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ukve erT Tveze metia, rac axalgazrdebi<br />
Ss ministr giorgi gaxarias Tanamdebobidan gada-<br />
dgomis moTxovniT rusTavelze aqcias marTaven. moTxovna isev<br />
moTxovnad rCeba, Tumca am aqciebma isic dagvanaxa, rom sa-<br />
zogadoeba politikaSi axali saxeebis gamoCenas iTxovs, rom<br />
arsebuli politikuri speqtri gasaaxlebelia. ratom Semcir-<br />
da saprotesto muxti? ramdenad aucilebelia da vixilavT Tu<br />
ara axalgazrdebs 2020 wlis parlamentSi da ra gamowvevebi<br />
dgas Cveni qveynis axalgazrdebis winaSe?<br />
am da sxva mniSvnelovan Temebze<br />
„qronika+~ rubrika „axalgazrda<br />
politikosebSi” „lei-<br />
boristuli partiis” wevr giorgi<br />
gziriSvils esaubra:<br />
_ giorgi, Tqveni partiis liderma,<br />
Salva naTelaSvilma, ga-<br />
nacxada, rom ivaniSvilma „rus-<br />
Tavis 2-is” saqmeze strasburgis<br />
sasamarTloc ki moisyida. eT-<br />
anxmebiT Tu ara am mosazrebas da<br />
Tu eTanxmebiT, ra gaZlevT amis<br />
Tqmis safuZvels?<br />
_ yvelaferi SesaZlebelia. piradad<br />
mTavar problemad miviCnev<br />
imas, rom qarTuli sasamarTlo<br />
maqsimalurad mikerZoebulia da am<br />
pirobebSi qarTuli sasamarTlos<br />
mosyidva rom SesaZlebelia, amaze<br />
bevri saubari arc aris saWiro. am<br />
SemTxvevaSi, strasburgis sasamarTloze,<br />
Cemi azriT, didi gavlena<br />
iqonia qarTuli sasamarTlos<br />
mier miRebulma gadawyvetilebebma,<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, mTavari<br />
problemaa, rom qarTuli marTlmsajuleba<br />
ar aris mowodebis sima-<br />
Rleze. gansaxilvelia is sakiTxic,<br />
rom strasburgSi garkveulma lobistebma<br />
imuSaves. biZina ivaniSvili<br />
miliarderia da, Sesabamisad,<br />
mas hyavs kidec lobistebi, Tumca<br />
Tavs ver davdeb da ver vityvi, rom<br />
romelime mosamarTle moisyida.<br />
qarTulma sasamarTlom da instituciebma<br />
imdenad gaayalbes, imdenad<br />
„Sekeres” da ise Caitanes strasburgSi<br />
es saqme da ise waradgines<br />
yvela dokumenti, rac iyo sa-<br />
Wiro, rom SesaZloa, strasburgs,<br />
ubralod, sxva gamosavalic ar<br />
hqonda darCenili. amitomac, Sei-<br />
Zleba, samarTlebrivad ver miiRes<br />
is gadawyvetileba, rom „rusTavi<br />
2" ar daebrunebinaT qibar xalva-<br />
SisTvis, Tumca SesaZloa, moralurad<br />
Cven gverdiT iyvnen da maTac<br />
sjerodaT, rom „rusTavi 2" unda<br />
iyos im adamianebis xelSi, visic<br />
iyo manam, sanam qibar xalvaSs gadauformebdnen.<br />
am saqmeSi instituciebi<br />
aqtiurad rom iyvnen CarTuli,<br />
amaze metyvelebs Semdegi faqti:<br />
saqarTveloSi adamianebi qonebis<br />
gadaformebas Tveebis ganmavlobaSi<br />
ver axerxeben, ratomRac, moxda<br />
ise, rom 1 saaTSi saqarTvelo-<br />
Si, yvela instituciam, „rusTavi 2-<br />
Tan” dakavSirebiT gamosca dokumentebi<br />
da ramdenime saaTSi amxela<br />
kompania qibar xalvaSs gadauforma,<br />
direqtoric ki Secvales.<br />
rodesac xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi<br />
amboben, rom isini ar Careulan<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” sakiTxSi da<br />
