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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
yovelkvireuli gazeTi<br />
eqskluzivi<br />
`Tu maia stefnaZe am<br />
intervius waikiTxavs<br />
minda, gabrazdes~<br />
gamodis samSabaTobiT N26 (287) 6.08<br />
08.201<br />
.2019 fasi 2 lari<br />
gv. 12<br />
sisxliani<br />
agvistos qronikebi<br />
gv. 22<br />
ratom arRvevs sapatriarqo karTagenis 33-e<br />
kanons da vin gaxdeba quTaTel-gaenaTeli?<br />
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vinmes azrs<br />
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08.08.08.<br />
afxazebisa da osebis 11<br />
weli kremlis Ceqmis qveS...<br />
gv. 4<br />
gv. 18<br />
gia nodia:<br />
gv. 2<br />
`20-ma ivnisma<br />
xelisuflebaSi<br />
SiSi warmoSva~<br />
goCa barnovi:<br />
dimitri toraZe:<br />
gv. 8<br />
`safrTxe, rom<br />
okupanti<br />
pirdapir<br />
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momavali<br />
patriarqis<br />
`dadgenas~,<br />
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problemad<br />
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gv. 14<br />
gogi wulaia:<br />
`xelisuflebas<br />
realurad unda<br />
virCevdeT~<br />
gv. 32<br />
gv. 6<br />
`ratom unda<br />
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ana rexviaSvili:<br />
fiqria CixraZe:<br />
gv. 16<br />
`biZina<br />
ivaniSvils<br />
reputacia<br />
sabolood<br />
gaucamtverda~ gv. 10<br />
N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.<br />
`Tu irakli<br />
oqruaSvili<br />
damnaSavea,<br />
maSin mec<br />
damnaSave var!~<br />
gv. 20<br />
`ivaniSvili<br />
gegmazomierad<br />
asufTavebs vels<br />
2020 wlis<br />
arCevnebisTvis~<br />
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giorgi abaSiZe<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
08.08.08. saqarTvelos uaxles istoriaSi erT-erTi yvelaze<br />
tragikuli da sisxliani epizodia. diax, es aris epizodi, romel-<br />
mac „erTmorwmune mezoblisa” da „ufrosi Zmis” miTi sabolood<br />
daamsxvria, Tumca, amis miuxedavad, iseTi qarTvelebi mainc moi-<br />
Zebnebian, romlebic irwmunebian, ginda Tu ara, ruseTs babaia<br />
unda davuZaxoT da okupantobis miuxedavad, masTan vasaluri<br />
molaparakebebic gavmarToTo. metic, agvistos omSi saqarTve-<br />
los _ arc meti, arc naklebi _ qveynis moqmedi prezidenti da<br />
umaRlesi mTavarsardali, salome zurabiSvilic adanaSaulebs.<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, arsebuli informaciiT, haagis tribunalSi<br />
kremli sakuTari poziciebis gamagrebas swored zurabiSvilis<br />
mosazrebebiT Seecdeba, romelic am ukanasknelis mier, jer<br />
kidev, ramdenime wlis win daweril wignSia moyvanili.<br />
sisxliani<br />
ratom cdilobda an cdilobs<br />
zurabiSvili da masTan erTad kidev<br />
mcirericxovani jgufi, rom<br />
2008 wlis agvistos movlenebSi saqarTvelo<br />
daadanaSaulos? _ am<br />
Temaze bevrjer Tqmula da dawerila.<br />
albaT, kidev araerTxel iTqmeba<br />
da daiwereba da, Sesabamisad,<br />
is mosazrebac iqneba aqtualuri,<br />
rom sakuTari qveynis omis dawyebaSi<br />
dadanaSauleba, moRalateoba<br />
Tu ara, minimum, mtris wisqvilze<br />
wylis dasxmaa.<br />
ise, sainteresoa, roca pirsisxliani<br />
mteri Sens miwa-wyalze Sensave<br />
mosaxleobas Jlets, rogor<br />
unda moiqce _ xeli ar unda gaan-<br />
Zrio, Tu vardebi esrolo da fiandazad<br />
gaego?<br />
sxvaTa Soris, agvistos omidan<br />
11 wlis Semdeg qarTulma mxarem<br />
okupants fiandazi, am sityvis pirdapiri<br />
mniSvnelobiT, daugo, anu<br />
20 ivniss saqarTveloSi Camosul<br />
gavrilovs, rogorc protokolidan<br />
gaxda cnobili, saxelmwifo<br />
ceremonialebis sasaxleSi, anu<br />
prezidentis yofil rezidenciaSi,<br />
diax, fiandazebi gauSales.<br />
hoda, mere gaukvirdaT, xalxi<br />
quCaSi ratom gamovida da okupanti<br />
qvenis dumis deputatis saqar-<br />
TveloSi Camosvla ratom gaaprotestao?!<br />
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calke saubris Temaa, magram zustad<br />
imitom, rom okupanti qveynis<br />
politikuri vertikalis warmomadgenlebs<br />
Cvens samSobloSi parpaSis<br />
saSualeba aRarasodes mieceT,<br />
agvistos omis qronologias<br />
Tvali gadavavloT da kidev eTxel<br />
gavixsnoT, kremlma ra dReebi<br />
gamogvatara!<br />
11 wlis win rusul agresias 228<br />
mSvidobiani moqalaqe, 169 samxedro,<br />
14 policieli da 3 Jurnalisti<br />
emsxverpla, daiWra 1747 adamiani,<br />
davkargeT kodoris xeoba da<br />
Sida qarTlis aTeulobiT sofeli.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, 150 000 adamiani<br />
iZulebuli gaxda, sakuTari<br />
saxl-kari daetovebina. aqedan, 30<br />
aTasi dResac devnilia...<br />
qronologia mowmobs, rom<br />
agvistos omi rusuli agresiis, ase<br />
vTqvaT, gvirgvini iyo, Torem yvelaferma<br />
gacilebiT adre, kerZod,<br />
2008 wlis dasawyisSi aiRo saTave,<br />
anu 2008 wlis ianvridan moyolebuli<br />
cxinvalisa da afxazeTis<br />
marionetuli reJimebi, raRa Tqma<br />
unda, moskovis davalebiTa da xelSewyobiT,<br />
viTarebis eskalacias<br />
periodulad cdilobdnen.<br />
ase, magaliTad, aprilis dasawyisSi<br />
nato-s buqarestis samitze,<br />
marTalia, map-i ar mogvces, magram<br />
erTmniSvnelovnad iTqva, saqarTvelo<br />
aliansis wevri aucileblad<br />
gaxdebao.<br />
aman kremls wonasworoba daakargvina.<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, jer sergei<br />
lavrovi daimuqra, yvelafers<br />
gavakeTebT, rom saqarTvelo natos<br />
wevri ar gaxdeso, Semdeg ki,<br />
Tavad vladimir putini gamoCnda<br />
arenaze da sityva-sityviT ganacxada:<br />
„ruseTs, natos poziciis sapasuxod,<br />
saSinao monaxazebi aqvs!”<br />
es monaxazebi ki, rogorc mogvinebiT<br />
gamoCnda, is iyo, rom 31 maiss<br />
kremlma okupirebul afxazeT-<br />
Si, rkinigzis xazis aRdgenis motiviT,<br />
sarkinigzo jarebi Seiyvana.<br />
paralelurad, gamwvavda viTareba<br />
cxinvalis regionSi _ qarTuli<br />
soflebi TiTqmis yoveldRiurad<br />
ibombeboda.<br />
2008 wlis 30 ivlisi _ ruseTis<br />
sagareo saqmeTa saministro sagangebo<br />
gancxadebas avrcelebs, sadac<br />
naTqvamia, rom saqarTvelosa<br />
da e. w. samxreT oseTs Soris SeiaraRebuli<br />
dapirispirebis dawyebis<br />
safrTxe realuria.<br />
amasTan, omis dawyebamde, daaxloebiT,<br />
20 dRiT adre gavrcelda<br />
informacia, rom osurma mosaxleobam<br />
e. w. samxreT oseTis teritoria<br />
datova.<br />
media imasac iuwyeboda, rom<br />
cxinvalis regionis osuri mosaxleoba<br />
sakuTar sacxovrebel saxlebs<br />
ruseTidan gamogzavnili avtobusebiT<br />
tovebda.<br />
es ki imis pirdapiri miniSneba<br />
iyo, rom kremli farTomasStabiani<br />
saomari operaciisTvis emzadeboda.<br />
2008 wlis 3-4 agvisto _ cxinvalis<br />
de faqto mTavrobis mier<br />
kontrolirebadi teritoriidan<br />
qarTuli soflebi intensiurad<br />
ibombeba.<br />
aseve ibombeba fronis, didi da<br />
patara liaxvis xeobebi.<br />
amas garda, ramdenime teraqtic<br />
xdeba, kerZod, dimitri sanakoevisa<br />
da policiis avtomanqanebs afeTqeben.<br />
am erTTvianma daZabulobam 2008<br />
wlis 7 agvistos miaRwia kulminacias,<br />
rac imas niSnavs, rom osi separatistebis<br />
kontrolirebadi teritoriidan<br />
dawyebuli saartilerio<br />
srolis Sedegad ori qarTveli<br />
mSvidobisdamcveli iWreba.<br />
daWrili samxedroebi saqarTvelos<br />
prezidentma, mixeil saakaSvilma,<br />
goris samxedro hospital-<br />
Si moinaxula, mogvinebiT ki TbilisSi<br />
dabrunebulma sagangebo<br />
gancxadeba gaakeTa:<br />
„minda, sruli pasuxismgeblobiT<br />
vTqva da vaRiaro, rom ramdenime<br />
saaTis win gaveci Zalian mtkivneuli<br />
brZaneba, rogorc umaRlesma<br />
mTavarsardalma, rom arc erTma<br />
qarTulma SenaerTma ar gaxsnas<br />
sapasuxo cecxli Zalian intensiuri<br />
dabombvis SemTxvevaSic”.<br />
ise, gamoxdeba xani da saakaSvili<br />
aRiarebs, rom am pirobis dacva-Sesruleba<br />
ver SeZlo, anu konfliqtis<br />
zonaSi Seqmnilma viTarebam<br />
da sadazvervo informaciam<br />
cxadi gaxada, rom rokis gvirabidan<br />
ruseTis regularulma nawilebma<br />
Semosvla daiwyes.<br />
saerTo jamSi, 7 agvistos RamiT<br />
saqarTvelos teritoriaze, rokis<br />
gvirabis gavliT da fsous sazRvridan,<br />
20 aTasze meti rusi samxedro<br />
Semovida.<br />
imisTvis, rom daculi yofiliyo<br />
saqarTvelos suvereniteti da<br />
teritoriuli mTlianoba, aseve<br />
saqarTvelos mosaxleobis usafr-<br />
Txoeba, prezidentma TavdacviTi<br />
operaciis dawyebis Sesaxeb brZane-<br />
ityvis, rom 8 agvistos, Ramis 10<br />
saaTze, qarTulma mxarem cxinvalis<br />
dakaveba SeZlo:<br />
„am droisTvis Cven mTlianad<br />
vakontrolebT qalaq cxinvals.<br />
cxinvali mTlianad gawmendilia<br />
Zaladobrivi elementebisgan da<br />
bandformirebebisgan.<br />
qalaqi Zalian dazaralebulia<br />
ormxrivi cecxlis Sedegad iseve,<br />
rogorc dRevandeli dRis intensiuri<br />
dabombvis Sedegad ruseTis<br />
aviaciis mier”.<br />
2008 wlis 9 agvisto, dila _<br />
ruseTs saaviacio ieriSi gorze<br />
miaqvs. ibombeba qalaqSi arsebuli<br />
satanko nawili da mis axlos mdebare<br />
sacxovrebeli saxlebi. dabobmva<br />
xdeba orjer, 15-wuTiani intervaliT.<br />
dasaxlebuli punqti brZolis<br />
wina xazs emsgavseba _ iqauroba<br />
savsea daxocilebiT da daWrilebiT.<br />
paralelurad, intensiuri br-<br />
Zola mimdinareobs cxinvalis misadgomebTan<br />
_ saqarTvelos armiis<br />
meore qveiTi brigadis sadazvervo<br />
jgufi ruseTis 58-e armiasTan sastik<br />
brZolaSi erTveba<br />
mere, dro rom gava, erT-erTi<br />
Jurnalisti am brZolas ase gaixsenebs:<br />
„es iyo sacecxle kontaqti 5, 10<br />
da 20 metris siaxloveSi. jariskacebi<br />
ibrZodnen xelCarTulni,<br />
danebis gamoyenebiT!”<br />
qarTuli artileriisa da tankistebis<br />
Tavdauzogavma brZolam<br />
ruseTis 58-e armia, samwuxarod,<br />
ver SeaCera.<br />
cxinvalis paralelurad, ruse-<br />
Tis CrdiloeT kavkasiis saarmio<br />
dajgufebis nawilebma Seteva afxra<br />
raportebs ugzavnida 2008 wlis<br />
agvistoSi aSS-is elCi TeTr<br />
saxls da ra weria `vikiliqsis~<br />
masalebSi rusul okupaciaze?<br />
ba gasca.<br />
armias sapasuxo cecxliT unda<br />
CaexSo mowinaaRmdegis sacecxle<br />
wertilebi, ris Semdegac cxinval-<br />
Si qveiTi nawilebi Sevidodnen.<br />
8 agvistos, dilis 10 saaTze,<br />
Tbilisis meri, gigi ugulava, mTavrobis<br />
saxeliT gorSi sagangebo<br />
gancxadebas akeTebs:<br />
„iciT, rom am droisTvis cxinvalis,<br />
daaxloebiT, 70% _ vgulisxmob<br />
TviTon qalaqsa da mis Semogaren<br />
soflebs _ dakavebulia Cveni<br />
jarebis mier. Cveni mTavari amocanaa<br />
adgilobrivi mosaxleobis<br />
usafrTxoebis uzrunvelyofa”.<br />
ugulavas am gancxadebidan zustad<br />
2 saaTis Semdeg viTareba dramatulad<br />
icvleba, anu specialuri<br />
punqtisa da derefnis Seqmnis winadadebas<br />
ruseTma farTomasStabiani<br />
samxedro okupaciiT upasuxa<br />
da pirvel etapze saqmeSi samxedro<br />
aviacia CarTo, romelmac cxinvalis<br />
misadgomebTan qarTveli<br />
jariskacebis poziciebze masirebuli<br />
ieriSi miitana.<br />
qarTulma armiam didi danakargi<br />
ganicada, magram, amis miuxedavad,<br />
mixeil saakaSvili mogvianebiT<br />
`11 wlis win rusul agresias 228 mSvidobiani<br />
moqalaqe, 169 samxedro, 14 policieli da 3<br />
Jurnalisti emsxverpla, daiWra 1747 adamiani,<br />
davkargeT kodoris xeoba da Sida qarTlis<br />
aTeulobiT sofeli. aqedan gamomdinare, 150 000<br />
adamiani iZulebuli gaxda, sakuTari saxl-kari<br />
daetovebina. aqedan, 30 aTasi dResac devnilia...~<br />
2 N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
agvistos qronikebi<br />
azeTis mimarTulebiTac daiwyes _<br />
mTlianad ikaveben foTi-zugdidisenakis<br />
mimarTulebas da cdiloben,<br />
kodoris xeobis dajgufebas,<br />
romelmac manamde strategiuli<br />
xeobidan manevriT ukan daxeva<br />
moaxerxa, zurgSi moeqcnen.<br />
2008 wlis 10 agvisto _ rusuli<br />
aviacia soflebis masobriv dabombvas<br />
iwyebs da, rogorc mogvianebiT<br />
gaxdeba cnobili, sxva, akrZalul<br />
iaraRTan erTad, e. w. vakumur,<br />
moculobiT bombebsac iyenebs.<br />
aseve rusuli aviacia qarTul soflebs<br />
500 kg.-ian Wurvebsac esvris.<br />
cxinvalis regionis soflebis<br />
garda rusul aviacias sahaero ieriSi<br />
miaqvs saqarTvelos sxvadasxva<br />
qalaqSi ganTavsebul samxedro<br />
bazebsa da aerodromebzec.<br />
kerZod, ibombeba vazianis baza,<br />
Tbilisis saaviacio qarxana, qviSianis<br />
mTaze mdgari radari, foTis<br />
porti, senakisa da marneulis samxedro<br />
bazebi.<br />
saboloo jamSi, ruseTis 58-e<br />
armia, cxinvalisa da soxumis separatistuli<br />
reJimebis mier kontrolirebad<br />
teritoriebTan er-<br />
Tad, axalgoris raions, kodoris<br />
xeobas, zugdids, goris raionis<br />
ramdenime sofelsa da saCxeris<br />
raionis sofel perevsac ikavebs.<br />
ruseTi cecxls wyvets mxolod<br />
safrangeTis imdorindeli prezidentis,<br />
nikola sarkozis Carevis<br />
Semdeg, anu 12 agvistos sarkozi 6-<br />
punqtian samSvidobo gegmas jer<br />
oficialur moskovTan, Semdeg ki<br />
oficialur TbilisTan aTanxmebs.<br />
ise, miuxedavad imisa, rom dimitri<br />
medvedevi, romelic ruseTis<br />
federaciis oficialuri prezidentia<br />
(sinamdvileSi, is putinis<br />
miTiTebebis usityvo Semsrulebeli<br />
gaxldaT) cecxlis Sewyvetis<br />
brZanebas gamoscems, ruseTis saaviacio<br />
Zalebis mier saqarTvelos<br />
dasaxlebuli punqtebis dabombva<br />
ar wydeba.<br />
26 agvistos medvedevi afxaze-<br />
Tisa da e. w. samxreT oseTis damoukideblobis<br />
aRiarebis brZanebas<br />
gamoscems.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, agvistos omis<br />
vnebebi met-naklebad rom Cacxreba,<br />
politikur kuluarebSi xma gavardeba,<br />
rom rusi okupantebis<br />
erT-erTi samizne samauwyeblo<br />
kompania „rusTavi 2" iyo.<br />
`ruseTis federaciis mier afxazeTisa da e. w. samxreT oseTis, rogorc<br />
damoukidebeli saxelmwifoebis aRiarebiT, wiTeli xazebi gadaikveTa, rasac<br />
ruseTis mxridan ukve yirimis mierTeba moyva. ise, pirdapir ver vityvi, rom<br />
agvistos omi msoflios gavlenianma specsamsaxurebma dagegmes, magram yvela<br />
versia im gadasaxedidan unda avagoT, Tu vis awyobda avadsaxsenebeli agvistos<br />
movlenebi. maSinac da axlac naTlad Canda da Cans, rom es omi ruseTs awyobda~<br />
aseve, mogvianebiT, msoflioSi<br />
skandalurad cnobili saiti „vi-<br />
kiliqsi” agvistos omze saqarTve-<br />
loSi aSS-is imJamindeli elCis,<br />
jon teftis mier saxelmwifo de-<br />
partamentSi gagzavnil saidumlo<br />
werilebs gamoaqveynebs, romelic<br />
2008 wlis 7, 8, 9 da 12 agvistoTia<br />
daTariRebuli:<br />
„8 agvistos Sedga prezident<br />
saakaSvilis saubari elCTan da aseve<br />
gaimarTa sagareo saqmeTa ministr<br />
eka tyeSelaSvilis brifingi<br />
dipkorpusisTvis, sadac gakeTda<br />
gancxadeba, rom saqarTvelo axla<br />
akontrolebs cxinvalsa da e. w.<br />
samxreT oseTis did nawils, miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom sabrZolo moqmedebebi<br />
grZeldeba CrdiloeTiT,<br />
javis midamoebSi. maTive cnobiT,<br />
ruseTis TviTmfrinavebi bombaven<br />
ramdenime samiznes saqarTveloSi,<br />
konfliqtis zonis gareT, goris<br />
centSri, or adgilas da qarelis<br />
policiasTan. arsebobs saqarTvelos<br />
gancxadeba, rom Camogdebulia<br />
rusuli TviTmfrinavi.<br />
saakaSvilma gamoacxada calmxrivi<br />
cecxlis Sewyvetis Sesaxeb<br />
gadawyvetileba 8 agvistos, 19:00<br />
saaTamde. man mimarTa saerTaSoriso<br />
sazogadoebas, rom „daexmaron<br />
rusuli agresiis mosagerieblad”.<br />
manve Tqva, rom rusma samSvidoboebma<br />
moawyves provocireba.<br />
Cven gveubnebian, rom am etapze<br />
qarTvelebi akontroleben e. w.<br />
samxreT oseTis teritoriis 75%-<br />
s, cxinvalsa da mis garSemo 11<br />
sofels. Jurnalistebi acxadeben,<br />
rom saqarTvelos SeiaraRebuli<br />
Zalebi miiweven rokis gvirabisken,<br />
rac CvenTvis ar aris naTeli. amavdroulad,<br />
saqarTvelos erovnulma<br />
uSiSroebis sabWom moiTxova<br />
1000 mebrZolis erayidan saqarTveloSi<br />
dabruneba 72 saaTis ganmavlobaSi.<br />
saakaSvilma elCs uTxra, rom is<br />
imyofeboda gorSi, qalaqis centr-<br />
Si bombis dacemisas. brZola _ SeiaraRebuli<br />
dapirispireba e. w.<br />
samxreT oseTSi daiwyo 7 agvistos,<br />
RamiT, oTxi mokle diapazonis<br />
balistikuri raketis gasroliT”,<br />
_ naTqvamia jon teftis raport-<br />
Si, romelic 2008 wlis 8 agvisto-<br />
Tia daTariRebuli.<br />
teftis kidev erT raportSi,<br />
romelic 9 agvistos aris aSS-Si<br />
gagzavnili da romelic mogvianebiT<br />
„vikiliqsma” gamoaqveyna, vkiTxulobT:<br />
„Tavdacvis saministros bazebi,<br />
aeroportebi da foTis porti daibomba<br />
rusuli TviTmfriavebiT.<br />
dabombva grZeldeboda 9 agvistos<br />
diliTac samoqalaqo samizneebze,<br />
qalaq gorSi. aris msxverpli.<br />
naTelia, rom daRupuli adamianebis<br />
ricxvi izrdeba. arsebobs<br />
aTobiT daRupuli senaksa da foT-<br />
Si.<br />
evakuirebulia zogierTi sam-<br />
Tavrobo Senoba TbilisSi. dabombvam<br />
gamoiwvia SiSi da panika qar-<br />
Tul mosaxleobaSi. dabombva gagr-<br />
Zelda saartilerio saSualebebidan<br />
cxinvalis maxloblad.<br />
afxazeTis xelisuflebam sTxova<br />
euTo-s, dauyovnebliv gaiyvanos<br />
sakuTari damkvirveblebi kodoris<br />
xeobidan.<br />
prezidentma saakaSvilma elCT-<br />
`daWrili samxedroebi saqarTvelos<br />
prezidentma, mixeil saakaSvilma, goris<br />
samxedro hospitalSi moinaxula, mogvinebiT<br />
ki TbilisSi dabrunebulma sagangebo<br />
gancxadeba gaakeTa:<br />
"minda, sruli pasuxismgeblobiT vTqva da<br />
vaRiaro, rom ramdenime saaTis win gaveci<br />
Zalian mtkivneuli brZaneba, rogorc<br />
umaRlesma mTavarsardalma, rom arc erTma<br />
qarTulma SenaerTma ar gaxsnas sapasuxo<br />
cecxli Zalian intensiuri dabombvis<br />
SemTxvevaSic".<br />
an diliT saubrisas Tqva, rom<br />
rusebs surT saqarTvelos srulad<br />
aReba da axali reJimis damyareba.<br />
saakaSvili SiSobs, rom<br />
ruseTi arasodes dasTanxmdeba<br />
cecxlis Sewyvetaze. saakaSvilsa<br />
da saqarTvelos xelmZRvanelobas<br />
sjera, rom mTeli es samxedro<br />
operacia putins surs reJimis<br />
Sesacvlelad. saakaSvilma ganacxada,<br />
rom rusuli Zalebi Tavs<br />
daesxnen cxinvals da qarTuli<br />
jarebi ewinaaRmdegebian maT.<br />
euTo-s damkvirveblebis TqmiT,<br />
8 agvistos, 15 saaTisTvis, qaTulma<br />
jarma datova cxinvali. reintegraciis<br />
ministris moadgile ruslan<br />
abaSiZem elCs ganucxada, rom<br />
e. w. samxreT oseTSi arsebuli vi-<br />
Tareba igivea, rac 8 agvistos iyo.<br />
mas sjera, rom qarTuli Zalebi<br />
akontroleben cxinvals da mimdebare<br />
soflebs... saqarTvelos xelisuflebam<br />
daadastura, rom sagangebo<br />
mdgomareobis gamocxadeba<br />
ver an ar moxerxda”.<br />
jon teftis raporti, 12 agvis-<br />
to, 2008 weli: „Tavdacvis ministris<br />
moadgile baTu quTeliam<br />
ganacxada, rom saqarTvelos jari<br />
moqmedebs proporciuli safrTxis<br />
mixedviT. sagareo saqmeTa ministr<br />
eka tyeSelaSvilis TqmiT, iakobaSvilsa<br />
da CoCievs Soris Sexvedra<br />
Cavarda kokoiTis mizeziT,<br />
romelmac „dabloka” es Sexvedra”.<br />
„vikiliqsis” es dokumentacia<br />
absoluturad sarwmunoa da mis<br />
avTenturobas eWqveS arc aSS ayenebs<br />
da arc _ evropuli qveynebis<br />
mTavrobebi. 2008 wlis 6, 7 da 8<br />
agvistos tefti aSS-is saxelmwifo<br />
departamentis xelmZRvanelobas<br />
saidumlo werilebs ugzavnida, sadac<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovan detalebzea<br />
saubari.<br />
xazgasmiT vacxadeb, rom saqar-<br />
Tvelos winaaRmdeg omi ruseTma<br />
2008 wlis agvistoSi ki ara, saqarTvelos<br />
damoukideblobis gamocxadebis<br />
pirvelsave dRes daiwyo!<br />
Sesabamisad, rusuli mxaris mier<br />
gavrcelebuli Teza, rom saqarTvelom<br />
SeiaraRebuli konfliqti<br />
aSS-is saelCosa da, metic, aSSis<br />
maSindel prezident buSis uSualo<br />
waqezebiT daiwyo, tyuilia!<br />
„vikiliqsis” dokumentacia sapirispiros<br />
amtkicebs da teftis<br />
mier Tbilisidan vaSingtonSi gagzavnili<br />
werilebidan naTlad Cans<br />
SeSfoTeba imis gamo, rac saqarTveloSi<br />
im dros xdeboda”, _ eubne-<br />
ba „qronika+~-s uSiSroebis Ta-<br />
darigis polkovniki konstantine<br />
forCxiZe.<br />
misive TqmiT, agvistos xuTdRiani<br />
omi wyalgamyofi iyo, romli-<br />
Tac msoflios is wesrigi dairRva,<br />
romelic meore msoflio omis<br />
Semdeg, e. w. ialtis konferenciaze<br />
dadginda:<br />
„ruseTis federaciis mier afxazeTisa<br />
da e. w. samxreT oseTis,<br />
rogorc damoukidebeli saxelmwifoebis<br />
aRiarebiT, wiTeli xazebi<br />
gadaikveTa, rasac ruseTis mxridan<br />
ukve yirimis mierTeba moyva.<br />
ise, pirdapir ver vityvi, rom<br />
agvistos omi msoflios gavlenianma<br />
specsamsaxurebma dagegmes, magram<br />
yvela versia im gadasaxedidan<br />
unda avagoT, Tu vis awyobda avadsaxsenebeli<br />
agvistos movlenebi.<br />
maSinac da axlac naTlad Canda da<br />
Cans, rom es omi ruseTs awyobda”,<br />
_ acxadebs qarTveli specsamsaxureli.<br />
ra Sedegi moutana agvistos xu-<br />
TdRianma omma ruseTs da, zogadad,<br />
msoflios?<br />
agvistos omidan erTi wlis<br />
Semdeg saqarTvelosa da ruseTis<br />
avtoritetuli specialisti edvard<br />
lukasi „radio Tavisufle-<br />
bas” etyvis:<br />
„vfiqrob, agvistos omiT raRac<br />
yvelam moigo da yvelam raRac waago.<br />
Cemi azriT, ruseTma SeZlo imis<br />
Cveneba, rom SeuZlia, mwvave konfrontaciaze<br />
wavides da mas Tavi<br />
gaarTvas. amiT dairRva garkveuli<br />
tabu, romelic manamde arsebobda.<br />
aseve gamoCnda, rom evropis kavSiri<br />
Zalze daqsaqsulia saimisod,<br />
rom am konfrontaciisTvis, mar-<br />
Tlac, seriozuli frontiT gaeca<br />
pasuxi. meore mxriv, vfiqrob,<br />
ruseTma garkveuli ziani miayena<br />
gare samyaroSi Tavis imijs. Sesa-<br />
Zloa, erTgvarad Semcirda ruse-<br />
Tis ndobac. Tavidan saqarTvelo<br />
omis mxverplad iyo miCneuli da<br />
amiT cota moigo, magram mogvianebiT,<br />
propagandistul brZola-<br />
Si, wageba daiwyo”.<br />
am propagandistuli omis wagebaSi<br />
ki garkveuli roli, cxadia, im<br />
qarTvelebmac iTamaSes, romlebic<br />
werilis dasawyisSi vaxseneT da<br />
omis dawyebaSi imTaviTve saqarTvelos<br />
adanaSaulebdnen, magram gava<br />
dro da ruseTisadmi, minimum, loialurad<br />
ganwyobili es kasta aRaravis<br />
emaxsovreba an, ufro sworad,<br />
am kastas yvela uaryofiT konteqstSi<br />
gaixsenebs. samagierod, giorgi<br />
anwuxeliZis, Sindisis mebrZolebisa<br />
da agvistos omis sxva gmirebis<br />
saxelebi ki Taobidan Taobas<br />
gadaecema! diax, agvistos omis qar-<br />
Tveli gmirebiT Cveni Svilebi da<br />
SviliSvilebi iamayeben!<br />
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08.08.08. _ 11 weli... 11 wlis yov-<br />
eldRiuri tkivili „aq” _ saxlSi da... iq _ anu msoflioSi. ukve<br />
kargad esmiT da xedaven, rom ruseTis intervenciis mizani su-<br />
lac ar iyo „TavisuflebisTvis mebrZoli” afxazi da osi xalxis<br />
Tanadgoma. mizans mxolod saqarTvelos okupacia da qarTuli<br />
saxelmwifos mospoba warmoadgenda. axla ruseTi axal mzakvrobas<br />
axorcielebs _ CvenTvis gasul saukuneSi osebis genocidis dabralebis<br />
proceduras iwyebs da cxinvalis regionis „oficialu-<br />
rad” mierTebas apirebs. ra reaqcia eqnebaT „iq”? miT ufro mas<br />
Semdeg, rac yirimis aneqsiis gamo ruseTisTvis sanqciebis gagr-<br />
Zeleba ukve ararelevanturad miiCnies da gauuqmes.<br />
rogor minda, axla janmrTelad<br />
moazrovne oss vkiTxo, _ am TavisuflebisTvis<br />
„ibrZodiT”? igive ram<br />
afxazebs ukve vkiTxe, magram duman.<br />
da mainc vikiTxav: kremlis mier<br />
Sekerili Ceqmis qveS yofnaa TqvenTvis<br />
Tavisufleba?<br />
vinme darCa iseTi, visTvisac<br />
dRemde gaugebaria, rom 08.08.08-<br />
mde arsebuli viTareba ar iyo konfliqti<br />
eTnikur niadagze? rom es<br />
iyo politikuri konfliqti saqarTvelos<br />
teritoriebis dasapyrobad.<br />
Tumca sasargeblo Tu usargeblo<br />
idiotebs ra gamolevs amqveynad.<br />
08.08.08-is Semdeg dReebSi<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
dabombvis SesaZleblobebis ganxilvis<br />
Sesaxeb? axla ar movyvebi,<br />
ris fasad avicileT Tavidan es<br />
avantiura, ra Zalisxmeva hqonda am<br />
yvelaferSi eduard SevardnaZes,<br />
jeims beikersa da jor buS umcross.<br />
yvela WkuaTmyofelisTvis<br />
naTelia _ qarTuli saxelmwifos<br />
mospoba an misi damoneba putinis<br />
araTu ocneba, aramed ideafiqsi<br />
gaxda. diax, saxelmwifosi. rogorc<br />
vatyob, CvenSi dRemde ver gauvliaT<br />
zRvari qveyanasa da saxelmwifos<br />
Soris da es udidesi siglaxea.<br />
qveyana aq Temur lengma, jalaledinma,<br />
murvan yrum, stalinma<br />
ver mospes! _ saxelmwifo?..<br />
„iq” _ msoflioSi ki dumdnen an,<br />
ministrma buqarestamde karga xniT<br />
adre dausva wertili Tbilisisa<br />
da kievis imedebs da sxva uamravi<br />
garemoeba.<br />
„rac ar unda moemoqmeda saqar-<br />
Tvelos xelisuflebas, intervencia<br />
mainc ganxorcieldeboda”, _<br />
werda omis dasrulebis Semdeg<br />
rusi eqsperti pavel felgengaueri.<br />
provokacia... batono? provokacia?<br />
da Tu ruseTi mainc apirebda<br />
saqarTvelos teritoriis okupacias,<br />
maSin ras niSnavs provokacia?<br />
es mxolod diplomatiur<br />
enaze warmoTqmuli frazebia, romlis<br />
miRmac sxva simarTlea. am simarTleSi<br />
ki msoflio, ruseTis intervenciis<br />
Semdeg, dRiTi dRe rwmundeboda<br />
da sabolood darwmunda<br />
yirimSi...<br />
manamde ki iyo Sved diplomat<br />
haidi taliavnis „daskvna”... sadac<br />
am saerTaSoriso donis „eqspertgamomZiebelma”,<br />
sxva „didi donis”<br />
eqspertebTan erTad, Cawera da xelic<br />
moawera Semdeg sityvebs: „qarTvelebi,<br />
ruseTTan SedarebiT,<br />
ufro Zvel erad miiCneven Tavs”.<br />
anu Cven miviCnevT, Turme! xvdebiT?<br />
da am umecrebis Semdeg eg<br />
da mas saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi, SeiaraRebuli<br />
operaciebi ewarmoebina<br />
saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg”, _<br />
wers amJamad saqarTvelos parlamentis<br />
umravlesobis lideri,<br />
giorgi volski werilSi: „2008 wlis<br />
agvistos konfliqtis wina periodi,<br />
samSvidobo gegma da gamouyenebeli<br />
SesaZleblobebi”.<br />
saqarTveloSi arsebul konfliqtebSi<br />
Caxeduli eqspertebi Tanxmdebian<br />
imaze, rom saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebam mniSvnelovnad Seuwyo<br />
xeli ruseTs sakuTari zraxvebis<br />
ganxorcielebaSi da amis dasadastureblad<br />
ramdenime faqtori<br />
saxeldeba. kerZod, xelisufleba<br />
demonstraciulad gamoeTiSa eu-<br />
Tos mier dafinansebuli qarTulosuri<br />
konfliqtis mogvarebis gegmas;<br />
uari iTqva arsebul formatze;<br />
Secdomadaa miCneuli alternatiuli<br />
administraciis Seqmna<br />
dimitri sanakoevis meTaurobiT.<br />
„miuxedavad saerTaSoriso organizaciebisa<br />
da partniori qveynebis<br />
Txovnisa, saqarTvelos parlamentma<br />
miiRo dadgenileba konfliqtis<br />
zonebidan dsT-is samSvidobo<br />
Zalebis dauyovnebliv gayvanis<br />
Taobaze, ramac xeli Seuwyo<br />
omze dawerili erT-erTi publikaciidan.<br />
rame meSleba? ara! dasturad<br />
„gavrilovis provokaciac”<br />
kmara, romelmac TvalnaTliv gazoma<br />
swored es emocia, gancda da<br />
TviTSegneba. swored am movlenebisas<br />
davwere sityvebi „Tavisufleba<br />
yvelaze dardimani qarTvelisTvisac<br />
ki wiTeli xazia”...<br />
***<br />
Tu ramdenad da rogor sWirdebaT<br />
„iq” mavanT kremli saerTo<br />
safrTxeebis winaaRmdeg erToblivi<br />
brZolisTvis an ramdenad aris<br />
saWiro da misaRebi saqarTvelos<br />
prezidentisTvis an nebismieri<br />
moqalaqisTvis imis mtkiceba,<br />
rom omi saqarTvelom daiwyo,<br />
absurdia es msjeloba. „08.08.08"<br />
daiwyo ruseTma da kremls amaSi<br />
xeli imaT Seuwyves, vinc qarTuli<br />
mSvidobiani mosaxleobis dacvas,<br />
vimeoreb, dacvas (naxeT im dReebis<br />
qronikebi da gaiazreT, ramdeni<br />
moqalaqe dagvixoces, ramdeni sofeli<br />
dabombes, ramdeni daWres<br />
rusebma da separatistebma) araproporciuli<br />
Zalis gamoyeneba daarqva.<br />
swored es politikosebi,<br />
diplomatebi, saerTaSoriso eqspertebi,<br />
Sinauri idiotebi da mavn-<br />
08.08.08.<br />
afxazebisa da osebis 11 weli kremlis Ceqmis qveS...<br />
araerTi gamocema, politikosi,<br />
eqsperti, politologi amtkicebda,<br />
rom putini yvela SemTxvevaSi<br />
moaxdenda afxazeTisa da yofili<br />
samxreT oseTis okupacias.<br />
maSin, 2008 wels, agvistos omis<br />
Semdeg, erTi Tvec ar iyo gasuli,<br />
ruseTis prezidentma medvedevma<br />
ganacxada, buqarestSi CvenTvis<br />
map-isc rom moecaT, samxedro moqmedebisgan<br />
mainc ar Seikavebda<br />
Tavs. axsovs dRes vinmes, rom kosovos<br />
damoukideblobis gamocxadebisa<br />
da misi aRiarebis Semdeg ruseTis<br />
imperatorma, vladimir putinma,<br />
lamis daifica, rom „yovelive<br />
saTanado pasuxis gareSe ar<br />
darCeboda” da pirdapiri gancxadebebi<br />
keTdeboda postsabWoTa<br />
sivrceSi da gansakuTrebiT saqarTveloSi<br />
separatistuli xelisuflebebis<br />
mxardaWeraze.<br />
da es yvelaferi 2008 wels ar<br />
dawyebula. arc 2001-Si, niu-iork-<br />
Si „tyupebze” da, ara mxolod, mitanili<br />
Sturmis Semdeg... maSin<br />
ruseTis prezidentma v. v. putinma<br />
msoflios nomer pirveli teroristi<br />
pankisis xeobaSi „ipova” da<br />
saqarTvelos lamis msoflio terorizmis<br />
buded asaxelebda. is Tu<br />
gaxsovT, swored maSin telekamerebis<br />
win rom aZlevda davalebas rus<br />
generlebs saqarTvelos sahaero<br />
ukeTes SemTxvevaSi, „aRSfoTebasa<br />
Tu SeSfoTebas gamoxatavdnen” da<br />
mxareebs dialogisken mogviwodebdnen.<br />
magram mxared ruseTs<br />
ki ara, sajarod separatistul regionebs<br />
asaxelebdnen. Cumad, _<br />
yurSi gveubnebodnen, _ provokacias<br />
ar wamoegoTo, Torem provokaciis<br />
momwyobTan xan energetikuli,<br />
xan geostrategiuli, xanac<br />
situaciuri flirti hqondaT.<br />
da mainc, buSis administraciis<br />
udidesi fiasko iyo buqarestis<br />
samiti. safrangeT-germaniis xeliT<br />
mougo ruseTma maSin aSS-s saqarTvelosTvis<br />
map-is miniWebis sakiTxis<br />
Cagdeba. im safrangeTis, romelic<br />
aSS-is saxelmwifos formireba-<br />
Si nomer pirveli wvlili Seitana<br />
damfuZnebel mamebTan erTad. Tumca<br />
vis axsovda maSin, 2008 wels an<br />
axla vis axsovs parizSi Jilber la<br />
faieti an mosawyeni lui XVI…<br />
***<br />
rogorc ki gegma sabolood<br />
damuSavda, ruseTi moqmedebaze<br />
gadavida. miT ufro, rom viTareba<br />
misTvis saxarbielo iyo _ wamsvleli<br />
buSi, garantirebuli mxardaWera<br />
kancler merkelisgan, romelsac<br />
buqarestSi pirnaTlad hqonda<br />
Sesrulebuli sakuTari piroba-operacia,<br />
mokavSired miCneuli nikola<br />
sarkozi, romlis Tavdacvis<br />
daskvna rame Rirebuls warmoadgens?<br />
ver mixvdiT? taliavinis<br />
mixedviT, is, rom Zveli eri varT,<br />
faqti ki araa, ase Cven miviCnevT.<br />
maxsovs, maSin amaze davwere: „radgan<br />
erT SemTxvevaSi dasaSvebia<br />
varaudebi, maSin, albaT, qalbatoni<br />
taliavini arc imis uflebas<br />
wagvarTmevs, rom miviCnoT _ man an<br />
misi komisiis wevrebma ver gauZles<br />
21-e saukuneSi arsebuli imperiisgan<br />
momaval cdunebebs? Tu mas<br />
aqvs varaudis ufleba faqtebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, Cvenc gvaqvs igive<br />
ufleba qmedebebTan mimarTebiT.<br />
Tu am SemTxvevaSic ormagi standarti<br />
moqmedebs?..”<br />
gagaxsenebT, rom 2004 wlis Semdeg,<br />
gansakuTrebiT cxinvalis mimarTulebiT,<br />
viTareba sakmaod<br />
pozitiurad icvleboda. saerTa-<br />
Soriso CarTulobam ganapiroba<br />
ruseTis met-naklebi dabalanseba,<br />
rac uTuod iwvevda kremlis gaRizianebas.<br />
„aSS-is, natosa da evrokavSiris<br />
politikasTan efeqtiani dapirispirebisTvis<br />
ruseTisTvis strategiul<br />
amocanad iqca samSvidobo<br />
procesis aseTi tendenciiT ganvi-<br />
Tarebis SeCereba, cisferi Cafxutebisa<br />
da, Sesabamisad, saerTa-<br />
Soriso pasuxismgeblobis mocileba,<br />
rac, amave dros, xels gauxsni-<br />
ruseTis ganTavisuflebas valdebulebisgan<br />
da gaarTula masTan<br />
dasavleli partniorebis konstruqciuli<br />
urTierToba”, _ acxadebs<br />
volski imave werilSi.<br />
da amis miuxedavad, putinis gegmebis<br />
CasaSlelad saqarTvelos<br />
xelisuflebas romc emoqmeda „xu-<br />
Tosani biWis” reJimSi, romelsac<br />
arc Tavazianoba SeeSleboda, arc<br />
taqti da zrdiloba, arc eTikis<br />
normebs daarRvevda, daicavda diplomatiur<br />
etiketsac _ amas Sedegi<br />
ar mohyveboda.<br />
„dasavleTSi ver gaiges an ar<br />
undaT gaigon, rom problemas ar<br />
warmoadgens saqarTvelos xelisufleba.<br />
adrec aRvniSne, rom kreml-<br />
Si arc SevardnaZe exatebodaT<br />
gulze. ruseTisTvis problema iyo<br />
da aris Tavad saqarTvelo, misi geopolitikuri<br />
mdebareoba, demokratiis<br />
sasargeblod gakeTebuli<br />
arCevani, dasavluri orientacia<br />
da qarTveli adamianis _ saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqis mentaloba, romlisTvisac<br />
Tavisufleba imaze metad<br />
aRmatebuli raobaa, vidre TviT<br />
demokratia. qarTvelisTvis Tavisufleba<br />
ar iwyeba normiTa da dogmiT.<br />
qarTvelisTvis Tavisufleba<br />
iwyeba rwmeniTa da saqarTvelo-<br />
Ti da es aris genetikuri kodi”, _<br />
es ki Cemi mosazrebaa 2008 wlis<br />
eblebi okupaciis Tanamonawileni<br />
arian. erTni garantirebuli Tbili<br />
zamTris, meoreni msoflios sxvadasxva<br />
wertilSi Seqmnili problemebis<br />
damoukideblad gadawyvetis<br />
unaris arqonis, mesameni ki sakuTari<br />
gamorCenisa da angarebis<br />
gamo.<br />
ase ar aris? sxva Tu araferi,<br />
gana blefi ar aRmoCnda ruseTis<br />
propagandistuli manqanis agorebuli<br />
informacia _ Tavad prezident<br />
medvedevis mier gaxmovanebuli,<br />
qarTvelebis mier 2000 osi mSvidobiani<br />
moqalaqis daxocvis Sesaxeb,<br />
ramac TiTqosda aiZula kremli,<br />
„araproporciuli Zala” gamoeyenebina.<br />
gaxsovT, rogor daijeres<br />
da aqac daijereT bevrma es<br />
yvelaferi? Sedegi? okupirebuli<br />
qarTuli teritoriebi.<br />
***<br />
da mainc, ar viRlebi gavimeoro:<br />
„08.08.08 saqarTvelos gadarCenili<br />
Tavisufleba da Rirsebaa. es Tavisufleba<br />
ki Tanabrad ekuTvnis afxazsac<br />
da ossac”. odesme, da es odesme<br />
iqneba male, isini mixvdebian,<br />
rom naurus aRiareba srulebiTac<br />
ar aris Tavisufleba da imasac,<br />
rom damoukidebeli saxelmwifos<br />
araTu ganviTareba, aramed arsebobac<br />
ki SeuZlebelia kremlSi Sekerili<br />
Ceqmis qveS.<br />
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Tengiz abloTia<br />
laris kursi amyarebs antirekordebs _ maSinac ki, rodesac<br />
is iwyebs dastabilurebasa da gamyarebas, is mainc ar ubrunde-<br />
ba niSnuls, saidanac daiwyo devalvacia. nebismieri axali kur-<br />
si aris mxolod 3-4-Tviani Sesveneba momdevno dasustebis win.<br />
mizezi saxeldeba uamravi _<br />
dawyebuli sagareo valebis gastumrebis<br />
periodiT, damTavrebuli<br />
TurqeTisa da ruseTis ukvdavi<br />
da fataluri zemoqmedebiT.<br />
bolo periodSi daemata rusuli<br />
sanqciebi da saprotesto aqcia<br />
rusTavelze.<br />
am dros aravis uCndeba azri,<br />
rom aranormaluria Tavad is<br />
faqti, rom ai, ukve amdeni welia,<br />
qveyana jiutad aris Camokidebuli<br />
sxvisi valutis kursze. an im<br />
ekonomikas ra vuTxari, romelic<br />
imis gamo CamoiSleba, rom viRaca<br />
turizmi, tranziti, da a. S.<br />
kargi iqneboda, ase rom yofiliyo,<br />
Tumca realoba gviCvenebs,<br />
rom sinamdvileSi, dResac,<br />
maRali teqnologiebisa da programuli<br />
uzrunvelyofis xanaSic<br />
ki, ganviTarebuli qveynebis ekonomikebs<br />
didwilad qmnis is, rac<br />
50 wlis winaT qmnida: metalurgia,<br />
manqanaTmSenebloba, sayofacxovrebo<br />
teqnika da a. S. erTi sityviT,<br />
tradiciuli, XX saukunis,<br />
mamapapuri industria.<br />
imis miuxedavad, rom evropamac<br />
da amerikamac mrewvelobis<br />
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amerikelebi usaqmod sxedan _<br />
evrokavSiri awarmoebs weliwadSi<br />
16,9 mln. avtomobils, aSS ki _ 8<br />
mln.-s.<br />
aseTive suraTia industriis<br />
sxva dargebSi _ CineTis raodenobrivi<br />
liderobis miuxedavad,<br />
evropaSic da amerikaSic qarxnebi<br />
agrZeleben muSaobas da qmnian<br />
asobiT miliardi dolaris<br />
produqcias.<br />
metic, qveynebi, romelTa warmateba<br />
msoflioSi pirvel rigSi<br />
asocirdeba servisTan, vaWrobasTan,<br />
finansebTan da logistikasTan,<br />
sinamdvileSi, amave dros,<br />
msxvili mwarmoeblebi arian.<br />
magaliTad, singapuris mxolod<br />
maRalteqnologiuri saqonlis<br />
eqsporti aWarbebs 136 mlrd.<br />
yofeba saqarTvelo, Tavis 3<br />
mlrd.-iani eqsportiT, romlis<br />
erTi didi nawilia avtomobilebis<br />
reeqsporti, xolo meore _<br />
tradiciuli produqciis eqsporti<br />
ruseTSi, romelic 1 wamSi Sei-<br />
Zleba Caiketos.<br />
Tumca es araa erTaderTi problema<br />
_ am SemaSfoTebel cifrebs<br />
amZafrebs isic, rom adgilobrivi<br />
mrewveloba, isic ki, romelic<br />
arsebobs, faqtobrivad,<br />
didwilad aris SeniRbuli importi.<br />
saqarTveloSi „adgilobrivi”<br />
rZis nawarmi mTlianad Sedgeba<br />
importirebuli masalebisgan _<br />
dawyebul rZis fxvniliT, damTavrebuli<br />
SefuTviT. saqarTvelo-<br />
Si „adgilobrivi” Sokoladi mza-<br />
kviprosi (650 000), Cernogoria<br />
(620 000), malta (400 000) da a. S.<br />
Tumca arc isini arian mxolod<br />
turistebis imedad _ patara<br />
kviprosis sasaqonlo eqsporti<br />
Seadgens 3,5 mlrd. dolars _<br />
TiTqmis imdenives, ramdenic aqvs<br />
3,7-milionian saqarTvelos.<br />
SedarebiT mravalricxovani<br />
qveynebi, romelTa ekonomikaSi<br />
turizms didi adgili uWiravs _<br />
saboloo jamSi, mainc aviTareben<br />
warmoebas. magaliTad, 11 mln.-iani<br />
saberZneTis samrewvelo eqsporti<br />
Seadgens weliwadSi 30<br />
mlrd. dolars. qveyana yidis<br />
ucxoeTSi ara mxolod forToxalsa<br />
da zeTisxils, rogorc<br />
bevrs warmoudgenia, aramed nav-<br />
Tobproduqtebs, wamlebs, sam-<br />
seriali<br />
`bedi<br />
larisa~<br />
Cajda araswor savarZelSi _ yovel<br />
SemTxvevaSi, es namdvilad ar<br />
warmoaCens xelisuflebas kargi<br />
kuTxiT.<br />
aseve Rimilis momgvrelia ma-<br />
RalCinosnebis gakvirvebuli saxeebi<br />
da erTi da igive teqsti,<br />
romelic wlebia, ar icvleba _<br />
„fundamenturi faqtorebi srul<br />
wesrigSia, amitomac laris kursi<br />
unda iyos stabiluri”.<br />
unda iyos, ki batono, magram<br />
ar aris... etyoba larma araferi<br />
icis SesaniSnavi „fundamenturi<br />
faqtorebis” Sesaxeb.<br />
Tumca, am yvelafris miuxedavad,<br />
ar iqneba swori mxolod<br />
mTavroba davadanaSauloT, rogorc<br />
esaa miRebuli saqarTvelo-<br />
Si. ra Tqma unda, masac ekisreba<br />
Tavisi wili pasuxismgebloba _<br />
investiciebis Semcirebis, msxvili<br />
energoproeqtebis CaSlis, biznesklimatis<br />
gauaresebisa da<br />
wlis manZilze biujetis araTanmimdevruli<br />
xarjebis gamo.<br />
Tumca arsebobs mTavari, yvelaze<br />
mniSvnelovani, fundamenturi<br />
faqtori, romelic aris<br />
mudmivi devalvaciis mTavari wyaro<br />
_ susti ekonomika da TiTqmis<br />
nulovani warmoeba.<br />
arsebobs azri, rom 21-e saukuneSi<br />
industriam dakarga is mniSvneloba,<br />
romelic mas hqonda,<br />
sul raRac, 30-40 wlis winaT da<br />
amitom SesaZlebelia ekonomikis<br />
ganviTareba arasawarmoo dargebis<br />
xarjze: finansebi, servisi,<br />
didi nawili aziis qveynebSi gadaitanes,<br />
warmodgena, TiTqos isini<br />
ukve arafers awarmoeben da mxolod<br />
maRal teqnologiebsa da<br />
servisze gadavidnen _ arasworia.<br />
magaliTad, ekonomikis iseTi<br />
tradiciuli dargi, rogoric avtomrewvelobaa,<br />
dResac rCeba<br />
ganviTarebuli qveynebis ekonomikebis<br />
kvakuTxedi. amaze metyvelebs<br />
elementaruli statistika _<br />
CineTi marTlac aris msoflios<br />
umsxvilesi avtomwarmoebeli _<br />
23,5 mln. avtomobili, Tumca aravis<br />
egonos, rom evropelebi da<br />
dolars weliwadSi, mTliani ki _<br />
320 mlrd.-s, hon-kongis eqsporti<br />
Seadgens 135 mlrd. dolars,<br />
es rom araferi vTqvaT evropaze,<br />
romelic tradiciulad dgas<br />
mrewvelobaze.<br />
magaliTad, patara slovenia,<br />
romlis mosaxleobac Seadgens<br />
mxolod 2,5 mln. adamians, eqsportze<br />
agzavnis 28 mlrd. dolaris<br />
produqcias, xolo 1,9 -milioniani<br />
postsabWoTa latvia _ 16<br />
mlrd.-s.<br />
am fonze naTlad Cans im ormos<br />
