:<br />

Monsanto, DuPont, Cargill, Dow Agrisciences,<br />

Syngenta, Bayer AG da sxva<br />

bioteqnologiuri gigantebi,<br />

romlebic, Tavis droze, mwvane<br />

revoluciebis mizezi gaxdnen.<br />

„qronika+” Seecada, Tavad<br />

gark<br />

rkveuliyo, konkretulad, ra<br />

proeqtebi unda ganaxorcielos<br />

„rokfeleris” fondma Tbilisis<br />

meriasTan mimarTebiT? es gaxlavT<br />

umsxvilesi msoflio koncerni,<br />

dafuZnebuli ojaxur bi-<br />

znesze, sakmaod skandaluri<br />

preistoriiT, genmodificirebuli<br />

kvlevebis umsxvilesi dam-<br />

finansebeli da ganviTarebad<br />

qveynebze orientirebuli ara-<br />

samTavrobo organizacia.<br />

nini mTvaraZe _ meriis sazogadoebasTan<br />

urTierTobis sam-<br />

saxuris mTavari specialisti:<br />

_ rom ar dagimaloT, sazoga-<br />

doebisTvis absoluturad ga-<br />

nini mTvaraZe<br />

urkvevelia, konkretulad, ras<br />

afinansebs meriaSi „rokfeleris<br />

fondi”? meriis mier gavrcele-<br />

bul gancxadebaSi naTqvamia, rom<br />

fondi daafinansebs mrCevels<br />

mdgradobis sakiTxebSi. es, ra,<br />

feikia?!<br />

_ Cven movxvdiT msoflios 100<br />

qalaqs Soris. maT Soris aris<br />

barselona, parizi, niu-iorki da<br />

a. S.<br />

_ movxvdiT ras niSnavs, konkursSi<br />

gavimarjveT? anu Sei-<br />

Zleboda, ver movxvedriliyav-<br />

iT?<br />

_ es niSnavs, rom programaSi<br />

Cagvsves.<br />

_ ra programaSi?<br />

_ mdgradobis sakiTxebSi, anu<br />

stresebTan da SokebTan mdgradobis,<br />

maT Soris Sedis: stiqiebi,<br />

endemuri Zaladoba, sxvadasxva<br />

saxis socialuri sakiTxi.<br />

_ socialuri sakiTxebi?<br />

_ magaliTad, umuSevroba. jer<br />

unda Seiqmnas pozicia _ mdgradobis<br />

sakiTxebis mmarTveli, romelic<br />

qalaqis mdgradobis<br />

strategias dawers, sadac gaiwereba<br />

qalaqSi moqmed stresebTan<br />

da SokebTan dakavSirebuli<br />

brZolis gzebi.<br />

_ am mdgradobis strategiaSi<br />

wyaldidobebTan brZola da<br />

umuSevarTa dasaqmeba erT kat-<br />

egoriaSi ganixileba?<br />

_ ase martivad ar iqneba.<br />

_ ratom gadawyvita „rokfe-<br />

leris fondma”, maincdamainc,<br />

axla Semosuliyo saqarTvelo-<br />

Si?<br />

_ „rokfeleris fondma” ratom<br />

gadawyvita, ver getyviT. SegiZliaT,<br />

maT internetgverdze<br />

SexvideT da iq naxoT.<br />

_ iq ras vnaxav, TbilisSi ra-<br />

tom SemovdivarTo?<br />

_ iq naxavT yvelafers.<br />

_ ratom Semodis fondi<br />

axla, rodesac aSS-s axlad<br />

arCeulma prez-<br />

identma<br />

trampma<br />

rokfelerebs aq-<br />

tivebi SeuzRuda<br />

da, popularuli<br />

eniT rom vTqvaT,<br />

Statebidan<br />

„daifrina”?<br />

_ vaime, Zalian<br />

arameriis sakiTxebze<br />

melaparakebiT.<br />

_ fonds Tavis<br />

qveyanaSi mo-<br />

qmed xelisuflebasTan problemebi<br />

aqvs da saqarTvelos xelisuflebasTan<br />

