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gamolocva gvWirdeba!~<br />
is krizisi ucxo qveynebis spec-<br />
samsaxurebs daegegmaT?<br />
_ gamoricxviT arafers gamovricxav,<br />
magram specsamsaxurebis<br />
kuTxiT mtkicebulebebi ar gvaqvs.<br />
SeiZleba, raRacas wamoegnen. amitomac<br />
vambob, politikas codna unda-meTqi.<br />
yvelaferi unda gadamowmebuliyo<br />
da gaazrebuliyo, ras ra<br />
mohyveboda: xalxis reaqcia rogori<br />
iqneboda, ra Sedegi dadgeboda<br />
da a. S. amaT marto ruseTTan<br />
Sedegi gaTvales, imaze ki aRar ifiqres,<br />
yvelafer amas qarTveli<br />
xalxi rogor miiRebda.<br />
ai, am ucodinarobam da politikurma<br />
siSlegem kinaRam saxelmwifo<br />
Camoamxo! am Secdomas „ocneba”<br />
calybad aRiarebs, magram calybad<br />
aRiareba sakmarisi ar aris,<br />
radgan es mZime Secdoma iyo! am<br />
mZime Secdomaze pasuxismgebloba<br />
marto erTis gadadgoma da danar-<br />
Ceni 200 adamianis daWera ar aris.<br />
yvelaferi es cecxlze navTis<br />
dasxmas ufro hgavs, vidre balansisa<br />
da proporciis SenarCunebas.<br />
_ saboloo jamSi, am movlenebiT<br />
saqarTvelo evroatlan-<br />
tikur sivrces dascilda?<br />
_ faruli ar aris, rom saqar-<br />
Tvelos xelisuflebas ruseTis<br />
xelisuflebasTan tandemi aqvs da<br />
am wuTas erT mizans emsaxurebian.<br />
aliansis jgufi amas yovelTvis ase<br />
aRiqvamda, magram bolo dros „ocnebam”<br />
ormagi bunebis niRabi Camoixsna<br />
da ukve naTelia, rom rusuli<br />
interesis gatarebas cdilobs.<br />
_ rusuli interesebis gatare-<br />
ba raSi gamoixateba?<br />
_ ai, magaliTad, rusebma Tqves,<br />
es xalxi dasajeTo da xom sjian?<br />
_ ki batono, sjian. rusebma isic<br />
Tqves, eg „rusTavi 2" CaaxSeTo da<br />
gvaramia xom moxsnes?<br />
_ gvaramias moxsna evrosasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetilebis Sede-<br />
gia, batono valeri.<br />
_ moicaT, ra! zRaprebs Tavi<br />
davaneboT! evrosasamarTlo ruseTisgan<br />
viTom Sors aris.<br />
_ anu imas ambobT, rom evro-<br />
sasamarTloSi rusuli gavlenebi<br />
Zlieria?<br />
_ xmamaRla arafers vityvi, magram<br />
evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetileba<br />
waikiTxeT _ rac mTeli istoriis<br />
ganmavlobaSi ar gaukeTebia,<br />
am gadawyvetilebiT is gaake-<br />
Ta!<br />
_ erTi sityviT, evropaze da,<br />
zogadad, mTel msoflioze ruse-<br />
Tis gavlena iseTi didia, rom kre-<br />
mli yvelas Tavis Wkuaze atrial-<br />
ebs da Tu asea, maSin, Cven, patara<br />
qveyana, ruseTs rogor gavum-<br />
klavdebiT?<br />
_ win jer kidev didi palataa<br />
da vnaxoT, rogor gadawyvetilebas<br />
miiRebs.<br />
asea Tu ise, am interesebis garda,<br />
sxva bevrma faqtormac imuSava.<br />
ai, magaliTad, wulukians wamoscda,<br />
evrosasamarTloSi 400 gverdamde<br />
dokumentebi gavagzavneTo.<br />
mokled, kiTxvebi arsebobs da<br />
piradad mec, romelic am saqmeSi<br />
davberdi, mainteresebs: rodesac<br />
mosamarTleTa acilebis sakiTxi<br />
dgeba da imis rezervi arsebobs,<br />
rom igive saqmeze samarTalwarmoeba<br />
sxva jgufma ganaxorcielos da<br />
aseT dros evrosasamarTlo ambobs,<br />
araferi darRveulao, amas<br />
ra unda davarqvaT?<br />
_ ise, zogi ar gamoricxavs, rom<br />
movlenebis am scenariT ganvi-<br />
`zogadad, sasamarTloebi kiTxvebs yovelTvis iwveven da zogjer<br />
moTxovnebsac ver pasuxoben. mokled, rogor davijero, rom yvelafer amas<br />
evrosasamarTlom ise Sexeda, rogorc or pirs Soris qonebriv davas? amis<br />
dajereba Zalian Znelia, miT umetes, roca mTeli msoflio saqmis kursSia,<br />
rom politikuri ideologiebis brZolazea laparaki da ara - erT<br />
romelime konkretul televiziaze~<br />
Tareba Tavad „rusTavi 2-is” interesSic<br />
Sedioda da evrosasa-<br />
