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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com

yovelkvireuli gazeTi

gamodis orSabaTobiT

N2 2 (334) 22.02

02.20

.2021

21 fasi 2 lari

gia xuxaSvili:

gv. 6

`RaribaSvilis

dabruneba

ivaniSvilis

piradi

tragediaa~

kaxa kukava:

`sisxli

daiRvreba

da cixidan

erTi

Tqvenganic

ver gamova!~

gv. 14

murman dumbaZe:

`ivaniSvils

araferi

uSvelis,

riggareSe

arCevnebi

gardauvalia~

gv. 26

lela jejelava:

`qarTul

politikaSi

gavrilovis

aCrdili

dadis!~

gv. 12

lia muxaSavria:

`RaribaSvilis

gapremiereba

ivaniSvilis

boRmiani nabijia~

gv. 2

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gv. 10

gv. 22 gv. 28

karis SeTqmuleba

`qarTul

ocnebaSi~ _

ratom gadadga

giorgi gaxaria?

daxuruli Sexvedris gauxmaurebeli detalebi

gv. 4

`dagiWamiaT

erTmaneTi!~ _

biZina ivaniSvilis

gzavnili

`ocnebas

ocnebas~

giorgi masxulia: `irakli kobaxiZes

Tmis stils Sevucvlidi~ gv. 36

malxaz maCalikaSvili:

`gogaSvili iseTi

gasvrilia, mas

RaribaSvili aRar

gaikarebs~

gv. 24

nino goguaZe:

`irakli

RaribaSvili,

rogorc individi,

ar arsebobs~

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na ivaniSvilic gadaarCina, radgan

opoziciis darbevisa da liderebis

dapatimrebis mere dasavleTs

aucileblad eqneboda myisieri

umwvavesi reaqcia, rac,

savaraudod, misTvis sanqciebis

dawesebiT dasruldeboda, es ki

karis gadatrialebis saucxoo

dasasruli iqneboda kobaxiZemdinaraZis

tandemisTvis, _ isini

qveyanaSi erTpirovnuli xelisu-

karis SeTqmuleba `qarTul ocnebaSi~

giorgi gaxaria wavida, irakli

eliso kilaZe

RaribaSvili dabrunda. „qarTul

ratom 599 17 12 12 ocnebaSi“ axali politikuri era da

- ryevebi daiwyo. pirveli oqtombris

gayalbebul arCevnebs erTpartiuli parlamenti da gaer-

Tianebuli opozicia mohyva, boikoti warmatebuli aRmoCnda da

saboloo suraTi verc elisaSvilis „moqalaqeebisa” da „patri-

otTa aliansis” ganayofis parlamentSi Sesvlam Secvala.

biZina ivaniSvili politikidan

da „qarTuli ocnebidan” wavida,

ar damirekoTo, daibara da

partiis Tavmjdomaris posti

irakli kobaxiZes gadauloca.

kobaxiZem daijera ra, rom xelisuflebas

warmoadgens, pirveli

rac moisurva, Zalovani uwyebis

gakontroleba iyo. _ „ÌÂÄ”

unda daviTrioT! _ Tqva man viwro

wreSi. mogexsenebaT, ivaniSvilis

xelisuflebaSi viwro wre-

Sic ki yvelafers asi Tvali da

yuri aqvs, amitom kobaxiZis es

gegma imave saRamos gaxda biZina

ivaniSvilisTvis cnobili da

daTrevis magier, vaxtang gomelauri

kidev ufro axlos miuCina

kobaxiZes, _ qarTuli politikis

istoriaSi pirvelad, Ss

ministri mmarTveli partiis politsabWoSi

aRmoCnda.

irakli kobaxiZis ambiciebi Ss

saministros daTrevis nawilSi

ver dakmayofilda, amitom misi

samizne pirdapir, giorgi gaxarias

savarZeli gaxda. mdinaraZekobaxiZis

gundi imdenad gaTavxedda,

rom giorgi gaxarias

Tanamdebobis datoveba mosTxoves,

uaris Semdeg ki ukve karis

gadatrialebis gegma SeimuSaves.

Ss ministris postze mamuka mdinaraZis

kandidatura ualternativod

ganixileboda, magram premier-ministris

jer kidev aravakanturi

posti arc irakli kobaxiZes

eTmoboda, arc kaxi kalaZes

da arc arCil TalakvaZes. am

informaciis mediaSi gaJonvis

mere „qarTuli ocnebis” lider-

Sipi kamerebis win gamoCnda da sazogadoebas

erT xmaSi umtkicebda,

Jurnalistebma binZuri Wori

gaavrceles, Cven erTi gundi

varT da erTmaneTTan gasayofi

araferi gvaqvso, magram bolo

dros ganviTarebulma movlenebma

cxadad aCvena, rom „ocnebis”

SigniT yvela yvelas winaaRmdegaa

da aranairi erToba formaluradac

ki ar arsebobs.

nika melias dakavebis gegma

didi saxelisuflebo gadatrialebis

erTi Semadgeneli nawili

iyo. eqvssaaTianma sasamarTlo

procesma cxadad aCvena, rom mosamarTle

saboloo politikur

verdiqts elodeboda, romelic

agvianebda, sasamarTlo procesis

paralelurad ki movlenebi

kancelariis meTerTmete sarTulze

metismetad dramatulad

viTardeboda.

Sexvedras premier gaxariasTan

irakli kobaxiZe da Ss ministri

vaxtang gomelauri eswrebodnen,

irakli kobaxiZe nika melias

dakavebas da enm-s ofisis

SturmiT aRebas iTxovda. gaxaria

melias dakavebis winaaRmdegi

iyo. arsebul myife situaciaSi,

roca „ocnebis” reitingi da saerTaSoriso

ndoba katastrofulad

qvemoT mieqaneboda, opozicia

ki gaerTianebas da saerTo

gegmis warmodgenas ver axerxebda,

pandemiis SezRudvebi masStaburi

aqciebis gamarTvis saSualebas

ar iZleoda, darbevadakavebebis

axali seria mxolod

opoziciis konsolidacias Seuwyobda

xels, _ es iyo premier

gaxarias argumenti, magram irakli

kobaxiZe ultimatumis eniT

isteriulad iTxovda darbevaze

Tanxmobas, rasac gaxarias gaRizianeba

moyva, _ Tqveni jibis

premieri xom ar ggonivarTo?! am

sityvebiT gaxariam kobaxiZe kabinetidan

gamoagdo.

rogorc Cveni wyaro yveba,

Seqmnili situaciis Sesaxeb biZina

ivaniSvils vaxtang gomelaurma

acnoba, ivaniSvilma ki gaxariasTan

dareka, magram jer kidev

moqmedma premierma satelefono

zarebs aRar upasuxa, meore diliT

ki gadadgomis Sesaxeb sajaro

gancxadeba ise gaakeTa, politikuri

gundic saxtad datova

da _ Sinagan saqmeTa saministroc.

premieris gadadgomis momentSi

policia nika melias dakavebis

operaciisTvis emzadeboda,

enm-is ofisTan saswrafo daxmarebis

manqanebi iyo mobilizebuli.

ra gegma hqondaT kobaxiZemdinaraZes?

imTaviTve cxadi iyo, rom melias

dakaveba Sturmis gareSe ar

ganxorcieldeboda, enm-is ofis-

Si opoziciis sxva liderebic

imyofebodnen aqtivistebTan er-

Tad, romlebic Riad acxadebdnen,

rom melias policias ar

dauTmobdnen. Ss saministros specdaniSnulebis

razmis gamoyeneba

mouwevda, iqnebodnen daSavebulebic

da, savaraudod, daRupulebic,

rasac saerTaSoriso

sazogadoebis mxridan mwvave

reaqcia da qveynis SigniT didi

areuloba mohyveboda.

ra iqneboda Seqmnili mdgomareobidan

gamosavali?

gundi imsjelebda da politikur

gadawyvetilebas miiRebda,

_ situaciis ganmuxtva premier-ministrisa

da Ss ministris

gadadgomas SeuZliao.

amis Semdeg kobaxiZe-mdinaraZis

tandemi, faqtobrivad,

or kurdRels klavda,

premier-ministris postis

garSemo vaWroba ukve dawyebuli

iyo. vin moigebda am oms _ kaxi

kalaZe Tu irakli kobaxiZe, es

imaze iqneboda damokidebuli,

vin ramdeni xmis mobilizebas

SeZlebda saqarTvelos parlamentSi.

ratom gadadga

giorgi gaxaria?

daxuruli Sexvedris

gauxmaurebeli detalebi

rogori iyo SeTqmulebaSi

parlamentis Tavmjdomare arCil

TalakvaZis roli? Cveni wyaros

cnobiT, premier-ministris postze

arCil TalakvaZes Zalovnebi

lobirebdnen, sanacvlod ki

kobaxiZes parlamentis Tavmjdomared

dabrunebas hpirdebodnen.

giorgi gaxariam sakuTari

gadadgomiT, faqtobrivad, biZi-

falni xdebodnen.

biZina ivaniSvils giorgi

kvirikaSvilis premierobis dros

ukve hqonda karis gadatrialebis

gamocdileba, roca is xelisuflebas

realurad gaecala da

„ocnebaSi” iseTi intrigebi daiwyo,

faqtobrivad, meored Semosabrunebeli

gaxda politikaSi.

amjerad man movlenebs daaswro,

civi Sxapis efeqtiT imoqmeda da

yvelasTvis moulodnelad, premier-ministris

postze irakli

RaribaSvilis kandidaturas dauWira

mxari, Tanac politsabWos

Sekreba da gamocxadeba imave

dRes moiTxova da meore dRisTvis

aRar gadado.

am kviraSi parlamenti RaribaSvils

premieris postze daamtkicebs.

man mxolod infrastruqturis

ministri maia cqitiSvili

gamocvala, romelic saku-

Tari gancxadebis safuZvelze

wavida saxlSi. da es posti „qar-

Tus” gamocdilma kadrma, irakli

qarselaZem Caibara, Tavdacvis

ministri ki RaribaSvilis

yofili moadgile, juanSer bur-

WulaZe gaxda.

Cveni wyaros informaciiT,

„qarTul ocnebaSi” didi aurzauria,

_ jer erTi, isini udidesi

isteriiT da SiSiT elodebian,

ras moimoqmedebs giorgi gaxaria,

gansakuTrebiT mas mere, rac

kancelariis TanamSromlebTan

misma bolo selfma socialur

qselSi rekordi moxsna.

„qarTuli ocnebis” ofisi ukve

datova mTavarma ideologma

laSa nacvliSvilma. is post tvis

direqtoris posts daubrunda.

Cveni wyaros informaciiT,

„ocnebis” datovebas uaxloes

kvirebSi apirebs kaxi kalaZec,

romelsac aseve hqonda premierobis

ambicia da moaxloebuli

adgilobrivi arCevnebis win mzad

iyo gadamdgariyo,meris movaleobas

arCevnebamde pirveli vice

meri Seasrulebda, irakli RaribaSvilis

gapremierebis pirobebSi,

kalaZis Sansebi, faqtobrivad,

nulovania. rogorc Cans, is

Tbilisis meris postze „ocnebis”

kandidati aRar iqneba.

kidev ra siurprizebs unda

velodoT mmarTvel gundSi, es

Tvis bolomde gamoCndeba da

mTavar kiTxvasac gaecema pasuxi,

_ daiWers Tu ver daiWers nika

melias irakli RaribaSvili da

Seasrulebs Tu ara dapirebas

wesrigis aRdgenis Taobaze?

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Tamar rostiaSvili

577 10 07 06

yvela xelisuflebis dros

arsebobda kiTxvebi oqros mompovebeli kompaniebis realuri

mflobelebis Sesaxeb. Tavis droze, human right Georgia-m

scada gaerkvia, Tu vin idgnen am sferoSi moqmedi kompaniebis

ukan, Tumca Zalian gauWirda, vinaidan ofSoruli kompaniebis

beneficiari mflobelebis dadgena gamxelili wyaroebis mixed-

viT SeuZlebelia.

2014 wels RMG Gold-is aqcionerebi

iyvnen troicki da misi partniori

dimitri korJevi. rac

Seexeba mesame mewiles, parlamentis

wevr koba nayofias, romelic

22%-s flobda kompaniaSi, man

Tavisi minoritaruli wili 2013

wlis 4 ivliss danarCen mflobelebze

gaasxvisa. cnobisTvis: nayofias

gancxadebiT, ar Sesrulda

wilis miyidvis xelSekrulebiT

gaTvaliswinebuli valdebulebebi,

ris gamoc deputatma dava wamoiwyo.

arada, rogorc „qronika+~-ma

gaarkvia, 2013 wlis 4 ivliss monacemebiT,

sajaro reestrSi kompaniaSi

wilebis cvlilebaze monacemebi

ar iZebneba. arc aris gasakviri

_ rogorc Cans, garigeba kompaniis

mflobel ofSorul subieqtebs

Soris moxda da es qarTul

dokumentebSi ar aisaxa.

amJamindeli monacemebiT, RMG

Gold-is 96.21%-is mflobeli Sps

„maining invesTmenTia“, darCenil

wilebs ki ss RMG Copper-i flobs.

RMG Gold-is generaluri direqtori

manamde ruseTis moqalaqe

sergei eganovi iyo, dRes ki Tornike

lipartia gaxlavT. sameTvalyureo

sabWomac cvlileba ganicada.

sergei eganovis, alvidas brusokasisa

da vaxtang faresiSvilis

magivrad dRes arian _ dimitri

troicki, dimitri korJevi da irina

nikiforova. samive ruseTis moqalaqea.

niderlandebis savaWro palatis

2014 wlis ivnisis amonaweris

mixedviT, Rich Metals Group-s

saqarTveloSi registrirebuli

kompania Minings Developments Georgia

flobs, romelic, Tavis mxriv,

kviprosul Pamtilon Holdings Limiteds

ekuTvnis. am kompaniis 87.5% isev

kvirposuli Specimax Co-s sakuTreba

iyo. am ukanasknelis mflobeli

ki aseve ori kviprosuli kompaniaa:

Scoremax Holdings Limited-i da Mountaindrop

co. Ltd. rogorc xedavT, aq

ofSorebis tandemia, rac arTulebs

RMG Gold-is saboloo beneficiari

mflobelebis dadgenas.

2012 wels Human Right - Georgia

daukavSirda Human Right – Russia-s

da miiRo informacia, rom kompaniebi

„madneuli” da „kvarciti”

(igive RMG Copper da RMG Gold)

rusulma „kapital jgufma” iyida,

romelic dimitri korJevsa da

dimitri troickis ekuTvnis. kor-

Jevi da troicki ruseTSi floben

maRaziaTa qsel O’KEY-s, xolo

sergei eganovTan erTad isini bank

„sankt-peterburgis” sameTvalyureo

sabWos SemadgenlobaSi Sediodnen.

eganovi, amavdroulad,

ZAO Capital Group-is (yofili Neva-

Russia) direqtori gaxldaT. amave

kompaniis sameTvalyureo sabWos

Tavmjdomare aris cnobili rusi

miliarderi vladislav doronini.

maSasadame, 2012 wlis 7 ivniss

kompania gaiyida da RMG Gold-is

direqtorad vaxtang faresiSvili

dainiSna, maleve sameTvalyureo

sabWos wevrebi gaxdnen dimitri

troicki, dimitri korJevi, zurab

quTelia da laSa axalaZe. zurab

quTelia ar gvaxsovda, amitom deklaraciebs

gadavxedeT da gavarkvieT,

rom 2003-2004 wlebSi igi

garemos dacvis saministroSi wiaRis

dacvisa da samTo saqmis departamentis

xelmZRvaneli iyo. quTelia

gaxldaT licenzirebis uwyebaTaSorisi

eqspertTa sabWos Tavmjdomare

maSinac, rodesac saxelmwifo

uwyebis, geologiis departmanetis

mier dafuZnebul kompania

„trans jorjian resorsze”

gaica oqros mopovebis licenzia.

ase rom, rodesac dRemde gahyvirian

kazreTze, umjobesia iqidan

daiwyon, vin gasca licenzia wiaRiseulis

mopovebaze. im dros kompaniis

warmomadgeneli mixeil

WoxoneliZe Tavadac imave sabWos

wevri iyo da rodesac ramdenime

wlis Semdeg Sps „kvarciti” (axlandeli

RMG Gold) danarCen or kompanias

Seerwya, misi licenziac

„kvarcitze” gadavida.

ra Serwymazea saubari?! 2012

wlamde kompaniis mflobeli

niderlandebSi registrirebuli

„ji-pi-em jorjia” iyo, romelmac

„kvarciti” 2011 wels SeiZina. kompaniis

mflobelma Sps „geopromainingma”

sakuTari aqciebi ss

„madneulSi” da wilebi Sps „kvarcitSi”

„ji-pi-em jorjias” kapital-

Si Seitana. „geopromainingi” virjiniis

kunZulebze registrirebuli

kompaniaa. igi flobda 99%-s ss

„madneulSi” da 85.47%-s Sps

„kvarcitSi”, xolo danarCen

wilebs „kvarcitSi” meore kompania

_ „madneuli” flobda.

niderlandebSi registrirebuli

kompaniis direqtori iyo vitali

iablokovi. 2012 wels man ganacxada

kompaniebis gayidvis Sesaxeb

da es imiT axsna, rom „ji-pi-em

jorjiam” „madneulis” licenzia

dakargva. is saxelmwifos mier

gamocxadebul tenderSi sxva kompaniam

moipova.

licenziebidan erT-erTi 93

milion larad „kavkasiis samTo

jgufma” SeiZina, meore licenzia ki

110 milion larad _ Mining Investment-ma.

es ori kompaniac, ra Tqma

unda, kviprosSia registrirebuli

da mas „femTilon holdings limiTedi”

flobs. orives sameTvalyureo

sabWoSi vaxtang faresiSvili,

alvidas brusokasi da sergei eganovi

iyvnen gamwesebuli.

xelisuflebis cvlisa da

„qarTuli ocnebis” mosvlis Semdeg

zurab quTelia arc erT maTganSi

aRar figurirebs _ ubralod, qreba.

masTan erTad qreba koba nayofiac

Tavisi „madneuliTa” da

„kvarcitiT”. arafers vambobT

imaze, rom miuxedavad imisa, igi

parlamentis wevri iyo, arc erT

deklaraciaSi ar aqvs miTiTebuli

RMG Gold-is wilis mesakuTreobaze.

virjiniis kunZulebze registrirebuli

Bioneli limited da Dream

Vision Capital Inc.-is mflobelobaSi

misi Svili nikoloz nayofia figurirebs

mxolod, magram arc erT

am kompanias RMG Gold-Tan kavSiri

TiTqos ar aqvs.

axla naxtomi gavakeToT da 2020

wlis saparlamento arCevnebze gadavinacvloT!

am arCevnebze, 3 ivnisis

monacemebiT, „qarTulma ocnebam”

4,5 mln. lari Semowiruloba

miiRo maSin, roca 2019 wels

Catarebul Sualedur arCevnebze

TiTqmis orjer meti _ 8 milion

laramde. yvelam viciT, rom fizikuri

pirisgan Semowirulobis Tanxa

60000 lars ar unda aRematebodes,

kompaniisgan ki _ 120000 lars.

3 ivnisis arCevnebSi 204 Semowiruloba

Semovida mxolod fizikuri

pirebisgan. cota sasaciloa,

magram erTi kompaniis Tanamflobelebi

da direqtorebi lamis

erTdroulad swiravdnen Tanxebs.

romeli Semomwirvelebi iyvnen

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skandaluri

dokumentacia

rogor dafinansda

`qarTuli ocneba~ 813 aTasi

lariT rusuli `sberbankis~

partniori pirebisgan?

kavSirSi RMG Gold-Tan? amasTan

dakavSirebiT mniSvnelvania IDFI-s

angariSi.

„qarTul ocnebas” 60 000 lari

Seswires RMG Gold-is aRmasrulebelma

direqtorma Tornike lipartiam,

warmoebis direqtorma koba

menabdiSvilma, korporaciulma

direqtorma kaxaber mWedliSvilma,

vladimer kaxeTeliZem, romelic

2018 wlis informaciiT RMG

Gold-is usafrTxoebis samsaxuris

ufrosi iyo, yofilma aRmasrulebelma

direqtorma jondo SubiTiZem,

romelic RMG-sTan dakav-

Sirebuli sxva kompaniis mflobelia,

yofilma aRmasrulebelma

direqtorma daviT balanCivaZem,

garemos dacvis sakiTxebSi direqtorma,

mixeil kvaracxeliam, RMGis

resursebis geologma (2017 wlis

monacemebiT) malxaz nacvliSvilma.

axla gadavTvaloT _ 480 000

lari, TiTqmis naxevari milioni.

55 000 lari Seswira kaxaber

kekeliZem, romelic 2014 wels

RMG-is gamamdidrebeli fabrikis

direqtori iyo, 50 000 lari adamianuri

resursebis mimarTulebiT

direqtoris moadgile giorgi CxeiZem,

40 000 lari korporaciuli

direqtoris moadgile amiran

dimitri troicki

dimitri kumanovski

qarTveliSvilma, 15 000 lari adamianuri

resursebis ganviTarebis

departamentis ufrosma irakli

SatakiSvilma, 30 000 lari adamianuri

resursebis marTvis samsaxuris

ufrosma keso CiRunaZem, 45

000 lari zaza avaliSvilma, romelic

2014 wels RMG-is strategiuli

ganviTarebis menejeri iyo, 7000

lari _ RMG-is sazogadoebasTan

urTierTobis menejerma nato nozaZem,

7000 lari RMG Copper-is Sesyidvebis

menejerma irodi (irakli)

WeJiam, 7000 lari socialuri

proeqtebis marTvis samsaxuris

ufrosma daviT menabdiSvilma, 7000

lari Seswira „qarTul ocnebas”

Jiuli beriZemac, romelic 2014

wels RMG-is gamamdidrebeli fabrikis

saremonto samsaxuris xelm-

ZRvaneli iyo, 10 000 lari Seswira

gia muSkudianma, romelic 2015

wels RMG-is administraciaSi

muSaobda. aseve RMG-is administraciaSi

iyo dasaqmebuli 2015 wels

jemal giorgaZe, romelmac mmarTvel

partias 10 000 lari Seswira.

axla davTvaloT: 283 000 lari.

maia nacvliSvilma mmarTvel

partias 50 000 lari rom Seswira,

amaSi gasakviri araferia, magram

nacvliSvilis misamarTzea registrirebuli

aleqsandre quTaTelaZe,

romelic 2010-2012 wlebSi

RMG-is finansuri direqtori iyo.

Tavad maia nacvliSvilis saxelze

ki iZebneba uZravi qonebis reestr-

Si Sps „kvarcitis“ (RMG-is Zveli

dasaxeleba) kazreTSi mdebare uZrav

qonebaze amonaweris moTxovna.

ai, ase!

Tu daviangariSebT, gamodis,

rom RMG-sTan pirdapir Tu iribad

dakavSirebulma fizikurma

pirebma „qarTul ocnebas” Seswires

813 aTasi lari. anu 204 Semomwirvelma

Semoitana 4,5 milioni

lari da aqedan TiTqmis erTi milioni

lari modis rusul kompaniaze

da am kompaniasTan dakavSirebul

15-iode adamianze.

IDFI-s monacemebiT, SemomwirvelTa

siaSi figurirebs aTobiT sxva

adamiani, romlebic bolnisSi, daba

kazreTSi an mimdebare soflebSi

arian registrirebulni, ZiriTad

SemTxvevaSi ar aqvT wilebi biznes-

Si an saerTod ar floben uZrav

qonebas, an mxolod im saxls,

romelSic registrirebulni arian.

amasTan, maTi nawilis saxelebi

da gvarebi iZebneba RMG-is sxvadasxva

wlis onlain gamocemaSi.

axla ki yvelaze mTavari! _ rogor

dafinansda „qarTuli ocneba”

rusuli „sberbankidan”?

2020 wlis ivnisSi ruseTis prezidentma

vladimir putinma sajaro

madloba gadauxada da Seaqo „sberbankis”

Tavmjdomare german grefi,

vinaidan bankis sakredito monacemebma

pirveli adgili daikava

msoflio aqcionerTa (BCG) bazaSi.

manamde, 2020 wlis martSi,

vladimir putinma xeli moawera

ruseTis mTavrobis mier „sberbankis”

sakontrolo paketis (52,3%)

aqciebis Sesyidvis Sesaxeb. sakontrolo

paketis mflobeloba niSnavs,

rom mTavrobas aqvs gadamwyveti

sityva bankis politikis gatarebaSi

da gadawyvetilebis miRebaSi.

bankidan erTi kupiura ar gava

misi ratificirebis gareSe. cno-

bisTvis: realuri gadacema ganxorcielda

2019 wlis dasawyisSi,

ufro Tanxis gadaricxva moxda

2020 wlis TebervalSi. zustad am

periodSi „ÎÊ”-is aqcionerebma,

romlebic paralelurad aviTareben

hipermarketebisa da maRazia-

Ta qsel „Äà!”-s, 1 triolioni rusuli

rublis kredits iReben

„sberbankisgan”.

„ÎÊ”-is jgufSi Sedis 78 saer-

To dasaxelebis hipermarketi da

84 diskaunTeri. „Äà!” kompaniis

daaxloebiT 44,79% Sps Nisemax Co-

Si ekuTvnis dimitri troickis da

dimitri korJevs, 29,52% ekuTvnis

boris volCeksa da Free-float-s _

25,69%.

sainvesticio kompania „lms”

generalur direqtor dimitri kumanovskis

gancxadebiT, sesxis Tanxa,

erTi triolioni rusuli rubli,

Zalian didia da vinaidan „sberbanki“

dasTanxmda, es niSnavs,

rom... yuradRebiT! vcitirebT:

„formalurad „ÎÊ”-s gamouCnda

partniori da 1 triolioni rublis

micema niSnavs imas, rom amieridan

kompanias hyavs ZiriTadi partniori”.

citatis dasasruli.

dimitri troickisa da dimitri

korJevis kompanias ruseTSi formalurad

„flobs”, anu ZiriTadi

partnioria „sberbanki”, romlis

sakontrolo paketi ekuTvnis ruseTis

federacias. dimitri korJevisa

da dimitri troickis kompania

saqarTveloSi arCevnebis Ziri-

Tadi damfinansebelia. 4,5 milioni

laridan TiTqmis milioni lari

rom Sen Segaqvs, ra gamodixar?! 813

aTasi lari es aris savaraudod

yvelaze didi Senatani Semomwirvelebs

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melias saqme

didi mcdelobis miuxedavad,

„qarTulma ocnebam” opozicia

parlamentSi ver Seiyvana. mxolod

6 adamianis Setyueba moxerxda.

am eqvseuls ki opoziciad

aravin aRiqvams. Sesabamisad,

parlamenti aris erTpartiuli.

amas Cveni dasavleli partniorebi

xSirad usvamen xazs.

marTalia, „ocnebaSi” xmamaRla

ar amboben, magram amis gamo

Zalian Relaven. winaaRmdeg Sem-

TxvevaSi, isini opozicionerebs

deputatis uflebamosilebas

ar miusjidnen. 51 opozicioners

uari eTqva deputatis uflebamosilebis

Sewyvetaze, maT

Soris iyo nika meliac, romelsac

am ambidan oriode kviris

Semdeg moulodnelad mouxsnian

deputatis imunitets da

ukve meored gaimeteben cixisTvis.

pirvelad nika melia kolegebma

cixisTvis wina mowvevis

parlamentSi gaimetes _ 2019

wlis ivnisSi deputatis imuniteti

mouxsnes. mas 20 ivnisis

saqmeze edavebodnen. maSin melias

sasamarTlom girao da eleqtronuli

samajuri akmara,

axla ki giraos gadauxdelobis

gamo mTavari opoziciuri partiis

liders sasamarTlom

aRkveTis RonisZiebis saxiT patimroba

Seufarda.

nika melias dapatimreba politikuri

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iyo, amaSi eWvi arc aravis Sehparvia.

gaxarias gancxadebis Semdeg

yvelam gaigo, rom opozicioneri

cixeSi ara sasamarTlom,

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partiis liderebs dasaWeri

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ramdenime kviris win

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politikuri partiis liderisa

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da amiT opoziciasTan vaWrobas

apirebda. mere gadawyvetileba

Secvales da arCevani nika

melias sasargeblod gaakeTes.

rogorc „qronika+”-s mmarT-

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gadadgomiT yvelaferi Tavdayira daayena. partias civi wyali

misma Semqmnelma biZina ivaniSvilmac gadaasxa. misi gadawyvetile-

ba „qarTul ocnebaSi” aucileblad gamoiwvevs rRvevas. rogorc

amboben, Zalian male kaxa kalaZe datovebs gunds da damo-

ukidebel TamaSs daiwyebs. partiis rRveva, adre Tu gvian, mainc

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veli partiis kuluarebSi uTxres,

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gadawyvetileba ramdenime

„nacionalTan” SeTanxmebiT miiRes.

imas veravin uaryofs, rom

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebi

opozicionerebTan farul

molaparakebebs awarmoeben. irakli

kobaxiZe haerze namdvilad

ar ambobda, rom opoziciidan

kidev bevri Sevidoda parlamentSi.

melias ambis mere es Seu-

Zlebeli iqneba, magram viRacebTan

SeTanxmeba miRweuli

iyo. maTTan situaciis dalagebas

piradad biZina ivaniSvili

cdilobda. amisTvis ki erT

bobola „nacionals” iyenebda.

parlamentSi opoziciis Sesvlas

yvelaze aqtiurad nika melia

ewinaaRmdegeboda. is mTavari

opoziciuri partiis lideria

da bunebrivia, rom mis sityvas

sxva fasi aqvs. nika melia

mzad iyo, partiidan gaericxa is

ramdenime „nacionali”, romelic

parlamentSi Sesvlis survils

gamoxatavda. am da sxva

mizezebis gamo melias partia-

Sic hyavs mowinaaRmdegeebi.

is Tavmjdomared cota xnis

win, partiis Tavmjdomareobidan

grigol vaSaZis gaparvis

Semdeg airCies. rogorc amboben,

parlamentSi Sesvlis

survili am adamiansac hqonda.

partiis Tavmjdomaris posti

sxva mizeziT datova da amis

gamo „nacionalebi” madlierni

unda iyvnen. misi wasvlidan

Zalian male gairkva, rom nino

ananiaSvils novosibirskis baletisa

da operis TeatrTan

hqonda kontraqti gaformebuli,

sadac mas samxatvro xelmZRvanelad

unda emuSava. ananiaSvilTan

kontraqti rusebma

dekemberSi gaaformes, molaparakebebi

ki erTi wlis win,

2020 wlis TebervalSi daiwyo.

novosibirskis Teatris xelmZRvanelma

ananiaSvils mosTxova,

rom is iqneboda rusi balerina.

am moTxovnas ananiaSvilis

meuRle grigol vaSaZec daeTanxma,

romelic mTavari opoziciuri

partiis Tavmjdomare

iyo da sxvebTan erTad „qarTul

ocnebas” prorusulobis

gamo gmobda, am dros ki rusebTan

farul molaparakebebSi

imyofeboda.

„nacionalur moZraobaSi”

melias Tavmjdomared arCeva

bevrs ar gaexarda. viRacebs

masze boRma hqondaT Cadebuli.

arCevnebis win melia daimuqra,

`dagiWamiaT erTmaneTi!~

_ biZina ivaniSvilis

gzavnili `ocnebas~

rom partias datovebda, Tu

konkretuli pirovneba maTi ma-

Joritarobis kandidati iqneboda.

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

axalma Tavmjdomarem daamtkica,

rom misi marTva da dayolieba

advili ar aris. es miuRebeli

aRmoCnda rogorc

„qarTuli ocnebisTvis”, aseve

`irakli kobaxiZem da mamuka mdinaraZem

gaxarias ramdenime kviris win mosTxoves

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maT uSveri sityvebiT agina da amis Semdeg

`qarTuli ocnebisa~ da misi politsabWos

sxdomebs aRarc daswrebia. savaraudod, am

ginebiT yurmoWrilma kobaxiZem moiTxova

serialebSi ginebis akrZalva~

ramdenime bobola „nacionalisTvis”.

hoda, farulad SeTanxmdnen,

rom saukeTeso gamosavali

melias patimroba iyo.

es idea biZina ivaniSvilsac

moewona da man daartya saqmes

beWedi, kobaxiZem da mdinaraZem

ki gaaxmovanes. verc isini da

verc ivaniSvili ver warmoidgendnen,

rom melia „nacmoZraobis”

ofisSi gamagrdeboda da

mis dasacavad mTeli opozicia

iq mividoda.

sasamarTlom gadawyvetilebis

gamocxadeba daagviana. sasamarTlo

procesi pirdapiri

eTeriT gadaicemoda da yvela

atyobda, rom mosamarTles dro

gahyavda. am dros viRacebi da,

maT Soris, amerikis elCi keli

degnani biZina ivaniSvilTan

dakavSirebas cdilobdnen. aqtiurobda

saqarTveloSi aSS-is

yofili elCi ian keli. ivaniSvilis

nebarTvis gareSe meliasTvis

winaswar dawerili ganaCeni

ver Seicvleboda. „ocnebis”

SemqmnelTan dakavSireba ver

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kalaZe giorgi gaxarias?

moxerxda da mosamarTlem karga

xniT adre dawerili ganaCeni

gaaxmovana. Sss melias dakavebis

operaciisTvis moemzada,

romelic „nacmoZraobis” ofis-

Si unda Catarebuliyo. im

ofisze apirebdnen Sturmis mitanas,

sadac aseulobiT adamiani

iyo Tavmoyrili.

am operacias mxolod erTi

mowinaaRmdege gamouCnda _

giorgi gaxaria. is amaod cdilobda

Tanapartielebis darwmunebas,

rom amis gakeTeba ar

SeiZleboda. misma gadadgomam

„ocnebis” gegmebi CaSala. Sss-m

gancxadeba gaavrcela, rom melias

dakaveba premieris gadadgomis

gamo gadaido. gegmebi

ramdenime „nacionalsac” CaeSala.

maT melia araTu partiidan

ver moiSores, aramed misi saxiT

erTiani opoziciis lideri

miiRes.

gaxarias siurprizi

„qarTuli ocneba”, albaT,

karga xans ver gamova im Sokidan,

romelic man giorgi gaxarias

gadawyvetilebis Semdeg

miiRo. irakli kobaxiZe, mamuka

mdinaraZe da kaxa kalaZe amis

gamo srul isterikaSi arian.

arada, bolo Tveebis manZilze

yvelafers akeTebdnen imisTvis,

rom es adamiani premierobidan

CamoegdoT. am postis dakaveba

irakli kobaxiZes, jer kidev,

arCevnebamde surda.

irakli kobaxiZem da mamuka

mdinaraZem gaxarias ramdenime

kviris win mosTxoves Tanamdebobis

datoveba. yofilma premierma

maT uSveri sityvebiT

agina da amis Semdeg „qarTuli

ocnebisa” da misi politsabWos

sxdomebs aRarc daswrebia. savaraudod,

am ginebiT yurmoWrilma

kobaxiZem moiTxova serialebSi

ginebis akrZalva.

gaxarias gadadgoma rom Seqmnil

situaciaSi swori gadawyvetileba

iyo, amas Cveni dasavleli

partniorebi erTxmad

aRniSnaven. amaze saubrobs opozicia.

gaxarias selfis laiqebi

ki, romelmac „ocneba” srul isterikaSi

Caagdo, imaze metyvelebs,

rom eqspremierma sazogadoebaSic

didi mowoneba daimsaxura.

sozar subars rom hkiTxo,

giorgi gaxariam Tavisi gadadgomiT

wyals gaatana is

ndoba, rac mas hqonda. yofili

premieris gadawyvetilebaze yvelaze

adekvaturi reaqcia mainc

kaxa kalaZes hqonda. man gaxarias

gaweuli muSaobisTvis

madloba gadauxada, sxvebma ki

aiSves da Tavadac ar ician, ras

amboben. ramdenime meocnebem 20

ivnisis sisxliani Ramec gaixsena.

20 ivnisis sisxliani Rame gaxarias

Tavze damokles maxviliviT

kidia. 2019 wels am darbevas

mTeli „ocneba” taSs ukravda,

magram roca gaxarias moSoreba

moindomes, swored am

`ivaniSvils gaugzavnes sia. siaSi kandidatebi ase iyvnen warmodgenilni: irakli

kobaxiZe, kaxa kalaZe, Tea wulukiani, maia cqitiSvili ekaterine tikaraZe da

irakli RaribaSvili. ivaniSvilisgan aseTi pasuxi miiRes, premieri is iqneba,

romelic siaSi boloao, - gviyveba Cveni wyaro. am pasuxma irakli kobaxiZe

srul isterikaSi Caagdo. RaribaSvilis premierad dasaxeleba misTvis sruli

Soki iyo da ara mxolod imitom, rom is eloda premierobas. kobaxiZesa da

kalaZes RaribaSvilTan seriozuli uTanxmoeba aqvT~

specoperaciis gamo moiTxoves

misi Ss ministrobidan gadadgoma.

es 2019 wlis ivlisSi moxda.

