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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
yovelkvireuli gazeTi<br />
eqskluzivi<br />
SamaTi,<br />
soso!<br />
gamodis samSabaTobiT N30 (207) 15.08<br />
08.201<br />
.2017 fasi 2 lari<br />
gv. 7<br />
vin daemuqra<br />
irakli kobaxiZes<br />
Tanamdebobidan<br />
gadayenebiT? gv.<br />
gv. 2<br />
daviT sayvareliZe:<br />
`mixeil saakaSvili<br />
ukrainaSi Semova<br />
ori fexiT da<br />
ori xeliT,<br />
rogorc<br />
gavida~<br />
gv. 4<br />
zurab guruli:<br />
`mTavroba, Tavis<br />
winamorbedTan<br />
dapirispirebiT,<br />
zians ayenebs<br />
saxelmwifo<br />
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gv. 16<br />
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komfortis zona<br />
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arCevnebis mTavari<br />
intriga, _ iqneba<br />
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gv. 10<br />
omi, pompiero<br />
da vaSli<br />
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gia xuxaSvili:<br />
`dRes saakaSvili<br />
`bomJad~ ki ara,<br />
faqtobrivad,<br />
msoflio<br />
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`Ss ministris ki<br />
ara, xelisuflebis<br />
pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxi unda<br />
dadges!~<br />
daviT xarSilaZis gverdi<br />
gv. 8<br />
roca formianebs<br />
sjeraT Seni<br />
udanaSaulobis!<br />
`qronika+~-is Semdegi nomeri gamova 19 seqtembers<br />
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eliso kilaZe<br />
599 17 12 12<br />
gadaWarbebis gareSe SeiZleba<br />
Tqma, rom kaxa TargamaZis Semdeg arc erTi Zalovani uwyeba<br />
imden skandalSi ar gaxveula, ramdenSic „qarTuli ocnebis”<br />
sus-i da Sinagan saqmeTa saministro.<br />
giorgi kvirikaSvili<br />
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gauCndaT. 2012 wlis arCevnebidan<br />
moyolebuli, „qarTuli<br />
ocneba” sakuTar amomrCevels<br />
mudmivad samarTlianobis aRdgenis<br />
lozungiT da saqarTvelos<br />
mesame prezidentis, mixeil<br />
saakaSvilis daWeriT apurebda.<br />
aRmoCnda, rom yvela es<br />
dapireba, ubralod, blefia da<br />
realurad saqarTvelos xelisuflebas<br />
saakaSvili arc eqstradirebuli<br />
sWirdeba da arc<br />
dakavebuli.<br />
Strana.ru-ze gamoqveynebul Canawers<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa saministros<br />
gancxadeba mohyva, rom<br />
msgavsi saubari ar Semdgara da<br />
arc Canaweria avTenturi, rasac<br />
rusma satelefono xulignebma<br />
sapasuxo reaqciiT upasuxes<br />
da, amjerad, Sinagan saqmeTa<br />
ministrTan vaiber mimoweris<br />
aslebi gamoaqveynes. amasTan,<br />
mzadyofna gamoTqves, rom Canaweris<br />
dedani nebismier eqspertizas<br />
gadascen da Ss ministris<br />
privatnomeric gamoaqveynon.<br />
erTi satelefono CanaweriT<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa ministrma pre-<br />
mixeil saakaSvili<br />
vin daemuqra irakli kobaxiZes<br />
Tanamdebobidan gadayenebiT?<br />
jer iyo da leqso WikaiZem<br />
gviTxra, rom saqarTveloSi yofili<br />
xelisufleba „pakriSkebis<br />
revoluciisTvis” emzadeba<br />
da mTeli qveyana saburavebis<br />
sawyobebs veZebdiT; mere „ukrainuli<br />
vikiliqsis” mier gamoqveynebul<br />
Canawerebze saxelmwifo<br />
gadatrialebis muxliT<br />
ori gamoZieba daiwyo.<br />
„ocnebis” istoriaSi yvelaze<br />
skandaluri personebi mainc<br />
giorgi mRebriSvili da soso<br />
gogaSvili aRmoCndnen. gogaSvili<br />
sakuTari gauazrebeli da<br />
araprofesionaluri qmedebebiT,<br />
korufciiT da nepotizmiT,<br />
xolo giorgi mRebriSvili<br />
sruli arakompetenturobiT,<br />
ugunuri gancxadebebiT.<br />
afgan muxTarlis gatacebis<br />
saqmis mere rusi hakerebis mier<br />
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Ss ministris karierul winsvlaSi<br />
gadamwyveti iqneba. miuxedavad<br />
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umravlesobis ramdenime wevri<br />
iumorSi cdilobs skandaluri<br />
Canaweris gadatanas, xelisuflebaSi<br />
mainc didi Tavsatexi<br />
mieri kvirikaSvilic gaaxvia<br />
skandalSi da „rebiata” saqar-<br />
Tvelos prokuraturidan, romlebic,<br />
giorgi mRebriSvilis<br />
ganmartebiT, aseve iziareben<br />
pozicias, rom saakaSvilis eqstradireba<br />
saWiro ar aris, misgan<br />
gmiris Seqmna aravis unda,<br />
rom umjobesia, saqarTvelos<br />
mesame prezidenti, ubralod,<br />
bomJi iyos.<br />
es satelefono skandalis<br />
erTi da Ria mxarea. saqmeSi Caxeduli<br />
adamianebi amboben, rom<br />
realurad rusi satelefono<br />
xulignebi „vovani” da „leqsusi”<br />
rusuli specsamsaxuris TanamSromlebi<br />
arian da swored<br />
rusuli fsb-s daxmarebiT axerxeben<br />
sxvadasxva saxelmwifos<br />
maRali Tanamdebobis piris<br />
Caweras.<br />
ratom dasWirda rusul specsamsaxurs<br />
saqarTvelos mTavrobisa<br />
da Sinagan saqmeTa ministris<br />
satelefono skandalSi<br />
gaxveva?<br />
oridan erTia: an saqarTvelos<br />
xelisufleba rusebsac atyuebda,<br />
rom isini yvelafers<br />
cdiloben, raTa saakaSvili<br />
daiWiron da saqarTveloSi Camoiyvanon,<br />
werilebs werilebzec<br />
agzavnian ucxoeTSi, magram<br />
mas amerika mfarvelobs<br />
da amitom eqstradireba ar<br />
xdeba. rusebma xelisuflebis<br />
cremlebis ar daijeres da testic<br />
sakmaod warmatebuli aRmoCnda.<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa ministrma<br />
wvrilad dafqva, rom saakaSvilis<br />
gareSe es qveyana dawynarda<br />
da misi Camoyvana aravis<br />
interesSi ar Sedis.<br />
„qronika+”-is wyaros infor-<br />
giorgi margvelaSvili<br />
petro poroSenko<br />
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irakli kobaxiZe<br />
kaxa kalaZe<br />
maciiT, ukrainis prezident petre<br />
poroSenkos saqarTveloSi<br />
vizitis dros sul sxva gegma<br />
ganixileboda.<br />
poroSenko ambobda, rom ase<br />
umizezod mas saqarTvelosTvis<br />
saakaSvilis gadmocema ar<br />
SeuZlia, radgan is ukrainis<br />
moqalaqea da samarTlebrivad<br />
amis gakeTeba Zneli iqneba, magram<br />
Tu saakaSvils saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqeobas daubruneben,<br />
is avtomaturad dakargavs<br />
ukrainis moqalaqeobas. ra wamsac<br />
es moxdeba, mas ukraineli<br />
samarTaldamcvelebi borkilebs<br />
daadeben da saqarTveloSi<br />
gamoistumreben.<br />
iusticiis ministri da mTavari<br />
prokurori didxans ganixilavdnen<br />
saakaSvilisTvis moqalaqeobis<br />
dabrunebis sakiTxs.<br />
samarTlebrivad, amisTvis saWiro<br />
iyo mesame prezidentis piradi<br />
mimarTva amJamindeli prezidentisadmi.<br />
saakaSvilis<br />
mxridan msgavsi Txovna kategoriulad<br />
gamoricxuli iyo, amitom<br />
saxelisuflebo wyaros<br />
cnobiT, wulukiani iTxovda,<br />
gadacema „arCevanSi” gasuli saakaSvilis<br />
interviu gamoeyenebinaT<br />
sajaro mimarTvad, sadac<br />
is misTvis saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis<br />
CamorTmevis procedurebze<br />
Riad saubrobda.<br />
amave wyaros cnobiT, xelisuflebis<br />
avantiuraSi monawileobaze<br />
uari ganacxada saqar-<br />
Tvelos moqmedma prezidentma,<br />
giorgi margvelaSvilma da am<br />
sqemiT ukrainisTvis saakaSvilis<br />
CamoSorebis perspeqtiva<br />
sruliad bundovani gaxda, swored<br />
amitom miiRo ukrainis prezidentma<br />
sruliad gauazrebeli<br />
gadawyvetileba da amerikis<br />
SeerTebul StatebSi myof odesis<br />
yofil gubernators moqalaqeoba<br />
CamoarTva. amis miuxedavad,<br />
mixeil saakaSvilma<br />
Statebi datova, evropis ramdenime<br />
qveyanaSi imyofeboda, am-<br />
Jamad, ojaxTan erTad ungreT-<br />
Si isvenebs da ukrainaSi dasabruneblad<br />
emzadeba. misi erTnairad<br />
eSinia sami qveynis xelisuflebas.<br />
saSinao skandalebis fonze,<br />
arc sagareo frontze aqvs<br />
„ocnebis” xelisuflebas saqme<br />
kargad.<br />
marTalia, qveynis ZiriTadi<br />
kanonis, konstituciis axali<br />
proeqti ori mosmeniT ukve miiRes<br />
parlamentSi, magram misi<br />
legitimacia mainc eWvqveS<br />
dgas. „veneciis komisia” ambobs,<br />
rom konstitucia farTo politikuri<br />
konsensusiT da opoziciis<br />
monawileobiT unda miiRon,<br />
saWiroa kompromisebi da<br />
molaparakeba sazogadoebis<br />
farTo fenebis CarTulobiT.<br />
swored amitom „veneciis komisiis”<br />
Tavmjdomare jani bukikiom<br />
6 seqtembers qarTuli<br />
opozicia TavisTan miiwvia Semdgomi<br />
konsultaciebisTvis.<br />
ras upirispirebs xelisufleba<br />
am nabijs? jerjerobiT, mxolod<br />
dapirispirebas da dialogis<br />
ararsebobas. parlamentis<br />
darbazSi xelisufleba marto<br />
darCa da mis mimarT yvelaze<br />
loialurad ganwyobili<br />
opoziciac ki quCis aqciebisTvis<br />
emzadeba.<br />
saqarTveloSi cxeli zafxuli<br />
dgas, rogorc pirdapiri, ise<br />
politikuri mniSvnelobiT. amerikis<br />
SeerTebuli Statebis vice-prezidentis<br />
viziti da mis<br />
mier sajarod gaJRerebuli antirusuli<br />
ritorikis mesijebi<br />
Zalian mkafio gzavnilia rogorc<br />
ruseTis, ise saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebisTvis, rom amerika<br />
strategiuli partnioris funqcias<br />
inarCunebs da is ar apirebs<br />
saqarTvelos marto mitovebas<br />
rusuli agresiis pirispir.<br />
am fonze kidev ufro Tval-<br />
Si sacemia yofili premieris,<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis gauCinareba<br />
politikuri arenidan. is mxolod<br />
erTxel gamoCnda qeTi meluas<br />
koncertze da isic ise,<br />
rom mediasTan komentarebi ar<br />
gaukeTebia. ivaniSvilis mxardaWera<br />
jer ar miuRia Tbilisis<br />
merobis kandidat kaxi kalaZes,<br />
metic, „qarTuli ocnebis” politikuri<br />
liderebi amboben,<br />
rom adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
arCevnebi ivaniSvilis<br />
gareSe Caivlis. is am procesebSi<br />
aqtiurad ar CaerTveba.<br />
Tbilisis meris savarZlis-<br />
Tvis brZola kaxi kalaZisTvis<br />
martivi ar iqneba. zaal udumaSvili,<br />
aleqsandre elisaSvili,<br />
elene xoStaria, irma inaSvili,<br />
dimitri lorTqifaniZe, _<br />
es im pirebis, jerjerobiT, arasruli<br />
CamonaTvalia, romlebmac<br />
Tbilisis meris postze<br />
kandidaturebi ukve daayenes.<br />
kaxi kalaZe saarCevno kampaniisas<br />
ZiriTad aqcents axalgazrdebze<br />
akeTebs. man ukve gaaJRera<br />
saarCevno kampaniis<br />
erT-erTi mTavari mesiji, _<br />
TbilisSi Ramis cxovreba unda<br />
avaRorZinoTo. kaxi kalaZe saxeldeba<br />
aseve im kanonproeqtis<br />
mTavar lobistad, romelic saqarTvelos<br />
parlamentSi ukve<br />
inicirebulia da romelic narkopolitikis<br />
liberalizacias<br />
isaxavs miznad. kanonis miRebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi, cixis gisosebs mi-<br />
Rma bevri adamiani aRmoCndeba,<br />
romelic narkotikebis SeZena-<br />
Senaxvaze da moxmarebaze ixdis<br />
sasjels.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, am kanonproeqtis<br />
mimarT xelisuflebis SigniT<br />
araerTgvarovani damokidebulebaa.<br />
mas mowinaaRmdegeebi<br />
Tavad umravlesobis deputatebs<br />
Soris hyavs, dapirispireba<br />
iqamde misula, rom parlamentis<br />
Tavmjdomare irakli<br />
kobaxiZe kanonproeqtis saswrafod<br />
miRebas jer daTanxmebia,<br />
mere retrogradebis gavleniT<br />
uari uTqvams, _ parlamentSi<br />
bunti iqnebao. kobaxiZis<br />
am gancxadebas marTla mohyolia<br />
parlamentSi bunti. masTan<br />
kaxi kalaZis megobrebi da Tanamoazreebi<br />
Sesulan da uTqvamT,<br />
_ Tu kanonproeqti Cavardeba,<br />
sajaro gancxadebebs gavakeTebT<br />
da Tavmjdomaris<br />
postidan gadagayenebTo. situacia<br />
isev kalaZis uSualo CareviT<br />
ganmuxtula da seqtembris<br />
pirvelsave sesiaze kanonproeqtis<br />
miRebaze SeTanxmebulan.<br />
cxadia, es procesi kalaZes<br />
seriozul dividendebs moutans<br />
da is arCevnebSi axalgazrdebis<br />
mxardaWerasac moipovebs.<br />
giorgi mRebriSvili<br />
aleqsandre WikaiZe<br />
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da gaerTiandes erTi miznis qveS,<br />
qveyana unda ganTavisufldes oligarqiuli<br />
mmarTvelobisgan. qveyanas<br />
sWirdeba gamocdili Zala,<br />
romelic SeaCerebs ukusvlas da<br />
qveyanas win waiyvans. saqarTvelo<br />
patara qveyanaa da mas sWirdeba<br />
iseTi Zala, iseTi personebi, vinc<br />
Tavisi dauRalavi SromiT, masStabiT,<br />
qarizmiT, mTeli ZalisxmeviT<br />
aqaCavs qveyanas saerTaSoriso arenaze,<br />
gazrdis interess qveynis<br />
mimarT, moizidavs investorebs,<br />
aaRorZinebs ekonomikas. ivaniSvils<br />
es amocanebi ar gaaCnia, ivaniSvili<br />
saqarTvelos uyurebs,<br />
rogorc mis mier privatizebul<br />
patara qveynas, romelic sWirdeba<br />
saTavisod, sakuTari usafrTxoebis<br />
uzrunvelsayofad. mas ar<br />
ainteresebs, ekonomika ra dReSia,<br />
ras grZnobs xalxi, misTvis mTavaria,<br />
rom Tavad da misi klani<br />
iyos xelSeuxebeli, mTavaria, rom<br />
mis Zalauflebas ar daemuqros<br />
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_ batono daviT, poroSenkos<br />
cnobilma gadawyvetilebam mixeil<br />
saakaSvilisTvis moqalaqeobis<br />
CamorTmevis Taobaze, ramdenad<br />
Secvala politikuri sura-<br />
Ti ukrainaSi, ra ganwyobaa sazogadoebaSi,<br />
politikur speqtr-<br />
Si?<br />
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gadawyvetilebam imdenad SokSi<br />
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fena, rom is adamianebic ki<br />
dafiqrdnen da daiWires Cveni mxare,<br />
vinc aqamde kritikulad iyo<br />
ganwyobili Cven mimarT. imitom,<br />
rom arc adamianurad da arc politikurad<br />
es nabiji gamarTlebuli<br />
ar iyo da ar aris. iseTi<br />
STabeWdileba rCeba, rom TviTon<br />
prezidenti poroSenko aris dabneuli<br />
da veRar gaugia, rogor<br />
gamovides am situaciidan. Tu<br />
aqamde zogierTi ar gamoricxavda<br />
da ambobda, rom saakaSvili Sei-<br />
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da es dapirispirebebi specialurad<br />
xdeboda, axla yvela darwmunda,<br />
rom ase ar aris da es namdvili<br />
opoziciuri Zalaa.<br />
Cveni moqmedebebi amas cxadyofda.<br />
dRes, am yvelafris Semdeg,<br />
xalxis ganwyoba Zalian braziania.<br />
aseTi meTodebiT politikuri oponentis<br />
devna da gagdeba qveynidan<br />
ukrainelebisTvis miuRebelia.<br />
es yvelaferi maT axsenebs<br />
warsuls, wina prezidentebs, maT<br />
Secdomebs, rogor damTavrda ma-<br />
Sin is yvelaferi, kargad gvaxsovs<br />
da am SemTxvevaSic analogiuri<br />
ram meordeba. es yvelaferi, samwuxarod,<br />
mas Semdeg moxda, rac<br />
prezidenti poroSenko vizitiT<br />
imyofeboda saqarTveloSi da ivaniSvils<br />
Sexvda. ilaparakes rezidenciaSi.<br />
rogorc Cans, es molaparakeba<br />
Sedga. sabolood raze<br />
SeTanxmdenen, ar vici, magram mar-<br />
Tali giTxraT, ar mgonia, ivaniSvils<br />
Zalian undodes saakaSvili<br />
saqarTveloSi nebismieri formiT.<br />
ar mgonia, mas awyobdes aseTi kalibris<br />
adamianis politikur patimrad<br />
yola, romelic konsolidacias<br />
gamoiwvevs Zalian bevri<br />
adamianis, romelic dRes SeiZleba<br />
modunebulia, imedgacruebulia<br />
da a. S. amitom davelodebiT<br />
movlenebs, vdgamT nabijebs, mis<br />
dabrunebas velodebiT ukrainaSi,<br />
ra formiT, ra gziT da ra procedurebis<br />
gavliT, amas Tavad gamoacxadebs,<br />
albaT, ramdenime dRe-<br />
Si, da yvelaferi kargad iqneba.<br />
politikuri Zala ukve arsebobs,<br />
gaviCineT Zalian bevri partniori.<br />
es gadawyvetileba prezidentma<br />
poroSenkom mas Semdeg miiRo,<br />
rac gancxadeba gavakeTeT 400 saerTo<br />
moqmedebis Stabis SeqmnasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT. es Stabebi iqmneboda<br />
imisTvis, rom Semodgomaze<br />
mogveTxova politikuri klasis<br />
gadatvirTva, parlamentis axali,<br />
vadamdeli arCevnebi. am politikur<br />
Zalas unda aeRo iniciativa,<br />
rom politikuri klasi ukrainaSi<br />
gadatvirTuliyo, rac saSualebas<br />
mogvcemda dagvewyo realuri<br />
gardaqmnebi da reformebi.<br />
swored amis Semdeg moxda is,<br />
rac moxda, realurad mas eSinia<br />
nebismieri kargad organizebuli<br />
politikuri Zalis. magram poroSenko<br />
cdeba, es Stabebi mainc<br />
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aqtiurad davdivarT did qalaqebSi,<br />
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SeTanxmdebodnen telefoniT, an<br />
sxva teqnologiebis gamoyenebiT?<br />
riT iyo gamowveuli es aucile-<br />
bloba?<br />
_ satelefono komunikaciam<br />
SesaZloa gaJonos da yvela Temaze<br />
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ver isaubreb,<br />
ufro metad sariskoa,<br />
vidre piradi<br />
Sexvedra.<br />
margvelaSvilTan<br />
Sesaxvedrad<br />
rom ar Cavida poroSenko,<br />
axla magaSi<br />
eWvi aravis epareba.<br />
Sexvda im adamians,<br />
romelic dRes<br />
saqarTveloSi araformaluri<br />
mmarTvelia,<br />
mTavari mmarTveli, viszec<br />
dRes, samwuxarod,<br />
damokidebulia nebismieri<br />
qarTvelis yoveldRiuroba,<br />
momavali<br />
da keTildReoba. am adamianTan<br />
Sedga es saubari.<br />
_ TviTon es gadawyvetileba<br />
gasagebia, risTvisac iyo gamiznu-<br />
li, rom mixeil saakaSvils ar<br />
hqonoda arCevnebSi uSualod<br />
monawileobis saSualeba, magram<br />
es ver SeuSlis xels mis partias,<br />
rom arCevnebSi miiRos monawile-<br />
oba.<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, xels ver SeuSlis!<br />
_ arc daasustebs misi ukrain-<br />
aSi aryofna? Cven vnaxeT, rom<br />
misma saqarTveloSi aryofnam,<br />
garkveulwilad, daasusta „na-<br />
cionaluri moZraoba”. xom ar<br />
moxdeba igive ukrainaSi, Tu mix-<br />
eil saakaSvili iq ver iqneba?<br />
_ ukrainaSi sxvagvari situaciaa,<br />
aman ufro meti stimuli misca<br />
partiis bevr wevrs da bevr<br />
adamians, sxva politikur partiebsac,<br />
raRac gamaerTianebeli roli<br />
iTamaSa. sazogadoebam es imis<br />
niSnad miiRo, rom prezidenti poroSenko<br />
cdilobs, politikuri<br />
procesi moklas ukrainaSi. ukraina<br />
sakmaod Tavisuflebismoyvare<br />
qveyanaa da ar dauSvebs politikuri<br />
procesis ganadgurebas. poroSenko<br />
ver Caklavs politikur<br />
process am qveyanaSi, iseve rogorc<br />
es scades da ver SeZles misma<br />
winamorbedebma. es aris droebiTi<br />
movlena da piriqiT, aman gamoiwvia<br />
ufro meti konsolidacia<br />
politikur speqtrSic da sazogadoebaSic<br />
da dajereba imisa, rom<br />
es aris erTaderTi da yvelaze<br />
Zlieri opoziciuri Zala.<br />
_ rodesac poroSenkom es<br />
gadawyvetileba miiRo, maSin iTq-<br />
va, rom es, saboloo jamSi, axal<br />
maidans gamoiwvevda.<br />
_ axali maidani ara mgonia, rom<br />
moxdes, magram moxdeba farTomas-<br />
Stabiani civilizebuli protesti<br />
da esec, saakaSvilisTvis moqalaqeobis<br />
CamorTmevac, protestis<br />
erT-erTi komponenti iqneba, ara<br />
mTavari, SeiZleba, magram erT-er-<br />
Ti seriozuli komponenti am protestis.<br />
es protesti isedac mwifdeboda,<br />
es Stabebi uamisodac iqmneboda,<br />
xdeboda koordinacia yvela<br />
sxva mTavar opoziciur, aqtiuri<br />
Zalebis liderebTan da warmomadgenlebTan<br />
regionebSi. daiwyeba<br />
is, rac dagegmili gvqonda.<br />
ra Tqma unda, moqalaqeobis warTmeva<br />
ufro gaamZafrebs am yvelafers.<br />
_ upasporto mixeil saakaS-<br />
vili, romelsac, am etapze, arc<br />
romelime qveynis moqalaqeoba<br />
aqvs da arc aranairi statusi<br />
garda erTi statusisa „mixeil<br />
saakaSvili”, dadis qveynidan qveyanaSi,<br />
uReben kars, iReben pativ-<br />
iT. iuridiulad es ra fenomenia<br />
da Tu gaxsendebaT rame msgavsi<br />
precedentebi?<br />
_ msgavs precedentebs<br />
ver dagisaxelebT, raRac<br />
problemebi Sei-<br />
Zleba hqoniaT politikur<br />
liderebs<br />
sxvadasxva qveyanaSi<br />
da adgilas, magram<br />
polone-<br />
Tis SemTxvevaSi<br />
moxda<br />
is, rom<br />
polonelebma<br />
naxes,<br />
bazaSi<br />
hqondaT<br />
informacia,<br />
pasporti<br />
iyo gauqmebuli, magram<br />
pirvelive zaris Semdeg<br />
xelmZRvanelobasTan<br />
SemouSves, miaciles. aseTi<br />
adamianebis TvalSi, gansakuTrebiT<br />
Tavisufal samyaroSi da aRmosavleT<br />
evropaSi, miSas didi avtoriteti<br />
da reputacia aqvs. es<br />
poroSenkos, ivaniSvilisa da, saerTod,<br />
oligarqebis mdgomareobas<br />
ufro amZimebs, vinaidan isini<br />
metad da mkveTrad sasacilod gamoiyurebian<br />
im situaciaSi, rodesac<br />
aravin cnobs saakaSvilze<br />
SeTiTxnil sisxlis samarTlis<br />
saqmeebs. mecineba xolme, am bolo<br />
periodSi daumatebiaT mkvleloba,<br />
raRacis ganadgureba, miTviseba-moTviseba,<br />
ubralod, sasaciloa<br />
ukve da aRaraferSi jdeba es<br />
yvelaferi. ruseTis garda, aravin<br />
amas yuradRebas ar aqcevs, axla<br />
daemata poroSenko, imitom rom<br />
ukrainaSic da saqarTveloSic<br />
dRes igive situaciaa, rac ruseT-<br />
Sia, oligarqati marTavs am qveynebs<br />
da erTbaSad moxdeba am problemis<br />
gadawyveta.<br />
_ im fonze, rodesac igive<br />
poloneTi zarzeimiT xvdeba<br />
saakaSvils, uSveben upasportod,<br />
Cveni prokuratura, Tea wuluki-<br />
ani, poloneTs sTxovs mis gadmo-<br />
cemas. es isteriis ra fazaa?<br />
saerTod dakarges realobis SegrZneba,<br />
adekvaturad aRqmis un-<br />
ari?<br />
_ wulukiani is ministria, romlis<br />
araadekvaturobaSi ukve mravali<br />
welia, davrwmundi, Cemi mand<br />
yofnis periodSic da merec. wulukianis<br />
moTxovna gamomdinareobs<br />
misi warsulidan. am adamianma<br />
ganacxada, rom mamamisis qrTamze<br />
dapatimrebas aravis apatiebda da<br />
Tavisi cxovrebis azrad da funqciad<br />
daisaxa „nacionaluri moZraobisa”<br />
da mixeil saakaSvilis ganadgureba.<br />
es qali amiT cxovrobs<br />
da axla ivaniSvilis xelis ramdeni<br />
ministri, dawyebuli premierministriT<br />
_ damTavrebuli wulukianiT,<br />
raRacas ibJuturebs,<br />
ar mgonia, es seriozulad gansaxilveli<br />
iyos. amaze raime seriozuli<br />
komentaris gakeTeba, ubralod,<br />
SeuZlebelia.<br />
_ saqarTveloSi mimdinare<br />
movlenebs Tvals adevnebT, kar-<br />
saa momdgari arCevnebi, faqtia,<br />
rom xelisufleba ecdeba gayalbebas,<br />
rogor ganviTardeba mov-<br />
lenebi da sadaa gamosavali?<br />
_ gamosavali aris sazogadoebis<br />
gaerTianeba. yvela saRad moazrovne<br />
adamianma unda gadados<br />
imedgacruebac, piradi ambiciebic<br />
daviT sayvareliZe:<br />
`mixeil saakaSvili<br />
ukrainaSi Semova ori<br />
fexiT da ori xeliT,<br />
rogorc gavida~<br />
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ac ver arTmeven Tavs. daaTrevs<br />
xeebs, aSenebs Tavis baRs isteriulad<br />
da saerTod ar ainteresebs<br />
am qveynis mosaxleobis interesebi.<br />
vinc ar mosula miliardebiT<br />
da ar wava xelisuflebidan miliardebiT,<br />
aseTi adamianebis xel-<br />
Si unda dabrundes saxelmwifos<br />
mmarTveloba, me ar vambob, rom es<br />
unda viyo me, an saakaSvili, magram<br />
saxelmwifos mmarTvelobaSi unda<br />
dabrundnen idealistebi. yvelas<br />
daewyo imedgacrueba, bevr idealists<br />
ar sjera dRes, rom saqarTvelo<br />
SeiZleba kvlav dadges fexze,<br />
es aris cudi tendencia da<br />
amisTvis unda moxdes erTgvari<br />
gamococxleba, sazogadoebis gaerTianeba.<br />
_ SeuZlebelia ar dageTanxmoT,<br />
sazogadoeba marTlac im-<br />
edgacruebulia da bevrs aRarc<br />
sjera, rom es qveyana isev fexze<br />
dadgeba, magram, Cemi azriT, im-<br />
edgacruebis fesvebi kidev ufro<br />
Rrmadaa wasuli da mizezebi isev<br />
sazogadoebaSia saZebni. gulwr-<br />
felad getyviT, „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” ise CamoSorda xelisu-<br />
flebas, mis danergil sikeTeebs<br />
Cemamde, Cemnairebamde TiTqmis<br />
arc mouRwevia, Tu ar CavTvliT<br />
usafrTxo quCas, momspar koruf-<br />
cias. magram mqonda imedi, rom,<br />
adre Tu gvian, es winsvla im fe-<br />
nasac Seexeboda, romelsac veku-<br />
Tvni, magram Seicvala xelisufleba<br />
da amiT damTavrda yve-<br />
laferi. axla, isev rom movides<br />
xelisufleba da Tavidan daiwy-<br />
os qveynis Seneba, sanam is sikeTe<br />
Cemamde mova, isev gamoxteba es<br />
sazogadoeba, maSindeliviT mo-<br />
swyindeba progresi, cxadia,<br />
droebiT, magram im mowyeniloba-<br />
Si, sanam Cemamde moaRwevs qvey-<br />
nis warmateba, xelisuflebas<br />
Secvlian da isev airCeven sxvas,<br />
romelic ukan daxevs qveyanas. da<br />
ase vivliT mojadoebul wreze...<br />
_ ara mgonia... es aris Cveulebrivi<br />
procesi da am Cveulebrivi<br />
procesis dros adamiani eCveva<br />
progress da miaCnia, rom asec<br />
unda iyos. verc axali Taoba da<br />
verc wina Taoba verafers gansakuTrebuls<br />
ver xedavs da verc<br />
gaamtyuneb, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
dRes aris Suqi, gazi, sapatrulo<br />
policia muSaobs, xelfasebi<br />
droulad gaicema, SeiZleba didi<br />
xelfasebi araa, magram racaa,<br />
droulad rigdeba, krimianli ar<br />
TareSobs ise, rogorc TareSobda,<br />
yvela doneze araa korufcia<br />
da a. S. cxra weli ar iyo sakmarisi<br />
imisTvis, rom qveyana srulfasovnad<br />
damdgariyo ekonomikuri<br />
da politikuri ganviTarebis Seuqcevad<br />
gzaze, amas sWirdeba meti<br />
dro. amitom vambob, rom yvela<br />
unda gaerTiandes, gansakuTrebiT<br />
axalgazrda Taoba unda mixvdes,<br />
rom oligarqiuli mmarTveloba<br />
qveyanas progress ver moutans. im<br />
qveynebSi, sadac oligarqiuli<br />
mmarTvelobaa, aris sibnele, maT<br />
Soris ganaTlebaSic, axalgazdrobaSic,<br />
cnobierebaSic. politikis<br />
keTebis Tamasac da qveynis ganvi-<br />
Tarebis Tamasac ivaniSvilma Zalian<br />
dabal daiyvana. rodesac igi<br />
axali Semosuli iyo politikaSi<br />
da raRac sisuleles rom daabrexvebda,<br />
Cven gvecineboda. rodesac<br />
mis gancxadebebze komentireba<br />
gviwevda, marTla gvecineboda,<br />
es ra sisulele Tqva da ras bodialobs<br />
es kaci da a.S., magram dRes<br />
ukve ise mieCvia am yvelafers<br />
xalxi, rom aRarc reagirebs mis<br />
sisuleleebze aRarc ecineba. samwuxarod,<br />
esaa dRevandeli politikuri<br />
yofa da es unda damTavrdes,<br />
imitom rom amis ufleba<br />
saqarTvelos fizikurad ar aqvs<br />
da ar SeiZleba hqondes aseT patara<br />
qveyanas, rodesac TiToeuli<br />
investori sadevni, saloliavebeli<br />
da saferebelia. xelisuflebaSi<br />
yofnisas, imisTvis rom Sedegi<br />
yofiliyo, TiToeul proeqtze<br />
viyaviT gadarTuli yvela, visac<br />
saxelmwifo savarZeli gveWira, an<br />
ar gveWira. miuxedavad imisa, Sedioda<br />
Tu ara Cvens uflebamosilebaSi<br />
es funqcia, yvela viyaviT<br />
gaerTianebuli saxelmwifo axali<br />
religiis Sesaqmnelad, es religia<br />
iyo saxelmwifos mSenebloba,<br />
rac axla aRar aris. saerTod<br />
ver gaigeb, ra xalxia, saidan modian...<br />
qveynis erTaderTi mTavari<br />
niusmeikeri aris jejelava, daaxeTqebs<br />
raRacas da masze keTdeba<br />
mTeli kvira komentarebi.<br />
_ bolos yovelgvari rekordi<br />
moxsna _ wignebis da codnis nacvlad<br />
skolebSi vaSlebis darige-<br />
bas apirebs.<br />
_ sisulele Tqva, magram misi<br />
es winadadeba xom ganixileba?<br />
zogi icinis, zogi Riziandeba,<br />
araferi xom ar icvleba? im sofelSi<br />
yvela idioti xom ar iyo,<br />
romelic arqifo seTurma Tavis<br />
yaidaze moiyvana? ase cdilobs<br />
ivaniSvili Tavis yaidaze moargos,<br />
jejelavas yaidaze moargos saqarTvelo<br />
saboloo jamSi. xalxi<br />
amas, samwuxarod, eCveva, axalgazrdobac<br />
eCveva.<br />
_ Tqven ramdenjerme axseneT<br />
gaerTianeba, es Tema dRes saqa-<br />
rTveloSic aqtiurad trialebs,<br />
Tqveni yofili TanamebrZolis<br />
mxridan, vgoneb, Tqven sxva tipis<br />
gaerTianebas gulisxmobT da ara<br />
im tipis gaerTianebas, romelsac<br />
gulisxmobs giorgi vaSaZe. is aqtiurad<br />
mouwodebs, metic, aiZu-<br />
lebs politikur speqtrs gaer-<br />
Tianebisken, praimerisken, erTi<br />
kandidatis gamosavlenad.<br />
_ ara, me ar veTanxmebi politikuri<br />
Zalebis amgvar gaerTianebas.<br />
ar vTvli, rom wvril-wvrili,<br />
uresurso partiebis gaer-<br />
Tianeba rames moitans. saubrob<br />
sazogadoebis konsensusze. unda<br />
gaerTiandnen sazogadoebis aqtiuri<br />
Zalebi, xalxi, romelic axalia<br />
moZraobaSi, politikaSi, an<br />
axla apirebs Cabmas, unda rom uS-<br />
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velos qveyanas. unda gaerTiandnen,<br />
ar aqvs mniSvneloba, visi dro-<br />
Sis qveS, mTavaria, iyos erTiani<br />
idea, rom oligarqiuli mmarTveloba<br />
damTavrdes saqarTveloSi<br />
da movides is xalxi, visac namdvilad<br />
surs ideisTvis brZola da<br />
ara piradi usafrTxoeba da piradi<br />
interesebis dakmayofileba. am<br />
miznis dakargvaze, idealizmis<br />
dakargvis safrTxze maqvs saubari.<br />
es mizani, idealizmi, namdvilad<br />
hqonda „nacionalur moZraobas”<br />
da me amiT vamayob da yovelTvis<br />
viamayeb. meamayeba, rom<br />
var im saxelmwifo moxeleebisa da<br />
prokurorebis rigidan, vinc<br />
valebiT da sabanko kreditebiT<br />
wavediT umaRlesi saxelmwifo<br />
Tanamdebobebidan, rasac namdvilad<br />
veravin ityvis ivaniSvilis<br />
jibis ministrebsa da prokurorebze.<br />
amitomac am idealizmze da am<br />
ideisTvis brZolis da enTuziazmis<br />
dabrunebaze maqvs saubari. sazogadoebis<br />
mxridan iniciativa<br />
unda aiRos axalgazrdobam.<br />
_ Tqven brZaneT, rom wvril-<br />
wvrili partiebis gaerTianeba<br />
arafers moitans. kargs arafers<br />
moitans, Torem motaniT rogor<br />
ar moitans? maTTan gaerTianeb-<br />
ul „nacmoZraobas” daakargvinebs<br />
eleqtoratis mxardaWeras. „nacionalur<br />
moZraobas” mouwodeben,<br />
gaerTiandes opoziciur partiebTan,<br />
maT Sorisaa, misgan wa-<br />
suli jgufebi. „nacionaluri mo-<br />
Zraobis” myari eleqtoratis<br />
nervebze gadaiara am jgufebis<br />
wasvlam, es eleqtorati gverdiT<br />
edga am procesebSi „nacmoZra-<br />
obas”, maTTan erTad ganicdida,<br />
nerviulobda, da Tu dRes enm is-<br />
ev SeuerTdeba maT, ra Tqma unda,<br />
es eleqtoratSi mZafr gaRizianebas<br />
gamoiwvevs. Zalian marti-<br />
vad rom vTqvaT, Tu isev unda<br />
gaerTianebuliyaviT, raRas iSle-<br />
bodiT?<br />
_ iSviaTad vakeTeb xolme komentars<br />
saqarTveloSi mimdinare<br />
politikur movlenebze, mag procesze<br />
davwere da didi miTqmamoTqma<br />
gamoiwvia Cemma statusma.<br />
vwerdi, rom „nacionaluri moZraobis”<br />
namcecebis, nakuwebis, naglejebis<br />
gaerTianeba dRes arafers<br />
moitans. moxda, rac moxda, wavida<br />
is xalxi, vinc unda wasuliyo<br />
da waiRes namcecebi da dRes im<br />
namcecebis SekowiwebiT aRaraferi<br />
gamova da ar moxerxdeba. mTavaria,<br />
ideis garSemo gaerTiandes<br />
is xalxi, romelsac ar aqvs erTmaneTis<br />
mimarT raRac wyenebi,<br />
romelTac aqvT erTaderTi wyena,<br />
rom saqarTvelo ufskrulisken<br />
mieqaneba. unda gaerTiandes<br />
yvela, isic, romelsac SeiZleba<br />
aqamde arc Caudgams fexi politikaSi,<br />
magram anerviulebs Tavisi<br />
cxovreba da Tavisi qveynis bedi<br />
da ar unda sazRvargareT Sav mu-<br />
Sad wasvla da unda, rom icxovros<br />
da iSromos Tavis qveyanaSi.<br />
amitomac aseTi adamianebis gaer-<br />
Tianebazea saubari. Tu viRacas<br />
diskomforti aqvs, rom politikuri<br />
partiis wevria da unda, rom<br />
erqvas politikuri partiis wevri,<br />
arc esaa problema, es gaerTianeba<br />
unda moxdes sazogadoebrivi<br />
moZraobis doneze da es sazogadoebrivi<br />
moZraoba unda gaerTiandes<br />
oligarqiuli mmarTvelobis<br />
winaaRmdeg, rogorc moxda es<br />
rumineTsa da bevr sxva qveyanaSi.<br />
_ ukrainisa da saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebebis qmedebebis mi-<br />
uxedavad, ukrainaSi amerikelebi<br />
samxedro obieqtebs aSeneben,<br />
saqarTveloSi vizitiT Camovida<br />
aSS-is vice-prezidenti. cxadia,<br />
es miuTiTebs imaze, rom ukrain-<br />
ac da saqarTveloc aSS-sTvis<br />
kvlav aqtualuria da aCens imeds,<br />
rom ar Segvatoveben pirispir<br />
ruseTs. Tu sxva procesebi midis<br />
da Cven pirispir vrCebiT daTvis<br />
winaSe?<br />
_ geopolitikurad, ra Tqma<br />
unda, amerikisTvis saqarTvelo<br />
darCeba sainteresod. albaT, es is<br />
momentia, rodesac amerikelebi<br />
namdvilad nanoben, rom „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” ar aris qveynis<br />
xelisuflebaSi, vinaidan dRes<br />
Zalian sarisko da kritikuli periodia,<br />
rodesac msoflios mas-<br />
StabiT xdeba axleburi, ase vTqvaT,<br />
manevrireba da gadalagebebi.<br />
am situaciaSi ruseTi SeiZleba<br />
iyos araadekvaturad agresiuli<br />
saqarTvelos mimarT da swored<br />
amitomaa saWiro dRes qmediTi, Zalian<br />
efeqtiani xelisufleba,<br />
romelic yvela zomas gaatarebs<br />
imisTvis, rom saqarTvelos suvereniteti<br />
daicvas, ganamtkicos.<br />
Tqven rogor ggoniaT, xval rom<br />
ruseTma gadawyvitos saqarTveloSi<br />
Semosvla da vazianis bazis<br />
dakaveba, ivaniSvili gauwevs winaaRmdegobas?<br />
_ ara mgonia.<br />
_ arc me ara mgonia. ra Tqma<br />
unda, xelisuflebas, qveyanas Seatovebs<br />
viRacas, jejelavasnairs<br />
da gaiqceva, an etyvis, _ a, batono,<br />
Tqven TviTon miiReT gadawyvetileba.<br />
gamoCdeba viRac raindi,<br />
axali fsevdomarTlmadidebluri<br />
ideologiis matarebeli ruseTis<br />
droSis qveS da ityvis, rom ruseTs<br />
ar unda veCxuboT, unda SemovuSvaT<br />
vazianis bazaze da a. S.<br />
ase moxdeba es yvelaferi. mcocavi<br />
okupacia isedac midis, agentura<br />
isedac gajejilebulia, tardeba<br />
raRac marSebi, saerTod gaurkvevelia,<br />
raze koncentrirdeba<br />
sazogadoebis yuradReba da raze<br />
imarTeba debatebi, xan monarqia<br />
unda aRvadginoT, xan Turqebi<br />
unda CavqoloT, xan arabebi<br />
unda gavyaroT da a. S. ar SeiZleba,<br />
amden idiotizmze imarTebodes<br />
politikuri diskusia, dRes aris<br />
maqsimaluri mobilizeba saWiro,<br />
rom saqarTvelo ar aRmoCndes<br />
politikur TamaSebSi mitovebuli<br />
sakuTari xelisuflebis mier. esaa<br />
sarisko.<br />
_ batono daviT, ras apirebs<br />
mixeil saakaSvili, Tu aris cno-<br />
bili misi gegmebi TqvenTvis?<br />
_ cxadia, apirebs brZolas, es<br />
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saakaSvili ukrainaSi dabrundeba<br />
da brZolas gaagrZelebs, rogorc<br />
ukrainisTvis, ise saqarTvelosTvis.<br />
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vinc ar unda iqilikos da ramdenic<br />
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mterma „ukraina da ukrainis<br />
politikosi”, vinmes epareba eWvi,<br />
rom ukrainaSi brZola saqarTvelosTvis<br />
brZolaa? Cven am brZolaSi<br />
viqnebiT iseTive ukandauxeveli<br />
da ukompromiso, rogorc<br />
aqamde, rogorc mand viyaviT,<br />
rogorc aq viyaviT.<br />
_ rogor dabrundeba? aiZu-<br />
lebT poroSenkos, rom kvlav<br />
daubrunos warTmeuli moqala-<br />
qeoba, Tu rogor moxdeba es?<br />
_ is ukrainaSi Semova ori fexiT<br />
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da mas aq daxvdeba ramdenime aTeuli<br />
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rogor daviwyeT omi? simarTle<br />
giTxraT, zogierTi qarTveli istorikosis<br />
_ saakaSvilis siZulviliT<br />
dabrmavebulTa _ interpretaciebic<br />
uadgiloa da ususuria<br />
am SemTxvevaSi. realurad, saomari<br />
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l agvistos, rodesac rusi samSvidoboebis<br />
zurgs ukan mdgarma separatistebma<br />
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dabombva daiwyes. ise, „separatistebma”<br />
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soflebs bobmavdnen _ klavdnen<br />
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da xelisuflebis sxva<br />
warmomadgenlebTan am sityvaTa<br />
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„Cvens gancdebSi uamravi Semcvleli formaa, Sobili Cveni<br />
sizarmaciT, SiSiT, an refleqsiis uunarobiT. Cven SegviZlia,<br />
movklaT Cveni mSoblebi imiT, rac maTi siyvaruli gvgonia,<br />
radgan ufro xSirad Cveni warmodgena gviyvars mSobelze da<br />
ara TviT mSobeli; Cveni warmodgena gviyvars samSobloze da<br />
ara TviT samSoblo~. merab mamardaSvilis am sityvebis Si-<br />
naarss, ra Tqma unda, aqvs akademiuri axsna, magram, amjerad,<br />
SevecadoT, yvelam Cvens gulSi gavataroT da ise gavigoT,<br />
rogorc amis saSualebas mogvcems Cveni goneba.<br />
Tumca upriani iqneba davsvaT<br />
kiTxva: ra ufro gviyvars, _ sam-<br />
Soblo, Tu Cveni warmodgena sam-<br />
Sobloze? ho, albaT, am kiTxvaze<br />
gacemuli pasuxi _ mxolod gul-<br />
wrfeli pasuxi _ SegvaZlebinebs<br />
bevri ramis sworad gaazrebas da<br />
mxolod amis Semdeg gveqneba Sansi,<br />
viaroT win. radgan „gulwrfe-<br />
li” vaxsene, aqve giorgi gurjievis<br />
sityvebsac moviSvelieb: „siwr-<br />
fele _ ai, gasaRebi, romliTac ga-<br />
aRebT kars da am Ria kars miRma<br />