marTloSi sarCelis uzrunvely-<br />
ofis moTxovnis Setana amitomac<br />
daagviana.<br />
_ ar vici, ra daagviana, sarCelsac<br />
ar vicnob, magram rom daegvianebina,<br />
maSin sarCels ar ganixilavdnen.<br />
radgan sarCeli ar wamikiTxavs,<br />
amitom verafers davaskvni da mxolod<br />
varaudi SemiZlia. zogadad,<br />
sasamarTloebi kiTxvebs yovelTvis<br />
iwveven da zogjer moTxovnebsac<br />
ver pasuxoben. mokled, rogor<br />
davijero, rom yvelafer amas evrosasamarTlom<br />
ise Sexeda, rogorc<br />
or pirs Soris qonebriv davas?<br />
amis dajereba Zalian Znelia, miT<br />
umetes, roca mTeli msoflio saqmis<br />
kursSia, rom politikuri ideologiebis<br />
brZolazea laparaki da<br />
ara _ erT romelime konkretul<br />
televiziaze.<br />
_ „rusTavi 2-is” xalvaSis xel-<br />
Si gadasvla, Tqveni azriT, qarT-<br />
ul politikur garemos rogor<br />
Secvlis?<br />
_ politikaSi ideologia Seicvleba.<br />
„rusTavi 2" prodasavluri<br />
ideologiis flagmani iyo da amaze<br />
dava aravin daiwyos. es erTader-<br />
Ti televizia iyo, romelic politikur<br />
dRis wesrigs qmnida da sxva<br />
televiziebic iZulebuli iyvnen,<br />
is movlenebi gaeSuqebinaT, romelsac<br />
„rusTavi 2" aSuqebda.<br />
Tu am flagmanobas televizia<br />
veRar ikisrebs, arc erTi movlena<br />
aRar gaSuqdeba da yvelaferi Cabneldeba!<br />
amasTan, rogorc aRvniSne, es<br />
televizia prodasavluri idealebis<br />
rupori iyo. dRes sxva romeli<br />
arxia ise politizebuli, rom am<br />
ideologiis medroSe iyos? _ arc<br />
erTi!<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, qveyanaSi<br />
iseTi dRis wesrigi iqneba, rogoric<br />
mTavrobas endomeba da amiT<br />
„rusTavi 2" ki ara, prodasavluri<br />
ideologia mokvdeba! sxvaTa Soris,<br />
es konstituciiT gacxadebuli<br />
ideologiaa.<br />
`politikaSi ideologia Seicvleba. "rusTavi 2"<br />
prodasavluri ideologiis flagmani iyo da<br />
amaze dava aravin daiwyos. es erTaderTi<br />
televizia iyo, romelic politikur dRis<br />
wesrigs qmnida da sxva televiziebic iZulebuli<br />
iyvnen, is movlenebi gaeSuqebinaT, romelsac<br />
"rusTavi 2" aSuqebda. Tu am flagmanobas<br />
televizia veRar ikisrebs, arc erTi movlena<br />
aRar gaSuqdeba da yvelaferi Cabneldeba!~<br />
_ batono valeri, viTarebis<br />
dramatizebas xom ar vaxdenT?<br />
bolos da bolos, 21-e saukunea,<br />
cifruli mauwyebloba arsebobs<br />
da „rusTavi 2-is” gunds, minimum,<br />
is SeuZlia, rom internettelevi-<br />
zia gaakeTos da prodasavluri<br />
ideebis lobireba ase moaxdinos.<br />
_ Cemo kargo, televiziaSi<br />
Tqvenc muSaobdiT, magram axla<br />
telefoniT ratom ar akeTebT?<br />
arada, Tqveni erTi gadacema imas<br />
niSnavda, rom konkretul Temaze,<br />
minimum, erT kviras emsjelaT.<br />
dRes ki am funqciis matarebeli<br />
veRar xarT imitom, rom jer erTi,<br />
televiziis mier sakuTari sivrcis<br />
mopoveba wlebis ambavia, anu Sei-<br />
Zleba, didi fuli gqondes, magram<br />
Tu marTali ar xar, auditorias<br />
ver moipoveb. mokled, nebismier<br />
mZlavr finansur jgufs aTi weli<br />
mainc sWirdeba, rom kargi televizia<br />
Seqmnas.<br />
_ anu Tu ukve rusul sivrceSi<br />
varT, brZolas azri mainc aqvs?<br />
_ brZolas azri yovelTvis aqvs.<br />
ubralod, ruseTis moTxovnebis<br />
sanacvlod raRacebis daTmoba moxda<br />
da am daTmobis safasuri, albaT,<br />
aviareisebis aRdgena iqneba.<br />
_ batono valeri, amdeni welia,<br />
gicnobT, magram aseTi pesimisti<br />
arasodes momCvenebixarT. e. i.,<br />
Cveni saqme Zalian cudad aris?<br />
_ ara! saqarTvelo erovnul<br />
idealebs ase iolad ar moinelebs!<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, piradad me Cems<br />
brZolas gavagrZeleb da im adamianebis<br />
gverdiT viqnebi, romlebsac<br />
