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hesebis winaaRmdeg<br />
ma, gadacxrila iqauroba da rom<br />
daixvetnen, erTmaneTs ver aswrebdnen.<br />
es biWi cixeSi wavida, gaubedurda.<br />
kargad gamigeT, me ar veTanxmebi<br />
mis qmedebebs, magram ar<br />
SemiZlia ar Sevide mis mdgomareobaSi.<br />
xelis gadagrexis principiT<br />
Semodian, ZaRladac ar gagdeben,<br />
arc gekiTxebian arafers, ise ake-<br />
Teben Sens teritoriaze, rasac<br />
undaT. mwvervalebze damokles<br />
maxviliviT kideben datboril wyals,<br />
kaSxals da mtrisas, erTi Tu<br />
gaskda, wamoiRebs mTel Wubers da<br />
mTel dasavleT saqarTvelos Caitans<br />
TurqeTSi. exveweboda es biWi,<br />
dagvanebeT Tavi, ar memeteba me<br />
Cemi winaprebis saflavi gasawirado.<br />
aravin mousmina! veravis vagebinebT,<br />
rom Cven am bunebasTan<br />
varT Sezrdili da CvenTvis yvela<br />
borcvi Seufasebelia. modian egre,<br />
_ gerevi da ase unda vqnao. gadaries<br />
is biWi, mivida da isroda haerSi,<br />
daiWires, gaubedurda kaci.<br />
codo araa? namdvilad ar veTanxmebi,<br />
kidev vimeoreb, mis qmedebebs,<br />
danaSaulia aSkarad, magram rom migyavar<br />
am danaSaulamde, eg araa<br />
danaSauli?<br />
_ xelisufleba ras geubnebaT?<br />
_ ras gveubneba da rom Zalian<br />
kargi iqneba, gveqneba energetika,<br />
dasaqmeba. ra dasaqmeba esaa? hesis<br />
mSenebloba, ha-ha, yvelaze didi,<br />
ori weliwadi gagrZeldes, 2 weliwadis<br />
mere? am dasaqmebaze unda<br />
gayido kuTxe? TviTon Caideben<br />
milionebs jibeSi, TviTon da maT-<br />
Tan erTad vinc arian.<br />
_ vin aris am yvelafriT dain-<br />
teresebuli, visi interesebi<br />
ikveTeba?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi, energetikis<br />
ministri rom iyo kaxa kalaZe, misi<br />
interesebiT daiwyo. kalaZe vis<br />
interessac axmovanebs, Cemze ukeTesad<br />
mogexsenebaT _ yvelaferi<br />
SuSis sasaxlidan modis da es interesebi<br />
mere nawildeba qvemoT:<br />
ministrebi, parlamentarebi, gamgeblebi...<br />
oRond deputats roca vambob,<br />
saerTod ar vgulisxmob dRevandel<br />
maJoritar enuqiZes, eg arafer<br />
SuaSia, is Sirmaa. arCevnebis<br />
dros rom gavige misi gvari da saxeli,<br />
imis meti arc gamigia, arc minaxavs<br />
imitom, rom erTi dRe, wuTi<br />
ar dainteresebula mestiis av-kargiT.<br />
_ anu es ori hesi, „mestiaWalahesi”<br />
da „nenskrahesi”, uqmnis sa-<br />
frTxes regions?<br />
_ am hesebis garda kidec 58 hesis<br />
mSeneblobaa dagegmili, aqedan<br />
7-8 hesi kaSxluri iqneba, danarCeni<br />
_ mcire da derivaciuli hesebi.<br />
ager gaCvenebT rukas, romelic<br />
Tavidan gasaidumloebuli hqondaT,<br />
es aris svaneTis datborvis,<br />
daqcevis gegma! yvela es hesi rom<br />
aSendes, gekiTxebiT, ra darCeba svaneTidan?<br />