Tqven dainaxavT Tqvens sakuTar<br />
nawilebs da dainaxavT raRacas, _<br />
qarTveli samarTaldamcvelebi<br />
afxazeTSi konstituciuri wesrigis<br />
dasacavad Sevidnen, _ es mSrali<br />
ganmartebaa. Sevidnen saxelmwifo<br />
interesebis uzrunvelsayofad<br />
da morCa! maSin, cxinvalSi ra<br />
moxda? an rogor daviwyeT omi sakuTar<br />
teritoriaze? omi _ vis<br />
winaaRmdeg? vinc ambobs, rom omi<br />
daviwyeT, is imTaviTve acxadebs,<br />
rom 2008 wlis agvistoSi cxinvali<br />
omi, pompiero<br />
da vaSli<br />
naaRmdegobis gareSe Caabarebda am<br />
teritoriebs. Tumca istoriul<br />
konteqstSi es danaSauli, albaT,<br />
araferic ar iqneboda, radgan ai,<br />
axla _ dRes xom abarebs xelisufleba<br />
am teritoriebs mters da<br />
amasac saakaSvils abralebs.<br />
Sesabamisad, kiTxva, _ vin daiwyo<br />
omi? _ ararelevanturia. axla<br />
kiTxva ase daismis: vin abarebs teritoriebs<br />
winaaRmdegobis gareSe?<br />
nu dagaviwydebaT, rom maSin jari,<br />
xalxi, eri da beri (ruseTis momlodineebs<br />
ar vulisxmob) erTad<br />
idga. axla?<br />
„Cveni warmodgena gviyvars sam-<br />
Sobloze da ara TviT samSoblo”,<br />
_ axla ase xdeba da realuradac<br />
asea.<br />
omi? omi ki ruseTma daiwyo da<br />
ara saakaSvilma!<br />
***<br />
„mTawmindaze xanZaria”, _ am niusma<br />
da fotoebma, laivebma yvela<br />
Cvengani SeZra. xanZari 8 agvistos.<br />
namdvilad ar vici, ras gulisxmobda<br />
radio „Tavisuflebis” laivze<br />
komentaris mimweri erT-erTi qalbatoni,<br />
romelmac Tavisi emocia<br />
Semdegi sityvebiT gamoxata: „RvTis<br />
risxvaa”. arafers vityvi im<br />
upasuxismgeblo Tanamoqalaqeebze,<br />
romlebmac mTeli saqarTvelo<br />
aaforiaqes da xanZari gaaCines. me<br />
ufro es qalbatoni Semecoda.<br />
rogor unda auxsna mas, rom araviTari<br />
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Tu RmerTi siyvarulia, ar SeiZleba<br />
RmerTi gvsjides. mavanis uyuradReboba<br />
da gadagdebuli sigareti<br />
RvTis risxva ver iqneba. Tumca<br />
am adamianebs, albaT, arc unda auxsna<br />
araferi, Tundac imitom, rom<br />
verafers gaigeben.<br />
am xanZarma kidev erTxel dagvanaxva,<br />
rom Cven yvelam yvelaferi<br />
viciT. im saRamos yvela pompiero<br />
iyo, magram Soridan, axlos ki maSvelebi<br />
da ramdenime aTeuli Tbiliseli<br />
ebrZoda xanZars.<br />
pompiero ram gamaxsena? albaT,<br />
imanac, rom realurad qveyanaSi<br />
krizisebis marTvisa da sazogadoebis<br />
informirebis sqema ar arsebobs.<br />
ho, pompiero _ guladi mexanZre,<br />
romelsac xan wyali ar aqvs,<br />
jerac arnaxuls. magram es ar<br />
unda mogwyindeT; ecadeT, mudam<br />
gulwrfeli iyoT”.<br />
***<br />
_ vin daiwyo agvistos omi? _<br />
kiTxva, romelic yovel agvistos<br />
aqtualuri xdeba. _ vin wamoego?<br />
am provokaciul kiTxvasac Tu movismenT,<br />
maSin erTmniSvnelovnad<br />
unda vicodeT, _ kiTxvis damsmelia<br />
Tavad provokatori da mas<br />
surs gaTqmevinoT, _ saqarTvelom.<br />
realurad ki aseTi pasuxis mosmena<br />
arc unda am gavlenis agents, mas<br />
ufro konkretulad surs, rom upasuxoT,<br />
_ saakaSvilma da esec hyofnis<br />
sruli bednierebisTvis, radgan<br />
es aris am kiTxvis umTavresi<br />
misia.<br />
realurad ki omi ruseTma daiwyo<br />
da am omis Tavidan acileba<br />
SeuZlebeli iyo. amas ara mxolod<br />
qarTveli obieqturi istorikosebi,<br />
aramed TviT rusebic aRiareben<br />
da „wamoego provokacias” istoriuli<br />
azrTa wyoba ar scnobs.<br />
1939 wlis „molotov-ribentropis”<br />
paqti provokacia iyo? Tu<br />
dro, romelic ssrk-m moigo? amave<br />
konteqstSi stalins daesxa Tavs<br />
hitleri, Tu germania sabWoTa kav-<br />
Sirs?<br />
ho, Cemberlens da CerCils bombavda<br />
hitleri Tu ingliss _ germania?<br />
es sityvebis manipuliereba da<br />
saWiro konteqstebis damkvidreba<br />
vis interesebSia? xom ar emsaxureba<br />
es fraza: „saakaSvili mZinare<br />
cxinvals daesxa Tavs” _ saakaSvilisgan<br />
gamijvnas, ufro gasagebad<br />
rom vTqva, Tavis marTlebas „ufros<br />
ZmasTan”, saakaSvilma daiwyo<br />
omi, Torem Cven, „saqarTvelo”, amas<br />
rogor gavakeTebdiT?<br />
yvela is adamiani, gansakuTrebiT<br />
saqarTvelos moqalaqe, romelic<br />
ambobs da fiqrobs, rom omi<br />
daiwyo saakaSvilma, minimum, gavlenis<br />
agentia da, maqsimum, _ mteri!<br />
erTi istoriuli paraleli:<br />
qarTveli policielebi afxazeTSi<br />
dRisiT Sevidnen rkinigzis dacvis<br />
motiviT da Cven droebiT dakarguli<br />
gvaqvs es terotoria, romelic,<br />
isev da isev, ruseTis mier<br />
aris okupirebuli. da iq omi ar<br />
iyo? _ ki, iyo! da vin daiwyo omi?<br />
SevardnaZem, qarTulma policiam,<br />
Tu samxedro sabWom? _ arc erTma!<br />
bis wevrebi gveubnebian, _ es 2008<br />
wlis sarkozi-medvedevis xelSekrulebis<br />
farglebSi xdeba, romelzedac,<br />
Turme, miSasac aqvs xeli<br />
mowerili da TvalSi nacars gvayrian,<br />
_ is sazRvari rom „SemoeRoba”<br />
maSin kremls cxinvalisTvis,<br />
realurad, sakuTari TavisTvis, _<br />
isev miSa iqneboda damnaSave? anu<br />
ar gaewia winaaRmdegoba da ise daeTmo?<br />
ki! iqneboda, imitom, rom wi-<br />
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magram misi privilegia is aris, rom<br />
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WikaiZis arseboba, romelTac<br />
sakuTari warmodgena uyvarT<br />
samSobloze da ara TviT samSoblo.<br />
mTawminda iwvis da pompierom<br />
unda Caaqros.<br />
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dabolos, _ vaSli!<br />
gaxsovT „WriWina”? maSin miCurinis<br />
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warmodgena uyvars samSobloze<br />
da ara, _ samSoblo.<br />
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SamaTi, soso!<br />
yvelaferi ki ase daiwyo...<br />
1. iyo erTi klimentiCi...<br />
2. amas mohyva, _ gamarjoba, soso!<br />
3. rogor xar, soso?<br />
4. soso, Cven varT, soso!<br />
5. soso, wadi saxlSi!<br />
6. soso, ra SemogiTvala biZinam?!<br />
7. soso, metsaxelad, „antrikota”!<br />
8. ioseb, specjgufebi gadagiyoleben<br />
Sen!<br />
9. madlobao, soso!<br />
10. soso, Tqvenken rogori amindia?<br />
11. galavans miRma gasusulebi!<br />
12. soso, midixar arCevnebze?!<br />
13. ratom aRar endoba biZina<br />
sus-s?!<br />
14. depresiaSi xar, soso?!<br />
15. soso, isev Cven varT!<br />
16. zemo maCxaaneli biWis cxovrebis<br />
kibe!<br />
17. zemo maCxaaneli sososa da<br />
kardenaxeli iraklis saidumlo<br />
seroba!<br />
18. sosos sizmari!<br />
19. qveyana, sadac „antrikota”<br />
arCevnebs gvitarebs!<br />
20. sosos unarebi!<br />
21. qveynis kirizsac soso hqvia!<br />
22. Sps „limoni”, klimentis vali<br />
da sosos Sno!<br />
23. Raribi soso!<br />
24. Tbiliselic gaxdi, soso!<br />
25. sosos colis naTesavebi!<br />
26. ekonomikis eqspertic iyavi,<br />
soso!<br />
27. gogaSvilis gasaWiri: „wavidear<br />
wavide?!”<br />
28. soso SvebulebaSi gadis!<br />
29. mSvidobiT, soso!<br />
30. sosos rekviemi!<br />
31. sigara Segyvarebia, „don soso!”<br />
32. sosos news-i, mediabazari!<br />
33. ambavi sosos u-sus-urobisa!<br />
34. soso da misi razmi!<br />
35. kadrebis beladi soso!<br />
36. soso, meZavebi da anaforiani<br />
klientebi!<br />
37. gogaSvili da korufcia<br />
sofel yarajalaSi!<br />
38. sosos colis naTesavebi!<br />
39. isev sosos naTesavebi!<br />
40. diplomi maCvene, soso!<br />
41. soso, me mogiyvebi ambavs!<br />
42. mobilizacia sus-Si da gomelauris<br />
ultimatumi!<br />
43. gogaSvilis ultimatumi: an<br />
gamitan, an gagitan!<br />
44. aRzevebuli mdabios filosofia:<br />
SemexebiT _ SegexebiT!<br />
45. gogaSvili Tavdacvas afarebs<br />
Tavs?!<br />
46. samSabaTi mZime dRea, soso!<br />
47. soso, agonia, apaTia da abulia!<br />
48. ideebs ra vuyoT, soso?!<br />
49. soso, ar Sevcvli Cems Cvenebas!<br />
50. soso madlobaze ar muSaobs!<br />
51. soso ufro magaria, Tu biZina?!<br />
52. ratom unda gadadges gogaSvili?!<br />
53. safrTxe, romelsac gogaSvili<br />
ver aicilebs!<br />
54. romels gawiraven, _ „balasts”<br />
Tu „antrikotas”?<br />
55. batoni gogaSvili da ymebi sajaro<br />
samsaxuridan!<br />
56. rogoria sosos susi da giorgis<br />
Sss?!<br />
57. iyo Tu ara braldebuli zazaSvili<br />
damnaSave? sosos kvalificiuri<br />
kadrebi!<br />
58. dRes Sens codvebze ar vwer...<br />
59. dapirispireba sus-sa da partias<br />
Soris?!<br />
60. dRevandelia: soso, SamaTi!<br />
waqceulebs aRar vurtyam manamde,<br />
sanam fexze ar wamodgebian!<br />
ase rom, me-60 svlaze ukve SamaTi,<br />
soso!<br />
P. S. aqamde brZolis mxolod<br />
erTi fronti mqonda gaSlili.<br />
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gadaval.<br />
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Taisi mSvidad eloda ras? _ arc arafers.<br />
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Tqma unda, virgebT da kargadac viwyebT<br />
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kargad arian. informaciebi gamodis,<br />
ra Tqma unda, _ iqidan moqalaqem ramdenime<br />
adgilas dareka da daaxura:<br />
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aCikom davazusteT, ueWveli ar icoda<br />
imano da imisgan ar modiso (Cemi<br />
versiac myardeba _ viwro korumpirebuli<br />
(bariga) jgufis gakeTebulia,<br />
romelic ramdenime kurdRlis<br />
daWeras ecada erTad. xalxi Senken<br />
aris masobrivad, FB muSaobs.<br />
Zalian kargi. esaa mTavari, xalxs<br />
sjerodes Cemi simarTlis. RmerTo,<br />
daloce samarTliani saqarTvelo!!!<br />
xandaxan Cemi guli da sikeTe ase<br />
fasdeba, magram ara uSavs. ufali ma-<br />
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roca dro mova. ara uSavs, sikeTiT<br />
da madliT var savse. esaa mTavari,<br />
ar daviboRmo, ar gavborotde!!! amasobaSi,<br />
sanam me da aCiko amas vixilavT,<br />
gamomZiebeli movida. 3.40<br />
wuTi gagrZelda dakiTxva. 13 martze<br />
sruli simarTle detalurad movuyevi.<br />
TviTon daijera, magram es<br />
kmara? viTom arsebobs neba simarTlis<br />
garkvevis? imedi maqvs, sxva Tu<br />
araferi, strasburgisTvis mainc<br />
damWirdeba es yvelaferi. iq zustad<br />
vici, Cemi simarTle ar daikargeba.<br />
gamomZiebeli midis, aCikos CemebTan<br />
mikiTxvas vabareb. yvela menatreba,<br />
magram vcdilob, nervebs ar avyve da<br />
amitom, SeZlebisdagvarad, cotas<br />
vfiqrob maTze!!!<br />
***<br />
roca levan abzianiZe xelSi CaakvdaT<br />
(narkologiurSi Sardmdenebi<br />
daalevines da guli gauskda), xalxi,<br />
jer kidev, eiforiaSi iyo. ver da ar<br />
SeiRviZa! maSin mivxvdi, rom ukan<br />
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gvevlo represiuli politikis winaaRmdeg.<br />
samwuxarod, 5 „laiqiT“ da 3<br />
komentariT Semoifargla Cemi Taoba!!!<br />
maSin xalxi gavafrTxile, rom es<br />
aqlemi yvelasTan daiCoqebda da ar<br />
ismines :( ara uSavs, CemTan xom ase<br />
Zalis Zalad movida da movida! me da<br />
prezidentis siZis megobari erTi<br />
dRis miyolebiT dagviWires. aris<br />
amaSi kavSiri, miT umetes, baTumis<br />
movlenebis mere moxda es. mindias da<br />
mis megobrebs mTeli Tbilisi icnobs,<br />
maT SeuZliaT axalgazrdobis<br />
mobilizeba, iseve rogorc me quTaisis,<br />
aseve Tbiliseli Cemianebis (ara<br />
marto). mokled, erTi kurdReli es<br />
iyo im ramdenimedan, erTi gasroliT<br />
rom scades mokvla! bolo instancia<br />
varT Cven. Tu mogverivnen, Cveni simarTle<br />
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im Taobas, romlis droc dgeba<br />
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boroteba Tu viciT, mxolod Tavdasacavad.<br />
damcvelebs dagverivnen<br />
da dasacavma Tu axla xma ar amoiRo,<br />
damcvelebi aRar davrCebiT da dasacavs<br />
mere iolad moerevian. rogorc<br />
didi Wabua ityoda: WkuiT, qarTvelebo,<br />
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Tvelos ver movuvliT, ver davicavT,<br />
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gagvixdeba! nuTu mTavari<br />
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madliT da nebiT qarTvelebma?<br />
Cemi<br />
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cxadad axla Cvens epoqaSi<br />
dgas!!! rameTu Cveni, qarTvelobis<br />
yvela (arabi, Turqi, monRoli, iraneli,<br />
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xiluli iyo, eri da beri, rogorc da<br />
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Tvelobis momrevi mxolod qarTve-<br />
lia! rameTu man, Zmam Tu dam, yvelaze<br />
kargad icis Zmisa da dis sisus-<br />
teebi Tu Rirsebebi, genetikuri<br />
sikeTeebi! es Zala unda moispos, ga-<br />
vaqroT, amovZirkvoT, sxva gza aRar<br />
gvaqvs, Torem sikeTe daarqves bo-<br />
rotebas! urcxvad! mxolod uflis<br />
imedad yofniT ver gveSveleba, Tu<br />
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da uflis gzaze ar viareT!!! ori<br />
batonis mona ver viqnebiT, batoni<br />
erTia da is qriste RmerTia!!!<br />
***<br />
dRes SuadRea. ukve xuTSabaTia,<br />
aCiko unda gamoCndes, wesiT. saRamos<br />
weras gavagrZeleb da modiT,<br />
Tqveni nebarTviT, im TemiT daviwyoT,<br />
ra braldebiTac am konkretul<br />
SemTxvevaSi (Cadebuli da SeTiTxnili)<br />
damakaves. karga xania, es erTerTi<br />
mZlavri iaraRia axalgazrda<br />
da ara mxolod axalgazrda Taobis<br />
winaaRmdeg, romlis gamoyenebam ukve<br />
gamocxadebuli genocidis forma<br />
miiRo dRevandel saqarTveloSi.<br />
mogiyvebiT simarTles: me ra makav-<br />
Sirebs am yvelaferTan, ra vici, ra<br />
gadamxdenia Tavs, vin mfarvelobs da<br />
vin yidis gamocxadebul sikvdils!!!<br />
mainc meZaleba, mainc modis monatreba.<br />
ase rom ar iyos, maSin iqneba<br />
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sxva gza ar maqvs, sxva gza<br />
sikvdilia da mkvdari veravis gamovadgebi,<br />
_ verc ojaxs, verc qveyanas,<br />
verc im gaWirvebul adamianebs, visac<br />
marTla Cvenze metad uWirs. imdeni<br />
minaxavs, kargi cxovreba marTla<br />
ar menatreba, piriqiT, visveneb<br />
da bevr rames sxvagvarad vxedav. arasodes<br />
CavTvli aq yofnis dros dakargulad.<br />
erTi is miklavs guls,<br />
rom Cemebi ganicdian. yvela gava<br />
finiSamde, avangardSi yofna msxverplsac<br />
moiTxovs, miT umetes, roca<br />
simarTlisTvis ibrZvi da miT umetes,<br />
roca asobiT gamwarebuli adamiani<br />
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mefiqreba yvelaze metad, guls<br />
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midixarT, rogor gZinavT, an Svilebs<br />
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im fuliT saWmels rogor WamT?!!<br />
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mSvelis, am dros energiiT vivsebi.<br />
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movefero, Tan 10-dan 8-s Cemi sjera,<br />
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ise mexmarebian eqTnebi, eqimebi,<br />
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madloba maT amisTvis da adamianobisTvis!<br />
roca formianebs sjeraT<br />
udanaSaulobis, es Zalian bevrs ni-<br />
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kai mokiTxva maqvs. mets ver<br />
vaxerxeb, sul 2 wamiT Tu movikiTxavT<br />
erTmaneTs. 10 TveSi, maqsimum,<br />
gareT var yvela logikiT! me mjera<br />
amis, magram unda gavmarTlde, _ es<br />
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kukuri wivwivaZe<br />
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modebuli mTel qveyanas es<br />
seni, romelsac masobrivi xasiaTi<br />
aqvs. es yvelaferi advilad gasaSifria.<br />
rodesac ramdenime xmauriani<br />
faqti gaskda da sazogadoebis<br />
ukmayofileba gamoiwvia, aqedan<br />
gamomdiare daiwyes es RonisZiebebi<br />
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kriminalis TvalsazrisiT es<br />
yvelaferi aRmofxvrili ar aris.<br />
_ vebgverdis mier audioCanaw-<br />
eris gavrcelebas saqarTveloSi<br />
sxvadasxva Sefaseba mohyva. opoziciis<br />
nawilma skandaluri audioCanaweris<br />
gamoqveynebis Sem-<br />
deg giorgi mRebriSvilis gada-<br />
dgoma moiTxova. am mxriv, rogo-<br />
ria „leiboristuli partiis”<br />
pozicia?<br />
_ Sinagan saqmeTa ministris Tavze<br />
joxis gadatexa mTlad samarTliani<br />
ar iqneba, aq unda dadges<br />
mTliani xelisuflebis pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxi. aq mniSvnelovani<br />
is aris, ra pozicia aqvs<br />
mTavrobas am sakiTxebTan mimarTebiT.<br />
amaze pasuxismgebloba<br />
unda aiRos mTlianma mTavrobam.<br />
aq Cans ara mxolos is, rom atyueben<br />
qarTvel xalxs, aramed, saer-<br />
TaSoriso standartia, rodesac<br />
mJRavndeba saidumlo informacia,<br />
ra sakiTxebze midioda saubari<br />
ukrainis prezidentsa da saqarTvelos<br />
premier-ministrs Soris.<br />
aseT SemTxvevaSi mTlianad<br />
dgeba mTavrobis politikuri pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxi. arc uaroben<br />
da daJinebiTac ar amboben,<br />
rom es Canaweri avTenturi ar<br />
aris.<br />
_ am Canawerebs Tu daveyrdnobiT,<br />
saqarTvelos xelisufle-<br />
ba uars acxadebs eqsprezident<br />
saakaSvilis eqstradaciaze. am<br />
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gagrZeleba, ra gzac Tavidanve<br />
airCia „qarTulma ocnebam”, Tu<br />
sxva ramesTan gvaqvs saqme?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, es Cven Tavidanve<br />
vicodiT, magram raRac maskaradebs<br />
dgamdnen, TiTqos prokuraturaSi<br />
specialuri departamenti<br />
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xelisuflebas jibeSi hyavs Casmuli<br />
policia, prokuratura da<br />
sasamarTlo sistema, es sWirdebodaT<br />
xelovnurad, rom polarizeba<br />
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gaeyoT politikuri sistema, momsaxureboda<br />
xalxis damcirebas da<br />
ganadgurebas. sinamdvileSi ki<br />
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samarTlianobas da daayenebdnen<br />
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sakiTxs, romlebsac adamianebis<br />
winaSe danaSauli hqondaT Cadenili.<br />
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miSas aCrdili da es aCrdili<br />
aSxamebT maT am tkbil (maTTvis tkbil)<br />
wuTisofels.<br />
im brZen kacs yovel cismare<br />
dRes da Rames, ZilSic da RviZil-<br />
Sic, sul stafilosferi virTxebi<br />
esizmreba da mosveneba aqvs dakarguli.<br />
misi Ss ministri naqcevia<br />
SiSis ministrad, SiSis, romelsac<br />
Zalian didi Tvalebi aqvs.<br />
oficialurad, wulukiani viTom<br />
mis saqarTveloSi gadmocemas<br />
iTxovs, am dros, meore ministri<br />
ixveweba, ukrainas eajeba, _ ar gadmogvceTo.<br />
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gamoCena maTTvis safrTxea. ar aqvs<br />
mniSvneloba, is cixeSi ijdeba Tu<br />
los natroSvilma rom daurekos<br />
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ra ambavi datrialdeba?<br />
im brZen kacs elandeba stafilosferi<br />
virTxebi. mas hyavs SiSis<br />
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adre es posti xadurs ekava,<br />
romelic Tavad miirTmevda,<br />
miirTmevda ra, _ mTel-mTel cikans<br />
ylapavda _ Seqondrils. axla<br />
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qveyana marTlac siurealistur<br />
sizmarSi cxovrobs _ qveynis<br />
mmarTvel oligarqs stafilosferi<br />
virTxebi ezmaneba, bavSvebs<br />
skolebSi urigeben vaSlebs... friad<br />
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man ukrainaSi gaagrZela mo-<br />
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udevs Tu ara mas jibeSi saqarTvelos,<br />
an ukrainis pasporti.<br />
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ubralod, kidev erTxel daadastura.<br />
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is gaxlavT, rom qveynis Ss ministri<br />
isea SeSinebuli da eldanakravi,<br />
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ankesze caltvina TevziviT<br />
egeba. msgavsi ram rom kulturis,<br />
an soflis meurneobis ministrs<br />
damarToda, kidev jandabas da qveynis<br />
Ss ministri, romelic pasuxs<br />
agebs qveynis usafrTxoebaze, amgvar<br />
ankesebze rom egeba, raRazea<br />
saubari? rame ucxo nomriT qarT-<br />
swavlobs da ara yvela skolaSi?<br />
ratom vaSli, rame kavSirs amyarebs<br />
„xe igi cnobadisa? keTilisa<br />
da borotisasTan?” da gveliviT<br />
acdunebs bavSvebs? Tu imitom,<br />
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savse? ratom kviraSi erTxel<br />
da ara yoveldRe? an im skolis<br />
bavSvebs vitaminebi ar sWirdebaT,<br />
sadac aTas bavSvze naklebi<br />
swavlobs? piriqiT rom eTqva, sadac<br />
aTas bavSvze naklebia, iq davarigebTo,<br />
kidev raRac logikas<br />
ipovidi _ xelmomWirnea da sadac<br />
cota bavSvi swavlobs, iq arigebso<br />
da axla? axla es wuwuraqobis<br />
ra formaa, rodesac iq arigeb,<br />
sadac bevri swavlobs da iq ar<br />
arigeb, sadac cota swavlobs? ra,<br />
bavSvebis bralia, rom maT skola-<br />
Si aTas bavSvze meti ar swavlobs?<br />
Tu batoni jejelva moerida sofleli<br />
da qalaqeli bavSvebis Riad<br />
daxarisxebas da amgvar eSmakobas<br />
mimarTa? qalaqis skolebSi bevri<br />
swavlobs, soflis skola ki iSvia-<br />
Tia, sadac aTas bavSvze meti iyos...<br />
qalaqel bavSvebs vaSlebs urigebs<br />
muqTad da soflelebs ras sTavazobs<br />
_ bostnebis gaSenebas? soflelma<br />
bavSvebma Toxi iqnion da<br />
qalaqelebma _ vaSli aToxlaon.<br />
ara, mainc, saidan aitorRiala<br />
es vaSli? Tan, maincdamainc, vaSli?<br />
„WriWina” naxa da miCurinis va-<br />
Sli autyda? Tu bavSvobis leqsi<br />
aekviata, _ wiTeli vaSli gagorda,<br />
jeje skolaSi garboda? me mgoni,<br />
isaak niutonsac jejelavas pa-<br />
rigebas iwyebs da Tan urcxvad ambobs,<br />
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skolis programa martivdeba, e. i.<br />
ra gamodis, _ bavSvebs wignebis<br />
nacvlad vaSlebs vurigebT? jam-<br />
Si, mTeli misi am novaciis arsi<br />
raa? rom bavSvebs codnis nacvlad<br />
vaSli mivceT? bolos atestatis<br />
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isedac 13 aTasma bavSvma atestati<br />
ver aiRo da es novaciebi ras<br />
moitans? Tu codnas is gaaRrmavebs,<br />
erTad klasSi 2 pedagogi<br />
rom Seva da duetSi Caatarebs?<br />
skolebSi axali pedagogebis Seyvanas<br />
winaaRmdegoba xvdeba, axali<br />
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Zalebis generaluri Stabis ufrosi, general-maiori vladimer<br />
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TimaTi doherTi; aseve saqarTvelos sakanonmdeblo xe-<br />
lisuflebisa da saqarTveloSi akreditebuli diplomatiuri<br />
korpusis warmomadgenlebi.<br />
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alerovnul wvrTnebs „Rirseu-<br />
li partniori 2017"?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, dRevandel<br />
samyaroSi amas Zalian didi mniSvneloba<br />
aqvs, radgan Cven vxedavT,<br />
rom riskebi izrdeba, globaluri<br />
dapirispireba piks aRwevs,<br />
sadac nebismier momentSi Sei-<br />
Zleba Tofi gavardes da aseT<br />
viTarebaSi Cveni qveynisTvis usafrTxoebis<br />
Tema nomer pirvelia.<br />
metsac getyviT: es wvrTnebi<br />
kargia, magram daculoba, konkre-<br />
samwuxarod, isev frontis wina<br />
xazze gagviyvana, rac arasasurveli,<br />
magram, rogorc Cans, gardauvali<br />
iyo), am viTarebaSi nebismier<br />
aseT aqtivobas Tavisi sasicocxlo<br />
fasi aqvs.<br />
Tumca, Cemi azriT, es yvelaferi<br />
arasakmarisia da Cven kidev<br />
ufro swrafad gvWirdeba usafr-<br />
Txoebis sistemis gaZliereba.<br />
_ procesis intensifikacia<br />
axseneT, ra nabijebi unda daCqardes,<br />
rom Cveni qveynis usa-<br />
zmi ar arsebobs, rac samwuxaroa.<br />
is, rom Cven ubralo ritorikis<br />
imedze viyoT (Tu xelisufleba<br />
amas fiqrobs), es, ra Tqma<br />
unda, absoluturad arasakmarisia<br />
da Zalian miamiti gagebaa, rom<br />
sadRegrZeloebiTa da erTmane-<br />
Tis mimarT reveransebiT rame<br />
wydeba. Cven reveransebi arc 2008<br />
wlis winaT gvaklda, magram moxda<br />
is, rac moxda.<br />
_ am viTarebaSi, minimum,<br />
14<br />
gia xuxaSvili:<br />
`dRes saakaSvili<br />
`bomJad~ ki ara,<br />
faqtobrivad,<br />
msoflio<br />
moqalaqed iqca~<br />
`Tu es dialogi realurad ar Semdgara, maSin<br />
salaparako bevri arc araferia. magram Tu<br />
saubari Sedga, bunebrivia, Zalian seriozuli<br />
skandalia, faqtobrivad, bevr rames farsad<br />
aqcevs, rac mTeli am istoriis irgvliv xdeba.<br />
ra Tqma unda, politikurad imas viziareb, rom<br />
xelisuflebisTvis miSa saakaSvilis<br />
saqarTveloSi eqstradicia mis intersebSi ar<br />
Sedis. saakaSvili Tbilisis cixeSi, ra Tqma<br />
unda, destabilizaciis wyaroa, didi Tavis<br />
tkivilia da, realurad, xelisuflebas es ar<br />
unda. maSin Cndeba kiTxva, - es aqtiurobebi<br />
moTxovnaze, sasamarTlo procesebi, es<br />
yvelaferi didi speqtakli da farsia?~<br />
saCvenebeli savele swavlebis<br />
scenari TavdacviT da kontrSeteviT<br />
amocanebze iyo dafuZnebuli.<br />
wvrTnebSi monawile mravalerovnul<br />
aseuls arapirdapiri<br />
cecxliT mxardaWera gauwies saqarTvelos<br />
SeiaraRebuli Zalebis<br />
I saartilerio brigadis dana bataream<br />
da amerikulma saartilerio<br />
bataream. tanksawinaaRmdego<br />
amocanebis Sesrulebisas aSS-is<br />
evropuli sardlobis I kavaleriis<br />
polkis samxedroebma pirobi-<br />
Ti mowinaaRmdege tanksawinaaRmdego<br />
saraketo kompleqs „javeliniT”<br />
daazianes.<br />
wvrTnaSi CarTuli iyo qarTul<br />
SeiaraRebaSi arsebuli te-72<br />
tipis tanki, amerikuli tanki<br />
„abramsi” da qveiTTa sabrZolo<br />
manqana „bredli”. kontrSeteviTi<br />
amocanebis Sesrulebis dros<br />
ZiriTad Zalebs mxari dauWira<br />
sainJinro gamrRvevma manqana „miklikma”,<br />
romelmac pirobiTi mowinaaRmdegis<br />
poziciebze gasasvleli<br />
gaakeTa.<br />
„Rirseuli partniori 2017"-Si<br />
monawile qvedanayofs swavlebis<br />
warmatebiT dasruleba miuloces:<br />
saqarTvelos prezidentma<br />
giorgi margvelaSvilma; Tavdacvis<br />
ministrma levan izoriam;<br />
saqarTvelos SeiaraRebuli Zalebis<br />
generaluri Stabis ufrosma,<br />
general-maiorma vladimer Ca-<br />
Cibaiam; evropaSi aSS-is armiis<br />
ji3-is ufrosma, brigadis generalma<br />
TimaTi doherTim.<br />
daskvniTi RonisZieba samxedro<br />
mosamsaxureTa dajildoebiT<br />
dasrulda. Tavdacvis ministrma<br />
uwyebrivi medliT „generali<br />
kvinitaZe” swavlebis Stabis<br />
ucxoeli da qarTveli oficrebi<br />
daajildova. general-maiorma<br />
vladimer CaCibaiam ki qarTvel<br />
oficrebs swavlebis warmatebiT<br />
dagegmvisa da aRsrulebisTvis<br />
uwyebrivi medali „generali kvinitaZe”<br />
gadasca.<br />
„Rirseuli partniori 2017"<br />
emsaxureboda stabilurobas,<br />
TavdacviT da SeteviT operaciebSi<br />
unar-Cvevebis gaumjobesebas,<br />
aseve aSS-is, didi britaneTis, saqarTvelosa<br />
da partniori qveynebis<br />
SeiaraRebuli Zalebis urTierTTavsebadobis<br />
amaRlebas, natos<br />
reagirebis Zalebis (nrf) sabrZolo<br />
SesaZleblobebis gazrdas<br />
da nrf-Si monawile danayofebs<br />
Soris urTierTTavsebadobis<br />
gaRrmavebas.<br />
„Zala partniorobaSia” _ mravalerovnuli<br />
swavlebis „Rirseuli<br />
partniori 2017"-is mTavari<br />
gzavnili iyo, romelsac saqarTvelom<br />
wels ukve mesamed umaspin-<br />
Zla. wlevandeli swavleba yvelaze<br />
farTomasStabiani gaxldaT<br />
da masSi natos wevri da partniori<br />
8 qveyana monawileobda: saqar-<br />
Tvelo, aSS, gaerTianebuli samefo,<br />
germania, TurqeTi, slovenia,<br />
somxeTi da ukraina.<br />
mimdinare Temebze „qronika+”<br />
eqspert gia xuxaSvils esaubre-<br />
ba:<br />
_ batono gia, rogor afasebT<br />
saqarTveloSi Catarebul mrav-<br />
tul usafrTxoebis sistemaSi<br />
ganTavseba ara xval, aramed dResve<br />
gvWirdeba. swavleba kargia,<br />
magram es arasakmarisia da procesis<br />
intensifikacia unda moxdes;<br />
Tu globaluri dapirispirebis<br />
es dinamika gagrZelda (istoriulma<br />
kanonzomierebam Cven,<br />
frTxoebis garantiebi gaizar-<br />
dos?<br />
_ teqnikur detalebze ver visaubreb,<br />
magram gvWirdeba, rom<br />
ukve dRes moxdes Cveni integracia<br />
globaluri usafrTxoebis<br />
sistemaSi, rac ar xdeba. garkveulwilad,<br />
2008 wlis Semdeg Cven<br />
win waviwieT, magram Zalian mware<br />
gamocdileba gvaqvs imave 2008<br />
wlis, sadac TiTqos molodini<br />
iyo, rom es globaluri usafrTxoebis<br />
sistema imuSavebda, magram<br />
faqtia, rom is absoluturad<br />
araefeqtiani aRmoCnda.<br />
2008 wlis Semdeg am mxriv bevri<br />
araferi Secvlila da es, rasakvirvelia,<br />
SfoTvis safuZvels<br />
iZleva. erTia, Teoriuli mxardaWera<br />
da meorea, realuri teqnikuri<br />
sakiTxebis gadawyveta, raTa<br />
nebismieri agresiis SemTxvevaSi<br />
vicodeT, rom CairTveba garkveuli<br />
meqanizmebi, romelic amas Seakavebs.<br />
jerjerobiT, aseTi meqani-<br />
saWiroa Tu ara, rom Crdiloatlantikurma<br />
aliansma saqarTve-<br />
los gawevrianebis samoqmedo<br />
programa, mapi mianiWos?<br />
_ iciT, ra aris, viTareba samyaroSi<br />
imdenad swrafad icvleba,<br />
rom mapi ukve, Cemi azriT, arsakmarisi<br />
daculobaa, araskmarisi<br />
dacvis garantias iZleva. vimeoreb:<br />
iluzia imisa, rom viRaca<br />
meores raRacas etyvis da amis<br />
gamo is gaCerdeba, ar unda gvqondes.<br />
metsac getyviT: Cven aRniSnuli<br />
usafrTxoebis sistemaSi ukve<br />
dRes rom viyoT integrirebuli,<br />
esec ar aris sakmarisi, 100%-iani<br />
garantia imisa, rom raRac ar<br />
moxdeba. miT umetes, am viTarebaSi<br />
da Tundac mapiT amis garantiebi,<br />
rasakvirvelia, ver Seiqmneba.<br />
Cven vxedavT, rom ruseTi aravis<br />
epueba. aviRoT siriis movlenebi,<br />
sadac is, praqtikulad, ar<br />
iyo da sadac pirdapir gadaikve-<br />
Ta SeerTebuli Statebisa da ruseTis<br />
interesebi; da aSS-m ruseTs<br />
bevri veraferi mouxerxa.<br />
miT umetes, im viTarebaSi, roca<br />
Cven msoflio geopolitikur<br />
omebSi siriis rangSi ar varT. anu<br />
Cvendami interesi erTi rigiT<br />
ufro naklebia, vidre sadReisod<br />
es siriisadmi aris gamoxatuli.<br />
_ aseve CrdiloeT koreis ga-<br />
rSemo daZabuloba piks aRwevs...<br />
_ dRevandeli globaluri riskebi<br />
mravalveqtoriania. TiTqos<br />
raRac Semakavebeli faqtorebi<br />
arsebobs, magram imdend bevri<br />
riskmimarTuleba gaCnda, rom<br />
amis absoluturi kontroli Sei-<br />
Zleba ukve SeuZlebeli gaxdes da<br />
aman umarTav procesebs misces<br />
dasabami. raRac jaWvur movlenebamde<br />
mivdivarT, sadRac erT-<br />
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gan Tu ifeTqa, SeiZleba bevrgan,<br />
TiTqos, erTmaneTTan urTierTkavSirSi<br />
armyofi movlenebi ganviTardes.<br />
aseTi scenari SesaZlebelia da<br />
zustad amitom giTxariT, rom<br />
Cven xvalis imedze ver viqnebiT.<br />
ukve dRes gvWirdeba usafrTxoebis<br />
Zlieri garantiebi. ara sityvieri,<br />
ara sadRegrZeloebi,<br />
rasac vismenT, gansakuTrebiT<br />
Cveni xelisuflebis mxridan, aramed<br />
realuri usafrTxoebis sistemis<br />
formireba, radgan nebismier<br />
momentSi SeiZleba raRac<br />
daiwyos.<br />
da is, rom Cven ramdenime wlis<br />
Semdeg sadRac migviReben, es am<br />
viTarebaSi ar aris sakmarisi garantia.<br />
_ okupirebul teritoriebze<br />
mimdinare negatiur procesebze<br />
Cveni xelisuflebis reaqcia<br />
ramdenad sakmarisia?<br />
_ samwuxarod, am qveynis dezintegraciis,<br />
anu teritoriebis<br />
mitacebis procesi, obieqturad<br />
unda vTqvaT, rom marto am xelisuflebis<br />
problema ar aris.<br />
Cven, faqtobrivad, mTeli uaxlesi<br />
istoriis ganmavlobaSi, xSir<br />
SemTxvevaSi, Cvenive SecdomebiT<br />
kisers vitexdiT. ruseTis buneba<br />
gasagebia, es mocemulobaa da am<br />
mxriv yovelTvis amerikas Tavidan<br />
aRmovaCenT xolme; imaze vmsjelobT,<br />
Tu vin daiwyo omi da<br />
vin _ ara. amas ra mniSvneloba<br />
aqvs?<br />
ruseTs Tavisi interesebi aqvs<br />
da Tu Sen safuZveli Seuqmeni (da<br />
sakmarisi sisuste aCvene), is, ra<br />
Tqma unda, Tavis interesebs atarebs.<br />
aq mTavaria, rom Sen, rogorc<br />
patara moTamaSem, Secdomebi<br />
ar dauSva, xafangSi ar gaeba,<br />
provokaciaze ar wamoego, rom<br />
ruseTma iq Tavisi ambiciebi daikmayofilos.<br />
samwuxarod, Cvenma yvela xelisuflebam<br />
moaxerxa da dauSva<br />
es Secdomebi, faqtobrivad, damoukideblobis<br />
mopovebis dRidan<br />
dawyebuli. aman sxvadasxva<br />
etapze qveynis erTianobas sxvadasxva<br />
mZime dartyma miayena. es<br />
Zeldeba.<br />
Tumca vimeoreb: misi danaSaulis<br />
xarisxi, jerjerobiT, naklebia,<br />
vidre es wina xelisuflebebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi iyo.<br />
_ ra STabeWdileba grCebaT<br />
mixel saakaSvilTan dkavSire-<br />
bul satelefono Canawerebze?<br />
_ mgonia, rom aradamajerebelia<br />
Sinagan saqmeTa saministros<br />
pressamsaxuris gancxadeba. roca<br />
dacul Tu daucvel xazzea saubari,<br />
absoluturad gaugebaria<br />
saerTod raze vmsjelobT, amitom<br />
es damajerebeli komentari ar<br />
aris.<br />
vfiqrob, Tu Sss-s surs daamtkicos,<br />
rom es ase ar aris da rom<br />
es saubrebi mogonilia, maSin<br />
`viTareba samyaroSi imdenad swrafad icvleba,<br />
rom mapi ukve, Cemi azriT, arasakmarisi<br />
daculobaa, araskmarisi dacvis garantias<br />
iZleva. vimeoreb: iluzia imisa, rom viRaca<br />
meores raRacas etyvis da amis gamo is<br />
gaCerdeba, ar unda gvqondes. metsac getyviT:<br />
Cven aRniSnuli usafrTxoebis sistemaSi ukve<br />
dRes rom viyoT integrirebuli, esec ar aris<br />
sakmarisi, 100%-iani garantia imisa, rom raRac<br />
ar moxdeba. miT umetes, am viTarebaSi da<br />
Tundac mapiT amis garantiebi, rasakvirvelia,<br />
ver Seiqmneba~<br />
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`arc mis transnacionalur politikur partniorebs (ZiriTadad,<br />
vaSingtonSi) misi ukrainul politikaSi reintegraciis, maincdamainc, didi<br />
interesi aRar aqvT martivi mizezis gamo, rom iqaur politikaSi yvelaferi<br />
ukve daalages, frontis xazi gavlebulia da am mxriv sruli komforti<br />
aqvT. am situaciaSi miSa saakaSvilis damatebiTi kontroli maT aRar<br />
sWirdebaT. Sesabamisad, savsebiT SesaZlebelia, rom is gadmorTon<br />
saqarTveloze, gaaaqtiuron, daabrunon am mimarTulebaze da misgan<br />
erTgvari giulenis qarTuli modeli Seqmnan, romelsac xelisuflebis iribi<br />
kontrolisTvis gamoiyeneben~<br />
gamoZieba unda Caataros. es Tvi-<br />
Tonve sakuTari iniciativiT unda<br />
gaakeTos da Cven unda dagvidos<br />
utyuari mtkicebuleba imisa,<br />
rom es saubari ar Semdgara,<br />
radgan viRacam SeiZleba, alternatiuli<br />
eqspertiza Caataros da<br />
rom gairkves, es mRebriSvilis<br />
xmaa da is saubrobs? Zalian mainteresebs,<br />
am dros ra gadawyvetilebas<br />
miiReben? ai, viRacam rom<br />
moisurvos, aseTi eqspertiza da<br />
sxvadasxva donis eqspertizis<br />
Catareba SeiZleba xmis avTenturobis<br />
dasadgenad.<br />
ase rom, me mainc variantebze<br />
visaubreb. Tu es dialogi realurad<br />
ar Semdgara, maSin salaparako<br />
bevri arc araferia. magram Tu<br />
saubari Sedga, bunebrivia, Zalian<br />
seriozuli skandalia, faqtobrivad,<br />
bevr rames farsad aqcevs, rac<br />
mTeli am istoriis irgvliv xdeba.<br />
ra Tqma unda, politikurad<br />
imas viziareb, rom xelisuflebisTvis<br />
miSa saakaSvilis saqarTveloSi<br />
eqstradicia mis interseb-<br />
Si ar Sedis. saakaSvili Tbilisis<br />
cixeSi, ra Tqma unda, destabilizaciis<br />
wyaroa, didi Tavis tkivilia<br />
da, realurad, xelisuflebas<br />
es ar unda.<br />
maSin Cndeba kiTxva, _ es aqti-<br />
urobebi moTxovnaze, sasamarTlo<br />
procesebi, es yvelaferi<br />
didi speqtakli da farsia? es<br />
erTi mxarea politikuri pasuxismgeblobis,<br />
Tumca aq, am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
sisxlis samarTlis pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxic unda dadges.<br />
Tu sasamarTlo adamianze<br />
gadawyvetilebas iRebs da mas<br />
sasjels usjis, maSin xelisufleba<br />
valdebulia, rom es adamiani<br />
cixeSi gaamwesos da amisTvis yvela<br />
meqanizmi gamoiyenos.<br />
Tu politikuri elita am samarTlebrivi<br />
proceduris torpedirebas<br />
ewinaaRmdegeba, es ukve<br />
sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulia.<br />
konkretuli sisxlis samarTlis<br />
pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxia Sinagan<br />
saqmeTa ministris mxridan,<br />
radgan arsebobs kanoniT dadgenili<br />
procedura da xelisuflebis<br />
valdebulebaa, rom sasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetileba aRasrulos.<br />
Tu Ss ministri abobs,<br />
rom Cven amis aRsruleba ar gvinda,<br />
es, ra Tqma unda, kanondar-<br />
Rvevaa da ukve sxva tipis pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxia, mxolod<br />