siRrme da sibnele, sadac im-<br />
ddeba belgiuri masalisgan, romelic<br />
warmoqmnis TviTRirebulebis<br />
did nawils. saqarTveloSi<br />
„adgilobrivi” Rvinoc ki didwilad<br />
moixmars ucxour SesafuT<br />
masalebs.<br />
faqtobrivad, qveyanaSi ver<br />
moZebniT ver erT warmoebul<br />
produqts, romlis warmoebaSi<br />
gadamwyveti Tu ara, yovel SemTxvevaSi,<br />
didi nawili ar aris mibmuli<br />
importTan _ avejis warmoeba<br />
_ ucxouri xis masala, metalurgia<br />
_ ucxouri nedleuli,<br />
cementi _ importuli klinkeri<br />
da a. S.<br />
ra Tqma unda, ucxouri valutis<br />
Semodinebis sxva wyaroebic<br />
arsebobs samrewvelo eqsportis<br />
garda, magaliTad, turizmi, romelsac<br />
qveyanaSi 3-dan 4 mlrd.<br />
dolaramde Semoaqvs. es sakmarisia<br />
imisTvis, rom dRes lari iyos<br />
2,9 da ara 290, Tumca praqtika<br />
gviCvenebs, rom qveynebi, romlebic<br />
cxovroben ZiriTadad turizmis<br />
xarjze, saqarTveloze bevrad<br />
mcire mosaxleobiT arian:<br />
Seneblo masalebs, foladis<br />
milebs, alumins, gemebsa da avtomobilebs.<br />
Sesabamisad, saqarTvelos ar<br />
gaaCnia winsvlis arc erTi Sansi<br />
seriozuli mrewvelobis gareSe,<br />
romelsac ver Secvlis verc<br />
turizmi, verc tranziti, ver energetika<br />
da verc sxva rame.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, naTelia<br />
amocanis warmoudgeneli sirTule<br />
_ industriis awyoba qveyanaSi,<br />
romelsac ar gaaCnia arc industriuli<br />
tradiciebi, arc Sesabamisi<br />
Sromis kultura da arc<br />
aucilebeli ganaTlebis done.<br />
saqarTvelo amoZvreba ormodan<br />
mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, Tu<br />
Seicvleba Tavidan bolomde, yofiTi<br />
wes-CveulebebiT dawyebuli,<br />
erovnuli faseulobebiT damTavrebuli.<br />
amis gakeTeba ar SeuZlia<br />
arc erT calke aRebul mTavrobas.<br />
es aris Taobebis sakiTxi.<br />
amitomac, moimarageT popkorni<br />
_ saTavgadasavlo seriali<br />
„bedi larisa” kidev didxans gagrZeldeba.<br />
`im ekonomikas ra<br />
vuTxari, romelic<br />
imis gamo CamoiSleba,<br />
rom viRaca Cajda<br />
araswor savarZelSi~<br />
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energodamoukidebloba _ miTi Tu<br />
levan qemokliZe<br />
593 16 01 40<br />
energodamoukidebloba?<br />
„qronika+~-is kiTxvebs iuristma<br />
dimitri toraZem upa-<br />
suxa:<br />
_ b-no dimitri, Tqven xSir-<br />
ad ambobT, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
aucilebelia hesebis mSeneblo-<br />
ba, Tumca mosaxleobas eSinia,<br />
rom hidroeleqtrosadgurebi<br />
ara energodamoukideblobisa<br />
da progresis momtania, aramed<br />
bunebis ganadgurebas emsaxureba<br />
da xalxis janmrTelobas sa-<br />
frTxes uqmnis. ganvumartoT<br />
Cvens mkiTxvels, ratom fiqr-<br />
obT, rom hesebis mSenebloba<br />
aucilebelia?<br />
_ hesebis mSenebloba Cveni<br />
qveynisTvis prioriteti unda<br />
iyos. „erovnuli moZraobis”<br />
gariJraJze skola axali damTavrebuli<br />
mqonda da vxedavdi,<br />
vinc politikaSi imkvidrebda<br />
adgils, hesebis mSeneblobas ewinaaRmdegeboda.<br />
mesmoda, rom es<br />
ekologiur katastrofas iwvevda.<br />
im dros mec meCveneboda,<br />
rom isini erovnul saqmes akeTebdnen.<br />
amis Semdeg am mimarTulebiT<br />
saerTaSoriso proeqtebze<br />
muSaoba momiwia, viyavi adgilobrivi<br />
eqsperti iuridiul doneze<br />
da iuridiuli sakiTxebis<br />
kvlevis dros yvela teqnikur<br />
sakiTxs vexebodi. aRmovaCine,<br />
rom, realurad, yvelaferi sxvagvarad<br />
iyo, _ hesebi, es aris<br />
ganaxlebad energiaze momuSave<br />
sainJinro nageboba, romelsac<br />
Semdeg sxva mniSvnelovani benefitebi<br />
moyveba. aviRoT engurhesi:<br />
garda imisa, rom is eleqtrosadguria,<br />
mas aseve SeuZlia<br />
sezonuri wyaltevadobis Senar-<br />
Cuneba, rac imas niSnavs, rom is<br />
raRac raodenobis wyals akavebs<br />
ramdenad sWirdeba saqarTve-<br />
los hesebis aSeneba da realurad<br />
SegviZlia Tu ara alternatiuli<br />
energowyaroebidan movipovoT<br />
da Semdeg iyenebs, roca wyaluxvoba<br />
ukve aRar aris. ratom gaaCeres<br />
namoxvanhesis mSenebloba,<br />
aravin ar icis... mniSvnelovania<br />
aseTi obieqtebis mSenebloba.<br />
hesebs piriqiT, stiqiis prevenciac<br />
SeuZlia. absoluturad<br />
yvela is eqsperti, vinc acxadebs,<br />
rom TiTqos hidroeleqtrosadgurs<br />
qveynisTvis ekologiuri<br />
ziani moaqvs, maTi kompetencia,<br />
rbilad rom vTqvaT,<br />
saeWvoa.<br />
_ Tumca riskebsac ver gamovricxavT,<br />
romelic, realu-<br />
rad, namdvilad SeiZleba iyos<br />
safrTxe...<br />
_ es daTvladi riskebia da<br />
yvelaferi, rac daTvladia, SesaZlebelia<br />
misi prevenciac. saqarTveloSi<br />
rasac „sarkis zedapirs”<br />
eZaxian, anu rasac wyali<br />
ikavebs, imdenad patara moculobisaa,<br />
rom aranair risks ar<br />
warmoqmnis. umetesad gvaqvs xeobebi<br />
da realurad iq vakeTebT<br />
sainJinro nagebobebs, keTdeba<br />
wylis rezervuari da, ase vTqvaT,<br />
Semdeg danarCeni wyali unda<br />
mivmarToT kalapotSi. Tu<br />
sworad dagegmardeba, ra Tqma<br />
unda, ekologiur katastrofas<br />
ar gamoiwvevs da vimeoreb, ekonomiuri<br />
efeqtianobis momtanic<br />
iqneba. metic: SeiZleba, raRac<br />
moculobis xe-tye gaiCexos, Tumca<br />
isic ki regeneracias ganicdis<br />
wyalsacavis irgvliv ganvi-<br />
Tarebis pirobebSi da ukeTes<br />
tyes vRebulobT.<br />
is eqspertebi, romlebic sawinaaRmdegos<br />
acxadeben da adamianebi,<br />
vinc maT ujerebs, arc<br />
erTi maTgani ar aris namyofi<br />
SveicariaSi. kargi, batono, ana-<br />
`hesebi, es aris ganaxlebad energiaze momuSave<br />
sainJinro nageboba, romelsac Semdeg sxva<br />
mniSvnelovani benefitebi moyveba. aviRoT<br />
engurhesi: garda imisa, rom is<br />
eleqtrosadguria, mas aseve SeuZlia sezonuri<br />
wyaltevadobis SenarCuneba, rac imas niSnavs,<br />
rom is raRac raodenobis wyals akavebs da<br />
Semdeg iyenebs, roca wyaluxvoba ukve aRar<br />
aris. ratom gaaCeres namoxvanhesis<br />
mSenebloba, aravin ar icis... mniSvnelovania<br />
aseTi obieqtebis mSenebloba. hesebs piriqiT,<br />
stiqiis prevenciac SeuZlia. absoluturad<br />
yvela is eqsperti, vinc acxadebs, rom TiTqos<br />
hidroeleqtrosadgurs qveynisTvis<br />
ekologiuri ziani moaqvs, maTi kompetencia,<br />
rbilad rom vTqvaT, saeWvoa~<br />
dimitri toraZe:<br />
`ratom unda vixdideT<br />
Cveni resursebis<br />
patronebi did fuls,<br />
roca SegviZlia, piriqiT<br />
_ eqsportiori gavxdeT<br />
da ekonomikurad<br />
gavZlierdeT~<br />
nurSi wavidnen da iq naxon, daaziana<br />
Tu ara garemo wyalsacavma?!<br />
piriqiT, ufro lamazi landSafti<br />
Seqmna, buneba absoluturad<br />
mimzdivelia ara marto<br />
im saqmisTvis, risTvisac aSenda,<br />
aramed turizmis ganviTarebisTvis<br />
araCveulebrivi infrastruqtura<br />
Seqmna. saqarTvelo-<br />
Si hidroresursebis mxolod<br />
20%-ia aTvisebuli, SveicariaSi<br />
ki 80%-mdea da minda, rom<br />
saqarTveloc ise ganviTardes,<br />
rogorc _ Sveicaria.<br />
_ igive eqspertebi xSirad<br />
mianiSneben, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
aris Zveli hesebi, romlebsac<br />
ganaxleba esaWiroeba...<br />
_ es imas ar niSnavs, rom axali<br />
ar unda aSendes. kidev erTxel<br />
gavimeoreb: eqspertebi, romlebic<br />
amboben, rom hesebi ar<br />
unda aSendes, maTi kompetencia<br />
Zalian saeWvoa da iciT, ratom?<br />
_ faqtia, saqarTveloSi wlidan<br />
wlamde izrdeba eleqtroenergiis<br />
moxmareba, mxolod bolo<br />
sami Tvis monacemebiT es zrda,<br />
daaxloebiT, 5%-ia da 10 weliwadSi<br />
Cveni gamomuSavebuli sistemis<br />
naxevari iqneba. saqarTveloSi<br />
energosistema deficituria,<br />
dRes SeiZleba ar gvaqvs<br />
deficiti, magram zamTarSi uares<br />
dReSi viqnebiT. bolo samma<br />
weliwadma gviCvena, rom energiis<br />
moxmareba stabilurad mzardia<br />
da Cvens sistemas aucileblad<br />
sWirdeba meti gastabilureba.<br />
_ xSirad apelireben energi-<br />
is alternatiul wyaroebze,<br />
rac naklebad abinZurebs gare-<br />
mos. energiis alternatiuli<br />
wyaroebis ra resursi gvaqvs,<br />
romlis gamoyenebac SegviZlia?<br />
_ pirvel rigSi aviRoT qaris<br />
energia: Cven ukve gvaqvs 21-megavatiani<br />
sistema gorSi da samasiani<br />
Sendeba saCxereSi. es kargia,<br />
magram misi moculoba ar Sei-<br />
Zleba, saerTo energosistemaSi<br />
Zalian didi iyos. da Tu qari ar<br />
iqneba erT dRes, ra vqnaT? igi<br />
arastabiluria, es SeiZleba<br />
iyos sistemis Semadgeneli nawili,<br />
magram ara ZiriTadi. imisTvis,<br />
rom sistema Zlieri gqondes<br />
da energodamoukidebeli<br />
qveyana iyo, sistemis generacia<br />
unda xdebodes ganaxlebadi energiebiT<br />
da Cven amis udidesi<br />
potenciali gvaqvs. Zalian<br />
ioli saTqmelia, rom ar gvinda<br />
komunisturi warsuli, ki batono,<br />
ar gvinda, magram dRes<br />
varT swored komunistur warsulSi<br />
da Tu im warsulidan SegviZlia<br />
miviRoT is sasargeblo<br />
ekonomikuri nawili, ratom ar<br />
unda gamoviyenoT? RvTis madliT<br />
saqarTvelos hidroresursi<br />
Seswavlilia, absoluturad<br />
yvela mdinare gamokvleulia.<br />
gasagebia, SeiZleba ifiqro, rom<br />
imdroindel ruseTs ar ainteresebda<br />
Cveni ekologia, magram<br />
rac mTavaria, hidroresursebi<br />
gvaqvs Seswavlili da modi, gaakeTe<br />
dRes Sen misi segregacia,<br />
gamoyavi is, rac ekologias metad<br />
azianebs da moixmare is danarCeni,<br />
rac xels Seuwyobs energodamoukideblobas<br />
da amaze<br />
uaris Tqma SeiZleba?! Tu romelime<br />
eqsperti amaze ityvis, ar<br />
gavakeToTo, e. i. mas ar esmis<br />
`Cven hidroeleqtrosadgurebi<br />
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realoba, investicia Tu safrTxe?<br />
saqmis arsi! dRes yvelaferi<br />
mibmulia ekonomikaze, energetika<br />
ki yvelafris mamoZravebeli<br />
Zalaa da Cven es gvWirdeba, ar<br />
unda viyoT damokidebuli sxvaze,<br />
Tundac imitom, rom unda<br />
gavixsenoT, ra mdgomareoba gvaqvs<br />
ruseTTan da azerbaijanTan!<br />
wels TurqeTma yvelaze didi<br />
TaRovani kaSxlis mSnebloba<br />
daiwyo, albaT kavkasiaSi yvelaze<br />
didi, engurzec sakmaod didi<br />
da erTi kvira zeimobdnen. is<br />
dRe ki, rodesac es gadawyvetileba<br />
miiRes, samudamod gamoacxades<br />
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_ momavalze.<br />
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rusuli saeklesio cxovrebidan momdinareobs.<br />
aqedan moyolebuli, mkvidrdeba es araswori<br />
termini da instituti qarTul saeklesio<br />
sinamdvileSi, ris mixedviTac yoveli<br />
patriarqisTvis misi mosaydrec ganisazRvreboda~<br />
drosac ki, episkoposi adgilobrivi<br />
eklesiisTvis ki ar moqmedebs,<br />
aramed eklesia moqmedebs<br />
sakuTari Tavis e. i.<br />
episkoposis meSveobiT.<br />
_ ambobT, rom episkopossa<br />
da adgilobriv eklesias Soris<br />
imgvari erToba da kavSiria,<br />
rogorc qristesa da eklesias<br />
Soris?<br />
_ diax, SeuZlebelia qristesa<br />
da eklesiis ganyofa. eklesiis<br />
„ego” aris ieso qriste. Sesabamisad,<br />
rogorc ieso qristes<br />
sZalia eklesia, msgavsad episkoposis<br />
sZalia misi adgilobrivi<br />
eklesiac. Sesabamisad, episkopossa<br />
da mis adgilobriv eklesias<br />
Soris arsebobs erTgvari<br />
erToba, msgavsi qorwinebisa.<br />
rodesac episkoposi romelime<br />
adgilobrivi eklesiis Tavad<br />
gamoirCeva, xdeba misi „daqorwineba”,<br />
anu organuli, erT<br />
sxeulad SekavSireba am eklesiasTan.<br />
amitomacaa, rom episkoposis<br />
gardacvalebis SemTxveva-<br />
Si saeklesio terminiT mkacrad<br />
gansazRvrulad amboben, rom<br />
saydari daqvrivebulia da aramc<br />
da aramc carieli, radgan<br />
episkoposisa da misi adgilobrivi<br />
eklesiis urTierToba iseTia,<br />
rogorc qmarsa da cols<br />
Soris. am principidan gamomdinare,<br />
amgvari urTierTobis<br />
wesi kanonebiTac gamyarda. magaliTad<br />
pirveli msoflio<br />
krebis merve kanoni imperatiulad<br />
gansazRvravs, rom erT<br />
qalaqSi ori episkoposi ar Sei-<br />
Zleba, msgavsad, rogorc ar<br />
SeiZleba erT qals ori qmari<br />
hyavdes. nebismieri sxva episkoposi<br />
imave qalaqSi antikanonikuria<br />
da Tu msgavsi ram moxdeba,<br />
is umal gauqmebulad miiCneva.<br />
amitomac, diasporis eklesia,<br />
yvela SemTxvevaSi, Tanamedrove<br />
eresia, radgan erT qalaq-<br />
Si zog SemTxvevaSi orze meti<br />
da zogjerac aTamde episkoposi<br />
zis.<br />
_ amaze araerTi ganmarteba<br />
miuTiTebs, Tumca cxadia, rom<br />
es, rogorc aRniSne _ „Tanamedrove<br />
eresi” _ sakmaod fesvgadgmulia.<br />
magram mivubrun-<br />
deT mosaydris Temas...<br />
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mosaydresa~ da `patriarqis mosaydres~ Soris~<br />
_ naTelia, rom am principidan<br />
gamomdinare, SeuZlebelia<br />
saeklesio praqtikaSi mosaydris<br />
instituti yofiliyo, rac<br />
TavisTavSi ukve saeklesio taxtis<br />
an saydris mociles niSnavs.<br />
msgavsi fenomeni ar yofila<br />
arc erT saukuneSi da arc erT<br />
marTlmadidebel avtokefaliur<br />
eklesiaSi. Tu Cven vnaxavT<br />
yvela marTlmadidebeli eklesiis<br />
marTva-gamgeobis debulebebs,<br />
yvelgan naTlad da<br />
calsaxad weria, rom adgilis<br />
mcvels da ara mosaydres mxolod<br />
patriarqis gardacvalebis<br />
an gadadgomis Semdeg sinodis<br />
sxdomaze gamoirCeven.<br />
winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi umal<br />
pirveli msoflio krebis merve<br />
kanoni dairRveoda. uZveles<br />
eklesiebSi adgilis mcveli qirotoniiT<br />
uxucesi episkoposi<br />
xdeba, Tumca es ar aris savaldebulo.<br />
adgilis mcvelis funqcia<br />
axali patriarqis arCevnebis<br />
marTebulad Catarebis uzrunvelyofaa.<br />
mas ar aqvs ufleba,<br />
gansazRvros eklesiis mmar-<br />
Tvelobis mniSvnelovani sakiTxebi<br />
da miT umetes raime cvlileba<br />
mmarTvelobis debulebaSi.<br />
adgilis mcvels droebiT<br />
ukavia saepiskoposo saydari,<br />
vidre ar iqneba gamorCeuli<br />
axali patriarqi.<br />
_ es faqti, rom sxva marTlmadidebel<br />
eklesiebSi ar arse-<br />
bobs msgavsi instituti, ra<br />
Tqma unda, kiTxvebs warmoSobs<br />
imis Sesaxeb, Tu saidan Cndeba<br />
is saqarTvelos eklesiaSi?<br />
_ sainteresoa, rom 1917 wels<br />
saeklesio debulebaSi Cndeba<br />
ucnauri gansazRvra, rom „Tbileli<br />
mitropoliti, rogorc<br />
kaTolikosis uaxloesi adgilobrivi<br />
mRvdelmTavari, aris<br />
mosaydre kaTolikozisa”. maSin<br />
Tbileli mitropoliti leonide<br />
ganisazRvra kaTolikosis<br />
mosaydred. metic, Tavad mosaydreobis<br />
instituti iseTi absurdi<br />
da erTgvari neli moqmedebis<br />
naRmia, rom man saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis TviT gamoCenil<br />
mwyemsmTavrebs Sorisac gaaCina<br />
bzarebi, magaliTad kirionsa da<br />
leonides Soris; mizezi martivia,<br />
_ rodesac arsebobs cocxali<br />
patriarqi da mis gverdiTaa<br />
cocxali mosaydre, nebsiT<br />
Tu uneblieT, iqmneba orxelisuflebianobis<br />
gancda, rac<br />
upirvelesad Tavad am pirovnebebs,<br />
Semdeg ki saeklesio sisavses<br />
azianebs.<br />
am terminisa da institutis<br />
damkvidrebis momenti burusi-<br />
Taa moculi. masze pasuxi ar<br />
arsebobs, Tumca aSkaraa, rom<br />
misi fesvebi rusuli saeklesio<br />
cxovrebidan momdinareobs. aqedan<br />
moyolebuli, mkvidrdeba<br />
es araswori termini da instituti<br />
qarTul saeklesio sinamdvileSi,<br />
ris mixedviTac yoveli<br />
patriarqisTvis misi mosaydrec<br />
ganisazRvreboda. Tumca<br />
unda iTqvas, rom mosaydris<br />
statusis mqoneni zogjer ikav-<br />
`bevri am qmedebaSi ruseTis faqtors xedavs, rom momavali patriarqi<br />
ruseTTan daaxloebuli piri iyos, miT umetes, rom saamiso mizezi arsebobs<br />
im rusuli gavlenebis gamo, romelsac saqarTvelos eklesia ganicdis. amis<br />
dasadastureblad saqarTvelos eklesiis delegaciis kretis wminda da did<br />
krebaze wausvlelobac sakmarisia, riTac Cvenma eklesiam aSkara mxardaWera<br />
gamoucxada ruseTis eklesiis boikots, rom aRaraferi vTqvaT ukrainis<br />
avtokefaliis Sesaxeb, roca saqarTvelos sapatriarqos warmomadgenlebi<br />
erTi erTSi imeoreben ruseTis eklesiis warmomadgenelTa argumentebs<br />
ukrainis avtokefaliis sawinaaRmdegod~<br />
ebdnen sapatriarqo saydars da<br />
zogjer _ ara. sainteresoa, rom<br />
patriarq daviTis mosaydre iyo<br />
saqarTvelos axlandeli patriarqi<br />
da maSin cxum-afxazeTis<br />
mitropoliti ilia, rac 1977<br />
wlis 9 noembers aResrula, patriarq<br />
daviT mexuTis gardacvalebis<br />
Semdeg, sinodis sxdomaze.<br />
aqve aRvniSnavT, rom 1920<br />
wlis marTva-gamgeobis debulebaSi<br />
mosaydris gamorCeva kaTolikosis<br />
gardacvalebis Semdeg<br />
xdeba; aseve 1927 da 1937 wlebis<br />
marTva-gamgeobis debuleba-<br />
Si mosaydres patriarqis gardacvalebis<br />
an mZime avadmyofobis<br />
Semdeg gamoirCevdnen. amave<br />
debulebaSi weria, rom mosaydreoba<br />
uqmdeba, rodesac kaTolikos-patriarqi<br />
adgilzea.<br />
1995 wels marTva-gamgeobis<br />
debulebaSi ucnauri cvlileba<br />
Sedis: „sruliad saqarTvelos<br />
kaTolikos-patriarqis gardacvalebis,<br />
gadadgomis an sxva ise-<br />
Ti mizezis gamo, romelic Seu-<br />
Zlebels xdis kaTolikos-patriarqisaTvis<br />
Tavisi movaleobebis<br />
Sesrulebas, kaTolikospatriarqis<br />
mier dadgenili sapatriarqo<br />
taxtis mosaydre marTavs<br />
eklesias axali kaTolikos-patriarqis<br />
arCevamde”. rogorc<br />
vxedavT, debulebaSi „sapatriarqo<br />
taxtis mosaydre”<br />
weria, Tumca patriarqis 2017<br />
wlis 23 noembris brZanebaSi<br />
meufe Sios „patriarqis mosaydred”<br />
daniSvnas vxvdebiT. Seusabamoba<br />
aSkarad saxezea. Tumca<br />
piradad me, did gansxvavebas<br />
ver vxedav „sapatriarqo taxtis<br />
mosaydresa” da „patriarqis mosaydres”<br />
Soris, radgan orive<br />
SemTxveva winaaRmdegobaSia marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiis kanonebTan.<br />
_ davakonkretoT, ra winaaRmdegobebia<br />
1995 wlis mar-<br />
Tva-gamgeobis debulebis IV<br />
Tavis me-4 punqtSi, romelze-<br />
dac apeilreb?<br />
_ es muxli SeusabaobaSi modis<br />
ara mxolod saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis wina wlebis marTvagamgeobis<br />
debulebebTan, aramed<br />
marTlmadidebeli eklesiis<br />
kanonikur normebTanac, ker-<br />
Zod, antioqiis krebis 23-e kanoni<br />
imperatiulad ganaCinebs,<br />
rom episkoposs ar aqvs ufleba,<br />
Tavis nacvlad daadginos<br />
sxva vinme, TviTon aRsasruls<br />
miaxloebulic rom iyos. „Tu<br />
vinme msgavs rasme Caidens, es<br />
daniSvna daumtkicebeli iqneba...<br />
episkoposis daniSvna ar<br />
SeiZleba sxvanairad, Tu ara<br />
krebis mier da episkoposTa Ta-<br />
Tbiris Sedegad, romlebsac<br />
aqvT ufleba, gardacvlilis<br />
nacvlad airCion vinme Rirsi<br />
saydrisa...” kanonistebis mier<br />
es kanoni Semdegnairad ganimarteba,<br />
_ Teodore balsamoni,<br />
antioqiis titularuli patriarqi<br />
ambobs, rom „episkoposs ar<br />
gaaCnia Tavis nacvlad episkoposad<br />
sxvisi dadginebis memkvidreobis<br />
micemis ufleba”. aristine:<br />
„episkoposma, Tavisi aRsasrulis<br />
win, ar unda daadginos<br />
Tavis monacvled episkoposi,<br />
vinaidan is, vinc episkoposad<br />
aris xeldasxmuli, eparqia-<br />
Ta episkoposebis mieraa dadgenili.<br />
Tuki episkoposi aRsasrulis<br />
win Tavis nacvlad sxvas<br />
daadgens, amiT memkvidreobis<br />
kanoni mtkicdeba, maSin rodesac<br />
RvTis eklesia arasdros<br />
unda gadaeces memkvidres”. ioane<br />
zonara: „episkoposTaTvis<br />
ar aris daSvebuli maTze daqvemdebarebul<br />
eklesiebSi, Tavis<br />
adgilze, Tavis surviliT, sxvebi<br />
daadginos. vinaidan maT,<br />
romelTac ufleba ar gaaCniaT,<br />
rom episkoposobis dros dagrovili<br />
qoneba _ garda qonebisa,<br />
romelic mSoblebisgan memkvidreobiT<br />
gadaecaT, rogorc<br />
ambobs karTagenis 33-e kanoni _<br />
visac moesurvebaT imas dautovon,<br />
aseve, rogorc gadascemen<br />
Tavad episkoposobas sxvas, Ti-<br />
Tqos maT samoZRvro Zalauflebisa<br />
da RaribTa qonebis mar-<br />
Tvis memkvidreobas utoveben.<br />
amrigad, Tuki vinme raime msgavss<br />
moimoqmedebs, maSin kanonis<br />
ZaliT aRsrulebulic ar<br />
aris marTali da aRmsrulebelic<br />
ganyenebas eqvemdebareba;<br />
vinaidan, dadgenilia, rom<br />
episkoposebi krebaTa mier dgindebian”.<br />
netari avgustines cxovreba-<br />
Si erT Zalian saintereso moments<br />
vkiTxulobT. saqme is<br />
aris, rom hipos berZeni episkoposi<br />
moxucebuli iyo, laTinurad<br />
ver qadagebda da eparqiis<br />
marTva uWirda, amitom<br />
Tanamosaydred avgustine gamoarCia.<br />
Tumca iqve weria, rom es<br />
SecdomiT gaakeTa, radgan ar<br />
icnobda msoflio krebaTa dadgenilebebs,<br />
romelic msgavs<br />
moqmedebas krZalavda.<br />
_ rogorc aRniSne, axali<br />
patriarqis gamorCevis sakiTxi<br />
pirdapir saarCevno proce-<br />
duras ukavSirdeba. maSin raRa<br />
saWiroa patriarqis sicocxle-<br />
Si mosaydris gamorCeva, romlis<br />
funqcia, mxolod da mxolod,<br />
saarCevno komisiis Ta-<br />
vmjdomareobaa _ saero enaze<br />
ceskos Tavmjdomareoba. gana,<br />
amas patriarqis gardacvalebis<br />
Semdeg sinodi ver SeZleb-<br />
da? ra motivebi arsebobda<br />
mosaydris dasaxelebisa da<br />
dadgenisa?<br />
_ motivebi aris gardacvaleba<br />
an gadadgoma, an is mizezebi,<br />
romelic SeuZlebels xdis ka-<br />
Tolikos-patriarqisTvis Tavisi<br />
movaleobebis Sesrulebas.<br />
dasaxelebuli mizezebidan arc<br />
erTi araa saxeze, rac imas niSnavs,<br />
rom sapatriarqo taxtis<br />
mosaydris dadgenisTvis samar-<br />
Tlebrivi mizezi ar arsebobda.<br />
amitomac vambobT calsaxad,<br />
rom zogadad, kanonikuri samarTlis<br />
mixedviT, patriarqis<br />
sicocxleSi mosaydris dasaxelebas<br />
aranairi samarTlebrivi<br />
safuZveli ar gaaCnia, miT umetes,<br />
rom es faqti erT saydarze<br />
ukve ori episkoposis arsebobas<br />
uSvebs, rac, rogorc zemoT aRvniSneT,<br />
pirveli msoflio krebis<br />
merve kanonis uxeSi darRvevaa.<br />
amitomacaa, rom yvela mar-<br />
Tlmadidebeli avtokefaliuri<br />
eklesiis debulebis Tanaxmad,<br />
adgilis mcveli da ara mosaydre,<br />
aqtiurdeba mxolod patriarqis<br />
gardacvalebis an gadadgomis<br />
Semdeg.<br />
gagrZeleba 31-e gv.<br />
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`Tu oqruaSvili damnaSavea,<br />
„Tu 2015 wlis 13 ivniss axal-<br />
giorgi abaSiZe<br />
gazrdoba bunebriv stiqias ebr-<br />
Zoda, wels, 20 ivniss, axalgazrd-<br />
ebi politikur stiqias SeebrZolnen da sakuTari qveynis<br />
Rirseba daicaves! amitom 20 ivnisis Semdeg sruliad axali<br />
politikuri procesi daiwyo”, _ acxadebs ana rexviaSvili, romelic<br />
„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelos” erT-erTi lideri da, zo-<br />
gadadac, qarTuli politikis sruliad axali saxea.<br />
marTalia, politika ucxo namdvilad<br />
ar aris _ wlebis ganmavlobaSi<br />
evrostruqturebSi moR-<br />
vaweobda, amasTan, dedamisi,<br />
nestan kirTaZe, cnobili politi-<br />
kosia, magram, miuxedavad amisa,<br />
sainteresoa, ratom gadawyvita<br />
anam politikaSi CarTva maincdamainc<br />
axla da maincdamainc irakli<br />
oqruaSvilTan erTad? _<br />
„qronika+”-ma anasTan saubari, ra<br />
Tqma unda, am TemiT daiwyo.<br />
_ ana, politikaSi erTob<br />
rTul dros CaerTeT da pirda-<br />
pir oromtrialSi aRmoCndiT.<br />
irakli oqruaSvilis gverdiT<br />
dadgoma ratom gadawyviteT?<br />
_ me, Tqven da iraklic, praqtikulad,<br />
erTi Taobis warmomadgenlebi<br />
varT.<br />
_ diax, asea.<br />
_ yvelaferi, rac aqamde iyo,<br />
erTad vnaxeT da gaviareT, amitom<br />
minda, rom saqarTveloSi postrevoluciur<br />
viTarebas, aseve<br />
maSindel liderebs Tvali gavusworoT<br />
da sworad SevafasoT.<br />
_ kargi, SevafasoT.<br />
_ maSindeli liderebidan erTerTi<br />
yvelaze gamokveTili irakli<br />
oqruaSvili gaxldaT, romelic,<br />
albaT, dameTanxmebiT, rom mxolod<br />
lideri ar iyo, anu im<br />
drois saqarTveloSi, Tavisi mkacri<br />
xasiaTiTa Tu principulobiT,<br />
erT-erTi yvelaze gavleniani politikosi<br />
iyo, Tumca yvelafer<br />
amis miuxedavad, maSinac vaRiarebdi<br />
da axlac vaRiareb, rom irakli<br />
oqruaSvili mizanmimarTuli<br />
da Sedegze orientirebuli politikosia.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, piradad Tqven<br />
Zalian kargad mogexsenebaT, rom<br />
Cemi saqmianobis mniSvnelovani<br />
wlebi ucxoeTSi gavatare da zustad<br />
vici, saqarTveloSi maSin<br />
ganxorcielebuli reformebis<br />
gamo dasavleTi rogori aRtacebulic<br />
iyo. am reformebis erTerTi<br />
mniSvnelovani ganmaxorcielebeli<br />
ki swored irakli<br />
oqruaSvili gaxldaT.<br />
_ SeiZleba, magram, ana, ar unda<br />
daviviwyoT, rom es reformatori<br />
oqruaSvili jariskacebs aginebda,<br />
Tqveni mogebuli omis deda-<br />
co. aseve isic gvaxsovs, okupant<br />
ruseTs fekaliebiT rom emuqreboda<br />
da, paralelurad, iqadneboda,<br />
axal wels cxinvalSi SevxvdebiTo.<br />
amasac Tavi rom dav-<br />
aneboT, oqruaSvili is pirveli<br />
revolucioneri iyo, romelmac<br />
Zaladobis damkvidreba daiwyo _<br />
jer iyo da, bordelSi Sevarda,<br />
mere _ bondo Salikianis saxlSi.<br />
mokled, SeiZleba, ukanonobas<br />
ebrZoda, magram ukanonobasTan<br />
ZaladobiT brZola normaluria?<br />
_ simarTle giTxraT, velodi,<br />
rom am kiTxvas damisvamdiT da<br />
yvelaferi es, ra Tqma unda, Zalian<br />
kargad maxsovs, magram ar dagvaviwydes,<br />
rom maSin postrev-<br />
oluciuri periodi iyo da is<br />
liderebic revoluciis produqtebi<br />
iyvnen! saerTod, revolucia<br />
konstituciidan gasvlaa, anu<br />
revoluciis dros saubari kanonebze<br />
ki ara, ideebis garSemo Seqmnil<br />
situaciazea. Sesabamisad, es<br />
adamianebic raRac postrevoluciur<br />
eiforiaSi imyofebodnen da,<br />
cxadia, gadacdomebic iyo da Zaladobac...<br />
rasac axla getyviT, ar<br />
vici, visTvis misaRebi iqneba da<br />
visTvis _ ara, magram zustad vici,<br />
rom Zalian bevri kiTxvis miuxedavad,<br />
am adamianebma SeZles, rom<br />
postsabWoTa „gruzia” Tanamedrove<br />
evropul „jorjiad” eqciaT!<br />
diax, maT Tanamedrove evropuli<br />
saxelmwifo Seqmnes da es CemTvis<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovania!<br />
_ ana, postsabWoTa „gruzia”<br />
evropul „jorjiad” „vardosneb-<br />
is” xelisuflebam aqcia. Cven ki<br />
oqruaSvilze vsaubrobT.<br />
_ oqruaSvili im xelisuflebis<br />
nawili da, weRandeli Tqmisa ar<br />
iyos, revolucionerebs Soris<br />
erT-erTi gavleniani lideri iyo!<br />
ise, ar vici, sazogadoebam icis<br />
Tu ara, magram Ss saministroSi<br />
vmuSaobdi.<br />
_ oqruaSvilis ministrobis<br />
dros?<br />
_ ara, ara, giorgi mRebriSvilis<br />
dros da SemiZlia giTxraT,<br />
rom bolo wlebis erT-erTi yvelaze<br />
warmatebuli patrulis reformaa,<br />
romelic vano merabiSvils<br />
miewera, Tumca es tyuilia!<br />
patrulis reforma swored oqruaSvilis<br />
Ss ministrobis dros gatarda.<br />
es CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania,<br />
radgan am instituciiT<br />
saqarTvelom momavlisken<br />
yureba da iqidan gamosvla daiwyo,<br />
sadac manamde viyaviT!<br />
mokled, Tu yvelafer amas sworad<br />
ganvsjiT, Cemi arCevani Zalian<br />
mkafio da principulia _ mec da,<br />
zogadad, oqruaSvilis yvela Tanagundelma<br />
zustad icis, rom es<br />
axali saqarTvelos politikuri<br />
procesia da am avangardSi Cven<br />
oqruaSvilTan erTad vdgavarT!<br />
_ ana, vis gverdiT idgebiT, es,<br />
rasakvirvelia, Tqveni arCevania,<br />
magram weRan TqviT, oqruaSvil-<br />
ma da, zogadad, „vardosnebma”,<br />
postsabWoTa „gruzia” evropul<br />
„jorjiad” aqcieso. amaSi simarT-<br />
lis marcvali aris, magram 2010<br />
wels maSindelma xelisuflebam<br />
faruli Canawerebi gaavrcela,<br />
romliTac gamoikveTa, rom „oqros”<br />
rus samxedroebTan pirda-<br />
piri Tu iribi kavSiri hqonda.<br />
amasTan, isic cnobilia, rom par-<br />
izSi cxovrebis dros Tqveni<br />
lideri rusuli telearxebis<br />
xSiri stumari iyo. yvelafer<br />
amaze ra pasuxi gaqvT?<br />
_ yvelafer amas siRrmeSi ar<br />
Cavyvebi.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ oqruaSvilis yvela Secdomas<br />
ana rexviaSvili:<br />
`maSin<br />
postrevoluciuri<br />
periodi iyo da is<br />
liderebic<br />
revoluciis<br />
produqtebi iyvnen!~<br />
vaRiareb, magram swored warsulze<br />
CabRauWeba momavlisken siarulis<br />
saSualebas ar gvaZlevs, anu<br />
Tu mxolod warsulze vilaparakebT,<br />
isev iq mivalT, saidanac<br />
daviwyeT, Tan imazec SevTanxmdeT,<br />
rom arc erTi politikosi fr-<br />
Tiani angelozi ar aris da verc<br />
iqneba! aqedan gamomdinare, Ti-<br />
Toeuli Cvengani Zalian xamamaRali<br />
an xmadabali SecdomebiT movdivarT,<br />
Tumca giTxariT da kidev<br />
geubnebiT: piradad CemTvis amosavali<br />
wertili is iyo da aris,<br />
rom am adamianebma, maT Soris, irakli<br />
oqruaSvilmac, romelic Tafli<br />
da muraba namdvilad ar aris,<br />
Cemi qveynis realoba Secvales. amitomac<br />
me iq var, sadac Cemi qveynis<br />
momavalia da ara _ warsuli!<br />
kidev erT rames getyviT: oqruaSvili,<br />
sxva danarCeni politikosebisgan<br />
gansxvavebiT, is iSviaTi<br />
gamonaklisia, romelmac zustad<br />
icis, Tavisma politikurma bedma<br />
ra amocanebisa da pasuxismgeblobis<br />
winaSe daayena!<br />
_ keTili, magram oqruaSvilma<br />
erT mdinareSi Sesvla meored<br />
gadawyvita, anu 2007 wlis msga-<br />
vsad inga grigolias skandaluri<br />
interviu misca da ramdenime dRe-<br />
Si daapatimres. axla grigolias<br />
eTerSi warmoudgeneli ambebi ga-<br />
moamzeura da samarTaldamcve-<br />
lebmac miakiTxes. mokled, bevrs<br />
da, maT Soris, mec politikuri<br />
deJavius gancda gagviCnda.<br />
_ iciT, ra xdeba? _ yvelaferi<br />
es mTlad igive ar iyo, Tumca Cemi<br />
gadasaxedidan oqruaSvilma ivaniSvili,<br />
RaribaSvili, SoTaZe da<br />
sxva adamianebi amxila, anu isev iq<br />
mivdivarT, saidanac daviwyeT: xe-<br />
`cudi droa - diplomatiuri kalendari imis<br />
saSualebas ar gvaZlevs, rom mobilizebulad<br />
yvela davayenoT fexze, magram strategiuli<br />
gegma SevimuSaveT da dagegmili gvaqvs, rom<br />
saqmis kursSi CavayenoT strasburgi, briuseli,<br />
vena da vaSingtoni, anu dadasturebuli<br />
TariRebi ukve gvaqvs, roca yvelaferi es<br />
saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobamde miva, magram<br />
axlave SeiZleba imis Tqma, rom diplomatebs<br />
Zalian bevri kiTxva aqvT da yvela imaSia<br />
darwmunebuli, raSic saqarTvelos mTeli<br />
sazogadoeba, anu oqruaSvili ivaniSvilis<br />
piradi mZevali da patimaria!~<br />
lisuflebaSi isini movidnen, romelTa<br />
imedic mTel saqarTvelos<br />
hqonda, magram maRalCinosnebi<br />
zustad ise iqcevian, rogorc 2012<br />
wlamde. aqedan gamomdinare, oqruaSvilis<br />
gulwrfel aRiarebas<br />
Tundac imitom mivesalmebi, rom<br />
yvelaferi is, razedac ilaparaka,<br />
sxva dros aRar ganmeordes!<br />
is gamowveva, romlis winaSec<br />
dgas, vfiqrob, raRac doziT irakli<br />
oqruaSvilis reabilitaciaa!<br />
_ simarTle giTxraT, ar mes-<br />
mis, reabilitacia ra SuaSia.<br />
amasTan, yvelam vicodiT, rom<br />
daWera gardauvali iyo da, sain-<br />
teresoa, safrangeTidan ratom<br />
dabrunda?<br />
_ es oqruaSvilis dagegmili<br />
viziti iyo, anu ganacxada, am dros<br />
mivdivar da am dros ukan davbrundebio.<br />
amasobaSi, SeuTvales,<br />
saqarTveloSi ar Camoxvide, Torem<br />
dagiWerTo. sxvaTa Soris, irakli<br />
safrangeTSi rom wavida, socialur<br />
qselSi viRacebi werdnen,<br />
ai, gaqceuli liderio, magram<br />
oqruaSvili gaqceuli ar iyo da,<br />
rogorc Tqva, dabrunda, Tumca<br />
dabrunebamde ori dRiT adre misi<br />
dacvis wevri daapatimres, rac<br />
pirdapiri provocireba iyo.<br />
_ risi?<br />
_ imisi, rom an misi Camosvla<br />
daeCqarebinaT, an saerTod ar<br />
Camosuliyo da mere eTqvaT, ai,<br />
xedavT, aRar dabrundao. sxvaTa<br />
Soris, am Temaze gvisaubria da<br />
oqruaSvilma icoda, rom misi daWeris<br />
riski arsebobda _ ivaniSvilis<br />
mimarT Seurigeblobas Tavi<br />
rom davaneboT, „rusTavi 2-Tan”<br />
dakavSirebiT mocemuloba swored<br />
man amoatriala.<br />
mokled, saqarTveloSi Camosuli<br />
oqruaSvili sasamarTloSi midis,<br />
sadac mec viyavi da gamokiTxva<br />
zustad 15 wuTi grZeldeba. ise,<br />
Tu saWiro iyo, SeeZloT, iqve<br />
daekavebinaT, magram gamokiTxvaze<br />
konkretuli araferi yofila.<br />
ramdenime dRis Semdeg ki viTareba<br />
Seicvala.<br />
saerTod, roca am Temebze<br />
vsaubrobT, yvelaferi detalurad<br />
unda gavixsenoT, anu jer<br />
pirdapiri da daufaravi Seteva<br />
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mec damnaSave var!~<br />
anakliis portze ganxorcielda,<br />
erTi dRis Semdeg ki dartyma<br />
„rusTavi 2-ze” miaqvT da uceb,<br />
oqruaSvils apatimreben.<br />
_ e. i., ana, am sam movlenas<br />
Soris kavSirs xedavT?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda.<br />
_ neba momeciT, ar dageTanxmoT,<br />
radgan igive anakliaze Seteva<br />
20 ivnisis movlenebamde dai-<br />
wyo. oqruaSvils ki swored imaSi<br />
sdeben brals, rom „gavrilovis<br />
Rames” jgufur Zaladobasa da<br />
saxelmwifo gadatrialebis mcde-<br />
lobaSi monawileobda.<br />
_ ki batono, anakliaze Seteva<br />
ramdenime Tvis win daiwyo, magram<br />
krizisi bolo dros gaRrmavda _<br />
xazaraZe-jafariZe ports Camoa-<br />
Sores. paraleluri dartyma ganxorcielda<br />
„rusTavi 2-ze”, anu im<br />
telekompaniaze, romelic anakliis<br />
proeqtis pirdapiri lobistia.<br />
_ ana, momiteveT, magram<br />
faqtebi ar davamaxinjoT, anu<br />
imis Tqma minda, rom „rusTavi 2-<br />
ze” Seteva „ocnebam” ki ar miitana,<br />
gadawyvetileba evrosasa-<br />
marTlom gamoitana.<br />
_ gasagebia, magram isic xom<br />
vnaxeT, evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis<br />
gamotanidan zustad<br />
erT saaTSi rac moxda _ xalvaSi<br />
raRac Tavis uflebebs ibrunebs.<br />
paralelurad, cnobili xdeba e. w.<br />
oqruaSvilisa da „rusTavi 2"-is<br />
qeisi, romelzec sarCeli SevitaneT<br />
da ramac realoba amoatriala.<br />
mokled, mTeli aurzauri daiwyo<br />
_ xalvaSis xelmoweraze sami<br />
eqspertizis daskvna gviWiravs,<br />
romelic mowmobs, rom xelmowera<br />
namdvilia. isic zustad viciT,<br />
rom am xelmoweris namdvilobaze<br />
samxarauls daskvna aqvs, magram ar<br />
asajaroebs, radgan masze ormagi<br />
wnexia, anu erTi wnexi xelisuflebisaa,<br />
meore ki _ kanonis.<br />
Tvaurma zustad icis, rom gayalbebuli<br />
daskvna sisxlis samaTlis<br />
kodeqsiT isjeba.<br />
_ ana, mTel am ambavSi, Cemi<br />
aziT, kidev erTi sakanonmdeblo<br />
kazusia, kerZod, igive braldeba<br />
nika meliasac wauyenes, romelic<br />
ar daapatimres da samajuri ak-<br />
mares, oqruaSvili ki cixeSi<br />
gauSves. amas riT xsniT?<br />
_ xelisufleba amas verafriT<br />
gaamarTlebs da drois gayvanas<br />
cdilobs, anu im masalebSi, rac<br />
warmoadgina, mxolod raRac wiTeli<br />
isari Cans. gamoZieba ambobs,<br />
oqruaSvili parlamentTan 30-kaciani<br />
razmiT iyo misulio. arada,<br />
am „razmSi” Cvenc varT _ aTi adamiani.<br />
diax, Cven, yvelani parlamentis<br />
win dilis 7 saaTamde viyaviT.<br />
Sesabamisad, Tu oqruaSvili<br />
damnaSavea, mec da yvela sxva adamianic,<br />
vinc iq idga, damnaSavea!<br />
erTi sityviT, gamoZiebas arafrismTqmeli<br />
videos garda araferi<br />
aqvs. aseve arsebobs samarTaldamcvelTa<br />
SeTiTxnili Cvenebebi da<br />
es Cvenebebi, rogorc gavigeT, 24<br />
ivnissaa micemuli. yvelafer aqedan<br />
gamomdinare, xelisufleba Cix-<br />
Sia. sxvaTa Soris, imis Sesaxeb, rac<br />
SigniT xdeba, informaciac gvaqvs.<br />
amitom agoniaSi arian da cdiloben,<br />
rogorme dro gawelon,<br />
Tan „rusTavi 2-is” saqmec gaugonar<br />
krizisSi Sedis da zustad<br />
vici, es krizisi ekranis CaqrobiT<br />
`oqruaSvilis yvela Secdomas<br />
vaRiareb, magram SevTanxmdeT, rom<br />
arc erTi politikosi frTiani<br />
angelozi ar aris da verc iqneba!~<br />
da „rusTavi 2-is” daxurviT dam-<br />
Tavrdeba! amasobaSi ki ekonomika<br />
Tavze gvemxoba da yvelaferi es<br />
logikurad ver gagrZeldeba.<br />
_ „gamarjvebul saqarTvelo-<br />
Si”, rogorc cnobilia, saerTa-<br />
Soriso urTierTobebs kurirebT.<br />
ana, ucxoeli partniorebi oqru-<br />
aSvilis daWeraze ras amboben?<br />
_ cudi droa _ diplomatiuri<br />
kalendari imis saSualebas ar gva-<br />
Zlevs, rom mobilizebulad yvela<br />
davayenoT fexze, magram strategiuli<br />
gegma SevimuSaveT da dagegmili<br />
gvaqvs, rom saqmis kursSi<br />
CavayenoT strasburgi, briuseli,<br />
vena da vaSingtoni, anu dadasturebuli<br />
TariRebi ukve gvaqvs,<br />
roca yvelaferi es saerTaSoriso<br />
Tanamegobrobamde miva, magram axlave<br />
SeiZleba imis Tqma, rom diplomatebs<br />
Zalian bevri kiTxva<br />
aqvT da yvela imaSia darwmunebuli,<br />
raSic saqarTvelos mTeli sazogadoeba,<br />
anu oqruaSvili ivaniSvilis<br />
piradi mZevali da patimaria!<br />
_ ivaniSvils oqruaSvilis mZe-<br />
vlad ayvana risTvis sWirdeba?<br />
_ ar vici, es SeiZleba, misi agoniiT<br />
an SiSiT aris gamowveuli!<br />
_ ise, ana, gamoricxavT, rom<br />
istoria isev ganmeordes da<br />
oqruaSvilma, romelsac poli-<br />
tikur patimrad acxadebT, 2007<br />
wlis msgavsad, sakanSi aRiarebi-<br />
Ti Cveneba misces da yvelaferi,<br />
rac Tqva, uaryos?<br />
_ diax, amas sruliad gamovricxav!<br />
sxvaTa Soris, riskebi<br />
da xifaTebi arsebobs da Cvenc<br />
yvelanair versias ganvixilavT,<br />
magram amis miuxedavad, is, rac<br />
2007 wels vixileT, gamoricxulia!<br />
irakli oqruaSvili yvelanair wnexs<br />
gauZlebs imitom, rom dRes absoluturad<br />
sxva realoba da<br />
mocemulobaa!<br />
_ socialur mediaSi, rogorc<br />
Tvali movkari, daiwera, sapyro-<br />
bileSi oqruaSvili SesaZloa,<br />
mowamlono. Tqvenc am xifaTze<br />
mianiSnebT?<br />
_ detalurad ar vici, ra Sei-<br />
Zleba moxdes, magram es rigiTi<br />
sisxlis samarTlis saqme araa, arc<br />
oqruaSvilia rigiTi patimari da<br />
amitom SesaZlebelia, rom nebismieri<br />
suraTi ganviTardes. Sesabamisad,<br />
rogorc ki gavigeT, rom<br />
patimrobaSi datoves, saxalxo<br />
damcvels SevxvdiT, romlis warmomadgenlebmac<br />
irakli imave<br />
Rames moinaxules... xifaTebze informacia<br />
Signidanac gvaqvs.<br />
_ anu xelisuflebisTvis<br />
oqruaSvili ufro saSiSia, vidre<br />
_ melia?<br />
_ nika melias mimarT, ra Tqma<br />
unda, Zalian did pativiscemas<br />
gamovxatav _ misi Sinapatimroba<br />
igive cixis tolfasia, anu aseTi<br />
`saerTod, revolucia konstituciidan<br />
gasvlaa, anu revoluciis dros saubari<br />
kanonebze ki ara, ideebis garSemo Seqmnil<br />
situaciazea. Sesabamisad, es adamianebic raRac<br />
postrevoluciur eiforiaSi imyofebodnen da,<br />
cxadia, gadacdomebic iyo da Zaladobac...<br />
rasac axla getyviT, ar vici, visTvis misaRebi<br />
iqneba da visTvis - ara, magram zustad vici,<br />
rom Zalian bevri kiTxvis miuxedavad, am<br />
adamianebma SeZles, rom postsabWoTa `gruzia~<br />
Tanamedrove evropul `jorjiad~ eqciaT! diax,<br />
maT Tanamedrove evropuli saxelmwifo<br />
Seqmnes da es CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania!~<br />
energiuli politikosi politikur<br />
procesebs CamoSorebulia,<br />
Tumca irakli oqruaSvilTan yvelaferi<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” qeisma gaamZafra.<br />
_ cnobilia, rom gamouvali<br />
mdgomareoba ar arsebobs. hoda,<br />
Seqmnili viTarebidan oqruaSvili<br />
da, Sesabamisad, xelisufle-<br />
bac rogor unda gamovides?<br />
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ar arsebobs. saerTod, irakli<br />
oqruaSvili damoukideblad ar<br />
ganixileba da igive diplomatiur<br />
korpuss yvela politpatimris<br />
qeisze velaparakebiT, anu mTavaria,<br />
es adamianebi cixidan rogorme<br />
ganTavisufldnen da xelisuflebam<br />
Tavisi farsi gamoZieba ise<br />
gaagrZelos. mosamarTlem da<br />
prokurorma, TavianTi ususuroba<br />
rom daefaraT, jer procesi<br />
daxures, mere ki is gadawyvetileba<br />
gamoitanes, romelic winaswar<br />
yvelasTvis cnobili iyo. ar vici,<br />
aseTi ram adamianma rogor unda<br />
aitanos da moiTminos! zogadad,<br />
xelisuflebas, adre Tu gvian, mxolod<br />
imis ki ara, rom politpatimrebi<br />
hyavs, aramed sxva bevri<br />
ramis aRiareba mouwevs.<br />
_ amas ris safuZvelze am-<br />
bobT?<br />
_ qveyanaSi arsebuli krizisi<br />
ufro da ufro gaRrmavdeba da<br />
gamwvavdeba. diax, qveyana CixSia da<br />
yvelaferi Tavze Camogvengreva,<br />
magram vimedovneb, xelisufleba-<br />