Waobi? uSbaze unda avZvreT<br />
sacxovreblad? am ori hesis<br />
(„mestiaWalahesi” da „nenskrahesi”)<br />
mSeneblobas rom amxela winaaRmdegoba<br />
ar mohyoloda, am zafxuls<br />
erT sams kidev daiwyebdnen. mihyvebodnen<br />
nel-nela, imitom rom Savi<br />
fuli gasaTeTrebelia, mosaswrebia,<br />
axali teqnologiebi gviswrebs<br />
da aRar gaxdeba es eleqtrosadgurebi<br />
saWiro.<br />
nargiz niguriani:<br />
_ amgvari proeqtebis ganxorcielebas<br />
win unda uZRodes xangr-<br />
Zlivi kvlevebi. specialistebma:<br />
`mxolod aT dReSi, mxolod mestiaSi<br />
turizmidan sami milioni Semovida, es maSin<br />
roca, igive `mestiaWalahesi~ erT weliwadSi<br />
milion-naxevari laris Caricxvas hpirdeba<br />
biujets. gekiTxebiT, aT dReSi 3 milioni metia<br />
Tu weliwadSi milion-naxevari? turizmis<br />
ganviTarebas avtomaturad mosdevs<br />
infrastruqturis ganviTareba da asec xdeba<br />
mestiaSi, imitom rom turizmi ekonomikurad<br />
aZlierebs mosaxleobas. mosaxleoba TviTon<br />
qmnis samuSao adgilebs, cdilobs, Camosuli<br />
stumrebisTvis gulmisavali gaxados Tundac<br />
quCa, Semogareni, kafe, restorani, sastumro.<br />
magram svaneTSi am kafeebisa da restornebis<br />
gamo xom aravin Camodis? Camodian unikaluri,<br />
veluri bunebis, kulturuli memkvidreobis<br />
sanaxavad da Tu amas gamiCanageb, vinRa Camova?~<br />
geologebma, seismologebma, zoologebma,<br />
botanikosebma da a. S.<br />
detalurad unda Seiswavlon am<br />
proeqtis yvela dadebiTi da uaryofiTi<br />
mxare da es yvelaferi unda<br />
aisaxos garemoze zemoqmedebis Sefasebis<br />
angariSSi.<br />
_ gaCvenaT vinem es dokumenti?<br />
_ gvifriales, magram swored<br />
„arCevanSi” gamoCnda, rom realurad<br />
aravis araferi Seswavlili ar<br />
aqvs. rogorc „mwvane alternativis”<br />
warmomadgenelma, daTo WipaSvilma<br />
ganacxada, aseTi mniSvnelovani<br />
dokumenti, garemoze zemoqmedebis<br />
Sefasebis angariSi, keTdeba<br />
simbolurad, nebarTvis mosapovebdlad.<br />
gairkva, rom kompania,<br />
„gama konsaltingi”, romelic amgvar<br />
angariSebs amzadebs, realurad<br />
arafersac ar swavlobs da Tavisi<br />
sxva, Zveli angariSebidan „kopipeistiT”<br />
gadmoaqvs Sefasebebi, mTeli<br />
Tavebic ki. kuriozebamdec ki<br />
mivida saqme: „xeledula 3 hesis”<br />
garemoze zemoqmedebis Sefasebis<br />
angariSis daskvniT nawilSi saer-<br />
Tod sxva heszea saubari _ „dolora<br />
3 hesze”. mdinare dolora be-<br />
CoSia, zemo svaneTSi, is hesi ki qvemo<br />
svaneTSi Sendeba. „mestiaWalahesze”<br />
pirdapir uweriaT, rom<br />
Tevzsavalis fskerisTvis qvebi<br />
mopovebuli iqneba mdinare rionis<br />
kalapotidan. gesmiT, mdinare enguris<br />
magier rioni uweriaT!<br />
_ gindaT TqvaT, rom iseTi he-<br />
sis garemoze zemoqmedebis Sefa-<br />