politikuris ara.<br />
magram es yvelaferi im daTqmiT,<br />
rom es saubari namdvilad<br />
Sedga.<br />
_ dRevandel viTarebaSi xelisuflebis<br />
mxridan eqsprezi-<br />
dentis mimarT rogori pozicia<br />
iqneba gamarTlebuli?<br />
_ vfiqrob, rom mas Semdeg,<br />
rac saakaSvils ukrainis moqalaqeoba<br />
CamoerTva, xelisufleba<br />
politikurad rTul mdgomareobaSi<br />
aRmoCnda, amas pirdapir<br />
getyviT. Tu Cveni mxridan viRac<br />
amas xels uwyobda, mas politikis<br />
araferi gaegeba. ukrainul politikaSi<br />
integrirebuli miSa saaka-<br />
Svili, sadac ukve sakmaod marginalizebuli<br />
iyo, es qarTuli mxarisTvis<br />
Zalian komfortuli<br />
situacia gaxldaT. es ori mizezis<br />
gamo, erTi mxriv, misi marginalizeba<br />
xdeboda (ris politikuri<br />
interesic xelisuflebas<br />
aqvs) da, meore mxriv, is, ubralod,<br />
ver iclida saqarTvelosTvis,<br />
mTlianad Cafluli iyo<br />
ukrainul bakqanaliaSi. amitom es<br />
komfortuli mdgomareoba iyo.<br />
dRes saakaSvili „bomJad” ki<br />
ara, faqtobrivad, msoflio moqalaqed<br />
iqca. ukrainul politikasTan<br />
midgomebi mas gauWirdeba,<br />
principSi, arc mis transnacionalur<br />
politikur partniorebs<br />
(ZiriTadad, vaSingtonSi)<br />
misi ukrainul politikaSi reintegraciis,<br />
maincdamainc, didi interesi<br />
aRar aqvT martivi mizezis<br />
gamo, rom iqaur politikaSi<br />
yvelaferi ukve daalages, frontis<br />
xazi gavlebulia da am mxriv<br />
sruli komforti aqvT.<br />
am situaciaSi miSa saakaSvilis<br />
damatebiTi kontroli maT aRar<br />
sWirdebaT. Sesabamisad, savsebiT<br />
SesaZlebelia, rom is gadmorTon<br />
saqarTveloze, gaaaqtiuron,<br />
daabrunon am mimarTulebaze da<br />
misgan erTgvari giulenis qarTu-<br />
`dRevandeli globaluri riskebi<br />
mravalveqtoriania. TiTqos raRac Semakavebeli<br />
faqtorebi arsebobs, magram imdend bevri<br />
riskmimarTuleba gaCnda, rom amis<br />
absoluturi kontroli SeiZleba ukve<br />
SeuZlebeli gaxdes da aman umarTav procesebs<br />
misces dasabami. raRac jaWvur movlenebamde<br />
mivdivarT, sadRac erTgan Tu ifeTqa, SeiZleba<br />
bevrgan, TiTqos, erTmaneTTan urTierTkavSirSi<br />
armyofi movlenebi ganviTardes~<br />
procesi, jer kidev, 90-iani wlebis<br />
dasawyisSi daiwyo da iqidan<br />
moyolebuli, yvela xelisuflebam<br />
TiTo „aguri dado” am degradaciis<br />
gzaze.<br />
Sesabamisad, yvela xelisufleba<br />
pasuxismgebelia imaze, rac<br />
dRes xdeba, an rac dRemde moxda,<br />
es sxvadaxva doziT SeiZleba<br />
iTqvas. jerjerobiT, dRevandel<br />
xelisuflebas, am mxriv, Secdomebi<br />
yvelaze naklebad aqvs daSvebuli.<br />
magram danaSaulia, Tundac,<br />
is, rom man am situaciis Se-<br />
Cereba da konservacia ver moaxerxa<br />
da degradacia-dezintegraciis<br />
procesi dResac gr-<br />
N30 (207) 15.08-21.08.2017 w.<br />
li modeli Seqmnan, romelsac<br />
xelisuflebis iribi kontrolisTvis<br />
gamoiyeneben. ar vambob,<br />
rom misi pirdapiri reintegracia<br />
moxdeba, magram is, rogorc faqtori<br />
qarTul politikaSi, Sei-<br />
Zleba dabrundes.<br />
anu garkveuli kiTxvebi Tu<br />
gaCnda tendenciasTan dakavSirebiT,<br />
misi gaaqtiureba yovelTvis<br />
SeiZleba. konkretulad, ra da<br />
rogor moxdeba, es ukve politikuri<br />
taqtikis sakiTxia. mTlianobaSi<br />
ki eWvi ar mepareba, rom mas<br />
saqarTveloze gadmorTaven, radgan<br />
ukrainaSi misi dro mTavrdeba,<br />
iq es faqtori mxolod<br />
inerciiT imuSavebs.<br />
15
ogor Cans, emigrantis mier danaxuli saqarTvelo da aq<br />
mimdinare politikuri procesebi? sad vcdebiT da ras va-<br />
keTebT arasworad? sad aris Cveni warmatebis saidumlo da<br />
ramdenad adekvaturebi varT rogorc sakuTari, aseve msoflio<br />
politikuri movlenebis Sefasebisas? rogor unda gavigoT<br />
aSS-is vice-prezidentis gzavnilebi? ramdenad sworad vre-<br />
agirebT rusul okupaciaze da aris ki yvelagan yvelaferi<br />
kargad, gansakuTrebiT „iq”, sadac Cven ar varT?<br />
am Temebze „qronika+~ qarTvel<br />
emigrants, warmatebul eqims, aSS-<br />
Si mcxovreb zurab guruls es-<br />
aubra:<br />
_ batono zurab, Tqveni per-<br />
sonis gaTvaliswinebiT interviu<br />
namdvilad ar da ver iqneba erT<br />
Temaze koncentrirebuli. emigranti,<br />
warmatebuli eqimi, sazoga-<br />
doebrivad aqtiuri adamiani, rom-<br />
elic kargad erkveva rogorc<br />
qarTul, aseve aSS-s politikur<br />
niuansebSi. sxvas Tavi rom davan-<br />
eboT, vgoneb, arc erT polito-<br />
logs ase zustad ar ganuWvretia<br />
jer trampis gamarjveba da Sem-<br />
deg is calkeuli nabijebi, rome-<br />
lsac prezidenti gadadgamda.<br />
Tumca Cveni saubari mainc agvis-<br />
tos omiT daviwyoT. cxra weli<br />
gavida _ ramdenad adekvaturia<br />
omis Sedegebis gaazrebasa da<br />
qmedebebSi qarTuli saxelmwifo<br />
da xalxi?<br />
_ nebismier klasikur saxelmwifoSi<br />
demokratiuli gziT mosuli<br />
yoveli axali mTavroba warmoadgens<br />
wina mTavrobis iuridiul da<br />
politikur memkvidres, miuxedavad<br />
politikuri platformebis gansxvavebisa.<br />
amasTan, saxelmwifoebrivi<br />
interesebidan da principebidan<br />
gamomdinare, yvela mTavrobis-<br />
Tvis politikur aqsiomas unda<br />
warmoadgendes is ZiriTadi sakiTxebi,<br />
romelic Tavisi mniSvnelobiT<br />
aRemateba viwropartiul interesebs.<br />
rodesac axali mTavroba Tavis<br />
winamorbedTan politikuri dapirispirebis<br />
safuZvelze seriozul<br />
zians ayenebs saxelmwifo interesebs,<br />
es ukve araadekvaturi saqcielia<br />
da araferi aqvs saerTo saxelmwifoebriv<br />
azrovnebasTan.<br />
koalicia „ocnebam” da uSualod<br />
misma erTpirovnulma liderma<br />
2012 wels Tavis winasaarCevno<br />
doqtrinaSi araerTxel gaakeTa<br />
oficialuri gancxadeba, rom 2008<br />
16<br />
armaz metreveli<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
wlis samamulo omi daiwyo saqarTvelom.<br />
garda imisa, rom es sruli<br />
absurdia saerTaSoriso iuridiuli<br />
kanonmdeblobis mixedviT, aris<br />
politikuri mavneblobac, rac absoluturad<br />
logikurad eqvemdebareba<br />
saxelmwifo interesebis Ralatis<br />
kategorias, Tavi rom davaneboT<br />
saxelmwifo mniSvnelobis moralur-eTikur<br />
kategoriebs, rodesac<br />
pirad Seuracxyofas ayeneb<br />
SeiaraRebuli Zalebis umaRles<br />
mTavarsardals da mTlianad qarTul<br />
armias, romelsac daufiqreblad<br />
aniWeb samxedro provokatoris<br />
statuss. analogiur kategoriaSi<br />
gadis ramdenime dRis winaT<br />
erT-erTi ministris mier gaJRerebuli<br />
gancxadebac, rom saqar-<br />
Tvelos wina mTavrobam legitimacia<br />
mianiWa saokupacio xazis gavlebas<br />
qveyanaSi.<br />
am yvela zemoT CamoTvlili<br />
faqtidan gamomdinare, logikurad<br />
SeuZlebelia, rom adekvaturad<br />
miviCnioT omis Sedegebis gaazrebaSi<br />
rogorc saqarTvelos amJamindeli<br />
mTavroba, aseve misi amomrCevlebi<br />
da, Sesabamisad, mTlianad<br />
qarTuli saxelmwifoc.<br />
_ rodesac saubroben imaze,<br />
rom omi daiwyo saakaSvilma, apri-<br />
ori aRiareben, _ saqarTvelo<br />
Tavs daesxa sxva qveyanas. amave<br />
dros, omis „damwyebis” person-<br />
ificireba istoriul konteqstSi<br />
Zalian sasaciloa. analogiisTvis:<br />
germania Tavs daesxa sabWoTa kav-<br />
Sirs da ara hitleri _ stalins.<br />
Sesabamisad, minda gkiTxoT, ras<br />
emsaxureba es Sefaseba da ramde-<br />
nad relevanturia is politikur<br />
konteqstSi?<br />
_ es Sefaseba erTmniSvnelovnad<br />
warmoadgens saxelmwifo interesebis<br />
Ralats da emsaxureba politikuri<br />
oponentebis damcirebis<br />
ubadruk mcdelobas. samagierod,<br />
Zalian didi mniSvneloba aqvs<br />
politikur konteqstSi, radgan<br />
saqarTvelos mTavroba, faqtobrivad,<br />
aRiarebs sakuTar qveyanas<br />
samxedro konfliqtis provokatorad<br />
da TavdacviTi samamulo omi<br />
gadahyavs provokaciul agresiaSi.<br />
am gancxadebas momavalSi aucileblad<br />
gamoiyeneben Cven winaaRmdeg,<br />
rodesac saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba<br />
gardauvlad daiwyebs saqar-<br />
Tvelos teritoriuli mTlianobis<br />
aRsadgenad saWiro iuridiul<br />
procesebs.<br />
saqarTvelos SeiaraRebul Zalebs<br />
erTi milimetriTac ar daur-<br />
RveviaT qveynis saxelmwifo sazRvari<br />
da omi mimdinareobda saqarTvelos<br />
teritoriaze ukanonod<br />
SemoWril ruseTis SeiaraRebul<br />
ZalebTan. Sesabamisad, saqarTvelosTvis<br />
omis dawyebis braldeba<br />
aris sruli iuridiuli absurdi,<br />
Tumca mSvenieri sakbiloa saqarTvelos<br />
mTavrobis „aRiarebiT” waxalisebuli<br />
demagogi oponentebisTvis.<br />
_ erTi metad saintereso, albaT,<br />
ufro fsiqologiuri xasia-<br />
Tis kiTxva: „stokholmis sindromi”<br />
gasagebia, bolos da bo-<br />
los, seqsic gaqvs „borotTan”,<br />
keTilganwyobac, es TamaSic mogwons<br />
_ cixeSic waxval da jvar-<br />
sac daiwer _ romantikasac Sei-<br />
cavs raRac doziT, magram mtris<br />
aseTi „pativiscema”, „siyvaruli”,<br />
„mokrZaleba” da, gnebavT, sazoga-<br />
doebriv-politikuri mazoxizmi,<br />
romelsac aranairi pozitiuri<br />
finalis konturic ki ar aqvs,<br />
saidan da ratom Cabudda Cveni sazogadoebis<br />
erT nawilSi, rom-<br />
lisTvisac ruseTi isev Zmaa? ase<br />
mgonia, am adamianebs es poli-<br />
tikuri incesti moswonT, Tan<br />
Zaladobis Semcveli detalebiT.<br />
realurad, rasTan gvaqvs saqme?<br />
_ realurad, yvelafers banaluri<br />
materialuri safuZveli<br />
aqvs da aranairi fsiqologiuri<br />
wiaRsvlebi ar aris asaxsnelad<br />
saWiro. precedenti, jer kidev, 92-<br />
Si Seiqmna, rodesac gaqsuebulma<br />
sabWoTa saqmosnebma, anu, realurad,<br />
sabWoTa xazinis qurdebma, Seiamxanages<br />
maT kmayofaze myofi politikuri<br />
naZiralebi da fsevdointelegencia,<br />
aagroves uzarmazari<br />
Tanxa da kriminalebisa da mowveuli<br />
rusuli jaris meSveobiT<br />
daamxes pirveli qarTuli saxelmwifo.<br />
amis Semdeg, roca aravin darCa<br />
xelis SemSleli, uproblemod<br />
gadainawiles saqarTvelos saxelmwifo<br />
qoneba. cxadia, zemoT CamoTvlil<br />
kategorias mietmasnen „aznaurobis<br />
maZieblebi”, romlebic Sesabamisad<br />
dajildovdnen gaweuli<br />
samsaxurisTvis da cxovrobdnen<br />
udrtvinvelad 2003 wlamde.<br />
„vardebis revoluciis” Semdeg<br />
daiwyo saxelmwifo institutebis<br />
mSeneblobis procesi. Seiqmna sagadasaxado<br />
sistema, mowesrigda saxelmwifo<br />
qonebis aRricxva, anu reestri,<br />
yrud amoiqola sasazRvro<br />
zurab guruli:<br />
`mTavroba, Tavis<br />
winamorbedTan<br />
dapirispirebis<br />
safuZvelze,<br />
seriozul zians<br />
ayenebs saxelmwifo<br />
interesebs~<br />
kontrabandistuli Savi xvrelebi,<br />
magaliTad, ergneTis e. w. bazroba.<br />
saxelmwifom daiwyo 90-ianebSi,<br />
praqtikulad, ufasod miTvisebuli<br />
qonebis moZieba da nawilobriv<br />
ukan dabruneba, romlis drosac<br />
sakmaod moiTbes xeli gaiZvera individebmac<br />
da sakuTar saxelze<br />
gadaiformes naqurdali, principiT,<br />
_ qurdis qurdi cxondao. es<br />
procesi bunebrivi da gardauvali<br />
iyo axalbeda saxelmwifosTvis, magram,<br />
amave dros, sabedisweroc<br />
aRmoCnda. cxadia, privilegia da<br />
qonebadakarguli speqtri ver Seegueboda<br />
saxelmwifos Camoyalibebas.<br />
ase gaTamaSda 90-ianebis putCis<br />
xaverdovani versia qarTuli<br />
warmoSobis rusi saqmosnis meTaurobiT.<br />
daiwyo saxelmwifo qonebis<br />
gadanawilebis axali etapi.<br />
am procesis ideologebad isev<br />
sabWoTa periodis fsevdointelegencia<br />
da axalTaobis „aznaurobis<br />
maZieblebi” mogvevlinen.<br />
`mogexsenebaT, xazinis qurdebisa da<br />
kriminalebisTvis yvelaze saSiSi kargad<br />
Camoyalibebuli saxelmwifo institutebia.<br />
postsabWoTa miliarderebSi, praqtikulad,<br />
yvelas kriminaluri gziT aqvs mopovebuli<br />
qoneba, saqarTvelo ki amJamad erT-erTi aseTi<br />
egzemplaris de faqto piradi sakuTrebaa,<br />
aqedan gamomdinare yvela SedegiT~<br />
ase gadaiqcnen 90-iani wlebis<br />
„provinciuli faSizmis” winaaRmdeg<br />
mebrZolni axali yaidis „antinacistebad”.<br />
mogexsenebaT, xazinis<br />
qurdebisa da kriminalebisTvis<br />
yvelaze saSiSi kargad Camoyalibebuli<br />
saxelmwifo institutebia.<br />
postsabWoTa miliarderebSi, praqtikulad,<br />
yvelas kriminaluri<br />
gziT aqvs mopovebuli qoneba, saqarTvelo<br />
ki amJamad erT-erTi ase-<br />
Ti egzemplaris de faqto piradi<br />
sakuTrebaa, aqedan gamomdinare<br />
yvela SedegiT.<br />
_ saqarTvelos xelisufleba<br />
Znelad, an sulac ar aRiarebs<br />
mcocav okupacias, process, isev<br />
da isev, 9 wlis winandel „ambebs”<br />
ukavSirebs. es ra sindromia? xe-<br />
lisuflebas _ Jargons gamoviy-<br />
eneb _ „utydeba” aRiaros, rom<br />
ver ewinaaRmdegeba process, Tu<br />
teritoriebis Cabarebaze xuWavs<br />
Tvals da uwyobs xels?<br />
_ okupaciis aRiareba da teritoriuli<br />
mTlianobis aRdgena seriozul<br />
muSaobas moiTxovs rogorc<br />
politikur, aseve ekonomikur<br />
frontze. saqarTvelos ar aqvs<br />
imis fufuneba, rom pasiurad elodos<br />
movlenebis ganviTarebas. dro<br />
Cven winaaRmdeg muSaobs; gansaku-<br />
TrebiT okupirebul teritoriebze,<br />
romelTa aTviseba okupantebis<br />
mier Tumca, sabednierod, nela,<br />
magram mainc mimdinareobs. aqtiurobaa<br />
saWiro; metic _ hiperaqtiuroba.<br />
saerTaSoriso politikur<br />
speqtrs mudmivad unda SevaxsenoT<br />
Cveni problemebis mogvarebis<br />
aucilebloba, maTTan saubris<br />
dasawyebad ki ukve miRweuli warmatebebis<br />
Cvenebaa saWiro, Tundac<br />
ekonomikur frontze, ris meSveobiTac<br />
davamtkicebT, rom seriozuli<br />
qveyana varT seriozuli<br />
miznebiT da ara umweo bananis respublika.<br />
am dros ki qveyanas de faqto<br />
marTavs miliarderi, romelic<br />
Tavisi piradi Sexedulebebis mixedviT<br />
ayalibebs axal-axal mTavrobebs.<br />
logikuria, rom am mTavrobebis<br />
wevrTa mTavari mizani piradi<br />
finansuri uzrunvelyofis<br />
swrafi mopovebaa da maT arc imis<br />
dro da motivacia aqvT, rom mZlavri<br />
saxelmwifo institutebi Seqmnan,<br />
an saerTaSoriso arenaze sakuTari<br />
qveynis interesebs sdion.<br />
saxelmwifos de faqto mmarTvelma<br />
zustad Camoayaliba Tavisi<br />
„politikuri” doqtrina, romlis<br />
mixedviTac saqarTvelo unda iyos<br />
„neitraluri”, umniSvnelo qveyana,<br />
romelic arasodes Seecdeba, ruseTsa<br />
da progresul msoflios<br />
Soris dapirispirebis elementi<br />
gaxdes. Sesabamisad, misi brZanebiT<br />
saqarTvelom uari uTxra ruseT-<br />
Tan molaparakebaSi daxmarebaze<br />
mokavSireebs da okupantTan saubris<br />
reJimi karasin-abaSiZis naxevrad<br />
legalur, gaurkvevel formatSi<br />
gadaiyvana, aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
yvela arsebuli SedegiT.<br />
vinaidan amJamindel marionetul<br />
mTavrobas arc survili aqvs<br />
da arc SesaZlebloba, rom raime<br />
qmediTi nabiji gadadgas am mimarTulebiT,<br />
isini agrZeleben wina<br />
mTavrobis gauTavebel braldebebs<br />
da aviwydebaT elementaruli<br />
WeSmariteba, rom maT TavianTi<br />
surviliT gadaibares winamorbed-<br />
Ta politikuri memkvidreoba da<br />
qveynis marTva, aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
yvela saxelmwifoebrivi pasuxismgeblobiT.<br />
swored amitom aris samwuxarosTan<br />
erTad amazrzeni maTi gauTavebeli<br />
wuwuni.<br />
16 N30 (207) 15.08-21.08.2017 w.
_ CvenTan bevrisTvis gaugebaria<br />
diplomatiisa da gansakuTre-<br />
biT aSS-is diplomatiuri ena.<br />
saqarTveloSi vizitad myofma<br />
aSS-is vice- prezidentma bevri<br />
mniSvnelovani gzavnili gaaxmova-<br />
na. gansakuTrebiT avitaceT: saqarTvelo<br />
iqneba erTiani. da aq Cn-<br />
deba kiTxvebi, _ rodis, ra unda<br />
gavakeToT amisTvis? aseve, sain-<br />
tereso iyo fraza imis Sesaxeb,<br />
rom aSS iqneba CvenTan da isev<br />
kiTxva, _ ra viTarebaSi? omi rom<br />
daiwyos ruseTma, iomebs? anu<br />
gTxovT, vrclad ganmartoT,<br />
Tqven rogor gaigeT da ras niS-<br />
navda pensis gzavnilebi?<br />
_ aSS-is vice-prezidentis viziti<br />
uaRresad mniSvnelovani movlena<br />
iyo saqarTvelos uaxles istoriaSi.<br />
Tavisi mniSvnelobiT igi<br />
aRemateboda jorj buSis vizitsac<br />
ki, radgan Tavad epoqaa bevrad<br />
ufro gadamwyveti da, amave<br />
dros, sabedisweroc saqarTvelos<br />
momavlisTvis. prezidentma trampma<br />
sruliad axali etapi daiwyo<br />
amerikis istoriaSi. igi arc tradiciuli<br />
respublikelia da arc<br />
demokrati. mas Tavisi Sexedulebebi<br />
aqvs rogorc saSinao, aseve sagareo<br />
frontebze da misi principebi<br />
agebulia mSral, amerikisTvis<br />
sasargeblo pragmatizmze. Sesabamisad,<br />
aseT periodSi amerikis mier<br />
saqarTvelos gamocxadeba erTgul<br />
mokavSired niSnavs, rom aSS ar<br />
apirebs Tavis mokavSireobriv valdebulebebze<br />
uaris Tqmas. es ki<br />
sabolood aqarwylebs bolodroindel<br />
politikur spekulaciebs,<br />
romelTa Tanaxmadac prezidentma<br />
trampma ruseTs dauTmo Tavisi<br />
yofili gavlenis sferoebi sabWo-<br />
Ta warsulidan.<br />
rac Seexeba Cvens gasakeTebels,<br />
albaT, gaxsovT 2012 wels gavrcelebuli<br />
Worebi, romelTa Tanaxmadac<br />
ruseTi saqarTveloSi SemoiWreboda,<br />
Tu koalicia „ocneba”<br />
ver moipovebda gamarjvebas. es<br />
gaxldaT Zalian Wkvianuri da mzakvruli<br />
diversiis nayofi da misi<br />
eqo dResac warmatebiT muSaobs.<br />
swored am Worebis xarjze inar-<br />
Cunebs „ocneba” politikur gavlenas<br />
da mis winaaRmdeg mimarTuli<br />
masStaburi aqciebis SemTxvevaSi<br />
ruseTis agresiiT aSinebs gulubryvilo<br />
sazogadoebas.<br />
vice-prezidentis diplomatiuri<br />
gancxadeba ki swored imas ni-<br />
Snavs, rom qarTul sazogadoebas<br />
SeuZlia mSvidad gaagrZelos sakuTari<br />
Sinauri problemebis mogvareba<br />
da spekulaciebi ruseTis<br />
SemoWraze, mTavrobis sawinaaRmdego<br />
masStaburi aqciebis SemTxvevaSi,<br />
usafuZvloa.<br />
rac Seexeba SekiTxvas, ras gaakeTebs<br />
amerika ruseTis agresiis<br />
SemTxvevaSi, amaze saubari mxolod<br />
logikuri spekulaciebis doneze<br />
SeiZleba, magram Tu gavixsenebT im<br />
faqts, rom 2008 wels ruseTis<br />
agresia SeCerda mas Semdeg, rac pentagonSi<br />
rokis gvirabze wertilovani<br />
sahaero dartymebis SesaZleblobebis<br />
ganxilva daiwyo, pasuxs<br />
Tavadac mivxvdebiT. miT umetes,<br />
rom putins aranairad ar aZlevs<br />
xels ambiciuri, ficxi da araordinaruli<br />
donald trampis moTminebis<br />
Tavxeduri gamocda. amerika<br />
aRar Caylapavs aseT Seuracxyofas.<br />
_ aSS-dan rogor imzireba<br />
dRevandeli saqarTvelo da aq<br />
mimdinare sazogadoebrivi da<br />
politikuri procesebi? Tundac<br />
is garemoeba, rodesac wina xe-<br />
lisuflebas samarTlianad sTx-<br />
ovdnen adamianis uflebebis dacvas<br />
da am xelisuflebis pirobeb-<br />
Si, velodebiT gamoZiebebis dasrulebas<br />
da mere Temebi, sakiTxe-<br />
bi gvaviwydeba. opozicia ki Tema-<br />
tur sakiTxebzec ver axerxebs<br />
gaerTianebas...<br />
_ samwuxarod, qarTuli sazogadoeba<br />
Segnebulad ambobs uars im<br />
martivi faqtis gaazrebaze, rom<br />
axal mTavrobas evaleba rogorc<br />
Zveli mTavrobis mier daSvebuli<br />
Secdomebis gamosworeba, aseve ma-<br />
Ti dawyebuli kargi saqmeebis gagrZeleba.<br />
„im 9 wlis” miRwevebis<br />
ugulebelyofam da mTlianad<br />
negatiur aspeqtSi gadayvanam martivad<br />
Caugdo xelSi universaluri<br />
indulgencia axal mTavrobas.<br />
nebismieri umoqmedobisa da<br />
warumateblobis SemTxvevaSi isini<br />
mxolod winamorbedebis mimarTulebiT<br />
iSveren TiTs.<br />
Sedegic saxezea: miknavebuli ekonomika,<br />
siRatake, Caflavebuli<br />
socialuri programebi, magaliTad,<br />
_ sayovelTao jandacvis mavnebluri<br />
iniciativa, nihilizmi, emigraciis<br />
kidev ufro gazrda, qveynisTvis<br />
mniSvnelovani strategiuli<br />
proeqtebis dakonserveba gaurkveveli<br />
vadiT; fantasmagoriuli<br />
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konfliqtis provokatorad da TavdacviTi samamulo omi gadahyavs<br />
provokaciul agresiaSi. am gancxadebas momavalSi aucileblad gamoiyeneben<br />
Cven winaaRmdeg, rodesac saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba gardauvlad daiwyebs<br />
saqarTvelos teritoriuli mTlianobis aRsadgenad saWiro iuridiul<br />
procesebs. saqarTvelos SeiaraRebul Zalebs erTi milimetriTac ar<br />
daurRveviaT qveynis saxelmwifo sazRvari da omi mimdinareobda<br />
saqarTvelos teritoriaze ukanonod SemoWril ruseTis SeiaraRebul<br />
ZalebTan. Sesabamisad, saqarTvelosTvis omis dawyebis braldeba aris sruli<br />
iuridiuli absurdi, Tumca mSvenieri sakbiloa saqarTvelos mTavrobis<br />
`aRiarebiT~ waxalisebuli demagogi oponentebisTvis~<br />
ani teqnologiuri universiteti<br />
da a. S.<br />
mokled rom vTqvaT, qarTul<br />
sazogadoebas ver warmoudgenia,<br />
rom yoveli axali mTavroba Tanmimdevrulad<br />
unda mihyvebodes<br />
saxelmwifo interesebs. amrigad,<br />
SekveTa mudmivad ngrevaze da yvelafris<br />
axlidan Senebazea; Sesabamisad,<br />
SeuZlebelia ramdenime dekadaze<br />
gawerili saerTo erovnuli<br />
miznebisa da strategiebis Camoyalibebac.<br />
qarTuli sazogadoebis Sekve-<br />
Tis Tanaxmad, moqmedebs qarTuli<br />
politikuri speqtric. amitomac<br />
ver xdeba gaerTianeba erTi mTavari<br />
platformis irgvliv. arada,<br />
TiTqosda banalurad martivia,<br />
rom qarTuli saxelmwifos idea<br />
universaluri gamaerTianebeli<br />
unda iyos yvela moazrovne politikosisTvis.<br />
_ Tqveni Sefaseba mainteresebs<br />
erT sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT: pi-<br />
radad me STabeWdileba mrCeba,<br />
rom xelisuflebis warmatebebad<br />
wodebuli asocirebis xelSekuleba,<br />
vizaliberalizacia, Tundac<br />
pensis viziti da gancxadebe-<br />
bi, ufro xelisuflebis iZulebaa<br />
qarTuli saxelmwifos sakeTil-<br />
dReod, vidre mTavrobis survili,<br />
gadadgas konkretuli nabije-<br />
`koalicia `ocnebam~ da uSualod misma<br />
erTpirovnulma liderma 2012 wels Tavis<br />
winasaarCevno doqtrinaSi araerTxel gaakeTa<br />
oficialuri gancxadeba, rom 2008 wlis<br />
samamulo omi daiwyo saqarTvelom. garda<br />
imisa, rom es sruli absurdia saerTaSoriso<br />
iuridiuli kanonmdeblobis mixedviT, aris<br />
politikuri mavneblobac, rac absoluturad<br />
logikurad eqvemdebareba saxelmwifo<br />
interesebis Ralatis kategorias, Tavi rom<br />
davaneboT saxelmwifo mniSvnelobis moralur-<br />
eTikur kategoriebs, rodesac pirad<br />
Seuracxyofas ayeneb SeiaraRebuli Zalebis<br />
umaRles mTavarsardals da mTlianad qarTul<br />
armias, romelsac daufiqreblad aniWeb<br />
samxedro provokatoris statuss~<br />
bi saerTaSoriso sikeTis misaRebad.<br />
Tqven rogori STabeWdile-<br />
bebi da Sefasebebi gaqvT am sak-<br />
iTxze?<br />
_ wina pasuxebSi sakmaod vrclad<br />
Camovayalibe yvela is mizezi,<br />
romlis gamoc saqarTvelos amJamindel<br />
mTavrobas ar aqvs motivacia,<br />
raime qmediTi nabiji gadadgas<br />
qveynis sakeTildReod. mTavrobis<br />
umaRles pirebs irCevs ara<br />
xalxi, aramed erTi pirovneba, Sesabamisad,<br />
isini angariSvaldebuli<br />
arian am pirovnebisa da ara xalxis<br />
mimarT.<br />
saerTaSoriso Tanamegobroba,<br />
igive aSS, pativs scems qarTveli<br />
xalxis arCevans, rogoric ar unda<br />
iyos is. amJamindeli mTavroba ki<br />
qarTveli xalxis demokratiul,<br />
uzenaes nebad aris aRiarebuli da<br />
ar arsebobs araviTari iuridiuli<br />
safuZveli amis sawinaaRmdegod.<br />
opoziciac udrtvinvelad TanamSromlobs<br />
mTavrobasTan. Cvens<br />
megobrebs da mokavSireebs mxolod<br />
erTis gakeTeba SeuZliaT: isini<br />
maqsimalurad Seecdebian, rom<br />
gauTvaliswinebelma sagareo faqtorebma<br />
ar moaxdinon zegavlena<br />
qveynis SigniT mimdinare politikur<br />
procesebze. danarCeni ki Tavad<br />
qarTveli xalxis gasakeTebelia.<br />
swored amiT gansxvavdeba dasavluri<br />
mxardaWera rusulisgan,<br />
romelic Tavad cdilobs politikuri<br />
procesebis marTvas Cvens<br />
qveyanaSi politikuri, ekonomikuri<br />
da SeiaraRebuli diversiebis<br />
gziT.<br />
_ ar SemiZlia ar gkiTxoT<br />
saakaSvilze. namdvilad ar gan-<br />
vekuTvnebi misi apologetebis<br />
rigebs, ufro piriqiT _ dResac<br />
maqvs myari argumentebi, vakritiko<br />
igi, gansakuTrebiT im nawil-<br />
Si, rodesac politikur avanscenaze<br />
myof ruseTumeebis mniS-<br />
vnelovan nawils politikuri si-<br />
cocxlis ufleba misca da dRes<br />
bevri maTgani xelisuflebaSia, an<br />
mniSvnelovani politikuri aqti-<br />
oria. aris sxva uamravi sakiTxic,<br />
razedac masTan dava SeiZleba,<br />
iseve rogorc arc obieqturi<br />
madliereba gvawyenda. dRes saq-<br />
arTvelos mosaxleobis nawilis-<br />
Tvis saakaSvili guSindeli dRea,<br />
sxvisTvis _ momavali. Tqven rog-<br />
or da sad xedavT mis politikur<br />
momavals?<br />
_ mixeil saakaSvili imdenad<br />
araordinaruli politikosia da<br />
iseT araordinarul pirobebSi<br />
moRvaweobs, rom misi Semdgomi<br />
politikuri karieris logikuri<br />
winaswari gaTvla sruliad Seu-<br />
Zlebelia. trampis gaTvla sul<br />
sxva saqme iyo. marTalia, isic araordinaruli<br />
pirovnebaa, magram<br />
moRvaweobs Camoyalibebul politikur<br />
sivrceSi.<br />
Cemi azriT, mxolod ukrainuli<br />
epopeis dasrulebis Semdeg gaxdeba<br />
SesaZlebeli prezidentis momavlis<br />
winaswarmetyveleba saqarTvelosTan<br />
mimarTebiT. ukraina ki<br />
iseTi kerketi kakali Cans, rom, jerjerobiT,<br />
Sedegebi, albaT, ukiduresad<br />
pozitiuri, an ukiduresad<br />
negatiuri iqneba. samwuxarod,<br />
Sualeduri poziciis dakaveba iq<br />
ar moxerxdeba. gulwrfelad vusurveb<br />
warmatebas!<br />
_ ise, codva gamxelili sjobs<br />
da 2012 wlis movlenebSi mniSvnelovani<br />
roli iTamaSa emigra-<br />
ciam. maSin „nacionalurma moZraobam”<br />
TiTqmis mTel sazRvarga-<br />
reTSi waao arCevnebi. Tqven mWi-<br />
dro kontaqtebi gaqvT qarTvel<br />
emigrantebTan da rogoria amJa-<br />
mad maTi ganwyobebi?<br />
_ emigracias namdvilad ar uTamaSia<br />
gadamwyveti roli, miuxedavad<br />
sazRvargareT wagebuli arCevnebisa.<br />
es bunebrivic iyo. ivaniSvilis<br />
mier dafinansebulma agitatorebma<br />
efeqtianad warmarTes<br />
TavianTi saqmianoba da Sesabamisi<br />
jildoebic miiRes post-faqtum.<br />
Zalian cudad imuSaves qarTulma<br />
diplomatiurma samsaxurebmac.<br />
swored maT evalebodaT diasporebTan<br />
mWidro kavSiri da emigrantTa<br />
sazogadoebaSi TavianTi<br />
mTavrobis saqmianobis adekvaturi<br />
popularizacia. luiziana-misisipiSi<br />
qarTveli emigrantebis raodenoba<br />
minimaluria, amitom me naklebad<br />
vflob obieqtur informacias<br />
didi diasporebis ganwyobis<br />
Sesaxeb. ise ki, mgonia, rom saqar-<br />
Tvelos mosaxleobis ganwyobis<br />
adekvaturi iqneba Sesabamisi procentuli<br />
speqtrebiT.<br />
_ dabolos, arapolitikuri<br />
kiTxva: qarTvelebma, ratomRac,<br />
SevisisxlxorceT erTi rusuli<br />
gamonaTqvami, _ yvelgan kargia,<br />
sadac<br />
ac Cven ar varT... magram „iq” _<br />
yvelgan kargad yofnas didi Sro-<br />
ma da jafa sWirdeba. ai, es ar<br />
gvaxsovs xolme da vfiqrobT, rom<br />
sxvagan advilad mivaRwevT yve-<br />
lafers. arsebobs mza recepti<br />
imisa, rogor unda viyoT kargad<br />
„iq”, sadac varT da ara yvelgan,<br />
sadac ar varT?<br />
_ amerikelebsac aqvT msgavsi<br />
gamoTqma, _ Robis gadaRma mdelo<br />
ufro mwvanea. es adamianis universaluri<br />
bunebis gamoZaxilia, vidre<br />
qarTuli bunebis. Tavis<br />
damkvidrebas da warmatebas yvelgan<br />
didi Sroma da msxverplSewirva<br />
sWirdeba. Camoyalibebul saxelmwifoebSi<br />
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metad fasdeba, vidre CamouyalibebelSi.<br />
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idges moqalaqeSi yvelaze maRla<br />
saxelmwifoebrivi interesebi da<br />
swored amitom unda sTxovdes<br />
moqalaqe am interesebis ganuxrelad<br />
dacvas politikosebs.<br />