„qarTuli ocnebis” daxurul

Sexvedraze ramdenime meocnebe

daJinebiT iTxovda, gaxaria

unda gadadgeso. mis gadadgomas

maSindeli premieri mamuka

baxtaZec uWerda mxars. 7 wuTiT

adre, sanam rusTavelze darbeva

daiwyeboda, mamuka baxtaZem

sagangebo gancxadeba gaakeTa.

man Tqva, „qarTuli ocneba” araa

is xelisufleba, romelic sakuTar

xalxs rezinis tyviebs

dauSenso. gancxadebidan ramdenime

wuTSi momitingeebs daTvebze

sanadiro tyviebi dauSines.

isic cnobilia ambavia, rom

rusTavelze srola maSin daiwyo,

roca iq anzor CubiniZe

mivida, romelic manamde biZina

ivaniSvilTan imyofeboda da

misgan iRebda instruqciebs.

srolis dawyebis brZanebis

gacema sakuTar Tavze giorgi

gaxariam aiRo. wesiT, mas unda

gaeca es brZaneba, radgan Ss

ministri iyo. darbevis Semdeg

is gamudmebiT ambobda, rom man

gasca brZaneba, magram roca

„ocnebaSi” mavanma misi gadadgoma

moiTxova, maSin gadaeketa

da yvelas daemuqra, rom

`partia rame SarSi rom ar gaexvia da

kobaxiZe odnav damSvidebuliyo, arCil

TalakvaZem misi ordeniT dajildoeba

gadawyvita. es ordeni partiis Tavmjdomares,

albaT, odnav eama, magram is RaribaSvilis

premierobas ar Seegueba~

ityoda, Tu vin gasca srolis

dawyebis brZaneba. amis gakeTeba

mas axlac SeuZlia. misi fotos

laiqebiT gagiJebuli „ocnebis”

wevrebi 20 ivnisis xsenebas

Tavs Tu ar daanebeben, gaxarias

mouwevs saintereso detalebis

gaxseneba, rac mmarTveli

partiisTvis aranaklebi

dartyma iqneba, vidre misi gadadgoma.

20 ivnisis sisxlian Rameze

Tu vinmem unda agos pasuxi, es

irakli kobaxiZea. is uWaxunebda

miRebaze sergei gavrilovs

Wiqas Wiqaze. sazeimo miRebis

meore dRes rusi komunisti,

romelsac afxazeTisa da cxinvalis

aRiarebisTvis xma aqvs

micemuli, spikeris savarZelSi

moTavsda da saqarTvelos parlamentSi

sxdomis wayvana scada.

amas seriozuli protesti

mohyva. irakli kobaxiZe im momentSi

jer kidev parlamentis

Tavmjdomare iyo. quCaSi gamosuli

xalxi mis gadadgomas iTxovda.

gadadgoma situacias ganmuxtavda

da rusTavelze sisxli

aRar daiRvreboda. kobaxiZe

baqoSi gafrinda. iqidan samTavrobo

televiziebs CaerTo da

ganacxada, rom Tanamdebobidan

ar gadadgeboda. aman viTareba

kidev ufro gaamwvava da yvelaferi

sisxlisRvriT da darbeviT

dasrulda.

darbevam protesti kidev

ufro gaamZafra. maSin biZina

ivaniSvilma daureka kobaxiZes

da mosTxova, saswrafod dabrunebuliyo

TbilisSi da gadadgomis

Sesaxeb gancxadeba gaekeTebina.

TbilisSi dabrunebuli

kobaxiZe partiis ofisSi

mivida, erT-erT oTaxSi Caiketa

da ambobda, ar gadavdgebio.

ivaniSvilis davalebiT, kobaxiZis

gadadgomis Sesaxeb gancxadeba

kaxa kalaZem gaakeTa.

axla mTeli „qocneba” imas

fiqrobs, Tu ras moimoqmedebs

giorgi gaxaria. zogierTi imasac

SiSobs, rom man SesaZloa,

axali partiac ki Seqmnas. zogierTi

ar gamoricxavs, rom es

wasvla ivaniSvilTan aris SeTanxmebuli.

mokled rom vTqvaT,

seriozulad arian gamwarebulebi.

kobaxiZis koSmari

irakli kobaxiZes premieris

postis dakaveba rom surda,

amis Sesaxeb partiaSi jer kidev

arCevnebamde laparakobdnen.

raRac periodi imazec midioda

saubari, rom is kvlav parlamentis

spikeris posts daikavebda.

amaze arCil TalakvaZes gadaeketa

da daimuqra, rom partias

datovebda da raRacebs

moyveboda. ase gaxda arCil TalakvaZe

meored saqarTvelos

parlamentis spikeri. kobaxiZe

ki kvlav premierobaze fiqrSi

aTenebda Rameebs.

mas es survili verc ivaniSvilis

nawyalobevma partiis

Tavmjdomaris postma gauqro.

am Tanamdebobaze kaxa kalaZis

kandidaturac ganixileboda.

sabolood arCevani mainc naspikeralze

SeCerda. kalaZe da kobaxiZe

TiTqos erT gunds warmoadgenen,

magram maT Sorisac

aris konkurencia. roca gadawyda,

rom partiis Tavmjdomare

premierobaze meocnebe iqneboda,

man gadawyvita, Tbilisis

meri generaluri mdivnis postidan

moeSorebina. iTqva, rom

genmdivnis posti gauqmdeboda.

amis sapasuxod kalaZem Tqva,

rom is partias datovebda. ase

SeinarCuna man generaluri mdivnis

Tanamdeboba. rac Seexeba

kobaxiZes, partiis Tavmjdomareobam

mas sapremiero ambiciebi

kidev ufro gauzarda da gaxariasTvis

Ziris gamoTxra aqtiurad

daiwyo.

gagrZeleba me-19 gv.

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janmrTelobas, sicocxles

an, saerTod, qveyanaSi

qmnis politikuri eskalaciis

SesaZleblobas, aris miuRebeli”,

_ ganacxada gaxariam.

mas Semdeg, rac gaxariam premieris

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irakli kobaxiZem premierministrobis

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brundeba. is ukve erTxel ikavebda

am Tanamdebobas da ukiduresi

sixistiTa da konfrontaciulobiT

dagvamaxsovra Tavi. wlebia,

RaribaSvili mTavar opoziciur

partias „radarebidan gaqrobiT”

emuqreba da metic: igi acxadebda,

rom „nacionaluri moZraoba”

saerTod unda gauqmebuliyo.

saxelmwifoebrivad

ra

datvirTva hqonda gaxarias mou-

lodnel gadawyvetilebas? ras

niSnavs RaribaSvilis dabruneba

premieris postze? ra mocemulo-

bis winaSe dgas opozicia?

aRniSnuli Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+~ politolog gia xux-

aSvils esaubra:

_ bolo periodSi xSirad gves-

moda, rom gaxaria Tanamdebobas

tovebda. man am nabijis gadasa-

dgmelad politikurad yvelaze

Sesaferisi dro moZebna. ra mo-

tivi dainaxeT mis am qmedebaSi?

_ motivebi da, maT Soris, pragmatuli

gaTvlebi SeiZleba bevri

iyos. ar vfiqrob, rom Cven axla

amaze unda visaubroT. saerTod,

politika ar aris is sfero, sadac

unda gvqondes imis gancda, rom

politikosebi angelozebiviT mxolod

moralur gadawyvetilebebs

miiReben. SesaZloa, gaxarias

am gadawyvetilebaSi bevri mizezi

iyos, maT Soris, racionaluri komponentic,

magram mTavaria is,

rom es iyo qarTuli saxelmwifos

saxeliT swori gadawyvetileba,

raTa daezRvia qveyana Zalian seriozuli

eskalaciisgan da man es

gaakeTa swori aqcentebiT. sxvaTa

Soris, arc zurab Jvania iyo angelozi,

isic politikosi gaxldaT

da qarTul sazogadoebas mas-

Tanac bevri pretenzia hqonda, magram

saWiro momentSi man analogiuri

nabiji gadadga da aCvena ma-

Rali politikuri klasi. igive

gaakeTa dRes gaxariam. maRali

politikuri klasi ki niSnavs imas,

rom es aris politikosis imgvari

qmedeba, rasac dramatul ganvi-

TarebaSi garkveuli pozitiuri

koreqtivebi Seaqvs, rac am SemTxvevaSi

ganxorcielda. SeiZleba,

bevri visaubroT imaze, rom gaxariam

am nabijiT Tavi gadairCina,

magram ar mgonia, amaze saubari da

amiT misi am qmedebis daknineba

swori iyos. opoziciamac unda

daafasos misi es qmedeba. es ar ni-

Snavs, rom Tu rame kiTxvebi gvaqvs

masTan, aRar unda davsvaT da

yvelaferi unda CamovweroT, magram

opoziciam es nabiji unda

daafasos. rom ara gaxarias es

gadawyvetileba, dRes qveyana Sei-

Zleba, absoluturad sxva realobaSi

yofiliyo. Cven vxedavdiT

rogorc viTardeboda movlenebi,

gaxarias gadadgomam ki SeaCera

movlenebis SesaZlo Zalian dramatuli

ganviTareba. cxeli Tavebi

cotaTi mainc gaagrila da

qveyanam miiRo pauza, roca Sansi

gvaqvs, davfiqrdeT da ufskrul-

Si ar gadaviCexoT. ase rom, gaxarias

am konkretul qmedebas mxolod

pozitiurad Sevxedavdi da

mis am nabijs Sevafaseb, rogorc

Zalian iSviaT, maRali klasis

politikur qmedebad.

_ gaxariam Tanamdebobidan

gadadgomis mizezad nika melias

dapatimrebis sakiTxi daasaxela

da ganacxada, rom massa da

mmarTveli gundis sxva warmomad-

genlebs Soris am Temaze azrTa

sxvadasxvaoba iyo. premierma misi

am gancxadebiT aRiara, rom

politikuri marTlmsajulebaa?

_ ra Tqma unda, es Zalian mniSvnelovania,

Tumca isedac viciT,

rom CvenTan politikuri marTlmsajulebaa,

rom, samwuxarod, adamianebis

dapatimrebasa da maT

politikur devnaSi marTlmsajuleba,

rogorc instrumenti, ise

gamoiyeneba. premierma es aqcentebi

daayena. es is Temaa, romelic

CvenTvis isedac cnobilia, magram

premier-ministris piriT naTqvami

Zalian sayuradReboa, maT Soris,

urwmuno TomebisTvis Cvens ucxoel

partniorebSi, rom raRac

arajansaRi xdeba qveyanaSi. ase

rom, misi es nabiji amitom aris

Zalian mniSvnelovani momavali

ganviTarebisTvis.

_ „qronika+~-sTan „kar-

tografebis saqmeze” saubrisas

aRniSneT, rom giorgi gaxariam

swori pozicia daikava da aseve

ganacxadeT, rom mmarTvel gund-

Si raRac jgufi rusul TamaSs

TamaSobda. axla, roca gaxaria

gadadga da premierobis kandi-

datad irakli RaribaSvili

dasaxelda, xom ar fiqrobT, rom

swored im jgufis, romelic

ruseTis interesebis sasargeblod

moqmedebda, mTavari war-

momadgeneli brundeba premieris

xmamaRla apelirebs imaze, rom vi-

Racam qarTuli miwa gayida, konteqstSi

TavisTavad moiazreba,

rom viRacam iyida, anu ukanonod

SeiZina. faqtobrivad, es aris iribi

braldeba azerbaijanis misamar-

TiT, rom maT viRacas gadauxades

raRaca da ukanonod iyides qarTuli

miwebi, rac strategiuli

partniorisa da, SeiZleba iTqvas,

regionSi Cveni mTavari megobris

misamarTiT Zalian mZime braldebaa.

Cven azerbaijanTan erTad

gvaqvs erTini geopolitikuri, satranzito

funqcia, azerbaijanis

gareSe, ubralod, funqcias vkargavT.

rodesac isteriuli toniT

aseTi ritorika iwyeba, miuxedavad

imisa, xelisufleba TanamSromlobs

Tu ara ruseTTan, bunebrivia,

es Sedis ruseTis interesSi.

amas akeTeben sibriyviT, Segnebulad

Tu Seugneblad, ra mniSvneloba

aqvs? _ Sedegi erTia. roca xelisuflebaSi

xar, sibriyve aranaklebi

danaSaulia, vidre Segnebuli

angaJireba mtris mxridan. ra

mniSvneloba aqvs, sibriyviT daazianeb

saxelmwifo interess Tu

Segnebulad? _ Sedegi erTi da igivea.

Cven vxedavT socialur

qselebsa da sxvadasxva jgufSi

maSin rogori narativi iqmneboda,

rom azerbaijani aris okupanti,

anu nel-nela xdeboda „ruseTi

okupantias” gzavnilis Canacvleba

„azerbaijani okupantiaTi”. aseve

ismoda mowodebebi, rom „sokar-

Si” sawvavi ar CavasxaT da a. S.

Zalian seriozulad muSaobdnen

amaze. amis paralelurad ki ambobdnen:

„naxeT, ra kargia erTmorwmune

ruseTi, rukebi mogvca

imis dasadastureblad, rom gareji

Cvenia”. anu ruseTi kargia da

azerbaijani cudia, _ es narativi

gasdevda laitmotivad mTel am

istorias. Tu rame gamosaZiebelia,

unda gamoiZion, magram ratom iyeneben

amas propagandad? am propagandis

Sedegi aris is, razedac

visaubreT. Sesabamisad, Segnebulad

gaatarebs vinme ruseTis interesebs

saqarTveloSi Tu sibriyviT

gaakeTebs amas, CemTvis mniSvneloba

aRar aqvs, radgan orive

SemTxvevaSi es aris danaSauli!

_ Tqven razedac axla isaubgia

xuxaSvili:

`eseni axla arian

Cveni pacientebi,

romlebsac

SeuZliaT oTaxSi

yvelafris dalewva

da amis saSualeba

ar unda mivceT~

postze?

_ saTqmels cota ufro Sevarbileb:

„rusul TamaSs Tama-

Sobs da ruseTis agentebi arian”,

_ am terminologiiT ar msurs

saubari, magram faqtia, rom arsebobs

es jgufi, romlis nabijebic

xSirad, garkveulwilad, xels uwyobs

rusuli narativis Semotanas

Cvens cxovrebaSi da, Sesabamisad,

sasargebloa ruseTisTvis. es keTdeba

ruseTTan SeTanxmebiT Tu

Sinagani ganwyobiTa da monaTesave

grZnobiT _ sxva sakiTxia. igive

gavrilovze, miuxedavad imisa,

„qarTuli ocneba” gavrilovTan

TanamSromlobs Tu ara, urTier-

Toba aqvs/ar aqvs, gabutulia Tu

gabrazebulia masze, vxedavT, rom

melias mimarT „qarTuli ocnebisa”

da gavrilovis ritorika erTi

erTze emTxveva erTmaneTs. Sesabamisad,

Cven Tu aviRebT universalur

princips, „Cemi mtris

mteri Cemi megobaria”, SeiZleba

gavrilovi da „qarTuli ocneba”

ar megobroben da erTmaneTSi ar

ixilaven sakiTxebs, magram maT

radgan saerTo mteri hyavT melias

saxiT, rac TavisTavad sasaciloa,

Sesabamisad, isini bunebrivi

mokavSireebi gamodian. igivea,

rodesac garejis Temaze vsaubrobT.

samarTlebriv nawilSi ar

Seval, gamoZieba mimdinareobs da

Tu ramea gamosaZiebeli, gamoiZion.

arc imis momxre var, rom

iveri melaSvili gmirad Seracxon,

magram arc imaze var Tanaxma,

rom moRalated gamoacxadon.

vfiqrob, orive es ganwyoba politikuria

da aranairi kavSiri ar

aqvs realobasTan. is Cveulebrivi

adamiania, romelic Tavis movaleobas

asrulebda. mTavari Tema arc

gaxlavT es, vin aris iveri melaSvili.

am SemTxvevaSi mTavaria is,

rom rodesac xelisufleba ase

`e. i. mas ar hyavs aravin da atrialebs am

RaribaSvilsa da viRacebs. kontrolis

TvalsazrisiT, biZina ivaniSvili ar wasula. is

marTvas CamoSorda. me ar mgonia, rom is

qveyanas marTavs, magram is akontrolebs

xelisuflebas. strategiuli, msxvili

gadawyvetilebebi miiReba misi kontrolis qveS.

dRes Seiqmna mocemuloba, rodesac

magarbiWobanas moTamaSeebma qarTul

saxelmwifoebriobasTan brZolaSi gaimarjves,

anu mTavari gaxda `yvelas moverioT, xelebi

gadavugrixoT, daviWiroT~, - am sagiJeTSi

arian SigniT~

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ivaniSvilis piradi tragediaa~

reT, mTeli am propagandis mTa-

vari warmomadgeneli swored

RaribaSvili iyo. am procesebis

Semdeg raze metyvelebs premieris

postze RaribaSvilis dab-

runeba?

_ pirvel rigSi, RaribaSvilis

dabruneba ivaniSvilis piradi

tragediaa. e. i. mas ar hyavs aravin

da atrialebs am RaribaSvilsa da

viRacebs. kontrolis TvalsazrisiT,

biZina ivaniSvili ar wasula.

is marTvas CamoSorda. me ar

mgonia, rom is qveyanas marTavs,

magram is akontrolebs xelisuflebas.

strategiuli, msxvili

gadawyvetilebebi miiReba misi

kontrolis qveS. dRes Seiqmna

mocemuloba, rodesac magarbi-

Wobanas moTamaSeebma qarTul saxelmwifoebriobasTan

brZolaSi

gaimarjves, anu mTavari gaxda

„yvelas moverioT, xelebi gadavugrixoT,

daviWiroT”, _ am sagiJeT-

Si arian SigniT. dRes xelisufleba

afeqtur mdgomareobaSia, mis-

Tvis yvelaze mTavari SiSia, vinmem

ar dainaxos misi Sinagani

sisuste da amitom mudmivad Setevaze

gadadis. maT am paranoidul

ganwyobas yvelaze kargad gamoxatavs

RaribaSvili. misi damokidebuleba

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

mimarT, CemTvis da CemisTana adamianebisTvis,

Zalian yalbi Temaa,

es aris ritorika, Torem Cemi da

Cemi megobrebis, aseve Zalian bevri

adamianis Tavze marTla wisqvilis

qva trialebda. realurad, vebrZodiT

reJims da safrTxis qveS

viyaviT, maSin RaribaSvili da mTeli

es qorebis gundi, romelic

viTom Zalian magari biWebi da „nacionalur

moZraobasTan” mebrZolebi

arian, buCqebSi isxdnen

da pirad Wias axarebdnen, erTi xma

ar amouRiaT. axla gaxdnen mTavari

mebrZolebi xelisuflebis

saxeliT opoziciasTan, es xom,

TavisTavad, Zalian sasaciloa.

maT mciredic ki ar gauriskavT

Tavis droze, metic: arCil TalakvaZe,

ramdenadac vici, mTlad

sandra rulovsis yavis momduRebeli

iyo. es xalxi axla Cven gveubneba,

rom „nacionaluri moZraoba”

unda daamTavron da Tan xelisuflebis

poziciidan gvelaparakebian,

maT sakuTari Tavs imedi

ki ar aqvT, axla policia, jari

hyavT da sxvis xarjze magari biWebi

arian. roca realurad es sarisko

iyo, maSin mSvenivrad isxdnen

buCqebSi. am xalxTan gvaqvs

saqme. aseTi Sinaganad susti da

uprincipo adamianebi, ra Tqma

unda, Zalian saxifaToni arian

qveynis marTvaSi, Tumca isini finiSis

sworze gavidnen, amitom

axla Zalian dramatizebasac ar

daviwyeb, radgan xelisuflebam

legitimacia ukve dakarga. „qarTuli

ocnebis” amomrCeveli am

arCevnebze or personas aZlevda

xmas: eseni gaxldnen biZina ivaniSvili

da giorgi gaxaria. danarCenis

politikuri wona iyo nulTan

axlos, maT Soris, bevris saerTod

minusebSi iyo gasuli, ubralod

„qarTuli ocnebis” amomrCevlebsac

ejavrebodaT es xalxi. „qarTuli

ocnebis” mxardamWerebi ki

aseTi mocemulobis winaSe dadgnen,

rodesac arc erTi is ar aris

`qarTuli ocnebis~ amomrCeveli am arCevnebze or personas aZlevda xmas:

eseni gaxldnen biZina ivaniSvili da giorgi gaxaria. danarCenis

politikuri wona iyo nulTan axlos, maT Soris, bevris saerTod minusebSi

iyo gasuli, ubralod `qarTuli ocnebis~ amomrCevlebsac ejavrebodaT es

xalxi. `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWerebi ki aseTi mocemulobis winaSe

dadgnen, rodesac arc erTi is ar aris warmodgenili, visac maT xma misces,

am xalxs ar unda kobaxiZisa da RaribaSvilis qveyanaSi cxovreba~

warmodgenili, visac maT xma misces,

am xalxs ar unda kobaxiZisa

da RaribaSvilis qveyanaSi cxovreba.

xelisuflebam dRevandeli

SemadgenlobiT sruliad

dakarga legitimacia. Sesabamisad,

mxolod eleqtoraluri problema

ki ar aqvT, sistemaSi aqvT problema,

radgan sistema (sajaro seqtori

da Zalovani struqturebi)

rom iyos stabiluri, mas

sWirdeba avtoritetebi, sistema-

Si ki avtoritetebi aRar arian.

damerwmuneT, sistemisTvis ar

aris avtoriteti arc kobaxiZe da

arc RaribaSvili, Sesabamisad,

sistemis korozia daiwyo. rodesac

sistemas eWvebi uCndeba, maSin

mTavrdeba xelisufleba. ase iyo

2012 welsac, rodesac vano merabiSvili

CamoaSores Sinagan saqme-

Ta saministros da iq daniSnes

axalaia, Sinagan saqmeTa saministros

CamoSla daiwyo. es maSin

Cveni gamarjvebis erT-erTi faqtori

gaxda, radgan sistema rogorc

ki ryevas iwyebs, iq mTavrdeba

nebismieri xelisufleba.

_ vrclad visaubreT imaze, Tu

rogori ritorika aqvT „naciona-

luri moZraobis” mimarT, maT

Soris, yvelasTvis cnobilia, Rar-

ibaSvilis pozicia: is mudmivad

emuqreba, „nacionalur moZraobas”,

rogorc TviTon ambobs, radare-

bidan gaqrobiT, Tumca wlebia, es

sityvebi sityvebad rCeba. mas Semdeg,

rac is premieris Tanamdebobas

daikavebs, nika melias daW-

eris albaToba gaizrdeba, anu

gariskaven am nabijis gadadgmas?

_ es xelisufleba axla afeq-

`sxvaTa Soris, arc zurab Jvania iyo angelozi,

isic politikosi gaxldaT da qarTul

sazogadoebas masTanac bevri pretenzia hqonda,

magram saWiro momentSi man analogiuri nabiji

gadadga da aCvena maRali politikuri klasi.

igive gaakeTa dRes gaxariam. maRali

politikuri klasi ki niSnavs imas, rom es

aris politikosis imgvari qmedeba, rasac

dramatul ganviTarebaSi garkveuli

pozitiuri koreqtivebi Seaqvs, rac am

SemTxvevaSi ganxorcielda~

tur mdgomareobaSia. misTvis mTavari

SiSia Sinagani sisustis gadafarva.

es unda gaakeTon kunTebis

TamaSiT, radgan sxva gza TviTon

moiWres, anu magarbiWobana unda

iTamaSon bolomde, Sesabamisad,

nebismier sisuleleze xelis momwerebi

arian, magram miuxedavad

imisa, Seecdebian da SeZleben Tu

ara melias daWeras, es maT aRar

uSvelis, radgan aRar arsebobs

scenari, romliTac es xelisufleba

4 weli gaZlebs. Cven vfiqrobT

qarTul saxelmwifoze da

unda SevecadoT, es gza gaviaroT

minimaluri saxelmwifoebrivi

zianiT. Sesabamisad, unda SevecadoT

am xalxis (mmarTveli gundi)

cota dawynarebas: Tu samkurnaloebi

arian vumkuraloT, cota

moveferoT, rom kidev uaresi

sigiJeebi ar Caidinon. aseTi mocemulobaa,

TviTon imaT Tu ar

SeuZliaT sakuTari Tavis xelSi

ayvana, Cven unda davexmaroT

cota Wkuaze mosvlaSi. eseni axla

arian Cveni pacientebi, romlebsac

SeuZliaT oTaxSi yvelafris dalewva

da amis saSualeba ar unda

mivceT. amitom, opozicias vurCevdi,

xelisuflebas Zalismier scenarze

ar gahyves. am xelisuflebas

erTaderTi Sansi aqvs, rom opozicia

aiyolios kunTebis Tama-

SSi, opozicia am TamaSSi ar unda

ahyves. ra Tqma unda, opozicia

unda iyos principuli, magram xelisuflebas

ar unda gahyves

quCis Zalismier TamaSebSi, am

TamaSis wesebiT ar unda iTamaSos.

Cven 2011-12 wlebSi ar gavyeviT am

tipis TamaSSi xelisuflebas. miSa

saakaSvilisgan iribi SemoTavazeba

iyo, rom „modi, aba, quCaSi vin

ufro magaria, vnaxoT”, maSin roca

mis mxares iyo mTeli Zalovani

sistema, specrazmi da a. S. SiSveli

xelebiT xelisuflebasTan

Zalismier brZolas yovelTvis

waageb, gailaxebi. Sesabamisad,

radgan Cven am irib SemoTavazebaze

ar gavyeviT, didi aqciebi imarTeboda,

magram yvelaferi iyo

Zalian mSvidobiani da arasdros

fizikur dapirispirebaSi ar SevsulvarT.

xelisuflebas axlac ar

unda mivceT es Sansi da damerwmuneT,

TviTon CamoiSleba Zalian

male.

_ saxelisuflebo mediidan im

dRes, roca gaxaria gadadga, mTa-

vari gzavnili ismoda, rom

TiTqos „nacionalur moZraobas”

premieris gadadgomiT poli-

tikuri Sou CaeSala. is Sou,

romelsac, propagandistuli me-

diis TqmiT, opozicia melias

daWeris SemTxvevaSi gegmavda.

metic: im dRes, roca melias sasamarTlo

imarTeboda, telekompania

„imeds” hedlaini hqonda: „me-

lias dasasruli”, _ raze metyve-

lebs es yvelaferi?

_ „imedi” ukve katastrofaa!

igive wina reJimis dros, pirdapir

xelisuflebis propagandad muSaobda

„rusTavi 2" da „imedic” mas

Semdeg, rac badri patarkaciSvils

waarTves es televizia... magram is,

rasac dRes Cven vuyurebT, msgavsi

arasdros yofila. rogorc xelisuflebam

ganicada sterilizacia,

aseTi steriluri gaxda „imedi”.

es aris CrdiloeT koreis

saxelmwifo televizia.

_ Tqven opozicias urCieT,

rom ar ayves kunTebis TamaSsa da

Zalismier brZolaSi xelisufle-

bas. dRevandeli mocemulobiT

aqvs Tu ara opozicias imis

resursi, rom es moaxerxos?

_ imedi maqvs, rom yvelaferi

swori gziT ganviTardeba. gaxarias

am nabijs kidev erTi didi

mniSvneloba hqonda: dasavleTi

nela iwyebs xolme reagirebas,

magram amis Semdeg dasavleTi xelisuflebis

mimarT sruliad

gaucxovdeba, amas uaxloes periodSi

davinaxavT. miT umetes, es

gaucxoeba aSkara iqneba RaribaSvilis

premierad arCevis Semdeg.

Sesabamisad, axla siCqare, rom

saaTebSi gadawydes sakiTxi, ar

iqneba swori. miT umetes, qarTuli

sazogadoebisa da opoziciis

amocana dRes aris riggareSe

arCevnebis miRweva, magram es

arCevnebi Cven xom igive sistemi-

Ta da saarCevno administraciiT

ar gvinda. riggareSe arCevnebi

gvinda Sesabamisi cvlilebebiT,

saarCevno kanonmdeblobaSi,

konkurentunarianobis amaRlebiT

da amas sWirdeba garkveuli sakanonmdeblo

procesi, rom es

cvlilebebi Sevides da mxolod

amis Semdeg Catardes arCevnebi da

ara axla, or kviraSi da isev marazmi

miviRoT. Sesabamisad, es

aris procesi, romelsac sWirdeba

swori da kargad gaazrebuli

marTva, rom ar viCqaroT da rac

mTavaria, arc davagvianoT. mTlad

2022 wlamde nu gadavdebT, magram

sakonstitucio farglebidan ar

unda gavideT. sakonstitucio

procesi ise unda warvmarToT,

rom erTxel da samudamod gadavlaxoT

es mankieri momentebi, rac

damaxasiaTebelia Cveni arCevnebisa

da mTlianad sistemisTvis. axla

aris amis saSualeba da sjobs, er-

Tad davgavoT es avgias Tavlebi,

raTa ukve SedarebiT sufTa, naklebad

aqoTebul garemoSi CavataroT

arCevnebi da miviRoT is,

rasac ityvis Cveni amomrCeveli.

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`RaribaSvilis gapremiereba represiuli

samTavrobo wyaroebidan naTe-

giorgi abaSiZe

li xdeba, rom „ocnebaSi” panikaa

_ isedac aWril situacias gior-

gi gaxarias moulodnelma gadadgomam bolo mouRo. Sesabamis-

ad, ivaniSvilis gundi, romelsac oligarqi TiTqos gaemijna,

axla iseT mdgomareobaSia, wyalwaRebuli xavss rom eWideba

xolme. am SemTxvevaSi „ocnebis” xavsi irakli RaribaSvilia, anu

rigiT „meocnebeebs” hgoniaT, rom RaribaSvili CasaZirad gan-

wirul partias napiramde mSvidobianad gaiyvans, magram Sida

klanuri omi iseT fazaSi Sedis, rom „ocnebas” RaribaSvili ki

ara, TviT politikis qurumebic veRar gadaarCenen!

amasobaSi, isic ar unda

dagvaviwydes, rom dasavleTma

mmarTveli partiis mimarT toni

gaamkacra, anu Tu gayalbebuli

31 oqtombris arCevnebis Semdeg

fasilitatori elCebi opozicias

erTgvar „naJims” ukeTebdnen, ginda

Tu ara, boikotze uari Tqvi

da parlamentSi Sedio, axla yvelaferi

sxvanairadaa _ msoflios

gavleniani moTamaSeebi xelisuflebas

mouwodeben, rom evroatlantikur

Rirebulebebs pativi

sces da viTarebis eskalacias

xeli ar Seuwyos.

erTi sityviT, qarTuli politikis

jokeri axla opozicias

aqvs. am mosazrebas iziarebs

erovnuli moZraobis ZirZveli

warmomadgeneli, „ilia WavWavaZis

sazogadoebis” lideri, Tamar

CxeiZec.

Cveni respondenti bolodroindeli

movlenebis Sefasebisas

ambobs, rom „ocnebis” yvela

wevris ukan erTi adamiani dgas da

igi _ arc meti, arc naklebi _

biZina ivaniSvilia.

ise, kargad Tu davakvirdebiT,

gaxarias gadadgomam da premierad

RaribaSvilis dasaxelebam,

marTlac, naTelyo, rom

ivaniSvilis politikidan meored

wasvla Cveulebrivi triuki iyo

da meti araferi.

„RaribaSvilis gapremiereba

reaqciul-represiuli politikis

gagrZelebis udavo survils

gamoxatavs. am survilis realizacias

SeiZleba, xeli SeuSalos

mxolod adekvaturma saer-

TaSoriso zewolam da sazogadoebis

protestma.

ise, bevrs egona, rom ivaniSvili

marTla wavida. me ki vfiqrob,

gamoCnda, vin marTavs qveyanas.

...melias daWeris gadadebasTan

dakavSirebiT rac moxda, udidesi

mniSvnelobisaa, magram gadadeba

xom ar niSnavs Sesaferisi momentis

dadgomamde gadadebas da

roca xalxis simravle aRar iqneba,

operaciis mere ganxorcielebas?

gaxariamac xom es Tqva, mx-

olod maSino, magram imedia, es

xelisuflebis realuri marcx-

ia”, _ acxadebs Tamar CxeiZe.

_ qalbatono Tamar, vidre

giorgi gaxarias gadadgomasa da

irakli RaribaSvilis „meored-

mosvlaze” visaubrebT, aseT

kiTxvas dagisvamT: nika melias

saqmis gacocxlebisTanave op-

oziciam saubari axal erovnul

moZraobaze daiwyo. Tqven, ro-

gorc erovnuli moZraobis ZirZ-

veli warmomadgeneli, ras fiqrobT,

Zveli da axali erovnu-

li moZraoba erTmaneTs ramiT

Tu hgavs? anu damoukidebel

saxelmwifoSi dRis wesrigSi

erovnuli moZraobis dawyebis

aucilebloba ratom dadga?

_ marTalia, dRes saqarTvelo

de iured damoukidebelia, magram

maSindel da axlandel erovnul

moZraobas Soris is paralelia,

rom TiTqmis igive problemebs

igive imperia gviqmnis, anu saSualebas

ar gvaZlevs, rom Cveni

damoukidebloba realuri iyos.

_ damisabuTeT, mowinaaRmde-

ge igive Zala, e. i., ruseTi

ratomaa? sxvaTa Soris, marTl-

morwmune „qocebis” logikiT,

nika melia damnaSavea, yovel

SemTxvevaSi, igi kanons ar emor-

Cileba, amitom unda daisajos da

aq ruseTi ra SuaSiao? metic: gia

volskim isic Tqva, gavrilovis

Tema ubadrukiao...

_ es volskisgan bunebrivi

poziciaa da arc SeiZleba, rom

gavrilovis Tema man sxvanairad

aRiqvas.

_ ratom ar SeiZleba?

_ volski Tavadaa im Zalis

warmomadgeneli, romelzedac

vsaubrobT!

_ mokled, ssrk-s dros

gasagebia, magram kremli axla

ratom gvebrZvis?

_ mizezi igivea _ ruseTs ar

surs da, baltiispireTisgan gansxvavebiT,

saqarTvelos dakargvas

jer kidev ver Seguebia. ise,

Tu Sansi miecema, cxadia, baltiispireTis

dabrunebasac Seecdeba,

Tumca amisTvis dRes ver

ibrZvis. aseve ver ibrZvis aRmosavleT

qveynebis dasabruneblad.

saqarTveloSi ki Tavisi realuri

Zalauflebis SenarCuneba ufro

metad „gauvida”. amitomac Tavis

araoficialur sazRvrebSi

saqarTvelos SenarCunebas cdilobs.

icis, rom dRes es SeuZlebelia,

magram cdilobs, aq Tavisi

gavlena ar dakargos.

_ gasagebia, rom „ocneba”

rusul narativebs atarebs, magram

2012-mde, 9 wlis ganmavlobaSi,

am qveynis saTaveSi pro-

dasavluri xelisufleba iyo.

„nacionalurma

moZraobam”

rusuli gavlenebis aRmofxvra

ratom ver SeZlo?

_ jer erTi, es ambavi ase martivad

ar xdeba. meorec, im azrisgan

Sors var, rom Tavidan

ruseTs imis erTgvari garantia

ar hqonda, ai, Cems gavlenebs „nacionalebis”

drosac Sevinar-

Cunebo. saerTod, iciT, ra xdeba?

Tamar CxeiZe:

`kobaxiZe

Zalian boroti

robotia!~

_ ra?

_ 2012 wlamde saqarTveloSi

xelisuflebebi ruseTisa da

dasavleTis erTgvari konsensusis

safuZvelze icvleboda

xolme da, bunebrivia, sxva SemTxvevaSi

romelime Zala xelisuflebaSi

ver movidoda. mokled,

ruseTs „nacionalebis” drosac,

albaT, Seuqmnes imis iluzia, rom

yvelaferi Zveleburad iqneboda,

magram mere movlenebi sxvanairad

ganviTarda: „nacionalurma

moZraobam” da, kerZod, saakaSvilma,

ruseTis qveSevrdomoba ar

moindoma da damoukidebeli

politikis warmoebas, aseve qveynis

Tanamedrove ganviTarebis

relsebze gadayvanas Seecada.

swored amis gamo ruseTma

saakaSvilis xelisuflebidan

CamoSorebis specoperaciis ganxorcieleba

daiwyo.

_ Tuki saqarTveloSi xelisuflebebi

ruseTisa da dasavle-

Tis konsensusis safuZvelze

icvlebodnen, es mocemuloba

2012 wels ratomRa dairRva?

_ ar vici, 2012 wels dasavleTs

ra pozicia hqonda, magram

ise Cans, rom xelisuflebis Secvlis

sawinaaRmdegod ar Careula,

anu SesaZloa, dasavleTmac miiCnia,

rom saqarTveloSi xelisuflebis

„ocnebiT” Secvla cuds

arafers moitanda.

_ anu dasavleTi maSin ivaniS-

vils uWerda mxars?

_ ar mgonia, rom ivaniSvilis

xelisuflebaSi mosvla dasavle-

Tis gadawyvetileba iyo. es ufro

ruseTis gadawyvetileba gaxl-

`asea Tu ise, ivaniSvili marTvis realur

berketebs mainc flobs da mxolod kobaxiZes

ki ara, danarCensac marTavs! ase rom ar iyos,

aba, riT xsniT, rom gaxariam ver SeZlo,

Tavisi gaetana? is premier-ministri iyo da

Tanamdebobrivad sruli ufleba hqonda,

gundis wevrebTan SeuTanxmeblad gadaewyvita,

Zaladobrivi aqcia unda ganxorcielebuliyo

Tu ara, magram es ver SeZlo da arCia,

pasuxismgebloba, romelic Tvalebis

daTxrasTan erTad daawveboda, aecilebina!~

daT, Tumca faqtia, rom amis gamo

arc dasavleTs gaugiJebia Tavi!

_ ise, bolo wuTamde e. w.

fasilitatori elCebi opozi-

cias parlamentSi Sesvlisken

mouwodebdnen da iseTi STabeWdileba

iqmneboda, rom diplomatiuri

korpusi TiTqos „ocneb-

is” wisqvilze asxamda wyals. amas

riT xsniT, qalbatono Tamar?

_ imiT, rom dRevandeli xelisufleba

dasavleTisTvis

maincdamainc misaRebi ar iyo.

_ amas ris safuZvelze am-

bobT?

_ es arCevnebamde periodSi

Zalian kargad gamoikveTa _ albaT,

gaxsovT, arCevnebamde ramdenime

TviT adre rogori gancxadebebic

keTdeboda, Tumca mere

es toni SedarebiT Seicvala.

_ ratom?