es qveyana iaffasian saspekulacio<br />
sagnad ar miaCniaT, magram kargi<br />
iqneboda, xelisuflebaSi erTi<br />
mainc aRmoCeniliyo iseTi, vinc<br />
saqarTvelos saspekulacio sagnad<br />
da piradi gamdidrebis wyarod ar<br />
miiCnevda.<br />
_ am fonze imis saWiroebas xom<br />
ar xedavT, rom axali erovnuli<br />
moZraoba daiwyos?<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, ori dRea<br />
vfiqrob, Secdoma xom ar iyo, samioTxi<br />
rom SevikribeT-meTqi?<br />
_ „gamarjvebul saqarTvelos”<br />
gulisxmobT?<br />
_ diax... me Tanamdebobas namd-<br />
vilad ar veZeb _ asakic iseTi<br />
maqvs, rom es araTavsebadia, magram<br />
ideebisTvis, ra Tqma unda, bolo<br />
energiis daxarjva SemiZlia. dRes<br />
Cven kvlav ganmaTavisuflebeli<br />
ideebis winaSe davdeqiT. roca axalgazrda<br />
viyavi, maSin ar davfiqrebulvar<br />
da axla ratom davfiqrdebi?!<br />
_ am brZolaSi opozicia er-<br />
Tiani iqneba, batono valeri?<br />
_ ar vici. zogadad, opoziciam<br />
cota sxvanairi gageba miiRo da<br />
amitom kargi iqneba, Tu sityva „opozicias”<br />
SevcvliT da vityviT,<br />
rom yvelani saqarTvelos mxares<br />
da erTad varT.<br />
ise, Tu qveynis Rirebulebebs me<br />
ufro vicav, opozicia me ratom<br />
var? aseT SemTxvevaSi, opozicia<br />
xelisufleba gamodis!<br />
mokled, sityva „opozicia” sazogadoebis<br />
TvalSi gacvda da mxolod<br />
„nacionaluri moZraobaa” warmodgenili.<br />
iseTi opozicia ar minda,<br />
sadac mxolod „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” iqneba warmodgenili.<br />
_ erovnuli interesebis<br />
dacvis sadarajoze flagmanis<br />
rols „gamarjvebuli saqarTve-<br />
lo” ver Seasrulebs?<br />
_ merkanteloba rom ar muSaobdes,<br />
anu yvela partias rom ar miaCndes,<br />
gamosavali CemSiao, ra Tqma<br />
unda, SeiZleba, rom yvelani erTi<br />
qolgis qveS viyoT.<br />
Cven ufulo xalxi varT, arc<br />
televizia gvaqvs da erTi gauremontebeli<br />
ofisis meti araferi<br />
gagvaCnia, magram xalxis Tanadgomis<br />
imedi Tavidanve gvqonda da<br />
roca SevikribeT, vTqviT, beladomania<br />
ar gvinda da Cveni beladi<br />
Cveni qveyana iyoso.<br />
ai, amosavali wertili es aris.<br />
jer axali Seqmnilebi varT da<br />
nabijebi ar gadagvidgams, magram<br />
movlenebis ganviTarebas velodebiT,<br />
radgan is, risi gakeTebac gvinda,<br />
marto an sxvebTan erTad gavakeToT!<br />
_ bolos, batono valeri,<br />
oqruaSvilis dacvis wevris daW-<br />
eraze gkiTxavT: amas represiebad<br />
miiCnevT?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda da amaze gancxadebac<br />
gavakeTeT. sxvaTa Soris,<br />
„qarTulma ocnebam” Tavis Tavs is<br />
Sabloni mouZebna, romelic SevardnaZis<br />
drosac arsebobda da<br />
saakaSvilis drosac.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ am xelisuflebas imis niSani<br />
ar hqonda, rom politikuri devna<br />
daewyo, magram es Sabloni moirgo<br />
da ukve politikuri reJimi gaxda.<br />
reJimis damaxasiaTebeli ki politikuri<br />
devna, represiebi da kudianebze<br />
nadirobaa!<br />
„ocneba” erTi-erTSi imas imeorebs,<br />
rasac SevardnaZis xelisuflebas<br />
da „nacionalur moZraobas”<br />
vedavebodiT, magram am daSinebebiT<br />
Sedegi verc erT reJims<br />
ver miuRia.<br />
ivaniSvils mrCevlad viRac ebraeli<br />
hyolia Camoyvanili da etyoba,<br />
yvelafer amas is urCevs, magram<br />
is urCios, israelSi simSvide romaa<br />
da daWerebi ar aris. es ebraeli<br />
virisTavi dalagebul qveyana-<br />
Si areulobas iwyebs! moaSoros<br />
aqedan!<br />
_ e. i., yvelaferSi moSea dam-<br />
naSave?<br />
_ albaT, rac eg Camovida, yvelaferi<br />
mas Semdeg daiwyo da aba,<br />
sxva vis davabraloT?!<br />
N25 (286) 23.07-5.08.2019 w.<br />
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