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amis mizezi is gaxldaT,<br />
maTTvis „afxazuri moqalaqeobis”<br />
miniWebas, radgan afxazur reJims<br />
ruseTTan „ormagi moqalaqeobis”<br />
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erT rameze _ afxazebi eZeben<br />
gzebs, Tu rogor daukargon<br />
galis e. w. administraciis xe-<br />
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saqarTvelos moqalaqea. es xalxi<br />
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afxazeTisa da saqarTvelos mo-<br />
qalaqe. afxazuri kanonmdebloba<br />
ar uSvebs ormag moqalaqeobas,<br />
gamonaklisi mxolod ruseTis moqalaqeebze<br />
vrceldeba. binadro-<br />
bis nebarTvis qona sabuTis<br />
mflobelis politikur cxovre-<br />
baSi monawileobas gamoricxavs.<br />
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cxovrebis nebarTvis dokumentis<br />
gacema daiwyo, am doku-<br />
mentiT ar geqnebaT politikur<br />
cxovrebaSi monawileobis, parla-<br />
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qarTvelos moqalaqeobaze da<br />
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gzebs, rogor<br />
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qarTvelebs<br />
saqarTvelos<br />
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iCqaros, imitom, rom 2018 wlis<br />
1-li ianvridan arc sabWoTa pasp-<br />
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aRar imoqmedebs. imoqmedebs, mx-<br />
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pasporti da cxovrebis nebarT-<br />
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ra miznebs isaxavs galSi axali<br />
wlidan dagegmili e. w. pasporti-<br />
zacia?<br />
_ pasportizaciis sakiTxi, an<br />
raime iseTi dokumentis gacema,<br />
romelic galis raionis mcxovreblebs<br />
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mimarTuli ar ariso, putins mosvenebas ar<br />
aZlevs natos jariskacebis yofna saqarTvelos<br />
teritoriaze. qarTuli qvedanayofebis<br />
gawvrTna misTvis araklebi Tavsatexia. mas jer<br />
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putins namdvilad ar surs miiRos Tavis<br />
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mimarTavs amis winaaRmdeg, Tumca ruseTis<br />
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xanSi gadawyvetda, galis mosaxleoba<br />
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faratina qaRaldsac ki, romelsac<br />
afxazuri reJimi gascems.<br />
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imis Sesaxeb,<br />
Tu ra saxis<br />
statusi<br />
unda hqondeT<br />
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problemas xedaven<br />
im faqtSi,<br />
rom galis mosaxleobis<br />
umetesoba<br />
saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqea da isini<br />
amas arc malaven.<br />
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uari Tqvan saqarTvelos moqalaqeobaze<br />
ruseTis moqalaqeobis<br />
sasargeblod; xolo mas Semdeg,<br />
rac isini rusul moqalaqeobas miiReben,<br />
afxazuri mxare SeZlebs<br />
iqaur qarTvelebs saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqeoba, moswyviton Tbiliss<br />
da Tavs moaxvion „afxazuri identoba”.<br />
_ rac Seexeba soxumSi putinis<br />
vizits da sazogadoebriv-poli-<br />
tikur fons, romelic sadReisod<br />
iq arsebobs?<br />
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vladimir putinis viziti<br />
afxazeTSi sam ZiriTad mizans emsaxureboda:<br />
pirveli da mTavari _<br />
gzavnili msoflios, rom afxaze-<br />
Ti warmoadgens rusuli interese-<br />
si turistebis usafrTxoebis<br />
uzrunvelyofis aucileblobaze.<br />
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ruseTidan gadmosaxlebuli qalbatonis<br />
„dauToveba”, didi afe-<br />
Tqeba samxedro sawyobSi, romelsac<br />
rusi turistebi emsxverplnen)<br />
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Zlebelia, saer-<br />
Tod gamovides<br />
ruseTis kontrolidan<br />
da afxazebma,<br />
romlebic<br />
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rusebs (romelTac<br />
verasodes ver itandnen,<br />
magram uwevdaT<br />
naZaladevi Rimili, rom<br />
„damoukideblobisTvis” mieRwiaT),<br />
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„mama-marCenals”. swored es<br />
aSfoTebs moskovs da putinis<br />
vizitisas am Temas erT-erTi centraluri<br />
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msoflios, rom afxazeTi warmoadgens rusuli<br />
interesebis sferos da es mesiji iyo pasuxi<br />
saqarTveloSi aSS-s vice-prezidentis, maik pensis<br />
vizitze. meore sakiTxi: putinis viziti daemTxva<br />
sakmaod rTul periods afxazeTSi - kriminogenuri<br />
situaciis gauaresebas, romelTa msxverpli rusi<br />
turistebi gaxdnen. Tavisi vizitisas putinma<br />
sakmaod mwvaved gaamaxvila yuradReba rusi<br />
turistebis usafrTxoebis uzrunvelyofis<br />
aucileblobaze. da mesame sakiTxi, romelic<br />
meores aris mibmuli: erToblivi sainformacio<br />
centris Seqmna, romelmac unda uzrunvelyos<br />
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_ sanam putini afxazeTs stumrobda,<br />
aRmosavleT saqarTvelo-<br />
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partniori 2017" tardeboda.<br />
es swavlebebi seriozuli<br />
mesijia dasavleTisa da, pirvel<br />
rigSi, aSS-s mxridan, rom isini seriozulad<br />
uyureben saqarTvelos<br />
natoSi gawevrianebis perspeqtivas.<br />
amis Sesaxeb sakmaod seriozulad<br />
saubroben aSS-s saxelmwifo<br />
departamentSi da sakmaod mkacrad<br />
iyo gaJRerebuli es postulatebi<br />
maik pensis vizitisas saqarTveloSi.<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom araerTxel<br />
gaxmovanda, es swavlebebi mesame<br />
qveynis winaaRmdeg mimarTuli<br />
ar ariso, putins mosvenebas ar<br />
aZlevs natos jariskacebis yofna<br />
saqarTvelos teritoriaze. qarTuli<br />
qvedanayofebis gawvrTna mis-<br />
Tvis araklebi Tavsatexia. mas jer<br />
isic ver mounelebia, Tu rogori<br />
winaaRmdegoba gauwia natos mier<br />
gawvrTnilma qarTulma jarma<br />
rusebs 2008 wlis agvistoSi.<br />
putins namdvilad ar surs miiRos<br />
Tavis sazRvrebTan mis mimarT<br />
avad ganwyobili kidev erTi<br />
israeli (mxedvelobaSi maqvs saqarTvelos<br />
sajariso momzadeba),<br />
amitom is yvela Rones mimarTavs<br />
amis winaaRmdeg, Tumca ruseTis<br />
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afxazebi problemas xedaven im faqtSi, rom<br />
galis mosaxleobis umetesoba saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqea da isini amas arc malaven.<br />
amitom gadawyda, rom maT binadrobis<br />
mowmobebi mieceT. es dokumenti galelebs<br />
saSualebas miscems, Tavisuflad<br />
gadaadgildnen okupirebul teritoriaze,<br />
magram ar miscems uflebas, monawileoba<br />
miiRon iseT politikur procesebSi,<br />
rogoric arCevnebia~<br />
amitomac yvela saerTaSoriso<br />
swavleba uproblemod tardeba<br />
saqarTvelos teritoriaze, miuxedavad<br />
kremlis yayanisa. sabednierod,<br />
msoflioSi arsebuli foni<br />
ar aZlevs putins saSualebas, kidev<br />
erTi masStaburi provokacia<br />
ganaxorcielos saqarTvelos mimarT,<br />
Sesabamisad, Cven gegmurad unda<br />
ganvaxorcieloT sajariso mzadeba<br />
da svla natosken.<br />
_ okupaciis zonebSi mimdinare<br />
procesebi, „sazRvrebis” gadmow-<br />
eva da amaze Cveni xelisuflebis<br />
reagireba rogoria?<br />
_ borderizaciis procesi, romelsac<br />
rusi okupanti saqarTvelos<br />
teritoriaze axorcielebs,<br />
seriozul Tavsatkivars warmoadgens<br />
saqarTvelosTvis. okupaciis<br />
xazi ukve 400 metrSia centraluri<br />
avtomagistralidan. didi mniSvneloba<br />
okupaciis TvalsazrisiT<br />
namdvilad ar aqvs im faqts, is 400<br />
metrSia Tu 800-Si, radgan sazRvari<br />
gadis kavkasionze da rusebis<br />
bogini saqarTvelos miwis nebismier<br />
monakveTze CvenTvis problemuria.<br />
samwuxarod, dRes raime SesaZlebloba,<br />
am process xeli SevuSaloT,<br />
ar arsebobs. unda gagrZeldes saer-<br />
TaSoriso Zalisxmevis mobilizeba<br />
okupaciis problemis winaaRmdeg,<br />
amave dros, aucilebelia moxdes<br />
okupaciis mTeli zolis patrulireba,<br />
raTa uzrunvelvyoT okupaciis<br />
xazis mimdebare teritoriaze<br />
mcxovrebi saqarTvelos moqalaqeebis<br />
usafrTxoeba, rom okupantebi<br />
kontrolirebad teritoriaze<br />
ver gadmodiodnen da aqedan<br />
xalxi ver gaitacon.<br />
aqamde es problema cxinvalis<br />
mimarTulebiT iyo, bolo dros ki<br />
afxazeTis mimarTulebiTac SeiniSneba<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom enguris<br />
napiris kontroli sakmaod<br />
advilia, cxinvalis saokupacio<br />
zolTan SedarebiT.<br />
okupantebi uproblemod gadmodian<br />
engurze da Cven mier „kontrolirebadi”<br />
teritoriidan<br />
sruliad ukontrolod mihyavT<br />
Cveni moqalaqeebi.<br />
amasobaSi, saqarTvelos xelisuflebis<br />
pozicia „ruseTis argaziRianebis”<br />
samsaxurSia da amas<br />
faraven, rogorc „provokaciis<br />
Tavidan acilebis mcdelobebs”.<br />
aseTi umoqmedoba okupantebs sa-<br />
Sualebas aZlevs, sruliad dausjelad<br />
imoqmedon im teritoriebze,<br />
romelic, wesiT, Cven mier<br />
kontrolirebadad iwodeba.<br />
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saqarTveloSi adgilobrivi<br />
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kuri Sedegebic swored am dr-<br />
os gamoCndeba. manamde ki visaubroT<br />
im politikur partie-<br />
bze, romlebic am arCevnebSi<br />
monawileoben. Tqveni azriT,<br />
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_ miuxedavad imisa, rom qveyanaSi<br />
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vaSenebT, realoba da qarTuli<br />
sinamdvile amisgan, jer kidev,<br />
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sWirdeba seriozuli politikuri<br />
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aseTi realoba da situacia<br />
saqarTveloSi ar aris. partiebi<br />
arian mxolod pirdapir<br />
an iribad asocirebulni erTor<br />
pirovnebasTan, romlebic am<br />
partiebs arsebiTad akontroleben,<br />
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axlavs da rac gvaSorebs<br />
dasavlur demokratias, is aris,<br />
rom partiebi eleqtoratis<br />
interesebs adekvaturad ar gamoxataven.<br />
raRac populisturi<br />
TemiT maT SeuZliaT adamianebis<br />
jgufis mobilizeba, maT Soris,<br />
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pirovnebebis nebis gamoxatuleba<br />
gvaqvs, maT mier sakuTari<br />
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da, meore mxriv, finansurad<br />
mdidari jgufebis mier<br />
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gakontroleba da arapirdapiri<br />
gziT amomrCevlis mosyidva,<br />
mimxroba Tavis mxares. es<br />
aris mTeli anatomia, ase vTqvaT,<br />
Cveni politikuri speqtrisa.<br />
amitom Tu vityviT, „erTiani<br />
nacionaluri moZraoba” daiSala<br />
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da praqtikul saqmianobaSi<br />
miuxedavad seriozuli si-<br />
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saqarTvelosa” da „erTian<br />
nacionalur moZraobas Soris”,<br />
perspeqtivaSi arCevnebis Semdeg<br />
maTi erTad dadgoma, Cemi<br />
azriT, SesaZlebelia, rom araferi<br />
vTqvaT xelisuflebis,<br />
anu biZina ivaniSvilis mxridan<br />
kontrolirebad yofil demarSebze.<br />
aqac, sadRac, erTi<br />
fronti SeiZleba Seikras ara<br />
marto adgilobrivi TviTmmar-<br />
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aramed mTavari arCevnebis, anu<br />
2020 wlis arCevnebis Sedegebis<br />
Semdeg da es dasaSvebia. principSi,<br />
rom ara maTi da sazogadoebis<br />
mowyveta erTmaneTisgan,<br />
qarTuli demokratiisa da<br />
qveynis interesebisTvis Sei-<br />
Zleba aseTi SesaZlebloba arsebiTad<br />
misaRebic iyos imitom,<br />
rom prodasavluri kursis Tanmimdevrulobasa<br />
da uwyvetobas<br />
uzrunvelyofs. Tuki es<br />
gaurkveveli simbiozi, rasac<br />
warmoadgens „qarTuli ocneba<br />
_ demokratiuli saqarTvelo”<br />
_ daiSleba, radgan biZina ivaniSvili<br />
an gadawyvets, an iZulebuli<br />
iqneba, ase moiqces,<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, SesaZloa,<br />
biZina ivaniSvili iZulebuli<br />
gaxdes, rom Tavis mierve dafuZnebuli<br />
partiac moxnas poziciidan<br />
da TviTonac gaeridos<br />
politikur da qveynis mar-<br />
Tvis arenas. amis SesaZleblobas<br />
ar gamovricxav, miT umetes,<br />
misi saeWvo gauCinarebis fonze,<br />
romelic saerTod SeuTavsebeli<br />
da warmoudgenelia<br />
demokratiis elementarul<br />
principebTan. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
ukideuresad pirobiTi<br />
realoba gvaqvs, es tendenciebi,<br />
miT ufro, adgilobrivi<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebis<br />
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planze ar wamova, ragan Cveni<br />
strategiuli partniorebi<br />
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amis saSualebas ar miscemen,<br />
maT aqvT kontrolis<br />
qmediTi berketebi da meqanizmebi.<br />
es analizi imitom daviwye,<br />
rom Tu „qarTul ocnebas”<br />
da „nacionalur moZraobas” es<br />
xazi moeSleba, romelic umravlesobiT<br />
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xalxis mxardaWera<br />
bolo dros Seumcrda, rac<br />
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piradad me zogierTi aseTad<br />
ar mimaCnia, magram aseTia<br />
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da Sefasebebis amplituda.<br />
maTi gamosvla arenaze mTavar<br />
aqtorebad didi kataklizmebisa<br />
da teqtonikuri Zvrebis gareSe<br />
kavkasiaSi, regionSi Seu-<br />
Zlebelia da aseT teqtonikur<br />
Zvrebs me mainc gamovricxav.<br />
minda mjerodes, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
da kavkasiaSi ar gadaikveTeba<br />
dasavleTisa da ruseTis,<br />
TurqeT-iranis interesebi<br />
da aq ar gaCaRdeba siria. amas<br />
me mainc ver vxedav. minda, rom<br />
ase ar moxdes da amisTvis yvelafers<br />
gavakeTeb, rogorc am<br />
qveynis erTi moqalaqe. amitom<br />
adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
arCevnebSi Tbiliss akontrolebdes<br />
„erTiani nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” da qveyanas<br />
marTavdes „qarTuli ocneba”,<br />
Cven demokratiis is xarisxi ar<br />
gvaqvs, rom es dasaSvebi iyos.<br />
es seriozul konfliqts warmoSobs,<br />
es ar aris poloneTi,<br />
miT umetes, ar aris safrange-<br />
Ti, rom sxvadasxva Zala iyos<br />
prezidenti, premieri, sxvadasxva<br />
Zala iyos sakanonmdeblo<br />
vaJa beriZe:<br />
`aseTi partia _<br />
`qarTuli ocneba<br />
_ demokratiuli<br />
saqarTvelo~,<br />
ar aris!~<br />
oragnoSi warmodgenili. mainc<br />
mgonia, rom arsebiTi dapirispireba<br />
moxdeba kalaZesa da<br />
udumaSvils Soris, imitom ara,<br />
rom isini politikuri figurebi<br />
arian. CemTvis absoluturad<br />
miuRebelia, rom isini ar<br />
arian politikuri figurebi,<br />
politikaSi axalbedaa kalaZe<br />
da saerTod axlaxan gamoCenilia<br />
udumaSvili, gadacemis<br />
wayvana, TavisTavad, ar niSnavs<br />
politikosobas. gadacemis wayvanac<br />
kargia da, miT umetes,<br />
analitikuri Jurnalistikac<br />
seriozuli sferoa. saboloo<br />
jamSi, perspeqtiva mainc am or<br />
kandidats aqvs. upiratesobas<br />
kalaZes mivaniWebdi xalxis ganwyobisa<br />
da saxelisuflebo resursis<br />
flobis gamo.<br />
_ opoziciis liderebma<br />
gancxadeba gaakeTes, prodas-<br />
avluri orientaciis partiebs<br />
gaerTianebisken mouwodes da<br />
dedaqalaqis merobis kandi-<br />
datze praimeris Catareba<br />
SesTavazes. maTi TqmiT, Tu<br />
20<br />
`biZina ivaniSvils partiul muSaobaze Tanxis<br />
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gandevna da daSala. `nacionaluri moZraoba~,<br />
faqtobrivad, daSala, `rusTavi 2" arenidan<br />
gandevna, eqspertebi da Jurnalisturi korpusi,<br />
faqtobrivad, devalvirebis gzaze daayena da<br />
mere amiT ra miiRo?! ganviTarebis perspeqtiva? -<br />
ara! raime gansakuTrebuli viTareba? - ara!<br />
ratom? imitom, rom arc biZina ivaniSvilia<br />
politikosi! politikuri procesebi sxvaa,<br />
ruseTSi biznesi sxvaa, fulis keTeba - sxva! aseTi<br />
principiT saqarTvelos marTva rTulia da<br />
Sedegs ar mogvcems! amas sWirdeba seriozuli<br />
analizi, romelic qveyanaSi ar mimdinareobs!~<br />
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opozicia ar gaerTiandeba,<br />
arCevnebs xelisufleba moi-<br />
gebs. nawilobriv Tqven ukve<br />
gaeciT am SekiTxvas pasuxi, magram<br />
ufro konkretulad, ro-<br />
gor uyurebT am gancxadebebs<br />
da ramdenad realuria maTi<br />
gaerTianeba? igive „naciona-<br />
lebi” da „evropeli demokratebi”,<br />
„girCi”, „axali saqarTv-<br />
elo” ram unda gaaerTianos,<br />
isini xom cota xnis win skan-<br />
dalebis gareSe, magram mainc<br />
gaeyarnen erTmaneTs? aqve<br />
aRvniSnav „Tavisufali demo-<br />
kratebis” gadawyvetilebas,<br />
rom TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebSi<br />
ar miiRon monawileo-<br />
ba, maT „respublikelebTan”<br />
aliansis Sesaxebac gaakeTes<br />
gancxadeba, magram, saboloo<br />
jamSi, gaerTianeba ar Sedga.<br />
Tqven rogor uyurebT am pro-<br />
cess?<br />
_ rogorc aRvniSneT, es partiebi<br />
ar warmoadgenen sazogadoebis<br />
mniSvnelovani nawilis<br />
xedvebs da interesebs, iq ufro<br />
pirovnuli ambiciebis Sejaxebaa<br />
da dapirispireba, vin<br />
iqneba wamyvani am aliansSi, vaSaZe<br />
Tu „girCi”. es ukanaskneli<br />
sakmaod eqstraordinaruli gaerTainebaa<br />
cnobili skandaluri<br />
gancxadebebiT. saerTod, aq<br />
maincdamainc principul faqtors<br />
ver vxedav. gavbedav da<br />
vityvi, rom am Zalebs ivaniSvili<br />
akontrolebs. eleqtoralurad<br />
maT ar aqvT mniSvnelovani<br />
mxardaWera, aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
principSi, isini erTian<br />
kandidaturas wamoayeneben Tu<br />
calkeul kandidatebs, amas didi<br />
mniSvneloba ar aqvs. maT SeuZliaT,<br />
arCevnebze moiyvanon<br />
amomrCevlis mcireodeni procenti,<br />
romelic ar miva arCevnebze.<br />
arCevnebze miva, erTi<br />
mxriv, pragmatuli obivateli,<br />
romelsac simSvide swyuria<br />
swrafi ganviTarebis dinamikuri<br />
procesis ararsebobis fonze<br />
„qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebis<br />
pirobebSi da meore<br />
miva ideuri „naconali”, isini<br />
qveyanaSi arian. vinc ar apirebs<br />
arCevnebze misvlas, iqidan 5-<br />
10%-is mobilizeba SeuZliaT,<br />
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maincdamainc ver vxedav,<br />
ra gansxvavebul xedvebs sTavazoben<br />
sazogadoebas „qarTuli<br />
ocnebisgan” da „erTiani nacionaluri<br />
moZraobisgan”, pirovnuli<br />
xibli, maincdamainc, arc<br />
erT maTgans ar aqvs da ratom<br />
unda mivides amomrCeveli maT<br />
gamo saarCevno ubnebTan?! miT<br />
umetes, Zalian saintereso iyo<br />
politikuri manevrebis virtuozis,<br />
daviT berZeniSvilis<br />
qmedeba (mas axasiaTebs ostaturi<br />
manevrebi), gaerTianebuliyvnen<br />
„Tavisufal demokratebTan”<br />
da aleko elisaSvili waredginaT<br />
merobis kandidatad.<br />
populistur platformaze<br />
mdgomi elisaSvili ufro seriozuli<br />
SansiT gavidoda arCevnebze.<br />
es gaerTianebac ar Sedga<br />
da aqedan gamomdinare, es politikuri<br />
mieTmoeTi aris formaluri,<br />
cxeli zafxulis fonze<br />
modis arCevnebi da aq isev<br />
ori tradiciuli partia dar-<br />
Ceba erTmaneTis pirispir. amitom<br />
rodesac iseTi gamocdili<br />
kadria, rogorebic arian „respublikelebi”,<br />
es aRarebs, rom<br />
aq Tanmimdevrul ideologiur<br />
pratformas ar aqvs Sansi umravlesobis<br />
mosapoveblad. es<br />
aris mocemuloba, romelic<br />
unda miiRos am mimarTulebis<br />
partiebma, rasac aRiarebs gamocdili<br />
politikosi, Tu man<br />
efeqturi manevri ar gaakeTa.<br />
Tavis droze, es partia xelisuflebaSi<br />
movida „erTian nacionalur<br />
moZraobasTan”, mixeil<br />
saakaSvilTan erTad, Semdeg<br />
movida biZina ivaniSvilTan<br />
erTad, isini iyeneben sxvis<br />
resurss. aleko elisaSvilis<br />
resursi mimzidvelad gamoiyureboda,<br />
magram, saboloo jam-<br />
Si, ar iyo warmatebis momtani,<br />
radgan ar aris fuli, ar aris<br />
N30 (207) 15.08-21.08.2017 w.<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
`CvenTan, saerTod, politikosebis mimarT nihilizmia, maT ar aqvT kargi<br />
reputacia, isini ar uyvarT da amis gamo xelisufleba mTlianad aris<br />
gadasuli moyvarulebis xelSi. aq, SeiZleba, fexburTeli, momRerali<br />
mogvevlinos politikosad, an, vTqvaT, menejeri kvirikaSvili, romelic amdeni<br />
xania, politikosad jer kidev ver Sedga, da saerTod, ministrebad msaxuroben<br />
adamianebi, romlebic politikaSi ministris postze movidnen. aseTi ram<br />
saqarTvelosTvis damRupvelia, radgan profesiis profanacia, romelmac Seni<br />
damoukidebloba unda uzrunvelyos, ar aris gardauvali warmatebis momtani.<br />
SeiZleba piradad me vakritikeb "erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis" ideebs da<br />
politikur nabijebs, magram isini politikosebi iyvnen. igive SeiZleba vTqvaT<br />
SevardnaZis droindel xelisuflebaze, romelmac korufciis CixSi Seiyvana<br />
qveyana, magram xelisuflebaSi politikosebi iyvnen. SevardnaZem icoda, rogor<br />
daebalansebina axalgazrdebi da Zveli gvardia. SeiZleba, ar mogwondes<br />
SevardnaZe, magram es teqnologiebi Zalian kargad esmoda~<br />
adamianuri resursi da rac<br />
mTavaria, ar aris dro, rom<br />
gaSliliyo winasaarCevno fonze<br />
da vfiqrob, aleko elisaSvili,<br />
rogorc politikosi, unda<br />
gaizardos. CvenTan, saer-<br />
Tod, politikosebis mimarT<br />
nihilizmia, maT ar aqvT kargi<br />
reputacia, isini ar uyvarT da<br />
amis gamo xelisufleba mTlianad<br />
aris gadasuli moyvarulebis<br />
xelSi. aq, SeiZleba, fexburTeli,<br />
momRerali mogvevlinos<br />
politikosad, an, vTqvaT,<br />
menejeri kvirikaSvili,<br />
romelic amdeni xania, politikosad<br />
jer kidev ver Sedga, da<br />
saerTod, ministrebad msaxuroben<br />
adamianebi, romlebic<br />
politikaSi ministris postze<br />
movidnen. aseTi ram saqarTvelosTvis<br />
damRupvelia, radgan<br />
profesiis profanacia, romelmac<br />
Seni damoukidebloba unda<br />
uzrunvelyos, ar aris gardau-<br />
vali warmatebis momtani. Sei-<br />
Zleba piradad me vakritikeb<br />
„erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis”<br />
ideebs da politikur nabijebs,<br />
magram isini politikosebi<br />
iyvnen. igive SeiZleba vTqvaT<br />
SevardnaZis droindel xelisuflebaze,<br />
romelmac korufciis<br />
CixSi Seiyvana qveyana, magram<br />
xelisuflebaSi politikosebi<br />
iyvnen. SevardnaZem icoda,<br />
rogor daebalansebina axalgazrdebi<br />
da Zveli gvardia.<br />
SeiZleba, ar mogwondes SevardnaZe,<br />
magram es teqnologiebi<br />
Zalian kargad esmoda. Cven araferi<br />
dagvrCenia, Tu ara patara<br />
marionetebis Teatri da<br />
patara cirki vnaxoT oqtombramde<br />
da miviRebT im Sedegs,<br />
ra status-kvoc dRes gvaqvs.<br />
_ vin gaxdeba dedaqalaqis<br />
meri, nebismieri politikuri<br />
ZalisTvis aqtualuri Temaa,<br />
magram Tu igive „qarTuli oc-<br />
nebis” winasaarCevno aqtiurobas<br />
davakvirdebiT, mmarTveli<br />
gundis saxeliT politikur<br />
moedanze mxolod kaxa ka-<br />
laZea. arsad Canan regionebSi<br />
„qarTuli ocnebis” liderebi,<br />
romlebsac arCevnebSi gamarjvebis<br />
ambiciebi unda hqond-<br />
eT. Tqveni azriT, ase ratom<br />
xdeba?<br />
_ ar aris aseTi partia _ „qarTuli<br />
ocneba _ demokratiuli<br />
saqarTvelo”! roca ar aris<br />
aseTi partia, romel regionebzea<br />
saubari?! centrSi ra<br />
xdeba?! jer imaSi ver garkveula<br />
es partia, centristuli mimarTuleba<br />
uWiravs Tu memarcxene-socialisturi?<br />
socialur<br />
internacionalTan Tanam-<br />
Sromloben, socialisturi partiebis<br />
gaerTianebasTan evropaSi,<br />
aq lamis memarjveneebiT<br />
iyo dakompleqtebuli aliansi<br />
2012 wels, roca xelisufleba-<br />
Si movidnen. es ver gaurkveviaT.<br />
partiuli lideri erTia _<br />
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ministri, meore aris parlamentis<br />
Tavmjdomare. Cven ar varT<br />
Camoyalibebuli demokratiis<br />
qveynebis msgavsi, rom arCevnebisTvis<br />
partia Seiqmnas, xelisuflebaSi<br />
movides da mere daiSalos.<br />
regionul donezea samuSao,<br />
urTulesi regionebi gvaqvs,<br />
dinamitebia Cadebuli<br />
Cvens regionebSi: qvemo qarTl-<br />
Si, javaxeTSi, aWaraSi, samegreloSic<br />
ki. aq regionuli organizaciebis<br />
arseboba da struqturirebuli<br />
partia, elementarulad,<br />
aucilebelia. biZina<br />
ivaniSvils partiul muSaobaze<br />
Tanxis daxarjva ar unda, piarze<br />
fulis daxarjva ar unda,<br />
Teoriul-konceptualur formebs<br />
da siRrmiseul analizs<br />
yuradRebas ar aqcevs, gandevna<br />
da daSala. „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba”, faqtobrivad, daSala,<br />
„rusTavi 2" arenidan gandevna,<br />
eqspertebi da Jurnalisturi<br />
korpusi, faqtobrivad,<br />
devalvirebis gzaze daayena da<br />
mere amiT ra miiRo?! ganviTarebis<br />
perspeqtiva? _ ara! raime<br />
gansakuTrebuli viTareba? _<br />
ara! ratom? imitom, rom arc<br />
biZina ivaniSvilia politikosi!<br />
politikuri procesebi sxvaa,<br />
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TiTqos saqme gaakeTes, _<br />
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22<br />
dRevandeli Cveni „komfortis<br />
zonis” mTavari gmiric swored<br />
aRniSnuli pirovneba gaxlavT.<br />
miuxedavad maRalanazRaurebadi<br />
Jurnalistis statusisa, mis<br />
saxelze qonebrivi deklaracia ar<br />
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Si fiqsirdeba, rom mis sakuTrebaSia<br />
binebi atenisa da zugdidis<br />
quCaze. erTi maTgani mSenebarea,<br />
meore ki mis faqtobriv sacxovrebels<br />
warmoadgens. swored mis<br />
sanaxavad gavemarTe paraskev sa-<br />
Ramos aRniSnul misamarTze.<br />
TbilisSi rom qseluri da umsxvilesi<br />
amerikuli sakvebi obieqtebi<br />
sakmaod bevr adgilzea, es<br />
yvelam icis. erT-erTi swored<br />
wereTlis gamzirze, metrosadgur<br />
„wereTlis” mimdebare teritoriaze<br />
mdebareobs, romelic<br />
konkretuli adgilis gansasazRvrad<br />
karg saorientacio obieqts<br />
warmoadgens. amitomac Tu am adgilTan<br />
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rogorc amboben, Tu gindaT,<br />
kargi Jurnalisti iyoT,<br />
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Cerdeba.<br />
sezonidan gamomdinare xalxic<br />
qalaqgareTaa gasuli da sasurvel<br />
adgilze misasvlelad gaWyletac<br />
ar giwevs. am da sxva ZiriTadi<br />
mizezebis gamo wereTlis gamzirze<br />
metroTi gavemgzavre.<br />
„wereTlis metrodan” rom<br />
amoxvalT, policiis mwvaneSuSiani<br />
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swored is sakvebi obieqti<br />
mdebareobs, zemoT rom ukve vaxsene.<br />
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trasis meore mxares<br />
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Tan mimyveboda, rom sworad<br />
mepova zugdidis quCa.<br />
am teritoriidan trasis mopirdapire<br />
mxares gadaxvalT Tu<br />
ara, quCas unda gauyveT, sanam xelmarcxniv<br />
SesaxvevebTagan meore<br />
ar SegxvdebaT. vicodi, rom zugdidis<br />
quCamde soxumis quCa unda<br />
gamevlo da mis aqtiur Zebnasa da<br />
Tvalebis cecebaSi viyavi garTuli,<br />
roca marcxnidan mSeneblobaze<br />
momuSave adamianebis xmamaRalma<br />
yvirilma da xmaurma gamomafxizla.<br />
maT win didi samuSao manqana<br />
idga, momuSaveTagan erTs mobiluri<br />
telefoni eWira xelSi da<br />
xmamaRla viRacas wuxandel ambebs<br />
uyveboda, meore ki axlos<br />
skamze ijda da Tavs uqnevda. es<br />