Sic aris iseTi vinme, vinc gons<br />
moegeba!<br />
_ naTqvamia, zogi Wiri marge-<br />
beliao. hoda, yvelaferi es,<br />
razedac vsaubrobT, oqruaSvilsa<br />
da mis „gamarjvebul saqarTve-<br />
los” e. w. mesame Zalad xom ar<br />
aqcevs?<br />
_ ase ar ganvixilav, mesame Zala<br />
vinme gaxdeba Tu ara, magram „gamarjvebuli<br />
saqarTvelos” prezentacia<br />
16 ivniss iyo da Tve-naxevarSi<br />
oqruaSvili xelisuflebisTvis<br />
saSiSi gaxda! amas, ar mgonia,<br />
kidev ramis damateba sWirdebodes.<br />
am qveynisTvis irakli<br />
oqruaSvilis saWiroeba sazogadoebam,<br />
mgoni, Zalian kargad dainaxa<br />
da momavalSi kidev ufro<br />
metad dainaxavs!<br />
_ „gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo”<br />
saSiSi mxolod xelisuflebisTvisaa<br />
Tu opozicis nawil-<br />
isTvisac?<br />
_ ar vici... saSiSs ver vityvi,<br />
Tumca opoziciisTvis „gamarjvebuli<br />
saqaTvelo”, albaT, ufro<br />
gamowvevaa. sxvaTa Soris, opoziciis<br />
Zalian didi mxardaWera gvaqvs<br />
_ 24 saaTi TanamSromlobis<br />
reJimSi varT, Tumca Tu Sors<br />
wavediT, aravin icis, ra iqneba.<br />
_ „Sors wasvlaSi” ras gulisx-<br />
mobT?<br />
_ Tundac arCevnebs, Tumca manamde<br />
didi droa. dRes ki opozicias<br />
madlobas vuxdi, radgan am<br />
dReebSi srul Tanadgomas<br />
vgrZnobT!<br />
_ Tanadgomas bokerias gun-<br />
disganac grZnobT?<br />
_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, bokeriam<br />
da ugulavam gancxadebebi gaakeTes,<br />
rac oqruaSvilis mimarT<br />
solidarobis dasturia.<br />
_ ana, emociebis gareSe rom<br />
mipasuxoT: „rusTavi 2" imad Rirda,<br />
rom oqruaSvili cixeSi wa-<br />
suliyo?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda. saerTod, yvelaferi<br />
Rirs, roca saqme Tavisufal<br />
sityvasa da qveyanas exeba!<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” daxSobiT Tavisufali<br />
sityva ixSoba!<br />
„rusTavi 2" erTaderT SemTxvevaSi<br />
ar Caqreba _ Tu Tavis realur<br />
mesakuTres, irakli oqruaSvils<br />
daubrundeba, romelic<br />
„rusTavi 2-s” ar ganixilavs,<br />
rogorc komerciul da bizneskompanias,<br />
aramed rogorc Tavisuflebisa<br />
da damoukideblobis garantsa<br />
da platformas.<br />
metic, irakli oqruaSilma<br />
ramdenjerme gaakeTa gancxadeba,<br />
rom „rusTavi 2-is” dabrunebisTanave<br />
mas sakuTrebaSi „rusTaviorelebs”<br />
gadascems, rogorc sazogadoebriv<br />
sikeTes, romelic<br />
kvlav gaagrZelebs Tavisuflebis<br />
medroSeobas saqarTvelosa da,<br />
saerTod, mTel regionSi!<br />
_ ki batono, „rusTavi 2"<br />
flagmania, magram am qveyanaSi<br />
Tavisufal sityvas veravin Caax-<br />
Sobs, radgan yvelafers Tavi rom<br />
davaneboT, arsebobs „qronika+”!<br />
mokled, politikuri vertikali,<br />
mgoni, Secdomas uSvebs, roca<br />
Tavisufali sityvis damcvelad<br />
mxolod erT mediasaSualebas<br />
acxadebs!<br />
_ politikuri vertikali diferenciacias<br />
yovelTvis axdens.<br />
ubralod, „rusTavi 2" mudam<br />
yuradRebis qveS iyo da es saqme<br />
gaxmaurebulia! ise, me Tu mkiTxavT,<br />
„ruTavi 2-ma” Tavisi resursi<br />
amowura, anu is saqme Seasrula,<br />
rac unda Seesrulebina, Tumca, ra<br />
Tqma unda, mivesalmebi, rom am<br />
arxma funqcionireba ise gaagrZelos,<br />
rogorc aqamde funqcionirebda!<br />
_ bolos, ana, rogor fiqrobT,<br />
saqarTvelo gaimarjvebs?<br />
_ dRes saqarTvelos sindisi,<br />
samwuxarod, arc erTi pirovneba<br />
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yvelaferi keTdeba ise, rogorc<br />
Jurnalistebs miaCniaT sworad...<br />
ai, swored aqaaa is vir Tu zebraeSmakoba...<br />
diax, dRevandel Semadgenlobas<br />
ase miaCnia da arc uSlian,<br />
magram... saqme isaa, rom male daiwyeba<br />
swored Jurnalistebis Canacvleba...<br />
ukve bevrs laparakoben finansur<br />
problemebze. Semdegi<br />
nabiji, albaT, xelfasebis katastrofulad<br />
Semcireba iqneba. bevri<br />
iZulebuli gaxdeba, datovos<br />
kompania. viRac, albaT, jinaze ram-<br />
yarsyana<br />
ad aneitralebs yvela liders, visganac<br />
ki safrTxes elis da am daWerebiT,<br />
darbevebiT Tu Tvalebis<br />
TxriT iWers meore kurdRels _<br />
aSinebs sazogadoebas; meore mxriv<br />
ki imasTan, rom sazogadoeba, maT<br />
Soris, opoziciuri partiebi Tu<br />
opoziciurad ganwyobili sxvadasxva<br />
jgufi saTanadod ver afasebs<br />
Seqmnil viTarebas. „saTanadod ver<br />
afasebs”, _ rbili naTqvamia, Tu<br />
CavazustebT, ufro mwared mogviwevs<br />
Tqma, _ adekvaturad ver<br />
afaseben im safrTxes!<br />
rodesac biZina ivaniSvilma samajuri<br />
daado nika melias, rodesac<br />
daiWira irakli oqruaSvili,<br />
rodesac girao Seufardes xazaraZes,<br />
rodesac dedaliviT amoiRliava<br />
„rusTavi 2", gangaSis<br />
zarebi ki ar daarisxa vinmem, piriqiT,<br />
yvelam erTi da igive narativi<br />
Camoatara xaSlamasaviT, _ ai,<br />
biZina ivaniSvils nervebma umtyuna,<br />
es daWerebi misi sisustis niSania,<br />
ivaniSvili agoniaSia, dasasruli<br />
daiwyo da a. S. da a. S.<br />
didi ilia ityoda, _ agangala,<br />
gangala! dasasruli ki ar daiwyo,<br />
qveyanaSi diqtatura iwyeba, lafi<br />
gxvdebaT, Tqven iwmendT da gaiZaxiT,<br />
if, ra JuJuna wvimaao.<br />
Tqveni ambavi imas magonebs,<br />
erTi kaci meores manam rom eZaxda<br />
cvedans, sanam im meorem qaliSvili<br />
ar dauqala da 9 Tvis Tavze xelSi<br />
nabiWvari ar auWyavla. iZaxeT, _<br />
agoniaSia, sustia, dasasruli daewyoo<br />
da amasobaSi ki svams duSaSiviT<br />
im „rasklads”, romelic awyobs.<br />
aneitralebs yvela liders, visga-<br />
mia-danamatebs, korufciaSic kargad<br />
banaoben da srasaxlebic kargad<br />
wamoiWimes. qveyanas arafers<br />
ukeTeben, xalxs arafers ukeTeben<br />
da Zalauflebasac gadasarevad<br />
inarCuneben. arafers akeTeben da<br />
buzsac veravin ufrens da eseni<br />
arian uniaToebi Tu swored isini,<br />
romlebmac amaT uniaTo daarqva?<br />
qveyana korufciis Waobidan amoaTries,<br />
saxelmwifo aaSenes, jari<br />
jarad Seqmnes, patruli _ patrulad,<br />
gza gzas daamsgavses, qalaqebi<br />
_ qalaqebs da... da ra? 9 wlis<br />
Tavze iseTi panCuri moxvdaT saxeSi,<br />
RranWi dRemde ver gaaswores.<br />
zogi cixeSia, zogi _ devnilobaSi,<br />
zogi _ sad da zogi _ sad da esaa<br />
niaTis qona?<br />
davubrundeT ZiriTad saTqmels<br />
da dReis gasaWirs: dResac<br />
igive xdeba. dResac isev abuCad<br />
vigdebT safrTxes da vambobT, rom<br />
biZinas nervebma umtyuna, biZina<br />
dasustda, biZina mTavrdeba.<br />
ki, namdvilad yvela diqtatura<br />
sabolod ganwirulia da bolos<br />
fiasko gardauvalia. diax, droebiTia,<br />
magram es droebiToba sulac<br />
ar niSnavs imas, rom ha da ha,<br />
biZina liriviT atirdeba yvelasgan<br />
mitovebuli. xSirad diqtatura<br />
raRac periodi aris instrumenti<br />
Zalauflebis SesanarCuneblad,<br />
metic _ gasaZliereblad da aravi-<br />
Tar SemTxvevaSi araa apriori arc<br />
sisuste, arc dasasrulis mauwyebeli.<br />
safrTxis abuCad agdeba da araseriozulad<br />
Sefaseba, rbilad<br />
rom vTqvaT, infantilizmia da ar-<br />
rom xalxSi swored SiSi daeTesaT?<br />
im wuTas xelisuflebas safrTxe<br />
ar emuqreboda, magram am xelisuflebam<br />
gadasarevad icis, rom<br />
aucileblad daemuqreboda (da<br />
daemuqreba) da Tadarigi daiWira,<br />
prevencias mimarTa da amieridan<br />
yvelas ecodineba, rom msgavs saprotesto<br />
mRelvarebaSi monawileoba<br />
SeiZleba Tvalis Cinad daujdes<br />
an cixeSi gamomwyvdevad. cxadia,<br />
amis gamo yvela ar dafrTxeba,<br />
magram Zalian bevri dafiqrdeba,<br />
uRirs Tu ara am riskze wasvla?<br />
swored amitom esrodnen damiznebiT,<br />
swored amitom daapatimres<br />
aqciis ocamde monawile.<br />
diax, Tundac es ricxvi miu-<br />
TiTebs imaze, rom maTi dapatimreba<br />
saCvenebeli, Wkuis saswavlebeli<br />
RonisZiebaa da ara kanonis aRsruleba!<br />
ra, im mravalaTasian aqciaSi<br />
marto es 20 kaci iqnevda<br />
xel-fexs? Tu xalxi policiaze<br />
iwevda, es xalxi sul es 20 kacia?<br />
aqedanac Cans, rom es yvelaferi<br />
(daWerebi da manam darbeva _ Tvalebis<br />
TxriT) gakeTda ara imwuTieri<br />
safrTxis gasaneitraleblad,<br />
aramed im momavali safrTxeebis<br />
gasaniorwyleblad, romelic am xelisuflebas<br />
elis. gaTvla arc ise<br />
usafuZvloa. vimeoreb: yvela amiT<br />
ar dafrTxeba, magram bevri dafiqrdeba<br />
aqciebze wasvlis win _ uRirs<br />
Tu ara Tavisuflebis an TvalisCinis<br />
dakargvad protestis<br />
gamoxatva?<br />
swored amave konteqstSia gansaxilveli<br />
kupravas dasja mosamarTlis<br />
ginebisTvis. oRond ara<br />
revoluciuri talRis agoreba.<br />
icis es Worvilelma dendma da<br />
rogorRac itans saakaSvilis onlain<br />
Tu teleSturmebs sxva qveynebidan.<br />
igive xdeba melias SemTxvevaSi,<br />
Tavidan ki surda misi cixeSi gamomwyvdeva,<br />
magram dainaxa ra sazogadoebis<br />
protesti, mixvda, rom<br />
sulac ar uRirda amaze wasvla,<br />
radgan arc sWirdeboda. misTvis<br />
sakmarisi iyo, melia Caexsna procesebidan<br />
da amitomac aukrZales<br />
mas xalxisTvis mimarTva aqciebze.<br />
misTvis arc televiziiT mimarTva<br />
aukrZalavs vinmes, arc socqselebiT.<br />
cocxali kontaqti aukrZales<br />
xalxTan da Semdeg amis uzrunvelsayofad<br />
samajuric daades da<br />
Sinac gamoketes. ivaniSvilisTvis<br />
melia safrTxes qmnida _ xalxTan<br />
kotaqtiT.<br />
sxva situaciaa oqruaSvilis<br />
SemTxvevaSi. oqro „oqros mowmea”<br />
da bevri pikanturi detalis gaxseneba<br />
SeuZlia da daiwyo kidec<br />
teleeTerebSi amis gaxseneba. garda<br />
amisa, man sasamarTlos mimarTa<br />
da ivaniSvils safrTxe daemuqra,<br />
rom xelidan gamoglijos is („rusTavi<br />
2"), rac Zlivs daiTria! amitomac<br />
gadauketa gza sasamarTlosken<br />
da televiziebisken. amisTvis<br />
iyo saWiro misi cixeSi da ara saxlSi<br />
gamomwyvdeva. misi Sin gamoketviT<br />
am safrTxeebs Tavidan ver aicilebda.<br />
amave tipisaa misi bolo manevrebi<br />
gvaramiasa Tu sxvaTa mimarT.<br />
yvelafers akeTebs imisTvis, rom<br />
axali televizia araTu maT ar Seq-<br />
denime Tve darCeba kidec, magram<br />
gardauvlad daiwyeba Canacvlebis<br />
procesi. is axali Jurnalisti mova<br />
da sxvanairad, anu xelisuflebisTvis<br />
komfortulad moindomebs<br />
ambebis gaSuqebas. rames rom ityvi,<br />
gamova salia da getyvis, _ Jurnalisti<br />
ase xedavs, ase aSuqebs da ra<br />
xdeba, mis saredaqcio TavisuflebaSi<br />
ereviTo? Jurnalistma gadawyvita<br />
aseo... raRac periodi ar<br />
gagikvirdeT, rom eTerSi gverdigverd<br />
gavides xelisuflebis<br />
mamxilebeli da Semdeg amave xelisuflebis<br />
maamebeli siuJetebi.<br />
Semdeg ki nela-nela mxolod maameblebi<br />
darCeba...<br />
mokled, qveyana putinizaciis<br />
gzas adgas, diqtaturisken mivjliginebT<br />
da viRacebi sisusted<br />
uTvlian amas baton biZinas. sxvas<br />
Sinagani rwmena aqvs, rom diqtaturas<br />
veRar daamyarebs, raki xalxma,<br />
miT umetes, Tavisufleba ukve<br />
igema.<br />
mokled, imedi Tu imedovneba<br />
or ZiriTad saxeze daiyvaneba:<br />
1) nabiji diqtaturisken sisuste<br />
da dasasrulis dasawyisia. am<br />
logikiT, putinis meseri cxrajer<br />
unda iyos gadaRebili. kim Cen inisac;<br />
2) Tavisufleba nagem xalxTan,<br />
miT ufro, axal TaobasTan, diqtatura<br />
ar gamova. am logikiT, arc<br />
iranSi unda gamosvloda rame aia-<br />
Tola homeins, magram...<br />
mokled, safrTxis abuCad<br />
agdebiT safrTxe ar farCakdeba da<br />
arc neitraldeba.<br />
N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.<br />
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am da sxva mniSvnelovan Te-<br />
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gia nodias esaubra:<br />
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upatronoa, viRacas<br />
unda miekedlos da xazaraZe Sei-<br />
Zleboda, gamxdariyo mizidulobis<br />
centri. es mxolod varaudia.<br />
gaaCnia, xazaraZe rogor<br />
moiqceva, vis daiyenebs gverdiT,<br />
rogor warmarTavs Tavis politikur<br />
saqmianobas, magram sastarto<br />
kapitali mas namdvili aqvs.<br />
proporciul arCevnebSi, roca<br />
SesaZloa, 5, 10 an 15%-s gadamwyveti<br />
mniSvneloba hqondes, xazaraZe<br />
xelisuflebisTvis saxifaTo<br />
politikuri figura gaxdeba.<br />
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SiSi warmoSva~<br />
`rogorc "rusTavi 2-<br />
is"<br />
xelmZRvanelobisTvis<br />
iyo moulodneli<br />
strasburgis<br />
sasamarTlos<br />
gadawyvetileba, aseve<br />
xelisuflebisTvisac<br />
moulodneli iyo.<br />
SesaZloa, ramdenime<br />
dRiT adre gaiges am<br />
gadawyvetilebis<br />
Sesaxeb, magram<br />
arsebiTi strategia ar<br />
hqoniaT. amisTvis ar<br />
iyvnen mzad da axla<br />
fiqroben, ra gaakeTon~<br />
`biZina ivaniSvilis erTgvari strategiaa,<br />
romelic SesaZloa oqruaSvilTan<br />
mimarTebiTac muSaobdes, rom adamiani an<br />
cixeSi unda Casva, an cixeSi Casmis perspeqtiva<br />
unda gauCino imisTvis, rom moelaparako.<br />
ivaniSvili cdilobs, yvelasTan moagvaros<br />
urTierToba, magram rodesac meore mxare<br />
jiutobs, misi sijiutis xarisxi mcirdeba, Tuki<br />
is cixeSi zis an emuqreba cixeSi Cajdoma.<br />
SesaZloa, amis Semdeg biZina ivaniSvilma<br />
scados da daalagos urTierToba mamuka<br />
xazaraZesTan~<br />
_ im SemTxvevaSi, Tu xazaraZe<br />
politikaSi mova, aqvs Tu ara<br />
resursi, rom mesame Zala gax-<br />
des?<br />
_ jerjerobiT amis Tqma naadrevia.<br />
Cemi azriT, biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
erTgvari strategiaa,<br />
romelic SesaZloa oqruaSvil-<br />
Tan mimarTebiTac muSaobdes,<br />
rom adamiani an cixeSi unda Casva,<br />
an cixeSi Casmis perspeqtiva<br />
unda gauCino imisTvis, rom<br />
moelaparako. ivaniSvili cdilobs,<br />
yvelasTan moagvaros urTierToba,<br />
magram rodesac meore<br />
mxare jiutobs, misi sijiutis<br />
xarisxi mcirdeba, Tuki is cixe-<br />
Si zis an emuqreba cixeSi Cajdoma.<br />
SesaZloa, amis Semdeg biZina<br />
ivaniSvilma scados da daalagos<br />
urTierToba mamuka xazaraZesTan.<br />
albaT mas amis imedi<br />
aqvs.<br />
_ bolo periodSi gansaku-<br />
TrebiT aqtiurad iyenebs ivaniSvili<br />
am strategias, nika melia<br />
SidapatimrobaSia, oqruaS-<br />
vili _ cixeSi, raze metyvelebs<br />
es yvelaferi, oligarqi Tavs<br />
izRvevs Tu SeSinebulia?<br />
_ SiSi namdvilad aris. 20-ma<br />
ivnisma xelisuflebaSi SiSi warmoSva.<br />
SiSi xandaxan agresias<br />
badebs. imisTvis, rom es SiSi damalo,<br />
Setevaze unda gadaxvide.<br />
es aris ara ubralo emociuri<br />
kanonzomiereba, aramed politikuri<br />
strategiac. rodesac<br />
xelisufleba sustdeba da mis<br />
mimarT ndoba mcirdeba, misTvis<br />
xifaTs warmoadgens meryevi<br />
xalxi sakuTar rigebSi. wlis pirvel<br />
naxevarSi „qarTuli ocnebis”<br />
dasustebis yvelaze gamokveTili<br />
indikatori iyo is,<br />
rom xalxma „qarTuli ocnebidan”<br />
gaqceva daiwyo da sakmaod<br />
bevri adamiani wavida. garda amisa,<br />
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xalxi xedavs, rom misi gemi<br />
sustdeba da SesaZloa, uaxloes<br />
xanebSi CaiZiros, am CasaZiri gemidan<br />
wasvlas cdilobs. xelisuflebis<br />
agresiuli qmedeba<br />
swored amis prevenciisTvis<br />
aris _ dapatimrebebi, muqarebi,<br />
rom TiTqos magrebi arian, ar<br />
iZirebian. cdiloben, partiis<br />
wevrebs an momxreebs gaunelon<br />
sakuTari gundis dakarguli<br />
rwmena.<br />
_ „rusTavi 2-Tan” mimarTebiTac<br />
saubrobdnen xelisu-<br />
flebis interesebze, Tumca<br />
vxedavT, rom mas Semdeg, rac<br />
televizia qibar xalvaSs dau-<br />
brunda, saredaqcio politika<br />
ucvlelad darCa. rogor fiqrobT,<br />
xelisufleba etapobrivad<br />
Secvlis saredaqcio politikas<br />
Tu es marTla iyo sa-<br />
marTlebrivi dava qonebisTvis?<br />
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`bevrs vsaubrobdiT ruseTis e. w. rbil<br />
Zalaze, aRmoCnda, rom maincdamainc mZlavri<br />
ar yofila es rbili Zala. qveyanaSi ruseTis,<br />
rogorc saxelmwifos sawinaaRmdego ganwyoba<br />
sakmaod Zlieria da SeiZleba, amis garSemo<br />
adamianebis mobilizeba moxdes, rasac<br />
xelisufleba ar fiqrobda. mmarTvel gundSic<br />
da ruseTSic egonaT, rom ruseTis<br />
sawinaaRmdego ganwyobebi aris `nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis~ Tema, romelic mxolod<br />
`nacionaluri moZraobis~ momxreebisTvis aris<br />
emociurad mniSvnelovani da mxolod maTi<br />
mobilizacia SeiZleba am Temis garSemo.<br />
aRmoCnda, rom es ase ar yofila~<br />
avT, rom qibar xalvaSi marTlac<br />
ibrZoda misi azriT samarTlianobis<br />
aRdgenisTvis da es iyo<br />
misi motivi, axla ki, ubralod,<br />
iqneba „rusTavi 2-is” mflobeli<br />
da es mediaorganizacia iqneba<br />
realurad damoukidebeli, _<br />
amas ver gamovricxavT, magram es<br />
garkveul winaaRmdegobaSi Sedis<br />
bevr ramesTan: roca qibar<br />
xalvaSi „rusTavi 2-is” mflobeli<br />
iyo 2004-2006 wlebSi, yvela<br />
miiCnevda, rom is ar iyo kompaniis<br />
realuri mflobeli. maSindeli<br />
saredaqcio politika im-<br />
Jamindeli xelisuflebis maamebluri<br />
iyo, mkveTrad saxelisuflebo.<br />
xalvaSi ar Cans is adamiani,<br />
romelsac mediisadmi interesi<br />
aqvs. Tu CavTvliT, rom<br />
maSin xalvaSi iaraRi iyo imisTvis,<br />
raTa imis wina mflobelebisTvis<br />
waerTmiaT „rusTavi 2",<br />
axla ratom davijeroT, rom<br />
qibar xalvaSi damoukidebeli<br />
moTamaSe gaxda?! logikuria vivaraudoT,<br />
rom qibar xalvaSi<br />
ubralod biznesmenia, romelsac<br />
bizneswarmateba ainteresebs.<br />
imisTvis, rom misi biznesi warmatebiT<br />
ganviTardes, is karg<br />
urTierTobaSi unda iyos axlandel<br />
xelisuflebasTan, ase<br />
fiqrobs qarTveli biznesmenebis,<br />
albaT, 99%. is sanam kargad<br />
iyo wina xelisuflebasTan, am<br />
kargad yofnis nawili gaxldaT<br />
formalurad mis saxelze gadaformebuli<br />
„rusTavi 2". rac<br />
Seexeba imas, rom jerjerobiT<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” saredaqcio politika<br />
ar Secvlila, es Zalian<br />
saintereso movlenaa. sazogadoebaSi<br />
iyo gancda, rom meore<br />
dRidan Seicvleboda, Tumca ase<br />
ar moxda. am SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba<br />
ivaraudo, rom xelisuflebas<br />
ar unda metismetad aSkara gaxdes<br />
is faqti, rom „rusTavi 2-<br />
is” saqme Tavidanve politikurad<br />
iyo motivirebuli, saredaqcio<br />
politikis mkveTri cvlileba<br />
ki amis maCvenebeli iqneboda.<br />
maT surT, rom es cvlileba<br />
moxdes TandaTanobiT, TvalSi<br />
sacemi rom ar iyos. SesaZloa,<br />
maT ar hqondaT mkafio gegma, ra<br />
rogor unda gaekeTebinaT. rogorc<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” xelmZRvanelobisTvis<br />
iyo moulodneli<br />
strasburgis sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba,<br />
aseve xelisuflebisTvisac<br />
moulodneli iyo. Sesa-<br />
Zloa, ramdenime dRiT adre<br />
gaiges am gadawyvetilebis Sesaxeb,<br />
magram arsebiTi strategia<br />
ar hqoniaT. amisTvis ar iyvnen<br />
mzad da axla fiqroben, ra gaakeTon.<br />
isedac, rodesac axali<br />
mflobeli xar, aralogikuria,<br />
rom araferi Secvalo televiziaSi.<br />
magaliTad, sazogadoebriv<br />
mauwyebelze axali direqtori<br />
rom modis, Zvel gadacemebs<br />
xuravs, axals iwyebs da a.<br />
S. nika gvaramiac rom movida<br />
„rusTavi 2-Si”, manac Secvala.<br />
roca arafers cvlis, esec garkveul<br />
eWvs badebs, rom imitom ki<br />
ar cvlis, rom Secvala ar unda,<br />
aramed imitom, rom imaze fiqrobs,<br />
es politikurad rogor<br />
gamoCndeba; meore mxriv ki ar<br />
icoda, rad undoda „rusTavi 2".<br />
icoda, rom undoda „rusTavi 2",<br />
magram risTvis undoda, ar icoda.<br />
aseve aucileblad minda<br />
aRvniSno: yvelam viciT da yvela<br />
mediaeqsperti ambobs, rom<br />
saqarTveloSi televizia momgebiani<br />
biznesi ar aris. Tu qibar<br />
xalvaSs an sxva vinmes televizia<br />
unda, imitom ki ar unda, rom<br />
iqidan dividendebs moipovebs<br />
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unda Cados fuli, magram<br />
es televizia sxva rameSi<br />
gamoadgeba, politikuri, gavlenis<br />
instrumentia. aqedan gamomdinarec,<br />
gaugebari xdeba xalva-<br />
Sis motivi, ratom ibrZoda<br />
„rusTavi 2-isTvis”. is ibrZoda,<br />
rogorc biznesmeni da imedi<br />
hqonda, rom „rusTavi 2-iT”<br />
fuls gaakeTebda, es Zalian Zneli<br />
dasajerebelia, TviTonac<br />
ambobs, rom piriqiT, fuli unda<br />
Cados. man es winaswarac icoda.<br />
Tu imitom undoda, rom qarTuli<br />
mediis ganviTarebisTvis<br />
zrunavs, maSin raRac gegma unda<br />
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gamxdariyo „rusTavi 2" mas Semdeg,<br />
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yvela politikuri aqtori,<br />
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unda davupirispirdeT im<br />
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lia?<br />
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ukidebeli media, „rusTavi 2", xelisuflebam,<br />
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yvetileba da amitomac ar iyo<br />
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msgavsi Sefasebebi da Seicavs Tu<br />
ara es damokidebuleba garkveul<br />
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konkretul gadawyvetilebaze<br />
vinmes hqondes kritikuli Sefaseba.<br />
strasburgis sasamarTlos<br />
Tavisi istoriis manZilze miuRia<br />
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ar iyo swori. ase rom, „wminda<br />
Zroxa”, ra Tqma unda, aravin<br />
aris, metic, „wminda Zroxac” ki ar<br />
aris wminda. yvelas kritika Sei-<br />
Zleba. xelisuflebam aikviata,<br />
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gakritikeba. me vfiqrob,<br />
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yovelTvis vambobdi da dResac<br />
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`qveyanas marTavs<br />
xelisufleba,<br />
romelic<br />
mizanmimarTulad<br />
ebrZvis<br />
yvelafers, rac<br />
mniSvnelovania<br />
Cveni qveynis<br />
siZlierisTvis~<br />
li gadawyvetileba gaakritiko,<br />
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konkretuli sasamarTlo gadawyvetileba<br />
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interpretirdes. am<br />
SemTxvevaSi me da aseve Zalian<br />
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Tu riT SeiZleba aixsnas<br />
igi, vfiqrob, rom am SemTxvevaSi<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” saqmeze sasamarTlos<br />
im konkretulma Semadgenlobam,<br />
romelmac es saqme<br />
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airCia. es konservatoruli<br />
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romelic sxva iuridiuli teqnikiTa<br />
da taqtikiT miudgeboda am<br />
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sxva Sedegi migveRo. ubralod,<br />
vfiqrob, rom es aris konkretuli<br />
SemTxveva, rodesac, Cveni<br />
qveynisTvis samwuxarod, aRniSnuli<br />
meTodiT saqmis ganxilvam<br />
qveyanaSi demokratiis winaaRmdeg<br />
imuSava.<br />
_ mas Semdeg, rac „rusTavi 2-<br />
Si” qibar xalvaSi daubrunda, yvelas<br />
hqonda gancda, rom saredaqcio<br />
politika maSinve Seicvleboda,<br />
Tumca vxedavT, rom, jerjerobiT,<br />
televizia ganagrZobs ar-<br />
sebuli saredaqcio politikiT<br />
muSaobas, amitom gaCnda kiTxva, _<br />
iqneb, sulac ar iyo xelisufleb-<br />
is mizani „rusTavi 2-is” gaCume-<br />
`rogorc Cans, gaxaria sakmaod sando<br />
partnioria ivaniSvilis politikuri dakveTis<br />
TvalsazrisiT, vgulisxmob moskovs.<br />
Sesabamisad, is ivaniSvilisTvis advilad<br />
dasaTmobi kadri ar aris~<br />
ba? ras ityviT amasTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT, Tu interesi aqvs xe-<br />
lisuflebas, ratom ar cvlis<br />
saredaqcio politikas?<br />
_ Cemi varaudiT, xalvaSi fiqrobs,<br />
rom es televizia gayidos<br />
da ase nel-nela CamoSalon arsebuli<br />
gundi, saredaqcio politikac.<br />
amisTvis, albaT, ramdenime<br />
Tve dasWirdebaT. rogorc Cans,<br />
gadawyvites, rom ase ufro rbilad<br />
gaauqmon arsebuli saredaqcio<br />
politika da „rusTavi 2",<br />
rogorc is televizia, romelsac<br />
sazogadoeba icnobda da uyvarda.<br />
rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, „rusTavi<br />
2-is” CamoSlis Semdeg, vfiqrob,<br />
„rusTavi 2", realurad, Cvens qveyanaSi<br />
wlebis manZilze iyo saredaqcio<br />
politikisa da politikuri<br />
mimarTulebis mTavari prodasavluri<br />
platforma. Cven vnaxeT,<br />
„rusTavi 2-Tan” dakavSirebul<br />
cvlilebebs rogori gamoxmaureba<br />
moyva ruseTis presaSi, „rusTavi<br />
2"-ze saubroben rusi politikosebic<br />
ki. ase rom, am SemTxveva-<br />
Si safrTxe eqmneba ara romelime<br />
konkretul politikur Zalas,<br />
aramed ivaniSvili dRes prodasavlur<br />
platformas Slis. miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom ar mgonia, Tanamedrove<br />
realobaSi ivaniSvilma Sei-<br />
Zleba alternatiuli sainformacio<br />
wyaroebi mospos, albaT, Seiqmneba<br />
kidec alternatiuli sainformacio<br />
wyaroebi. Cven movismineT<br />
gancxadebebi axali televiziis<br />
Seqmnis Taobaze, magram am istoriul<br />
momentSi „rusTavi 2-is”<br />
CamoSla Zalian did dartymas miayenebs<br />
qveyanas, mis evropul momavals<br />
da qveyanaSi prodasavlur<br />
Rirebulebebs, radgan alternatiuli<br />
sainformacio wyaroebis<br />
Seqmnas mainc garkveuli dro sWirdeba.<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” CamoSla didi<br />
dartyma iqneba Cveni sazogadoebisTvis,<br />
radgan garda prodasavluri<br />
kursisa, „rusTavi 2" aris is<br />
televizia, sadac yvelaze xSirad<br />
ismis mTavrobis safuZvliani kritika,<br />
Suqdeba is Temebi, rac sazogadoebas<br />
awuxebs da am yvelafris<br />
CamoSla sazogadoebriv interess<br />
Zalian seriozulad „urtyams”,<br />
radgan swored sazogadoebis<br />
interesSia, rom hyavdes mwvaved<br />
kritikuli mediasaSualeba,<br />
rogorc xelisuflebis erT-erTi<br />
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reputacia gaucamtverda~<br />
makontrolebeli rgoli.<br />
_ Tqveni Tanagundeli nika<br />
melia SidapatimrobaSia, daakaves<br />
irakli oqruaSvilic. rogor<br />
fiqrobT, ras emsaxureba poli-<br />
tikuri liderebis daWera da<br />
raze metyvelebs xelisuflebis<br />
mxridan msgavsi qmedebebi?<br />
_ Cven vxedavT da gamokiTxvebic<br />
amas adasturebs, rom ivaniSvilsa<br />
da mis politikur Zalas<br />
Cvens qveyanaSi mxardaWera aRar<br />
aqvs. misi politikuri partiis<br />
mxardaWera Zalian dabalia, ivani-<br />
Svilis mimarT ki sazogadoebaSi<br />
uzarmazri negativi arsebobs, bevrad<br />
ufro meti adamiani ivaniSvils<br />
negatiurad afasebs, vidre<br />
pozitiurad. ivaniSvils reputacia<br />
gaucamtverda. es yvelaferi<br />
ki moaswavebs mxolod erT rames,<br />
_ ivaniSvils Zalauflebis Senar-<br />
Cuneba Zalian gauWirdeba, amitom<br />
is axla fiqrobs, rom Tu politikuri<br />
moTamaSeebis ganeitralebas<br />
moaxerxebs, SeinarCunebs Zalauflebas.<br />
Cven vxedavT, rom nika<br />
melias man, faqtobrivad, SeuzRuda<br />
politikuri saqmianobis Sesa-<br />
Zleblobebi, aseve vxedavT, rom<br />
nika gvaramias winaaRmdeg samarTlebrivi<br />
devnis procesis dawyebas<br />
fiqrobs; xelisufleba cdilobs,<br />
xeli SeuSalos gvaramias, rom<br />
gaagrZelos saqmianoba alternatiuli<br />
televiziis Seqmnis gziT.<br />
isini fiqroben, rom am Zaladobrivi<br />
xerxebiT pirdapir daanonsebuli<br />
politikuri teroriT,<br />
rodesac gamoacxades, rom gadatrialebis<br />
mcdeloba iyo qveyana-<br />
Si, vxedavT, rom iWeren aqciis<br />
monawileebs, rac erTaderT mizans<br />
emsaxureba, es sazogadoebisa<br />
da adamianebis dafrTxobaa,<br />
rom maT Tavi Seikavon aqtiuri<br />
poziciebis dafiqsirebisgan. realurad,<br />
qveyanaSi myardeba Zalian<br />
represiuli politikuri sistema,<br />
ivaniSvili fiqrobs, rom am represiuli<br />
politikuri sistemiT Se-<br />
Zlebs qveyanaSi Zalauflebis SenarCunebas,<br />
Tumca mas ar esmis,<br />
saqarTveloSi am meTodebiT Zalauflebis<br />
SenarCuneba araviTar<br />
SemTxvevaSi ar gamouva. es qveyana<br />
da Cveni sazogadoeba ukve sakmarisad<br />
aris ganviTarebuli, rom<br />
ivaniSvilma msgavsi gzebiT ver<br />
SeaCeros demokratiuli procesi.<br />
_ mamuka xazaraZis winaaRmde-<br />
gac daiwyo aqtiuri procesebi,<br />
mas giraoc Seufardes. rogor<br />
fiqrobT, aris Tu ara es ivaniSvilis<br />
mxridan misi, rogorc mo-<br />
mavali politikuri figuris ga-<br />
neitralebis mcdeloba? rogor<br />
SeafasebT mis politikaSi Semos-<br />
vlas da „nacionaluri moZraoba”<br />
ganixilavs Tu ara samomavlod<br />
masTan TanamSromlobas?<br />
_ mamuka xazaraZe sakuTari<br />
socialuri kapitaliT, igive finansuri<br />
SesaZleblobebiT, reputaciiTa<br />
da a. S. Tu Semova politikur<br />
procesSi, umniSvnelo moTamaSe<br />
ar iqneba politikur velze.<br />
es Zalian kargad icis ivaniSvilma<br />
da swored amitom daiwyo mis<br />
winaaRmdeg samarTlebrivi devna.<br />
rac Seexeba Cvens SesaZlo aliansebs,<br />
yovelTvis vambobdiT da<br />
dResac igivea Cveni pozicia, rom<br />
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`strasburgis sasamarTlos Tavisi istoriis manZilze miuRia<br />
gadawyvetilebebi, Semdeg ki istoriam gvaCvena, rom es gadawyvetileba ar<br />
iyo swori. ase rom, "wminda Zroxa", ra Tqma unda, aravin aris, metic,<br />
"wminda Zroxac" ki ar aris wminda. yvelas kritika SeiZleba. xelisuflebam<br />
aikviata, rom ar SeiZleba strasburgis sasamarTlos gakritikeba~<br />
ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg aucilebelia<br />
erTiani, prodasavluri<br />
frontis gaerTianeba. Sesabamisad,<br />
yvela politikuri moTamaSe, romelic<br />
sakuTari politikuri orientaciiT<br />
aris prodasavluri, Sesabamisad<br />
iziarebs Cvens ZiriTad<br />
xedvebs sagareo politikasTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
vfiqrob, aseT SemTxvevaSi<br />
erTmaneTi yvelam unda ganvixiloT<br />
mokavSired. Tu aqamde<br />
vinmes eWvi epareboda, bolo Tveebis<br />
manZilze Zalian naTeli gaxda,<br />
rom ivaniSvils, realurad,<br />
ufro da ufro swrafi tempebiT<br />
mihyavs saqarTvelos mosaxleoba<br />
swored iqiTken, saiTac umravlesobas<br />
wasvla ar unda, am SemTxvevaSi<br />
vgulisxmob ruseTs da<br />
ruseTis politikur-ekonomikuri<br />
zegavlenis aRdgenas qveyanaSi.<br />
_ sul ufro aqtualuri xde-<br />
ba erovnuli valutis kursis Te-<br />
ma, larma gaufasurebis rekordi<br />
moxsna, am viTarebaSi ki xelisufleba<br />
swored opozicias akisrebs<br />
pasuxismgeblobas. xelisuflebis<br />
warmomadgenlebisgan vis-<br />
menT, rom Seqmnili krizisi<br />
opoziciis bralia. ras upasuxebT<br />
xelisuflebis am braldebas?<br />
_ laris progresuli gaufasureba<br />
dolarTan mimarTebiT<br />
ukve mravali welia, mimdinareobs<br />
`mamuka xazaraZe sakuTari socialuri kapitaliT,<br />
igive finansuri SesaZleblobebiT, reputaciiTa<br />
da a. S. Tu Semova politikur procesSi,<br />
umniSvnelo moTamaSe ar iqneba politikur velze.<br />
es Zalian kargad icis ivaniSvilma~<br />
da es procesi swored im dRidan<br />
daiwyo, rodesac ivaniSvili qveyanaSi<br />
Zalauflebas daepatrona. es<br />
aris xelisuflebis mier gatarebuli<br />
politikis pirdapiri Sedegi.<br />
Cven vnaxeT, rom gasul dReeb-<br />
Si centralurma bankma intervecia<br />
ganaxorciela im rekomendaciebis<br />
Sesabamisad, romelic davafiqsireT,<br />
roman giciriZem sakmaod<br />
vrclad isaubra im nabijebze,<br />
romelic xelisuflebas unda<br />
gadaedga. es nabijebi gadadges da<br />
dRes davinaxeT, rom dastabilureba<br />
SeiniSneba. laris gaufasureba<br />
ki erTaderT rames niSnavs,<br />
_ qveyanas marTavs xelisufleba,<br />
romelic mizanmimarTulad ebrZvis<br />
yvelafers, rac mniSvnelovania<br />
Cveni qveynis siZlierisTvis,<br />
maT Soris, Cvens erovnul valutas.<br />
xelisufleba swor nabijebs<br />
rom dgamdes, es viTareba aqamde<br />
ar mividoda, magram veWvob, samwuxarod,<br />
biZina ivaniSvilis interesebi<br />
ar aris igive, rac Cveni<br />
xalxis interesebia, magaliTad,<br />
erovnuli valutis siZliere da<br />
ekonomikuri ganviTareba. rac<br />
ufro gaRatakebuli iqneba es qveyana<br />
da rac ufro meti adamiani<br />
icxovrebs siRaribis zRvars miRma,<br />
miT ufro iafi ujdeba ivaniSvils<br />
Zalauflebis SenarCuneba. is<br />
amas, samwuxarod, ase uyurebs.<br />
Zlieri da ganviTarebuli sazogadoeba,<br />
ra Tqma unda, ivaniSvilis<br />
politikur sistemas bevrad ufro<br />
swrafad daasamarebda, amitomac<br />
ivaniSvili gamiznulad aRaribebs<br />
qarTul sazogadoebas. es aris is<br />
realoba, romelsac vxedavT.<br />
_ bolo periodSi vrceldeba<br />
informacia, rom Semodgomaze<br />
premier-ministris posts biZina<br />
ivvaniSvili daikavebs. es gadaw-<br />
yvetileba Secvlis Tu ara dadebiTad<br />
„qarTuli ocnebis” poli-<br />
tikur mocemulobas, Tu amas<br />
arsebiTi mniSvneloba ar eqneba?<br />
_ ivaniSvili Cvens saxelmwifo-<br />
Si imdenad diskreditebulia, rom<br />
is Seecada Seeqmna araformaluri<br />
mmarTvelobis sistema. TiTqos is<br />
sadRac imaleba da viRac sxvam<br />
unda marTos qveyana, magram xalxi<br />
Zalian brZenia da politikur pasuxismgeblobas<br />
swored ivaniSvils<br />
akisrebs imaze, rac qveyana-<br />
Si xdeba. ase rom, ivaniSvilis dabruneba<br />
aqtiur politikur asparezze<br />
arafers Secvlis. Cveni<br />
qveynisTvis da Cveni mosaxleobisTvis<br />
is ukve srulad diskreditebuli<br />
politikuri figuraa.<br />
_ im pirobebSi, roca SesaZloa,<br />
uaxloes periodSi Seicvalos<br />
„rusTavi 2-is” saredaqcio poli-<br />
tika, amis paralelurad ki aseve,<br />
SesaZloa, gagrZeldes opozi-<br />
cioneri politikuri liderebis<br />
dapatimrebis seria, am mocemu-<br />
lobaSi rogoria „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” samoqmedo gegma? je-<br />
rjerobiT „nacionaluri moZrao-<br />
ba” mTavar opoziciur Zalad<br />
ganixileba. rogor apirebT 2020<br />
wlamde daupirispirdeT, rog-<br />
orc ambobT, politikur repre-<br />
siebsa da ivaniSvilis reJims?<br />
_ Cven seqtembridan Zalian aqtiurad<br />
daviwyebT, pirvel rigSi,<br />
sazogadoebrivi azris mobilizebas.<br />
aqtiurad vimuSavebT regionebSi<br />
Cvens amomrCevlebTan, aseve<br />
gagrZeldeba aqciebi da sazogadoebis<br />
mobilizeba. saqarTvelo<br />
Zalian patara qveyanaa, ra Tqma<br />
unda, televiziis daniSnuleba Zalian<br />
mniSvnelovania, magram aranakleb<br />
mniSvnelovania piradi urTierToba<br />
amomrCevelTan da xalx-<br />
Tan, rasac Cven vapirebT, rom seqtembridanve<br />
qtiurad SevudgeT.<br />
es iqneba yoveldRiuri muSaoba<br />
Cvens xalxTan, rom, pirvel rigSi,<br />
maT gavagebinoT is cvlilebebi,<br />
rac Cven gvsurs am qveynisTvis,<br />
rac, realurad, erTaderTi gzaa<br />
Cveni saxelmwifoebriobis gadar-<br />
Cenisa im gamowvevebis fonze, romelic<br />
ivaniSvilma Seqmna.<br />
_ proporciul sistemaze ga-<br />
dasvla iTvaliswinebs blokebis<br />
akrZalvasac. ras gegmavs gaer-<br />
Tianebuli opozicia? ganixilavT<br />
Tu ara gaerTianebuli opoziciis<br />
calke partiad daregistrire-<br />
bas?<br />
_ konsultaciebi mimdinareobs<br />
da vnaxoT, rogor CamovyalibdebiT.<br />
darwmunebuli var, rom Semdeg<br />
saparlamento arCevnebs nebismier<br />
saarCevno sistemaSi „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” moigebs, radgan sazogadoebam<br />
Zalian kargad icis, rom<br />
swored „nacionaluri moZraobaa”<br />
is partia, romelsac realurad<br />
Seswevs Zala, daamarcxos ivaniSvili<br />
da Secvalos xelisufleba.<br />
amitom Cven ar ganvixilavT aranair<br />
gamowvevad da safrTxed nulovan<br />
bariers. vfiqrob, rom nulovani<br />
barieri SesaZloa, ufro<br />
sxva tipis safrTxeebs aCendes qveyanaSi,<br />
magram, meore mxriv, mimaCnia,<br />
rom sazogadoebam Zalian kargad<br />
iswavla Savisa da TeTris garCeva.<br />
ivaniSvils Tu aqvs iluzia,<br />
rom marTul partiebs Seqmnis da<br />
maTi gziT Seecdeba sazogadoebis<br />
motyuebas, darwmunebuli var,<br />
sazogadoeba amas ar miiRebs da<br />
Semdeg arCevnebze erTxmad gascems<br />
pasuxs ivaniSvils qveynis<br />
mTavari opoziciuri Zalis mxardaWeris<br />
gziT.<br />
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`Tu ivaniSvili vinmes azrs<br />
nebismieri Cvengani xvdeba, rom<br />
giorgi abaSiZe<br />
bolo dros qveyana im mRvrie wyals<br />
daemsgavsa, sadac Tevzis daWera<br />
advilia. vin aamRvria es wyali da vin cdilobs Tevzis daW-<br />
eras, anu igive 20 ivnisis Semdeg ganviTarebuli movlenebiT<br />
romeli politikuri gundi ixeirebs yvelaze metad? _ am kiTx-<br />
vaze, ra Tqma unda, erTmniSvnelovani pasuxi ar arsebobs, Tum-<br />
ca politikur da analitikur wreebSi ukve Riad mianiSneben,<br />
rom „evropuli saqarTvelo” sakuTar politikur TamaSs Tama-<br />
Sobs. amasTan, is mosazrebac ufro da ufro aqtualuri xdeba,<br />
rom „evropelebis” TamaSis wesebi „ocnebisTvisac” misaRebia.<br />
axla, es mosazreba SesaZloa,<br />
vinmes SeTqmulebis Teoriad mo-<br />
eCvenos, magram „qristian-demok-<br />
ratuli moZraobis” lideri, goCa<br />
jojua, Cvens gamocemasTan interviuSi<br />
pirdapir ambobs, rom biZi-<br />
na ivaniSvili yvelaze metad giga<br />
bokerias usmens. batoni jojua am<br />
mosazrebas argumentebiT am-<br />
yarebs da amasTan, erT skandalur<br />
gancxadebasac akeTebs, anu mianiSnebs,<br />
rom im politikosebis naw-<br />
ili, romelic prodasavluri ideebis<br />
gamtareblad gvevlineba, sinamdvileSi,<br />
rusuli scenariT mo-<br />
qmedebs!<br />
mokled, rogoria dRevandeli<br />
saqarTvelos politikuri dRis<br />
wesrigi da ra moxdeba Semodgo-<br />
maze? _ „qronika+” gTavazobT skandalur<br />
intervius goCa jojua-<br />
sTan:<br />
_ batono goCa, 20 ivnisis Semdeg,<br />
SeiZleba iTqvas, rom poli-<br />
tikur jojoxeTSi vcxovrobT.<br />
_ diax, 20-ma ivnisma axali politikuri<br />
dRis wesrigi SemogvTavaza.<br />
_ da es axali dRis wesrigi vi-<br />
sTvisaa kargi da visTvis _ cudi?<br />
_ ase calsaxad ver vityviT,<br />
rom vinmesTvis kargia da vinmesTvis<br />
_ cudi. zogadad, dadebi-<br />
Ti da uaryofiTic yvela movlenas<br />
aqvs. amitom gaaCnia, vin rogor<br />
gamoiyenebs da vin rogor ipozicionirebs.<br />
jerjerobiT vxedavT,<br />
rom xelisuflebam adekvaturi pasuxebis<br />
gacema ver SeZlo. erTaderTi,<br />
rac SeiZleba, 20 ivnisis adekvaturad<br />
CaiTvalos, proporciuli<br />
arCevnebis deklarirebaa, ramac<br />
situacia mTlianad Secvala, Tumca<br />
am deklarirebas nabijebis<br />
gadadgma ar mohyolia.<br />
_ am kuTxiT konkretuli<br />
nabijebis gadasadgmelad aRara-<br />
vis scalia, rameTu xelisufleba<br />
saxelmwifo gadatrialebis saqmes<br />
iZiebs, paralelurad, „rusTavi 2-<br />
is” garSemo movlenebi dramatu-<br />
lad viTardeba, Tineijeri lari<br />
ki „davaJkacebas” amaod cdilobs...<br />
ise, CvenSi darCes da, am oromtri-<br />
alSi proporciuli arCevnebi<br />
opoziciasac daaviwyda.<br />
_ diax, mec swored amaze vsaubrob,<br />
anu im pozitivis gamoyeneba,<br />
romelic 20 ivnisis Ramem moitana,<br />
xelisuflebam ver SeZlo.<br />
_ „gamoyenebaSi” ras gulisx-<br />
mobT?<br />
_ xelisuflebam ver SeZlo, rom<br />
es pozitivi mosaxleobisTvis da,<br />
aseve, opoziciuri partiebisTvis<br />
ise miewodebina, rom sargebeli<br />
enaxa. samagierod, xelisuflebam<br />
daWerebi daiwyo da fiqrobs, rom<br />
es daWerebi mosaxleobis im nawilze,<br />
romelic misi eleqtoratia<br />
an potenciurad misi eleqtoratia<br />
da yoveldRe kargavs, dadebiTad<br />
muSaobs, anu xelisufleba am daWerebiT<br />
cdilobs, Tqvas, ai, uunaro<br />
ar var da xom xedavT, daWerac<br />
SemiZlia da krizisis dros nabijebis<br />
gadadgmaco.<br />
_ ar mgonia, daWerebiT „ocneb-<br />
is” uunarobis imiji gaifantos,<br />
magram, batono goCa, unda CagekiTxoT:<br />
deklarirebuli propor-<br />
ciuli arCevnebi opoziciam ratomRa<br />
daiviwya, am situaciaSi „an-<br />
tiocnebelebisTvis” am Temaze<br />
saubari aramomgebiania?<br />
_ modiT, CavwvdeT, mTavari arsi<br />
ra aris: opoziciis is nawili,<br />
romelic saparlamentoa, am SemTxvevaSi,<br />
„nacionalur moZraobasa”<br />
da mis ganayof „evropul saqarTvelos”<br />
vgulisxmob...<br />
_ neba momeciT, isev ar dageTanxmoT,<br />
radgan „nacebi” da „evro-<br />
pelebi” erTmaneTTan Txa da<br />
mglebiviT arian.<br />
_ diax, danayofi sityvis masalad<br />
vTqvi, Torem isini CemTvis,<br />
rasakvirvelia, erTni ar arian!<br />
partiis SigniT mimdinare dapirispireba<br />
Cveulebrivi movlenaa, magram<br />
roca es dapirispireba gayofiT<br />
mTavrdeba, ukve or subieqts<br />
