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294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com `gaxaria, WikaiZisgan gansxvavebiT, strasburgSi adamianis ufleba- nene injgia Ta evropulma sasamarTlom „rus- nika 591 71 39 98 Tavi 2-is” saqmeze gadawyvetileba 18 ivliss gamoacxada. strasburgis sasamarTlos gancxadebiT, „rusTavi 2-Tan” mimarTebiT adamianis uflebaTa evropuli konvenciis arc erTi muxli ar dar- Rveula, maT Soris, arc samarTliani sasamarTlos ufleba. amasTanave, strasburgis sasamarTlom gaauqma saqarTvelos uzenaesi sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis aRsrulebis SemaCerebe- li meqanizmi. kerZod, 2017 wlis 2 marts saqarTvelos uzenaesi sasamarTlos didma palatam telekompania „rusTavi 2" qibar xal- vaSs miakuTvna. imave wlis 3 marts ki, „rusTav 2-is” mimarTvis safuZvelze, strasburgis sasamarTlom uzenaesi sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis aRsruleba SeaCera. swored am aRsrulebis Se- Cereba gaauqma strasburgis sasamarTlom. strasburgis sasamarTlos aRni niSnul gadawyvetilebas azrTa sxvadasxvaoba moyva. ramdenad sa- marTliani iyo evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetileba? iyo Tu ara xelisuflebis interesebSi qibar xalvaSisTvis telekompaniis dabruneba da ra safrTxeebs Seuqmnis qveyanas „rusTavi 2-is” arsebuli saredaqcio politikis cvlileba? am da sxva mniSvnelovan Teme- bze „qronika+” politolog nika CitaZes esaubra: _ batono nika, strasburgis sasa samarTlos gadawyvetilebas „rusTavi 2-Tan” dakavSirebiT gan- sxvavebuli Sefasebebi moyva. mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebi acxadeben, rom es iyo sa- marTliani gadawyvetileba, riTac dadasturda, rom saqarTveloSi sasamarTlo samarTlo miukerZoebelia, opoziciis garkveuli nawilidan ki acxadeben, rom ivaniSvilma strasburgis sasamarTlos mosyidvac ki SeZlo, ras fiqrobT aRniSnul gadawyvetilebaze? _ Cemi azriT, strasburgis sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba, ra Tqma unda, yovlad usamarTlo iyo. am SemTxvevaSi aRsaniSnavia is faqti, rom 7 mosamarTlidan 4 iyo postsabWoTa qveynebidan, 1 ki germaniidan. Cven viciT, rom germania, tradiciulad, ruseTis mokavSirea, dResac ki, roca ganixileba gazsadeni „CrdiloeT nakadi 2-is” ganxorcielebis sakiTxi. garda amisa, garkveul safuZvlian eWvs badebs xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebis gancxadebebi, saidanac Canda, rom TiTqos maT winaswar icodnen, Tu ra gadawyvetilebas miiRebda evropis sabWos sasamarTlo. biZina ivaniSvilma ramdenime dRiT adre ganacxada: ra gadawyvetilebac ar unda miiRos strasburgis sasamarTlom, me mis gadawyvetilebas pativs vcemo. gasagebia, rom man, garkveulwilad, aRniSnuli gadawyvetilebis Sesaxeb winaswar icoda. amasTanave, aucilebelia gavixsenoT ruseTis saxelmwifo dumis deputat sergei lavrovis gancxadebebi „rusTavi 2-Tan” dakavSirebiT, _ is acxadebda: SevisyidoT „rusTavi 2" da a. S., anu TviTon ruseTic iyo dainteresebuli arxis daxurviT, yovel SemTxvevaSi, maTTvis mTavaria, am arxis gadacemebis Sinaarsi Seicvalos, maT Soris, sainformacio gadacemebis. es aris erT-erTi mTavari faqtori, amitomac mgonia, rom xSirad saqarTvelos