sebis angariSidan gadmoweres es<br />
yvelaferi, sadac axlos rionia,<br />
gaeparaT da ver Caanacvles engu-<br />
riT?<br />
_ diax, me saerTod mgonia, rom<br />
araTu Tavis mier momzadebuli<br />
sxva angariSebidan akopireben am<br />
yvelafers, aramed, saerTod, komunisturi<br />
makulaturidan. sabWoTa<br />
N11 (232) 3.04-16.04.2018 w.<br />
periodSi araerTi aseTi proeqti<br />
hqondaT mzad, maTTvis es proeqtebi<br />
xelmisawvdomi gaxda, iqidan iweren<br />
am yvelafers da, realurad,<br />
aravin swavlobs, ra zians moutans<br />
es hesebi floras, faunas, adamians.<br />
araferi Seswavlila. kargiT,<br />
amaT gaeparaT es Secdomebi, magram<br />
saministroSi aravin kiTxulobs?<br />
rogorc WipaSvilma ganacxada, „gama<br />
konsaltingis” angariSebs ar ki-<br />
Txulobs arc investori da am kompanias<br />
saqme ise aqvs dayenebuli,<br />
rom maT angariSebs arc garemos<br />
dacvis saministroSi kiTxulobs<br />
vinme, imaTac „kopifeistiT” gadaaqvT<br />
yvelaferi. amas mowmobs garemos<br />
dacvis saministros mier gacemuli<br />
ekologiuri eqspertizis<br />
daskvnebi, sadac igive Secdomebia.<br />
dagvZaxian, rom Cven ar gvinda araferi,<br />
anu Cven varT bnelebi, ar<br />
gvinda qveynis ganviTareba, ar gvinda<br />
hesebi da a. S. diax, hesebi mar-<br />
Tlac ar gvinda, imdenad, ramdenadac<br />
dRes ukve axal teqnologiebzea<br />
saubari, warmatebiT iyeneben<br />
mzis, qaris energias, alternatiul<br />
wyaroebs. esec rom ara, rodesac<br />
SemiZlia, rom Cemi kuTxe turizmiT<br />
iyos momgebiani da ganvi-<br />
Tardes, rad minda Seni hesi, romelic<br />
zians momitans ekologiurad?<br />
miviRo Semosavali am hesidan<br />
da kiTxvis niSnis qveS davayeno<br />
winaprebis saflavebi, mosaxleobis<br />
janmrTeloba, unikaluri<br />
buneba?<br />
mxolod aT dReSi, mxolod mestiaSi<br />
turizmidan sami milioni<br />
Semovida, es maSin roca, igive „mestiaWalahesi”<br />
erT weliwadSi milion-naxevari<br />
laris Caricxvas hpirdeba<br />
biujets. gekiTxebiT, aT dRe-<br />
Si 3 milioni metia Tu weliwadSi<br />
milion-naxevari? turizmis ganvi-<br />
Tarebas avtomaturad mosdevs infrastruqturis<br />
ganviTareba da<br />
asec xdeba mestiaSi, imitom rom<br />
turizmi ekonomikurad aZlierebs<br />
mosaxleobas. mosaxleoba TviTon<br />
qmnis samuSao adgilebs, cdilobs,<br />
Camosuli stumrebisTvis gulmisavali<br />
gaxados Tundac quCa, Semogareni,<br />
kafe, restorani, sastumro.<br />
magram svaneTSi am kafeebisa da restornebis<br />
gamo xom aravin Camodis?<br />
Camodian unikaluri, veluri<br />
bunebis, kulturuli memkvidreobis<br />
sanaxavad da Tu amas gamiCanageb,<br />
vinRa Camova?<br />
magda guledani:<br />
_ gveubnebian, rom bolo 5 weliwadSi<br />
3 miliardi kvt.sT.-iT gazrdila<br />