viRebT, romelsac erTmaneTTan<br />
dapirispireba aqvs, radgan orive<br />
Tavis damkvidrebas cal-calke<br />
cdilobs, magram aris momentebi,<br />
roca am ori subieqtis interesebi<br />
erTmaneTs emTxveva.<br />
_ am SemTxvevaSi „nacebisa” da<br />
„evropelebis” interesebi erTma-<br />
neTs emTxveva?<br />
_ iciT, rogor aris? _ „nacionalurma<br />
moZraobam” Tundac 2003<br />
wels, roca qveynisTvis mravalpartiuli<br />
parlamenti mniSvnelovani<br />
iyo, situacia iqamde miiyvana, rom<br />
Zalaufleba mxolod Tavad aeRo<br />
da dResac am scenaris ganviTareba<br />
unda, anu „nacmoZraoba”<br />
fiqrobs, rom maqsimalurad arastabiluri<br />
garemo misTvis momgebiania,<br />
radgan amiT xelisuflebaSi<br />
mosvlis Sansi uCndeba!<br />
_ e. i., xelaRebiT ver uarvyofT,<br />
rom saxelmwifo gadatri-<br />
aleba, Tundac verbalur doneze,<br />
ar igegmeboda?<br />
_ yvela politikur partias xelisuflebaSi<br />
mosvlis amocana aqvs<br />
da es Cveulebrivia. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
„nacionalebis” gamtyuneba,<br />
xelisuflebaSi am gziT mosvla<br />
ratom undaTo, TavisTavad arasworia,<br />
Tumca SefasebiT nawilSi<br />
SegviZlia, davsvaT kiTxva: qveynis<br />
ganviTarebisTvis romeli gza sjobia<br />
_ is, rac „nacmoZraobas” surs<br />
Tu mravalpartiuli da stabiluri<br />
garemo, romlis dasawyisic 2020<br />
gaxdeba? mokled, dRes aseTi arCevanis<br />
winaSe vdgavarT da „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” Tavis arCevans<br />
akeTebs, magram sxva saqmea, es arCevani<br />
danarCen opozicias da aseve<br />
xelisuflebas awyobs Tu ara. aqve<br />
kidev erTxel gavimeoreb, rom xelisufleba<br />
mTel rig sakiTxebSi<br />
araadekvaturia da situacias ki ar<br />
marTavs, aramed raRacebze reagirebebs<br />
axdens. arada, xelisuflebas<br />
SeuZlia, rom iniciativa<br />
aiRos.<br />
_ batono goCa, am fonze Tan-<br />
daTan fexs ikidebs mosazreba,<br />
rom „evropuli saqarTvelos”<br />
liderebi, kerZod, goga bokeria<br />
da misi meuRle, Tamar CergoleiS-<br />
vili, romelic aRniSnuli parti-<br />
is mTavar ideologad iTvleba,<br />
TiTqos „ocnebis” TamaSs Tama-<br />
Soben. am versias iziarebT?<br />
_ ara.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ politikuri subieqti garkveul<br />
sakiTxebSi SesaZloa, meore<br />
subieqtis partniori ise gaxdes,<br />
rom amaze SeTanxmebac ar iyos saWiro,<br />
anu raRac situaciaSi Sesa-<br />
Zloa, rom politikuri subieqte-<br />
goCa jojua:<br />
`im politikosebis<br />
nawili, romelic<br />
sazogadoebaSi<br />
proamerikeladaa<br />
cnobili, rusul<br />
TamaSs TamaSobs!~<br />
bis interesebi erTmaneTs daemTxves.<br />
ai, magaliTad, „nacionalebTan”<br />
mimarTebiT „ocnebis” radikalizms<br />
„patriotTa aliansis” radikalizmi<br />
scdeba. „patriotTa aliansic”<br />
saparlamento partiaa, romelic<br />
ambobs, ki batono, ruseTi<br />
okupantia, magram am okupantTan<br />
mivdivar da masTan salaparakod<br />
vjdebio.<br />
_ sityvam moitana da, am dReeb-<br />
Si „patriotebi” gamovidnen ini-<br />
ciativiT, politikuri leqsikonidan<br />
sityva „okupanti” amoviRo-<br />
To...<br />
_ isini amboben, okupantis Zaxebas<br />
azri ar aqvs, Torem faqtia,<br />
rom okupantiao. ise, Tu daakvirdebiT,<br />
daviT Tarxan-mouarvi mxolod<br />
giga bokeriasRa lanZRavs,<br />
radgan misTvis mixeil saakaSvili<br />
aRar arsebobs.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ saakaSvilis miRma is giga bok-<br />
`Tarxan-mouravma, bokerias saxiT, Tavisi<br />
mteri airCia da pirdapir cecxli gauxsna. es<br />
ki imas niSnavs, rom `patriotTa alianss~<br />
SeuZlia, `ocnebas~ yvelaze radikaluri<br />
eleqtorati waarTvas. es is radikaluri<br />
eleqtoratia, romelic ufro met daWeras da<br />
aseve `nacionaluri moZraobis~, rogorc<br />
partiis gauqmebas iTxovs~<br />
erias xedavs, romelsac imis realuri<br />
Sansi aqvs, rom xval da zeg<br />
„nacmoZraoba” Caanacvlos, Tumca<br />
es imas ar niSnavs, rom dRes bokerias<br />
igive „nacionalebze” meti<br />
reitingi aqvs.<br />
mokled, Tarxan-mouravma, bokerias<br />
saxiT, Tavisi mteri airCia da<br />
pirdapir cecxli gauxsna. es ki<br />
imas niSnavs, rom „patriotTa alianss”<br />
SeuZlia, „ocnebas” yvelaze<br />
radikaluri eleqtorati waarTvas.<br />
es is radikaluri eleqtoratia,<br />
romelic ufro met daWeras<br />
da aseve „nacionaluri moZraobis”,<br />
rogorc partiis gauqmebas iTxovs.<br />
rac Seexeba bokerias, marTalia,<br />
man saxelmwifos Camoyalibebis<br />
saqmeSi didi wvlili Seitana, magram<br />
„nacionalurma moZraobam”<br />
saxelmwifo sisxlis fasad Seqmna.<br />
amitom bokeria yvelafer amas emijneba<br />
da ambobs, ki batono, imaze,<br />
rac guSin xdeboda, pasuxismgeblobas<br />
viRebT, magram dRes „nacmoZraoba”<br />
da „ocneba” erT relsebze<br />
dganano.<br />
saboloo jamSi, dRes bokeria,<br />
Tundac ideologiurad, ufro<br />
Camoyalibebulia, vidre _ „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba”.<br />
_ is, rom „nacmoZraoba” da<br />
„ocneba” erT relsebze dganan, Cemi<br />
azriT, utrirebuli warmod-<br />
genaa.<br />
_ ara, ratom? „nacmoZraobis”<br />
msgavsad, „ocnebasac” aqvs liberaluri,<br />
konservatiuli da Tundac<br />
federaluri frTebi. bokeria<br />
yovelTvis mkveTri liberalizmis<br />
momxre iyo.<br />
erTi sityviT, im konfiguraciis<br />
gaTvaliswinebiT, romelic 2020-<br />
Si unda „dajdes”, bokeria Tavis<br />
eleqtoralur nawilze muSaobs.<br />
_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-<br />
gram gamoricxavT, rom is scenari<br />
gaTamaSdes, romlis Sesaxebac „pa-<br />
triotTa aliansi” saubrobs, anu<br />
„ocnebam” bokerias xelisufleba<br />
xaverdovnad gadaabaros?<br />
_ igive koaliciuri mTavrobis<br />
Camoyalibebis procesSi, „nacmoZraobaze”<br />
prognozirebadi vin<br />
SeiZleba iyos?<br />
_ vin?<br />
_ „ocneba” partniorad SeiZleba,<br />
ufro giga bokerias aRiqvams,<br />
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qmnis, anu Tu biZina ivaniSvili<br />
vinmes azrs iTvaliswinebs, es giga<br />
bokeriaa!<br />
_ anu, am procesebiT, saboloo<br />
jamSi, mogebuli „evropuli<br />
saqarTvelo” darCeba, ara?<br />
_ rasakvirvelia, asea da zusti<br />
formulireba gaakeTeT. 20 ivnisidan<br />
moyolebuli, vinc procesebs<br />
warmarTavs da viszec SeiZleba<br />
vTqvaT, rom yvelafer amiT moigo,<br />
es „evropuli saqarTveloa”!<br />
_ ai, am dros, Tqven, anu arasa-<br />
parlamento opozicia sadaa,<br />
TamaSgare mdgomareobaSia?<br />
_ diax, Cven TiTqmis TamaSgare<br />
mdgomareobaSi varT da amasac<br />
Tavisi obieqturi mizezi aqvs.<br />
_ kerZod, ra mizezi?<br />
_ amomrCevlisa da sazogadoebis<br />
formirebas yvelaze metad satelevizio<br />
sivrce axdens. am mxriv<br />
tonis mimcemi „rusTavi 2" iyo,<br />
romelic mxolod „nacionalur<br />
moZraobas” ki ara, partnior „evropul<br />
saqarTvelosac” aSuqebda. am<br />
da sxva faqtorebis gaTvaliswinebiT,<br />
sxva politikuri speqtri<br />
mTlianad ganadgurebulia da Tu<br />
am kuTxiT konkretuli nabijebi ar<br />
gadaidga, maSin 2020-Sic isev orpolusian<br />
politikur velamde<br />
mivalT. amitom erT-erTi polusis<br />
CamoSlac ki qveynisTvis ukeTesi<br />
iqneba, radgan meoe polusic Tavis<br />
funqcias bunebrivad dakargavs.<br />
zogadad, es sqema marto saqarTveloSi<br />
ki ara, mTel msoflioSi<br />
muSaobs.<br />
_ e. i., is, rac „rusTavi 2-is”<br />
garSemo xdeba, dadebiTia, rameTu<br />
mZlavri mediamxardamWeris daka-<br />
rgviT „nacmoZraoba” CamoiSleba<br />
da amas, avtomaturad, „ocnebis”<br />
CamoSlac mohyveba. Tqveni naTq-<br />
vami sworad gavige?<br />
_ ki batono.<br />
_ amasobaSi ki bokeria sakuTar<br />
medias qmnis. yovel SemTxvevaSi,<br />
daviT kezeraSvilis televizia,<br />
romelic dRe-dReze Seiqmneba,<br />
„evropul saqarTveloze” imuSavebs.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, amis Sesax-<br />
eb pirvelad informacia Cveni<br />
gamocemis mTavarma redaqtorma,<br />
eliso kilaZem gaavrcela. hoda,<br />
arasaparlamento opozicia isev<br />
obsaidisTvisaa ganwiruli, ara?<br />
_ iciT, raxdeba?<br />
_ ra?<br />
_ aqamde xelisuflebas aseTi<br />
polusi awyobda da danarCen opozicias<br />
politikur velSi Semosvlis<br />
saSualebas ar aZlevda, radgan<br />
Tavs komfortulad grZnobda,<br />
Tumca axla xelisufleba mixvda,<br />
rom 2020-Si unda wavides.<br />
_ amas ris safuZvelze ambobT?<br />
_ formula, rom xelisufleba<br />
ori mowvevis Semdeg icvleba,<br />
yovelTvis muSaobs da saakaSvilic<br />
mixvda, rom meore mowvevis mere<br />
unda wasuliyo. am formulas verc<br />
ivaniSvili Secvlis da wava.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, imis Sesaxeb, rom<br />
„ocneba” 2020-Si xelisuflebaSi<br />
veRar darCeba, baxtaZem erT-erT<br />
Sexvedraze ukve ganacxada. yovel<br />
SemTxvevaSi, koaliciur mTavrobaze<br />
daiwyo laparaki. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
xelisufleba iZulebuli<br />
gaxdeba, rom igive telesivrceSi<br />
sxva televiziebic gaaCinos. es xelisuflebis<br />
mxridan adekvaturi<br />
nabiji iqneba.<br />
iTvaliswinebs, es bokeriaa!~<br />
`bokeria im TamaSs TamaSobs, romliTac<br />
ivaniSvils uxerxulobas uqmnis, magram bokeria<br />
bolomde radikalizms ar TamaSobs, anu<br />
opoziciis is nawili, romelic maqsimalur<br />
moTxovnebze midis, bokeria araa. amasTan,<br />
bokeria arc imas cdilobs, rom riggareSe<br />
arCevnebi dainiSnos. mas, ubralod, is ar<br />
unda, rom rusTaveli dakargos da rusTaveli<br />
"nacmoZraobas" gadaabaros, romelic<br />
radikalizmzea wamsvleli da romelic<br />
yvelafers gamoiyenebs, rom situacia<br />
maqsimalurad daiZabos da ivaniSvili<br />
rusebTan salaparakod daCoqili mivides!~<br />
weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, „nacmoZraobis”<br />
qmedebebi CemTvis bolomde<br />
misaRebi ar aris, magram<br />
gasagebia da Tu manac, daaxloebiT,<br />
es pozicia ar daiWira, wamgebian<br />
poziciaSi aRmoCndeba.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ imitom, rom brZola „ocnebasa”<br />
da e. w. liberalur opozicias<br />
Soris ki ar wava, aramed „ocneba”<br />
Seecdeba, rom brZolis velze<br />
is Zalebic gamoiyvanos, romelic<br />
liberalur frTasTan araa<br />
gaigivebuli.<br />
_ mokled, „ocnebam”, SesaZloa,<br />
arasaparlamento opozicias agin-<br />
ToT mwvane?<br />
_ ara, ara.<br />
_ aba?<br />
_ „ocneba” Seecdeba, rom igive<br />
satelevizio sivrcis raRac nawili<br />
gaxsnas da Sesabamisad, meore<br />
polusic iZulebuli gaxdeba, am<br />
politikur TamaSSi danarCenic<br />
Seiyvanos. „rusTavi 2" danarCen<br />
televiziebs tons aZlevda da es<br />
momenti namdvilad dadebiTi iyo<br />
_ „maestro” da „imedic” iZulebuli<br />
iyvnen, „rusTavi 2-is” tonze<br />
raRac reagireba moexdinaT.<br />
ar vici, „rusTavi 2-s” ra elis,<br />
magram iZulebuli gaxdeba, politikur<br />
da telesivrceSi sxva politikuri<br />
Zalebic Semoiyvanos, magram<br />
Tu xelisufleba adekvatur<br />
nabijebs ar gadadgams, maSin danarCeni<br />
politikuri partiebi iZulebuli<br />
gaxdebian, TamaSis im wesebs<br />
daeqvemdebaron, romelsac „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” an „evropuli<br />
saqarTvelo” gvTavazobs.<br />
_ vnaxoT, ra da rogor iqneba,<br />
magram Tundac iqidan gamom-<br />
dinare, rom erovnuli valuta<br />
dRiTi dRe ufasurdeba, 2020-mde<br />
mSvidad mivalT, anu socialuri<br />
bunti xom ar ifeTqebs?<br />
_ is, rasac axla getyviT,<br />
gasagebi mxolod maTTvis iqneba,<br />
visac cota meti analizis unari<br />
aqvs: Seuracxyofas aravis vayeneb,<br />
magram viTarebas SexedeT: evropasTan<br />
„qarTulma ocnebam” Tavisi<br />
situacia deklarirebis doneze<br />
gaarkvia, anu roca saqarTveloSi<br />
evrosabWos prezidenti Camovida,<br />
masTan pirdapir Tqves, rom 2020-<br />
Si mravalpartiuli da proporciuli<br />
arCevnebi Catardeba, romlis<br />
Sedegadac xelisuflebaSi koaliciuri<br />
mTavroba mova.<br />
axla „qarTul ocnebas” situacia<br />
ruseTTan aqvs gasarkvevi.<br />
garkveul gunds ruseTTan ivaniSvilis<br />
maqsimalurad CoqbjeniT miyvana<br />
awyobs. aviRoT Tundac igive<br />
`ivaniSvilma fuli araTu iSova, aramed<br />
SeinarCuna kidec, anu rogorc ki realur<br />
safrTxes dainaxavs, adekvatur nabijs<br />
gadadgams da ase moxda 20 ivnisis Semdeg,<br />
roca proporciul arCevnebze daTanxmda.<br />
mokled, axlac, Tu realur safrTxes<br />
dainaxavs, gadawyvetilebas instinqtis doneze<br />
miiRebs da imis resursi arsebobs, rom<br />
seqtembris Sua ricxvebidan an oqtombridan<br />
ekonomika, met-naklebad, dastabilurdes~<br />
gaxaria, romelic rusTavelis<br />
gamzirze mimdinare aqciis monawileebisTvis<br />
prorusul Zalad<br />
moiazreba.<br />
_ ukacravad, gaxaria ra SuaSia<br />
da, saerTod, raze saubrobT, ba-<br />
tono goCa?<br />
_ ivaniSvilisTvis gaxaria ufro<br />
meti safrTxis Semcvelia, vidre _<br />
aqciis monawileebisTvis.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ is iZulebulia, rusul Zalas<br />
angariSi gauwios.<br />
_ imas ambobT, rom ivaniSvili<br />
ruseTTan gaxariaTi vaWrobs?<br />
_ ara.<br />
_ aba?<br />
_ gaxarias ruseTTan marTlac<br />
kargad dalagebuli situacia aqvs.<br />
amitom ivaniSvilisTvis arakomfortulia,<br />
anu gaxarias moqmedebebma<br />
evropasTan miRweuli misi<br />
SeTanxmebebi TiTqmis nulamde<br />
daiyvana, Tumca evropa emociurad<br />
ki ara, Sedegobrivad xedavs, rom<br />
fundamenturi cvlileba gardauvalia,<br />
anu 2020-Si proporciuli<br />
arCevnebis Catareba da koalicuri<br />
mTavrobis Seqmna evropisTvis fundamenturi<br />
cvlilebaa. amiT ivaniSvilma<br />
yvelanairi garantia miiRo,<br />
rom misi usafrTxoeba daculi<br />
iqneba!<br />
_ socialur buntze gkiTxeT<br />
da pasuxi ar gameciT, batono<br />
goCa.<br />
_ pirdapir vTqvaT, saqarTvelos<br />
farglebs gareT CvenTan socialuri<br />
bunti vis awyobs?<br />
_ albaT, ruseTs, ara?<br />
_ diax, asea. aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
imis albaToba, rom politikuri<br />
temperatura sakmaod maRla<br />
avides, arsebobs.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, maqvs informacia,<br />
rom saamisod arcTu patara fulic<br />
ixarjeba. metic: im politikosebis<br />
nawili, romelic sazogadoebaSi<br />
proamerikelad aris cnobili,<br />
sinamdvileSi, rusul TamaSs<br />
TamaSobs, Tumca ar vici, yvelaferi<br />
es uneburad xdeba Tu<br />
gaTvlilia.<br />
_ visze mianiSnebT?<br />
_ maTze, vinc rusTavelze dganan<br />
da amboben, rom rusuli okupaciis<br />
winaaRmdegebi arian!<br />
_ moaruli informaciiT, anti-<br />
saokupacio aqciebis ukan bokeria<br />
dgas. e. i., ra xdeba?<br />
_ bokeria im TamaSs TamaSobs,<br />
romliTac ivaniSvils uxerxulobas<br />
uqmnis, magram bokeria bolomde<br />
radikalizms ar TamaSobs, anu<br />
opoziciis is nawili, romelic maqsimalur<br />
moTxovnebze midis, bokeria<br />
araa. amasTan, bokeria arc imas<br />
cdilobs, rom riggareSe arCevnebi<br />
dainiSnos. mas, ubralod, is ar<br />
unda, rom rusTaveli dakargos da<br />
rusTaveli „nacmoZraobas” gadaabaros,<br />
romelic radikalizmzea<br />
wamsvleli da romelic yvelafers<br />
gamoiyenebs, rom situacia maqsimalurad<br />
daiZabos da ivaniSvili<br />
rusebTan salaparakod daCoqili<br />
mivides! ai, es aris „nacmoZraobis”<br />
amocana da isic misi gamarjveba<br />
iqneba, Tu vadamdeli arCevnebi<br />
dainiSneba, Tumca rusTavelze vi-<br />
Tareba, jerjerobiT, wynarad vi-<br />
Tardeba da, minimum, Semodgomamde,<br />
garTulebebi ar iqneba.<br />
_ maSasadame, igive lari xelovnurad<br />
gaufasurda da yvelaferi<br />
es garkveuli politikuri<br />
jgufebisganaa manipu-<br />
lirebuli?<br />
_ albaT, gaxsovT, roca antisabanko<br />
isterika daiwyo da imaze<br />
saubrobdnen, rom mTel saqarTveloSi<br />
yvelafers bankebi marTaven.<br />
amas moyva logika, rom erT-erTi<br />
yvelaze warmatebuli „Tibisi banki”<br />
anakliis ports erovnuli interesebis<br />
doneze wyvets. sxvaTa<br />
Soris, anakliis portis ekonomikuri<br />
mxare salaparako aRaraa da<br />
darCenilia samxedo nawili.<br />
mokled, imis Tqma minda, rom<br />
bankebi qveynis politikis gansazRvraSi<br />
praqtikulad monawileoben,<br />
rac SemTxveviTi araa, anu ivaniSvils<br />
Tavisi interesebis gamo brZola<br />
erT mxares, „nacmoZraobasTan”<br />
uwevs, meore mxriv ki TavianTi interesebi<br />
bankebsac aqvT, romlebic<br />
valutasTan mimarTebiT calke<br />
TamaSs TamaSoben. erovnuli banki<br />
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politikuri velic SedarebiT adekvaturi<br />
gaxdes.<br />
_ uSvebT albaTobas, rom seqtembris<br />
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verc xalxi. raRac gacilebiT<br />
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_ situacia marTla Zalian rTulia<br />
da araordnaluri. SeiZleba<br />
masec davarqvaT, erTi oligarqis<br />
Tu erTi „msaxiobis” Teatric, oRond<br />
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realizeba arc eweraT da es<br />
imTaviTve cxadi iyo. saubari maqvs<br />
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viTom partiis liderad<br />
da xalxs dahpirda, rom Zalian male<br />
situacia Seicvleboda, rom dadga<br />
politikaSi misi Semobrunebis,<br />
misi meored mosvlis Jami, rom<br />
es ar undoda, magram iZulebuli<br />
gaxda, piradad iRebda pasuxismgeblobas<br />
da a. S., magram ra vnaxeT?<br />
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saprezidento arCevnebSi. es iyo,<br />
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TvalsazrisiT. kriminali<br />
izrdeba, qurduli garCevebi gar-<br />
Cevebzea, ager naxeT, adamians saer-<br />
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dros. saiT midis qveyana? risken<br />
mivemarTebiT? es xom gamovlili<br />
da nanaxi gvaqvs da CvenTvis,<br />
yvelasTvis, visac es gvaxsovs, Zalian<br />
mZimea igives yureba axla, 21-<br />
e saukuneSi. imis nacvlad, rom mivdiodeT<br />
win evropuli sazogadoebisken,<br />
evroatlantikuri sivrcisken,<br />
mivdivarT ruseTisken, sadac<br />
arc kanoni kanonobs, arc mravalpartiuloba<br />
arsebobs, arc media<br />
sivrce arsebobs, arseboben aqtiuri<br />
adamianebi, magram es aqtiuri<br />
adamianebi yovel wuTs SeiZleba<br />
aRmoCndnen cixeSi. qarTveli xalxis<br />
arCevani namdvilad araa Cveni<br />
qveynis ruseTisken svla da ruseTis<br />
magvari daxuruli, oligarqiuli,<br />
korumpirebuli qveynis Camoyalibeba.<br />
aseT SemTxvevaSi saqarTvelos<br />
momavali ar aqvs. me Zalian<br />
bevr adamianTan miwevs urTierToba,<br />
_ quCaSi, nebismieri gasvlisas<br />
minimum aT adamians velaparakebi,<br />
miziareben Tavis gulis tkivils.<br />
qveyanaSi socialuri foni mZimdeba.<br />
amas emateba apaTiuri ganwyoba.<br />
_ ras miiCnevT apaTiuri ganwy-<br />
obis gamomwvev mizezad?<br />
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rom aris problemebi da ver<br />
xedavs problemis momgvarebels.<br />
problemebis momgvarebeli realurad<br />
ar Cans. CvenTan mTavroba mTavroba<br />
ar aris, realurad mas aravin<br />
aRiqvams ramis gadamwyvetad.<br />
arc parlamenti araa parlamenti<br />
`ar minda, cudi<br />
winaswarmetyvelebasaviT<br />
gamomivides, magram...~<br />
`xelisufleba imitom icvleba, rom is,<br />
rac cudi iyo, aRar ganmeordes da Tu<br />
rame kargi iyo, is kargi gagrZeldes~<br />
am qveyanaSi, radgan arc iq miiReba<br />
aranairi gadawyvetileba. yvelam<br />
kargad viciT, sadac miiReba gadawyvetilebebi<br />
da mas saerTod ar<br />
gaaCnia formalurad Zalaufleba.<br />
Cven araformaluri mmarTvelobidan<br />
gadavediT araformaluri<br />
avtoritarizmis fazaSi, misTvis<br />
damaxasiaTebeli yvela niSniT. aRmasrulebeli<br />
xelisuflebac da<br />
sakanonmdebloc araformaluri<br />
piris xelSia Tavmoyrili da es instituciebi<br />
gauqmebulia funqciurad.<br />
sasamarTlo xelisuflebaSi<br />
rac xdeba, isic yvelam viciT da<br />
imasac vxedavT, ra procesic midis<br />
axla. uvadod iniSneba klani da<br />
axla uvadod unda gaagrZelon is,<br />
rasac aqamde, amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi<br />
akeTebdnen da risic Zalian<br />
ukmayofilo iyo qarTuli sazogadoeba.<br />
mediaSi ra procesebic midis,<br />
amasac yvela vxedavT da rac<br />
dRes „rusTavi 2-Tan” dakavSirebiT<br />
xdeba, ara mgonia, mxolod<br />
„rusTavi 2-s” Seexos. seriozuli<br />
eWvi maqvs, rom sxva media saSualebebzec<br />
iqneba seriozuli zewola.<br />
magaliTad, „tv-pirvelze”. ar minda<br />
cudi winaswarmetyvelebasaviT<br />
gamomivides, magram es ar aris<br />
ubralod mosazrebebis doneze,<br />
Zalian bevri iseTi faqti Cans<br />
mTel am procesebSi, romelic,<br />
adre Tu gvian, „tv pirvelis” kar-<br />
Tanac miva da es niSnavs imas, rom<br />
media aseve unda moeqces seriozuli<br />
kontrolis qveS, gaxdes erTferovani<br />
, gansxvavebuli da kritikuli<br />
azri naklebad ismodes.<br />
vsaubrob televiziebze, radgan<br />
farTo gavlenas sazogadoebaze<br />
jer mainc isev televizia axdens<br />
da ara interneti. ivaniSvili mar-<br />
Tlac gegmazomierad asufTavebs<br />
vels 2020 wlis arCevnebisTvis. xelisuflebaSi<br />
mosvlis dRidan is<br />
gegmazomierad asustebs politikur<br />
Zalebs. dRes, cxadia, arian<br />
politikuri moTamaSeebi, iReben<br />
garkveul procents, magram maT ar<br />
aqvT eleqtoratis masStaburi<br />
zrdis SesaZlebloba da es Zalian<br />
iwyobs imas, vinc am yvelafers<br />
alagebs, imitom rom es realoba,<br />
rodesac partiebi ver axerxeben<br />
gadauwyveteli amomrCevlis mimxrobas<br />
da maTi didi umetesoba<br />
arCevnebis dRes Sin rCeba da ar<br />
midis arCevnebze, xels uwyobs statuskvos<br />
SenarCunebas. isev da isev<br />
am statuskvos SenarCunebisTvis<br />
xdeba is, rac trialebs mamuka xazaraZis<br />
Tavs.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT?<br />
_ rac moxda Tveebis win „Tibisi<br />
bankis” mesveurebis winaaRmdeg<br />
da rac xdeba axla. erTi mxriv,<br />
anakliis portis, saqarTvelosTvis<br />
am strategiulad mniSvnelovani<br />
proeqtis ganxorcielebas<br />
viciT, rom ar TanaugrZnobs ruse-<br />
Ti, magram amis garda, ivaniSvilisTvis<br />
xazaraZe miuRebelia, rogorc<br />
axali politikuri moTamaSe.<br />
misTvis sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania,<br />
rom politikur velze ar<br />
gamoCndes vinme axali moTamaSe da<br />
ar daurRvios ukve dalagebuli<br />
proporciebi, romelic mas awyobs.<br />
es situacia awyobs ivaniSvils, magram<br />
aranairad ar awyobs qarTul<br />
sazogadoebas. Cven Zalian didxans<br />
viwonebdiT Tavs imiT, rom region-<br />
Si pirvelebi varT. statistikurad<br />
SeiZleba es kidev asea inerciiT,<br />
magram realuri politikuri mocemulobiT<br />
dRes Cven aRar varT<br />
karg mdgomareobaSi demokratiis<br />
TvalsazrisiT. Tu romelime mezobel<br />
qveyanaze vityviT, rom iq klanuri<br />
mmarTvelobaa, erTpartiuli<br />
mmarTvelobaa da a. S., aravisze<br />
ukeTesi situacia Cven ar gvaqvs,<br />
radgan CvenTan erTi partiis mmarTvelobac<br />
araa, erTi kacis mmarTvelobaa,<br />
marTla erTi oligarqis<br />
Teatria.<br />
_ weRan axseneT, rom xalxi apaTiaSia,<br />
radgan ver xedavs gamo-<br />
savals, ver xedavs problemebis<br />
momgvarebels. albaT xalxi bevrad<br />
imedianad iqneboda, rom xe-<br />
davdes Zalas, romelsac am xe-<br />
lisuflebis Secvla SeuZlia.<br />
_ diax, sazogadoebisTvis Zalian<br />
rTulia, rodesac ver xedavs<br />
Zalas, romelic misTvis problemad<br />
qceul xelisuflebas moereva...<br />
opozicia ufro Zlieri rom<br />
iyos, darwmunebuli var, xelisuflebas<br />
meti problema eqneboda.<br />
_ ra iwvevs opoziciis sisus-<br />
tes, mxolod is, rom liderTa<br />
nawili cixeSia gamomwyvdeuli,<br />
nawili qveynidan gandevnili da<br />
darCenilebic erTgvarad daTr-<br />
gunuli „9 wlis” ZaxiliT?<br />
_ albaT yvelaferi erTad. namdvilad<br />
ar mivekuTvnebi im pirTa<br />
ricxvs, vinc dausruleblad 9<br />
welze laparakobs. CemTvis bevrad<br />
ufro mniSvnelovania, dRes ra<br />
`risken mivemarTebiT? es xom gamovlili da<br />
nanaxi gvaqvs da CvenTvis, yvelasTvis, visac es<br />
gvaxsovs, Zalian mZimea igives yureba axla, 21-e<br />
saukuneSi. imis nacvlad, rom mivdiodeT win<br />
evropuli sazogadoebisken, evroatlantikuri<br />
sivrcisken, mivdivarT ruseTisken, sadac arc<br />
kanoni kanonobs, arc mravalpartiuloba<br />
arsebobs, arc media sivrce arsebobs, arseboben<br />
aqtiuri adamianebi, magram es aqtiuri adamianebi<br />
yovel wuTs SeiZleba aRmoCndnen cixeSi~<br />
xdeba da xval ra moxdeba, vidre<br />
ra xdeboda guSin da guSinwin.<br />
CemTvis is 9 weli aqtualuri iyo<br />
im 9 wlis ganmavlobaSi da Zalian<br />
aqtiurad vlaparakobdi da vibrZodi<br />
kidec, magram im adamianebis<br />
ar mesmis, maSin xma rom ar amouRiaT,<br />
maSin arsad rom ar Candnen<br />
da axla rom gviyvebian mZafr ferebSi,<br />
Turme ra xdeboda im 9 weliwads.<br />
dRes „nacionaluri moZraoba”<br />
aris opoziciaSi, mas garkveuli<br />
eleqtoraluri mxardaWera<br />
aqvs da es, ginda Tu ar ginda, unda<br />
miiRo mocemulobad. gasagebia,<br />
aris raRac Temebi, romelzedac<br />
mec miCndeba xolme protesti, gadasarevad<br />
maxsovs maTi pozicia<br />
analogiur Temebze, rodesac isini<br />
xelisuflebaSi iyvnen. vbrazdebi<br />
kidec, magram es imas ar niSnavs,<br />
rom im Temebze ar vilaparakoT. es<br />
imas ar niSnavs, rom „nacionalur<br />
moZraobas” saubari avukrZaloT,<br />
roca dRevandeli xelisufleba<br />
aSavebs, arRvevs adamianis uflebebs,<br />
ubedur dReSi agdebs sasamarTlos,<br />
rodesac arbeven saprotesto<br />
aqciebs, asaxiCreben axalgazrdebs<br />
da pasuxismgeblobis<br />
aRebac aravis unda. aseT dros,<br />
cxadia, ver gaCerdebi da pasuxi<br />
unda mosTxovo moqmed xelisuflebas<br />
da yvela im Tanamdebobis<br />
pirs, vinc pasuxismgebelia gadawyvetilebis<br />
miRebaze.<br />
_ ase gauTavebeli SedarebebiT<br />
Tu viareT, yvela xelisufleba<br />
komfortul pirobebSi iqneba. 20<br />
ivnisze saubrisas Tu 7 noemberze<br />
daviwyebT laparaks, rom Turme<br />
maSinac xdeboda darbeva da a. S.,<br />
maSin vinme, Tundac, me mogitri-<br />
aldebiT da getyviT, _ 1992 wels<br />
jaba, kitovani, SevardnaZe ki ar<br />
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mitingebs da eg Tqveni 7 noem-<br />
beric, 26 maisic da 20 ivnisic<br />
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biT!<br />
_ diax, ase yvela axali xelisufleba<br />
komfortul mdgomareoba-<br />
Si iqneba, rom Zvelsac aqvs Cadenili<br />
da Tu isic Caidens, aranairi<br />
problema ar aris. ara, batonebo,<br />
xelisufleba imitom icvleba, rom<br />
is, rac cudi iyo, aRar ganmeordes<br />
da Tu rame kargi iyo, is kargi<br />
gagrZeldes. Cven ra miviReT? rac<br />
kargi iyo, araferi gagrZelda,<br />
cudi rac iyo, yvelaferi darCa da<br />
gauaresda kidec. sistemuri cvlilebis<br />
magivrad miviReT absoluturad<br />
ucvleli, sakuTar Tavze<br />
morgebuli sistema, romelic<br />
ukve Zalauflebis SenarCunebis<br />
wyarod gvevlineba xelisuflebisTvis.<br />
me sistema mZulda da ara<br />
isini, visac maSin oponirebas vuwevdi.<br />
dResac sistema mZuls, magram<br />
cxadia, vbrazdebi im adamianebze,<br />
romlebic quCaSi ibrZodnen opoziciis<br />
mxares, Semdeg sadRac skamze<br />
aRmoCndnen da absoluturad<br />
daiviwyes is brZolac da is opoziciuri<br />
moTxovnebic. vimeoreb:<br />
dRes rom opozicia Zlieri iyos,<br />
xelisufleba amdens ver gabedavda.<br />
_ swored amitom xom ar aneitralebs<br />
mowinaaRmdegeebs? xe-<br />
lisuflebaSi mosvlis dRidan<br />
oponentebs aneitralebs nebismier<br />
fasad _ cixeSi amwyvdevs, qveynidan<br />
devnis. axlac, vinc ki axa-<br />
li partia an televizia axsena,<br />
yvelas iWers.<br />
_ ki, ra Tqma unda. Tavidan misi<br />
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foso. Sua gaikrifos da mTeli<br />
politikuri veli unda iqces ori<br />
politikuri lideris, ori Zalis<br />
dapirispirebis asparezad. marTlac<br />
yvelaferi gaakeTa imisTvis,<br />
rom es Sua gakrefiliyo. viRacebs<br />
daWeriT daemuqra, viRacebs _ kadrebis<br />
gamoqveynebiT da sxva akrZaluli<br />
meTodebiT. politikis<br />
gaufasurebisken, politikuri<br />
liderebis dasustebisken, partiebis<br />
dasustebisken mihyavda es yvelaferi.<br />
gakrifa Sua da dRes,<br />
erTi mxriv, mtris xatad iyenebs<br />
„nacionalur moZraobas” da, meore<br />
mxriv, yvelafers akeTebs imisTvis,<br />
rom eleqtoralurad ver gaizardos<br />
da viRebT am mocemulobas,<br />
rom „ocnebas” Tavisi eleqtorati<br />
hyavs da „nacionalur moZraobas”<br />
_ Tavisi eleqtorati, aseve misgan<br />
wamosul evropul saqarTvelos<br />
Tavisi elqtorati hyavs, sakuTari<br />
eleqtorati hyavs e. w. prorusul<br />
Zalebs da aq iketeba yvelaferi.<br />
amis fonze, ra Tqma unda, yovelTvis<br />
mmarTvel partias hqonda<br />
upiratesoba. miT umetes, Sereuli<br />
maJoritarul-proporciuli sistemis<br />
pirobebSi. axla Cven garantirebulad<br />
aravin viciT, marTla<br />
gveqneba proporciuli arCevnebi<br />
Tu ara, yovel wuTs SeiZleba raRac<br />
Setrialdes, magram Tu mas proporciul<br />
arCevnebze wasvla mouxda,<br />
kidev ufro gaZlierdeba wnexi<br />
im mimarTulebiT, rom politikur<br />
velze aravin gaCndes, rom mediaSi<br />
gansxvavebuli xma ar ismodes da<br />
proporciulma arCevnebmac igive<br />
Sedegi daayenos, rac Sereuli<br />
saarCevno sistemis pirobebSi dgeboda.<br />
ivaniSvilis sustad miCneva<br />
ar mgonia sworad. ivaniSvili unda<br />
iyos ise aRqmuli, ra Zalac mas realurad<br />
aqvs da rasac iyenebs instrumentad.<br />
is instrumentad iyenebs<br />
xalxis ukidures gaWirvebasac.<br />
Zalian kargad maxsovs wina<br />
xelisuflebis dros, socialuri<br />
qulebis gamo, xalxi saxlSi qaTams<br />
ar iCerebda, rom rogorme siRaribis<br />
zRvars qvemoT moxvedriliyo<br />
da Semweoba mieRo. es mankiereba ar<br />
Secvlila, piriqiT, ufro da ufro<br />
gamZafrda da gauaresda. aseT<br />
totalurad gaWirvebaSi myof adamians<br />
marTla Zalian martivad yidulob<br />
xaxviT, kartofiliT, imitom<br />
rom is politikis mimarT ukve<br />
gagulgrilebulia da fiqrobs,<br />
rom mis pirobebs mainc aRaraferi<br />
Secvlis da es mainc ar dakargos,<br />
es xeiri mainc naxos arCevnebisgan,<br />
rac aqtiuri sazogadoebis ideas<br />
saerTod klavs.<br />
_ ki magram, xalxis aseTi ga-<br />
Ratakeba, ase damSeva mas ar Seubrundebda<br />
cudad? laris gaufa-<br />
sureba, fasebis arnaxuli zrda<br />
kidev ufro ar gaaRatakebs xalxs<br />
da ar Seqmnis eleqtoratis quCa-<br />
Si gamovardnis safrTxes, rac<br />
Searyevs mis Zalauflebas? Tu es,<br />
raRac etapze, piriqiT, mis<br />
sasargeblod muSaobs?<br />
_ jerjerobiT es mainc muSaobs<br />
mis sasargeblod. wlebis winaT<br />
xalxs molodini hqonda, rom mdidari<br />
kacis simdidre SeiZleba<br />
pirdapir maT jibeebSi ar gadadinebuliyo,<br />
magram imedi hqondaT,<br />
rom mdidari kaci qveyanaSi gamdidrebis<br />
pirobebs, samuSao adgilebs<br />
Seqmnida. es cxadia, ar moxda<br />
da xalxi Tavs motyuebulad<br />
grZnobs, es protesti pirdapir<br />
biZina ivaniSvils ukavSirdeba. magram<br />
qveyanaSi, am etapze, aravinaa<br />
misi momrevi da amas xalxi xedavs.<br />
ise ar gamigoT, rom opozicias<br />
vakritikebde, arafers akeTebTmeTqi.<br />
ara! isini yvelafers akeTeben,<br />
rac maT ZalebSia, magram ver<br />
uweven konkurencias imas, vis xel-<br />
Sic uzarmazari fulia. rodesac<br />
uimedod aris adamiani da verc momrevs<br />
xedavs, dammarcxebels, vinc<br />
mas ajobebs, igi iZulebuli xdeba,<br />
am gabrazebis miuxedavad, mainc mis<br />
mxares darCes da es aris marTla<br />
tragikuli mocemuloba _ icis,<br />
rom motyuebulia, Seuracxyofilia,<br />
damcirebulia, magram iZulebulia,<br />
arCevani isev mis sasargeblod<br />
gaakeTos.<br />
_ ki magram, es didxans gastans,<br />
Tu raRac moklevadiania?<br />
_ me zogadad optimisti var da<br />
ar miyvars pesimisturi ganwyobebi,<br />
magram es Cemi optimizmi sakmaod<br />
safuZvliania xolme... am<br />
bolo periodebSi Zalian miWirda<br />
xalxTan urTierToba, rame damaimedeblis<br />
Tqma. 20 ivnisis Ramem<br />
ramdenadac damTrguna im tragikuli<br />
Sedegis gamo, imdenad imedianad<br />
ganmawyo, rom axalgazrdoba-<br />
Si aris protestis muxti, energia,<br />
romelic arsad qreba, arsad ikargeba,<br />
SeiZleba am wuTSi miCumebulia,<br />
gawovilia, magram xval-zeg<br />
ifeTqebs! es Taoba didxans ver<br />
aitans oligarqiul wnexs! arc Cveni<br />
da Cvenze ufrosi Taoba dauSvebs<br />
amas, vinc amdeni vibrZoleT,<br />
amdeni sisxli vRvareT TavisuflebisTvis!<br />
da es uceb unda gadaiTargmnos<br />
oligarqiul mmarTvelobad?<br />
amis daSveba, amis warmodgenac<br />
SeuZlebelia. rac ar unda mZime<br />
situacia iyos saqarTveloSi,<br />
rogorc ar unda iyo gabrazebuli<br />
politikur Zalebzec da sazogadoebazec<br />
da rom Cven iolad veCveviT<br />
da iolad viRebT raRacebs,<br />
saqarTveloSi aris muxti, naperwkali,<br />
romelic uceb ise ifeTqebs<br />
xolme, rom yvelafers dagaviwyebs.<br />
saqarTvelos aqvs es Tavisebureba,<br />
saqarTveloSi bolomde ar<br />
kvdeba Tavisuflebis suli, is Sei-<br />
Zleba miinavlos, SeiZleba raRac<br />
arxeinobac axasiaTebdes, magram<br />
saWiro dros iRviZebs da saswaulebs<br />
axdens. meorec: saqarTvelo-<br />
Si xelisuflebaSi yofnas garkveuli<br />
cikluroba aqvs, _ saakaSvilis<br />
xelisuflebasac ki mowia wasvla,<br />
arada, saakaSvilis xelisufleba<br />
sakmaod efeqtiani xelisufleba<br />
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`raRacnairad, es rusuli suli, Tu rusuli sunTqva am aqciis darbevaSi<br />
ido, igrZnoboda es rusuli ugrZnobloba raRacnairi... im doneze, rom<br />
zogs imis gancdac gauCina, me mgoni, eseni qarTvelebi ar iyvneno~<br />
iyo! progresze orientirebuli<br />
efeqtiani vertikali hqonda da<br />
masTan opoziciuri brZola sakmaod<br />
rTuli iyo.<br />
_ imitom, rom is akeTebda<br />
saqmes.<br />
_ diax da bevri xedavda „nacionalebis”<br />
efeqtianobas da gveubnebodnen<br />
kidec, acadeT! visac<br />
uSualod ar exeboda is wnexi da<br />
adamianis uflebebis darRveva Tu<br />
biznesis warTmeva, is mainc fiqrobda,<br />
rom Cven axirebulad viqceodiT<br />
da brazdeboda kidec Cvenze.<br />
eseni arafers akeTeben! dRes xelSesaxebi<br />
araferi aqvT adamianebs,<br />
rom Tqvan, modi, vacaloTo. ra vacaloT,<br />
xeebis moTxra da gadatana?<br />
yvelafris yidva, Tuki rame<br />
Rirebulia amqveynad? yvela biznesis<br />
wilSi Cajdoma? gamdidreba?<br />
ai, aseTi ucabedi gamdidrebebi,<br />
romelic am xelisuflebis pirobebSi<br />
moxda, amdeni xania politika-<br />
Si var da ar maxsovs. es unda vacadoT?<br />
amitom mgonia, rom erTia is<br />
gaTvla, rac aqvs oligarqs, rac<br />
aJurSia moyvanili, magram meorea<br />
realoba, romelic ndobaamowurul<br />
xelisuflebas aucileblad<br />
aCvenebs wiTel baraTs. saerTod<br />
vfiqrob, rom dRes imdenad rTul<br />
fazaSi varT da imdenad ver vxedavT<br />
adekvatur sapasuxo qmedebas<br />
xelisuflebisgan, rom SeiZleba<br />
2020 wlamde mSvidobianad miRwevac<br />
seriozuli problema iyos. ar<br />
vici, risi molodeinebis gaCena<br />
surs am xelisuflebas, rodesac<br />
vigebT, rom Semodgomidan daiwyeba<br />
represiebi, oRond gareT ki ara,<br />
ukve gundis SigniT.<br />
_ axlac aris saubari qumsiSvilis<br />
daWeraze, yovel SemTxveva-<br />
Si, ganaaxles saqme, romelic Sar-<br />
San aRZres.<br />
_ Tu danaSauli arsebobda, ratom<br />
minavlda da dawyebuli gamo-<br />
Zieba ratom bolomde ar mivida?<br />
xalxma ukve icis, rom es yvelaferi<br />
speqtaklSi mZafri elementebis<br />
Semosatanad sWirdebaT, rom<br />
kidev erTxel miipyron da gadaitanon<br />
xalxis yuradReba arsebiTidan<br />
araarsebiTze. es veRar<br />
iqneba Sedegis momtani, rogoric<br />
sxva situaciaSi iqneboda.<br />
_ anu ar gamoricxavT, rom Sei-<br />
Zleba arCevnebamde verc mivideT<br />
da situacia airios?<br />
_ imedi minda viqonio, rom ase<br />
ar moxdeba da arc minda, rom eg<br />
moxdes. minda, rom proporciul<br />
arCevnebamde mSvidad mivides qveyana,<br />
magram maTi qmedebebi maeWvebs.<br />
_ ra qmedebebs gulisxmobT?<br />
_ ver mixvdnen, kobaxiZe rodis<br />
unda gadamdgariyo, rom krizisi<br />
ar gaeCinaT. ver mixvdnen, zaqaria<br />
qucnaSvils rogor unda aeRo pasuxismgebloba;<br />
dRes ver xvdebian,<br />
rom gaxarias mier pasuxismgeblobis<br />
aReba bevrad ufro kargi iqneba<br />
maTive xelisuflebisTvis, vidre<br />
ase gajiuteba da piriqiT _<br />
aqeT Setevaze gadmosvla.<br />
_ moTxovna gaxarias gadadgomis<br />
Sesaxeb absoluturad legit-<br />
imuria, igi aris Ss ministri da<br />
mas unda mieRo gadawyvetileba<br />
Zalis gamoyenebaze da Tu man ar<br />
miiRo da sxvam miiRo, mainc unda<br />
agos pasuxi swored imitom, rom<br />
sxva, arauflebamosili piri iRebs<br />
aseT dros gadawyvetilebas da<br />
ara _ igi! Cven ar varT darwmu-<br />
nebuli, rom gaxariam miiRo es<br />
gadawyvetileba, Cven ar viciT,<br />
CubiniZem gasca brZaneba Tu vin,<br />
magram nanaxi gvaqvs kadrebi,<br />
rogor xelmZRvanelobs process<br />
CubiniZe... am fonze, erTgvar, ux-<br />
erxulobas ar giqmniT is faqti,<br />
rom jiutad mxolod gaxarias<br />
Tavs viTxovT da arc ivaniSvils<br />
vaxsenebT da arc CubiniZes?<br />
_ ivaniSvilis uxsenebloba arc<br />
erT SemTxvevaSi ar SeiZleba, mis<br />
gareSe verc gaxaria miiRebda am<br />
gadawyvetilebas da verc _ CubiniZe.<br />
Tavs droze, „traqtorebis<br />
saqmeze”, ivaniSvili Tavs iwonebda,<br />
rom soflis meurneobis ministri<br />
gadadga, ambobda, rom es maTi standartia,<br />
rom ministri gadadga,<br />
raTa xeli ar SeuSalos gamoiZebas<br />
da a. S. axla ratom aiRes xeli am<br />
standartze? vfiqrob, upriani<br />
iqneboda, rom TviTon gaxaria wasuliyo<br />
droebiT Tanamdebobidan<br />
gamoZiebis dasrulebamde. Cveni sirTule<br />
swored eg aris. pasuxi vis<br />
unda mosTxovo? premier-monistrs<br />
unda mosTxovo. raze unda mosTxovo?<br />
is arc vinmes daniSvnaze iRebs<br />
gadawyvetilebas, arc vinmes<br />
gadayenebaze, am SemTxvevaSi Tavad<br />
ministrs unda mieRo es gadawyvetileba,<br />
radgan is ufro adekvaturi<br />
Canda xolme garkveul situaciebSi.<br />
magram, rogorc Cans, dRes<br />
mas ukve aRar misces adekvaturi<br />
qcevis SesaZlebloba da amitom<br />
gaiCxira es sakiTxi ase. ra Tqma<br />
unda, es xels uSlis imasac, rom<br />
gamoZieba sxva mimarTulebebiTac<br />
wavides. roca amboben, rom SigniT<br />
garkveul Tanamdebobis pirebs<br />
SeuCerdaT uflebamisileba Tu<br />
saerTod gadaayenes Tanamdebobebidan,<br />
Cven ar viciT, maT ra<br />
Cvenebebi misces, ris gamo gadaametes<br />
Zalas, es maTi personaluri<br />
gabrazebis gamo xdeboda Tu vinmes<br />
brZanebiT? bneliT da burusiT<br />
moculi aris es yvelaferi.<br />
_ damiznebiT srolas gulisx-<br />
mobT?<br />
_ damiznebiT srolasac da<br />
dausrulebel rbevasac. mTeli<br />
Rame iq viyavi, ase dausrulebeli<br />
rbeva ar maxsovs. vkiTxulobdiT<br />
kidec, axla raRatom arbeven, axla<br />
raRatom xdeba es ambavi, raki aTi<br />
Sortebiani biWi da gogo darbevis<br />
mere isev brundeboda ukan? iq xom<br />
aRarc winaaRmdegobis veli iyo<br />
aRarsad da aRarc winaaRmdegobisTvis<br />
saWiro adamianebis raodenoba?<br />
saerTod, imTaviTve es rbeva<br />
maSin daiwyo, roca yvelaferi<br />
Cawynarda.<br />
_ swored eg garemoeba aCens im<br />
eWvs, rom imwuTieri safrTxe ki<br />
ar gaaneitrales, aramed daarbies<br />
imitom, rom xalxSi SiSi gaeCinaT,<br />
rom aRaravin gaekaros aqciebs.<br />
yvelas scodnoda, rom Tu gamova<br />
aqciebze, seqtemberSi Tu oqtomb-<br />
erSi, laris kursze Tu qveynis<br />
kursze, SeiZleba es Tvalis fas-<br />
ad, cixis fasad dujdes.<br />
_ ki me im Rames mqonda SegrZneba,<br />
rom es mitingis mogerieba ki<br />
ara, sadamsjelo RonisZieba iyo,<br />
zustad ise, rogorc 9 aprils. es<br />
ar iyo mitingis garekva, mogerieba,<br />
rogorc mere daarqves, es iyo<br />
dasja. ra saWiro iyo es, Tu ara,<br />
erTi mxriv, gavrilovis gamo<br />
ruseTisTvis samagaliTod eCvenebinaT,<br />
rom ai, Cven aseT situacia-<br />
Si ase moviqeciT...<br />
_ xom ar fiqrobT, rom darbe-<br />
vis gadawyvetileba saerTod<br />
pirdapir moskovidan modioda da<br />
ar iyo adgilze miRebuli gadaw-<br />
yvetileba?<br />
_ ho, ar viciT... ubedureba iqneba,<br />
Tu asea!.. TumcaRa, raRacnairad,<br />
es rusuli suli, Tu rusuli<br />
sunTqva am aqciis darbevaSi ido,<br />
igrZnoboda es rusuli ugrZnobloba<br />
raRacnairi... im doneze, rom<br />
zogs imis gancdac gauCina, me mgoni,<br />
eseni qarTvelebi ar iyvneno.<br />
_ sruliad aRviraxsnili iyo<br />