winaSe Tavad evropelebi, dasavleTi codavs. rac Seexeba evropis sabWos, erT-erT magaliTs moviyvan: 1994-1996 wlebSi ruseTma CeCeni xalxis genocidi ganaxorciela, 1996 wels, omis damTavrebis Semdeg ki, ruseTi evropis sab- WoSi miiRes. an Tundac gavixsenoT is faqti, rom ruseTi saqarTvelos Sida saqmeebSi, afxazeTis konfliqtSi Caeria da afxazeTSi eTnikuri wmenda moawyo, miuxedavad amisa, ruseTi didi rvianis wevri gaxda. evropis saparlamento asambleam 2001 wels ruseTs aRudgina xmis micemis ufleba, manamde CeCneTSi mimdinare movlenebi dagmo da viTom formalurad Seuwyvita xmis micemis ufleba, Tumca mainc aRudgina. gavixsenoT, sxva korumpirebuli organizaciebi, igive saerTaSoriso olimpiuri komiteti, im qmedebebis miuxedavad, rac ruseTma CeCneTisa da saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg ganaxorciela, ruseTs neba darTes, rom 2014 wels zam- Tris olimpiada Caetarebina. ruse- Tis mxridan saqarTveloze ganxorcielebuli 2008 wlis agresiis Semdeg, „fifam” miiRo gadawyvetileba, ruseTSi Catarebuliyo msoflio Cempionati. bevri aseTi faqtoria, romlis mixedviTac Segvi- Zlia vTqvaT, rom, samwuxarod, dasavleTic ar aris idealuri da xSirad Tvals xuWavs ruseTis ukanono qmedebaze an pirdapir aris CarTuli am procesebSi imitom, rom Cven viciT, evropaSi Zalian bevri saxelmwifo Cinovniki iyideba. amis erT-erTi magaliTia germaniis yofili federaluri kancleri gerhard Srioderi, romelic „gazpromis” aqcioneria da romelmac ramdenjerme antiqarTuli gancxadebac gaakeTa. magaliTad, man putins wminda wylis demokrati uwoda. rac Seexeba evropis sabWos sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebas, maT 2 weli hqondaT imisTvis, rom Sesabamisi gadawyvetileba mieRoT, aqedan gamomdinare, meti dro iyo imisTvis, rom am gadawyvetilebaSi Careuliyvnen, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, es gadawyvetileba absoluturad absurdulia. is adamianebi, romlebic ukanono gadawyvetilebas iReben, unda amxilon. _ am pirobebSi, rodesac dasav- leTisken da dasavluri Rirebulebebisken miviswrafiT, ramdenad sworia imis mtkiceba, rom strasburgis sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba ukanono iyo, rom sasamarT- lo moisyides? azaralebs Tu ara es saxelmwifo interesebs? _ Cemi azriT, msgavsi gancxadebebi saxelmwifo interesebs ar azaralebs imitom, rom am SemTxvevaSi ar aris saubari imaze, rom mTlianobaSi evropa, amerika da dasavleTi cudia. ubralod, Cven vsaubrobT garkveul naklovanebebze, romelic am SemTxvevaSi arsebobs. pirvel rigSi, Cven Cveni erovnuli interesebi unda davicvaT. rodesac sxvadasxva saerTa- Soriso konferenciaSi vmonawileobdi, evropeli eqspertisgan movismine, rom isini Cven gvadana- Saulebdnen omis dawyebaSi. me Sevxvdi rogorc oficialur pirebs, aseve politologebs; evropis sab- WoSi 2006 wels msgavsi magaliTi mqonda, roca ruseTs icavdnen evropeli politologebi Tu oficialuri pirebi. ubralod, am Temas Zalian ar CavuRrmavdebi. erTi ram cxadia: Cven unda davicvaT saqarTvelos pozicia. Tu Cveni nika CitaZe: `dasavleTi saqarTvelos winaSe codavs~ mokavSiris qmedeba arasworia, ra Tqma unda, esec unda vamxiloT. piradad ase mimaCnia sworad. Cven ar vambobT, rom mTlianad