_ dasavleTma, rogorc Cans,

wina planze stabilurobis faqtori

daayena, anu „qocebis” xelisuflebam

misi darwmuneba Se-

Zlo, Cveni varianti sjobso.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ ai, stabiluroba ariso.

mokled, faqtia, rom dasavleTs

destabilizaciis SeeSinda,

Tumca isic faqtia, rom opozicias

pirdapir mxardaWeras ver

gamoucxadebda...

calkeul gamonaklisebs Tu ar

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politikis gagrZelebis survilia!~

CavTvliT, opoziciam boikotis,

rogorc Zalian seriozuli iaraRis,

gamoyeneba SeZlo _ parlamentSi

ar Sevida da raki es moxda,

dasavleTis poziciac gardauvlad

Seicvleba. sxvaTa Soris,

amis niSnebi ukve aris.

saerTod, dasavleTis faqtors

didi mniSvneloba aqvs, magram

es faqtoric, met-naklebad,

qveyanaSi mimdinare procesebzea

damokidebuli, anu winaaRmdegoba

ramdenad adekvaturia.

_ gaxarias gadadgomis Semdeg,

Tqveni azriT, politikuri jok-

eri vis xelSia _ „ocnebis” Tu

opoziciis?

_ jer vityvi, rom xelisufleba

mTlianad damarcxebulia,

Tumca aqeTken Zalian seriozuli

nabiji gadaidga. amitom Zal-

Ta wonasworobas, romelic

opoziciis mxaresaa gadaxrili,

SenarCuneba unda.

_ qalbatono Tamar, didi

politikuri gamocdileba gaqvT

da imis ar geSiniaT, rom dRes

qveyanaSi yvelaze mTavari poli-

tikuri figura irakli kobaxiZea

_ marTalia, igi premierobis kan-

didatad ar dasaxelda, magram

mmarTvel partias udgas saTave-

Si...

_ ar mgonia, rom irakli kobaxiZe

realuri mTavari piri iyos.

_ aba, mTavari piri vinaa?

_ mgonia, rom mTavari piri

mainc ivaniSvilia, kobaxiZe ki,

ubralod, Savi saqmeebis gasakeTeblad

hyavs gamoSvebuli.

_ neba momeciT, ar dageTanx-

moT da ai, ratom: erTi versiiT,

ivaniSvilis mTavari mizani

saakaSvilis politikidan gayvana

iyo, rac nawilobriv Ses-

rulebulia _ dRes yvelaze, ase

vTqvaT, moTxovnadi opozi-

cioneri nika meliaa...

_ ki batono...

_ amasTan, ar dagaviwydeT,

rom ivaniSvilma politikidan

wasvlis Sesaxeb ramdenime kviris

win sajarod ganacxada.

_ asea...

_ sxvaTa Soris, giorgi gax-

ariam Tanamdeboba ise datova,

rom ar uTqvams, gundis wevrad

vrCebio.

_ diax, ar uTqvams...

_ mokled, is, rac xdeba, iqneb,

ivaniSvilis scenari araa da yve-

laferi kobaxiZem dagegma?

_ is, rac mediiT vrceldeba,

vici, magram, simarTle giTxraT,

sakmarisi informacia ar maqvs,

rom darwmunebuli viyo, ivaniSvili

politikidan wasulia!

vfiqrob, ivaniSvili CrdilSi

ufro metad gadavida, vidre

aqamde iyo, Tumca Seqmnili situaciidan

gamomdinare, es CrdilSi

gadasvla mTlianad blefi araa.

_ anu?

_ ivaniSvili mTlianad wasasvlelad

ufro xelsayrel poziciaSi

dadga, anu Tu movlenebi

misTvis da ruseTisTvis araxelsayrelad

ganviTarda, maSin

mTlianad wava da iqidan wasvla,

sadac axlaa, ufro advili iqneba,

Tumca am poziciidan dabrunebac

gacilebiT iolia!

`ruseTs ar surs da, baltiispireTisgan gansxvavebiT, saqarTvelos dakargvas

jer kidev ver Seguebia. ise, Tu Sansi miecema, cxadia, baltiispireTis

dabrunebasac Seecdeba, Tumca amisTvis dRes ver ibrZvis. aseve ver ibrZvis

aRmosavleT qveynebis dasabruneblad. saqarTveloSi ki Tavisi realuri

Zalauflebis SenarCuneba ufro metad `gauvida~. amitomac Tavis

araoficialur sazRvrebSi saqarTvelos SenarCunebas cdilobs. icis, rom

dRes es SeuZlebelia, magram cdilobs, aq Tavisi gavlena ar dakargos~

erTi sityviT, asea Tu ise,

ivaniSvili marTvis realur berketebs

mainc flobs da mxolod

kobaxiZes ki ara, danarCensac mar-

Tavs!

ase rom ar iyos, aba, riT xsniT,

rom gaxariam ver SeZlo,

Tavisi gaetana? is premier-ministri

iyo da Tanamdebobrivad

sruli ufleba hqonda, gundis

wevrebTan SeuTanxmeblad gadaewyvita,

Zaladobrivi aqcia unda

ganxorcielebuliyo Tu ara, magram

es ver SeZlo da arCia, pasuxismgebloba,

romelic Tvalebis

daTxrasTan erTad daawveboda,

aecilebina!

mokled, raxan darwmunda, rom

yvelaferi es misTvis, saboloo

jamSi, wamgebiani iqneboda, amitom

xmaurianad gaecala da gadadga!

gaxarias sruli Zalaufleba

rom hqonoda da mis ukan

ivaniSvili ar mdgariyo, is, rac,

misi azriT, ar unda momxdariyo,

ar moxdeboda da amiT yvelaferi

damTavrdeboda, anu brZanebas ar

gascemda, misi brZanebis gareSe ki

Zaladobrivi aqcia ver ganxorcieldeboda!

mokled, gamoCnda, rom gaxaria

realur Zalauflebas ar

flobda, Torem ase rom ar yofiliyo,

maSin gundis reaqciul

mowodebebze damokidebuli ar

iqneboda.

ise, gaxaria, rogorc Cans, melias

daWeris winaaRmdegic iyo...

_ am mocemulobidan gamomdinare,

Tqveni SefasebiT, ivaniS-

vili gaxarias ukan idga Tu

kobaxiZis ukan dgas?

_ ivaniSvili yvelas ukan dgas!

ivaniSvilma, Cemi azriT, berketebi

SeinarCuna, Tumca fiqrobs,

rom iseT poziciaSi gadavida,

rom pasuxismgebloba moxsnili

aqvs, magram SeuZlebelia, pasuxismgebloba

moixsnas!

_ ase ratom fiqrobT?

_ gaxarias iuridiulad sru-

`es winaaRmdegoba rom ar yofiliyo, SesaZloa, gadadgomaze

gancxadeba arc gaxarias gaekeTebina. mokled, Tu dasavleTis, aseve

politikuri Zalebisa da sazogadoebisgan sakmarisi winaaRmdegoba

iqneba, maSin iZulebuli gaxdebian, daTmobaze wavidnen. saboloo

jamSi, im situaciidan, romelic axla qveyanaSia Seqmnili,

erTaderTi gamosavali vadamdeli arCevnebia, magram Tu sakmarisi

winaaRmdegoba ar iqneba, maSin droebiT isev reaqcia gaimarjvebs~

li Zalaufleba unda hqonoda,

magram rom ar hqonda, es misi

gadadgomidanac gamoCnda.

sxvaTa Soris, Zalis gamoyenebaze

gadawyvetilebis miReba

arc kobaxiZes SeeZlo, arc _ mdinaraZes

da arc _ TalakvaZes.

_ saubari saiTken migyavT?

_ sasamarTlo Tavisufali

rom araa, amaze saubaric ar Rirs.

amitom igive mosamarTle,

romelmac melias dapatimrebis

gadawyvetileba miiRo, zemoxsenebul

pirovnebebs ki ara, vi-

Rac sxvas daemorCila.

_ sxvaTa Soris, roca Tqva,

melias daWeraze gundsa da gax-

arias sxvadasxva mosazreba

gvqondao, koobaxiZem daadastu-

ra, diax, sasamarTlo politize-

buliao.

_ diax, asea, magram sxva rames

vambob.

_ ras?

_ imas, Tu vin flobs realur

berketebs.

_ hoda, es „sxva”, vinc realur

berketebs flobs, kobaxiZe xom

araa?

_ meeWveba.

_ ratom?

_ kobaxiZe, ubralod, robotia,

Tan Zalian boroti roboti _

sxvis borot ganzraxvebs didi

sixaruliTa da iniciativiT asrulebs!

_ qalbatono Tamar, „ocneba”,

rogorc amboben, komunistebis

xelisuflebas hgavs. vinaidan

komunistebis bunebas kargad

icnobdiT, ras elodebiT, movlenebi

rogori scenariT ganvi-

Tardeba da „ocneba” ra nabijebs

gadadgams?

_ yvela xelisufleba, romelic

demokratiuli araa, cxadia,

erTmaneTs raRac kuTxiT hgavs!

xelisufleba ise moiqceva, ramdenic

gauva, anu Tu gauva, ise

gaagrZelebs, rogorc iqceva.

_ kerZod?

_ imis Sesaferiss moments

daelodeba, rac kobaxiZem daaanonsa.

_ kobaxiZem ra daaanonsa?

_ melias dapatimrebis Sesaferisi

momenti, magram ukve gamoCnda,

rom dasavleTisgan adekvaturi

winaaRmdegoba arsebobs.

ise, es winaaRmdegoba rom ar

yofiliyo, SesaZloa, gadadgomaze

gancxadeba arc gaxarias

gaekeTebina.

mokled, Tu dasavleTis, aseve

politikuri Zalebisa da sazogadoebisgan

sakmarisi winaaRmdegoba

iqneba, maSin iZulebuli gaxdebian,

daTmobaze wavidnen.

saboloo jamSi, im situaciidan,

romelic axla qveyanaSia

Seqmnili, erTaderTi gamosavali

vadamdeli arCevnebia, magram Tu

sakmarisi winaaRmdegoba ar iqneba,

maSin droebiT isev reaqcia

gaimarjvebs.

_ anu?

_ saerTod, „ocnebis” xelisufleba

reaqciulia, magram gansakuTrebulad

reaqciuli mimdinareobacaa

gamokveTili kobaxiZis,

mdinaraZisa da sxvaTa saxiT...

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`skandaluri interviu

saqarTveloSi

politikuri

giorgi abaSiZe

procesebi elviseburad, Tanac

ucnobi scenariT viTardeba: jer

iyo da, sus-is ufrosis moadgilem piri moaRo da sajarod

„cianidis saqmeze” specsamsaxuris lamis saidumlo masalebi

gaasajarova. mere, „ocnebam” nika melias patimroba miusaja da

sanam mosamarTlis gadawyvetileba aRsruldeboda, premierma

gaxariam Tanamdeboba datova, Tan mkafiod ganacxada, rom es

gadawyvetileba gundSi arsebuli dapirispirebis gamo miiRo.

gaxarias wasvla, ase Tu ise,

gasagebia, magram ratom gaaqtiurda

soso gogaSvili? _ am

Temaze sxvadasxva versia arsebobs.

zogi ambobs, rom mas patimroba

emuqreba da amitomac

„ocnebas” mesijebs ugzavnis, _

Tavi damanebe, Torem gudas

pirs movxsnio. ise, man gudas

piri ukve moxsna. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

nodar melaZisTvis

micemul interviuSi ganacxada:

„SeTxzes versia, raTa giorgi

mamalaZe warmoeCinaT msxverplad.

wavida mamalaZis

viqtimizacia (msxverplad warmoCena,

_ red.), TiTqos is iyo

sawyali, ziareba undoda da a.

S. me pirdapir getyviT, is ar

aris morwmune, is aTeistia. me

ar vici, giorgi mamalaZem sad

iyida cianidi. es iyo gamoZiebis

Cavardna, rodesac Sesyidvisa

da amoRebis momenti ar

daafiqsires.

me ar var gamomZiebeli, arc

saqmis gamoZiebaSi vyofilvar,

amdenad gamoZiebas Tu dafiqsirebuli

aqvs, ar vici. amitom

vambob, rom es ori momenti minusia.

gadaRebisa da amoRebis

momenti rom yofiliyo dafiqsirebuli,

am ambavs amdeni ram

ar mohyveboda. es daudevrobiT

moxda, ucodinarobiT Tu

Segnebulad, ar vici, magram

erTia, _ amiT safuZveli mieca

dacvis mxares, rom procesualur

darRvevebze aego saqme.

cianidi namdvilad SeiZina

giorgi mamalaZem. mama giorgi

mamalaZe aris kriminali...”

ris safuZvelze acxadebs

sus-is yofili maRalCinosani,

rom dekanozi mamalaZe kriminalia?

_ amis Sesaxeb araferi

viciT. samagierod, dekanoz mamalaZis

advokati mixeil ramiSvili

„qronika+~-sTan ambobs,

rom gogaSvilis zemoxsenebulma

intervium yvelaferi is daadastura,

rasac am wlebis ganmavlobaSi

„cianidis saqmis”

adavokatebi acxadebdnen.

sxvaTa Soris, Cvens gamocemasTan

saubrisas respondenti

erT saintereso miniSnebasac

akeTebs, anu mixeil ramiSvili

ambobs, rom „cianidis saqmis”

msgavsad, 23 wlis programist

Tamar baCaliaSvilis mkvlelobac

SesaZloa, CrdiloeTTan

iyos kavSirSi.

mokled, ra paralelis gavleba

SeiZleba „cianidis skandalsa”

da baCaliaSvilis bu-

rusiT mocul gardacvalebas

Soris da moiTxoven Tu ara

advokatebi soso gogaSvilis

dakiTxvas? _ „qronika+~ gTav-

azobT intervius mixeil

ramiSvilTan:

_ batono mixeil, rogor

xarT?

_ kargad, Tqven rogor gikiTxoT?

_ me kargad var, magram

bolo dros Tqveni „feisbuq-

postebi” ar momwons...

_ ratom?

_ meCveneba, rom viRacebs,

ai, magaliTad, opozicias,

TiTqos, raRac mesijebs ugza-

vniT...

opozicionerebze

gabrazebuli xarT?

_ Soltze rom davwere, imas

gulisxmobT?

_ diax...

_ iciT, rogori momentia?

_ rogori?

_ iqiT aleko elisaSvilis

situacia, aqeT _ „girCis”... jer

gamodian da sazogadoebas anaxeben,

rom erTobaa da gadawyvetilebas

erTianad iReben,

magram igive respublikelebma

Tqves, Cven parlamentSi erTjeradad

SevalT da administraciul

saarCevno kodeqsSi cvlilebebs

miviRebTo... es Zalian

absurduli winadadebebia,

radgan warmoudgenelia, iseT

parlamentsa da iseT deputatebTan

erTad miiRo cvlilebebi,

romlebmac yvelaferi es gaayalbes.

roca myari principi

gaqvs, rom riggareSe arCevnebi

unda Catardes, is molaparakebebic

ki, romelic elCebis TandaswrebiT

mimdinareobs, Zalian

gawelilia. mokled, mimaCnia,

rom alTa-balTaobis dro

araa! gadawyvetileba unda iqnes

miRebuli, radgan weRandeli

Tqmisa ar iyos, iseT adamianebTan

molaparakebas azri ar

aqvs, romlebic yvelaferSi

Tavidan bolomde cruoben!

_ sxvaTa Soris, mxolod

Tqven ki ara, ukve bevri adami-

ani eWvobs, yvelaferi, rac

bolo dros xdeba, SeTanxmebu-

li xom araao?..

_ diax, raRac speqtaklivi-

Taa...

_ amasobaSi ki sxva Zalian

mniSvnelovani ambebic xdeba.

ai, aviRoT, magaliTad, sus-is

ufrosis yofili moadgilis

interviu, romelic opoziciam

„gaatara”. TqvenTvis, rogorc

„cianidis saqmis” advokatis-

Tvis, gogaSvilis interviuSi

axali da moulodneli ra iyo,

anu opozicias yuradReba

raze unda gaemaxvilebina?

_ opozicias yuradReba

imaze unda gaemaxvilebina, rom

gogaSvilma yvelaferi is Tqva,

razedac mTeli es wlebi vsaubrobdiT.

_ anu?

_ adamianma Tavisi piriT

aRiara, rom amis ukan Sida saxelmwifo

sistema ki araa CarTuli,

aramed yvelaferi ruseTidanaao.

gogaSvilma Tqva, ruseTidan

adamianebi iyvnen Camosulebi

da sasuliero pirebis,

mitropolitebisa da viRacebis

Semowmeba mimdinareobdao.

usafrTxoebis samsaxuris ufrosis

yofili moadgilis am gancxadebaze

opozicias erTi ambavi

unda aetexa. sxvaTa Soris,

mixeil ramiSvili:

`iseTi situacia

iqmneba, rom

Cven marTla

guberniobisken

mivdivarT!

axlaxan „mTavarma arxma” gaavrcela

informacia, rom saqarTveloSi

rusi specrazmelebis

Sps aris dabudebuli. opozicia

amazec dums da iciT, es ra

niSnavs?

_ ras?

_ ai, kedelTan rom davdge

da laparaki daviwyo, kari gamixseni,

unda Semovide-meTqi.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ ramdenic unda velaparako,

me Tu ar gavWri, kedeli kars

ver gamixsnis. mokled, yvelaferi

es wylis nayvasaviTaa.

_ batono mixeil, damiko-

nkreteT, „yvelaferSi” ras

gulisxmobT?

_ opozicioneri ambobs,

axla parlamentSi Semoval, kan-

`soso oxanaSvilisa da im garkveuli pirebis

CamoSoreba undodaT, romlebic ruseTs xels

uSlidnen. sxvaTa Soris, erT rames pirdapir

vityvi: `cianidis saqmis~ dros aSS-is saelCoSi

politikur oficers Sevxvdi, romelic

mekiTxeboda, ra Sexedulebebi mqonda da

sapatriarqosa da, saerTod, saqarTveloSi

ruseTis rols rogor vafasebdi~

ons miviReb da isev gamovalo.

es opozicioneroba aRaraa!

_ geTanxmebiT... batono mix-

eil, Tqven, rogorc „cianidis

saqmis” advokatma, icodiT,

rom ruseTidan ori adamiani

iyo Camosuli, romelic maRali

sasuliero pirebis reitings

adgenda da, aqve, gkiTx-

avT, es saidumlo viziti

cianidis skandalTan pirdapir

kavSirSia?

_ arafers gamovricxav!

_ es rogor gavigo?

_ „cianidis saqmem” da, saer-

Tod, iman, rac xdeba, realoba

dagvanaxa da yvelafers farda

axada. SeiZleba, vinmes banalurad

moeCvenos, magram ar gamovricxav,

rom is 23 wlis gogo

raRac did informaciasTan SemxeblobaSi

Sevida da es saqar-

Tvelos sazRvrebs gascda. aq

saubari araa raRac pirad da

personalur informaciebze.

_ e. i., „cianidis saqmesa” da

Tamar baCaliaSvilis mkvlelobasa

Tu TviTmkvlelo-

bas Soris paralels avlebT

da kavSirs xedavT?

_ iciT, paralels ra kuTxiT

vavleb?

_ ra kuTxiT?

_ rogorc ruseTidan Camovidnen

da sasuliero pirebis

Semowmeba mimdinareobda, igive

SeiZleba Tamaris situaciazec

iTqvas, anu es gogo SeiZleba,

iseT informaciebs miswvda,

romelic ruseTTan kavSirSi

iyo, Tumca vimeoreb, rom aq

laparaki pirad informaciebze

araa. mokled, iseTi situacia

iqmneba, rom Cven marTla guberniobisken

mivdivarT! yvelafers

Tavi davaneboT da

vTqvaT, rom milionze meti emigranti

gvyavs.

_ mere?

_ prezidentma xeli moawera

brZanebas, rom ucxoeTSi

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs reg-

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mixeil ramiSvilTan

ularulad daasaqmeben da marto

xuT dReSi 85 aTasze meti

msurveli daregistrirda.

axla, uyureT, Cemi Sefaseba

rogoria _ ucxoeTSi wasuli

adamianebis umetesobas bankidan

sesxi eqneba aRebuli da

binebi yadaRadadebuli. jer

isedac siRatakis zRvarze

varT da emigraciaSi wasuli

adamianebi bankis gadasaxdel

Tanxas ver iSovian. ise, xom

iciT, ilias aqvs naTqvami, yvelaze

advili samarTavi gaunaTlebeli

eriao.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ saqarTveloSi mdidari

elitaa da ministris moadgileebi

Tu maTi moadgileebi yadaRadadebul

saqmeebs kapikebad

yiduloben.

mokled, emigraciaSi wasul

adamianebs yadaRadadebuli

saxlebidan rom gamoyrian, ratom

gamovricxavT, rom maTi

auqcionze gamotanili saxlebi

ruseTidan Semosulebma iyidon

da ai, isini, dRes „novi gruzinebi”

rom arian da yvelafers

rom kadruloben, mouravebad

gaixadon?

xom iciT, naTqvamia, moskovi

or dReSi ar aSenebulao da

Cvenc ase etapobrivad guberniad

gagvixdian!

_ mokled, Tanamedrove

rusuli eqspansia „cianidis

saqmiT” daiwyo, rasac ba-

CaliaSvilis tragedia mohyva.

am versias aviTarebT, ara?

_ diax, Tumca mTeli es procesebi,

Cemi SefasebiT, 2012

wels daiwyo, roca Zalian bevri

dapireba iyo _ ai, yvelaferi

gaiafdebao, magram sinamdvileSi,

yvelaferi gaZvirda.

Cveni miwebi 99 wliTac gaiyida,

iqiT baxmaros angreven

da... „saqarTvelo qarTvelebis

gareSe” rom iyos, amisTvis omi

aRaraa saWiro!

_ ki batono, magram kremls

sapatriarqoSi gavlena isedac

aqvs da „cianidis specopera-

cia” risTvisRa dasWirda?

_ „cianidis saqme” skandalad

imitom iqca, rom Secdomebi

amaT dauSves.

_ kerZod?

_ bevri rame ar hqondaT

gaTvlili da yvelaferi mainc

Sida samzareulodan modioda.

gasagebia, rom Sida dapirispireba

isedac arsebobda, magram

is, rac moxda, im doneze

ar moxdeboda, rame sxva mizani

rom ar yofiliyo.

_ saqmeSi cianidi rusebis

davalebiT gaCnda Tu

sawamlavi adgilobrivTa fan-

taziis nayofia?

_ Cemi azriT, es amaTi „Semoqmedeba”

iyo. mTavari mizani

sapatriarqodan garkveuli

pirebis Camocileba gaxldaT.

_ am skandalisTvis maincdamainc

dekanozi mamalaZe ra-

tom SeirCa?

_ albaT, imitom, rom soso

`SeiZleba, vinmes banalurad moeCvenos, magram ar gamovricxav,

rom is 23 wlis gogo raRac did informaciasTan SemxeblobaSi

Sevida da es saqarTvelos sazRvrebs gascda. aq saubari araa

raRac pirad da personalur informaciebze~

oxanaSvilisa da im garkveuli

pirebis CamoSoreba undodaT,

romlebic ruseTs xels uSlidnen.

sxvaTa Soris, erT rames

pirdapir vityvi: „cianidis saqmis”

dros aSS-is saelCoSi politikur

oficers Sevxvdi, romelic

mekiTxeboda, ra Sexedulebebi

mqonda da sapatriarqosa

da, saerTod, saqarTveloSi

ruseTis rols rogor

vafasebdi.

_ e. i., aSS-is saelCo Tavi-

danve eWvobda, rom „cianidis

saqmeSi” SesaZloa, rusuli

kvali yofiliyo?

_ diax.

_ Tu asea, maSin saintere-

soa, Cvenma strategiulma

partniorma amaze diplomatiuri

miniSnebebi ratom ar gaa-

keTa?

_ ar vici... ise, CemTan „niu-

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iork Taimsis” Jurnalistic

iyo mosuli... saelCoSi ki am

Temaze ori saaTiT visaubreT.

_ batono mixeil, mainc ver

gavige, „cianidis saqmisTvis”

maincdamainc dekanozi ma-

malaZe ratom SearCies?

_ aq mxolod mamalaZeze ar

iyo saubari. dRes oxanaSvili

da is meufeebic arian moSorebulni,

romlebic ufro evropulad

azrovneben. ai, magali-

Tad, meufe dimitri gaCumebulia...

sxvebma ki ufro win wamoiwies.

_ magaliTad?

_ igive iakobi Zalian iseTi

gaxda...

_ mamalaZe „cianidis saqmi-

sTvis” kargi kandidatura,

albaT, imitomac iyo, rom sapatriarqos

korufciul sqe-

mebs iZiebda da misi ganeitr-

`am interviuTi isic dadasturda, rom vinmes

mkvleloba ar igegmeboda. ubralod,

gogaSvilma versiis doneze Tqva, cianidi

germaniaSi imitom mihqondaT, rom saWmelze

moeyaraT da Sorena daekavebinaTo, magram aq

didi absurdi dauSva~

alebiT es Temac daixureboda,

ara?

_ diax... sxvaTa Soris, imaze,

teroristebi rom hyavdaT,

soso oxanaSvili Tavidanve

laparakobda.

_ batono mixeil, zemoxsenebuli

intervius mere Sesa-

Zloa Tu ara, rom „cianidis

saqmis” gamoZieba xelaxla dai-

wyos?

_ amis Sansi ar arsebobs.

_ ratom?

_ mTeli es interviu varaudisa

da versiebis doneze midioda,

ai, me ase vfiqrobo.

_ diax, Tumca gogaSvilma

daadastura, rom cianidis

warmomavloba ucnobia...

_ amazec getyviT: Tavis

droze viTxovdiT videoCanawers,

Tu rogor amoiRes cianidi,

magram es videoCanaweri ar

arsebobs. imis oqmi ki arsebobs,

rom cianidi amoRebulia

da daluqulia.

_ dekanozi Sss-m daapatim-

ra, prokuraturam Tu sus-ma?

_ sus-ma aiyvana.

_ hoda, gogaSvilma, romel-

ic maSin sus-is ufrosis

moadgile iyo, wesiT, unda

icodes, cianidis amoRebis ka-

drebi ratom ar arsebobs...

_ saerTod, roca adamians

akaveben, valdebulebas ar warmoadgens,

rom videokadrebi

arsebobdes. valdebulebaa,

rom dakaveba-amoRebis oqmi arsebobdes.

ki batono, dekanozi

mamalaZe sus-ma daakava, magram

oqmi prokuraturam Seadgina.

_ ratom?

_ oqms suselebi ar Seadgendnen.

_ sxvaTa Soris, gogaSvilma

Tqva, dekanozis dakavebis op-

eracia sus-s ar Cautarebiao,

anu ra gamodis, batono mix-

eil?

_ oqmSi prokuraturis gamomZieblebi

fiqsirdebian, magram

aq erTi detalia: sasamar-

Tlos ganCinebiT, TvalTvalsa

da miyuradebas sus-is Sesabamisi

samsaxuri axorcielebda.

_ amis miuxedavad, gamoZie-

bam ver daadgina, mamalaZem

cianidi saidan moitana.

_ diax, mTeli Canawerebia,

magram aravis eubneba, modi,

cianidi viyidoTo, Tan ar dagaviwydeT,

rom miyuradeba 3

Tebervlidan daiwyo...

_ batono mixeil, Cveni

saubris reziume gavakeToT da

miTxariT: gogaSvilis intervium

„cianidis saqme” Tav-

dayira daayena Tu ara?

_ ra Tqma unda, daayena. metic,

am intervium daamtkica,

rom jer erTi, mamalaZes cianidi

ar hqonda da igi Cadebulia.

meorec, am interviuTi isic dadasturda,

rom vinmes mkvleloba

ar igegmeboda. ubralod,

gogaSvilma versiis doneze

Tqva, cianidi germaniaSi imitom

mihqondaT, rom saWmelze

moeyaraT da Sorena daekavebinaTo,

magram aq didi absurdi

dauSva.

_ kerZod?

_ germania, ratomRac,

saqarTvelo hgonia.

_ risi Tqma gindaT?

_ saqarTveloSi mtkicebulebebs

ki ar eZeben, aramed

adamians TiTs adeben, modi,

daviWiroTo. hoda, amaT hgoniaT,

rom germanelebi Sorenas

uceb daiWerdnen da gamoZieba

amiT damTavrdeboda. yvelafers

Tavi rom davaneboT,

italiaSi 65 qarTveli kriminali

rom daiWires, maT sami weli

dasdevdnen. saqarTveloSi

erTi videoCanaweri da erTi

suraTic sakmarisia, rom xuTi

aTasi adamiani daiWiron! iciT,

eseni rogor sazRvraven?

_ rogor?

_ ai, sosom rom Tqva, cianidi

moayarao. cianidi Savi pilpili

xom ar aris, rom dainaxo.

xom xvdebiT, Cvenebs rogori

dabali standarti aqvT? ...rac

Seexeba cianidisa da Tamar ba-

CaliaSvilis saqmeebs, isini

erTmaneTis gagrZeleba araa,

magram situaciurad, ra mdgomareobac

axla saqarTevloSia,

Cemi SefasebiT, es is momentia,

Tu rogor SeiZleba ruseTi Semovides.

simarTle rom vTqvaT,

isedac Semosulia, magram axla

SeiZleba, yvelaferi ganadgurdes,

radgan qveynis aseTi arasaxelmwifoebrivi

marTva ar g-

amigia!

saerTod, sapatriarqo saxelmwifoSi

saxelmwifoa, sadac

„cianidis saqme” im TvalsazrisiT

mimdinareobda, rom

patriarqobis saTaviso kandidati

hyolodaT.

amasTan, Tamaris mkvlelobac

ar unda dagvaviwydes _ am

saqmeSi Tavi aifeTqes. _ mTeli

sistema CarTuli iyo, rom es

saqme gamoZiebaSi ar dabrunebuliyo!

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`qarTul politikaSi

amerikis saxelmwifo departa-

giorgi abaSiZe

menti saqarTveloSi bolo dros

ganviTarebuli politikuri movlenebis

gamo Rrma SeSfoTebas gamoTqvams da saqarTvelos xe-

lisuflebas mouwodebs, uzrunvelyos politikuri mikerZoebi-

sgan Tavisufali saprokuroro da marTlmsajulebis sistemebi.

„amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi

Rrmad SeSfoTebulia saqar-

TveloSi bolo drois politikuri

movlenebis gamo. movuwodebT

yvela mxares, Tavi Seikavon

iseTi gancxadebebisa da

qmedebebisgan, romelic Sedegad

moitans daZabuli viTarebis met

eskalaciasa da Zaladobas.

movuwodebT saqarTvelos xelisuflebas,

imoqmedos evroatlantikuri

miswrafebebis Sesabamisad

da ganamtkicos demokratiis,

individualuri Tavisuflebisa

da kanonis uzenaesobis

principebis mimarT erTguleba,

marTlmsajulebisa da saprokuroro

sistemebis politikuri

mikerZoebisgan ganTavisuflebis

gziT.

Cven ganvagrZobT saqarTvelosTan,

rogorc mokavSiresTan

muSaobas, raTa xeli SevuwyoT

kanonis uzenaesobas da angariSvaldebul

institutebs”, _

naTqvamia saxelmwifo departamentis

gancxadebaSi, romelic

mimdinare wlis 19 TebervliT

TariRdeba.

qveyanaSi ganviTarebuli movlenebiT

qarTveli eqspertebi

da analitikosebic SeSfoTebuli

arian.

ai, magaliTad, „eTnikur da

konfesiur urTierTobaTa centris”

xelmZRvaneli, lela jejelava,

miiCnevs, rom „qarni

xorSaki da wyalni mavnebelni”

gvelis. amasTan, „qronika+”-is

respondenti varaudobs, rom

Semdegi, vinc SesaZloa, „ocnebis”

Sida dapirispirebas Seewiros,

Tbilisis meri kaxa kalaZe

iqneba.

„mokled, ra gvelis? rogorc

curtaveli ityoda: qarni xor-

Saki da wyalni mavnebelni (cxadia

politikuri) da premieri

dRemokled cxorebuli (politikurad),

Tuki Cven ar davm-

RierdebiT...

Semdegi gaCereba _ kalaZe!

frTxilad, karebi iketeba! saTi-

Taod gamodiT, karSi aravin

moyveT. kedelze miwolac ar

SeiZleba, gvirabSi ar aRmoCndeT!..

keTili sizmrebi”, _ dawera

lela jejelavam socialur

qselSi mas Semdeg, rac cnobili

gaxda, rom „ocnebam” premierobis

kandidatad irakli RaribaSvili

daasaxela.

saerTod, „ocnebas” „meoredmosvlebi”

uyvars, rasac „kaxelebis

kartelis” xelmeored aRzevebis

mcdelobac adasturebs,

Tumca saqmeSi Caxedulni amboben,

rom es aRzeveba dRenakluli

iqneba da Zalauflebas mxolod

„kaxelebis klani” ki ara,

Tavad „ocnebac” male daemSvidobeba.

ise, politikaSi simboloebi

Zalian mniSvnelovania. hoda,

albaT, isic simboluria, rom

ivaniSvilis gundis mmarTvelobis

saTaveebTan RaribaSvili

idga da am gundis politikur

rekviemsac swored es adamiani

Seasrulebs...

sxvaTa Soris, gulwrfelebi

Tu viqnebiT, is qarTuli andaza

unda gavixsenoT, Tagvma kata

rom gamoTxara. diax, „ocnebam”

Tavad „gaiCaliCa” _ „gavrilovis

Rame” gaixsena da „nacionaluri

moZraobis” lider nika

meliaze Sturmi xelaxla miitana.

mmarTveli gundis am gadawyvetilebas

lela jejelava

„yvelaze ugunurs” uwodebs. sxvaTa

Soris, Cveni respondenti

jer kidev maSin, sanam melias

Tema gaaqtiurdeboda, sajarod

acxadebda, rom qveyanaSi iseTi

politikuri procesebi ganvi-

Tardeboda, romelic eklesias

miebmeboda da es prognozi gamarTlda,

anu premieri xdeba

RaribaSvili, romelic sapatriarqosTan

daaxloebulad miiCneva

da romelic e. w. nacionalur

ideebze TamaSobs. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

cdilobs, sazogadoebas

daanaxos, rom Tavad erovnul

Rirebulebebs icavs, opozicia

ki _ arc meti, arc naklebi _ dasavleTis

agenturaa. yvelaferi

es ki, pirdapir Tu iribad, rusuli

scenaris STabeWdilebas

qmnis. yovel SemTxvevaSi, CrdiloeTis

mmarTveli iqaur

opozicias dasavleTisgan mar-

Tulad miiCnevs.

mokled, sityva rom aRar

gagvigrZeldes, gTavazobT in-

tervius lela jejelavasTan,

romelic bevr saintereso

miniSnebas akeTebs:

_ qalbatono lela, marTalia,

mas Semdeg, rac mosamar-

Tlem nika melias dapatimrebis

gadawyvetileba miiRo, movlenebi

elviseburi siswrafiT gan-

viTarda da saqme premieris

gadadgomamdec adgomamdec mivida, magram

mainc mosamarTlis ganaCeni Se-

vafasoT, anu amiT „ocneba” di-

qtaturis damyarebas Seecada?

_ SeiZleba, diqtaturis damyarebis

mcdeloba iyo da vinmes

aseTi ganzraxvac hqonda, magram

ar mgonia, rom es diqtaturis

damyarebis SesaZleblobas iZleodes,

anu melias mimarT, cxadia,

politikuri devnaa da xelisuflebis

mxridan opozicioneris

politikuri devna gasagebia,

Tumca, sinamdvileSi, yvelafer

amiT „ocnebam” politikuri devna

sakuTar Tavs dauwesa.

_ ratom?

_ melias dapatimreba yvelaze

ugunuri da araracionaluri

gadawyvetilebaa, romlis miRebac

xelisuflebas SeeZlo!

saerTod, „gavrilovis saqmis”

ganaxleba „ocnebisTvis” yvelaze

wamgebiania.

_ ar mgonia, ase iyos. yovel

SemTxvevaSi, „ocneba” amtki-

cebs, gavrilovi saqarTveloSi

elene xoStariam Camoiyvanao...

_ im protokolze, romelic

gavrilovis saqarTvelos parlamentis

Tavmjdomaris savar-

ZelSi Casmasa da misTvis wiTeli

xaliCis dafenas iTvaliswinebda,

xoStarias ar mouweria

xeli. es protokoli gavrilovis

Camosvlamde karga xniT

adre iyo gawerili da masze

irakli kobaxiZem moawera xeli.

kobaxiZe saqarTveloSi im adamians,

romelsac okupaciis kanoni

aqvs darRveuli, ver SemouSvebda

da amiT kanonis damrRvevi

Tavad ver gaxdeboda. mokled,

dRes saintereso aRaravisTvisaa,

xelisufleba ras ambobs,

radgan is yvela gonivrul zRvars

gascda.

amasTan, momsaxurebis zonid-

lela jejelava:

an Tavad saxelmwifoc gasulia,

radgan am qveyanas imis niSanwyali

aRar etyoba, rom saxelmwfoa!

yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare,

„ocnebisTvis” gavrilovis saqarTveloSi

viziti is Savi laqaa,

romelsac verasodes Camoirecxavs

da istoriaSi Tu ramiT Seva,

swored es faqti iqneba!

am saqmis maSin ganaxleba, roca

mTeli saerTaSoriso sazogadoeba

cdilobda, rom opozicia

parlamentSi Sesvlaze daeTanxmebina,

TvalsaCinos xdis, rom

Tavad xelisufleba araa dainteresebuli,

politikuri procesi

politikur kalapotSi gadavides,

anu procesis quCaSi

darCenas da misTvis ufro mZafri

formis micemas „ocneba” ubi-

Zgebs.

ise, sanam xelisufleba am

„brZnul” gadawyvetilebas miiRebda,

opoziciur flangze

sakmao dabneuloba SeiniSneboda

`nika melia yvelaze gavleniani opoziciuri

partiis Tavmjdomare, anu pirveli piri gaxda.

