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minda, gabrazdes~ 

gamodis samSabaTobiT N26 (287) 6.08 

08.201 

.2019 fasi 2 lari 

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sisxliani 

agvistos qronikebi 

gv. 22 

ratom arRvevs sapatriarqo karTagenis 33-e 

kanons da vin gaxdeba quTaTel-gaenaTeli? 

goCa jojua: 

`Tu ivaniSvili 

vinmes azrs 

iTvaliswinebs, 

es bokeriaa!~ 

08.08.08. 

afxazebisa da osebis 11 

weli kremlis Ceqmis qveS... 

gv. 4 

gv. 18 

gia nodia: 

gv. 2 

`20-ma ivnisma 

xelisuflebaSi 

SiSi warmoSva~ 

goCa barnovi: 

dimitri toraZe: 

gv. 8 

`safrTxe, rom 

okupanti 

pirdapir 

ganaxorcielebs 

momavali 

patriarqis 

`dadgenas~, 

seriozul 

problemad 

mimaCnia~ 

gv. 14 

gogi wulaia: 

`xelisuflebas 

realurad unda 

virCevdeT~ 

gv. 32 

gv. 6 

`ratom unda 

vixdideT Cveni 

resursebis 

patronebi did 

fuls, roca 

SegviZlia _ 

eqsportiori 

gavxdeT da 

ekonomikurad 

gavZlierdeT~ 

salome samadaSvili: 

ana rexviaSvili: 

fiqria CixraZe: 

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`biZina 

ivaniSvils 

reputacia 

sabolood 

gaucamtverda~ gv. 10 

N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w. 

`Tu irakli 

oqruaSvili 

damnaSavea, 

maSin mec 

damnaSave var!~ 

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ìvaniSvili 

gegmazomierad 

asufTavebs vels 

2020 wlis 

arCevnebisTvis~ 

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giorgi abaSiZe 


08.08.08. saqarTvelos uaxles istoriaSi erT-erTi yvelaze 

tragikuli da sisxliani epizodia. diax, es aris epizodi, romel- 

mac „erTmorwmune mezoblisa” da „ufrosi Zmis” miTi sabolood 

daamsxvria, Tumca, amis miuxedavad, iseTi qarTvelebi mainc moi- 

Zebnebian, romlebic irwmunebian, ginda Tu ara, ruseTs babaia 

unda davuZaxoT da okupantobis miuxedavad, masTan vasaluri 

molaparakebebic gavmarToTo. metic, agvistos omSi saqarTve- 

los _ arc meti, arc naklebi _ qveynis moqmedi prezidenti da 

umaRlesi mTavarsardali, salome zurabiSvilic adanaSaulebs. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, arsebuli informaciiT, haagis tribunalSi 

kremli sakuTari poziciebis gamagrebas swored zurabiSvilis 

mosazrebebiT Seecdeba, romelic am ukanasknelis mier, jer 

kidev, ramdenime wlis win daweril wignSia moyvanili. 

sisxliani 

ratom cdilobda an cdilobs 

zurabiSvili da masTan erTad kidev 

mcirericxovani jgufi, rom 

2008 wlis agvistos movlenebSi saqarTvelo 

daadanaSaulos? _ am 

Temaze bevrjer Tqmula da dawerila. 

albaT, kidev araerTxel iTqmeba 

da daiwereba da, Sesabamisad, 

is mosazrebac iqneba aqtualuri, 

rom sakuTari qveynis omis dawyebaSi 

dadanaSauleba, moRalateoba 

Tu ara, minimum, mtris wisqvilze 

wylis dasxmaa. 

ise, sainteresoa, roca pirsisxliani 

mteri Sens miwa-wyalze Sensave 

mosaxleobas Jlets, rogor 

unda moiqce _ xeli ar unda gaan- 

Zrio, Tu vardebi esrolo da fiandazad 

gaego? 

sxvaTa Soris, agvistos omidan 

11 wlis Semdeg qarTulma mxarem 

okupants fiandazi, am sityvis pirdapiri 

mniSvnelobiT, daugo, anu 

20 ivniss saqarTveloSi Camosul 

gavrilovs, rogorc protokolidan 

gaxda cnobili, saxelmwifo 

ceremonialebis sasaxleSi, anu 

prezidentis yofil rezidenciaSi, 

diax, fiandazebi gauSales. 

hoda, mere gaukvirdaT, xalxi 

quCaSi ratom gamovida da okupanti 

qvenis dumis deputatis saqar- 

TveloSi Camosvla ratom gaaprotestao?! 

zogadad, gavrilovis faqtori 

calke saubris Temaa, magram zustad 

imitom, rom okupanti qveynis 

politikuri vertikalis warmomadgenlebs 

Cvens samSobloSi parpaSis 

saSualeba aRarasodes mieceT, 

agvistos omis qronologias 

Tvali gadavavloT da kidev eTxel 

gavixsnoT, kremlma ra dReebi 

gamogvatara! 

11 wlis win rusul agresias 228 

mSvidobiani moqalaqe, 169 samxedro, 

14 policieli da 3 Jurnalisti 

emsxverpla, daiWra 1747 adamiani, 

davkargeT kodoris xeoba da 

Sida qarTlis aTeulobiT sofeli. 

aqedan gamomdinare, 150 000 adamiani 

iZulebuli gaxda, sakuTari 

saxl-kari daetovebina. aqedan, 30 

aTasi dResac devnilia... 

qronologia mowmobs, rom 

agvistos omi rusuli agresiis, ase 

vTqvaT, gvirgvini iyo, Torem yvelaferma 

gacilebiT adre, kerZod, 

2008 wlis dasawyisSi aiRo saTave, 

anu 2008 wlis ianvridan moyolebuli 

cxinvalisa da afxazeTis 

marionetuli reJimebi, raRa Tqma 

unda, moskovis davalebiTa da xelSewyobiT, 

viTarebis eskalacias 

periodulad cdilobdnen. 

ase, magaliTad, aprilis dasawyisSi 

nato-s buqarestis samitze, 

marTalia, map-i ar mogvces, magram 

erTmniSvnelovnad iTqva, saqarTvelo 

aliansis wevri aucileblad 

gaxdebao. 

aman kremls wonasworoba daakargvina. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, jer sergei 

lavrovi daimuqra, yvelafers 

gavakeTebT, rom saqarTvelo natos 

wevri ar gaxdeso, Semdeg ki, 

Tavad vladimir putini gamoCnda 

arenaze da sityva-sityviT ganacxada: 

„ruseTs, natos poziciis sapasuxod, 

saSinao monaxazebi aqvs!” 

es monaxazebi ki, rogorc mogvinebiT 

gamoCnda, is iyo, rom 31 maiss 

kremlma okupirebul afxazeT- 

Si, rkinigzis xazis aRdgenis motiviT, 

sarkinigzo jarebi Seiyvana. 

paralelurad, gamwvavda viTareba 

cxinvalis regionSi _ qarTuli 

soflebi TiTqmis yoveldRiurad 

ibombeboda. 

2008 wlis 30 ivlisi _ ruseTis 

sagareo saqmeTa saministro sagangebo 

gancxadebas avrcelebs, sadac 

naTqvamia, rom saqarTvelosa 

da e. w. samxreT oseTs Soris SeiaraRebuli 

dapirispirebis dawyebis 

safrTxe realuria. 

amasTan, omis dawyebamde, daaxloebiT, 

20 dRiT adre gavrcelda 

informacia, rom osurma mosaxleobam 

e. w. samxreT oseTis teritoria 

datova. 

media imasac iuwyeboda, rom 

cxinvalis regionis osuri mosaxleoba 

sakuTar sacxovrebel saxlebs 

ruseTidan gamogzavnili avtobusebiT 

tovebda. 

es ki imis pirdapiri miniSneba 

iyo, rom kremli farTomasStabiani 

saomari operaciisTvis emzadeboda. 

2008 wlis 3-4 agvisto _ cxinvalis 

de faqto mTavrobis mier 

kontrolirebadi teritoriidan 

qarTuli soflebi intensiurad 

ibombeba. 

aseve ibombeba fronis, didi da 

patara liaxvis xeobebi. 

amas garda, ramdenime teraqtic 

xdeba, kerZod, dimitri sanakoevisa 

da policiis avtomanqanebs afeTqeben. 

am erTTvianma daZabulobam 2008 

wlis 7 agvistos miaRwia kulminacias, 

rac imas niSnavs, rom osi separatistebis 

kontrolirebadi teritoriidan 

dawyebuli saartilerio 

srolis Sedegad ori qarTveli 

mSvidobisdamcveli iWreba. 

daWrili samxedroebi saqarTvelos 

prezidentma, mixeil saakaSvilma, 

goris samxedro hospital- 

Si moinaxula, mogvinebiT ki TbilisSi 

dabrunebulma sagangebo 

gancxadeba gaakeTa: 

„minda, sruli pasuxismgeblobiT 

vTqva da vaRiaro, rom ramdenime 

saaTis win gaveci Zalian mtkivneuli 

brZaneba, rogorc umaRlesma 

mTavarsardalma, rom arc erTma 

qarTulma SenaerTma ar gaxsnas 

sapasuxo cecxli Zalian intensiuri 

dabombvis SemTxvevaSic”. 

ise, gamoxdeba xani da saakaSvili 

aRiarebs, rom am pirobis dacva-Sesruleba 

ver SeZlo, anu konfliqtis 

zonaSi Seqmnilma viTarebam 

da sadazvervo informaciam 

cxadi gaxada, rom rokis gvirabidan 

ruseTis regularulma nawilebma 

Semosvla daiwyes. 

saerTo jamSi, 7 agvistos RamiT 

saqarTvelos teritoriaze, rokis 

gvirabis gavliT da fsous sazRvridan, 

20 aTasze meti rusi samxedro 

Semovida. 

imisTvis, rom daculi yofiliyo 

saqarTvelos suvereniteti da 

teritoriuli mTlianoba, aseve 

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis usafr- 

Txoeba, prezidentma TavdacviTi 

operaciis dawyebis Sesaxeb brZane- 

ityvis, rom 8 agvistos, Ramis 10 

saaTze, qarTulma mxarem cxinvalis 

dakaveba SeZlo: 

„am droisTvis Cven mTlianad 

vakontrolebT qalaq cxinvals. 

cxinvali mTlianad gawmendilia 

Zaladobrivi elementebisgan da 

bandformirebebisgan. 

qalaqi Zalian dazaralebulia 

ormxrivi cecxlis Sedegad iseve, 

rogorc dRevandeli dRis intensiuri 

dabombvis Sedegad ruseTis 

aviaciis mier”. 

2008 wlis 9 agvisto, dila _ 

ruseTs saaviacio ieriSi gorze 

miaqvs. ibombeba qalaqSi arsebuli 

satanko nawili da mis axlos mdebare 

sacxovrebeli saxlebi. dabobmva 

xdeba orjer, 15-wuTiani intervaliT. 

dasaxlebuli punqti brZolis 

wina xazs emsgavseba _ iqauroba 

savsea daxocilebiT da daWrilebiT. 

paralelurad, intensiuri br- 

Zola mimdinareobs cxinvalis misadgomebTan 

_ saqarTvelos armiis 

meore qveiTi brigadis sadazvervo 

jgufi ruseTis 58-e armiasTan sastik 

brZolaSi erTveba 

mere, dro rom gava, erT-erTi 

Jurnalisti am brZolas ase gaixsenebs: 

„es iyo sacecxle kontaqti 5, 10 

da 20 metris siaxloveSi. jariskacebi 

ibrZodnen xelCarTulni, 

danebis gamoyenebiT!” 

qarTuli artileriisa da tankistebis 

Tavdauzogavma brZolam 

ruseTis 58-e armia, samwuxarod, 

ver SeaCera. 

cxinvalis paralelurad, ruse- 

Tis CrdiloeT kavkasiis saarmio 

dajgufebis nawilebma Seteva afxra 

raportebs ugzavnida 2008 wlis 

agvistoSi aSS-is elCi TeTr 

saxls da ra weria `vikiliqsis~ 

masalebSi rusul okupaciaze? 

ba gasca. 

armias sapasuxo cecxliT unda 

CaexSo mowinaaRmdegis sacecxle 

wertilebi, ris Semdegac cxinval- 

Si qveiTi nawilebi Sevidodnen. 

8 agvistos, dilis 10 saaTze, 

Tbilisis meri, gigi ugulava, mTavrobis 

saxeliT gorSi sagangebo 

gancxadebas akeTebs: 

„iciT, rom am droisTvis cxinvalis, 

daaxloebiT, 70% _ vgulisxmob 

TviTon qalaqsa da mis Semogaren 

soflebs _ dakavebulia Cveni 

jarebis mier. Cveni mTavari amocanaa 

adgilobrivi mosaxleobis 

usafrTxoebis uzrunvelyofa”. 

ugulavas am gancxadebidan zustad 

2 saaTis Semdeg viTareba dramatulad 

icvleba, anu specialuri 

punqtisa da derefnis Seqmnis winadadebas 

ruseTma farTomasStabiani 

samxedro okupaciiT upasuxa 

da pirvel etapze saqmeSi samxedro 

aviacia CarTo, romelmac cxinvalis 

misadgomebTan qarTveli 

jariskacebis poziciebze masirebuli 

ieriSi miitana. 

qarTulma armiam didi danakargi 

ganicada, magram, amis miuxedavad, 

mixeil saakaSvili mogvianebiT 

`11 wlis win rusul agresias 228 mSvidobiani 

moqalaqe, 169 samxedro, 14 policieli da 3 

Jurnalisti emsxverpla, daiWra 1747 adamiani, 

davkargeT kodoris xeoba da Sida qarTlis 

aTeulobiT sofeli. aqedan gamomdinare, 150 000 

adamiani iZulebuli gaxda, sakuTari saxl-kari 

daetovebina. aqedan, 30 aTasi dResac devnilia...~ 

2 N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.


agvistos qronikebi 

azeTis mimarTulebiTac daiwyes _ 

mTlianad ikaveben foTi-zugdidisenakis 

mimarTulebas da cdiloben, 

kodoris xeobis dajgufebas, 

romelmac manamde strategiuli 

xeobidan manevriT ukan daxeva 

moaxerxa, zurgSi moeqcnen. 

2008 wlis 10 agvisto _ rusuli 

aviacia soflebis masobriv dabombvas 

iwyebs da, rogorc mogvianebiT 

gaxdeba cnobili, sxva, akrZalul 

iaraRTan erTad, e. w. vakumur, 

moculobiT bombebsac iyenebs. 

aseve rusuli aviacia qarTul soflebs 

500 kg.-ian Wurvebsac esvris. 

cxinvalis regionis soflebis 

garda rusul aviacias sahaero ieriSi 

miaqvs saqarTvelos sxvadasxva 

qalaqSi ganTavsebul samxedro 

bazebsa da aerodromebzec. 

kerZod, ibombeba vazianis baza, 

Tbilisis saaviacio qarxana, qviSianis 

mTaze mdgari radari, foTis 

porti, senakisa da marneulis samxedro 

bazebi. 

saboloo jamSi, ruseTis 58-e 

armia, cxinvalisa da soxumis separatistuli 

reJimebis mier kontrolirebad 

teritoriebTan er- 

Tad, axalgoris raions, kodoris 

xeobas, zugdids, goris raionis 

ramdenime sofelsa da saCxeris 

raionis sofel perevsac ikavebs. 

ruseTi cecxls wyvets mxolod 

safrangeTis imdorindeli prezidentis, 

nikola sarkozis Carevis 

Semdeg, anu 12 agvistos sarkozi 6- 

punqtian samSvidobo gegmas jer 

oficialur moskovTan, Semdeg ki 

oficialur TbilisTan aTanxmebs. 

ise, miuxedavad imisa, rom dimitri 

medvedevi, romelic ruseTis 

federaciis oficialuri prezidentia 

(sinamdvileSi, is putinis 

miTiTebebis usityvo Semsrulebeli 

gaxldaT) cecxlis Sewyvetis 

brZanebas gamoscems, ruseTis saaviacio 

Zalebis mier saqarTvelos 

dasaxlebuli punqtebis dabombva 

ar wydeba. 

26 agvistos medvedevi afxaze- 

Tisa da e. w. samxreT oseTis damoukideblobis 

aRiarebis brZanebas 

gamoscems. 

sxvaTa Soris, agvistos omis 

vnebebi met-naklebad rom Cacxreba, 

politikur kuluarebSi xma gavardeba, 

rom rusi okupantebis 

erT-erTi samizne samauwyeblo 

kompania „rusTavi 2" iyo. 

`ruseTis federaciis mier afxazeTisa da e. w. samxreT oseTis, rogorc 

damoukidebeli saxelmwifoebis aRiarebiT, wiTeli xazebi gadaikveTa, rasac 

ruseTis mxridan ukve yirimis mierTeba moyva. ise, pirdapir ver vityvi, rom 

agvistos omi msoflios gavlenianma specsamsaxurebma dagegmes, magram yvela 

versia im gadasaxedidan unda avagoT, Tu vis awyobda avadsaxsenebeli agvistos 

movlenebi. maSinac da axlac naTlad Canda da Cans, rom es omi ruseTs awyobda~ 

aseve, mogvianebiT, msoflioSi 

skandalurad cnobili saiti „vi- 

kiliqsi” agvistos omze saqarTve- 

loSi aSS-is imJamindeli elCis, 

jon teftis mier saxelmwifo de- 

partamentSi gagzavnil saidumlo 

werilebs gamoaqveynebs, romelic 

2008 wlis 7, 8, 9 da 12 agvistoTia 

daTariRebuli: 

„8 agvistos Sedga prezident 

saakaSvilis saubari elCTan da aseve 

gaimarTa sagareo saqmeTa ministr 

eka tyeSelaSvilis brifingi 

dipkorpusisTvis, sadac gakeTda 

gancxadeba, rom saqarTvelo axla 

akontrolebs cxinvalsa da e. w. 

samxreT oseTis did nawils, miuxedavad 

imisa, rom sabrZolo moqmedebebi 

grZeldeba CrdiloeTiT, 

javis midamoebSi. maTive cnobiT, 

ruseTis TviTmfrinavebi bombaven 

ramdenime samiznes saqarTveloSi, 

konfliqtis zonis gareT, goris 

centSri, or adgilas da qarelis 

policiasTan. arsebobs saqarTvelos 

gancxadeba, rom Camogdebulia 

rusuli TviTmfrinavi. 

saakaSvilma gamoacxada calmxrivi 

cecxlis Sewyvetis Sesaxeb 

gadawyvetileba 8 agvistos, 19:00 

saaTamde. man mimarTa saerTaSoriso 

sazogadoebas, rom „daexmaron 

rusuli agresiis mosagerieblad”. 

manve Tqva, rom rusma samSvidoboebma 

moawyves provocireba. 

Cven gveubnebian, rom am etapze 

qarTvelebi akontroleben e. w. 

samxreT oseTis teritoriis 75%- 

s, cxinvalsa da mis garSemo 11 

sofels. Jurnalistebi acxadeben, 

rom saqarTvelos SeiaraRebuli 

Zalebi miiweven rokis gvirabisken, 

rac CvenTvis ar aris naTeli. amavdroulad, 

saqarTvelos erovnulma 

uSiSroebis sabWom moiTxova 

1000 mebrZolis erayidan saqarTveloSi 

dabruneba 72 saaTis ganmavlobaSi. 

saakaSvilma elCs uTxra, rom is 

imyofeboda gorSi, qalaqis centr- 

Si bombis dacemisas. brZola _ SeiaraRebuli 

dapirispireba e. w. 

samxreT oseTSi daiwyo 7 agvistos, 

RamiT, oTxi mokle diapazonis 

balistikuri raketis gasroliT”, 

_ naTqvamia jon teftis raport- 

Si, romelic 2008 wlis 8 agvisto- 

Tia daTariRebuli. 

teftis kidev erT raportSi, 

romelic 9 agvistos aris aSS-Si 

gagzavnili da romelic mogvianebiT 

„vikiliqsma” gamoaqveyna, vkiTxulobT: 

„Tavdacvis saministros bazebi, 

aeroportebi da foTis porti daibomba 

rusuli TviTmfriavebiT. 

dabombva grZeldeboda 9 agvistos 

diliTac samoqalaqo samizneebze, 

qalaq gorSi. aris msxverpli. 

naTelia, rom daRupuli adamianebis 

ricxvi izrdeba. arsebobs 

aTobiT daRupuli senaksa da foT- 

Si. 

evakuirebulia zogierTi sam- 

Tavrobo Senoba TbilisSi. dabombvam 

gamoiwvia SiSi da panika qar- 

Tul mosaxleobaSi. dabombva gagr- 

Zelda saartilerio saSualebebidan 

cxinvalis maxloblad. 

afxazeTis xelisuflebam sTxova 

euTo-s, dauyovnebliv gaiyvanos 

sakuTari damkvirveblebi kodoris 

xeobidan. 

prezidentma saakaSvilma elCT- 

`daWrili samxedroebi saqarTvelos 

prezidentma, mixeil saakaSvilma, goris 

samxedro hospitalSi moinaxula, mogvinebiT 

ki TbilisSi dabrunebulma sagangebo 

gancxadeba gaakeTa: 

"minda, sruli pasuxismgeblobiT vTqva da 

vaRiaro, rom ramdenime saaTis win gaveci 

Zalian mtkivneuli brZaneba, rogorc 

umaRlesma mTavarsardalma, rom arc erTma 

qarTulma SenaerTma ar gaxsnas sapasuxo 

cecxli Zalian intensiuri dabombvis 

SemTxvevaSic". 

an diliT saubrisas Tqva, rom 

rusebs surT saqarTvelos srulad 

aReba da axali reJimis damyareba. 

saakaSvili SiSobs, rom 

ruseTi arasodes dasTanxmdeba 

cecxlis Sewyvetaze. saakaSvilsa 

da saqarTvelos xelmZRvanelobas 

sjera, rom mTeli es samxedro 

operacia putins surs reJimis 

Sesacvlelad. saakaSvilma ganacxada, 

rom rusuli Zalebi Tavs 

daesxnen cxinvals da qarTuli 

jarebi ewinaaRmdegebian maT. 

euTo-s damkvirveblebis TqmiT, 

8 agvistos, 15 saaTisTvis, qaTulma 

jarma datova cxinvali. reintegraciis 

ministris moadgile ruslan 

abaSiZem elCs ganucxada, rom 

e. w. samxreT oseTSi arsebuli vi- 

Tareba igivea, rac 8 agvistos iyo. 

mas sjera, rom qarTuli Zalebi 

akontroleben cxinvals da mimdebare 

soflebs... saqarTvelos xelisuflebam 

daadastura, rom sagangebo 

mdgomareobis gamocxadeba 

ver an ar moxerxda”. 

jon teftis raporti, 12 agvis- 

to, 2008 weli: „Tavdacvis ministris 

moadgile baTu quTeliam 

ganacxada, rom saqarTvelos jari 

moqmedebs proporciuli safrTxis 

mixedviT. sagareo saqmeTa ministr 

eka tyeSelaSvilis TqmiT, iakobaSvilsa 

da CoCievs Soris Sexvedra 

Cavarda kokoiTis mizeziT, 

romelmac „dabloka” es Sexvedra”. 

„vikiliqsis” es dokumentacia 

absoluturad sarwmunoa da mis 

avTenturobas eWqveS arc aSS ayenebs 

da arc _ evropuli qveynebis 

mTavrobebi. 2008 wlis 6, 7 da 8 

agvistos tefti aSS-is saxelmwifo 

departamentis xelmZRvanelobas 

saidumlo werilebs ugzavnida, sadac 

Zalian mniSvnelovan detalebzea 

saubari. 

xazgasmiT vacxadeb, rom saqar- 

Tvelos winaaRmdeg omi ruseTma 

2008 wlis agvistoSi ki ara, saqarTvelos 

damoukideblobis gamocxadebis 

pirvelsave dRes daiwyo! 

Sesabamisad, rusuli mxaris mier 

gavrcelebuli Teza, rom saqarTvelom 

SeiaraRebuli konfliqti 

aSS-is saelCosa da, metic, aSSis 

maSindel prezident buSis uSualo 

waqezebiT daiwyo, tyuilia! 

„vikiliqsis” dokumentacia sapirispiros 

amtkicebs da teftis 

mier Tbilisidan vaSingtonSi gagzavnili 

werilebidan naTlad Cans 

SeSfoTeba imis gamo, rac saqarTveloSi 

im dros xdeboda”, _ eubne- 

ba „qronika+~-s uSiSroebis Ta- 

darigis polkovniki konstantine 

forCxiZe. 

misive TqmiT, agvistos xuTdRiani 

omi wyalgamyofi iyo, romli- 

Tac msoflios is wesrigi dairRva, 

romelic meore msoflio omis 

Semdeg, e. w. ialtis konferenciaze 

dadginda: 

„ruseTis federaciis mier afxazeTisa 

da e. w. samxreT oseTis, 

rogorc damoukidebeli saxelmwifoebis 

aRiarebiT, wiTeli xazebi 

gadaikveTa, rasac ruseTis mxridan 

ukve yirimis mierTeba moyva. 

ise, pirdapir ver vityvi, rom 

agvistos omi msoflios gavlenianma 

specsamsaxurebma dagegmes, magram 

yvela versia im gadasaxedidan 

unda avagoT, Tu vis awyobda avadsaxsenebeli 

agvistos movlenebi. 

maSinac da axlac naTlad Canda da 

Cans, rom es omi ruseTs awyobda”, 

_ acxadebs qarTveli specsamsaxureli. 

ra Sedegi moutana agvistos xu- 

TdRianma omma ruseTs da, zogadad, 

msoflios? 

agvistos omidan erTi wlis 

Semdeg saqarTvelosa da ruseTis 

avtoritetuli specialisti edvard 

lukasi „radio Tavisufle- 

bas” etyvis: 

„vfiqrob, agvistos omiT raRac 

yvelam moigo da yvelam raRac waago. 

Cemi azriT, ruseTma SeZlo imis 

Cveneba, rom SeuZlia, mwvave konfrontaciaze 

wavides da mas Tavi 

gaarTvas. amiT dairRva garkveuli 

tabu, romelic manamde arsebobda. 

aseve gamoCnda, rom evropis kavSiri 

Zalze daqsaqsulia saimisod, 

rom am konfrontaciisTvis, mar- 

Tlac, seriozuli frontiT gaeca 

pasuxi. meore mxriv, vfiqrob, 

ruseTma garkveuli ziani miayena 

gare samyaroSi Tavis imijs. Sesa- 

Zloa, erTgvarad Semcirda ruse- 

Tis ndobac. Tavidan saqarTvelo 

omis mxverplad iyo miCneuli da 

amiT cota moigo, magram mogvianebiT, 

propagandistul brZola- 

Si, wageba daiwyo”. 

am propagandistuli omis wagebaSi 

ki garkveuli roli, cxadia, im 

qarTvelebmac iTamaSes, romlebic 

werilis dasawyisSi vaxseneT da 

omis dawyebaSi imTaviTve saqarTvelos 

adanaSaulebdnen, magram gava 

dro da ruseTisadmi, minimum, loialurad 

ganwyobili es kasta aRaravis 

emaxsovreba an, ufro sworad, 

am kastas yvela uaryofiT konteqstSi 

gaixsenebs. samagierod, giorgi 

anwuxeliZis, Sindisis mebrZolebisa 

da agvistos omis sxva gmirebis 

saxelebi ki Taobidan Taobas 

gadaecema! diax, agvistos omis qar- 

Tveli gmirebiT Cveni Svilebi da 

SviliSvilebi iamayeben! 

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goCa mircxulava 

599 26 83 83 

08.08.08. _ 11 weli... 11 wlis yov- 

eldRiuri tkivili „aq” _ saxlSi da... iq _ anu msoflioSi. ukve 

kargad esmiT da xedaven, rom ruseTis intervenciis mizani su- 

lac ar iyo „TavisuflebisTvis mebrZoli” afxazi da osi xalxis 

Tanadgoma. mizans mxolod saqarTvelos okupacia da qarTuli 

saxelmwifos mospoba warmoadgenda. axla ruseTi axal mzakvrobas 

axorcielebs _ CvenTvis gasul saukuneSi osebis genocidis dabralebis 

proceduras iwyebs da cxinvalis regionis „oficialu- 

rad” mierTebas apirebs. ra reaqcia eqnebaT „iq”? miT ufro mas 

Semdeg, rac yirimis aneqsiis gamo ruseTisTvis sanqciebis gagr- 

Zeleba ukve ararelevanturad miiCnies da gauuqmes. 

rogor minda, axla janmrTelad 

moazrovne oss vkiTxo, _ am TavisuflebisTvis 

„ibrZodiT”? igive ram 

afxazebs ukve vkiTxe, magram duman. 

da mainc vikiTxav: kremlis mier 

Sekerili Ceqmis qveS yofnaa TqvenTvis 

Tavisufleba? 

vinme darCa iseTi, visTvisac 

dRemde gaugebaria, rom 08.08.08- 

mde arsebuli viTareba ar iyo konfliqti 

eTnikur niadagze? rom es 

iyo politikuri konfliqti saqarTvelos 

teritoriebis dasapyrobad. 

Tumca sasargeblo Tu usargeblo 

idiotebs ra gamolevs amqveynad. 

08.08.08-is Semdeg dReebSi 


dabombvis SesaZleblobebis ganxilvis 

Sesaxeb? axla ar movyvebi, 

ris fasad avicileT Tavidan es 

avantiura, ra Zalisxmeva hqonda am 

yvelaferSi eduard SevardnaZes, 

jeims beikersa da jor buS umcross. 

yvela WkuaTmyofelisTvis 

naTelia _ qarTuli saxelmwifos 

mospoba an misi damoneba putinis 

araTu ocneba, aramed ideafiqsi 

gaxda. diax, saxelmwifosi. rogorc 

vatyob, CvenSi dRemde ver gauvliaT 

zRvari qveyanasa da saxelmwifos 

Soris da es udidesi siglaxea. 

qveyana aq Temur lengma, jalaledinma, 

murvan yrum, stalinma 

ver mospes! _ saxelmwifo?.. 

„iq” _ msoflioSi ki dumdnen an, 

ministrma buqarestamde karga xniT 

adre dausva wertili Tbilisisa 

da kievis imedebs da sxva uamravi 

garemoeba. 

„rac ar unda moemoqmeda saqar- 

Tvelos xelisuflebas, intervencia 

mainc ganxorcieldeboda”, _ 

werda omis dasrulebis Semdeg 

rusi eqsperti pavel felgengaueri. 

provokacia... batono? provokacia? 

da Tu ruseTi mainc apirebda 

saqarTvelos teritoriis okupacias, 

maSin ras niSnavs provokacia? 

es mxolod diplomatiur 

enaze warmoTqmuli frazebia, romlis 

miRmac sxva simarTlea. am simarTleSi 

ki msoflio, ruseTis intervenciis 

Semdeg, dRiTi dRe rwmundeboda 

da sabolood darwmunda 

yirimSi... 

manamde ki iyo Sved diplomat 

haidi taliavnis „daskvna”... sadac 

am saerTaSoriso donis „eqspertgamomZiebelma”, 

sxva „didi donis” 

eqspertebTan erTad, Cawera da xelic 

moawera Semdeg sityvebs: „qarTvelebi, 

ruseTTan SedarebiT, 

ufro Zvel erad miiCneven Tavs”. 

anu Cven miviCnevT, Turme! xvdebiT? 

da am umecrebis Semdeg eg 

da mas saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi, SeiaraRebuli 

operaciebi ewarmoebina 

saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg”, _ 

wers amJamad saqarTvelos parlamentis 

umravlesobis lideri, 

giorgi volski werilSi: „2008 wlis 

agvistos konfliqtis wina periodi, 

samSvidobo gegma da gamouyenebeli 

SesaZleblobebi”. 

saqarTveloSi arsebul konfliqtebSi 

Caxeduli eqspertebi Tanxmdebian 

imaze, rom saqarTvelos 

xelisuflebam mniSvnelovnad Seuwyo 

xeli ruseTs sakuTari zraxvebis 

ganxorcielebaSi da amis dasadastureblad 

ramdenime faqtori 

saxeldeba. kerZod, xelisufleba 

demonstraciulad gamoeTiSa eu- 

Tos mier dafinansebuli qarTulosuri 

konfliqtis mogvarebis gegmas; 

uari iTqva arsebul formatze; 

Secdomadaa miCneuli alternatiuli 

administraciis Seqmna 

dimitri sanakoevis meTaurobiT. 

„miuxedavad saerTaSoriso organizaciebisa 

da partniori qveynebis 

Txovnisa, saqarTvelos parlamentma 

miiRo dadgenileba konfliqtis 

zonebidan dsT-is samSvidobo 

Zalebis dauyovnebliv gayvanis 

Taobaze, ramac xeli Seuwyo 

omze dawerili erT-erTi publikaciidan. 

rame meSleba? ara! dasturad 

„gavrilovis provokaciac” 

kmara, romelmac TvalnaTliv gazoma 

swored es emocia, gancda da 

TviTSegneba. swored am movlenebisas 

davwere sityvebi „Tavisufleba 

yvelaze dardimani qarTvelisTvisac 

ki wiTeli xazia”... 

*** 

Tu ramdenad da rogor sWirdebaT 

„iq” mavanT kremli saerTo 

safrTxeebis winaaRmdeg erToblivi 

brZolisTvis an ramdenad aris 

saWiro da misaRebi saqarTvelos 

prezidentisTvis an nebismieri 

moqalaqisTvis imis mtkiceba, 

rom omi saqarTvelom daiwyo, 

absurdia es msjeloba. „08.08.08" 

daiwyo ruseTma da kremls amaSi 

xeli imaT Seuwyves, vinc qarTuli 

mSvidobiani mosaxleobis dacvas, 

vimeoreb, dacvas (naxeT im dReebis 

qronikebi da gaiazreT, ramdeni 

moqalaqe dagvixoces, ramdeni sofeli 

dabombes, ramdeni daWres 

rusebma da separatistebma) araproporciuli 

Zalis gamoyeneba daarqva. 

swored es politikosebi, 

diplomatebi, saerTaSoriso eqspertebi, 

Sinauri idiotebi da mavn- 

08.08.08. 

afxazebisa da osebis 11 weli kremlis Ceqmis qveS... 

araerTi gamocema, politikosi, 

eqsperti, politologi amtkicebda, 

rom putini yvela SemTxvevaSi 

moaxdenda afxazeTisa da yofili 

samxreT oseTis okupacias. 

maSin, 2008 wels, agvistos omis 

Semdeg, erTi Tvec ar iyo gasuli, 

ruseTis prezidentma medvedevma 

ganacxada, buqarestSi CvenTvis 

map-isc rom moecaT, samxedro moqmedebisgan 

mainc ar Seikavebda 

Tavs. axsovs dRes vinmes, rom kosovos 

damoukideblobis gamocxadebisa 

da misi aRiarebis Semdeg ruseTis 

imperatorma, vladimir putinma, 

lamis daifica, rom „yovelive 

saTanado pasuxis gareSe ar 

darCeboda” da pirdapiri gancxadebebi 

keTdeboda postsabWoTa 

sivrceSi da gansakuTrebiT saqarTveloSi 

separatistuli xelisuflebebis 

mxardaWeraze. 

da es yvelaferi 2008 wels ar 

dawyebula. arc 2001-Si, niu-iork- 

Si „tyupebze” da, ara mxolod, mitanili 

Sturmis Semdeg... maSin 

ruseTis prezidentma v. v. putinma 

msoflios nomer pirveli teroristi 

pankisis xeobaSi „ipova” da 

saqarTvelos lamis msoflio terorizmis 

buded asaxelebda. is Tu 

gaxsovT, swored maSin telekamerebis 

win rom aZlevda davalebas rus 

generlebs saqarTvelos sahaero 

ukeTes SemTxvevaSi, „aRSfoTebasa 

Tu SeSfoTebas gamoxatavdnen” da 

mxareebs dialogisken mogviwodebdnen. 

magram mxared ruseTs 

ki ara, sajarod separatistul regionebs 

asaxelebdnen. Cumad, _ 

yurSi gveubnebodnen, _ provokacias 

ar wamoegoTo, Torem provokaciis 

momwyobTan xan energetikuli, 

xan geostrategiuli, xanac 

situaciuri flirti hqondaT. 

da mainc, buSis administraciis 

udidesi fiasko iyo buqarestis 

samiti. safrangeT-germaniis xeliT 

mougo ruseTma maSin aSS-s saqarTvelosTvis 

map-is miniWebis sakiTxis 

Cagdeba. im safrangeTis, romelic 

aSS-is saxelmwifos formireba- 

Si nomer pirveli wvlili Seitana 

damfuZnebel mamebTan erTad. Tumca 

vis axsovda maSin, 2008 wels an 

axla vis axsovs parizSi Jilber la 

faieti an mosawyeni lui XVI… 

*** 

rogorc ki gegma sabolood 

damuSavda, ruseTi moqmedebaze 

gadavida. miT ufro, rom viTareba 

misTvis saxarbielo iyo _ wamsvleli 

buSi, garantirebuli mxardaWera 

kancler merkelisgan, romelsac 

buqarestSi pirnaTlad hqonda 

Sesrulebuli sakuTari piroba-operacia, 

mokavSired miCneuli nikola 

sarkozi, romlis Tavdacvis 

daskvna rame Rirebuls warmoadgens? 

ver mixvdiT? taliavinis 

mixedviT, is, rom Zveli eri varT, 

faqti ki araa, ase Cven miviCnevT. 

maxsovs, maSin amaze davwere: „radgan 

erT SemTxvevaSi dasaSvebia 

varaudebi, maSin, albaT, qalbatoni 

taliavini arc imis uflebas 

wagvarTmevs, rom miviCnoT _ man an 

misi komisiis wevrebma ver gauZles 

21-e saukuneSi arsebuli imperiisgan 

momaval cdunebebs? Tu mas 

aqvs varaudis ufleba faqtebTan 

dakavSirebiT, Cvenc gvaqvs igive 

ufleba qmedebebTan mimarTebiT. 

Tu am SemTxvevaSic ormagi standarti 

moqmedebs?..” 

gagaxsenebT, rom 2004 wlis Semdeg, 

gansakuTrebiT cxinvalis mimarTulebiT, 

viTareba sakmaod 

pozitiurad icvleboda. saerTa- 

Soriso CarTulobam ganapiroba 

ruseTis met-naklebi dabalanseba, 

rac uTuod iwvevda kremlis gaRizianebas. 

„aSS-is, natosa da evrokavSiris 

politikasTan efeqtiani dapirispirebisTvis 

ruseTisTvis strategiul 

amocanad iqca samSvidobo 

procesis aseTi tendenciiT ganvi- 

Tarebis SeCereba, cisferi Cafxutebisa 

da, Sesabamisad, saerTa- 

Soriso pasuxismgeblobis mocileba, 

rac, amave dros, xels gauxsni- 

ruseTis ganTavisuflebas valdebulebisgan 

da gaarTula masTan 

dasavleli partniorebis konstruqciuli 

urTierToba”, _ acxadebs 

volski imave werilSi. 

da amis miuxedavad, putinis gegmebis 

CasaSlelad saqarTvelos 

xelisuflebas romc emoqmeda „xu- 

Tosani biWis” reJimSi, romelsac 

arc Tavazianoba SeeSleboda, arc 

taqti da zrdiloba, arc eTikis 

normebs daarRvevda, daicavda diplomatiur 

etiketsac _ amas Sedegi 

ar mohyveboda. 

„dasavleTSi ver gaiges an ar 

undaT gaigon, rom problemas ar 

warmoadgens saqarTvelos xelisufleba. 

adrec aRvniSne, rom kreml- 

Si arc SevardnaZe exatebodaT 

gulze. ruseTisTvis problema iyo 

da aris Tavad saqarTvelo, misi geopolitikuri 

mdebareoba, demokratiis 

sasargeblod gakeTebuli 

arCevani, dasavluri orientacia 

da qarTveli adamianis _ saqarTvelos 

moqalaqis mentaloba, romlisTvisac 

Tavisufleba imaze metad 

aRmatebuli raobaa, vidre TviT 

demokratia. qarTvelisTvis Tavisufleba 

ar iwyeba normiTa da dogmiT. 

qarTvelisTvis Tavisufleba 

iwyeba rwmeniTa da saqarTvelo- 

Ti da es aris genetikuri kodi”, _ 

es ki Cemi mosazrebaa 2008 wlis 

eblebi okupaciis Tanamonawileni 

arian. erTni garantirebuli Tbili 

zamTris, meoreni msoflios sxvadasxva 

wertilSi Seqmnili problemebis 

damoukideblad gadawyvetis 

unaris arqonis, mesameni ki sakuTari 

gamorCenisa da angarebis 

gamo. 

ase ar aris? sxva Tu araferi, 

gana blefi ar aRmoCnda ruseTis 

propagandistuli manqanis agorebuli 

informacia _ Tavad prezident 

medvedevis mier gaxmovanebuli, 

qarTvelebis mier 2000 osi mSvidobiani 

moqalaqis daxocvis Sesaxeb, 

ramac TiTqosda aiZula kremli, 

„araproporciuli Zala” gamoeyenebina. 

gaxsovT, rogor daijeres 

da aqac daijereT bevrma es 

yvelaferi? Sedegi? okupirebuli 

qarTuli teritoriebi. 

*** 

da mainc, ar viRlebi gavimeoro: 

„08.08.08 saqarTvelos gadarCenili 

Tavisufleba da Rirsebaa. es Tavisufleba 

ki Tanabrad ekuTvnis afxazsac 

da ossac”. odesme, da es odesme 

iqneba male, isini mixvdebian, 

rom naurus aRiareba srulebiTac 

ar aris Tavisufleba da imasac, 

rom damoukidebeli saxelmwifos 

araTu ganviTareba, aramed arsebobac 

ki SeuZlebelia kremlSi Sekerili 

Ceqmis qveS. 

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Tengiz abloTia 

laris kursi amyarebs antirekordebs _ maSinac ki, rodesac 

is iwyebs dastabilurebasa da gamyarebas, is mainc ar ubrunde- 

ba niSnuls, saidanac daiwyo devalvacia. nebismieri axali kur- 

si aris mxolod 3-4-Tviani Sesveneba momdevno dasustebis win. 

mizezi saxeldeba uamravi _ 

dawyebuli sagareo valebis gastumrebis 

periodiT, damTavrebuli 

TurqeTisa da ruseTis ukvdavi 

da fataluri zemoqmedebiT. 

bolo periodSi daemata rusuli 

sanqciebi da saprotesto aqcia 

rusTavelze. 

am dros aravis uCndeba azri, 

rom aranormaluria Tavad is 

faqti, rom ai, ukve amdeni welia, 

qveyana jiutad aris Camokidebuli 

sxvisi valutis kursze. an im 

ekonomikas ra vuTxari, romelic 

imis gamo CamoiSleba, rom viRaca 

turizmi, tranziti, da a. S. 

kargi iqneboda, ase rom yofiliyo, 

Tumca realoba gviCvenebs, 

rom sinamdvileSi, dResac, 

maRali teqnologiebisa da programuli 

uzrunvelyofis xanaSic 

ki, ganviTarebuli qveynebis ekonomikebs 

didwilad qmnis is, rac 

50 wlis winaT qmnida: metalurgia, 

manqanaTmSenebloba, sayofacxovrebo 

teqnika da a. S. erTi sityviT, 

tradiciuli, XX saukunis, 

mamapapuri industria. 

imis miuxedavad, rom evropamac 

da amerikamac mrewvelobis 


amerikelebi usaqmod sxedan _ 

evrokavSiri awarmoebs weliwadSi 

16,9 mln. avtomobils, aSS ki _ 8 

mln.-s. 

aseTive suraTia industriis 

sxva dargebSi _ CineTis raodenobrivi 

liderobis miuxedavad, 

evropaSic da amerikaSic qarxnebi 

agrZeleben muSaobas da qmnian 

asobiT miliardi dolaris 

produqcias. 

metic, qveynebi, romelTa warmateba 

msoflioSi pirvel rigSi 

asocirdeba servisTan, vaWrobasTan, 

finansebTan da logistikasTan, 

sinamdvileSi, amave dros, 

msxvili mwarmoeblebi arian. 

magaliTad, singapuris mxolod 

maRalteqnologiuri saqonlis 

eqsporti aWarbebs 136 mlrd. 

yofeba saqarTvelo, Tavis 3 

mlrd.-iani eqsportiT, romlis 

erTi didi nawilia avtomobilebis 

reeqsporti, xolo meore _ 

tradiciuli produqciis eqsporti 

ruseTSi, romelic 1 wamSi Sei- 

Zleba Caiketos. 

Tumca es araa erTaderTi problema 

_ am SemaSfoTebel cifrebs 

amZafrebs isic, rom adgilobrivi 

mrewveloba, isic ki, romelic 

arsebobs, faqtobrivad, 

didwilad aris SeniRbuli importi. 

saqarTveloSi „adgilobrivi” 

rZis nawarmi mTlianad Sedgeba 

importirebuli masalebisgan _ 

dawyebul rZis fxvniliT, damTavrebuli 

SefuTviT. saqarTvelo- 

Si „adgilobrivi” Sokoladi mza- 

kviprosi (650 000), Cernogoria 

(620 000), malta (400 000) da a. S. 

Tumca arc isini arian mxolod 

turistebis imedad _ patara 

kviprosis sasaqonlo eqsporti 

Seadgens 3,5 mlrd. dolars _ 

TiTqmis imdenives, ramdenic aqvs 

3,7-milionian saqarTvelos. 

SedarebiT mravalricxovani 

qveynebi, romelTa ekonomikaSi 

turizms didi adgili uWiravs _ 

saboloo jamSi, mainc aviTareben 

warmoebas. magaliTad, 11 mln.-iani 

saberZneTis samrewvelo eqsporti 

Seadgens weliwadSi 30 

mlrd. dolars. qveyana yidis 

ucxoeTSi ara mxolod forToxalsa 

da zeTisxils, rogorc 

bevrs warmoudgenia, aramed nav- 

Tobproduqtebs, wamlebs, sam- 

seriali 

`bedi 

larisa~ 

Cajda araswor savarZelSi _ yovel 

SemTxvevaSi, es namdvilad ar 

warmoaCens xelisuflebas kargi 

kuTxiT. 

aseve Rimilis momgvrelia ma- 

RalCinosnebis gakvirvebuli saxeebi 

da erTi da igive teqsti, 

romelic wlebia, ar icvleba _ 

„fundamenturi faqtorebi srul 

wesrigSia, amitomac laris kursi 

unda iyos stabiluri”. 

unda iyos, ki batono, magram 

ar aris... etyoba larma araferi 

icis SesaniSnavi „fundamenturi 

faqtorebis” Sesaxeb. 

Tumca, am yvelafris miuxedavad, 

ar iqneba swori mxolod 

mTavroba davadanaSauloT, rogorc 

esaa miRebuli saqarTvelo- 

Si. ra Tqma unda, masac ekisreba 

Tavisi wili pasuxismgebloba _ 

investiciebis Semcirebis, msxvili 

energoproeqtebis CaSlis, biznesklimatis 

gauaresebisa da 

wlis manZilze biujetis araTanmimdevruli 

xarjebis gamo. 

Tumca arsebobs mTavari, yvelaze 

mniSvnelovani, fundamenturi 

faqtori, romelic aris 

mudmivi devalvaciis mTavari wyaro 

_ susti ekonomika da TiTqmis 

nulovani warmoeba. 

arsebobs azri, rom 21-e saukuneSi 

industriam dakarga is mniSvneloba, 

romelic mas hqonda, 

sul raRac, 30-40 wlis winaT da 

amitom SesaZlebelia ekonomikis 

ganviTareba arasawarmoo dargebis 

xarjze: finansebi, servisi, 

didi nawili aziis qveynebSi gadaitanes, 

warmodgena, TiTqos isini 

ukve arafers awarmoeben da mxolod 

maRal teqnologiebsa da 

servisze gadavidnen _ arasworia. 

magaliTad, ekonomikis iseTi 

tradiciuli dargi, rogoric avtomrewvelobaa, 

dResac rCeba 

ganviTarebuli qveynebis ekonomikebis 

kvakuTxedi. amaze metyvelebs 

elementaruli statistika _ 

CineTi marTlac aris msoflios 

umsxvilesi avtomwarmoebeli _ 

23,5 mln. avtomobili, Tumca aravis 

egonos, rom evropelebi da 

dolars weliwadSi, mTliani ki _ 

320 mlrd.-s, hon-kongis eqsporti 

Seadgens 135 mlrd. dolars, 

es rom araferi vTqvaT evropaze, 

romelic tradiciulad dgas 

mrewvelobaze. 

magaliTad, patara slovenia, 

romlis mosaxleobac Seadgens 

mxolod 2,5 mln. adamians, eqsportze 

agzavnis 28 mlrd. dolaris 

produqcias, xolo 1,9 -milioniani 

postsabWoTa latvia _ 16 

mlrd.-s. 

am fonze naTlad Cans im ormos 

siRrme da sibnele, sadac im- 

ddeba belgiuri masalisgan, romelic 

warmoqmnis TviTRirebulebis 

did nawils. saqarTveloSi 

„adgilobrivi” Rvinoc ki didwilad 

moixmars ucxour SesafuT 

masalebs. 

faqtobrivad, qveyanaSi ver 

moZebniT ver erT warmoebul 

produqts, romlis warmoebaSi 

gadamwyveti Tu ara, yovel SemTxvevaSi, 

didi nawili ar aris mibmuli 

importTan _ avejis warmoeba 

_ ucxouri xis masala, metalurgia 

_ ucxouri nedleuli, 

cementi _ importuli klinkeri 

da a. S. 

ra Tqma unda, ucxouri valutis 

Semodinebis sxva wyaroebic 

arsebobs samrewvelo eqsportis 

garda, magaliTad, turizmi, romelsac 

qveyanaSi 3-dan 4 mlrd. 

dolaramde Semoaqvs. es sakmarisia 

imisTvis, rom dRes lari iyos 

2,9 da ara 290, Tumca praqtika 

gviCvenebs, rom qveynebi, romlebic 

cxovroben ZiriTadad turizmis 

xarjze, saqarTveloze bevrad 

mcire mosaxleobiT arian: 

Seneblo masalebs, foladis 

milebs, alumins, gemebsa da avtomobilebs. 

Sesabamisad, saqarTvelos ar 

gaaCnia winsvlis arc erTi Sansi 

seriozuli mrewvelobis gareSe, 

romelsac ver Secvlis verc 

turizmi, verc tranziti, ver energetika 

da verc sxva rame. 

aqedan gamomdinare, naTelia 

amocanis warmoudgeneli sirTule 

_ industriis awyoba qveyanaSi, 

romelsac ar gaaCnia arc industriuli 

tradiciebi, arc Sesabamisi 

Sromis kultura da arc 

aucilebeli ganaTlebis done. 

saqarTvelo amoZvreba ormodan 

mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, Tu 

Seicvleba Tavidan bolomde, yofiTi 

wes-CveulebebiT dawyebuli, 

erovnuli faseulobebiT damTavrebuli. 

amis gakeTeba ar SeuZlia 

arc erT calke aRebul mTavrobas. 

es aris Taobebis sakiTxi. 

amitomac, moimarageT popkorni 

_ saTavgadasavlo seriali 

„bedi larisa” kidev didxans gagrZeldeba. 

ìm ekonomikas ra 

vuTxari, romelic 

imis gamo CamoiSleba, 

rom viRaca Cajda 

araswor savarZelSi~ 

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energodamoukidebloba _ miTi Tu 

levan qemokliZe 

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energodamoukidebloba? 

„qronika+~-is kiTxvebs iuristma 

dimitri toraZem upa- 

suxa: 

_ b-no dimitri, Tqven xSir- 

ad ambobT, rom saqarTveloSi 

aucilebelia hesebis mSeneblo- 

ba, Tumca mosaxleobas eSinia, 

rom hidroeleqtrosadgurebi 

ara energodamoukideblobisa 

da progresis momtania, aramed 

bunebis ganadgurebas emsaxureba 

da xalxis janmrTelobas sa- 

frTxes uqmnis. ganvumartoT 

Cvens mkiTxvels, ratom fiqr- 

obT, rom hesebis mSenebloba 

aucilebelia? 

_ hesebis mSenebloba Cveni 

qveynisTvis prioriteti unda 

iyos. „erovnuli moZraobis” 

gariJraJze skola axali damTavrebuli 

mqonda da vxedavdi, 

vinc politikaSi imkvidrebda 

adgils, hesebis mSeneblobas ewinaaRmdegeboda. 

mesmoda, rom es 

ekologiur katastrofas iwvevda. 

im dros mec meCveneboda, 

rom isini erovnul saqmes akeTebdnen. 

amis Semdeg am mimarTulebiT 

saerTaSoriso proeqtebze 

muSaoba momiwia, viyavi adgilobrivi 

eqsperti iuridiul doneze 

da iuridiuli sakiTxebis 

kvlevis dros yvela teqnikur 

sakiTxs vexebodi. aRmovaCine, 

rom, realurad, yvelaferi sxvagvarad 

iyo, _ hesebi, es aris 

ganaxlebad energiaze momuSave 

sainJinro nageboba, romelsac 

Semdeg sxva mniSvnelovani benefitebi 

moyveba. aviRoT engurhesi: 

garda imisa, rom is eleqtrosadguria, 

mas aseve SeuZlia 

sezonuri wyaltevadobis Senar- 

Cuneba, rac imas niSnavs, rom is 

raRac raodenobis wyals akavebs 

ramdenad sWirdeba saqarTve- 

los hesebis aSeneba da realurad 

SegviZlia Tu ara alternatiuli 

energowyaroebidan movipovoT 

da Semdeg iyenebs, roca wyaluxvoba 

ukve aRar aris. ratom gaaCeres 

namoxvanhesis mSenebloba, 

aravin ar icis... mniSvnelovania 

aseTi obieqtebis mSenebloba. 

hesebs piriqiT, stiqiis prevenciac 

SeuZlia. absoluturad 

yvela is eqsperti, vinc acxadebs, 

rom TiTqos hidroeleqtrosadgurs 

qveynisTvis ekologiuri 

ziani moaqvs, maTi kompetencia, 

rbilad rom vTqvaT, 

saeWvoa. 

_ Tumca riskebsac ver gamovricxavT, 

romelic, realu- 

rad, namdvilad SeiZleba iyos 

safrTxe... 

_ es daTvladi riskebia da 

yvelaferi, rac daTvladia, SesaZlebelia 

misi prevenciac. saqarTveloSi 

rasac „sarkis zedapirs” 

eZaxian, anu rasac wyali 

ikavebs, imdenad patara moculobisaa, 

rom aranair risks ar 

warmoqmnis. umetesad gvaqvs xeobebi 

da realurad iq vakeTebT 

sainJinro nagebobebs, keTdeba 

wylis rezervuari da, ase vTqvaT, 

Semdeg danarCeni wyali unda 

mivmarToT kalapotSi. Tu 

sworad dagegmardeba, ra Tqma 

unda, ekologiur katastrofas 

ar gamoiwvevs da vimeoreb, ekonomiuri 

efeqtianobis momtanic 

iqneba. metic: SeiZleba, raRac 

moculobis xe-tye gaiCexos, Tumca 

isic ki regeneracias ganicdis 

wyalsacavis irgvliv ganvi- 

Tarebis pirobebSi da ukeTes 

tyes vRebulobT. 

is eqspertebi, romlebic sawinaaRmdegos 

acxadeben da adamianebi, 

vinc maT ujerebs, arc 

erTi maTgani ar aris namyofi 

SveicariaSi. kargi, batono, ana- 

`hesebi, es aris ganaxlebad energiaze momuSave 

sainJinro nageboba, romelsac Semdeg sxva 

mniSvnelovani benefitebi moyveba. aviRoT 

engurhesi: garda imisa, rom is 

eleqtrosadguria, mas aseve SeuZlia sezonuri 

wyaltevadobis SenarCuneba, rac imas niSnavs, 

rom is raRac raodenobis wyals akavebs da 

Semdeg iyenebs, roca wyaluxvoba ukve aRar 

aris. ratom gaaCeres namoxvanhesis 

mSenebloba, aravin ar icis... mniSvnelovania 

aseTi obieqtebis mSenebloba. hesebs piriqiT, 

stiqiis prevenciac SeuZlia. absoluturad 

yvela is eqsperti, vinc acxadebs, rom TiTqos 

hidroeleqtrosadgurs qveynisTvis 

ekologiuri ziani moaqvs, maTi kompetencia, 

rbilad rom vTqvaT, saeWvoa~ 

dimitri toraZe: 

`ratom unda vixdideT 

Cveni resursebis 

patronebi did fuls, 

roca SegviZlia, piriqiT 

_ eqsportiori gavxdeT 

da ekonomikurad 

gavZlierdeT~ 

nurSi wavidnen da iq naxon, daaziana 

Tu ara garemo wyalsacavma?! 

piriqiT, ufro lamazi landSafti 

Seqmna, buneba absoluturad 

mimzdivelia ara marto 

im saqmisTvis, risTvisac aSenda, 

aramed turizmis ganviTarebisTvis 

araCveulebrivi infrastruqtura 

Seqmna. saqarTvelo- 

Si hidroresursebis mxolod 

20%-ia aTvisebuli, SveicariaSi 

ki 80%-mdea da minda, rom 

saqarTveloc ise ganviTardes, 

rogorc _ Sveicaria. 

_ igive eqspertebi xSirad 

mianiSneben, rom saqarTveloSi 

aris Zveli hesebi, romlebsac 

ganaxleba esaWiroeba... 