evropaa korumpirebuli, Cven vambobT, rom rig SemTxvevaSi is evropac ar aris marTali. magaliTad, arian vaipolitikosebi da vaipolitologebi, romlebic saqarTvelos adana- Sauleben omis dawyebaSi. msgavs gancxadebebs aucilebelia Sesabamisi pasuxebi gaeces. Cveni erovnuli Rirseba da interesebi unda davicvaT, es aris realoba. ar mgonia, aman Cveni qveynis interesi daazianos, piriqiT, am SemTxvevaSi evropas mivuTiTebT, rom evropis sabWos konkretulma mosamarTleebma xeli Seuwyves saqarTveloSi Tavisufali azris CaxSobas, _ es aucileblad unda iTqvas. _ Tqven axseneT, rom evropis sabWos konkretulma mosamarTleebma xeli Seuwyves saqarTvelo- Si Tavisufali azris CaxSobas, `dRevandeli sasamarTlos pirobebSi mimaCnia, rom oqruaSvils sasamarTlo procesis mogeba gauWirdeba. qibar xalvaSis advokatma da ukve "rusTavi 2-is" direqtorma paata saliam ganacxada, rom dokumenti, romelic irakli oqruaSvilma warmoadgina yalbiao, aqedan gamomdinare, am sasamarTlos pirobebSi rTulia, xelisuflebasTan daaxloebul adamianebs mougo procesi. am SemTxvevaSi gamosavali ufro xelisuflebis cvlileba mgonia~ Tumca mmarTveli gundidan vis- menT, rom es ar aris sityvis Tav- isuflebis SezRudvis mcdeloba, rom es iyo or subieqts Soris dava. konkretulad sad dainaxeT xelisuflebisa da uSualod biZ- ina ivaniSvilis interesi, rom „rusTavi 2" qibar xalvaSs daubr- undeboda? _ amis magaliTad SeiZleba gavixsenoT ivaniSvilis gancxadeba, rodesac man Tqva: Tu „rusTavi 2- s” gamorTavT, Zalian karg qveyana- Si vcxovrobTo. Turme ivaniSvili Tavisi araformaluri mmarTvelobiT da „qarTuli ocneba” warmatebiT marTavs qveyanas, politikurekonomikuri, samarTlebrivi, Tu sxvadasxva TvalsazrisiT, magram Turme „rusTavi 2" avrcelebs sxvadasxva tyuilsa da Wors. ivaniSvilisve TqmiT, TiTqos swored „rusTavi 2" awvdis saqarTvelos mosaxleobas cru informacias. aseve aRsaniSnavia isic, rom qibar xalvaSis da, fati xalvaSi, saqar- Tvelos parlamentSi swored „qarTuli ocnebidan” aris warmodgenili. Tqvenc amCnevT, rom is „xSirad gamodis” sakanonmdeblo iniciativebiT. aseve paralelurad Cven yovelTvis vismendiT mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebisgan „rus- Tavi 2-is” winaaRmdeg gakeTebul gancxadebebs. am kuTxiT paraleli rom gavavloT, ruseTis federaciasTan, rodesac amxanagi putini xelisuflebis saTaveSi movida, pirveli, rac gaakeTa, Secvala ÍÒÂ-s saredaqcio politika, Sesabamisad, dRes ÍÒÂ ruseTis xelisuflebis mTavari propagandistuli arxia. CvenTanac xelisuflebis mizani swored es aris, rom „rusTavi 2" maTi propagandistuli arxi gaxdes. aseve minda aRvniSno, rom iusticiis ministr Tea wulukians preskonferenciaze wamoscda, rom saxelmwifom „rusTavi 2-s” mougo davao, TiTqos is saqarTvelos uzenaes sasamarTlos gulisxmobda, magram uzenaesSi kerZo subieqtis gamarjvebiT damTavrda. ra da rogor gaimarjva, es kidev sxva sakiTxia. am yvelafers emateba, Tu rogor pozicias ikavebdnen „rusTavi 20 20 N25 (286) 23.07-5.08.2019 w.