ukanaskneli TanamSromeli ar<br />
unda yofiliyo, radgan asakiT<br />
sakmaod aRemateboda sxva danar-<br />
Cens da Sromisunarianobac Sesabamisad<br />
dabali hqonda.<br />
mokled, am ambebSi soxumis qu-<br />
Cac vipove da ukve zugdidis qu-<br />
Cis Semosaxvevic gamoCnda. rogorc<br />
aRvniSne, mTavari trasidan<br />
meore kveTazeve viwro quCa Sedis,<br />
romlis marcxena mxarec swored<br />
is teritoriaa, sadac raRac<br />
axals aSeneben da SemoRobilia,<br />
marjvena mxares ki, mcire teritoriis<br />
gavlis Semdeg, sacxovrebel<br />
korpuss dainaxavT, romelsac<br />
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sarTulze mdebare erT-erT binas<br />
aivanze vazi gauSenebia, romelic<br />
TiTqmis meore sarTulzec<br />
adis da mwvaned rTavs iqaurobas.<br />
sacxovrebeli binis nomridan<br />
gamomdinare, mivxvdi, rom misi<br />
„komfortis zona” mesame sadarbazoSi<br />
iqneboda da, Sesabamisad,<br />
pirvelive jerze iqiT gavemarTe.<br />
sadarbazos kari Ria iyo.<br />
nacrisferi karis gavlis Semdeg<br />
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es Cemi pirveli respondenti<br />
iyo da kiTxvis gareSe ar gavuSvi.<br />
rogorc ki gasasvleli karisken<br />
gamoqanda, swrafad davuZaxe:<br />
_ ukacravad, gazeT „qronika+”-dan<br />
var, merobis kandidate-<br />
bis „komfortis zonaze” vwer.<br />
rogorc vici, zaal udumaSvili<br />
am korpusSi cxovrobs, xom ar<br />
vcdebi?<br />
_ ara, am korpusSi cxovrobs<br />
namdvilad. Cveni mezobelia.<br />
_ ramdenad xSirad xedavT?<br />
salmiania?<br />
_ xSirad ara, magram vxvdebiT,<br />
ki. me-9-ze cxovrobs. salmianic<br />
le ekeTa. sakmaod sandomiani saxe<br />
hqonda da roogrc ki kari gami-<br />
Ro, masTanac imave teqstiT daviwye<br />
saubari:<br />
_ gamarjoba, Jurnalisti var<br />
„qronika+”-dan. oriode kiTxva<br />
meqneba, Tu SeiZleba, zaal udu-<br />
maSvilTan dakavSirebiT. Tqveni<br />
mezobelia, xom?<br />
_ diax.<br />
_ mis „komfortis zonaze”<br />
vwer da mainteresebs, ramdenad<br />
kargi mezobelia? ramdenad<br />
salmiani?<br />
_ rom giTxraT, ewyineba baton<br />
zaals. gamarjoba ar icis sadarbazoSi.<br />
_ marTla? arada, miTxres,<br />
salmianiao.<br />
_ diax, ramdeni xania, aq cxovrobs,<br />
magram rom Segxvdeba, gama-<br />
komfortis zona<br />
kibeebs bolo sarTulze ahyavxarT,<br />
romelic, rogorc giTxariT,<br />
vardisfradaa SeRebili.<br />
marcxena mxares wiTeli rkinis<br />
karia, romelsac oqrosfrad aweria<br />
80 da amave karis marcxena<br />
mxares mdebare kedelze erTi cali<br />
braa mimagrebuli, mis qvemoT<br />
ki dawnuli kalaTa, romelSic bza<br />
alagia. liftic muSaobs.<br />
„sufTad Senaxul” sarTulze<br />
asvlisas kars fotoebi gadavuRe<br />
da gezi kvlav qvemoT sarTulebisken<br />
aviRe.<br />
rogorc yovelTvis, liftiT<br />
sargeblobas fexiT siaruli mirCevnia,<br />
Tan roca respondenti<br />
myavs saZebni da amitomac dabla<br />
sarTulebisken daSvebuls yvela<br />
karze miwevs zaris darekva da<br />
sasurveli informaciis moZebna.<br />
romelic salams getyviT ki ara,<br />
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adamianebi arian kargi SvilebiT.<br />
razea saubari?!<br />
axla Tu adamians interesi<br />
gaqvs da ginda, rom, maincdamainc,<br />
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Tqva.<br />
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ba.<br />
_ gaixare, Svilo, ras ambob, magas<br />
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Torem arc erTi sxva mezobeli<br />
magas ar getyviT, damijereT.<br />
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_ didi madloba.<br />
_ arafris, Svilo, arafris.<br />
suls, axagazrda qalbatoni Semxvda<br />
Savi samosiT da Savive saTvaliT.<br />
gverdiT patara gogona mohyveboda.<br />
aSkarad am sadarbazosken<br />
modiodnen, amitom Sansi xelidan<br />
ar gavuSvi da kvlav saubari<br />
daviwye:<br />
_ gamarjoba, Jurnalisti var,<br />
oriode kiTxva maqvs, Tu SeiZle-<br />
ba.<br />
_ gismenT, _ miTxra da saTvale<br />
moixsna.<br />
_ zaal udumaSvilis „komfor-<br />
tis zonaze” vwer, mainteresebs,<br />
Tu icnobT?<br />
_ ki, vici, minaxavs. gverdiT<br />
sadarbazoSi cxovrobs.<br />
_ diax, eg vici. ubralod,<br />
mainteresebs, ramdenad xSirad<br />
xedavT, an icnobT Tu ara?<br />
_ ise ar vicnob, magram minax-<br />
aris, roca vxedavT. saerTod,<br />
Zalian kargi mezobelia.<br />
_ gasagebia, didi madloba.<br />
ukve davrwmundi, rom swor<br />
adgilas movedi da gzac gavagr-<br />
Zele. sarTulebs avuyevi im imediT,<br />
rom morig respondents vnaxavdi,<br />
magram, samwuxarod, an saxlSi<br />
ar iyvnen, andac konkretul<br />
binaSi aravin cxovrobda. meore<br />
da mesame sarTulze absoluturad<br />
yvela binis karze davreke, magram<br />
arc erTma ar mipasuxa. ise mainc<br />
rom eqnaT, rogorc sxvagan<br />
gaukeTebiaT xolme, kidev ukeTesi<br />
iqneboda, albaT (im ambavs vgulisxmob,<br />
zaris darekvis mere rom<br />
mekiTxebian, vin xaro, me ki vpasuxob,<br />
_ Jurnalisti, oriode kiTxva<br />
maqvs-meTqi da isev uCinardebian),<br />
magram msgavsi araferi momxdara.<br />
bolos, rogorc iqna, meo-<br />
Txe sarTulze davreke zari da<br />
karze gasaRebis gadatrialebis<br />
xmac gavige. Zalian gamixarda.<br />
karTan Suaxnis qalbatoni gamovida,<br />
grZeli, Sav-TeTri mTliani<br />
sazafxulo kaba ecva da saTva-<br />
rjobas aravis eubneba da aravisTan<br />
ar aqvs kontaqti saerTod.<br />
ai, ase gadaeciT (es rom Tqva, uknidan<br />
patara, 7-8 wlis biWi gadmoxta<br />
lurji maisuriT, albaT,<br />
SviliSvili iyo, magram am qalbatonma<br />
arc ki SeimCnia da sakuTar<br />
naTqvamze Tavis qnevas agrZelebda).<br />
_ kargi, gmadlobT, gasagebia,<br />
_ vuTxari da gzac maRla gavagr-<br />
Zele.<br />
samwuxarod, aqac igive situacia<br />
damxvda, aravin iyo saxlSi.<br />
SesaZloa imitom, rom jer kidev<br />
samuSao dRe gaxldaT da marTalia,<br />
is dro iyo, saxlSi rom brundebian,<br />
magram mainc veravin moviZie<br />
iseTi, vinc gamesaubreboda.<br />
yvela sarTulze oTxive binis<br />
karze vrekavdi zars, magram arsaidan<br />
xma, arsiT Zaxili.<br />
bolos, mecxre sarTulze avedi,<br />
sadac swored Cveni interesis<br />
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mxolod am sarTulze mivageni.<br />
N30 (207) 15.08-21.08.2017 w.<br />
pirvel sarTulamde ise Cavedi,<br />
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davreke da, sabednierod, qera<br />
qalbatonma gamiRo kari. masac gavacani<br />
Tavi da mizani, mere ki kiTxvebze<br />
gadavedi:<br />
_ baton zaals Tu icnobT?<br />
_ rogor ar vicnob.<br />
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esebs, ramdenad salmiani?<br />
_ araCveulebrivi, SesaniSnavi.<br />
_ anu gesalmebaT xolme?<br />
_ ras hqvia, gvesalmeba? ra<br />
Tqma unda!<br />
_ ai, zemoT sarTulze qalba-<br />
tonma miTxra, ar aris salmiani<br />
adamiani da arc aravis esalmeba<br />
sadarbazoSio (amis Tqma iyo da<br />
saxe uceb Seecvala, cotaTi gabrazda).<br />
_ Tu ver SegniSna, Svilo, rogor<br />
mogesalmeba? zalikos ganrigi<br />
iseTia, darbis da Rame gvian<br />
modis, magram mainc magas veravin<br />
ityvis, rom salmiani ar aris.<br />
araCveulebrivi meuRle hyavs,<br />
rac SeiZleba dadebiTi, Zalian<br />
dadebiTi pirovnebaa.<br />
_ gasagebia, Zalian kargi, didi<br />
madloba, _ vupasuxe qera qalbatons,<br />
romelic sasaubrod sadarbazoSi<br />
gamovida, pirvel sarTulzeve<br />
naxseneb liftTanac dadga<br />
da ise mesaubreboda. bolos me<br />
gareT gamovedi da is Tavis saxlSi<br />
dabrunda.<br />
sadarbazodan gamosvlisas korpuss<br />
mTlianad ramdenime foto<br />
gadavuRe da manqanebis SeTvaliereba<br />
daviwye, iqneb, Cveni statiis<br />
mTavari gmiris manqana mepova,<br />
magram am paraskev dRes mainc araferi<br />
gamovida da es cdac uSedegod<br />
damTavrda.<br />
vinaidan mainc ar vflobdi<br />
amomwurav informacias, gadavwyvite,<br />
gverdiT sadarbazoSic Sevsuliyavi,<br />
rom iqac menaxa vinme,<br />
vinc icoda, an icnobda aw ukve<br />
merobis kandidats.<br />
rogorc molodini mqonda,<br />
Sedegic igive miviRe, _ aqac aravin<br />
mxvdeboda saxlSi, magram bolos,<br />
meore sadarbazodan gamo-<br />
avs, ra Tqma unda. Zalian kargi,<br />
warmosadegi kacia.<br />
_ salmiania?<br />
_ me ar vicnob piradad, amitom<br />
CemTan ara, magram mezoblebTan<br />
salmiania, ramdenadac vici. ise,<br />
Cems meuRlesac esalmeba xolme.<br />
_ gasagebia, gmadlobT.<br />
_ hoda, misi manqanis nomebic<br />
„rusTavi 2"-is msgavsad bevr 2-<br />
ians Seicavs, rogorc vici, da<br />
ori Svili hyavs, isinic minaxavs.<br />
meti aranairi Sexeba ar maqvs piradad<br />
masTan.<br />
_ gasagebia, didi madloba.<br />
_ arafris.<br />
saubars movrCiT da man sadarbazosken<br />
gaagrZela svla, me ki<br />
saxlisken mimaval gzas davadeqi.<br />
wamosvlamde kidev ramdenime<br />
kadri gadavuRe korpuss da kvlav<br />
manqanebis seriis SeTvaliereba<br />
daviwye, Tumca uSedegod.<br />
maS, ase! Jurnalistisa da aw<br />
ukve rTul gzaze Semdgari mebrZoli<br />
politikosis „komfortis<br />
zona” swored aq, zugdidis<br />
quCaze mdebareobs.<br />
23
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sanqciebis fonze saqarTvelosTvis ver moiclida, Zalian cde-<br />
boda da amas mTeli is periodi adasturebs, roca saqarTvelo-<br />
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rom daTvia da babaia unda davuZaxoT...<br />
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mas Semdeg, rac antisaokupacio<br />
moZraobaSi sazogadoebis sul<br />
ufro da ufro didi fena Caer-<br />
To, Tavad mixvda, rom aseTi<br />
ritorika wamgebiani iqneboda.<br />
sazogadoebis didi nawili ki<br />
mzadyofnas gamoTqvams, ufro didi<br />
roli Seasrulos deokupaciis<br />
procesSi. es dagegmil antisaokupacio<br />
aqciebisadmi dainteresebasa<br />
da CarTulobisTvis mzadyofnaSic<br />
gamoixateba.<br />
samegreloSi afxazeTis saokupacio<br />
zolTan ruseTis agresiis<br />
gaaqtiurebas kidev erTi faqtori<br />
iwvevs: zolze Sss-s blokpostebis<br />
Semcireba da minimumamde dayvana.<br />
jer kidev SevardnaZis xelisuflebis<br />
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galis raions administraciulad<br />
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davalebaTa departamentis blokpostebi<br />
idga. magaliTad, xurCa-<br />
Si, soflis bolos, sangrebic iyo<br />
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distanciuri dapirispireba<br />
mimdinareobda _ afxazuri mxare,<br />
rusuli mxaris waqezebiT, moraluri<br />
upiratesobis mopovebas<br />
cdilobda, magram Sss-s biWebi<br />
arafers uTmobdnen, mosaxleoba,<br />
imis miuxedavad, rom cecxlis qveS<br />
uwevda cxovreba, Tavs ufro daculad<br />
grZnobda, roca icoda, rom<br />
araTu soflis miwas ver miiTvisebda<br />
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ver Semohyofda xurCaSi, rom araferi<br />
vTqvaT mavTulxlarTebis<br />
gavlebaze da soflidan glexebis<br />
gatacebaze.<br />
igive situacia iyo orsantiaotobaias<br />
monakveTze, aseve TiTqmis<br />
yvelgan, sadac enguri bunebrivi<br />
wyalgamyofi iyo galisa da<br />
zugdidis raions Soris. cxadia, am<br />
realobas maSinac da saakaSvilis<br />
movaSoroT, es prevenciacaa da<br />
warmatebis formulac, vinaidan<br />
yarafila-berSueTis monakveTze<br />
Cvenma aqtivobam gviCvena, rom Cveni<br />
misiis periodSi moqalaqeTa<br />
gatacebis intensioba Semcirda,<br />
xolo okupantebis ukontrolo<br />
gadaadgilebam iklo.<br />
es Zalian mniSvnelovania da<br />
SeaCere okupacia!!!<br />
24<br />
unda aRiniSnos, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
deokupaciis Tema, wina<br />
wlebisgan gansxvavebiT, bolo<br />
wels gansakuTrebiT gaaqtiurda.<br />
Tumca xelisuflebis kuTxiT amas<br />
ver vityviT _ raoden samwuxaroc<br />
unda iyos, saerTaSoriso arenaze<br />
saqarTvelos deokupaciis Tema<br />
wina planze wamoweuli isev araa.<br />
metic, komikuri situaciac ki<br />
Seiqmna, roca faqtis winaSe davdeqiT,<br />
rom TbilisSi Camosuli aSSis<br />
vice-prezidenti ufro mkveTrad<br />
da mets laparakobda sajarod<br />
deokupaciaze da okupaciis<br />
faqtorze, vidre saqarTvelos<br />
premier-ministri.<br />
amis mizezic araa Zneli asaxsneli:<br />
saqarTvelos xelisufleba<br />
cdilobs, winamorbeds ar daemsgavsos<br />
da es SiSi imdenad aqvs<br />
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rasac wina xelisufleba efeqturad<br />
da saWiro dros akeTebda,<br />
imasac ki ar akeTebs, raTa Tavidan<br />
airidos „saakaSvilis xelisuflebasTan<br />
paralelis gavleba”.<br />
Tumca, rasakvirvelia, deklarirebis<br />
doneze situacia mkveTrad<br />
gansxvavebulia: saqarTvelo kvlav<br />
uWers mxars qveynis integracias<br />
evropul da evroatlantikur<br />
struqturebSi, kvlav aRiarebs,<br />
rom ruseTi (amatebs, rom<br />
misTvis gaugebrad da samwuxarod)<br />
isev agrZelebs qveynis okupacias<br />
da isev ukanonod miiCnevs borderizacias,<br />
iseve, rogorc saer-<br />
TaSoriso misiebi da evrokavSiris<br />
damkvirveblebi.<br />
samagierod, sazogadoeba gaaqtiurda.<br />
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ori seriozuli gaerTianeba „Zala<br />
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swored amis dadasturebaa.<br />
„Zala erTobaSia” ukve 20 dReze<br />
metia, samoqalaqo monitorings<br />
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gaswvriv awarmoebs. am<br />
xnis ganmavlobaSi moxalise damkvirveblebma<br />
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aRnusxes da auwyes sazogadoebas,<br />
8 agvistos ki yarafilas-<br />
Tan, avtomagistralze, cocxali<br />
jaWvi moawyves.<br />
rusma okupantebma Sida qarTlis<br />
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upasuxes: yarafilasa da or-<br />
Wosnis ferdobze sabrZolo teqnika<br />
gamoiyvanes _ es gadaadgileba<br />
damkvirveblebma daafiqsires<br />
da gaaxmovanes kidec.<br />
marTalia, oficialuri versiiT<br />
es mxolod winaswar dagegmili<br />
gadaadgileba iyo, magram es mxolod<br />
oficialuri versiiT. sinamdvileSi<br />
es ruseTisTvis damaxasiaTebeli<br />
kunTebis demonstrirebaa<br />
_ mudmivi pasuxi msgavs samoqalaqo<br />
aqtivobaze.<br />
igive moxda 8 agvistos Semdeg<br />
saqarTvelos kidev erT okupirebul<br />
regionSi _ afxazeTTan, sadac<br />
enguris xidze mSvidobiani<br />
saprotesto aqcia gaimarTa aseve<br />
cocxali jaWvis saxiT. es organizacia<br />
„SeaCere okupacias” iniciativa<br />
da samoqalaqo protesti<br />
iyo, romelic mSvidobis mtredebis<br />
afreniT dasrulda.<br />
meore dResve rusma okupantebma<br />
sapasuxo nabijebi gadadges:<br />
jer xurCaSi miiTvises miwis nawili<br />
da mavTulxlarTebis gavleba<br />
daiwyes, mere zugdidis raionis<br />
sofelSi aiyvanes erTi mamakaci,<br />
erTi ki _ walenjixis raionSi,<br />
xolo zugdidis raionis im sofelSi,<br />
romelsac qarTuli mxare<br />
mTlianad akontrolebda, saxeldaxelo<br />
karavi gaSales da udardelad<br />
moikalaTes.<br />
ruseTis moqmedebas aseT situaciebSi<br />
garkveuli logika ganapirobebs:<br />
isini am qmedebebiT, pirvel<br />
rigSi, noyierad kvebaven<br />
qarTuli mexuTe kolonis ritorikas:<br />
„ai, rom aRizianebT rusebs,<br />
imitom xdeba egeTebi, manamde xom<br />
ar xdeboda ase xSirad”, _ rasac<br />
zogjer „SuaSistebic” itaceben<br />
xolme da iwyeba isterika, rom<br />
ruseTi ar unda gavaRizianoT,<br />
xelisuflebis drosac qarTveli<br />
policielebi ewirebodnen. xur-<br />
Casa da orsantiaSi, saguSagoebze,<br />
TavianTi movaleobis Sesrulebis<br />
dros, aTobiT policielia daRupuli.<br />
dRevandeli realoba ki iseTia:<br />
roca afxaz „boevikebs” SeuZliaT,<br />
uproblemod gadmolaxon TavianT<br />
mierve sazRvrad miCneuli monakveTi,<br />
Tavze daadgnen daWril qar-<br />
Tvels da dacxrilon, xolo zugdidis<br />
raionis erT sofelSi, tyaiaSi<br />
_ enguris piras karavi gaSalon<br />
da uSiSrad moikalaTon Sig.<br />
antisaokupacio aqtivoba, romelic<br />
agvistoSi daiwyo, gadamwyvet<br />
stadiaSi, savaraudod, agvistos<br />
bolosken Seva. rogorc „Zala<br />
erTobaSia” lideri daviT qacarava<br />
ambobs, moxalise damkvirvebelTa<br />
axali Stabis gaxsna okupirebuli<br />
afxazeTis gaswvrivacaa dagegmili:<br />
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samegreloSi moxaliseebTan<br />
da vfiqrobT, iqac gavxsnaT<br />
Cveni Stabi, romelic moxalise<br />
damkvirveblebiT dakompleqtdeba.<br />
rogorc movlenaTa ganviTareba<br />
cxadyofs, rus okupantebs yvelaze<br />
metad swored amgvari samoqalaqo<br />
aqtivoba aSinebT, ase rom,<br />
maT asi Tvali da asi yuri ar unda<br />
mniSvnelovania isic, rom Cven<br />
movaxerxoT saerTaSoriso misiebisTvis<br />
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miwodeba. rogorc vici, Cveni<br />
cocxali jaWvis dros, 8 agvistos,<br />
rusi okupantebis sabrZolo teqnikis<br />
gamoyvana saerTaSoriso<br />
damkvirveblebis angariSSi moxvda<br />
da es swored Cveni erTianobis<br />
damsaxurebaa. Zalian mniSvnelovani<br />
iyo swored am dRes gamarTuli<br />
aqcia enguris xidze, im dRes,<br />
roca afxazeTSi v. putini Cavida,<br />
amas garda, ramdenadac vici, rusi<br />
okupantebi swored am aqciis mere<br />
gaaqtiurdnen afxazeTis saokupacio<br />
zolzec. ase rom, erTad dgomiT<br />
Cven aucileblad SevZlebT<br />
msoflio sazogadoebriobis kidev<br />
ufro didi yuradRebis miqcevas<br />
da rusuli agresiisTvis sakadrisi<br />
pasuxis gacemas.<br />
minda, Tqveni gazeTis meSveobi-<br />
Tac mivmarTo rigiT moqalaqeebs,<br />
axalgazrdebs, cnobil saxeebs: nu<br />
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TdiT aqciebze _ ruseTi sastiki<br />
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Ti filmi moumzadebia saqarTveloSi<br />
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axali meTodis danergvasac gegmavs<br />
_ uaxloes dReebSi yvelasTvis<br />
cnobili gaxdeba telefonis<br />
nomeri, sadac darekva da informaciis<br />
datoveba SeeZleba nebismier<br />
moqalaqes, ris Semdegac, okupaciis<br />
damadasturebeli nebismieri<br />
faqtis gamovlenisas, iqneba<br />
es adamianis gataceba Tu axali<br />
mavTulxlarTisa Tu Txrilis<br />
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damkvirvebelTa jgufi gava<br />
da momxdars mediasa da saerTa-<br />
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uaxloes periodSi igegmeba<br />
aseve vebgverdis amuSaveba, sadac<br />
nebismier msurvels saSualeba<br />
eqneba, Tavad atvirTos okupaciis<br />
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swored im xalxis mxardam-<br />
Werebi marTaven dRes zugdids<br />
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Soris sainiciativo<br />
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roca biZina ivaniSvili stumrobda<br />
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varT mtrebad monaTluli da<br />
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arian klanebad. xalxis<br />
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milebis saqmeSi iyo Careuli _<br />
xalxi naxavs maT fotoebs”.<br />
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Tanamdebobebze iqnebodnen, ma-<br />
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ratom moxda-meTqi?!.”<br />
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daixvies da rac sofel ruxidan da<br />
riyidan moqmedi Tu umoqmedo milebis<br />
amoRebas exeba, gamarTlebuli var yvela<br />
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nebismier dapirispirebas, wyenas,<br />
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namdvilad gulwrfelad geubnebiT, ar<br />
gebrZviT. gansakuTrebiT Tqven mogmarTavT,<br />
batono vaxtang, radgan Tqven ufro<br />
damajereblad iciT, ra xdeboda 2012 wlis<br />
saparlamento arCevnebze samegreloSi da<br />
kerZod, zugdidSi, rogor<br />
ewinaaRmdegebodnen baton biZinas<br />
mwameblebi im dros. samwuxarod, swored im<br />
xalxis mxardamWerebi marTaven dRes<br />
zugdids - cxrawliani sisxliani reJimidan<br />
gadmoportirebulebi arian dRes viTom<br />
`ocnebis~ mxardamWerebi~<br />
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vaxtang xomizuraSvili<br />
paata SeSeliZe<br />
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bazris zedamxedvelobis<br />
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calke Seafasos riskebi. ar<br />
unda moxdes interesTa<br />
konfliqti, rac am SemTxvevaSi<br />
gvaqvs. rac Seexeba saxelmwifo<br />
fasiani qaRaldebis bazars, aq<br />
moqmedeba mimdinareobs,<br />
mxolod da mxolod,<br />
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anu aucileblad maRal<br />
doneze unda iyos dayenebuli<br />
meoradi mimoqceva~<br />
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ise rom yofiliyo, uceb fuli<br />
ar hqondaT da sesxeba mouwiaT,<br />
am dros problema iqneboda, magram<br />
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es niSnavs, rom paralelurad ra-<br />
Racas istumreben. ar velodebi,<br />
rom mimdinare procesebze mas<br />
raime didi gavlena hqondes.<br />
rac Seexeba konfidencialurobas,<br />
es meore sakiTxia, radgan<br />
igi mniSvnelovania. saerTod,<br />
finansur sakiTxSi konfidencialobis<br />
momxre var. vfiqrob, aq,<br />
maincdamainc, vinmes cxviris Cayofis<br />
saSualeba ar unda iyos.<br />
amas Tavisi mizezi aqvs, _ roca<br />
viRac sesxs iRebs, sxvam amis Sesaxeb<br />
ar unda icodes. meore sakiTxia,<br />
rom Cven veWvianobT, raime<br />
iseTi xom ar xdeba, rac arasworia,<br />
radgan ar vendobiT am institutebs,<br />
amitom xSirad TviTonac<br />
gaoreba maqvs. minda vicode, ra<br />
xdeba SigniT, magram konfidencialurobac<br />
saWiroa.<br />
am sakiTxze ufro metad medardeba<br />
xolme da ormxrivi sakiTxia<br />
refinansirebis sesxebi, e.b.-<br />
s politika, imitom rom iq finansTa<br />
saministrosgan gansxvavebiT,<br />
sinamdvileSi, axali fuli<br />
iWreba. finansTa saministro ki<br />
arsebul sesxs Rebulobs _ esaa<br />
gansxvaveba. es movlena bevrad<br />
ufro ekonomikuria, vidre haeridan,<br />
arafridan fulis Seqmna da,<br />
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fasebis zrda, kursis cvlileba<br />
da a. S.<br />
_ rogori iqneba laris kursi<br />
seqtembrisTvis?<br />
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stabiluroba SeinarCunon.<br />
Tqven gaxsovT, rom wlis dasawyisSi<br />
iyo larizaciis gegma da misi<br />
erT-erTi mniSvnelovani komponenti,<br />
maTi gancxadebiT, lareb-<br />
Si fasebis gacxadeba gaxldaT,<br />
swored amis fonze racionaluria<br />
is, rom axla kursis Senar-<br />
Cunebas cdiloben, raTa negatiurad<br />
ar imoqmedos aRniSnul komponentze.<br />
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xarT konkretuli kompaniis an<br />
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e.b. gavaldebulebT, saqonlis an<br />
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mogiwveT misi Secvla?!<br />
`es bolo 4-5 Tvea, cdiloben, gacvliTi kursis<br />
stabiluroba SeinarCunon. Tqven gaxsovT, rom<br />
wlis dasawyisSi iyo larizaciis gegma da misi<br />
erT-erTi mniSvnelovani komponenti, larebSi<br />
fasebis gacxadeba gaxldaT, swored amis fonze<br />
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imoqmedos aRniSnul komponentze~<br />
amitom es finansuradac martivi<br />
saqme araa, gansakuTrebiT, Tu<br />
reklamas da sxva msgavs Temebs<br />
exeba. Cemi azriT, Tu interesebi<br />
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arian, Tavisive gadawyvetilebas<br />
angariSi gauwion, finansuri<br />
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amuSaon, rom im TavianT gadawyvetilebas<br />
sxva tipis Crdili ar<br />
miadges, esaa mizezi imisa, Tu ratom<br />
cdiloben laris kursis<br />
stabilurobas am farglebSi. ra<br />
Tqma unda, am pozicias Riad ar<br />
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dRes gvaqvs, 2.40-2,39-is fargleb-<br />
Si gaagrZelebs meryeobas. ar<br />
velodebi, rom radikaluri gauareseba<br />
iqneba, Tu sxva rame ar<br />
Caidines.<br />
am yvelaferTan erTad, turistuli<br />
sezoni kidev ufro pozitiurad<br />
moqmedebs, ra Tqma unda,<br />
da finansuri nakadic Semodis.<br />
Sesabamisad, larze damatebiT<br />
moTxovna aris.<br />
procesebis erToblioba rom<br />
SevajamoT, mainc zafxulSi, seqtember-oqtomberSi<br />
ar velodebi<br />
radikalur cvlilebebs da<br />
SesaZloa, es clilebebi arc Semdeg<br />
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rodesac valdebulebebis<br />
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sagadasaxado Semosavlebi<br />
arasakmarisi iqneba, SesaZloa,<br />
sesxebs mimarTon Ria bazarze, an<br />
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ra Tqma unda, damatebiT moculobebs<br />
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qaRaldebis bazris eqsper-<br />
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SemTxvevaSi saxelmwifo fasian<br />
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nebisieri emisia, ZiriTadad,<br />
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emsaxureba imitom, rom saproeqto<br />
momentebi ar aris mand Cadebuli,<br />
es ki laris mimoqcevidan<br />
amoRebas iwvevs am 4 mln-is farglebSi,<br />
rac, saerTod, xels uwyobs<br />
laris gamyarebas. amis mizezi<br />
isaa, rom rodesac laris masa mimoqcevidan<br />
amodis, lari myardeba.<br />
jerjerobiT, laris gamyarebaze<br />
pirdapiri zemoqmedeba ar<br />
Cans da verc gamoCndeba, radgan<br />
mis kursze gavlenas garkveuli<br />
periodi sWirdeba (rogorc wesi,<br />
es periodi erT Tves an Tvenaxevars<br />
Seadgens).<br />
rac Seexeba uSualod fasian<br />
qaRaldebs, TviTon „erovnulma<br />
bankma” konkretuli gancxadeba<br />
gaakeTa korporaciul obligaciebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, romelsac,<br />
garkveulwilad, gafrTxilebis<br />
saxe hqonda korporaciuli obligaciebis<br />
msurvelebisTvis. isini<br />
werdnen, rom korporaciuli<br />
obligaciebi ar aris uzrunvelyofili<br />
arc saxelmwifosa da arc<br />
e.b-sgan, arada, es xom bunebrivia,<br />
isedac yvelam icis, rom investirebuli<br />
Tanxis gadaxda damokidebulia<br />
kompaniis gadaxdisunarianobaze.<br />
ar vici, am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
es gancxadeba ras emsaxureboda,<br />
aq pirad riskebzea saubari<br />
da es bunebrivic aris, magram<br />
TviTon tonaloba, riTac e.b. sazogadoebas<br />
mimarTavs, pirdapiri<br />
miniSnebaa, romelic fasiani qaRaldebis<br />
bazris ganviTarebas uSlis<br />
xels.<br />
e.b.-m gancxadeba SiZleba gaakeTos<br />
riskebTan dakavSirebiT,<br />
magram aseTi gancxadebebi, romlebic<br />
iribad, magram aSkarad<br />
geubnebaT, _ ar SeiZinoT fasiani<br />
qaaldebi _ gadametebulia!<br />
fasiani qaRaldebis bazris<br />
ganviTarebisTvis aucilebelia,<br />
rom es korporaciuli obligaciebi<br />
iyos mimoqcevaSi, anu kompaniebma<br />
mimarTon da SeiZinon igi.<br />
TiTqmis yvela normalur qveyanaSi<br />
asea. aq riskfaqtorebi, ra<br />
Tqma unda, aris, Tumca kompaniebis<br />
xelmZRvanelebi darwmunebulebi<br />
arian, rom Tu e.b.-s mimar-<br />
Taven sajaro ganTavsebis Sesaxeb,<br />
isini ver miiReben uflebas,<br />
rom fasiani qaRaldebi ganaTavson.<br />
yvelafer amis gaTvaliswinebiT<br />
fasiani qaRaldebis bazris<br />
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Tavisive gadawyvetilebas angariSi gauwion, finansuri<br />
instrumentebi SearCion da ise amuSaon, rom im TavianT<br />
gadawyvetilebas sxva tipis Crdili ar miadges, esaa mizezi<br />
imisa, Tu ratom cdiloben laris kursis stabilurobas am<br />
farglebSi. ra Tqma unda, am pozicias Riad ar afiqsireben,<br />
magram ra kursic dRes gvaqvs, 2.40-2,39-is farglebSi<br />
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skolebSi saswavlo procesi<br />