xelisuflebis qceva jer gavr-<br />
ilovis da mere gabunias ginebis<br />
Semdeg. xelisufleba, qalbatoni<br />
prezidenti, bodiSebs uxdida<br />
ruseTs da Semdeg rodesac putin-<br />
ma aqeT okupantebi gveZaxa, zur-<br />
abiSvilma araTu mwvave, saerTod<br />
pasuxi ar gasca. nebismier sakiTxze<br />
gaiZaxis, rom misi kompeten-<br />
cia araa. rogorc irkveva, misi<br />
saqme mxolod putinis lokva da<br />
atmis krefa yofila.<br />
_ saerTod, is reaqcia, rac<br />
qarTul saxelmwifos hqonda putinis<br />
bolodroindel gancxadebebze,<br />
SemaSfoTebelia. iyo uamravi<br />
bodiSi da Tavze nacris yra erTi<br />
Jurnalistis ucenzuro gamoTqmis<br />
gamo da absoluturad sruli dumili<br />
putinis gancxadebebze! okupantma<br />
aqeT Cven gveZaxa okupantebi.<br />
arc qalbatonma prezidentma,<br />
arc sagareo saqmeTa saministrom,<br />
arc premier-ministrma, arc parlamentma<br />
ar SeimCies es ambavi! saer-<br />
TaSoriso sazogadoebis TvalSi<br />
mainc daefiqsirebinaT pozicia putinis<br />
Tavxedur gancxadebebze.<br />
saxelmwifo xar maSin, rodesac<br />
adekvatur nabijebs dgam da rodesac<br />
sxva saxelmwifos meTauri Sens<br />
saxelmwifoze aseT gancxadebebs<br />
akeTebs, warmoudgenelia, rom<br />
reaqcia ar gqondes!<br />
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mxolod sakuTar Tavs dauTmos da ganaxlebuli ZalebiT<br />
daubrundes mayurebels. „sxva rakursis” satelevizio sezoni<br />
amjeradac didi reitingiT sargeblobs, Tumca gadacemas erT-<br />
erTi Zlieri prodiuseri, maia stefnaZe gamoaklda. ra moxda<br />
megobrebs Soris? ratom ver SeinarCuna reitingulma gadace-<br />
mam mniSvnelovani prodiuseri? vin ebrZvis gia jajaniZes?<br />
rogor icavs Tavs da ra aris misi warmatebis formula?<br />
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buli rakursiT gixilaT, iyaviT<br />
gulwrfeli sakuTari cxovrebi-<br />
seuli da tkiviliani istoriebiT,<br />
emociebiT, itireT kidevac, Tumca<br />
yvelaze didi intriga da xri-<br />
ki iyo is, rom TiTqos gia jajani-<br />
Zis bolo gadacemas vuyurebdiT<br />
„imedze”, rac Sokismomgvreli aR-<br />
moCnda Seni mayureblisTvis _<br />
ratom gadawyvite aseTi formiT<br />
dagesrulebina satelevizio se-<br />
zoni?<br />
_ saerTod, xuTi wlis manZilze<br />
tradicia gvqonda, rom satelevizio<br />
sezonis bolo gadacemas vakeTebdiT<br />
baTumSi. mayurebels<br />
vuziarebdiT bednierebas, sikeTes,<br />
simRerebs da a. S.<br />
vinaidan telekompania „imedSi”<br />
bevri cvlileba moxda, prodiuseri<br />
wavida, xelmZRvaneloba Seicvala,<br />
gadavwyvite, raRac cvlileba<br />
Cems gadacemaSic Semetana. bevri<br />
ar mifiqria, adrec mqonda es<br />
idea da Cems xelmZRvanelobas gavacani.<br />
moewonaT da gadacemis Cawera<br />
daviwye. mindoda, marTla gulwrfeli<br />
gadacema yofiliyo da<br />
asec moxda. prodiuserebs vuTxari,<br />
romelic kadrebic surdaT, is<br />
aerCiaT. am kadrebze spontanurad<br />
movyvebodi da istoriebs gavixsenebdi.<br />
marTlac, sakuTar Tavs siurprizi<br />
movuwyve, Tumca siurprizebi<br />
saSinlad maRizianebs. ubralod,<br />
rodesac, gadacemis Cawera<br />
daviwye, winadadebidan _ „sezonis<br />
bolo gadacema” _ amovagde sityva<br />
„sezoni” da anonsSi darCa _ bolo<br />
gadacema.<br />
momewona, patara intriga davtove,<br />
xriki ar miTxra _ mwyins! es<br />
ar iyo xriki, es iyo moulodneli<br />
patara intriga. Zalian didi warmosaxvis<br />
unari maqvs, marTla megona,<br />
rom es Cemi bolo gadacema<br />
iyo, imdenad gulwrfeli viyavi, marTla<br />
megona, yvelas da yvelafers<br />
vemSvidobebodi.<br />
yvelaferi iyo am gadacemaSi:<br />
cremli, mogoneba, frangmentebi<br />
Zveli gadacemebidan, tkivilebi,<br />
yvelaferma erT wamSi gaiara... warmoidgineT,<br />
rodesac am gadacemis<br />
Casawerad studiaSi Sevdiodi, pirjvari<br />
gadaviwere, es maSinac ar<br />
gamikeTebia, rodesac sul pirveli<br />
gadacema Cavwere.<br />
gulSi CamrCa da mere raRacnairad<br />
SemeSinda, imdenad gulwrfeli<br />
viyavi, vifiqre, vaime, xom ar<br />
vkvdebi-meTqi?! operatorebis garda<br />
aravin iyo studiaSi, ucnauri<br />
SegrZnebebi mqonda, Tumca gadacemis<br />
bolos pirdapir da gasagebad<br />
vTqvi, rom es iyo sezonis bolo gadacema<br />
da axal sezonamde davemSvidobe<br />
Cems mayurebels.<br />
_ yovelTvis arsebobs miTqma-<br />
moTqma, rom daxurvas gipireben.<br />
realurad xom ar yofila aseTi<br />
saubari?<br />
_ mTeli gadacemis dros imdenad<br />
mjeroda, rom bolo gadacemas<br />
vwerdi, xalxma aRar gaigo Cemi<br />
bolo winadadeba, ar undoda moesmina,<br />
magram ratom ver gaigo, es<br />
aRar vici. dRemde fiqroben, rom<br />
„sxva rakursi gia jajaniZesTan<br />
erTad” eTerSi aRar gava. jer anonsis<br />
gasvlis Semdeg iyo ambavi<br />
atexili, zarebi ar wydeboda, mere<br />
gadacemis eTerSi gasvlis Semdeg<br />
mamSvidebdnen, rom aucileblad<br />
gavakeTebdi axal gadacemas sadme<br />
sxvagan, mixsnidnen siyvaruls, zogma<br />
damcina: WiaTuraSi gaxsnas<br />
televizia da iq wavideso.<br />
aRar vici xolme, guli rogor<br />
unda amoviRo, rom adamianma damijeros.<br />
danamdvilebiT SemiZlia<br />
giTxraT, rom miuxedavaT Worebisa,<br />
rac „sxva rakursi” arsebobs,<br />
arasdros damdgara sakiTxi gadacemis<br />
daxurvis Sesaxeb. ubralod,<br />
Worebs agorebdnen, es bolo ambavi<br />
ki me gavakeTe, magram sityva „gadacema<br />
ixureba”, ar miTqvams.<br />
_ rogorc aRniSneT, gulwrfe-<br />
li gindoda, yofiliyavi. yve-<br />
laferi TqviT am gadacemaSi, risi<br />
Tqmac gsurdaT?<br />
_ bevri rame amovWeri, dro ar<br />
gveyo. erT rames getyvi: ar vici,<br />
SeiZleba, asakis matebasTan erTad<br />
Wkuac makldeba, bevr rames veRar<br />
vyvebi, Tumca Cemi cxovreba saocrebebiT<br />
savsea da xSirad mixdeba<br />
Tavis marTleba. warmoidgine,<br />
yovelTvis vcdilob, raRac situaciebSi<br />
marto ar viyo. sul minda,<br />
mowmeebi myavdes da roca mowme arsebobs,<br />
mixaria, _ Tu rames vityvi,<br />
isini damemowmebian mainc... Zalian<br />
bevri saTqmeli darCa, romelsac,<br />
albaT, mere, rodesac movxucdebi,<br />
Cems wignSi davwer yvelafers. arafers<br />
movityuebi, radgan sikvdilis<br />
win azri aRar eqneba tyuils.<br />
weris procesSi var da xandaxan<br />
vfiqrob, male davwero yvelaferi,<br />
_ meSinia, uceb Tvalebi ar davxu-<br />
Wo da ar movkvde.<br />
_ sikvdilis geSinia?<br />
_ ar meSinia! ver vxvdebi, ratom<br />
unda meSinodes, iseTi adamianebi<br />
gardacvlilan. marTla gulwrfelad<br />
mifiqria da momridebia,<br />
roca viRac 25 wlis biWi gardaicvleba,<br />
momridebia fiqri da SiSic,<br />
radgan uceb axalgazrda adamiani<br />
kvdeba, me 60 wlis vxdebi da cocxali<br />
var. ra Tqma unda, imas ar vambob,<br />
rom neta, me movmkvdariyavi,<br />
magram raRacnairi gancda maqvs.<br />
Zalian ganvcidi amqveynidan adamianebis<br />
wasvlas. ZiriTadad, vinc<br />
rCeba, is itanjeba xolme da gadacemaSic<br />
vTqvi, _ erTaderTi survili<br />
maqvs, rom ar minda, dedaCemze<br />
`marTlac erTad daviwyeT. garkveuli periodi,<br />
erTi wlis manZilze, arc erTi Tema Cemi ar<br />
iyo, maia gaxldaT xerxemali da me viyavi<br />
sxeuli. ar gamomiva cudad, gulwrfeli viqnebi<br />
- sxeulis gareSe xerxemali araferi iqneboda~<br />
adre movkvde-meTqi. ar minda, dedaCemi<br />
gamwardes.<br />
ramdenjerme frenis dros ra-<br />
Racnair situaciaSi aRmovCenilvar<br />
da mifiqria: „ra kargia, Tu<br />
haerSi movkvdebi, saflavic ar<br />
iqneba-meTqi”. sxvanairad vuyureb<br />
_ ar vici, am survils Semisruleben<br />
Tu ara, magram ar minda saflavi.<br />
rame adgilze mosvla ar aris<br />
saWiro, gulSi mitiron, roca es<br />
moxdeba. aseTi fiqrebi ki mawuxebs,<br />
magram guli sul bednieri maqvs,<br />
radgan es yvelaferi gavacnobiere.<br />
sicocxle imdenad miyvars, travmebi<br />
veRar mexeba...<br />
_ ar SemiZlia, ar gkiTxoT maia<br />
stefnaZeze, romelic Tqveni gadacemis<br />
xerxemali iyo, _ prodiuse-<br />
ri, romelic pirvelive dRidan<br />
gverdiT gedgaT da erTad akeTeb-<br />
diT reitingul Sous. ratom ver<br />
SeinarCuna „sxva rakursma” da gia<br />
jajaniZem Zlieri prodiuseri?<br />
_ levan, am Temaze saubari<br />
Zalian miWirs. yvelafers ver vityvi<br />
da ar vityvi. erTi ram Semi-<br />
Zlia vTqva, rogor daiwyo es yvelaferi:<br />
marTlac erTad daviwyeT.<br />
garkveuli periodi, erTi wlis<br />
manZilze, arc erTi Tema Cemi ar<br />
iyo, maia gaxldaT xerxemali da me<br />
viyavi sxeuli. ar gamomiva cudad,<br />
gulwrfeli viqnebi _ sxeulis<br />
gareSe xerxemali araferi iqneboda.<br />
Cven idealuri tandemi viyaviT,<br />
Tavidan cudi urTierToba<br />
gvqonda, Cven viyaviT ori adamiani,<br />
me infantiluri, Zalian Cumi, ara<br />
agresiuli, ukonfliqto, romelic<br />
xmas ar iRebda... da uceb boboqari<br />
maia. am ori adamianis dabalanseba<br />
Tavidan Zalian gaWirda, Tumca seriozuli<br />
konfliqti arasdros<br />
gvqonia. gvqonia, magram ar gvqonia.<br />
me momwonda is, rac mas ar moswonda<br />
da piriqiT. maias wasvlamde<br />
Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva da yvela<br />
TanamSromeli damemowmeba, rom<br />
„sxva rakursSi” maia iyo dedofali,<br />
telefonSic ase mewera, Zalian<br />
miyvarda...<br />
_ giyvarda? axla aRar giyvars?<br />
_ Zalian miyvarda, ar ifiqro,<br />
rom es sityva wamomcda _ miyvarda!<br />
Cven saaTobiT vlaparakobdiT<br />
telefonze da Zalian kargi urTierToba<br />
gvqonda.<br />
roca ori adamiani raRacas qmnis,<br />
amas movayoleb imas, rom maia<br />
stefnaZe muSaobda universitetSi,<br />
radioSi, saagentoSi, inga grigoliasTan,<br />
nanuka JorJolianTan da<br />
mas Cemamde icnobda mxolod<br />
garkveuli wre.<br />
Zalian miyvarda, Tumca Cemi es<br />
damokidebuleba mxolod maias ar<br />
exeba. rasac axla vambob, Cems yvela<br />
interviuSi miTqvams. yvelas<br />
mindoda gaego, vin akeTebda Cems<br />
gadacemas, Jurnalistebi movidodnen<br />
_ maias veZaxdi, _ modi, gverdiT<br />
damideqi-meTqi da Jurnalis<br />
garekanze erTad viyaviT. _ maia,<br />
modi, kadrSi minda gamoCnde-meTqi.<br />
amas imitom ki ar vakeTebdi, rom<br />
is gansakuTrebuli iyo, organu-<br />
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waikiTxavs minda, gabrazdes~<br />
lad modioda Cemgan, mindoda,<br />
CemTan erTad yofiliyo is adamiani<br />
da gamoCeniliyo, enaxaT, vin<br />
iyo maia stefnaZe! imis Tqma minda,<br />
rom ar vici, ras yveba maia, ar vici,<br />
is ras ambobs am yvelaferze, ase<br />
movdiodiT erTad da is iyo sruli<br />
dedofali. Zalian ucnaur ra-<br />
Racas getyviT: me var Cemi gadacemis<br />
avtori da wamyvani da me Seme-<br />
Zlo maiasTvis meTqva: „maia, Sei-<br />
Zleba, wavide?” „maia, xval SeiZleba,<br />
ver movide?” anu Cemi ufrosi<br />
iyo, me daviniSne ufrosad, imitom,<br />
rom man kargad icoda yvelaferi.<br />
Tandayolili Tviseba<br />
maqvs, es marTla ar miswavlia da<br />
axlaxan miTxres, rom es Tviseba<br />
hqonia or did adamians, oRond tiranebs:<br />
mogiSveb bolomde, iqamde,<br />
rom SegiZlia uxeSad mexumro,<br />
makadro, mogiSveb da aba, ras izam<br />
mere da mere? da sami wertili...<br />
_ maia stefnaZe saubrobda, rom<br />
„imedidan” wamosvlis mizezi<br />
politikuri statusi iyo, romelic<br />
man socialur qselSi gamoaqveyna.<br />
rogor fiqrobT, es Sei-<br />
Zleboda yofiliyo mizezi Tu?<br />
_ maiaze miyvardas rom vambob,<br />
mwyins... magram mainc ase unda vTqva.<br />
minda, Tu maia stefnaZe am intervius<br />
waikiTxavs, gabrazdes!<br />
rac Seexeba maias wamosvlas, Cven<br />
TiTqmis erTi Tve ar vlaparkobdiT,<br />
prodiuserebis meSveobiT<br />
vkontaqtobdiT, radgan konfliqti<br />
mogvivida. maia ambobda, es stumari<br />
mova, me vambobdi _ es mindameTqi<br />
da ase viyaviT. davaneboT<br />
gadacemas Tavi, Cven gadacemis miRma<br />
Zalian kargi megobrebi viyaviT.<br />
erTad visaxavdiT mizans, Tuki<br />
„sxva rakursi” ar iqneboda, ras<br />
vizamdiT, rogor gavakeTebdiT...<br />
Cems erT patara mxaresac Sevexebi:<br />
Zalian bevri adamiani myavs da maiam<br />
es kargad icis. SemiZlia gir-<br />
Cio, giTxra, zust misamarTze gagagzavno<br />
imisTvis, rom yvelaferi<br />
kargad gqondes. bevri rame ar momwonda<br />
maiasi, iseve rogorc mas ar<br />
moswonda bevri rame Cemi, Tumca me<br />
praqtikuli adamiani var da Tu mas<br />
unda, sityvaze, movides politika-<br />
Si, maSin is unda iyos diplomati<br />
da diplomatiurad moiqces. gind<br />
daijereT da gind _ ara, is statusi<br />
Zalian gvian wavikiTxe, razec<br />
ambavi atyda. maia ise dadioda eTeridan<br />
eTerSi, Cven arc vlaparakobdiT<br />
im dros erTmaneTTan da<br />
roca uTxres, rom unda waxvide, im<br />
dros ra ilaparakes direqtorTan,<br />
marTla ar vici. erTi rame zustad<br />
vici, rasac yvela daadasturebs:<br />
maia bolos direqtorTan Sevida<br />
fleSkiT, sadac axali gadacema<br />
iyo Cawerili... mas „imedSi” aZlevdnen<br />
proeqtebs, vimeoreb, _ maia iyo<br />
dedofali, maia iyo nomer pirveli<br />
da amis Semdeg ra laparaki<br />
Sedga maT Soris, ar vici! arc is<br />
mjera, ar minda, rom maiam Seuracxyofilad<br />
igrZnos Tavi an ifiqron,<br />
viRacas xels vafareb. raSi mWirdeba<br />
viRacaze xelis dafareba,<br />
CemTvis vcxovrob, ra vqna, ver<br />
mainteresebs sxvisi cxovreba da ra<br />
dialogi Sedga iq, direqtoris kabinetSi,<br />
ar vici. Cem gamo rom maias<br />
iqidan aravin gauSvebda, es faqtia,<br />
radgan maiasTan sxva proeqtebzec<br />
iyo laparaki. me namdvil mizezs<br />
ver getyviT, Cven ar vsaubrobdiT<br />
Tve-naxevari, sanam wavidoda da<br />
arc imis mere gvisaubria. ar vici,<br />
im statusSi politikuri ra iyo,<br />
`iciT, rogor maqvs gaazrebuli `sxva rakursi~? - Cemze ukeTesi wamyvanebi<br />
arian da momavalSic iqnebian, Tumca me var me! ho, vtrabaxob, midi, gaakeTe<br />
ukeTesi da gamagde. Cemze simpaTiurebi arian, Cemze ganaTlebulebi arian,<br />
Cemze magrebi, Cemze axalgazrdebi, Cemze mdidrebic, yvelaferi Cemze meti<br />
aqvT da mainc me var, midi, mebrZole da mere? momige da ra, Tu momigeb?~<br />
vis winaaRmdeg wavida... uaresebic<br />
uTqvamT „imedis” TanamSromlebs,<br />
eTerSi bevri kritikuli masala<br />
gadis da ar vici, maiam ufro kargad<br />
icis, axla me rom vicavde im<br />
direqtors, romelic ukve aRar<br />
muSaobs CvenTan da meSinodes, rom<br />
vaime, rame safrTxe ar Semeqmnaso,<br />
ara! axali xelmZRvaneloba hyavs<br />
„imeds”, aqedan gamomdinare, es ambavi<br />
mogiyeviT ise, rogorc aris.<br />
_ dedoflis gareSe ar gauWirda<br />
gia jajaniZes da „sxva ra-<br />
kurss”?<br />
_ ara, ar gamiWirda!<br />
_ yovelTvis sainteresoa satelevizio<br />
intrigebi. Cveni profe-<br />
sia, umetesad, ambiciur adamianebs<br />
aerTianebs, romlebsac uyvarT pi-<br />
rveloba da a. S. Tqven uamravi<br />
mteri gyavT da es gadacemaSic<br />
aRniSneT, rom aravin mogilocaT<br />
warmateba, rogor umklavdebiT<br />
profesiul Semotevebs?<br />
_ momismine, albaT arian da<br />
iciT, ratom vambob amas? me var<br />
adamiani, romelic yvelafers uSvebs.<br />
aravis vebrZvi, anu ar var<br />
CarTuli brZolaSi, Cems gundSi<br />
intriga ver iqneba da ratom, getyvi:<br />
rac ar gaukeTebia arc erTi<br />
Sous wamyvans, imas vakeTeb. maqvs<br />
moTxovnileba da amas damidasturebs<br />
ufro didi warsuli sxva<br />
satelevizio gamocdilebidan moyolebuli.<br />
Zalian minda, rom yvela<br />
gamoCndes kadrSi. erTi suli maqvs,<br />
staJiori Jurnalisti rodis dawers<br />
karg teqsts da roca es xdeba,<br />
veubnebi: gamodi, stendafi Cawere,<br />
gamoCndi, midi, gamoCndi! dedas<br />
geficebiT, es aris „sxva rakursi<br />
gia jajaniZesTan erTad”. Cemi fexebi<br />
iqneba, jgufi rom ar myavdes,<br />
visTan erTadac vakeTeb am Sous.<br />
bolomde viazreb, _ Cemi jgufi<br />
rom ar iyos, „sxva rakursi” ar iqneboda.<br />
yvelas vexmarebi. CemTan<br />
staJirebaze erTi adamiani iyo,<br />
romelsac kargi samsaxuri SesTavazes<br />
da isev CvenTan darCa, bolos<br />
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StatSi Casves. Cems gundSi Seuracxyofa<br />
aravisTvis mimiyenebia,<br />
amas veravin ityvis. TanamSromels<br />
SemiZlia yava movuduRo, vixumro<br />
da a. S.<br />
garedan Tu vinme mebrZvis, dae<br />
mebrZolos... iciT, rogor maqvs<br />
gaazrebuli „sxva rakursi”? _ Cemze<br />
ukeTesi wamyvanebi arian da<br />
momavalSic iqnebian, Tumca me var<br />
me!<br />
ho, vtrabaxob, midi, gaakeTe<br />
ukeTesi da gamagde. Cemze simpaTiurebi<br />
arian, Cemze ganaTlebulebi<br />
arian, Cemze magrebi, Cemze axalgazrdebi,<br />
Cemze mdidrebic, yvelaferi<br />
Cemze meti aqvT da mainc<br />
me var, midi, mebrZole da mere? momige<br />
da ra, Tu momigeb? iciT, ratom<br />
var sul mogebuli? arasodes<br />
vibrZvi, arasodes vixlarTebi intrigebSi,<br />
da iciT, ratom? Tu<br />
CemTan vinme mova da metyvis vinmeze,<br />
rom cudia, imdenjer vupasuxeb,<br />
ramdenjerac metyvis, _ Tavi<br />
daanebe, Tavisi gaWirveba yofnis...<br />
erT ambavs mogiyvebiT: vaime,<br />
guSin orma damoukidebelma Zalian<br />
cnobilma „sveckma” qalma erTmaneTze<br />
zurgs ukan sul goimi iZaxa.<br />
es rom gaigon, mokvdebian,<br />
saSineleba daemarTebaT. xo Cemzec<br />
amboben, goimuri gadacema aqvso,<br />
xo, mere ra? aris goimuri, mere ra<br />
ginda? mayurebeli myavs, vuyvarvar<br />
mayurebels. Tu ar giyvarvar,<br />
ar giyvarde, radgan ar SeiZleba,<br />
yvelas yvela uyvardes. damagemovnon<br />
da mixvdebian, rogori var...<br />
_ Tqvens gatacebebze minda<br />
gkiTxoT: ezoTerika, mistika, qvebi,<br />
samkaulebi, romlebsac sxvadasxva<br />
daniSnuleba aqvs. realu-<br />
rad, es xom ar gicavT boroti<br />
Zalebisgan?<br />
_ ici, ras getyvi, axla iseT<br />
provocirebas mikeTeb da ginda,<br />
provokaciaze wamomago?.. ori pasuxi<br />
maqvs. orive giTxra?<br />
_ miTxariT...<br />
_ iseTi qvebi maqvs, romelic ise<br />
micavs, rom rogorc ki mtrobas<br />
damipireb, saSineleba dagemarTeba,<br />
saSinlad damarcxdebi! aris erTi<br />
qva labratoridi da Tu ginda, rom<br />
SemWamo da momkla, SeiZleba saku-<br />
Tari Tavi SeWamo da mokla, imdenad<br />
Zlieria! ra Tqma unda, viyeneb<br />
ezoTerikas da ra Tqma unda, vici<br />
es yvelaferi. da axla meore pasuxi<br />
aris aseTi: qvebma rom rame<br />
icodnen, ver uyureb, ra xdeba 21-<br />
e saukuneSi?! daxoca xalxma erTmaneTi.<br />
sadac imas amboben, jajaniZe<br />
siyvarulis wamals akeTebso...<br />
me rom siyvarulis wamali mcodnoda,<br />
amdens vewamebodi? Zlivs<br />
movedi aqamde! imasac amboben, jajaniZem<br />
jadoebis keTeba iciso...<br />
_ gagikeTebiaT vinmesTvis<br />
jado?<br />
_ arasodes, kargi, raa. Zalian<br />
janmrTeli adamiani var. getyvi,<br />
Cemi saidumloeba raSia _ rogor<br />
giTxra, aba, es ar iTqmeba, marTla<br />
ar iTqmis! dRes SabaTia (interviu<br />
SabaTs Caiwera, _ red.), daRlili<br />
viyavi, gawamebuli da roca vfiqrob,<br />
axla davisveneb da telefonis<br />
zars ar vupasuxeb-meTqi, momwere<br />
da avinTe, Sen gindoda CemTan<br />
interviu. miTxari, rom samSabaTis<br />
nomerSi unda daibeWdos da SemomTavaze<br />
xval-zeg Cagvewera... ra<br />
momaTmeninebda zegamde an zeg, Sei-<br />
Zleba, sadme wavide... aha, movida sicocxle,<br />
mec mixaria da Senc gixaria!<br />
gana, interviu ar momicia an<br />
ar mimicia sxva JurnalisTvis, gazeTisTvis,<br />
pirvelia? mivxvdi,<br />
rogori var, miyvars yvelaferi da<br />
Cemi saidumloeba swored es aris.<br />
axla isev gamaxsenda: oooo, maiaze<br />
rogor var gabrazebuli, siyvaruli<br />
mabrazebs, CemTvis araferi<br />
dauSavebia, Tavis Tavs dauSava.<br />
yvelaferze da yvelaze metad gamixardeba,<br />
Tuki muSaobas daiwyebs!<br />
imitom, rom mSromelia, ukideganod<br />
mSromeli, Tavdadebuli... ici,<br />
ra mgonia? _ adamianebi cxovroben<br />
Cven irgvliv, oRond ar ician, rom<br />
acremlebuli telewamyvani<br />
da sezonis bolo Sou _<br />
gia jajaniZe telekompania<br />
`imeds~ ar datovebs<br />
gardacvlilebi arian. cxovroben,<br />
dadian, muSaoben, magram arian gardacvlilebi,<br />
Tavad ver xvdebian,<br />
mimixvdi? akeTeben saqmes, komunikaciaSi<br />
arian, magram aRar arian da<br />
ar ici, rogori survili maqvs, midrekileba<br />
maqvs, rom es adamianebi<br />
gavacocxlo! gamicocxlebia,<br />
marTla gamicocxlebia da ici, ra...<br />
ezoTerikaze rom vlaparakobdiT,<br />
ezoTerika marTla seriozuli<br />
mecnierebaa, oRond Tu Sen siyvaruli<br />
da rwmena ar gaqvs, ar arsebobs,<br />
rames miaRwio. ki aRwev,<br />
magram ar ginaxavs zenitSi myofi<br />
adamiani, rogori srialiT mofrinavs.<br />
qvebze rom mkiTxe, bolo<br />
Cakra aris iisferi da axla aRmoa-<br />
Cines merve Cakra, romelic anteniTaa<br />
SeerTebuli da am antenas es<br />
qva aaqtiurebs, romelic mikeTia.<br />
me ra vici, marTla aaqtiurebs Tu<br />
ara, magram mainc mikeTia...<br />
_ SesaZlebelia, Tqveni da maia<br />
stefnaZis tandemi isev vixiloT<br />
axali sezonidan?<br />
_ rogorc ca da dedamiwa ar<br />
SeerTdeba, ise Cven ver vimuSavebT<br />
erTd...<br />
_ SvebulebaSi xar da es yvelaze<br />
kargi periodia adamian-<br />
isTvis. jer ar gadagiwvetiaT, sad<br />
gaatarebT ardadegebs da visTan<br />
erTad?<br />
_ marto miyvars dasveneba da<br />
maSin visveneb, roca Cems TavTan<br />
var marto. narcisi ar var, magram<br />
vgiJdebi sakuTar Tavze. yovel-<br />
Tvis vukeTeb materializebas imas,<br />
rac me minda. yvelaferi Semisrulda,<br />
CarCoSi maqvs survilebic... jer<br />
ar vici, sad waval, rogor waval,<br />
Tumca vici, xalxmraval adgilze<br />
ver waval, imitom rom ver da ar<br />
damasveneben da vfiqrob, sanam xalxi<br />
gasuli iqneba, TbilisSi viqnebi<br />
da roca Semovlen TbilisSi, me<br />
gaval da davisveneb.<br />
_ rac Seexeba „sxva rakurssa”<br />
da axal satelevizio sezons, ra<br />
siaxles hpirdebiT mayurebels?<br />
_ siaxleebi iqneba, ufro metad<br />
iseT siaxleebze gavakeTebT gadacemas,<br />
romelic sazogadoebisTvis<br />
ar aris cnobili. zogjer mayurebeli<br />
marTalia, _ amovida yelSi er-<br />
Ti da igive saxeebi, mec ki amomivida<br />
ukve Cemi Tavic yelSi, aqedan<br />
gamomdinare, bevri gadacema meqneba<br />
socialur Temaze, aseve meqneba<br />
dafarul da moparul istoriebze,<br />
iqneba mistika, oRond sxva kuTxiT...<br />
daRvinda „sxva rakursi”, meeqvse<br />
welia da ukve skolaSi Sevida,<br />
aqamde baRSi iyo. vecdebi, ufro<br />
akademiuri iyos, magram am Cems<br />
Cacmulobas ra vuyo, ar vici...<br />
_ xom ar apireb axali imijis<br />
morgebas?<br />
_ raRa unda Sevicvalo?! Tavs<br />
Tu amovideb iRliaSi da ise waviyvan<br />
gadacemas, ra unda Sevcvalo,<br />
yvelaferi gakeTebuli maqvs. ise-<br />
Ti viqnebi, rogoric var, oRond<br />
ufro meti saintereso Tema meqneba.<br />
mayurebelze orientirebuli<br />
var, mas ra ainteresebs. Zalian bevri<br />
meubneba, rom pulsze midevs<br />
xeli, vici, ra unda da ra uxaria<br />
mayurebels. zustad vici, ra unda<br />
mayurebels, radgan sul davdivar<br />
da sul xalxSi var, adamianebi miyvars.<br />
davdivar da Camovjdebi<br />
xolme maRaziaSi, bazarSi, Sevdivar<br />
meoradebSi da yvelafers vaTvaliereb.<br />
me vici yvelafris fasi da<br />
ase davdivar da davbodialob.<br />
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galel qarTvelebs gvarebis<br />
ramdenime dRis win organiza-<br />
giorgi abaSiZe<br />
cia „samurzayanoel afxazTa sab-<br />
Wom” gaavrcela informacia, rom<br />
okupirebul afxazeTSi, kerZod, galis raionSi, 400-ze metma<br />
adamianma, romelic aqamde qarTvelad miiCneoda, „ZirZveli<br />
afxazur gvari” daibruna da afxazad Caewera. amasTan, aRniS-<br />
nuli organizaciis Tavmjdomaris moadgile ediSer zuxbam<br />
sazogadoebas amcno, rom e. w. oficialuri soxumi yvela<br />
galels, vinc „afxazur fesvebTan” dabrunebis survils<br />
gamoTqvams da afxazur gvars miiRebs, „afxazuri moqalaqeo-<br />
biTa” da aseve „axali pasportiT” „daasaCuqrebs”.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, niSandoblivia,<br />
rom axalxan galSi organizacia<br />
„samurzayanoel afxazTa sabWom”<br />
yriloba gamarTa. es organizacia<br />
mexuTe welia, arsebobs da am xnis<br />
ganmavlobaSi, rogorc zemoxsenebuli<br />
zuxba ambobs, afxazuri gvaris<br />
dabrunebis sakiTxSi daxmarebis<br />
mizniT mas 900-mde adamianma mimarTa.<br />
zuxbas cnobiTve, „ZirZveli<br />
afxazuri gvaris” dabrunebis survils<br />
galSi mcxovrebi is megrelebi<br />
gamoTqvamen, romlebsac afxazuri<br />
fesvebi aqvT, magram bolSevikebis<br />
dros iZulebuli gaxdnen,<br />
afxazuri gvarebi „megrulad”<br />
gadaekeTebinaT.<br />
„axla ki droa, samarTlianoba<br />
aRdges da xalxma ZirZveli, originaluri<br />
afxazuri gvarebi daibrunos”,<br />
_ citirebs zuxbas sityvebs<br />
okupirebuli soxumis media,<br />
romelic, rasakvirvelia, kremlis<br />
direqtivebis gamtarebelia.<br />
„Cveni sabWo dainteresebulia,<br />
rom galelebi rac SeiZleba swrafad<br />
integrirdnen afxazeTis cxovrebaSi<br />
da aRidginon Zveli afxazuri<br />
gvarebi. swored am mizniT,<br />
galis raionSi skola-internatis<br />
gaxsnaa dagegmili, sadac bavSvebi<br />
afxazur enasa da afxazeTis istorias<br />
Seiswavlian. saerTod, dRes<br />
galis raionis mosaxleobis 95%<br />
eTnikuri megrelia, Tumca yvelam<br />
kargad icis sakuTari afxazuri<br />
fesvebis Sesaxeb. iseTic bevria, visac,<br />
Tavis droze, afxazuri gvaris<br />
qarTulad gadakeTeba aiZules”, _<br />
acxadeben 2014 wels daarsebul<br />
„samurzayanoel afxazTa sabWoSi”.<br />
aqve isic unda vTqvaT, rom sab-<br />
Wos wevrebi „ZirZvel afxazur<br />
gvarebad” anCabaZes, aZinbaias, aqiSbaias,<br />
gvaZabias, buTbaias, inaliSvils,<br />
qecbaias, kakubavas, ezugbaias,<br />
yolbaiasa da kidev aTze met<br />
gvars miiCneven.<br />
TvalnaTelia, rom es wminda<br />
rusuli scenaria, anu kremli yvelafers<br />
akeTebs, rom galis qarTuli<br />
mosaxleobis asimilacia moxdes.<br />
SeiZleba, zogma ikiTxos, adamians<br />
gvaris Secvla vin da rogor<br />
unda aiZuloso, magram aq erTi<br />
mniSvnelovani garemoebaa gasaTvaliswinebeli.<br />
kerZod, miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />
okupirebuli galis mosaxleobas,<br />
ase Tu ise, saqarTvelosTan komunikacia<br />
aqvs, is mainc didi wnexis<br />
qveS cxovrobs _ igive enguris xidis<br />
moulodnel Caketvaze rom<br />
araferi vTqvaT, eSmakma uwyis, okupantebsa<br />
da aseve separatistebs<br />
TavSi ra mouvaT da xalxs ra jojoxeTs<br />
mouwyoben.<br />
amas garda, isic mniSvnelovania,<br />
rom kremlisTvis galis raioni<br />
strategiuli adgilia da Sesabamisad,<br />
zustad amiT aixsneba, rom<br />
24<br />
ramdenime wlis win, putinis gadawyvetilebiT,<br />
galSi rusuli samxedro<br />
qalaqis mSenebloba daiwyo,<br />
anu 2016 wlis 21 noembers oficialuma<br />
moskovma e. w. oficialur<br />
soxumTan specialuri samxedro<br />
TanamSromlobis dokumenti gaaforma,<br />
romelsac _ arc meti, arc<br />
naklebi _ Tavad vladimir vladimiris<br />
Ze putinma, e. i., ruseTis<br />
prezidentma moawera xeli.<br />
ras iTvaliswinebs es dokumenti?<br />
_ rogorc maSin qarTvelma<br />
samxedro eqspertebma da politikurma<br />
analitikosebma Tqves, am<br />
dokumentiT kremli afxazeTze<br />
srul samxedro kontrols oficialurad<br />
daamyarebda da, principSi,<br />
asec moxda.<br />
„xelSekrulebis nebismieri mxaris<br />
mimarT agresiis mosagerieblad<br />
(SeiaraRebuli Tavdasxma)<br />
xelSekrulebis ZalaSi Sesvlidan<br />
erT weliwadSi qmnian erTobliv<br />
sajariso formirebas ruseTis sajariso<br />
da afxazeTis sajariso SenaerTebidan.<br />
agresiis safrTxis periodSi an<br />
saomari moqmedebebis dros gaer-<br />
Tianebuli formirebis sardlad<br />
iniSneba ruseTis federaciis mier<br />
ruseTis sajariso SenaerTis warmomadgeneli,<br />
xolo moadgiled _<br />
afxazeTis respublikis sajariso<br />
SenaerTis warmomadgeneli.<br />
agresiis (SeiaraRebuli Tavdasxma)<br />
safrTxis arsebobas, romelic<br />
aris safuZveli gaerTianebuli<br />
sajariso formirebis Seqmnisa,<br />
adgens xelSekrulebis mxare-<br />
Ta SeTanxmebuli gadawyvetilebiT<br />
uflebamosili organo.<br />
gaerTianebuli sajariso formirebis<br />
Sesaxeb gadawyvetileba unda<br />
ecnobos afxazeTis respublikis<br />
jaris mTavarsardals”, _ naTqvamia<br />
am xelSekrulebis me-7 muxl-<br />
Si.<br />
„erT welze metia, galis dabali<br />
zonis soflebSi sakomendanto<br />
reJimi isedac moqmedebs. bolo<br />
TxuTmeti dRea, Cvens sofelSi<br />
damatebiT specialuri sapatrulo<br />
manqanebi gamoCndnen. rusebs sxva<br />
tipis formebi acviaT. yvelas gagvikvirda,<br />
radgan adre sxva formebi<br />
ecvaT, Tumca mivxvdiT, rom specialuri<br />
funqciebi akisriaT.<br />
jerjerobiT quCaSi gadaadgildebian<br />
da gvakvirdebian, magram<br />
xval ra iqneba, aravin icis”, _ ambobda<br />
maSin galis dabali zonis<br />
mosaxleoba.<br />
zogadad, galis garusebis an,<br />
gnebavT, gaafxazebis politikas<br />
jer kidev 11 wlis win, 2008 wlis<br />
agvistos omis Semdeg, Caeyara safuZveli,<br />
anu xuTdRiani omi dasrulda<br />
Tu ara, kremlma galis raionis<br />
mTeli teritoria e. w. sasazRvro<br />
zolad gamoacxada.<br />
2009 wels ki iq pirveli rusuli<br />
samxedro danayofebi Sevidnen.<br />
`marTalia, qarTveli var, magram minda Tu ara,<br />
afxazad unda davregistrirde da gvaric<br />
Sevicvalo, radgan sxva gza da arCevani ar<br />
maqvs, anu Tu afxazuri azuri pasporti ar meqneba,<br />
qonebas ar damiregistrireben. bevri araferi<br />
maqvs, magram Tu ar daviregistrire, am<br />
mciredsac wamarTmeven. amitom iZulebuli var,<br />
afxazad davewero da gvaric Sevicvalo. ai, Cemi<br />
Zma ukve ramdenime welia, `gaafxazda<br />
aafxazda~ imitom,<br />
rom galis miliciaSi muSaobda da ase rom ar<br />
moqceuliyo, samsaxuridan gamoagdebdnen~<br />
maleve galSi rusuli samxedro<br />
bazebis mSenebloba daiwyo. pirveli<br />
samxedro baza sofel fiCorSi<br />
aSenda, Semdeg ki mdinare enguris<br />
gaswvriv mdebare xuT sofelSi _<br />
otobaiaSi, nabakevSi, WuburxinjSi,<br />
lekuxonasa da saberioSi.<br />
„aRniSnuli samxedro bazebi ma-<br />
Rali donis infrastruqturiTaa<br />
aRWurvili. oficrebis nawili bazebze<br />
ojaxebiTurT cxovrobs, Ti-<br />
Toeul bazaze jariskacebisa da<br />
oficrebis kontingenti sxvadasxvanairia,<br />
yvelaze didi samxedro<br />
baza qalaq galSi mdebareobs.<br />
saerTo jamSi, amJamad galis<br />
raionSi rva samxedro baza funqcionirebs<br />
_ eqvsi mdinare enguris<br />
sanapiro zolzea ganlagebuli,<br />
erTi qalaq galSi da erTic sofel<br />
oqumSi”, _ iuwyeboda ramdenime<br />
wlis win qarTuli media.<br />
samxedro bazebis aSenebis Semdeg,<br />
kerZod, 2015 wels, galSi,<br />
soxumis separatistuli reJimis<br />
gadawyvetilebiT, mosaxleobis<br />
aRwera Catarda. am aRweriT gairkva,<br />
rom galis raionis dabali zonis<br />
soflebSi 17 800 qarTveli cxovrobs.<br />
saerTo jamSi ki galis<br />
raionSi qarTvelebis ricxvi 40-<br />
dan 43 aTasamde meryeobs.<br />
„gali male samxedro qalaqad<br />
gadakeTdeba. im samxedro bazebiT,<br />
rac axla afxazeTSi arsebobs, rusebi<br />
isedac yvelafers akontroleben.<br />
sanapiroze eqvsi uzarmazari<br />
samxedro bazaa ganlagebuli, romelic<br />
sruliad sakmarisia imisTvis,<br />
rom es teritoria gaakontrolos...<br />
roca rusebi Semovidnen, xSirad<br />
gveubnebodnen, aqedan wasvlaze<br />
arasdros arafers getyviT, magram<br />
iseT mZime pirobebs SegiqmniT, rom<br />
iZulebuli gaxdebiT, aqauroba Tavadve<br />
datovoTo. aseT reJims, albaT,<br />
bevri ver Seegueba da engurs<br />
gaRma gadasaxldeba, _ ambobda sami<br />
wlis win galis raionSi mcxovrebi<br />
erT-erTi qarTveli da dasZenda, _<br />
yvelaferi mkacrdeba da saqme<br />
iqiTken midis, rom amiT afxazeTis<br />
teritoriis aneqsia erTxel da<br />
samudamod dasruldeba. SesaZlebelia,<br />
sul male afxazeTis yirimizacia<br />
miviRoT da amiT afxazeTi<br />
ruseTs SeuerTdeba.<br />
Cven aq arafers gvekiTxebian,<br />
radganac aq Cven meorexarisxovani<br />
moqalaqis funqcia gvaqvs. arCevnebSi<br />
monawileobis uflebasac ar<br />
gvaZleven.<br />
ise, piradad CemTvis, gaugebaria,<br />
es samxedro bazebi risTvis Sendeba,<br />
an sazRvari visgan unda daicvan?<br />
yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,<br />
gudauTaSi sabWoTa kav-<br />
Sirisdroindeli „bomboras samxedro<br />
baza” arsebobs, sadac ruse-<br />
Tis Tavdacvis saministros 4 aTasi<br />
samxedroa. am rus jariskacebs<br />
mdinare enguridan 130 km-mde aSorebs.<br />
plus amas enguris sazRvars<br />
mTlianad ÔÑÁ akontrolebs. hoda,<br />
iqneb, vinmem gagvagebinos, damatebiTi<br />
bazebi raRa saWiroa?”<br />
galeli qarTvelis am ritorikul<br />
kiTxvas „qronika+”-is respondenti<br />
pasuxobs, romelic galis<br />
raionSi bolo dros ganviTarebul<br />
movlenebs rusuli hibriduli<br />
omis Semadgenel nawilad miiCnevs:<br />
„1990-iani wlebis bolosa da<br />
2000-iani wlebis dasawyisSi samegreloSi<br />
vmuSaobdi da am zonas _ ganmuxuridan<br />
dawyebuli kodoris xeobiT<br />
damTavrebuli _ kargad vicnob.<br />
mTeli es perimetri sul 75 kilometria,<br />
romelsac maSin Cveni<br />
Zalovani uwyebebi akontrolebdnen.<br />
dRes ki operatiuli kontroli,<br />
praqtikulad, moSlilia.<br />
galis raions mxolod zugdidis<br />
ki ara, walenjixis soflebic<br />
esazRvreba. swored amitomac vambob,<br />
rom operatiul kontrols<br />
Zalian didi mniSvneloba aqvs, miT<br />
umetes, rom am teritoriaze ruse-<br />
Tis SeiaraRebuli Zalebis warmomadgenlebi<br />
TavaSvebulad iqcevian!<br />
saerTod, mas mere, rac de faqto<br />
xelisuflebasa da ruseTs Soris<br />
e. w. saxelmwifo sazRvris er-<br />
Tobliv dacvaze xelSekrulebis<br />
ratificireba moxda, galis raionis<br />
qarTuli mosaxleoba, praqtiku-<br />
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Secvlas aiZuleben!<br />
lad, rezervaciaSi aRmoCnda...<br />
afxazeTSi qarTvelTa eTnowmenda<br />
grZeldeba! es hibriduli<br />
omia, romelic 25 welia, mimdinareobs<br />
da romelic xan aqtiur fazaSia,<br />
xanac _ pasiurSi.<br />
am oms zogjer ekonomikuri<br />
diversiis saxec aqvs.<br />
diax, es Cveulebrivi omia, romlis<br />
mTavari mizanic saqarTvelos<br />
evrointegraciis damuxruWeba da<br />
Cveni ruseTisken Setrialebaa!” _<br />
gveubneba adamiani, romelsac uSiSroebis<br />
organoebSi muSaobis mravalwliani<br />
gamocdileba aqvs da<br />
swored amitom sakuTari vinaobis<br />
gamxelisgan Tavs ikavebs.<br />
Cveni inkognito respondenti,<br />
romelic rusuli specsamsaxurebis<br />
TamaSebs zedmiwevniT kargad<br />
icnobs, imasac ambobs, rom galSi<br />
dawyebuli „gvarebis Secvlis kampania”<br />
e. w. pasportizaciis konteqstSi<br />
unda ganvixiloT, anu laparakia<br />
imaze, rom okupirebul afxazeTSi,<br />
kerZod, galSi, ukve dafiqsirda<br />
precedenti, roca e. w. afxazur<br />
pasportSi adgilobriv mcxovrebs<br />
erovnebad „megreli” Cauweres<br />
da es ambavi soxumis mediam<br />
didi zarzeimiTac gaaSuqa.<br />
„aqamdec mqonda ganaxlebuli<br />
afxazuri pasporti, sadac erovnebad<br />
„qarTveli” mewera, magram sapasporto<br />
ganyofilebas mivmarTe<br />
da istoriuli samarTlianobis<br />
aRdgena movTxove. am uwyebis TanamSromlebi<br />
Cems moTxovnas gagebiT<br />
Sexvdnen da ramdenimeTviani<br />
Sesabamisi procedurebis Semdeg<br />
pasportis erovnebis grafaSi<br />
„megreli” Camiweres.<br />
rodesac es pasporti miviRe,<br />
ara mxolod Cemma, Cemi winaprebis<br />
sulebmac gaixares. isini odiTganve<br />
ocnebobdnen, megrelebad<br />
daweriliyvnen”, _ ganucxada maSin<br />
robert gawereliam soxumis<br />
televizias.<br />
zogadad, gvarebis Secvlis<br />
procesi, romelic axla galSi mimdinareobs<br />
da romelsac adgilobrivi<br />
xelisufleba „istoriul<br />
fesvebTan dabrunebas” uwodebs,<br />
axla ar dawyebula. am, ase vTqvaT,<br />
kampaniam ramdenime wlis win aiRo<br />
starti. kerZod, 2017 wlis ivlis-<br />
Si adgilobrivma xelisuflebam gamoacxada,<br />
rom im eTnikur qarTvelebs,<br />
romlebic afxazebad daregistrirdebodnen<br />
da amasTan, gvarsac<br />
afxazurad gadaikeTebdnen,<br />
afxazeTis e. w. moqalaqeobas miani-<br />
Webda. maSin es „iniciativa” galSi<br />
mcxovrebma bevrma qarTvelma miiRo,<br />
radgan sxva gza ar hqonda.<br />
„marTalia, qarTveli var, magram<br />
minda Tu ara, afxazad unda<br />
davregistrirde da gvaric Sevicvalo,<br />
radgan sxva gza da arCevani<br />
ar maqvs, anu Tu afxazuri pasporti<br />
ar meqneba, qonebas ar damiregistrireben.<br />
bevri araferi maqvs,<br />
magram Tu ar daviregistrire, am<br />
mciredsac wamarTmeven. amitom<br />
iZulebuli var, afxazad davewero<br />
da gvaric Sevicvalo. ai, Cemi Zma<br />
ukve ramdenime welia, „gaafxazda”<br />
imitom, rom galis miliciaSi mu-<br />
Saobda da ase rom ar moqceuliyo,<br />
samsaxuridan gamoagdebdnen.<br />
ise, ar modian da iaraRiT ar<br />
gvadgebian, ginda Tu ara, qarTuli<br />
gvari afxazuriT SeicvaleTo,<br />
magram jobia, iaraRi dagvadon,<br />
vidre kuTxeSi migvimwyvdion”, _<br />
ambobs galis raionis erT-erTi<br />
`arsebobs aSkara niSnebi, rom moskovi afxazeTSi dayovnebas ganusazRvreli<br />
droiT apirebs. soxumis centrTan axlos ganlagebulia kargi, axlad aSenebuli<br />
TormetsarTuliani sacxovrebeli nagebobebi im rusi oficrebisTvisa, romlebic<br />
afxazeTSi samxedro samsaxurs gadian. amas garda, ruseTma afxazeTSi aseve<br />
aaSena ramdenime keTilmowyobili samxedro qalaqi - samxedro daniSnulebis<br />
obieqti, aseve axali saerTo sacxovreblebi samxedroebisTvis~<br />
mcxovrebi.<br />
„es galis qarTuli mosaxleobis<br />
asimilaciis gegmaa”, _ amboben eqspertebi.<br />
maTive ganmartebiT, yvelafer<br />
es ramdenime wlis win imiT<br />
daiwyo, rom galis ZirZvel qarTvelebs<br />
pasportebi CamoarTves da<br />
mis nacvlad e. w. binadrobis dokumenti<br />
misces.<br />
„am „pasportis” gareSe galeli<br />
qarTvelebi, principSi, uuflebo<br />
moqalaqeebad iqcnen. amitom piradad<br />
me ar mikvirs, rom xalxi<br />
iZulebulia, gvari Seicvalos. sxvaTa<br />
Soris, komunistebis drosac<br />
iyo SemTxvevebi, roca qarTvelebi<br />
gvars afxazurad ikeTebdnen da<br />
afxazebad ewerebodnen, radgan<br />
afxazebs garkveuli privilegiebi<br />
hqondaT. yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT,<br />
Tu pasportSi afxazi gewera,<br />
maSin umaRlesSic advilad<br />
abarebdi”, _ gviyveba Cveni inkognito<br />
respondenti.<br />
is, rom okupirebuli soxumi<br />
qarTvelebis asimiliaciis politikas<br />
kremlis miTiTebiT atarebs,<br />
erTi garemoebidanac Cans, anu e. w.<br />
afxazuri kanonebiT ormagi moqalaqeoba<br />
akrZalulia. e. i., Tu<br />
okupirebul teritoriaze, am Sem-<br />
TxvevaSi, galSi mcxovrebi qarTveli<br />
afxazur pasports aiRebs, is<br />
iZulebuli gaxdeba, saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqeobaze uari Tqvas. am realobis<br />
winaSe galeli qarTvelebi<br />
mimdinare wlis dasawyisSi dadgnen.<br />
soxumis de faqto administraciam<br />
„ormagi moqalaqeobis” privilegia<br />
mxolod pensionerebs dautova.<br />
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ise, „ormagi moqalaqeoba” mxolod<br />
saqarTvelos SemTxvevaSi<br />
ikrZaleba, anu galels ar SeuZlia,<br />
„afxazeTis moqalaqeobasTan” er-<br />
Tad, saqarTvelos moqalaqeobac<br />
hqondes, Torem Tu ruseTis moqalaqeobas<br />
miiRebs, am SemTxveva-<br />
Si, problema ar Seeqmneba.<br />
gvarebis iZulebiTi Secvlis<br />
paralelurad, galeli qarTvelebi<br />
kidev erTi safrTxis winaSe dganan,<br />
anu SeiZleba, ise moxdes, rom<br />
isini galidan gaasaxlon. marTalia,<br />
jer aseTi faqti ar dafiqsirebula,<br />
magram ramdenime wlis<br />
win rusi samxedroebi, romlebic<br />
okupirebul afxazeTSi mravlad<br />
arian, qarTvelebs eubnebodnen,<br />
rom dasjidnen da gadaasaxlebdnen.<br />
es muqarac, rasakvirvelia, rusuli<br />
hibriduli omis nawilia.<br />
SeiZleba, pirdapir am TemasTan<br />
ar aris kavSirSi, magram Cveni inkognito<br />
respondenti, sakuTar wyaroebze<br />
dayrdnobiT, gveubneba, rom<br />
okupirebul afxazeTSi afxazebsa<br />
da somxebs Soris garkveuli bzaria<br />
gaCenili, rac afxazeTSi mcxovrebi<br />
qarTvelebisTvis da, zogadad,<br />
mTeli saqarTvelosTvis safrTxis<br />
Semcveli iyo.<br />
„Cems xelT arsebuli araoficialuri<br />
informaciiT, afxazeTSi<br />
afxazebsa da somxebs Soris garkveuli<br />
bzari gaCnda. amitom somxeTis<br />
sasuliero pirebma saWirod miiCnies,<br />
rom afxazeTSi mcxovrebi<br />
somxebisTvis miemarTaT, erTad<br />
unda iyoT da Tu gaiTiSebiT, amiT<br />
`aseTi dramatulia okupirebuli galisa da,<br />
zogadad, afxazeTis realoba, realoba,<br />
romelic iq mcxovreb qarTvelebs aiZulebs,<br />
sakuTar gvarsa da erovnebaze mxolod imitom<br />