2-is” saqmeze qarTveli mosamarTleebi, magaliTad, mosamarTle urTmeliZe, romelic saubrobda, rom deda ojaxis wevri ar aris da a. S., aseve iyo SemTxvevebi, roca saapelacio sasamarTlos mosamarTlis Zmas saxli gadauformes da sxva, amitomac zustad aq Canda xelisuflebis Careva am procesSi. strasburgis sasamarTlom daadgina, rom qarTveli mosamarTleebis mxridan TiTqos mikerZoebuloba ar yofila, anu strasburgis mosamarTleebi iziareben, magaliTad, urTmeliZis gancxadebas, rom deda naTesavi ar aris. es maTi gadasawyvetia da aqedan gamomdinare, maT kompetenturobaSi eWvi mepareba. _ faqtia, rom „rusTavi 2-is” mflobeli ukve qibar xalvaSia da kompanias axali direqtori, paata salia hyavs. ra safrTxeebs xedavT am yvelaferSi? _ Cven viciT, rogor muSaobs xelisuflebis propagandistuli media, magaliTad, telekompania „imedi” an Tundac gazeTi „asavaldasavali”, „pirveli arxi”, romelic sazogadoebrivi televiziaa, magram, realurad, vxedavT, rom ar aris sazogadoebrivi da xelisuflebis interesebs emsaxureba. am pirobebSi, roca „rusTavi 2-s” axali mflobeli da direqtori hyavs, xelisuflebas gauadvildeba gaaZlieros agitacia-propaganda imis Sesaxeb, Tu ra karg qveyanaSi vcxovrobT da „nacionaluri moZraobis” mmarTvelobis dros rogori sisxliani reJimi iyo. Sesabamisad, aqedan gamomdinare, demokratias saqarTveloSi problemebi Seeqmneba imitom, rom bevr rames, rasac xelisufleba sCadioda, swored „rusTavi 2" amxelda. magaliTad, korcxelis incidenti da aseve bevri sxva SemTxveva, roca „rusTavi 2" xelisuflebas amxelda da movlenebs obieqturad aSuqebda. axla ukve „rusTavi 2-s” xelisufleba propagandis saSualebad gamoiyenebs. _ „rusTavi 2-is” mflobeloba- ze pretenzia axla ukve irakli oqruaSvilsac aqvs, romelic acx- adebs, rom qibar xalvaSma mas gad- auforma televizia. misi TqmiT, amis damadasturebeli dokument- ebic aqvs. irakli oqruaSvili imasac ac ambobs, rom „rusTavi 2-is” dabrunebis SemTxvevaSi is kompa- niis 80%-s 10 wamyvan Jurnalists miscems, aqedan gamomdinare, Sei- Zleba Tu ara, irakli oqruaSvilis faqtorma arsebiTad Secvalos mocemuloba? misi saxiT Cn- deba Tu ara imis albaToba, rom „rusTavi 2" arsebuli saxiT Se- narCundes? _ eWvi mepareba, radgan dRevandeli sasamarTlos pirobebSi mimaCnia, rom oqruaSvils sasamarTlo procesis mogeba gauWirdeba. qibar xalvaSis advokatma da ukve „rusTavi 2-is” direqtorma paata saliam ganacxada, rom dokumenti, romelic irakli oqruaSvilma warmoadgina yalbiao, aqedan gamomdinare, am sasamarTlos pirobebSi rTulia, xelisuflebasTan daaxloebul adamianebs mougo procesi. am SemTxvevaSi gamosavali ufro xelisuflebis cvlileba mgonia. _ am procesebis paralelurad, N25 (286) 23.07-5.08.2019 w. 294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com Zlieri figuraa~ vils `Cveni erovnuli Rirseba da interesebi unda davicvaT, es aris realoba. ar mgonia, aman Cveni qveynis interesi daazianos, piriqiT, am SemTxvevaSi evropas mivuTiTebT, rom evropis sabWos konkretulma mosamarTleebma xeli Seuwyves saqarTveloSi Tavisufali azris CaxSobas, - es aucileblad unda iTqvas~ ukve erT Tveze metia, rac rus- Tavelis gamzirze Ss ministr gio- rgi gaxarias gadadgomas iTxoven. rogor fiqrobT, am aqciebma dakarga Tu ara saprotesto muxti da ramdenad realuria is, rom gaxaria Tanamdebobidan gadadges? _ zafxuli mkvdari sezonia, Sesabamisad, vfiqrob, rom es saproteso muxti ufro seqtembridan ganaxldeba. seqtemberi-oqtomberi politikurad