_ es imas ar niSnavs, rom axali 

ar unda aSendes. kidev erTxel 

gavimeoreb: eqspertebi, romlebic 

amboben, rom hesebi ar 

unda aSendes, maTi kompetencia 

Zalian saeWvoa da iciT, ratom? 

_ faqtia, saqarTveloSi wlidan 

wlamde izrdeba eleqtroenergiis 

moxmareba, mxolod bolo 

sami Tvis monacemebiT es zrda, 

daaxloebiT, 5%-ia da 10 weliwadSi 

Cveni gamomuSavebuli sistemis 

naxevari iqneba. saqarTveloSi 

energosistema deficituria, 

dRes SeiZleba ar gvaqvs 

deficiti, magram zamTarSi uares 

dReSi viqnebiT. bolo samma 

weliwadma gviCvena, rom energiis 

moxmareba stabilurad mzardia 

da Cvens sistemas aucileblad 

sWirdeba meti gastabilureba. 

_ xSirad apelireben energi- 

is alternatiul wyaroebze, 

rac naklebad abinZurebs gare- 

mos. energiis alternatiuli 

wyaroebis ra resursi gvaqvs, 

romlis gamoyenebac SegviZlia? 

_ pirvel rigSi aviRoT qaris 

energia: Cven ukve gvaqvs 21-megavatiani 

sistema gorSi da samasiani 

Sendeba saCxereSi. es kargia, 

magram misi moculoba ar Sei- 

Zleba, saerTo energosistemaSi 

Zalian didi iyos. da Tu qari ar 

iqneba erT dRes, ra vqnaT? igi 

arastabiluria, es SeiZleba 

iyos sistemis Semadgeneli nawili, 

magram ara ZiriTadi. imisTvis, 

rom sistema Zlieri gqondes 

da energodamoukidebeli 

qveyana iyo, sistemis generacia 

unda xdebodes ganaxlebadi energiebiT 

da Cven amis udidesi 

potenciali gvaqvs. Zalian 

ioli saTqmelia, rom ar gvinda 

komunisturi warsuli, ki batono, 

ar gvinda, magram dRes 

varT swored komunistur warsulSi 

da Tu im warsulidan SegviZlia 

miviRoT is sasargeblo 

ekonomikuri nawili, ratom ar 

unda gamoviyenoT? RvTis madliT 

saqarTvelos hidroresursi 

Seswavlilia, absoluturad 

yvela mdinare gamokvleulia. 

gasagebia, SeiZleba ifiqro, rom 

imdroindel ruseTs ar ainteresebda 

Cveni ekologia, magram 

rac mTavaria, hidroresursebi 

gvaqvs Seswavlili da modi, gaakeTe 

dRes Sen misi segregacia, 

gamoyavi is, rac ekologias metad 

azianebs da moixmare is danarCeni, 

rac xels Seuwyobs energodamoukideblobas 

da amaze 

uaris Tqma SeiZleba?! Tu romelime 

eqsperti amaze ityvis, ar 

gavakeToTo, e. i. mas ar esmis 

`Cven hidroeleqtrosadgurebi 

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realoba, investicia Tu safrTxe? 

saqmis arsi! dRes yvelaferi 

mibmulia ekonomikaze, energetika 

ki yvelafris mamoZravebeli 

Zalaa da Cven es gvWirdeba, ar 

unda viyoT damokidebuli sxvaze, 

Tundac imitom, rom unda 

gavixsenoT, ra mdgomareoba gvaqvs 

ruseTTan da azerbaijanTan! 

wels TurqeTma yvelaze didi 

TaRovani kaSxlis mSnebloba 

daiwyo, albaT kavkasiaSi yvelaze 

didi, engurzec sakmaod didi 

da erTi kvira zeimobdnen. is 

dRe ki, rodesac es gadawyvetileba 

miiRes, samudamod gamoacxades 

dasvenebis dRed, rom 

aseTi proeqtis ganxorcieleba 

daiwyes da Cven kidev imas vambobT, 

es ar unda gvqondes da ar 

unda gavakeToT?! arada, saqar- 

TveloSi amis gakeTeba bevrad 

iolia, radgan yvelafris resursi 

gvaqvs, Seswavlilia yvelaferi, 

Tu sad ra da rogor gakeTdes. 

damuSavebulia sain- 

Jirno proeqtebi, daskvnebi, kvlevebi 

mzad gvaqvs. aviRoT axla 

eseni da gadavarCioT, ekologiurad 

ra iqneba naklebi 

zianis momtani da a. S. 

arc erTze uaris Tqma ar Sei- 

Zleba! saqarTveloSi arsebobs 

kanoni gansaxlebis Sesaxeb da es 

unda gavakeToT, radgan sikeTe, 

rasac is moitans, isev Cvenze 

aisaxeba da rac yvelaze mniSnvelovania, 

_ momavalze. 

_ Tumca, garkveulwilad, 

mainc ver avuvliT gverds he- 

sebis mSeneblobiT gamowveul 

safrTxeebs, romelzedac saubaria 

Cvens sazogadoebaSi uamravi 

miTi arsebobs da konkre- 

tulad minda mipasuxoT, ra 

aris miTi da ra aris realoba? 

_ miTia soflebis gaqroba, 

magram Tu saubaria did, mZlavr 

hidroeleqtrosadgurze, Sesa- 

Zlebelia gaaqros erTi sofeli. 

swored am problemis alternativaa 

saqarTveloSi gansaxlebis 

kanonis arseboba, mosaxleobis 

kompensacia sasamarTlos 

wesiT. es ar aris Cemi azri da 

Cemi SeTavazeba, aramed am sakiTxze 

evrokonvenciebi arsebobs. 

mosaxleobisadmi SeTavazeba 

aucileblad Rirseuli da 

Sesabamisi unda iyos. magram is 

ki namdvilad miTia, rom konkretuli 

mdinare sadac miedineba, 

yvelafers gaanadgurebs. arafers 

anadgurebs! _ piriqiT, yvelafers 

aviTarebs, radgan mas 

sWirdeba bevri momsaxure personali, 

kvalificiuri muSaxeli, 

gadamzadebis centri, ganaTleba, 

rac qmnis axal infrastruqturebs. 

hesi rom stepze Sendebodes, 

iq marTla ver gavTvliT, 

ra farTobs datboravs 

`RvTis madliT saqarTvelos hidroresursi Seswavlilia, absoluturad yvela 

mdinare gamokvleulia. gasagebia, SeiZleba ifiqro, rom imdroindel ruseTs 

ar ainteresebda Cveni ekologia, magram rac mTavaria, hidroresursebi gvaqvs 

Seswavlili da modi, gaakeTe dRes Sen misi segregacia, gamoyavi is, rac 

ekologias metad azianebs da moixmare is danarCeni, rac xels Seuwyobs 

energodamoukideblobas da amaze uaris Tqma SeiZleba?!~ 

mZlavri kaSxali, magram saqar- 

Tvelos reliefidan gamomdianre, 

hesi Sendeba xeobebSi, sadac 

yvelaferi absoluturad 

daTvladia. imitom momwons da 

yvelaze metad viyeneb xolme 

Sveicariisa da avstriis magaliTebs. 

avstriaSi manqaniT vmogzaurobdi 

da am kuTxiT yvelafers 

vaqcevdi yuradRebas: davinaxe 

Zalian bevri gaCexili xeoba, 

romelic ivseboda wyliT, e. 

w. sarkis zedapiriT, rasac wyali 

daikavebs da es imdenad umniSvnelo 

farTobia, salaparakodac 

ar Rirs, TiTqos raRac 

zianis momtania, piriqiT, _ isev 

da isev ananuris magaliTs moviyvan. 

garda amisa, tyeebSi miuvali 

adgilebi ixsneba da Tavisufali 

zonebi Cndeba, rac Zalian 

saintereso da mimzidvelia 

turizmis gansaviTareblad. gauval 

adgilebSi arc turistebi 

moZraoben da arc ekonomikuri 

aqtivoba SeiniSneba, magaliTad, 

sadme rom jixuri Caidgas. sadac 

xalxi moZraobs, jixursac 

iq Cadgam da ekonomikurad mimzidveli 

adgilic amitom aris 

ananuri, sadac xalxi mudmivad 

moZraobs. wyalsacavi aucileblad 

Seqmnis im zonas, sadac 

turizmic ganviTardeba da sxva 

aqtivobebi warmoiSoba _ ekonomikurad 

aqtiur zonad iqceva. 

wyali yovlisSemZlea, sadac wyalia, 

iq yvelaferi viTardeba. 

wyali ver iqneba zianis momtani. 

kontrargumentad udabnos motgvWirdeba, 

es calsaxaa!~ 

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ana SegviZlia. 

zogierTi ambobs, traqtori 

miadgeba da ladSafts daazianebso, 

ra Tqma unda, daazianebs, 

„sadac xe iWreba, iq nafotic 

cviva”, magram grZelvadian perspeqtivaSi 

gamoricxulia ramis 

dazianeba. 

_ xSirad es Tema poli- 

tikuri spekulaciebis sagani 

xdeba _ garkveuli politikuri 

jgufebi qulebs iweren... 

_ saqmec eg aris, generacia 

Cvens xelT araa, rusuli kompaniebi 

floben da es Zalian 

cudia. energo damoukideblobaze 

vlaparakobT da jer kidev 

Cveni energoresursebis umetesoba 

rusebis xelSia. konceptualuri 

xedva unda arsebobdes 

da igi ar unda moicavdes erT 

mimarTulebas. grZelvadiani 

gegma unda gvqondes da es ar 

unda iyos vinmes piradi an politikuri 

eqskluzivi _ movida 

es mTavroba da es xedavs ase _ 

ara! es sazogadoebrivi xedva 

unda iyos da amitom spekulaciebi 

unda dasruldes. Tu me var 

xelisuflebaSi, SeiZleba hesis 

mSenebloba da roca opoziciaSi 

var, ar SeiZleba? unda SevTanxmdeT 

da diax, xalxs eSinia da 

unda avuxsnaT. ginda politkuri 

spkulaciebi daarqvi, ginda 

sxva rame, imis gamo, rom ar 

arsebobs konteqsturi da sworad 

miwodebuli informacia, 

amitomac arsebobs apokalifsis 

SiSi. roca mosaxleoba kiTxvebs 

svams da am kiTxvebze arsebobs 

efeqtiani pasuxi da es pasuxi 

xalxamde arasworad midis, 

aucileblad unda imuSaos yvelam 

am mimarTulebiT. 

_ Tqven swori komunikacia 

da informaciis miwodeba ax- 

seneT. am SemTxvevaSi xom ar 

fiqrobT, is kompaniebi, rom- 

lebic dainteresebulebi arian 

hesebis mSeneblobiT da saxelm- 

wifoc erTgvari mxardamWeria 

maTi, rom qveyanam energod- 

amoukideblobas miaRwios, ra 

unda gakeTdes, rom Tundac is 

Sedegi ar miviRoT, rac ma- 

galiTisTvis pankisSi vixileT? 

_ zemoTac vTqvi da gavimeoreb: 

roca adre am safrTxeebis 

Sesaxeb mesmoda da saqmeSi Rrmad 

Caxeduli ar viyavi, teqnikurad 

Seswavlili ar mqonda, 

mec vfiqrobdi, rom patriotul 

saqmes akeTebdnen mowinaRmdegeebi. 

mosaxleobam ar icis da 

mis yurs Zalian cudad xvdeba 

es sakiTxi, ijerebs, rom saSinelebebi 

dagvemarTeba, amitom 

zusti informacia unda mivitanoT 

mosaxleobamde, radgan sazogadoeba 

TviTganviTarebadia 

da masac aqvs motivacia, ufro 

warmatebuli gaxdes. Tu mTavroba 

fiqrobs, rom es qveynisTvis 

da mosaxleobisTvis kargia 

da ver uxsnis ver usabuTebs, es 

ukve menejmentis seriozuli 

problemaa. saqarTveloSi bevri 

kargi specialisti arsebobs da 

swored maTi CarTulobiT Sesa- 

Zlebelia grZelvadiani kampania. 

mTavrobam es saintereso formatiT 

unda daukveTos, gaamzadon 

sainformacio kampania, hqondeT 

mWidro komunikacia mosaxleobasTan, 

gadacemebi gakeTdes 

am Temaze, gvaCvenon sxva qvenebis 

magaliTebi... kargi iqneba, Tu 

Jurnalistebsac gauSveben avstriasa 

da SveicariaSi _ iq absolutur 

istorias mouyvebian, 

rogor unda ganviTardes es 

sfero, yvelaferi Senaxuli 

aqvT, muzeumebic ki gaakeTes, 

yvelafers naxaven im bunebaSi ra 

iyo manamde da dRes rogor vi- 

Tardeba yvelaferi. zustad is 

SiSebi, rac wlebis winaT mqonda, 

swored Sveicariisa da avstriis 

naxvis Semdeg gamiqarwylda 

da davrwmundi, rom yvelaferi 

ise ar iyo, rogorc mawveTebdnen. 

adgilze naxaven, rogor 

ganviTarda buneba, iqac gaiCexa 

mSeneblobisas garkveuli 

monakveTi, magram wlebis Semdeg 

ukeTesi silamaze warmoiSva. 

Sveicarias resursebis 80% aqvs 

aTvisebuli da igi ukve eqsportiori 

qveyanaa, garda imisa, rom 

absoluturad urzunvelyofilia. 

saqarTvelo ki Tavisi 

geografiiT da landSaftiT 

Zalian hgavs Sveicaris, Cvenc 

SegviZlia zustad igivenairad 

aviTvisoT hidroeleqtroresursi 

da infrastruqtura. iq 

naxavT, rom garda energodamoukideblobisa, 

sxva sikeTeebic 

axlavs: hidroeleqtrosadguris 

wyalsacavebze saialqno 

sportis ganviTareba, am wyalsacavebis 

irgvliv turituli zonebia 

mowyobili... 

iq Tu muSaobs, CvenTan ratom 

gveSinia? CvenTanac imuSavebs. 

Tu buneba davicaviT erTi soflisTvis 

da ar davtboreT, realurad, 

im sofels deni ar aqvs 

da Tu aqvs, gaWirvebiT, iq araferi 

xdeba, erT TeTrsac ver 

Soulobs xalxi da raRac kanonzea 

damokidebuli, ariqa, ma- 

RalmTiani raonebisTvis rame 

SeRavaTs davawesebTo, am daxmarebas 

miiReben, dotaciaze icxovreben. 

es xom regresia? mTavrobas 

berketi unda hqondes, me 

rom investori viyo, SeiZleba, 

erTi hesis aSenebis survili 

mqondes, magram roca Sen saxelmwifo 

xar da saxelmwifo politikas 

awarmoeb, ar SeilZeba, 

erTjeradad gqondes gaTvlili 

komunikacia sazogadoebasTan, 

es grZelvadiani muSaoba unda 

iyos, raTa adamianebs SiSi moexsnas. 

davuSvaT, daitbora erTi 

sofeli da gaasaxles, magram 

danarCeni ori sofeli xom aSendeba? 

Cven hidroeleqtrosadgurebi 

gvWirdeba, es calsaxaa! mTavria, 

xalxs infromacia sworad 

mivawodoT... 

ratom unda vixdideT Cveni 

resursebis patronebi did 

fuls, roca SegviZlia, piriqiT 

_ eqsportiori gavxdeT da ekonomikurad 

gavZlierdeT. 

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gadasaxedidan, 

rodesac am TemasTan mimarTe- 

biT emociebi Camcxralia, 

rogor SeiZleba es faqti Se- 

fasdes? 

_ 2017 wlis 23 noembers saqarTvelos 

patriarqis mier gamoica 

brZaneba senakis mitropolit 

Sio mujiris patriarqis 

mosaydred daniSvnis Sesaxeb, 

ramac zogierT epikopossa da 

Teologs Soris azrTa sxvadasxvaoba 

gamoiwvia. es sxvadasxvaoba 

mosaydris institutisa 

Tu fenomenis antikanonikurobiTaa 

gamowveuli. diax, arc meti 

arc naklebi _ antikanonikurobiT. 

am faqtma sxva marTlmadidebel 

eklesiebSic gaoceba 

gamoiwvia. 

_ ratom? 

_ Cemi megobari sasuliero 

pirebi da, maT Soris, mRvdelmTavrebi 

gaocebuli mekiTxebodnen, 

Tu ras gulisxmobda 

mosaydris fenomeni da ra funqcia 

hqonda mas. ramdenime Tvis 

Semdeg Cems erT-erT interviu- 

Si aRvniSnavdi, rom Tavad termini 

mosaydre araeklesiuria 

da mas dRevandeli saeklesio 

praqtikidan da gamocdilebidan 

gamomdinare „adgilis mcveli” 

unda ewodebodes, es „instituti” 

ki mxolod maSin aqtiurdeba, 

rodesac eklesiis meTauri 

gardaicvleba an gadadgeba. 

Tavad adgilis mcvelis funqcia 

sapatriarqo arCevnebis 

momzadeba da misi samarTlianad 

warmarTvaa, anu saero eniT 

rom vTqvaT, is ceskos Tavmjdomarea. 

ramdenadac is saarCevno 

process warmarTavs, Tavad 

arCevnebSi ar monawileobs. 

_ samagierod, Cven vismen- 

diT araerT interpretacias, 

rodesac mosaydre lamis mo- 

maval patriarqad gamoacxades 

da mniSvnelovani iyo agresia 

swored Tqven mimarTac am sak- 

iTxis komentirebis dros... 

_ bevri ram movismineT. Cemma 

am gancxadebam sapatriarqo- 

Si didi ukmayofileba gamoiwvia. 

im saRamosve damikavSirdnen 

da mTxoves, sapatriarqoSi 

mivsuliyavi da iq ganmemarta 

Cemi mosazreba. me Tavaziani uari 

vuTxari da Sexvedra neitralur 

teritoriaze SevTavaze, 

razec damTanxmdnen. Sexvedra 

mama andria jaRmaiZesTan gaimarTa. 

me mas sakmao xans vesaubre, 

magram uSedegod. maTTvis 

mosaydris instituti kanonikuri 

iyo, radgan, rogorc mama 

andria brZanebda, es saqarTvelos 

eklesiis 1995 wlis marTva-gamgeobis 

debulebiT iyo garantirebuli. 

me maSinve vuTxari, 

rom am debulebis es konkretuli 

adgili Casasworebelia, 

radgan is ZirSive ewinaaRmdegeba 

msoflio krebebis kanonebs, 

rac yovlad dauSvebeliameTqi. 

Cveni maSindeli Sexvedra 

ase damTavrda. Tumca xSirad 

mekiTxeboda amis Sesaxeb sxvadasxva 

adamiani. maT ainteresebdaT 

saeklesio cxovrebisTvis 

am, esoden, ucnauri fenomenis 

definicia. sxvaTa Soris, is, 

rom saqarTvelos eklesiis mar- 

Tva-gamgeobis debuleba eklesiis 

istoriasTan, msoflio da 

adgilobriv saeklesio krebeb- 

Tan TanxvedraSi unda iyos, es 

Cemi axireba ar yofila, amaze 

TviT Cveni debuleba saubrobs 

da pirvelive TavSi ambobs, rom 

„§5 saqarTvelos eklesia Tavis 

moRvaweobas axorcielebs Semdeg 

safuZvlebze: 2. wmidaTa 

mociqulTa, wmidaTa msoflio 

da adgilobriv krebaTa da wmidaTa 

mamaTa kanonebi da wesdebebi”. 

_ da mainc, ratom aris araswori 

Tavad termini _ mosay- 

dre? 

_ rogorc mogaxseneT, es termini 

_ mosaydre, msoflio saeklesio 

praqtikaSi ucxoa garkveuli 

mizezebis gamo. is samefo 

mmarTvelobaSi gamoiyeneboda, 

rac kargadaa cnobili saqarTvelos 

istoriidan, rodesac 

mefeebi Tavis sicocxleSive 

TavianT Svilebs, anu memkvidreebs 

mosaydreebad acxadebdnen. 

saero praqtikaSi es Cveulebrivi 

ambavi iyo da ara mxolod 

saqarTveloSi. bizantiaSic 

xdeboda msgavsi ram. es saero- 

Si, radgan aranairi kanoni samefo 

xelisufals ar zRudavda, 

sakuTari Svili mosaydred an 

Tanamosaydred gamoecxadebina. 

magram saeklesio praqtika, gamomdinare 

episkoposis institutis 

Taviseburebidan, amgvar 

fenomens ar icnobs; an rogor 

SeiZleba, samefo institutis 

mmarTvelobis formam daimkvidros 

eklesiis mmarTvelobis 

sferoSi, romelic Tavisi SinaarsiTa 

da gamiznulebiT arsobrivad 

gansxvavdeba saero 

mmarTvelobis formisgan. 

goCa barnovi: 

`safrTxe, rom 

okupanti pirdapir 

ganaxorcielebs 

nebismieri momavali 

patriarqis 

`dadgenas~, seriozul 

problemad mimaCnia~ 

_ ra formaa es? 

_ daviwyoT adreuli saukuneebidan, 

rodesac, egnate antioqielis 

epoqis Semdgomi periodidan, 

eklesiaSi episkoposis 

instituti mkvidrdeba da episkoposis 

uflebebi arnaxul mas- 

Stabebs iZens. „mociqulTa ganwesebidan” 

cnobilia, rom episkoposs 

mTeli eri irCevda. mas 

evqaristiuli msaxurebisas samgzis 

waradgendnen eris winaSe 

da misgan damowmebas iTxovdnen 

misi gamorCevisTvis. eric, Tanxmobis 

SemTxvevaSi, adasturebda 

axali episkoposis sandoobas. 

axlad gamorCeuli episkoposi 

konkretuli adgilobrivi 

eklesiis Tavi xdeboda. zogadad, 

episkoposisa da adgilobrivi 

eklesiis erToba ieso qristesa 

da eklesiis erTobis saxisebrad 

xorcieldeba. episkoposisa 

da adgilobrivi eklesiis 

erToba ar unda gavigoT, 

rogorc erTmaneTisgan ganSorebuli 

sxeulebis erToba _ 

samRvdeloebisa da eris, aramed 

rogorc organuli erToba 

imave eklesiis sxeulSi, romelic 

TiTqosda personificirebulia 

episkoposSi. sainteresoa, 

rom egnate antioqieli Tavis 

epistoleSi romaelTa mimarT 

episkoposs RmerTis, qristes 

saxes _ tips uwodebs. metic, 

liturgiis _ umaRlesi saeklesio 

msaxurebis _ aRsrulebis 

`rodesac arsebobs cocxali patriarqi da mis 

gverdiTaa cocxali mosaydre, nebsiT Tu 

uneblieT, iqmneba orxelisuflebianobis gancda, 

rac upirvelesad Tavad am pirovnebebs, Semdeg 

ki saeklesio sisavses azianebs. 

am terminisa da institutis damkvidrebis 

momenti burusiTaa moculi. masze pasuxi ar 

arsebobs, Tumca aSkaraa, rom misi fesvebi 

rusuli saeklesio cxovrebidan momdinareobs. 

aqedan moyolebuli, mkvidrdeba es araswori 

termini da instituti qarTul saeklesio 

sinamdvileSi, ris mixedviTac yoveli 

patriarqisTvis misi mosaydrec ganisazRvreboda~ 

drosac ki, episkoposi adgilobrivi 

eklesiisTvis ki ar moqmedebs, 

aramed eklesia moqmedebs 

sakuTari Tavis e. i. 

episkoposis meSveobiT. 

_ ambobT, rom episkopossa 

da adgilobriv eklesias Soris 

imgvari erToba da kavSiria, 

rogorc qristesa da eklesias 

Soris? 

_ diax, SeuZlebelia qristesa 

da eklesiis ganyofa. eklesiis 

„ego” aris ieso qriste. Sesabamisad, 

rogorc ieso qristes 

sZalia eklesia, msgavsad episkoposis 

sZalia misi adgilobrivi 

eklesiac. Sesabamisad, episkopossa 

da mis adgilobriv eklesias 

Soris arsebobs erTgvari 

erToba, msgavsi qorwinebisa. 

rodesac episkoposi romelime 

adgilobrivi eklesiis Tavad 

gamoirCeva, xdeba misi „daqorwineba”, 

anu organuli, erT 

sxeulad SekavSireba am eklesiasTan. 

amitomacaa, rom episkoposis 

gardacvalebis SemTxveva- 

Si saeklesio terminiT mkacrad 

gansazRvrulad amboben, rom 

saydari daqvrivebulia da aramc 

da aramc carieli, radgan 

episkoposisa da misi adgilobrivi 

eklesiis urTierToba iseTia, 

rogorc qmarsa da cols 

Soris. am principidan gamomdinare, 

amgvari urTierTobis 

wesi kanonebiTac gamyarda. magaliTad 

pirveli msoflio 

krebis merve kanoni imperatiulad 

gansazRvravs, rom erT 

qalaqSi ori episkoposi ar Sei- 

Zleba, msgavsad, rogorc ar 

SeiZleba erT qals ori qmari 

hyavdes. nebismieri sxva episkoposi 

imave qalaqSi antikanonikuria 

da Tu msgavsi ram moxdeba, 

is umal gauqmebulad miiCneva. 

amitomac, diasporis eklesia, 

yvela SemTxvevaSi, Tanamedrove 

eresia, radgan erT qalaq- 

Si zog SemTxvevaSi orze meti 

da zogjerac aTamde episkoposi 

zis. 

_ amaze araerTi ganmarteba 

miuTiTebs, Tumca cxadia, rom 

es, rogorc aRniSne _ „Tanamedrove 

eresi” _ sakmaod fesvgadgmulia. 

magram mivubrun- 

deT mosaydris Temas... 

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mosaydresa~ da `patriarqis mosaydres~ Soris~ 

_ naTelia, rom am principidan 

gamomdinare, SeuZlebelia 

saeklesio praqtikaSi mosaydris 

instituti yofiliyo, rac 

TavisTavSi ukve saeklesio taxtis 

an saydris mociles niSnavs. 

msgavsi fenomeni ar yofila 

arc erT saukuneSi da arc erT 

marTlmadidebel avtokefaliur 

eklesiaSi. Tu Cven vnaxavT 

yvela marTlmadidebeli eklesiis 

marTva-gamgeobis debulebebs, 

yvelgan naTlad da 

calsaxad weria, rom adgilis 

mcvels da ara mosaydres mxolod 

patriarqis gardacvalebis 

an gadadgomis Semdeg sinodis 

sxdomaze gamoirCeven. 

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi umal 

pirveli msoflio krebis merve 

kanoni dairRveoda. uZveles 

eklesiebSi adgilis mcveli qirotoniiT 

uxucesi episkoposi 

xdeba, Tumca es ar aris savaldebulo. 

adgilis mcvelis funqcia 

axali patriarqis arCevnebis 

marTebulad Catarebis uzrunvelyofaa. 

mas ar aqvs ufleba, 

gansazRvros eklesiis mmar- 

Tvelobis mniSvnelovani sakiTxebi 

da miT umetes raime cvlileba 

mmarTvelobis debulebaSi. 

adgilis mcvels droebiT 

ukavia saepiskoposo saydari, 

vidre ar iqneba gamorCeuli 

axali patriarqi. 

_ es faqti, rom sxva marTlmadidebel 

eklesiebSi ar arse- 

bobs msgavsi instituti, ra 

Tqma unda, kiTxvebs warmoSobs 

imis Sesaxeb, Tu saidan Cndeba 

is saqarTvelos eklesiaSi? 

_ sainteresoa, rom 1917 wels 

saeklesio debulebaSi Cndeba 

ucnauri gansazRvra, rom „Tbileli 

mitropoliti, rogorc 

kaTolikosis uaxloesi adgilobrivi 

mRvdelmTavari, aris 

mosaydre kaTolikozisa”. maSin 

Tbileli mitropoliti leonide 

ganisazRvra kaTolikosis 

mosaydred. metic, Tavad mosaydreobis 

instituti iseTi absurdi 

da erTgvari neli moqmedebis 

naRmia, rom man saqarTvelos 

eklesiis TviT gamoCenil 

mwyemsmTavrebs Sorisac gaaCina 

bzarebi, magaliTad kirionsa da 

leonides Soris; mizezi martivia, 

_ rodesac arsebobs cocxali 

patriarqi da mis gverdiTaa 

cocxali mosaydre, nebsiT 

Tu uneblieT, iqmneba orxelisuflebianobis 

gancda, rac 

upirvelesad Tavad am pirovnebebs, 

Semdeg ki saeklesio sisavses 

azianebs. 

am terminisa da institutis 

damkvidrebis momenti burusi- 

Taa moculi. masze pasuxi ar 

arsebobs, Tumca aSkaraa, rom 

misi fesvebi rusuli saeklesio 

cxovrebidan momdinareobs. aqedan 

moyolebuli, mkvidrdeba 

es araswori termini da instituti 

qarTul saeklesio sinamdvileSi, 

ris mixedviTac yoveli 

patriarqisTvis misi mosaydrec 

ganisazRvreboda. Tumca 

unda iTqvas, rom mosaydris 

statusis mqoneni zogjer ikav- 

`bevri am qmedebaSi ruseTis faqtors xedavs, rom momavali patriarqi 

ruseTTan daaxloebuli piri iyos, miT umetes, rom saamiso mizezi arsebobs 

im rusuli gavlenebis gamo, romelsac saqarTvelos eklesia ganicdis. amis 

dasadastureblad saqarTvelos eklesiis delegaciis kretis wminda da did 

krebaze wausvlelobac sakmarisia, riTac Cvenma eklesiam aSkara mxardaWera 

gamoucxada ruseTis eklesiis boikots, rom aRaraferi vTqvaT ukrainis 

avtokefaliis Sesaxeb, roca saqarTvelos sapatriarqos warmomadgenlebi 

erTi erTSi imeoreben ruseTis eklesiis warmomadgenelTa argumentebs 

ukrainis avtokefaliis sawinaaRmdegod~ 

ebdnen sapatriarqo saydars da 

zogjer _ ara. sainteresoa, rom 

patriarq daviTis mosaydre iyo 

saqarTvelos axlandeli patriarqi 

da maSin cxum-afxazeTis 

mitropoliti ilia, rac 1977 

wlis 9 noembers aResrula, patriarq 

daviT mexuTis gardacvalebis 

Semdeg, sinodis sxdomaze. 

aqve aRvniSnavT, rom 1920 

wlis marTva-gamgeobis debulebaSi 

mosaydris gamorCeva kaTolikosis 

gardacvalebis Semdeg 

xdeba; aseve 1927 da 1937 wlebis 

marTva-gamgeobis debuleba- 

Si mosaydres patriarqis gardacvalebis 

an mZime avadmyofobis 

Semdeg gamoirCevdnen. amave 

debulebaSi weria, rom mosaydreoba 

uqmdeba, rodesac kaTolikos-patriarqi 

adgilzea. 

1995 wels marTva-gamgeobis 

debulebaSi ucnauri cvlileba 

Sedis: „sruliad saqarTvelos 

kaTolikos-patriarqis gardacvalebis, 

gadadgomis an sxva ise- 

Ti mizezis gamo, romelic Seu- 

Zlebels xdis kaTolikos-patriarqisaTvis 

Tavisi movaleobebis 

Sesrulebas, kaTolikospatriarqis 

mier dadgenili sapatriarqo 

taxtis mosaydre marTavs 

eklesias axali kaTolikos-patriarqis 

arCevamde”. rogorc 

vxedavT, debulebaSi „sapatriarqo 

taxtis mosaydre” 

weria, Tumca patriarqis 2017 

wlis 23 noembris brZanebaSi 

meufe Sios „patriarqis mosaydred” 

daniSvnas vxvdebiT. Seusabamoba 

aSkarad saxezea. Tumca 

piradad me, did gansxvavebas 

ver vxedav „sapatriarqo taxtis 

mosaydresa” da „patriarqis mosaydres” 

Soris, radgan orive 

SemTxveva winaaRmdegobaSia marTlmadidebeli 

eklesiis kanonebTan. 

_ davakonkretoT, ra winaaRmdegobebia 

1995 wlis mar- 

Tva-gamgeobis debulebis IV 

Tavis me-4 punqtSi, romelze- 

dac apeilreb? 

_ es muxli SeusabaobaSi modis 

ara mxolod saqarTvelos 

eklesiis wina wlebis marTvagamgeobis 

debulebebTan, aramed 

marTlmadidebeli eklesiis 

kanonikur normebTanac, ker- 

Zod, antioqiis krebis 23-e kanoni 

imperatiulad ganaCinebs, 

rom episkoposs ar aqvs ufleba, 

Tavis nacvlad daadginos 

sxva vinme, TviTon aRsasruls 

miaxloebulic rom iyos. „Tu 

vinme msgavs rasme Caidens, es 

daniSvna daumtkicebeli iqneba... 

episkoposis daniSvna ar 

SeiZleba sxvanairad, Tu ara 

krebis mier da episkoposTa Ta- 

Tbiris Sedegad, romlebsac 

aqvT ufleba, gardacvlilis 

nacvlad airCion vinme Rirsi 

saydrisa...” kanonistebis mier 

es kanoni Semdegnairad ganimarteba, 

_ Teodore balsamoni, 

antioqiis titularuli patriarqi 

ambobs, rom „episkoposs ar 

gaaCnia Tavis nacvlad episkoposad 

sxvisi dadginebis memkvidreobis 

micemis ufleba”. aristine: 

„episkoposma, Tavisi aRsasrulis 

win, ar unda daadginos 

Tavis monacvled episkoposi, 

vinaidan is, vinc episkoposad 

aris xeldasxmuli, eparqia- 

Ta episkoposebis mieraa dadgenili. 

Tuki episkoposi aRsasrulis 

win Tavis nacvlad sxvas 

daadgens, amiT memkvidreobis 

kanoni mtkicdeba, maSin rodesac 

RvTis eklesia arasdros 

unda gadaeces memkvidres”. ioane 

zonara: „episkoposTaTvis 

ar aris daSvebuli maTze daqvemdebarebul 

eklesiebSi, Tavis 

adgilze, Tavis surviliT, sxvebi 

daadginos. vinaidan maT, 

romelTac ufleba ar gaaCniaT, 

rom episkoposobis dros dagrovili 

qoneba _ garda qonebisa, 

romelic mSoblebisgan memkvidreobiT 

gadaecaT, rogorc 

ambobs karTagenis 33-e kanoni _ 

visac moesurvebaT imas dautovon, 

aseve, rogorc gadascemen 

Tavad episkoposobas sxvas, Ti- 

Tqos maT samoZRvro Zalauflebisa 

da RaribTa qonebis mar- 

Tvis memkvidreobas utoveben. 

amrigad, Tuki vinme raime msgavss 

moimoqmedebs, maSin kanonis 

ZaliT aRsrulebulic ar 

aris marTali da aRmsrulebelic 

ganyenebas eqvemdebareba; 

vinaidan, dadgenilia, rom 

episkoposebi krebaTa mier dgindebian”. 

netari avgustines cxovreba- 

Si erT Zalian saintereso moments 

vkiTxulobT. saqme is 

aris, rom hipos berZeni episkoposi 

moxucebuli iyo, laTinurad 

ver qadagebda da eparqiis 

marTva uWirda, amitom 

Tanamosaydred avgustine gamoarCia. 

Tumca iqve weria, rom es 

SecdomiT gaakeTa, radgan ar 

icnobda msoflio krebaTa dadgenilebebs, 

romelic msgavs 

moqmedebas krZalavda. 

_ rogorc aRniSne, axali 

patriarqis gamorCevis sakiTxi 

pirdapir saarCevno proce- 

duras ukavSirdeba. maSin raRa 

saWiroa patriarqis sicocxle- 

Si mosaydris gamorCeva, romlis 

funqcia, mxolod da mxolod, 

saarCevno komisiis Ta- 

vmjdomareobaa _ saero enaze 

ceskos Tavmjdomareoba. gana, 

amas patriarqis gardacvalebis 

Semdeg sinodi ver SeZleb- 

da? ra motivebi arsebobda 

mosaydris dasaxelebisa da 

dadgenisa? 

_ motivebi aris gardacvaleba 

an gadadgoma, an is mizezebi, 

romelic SeuZlebels xdis ka- 

Tolikos-patriarqisTvis Tavisi 

movaleobebis Sesrulebas. 

dasaxelebuli mizezebidan arc 

erTi araa saxeze, rac imas niSnavs, 

rom sapatriarqo taxtis 

mosaydris dadgenisTvis samar- 

Tlebrivi mizezi ar arsebobda. 

amitomac vambobT calsaxad, 

rom zogadad, kanonikuri samarTlis 

mixedviT, patriarqis 

sicocxleSi mosaydris dasaxelebas 

aranairi samarTlebrivi 

safuZveli ar gaaCnia, miT umetes, 

rom es faqti erT saydarze 

ukve ori episkoposis arsebobas 

uSvebs, rac, rogorc zemoT aRvniSneT, 

pirveli msoflio krebis 

merve kanonis uxeSi darRvevaa. 

amitomacaa, rom yvela mar- 

Tlmadidebeli avtokefaliuri 

eklesiis debulebis Tanaxmad, 

adgilis mcveli da ara mosaydre, 

aqtiurdeba mxolod patriarqis 

gardacvalebis an gadadgomis 

Semdeg. 

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`Tu oqruaSvili damnaSavea, 

„Tu 2015 wlis 13 ivniss axal- 


gazrdoba bunebriv stiqias ebr- 

Zoda, wels, 20 ivniss, axalgazrd- 

ebi politikur stiqias SeebrZolnen da sakuTari qveynis 

Rirseba daicaves! amitom 20 ivnisis Semdeg sruliad axali 

politikuri procesi daiwyo”, _ acxadebs ana rexviaSvili, romelic 

„gamarjvebuli saqarTvelos” erT-erTi lideri da, zo- 

gadadac, qarTuli politikis sruliad axali saxea. 

marTalia, politika ucxo namdvilad 

ar aris _ wlebis ganmavlobaSi 

evrostruqturebSi moR- 

vaweobda, amasTan, dedamisi, 

nestan kirTaZe, cnobili politi- 

kosia, magram, miuxedavad amisa, 

sainteresoa, ratom gadawyvita 

anam politikaSi CarTva maincdamainc 

axla da maincdamainc irakli 

oqruaSvilTan erTad? _ 

„qronika+”-ma anasTan saubari, ra 

Tqma unda, am TemiT daiwyo. 

_ ana, politikaSi erTob 

rTul dros CaerTeT da pirda- 

pir oromtrialSi aRmoCndiT. 

irakli oqruaSvilis gverdiT 

dadgoma ratom gadawyviteT? 

_ me, Tqven da iraklic, praqtikulad, 

erTi Taobis warmomadgenlebi 

varT. 

_ diax, asea. 

_ yvelaferi, rac aqamde iyo, 

erTad vnaxeT da gaviareT, amitom 

minda, rom saqarTveloSi postrevoluciur 

viTarebas, aseve 

maSindel liderebs Tvali gavusworoT 

da sworad SevafasoT. 

_ kargi, SevafasoT. 

_ maSindeli liderebidan erTerTi 

yvelaze gamokveTili irakli 

oqruaSvili gaxldaT, romelic, 

albaT, dameTanxmebiT, rom mxolod 

lideri ar iyo, anu im 

drois saqarTveloSi, Tavisi mkacri 

xasiaTiTa Tu principulobiT, 

erT-erTi yvelaze gavleniani politikosi 

iyo, Tumca yvelafer 

amis miuxedavad, maSinac vaRiarebdi 

da axlac vaRiareb, rom irakli 

oqruaSvili mizanmimarTuli 

da Sedegze orientirebuli politikosia. 

sxvaTa Soris, piradad Tqven 

Zalian kargad mogexsenebaT, rom 

Cemi saqmianobis mniSvnelovani 

wlebi ucxoeTSi gavatare da zustad 

vici, saqarTveloSi maSin 

ganxorcielebuli reformebis 

gamo dasavleTi rogori aRtacebulic 

iyo. am reformebis erTerTi 

mniSvnelovani ganmaxorcielebeli 

ki swored irakli 

oqruaSvili gaxldaT. 

_ SeiZleba, magram, ana, ar unda 

daviviwyoT, rom es reformatori 

oqruaSvili jariskacebs aginebda, 

Tqveni mogebuli omis deda- 

co. aseve isic gvaxsovs, okupant 

ruseTs fekaliebiT rom emuqreboda 

da, paralelurad, iqadneboda, 

axal wels cxinvalSi SevxvdebiTo. 

amasac Tavi rom dav- 

aneboT, oqruaSvili is pirveli 

revolucioneri iyo, romelmac 

Zaladobis damkvidreba daiwyo _ 

jer iyo da, bordelSi Sevarda, 

mere _ bondo Salikianis saxlSi. 

mokled, SeiZleba, ukanonobas 

ebrZoda, magram ukanonobasTan 

ZaladobiT brZola normaluria? 

_ simarTle giTxraT, velodi, 

rom am kiTxvas damisvamdiT da 

yvelaferi es, ra Tqma unda, Zalian 

kargad maxsovs, magram ar dagvaviwydes, 

rom maSin postrev- 

oluciuri periodi iyo da is 

liderebic revoluciis produqtebi 

iyvnen! saerTod, revolucia 

konstituciidan gasvlaa, anu 

revoluciis dros saubari kanonebze 

ki ara, ideebis garSemo Seqmnil 

situaciazea. Sesabamisad, es 

adamianebic raRac postrevoluciur 

eiforiaSi imyofebodnen da, 

cxadia, gadacdomebic iyo da Zaladobac... 

rasac axla getyviT, ar 

vici, visTvis misaRebi iqneba da 

visTvis _ ara, magram zustad vici, 

rom Zalian bevri kiTxvis miuxedavad, 

am adamianebma SeZles, rom 

postsabWoTa „gruzia” Tanamedrove 

evropul „jorjiad” eqciaT! 

diax, maT Tanamedrove evropuli 

saxelmwifo Seqmnes da es CemTvis 

Zalian mniSvnelovania! 

_ ana, postsabWoTa „gruzia” 

evropul „jorjiad” „vardosneb- 

is” xelisuflebam aqcia. Cven ki 

oqruaSvilze vsaubrobT. 

_ oqruaSvili im xelisuflebis 

nawili da, weRandeli Tqmisa ar 

iyos, revolucionerebs Soris 

erT-erTi gavleniani lideri iyo! 

ise, ar vici, sazogadoebam icis 

Tu ara, magram Ss saministroSi 

vmuSaobdi. 

_ oqruaSvilis ministrobis 

dros? 

_ ara, ara, giorgi mRebriSvilis 

dros da SemiZlia giTxraT, 

rom bolo wlebis erT-erTi yvelaze 

warmatebuli patrulis reformaa, 

romelic vano merabiSvils 

miewera, Tumca es tyuilia! 

patrulis reforma swored oqruaSvilis 

Ss ministrobis dros gatarda. 

es CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania, 

radgan am instituciiT 

saqarTvelom momavlisken 

yureba da iqidan gamosvla daiwyo, 

sadac manamde viyaviT! 

mokled, Tu yvelafer amas sworad 

ganvsjiT, Cemi arCevani Zalian 

mkafio da principulia _ mec da, 

zogadad, oqruaSvilis yvela Tanagundelma 

zustad icis, rom es 

axali saqarTvelos politikuri 

procesia da am avangardSi Cven 

oqruaSvilTan erTad vdgavarT! 

_ ana, vis gverdiT idgebiT, es, 

rasakvirvelia, Tqveni arCevania, 

magram weRan TqviT, oqruaSvil- 

ma da, zogadad, „vardosnebma”, 

postsabWoTa „gruzia” evropul 

„jorjiad” aqcieso. amaSi simarT- 

lis marcvali aris, magram 2010 

wels maSindelma xelisuflebam 

faruli Canawerebi gaavrcela, 

romliTac gamoikveTa, rom „oqros” 

rus samxedroebTan pirda- 

piri Tu iribi kavSiri hqonda. 

amasTan, isic cnobilia, rom par- 

izSi cxovrebis dros Tqveni 

lideri rusuli telearxebis 

xSiri stumari iyo. yvelafer 

amaze ra pasuxi gaqvT? 

_ yvelafer amas siRrmeSi ar 

Cavyvebi. 

_ ratom? 

_ oqruaSvilis yvela Secdomas 

ana rexviaSvili: 

`maSin 

postrevoluciuri 

periodi iyo da is 

liderebic 

revoluciis 

produqtebi iyvnen!~ 

vaRiareb, magram swored warsulze 

CabRauWeba momavlisken siarulis 

saSualebas ar gvaZlevs, anu 

Tu mxolod warsulze vilaparakebT, 

isev iq mivalT, saidanac 

daviwyeT, Tan imazec SevTanxmdeT, 

rom arc erTi politikosi fr- 

Tiani angelozi ar aris da verc 

iqneba! aqedan gamomdinare, Ti- 

Toeuli Cvengani Zalian xamamaRali 

an xmadabali SecdomebiT movdivarT, 

Tumca giTxariT da kidev 

geubnebiT: piradad CemTvis amosavali 

wertili is iyo da aris, 

rom am adamianebma, maT Soris, irakli 

oqruaSvilmac, romelic Tafli 

da muraba namdvilad ar aris, 

Cemi qveynis realoba Secvales. amitomac 

me iq var, sadac Cemi qveynis 

momavalia da ara _ warsuli! 

kidev erT rames getyviT: oqruaSvili, 

sxva danarCeni politikosebisgan 

gansxvavebiT, is iSviaTi 

gamonaklisia, romelmac zustad 

icis, Tavisma politikurma bedma 

ra amocanebisa da pasuxismgeblobis 

winaSe daayena! 

_ keTili, magram oqruaSvilma 

erT mdinareSi Sesvla meored 

gadawyvita, anu 2007 wlis msga- 

vsad inga grigolias skandaluri 

interviu misca da ramdenime dRe- 

Si daapatimres. axla grigolias 

eTerSi warmoudgeneli ambebi ga- 

moamzeura da samarTaldamcve- 

lebmac miakiTxes. mokled, bevrs 

da, maT Soris, mec politikuri 

deJavius gancda gagviCnda. 

_ iciT, ra xdeba? _ yvelaferi 

es mTlad igive ar iyo, Tumca Cemi 

gadasaxedidan oqruaSvilma ivaniSvili, 

RaribaSvili, SoTaZe da 

sxva adamianebi amxila, anu isev iq 

mivdivarT, saidanac daviwyeT: xe- 

`cudi droa - diplomatiuri kalendari imis 

saSualebas ar gvaZlevs, rom mobilizebulad 

yvela davayenoT fexze, magram strategiuli 

gegma SevimuSaveT da dagegmili gvaqvs, rom 

saqmis kursSi CavayenoT strasburgi, briuseli, 

vena da vaSingtoni, anu dadasturebuli 

TariRebi ukve gvaqvs, roca yvelaferi es 

saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobamde miva, magram 

axlave SeiZleba imis Tqma, rom diplomatebs 

Zalian bevri kiTxva aqvT da yvela imaSia 

darwmunebuli, raSic saqarTvelos mTeli 

sazogadoeba, anu oqruaSvili ivaniSvilis 

piradi mZevali da patimaria!~ 

lisuflebaSi isini movidnen, romelTa 

imedic mTel saqarTvelos 

hqonda, magram maRalCinosnebi 

zustad ise iqcevian, rogorc 2012 

wlamde. aqedan gamomdinare, oqruaSvilis 

gulwrfel aRiarebas 

Tundac imitom mivesalmebi, rom 

yvelaferi is, razedac ilaparaka, 

sxva dros aRar ganmeordes! 

is gamowveva, romlis winaSec 

dgas, vfiqrob, raRac doziT irakli 

oqruaSvilis reabilitaciaa! 

_ simarTle giTxraT, ar mes- 

mis, reabilitacia ra SuaSia. 

amasTan, yvelam vicodiT, rom 

daWera gardauvali iyo da, sain- 

teresoa, safrangeTidan ratom 

dabrunda? 

_ es oqruaSvilis dagegmili 

viziti iyo, anu ganacxada, am dros 

mivdivar da am dros ukan davbrundebio. 

amasobaSi, SeuTvales, 

saqarTveloSi ar Camoxvide, Torem 

dagiWerTo. sxvaTa Soris, irakli 

safrangeTSi rom wavida, socialur 

qselSi viRacebi werdnen, 

ai, gaqceuli liderio, magram 

oqruaSvili gaqceuli ar iyo da, 

rogorc Tqva, dabrunda, Tumca 

dabrunebamde ori dRiT adre misi 

dacvis wevri daapatimres, rac 

pirdapiri provocireba iyo. 

_ risi? 

_ imisi, rom an misi Camosvla 

daeCqarebinaT, an saerTod ar 

Camosuliyo da mere eTqvaT, ai, 

xedavT, aRar dabrundao. sxvaTa 

Soris, am Temaze gvisaubria da 

oqruaSvilma icoda, rom misi daWeris 

riski arsebobda _ ivaniSvilis 

mimarT Seurigeblobas Tavi 

rom davaneboT, „rusTavi 2-Tan” 

dakavSirebiT mocemuloba swored 

man amoatriala. 

mokled, saqarTveloSi Camosuli 

oqruaSvili sasamarTloSi midis, 

sadac mec viyavi da gamokiTxva 

zustad 15 wuTi grZeldeba. ise, 

Tu saWiro iyo, SeeZloT, iqve 

daekavebinaT, magram gamokiTxvaze 

konkretuli araferi yofila. 

ramdenime dRis Semdeg ki viTareba 

Seicvala. 

saerTod, roca am Temebze 

vsaubrobT, yvelaferi detalurad 

unda gavixsenoT, anu jer 

pirdapiri da daufaravi Seteva 

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mec damnaSave var!~ 

anakliis portze ganxorcielda, 

erTi dRis Semdeg ki dartyma 

„rusTavi 2-ze” miaqvT da uceb, 

oqruaSvils apatimreben. 

_ e. i., ana, am sam movlenas 

Soris kavSirs xedavT? 

_ ra Tqma unda. 

_ neba momeciT, ar dageTanxmoT, 

radgan igive anakliaze Seteva 

20 ivnisis movlenebamde dai- 

wyo. oqruaSvils ki swored imaSi 

sdeben brals, rom „gavrilovis 

Rames” jgufur Zaladobasa da 

saxelmwifo gadatrialebis mcde- 

lobaSi monawileobda. 

_ ki batono, anakliaze Seteva 

ramdenime Tvis win daiwyo, magram 

krizisi bolo dros gaRrmavda _ 

xazaraZe-jafariZe ports Camoa- 

Sores. paraleluri dartyma ganxorcielda 

„rusTavi 2-ze”, anu im 

telekompaniaze, romelic anakliis 

proeqtis pirdapiri lobistia. 

_ ana, momiteveT, magram 

faqtebi ar davamaxinjoT, anu 

imis Tqma minda, rom „rusTavi 2- 

ze” Seteva „ocnebam” ki ar miitana, 

gadawyvetileba evrosasa- 

marTlom gamoitana. 

_ gasagebia, magram isic xom 

vnaxeT, evrosasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis 

gamotanidan zustad 

erT saaTSi rac moxda _ xalvaSi 

raRac Tavis uflebebs ibrunebs. 

paralelurad, cnobili xdeba e. w. 

oqruaSvilisa da „rusTavi 2"-is 

qeisi, romelzec sarCeli SevitaneT 

da ramac realoba amoatriala. 

mokled, mTeli aurzauri daiwyo 

_ xalvaSis xelmoweraze sami 

eqspertizis daskvna gviWiravs, 

romelic mowmobs, rom xelmowera 

namdvilia. isic zustad viciT, 

rom am xelmoweris namdvilobaze 

samxarauls daskvna aqvs, magram ar 

asajaroebs, radgan masze ormagi 

wnexia, anu erTi wnexi xelisuflebisaa, 

meore ki _ kanonis. 

Tvaurma zustad icis, rom gayalbebuli 

daskvna sisxlis samaTlis 

kodeqsiT isjeba. 

_ ana, mTel am ambavSi, Cemi 

aziT, kidev erTi sakanonmdeblo 

kazusia, kerZod, igive braldeba 

nika meliasac wauyenes, romelic 

ar daapatimres da samajuri ak- 

mares, oqruaSvili ki cixeSi 

gauSves. amas riT xsniT? 

_ xelisufleba amas verafriT 

gaamarTlebs da drois gayvanas 

cdilobs, anu im masalebSi, rac 

warmoadgina, mxolod raRac wiTeli 

isari Cans. gamoZieba ambobs, 

oqruaSvili parlamentTan 30-kaciani 

razmiT iyo misulio. arada, 

am „razmSi” Cvenc varT _ aTi adamiani. 

diax, Cven, yvelani parlamentis 

win dilis 7 saaTamde viyaviT. 

Sesabamisad, Tu oqruaSvili 

damnaSavea, mec da yvela sxva adamianic, 

vinc iq idga, damnaSavea! 

erTi sityviT, gamoZiebas arafrismTqmeli 

videos garda araferi 

aqvs. aseve arsebobs samarTaldamcvelTa 

SeTiTxnili Cvenebebi da 

es Cvenebebi, rogorc gavigeT, 24 

ivnissaa micemuli. yvelafer aqedan 

gamomdinare, xelisufleba Cix- 

Sia. sxvaTa Soris, imis Sesaxeb, rac 

SigniT xdeba, informaciac gvaqvs. 

amitom agoniaSi arian da cdiloben, 

rogorme dro gawelon, 

Tan „rusTavi 2-is” saqmec gaugonar 

krizisSi Sedis da zustad 

vici, es krizisi ekranis CaqrobiT 

òqruaSvilis yvela Secdomas 

vaRiareb, magram SevTanxmdeT, rom 

arc erTi politikosi frTiani 

angelozi ar aris da verc iqneba!~ 

da „rusTavi 2-is” daxurviT dam- 

Tavrdeba! amasobaSi ki ekonomika 

Tavze gvemxoba da yvelaferi es 

logikurad ver gagrZeldeba. 

_ „gamarjvebul saqarTvelo- 

Si”, rogorc cnobilia, saerTa- 

Soriso urTierTobebs kurirebT. 

ana, ucxoeli partniorebi oqru- 

aSvilis daWeraze ras amboben? 

_ cudi droa _ diplomatiuri 

kalendari imis saSualebas ar gva- 

Zlevs, rom mobilizebulad yvela 

davayenoT fexze, magram strategiuli 

gegma SevimuSaveT da dagegmili 

gvaqvs, rom saqmis kursSi 

CavayenoT strasburgi, briuseli, 

vena da vaSingtoni, anu dadasturebuli 

TariRebi ukve gvaqvs, 

roca yvelaferi es saerTaSoriso 

Tanamegobrobamde miva, magram axlave 

SeiZleba imis Tqma, rom diplomatebs 

Zalian bevri kiTxva 

aqvT da yvela imaSia darwmunebuli, 

raSic saqarTvelos mTeli sazogadoeba, 

anu oqruaSvili ivaniSvilis 

piradi mZevali da patimaria! 

_ ivaniSvils oqruaSvilis mZe- 

vlad ayvana risTvis sWirdeba? 

_ ar vici, es SeiZleba, misi agoniiT 

an SiSiT aris gamowveuli! 

_ ise, ana, gamoricxavT, rom 

istoria isev ganmeordes da 

oqruaSvilma, romelsac poli- 

tikur patimrad acxadebT, 2007 

wlis msgavsad, sakanSi aRiarebi- 

Ti Cveneba misces da yvelaferi, 

rac Tqva, uaryos? 

_ diax, amas sruliad gamovricxav! 

sxvaTa Soris, riskebi 

da xifaTebi arsebobs da Cvenc 

yvelanair versias ganvixilavT, 

magram amis miuxedavad, is, rac 

2007 wels vixileT, gamoricxulia! 

irakli oqruaSvili yvelanair wnexs 

gauZlebs imitom, rom dRes absoluturad 

sxva realoba da 

mocemulobaa! 

_ socialur mediaSi, rogorc 

Tvali movkari, daiwera, sapyro- 

bileSi oqruaSvili SesaZloa, 

mowamlono. Tqvenc am xifaTze 

mianiSnebT? 

_ detalurad ar vici, ra Sei- 

Zleba moxdes, magram es rigiTi 

sisxlis samarTlis saqme araa, arc 

oqruaSvilia rigiTi patimari da 

amitom SesaZlebelia, rom nebismieri 

suraTi ganviTardes. Sesabamisad, 

rogorc ki gavigeT, rom 

patimrobaSi datoves, saxalxo 

damcvels SevxvdiT, romlis warmomadgenlebmac 

irakli imave 

Rames moinaxules... xifaTebze informacia 

Signidanac gvaqvs. 

_ anu xelisuflebisTvis 

oqruaSvili ufro saSiSia, vidre 

_ melia? 

_ nika melias mimarT, ra Tqma 

unda, Zalian did pativiscemas 

gamovxatav _ misi Sinapatimroba 

igive cixis tolfasia, anu aseTi 

`saerTod, revolucia konstituciidan 

gasvlaa, anu revoluciis dros saubari 

kanonebze ki ara, ideebis garSemo Seqmnil 

situaciazea. Sesabamisad, es adamianebic raRac 

postrevoluciur eiforiaSi imyofebodnen da, 

cxadia, gadacdomebic iyo da Zaladobac... 

rasac axla getyviT, ar vici, visTvis misaRebi 

iqneba da visTvis - ara, magram zustad vici, 

rom Zalian bevri kiTxvis miuxedavad, am 

adamianebma SeZles, rom postsabWoTa `gruzia~ 

Tanamedrove evropul `jorjiad~ eqciaT! diax, 

maT Tanamedrove evropuli saxelmwifo 

Seqmnes da es CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania!~ 

energiuli politikosi politikur 

procesebs CamoSorebulia, 

Tumca irakli oqruaSvilTan yvelaferi 

„rusTavi 2-is” qeisma gaamZafra. 