eleqtroenergiis moxmareba<br />
da es zrda turizms gamouwvevia,<br />
Turme, amitom yofila saWiro<br />
amdeni hesis mSenebloba. ki batono,<br />
aaSenon maSin es hesebi, magram Tu<br />
im bunebas, floras, faunas, kulturul<br />
memkvidreobas gagvinadgureben,<br />
ris sanaxavadac turisti<br />
modis, gekiTxebiT, is turisti ris<br />
sanaxavad mova? milebSi momwyvdeuli<br />
wylis? is eleqtroenergia ra-<br />
Rad damWirdeba, iqneba eg turistuli<br />
nakadi? turizmsac rom Tavi<br />
davaneboT, CrdiloeT sasazRvro<br />
zolSi, ruseTTan sasazRvro zol-<br />
Si 58 hesis mSenebloba strategiulad<br />
momgebiania? piriqiT _ mosaxleoba<br />
unda Caasaxlo da ara is,<br />
rom am hesebis mSeneblobam svane-<br />
Tisa da sasazRvro zolis dacla<br />
gamoiwvios. svaneTSi amdeni hesis<br />
aSeneba strategiulad momgebiani<br />
iqneba ruseTisTvis da ara saqarTvelosTvis.<br />
nargiz niguriani:<br />
_ saqarTvelos teritoriis didi<br />
nawili isedac okupirebulia da<br />
nawili wyalSi unda CavZiroT?<br />
manana saRliani:<br />
_ am hesebis mSenebloba safrTxes<br />
uqmnis kulturul memkvidreobas:<br />
svanur koSkebs, maCubebs, eklesiebs,<br />
gamoiwvevs Rvarcofebs,<br />
myinvarebis intensiur dnobas, ra<br />
unda gaakeTos meti? agvistoSi kidev<br />
rom gagrZelebuliyo wvimebi,<br />
naxevar mestias anakliaSi amoayofinebda<br />
Tavs. am hesebis mSenebloba<br />
safrTxes uqmnis ekosistemas,<br />
gamoiwvevs klimatis Secvlas. „engurhesis”<br />
amoqmedebis Semdeg ise<br />
Seicvala klimati, rom nayofi xeebze<br />
lpeba, vidre mosakrefad vargisi<br />
gaxdeba. manamde mTeli weli,<br />
meore mosavlamde Zlebda Sin Senaxuli<br />
vaSli, axla rasac movkrefT,<br />
Tveze mets veRar Zlebs, danarCeni<br />
ki zed xezeve lpeba. rogorc<br />
specialistebi amboben, ara marto<br />
klimati Seicvala, „engurheisis”<br />
Semdeg regionSi seismurobam moimata.<br />
nargiz niguriani:<br />
_ „engurhesis” Taoba varT Cven<br />
da yvelas momspari gvaqvs janmrTeloba,<br />
dagvengra Zvalsaxsrovani<br />
sistema, Cveulebriv movlenad<br />
iqca asTma, revmatizmi, dagviavadda<br />
gul-sisxlZarRvTa sistema, imata<br />
onkologiurma daavadebebma. baton<br />
adilar CarTolansa da omar<br />
Wkaduas mTeli statistika aqvT,<br />
ra iyo manamde da ra aris axla.<br />
adilar CarTolani, Tavis droze,<br />
„xudonhesis” aSenebis momxre iyo,<br />
dRes hesebis mSeneblobis kategoriuli<br />
winaaRmdegia, imitom rom<br />
wlebi gavida, mis xelSi gamoiara<br />
araerTma pacientma da naxa, ra<br />
Sedegic moitana „engurhesma”. akvirdeba<br />
tendencias, TviTon gaakeTa<br />
statistika da imdenad SemaSfoTebeli<br />
Sedegi miiRo, rom axla joxiT<br />
dasdevs yvelas, vinc ityvis,<br />
rom hesi unda aSendes. xmasac ar<br />
aRebinebs, ise yris Sexvedrebidan.<br />