Sesabamisad, samiznedac yvelaze woniani

politikosi SearCies~

`Semdegi gaCereba

_ kalaZe!..

frTxilad, karebi

iketeba! saTiTaod

gamodiT, karSi

aravin moyveT!~

da iseTi procesi viTardeboda,

romelic opoziciis mdgomareobasa

da renomes maincdamainc

kargad ar warmoaCenda.

_ ras gulisxmobT, qalba-

tono lela?

_ TiTqos erTianoba iSleboda

da opozicia erTmaneTSi

„saqmes arkvevda”, anu politikuri

procesi, praqtikulad,

paralizebuli iyo. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

opozicia qveyanaSi

srul politikur dRis wesrigs

ver qmnida. „ocnebis” am gadawyvetilebam

ki opozicias imis

saSualeba misca, rom mTeli energiis

konsolidireba SeZlos

da politikuri procesic ukve

sakuTari dRis wesrigiT warmarTos!

_ yvelaferi es gasagebia, ma-

gram 20 ivnisis saqmeze sxva

politikosebic arian bralde-

bulebi, Tumca „ocnebam”

maincdamainc nika melia „Caix-

via” da misgan, gulaxdilad rom

vTqvaT, gmiri Seqmna...

_ diax, jerjerobiT ase Cans...

_ anu xelisuflebas melias

wina planze wamoweva awyobda?

_ nika melia yvelaze gavleniani

opoziciuri partiis

Tavmjdomare, anu pirveli piri

gaxda. Sesabamisad, samiznedac

yvelaze woniani politikosi

SearCies.

_ ki batono, magram melias

maSin araferi uTxres, roca

samajuri moixsna da axla ra

„etakaT”, anu ivaniSvilis gun-

di xom ar moqmedebs principiT

_ oRond miSa ara da, jandabas,

gmiri nebismieri sxva vinme iy-

oso?

_ SeiZleba, „ocneba” fiqrobs,

rom nika meliasgan am formiT

gmiris SeqmniT qarTul politikaSi

saakaSvilis faqtors Seasustebs,

magram ar mgonia, rom

es martivad SesaZlebelia. ase

rom, Tu gaTvla amaze aqvs, „ocneba”,

rasakvirvelia, cdeba.

_ ise, albaT, yuradReba miaqcieT,

rom im 12 axali saxidan,

romelic meliam sazoga-

doebas arcTu didi xnis winaT

warudgina, ori Tu sami „qocy-

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gavrilovis aCrdili dadis!~

ofilia”. Sesabamisad, isic iTq-

va, rom am ori-samidan zogi uCa

mamacaSvilis kadria. yve-

laferi es ramis trigeri xom

araa da erTgvari fazli ikvre-

ba?

_ klasikuri gagebiT „naci”

arc Tavad nika meliaa. igi arc

„nacmoZraobis” damfuZnebelia,

amitom is ise pozicionirebs,

rogorc gamaerTianebeli lideri,

romelsac unda, rom garSemo

mxolod „nacmoZraobis” mxardamWerebi

ki ara, isinic Semoikribos,

romlebic „nacmoZraobas”

mxars arasodes uWerdnen.

calke sakiTxia, yvelaferi es

gamova Tu ara, magram faqtia:

melia mxolod ise ki ar pozicionirebs,

rogorc „nacmoZraobis”

lideri, aramed surs, rom

gamaerTianebeli iyos da „nacmoZraoba”

warsulis mZime tvir-

Tisgan gaaTavisuflos.

„nacmoZraobaSi” yofili „qocebis”

gamoCena swored amiT aixsneba,

magram Tuki Tqvens mosazrebas

gavyvebiT da vityviT,

rom xelisufleba meliasgan

gmirs xelovnurad qmnis, isic

unda aRvniSnoT, rom am dividendiT

mTelma xelisuflebam ki

ara, SeiZleba, garkveulma Stom

isargeblos. ai, magaliTad, „ocnebis”

e. w. kobaxiZis jgufi yvelafer

amiT wagebuli darCeba.

_ ratom?

_ „gavrilovis RamesTan” yvelaze

metad kobaxiZea asocirebuli

da nika melias daWerac,

rasakvirvelia, mis negatiur aqtivSi

wava.

_ „es speqtakli rodis das-

ruldeba?” _ am ritorikul

kiTxvas mxolod moqalaqeebi ki

ara, politikuri aqtorebic

svamen. adamianebis nawils ratom

uCndebaT gancda, rom yve-

laferi is, rac axla xdeba,

speqtaklia?

_ sasamarTlo procesma, sadac

nika melias patimroba Seufardes,

speqtaklze metad cirki

gamaxsena! saerTod, speqtakls

garkveuli dramaturgia

sWirdeba. es ki, ubralod, sanaxaobaa

da meti araferi!

_ am movlenebs bevri rusul

scenaradac ganixilavs, anu is

moxdeba, rac 90-iani wlebis bo-

los ruseTSi vixileT, roca

putinma yvelasa da yvelaferze

kontroli daamyara. am ver-

sias iziarebT?

_ ara, ver vityvi, rom ase moxdeba.

ise, zusti prognozebis

gakeTeba rTulia, radgan araferi

ganmeordeba, yvelaferi

sruliad sxvagvarad wava da mosaxvevebSi

SesaZloa, iseTi ganviTareba

miiRos, rasac aravin

elodeba. amitomac, vfiqrob,

opoziciasac gansakuTrebuli

yuradReba sWirdeba da imazec

unda koncentrirdes, rom problemebi

ar dauSvas, radgan erTi

Secdomac ki, SesaZloa, opoziciisTvis

sabediswero aRmo-

Cndes!

_ opoziciam aseTi ra Secdoma

unda dauSvas, romelic Sesa-

`ocnebisTvis~ gavrilovis saqarTveloSi viziti is Savi laqaa, romelsac

verasodes Camoirecxavs da istoriaSi Tu ramiT Seva, swored es faqti iqneba!~

Zloa, sabediswero aRmoCndes?

_ aseTi Secdoma bevria. ai,

magaliTad, is, rom opoziciam

winaswari ganwyoba Seqmna, nika

melias veravin daiWerso.

_ marTalia, mosamarTlis

gadawyvetilebis aRsruleba

Sss-m gadado, magram faqtia _

ganaCeni gamotanilia.

_ diax, magram opozicia ambobs,

melias aravis gavatano.

_ anu, SesaZloa, samoqalaqo

dapirispirebamde mivideT? sxvaTa

Soris, am Temas orive mx-

are axsenebs...

_ hoda, mec saubari swored

aqeTken mimyavs _ am wuTas qveyanaSi

samoqalaqo dapirispirebisTvis

safuZveli ar arsebobs

da opoziciam iseTi molodini

ar unda gaaCinos, romelic realobisgan

Sors iqneba. amitomac

vambob, rom opozicias Zalian

didi yuradRebis mobilizeba da

dakvirveba sWirdeba, rom Secdomebi

ar dauSvas da sakuTari

pirobebis mZevali ar gaxdes!

_ geTanxmebiT, rom dafiqre-

ba aucilebelia, magram aseTi

kuluaruli scenari ganvixiloT:

„ocneba” CixSia da vad-

amdelis dasaniSnad sababs

eZebs. hoda, midis 2007 wlis

gegmiT _ saakaSvilis msgavsad,

arbevs aqcias da mere, vadam-

dels niSnavs...

_ gamoricxva arafris Sei-

Zleba, miT umetes, melias sasamarTlos

Semdeg, miT ufro, rom

sasamarTlos es gadawyvetileba,

weRandeli Tqmisa ar iyos, yvelaze

aragonivruli da „ocnebisTvis”

arakomfortulia.

_ Tu zemoxsenebuli faruli

scenari arsebobs, e. i. sasamarTlos

gadawyvetileba xelisuflebisTvisac

komfortu-

lia da opoziciisTvisac, anu

vadamdeli arCevnebiT opozi-

cia imas miiRebs, rasac iTxovs,

„ocneba” ki marTvis pasuxismge-

blobisgan ganTavisufldeba,

amoisunTqavs da mere ra, Tuki

yvelafer amas erTi-ori momit-

`ramenairad `nacionalur moZraobasTan~ rom

vasocirdebode, aucileblad movindomebdi,

rom molaparakebis sagani partiis

liderisTvis politikuri devnis moxsna da

misi saqarTveloSi dabruneba gamxdariyo. miT

umetes, rom saakaSvili aris adamiani,

romelzedac `nacionaluri moZraoba~

eleqtoralurad TiTqmis mTlianad aris

damokidebuli~

ingis daSaveba mohyveba...

_ ar minda, rom aseTi damokidebuleba

gvqondes, mere ra,

Tu erTi-ori daSavdebao.

_ xalxis mimarT aseTi

damokidebuleba me da Tqven ki

ara, rogorc wesi, politikur

elitas aqvs xolme. ise, dRes

mako gomuri Tu 20 ivnisis sxva

daSavebulebi aRaravis axsovs.

esec xom faqtia, qalbatono

lela?

_ rasakvirvelia, magram pirdapir

vTqvaT, rom axla qarTul

politikaSi gavrilovis aCrdili

dadis da aseT dros rogor

SeiZleba, mako gomuri ar gvaxsovdes?

ise, politikuri liderebi,

xelisuflebidan iqnebian Tu

opoziciidan, saboloo jamSi,

imas miiReben, ra pasuxismgeblobasac

qveynis winaSe aiReben.

Zalian didi bodiSi, magram yvelaferi

es im koridas ar unda

daemsgavsos, sadac mosaxleoba

mayurebelia! Tu es movlenebi

politikuri procesis CarCoebs

gascda da politikuri ZiZgilaobis

saxe miiRo, adamianebi

didxans aRar motyuvdebian!

amitomac vambob, rom axla

opozicias „SesaZleblobebis

fanjara” aqvs, romelic sworad

unda gamoiyenos da iseTi politikuri

dRis wesrigi Seqmnas,

romelic qveyanas ar daazianebs!

_ vaRiaroT, rom opozicia

odiozuri figurebiTaa savse

da ai, am adamianebma qveynis ar-

damzianebeli

politikuri

dRis wesrigi rogor unda Se-

qmnan?

_ am wuTas vmkiTxaobT.

_ anu?

_ Tu opozicia aseT dRis

wesrigs ver Seqmnis, maSin bunebrivia,

iseT mdgomareobaSi aRmoCndeba,

rom fexze veRarasodes

wamodgeba! ar vici, opozicia

am tipis winaaRmdegobisTvis

mzad aris Tu ara.

_ ise, roca melias saqmis

sasamarTlo mosmena daiwyo,

saakaSvilma socialur qselSi

sagangebo mimarTva gaavrcela

da ivaniSvils daemuqra, da-

badebis dReze melias daWeris

saCuqars ver miiRebo. Tu bolo

8 wels gadavxedavT, kritikul

momentSi saakaSvili Cndeba da

procesebi sul sxvanair kal-

apotSi gadadis xolme. amaSi

rame „ZaRlis Tavi” xom araa

damarxuli?

_ vinme fiqrobs, rom nika melia,

„nacmoZraoba” da saerTod,

es procesi saakaSvilisgan distancirebulia?

_ ase ar vfiqrob, Tumca

didi xania, xma dadis, rom „nacmoZraobaSi”

melias, merbaiSvi-

lis, saakaSvilis dajgufebebi

arsebobs. imasac amboben, rom

eqsmmarTvel partiaSi, salome

samadaSvilisa da Tina bokuCa-

vas saxiT, dasayrdeni grigol

vaSaZemac datova...

_ esec marCielobaa, Tumca

faqtia: „nacmoZraoba”, Tavmjdomare

vinc unda iyos, saakaSvilisgan

distancirebuli araa,

Tumca im movlenebze, rac axla

viTardeba, mas pasuxismgebloba

ar aqvs.

_ aba, vis aqvs?

_ melias.

_ ratom?

_ imitom, rom „nacmoZraobis”

Tavmjdomarea da imeds vitoveb,

Zalian gonivrulad aqvs yvela

is Sedegi danaxuli, rac Sesa-

Zloa, am procesebs mohyves. diax,

vimedovneb, rom melia lideris

poziciebis SenarCunebas

SeZlebs.

_ ise, qalbatono lela,

opoziciam,

gansakuTrebiT,

„nacmoZraobam”, Secdoma xom ar

dauSva, roca xelisuflebasTan

ramdenimeraundiani molaparakebis

dros saakaSvilis sak-

iTxi ar daayena da misTvis

politdevnilis statusis mini-

Weba ar moiTxova?

_ simarTle giTxraT, es

CemTvis cota gaugebaria.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ ramenairad „nacionalur

moZraobasTan” rom vasocirdebode,

aucileblad movindomebdi,

rom molaparakebis sagani

partiis liderisTvis politikuri

devnis moxsna da misi

saqarTveloSi dabruneba gamxdariyo.

miT umetes, rom saakaSvili

aris adamiani, romelzedac

„nacionaluri moZraoba” eleqtoralurad

TiTqmis mTlianad

aris damokidebuli.

sxvaTa Soris, am sakiTxis ardayeneba

samarTlianic ar mgonia,

anu ar mesmis, yvela ratom

cdilobs, rom saakaSvilis faqtors

raRacnairad gverdi auaros

da „nacionaluri moZraobis”

9-wliani mmarTvelobis

mTeli tvirTi mxolod mas ahkidos?

amis realuri mizezi ar vici,

Tumca piradad Cemi mosazreba

Tu gainteresebT, „nacionalur

moZraobasTan” ramenairad afilirebuli

rom viyo, saakaSvilisTvis

politdevnilis statusis

miniWebas aucilebad moviTxovdi...

_ warmatebebs gisurvebT,

qalbatono lela!

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`sisxli daiRvreba da mTeli cxovreba

qveyanaSi iseTi viTarebaa, ai,

giorgi abaSiZe

rom amboben xolme, deda Svils

ar aiyvanso. diax, „ocneba” ud-

edmamod darCenil Znelad aRsazrdel bavSvs hgavs, bavSvs,

romelmac ar icis, riT gaerTos da xan ras afuWebs da xan _

ras. „qocebma” ra gaafuWes, amaze saubari Sors wagviyvans,

Tumca „Tavisufali saqarTvelos” lideri, kaxa kukava, praqtikulad,

darwmunebulia, rom am Wirveuli bavSvebis „Sant-

raba” cixeSi aucileblad moxvdeba. amasTan, Cveni respondenti

sxva mwvave gancxadebebsac akeTebs da ambobs, rom Rarib-

aSvilis bodvebs aravin usmens.

misive SefasebiT, kobaxiZe is

figura ar iyo, romelsac SeeZlo,

rom gaxariasTvis winaaRmdegoba

gaewia, anu kukavas versiiT,

bolodroindelma movlenebma

kidev erTxel daadastu-

ra, rom ivaniSvili politikidan

ar wasula da melias daWeras

daJinebiTac swored is iTxov-

da.

_ batono kaxa, axal realo-

baSi varT, ufro sworad,

raRacnairad deJavus gancda

maqvs _ „ocnebis” premierobis

kandidati isev... irakli Rarib-

aSvilia. es ras niSnavs?

_ „qocebi” yvelaze sulelebi,

upasuxismgebloebi da amoralurebi

arian!

_ ratom?

_ Cven bevri cudi mTavroba

gvyolia, magram yvela orsaxa

iyo.

_ anu?

_ raRac dadebiTic hqondaT,

magram iseTi mTavroba, rom

utvinoc yofiliyo, upasuxismgeblo

da amoraluric, aqamde arasodes

gvyolia! „qocebi” Cvens

istoriaSi yvelaze samarcxvino

laqaa! sxvaTa Soris, gaxarias

gadadgomis mere kobaxiZem brifingi

rom Caatara, socialur

qselSi amis foto da video kadrebi

daido da xalxi werda, _

ai, SexedeT, ver gaigeb, mTavrobaa

Tu „Santrabao”.

erTi sityviT, weRandeli

Tqmisa ar iyos, samiaTaswlovani

saxelmwifos istoriaSi Zalian

did sircxvilad darCeba, rom am

qveyanas cxra wlis ganmavlobaSi

„Santraba” marTavda!

_ Znelia, am SefasebaSi ar

dageTanxmoT, magram simarTles

Tvali gavusworoT da isic vTq-

vaT, rom RaribaSvili rigiTi

„qocebis” nawilSi Zalian popu-

larulia da iqneb, premierobis

kandidatadac amitom daasaxe-

les?

_ Tu SedarebiTobis kriteriums

gamoviyenebT, ki batono, anu

roca partiis Tavmjdomare

kobaxiZe gyavs, masTan SedarebiT

nebismieri sxva ufro popularuli

iqneba, Tumca RaribaSvilisganac

Zalian bevri ukve ganxiblulia.

sxvaTa Soris, gaxariam

Tavisi aqtiT Zalian mniSvnelovani

ram gaakeTa _ momaval premiersac

xel-fexi Seukra.

_ es rogor?

_ marTalia, pirdapir ase ar

uTqvams, magram rac Tqva, imiTac

naTeli gaxda, rom xelisuflebaSi

sisxliani gegma ganixileboda.

amitom amis Semdeg xelisuflebis

mxridan ganxorcielebuli

nebismieri Zaladoba verc

policias gadabraldeba da verc

_ kanonis sxva aRmasrulebels.

yvelasTvis gasagebi iqneba, rom

nebismieri sisxliani gegma premieris

piradi gadawyvetilebiT

amoqmeddeba. ise, opoziciis

winaSe am winadadebas aucileblad

davayeneb, rom yvela policieli

da „qoci” oficialurad

gavafrTxiloT.

_ raze unda gaafrTxiloT?

_ Tu melias ukanono dakavebis

specoperaciis dros vinmes

Tmis erTi Reric Camouvardeba,

yvela aTwlian sasjels moixdis!

amisTvis giorgi gaxarias Zalian

didi madloba ekuTvnis!

sxvaTa Soris, gadadgomamde

ori-sami dRiT adre piradad

gaxarias ramdenjerme movuwode,

mxolod Tqveni imedi maqvs-meTqi.

Jurnalistebs gaukvirdaT, _

gaxarias imedi ratom gaqvso?

maSinve ganvmarte, misi fani ar

var, magram am „Santrabidan” gaxaria

gamovarCie-meTqi.

mokled, Cemi molodini gamarTlda

da Zalian mixaria, rom

man sakuTari Tavi gamoarCia!

_ marTalia, ambobT, gaxariam

Tavisi aqtiT momaval premiers

xel-fexi Seukrao, magram

mTavrobis meTauris kandidatad

dasaxelda Tu ara, RaribaSvilma

ganacxada, yvelafers gavakeTeb,

rom saxelmwifo wesrigi

swrafad aRdgeso, anu, praq-

tikulad, terori daaanonsa.

_ rogor SeiZleba, RaribaSvilis

gancxadebebi seriozulad

ganvixiloT?

_ ratom ar SeiZleba?

_ eseni angariSmiucemlad

laparkoben da verc xvdebian,

ras amboben. darwmunebuli var,

mxolod me ki ara, RaribaSvilis

sityvebidan raime azris gamotana

nebismiers gauWirdeba!

erTi sityviT, RaribaSvili, es

absoluturi araraoba, ras

ityvis, mniSvneloba ar aqvs, miT

umetes, dRes, roca mmarTveli

gundis reitingi nulsaa gatolebuli,

Tan ar dagaviwydeT,

rom am gunds arc de faqto

lideri hyavs da arc _ de iure!

bolo ramdenime dReSi ki yvelaze

mniSvnelovani is moxda,

rom dasavleTs moTminebis Zafi

gauwyda _ Zalian didxans iTmenda

da ar undoda, saqarTvelos

Sida procesebSi Careuliyo.

saerTod, dasavleTi, romelsac

Tavisi uamravi problema aqvs,

nebismier suverenul qveyanas ase

udgeba _ axali problema ar

„aikidos”. amitom ramdenime Tvis

ganmavlobaSi saqarTvelos

Tvals aridebda, Tqven TviTon

morigdiT da moilaparakeTo,

kaxa kukava:

`qocebi~ yvelaze

sulelebi,

upasuxismgebloebi

da amoralurebi

arian!~

magram meliasTvis dapatimrebis

ganaCenis gamotaniT „qocobam”

imas miaRwia, rom dasavleTs

moTminebis fiala aevso. amas gaxarias

gadadgomamac Seuwyo xeli

da dasavleTi saqarTvelos ambebSi

ukve Zalian detaluradaa

CarTuli. es ki imas niSnavs, rom

didi yuradReba RaribaSvilis

bJuturs ki ara, dasavleTis

gancxadebebs unda mivaqcioT!

_ yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare,

movlenebi rogori sce-

nariT ganviTardeba, batono

kaxa?

_ vfiqrob, „ocnebis” dasasruli

wels iqneba, anu mas grZelvadiani

scenari aRar aqvs.

opoziciis mTavari gasakeTebeli

ki isaa, rom yvelaferi es rac

SeiZleba organizebulad da legitimur,

konstituciur Car-

CoebSi moeqces, radgan aman qveynisTvis

minimaluri ryevebi gamoiwvios!

_ e. i., varaudobT, rom „oc-

neba” ukan daixevs da vadamdel

saparlamento arCevnebs daniS-

navs?

_ diax, ase iqneba, Tumca amas

ukan daxevas ki ara, faqtis aRiarebas

davarqmevdi.

Cemi azriT, qveyanaSi iseTi

procesebi ganviTrdeba, rac masobriv

aqciebsa da Zalian did

saxalxo mRelvarebasTan iqneba

dakavSirebuli! aqedan gamomdinare,

vadamdeli arCevnebis

daniSvna ukan daxeva ki ara,

rogorc aRvniSne, faqtis aRiareba

iqneba! ise, yvelaferi 1990

wlis movlenebs hgavs.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ saqarTveloSi xelisufleba

aRar arsebobs da is gvarebi

da saxelebi, rac qaRaldze weria,

absoluturi formalobaa!

_ Tqvengan gansxvavebiT, 2007

wlis noembris movlenebi maxsen-

deba, anu rogorc maSin, axlac

xelisufleba aqcias daarbevs,

mere ki iZulebuli gaxdeba,

`giorgi gaxaria postidan realurad gadadga!

amasTan, popularuli premieri iyo da

kvirikaSvils ar hgavda, ginda Seitane da

ginda gamoitaneo. vin, vin da, yvelaze metad

mediam iciT, rom bolo ori wlis

ganmavlobaSi `ocnebis~ reitingi ivaniSvilze

ki ara, gaxariaze iyo Camokidebuli~

gadadges da vadamdeli arCevne-

bi daniSnos!

_ maSindeli xelisuflebis

gadadgoma nominaluri iyo, axlandeli

ki nominaluri araa _

giorgi gaxaria postidan realurad

gadadga!

amasTan, popularuli premieri

iyo da kvirikaSvils ar

hgavda, ginda Seitane da ginda

gamoitaneo. vin, vin da, yvelaze

metad mediam iciT, rom bolo

ori wlis ganmavlobaSi „ocnebis”

reitingi ivaniSvilze ki ara,

gaxariaze iyo Camokidebuli.

_ amaze ar gekamaTebiT, ma-

gram sxva rames vambob, anu

gamoricxavT, rom RaribaSvil-

ma opoziciis sastikad daSlis

gadawyvetileba miiRos, ris Sem-

degac, dasavleTis zewoliT,

iZulebuli gaxdeba, vadamdeli

arCevnebi daniSnos?

_ jer erTi, vfiqrob, rom

saqme aqamde ar miva. meorec, is

kreditebi, romelic saakaSvils

hqonda, am mTavrobas ar gaaCnia.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ dasavleTma saakaSvils 7

noemberi mouTmina da bolomde

ar gaswira.

_ ratom?

_ amas bevri mizezi hqonda,

maT Soris, is, rom meore mxares

sakmaod amorfuli Zala idga.

amasTan, saakaSvili garkveuli

reformebis avtori da Zalian

mkafiod gamoxatuli prodasavluri

lideri iyo. am kreditebidan

ki „ocnebas” erTic ar aqvs

da amitom imis saSualebas aravin

miscems, rom aqciebis darbevis

Semdeg xelisuflebaSi mobrundes!

is, rac 2007-Si dasavleTma

gaakeTa, Secdoma iyo, magram im

Secdomas axsna hqonda. axla ki

darwmunebuli var, msgavsi ram

aRar ganmeordeba!

_ sxvaTa Soris, gaxarias

gadadgomis Semdeg dasavleli

diplomatebis nawili „naciona-

lebis” ofisSi mivida...

_ diax da mTavaric swored

esaa, rom yinuli galRva, anu

dasavleTi, romelsac partiebis

ofisebSi siaruli da proceseb-

Si pirdapir CarTva ar undoda,

axla sxvanairad iqceva, anu is

mixvda, eka beselias frTiani

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cixidan erTi Tqvenganic ver gamova!~

fraziT rom vTqva, kobaxiZe patara

suleli bavSvia, romelsac

xelSi asanTi uWiravs da aravin

icis, Senobas cecxls rodis

waukidebs.

diax, dasavleTi darwmunda,

rom politikur procesebSi

unda Caerios, radgan saqarTvelos

ganagebs suleli bavSvebis

„Santraba”, romelsac asanTi

uWravs da saxls cecxls nebismier

dros waukidebs!

_ ise, Tavidan vrceldeboda

mosazreba, rom premierobis kandidati

SesaZloa, kobaxiZe yo-

filiyo, Tumca moxda is, rac

moxda _ Tqveni azriT, „stavka”

RaribaSvilze ratom gakeTda?

_ esec pirdapiri aRiarebaa.

_ risi?

_ Tavadac kargad gesmiT, rom

maTi partiis lideri diskreditebuli

da miuRebeli pirovnebaa.

marTalia, amboben, saparlamento

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arc erT evropul qveyanaSi

ar xdeba, rom mmarTveli partiis

lideri premieri ar iyos. ai,

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partiis lideri da, amavdroulad,

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analogiuradaa espaneTSic da a.

S.

mokled, mmarTveli partiis

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magram is imdenad samarcxvinoa,

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RaribaSvilis wardgena imis

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_ rogor?

_ Cans, gaxarias melias dapatimreba

marTla ar undoda da

eWvi mepareba, rom misi wonis

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gaewia, anu rom ara

ivaniSvilis mkafio pozicia, gindaT

Tu ara, melia daiWireTo,

gaxaria Tavisas gaitanda. saer-

Tod, viciT, „ocnebis” struqtura

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aqvT. amitom erTaderTi, visac

SeeZlo eTqva, yvelaferi premieris

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ivaniSvili iqneboda, Torem gaxarias

pozicias sxva veravin gada-

Zalavda!

_ ivaniSvils melias daWeris

aseTi dauokebeli survili ratom

aqvs? zogi ambobs, oligar-

qs unda, meliasgan saakaSvilis

sapirwone Seqmnaso. am azrs

iziarebT?

_ aseTi konspirologiuri

versiebisgan Sors var da es im

simReridanaa, gamsaxurdias

arCevnebi komunistebma moagebines,

saakaSvili ki prezidentad

`RaribaSvili, es absoluturi araraoba, ras ityvis, mniSvneloba ar aqvs, miT

umetes, dRes, roca mmarTveli gundis reitingi nulsaa gatolebuli, Tan ar

dagaviwydeT, rom am gunds arc de faqto lideri hyavs da arc - de iure!~

SevardnaZem datovao.

es, ra Tqma unda, nonsensia da,

saerTod, istoriaSi msgavsi

raRacebi ar xdeba! arada, is versiac

momismenia, ivaniSvili xelisuflebaSi

saakaSvilma Segnebulad

moiyvanao.

_ arsebobis ufleba am ver-

siasac aqvs...

_ SeiZleba, magram, ubralod,

ise moxda, rom cixis kadrebma

gaJona, Tumca es sxva istoriaa.

rac Seexeba imas, Tu ratom undodaT

melias dapatimreba,

mmarTveli partiis erT-erT

ideologs sakuTar „feisbuqze”

ewera, amiT mmarTveli Zalis Seuryevloba

unda damtkicdeso. anu

isini fiqrobdnen, Tuki melias

ar daviWerT, maSin Cveni aRaravis

SeeSindebao.

_ batono kaxa, sanam sxva

Temaze gadavalT, miTxariT,

RaribaSvilis „aRdgomiT” 2013-

Si xom ar vbrundebiT, roca

faruli kadrebis gavrceleba

da adamianebze fsiqologiuri

terori erTob trenduli iyo?

_ erT mdinareSi, rogorc

wesi, meored aRar Sedian.

_ am andazis imedze varT?

_ is warmoudgeneli sibin-

Zure, rasac „hakim faSas” saxeliT

sCadioda, RaribaSvils

2013 wels SerCa da SeuZlebelia,

2021 welsac SerCes.

saerTod, politikuri Janris

klasikaa _ is, rac epatieba re-

Jims, romelsac mosaxleobis 70-

procentiani mxardaWera aqvs,

aRar epatieba reJims, romlis

reitingic plintuss Camoscda!

sxvaTa Soris, piradad me ma-

Sinac vambobdi, es sibinZureameTqi,

Tumca amas did yuradRebas

arc qarTuli sazogadoeba

aqcevda da arc _ saerTa-

Soriso. axla ki yvelas kargad

`saakaSvili garkveuli reformebis avtori da

Zalian mkafiod gamoxatuli prodasavluri

lideri iyo. am kreditebidan ki `ocnebas~

erTic ar aqvs da amitom imis saSualebas

aravin miscems, rom aqciebis darbevis Semdeg

xelisuflebaSi mobrundes! is, rac 2007-Si

dasavleTma gaakeTa, Secdoma iyo, magram im

Secdomas axsna hqonda. axla ki darwmunebuli

var, msgavsi ram aRar ganmeordeba!~

unda gvesmodes, rom Tu „hakim

faSa” msgavss videoebs gamoaqveynebs,

amas dauyovnebeli reagireba

unda mohyves!

_ ise, „ocneba” kunTebs rom

aTamaSebs, amaSi, garkveul-

wilad, opozicis is nawilic xom

araa damnaSave, romelic parla-

mentSi Sevida, ai, magaliTad,

„girCi”, romelic piradad Tqven

gerCiT? sxvaTa Soris, elisaSvilma

da „girCma” erTxmad ga-

nacxades, „ocneba” saakaSvilis

TamaSSi Sevida da misi dabrune-

ba undao...

_ es bodvaa!

_ ratom?

_ elisaSvilma Tqva, miSa mova

da yvelas ZvlebSi dagvamtvrevso.

batoni elisaSvili Zalian

karg saqmes akeTebs da movuwodeb,

ase gaagrZelos, radgan es

„ocnebis” wevrebis demoralizaciaa!

diax, maT unda icodnen,

rom mas Semdeg, rac es xelisufleba

damTavrdeba, maT pasuxisgeba

mouwevT!

_ barem, isic miTxariT, „gir-

Ci” raRas gerCiT?

_ arafers... gind daijereT da

gind _ ara, Zalian kargi urTier-

Toba mqonda da boRma arc axla

maqvs, magram, ubralod, gamoSterebulebi,

gamoucdelebi arian

da raRac wamoayrantales,

razedac pasuxi miiRes.

_ ki ar wamoayrantales,

aramed iago xviCiam pirdapir

eTerSi „CagiSvaT”, _ erTad

„davbolebulvarTo”...

_ ra CamiSva? jer erTi,

marixuana cxovrebaSi ar momiwevia,

bavSvobaSic ki. meorec, Tu

maincdamainc vinmesTan erTad

unda momewia, „girCTan” ratom

movwevdi _ Cemi tolebi arian,

ubnelebi Tu megobrebi?

_ bolos, batono kaxa,

rogorc iuristma, miTxariT,

samarTlebrivad ra meqanizmi

arsebobs, rom e. w. melias kriz-

isi gadaiWras? samarTlebrivad,

rogorc vici, asea _ Tu ar dai-

Weren, maSin unda Tqvan, saxelm-

wifo aRar gvaqvso...

_ gadawyvetileba unda gauqmdes.

_ dapatimrebis gadawyvetileba

isev mosamarTle CaxnaSvilma

unda gaauqmos Tu sx-

vam?

_ diax, igivem, anu iuridiulad

problema araa, rom aRkve-

Tis RonisZiebis es forma Seicvalos.

_ Tu „ocneba” qvas aagdebs da

Tavs SeuSvers, ra moxdeba _

samoqalaqo dapirispireba re-

aluria?

_ diax, realuria, Tumca „ocnebam”

samoqalaqo dapirispirebis

mniSvneloba, mgoni, ar icis.

amitom ufro gasagebad unda velaparakoT!

sxvaTa Soris, gadadgomis

dros gaxariam Zalian

kargi sityva waikiTxa da, maT

Soris, polarizaciazec isaubra,

magram eWvi maqvs, rom erTujrediani

„qocebi” verc mixvdnen,

raze laparakobda.

mokled, Zalian martivad

unda vuTxraT: sisxli daiRvreba

da mTeli cxovreba cixidan

erTi Tqvenganic ver gamova!

diax, nebismieri Zaladoba da

erTi wveTi sisxlic ki imiT

daisjeba, rom gadawyvetilebis

mimRebi mTeli es jogi cixeSi

wava, Tan Zalian didi xniT!

_ im SemTxvevaSi, Tu „ocneba”

nika melias SeeSveba, magram va-

damdel saparlamento arCevnebs

ar daniSnavs, opozicia ra gzas

daadgeba?

_ masobrivi aqciebi da saer-

TaSoriso sanqciebi gardauvalia!

ar minda, erTi Zalian myrali

kaxuri sityva vTqva, magram „ocnebam”

Tavisi saqcieliT yvelas

yelSi amouyvana da amitom dandoba

arc Signidan iqneba da arc

_ garedan!

saerTod, Zalian iSviaTad

xdeba, rom opoziciuri partiis

lideri daapatimron. erTaderTi

precedenti, roca opoziciuri

partiis lideri daakaves, es

oqruaSvilis daWera iyo... mokled,

politikaSi aseTi wesia,

rom opozicioneris dakaveba ar

SeiZleba, radgan xval opozicia-

Si Sen iqnebi, zeg _ isev me...

_ Tu opozicioneri lideri

danaSauls sCadis, ar unda

daakavon?

_ ra danaSauls sCadis? Tu

danaSauli hqonda, ori weli giraoze

hyavdaT, kaco?! melias

sami Tve exvewebodnen, parlamentSi

Semodio da damnaSave maSin

ar iyo? imedi hqondaT, rom yvelas

iyididnen, magram roca

gaarkvies, rom melias ver iyididnen,

danaSauli mere gaaxsendaT.

es ki samarTalTan kavSirSi

ar aris!

_ bolo seriaSi ise xom ar

moxdeba, rom „nacebis” ofisSi

Tavad gaxariac mivides da melias

devnis Sewyveta moiTxo-

vos?

_ ar mgonia, gaxaria „nacebis”

ofisSi mivides, Tumca kargi

iqneba, Tu politikur procesSi

darCeba.

_ faqtia, ar rCeba _ premierobasTan

erTad, partiac dato-

va, Tumca xma dadis, SesaZloa,

axali partia Seqmnaso...

_ Zalian kargi iqneba, Tu gaxaria

partias Seqmnis _ „qocebis”

xmebs mTlianad wamoiRebs!

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ufro konkretulad, ra

etapzea es saqme da riT dasturdeba

SauriZis mimarT fizikuri

da fsiqologiuri Zaladoba?

„qronika+~

msjavrdebul

giorgi SauriZis advokat emzar

sabanaZes esaubra:

_ arasrulwlovani giorgi

SauriZe 2014 wels avtosatransporto

saSualebebis sarkeebis

dazianebis gamo daapatimres. man

erTi weli gaatara sasjelaRsrulebis

dawesebulebaSi. am periodSi

man eqsternad daamTavra

skola da Caabara erTiani erovnuli

gamocdebi. 2016 wlis 4

noembers giorgi imyofeboda

saburTaloze, dedamisis maRaziaSi,

sadac gaizoma tansacmeli

da es sportulebi wamoiRo, ris

Semdegac is wavida pekinis mimarTulebiT

gaCerebasTan, rom

misuliyo probaciis samsaxurSi.

miuxedavad imisa, rom is gaaTavisufles,

aRricxvaze iyo. zustad

am dros daakaves giorgi.

_ ris safuZvelze da ra vi-

TarebaSi daakaves?