_ cnobilia, rom gamouvali 

mdgomareoba ar arsebobs. hoda, 

Seqmnili viTarebidan oqruaSvili 

da, Sesabamisad, xelisufle- 

bac rogor unda gamovides? 

_ diax, gamouvali mdgomareoba 

ar arsebobs. saerTod, irakli 

oqruaSvili damoukideblad ar 

ganixileba da igive diplomatiur 

korpuss yvela politpatimris 

qeisze velaparakebiT, anu mTavaria, 

es adamianebi cixidan rogorme 

ganTavisufldnen da xelisuflebam 

Tavisi farsi gamoZieba ise 

gaagrZelos. mosamarTlem da 

prokurorma, TavianTi ususuroba 

rom daefaraT, jer procesi 

daxures, mere ki is gadawyvetileba 

gamoitanes, romelic winaswar 

yvelasTvis cnobili iyo. ar vici, 

aseTi ram adamianma rogor unda 

aitanos da moiTminos! zogadad, 

xelisuflebas, adre Tu gvian, mxolod 

imis ki ara, rom politpatimrebi 

hyavs, aramed sxva bevri 

ramis aRiareba mouwevs. 

_ amas ris safuZvelze am- 

bobT? 

_ qveyanaSi arsebuli krizisi 

ufro da ufro gaRrmavdeba da 

gamwvavdeba. diax, qveyana CixSia da 

yvelaferi Tavze Camogvengreva, 

magram vimedovneb, xelisufleba- 

Sic aris iseTi vinme, vinc gons 

moegeba! 

_ naTqvamia, zogi Wiri marge- 

beliao. hoda, yvelaferi es, 

razedac vsaubrobT, oqruaSvilsa 

da mis „gamarjvebul saqarTve- 

los” e. w. mesame Zalad xom ar 

aqcevs? 

_ ase ar ganvixilav, mesame Zala 

vinme gaxdeba Tu ara, magram „gamarjvebuli 

saqarTvelos” prezentacia 

16 ivniss iyo da Tve-naxevarSi 

oqruaSvili xelisuflebisTvis 

saSiSi gaxda! amas, ar mgonia, 

kidev ramis damateba sWirdebodes. 

am qveynisTvis irakli 

oqruaSvilis saWiroeba sazogadoebam, 

mgoni, Zalian kargad dainaxa 

da momavalSi kidev ufro 

metad dainaxavs! 

_ „gamarjvebuli saqarTvelo” 

saSiSi mxolod xelisuflebisTvisaa 

Tu opozicis nawil- 

isTvisac? 

_ ar vici... saSiSs ver vityvi, 

Tumca opoziciisTvis „gamarjvebuli 

saqaTvelo”, albaT, ufro 

gamowvevaa. sxvaTa Soris, opoziciis 

Zalian didi mxardaWera gvaqvs 

_ 24 saaTi TanamSromlobis 

reJimSi varT, Tumca Tu Sors 

wavediT, aravin icis, ra iqneba. 

_ „Sors wasvlaSi” ras gulisx- 

mobT? 

_ Tundac arCevnebs, Tumca manamde 

didi droa. dRes ki opozicias 

madlobas vuxdi, radgan am 

dReebSi srul Tanadgomas 

vgrZnobT! 

_ Tanadgomas bokerias gun- 

disganac grZnobT? 

_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, bokeriam 

da ugulavam gancxadebebi gaakeTes, 

rac oqruaSvilis mimarT 

solidarobis dasturia. 

_ ana, emociebis gareSe rom 

mipasuxoT: „rusTavi 2" imad Rirda, 

rom oqruaSvili cixeSi wa- 

suliyo? 

_ ra Tqma unda. saerTod, yvelaferi 

Rirs, roca saqme Tavisufal 

sityvasa da qveyanas exeba! 

„rusTavi 2-is” daxSobiT Tavisufali 

sityva ixSoba! 

„rusTavi 2" erTaderT SemTxvevaSi 

ar Caqreba _ Tu Tavis realur 

mesakuTres, irakli oqruaSvils 

daubrundeba, romelic 

„rusTavi 2-s” ar ganixilavs, 

rogorc komerciul da bizneskompanias, 

aramed rogorc Tavisuflebisa 

da damoukideblobis garantsa 

da platformas. 

metic, irakli oqruaSilma 

ramdenjerme gaakeTa gancxadeba, 

rom „rusTavi 2-is” dabrunebisTanave 

mas sakuTrebaSi „rusTaviorelebs” 

gadascems, rogorc sazogadoebriv 

sikeTes, romelic 

kvlav gaagrZelebs Tavisuflebis 

medroSeobas saqarTvelosa da, 

saerTod, mTel regionSi! 

_ ki batono, „rusTavi 2" 

flagmania, magram am qveyanaSi 

Tavisufal sityvas veravin Caax- 

Sobs, radgan yvelafers Tavi rom 

davaneboT, arsebobs „qronika+”! 

mokled, politikuri vertikali, 

mgoni, Secdomas uSvebs, roca 

Tavisufali sityvis damcvelad 

mxolod erT mediasaSualebas 

acxadebs! 

_ politikuri vertikali diferenciacias 

yovelTvis axdens. 

ubralod, „rusTavi 2" mudam 

yuradRebis qveS iyo da es saqme 

gaxmaurebulia! ise, me Tu mkiTxavT, 

„ruTavi 2-ma” Tavisi resursi 

amowura, anu is saqme Seasrula, 

rac unda Seesrulebina, Tumca, ra 

Tqma unda, mivesalmebi, rom am 

arxma funqcionireba ise gaagrZelos, 

rogorc aqamde funqcionirebda! 

_ bolos, ana, rogor fiqrobT, 

saqarTvelo gaimarjvebs? 

_ dRes saqarTvelos sindisi, 

samwuxarod, arc erTi pirovneba 

araa, magram, sabednierod, dRes 

saqarTvelos sindisi ivnisis Taobaa, 

orive ivniss vgulixmob _ 13- 

sac da 20-sac. Tu 13 ivniss axalgazrdoba 

bunebriv stiqias ebrZoda, 

20-Si axalgazrdebi politikur 

stiqias SeebrZolnen da 

sakuTari qveynis Rirseba daicves! 

amitom 20 ivnisis Semdeg sruliad 

axali politikuri procesi 

daiwyo. Cveni dRevandeli da xvalindeli 

dRec swored es aris! 

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amjerad sapatriarqoSi arsebul 

or viTarebas mivapyrob Tqvens yuradRebas. SesaZloa, vinmes mo- 

eCvenos, rom erTi meoresTan kavSirSi ar aris, Tumca... 

pirdapir daviwyoT ramdenime 

umniSvnelovanesi faqtiT. daimaxsovreT 

_ kaTrTagenis 33-e kanonis 

mixedviT, episkoposebs ufleba 

ar gaaCniaT, rom episkoposobis 

dros dagrovili qoneba (garda qonebisa, 

romelic mSoblebisgan memkvidreobiT 

gadaecaT) visac moesurvebaT, 

imas dautovon. aq saubaria 

imaze, rom episkoposobis dros 

dagrovili qoneba SeuZlebelia, 

memkvidreobiT gadaeces episkoposis 

ojaxs (gaiTvaliswineT: am rangis 

sasuliero pirs colis yolis 

ufleba ar aqvs), saaxloblos an 

romelime kerZo pirs. am qonebis 

memkvidreobiT gadacema ar SeiZleba 

sxva episkoposisTvis. Sesabamisad, 

erTmniSvnelovnad SegviZlia 

vTqvaT, rom episkoposis mier „dagrovili” 

qoneba warmoadgens eklesiisa 

da qveynis, saxelmwifos 

kuTvnilebas. 

yuradsaRebi da gasaxsenebeli 

faqti imaTTvis, vinc amis Sesaxeb 

araferi icis da arc smenia: „patriarq 

eferem meoris gardacvalebis 

Semdeg saqarTvelos sapatriarqo 

gaiqurda da dRemde dadgenilic 

ki ar aris, ra unikaluri 

nivTebi Tu saganZuri gaayoles 

xels qurdebma. jer kidev maSin 

saubari iyo imaze, rom „cixe Signidan 

gatyda...”, anu qurdoba Tavad 

sapatriarqoSi daigegma da garedan 

Semosulebma imaze bevrad mcire 

ram waiRes, vidre SigniT myofebma. 

ubralod, es qurdoba „maT” 

sWirdebodaT naqurdalis Camosawerad. 

iyo erTi mniSvnelovani detali: 

zustad veravin ambobda, ra 

moipares. anu, realurad, moparuli 

nivTebi arc ki iyo aRricxuli 

mciredi nawilis garda. 

kidev erTi yuradsaRebi gare- 

moeba: zemoT aRniSnul faqtze da 

ara mxolod amaze, aramed eklesia- 

Si arsebul viTarebaze, arsebobs 

saqarTvelos pirvel prezident 

zviad gamsaxurdias sakmaod vrceli 

publikacia, romelic” saqarTvelos 

moambeSi” gamoqveynda da sadac 

zustad aris asaxuli eklesia- 

Si im periodSi mimdinare procesebis 

uamravi angarebiTi motivi. 

amjerad Tavs ar SegawyenT am publikaciidan 

vrceli citatebis 

moyvaniT, magram saqarTvelos mar- 

Tlmadidebeli eklesiis im epoqis 

„saxismetyvelebis” sworad gasagebad 

urigo ar iqneba, dainteresebuli 

pirebi gaecnon am publikacias, 

gansakuTrebiT axalgazrda 

da progresuli RvTismsaxurebi, 

romelTaTvisac sakmaod Znelia im 

viTarebasTan Segueba da axsnac ki, 

rac dRes eklesiis wiaRSi xdeba 

saqarTvelos sapatriarqos meSveobiT. 

aqve gagaxsenebT, rom dekanozi 

nikita TalakvaZe, romelic saka- 

Tolikoso sabWos wevri iyo da 

sruliad saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqis 

arCevnebis dros 

xmis damTvleli komisiis Tavmjdomare, 

romelmac pirvelma gamoacxada 

axlad aRdgenili qarTuli 

eklesiis meTaurad kaTolikos-patriarqi 

kirion II, Tavis dRiureb- 

Si imis Sesaxeb wers, rom saqarTvelos 

sapatriarqo misi uwmindesobis, 

patriarq kirion II-is gardacvalebis 

Semdegac gaiZarcva. 


mokled, ase! rogorc Teologi 

goCa barnovi ganmartavs, _ erTaderTi 

memkvidreoba, rac episkoposis 

uflebamosilebaSi Sedis, aris 

samociqulo memkvidreoba, rac 

qristesmieri gamocxadebis WeSmaritebis 

Sesaxeb swavlebasa da tradicias 

gulisxmobs. sxva ram memkvidreobis 

gadacemis SesaZlebloba 

episkoposs ar gaaCnia, miT umetes, 

rom trulis msoflio krebis 

me-12 kanonis Tanaxmad, episkoposs 

ekrZaleba colosnoba. 

amavdroulad, es sulac ar 

gulisxmobs imas, rom episkoposs 

ekrZaleba ganaviTaros memkvidreobiT 

miRebuli biznesi an Seqmnas 

axali da amaze zedmetad nu vidavebT. 

Tumca Tu „qarTul saeklesio 

normebs” gaviTvaliswinebT, 

episkoposebis umetesoba erTi eparqiidan 

meoreSi gadasvlis dros 

eparqiisTvis Seqmnil biznessa da 

ara mxolod pirads, meore eparqia- 

Si eqaCeba, rac sruliad anomaliaa. 

anomaliaa is, rom saepiskoposoebi 

ar arian iuridiuli pirebi da garda 

eklesia-monastrebisa ar da ver 

axdenen sakuTari qonebis aRricxvas, 

rac swored imis saSualebas 

iZleva, ar moxdes saeklesio da 

piradi qonebis gamijvna. magram 

axla am sakiTxs nu ganvavrcobT da 

karTagenis 33-e kanonis fargleb- 

Si davubrundeT erT metad saintereso 

sakiTxs (aqve isic gavixsenoT, 

rom mimdinare wlis TebervalSi 

„qronika+”-Si gamoqveynebul 

publikaciaSi aRniSnulia, _ saqar- 

Tvelos marTlmadidebeli eklesia 

aris yvelaze mdidari institucia 

saqarTveloSi da misi qoneba mxolod 

zedapiruli daTvlebiT 25 

miliard aSS dolars aRemateba. 

magram es sakiTxic calke davtovoT). 

maS, ase! sakiTxis mTavari arsi 

_ rogor fiqrobT, patriarqobis 

40 wlis ganmavlobaSi ra odeno- 

bis saCuqari miiRo saqarTvelos 

kaTolikos-patriarqma ilia meorem, 

rogorc saqarTvelos ek- 

lesiis meTaurma? saCuqrebi oficialuri 

delegaciebisgan, saxelmwifosgan, 

kompaniebisgan, kerZo 

pirebisgan, moZme eklesiebisgan, sxvadasxva 

konfesiis warmomadgenlebisgan 

da a. S. sxvadasxva saxis 

nakeToba oqro-vercxlad, Zvirfasi 

TvlebiT mooWvili samkaulebi 

da sxvadasxva nivTi, mitrebi, jvarpanagiebi, 

xatebi da sxva antikvariati. 

Cemi da ara mxolod Cemi 

informaciiT, patriarqs aqvs Zvel 

qarTul xelnawerTa koleqciac, 

romelsac mecnierebs ar akareben 

da sruliad Seuswavlelia. antikvarul 

nivTebTan erTad patriarqisTvis 

gadacemulia sxvadasxva 

Tanamedrove unikaluri samkauli 

da nakeToba, mxatvruli tiloebi. 

yvela nivTisa Tu dasaxelebis CamoTvla 

Cem mier SeuZlebelia, 

konkretul nivTze ki ar vsaubrob, 

aramed saxeobebze. 

da aq yvelaze mTavari kiTxvebi 

_ iciT, rom am saganZuris oficialuri 

aRicxva ar arsebobs? 

isic, rom maT Sesaxeb ificialur 

informaciebs aravin amJRavnebs? 

iciT, rom arsad ar aris am milionobiT 

dolaris Rirebulebis 

reestri? iciT, rom am nivTebis 

ìsic cnobilia, rom ukve ruseTma sapatriarqo 

taxtze meore kandidaturac SearCia, 

romelmac, rogorc amboben, moskovs piroba 

misca, rom ukrainis avtokefalias 9 

mRvdelmTavari uWers mxolod mxars da 

sakiTxi Cavardebao~ 

ratom arRvevs 

sapatriarqo 

karTagenis 33-e 

kanons da vin 

gaxdeba 

quTaTel- 

gaenaTeli? 

`saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli eklesia aris 

yvelaze mdidari institucia saqarTveloSi da 

misi qoneba mxolod zedapiruli daTvlebiT 

25 miliard aSS dolars aRemateba~ 

auditi arasodes Catarebula? vimeoreb, 

maT Soris, saubaria uamrav 

istoriul nivTze, saganZurze, 

oqroze, Zvirfas Tvlebze, xelTuqmnel 

nakeTobebze, xelnawerebze, 

mxatvrul Sedevrebze... 

simarTle giTxraT, sapatriarqos 

mavani Cinosnis reputaciis 

gaTvaliswinebiT, sulac ar gamikvirdeba, 

rom bevri ram ukve mitacebuli 

Tu ganiavebuli an gasxvisebuli 

iyos. magram mTlianoba- 

Si am saganZuris usistemod arseboba, 

aRuricxveloba ufro did 

eWvebs badebs, _ xom ar emzadeba sapatriarqos 

mavani jgufi am qonebis 

misataceblad an ukve xom ar 

aris ganawilebuli da saTanado 

dros xom ar elodebian? 

vimeoreb: patriarqisTvis naCuqari 

arc erTi nivTi ar warmoadgens 

samemkvidreo Rirebulebas 

misi ojaxis wevrebisTvis. nebismieri 

saCuqari gakeTebulia rogorc 

saqarTvelos eklesiis saWeTmpyrobelisTvis 

da is saqarTvelos 

saxelmwifo saganZuris nawilia. 

maSin ratom ar aris Sedgenili 

am nivTebis reestri? ratom ar arsebobs 

sajaro informacia maT Sesaxeb? 

ratom ar aris gakeTebuli 

am saganZuris oficialuri Sefaseba? 

amitom sapatriarqom da sinodma 

keTili unda inebos da am nivTebis 

auditi, aRricxva moaxdinos. 

amisTvis sinodi da sapatriarqo 

unda gascdes sakuTar saeklesio 

farglebs da masSi unda CaerTon 

finansistebi, xelovnebaTmcodneebi, 

istorikosebi, xelnawerTa institutis 

warmomadgenlebi da a. S. 

es procesi unda daiwyos Zalian 

swrafad, raTa isev ar ganmeordes 

patriarqebis kirion II-isa da efrem 

II-is gardacvalebis Semdeg sapatriarqos 

gaqurdvis faqtebi da 

nurc erTi RvTismsaxuri nu ityvis, 

rom es SeuZlebelia. SeuZlebeli 

ratom? imitom, rom ar viciT, 

realurad, ra saganZurzea 

saubari da Tu daikarga, miT ufro, 

ra gvenaRvleba? 

aqve dgeba erTi umniSvnelov- 

anesi sakiTxic: aravisTvis aris 

dasamali, rom „cianidis skandali” 

realurad misi uwmindesobis ojaxis 

wevrebis klanebis mier qonebis 

gayofas moyva. am klanis wevrebma 

CaiTries uamravi persona am skandalSi 

(nu momayolebT patriarqis 

erTma ZmisSvilma meore rogor ar 

miuSva ojaxis wevris saflavTan, 

swored am skandalidan gamomdinare). 

oqro-vercxlis moyvareoba 

da fufuneba SiolaSvilebisTvis, 

raRac etapze, RmerTze did 

prioritetad iqca. amitom am 

erovnuli saganZuris datacebis 

hopoTeturi SesaZlebloba maTac 

aqvT da ara mxolod maT. realurad, 

am qonebis Sesaxeb srulyofili 

informacia sapatriarqoSi 

mxolod erT adamians _ matriarq 

Sorena TeTruaSvils aqvs da ai, aq 

kidev meti sifrTxile gvmarTebs, 

rom am saganZuris mniSvnelovani 

nawili erT dRes moskovis sapatriarqos 

sacavebSi an kerZo pirebis 

xelSi ar aRmoCndes. 

axla ki erTi friad mniSvnelovani 

informaciis Sesaxeb, romelsac 

me ver vadastureb, magram 

vflob da minda gagiziaroT. aseve 

mis gadasamowmeblad mivmarTav 

saqarTvelos prokuraturas da sagamoZiebo 

uwyebebs. erT-erTi versiiT, 

ramdenime wlis win mis uwmindesobas, 

saqarTvelos eklesiis 

saWiroebisTvis, parizis gareuban- 

Si aCuqes saxli (bina), romlis 

Rirebuleba im periodisTvis sam 

milion evros Seadgenda. simarTle 

giTxraT, es ar aris didi qoneba 

safrangeTis sazomiT, magram arc 

umniSvneloa. rogorc informacia 

momawodes, es saxli imTaviTve gadaformda 

patriarqis dacvis imJamindel 

ufros ioseb oxanaSvilze. 

anu, relurad, qonebis ganmkargveli 

patriarqis ZmisSvili, meufe 

dimitri gaxda. vimeoreb: es ar gaxlavT 

mtkicebiTi formis informacia, 

amitom saWiroebs gadamowmebas, 

gamoZiebas an am adaminebs es 

Wori unda moSordes, an es qoneba 

dauyovnebeliv unda gadaeces 

saqarTvelos marTlmadidebel eklesias. 

am etapze me maqvs patriarqisTvis 

saCuqrad gadacemuli sxvadasxva 

nivTis arasruli sia, romelsac 

Segnebulad ar vaqveyneb, magram 

davelodebi konkretul qmedebebs 

sinodisa da sapatriarqos mxridan, 

raTa Tavidan iqnas acilebuli nebismieri 

saxis insinuacia da qurdoba 

datacebis an im saganZuris memkvidreobiT 

gadacemis faqtebi, 

romelsac am droisTvis saqarTvelos 

patriarqis kuTvnileba hqvia, 

realurad ki saqarTvelos marTlmadidebeli 

eklesiis sakuTrebas 

warmoadgens. 


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ager ukve meramdene welia, 

xSirad gaigoneb, xSirad waikiTxav, rom qveyana ki ara, qve-yana 

varT. sxvaTa Soris, es im wlebis win, pirvelad swored „qron- 

ika+”-is furclebze daiwera, magram amjerad amaze ar vwerT. 

imaze vwerT, rom eg ambavi ukve Zvelia, anu rogorc ilarioni 

ityoda, magi ianvris gazeTSi ewera, axla kidev Tebervalia. 

axali ambavi ki isaa, rom es qveyana qveyanac aRaraa, ukve yars 

da, Sesabamisad, yarsyanaa. 

Rrmadmeocnebe ikiTxavs, _ mainc, 

ratom yarso? yars imitom, 

rom yvela Waobi yars da yvela qveyana 

Waobia, sadac ki diqtatura 

ikidebs fexs. Tan ase iolad da 

Zaldautaneblad. 

sazogadod, es qveyana xom paradoqsebis 

dedamSobelia. aq gaveSebulebi 

diqtators eZaxdnen im mixeil 

saakaSvils, romelmac arCevnebSi 

marcxi polaroidis siswrafiT 

aRiara da daTmo xelisufleba. 

da diqtaturaze krints ar 

Zraven axla, roca es brZeni kaci 

swored polaroidis siswrafiT 

iWers politikur liderebs Tu aqtivistebs. 

anu realurad rasTan gvaqvs 

saqme? erTi mxriv, imasTan, rom 

biZina ivaniSvili mizanmimarTul- 

nac ki safrTxes moelis. aCumebs 

medias, aSinebs sazogadoebas _ da 

sazogadoeba, opoziciis CaTvliT, 

amas uTvlis sisusted. 

saerTod, safrTxis abuCad agdeba 

„nacionalebis”, ufro sworad, 

dRevandeli evsaqebis Semotanili 

modaa. swored dRevandelma 

evsaqebma daamkvidres Sefaseba 

„uniaTo” am xelisuflebasTan 

mimarTebiT. wlebi dagvWirda imis 

samtkiceblad, rom uniaToebi ki 

ara, mavneblebi iyvnen da arian am 

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi. 

Zalian martivad vTqvaT da davubrundeT 

ZiriTad saTqmels: am 

xelisuflebam, praqtikulad, araferi 

gaakeTa garda imisa, rom 

TviTon kargs svamen, kargs Wamen, 

karg xelfasebs iReben, karg pre- 


aferi aqvs saerTo gamWriaxobasTan. 

biZina ivaniSvili ki ar sustdeba, 

mizanmimarTulad, bejiTad da 

nabij-nabij kidev ufro imyarebs 

poziciebs. aqamde mas ar sWirdeboda 

es sadamsjelo RonisZiebebi. 

jer xalxs kvebavda ocnebebiT, imediT, 

mere Warbi ndoba rom Semoaklda, 

ocneba da imedi xaxv-kartofiliT 

Caanacvla, axla xvdeba, 

rom ndobac gamlRvalia, imedic _ 

gamqrali, misi reitingic _ daZmarebuli 

da mas ar rCeba sxva gza 

garda imisa, rom ukve sadamsjelo 

RonisZiebebi da sazogadoebaSi 

SiSi gaaZlieros. 

swored am konteqstSia gansaxilveli 

20 ivnisis ambebi. xelisufleba 

gvabolebda, rom Zala gamoiyena, 

radgan safrTxe iyo myisieri, 

rom parlamentSi iWrebodnen 

da a. S. am dros saqmeSi edoT 

uwyveti kadrebi da Semdeg Tavadve 

misces nika melias, saidanac mSvenivrad 

Cans _ ra dros daiwyes 

srola, roca amis aranairi safr- 

Txe ar iyo. anu ratom atexes srola 

camowmendilze? ratom isrodnen 

damiznebiT? imitom xom ara, 

procesze, aramed sadRac kafeteriaSi. 

Tavidan kupravas dapatimreba 

quCis procesebisgan mis CamoSorebas 

isaxavda miznad, axla ki 

ukve sxvebis dasaSinebel RonisZiebad 

transformirda. 

sruliad sxva SemTxvevaa nika 

melias samajurdeba, oqruaSvilis 

cixeSi gamoketva. ivaniSvili civi 

gonebiT aneitralebs yvelas, vinc 

raime safrTxes uqmnis mas. magram 

es srulebiTac ar niSnavs imas, rom 

ivaniSvilisTvis panaceaa yvelas 

cixeSi gamoketva. piriqiT, yvelam 

davinaxeT, rom mas sulac ar epitnaveba 

saakaSvili qarTul cixeSi. 

piriqiT, amaze abarZgvalebs, amis 

panikuradac ki eSinia. ivaniSvilis 

amocana yvelas cixeSi Seyra ki ara, 

swored safrTxeebis ganeitralebaa. 

da asea 2012 wlidan moyolebuli. 

nawili cixeebSi gamoamwyvdia, 

nawili qveynidan gaaqcia. mas 

safrTxes uqmnida saakaSvilis ara 

sazogadod gareT yofna, aramed 

qveyanaSi, xalxTan yofna, swored 

amitom misTvis sruliad komfortulia 

da sakmarisia, saakaSvili ar 

SemouSvas qveyanaSi. qveyanaSi Camousvlelad, 

cxadia, SeuZlebelia 

mnan, vinc es sajarod ganacxada, 

aramed arc sxvam. da im sxvam 

icodes, rom masac igive bedi moelis, 

Tu moiwadinebs opoziciuri 

arxis Seqmnas. 

rac Seexeba „rusTavi 2-s”, romlis 

saredaqcio politikac, jerjerobiT, 

ucvlelia, amiT biZina, 

erTi mxriv, keklucobs, rom demokratia 

da, meore mxriv, moTminebiT 

elis „rusTavi 2-is” daiss. 

swored es moTmineba cxadyofs, 

rom mas aranairi nervi ar Ralatobs. 

maxvil yurs moxvdeboda 

„rusTavi 2-is” axali direqtoris 

mier ramdenjerme naTqvami fraza, 

_ saredaqcio politika ucvlelia, 

yvelaferi keTdeba ise, rogorc 

Jurnalistebs miaCniaT sworad... 

ai, swored aqaaa is vir Tu zebraeSmakoba... 

diax, dRevandel Semadgenlobas 

ase miaCnia da arc uSlian, 

magram... saqme isaa, rom male daiwyeba 

swored Jurnalistebis Canacvleba... 

ukve bevrs laparakoben finansur 

problemebze. Semdegi 

nabiji, albaT, xelfasebis katastrofulad 

Semcireba iqneba. bevri 

iZulebuli gaxdeba, datovos 

kompania. viRac, albaT, jinaze ram- 

yarsyana 

ad aneitralebs yvela liders, visganac 

ki safrTxes elis da am daWerebiT, 

darbevebiT Tu Tvalebis 

TxriT iWers meore kurdRels _ 

aSinebs sazogadoebas; meore mxriv 

ki imasTan, rom sazogadoeba, maT 

Soris, opoziciuri partiebi Tu 

opoziciurad ganwyobili sxvadasxva 

jgufi saTanadod ver afasebs 

Seqmnil viTarebas. „saTanadod ver 

afasebs”, _ rbili naTqvamia, Tu 

CavazustebT, ufro mwared mogviwevs 

Tqma, _ adekvaturad ver 

afaseben im safrTxes! 

rodesac biZina ivaniSvilma samajuri 

daado nika melias, rodesac 

daiWira irakli oqruaSvili, 

rodesac girao Seufardes xazaraZes, 

rodesac dedaliviT amoiRliava 

„rusTavi 2", gangaSis 

zarebi ki ar daarisxa vinmem, piriqiT, 

yvelam erTi da igive narativi 

Camoatara xaSlamasaviT, _ ai, 

biZina ivaniSvils nervebma umtyuna, 

es daWerebi misi sisustis niSania, 

ivaniSvili agoniaSia, dasasruli 

daiwyo da a. S. da a. S. 

didi ilia ityoda, _ agangala, 

gangala! dasasruli ki ar daiwyo, 

qveyanaSi diqtatura iwyeba, lafi 

gxvdebaT, Tqven iwmendT da gaiZaxiT, 

if, ra JuJuna wvimaao. 

Tqveni ambavi imas magonebs, 

erTi kaci meores manam rom eZaxda 

cvedans, sanam im meorem qaliSvili 

ar dauqala da 9 Tvis Tavze xelSi 

nabiWvari ar auWyavla. iZaxeT, _ 

agoniaSia, sustia, dasasruli daewyoo 

da amasobaSi ki svams duSaSiviT 

im „rasklads”, romelic awyobs. 

aneitralebs yvela liders, visga- 

mia-danamatebs, korufciaSic kargad 

banaoben da srasaxlebic kargad 

wamoiWimes. qveyanas arafers 

ukeTeben, xalxs arafers ukeTeben 

da Zalauflebasac gadasarevad 

inarCuneben. arafers akeTeben da 

buzsac veravin ufrens da eseni 

arian uniaToebi Tu swored isini, 

romlebmac amaT uniaTo daarqva? 

qveyana korufciis Waobidan amoaTries, 

saxelmwifo aaSenes, jari 

jarad Seqmnes, patruli _ patrulad, 

gza gzas daamsgavses, qalaqebi 

_ qalaqebs da... da ra? 9 wlis 

Tavze iseTi panCuri moxvdaT saxeSi, 

RranWi dRemde ver gaaswores. 

zogi cixeSia, zogi _ devnilobaSi, 

zogi _ sad da zogi _ sad da esaa 

niaTis qona? 

davubrundeT ZiriTad saTqmels 

da dReis gasaWirs: dResac 

igive xdeba. dResac isev abuCad 

vigdebT safrTxes da vambobT, rom 

biZinas nervebma umtyuna, biZina 

dasustda, biZina mTavrdeba. 

ki, namdvilad yvela diqtatura 

sabolod ganwirulia da bolos 

fiasko gardauvalia. diax, droebiTia, 

magram es droebiToba sulac 

ar niSnavs imas, rom ha da ha, 

biZina liriviT atirdeba yvelasgan 

mitovebuli. xSirad diqtatura 

raRac periodi aris instrumenti 

Zalauflebis SesanarCuneblad, 

metic _ gasaZliereblad da aravi- 

Tar SemTxvevaSi araa apriori arc 

sisuste, arc dasasrulis mauwyebeli. 

safrTxis abuCad agdeba da araseriozulad 

Sefaseba, rbilad 

rom vTqvaT, infantilizmia da ar- 

rom xalxSi swored SiSi daeTesaT? 

im wuTas xelisuflebas safrTxe 

ar emuqreboda, magram am xelisuflebam 

gadasarevad icis, rom 

aucileblad daemuqreboda (da 

daemuqreba) da Tadarigi daiWira, 

prevencias mimarTa da amieridan 

yvelas ecodineba, rom msgavs saprotesto 

mRelvarebaSi monawileoba 

SeiZleba Tvalis Cinad daujdes 

an cixeSi gamomwyvdevad. cxadia, 

amis gamo yvela ar dafrTxeba, 

magram Zalian bevri dafiqrdeba, 

uRirs Tu ara am riskze wasvla? 

swored amitom esrodnen damiznebiT, 

swored amitom daapatimres 

aqciis ocamde monawile. 

diax, Tundac es ricxvi miu- 

TiTebs imaze, rom maTi dapatimreba 

saCvenebeli, Wkuis saswavlebeli 

RonisZiebaa da ara kanonis aRsruleba! 

ra, im mravalaTasian aqciaSi 

marto es 20 kaci iqnevda 

xel-fexs? Tu xalxi policiaze 

iwevda, es xalxi sul es 20 kacia? 

aqedanac Cans, rom es yvelaferi 

(daWerebi da manam darbeva _ Tvalebis 

TxriT) gakeTda ara imwuTieri 

safrTxis gasaneitraleblad, 

aramed im momavali safrTxeebis 

gasaniorwyleblad, romelic am xelisuflebas 

elis. gaTvla arc ise 

usafuZvloa. vimeoreb: yvela amiT 

ar dafrTxeba, magram bevri dafiqrdeba 

aqciebze wasvlis win _ uRirs 

Tu ara Tavisuflebis an TvalisCinis 

dakargvad protestis 

gamoxatva? 

swored amave konteqstSia gansaxilveli 

kupravas dasja mosamarTlis 

ginebisTvis. oRond ara 

revoluciuri talRis agoreba. 

icis es Worvilelma dendma da 

rogorRac itans saakaSvilis onlain 

Tu teleSturmebs sxva qveynebidan. 

igive xdeba melias SemTxvevaSi, 

Tavidan ki surda misi cixeSi gamomwyvdeva, 

magram dainaxa ra sazogadoebis 

protesti, mixvda, rom 

sulac ar uRirda amaze wasvla, 

radgan arc sWirdeboda. misTvis 

sakmarisi iyo, melia Caexsna procesebidan 

da amitomac aukrZales 

mas xalxisTvis mimarTva aqciebze. 

misTvis arc televiziiT mimarTva 

aukrZalavs vinmes, arc socqselebiT. 

cocxali kontaqti aukrZales 

xalxTan da Semdeg amis uzrunvelsayofad 

samajuric daades da 

Sinac gamoketes. ivaniSvilisTvis 

melia safrTxes qmnida _ xalxTan 

kotaqtiT. 

sxva situaciaa oqruaSvilis 

SemTxvevaSi. oqro „oqros mowmea” 

da bevri pikanturi detalis gaxseneba 

SeuZlia da daiwyo kidec 

teleeTerebSi amis gaxseneba. garda 

amisa, man sasamarTlos mimarTa 

da ivaniSvils safrTxe daemuqra, 

rom xelidan gamoglijos is („rusTavi 

2"), rac Zlivs daiTria! amitomac 

gadauketa gza sasamarTlosken 

da televiziebisken. amisTvis 

iyo saWiro misi cixeSi da ara saxlSi 

gamomwyvdeva. misi Sin gamoketviT 

am safrTxeebs Tavidan ver aicilebda. 

amave tipisaa misi bolo manevrebi 

gvaramiasa Tu sxvaTa mimarT. 

yvelafers akeTebs imisTvis, rom 

axali televizia araTu maT ar Seq- 

denime Tve darCeba kidec, magram 

gardauvlad daiwyeba Canacvlebis 

procesi. is axali Jurnalisti mova 

da sxvanairad, anu xelisuflebisTvis 

komfortulad moindomebs 

ambebis gaSuqebas. rames rom ityvi, 

gamova salia da getyvis, _ Jurnalisti 

ase xedavs, ase aSuqebs da ra 

xdeba, mis saredaqcio TavisuflebaSi 

ereviTo? Jurnalistma gadawyvita 

aseo... raRac periodi ar 

gagikvirdeT, rom eTerSi gverdigverd 

gavides xelisuflebis 

mamxilebeli da Semdeg amave xelisuflebis 

maamebeli siuJetebi. 

Semdeg ki nela-nela mxolod maameblebi 

darCeba... 

mokled, qveyana putinizaciis 

gzas adgas, diqtaturisken mivjliginebT 

da viRacebi sisusted 

uTvlian amas baton biZinas. sxvas 

Sinagani rwmena aqvs, rom diqtaturas 

veRar daamyarebs, raki xalxma, 

miT umetes, Tavisufleba ukve 

igema. 

mokled, imedi Tu imedovneba 

or ZiriTad saxeze daiyvaneba: 

1) nabiji diqtaturisken sisuste 

da dasasrulis dasawyisia. am 

logikiT, putinis meseri cxrajer 

unda iyos gadaRebili. kim Cen inisac; 

2) Tavisufleba nagem xalxTan, 

miT ufro, axal TaobasTan, diqtatura 

ar gamova. am logikiT, arc 

iranSi unda gamosvloda rame aia- 

Tola homeins, magram... 

mokled, safrTxis abuCad 

agdebiT safrTxe ar farCakdeba da 

arc neitraldeba. 

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am da sxva mniSvnelovan Te- 

mebze „qronika+~ politolog 

gia nodias esaubra: 

_ batono gia, gavrilovis 

vizitis Semdeg politikuri 

procesebi daCqarebuli tempe- 

biT viTardeba, ra politikuri 

fasis gadaxda mouwia „qarTul 

ocnebas” „gavrilovis Ramis” 

Semdeg da am movlenebma Seiy- 

vana Tu ara qveyana CixSi? 

_ TavisTavad Zalian saintereso 

SemTxveva vixileT. gasagebia, 

rom erTgvarad emociuri 

reaqcia iyo ara imdenad gavrilovis 

vizitze, aramed imaze, 

rom xelisuflebam Casva is parlamentis 

spikeris savarZelSi. 

aravin eloda, rom amas aseTi 

seriozuli Sedegebi mohyveboda. 

am faqtamde iTvleboda, rom 

xelisuflebas sanerviulo maincdamainc 

araferi aqvs, saprezidento 

arCevnebi da Sualeduri 

arCevnebic yvelgan moigo. xalxi 

SeiZleba bednieri ar iyo, magram 

„qarTul ocnebas” safrTxe arsaidan 

emuqreboda, magram uceb 

gavrilovis vizitze reaqciam 

yvelaferi Seatriala. ZiriTadi 

iyo is, rom TiTqos axali socialur-politikuri 

Zala gamoCnda, 

anu gavrilovis vizitze 

reaqcia mxolod opoziciis reaqcia 

ar yofila, xelisuflebas 

unda, rom es opoziciis reaqciad 

warmoadginos, magram es iyo 

mZafri sazogadoebrivi reaqcia. 

aman karti mTlianad aria qveyanaSi, 

_ erTi mxriv, gamoaCina xelisuflebis 

sisuste, meore 

mxriv ki ruseTis sisuste saqarTveloSi. 

bevrs vsaubrobdiT 

ruseTis e. w. rbil Zalaze, aRmoCnda, 

rom maincdamainc mZlavri 

ar yofila es rbili Zala. 

qveyanaSi ruseTis, rogorc saxelmwifos 

sawinaaRmdego ganwyoba 

sakmaod Zlieria da SeiZleba, 

amis garSemo adamianebis mobilizeba 

moxdes, rasac xelisufleba 

ar fiqrobda. mmarTvel 

gundSic da ruseTSic egonaT, 

rom ruseTis sawinaaRmdego ganwyobebi 

aris „nacionaluri mo- 

Zraobis” Tema, romelic mxolod 

„nacionaluri moZraobis” momxreebisTvis 

aris emociurad mni- 

Svnelovani da mxolod maTi 

mobilizacia SeiZleba am Temis 

garSemo. aRmoCnda, rom es ase ar 

yofila. ZiriTadi strategiuli 

Sedegebi es aris da amis fonze, 

rac jerjerobiT yvelaze mniSvnelovani 

moxda, xelisuflebis 

dapirebaa proporciul sistemaze. 

ukve gaCnda kidec SiSi, apirebs 

Tu ara xelisufleba am 

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`20-ma ivnisma xelisuflebaSi 

saqarTveloSi bolo periodSi 

saqarTveloSi bolo periodSi 

nene injgia 

politikuri procesebi iseTi 

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traeqtoriiT moZraobs, rTulia 

prognozis gakeTeba, Tu rogor 

miva qveyana 2020 wlis saparlamento arCevnebamde. erTi ram 

cxadia, _ „gavrilovis Ramem” yvelaferi Tavdayira daayena. 

ra politikuri fasis gadaxda mouwia „qarTul ocnebas” 

gavrilovis vizitiT? rogoria ivaniSvilis politikuri 

strategia da ras Secvlis mmarTveli gundisTvis ivaniSvilis 

premier-ministrad dabruneba? 

dapirebis Sesrulebas, magram 

Tu vigulisxmebT, rom es dapireba 

Sesruldeba, maSin principulad 

sxva politikur situaciaSi 

varT. Tu jerjerobiT 

arsebuli sistemiT 2020 wlis 

arCevnebs, didi albaTobiT, „qarTuli 

ocneba” moigebda, yovel 

SemTxvevaSi, es ganwyoba sazogadoebaSi 

iyo, proporciuli sistemis 

SemTxvevaSi arsebobs realuri 

Sansi, rom opoziciam 

arCevnebi moigos an minimum „qarTulma 

ocnebam” marto rom moigos 

arCevnebi, amis Sansi mcirea. 

ase rom, ganwyoba qveyanaSi 

principulad Secvlilia, magram 

rac bolo 2-3 kviris ganmavlobaSi 

xdeba, es imiT aris ganpirobebuli, 

rom xelisuflebam Tavisi 

sisuste gaiazra da kontrSetevaze 

gadmovida. cdilobs 

aCvenos, rom is aris Zlieri da 

mowinaaRmdeges ar epueba, am yvelafriT 

ki sakuTar momxreebs 

amxnevebs. 

_ proporciul sistemaze 

gadasvlasTan dakavSirebiT, 

rogor fiqrobT, ratom ar aq- 

tiurobs opozicia? 

_ xelisuflebam ise mkafiod 

daafiqsira, rom is proporciul 

sistemaze gadasvlas apirebs, 

TiTqos ukve jibeSi gvidevs 

es proporciuli sistema da 

opoziciamac garantirebulad 

CaTvala. jerjerobiT, aseTi 

ganwyoba rCebaT, Tumca is riggareSe 

sxdoma, romelic ivlisis 

bolos unda Catarebuliyo, ar 

Catarda, magram amas ar gamouwvevia 

iseTi SeSfoTeba, rogoric 

SeiZleboda gamoewvia. 

_ am mocemulobidan gamom- 

dinare, ramdenad logikuria 

vifiqroT, rom opozicias ar 

awyobs proporciuli sistema, 

miT ufro, bunebrivi barieris 

pirobebSi? 

_ bunebrivi barieri, cxadia, 

ivaniSvilis xrikia, iseve rogorc 

blokebis akrZalva. ra Tqma 

unda, wamyvani opoziciuri partiebi 

amas negatiurad Sexvdnen, 

magram miiCnies, rom proporciul 

sistemaze gadasvla didi da 

mniSvnelovani warmatebaa, radgan 

xelisufleba aiZules, am 

nabijze Tanxmoba ganecxadebina. 

maTTvis gasagebia, rom yvelafers 

ver miaRwevdnen, Tavs zemoT 

Zala ar aris da biZina ivaniSvilis 

gundi Tuki proporciul 

sistemaze gadasvlas dasTanxmda, 

isinic maTTvis momgebiani 

pirobebiT dasTanxmdebian. ar 

mgonia, romelime opoziciur partias 

awyobdes arsebuli sistemiT 

arCevnebis Catareba, proporciul 

sistemasTan SedarebiT. 

_ prokuraturam 16 754 000 

milioni aSS dolaris odenobis 

ukanono Semosavlis faqtze ma- 

muka xazaraZesa da badri jafariZes 

„Tibisi bankis” saqmeze 

brali wauyena da maT 700 000 

girao Seufarda. rogor fiqr- 

obT, aris Tu ara es faqti xaz- 

araZis, rogorc momavali pol- 

itikuri lideris, ganeitralebis 

mcdeloba da ra perspeqtiva 

aqvs mas politikaSi mosv- 

lis SemTxvevaSi? 

_ sanam xazaraZe politikuri 

moZraobis Seqmnis Sesaxeb gancx- 

gia nodia: 

`baxtaZem darbevamde 15 wuTiT adre ganacxada, 

rom rezinis tyviebi maTi xelwera ar aris, 

Tumca 15 wuTSi aqciis darbeva daiwyo. es 

niSnavs, rom baxtaZes aravin arafers ekiTxeba. 

aseTi mniSvnelovani gadawyvetileba miiRes, es 

miiRo gaxariam, cxadia ivaniSvilTan 

SeTanxmebiT, magram premierTan SeTanxmeba 

azradac ar mosvlia. e. i. ivaniSvils awyobs es 

viTareba, rom realurad gaxaria gacilebiT 

Zlieri politikuri figuraa, vidre baxtaZe. 

Tumca baxtaZes premier-ministri hqvia, 

gaxarias - Ss ministri~ 

`SiSi xandaxan 

agresias badebs. 

imisTvis, rom es 

SiSi damalo, 

Setevaze unda 

gadaxvide~ 

adebas gaakeTebda, es saqme ukve 

manamdec hgavda angariSsworebas. 

SeiZleba, es ar iyo angariSsworeba 

xazaraZis, rogorc 

politikuri moTamaSis mimarT, 

radgan ar iyo xazaraZe politikuri 

moTamaSe, magram Canda, 

rom es iyo xazaraZis winaaRmdeg 

gamoCxrekili saqme. ver Sevafaseb, 

am saqmeSi rame darRveva 

saerTod aris Tu ara, magram 

fulis gaTeTrebasTan rom aranairi 

kavSiri ar aqvs, amaze, 

praqtikulad, yvela eqsperti 

saubrobs. ara maincdamainc opoziciasTan 

dakavSirebuli eqspertebi. 

aSkarad Canda, rom xelisuflebasa 

da piradad biZina 

ivaniSvils unoda xazaraZis 

gafuWeba. daavales kidec Sesabamis 

organoebs, rom rame kompromati 

epovaT xazaraZeze da 

es ipoves. es Tavidanve saeWvo 

saqme iyo _ xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi 

acxadeben, roca 

xazaraZem es gancxadeba gaakeTa, 

saqme ukve dawyebuli iyo, e. i. 

amasTan kavSiri ar aqvso, _ es 

argumenti maincdamainc Zlieri 

ar aris, radgan es saqme TeTri 

ZafebiT Sekerils hgavda. rac 

Seexeba xazaraZis politikaSi 

mosvlas, ratom moindoma maincdamainc 

axla, ar vici, SesaZloa, 

mis mimarT garkveulma devnam, 

rogorc TviTon Tqva, orkestrirebulma 

Setevam, ubiZga, rom 

politikaSi mosuliyo. politika 

erTgvari fari yofiliyo mis- 

Tvis an SeiZleba gabrazda, dasakargi 

arc araferi hqonda da 

CaTvala, rom es unda gaekeTebina. 

proporciuli arCevnebis 

perspeqtivis fonze xazaraZis 

politikaSi Semosvla „qarTuli 

ocnebisTvis” garkveul xifaTs 

qmnis. xSirad vsaubrobT, rom 

arsebobs gadauwyveteli amomrCevlis 

didi raodenoba, romlisTvisac 

miuRebelia „qarTuli 

ocneba” da „nacionaluri mo- 

Zraobac”, „evropuli saqarTvelo” 

cdilobs maT mizidvas, magram 

bevri maTganisTvis „evropuli 

saqarTveloc” miuRebelia. 

TiTqos es amomrCeveli politikurad 

upatronoa, viRacas 

unda miekedlos da xazaraZe Sei- 

Zleboda, gamxdariyo mizidulobis 

centri. es mxolod varaudia. 

gaaCnia, xazaraZe rogor 

moiqceva, vis daiyenebs gverdiT, 

rogor warmarTavs Tavis politikur 

saqmianobas, magram sastarto 

kapitali mas namdvili aqvs. 

proporciul arCevnebSi, roca 

SesaZloa, 5, 10 an 15%-s gadamwyveti 

mniSvneloba hqondes, xazaraZe 

xelisuflebisTvis saxifaTo 

politikuri figura gaxdeba. 

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SiSi warmoSva~ 

`rogorc "rusTavi 2- 

is" 

xelmZRvanelobisTvis 

iyo moulodneli 

strasburgis 

sasamarTlos 

gadawyvetileba, aseve 

xelisuflebisTvisac 

moulodneli iyo. 

SesaZloa, ramdenime 

dRiT adre gaiges am 

gadawyvetilebis 

Sesaxeb, magram 

arsebiTi strategia ar 

hqoniaT. amisTvis ar 

iyvnen mzad da axla 

fiqroben, ra gaakeTon~ 

`biZina ivaniSvilis erTgvari strategiaa, 

romelic SesaZloa oqruaSvilTan 

mimarTebiTac muSaobdes, rom adamiani an 

cixeSi unda Casva, an cixeSi Casmis perspeqtiva 

unda gauCino imisTvis, rom moelaparako. 

ivaniSvili cdilobs, yvelasTan moagvaros 

urTierToba, magram rodesac meore mxare 

jiutobs, misi sijiutis xarisxi mcirdeba, Tuki 

is cixeSi zis an emuqreba cixeSi Cajdoma. 

SesaZloa, amis Semdeg biZina ivaniSvilma 

scados da daalagos urTierToba mamuka 

xazaraZesTan~ 

_ im SemTxvevaSi, Tu xazaraZe 

politikaSi mova, aqvs Tu ara 

resursi, rom mesame Zala gax- 

des? 

_ jerjerobiT amis Tqma naadrevia. 

Cemi azriT, biZina ivaniSvilis 

erTgvari strategiaa, 

romelic SesaZloa oqruaSvil- 

Tan mimarTebiTac muSaobdes, 

rom adamiani an cixeSi unda Casva, 

an cixeSi Casmis perspeqtiva 

unda gauCino imisTvis, rom 

moelaparako. ivaniSvili cdilobs, 

yvelasTan moagvaros urTierToba, 

magram rodesac meore 

mxare jiutobs, misi sijiutis 

xarisxi mcirdeba, Tuki is cixe- 

Si zis an emuqreba cixeSi Cajdoma. 

SesaZloa, amis Semdeg biZina 

ivaniSvilma scados da daalagos 

urTierToba mamuka xazaraZesTan. 

albaT mas amis imedi 

aqvs. 

_ bolo periodSi gansaku- 

TrebiT aqtiurad iyenebs ivaniSvili 

am strategias, nika melia 

SidapatimrobaSia, oqruaS- 

vili _ cixeSi, raze metyvelebs 

es yvelaferi, oligarqi Tavs 

izRvevs Tu SeSinebulia? 

_ SiSi namdvilad aris. 20-ma 

ivnisma xelisuflebaSi SiSi warmoSva. 

SiSi xandaxan agresias 

badebs. imisTvis, rom es SiSi damalo, 

Setevaze unda gadaxvide. 

es aris ara ubralo emociuri 

kanonzomiereba, aramed politikuri 

strategiac. rodesac 

xelisufleba sustdeba da mis 

mimarT ndoba mcirdeba, misTvis 

xifaTs warmoadgens meryevi 

xalxi sakuTar rigebSi. wlis pirvel 

naxevarSi „qarTuli ocnebis” 

dasustebis yvelaze gamokveTili 

indikatori iyo is, 

rom xalxma „qarTuli ocnebidan” 

gaqceva daiwyo da sakmaod 

bevri adamiani wavida. garda amisa, 

sakmaod bevrze iyo saubari, 

rom isinic meryeobdnen. rodesac 

xalxi xedavs, rom misi gemi 

sustdeba da SesaZloa, uaxloes 

xanebSi CaiZiros, am CasaZiri gemidan 

wasvlas cdilobs. xelisuflebis 

agresiuli qmedeba 

swored amis prevenciisTvis 

aris _ dapatimrebebi, muqarebi, 

rom TiTqos magrebi arian, ar 

iZirebian. cdiloben, partiis 

wevrebs an momxreebs gaunelon 

sakuTari gundis dakarguli 

rwmena. 

_ „rusTavi 2-Tan” mimarTebiTac 

saubrobdnen xelisu- 

flebis interesebze, Tumca 

vxedavT, rom mas Semdeg, rac 

televizia qibar xalvaSs dau- 

brunda, saredaqcio politika 

ucvlelad darCa. rogor fiqrobT, 

xelisufleba etapobrivad 

Secvlis saredaqcio politikas 

Tu es marTla iyo sa- 

marTlebrivi dava qonebisTvis? 

_ Teoriulad ver gamovricx- 

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`bevrs vsaubrobdiT ruseTis e. w. rbil 

Zalaze, aRmoCnda, rom maincdamainc mZlavri 

ar yofila es rbili Zala. qveyanaSi ruseTis, 

rogorc saxelmwifos sawinaaRmdego ganwyoba 

sakmaod Zlieria da SeiZleba, amis garSemo 

adamianebis mobilizeba moxdes, rasac 

xelisufleba ar fiqrobda. mmarTvel gundSic 

da ruseTSic egonaT, rom ruseTis 

sawinaaRmdego ganwyobebi aris `nacionaluri 

moZraobis~ Tema, romelic mxolod 

`nacionaluri moZraobis~ momxreebisTvis aris 

emociurad mniSvnelovani da mxolod maTi 

mobilizacia SeiZleba am Temis garSemo. 

aRmoCnda, rom es ase ar yofila~ 

avT, rom qibar xalvaSi marTlac 

ibrZoda misi azriT samarTlianobis 

aRdgenisTvis da es iyo 

misi motivi, axla ki, ubralod, 

iqneba „rusTavi 2-is” mflobeli 

da es mediaorganizacia iqneba 

realurad damoukidebeli, _ 

amas ver gamovricxavT, magram es 

garkveul winaaRmdegobaSi Sedis 

bevr ramesTan: roca qibar 

xalvaSi „rusTavi 2-is” mflobeli 

iyo 2004-2006 wlebSi, yvela 

miiCnevda, rom is ar iyo kompaniis 

realuri mflobeli. maSindeli 

saredaqcio politika im- 

Jamindeli xelisuflebis maamebluri 

iyo, mkveTrad saxelisuflebo. 

xalvaSi ar Cans is adamiani, 

romelsac mediisadmi interesi 

aqvs. Tu CavTvliT, rom 

maSin xalvaSi iaraRi iyo imisTvis, 

raTa imis wina mflobelebisTvis 

waerTmiaT „rusTavi 2", 

axla ratom davijeroT, rom 

qibar xalvaSi damoukidebeli 

moTamaSe gaxda?! logikuria vivaraudoT, 

rom qibar xalvaSi 

ubralod biznesmenia, romelsac 

bizneswarmateba ainteresebs. 

imisTvis, rom misi biznesi warmatebiT 

ganviTardes, is karg 

urTierTobaSi unda iyos axlandel 

xelisuflebasTan, ase 

fiqrobs qarTveli biznesmenebis, 

albaT, 99%. is sanam kargad 

iyo wina xelisuflebasTan, am 

kargad yofnis nawili gaxldaT 

formalurad mis saxelze gadaformebuli 

„rusTavi 2". rac 

Seexeba imas, rom jerjerobiT 

„rusTavi 2-is” saredaqcio politika 

ar Secvlila, es Zalian 

saintereso movlenaa. sazogadoebaSi 

iyo gancda, rom meore 

dRidan Seicvleboda, Tumca ase 

ar moxda. am SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba 

ivaraudo, rom xelisuflebas 

ar unda metismetad aSkara gaxdes 

is faqti, rom „rusTavi 2- 

is” saqme Tavidanve politikurad 

iyo motivirebuli, saredaqcio 

politikis mkveTri cvlileba 

ki amis maCvenebeli iqneboda. 

maT surT, rom es cvlileba 

moxdes TandaTanobiT, TvalSi 

sacemi rom ar iyos. SesaZloa, 

maT ar hqondaT mkafio gegma, ra 

rogor unda gaekeTebinaT. rogorc 

„rusTavi 2-is” xelmZRvanelobisTvis 

iyo moulodneli 

strasburgis sasamarTlos gadawyvetileba, 

aseve xelisuflebisTvisac 

moulodneli iyo. Sesa- 

Zloa, ramdenime dRiT adre 

gaiges am gadawyvetilebis Sesaxeb, 

magram arsebiTi strategia 

ar hqoniaT. amisTvis ar iyvnen 

mzad da axla fiqroben, ra gaakeTon. 

isedac, rodesac axali 

mflobeli xar, aralogikuria, 

rom araferi Secvalo televiziaSi. 

magaliTad, sazogadoebriv 

mauwyebelze axali direqtori 

rom modis, Zvel gadacemebs 

xuravs, axals iwyebs da a. 

S. nika gvaramiac rom movida 

„rusTavi 2-Si”, manac Secvala. 

roca arafers cvlis, esec garkveul 

eWvs badebs, rom imitom ki 

ar cvlis, rom Secvala ar unda, 

aramed imitom, rom imaze fiqrobs, 

es politikurad rogor 

gamoCndeba; meore mxriv ki ar 

icoda, rad undoda „rusTavi 2". 

icoda, rom undoda „rusTavi 2", 

magram risTvis undoda, ar icoda. 

aseve aucileblad minda 

aRvniSno: yvelam viciT da yvela 

mediaeqsperti ambobs, rom 

saqarTveloSi televizia momgebiani 

biznesi ar aris. Tu qibar 

xalvaSs an sxva vinmes televizia 

unda, imitom ki ar unda, rom 

iqidan dividendebs moipovebs 

da gamdidrdeba, piriqiT, televiziaSi 

unda Cados fuli, magram 

es televizia sxva rameSi 

gamoadgeba, politikuri, gavlenis 

instrumentia. aqedan gamomdinarec, 

gaugebari xdeba xalva- 

Sis motivi, ratom ibrZoda 

„rusTavi 2-isTvis”. is ibrZoda, 

rogorc biznesmeni da imedi 

hqonda, rom „rusTavi 2-iT” 

fuls gaakeTebda, es Zalian Zneli 

dasajerebelia, TviTonac 

ambobs, rom piriqiT, fuli unda 

Cados. man es winaswarac icoda. 

Tu imitom undoda, rom qarTuli 

mediis ganviTarebisTvis 

zrunavs, maSin raRac gegma unda 

hqonoda, ra tipis media unda 

gamxdariyo „rusTavi 2" mas Semdeg, 

rac misi mflobeli gaxdeboda. 