ufro aqtiuri Tvea, Sesabamisad, mgonia, rom am period- Si saprotesto muxti meti iqneba. temperatura mkveTrad moimatebs saparlamento arCevnebis win. rac Seexeba gaxarias gadadgomis sakiTxs, vfiqrob, „qarTulma ocnebam” es sakiTxi droebiT gadaitana. _ ivaniSvilma gaxarias gadadgomasTan dakavSirebiT ganacxada, rom es iqneboda samSoblos Ralati. ratom ver Tmobs araformaluri mmarTveli Zalovan ministrs? _ „qarTuli ocnebis” reitingi ecema, aqedan gamomdinare, ivaniS- gaxaria, rogorc Zlieri figura, sWirdeba. gaxaria, WikaiZisgan gansxvavebiT, Zlieri figuraa. amave dros, is aris cudi, Tumca Zlieri namdviladaa. _ am saprotesto aqciebis mTa- var monapovrad proporciul sistemaze gadasvla miiCneva. ukve cnobilia, rom 2020 wels bunebrivi barieriT unda Catardes arCevnebi. rogor fiqrobT, bunebrivi barieri aris Tu ara ivaniS- vilis morigi triuki da SeZlebs Tu ara „qarTuli ocneba” amis saTavisod gamoyenebas? _ am SemTxvevaSi erT-erTi mTavari problema swored is aris, rom saqarTvelos konstituciaSi, jerjerobiT, aranairi cvlileba parlamentis arCevisa da misi formirebis wesTan dakavSirebiT, Sesuli ar aris. jerjerobT, konstituciaSi weria, rom parlamentis 77 wevri proporciuli wesiT airCeva, xolo 73 _ maJoritaruli wesiT. imisTvis, rom saqarTvelos konstituciaSi cvlileba Sevides, saWiroa parlamentis 2/3-is mxardaWera, aqedan gamomdinare, ivaniSvilis gancxadeba arasakmarisia. Semdgom SesaZloa, „qarTulma ocnebam” ganacxados, rom deputatebma am cvlilebas mxari ar dau- Wires, Cven demokratiuli xelisufleba varT da verc erT parlamentars ver davaZalebT xmis micemaso. amitomac SesaZlebelia, ver moxdes proporciulze gadasvla, swored amisTvisaa brZola saWiro. piradad mgonia, rom Semodgomidan mTavari politikuri bataliebi rusTavelis gamziridan parlamentSi gadainacvlebs. saWiroa cvlilebebis Setana saqarTvelos konstituciaSi, jer es cvlilebebi ar Sesula. _ sanam ivaniSvili proporciul sistemaze gadasvlasTan dakavSirebiT gancxadebas gaa- keTebda, opozicia erTsulovnad iTxovda saarCevno sistemis Secvlas da amasTan dakavSirebiT xe- lmowerebic ki Seagroves, Tumca mas Semdeg, rac „qarTuli ocneba” am „daTmobaze” wavida, opoziciis mxridan, maT Soris, „nacionaluri moZraobidan”, mainc ukmayofilo da kritikuli gancxadebebi movismineT. aqedan gamomdinare, ramdenad mzad aris opozicia, rom am cvlilebebis warmate- biT ganxorcielebaSi saTanado nabijebi gadadgas? _ unda aRiniSnos, rom arsebul Sereul saarCevno sistemas nebismier SemTxvevaSi sjobs proporciuli sistema, Tundac igive nulovani ganakveTiT. saqme is aris, rom opozicia ukmayofiloa, radgan isini konkretuli barieris dawesebas iTxoven. Tu barieri ar dawesda, dabalreitingul partiebs sa- Sualeba eqnebaT, TavianTi deputatebi gaiyvanon da SemdgomSi isini gaurigdnen „qarTul ocnebas” `xazaraZe iqneba ivaniSvilis radikaluri opozicia, radgan mas konfliqti mouvida ivaniSvilTan, SesaZloa, amis gamo is ivaniSvilis seriozuli opozicia iyos, miT umetes, mas seriozuli finansuri resursebi aqvs, magram arsebobs meore variantic: Cven vnaxeT, rom ivaniSvilma loialuri damokidebuleba daafiqsira xazaraZis mimarT, amitomac SesaZloa, ivaniSvils, garkveulwilad, awyobdes xazaraZis politikaSi Semosvla, radganac misi partia SedarebiT loialuri iqneba `qarTuli ocnebis" mimarT, vidre `nacionaluri moZraoba~ da am gziT „qarTulma ocnebam” saparlamento umravlesobis Seqmna moaxerxos. 