_ viTarebis aRweriloba ar

gvaqvs, Tu rogor da sad daakaves

uSualod giorgi. videokamerebis

CanawerSi mxolod is nawilia,

roca giorgi ukve daakaves

da manqanisken mihyavT. giorgis

TqmiT, is idga gaCerebasTan,

roca policiebi mivardnen, sityvieri

da fizikuri Seuracxyofa

miayenes da axsna-ganmartebis

gareSe Tavisufleba aRukve-

Tes. sul 12-ma policielma miiRo

monawileoba giorgis dakavebaSi.

rac Seexeba dakavebis mizezs,

policiis versiiT, TiTqos,

giorgim wina dReebSi Caidina yaCaRoba

da swored amis gamo daakaves

igi. am nawilSi aRsaniSnavia,

rom e. w. dazaralebulis mier

damnaSavis aRweriloba saerTod

ar emTxveva giorgis aRwerilobas.

am videoCanawerebis mixedviT,

giorgis dakavebis droisTvis

(14:50), eqspertizis Tanaxmad,

giorgis SeferilobaSi gansxvavebuli

niSan-Tvisebebi ar iyo, romliTac

dadasturdeba giorgis

fizikuri dazianebebi. sisxlis

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niSnebze, policielebis mxridan

gadacdomasa da Tavisuflebis

ukanano aRkveTaze advokati emzar sabanaZe gvesaubreba.

ufro konkretulad ki 2016 wlis 3 noembers vake-saburTa-

los policiaSi gamoiZieba daiwyo sisxlis samarTlis saqmeze,

kerZod, ori moqalaqis dayaCaRebis faqtze. am saqmeze mowmis

saxiT daikiTxa giorgi SauriZe, romelmac dakiTxvisas aRiara

mis mier Cadenili faqti da igi dazaralebulmac amoic-

no. msjavrdebulis advokati emzar sabanaZe „qronika+”-sTan

acxadebs, rom giorgi SauriZe policielebma fizikuri da

fsiqologiuri Zaladobis Sedegad iZulebuli gaxades, aRi-

arebiTi Cveneba mieca. misive TqmiT, policielebma SauriZis

misamarTiT ganaxorcieles ukanono Tavisuflebis aRkveTa da

iyo rigi gadacdomebic.

qurdobis nawilSi uzenaesma sasamarTlom SauriZe gaama-

rTla, Tumca SekrebiTobis principiT mas, saerTo jamSi, 12

weli miusajes.

advokatis ganmartebiT, uzenaesis ganaCenis Tanaxmad, yaC-

aRobis nawilSi ganaCeni darCa ucvlelad, vinaidan im

droisTvis ar dadginda is faqti, rom giorgi SauriZe mowmis

saxiT micemuli Cvenebisas da amocnobaSi monawileobis dros,

aseve sagamoZiebo eqperimentSi monawileobisas iyo nacemi da

mas hqonda sxeulis dazianeba.

emzar sabanaZe:

`giorgi

SauriZisTvis

yoveli dRe

ukanono

patimrobaa!~

samarTlis saqmis masalebSi es

yvelaferi ar Cans. giorgi

masalebis mixedviT 17:40 wuTze

fiqsirdeba. gamomZiebel toraZis

TqmiT, uwyeba giorgis saku-

Tari sacxovrebeli saxlis mimdebare

teritoriaze gadaeca. am

nawilSi mniSvnelovania, rom roca

gamomZieblis TqmiT man giorgis

uwyeba gadasca, satelefono

amonaweris mixedviT, gamomZieblis

telefoni ganyofilebaSi

iyo. zustad im monakveTSi, roca

toraZis TqmiT is giorgis uwyebas

abarebda, mis telefonze

fiqsirdeba Semomavali zari

zedamxedveli prokurorisgan,

saubris xangrZlivoba ki 404 wamia.

logikurad gamiCnda kiTxva,

_ vin elaparaka prokurors am

drois ganmavlobaSi, Tu is adgilze

ar imyofeboda? toraZe am

kiTxvaze gvpasuobs, rom misTvis

ucnobia, vin esaubra prokurors.

misive TqmiT, amis Semdeg

giorgi ganyofilebaSi mivida,

Tanxmoba ganacxada amocnobasa

da sagamoZiebo moqmedebebSi

monawileobis miRebaze da aRiarebiTi

Cveneba misca. amis Semdeg

ki, toraZis TqmiT, giorgi

daakaves. paradoqsulia is, rom

gamomZiebelma toraZem dakavebis

oqmSi dazianebebi asaxa, aseve

amave oqmSi giorgis daafiqsirebina,

rom aRniSnuli dazianebebi

mas miRebuli hqonda dakavebamde.

am nawilSi maqvs kiTxvebi: Tu

giorgi 14:50 wuTze saburTaloze

daakaves, rac Canawerebidanac

Cans, maSin rogor gadasces

mas uwyeba did diRomSi sacxovrebel

saxlTan 17:40 wuTze?!

e. i. giorgi gauSves da amis

Semdeg Caabares uwyeba?! _ amaze

pasuxi aravis aqvs, radgan dokumenti

gayalbebulia. surdaT giorgisTvis

es danaSauli daebralebinaT.

damatebiT ar daukiTxavT

gamomZiebeli daviT toraZe

mis telefonze prokuroris mier

ganxorcielebul satelefono

zarTan dakavSirebiT, romlis

xangrZlivobac iyo 404 wami.

garda am yaCaRobisa, iyo meore

yaCaRobis SemTxvevac, Tumca

dazaralebulma qalbatonma

uari ganacxada giorgisTvis xelis

dadebaze. man Tqva, rom es

giorgis ar Caudenia da mas tyuilad

xels ver daadebda. Tumca

am qalbatonisgan gansxvavebiT,

meore dazarebuls xeli daadebines.

rac Seexeba aRiarebiT

Cvenebas, mas Semdeg, rac giorgize

fizikurad da moralurad

iZalades, is iZulebuli gaxades,

aRiarebis oqmze xeli moewera.

giorgis TqmiT, fizikuri zemoqmedeba

masze uSualod manqana-

Si Casmis Semdeg daiwyo da gagr-

Zelda ganyofilebaSi. policielebi

mas 4 saqmeze sTxovdnen

aRiarebas.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom dazaralebuls

giorgize daade-

bines xeli. ra gaZlevT amis

Tqmis safuZvels?

_ saqmeSi figurirebs fotosuraTi.

e. w. dazaralebulis

TqmiT, es foto mas ekuTvnis da

fotoze dedamisia gamosaxuli.

fotoze minaweria: „de, miyvarxar”,

wiTeli kalmiT ramdenjermea

gadatarebuli, Tumca ar

aris dadasturebuli, namdvilad

aris Tu ara am fotoze e. w. dazaralebulis

deda. arsebobda

varaudi, rom giorgim yaCaRobis

Semdeg es foto urnaSi gadaagdo.

sagamoZiebo eqsperimentis

dros fotosuraTi nagvis urnis

fskerze aRmoCnda. am nawilSi

sagulisxmoa, rom fotos aranairi

dazianeba ar hqonia. Tu es

foto mTeli dRis an ramdenime

saaTis ganmavlobaSi nagvis urnis

fskerze iyo, ratom ar hqonda

dazianebebi? Tan iq sayofacxovrebo

da samSeneblo narCenebic

eyara. rodesac sasamarTloze

daikiTxnen policielebi,

romlebmac am sagamoZiebo eqsperimentSi

monawileoba miiRes,

maT Tqves, rom aRniSnuli urna,

vidre Cven mividodiT, albaT,

bunebrivi kataklizmebidan gamomdinare,

gadatrialebuli

iyoo. SeuZlebelia, Zlieri qaris

an wvimis SemTxvevaSi es rkinis

urnebi gadatrialebuliyo. Cven

hidrometeorologiis centridan

cnoba gvaqvs, rom im dRes

araTu qari an wvima, aramed kargi

amindi iyo. garda amisa, e. w.

dazaralebuli ambobs, rom qiriT

cxovrobs da rom muSaobs

„sadRac”. es ar aris dadasturebuli,

ramdenad Seesabameba sinamdviles.

policia am saqmeSi

marTali rom yofiliyo, am vi-

Tarebis gamosworeba SesaZlebeli

iyo dakavebis oqmSi, sadac

aris grafa, romelSic faqtobrivi

dakavebis dro iwereba.

faqtobrivi dakavebis drod miu-

TiTebda 14:50 wuTs da saerTod

ar damalavda am sakiTxs, xolo

dokumentis Sedgenis drod miu-

TiTebdnen im saaTs, roca realurad

Seadgines. aseve maT rom

ar SeekeraT damatebiT saqme

giorgisTvis, romelic qurdobas

exeboda, ufro konkretulad ki,

rodesac giorgi SauriZes, zewolis

Sedegad, yaCaRoba aRiarebines

da Semdeg daaTvalieres,

aRmoaCnda sportuli, romelic,

rogorc ukve aRvniSne, dedamisis

maRaziidan wamoiRo. maRaziis

kamerebidanac Cans, rom giorgim

sportulebi gaizoma, ris

Semdegac maRaziidan wamoiRo,

dedamisic maRaziaSi iyo. giorgis

es nawilic Caamatebines da

aTqmevines, TiTqos es sportuli

dedamisis maRaziidan moipara.

uzenaesma sasamarTlom qurdobis

meoTxe nawilSi giorgi

saboloo ganaCeniT gaamarTla.

es yvelaferi maZlevs imis Tqmis

safuZvels, rom giorgis es saqme

Setenes. Cemda samwuxarod, me am

saqmeSi cota gvian CaverTe, saqmis

masalebSi arsebuli diskebi

ki Cemma kolega nona filaurma

miiRo, romelic Tavdapirvelad

iyo giorgis advokati. Sesabamisad,

CemTvis ucnobi gaxldaT am

diskebis Sinaarsi. erTaderTi,

saqmis masalebidan Canda, rom

diskebis moculoba iyo 37 wuTi.

saqmeSi devs diskis daTvalierebis

oqmi, romelic viTom daaTvalieres

giorgi SauriZis dedis,

TinaTin kirvaliZisa da nona

filauris TandaswrebiT. mi-

TiTebulia, rom diskebis dasaTvaliereblad

maT 37 wuTi

dasWirdaT, ra drosac qalbatonma

TinaTinma amoicno saku-

Tari Svili, romelic misuli iyo

maRaziaSi. sasamarTloze prokuraturam

is diski ar gaxsna, sadac

informacia iyo giorgis realuri

dakavebis Sesaxeb.

_ sad imyofeboda giorgi

SauriZe yaCaRobis dros?

_ es yaCaRoba moxda giorgis

sacxovrebeli saxlis mimdebare

teritoriaze. mas Semdeg, rac

policiam daadgina giorgis adgilsamyofeli,

aRmoCnda, rom is

emTxveoda danaSaulis adgils,

amitomac Seawmindes es saqme

giorgis. giorgis dakavebis mere

ori bina gaCxrikes: erTi giorgis

dedis, meore _ bebiis. gior-

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`qalaqis prokuraturas am saqmeze acileba unda mieces da aRniSnuli saqme

gadavides generalur prokuraturaSi. Cven gvaqvs safuZvliani eWvi, rom qalaqis

prokuratura ver iRebs gadawyvetilebas im policielebis mimarT, romlebic

dRes arian dawinaurebulebi da policiis maRalCinosnebad gvevlinebian~

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gis bebiis binis Cxrekisas am ukanasknelis

xelmowera gayalbebulia.

bebiis saxlidan, realurad,

araferi amouRiaT da mxolod

pirvel da bolo gverdze moawerines

xeli, sadac aRwerilobi-

Ti nawili ar aris. im gverdebze,

sadac aRwerilobiTi nawilia, bebiis

xelmowera gaayalbes. gayalbebul

xelmowerasTan dakav-

SirebiT aris samxaraulis eqpertizis

daskvna, romlis Tanaxmadac,

pirvel da bolo gverdze

namdvilad marina SauriZis

(giorgis bebia) xelmoweraa, Tumca

aRwerilobiT nawilSi xelmowera

gayalbebulia. aRniSnulis

Sesaxeb sasamarTloze mxareebma

veraferi Tqves. rogorc

bebia ambobs, Cxrekis dros policielma

mas da maT meuRles uTxra:

„xma ar amoiRoT, TqvenTvis

ase ajobebs”. bebias TqmiT, policielebma

binis Cxrekisas mas

uTxres, rom viTom misi samuSao

magididan dana amoiRes. policielis

TqmiT, es viTom amoRebuli

dana emTxveoda aRwerilobiT

im danas, romelic TiTqos

giorgim yaCaRobis dros dazaralebuls

daado. am nawilSi

mniSvnelovania, rom e. w. dazaralebuls,

rodesac giorgis

bebiis saxlidan viTom da nivTmtkicebis

saxiT „amoRebuli”

dana warudgines amosacnobad,

Tqva, rom es is dana ar ariso. es

yvelaferi exeba im sisxlis samarTlis

saqmes, romelzedac ganaCeni

dgas. giorgis am saqmeze

12 weli aqvs misjili miuxedavad

imisa, rom qurdobis meoTxe nawilSi

igi gamarTlda. SekrebiTobis

principiT, 2016 wels mas 12

weli miusajes. 2016 wels aRkve-

Tis RonisZiebis Sefardebisas

giorgim ganacxada, rom policielebma

mas miayenes fizikuri

Seuracxyofa da iZulebiT moawerines

xeli aRiarebiT Cvenebaze.

am gancxadebasTan dakavSirebiT

mosamarTlem prokurors

davaleba misca, rom reagireba

moexdina. prokurorma, kanonis

Sesabamisad, es sakiTxi gadasca

qalaqis prokuraturas. man gamo-

Ziebis nacvlad mokvleva daiwyo,

romelic ar arsebobs, aseTi

saproceso norma ar aris. gamomZiebeli

mirian deviZe, am informaciis

farglebSi, giorgisTan

zepiri gasaubrebis oqmis

Sesadgenad Sevida, giorgim ki

uTxra, rom advokatis TandaswrebiT

miscemda informacias.

maSin advokati nona filauri

iyo. gasaubrebis oqmis Sedgenas

advokatic daeswro, am oqmSi

ki weria, rom giorgi SauriZis

gancxadebiT, aRniSnuli dazianebebi

man dakavebamde gaurkvevel

viTarebaSi miiRo, dazianebebi

policielebisgan ar miuRia

da maTTan pretenzia ar gaaCnia.

am oqms xels aweren: giorgi SauriZe,

misi advokati da gamomZiebeli.

am dokumentiT saqme Sewyda.

rodesac giorgis vkiTxe, ratom

Tqva man gasaubrebis dros,

rom policielebisgan dazianeba

ar miuRia, man mipasuxa, _ advokatma

miTxra, qalaqis prokurors

SevuTanxmdi da saproceso SeTanxmebas

gagiformeben: or weliwads

realur sasjels, pirobiT-

Tan erTad, jarimis gareSe, im

SemTxvevaSi, Tu amaze momiwer

xelso. mas Semdeg, rac saqmeSi

CaverTe da giorgim am faqtis

Sesaxeb momiyva, qalbaton nonas

mxaresTan erTad vTxove, gadmoeca

saqmis masalebSi arsebuli

diskebi, rom dameTvalierebina

da gamego, ra xdeba am saqmeSi.

qalbatonma nonam rogorc diskebze,

aseve saqmis masalebis gadmocemaze

uari ganacxada da

Tqva, rom davkargeo. amis Semdeg

Suamdgomloba davayene saqmis

masalebisa da diskebis gadmocemasTan

dakavSirebiT. sasamarTlom

SesaZlebloba momca, saqmis

masalebis asli gamekeTebina,

diskebis dublikatebi ki ar momca.

amis Semdeg qalaqis prokuraturaSi

saCivari SevitaneT

giorgis cemis faqtis Sesaxeb da

aRiZra sisxlis samarTlis saqme

policielebis winaaRmdeg. saqmes

mieniWa nomeri da kvalifikacia,

magram gamoZiebis etapze sxva

danaSaulis niSnebi gamoikveTa,

maT Soris, falsifikacia, Tavisuflebis

ukanono aRkveTa. garda

amisa, aRsaniSnavia, rom giorgi

SauriZis advokati nona filauri

icavda rogorc giorgis,

aseve mowmes, mis dedas, romel-

Ta CvenebebSic winaaRmdegobaa

da, ratomRac, prokuraturam ar

daayena advokatis acilebis sakiTxi.

swored giorgis dedis

Cvenebis Semdeg wauyenes giorgis

brali, radgan dedamisma konkretul

kiTxvaze gasca ara konkretuli,

aramed savaraudo pasuxi.

am Cvenebaze ki giorgis advokatis

xelmoweraa.

_ axla ra etapzea pol-

icielebis winaaRmdeg aRZruli

saqme?

_ im avadsaxsenebeli cvlilebebis

Semdeg, rac 2010 wels miiRes

da romlis Tanaxmadac sagamoZiebo

vadebi amoiRes, viRebT

pasuxs, rom Catarda rigi sagamoZiebo

moqmedebebi da mimdinareobs

gamoZieba. qalaqis

prokuratura imizezebs eqspertizis

daskvnas, romelic kategoriulad

ar ambobs, videoCanawerebSi

aRbeWdili pirovnebebi

vin arian, mxolod or maTganze

Tqva kategoriulad. eqspertma

12 policielidan 2 amoicno,

gamoZiebis procesSi ki 3-ma policielma

sakuTari Tavi amoicno,

xolo qalaqis prokuratura amas

iyenebs sababad da Semajamebeli

gadawyvetileba ar gamoaqvs.

_ Tqven riT adasturebT

imas, rom videoCanawerze arsebuli

Tormetive piri policie-

lia?

_ Cemi saqmianobidan gamomdinare,

am policielebs yvelas

vicnob. garda amisa, videoCanawerebSi

Cans, or-orad rogor

mirbian im mxares, sadac giorgi

dgas. satelefono detaluri

amonaweriT dgindeba isic, rom

is pirebi namdvilad im adgilas

imyofebodnen. garda amisa, aRsaniSnavia,

rom am saqmem 8 gamomZiebeli

gamoicvala, maT

Soris, orma gamomZiebelma am

saqmeze TviTacileba misca. motivacia

iyo is, rom saqmeSi Candnen

maTi axloblebi da nacnobebi,

romlebTan mimarTebiTac,

rogorc isini amboben, gamoZiebas

ver daiwyebdnen. es ori gamomZiebeli

unda daikiTxos da

maT unda Tqvan, romeli pirebi

amoicnes? Tumca isini jer kidev

ar daukiTxavT da maqsimalurad

cdiloben am saqmis gaWianurebas.

Cven mier da aseve maT mier gakeTebuli

eqspertizidan gamomdinare,

dgindeba, rom giorgi

SauriZe dakavebuli iyo ara im

dros, ra droc aris dafiqsirebuli,

aramed 14:50 wuTze.

_ am etapze ras iTxovT?

_ Cven viTxovT qalaqis prokuraturam

xeli aiRos danaSaulSi

mxilebuli pirebis, maT Soris,

policielebis dafarvaze.

qalaqis prokuraturas am saqmeze

acileba unda mieces da aRni-

Snuli saqme gadavides generalur

prokuraturaSi. Cven gvaqvs

safuZvliani eWvi, rom qalaqis

prokuratura ver iRebs

gadawyvetilebas im policielebis

mimarT, romlebic dRes arian

dawinaurebulebi da policiis

maRalCinosnebad gvevlinebian.

vinaidan qalaqis prokuratura

maTTan mimarTebiT ver iRebs

gadawyvetilebas, saqme unda gadaeces

generalur prokuraturas,

rom igi daasrulos. gamoikiTxos

zedamxedveli prokurori

grigol niSnianiZe da is ori gamomZiebeli

beqa kopaliani da

vaJa gamezardaSvili, romelmac

`viTxovT, qalaqis prokuraturam

xeli aiRos danaSaulSi mxilebuli

policielebis dafarvaze~

es saqme aicila. bolos da bolos,

daikiTxos yvela, vinc dasakiTxia

da miiRos Semajamebeli

gadawyvetileba. giorgi SauriZisTvis

yoveli dRe ukanono patimrobaa.

_ ras moeliT am saqmeze?

_ pasiuri molodini maqvs,

radgan sagamoZiebo vadebi kanoniT

ar aris gansazRvruli,

ubralod, xandazmulobis vadaa,

romelic Zalian didia. sanam ase-

Ti sakiTxebisadmi politikuri

ganwyoba ar Seicvleba, rTulia

pozitiuri molodinis qona. is

policielebi, romlebmac, savaraudod,

danaSauli da gadacdoma

Caidines, dResac moqmedni

arian. metic: bevri maTgani dawinaurebulia.

am yvelafris gasajaroeba

sistemuri danaSaulis

niSnebs Seicavs. im Cvenebidan gamomdinare,

rac giorgim misca,

ara mxolod policielebze, aramed

zedamxedvel prokurorzec

aris saubari. rogorc giorgi

Tavis CvenebaSi ambobs, zedamxedveli

prokurori eswreboda sagamoZiebo

moqmedebasa da amocnobas.

„qronika+~ giorgi SauriZis

ojaxs daukavSirda, romelsac

advokat nona filauris mimarT

kiTxvebi aqvs:

_ zepiri gasaubrebis oqmSi,

romelic merve dawesebulebaSi

gamomZiebelma mirian deviZem

Seadgina, weria, rom giorgi SauriZe

policielebis mxridan misi

misamarTiT fizikur da fsiqologiur

Zaladobas uaryofs da

acaxdebs, rom policielebis mimarT

pretenzia ar gaaCnia. ojaxs

filaurTan aqvs kiTxvebi, _ ratom

moawerina xeli giorgi SauriZes

da Tavadac ratom awers

oqmze xels? riT iyo im faqtobrivi

garemoebebis uaryofa ganpirobebuli,

rac maT ganacxades

aRkveTis RonisZiebisas? SegaxsenebT:

aRkveTis RonisZiebisas

mosamarTlis winaSe braldebulma

giorgi SauriZem da advokatma

ganacxades, rom policielebma

fizikuri da fsiqologiuri

zewolis Sedegad aiZules dana-

Saulis aRiareba.

advokati nona filauri ojaxis

kiTxvebs pasuxobs da acxadebs,

rom giorgi SauriZes samarTliani

sasamarTlos imedi

ar hqonda da swored amitom

Tavad braldebulma sTxova mas,

saproceso SeTanxmebis kuTxiT

emuSava:

„mikvirs, ratom aqvs ojaxs

kiTxvebi CemTan an ratom unda

vesaubrebodeT erTmaneTs gaze-

Tis meSveobiT? magram es Tu Cemi

dacvis qveS myof giorgi SauriZis

interess waadgeba, ra Tqma

unda, sawinaaRmdego araferi

maqvs.

diax, sanam giorgisTan gamomZiebeli

Seadgenda oqms, mas calke

vesaubre da man Tavisi survili

kvlav gamimeora saproceso SeTanxmebasTan

dakavSirebiT, radgan

arc samarTliani sasamarTlosa

da arc obieqturi gamoZiebis

imedi ar hqonda.

gagrZeleba me-18 gv.

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me-17 gverdidan

- mTxova, rom am kuTxiT memuSava.

metic: miTxra, _ is, rom

gareT gamamarTlebeli ganaCeni-

Tac gamosuliyo, mas mainc ar

moasvenebdnen policielebi.

SemdgomSi me, ra Tqma unda,

Cemi surviliT miveci Cveneba gamomZiebels,

sadac ganvmarte, Tu

ram gamoiwvia, rom giorgim policielebis

mier misi cemis faqti

ar daadastura da diskis saxiT

gadaveci ojaxs aRkveTis Ronis-

Ziebis ganxilvis sxdomis oqmi.

Tu zustad maxsovs, _ gamoZiebasac,

sadac sakmaod kargadaa

dazustebuli da dasabuTebuli

rogorc Cemi, ise giorgis pozicia”,

_ ganmartavs filauri.

advokatisve TqmiT, swored

giorgi SauriZis dedis mier

micemulma Cvenebam mohfina

naTeli zereled mopovebul mtkicebulebebsa

da qurdobis nawilSi

giorgi SauriZe gamarTlda:

„me giorgi SauriZis dacva

daviwye misi dakavebis Semdeg,

roca is imyofeboda winaswari

dakavebis izolatorSi da mas

brali, rogorc maxsovs, jer ar

hqonda wardgenili. is Zalian

daTrgunuli iyo, brali edeboda

yaCaRobaSi da danaSauli mowmis

saxiT dakiTxvis dros aRiarebuli

hqonda. gamikvirda es

aCqareba gamoZiebis mxridan da

daviwye misi gamokiTxva, davuTvaliere

sxeuli. miTxra, rom

iyo axali naoperaciebi da iyo

sustad, TvalTan hqonda silurje

da miTxra, rom policielebma

igi scemes. aman sastikad imoqmeda

Cemze da sasamarTlo sxdomis

dros, rodesac misi aRkveTis

RonisZiebis sakiTxi ixileboda,

es xmamaRla gavaJRereT. giorgi

mainc Tavs ikavebda Civilze da

Tqva, rom policielebi mas gadaekidebodnen,

ar moasvenebdnen,

arc sasamarTlos imedi hqonda,

rom mis mimarT gamamarTlebeli

ganaCeni dadgeboda. daviwye prokuraturasTan

zepirsityvierad

molaparakeba saproceso SeTanxmebasTan

dakavSirebiT misi

survilidan gamomdinare, paralelur

reJimSi. xolo manamde

giorgis gamoZiebis etapze brali

wauyenes qurdobisTvisac.

Cemi TandaswrebiT daikiTxa

deda, romelmac gamoZiebis mier

zereled da subieqturad mopovebul

mtkicebulebebs naTeli mohfina

da qurdobis nawilSi giorgi

kidevac gamarTlda Semdgom

etapze”, _ acxadebs filauri.

`giorgis TqmiT, fizikuri zemoqmedeba masze

uSualod manqanaSi Casmis Semdeg daiwyo da

gagrZelda ganyofilebaSi. policielebi mas 4

saqmeze sTxovdnen aRiarebas~

rac Seexeba imas, rom filauri

icavda rogorc giorgi SauriZes,

aseve mowmes, mis dedas,

amasTan dakavSirebiT advokati

ganmartavs: „mowme iyo deda, romelic

absoluturad iZleoda

giorgisTvis sasargeblo Cvenebas.

es ar iyo interesTa konfliqti,

Sesabamisad, amis saSualeba momca

gamoZiebam, aman didi sargebeli

moutana giorgis da ratom ar

unda gamomeyenebina es?”

nona filauri pasuxobs sabanaZes,

romlis TqmiTac, filaurma

mas uTxra, rom saqmeSi arsebuli

diskebi daekarga. filauris

TqmiT, es simarTles ar

Seesebameba:

„sasamarTloSi arsebiTi ganxilvis

dros CemTan erTad Caer-

To advokati emzar sabanaZe. man

marTlac mTxova saqmis masalebi.

me ofiss vicvlidi da radgan

saqmis masalebi swrafad sWirdeboda,

SevTavaze, rom ar damegvianebina,

gamogveTxova sasamarTlodan,

Tanac sasamarTlos

amis mizezs me TviTon ganvumartavdi.

es iyo Cveulebrivi samuSao

procesi Cven Soris da interviuSi

amaze aqcentis gakeTebas

ar vici, ra datvirTva hqonda,

miT umetes, aman aranairad ar

daazarala Cveni dacvis qveS myofis

interesebi”, _ acxadebs

filauri.

afxazuri rkinigza da saxelmwifo Ralati

rogorc cnobilia, bolo 8 wlis manZilze

Tengiz abloTia

drodadro iwyeba saubari afxazeTis rkinigzis

gaxsnis Taobaze. es Tema periodulad ganixileba

ruseTisa da saqarTvelos, aseve somxeTisa da saqarTvelos warmomadgenlebs

Soris da zogjer saqme ise Sorsac midis, rom iqmneba STabeWdileba, TiTqos

es sakiTxi ukve gadawyvetilia da sul ramdenime TveSi sarkinigzo moZraoba

Tbilissa da soxums Soris, bolos da bolos, aRdgeba.

amas aseve xeli Seuwyo ruseTsa da saqarTvelos

Soris 2011 wels miRweulma

SeTanxmebam derefnebis Sesaxeb, romelic

moZraobis aRdgenas Sveicariuli kerZo

kompaniis kontrolis qveS gulisxmobs.

es saubari gaxSirda 2020 wlis yarabaxis

omSi somxeTis mZime marcxis Semdeg.

amjerad gzis gaxsnis iniciativiT afxazuri

mxare gamodis, romelic aqamde am

sakiTxiT saerTod ar interesdeboda.

da piriqiT, somxeTi, romelic wina

wlebSi afxazuri tranzitis gaxsnis sakiTxs

periodulad ayenebda, dRes dums.

albaT gasagebia, ratomac, _ omSi wagebuli

erevani sakuTari marcxis pozitivad

qcevasa da mezobel qveynebTan _ azerbaijanTan

da TurqeTTan _ gzebis gaxsnas

cdilobs.

aravin icis, es rodis moxdeba da

moxdeba Tu ara saerTod, Tumca calsaxaa,

rom prioriteti Seicvala _ somxeTi

satransporto marSrutebis diversificirebas

ecdeba, qarTuli mimarTuleba

ki (da masTan erTad afxazeTis rkinigza)

eqskluziur mniSvnelobas dakargavs.

afxazeTs piriqiT, adre cxviris abzuebis

fufuneba hqonda, dRes ki, rodesac

misi mTavari ekonomikuri aqtivi _ rkinigza

_ mniSvnelobis dakargvis zRvarzea,

soxumi iZulebulia, iCqaros da

moZraobis aRdgena somxeT-azerbaijanis

sazRvris gaxsnamde unda moaxerxos.

mTel am oromtrialSi gadamwyveti sityva

Tbiliss ekuTvnis _ albaT, es er-

18

TaderTi sakiTxia dedamiwis zurgze, romelSic

saqarTvelos vinme rames ekiTxeba.

8-wlian gancxadebebsa da konsultaciebs

aqamde konkretuli Sedegi ar mohyolia

da gasagebia, ratomac _ dRevandel

viTarebaSi, afxazeTis sakiTxis dauregulireblobis

pirobebSi, rkinigzis

amuSaveba namdvili saxelmwifo Ralati

iqneboda.

adamianTa jgufi, romelic moZraobas

gaxsnis _ xval aucileblad wardgeba

sasamarTlos winaSe da cxovrebis dasasruls

cixeSi Sexvdeba. xelisuflebas es

kargad esmis _ „qocoba“ mudmivi araa da,

adre Tu gvian, maT opoziciaSi gadasvla

mouwevT, xolo damatebiTi sisxlis samarTlis

saqmisTvis safuZvlis Seqmna

aravis surs.

am sakiTxze xSirad amboben: „mTavaria

politikuri SeTanxmeba, danarCeni ki teqnikuri

sakiTxia”.

ar iqneboda gasakviri „politikuri

SeTanxmeba” im qveynis mxridan, romelic

wina xelisuflebis erT-erT danaSaulad

ergneTis bazrobis daxurvas miiCnevs _

sazogadoeba, romelic ver acnobierebs,

ramdenad fundamenturad damangreveli

iyo uzarmazari kontrabanduli wyaros

arseboba, miT umetes ver mixvdeba, ramdenad

antisaxelmwifoebrivi iqneba afxazeTis

rkinigzis gaxsna.

qveyana, romelic „afxazebisa da osebis

Semorigebis” iluziisTvis mzad iyo,

sakuTari saxelmwifos ganadgurebaze

Tvalebi daexuWa, albaT, arc rkinigzis

amuSavebas miiCnevda did danaSaulad.

Tumca erTia sazogadoebrivi azri,

meore ki realoba, romelic rkinigzis

gaxsnisTvis, faqtobrivad, afxazeTis

damoukideblobis aRiarebas moiTxovs.

„teqnikuri sakiTxebi” am SemTxvevaSi

politikur nebaze bevrad ufro mniSvnelovania.

davuSvaT, rkinigza gaixsna. romeli

qveynis sasazRvro punqti da sabaJo idgeba

engurze da fsouze? ruseTidan fsous

gavliT Semodis satvirTo matarebeli.

romel qveyanaSi Sedis is _ saqarTvelo-

Si Tu „damoukidebel afxazeTSi”? Tbilisidan

mimavali matarebeli kveTs engurs.

ra xdeba engurze? aris es saqarTvelos

erT-erTi regionis administraciuli

sazRvari, Tu _ karibWe damoukidebel

afxazeTSi?

es ara teqnikuri, aramed fundamenturi

sakiTxia, romlis gadawyvetac Seu-

Zlebelia. afxazebi engurze sakuTar mesazRvreebsa

da mebaJeebs daayeneben da

matarebeli saqarTvelodan „afxazeTis

respublikaSi” Seva. gasagebia, rom nebismieri

xelisufali TbilisSi, romelic am

kapitulacias xels moawers, iqneba moRalate,

Sesabamisi SedegebiT.

saqarTveloSi did imedebs amyareben

Sveicariul kerZo kompaniaze, romelic

fsousa da engurze tvirTebs gaakontrolebs.

Tumca es mkvdradSobili ideaa da misi

mizani 2011 wels erTaderTi iyo _

saqarTvelos ruseTi msoflio savaWro

organizaciaSi unda SeeSva, oRond saxis

SenarCunebis pirobebSi.

maimunuri SeTanxmeba, romelic gulisxmobs,

rom qveyana sakuTari sazRvrebis

kontrols gaurkvevel ucxour kerZo

kompanias gadaabarebda, Tavidanve iyo

Cafiqrebuli, rogorc, mxolod da mxolod,

saxis SenarCunebis saSualeba da

ara SeTanxmeba, romelic marTlac unda

Sesruldes. sazRvris, rogorc politikuris,

aseve ekonomikuris, kontroli

aris saxelmwifos eqskluziuri valdebuleba,

romelic veranairad daekisreba

ucxour kerZo kompanias.

rkinigzis gaxsna „Sveicariuli kontrolis”

pirobebSi iseTive saxelmwifo

Ralatia, rogorc Cveulebrivi gaxsna,

yovelgvari derefnebis gareSe.

imedia, „qarTuli ocneba” amas acnobierebs

da afxazebis iniciativa amJamadac

iniciativis doneze darCeba.

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mexuTe gverdidan

rogorc zemoT ukve aRvniSneT,

ramdenime kviris win man aw

ukve yofil premiers postis

datoveba mosTxova, razedac

uari miiRo.

misi ocneba wesiT, 18 Tebervals,

biZina ivaniSvilis dabadebis

dReze unda amxdariyo. gaxariam

am dRes datova Tanamdeboba.

irakli kobaxiZem partiis

liderebTan erTad sagangebo

gancxadeba gaakeTa, sadac gvamcno,

rom partiis politsabWo

Seikribeboda da premierobis

erTxel scades ivaniSvilTan

dakavSireba. am SemTxvevaSi is

ufro kontaqturi gamodga da

daibara, _ sia CamowereT, premieris

postze vis kandidaturebs

ganixilavTo.

ivaniSvils gaugzavnes sia.

siaSi kandidatebi ase iyvnen

warmodgenilni: irakli kobaxiZe,

kaxa kalaZe, Tea wulukiani,

maia cqitiSvili ekaterine tikaraZe

da irakli RaribaSvili.

ivaniSvilisgan aseTi pasuxi miiRes,

premieri is iqneba, romelic

siaSi boloao, _ gviyveba

Cveni wyaro.

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nen. Tavad kalaZec ministri da

SeTavsebiT vice-premieri iyo.

RaribaSvilis sasargeblod

miRebuli gadawyvetileba rom

kobaxiZisTvis mexis dacema iyo,

es mas saxezec etyoboda. aranakleb

tragikuli gamometyveleba

hqonda mamuka mdinaraZes

da kaxa kalaZes.

partia rame SarSi rom ar

gaexvia da kobaxiZe odnav damSvidebuliyo,

arCil TalakvaZem

misi ordeniT dajildoeba

gadawyvita. es ordeni partiis

Tavmjdomares, albaT, odnav

eama, magram is RaribaSvilis

Tqva ministris savarZlis dakavebaze.

Tu gaviTvaliswinebT

imas, rom cqitiSvili ivaniSvilis

ndobiT aRWurvili piria,

ar unda gagvikvirdes, rom is

raRac formiT mainc mogvevlinos

xelisuflebaSi.

ras izams kalaZe?

rogorc zemoT ukve aRvniSneT,

premierobis ambiciebi kaxa

kalaZesac hqonda. is am postisTvis

maSin apirebda brZolas,

roca meris uflebamosileba

amoewureboda. mogexsenebaT,

am Semodgomaze TviTmmar-

am pasuxma irakli kobaxiZe

srul isterikaSi Caagdo.

RaribaSvilis premierad dasaxeleba

misTvis sruli Soki iyo

da ara mxolod imitom, rom is

eloda premierobas. kobaxiZesa

da kalaZes RaribaSvilTan seriozuli

uTanxmoeba aqvT. wlebis

winaT, roca is premierobidan

gauSves, amaSi lomis wili

kobaxiZe-kalaZis wy-ils ekuTvnis.

maT ahqondaT marCenalTan

RaribaSvilze kompromatebi.

kalaZem mas ministrebi aumxedra.

misi waqezebiT mTavrobis

premieris zarebs ar pasuxobd-

mieweva Tu

ara kaxa

kalaZe

giorgi

gaxarias?

kandidats meore dRes daasaxelebdnen.

premieris kandidatura

imave saRamos dasaxelda,

manamde ki „qarTuli ocnebis”

ofisSi namdvili drama

gaTamaSda.

irakli kobaxiZes egona, rom

yvela mis gapremierebas dau-

Werda mxars, magram ase ar moxda.

atyda erTi ambavi. rogorc

Cveni wyaro gviyveba, irakli

kobaxiZe dedis ginebazec ki

gadavida.

saqmeSi saqarTveloSi aSS-is

elCic ki Caeria. is amaod cdilobda

biZina ivaniSvilTan komunikaciis

damyarebas. meocnebeTa

isterikis Semxedvare keli

degnanma isic ki Tqva, amitom ar

mindoda, rom ivaniSvili politikidan

wasuliyoo.

marCenalTan dakavSirebas

„ocnebis” liderebi Tavadac

cdilobdnen. imis garkveva

surdaT, premieris postze vis

dauWerda mxars. ivaniSvili maT

zarebs ar pasuxobda. kacs dabadebis

dRe hqonda da ar ecala.

Semdeg masTan Suamavali

miagzavnes.

rogorc Cveni wyaro gviyveba,

Suamavalma maT ivaniSvilis

danabarebi gadmosca, romelic

sityva-sityviT ase JRerda:

„dagiWamiaT erTmaneTi”. eseni

isedac erTmaneTs Wamdnen. gansakuTrebiT

irakli kobaxiZe

iyo gamwarebuli, romelsac

Tavi ukve premieris savarZel-

Si warmoedgina.