_ Tqven rogor axsniT strasburgis 

sasamarTlos gadaw- 

yvetilebas „rusTavi 2-is” saqmeze? 

opozicioneri politiko- 

sebi imasac ki amtkicebdnen, 

rom ivaniSvilma strasburgis 

sasamarTlo moisyida. 

_ pirvel rigSi, unda vTqvaT, 

rom evropuli sasamarTlo ganixilavda, 

qarTulma sasamarTlom 

rame wesebi xom ar daarRvia 

ganaCenis gamotanis dros. 


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rusTavelze, parlamentis Seno- 

bis win, Ss ministr giorgi gaxarias gadadgomis moTxovniT 

aqciebi kvlav grZeldeba, Tumca Secvlili formatiT. aqciis 

erT-erT organizator SoTa diRmelaSvils parlamentis win 

gadacema mihyavs, romelic socialur qselSi sxvadasxva gver- 

dze vrceldeba. miuxedavad imisa, rom protesti ukve 1 Tveze 

metia, grZeldeba, moTxovna jer kidev ar aris Sesrulebuli. 

am procesis paralelurad ki opozicioneri liderebis mimarT 

sisxlis samarTlebrivi devna grZeldeba, lari gaufasurebis 

rekords xsnis da Seqmnili realobis fonze aqciis mTavari 

monapovari _ 2020 wels proporciul sistemaze gadasvla _ top 

Temebis CamonaTvalSi aRar aris. ra saxiT ganaxldeba aqciebi 

seqtembridan? rogoria mTavari opoziciuri Zalis politikuri 

gegmebi? rogor gaagrZelebs gaerTianebuli opozicia 2020 

wlisTvis mzadebas da ratom aRar aqtiurobs „nacionaluri 

moZraoba” proporciul sistemaze gadasvlasTan dakavSirebiT? 

aRniSnul Temebze „qronika+~ 

„nacionaluri moZraobis” wevr, 

deputat salome samadaSvils es- 

aubra: 

_ Ss ministr giorgi gaxarias 

moTxovniT aqciebi erT Tveze 

metia, parlamentis win imarTeba, 

Tumca Cven vxedavT, rom aqciebi 

sakmaod mcirericxovani gaxda. 

rogorc organizatorebi am- 

boben, es zafxulis sezoniT aris 

ganpirobebuli, xelisufleba ki 

aqciis monawileTa Semcirebas 

Tavis sasargeblod aRiqvams, 

rogor xedavT am procesebs, ram- 

denad didi Sansia, rom es muxti 

ganaxldes? 

_ aqciis organizatorebi, iseve 

rogorc Cvens qveyanaSi arsebuli 

yvela politikuri aqtori, 

fiqrobs, rom seqtembridan aucilebelia 

am aqciebis ganaxleba da 

mniSvnelovani iqneba, Cvenma sazogadoebamac 

gaacnobieros, rom 

realurad sazogadoebrivi zewolis 

gareSe ivaniSvili ar apirebs 

ramis Secvlas, piriqiT SesaZloa, 

isic ki davkargoT, rasac dRemde 

mivaRwieT. ase rom, mas Semdeg, 

rac zafxulis periodi gadaivlis, 

imedi maqvs, moqalaqeebis aqtiuroba 

da CarTuloba iqneba. yovel 

SemTxvevaSi, vapirebT, aucileblad 

yvelaferi gavakeToT imisTvis, 

rom maqsimalurad mobilizebulad 

ganaxldes xalxis saprotesto 

talRa. 

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom Tu sa- 

zogadoebrivi zewola ar iqneba, 

SesaZloa, isic ki davkargoT, rac 

movipoveT. erT-erT mTavar mo- 

napovrad swored proporciuli 

sistema iTvleba, Tumca am Temam 

TiTqos aqtualoba dakarga da 

opoziciac saTanadod ar aqti- 

urobs. ratom ar aqtiurobs 

opozicia da arsebobs Tu ara 

imis safrTxe, rom 2020 wlisTvis 

proporciul sistemaze gadasvla 

ver moxerxdes? 

_ proporciul sistemaze gadasvlis 

dapirebis Semdeg qveyanaSi 

bevri ram moxda. vgulisxmob 

politikur devnasa da daWerebs, 

aseve damoukidebeli televiziis, 

faqtobrivad, gauqmebas. vfiqrob, 

yvelas esmis, am politikur garemoSi, 

Tundac, proporciuli 

sistemiT arCevnebis Catareba Sei- 

Zleba sakmaod arasando iyos politikuri 

procesis TvalsazrisiT. 

ase rom, dRes aqtualuria is 

moTxovna, rac ucvlelad rCeba _ 

es aris gaxarias gadayeneba, garda 

amisa, Cven dRes erTiani ZalebiT 

unda davupirispirdeT im 

koordinebul, represiul politikur 

sistemas, romelic ivaniSvilma 

Seqmna qveyanaSi. 

_ gaxarias gadadgomis moTxovna 

ucvlelia, Tumca is dRem- 

de Ss ministria, rogor fiqrobT, 

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ratom ar Tmobs ivaniSvili gax- 

arias? 

_ vfiqrob, rom gaxaria ivaniSvilisTvis 

Tavisi sistemis Zalian 

mniSvnelovani elementia. rogorc 

Cans, Zalian naTeli gzavnilia is, 

rom ivaniSvili moqalaqeebis winaaRmdeg 

Zaladobrivi gziT apirebs 

xelisuflebis SenarCunebas. aseve, 

rogorc Cans, gaxaria sakmaod sando 

partnioria ivaniSvilis politikuri 

dakveTis TvalsazrisiT, 

vgulisxmob moskovs. Sesabamisad, 

is ivaniSvilisTvis advilad dasaTmobi 

kadri ar aris. 

_ gaxariasTan mimarTebiT 

opozicia xSirad axsenebs, rom is 

ruseTis kacia, gansakuTrebiT ki 

„nacionaluri moZraoba” saubrobT 

amaze. ra gaZlevT imis Tq- 

mis safuZvels, rom Ss ministri 

ruseTis interesebis gamtarebe- 

lia? 

_ gaxariam sakuTari kariera 

moskovSi gaikeTa. Cven viciT, ra 

sistemaa ruseTSi, viciT, rogor 

muSaobs ruseTis politikuri 

sistema, maT Soris, Tundac biznesis 

TvalsazrisiT. ar vfiqrob, 

rom gaxarias SeeZlo sakuTari 

saqmeebis awyoba Sesabamisi kav- 

Sirebis gareSe. 

_ Tqven axseneT, rom damo- 

ukidebeli media, „rusTavi 2", xelisuflebam, 

faqtobrivad, gaauqma. 

rogor SeafasebT strasburgis 

gadawyvetilebas, zogi miiCnevs, 

rom mosamarTleebi moisy- 

ides, rom postsabWoTa qveynis 

mosamarTleebma miiRes es gadaw- 

yvetileba da amitomac ar iyo 

samarTliani. ramdenad sworia 

msgavsi Sefasebebi da Seicavs Tu 

ara es damokidebuleba garkveul 

safrTxeebs? 

_ ar vfiqrob, rom rame safrTxes 

Seicavs damokidebuleba, 

TiTqos strasburgis sasamarTlos 

konkretul gadawyvetilebaze 

vinmes hqondes kritikuli Sefaseba. 

strasburgis sasamarTlos 

Tavisi istoriis manZilze miuRia 

gadawyvetilebebi, Semdeg ki istoriam 

gvaCvena, rom es gadawyvetileba 

ar iyo swori. ase rom, „wminda 

Zroxa”, ra Tqma unda, aravin 

aris, metic, „wminda Zroxac” ki ar 

aris wminda. yvelas kritika Sei- 

Zleba. xelisuflebam aikviata, 

rom ar SeiZleba strasburgis sasamarTlos 

gakritikeba. me vfiqrob, 

rom es gadawyvetileba, saboloo 

jamSi, aRmoCndeba _ cudi. 

am gadawyvetilebas Tavad evropelebic 

sakmaod gakvirvebulebi 

Sexvdnen, vgulisxmob evropel 

diplomatebs da a. S., ase rom, 

gadawyvetilebis kritika erTia, 

meore _ Tavdasxma strasburgis 

sasamarTloze, rogorc institutze. 

yovelTvis vambobdi da dResac 

vityvi, rom erTia, konkretu- 

ìvaniSvils 

salome samadaSvili: 

`qveyanas marTavs 

xelisufleba, 

romelic 

mizanmimarTulad 

ebrZvis 

yvelafers, rac 

mniSvnelovania 

Cveni qveynis 

siZlierisTvis~ 

li gadawyvetileba gaakritiko, 

meorea, Tavs daesxa instituts. 

Tanac, es aris miuRebeli. ra Tqma 

unda, sruliad gasagebia, rom 

konkretuli sasamarTlo gadawyvetileba 

SesaZloa, sxvadasxvanairad 

interpretirdes. am 

SemTxvevaSi me da aseve Zalian 

bevri adamiani fiqrobs, rom 

strasburgis es gadawyvetileba 

cudi iyo. rac Seexeba am gadawyvetilebas, 

Tu riT SeiZleba aixsnas 

igi, vfiqrob, rom am SemTxvevaSi 

„rusTavi 2-is” saqmeze sasamarTlos 

im konkretulma Semadgenlobam, 

romelmac es saqme 

gadawyvita, konservatoruli midgoma 

airCia. es konservatoruli 

midgoma, interpretaciis TvalsazrisiT, 

saboloo jamSi, Cvens 

qveyanaSi demokratiisTvis damazianebeli 

aRmoCnda. Cemi azriT, 

es ar iyo swori. mosamarTleebis 

sxva Semadgenloba rom yofiliyo, 

romelic sxva iuridiuli teqnikiTa 

da taqtikiT miudgeboda am 

saqmis ganxilvas, SesaZloa, sruliad 

sxva Sedegi migveRo. ubralod, 

vfiqrob, rom es aris konkretuli 

SemTxveva, rodesac, Cveni 

qveynisTvis samwuxarod, aRniSnuli 

meTodiT saqmis ganxilvam 

qveyanaSi demokratiis winaaRmdeg 

imuSava. 

_ mas Semdeg, rac „rusTavi 2- 

Si” qibar xalvaSi daubrunda, yvelas 

hqonda gancda, rom saredaqcio 

politika maSinve Seicvleboda, 

Tumca vxedavT, rom, jerjerobiT, 

televizia ganagrZobs ar- 

sebuli saredaqcio politikiT 

muSaobas, amitom gaCnda kiTxva, _ 

iqneb, sulac ar iyo xelisufleb- 

is mizani „rusTavi 2-is” gaCume- 

`rogorc Cans, gaxaria sakmaod sando 

partnioria ivaniSvilis politikuri dakveTis 

TvalsazrisiT, vgulisxmob moskovs. 

Sesabamisad, is ivaniSvilisTvis advilad 

dasaTmobi kadri ar aris~ 

ba? ras ityviT amasTan dakav- 

SirebiT, Tu interesi aqvs xe- 

lisuflebas, ratom ar cvlis 

saredaqcio politikas? 

_ Cemi varaudiT, xalvaSi fiqrobs, 

rom es televizia gayidos 

da ase nel-nela CamoSalon arsebuli 

gundi, saredaqcio politikac. 

amisTvis, albaT, ramdenime 

Tve dasWirdebaT. rogorc Cans, 

gadawyvites, rom ase ufro rbilad 

gaauqmon arsebuli saredaqcio 

politika da „rusTavi 2", 

rogorc is televizia, romelsac 

sazogadoeba icnobda da uyvarda. 

rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, „rusTavi 

2-is” CamoSlis Semdeg, vfiqrob, 

„rusTavi 2", realurad, Cvens qveyanaSi 

wlebis manZilze iyo saredaqcio 

politikisa da politikuri 

mimarTulebis mTavari prodasavluri 

platforma. Cven vnaxeT, 

„rusTavi 2-Tan” dakavSirebul 

cvlilebebs rogori gamoxmaureba 

moyva ruseTis presaSi, „rusTavi 

2"-ze saubroben rusi politikosebic 

ki. ase rom, am SemTxveva- 

Si safrTxe eqmneba ara romelime 

konkretul politikur Zalas, 

aramed ivaniSvili dRes prodasavlur 

platformas Slis. miuxedavad 

imisa, rom ar mgonia, Tanamedrove 

realobaSi ivaniSvilma Sei- 

Zleba alternatiuli sainformacio 

wyaroebi mospos, albaT, Seiqmneba 

kidec alternatiuli sainformacio 

wyaroebi. Cven movismineT 

gancxadebebi axali televiziis 

Seqmnis Taobaze, magram am istoriul 

momentSi „rusTavi 2-is” 

CamoSla Zalian did dartymas miayenebs 

qveyanas, mis evropul momavals 

da qveyanaSi prodasavlur 

Rirebulebebs, radgan alternatiuli 

sainformacio wyaroebis 

Seqmnas mainc garkveuli dro sWirdeba. 

„rusTavi 2-is” CamoSla didi 

dartyma iqneba Cveni sazogadoebisTvis, 

radgan garda prodasavluri 

kursisa, „rusTavi 2" aris is 

televizia, sadac yvelaze xSirad 

ismis mTavrobis safuZvliani kritika, 

Suqdeba is Temebi, rac sazogadoebas 

awuxebs da am yvelafris 

CamoSla sazogadoebriv interess 

Zalian seriozulad „urtyams”, 

radgan swored sazogadoebis 

interesSia, rom hyavdes mwvaved 

kritikuli mediasaSualeba, 

rogorc xelisuflebis erT-erTi 

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reputacia gaucamtverda~ 

makontrolebeli rgoli. 

_ Tqveni Tanagundeli nika 

melia SidapatimrobaSia, daakaves 

irakli oqruaSvilic. rogor 

fiqrobT, ras emsaxureba poli- 

tikuri liderebis daWera da 

raze metyvelebs xelisuflebis 

mxridan msgavsi qmedebebi? 

_ Cven vxedavT da gamokiTxvebic 

amas adasturebs, rom ivaniSvilsa 

da mis politikur Zalas 

Cvens qveyanaSi mxardaWera aRar 

aqvs. misi politikuri partiis 

mxardaWera Zalian dabalia, ivani- 

Svilis mimarT ki sazogadoebaSi 

uzarmazri negativi arsebobs, bevrad 

ufro meti adamiani ivaniSvils 

negatiurad afasebs, vidre 

pozitiurad. ivaniSvils reputacia 

gaucamtverda. es yvelaferi 

ki moaswavebs mxolod erT rames, 

_ ivaniSvils Zalauflebis Senar- 

Cuneba Zalian gauWirdeba, amitom 

is axla fiqrobs, rom Tu politikuri 

moTamaSeebis ganeitralebas 

moaxerxebs, SeinarCunebs Zalauflebas. 

Cven vxedavT, rom nika 

melias man, faqtobrivad, SeuzRuda 

politikuri saqmianobis Sesa- 

Zleblobebi, aseve vxedavT, rom 

nika gvaramias winaaRmdeg samarTlebrivi 

devnis procesis dawyebas 

fiqrobs; xelisufleba cdilobs, 

xeli SeuSalos gvaramias, rom 

gaagrZelos saqmianoba alternatiuli 

televiziis Seqmnis gziT. 

isini fiqroben, rom am Zaladobrivi 

xerxebiT pirdapir daanonsebuli 

politikuri teroriT, 

rodesac gamoacxades, rom gadatrialebis 

mcdeloba iyo qveyana- 

Si, vxedavT, rom iWeren aqciis 

monawileebs, rac erTaderT mizans 

emsaxureba, es sazogadoebisa 

da adamianebis dafrTxobaa, 

rom maT Tavi Seikavon aqtiuri 

poziciebis dafiqsirebisgan. realurad, 

qveyanaSi myardeba Zalian 

represiuli politikuri sistema, 

ivaniSvili fiqrobs, rom am represiuli 

politikuri sistemiT Se- 

Zlebs qveyanaSi Zalauflebis SenarCunebas, 

Tumca mas ar esmis, 

saqarTveloSi am meTodebiT Zalauflebis 

SenarCuneba araviTar 

SemTxvevaSi ar gamouva. es qveyana 

da Cveni sazogadoeba ukve sakmarisad 

aris ganviTarebuli, rom 

ivaniSvilma msgavsi gzebiT ver 

SeaCeros demokratiuli procesi. 

_ mamuka xazaraZis winaaRmde- 

gac daiwyo aqtiuri procesebi, 

mas giraoc Seufardes. rogor 

fiqrobT, aris Tu ara es ivaniSvilis 

mxridan misi, rogorc mo- 

mavali politikuri figuris ga- 

neitralebis mcdeloba? rogor 

SeafasebT mis politikaSi Semos- 

vlas da „nacionaluri moZraoba” 

ganixilavs Tu ara samomavlod 

masTan TanamSromlobas? 

_ mamuka xazaraZe sakuTari 

socialuri kapitaliT, igive finansuri 

SesaZleblobebiT, reputaciiTa 

da a. S. Tu Semova politikur 

procesSi, umniSvnelo moTamaSe 

ar iqneba politikur velze. 

es Zalian kargad icis ivaniSvilma 

da swored amitom daiwyo mis 

winaaRmdeg samarTlebrivi devna. 

rac Seexeba Cvens SesaZlo aliansebs, 

yovelTvis vambobdiT da 

dResac igivea Cveni pozicia, rom 

N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w. 

`strasburgis sasamarTlos Tavisi istoriis manZilze miuRia 

gadawyvetilebebi, Semdeg ki istoriam gvaCvena, rom es gadawyvetileba ar 

iyo swori. ase rom, "wminda Zroxa", ra Tqma unda, aravin aris, metic, 

"wminda Zroxac" ki ar aris wminda. yvelas kritika SeiZleba. xelisuflebam 

aikviata, rom ar SeiZleba strasburgis sasamarTlos gakritikeba~ 

ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg aucilebelia 

erTiani, prodasavluri 

frontis gaerTianeba. Sesabamisad, 

yvela politikuri moTamaSe, romelic 

sakuTari politikuri orientaciiT 

aris prodasavluri, Sesabamisad 

iziarebs Cvens ZiriTad 

xedvebs sagareo politikasTan dakavSirebiT. 

vfiqrob, aseT SemTxvevaSi 

erTmaneTi yvelam unda ganvixiloT 

mokavSired. Tu aqamde 

vinmes eWvi epareboda, bolo Tveebis 

manZilze Zalian naTeli gaxda, 

rom ivaniSvils, realurad, 

ufro da ufro swrafi tempebiT 

mihyavs saqarTvelos mosaxleoba 

swored iqiTken, saiTac umravlesobas 

wasvla ar unda, am SemTxvevaSi 

vgulisxmob ruseTs da 

ruseTis politikur-ekonomikuri 

zegavlenis aRdgenas qveyanaSi. 

_ sul ufro aqtualuri xde- 

ba erovnuli valutis kursis Te- 

ma, larma gaufasurebis rekordi 

moxsna, am viTarebaSi ki xelisufleba 

swored opozicias akisrebs 

pasuxismgeblobas. xelisuflebis 

warmomadgenlebisgan vis- 

menT, rom Seqmnili krizisi 

opoziciis bralia. ras upasuxebT 

xelisuflebis am braldebas? 

_ laris progresuli gaufasureba 

dolarTan mimarTebiT 

ukve mravali welia, mimdinareobs 

`mamuka xazaraZe sakuTari socialuri kapitaliT, 

igive finansuri SesaZleblobebiT, reputaciiTa 

da a. S. Tu Semova politikur procesSi, 

umniSvnelo moTamaSe ar iqneba politikur velze. 

es Zalian kargad icis ivaniSvilma~ 

da es procesi swored im dRidan 

daiwyo, rodesac ivaniSvili qveyanaSi 

Zalauflebas daepatrona. es 

aris xelisuflebis mier gatarebuli 

politikis pirdapiri Sedegi. 

Cven vnaxeT, rom gasul dReeb- 

Si centralurma bankma intervecia 

ganaxorciela im rekomendaciebis 

Sesabamisad, romelic davafiqsireT, 

roman giciriZem sakmaod 

vrclad isaubra im nabijebze, 

romelic xelisuflebas unda 

gadaedga. es nabijebi gadadges da 

dRes davinaxeT, rom dastabilureba 

SeiniSneba. laris gaufasureba 

ki erTaderT rames niSnavs, 

_ qveyanas marTavs xelisufleba, 

romelic mizanmimarTulad ebrZvis 

yvelafers, rac mniSvnelovania 

Cveni qveynis siZlierisTvis, 

maT Soris, Cvens erovnul valutas. 

xelisufleba swor nabijebs 

rom dgamdes, es viTareba aqamde 

ar mividoda, magram veWvob, samwuxarod, 

biZina ivaniSvilis interesebi 

ar aris igive, rac Cveni 

xalxis interesebia, magaliTad, 

erovnuli valutis siZliere da 

ekonomikuri ganviTareba. rac 

ufro gaRatakebuli iqneba es qveyana 

da rac ufro meti adamiani 

icxovrebs siRaribis zRvars miRma, 

miT ufro iafi ujdeba ivaniSvils 

Zalauflebis SenarCuneba. is 

amas, samwuxarod, ase uyurebs. 

Zlieri da ganviTarebuli sazogadoeba, 

ra Tqma unda, ivaniSvilis 

politikur sistemas bevrad ufro 

swrafad daasamarebda, amitomac 

ivaniSvili gamiznulad aRaribebs 

qarTul sazogadoebas. es aris is 

realoba, romelsac vxedavT. 

_ bolo periodSi vrceldeba 

informacia, rom Semodgomaze 

premier-ministris posts biZina 

ivvaniSvili daikavebs. es gadaw- 

yvetileba Secvlis Tu ara dadebiTad 

„qarTuli ocnebis” poli- 

tikur mocemulobas, Tu amas 

arsebiTi mniSvneloba ar eqneba? 

_ ivaniSvili Cvens saxelmwifo- 

Si imdenad diskreditebulia, rom 

is Seecada Seeqmna araformaluri 

mmarTvelobis sistema. TiTqos is 

sadRac imaleba da viRac sxvam 

unda marTos qveyana, magram xalxi 

Zalian brZenia da politikur pasuxismgeblobas 

swored ivaniSvils 

akisrebs imaze, rac qveyana- 

Si xdeba. ase rom, ivaniSvilis dabruneba 

aqtiur politikur asparezze 

arafers Secvlis. Cveni 

qveynisTvis da Cveni mosaxleobisTvis 

is ukve srulad diskreditebuli 

politikuri figuraa. 

_ im pirobebSi, roca SesaZloa, 

uaxloes periodSi Seicvalos 

„rusTavi 2-is” saredaqcio poli- 

tika, amis paralelurad ki aseve, 

SesaZloa, gagrZeldes opozi- 

cioneri politikuri liderebis 

dapatimrebis seria, am mocemu- 

lobaSi rogoria „nacionaluri 

moZraobis” samoqmedo gegma? je- 

rjerobiT „nacionaluri moZrao- 

ba” mTavar opoziciur Zalad 

ganixileba. rogor apirebT 2020 

wlamde daupirispirdeT, rog- 

orc ambobT, politikur repre- 

siebsa da ivaniSvilis reJims? 

_ Cven seqtembridan Zalian aqtiurad 

daviwyebT, pirvel rigSi, 

sazogadoebrivi azris mobilizebas. 

aqtiurad vimuSavebT regionebSi 

Cvens amomrCevlebTan, aseve 

gagrZeldeba aqciebi da sazogadoebis 

mobilizeba. saqarTvelo 

Zalian patara qveyanaa, ra Tqma 

unda, televiziis daniSnuleba Zalian 

mniSvnelovania, magram aranakleb 

mniSvnelovania piradi urTierToba 

amomrCevelTan da xalx- 

Tan, rasac Cven vapirebT, rom seqtembridanve 

qtiurad SevudgeT. 

es iqneba yoveldRiuri muSaoba 

Cvens xalxTan, rom, pirvel rigSi, 

maT gavagebinoT is cvlilebebi, 

rac Cven gvsurs am qveynisTvis, 

rac, realurad, erTaderTi gzaa 

Cveni saxelmwifoebriobis gadar- 

Cenisa im gamowvevebis fonze, romelic 

ivaniSvilma Seqmna. 

_ proporciul sistemaze ga- 

dasvla iTvaliswinebs blokebis 

akrZalvasac. ras gegmavs gaer- 

Tianebuli opozicia? ganixilavT 

Tu ara gaerTianebuli opoziciis 

calke partiad daregistrire- 

bas? 

_ konsultaciebi mimdinareobs 

da vnaxoT, rogor CamovyalibdebiT. 

darwmunebuli var, rom Semdeg 

saparlamento arCevnebs nebismier 

saarCevno sistemaSi „nacionaluri 

moZraoba” moigebs, radgan sazogadoebam 

Zalian kargad icis, rom 

swored „nacionaluri moZraobaa” 

is partia, romelsac realurad 

Seswevs Zala, daamarcxos ivaniSvili 

da Secvalos xelisufleba. 

amitom Cven ar ganvixilavT aranair 

gamowvevad da safrTxed nulovan 

bariers. vfiqrob, rom nulovani 

barieri SesaZloa, ufro 

sxva tipis safrTxeebs aCendes qveyanaSi, 

magram, meore mxriv, mimaCnia, 

rom sazogadoebam Zalian kargad 

iswavla Savisa da TeTris garCeva. 

ivaniSvils Tu aqvs iluzia, 

rom marTul partiebs Seqmnis da 

maTi gziT Seecdeba sazogadoebis 

motyuebas, darwmunebuli var, 

sazogadoeba amas ar miiRebs da 

Semdeg arCevnebze erTxmad gascems 

pasuxs ivaniSvils qveynis 

mTavari opoziciuri Zalis mxardaWeris 

gziT. 

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`Tu ivaniSvili vinmes azrs 

nebismieri Cvengani xvdeba, rom 


bolo dros qveyana im mRvrie wyals 

daemsgavsa, sadac Tevzis daWera 

advilia. vin aamRvria es wyali da vin cdilobs Tevzis daW- 

eras, anu igive 20 ivnisis Semdeg ganviTarebuli movlenebiT 

romeli politikuri gundi ixeirebs yvelaze metad? _ am kiTx- 

vaze, ra Tqma unda, erTmniSvnelovani pasuxi ar arsebobs, Tum- 

ca politikur da analitikur wreebSi ukve Riad mianiSneben, 

rom „evropuli saqarTvelo” sakuTar politikur TamaSs Tama- 

Sobs. amasTan, is mosazrebac ufro da ufro aqtualuri xdeba, 

rom „evropelebis” TamaSis wesebi „ocnebisTvisac” misaRebia. 

axla, es mosazreba SesaZloa, 

vinmes SeTqmulebis Teoriad mo- 

eCvenos, magram „qristian-demok- 

ratuli moZraobis” lideri, goCa 

jojua, Cvens gamocemasTan interviuSi 

pirdapir ambobs, rom biZi- 

na ivaniSvili yvelaze metad giga 

bokerias usmens. batoni jojua am 

mosazrebas argumentebiT am- 

yarebs da amasTan, erT skandalur 

gancxadebasac akeTebs, anu mianiSnebs, 

rom im politikosebis naw- 

ili, romelic prodasavluri ideebis 

gamtareblad gvevlineba, sinamdvileSi, 

rusuli scenariT mo- 

qmedebs! 

mokled, rogoria dRevandeli 

saqarTvelos politikuri dRis 

wesrigi da ra moxdeba Semodgo- 

maze? _ „qronika+” gTavazobT skandalur 

intervius goCa jojua- 

sTan: 

_ batono goCa, 20 ivnisis Semdeg, 

SeiZleba iTqvas, rom poli- 

tikur jojoxeTSi vcxovrobT. 

_ diax, 20-ma ivnisma axali politikuri 

dRis wesrigi SemogvTavaza. 

_ da es axali dRis wesrigi vi- 

sTvisaa kargi da visTvis _ cudi? 

_ ase calsaxad ver vityviT, 

rom vinmesTvis kargia da vinmesTvis 

_ cudi. zogadad, dadebi- 

Ti da uaryofiTic yvela movlenas 

aqvs. amitom gaaCnia, vin rogor 

gamoiyenebs da vin rogor ipozicionirebs. 

jerjerobiT vxedavT, 

rom xelisuflebam adekvaturi pasuxebis 

gacema ver SeZlo. erTaderTi, 

rac SeiZleba, 20 ivnisis adekvaturad 

CaiTvalos, proporciuli 

arCevnebis deklarirebaa, ramac 

situacia mTlianad Secvala, Tumca 

am deklarirebas nabijebis 

gadadgma ar mohyolia. 

_ am kuTxiT konkretuli 

nabijebis gadasadgmelad aRara- 

vis scalia, rameTu xelisufleba 

saxelmwifo gadatrialebis saqmes 

iZiebs, paralelurad, „rusTavi 2- 

is” garSemo movlenebi dramatu- 

lad viTardeba, Tineijeri lari 

ki „davaJkacebas” amaod cdilobs... 

ise, CvenSi darCes da, am oromtri- 

alSi proporciuli arCevnebi 

opoziciasac daaviwyda. 

_ diax, mec swored amaze vsaubrob, 

anu im pozitivis gamoyeneba, 

romelic 20 ivnisis Ramem moitana, 

xelisuflebam ver SeZlo. 

_ „gamoyenebaSi” ras gulisx- 

mobT? 

_ xelisuflebam ver SeZlo, rom 

es pozitivi mosaxleobisTvis da, 

aseve, opoziciuri partiebisTvis 

ise miewodebina, rom sargebeli 

enaxa. samagierod, xelisuflebam 

daWerebi daiwyo da fiqrobs, rom 

es daWerebi mosaxleobis im nawilze, 

romelic misi eleqtoratia 

an potenciurad misi eleqtoratia 

da yoveldRe kargavs, dadebiTad 

muSaobs, anu xelisufleba am daWerebiT 

cdilobs, Tqvas, ai, uunaro 

ar var da xom xedavT, daWerac 

SemiZlia da krizisis dros nabijebis 

gadadgmaco. 

_ ar mgonia, daWerebiT „ocneb- 

is” uunarobis imiji gaifantos, 

magram, batono goCa, unda CagekiTxoT: 

deklarirebuli propor- 

ciuli arCevnebi opoziciam ratomRa 

daiviwya, am situaciaSi „an- 

tiocnebelebisTvis” am Temaze 

saubari aramomgebiania? 

_ modiT, CavwvdeT, mTavari arsi 

ra aris: opoziciis is nawili, 

romelic saparlamentoa, am SemTxvevaSi, 

„nacionalur moZraobasa” 

da mis ganayof „evropul saqarTvelos” 

vgulisxmob... 

_ neba momeciT, isev ar dageTanxmoT, 

radgan „nacebi” da „evro- 

pelebi” erTmaneTTan Txa da 

mglebiviT arian. 

_ diax, danayofi sityvis masalad 

vTqvi, Torem isini CemTvis, 

rasakvirvelia, erTni ar arian! 

partiis SigniT mimdinare dapirispireba 

Cveulebrivi movlenaa, magram 

roca es dapirispireba gayofiT 

mTavrdeba, ukve or subieqts 

viRebT, romelsac erTmaneTTan 

dapirispireba aqvs, radgan orive 

Tavis damkvidrebas cal-calke 

cdilobs, magram aris momentebi, 

roca am ori subieqtis interesebi 

erTmaneTs emTxveva. 

_ am SemTxvevaSi „nacebisa” da 

„evropelebis” interesebi erTma- 

neTs emTxveva? 

_ iciT, rogor aris? _ „nacionalurma 

moZraobam” Tundac 2003 

wels, roca qveynisTvis mravalpartiuli 

parlamenti mniSvnelovani 

iyo, situacia iqamde miiyvana, rom 

Zalaufleba mxolod Tavad aeRo 

da dResac am scenaris ganviTareba 

unda, anu „nacmoZraoba” 

fiqrobs, rom maqsimalurad arastabiluri 

garemo misTvis momgebiania, 

radgan amiT xelisuflebaSi 

mosvlis Sansi uCndeba! 

_ e. i., xelaRebiT ver uarvyofT, 

rom saxelmwifo gadatri- 

aleba, Tundac verbalur doneze, 

ar igegmeboda? 

_ yvela politikur partias xelisuflebaSi 

mosvlis amocana aqvs 

da es Cveulebrivia. aqedan gamomdinare, 

„nacionalebis” gamtyuneba, 

xelisuflebaSi am gziT mosvla 

ratom undaTo, TavisTavad arasworia, 

Tumca SefasebiT nawilSi 

SegviZlia, davsvaT kiTxva: qveynis 

ganviTarebisTvis romeli gza sjobia 

_ is, rac „nacmoZraobas” surs 

Tu mravalpartiuli da stabiluri 

garemo, romlis dasawyisic 2020 

gaxdeba? mokled, dRes aseTi arCevanis 

winaSe vdgavarT da „nacionaluri 

moZraoba” Tavis arCevans 

akeTebs, magram sxva saqmea, es arCevani 

danarCen opozicias da aseve 

xelisuflebas awyobs Tu ara. aqve 

kidev erTxel gavimeoreb, rom xelisufleba 

mTel rig sakiTxebSi 

araadekvaturia da situacias ki ar 

marTavs, aramed raRacebze reagirebebs 

axdens. arada, xelisuflebas 

SeuZlia, rom iniciativa 

aiRos. 

_ batono goCa, am fonze Tan- 

daTan fexs ikidebs mosazreba, 

rom „evropuli saqarTvelos” 

liderebi, kerZod, goga bokeria 

da misi meuRle, Tamar CergoleiS- 

vili, romelic aRniSnuli parti- 

is mTavar ideologad iTvleba, 

TiTqos „ocnebis” TamaSs Tama- 

Soben. am versias iziarebT? 

_ ara. 

_ ratom? 

_ politikuri subieqti garkveul 

sakiTxebSi SesaZloa, meore 

subieqtis partniori ise gaxdes, 

rom amaze SeTanxmebac ar iyos saWiro, 

anu raRac situaciaSi Sesa- 

Zloa, rom politikuri subieqte- 

goCa jojua: 

ìm politikosebis 

nawili, romelic 

sazogadoebaSi 

proamerikeladaa 

cnobili, rusul 

TamaSs TamaSobs!~ 

bis interesebi erTmaneTs daemTxves. 

ai, magaliTad, „nacionalebTan” 

mimarTebiT „ocnebis” radikalizms 

„patriotTa aliansis” radikalizmi 

scdeba. „patriotTa aliansic” 

saparlamento partiaa, romelic 

ambobs, ki batono, ruseTi 

okupantia, magram am okupantTan 

mivdivar da masTan salaparakod 

vjdebio. 

_ sityvam moitana da, am dReeb- 

Si „patriotebi” gamovidnen ini- 

ciativiT, politikuri leqsikonidan 

sityva „okupanti” amoviRo- 

To... 

_ isini amboben, okupantis Zaxebas 

azri ar aqvs, Torem faqtia, 

rom okupantiao. ise, Tu daakvirdebiT, 

daviT Tarxan-mouarvi mxolod 

giga bokeriasRa lanZRavs, 

radgan misTvis mixeil saakaSvili 

aRar arsebobs. 

_ ratom? 

_ saakaSvilis miRma is giga bok- 

`Tarxan-mouravma, bokerias saxiT, Tavisi 

mteri airCia da pirdapir cecxli gauxsna. es 

ki imas niSnavs, rom `patriotTa alianss~ 

SeuZlia, òcnebas~ yvelaze radikaluri 

eleqtorati waarTvas. es is radikaluri 

eleqtoratia, romelic ufro met daWeras da 

aseve `nacionaluri moZraobis~, rogorc 

partiis gauqmebas iTxovs~ 

erias xedavs, romelsac imis realuri 

Sansi aqvs, rom xval da zeg 

„nacmoZraoba” Caanacvlos, Tumca 

es imas ar niSnavs, rom dRes bokerias 

igive „nacionalebze” meti 

reitingi aqvs. 

mokled, Tarxan-mouravma, bokerias 

saxiT, Tavisi mteri airCia da 

pirdapir cecxli gauxsna. es ki 

imas niSnavs, rom „patriotTa alianss” 

SeuZlia, „ocnebas” yvelaze 

radikaluri eleqtorati waarTvas. 

es is radikaluri eleqtoratia, 

romelic ufro met daWeras 

da aseve „nacionaluri moZraobis”, 

rogorc partiis gauqmebas iTxovs. 

rac Seexeba bokerias, marTalia, 

man saxelmwifos Camoyalibebis 

saqmeSi didi wvlili Seitana, magram 

„nacionalurma moZraobam” 

saxelmwifo sisxlis fasad Seqmna. 

amitom bokeria yvelafer amas emijneba 

da ambobs, ki batono, imaze, 

rac guSin xdeboda, pasuxismgeblobas 

viRebT, magram dRes „nacmoZraoba” 

da „ocneba” erT relsebze 

dganano. 

saboloo jamSi, dRes bokeria, 

Tundac ideologiurad, ufro 

Camoyalibebulia, vidre _ „nacionaluri 

moZraoba”. 

_ is, rom „nacmoZraoba” da 

„ocneba” erT relsebze dganan, Cemi 

azriT, utrirebuli warmod- 

genaa. 

_ ara, ratom? „nacmoZraobis” 

msgavsad, „ocnebasac” aqvs liberaluri, 

konservatiuli da Tundac 

federaluri frTebi. bokeria 

yovelTvis mkveTri liberalizmis 

momxre iyo. 

erTi sityviT, im konfiguraciis 

gaTvaliswinebiT, romelic 2020- 

Si unda „dajdes”, bokeria Tavis 

eleqtoralur nawilze muSaobs. 

_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma- 

gram gamoricxavT, rom is scenari 

gaTamaSdes, romlis Sesaxebac „pa- 

triotTa aliansi” saubrobs, anu 

„ocnebam” bokerias xelisufleba 

xaverdovnad gadaabaros? 

_ igive koaliciuri mTavrobis 

Camoyalibebis procesSi, „nacmoZraobaze” 

prognozirebadi vin 

SeiZleba iyos? 

_ vin? 

_ „ocneba” partniorad SeiZleba, 

ufro giga bokerias aRiqvams, 

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vidre _ mixeil saakaSvils! metic, 

Tu dRes vinme politikur aminds 

qmnis, anu Tu biZina ivaniSvili 

vinmes azrs iTvaliswinebs, es giga 

bokeriaa! 

_ anu, am procesebiT, saboloo 

jamSi, mogebuli „evropuli 

saqarTvelo” darCeba, ara? 

_ rasakvirvelia, asea da zusti 

formulireba gaakeTeT. 20 ivnisidan 

moyolebuli, vinc procesebs 

warmarTavs da viszec SeiZleba 

vTqvaT, rom yvelafer amiT moigo, 

es „evropuli saqarTveloa”! 

_ ai, am dros, Tqven, anu arasa- 

parlamento opozicia sadaa, 

TamaSgare mdgomareobaSia? 

_ diax, Cven TiTqmis TamaSgare 

mdgomareobaSi varT da amasac 

Tavisi obieqturi mizezi aqvs. 

_ kerZod, ra mizezi? 

_ amomrCevlisa da sazogadoebis 

formirebas yvelaze metad satelevizio 

sivrce axdens. am mxriv 

tonis mimcemi „rusTavi 2" iyo, 

romelic mxolod „nacionalur 

moZraobas” ki ara, partnior „evropul 

saqarTvelosac” aSuqebda. am 

da sxva faqtorebis gaTvaliswinebiT, 

sxva politikuri speqtri 

mTlianad ganadgurebulia da Tu 

am kuTxiT konkretuli nabijebi ar 

gadaidga, maSin 2020-Sic isev orpolusian 

politikur velamde 

mivalT. amitom erT-erTi polusis 

CamoSlac ki qveynisTvis ukeTesi 

iqneba, radgan meoe polusic Tavis 

funqcias bunebrivad dakargavs. 

zogadad, es sqema marto saqarTveloSi 

ki ara, mTel msoflioSi 

muSaobs. 

_ e. i., is, rac „rusTavi 2-is” 

garSemo xdeba, dadebiTia, rameTu 

mZlavri mediamxardamWeris daka- 

rgviT „nacmoZraoba” CamoiSleba 

da amas, avtomaturad, „ocnebis” 

CamoSlac mohyveba. Tqveni naTq- 

vami sworad gavige? 

_ ki batono. 

_ amasobaSi ki bokeria sakuTar 

medias qmnis. yovel SemTxvevaSi, 

daviT kezeraSvilis televizia, 

romelic dRe-dReze Seiqmneba, 

„evropul saqarTveloze” imuSavebs. 

sxvaTa Soris, amis Sesax- 

eb pirvelad informacia Cveni 

gamocemis mTavarma redaqtorma, 

eliso kilaZem gaavrcela. hoda, 

arasaparlamento opozicia isev 

obsaidisTvisaa ganwiruli, ara? 

_ iciT, raxdeba? 

_ ra? 

_ aqamde xelisuflebas aseTi 

polusi awyobda da danarCen opozicias 

politikur velSi Semosvlis 

saSualebas ar aZlevda, radgan 

Tavs komfortulad grZnobda, 

Tumca axla xelisufleba mixvda, 

rom 2020-Si unda wavides. 

_ amas ris safuZvelze ambobT? 

_ formula, rom xelisufleba 

ori mowvevis Semdeg icvleba, 

yovelTvis muSaobs da saakaSvilic 

mixvda, rom meore mowvevis mere 

unda wasuliyo. am formulas verc 

ivaniSvili Secvlis da wava. 

sxvaTa Soris, imis Sesaxeb, rom 

„ocneba” 2020-Si xelisuflebaSi 

veRar darCeba, baxtaZem erT-erT 

Sexvedraze ukve ganacxada. yovel 

SemTxvevaSi, koaliciur mTavrobaze 

daiwyo laparaki. aqedan gamomdinare, 

xelisufleba iZulebuli 

gaxdeba, rom igive telesivrceSi 

sxva televiziebic gaaCinos. es xelisuflebis 

mxridan adekvaturi 

nabiji iqneba. 

iTvaliswinebs, es bokeriaa!~ 

`bokeria im TamaSs TamaSobs, romliTac 

ivaniSvils uxerxulobas uqmnis, magram bokeria 

bolomde radikalizms ar TamaSobs, anu 

opoziciis is nawili, romelic maqsimalur 

moTxovnebze midis, bokeria araa. amasTan, 

bokeria arc imas cdilobs, rom riggareSe 

arCevnebi dainiSnos. mas, ubralod, is ar 

unda, rom rusTaveli dakargos da rusTaveli 

"nacmoZraobas" gadaabaros, romelic 

radikalizmzea wamsvleli da romelic 

yvelafers gamoiyenebs, rom situacia 

maqsimalurad daiZabos da ivaniSvili 

rusebTan salaparakod daCoqili mivides!~ 

weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, „nacmoZraobis” 

qmedebebi CemTvis bolomde 

misaRebi ar aris, magram 

gasagebia da Tu manac, daaxloebiT, 

es pozicia ar daiWira, wamgebian 

poziciaSi aRmoCndeba. 

_ ratom? 

_ imitom, rom brZola „ocnebasa” 

da e. w. liberalur opozicias 

Soris ki ar wava, aramed „ocneba” 

Seecdeba, rom brZolis velze 

is Zalebic gamoiyvanos, romelic 

liberalur frTasTan araa 

gaigivebuli. 

_ mokled, „ocnebam”, SesaZloa, 

arasaparlamento opozicias agin- 

ToT mwvane? 

_ ara, ara. 

_ aba? 

_ „ocneba” Seecdeba, rom igive 

satelevizio sivrcis raRac nawili 

gaxsnas da Sesabamisad, meore 

polusic iZulebuli gaxdeba, am 

politikur TamaSSi danarCenic 

Seiyvanos. „rusTavi 2" danarCen 

televiziebs tons aZlevda da es 

momenti namdvilad dadebiTi iyo 

_ „maestro” da „imedic” iZulebuli 

iyvnen, „rusTavi 2-is” tonze 

raRac reagireba moexdinaT. 

ar vici, „rusTavi 2-s” ra elis, 

magram iZulebuli gaxdeba, politikur 

da telesivrceSi sxva politikuri 

Zalebic Semoiyvanos, magram 

Tu xelisufleba adekvatur 

nabijebs ar gadadgams, maSin danarCeni 

politikuri partiebi iZulebuli 

gaxdebian, TamaSis im wesebs 

daeqvemdebaron, romelsac „nacionaluri 

moZraoba” an „evropuli 

saqarTvelo” gvTavazobs. 

_ vnaxoT, ra da rogor iqneba, 

magram Tundac iqidan gamom- 

dinare, rom erovnuli valuta 

dRiTi dRe ufasurdeba, 2020-mde 

mSvidad mivalT, anu socialuri 

bunti xom ar ifeTqebs? 

_ is, rasac axla getyviT, 

gasagebi mxolod maTTvis iqneba, 

visac cota meti analizis unari 

aqvs: Seuracxyofas aravis vayeneb, 

magram viTarebas SexedeT: evropasTan 

„qarTulma ocnebam” Tavisi 

situacia deklarirebis doneze 

gaarkvia, anu roca saqarTveloSi 

evrosabWos prezidenti Camovida, 

masTan pirdapir Tqves, rom 2020- 

Si mravalpartiuli da proporciuli 

arCevnebi Catardeba, romlis 

Sedegadac xelisuflebaSi koaliciuri 

mTavroba mova. 

axla „qarTul ocnebas” situacia 

ruseTTan aqvs gasarkvevi. 

garkveul gunds ruseTTan ivaniSvilis 

maqsimalurad CoqbjeniT miyvana 

awyobs. aviRoT Tundac igive 

ìvaniSvilma fuli araTu iSova, aramed 

SeinarCuna kidec, anu rogorc ki realur 

safrTxes dainaxavs, adekvatur nabijs 

gadadgams da ase moxda 20 ivnisis Semdeg, 

roca proporciul arCevnebze daTanxmda. 

mokled, axlac, Tu realur safrTxes 

dainaxavs, gadawyvetilebas instinqtis doneze 

miiRebs da imis resursi arsebobs, rom 

seqtembris Sua ricxvebidan an oqtombridan 

ekonomika, met-naklebad, dastabilurdes~ 

gaxaria, romelic rusTavelis 

gamzirze mimdinare aqciis monawileebisTvis 

prorusul Zalad 

moiazreba. 

_ ukacravad, gaxaria ra SuaSia 

da, saerTod, raze saubrobT, ba- 

tono goCa? 

_ ivaniSvilisTvis gaxaria ufro 

meti safrTxis Semcvelia, vidre _ 

aqciis monawileebisTvis. 

_ ratom? 

_ is iZulebulia, rusul Zalas 

angariSi gauwios. 

_ imas ambobT, rom ivaniSvili 

ruseTTan gaxariaTi vaWrobs? 

_ ara. 

_ aba? 

_ gaxarias ruseTTan marTlac 

kargad dalagebuli situacia aqvs. 

amitom ivaniSvilisTvis arakomfortulia, 

anu gaxarias moqmedebebma 

evropasTan miRweuli misi 

SeTanxmebebi TiTqmis nulamde 

daiyvana, Tumca evropa emociurad 

ki ara, Sedegobrivad xedavs, rom 

fundamenturi cvlileba gardauvalia, 

anu 2020-Si proporciuli 

arCevnebis Catareba da koalicuri 

mTavrobis Seqmna evropisTvis fundamenturi 

cvlilebaa. amiT ivaniSvilma 

yvelanairi garantia miiRo, 

rom misi usafrTxoeba daculi 

iqneba! 

_ socialur buntze gkiTxeT 

da pasuxi ar gameciT, batono 

goCa. 

_ pirdapir vTqvaT, saqarTvelos 

farglebs gareT CvenTan socialuri 

bunti vis awyobs? 

_ albaT, ruseTs, ara? 

_ diax, asea. aqedan gamomdinare, 

imis albaToba, rom politikuri 

temperatura sakmaod maRla 

avides, arsebobs. 

sxvaTa Soris, maqvs informacia, 

rom saamisod arcTu patara fulic 

ixarjeba. metic: im politikosebis 

nawili, romelic sazogadoebaSi 

proamerikelad aris cnobili, 

sinamdvileSi, rusul TamaSs 

TamaSobs, Tumca ar vici, yvelaferi 

es uneburad xdeba Tu 

gaTvlilia. 

_ visze mianiSnebT? 

_ maTze, vinc rusTavelze dganan 

da amboben, rom rusuli okupaciis 

winaaRmdegebi arian! 

_ moaruli informaciiT, anti- 

saokupacio aqciebis ukan bokeria 

dgas. e. i., ra xdeba? 

_ bokeria im TamaSs TamaSobs, 

romliTac ivaniSvils uxerxulobas 

uqmnis, magram bokeria bolomde 

radikalizms ar TamaSobs, anu 

opoziciis is nawili, romelic maqsimalur 

moTxovnebze midis, bokeria 

araa. amasTan, bokeria arc imas 

cdilobs, rom riggareSe arCevnebi 

dainiSnos. mas, ubralod, is ar 

unda, rom rusTaveli dakargos da 

rusTaveli „nacmoZraobas” gadaabaros, 

romelic radikalizmzea 

wamsvleli da romelic yvelafers 

gamoiyenebs, rom situacia maqsimalurad 

daiZabos da ivaniSvili 

rusebTan salaparakod daCoqili 

mivides! ai, es aris „nacmoZraobis” 

amocana da isic misi gamarjveba 

iqneba, Tu vadamdeli arCevnebi 

dainiSneba, Tumca rusTavelze vi- 

Tareba, jerjerobiT, wynarad vi- 

Tardeba da, minimum, Semodgomamde, 

garTulebebi ar iqneba. 

_ maSasadame, igive lari xelovnurad 

gaufasurda da yvelaferi 

es garkveuli politikuri 

jgufebisganaa manipu- 

lirebuli? 

_ albaT, gaxsovT, roca antisabanko 

isterika daiwyo da imaze 

saubrobdnen, rom mTel saqarTveloSi 

yvelafers bankebi marTaven. 

amas moyva logika, rom erT-erTi 

yvelaze warmatebuli „Tibisi banki” 

anakliis ports erovnuli interesebis 

doneze wyvets. sxvaTa 

Soris, anakliis portis ekonomikuri 

mxare salaparako aRaraa da 

darCenilia samxedo nawili. 

mokled, imis Tqma minda, rom 

bankebi qveynis politikis gansazRvraSi 

praqtikulad monawileoben, 

rac SemTxveviTi araa, anu ivaniSvils 

Tavisi interesebis gamo brZola 

erT mxares, „nacmoZraobasTan” 

uwevs, meore mxriv ki TavianTi interesebi 

bankebsac aqvT, romlebic 

valutasTan mimarTebiT calke 

TamaSs TamaSoben. erovnuli banki 

„Tibisisa” da „saqarTvelos bank- 

Tan” Tavisi berketebis amuSavebas 

ver bedavs da mozomil nabijebs 

dgams. esec imis niSania, rom bankebs 

TavianTi politika aqvT da 

cdiloben, qarTul politikur 

sivrceSi Semovidnen. 

_ am sabanko da politikuri 

TamaSebiT ki mosaxleoba zaral- 

deba. Cven, rigiTma moqalaqeebma, 

ra unda vqnaT, batono goCa? 

_ mosaxleoba, erTi mxriv, 

Tavisufal da liberalur ideebs 

gulSematkivrobs; meore mxriv ki 

revolucias mxars ar uWers, anu 

mosaxleobam kargad icis, rom 

2020-mde stabilurad misvla aucilebelia. 

ekonomikuri stabilurobis 

erT-erTi piroba ki politikuri 

stabilurobaa. 

mokled, xalxi yvelafers sworad 

Tvlis, Tumca es imas ar niSnavs, 

rom „ocnebis” mxaresaa, amasTan, 

imasac ambobs, rom gaxariasTan 

brZola revanSistuli Zalebis 

mosvlas niSnavs. 

rac Seexeba mSieri buntis faqtors, 

ki batono, xelisufleba 

uunaroa, magram imdeni Wkua eyofa, 

rom raRac nabijebi gadadgas. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, saamiso resursi 

aqvs, Tumca ivaniSvili, jerjerobiT, 

im faqtorebs xedavs, romelic 

stkiva. amitom mgonia, rom SemodgomisTvis 

garkveul pozicias 

Camoayalibebs. zogadad, didi fuli 

SeiZleba, uceb iSovo, magram am 

fulis SenarCunebas garkveuli 

Wkua da instinqtebi sWirdeba. 

_ es ra SuaSia? 

_ ivaniSvilma fuli araTu iSova, 

aramed SeinarCuna kidec, anu 

rogorc ki realur safrTxes 

dainaxavs, adekvatur nabijs gadadgams 

da ase moxda 20 ivnisis Semdeg, 

roca proporciul arCevnebze 

daTanxmda. mokled, axlac, Tu realur 

safrTxes dainaxavs, gadawyvetilebas 

instinqtis doneze miiRebs 

da imis resursi arsebobs, 

rom seqtembris Sua ricxvebidan an 

oqtombridan ekonomika, met-naklebad, 

dastabilurdes. amasTan, 

politikuri velic SedarebiT adekvaturi 

gaxdes. 

_ uSvebT albaTobas, rom seqtembris 

bolos ivaniSvilma ministrTa 

kabineti mTlianad Secva- 

los? 

_ SeiZleba, Tumca imis saSiSroebac 

arsebobs, rom radikalizmi 

gaZlierdes, rasac riggareSe arCevnebi 

moyveba da yvelafer amiT 

qveyana 2003 wlis mdgomareobas 

daubrundeba! 

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ìvaniSvili gegmazomierad asufTavebs 

rezo SatakiSvili 

597 94 42 50 

597 94 42 50 

fiqria CixraZe: 

qveyanaSi Seqmnil viTarebaze 

„qronika+~ fiqria CixraZes es- 

aubreba: 

_ qveyanaSi umZimesi viTarebaa, 

wlebia, Tvals vadevnebT erTi 

oligarqis Teatrs, romelic axla 

Janrsac Zabavs da diqtaturisken 

migvaqanebs. mrCeba STabeWdileba, 

rom savalalo mdgomareobas sa- 

Tanadod ver afasebs sazogadoe- 

ba, verc opoziciuri speqtri, 

verc xalxi. raRac gacilebiT 

rTuli gvWirs, vidre gvgonia. 

_ situacia marTla Zalian rTulia 

da araordnaluri. SeiZleba 

masec davarqvaT, erTi oligarqis 

Tu erTi „msaxiobis” Teatric, oRond 

es msaxiobi scenazec ar dgas, 

kulisebidan gvelaparakeba da 

mTel sazogadoebas aiZulebs, mainc 

moxiblulebi iyvnen imiT, Ti- 

Tqos scenaze raRac xdeba. situacia 

marTlac Zalian araordinaluria 

am TvalsazrisiT. im Zvel 

dapirebebze arafers vambob, romliTac 

2012 wels movida da romelTac 

realizeba arc eweraT da es 

imTaviTve cxadi iyo. saubari maqvs 

bolo dapirebebze, rodesac is Semobrunda 

viTom partiis liderad 

da xalxs dahpirda, rom Zalian male 

situacia Seicvleboda, rom dadga 

politikaSi misi Semobrunebis, 

misi meored mosvlis Jami, rom 

es ar undoda, magram iZulebuli 

gaxda, piradad iRebda pasuxismgeblobas 

da a. S., magram ra vnaxeT? 

araferi, garda imisa, rom man am 

„gamosvliT” xalxi kidev erTxel 

moatyua da maTi mxardaWera miiRo 

saprezidento arCevnebSi. es iyo, 

Torem xalxisTvis araferi Secvlila 

arc ekonomikuri, arc socialuri 

TvalsazrisiT. kriminali 

izrdeba, qurduli garCevebi gar- 

Cevebzea, ager naxeT, adamians saer- 

Tod yuri moaWres biznesgarCevebis 

dros. saiT midis qveyana? risken 

mivemarTebiT? es xom gamovlili 

da nanaxi gvaqvs da CvenTvis, 

yvelasTvis, visac es gvaxsovs, Zalian 

mZimea igives yureba axla, 21- 

e saukuneSi. imis nacvlad, rom mivdiodeT 

win evropuli sazogadoebisken, 

evroatlantikuri sivrcisken, 

mivdivarT ruseTisken, sadac 

arc kanoni kanonobs, arc mravalpartiuloba 

arsebobs, arc media 

sivrce arsebobs, arseboben aqtiuri 

adamianebi, magram es aqtiuri 

adamianebi yovel wuTs SeiZleba 

aRmoCndnen cixeSi. qarTveli xalxis 

arCevani namdvilad araa Cveni 

qveynis ruseTisken svla da ruseTis 

magvari daxuruli, oligarqiuli, 

korumpirebuli qveynis Camoyalibeba. 

aseT SemTxvevaSi saqarTvelos 

momavali ar aqvs. me Zalian 

bevr adamianTan miwevs urTierToba, 

_ quCaSi, nebismieri gasvlisas 

minimum aT adamians velaparakebi, 

miziareben Tavis gulis tkivils. 

qveyanaSi socialuri foni mZimdeba. 

amas emateba apaTiuri ganwyoba. 

_ ras miiCnevT apaTiuri ganwy- 

obis gamomwvev mizezad? 

_ sazogadoeba xedavs problemebs 

da ver xedavs gamosavals. xedavs, 

rom aris problemebi da ver 

xedavs problemis momgvarebels. 

problemebis momgvarebeli realurad 

ar Cans. CvenTan mTavroba mTavroba 

ar aris, realurad mas aravin 

aRiqvams ramis gadamwyvetad. 

arc parlamenti araa parlamenti 

àr minda, cudi 

winaswarmetyvelebasaviT 

gamomivides, magram...~ 

`xelisufleba imitom icvleba, rom is, 

rac cudi iyo, aRar ganmeordes da Tu 

rame kargi iyo, is kargi gagrZeldes~ 

am qveyanaSi, radgan arc iq miiReba 

aranairi gadawyvetileba. yvelam 

kargad viciT, sadac miiReba gadawyvetilebebi 

da mas saerTod ar 

gaaCnia formalurad Zalaufleba. 