5%-iani barieris arsebobis SemTxvevaSi ki „qarTul ocnebasa” da biZina ivaniSvils potenciuri mokavSireebi Camoscildeba. _ ukve daiwyes saubari koaliciur mTavrobaze, amasTan dakav- SirebiT premier-ministrmac gaa- keTa gancxadeba. rogorc Cans, mmarTvel gundSic ganixilaven am sakiTxs. rogor fiqrobT, ramdenad efeqtiani iqneba koaliciuri mTavroba Cveni qveynis pirobebSi? _ Tu 2020 wels koaliciuri mTavroba Seiqmneba, es saqarTveloSi koaliciuri mTavrobis pirveli precedenti iqneba. es yvelaferi ki damokidebulia im politikur Zalebze, romelic xelisuflebaSi aRmoCndeba, anu es damokidebulia imaze, Tu ramden procents miiRebs arCevnebSi „qarTuli ocneba”, „nacionaluri moZraoba” da sxva Zalebi. saerTo jamSi, koaliciuri mTavroba mxolod mTavrobis saqmianobas ar gulisxmobs, es imis maCvenebelia, rom xelisuflebaSi erT romelime politikur partias ar ukavia monopoliuri mdgomareoba, rac demokratiisTvis, ra Tqma unda, kargi iqneba. am SemTxvevaSi problema SeiZleba iyos is, rom „qarTulma ocnebam” yvelaferi ikadros. CvenTan, samwuxarod, bevri amomrCeveli iyideba, riTac xels uwyobs „qarTul ocnebas” Zalauflebis damkvidrebaSi. Sesabamisad, Zalian bevri iqneba imaze damokidebuli, Tu ramdenad demokratiulad Catardeba arCevnebi. _ 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebisTvis axali moTamaSeebi Cndebian politikur velze. mamu- ka xazaraZem samoqalaqo moZraob- is Seqmna daaanonsa, garkveuli na- wili fiqrobs, rom xaZaraZe swored is mesame Zala iqneba, rome- lzedac ukve didi xania, vsaubrobT. rogor fiqrobT, ra politikuri perspeqtivebi eqneba mas? _ am SemTxvevaSi arsebobs ori versia. pirveli: xazaraZe iqneba ivaniSvilis radikaluri opozicia, radgan mas konfliqti mouvida ivaniSvilTan, SesaZloa, amis gamo is ivaniSvilis seriozuli opozicia iyos, miT umetes, mas seriozuli finansuri resursebi aqvs, magram arsebobs meore variantic: Cven vnaxeT, rom ivaniSvilma loialuri damokidebuleba daafiqsira xazaraZis mimarT, amitomac Sesa- Zloa, ivaniSvils, garkveulwilad, awyobdes xazaraZis politikaSi Semosvla, radganac misi partia SedarebiT loialuri iqneba „qarTuli ocnebis” mimarT, vidre „nacionaluri moZraoba”. aqedan gamomdinare, aseTi opozicia ivaniSvils SesaZloa, ufro dasWirdes. ivaniSvili fiqrobs, rom TiTqos xazaraZe masTan valSia, radgan is ar daapatimres finansuri darRvevebis gamo, romelic mas hqonda. Sesa- Zlebelia, Tavad „qarTuli ocneba” farulad uwyobda xels, rom xazaraZis TavmjdomareobiT aseTi partia Seqmniliyo. anu meore versiis Tanaxmad, SesaZlebelia, ivaniSvili da xazaraZe erTmaneTis interesebs emsaxurebodnen. rac Seexeba imas, iqneba Tu ara xazaraZe mesame Zala, misi Zlieri mxare finansuri resursebi namdvilad aris, magram misi susti mxarea is, rom, jerjerobiT, mis gverdiT seriozuli politikosebi ar Canan. vin Seva mis gundSi, amis Semdeg Segvi- Zlia vimsjeloT, ramdenad seriozuli perspeqtivebi eqneba xazara- Zis politikur partias. 21
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