„ocnebis” liderebma kidev

`partia rame SarSi rom ar

gaexvia da kobaxiZe odnav

damSvidebuliyo, arCil

TalakvaZem misi ordeniT

dajildoeba gadawyvita. es

ordeni partiis Tavmjdomares,

albaT, odnav eama, magram is

RaribaSvilis premierobas ar

Seegueba~

premierobas ar Seegueba. kobaxiZe-kalaZis

klani parlamentSi

seriozulad aris warmodgenili.

saparlamento kuluarebSi

gavrcelda informacia, rom

SesaZlebeli iyo RaribaSvilis

kandidaturis Cagdeba.

irakli RaribaSvilisTvis

premieroba ioli namdvilad ar

iqneba. manac Zalian kargad

icis, rom gundi mas seriozul

problemebs Seuqmnis. mas mowinaaRmdegeebi

partiaSic hyavs,

parlamentSic da mTavrobaSic.

is da gomelauri erTmaneTTan

kargad ver arian. mas arc susis

ufrosi liluaSvili swyalobs.

dacvis saxelmwifo samsaxuris

ufros anzor CubiniZesTanac

seriozuli problemebi

aqvs. rodesac RaribaSvili pirvelad

gaxda premieri, anzor

CubiniZem saxelmwifo dacvis

samsaxuris posti datova.

RaribaSvili maia cqitiSvilTanac

ver poulobda saer-

To enas. is mTavrobis administraciis

ufrosad biZina ivaniSvilis

premierobis dros dainiSna.

am postze RaribaSvilis

drosac darCa, magram mas aravin

arafers ekiTxeboda. misi

poziciebi ivaniSvilma gaamyara

da mogvianebiT swored maia

cqitiSvilis piriT SeuTvala

RaribaSvils, premieris posti

datoveo.

RaribaSvili arc maia cqitiSvils

exateba guls. mixvda,

rom ganaxlebul mTavrobaSi

ver imuSavebda da amitom uari

Tvelobis arCevnebi tardeba da

misi merobac dasruldeba. Tumca

is axlac mzad iyo, daetovebina

meris posti da premierobis

kandidati yofiliyo. „ocnebis”

Semqmnelma arCevani RaribaSvilze

gaakeTa. es kalaZis-

Tvisac erTgvari gamowvevaa.

„ocnebis” kuluarebSi ukve elodebian,

rom kaxa kalaZe partias

datovebs da damoukidebel

TamaSs daiwyebs.

kalaZis partiidan SesaZlo

gasvlaze gundSi ukve karga

xania, saubroben. amisTvis mas

sakuTari gundic hyavs da sakuTari

finansebic aqvs. rogorc

amboben, man ukrainaSic am mizniT

gayida Tavisi biznesi. kalaZis

gadawyvetileba imazec

iqneba damokidebuli, Tu rogor

ganviTardeba movlenebi.

opozicia TiTqmis darwmunebulia,

rom saqme vadamdel arCevnebamde

miva. Tu vadamdeli

arCevnebi marTlac dainiSna,

maSin kalaZe namdvilad gaemijneba

„qarTul ocnebas”. ar

aris gamoricxuli, man opoziciasTanac

iTanamSromlos. mas

gansakuTrebiT kargi urTier-

Toba aqvs TiTqmis daSlili „evropuli

saqarTvelos” wevrebTan.

arc is unda dagvaviwydes,

rom odesRac saakaSvilis didi

mexotbe da mxardamWeri iyo.

misi mxardaWera arc axla

gauWirdeba. gaaCnia, ra viTareba

iqneba. qarTul politikaSi

yvelaferi mosula.

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bolo Tveebi, dasavleTi saqa-

Sorena marsagiSvili

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velos mimarT interess aRar iC-

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enda. gansakuTrebiT Cveni amerike-

li megobrebi pasiurobdnen. gasul

kviras ganviTarebulma movlenebma Cveni qveyana kvlav aqtualur

Temad aqcia. saqarTveloSi mimdinare procesebs gamoexmaura

ruseTic. rusi komunisti gavrilovi, romelic „qarTulma ocnebam”

spikeris savarZelSi Casva da Cveni damoukidebloba waabil-

wvina, aRtacebas ver malavda, rom ivaniSvilis partia misi mag-

inebeli nika melias dakavebas apirebda. amis gamo rusuli mediac

bednierad aWylopinda. samagierod, dasavleTi gadairia da wina

kviras dawyebuli Sturmi isev grZeldeba.

ra Setyobinebebi modis

dasavleTidan? emuqreba Tu

ara ivaniSvils sanqciebi? ra-

tom aris vadamdeli arCevnebi

gardauvali? _ amis Sesaxeb

leiboristuli partiis wevri

beJan naTelaSvili „qronika+”-

s esaubreba.

_ batono beJan, raRac peri-

odi dasavleTs saqarTvelo

uyuradRebod hyavda mitove-

buli. miuxedavad imisa, rom

opozicia boikots agrZelebda,

dasavleTisgan

saTanado

reaqciebi ar iyo, gasul kviras

ki viTareba radikalurad Se-

icvala. maincdamainc opozici-

uri partiis ofisis Sturmi

unda daegegmaT, rom evropasa

da amerikas sakuTari pozicia

daefiqsirebina?

_ dasavleTi saTanado yuradRebas

rom ver iCenda Cveni

qveynis mimarT, es ramdenime

mizeziT iyo ganpirobebuli.

amerikas CvenTvis obieqturi

mizezebis gamo ar ecala. mogexsenebaT,

rom iq saprezidento

arCevnebi Catarda da damarcxebuli

donald trampi Zalauflebis

uzurpacias cdilobda.

misi momxreebi mimdinare wlis

dasawyisSi kapitoliumis SenobaSic

ki SeiWrnen. dalagda amerikaSi

viTareba da CvenTvisac

moicales.

_ aSS-is prezidenti trampi

rom aRar aris, es seriozulad

etyoba amerikelebis reaqcias.

_ trampis wasvla saqarTveloze

sasikeTod aisaxeba. gansakuTrebiT

sasixaruloa, rom

misi siZe kuSneri CamoSorda

TeTr saxls.

_ kuSneri leiboristebis

„sayvareli” personaa. Salva

naTelaSvili xSirad axsenebda

xolme mas. amtkicebda, misi daxmarebiT

agvarebs biZina iva-

niSvili amerikasTan saqmeebso.

_ Salva naTelaSvili srul

simarTles ambobda. mec igives

gavimeoreb: is ugvarebda russ

oligarqs TeTr saxlTan da

trampTan saqmeebs. misi saxiT

ivaniSvilma mTavari lobisti

dakarga. lobistis dakargva rasac

niSnavda, ivaniSvilma kargad

gaacnobiera da politikidan

gauCinarda. „ocnebas” amerika-

Si patroni da momgvarebeli

rom aRar hyavs, aSkara da TvalsaCinoa.

dasavleTis dumilis meore

mizezi iyo is, rom isini Cven

gvakvirdebodnen. evropa da

amerika ruseTi araa, rom sxva

qveynis saqmeebSi uxeSad Caerion

da raRacis gakeTeba gvibr-

Zanon. isini swavlobdnen aq Seqmnil

viTarebas da uyurebdnen,

Tu ra nabijebs dgamda opozicia.

Cven rom ar gveaqtiura da

boikotis reJimSi ar davrCeniliyaviT,

dasavleTi Cven

nacvlad ar gaaprotestebda

gayalbebul arCevnebs.

amdenxniani dakvirvebis Semdeg

dasavleTma dainaxa Cveni

protesti da erToba. evropam

da amerikam isic dainaxa, rom

arasamTavrobo seqtori da mosaxleoba

Cven mxares dgas. yvela

erTad ki vupirispirdebiT

„qarTul ocnebas”, romelsac

qarTuli saxelmwifo mZevlad

hyavs ayvanili. amis Semdeg daiwyes

dasavlelma megobrebma

TavianTi poziciebis dafiqsireba.

_ poziciebi mxolod maSin

daafiqsires, rac gaiges, rom

nika melias dakavebis mizniT

xelisufleba „nacionalebis“

ofisze Sturmis ganxorciele-

bas apirebda.

_ es iyo sruli sigiJe.

„qarTul ocnebaSi” Wkua aravis

moekiTxeba. vinc odnav mainc

azrovnebda, iman es gaaprotesta

da Tanamdeboba datova. amiT

man didi ubedureba agvacila

Tavidan, magram giorgi gaxarias

imdeni codva awevs zurgze,

mis am saqciels gmirobad ver

Sevafaseb. arc im sayovelTao

aRfrTovanebas viziareb, rac

mis mimarT socialur qseleb-

Sia.

_ Sesabamisad, arc mis fo-

tos daalaiqebdiT.

_ ra Tqma unda, ar davalaiqe.

es laiqebi ar momewona, magram

aman xelisufleba SeiZleba,

azrze moiyvanos.

_ gaxarias laiqebma „ocne-

ba” rogor unda moiyvanos

azrze?

_ Zalian martivad. „qarTul

ocnebaSi”, albaT, kargad acnobiereben,

rom gaxariam amdeni

laiqi imis gamo ar miiRo, rom

xalxs igi uyvars. xalxma mas

mxolod imitom daulaiqa, rom

am sazizRari xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg wavida. Cvens mosaxleobas

imdenad yelSi amouvida

„qarTuli ocneba”, rom nebismiers

daulaiqebda, vic aseT

nabijs gadadgamda.

_ kalaZec moagrovebda am-

den mowonebas?

_ aucileblad.

_ odiozuri irakli kobax-

iZe?

_ Tqven warmoidgineT, isic

ki miiRebda laiqebs. saxelsa da

gvars mniSvneloba ar aqvs, aq

mTavari moqmedeba da faqtia.

gaxarias gadadgomam, faqtobrivad,

Camoangria xelisufleba.

_ amas bevri ambobs da es

Camongreva riT gamoixateba?

_ pirvel rigSi imiT, rom

dasawyobebuli masala, RaribaSvilis

saxiT, Semoabrunes da

xelaxla gaapremieres. ar

dagvaviwydes isic, rom es batoni

„qarTul ocnebaSi” yvelaze

odiozuri fuguraa.

_ kobaxiZeze odiozuria?

_ bevrad ufro odiozuria.

man araerTxel aCvena yvelas,

Tu rogori araadekvaturia.

dasavleTis aseTi mwvave Sturmis

Semdeg RaribaSvilis premierobas

fasi daekarga, iseve

rogorc ivaniSvilis droebiT

gauCinarebas. SeiZleba, dasavleTSi

marTlac daijeres, rom

rusi oligarqi ganerida poli-

beJan naTelaSvili:

`nacionaluri

moZraobis~ ofisis

Sturms apirebdnen da

Tavad gaiSturmnen~

tikas, magram rogorc ki RaribaSvili

moabrunes, yvela darwmunda,

rom oligarqi arsad wasula.

ivaniSvili am gadawyvetilebaSi

rom ar Careuliyo,

premieris posts irakli kobaxiZe

daikavebda. is didi xania

cdilobs am postis dakavebas.

premierad kobaxiZeze ufro

odiozuri waradgines da dasavleTis

reaqciamac ar daayovna.

_ ise, karga xania, dasavle-

li partniorebisgan aseTi

mwvave Sefasebebi ar mogvisme-

nia.

_ es mxolod dasawyisia, win

ufro mwvave Sefasebebi gvelis.

aravin gaatarebs imas, rom

opoziciuri partiis liders

ukve meored mouxsnes deputatis

imuniteti. pirvelad „ocneba”

ase 2019 wels moiqca.

_ sanam meored mouxsnidnen

deputatis imunitets, kaci

sxva opozicionerebTan erTad

ixveweboda, deputatoba Segvi-

wyviteTo, magram „ocnebam” ar

qna, ori kviris Tavze ki melias

imuniteti mouxsnes.

_ uflebamosilebis arSew-

`qarTul ocnebaSi~, albaT, kargad

acnobiereben, rom gaxariam amdeni laiqi imis

gamo ar miiRo, rom xalxs igi uyvars. xalxma

mas mxolod imitom daulaiqa, rom am

sazizRari xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg wavida~

yveta calke Temaa. mas Semdeg,

rac erTpartiulma parlamentma

muSaoba daiwyo, opozicia

ixveweba, uflebamosileba SegviwyviteTo,

magram ar akeTeben.

aRsaniSnavia is faqtic, rom

maTi deputatad cnobac ar iyo

mTlad kanonieri.

_ ratom ar iyo kanonieri?

_ parlamentis wevrma unda

Caabaros narkotesti. opozicias

es testi ar gauvlia. isini

deputatobaze uars amboben

da am Semowmebis gavla saWirod

ar miiCnies. Sesabamisad, maTi

deputatad cnoba iyo ukanono.

es „ocnebaSic” kargad icodnen,

magram amas yuradReba ar miaqcies.

maTTvis mTavari iyo, msoflio

daerwmunebinaT, TiTqos

parlamenti erTpartiuli araa.

aqedan Cans, rom „ocnebis”

qmedebebSi aranairi logika ar

aris. yvelaferi gaanules, maT

Soris, ekonomika.

„qarTuli ocneba” Zalian

rTul dReSia, man saxelmwifo

mZevlad aiyvana da yvelaferze

midis, oRond ki Zalaufleba

SeinarCunos. es mcdeloba mas

Zviri daujdeba. dasavleTi

ukve Ria muqarazea gadasuli.

devid kramerma pirdapir Tqva,

rom ivaniSvils sanqciebi unda

dauwesdes. dasavleTi ivaniSvils

aRar endoba. evropac da

amerikac mieCvia, rom is dadebul

pirobas arasdros Seasrulebs

da ise moiqceva, rogorc

mas awyobs. 2019 wels man

piroba dado, rom 2020 wels

saqarTveloSi saparlamento

arCevnebi srulad proporciuli

wesiT Catardeboda. es ambavi

man salome zurabiSvils

gaeros tribunaze gaaxmaurebina.

mTel msoflios uTxra, saarCevno

kodeqss vcvliTo da

roca saqme kenWisyramde mivida,

Tavis mona deputatebs cvlilebebi

Caagdebina. aravin daijera,

rom misi monebi ajanydnen

da ivaniSvilis nebis winaaRmdeg

cvlilebebi Caagdes. ase rom,

misi aravis sjera. dasavleTi

mas aucileblad agebinebs pasuxs.

axla Cveni megobrebi dialogisken

mogviwodeben.

_ xelisuflebasTan dia-

logs azri aqvs?

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SeuZlia `ocnebis~ gadarCena~

_ dialogs azri rogor ar

aqvs. dialogma moitana, rom

gasuli wlis martSi SeTanxmeba

gaformda.

_ bevri am SeTanxmebas

opoziciis Secdomad afasebs.

_ me mimaCnia, rom Secdoma

iyo. sxva Tu araferi, ori

politpatimris daxsna Sev-

ZeliT cixidan. cota meti principuli

pozicia rom gamogveCina,

ruruac datovebda cixes.

dRes „qocebi“ xSirad ixseneben

mis warsuls. mec bevri rame

msmenia, Tu ra xdeboda 90-ian

wlebSi. faqti is gaxlavT, rom

giorgi rurua im ambebze ar

dauWeriaT. mas iaraRi Caudes.

veravin damajerebs, rom giorgi

rurua, romelsac saxlSi 50-

mde registrirebuli iaraRi

aqvs, araregistrirebuli iaraRiT

gamovidoa quCaSi.

_ marto quCaSi ki ara, mit-

ingze. rurua im periodSi

opoziciis mitingebs eswrebo-

da da iq araviTar SemTxvevaSi

ar mividoda araregistrirebu-

li iaraRiT.

_ ra Tqma unda. mas es iara-

Ri Caudes. is daisaja imitom,

rom opoziciis mxares idga da

mTavari arxis erT-erTi damfuZnebelia.

samwuxarod, ruruas

gamoyvana ver movaxerxeT.

arada, SeTanxmeba miRweuli iyo.

_ am SeTanxmebaze „qarTuli

ocneba” ambobda, politpatim-

rebis ganTavisuflebis Temaze

ar SevTanxmebulvarTo.

_ usircxvilod ityuebodnen.

maT dasavleli partniorebisac

ki ar SercxvaT, romelTa

TandaswrebiTac gaformda es

SeTanxmeba. es dasavleTs ar daviwyebia

da „qarTul ocnebas”

amazec mosTxoven pasuxs. is

Sturmi, rac axla „ocnebaze”

daiwyo, kidev ufro mZime saxes

miiRebs. „nacionaluri moZraobis“

ofisis Sturms apirebdnen

da Tavad gaiSturmnen. vadamdeli

arCevnebi Tu ar dainiSna, es

Sturmi, rac axla dasavleTidan

modis, monagoni iqneba.

_ kaxa kalaZe ambobs, rom

molaparakebebisTvis

kari

Riaa, magram ramdenad isau-

breben vadamdel arCevnebze,

egaa sakiTxavi. „qarTuli oc-

nebis” liderebi amboben, rom

xelaxali arCevnebi arc ki

ganixileba.

_ magaT arc 31 oqtombers

CautarebiaT arCevnebi. es iyo

Zaladoba da xmebis qurdoba.

viRac tipebi iaraRiT darbodnen

saarCevno ubnebze. nika melias

gldanSi Stabi gadauwves

da amis gamo aravin dausjiaT.

„qarTuli ocnebisTvis” jobia,

rom vadamdels dasTanxmdnen.

Tu ar dasTanxmdebian, Zalian

daimZimeben situacias. axla mxolod

vadamdel arCevnebs Seu-

Zlia maTi gadarCena. maTda samwuxarod,

partiaSi Wkua aravis

moekiTxeba da rogorc melias

dakavebis survilma waamtvrevina

kiseri, iseve waimtvreven

`gaxariam Tavis gancxadebaSi seriozuli ambavi gaamxila. man isaubra imaze,

rom melias dakavebis sakiTxi ganixileboda politsabWoze da sasamarTlo

iyo mxolod fiqcia. `qarTul ocnebas~ amazec moeTxoveba pasuxi~

cxvirs, Tu vadamdels ar

dasTanxmdebian.

_ melias daWera ratom

gariskes? ratom egonaT, rom

es ambavi umtkivneulod Caiv-

lida?

_ ifiqres, an giraos gadaixdida,

an ugulavasaviT Cabardeboda,

magram mwared Secdnen.

maT daaviwydaT, rom opozicia

erTiania da is erTad daicavda

nika melias.

_ „ocneba”, albaT, verc imas

warmoidgenda, rom am poli-

tikuri gadawyvetilebis gamo

giorgi gaxaria gadadgeboda.

_ magas yvelaze cud sizmar-

Sic ki ver naxavdnen. gaxariam

Tavis gancxadebaSi seriozuli

ambavi gaamxila. man isaubra imaze,

rom melias dakavebis sakiTxi

ganixileboda politsabWoze

da sasamarTlo iyo mxolod

fiqcia. „qarTul ocnebas” amazec

moeTxoveba pasuxi.

_ sasamarTlos gadawyvet-

ilebebs rom politikuri gada-

wyvetilebebi uswrebs win, es

xom isedac icoda yvelam.

_ es yvelasTvis cnobili ambavia,

magram sul sxva efeqti

aqvs, roca amaze premieri saubrobs

da amis gamo Tanamdebobas

tovebs. kidev kargi, gadadga

da Sturmi ar daiwyo. ramdenime

aseuli adamiani iyo „nacionalebis“

ofisSi da warmodgenac

ki ar minda, Tu rogor

damTavrdeboda es ambavi. es iyo

sigiJe. aseT raRacaze teroristebic

ki iSviaTad midian. amis

Semdeg dasavleTma ukve srulad

dainaxa „qarTuli ocnebis”

namdvili saxe da moqmedebebze

gadavida.

uamravi oficialuri saprotesto

gancxadeba wamovida.

araoficialurad aTi amdeni

wamovidoda kidev. darwmunebuli

var, yvela emuqreba biZina

ivaniSvils.

_ ivaniSvils ratom emuqre-

`cota meti principuli pozicia rom

gamogveCina, ruruac datovebda cixes. dRes

`qocebi~ xSirad ixseneben mis warsuls. mec

bevri rame msmenia, Tu ra xdeboda 90-ian

wlebSi. faqti is gaxlavT, rom giorgi rurua

im ambebze ar dauWeriaT. mas iaraRi Caudes.

veravin damajerebs, rom giorgi rurua,

romelsac saxlSi 50-mde registrirebuli

iaraRi aqvs, araregistrirebuli iaraRiT

gamovidoa quCaSi~

bian? is arsad gamoCenila,

gancxadebac ar gaukeTebia.

_ gancxadebis gakeTeba ra

saWiroa? _ am yvelaferze is

aris pasuxismgebeli. es adamiani

arsad wasula, isev ise mar-

Tavs qveyanas. CaSlili Sturmis

Semdeg gamagrdnen „nacionalebis“

ofisTan da iqidan gamosuli

manqanebis sabargulebs amowmeben.

nika melias eZeben sabargulSi.

amxela kaci sabargulSi

rogor unda daimalos? mokled,

Wkuaze ar arian. ivaniSvili

sul gadairia da aseT uazro

brZanebebs gascems. mis sigiJes

male moeReba bolo. dasavleTi

mas saswrafo wesiT moiyvans

azrze.

_ ranairad moiyvanen

saswrafo wesiT azrze?

_ dasavleTma mSvenivrad

icis, ra aris misi susti

wertili, Tu rogor unda gaaCeros

rusi oligarqi. ivaniSvili

Zalauflebas ver Tmobs

da unda, rom mTeli qveyana

akontrolos, magram misTvis

mTavari Tavisi qonebis Senar-

Cunebaa. axla mas aranormalurad

unda nika melias daWera,

magram sakuTari qonebis gadarCena

ufro mniSvnelovania.

_ ratom gadaekida ase

mwared melias?

_ gabrazebulia nikaze da am

javris amoyra unda. Tan Tavis

momxreebs aCvenebs, rom „nacebis“

dasja daviwyeT da maTi

lideri davakaveTo.

_ „nacebis“ dasja Tu undoda,

ratom dasTanxmdnen kohab-

itacias an ratom ar acxadeben

saakaSvilze saerTaSoriso Zeb-

nas? kaci Tavisuflad daqris

aqeT-iqiT.

_ saakaSvilis daWera arc

arasdros undoda biZina ivaniSvils.

amaze mas arc ki ufiqria.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom ar

undoda miSas daWera?

_ saakaSvilis daWera rom

sdomodaT, maSinve daiWerdnen,

rogorc ki xelisuflebaSi movidnen.

„ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

2012 wlis pirvel oqtombers

movida. saakaSvili saqarTvelodan

2013 wlis noemberSi wavida.

SeiZleba Tqvan, rom moqmedi

prezidenti iyo da xels ver

mokidebdnen. am versias ar viziareb.

Tavisuflad SeiZleboda

misTvis impiCmentis mowyoba.

amitom vambob, rom misi

daWra ar surdaT.

albaT, gaxsovT, Tu ra

saSinelebebs yvebodnen saakaSvilze.

dRemde mosaxleobas

imiT aSineben, rom miSa dabrundeba

da am dros iWeren nika

melias, romelsac sisxlSi xelebi

ar aqvs gasvrili. metic:

roca nika melia xalxTan erTad

aprotestebda „nacionalebis“

qmedebebs, ivaniSvili saakaSvils

umSvenebda gverds. rogorc

amboben, im specrazmelebs,

vinc 7 noembris darbevaSi miiRo

monawileoba, ivaniSvilma

gamouwera premiebi. vano merabiSvils

ivaniSvili karnaxobda,

Tu vin unda daekavebinaT.

_ Tavad ivaniSvili moyva,

rom merabiSvils vusayvedure,

ratom ar daiWireT naTelaS-

vilio.

_ ramdeni aseTi brZaneba

eqneba gacemuli, vin icis?! axla

gamodian „qocebi“ da Cven gvabraleben,

„nacebi“ xarTo. rac

Seexeba nika melias, misi dakaveba

sisulelea. am adamians

araferi dauSavebia.

_ eg Cveni gadmosaxedidan

ar dauSavebia, xelisuflebi-

sTvis ki isaa danaSauli, rom

man sxvebTan erTad gabeda da

gavrilovis Camosvla gaap-

rotesta.

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” poziciidan

Tu vimsjelebT, es saSineli

danaSaulia. yvelas, vinc maT

ukanonobas aprotestebs, „nacebs“

eZaxian, magram es meTodi

aRar Wris. xalxi amaze, ubralod,

aRar reagirebs.

_ viTom aRar Wris?

_ aRar Wris. didi-didi, TavianTi

trol-botebis yuradReba

miipyron. SesaZloa, „nacebis“

Zaxilma im biznesmenkriminalebzec

imoqmedos, romlebsac

Tavis droze marTebulad

aaxies biznesebi. maT es

biznesebi sxvebisTvis hqondaT

warTmeuli. kargi iqneboda, „nacionalebs“

es Zalis gareSe

gaekeTebinaT, magram am kriminalebs

pasuxi unda egoT.

aviRoT, magaliTad, vano CxartiSvili.

is ivaniSvilTan er-

Tad ereva qveynis mmarTveoba-

Si. imdenad aris gaTavxedebuli,

rom patriarqis Secvlac ki

surda. es is adamiania, romelmac

Cvens mSoblebsa da bebiababuebs

anabrebi SeuWama. es qurdi

gareT gamosvlas ver unda

bedavdes, arada, qveynis marTva-

Si ereva. misnairebs, bunebrivia,

ar eTmobaT „ocneba”, magram

maT aravin aRar ekiTxeba rames.

vadamdeli arCevnebi gardauvalia

da eseni yvelani moSordebian

xelisuflebas, qveynis saTaveSi

ki koaliciuri mTavroba

mova.

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premieris postze RaribaSvi-

lis dabruneba oponentebisTvis

imis niSania, rom „qarTuli oc-

neba” Seqmil krizisSi agresiul

politikas irCevs.

qveyanaSi mimdinare procesebs,

amjerad ukve xelisufleb-

is mimarT mkacri da Secvlili

ritorikiT gamoexmaura dasav-

leTi.

ra moelis RaribaSvilis xelSi

nika melias? rogor aisaxeba

dasavleTis gzavnilebi qvey-

nis SigniT arsebul krizisze?

rogor unda imoqmedos am

mocemulobaSi opoziciam?

aRniSnuli Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+“ politikuri moZraoba

„tribunis” wevr lia muxaS-

avrias esaubra:

_ raze metyvelebs aseT

politikur

mocemulobaSi

giorgi gaxarias mier Tanamde-

bobidan gadadgomis Sesaxeb

miRebuli gadawyvetileba?

_ pozitiurad unda SevafasoT

gaxarias gadawyvetileba,

radgan xelisufleba rom yvelaze

naklebad acnobierebda

Rrma krizisSi qveynis arsebobas,

es TvalsaCino iyo maTi qcevidan,

gadawyvetilebebidan, gancxadebebidan

gamomdinare da gaxarias

gadadgomam es gamoavlina, mgoni,

maTac cotaTi mainc Tvali

auxila. Tu bolomde ver xvdebian,

is mainc gaacnobieres, rom

qveyanaSi Zalian seriozuli

krizisia, radgan es udavo garemoebaa,

roca premieri gadadgeba

da mTavroba aRar hyavs qveyanas.

amitom es pozitiuri movlenaa.

meore mxriv, vfiqrob, rom

gaxaria yvelaze ukeT iyo informirebuli

da saRad afasebda

Seqmnil viTarebas, man amjobina

wasuliyo da Tavi gadaerCina,

radgan yvelasTvis cxadia,

rom „qarTul ocnebas” didi dRe

ar uweria da gaxariam Tavisi gadadgomiT,

SesaZloa, aseve nawilobriv

moinania 20 ivnisis dana-

Sauli, rac istoriulad mas da

mis STamomavlebs, albaT, gahyveba.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom qveyanaSi

arsebuli Rrma krizisi gaxariam

yvelaze kargad gaacnobi-

era. misi gadadgomis Semdeg

premierobis kandidatad Rarib-

aSvili wargvidgines. misi pre-

mieroba am krizisis kidev ufro

gamwvavebas gamoiwvevs?

_ ra Tqma unda. metic: cecxlze

navTis dasxmaa, rodesac

RaribaSvilisnair adamians

daasaxeleb premierobis kandidatad.

dRes Seqmnil Zalian mZime

viTarebasa da krizisSi, am

situaciidan qveynis gamosayvanad

aucilebelia gacilebiT

ufro diplomatiuri, moqnili

da moazrovne premieri, romel-

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`RaribaSvilis gapremiereba

saqarTvelos politikur sivr-

nene injgia

ceSi meored mosvlis axali seria

591 71 39 98

daiwyo. mas Semdeg, rac 18 Teber-

vals premier-ministr gaxariam

Tanamdebobidan gadadgomis Sesaxeb yvelasTvis moulodneli

gancxadeba gaakeTa, mmarTvelma gundma daCqarebuli wesiT mis

Semcvlelad irakli RaribaSvili waradgina.

ic iseT mTavrobas SemogvTavazebs,

sadac profesionalebi,

Zalian kvallificiuri adamianebi

imuSaveben, radgan saiTac gavixedavT,

yvelgan mZime mdgomareoba

gvaqvs, saxelmwifos saqmianobis

yvela sferoSi. aqedan

gamosvla ki urTulesi amocanaa.

am viTarebaSi Wkviani adamiani

premierobas maincdamainc ar

daxarbdeboda. axla premieris

winaSe SeuZlebeli amocanebia

gadasawyveti. is, rom „qarTuli

ocneba” ver acnobierebs Seqmnil

viTarebas, es iqidanac gamoCnda,

rom ase swrafad, xelaRebiT

RaribaSvili SemogvTavazes premierad.

_ premierobis kandidatad

RaribaSvilis dasaxeleba niS-

navs Tu ara imas, rom ivaniSvili

politikidan ar wasula da is

gadawyvetilebebs kulisebidan

iRebs?

_ kulisebze ufro mgonia,

rom ivaniSvili axla suflioris

ormoSi zis da iqidan karnaxobs,

vin ra unda gaakeTos. maSin, roca

scenaze mdgom adamianebs saer-

Tod ar aqvT nanaxi arc scena da

arc reJisori. amitom is, rom ase

ucabedad moxda RaribaSvilis

SemoTavazeba, ra Tqma unda, ivaniSvilis

gankargulebaa. gaxarias

gadadgomam adamianuri garemoeba

damanaxa, _ 18 Tebervals,

roca is gadadga, ivaniSvilis dabadebis

dRe iyo. ivaniSvilis dabadebis

dRisTvis gaxarias mxridan

aseTi moulodneli gadadgomis

gadawyvetileba garkveuli

SurisZiebaa imisTvis, rac

mas codvis aRebisa da warumatebeli

SromisTvis Sexvda „qarTuli

ocnebisa” da piradad biZina

ivaniSvilisgan. amitom vTqvi,

rom gaxarias Tanamdebobidan

gadadgoma, nawilobriv, 20 ivnisis

ambebis monanieba iyo. rac

Seexeba ivaniSvils, is arsadac ar

wasula. mas Zalian sWirdeba, rom

dasavleTs, amerikis SeerTebul

Statebsa da msoflios daanaxos,

TiTqos, wavida. imdenad wavida

politikidan, rom gamoacxada,

telefonsac ar aviRebo. amas

CvenSi aravin ijerebs da Cvenze

ufro gamocdili analitikosebi

daijereben? gansakuTrebiT

gasuli kviris movlenebs Tu gavixsenebT.

„qarTul ocnebaSi”

xom SeeZloT, erTi dRe mainc

daecadaT da ar gamoecxadebinaT

zustad 1 saaTSi, rom ar varT,

batono, gaxarias gadadgomiT

SeSinebulebi da Zalian male

davasaxelebT axal premierso. e.

i. aseT Rrma krizisSi myofi qveynis

politikuri xelmZRvaneloba,

ase iolad ver unda iRebdes

axali premieris SerCevis gadawyvetilebas,

Tu amas isini marTla

TviTon akeTeben. erTi saRamo

mainc unda dagWirdes adami-

lia muxaSavria:

`saerTaSoriso

Tanamegobrobis

seriozuli

interesis

sagania, rom

xelisufleba

unda Seicvalos~

ans, rom ramdenime varianti

mainc gaiazro da saukeTeso

SearCio gundTan erTad. es, rac

axla Cven vnaxeT, aseTi

sulswrafobac ki aris utyuari

mtkicebuleba, rom suflioris

ormoSi zis ivaniSvili da iqidan

diriJoris joxsac iqnevs da yvela

sityvasac karnaxobs.

_ gaxarias aseTi moulodne-

li gadawyvetileba da Tqveni

TqmiT, garkveuli SurisZieba

ivaniSvilis mimarT xom ar niSnavs,

rom mas garkveuli poli-

tikuri gegma SeiZleba hqondes?

miT umetes, Cven viciT, rom mas

hyavs sakuTari politikuri

gundi, rogorc parlamentSi,

aseve sakrebuloSi.

_ mec mqonda aseTi varaudi,

vidre ar movismine qalbatoni

maia cqitiSvilis wasvlis Sesaxeb.

CemTvis da albaT, yvelasTvis

aSkara iyo, rom es iyo qalbatoni

maias piradi gadawyvetileba,

Tan im gancxadebis fonze,

romelic man gaakeTa da Tqva,

rom 15 welia icnobs RaribaSvils,

anu vivaraudoT, rom Cvenze

ukeT icis, ra xisti da mZime

kacia is saTanamSromlod. garda

amisa, qalbaton maias ukve 5 premierTan

mouswria ukve Tanam-

Sromloba, Zalian kargad Seu-

Zlia ganWvritos, ra moelis mas

da mis saministros RaribaSvilis

premierobis pirobebSi. misi wasvla,

piriqiT, mafiqrebinebs, rom

SesaZloa, gaxaria dRes ukve qveynis

teritoriazec aRar aris,

radgan mjera, rom adamianze

Zalian mZimed imoqmedebda 20 ivnisis

movlena, orma axalgazrdam

Tvali dakarga _ es Zalian mZime

adamianuri tragediaa, romelic

ar SeiZleba, gulze daRad ar

dagrCes. patara qveyana varT,

sadac yvela erTmaneTs vicnobT

da es iseTi danaSaulia, mere ra,

rom sasamarTlom amisTvis araferi

miusaja da mere ra, rom

amisTvis kidev ufro daawinaures?

es Zalian cinikur situacias

qmnis da ufro metad amZimebs

albaT gulis siRrmeSi adamianis

danaSaulis gancdas. ar

`gaxarias gadadgomam adamianuri garemoeba

damanaxa, - 18 Tebervals, roca is gadadga,

ivaniSvilis dabadebis dRe iyo. ivaniSvilis

dabadebis dRisTvis gaxarias mxridan aseTi

moulodneli gadadgomis gadawyvetileba

garkveuli SurisZiebaa imisTvis, rac mas

codvis aRebisa da warumatebeli SromisTvis

Sexvda `qarTuli ocnebisa~ da piradad biZina

ivaniSvilisgan~

mgonia, gaxarias es grZnoba ar

hqonoda. is ar iyo iseTi xisti,

rogoric sxvebi arian, romlebic

yvelanair azrs isxleten. amitom

vfiqrob, rom gaxariasgan momavalSi

ar unda movelodoT

aranair politikur aqtivobas,

radgan man iseTi mZime gansacdelebi

gadaitana da aseve

iseTi mZime iarliyiT wavida, rom

yvelaze metad axla mas sWirdeba,

rac SeiZleba Sors daiWiros

Tavi politikisgn da saerTod am

qveynisgan. vfiqrob, rom piradad

gaxarias, mis Svilebsa da SviliSvilebsac

ki, es gahyveba Zalian

cud niSnad mTeli cxovreba. maT

saqarTveloSi ase iolad gadaadgileba

ar SeeZlebaT. isini

yovelTvis Seecdebian, Sors

iyvnen am qveynisgan. minaxavs wina

dRes gadamdgari Zalian bevri

maRali politikuri Tanamdebobis

piri TbilisSi, veraze, sadac

vcxovrobdi da gamkvirvebia,

radgan CvenTan Tanamdebobidan

wasvla ar xdeba ise, rom mere mobrunde

da Rirseulad daikavo

ufro maRali adgili. Cemi azriT,

gaxaria TviTonac danaSaulis

gancdiT wavida da TvalTxarias

rom dagiZaxebs xalxi, es

adamianuri tragediaa. es iseTi

damRaa, romelic mas mTeli dar-

Cenili cxovreba aiZulebs, politikisken

saerTod ar qnas piri.

Tanac misi gadadgomis TariRi,

ivaniSvilis dabadebis dRe da is

viTareba, romelSic es gadawyvetileba

marTlac damoukideblad

da yvelasTan SeuTanxmeblad

miiRo, swored mafiqrebinebs,

rom is „qarTul ocnebas”

saerTod arasdros gaekargeba,

Tumca vnaxoT. mgoni, is aRar

apirebs, ivaniSvilis rame gankarguleba

Seasrulos da momaval-

Si misi rame TamaSi iTamaSos.

_ mas Semdeg, rac RaribaS-

vili oficialurad daikavebs

premieris posts, ra moelis nika

melias, ra SesaZlo scenariT

ganviTardeba movlenebi?