Cven araformaluri mmarTvelobidan 

gadavediT araformaluri 

avtoritarizmis fazaSi, misTvis 

damaxasiaTebeli yvela niSniT. aRmasrulebeli 

xelisuflebac da 

sakanonmdebloc araformaluri 

piris xelSia Tavmoyrili da es instituciebi 

gauqmebulia funqciurad. 

sasamarTlo xelisuflebaSi 

rac xdeba, isic yvelam viciT da 

imasac vxedavT, ra procesic midis 

axla. uvadod iniSneba klani da 

axla uvadod unda gaagrZelon is, 

rasac aqamde, amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi 

akeTebdnen da risic Zalian 

ukmayofilo iyo qarTuli sazogadoeba. 

mediaSi ra procesebic midis, 

amasac yvela vxedavT da rac 

dRes „rusTavi 2-Tan” dakavSirebiT 

xdeba, ara mgonia, mxolod 

„rusTavi 2-s” Seexos. seriozuli 

eWvi maqvs, rom sxva media saSualebebzec 

iqneba seriozuli zewola. 

magaliTad, „tv-pirvelze”. ar minda 

cudi winaswarmetyvelebasaviT 

gamomivides, magram es ar aris 

ubralod mosazrebebis doneze, 

Zalian bevri iseTi faqti Cans 

mTel am procesebSi, romelic, 

adre Tu gvian, „tv pirvelis” kar- 

Tanac miva da es niSnavs imas, rom 

media aseve unda moeqces seriozuli 

kontrolis qveS, gaxdes erTferovani 

, gansxvavebuli da kritikuli 

azri naklebad ismodes. 

vsaubrob televiziebze, radgan 

farTo gavlenas sazogadoebaze 

jer mainc isev televizia axdens 

da ara interneti. ivaniSvili mar- 

Tlac gegmazomierad asufTavebs 

vels 2020 wlis arCevnebisTvis. xelisuflebaSi 

mosvlis dRidan is 

gegmazomierad asustebs politikur 

Zalebs. dRes, cxadia, arian 

politikuri moTamaSeebi, iReben 

garkveul procents, magram maT ar 

aqvT eleqtoratis masStaburi 

zrdis SesaZlebloba da es Zalian 

iwyobs imas, vinc am yvelafers 

alagebs, imitom rom es realoba, 

rodesac partiebi ver axerxeben 

gadauwyveteli amomrCevlis mimxrobas 

da maTi didi umetesoba 

arCevnebis dRes Sin rCeba da ar 

midis arCevnebze, xels uwyobs statuskvos 

SenarCunebas. isev da isev 

am statuskvos SenarCunebisTvis 

xdeba is, rac trialebs mamuka xazaraZis 

Tavs. 

_ ras gulisxmobT? 

_ rac moxda Tveebis win „Tibisi 

bankis” mesveurebis winaaRmdeg 

da rac xdeba axla. erTi mxriv, 

anakliis portis, saqarTvelosTvis 

am strategiulad mniSvnelovani 

proeqtis ganxorcielebas 

viciT, rom ar TanaugrZnobs ruse- 

Ti, magram amis garda, ivaniSvilisTvis 

xazaraZe miuRebelia, rogorc 

axali politikuri moTamaSe. 

misTvis sasicocxlod mniSvnelovania, 

rom politikur velze ar 

gamoCndes vinme axali moTamaSe da 

ar daurRvios ukve dalagebuli 

proporciebi, romelic mas awyobs. 

es situacia awyobs ivaniSvils, magram 

aranairad ar awyobs qarTul 

sazogadoebas. Cven Zalian didxans 

viwonebdiT Tavs imiT, rom region- 

Si pirvelebi varT. statistikurad 

SeiZleba es kidev asea inerciiT, 

magram realuri politikuri mocemulobiT 

dRes Cven aRar varT 

karg mdgomareobaSi demokratiis 

TvalsazrisiT. Tu romelime mezobel 

qveyanaze vityviT, rom iq klanuri 

mmarTvelobaa, erTpartiuli 

mmarTvelobaa da a. S., aravisze 

ukeTesi situacia Cven ar gvaqvs, 

radgan CvenTan erTi partiis mmarTvelobac 

araa, erTi kacis mmarTvelobaa, 

marTla erTi oligarqis 

Teatria. 

_ weRan axseneT, rom xalxi apaTiaSia, 

radgan ver xedavs gamo- 

savals, ver xedavs problemebis 

momgvarebels. albaT xalxi bevrad 

imedianad iqneboda, rom xe- 

davdes Zalas, romelsac am xe- 

lisuflebis Secvla SeuZlia. 

_ diax, sazogadoebisTvis Zalian 

rTulia, rodesac ver xedavs 

Zalas, romelic misTvis problemad 

qceul xelisuflebas moereva... 

opozicia ufro Zlieri rom 

iyos, darwmunebuli var, xelisuflebas 

meti problema eqneboda. 

_ ra iwvevs opoziciis sisus- 

tes, mxolod is, rom liderTa 

nawili cixeSia gamomwyvdeuli, 

nawili qveynidan gandevnili da 

darCenilebic erTgvarad daTr- 

gunuli „9 wlis” ZaxiliT? 

_ albaT yvelaferi erTad. namdvilad 

ar mivekuTvnebi im pirTa 

ricxvs, vinc dausruleblad 9 

welze laparakobs. CemTvis bevrad 

ufro mniSvnelovania, dRes ra 

`risken mivemarTebiT? es xom gamovlili da 

nanaxi gvaqvs da CvenTvis, yvelasTvis, visac es 

gvaxsovs, Zalian mZimea igives yureba axla, 21-e 

saukuneSi. imis nacvlad, rom mivdiodeT win 

evropuli sazogadoebisken, evroatlantikuri 

sivrcisken, mivdivarT ruseTisken, sadac arc 

kanoni kanonobs, arc mravalpartiuloba 

arsebobs, arc media sivrce arsebobs, arseboben 

aqtiuri adamianebi, magram es aqtiuri adamianebi 

yovel wuTs SeiZleba aRmoCndnen cixeSi~ 

xdeba da xval ra moxdeba, vidre 

ra xdeboda guSin da guSinwin. 

CemTvis is 9 weli aqtualuri iyo 

im 9 wlis ganmavlobaSi da Zalian 

aqtiurad vlaparakobdi da vibrZodi 

kidec, magram im adamianebis 

ar mesmis, maSin xma rom ar amouRiaT, 

maSin arsad rom ar Candnen 

da axla rom gviyvebian mZafr ferebSi, 

Turme ra xdeboda im 9 weliwads. 

dRes „nacionaluri moZraoba” 

aris opoziciaSi, mas garkveuli 

eleqtoraluri mxardaWera 

aqvs da es, ginda Tu ar ginda, unda 

miiRo mocemulobad. gasagebia, 

aris raRac Temebi, romelzedac 

mec miCndeba xolme protesti, gadasarevad 

maxsovs maTi pozicia 

analogiur Temebze, rodesac isini 

xelisuflebaSi iyvnen. vbrazdebi 

kidec, magram es imas ar niSnavs, 

rom im Temebze ar vilaparakoT. es 

imas ar niSnavs, rom „nacionalur 

moZraobas” saubari avukrZaloT, 

roca dRevandeli xelisufleba 

aSavebs, arRvevs adamianis uflebebs, 

ubedur dReSi agdebs sasamarTlos, 

rodesac arbeven saprotesto 

aqciebs, asaxiCreben axalgazrdebs 

da pasuxismgeblobis 

aRebac aravis unda. aseT dros, 

cxadia, ver gaCerdebi da pasuxi 

unda mosTxovo moqmed xelisuflebas 

da yvela im Tanamdebobis 

pirs, vinc pasuxismgebelia gadawyvetilebis 

miRebaze. 

_ ase gauTavebeli SedarebebiT 

Tu viareT, yvela xelisufleba 

komfortul pirobebSi iqneba. 20 

ivnisze saubrisas Tu 7 noemberze 

daviwyebT laparaks, rom Turme 

maSinac xdeboda darbeva da a. S., 

maSin vinme, Tundac, me mogitri- 

aldebiT da getyviT, _ 1992 wels 

jaba, kitovani, SevardnaZe ki ar 

arbevdnen, civsisxlianad xvretdnen 

mitingebs da eg Tqveni 7 noem- 

beric, 26 maisic da 20 ivnisic 

Ritinia im daxvretebTan Sedare- 

biT! 

_ diax, ase yvela axali xelisufleba 

komfortul mdgomareoba- 

Si iqneba, rom Zvelsac aqvs Cadenili 

da Tu isic Caidens, aranairi 

problema ar aris. ara, batonebo, 

xelisufleba imitom icvleba, rom 

is, rac cudi iyo, aRar ganmeordes 

da Tu rame kargi iyo, is kargi 

gagrZeldes. Cven ra miviReT? rac 

kargi iyo, araferi gagrZelda, 

cudi rac iyo, yvelaferi darCa da 

gauaresda kidec. sistemuri cvlilebis 

magivrad miviReT absoluturad 

ucvleli, sakuTar Tavze 

morgebuli sistema, romelic 

ukve Zalauflebis SenarCunebis 

wyarod gvevlineba xelisuflebisTvis. 

me sistema mZulda da ara 

isini, visac maSin oponirebas vuwevdi. 

dResac sistema mZuls, magram 

cxadia, vbrazdebi im adamianebze, 

romlebic quCaSi ibrZodnen opoziciis 

mxares, Semdeg sadRac skamze 

aRmoCndnen da absoluturad 

daiviwyes is brZolac da is opoziciuri 

moTxovnebic. vimeoreb: 

dRes rom opozicia Zlieri iyos, 

xelisufleba amdens ver gabedavda. 

_ swored amitom xom ar aneitralebs 

mowinaaRmdegeebs? xe- 

lisuflebaSi mosvlis dRidan 

oponentebs aneitralebs nebismier 

fasad _ cixeSi amwyvdevs, qveynidan 

devnis. axlac, vinc ki axa- 

li partia an televizia axsena, 

yvelas iWers. 

_ ki, ra Tqma unda. Tavidan misi 

mizani iyo aseTi, Sua unda gaikri- 

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foso. Sua gaikrifos da mTeli 

politikuri veli unda iqces ori 

politikuri lideris, ori Zalis 

dapirispirebis asparezad. marTlac 

yvelaferi gaakeTa imisTvis, 

rom es Sua gakrefiliyo. viRacebs 

daWeriT daemuqra, viRacebs _ kadrebis 

gamoqveynebiT da sxva akrZaluli 

meTodebiT. politikis 

gaufasurebisken, politikuri 

liderebis dasustebisken, partiebis 

dasustebisken mihyavda es yvelaferi. 

gakrifa Sua da dRes, 

erTi mxriv, mtris xatad iyenebs 

„nacionalur moZraobas” da, meore 

mxriv, yvelafers akeTebs imisTvis, 

rom eleqtoralurad ver gaizardos 

da viRebT am mocemulobas, 

rom „ocnebas” Tavisi eleqtorati 

hyavs da „nacionalur moZraobas” 

_ Tavisi eleqtorati, aseve misgan 

wamosul evropul saqarTvelos 

Tavisi elqtorati hyavs, sakuTari 

eleqtorati hyavs e. w. prorusul 

Zalebs da aq iketeba yvelaferi. 

amis fonze, ra Tqma unda, yovelTvis 

mmarTvel partias hqonda 

upiratesoba. miT umetes, Sereuli 

maJoritarul-proporciuli sistemis 

pirobebSi. axla Cven garantirebulad 

aravin viciT, marTla 

gveqneba proporciuli arCevnebi 

Tu ara, yovel wuTs SeiZleba raRac 

Setrialdes, magram Tu mas proporciul 

arCevnebze wasvla mouxda, 

kidev ufro gaZlierdeba wnexi 

im mimarTulebiT, rom politikur 

velze aravin gaCndes, rom mediaSi 

gansxvavebuli xma ar ismodes da 

proporciulma arCevnebmac igive 

Sedegi daayenos, rac Sereuli 

saarCevno sistemis pirobebSi dgeboda. 

ivaniSvilis sustad miCneva 

ar mgonia sworad. ivaniSvili unda 

iyos ise aRqmuli, ra Zalac mas realurad 

aqvs da rasac iyenebs instrumentad. 

is instrumentad iyenebs 

xalxis ukidures gaWirvebasac. 

Zalian kargad maxsovs wina 

xelisuflebis dros, socialuri 

qulebis gamo, xalxi saxlSi qaTams 

ar iCerebda, rom rogorme siRaribis 

zRvars qvemoT moxvedriliyo 

da Semweoba mieRo. es mankiereba ar 

Secvlila, piriqiT, ufro da ufro 

gamZafrda da gauaresda. aseT 

totalurad gaWirvebaSi myof adamians 

marTla Zalian martivad yidulob 

xaxviT, kartofiliT, imitom 

rom is politikis mimarT ukve 

gagulgrilebulia da fiqrobs, 

rom mis pirobebs mainc aRaraferi 

Secvlis da es mainc ar dakargos, 

es xeiri mainc naxos arCevnebisgan, 

rac aqtiuri sazogadoebis ideas 

saerTod klavs. 

_ ki magram, xalxis aseTi ga- 

Ratakeba, ase damSeva mas ar Seubrundebda 

cudad? laris gaufa- 

sureba, fasebis arnaxuli zrda 

kidev ufro ar gaaRatakebs xalxs 

da ar Seqmnis eleqtoratis quCa- 

Si gamovardnis safrTxes, rac 

Searyevs mis Zalauflebas? Tu es, 

raRac etapze, piriqiT, mis 

sasargeblod muSaobs? 

_ jerjerobiT es mainc muSaobs 

mis sasargeblod. wlebis winaT 

xalxs molodini hqonda, rom mdidari 

kacis simdidre SeiZleba 

pirdapir maT jibeebSi ar gadadinebuliyo, 

magram imedi hqondaT, 

rom mdidari kaci qveyanaSi gamdidrebis 

pirobebs, samuSao adgilebs 

Seqmnida. es cxadia, ar moxda 

da xalxi Tavs motyuebulad 

grZnobs, es protesti pirdapir 

biZina ivaniSvils ukavSirdeba. magram 

qveyanaSi, am etapze, aravinaa 

misi momrevi da amas xalxi xedavs. 

ise ar gamigoT, rom opozicias 

vakritikebde, arafers akeTebTmeTqi. 

ara! isini yvelafers akeTeben, 

rac maT ZalebSia, magram ver 

uweven konkurencias imas, vis xel- 

Sic uzarmazari fulia. rodesac 

uimedod aris adamiani da verc momrevs 

xedavs, dammarcxebels, vinc 

mas ajobebs, igi iZulebuli xdeba, 

am gabrazebis miuxedavad, mainc mis 

mxares darCes da es aris marTla 

tragikuli mocemuloba _ icis, 

rom motyuebulia, Seuracxyofilia, 

damcirebulia, magram iZulebulia, 

arCevani isev mis sasargeblod 

gaakeTos. 

_ ki magram, es didxans gastans, 

Tu raRac moklevadiania? 

_ me zogadad optimisti var da 

ar miyvars pesimisturi ganwyobebi, 

magram es Cemi optimizmi sakmaod 

safuZvliania xolme... am 

bolo periodebSi Zalian miWirda 

xalxTan urTierToba, rame damaimedeblis 

Tqma. 20 ivnisis Ramem 

ramdenadac damTrguna im tragikuli 

Sedegis gamo, imdenad imedianad 

ganmawyo, rom axalgazrdoba- 

Si aris protestis muxti, energia, 

romelic arsad qreba, arsad ikargeba, 

SeiZleba am wuTSi miCumebulia, 

gawovilia, magram xval-zeg 

ifeTqebs! es Taoba didxans ver 

aitans oligarqiul wnexs! arc Cveni 

da Cvenze ufrosi Taoba dauSvebs 

amas, vinc amdeni vibrZoleT, 

amdeni sisxli vRvareT TavisuflebisTvis! 

da es uceb unda gadaiTargmnos 

oligarqiul mmarTvelobad? 

amis daSveba, amis warmodgenac 

SeuZlebelia. rac ar unda mZime 

situacia iyos saqarTveloSi, 

rogorc ar unda iyo gabrazebuli 

politikur Zalebzec da sazogadoebazec 

da rom Cven iolad veCveviT 

da iolad viRebT raRacebs, 

saqarTveloSi aris muxti, naperwkali, 

romelic uceb ise ifeTqebs 

xolme, rom yvelafers dagaviwyebs. 

saqarTvelos aqvs es Tavisebureba, 

saqarTveloSi bolomde ar 

kvdeba Tavisuflebis suli, is Sei- 

Zleba miinavlos, SeiZleba raRac 

arxeinobac axasiaTebdes, magram 

saWiro dros iRviZebs da saswaulebs 

axdens. meorec: saqarTvelo- 

Si xelisuflebaSi yofnas garkveuli 

cikluroba aqvs, _ saakaSvilis 

xelisuflebasac ki mowia wasvla, 

arada, saakaSvilis xelisufleba 

sakmaod efeqtiani xelisufleba 

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vels 2020 wlis arCevnebisTvis~ 

`raRacnairad, es rusuli suli, Tu rusuli sunTqva am aqciis darbevaSi 

ido, igrZnoboda es rusuli ugrZnobloba raRacnairi... im doneze, rom 

zogs imis gancdac gauCina, me mgoni, eseni qarTvelebi ar iyvneno~ 

iyo! progresze orientirebuli 

efeqtiani vertikali hqonda da 

masTan opoziciuri brZola sakmaod 

rTuli iyo. 

_ imitom, rom is akeTebda 

saqmes. 

_ diax da bevri xedavda „nacionalebis” 

efeqtianobas da gveubnebodnen 

kidec, acadeT! visac 

uSualod ar exeboda is wnexi da 

adamianis uflebebis darRveva Tu 

biznesis warTmeva, is mainc fiqrobda, 

rom Cven axirebulad viqceodiT 

da brazdeboda kidec Cvenze. 

eseni arafers akeTeben! dRes xelSesaxebi 

araferi aqvT adamianebs, 

rom Tqvan, modi, vacaloTo. ra vacaloT, 

xeebis moTxra da gadatana? 

yvelafris yidva, Tuki rame 

Rirebulia amqveynad? yvela biznesis 

wilSi Cajdoma? gamdidreba? 

ai, aseTi ucabedi gamdidrebebi, 

romelic am xelisuflebis pirobebSi 

moxda, amdeni xania politika- 

Si var da ar maxsovs. es unda vacadoT? 

amitom mgonia, rom erTia is 

gaTvla, rac aqvs oligarqs, rac 

aJurSia moyvanili, magram meorea 

realoba, romelic ndobaamowurul 

xelisuflebas aucileblad 

aCvenebs wiTel baraTs. saerTod 

vfiqrob, rom dRes imdenad rTul 

fazaSi varT da imdenad ver vxedavT 

adekvatur sapasuxo qmedebas 

xelisuflebisgan, rom SeiZleba 

2020 wlamde mSvidobianad miRwevac 

seriozuli problema iyos. ar 

vici, risi molodeinebis gaCena 

surs am xelisuflebas, rodesac 

vigebT, rom Semodgomidan daiwyeba 

represiebi, oRond gareT ki ara, 

ukve gundis SigniT. 

_ axlac aris saubari qumsiSvilis 

daWeraze, yovel SemTxveva- 

Si, ganaaxles saqme, romelic Sar- 

San aRZres. 

_ Tu danaSauli arsebobda, ratom 

minavlda da dawyebuli gamo- 

Zieba ratom bolomde ar mivida? 

xalxma ukve icis, rom es yvelaferi 

speqtaklSi mZafri elementebis 

Semosatanad sWirdebaT, rom 

kidev erTxel miipyron da gadaitanon 

xalxis yuradReba arsebiTidan 

araarsebiTze. es veRar 

iqneba Sedegis momtani, rogoric 

sxva situaciaSi iqneboda. 

_ anu ar gamoricxavT, rom Sei- 

Zleba arCevnebamde verc mivideT 

da situacia airios? 

_ imedi minda viqonio, rom ase 

ar moxdeba da arc minda, rom eg 

moxdes. minda, rom proporciul 

arCevnebamde mSvidad mivides qveyana, 

magram maTi qmedebebi maeWvebs. 

_ ra qmedebebs gulisxmobT? 

_ ver mixvdnen, kobaxiZe rodis 

unda gadamdgariyo, rom krizisi 

ar gaeCinaT. ver mixvdnen, zaqaria 

qucnaSvils rogor unda aeRo pasuxismgebloba; 

dRes ver xvdebian, 

rom gaxarias mier pasuxismgeblobis 

aReba bevrad ufro kargi iqneba 

maTive xelisuflebisTvis, vidre 

ase gajiuteba da piriqiT _ 

aqeT Setevaze gadmosvla. 

_ moTxovna gaxarias gadadgomis 

Sesaxeb absoluturad legit- 

imuria, igi aris Ss ministri da 

mas unda mieRo gadawyvetileba 

Zalis gamoyenebaze da Tu man ar 

miiRo da sxvam miiRo, mainc unda 

agos pasuxi swored imitom, rom 

sxva, arauflebamosili piri iRebs 

aseT dros gadawyvetilebas da 

ara _ igi! Cven ar varT darwmu- 

nebuli, rom gaxariam miiRo es 

gadawyvetileba, Cven ar viciT, 

CubiniZem gasca brZaneba Tu vin, 

magram nanaxi gvaqvs kadrebi, 

rogor xelmZRvanelobs process 

CubiniZe... am fonze, erTgvar, ux- 

erxulobas ar giqmniT is faqti, 

rom jiutad mxolod gaxarias 

Tavs viTxovT da arc ivaniSvils 

vaxsenebT da arc CubiniZes? 

_ ivaniSvilis uxsenebloba arc 

erT SemTxvevaSi ar SeiZleba, mis 

gareSe verc gaxaria miiRebda am 

gadawyvetilebas da verc _ CubiniZe. 

Tavs droze, „traqtorebis 

saqmeze”, ivaniSvili Tavs iwonebda, 

rom soflis meurneobis ministri 

gadadga, ambobda, rom es maTi standartia, 

rom ministri gadadga, 

raTa xeli ar SeuSalos gamoiZebas 

da a. S. axla ratom aiRes xeli am 

standartze? vfiqrob, upriani 

iqneboda, rom TviTon gaxaria wasuliyo 

droebiT Tanamdebobidan 

gamoZiebis dasrulebamde. Cveni sirTule 

swored eg aris. pasuxi vis 

unda mosTxovo? premier-monistrs 

unda mosTxovo. raze unda mosTxovo? 

is arc vinmes daniSvnaze iRebs 

gadawyvetilebas, arc vinmes 

gadayenebaze, am SemTxvevaSi Tavad 

ministrs unda mieRo es gadawyvetileba, 

radgan is ufro adekvaturi 

Canda xolme garkveul situaciebSi. 

magram, rogorc Cans, dRes 

mas ukve aRar misces adekvaturi 

qcevis SesaZlebloba da amitom 

gaiCxira es sakiTxi ase. ra Tqma 

unda, es xels uSlis imasac, rom 

gamoZieba sxva mimarTulebebiTac 

wavides. roca amboben, rom SigniT 

garkveul Tanamdebobis pirebs 

SeuCerdaT uflebamisileba Tu 

saerTod gadaayenes Tanamdebobebidan, 

Cven ar viciT, maT ra 

Cvenebebi misces, ris gamo gadaametes 

Zalas, es maTi personaluri 

gabrazebis gamo xdeboda Tu vinmes 

brZanebiT? bneliT da burusiT 

moculi aris es yvelaferi. 

_ damiznebiT srolas gulisx- 

mobT? 

_ damiznebiT srolasac da 

dausrulebel rbevasac. mTeli 

Rame iq viyavi, ase dausrulebeli 

rbeva ar maxsovs. vkiTxulobdiT 

kidec, axla raRatom arbeven, axla 

raRatom xdeba es ambavi, raki aTi 

Sortebiani biWi da gogo darbevis 

mere isev brundeboda ukan? iq xom 

aRarc winaaRmdegobis veli iyo 

aRarsad da aRarc winaaRmdegobisTvis 

saWiro adamianebis raodenoba? 

saerTod, imTaviTve es rbeva 

maSin daiwyo, roca yvelaferi 

Cawynarda. 

_ swored eg garemoeba aCens im 

eWvs, rom imwuTieri safrTxe ki 

ar gaaneitrales, aramed daarbies 

imitom, rom xalxSi SiSi gaeCinaT, 

rom aRaravin gaekaros aqciebs. 

yvelas scodnoda, rom Tu gamova 

aqciebze, seqtemberSi Tu oqtomb- 

erSi, laris kursze Tu qveynis 

kursze, SeiZleba es Tvalis fas- 

ad, cixis fasad dujdes. 

_ ki me im Rames mqonda SegrZneba, 

rom es mitingis mogerieba ki 

ara, sadamsjelo RonisZieba iyo, 

zustad ise, rogorc 9 aprils. es 

ar iyo mitingis garekva, mogerieba, 

rogorc mere daarqves, es iyo 

dasja. ra saWiro iyo es, Tu ara, 

erTi mxriv, gavrilovis gamo 

ruseTisTvis samagaliTod eCvenebinaT, 

rom ai, Cven aseT situacia- 

Si ase moviqeciT... 

_ xom ar fiqrobT, rom darbe- 

vis gadawyvetileba saerTod 

pirdapir moskovidan modioda da 

ar iyo adgilze miRebuli gadaw- 

yvetileba? 

_ ho, ar viciT... ubedureba iqneba, 

Tu asea!.. TumcaRa, raRacnairad, 

es rusuli suli, Tu rusuli 

sunTqva am aqciis darbevaSi ido, 

igrZnoboda es rusuli ugrZnobloba 

raRacnairi... im doneze, rom 

zogs imis gancdac gauCina, me mgoni, 

eseni qarTvelebi ar iyvneno. 

_ sruliad aRviraxsnili iyo 

xelisuflebis qceva jer gavr- 

ilovis da mere gabunias ginebis 

Semdeg. xelisufleba, qalbatoni 

prezidenti, bodiSebs uxdida 

ruseTs da Semdeg rodesac putin- 

ma aqeT okupantebi gveZaxa, zur- 

abiSvilma araTu mwvave, saerTod 

pasuxi ar gasca. nebismier sakiTxze 

gaiZaxis, rom misi kompeten- 

cia araa. rogorc irkveva, misi 

saqme mxolod putinis lokva da 

atmis krefa yofila. 

_ saerTod, is reaqcia, rac 

qarTul saxelmwifos hqonda putinis 

bolodroindel gancxadebebze, 

SemaSfoTebelia. iyo uamravi 

bodiSi da Tavze nacris yra erTi 

Jurnalistis ucenzuro gamoTqmis 

gamo da absoluturad sruli dumili 

putinis gancxadebebze! okupantma 

aqeT Cven gveZaxa okupantebi. 

arc qalbatonma prezidentma, 

arc sagareo saqmeTa saministrom, 

arc premier-ministrma, arc parlamentma 

ar SeimCies es ambavi! saer- 

TaSoriso sazogadoebis TvalSi 

mainc daefiqsirebinaT pozicia putinis 

Tavxedur gancxadebebze. 

saxelmwifo xar maSin, rodesac 

adekvatur nabijebs dgam da rodesac 

sxva saxelmwifos meTauri Sens 

saxelmwifoze aseT gancxadebebs 

akeTebs, warmoudgenelia, rom 

reaqcia ar gqondes! 

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elevizio sezoni emociurad daasrula 

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ardadegebs, jer ar icis, Tumca apirebs, rom Svebulebis dReebi 

mxolod sakuTar Tavs dauTmos da ganaxlebuli ZalebiT 

daubrundes mayurebels. „sxva rakursis” satelevizio sezoni 

amjeradac didi reitingiT sargeblobs, Tumca gadacemas erT- 

erTi Zlieri prodiuseri, maia stefnaZe gamoaklda. ra moxda 

megobrebs Soris? ratom ver SeinarCuna reitingulma gadace- 

mam mniSvnelovani prodiuseri? vin ebrZvis gia jajaniZes? 

rogor icavs Tavs da ra aris misi warmatebis formula? 

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seuli da tkiviliani istoriebiT, 

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yvelaze didi intriga da xri- 

ki iyo is, rom TiTqos gia jajani- 

Zis bolo gadacemas vuyurebdiT 

„imedze”, rac Sokismomgvreli aR- 

moCnda Seni mayureblisTvis _ 

ratom gadawyvite aseTi formiT 

dagesrulebina satelevizio se- 

zoni? 

_ saerTod, xuTi wlis manZilze 

tradicia gvqonda, rom satelevizio 

sezonis bolo gadacemas vakeTebdiT 

baTumSi. mayurebels 

vuziarebdiT bednierebas, sikeTes, 

simRerebs da a. S. 

vinaidan telekompania „imedSi” 

bevri cvlileba moxda, prodiuseri 

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Cems gadacemaSic Semetana. bevri 

ar mifiqria, adrec mqonda es 

idea da Cems xelmZRvanelobas gavacani. 

moewonaT da gadacemis Cawera 

daviwye. mindoda, marTla gulwrfeli 

gadacema yofiliyo da 

asec moxda. prodiuserebs vuTxari, 

romelic kadrebic surdaT, is 

aerCiaT. am kadrebze spontanurad 

movyvebodi da istoriebs gavixsenebdi. 

marTlac, sakuTar Tavs siurprizi 

movuwyve, Tumca siurprizebi 

saSinlad maRizianebs. ubralod, 

rodesac, gadacemis Cawera 

daviwye, winadadebidan _ „sezonis 

bolo gadacema” _ amovagde sityva 

„sezoni” da anonsSi darCa _ bolo 

gadacema. 

momewona, patara intriga davtove, 

xriki ar miTxra _ mwyins! es 

ar iyo xriki, es iyo moulodneli 

patara intriga. Zalian didi warmosaxvis 

unari maqvs, marTla megona, 

rom es Cemi bolo gadacema 

iyo, imdenad gulwrfeli viyavi, marTla 

megona, yvelas da yvelafers 

vemSvidobebodi. 

yvelaferi iyo am gadacemaSi: 

cremli, mogoneba, frangmentebi 

Zveli gadacemebidan, tkivilebi, 

yvelaferma erT wamSi gaiara... warmoidgineT, 

rodesac am gadacemis 

Casawerad studiaSi Sevdiodi, pirjvari 

gadaviwere, es maSinac ar 

gamikeTebia, rodesac sul pirveli 

gadacema Cavwere. 

gulSi CamrCa da mere raRacnairad 

SemeSinda, imdenad gulwrfeli 

viyavi, vifiqre, vaime, xom ar 

vkvdebi-meTqi?! operatorebis garda 

aravin iyo studiaSi, ucnauri 

SegrZnebebi mqonda, Tumca gadacemis 

bolos pirdapir da gasagebad 

vTqvi, rom es iyo sezonis bolo gadacema 

da axal sezonamde davemSvidobe 

Cems mayurebels. 

_ yovelTvis arsebobs miTqma- 

moTqma, rom daxurvas gipireben. 

realurad xom ar yofila aseTi 

saubari? 

_ mTeli gadacemis dros imdenad 

mjeroda, rom bolo gadacemas 

vwerdi, xalxma aRar gaigo Cemi 

bolo winadadeba, ar undoda moesmina, 

magram ratom ver gaigo, es 

aRar vici. dRemde fiqroben, rom 

„sxva rakursi gia jajaniZesTan 

erTad” eTerSi aRar gava. jer anonsis 

gasvlis Semdeg iyo ambavi 

atexili, zarebi ar wydeboda, mere 

gadacemis eTerSi gasvlis Semdeg 

mamSvidebdnen, rom aucileblad 

gavakeTebdi axal gadacemas sadme 

sxvagan, mixsnidnen siyvaruls, zogma 

damcina: WiaTuraSi gaxsnas 

televizia da iq wavideso. 

aRar vici xolme, guli rogor 

unda amoviRo, rom adamianma damijeros. 

danamdvilebiT SemiZlia 

giTxraT, rom miuxedavaT Worebisa, 

rac „sxva rakursi” arsebobs, 

arasdros damdgara sakiTxi gadacemis 

daxurvis Sesaxeb. ubralod, 

Worebs agorebdnen, es bolo ambavi 

ki me gavakeTe, magram sityva „gadacema 

ixureba”, ar miTqvams. 

_ rogorc aRniSneT, gulwrfe- 

li gindoda, yofiliyavi. yve- 

laferi TqviT am gadacemaSi, risi 

Tqmac gsurdaT? 

_ bevri rame amovWeri, dro ar 

gveyo. erT rames getyvi: ar vici, 

SeiZleba, asakis matebasTan erTad 

Wkuac makldeba, bevr rames veRar 

vyvebi, Tumca Cemi cxovreba saocrebebiT 

savsea da xSirad mixdeba 

Tavis marTleba. warmoidgine, 

yovelTvis vcdilob, raRac situaciebSi 

marto ar viyo. sul minda, 

mowmeebi myavdes da roca mowme arsebobs, 

mixaria, _ Tu rames vityvi, 

isini damemowmebian mainc... Zalian 

bevri saTqmeli darCa, romelsac, 

albaT, mere, rodesac movxucdebi, 

Cems wignSi davwer yvelafers. arafers 

movityuebi, radgan sikvdilis 

win azri aRar eqneba tyuils. 

weris procesSi var da xandaxan 

vfiqrob, male davwero yvelaferi, 

_ meSinia, uceb Tvalebi ar davxu- 

Wo da ar movkvde. 

_ sikvdilis geSinia? 

_ ar meSinia! ver vxvdebi, ratom 

unda meSinodes, iseTi adamianebi 

gardacvlilan. marTla gulwrfelad 

mifiqria da momridebia, 

roca viRac 25 wlis biWi gardaicvleba, 

momridebia fiqri da SiSic, 

radgan uceb axalgazrda adamiani 

kvdeba, me 60 wlis vxdebi da cocxali 

var. ra Tqma unda, imas ar vambob, 

rom neta, me movmkvdariyavi, 

magram raRacnairi gancda maqvs. 

Zalian ganvcidi amqveynidan adamianebis 

wasvlas. ZiriTadad, vinc 

rCeba, is itanjeba xolme da gadacemaSic 

vTqvi, _ erTaderTi survili 

maqvs, rom ar minda, dedaCemze 

`marTlac erTad daviwyeT. garkveuli periodi, 

erTi wlis manZilze, arc erTi Tema Cemi ar 

iyo, maia gaxldaT xerxemali da me viyavi 

sxeuli. ar gamomiva cudad, gulwrfeli viqnebi 

- sxeulis gareSe xerxemali araferi iqneboda~ 

adre movkvde-meTqi. ar minda, dedaCemi 

gamwardes. 

ramdenjerme frenis dros ra- 

Racnair situaciaSi aRmovCenilvar 

da mifiqria: „ra kargia, Tu 

haerSi movkvdebi, saflavic ar 

iqneba-meTqi”. sxvanairad vuyureb 

_ ar vici, am survils Semisruleben 

Tu ara, magram ar minda saflavi. 

rame adgilze mosvla ar aris 

saWiro, gulSi mitiron, roca es 

moxdeba. aseTi fiqrebi ki mawuxebs, 

magram guli sul bednieri maqvs, 

radgan es yvelaferi gavacnobiere. 

sicocxle imdenad miyvars, travmebi 

veRar mexeba... 

_ ar SemiZlia, ar gkiTxoT maia 

stefnaZeze, romelic Tqveni gadacemis 

xerxemali iyo, _ prodiuse- 

ri, romelic pirvelive dRidan 

gverdiT gedgaT da erTad akeTeb- 

diT reitingul Sous. ratom ver 

SeinarCuna „sxva rakursma” da gia 

jajaniZem Zlieri prodiuseri? 

_ levan, am Temaze saubari 

Zalian miWirs. yvelafers ver vityvi 

da ar vityvi. erTi ram Semi- 

Zlia vTqva, rogor daiwyo es yvelaferi: 

marTlac erTad daviwyeT. 

garkveuli periodi, erTi wlis 

manZilze, arc erTi Tema Cemi ar 

iyo, maia gaxldaT xerxemali da me 

viyavi sxeuli. ar gamomiva cudad, 

gulwrfeli viqnebi _ sxeulis 

gareSe xerxemali araferi iqneboda. 

Cven idealuri tandemi viyaviT, 

Tavidan cudi urTierToba 

gvqonda, Cven viyaviT ori adamiani, 

me infantiluri, Zalian Cumi, ara 

agresiuli, ukonfliqto, romelic 

xmas ar iRebda... da uceb boboqari 

maia. am ori adamianis dabalanseba 

Tavidan Zalian gaWirda, Tumca seriozuli 

konfliqti arasdros 

gvqonia. gvqonia, magram ar gvqonia. 

me momwonda is, rac mas ar moswonda 

da piriqiT. maias wasvlamde 

Tamamad SemiZlia vTqva da yvela 

TanamSromeli damemowmeba, rom 

„sxva rakursSi” maia iyo dedofali, 

telefonSic ase mewera, Zalian 

miyvarda... 

_ giyvarda? axla aRar giyvars? 

_ Zalian miyvarda, ar ifiqro, 

rom es sityva wamomcda _ miyvarda! 

Cven saaTobiT vlaparakobdiT 

telefonze da Zalian kargi urTierToba 

gvqonda. 

roca ori adamiani raRacas qmnis, 

amas movayoleb imas, rom maia 

stefnaZe muSaobda universitetSi, 

radioSi, saagentoSi, inga grigoliasTan, 

nanuka JorJolianTan da 

mas Cemamde icnobda mxolod 

garkveuli wre. 

Zalian miyvarda, Tumca Cemi es 

damokidebuleba mxolod maias ar 

exeba. rasac axla vambob, Cems yvela 

interviuSi miTqvams. yvelas 

mindoda gaego, vin akeTebda Cems 

gadacemas, Jurnalistebi movidodnen 

_ maias veZaxdi, _ modi, gverdiT 

damideqi-meTqi da Jurnalis 

garekanze erTad viyaviT. _ maia, 

modi, kadrSi minda gamoCnde-meTqi. 

amas imitom ki ar vakeTebdi, rom 

is gansakuTrebuli iyo, organu- 

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waikiTxavs minda, gabrazdes~ 

lad modioda Cemgan, mindoda, 

CemTan erTad yofiliyo is adamiani 

da gamoCeniliyo, enaxaT, vin 

iyo maia stefnaZe! imis Tqma minda, 

rom ar vici, ras yveba maia, ar vici, 

is ras ambobs am yvelaferze, ase 

movdiodiT erTad da is iyo sruli 

dedofali. Zalian ucnaur ra- 

Racas getyviT: me var Cemi gadacemis 

avtori da wamyvani da me Seme- 

Zlo maiasTvis meTqva: „maia, Sei- 

Zleba, wavide?” „maia, xval SeiZleba, 

ver movide?” anu Cemi ufrosi 

iyo, me daviniSne ufrosad, imitom, 

rom man kargad icoda yvelaferi. 

Tandayolili Tviseba 

maqvs, es marTla ar miswavlia da 

axlaxan miTxres, rom es Tviseba 

hqonia or did adamians, oRond tiranebs: 

mogiSveb bolomde, iqamde, 

rom SegiZlia uxeSad mexumro, 

makadro, mogiSveb da aba, ras izam 

mere da mere? da sami wertili... 

_ maia stefnaZe saubrobda, rom 

„imedidan” wamosvlis mizezi 

politikuri statusi iyo, romelic 

man socialur qselSi gamoaqveyna. 

rogor fiqrobT, es Sei- 

Zleboda yofiliyo mizezi Tu? 

_ maiaze miyvardas rom vambob, 

mwyins... magram mainc ase unda vTqva. 

minda, Tu maia stefnaZe am intervius 

waikiTxavs, gabrazdes! 

rac Seexeba maias wamosvlas, Cven 

TiTqmis erTi Tve ar vlaparkobdiT, 

prodiuserebis meSveobiT 

vkontaqtobdiT, radgan konfliqti 

mogvivida. maia ambobda, es stumari 

mova, me vambobdi _ es mindameTqi 

da ase viyaviT. davaneboT 

gadacemas Tavi, Cven gadacemis miRma 

Zalian kargi megobrebi viyaviT. 

erTad visaxavdiT mizans, Tuki 

„sxva rakursi” ar iqneboda, ras 

vizamdiT, rogor gavakeTebdiT... 

Cems erT patara mxaresac Sevexebi: 

Zalian bevri adamiani myavs da maiam 

es kargad icis. SemiZlia gir- 

Cio, giTxra, zust misamarTze gagagzavno 

imisTvis, rom yvelaferi 

kargad gqondes. bevri rame ar momwonda 

maiasi, iseve rogorc mas ar 

moswonda bevri rame Cemi, Tumca me 

praqtikuli adamiani var da Tu mas 

unda, sityvaze, movides politika- 

Si, maSin is unda iyos diplomati 

da diplomatiurad moiqces. gind 

daijereT da gind _ ara, is statusi 

Zalian gvian wavikiTxe, razec 

ambavi atyda. maia ise dadioda eTeridan 

eTerSi, Cven arc vlaparakobdiT 

im dros erTmaneTTan da 

roca uTxres, rom unda waxvide, im 

dros ra ilaparakes direqtorTan, 

marTla ar vici. erTi rame zustad 

vici, rasac yvela daadasturebs: 

maia bolos direqtorTan Sevida 

fleSkiT, sadac axali gadacema 

iyo Cawerili... mas „imedSi” aZlevdnen 

proeqtebs, vimeoreb, _ maia iyo 

dedofali, maia iyo nomer pirveli 

da amis Semdeg ra laparaki 

Sedga maT Soris, ar vici! arc is 

mjera, ar minda, rom maiam Seuracxyofilad 

igrZnos Tavi an ifiqron, 

viRacas xels vafareb. raSi mWirdeba 

viRacaze xelis dafareba, 

CemTvis vcxovrob, ra vqna, ver 

mainteresebs sxvisi cxovreba da ra 

dialogi Sedga iq, direqtoris kabinetSi, 

ar vici. Cem gamo rom maias 

iqidan aravin gauSvebda, es faqtia, 

radgan maiasTan sxva proeqtebzec 

iyo laparaki. me namdvil mizezs 

ver getyviT, Cven ar vsaubrobdiT 

Tve-naxevari, sanam wavidoda da 

arc imis mere gvisaubria. ar vici, 

im statusSi politikuri ra iyo, 

ìciT, rogor maqvs gaazrebuli `sxva rakursi~? - Cemze ukeTesi wamyvanebi 

arian da momavalSic iqnebian, Tumca me var me! ho, vtrabaxob, midi, gaakeTe 

ukeTesi da gamagde. Cemze simpaTiurebi arian, Cemze ganaTlebulebi arian, 

Cemze magrebi, Cemze axalgazrdebi, Cemze mdidrebic, yvelaferi Cemze meti 

aqvT da mainc me var, midi, mebrZole da mere? momige da ra, Tu momigeb?~ 

vis winaaRmdeg wavida... uaresebic 

uTqvamT „imedis” TanamSromlebs, 

eTerSi bevri kritikuli masala 

gadis da ar vici, maiam ufro kargad 

icis, axla me rom vicavde im 

direqtors, romelic ukve aRar 

muSaobs CvenTan da meSinodes, rom 

vaime, rame safrTxe ar Semeqmnaso, 

ara! axali xelmZRvaneloba hyavs 

„imeds”, aqedan gamomdinare, es ambavi 

mogiyeviT ise, rogorc aris. 

_ dedoflis gareSe ar gauWirda 

gia jajaniZes da „sxva ra- 

kurss”? 

_ ara, ar gamiWirda! 

_ yovelTvis sainteresoa satelevizio 

intrigebi. Cveni profe- 

sia, umetesad, ambiciur adamianebs 

aerTianebs, romlebsac uyvarT pi- 

rveloba da a. S. Tqven uamravi 

mteri gyavT da es gadacemaSic 

aRniSneT, rom aravin mogilocaT 

warmateba, rogor umklavdebiT 

profesiul Semotevebs? 

_ momismine, albaT arian da 

iciT, ratom vambob amas? me var 

adamiani, romelic yvelafers uSvebs. 

aravis vebrZvi, anu ar var 

CarTuli brZolaSi, Cems gundSi 

intriga ver iqneba da ratom, getyvi: 

rac ar gaukeTebia arc erTi 

Sous wamyvans, imas vakeTeb. maqvs 

moTxovnileba da amas damidasturebs 

ufro didi warsuli sxva 

satelevizio gamocdilebidan moyolebuli. 

Zalian minda, rom yvela 

gamoCndes kadrSi. erTi suli maqvs, 

staJiori Jurnalisti rodis dawers 

karg teqsts da roca es xdeba, 

veubnebi: gamodi, stendafi Cawere, 

gamoCndi, midi, gamoCndi! dedas 

geficebiT, es aris „sxva rakursi 

gia jajaniZesTan erTad”. Cemi fexebi 

iqneba, jgufi rom ar myavdes, 

visTan erTadac vakeTeb am Sous. 

bolomde viazreb, _ Cemi jgufi 

rom ar iyos, „sxva rakursi” ar iqneboda. 

yvelas vexmarebi. CemTan 

staJirebaze erTi adamiani iyo, 

romelsac kargi samsaxuri SesTavazes 

da isev CvenTan darCa, bolos 

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StatSi Casves. Cems gundSi Seuracxyofa 

aravisTvis mimiyenebia, 

amas veravin ityvis. TanamSromels 

SemiZlia yava movuduRo, vixumro 

da a. S. 

garedan Tu vinme mebrZvis, dae 

mebrZolos... iciT, rogor maqvs 

gaazrebuli „sxva rakursi”? _ Cemze 

ukeTesi wamyvanebi arian da 

momavalSic iqnebian, Tumca me var 

me! 

ho, vtrabaxob, midi, gaakeTe 

ukeTesi da gamagde. Cemze simpaTiurebi 

arian, Cemze ganaTlebulebi 

arian, Cemze magrebi, Cemze axalgazrdebi, 

Cemze mdidrebic, yvelaferi 

Cemze meti aqvT da mainc 

me var, midi, mebrZole da mere? momige 

da ra, Tu momigeb? iciT, ratom 

var sul mogebuli? arasodes 

vibrZvi, arasodes vixlarTebi intrigebSi, 

da iciT, ratom? Tu 

CemTan vinme mova da metyvis vinmeze, 

rom cudia, imdenjer vupasuxeb, 

ramdenjerac metyvis, _ Tavi 

daanebe, Tavisi gaWirveba yofnis... 

erT ambavs mogiyvebiT: vaime, 

guSin orma damoukidebelma Zalian 

cnobilma „sveckma” qalma erTmaneTze 

zurgs ukan sul goimi iZaxa. 

es rom gaigon, mokvdebian, 

saSineleba daemarTebaT. xo Cemzec 

amboben, goimuri gadacema aqvso, 

xo, mere ra? aris goimuri, mere ra 

ginda? mayurebeli myavs, vuyvarvar 

mayurebels. Tu ar giyvarvar, 

ar giyvarde, radgan ar SeiZleba, 

yvelas yvela uyvardes. damagemovnon 

da mixvdebian, rogori var... 

_ Tqvens gatacebebze minda 

gkiTxoT: ezoTerika, mistika, qvebi, 

samkaulebi, romlebsac sxvadasxva 

daniSnuleba aqvs. realu- 

rad, es xom ar gicavT boroti 

Zalebisgan? 

_ ici, ras getyvi, axla iseT 

provocirebas mikeTeb da ginda, 

provokaciaze wamomago?.. ori pasuxi 

maqvs. orive giTxra? 

_ miTxariT... 

_ iseTi qvebi maqvs, romelic ise 

micavs, rom rogorc ki mtrobas 

damipireb, saSineleba dagemarTeba, 

saSinlad damarcxdebi! aris erTi 

qva labratoridi da Tu ginda, rom 

SemWamo da momkla, SeiZleba saku- 

Tari Tavi SeWamo da mokla, imdenad 

Zlieria! ra Tqma unda, viyeneb 

ezoTerikas da ra Tqma unda, vici 

es yvelaferi. da axla meore pasuxi 

aris aseTi: qvebma rom rame 

icodnen, ver uyureb, ra xdeba 21- 

e saukuneSi?! daxoca xalxma erTmaneTi. 

sadac imas amboben, jajaniZe 

siyvarulis wamals akeTebso... 

me rom siyvarulis wamali mcodnoda, 

amdens vewamebodi? Zlivs 

movedi aqamde! imasac amboben, jajaniZem 

jadoebis keTeba iciso... 

_ gagikeTebiaT vinmesTvis 

jado? 

_ arasodes, kargi, raa. Zalian 

janmrTeli adamiani var. getyvi, 

Cemi saidumloeba raSia _ rogor 

giTxra, aba, es ar iTqmeba, marTla 

ar iTqmis! dRes SabaTia (interviu 

SabaTs Caiwera, _ red.), daRlili 

viyavi, gawamebuli da roca vfiqrob, 

axla davisveneb da telefonis 

zars ar vupasuxeb-meTqi, momwere 

da avinTe, Sen gindoda CemTan 

interviu. miTxari, rom samSabaTis 

nomerSi unda daibeWdos da SemomTavaze 

xval-zeg Cagvewera... ra 

momaTmeninebda zegamde an zeg, Sei- 

Zleba, sadme wavide... aha, movida sicocxle, 

mec mixaria da Senc gixaria! 

gana, interviu ar momicia an 

ar mimicia sxva JurnalisTvis, gazeTisTvis, 

pirvelia? mivxvdi, 

rogori var, miyvars yvelaferi da 

Cemi saidumloeba swored es aris. 

axla isev gamaxsenda: oooo, maiaze 

rogor var gabrazebuli, siyvaruli 

mabrazebs, CemTvis araferi 

dauSavebia, Tavis Tavs dauSava. 

yvelaferze da yvelaze metad gamixardeba, 

Tuki muSaobas daiwyebs! 

imitom, rom mSromelia, ukideganod 

mSromeli, Tavdadebuli... ici, 

ra mgonia? _ adamianebi cxovroben 

Cven irgvliv, oRond ar ician, rom 

acremlebuli telewamyvani 

da sezonis bolo Sou _ 

gia jajaniZe telekompania 

ìmeds~ ar datovebs 

gardacvlilebi arian. cxovroben, 

dadian, muSaoben, magram arian gardacvlilebi, 

Tavad ver xvdebian, 

mimixvdi? akeTeben saqmes, komunikaciaSi 

arian, magram aRar arian da 

ar ici, rogori survili maqvs, midrekileba 

maqvs, rom es adamianebi 

gavacocxlo! gamicocxlebia, 

marTla gamicocxlebia da ici, ra... 

ezoTerikaze rom vlaparakobdiT, 

ezoTerika marTla seriozuli 

mecnierebaa, oRond Tu Sen siyvaruli 

da rwmena ar gaqvs, ar arsebobs, 

rames miaRwio. ki aRwev, 

magram ar ginaxavs zenitSi myofi 

adamiani, rogori srialiT mofrinavs. 

qvebze rom mkiTxe, bolo 

Cakra aris iisferi da axla aRmoa- 

Cines merve Cakra, romelic anteniTaa 

SeerTebuli da am antenas es 

qva aaqtiurebs, romelic mikeTia. 

me ra vici, marTla aaqtiurebs Tu 

ara, magram mainc mikeTia... 

_ SesaZlebelia, Tqveni da maia 

stefnaZis tandemi isev vixiloT 

axali sezonidan? 

_ rogorc ca da dedamiwa ar 

SeerTdeba, ise Cven ver vimuSavebT 

erTd... 

_ SvebulebaSi xar da es yvelaze 

kargi periodia adamian- 

isTvis. jer ar gadagiwvetiaT, sad 

gaatarebT ardadegebs da visTan 

erTad? 

_ marto miyvars dasveneba da 

maSin visveneb, roca Cems TavTan 

var marto. narcisi ar var, magram 

vgiJdebi sakuTar Tavze. yovel- 

Tvis vukeTeb materializebas imas, 

rac me minda. yvelaferi Semisrulda, 

CarCoSi maqvs survilebic... jer 

ar vici, sad waval, rogor waval, 

Tumca vici, xalxmraval adgilze 

ver waval, imitom rom ver da ar 

damasveneben da vfiqrob, sanam xalxi 

gasuli iqneba, TbilisSi viqnebi 

da roca Semovlen TbilisSi, me 

gaval da davisveneb. 

_ rac Seexeba „sxva rakurssa” 

da axal satelevizio sezons, ra 

siaxles hpirdebiT mayurebels? 

_ siaxleebi iqneba, ufro metad 

iseT siaxleebze gavakeTebT gadacemas, 

romelic sazogadoebisTvis 

ar aris cnobili. zogjer mayurebeli 

marTalia, _ amovida yelSi er- 

Ti da igive saxeebi, mec ki amomivida 

ukve Cemi Tavic yelSi, aqedan 

gamomdinare, bevri gadacema meqneba 

socialur Temaze, aseve meqneba 

dafarul da moparul istoriebze, 

iqneba mistika, oRond sxva kuTxiT... 

daRvinda „sxva rakursi”, meeqvse 

welia da ukve skolaSi Sevida, 

aqamde baRSi iyo. vecdebi, ufro 

akademiuri iyos, magram am Cems 

Cacmulobas ra vuyo, ar vici... 

_ xom ar apireb axali imijis 

morgebas? 

_ raRa unda Sevicvalo?! Tavs 

Tu amovideb iRliaSi da ise waviyvan 

gadacemas, ra unda Sevcvalo, 

yvelaferi gakeTebuli maqvs. ise- 

Ti viqnebi, rogoric var, oRond 

ufro meti saintereso Tema meqneba. 

mayurebelze orientirebuli 

var, mas ra ainteresebs. Zalian bevri 

meubneba, rom pulsze midevs 

xeli, vici, ra unda da ra uxaria 

mayurebels. zustad vici, ra unda 

mayurebels, radgan sul davdivar 

da sul xalxSi var, adamianebi miyvars. 

davdivar da Camovjdebi 

xolme maRaziaSi, bazarSi, Sevdivar 

meoradebSi da yvelafers vaTvaliereb. 

me vici yvelafris fasi da 

ase davdivar da davbodialob. 

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galel qarTvelebs gvarebis 

ramdenime dRis win organiza- 


cia „samurzayanoel afxazTa sab- 

Wom” gaavrcela informacia, rom 

okupirebul afxazeTSi, kerZod, galis raionSi, 400-ze metma 

adamianma, romelic aqamde qarTvelad miiCneoda, „ZirZveli 

afxazur gvari” daibruna da afxazad Caewera. amasTan, aRniS- 

nuli organizaciis Tavmjdomaris moadgile ediSer zuxbam 

sazogadoebas amcno, rom e. w. oficialuri soxumi yvela 

galels, vinc „afxazur fesvebTan” dabrunebis survils 

gamoTqvams da afxazur gvars miiRebs, „afxazuri moqalaqeo- 

biTa” da aseve „axali pasportiT” „daasaCuqrebs”. 

sxvaTa Soris, niSandoblivia, 

rom axalxan galSi organizacia 

„samurzayanoel afxazTa sabWom” 

yriloba gamarTa. es organizacia 

mexuTe welia, arsebobs da am xnis 

ganmavlobaSi, rogorc zemoxsenebuli 

zuxba ambobs, afxazuri gvaris 

dabrunebis sakiTxSi daxmarebis 

mizniT mas 900-mde adamianma mimarTa. 

zuxbas cnobiTve, „ZirZveli 

afxazuri gvaris” dabrunebis survils 

galSi mcxovrebi is megrelebi 

gamoTqvamen, romlebsac afxazuri 

fesvebi aqvT, magram bolSevikebis 

dros iZulebuli gaxdnen, 

afxazuri gvarebi „megrulad” 

gadaekeTebinaT. 

„axla ki droa, samarTlianoba 

aRdges da xalxma ZirZveli, originaluri 

afxazuri gvarebi daibrunos”, 

_ citirebs zuxbas sityvebs 

okupirebuli soxumis media, 

romelic, rasakvirvelia, kremlis 

direqtivebis gamtarebelia. 

„Cveni sabWo dainteresebulia, 

rom galelebi rac SeiZleba swrafad 

integrirdnen afxazeTis cxovrebaSi 

da aRidginon Zveli afxazuri 

gvarebi. swored am mizniT, 

galis raionSi skola-internatis 

gaxsnaa dagegmili, sadac bavSvebi 

afxazur enasa da afxazeTis istorias 

Seiswavlian. saerTod, dRes 

galis raionis mosaxleobis 95% 

eTnikuri megrelia, Tumca yvelam 

kargad icis sakuTari afxazuri 

fesvebis Sesaxeb. iseTic bevria, visac, 

Tavis droze, afxazuri gvaris 

qarTulad gadakeTeba aiZules”, _ 

acxadeben 2014 wels daarsebul 

„samurzayanoel afxazTa sabWoSi”. 

aqve isic unda vTqvaT, rom sab- 

Wos wevrebi „ZirZvel afxazur 

gvarebad” anCabaZes, aZinbaias, aqiSbaias, 

gvaZabias, buTbaias, inaliSvils, 

qecbaias, kakubavas, ezugbaias, 

yolbaiasa da kidev aTze met 

gvars miiCneven. 