rom es iyo wminda samarTlebrivi<br />
samoqalaqo dava, es aris yvelaze<br />
didi tyuili.<br />
_ ra safrTxeebs qmnis „ru-<br />
sTavi 2" arsebuli saxiT an misi<br />
mauwyeblobis Sewyveta?<br />
_ „rusTavi 2-idan” qarTveli<br />
mosaxleoba vismenT imas, rac gul-<br />
Si gvaqvs, vismenT Cvens gasaWirs. es<br />
televizia maqsimalurad opoziciuria,<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, „rusTavi<br />
2-s” vuyurebT swored imitom, rom<br />
gavigoT simarTle, is, rac qveyanaSi<br />
xdeba. Cven am simarTlis mosmenas<br />
veRar SevZlebT. aseve mniSvnelovania<br />
is, rom Cven, rogorc<br />
saxelmwifos, dasavleTis maqsimalurad<br />
dadebiTi Sefasebebi gvWirdeba<br />
imisTvis, rom kargi urTier-<br />
Toba Camogviyalibdes dasavleT-<br />
Tan. isini aqamde werdnen, rom me-<br />
diapluralistuli garemo iyo<br />
Cvens qveyanaSi. ara mgonia, es Sefasebebi<br />
isev gagrZeldes, mas Semdeg,<br />
rac „rusTavi 2-is” saredaqcio<br />
politika Seicvleba. amitomac<br />
mgonia, rom yvelaze didi dartyma<br />
swored dasavleTis Sefasebebi<br />
iqneba, pirvel rigSi, saxelmwifos-<br />
Tvis iqneba yvelaze didi problema<br />
arapluralisturi garemoTi<br />
dasavleTTan daaxloeba.<br />
_ mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebi<br />
amboben, rom swored, imitom,<br />
rom mediagaremo Tavisufalia,<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” gunds Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba aqvs, axali arxi Seqm-<br />
nas. es ramdenad SeiZleba iyos am<br />
situaciaSi gamosavali?<br />
_ vfiqrob, xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi<br />
am gancxadebiT dascinian<br />
im adamianebs, romlebic<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” qibar xalvaSisTvis<br />
gadacemas ewinaaRmdegebian, radgan<br />
SeuZlebelia, axali arxi Seiqmnas<br />
da iseTive gavlena da masStabi<br />
hqondes, rogoric „rusTavi 2-s”<br />
aqvs. kidev erTxel aRvniSnav:<br />
„rusTavi 2" iyo brendi da amitomac<br />
Canda dasavleTisTvis ase<br />
mkafiod, daskvnebic Sesabamisi<br />
hqondaT. rodesac Seiqmneba axali<br />
arxi, aseTi gavlena ar eqneba da<br />
verc dasavleTSi gaigeben, rom<br />
raime opoziciuri arxi arsebobs.<br />
rogorc Cans, „imedi” darCeba mTavar<br />
saxelisuflebo moTamaSed,<br />
pirveli arxi isedac saxelisufleboa,<br />
„rusTavi 2", axali mmarTvelis<br />
pirobebSi, aseve saxelisuflebo<br />
arxad iqceva. am realobaSi ki<br />
rTuli iqneba iseTi kompaniis Seqmna,<br />
romelic drois mokle monakveTSi<br />
maT gautoldeba. miT umetes,<br />
es ver moxerxdeba 2020 wlamde,<br />
roca saparlamento arCevnebia.<br />
Cemi azriT, „qarTuli ocneba”<br />
swored imisTvis ibrZoda, rom 2020<br />
wels „rusTavi 2" gaCumebuliyo.<br />
_ amis paralelurad, ukve erT<br />
Tveze metia, rusTavelis gamzirze<br />
gaxarias gadadgomis moTx-<br />
ovniT aqcia imarTeba. rogor fiqrobT,<br />
dakarga Tu ara am aqcieb-<br />
ma saprotesto muxti?<br />
_ Tqven gaxsovT basianis movlenebi,<br />
sadac axalgazrdebi sami dRe<br />
marTavdnen aqcias da Semdeg daiSalnen.<br />
wesiT, ar unda daSliliyvnen,<br />
magram daiSalnen, raSic<br />