Tqvan uari, raTa sicocxle SeinarCunon!<br />
yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare, calkeuli<br />
politikuri wreebis iniciativa, rom ar<br />
SeiZleba, ruseTs okupanti veZaxoT da jobia,<br />
masTan saurTierTobod saxalxo diplomatia<br />
avirCioT, rbilad rom vTqvaT, nonsensia!<br />
diax, ruseTi okupantia da amas yvelaze kargad<br />
okupirebul teritoriebze mcxovrebi<br />
qarTvelebi acnobiereben!~<br />
saqarTvelos wisqvilze daasxamT<br />
wyalso. Tu informacia dadasturda,<br />
es Cveulebrivi skandalia, radgan<br />
aRniSnuli faqti somxeTis eklesiis<br />
mxridan saqarTvelos politikaSi<br />
pirdapiri Careva da Cven<br />
winaaRmdeg ZirgamomTxreli saqmianobis<br />
aRiarebaa, rac Zalian saSi-<br />
Si tendenciaa, Tan ar dagvaviwydes,<br />
rom ruseTis eklesia afxazeTSi<br />
saqarTvelos eklesiis kanonikas<br />
aRiarebs.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime xnis win<br />
vladimir putinma ruseTis sazRvao-samxedro<br />
Zalebis doqtrina<br />
gamoaqveyna, romelic saqarTvelosTvis<br />
saxifaToa, anu es doqtrina<br />
Sav zRvaze ruseTis geostrategiul<br />
da samxedro interess naTlad<br />
gamoxatavs da es dokumenti<br />
sagangaSo mxolod CvenTvis ki ara,<br />
ukrainisa da natosTvisacaa, radgan<br />
ruseTi Riad acxadebs, Sav<br />
zRvaze gabatonebas viwyebo.<br />
saamisod, yirimis saxiT, pirveli<br />
nabijebi ukve gadadgmulia.<br />
afxazeTis sanapiro didi xania, ruseTisaa.<br />
darCenilia odesis olqi<br />
da moldova. uxeSad rom vTqvaT,<br />
rusis jari SeiZleba, aWaraSic Sevides<br />
da Tqvas, es Cemi geostrategiuli<br />
interesiao da morCa...<br />
mokled, ruseTis sazRvaosamxedro<br />
doqtrina CvenTvis didi<br />
gamowvevaa, romelsac Tavdacvis<br />
doqtrina unda davupirispiroT,<br />
rac ar gvaqvs. romeli doqtrina,<br />
roca samxedro-sazRvao Zalebic<br />
ar gvyavs. Zalian mainteresebs,<br />
sazRvao-samxedro Zalebi CvenTvis<br />
prioritetuli ratom ar aris? Tu<br />
sahaero Tavdacvis sistemebze<br />
vlaparakobT, imaze ratom arafers<br />
vambobT, rom sazRvao ZalebisTvis<br />
mcuravi saSualebebia saWiro? es<br />
Tema Tavdacvis saministrosTvis<br />
prioritetuli ratom ar aris?” _<br />
kiTxulobs Cveni respondenti.<br />
erTi sityviT, yvela zemoxsenebuli<br />
oficialuri da araoficialuri<br />
informaciis Sejamebas Tu<br />
gavakeTebT, SesaZloa, mivideT daskvnamde,<br />
rom okupanti ruseTi afxazeTidan<br />
wasvlas arasodes apirebs.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, aseTi gancda<br />
saerTaSoriso krizisuli jgufis<br />
im eqspertebs, romlebmac okupirebul<br />
afxazeTSi erTi kvira gaa-<br />
tares, jer kidev ramdenime wlis<br />
win SeeqmnaT.<br />
2013 wlis aprilSi gamoqveynebul<br />
angariSSi _ „afxazeTi: didi<br />
gza Serigebamde” _ vkiTxulobT:<br />
„2008 wlis agvistos omma saSualeba<br />
misca ruseTs, am teritoriaze<br />
Tavisi samxedro yofna gaemyarebina.<br />
Tavad ruseTis xelisuflebis<br />
warmomadgenelTa gancxadebiT,<br />
amJamad afxazeTis teritoriaze<br />
5-aTasiani rusuli samxedro<br />
kontingenti imyofeba: 3,5-aTasiani<br />
jari da, plus, 1,5 aTasi federaluri<br />
usafrTxoebis samsaxuris<br />
samxedro mosamsaxure da mesaz-<br />
Rvre.<br />
bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi moskovma<br />
samxedro infrastruqturis<br />
obieqtebis rekonstruqciisa da<br />
mSeneblobebisTvis 465 milioni aSS<br />
dolari gamoyo, maT Soris, samuSaoebisTvis<br />
amierkavkasiaSi umsxviles<br />
aerodromze _ bomboris<br />
samxedro aerodromze, gudauTaSi.<br />
ruseTis federaciam aseve gaaremonta<br />
moculobiT ufro mcire,<br />
Tumca didi strategiuli mniSvnelobis<br />
mqone sazRvao porti<br />
oCamCireSi, romelic saqarTvelos<br />
mier kontrolirebadi teritoriidan<br />
30 kilometrSi mdebareobs...<br />
afxazeTSi ruseTis federacia<br />
agebs axal garnizonebs Tavisi samxedro<br />
nawilebisTvis, rus samxedroebs<br />
ki, romlebic afxazeTSi samxedro<br />
samsaxurs gadian, samxedro<br />
samsaxuris dasrulebis Semdeg<br />
aqvT ufleba, iq darCnen da afxazeTis<br />
moqalaqeebi gaxdnen. arsebobs<br />
aSkara niSnebi, rom moskovi<br />
afxazeTSi dayovnebas ganusazRvreli<br />
droiT apirebs. soxumis centrTan<br />
axlos ganlagebulia kargi,<br />
axlad aSenebuli TormetsarTuliani<br />
sacxovrebeli nagebobebi im<br />
rusi oficrebisTvisa, romlebic<br />
afxazeTSi samxedro samsaxurs gadian.<br />
amas garda, ruseTma afxazeT-<br />
Si aseve aaSena ramdenime keTilmowyobili<br />
samxedro qalaqi _ samxedro<br />
daniSnulebis obieqti, aseve<br />
axali saerTo sacxovreblebi samxedroebisTvis.<br />
saerTo sacxovreblebi<br />
da sacxovrebeli saxlebi<br />
rusi samxedro mosamsaxureebisTvis<br />
aseve agebulia galis raion-<br />
Si, anu iq, sadac kompaqturad cxovroben<br />
qarTvelebi.<br />
qalaq galis centridan, daaxloebiT,<br />
or kilometrSi wamomar-<br />
Tulia axali samxedro qalaqi,<br />
Tanamedrove aTsarTuliani sacxovrebeli<br />
korpusebiT rusuli<br />
garnizonisa da rusi samxedroebis<br />
ojaxis wevrebisTvis. es qalaqi zemodan<br />
dahyurebs mezoblad mdebare<br />
Zvel qarTul saxlebs, romlebic<br />
didi xania, qarTvelebma miatoves<br />
da romlebic gaZarcvulgapartaxebulia.<br />
es rusuli samxedro qalaqi,<br />
romlis SigniTac rusuli marTlmadidebluri<br />
eklesiaa aSenebuli,<br />
xuTmetriani betonis kedliTaa<br />
garSemortymuli, romelsac zemodan<br />
mWidrod Semovlebuli aqvs<br />
ekliani mavTulxlarTi. mTel perimetrze<br />
damontaJebulia ramdenime<br />
aTeuli videokamera”.<br />
erTi sityviT, aseTi dramatulia<br />
okupirebuli galisa da, zogadad,<br />
afxazeTis realoba, realoba,<br />
romelic iq mcxovreb qarTvelebs<br />
aiZulebs, sakuTar gvarsa da<br />
erovnebaze mxolod imitom Tqvan<br />
uari, raTa sicocxle SeinarCunon!<br />
yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare, calkeuli<br />
politikuri wreebis iniciativa,<br />
rom ar SeiZleba, ruseTs<br />
okupanti veZaxoT da jobia, masTan<br />
saurTierTobod saxalxo diplomatia<br />
avirCioT, rbilad rom vTqvaT,<br />
nonsensia! diax, ruseTi okupantia<br />
da amas yvelaze kargad okupirebul<br />
teritoriebze mcxovrebi<br />
qarTvelebi acnobiereben!<br />
25
qeTevan enuqiZis gverdi<br />
saCxeris municipalitetis mim-<br />
dinare proeqtebi<br />
premier-ministris 2019 wlis 18<br />
ivlisis gankargulebiT (#1669),<br />
maRalmTiani regionebis ganviTarebis<br />
fondidadan ramdenime municipalitets<br />
infrastruqturuli<br />
samuSaoebisTvis 9 470 000 lari<br />
gamoeyo.<br />
saCxeris municipaliteti: 2 118<br />
975 lari;<br />
goris municipaliteti: 441 750<br />
lari;<br />
gurjaanis municipaliteti: 1<br />
284 297 lari;<br />
baRdaTis municipaliteti: 469<br />
870 lari;<br />
cageris municipaliteti: 1 094<br />
550 lari;<br />
Coxatauris municipaliteti: 78<br />
261 lari;<br />
axalcixis municipaliteti: 653<br />
332 lari;<br />
ambrolauris municipaliteti:<br />
305 104 lari;<br />
Telavis municipaliteti: 336<br />
287 lari;<br />
WiaTuris municipaliteti: 696<br />
500 lari;<br />
tyibulis municipaliteti: 212<br />
600 lari;<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
(370,000 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
20.03.2019-30.06.2020;<br />
4. sofel sairxeSi (mesxebis ubnidan<br />
sofel merjevis dekanoiZeebis<br />
ubnamde) saavtomibilo gzaze<br />
rkina-betonis safris mowyoba.<br />
murman togoniZe _ 387,228 lari<br />
(484,034 lari)<br />
oTxi monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
20.03.2019-30.07.2020;<br />
5. sofel argveTis sabavSvo<br />
baRis samSeneblo samuSaoebi<br />
Sps „artgrupi”, 168,000 lari<br />
(197,860 lari)<br />
oTxi monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
26.03.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
6. sofel WorvilaSi wereTlebis<br />
ubanSi sasaflaos SemoRobvisa<br />
da q. saCxereSi sasaflaos teritoriaze<br />
safexmavlo bilikis mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
badri lomauriZe, 17,601 lari<br />
(22,000 alri)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
27.02.2019-31.12.2019<br />
statusi: Sesrulebuli xelSekruleba;<br />
7. q. saCxereSi dosiTeos wereT-<br />
traciul erTeulSi Semavali soflebis<br />
sasmeli wylis sistemebis<br />
mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
individ-partniori 1,272,993<br />
lari (1,591,240 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
05.04.2019-30.09.2020;<br />
12. soflebis: jalaurTa, begiauris<br />
gzis monakveTis reabilitacia.<br />
Sps „qrosfointi” 240,401 lari<br />
(273,628 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
19.04.2019-30.08.2020;<br />
18. sofel korboulSi Zlevis<br />
wminda giorgis eklesiidan goraZiris<br />
mimarTulebiT saavtomobilo<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris mowyoba.<br />
murman togoniZe, 339,000 lari<br />
(400,000 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
24.04.2019-30.08.2020;<br />
19. sofel nigvzaraSi xaraiSvilebis<br />
ubanSi saavtomobilo gzaze<br />
rkina-betonis safris mowyoba.<br />
19.04.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
23. sofel durevSi saritualo<br />
darbazis sarekonstruqcio samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „baundles”, 16,001 lari<br />
(20,000 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
29.03.2019-27.07.2019;<br />
24. q. saCxereSi gadaudebeli<br />
daxmarebis centris SemoRobvisa<br />
da ezos keTilmowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
vefxia lomauriZe, 23,995 lari<br />
(29,993 lari)<br />
rogor<br />
ixarjeba<br />
biujetis fuli<br />
saCxereSi?<br />
onis municipaliteti: 337 585<br />
lari.<br />
saCxeris municipalitetSi gansaxorcielebeli<br />
proeqtebia:<br />
1. sofel SomaxeTSi saavtomobilo<br />
gzebis reabilitacia 599 853<br />
lari (569 850 lari);<br />
2. sofel perevSi saritualo<br />
darbazidan blokpostisken saavtomobilo<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyoba _ 1 019 094 lari<br />
(968 082 lari);<br />
3. sofel cxamis sasmeli wylis<br />
sistemis mowyoba 500 088 lari (475<br />
084 lari).<br />
amave dros gTavazobT saCxeris<br />
municipalitetis mier 2019 wels<br />
gamocxadebul Sesyidvebs:<br />
1. soflebis: gorisa, gamoRma<br />
argveTi, savane-argveTis saavtomobilo<br />
gzis sareabilitacio samuSaoebi.<br />
murman togoniZe 581,626 lari<br />
(750,000 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
20.03.2019-30.09.2020;<br />
2. qoreTis administraciul<br />
erTeulSi Semavali soflebis:<br />
qoreTis, kalvaTisa da pasieTis<br />
saavtomobilo gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyoba.<br />
Sps „jTb golden eij” _ 393,000<br />
lari (480,000 lari)<br />
oTxi monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
15.03.2019-30.07.2020;<br />
3. soflebis: sxvitorisa da Cixis<br />
damakavSirebel gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
murman togoniZe 296,001 lari<br />
lis quCaze saqalaqo parkis mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebis saproeqto saxarjTaRricxvo<br />
dokumentaciis momzadeba.<br />
Sps „inJineriusi”, 29,660 lari<br />
(29,660 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
22.02.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
8. sofel sxvitoris teritoriaze<br />
godouras wyarosTan skverisa<br />
da mimdebare teritoriisa da q.<br />
saCxereSi yofili meTesleobis<br />
laboratoriis teritoriaze skveris<br />
mowyobis samuSaoebis proeqtisa<br />
da gegmis momzadebis, xarjebis<br />
gamoTvlis momsaxureba.<br />
nana axvlediani, 12,111 lari<br />
(16,945 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
04.03.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
9. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
soflebis: Walisa da Cixis sabavSvo<br />
baRebis Senobebis sarekonstruqcio<br />
samuSaoebis saproeqto saxarjTaRricxvo<br />
dokumentaciis momzadeba.<br />
Sps „akeTi 2017", 9,400 lari<br />
(16,945 lari)<br />
xuTi monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
26.02.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
10. q. saCxereSi centraluri<br />
stadionis sarekonstruqcio samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps TU-KA, 223,844 lari (249,965<br />
lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
29.03.2019-09.10.2019;<br />
11. sofel qoreTis adminis-<br />
10.04.2019-08.09.2019;<br />
13. sofel moxvaSi misasvleli<br />
gzis reabilitacia.<br />
Sps „kavkasenergo”, 360,672 lari<br />
(360,672 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
23.04.2019-21.09.2019;<br />
14. sofel Walis SemovliTi<br />
gzis mowyobis samuSaoebi,<br />
murman togoniZe, 349,999 lari<br />
(404,305 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
19.04.2019-17.09.2020;<br />
15. korboulis administraciul<br />
erTeulSi, ConTos dasaxlebis misasvlel<br />
gzaze, rkina-betonis safris<br />
mowyoba.<br />
Sps „jTb golden eij”, 137,513<br />
lari (154,822 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
22.03.2019-20.07.2019<br />
xelSekrulebis moqmedebis vadas<br />
gadacilebuli dReebi: 9<br />
gadaxdili Tanxa: 125,627,53<br />
lari (91%);<br />
16. sofel liCidan sofel Rodoras<br />
mosacdelamde rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „betko”, 397,000 lari<br />
(474,437 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
19.04.2019-30.08.2020;<br />
17. sofel dunTis saavtomobilo<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris<br />
mowyoba.<br />
murman togoniZe, 290,000 lari<br />
(325,000 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
murman togoniZe, 484,316 lari<br />
(605,394 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
19.04.2019-30.09.2020;<br />
20. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
teritoriaze minis stadionebis<br />
mSeneblobisTvis saproeqto saxarjTaRricxvo<br />
dokumentaciis momzadeba.<br />
Sps „mravalkuTxedi” 9,400 lari<br />
(10,590 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
19.03.201931.12.2019;<br />
21. 2019-2020 wlebis ganmavlobaSi<br />
saCxeris municipalitetSi gansaxorcielebeli<br />
50 000 larze meti<br />
Rirebulebis infrastruqturuli<br />
obieqtebis saproeqto-saxarjTaRricxvo<br />
dokumentaciis inspeqtirebis<br />
angariSisa (eqspertiza)<br />
da samSeneblo samuSaoebze sazedamxedvelo<br />
momsaxurebis gaweva,<br />
aseve 2019-2020 wlebSi dawyebuli<br />
da mravalwliani samSeneblo samuSaoebis<br />
sazedamxedvelo momsaxureba<br />
samuSaoebis dasrulebamde<br />
Sps „sainJinro monitoringis<br />
jgufi” _ 540,000 lari (540,000<br />
lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
01.05.2019-31.01.2022;<br />
22. q. saCxereSi durmiSiZisa da<br />
raWis quCebze arsebuli ministadionebis<br />
sarekonstruqcio samuSaoebi.<br />
„global standartmSeni” 76,392<br />
lari (79,594 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
xuTi monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
25.03.2019-24.07.2019;<br />
25. sofel argveTSi muxran ma-<br />
Wavarianis saxelobis skveris<br />
keTilmowyobis samuSaoebi<br />
mamia xerxaZe, 16883.86 lari<br />
(19,923 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
25.03.2019-23.07.2019;<br />
26. q. saCxereSi rusTavelis qu-<br />
Caze „gelbaxianebis tbis” sadrena-<br />
Je arxis mowyoba.<br />
zviad abuTiZe, 14,965 lari<br />
(14,965 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
25.03.2019-24.05.2019;<br />
27. sofel cxomareTis saavtomobilo<br />
gzis reabilitacia.<br />
Sps „betko”, 280,331 lari<br />
(305,550 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
16.05.2019-13.10.2019;<br />
28. sofel merjevSi memorialidan<br />
centraluri saavtomobilo<br />
gzis mimarTulebiT gzis reabilitacia.<br />
Sps „mSenservisi 55", 124,978<br />
lari (156,223 lari)<br />
xuTi monawile<br />
155 dRe xelSekrulebis moqmedebis<br />
vadis amowurvamde;<br />
29. q. saCxereSi darCenil ubnebsa<br />
da CixebSi saavtomobilo gzebis<br />
reabilitacia.<br />
murman togoniZe, 491‘393 lari<br />
(614,240 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
26<br />
26 N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.
16.05.2019-30.09.2020;<br />
30. sofel cxamSi eTo exvevis<br />
ubnidan mefrinveleobis fabrikisken<br />
saavtomobilo gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyoba.<br />
murman togoniZe, 524,457 lari<br />
(655,571 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
16.05.2019-30.09.2020;<br />
31. sofel sairxeSi sabavSvo<br />
baRis sareabilitacio samuSaoebi.<br />
marina kuzmina, 36,001 lari<br />
(45,000 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
03.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
32. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel CixaSi administraciuli<br />
Senobis, ezos keTilmowyobisa da<br />
sofel WalovanSi saritualo darbazebis<br />
keTilmowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
vefxia lomauriZe, 37,520 lari<br />
(37,520 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
17.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
33. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
soflebSi: CixaSi, qveda orRulSi,<br />
sairxeSi saniaRvre arxebisa da<br />
sofel xvansa da liCSi napirsamagrebis<br />
mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
vefxia lomauriZe, 43,635 lari<br />
(43,635 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
24.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
34. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel qoreTSi, ivanwmindaSi, WorvilaSi,<br />
cxomareTSi wyalgamtari<br />
milisa da sofel itavazasa da<br />
cxamSi wyalmomaragebis sistemis<br />
mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
aleqsandre kacitaZe, 37,730<br />
lari (37,730 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
17.05.2019-31.12.2019<br />
35. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
soflebSi: CixaSi, zeda orRulSi,<br />
merjevSi, ivanwmindaSi mosacdelebis,<br />
sofel moZvSi stadionis<br />
SemoRobvis, sofel sairxeSi, moxvaSi<br />
xidbogirisa da sofel merjevSi<br />
sayrdeni kedlis mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
vaxtang kuWaSvili, 47,973 lari<br />
(48,945 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
17.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
36. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
soflebSi saubno gzebis moxreSvi-<br />
Ti samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „kaskadi”, 58 888 lari (77,034<br />
lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
22.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
37. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel merjevSi, ivanwmindasa da<br />
WurnalSi gzaze rkina-betonis safris<br />
mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „luka&mariami”, 46,727 lari<br />
(46,727 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
24.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
38. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel korboulSi, nigvzaraSi da<br />
gorisaSi gzaze rkina-betonis safris<br />
mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „goCa”, 37,358 lari (40,167<br />
lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
24.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
39. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel korboulSi gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyobis samuSaoebi<br />
Sps „rubikoni 2019", 46,400 lari<br />
(49,991 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
24.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
40. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel gamoRma argveTsa da itavazaSi<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris<br />
mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „sk specmSenservisi” 48 884<br />
lari (48,884 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
10.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
41. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel argveTSi, savanesa da SalaurSi<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris<br />
mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „amo”, 42 958 lari (44,969<br />
lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
24.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
42. sofel SomaxeTis saavtomobilo<br />
gzis reabilitacia.<br />
Sps „betko”, 599 852 lari<br />
(599,854 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
11.06.2019-09.11.2019;<br />
43. sofel cxamis sasmeli wylis<br />
sistemebis mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
amxanagoba „eles”, 500 088 lari<br />
(604,733 lari)<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
13.06.2019-09.11.2019;<br />
44. sofel perevSi saritualo<br />
darbazidan blokpostisken saavtomobilo<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
murman togoniZe. 1 019 033 lari<br />
(1,168,665 lari)<br />
es proeqti moxseniebulia aseve<br />
premier-ministris gankargulebaSi,<br />
romelic am xelSekrulebis dadebidan<br />
erTi Tvis Semdeg gamoiqca.<br />
sami monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
14.06.2019-23.10.2019;<br />
45. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel nigvzarasa da SomaxeTSi<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
vaxtang kuWaSvili, 43 107 lari<br />
(44,363 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
06.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
46. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel savaneSi gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
daviTi gulordava, 38 926 lari<br />
(46,253 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
30.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
47. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel sxvitorSi, cxomareTsa da<br />
moxvaSi gzaze rkina-betonis safris<br />
mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „luka&mariami”, 49 587 lari<br />
(49,594 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
30.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
48. q. saCxereSi z. gamsaxurdias<br />
q. #8-Si mdebare mravalbiniani<br />
sacxovrebeli saxlis pirveli da<br />
meore sadarbazos liftebis aRdgeniTi<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
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aleqsandre menabdiSvili, 13 521<br />
lari (16,900 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
22.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
49. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel korboulSi sisvaZeebis<br />
ubanSi dawyebiTi skolis samSeneblo<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „goCa”, 88 121 lari (98,123<br />
lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
22.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
50. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel moZvsa da jalaurTaSi gzaze<br />
rkina-betonis safris mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
aleqsandre kereseliZe, 41,422<br />
lari (41,422 lari)<br />
marto monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
30.05.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
51. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel Worvilasa da maxaTaurSi<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „fortuna 2000", 44 608 lari<br />
(44,609 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
14.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
52. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel WalaSi, Ronasa da drboSi<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „fortuna 2000" _ 41 040<br />
lari (44,048 lari)<br />
ori monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
14.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
53. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel Cixasa da kalvaTaSi gzaze<br />
rkina-betonis safris mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
daviT cercvaZe, 36,077 lari<br />
(45,095 lari)<br />
xuTi monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
06.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
54. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel qoreTSi gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „jTb golden eij”, 35 976<br />
lari (39,116 lari)<br />
oTxi monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
14.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
55. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel zeda da qveda orRulSi<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
daviT cercvaZe, 39,078 lari<br />
(48,846)<br />
6 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
06.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
56. q. saCxereSi daviT aRmaSeneblis<br />
quCa #12-Si mdebare sacxovrebeli<br />
korpusis fasadebisa da<br />
ezos keTilmowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „fortuna 2000", 50 227 lari<br />
(50,227 lari)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
10.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
57. q. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel qoreTSi, jalaurTSi administraciuli<br />
Senobebisa da<br />
sofel dunTaSi aleqsandre<br />
TodaZis sacxovrebeli saxlis saxuravebis<br />
reabilitacia.<br />
zaza abuTiZe, 34 838 lari<br />
(43,565 lari)<br />
5 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
10.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
58. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
soflebis: argveTis, gorisis,<br />
nigvzaras, sxvitoris, SomaxeTis<br />
sajaro skolebis sportuli darbazebis<br />
Weris sareabilitacio da<br />
sofel gorisisa da moZvis sajaro<br />
skolebis Sesasvleli karebis sareabilitacio<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
i/m aleqsandre aznaraSvili,<br />
46,021 lari (52,319 lari)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
14.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
59. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
soflebis: baxioTis, jriis, eTo<br />
exvevis sajaro skolebis SemoRobvisa<br />
da sofel sxvitoris, baxio-<br />
Tisa da eTo exvevis sajaro skolebis<br />
gare sapirfareSoebis mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
daviT cercvaZe, 43,329 lari<br />
(45,115 lari)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
10.06.2019-30.12.2019;<br />
60. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel Walis sajaro skolis sareabilitacio<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „mSenservisi 55", 48,408 lari<br />
(49,373 lari)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
28.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
61. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel argveTSi kiparoiZeebisa da<br />
qvaTaZeebis ubnis wyalmomaragebis<br />
sistemis mowyoba.<br />
daviT cercvaZe, 18 426 lari<br />
(19,769 lari)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
03.07.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
62. sofel icqisis sakanalizacio<br />
sistemis mowyobis (dasruleba)<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „aiti servisi”, 93,494 lari<br />
(117,075 lari)<br />
4 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
04.07.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
63. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel durevSi saavtomobilo<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „meka”, 924 247 lari (1,094,839<br />
lari)<br />
2 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
15.07.2019-31.08.2020;<br />
64. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel sairxesa da qvemoxevSi gzaze<br />
rkina-betonis safris mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „axali WiaTura”, 45 395<br />
lari (39,700 lari)<br />
2 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
26.06.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
65. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel perevSi SukakiZeebisa da<br />
toroSeliZeebis ubanSi xidebis<br />
mowyoba.<br />
badri lomauriZe 201 988 lari<br />
(201,991)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
08.07.2019-30.06.2020;<br />
66. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel zeda orRulsa da bajiTSi<br />
gzaze rkina-betonis safris mowyobis<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
goderZi abramiSvili, 34,754<br />
lari (35,954 lari)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
02.07.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
67. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel sarekSi gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „beso 041", 30,665 lari<br />
(30,665 lari)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
02.07.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
68. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel speTSi, perevSi, jriasa da<br />
WalovanSi gzaze rkina-betonis<br />
safris mowyobis samuSaoebi.<br />
Sps „guja”, 49,990 lari (52,530<br />
lari)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
03.07.2019-31.12.2019;<br />
69. socialurad SeWirvebuli<br />
mosaxleobis organizebulad kvebis<br />
momsaxureba.<br />
Sps „magi”, 17,988 lari (20,000<br />
lari)<br />
1 monawile<br />
xelSekruleba ZalaSia:<br />
28.06.2019-31.01.2020;<br />
70. sofel cxamSi axali ambulatoriis<br />
Senobis mSenebloba.<br />
gamocxadda 03.07.2019.<br />
Sesyidvis savaraudo Rirebuleba<br />
_ 95,619 lari;<br />
71. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
soflebis: xvanis, maxaTauris, Salauris,<br />
qvemoxevisa da moZvis sasmeli<br />
wylis sistemebis mowyobiTi samuSaoebis<br />
saproeqto saxarjTaRricxvo<br />
dokumentaciis momzadeba.<br />
gamocxadda 11.07.2019<br />
Sesyidvis savaraudo Rirebuleba:<br />
120,000 lari;<br />
72. sofel CixaSi restoran „wisqvilebTan”<br />
arsebuli safexmavlo<br />
xidis burjebis gamagreba, Walis<br />
administraciul erTeulSi, sakoxias<br />
ubanSi, md. yvirilaze sacalfexo<br />
xidis reabilitacia<br />
gamocxadda 12.07.2019<br />
Sesyidvis savaraudo Rirebuleba:<br />
37,577 lari;<br />
73. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
soflebsa da q. saCxereSi saavtomobilo<br />
gzebze rkina-betoniT mowyobiTi<br />
samuSaoebis saproeqto saxarjTaRricxvo<br />
dokumentaciis momzadeba.<br />
gamocxadda 15.07.2019<br />
Sesyidvis savaraudo Rirebuleba:<br />
550,000 lari;<br />
74. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
teritoriaze gamavali Rele sairxulasa<br />
da merjeulas Semkrebi sawisqvile<br />
arxis gawmenda da napirsamagri<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
gamocxadda 17.07.2019<br />
Sesyidvis savaraudo Rirebuleba:<br />
485,531 lari;<br />
75. saCxeris municipalitetis<br />
sofel sxvitoris, Cixisa da orRulis<br />
sasmeli wylis sistemis mowyobiTi<br />
samuSaoebi.<br />
gamocxadda 22.07.2019<br />
Sesyidvis savaraudo Rirebuleba:<br />
7,600,000 lari.<br />
(sxva municipalitetebis proeqtebis<br />
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mkvdari buzi saWmelSi<br />
qarTuli turizmis dilema<br />
20 ivnisidan moyolebuli, viRa-<br />
giorgi abaSiZe<br />
cebi viSviSeben da wuwuneben, ai,<br />
rusi turistebis nakadi Semcir-<br />
dao. ki batono, marTlac, ar aris sasiamovno, roca turistul<br />
sezons problemebi eqmneba, magram ratom vakeTebT aqcents<br />
maincdamainc rus da ara _ evropel da amerikel turistebze?<br />
iqneb, imitom, rom CrdiloTeli stumrebi didad arc momsax-<br />
urebas aqceven yuradRebas da maincdamainc arc komfortze<br />
iklaven Tavs? sxvaTa Soris, es mosazreba im adamianebSi, romlebic<br />
e. w. turizmis biznesSi arian CarTulebi, erTob aqtu-<br />
aluria. am saqmis specialistebi imasac amboben, rom rusi tur-<br />
istebis „niriaxobam” qarTveli maspinZlebis nawilic, rbilad<br />
rom vTqvaT, gaazarmaca. axla, SesaZloa, es yvelas ar exeba,<br />
magram imas mogiyvebiT, rac sakuTari TvaliT vnaxe.<br />
mokled, ramdenime dRis win, megobrebTan<br />
erTad, siRnaRs vestumre.<br />
„siyvarulis qalaqi”, rasakvirvelia,<br />
aqamdec mqonda nanaxi, magram<br />
iman, risi momswre da mnaxvelic<br />
axla gavxdi, rogorc ityvian,<br />
yovelgvar molodins gadaaWarba.<br />
mokled, vinc namyofi xarT, gecodinebaT:<br />
im taZris mimdebared,<br />
sadac wminda ninos saflavia, kafe<br />
„piligrimi” mdebareobs. garegnulad<br />
es sazkvebis obieqti „feSenis”<br />
STabeWdilebas tovebs, magram ai,<br />
momsaxurebaze ra mogaxsenoT.<br />
erTi sityviT, megobrebma yava<br />
SevukveTeT da verandaze davsxediT.<br />
yavis moduRebas, gawie-gamowie,<br />
sami-oTxi wuTi sWirdeba, magram<br />
orjer sami-oTxi wuTi rom gavida,<br />
lodiniT SevwuxdiT da mimtan<br />
gogonas, romelic kafes Sida perimetrSi<br />
ise iyo gamagrebuli, gegoneba,<br />
obieqts mtrisgan icavso,<br />
vkiTxeT, _ yava ramden xanSi iqnebao?<br />
kaxelma gogom almacerad Semogvxeda<br />
da SemogvbRvira, _ duRdebao.<br />
meti ra gza gvqonda? _ lodini<br />
gavagrZeleT da amasobaSi 35 wu-<br />
Tamde gavida. mimtan gogonas isev<br />
SevaxseneT, _ yava ramden xanSi<br />
iqnebao?<br />
_ Tqveni yava mzadaa! _ avi<br />
dedamTiliviT SublSekrulma Semogvxeda.<br />
_ mere, sadaa, ratom ar<br />
mogaqvT? _ gavuRimeT.<br />
_ me unda mogitanoT? _ Seicxada<br />
mimtanma da tuCebi mopruwa.<br />
_ aba, vin unda mogvitanos?<br />
Tqvens kafeSi TviTmomsaxurebaa? _<br />
ar moveSviT.<br />
_ ara, TviTmomsaxureba ar aris.<br />
_ maSin, Tu SeiZleba, yava mogvitaneT<br />
da angariSic moayoleT.<br />
_ angariSs daxlTan getyvian da<br />
fulsac iq gadaixdiT, _ calybad<br />
mogvigdo mimtanma.<br />
meti ra gza gvqonda? _ daxl-<br />
Tan mivediT, Cveni gasacodavebuli<br />
yava wamoviReT, angariSic gavasworeT<br />
da iqauroba mduRaregadasxmulebiviT<br />
davtoveT.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, saqarTveloSi<br />
moqmedi kanonmdeblobiT, moweva<br />
Ria sivrceSi dasaSvebia. mogexsenebaT,<br />
veranda Ria sivrcea, magram,<br />
miuxedavad amisa, aRniSnuli<br />
kafes verandis marjvena mxares<br />
mowevas vin Civis, lamis sigaretis<br />
kolofis gamoCenac dasjadia. ai,<br />
marcxena fligelSi ki SegiZliaT,<br />
„yiraze dadgeT”, oRond imis imedi<br />
ar gqondeT, rom vinme saferfles<br />
mogitanT. yovel SemTxvevaSi,<br />
Cvens magaliTze ase moxda _ magidaze<br />
„biCokebiT” savse saferfle<br />
dagvxvda. mimtan gogonas milionjer<br />
vuTxariT, _ egeb, magida gawmindoT<br />
da saferflec dacaloTo,<br />
magram Cveni Txovna darCa „xmad<br />
mRaRadeblisa udabnosa Sina”.<br />
hoda, iZulebuli gavxdiT, urna<br />
mogveZebna da „biCokebiT” savse<br />
saferfle Tavad dagvecala.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, gverdiT magidasTan<br />
indoeli col-qmari ijda<br />
da, Cveni ar iyos, yavas amaod eloda.<br />
gamovelaparakeT.<br />
_ delidan varTo, _ gviTxres<br />
da dasZines, _ saucxoo qveyana<br />
gaqvT, adamianebic Zalian Tbilebi<br />
xarT, magramo...<br />
_ ra „magram”? _ gagvikvirda.<br />
_ ai, Tqveni samzareuloc Zalian<br />
mogvwons, magram momsaxurebis<br />
done mTlad maRali ver ariso.<br />
ra unda gvepasuxa? _ iZulebuli<br />
gavxdiT, saubris Tema Segvecvala.<br />
siRnaRi saRamo xans davtoveT.<br />
sofel kakabeTs rom gamovcdiT,<br />
facxebi SevniSneT. erT-erTma Cvenganma<br />
Tqva, _ aq namyofi var, ugemrieles<br />
xinkals akeTebeno. hoda, bevri<br />
aRar gvifiqria da gavCerdiT.<br />
`TbilisSi turistuli avtobusis moZraoba<br />
SeuZlebelia. turisti muzeumSi an msgavs<br />
dawesebulebaSi rom migyavs, iq misvla da<br />
mgzavris asvla-Camosvla rTulia. parkirebaze<br />
saubaric zedmetia. turistebisTvis transportis<br />
miwodeba da sazogadoebrivi sapirfareSoebis<br />
ararseboba TbilisisTvis yvelaze didi<br />
problemaa. turisti rom dagyavs quCebSi,<br />
ubralod, keTilmowyobili sapirfareSo da<br />
xelis gadasabani mainc unda iyos~<br />
Rirs Tu ara zafxulis gatareba<br />
saqarTveloSi da aqvs Tu ara<br />
ganviTarebis perspeqtiva<br />
turizmis industrias?<br />
simarTle giTxraT, xinklis didi<br />
moyvaruli ar gaxlavarT, amitom<br />
CemTvis Semwvari badrijani da<br />
kameCis mawoni SevukveTe. siRnaRisgan<br />
gansxvavebiT, facxis mimtani<br />
sul Tavze gvevleboda. nivriani<br />
badrijanic uswrafesad momarTva,<br />
magram rad gindaT? _ zeTsa da<br />
niorSi mkvdari buzi tivtivebda.<br />
_ erTi wuTiT, _ vaniSne mimtan<br />
diacs.<br />
wamis uswrafesad Cvens magidasTan<br />
gaCnda.<br />
_ xedavT? _ mkvdar buzs<br />
vaCveneb.<br />
_ diax, vxedav, _ iRimis.<br />
_ mere? _ gaRimebas arc vcdilob.<br />
_ ara.<br />
_ es rogor?<br />
_ kargi, axla, kaco, _ Rimilidan<br />
kiskisze gadadis mimtani, _ etyoba,<br />
mZime cxovreba hqonda da Tavi<br />
moikla!<br />
_ SeiZleba, magram iqneb, es<br />
badrijani waiRoT da sxva ulufa<br />
moitanoT.<br />
_ ki batono, waviReb, magram<br />
ormagis gadaxda mogiwevT.<br />
_ ratom? _ gaocebas ver vmalav.<br />
_ imitom, rom meore „porcias”<br />
mikveTavT.<br />
_ meore porcias ki ar gikveTavT,<br />
buzian da binZur saWmels<br />
gatanT!<br />
_ es ra laparakia? _ iukadrisa<br />
mimtanma da dasaxmareblad menejers<br />
uxmo.<br />
ase iyo Tu ise, kaxur facxaSi<br />
vaxSmobis survili mec davkarge da<br />
Cemma Tanmxlebma pirebmac.<br />
mokled, es ori SemTxveva naTelyofs,<br />
rom momsaxurebis sfero<br />
CvenSi met-naklebad ki ara, principSi,<br />
saerTod ganuviTarebelia.<br />
hoda, axla warmoidgineT, evropel-amerikel<br />
turistebs es ambebi<br />
rom gadaxdes, rogor ganwyobaze<br />
dadgebian an zafxulis Tu zamTris<br />
saqarTveloSi meored gatarebis<br />
survili kidev gauCndebaT?<br />
kidev erTi didi problema,<br />
romelic qarTul turizms aferxebs<br />
_ arc meti, arc naklebi _ sapirfareSoa,<br />
anu kilometrebs ise<br />
gaivliT, rom bunebriv moTxovnilebas<br />
versad daikmayofilebT<br />
da, bolos, iZulebuli gaxdebiT,<br />
bunebaSi „gaiseirnoT”.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, sazogadoebrivi<br />
sapirfareSoebis nawili samarTavad<br />
adgilobriv xelisuflebebs<br />
aqvT gadacemuli, magram municipalitetebis<br />
Tavkacebs, rogorc<br />
Cans, utydebaT, rom TavianTi Zvirfasi<br />
dro tualetebis mowyoba-mowesrigebaze<br />
daxarjon. arada, nebismieri<br />
turisti swored am problemaze<br />
amaxvilebs yuradRebas.<br />
zogadad, mxolod Cveni ki ara,<br />
ganviTarebuli qveynebis ekonomikisTvisac<br />
turizmi, rogorc ityvian,<br />
xerxemalia. amitomac turizmi<br />
is industriaa, romelsac mTel<br />
msoflioSi stabiluroba da usafrTxo<br />
garemo ganapirobebs. amas-<br />
Tan, turizmi samuSao adgilebsac<br />
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da gabrazebuli mimtani<br />
qmnis, zrdis mosaxleobis Semosavlebs,<br />
axdens ekonomikis diversifikacias,<br />
oRond turizmi momgebiani<br />
maSinaa, roca, adgilobriv<br />
RirsSesaniSnaobebTan erTad, vizitorebs<br />
karg momsaxurebasac<br />
SevTavazebT.<br />
mokled, turizmis ganviTareba<br />
mxolod survilsa da gegmaze araa<br />
damokidebuli. warmatebuli turizmisTvis<br />
sxva niuansebis daxvewac<br />
aucilebelia da amas arc ucxoeli<br />
eqspertebi uaryofen. amasTan,<br />
am saqmis specialistebi da igive<br />
investorebic, romlebic mzad arian,<br />
qarTul turizmSi kapitali<br />
daabandon, amboben, rom es industria<br />
ganviTarebis sawyis etapzea.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, am Temaze ramdenime<br />
wlis win „amerikis xmam” saintereso<br />
statia gamoaqveyna, sadac<br />
naTqvami iyo:<br />
„saqarTvelos regionuli ganvi-<br />
Tarebis fondis direqtori esben<br />
emborgi, acxadebs, rom mravalmxrivi<br />
politikuri riskebidan gamomdinare,<br />
ucxoeli investorebi<br />
Tavs ikaveben qarTul bazarze Semosvlisgan<br />
da qarTuli biznesebisTvis<br />
sesxis micemisgan, Tumca miuxedavad<br />
amisa, iseTi finansuri<br />
organizaciebi, romlebic investiciebs<br />
sarisko kapitalSi abandeben,<br />
warmatebiT arTmeven Tavs<br />
ekonomikis sxvadasxva sferoSi, maT<br />
Soris, turizmis industriaSi investirebas”.<br />
ase da amgvarad, qarTuli turizmis<br />
umTavresi nakli infrastruqturuli<br />
mouwesrigeblobaa da am<br />
problemaze saubars im adamianebis<br />
nawilic ar gaurbis, vinc turistul<br />
biznesSia CarTuli.<br />
„gzebi ar aris sakmarisad ganviTarebuli<br />