mTlianad qarTulad da<br />
qarTuli saxelmZRvaneloebiT mimdinareobs.<br />
misi TqmiT, swavleba<br />
iqac, rogorc danarCen skolebSi,<br />
rusul enaze unda warimarTos,<br />
qarTuli ki SesaZlebelia, rigiT<br />
sagnad darCes.<br />
es niSnavs, rom scenari igivea,<br />
rac afxazeTSi. 2015 wlidan okupirebuli<br />
afxazeTis teritoriaze<br />
gauqmda qarTuli skolis statusi<br />
da qarTuli ena 2-saaTian<br />
arasavaldebulo sagnad darCa<br />
ramdenime skolis dawyebiT safexurze.<br />
28 N30 (207) 15.08-21.08.2017 w.
yvelaferi ki iqidan daiwyo,<br />
rom 2013 wels afxazeTis TviTgamocxadebulma<br />
reJimma „saskolo<br />
reforma” daiwyo, romlis farglebSic<br />
galis aTi sofeli da am<br />
soflebis skolebic tyvarCelis<br />
raions miakuTvna, riTac qarTvelebi<br />
umciresobaSi aRmoCndnen da<br />
qarTuli skolebis raodenoba 31-<br />
dan 11-mde Semcirda. mogvianebiT,<br />
2015 wlidan, afxazeTSi aRar funqcionirebs<br />
arc erTi qarTuli<br />
skola.<br />
„evropuli saqarTvelos” araerTgzis<br />
mcdelobis miuxedavad,<br />
ver moxerxda okupirebul teritoriebze<br />
skolebSi arsebuli problemuri<br />
sakiTxebis detaluri<br />
ganxilva. sakiTxis aqtualobidan<br />
gamomdinare, xelisuflebam dauyovnebliv<br />
unda daiwyos saerTa-<br />
Soriso institutebSi am sakiTxis<br />
aqtualizacia, rogorc adamianis<br />
fundamenturi Rirebulebebis Selaxvis<br />
faqtze da ganaxorcielos<br />
qmediTi RonisZiebebi.<br />
aucilebelia:<br />
* upirveles problemad ganixilos<br />
aRniSnuli faqti da dauyovnebliv<br />
daiwyos muSaoba okupirebuli<br />
teritoriebis im nawilSi,<br />
sadac moswavleebis, maswavleblebisa<br />
da skolis TanamSromlebis<br />
didi nawili eTnikurad qarTvelia<br />
da maTTvis mSobliuri ena qarTulia,<br />
amasTanave, yvelaferTan er-<br />
Tad, isini ver floben rusul enas,<br />
romelzec maT unda mouwioT<br />
swvalebis warmarTva;<br />
* 2017-18 saswavlo wlisaTvis<br />
okupirebul teritoriebze aRdges<br />
qarTuli skolis statusi;<br />
* aseve, regionSi mcxovrebi yvela<br />
qarTveli moswavlisTvis dauyovnebliv<br />
iqnas miwodebuli saswavlo<br />
procesisaTvis saWiro saskolo<br />
saxelmZRvaneloebis sruli<br />
kompleqti.<br />
_ ratom warmoadgens studen-<br />
tebis programuli dafinanseba<br />
Tanxebis usamarTlo, araraciona-<br />
lur da araefeqtian wess?<br />
_ „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi<br />
mosvlis dRidan, studentebis<br />
arsebuli wesis paralelurad,<br />
man programuli dafinansebis<br />
programa SemoiRo, rac, Cveni SefasebiT,<br />
Tanxebis usamarTlo, araracionalur<br />
da, Sesabamisad, araefeqtian<br />
wess warmoadgens. mocemuli<br />
TanxebiT, Zveli, sagranto<br />
wesis SenarCunebiT, SesaZlebeli<br />
iqneboda yovelwliurad orjer<br />
meti studentis dafinanseba.<br />
mimdinare wels ganaTlebis ministris<br />
mier daanonsda, rom stu-<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
`roca ganaTlebis sistemaSi mimdinare<br />
problemebi iseTi saxelmwifoebrivi<br />
mniSvnelobis sakiTxebs exeba, rogoricaa<br />
okupirebul teritoriebze qarTulenovani<br />
mosaxleobis diskriminacia da xelisuflebas<br />
ar gaaCnia gaazrebuli midgoma qveynisTvis<br />
mniSvnelovani sakiTxebis mimarT (principuli<br />
poziciebi da adekvaturi qmedebebis<br />
ganxorcielebis SesaZlebloba), roca<br />
qarTuli enisa da saqarTvelos istoriis<br />
swavleba okupirebul teritoriebze arsebul<br />
skolebSi mxolod sagakveTilo procesi<br />
araa, bunebrivia, problemebis Sesaxeb ara<br />
mxolod ganaTlebis ministri, aramed<br />
umaRlesi saxelisuflebo warmomadgenlebi<br />
unda akeTebdnen ganmartebebs~<br />
dentTa dafinansebis wesi 2017<br />
wlisTvis aucileblad unda Secvliliyo.<br />
metic: arsebuli forma<br />
Sefasebuli iyo, rogorc araswori<br />
da mavnebluri wesi.<br />
miuxedavad amisa, 2017-18 saswavlo<br />
wlisaTvis saxelmwifo saswavlo<br />
grantis wliuri moculobebis,<br />
odenobebisa da programuli<br />
dafinansebis moculobis gansaz-<br />
Rvris Sesaxeb sul axlaxan miRebul<br />
mTavrobis dadgenilebaSi Secvlili<br />
araferia, identuria<br />
gasuli wlis da agrZelebs im mankier<br />
midgomas, romelic „qarTuli<br />
ocnebis” mTavrobaSi mosvlisTanave<br />
SemogvTavazes.<br />
erTmniSvnelovnad SeiZleba<br />
iTqvas, rom mTavroba da ganaTlebis<br />
saministro studentebze gaweril<br />
Tanxebs kvlav araracionalurad<br />
da usamarTlod anawilebs.<br />
arsebuli TanxiT, sworad da<br />
racionalurad ganawilebis SemTxvevaSi,<br />
dafinansebul studentTa<br />
raodenoba iqneboda orjer meti<br />
(100%-iani, 70%-iani, 50%-iani da<br />
30%-iani grantebi) da daaxloebiT<br />
18000 students miaRwevda.<br />
martivi magaliTisTvis, sruli<br />
da nawilobrivi dafinansebiT, daaxloebiT,<br />
9 milioniT finansdeboda<br />
9 aTasamde studenti. 30%-is<br />
dafinansebis moxsnis Semdeg am<br />
raodenobam daiklo 6500-mde. programuli<br />
dafinansebiT 12 milioniT<br />
finansdeba (sruli odenobiT),<br />
daaxloebiT, 5000 studenti. aqedan,<br />
yovelwliurad, daaxloebiT,<br />
1200-dan 1500 studentamde, aseve,<br />
sxvadsxva odenobis grants iRebs.<br />
araefeqtianoba da usamarTloba<br />
is gaxlavT, rom programuli<br />
dafinansebis studentebi, sxva programebze<br />
igive Sedegebis mqone<br />
studentebTan SedarebiT, ormag<br />
dafinansebas iReben, xolo studentebi,<br />
romlebsac erovnul gamocdebze<br />
ar miuRiaT saswavlo grantebi<br />
da, Sesabamisad, dabali Sedegebi<br />
aCvenes, 100%-ian dafinansebas<br />
iReben.<br />
gansakuTrebiT SemaSfoTebelia<br />
es faqti im SemTxvevaSi, roca yovelwliurad<br />
imatebs statusSeCerebuli<br />
studentebis raodenoba.<br />
wlevandeli monacemebiT, es raodenoba<br />
ukve 38000-s gautolda. am<br />
xnis ganmavlobaSi, „evropuli saqarTvelos”<br />
araerTgzis mowodebis<br />
miuxedavad, detalurad Segveswavla<br />
es problema da dauyovnebliv<br />
mogveZebna gamosavali, mTavroba<br />
mainc jiutad uWers mxars da agr-<br />
Zelebs marTlac mavnebluri, araracionaluri<br />
da arasamarTliani<br />
politikis ganxorcielebas am mimarTulebiT,<br />
riTac, Tavis mxriv,<br />
araefeqtians xdis ganaTlebis sferoSi<br />
dafinansebis sistemas da<br />
arasamarTliani gadanawilebiT<br />
uazrod flangavs saxelmwifo biujetidan<br />
milionobiT lars.<br />
_ ratom mosTxoveT „evropulma<br />
saqarTvelom” premiersa da ga-<br />
naTlebis ministrs ganaTlebis<br />
sistemaSi arsebul xarvezebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT ganmartebebi?<br />
_ roca ganaTlebis sistemaSi<br />
mimdinare problemebi iseTi saxelmwifoebrivi<br />
mniSvnelobis sakiTxebs<br />
exeba, rogoricaa okupirebul<br />
teritoriebze qarTulenovani<br />
mosaxleobis diskriminacia da<br />
xelisuflebas ar gaaCnia gaazrebuli<br />
midgoma qveynisTvis mniSvnelovani<br />
sakiTxebis mimarT (principuli<br />
poziciebi da adekvaturi<br />
qmedebebis ganxorcielebis Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba), roca qarTuli enisa da<br />
saqarTvelos istoriis swavleba<br />
okupirebul teritoriebze arsebul<br />
skolebSi mxolod sagakveTilo<br />
procesi araa, bunebrivia, pro-<br />
blemebis Sesaxeb ara mxolod gana-<br />
Tlebis ministri, aramed umaRlesi<br />
saxelisuflebo warmomadgenlebi<br />
unda akeTebdnen ganmartebebs.<br />
igive SeiZleba iTqvas studentebis<br />
dafinansebis Sesaxeb, roca<br />
aTeul milionobiT lari biujetidan<br />
araracionalurad ixarjeba<br />
da moqmedi dafinansebis wesi<br />
xelisuflebis mxridanac ki Sefasebulia,<br />
rogorc arafrismomcemi<br />
da mavne praqtika; Tumca mainc<br />
jiutad grZeldeba aTeuli<br />
milionis flangva biujetidan.<br />
bunebrivia, ganmartebebi unda gaakeTos<br />
premierma. da aseTi araer-<br />
Ti argumentis moyvana SeiZleba,<br />
roca sistemuri problemebi saxelmwifoebrivi<br />
rangisaa da erTi<br />
saministros mavne muSaobis Sefasebasa<br />
da kritikas scildeba.<br />
_ ra dadebiTi cvlilebebis<br />
motana SeuZlia Tqvens kandidat<br />
elene xoStarias, maT Soris, ga-<br />
naTlebis sferoSi?<br />
_ rac Seexeba „evropul saqarTvelos”<br />
da konkretulad Tbilisis<br />
merobis Cvens kandidat elene xoStarias,<br />
erTi, rac Tamamad SeiZleba<br />
iTqvas, elene ualternativo<br />
kandidatia, radgan erTaderTia,<br />
romelsac naTlad aqvs gaazrebuli<br />
is problemebi, romelic dgas<br />
Cveni qalaqis winaSe da, rac mniSvnelovania,<br />
TiToeuli problemis<br />
gadaWris konkretuli gza aqvs.<br />
elene axlos icnobs ganaTlebis<br />
winaSe mdgar problemebs, uSualo<br />
Sexeba aqvs, rogorc „Tavisufali<br />
universitetis” leqtors saganmanaTleblo<br />
sferosTan da misi<br />
problemis gadaWris xedva ara mxolod<br />
politikosis Sexedulebas<br />
efuZneba, aramed rogorc uSualod<br />
procesis monawilis mosazrebebia.<br />
aRsaniSnavi da xazgasasmelia is<br />
faqti, rom dRes yvelasTvis Tval-<br />
Sisacmia nepotisturi da korufciuli<br />
sqemebi dasaqmebis sferoSi.<br />
elenes merobisas mTavari kriteriumi<br />
kompetencia da Tanamedrove<br />
ganaTleba iqneba dasaqmebis sferoSi.<br />
aseve, mniSvnelovania, dRes axalgazrdebs<br />
mieceT dasaqmebis sa-<br />
Sualeba, unarebisa da SesaZleblobebis<br />
mixedviT SeZlon saku-<br />
Tari cxovrebis dagegmva profesiuli<br />
ganviTarebisa da karieruli<br />
winsvlis kuTxiT.<br />
movlenebs win ar gavuswreb,<br />
radgan uaxloes momavalSi elene<br />
Tavad warmoadgens programas ganaTlebis<br />
mimarTulebiT, erTi ki<br />
darwmunebiT SemiZlia vTqva, am<br />
programaSi gaTvaliswinebulia ganaTlebis<br />
sferos yvela mimarTuleba,<br />
gaanalizebulia yvela problema<br />
da SemoTavazebulia maTi<br />
gadaWris konkretuli gzebi. uaxloes<br />
momavalSi am xedvebs sazogadoeba<br />
detalurad gaecnoba.<br />
N30 (207) 15.08-21.08.2017 w.<br />
elene xoStaria<br />
`elene axlos icnobs ganaTlebis winaSe mdgar problemebs, uSualo<br />
Sexeba aqvs, rogorc `Tavisufali universitetis~ leqtors<br />
saganmanaTleblo sferosTan da misi problemis gadaWris xedva<br />
ara mxolod politikosis Sexedulebas efuZneba, aramed rogorc<br />
uSualod procesis monawilis mosazrebebia. aRsaniSnavi da<br />
xazgasasmelia is faqti, rom dRes yvelasTvis TvalSisacmia<br />
nepotisturi da korufciuli sqemebi dasaqmebis sferoSi. elenes<br />
merobisas mTavari kriteriumi kompetencia da Tanamedrove<br />
ganaTleba iqneba dasaqmebis sferoSi. aseve, mniSvnelovania, dRes<br />
axalgazrdebs mieceT dasaqmebis saSualeba, unarebis mixedviT<br />
SeZlon sakuTari cxovrebis dagegmva profesiuli ganviTarebisa da<br />
karieruli winsvlis kuTxiT. movlenebs win ar gavuswreb, radgan<br />
uaxloes momavalSi elene Tavad warmoadgens programas<br />
ganaTlebis mimarTulebiT, erTi ki darwmunebiT SemiZlia vTqva, am<br />
programaSi gaTvaliswinebulia ganaTlebis sferos yvela<br />
mimarTuleba, gaanalizebulia yvela problema da SemoTavazebulia<br />
maTi gadaWris konkretuli gzebi~<br />
29
obaSi saparko zona gakeTdes. sakmaod<br />
didi teritoriaa, iq aseve<br />
SeiZleba sportuli zonac iyos.<br />
sxva teritoriebzec aris saubari,<br />
rogorc giTxariT, foniWaliskenac<br />
SeiZleba saparko zonis<br />
mowyoba. bunebrivia, qalaqis SigniT<br />
amgvari teritoriebis gamo-<br />
Zebna Wirs, amitom Cven maqsimalurad<br />
vzRudavT yvelanairi mSeneblobis<br />
saSualebas, sadac ukve<br />
Camoyalibebuli rekreaciuli<br />
teritoriebia. magaliTad, ipodromis<br />
teritoria, landSaftur<br />
teritoriebad miviCnieT kustba,<br />
lisis tba da a. S. anu es teritoriebi<br />
yvelanairi Carevisgan maqsimalurad<br />
unda davicvaT, radgan<br />
amis precedentebi arsebobs.<br />
didi yuradReba gavamaxvileT<br />
imaze, rom iqneb, mcire mdinareebis<br />
gaxsnis saSualeba mogveces.<br />
amisTvis Cven garkveuli arealebi<br />
SevarCieT. bevri mcire mdinare<br />
koleqtorSia moTavsebuli, an<br />
sacxovreblebis Sua welSi gadis,<br />
an pirdapir masze zemoT ganaSenianebaa,<br />
rac Zalian cudi precedentia<br />
da amis Sedegi ukve viwvnieT,<br />
rodesac veris xeobaSi stiqiuri<br />
movlenebi ganviTarda. amitom<br />
gvinda, rom sadac SesaZlebelia,<br />
mdinaris napirebi gaixsnas da<br />
am xeobebsa da sanapiroebs (romlebic<br />
TbilisSi mravladaa) rekreaciuli<br />
funqcia mieniWos.<br />
dRes es adgilebi nagavsayrelebadaa<br />
qceuli da aseve iq daumTavrebeli<br />
mSeneblobebia. amis Semdegac<br />
SeiZleba viRacebma iq mSenebloba<br />
daapiron. esec araa patara<br />
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arTvelos” direqtori, mamuka saluqvaZe, Tbilisis ganviTare-<br />
bis generaluri gegmis ZiriTad sakiTxebze saubrisas acxadebs,<br />
rom satransporto moZraobasTan dakavSirebuli ierarqia unda<br />
Seicvalos da upiratesoba fexiT mosiarules mieces.<br />
„siTi instituti saqarTve-<br />
los” meriisadmi SeTavazebul<br />
winadadebebze ufro konkretu-<br />
lad „qronika+” organizaciis<br />
direqtors, mamuka saluqvaZes<br />
esaubreba:<br />
_ batono mamuka, ra nabijebs<br />
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im dasaxlebebs, realurad, araferi<br />
eqnebaT da yvelafrisTvis<br />
isev qalaqSi irbenen, rac isev<br />
qalaqs gadatvirTavs da mis Sesa-<br />
Zleblobebs araefeqtianad gamoiyenebs.<br />
amitom intensiuri ganviTareba<br />
niSnavs, rom qalaqis centrTan<br />
erTad misi gareubnebic ganvi-<br />
Tardes. ar SeiZleba, varkeTilSi<br />
mcxovreb adamians aranairi servisi<br />
ar gaaCndes, mxolod vakisa da<br />
rusTavelis mcxovrebi iyos karg<br />
mdgomareobaSi, radgan yvelaferi<br />
aqve, gverdze aqvs.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, Cven e. w.<br />
policentruli arealebi movniSneT,<br />
anu vambobT, rom qalaqs<br />
erTi centri ki ar unda hqondes,<br />
piriqiT, es centri maqsimalurad<br />
unda gamovaTavisufloT, Sevz-<br />
RudoT iq garkveuli mSeneblobebi,<br />
servisebis ganTavseba da es<br />
yvelaferi gadavitanoT iq, sadac<br />
mosaxleobis didi raodenoba cxovrobs,<br />
anu gareubnebSi. me isev<br />
qalaqis ganaSenianebul teritoriaze<br />
vsaubrob, es aris vazisubani,<br />
didi diRomi, gldani...<br />
iq, garkveulwilad, Camoyalibebulia<br />
centris funqciebi, magram<br />
Cven gaZlierebaze, servisebis<br />
damatebaze vsaubrobT. gvaqvs<br />
aseTi gaTvlebi, rekomendaciebi,<br />
Tu ra saxis obieqtebi SeiZleba<br />
ganviTardes ama Tu im teritoriaze,<br />
maT Soris, gaZlierdes<br />
sainJinro, sagzao infrastruqtura<br />
da a. S. mimosvla SesaZlebeli<br />
iyos. vTqvaT, didi diRmidan<br />
adamiani marto erT avtobuss ar<br />
elodebodes, arsebobdes satransporto<br />
derefani, romelic danarCen<br />
qalaqs Zalian kargad daakavSirebs<br />
da aseTi derefnebi movniSneT<br />
kidec Cvens namuSevarSi.<br />
_ meore mimarTulebaze gada-<br />
videT...<br />
_ meore didi mimarTuleba:<br />
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30<br />
iTvaliswinebs Tqveni winadade-<br />
bebi?<br />
_ Cven moviZieT masalebi, am<br />
mimarTulebebiT analizi gavake-<br />
TeT, romelSic ara mxolod qalaqgegmarebiTi,<br />
aramed sxvadasxva<br />
momijnave dargis specialobac<br />
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gegma, rac qalaqs bevri<br />
wlis ganmavlobaSi ar hqonia.<br />
miwaTsargeblobis kuTxiT qalaqs<br />
davusaxeT, Tu rogor unda ganviTardes,<br />
ra mimarTulebebia<br />
prioritetuli, radgan, mogexsenebaT,<br />
miwaTsargeblobis generalur<br />
gegmas vakeTebT da ara<br />
strategiebs da a. S.<br />
koncefciaSi sami ZiriTadi mimarTuleba<br />
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mere SeiZleba sxva sakiTxebic CavrToT.<br />
pirveli aris kompaqturi<br />
qalaqi. intensiuri ganviTareba<br />
swrafad ganviTarebasa da raRacebis<br />
CaSenebas ar niSnavs. qalaq-<br />
Si arsebobs ganaSenianebuli teritoriis<br />
konturi da aseve gaunaSenianebeli,<br />
sadac sasoflo miwebi,<br />
landSafturi teritoriebi,<br />
satyeo miwebia. Cven vambobT, rom<br />
im gaTvlebis, demografiuli kvlevisa<br />
da im resursebis safuZvelze,<br />
romelic qalaqs aqvs (da<br />
romelic CvenTan gakeTda), qalaqi<br />
ukve ganaSenianebuli konturis<br />
SigniT unda ganviTardes da ar<br />
daviwyoT axali teritoriebis<br />
sacxovrebel kvartlebad da a. S.<br />
gamoyeneba.<br />
ra Tqma unda, Tu sazogadoebrivi<br />
interesi iqneba, rom iq ra-<br />
Rac sportuli obieqti moewyos,<br />
magram qalaqgareT sacxovreblad<br />
axali teritoriebis gamoyofa<br />
sworad ar migvaCnia. bevri ram<br />
arsebobs amis sawinaaRmdegod:<br />
ukve gacemuli nebarTvebis Zalian<br />
didi raodenobaa, es aTwleulebis<br />
ganavlobaSi gacemuli<br />
dokumentebia. daaxloebiT, 6,5<br />
milion kvadratul metr sacxovrebel<br />
farTze nebarTvebia gacemuli,<br />
romlidanac bevri jer<br />
ar aSenebula. aqedan sul SeiZleba<br />
20-30% iyos aSenebuli. danar-<br />
Ceni, rogorc Cans, aSendeba, radgan<br />
arsebuli nebarTvebis realobis<br />
winaSe davdeqiT;<br />
amave dros, qalaqSi aris teritoriebi,<br />
romelic gasaRebiTaa<br />
Caketili da mas aravin iyenebs. es<br />
e. w. yofili sawarmoo teritoriebia,<br />
romelic qalaqisTvis aseve<br />
garkveul resurss warmoadgens.<br />
aseTi ki, daaxloebiT, 800 ha<br />
teritoriaa!<br />
imazec vifiqroT, Tu viRacis<br />
axirebaa, rom maincdamainc qalaqgareT<br />
raRac Tavisufal teritoriaze<br />
unda avaSenoo, es Semdeg<br />
qalaqisTvis damatebiT xarjebis<br />
gaRebas gamoiwvevs. es iqneba sain-<br />
Jinro komunikaciebis, gzebis miyvana,<br />
raRac servisis obieqtebi<br />
unda Seiqmnas da a. S. rogorc wesi,<br />
es wlebzea gaTvlili, manamde<br />
Semogvedaveba, rom dedaqalaqi<br />
kargad gamwvanebulia, es mis sindisze<br />
iyos, albaT, man ukeTesad<br />
icis. magram Cven vambobT, rom<br />
Tbilisis ganaSenianebul nawilSi<br />
Zalian mwiria gamwvanebisa da rekreaciis<br />
wili. daaxloebiT, es<br />
SeiZleba iyos samnaxevari, oTxi<br />
kvadratuli metri erT adamianze.<br />
Tan kidev erTi faqtoria, rom<br />
ukve ramdenime aTwleulia, TbilisSi<br />
axali saparko mSenebloba<br />
ar yofila. swored amitom gadavwyviteT,<br />
amas mivaqcioT mniSvnelovani<br />
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da rekreaciis ganvi-<br />
Tareba.<br />
magaliTad, pirdapir viTxovT,<br />
rom diRmis Walebis teritoriaze<br />
(is nawili, romelic SesaZlebelia,<br />
ganaSenianebisgan davicvaT,<br />
iqac wlebis winaT ganaSenianebis<br />
procesi wavida) saparke zona gakeTdes.<br />
amisTvis movniSnoT sazRvrebi,<br />
rom iq ukve Senobebi aRar<br />
Caidgas. es imitomac gvinda, rom<br />
iq mtkvris bunebrivi sanapiroa.<br />
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iyos, radgan am yvelaferSi Zalian didi energia didi<br />
siyvaruli CavdeT Cveni qalaqis mimarT. es ubralo sityvebi ar<br />
aris, maxsovs ramdenad rTuli gza gamoviareT. Zalian Znelia<br />
iseT qalaqze muSaoba, rogoric Tbilisia, amaSi Cveni germaneli,<br />
frangi partniorebi Zalian dagvexmarnen. axali evropuli<br />
midgomebi maTTan erTad gaviareT da qalaqs SevTavazeT~<br />
obebi rom gamoTavisufldes da<br />
rekreaciuli zonebi moewyos.<br />
_ satransporto problemas<br />
rac Seexeba?<br />
_ Cveni kancefciis nawili _<br />
kargad SekavSirebuli qalaqi _<br />
imas niSnavs, rom satransporto<br />
problema im doneze unda iyos,<br />
rasac Tbilisis miwaTsargeblobis<br />
generaluri gegma da, saer-<br />
Tod, generaluri gegma sazRvravs.<br />
Cven aTi aTasiani masStabiT<br />
vmuSaobT, yvela kvanZisa da moZraobis<br />
organizebas ar vakeTebT,<br />
radgan es detalur dagegmarebas<br />
iTxovs, rac Semdegi etapis dokumentebia<br />
da amaze meriam konkursi<br />
an tenderi unda gamoacxados,<br />
es misi gasakeTebelia. es aris<br />
satransporto modelireba imisTvis,<br />
rom Cven TiToeuli kvan-<br />
Zis doneze miviRoT gadawyvetebi.<br />
aseve Sidameurneobebis kvlevaa<br />
gakeTebuli satransporto<br />
kuTxiT, anu vin rogor iyenebs<br />
manqanas, axla satransporto<br />
modelirebaa gasakeTebeli.<br />
Cven rac davsaxeT, es satransporto<br />
derefnebia, maT Soris,<br />
erT-erTi gamWoli derefania,<br />
romelic dRes qalaqSi ar arsebobs.<br />
viciT, rom aris ori sanapiro<br />
zoli, sanapiro-satransporto<br />
magistrali, magram kidev<br />
erTi mZlavri zoli, qalaqis er-<br />
Ti kuTxidan meoremde uwyvetad<br />
rom SeZlos manqanebis gatareba,<br />
swored aseTi movniSneT erT-erT<br />
satransporto derefnad.<br />
meore satransporto derefani<br />
didi diRmidan maRliv korpusamde<br />
da mesame _ maRlivi korpusidan<br />
orTaWalaSi, guluas moednamde<br />
iqneba. Cven xSirad tramvaisTan<br />
da ekologiurad sufTa<br />
transportTan dakavSirebiT vsaubrobT,<br />
romelic SeiZleba ufro<br />
Semdgom etapze gakeTdes, roca<br />
amisTvis garkveuli finansebic<br />
gaCndeba. manamde am qalaqSi sazogadoebrivi<br />
transportis gamokveTili<br />
prioriteti unda arsebobdes.<br />
dRevandeli ierarqia unda amovatrialoT<br />
(yvela evropul<br />
qalaqSi realurad asea). CvenTan<br />
ra aris prioritetuli? dameTanxmebiT,<br />
rom es kerZo transportia,<br />
aq xom yvelaferi mas eqvemdebareba<br />
da emorCileba, trotuaric<br />
ki dRes mis sakuTrebaSia.<br />
swored amas unda vecadoT, rom<br />
es qalaqi, upirvelesad, fexiT<br />
mosiarulisTvis iyos, Semdeg<br />
velosipedistebisTvisac saTanadod<br />
komfortuli unda gaxdes.<br />
veloqselis ganviTarebis koncefciis,<br />
proeqtis SemuSaveba<br />
aucilebelia. ase iqcevian ucxoeTis<br />
qalaqebi, sadac Cven mogvwons<br />
yofna.<br />
sajaro transporti calsaxad<br />
prioriteti unda iyos da mxolod<br />
Semdeg SeiZleba vizrunoT<br />
kerZo manqanebze, romelTa moZraoba,<br />
realurad, SeizRudeba. ar<br />
SeiZleba, rom maT bolomde Seiwiron<br />
am qalaqSi yvelaferi, maT<br />
Soris, ekologiuri mdgomareoba.<br />
amisTvis aucilebelia, parkirebis<br />
Zalian kargi da moqnili<br />
sistema Camoyalibdes da ara ise-<br />
Ti, rogoric dRes qalaqSi moqmedebs.<br />
aseve, daaxloebiT, 8-10 ganivi<br />
kavSiri gvaqvs moniSnuli konkretul<br />
teritoriebze, romelmac<br />
marcxena sanapiro marjvenasTan<br />
unda daakavSiros. iciT, rom rkinigzis<br />
gadatanis sakiTxi isev amovwieT<br />
da vTqviT, es swori winadadeba<br />
iyo. swored mis adgilas<br />
gaivlis dedaqalaqis uwyveti<br />
saavtomobilo gza.<br />
xSirad imaze saubroben, rom<br />
rkinigzis gadatana imisTvis undaT,<br />
iq sacxovreblebi aaSenono.<br />
amasTan dakavSirebiT Zalian mkacri<br />
midgoma gvaqvs. vcdilobT,<br />
rom gadaWarbebuli mSenebloba<br />
SevzRudoT, radgan, rogorc<br />
mogaxseneT, 6,5 milion kvadratul<br />
metrze nebarTvebi ukve gacemulia.<br />
ase rom, es Zalian didi<br />
resursia, moTxovna namdvilad ar<br />
aris da amitom kidev sacxovreblebis<br />
nebismier teritoriaze<br />
daSveba gamoricxulia.<br />
piriqiT, gamoTavisuflebuli<br />
teritoriebi maqsimalurad gamwvanebisa<br />
da rekreaciisTvis unda<br />
gamoviyenoT. ager zafxulia da<br />
grZnobT TbilisSi ra mdgomareobaa,<br />
es realoba kidev ufro<br />
garTuldeba, Tu msgavsi radikaluri<br />
nabijebi ar gadavdgiT.<br />
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li adresatebi vin arian da ra<br />
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_ saerTaSoriso konkursi<br />
gamocxadda da damkveTi dedaqalaqis<br />
meriis arqiteqturis samsaxuria.<br />
CavTvaloT, rom damkve-<br />
Ti Tbilisis meriaa. Cven aseTi<br />
davaleba gvqonda da maT yovel<br />
sam TveSi erTxel garkveuli<br />
dokumentaciis CamonaTvals va-<br />
ZlevdiT. isini miReba-Cabarebis<br />
formiT am yvelafers ibarebdnen,<br />
iq SeniSvnebic iyo, gasworebac da<br />
a. S. mokled, samuSao procesia.<br />
Sedegad, sqeltaniani dokumenti<br />
davdeT, iq uamravi rukaa, romelic<br />
sxva dros ar gakeTebula.<br />
marto 70-mde Tematuri rukaa,<br />
aRarafers vambob im mniSvnelovan<br />
dokumentze, rogoric SezRudvebis,<br />
struqturuli funqciebisa<br />
da zonirebis rukaa.<br />
saerTod, es ar aris yvelas<br />
dokumenti, es, ZiriTadad, arqiteqturis<br />
samsaxurisTvis saxelmZRvanelo<br />
dokumentia. Tumca ar<br />
SeiZleba, arqiteqturis samsaxurma<br />
amiT nebarTvebi gasces. amitom<br />
Cven Tavidanve movniSneT tritoriebi,<br />
sadac, pirvel rigSi,<br />
unda ganxorcieldes Semdegi etapis<br />
qalaqgegmarebiTi dokumentebi,<br />
rogorc es kanonmdeblobiT<br />
aris gansazRvruli. es ganaSenianebis<br />
regulirebis gegmebia, xolo<br />
parametrebi, moculobebi,<br />
konkretuli zonireba swored am<br />
dokumentis meSveobiT unda moxdes<br />
da ukve qalaqis arqiteqturis<br />
samsaxurma SeiZleba gasces<br />
Sesabamisi nebarTva.<br />
sabolood, es dokumenti sakrebulom<br />
unda daamtkicos da<br />
Semdeg normatiuli dokumenti<br />
gaxdeba.<br />
_ elodebiT meriis mxridan<br />
Tqveni winadadebebis saTanadod<br />
gaTvaliswinebas?<br />
_ rTuli sakiTxia da es Tqvenc<br />
kargad mogexsenebaT. Cven xelSekruleba<br />
noemberSi gviwydeba, manamde<br />
vcdilobT, es dokumenti<br />
maqsimalurad srulyofili iyos.<br />
Tu raRac dasWirdebaT, bunebrivia,<br />
maT yovelgvari dafinansebis<br />
gareSe mivexmarebiT. es<br />
imitom, rom am dokumentis mimarT,<br />
ubralod, pasuxismgeblobas<br />
vgrZnobT. Semdeg Cveni Careva<br />
ukve, praqtikulad, gamoricxuli<br />
iqneba, radgan varT organizacia,<br />
romelmac konkursSi gaimarjva<br />
da xelSekruleba daido. amis Semdeg<br />
meriis organo ar varT, rom<br />
adgilze visxdeT, raRacebi vasworoT<br />
da vakeToT.<br />
amave dros, Cven SevTavazeT,<br />
rom TviTon meriis wiaRSi struqtura<br />
Camoyalibdes (zustad<br />
rogori iqneba, ver getyviT), radgan,<br />
vfiqrobT, rom arqiteqturis<br />
samsaxuri Tavs ver gaarTmevs<br />
imas, rom marTos da am procesebs<br />
monitoringi gauwios, rac miwaTsargeblobis<br />
gengegmas Seexeba.<br />
qalaqis arqiteqturis samsaxurma<br />
SeiZleba nebarTvebi gasces,<br />
magram aucilebeli iqneba garkveuli<br />
organo. rodesac institucia<br />
instituciisTvis ar unda<br />
iyos, iq ar unda iyvnen iseTi arakompetenturi<br />
adamianebi, romlebic<br />
ubralod dasxdebian da<br />
amaSi xelfass aiReben.<br />
es unda iyos Zalian kargad<br />
Camoyalibebuli eqspertTa jgufi,<br />
romelic mudmivad imuSavebs<br />
teqnikur davalebebze, ganaSenianebis<br />
regulirebis gegmebisTvis<br />
konkursebis mowyobaze, RonisZiebebis<br />
ganxorcielebis xelSewyobaze<br />
da a.S. am SemTxvevaSi<br />
SesaZlebelia, realur Sedegs davucadoT.<br />
namdvilad ar gvinda, rom es<br />
Taroze Semosadebi dokumenti<br />
iyos, radgan am yvelaferSi<br />
Zalian didi energia didi siyvaruli<br />
CavdeT Cveni qalaqis mimarT.<br />
es ubralo sityvebi ar<br />
aris, maxsovs ramdenad rTuli<br />
gza gamoviareT. Zalian Znelia<br />
iseT qalaqze muSaoba, rogoric<br />
Tbilisia, amaSi Cveni germaneli,<br />
frangi partniorebi Zalian<br />
dagvexmarnen. axali evropuli<br />
midgomebi maTTan erTad gaviareT<br />
da qalaqs SevTavazeT.<br />
amitom Tu es proeqti ganxorcielda,<br />
Zalian kargi Sedegebi miiReba.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, garkveuli RonisZiebebi<br />
ase gavwereT, yvelaferi<br />
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wvima niaRvrad modioda da<br />
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iq mcenareebis gaxareba Znelia,<br />
amitom iq niadagi SehqondaT, kldeebs<br />
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rgavdnen xeebs.<br />
ZiriTadad, dargulia Savi fi-<br />
Wvi, romelic adgilobrivi saxeoba<br />
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miuRebelia, radgan mas didi<br />
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problema isic aris, rom Tavidan<br />
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amitom es xeebi, umeteswilad,<br />
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moWras da gatanas sa-<br />
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raRac raodenoba gamwvanebis samsaxurma<br />
gaitana, magram es arasakmarisi<br />
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saWiroa (da amas xSirad<br />
veubnebiT meriis gamwvanebis<br />
samsaxurs), rom meriam miiRos<br />
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SeiZleba mokle droSi moiWras<br />
es fiWvebi da gaitanon teritoriidan.<br />
mis adgilze unda dairgos<br />
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masStaburi saqmianoba aris Castarebeli.<br />
Tbilisis meria jars<br />
ver gamoiyenebs, am gadawyvetilebas<br />
umaRlesi mTavarsardali<br />
sWirdeba.<br />
mokled, aseTi viTarebisTvis<br />
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ba gamxmari xeebis gamoxSirv-<br />
isTvis aucilebelia?<br />
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`gamxmari xeebi<br />
momavalSic<br />
xanZarsaSiS<br />
viTarebas<br />
qmnis~<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, es xeebi unda<br />
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unda gavusworoT.<br />
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magaliTad, kalaZe, - kaci vice-premieri iyo da<br />
araferi gaukeTebia am mimarTulebiT da axal<br />
dapirebebs gvaZlevs, rasac, bunebrivia, ar<br />
gaakeTebs. aseve, `nacionaluri moZraobis~<br />
warmomadgenlebma Tavi imiT isaxeles, rom tye<br />
da gamwvaneba ar datoves, axla ki programaSi<br />
aqvT es gamwvaneba. amitom maTi imedic ar maqvs~<br />
maneTTan ganlagebuli, ramdenad<br />
daqanebuli ferdobia, im adgilze<br />
warmoiSoba Tu ara wylis<br />
nakadebi wvimis dros da a.S.<br />
_ qalaqis meria aseTi tipis<br />
gamowvevebze ramdenad adekva-<br />
tur reagirebas axdens, Tqveni<br />
dakvirveba rogoria?<br />
_ adekvaturi reagireba rom<br />
momxdariyo, imas gaakeTebdnen,<br />
razec ukve mogaxseneT. anu sagangebo<br />
viTarebas gamoacxadebdnen,<br />
an saWiro Tanxebi gamoiZebneboda<br />
problemebis gadasawyvetad.<br />
amis magivrad Tbilisis meria Tanxebs<br />
raRac sisuleleSi xarjavs.<br />
magaliTad, gamwvanebis egidiT<br />
Tanxa ixarjeba iseTi skverebis<br />
Tavidan gakeTebaSi, romlebic<br />
isedac kargi skverebia. daaxloebiT,<br />
150 aTasi lari daixarja<br />
vaJa-fSavelaze, ovalur skverze,<br />
romelic isedac erT-erTi yvelaze<br />
lamazi skveri iyo Tbilis-<br />
Si. iq Zalian bevri vardis buCqi<br />
iyo. adgnen, moTxares es vardis<br />
buCqebi da raRac Zvirfasi zeTisxilis<br />
xeebi darges, isic mcire<br />
raodenobiT. es 150 aTasi lari<br />
dajda da axla iquroba, lamis,<br />
sasaflaos daemsgavsa.<br />
rac mTavaria, amiT arc erTi<br />
kvadratuli metri gamwvanebas ar<br />
Sematebia. Tan teritoria iseT<br />
adgilasaa, sadac adamiani fexiT<br />
ver midis. anu mas rekreaciuli<br />
daniSnuleba ar gaaCnia, garSemo<br />
Zalian didi moZraobaa, gadasavlelic<br />
ar aqvs.<br />
igive sisuleleSi daixarja<br />
fuli saakaZis Zeglis garSemo<br />
rom skveria. anu iq adamiani ar<br />
dadis, adgils rekreaciuli Rirebuleba<br />
ar gaaCnia... mere ityvian,<br />
rom fuli aRar gvyofniso.<br />
Tu aseT raRacebSi daxarjav, bunebrivia,<br />
ar geyofa.<br />
gamwvanebaze aradekvatur<br />
RonisZiebebs atareben.<br />
_ ra swori nabijebi unda ga-<br />
daidgas im fonze, roca viciT,<br />
rom dedaqalaqSi gamwvanebis<br />
mxriv katastrofuli mdgomar-<br />
eoba gvaqvs?<br />
_ unda aikrZalos nebismieri<br />
mSenebloba an msgavsi qmedeba,<br />
romelic mwvane nargavebs Seamcirebs.<br />