Zalian bevrma faqtorma iTamaSa<br />
gadamwyveti roli. rac Seexeba am<br />
aqciebs, 20 ivniss basianeli axalgazrdebi<br />
da danarCeni saqarTveloc<br />
kidev erTxel gamovida par-<br />
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lamentTan. Tu rusTavelze bevri<br />
xalxi ar dgas, es imas ar niSnavs,<br />
rom muxti qreba. saqarTveloSi<br />
iseTi mZafri ram, rogoric gavrilovis<br />
viziti iyo, Tu moxdeba, es<br />
adamianebi parlamentTan kidev<br />
gamovlen. es uaryofiTi muxti adamianebs<br />
unarCundebaT da Tavis<br />
droze ise amoxeTqavs, rom aqcias<br />
veRar daSlian. am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
vfiqrob, muxti ar gamqrala, zafxulia<br />
da bevrma adamianurma faqtorma<br />
iTamaSa gadamwyveti roli,<br />
rom dRes parlamentTan SedarebiT<br />
naklebi xalxi dgas, Tumca Sesa-<br />
Zloa, es Seicvalos kidec, rodesac<br />
zafxuli gaivlis.<br />
_ SeiZleba iTqvas, xelisufle-<br />
bam gaxarias gadadgomis sakiTxi<br />
gadaagora. rogor fiqrobT, ratom<br />
ar daTmo ivaniSvilma gaxar-<br />
ia?<br />
_ dRes „qarTuli ocnebis” mTavari<br />
mteri „nacionaluri moZraobaa”.<br />
„ocnebis” mTavari „tipi”,<br />
romelic „nacionalur moZraobas”<br />
ugebs saubarSi, iWers maT warmomadgenlebs<br />
da ar eSinia am nabijebis<br />
gadadgmis, _ es aris gaxaria. man<br />
Tavze xeli aiRo da ivaniSvilis<br />
yvela moTxovnas asrulebs. rTuli<br />
mosaZebnia iseTi adamiani, romelic<br />
amden sisulelesa da dana-<br />
Sauls Caidens. ivaniSvilma, radgan<br />
aseTi ipova, aRar unda misi gaSve-<br />
giorgi<br />
gziriSvili:<br />
`aqcia, sadac<br />
politikosi ar<br />
dgas, rutinaSi<br />
gasaxvevad aris<br />
ganwiruli~<br />
ba. mas hyavs gaxarias saxiT yvela<br />
moTxovnis Semsrulebeli adamiani,<br />
amitomac didi xnis ganmavlobaSi<br />
ver daTmobs. „qarTuli ocnebis”<br />
momxreebisTvis, romlebsac ezizRebaT<br />
opoziciuri partiebi,<br />
gansakuTrebiT ki „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba”, maTTvis gaxaria, Sei-<br />
Zleba iTqvas, RmerTiviTaa. rogorc<br />
Cans, ivaniSvili gaxarias gadayenebas<br />
ar iCqarebs, radgan is am<br />
mTavrobisTvis xerxemaliviTaa.<br />
aseve aRsaniSnavia rusuli gavlenebic<br />
_ gaxaria iq gazrdili kacia<br />
da ruseTSic mfarvelebi hyavs. amitomac<br />
gaxaria aris adamiani, romlis<br />
gadayenebac saqarTvelos<br />
mTavrobaSi yvelaze rTulia. premier-ministris<br />
gadayeneba rom moeTxovaT,<br />
eWvi mepareba, amden xans<br />
gaweliliyo, albaT baxtaZes meore<br />
dResve gadaayenebdnen.<br />
_ axalgazrdul problemebze<br />
visaubroT, ra gamowvevis winaSe<br />
vdgavarT qarTveli axalgazrde-<br />
bi?<br />
_ ukve ramdenime welia, rac aqtiurad<br />
var CarTuli politikaSi,<br />
axla rodesac axalgazrdul problemebze<br />
vsaubrob, razec 6 wlis<br />
win vsaubrobdi, zustad igivea<br />
saTqmeli dResac. axalgazrdebisTvis<br />
dadebiTisken araferi Secvlila,<br />
axalgazrdebs am qveyanaSi<br />
momavali ar gaaCniaT. qveyanas ar<br />
`gansaxilvelia is sakiTxic, rom strasburgSi<br />
garkveulma lobistebma imuSaves. biZina<br />