da am gzebze sapirfareSoebi<br />
ar dgas. e. w. masobrivma<br />
turizmma transportisa da momsaxurebis<br />
xarisxi Zalian dawia. pirvel<br />
rigSi isaa mosagvarebeli, rom<br />
yvela, vinc am biznesSia, gadamxdeli<br />
gaxdes. ZiriTadad iranidan, indoeTidan,<br />
ruseTidan Camosuli<br />
turistebi iaf serviss irCeven.<br />
iafiani servisis arseboba cudi<br />
araa, magram saubaria dabal xarisxze”,<br />
_ ambobs erT-erTi turistuli<br />
kompaniis warmomadgeneli da<br />
dasZens, rom yvelaferTan erTad,<br />
gidisa da mZRolis gamijvnac unda<br />
moxdes, anu rogorc irkveva, xSirad<br />
mZRoli, romelsac gazze gadayvanili,<br />
marjvenasaWiani manqana<br />
aqvs, ambobs, mZRoli ki ara, gidi<br />
varo. amis gamo ki SeiZleba, ise<br />
moxdes, rom gidis profesiam azri<br />
dakargos, Tan turistma, romelsac<br />
mZRoli ama Tu im RirsSesani-<br />
Snaobaze sasurvel da amomwurav<br />
informacias ver miawvdis, saqar-<br />
Tveloze guli aicruos da aq dasvenebis<br />
rekomendacia Tavis axloblebs<br />
aRar misces.<br />
es problema, rogorc turizmis<br />
biznesis warmomadgenlebi amboben,<br />
saxelmwifos CareviT unda gadawydes:<br />
„saxelmwifom gadamxdelebi<br />
unda gazardos, anu gaarkvios, gadasaxads<br />
yvela kompania ixdis Tu<br />
ara da am sferoSi ukanono biznesic<br />
xom ar arsebobs?<br />
amas garda, oficialurma struqturebma<br />
transportis xarisxsac<br />
unda mixedon da araprofesional<br />
mZRolebs maRali tevadobis manqanebiT<br />
komerciuli saqmianobis<br />
ufleba aukrZalon.<br />
rac mTavaria, misaxedia infrastruqtura,<br />
maT Soris, sazogadoebrivi<br />
sapirfareSoebi, gzebi da<br />
sagzao niSnebic mosawesrigebelia,<br />
rac TbilisSi yvelaze didi problemaa,<br />
anu Tu Tbiliseli ar xar,<br />
gzas ver gaagneb”.<br />
turistuli biznesis warmomadgenlebi<br />
imasac amboben, rom<br />
qarTuli turizmis ganviTarebisa<br />
da am sferoSi arsebuli naklovanebebis<br />
aRmosafxvrelad aucilebelia,<br />
saxelmwifom profesiul<br />
saswavleblebs xeli Seuwyos, anu<br />
saubaria gidebisa da mZRolebis<br />
specialur momzadebaze:<br />
„mZRoli mxolod manqanis tarebas<br />
ar niSnavs. specialuri kursi<br />
unda gaiaros mZRolmac da gidmac,<br />
radgan maT turistebTan uSualo<br />
Sexeba aqvT.<br />
TbilisSi turistuli avtobusis<br />
moZraoba SeuZlebelia. turisti<br />
muzeumSi an msgavs dawesebulebaSi<br />
rom migyavs, iq misvla da mgzavris<br />
asvla-Camosvla rTulia.<br />
parkirebaze saubaric zedmetia.<br />
turistebisTvis transportis<br />
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`20 ivnisis Semdeg xelisufleba gvamunaTebda, ai, antisaokupacio aqciebis<br />
gamo erovnuli valuta gaufasurda da amis umTavresi mizezi ruseTidan<br />
turistebis Semosvlis Semcirebaao, magram am dReebSi oficialuri<br />
monacemebi gaxda cnobili, romlis Tanaxmadac, rusi turistebis<br />
raodenoba araTu Semcirda, piriqiT, gaizarda. yovel SemTxvevaSi,<br />
turizmis erovnulma saagentom sazogadoebas amcno, rom ivlisSi<br />
saerTaSoriso vizitorebi 4.5%-iT gaizarda, turistul vizitebSi ki<br />
erTprocentiani zrdaa. saerTo jamSi, ivlisSi, vizitorebis raodenoba,<br />
gasul welTan SedarebiT, 5,8 procentiT gaizarda~<br />
pirfareSoebis ararseboba TbilisisTvis<br />
yvelaze didi problemaa.<br />
turisti rom dagyavs quCebSi,<br />
ubralod, keTilmowyobili sapirfareSo<br />
da xelis gadasabani mainc<br />
unda iyos.<br />
regionebSi ki rekreaciuli da<br />
satransporto zonebis gamijvna<br />
unda moxdes”, _ amboben turistuli<br />
biznesis warmomadgenlebi.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, 20 ivnisis Semdeg<br />
xelisufleba gvamunaTebda, ai,<br />
antisaokupacio aqciebis gamo erovnuli<br />
valuta gaufasurda da amis<br />
umTavresi mizezi ruseTidan turistebis<br />
Semosvlis Semcirebaao,<br />
magram am dReebSi oficialuri monacemebi<br />
gaxda cnobili, romlis<br />
Tanaxmadac, rusi turistebis<br />
raodenoba araTu Semcirda, piriqiT,<br />
gaizarda. yovel SemTxvevaSi,<br />
turizmis erovnulma saagentom sazogadoebas<br />
amcno, rom ivlisSi<br />
saerTaSoriso vizitorebi 4.5%-iT<br />
gaizarda, turistul vizitebSi ki<br />
erTprocentiani zrdaa. saerTo<br />
jamSi, ivlisSi, vizitorebis raodenoba,<br />
gasul welTan SedarebiT,<br />
5,8 procentiT gaizarda.<br />
ris sanaxavad Camodian saqar-<br />
TveloSi turistebi? _ rogorc<br />
irkveva, rus vizitorebs umetesad<br />
ZirZveli qarTuli eklesiebi da<br />
religiuri adgilebi ainteresebT.<br />
arabuli qveynebis warmomadgenlebs<br />
Cveni qveynis buneba izidavT.<br />
ise, sazogadoebas emaxsovreba,<br />
rom turizmis ganviTarebas kaxa<br />
kalaZis, rogorc Tbilisis merobis<br />
kandidatis, programaSi erTerTi<br />
mTavari adgili ekava, anu<br />
kalaZe aqcents dedaqalaqSi kulturuli<br />
turizmis ganviTarebaze<br />
akeTebda da imasac ambobda, rom im<br />
SemTxvevaSi, Tu Tbilisis meri gaxdeboda,<br />
turistul marSrutebSi<br />
dedaqalaqSi arsebuli muzeumebi<br />
aqtiurad iqneboda warmodgenili.<br />
„yvela ganviTarebuli qveynis<br />
dedaqalaqSi muzeumebi qalaqis Semosavlis<br />
wyaroa da ara _ dotaciuri.<br />
amitom isini axali mizidulobis<br />
wertilad unda iqcnen. aseTi<br />
wertilebi ki TbilisSi, daaxloebiT,<br />
27-ia, aqedan 9 muzeumi municipaluria<br />
da dRemde reabilitacias<br />
elodeba”, _ acxadebda kalaZe<br />
TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebis win,<br />
Tumca mas Semdeg, rac meri gaxda,<br />
am kuTxiT konkretuli nabijebi<br />
gadadga Tu ara, ucnobia.<br />
rac Seexeba ruseTis turistul<br />
embargos, unda iTqvas, rom turizmiT<br />
ruseTze damokidebuleba<br />
bolo wlebis, ase vTqvaT, trendia<br />
da, rogorc specialistebi amboben,<br />
rusi turistebisgan qveyanaSi<br />
gacilebiT meti fuli Semodis, vidre<br />
ruseTSi qarTuli Rvinis<br />
eqsportisgan.<br />
ase, magaliTad, 2011 wels rusi<br />
turistebis wili mTlian turizm-<br />
Si 7.1% iyo, anu CrdiloeTidan<br />
sul 220 aTasi adamiani Semovida.<br />
2018 wels ki _ 1.4 mln adamiani, e.<br />
i., rusi vizitorebis ricxvi 16.2%-<br />
mde gaizarda.<br />
2019 wlis pirvel xuT TveSi<br />
ruseTidan turizmi 31%-iT gaizarda<br />
da wilma 18.1%-s miaRwia.<br />
turizmis erovnuli administraciis<br />
kvlevis mixedviT, 2018 wels<br />
erTma rusma turistma saqarTveloSi,<br />
saSualod, 1326 lari daxarja,<br />
rac 2018 wels, daaxloebiT, 500<br />
dolari iyo.<br />
mokled, yvela rusma turistma,<br />
2018 wels saqarTveloSi, saer-<br />
To jamSi, 700 mln dolaramde daxarja.<br />
aqve imasac getyviT, rom rusi<br />
turistebis 70% saqarTveloSi<br />
saxmeleTo transportiT Semodioda,<br />
1% _ zRviT, 29% ki _ sahaero<br />
gziT.<br />
es cifrebi ki imaze mianiSnebs,<br />
rom putinuri sanqciebidan gamomdinare,<br />
saqarTveloSi ruseTidan<br />
250 aTasi turistiT naklebi unda<br />
Semovides, mTliani danakargi ki<br />
125 mln dolari iqneba.<br />
marTalia, ruseTis prezidentma<br />
turistuli embargo dagvado,<br />
samagierod, civilizebuli msoflioa<br />
mowadinebuli, rom zafxuli<br />
saqarTvelSi gaataros. ase, magaliTad,<br />
amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis<br />
elCis movaleobis Semsrulebelma<br />
saqarTveloSi, elizabed<br />
rudma, pirdapir ganacxada, saqarTvelos<br />
yvelaze saocari buneba<br />
aqvs im qveynebidan, sadac vyofilvaro<br />
da yvelas Cvens qveyanaSi mogzaurobisken<br />
mouwoda.<br />
amasTan, elizabed rudi erTerT<br />
interviuSi ruseTidan frenebis<br />
akrZalvasac gamoexmaura da<br />
Tqva:<br />
„im movlenebze, rac bolo dros<br />
saqarTveloSi moxda, ar arsebobs<br />
mizezi, ratomac ar unda gaauqmos<br />
ruseTma es SezRudva da misces<br />
rusebs saqarTveloSi mogzaurobis<br />
saSualeba. manamde, saqarTvelo<br />
rCeba SesaniSnav lamaz, usafrTxo<br />
qveynad turistebisTvis... Tbilisi<br />
mdidaria Ramis cxovrebiT, barebiT<br />
da xalxmravali adgilebiT,<br />
magram piradad me miyvars laSqrobebi,<br />
karviT sadme wasvla, Txilamurebi.<br />
saqarTveloSi SesaniSnavi<br />
saTxilamuro adgilebia, romelic,<br />
sxvaTa Soris, Zalian iafia, evropasa<br />
da aSS-sTan SedarebiT. pirobebic<br />
araCveulebrivia da usafr-<br />
Txoa. bolo Cemi gasvla iyo qvemo<br />
qarTlSi, kldekaris cixeze. Zalian<br />
gancalkevebuli da lamazi adgilia.<br />
aseve viyavi 3-dRian laSqrobaze<br />
raWidan svaneTSi. lagodexis<br />
erovnul parkSi, Savi kldeebis<br />
tbaze... bevri qarTveli meubneba,<br />
rom iseT rameebs vakeTeb, rac maT<br />
ar gaukeTebiaT da undaT, rom gaakeTon”.<br />
ase da amgvarad, saqarTvelo<br />
gareT mters ubrmavebs Tvals da<br />
SigniT _ moyvares. hoda, radgan<br />
aseT mdgomareobaSi varT, umjobesia,<br />
turizmis industria minimalurad<br />
mainc davxvewoT da momsaxurebis<br />
gaumjobesebasTan er-<br />
Tad, imazec vifiqroT, rom ar Sei-<br />
Zleba, uceb gamdidrebis surviliT,<br />
vTqvaT, 50-TeTriani wyali<br />
mamasisxlad gavyidoT an aeroportidan<br />
Tbilisis centramde<br />
gamoyvanaSi turists 200 lari gamovarTvaT.<br />
yvelaferi es qarTul<br />
turizms miwasTan gaasworebs da,<br />
amasTan, saqarTveloc, rogorc kargi<br />
turistuli potencialis qveyana,<br />
vizitorebisTvis uintereso<br />
gaxdeba!<br />
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me-15 gverdidan<br />
- es ar iyo Tavidan imis ganxilva,<br />
marTlac waarTves Tu ara<br />
qibar xalvaSs televizia, Tu<br />
nebayoflobiT gayida. man gayida<br />
da fulic gadauxades, magram<br />
qarTulma sasamarTlom CaTvala,<br />
rom es zewolis Sedegad<br />
moxda. iyo Tu ara qibar xalva-<br />
Si zewolis qveS, calsaxad amaze<br />
qibar xalvaSs gadawyvetileba<br />
ar miuRia. man, ubralod, daadgina,<br />
rom qarTul sasamarTlos<br />
am gadawyvetilebis miRebis<br />
dros aSkara darRvevebi ar hqonia.<br />
es iyo evropuli sasamarTlos<br />
verdiqtis Sinaarsi. me es<br />
verdiqti wavikiTxe, ar var kompetenturi<br />
im kuTxiT, rom iuridiul-teqnikuri<br />
sakiTxebi<br />
detalurad ganvixilo. Ziri-<br />
Tadad verdiqtSi saubaria teqnikur<br />
sakiTxebze, magaliTad:<br />
ramdenad swori iyo yadaRis<br />
dadeba im momentSi da a. S. aseT<br />
dros SesaZloa, mosamarTleebis<br />
ganwyobasac hqondes mniSvneloba.<br />
faqtia, rom erT-erTi<br />
mosamarTle ar daeTanxma Tavis<br />
kolegebs da gansxvavebuli azri<br />
daafiqsira. radgan es erTi ar<br />
daeTanxma, SegviZlia vivaraudoT,<br />
rom mosamarTleebis sxva<br />
SemadgenlobaSi am erTi mosamarTlis<br />
azri umravlesobaSi<br />
yofiliyo. arsebobs azri, rom<br />
SeiZleboda, „rusTavi 2-is” iuristebs<br />
ufro Zlieri sarCeli<br />
moemzadebinaT. aseT SemTxveva-<br />
Si mniSvnelovania, konkretulad<br />
raze edavebi sasamarTlos. albaT,<br />
SesaZlebelia, sxva Sedegic<br />
yofiliyo strasburgSi. amis<br />
ganmsjeli me ar var, magram faqtia,<br />
rom strasburgSi saqmis Sinaarsobrivi<br />
ganxilva ar iyo,<br />
qarTulma sasamarTlom ganixila<br />
Sinaarsobrivad, evropulma<br />
sasamarTlom ki ver ipova iseTi<br />
argumentebi, romelic daadasturebda,<br />
rom mosamarTle mikerZoebuli<br />
iyo. erTsa da imave<br />
saqmeze, SesaZloa, keTilsindisier<br />
iuristebs sxvadasxva azri<br />
hqondeT da sxvadasxvanairad<br />
afasebdnen. amitom ar aris aucilebeli,<br />
rom politikuri mikerZoebuloba<br />
an korufcia vigulisxmoT<br />
strasburgis sasamarTlos<br />
SemTxvevaSi, magram ganwyobas<br />
mniSvneloba aqvs. magaliTs<br />
mogiyvanT: fsiqologebma israelis<br />
probaciis sasamarTloze<br />
eqsperimenti Caatares, _ udos<br />
komisia mxolod am mimarTulebiT<br />
ixilavs saqmeebs, mosamar-<br />
Tleebs bevri saqme aqvT, TiTos<br />
10-15 wuTs andomeben. eqsperimentis<br />
dros gamoiTvales lan-<br />
Camde 2 saaTiT adre da lanCis<br />
Semdeg miRebuli gadawyvetilebebi,<br />
anu mSier da maRZar kuWze<br />
miRebuli gadawyvetilebebi Seadares.<br />
mrogorc aRmoCnda, ma-<br />
ZRar kuWze gacilebiT keTilebi<br />
iyvnen mosamarTleebi da bevr<br />
adamians aZlevdnen probacias,<br />
roca mSivrebi iyvnen, bevr negatiur<br />
gadawyvetilebas iRebdnen.<br />
amdenad, es ar niSnavs, rom vinme<br />
gia nodia: `SiSi<br />
xandaxan agresias<br />
badebs. imisTvis,<br />
rom es SiSi<br />
damalo, Setevaze<br />
unda gadaxvide~<br />
`xelisuflebas maSinve gauxsenes, 2009 wels<br />
"saknebis qalaqi" rom iyo, am periodSi lari ar<br />
gaufasurebulao, amitom ubralod gamosvlebis<br />
faqti arafers aniSnavs~<br />
moqrTamuli iyo. anu eqsperimentma<br />
daadastura, rom ganwyobas<br />
didi mniSvneloba aqvs iseT<br />
dros, roca saqme calsaxa araa<br />
da SeiZleba, sxvadasxvanairad<br />
dainaxo. Cemi azriT, strasburgis<br />
sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi ufro ganwyobis<br />
ambavi iyo, vidre mosyidvis.<br />
_ am yvelafris paralelurad<br />
larma gaufasurebis rekordi<br />
moxsna, xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi<br />
ki am faqts dRem-<br />
de 20 ivnisis movlenebsa da<br />
opozicias abralebs, ramdenad<br />
logikuria es argumenti?<br />
_ gasagebia, rom politikuri<br />
krizisi moqmedebs larze, magram<br />
politikuri krizisi opoziciis<br />
bralia Tu xelisuflebis?!<br />
xelisuflebam Tavad aRiara,<br />
rom gavrilovis parlamentis<br />
Tavmjdomaris skamze dasma<br />
Secdoma iyo da mas SeeSala. Tu<br />
mas SeeSala, e. i. xelisuflebis<br />
Secdomaze xalxis reaqcia swori<br />
yofila. Sesabamisad, aqciebi<br />
xelisuflebis bralia, Tavad<br />
aRiareben im mizezis samarTlianobas,<br />
ris gamoc xalxi quCaSi<br />
gamovida. ase rom, opoziciisken<br />
xelis gaSvera Zlieri argumenti<br />
ar aris. xelisuflebas maSinve<br />
gauxsenes, 2009 wels „saknebis<br />
qalaqi” rom iyo, am period-<br />
Si lari ar gaufasurebulao,<br />
amitom ubralod gamosvlebis<br />
faqti arafers niSnavs. am SiSs<br />
iwvevs TviTon xelisuflebis<br />
moqmedeba da maTi arastabilurobis<br />
gancda, amas ver daabraleb<br />
opozicias. gasagebia, rom<br />
20 ivnisis Rames policiasTan<br />
Sexla-Semoxla moxda, magram<br />
amis Semdeg sruliad mSvidobiani<br />
gamosvlebia, mTavrobis gadadgomas<br />
aravin moiTxovs, ubralod,<br />
gaxarias gadadgomas moi-<br />
Txoven konkretuli saqmis gamo.<br />
_ 20 ivnisamde vrceldeboda<br />
informacia, rom gaxaria premier-ministri<br />
gaxdeboda, Tum-<br />
ca „gavrilovis Ramis” Semdeg<br />
viTareba radikalurad Seicva-<br />
la, ratom ver Tmobs gaxarias<br />
ivaniSvili?<br />
_ 20-21 ivnisis movlenebma<br />
aCvena, rom vin aris premier-ministri,<br />
amas didi mniSvneloba ar<br />
aqvs, yovel SemTxvevaSi, jerjerobiT,<br />
asea. faqtobrivad,<br />
baxtaZem darbevamde 15 wuTiT<br />
adre ganacxada, rom rezinis<br />
tyviebi maTi xelwera ar aris,<br />
Tumca 15 wuTSi aqciis darbeva<br />
daiwyo. es niSnavs, rom baxtaZes<br />
aravin arafers ekiTxeba. aseTi<br />
mniSvnelovani gadawyvetileba<br />
miiRes, es miiRo gaxariam, cxadia<br />
ivaniSvilTan SeTanxmebiT,<br />
magram premierTan SeTanxmeba<br />
azradac ar mosvlia. e. i. ivaniSvils<br />
awyobs es viTareba, rom<br />
realurad gaxaria gacilebiT<br />
Zlieri politikuri figuraa,<br />
vidre baxtaZe. Tumca baxtaZes<br />
premier-ministri hqvia, gaxarias<br />
_ Ss ministri. molodini, rom<br />
gaxaria premier-ministri gaxdeboda,<br />
maincdamainc Zlier arumentebs<br />
ar emyareboda, es ufro<br />
emyareboda im mosazrebas, rom<br />
premier-ministri Zlieri figura<br />
unda iyos, magram ivaniSvili<br />
ar fiqrobs, rom premier-ministri<br />
Zlieri figura unda iyos.<br />
aRmoCnda, rom gaxaria aRmasrulebel<br />
xelisuflebaSi yvelaze<br />
didi ndobiT sargeblobs<br />
da, faqtobrivad, is aris pirveli<br />
kaci aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi.<br />
rac Seexeba imas, Tu<br />
ratom ar Tmoben gaxarias, aq<br />
ori faqtoria: erTi, rom mar-<br />
Tlac gaxarias endoba ivaniSvili,<br />
is xedavs, rom Zlieri adamianebi<br />
ar hyavs xelisufleba-<br />
Si. vano merabiSvils xerxemali<br />
erqva, rogorc Cans, politikuri<br />
sistemaa iseTi, rom Ss ministri,<br />
faqtobrivad, xelisuflebis<br />
xerxemalia. amitomac ivaniSvili<br />
fiqrobs, rom gaxaria unda<br />
iyos am postze. meore mxriv,<br />
SeiZleba, CaeTvalaT, rom gaxarias<br />
daTmoba metismeti sisustis<br />
gamoCena iqneboda da radgan Setevaze<br />
gadasvla gadawyvites,<br />
ufro logikuria es Setevebi<br />
gaxarias argadadgomis pirobeb-<br />
Si.<br />
_ kuluarebSi gavrcelebuli<br />
informaciiT, biZina ivaniSvili<br />
Semodgomaze premier-ministris<br />
rangSi dabrundeba. ramdenad<br />
realuri ggoniaT ivaniSvilis<br />
premier-ministrad dabruneba?<br />
_ arc me da arc sxva vinmes<br />
uwinaswarmetyvelia ivaniSvilis<br />
„dabruneba” partiis Tavmjdomared,<br />
es sruliad moulodneli<br />
iyo. arc is Cans, ra xeiri<br />
miiRo ivaniSvilma an partiam am<br />
nabijiT. man im momentSi Caaqro<br />
Sida partiuli problema, magram<br />
Semdeg mainc gaeqca partiidan<br />
xalxi. ar Cans, rom partia<br />
Sekruli yofiliyo, Tundac<br />
ivaniSvilis dabrunebis Semdeg.<br />
SeiZleba, ivaniSvili daarwmunon,<br />
rom misi premieroba ukeTesi<br />
iqneba arCevnebis mosagebad.<br />
amitom SeiZleba premier-ministris<br />
postze „dabrunebis” gadawyvetileba<br />
miiRos an SeiZleba<br />
arc miiRos. SeiZleba mas egonos,<br />
rom misi premier-ministrobis<br />
SemTxvevaSi 2020 wels „qar-<br />
Tuli ocnebis” umravlesobaSi<br />
mosvlis Sansi gaizardos, magram,<br />
ra Tqma unda, es „qarTuli<br />
ocnebis” gamarjvebis garantia<br />
ver iqneba, rogorc misi partiis<br />
Tavmjdomared „dabruneba”<br />
ver aRmoCnda partiis SigniT<br />
winaaRmdegobebis gadaWris garantia,<br />
aseve aranairi garantia<br />
ar aris imisa, rom xalxi daijerebs,<br />
radgan biZina dabrunda,<br />
saqme kargad wavao.<br />
_ miT umetes, ivaniSvils<br />
erTwliani piroba dadebuli<br />
aqvs...<br />
_ erTwliani piroba dadebulia.<br />
male gava es erTi weli. rom<br />
dabrundes, kidev erTi piroba<br />
unda dados, axla mainc vizam ra-<br />
Racaso. Semodgomaze Tu dabrunda,<br />
gazafxulisTvis ukve ra-<br />
Rac Sedegi unda iyos, radgan<br />
xalxma CaTvalos, rom mis dabrunebas<br />
dadebiTi Sedegi mohyva.<br />
ivaniSvili Tu ramis mimRwevi<br />
iyo, mas Semdeg, rac erTwliani<br />
piroba dado, aqamdec miaRwevda.<br />
wesiT, unda gamoCeniliyo, risi<br />
mimRwevic iyo. premier-ministrs<br />
dairqmevs Tu ara, amas arsebiTi<br />
mniSvneloba ar aqvs.<br />
`gaaCnia, xazaraZe rogor moiqceva, vis<br />
daiyenebs gverdiT, rogor warmarTavs Tavis<br />
politikur saqmianobas, magram sastarto<br />
kapitali mas namdvili aqvs. proporciul<br />
arCevnebSi, roca SesaZloa, 5, 10 an 15%-s<br />
gadamwyveti mniSvneloba hqondes, xazaraZe<br />
xelisuflebisTvis saxifaTo politikuri<br />
figura gaxdeba~<br />
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- misi gamorCeva, mxolod da<br />
mxolod, sinodis prerogativaa.<br />
cxadia, am muxlis aseTi cvlileba<br />
raRac mizans emsaxureboda.<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, patriarqis<br />
sicocxleSi misi mosaydris<br />
dasaxeleba da dadgena<br />
patriarqis gavlenis gaZlierebaze<br />
mianiSnebs momavali patriarqis<br />
gamorCevisTvis. bevri am<br />
qmedebaSi ruseTis faqtors xedavs,<br />
rom momavali patriarqi<br />
ruseTTan daaxloebuli piri<br />
iyos, miT umetes, rom saamiso<br />
mizezi arsebobs im rusuli gavlenebis<br />
gamo, romelsac saqarTvelos<br />
eklesia ganicdis. amis<br />
dasadastureblad saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis delegaciis kretis<br />
wminda da did krebaze wausvlelobac<br />
sakmarisia, riTac<br />
Cvenma eklesiam aSkara mxardaWera<br />
gamoucxada ruseTis eklesiis<br />
boikots, rom aRaraferi<br />
vTqvaT ukrainis avtokefaliis<br />
Sesaxeb, roca saqarTvelos<br />
sapatriarqos warmomadgenlebi<br />
erTi erTSi imeoreben<br />
ruseTis eklesiis warmomadgenelTa<br />
argumentebs ukrainis<br />
avtokefaliis sawinaaRmdegod.<br />
_ aq kidev erTi seriozuli<br />
problema Cndeba _ patriarqis<br />
mier mosaydris dasaxeleba ar<br />
momxdara wminda sinodTan SeTanxmebiT,<br />
aramed erTpirovnu-<br />
lad, evqaristiuli msaxurebis<br />
dros. mRvdelmTavrebma es telearxebis<br />
meSveobiT Seity-<br />
ves...<br />
_ diax, es wminda sinodis<br />
ignorirebis samwuxaro SemTxvevaa,<br />
radgan mociqulTa 34-e<br />
kanoni naTlad ambobs, rom „yoveli<br />
eris episkoposi unda cnobdes<br />
pirvels maT Soris, aRiarebdes<br />
mas, rogorc Tavs da<br />
Tavis Zalauflebaze aRmatebuli<br />
araferi moimoqmedos misi<br />
nebarTvis gareSe. maT mxolod<br />
is saqmeebi awarmoon, rac TavianT<br />
eparqiebsa da maTTan mimdebare<br />
adgilebs exeba. magram<br />
pirvelmac araferi moimoqmedos<br />
sxvebTan SeuTanxmeblad,<br />
vinaidan ase aResruleba erTazrovneba<br />
da gandiddeba Rmer-<br />
Ti suliwmidis madliT”. igives<br />
imeorebs antioqiis krebis me-9<br />
kanonic: „episkoposebi unda emorCilebodnen<br />
dedaqalaqis episkoposs,<br />
anu adgilobrivi eklesiis<br />
Tavs; is zrunavs mTel samTavroze...<br />
magram maT araferi<br />
ar unda gaakeTon dedaqalaqis<br />
episkoposis gareSe, magram<br />
nurc dedaqalaqis episkoposi<br />
gaakeTebs nurafers sxva episkoposebis<br />
SeTanxmebis gareSe”.<br />
rogorc vxedavT, am erTma,<br />
TiTqosda ubralo brZanebam,<br />
uamravi Seusabamoba warmoaCina<br />
marTlmadidebeli eklesiis<br />
kanonebTan mimarTebiT.<br />
raoden gasakviric ar unda<br />
iyos, 1995 wlis debulebaSi Cawerili<br />
muxli, rom „kaTolikospatriarqis<br />
mier dadgenili sapatriarqo<br />
taxtis mosaydre marTavs<br />
eklesias axali kaTolikos-patriarqis<br />
arCevamde”, zustad<br />
ar ganmartavs, Tu ra uflebebi<br />
eqneba patriarqis sicocxleSi<br />
dadgenil mosaydres; aki<br />
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goCa barnovi: `safrTxe,<br />
rom okupanti pirdapir<br />
ganaxorcielebs nebismieri<br />
momavali patriarqis<br />
`dadgenas~, seriozul<br />
problemad mimaCnia~<br />
`1995 wels marTva-gamgeobis debulebaSi ucnauri cvlileba Sedis:<br />
`sruliad saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqis gardacvalebis,<br />
gadadgomis an sxva iseTi mizezis gamo, romelic SeuZlebels xdis<br />
kaTolikos-patriarqisaTvis Tavisi movaleobebis Sesrulebas,<br />
kaTolikos-patriarqis mier dadgenili sapatriarqo taxtis mosaydre<br />
marTavs eklesias axali kaTolikos-patriarqis arCevamde~. rogorc<br />
vxedavT, debulebaSi `sapatriarqo taxtis mosaydre~ weria, Tumca<br />
patriarqis 2017 wlis 23 noembris brZanebaSi meufe Sios `patriarqis<br />
mosaydred~ daniSvnas vxvdebiT. Seusabamoba aSkarad saxezea. Tumca<br />
piradad me, did gansxvavebas ver vxedav `sapatriarqo taxtis<br />
mosaydresa~ da `patriarqis mosaydres~ Soris, radgan orive SemTxveva<br />
winaaRmdegobaSia marTlmadidebeli eklesiis kanonebTan~<br />
movaleoba eqneba axlad dadgenil<br />
mosaydres, meufe Siom<br />
verc ki upasuxa an rogor upasuxebda,<br />
roca debulebiT es<br />
gansazRvruli araa.<br />
da kidev erTi detali: 1995<br />
wlis debulebis IV Tavis me-6<br />
punqtSi vkiTxulobT: „sruliad<br />
saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqis<br />
gardacvalebis Semdeg<br />
qirotoniiT upiratesi<br />
mRvdelmTavari wm. sinodis<br />
wevrTa umravlesobis TandaswrebiT<br />
xsnis kaTolikos-patriarqis<br />
mier datovebul anderZs<br />
da acxadebs sapatriarqo taxtis<br />
mosaydris vinaobas”. imave<br />
Tavis me-7 muxli ki: „sruliad<br />
saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqis<br />
anderZiT dadgenili sapatriarqo<br />
taxtis mosaydrisadmi<br />
kanonikuri morCileba saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis yoveli wevris<br />
movaleobaa”. anderZi aucileblad<br />
raRacis memkvidreobiTad<br />
gadacemas gulisxmobs,<br />
mag.: mama Tavis Svilebs anderZiT<br />
utovebs qonebas, TiToeuls<br />
Sesabamisad, rogorc is Tavad<br />
gansazRvravs amas.<br />
_ rogoria anderZis Tema,<br />
zogadad, eklesiaSi? an risi<br />
memkvidreoba arsebobs ekle-<br />
siaSi, romlis gadacemac<br />
episkoposs SeuZlia?<br />
_ erTaderTi memkvidreoba,<br />
rac epikoposis uflebamosilebaSi<br />
Sedis, aris samociqulo<br />
memkvidreoba, rac qristesmieri<br />
gamocxadebis WeSmaritebis Sesaxeb<br />
swavlebasa da tradicias<br />
gulisxmobs. sxva ram memkvidreobis<br />
gadacemis SesaZlebloba<br />
episkoposs ar aqvs, miT umetes,<br />
rom trulis msoflio krebis<br />
me-12 kanonis Tanaxmad, episko-<br />
poss ekrZaleba colosnoba. Tu<br />
kvlav antioqiis 23-e kanons davubrundebiT,<br />
aqac calsaxad<br />
weria, rom episkoposi sicocxleSi<br />
ver daasaxelebs memkvidres<br />
da raoden misi gardacvalebis<br />
Semdeg iqneba es SeuZlebeli,<br />
an ra Zala unda hqondes<br />
gardacvlili episkoposis<br />
anderZs, roca mas sicocxleSi<br />
ekrZaleba msgavsi ramis moqmedeba?<br />
Tuki saeklesio kanonebi<br />
calsaxad arCevnebis gziT<br />
adgens episkoposis gamorCevas,<br />
maSin anderZs ra datvirTva<br />
aqvs saqarTvelos eklesiaSi?<br />
arsebobs ki samarTlebrivi bazisi<br />
anderZis arsebobisa saeklesio<br />
kanonikaSi? rogorc kanonebidan<br />
Cans, _ ara. arc romelime<br />
kanoni saubrobs anderZis<br />
Sesaxeb. aqedan gamomdinare, anderZis<br />
Temac Sesacvlelia saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis bolo debulebaSi,<br />
radgan esec ewinaa-<br />
Rmdegeba saeklesio kanonikas.<br />
es Temac ucxoa nebismieri mar-<br />
Tlmadidebeli eklesiis praqtikisTvis,<br />
rasac am eklesiebis<br />
debulebebic adasturebs.<br />
yovelive zemoTqmulis gaTvaliswinebiT,<br />
avtoritetuli<br />
patriarqis sicocxleSi mosaydris<br />
arseboba, Cemi azriT, mxolod<br />
erT mizans emsaxureba,<br />
rom mosaxleoba nabij-nabij axal<br />
„monarqs” Seeguos, romelic<br />
sicocxlis bolos Tavadve<br />
daasaxelebs „momdevno mosaydres”<br />
da Zalauflebis gadabareba<br />
umtkivneulod moxdeba.<br />
mere ra, Tu es yvelaferi saeklesio<br />
cxovrebas azianebs?<br />
_ sinodis roli am SemTx-<br />
vevaSi ra aris?<br />
_ vfiqrob, yvelaferi es aSkarad<br />
mianiSnebs sinodis, rogorc<br />
adgilobrivi eklesiis umaRlesi<br />
organos dakninebaze.<br />
patriarqis gamorCeva mxolod<br />
sinodis, rogorc eklesiis umaRlesi<br />
administraciuli organos,<br />
prerogativaa, rac, rogorc<br />
vnaxeT, msoflio da adgilobrivi<br />
saeklesio krebebis kanonebiTaa<br />
damtkicebuli. am sinodisave<br />
prerogativas warmoadgens<br />
patriarqis gardacvalebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi adgilis mcvelis<br />
dadginebac yovelgvari anderZis<br />
gareSe. amitomac, vfiqrobT,<br />
rom 1995 wlis debulebis<br />
zemoxsenebuli muxlebi unda<br />
Caswordes sinodis mier da is<br />
SesabamisobaSi unda movides marTlmadidebeli<br />
eklesiis kanonikur<br />
wesebTan, rogorc es yvela<br />
sxva marTlmadidebeli eklesiis<br />
SemTxvevaSia. metic, es<br />
araa ubralod Teologiuri absurdi,<br />
romelzec SeiZleba kanonologebma<br />
idavon. es sakiTxi<br />
saqarTvelos rigiT, Tundac<br />
saerTod aramarTlmadidebeli<br />
mosaxleobis cxovrebasac exeba.<br />
_ ras gulisxmob?<br />
_ gaxsovT is uamravi mosazreba,<br />
romelic Tundac igive<br />
JurnalistTa mxridan alfeevis<br />
vizitis Semdeg gamoikveTa, im<br />
vizitisa, romelsac Sedegad<br />
mosaydris dasaxeleba moyva.<br />
ramdenadac maxsovs, Tavad<br />
Tqvenc flobdiT am sakiTxze<br />
informacias da erT-erTma pirvelma<br />
acnobeT mosaxleobas,<br />
rac momavalSi moxdeboda. Sesabamisad,<br />
safrTxe, rom saqarTvelos<br />
mosisxle mteri da okupanti,<br />
pirdapir ganaxorcielebs<br />
nebismieri momavali patriarqis<br />
„dadgenas” saqarTvelos wminda<br />
sinodis wevrebTan SeuTanxmeblad,<br />
bevrad seriozul problemad<br />
mimaCnia, vidre ubralod<br />
Teologiuri Tu kanonikuri<br />
absurdi.<br />
mosaydris SemTxveva mxolod<br />
erTia im uamravi da sruliad<br />
absurduli kanonidan, rac saqarTvelos<br />
eklesiis 1995 wlis<br />
marTva-gamgeobis debulebaSi<br />
weria. Cveni eklesiisTvis sasicocxlod<br />
aucilebelia avtoritetuli<br />
Teologebis, kanonologebisa<br />
da sxva kompetentur<br />
pirTa mier misi Sesworeba,<br />
risi realuri SesaZleblobac<br />
ar Cans.<br />
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levan qemokliZe<br />
593 16 01 40<br />
„qronika+~-is kiTxvebs pasux-<br />
obs partia „Tavisufali saqarTvelos”<br />
TanaTavmjdomare, gogi<br />
wulaia:<br />
_ b-no gogi, ra xdeba quTais-<br />
Si, socialur qselSi kritikas ver<br />
uZlebs gadaTxrili gzebi da<br />
paralizebuli qalaqi _ ra keT-<br />
deba an ra ver keTdeba?<br />
_ jerjerobiT marto Txrian da<br />
meti araferi. ra Tqma unda, kargia<br />
mowesrigebuli gza, magram daiwyeben<br />
da dasrulebiT veRar asruleben.<br />
quTaisis quCebSi rom<br />
gaxvideT, samuSaoebi mitovebulia,<br />
magaliTad, tabiZis, ninoSvilis,<br />
asaTianis quCaze. sami muSa dakinkilobs,<br />
erTi mxridan mze moadgebaT,<br />
gadavlian meore mxares da ase... mu-<br />
Sebs ras verCi, yvela mTavar quCaze<br />
daiwyes erTdroulad gadaTxra<br />
da qalaqSi gadaadgileba paralizebulia.<br />
TiTqmis erTi welia,<br />
qalaqi saSinel mdgomareobaSia.<br />
yvelaze didi tragedia is aris,<br />
rom momavali wlidan sakanalizacio<br />
sistemis keTebas iwyeben da es<br />
meore ubedureba Seiqmneba, am gakeTebul<br />
gzebs Tu daayenes saSveli,<br />
xelaxla daiwyeba gadaTxrebi.<br />
jer kanalizacia gaekeTebinaT, ase<br />
rogor SeiZleba qalaqis gaubedureba?!<br />
_ araerTi proeqti SegviZlia<br />
gavixsenoT, romelic arasasurveli<br />
SedegiT dasrulda. magali-<br />
Tad, TeTri xidis reabilitacia,<br />
romelic dResac ar aris bolom-<br />
de dasrulebuli da aTasobiT<br />
laria daxarjuli...<br />
_ es aris upasuxismgebloba, saqmis<br />
arcodna, fulis siyvaruli da<br />
fulis motexva. rodesac kompanias<br />
agebineb tenders da mere acxadeb,<br />
rom TiTqos cudi kompania yofila,<br />
Cven is davajarimeTo... ver gavige,<br />
me Cavutare tenderi? ar See-<br />
ZloT SeeswavlaT, ramdenad sando<br />
iyo kompania, mere rom aRmouCenen<br />
darRvevebs? susi marTavs merias<br />
da ekiTxaT susisTvis, adre Tu kompanias<br />
darRvevebi hqonda da upasuxismgeblo<br />
iyo, dRes ratom igeben<br />
amas?.. iseT kompanias amarjvebineben,<br />
romelsac ar gaaCnia traqtori,<br />
arc muSebi hyavs daqiravebuli<br />
da arc gamocdileba aqvs.<br />
_ axlaxan quTaisis meri erTerT<br />
centralur arxze iumoris-<br />
tul gadacemas stumrobda, sadac<br />
Tqva: gogi wulaia aRar Cans, dai-<br />
karga, maqsimalurad vmuSaobT,<br />
mTavari gzebi gadaTxrili gvaqvs<br />
da ar Cans, meSinia, ar gadavabetonoTo.<br />
xom ar SegeSindaT „da-<br />
betonebis”?<br />
_ vin eqaCeboda, ra undoda, rom<br />
wavida?! SeiZleba, iumori ar gaga-<br />
Cndes, mara, xom SeiZleba, imxela<br />
tvini gqondes, ar mixvide msgavs<br />
gadacemaSi? iumoris arqona imas<br />
ar niSnavs, rom qalaqis meri ar unda<br />
gaxde, Tumca vin geqaCeba, rom<br />
midixar da amJRavneb, rom iumori<br />
ar gagaCnia? ratom sulelob? moyva<br />
iseTi ambavi, TiTqos mas gadaxda<br />
Tavs, rac xuTi wlis win moyva<br />
yofilma qalaqis merma murRuliam,<br />
romelic mtrad hyavs gamocxadebuli.<br />
pirveli mteri iyo mur-<br />
Ruliasi da misi sityvebi gaimeora.<br />
axali weli mogviloca da goris<br />
sakrebulos Tavjdomaris teqsti<br />
gadmoiwera sityva-sityviT,<br />
aRdgoma modioda da axal wels<br />
gilocavTo, iakob nikolaZis Zeglze<br />
niko nikolaZis Zegliao, saer-<br />
ratom uwunebs<br />
quTaisis mers<br />
iumors gogi<br />
wulaia da<br />
eSinia Tu ara<br />
opoziciur<br />
liders<br />
`dabetonebis~?!<br />
Tod daanebos, kaco, Tavi laparaks...<br />
_ xuTi dRis win quTaisis meriis<br />
mier sarestorno momsaxureba-<br />
Si gaxarjuli Tanxebi gaaprotesteT,<br />
TqviT, rom qalaqis meriam<br />
mimdinare wlis eqvs TveSi sar-<br />
estorno momsaxurebaSi 87 112<br />
lari daxarja...<br />
_ im fonze, rodesac quTaisi<br />
pirvel adgilzea migraciiT, ar<br />
arsebobs samuSao adgilebi, umuSevrobas<br />
mosdevs siRaribe da a. S.,<br />
quTaisSi rva afTiaqi muSaobda da<br />
mosaxleoba iyo 250 000 adamiani,<br />
afTiaqSi rigi ar maxsovs Cems axalgazrdobaSi,<br />
axla rvaasi afTiaqia,<br />
qalaqSi mosaxleoba ganaxevrebulia<br />
da afTiaqebSi rigebi dgas.<br />
es niSnavs, rom qveyanaSi katastrofuli<br />
situaciaa, sikvdilianoba<br />
insultiT, sikvdilianoba kiboTi,<br />
sikvdilianoba narkotikebiT, qalaqi<br />
gadaSenebis pirasaa da am fonze<br />
Sen saWmels Wamde biujetis xarjze,<br />
es aris uzneoba. marto 157<br />
000 lari ixarjeba meriis manqanebis<br />
SekeTebaze, amas axla ra hqvia?!<br />
Se, kaidedmamiSvilo, cxovrebaSi<br />
„piva” ar gikisrebia da axla, rom<br />
gadeirie, meri gaxdi, am Cvens xarjze<br />
qeifi deiwye da mpatiJebeli<br />
gaxdi?! es CemTvis miuRebelia, amas<br />
hqvia Ralati eris, beris da qalaqis...<br />
_ gamosavals sad xedavT?<br />
_ sxvaTa Soris, WiRvarias ar<br />
gaemtyuneba, rodesac qveyanaSi ar<br />
gaqvs realuri TviTmmarTveloba<br />
da Sen arafris gamkeTebeli xar da<br />
arafers warmoadgen, realurad<br />
ramis gadawyvetilebis mimRebi ar<br />
xar, fiqrob, rom mainc verafers<br />
vakeTeb, mainc Tbilisi wyvets da<br />
erTi amis dedac vatire, Cems cxovrebas<br />
moviwyobo, es midgoma unda<br />
Seicvalos. realuri unda iyos<br />
TviTmmarTveli da realurad unda<br />
virCevdeT xelisuflebas, qalaqis<br />
Tavebs, sakrebulos, realurad<br />
unda grZnobdnen pasuxismgeblobas<br />
xalxis winaSe. es xalxi mxolod<br />
biZina ivaniSvilisa da misi fulis<br />
arCeulia, isini mxolod fulis<br />
winaSe arian pasuxismgeblebi. am xelisuflebam<br />
erTaderTi rac gaakeTa<br />
da daaanonsa, aris proporciuli<br />
arCvenebi, romelic marTla<br />
wingadadgmuli nabiji iqneba, Tu<br />
gaakeTes. meore: unda moaswron<br />
realuri TviTmmarTvelobis cvlileba,<br />
unda moaswron kanonmdeblobaSi<br />
cvlileba. amas Tu moaxerxeben,<br />
kidev eqnebaT Sansi, raRac<br />
dadebiTiT Sevidnen istoriaSi.<br />
sanam quTaisis teritoriaze yvela<br />
Senoba-nageboba, yvela qoneba ar<br />
iqneba quTaisis da iqneba ekonomikis<br />
saministros balansze, sul<br />
fexebze ar kidiaT? axla sasjela-<br />
Rsrulebis departamentis balanszea<br />
quTaisis yofili cixe, mitovebulia,<br />
ubedurebis budea qalaqis<br />
centrSi, 13 welia, es xrongi<br />
arsebobs Suagul qalaqSi da msgavsad<br />
uamravi Senobaa, romelic<br />
lpeba da ubedureba xdeba im nagebobebSi!<br />
ramdeni weli unda iyos<br />
ase?! qalaqs ar aqvs imis ufleba,<br />
rom rame mouxerxos am Senobebs da<br />
ekonomikis saminitros elodebian,<br />
rodis gaaxsendeba maTi arseboba.<br />
sanam ar daingreva da ubedureba<br />
ar moxdeba, manamde aravin ar miaqcevs<br />
yuradRebas. erTi werili<br />
manaxos qalaqis merma, rom am saSi-<br />
Si Senobebis Sesaxeb informacia<br />
miawoda ekonomikis saministros!<br />
_ Senobebze gamaxsenda: infor-<br />
macia gavrcelda, TiTqos, biZina<br />
ivaniSvili apirebs quTaisis meriis<br />
Senobis Sesyidvas da mis adg-<br />
ilze sastumros aSenebas. Tu es<br />
ase moxdeba, es TqvenTvis misaRe-<br />
bi iqneba?<br />
_ mivesalmebi, Tu ase moxdeba,<br />
centri unda ganitvirTos, msoflioSi<br />
ar arsebobs administraci-<br />
`quTaisis quCebSi rom gaxvideT, samuSaoebi<br />
mitovebulia, magaliTad, tabiZis, ninoSvilis,<br />
asaTianis quCaze. sami muSa dakinkilobs, erTi<br />
mxridan mze moadgebaT, gadavlian meore<br />
mxares da ase... muSebs ras verCi, yvela mTavar<br />
quCaze daiwyes erTdroulad gadaTxra da<br />
qalaqSi gadaadgileba paralizebulia~<br />
uli Senobebi, centrSi iyos gamoWimuli,<br />
gamoitanon gareubnebSi, ar<br />
var winaaRmdegi. namgali da uro<br />
axlac aris im Senobaze SemorCeneli,<br />
eklesiazea aSenebuli da vTvli,<br />
rom iq administraciuli Senoba<br />
ar unda iyos, uzarmazar adgils<br />
ikavebs da Tu iq rame iseTi<br />
aSendeba, romelic samuSao adgilebs<br />
Seqmnis, mivesalmebi. lpeba<br />
quTaisSi mTavrobis saxli, parlamentis<br />
Senoba da Tu iq Sevlen da<br />
mixedaven, SesaniSnavia. kargi iqneba,<br />
Tu gaiyideba, biZina iyidis, petre<br />
Tu pavle, satumros gaakeTeben<br />
Tu ras, amaze mere SegviZlia<br />
vimsjeloT, ra mouxdeba im adgils.<br />
is, rom aucileblad unda<br />
gaiyidos, amaze Tanaxma var!<br />
_ quTaisis turistuli potenciali<br />
is Temaa, razedac did imedebs<br />
amyareben. gasul wels re-<br />
korduli raodenobis turisti<br />
stumrobda qalaqs. wels ra xdeba,<br />
ra siaxle daxvda an daxvde-<br />
baT qalaqSi Camosul stumrebs?<br />
_ turists vaxvedrebT daTxril<br />
xeebs, mouwesrigebel gzebs,<br />
infrastruqturas, utualetobas.<br />
meramdene welia gavyviri, tualeti<br />
rafer ver unda gaakeTo qalaqis<br />
merma, amas Tbilisis Tanxmoba<br />
xom ar unda?! ori sazogadoebrivi<br />
tualeti ar unda iyos qalaqis centrSi,<br />
sadac uamravi turisti mo-<br />
Zraobs?! mouwesrigebels vakeTebT<br />
yvelafers, saerTod saqarTvelo-<br />
Si turists ra izidavs? _ buneba,<br />
adamianebi, kulinaria, Rvino, istoriuli<br />
Zeglebi... es yvelaferi,<br />
RmerTis wyalobiT, gvaqvs da xom<br />
SeiZleba, momzadebuli SevxvdeT<br />
turistul sezons da qalaqis stumrebs<br />
ar davaxvedroT yvelaferi<br />
gadaTxrili?! ar vici, ra giTxraT!<br />
quTaiss namdvilad udidesi potenciali<br />
aqvs turistuli ganviTarebis<br />
TvalsazrisiT... saerTod, qu-<br />
Taisi dasavleT saqarTvelos centria<br />
da aq ikribeba yvelaferi,<br />
yvela turistebi Cveni qalaqidan<br />
nawildebian da amiT unda visargebloT.<br />
_ dabolos, b-no gogi, dasveneba<br />
yvelas unda, maT Soris, poli-<br />
tikosebsac. cxeli politikuri<br />
zafxulis miuxedavad, Tu gaqvT<br />
ukve dagegmili, sad daisvenebT?<br />
_ „vin dagasvenebs, sanam ar<br />
gagasvenebo”, _ asea naTqvami. ar<br />
vici, movaxerxeb, albaT, ori dRiT<br />
gasvlas sadme, qobuleTSi vapireb<br />
wasvlas. ori kviriT wasvlas sadme<br />
namdvilad ver movaxerxeb, sxvadasxva<br />
mizezis gamo. rac Seexeba<br />
politikur cxel zafxuls, aseTi<br />
cxeli zafxuli ar gvqonia. politikaSi<br />
1988 wlidan var. pirveli<br />
aqcia iyo 1988 wlis 3 dekembers<br />
quTaisSi, im dRidan vdgavar aqciebze,<br />
arc erTi politikuri movlena<br />
ar gamomitovebia, aqtiuri monawilec<br />
viyavi... im wlidan maxsovs<br />
yvela zafxuli da aseTi cxeli<br />
politikuri zafxuli marTla ar<br />
maxsovs, rogoric wels. imeds vitoveb,<br />
swor ganviTarebas miiRebs<br />
es yvelaferi da arCevnebiT mivalT<br />
xelisuflebis cvlisken. yoveldRe<br />
vloculob, RmerTo, am xelisuflebas<br />
rame sisuleles nu<br />
Caadenineb, Camosagdebi ar SeiqnenmeTqi.<br />
yovel diliT SiSiT da locviT<br />
vrTav televizors, rame ise-<br />
Ti ambavi ar gavigo, romelic revoluciur<br />
situaciebs gamoiwvevs.<br />
am qveynisTvis ajobebs, mSvidobianad<br />
Catardes 2020-Si proporciuli<br />
arCevnebi da koaliciuri mTavrobiT,<br />
mravalpartiuli parlamentiT<br />
SevcvaloT xelisufleba.<br />
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damoukidebel saqarTveloSi da-<br />
badebulma Taobam icis Tavisuflebis fasi, es Taoba yovelTvis<br />
dgas qveynis Rirsebis sadarajoze. Tu vinmes eWvi epareboda<br />
Cveni Taobis patriotizmSi, 20-21 ivnisis movlenebma dagvanaxa,<br />
rom gulanTebuli axalgazrdebi sakuTari sicocxliT riskavd-<br />
nen qveynis interesebis dacvas, _ diax, es aris 13 ivnisis Taoba.<br />
13 ivnisis Taobis warmomadgenelia giorgi TaqTaqiSvili,<br />
romelic „kantis akademiis” pirobebSi momavali Taobis ganaTlebaze<br />
zrunavs. rogorc Tavad ambobs, gamousworebeli optimisti<br />
da idealistia, mas sjera damoukidebel saqarTveloSi da-<br />
badebuli pirveli Taobis. ra gamowvevebis winaSe dgas da ra<br />
SesaZleblobebi aqvs 13 ivnisis Taobas da ramdenad mniSvnelo-<br />
vania sajaro politikaSi axalgazrdebis CarTuloba? rogoria<br />
Cveni qveynis xvalindeli Taobis potenciali?<br />
am da sxva mniSvnelovan Teme-<br />
bze „qronika+~ „kantis akademiis”<br />
aRmasrulebel direqtor giorgi<br />
TaqTaqiSvils esaubra:<br />
_ qarTveli axalgazrdebis<br />
umravlesoba aRniSnavs, rom mTa-<br />
vari gamowveva ganaTlebis sistemaa.<br />
eTanxmebiT Tu ara am pozi-<br />
cias da rogor fiqrobT, ra aris<br />
Cveni qveynis axalgazrdebis mTa-<br />
vari problema?<br />
_ axalgazrdebze yovelTvis<br />
vambob, rom Tavisufal saqarTveloSi<br />
dabadebuli pirveli Taobaa,<br />
romelmac unda Seqmnas damoukidebeli<br />