TvalnaTelia, rom es wminda 

rusuli scenaria, anu kremli yvelafers 

akeTebs, rom galis qarTuli 

mosaxleobis asimilacia moxdes. 

SeiZleba, zogma ikiTxos, adamians 

gvaris Secvla vin da rogor 

unda aiZuloso, magram aq erTi 

mniSvnelovani garemoebaa gasaTvaliswinebeli. 

kerZod, miuxedavad imisa, rom 

okupirebuli galis mosaxleobas, 

ase Tu ise, saqarTvelosTan komunikacia 

aqvs, is mainc didi wnexis 

qveS cxovrobs _ igive enguris xidis 

moulodnel Caketvaze rom 

araferi vTqvaT, eSmakma uwyis, okupantebsa 

da aseve separatistebs 

TavSi ra mouvaT da xalxs ra jojoxeTs 

mouwyoben. 

amas garda, isic mniSvnelovania, 

rom kremlisTvis galis raioni 

strategiuli adgilia da Sesabamisad, 

zustad amiT aixsneba, rom 

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ramdenime wlis win, putinis gadawyvetilebiT, 

galSi rusuli samxedro 

qalaqis mSenebloba daiwyo, 

anu 2016 wlis 21 noembers oficialuma 

moskovma e. w. oficialur 

soxumTan specialuri samxedro 

TanamSromlobis dokumenti gaaforma, 

romelsac _ arc meti, arc 

naklebi _ Tavad vladimir vladimiris 

Ze putinma, e. i., ruseTis 

prezidentma moawera xeli. 

ras iTvaliswinebs es dokumenti? 

_ rogorc maSin qarTvelma 

samxedro eqspertebma da politikurma 

analitikosebma Tqves, am 

dokumentiT kremli afxazeTze 

srul samxedro kontrols oficialurad 

daamyarebda da, principSi, 

asec moxda. 

„xelSekrulebis nebismieri mxaris 

mimarT agresiis mosagerieblad 

(SeiaraRebuli Tavdasxma) 

xelSekrulebis ZalaSi Sesvlidan 

erT weliwadSi qmnian erTobliv 

sajariso formirebas ruseTis sajariso 

da afxazeTis sajariso SenaerTebidan. 

agresiis safrTxis periodSi an 

saomari moqmedebebis dros gaer- 

Tianebuli formirebis sardlad 

iniSneba ruseTis federaciis mier 

ruseTis sajariso SenaerTis warmomadgeneli, 

xolo moadgiled _ 

afxazeTis respublikis sajariso 

SenaerTis warmomadgeneli. 

agresiis (SeiaraRebuli Tavdasxma) 

safrTxis arsebobas, romelic 

aris safuZveli gaerTianebuli 

sajariso formirebis Seqmnisa, 

adgens xelSekrulebis mxare- 

Ta SeTanxmebuli gadawyvetilebiT 

uflebamosili organo. 

gaerTianebuli sajariso formirebis 

Sesaxeb gadawyvetileba unda 

ecnobos afxazeTis respublikis 

jaris mTavarsardals”, _ naTqvamia 

am xelSekrulebis me-7 muxl- 

Si. 

„erT welze metia, galis dabali 

zonis soflebSi sakomendanto 

reJimi isedac moqmedebs. bolo 

TxuTmeti dRea, Cvens sofelSi 

damatebiT specialuri sapatrulo 

manqanebi gamoCndnen. rusebs sxva 

tipis formebi acviaT. yvelas gagvikvirda, 

radgan adre sxva formebi 

ecvaT, Tumca mivxvdiT, rom specialuri 

funqciebi akisriaT. 

jerjerobiT quCaSi gadaadgildebian 

da gvakvirdebian, magram 

xval ra iqneba, aravin icis”, _ ambobda 

maSin galis dabali zonis 

mosaxleoba. 

zogadad, galis garusebis an, 

gnebavT, gaafxazebis politikas 

jer kidev 11 wlis win, 2008 wlis 

agvistos omis Semdeg, Caeyara safuZveli, 

anu xuTdRiani omi dasrulda 

Tu ara, kremlma galis raionis 

mTeli teritoria e. w. sasazRvro 

zolad gamoacxada. 

2009 wels ki iq pirveli rusuli 

samxedro danayofebi Sevidnen. 

`marTalia, qarTveli var, magram minda Tu ara, 

afxazad unda davregistrirde da gvaric 

Sevicvalo, radgan sxva gza da arCevani ar 

maqvs, anu Tu afxazuri azuri pasporti ar meqneba, 

qonebas ar damiregistrireben. bevri araferi 

maqvs, magram Tu ar daviregistrire, am 

mciredsac wamarTmeven. amitom iZulebuli var, 

afxazad davewero da gvaric Sevicvalo. ai, Cemi 

Zma ukve ramdenime welia, `gaafxazda 

aafxazda~ imitom, 

rom galis miliciaSi muSaobda da ase rom ar 

moqceuliyo, samsaxuridan gamoagdebdnen~ 

maleve galSi rusuli samxedro 

bazebis mSenebloba daiwyo. pirveli 

samxedro baza sofel fiCorSi 

aSenda, Semdeg ki mdinare enguris 

gaswvriv mdebare xuT sofelSi _ 

otobaiaSi, nabakevSi, WuburxinjSi, 

lekuxonasa da saberioSi. 

„aRniSnuli samxedro bazebi ma- 

Rali donis infrastruqturiTaa 

aRWurvili. oficrebis nawili bazebze 

ojaxebiTurT cxovrobs, Ti- 

Toeul bazaze jariskacebisa da 

oficrebis kontingenti sxvadasxvanairia, 

yvelaze didi samxedro 

baza qalaq galSi mdebareobs. 

saerTo jamSi, amJamad galis 

raionSi rva samxedro baza funqcionirebs 

_ eqvsi mdinare enguris 

sanapiro zolzea ganlagebuli, 

erTi qalaq galSi da erTic sofel 

oqumSi”, _ iuwyeboda ramdenime 

wlis win qarTuli media. 

samxedro bazebis aSenebis Semdeg, 

kerZod, 2015 wels, galSi, 

soxumis separatistuli reJimis 

gadawyvetilebiT, mosaxleobis 

aRwera Catarda. am aRweriT gairkva, 

rom galis raionis dabali zonis 

soflebSi 17 800 qarTveli cxovrobs. 

saerTo jamSi ki galis 

raionSi qarTvelebis ricxvi 40- 

dan 43 aTasamde meryeobs. 

„gali male samxedro qalaqad 

gadakeTdeba. im samxedro bazebiT, 

rac axla afxazeTSi arsebobs, rusebi 

isedac yvelafers akontroleben. 

sanapiroze eqvsi uzarmazari 

samxedro bazaa ganlagebuli, romelic 

sruliad sakmarisia imisTvis, 

rom es teritoria gaakontrolos... 

roca rusebi Semovidnen, xSirad 

gveubnebodnen, aqedan wasvlaze 

arasdros arafers getyviT, magram 

iseT mZime pirobebs SegiqmniT, rom 

iZulebuli gaxdebiT, aqauroba Tavadve 

datovoTo. aseT reJims, albaT, 

bevri ver Seegueba da engurs 

gaRma gadasaxldeba, _ ambobda sami 

wlis win galis raionSi mcxovrebi 

erT-erTi qarTveli da dasZenda, _ 

yvelaferi mkacrdeba da saqme 

iqiTken midis, rom amiT afxazeTis 

teritoriis aneqsia erTxel da 

samudamod dasruldeba. SesaZlebelia, 

sul male afxazeTis yirimizacia 

miviRoT da amiT afxazeTi 

ruseTs SeuerTdeba. 

Cven aq arafers gvekiTxebian, 

radganac aq Cven meorexarisxovani 

moqalaqis funqcia gvaqvs. arCevnebSi 

monawileobis uflebasac ar 

gvaZleven. 

ise, piradad CemTvis, gaugebaria, 

es samxedro bazebi risTvis Sendeba, 

an sazRvari visgan unda daicvan? 

yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT, 

gudauTaSi sabWoTa kav- 

Sirisdroindeli „bomboras samxedro 

baza” arsebobs, sadac ruse- 

Tis Tavdacvis saministros 4 aTasi 

samxedroa. am rus jariskacebs 

mdinare enguridan 130 km-mde aSorebs. 

plus amas enguris sazRvars 

mTlianad ÔÑÁ akontrolebs. hoda, 

iqneb, vinmem gagvagebinos, damatebiTi 

bazebi raRa saWiroa?” 

galeli qarTvelis am ritorikul 

kiTxvas „qronika+”-is respondenti 

pasuxobs, romelic galis 

raionSi bolo dros ganviTarebul 

movlenebs rusuli hibriduli 

omis Semadgenel nawilad miiCnevs: 

„1990-iani wlebis bolosa da 

2000-iani wlebis dasawyisSi samegreloSi 

vmuSaobdi da am zonas _ ganmuxuridan 

dawyebuli kodoris xeobiT 

damTavrebuli _ kargad vicnob. 

mTeli es perimetri sul 75 kilometria, 

romelsac maSin Cveni 

Zalovani uwyebebi akontrolebdnen. 

dRes ki operatiuli kontroli, 

praqtikulad, moSlilia. 

galis raions mxolod zugdidis 

ki ara, walenjixis soflebic 

esazRvreba. swored amitomac vambob, 

rom operatiul kontrols 

Zalian didi mniSvneloba aqvs, miT 

umetes, rom am teritoriaze ruse- 

Tis SeiaraRebuli Zalebis warmomadgenlebi 

TavaSvebulad iqcevian! 

saerTod, mas mere, rac de faqto 

xelisuflebasa da ruseTs Soris 

e. w. saxelmwifo sazRvris er- 

Tobliv dacvaze xelSekrulebis 

ratificireba moxda, galis raionis 

qarTuli mosaxleoba, praqtiku- 

24 N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.


Secvlas aiZuleben! 

lad, rezervaciaSi aRmoCnda... 

afxazeTSi qarTvelTa eTnowmenda 

grZeldeba! es hibriduli 

omia, romelic 25 welia, mimdinareobs 

da romelic xan aqtiur fazaSia, 

xanac _ pasiurSi. 

am oms zogjer ekonomikuri 

diversiis saxec aqvs. 

diax, es Cveulebrivi omia, romlis 

mTavari mizanic saqarTvelos 

evrointegraciis damuxruWeba da 

Cveni ruseTisken Setrialebaa!” _ 

gveubneba adamiani, romelsac uSiSroebis 

organoebSi muSaobis mravalwliani 

gamocdileba aqvs da 

swored amitom sakuTari vinaobis 

gamxelisgan Tavs ikavebs. 

Cveni inkognito respondenti, 

romelic rusuli specsamsaxurebis 

TamaSebs zedmiwevniT kargad 

icnobs, imasac ambobs, rom galSi 

dawyebuli „gvarebis Secvlis kampania” 

e. w. pasportizaciis konteqstSi 

unda ganvixiloT, anu laparakia 

imaze, rom okupirebul afxazeTSi, 

kerZod, galSi, ukve dafiqsirda 

precedenti, roca e. w. afxazur 

pasportSi adgilobriv mcxovrebs 

erovnebad „megreli” Cauweres 

da es ambavi soxumis mediam 

didi zarzeimiTac gaaSuqa. 

„aqamdec mqonda ganaxlebuli 

afxazuri pasporti, sadac erovnebad 

„qarTveli” mewera, magram sapasporto 

ganyofilebas mivmarTe 

da istoriuli samarTlianobis 

aRdgena movTxove. am uwyebis TanamSromlebi 

Cems moTxovnas gagebiT 

Sexvdnen da ramdenimeTviani 

Sesabamisi procedurebis Semdeg 

pasportis erovnebis grafaSi 

„megreli” Camiweres. 

rodesac es pasporti miviRe, 

ara mxolod Cemma, Cemi winaprebis 

sulebmac gaixares. isini odiTganve 

ocnebobdnen, megrelebad 

daweriliyvnen”, _ ganucxada maSin 

robert gawereliam soxumis 

televizias. 

zogadad, gvarebis Secvlis 

procesi, romelic axla galSi mimdinareobs 

da romelsac adgilobrivi 

xelisufleba „istoriul 

fesvebTan dabrunebas” uwodebs, 

axla ar dawyebula. am, ase vTqvaT, 

kampaniam ramdenime wlis win aiRo 

starti. kerZod, 2017 wlis ivlis- 

Si adgilobrivma xelisuflebam gamoacxada, 

rom im eTnikur qarTvelebs, 

romlebic afxazebad daregistrirdebodnen 

da amasTan, gvarsac 

afxazurad gadaikeTebdnen, 

afxazeTis e. w. moqalaqeobas miani- 

Webda. maSin es „iniciativa” galSi 

mcxovrebma bevrma qarTvelma miiRo, 

radgan sxva gza ar hqonda. 

„marTalia, qarTveli var, magram 

minda Tu ara, afxazad unda 

davregistrirde da gvaric Sevicvalo, 

radgan sxva gza da arCevani 

ar maqvs, anu Tu afxazuri pasporti 

ar meqneba, qonebas ar damiregistrireben. 

bevri araferi maqvs, 

magram Tu ar daviregistrire, am 

mciredsac wamarTmeven. amitom 

iZulebuli var, afxazad davewero 

da gvaric Sevicvalo. ai, Cemi Zma 

ukve ramdenime welia, „gaafxazda” 

imitom, rom galis miliciaSi mu- 

Saobda da ase rom ar moqceuliyo, 

samsaxuridan gamoagdebdnen. 

ise, ar modian da iaraRiT ar 

gvadgebian, ginda Tu ara, qarTuli 

gvari afxazuriT SeicvaleTo, 

magram jobia, iaraRi dagvadon, 

vidre kuTxeSi migvimwyvdion”, _ 

ambobs galis raionis erT-erTi 

àrsebobs aSkara niSnebi, rom moskovi afxazeTSi dayovnebas ganusazRvreli 

droiT apirebs. soxumis centrTan axlos ganlagebulia kargi, axlad aSenebuli 

TormetsarTuliani sacxovrebeli nagebobebi im rusi oficrebisTvisa, romlebic 

afxazeTSi samxedro samsaxurs gadian. amas garda, ruseTma afxazeTSi aseve 

aaSena ramdenime keTilmowyobili samxedro qalaqi - samxedro daniSnulebis 

obieqti, aseve axali saerTo sacxovreblebi samxedroebisTvis~ 

mcxovrebi. 

„es galis qarTuli mosaxleobis 

asimilaciis gegmaa”, _ amboben eqspertebi. 

maTive ganmartebiT, yvelafer 

es ramdenime wlis win imiT 

daiwyo, rom galis ZirZvel qarTvelebs 

pasportebi CamoarTves da 

mis nacvlad e. w. binadrobis dokumenti 

misces. 

„am „pasportis” gareSe galeli 

qarTvelebi, principSi, uuflebo 

moqalaqeebad iqcnen. amitom piradad 

me ar mikvirs, rom xalxi 

iZulebulia, gvari Seicvalos. sxvaTa 

Soris, komunistebis drosac 

iyo SemTxvevebi, roca qarTvelebi 

gvars afxazurad ikeTebdnen da 

afxazebad ewerebodnen, radgan 

afxazebs garkveuli privilegiebi 

hqondaT. yvelafers Tavi rom davaneboT, 

Tu pasportSi afxazi gewera, 

maSin umaRlesSic advilad 

abarebdi”, _ gviyveba Cveni inkognito 

respondenti. 

is, rom okupirebuli soxumi 

qarTvelebis asimiliaciis politikas 

kremlis miTiTebiT atarebs, 

erTi garemoebidanac Cans, anu e. w. 

afxazuri kanonebiT ormagi moqalaqeoba 

akrZalulia. e. i., Tu 

okupirebul teritoriaze, am Sem- 

TxvevaSi, galSi mcxovrebi qarTveli 

afxazur pasports aiRebs, is 

iZulebuli gaxdeba, saqarTvelos 

moqalaqeobaze uari Tqvas. am realobis 

winaSe galeli qarTvelebi 

mimdinare wlis dasawyisSi dadgnen. 

soxumis de faqto administraciam 

„ormagi moqalaqeobis” privilegia 

mxolod pensionerebs dautova. 

N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w. 

ise, „ormagi moqalaqeoba” mxolod 

saqarTvelos SemTxvevaSi 

ikrZaleba, anu galels ar SeuZlia, 

„afxazeTis moqalaqeobasTan” er- 

Tad, saqarTvelos moqalaqeobac 

hqondes, Torem Tu ruseTis moqalaqeobas 

miiRebs, am SemTxveva- 

Si, problema ar Seeqmneba. 

gvarebis iZulebiTi Secvlis 

paralelurad, galeli qarTvelebi 

kidev erTi safrTxis winaSe dganan, 

anu SeiZleba, ise moxdes, rom 

isini galidan gaasaxlon. marTalia, 

jer aseTi faqti ar dafiqsirebula, 

magram ramdenime wlis 

win rusi samxedroebi, romlebic 

okupirebul afxazeTSi mravlad 

arian, qarTvelebs eubnebodnen, 

rom dasjidnen da gadaasaxlebdnen. 

es muqarac, rasakvirvelia, rusuli 

hibriduli omis nawilia. 

SeiZleba, pirdapir am TemasTan 

ar aris kavSirSi, magram Cveni inkognito 

respondenti, sakuTar wyaroebze 

dayrdnobiT, gveubneba, rom 

okupirebul afxazeTSi afxazebsa 

da somxebs Soris garkveuli bzaria 

gaCenili, rac afxazeTSi mcxovrebi 

qarTvelebisTvis da, zogadad, 

mTeli saqarTvelosTvis safrTxis 

Semcveli iyo. 

„Cems xelT arsebuli araoficialuri 

informaciiT, afxazeTSi 

afxazebsa da somxebs Soris garkveuli 

bzari gaCnda. amitom somxeTis 

sasuliero pirebma saWirod miiCnies, 

rom afxazeTSi mcxovrebi 

somxebisTvis miemarTaT, erTad 

unda iyoT da Tu gaiTiSebiT, amiT 

àseTi dramatulia okupirebuli galisa da, 

zogadad, afxazeTis realoba, realoba, 

romelic iq mcxovreb qarTvelebs aiZulebs, 

sakuTar gvarsa da erovnebaze mxolod imitom 

Tqvan uari, raTa sicocxle SeinarCunon! 

yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare, calkeuli 

politikuri wreebis iniciativa, rom ar 

SeiZleba, ruseTs okupanti veZaxoT da jobia, 

masTan saurTierTobod saxalxo diplomatia 

avirCioT, rbilad rom vTqvaT, nonsensia! 

diax, ruseTi okupantia da amas yvelaze kargad 

okupirebul teritoriebze mcxovrebi 

qarTvelebi acnobiereben!~ 

saqarTvelos wisqvilze daasxamT 

wyalso. Tu informacia dadasturda, 

es Cveulebrivi skandalia, radgan 

aRniSnuli faqti somxeTis eklesiis 

mxridan saqarTvelos politikaSi 

pirdapiri Careva da Cven 

winaaRmdeg ZirgamomTxreli saqmianobis 

aRiarebaa, rac Zalian saSi- 

Si tendenciaa, Tan ar dagvaviwydes, 

rom ruseTis eklesia afxazeTSi 

saqarTvelos eklesiis kanonikas 

aRiarebs. 

sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime xnis win 

vladimir putinma ruseTis sazRvao-samxedro 

Zalebis doqtrina 

gamoaqveyna, romelic saqarTvelosTvis 

saxifaToa, anu es doqtrina 

Sav zRvaze ruseTis geostrategiul 

da samxedro interess naTlad 

gamoxatavs da es dokumenti 

sagangaSo mxolod CvenTvis ki ara, 

ukrainisa da natosTvisacaa, radgan 

ruseTi Riad acxadebs, Sav 

zRvaze gabatonebas viwyebo. 

saamisod, yirimis saxiT, pirveli 

nabijebi ukve gadadgmulia. 

afxazeTis sanapiro didi xania, ruseTisaa. 

darCenilia odesis olqi 

da moldova. uxeSad rom vTqvaT, 

rusis jari SeiZleba, aWaraSic Sevides 

da Tqvas, es Cemi geostrategiuli 

interesiao da morCa... 

mokled, ruseTis sazRvaosamxedro 

doqtrina CvenTvis didi 

gamowvevaa, romelsac Tavdacvis 

doqtrina unda davupirispiroT, 

rac ar gvaqvs. romeli doqtrina, 

roca samxedro-sazRvao Zalebic 

ar gvyavs. Zalian mainteresebs, 

sazRvao-samxedro Zalebi CvenTvis 

prioritetuli ratom ar aris? Tu 

sahaero Tavdacvis sistemebze 

vlaparakobT, imaze ratom arafers 

vambobT, rom sazRvao ZalebisTvis 

mcuravi saSualebebia saWiro? es 

Tema Tavdacvis saministrosTvis 

prioritetuli ratom ar aris?” _ 

kiTxulobs Cveni respondenti. 

erTi sityviT, yvela zemoxsenebuli 

oficialuri da araoficialuri 

informaciis Sejamebas Tu 

gavakeTebT, SesaZloa, mivideT daskvnamde, 

rom okupanti ruseTi afxazeTidan 

wasvlas arasodes apirebs. 

sxvaTa Soris, aseTi gancda 

saerTaSoriso krizisuli jgufis 

im eqspertebs, romlebmac okupirebul 

afxazeTSi erTi kvira gaa- 

tares, jer kidev ramdenime wlis 

win SeeqmnaT. 

2013 wlis aprilSi gamoqveynebul 

angariSSi _ „afxazeTi: didi 

gza Serigebamde” _ vkiTxulobT: 

„2008 wlis agvistos omma saSualeba 

misca ruseTs, am teritoriaze 

Tavisi samxedro yofna gaemyarebina. 

Tavad ruseTis xelisuflebis 

warmomadgenelTa gancxadebiT, 

amJamad afxazeTis teritoriaze 

5-aTasiani rusuli samxedro 

kontingenti imyofeba: 3,5-aTasiani 

jari da, plus, 1,5 aTasi federaluri 

usafrTxoebis samsaxuris 

samxedro mosamsaxure da mesaz- 

Rvre. 

bolo wlebis ganmavlobaSi moskovma 

samxedro infrastruqturis 

obieqtebis rekonstruqciisa da 

mSeneblobebisTvis 465 milioni aSS 

dolari gamoyo, maT Soris, samuSaoebisTvis 

amierkavkasiaSi umsxviles 

aerodromze _ bomboris 

samxedro aerodromze, gudauTaSi. 

ruseTis federaciam aseve gaaremonta 

moculobiT ufro mcire, 

Tumca didi strategiuli mniSvnelobis 

mqone sazRvao porti 

oCamCireSi, romelic saqarTvelos 

mier kontrolirebadi teritoriidan 

30 kilometrSi mdebareobs... 

afxazeTSi ruseTis federacia 

agebs axal garnizonebs Tavisi samxedro 

nawilebisTvis, rus samxedroebs 

ki, romlebic afxazeTSi samxedro 

samsaxurs gadian, samxedro 

samsaxuris dasrulebis Semdeg 

aqvT ufleba, iq darCnen da afxazeTis 

moqalaqeebi gaxdnen. arsebobs 

aSkara niSnebi, rom moskovi 

afxazeTSi dayovnebas ganusazRvreli 

droiT apirebs. soxumis centrTan 

axlos ganlagebulia kargi, 

axlad aSenebuli TormetsarTuliani 

sacxovrebeli nagebobebi im 

rusi oficrebisTvisa, romlebic 

afxazeTSi samxedro samsaxurs gadian. 

amas garda, ruseTma afxazeT- 

Si aseve aaSena ramdenime keTilmowyobili 

samxedro qalaqi _ samxedro 

daniSnulebis obieqti, aseve 

axali saerTo sacxovreblebi samxedroebisTvis. 

saerTo sacxovreblebi 

da sacxovrebeli saxlebi 

rusi samxedro mosamsaxureebisTvis 

aseve agebulia galis raion- 

Si, anu iq, sadac kompaqturad cxovroben 

qarTvelebi. 

qalaq galis centridan, daaxloebiT, 

or kilometrSi wamomar- 

Tulia axali samxedro qalaqi, 

Tanamedrove aTsarTuliani sacxovrebeli 

korpusebiT rusuli 

garnizonisa da rusi samxedroebis 

ojaxis wevrebisTvis. es qalaqi zemodan 

dahyurebs mezoblad mdebare 

Zvel qarTul saxlebs, romlebic 

didi xania, qarTvelebma miatoves 

da romlebic gaZarcvulgapartaxebulia. 

es rusuli samxedro qalaqi, 

romlis SigniTac rusuli marTlmadidebluri 

eklesiaa aSenebuli, 

xuTmetriani betonis kedliTaa 

garSemortymuli, romelsac zemodan 

mWidrod Semovlebuli aqvs 

ekliani mavTulxlarTi. mTel perimetrze 

damontaJebulia ramdenime 

aTeuli videokamera”. 

erTi sityviT, aseTi dramatulia 

okupirebuli galisa da, zogadad, 

afxazeTis realoba, realoba, 

romelic iq mcxovreb qarTvelebs 

aiZulebs, sakuTar gvarsa da 

erovnebaze mxolod imitom Tqvan 

uari, raTa sicocxle SeinarCunon! 

yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare, calkeuli 

politikuri wreebis iniciativa, 

rom ar SeiZleba, ruseTs 

okupanti veZaxoT da jobia, masTan 

saurTierTobod saxalxo diplomatia 

avirCioT, rbilad rom vTqvaT, 

nonsensia! diax, ruseTi okupantia 

da amas yvelaze kargad okupirebul 

teritoriebze mcxovrebi 

qarTvelebi acnobiereben! 

25

qeTevan enuqiZis gverdi 

saCxeris municipalitetis mim- 

dinare proeqtebi 

premier-ministris 2019 wlis 18 

ivlisis gankargulebiT (#1669), 

maRalmTiani regionebis ganviTarebis 

fondidadan ramdenime municipalitets 

infrastruqturuli 

samuSaoebisTvis 9 470 000 lari 

gamoeyo. 

saCxeris municipaliteti: 2 118 

975 lari; 

goris municipaliteti: 441 750 

lari; 

gurjaanis municipaliteti: 1 

284 297 lari; 

baRdaTis municipaliteti: 469 

870 lari; 

cageris municipaliteti: 1 094 

550 lari; 

Coxatauris municipaliteti: 78 

261 lari; 

axalcixis municipaliteti: 653 

332 lari; 

ambrolauris municipaliteti: 

305 104 lari; 

Telavis municipaliteti: 336 

287 lari; 

WiaTuris municipaliteti: 696 

500 lari; 

tyibulis municipaliteti: 212 

600 lari; 


(370,000 lari) 

sami monawile 

xelSekruleba ZalaSia: 

20.03.2019-30.06.2020; 

4. sofel sairxeSi (mesxebis ubnidan 

sofel merjevis dekanoiZeebis 

ubnamde) saavtomibilo gzaze 

rkina-betonis safris mowyoba. 

murman togoniZe _ 387,228 lari 

(484,034 lari) 

oTxi monawile 


20.03.2019-30.07.2020; 

5. sofel argveTis sabavSvo 

baRis samSeneblo samuSaoebi 

Sps „artgrupi”, 168,000 lari 

(197,860 lari) 

oTxi monawile 


26.03.2019-31.12.2019; 

6. sofel WorvilaSi wereTlebis 

ubanSi sasaflaos SemoRobvisa 

da q. saCxereSi sasaflaos teritoriaze 

safexmavlo bilikis mowyobis 

samuSaoebi. 

badri lomauriZe, 17,601 lari 

(22,000 alri) 

sami monawile 


27.02.2019-31.12.2019 

statusi: Sesrulebuli xelSekruleba; 

7. q. saCxereSi dosiTeos wereT- 

traciul erTeulSi Semavali soflebis 

sasmeli wylis sistemebis 

mowyobis samuSaoebi. 

individ-partniori 1,272,993 

lari (1,591,240 lari) 

sami monawile 


05.04.2019-30.09.2020; 

12. soflebis: jalaurTa, begiauris 

gzis monakveTis reabilitacia. 

Sps „qrosfointi” 240,401 lari 

(273,628 lari) 

ori monawile 



19.04.2019-30.08.2020; 

18. sofel korboulSi Zlevis 

wminda giorgis eklesiidan goraZiris 

mimarTulebiT saavtomobilo 

gzaze rkina-betonis safris mowyoba. 

murman togoniZe, 339,000 lari 

(400,000 lari) 

marto monawile 


24.04.2019-30.08.2020; 

19. sofel nigvzaraSi xaraiSvilebis 

ubanSi saavtomobilo gzaze 

rkina-betonis safris mowyoba. 

19.04.2019-31.12.2019; 

23. sofel durevSi saritualo 

darbazis sarekonstruqcio samuSaoebi. 

Sps „baundles”, 16,001 lari 

(20,000 lari) 

sami monawile 


29.03.2019-27.07.2019; 

24. q. saCxereSi gadaudebeli 

daxmarebis centris SemoRobvisa 

da ezos keTilmowyobis samuSaoebi. 

vefxia lomauriZe, 23,995 lari 

(29,993 lari) 

rogor 

ixarjeba 

biujetis fuli 

saCxereSi? 

onis municipaliteti: 337 585 

lari. 

saCxeris municipalitetSi gansaxorcielebeli 

proeqtebia: 

1. sofel SomaxeTSi saavtomobilo 

gzebis reabilitacia 599 853 

lari (569 850 lari); 

2. sofel perevSi saritualo 

darbazidan blokpostisken saavtomobilo 

gzaze rkina-betonis 

safris mowyoba _ 1 019 094 lari 

(968 082 lari); 

3. sofel cxamis sasmeli wylis 

sistemis mowyoba 500 088 lari (475 

084 lari). 

amave dros gTavazobT saCxeris 

municipalitetis mier 2019 wels 

gamocxadebul Sesyidvebs: 

1. soflebis: gorisa, gamoRma 

argveTi, savane-argveTis saavtomobilo 

gzis sareabilitacio samuSaoebi. 

murman togoniZe 581,626 lari 

(750,000 lari) 

sami monawile 


20.03.2019-30.09.2020; 

2. qoreTis administraciul 

erTeulSi Semavali soflebis: 

qoreTis, kalvaTisa da pasieTis 

saavtomobilo gzaze rkina-betonis 

safris mowyoba. 

Sps „jTb golden eij” _ 393,000 

lari (480,000 lari) 

oTxi monawile 


15.03.2019-30.07.2020; 

3. soflebis: sxvitorisa da Cixis 

damakavSirebel gzaze rkina-betonis 

safris mowyobis samuSaoebi. 

murman togoniZe 296,001 lari 

lis quCaze saqalaqo parkis mowyobis 

samuSaoebis saproeqto saxarjTaRricxvo 

dokumentaciis momzadeba. 

Sps „inJineriusi”, 29,660 lari 

(29,660 lari) 



22.02.2019-31.12.2019; 

8. sofel sxvitoris teritoriaze 

godouras wyarosTan skverisa 

da mimdebare teritoriisa da q. 

saCxereSi yofili meTesleobis 

laboratoriis teritoriaze skveris 

mowyobis samuSaoebis proeqtisa 

da gegmis momzadebis, xarjebis 

gamoTvlis momsaxureba. 

nana axvlediani, 12,111 lari 

(16,945 lari) 

sami monawile 


04.03.2019-31.12.2019; 

9. saCxeris municipalitetis 

soflebis: Walisa da Cixis sabavSvo 

baRebis Senobebis sarekonstruqcio 



Sps „akeTi 2017", 9,400 lari 

(16,945 lari) 

xuTi monawile 


26.02.2019-31.12.2019; 

10. q. saCxereSi centraluri 

stadionis sarekonstruqcio samuSaoebi. 

Sps TU-KA, 223,844 lari (249,965 

lari) 



29.03.2019-09.10.2019; 

11. sofel qoreTis adminis- 

10.04.2019-08.09.2019; 

13. sofel moxvaSi misasvleli 

gzis reabilitacia. 

Sps „kavkasenergo”, 360,672 lari 

(360,672 lari) 

ori monawile 


23.04.2019-21.09.2019; 

14. sofel Walis SemovliTi 

gzis mowyobis samuSaoebi, 


(404,305 lari) 

ori monawile 


19.04.2019-17.09.2020; 

15. korboulis administraciul 

erTeulSi, ConTos dasaxlebis misasvlel 

gzaze, rkina-betonis safris 

mowyoba. 

Sps „jTb golden eij”, 137,513 


ori monawile 


22.03.2019-20.07.2019 

xelSekrulebis moqmedebis vadas 

gadacilebuli dReebi: 9 

gadaxdili Tanxa: 125,627,53 

lari (91%); 

16. sofel liCidan sofel Rodoras 

mosacdelamde rkina-betonis 


Sps „betko”, 397,000 lari 

(474,437 lari) 



19.04.2019-30.08.2020; 

17. sofel dunTis saavtomobilo 

gzaze rkina-betonis safris 

mowyoba. 


(325,000 lari) 

sami monawile 


(605,394 lari) 



19.04.2019-30.09.2020; 


teritoriaze minis stadionebis 

mSeneblobisTvis saproeqto saxarjTaRricxvo 


Sps „mravalkuTxedi” 9,400 lari 

(10,590 lari) 



19.03.201931.12.2019; 

21. 2019-2020 wlebis ganmavlobaSi 

saCxeris municipalitetSi gansaxorcielebeli 

50 000 larze meti 

Rirebulebis infrastruqturuli 

obieqtebis saproeqto-saxarjTaRricxvo 

dokumentaciis inspeqtirebis 

angariSisa (eqspertiza) 

da samSeneblo samuSaoebze sazedamxedvelo 

momsaxurebis gaweva, 

aseve 2019-2020 wlebSi dawyebuli 

da mravalwliani samSeneblo samuSaoebis 

sazedamxedvelo momsaxureba 

samuSaoebis dasrulebamde 

Sps „sainJinro monitoringis 

jgufi” _ 540,000 lari (540,000 

lari) 

ori monawile 


01.05.2019-31.01.2022; 

22. q. saCxereSi durmiSiZisa da 

raWis quCebze arsebuli ministadionebis 

sarekonstruqcio samuSaoebi. 

„global standartmSeni” 76,392 


ori monawile 


xuTi monawile 


25.03.2019-24.07.2019; 

25. sofel argveTSi muxran ma- 

Wavarianis saxelobis skveris 

keTilmowyobis samuSaoebi 

mamia xerxaZe, 16883.86 lari 

(19,923 lari) 

sami monawile 


25.03.2019-23.07.2019; 

26. q. saCxereSi rusTavelis qu- 

Caze „gelbaxianebis tbis” sadrena- 

Je arxis mowyoba. 

zviad abuTiZe, 14,965 lari 

(14,965 lari) 



25.03.2019-24.05.2019; 

27. sofel cxomareTis saavtomobilo 


Sps „betko”, 280,331 lari 

(305,550 lari) 

ori monawile 


16.05.2019-13.10.2019; 

28. sofel merjevSi memorialidan 

centraluri saavtomobilo 

gzis mimarTulebiT gzis reabilitacia. 

Sps „mSenservisi 55", 124,978 


xuTi monawile 

155 dRe xelSekrulebis moqmedebis 

vadis amowurvamde; 

29. q. saCxereSi darCenil ubnebsa 

da CixebSi saavtomobilo gzebis 

reabilitacia. 

murman togoniZe, 491‘393 lari 

(614,240 lari) 

ori monawile 


26 

26 N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.

16.05.2019-30.09.2020; 

30. sofel cxamSi eTo exvevis 

ubnidan mefrinveleobis fabrikisken 

saavtomobilo gzaze rkina-betonis 

safris mowyoba. 


(655,571 lari) 

sami monawile 


16.05.2019-30.09.2020; 

31. sofel sairxeSi sabavSvo 

baRis sareabilitacio samuSaoebi. 

marina kuzmina, 36,001 lari 

(45,000 lari) 



03.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel CixaSi administraciuli 

Senobis, ezos keTilmowyobisa da 

sofel WalovanSi saritualo darbazebis 

keTilmowyobis samuSaoebi. 


(37,520 lari) 



17.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


soflebSi: CixaSi, qveda orRulSi, 

sairxeSi saniaRvre arxebisa da 

sofel xvansa da liCSi napirsamagrebis 



(43,635 lari) 

ori monawile 


24.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel qoreTSi, ivanwmindaSi, WorvilaSi, 

cxomareTSi wyalgamtari 

milisa da sofel itavazasa da 

cxamSi wyalmomaragebis sistemis 


aleqsandre kacitaZe, 37,730 




17.05.2019-31.12.2019 


soflebSi: CixaSi, zeda orRulSi, 

merjevSi, ivanwmindaSi mosacdelebis, 

sofel moZvSi stadionis 

SemoRobvis, sofel sairxeSi, moxvaSi 

xidbogirisa da sofel merjevSi 

sayrdeni kedlis mowyobis 

samuSaoebi. 

vaxtang kuWaSvili, 47,973 lari 

(48,945 lari) 



17.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


soflebSi saubno gzebis moxreSvi- 

Ti samuSaoebi. 

Sps „kaskadi”, 58 888 lari (77,034 

lari) 

sami monawile 


22.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel merjevSi, ivanwmindasa da 

WurnalSi gzaze rkina-betonis safris 


Sps „luka&mariami”, 46,727 lari 

(46,727 lari) 



24.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel korboulSi, nigvzaraSi da 

gorisaSi gzaze rkina-betonis safris 


Sps „goCa”, 37,358 lari (40,167 

lari) 

sami monawile 


24.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel korboulSi gzaze rkina-betonis 

safris mowyobis samuSaoebi 

Sps „rubikoni 2019", 46,400 lari 

(49,991 lari) 

sami monawile 


24.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel gamoRma argveTsa da itavazaSi 



Sps „sk specmSenservisi” 48 884 


ori monawile 


10.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel argveTSi, savanesa da SalaurSi 



Sps „amo”, 42 958 lari (44,969 

lari) 

sami monawile 


24.05.2019-31.12.2019; 

42. sofel SomaxeTis saavtomobilo 


Sps „betko”, 599 852 lari 

(599,854 lari) 

ori monawile 


11.06.2019-09.11.2019; 

43. sofel cxamis sasmeli wylis 

sistemebis mowyobis samuSaoebi. 

amxanagoba „eles”, 500 088 lari 

(604,733 lari) 

sami monawile 


13.06.2019-09.11.2019; 

44. sofel perevSi saritualo 

darbazidan blokpostisken saavtomobilo 

gzaze rkina-betonis 


murman togoniZe. 1 019 033 lari 

(1,168,665 lari) 

es proeqti moxseniebulia aseve 

premier-ministris gankargulebaSi, 

romelic am xelSekrulebis dadebidan 

erTi Tvis Semdeg gamoiqca. 

sami monawile 


14.06.2019-23.10.2019; 


sofel nigvzarasa da SomaxeTSi 

gzaze rkina-betonis safris mowyobis 

samuSaoebi. 

vaxtang kuWaSvili, 43 107 lari 

(44,363 lari) 

ori monawile 


06.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel savaneSi gzaze rkina-betonis 


daviTi gulordava, 38 926 lari 

(46,253 lari) 

ori monawile 


30.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel sxvitorSi, cxomareTsa da 

moxvaSi gzaze rkina-betonis safris 


Sps „luka&mariami”, 49 587 lari 

(49,594 lari) 



30.05.2019-31.12.2019; 

48. q. saCxereSi z. gamsaxurdias 

q. #8-Si mdebare mravalbiniani 

sacxovrebeli saxlis pirveli da 

meore sadarbazos liftebis aRdgeniTi 

samuSaoebi. 


aleqsandre menabdiSvili, 13 521 


ori monawile 


22.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel korboulSi sisvaZeebis 

ubanSi dawyebiTi skolis samSeneblo 

samuSaoebi. 

Sps „goCa”, 88 121 lari (98,123 

lari) 

ori monawile 


22.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel moZvsa da jalaurTaSi gzaze 

rkina-betonis safris mowyobis 

samuSaoebi. 

aleqsandre kereseliZe, 41,422 




30.05.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel Worvilasa da maxaTaurSi 


samuSaoebi. 

Sps „fortuna 2000", 44 608 lari 

(44,609 lari) 

ori monawile 


14.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel WalaSi, Ronasa da drboSi 


samuSaoebi. 

Sps „fortuna 2000" _ 41 040 


ori monawile 


14.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel Cixasa da kalvaTaSi gzaze 

rkina-betonis safris mowyobis samuSaoebi. 

daviT cercvaZe, 36,077 lari 

(45,095 lari) 

xuTi monawile 


06.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel qoreTSi gzaze rkina-betonis 


Sps „jTb golden eij”, 35 976 


oTxi monawile 


14.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel zeda da qveda orRulSi 


samuSaoebi. 


(48,846) 

6 monawile 


06.06.2019-31.12.2019; 

56. q. saCxereSi daviT aRmaSeneblis 

quCa #12-Si mdebare sacxovrebeli 

korpusis fasadebisa da 

ezos keTilmowyobis samuSaoebi. 

Sps „fortuna 2000", 50 227 lari 

(50,227 lari) 

1 monawile 


10.06.2019-31.12.2019; 

57. q. saCxeris municipalitetis 

sofel qoreTSi, jalaurTSi administraciuli 

Senobebisa da 

sofel dunTaSi aleqsandre 

TodaZis sacxovrebeli saxlis saxuravebis 

reabilitacia. 

zaza abuTiZe, 34 838 lari 

(43,565 lari) 

5 monawile 


10.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


soflebis: argveTis, gorisis, 

nigvzaras, sxvitoris, SomaxeTis 

sajaro skolebis sportuli darbazebis 

Weris sareabilitacio da 

sofel gorisisa da moZvis sajaro 

skolebis Sesasvleli karebis sareabilitacio 

samuSaoebi. 

i/m aleqsandre aznaraSvili, 

46,021 lari (52,319 lari) 

1 monawile 


14.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


soflebis: baxioTis, jriis, eTo 

exvevis sajaro skolebis SemoRobvisa 

da sofel sxvitoris, baxio- 

Tisa da eTo exvevis sajaro skolebis 

gare sapirfareSoebis mowyobis 

samuSaoebi. 


(45,115 lari) 

1 monawile 


10.06.2019-30.12.2019; 


sofel Walis sajaro skolis sareabilitacio 

samuSaoebi. 

Sps „mSenservisi 55", 48,408 lari 

(49,373 lari) 

1 monawile 


28.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel argveTSi kiparoiZeebisa da 

qvaTaZeebis ubnis wyalmomaragebis 

sistemis mowyoba. 

daviT cercvaZe, 18 426 lari 

(19,769 lari) 

1 monawile 


03.07.2019-31.12.2019; 

62. sofel icqisis sakanalizacio 

sistemis mowyobis (dasruleba) 

samuSaoebi. 

Sps „aiti servisi”, 93,494 lari 

(117,075 lari) 

4 monawile 


04.07.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel durevSi saavtomobilo 


samuSaoebi. 

Sps „meka”, 924 247 lari (1,094,839 

lari) 

2 monawile 


15.07.2019-31.08.2020; 


sofel sairxesa da qvemoxevSi gzaze 

rkina-betonis safris mowyobis 

samuSaoebi. 

Sps „axali WiaTura”, 45 395 


2 monawile 


26.06.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel perevSi SukakiZeebisa da 

toroSeliZeebis ubanSi xidebis 

mowyoba. 

badri lomauriZe 201 988 lari 

(201,991) 

1 monawile 


08.07.2019-30.06.2020; 


sofel zeda orRulsa da bajiTSi 


samuSaoebi. 

goderZi abramiSvili, 34,754 


1 monawile 


02.07.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel sarekSi gzaze rkina-betonis 


Sps „beso 041", 30,665 lari 

(30,665 lari) 

1 monawile 


02.07.2019-31.12.2019; 


sofel speTSi, perevSi, jriasa da 

WalovanSi gzaze rkina-betonis 


Sps „guja”, 49,990 lari (52,530 

lari) 

1 monawile 


03.07.2019-31.12.2019; 

69. socialurad SeWirvebuli 

mosaxleobis organizebulad kvebis 

momsaxureba. 

Sps „magi”, 17,988 lari (20,000 

lari) 

1 monawile 


28.06.2019-31.01.2020; 

70. sofel cxamSi axali ambulatoriis 

Senobis mSenebloba. 

gamocxadda 03.07.2019. 

Sesyidvis savaraudo Rirebuleba 

_ 95,619 lari; 


soflebis: xvanis, maxaTauris, Salauris, 

qvemoxevisa da moZvis sasmeli 

wylis sistemebis mowyobiTi samuSaoebis 

saproeqto saxarjTaRricxvo 


gamocxadda 11.07.2019 

Sesyidvis savaraudo Rirebuleba: 

120,000 lari; 

72. sofel CixaSi restoran „wisqvilebTan” 

arsebuli safexmavlo 

xidis burjebis gamagreba, Walis 

administraciul erTeulSi, sakoxias 

ubanSi, md. yvirilaze sacalfexo 

xidis reabilitacia 



37,577 lari; 


soflebsa da q. saCxereSi saavtomobilo 

gzebze rkina-betoniT mowyobiTi 





550,000 lari; 


teritoriaze gamavali Rele sairxulasa 

da merjeulas Semkrebi sawisqvile 

arxis gawmenda da napirsamagri 

samuSaoebi. 



485,531 lari; 


sofel sxvitoris, Cixisa da orRulis 

sasmeli wylis sistemis mowyobiTi 

samuSaoebi. 



7,600,000 lari. 

(sxva municipalitetebis proeqtebis 

Sesaxeb informacias „qronika+” 

etapobrivad gamoaqveynebs) 

N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w. 

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mkvdari buzi saWmelSi 

qarTuli turizmis dilema 

20 ivnisidan moyolebuli, viRa- 


cebi viSviSeben da wuwuneben, ai, 

rusi turistebis nakadi Semcir- 

dao. ki batono, marTlac, ar aris sasiamovno, roca turistul 

sezons problemebi eqmneba, magram ratom vakeTebT aqcents 

maincdamainc rus da ara _ evropel da amerikel turistebze? 

iqneb, imitom, rom CrdiloTeli stumrebi didad arc momsax- 

urebas aqceven yuradRebas da maincdamainc arc komfortze 

iklaven Tavs? sxvaTa Soris, es mosazreba im adamianebSi, romlebic 

e. w. turizmis biznesSi arian CarTulebi, erTob aqtu- 

aluria. am saqmis specialistebi imasac amboben, rom rusi tur- 

istebis „niriaxobam” qarTveli maspinZlebis nawilic, rbilad 

rom vTqvaT, gaazarmaca. axla, SesaZloa, es yvelas ar exeba, 

magram imas mogiyvebiT, rac sakuTari TvaliT vnaxe. 

mokled, ramdenime dRis win, megobrebTan 

erTad, siRnaRs vestumre. 

„siyvarulis qalaqi”, rasakvirvelia, 

aqamdec mqonda nanaxi, magram 

iman, risi momswre da mnaxvelic 

axla gavxdi, rogorc ityvian, 

yovelgvar molodins gadaaWarba. 

mokled, vinc namyofi xarT, gecodinebaT: 

im taZris mimdebared, 

sadac wminda ninos saflavia, kafe 

„piligrimi” mdebareobs. garegnulad 

es sazkvebis obieqti „feSenis” 

STabeWdilebas tovebs, magram ai, 

momsaxurebaze ra mogaxsenoT. 

erTi sityviT, megobrebma yava 

SevukveTeT da verandaze davsxediT. 

yavis moduRebas, gawie-gamowie, 

sami-oTxi wuTi sWirdeba, magram 

orjer sami-oTxi wuTi rom gavida, 

lodiniT SevwuxdiT da mimtan 

gogonas, romelic kafes Sida perimetrSi 

ise iyo gamagrebuli, gegoneba, 

obieqts mtrisgan icavso, 

vkiTxeT, _ yava ramden xanSi iqnebao? 

kaxelma gogom almacerad Semogvxeda 

da SemogvbRvira, _ duRdebao. 

meti ra gza gvqonda? _ lodini 

gavagrZeleT da amasobaSi 35 wu- 

Tamde gavida. mimtan gogonas isev 

SevaxseneT, _ yava ramden xanSi 

iqnebao? 

_ Tqveni yava mzadaa! _ avi 

dedamTiliviT SublSekrulma Semogvxeda. 

_ mere, sadaa, ratom ar 

mogaqvT? _ gavuRimeT. 

_ me unda mogitanoT? _ Seicxada 

mimtanma da tuCebi mopruwa. 

_ aba, vin unda mogvitanos? 

Tqvens kafeSi TviTmomsaxurebaa? _ 

ar moveSviT. 

_ ara, TviTmomsaxureba ar aris. 

_ maSin, Tu SeiZleba, yava mogvitaneT 

da angariSic moayoleT. 

_ angariSs daxlTan getyvian da 

fulsac iq gadaixdiT, _ calybad 

mogvigdo mimtanma. 

meti ra gza gvqonda? _ daxl- 

Tan mivediT, Cveni gasacodavebuli 

yava wamoviReT, angariSic gavasworeT 

da iqauroba mduRaregadasxmulebiviT 

davtoveT. 

sxvaTa Soris, saqarTveloSi 

moqmedi kanonmdeblobiT, moweva 

Ria sivrceSi dasaSvebia. mogexsenebaT, 

veranda Ria sivrcea, magram, 

miuxedavad amisa, aRniSnuli 

kafes verandis marjvena mxares 

mowevas vin Civis, lamis sigaretis 

kolofis gamoCenac dasjadia. ai, 

marcxena fligelSi ki SegiZliaT, 

„yiraze dadgeT”, oRond imis imedi 

ar gqondeT, rom vinme saferfles 

mogitanT. yovel SemTxvevaSi, 

Cvens magaliTze ase moxda _ magidaze 

„biCokebiT” savse saferfle 

dagvxvda. mimtan gogonas milionjer 

vuTxariT, _ egeb, magida gawmindoT 

da saferflec dacaloTo, 

magram Cveni Txovna darCa „xmad 

mRaRadeblisa udabnosa Sina”. 

hoda, iZulebuli gavxdiT, urna 

mogveZebna da „biCokebiT” savse 

saferfle Tavad dagvecala. 

sxvaTa Soris, gverdiT magidasTan 

indoeli col-qmari ijda 

da, Cveni ar iyos, yavas amaod eloda. 

gamovelaparakeT. 

_ delidan varTo, _ gviTxres 

da dasZines, _ saucxoo qveyana 

gaqvT, adamianebic Zalian Tbilebi 

xarT, magramo... 

_ ra „magram”? _ gagvikvirda. 

_ ai, Tqveni samzareuloc Zalian 

mogvwons, magram momsaxurebis 

done mTlad maRali ver ariso. 

ra unda gvepasuxa? _ iZulebuli 

gavxdiT, saubris Tema Segvecvala. 

siRnaRi saRamo xans davtoveT. 

sofel kakabeTs rom gamovcdiT, 

facxebi SevniSneT. erT-erTma Cvenganma 

Tqva, _ aq namyofi var, ugemrieles 

xinkals akeTebeno. hoda, bevri 

aRar gvifiqria da gavCerdiT. 

`TbilisSi turistuli avtobusis moZraoba 

SeuZlebelia. turisti muzeumSi an msgavs 

dawesebulebaSi rom migyavs, iq misvla da 

mgzavris asvla-Camosvla rTulia. parkirebaze 

saubaric zedmetia. turistebisTvis transportis 

miwodeba da sazogadoebrivi sapirfareSoebis 

ararseboba TbilisisTvis yvelaze didi 

problemaa. turisti rom dagyavs quCebSi, 

ubralod, keTilmowyobili sapirfareSo da 

xelis gadasabani mainc unda iyos~ 

Rirs Tu ara zafxulis gatareba 

saqarTveloSi da aqvs Tu ara 

ganviTarebis perspeqtiva 

turizmis industrias? 

simarTle giTxraT, xinklis didi 

moyvaruli ar gaxlavarT, amitom 

CemTvis Semwvari badrijani da 

kameCis mawoni SevukveTe. siRnaRisgan 

gansxvavebiT, facxis mimtani 

sul Tavze gvevleboda. nivriani 

badrijanic uswrafesad momarTva, 

magram rad gindaT? _ zeTsa da 

niorSi mkvdari buzi tivtivebda. 

_ erTi wuTiT, _ vaniSne mimtan 

diacs. 

wamis uswrafesad Cvens magidasTan 

gaCnda. 

_ xedavT? _ mkvdar buzs 

vaCveneb. 

_ diax, vxedav, _ iRimis. 

_ mere? _ gaRimebas arc vcdilob. 

_ ara. 

_ es rogor? 

_ kargi, axla, kaco, _ Rimilidan 

kiskisze gadadis mimtani, _ etyoba, 

mZime cxovreba hqonda da Tavi 

moikla! 

_ SeiZleba, magram iqneb, es 

badrijani waiRoT da sxva ulufa 

moitanoT. 

_ ki batono, waviReb, magram 

ormagis gadaxda mogiwevT. 

_ ratom? _ gaocebas ver vmalav. 

_ imitom, rom meore „porcias” 

mikveTavT. 

_ meore porcias ki ar gikveTavT, 

buzian da binZur saWmels 

gatanT! 

_ es ra laparakia? _ iukadrisa 

mimtanma da dasaxmareblad menejers 

uxmo. 

ase iyo Tu ise, kaxur facxaSi 

vaxSmobis survili mec davkarge da 

Cemma Tanmxlebma pirebmac. 

mokled, es ori SemTxveva naTelyofs, 

rom momsaxurebis sfero 

CvenSi met-naklebad ki ara, principSi, 

saerTod ganuviTarebelia. 

hoda, axla warmoidgineT, evropel-amerikel 

turistebs es ambebi 

rom gadaxdes, rogor ganwyobaze 

dadgebian an zafxulis Tu zamTris 

saqarTveloSi meored gatarebis 

survili kidev gauCndebaT? 

kidev erTi didi problema, 

romelic qarTul turizms aferxebs 

_ arc meti, arc naklebi _ sapirfareSoa, 

anu kilometrebs ise 

gaivliT, rom bunebriv moTxovnilebas 

versad daikmayofilebT 

da, bolos, iZulebuli gaxdebiT, 

bunebaSi „gaiseirnoT”. 

sxvaTa Soris, sazogadoebrivi 

sapirfareSoebis nawili samarTavad 

adgilobriv xelisuflebebs 

aqvT gadacemuli, magram municipalitetebis 

Tavkacebs, rogorc 

Cans, utydebaT, rom TavianTi Zvirfasi 

dro tualetebis mowyoba-mowesrigebaze 

daxarjon. arada, nebismieri 

turisti swored am problemaze 

amaxvilebs yuradRebas. 

zogadad, mxolod Cveni ki ara, 

ganviTarebuli qveynebis ekonomikisTvisac 

turizmi, rogorc ityvian, 

xerxemalia. amitomac turizmi 

is industriaa, romelsac mTel 

msoflioSi stabiluroba da usafrTxo 

garemo ganapirobebs. amas- 

Tan, turizmi samuSao adgilebsac 

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da gabrazebuli mimtani 

qmnis, zrdis mosaxleobis Semosavlebs, 

axdens ekonomikis diversifikacias, 

oRond turizmi momgebiani 

maSinaa, roca, adgilobriv 

RirsSesaniSnaobebTan erTad, vizitorebs 

karg momsaxurebasac 

SevTavazebT. 

mokled, turizmis ganviTareba 

mxolod survilsa da gegmaze araa 

damokidebuli. warmatebuli turizmisTvis 

sxva niuansebis daxvewac 

aucilebelia da amas arc ucxoeli 

eqspertebi uaryofen. amasTan, 

am saqmis specialistebi da igive 

investorebic, romlebic mzad arian, 

qarTul turizmSi kapitali 

daabandon, amboben, rom es industria 

ganviTarebis sawyis etapzea. 

sxvaTa Soris, am Temaze ramdenime 

wlis win „amerikis xmam” saintereso 

statia gamoaqveyna, sadac 

naTqvami iyo: 

„saqarTvelos regionuli ganvi- 

Tarebis fondis direqtori esben 

emborgi, acxadebs, rom mravalmxrivi 

politikuri riskebidan gamomdinare, 

ucxoeli investorebi 

Tavs ikaveben qarTul bazarze Semosvlisgan 

da qarTuli biznesebisTvis 

sesxis micemisgan, Tumca miuxedavad 

amisa, iseTi finansuri 

organizaciebi, romlebic investiciebs 

sarisko kapitalSi abandeben, 

warmatebiT arTmeven Tavs 

ekonomikis sxvadasxva sferoSi, maT 

Soris, turizmis industriaSi investirebas”. 

ase da amgvarad, qarTuli turizmis 

umTavresi nakli infrastruqturuli 

mouwesrigeblobaa da am 

problemaze saubars im adamianebis 

nawilic ar gaurbis, vinc turistul 

biznesSia CarTuli. 