ivaniSvili miliarderia da, Sesabamisad, mas<br />
hyavs kidec lobistebi, Tumca Tavs ver davdeb<br />
da ver vityvi, rom romelime mosamarTle<br />
moisyida. qarTulma sasamarTlom da<br />
instituciebma imdenad gaayalbes, imdenad<br />
`Sekeres~ da ise Caitanes strasburgSi es saqme<br />
da ise waradgines yvela dokumenti, rac iyo<br />
saWiro, rom SesaZloa, strasburgs, ubralod,<br />
sxva gamosavalic ar hqonda darCenili~<br />
aqvs konkretuli gezi, saiT vi-<br />
Tardeba, aseve arc erTi is sfero<br />
ar aris ganviTarebuli, riTac axalgazrdebi<br />
SeZleben Tavis damkvidrebasa<br />
da TavianTi SesaZleblobebis<br />
realizebas. Zalian sasaciloa<br />
is faqtic, rom viRebT ganaTlebas,<br />
gvaqvs diplomebi, Tumca<br />
axalgazrdebis umravlesoba<br />
TavianTi profiliT ar muSaobs. es<br />
metyvelebs imaze, rom qveyana kidev<br />
ufro Seumdgaria, rom axalgazrdebze<br />
da maT momavalze aravin<br />
fiqrobs. is, vinc mTavrobaSia da<br />
visac berketebi aqvs, mxolod Tavis<br />
ojaxis wevrebsa da Tavis Svilebze<br />
fiqrobs. swored mxolod<br />
maTi Svilebi swavloben dasavle-<br />
Tis wamyvan universitetebSi. maT<br />
danarCeni axalgazrdebi arc ainteresebT.<br />
vfiqrob, Cven Tavad axalgazrdebma<br />
unda SevZloT, rom<br />
xelisuflebam mogvisminos. mjera,<br />
rom yvelaze didi Zala axalgazrdebSia<br />
da nel-nela es axalgazrduli<br />
muxti, SeiZleba, gaizardos.<br />
axalgazrdebi nel-nela swavloben,<br />
rom raRacebi unda moiTxovon.<br />
Cven varT Taoba, romelic saxelmwifos<br />
ar uyurebs, rogorc mewvel<br />
Zroxas, saidanac mudmivad ra-<br />
Rac sargebeli unda naxo, piriqiT,<br />
Cven vfiqrobT, rom saxelmwifos-<br />
Tvis Tavadve unda gavceT raRacebi.<br />
Cven saxelmwifos mimarT pasuxismgeblobas<br />
vgrZnobT. imisTvis,<br />
rom axalgazrdebs kargi momavali<br />
gvqondes dRes, awmyosTvis unda<br />
vibrZoloT, rom fundamenti SevqmnaT<br />
ukeTesi momavlis saSeneblad.<br />
imedi maqvs, axalgazrdebi protestis<br />
nawilSi kidev ufro gaaqtiurdebian.<br />
adre Tu romelime<br />
partiis warmomadgeneli iyavi, „texavda”,<br />
es damokidebuleba nelnela<br />
icvleba, axalgazrdebi mixvdnen,<br />
rom politikis gareSe Seu-<br />
Zlebelia saxelmwifos ganviTareba.<br />
basianis aqciebi rom gavixsenoT,<br />
maSin absoluturad yvela ambobda,<br />
rom politikosebi aqciaze ar<br />
misuliyvnen. am gamocdilebidan<br />
gamomdinare, 20 ivnisis aqciaze, axalgazrdebis<br />
azri radikalurad<br />
Seicvala. am aqciaze axalgazrdebis<br />
TiTqmis 60% ambobda, rom politikosebi<br />
da maTi gamocdileba<br />
saWiroa. axalgazrdebi politikisken<br />
unda motrialdnen, Caer-<br />
Ton saxelmwifo mSeneblobaSi, ris<br />
Semdegac CveniT unda gavxsnaT<br />
gzebi momavlisken, radgan ukve<br />
aTwleulebia, amas aravin akeTebs.<br />
amitomac, es Cveni gasakeTebelia.<br />
_ miuxedavad imisa, rom 20 iv-<br />
nisis aqciaze politikosebi idg-<br />
nen, organizatorebi acxadebdnen,<br />
rom saorganizacio nawilSi ar<br />
sWirdebodaT maTi CarTuloba<br />
daazarala Tu ara aman aqcia?<br />
gagrZeleba 37-e gv.<br />
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