garigebaSi Semodis.<br />

Cemi kiTxva amas exeba.<br />

_ aseT detalebze namdvilad<br />

ver gipasuxebT.<br />

„qronika+” politolog nika<br />

CitaZes daukavSirda:<br />

_ saqarTveloSi ukve wlebis<br />

ganmavlobaSi funqcionirebs<br />

„sorosis fondi” Tavisi warmomadgenlis,<br />

„saqarTvelo _ Ria sazogadoebis”<br />

saxeliT. buSis administraciis<br />

pirobebSi igi gaxsnilad<br />

moqmedebda, vinaidan kargad<br />

mogexsenebaT, rom sorosi mxars<br />

uWers demokratebs. „sorosis<br />

fondis” garda aris sxva fondebic,<br />

romlebic demokratebs<br />

uWeren mxars, Tundac erovnuldemokratiuli<br />

instituti, romelic<br />

demokratiul partiasTan<br />

TanamSromlobs da a. S. miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom aSS-s interesebs<br />

problema ar SeqmniaT, Tu „rokfeleris<br />

fondi” saqarTveloSi<br />

Semova, ubralod, ramdenad savaraudoa,<br />

rom igi meriaSi rames<br />

daafinansebs?..<br />

_ meriaSi ukve dagvidas-<br />

tures...<br />

_ anu oficialur doneze<br />

gamodis?!<br />

_ diax da Cveni kiTxva swored<br />

es gaxlavT: ramdenad SesaZlebe-<br />

lia, rom konkretulma biznesma,<br />

ojaxurma klanma, daafinansos<br />

saqarTvelos saxelisuflebo<br />

rgolis konkretuli Tanamde-<br />

boba?<br />

_ es cota eqstraordinaruli<br />

Temaa, Tumca zogierTi fondi<br />

samTavrobo struqturebs afinansebs.<br />

magaliTad, „marSalis<br />

fondi” saxelmwifo struqturebsac<br />

afinansebs igive infrastruqturis<br />

xelSewyobaze konkretul<br />

saministroSi. magaliTad,<br />

saqarTveloSi „marSalis” warmomadgeneli<br />

„Savi zRvis mxardaWeris”<br />

fondia.<br />

_ kargiT, sxvanairad davsvam<br />

kiTxvas, _ sad _ rokfeleri da<br />

sad _ narmania?<br />

_ marTla Zalian sainteresoa.<br />

SeiZleba, globaluri daTbobis<br />

Temac Tu aris mand, vinaidan<br />

mdgradobazea gaangariSebuli.<br />

mecnierTa gaTvlebiT, bolo aTi<br />

wlis ganmavlobaSi temperatura<br />

0,9 gradusiT gaizarda. didi nawili<br />

modis qalaqebze, miuxedavad<br />

imisa, rom, zogadad, qalaqebze<br />

saxmeleTo teritoriis mxolod<br />

3% modis, magram, amave dros, samrewvelo<br />

nawili, „smogi”, romelic<br />

iqmneba da a. S., garkveul problemas<br />

qmnis garemos gaWuWyianebasa<br />

da globalur daTbobasTan<br />

dakavSirebiT. ucnauria,<br />

ubralod, rom axlo aRmosavleT<br />

evropis qveynebidan da postsab-<br />

WoTa sivrcidan mxolod Cven<br />

movxvdiT.<br />

_ aqamde Tu gsmeniaT „rokfe-<br />

leris fondze” saqarTvelo-<br />

sTan mimarTebiT?<br />

_ ar msmenia arc „rokfeleris”<br />

da arc „fordis fondTan”<br />

mimarTebiT. fondebis Sesaxeb<br />

maqvs ki informacia, magram, ZiriTadad,<br />

aq „sorosis fondi”<br />

saqmianobda da erTi periodi iyo<br />

„makarturis fondi”.<br />

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