qarTuli saxelmwifo. miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom sabWoTa kavSiri<br />
oficialurad 1991 wels daingra,<br />
Cven axla gvaqvs Sansi, sabWoTa kav-<br />
Siris nangrevebze Tavisufali,<br />
damoukidebeli saxelmwifo avaSenoT,<br />
swored im axalgazrdebma,<br />
romlebic davibadeT Tavisufal<br />
saqarTveloSi. rac Seexeba gamowvevas,<br />
ra Tqma unda, Cveni qveynis<br />
fundamenturi gamowveva ganaTlebis<br />
sistemaa, magram mTavari gamowveva<br />
aris Tavisuflebis sworad<br />
aRqma da im Rirebulebis gaazreba,<br />
razedac unda davafuZnoT Tanamedrove<br />
qarTuli saxelmwifo,<br />
romelic, adre Tu gvian, samSvidobos<br />
unda gavides. aucileblad<br />
unda gamovideT am mojadoebuli<br />
wridan da warmatebis, dasavlur,<br />
Seuqcevad gzaze davdgeT.<br />
_ axalgazrdebze saubrisas<br />
maT xSirad moixsenieben 13 ivni-<br />
sis Taobis saxeliT, gavixsenoT 13<br />
ivnisi, 20 ivnisis Rame, Cvenma Taobam<br />
saTanado samoqalaqo pasux-<br />
ismgebloba gamoavlina, Cven vnax-<br />
eT axalgazrdebis gulwrfeli<br />
protesti. rogor fiqrobT, ram-<br />
denad aqvs Cvens Taobas imis res-<br />
ursi, rom qveyana swori mimarTu-<br />
lebiT waviyvanoT?<br />
_ saintereso kiTxvaa. Cven varT<br />
is Taoba, romelic sabWoTa kav-<br />
Siris nangrevebze Rrmad konservatorul<br />
sazogadoebaSi gavizardeT<br />
_ maSin, rodesac qarTuli<br />
saxelmwifo, faqtobrivad, CamoSlili<br />
iyo. Cven vizrdebodiT iseT<br />
sazogadoebaSi, sadac Cveni misamarTiT<br />
ambobdnen, rom Turme patriotizmi,<br />
ganaTleba gvaklda, Turme<br />
ar gvqonda is muxti da emocia,<br />
rac qveynis asaSeneblad iyo saWiro.<br />
xSirad gvsmenia Cveni mSoblebisa<br />
da maTi mSoblebis mxridan<br />
Cveni misamarTiT: „ra Taoba modis”.<br />
gvesmoda msgavsi frazebi da 13<br />
ivnisamde frTxilad, moTminebiT<br />
mivediT. 13 ivnisi ki iyo erTgvari<br />
TviTprezentacia im Taobisa, romelsac<br />
Zalian bevri weli akritikebda<br />
ufrosi Taoba, romelmac<br />
Zalian bevr dapirispirebaSi amyofa<br />
qveyana, maT Soris, samoqalaqo<br />
omSi. 13 ivnisis Taoba ki aris feradi,<br />
Tavisufali Taoba, romelic<br />
uTqmelad, Cumad, yvelanairi<br />
yvirilis gareSe gamovida da saqme<br />
gaakeTa. swored, am dros gaCnda<br />
imedis naperwkali, rom SeiZleba<br />
Tavisufal saqarTveloSi dabadebulma<br />
Taobam qveyanas raRac sasargeblo<br />
gaukeTos. 13 ivnisis Semdeg<br />
ki Cveni Taobis mimarT sayve-<br />
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imedi, rom ar varT marto da<br />
erTmaneTis TanadgomiT SeiZleba<br />
es qveyana samSvidobos gaviyvanoT.<br />
13 ivnisis Semdeg, roca qveyanas<br />
rTuli periodebi hqonda, magali-<br />
Tad, gavrilovis viziti, razedac<br />
gadioda saxelmwifos Rirsebis sakiTxi,<br />
es axalgazrdebi yovelTvis<br />
idgnen qveynis Rirsebis sadarajoze.<br />
es aris nela, magram mizanmimarTulad<br />
moZravi energia, romelic<br />
erT mSvenier dRes Tavis Seuqcevad,<br />
mdgradi ganviTarebis kalapotSi<br />
Cadgeba da Cvens qveyanas absoluturad<br />
yvela sferoSi moedebian<br />
13 ivnisis Taobis axalgazrdebi,<br />
romlebic erToblivad SeZleben<br />
qveynis ganviTarebis swor kalapotSi<br />
Cayenebas. im metastazebis<br />
gadineba da alagmva, rac sabWoTa<br />
kavSiris dangrevis Semdeg darCa<br />
da yvela sferoSi vxvdebiT, swored,<br />
„13 ivnisis Taobas” SeuZlia.<br />
Cems megobrebTan erTad videqi 13<br />
ivniss da 20 ivnissac, me minda Cemi<br />
Tanatolebis mimarT Tqveni gaze-<br />
Tis saSualebiT didi pativiscema<br />
gamovxato da Tanadgoma gamovucxado<br />
maT. aseTi kiTxva ismis xSirad:<br />
„gveSveleba rame?!” ukve gveSvela,<br />
amaSi 13 ivnissac da gavrilovis<br />
Ramesac davrwmundi. ubralod,<br />
yvelafers dro unda, rom „aRsruldes<br />
neba qarTvelTa” da qveyana<br />
ganviTarebis Seuqcevad gzas<br />
Seudges. Cvens Taobas saSualeba<br />
aqvs, dasavleTSi miiRos ganaTleba,<br />
Cvens dros Semovida interneti,<br />
Cven viciT Tavisuflebisa da<br />
im Rirebulebebis fasi, razedac<br />
dgas yvelaze warmatebuli qveynebi,<br />
saiTac viyurebiT. Cven maRali<br />
moTxovnebi da maRali Tamasa gvaqvs,<br />
dRevandeli politikuri elita<br />
ki araTu ver akmayofilebs qveyanaSi<br />
arsebul gamowvevebs, aramed<br />
Zalian CamorCeba kidec. Cemi azriT,<br />
Cvenma Taobam Zalian gauswro<br />
qveyanaSi Seqmnil dRis wesrigs da<br />
amitom aris sruli disonansi Taobebs<br />
Soris. Tumca sruli mzaoba<br />
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axali saxeebis gamoCena? cxadia,<br />
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maT simbolurad politikuri makiaJi<br />
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momavalSi fsoni unda daidos.<br />
axalgazrdas pijaks rom CavacmevT<br />
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davumatebT, es ar aris axali saxe,<br />
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axal gamocdilebasa da Rirebulebebs<br />
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usufaSvili „saias”, an xazaraZe<br />
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Cvenc Cvens organizaciebs da<br />
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aqvs momaval Taobas?<br />
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axalgazrdebisTvis 20-mde saganmanaTleblo<br />
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sruli pasuxismgeblobiT vacxadeb,<br />
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qveynis Taroze Semodebul<br />
SesaZleblobas.<br />
_ axseneT aseTi fraza: „Tu<br />
rame maZlebinebs am qveyanaSio”, _<br />
axalgazrdebis didi nawili qvey-<br />
nidan garbis, ramdenad sagangaSo<br />
ggoniaT es problema? aseve aris<br />
mosazreba, rom „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” dros axalgazrdebi<br />
ufro xedavdnen persperqtivas<br />
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am pozicias?<br />
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qveyanas arc draivi aqvs da arc mizani.<br />
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yovelTvis vambob, rom saakaSvilis<br />
xelisuflebam bevri ramiT<br />
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sajaro politikaSi mizani mainc<br />
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sadme mirbian, aramed erT adgilze<br />
dganan da mindorSi xan marjvniv,<br />
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sxva mimarTuleba?<br />
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ufro gabrazebuli an uxasia-<br />
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xatvaa. sul procesSi var<br />
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iqneba.<br />
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var moqceuli da arc aravis<br />
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galereaSi mivedi, vaCvene<br />
namuSevrebi da Zalian moewonaT.<br />
ori gamofena CaminiSnes<br />
da maleve Cemi personaluri gamofena<br />
Sedga. ramdenime naxati<br />
gaiyida kidec da yvelaferma<br />
warmatebiT Caiara. rac mTavaria,<br />
damTvalierebeli Zalian<br />
kmayofili iyo. axla, 19 oqtombers,<br />
londonSi maqvs gamofena.<br />
_ vin migiwviaT?<br />
_ ingliseli dijeia, romelic,<br />
sxvaTa Soris, „jem festzec”<br />
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gamofenis gakeTeba SemomTavaza,<br />
rac Zalian gamixarda. 15 naxati<br />
ukve gavgzavne. rac ufro<br />
bevrs vmuSaob, vxvdebi, rom<br />
Sroma gifasdeba.<br />
_ mxatvris Sroma saqarT-<br />
veloSi dafasebulia?<br />
_ rac ufro mets iSromeb, ar<br />
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yelsaxvevi gavikeTo, tilosTan<br />
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gaiyideba, egre ar var. xatvas,<br />
rogorc bizness, ise vuyureb.<br />
_ kargad yidiT sakuTar<br />
Tavs?<br />
_ ase gamodis. nebismier<br />
saqmeSi jer unda iyo adamiani<br />
da mere Seni saqme. garda amisa,<br />
kargad unda SefuTo is, rasac<br />
akeTeb. mxatvrobis garda fotografiac<br />
mitacebs da am<br />
kuTxiTac vmuSaob, aseve saxlis<br />
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fuli Semova, imas mxatvrobas<br />
vaxmar, mxatvrobidan Semosul<br />
fuls fotografias vaxmar da<br />
a. S. roca mizans daisaxav, aucileblad<br />
miaRwev. arasodes Camiqnevia<br />
xeli.<br />
_ ra aris Tqveni mTavari mizani,<br />
ris miRwevasac cdi-<br />
lobT?<br />
`Cemi megobari berlinSi cxovrobs da erT<br />
mSvenier dRes masTan Cavedi, Cemi naxatebi Tan<br />
waviRe, erT-erT sagamofeno galereaSi mivedi,<br />
vaCvene namuSevrebi da Zalian moewonaT. ori<br />
gamofena CaminiSnes da maleve Cemi<br />
personaluri gamofena Sedga. ramdenime<br />
naxati gaiyida kidec da yvelaferma<br />
warmatebiT Caiara~<br />
gamovuSveb. amis ambiciebic<br />
maqvs.<br />
_ saqarTveloSi person-<br />
aluri gamofenis gakeTebas ar<br />
apirebT?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, vapireb. yazbegSi<br />
minda, rom gavakeTo es gamofena,<br />
_ iq, sadac mTliani restorani<br />
Cemi moxatulia. msiamovnebs,<br />
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modian yazbegSi, moswonT<br />
da akvirdebian Cems namuSevrebs,<br />
moxatul kedlebs...<br />
_ dabolos, rogoria Tqveni<br />
TvaliT danaxuli dRevandeli<br />
saqarTvelo, rogor daxata-<br />
vdiT da ra ferebSi?<br />
_ bevr ferSi myavs danaxuli<br />
saqarTvelo. TiTqos ra procesebic<br />
dRes xdeba, miaCnia, rom<br />
unda gamoiaros es periodi da<br />
male im kalapotSi Cadges, rogorc<br />
sxva evropuli qveynebi.<br />
Wrel ferebSi vxedav saqarTvelos,<br />
sxvadasxva feria, yovel<br />
wels meti feri emateba.<br />
_ cnobili mxatvar-dizaineri<br />
unda gavxde, radgan rac<br />
ufro cnobadi xar, ufro gayidvadic<br />
xdebi. ar gamovricxav<br />
tansacmlis dizainerobasac.<br />
rasac davxatav, imas Sevqmni da<br />
`roca boroti kacis daxatva minda,<br />
lamazi qalis saxe gamomdis~<br />
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ebiT man mayurebels rogorc sce-<br />
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lis daqalebi” daamaxsovra Tavi.<br />
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atridan wamosvlis mizezebze,<br />
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bolomde CaverTe axal samsaxur-<br />
Si, telekompania „iberiaSi”, sadac<br />
bednieri oTxi weli gavatare.<br />
_ telekompania „iberiaSi” ras<br />
akeTebdiT?<br />
_ Zalian bevr rames. am samsaxurs<br />
samoTxe Sevarqvi, radgan iq<br />
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da dokumentur filmebs, multfilmebs,<br />
reklamebsa da viyavi „iberiis”<br />
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var umuSevari, vdiasaxlisob, vzrdi<br />
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magram rodesac amdeni weli erTi<br />
dRiTac ar mqonia samsaxurebrivi<br />
Cavardna, axla Zalian miWirs umoqmedod<br />
yofna. mudmivad vmuSaobdi,<br />
paralelurad ramdenime TeatrSi<br />
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saxelmwifo dramatuli Teatri,<br />
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dRis centrebSi, mimyavda<br />
koncertebi, aeroportSic vimuSave<br />
da gulwrfelad getyviT, rom<br />
axla Zalian miWirs ase yofna. imeds<br />
ar vkargav, rom male, RvTis<br />
wyalobiT, gamoCndeba samsaxuri,<br />
romelsac xels movkideb, radgan<br />
ver warmomidgenia sakuTari Tavi<br />
mxolod saxlSi. aucileblad unda<br />
davixarjo, viSromo da aqtiurad<br />
vicxovro. nikolozs seqtembridan<br />
baRSi gavuSveb da vgegmav, rom isev<br />
soxumis TeatrSi davbrunde, iq, sadac<br />
11 weli gavatare.<br />
_ ratom wamoxvediT soxumis<br />
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_ yvelafers gulwrfelad<br />
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70 lari iyo. mogexsenebaT,<br />
es devnili Teatri iyo, maSin meti<br />
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wlebis mere xelfasi nel-nela<br />
gamezarda da mqonda 80 lari, 100<br />
da 115 lari. bolos, roca Teatridan<br />
wamovedi, 219 lari mqonda<br />
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wamosvlaze arc vfiqrobdi, magram<br />
zustad im periodSi mamam samsaxuri<br />
dakarga, mTliani ojaxis patronoba<br />
da rCena Cems Tavze aviRe.<br />
am yvelafers ar SevuSinebivar, radgan<br />
Zalian mebrZoli adamiani var.<br />
daviwye fiqri, Tu sad memuSava da<br />
ojaxis sarCeni fuli sad meSova.<br />
Cemma megobarma rekomendacia gamiwia<br />
da sruliad moulodnelad<br />
aeroportSi movxvdi.<br />
_ aeroportSi ras akeTebdiT?<br />
_ pirvelad stafi viyavi mofrenis<br />
darbazSi da informacias<br />
gavcemdi ucxoelebze. Semdeg es<br />
samsaxuri maleve daixura. situacias<br />
gadavxede da aeroportSi darCena<br />
gadavwyvite, magram policiis<br />
akademiis damTavreba momiwia.<br />
ase martivad saaviacio uSiSroeba-<br />
Si veravin moxvdeba, Tu man raRac<br />
etapebi ar gaiara. me policielis<br />
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srolaSi, viswavle iaraRis<br />
daSla-awyoba, Cavabare gamocda sisxlis<br />
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warmatebiT davasrule. am yvelafris<br />
Semdeg Sinagan saqmeTa saministros<br />
organos TanamSromeli<br />
gavxdi, Cavicvi policiis forma da<br />
davdeqi saqarTvelos sazRvarze _<br />
8 weli vaTenebdi Rameebs da vemsaxurebodi<br />
saqarTvelos.<br />
_ Zalian kargia, roca adamiani<br />
saqarTvelos emsaxureba, magram<br />
aq aris meore sakiTxi: Tqven xarT<br />
msaxiobi, radikalurad gansxvave-<br />
bul sferoSi moRvaweobdiT. ar<br />
gagiWirdaT policiis ampluaSi<br />
yofna?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, gamiWirda. yvelaze<br />
metad maSin miWirda, rodesac<br />
vxedavdi, Tu rogor mifrinavdnen<br />
Cemi kolegebi sxvadasxva qveyanaSi<br />
gastrolebze. es mtkivneuli iyo,<br />
radgan me iq videqi da ara _ scenaze.<br />
yvela msaxiobi, romelic aeroportSi<br />
mxvdeboda da policiis<br />
formaSi mxedavda, mekiTxeboda,<br />
romel filmSi giRebeno, egonaT,<br />
rom gadaRebisTvis mecva forma da<br />
policiis rols vTamaSobdi. Zalian<br />
mindoda, rom sadme meTamaSa da<br />
uceb „Cemi colis daqalebSi” rolze<br />
damamtkices, romelic ori sezoni<br />
gagrZelda. sakmaod aqtualuri<br />
aRmoCnda Cemi personaJi, romelic<br />
iyo Sinabera, gauTxovari<br />
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personaJi ukve didi xania, rac<br />
ekraze aRar Cans da dResac uamravi<br />
adamiani mcnobs, mefereba, fotoebs<br />
iRebs CemTan, rac Zalian<br />
sasiamovnoa. zogadad Zalian pozitiuri<br />
adamiani var, cxovrebas<br />
gvanca giorgobiani: `Zalian<br />
minda Cems sayvarel soxumis<br />
TeatrSi dabruneba~<br />
`damijereT, rom saqarTveloSi yvela msaxiobi<br />
SemoqmedebiTad mSieria, Tundac is adamianebi,<br />
romlebic TeatrSi arian, radgan imaT<br />
swyuriaT qarTuli filmis aRorZineba,<br />
swyuriaT, rom maTi saxe darCes qarTul<br />
kinoSi, rom raRac Rirebuli iTamaSon~<br />
yovelTvis imedis TvaliT vuyureb<br />
da zustad vici, rom jer araferi<br />
dasrulebula. kidev uamravi ram<br />
maqvs gasakeTebeli.<br />
_ „Cemi colis daqalebidan”<br />
isev rom miiRoT SemoTavazeba,<br />
dasTanxmdebodiT?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, amas SekiTxvac<br />
ar unda. damijereT, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
yvela msaxiobi Semoqmedebi-<br />
Tad mSieria, Tundac is adamianebi,<br />
romlebic TeatrSi arian, radgan<br />
imaT swyuriaT qarTuli filmis<br />
aRorZineba, swyuriaT, rom maTi<br />
saxe darCes qarTul kinoSi, rom<br />
raRac Rirebuli iTamaSon. Cveni<br />
didi bumberazi msaxiobebic xom<br />
filmebidan daamaxsovrda Taobebs,<br />
radgan kadri rCeba. Sedevrebi<br />
aqvT Cvens reJisorebs gadaRebuli,<br />
romelic ar Camouvardeba msoflio<br />
kinematografias. samwuxarod,<br />
dRes aravis aRelvebs qarTuli<br />
filmis dafinanseba, aravis unda<br />
misi aRorZineba da gacocxleba.<br />
qarTuli kino ukve wlebia, mkvdaria.<br />
CemTvis udidesi bednierebaa,<br />
roca Cvens reJisorebs vxedav<br />
Tu rogor akeTeben, iReben aqa-iq<br />
filmebs, akaveben msaxiobebs da<br />
aRweven Zalian did warmatebas.<br />
zaza uruSaZe da sxva uamravi re-<br />
Jisori gvyavs, romelTac ufulobis<br />
gamo xel-fexi aqvT Sekruli da<br />
verafers akeTeben.<br />
_ gvanca, soxumis TeatrSi dab-<br />
runebas gegmavT?<br />
_ Zalian minda, rom Cems sayvarel<br />
TeatrSi davbrunde, Tumca,<br />
am etapze, ar vici, ra rogor gamova.<br />
yvelgan Statis problemaa,<br />
Tumca Zalian minda.<br />
_ yvelam kargad viciT, Tu<br />
rogori dafinanseba iyo Teatreb-<br />
Si wlebis winaT da amaze Tqvenc<br />
isaubreT, magram ra xdeba dRes,<br />
ramdenad gaumjobesda anazRau-<br />
rebis mxriv situacia?<br />
_ sul odnav ki gaumjobesda<br />
xelfasebi, magram lari dRes isea<br />
gaufasurebuli, rom dRevandeli<br />
400 lari maSindel 200 lars<br />
udris. azri miTxariT? rTulia,<br />
rodesac yvelafers cecxlis fasi<br />
adevs, gadasaxadebi izrdeba da xelfasebi<br />
_ ara.<br />
_ gvanca, Tqven urTulesi periodi<br />
gamoiareT soxumis Teatr-<br />
Tan erTad, aseve xarT afx-<br />
azeTidan devnili, kerZod ki,<br />
kurort kindRidan.<br />
_ maxsendeba erTi periodi,<br />
rodesac msaxiobebis damatebiTi<br />
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gulubryvilod megona, rom orador<br />
devnil Teatrs (soxumisa da<br />
samaCablos Teatrebi), romelmac<br />
dakarga sakuTari Senoba, mixedavdnen.<br />
Cven 25 welia, rac rusebma<br />
gamogvyares da teritoria wagvar-<br />
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romlebic yvela adgilobrivi<br />
iyo da kargad iciT, vinc<br />
afinansebda maT, Cven ki aravis ga-<br />
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rolze xels ar movawer~<br />
vaxsendiT da aravis vWirdebodiT.<br />
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msaxiobebisgan gansxvavebiT,<br />
arc erT mecenats ar gavxsenebivarT<br />
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ar sWirdebodaT da is, rom Cven<br />
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is cnobadi saxeebi ki awyobdaT,<br />
radgan icodnen, rom, adre<br />
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romelmac Segvifara da speqtaklebs<br />
vTamaSobdiT. 25 wlis<br />
manZilze ar darCenila scena, sadac<br />
soxumis Teatris msaxiobebs<br />
ar gviTamaSia, magram marTla guliT<br />
megona, rom vinme patara ku-<br />
Txes gamoyofda. Statebi ganaxevrda<br />
da TeatrSi TiTze CamosaTvleli<br />
xalxi darCa.<br />
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„Cemi colis daqalebma” popu-<br />
laroba mogitanaT, magram Tqven<br />
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rusTavelis sardafSi iTamaSeT<br />
speqtaklSi „seqsualuri revolucia”<br />
da me maxsovs, rom am pre-<br />
mieridan meore dRes speqtaklis<br />
ganxilva iyo. Tqvenze iwereboda<br />
presaSi, gakeTda satelevizio si-<br />
uJetebi, toqSouebSi giwvevdnen<br />
da Tavisuflad SemiZlia vTqva,<br />
rom Zalian didi popularoba jer<br />
`yvelaze metad maSin miWirda, rodesac vxedavdi, Tu rogor mifrinavdnen<br />
Cemi kolegebi sxvadasxva qveyanaSi gastrolebze. es mtkivneuli iyo, radgan me<br />
iq videqi da ara - scenaze. yvela msaxiobi, romelic aeroportSi mxvdeboda<br />
da policiis formaSi mxedavda, mekiTxeboda, romel filmSi giRebeno,<br />
egonaT, rom gadaRebisTvis mecva forma da policiis rols vTamaSobdi~<br />
kidev maSin moipoveT. rogor fiqrobT,<br />
ratom gamoiwvia am speqtak-<br />
lma aseTi didi rezonansi?<br />
_ daviwyoT iqidan, rom Cven<br />
vcxovrobT saqarTveloSi da msgavs<br />
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xmamaRla saubari, rcxvenodaT.<br />
TviTon es Janri verbatini,<br />
axali dabadebuli iyo da saqar-<br />
TveloSi pirvelad reJisorma nino<br />
basiliam dadga. Cven xmamaRla daviwyeT<br />
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da zogadad seqsualur problemebze.<br />
ra Tqma unda, sakmaod<br />
xmauriani speqtakli gamovida. msgavsi<br />
speqtakli inglisSi gakeTda.<br />
nino basiliam saxelic Tamami daarqva<br />
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amisa, gamocdili msaxiobebi Segvkriba.<br />
uniWieresi adamianebis<br />
gverdiT miwevda TamaSi nino xomasuriZesTan,<br />
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presa, televizia da<br />
speqtakli Sedga.<br />
_ maxsovs, reJisorma Tqvenze<br />
gariska, radgan im periodSi, ro-<br />
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dRes ase araa. profesionali msaxiobi<br />
Tu xar, yvelafers lamazad<br />
SefuTav, iTamaSeb da kargi sayurebelia,<br />
magram axla bevr rameze<br />
vityvi uars imitom, rom ojaxis<br />
qali, deda, meuRle var da yvelaferze<br />
da yvela rolze xels ar<br />
movawer.<br />
_ aqamde yvelaferze xels<br />
awerdiT?<br />
_ aqamde, roca gasaTxovari<br />
viyavi, TviTon vwyvetdi, Tu romel<br />
rolze unda meTqva uari da romelze<br />
_ ara. axla mainc sxvanairad<br />
vuyureb am sakiTxs da is, rac ar<br />
Segefereba, namdvilad ar unda<br />
gaakeTo.<br />
_ Tamami rolebi gaqvT mxed-<br />
velobaSi?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda. iseT rolebs<br />
vgulisxmob, rac meuRles ar mowoneba.<br />
am gadasaxedidan getyviT,<br />
rom gaTxovili gvanca yvela<br />
rolze xels ar moawers da ar<br />
iTamaSebs.<br />
_ gvanca, Tven xarT afxazeT-<br />
idan devnili. dakargeT saxl-kari<br />
da rogorc Tqven aRniSneT, 25<br />
welia, rac rusebma gamogyares<br />
sakuTari miwidan. rogor Seaf-<br />
asebdiT im movlenebs, rac xdeba<br />
saqarTveloSi, vgulisxmob, „ga-<br />
vrilovis sisxlian Rames” da<br />
dRemde mimdinare procesebs?<br />
_ es aris katastrofa. savse<br />
viyavi im imediT, rom Zalian male<br />
davibrunebdiT afxazeTs, magram<br />
bolo movlenebma es imedi saer-<br />
Tod damikarga. Zalian ganvicdi im<br />
yvelafers, rac dRes xdeba saqarTveloSi.<br />
guli mtkiva, rom Cems<br />
qveyanaSi ar dalagda situacia da<br />
amas vuyureb mas Semdeg, rac saqarTvelos<br />
damoukidebloba gamocxadda.<br />
qveyanas ar eRirsa dalageba<br />
da dawynareba. mcocavi okupacia<br />
grZeldeba da yoveldRe vkargavT<br />
teritoriebs, ruseTi okupantia!<br />
_ molodini ra gqondaT?<br />
_ ratomRac megona, rom yvelaferi<br />
ukeTesobisken wavidoda,<br />
samuSao adgilebi gamoCndeboda,<br />
magram ras vxedavT? _ adamianebi<br />
yoveldRe kargaven samsaxurs da<br />
toveben qveyanas, rom SimSiliT ar<br />
daixocon. Tu yvela qarTveli<br />
gavida qveynidan, vis darCeba Cveni<br />
samSoblo? _ ra Tqma unda, mters.<br />
es sakiTxic Zalian mawuxebs. erTaderTi<br />
RmerTis imedi maqvs, rom<br />
saswauls moaxdens.<br />
ratom arRvevs sapatriarqo karTagenis 33-e<br />
kanons da vin gaxdeba quTaTel-gaenaTeli?<br />
12-e gverdidan<br />
axla aq viRac mkiTxavs, _ ki magram, sad<br />
naxe karTagenis 33-e kanonis darRvevao?<br />
sad, batonebo da, rodesac wlebis manZilze<br />
ar xdeba am qonebis aRricxva, sistematizacia,<br />
visac, rogor moundeba, ise SeuZlia es<br />
yvelaferi gaaCuqos sxva pirebze (minimum<br />
ocamde faqti mainc vici samkaulebis sxvadasxva<br />
konkretul personebze Cuqebisa) da<br />
roca arsebobs safrTxe _ precedentebi sapatriarqoSi<br />
qurdobis faqtebis, swored es<br />
aris uwesoba da kanonis darRveva.<br />
amitom dabejiTebiT moviTxov, dauyovnebliv<br />
daiwyos am qonebisa da ara mxolod<br />
am qonebis, aRricxva-sistematizaciis<br />
procedurebi. maqvs me amis moTxovnis<br />
ufleba? maqvs da ratom, roca uars ityvian,<br />
amas maSin ganvmartav.<br />
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axla meore Temaze gadavideT: quTaTelgaenaTel<br />
kalistrates (margalitaSvili)<br />
gardacvalebisa da saepiskoposo taxtis<br />
daqvrivebisTanave misi Semcvlelis gamosarCevad<br />
sapatriarqoSi didi intrigebi daiwyo:<br />
imTaviTve gaJRerda rusTaveli episkoposis,<br />
meufe ioanes saxeli, Tumca sapatriarqos<br />
samdivnom mas upovari da uqoneli<br />
uwoda _ anu misgan raime saxis soliduri<br />
gamorCenis miReba SeuZleblad iqna miCneuli<br />
da kandidaturis ganxilva arc ki gagr-<br />
Zelda(!!!). amJamad sapatriarqos kuluareb-<br />
Si mimdinareobs brZola sami kandidatidan<br />
erT-erTis gasamarjveblad. es kandidatebi<br />
arian: meufe antoni, meufe saba (gigiberia)<br />
da meufe geramisime.<br />
rogorc aRmoCnda, sinodis sxdomis gadadebis<br />
erT-erTi mizezi, romelic ivlisis<br />
pirvel dekadaSi unda gamarTuliyo, es faqtic<br />
gaxda, _ barem kandidaturac SevarCioTo,<br />
_ ubrZanebia matriarqs. Tan sxdomis<br />
Catarebas isedac aWianurebdnen ori mizeziT<br />
_ meufe petres gamo, romelsac mudam<br />
disonansi Seaqvs davarcxnil da winaswar<br />
dRiswesrig gauxmaurebel (es marTva-gamgeobis<br />
debulebis darRvevaa) sxdomaSi da<br />
imis gamoc, rom amiT ukrainis avtokefaliis<br />
sakiTxze msjelobac gadaideboda. Tan<br />
isic cnobilia, rom ukve ruseTma sapatriarqo<br />
taxtze meore kandidaturac SearCia,<br />
romelmac, rogorc amboben, moskovs piroba<br />
misca, rom ukrainis avtokefalias 9<br />
mRvdelmTavari uWers mxolod mxars da<br />
sakiTxi Cavardebao.<br />
mokled, axla sapatriaqoSi didi misvlamosvla,<br />
kompromatebis friali, talaxis<br />
srola da oqro-vercxlis Cxrialis xma ismis.<br />
quTaTel-gaenaTis eparqia xom erTerTi<br />
yvelaze SeZlebuli, episkoposi ki<br />
gavleniani figuraa saqarTvelos marTlmadidebel<br />
eklesiaSi. amitom am taxtisTvis<br />
brZola sulac ar aris rigiTi eparqiisTvis<br />
brZola qarTveli RvTismsaxurebisTvis da,<br />
ra Tqma unda, es metad mniSvnelovani sakiTxia<br />
saqarTvelos sapatriarqosTvis<br />
konkretuli _ gadawyvetilebis mimRebi _<br />
pirebisTvis, Tundac wilebis, ZRvenebis,<br />
saCuqrebis konteqstSi.<br />
rogorc amboben, momaval episkoposTan<br />
dakavSirebiT sapatriarqoSi mosazrebebi<br />
gayofilia. ar davkonkretdebi, vin vis uWers<br />
mxars, magram rogorc sapatriarqos kuluarebSi<br />
amboben, _ Sorena mixvda, rom mosaydre<br />
sulac ar yofila iseTi baiyuSi,<br />
rogorc mas egona.<br />
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dabolos, ra SuaSia es ori Tema erTmaneTTan?<br />
gana, am kiTxvis dasma relevanturia<br />
im adamianebisgan, romlebic TvalnaTliv<br />
xedaven Cveni samRvdeloebis umetesobis<br />
oqrosmoyvarulobas?<br />
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oqros<br />
zagrebi<br />
wina kviraSi qarTvelma Ziudoistebma<br />
zagrebis gran-pri moiares da<br />
Tu pirveli ori dRis ganmavlobaSi<br />
Tavs vimSvidebdiT, mesame triumfaluri<br />
da gunduri pirveli adgilis<br />
momtani aRmoCnda.<br />
gansakuTrebiT emociuri iyo gela<br />
zaaliSvilis gamarjveba, romelmac<br />
finalSi iaponeli hisaioSi harasava<br />
saocari iponiT daamarcxa. mZime wona-<br />
Sive brinjao moipova levan matiaSvilma,<br />
vinac erTaderTi Secdoma<br />
meoTxedfinalSi imave harasavasTan<br />
dauSva.<br />
kvarcxlbekis umaRles safexurze<br />
avida beqa RviniaSvilic, romelic, Tu<br />
formaSia, nebismieris daiponeba Seu-<br />
Zlia. mis gzazec iaponeli metoqe<br />
idga, magram beqa Seudarebeli iyo.<br />
sanSiro muraom qarTuli iponi igema.<br />
erTma Secdomam mesame adgils daajera<br />
tato grigalaSvili, romelic<br />
bolo periodSi Zalian stabiluria.<br />
sasiamovno moulodneloba iyo<br />
eTer lipartelianis brinjao, romelsac<br />
naxevarfinalSi iaponel metoqesTan<br />
daucda fexi.<br />
saboloo jamSi, saqarTvelom gunduri<br />
pirveli adgili daikava da Cvenma<br />
sportsmenebma piradi reitingic<br />
mniSvnelovnad gaiumjobeses.<br />
Cempionobas Sewiruli mkerdi<br />
amas winaT ruminelma simona halepma uimbldoni moigo. es misi meore gamarjveba<br />
gaxldaT didi slemis turnirebze. serena uiliamsma mas „patara<br />
eleqtrosadguri” uwoda. marTlac dauRalavi da vercxliswyaliviT moZravi<br />
simona ukve yvelas aocebs Tavisi TamaSiT.<br />
Tumca, albaT, bevrma ar icis, rom CogburTis gulisTvis man sxeulis<br />
nawili Seswira. pirdapiri gagebiT. adre, simonas erTob didroni mkerdi<br />
hqonia da es TamaSSi xels uSlida, amitom man, jer kidev, arasrulwlovanma,<br />
17 wlisam, mkerdis dapataraveba gadawyvita da qirurgiul Carevasac<br />
dasTanxmda.<br />
marTlac ucnauri ambavia. mTel msoflioSi qalbatonebi mkerdis gadidebas<br />
cdiloben, aman ki daipatarava.<br />
„es aris zedmeti wona, romelic Zalian mawuxebs, TamaSisas ki did diskomforts<br />
miqmnis. Tumca es mxolod karieris gamo ar gamikeTebia. sportsmenic<br />
rom ar vyofiliyavi, mainc imaves vizamdi”, _ ambobs halepi.<br />
misi mwvrTneli vim fisete ki amatebs: „maSin ar vicnobdi, Tumca fotoebi<br />
nanaxi mqonda. man miiRo es gadawyvetileba da kargadac moiqca. marTlac<br />
Tamami nabiji gaxldaT”.<br />
halepma operacia 2009 wels gaikeTa, erTi wliT adre ki iuniorTa rolan<br />
garosi moigo.<br />
qirurgiulma Carevam Sedegi gamoiRo, ramdenime weliwadSi is msoflios<br />
pirveli Cogani gaxda.<br />
didi slemis turnirSi pirvelad man SarSan gaimarjva rolan garosze<br />
(Tumca manamde am turniris finalSi orjer iyo), wleuls ki amas uimbldonis<br />
triumfic daumata.<br />
kari da<br />
beWedi<br />
oTx weliwadSi samjer gaCempionebis<br />
Semdeg „golden steiti”<br />
NBA-s superfinalSi dama-<br />
rcxda. „oqros Statelebs” mag-<br />
ari regularuli sezoni gam-<br />
ouvidaT, ai, damagvirgvinebel<br />
fazaSi ki movlenebi maT garSemo<br />
arc ise saxarbielod gan-<br />
viTarda.<br />
dasavleT konferenciis nax-<br />
evarfinalidan<br />
„meomrebma”<br />
gundis lideri kevin duranti<br />
dakarges. durantulam iseTi<br />
travma miiRo, axali sezonis<br />
gamotovebac mouwevs, axla ki<br />
isic gaoficialurda, rom par-<br />
ketze ukve „bruklin neTsis”<br />
maisuriT dabrundeba.<br />
mere iyo klei tompsonis<br />
travma da Cempionebi titulis<br />
mesamed dacvis saqmeSi stef<br />
karis brZolisunarianobisa da<br />
ostastobis imedad darCnen.<br />
oqros biWunam bevri iwvala da<br />
imdeni SeZlo, rom gundi mijriT<br />
mexuTed gaiyvana superfi-<br />
nalSi, sadac dageSil kavai<br />
leonardsa da pirveli titulis<br />
maZiebel „torontos” ve-<br />
Raraferi daaklo.<br />
axla gundma axali sezonis-<br />
Tvis mzadeba daiwyo. stef kari<br />
ambobs, titulis dabruneba<br />
gvsurs da amisTvis brZolasa<br />
da nadirobas viwyebTo.<br />
„gamudmebiT vismen, rom Cven<br />
titulis mogebis favoritebi<br />
aRar varT da es Zalianac momw-<br />
ons. mavanma isic Tqva, Cempion-<br />
ats veRarasdros moigebeno.<br />
Cven amis meti motivacia aRar<br />
gvWirdeba, gansakuTrebiT me.<br />
wina sezonSi Cempionebi viyav-<br />
iT, imis winaSic da yvela Cvens<br />
damarcxebaze nadirobda. axla<br />
rolebi Seicvala saCempiono<br />
beWdebze Cven vinadirebT”, _<br />
Tqva „golden steitis” varskv-<br />
lavma.<br />
nadali: SeiZleboda,<br />
mesis winaaRmdeg meTamaSa<br />
rafael nadalma espanel JurnalistebTan<br />
sakuTar bavSvobaze da im<br />
arCevanze isaubra, romelic CogburTis<br />
sasargeblod gaakeTa:<br />
„bavSvobidan miyvarda fexburTi.<br />
cudad namdvilad ar vTamaSobdi. vin<br />
icis, es gza rom gamegrZelebina, egeb,<br />
erT mSvenier dRes mesis winaaRmdegac<br />
meTamaSa. paralelurad CogburTze<br />
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davdiodi da garkveuli warmatebebic<br />
mqonda. arCevanis gakeTebis dro rom<br />
dadga, CogburTi vamjobine, radgan am<br />
sportSi mwvrTnelze an Tanagundelze<br />
ar xar damokidebuli da metoqesTan<br />
pirispir dgaxar”, _ Tqva rafa nadalma.<br />
SeZlebda Tu ara fexburTSi im donis<br />
miRwevas, rom mesis winaaRmdeg eTamaSa,<br />
aravin icis.<br />
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rusebs samxreTafrikelebi Secvlian<br />
saqarTvelos ragbis kavSirma<br />
operatiulad imoqmeda da uarze<br />
wasuli rusebi samxreTafrikelebiT<br />
Caanacvla.<br />
mogexsenebaT, rom ruseTis ragbis<br />
federaciam cota xnis win msoflio<br />
ragbis oficialur kalendarSi<br />
Sesuli test-matCi gaauqma,<br />
aqaoda, 27 agvistos borjRalosnebs<br />
im mizeziT ar veTamaSebiT, rom<br />
TbilisSi arastabiluri viTarebaa<br />
da Cveni moragbeebis usafrTxoebiT<br />
gariskvas ar vapirebTo. „da-<br />
Tvebis” am demarSma Cveni nakrebis<br />
samzadisi kinaRam aria, magram kav-<br />
Siris mesveurebma sparing-partniors<br />
maleve miagnes.<br />
„sauzern kingsi” port elizabeTSi<br />
bazirebuli samxreTafrikuli<br />
frenCaizia, romelic super<br />
ragbis turnirSi monawileobda,<br />
Tumca did warmatebebs ver miaRwia<br />
da ragbis regionulma organizaciam<br />
„samxreTeli mefeebi” aseve<br />
samxreTafrikul „CitasTan” er-<br />
Tad super ragbidan garicxa. orive<br />
klubma gines pro 12-s miaSura da<br />
Sidaevropuli turniri transkontinenturad<br />
aqcia. Tumca pro 14-<br />
Si „mefeebi” Sercxvnen, bolo adgili<br />
daikaves da axali sezonisTvis<br />
gaZlierebulad emzadebian. samxreTafrikeli<br />
gundis mesveurebi<br />
mixvdnen, rom irlandiur, uelsur,<br />
Sotlandiur da italiur klubebTan<br />
konkurencia aranakleb rTulia,<br />
vidre samxreTelebTan da axal<br />
sezonSi sul sxva doneze TamaSs<br />
apireben. amitomac iyo, rom<br />
qarTvelTa SeTavazebas daufiqreblad<br />
dasTanxmdnen.<br />
mokled, gadawyvetilia, rom 27<br />
agvistos mixeil mesxis saxelobis<br />
stadionze gaimarTeba test-matCi<br />
saqarTvelos nakrebsa da samxreT<br />
afrikis „sauzern kingss” Soris.<br />
SegaxsenebT: 31 agvistos „dinamo<br />
arenaze” istoriuli matCia. saqarTvelo<br />
Sotlandiis erovnul<br />
gunds umaspinZlebs da es iqneba<br />
tier 1-is wevri qveynis nakrebis<br />
pirveli stumroba Cvens qveyanaSi.<br />
momzadebis daskvniTi etpi 6 seqtembers,<br />
edinburgis „marifildze”,<br />
igive sqoTebTan.<br />
mwvervalze darCenili qarTveli<br />
erTi saqmea mwvervalis dapyroba<br />
da meore _ iq adgilis Se-<br />
narCuneba.<br />
vaRiaroT: naklebad gveimedeboda,<br />
rom nika basilaSvili ger-<br />
maniis Cempionis SarSan mopoveb-<br />
ul tituls daicavda. yvelaze<br />
didi barieri naxevarfinalSi ga-<br />
daeRoba _ germaneli aleqsandr<br />
zverevi, vinc turniris meore no-<br />
meri gaxldaT. nikam jer german-<br />
el russ daaSaliTebina Cogani,<br />
mere ki naRd rus andrei rublio-<br />
vs ayara igive dRe. saCogburTo<br />
analitikosebma aRfrTovanebuli<br />
statiebi uZRvnes qarTvel Cempi-<br />
ons.<br />
axla amerikuli sezoni iwyeba.<br />
basilaSvili monrealis master-<br />
siT iwyebs, sadac SarSan ar uTam-<br />
aSia da qulebic ar aqvs dasacavi.<br />
Sesabamisad, qarTvelis TiToeuli<br />
gamarjveba qulebsa da reit-<br />
ingSi aisaxeba.<br />
dabruneba warsulSi<br />
Tbilisis „dinamom” iseTi mogonebebi gagvicocxla, stadionze wausvleloba<br />
ar iqneba _ 38 wlis Semdeg roterdamis „feienoordi” isev Camova<br />
TbilisSi. bunebrivia, es ar aris Tasebis mflobelTa Tasis gaTamaSebis<br />
naxevarfinali da aRarc is varskvlavuri Semadgenloba gvyavs,<br />
magram axali istoria axalma varskvlavebma unda daweron. Tundac imave<br />
levan Sengeliam, vinc ori jado-goliT gaumaspinZlda azerebis „gabalas”.<br />
erTbaSad holandielebis beWze gakvras ver movTxovT, magram rom<br />
viomebT, namdvilad gveimedeba.<br />
ukan dasaxevi gza ar aqvs evropis ligaze gadabargebul „saburTalos”.<br />
alalad simpaTiuri gundi zagrebis „dinamos” ver moeria, magram<br />
qarTuli fexburTis staJiani qomagisTvis maTgan erevnis „araratis”<br />
Zlevas ra fasi aqvs, tribunebze gamoCndeba.<br />
madloba soso fruiZis „Cixuras”, saerTo qarTul yulabaSi misi wili<br />
qulebi rom Seitana da nu davZraxavT quTaisis „torpedos”, evroodiseas<br />
Tu ukiduresi finansuri problemebis miZalebisas ver gaarTves Tavi.<br />
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es ukve namdvili revoluciaa. aqamde qals<br />
mamakacTa Soris evroturnirebis matCi ar ganusjia<br />
da aha _ 14 agvistos stambolSi uefas<br />
superTasis matCs inglisur „liverpulsa” da<br />
„Celsis” Soris frangi stefani fraperi gansjis.<br />
35 wlis qalbatons uzarmazari gamocdileba<br />
aqvs da qali arbitrebis korpusSi lamis<br />
pierluiji kolinas avtoritetiT sargeblobs.<br />
marto is rad Rirs, rom swored madam stefani<br />
gauZRva qalTa msoflio Cempionatis amaswinandel<br />
finals aSS-isa da holandiis nakrebebs<br />
Soris.<br />
stefanis mamakacTa matCebis gansjaSic sakmao<br />
praqtika aqvs. safrangeTis mesame ligaSi<br />
2011 wlidan msajobs, oTxi wlis Semdeg meore<br />
ligamde daawinaures, wleuls ki elitur divizionSi<br />
„amieni”-„strasburis” da „nica”-„nantis”<br />
gaZRolac moaswro. eg ki arada, nicaSi gamarTul<br />
matCSi penalti damatebul wuTze daniSna.<br />
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1 sm 2 _ 3 lari;<br />
Sida gverdebi:<br />
1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;<br />
bolos wina gverdi:<br />
1sm 2 _2 lari;<br />
bolo gverdi:<br />
1sm 2 _ 3 lari,<br />
maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;<br />
mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _<br />
1000 sm 2;<br />
reklama CanarTis saxiT:<br />
A3 3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;<br />
A4 4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;<br />
mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)<br />
afiSa<br />
araswori wyvili<br />
kavea galeria<br />
17:15<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
14:05<br />
saTamaSoebis istoria 4<br />
amirani<br />
11:45<br />
kavea galeria<br />
15:00<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
11:45<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
12:15; 14:30<br />
spaidermeni:<br />
saxlidan Sors<br />
amirani<br />
17:00<br />
kavea galeria<br />
13:15; 16:15; 19:30<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
12:00; 14:15; 16:30<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
11:45; 13:00; 16:45; 19:30; 22:20<br />
1 aSS dolari<br />
2.8946<br />
1 evro<br />
3.2312<br />
1 girvanqa sterlingi<br />
3.5164<br />
1 Sveicaruli franki<br />
2.9722<br />
100 rusuli rubli<br />
4.4509<br />
amindi<br />
samSabaTi<br />
oTxSabaTi<br />
xuTSabaTi<br />
paraskevi<br />
SabaTi<br />
kvira<br />
orSabaTi<br />
Tbilisi<br />
26-29 0<br />
24-26 0<br />
27-30 0<br />
28-30 0<br />
32-33 0<br />
30-32 0<br />
29-30 0<br />
quTaisi<br />
24-26 0<br />
22-24 0<br />
29-31 0<br />
32-34 0<br />
29-31 0<br />
27-29 0<br />
26-29 0<br />
baTumi<br />
24-25 0<br />
23-25 0<br />
24-26 0<br />
25-26 0<br />
26-28 0<br />
25-26 0<br />
24-27 0<br />
zugdidi<br />
25-27 0<br />
26-27 0<br />
27-30 0<br />
29-31 0<br />
28-30 0<br />
27-29 0<br />
26-28 0<br />
gori<br />
23-24 0<br />
21-23 0<br />
24-26 0<br />
27-30 0<br />
29-32 0<br />
25-26 0<br />
24-26 0<br />
Telavi<br />
24-25 0<br />
25-26 0<br />
28-31 0<br />
30-33 0<br />
33-35 0<br />
31-33 0<br />
29-32 0<br />
foTi<br />
26-28 0<br />
27-29 0<br />
25-28 0<br />
26-28 0<br />
25-28 0<br />
26-28 0<br />
27-29 0<br />
40<br />
saredaqcio kolegia<br />
yvela ufleba daculia;<br />
`qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli<br />
masalebis nebismieri saxiT<br />
gamoyeneba da gavrceleba<br />
redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad<br />
akrZalulia!<br />
gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul<br />
masalebs aqvT sareklamo<br />
xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia<br />
SeiZleba ar daemTxves<br />
redaqciis Sexedulebas.<br />
mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)<br />
rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06<br />
SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50<br />
mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55<br />
injgia nene 591 71 39 98<br />
sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 90<br />
qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40<br />
vaSaymaZe xviCa 599 22 82 89<br />
laRaZe Sorena 557 56 23 66<br />
deviZe daviT<br />
stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;<br />
redaqciis misamarTi:<br />
Tbilisi, gudauris N3,<br />
pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;<br />
tel.: 294 69 77;<br />
sareklamo ganyofileba,<br />
gavrcelebis samsaxuri<br />
Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10<br />
gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~<br />
ISSN 2346-8025<br />
294 69 77;<br />
qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
40 N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.