_ RaribaSvilis naCqarevad win

wamowevis ambavma mafiqrebina, _

es aris swored, ivaniSvilis

boRmiani nabiji, raTa melias

daemuqros da SeaSinos. es sruliad

gauazreblad aris gakeTebuli,

magram melias dapatimrebis

sakiTxi ukve arc ivaniSvilis da

arc RaribaSvilis saqme aRar

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ivaniSvilis boRmiani nabijia~

`qarTul ocnebaSi~ xom SeeZloT, erTi dRe mainc daecadaT da ar

gamoecxadebinaT zustad 1 saaTSi, rom ar varT, batono, gaxarias

gadadgomiT SeSinebulebi da Zalian male davasaxelebT axal premierso. e. i.

aseT Rrma krizisSi myofi qveynis politikuri xelmZRvaneloba, ase iolad

ver unda iRebdes axali premieris SerCevis gadawyvetilebas, Tu amas isini

marTla TviTon akeTeben. erTi saRamo mainc unda dagWirdes adamians, rom

ramdenime varianti mainc gaiazro da saukeTeso SearCio gundTan erTad~

gaxlavT, radgan 19 Tebervals

centraluri saarCevno komisiis

Tavmjdomare Tamar Jvanias gadadgomasTan

dakavSirebiT gaJRerebulma

informaciam (romelic

ar dadasturda) mafiqrebina,

rom premieris gadadgoma ar aris

mxolod Cemi, Tqveni da am qveynis

moqalaqeebis sadardebeli.

amaze Cvenze ufro metad, albaT,

dardoben briuselSi, vaSington-

Si, moskovSi, ankarasa da sxva

dedaqalaqebSi, romlebisTvisac

Zalian mniSvnelovania, Cvens

qveyanaSi ra mimarTulebiT wava

politikuri cxovreba da movlenebis

ganviTareba. vfiqrob, ga-

JRerebuli informacia, rom

Tamar Jvania midis cesko-s

Tavmjdomareobis postidan,

ufro modis briuselidan da

vaSingtonidan, radgan qarTvelma

amomrCevelma gamoxata neba, _

mere ra, rom Tqven viRacebis

mandatebi aRiareT, miuxedavad

amisa, Cven ar gvjera da opoziciac

ar Sedis parlamentSi, _ am

faqtors sazogadoebis Zalian

seriozuli mxardaWera aqvs. yvela

opoziciuri partia ise gaer-

Tianda, rac vnaxeT „nacionaluri

moZraobis“ ofisSi, mTeli

opoziciuri istembliSmenti da

maTi liderebi iyvnen da apirebdnen

fizikurad daecvaT melia

dapatimrebisgan. es aris Zalian

cxadi signali dasavleTisTvis

da maTi rCevebi opoziciis misamarTiT

fuWia: parlamentSi

SediT, iq idebateT, politikuri

opoziciis gansaxorcieleblad

parlamentia saukeTeso adgilio.

axla dasavleTSi dainaxes, rom

saqme mTlad ise ver aris, rogorc

isini xedaven TavianTi ofisebidan

an TavianTi qveynis gamocdilebidan.

maT dainaxes, rom

Cvens qveyanaSi gansxvavebuli vi-

Tarebaa da gansxvavebuli gadawyvetilebebi

miiReba im gamocdililebis

gaTvaliswinebiT, romelic

gvaqvs. es gamocdileba sakmaod

unikaluria, daCagruli

qveynis, romelmac axla damoukidebloba

moiopova, magram mTlad

kargad ar icis, ra gzas

daadges. aseT viTarebaSi, Cveni

aSkarad gamoxatuli neba, rom

Cven viciT Cveni saqme da am

saqmes bolomde miviyvanT, yvelasTvis

angariSgasawevia. amitom

axla keTils inebeben briusel-

Si, vaSingtonSi, londonSi,

parizsa da sxvaganac Seecdebian,

angariSi gauwion politikuri

liderebis gancxadebebs, mosazrebebs

da iqidan SiSveli instruqciebi

ar gamogvigzavnon.

aseve ecdebian, rom aq samoqalaqo

dapirispirebisken da

samoqalaqo omisken (Zalian ar

minda, es sityva vixmaro) mimaval

nabijebs, romelsac aSkarad xelisufleba

dgams, xeli SeuSalon.

is, rom Cvens qveyanaSi iyos

mSvidoba, mxolod Cveni interesi

ar aris, aramed es aris Zalian

bevri Cveni keTilismyofelis interesi,

rac Zalian sasargebloa

mTlianad qveynisTvis. xelisufleba

imisTvis arsebobs, rom

roca kerZo konfliqtia or adamians

Soris, iq mosamarTle gaa-

Cinos da konfliqti Caaqros, xelisufleba

ki piriqiT _ sazogadoebis

ukiduress polarizacias

axdens, qveyanas yofs or nawilad

da erTmaneTis winaaRmdeg ganawyobs.

aba, sxva ra aris aseTi

gancxadebebi: „dagamTavrebT da

gagaqrobT”, Tan amas Tavdacvis

ministri ambobs, romelsac erTi

brZanebiT SeuZlia tankebis, qvemexebisa

da TviTmfrinavebis gamoyvana,

es xom siZulvilis enaze

gacilebiT mZime gancxadebebia.

roca umaRlesi Tanamdebobis

pirebi ise, rom meliasTvis ganaCeni

arc iyo gamotanili, ambobdnen,

melia gadatrialebis organizatoria

da SturmiT iRebda

parlamentso, _ sul rom ar yofiliyo

sasamarTlos aRkveTis

RonisZiebis dadgenileba, maTi

es gancxadebebi ukve politikuri

devnis aSkara niSani iyo.

am xalxs Tavgza aqvs dakarguli

da wonasworobidan aris gamosuli.

aseTi xelisuflebis xelSi

qveynis datoveba ara mxolod

moqalaqeebisTvisaa saSiSi da

saxifaTo. gavixsenoT prezident

zurabiSvilis gancxadebebi,

romelmac regionuli wonasworoba

daarRvia, misi qmedebebi

azerbaijanTan mimarTebiT, daviTgarejis

Sesaxeb gancxadebebi,

_ imis nacvlad, rom prezidenti

qveyanaSi mSvidobisa da stabilurobis

Sesaqmnelad iyos mimarTuli

da regionul wonasworobas

xeli Seuwyos, sruliad

`CemTvis da albaT, yvelasTvis aSkara iyo,

rom es gaxldaT sqalbatoni maias piradi

gadawyvetileba, Tan im gancxadebis fonze,

romelic man gaakeTa da Tqva, rom 15 welia

icnobs RaribaSvils, anu vivaraudoT, rom

Cvenze ukeT icis, ra xisti da mZime kacia is

saTanamSromlod~

sapirispirod iqceva. aseT viTarebaSi

es emTxveva Cveni opoziciis

gansazRvrul damokidebulebas

da saerTaSoriso Tanamegobrobis

Zalian seriozuli

interesis sagania, rom xelisufleba

unda Seicvalos, _ amis

yvela niSani saxezea. amitom mgonia,

rom nika melias dapatimrebis

saqme bolo wveTi, katalizatori

iyo fialaSi da es ugunureba

ase ar daumTavrdeba „qarTul

ocnebas”. man srulad gaixada

tansacmeli da absoluturad

SiSvelia. es SiSveli „qarTuli

ocneba” Zalian saSiSia sakuTari

TavisTvis, am qveynisTvis da,

saerTod, samyarosTvis.

_ Cven vnaxeT, rogor Seicva-

la dasavleTis ritorika gasul

kviras. aseve amerikis SeerTebu-

li Statebis saelCom gaavrce-

la gancxadeba, sadac naTqvamia:

„movuwodebT

saqarTvelos

mTavrobas, imoqmedos evroatlantikuri

miswrafebebis Sesa-

bamisad”. es poziciebi ufro

metad gvaaxlovebs Tu ara riggareSe

arCevnebTan da am pro-

cesebSi ra unda gaiTvaliswinos

opoziciam?

_ Zalian rTuli viTarebaa.

erTi mxriv, ar mjera, rom xelisuflebis

mxares liderebs

eyofaT goniereba, zustad aRiqvan

da droulad hqondeT reagireba

im Setyobinebebsa da gzavnilebze,

rac movida gasul kviras.

es dro, romelic maT Wkuaze

mosayvanad aris saWiro, Zalian

saxifaTo periodi gamodis. am

droSi yvelaferi SeiZleba moxdes.

amitom, ra Tqma unda, aqcenti

unda gavakeToT opoziciaze,

romelic axla ki aris erT muStad

Sekruli, magram maincdamainc

mkafiod ver gveubneba,

ras moimoqmedebs. gaxarias gadadgomam

geometriuli progresiiT

daaCqara xelaxali arCevnebis

sakiTxi, radgan axla qveynis

SigniT da qveynis gareTac Zalian

cxadia, rom „qarTuli ocne-

ba” unda wavides da amgvarad saSveli

dagvadges. vfiqrob, rom es

periodi, vidre xelaxali arCevnebis

sakiTxi gadawydeba da daiwyeba,

saxifaToa, amitom Zalian

minda, rom opozicias aRmoaCndes

sakmarisi goniereba, SorsmWvreteloba

da yvelaze naklebad

wamoegos provokaciebze. aseve

naklebad gamoiyenon raime ZaladobasTan

dakavSirebuli qmedeba.

metic: axla opozicia unda

iyos monoliTuri, imdenad, rom

formaluradac erTi saarCevno

subieqtisa da koaliciis saxeliT

gamovides arCevnebze.

opozicias ukve mkafio sia unda

hqondes Camoyalibebuli, romelic

saukeTeso kandidatebiT

iqneba dakomleqtebuli da kidev

ufro Sorsac unda wavides _

Crdilovani mTavrobac unda

hyavdes, romelic aseve saukeTeso

kandidatebiT dakompleqtdeba,

rom sazogadoebas daanaxos,

ratom unda misces amomrCevelma

mas xma da ratom unda dau-

Wiros Zalian didi umravlesobiT

mxari. mesmis, rom „qarTul

ocnebas” kidev eyoleba momxreebi

an mosyidulebi an daSinebulebi.

amis gakeTeba Zalian rTulia,

rodesac nervebi yvelas

ukiduresad daZabuli, daWimuli

aqvs da melia fizikurad aris

dasacavi, magram es mainc gasakeTebelia.

rac ufro Sors wava

am saqmeSi opozicia, miT ufro

didia misi gamarjvebisa da ufro

meti ricxviT parlamentSi adgilebis

dakavebis Sansi.

_ saubris bolos, rames xom

ar daamatebdiT?

_ gulSi vloculob, axla

marTla varT im situaciaSi,

roca imis imedad davrCiT, rom

saqarTvelo RvTismSoblis wilxvedria,

es Zalian mZime gancdaa.

1988 wlidan moyolebuli, yvela

aqciasa da manifestaciaSi vmonawileobdi,

studenti viyavi ma-

Sin da am yvelaferma Cem Tvalwin

Caiara. am xnis manZilze imdeni

ugunureba vnaxe, Zalian guli

mtkiva. Cven uzarmazari Sansi

gvqonda, naxtomebi gagvekeTebina

qveynis, saxelmwifos ganviTarebis

yvela mimarTulebiT, _ es

Sansi xelidan gavuSviT. qveyana

dacarielda. axla sofelSi vcxovrob

da Tqven rom aq gaiaroT,

naxavT, rom samidan ori saxli

daketilia, qveyana adamianebisganaa

daclili da es miwa, samoTxis

nawili, adamianebisTvis sauke-

Teso sacxovrisia! es xom anomaliaa,

rom am qveynis Svilebi mas

toveben da midian sadRac ubedurebaSi,

rom ori kapiki iSovon.

axla, saerTod, uzarmazari,

globaluri, dedamiwis odena

cvlilebebi xdeba da Cven Tu ver

avuReT alRo movlenebs da sworad

ver vimoqmedeT, didi Sansi

gvaqvs, saerTod gavqreT. amis

Zalian meSinia da minda, rom yvelaferi

kargad damTavrdes. amitom

vTqvi da pirveli es gamaxsenda,

_ RvTismSoblis wilxvedri

varT da iqneb, RvTismSobelma

gviSvelos da gadagvarCinos,

Torem vinc unda gviSvelos,

piriqiT _ ubedureba moaqvs.

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`irakli RaribaSvili,

18 Tebervals premier-minis-

nene injgia

trma gadadgomis Sesaxeb gancxa-

nino 591 71 39 98 deba gaakeTa, mizezad ki nika melias

sakiTxze massa da mmarTve-

li gundis sxva warmomadgenlebs Soris azrTa sxvadasxvaoba

daasaxela. SeiZleba iTqvas, gaxariam aRiara, rom qveyanaSi

politikuri marTlmsajuleba gvaqvs. man am nabijiT saxelm-

wifoebrivad swori gadawyvetileba miiRo. savaraudod, misi

es gadawyvetileba ar iyo SeTanxmebuli arc biZina ivaniSvilTan

da arc mmarTvel gundTan. am yvelaferze saxtad darCeni-

li „qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgenlebis saxeebic metyvelebs.

procesebis paralelurad,

dasavleTma ritorika Secvala.

evroparlamentarebisa da kon-

gresmenebis mxridan morigi

kritikuli gzavnilebis seria

daiwyo.

aseve amerikis saxelmwifo

departamenti saqarTveloSi

bolo dros ganviTarebuli

politikuri movlenebis gamo

Rrma SeSfoTebas gamoTqvams

da saqarTvelos xelisuflebas

mouwodebs,

uzrunvelyos

politikuri mikerZoebisgan

Tavisufali saprokuroro da

marTlmsajulebis sistemebi.

politikosi nino goguaZe

„qronika+”-sTan giorgi gaxarias

gadawyvetilebas dadebi-

Tad afasebs da acxadebs, rom

man am nabijiT cota xniT SeaC-

era is sisxlisRvra, rac

dagegmili hqonda „qarTuli

ocnebis” xelisuflebas.

raze migvaniSnebs irakli

RaribaSvilis meored mosvla

premieris postze? ra gavlenas

moaxdens dasavleTis kritika

riggareSe arCevnebis konte-

qstSi? ra samoqmedo gegma aqvs

opozicias?

aRniSnuli Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+~ nino goguaZes es-

aubra:

_ opoziciis nawili acxa-

debs, rom gaxariam Tavisi

gadawyvetilebiT

sakuTari

Tavi gadairCina da pasuxismge-

blobas gaeqca. Tqven iziarebT

Tu ara am pozicias?

_ ar mivekuTvnebi iseT politikosebs,

romlebsac ar Seu-

ZliaT, oponentis kargi saqcieli

dadebiTad Seafason. Tu

konkretul qmedebebs saxelebs

ar davarqmevT, cudze ar vityviT

cuds da kargze _ kargs,

maSin zRvari cudsa da kargs

Soris waiSleba. Sesabamisad,

adamianebs aRar eqnebaT motivacia,

rom kargad moiqcnen. giorgi

gaxarias premierobis

dros da maSinac, roca is Sinagan

saqmeTa ministri iyo, Zalian

mkveTri oponenti viyavi.

yvela misi saqmis CamoTvlisas

viwyebdi zviad ratianiT, radgan

is iyo pirveli msxverpli

misi Sinagan saqmeTa ministrobis

dros, roca sapolicio reidi

ganaxorciela da Semdeg

vnaxeT, rogor gausworda erT

adamians mTeli sistema. aseve

arasdros dagvaviwydeba 20 ivnisi.

miuxedavad am yvelafrisa,

18 Tebervals gaxaria gadadga

yovelgvari nebarTvis gareSe.

vgulisxmob, biZina ivaniSvilis

nebarTvas. gaxariam es gadawyvetileba

damoukideblad miiRo

da cota xniT SeaCera is

Sturmi, romelic dagegmili

iyo „nacionaluri moZraobis”

ofisze, sadac Cven TiTqmis yvela

politikosi da samoqalaqo

sazogadoebis didi nawili vimyofebodiT.

gaxarias mxridan es

iyo swori gadawyvetileba. amboben,

rom igi pasuxismgeblobas

gaeqca, me ki ase vityvi: yvelam

Zalian kargad viciT, Cvens

saxelmwifoSi ra funqciebi

aqvs oficialur premiers, samwuxarod,

igi ver akontrolebs

verc Sinagan saqmeTa saministros,

verc saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis

samsaxurs, anu

Zalovan uwyebebs igi ver akontrolebs.

aseve cnobili iyo

mmarTvel gundSi arsebuli dapirispirebis

Sesaxeb. gaxarias

gadadgomis Semdeg „qarTuli

ocnebis” ganrisxebuli spikerati

ambobda, rom misgan verc

erTi argumenti ver movismine-

To. sxvaTa Soris, esec biZina

ivaniSvilis frazaa, rom TiTqos

argumentebi ver moismines.

darwmunebuli var, gaxariam

Tanamdebobidan gadadgomiT

imis maqsimumi gaakeTa, rac See-

Zlo. 20 ivnisis darbevis Semdeg

sul vambobdi, rom giorgi gaxaria

ver gadadga. mas hqonda

gacnobierebuli is sisxlis-

Rvra, rac moxda da Tavidan

pasuxismgeblobac etyoboda,

magram Tavisuflebis is xarisxi

ar hqonda, rom gadamdgariyo.

xSirad vkiTxulobdi, nuTu

rogor SeiZleba, rom gadadgomis

ufleba ar hqondes, ase rogor

unda SeizRudos Tavisufleba?

18 Tebervals man es

ufleba daibruna da gadadga,

amitomac vnaxeT gamwarebuli

reaqcia „qarTuli ocnebis”

wevrebis, romlebic Tavs daesxnen

sakuTari siis pirvel nomers

da gundis premier-ministrs.

es Tavdasxmebi Cven nanaxi

gvaqvs, zustad ase daesxnen

Tavs giorgi kvirikaSvils, swored

imitom, rom giorgi kvirikaSvili

SeewinaaRmdega biZina

ivaniSvils. manac gadadgomis

mizezad biZina ivaniSvilTan

mTel rig sakiTxebze SeuTanxmebloba

daasaxela. ase rom, vimeoreb:

giorgi gaxariam miiRo

damoukidebeli gadawyvetileba,

rac kargia da man cota xniT

SeaCera is sisxlisRvra, rac

dagegmili iyo „qarTuli ocnebis”

xelisuflebis mxridan.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom gax-

goguaZe:

`gaxariam SeaCera

`qarTuli

ocnebis~ mier

dagegmili

sisxlisRvra~

ariam es gadawyvetileba damo-

ukideblad miiRo, Tumca amis

Semdeg mmarTvelma gundma pre-

mierobis kandidatad irakli

RaribaSvili daasaxela. es

metyvelebs Tu ara imaze, rom

ivaniSvili kulisebidan mar-

Tavs procesebs?

_ ivaniSvili rom arsad wasula,

amas im momentidan vambob,

rac 39-gverdiani werili wavikiTxe

da interviu misca, rom

wavida da „qarTuli ocnebis”

mxardamWeric ki ar aris. raRac

momentSi sxvebs eWvi SeeparaT,

_ iqneb, marTla wavida politikidan

ivaniSvilio. me ki arc

erTi wamiT ar damiSvia, rom

ivaniSvili politikidan wavidoda.

igi gadavida misTvis yvelaze

komfortul adgilas _

kulisebSi, sadac flobs mar-

Tvis yvela berkets. qveyana mxolod

Zalovani struqturebi-

Ta da politikuri sasamarTlo-

Ti imarTeba. yvela es berketi

midis biZina ivaniSvilTan da

mxolod is iRebs aseT politikur

gadawyvetilebebs. ase

rom, erTi wamiTac ar mifiqria,

rom is CamoSorda marTvis berketebs.

ra Tqma unda, is yoveldRiurobaSi

ar monawileobs,

arc ainteresebs, ra xdeba ganaTlebaSi,

jandacvasa da garemos

dacvaSi. magram aseT

strategiul gadawyvetilebebs

iRebs da miiRebs biZina ivaniSvili

manam, sanam „qarTuli ocneba”

xelisuflebaSi arsebobs.

ivaniSvili, rom politikidan

ar wasula, amis dasturad mxolod

is kmara, rom „qarTuli

ocnebis” sruli mobilizacia

`antisaokupacio protests gadaarqves

saxelmwifo gadatrialeba da amis gamo

meliaze aRZres saqme, axla ki es saqme

gaacocxles - es yvelaferi xelisuflebam

gaakeTa. anu meliam ki ar moawyo provokacia,

xelisuflebam moawyo~

iyo nika melias mandatis Sewyvetis

dros. 88 deputatma misca

xma, ori deputati ver daeswro

sxdomas janmrTelobis mdgomareobis

gamo, Tumca maTac

daawies xma, rom momxre iyvnen,

meliasTvis imuniteti moexsnaT.

ver warmomidgenia, rom „qarTul

ocnebaSi” ar arsebobdes

adamiani, romelmac icis, prokuratura

ki ar aris parlamenti,

aramed parlamenti aris damoukidebeli

instituti da imuniteti

swored imisTvis aqvs

deputats, rom ar ganxorcieldes

politikuri mizeziT misi

devna. imuniteti aris parlamentaris

erT-erTi mTavari damcveli.

rodesac deputats ase

daWerisTvis imeteb da imunitets

uxsni, garda imisa, rom instituts

ar scem pativs, aseve

Sen dgebi im represiuli institutebis

rigSi, sadac parlamentis

adgili ar aris. rodesac 88

deputatma gadawyvetileba miiRo

okupantis saameblad, Tavisi

kolega meorejer daiWires,

am 88 kacis mobilizacia mxolod

biZina ivaniSvils SeeZlo.

es ki imitom gaakeTa, rom am

adamianebs Tavidanve arc erTs

ar hqonoda moraluri sayrdeni

da yvelas uari eTqva saku-

Tar sindisze, mimxvdariyvnen,

rom am gundSi ar arsebobs damoukidebeli

adamiani, Tavisufali

neba. aq biZina ivaniSvilis

xeli eria, sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebac

ivaniSvilis mier

aris miRebuli. rasakvirvelia,

irakli RaribaSvilis premierad

dabrunebac ivaniSvilis

gadawyvetilebaa, ori azri ar

arsebobs.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom gaxariam

sakuTari nabijiT sisxlisRvra

SeaCera, romelic „qarTul

ocnebas” hqonda dagegmili.

is, razedac ar daTanxmda

gaxaria, RaribaSvili gaakeTebs.

gabedaven Tu ara melias

dapatimrebas da mdgomar-

eobis gamwvavebas? miT umetes,

viciT misi xisti da agresiu-

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rogorc individi, ar arsebobs~

li damokidebuleba „naciona-

luri moZraobis” mimarT.

_ irakli RaribaSvili pirovnulad,

rogorc individi, ar

arsebobs. is aris ivaniSvilis

survilebis, leqsikis, ritorikis,

gamxmovanebeli da misi

davalebebis ubadlo Semsrulebeli.

misi erTaderTi refleqsi

aris, ramdenad kargad asrulebs

batoni biZinas davalebas.

misi eTikac, damokidebulebac,

kulturac _ yvelaferi

ivaniSvilia. amitom RaribaSvilis

win wamoweviT ivaniSvilma

gviTxra, rom: me vapireb represiebis

axali talRis wamowevas,

am saxelmwifos krizisidan

ki ar gamoviyvan, aramed dapirispirebas

gavaRrmaveb. rogor

ar unda giyvardes sakuTari

qveyana da rogor ar unda scemde

pativs sakuTar sazogadoebas,

rom mas irakli RaribaSvili

meored akadro premierministrad?!

biZina ivaniSvils

es qveyana siZulviliT gaJRen-

Tili, erTmaneTTan dapirispirebuli

tomebis moTaraSe

teritoria hgonia. amas ki yvelaze

kargad RaribaSvili Seasrulebs,

magram darwmunebuli

var, mas es ar gamouva.

_ am procesebis paralelurad,

dasavleTidan gzavnilebis

ritorika Seicvala. evro-

parlamentarebi, kongresmenebi

da amerikis saxelmwifo departamenti

SeSfoTebas gamoTq-

vams. ra gavlenas moaxdens es

gzavnilebi riggareSe arCev-

nebis konteqstSi?

_ yovelTvis darwmunebuli

viyavi, rom aucileblad Catardeboda

aq riggareSe arCevnebi.

axla ori ram awuxebs biZina

ivaniSvils: pirveli _ unda Zalis

demonstrireba da melias

dakaveba; meore _ dasavleTis

kritika. darwmunebuli var,

rom dasavleTis kritika da zewola

gaizrdeba, oRond unda

gaizardos piradad biZina ivaniSvilze.

yvelam unda dainaxos,

rom es viTom wasuli biZina

ivaniSvili, romelic pasuxismgebeli

aRar aris am qveyanaSi

mimdinare movlenebze, aris

blefi, isev biZina ivaniSvilia

am qveynis araformaluri mmarTveli,

romelsac aqvs absoluturad

SeuzRudavi Zalaufleba.

rac ufro meti wnexi

Seexeba ivaniSvils, miT meti

iqneba Sansi imisa, rom es dapirispireba,

Sturmi, romlis ganxorcielebac

irakli RaribaSvils

aqvs davalebuli, SeCerdes.

romeli gadawonis, vnaxavT.

moindomebs melias dapatimrebas?

_ Cven yvelani, gansxvavebuli

warsulisa da momavlis

politikosebi, aseve samoqalaqo

sazogadoeba, viqnebiT melias

gverdiT. es gamowveva kargad

unda gaigos qarTulma sazogadoebam,

man unda gaacnobieros,

rom es ar aris mxolod

politikosebis gamowveva da melias

winaaRmdeg mimdinare

`imuniteti aris parlamentaris erT-erTi mTavari damcveli. rodesac

deputats ase daWerisTvis imeteb da imunitets uxsni, garda imisa, rom

instituts ar scem pativs, aseve Sen dgebi im represiuli institutebis

rigSi, sadac parlamentis adgili ar aris. rodesac 88 deputatma

gadawyvetileba miiRo okupantis saameblad, Tavisi kolega meorejer

daiWires, am 88 kacis mobilizacia mxolod biZina ivaniSvils SeeZlo~

brZola. am brZolaSi wydeba,

gadarCeba Tu ara saqarTvelo-

Si damoukidebeli, Tavisufali,

demokratiuli, samarTlebrivi

saxelmwifos idea. ase rom, es

sazogadoebis gamowvevac aris

da darwmunebuli var, qarTuli

sazogadoeba, romelmac amxela

msxverpli gaiRo 30 wlis ganmavlobaSi,

raTa daSorebuliyo

ruseTis veqtors, arasdros iq

ar dabrundeba. rom CamovTvaloT:

Tavad biZina ivaniSvilis

persona; prorusuli irakli

RaribaSvilis daniSvna premierministrad;

azerbaijanTan gafuWebuli

urTierTobebi; anakliis

portis CaSla; putinis

meTodebiT am qveynis marTva, _

es yvelaferi migvaniSnebs, rom

vbrundebiT ruseTis gavlenis

sferoSi da amas qarTveli

xalxi ar dauSvebs. amaSi absoluturad

darwmunebuli var,

iseve rogorc imaSi, rom am

qveyanaSi aucileblad Catardeba

riggareSe arCevnebi. ivaniSvilma

2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebi gagviuqma da mjera,

xalxs arCevnebi daubrundeba.

swored xalxi gadawyvets, vin

iqneba misi xelisufleba da es

qveyana aucileblad gaxdeba

Tavisufali samyaros wevri.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom

vbrundebiT ruseTis gavlenis

sferoSi da xalxi amas ar da-

uSvebs. opoziciis misamarTiT

mmarTveli gundi yovelTvis

ironiulad aRniSnavda, rom

mxardamWerebi quCaSi ver gamogyavdaT.

2020 wlis saparla-

mento arCevnebis Semdegac

vnaxeT quCis protesti, Tumca

es ar yofila

masStaburi

aqciebi. dameTanxmebiT, rom

`ar mjera, rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi am

ekonomikuri gaWirvebis, pandemiuri krizisisa

da, zogadad, yvelanairi krizisis fonze

Cumad Sexvdebian imas, rom saqarTvelo ase

nel-nela aRmoCndes Tavisufali samyaros

nacvlad putinis ruseTis gavlenis orbitaze~

axla didi mniSvneloba eqneba

sazogadoebis protests. ra-

tom ar gamodis xalxi quCaSi?

saTanadod ver acnobierebs

mdgomareobis sirTules da ar

sjera opoziciis?

_ simarTle giTxraT, xalxi

TviTon gamodis quCaSi. ra Tqma

unda, politikosebma unda imuSaon

xalxTan, magram rodesac

Tavisuflebis, damoukideblobis

dakargvis safrTxe Cndeba

da sakiTxi qarTveli adamianis

Rirsebas exeba, rogoric iyo

„gavrilovis Rame”, aseT dros

xalxi aucileblad TviTon

gamodis quCaSi. qarTvelma xalxma

Zalian kargad icis, rodis

unda gamovides. is, rom arCevnebis

Semdeg ar gamovida quCaSi,

es bunebrivic iyo, radgan, pirvel

rigSi, pandemia mZvinvarebda,

Semdeg iyo boikotis procesi,

romelic ar aris umniSvnelo

faqtori, piriqiT _ es Zalian

didi berketia, rom opoziciam

SeZlo da SeinarCuna

boikotis reJimi, rac xangr-

Zlivi procesia. is, rom biZina

ivaniSvili radikalizaciisken

midis da am xalxs erTmaneTs

apirispirebs, es, ra Tqma unda,

ukureaqciasac gamoiwvevs. Cvens

xalxs aqvs Tavisi biologiuri

ritmi. dRes Tu xval Zalian

bevri adamiani gamova quCaSi.

ubralod, minda mjerodes,

radgan es Cemi, Cveni, Tqveni

qveyanaa, rom „qarTuli ocneba”,

romelsac axla goni ar moekiTxeba,

qveyanas ar gadaayolebs

Tavis Zalauflebas da iZulebuli

gaxdeba, Seisminos dasavleli

partniorebis wuxili da

rekomendaciebi, mousminos

opozicias da sazogadoebas,

sabolood wamovides molaparakebaze.

Cven mzad varT molaparakebebisTvis,

mudmivad amas

vacxadebT. meliasTanac sruliad

mSvidobianad visxediT, ubralod,

mzad viyaviT, masTan er-

Tad Cvenc davepatimrebineT da

Tu darbeva iyo, Cvenc daverbieT.

Cven agresiul qmedebebze

arasdros gadavsulvarT. aseTi

mSvidobiani, erTiani da mtkice

protesti yvelaze mZimea am xelisuflebisTvis.

igi, dRes Tu

xval, aucileblad wava daTmobaze.

xelisuflebas mouwevs

daTmobaze wasvla, radgan sxva

gamosavali ar gaaCnia. ar mjera,

rom saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi

am ekonomikuri gaWirvebis, pandemiuri

krizisisa da, zogadad,

yvelanairi krizisis fonze Cumad

Sexvdebian imas, rom

saqarTvelo ase nel-nela aRmoCndes

Tavisufali samyaros

nacvlad putinis ruseTis gavlenis

orbitaze. amas qarTveli

xalxi ar Seegueba!

_ Tqven ganmarteT, rom „er-

Tiani nacionaluri moZraobis”

ofisSi opozicioneri politi-

kosebi mSvidobianad isxediT

da Tu saWiro iqneboda, mzad

iyaviT, Tqvenc daepatimrebineT.

im SemTxvevaSi, Tu xeli-

sufleba Zalismieri meTodeb-

iT ibrZolebs da is radikal-

ur nabijebs gadadgams melias

dasapatimreblad,

rogoria

opoziciis samoqmedo taqtika?

ras etyviT im xalxs, romelsac

dapirispirebisa da situaciis

gamwvavebis eSinia?

_ yvelaferze, rac qveyanaSi

xdeba, pasuxismgebelia xelisufleba.

rodesac mmarTveli gundi

saubrobs imaze, rom TiTqos

melias mizani iyo provokaciis

mowyoba, ukacravad, magram

vin wamowia axla gavrilovis

SeTiTxnili saqme? antisaokupacio

protests gadaarqves saxelmwifo

gadatrialeba da amis

gamo meliaze aRZres saqme, axla

ki es saqme gaacocxles _ es yvelaferi

xelisuflebam gaakeTa.

anu meliam ki ar moawyo provokacia,

xelisuflebam moawyo.

Cven Cveni mxridan vambobT, rom

aranair Zaladobas ar vapirebT.

vsxedvarT „nacionaluri moZraobis”

ofisSi. rogor SeiZleba,

rom am ofisSi gadavatrialoT

xelisufleba an rame tipis

Zaladoba davgegmoT? ubralod,

vambobT, rom rodesac

kanonis saxeliT usamarTlobas

gvikanoneben, dgeba dro, rom

samarTlianoba davicvaT am

ukanono kanonis daumorCileblobiT.

Cven ar vemorCilebiT

xelisuflebis ukanonobas. igi

kunTebis TamaSs axorcielebs,

romelsac zurgs umagrebs mTeli

Zalovani struqturebi.

opozicias ra berketi aqvs kun-

Tebis saTamaSod? _ aranairi.

romeli Zalovani struqtura

gvaqvs Cven?! ase rom, rogor

unda avyveT kunTebis TamaSSi

xelisuflebas?! kunTebs xelisufleba

mTeli Tavisi represiuli

sistemiT aTamaSebs, maT

Soris, susiT, Sss-Ti, prokuraturiT.

opozicias ki gvaqvs mxolod

sityva da principuloba.

erT sibrtyeze xelisuflebisa

da opoziciis pasuxismgeblobas

veranairad ver davayenebT.

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`ivaniSvils araferi uSvelis,

Sorena marsagiSvili

marTalia, erT gundSi didxans

599 92 16 22

ar mouwiaT yofna, magram murman

dumbaZem sakmaod kargad Seiswav-

la biZina ivaniSvilis buneba. mas arasdros daujerebia, rom

„qarTuli ocnebis” damfuZnebeli politikidan wavida. mmarTv-

el partiaSi dRemde misi aCrdili rom dadis, amaSi dumbaZe

premierad RaribaSvilis wardgenam daarwmuna. murman dumba-

Ze RaribaSvilsac kargad icnobs da darwmunebulia, rom

ivaniSvilma is sagangebo misiis Sesasruleblad gamoiyvana.

ratom SearCia ivaniSvili premierad?

rogori scenariT ganvi-

Tardeba movlenebi? rodemde

SeZlebs opozicia erTad dgo-

mas? _ amis Sesaxeb opoziciis

erT-erTi lideri, murman dumb-

aZe, „qronika+”-s esaubreba:

_ gasul kviras „qarTulma

ocnebam” premieris postze irak-

li RaribaSvilis kandidatura

daasaxela. es yvelasTvis mou-

lodneli iyo. mmarTvel partia-

Si ki amtkiceben, Cven gadavwyviteTo,

magram aris safuZvliani

eWvi, rom arCevani ivaniS-

vilma gaakeTa. Tqveni versia

rogoria?

_ es gadawyvetileba piradad

biZina ivaniSvilma miiRo. mis garda

RaribaSvils premierad aravin

waradgenda. amiT man Tavis partiasac

da saqarTvelos mosaxleobasac,

romlis umravlesobac

misi winaaRmdegia, uTxra, rom

politikidan arsad wasula. aseve

man Zala gvaCvena da Tqva, roca

minda, gavagdeb adamians xelisuflebidan

da roca minda, davabrunebo.

axla maxsendeba 2015

wlis 23 dekemberi, dRe, rodesac

ivaniSvilma RaribaSvili premierobidan

gaagdo. gagdebis mizezebi

detalurad vici, magram axla

amaze ar SevCerdebi.

_ ratom ar SeCerdebiT, yve-

laze saintereso axla esaa...

_ amas sxva dros mogiyvebiT

detalurad. axla gacilebiT

saintereso ambebi midis qveyana-

Si. 2015 wlis dekemberSi RaribaSvils

misma ufrosma ramdenjerme

SemouTvala, rom posti daetovebina,

magram is gajiutda.

_ winaaRmdegoba gauwia ivaniS-

vils?

_ ufro gajiutda. roca pirvelad

SemouTvala, gadadeqio,

gaqanda Tbilisis meriaSi da

iqidan Caatara raRac RonisZieba.

ilaparaka, warmatebuli premieri

var da vagrZeleb muSaobaso. meore

dRes daureka mas ivaniSvilma

da politikidan gaagdo. ramdenime

weli is saerTod wasuli

iyo politikidan. 2019 wels

daabruna ministrad, axla ki premierad

waradgina.

_ ratom gaakeTa masze arCe-

vani?

_ imitom, rom ivaniSvils surs,

qveyana uxeSma da uzrdelma adamianma

marTos. marTviT ivaniSvili

marTavs. RaribaSvili Tavis

uzrdelobasa da uxeSobas oponentebisken

mimarTavs. mas oponentebTan

sxva eniT saubari, ubralod,

ar SeuZlia. mas aqvs mwiri

politikuri gamocdileba, ar

icis, ra aris konkurencia, warmodgena

ar aqvs Tavisuflebaze,

aklia ganaTleba.

_ ganaTleba namdvilad ar

aklia, dasavleTSi iswavla.

_ es araa ganaTleba. man dasavleTSi

aiRo diplomi, magram es

ar niSnavs, rom ganaTlebulia.

yvela xvdeba, ivaniSvilma RaribaSvili

oponentebTan dasapirispireblad

gamoiyvana wina planze,

magram amiT arsebuli suraTi

ar Seicvleba. ara mgonia, vinme

SeSindes da ukan daixios. ukan

daxeva axla ukve aRar SeiZleba.

Cveni qveyana Zalian Rrma krizis-

Sia Sesuli. nika melias dapatimrebis

gadawyvetileba iyo krizisis

apogea, mwvervali. imdenad

TvalsaCino iyo politikurad motivirebuli

saqme, rom nika melias

mTelma dasavleTma dauWira

mxari. Cveni opozicia mTlianad

mis gverdiT dadga.

Cveni dasavleli partniorebi,

saqarTveloSi akreditebuli

saelCoebi da avtoritetuli

ucxoeli politikosebi acxadeben,

rom am situaciidan gamosavali

aris dialogi da vadamdeli

arCevnebi. Cveni moTxovnac esaa.

mzad varT, xelisuflebas vadamdel

arCevnebze davelaparakoT.

konfrontacia da winaaRmdegoba

Cveni mizani ar aris. erTxel da

samudamod unda dasruldes qveynis

polarizeba. adamianebi imis

mixedviT aRar unda dafasdnen,

Tu romel partias warmoadgenen.

isini imis mixedviT unda davafasoT,

ra gamocdilebisa da Sinaarsis

matareblebi arian. mzad varT,

davsxdeT xelisuflebasTan er-

Tad da SevaTanxmoT TariRi, Tu

rodis Catardeba vadamdeli

arCevnebi. arCevnebamde kodeqsSi

unda Sevides cvlilebebi. sasurvelia,

rom arCevnebi eleqtronuli

wesiT Catardes. saqarTvelos

yvela moqalaqem unda miiRos ar-

CevnebSi monawileoba, maT Soris,

imaTac, vinc axla ucxoeTSi imyofebian.

es adamianebic Cveni moqalaqeebi

arian da maTac aqvT

ufleba, daakompleqton qarTuli

saxelmwifos xelisufleba.