„gzebi ar aris sakmarisad ganviTarebuli 

da am gzebze sapirfareSoebi 

ar dgas. e. w. masobrivma 

turizmma transportisa da momsaxurebis 

xarisxi Zalian dawia. pirvel 

rigSi isaa mosagvarebeli, rom 

yvela, vinc am biznesSia, gadamxdeli 

gaxdes. ZiriTadad iranidan, indoeTidan, 

ruseTidan Camosuli 

turistebi iaf serviss irCeven. 

iafiani servisis arseboba cudi 

araa, magram saubaria dabal xarisxze”, 

_ ambobs erT-erTi turistuli 

kompaniis warmomadgeneli da 

dasZens, rom yvelaferTan erTad, 

gidisa da mZRolis gamijvnac unda 

moxdes, anu rogorc irkveva, xSirad 

mZRoli, romelsac gazze gadayvanili, 

marjvenasaWiani manqana 

aqvs, ambobs, mZRoli ki ara, gidi 

varo. amis gamo ki SeiZleba, ise 

moxdes, rom gidis profesiam azri 

dakargos, Tan turistma, romelsac 

mZRoli ama Tu im RirsSesani- 

Snaobaze sasurvel da amomwurav 

informacias ver miawvdis, saqar- 

Tveloze guli aicruos da aq dasvenebis 

rekomendacia Tavis axloblebs 

aRar misces. 

es problema, rogorc turizmis 

biznesis warmomadgenlebi amboben, 

saxelmwifos CareviT unda gadawydes: 

„saxelmwifom gadamxdelebi 

unda gazardos, anu gaarkvios, gadasaxads 

yvela kompania ixdis Tu 

ara da am sferoSi ukanono biznesic 

xom ar arsebobs? 

amas garda, oficialurma struqturebma 

transportis xarisxsac 

unda mixedon da araprofesional 

mZRolebs maRali tevadobis manqanebiT 

komerciuli saqmianobis 

ufleba aukrZalon. 

rac mTavaria, misaxedia infrastruqtura, 

maT Soris, sazogadoebrivi 

sapirfareSoebi, gzebi da 

sagzao niSnebic mosawesrigebelia, 

rac TbilisSi yvelaze didi problemaa, 

anu Tu Tbiliseli ar xar, 

gzas ver gaagneb”. 

turistuli biznesis warmomadgenlebi 

imasac amboben, rom 

qarTuli turizmis ganviTarebisa 

da am sferoSi arsebuli naklovanebebis 

aRmosafxvrelad aucilebelia, 

saxelmwifom profesiul 

saswavleblebs xeli Seuwyos, anu 

saubaria gidebisa da mZRolebis 

specialur momzadebaze: 

„mZRoli mxolod manqanis tarebas 

ar niSnavs. specialuri kursi 

unda gaiaros mZRolmac da gidmac, 

radgan maT turistebTan uSualo 

Sexeba aqvT. 

TbilisSi turistuli avtobusis 

moZraoba SeuZlebelia. turisti 

muzeumSi an msgavs dawesebulebaSi 

rom migyavs, iq misvla da mgzavris 

asvla-Camosvla rTulia. 

parkirebaze saubaric zedmetia. 

turistebisTvis transportis 

miwodeba da sazogadoebrivi sa- 

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`20 ivnisis Semdeg xelisufleba gvamunaTebda, ai, antisaokupacio aqciebis 

gamo erovnuli valuta gaufasurda da amis umTavresi mizezi ruseTidan 

turistebis Semosvlis Semcirebaao, magram am dReebSi oficialuri 

monacemebi gaxda cnobili, romlis Tanaxmadac, rusi turistebis 

raodenoba araTu Semcirda, piriqiT, gaizarda. yovel SemTxvevaSi, 

turizmis erovnulma saagentom sazogadoebas amcno, rom ivlisSi 

saerTaSoriso vizitorebi 4.5%-iT gaizarda, turistul vizitebSi ki 

erTprocentiani zrdaa. saerTo jamSi, ivlisSi, vizitorebis raodenoba, 

gasul welTan SedarebiT, 5,8 procentiT gaizarda~ 

pirfareSoebis ararseboba TbilisisTvis 

yvelaze didi problemaa. 

turisti rom dagyavs quCebSi, 

ubralod, keTilmowyobili sapirfareSo 

da xelis gadasabani mainc 

unda iyos. 

regionebSi ki rekreaciuli da 

satransporto zonebis gamijvna 

unda moxdes”, _ amboben turistuli 

biznesis warmomadgenlebi. 

sxvaTa Soris, 20 ivnisis Semdeg 

xelisufleba gvamunaTebda, ai, 

antisaokupacio aqciebis gamo erovnuli 

valuta gaufasurda da amis 

umTavresi mizezi ruseTidan turistebis 

Semosvlis Semcirebaao, 

magram am dReebSi oficialuri monacemebi 

gaxda cnobili, romlis 

Tanaxmadac, rusi turistebis 

raodenoba araTu Semcirda, piriqiT, 

gaizarda. yovel SemTxvevaSi, 

turizmis erovnulma saagentom sazogadoebas 

amcno, rom ivlisSi 

saerTaSoriso vizitorebi 4.5%-iT 

gaizarda, turistul vizitebSi ki 

erTprocentiani zrdaa. saerTo 

jamSi, ivlisSi, vizitorebis raodenoba, 

gasul welTan SedarebiT, 

5,8 procentiT gaizarda. 

ris sanaxavad Camodian saqar- 

TveloSi turistebi? _ rogorc 

irkveva, rus vizitorebs umetesad 

ZirZveli qarTuli eklesiebi da 

religiuri adgilebi ainteresebT. 

arabuli qveynebis warmomadgenlebs 

Cveni qveynis buneba izidavT. 

ise, sazogadoebas emaxsovreba, 

rom turizmis ganviTarebas kaxa 

kalaZis, rogorc Tbilisis merobis 

kandidatis, programaSi erTerTi 

mTavari adgili ekava, anu 

kalaZe aqcents dedaqalaqSi kulturuli 

turizmis ganviTarebaze 

akeTebda da imasac ambobda, rom im 

SemTxvevaSi, Tu Tbilisis meri gaxdeboda, 

turistul marSrutebSi 

dedaqalaqSi arsebuli muzeumebi 

aqtiurad iqneboda warmodgenili. 

„yvela ganviTarebuli qveynis 

dedaqalaqSi muzeumebi qalaqis Semosavlis 

wyaroa da ara _ dotaciuri. 

amitom isini axali mizidulobis 

wertilad unda iqcnen. aseTi 

wertilebi ki TbilisSi, daaxloebiT, 

27-ia, aqedan 9 muzeumi municipaluria 

da dRemde reabilitacias 

elodeba”, _ acxadebda kalaZe 

TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebis win, 

Tumca mas Semdeg, rac meri gaxda, 

am kuTxiT konkretuli nabijebi 

gadadga Tu ara, ucnobia. 

rac Seexeba ruseTis turistul 

embargos, unda iTqvas, rom turizmiT 

ruseTze damokidebuleba 

bolo wlebis, ase vTqvaT, trendia 

da, rogorc specialistebi amboben, 

rusi turistebisgan qveyanaSi 

gacilebiT meti fuli Semodis, vidre 

ruseTSi qarTuli Rvinis 

eqsportisgan. 

ase, magaliTad, 2011 wels rusi 

turistebis wili mTlian turizm- 

Si 7.1% iyo, anu CrdiloeTidan 

sul 220 aTasi adamiani Semovida. 

2018 wels ki _ 1.4 mln adamiani, e. 

i., rusi vizitorebis ricxvi 16.2%- 

mde gaizarda. 

2019 wlis pirvel xuT TveSi 

ruseTidan turizmi 31%-iT gaizarda 

da wilma 18.1%-s miaRwia. 

turizmis erovnuli administraciis 

kvlevis mixedviT, 2018 wels 

erTma rusma turistma saqarTveloSi, 

saSualod, 1326 lari daxarja, 

rac 2018 wels, daaxloebiT, 500 

dolari iyo. 

mokled, yvela rusma turistma, 

2018 wels saqarTveloSi, saer- 

To jamSi, 700 mln dolaramde daxarja. 

aqve imasac getyviT, rom rusi 

turistebis 70% saqarTveloSi 

saxmeleTo transportiT Semodioda, 

1% _ zRviT, 29% ki _ sahaero 

gziT. 

es cifrebi ki imaze mianiSnebs, 

rom putinuri sanqciebidan gamomdinare, 

saqarTveloSi ruseTidan 

250 aTasi turistiT naklebi unda 

Semovides, mTliani danakargi ki 

125 mln dolari iqneba. 

marTalia, ruseTis prezidentma 

turistuli embargo dagvado, 

samagierod, civilizebuli msoflioa 

mowadinebuli, rom zafxuli 

saqarTvelSi gaataros. ase, magaliTad, 

amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis 

elCis movaleobis Semsrulebelma 

saqarTveloSi, elizabed 

rudma, pirdapir ganacxada, saqarTvelos 

yvelaze saocari buneba 

aqvs im qveynebidan, sadac vyofilvaro 

da yvelas Cvens qveyanaSi mogzaurobisken 

mouwoda. 

amasTan, elizabed rudi erTerT 

interviuSi ruseTidan frenebis 

akrZalvasac gamoexmaura da 

Tqva: 

„im movlenebze, rac bolo dros 

saqarTveloSi moxda, ar arsebobs 

mizezi, ratomac ar unda gaauqmos 

ruseTma es SezRudva da misces 

rusebs saqarTveloSi mogzaurobis 

saSualeba. manamde, saqarTvelo 

rCeba SesaniSnav lamaz, usafrTxo 

qveynad turistebisTvis... Tbilisi 

mdidaria Ramis cxovrebiT, barebiT 

da xalxmravali adgilebiT, 

magram piradad me miyvars laSqrobebi, 

karviT sadme wasvla, Txilamurebi. 

saqarTveloSi SesaniSnavi 

saTxilamuro adgilebia, romelic, 

sxvaTa Soris, Zalian iafia, evropasa 

da aSS-sTan SedarebiT. pirobebic 

araCveulebrivia da usafr- 

Txoa. bolo Cemi gasvla iyo qvemo 

qarTlSi, kldekaris cixeze. Zalian 

gancalkevebuli da lamazi adgilia. 

aseve viyavi 3-dRian laSqrobaze 

raWidan svaneTSi. lagodexis 

erovnul parkSi, Savi kldeebis 

tbaze... bevri qarTveli meubneba, 

rom iseT rameebs vakeTeb, rac maT 

ar gaukeTebiaT da undaT, rom gaakeTon”. 

ase da amgvarad, saqarTvelo 

gareT mters ubrmavebs Tvals da 

SigniT _ moyvares. hoda, radgan 

aseT mdgomareobaSi varT, umjobesia, 

turizmis industria minimalurad 

mainc davxvewoT da momsaxurebis 

gaumjobesebasTan er- 

Tad, imazec vifiqroT, rom ar Sei- 

Zleba, uceb gamdidrebis surviliT, 

vTqvaT, 50-TeTriani wyali 

mamasisxlad gavyidoT an aeroportidan 

Tbilisis centramde 

gamoyvanaSi turists 200 lari gamovarTvaT. 

yvelaferi es qarTul 

turizms miwasTan gaasworebs da, 

amasTan, saqarTveloc, rogorc kargi 

turistuli potencialis qveyana, 

vizitorebisTvis uintereso 

gaxdeba! 

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`20-ma ivnisma xelisuflebaSi SiSi warmoSva~ 

me-15 gverdidan 

- es ar iyo Tavidan imis ganxilva, 

marTlac waarTves Tu ara 

qibar xalvaSs televizia, Tu 

nebayoflobiT gayida. man gayida 

da fulic gadauxades, magram 

qarTulma sasamarTlom CaTvala, 

rom es zewolis Sedegad 

moxda. iyo Tu ara qibar xalva- 

Si zewolis qveS, calsaxad amaze 

qibar xalvaSs gadawyvetileba 

ar miuRia. man, ubralod, daadgina, 

rom qarTul sasamarTlos 

am gadawyvetilebis miRebis 

dros aSkara darRvevebi ar hqonia. 

es iyo evropuli sasamarTlos 

verdiqtis Sinaarsi. me es 

verdiqti wavikiTxe, ar var kompetenturi 

im kuTxiT, rom iuridiul-teqnikuri 

sakiTxebi 

detalurad ganvixilo. Ziri- 

Tadad verdiqtSi saubaria teqnikur 

sakiTxebze, magaliTad: 

ramdenad swori iyo yadaRis 

dadeba im momentSi da a. S. aseT 

dros SesaZloa, mosamarTleebis 

ganwyobasac hqondes mniSvneloba. 

faqtia, rom erT-erTi 

mosamarTle ar daeTanxma Tavis 

kolegebs da gansxvavebuli azri 

daafiqsira. radgan es erTi ar 

daeTanxma, SegviZlia vivaraudoT, 

rom mosamarTleebis sxva 

SemadgenlobaSi am erTi mosamarTlis 

azri umravlesobaSi 

yofiliyo. arsebobs azri, rom 

SeiZleboda, „rusTavi 2-is” iuristebs 

ufro Zlieri sarCeli 

moemzadebinaT. aseT SemTxveva- 

Si mniSvnelovania, konkretulad 

raze edavebi sasamarTlos. albaT, 

SesaZlebelia, sxva Sedegic 

yofiliyo strasburgSi. amis 

ganmsjeli me ar var, magram faqtia, 

rom strasburgSi saqmis Sinaarsobrivi 

ganxilva ar iyo, 

qarTulma sasamarTlom ganixila 

Sinaarsobrivad, evropulma 

sasamarTlom ki ver ipova iseTi 

argumentebi, romelic daadasturebda, 

rom mosamarTle mikerZoebuli 

iyo. erTsa da imave 

saqmeze, SesaZloa, keTilsindisier 

iuristebs sxvadasxva azri 

hqondeT da sxvadasxvanairad 

afasebdnen. amitom ar aris aucilebeli, 

rom politikuri mikerZoebuloba 

an korufcia vigulisxmoT 

strasburgis sasamarTlos 

SemTxvevaSi, magram ganwyobas 

mniSvneloba aqvs. magaliTs 

mogiyvanT: fsiqologebma israelis 

probaciis sasamarTloze 

eqsperimenti Caatares, _ udos 

komisia mxolod am mimarTulebiT 

ixilavs saqmeebs, mosamar- 

Tleebs bevri saqme aqvT, TiTos 

10-15 wuTs andomeben. eqsperimentis 

dros gamoiTvales lan- 

Camde 2 saaTiT adre da lanCis 

Semdeg miRebuli gadawyvetilebebi, 

anu mSier da maRZar kuWze 

miRebuli gadawyvetilebebi Seadares. 

mrogorc aRmoCnda, ma- 

ZRar kuWze gacilebiT keTilebi 

iyvnen mosamarTleebi da bevr 

adamians aZlevdnen probacias, 

roca mSivrebi iyvnen, bevr negatiur 

gadawyvetilebas iRebdnen. 

amdenad, es ar niSnavs, rom vinme 

gia nodia: `SiSi 

xandaxan agresias 

badebs. imisTvis, 

rom es SiSi 

damalo, Setevaze 

unda gadaxvide~ 

`xelisuflebas maSinve gauxsenes, 2009 wels 

"saknebis qalaqi" rom iyo, am periodSi lari ar 

gaufasurebulao, amitom ubralod gamosvlebis 

faqti arafers aniSnavs~ 

moqrTamuli iyo. anu eqsperimentma 

daadastura, rom ganwyobas 

didi mniSvneloba aqvs iseT 

dros, roca saqme calsaxa araa 

da SeiZleba, sxvadasxvanairad 

dainaxo. Cemi azriT, strasburgis 

sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis 

SemTxvevaSi ufro ganwyobis 

ambavi iyo, vidre mosyidvis. 

_ am yvelafris paralelurad 

larma gaufasurebis rekordi 

moxsna, xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi 

ki am faqts dRem- 

de 20 ivnisis movlenebsa da 

opozicias abralebs, ramdenad 

logikuria es argumenti? 

_ gasagebia, rom politikuri 

krizisi moqmedebs larze, magram 

politikuri krizisi opoziciis 

bralia Tu xelisuflebis?! 

xelisuflebam Tavad aRiara, 

rom gavrilovis parlamentis 

Tavmjdomaris skamze dasma 

Secdoma iyo da mas SeeSala. Tu 

mas SeeSala, e. i. xelisuflebis 

Secdomaze xalxis reaqcia swori 

yofila. Sesabamisad, aqciebi 

xelisuflebis bralia, Tavad 

aRiareben im mizezis samarTlianobas, 

ris gamoc xalxi quCaSi 

gamovida. ase rom, opoziciisken 

xelis gaSvera Zlieri argumenti 

ar aris. xelisuflebas maSinve 

gauxsenes, 2009 wels „saknebis 

qalaqi” rom iyo, am period- 

Si lari ar gaufasurebulao, 

amitom ubralod gamosvlebis 

faqti arafers niSnavs. am SiSs 

iwvevs TviTon xelisuflebis 

moqmedeba da maTi arastabilurobis 

gancda, amas ver daabraleb 

opozicias. gasagebia, rom 

20 ivnisis Rames policiasTan 

Sexla-Semoxla moxda, magram 

amis Semdeg sruliad mSvidobiani 

gamosvlebia, mTavrobis gadadgomas 

aravin moiTxovs, ubralod, 

gaxarias gadadgomas moi- 

Txoven konkretuli saqmis gamo. 

_ 20 ivnisamde vrceldeboda 

informacia, rom gaxaria premier-ministri 

gaxdeboda, Tum- 

ca „gavrilovis Ramis” Semdeg 

viTareba radikalurad Seicva- 

la, ratom ver Tmobs gaxarias 

ivaniSvili? 

_ 20-21 ivnisis movlenebma 

aCvena, rom vin aris premier-ministri, 

amas didi mniSvneloba ar 

aqvs, yovel SemTxvevaSi, jerjerobiT, 

asea. faqtobrivad, 

baxtaZem darbevamde 15 wuTiT 

adre ganacxada, rom rezinis 

tyviebi maTi xelwera ar aris, 

Tumca 15 wuTSi aqciis darbeva 

daiwyo. es niSnavs, rom baxtaZes 

aravin arafers ekiTxeba. aseTi 

mniSvnelovani gadawyvetileba 

miiRes, es miiRo gaxariam, cxadia 

ivaniSvilTan SeTanxmebiT, 

magram premierTan SeTanxmeba 

azradac ar mosvlia. e. i. ivaniSvils 

awyobs es viTareba, rom 

realurad gaxaria gacilebiT 

Zlieri politikuri figuraa, 

vidre baxtaZe. Tumca baxtaZes 

premier-ministri hqvia, gaxarias 

_ Ss ministri. molodini, rom 

gaxaria premier-ministri gaxdeboda, 

maincdamainc Zlier arumentebs 

ar emyareboda, es ufro 

emyareboda im mosazrebas, rom 

premier-ministri Zlieri figura 

unda iyos, magram ivaniSvili 

ar fiqrobs, rom premier-ministri 

Zlieri figura unda iyos. 

aRmoCnda, rom gaxaria aRmasrulebel 

xelisuflebaSi yvelaze 

didi ndobiT sargeblobs 

da, faqtobrivad, is aris pirveli 

kaci aRmasrulebel xelisuflebaSi. 

rac Seexeba imas, Tu 

ratom ar Tmoben gaxarias, aq 

ori faqtoria: erTi, rom mar- 

Tlac gaxarias endoba ivaniSvili, 

is xedavs, rom Zlieri adamianebi 

ar hyavs xelisufleba- 

Si. vano merabiSvils xerxemali 

erqva, rogorc Cans, politikuri 

sistemaa iseTi, rom Ss ministri, 

faqtobrivad, xelisuflebis 

xerxemalia. amitomac ivaniSvili 

fiqrobs, rom gaxaria unda 

iyos am postze. meore mxriv, 

SeiZleba, CaeTvalaT, rom gaxarias 

daTmoba metismeti sisustis 

gamoCena iqneboda da radgan Setevaze 

gadasvla gadawyvites, 

ufro logikuria es Setevebi 

gaxarias argadadgomis pirobeb- 

Si. 

_ kuluarebSi gavrcelebuli 

informaciiT, biZina ivaniSvili 

Semodgomaze premier-ministris 

rangSi dabrundeba. ramdenad 

realuri ggoniaT ivaniSvilis 

premier-ministrad dabruneba? 

_ arc me da arc sxva vinmes 

uwinaswarmetyvelia ivaniSvilis 

„dabruneba” partiis Tavmjdomared, 

es sruliad moulodneli 

iyo. arc is Cans, ra xeiri 

miiRo ivaniSvilma an partiam am 

nabijiT. man im momentSi Caaqro 

Sida partiuli problema, magram 

Semdeg mainc gaeqca partiidan 

xalxi. ar Cans, rom partia 

Sekruli yofiliyo, Tundac 

ivaniSvilis dabrunebis Semdeg. 

SeiZleba, ivaniSvili daarwmunon, 

rom misi premieroba ukeTesi 

iqneba arCevnebis mosagebad. 

amitom SeiZleba premier-ministris 

postze „dabrunebis” gadawyvetileba 

miiRos an SeiZleba 

arc miiRos. SeiZleba mas egonos, 

rom misi premier-ministrobis 

SemTxvevaSi 2020 wels „qar- 

Tuli ocnebis” umravlesobaSi 

mosvlis Sansi gaizardos, magram, 

ra Tqma unda, es „qarTuli 

ocnebis” gamarjvebis garantia 

ver iqneba, rogorc misi partiis 

Tavmjdomared „dabruneba” 

ver aRmoCnda partiis SigniT 

winaaRmdegobebis gadaWris garantia, 

aseve aranairi garantia 

ar aris imisa, rom xalxi daijerebs, 

radgan biZina dabrunda, 

saqme kargad wavao. 

_ miT umetes, ivaniSvils 

erTwliani piroba dadebuli 

aqvs... 

_ erTwliani piroba dadebulia. 

male gava es erTi weli. rom 

dabrundes, kidev erTi piroba 

unda dados, axla mainc vizam ra- 

Racaso. Semodgomaze Tu dabrunda, 

gazafxulisTvis ukve ra- 

Rac Sedegi unda iyos, radgan 

xalxma CaTvalos, rom mis dabrunebas 

dadebiTi Sedegi mohyva. 

ivaniSvili Tu ramis mimRwevi 

iyo, mas Semdeg, rac erTwliani 

piroba dado, aqamdec miaRwevda. 

wesiT, unda gamoCeniliyo, risi 

mimRwevic iyo. premier-ministrs 

dairqmevs Tu ara, amas arsebiTi 

mniSvneloba ar aqvs. 

`gaaCnia, xazaraZe rogor moiqceva, vis 

daiyenebs gverdiT, rogor warmarTavs Tavis 

politikur saqmianobas, magram sastarto 

kapitali mas namdvili aqvs. proporciul 

arCevnebSi, roca SesaZloa, 5, 10 an 15%-s 

gadamwyveti mniSvneloba hqondes, xazaraZe 

xelisuflebisTvis saxifaTo politikuri 

figura gaxdeba~ 

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30 N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w.

mecxre gverdidan 

- misi gamorCeva, mxolod da 

mxolod, sinodis prerogativaa. 

cxadia, am muxlis aseTi cvlileba 

raRac mizans emsaxureboda. 

yovel SemTxvevaSi, patriarqis 

sicocxleSi misi mosaydris 

dasaxeleba da dadgena 

patriarqis gavlenis gaZlierebaze 

mianiSnebs momavali patriarqis 

gamorCevisTvis. bevri am 

qmedebaSi ruseTis faqtors xedavs, 

rom momavali patriarqi 

ruseTTan daaxloebuli piri 

iyos, miT umetes, rom saamiso 

mizezi arsebobs im rusuli gavlenebis 

gamo, romelsac saqarTvelos 

eklesia ganicdis. amis 

dasadastureblad saqarTvelos 

eklesiis delegaciis kretis 

wminda da did krebaze wausvlelobac 

sakmarisia, riTac 

Cvenma eklesiam aSkara mxardaWera 

gamoucxada ruseTis eklesiis 

boikots, rom aRaraferi 

vTqvaT ukrainis avtokefaliis 

Sesaxeb, roca saqarTvelos 

sapatriarqos warmomadgenlebi 

erTi erTSi imeoreben 

ruseTis eklesiis warmomadgenelTa 

argumentebs ukrainis 

avtokefaliis sawinaaRmdegod. 

_ aq kidev erTi seriozuli 

problema Cndeba _ patriarqis 

mier mosaydris dasaxeleba ar 

momxdara wminda sinodTan SeTanxmebiT, 

aramed erTpirovnu- 

lad, evqaristiuli msaxurebis 

dros. mRvdelmTavrebma es telearxebis 

meSveobiT Seity- 

ves... 

_ diax, es wminda sinodis 

ignorirebis samwuxaro SemTxvevaa, 

radgan mociqulTa 34-e 

kanoni naTlad ambobs, rom „yoveli 

eris episkoposi unda cnobdes 

pirvels maT Soris, aRiarebdes 

mas, rogorc Tavs da 

Tavis Zalauflebaze aRmatebuli 

araferi moimoqmedos misi 

nebarTvis gareSe. maT mxolod 

is saqmeebi awarmoon, rac TavianT 

eparqiebsa da maTTan mimdebare 

adgilebs exeba. magram 

pirvelmac araferi moimoqmedos 

sxvebTan SeuTanxmeblad, 

vinaidan ase aResruleba erTazrovneba 

da gandiddeba Rmer- 

Ti suliwmidis madliT”. igives 

imeorebs antioqiis krebis me-9 

kanonic: „episkoposebi unda emorCilebodnen 

dedaqalaqis episkoposs, 

anu adgilobrivi eklesiis 

Tavs; is zrunavs mTel samTavroze... 

magram maT araferi 

ar unda gaakeTon dedaqalaqis 

episkoposis gareSe, magram 

nurc dedaqalaqis episkoposi 

gaakeTebs nurafers sxva episkoposebis 

SeTanxmebis gareSe”. 

rogorc vxedavT, am erTma, 

TiTqosda ubralo brZanebam, 

uamravi Seusabamoba warmoaCina 

marTlmadidebeli eklesiis 

kanonebTan mimarTebiT. 

raoden gasakviric ar unda 

iyos, 1995 wlis debulebaSi Cawerili 

muxli, rom „kaTolikospatriarqis 

mier dadgenili sapatriarqo 

taxtis mosaydre marTavs 

eklesias axali kaTolikos-patriarqis 

arCevamde”, zustad 

ar ganmartavs, Tu ra uflebebi 

eqneba patriarqis sicocxleSi 

dadgenil mosaydres; aki 

Jurnalistis SekiTxvaze, Tu ra 

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goCa barnovi: `safrTxe, 

rom okupanti pirdapir 

ganaxorcielebs nebismieri 

momavali patriarqis 

`dadgenas~, seriozul 

problemad mimaCnia~ 

`1995 wels marTva-gamgeobis debulebaSi ucnauri cvlileba Sedis: 

`sruliad saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqis gardacvalebis, 

gadadgomis an sxva iseTi mizezis gamo, romelic SeuZlebels xdis 

kaTolikos-patriarqisaTvis Tavisi movaleobebis Sesrulebas, 

kaTolikos-patriarqis mier dadgenili sapatriarqo taxtis mosaydre 

marTavs eklesias axali kaTolikos-patriarqis arCevamde~. rogorc 

vxedavT, debulebaSi `sapatriarqo taxtis mosaydre~ weria, Tumca 

patriarqis 2017 wlis 23 noembris brZanebaSi meufe Sios `patriarqis 

mosaydred~ daniSvnas vxvdebiT. Seusabamoba aSkarad saxezea. Tumca 

piradad me, did gansxvavebas ver vxedav `sapatriarqo taxtis 

mosaydresa~ da `patriarqis mosaydres~ Soris, radgan orive SemTxveva 

winaaRmdegobaSia marTlmadidebeli eklesiis kanonebTan~ 

movaleoba eqneba axlad dadgenil 

mosaydres, meufe Siom 

verc ki upasuxa an rogor upasuxebda, 

roca debulebiT es 

gansazRvruli araa. 

da kidev erTi detali: 1995 

wlis debulebis IV Tavis me-6 

punqtSi vkiTxulobT: „sruliad 

saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqis 

gardacvalebis Semdeg 

qirotoniiT upiratesi 

mRvdelmTavari wm. sinodis 

wevrTa umravlesobis TandaswrebiT 

xsnis kaTolikos-patriarqis 

mier datovebul anderZs 

da acxadebs sapatriarqo taxtis 

mosaydris vinaobas”. imave 

Tavis me-7 muxli ki: „sruliad 

saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqis 

anderZiT dadgenili sapatriarqo 

taxtis mosaydrisadmi 

kanonikuri morCileba saqarTvelos 

eklesiis yoveli wevris 

movaleobaa”. anderZi aucileblad 

raRacis memkvidreobiTad 

gadacemas gulisxmobs, 

mag.: mama Tavis Svilebs anderZiT 

utovebs qonebas, TiToeuls 

Sesabamisad, rogorc is Tavad 

gansazRvravs amas. 

_ rogoria anderZis Tema, 

zogadad, eklesiaSi? an risi 

memkvidreoba arsebobs ekle- 

siaSi, romlis gadacemac 

episkoposs SeuZlia? 

_ erTaderTi memkvidreoba, 

rac epikoposis uflebamosilebaSi 

Sedis, aris samociqulo 

memkvidreoba, rac qristesmieri 

gamocxadebis WeSmaritebis Sesaxeb 

swavlebasa da tradicias 

gulisxmobs. sxva ram memkvidreobis 

gadacemis SesaZlebloba 

episkoposs ar aqvs, miT umetes, 

rom trulis msoflio krebis 

me-12 kanonis Tanaxmad, episko- 

poss ekrZaleba colosnoba. Tu 

kvlav antioqiis 23-e kanons davubrundebiT, 

aqac calsaxad 

weria, rom episkoposi sicocxleSi 

ver daasaxelebs memkvidres 

da raoden misi gardacvalebis 

Semdeg iqneba es SeuZlebeli, 

an ra Zala unda hqondes 

gardacvlili episkoposis 

anderZs, roca mas sicocxleSi 

ekrZaleba msgavsi ramis moqmedeba? 

Tuki saeklesio kanonebi 

calsaxad arCevnebis gziT 

adgens episkoposis gamorCevas, 

maSin anderZs ra datvirTva 

aqvs saqarTvelos eklesiaSi? 

arsebobs ki samarTlebrivi bazisi 

anderZis arsebobisa saeklesio 

kanonikaSi? rogorc kanonebidan 

Cans, _ ara. arc romelime 

kanoni saubrobs anderZis 

Sesaxeb. aqedan gamomdinare, anderZis 

Temac Sesacvlelia saqarTvelos 

eklesiis bolo debulebaSi, 

radgan esec ewinaa- 

Rmdegeba saeklesio kanonikas. 

es Temac ucxoa nebismieri mar- 

Tlmadidebeli eklesiis praqtikisTvis, 

rasac am eklesiebis 

debulebebic adasturebs. 

yovelive zemoTqmulis gaTvaliswinebiT, 

avtoritetuli 

patriarqis sicocxleSi mosaydris 

arseboba, Cemi azriT, mxolod 

erT mizans emsaxureba, 

rom mosaxleoba nabij-nabij axal 

„monarqs” Seeguos, romelic 

sicocxlis bolos Tavadve 

daasaxelebs „momdevno mosaydres” 

da Zalauflebis gadabareba 

umtkivneulod moxdeba. 

mere ra, Tu es yvelaferi saeklesio 

cxovrebas azianebs? 

_ sinodis roli am SemTx- 

vevaSi ra aris? 

_ vfiqrob, yvelaferi es aSkarad 

mianiSnebs sinodis, rogorc 

adgilobrivi eklesiis umaRlesi 

organos dakninebaze. 

patriarqis gamorCeva mxolod 

sinodis, rogorc eklesiis umaRlesi 

administraciuli organos, 

prerogativaa, rac, rogorc 

vnaxeT, msoflio da adgilobrivi 

saeklesio krebebis kanonebiTaa 

damtkicebuli. am sinodisave 

prerogativas warmoadgens 

patriarqis gardacvalebis 

SemTxvevaSi adgilis mcvelis 

dadginebac yovelgvari anderZis 

gareSe. amitomac, vfiqrobT, 

rom 1995 wlis debulebis 

zemoxsenebuli muxlebi unda 

Caswordes sinodis mier da is 

SesabamisobaSi unda movides marTlmadidebeli 

eklesiis kanonikur 

wesebTan, rogorc es yvela 

sxva marTlmadidebeli eklesiis 

SemTxvevaSia. metic, es 

araa ubralod Teologiuri absurdi, 

romelzec SeiZleba kanonologebma 

idavon. es sakiTxi 

saqarTvelos rigiT, Tundac 

saerTod aramarTlmadidebeli 

mosaxleobis cxovrebasac exeba. 

_ ras gulisxmob? 

_ gaxsovT is uamravi mosazreba, 

romelic Tundac igive 

JurnalistTa mxridan alfeevis 

vizitis Semdeg gamoikveTa, im 

vizitisa, romelsac Sedegad 

mosaydris dasaxeleba moyva. 

ramdenadac maxsovs, Tavad 

Tqvenc flobdiT am sakiTxze 

informacias da erT-erTma pirvelma 

acnobeT mosaxleobas, 

rac momavalSi moxdeboda. Sesabamisad, 

safrTxe, rom saqarTvelos 

mosisxle mteri da okupanti, 

pirdapir ganaxorcielebs 

nebismieri momavali patriarqis 

„dadgenas” saqarTvelos wminda 

sinodis wevrebTan SeuTanxmeblad, 

bevrad seriozul problemad 

mimaCnia, vidre ubralod 

Teologiuri Tu kanonikuri 

absurdi. 

mosaydris SemTxveva mxolod 

erTia im uamravi da sruliad 

absurduli kanonidan, rac saqarTvelos 

eklesiis 1995 wlis 

marTva-gamgeobis debulebaSi 

weria. Cveni eklesiisTvis sasicocxlod 

aucilebelia avtoritetuli 

Teologebis, kanonologebisa 

da sxva kompetentur 

pirTa mier misi Sesworeba, 

risi realuri SesaZleblobac 

ar Cans. 

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„qronika+~-is kiTxvebs pasux- 

obs partia „Tavisufali saqarTvelos” 

TanaTavmjdomare, gogi 

wulaia: 

_ b-no gogi, ra xdeba quTais- 

Si, socialur qselSi kritikas ver 

uZlebs gadaTxrili gzebi da 

paralizebuli qalaqi _ ra keT- 

deba an ra ver keTdeba? 

_ jerjerobiT marto Txrian da 

meti araferi. ra Tqma unda, kargia 

mowesrigebuli gza, magram daiwyeben 

da dasrulebiT veRar asruleben. 

quTaisis quCebSi rom 

gaxvideT, samuSaoebi mitovebulia, 

magaliTad, tabiZis, ninoSvilis, 

asaTianis quCaze. sami muSa dakinkilobs, 

erTi mxridan mze moadgebaT, 

gadavlian meore mxares da ase... mu- 

Sebs ras verCi, yvela mTavar quCaze 

daiwyes erTdroulad gadaTxra 

da qalaqSi gadaadgileba paralizebulia. 

TiTqmis erTi welia, 

qalaqi saSinel mdgomareobaSia. 

yvelaze didi tragedia is aris, 

rom momavali wlidan sakanalizacio 

sistemis keTebas iwyeben da es 

meore ubedureba Seiqmneba, am gakeTebul 

gzebs Tu daayenes saSveli, 

xelaxla daiwyeba gadaTxrebi. 

jer kanalizacia gaekeTebinaT, ase 

rogor SeiZleba qalaqis gaubedureba?! 

_ araerTi proeqti SegviZlia 

gavixsenoT, romelic arasasurveli 

SedegiT dasrulda. magali- 

Tad, TeTri xidis reabilitacia, 

romelic dResac ar aris bolom- 

de dasrulebuli da aTasobiT 

laria daxarjuli... 

_ es aris upasuxismgebloba, saqmis 

arcodna, fulis siyvaruli da 

fulis motexva. rodesac kompanias 

agebineb tenders da mere acxadeb, 

rom TiTqos cudi kompania yofila, 

Cven is davajarimeTo... ver gavige, 

me Cavutare tenderi? ar See- 

ZloT SeeswavlaT, ramdenad sando 

iyo kompania, mere rom aRmouCenen 

darRvevebs? susi marTavs merias 

da ekiTxaT susisTvis, adre Tu kompanias 

darRvevebi hqonda da upasuxismgeblo 

iyo, dRes ratom igeben 

amas?.. iseT kompanias amarjvebineben, 

romelsac ar gaaCnia traqtori, 

arc muSebi hyavs daqiravebuli 

da arc gamocdileba aqvs. 

_ axlaxan quTaisis meri erTerT 

centralur arxze iumoris- 

tul gadacemas stumrobda, sadac 

Tqva: gogi wulaia aRar Cans, dai- 

karga, maqsimalurad vmuSaobT, 

mTavari gzebi gadaTxrili gvaqvs 

da ar Cans, meSinia, ar gadavabetonoTo. 

xom ar SegeSindaT „da- 

betonebis”? 

_ vin eqaCeboda, ra undoda, rom 

wavida?! SeiZleba, iumori ar gaga- 

Cndes, mara, xom SeiZleba, imxela 

tvini gqondes, ar mixvide msgavs 

gadacemaSi? iumoris arqona imas 

ar niSnavs, rom qalaqis meri ar unda 

gaxde, Tumca vin geqaCeba, rom 

midixar da amJRavneb, rom iumori 

ar gagaCnia? ratom sulelob? moyva 

iseTi ambavi, TiTqos mas gadaxda 

Tavs, rac xuTi wlis win moyva 

yofilma qalaqis merma murRuliam, 

romelic mtrad hyavs gamocxadebuli. 

pirveli mteri iyo mur- 

Ruliasi da misi sityvebi gaimeora. 

axali weli mogviloca da goris 

sakrebulos Tavjdomaris teqsti 

gadmoiwera sityva-sityviT, 

aRdgoma modioda da axal wels 

gilocavTo, iakob nikolaZis Zeglze 

niko nikolaZis Zegliao, saer- 

ratom uwunebs 

quTaisis mers 

iumors gogi 

wulaia da 

eSinia Tu ara 

opoziciur 

liders 

`dabetonebis~?! 

Tod daanebos, kaco, Tavi laparaks... 

_ xuTi dRis win quTaisis meriis 

mier sarestorno momsaxureba- 

Si gaxarjuli Tanxebi gaaprotesteT, 

TqviT, rom qalaqis meriam 

mimdinare wlis eqvs TveSi sar- 

estorno momsaxurebaSi 87 112 

lari daxarja... 

_ im fonze, rodesac quTaisi 

pirvel adgilzea migraciiT, ar 

arsebobs samuSao adgilebi, umuSevrobas 

mosdevs siRaribe da a. S., 

quTaisSi rva afTiaqi muSaobda da 

mosaxleoba iyo 250 000 adamiani, 

afTiaqSi rigi ar maxsovs Cems axalgazrdobaSi, 

axla rvaasi afTiaqia, 

qalaqSi mosaxleoba ganaxevrebulia 

da afTiaqebSi rigebi dgas. 

es niSnavs, rom qveyanaSi katastrofuli 

situaciaa, sikvdilianoba 

insultiT, sikvdilianoba kiboTi, 

sikvdilianoba narkotikebiT, qalaqi 

gadaSenebis pirasaa da am fonze 

Sen saWmels Wamde biujetis xarjze, 

es aris uzneoba. marto 157 

000 lari ixarjeba meriis manqanebis 

SekeTebaze, amas axla ra hqvia?! 

Se, kaidedmamiSvilo, cxovrebaSi 

„piva” ar gikisrebia da axla, rom 

gadeirie, meri gaxdi, am Cvens xarjze 

qeifi deiwye da mpatiJebeli 

gaxdi?! es CemTvis miuRebelia, amas 

hqvia Ralati eris, beris da qalaqis... 

_ gamosavals sad xedavT? 

_ sxvaTa Soris, WiRvarias ar 

gaemtyuneba, rodesac qveyanaSi ar 

gaqvs realuri TviTmmarTveloba 

da Sen arafris gamkeTebeli xar da 

arafers warmoadgen, realurad 

ramis gadawyvetilebis mimRebi ar 

xar, fiqrob, rom mainc verafers 

vakeTeb, mainc Tbilisi wyvets da 

erTi amis dedac vatire, Cems cxovrebas 

moviwyobo, es midgoma unda 

Seicvalos. realuri unda iyos 

TviTmmarTveli da realurad unda 

virCevdeT xelisuflebas, qalaqis 

Tavebs, sakrebulos, realurad 

unda grZnobdnen pasuxismgeblobas 

xalxis winaSe. es xalxi mxolod 

biZina ivaniSvilisa da misi fulis 

arCeulia, isini mxolod fulis 

winaSe arian pasuxismgeblebi. am xelisuflebam 

erTaderTi rac gaakeTa 

da daaanonsa, aris proporciuli 

arCvenebi, romelic marTla 

wingadadgmuli nabiji iqneba, Tu 

gaakeTes. meore: unda moaswron 

realuri TviTmmarTvelobis cvlileba, 

unda moaswron kanonmdeblobaSi 

cvlileba. amas Tu moaxerxeben, 

kidev eqnebaT Sansi, raRac 

dadebiTiT Sevidnen istoriaSi. 

sanam quTaisis teritoriaze yvela 

Senoba-nageboba, yvela qoneba ar 

iqneba quTaisis da iqneba ekonomikis 

saministros balansze, sul 

fexebze ar kidiaT? axla sasjela- 

Rsrulebis departamentis balanszea 

quTaisis yofili cixe, mitovebulia, 

ubedurebis budea qalaqis 

centrSi, 13 welia, es xrongi 

arsebobs Suagul qalaqSi da msgavsad 

uamravi Senobaa, romelic 

lpeba da ubedureba xdeba im nagebobebSi! 

ramdeni weli unda iyos 

ase?! qalaqs ar aqvs imis ufleba, 

rom rame mouxerxos am Senobebs da 

ekonomikis saminitros elodebian, 

rodis gaaxsendeba maTi arseboba. 

sanam ar daingreva da ubedureba 

ar moxdeba, manamde aravin ar miaqcevs 

yuradRebas. erTi werili 

manaxos qalaqis merma, rom am saSi- 

Si Senobebis Sesaxeb informacia 

miawoda ekonomikis saministros! 

_ Senobebze gamaxsenda: infor- 

macia gavrcelda, TiTqos, biZina 

ivaniSvili apirebs quTaisis meriis 

Senobis Sesyidvas da mis adg- 

ilze sastumros aSenebas. Tu es 

ase moxdeba, es TqvenTvis misaRe- 

bi iqneba? 

_ mivesalmebi, Tu ase moxdeba, 

centri unda ganitvirTos, msoflioSi 

ar arsebobs administraci- 

`quTaisis quCebSi rom gaxvideT, samuSaoebi 

mitovebulia, magaliTad, tabiZis, ninoSvilis, 

asaTianis quCaze. sami muSa dakinkilobs, erTi 

mxridan mze moadgebaT, gadavlian meore 

mxares da ase... muSebs ras verCi, yvela mTavar 

quCaze daiwyes erTdroulad gadaTxra da 

qalaqSi gadaadgileba paralizebulia~ 

uli Senobebi, centrSi iyos gamoWimuli, 

gamoitanon gareubnebSi, ar 

var winaaRmdegi. namgali da uro 

axlac aris im Senobaze SemorCeneli, 

eklesiazea aSenebuli da vTvli, 

rom iq administraciuli Senoba 

ar unda iyos, uzarmazar adgils 

ikavebs da Tu iq rame iseTi 

aSendeba, romelic samuSao adgilebs 

Seqmnis, mivesalmebi. lpeba 

quTaisSi mTavrobis saxli, parlamentis 

Senoba da Tu iq Sevlen da 

mixedaven, SesaniSnavia. kargi iqneba, 

Tu gaiyideba, biZina iyidis, petre 

Tu pavle, satumros gaakeTeben 

Tu ras, amaze mere SegviZlia 

vimsjeloT, ra mouxdeba im adgils. 

is, rom aucileblad unda 

gaiyidos, amaze Tanaxma var! 

_ quTaisis turistuli potenciali 

is Temaa, razedac did imedebs 

amyareben. gasul wels re- 

korduli raodenobis turisti 

stumrobda qalaqs. wels ra xdeba, 

ra siaxle daxvda an daxvde- 

baT qalaqSi Camosul stumrebs? 

_ turists vaxvedrebT daTxril 

xeebs, mouwesrigebel gzebs, 

infrastruqturas, utualetobas. 

meramdene welia gavyviri, tualeti 

rafer ver unda gaakeTo qalaqis 

merma, amas Tbilisis Tanxmoba 

xom ar unda?! ori sazogadoebrivi 

tualeti ar unda iyos qalaqis centrSi, 

sadac uamravi turisti mo- 

Zraobs?! mouwesrigebels vakeTebT 

yvelafers, saerTod saqarTvelo- 

Si turists ra izidavs? _ buneba, 

adamianebi, kulinaria, Rvino, istoriuli 

Zeglebi... es yvelaferi, 

RmerTis wyalobiT, gvaqvs da xom 

SeiZleba, momzadebuli SevxvdeT 

turistul sezons da qalaqis stumrebs 

ar davaxvedroT yvelaferi 

gadaTxrili?! ar vici, ra giTxraT! 

quTaiss namdvilad udidesi potenciali 

aqvs turistuli ganviTarebis 

TvalsazrisiT... saerTod, qu- 

Taisi dasavleT saqarTvelos centria 

da aq ikribeba yvelaferi, 

yvela turistebi Cveni qalaqidan 

nawildebian da amiT unda visargebloT. 

_ dabolos, b-no gogi, dasveneba 

yvelas unda, maT Soris, poli- 

tikosebsac. cxeli politikuri 

zafxulis miuxedavad, Tu gaqvT 

ukve dagegmili, sad daisvenebT? 

_ „vin dagasvenebs, sanam ar 

gagasvenebo”, _ asea naTqvami. ar 

vici, movaxerxeb, albaT, ori dRiT 

gasvlas sadme, qobuleTSi vapireb 

wasvlas. ori kviriT wasvlas sadme 

namdvilad ver movaxerxeb, sxvadasxva 

mizezis gamo. rac Seexeba 

politikur cxel zafxuls, aseTi 

cxeli zafxuli ar gvqonia. politikaSi 

1988 wlidan var. pirveli 

aqcia iyo 1988 wlis 3 dekembers 

quTaisSi, im dRidan vdgavar aqciebze, 

arc erTi politikuri movlena 

ar gamomitovebia, aqtiuri monawilec 

viyavi... im wlidan maxsovs 

yvela zafxuli da aseTi cxeli 

politikuri zafxuli marTla ar 

maxsovs, rogoric wels. imeds vitoveb, 

swor ganviTarebas miiRebs 

es yvelaferi da arCevnebiT mivalT 

xelisuflebis cvlisken. yoveldRe 

vloculob, RmerTo, am xelisuflebas 

rame sisuleles nu 

Caadenineb, Camosagdebi ar SeiqnenmeTqi. 

yovel diliT SiSiT da locviT 

vrTav televizors, rame ise- 

Ti ambavi ar gavigo, romelic revoluciur 

situaciebs gamoiwvevs. 

am qveynisTvis ajobebs, mSvidobianad 

Catardes 2020-Si proporciuli 

arCevnebi da koaliciuri mTavrobiT, 

mravalpartiuli parlamentiT 

SevcvaloT xelisufleba. 

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damoukidebel saqarTveloSi da- 

badebulma Taobam icis Tavisuflebis fasi, es Taoba yovelTvis 

dgas qveynis Rirsebis sadarajoze. Tu vinmes eWvi epareboda 

Cveni Taobis patriotizmSi, 20-21 ivnisis movlenebma dagvanaxa, 

rom gulanTebuli axalgazrdebi sakuTari sicocxliT riskavd- 

nen qveynis interesebis dacvas, _ diax, es aris 13 ivnisis Taoba. 

13 ivnisis Taobis warmomadgenelia giorgi TaqTaqiSvili, 

romelic „kantis akademiis” pirobebSi momavali Taobis ganaTlebaze 

zrunavs. rogorc Tavad ambobs, gamousworebeli optimisti 

da idealistia, mas sjera damoukidebel saqarTveloSi da- 

badebuli pirveli Taobis. ra gamowvevebis winaSe dgas da ra 

SesaZleblobebi aqvs 13 ivnisis Taobas da ramdenad mniSvnelo- 

vania sajaro politikaSi axalgazrdebis CarTuloba? rogoria 

Cveni qveynis xvalindeli Taobis potenciali? 

am da sxva mniSvnelovan Teme- 

bze „qronika+~ „kantis akademiis” 

aRmasrulebel direqtor giorgi 

TaqTaqiSvils esaubra: 

_ qarTveli axalgazrdebis 

umravlesoba aRniSnavs, rom mTa- 

vari gamowveva ganaTlebis sistemaa. 

eTanxmebiT Tu ara am pozi- 

cias da rogor fiqrobT, ra aris 

Cveni qveynis axalgazrdebis mTa- 

vari problema? 

_ axalgazrdebze yovelTvis 

vambob, rom Tavisufal saqarTveloSi 

dabadebuli pirveli Taobaa, 

romelmac unda Seqmnas damoukidebeli 

qarTuli saxelmwifo. miuxedavad 

imisa, rom sabWoTa kavSiri 

oficialurad 1991 wels daingra, 

Cven axla gvaqvs Sansi, sabWoTa kav- 

Siris nangrevebze Tavisufali, 

damoukidebeli saxelmwifo avaSenoT, 

swored im axalgazrdebma, 

romlebic davibadeT Tavisufal 

saqarTveloSi. rac Seexeba gamowvevas, 

ra Tqma unda, Cveni qveynis 

fundamenturi gamowveva ganaTlebis 

sistemaa, magram mTavari gamowveva 

aris Tavisuflebis sworad 

aRqma da im Rirebulebis gaazreba, 

razedac unda davafuZnoT Tanamedrove 

qarTuli saxelmwifo, 

romelic, adre Tu gvian, samSvidobos 

unda gavides. aucileblad 

unda gamovideT am mojadoebuli 

wridan da warmatebis, dasavlur, 

Seuqcevad gzaze davdgeT. 

_ axalgazrdebze saubrisas 

maT xSirad moixsenieben 13 ivni- 

sis Taobis saxeliT, gavixsenoT 13 

ivnisi, 20 ivnisis Rame, Cvenma Taobam 

saTanado samoqalaqo pasux- 

ismgebloba gamoavlina, Cven vnax- 

eT axalgazrdebis gulwrfeli 

protesti. rogor fiqrobT, ram- 

denad aqvs Cvens Taobas imis res- 

ursi, rom qveyana swori mimarTu- 

lebiT waviyvanoT? 

_ saintereso kiTxvaa. Cven varT 

is Taoba, romelic sabWoTa kav- 

Siris nangrevebze Rrmad konservatorul 

sazogadoebaSi gavizardeT 

_ maSin, rodesac qarTuli 

saxelmwifo, faqtobrivad, CamoSlili 

iyo. Cven vizrdebodiT iseT 

sazogadoebaSi, sadac Cveni misamarTiT 

ambobdnen, rom Turme patriotizmi, 

ganaTleba gvaklda, Turme 

ar gvqonda is muxti da emocia, 

rac qveynis asaSeneblad iyo saWiro. 

xSirad gvsmenia Cveni mSoblebisa 

da maTi mSoblebis mxridan 

Cveni misamarTiT: „ra Taoba modis”. 

gvesmoda msgavsi frazebi da 13 

ivnisamde frTxilad, moTminebiT 

mivediT. 13 ivnisi ki iyo erTgvari 

TviTprezentacia im Taobisa, romelsac 

Zalian bevri weli akritikebda 

ufrosi Taoba, romelmac 

Zalian bevr dapirispirebaSi amyofa 

qveyana, maT Soris, samoqalaqo 

omSi. 13 ivnisis Taoba ki aris feradi, 

Tavisufali Taoba, romelic 

uTqmelad, Cumad, yvelanairi 

yvirilis gareSe gamovida da saqme 

gaakeTa. swored, am dros gaCnda 

imedis naperwkali, rom SeiZleba 

Tavisufal saqarTveloSi dabadebulma 

Taobam qveyanas raRac sasargeblo 

gaukeTos. 13 ivnisis Semdeg 

ki Cveni Taobis mimarT sayve- 

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durebi Semcirda. piradad me gamiCnda 

imedi, rom ar varT marto da 

erTmaneTis TanadgomiT SeiZleba 

es qveyana samSvidobos gaviyvanoT. 

13 ivnisis Semdeg, roca qveyanas 

rTuli periodebi hqonda, magali- 

Tad, gavrilovis viziti, razedac 

gadioda saxelmwifos Rirsebis sakiTxi, 

es axalgazrdebi yovelTvis 

idgnen qveynis Rirsebis sadarajoze. 

es aris nela, magram mizanmimarTulad 

moZravi energia, romelic 

erT mSvenier dRes Tavis Seuqcevad, 

mdgradi ganviTarebis kalapotSi 

Cadgeba da Cvens qveyanas absoluturad 

yvela sferoSi moedebian 

13 ivnisis Taobis axalgazrdebi, 

romlebic erToblivad SeZleben 

qveynis ganviTarebis swor kalapotSi 

Cayenebas. im metastazebis 

gadineba da alagmva, rac sabWoTa 

kavSiris dangrevis Semdeg darCa 

da yvela sferoSi vxvdebiT, swored, 

„13 ivnisis Taobas” SeuZlia. 

Cems megobrebTan erTad videqi 13 

ivniss da 20 ivnissac, me minda Cemi 

Tanatolebis mimarT Tqveni gaze- 

Tis saSualebiT didi pativiscema 

gamovxato da Tanadgoma gamovucxado 

maT. aseTi kiTxva ismis xSirad: 

„gveSveleba rame?!” ukve gveSvela, 

amaSi 13 ivnissac da gavrilovis 

Ramesac davrwmundi. ubralod, 

yvelafers dro unda, rom „aRsruldes 

neba qarTvelTa” da qveyana 

ganviTarebis Seuqcevad gzas 

Seudges. Cvens Taobas saSualeba 

aqvs, dasavleTSi miiRos ganaTleba, 

Cvens dros Semovida interneti, 

Cven viciT Tavisuflebisa da 

im Rirebulebebis fasi, razedac 

dgas yvelaze warmatebuli qveynebi, 

saiTac viyurebiT. Cven maRali 

moTxovnebi da maRali Tamasa gvaqvs, 

dRevandeli politikuri elita 

ki araTu ver akmayofilebs qveyanaSi 

arsebul gamowvevebs, aramed 

Zalian CamorCeba kidec. Cemi azriT, 

Cvenma Taobam Zalian gauswro 

qveyanaSi Seqmnil dRis wesrigs da 

amitom aris sruli disonansi Taobebs 

Soris. Tumca sruli mzaoba 

gvaqvs imisa, rom araTu es xidCatexiloba 

gavaRrmavoT, aramed 

Cveni codna da gamocdileba efeqtianad 

gamoviyenoT qveynis saSeneblad. 

_ aRniSneT, rom arsebuli 

politikuri elita ver pasuxobs 

gamowvevebs. am pirobebSi ramde- 

nad mniSvnelovania politikaSi 

axali saxeebis gamoCena? cxadia, 

ar vgulisxmob mdinaraZe-Tala- 

kvaZis msgavs saxeebs, romlebic 

„qarTuli ocnebis” ruporebad 

iqcnen. 

_ didi xania, axali saxeebis 

gamoCenaze saubroben, magram es 

procesi bunebrivad unda moxdes. 

„qarTulma ocnebam” 2016 wels Tavisi 

gundi „axali saxeebiT” daakompleqta, 

parlamentis TavmjdomariT 

dawyebuli, wamyvani TanamdebobebiT 

dasrulebuli. sul „axali 

saxeebi” hyavdaT, isini iq bunebrivad 

ar moxvedrilan, ubralod, 

maT simbolurad politikuri makiaJi 

gaukeTes da Tqves, rom „axali 

saxeebi” ariano. amitomac ar imuSava 

aman. axali saxeebi bunebrivad 

Cndebian. „gavrilovis Rames” Cvenma 

Tavisufalma Taobam bunebrivad 

Caanacvla is politikur-sazogadoebrivi 

elita, romelic aqamde 

idga parlamentis win. am axalgazrdebma 

„Zalaufleba” bunebrivad 

aiRes xelSi, es axalgazrdebi 

giorgi TaqTaqiSvili: 

`Cvenma Taobam 

qveyanaSi 

Seqmnil dRis 

wesrigs 

gauswro~ 

iqnebian is axali saxeebi, romlebzedac 

momavalSi fsoni unda daidos. 

axalgazrdas pijaks rom CavacmevT 

da politikosis regalias 

davumatebT, es ar aris axali saxe, 

axali saxe CemTvis axal xedvas, 

axal gamocdilebasa da Rirebulebebs 

niSnavs. me minda profesionalebi 

da ara komkavSirlebi, romlebic 

ubralod sityvebs kargad 

abamen erTmaneTze. Cven gvWirdeba 

axali saqmis mkeTeblebi, romelTac 

kargad aqvT gaazrebuli, am 30 

wlis ganmavlobaSi ra ar mogvewona, 

ra iyo cudi da momavalSi saiT 

da rogor unda viaroT. Cveni Taoba 

ukve im asakSi varT, roca damoukideblad 

vcxovrobT, vqmniT 

ojaxs, gvaqvs Cveni biznesi, viRebT 

gadawyvetilebebs, magaliTad, rogorc, 

Tavis droze, qmnida daviT 

usufaSvili „saias”, an xazaraZe 

„Tibisis”, analogiurad vqmniT 

Cvenc Cvens organizaciebs da 

swored Cveni saqmeebiT unda SemovideT 

sajaro politikaSi. 

_ Tqven xSirad giwevT mozard- 

ebTan muSaoba, ra potenciali 

aqvs momaval Taobas? 