manana saRliani:<br />
_ Tu es hesebi aSenda, svaneTSi<br />
cxovreba gausaZlisi gaxdeba da es<br />
gamoiwvevs svaneTis daclas, saqarTvelos<br />
am umSvenieresi kuTxis<br />
gaCanagebas, daWaobebasa da gaveranebas.<br />
mosaxleoba kategoriuli<br />
winaaRmdegi varT, magram ZaRli<br />
yefs, qaravani midis. mainc gaiZaxian,<br />
rom unda avaSenoTo, qveyanas<br />
sWirdebao, magram aravin gveubneba,<br />
ramdeni sWirdeba qveyanas da<br />
risTvis sWirdeba, bitkoinebisTvis<br />
sWirdebaT, albaT.<br />
Tavisi miznebis misaRwevad mosaxleobis<br />
dapirispirebasac ar<br />
eridebian. sofel WuberSi, sadac<br />
axla „nenskrahesi” Sendeba, mosaxleoba<br />
Suaze gaxliCes, erTmaneTs<br />
daapirispires _ hesis aSenebis momxreebi<br />
da mowinaaRmdegeebi. momxreebi<br />
rogor SeiZines? viRac daasaqmes,<br />
viRac moisyides, viRacas<br />
miwaSi cota meti gadauxades. im<br />
maimunma miwa rom gaiyida, jipi iyida<br />
da axla im jipidan zemodan<br />
uyurebs hesis aSenebis mowinaaRmdegeebs.<br />
vai, imas, vinc winaparTa<br />
miwas jipSi cvlis! axla igives mestiaSi<br />
akeTeben, _ mestiis gamgeobis<br />
TanamSromlebi, mestiis meri<br />
umaRles doneze muSaoben mag mimarTulebiT,<br />
xalxs socialuri<br />
daxmarebis moxsniT, samsaxurebidan<br />
gamoyriT emuqrebian, Tu saprotesto<br />
aqciebSi gamovlen. xelisuflebis<br />
warmomadgenlebi, parlamentis<br />
wevrebi, romlebsac mestiasTan<br />
Sexeba aqvT, Camodian, aqvT<br />
Rame voiaJebi, saCqurebi miaqvT<br />
ojaxebSi, rom aqciebze ar gamovidnen,<br />
ar moaweron xeli peticiaze.<br />
pirdapir eubnebian, rom mowinaaRmdegeebis<br />
jgufi unda davtovoT<br />
marto da mere maT specrazmi aiyvans<br />
erTad da cixeSi CavalpobTo.<br />
magda guledani:<br />
_ yvela mSvidobiani aqciis<br />
dros amohyavT SeiaraRebuli specrazmis<br />
jgufebi da situacia ukve<br />
imdenad iZabeba, rom, bolos da<br />
bolos, umarTavi gaxdeba es yvelaferi,<br />
damcirebulad vgrZnobT<br />
Tavs. imis magivrad, rom marTla<br />
gaiazron, marTla dasxdnen, movidnen<br />
salaparakod da Cveni gulis<br />
tkivili moisminon, specdaniSnulebis<br />
razmebi SemohyavT.<br />
_ gamoricxavT imgvar inciden-<br />
tebs, rac moxda „nenskrahesze”?<br />
gamoricxavT, rom Setakebamde mi-<br />
vides saqme?<br />
manana saRliani:<br />
_ ras ambobT, rogor gamovricxavT?<br />
gvarliani ki ara, lamis, me<br />
movkido xeli iaraRs! roca ase<br />
Zaladoben da ZalmomreobiT modian,<br />
unda gausworde! Tu me mexeba<br />
pirovnulad, ukan davixev da ar<br />
waval amgvar radikalur nabijebze,<br />
magram rodesac saqme exeba<br />
Cems samSoblos, romlis jariskacic<br />
var, mevaleba da unda davicva!<br />
gagrZeleba merve gv.<br />
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