Sewydes yovelgvari ase-<br />
Ti farTobis privatizeba (nebismieri<br />
pirobiT) gamwvanebul teritoriaze,<br />
radgan amas moyveba<br />
mxolod erTaderTi Sedegi _<br />
gaCexva da iq raRacebis gaSeneba.<br />
dawesdes limitebi, Tu kerZo<br />
teritoriazec ramdenis Seneba<br />
SeeZleba adamians. magaliTad, kerZo<br />
teritoriaze adamians ar<br />
unda SeeZlos, rom es sivrce<br />
mTlianad nagebobebad gadaaq-<br />
cios. maqsimalurad unda Seiz-<br />
Rudos parkebis mSeneblobis<br />
dros miwis dafarva mopirkeTebiT<br />
(marmarilo da a. S). es fulis<br />
keTebis meti araferia da<br />
aravis sWirdeba marmariloTi da<br />
granitiT dafaruli parkebi.<br />
es Tanxebi unda moxmardes<br />
arsebuli dazianebuli xeebis gajansaRebas,<br />
maT axlebiT Canacvlebas<br />
da sadac jer kidev Sesa-<br />
Zlebelia, axali sarekreacio<br />
zonebi unda Seiqmnas.<br />
_ kustbis ferdobs vakis<br />
parks uerTeben...<br />
_ esec xalxis motyuebaa, radgan<br />
araferi SeuerTdeba. martivad<br />
SegiZliaT SexedoT teritorias,<br />
romelzec saubaria, ramdeni<br />
iyo vakis parki, axla ramdeni<br />
aris darCenili da a. S.<br />
es, ubralod, xalxis motyueba<br />
da sinamdvileSi araferi mniSvnelovani<br />
gamwvanebuli teritoria<br />
ar emateba. amas is xalxi acxadebs,<br />
visac Tavisive mier gakeTebul<br />
rukaSi arc Cauxedavs.<br />
_ gulisxmobT, rom es fer-<br />
`xelovnuri wiwvovanebi nel-nela foTlovani<br />
tyiT unda Caanacvlon, radgan foTlovani tye,<br />
jer erTi, xanZrisadmi gamZlea da, meorec,<br />
foTlovani xe ufro met Jangbads gamoyofs da<br />
met naxSirorJangs STanTqavs~<br />
dobi isedac ekuTvnoda aRiS-<br />
nul teritorias?<br />
_ odesRac ekuTvnoda da dRes<br />
imis Zalian mcire nawilze midis<br />
saubari. Tan kustbamde ki ara, am<br />
sivrceSi Zalian mcire teritoria<br />
xvdeba, amitom aris es gancxadeba<br />
sicrue.<br />
rogorc Cans, raRac teritoriis<br />
kidev viRac kerZo mesakuTreebze<br />
gacemas apireben da<br />
axla piarisTvis amboben, rom vi-<br />
Tom mcire nawils sarekreacio<br />
zonas vaZlevTo. realoba aseTia<br />
da ajobebs, am mxriv tyuilebs<br />
Tavi daanebon.<br />
_ adgilobriv arCevnebze<br />
vinmes xom ar uWerT mxars?<br />
_ jerjerobiT, aranairi prioriteti<br />
ar gvaqvs adgilobriv<br />
arCevnebTan dakavSrebiT, magram<br />
zustad vici, rom visac aqamde<br />
araferi gaukeTebia, is amis Semdegac<br />
sasikeTos arafers gaakeTebs.<br />
magaliTad, kalaZe, _ kaci<br />
vice-premieri iyo da araferi<br />
gaukeTebia am mimarTulebiT da<br />
axal dapirebebs gvaZlevs, rasac,<br />
bunebrivia, ar gaakeTebs.<br />
aseve, „nacionaluri moZraobis”<br />
warmomadgenlebma Tavi imiT<br />
isaxeles, rom tye da gamwvaneba<br />
ar datoves, axla ki programaSi<br />
aqvT es gamwvaneba. amitom maTi<br />
imedic ar maqvs.<br />
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saqarTvelo” qalisa da mamakacis sapensio asakis gaTan-<br />
abrebasTan dakavSirebiT sakanonmdeblo iniciativaze muSaobs.<br />
rogorc partiis wevrebi acxadeben, sapensio asaki, qalisa da<br />
mamakacis SemTxvevaSi, 60 weli unda iyos.<br />
„axali saqarTvelos” lideri,<br />
giorgi vaSaZe, miiCnevs, rom qal-<br />
isa da mamakacis sapensio asakSi<br />
gansxvaveba sruliad diskriminaciuli<br />
midgomaa: „Cven mivmar-<br />
TavT samarTlebriv proceduras<br />
da moviTxovT asakis gaTanabre-<br />
bas. mimaCnia, rom es asaki unda<br />
iyos 60 weli. amisTvis, pirvel<br />
rigSi, Cven SevagrovebT 30 000 xelmoweras,<br />
Semdeg ki sakonstitucio<br />
sasamarTloSi SevitanT sar-<br />
Cels. es ar aris saarCevno kampaniis<br />
nawili. es procesi gagr-<br />
Zeldeba da Cven am saqmes bolomde<br />
miviyvanT. ganviTarebul qveynebSi<br />
qalisa da mamakacis sapen-<br />
sio asaki gaTanabrebulia. is<br />
norma, romelic dRes Cvens kanonSia,<br />
diskriminaculia”, _ ga-<br />
nacxada giorgi vaSaZem.<br />
iniciativa, sapensio asakis ga-<br />
TanabrebasTan dakavSirebiT „axali<br />
saqarTvelos” qalTa orga-<br />
nizacias ekuTvnis. organizaciis<br />
xelmZRvanelis, Teona WaliZis<br />
TqmiT, isini imuSaveben problemur<br />
sakiTxebze, romelic ara mxolod<br />
qalebs, aramed mamakaceb-<br />
sac exeba: „is sakanonmdeblo no-<br />
rma, romelic Cven gvaqvs, aris<br />
diskriminaciuli rogorc kaceb-<br />
isTvis, aseve qalebisTvis. mas Se-<br />
mdeg, rac Cven CamovayalibeT qa-<br />
lTa organizacia, vmuSaobT araerT<br />
problemur sakiTxze. qal-<br />
Ta organizacia ar gulisxmobs<br />
mxolod qalebisTvis problemur<br />
Temebze muSaobas. es sakanonmde-<br />
blo norma, romelic dRes Cven<br />
gvaqvs, aris diskriminaciuli.<br />
Cven viTxovT realur Tanaswo-<br />
robas. orive SemTxvevaSi sapensio<br />
asaki unda iyos 60 weli da amis-<br />
Tvis Cven gadavdgamT qmediT na-<br />
bijebs. xelmowerebs SevagrovebT<br />
mTeli saqarTvelos masStabiT”,<br />
_ ganacxada Teona WaliZem.<br />
„axali saqarTvelos” qalTa<br />
organizaciis iniciativaze sasamarTloSi<br />
warsadgen sakonsti-<br />
tucio sarCels iuristi marika<br />
arevaZe amzadebs. am saqmesTan<br />
dakavSirebiT „qronika+~-s -s mari-<br />
ka arevaZe esaubreba:<br />
_ marika, rogorc sazogadoebisTvis<br />
9 agvistos gaxda cno-<br />
bili, politikuri platforma<br />
„axali saqarTvelos” wevrebi<br />
apir<br />
ireben, sapensio asakis gaTan-<br />
abrebis kuTxiT mimarTon parla-<br />
ments sakanonmdeblo winadadebiT<br />
da paralelurad mimarTon sa-<br />
konstitucio sasamarTlos, am<br />
nawilSi ki advokatirebas swored<br />
Tqven gauwevT. ris moTxovnas<br />
apirebT sakonstitucio sarCe-<br />
lis farglebSi?<br />
_ Cemi informaciiT maT ukve<br />
mimarTes sakanonmdeblo organos<br />
da Sesabamisi blankebis miRebas<br />
elodebian, rom xelmowerebis Segroveba<br />
daiwyon. rac Seexeba sakonstitucio<br />
sarCels da mis farglebs,<br />
„axali saqarTvelos” warmomadgenlebi<br />
damikavSirdnen, ma-<br />
Ti Sexeduleba gamacnes am sakiTx-<br />
Tan mimarTebiT da maTTvis warmomadgenlobis<br />
gaweva mTxoves<br />
swored sakonstitucio sarCelis<br />
farglebSi.<br />
_ Sesabamisad, Tqven aRniSnul<br />
saqmeSi CarTuli iqnebiT, rog-<br />
orc advokati, Tu „axali saqarTv<br />
Tvelos” qalTa organizaciis<br />
wevri xarT?<br />
_ me var advokati da politikurad<br />
neitraluri moqalaqe,<br />
Sesabamisad, ar var arc erTi partiis<br />
warmomadgeneli da am davis<br />
farglebSic „axal saqarTvelos”<br />
da maT qalTa organizacias gavuwev<br />
sasamarTlo warmomadgenlobas.<br />
_ davubrundeT sarCels da<br />
mis farglebSi Tqvens moTxov-<br />
nas...<br />
_ sakonstitucio sarCelis<br />
farglebSi Cven davayenebT saxelmwifo<br />
pensiis Sesaxeb saqarTvelos<br />
kanonis me-5 muxlis pirveli<br />
punqtis konstituciurobis Semowmebis<br />
sakiTxs, saqarTvelos konstituciis<br />
me-14 muxlTan mimarTebiT.<br />
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qalisa da mamakacis sapensio<br />
asaki gaTanabrdeba?!<br />
marika<br />
arevaZe<br />
saqarTvelos konstituciis me-14<br />
muxliT aRiarebulia yvela adamianis<br />
Tanasworoba kanonis winaSe.<br />
aRniSnuli muxli gamoricxavs<br />
raime saxis diskriminacias nebismieri<br />
niSniT. saxelmwifo pensiis<br />
Sesaxeb saqarTvelos kanoni ki<br />
ambobs, rom „pensiaze uflebis<br />
warmoSobis safuZvelia sapensio<br />
asakis _ 65 wlis miRweva. amasTanave,<br />
pensiaze ufleba qalebs warmoeSobaT<br />
60 wlidan”; anu uSvebs<br />
qalebisa da kacebis araTanabar,<br />
uTanasworo mdgomareobas asak-<br />
Tan mimarTebiT, sxvaoba ki ganpirobebulia<br />
genderuli niSniT.<br />
amitom migvaCnia, rom adgili aqvs<br />
diskriminacias da swored aRniSnuli<br />
sakiTxis gadasawyvetad mivmarTavT<br />
sakonstitucio sasamarTlos.<br />
sarCeli ukve mzad maqvs<br />
da uaxloes dReebSi movaxdenT<br />
mis daregistrirebas.<br />
_ am iniciativam azrTa sxva-<br />
dasxvaoba gamoiwvia. Tqveni azr-<br />
iT, es ram ganapiroba?<br />
_ gamoxmaurebebs mec mivadevne<br />
Tvali da sazogadoebis mxridan,<br />
ZiriTadad, dadebiTi Sefasebebia,<br />
Tumca aris sawinaaRmdego azric,<br />
rac qalTa uflebebis damcvelebisgan<br />
modis. maTi pozicia, rogorc<br />
vnaxe, aris is, rom jer mosagvarebelia<br />
mTeli rigi sxva sakiTxebi<br />
da mxolod Semdeg SeiZleba<br />
am sakiTxis dRis wesrigSi dayeneba.<br />
bunebrivia, CemTvis saintereso<br />
da mniSvnelovania Sefasebebis<br />
mosmena. mniSvnelovani da pativsacemia<br />
qalTa uflebebis damcvelebis<br />
poziciac, amitom vfiqrob,<br />
Tuki maT eqnebaT survili da<br />
mzaoba, Sevxvdebi kidec am sakiTxis<br />
gasavlelad, magram erTia problemuri<br />
sakiTxebis mogvarebis<br />
rigiTobaze msjeloba da meore _<br />
konkretuli movlenis samarTlebrivi<br />
Sefaseba. samarTlebrivi<br />
TvalsazrisiT ki sadavo norma<br />
(gansxvavebuli sapensio asaki) namdvilad<br />
diskriminaciuli niSnebis<br />
matarebelia. amavdroulad,<br />
marTalia, adamianis uflebaTa<br />
evropuli sasamarTlos praqtika<br />
ar adgens am niSniT diskriminacias,<br />
magram sxvadasxva evropul<br />
SefasebaSi Riad aris saubari am<br />
niSnis mixedviT uTanasworobaze.<br />
garda amisa, saqarTveloSi yvelaze<br />
mTavari kanoni aris konstitucia<br />
da konstituciis daTqmebs<br />
unda Seesabamebodes yvela sxva<br />
kanoni/normatiuli aqti, maT Soris,<br />
saerTaSoriso xelSekrulebebic.<br />
_ saerTaSoriso xelSekrulebebis<br />
Canaweri, am mxriv, winaaRmdegobaSi<br />
modis konstitucia-<br />
sTan?<br />
_ araviTar SemTxvevaSi. magaliTad,<br />
adamianis uflebaTa da ZiriTad<br />
TavisuflebaTa Sesaxeb konvencia<br />
(igive evrokonvecia), misi<br />
damatebiTi oqmi, adamianis uflebaTa<br />
deklaracia da rigi sxva dokumentebi<br />
_ krZalavs yovelgvar<br />
diskriminacias, iqneba es pirdapiri<br />
Tu iribi. Sesabamisad, am dokumentebiTac<br />
aRiarebulia yvela<br />
adamianis Tanasworoba kanonis<br />
winaSe.<br />
saqarTvelos konstituciis me-<br />
14 muxli adamians icavs ukanono<br />
diskriminaciisgan. Sesabamisad, sadavo<br />
normis Sinaarsis dadgenisa<br />
da misi konstituciis meore Tavis<br />
moTxovnebTan Sesabamisobis sakiTxis<br />
gansazRvrisas sasamarTlos<br />
mier erT-erTi, rac unda iyos<br />
gamokvleuli, aris diskriminaciis<br />
daSvebis legitimuroba, misi<br />
mizani da daadginos is sikeTe, Tu<br />
ris gadarCenas emsaxureba msgavsi<br />
uTanasworoba. sasamarTlom<br />
aseve unda gamoikvlios msgavsi<br />
diskriminaciuli midgomiT, ramdenad<br />
didia daculi sikeTis mniSvneloba,<br />
Selaxuli sikeTis mniSvnelobasTan<br />
mimarTebiT. rac Seexeba<br />
am uTanasworobis gamarTlebas,<br />
es saqarTvelos parlamentma<br />
unda moaxdinos da aseTi Canaweris<br />
gasamarTleblad unda wamoayenos<br />
myari argumentebi. amitom<br />
vfiqrob, rom saxelmwifos argumentirebuli<br />
poziciis mosmena<br />
mniSvnelovani iqneba am sarCelis<br />
SedegisTvis.<br />
_ zogierT SemTxvevaSi es uTanasworoba<br />
ar miiCneva diskriminaciad,<br />
magaliTad, samxedro sam-<br />
saxuris dros...<br />
_ diax, sakonstitucio sasamarTlos<br />
sqesis niSniT SesaZlo<br />
diskriminaciaze aqvs namsjeli da<br />
im sarCelis farglebSi ar miiCnia<br />
gansxvaveba diskriminaciad. magram<br />
es ori saqme mniSvnelovnad gansxvavdeba<br />
erTmaneTisgan, vinaidan<br />
im saqmeSi sakonstitucio sasamarTlom<br />
ganmarta, rom samxedro<br />
samsaxuri da qveynis Tavdacvis sakiTxebi<br />
miznad ar isaxavs sqesis<br />
niSniT diskriminacias, emsaxureba<br />
qveynis Tavdacvisunarianobisa<br />
da usafrTxoebis umniSvnelovanes<br />
legitimur miznebs da warmoadgens<br />
amgvari miznebis miRwevis<br />
dasaSveb, aucilebel da proporciul<br />
saSualebas. Cven mier warsadgeni<br />
sarCelis Sinaarsi ki arsebiTad<br />
gansxvavebulia, vinaidan<br />
am SemTxvevaSi qalisa da mamakacis<br />
mimarT gansxvavebuli mopyrobis<br />
dros adgili ar aqvs saxelmwifo<br />
Tavdacvisa da qveynis usafrTxoebis<br />
maRal legitimur mizans,<br />
romelic uTanasworobisa da<br />
uflebaSi Carevis proporciulad<br />
da Tanazomier Carevad SeiZleba<br />
miviCnioT.<br />
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ukve miiRo, gafrindaSvilebi gamonaklisebi aRmoCndnen. maT<br />
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Cnda. yoveldRiurad saSiSroebis<br />
winaSe vdgavarT da yvelaferi<br />
Tavze rodis dagvemxoba, ar<br />
viciT. Tumca kompaniidan Cven-<br />
Tan aravin mosula da aranair<br />
kompensaciaze molaparakeba ar<br />
yofila.<br />
_ Tqven TviTon Tu mimarT-<br />
eT kompanias?<br />
_ diax, aq samuSaoebs awarmoebs<br />
kompania „jorjian manganezi”,<br />
romlis wliuri brunva<br />
yofila 7 miliardi. am kompa-<br />
noba-nageboba veranairad gauZlebs,<br />
xelT maqvs levan samxaraulis<br />
eqspertizis biuros<br />
daskvna. gTxovT, winamdebare<br />
gancxadebis anotaciis namdvilobis<br />
dasadgenad gamoyoT komisia,<br />
aRricxon da daadginon<br />
dRevandeli mdgomareobis Sesabamisad<br />
sakompensacio Tanxa,<br />
rom umokles vadaSi SevZlo<br />
samkvidros mopoveba-meTqi. mivitane<br />
es werili, gadis garkveuli<br />
dro, 30 marts mivakiTxe da<br />
daaweres baton abramiSvils,<br />
romelmac aseTi pasuxi gamomigzavna:<br />
„kompania „jorjian manganezs”<br />
Tqvens sacxovrebelTan<br />
axlos 2007 wlis Semdeg samTo<br />
samuSaoebi ar uwarmoebia. aqedan<br />
gamomdinare, Tqveni Txovna<br />
sakompensacio Tanxis Taobaze<br />
ver dakmayofildeba”. es ar iyo<br />
pasuxi, es iyo paskvili, abramiSvilma<br />
Zalian kargad icoda,<br />
rom aq Tanxebi gacemuli hqondaT,<br />
magram mas piradi interesi<br />
aqvs.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ abramiSvils misi cudi saqcielis<br />
gamo, Tavis droze, Cemma<br />
meuRlem miuTiTa da uTxra,<br />
_ Senma materialurma mdgomareobam<br />
Segicvala imiji da qalaqisTvis<br />
araferi gaqvs gakeTebulio.<br />
es radgan xalxSi uTxra,<br />
ar apatia da saqmeebis garCeva<br />
qurdul samyaroSic ki daiwyo.<br />
es moxda 15 wlis winaT. axla am<br />
faqtebs imitom vixseneb, rom<br />
„qronika+~-s esaubreba meri<br />
gafrindaSvili:<br />
_ qalaq WiaTuraSi vcxovrobdiT,<br />
pedagogi viyavi, 2009<br />
wels WiaTuraSi Cveni bina gavyideT<br />
da sacxovreblad sofel<br />
darkveTSi gadavediT, Cemi meu-<br />
Rlis mamapapiseul saxl-karSi.<br />
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es Ria karieri kompaniisTvis<br />
gacilebiT iafia da Ria<br />
mopoveba urCevniaT. maRarodan<br />
ise ver gamoiReb wiaRiseuls, iq<br />
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ar viciT, WiaTuridan ra<br />
raodenobis ganZi gaedineba! am<br />
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`ratom ar unazRaurebs zians<br />
`jorjian manganezi~ sofel<br />
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nias aqvs aseTi Stati: mosaxleobasTan<br />
da TviTmmarTvelobas-<br />
Tan urTierTobis samsaxuri,<br />
romlis ufrosi gaxlavT levan<br />
abramiSvili. mas adridanve vicnob,<br />
magram masTan ar mivsulvar<br />
da werili davwere „jorjian<br />
manganezis” direqtoris<br />
saxelze. werilSi vwer, rom<br />
darkveTSi vflobT sacxovrebel<br />
saxls da miwis nakveTs, xexilsa<br />
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maqvs dokumenti, amonaweri sajaro<br />
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ganaxlebulma karieruli wesiT<br />
miwiszeda samuSaobma da<br />
misma transportirebam gamoiwvia<br />
ara mxolod sacxovrisis<br />
vargisianobis dazianeba, aramed<br />
sakomunikacio saSualebebis gamousadegaroba,<br />
amas Tan erTvis<br />
mZime ekologiuri mdgomareoba.<br />
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maZlevs miwis nakveTi, rac raoden<br />
saWiroa dRevandeli mZime<br />
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rodis Camoingreva saxli ar vici,<br />
erTi ki vici, rom amas Se-<br />
yvela meubneba, amis ukan pirovnuli<br />
interesi dgaso. sxvagvarad<br />
rogor SeiZleba, eqvs mezobels<br />
kompensaciebi misces, Cven<br />
yvelas xom erTi istoria gvaqvs<br />
da Cven _ ara?! amis Semdeg<br />
mivmarTe municipalitetis gamgebel<br />
zurab kupataZes. rodesac<br />
Sevxvdi, Zalian Seuracxyofilad<br />
vigrZeni Tavi! ar Sei-<br />
Zleba, rodesac moqalaqes esaubrebi,<br />
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miirTmevde da SemohqondeT alkoholiani<br />
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ijda iseTi xalxi, romlebic amas<br />
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man miTxra, _ Tu samxaraulis<br />
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daskvna gaqvs, mand sadavo ra<br />
unda iyoso? Semdeg isev mivmarTe<br />
kompania „jorjian manganezis”<br />
xelmZRvnelobas da isev<br />
vTxove komisiis gamogzavna, isic<br />
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TxevvaSi, mivmarTavdi arasamTavrobo<br />
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movawyobdi, rom Semewyvita<br />
karieris muSaoba da investorisTvis<br />
xeli SemeSala barbarosuli<br />
saqmianobis ganxorcielebaSi.<br />
amis Semdeg kupataZe<br />
mTeli Tavisi aparatiT CemTan<br />
movida. Tumca, Cemda gasakvirad,<br />
8 maiss maTgan miviRe aseTi<br />
Sinaarsis werili, rom Cemsa da<br />
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warmoadgens kerZo samarTlebriv<br />
davas da Tqveni uflebebis<br />
dacvis mizniT SegiZliaT mimarToT<br />
sasamarTloso. Semdeg<br />
mivedi parlamentis deputat<br />
sulxan maxaTaZesTan, romelic<br />
adre gamgebeli iyo. man kupataZisgan<br />
gansxvavebiT miTxra,<br />
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om werils miswerda „jorjian<br />
manganezis” generalur direqtor<br />
volodimir lozinskis.<br />
vuTxari, _ batono sulxan, ra<br />
saWiroa, rom lozinskim gadawyvitos<br />
es saqme, maqvs informacia,<br />
rom Tqven da abramiSvili<br />
Zalian kargad xarT erTmaneT-<br />
Tan, aq araferia iseTi, gTxovT,<br />
gamikeTeT masTan nivelireba, am<br />
zamTars aq ver gavCerdebi-meTqi.<br />
mainc damiwera werili lozinkisadmi.<br />
Seicvala lozinski<br />
da mis nacvlad axla aris nikoloz<br />
Ciqovani. lozinskisTan<br />
misuli werili gadaeca Ciqovans.<br />
am periodSi aseve mivmarTe<br />
„axalgazrda iuristTa asociacias”,<br />
gadaveci dokumentebi da<br />
Tavidanve vuTxari, rom sasamarTlos<br />
winaaRmdegi viyavi,<br />
radgan Cems mdgomareobaSi myofi<br />
arc erTi mezobeli sasamarTlomde<br />
ar misula da zarali<br />
ise aunazRaures. saiam administraciuli<br />
gancxadebiT mimarTa<br />
lozinskis da ukve CiqovanTan<br />
Sevida ori werili, erTi<br />
Cemi saxeliT, romelic „axalgazrda<br />
iuristTa asociaciam”<br />
Seadgina da meore deputat sulxan<br />
maxaTaZis saxeliT. es orive<br />
werili nikoloz Ciqovanma<br />
isev levan abramiSvils daawera.<br />
mainc davelode movlenebis ganviTarebas,<br />
manamde mivmarTe<br />
garemos dacvis saministros,<br />
saxalxo damcvels. saxalxo damcvelma<br />
weriliT mipasuxa, _ kargad<br />
damiwere, romelma sajaro<br />
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rom saxalxo damcveli<br />
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var da ase unda momeqcnen?! radgan<br />
es ori werili isev abramiSvils<br />
daewera, mas mivakiTxe.<br />
pasuxs ar maZlevs arc me da<br />
arc deputats. rodesac erTi<br />
ambavi avtexeT, Cemi Svilebi<br />
Camovidnen, mivediT da werilebze<br />
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rom werilebze pasuxs iTxov-<br />
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teritoriaze araferi yofila.<br />
wavedi maRaros direqtor gabriWiZesTan.<br />
abramiSvili mwers,<br />
rom me veyrdnobi werils, romliTac<br />
markSeiderma mommarTao.<br />
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Tqveni saxlidan 20 metrSi avafeTqeT,<br />
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ruka, Tu 18 metrSi<br />
unda moaxdinos dangreva an<br />
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ara mxolod 20 metrSi,<br />
aramed, 22-Si da es sagrZnoblad<br />
daemCnevao. amis Semdeg<br />
davureke daviT robaqiZes, garemos<br />
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ufross, romelmac<br />
miTxra, _ aravin mogatyuoT,<br />
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Si cxovreba ar SeiZlebao. Cemi<br />
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magram Semdeg giorgaZem mi-<br />
Txra, _ bodiSi, qalbatono meri,<br />
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isev, gaCerda karieri, movida<br />
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Ze, miTxra, rom kompaniis usafrTxoebis<br />
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iyo. meubneba, _ ratom ar mimarTavT<br />
sasamarTloso? vupasuxe,<br />
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ra aris samoqalaqo saqme, miT<br />
umetes, dRes, sasamarTlo verafers<br />
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umetes, roca Cemi problema amas<br />
ar iTvaliswinebs, rasac vi-<br />
Txov. daaxloebiT 3-4 wlis winaT<br />
daiwyo es problema. Tu abramiSvili<br />
imas ambobs, rom 2007<br />
wlis Semdeg am adgilze samuSaoebi<br />
ar gviwarmoebia, ager<br />
aris garemos dacvis daskvnameTqi.<br />
doliZem mkiTxa, _ Tqven-<br />
Tan salparakod aravin mosulao?<br />
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miTxra, _ raRac gamoikveTebao.<br />
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daukmayofilebeli? rac Seexeba<br />
imas, rom TiTqos abramiSvils<br />
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me var mariam WumburiZe, 22 wlis.<br />
wels davamTare Tbilisis saxelmwifo<br />
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gadavwyvite, rogorc xdeba,<br />
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Tumca wlebis matebasTan<br />
erTad es codna mravalferovani<br />
da yovlismomcveli gaxda, raSic<br />
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TiToeul leqtors, romlebic<br />
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pirovnuli Tvisebebis CamoyalibebaSi.<br />
sociologia _ es aris adamianebTan<br />
urTierToba, swored im<br />
kiTxvaze pasuxis gacema, Tu ratom<br />
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CemTvis maSindelidan moyolebuli<br />
didi stimuli iyo da aris axlac.<br />
stimulic da motivaciac. Zalian<br />
did mniSvnelobas vaniWeb praqtikul<br />
codnasa da gamocdilebas<br />
ara mxolod am sferoSi, aramed<br />
yvelgan. SeiZleba Teoriulad yvelaferi<br />
zedmiwevniT kargad icode,<br />
Tumca misi praqtikaSi ganxorcileba<br />
ver SeZlo. Sesabamisad, is<br />
dro CemTvis dasafasebeli, Sromatevadi<br />
da tkbilad gasaxsenebelia.<br />
TiToeuli Secdomis gamosworeba<br />
da is, Tu rogor vixvewebodi,<br />
kargad maxsovs. mgonia, rom<br />
Cemeuli silamazis aRqma maqvs, rogorc<br />
yvela sxva individualur<br />
adamians.<br />
_ ra sirTuleebi Segxvda gzad<br />
cxovrebaSi?<br />
_ albaT ar arsebobs adamiani,<br />
romelsac Tundac patara, magram<br />
rTulad gadasalaxi periodi ar<br />
hqonia. aseT dros gamovicdebiT<br />
TiToeuli Cvengani da swored sir-<br />
Tuleebi gvexmareba, dagvanaxos<br />
Cveni susti da Zlieri mxareebi,<br />
rogor SevZlebT Cveni upiratesobebis<br />
sworad warmoCenas da myarad<br />
fexze dadgomas. konkretuli<br />
araferi maxsendeba cudad, magram<br />
Cems ojaxSi bevrjer yofila materialuri<br />
problemebi, Tumca mgonia,<br />
rom didi Sromis Sedegad yvelaferi<br />
miRwevadia da swored am<br />
gziT mivdivar axlac.<br />
_ ras grZnob maSin, rodesac<br />
SenTan mosuli gogona an qalbatoni<br />
Seni namuSevriT aRfrTov-<br />
anebulia?<br />
_ es is SegrZnebaa, romlis gadmocemac<br />
sityvebiT marTla ar SemiZlia.<br />
am dros ubednieresi var,<br />
Tumca es sityva kidev ver aRwers<br />
im emociebs, romlebic erTdroulad<br />
iyrian Tavs CemSi. asmagad, aTasmagad<br />
da milionmagad bednieri,<br />
amayi, gaxarebuli vxdebi, roca vxedav,<br />
rom sxvas bednierebas da sixaruls<br />
vaniWeb. mgonia, rom cxovrebaSi<br />
arsebobs grZnobebi, romlebsac<br />
verasdros gadmoscem sityvebiT.<br />
_ ras niSnavs iyo ganaTlebiT<br />
sociologi da, amavdroulad,<br />
SegeZlos makiaJis xelovnebis<br />
SesaniSnavad floba?<br />
_ imdenad aris orive maTgani<br />
CemTvis urTierTkavSirSi, rom<br />
kargis mets arafers niSnavs. zustad<br />
adamianebTan urTierTobaa<br />
sociologiis fundamenturi sakvlevi<br />
sakiTxi da swored adamianebTan<br />
urTierTobaa CemTvis am<br />
xelovnebis flobac, amavdroulad.<br />
orive maTgani Cemi profesiaa<br />
da es CemTvis saamayoa.<br />
_ vin gifasebs yvelaze obieq-<br />
turad Sens namuSevrebs?<br />
_ yvelaze obieqturad, mainc,<br />
mgonia, rom deda mifasebs namuSevrebs,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom Cemi<br />
uaxloesi megobrebic arian Cemi<br />
mrCevlebi yvela sakiTxSi, ara mxolod<br />
Cems am saqmianobaSi. dedas<br />
azri CemTvis upirvelesi da umniSvnelovanesia.<br />
arasdros SemiZlia<br />
misi Sexedulebebis gauTvaliswinebloba,<br />
imdenad ramdenadac mgonia,<br />
rom yvelaze metad mas unda,<br />
rom viyo warmatebuli da mivaRwio<br />
bevrs im saqmeSi, rac Cems cxovrebaSi<br />
umTavresia da romlis keTebac<br />
msiamovnebs. bevrjer uTqvams,<br />
mariam WumburiZe:<br />
`ar davnebdebi<br />
da arasdros<br />
davyri far-<br />
xmals, raTa<br />
uari ar vTqva<br />
Cems ocnebebze~<br />
Tu rame Sesworebas Seitanda romelime<br />
maTganSi, magram gulwrfelad<br />
rom giTxraT, es Zalian iSviaTad<br />
xdeba, iqidan gamomdinare,<br />
rom Cveni gemovneba, xedvebi da<br />
azrebi erTmaneTs emTxveva.<br />
_ zogadad Tu xatav, an gicdia<br />
am mimarTulebiT wasvla?<br />
_ Zalian xSirad mekiTxebian, Tu<br />
vxatav da yovelTvis mecineba, sanam<br />
vupasuxeb, radgan ramdenad<br />
gasaocaric ar unda iyos, ar vxatav.<br />
rac dro gadis, mgonia, rom ar<br />
aris aucilebeli viyo mxatvari,<br />
romelic raime tiloze gadmoitans<br />
nebismier silamazes, radgan<br />
iseve rogorc misTvis, aseve CemTvisac<br />
mniSvnelovania xedva, ferebi,<br />
silamazis individualuri<br />
aRqma. adamianis saxe da am saxeze<br />
namuSevari makiaJis saxiT _ swored<br />
esaa CemTvis xelovneba da xatva.<br />
Tumca am Temaze fiqris Semdeg samomavlod<br />
vapireb sakuTari Sesa-<br />
Zleblobebis gamocdas. iqneb, arasworadac<br />
mgonia da isic mSvenivrad<br />
gamomdis.<br />
_ vin ggulSematkivrobs am<br />
saqmeSi yvelaze metad?<br />
_ sabednierod, marTla Zalian<br />
bevri gulSematkivari myavs, ase<br />
konkretulad aravis gamoyofa ar<br />
SemiZlia. yvelani midganan gverd-<br />
Si da sjeraT Cemi. ara mxolod<br />
ojaxis wevrebi, axloblebi, naTesavebi,<br />
daqalebi da a. S., aramed<br />
sruliad ucxo adamianebi, romlebic<br />
Cemi namuSevrebis naxvis Semdeg<br />
mweren, Tbil sityvebs meubnebian,<br />
mamxneveben, aRfrTovanebulebi<br />
arian Cemi SemoqmedebiT da<br />
warmatebebs misurveben. arc ki<br />
vici, ra vuTxra TiToeul maTgans<br />
udidesi madlobis, pativiscemisa<br />
da dafasebis garda. arc erTs<br />
arasdros gavucrueb imedebs da<br />
Cem mimarT ndobas.<br />
_ zogadad, ras akeTeb yvelaze<br />
didi siamovnebiT?<br />
_ mokled minda, am kiTxvaze gipasuxo:<br />
yvelaze didi siamovnebiT<br />
vakeTeb imas, risi gakeTebiTac sxvas<br />
vabedniereb!<br />
_ visTvis an risTvis ar genane-<br />
ba raime?<br />
_ Cemi ojaxis wevrebisTvis,<br />
CemTvis umniSvnelovanesi adamianisTvis,<br />
romelic gverdiT midgas.<br />
bevrjer miTqvams: isini arian adamianebi,<br />
romlebisTvisac SemiZlia,<br />
sulic gaviRo da amaze erTi wuTi-<br />
Tac ar davfiqrde.<br />
ar menaneba arc erTi wamiT is<br />
dauRalavi Sroma, romelsac CemTvis<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovani da sayvareli<br />
saqmisTvis yoveldRiurad<br />
vakeTeb.<br />
_ ra aris yvelaze mniSvnelo-<br />
vani SenTvis saqmeSi?<br />
_ CemTvis am saqmeSi yvelaze metad<br />
mniSvnelovania pasuxismgeblobis<br />
grZnoba, imedebis gamarTleba,<br />
Sroma da drois, Cemi SesaZleblobebisa<br />
da resursebis maqsimalurad<br />
sworad gamoyeneba.<br />
_ ra aris yvelaze Rirebuli<br />
adamianSi?<br />
_ yvelaze Rirebuli adamianSi<br />
aris rwmena, imedi, optimizmi, mizanswrafuloba,<br />
riTac SeZlebs<br />
nebismieri dabrkolebis gadalaxvas<br />
da sakuTari survilebisa da<br />
ocnebebis asrulebas, agreTve<br />
Sromismoyvareoba, madliereba, pasuxismgeblobis<br />
grZnoba. TiToeul<br />
maTgans Zalian vafaseb adamianSi.<br />
_ gadawyvetileba, romelic<br />
ginania?<br />
_ ramdenad gasaocaric ar unda<br />
iyos, Cems cxovrebaSi ar arsebobs<br />
aseTi gadawyvetileba. yovelTvis<br />
vcdilobdi, Cemi cxovrebis man-<br />
Zilze gadamedga nabijebi, romelic<br />
Semdgom sananebeli ar gamixdeboda.<br />
axlac ase var.<br />
_ ra gaRizianebs yvelaze<br />
metad?<br />
_ maRizianebs im saqmis keTeba,<br />
romelic ar miyvars da misi keTebisgan<br />
siamovnebas ar viReb. maRizianebs,<br />
agreTve, pasiuri cxovreba,<br />
erTi da igive da momabezrebeli<br />
cxovrebis ritmi, maRizianebs<br />
uimedoba adamianebSi, yovelTvis<br />
yvelafriT ukmayofilo xalxi,<br />
umaduroba, arakeTilganwyoba da<br />
sxva mravali, Tundac wvrilmanebi,<br />
romlebic yoveldRiur cxovreba-<br />
Si gvxvdeba.<br />
_ risTvis ar genaneba dro?<br />
_ ar menaneba dro, romelic mizanmimarTulia<br />
swavlisken, pirovnuli<br />
ganviTarebisken, progresisken,<br />
winsvlisken, Sromisken. ar<br />
menaneba dro, romelsac sxva adamianebis<br />
daxmarebaSi davxarjav. aseve<br />
ar menaneba sakuTari Tavis movlisTvis<br />
daxarjuli dro.<br />
_ Tavisufal dros ras akeTeb<br />
xolme?<br />
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_ Tavisufal dros isev da isev<br />
vuTmob im saqmianobas, romelic<br />
miyvars da romliTac axla var<br />
dakavebuli. vcdilob, maqsimalurad<br />
ganvaviTaro da ganvaaxlo sakuTari<br />
SesaZleblobebi. miyvars<br />
sakuTar Tavze muSaoba, vswavlob<br />
da viTviseb yvelafers, rac moTxovnadi,<br />
trenduli, lamazi, gemovnebiani<br />
da daxvewilia. aseve miyvars<br />
wignebis kiTxva. miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom dro TiTqmis ar maqvs,<br />
vcdilob, mainc gamovnaxo ramdenime<br />
saaTi imisTvis, rac umniSvnelovanesia<br />
TiToeuli CvenganisTvis,<br />
miiRos sulieri gantvirTva,<br />
amavdroulad, isiamovnos am yvelafriT<br />
da bevri axali ram Seimecnos.<br />
_ maqsimalisti xar?<br />
_ SemiZlia Tamamad vTqva, rom<br />
maqsimalisti var. minda, nebismieri<br />
saqme, romelsac xels movkideb,<br />
idealurad da zedmiwevniT kargad<br />
Sevasrulo. es imdenad zis CemSi,<br />
rom SeuZlebelic ki mgonia, sxvanairad<br />
gavakeTo rame. Tundac<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
beli problemebi mougvarebeli da<br />
mouwesrigebelia. visurvebdi, Ti-<br />
Toeulma Cvenganma SevZloT da<br />
gavakeToT Cveni maqsimumi, raTa is<br />
qveyana, romelic amdeni sisxlis-<br />
Rvrisa da tanjvis Semdeg Cvenamde<br />
movida, ganviTardes da misaba-<br />
Zi, samagaliTo gaxdes mTeli msofliosTvis.<br />
saxelmwifom da mis saTaveSi<br />
mdgomma pirebma ki aucileblad<br />
yvela Cveni qveynis moqalaqes<br />
xeli unda Seuwyon amaSi. maTi<br />
roli didia TiToeuli Cvenganis<br />
cxovrebaSi.<br />