_ „kantis akademia” dRes lideri 

platformaa mozardebisTvis, 

sadac 1 wlis ganmavlobaSi 1000- 

mde bavSvi iyris Tavs da 17 wlamde 

axalgazrdebisTvis 20-mde saganmanaTleblo 

proeqti gvaqvs. 

sruli pasuxismgeblobiT vacxadeb, 

rom damoukidebel saqarTveloSi 

dabadebuli yoveli momdevno 

Taoba aucileblad sjobs 

wina Taobas, sjobs SesaZleblobebiT, 

xedvebiT, bevrad ufro Tavisufali 

da kreatiulia. „kantis akademia” 

aris is platforma, sadac 

Tavisufali Taoba izrdeba. dRes 

Tu rame maZlevs am qveynaSi darCenis 

saSualebas da Tu ukeTesi cvlilebebis 

imedi maqvs, _ es aris is 

aTasobiT axalgazrda „kantSi”, 

romelic mzad aris Secvalos qveynis 

dRis wesrigi geziT _ Tavisuflebisken. 

maT aqvT uzarmazari 

potenciali, rogorc unar-Cvevebis, 

aseve xedvis doneze. maTTan 

vmuSaobT kreatiuli azrovnebis 

kuTxiT, aseve vamuSavebT biznesideebs 

da gvaqvs aseve politikis, 

analitikis, diplomatiis, logikis 

skolebi. vcdilobT SevqmnaT is 

dRis wesrigi, romelSic cxovreba 

xval mogvewoneba. Tu mekiTxebiT, 

aris Tu ara potenciali, Tamamad 

gpasuxobT, _ uzarmazari potencialia. 

es aris Taoba, romelic gamoiyenebs 

qveynis Taroze Semodebul 

SesaZleblobas. 

_ axseneT aseTi fraza: „Tu 

rame maZlebinebs am qveyanaSio”, _ 

axalgazrdebis didi nawili qvey- 

nidan garbis, ramdenad sagangaSo 

ggoniaT es problema? aseve aris 

mosazreba, rom „nacionaluri 

moZraobis” dros axalgazrdebi 

ufro xedavdnen persperqtivas 

Cvens qveyanaSi. eTanxmebiT Tu ara 

am pozicias? 

_ qveyana namdvilad dgas stresis 

zRvarze. socialur qselSi 

posti davwere kidec, _ iseTi gancda 

maqvs, 3 milioni qarTveli saba- 

Joze dgas da SesaZlebloba rom 

hqondeT, erTbaSad datovebdnen 

qveyanas, minimum 1 kviriT mainc, 

rom am stress gaeridon-meTqi. axalgazrdebi 

uyureben, sad midis 

msoflio, qarTvelebs ki bunebrivad 

gvaqvs Tavisuflebisken swrafva 

da saukeTesoebi gvinda viyoT. 

SeuZlebelia, qarTveli axalgazrda 

TanxvedraSi iyos Tavisi Sesa- 

ZleblobebiT da unarebiT Cveni 

qveynis arsebul draivTan. Cvens 

qveyanas arc draivi aqvs da arc mizani. 

miuxedavad imisa, rom me mTeli 

ojaxiT wina xelisuflebis aqtiur 

opoziciaSi viyavi da dRemde 

yovelTvis vambob, rom saakaSvilis 

xelisuflebam bevri ramiT 

daaziana qveyana, magram Tu „ocnebas” 

vadarebT saakaSvilis xelisuflebas, 

saakaSvilis dros qveyanas 

sajaro politikaSi mizani mainc 

hqonda, oRond am miznisken saakaSvili 

ise mirboda, rom am sirbil- 

Si gadagvCexa da dagvaziana. Tumca 

am xelisuflebisgan gansxvavebiT 

is mirboda mainc, eseni araTu 

sadme mirbian, aramed erT adgilze 

dganan da mindorSi xan marjvniv, 

xan marcxniv iyurebian. dRes qveyana 

ar moZraobs, metic, SeiZleba 

vTqvaT, rom ukan midis. erTi nabiji 

win, ori _ ukan, _ aseTi mocemuloba 

gvaqvs. yvelas Tavisi gaWirveba 

da gamowveva aqvs, amitom 

yvelas gmirobas ver movTxovT, axalgazrdebs 

surT, daagrovon codna, 

ganviTardnen rogorc pirovnulad, 

ise finansurad, Seqmnan 

ojaxi da a. S. xandaxan ar aqvT adamianebs 

imis fufuneba, rom iseT 

xelisuflebas daelodon, romelic 

met draivs Semoitans qveyanaSi 

da qveynis ganviTarebaze izrunebs. 

amitom bevri gadis qveynidan, Cemi 

megobrebidan yoveli meore ucxoeTSia 

da iq muSaobs. Tu 10 wlis 

winaT Cems megobrebTan erTad 

vsaubrobdiT, ra proeqtebi gagvekeTebina 

da ra aqtivobebSi CavrTuliyaviT, 

dRes Cvens megobrul 

„birJaze”, ZiriTadad, imaze vsaubrobT, 

vin romel qveyanaSi wavideT, 

viza rogor aviRoT, sad viswavloT 

da a. S. es umZimesi realobaa, 

romlis winaSec qveyana dgas, magram 

gulwrfelad mjera, vinc 

idealistebi varT, am rubikons 

aucileblad gadavlaxavT da darwmunebuli 

var, Zalian bevri dabrundeba 

mas Semdeg, rac qveyanaSi 

draivi iqneba. namdvilad ver vusayvedureb 

maT, vinc ver gauZlo da 

wavida qveynidan, isini did codnasa 

da gamocdilebas daagroveben, 

rogorc ki qveyana maT dauZaxebs, 

aucileblad dabrundebian. rac 

Seexeba politikur periods, vfiqrob, 

gardamavali periodia, raRac 

axali unda daibados. is, rac 

axla gvWirs, es aris „samSobiaro 

tkivilebi”, radgan ibadeba Tavisufleba 

_ yvelaze didi da Rirebuli 

ram. Tavisufleba, romelic 

niWieri bavSvi iqneba da yvela er- 

Tad gavzrdiT. saqarTvelos mojadoebul 

wres axali adamianebi 

gaarRveven, romlebic etapobrivad 

sxvadaxva sferoebs Caibareben. 

sajaro politika aris qveynis orientiri, 

Tumca am etapze me vakeTeb 

„kants”, Tqven gaakeTebT „qronika+”-s, 

Cvens produqtebs ukve etyoba 

axali xedvebi. ramdeni startapia, 

ramdeni geniosi bavSvi 

gvyavs, romlebic NASA-Si saocrebebs 

akeTeben, amitom nu davelodebiT, 

rom xuWuWa parlamentis 

Tavmjdomare gveyoleba da Cvens 

gasakeTebels is gaakeTebs. Cven ar 

unda mivaCerdeT parlamentis tribunas, 

movida axalgazrda Tmaxu- 

WuWa, konstitucionalisti kobaxiZe 

da yvelani gaRimebulebi dagvtova, 

rac adeiSvil-saakaSvil-ivaniSvils 

ar uqnia erTad, am kacma 

gagvikeTa. mamuka baxtaZe axalgazrda 

kacia, is qveynis „mTavari specialistia”, 

araTu premier-ministria, 

aramed premier-ministris 

aparatSi muSaobs. amitom qveyanas 

Secvlis foni, fonis Secvlas ki 

garkveuli dro sWirdeba. miuxedavad 

bevri sirTulisa, rac politikaSic 

gaviare, mainc warmoudgenlad 

idealisti var. 13 ivnisis 

Taoba da „gavrilovis Rames” TvalebdaTxrili 

axalgazrdebi CemTvis 

swored idealizmTan asocirdeba. 

es idealebi gagviyvans samSvidobos. 

mesame Zala iciT, vin aris? 

_ gverdiT, rom gavixedavT da 

„kantis akademia” saocrebebs ake- 

Tebs, mesame Zalis 10% am saqmiT 

modis, 10% „qronika+”-ia da a. S., 

bolo 10-20% iqneba politika, romelSic 

Rirseuli adamianebi movlen. 

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kedlebzec... gatacebulia fotografiiT 

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iT, am ganxriTac muSaobs da 

momavalSi sakuTar beds modis 

biznesSic cdis. ambobs, rom 

mis mier Seqmnil samoss auci- 

leblad gamouSvebs. 

_ baCo, ra asakidan daiwyeT 

xatva? 

_ Zalian patara asakidan, magram 

Tavidan, iseve rogorc 

yvela bavSvi, raRacebs vCxapnidi. 

profesiiT mxatvari ar var, 

TviTnaswavli mxatvari var. 

mamaCems davyavdi Tavis megobar 

mxatvarTan da Cems mexsiereba- 

Si bevri ram daileqa. 

_ anu samxatvro ar gaqvT 

damTavrebuli? 

_ ara. mamaCemi melomani iyo 

da musikamac Zalian didi roli 

iTamaSa Cems ganviTarebaSi. bevri 

albomi hqonda da vinilis 

sxvadasxva disks vusmendi. skolis 

damTavrebis Semdeg stoma- 

tologiurze Cavabare, Tumca 

es ar iyo is profesia, romelsac 

gavyvebodi. paralelurad 

sul vxatavdi. mamaCemi mixvda, 

rom niWi maqvs da pastelebi 

momitana. Semdeg Sav-TeTri naxatebi 

ferebSi gadavitane. 

_ ojaxSi Tqven garda vinme 

xatavs? 

_ aravin xatavs. 

_ samxatvroze ratom ar Caa- 

bareT? 

_ didad gadawyvetili ar 

mqonda, rom mxatvari gamovsuliyavi, 

Tan ufro fulisken 

viyavi koncentrirebuli da 

sxva saqmiT dakaveba varCie. 

stabilur raRacebs veZebdi. 

_ dRes raze xarT koncen- 

trirebuli? 

_ dRes mTlianad xatvaze 

gadaverTe. xatvis garda bevr 

raRacaze vmuSaob, xec mizidavs 

da rkinac. sul swavlis procesSi 

var. yoveldRe vxatav. iyo 

periodi, rodesac muza mqonda 

da viRacas vawonebdi Tavs. 

_ xatva dRes Tqveni Semo- 

`rac ufro mets iSromeb, ar arsebobs, ar 

dagifasdes. rom Camovjde, bereti davixuro, 

yelsaxvevi gavikeTo, tilosTan vidge da 

davelodo, rodis gaiyideba, egre ar var. xatvas, 

rogorc bizness, ise vuyureb. nebismier saqmeSi 

jer unda iyo adamiani da mere Seni saqme. garda 

amisa, kargad unda SefuTo is, rasac akeTeb~ 

baCo geguCaZe: 

`mgonia, mxatvris 

RmerTebi midganan 

gverdiT~ 

savlis wyaroa? 

_ xatva dRes CemTvis yvelaferia. 

ori weli yazbegSi vmoRvaweobdi, 

sadac restornis sami 

sarTuli movxate. ZiriTadad 

SekveTebze vmuSaob, magram am 

drosac mainc Cems stilSi vxatav. 

_ aris garemo, sadac kom- 

fortulad xatavT an gyavT 

vinme konkretuli muza? 

_ mag kiTxvas xSirad misvamen, 

magram roca naxats SekveTis 

gareSe viwyeb, ar vici, ras vxatav. 

ZiriTadad vxatav STagonebiT. 

SeiZleba, metroSi Cavide 

da iq davinaxo iseTi ram, rasac 

Semdeg davxatav. 

_ Tqveni STagonebis wyaro 

vin aris? 

_ konkretulad aravin, magram 

dRes SeiZleba quCaSi gavide, 

viRac gogo momewonos da 

Semdeg is davxato. miyvars lamazi 

qalbatonebis daxatva, maTi 

saxeebis. 

_ portretebis xatva giy- 

varT? 

_ realisturi portretis 

daxatva ar miyvars. ufro Cems 

stilSi vxatav xolme. 

_ ra hqvia Tqvens stils? 

_ Cems stils ufro abstraqcia 

da kubizmi hqvia. miyvars 

bevri ramis erTmaneTSi areva. 

_ ratom abstraqcia da ara 

sxva mimarTuleba? 

_ roca pastelebiT daviwye 

xatva, TiTebiT miyvars muSaoba, 

Semdeg pastels sxva raRa- 

cebi Sevurie, mere zeTSi gadavedi 

da CemiT rac viswavle, is 

gamomivida da bolos stili 

gamoCnda. sul vcdilob, gavaumjobeso. 

Tu naxati ar momwons, 

vagdeb. bevri naxati gadavyare. 

_ ratom? 

_ ar momwonebia. axla aRar 

vyri xolme. 

_ gabrazebisas dagixeviaT 

sakuTari namuSevrebi da gada- 

yriaT? 

_ naxati maSin gadamigdia, 

roca ar momwonebia, Torem rac 

ufro gabrazebuli an uxasia- 

Tod var, ukeTesi naxati gamomdis. 

Cemi erT-erTi damamSvidebeli 

xatvaa. sul procesSi var 

da yoveldRiurad axal namuSevars 

vakeTeb. vcdilob, ar davlio, 

radgan erTi dRe ukve Cavardnili 

iqneba. 

_ Tqvenc im tipur mxatvrebs 

miekuTvnebiT, rom- 

lebsac TavianTi samyaro aqvT? 

_ piriqiT, viRaca rom magas 

metyvis, vbrazdebi xolme. erTi 

Cveulebrivi Tbiliseli biWi 

var. 

_ romelsac aqvs Tavisi sam- 

yaro, asea? 

_ bevri fiqri miyvars, bevri 

idea mawuxebs da, albaT, es aris 

Cemi samyaro. CaZieba miyvars da 

roca kargi namuSevari gamodis, 

mgonia, mxatvris RmerTebi midganan 

gverdiT. 

_ vinme gamorCeuli mxatvari 

Tu gyavT, romlis Semo- 

qmedebac TqvenTvis misabaZia? 

_ aseTi aravin myavs. adre 

internetSi erT-erTi mxatvris 

namuSevari vnaxe, TavSi CamrCa, 

romelic Zalian momewona da 

dRemde maxsovs. 

_ pirvelad ra daxateT? 

_ Tvidan mamakacis saxeebis 

daxatva daviwye, magram mere vamaxinjebdi. 

msiamovnebda saxeebis 

xatva. axla piriqiT mWirs, 

roca minda, rom kacis saxe davxato, 

sul qalis saxeSi gadamdis. 

_ es rogor? 

_ ufro silamazisken miviwev. 

boroti kacis daxatva rom 

minda, lamazi qalis saxe gamomdis. 

_ zemoT aRniSneT, rom re- 

alisturi saxeebis daxatva ar 

miyvarso. ratom? realobas 

gaurbixarT? es Tqveni erTg- 

vari protesti aris Tu? 

_ Cemi Sinagani samyaro rasac 

mkarnaxobs, imas vxatav. figurebis 

maniaki var. vcdilob, 

rom sul axali figurebi gamovigono 

da im saxesac rom vxatav, 

minda, iqac figura Cavsva. 

zogadad, naxatebs Zalian male 

vxatav. 

_ TiTo naxatis daxatvas, 

daaxloebiT, ra periodi un- 

debiT? 

_ erT-or dReSi vxatav. 

_ baCo, davakvirdi, rom 

xatvis dros yursasmenebi gike- 

TiaT. ras gmatebT am dros 

musikis mosmena? 

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gamofena londonSi gaimarTeba 

_ eleqtronul musikas vusmen 

da Tan vxatav. mirCevnia, 

xatvis dros musikas vusmino, 

vidre gare xmaurs. Tvals rom 

gavaxel, musikis mosmeniT viwyeb 

dRes da bevr rameSi mexmareba. 

Sesabamisad, es emocia 

gadamaqvs naxatSi. zogadad, 

mravalferovneba miyvars. 

_ naTqvamia, roca giyvars, 

maSin ormagad ukeT akeTeb 

saqmeso. Tqven SemTxvevaSi 

rogoraa, vinme giyvarT? 

_ sul Seyvarebuli var. bevri 

namuSevari Semiqmnia. coli 

ar myavs, magram sul viRaca 

miyvars. Zalian romantikosi 

adamiani var. roca qalbatonebi 

Cndebian Cems cxovrebaSi, 

yvelas raRac garkveuli wili 

Seaqvs Cemi profesiis ganvi- 

TarebaSi. xSirad dRemde erTsa 

da imave saxes vxedav. is CemTvis 

idealuri iyo erT dros 

da swored am idealurma pirovnebam 

damaxatina qalis saxe. me 

xom sul swavlis procesSi var. 

_ CarCoebSi ar xarT moq- 

ceuli. 

_ CarCoebSi namdvilad ar 

var moqceuli da arc aravis 

vejibrebi. yvelafers guliT 

vakeTeb. 

_ rogorc vici, germaniaSi 

gqondaT gamofena. mogviyeviT 

amis Sesaxeb... 

_ Cemi megobari berlinSi 

cxovrobs da erT mSvenier 

dRes masTan Cavedi, Cemi naxatebi 

Tan waviRe, erT-erT sagamofeno 

galereaSi mivedi, vaCvene 

namuSevrebi da Zalian moewonaT. 

ori gamofena CaminiSnes 

da maleve Cemi personaluri gamofena 

Sedga. ramdenime naxati 

gaiyida kidec da yvelaferma 

warmatebiT Caiara. rac mTavaria, 

damTvalierebeli Zalian 

kmayofili iyo. axla, 19 oqtombers, 

londonSi maqvs gamofena. 

_ vin migiwviaT? 

_ ingliseli dijeia, romelic, 

sxvaTa Soris, „jem festzec” 

ukravda da SemTxveviT 

waawyda Cems namuSevrebs. imdenad 

moewona, rom londonSi 

gamofenis gakeTeba SemomTavaza, 

rac Zalian gamixarda. 15 naxati 

ukve gavgzavne. rac ufro 

bevrs vmuSaob, vxvdebi, rom 

Sroma gifasdeba. 

_ mxatvris Sroma saqarT- 

veloSi dafasebulia? 

_ rac ufro mets iSromeb, ar 

arsebobs, ar dagifasdes. rom 

Camovjde, bereti davixuro, 

yelsaxvevi gavikeTo, tilosTan 

vidge da davelodo, rodis 

gaiyideba, egre ar var. xatvas, 

rogorc bizness, ise vuyureb. 

_ kargad yidiT sakuTar 

Tavs? 

_ ase gamodis. nebismier 

saqmeSi jer unda iyo adamiani 

da mere Seni saqme. garda amisa, 

kargad unda SefuTo is, rasac 

akeTeb. mxatvrobis garda fotografiac 

mitacebs da am 

kuTxiTac vmuSaob, aseve saxlis 

dizainsac vakeTeb. dizainidan 

fuli Semova, imas mxatvrobas 

vaxmar, mxatvrobidan Semosul 

fuls fotografias vaxmar da 

a. S. roca mizans daisaxav, aucileblad 

miaRwev. arasodes Camiqnevia 

xeli. 

_ ra aris Tqveni mTavari mizani, 

ris miRwevasac cdi- 

lobT? 

`Cemi megobari berlinSi cxovrobs da erT 

mSvenier dRes masTan Cavedi, Cemi naxatebi Tan 

waviRe, erT-erT sagamofeno galereaSi mivedi, 

vaCvene namuSevrebi da Zalian moewonaT. ori 

gamofena CaminiSnes da maleve Cemi 

personaluri gamofena Sedga. ramdenime 

naxati gaiyida kidec da yvelaferma 

warmatebiT Caiara~ 

gamovuSveb. amis ambiciebic 

maqvs. 

_ saqarTveloSi person- 

aluri gamofenis gakeTebas ar 

apirebT? 

_ ra Tqma unda, vapireb. yazbegSi 

minda, rom gavakeTo es gamofena, 

_ iq, sadac mTliani restorani 

Cemi moxatulia. msiamovnebs, 

rodesac ucxoeli turistebi 

modian yazbegSi, moswonT 

da akvirdebian Cems namuSevrebs, 

moxatul kedlebs... 

_ dabolos, rogoria Tqveni 

TvaliT danaxuli dRevandeli 

saqarTvelo, rogor daxata- 

vdiT da ra ferebSi? 

_ bevr ferSi myavs danaxuli 

saqarTvelo. TiTqos ra procesebic 

dRes xdeba, miaCnia, rom 

unda gamoiaros es periodi da 

male im kalapotSi Cadges, rogorc 

sxva evropuli qveynebi. 

Wrel ferebSi vxedav saqarTvelos, 

sxvadasxva feria, yovel 

wels meti feri emateba. 

_ cnobili mxatvar-dizaineri 

unda gavxde, radgan rac 

ufro cnobadi xar, ufro gayidvadic 

xdebi. ar gamovricxav 

tansacmlis dizainerobasac. 

rasac davxatav, imas Sevqmni da 

`roca boroti kacis daxatva minda, 

lamazi qalis saxe gamomdis~ 

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`yvelaferze da yvela 

profesiaze uari arasdros uTq- 

giorgi sakaruli 

vams, Tumca garkveuli mizezebis 

555 42 42 90 

gamo msaxiob gvanca giorgobians 

soxumis konstantine gamsaxurdias 

saxelobis saxelmwifo dramatuli Teatridan wamosvla ramden- 

ime wlis winaT mouwia _ Teatridan, sadac man 11 weli imuSava. 

gvanca afxazeTidan devnilia 

da mas gansakuTrebiT Sestkiva 

guli im movlenebze, rac dRes 

saqarTveloSi xdeba. momavals 

yovelTvis imedis TvaliT uyu- 

rebda, Tumca imedi imisa, rom 

afxazeTSi dabrundeboda, gauqra. 

bevr rameze stkiva guli... fu- 

tkariviT mSromelia da Tavisi sa- 

yvareli saqmianobis garda, para- 

lelurad, sxva uamrav saqmesac 

iTavsebda. damaxasiaTebeli rol- 

ebiT man mayurebels rogorc sce- 

nidan, aseve serialidan „Cemi co- 

lis daqalebi” daamaxsovra Tavi. 

„qronika+~ msaxiob gvanca giorgobians 

serialze, soxumis Te- 

atridan wamosvlis mizezebze, 

aeroportSi gatarebul rva 

welze, axal gegmebze, dRevandel 

movlenebsa da bevr saintereso 

Temaze esaubra: 

_ gvanca, bolos mayurebels 

Tavi daamaxsovreT serialidan 

„Cemi colis daqalebi”, sadac 

elisos gmirs TamaSobdiT, Tumca 

garkveuli periodis Semdeg Tqven 

ekranidan gauCinardiT. sad aris 

dRes gvanca giorgobiani? 

_ ekranidan gavuCinardi da 

gavTxovdi, serialidan wamovedi. 

Cemi gmiri gaiyvanes da Tavidan 

bolomde CaverTe axal samsaxur- 

Si, telekompania „iberiaSi”, sadac 

bednieri oTxi weli gavatare. 

_ telekompania „iberiaSi” ras 

akeTebdiT? 

_ Zalian bevr rames. am samsaxurs 

samoTxe Sevarqvi, radgan iq 

vaxmovanebdi serialebs, mxatvrul 

da dokumentur filmebs, multfilmebs, 

reklamebsa da viyavi „iberiis” 

xma. es iyo samsaxuri, romelsac 

dRemde mivstiri. saocrad 

momewona is saqme, romelsac xeli 

movkide, Tumca, samwuxarod, telekompania 

„iberia” daixura. dRes 

var umuSevari, vdiasaxlisob, vzrdi 

patara nikolozs da ubednieresi 

adamiani var, radgan dedoba 

yvelaze didi saCuqaria RvTisgan, 

magram rodesac amdeni weli erTi 

dRiTac ar mqonia samsaxurebrivi 

Cavardna, axla Zalian miWirs umoqmedod 

yofna. mudmivad vmuSaobdi, 

paralelurad ramdenime TeatrSi 

vTamaSobdi. moviare soxumis 

konstantine gamsaxurdias saxelobis 

saxelmwifo dramatuli Teatri, 

Tavisufali Teatri, aseve Teatraluri 

sardafi rusTavelze, 

soxumis mozard mayurebelTa Teatri, 

tragikomediis Teatri da a. 

S. paralelurad damatebiT vmuSaobdi 

sxvadasxva samsaxurSi: dabadebis 

dRis centrebSi, mimyavda 

koncertebi, aeroportSic vimuSave 

da gulwrfelad getyviT, rom 

axla Zalian miWirs ase yofna. imeds 

ar vkargav, rom male, RvTis 

wyalobiT, gamoCndeba samsaxuri, 

romelsac xels movkideb, radgan 

ver warmomidgenia sakuTari Tavi 

mxolod saxlSi. aucileblad unda 

davixarjo, viSromo da aqtiurad 

vicxovro. nikolozs seqtembridan 

baRSi gavuSveb da vgegmav, rom isev 

soxumis TeatrSi davbrunde, iq, sadac 

11 weli gavatare. 

_ ratom wamoxvediT soxumis 

Teatridan, ra iyo amis mizezi? 

_ yvelafers gulwrfelad 

getyviT: roca TeatrSi mivedi, xelfasi 

70 lari iyo. mogexsenebaT, 

es devnili Teatri iyo, maSin meti 

saSualeba ar hqonda da gasagebicaa. 

wlebis mere xelfasi nel-nela 

gamezarda da mqonda 80 lari, 100 

da 115 lari. bolos, roca Teatridan 

wamovedi, 219 lari mqonda 

da es fuli araferSi myofnida, magram, 

miuxedavad amisa, Teatridan 

wamosvlaze arc vfiqrobdi, magram 

zustad im periodSi mamam samsaxuri 

dakarga, mTliani ojaxis patronoba 

da rCena Cems Tavze aviRe. 

am yvelafers ar SevuSinebivar, radgan 

Zalian mebrZoli adamiani var. 

daviwye fiqri, Tu sad memuSava da 

ojaxis sarCeni fuli sad meSova. 

Cemma megobarma rekomendacia gamiwia 

da sruliad moulodnelad 

aeroportSi movxvdi. 

_ aeroportSi ras akeTebdiT? 

_ pirvelad stafi viyavi mofrenis 

darbazSi da informacias 

gavcemdi ucxoelebze. Semdeg es 

samsaxuri maleve daixura. situacias 

gadavxede da aeroportSi darCena 

gadavwyvite, magram policiis 

akademiis damTavreba momiwia. 

ase martivad saaviacio uSiSroeba- 

Si veravin moxvdeba, Tu man raRac 

etapebi ar gaiara. me policielis 

sertifikati miviRe, Cavabare gamocdebi 

srolaSi, viswavle iaraRis 

daSla-awyoba, Cavabare gamocda sisxlis 

samarTalSi, romelic Zalian 

warmatebiT davasrule. am yvelafris 

Semdeg Sinagan saqmeTa saministros 

organos TanamSromeli 

gavxdi, Cavicvi policiis forma da 

davdeqi saqarTvelos sazRvarze _ 

8 weli vaTenebdi Rameebs da vemsaxurebodi 

saqarTvelos. 

_ Zalian kargia, roca adamiani 

saqarTvelos emsaxureba, magram 

aq aris meore sakiTxi: Tqven xarT 

msaxiobi, radikalurad gansxvave- 

bul sferoSi moRvaweobdiT. ar 

gagiWirdaT policiis ampluaSi 

yofna? 

_ ra Tqma unda, gamiWirda. yvelaze 

metad maSin miWirda, rodesac 

vxedavdi, Tu rogor mifrinavdnen 

Cemi kolegebi sxvadasxva qveyanaSi 

gastrolebze. es mtkivneuli iyo, 

radgan me iq videqi da ara _ scenaze. 

yvela msaxiobi, romelic aeroportSi 

mxvdeboda da policiis 

formaSi mxedavda, mekiTxeboda, 

romel filmSi giRebeno, egonaT, 

rom gadaRebisTvis mecva forma da 

policiis rols vTamaSobdi. Zalian 

mindoda, rom sadme meTamaSa da 

uceb „Cemi colis daqalebSi” rolze 

damamtkices, romelic ori sezoni 

gagrZelda. sakmaod aqtualuri 

aRmoCnda Cemi personaJi, romelic 

iyo Sinabera, gauTxovari 

qalbatoni eliso, masac swyuroda 

dedoba, ojaxi, Tumca ver axerxebda. 

ubednieresi viyavi imitom, rom 

Cems sayvarel saqmes vakeTebdi. am 

serialma da rolma uzarmazari 

warmateba, cnobadoba momitana. es 

personaJi ukve didi xania, rac 

ekraze aRar Cans da dResac uamravi 

adamiani mcnobs, mefereba, fotoebs 

iRebs CemTan, rac Zalian 

sasiamovnoa. zogadad Zalian pozitiuri 

adamiani var, cxovrebas 

gvanca giorgobiani: `Zalian 

minda Cems sayvarel soxumis 

TeatrSi dabruneba~ 

`damijereT, rom saqarTveloSi yvela msaxiobi 

SemoqmedebiTad mSieria, Tundac is adamianebi, 

romlebic TeatrSi arian, radgan imaT 

swyuriaT qarTuli filmis aRorZineba, 

swyuriaT, rom maTi saxe darCes qarTul 

kinoSi, rom raRac Rirebuli iTamaSon~ 

yovelTvis imedis TvaliT vuyureb 

da zustad vici, rom jer araferi 

dasrulebula. kidev uamravi ram 

maqvs gasakeTebeli. 

_ „Cemi colis daqalebidan” 

isev rom miiRoT SemoTavazeba, 

dasTanxmdebodiT? 

_ ra Tqma unda, amas SekiTxvac 

ar unda. damijereT, rom saqarTveloSi 

yvela msaxiobi Semoqmedebi- 

Tad mSieria, Tundac is adamianebi, 

romlebic TeatrSi arian, radgan 

imaT swyuriaT qarTuli filmis 

aRorZineba, swyuriaT, rom maTi 

saxe darCes qarTul kinoSi, rom 

raRac Rirebuli iTamaSon. Cveni 

didi bumberazi msaxiobebic xom 

filmebidan daamaxsovrda Taobebs, 

radgan kadri rCeba. Sedevrebi 

aqvT Cvens reJisorebs gadaRebuli, 

romelic ar Camouvardeba msoflio 

kinematografias. samwuxarod, 

dRes aravis aRelvebs qarTuli 

filmis dafinanseba, aravis unda 

misi aRorZineba da gacocxleba. 

qarTuli kino ukve wlebia, mkvdaria. 

CemTvis udidesi bednierebaa, 

roca Cvens reJisorebs vxedav 

Tu rogor akeTeben, iReben aqa-iq 

filmebs, akaveben msaxiobebs da 

aRweven Zalian did warmatebas. 

zaza uruSaZe da sxva uamravi re- 

Jisori gvyavs, romelTac ufulobis 

gamo xel-fexi aqvT Sekruli da 

verafers akeTeben. 

_ gvanca, soxumis TeatrSi dab- 

runebas gegmavT? 

_ Zalian minda, rom Cems sayvarel 

TeatrSi davbrunde, Tumca, 

am etapze, ar vici, ra rogor gamova. 

yvelgan Statis problemaa, 

Tumca Zalian minda. 

_ yvelam kargad viciT, Tu 

rogori dafinanseba iyo Teatreb- 

Si wlebis winaT da amaze Tqvenc 

isaubreT, magram ra xdeba dRes, 

ramdenad gaumjobesda anazRau- 

rebis mxriv situacia? 

_ sul odnav ki gaumjobesda 

xelfasebi, magram lari dRes isea 

gaufasurebuli, rom dRevandeli 

400 lari maSindel 200 lars 

udris. azri miTxariT? rTulia, 

rodesac yvelafers cecxlis fasi 

adevs, gadasaxadebi izrdeba da xelfasebi 

_ ara. 

_ gvanca, Tqven urTulesi periodi 

gamoiareT soxumis Teatr- 

Tan erTad, aseve xarT afx- 

azeTidan devnili, kerZod ki, 

kurort kindRidan. 

_ maxsendeba erTi periodi, 

rodesac msaxiobebis damatebiTi 

dafinanseba daiwyes: me, ratomRac, 

gulubryvilod megona, rom orador 

devnil Teatrs (soxumisa da 

samaCablos Teatrebi), romelmac 

dakarga sakuTari Senoba, mixedavdnen. 

Cven 25 welia, rac rusebma 

gamogvyares da teritoria wagvar- 

Tves. iseT Teatrebze daiwyes daxmareba, 

romlebic yvela adgilobrivi 

iyo da kargad iciT, vinc 

afinansebda maT, Cven ki aravis ga- 

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rolze xels ar movawer~ 

vaxsendiT da aravis vWirdebodiT. 

miuxedavad imisa, rom yvelaze 

cota Semosavali gvqonda sxva Teatrebis 

msaxiobebisgan gansxvavebiT, 

arc erT mecenats ar gavxsenebivarT 

da daxmarebis xeli ar 

gamouwvdia. 

_ rogor fiqrobT, ratom? 

_ rogorc Cans, aravis aRelvebda 

Cveni bedi. Tqven Zalian kargad 

iciT, rogor daafinanses sxva didi 

Teatrebi da damatebiTi anazRaurebac 

ramdeni hqondaT msaxiobebs. 

mrgona, cotas Cvenc mogvxedavdnen, 

magram ara. Cven maSin ar 

viyaviT cnobadi saxeebi, ver davudgebodiT 

gverdiT, Cveni xmebi 

ar sWirdebodaT da is, rom Cven 

devnilebi viyaviT, aravis ainteresebda. 

is cnobadi saxeebi ki awyobdaT, 

radgan icodnen, rom, adre 

Tu gvian, maTi saxeebi gamoadgebodaT 

da gverdiT daiyenebdnen, rasac 

dRes faqtad vxedavT. Cven viwanwaleT 

adgilidan adgilze, Zalian 

didi madloba im uamrav Teatrs, 

romelmac Segvifara da speqtaklebs 

vTamaSobdiT. 25 wlis 

manZilze ar darCenila scena, sadac 

soxumis Teatris msaxiobebs 

ar gviTamaSia, magram marTla guliT 

megona, rom vinme patara ku- 

Txes gamoyofda. Statebi ganaxevrda 

da TeatrSi TiTze CamosaTvleli 

xalxi darCa. 

_ zemoT aRniSneT, rom serialma 

„Cemi colis daqalebma” popu- 

laroba mogitanaT, magram Tqven 

daaxloebiT 2000-ian wlebSi 

rusTavelis sardafSi iTamaSeT 

speqtaklSi „seqsualuri revolucia” 

da me maxsovs, rom am pre- 

mieridan meore dRes speqtaklis 

ganxilva iyo. Tqvenze iwereboda 

presaSi, gakeTda satelevizio si- 

uJetebi, toqSouebSi giwvevdnen 

da Tavisuflad SemiZlia vTqva, 

rom Zalian didi popularoba jer 

`yvelaze metad maSin miWirda, rodesac vxedavdi, Tu rogor mifrinavdnen 

Cemi kolegebi sxvadasxva qveyanaSi gastrolebze. es mtkivneuli iyo, radgan me 

iq videqi da ara - scenaze. yvela msaxiobi, romelic aeroportSi mxvdeboda 

da policiis formaSi mxedavda, mekiTxeboda, romel filmSi giRebeno, 

egonaT, rom gadaRebisTvis mecva forma da policiis rols vTamaSobdi~ 

kidev maSin moipoveT. rogor fiqrobT, 

ratom gamoiwvia am speqtak- 

lma aseTi didi rezonansi? 

_ daviwyoT iqidan, rom Cven 

vcxovrobT saqarTveloSi da msgavs 

Temebs cota tabu adevs. eridebodaT 

xmamaRla saubari, rcxvenodaT. 

TviTon es Janri verbatini, 

axali dabadebuli iyo da saqar- 

TveloSi pirvelad reJisorma nino 

basiliam dadga. Cven xmamaRla daviwyeT 

laparaki speqtaklSi am Temaze 

da zogadad seqsualur problemebze. 

ra Tqma unda, sakmaod 

xmauriani speqtakli gamovida. msgavsi 

speqtakli inglisSi gakeTda. 

nino basiliam saxelic Tamami daarqva 

da amanac Zalian imuSava. garda 

amisa, gamocdili msaxiobebi Segvkriba. 

uniWieresi adamianebis 

gverdiT miwevda TamaSi nino xomasuriZesTan, 

nino leJavasTan da 

maia lomiZesTan erTad. am yvelaferma 

gamoiwvia is, rom xmaurisa 

da ganxilvis sagani gaxda, dainteresda 

presa, televizia da 

speqtakli Sedga. 

_ maxsovs, reJisorma Tqvenze 

gariska, radgan im periodSi, ro- 

gorc mandilosani, gamoucdeli 

iyaviT, Tumca ise iTamaSeT, rom 

yovelgvar molodins gadaaWarbeT. 

_ ki, ki namdvilad. gariska ara 

TamaSis mxriv, aramed sxva kuTxiT. 

iq unda yofiliyo qali, romelic 

cxovreba gamovlilia, Tamamia... 

Tumca gavamarTle reJisoris imedebi 

da oTxive msaxiobma erTad 

movutaneT am speqtakls didi warmateba. 

iseTi gundi Seikra, rom 

sxvanairad arc SeiZleboda 

_ ukve daojaxebuli xarT. 

gyavT meuRle da erTi Svili. ras 

gvetyviT, am gadmosaxedidan, ar- 

sebobs roli, romelzec dRes 

uars ityviT? 

_ SeiZleba, viRacas araferi 

ecvleba daojaxebis Semdeg, magram 

gvanca giorgobians namdvilad 

Seecvala raRac sakiTxebTan mimarTebiT 

Sexedulebebi. adre Tu 

mxolod Cems Tavs vekuTvnodi, 

dRes ase araa. profesionali msaxiobi 

Tu xar, yvelafers lamazad 

SefuTav, iTamaSeb da kargi sayurebelia, 

magram axla bevr rameze 

vityvi uars imitom, rom ojaxis 

qali, deda, meuRle var da yvelaferze 

da yvela rolze xels ar 

movawer. 

_ aqamde yvelaferze xels 

awerdiT? 

_ aqamde, roca gasaTxovari 

viyavi, TviTon vwyvetdi, Tu romel 

rolze unda meTqva uari da romelze 

_ ara. axla mainc sxvanairad 

vuyureb am sakiTxs da is, rac ar 

Segefereba, namdvilad ar unda 

gaakeTo. 

_ Tamami rolebi gaqvT mxed- 

velobaSi? 

_ ra Tqma unda. iseT rolebs 

vgulisxmob, rac meuRles ar mowoneba. 

am gadasaxedidan getyviT, 

rom gaTxovili gvanca yvela 

rolze xels ar moawers da ar 

iTamaSebs. 

_ gvanca, Tven xarT afxazeT- 

idan devnili. dakargeT saxl-kari 

da rogorc Tqven aRniSneT, 25 

welia, rac rusebma gamogyares 

sakuTari miwidan. rogor Seaf- 

asebdiT im movlenebs, rac xdeba 

saqarTveloSi, vgulisxmob, „ga- 

vrilovis sisxlian Rames” da 

dRemde mimdinare procesebs? 

_ es aris katastrofa. savse 

viyavi im imediT, rom Zalian male 

davibrunebdiT afxazeTs, magram 

bolo movlenebma es imedi saer- 

Tod damikarga. Zalian ganvicdi im 

yvelafers, rac dRes xdeba saqarTveloSi. 

guli mtkiva, rom Cems 

qveyanaSi ar dalagda situacia da 

amas vuyureb mas Semdeg, rac saqarTvelos 

damoukidebloba gamocxadda. 

qveyanas ar eRirsa dalageba 

da dawynareba. mcocavi okupacia 

grZeldeba da yoveldRe vkargavT 

teritoriebs, ruseTi okupantia! 

_ molodini ra gqondaT? 

_ ratomRac megona, rom yvelaferi 

ukeTesobisken wavidoda, 

samuSao adgilebi gamoCndeboda, 

magram ras vxedavT? _ adamianebi 

yoveldRe kargaven samsaxurs da 

toveben qveyanas, rom SimSiliT ar 

daixocon. Tu yvela qarTveli 

gavida qveynidan, vis darCeba Cveni 

samSoblo? _ ra Tqma unda, mters. 

es sakiTxic Zalian mawuxebs. erTaderTi 

RmerTis imedi maqvs, rom 

saswauls moaxdens. 

ratom arRvevs sapatriarqo karTagenis 33-e 

kanons da vin gaxdeba quTaTel-gaenaTeli? 

12-e gverdidan 

axla aq viRac mkiTxavs, _ ki magram, sad 

naxe karTagenis 33-e kanonis darRvevao? 

sad, batonebo da, rodesac wlebis manZilze 

ar xdeba am qonebis aRricxva, sistematizacia, 

visac, rogor moundeba, ise SeuZlia es 

yvelaferi gaaCuqos sxva pirebze (minimum 

ocamde faqti mainc vici samkaulebis sxvadasxva 

konkretul personebze Cuqebisa) da 

roca arsebobs safrTxe _ precedentebi sapatriarqoSi 

qurdobis faqtebis, swored es 

aris uwesoba da kanonis darRveva. 

amitom dabejiTebiT moviTxov, dauyovnebliv 

daiwyos am qonebisa da ara mxolod 

am qonebis, aRricxva-sistematizaciis 

procedurebi. maqvs me amis moTxovnis 

ufleba? maqvs da ratom, roca uars ityvian, 

amas maSin ganvmartav. 

*** 

axla meore Temaze gadavideT: quTaTelgaenaTel 

kalistrates (margalitaSvili) 

gardacvalebisa da saepiskoposo taxtis 

daqvrivebisTanave misi Semcvlelis gamosarCevad 

sapatriarqoSi didi intrigebi daiwyo: 

imTaviTve gaJRerda rusTaveli episkoposis, 

meufe ioanes saxeli, Tumca sapatriarqos 

samdivnom mas upovari da uqoneli 

uwoda _ anu misgan raime saxis soliduri 

gamorCenis miReba SeuZleblad iqna miCneuli 

da kandidaturis ganxilva arc ki gagr- 

Zelda(!!!). amJamad sapatriarqos kuluareb- 

Si mimdinareobs brZola sami kandidatidan 

erT-erTis gasamarjveblad. es kandidatebi 

arian: meufe antoni, meufe saba (gigiberia) 

da meufe geramisime. 

rogorc aRmoCnda, sinodis sxdomis gadadebis 

erT-erTi mizezi, romelic ivlisis 

pirvel dekadaSi unda gamarTuliyo, es faqtic 

gaxda, _ barem kandidaturac SevarCioTo, 

_ ubrZanebia matriarqs. Tan sxdomis 

Catarebas isedac aWianurebdnen ori mizeziT 

_ meufe petres gamo, romelsac mudam 

disonansi Seaqvs davarcxnil da winaswar 

dRiswesrig gauxmaurebel (es marTva-gamgeobis 

debulebis darRvevaa) sxdomaSi da 

imis gamoc, rom amiT ukrainis avtokefaliis 

sakiTxze msjelobac gadaideboda. Tan 

isic cnobilia, rom ukve ruseTma sapatriarqo 

taxtze meore kandidaturac SearCia, 

romelmac, rogorc amboben, moskovs piroba 

misca, rom ukrainis avtokefalias 9 

mRvdelmTavari uWers mxolod mxars da 

sakiTxi Cavardebao. 

mokled, axla sapatriaqoSi didi misvlamosvla, 

kompromatebis friali, talaxis 

srola da oqro-vercxlis Cxrialis xma ismis. 

quTaTel-gaenaTis eparqia xom erTerTi 

yvelaze SeZlebuli, episkoposi ki 

gavleniani figuraa saqarTvelos marTlmadidebel 

eklesiaSi. amitom am taxtisTvis 

brZola sulac ar aris rigiTi eparqiisTvis 

brZola qarTveli RvTismsaxurebisTvis da, 

ra Tqma unda, es metad mniSvnelovani sakiTxia 

saqarTvelos sapatriarqosTvis 

konkretuli _ gadawyvetilebis mimRebi _ 

pirebisTvis, Tundac wilebis, ZRvenebis, 

saCuqrebis konteqstSi. 

rogorc amboben, momaval episkoposTan 

dakavSirebiT sapatriarqoSi mosazrebebi 

gayofilia. ar davkonkretdebi, vin vis uWers 

mxars, magram rogorc sapatriarqos kuluarebSi 

amboben, _ Sorena mixvda, rom mosaydre 

sulac ar yofila iseTi baiyuSi, 

rogorc mas egona. 

*** 

dabolos, ra SuaSia es ori Tema erTmaneTTan? 

gana, am kiTxvis dasma relevanturia 

im adamianebisgan, romlebic TvalnaTliv 

xedaven Cveni samRvdeloebis umetesobis 

oqrosmoyvarulobas? 

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oqros 

zagrebi 

wina kviraSi qarTvelma Ziudoistebma 

zagrebis gran-pri moiares da 

Tu pirveli ori dRis ganmavlobaSi 

Tavs vimSvidebdiT, mesame triumfaluri 

da gunduri pirveli adgilis 

momtani aRmoCnda. 

gansakuTrebiT emociuri iyo gela 

zaaliSvilis gamarjveba, romelmac 

finalSi iaponeli hisaioSi harasava 

saocari iponiT daamarcxa. mZime wona- 

Sive brinjao moipova levan matiaSvilma, 

vinac erTaderTi Secdoma 

meoTxedfinalSi imave harasavasTan 

dauSva. 

kvarcxlbekis umaRles safexurze 

avida beqa RviniaSvilic, romelic, Tu 

formaSia, nebismieris daiponeba Seu- 

Zlia. mis gzazec iaponeli metoqe 

idga, magram beqa Seudarebeli iyo. 

sanSiro muraom qarTuli iponi igema. 

erTma Secdomam mesame adgils daajera 

tato grigalaSvili, romelic 

bolo periodSi Zalian stabiluria. 

sasiamovno moulodneloba iyo 

eTer lipartelianis brinjao, romelsac 

naxevarfinalSi iaponel metoqesTan 

daucda fexi. 

saboloo jamSi, saqarTvelom gunduri 

pirveli adgili daikava da Cvenma 

sportsmenebma piradi reitingic 

mniSvnelovnad gaiumjobeses. 

Cempionobas Sewiruli mkerdi 

amas winaT ruminelma simona halepma uimbldoni moigo. es misi meore gamarjveba 

gaxldaT didi slemis turnirebze. serena uiliamsma mas „patara 

eleqtrosadguri” uwoda. marTlac dauRalavi da vercxliswyaliviT moZravi 

simona ukve yvelas aocebs Tavisi TamaSiT. 

Tumca, albaT, bevrma ar icis, rom CogburTis gulisTvis man sxeulis 

nawili Seswira. pirdapiri gagebiT. adre, simonas erTob didroni mkerdi 

hqonia da es TamaSSi xels uSlida, amitom man, jer kidev, arasrulwlovanma, 

17 wlisam, mkerdis dapataraveba gadawyvita da qirurgiul Carevasac 

dasTanxmda. 

marTlac ucnauri ambavia. mTel msoflioSi qalbatonebi mkerdis gadidebas 

cdiloben, aman ki daipatarava. 

„es aris zedmeti wona, romelic Zalian mawuxebs, TamaSisas ki did diskomforts 

miqmnis. Tumca es mxolod karieris gamo ar gamikeTebia. sportsmenic 

rom ar vyofiliyavi, mainc imaves vizamdi”, _ ambobs halepi. 

misi mwvrTneli vim fisete ki amatebs: „maSin ar vicnobdi, Tumca fotoebi 

nanaxi mqonda. man miiRo es gadawyvetileba da kargadac moiqca. marTlac 

Tamami nabiji gaxldaT”. 

halepma operacia 2009 wels gaikeTa, erTi wliT adre ki iuniorTa rolan 

garosi moigo. 

qirurgiulma Carevam Sedegi gamoiRo, ramdenime weliwadSi is msoflios 

pirveli Cogani gaxda. 

didi slemis turnirSi pirvelad man SarSan gaimarjva rolan garosze 

(Tumca manamde am turniris finalSi orjer iyo), wleuls ki amas uimbldonis 

triumfic daumata. 

kari da 

beWedi 

oTx weliwadSi samjer gaCempionebis 

Semdeg „golden steiti” 

NBA-s superfinalSi dama- 

rcxda. „oqros Statelebs” mag- 

ari regularuli sezoni gam- 

ouvidaT, ai, damagvirgvinebel 

fazaSi ki movlenebi maT garSemo 

arc ise saxarbielod gan- 

viTarda. 

dasavleT konferenciis nax- 

evarfinalidan 

„meomrebma” 

gundis lideri kevin duranti 

dakarges. durantulam iseTi 

travma miiRo, axali sezonis 

gamotovebac mouwevs, axla ki 

isic gaoficialurda, rom par- 

ketze ukve „bruklin neTsis” 

maisuriT dabrundeba. 

mere iyo klei tompsonis 

travma da Cempionebi titulis 

mesamed dacvis saqmeSi stef 

karis brZolisunarianobisa da 

ostastobis imedad darCnen. 

oqros biWunam bevri iwvala da 

imdeni SeZlo, rom gundi mijriT 

mexuTed gaiyvana superfi- 

nalSi, sadac dageSil kavai 

leonardsa da pirveli titulis 

maZiebel „torontos” ve- 

Raraferi daaklo. 

axla gundma axali sezonis- 

Tvis mzadeba daiwyo. stef kari 

ambobs, titulis dabruneba 

gvsurs da amisTvis brZolasa 

da nadirobas viwyebTo. 

„gamudmebiT vismen, rom Cven 

titulis mogebis favoritebi 

aRar varT da es Zalianac momw- 

ons. mavanma isic Tqva, Cempion- 

ats veRarasdros moigebeno. 

Cven amis meti motivacia aRar 

gvWirdeba, gansakuTrebiT me. 

wina sezonSi Cempionebi viyav- 

iT, imis winaSic da yvela Cvens 

damarcxebaze nadirobda. axla 

rolebi Seicvala saCempiono 

beWdebze Cven vinadirebT”, _ 

Tqva „golden steitis” varskv- 

lavma. 

nadali: SeiZleboda, 

mesis winaaRmdeg meTamaSa 

rafael nadalma espanel JurnalistebTan 

sakuTar bavSvobaze da im 

arCevanze isaubra, romelic CogburTis 

sasargeblod gaakeTa: 

„bavSvobidan miyvarda fexburTi. 

cudad namdvilad ar vTamaSobdi. vin 

icis, es gza rom gamegrZelebina, egeb, 

erT mSvenier dRes mesis winaaRmdegac 

meTamaSa. paralelurad CogburTze 

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davdiodi da garkveuli warmatebebic 

mqonda. arCevanis gakeTebis dro rom 

dadga, CogburTi vamjobine, radgan am 

sportSi mwvrTnelze an Tanagundelze 

ar xar damokidebuli da metoqesTan 

pirispir dgaxar”, _ Tqva rafa nadalma. 

SeZlebda Tu ara fexburTSi im donis 

miRwevas, rom mesis winaaRmdeg eTamaSa, 

aravin icis. 

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rusebs samxreTafrikelebi Secvlian 

saqarTvelos ragbis kavSirma 

operatiulad imoqmeda da uarze 

wasuli rusebi samxreTafrikelebiT 

Caanacvla. 

mogexsenebaT, rom ruseTis ragbis 

federaciam cota xnis win msoflio 

ragbis oficialur kalendarSi 

Sesuli test-matCi gaauqma, 

aqaoda, 27 agvistos borjRalosnebs 

im mizeziT ar veTamaSebiT, rom 

TbilisSi arastabiluri viTarebaa 

da Cveni moragbeebis usafrTxoebiT 

gariskvas ar vapirebTo. „da- 

Tvebis” am demarSma Cveni nakrebis 

samzadisi kinaRam aria, magram kav- 

Siris mesveurebma sparing-partniors 

maleve miagnes. 

„sauzern kingsi” port elizabeTSi 

bazirebuli samxreTafrikuli 

frenCaizia, romelic super 

ragbis turnirSi monawileobda, 

Tumca did warmatebebs ver miaRwia 

da ragbis regionulma organizaciam 

„samxreTeli mefeebi” aseve 

samxreTafrikul „CitasTan” er- 

Tad super ragbidan garicxa. orive 

klubma gines pro 12-s miaSura da 

Sidaevropuli turniri transkontinenturad 

aqcia. Tumca pro 14- 

Si „mefeebi” Sercxvnen, bolo adgili 

daikaves da axali sezonisTvis 

gaZlierebulad emzadebian. samxreTafrikeli 

gundis mesveurebi 

mixvdnen, rom irlandiur, uelsur, 

Sotlandiur da italiur klubebTan 

konkurencia aranakleb rTulia, 

vidre samxreTelebTan da axal 

sezonSi sul sxva doneze TamaSs 

apireben. amitomac iyo, rom 

qarTvelTa SeTavazebas daufiqreblad 

dasTanxmdnen. 

mokled, gadawyvetilia, rom 27 

agvistos mixeil mesxis saxelobis 

stadionze gaimarTeba test-matCi 

saqarTvelos nakrebsa da samxreT 

afrikis „sauzern kingss” Soris. 

SegaxsenebT: 31 agvistos „dinamo 

arenaze” istoriuli matCia. saqarTvelo 

Sotlandiis erovnul 

gunds umaspinZlebs da es iqneba 

tier 1-is wevri qveynis nakrebis 

pirveli stumroba Cvens qveyanaSi. 

momzadebis daskvniTi etpi 6 seqtembers, 

edinburgis „marifildze”, 

igive sqoTebTan. 

mwvervalze darCenili qarTveli 

erTi saqmea mwvervalis dapyroba 

da meore _ iq adgilis Se- 

narCuneba. 

vaRiaroT: naklebad gveimedeboda, 

rom nika basilaSvili ger- 

maniis Cempionis SarSan mopoveb- 

ul tituls daicavda. yvelaze 

didi barieri naxevarfinalSi ga- 

daeRoba _ germaneli aleqsandr 

zverevi, vinc turniris meore no- 

meri gaxldaT. nikam jer german- 

el russ daaSaliTebina Cogani, 

mere ki naRd rus andrei rublio- 

vs ayara igive dRe. saCogburTo 

analitikosebma aRfrTovanebuli 

statiebi uZRvnes qarTvel Cempi- 

ons. 

axla amerikuli sezoni iwyeba. 

basilaSvili monrealis master- 

siT iwyebs, sadac SarSan ar uTam- 

aSia da qulebic ar aqvs dasacavi. 

Sesabamisad, qarTvelis TiToeuli 

gamarjveba qulebsa da reit- 

ingSi aisaxeba. 

dabruneba warsulSi 

Tbilisis „dinamom” iseTi mogonebebi gagvicocxla, stadionze wausvleloba 

ar iqneba _ 38 wlis Semdeg roterdamis „feienoordi” isev Camova 

TbilisSi. bunebrivia, es ar aris Tasebis mflobelTa Tasis gaTamaSebis 

naxevarfinali da aRarc is varskvlavuri Semadgenloba gvyavs, 

magram axali istoria axalma varskvlavebma unda daweron. Tundac imave 

levan Sengeliam, vinc ori jado-goliT gaumaspinZlda azerebis „gabalas”. 

erTbaSad holandielebis beWze gakvras ver movTxovT, magram rom 

viomebT, namdvilad gveimedeba. 

ukan dasaxevi gza ar aqvs evropis ligaze gadabargebul „saburTalos”. 

alalad simpaTiuri gundi zagrebis „dinamos” ver moeria, magram 

qarTuli fexburTis staJiani qomagisTvis maTgan erevnis „araratis” 

Zlevas ra fasi aqvs, tribunebze gamoCndeba. 

madloba soso fruiZis „Cixuras”, saerTo qarTul yulabaSi misi wili 

qulebi rom Seitana da nu davZraxavT quTaisis „torpedos”, evroodiseas 

Tu ukiduresi finansuri problemebis miZalebisas ver gaarTves Tavi. 

N26 (287) 6.08-12.08.2019 w. 

Celsi, qali, liverpuli 

es ukve namdvili revoluciaa. aqamde qals 

mamakacTa Soris evroturnirebis matCi ar ganusjia 

da aha _ 14 agvistos stambolSi uefas 

superTasis matCs inglisur „liverpulsa” da 

„Celsis” Soris frangi stefani fraperi gansjis. 

35 wlis qalbatons uzarmazari gamocdileba 

aqvs da qali arbitrebis korpusSi lamis 

pierluiji kolinas avtoritetiT sargeblobs. 

marto is rad Rirs, rom swored madam stefani 

gauZRva qalTa msoflio Cempionatis amaswinandel 

finals aSS-isa da holandiis nakrebebs 

Soris. 

stefanis mamakacTa matCebis gansjaSic sakmao 

praqtika aqvs. safrangeTis mesame ligaSi 

2011 wlidan msajobs, oTxi wlis Semdeg meore 

ligamde daawinaures, wleuls ki elitur divizionSi 

„amieni”-„strasburis” da „nica”-„nantis” 

gaZRolac moaswro. eg ki arada, nicaSi gamarTul 

matCSi penalti damatebul wuTze daniSna. 

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erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba 

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze 

yovelkvireuli 

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masalebis nebismieri saxiT 

gamoyeneba da gavrceleba 

redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad 

akrZalulia! 

gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul 

masalebs aqvT sareklamo 

xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia 

SeiZleba ar daemTxves 

redaqciis Sexedulebas. 

mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12) 

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06 

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50 

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55 

injgia nene 591 71 39 98 

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 90 

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40 

vaSaymaZe xviCa 599 22 82 89 

laRaZe Sorena 557 56 23 66 

deviZe daviT 

stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe; 

redaqciis misamarTi: 

Tbilisi, gudauris N3, 

pirveli sarTuli, bina 4; 

tel.: 294 69 77; 

sareklamo ganyofileba, 

gavrcelebis samsaxuri 

Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10 

gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~ 

ISSN 2346-8025 

294 69 77; 

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