_ rogor SeiZleba am proble-<br />
mis mogvareba?<br />
_ aqcenti unda gakeTdes qveyanaSi<br />
arsebul mTavar problemebze<br />
da pirvel rigSi im sferoebs miexedos,<br />
romelic dRes Zalian aqtualuri<br />
da prioritetulia. sworad<br />
unda gadanawildes dafinansebebi<br />
ama Tu im sferoze, gamoiyos Tanxebi<br />
im saqmeebze, romelTa wesrig-<br />
Si moyvanac sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania<br />
Cveni qveynis winsvlisTvis.<br />
didi Sroma da investiciebia<br />
Casadebi, raTa ganviTarebuli qveyana<br />
gverqvas da amayad vatarebdeT<br />
am saxels msoflio masStabiT.<br />
_ rodis isveneb xolme da<br />
rogor?<br />
_ Cemi gantvirTvis saSualeba<br />
aris curva, gansakuTrebiT ki zafxulSi.<br />
auzze siaruli CemTvis<br />
rogorc fizikuri, aseve sulieri<br />
vis?<br />
_ Tavisufleba CemTvis aris,<br />
viyo Cemi Tavis „ufali”. gavakeTo<br />
is, rac minda, roca minda, rac Cemi<br />
azriT sworia da rac yvelaze mTavaria,<br />
veTanxmebi im Sexedulebas,<br />
rom adamianis Tavisufleba mTavrdeba<br />
iq, sadac iwyeba sxvisi.<br />
_ cxovrebis ra etapze xar<br />
axla?<br />
_ axla im etapze var, rodesac<br />
CemiT vcdilob yvelafris cxovrebaSi<br />
dalagebas. damoukideblobas,<br />
rac umniSvnelovanesia. axla davamTavre<br />
universiteti, ukve diplomic<br />
maqvs da, ra Tqma unda, vgegmav,<br />
rom paralelurad Cemi profesiiT<br />
vimuSao.<br />
_ kuTari Tavi napovni gaqvs?<br />
_ Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva, rom<br />
sakuTari Tavi vipove da amas mas<br />
Semdeg mivxvdi, rac makiaJis xelovneba<br />
daviwye. Tumca mgonia,<br />
rom kidev araerT sxva saqmeSi vipovi<br />
sakuTar Tavs da sakuTar<br />
SesaZleblobebs gamovcdi.<br />
_ rogor ggonia, adamianebs<br />
del saqarTveloSi?<br />
_ vfiqrob, rom maqvs.<br />
_ gaqvs iseTi principi, rasac<br />
ar uRalateb arasdros?<br />
_ ar vuRalateb adamians, romelic<br />
mendoba da romelsac Cemi<br />
sjera. ar davnebdebi da arasdros<br />
davyri far-xmals, raTa ar vuRalato<br />
da uari ar vTqva Cems ocnebebze.<br />
_ rom ara is, vinc axla xar, vin<br />
iqnebodi?<br />
_ magis warmodgena ar SemiZlia.<br />
_ da mainc, vin aris mariam Wum-<br />
buriZe?<br />
_ me var gogo CemTvis damaxasiaTebeli<br />
individualuri TvisebebiT,<br />
romelic ibrZvis naTeli momavlisTvis<br />
da kargi cxovrebisTvis.<br />
arasdros ityvis Tavis ocnebebze<br />
uars da gaakeTebs maqsimums,<br />
rom miiRos yvelaferi, rac<br />
cxovrebisgan surs.<br />
_ ra aris Seni samomavlo gegma?<br />
_ samomavlo gegmebi ukavSirdeba<br />
Cems amJamindel saqmianobas,<br />
amavdroulad, Cems profesias _<br />
makiaJis gakeTebis dros yvelafers<br />
kargad vakvirdebi, ar miyvars<br />
uzustoba da Seusabamoba, vudgebi<br />
maqsimaluri pasuxismgeblobiT<br />
da milimetruli sizustiT vcdilob<br />
yvelafris gakeTebas.<br />
_ ras gaZlevs yoveli axali<br />
gaTenebuli dRe?<br />
_ yoveli axali gaTenebuli dRe<br />
aris imedi, motivacia, stimuli,<br />
rom yvelaferi bevrad ufro kargad<br />
iqneba, vidre iyo wina dRes.<br />
_ raze ocnebob?<br />
_ vocnebob gamTlianebul da<br />
ganviTarebul saqarTveloze. vocnebob,<br />
rom yvela bavSvs hqondes<br />
bednieri bavSvoba da mosiyvarule<br />
ojaxi, ar naxon omi, gaWirveba da<br />
Sav-TeTri samyaro. vocnebob, rom<br />
samyaroSi mudam iyos mSvidoba.<br />
bevr rameze vocnebob...<br />
_ vin aris misabaZi magaliTi<br />
SenTvis? ratom?<br />
_ albaT, aravis gaukvirdeba,<br />
rom iseve rogorc umetesobisTvis,<br />
CemTvisac misabaZi magaliTi<br />
dedaCemia. Znelia upasuxo kiTxvas,<br />
_ ratom? imitom, rom imdeni ram<br />
maxsendeba erTianad Tu cal-calke,<br />
albaT, fizikurad verc davwer.<br />
ubralod, is CemTvis magali-<br />
Tia, rogorc qali, rogorc deda,<br />
rogorc meuRle, rogorc Svili<br />
da ase dausruleblad. arasdros<br />
yofila pesimisturad ganwyobili<br />
cxovrebis mimarT, romelmac bevr<br />
sirTules da dabrkolebas Seajaxa.<br />
yovelTvis cdilobs ise icxovros,<br />
rom Cven es gveamayebodes<br />
da gamosdis. CemTvis is Zlieri da<br />
Semdgari qalis idealia, Cemi magaliTi<br />
da Cemi siamaye, romelic<br />
mudam Cem gverdiT dgas da is rom<br />
ara, verafers mivaRwevdi da mivaRwev<br />
cxovrebaSi.<br />
_ dRes ra problemas xedav im<br />
sferoSi, sadac moRvaweob da,<br />
zogadad, saqarTveloSi?<br />
_ ara mxolod im sferoSi,<br />
romelTanac Sexeba mqonia, aramed<br />
yvela sferoSi vxedav problemas.<br />
saqarTveloSi yvelaferi mosawesrigebeli<br />
da gardasaqmnelia. pirvel<br />
rigSi, samuSao adgilebze minda<br />
gavakeTo aqcenti. Zalian bevri<br />
perspeqtiuli da ganaTlebuli axalgazrdaa,<br />
romelTac ar aqvT sa-<br />
Tanado xelSewyoba, rom yvelafris<br />
realizeba moaxdinon, wavidnen<br />
im gziT, romelic maT ainteresebT,<br />
ar aqvT saxsrebi da saSualeba,<br />
rom ganviTardnen da amasTanave,<br />
swavla gaagrZelon, an, ubralod,<br />
swavlasTan erTad imuSaon.<br />
dRevandeli mdgomareobiT, Zalian<br />
Znelia sakuTari profesiiT<br />
dasaqmeba, es ki im resursebis<br />
SezRudvasTanaa dakavSirebuli,<br />
rac kursdamTavrebulebs aqvT. ase<br />
dausruleblad SeiZleba am problemebze<br />
saubari, guli mwydeba,<br />
rom qveyanaSi mTavari da aucile-<br />
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`saqarTveloSi yvelaferi mosawesrigebeli da<br />
gardasaqmnelia. pirvel rigSi, samuSao<br />
adgilebze minda gavakeTo aqcenti. Zalian bevri<br />
perspeqtiuli da ganaTlebuli axalgazrdaa,<br />
romelTac ar aqvT saTanado xelSewyoba, rom<br />
yvelafris realizeba moaxdinon, wavidnen im<br />
gziT, romelic maT ainteresebT, ar aqvT<br />
saxsrebi da saSualeba, rom ganviTardnen da<br />
amasTanave, swavla gaagrZelon, an, ubralod,<br />
swavlasTan erTad imuSaon~<br />
gantvirTvis saSualebaa.<br />
_ vin genatreba yvelaze metad?<br />
_ maSin, roca sadme var wasuli,<br />
yvelaze metad menatreba Cemi ojaxis<br />
wevrebi.<br />
_ ra aris SenTvis is saqme,<br />
rasac akeTeb?<br />
_ es saqme CemTvis aris xelovneba.<br />
_ ra aris Tavisufleba SenT-<br />
TavianTi misia aqvT (Tu ki, ra<br />
aris Seni misia? Tu ara, _ ratom)?<br />
_ yvela adamians aqvs Tavisi misia.<br />
TiToeulma Cvenganma rom is<br />
saqme vakeToT, rac gviyvars da<br />
raSic vipoveT sakuTari Tavi, bevrad<br />
ukeTesad vicxovrebT, ukeTesi<br />
iqneba Cveni da Cveni qveynis momavali.<br />
yvelaferi imdenad jaWvur<br />
reaqciaSi erTmaneTTan, rom es wvrilmanebi,<br />
detalebi, patara Tu<br />
didi saqmeebi, erTi didi mTlianobaa<br />
da TiToeuli Cvenganis na-<br />
Tel da progresul cxovrebas emsaxureba.<br />
_ ra aris is, risTvisac ibrZ-<br />
vi?<br />
_ vibrZvi, rom viyo misabaZi,<br />
samagaliTo, saamayo Cemi ojaxisTvis,<br />
garSemomyofebisTvis, Cemi<br />
sayvareli adamianebisTvis, sruliad<br />
ucxo xalxisTvisac ki. vibrZvi<br />
Cemi survilebis asrulebisTvis,<br />
naTel da warmatebul qveyanaSi cxovrebisTvis<br />
da Cemi miznebis ganxorcielebisTvis.<br />
_ Seni neba rom iyos, ras Secvlidi<br />
an gamoasworebdi Sens cx-<br />
ovrebaSi an qveyanaSi zogadad?<br />
_ ganaTlebis sferos mivaqcevdi<br />
pirvel rigSi did yuradRebas.<br />
es aris warmatebuli cxovrebis<br />
garanti da dabandebuli investicia,<br />
romelic aucileblad win dagvxvdeba.<br />
aviRebdi magaliTs sxva ma-<br />
RalganviTarebuli qveynebisgan,<br />
maTi cxovrebis wesisgan. es sulac<br />
ar mimaCnia saTakilod, piriqiT.<br />
_ ra aris cxovrebis azri<br />
SenTvis?<br />
_ Cemi cxovrebis azri aris Cemi<br />
miznebisTvis brZola da warmatebis<br />
miRweva.<br />
_ rogor fiqrob, gaqvs Tu ara<br />
warmatebis miRwevis Sansi dRevan-<br />
sociologias. aucileblad vapireb<br />
am sferoSi dasaqmebas da<br />
rac Seexeba makiaJis xelovnebas,<br />
ubralod, ar SemiZlia mis gareSe.<br />
es aris Cemi kargad yofnisTvis aucilebeli<br />
winapiroba. minda, ufro<br />
metma adamianma gaigos Cem Sesaxeb<br />
da bevrad met adamians mivaniWo<br />
sixaruli imiT, rasac vakeTeb.<br />
_ raze fiqrob xolme yvelaze<br />
xSirad?<br />
_ yvelaze metad vfiqrob Cems<br />
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_ visi imedi gaqvs cxovrebaSi?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi, sakuTari Tavis<br />
da Semdeg sxva yvela danarCenis,<br />
vinc Cems gverdzea.<br />
_ ras moaqvs yvelaze didi si-<br />
mSvide SenTvis da rogor ggonia,<br />
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im saqmis keTebas, rasac guliT<br />
akeTeb. asea CemTvisac da ase mgonia<br />
zogadadac.<br />
_ Sansi rom gqondes, romel<br />
qveyanasa da epoqaSi daibadebodi?<br />
_ davibadebodi isev iq da isev<br />
im dros. es ufro didi gamowvevaa<br />
CemTvis, mivaRwio warmatebas didi<br />
Sromis Sedegad iq, sadac amis<br />
ufro naklebi Sansia, vidre davbadebuliyavi<br />
sxvagan, sadac yvelaferi<br />
isedac martivad modis.<br />
_ sayvareli gamonaTqvami, ras-<br />
ac yvelaze xSirad iyeneb xolme.<br />
_ „sjobs gvian, vidre arasdros!”<br />
_ ra iqneba Seni gzavnili sa-<br />
zogadoebisTvis?<br />
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evropaSic da espaneTSic _ realis mefoba grZeldeba<br />
sezoni es esaa daiwyo, madridis<br />
`realma~ ki erTi tituli ukve moigo<br />
da Tu saswauli ar moxda, oTxSabaTs<br />
meoresac gaiformebs. 8<br />
agvitos makedoniis dedaqalaq<br />
skopieSi samefo klubma evropis<br />
superTasisTvis brZolaSi `manCester<br />
iunaiteds~ sZlia, 13-Si ki<br />
`kamp nouze~ `barselona~ daaCoqa<br />
da Tu 16-Si sapasuxo matCSi samburTiani<br />
sxvaobiT ar waago, espaneTis<br />
superTassac daepatroneba.<br />
rogorc wesi, sezonis startze<br />
TviT grandebic ki ver aCveneben<br />
Tavis saukeTeso fexburTs, magram<br />
`reali~ am mxrivac gamonaklisia.<br />
zinedin zidanis gundma, romelic<br />
gasul sezonSi evropaSi yvela metoqeze<br />
mTeli TaviT maRla idga da<br />
sruliad damsaxurebulad, zedized<br />
meored moigo CempionTa liga,<br />
Joze mourinios `manCesters~<br />
namdvili safexburTo masterklasi<br />
Cautara. madridelebi udides<br />
upiratesobas flobdnen da evropa<br />
ligis mflobelebs, ubralod,<br />
Zalian gaumarTlaT, rom tabloze<br />
maTTvis katastrofuli angariSi<br />
ar dafiqsirda.<br />
xuTi dRis Semdeg `reals~ ukve<br />
yvelaze principul metoqesTan<br />
hmarTebTa Tavisi Zlevamosilebis<br />
damtkiceba da zidanis biWebma<br />
am amocanasac aranakleb<br />
STambeWdavad gaarTves<br />
Tavi.<br />
kriStianu ronaldum,<br />
romelic<br />
`maniusTan~ matCSi mxolod simbolurad<br />
Sevida moedanze, `kamp<br />
nouze~ mTavari roli Seasrula.<br />
angariSi 1:1 iyo, roca Secvlaze<br />
Sesulma msoflios saukeTeso fexburTelma<br />
`barsas~ karSi brwyinvale<br />
goli gaitana, Tavisianebi 2:1<br />
daawinaura da didwilad gansazRvra<br />
espaneTis superTasis<br />
mflobelis bedi. am epizodSi man<br />
maisuris gaxdisTvis gafrTxileba<br />
miiRo, sul male ki metoqis sajarimoSi<br />
waqceva arbitrma simulaciad<br />
Seufasa da meore yviTeli<br />
baraTi aufriala.<br />
manamde iyo pikes avtogoli<br />
da penalti, romliTac<br />
maspinZlebma, kerZod<br />
ki lionel mesim, angariSi gaa-<br />
Tanabra.<br />
aTkacian `realTan~, mesisa da<br />
kompanias, wesiT, angariSis gaTanabrebis<br />
Sansi unda gazrdodaT,<br />
magram piriqiT moxda – madridelTa<br />
morigi kontrSeteva Secvlaze<br />
Sesuli marko asensios aranakleb<br />
didebuli goliT dasrulda.<br />
`reali~ da sxvebi – aseTia ZalTa<br />
balansi dRevandel msoflio fexburTSi...<br />
evropis superTasi<br />
reali (espaneTi) – manCester<br />
iunaitedi (inglisi) 2:1<br />
8 agvisto. skopie, `telekom<br />
arena~. 30 000 mayurebeli<br />
reali: navasi, karvaxali, varani,<br />
ramosi, marselo, modriCi, kazemiro,<br />
kroosi, isko (vaskesi 74),<br />
benzema (ronaldu 83), beili (asensio<br />
74)<br />
mwvrTneli: zinedin zidani<br />
manCester iunaitedi: de xea,<br />
lindelofi, smolingi, darmiani,<br />
valensia, erera (felaini 56), mati-<br />
Ci, pogba, lingardi (reSfordi 46),<br />
mxiTariani, lukaku<br />
mwvrTneli: Joze mourinio<br />
golebi: 1:0 kazemiro (24), 2:0<br />
isko (52), 2:1 lukaku (62)<br />
arbitri: janluka roki (italia)<br />
espaneTis superTasi.<br />
pirveli matCi<br />
barselona – reali 1:3<br />
13 agvisto. barselona. `kamp<br />
nou~. 90 000 mayurebeli<br />
barselona: ter Stegeni, aleiS<br />
vidali, pike, umtiti, alba, busketsi,<br />
iniesta (serxi roberto 68),<br />
rakitiCi (alkaseri 83), deulofeu<br />
(d. suaresi 59), mesi, l. suaresi.<br />
mwvrTneli: ernesto valverde<br />
reali navasi, karvaxali, varani,<br />
ramosi, marselo, kasemiro, kovaCiCi<br />
(asensio 68), kroosi, isko, beili<br />
(vaskesi 81), benzema (ronaldu 58).<br />
mwvrTneli: zinedin zidani<br />
golebi: 0:1 pike (50 s.k.), 1:1 mesi<br />
(77 pen.), 1:2 ronaldu (80), 1:3 asensio<br />
(90)<br />
gaZeveba: ronaldu (82)<br />
msaji: rikardo bengoeCea<br />
38<br />
gverdi moamzada<br />
levan janezaSvilma<br />
santiagodan Cempioni da<br />
priziorebi dagvibrundnen<br />
Ciles dedaqalaq santiagoSi msoflios Wabuk ZiudoistTa<br />
Cempionati dasrulda, sadac ramdenime<br />
qarTvelma did warmatebas miaRwia.<br />
luka kapanaZem (55 kg) Cempionatis pirvel saSejibro<br />
dRes vercxlis medali moipova. kapanaZem sul<br />
xuTi orTabrZola gamarTa da mxolod finalSi damarcxda,<br />
sadac 2017 wlis evropis axalgazrduli<br />
olimpiuri festivalis gamarjvebulTan da kadetebs<br />
Soris evropis CempionTan, Turq mihraC aquSTan daTmo<br />
Sexvedra.<br />
finalur orTabrZolamde luka kapanaZem dominikis<br />
respublikis warmomadgeneli antferne pepini 41<br />
wamSi iponiT daamarcxa, Semdeg ki zedized sami Sexvedra<br />
„oqros droSi~ moigo, rodesac yazax iermek<br />
amangeldis, iaponel sumi hitoioSis da rus abrek<br />
naguCevs ajoba da finalSi gavida.<br />
73 kilogram woniT kategoriaSi msoflios Cempionis<br />
tituli moipova laSa beqaurma, romelmac finalur<br />
SexvedraSi iaponeli nakahaSi daiki iponiT<br />
daamarcxa da evropis Cempionatze gamarjvebis Semdeg<br />
oqros medals msoflios Cempionatzec daeufla.<br />
finalamde laSam oTxi orTabrZola moigo: sawyis<br />
etapze man ungreli nerpen gergei da brazilieli<br />
marselo santosi daamarcxa, meoTxedfinalSi rus<br />
armen agaians sZlia, naxevarfinalSi ki polonel adam<br />
stodolskis ajoba.<br />
saqarTvelos nakrebis wevrebidan 11 agvistos medlis<br />
mopoveba gogonaTa Soris mariam Wanturiamac (63<br />
kg) SeZlo da saqarTvelos gunds brinjaos medali<br />
Sehmata.<br />
2017 wlis evropis axalgazrduli olimpiuri festivalis<br />
Cempionma mariam Wanturiam santiagos tatamze<br />
mxolod erTi Sexvedra, meoTxedfinali daTmo<br />
da isic momaval Cempion, iaponel iuki aianosTan, medlisaken<br />
mimaval gzaze ki man Ciles, aSS-s, kolumbiisa<br />
da CrdiloeT koreis warmomadgenlebi daamarcxa.<br />
Cempionatis individualuri programis daskvniT<br />
saSejibro dRes, 12 agvistos, msoflios vice-Cempioni<br />
+70 kgilogram woniT kategoriaSi sofio somxiSvili<br />
gaxda.<br />
qarTvelma Ziudoistma santiagoSi oTxi Sexvedra<br />
gamarTa. finalamde man poloneli, brazilieli da<br />
tuniseli mowinaaRmdegeebi daamarcxa, finaluri<br />
Sexvedra ki damatebiT droSi xorvat elena vukoviCTan<br />
daTmo.<br />
aRsaniSnavia, rom 17 wlis sofio somxiSvili wels<br />
evropis axalgazrduli olimpiuri festivalis, diori<br />
2017-is gamarjvebuli da aseve WabukTa Soris<br />
evropis Cempioni gaxda.<br />
msoflios Cempionati sanakrebo SejibrebiT dasrulda,<br />
sadac saqarTvelos nakrebi brinjaos priziori<br />
gaxda.<br />
Ziudos istoriaSi pirvelad, biWebisa da gogonebis<br />
gaerTianebuli gundebiT gamarTul Cempionatze,<br />
saqarTvelos nakrebma brinjaos medlebisTvis brZolaSi<br />
germaniis gundi 4:3 daamarcxa.<br />
saqarTvelos nakrebis Ziudoistebma mervedfinalSi<br />
italias 6:2 sZlies, meoTxedfinalSi urTulesi<br />
Sexvedra mouges iaponias 4:4 (32:25 qulebiT), rodesac<br />
0:3 CamorCenis Semdeg SeZles wonasworobis aRdgena<br />
da gamarjveba, naxevarfinaluri dapirispireba<br />
ki momaval Cempion, ruseTis nakrebTan 2:6 daTmes.<br />
gundur SejibrSi saqarTvelos nakrebma aseTi SemadgenlobiT<br />
iaspareza: luka kapanaZe, mixeil baxbaxaSvili,<br />
vladimer axalkaci, aleqsi svianiZe, levan<br />
WeliZe, ekaterine tatunaSvili, mariam Wanturia,<br />
sofio somxiSvili.<br />
gunduri Cempionatis finalSi, ruseTis nakrebma<br />
brazilia 5:3 daamarcxa, brinjaos medlebi ki, saqar-<br />
TvelosTan erTad, iaponiis nakrebmac moipova, iaponelebma<br />
saprizo adgilisTvis SexvedraSi uzbekeTs<br />
8:0 sZlies.<br />
jamSi, saqarTvelos Ziudos WabukTa nakrebma msoflios<br />
Cempionatze gamosvla 1 oqros, 2 vercxlisa<br />
da 2 brinjaos medliT daasrula. gundur Cempionat-<br />
Si monawileoba jamSi 18-ma nakrebma miiRo, individualur<br />
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428 sportsmeni ibrZoda.<br />
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Tbilisis meriis Tasis gaTa-<br />
maSebaSi amjerad mxolod orma<br />
gundma miiRo monawileoba –<br />
prizisTvis erTmaneTs ebrZod-<br />
nen saqarTvelosa da CexeTis<br />
sakalaTburTo nakrebebi. gamar-<br />
jvebulis vinaoba ormatCian<br />
duelSi unda gamovleniliyo.<br />
pirveli Sexvedra saqarTvel-<br />
os nakrebma damajereblad, 87:76<br />
moigo. evropis Cempionatiswina<br />
mosamzadebel periodSi pirveli<br />
sanakrebo matCi Caatara Cvenma<br />
kapitanma zaza faCuliam, rome-<br />
lmac ormagi dubli gaiforma<br />
(14 qula, 11 moxsna, 8 pasi). mat-<br />
Cis yvelaze Sedegiani moTamaSe<br />
ki Tornike Sengelia iyo, romelmac<br />
22 qula, 7 moxsna da 4 ga-<br />
dacema Seasrula.<br />
pirveli matCisgan gansxvavebiT,<br />
meore SexvedraSi gamarjveba<br />
ufro gagviWirda. saqarTvelom<br />
mZimed, magram mainc moaxerxa<br />
mogeba (68:64) da mosamzadebel<br />
ciklSi 6 matCidan 5 gamarjveba<br />
aqvs. CexeTTan meore matCSic<br />
yvelaze Sedegiani Senge-<br />
lia iyo 17 quliT.<br />
es gaxldaT mimdinare cikl-<br />
Si Cveni nakrebis bolo matCi saqarTveloSi.<br />
ilias zurosis gundi<br />
22 agvistos saberZneTSi gaemgzavreba,<br />
sadac warmomadgenlobiT,<br />
„akropolisis Tasis“ ga-<br />
TamaSebaSi miiRebs monawileobas<br />
da Semdeg, pirdapir evrobask-<br />
etze gaemgzavreba - israelSi.<br />
namatCevs priziori CexeTis<br />
nakrebi, aseve gamarjvebuli saq-<br />
arTvelo Tbilisis merma, daviT<br />
narmaniam, kalaTburTis federaciis<br />
prezidentma mixeil gabriCiZem<br />
da parlamentis spor-<br />
tisa da axalgazrdul saqmeTa<br />
komitetis xelmZRvanelma, mix-<br />
eil yavelaSvilma daajildoves.<br />
fiba-s froeqt ‘trofi tur-<br />
is~ farglebSi evrobasket 2017-<br />
is Tasi saqarTveloSi ukve meored<br />
(pirvelad SarSanwin, evrob-<br />
asketis dawyebamde gaxldaT)<br />
imyofeba. matCis dawyebs win<br />
evropis saCempiono Tasi sportis<br />
sasaxleSi Sekrebil sazoga-<br />
doebas warudgines.<br />
evrobasketis TasTan erTad<br />
saqarTveloSi imyofeba turni-<br />
ris oficialuri Tilisma ‘sem<br />
danki~. gulSematkivrebs samaxsovro<br />
fotoebis gadaReba TasT-<br />
an da evrobasketis TilismasTan<br />
sportis sasaxlis media-oTaxSi<br />
SeeZloT.<br />
nikolai semaSkos saxelobis<br />
evroTasi, romelic evropis CempionisTvisaa<br />
gankuTvnili, fiba-<br />
s programis farglebSi yvela im<br />
qveyanaSi mogzaurobs, romlebic<br />
evrobasket 2017-Si monawi-<br />
leoben.<br />
gverdi moamzada<br />
levan janezaSvilma<br />
8 agvistos TbilisSi msoflios<br />
19-wlamdel xelburTel vaJTa<br />
msoflios Cempionati daiwyo.<br />
dedaqalaqis axal sportis sasax-<br />
leSi matCebi erTdroulad or<br />
darbazSi mimdinareobs da mayurebeli<br />
sakmaod sanaxaobriv Tama-<br />
Sebs adevnebs Tvals. erTi egaa,<br />
imis miuxedavad, rom Cempionatze<br />
daswreba ufasoa, gulSematkivar-<br />
Ta raodenoba didi ar aris. amis<br />
erT-erTi mizezi isaa, rom agvisto<br />
dgas da qalaqi xalxisgan daclilia.<br />
CvenTvis yvelaze sainte-<br />
reso, ra Tqma unda, saqarTvelos<br />
nakrebis gamosvlaa. bolo turis<br />
win beqa orjonikiZis gunds erTi<br />
gamarjveba da sami marcxi hqonda<br />
aqtivSi da CilesTan matCs unda<br />
gadaewyvita, gavagrZelebdiT Tu<br />
ara brZolas mervedfinalSi. rac<br />
Seexeba oTx sawyis Sexvedras, al-<br />
Jirs pirvel turSi oTxburTiani<br />
sxvaobiT vZlieT, ris Semdegac<br />
iaponiasTan, islandiasa da ger-<br />
maniasTan uSansod davmarcxdiT.<br />
A jgufi<br />
safrangeTi, dania, SvedeTi, bahreini, egvipte,<br />
norvegia<br />
frangebs metoqeebze erTi TaviT Zlieri<br />
gundi hyavT da naadrevad gainaRdes ara mxolod<br />
mervedfinalSi gasvla, aramed jguf-<br />
Si pirvelobac. egvipte da daniac plei ofSi<br />
arian, mervedfinalis bolo sagzuris mopovebis<br />
Sanss ki guSindeli saRamosTvis norvegia,<br />
SvedeTi da bahreini inarCunebdnen.<br />
B jgufi<br />
germania, islandia, saqarTvelo, Cile, iaponia,<br />
alJiri<br />
islandia da germania Tavidanve iyvnen Cveni<br />
jgufis gamokveTili favoritebi. maTi<br />
dramatuli urTierTSexvedra islandielTa<br />
erTburTiani gamarjvebiT dasrulda da eqvseulSi<br />
pirvelobac maT darCaT. maTTan er-<br />
Tad, mervedfinalSia iaponiac, bolo sapleifo<br />
sagzuri ki saqarTvelo-alJiri-Ciles<br />
trioSi gaTamaSda.<br />
C jgufi<br />
xorvatia, argentina, brazilia, portugalia,<br />
poloneTi, s. korea<br />
brazilia da argentina fexburTSi arian<br />
mrisxane saxelebi, Tbilisur msoflios CempionatSi<br />
ki jgufis autsaiderebad mogvevlinen.<br />
portugalia, samxreT korea, xorvatia, poloneTi<br />
– aseTi TanmimdevrobiT iyvnen bolo<br />
turis win ganlagebulebi momavali mervedfinalistebi.<br />
D jgufi<br />
slovenia, espaneTi, serbeTi, tunisi, ruse-<br />
Ti, meqsika<br />
espaneTma yvela matCi soliduri sxvaobiT<br />
moigo, meqsika ki mxolod jgufis ki ara, albaT,<br />
mTlianad Cempionatis usustesi gundi<br />
aRmoCnda. espaneTTan erTad plei ofSi tunisi,<br />
slovenia da ruseTi gavidnen.<br />
saqarTvelos nakrebis gafarToebul SemadgenlobaSi<br />
Sedian: sandro xandoliSvili<br />
(qariSxala), giorgi xaraiSvili (imedi, Telavi),<br />
giorgi vaTiaSvili (gori), xazein rustamovi<br />
(quTaisi), irakli kbilaSvili (quTaisi),<br />
giorgi dolmazaSvili (imedi, Telavi), zurab<br />
gogava (pegasi), gigi feraZe (qariSxala), zezva<br />
iobaSvili (imedi, Telavi), giga bainaziSvili,<br />
daviT yoriauli (imedi, Telavi), giorgi<br />
cxovrebaZe (pegasi), giorgi tieliZe (gori),<br />
luka bulbulaSvili (qariSxala), nikoloz<br />
bajalaZe (foTi), daviT niazaSvili (gori), giorgi<br />
miqava (imedi Telavi), erekle arsenaSvili<br />
(qariSxala), giorgi lapiaSvili (pegasi)<br />
mTavari mwvrTneli: beqa orjonikiZe<br />
mwvrTneli: andrei portnoi (ukraina)<br />
mekareebis mwvrTneli: amiran komaxiZe<br />
eqimi: jumber yaryaraSvili<br />
gundis ufrosi: vaxtang meifariani<br />
8 agvisto<br />
safrangeTi-bahreini 42:20<br />
dania-egvipte 28:28<br />
islandia-iaponia 26:24<br />
germania-Cile 39:22<br />
saqarTvelo-alJiri 28:24<br />
SvedeTi-norvegia 23:20<br />
xorvatia-portugalia 30:30<br />
argentina-poloneTi 22:26<br />
serbeTi-meqsika 29:18<br />
slovenia-tunisi 26:29<br />
espaneTi-ruseTi 32:20<br />
brazilia-s. korea 33:35<br />
9 agvisto<br />
Cile-islandia 22:27<br />
iaponia-saqarTvelo 30:22<br />
alJiri-germania 19:37<br />
tunisi-espaneTi 24:27<br />
meqsika-slovenia 19:32<br />
ruseTi-serbeTi 29:24<br />
10 agvisto<br />
bahreini-dania 35:31<br />
portugalia-argentina 30:28<br />
norvegia-safrangeTi 28:34<br />
s. korea-xorvatia 33:31<br />
egvipte-SvedeTi 26:24<br />
poloneTi-brazilia 29:25<br />
11 agvisto<br />
germania-iaponia 34:18<br />
Cile-alJiri 32:33<br />
bahreini-norvegia 23:39<br />
safrangeTi-egvipte 36:29<br />
dania-SvedeTi 29:26<br />
islandia-saqarTvelo 42:25<br />
slovenia-ruseTi 26:21<br />
espaneTi-serbeTi 29:28<br />
tunisi-meqsika 37:19<br />
xorvatia-poloneTi 33:28<br />
argentina-brazilia 17:22<br />
portugalia-s. korea 33:24<br />
12 agvisto<br />
islandia-alJiri 37:27<br />
saqarTvelo-germania 25:41<br />
iaponia-Cile 35:27<br />
espaneTi-meqsika 33:18<br />
serbeTi-slovenia 23:36<br />
ruseTi-tunisi 30:31<br />
13 agvisto<br />
dania-norvegia 33:20<br />
argentina-s. korea 27:44<br />
SvedeTi-safrangeTi 21:29<br />
brazilia-xorvatia 24:40<br />
egvipte-bahreini 37:25<br />
poloneTi-portugalia 22:24<br />
14 agvisto<br />
iaponia-alJiri 29:21<br />
germania-islandia 27:28<br />
safrangeTi-dania 35:26<br />
ruseTi-meqsika 32:14<br />
serbeTi-tunisi 27:37<br />
slovenia-espaneTi 22:30<br />
norvegia-egvipte 22:30<br />
saqarTvelo-Cile 24:29<br />
poloneTi-s. korea 28:38<br />
brazilia-portugalia 27:26<br />
SvedeTi-bahreini 28:20<br />
xorvatia-argentina 31:19<br />
15 agvisto: dasvenebis dRe<br />
16 agvisto: mervedfinali da prezidentis<br />
Tasi 17-24 adgilebisTvis<br />
17 agvisto: meoTxedfinali da matCebi 9-24<br />
adgilebisTvis<br />
18 agvisto: dasvenebis dRe<br />
19 agvisto: naxevarfinali, 1-4, 5-8 adgilebi.<br />
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afiSa<br />
valeriani da aTasi<br />
planetis qalaqi 3D<br />
amirani<br />
darbazi 1 18:30 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 1 21:15 13-14 l.<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
darbazi 3 16:15 10-11 l.<br />
IMAX 17:00 19 l.<br />
darbazi 3 GEO 19:15 13-14 l.<br />
IMAX 19:45 19 l.<br />
darbazi 4 OV 21:45 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 3 22:15 13-14 l.<br />
IMAX 22:30 19 l.<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
darbazi 5 GEO 13:30 9-10 l.<br />
darbazi 1 16:15 10-11 l.<br />
darbazi 5 OV 19:00 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 1 19:15 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 1 GEO 22:15 13-14 l.<br />
rusTaveli<br />
darbazi 1 GEO 16:30 10-11 l.<br />
darbazi 1 GEO 19:30 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 3 OV 19:30 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 5 22:30 13-14 l.<br />
anabelis wyevla:<br />
dasawyisi<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
darbazi 6 14:45 9-10 l.<br />
darbazi 2 16:30 10-11 l.<br />
darbazi 2 19:15 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 2 22:00 13-14 l.<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
darbazi 3 16:50 10-11 l.<br />
darbazi 2 19:30 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 2 21:55 13-14 l.<br />
rusTaveli<br />
darbazi 5 17:30 11-12 l.<br />
darbazi 5 20:00 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 1 22:30 13-14 l.<br />
12.<br />
tyulis<br />
anto-<br />
nimi<br />
18.<br />
ebraeli<br />
sasulie-<br />
ro piri<br />
31.<br />
danayili<br />
wiwaka<br />
33. mc.<br />
alko-<br />
holiani<br />
sasmeli<br />
35. lit.<br />
nawar-<br />
moebis<br />
Sesavali<br />
36.<br />
sanele-<br />
beli<br />
19. samx.<br />
afrikis<br />
udidesi<br />
qalaqi<br />
21.zRa-<br />
pruli<br />
grneuli<br />
qali<br />
28.<br />
abelis<br />
Zma<br />
29.<br />
vulkani<br />
sicil-<br />
iaze<br />
1.<br />
mnaTobi<br />
2.amerik.<br />
gamom-<br />
gone-<br />
beli<br />
4.siyvar.<br />
RmerTi<br />
romaul<br />
miTol.<br />
7.qar-<br />
Tuli<br />
erovnuli<br />
valuta<br />
13.<br />
Sinauri<br />
cxo-<br />
veli<br />
16.nar-<br />
narad,<br />
mdored<br />
frena<br />
20.lurji<br />
saRebavi<br />
nivTie-<br />
reba<br />
22.<br />
arabune-<br />
brivi<br />
movlena<br />
25.<br />
qveyana<br />
evro-<br />
paSi<br />
32.r.ina-<br />
niSvilis<br />
moTx-<br />
roba<br />
34.<br />
bibluri<br />
perso-<br />
naJi<br />
37.<br />
qalaqi<br />
Sida<br />
qarTlSi<br />
23.gax-<br />
eTqili,<br />
Rrma<br />
nabzari<br />
30.gamo-<br />
sakiTxi<br />
fur-<br />
celi<br />
26.<br />
ist.mxare<br />
saqarT-<br />
veloSi<br />
5.<br />
sulis<br />
xuTva<br />
9.<br />
qveyana<br />
aziaSi<br />
6.sabe-<br />
diswero,<br />
sasikv-<br />
dilo<br />
10.Zvirfasbe-<br />
wviani<br />
cxoveli<br />
3.sazo-<br />
gadeobis<br />
rCeuli<br />
nawili<br />
8.sacxo-<br />
vrebeli<br />
nageboba<br />
14.spilen-<br />
15.<br />
Zis an<br />
dRiuri<br />
aluminis<br />
naxnavi<br />
sadeni<br />
11.<br />
cxove-<br />
lis<br />
fexi<br />
17.usasy-<br />
idlod<br />
daxmareba<br />
vinmeze<br />
24.<br />
qimiuri<br />
ele-<br />
menti<br />
27.mkv-<br />
dari<br />
cxovelis<br />
sxeuli<br />
afiSa<br />
bneli koSki<br />
amirani<br />
darbazi 3 16:45 10-11 l.<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
darbazi 7 OV 16:30 10-11 l.<br />
darbazi 6 17:15 11-12 l.<br />
darbazi 8 20:00 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 8 22:30 13-14 l.<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
darbazi 4 17:00 10-11 l.<br />
darbazi 3 19:15 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 2 21:45 13-14 l.<br />
rusTaveli<br />
darbazi 2 17:00 11-12 l.<br />
darbazi 2 20:00 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 4 22:00 13-14 l.<br />
1 aSS dolari<br />
2.3895<br />
1 evro<br />
2.8191<br />
1 girvanqa sterlingi<br />
3.0997<br />
1 Sveicaruli franki<br />
2.4665<br />
100 rusuli rubli<br />
3.9964<br />
wina nomris<br />
skanvordis pasuxebi:<br />
pirveli suraTi - vaxtang gorgasli;<br />
meore suraTi - daviT aRmaSenebli; 1.<br />
do; 2. daTvi; 3. krivi; 4. abeli; 5.<br />
vegetarianeli; 6. religia; 7. mSenebeli;<br />
8. aia; 9. go; 10. apogea; 11. partia; 12.<br />
otia; 13. vermaxti; 14. marTlmadidebeli;<br />
15. laxti; 16. iza; 17. ermitaJi; 18.<br />
xumroba; 19. enisei; 20. ludi; 21. ali; 22.<br />
Tora; 23. cudi; 24. audi; 25. norma; 26.<br />
anZa; 27. yriloba; 28. mdelo; 29. iori;<br />
30. coli; 31. goli; 32. kii; 33. lordi;<br />
34. ieli; 35. opali; 36. oda; 37. paqti;<br />
38. aloe; 39. iodi.<br />
amindi<br />
samSabaTi<br />
oTxSabaTi<br />
xuTSabaTi<br />
paraskevi<br />
SabaTi<br />
kvira<br />
orSabaTi<br />
Tbilisi<br />
32-35 0<br />
29-33 0<br />
26-30 0<br />
31-33 0<br />
30-33 0<br />
31-34 0<br />
30-32 0<br />
quTaisi<br />
28-30 0<br />
33-35 0<br />
31-33 0<br />
30-32 0<br />
28-30 0<br />
33-36 0<br />
34-36 0<br />
baTumi<br />
28-31 0<br />
29-33 0<br />
30-32 0<br />
31-32 0<br />
29-33 0<br />
30-32 0<br />
31-33 0<br />
zugdidi<br />
29-32 0<br />
32-35 0<br />
33-36 0<br />
30-33 0<br />
28-30 0<br />
34-37 0<br />
35-38 0<br />
gori<br />
28-30 0<br />
29-31 0<br />
24-27 0<br />
28-30 0<br />
29-31 0<br />
27-30 0<br />
30-32 0<br />
Telavi<br />
31-33 0<br />
30-32 0<br />
23-26 0<br />
29-31 0<br />
31-33 0<br />
30-32 0<br />
29-31 0<br />
foTi<br />
29-31 0<br />
31-34 0<br />
32-35 0<br />
29-32 0<br />
30-34 0<br />
29-32 0<br />
30-33 0<br />
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redaqtori nana TvalabeiSvili (592 73 73 90)<br />
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rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06<br />
mamulaSvili gela 599 45 50 26<br />
berulava laSa 599 89 07 42<br />
SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50<br />
mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55<br />
tabaRua nino 568 82 58 35<br />
janezaSvili levan 593 18 77 10<br />
vaSaymaZe xviCa 599 22 82 89<br />
baSaruli mariam 555 80 00 88<br />
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