_ premieris SerCevis Temas

davubrundeT. am postis

dasakaveblad kobaxiZe emzadebo-

da. ratom uTxres mas uari?

_ imitom, rom ase gadawyvita

ivaniSvilma. mTavaria, is ras

gadawyvets. misTvis saintereso

araa, Tu ras fiqrobs gundi.

_ man kobaxiZe partiis Tavmjdomared

datova, e. i. mas endo-

ba, magram premieroba ratom ar

ando? SeeSinda, rom zedmetad

gaZlierdeboda?

_ amis ar SeSinebia, ubralod,

ase gadawyvita. kobaxiZe mas sxva

frontze sWirdeba. RaribaSvili

aRmasrulebeli xelisuflebidan

Seutevs opozicias, kobaxiZe _

sakanonmdeblodan.

_ RaribaSvili da kobaxiZe

erTmaneTs rom ver itanen?

opoziciis nacvlad, erTmaneTze

murman dumbaZe:

`detalurad

mogiyvebiT, ratom

gaagdo 2015 wels

ivaniSvilma

RaribaSvili

premierobidan~

ar miitanon ieriSi.

_ erTmaneTs ver itanen, magram

maT aqvT erTi didi saerTo. es

saerTo gaxlavT biZina ivaniSvili.

„qarTul ocnebaSi” erTmaneTs

veravin itans, magram isinic

ivaniSvilis gamo itanen erTmaneTs.

visac biZina ivaniSvili ver

itanda da visac undoda misi

meurveobidan gamosvla, iman amis

gakeTeba moaxerxa.

_ giorgi gaxarias gulisx-

mobT?

_ diax. ar vityvi, rom is gmiria,

magram rac gaxariam gaakeTa, es

Zalian seriozuli ganacxadia.

sxva Tu araferi, am adamianma

mizezi ganmarta, Tu ratom wavida

premieris postidan. es ar

gaukeTebia arc giorgi kvirikaSvils

da arc mamuka baxtaZes. rac

Seexeba RaribaSvils, is ivaniSvilma

gaagdo premierobidan.

gaxariam Tavisi gadadgomiT

seriozuli ubedureba aacila

qveyanas, magram bolomde adekvaturad

ar moiqca. is politikidan

ar unda wasuliyo. mas unda

eTqva, vtoveb Tanamdebobas da

gadavdivar opoziciaSio. rodesac

gadamdgari premieri opoziciaSi

gadadis, es qveynisTvis kargia.

me aseTi saqarTvelo minda.

_ iqneb, gadavides opozicia-

Si.

_ ara mgonia. mTlad aseTi

gambedavic ar aris, Tumca gada-

WriT nurafers vityviT, yvelaferi

SeiZleba moxdes. misiT

aRfrTovanebuli ar var, magram

gadadgomis dRes man seriozuli

svla gaakeTa, riTac saxelmwifos

didi ubedureba aacila Tavidan.

_ im dRes aacila es ubedure-

ba Tavidan, magram nika melias

daWera isev dRis wesrigSi dgas.

`ar vityvi, rom is gmiria, magram rac

gaxariam gaakeTa, es Zalian seriozuli

ganacxadia. sxva Tu araferi, am adamianma

mizezi ganmarta, Tu ratom wavida premieris

postidan. es ar gaukeTebia arc giorgi

kvirikaSvils da arc mamuka baxtaZes. rac

Seexeba RaribaSvils, is ivaniSvilma gaagdo

premierobidan~

„ocnebam” nebismier wuTs SeiZle-

ba gadawyvitos operaciis

Catareba.

_ nebismier dros SeiZleba

raRac moimoqmedon, magram ara

mgonia, rom rame gamouvideT.

„qarTuli ocneba” dRiTi dRe

sustdeba. ivaniSvili marTalia,

kuluarebidan kvlav marTavs

qveyanas da partias, magram sajarod

Tqva, rom partiidan wavida. es

CvenTvis mniSvnelovani ganacxadia.

ramdenime dRis win „qarTuli

ocneba” amtkicebda, rom maT

Soris aranairi uTanxmoeba ar

aris da erTiani gundia. Zalian

male aRmoCnda, rom mniSvnelovan

sakiTxze maT sxvadasxva azri hqoniaT

da am azrTa sxvadasxvaobis

gamo premierma Tanamdebobac ki

datova. rac dro gava, es partia

kidev ufro dasustdeba. da ara

imitom, rom isini arian sustebi,

imitom sustdeba, rom opozicia

iqceva sworad. opozicias es

simtkice rom ar gamoeCina da parlamentSi

Sesuliyo, es ambebi ar

moxdeboda. parlamentSi opoziciis

arSesvlam „qarTuli ocneba”

Zalian Searyia. es politikuri

organizacia kidev ufro unda

davasustoT, es aris Cveni erTerTi

amocana. es raundi opoziciam

xelisuflebas seriozulad

mougo.

_ xval SeiZleba, imaT moigon

raundi.

_ meeWveba.

_ ratom geeWvebaT?

_ imitom meeWveba, rom vxedav,

Tu rogori erTiania opozicia. es

dReebi „nacionaluri moZraobis“

ofisSi var. sxvebTan erTad vicav

nika melias. ofisSi iseTi partiebi

modian, romelTa dasaxelebac

ki ar vici. aravin laparakobs sakuTar

partiaze, maT Soris, arc

gavleniani partiebis warmomadgenlebi.

yvela SeTanxmebulia

imaze, rom sasamarTlos usamarTlo

gadawyvetileba ar unda aRsruldes,

nika melia cixeSi ar

unda wavides. es aris Zalian kargi.

kargia imitom, rom opozicia

gagvaerTiana. verasdros warmovidgendi,

Tu „nacionalebis“ ofis-

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riggareSe arCevnebi gardauvalia~

Si daviT WiWinaZes vnaxavdi.

_ me imas ver warmovidgendi,

Tu Tqven odesme „nacionalebT-

an“ erTad dadgebodiT.

_ ase gamovida. me maTTan er-

Tad ramdenime wlis winaT davdeqi.

Cemze didi opozicia am saakaSvils

ar hyolia, magram qveyanas

axla ase sWirdeba. axla opozicia

erTad unda dadges. es mizani

met-naklebad miRweulia. verc

imas warmovidgendi, nino burjanaZe

Tu movidoda „nacionalebTan“.

is Tavis SvilTan erTad dRedaRam

aq aris.

_ axla erTianebi xarT da

erTad icavT nika melias, magram

riggareSe arCevnebi Tu dainiS-

na, iq iqnebiT erTianebi?

_ eg sxva sakiTxia. Tu arCevnebisTvis

erTi frontiT ar gamovalT,

arc es iqneba tragedia. mTavaria,

riggareSe arCevnebi dainiSnos

da jansaRi konkurencia

kargic ki iqneba. arasdros gviTqvams,

rom erTian Zalad unda

viqceT. Cven axla erToba gvWirdeba.

samarTlian garemoSi

oponirebas araferi sjobs. dae,

Cvenma mosaxleobam gadawyvitos,

vis ra doziT SeuSvebs saqarTvelos

parlamentSi. 2020 wlis 31

oqtombris arCevnebma erTi ram

calsaxad aCvena _ saqarTveloSi

erTpirovnuli da erTpartiuli

mmarTveloba mTavrdeba.

_ politikidan mimavalma

ivaniSvilma ivarauda, rom misma

partiam SeiZleba, erTmaneTi

daWamos. es gaZlevT imis Tqmis

safuZvels, rom erTpartiuli

mmarTveloba mTavrdeba?

_ ivaniSvilma isic Tqva, rom

Tu xalxi gadawyvets, Zveli xelisufleba

daabrunos, maSin xelebic

damibaniao. ivaniSvilis

sityvebi arafer SuaSia. aSkaraa,

rom erTpartiuli mmarTvelobis

epoqa warsulis sakuTreba gaxdeba.

30 weli gavida, rac saqarTvelom

damoukidebloba moipova.

amasobaSi xalxic gaizarda politikurad

da partiebic daseriozuldnen.

Cveni mosaxleoba xSirad

wuwunebs, rom politikosebs

mxolod parlamentSi moxvedra

surT, sadac TavianT cxovrebas

iwyoben da xalxi sul fexebze

kidiaT.

_ wuwunebdnen, imitom rom

realurad marTlac ase iyo.

_ adre marTla ase iyo, magram

axla viTareba Secvlilia. opoziciam

daamtkica, rom mTavari mizani

maTTvis parlamentSi moxvedra

ar aris. msxvil da wvril

partiebsac SesZlebiaT privilegiebze

uaris Tqma da quCaSi

dgoma. es saxadi mosaxdeli iyo

da Zalian kargia, rom movixadeT.

amis mere saqarTvelos moqalaqeebTan

ufro advilad mival

dasalaparakeblad.

_ aqamde giWirdaT maTTan

laparaki?

_ arasdros miWirda. yvelaze

kargad maSin vgrZnob Tavs, roca

mosaxleobas vxvdebi da kardakar

davdivar. CemTvis moqalaqeebTan

saubari ufro sasiamovnoa, vidre

teleekranze keklucoba. simar-

Tle giTxraT, cota miWirda pasuxis

gacema, roca moqalaqeebi

`nika melias dakaveba 20 ivnisis saqmeze surT. amiT ruseTsa da gavrilovs

gaugorebdnen koWs, magram mTavari amocana mainc parlamentSi Sesvlaze

vaWroba iyo. barieris dawevac SemTxveviT ar momxdara. es ivaniSvilis

tvinSi moixarSa. man icoda, rom arCevnebi unda gayalbebuliyo da ifiqra,

patar-patara partiebs ufro iolad daviyoliebo, magram Secda~

mekiTxebodnen, _ ras mikeTebT es

politikosebi mas Semdeg, rac

parlamentSi SexvalTo? axla maT

SemiZlia vuTxra, rom opoziciuri

partiebi gaizardnen da isini

danapirebs asruleben.

_ is danapirebi namdvilad

Seasrula opoziciam, rom gayalbebul

arCevnebs ar gaamarTleb-

da. ramdenime kaci mainc Sevida

opoziciidan parlamentSi, ma-

gram mTavari birTvi gareTaa.

_ imaT opoziciad ar miviCnev,

vinc parlamentSi Sevida. sul 6

kaczea saubari. 54 kaci gareTaa.

opozicia parlamentSi rom Sesuliyo,

nika melias daWeris

gadawyvetilebas ar miiRebda

„ocneba” da Semdeg arc gaxaria

gadadgeboda postidan.

_ nika melia sxvebTan erTad 31

oqtombris Semdeg gaiZaxis, rom

parlamentSi ar Seva da axla ra-

tom gadawyvites misi dakaveba?

_ „ocnebaSi” aris araadekvaturi

xalxi da Znelia imis axsna,

Tu ratom SearCies es dro. Sei-

Zleba ifiqres, rom amiT rames

miaRwevdnen.

_ magaliTad, ras? melias daW-

eris TemiT opoziciasTan

ivaWrebdnen, rom parlamentSi

SesuliyaviT?

_ nika melias dakaveba 20 ivnisis

saqmeze surT. amiT ruseTsa

da gavrilovs gaugorebdnen koWs,

magram mTavari amocana mainc parlamentSi

Sesvlaze vaWroba iyo.

barieris dawevac SemTxveviT ar

momxdara. es ivaniSvilis tvinSi

moixarSa. man icoda, rom arCevnebi

unda gayalbebuliyo da ifiqra,

patar-patara partiebs ufro

iolad daviyoliebo, magram

Secda. „evropeli socialistebisa”

da elisaSvil-ioselianis Sesvla

verafers cvlis. dasavleTi

erTxmad aRiarebs, rom saqarTve-

`yvela SeTanxmebulia imaze, rom sasamarTlos

usamarTlo gadawyvetileba ar unda

aRsruldes, nika melia cixeSi ar unda

wavides. es aris Zalian kargi. kargia imitom,

rom opozicia gagvaerTiana. verasdros

warmovidgendi, Tu `nacionalebis~ ofisSi

daviT WiWinaZes vnaxavdi~

los hyavs erTpartiuli parlamenti.

es ver aitana ivaniSvilma

da gadawyvita, viRac daeWira. samizned

nika melia SearCia, romelic

mTavari opoziciuri partiis

lideria. egona, vinmes SeaSinebda,

magram piriqiT moxda. yvelaferi

mis winaaRmdeg Semobrunda. simarTlesTan

brZola Zalian Znelia.

ivaniSvils tyuilad hgonia, rom

vinmes daaSinebs. arc misi fuli

Secvlis rames. aslan abaSiZes masze

aranaklebi fuli hqonda, magram

ra moigo? is aWaraSi imaze

metad akontrolebda viTarebas,

vidre biZina _ saqarTvelos, magram

esec fuWi gamodga. abaSiZes

arc iman uSvela, baTumSi mdebare

samxedro baza rom umagrebda

zurgs.

premierad RaribaSvilis wardgeniT

ivaniSvilma daamtkica, rom

erTi erTSi hgavs aslan abaSiZes.

iyo aseTi jemal gogitiZe, ramdenime

wlis winaT gardaicvala,

RmerTma acxonos misi suli. aba-

SiZe raRac periodi gaunawyenda

gogitiZes da moiSora, mere isev

daabruna da gauSva parlamentSi.

„vardebis revoluciis“ Semdeg

Sinagan saqmeTa ministradac dani-

Sna, magram araferi eSvela. roca

cvlilebebi gardauvalia da xalxi

Seni winaaRmdegia, vinc ginda,

is gaiyvane da Semoiyvane, azri ar

aqvs. aseTi viTarebaa axla ivaniSvilis

Tavs. mas araferi uSvelis.

riggareSe arCevnebi gardauvalia.

sinaTle da simarTle rom bnelze

imarjvebs, araerTxel damtkicda.

es „qarTulma ocnebam”

TavSi unda SeuSvas. es WeSmariteba

im partiebmac unda Seignon,

romlebic vadamdeli arCevnebis

Semdeg movlen xelisuflebaSi.

_ aseTi darwmunebuli ratom

xarT, rom arCevnebi Catardeba?

rame damatebiT informacias

flobT, rac Cven ar viciT?

_ informaciebs rogor ar

vflob, magram vadamdeli arCevnebis

aucileblobaze arsebuli

viTareba metyvelebs. es krizisi

mxolod arCevnebiT ganimuxteba.

ivaniSvili situaciis ganmuxtvaze

rom ar fiqrobs, aSkaraa. mas ramis

Secvla rom surdes, premierad

RaribaSvils ar waradgenda.

RaribaSvili is adamiania,

romelic oponentebis winaaRmdeg

aucileblad ganaxorcielebs

represiebs. am represiebis wyalobiT

SesaZloa, ramdenime kviriT

gaixangrZlivos Zalaufleba, magram

sabolood mainc marcxisTvis

aris ganwiruli. Tan

amisTvis Zalian Zviri fasis gadaxda

mouwevs.

_ sanqciebis dawesebas gulisxmobT?

devid kramerma gaaJR-

era sanqciebis Tema.

_ man pirdapir Tqva, rom sanqciebis

dawesebamde miva saqme.

aseT gancxadebebs sxva amerikeli

politikosebic akeTeben. Sewuxebulia

evropac. RaribaSvilis

gapremierebis ambavma aravin gaaxara.

_ dasavleTi ratom damwuxr-

da RaribaSvilis gapremierebis

gamo?

_ imitom, rom RaribaSvili

dasavleli partniorebis gadagdebaSic

aris SemCneuli. is dasavluri

klasis politikosebTan

urTierTobas miCveuli ar aris.

mas arc dasavluri politikis gaegeba

rame. premierad rom dani-

Snes, janyaraSvili wamowia wina

planze. mere Tavis naTesavebs moagebina

tenderebi. premieri aseT

donemde rom dava, is maRali

klasis politikosad ver CaiTvleba.

darwmunebuli varT, xelisuflebis

mxridan iqneba provokaciebi,

rasac opozicia mSvidobiani

protestiT upasuxebs.

Cveni amocanaa, dainiSnos riggareSe

arCevnebi. arsebuli vi-

Tareba mxolod ase ganimuxteba.

SevecdebiT, dasavlel partniorebs

davelaparakoT, maTTan

erTad ki xelisuflebasTan dialogi

vawarmooT, sadac mTavari

sakiTxi riggareSe arCevnebi iqneba.

am procesSi, rogorc yovel-

Tvis, gansakuTrebul rols

amerika Seasrulebs.

_ Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom

aSS-is prezidenti baidenia da

ara trampi, amerika marTla gan-

sakuTrebul rols iTamaSebs.

_ aSS-is prezidenti rom baidenia,

es Zalian mniSvnelovani faqtoria.

dasavleTi seriozulad

imuSavebs. qveynis SigniTac Seicvala

„ocnebis” mimarT damokidebuleba.

melias ambavma yvelaferi

Secvala. saxalxo damcvelma Zalian

mniSvnelovani gancxadeba gaakeTa.

misTvis ar iqneboda ioli

sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebaze

esaubra, magram es iyo usamarTlo

gadawyvetileba _ adamians

cixeSi uSveben mxolod imis gamo,

rom man saqarTvelos parlamentSi

rusi komunistis yofna gaaprotesta.

gavrilovi mxolod

kompartiis warmomadgeneli rom

yofiliyo, kidev ara uSavs, magram

es is kacia, romelsac afxazeTisa

da cxinvalis damoukidebloba

aqvs aRiarebuli. is Cveni saxelmwifos

mteria. da rogorc am adamians

daatovebines 2019 wels

saqarTvelo da parlamenti, aseve

datovebs „qarTuli ocneba” xelisuflebas.

riggareSe arCevnebi

„qarTul ocnebas” daasrulebs.

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ukve Riad aSantaJebs: yveba raRa-

cebs da ambobs, rom kidev bevris Tqma SeuZlia. mis naambobebsa

da gancxadebebSi yvelaze saintereso is iyo, rom opozici-

is msgavsad riggareSe arCevnebis Catarebas iTxovs. igi

opoziciasTan TanamSromlobisTvisac mzadaa. imisTvis, rom

gogaSvili opozicias Caexutos, opozicionerebi malxaz maCa-

likaSvils unda gaemijnon. 2017 wlis dekemberSi specoperaciis

dros mokluli Temirlan maCalikaSvilis mama darwmunebulia,

rom gogaSvili opoziciis rigebSi eZebs TavSesafars.

mas sjera, rom susis yofil ufross arc opozicia Sei-

farebs da arc _ eklesia.

ra pirobebs uyenebs opozi-

cias soso gogaSvili? ratom ar

gaikarebs mas RaribaSvili? vin

marTavs pankisis xeobis uxuces-

ebs? aqvs Tu ara samarTlianobis

aRdgenis imedi Svilmkvdar mamas?

_ amis Sesaxeb malxaz maCalikaS-

vili „qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ susis ufrosis yofili

moadgile isev gaaqtiurda. soso

gogaSvilma „tv pirvelis” eTer-

Si viTom skandaluri faqtebi

gaaJRera da viRac gaafrTxila,

meti vicio. amis garda man

arasamTavrobo organizaciac Seqmna.

Tqveni azriT, ras ukavSird-

eba am adamianis gaaqtiureba?

_ misi nebismieri gamoCena

televiziiT an mediis sxva saSualebiT

cud raRacas ukavSirdeba.

gogaSvili cdilobs TavSesafris

povnas. CemTvis gasagebia, Tu

ra mdgomareobaSia axla is. susis

ufrosis yofili moadgile yvela

mxridan grZnobs safrTxis moaxloebas.

_ ra safrTxeze saubrobT? vin

uqmnis mas safrTxes? ggoniaT,

rom „qarTuli ocneba” mas daap-

atimrebs? amis Sesaxeb mediaSi

araerTxel gavrcelda informa-

cia.

_ xelisuflebaSi iyo mis

dakavebaze saubari. amis Sesaxeb

gogaSvili informirebulia da

icis, rom „qarTuli ocnebidan”

safrTxe elodeba. marto „ocnebisgan”

rom elodebodes safrTxes,

aseT dReSi ar iqneboda. susis

ufrosis moadgiled muSobisas man

Zalian bevri mteri gaiCina. imdeni

mteri hyavs, rom Zalianac rom

moindomos, saqarTvelodan ver

gaiqceva. mtrebi mas yvelgan miagneben.

erTaderTi misi saimedo

TavSesafari aris saqarTvelo. ra

gasakviria, rom es adamiani

saqarTveloSi eZebs TavSesafars.

es TavSesafari unda iyos an eklesia,

an _ opozicia.

gogaSvili kargad myavs Seswavlili.

vici, sad da visTan dadis,

ra interesebi aqvs, riT sunTqavs.

imdenad mZime dReSia, rom mexis

gavardnasaviT eSinia sakuTari

Crdilis danaxvisac. is Tavis

mcirericxovan garemocvasTan

erTad CixSia moqceuli. gamwarebuli

eZebs usafrTxo adgils. vimeoreb:

is opoziciasa da eklesia-

Si cdilobs SeZromas. misi nebaa,

eklesiaSi wava Tu romelime

opoziciuri partiis wevri gaxdeba,

amas ver avukrZalav. biZina

ivaniSvilis dacvis ufrosic rom

gaxdes, magis saqme wasulia, wasuli!

imis imedi tyuilad aqvs, rom

me Temirlanis saqmes daviviwyeb.

amis gamo is aucileblad agebs

pasuxs. ramdenadac vici, magas vi-

Racebi aimedeben, cota xanic moicade

da maCalikaSvils Tavisi Svilis

ambavi daaviwydebao.

_ vin aimedebs? Tqveni nac-

nobebi aZleven amis imeds?

_ am adamianebs vicnob. zogi

xeobis mkvidria, zogic TbilisSi

cxovrobs.

_ xeobaSi hyavs gogaSvils mx-

ardamWerebi? ucxom ratom unda

daaimedos?

_ mas mxardamWerebi saqarTvelos

yvela kuTxeSi hyavs. viRacebi

pankisSic uWeren mxars gogaSvils.

CemTvis Zneli dasajerebeli

iyo, roca gavige, rom xeobidan

susSi 102 satelefono zari iyo

Sesuli. am zaris avtorebi xelisuflebas

Cems ganeitralebas

sTxovdnen da undodaT, rom me

davekavebineT. Jurnalistebma

Zalian kargad iciT, rom Cemi

brZola mxolod erT mizans ukav-

Sirdeba _ daisajon Temirlanis

mkvlelebi. am moTxovniT Zalian

aqtiuri var. viRacas es raRacad

eCveneba da susSi rekavs, _ maCalikaSvili

gaaneitraleTo. arada,

gasaneitralebeli araferi mWirs.

mxolod im adamianebis dasja

msurs, romlebmac im sisxliani

specoperaciis dros Cemi Svili

mokles. me momikles mZinare bavSvi

da Cems ganeitralebas iTxoven.

_ Tqvens ganeitralebas maSin

iTxovdnen, roca gogaSvili iyo

susis ufrosis moadgile, Tu misi

wamosvlis Semdeg?

_ susSi gogaSvilis drosac

rekavdnen da misi wamosvlis Semdegac.

mova dro da yvela maTganis

vinaobas davasaxeleb. pankisidan,

am patara xeobidan, 102-ma

adamianma mosTxova suss Cemi ganeitraleba.

susSi msgavsi tipis

zarebi saqarTvelos sxva regionebidanac

Sedioda. etyoba, am kategoriis

xalxi aimedebs gogaSvils.

eubnebian, gava dro da maCalikaSvils

sxvebTan erTad daaviwydeba

yvelaferi da Sen Tavisuflad

ivlio. imasac sjera amis da

raRacisTvis emzadeba. bolomde

araa darwmunebuli, rom Tavis

Cadenili arakacobebi SerCeba da

amitom cdilobs, opoziciaSi an

eklesiaSi SeZvres. amis garda

kidev sxvadasxva meTodiT cdilobs

xelaxla Tavis damkvidrebas.

_ ra meTodebiT? kompromate-

biT xom ara, romelic gogaSvils

mravlad eqneba? kaci wlebis ganmavlobaSi

susis ufrosis moadg-

ile iyo.

_ mas iseTi Tanamdeboba ekava,

rom blomad eqneba kompromati. am

kompromatebiT mas nebismier Cinovnikze

SeuZlia gavlenis moxdena.

kompromatebs rom inaxavs, amas

arc Tavad malavs. mediiT da feisbuqiT

araerTxel dawera, rom

raRacebs vityvio. amiT is rigi Cinovnikebis

daSantaJebas cdilobs.

_ rogor fiqrobT, daaSantaJa

vinme?

_ ar gamovricxav. is susis gavleniani

Cinosani iyo da seriozuli

kompromatebi eqneboda. viRacebs

momavalSi daaSantaJebs.

Zalian bevri kompromati aqvs am

malxaz maCalikaSvili:

binZurs.

_ kompromatebi, rogorc am-

boben, magazec mravlad aris.

_ magaze aris Tu aris _

Tavidan bolomde kompromatia!

_ Tqven TqviT, rom viRacebs

aSantaJebs da viRacebis daSanta-

Jebas momavalSic Seecdebao. mas

ivaniSvilzec eqneba raRac

masalebi. mis daSantaJebas Tu

gabedavs gogaSvili?

_ ivaniSvilze SeiZleba raRac

icis, magram seriozuli masalebi

`xelisuflebaSi iyo mis dakavebaze saubari.

amis Sesaxeb gogaSvili informirebulia da

icis, rom `qarTuli ocnebidan~ safrTxe

elodeba. marto `ocnebisgan~ rom elodebodes

safrTxes, aseT dReSi ar iqneboda. susis

ufrosis moadgiled muSobisas man Zalian

bevri mteri gaiCina. imdeni mteri hyavs, rom

Zalianac rom moindomos, saqarTvelodan ver

gaiqceva. mtrebi mas yvelgan miagneben.

erTaderTi misi saimedo TavSesafari aris

saqarTvelo. ra gasakviria, rom es adamiani

saqarTveloSi eZebs TavSesafars. es

TavSesafari unda iyos an eklesia, an -

opozicia~

`gogaSvili,

Cataevi da

TalakvaZis

Zma xorcis

biznesSi

iyvnen~

ar eqneba. romc hqondes, ivaniSvilis

daSantaJebas ver gabedavs. is

patara wurbelaa da misi kompromatebic

iseTia, rogorc patara

wurbelas ekadreba. mas dabali

rangis Cinovnikebis daSantaJeba

namdvilad SeuZlia. xelisuflebis

pirvel pirebs verafers daaklebs.

maT winaaRmdeg raime seriozul

masalas rom flobdes, sxvanairad

imoqmedebda.

_ sxvanairad, rogor?

_ ase ki ar ifarTxalebda

televiziebSi, sxva gzebs gamonaxavda.

erTi rame faqtia, rom is

opoziciasTan vaWrobs.

_ ratom fiqrobT, rom opozi-

ciasTan vaWrobs?

_ man „tv pirvelTan” Riad

Tqva, Tu opoziciuri partiebi

gaemijnebian maCalikaSvils, maSin

me maTTan viTanamSromlebo.

_ imas ar kiTxulobs, unda

opozicias masTan TanamSromlo-

ba?

_ hgonia, rom opozicia masTan

TanamSromlobas moindomebs.

_ ratom hgonia, rame safuZve-

li aqvs, rom ase ifiqros?

_ mas, rogorc ukve giTxariT,

xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebze

kompromatebi aqvs. fiqrobs, rom

am kompromatebiT is opoziciisTvis

saintereso figuraa. imdenad

didi warmodgena aqvs sakuTar

Tavze, rom ultimatumebs ayenebs.

opozicias eubneba, terorist ma-

CalikaSvils gaemijneT da Tqven-

Tan viTanamSromlebo. sircxvili

da usamarTloba teroristi me

rom meZaxis terorists! me arasdros

vyofilvar teroristi, man

ki Caidina teroristuli aqti! adamians

saxlSi rom Seuvardebi da

mZinare bavSvs mouklav, teroristi

xar, aba, vin xar?! bavSvebs

mxolod teroristebi xocaven.

soso gogaSvilis SeTavazeba TanamSromlobaze

nebismieri partiisTvis

Seuracxmyofeli unda

iyos. rogor SeiZleba, partia

teroristTan TanamSromlobdes?!

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mas RaribaSvili aRar gaikarebs~

_ darCa am SeTavazebiT opozi-

cia Seuracxyofili?

_ darCeboda. mis winadadebas

aravin gamoxmaurebia, yuradRebis

Rirsadac ar CauTvliaT.

_ ar aqvs mas opoziciaSi

SeZromis Sansi?

_ ver getyviT. araferi gamakvirvebs.

zemoT giTxariT, rom

patara pankisidan 102 adamians

aqvs susSi darekili, _ maCalikaSvili

gaaneitraleTo. isini mkvlelebis

dasjas ki ar iTxoven,

Cemi ganeitraleba undaT, romelic

mxolod samarTals eZebs.

_ zemoT Tqven isic miTxariT,

rom gogaSvili eklesiaSi cdi-

lobs SeZromaso. iq miiReben am

adamians? eklesiaSic bevri sib-

inZure aqvs datrialebuli soso

gogaSvils.

_ simarTle giTxraT, religiur

sakiTxze saubrisas Zalian

vfrTxilob, gansakuTrebiT maSin,

Tu saqme Cems religias ar exeba.

samwuxarod, eklesiaSi ar midis

kargad procesebi. Tavad sasuliero

pirebi gviyvebian, rom maTTan

aTasi saSineleba da ubedureba

xdeba. iq gogaSvilTan daaxloebuli

pirebi arian. isini am adamians,

albaT, mxars dauWeren.

_ Tavis droze, gogaSvili

irakli RaribaSvilTan daaxloe-

bul pirad miiCneoda. es adamiani

premierad modis. gamoricxavT,

rom man gogaSvili maRal postze

daniSnos?

_ e. w. kaxurs klans, romelsac

RaribaSvili da TamazaSvili warmoadgenen,

Zalian kargad vicnob.

iyo dro, gogaSvili maTi gundis

wevrad moiazreboda, magram mere

raRacebi Seicvala. Tan gogaSvili

iseTi gasvrilia, rom is aravis

sWirdeba... amitom mgonia, mas

RaribaSvili aRar gaikarebs.

_ gogaSvilma vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebis aucile-

blobaze rom daiwyo saubari,

amaze ras fiqrobT? vadamdel

arCevnebs opozicia iTxovs da

viTom magaT gaugora koWi, Tu

rame sxva gaTvla aqvs?

_ mas sakuTari Tavis gadarCena

unda da cdilobs, axali mfarvelebi

ipovos. saqarTveloSi yvela

grZnobs, rom vadamdeli arCevnebi

gardauvalia, amas gogaSvilic

xvdeba. amitom gamovarda

da Tqva, vadamdeli arCevnebia gamosavalio.

nebismieri mcenare,

romelic miwisqveSaa, Tovlis

dadnobasa da gaTbobas elodeba,

rom Tavi wamoyos. ase aris es

gogaSvili. is xom nexvis Wiaa, miwaSia

CamZvrali da axla cdilobs,

yvavilad mogvevlinos. amitom

alaparakda vadamdeli arCevnebis

aucileblobaze. amaze trolbotebsac

aakivlebda, magram rac

susidan gamoagdes, aRar hyavs

trolebi.

_ ise, karga xania, trolbotebs

Tqvenze ieriSi aRar moutaniaT.

es gogaSvilis ganei-

tralebas xom ar ukavSirdeba?

_ es pirdapir kavSirSi iyo mag

araadamianTan. gogaSvils 60

trol-boti hyavda, romlebsac

xelfass uxdida. maT sxvadasxva

adamianis, maT Soris, Cemi gaSaveba

hqondaT davalebuli. es

trolebi karga xania, aRar aqtiuroben.

fuls aravin gadauxdis

Cems gaSavebaSi da ratom unda

mlanZRon?

_ Tqvens gasaSaveblad gogaS-

vilma bevri rame gaakeTa. amas ar

sjobda, mosuliyo da daglapar-

akebodaT? an, iqneb, scada da

Tqven uari TqviT masTan Sexvedraze?

TqvenTvis ioli ar iqne-

boda masTan saubari.

_ Zalian gamiWirdeboda masTan

Sexvedra. es CemTvis Zalian mZime

iqneboda, amis miuxedavad, aucileblad

movusmendi. im sisxliani

specoperaciidan bevri detali

CemTvis ucnobia da raRacebis

garkveva dRemde msurs. mindoda

masTan dalaparakeba, magram gogaSvils

ar eyo imis kacoba, rom

Semxvedroda. samagierod, momisia

trolebi da daiwyo Cemi gaSaveba.

_ es marTla gamouvida.

_ man mxolod adamianebis

gaSaveba icis. mis garda Cemi Svilis

saqmeSi kidev ramdenime adamiania

damnaSave. isini grZnoben TavianT

danaSauls da cdiloben, xma

ar amoiRon. maT Soris arc gome-

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`pankisis xeobis

uxucesebs susi marTavs~

laurs vuxsenebivar. marto gogaSvili

gamodioda Cem winaaRmdeg.

yvelaze meti danaSauli mas aqvs

Cadenili da etyoba, ifiqra, rom

Cemi gaSavebiT gadafaravda bavSvis

mkvlelobas. CemTvis yvelaze

miuRebeli is tyuili iyo, rac man

Cems Svilze gaavrcela. is sami

dRe imyofeboda TelavSi da xmebs

avrcelebda, rom TiTqos Cataevi

daukavSirda Cems Svils da mere

Temirlani damikavSirda me. es

aris is binZuri Wori, romlis

gavrcelebasac mas verasdros vapatieb.

_ es Wori rodis gaavrcela _

specoperaciamde Tu specoper-

aciis Semdeg?

_ specoperaciis mere Camovida

TelavSi, sadac uxucesebsac Sexvda.

_ Tqven uxucesebis nawilis

mimarT pretenziebi gqondaT,

radganac maT ufro gogaSvils

daujeres, vidre _ Tqven.

_ me var Svilmokluli mama,

romelic ukve ramdenime welia,

`ivaniSvilze SeiZleba raRac icis, magram

seriozuli masalebi ar eqneba. romc hqondes,

ivaniSvilis daSantaJebas ver gabedavs. is

patara wurbelaa da misi kompromatebic

iseTia, rogorc patara wurbelas ekadreba.

mas dabali rangis Cinovnikebis daSantaJeba

namdvilad SeuZlia. xelisuflebis pirvel

pirebs verafers daaklebs~

amaod eZebs samarTals, amitom

arafris Tqmas aRar veridebi da

vityvi, rom pankisis uxucesTa

sabWo pirdapir uSiSroebis samsaxurebis

dafuZnebulia. mas marTavs

susi. bodiSi am sityvebisTvis, magram

yvela fexebze mkidia, vinc

susisgan da uSiSroebisgan imarTeba.

_ pankisSi uxucesTa sabWo xom

manamde arsebobda, sanam susi

Seiqmneboda?

_ ivaniSvilis xelisuflebaSi

mosvlamde yvelafers Tavisi saxeli

erqva, maT Soris, uxucesebsac.

ivaniSvilis mosvlis Semdeg

uxucesTa sabWos ukve susi mar-

Tavs. Zalian samwuxaroa, aseTi

ramis Tqma rom miwevs, magram realoba

aseTia. me simarTlisTvis

vibrZvi da simarTle unda vilaparako.

mova dro da yvelafers

Tavisi saxeli daerqmeva. gairkveva,

vin xalxs emsaxureboda da vin

_ sussa da gogaSvils. gogaSvils

aucileblad mouwevs sakuTar

namoqmedarze pasuxisgeba. tyuilad

aqvs imis imedi, rom opoziciaSi

SeZvreba da amiT Tavs gadairCens.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

opozicia mas gverdiT ar daiyenebs?

iseTi odiozuri figure-

bi daiyenes gverdiT, rom arc

gogaSvilis gamoCena gamikvirde-

ba maT rigebSi.

_ gogaSvilze uaresi adamiani,

ubralod, ar arsebobs, amitom ara

mgonia, rom opoziciam is miiRos.

Tu mis miRebas gadawyvets, maSin

me unda gamemijnon, rogorc amas

is aramzada iTxovs. CemTvis mTavaria

xalxis mxardaWera, opozicia

Tu gamemijna, amasac gadavitan.

_ romelime partiis wevri Tu

xarT?

_ arc erTi partiis wevri ar

var, amitom ar vici, rogor unda

gamemijnos opozicia. verc me Sevmateb

maT rames da verc isini

damakleben, Tu gamemijnebian.

opoziciis gverdiT imitom vdgavar,

rom qveyanaSi arsebul usamarTlobas

vebrZvi.

_ gogaSvilis SeTavazebidan

raRac dro gavida. rame cvlile-

bebi xom ar SeginiSnavT Tqvendami

opoziciis damokidebulebaSi?

_ aranairi cvlileba ar aris.

me isev maTTan erTad vaprotesteb

qveyanaSi arsebul usamarTlobas.

metic: rac gogaSvilma

ultimatumi wamoayena, opoziciis

mxridan ufro met siTbosa da

pativiscemas vgrZnob.

_ Tqven wina mowvevis parla-

mentisgan aqtiurad iTxovdiT

droebiTi komisiis Seqmnas,

romelsac Tqveni Svilis saqme

unda Seeswavla. axla aseTi moTx-

ovnis dayeneba, albaT, uazrobaa.

opozicia parlamentSi ar aris,

rom komisia Seiqmnas. is simar-

Tles ar daadgens.

_ marTalia, axla aseTi moTxovnis

dayenebas azri ar aqvs. saparlamento

arCevnebi samarTlianad

rom Catarebuliyo da

opoziciisTvis xmebi ar moeparaT,

es komisia parlamentSi ukve Seqmnili

iqneboda. erTpartiuli parlamenti

Cemi moTxovnis safuZvelze

komisias arc Seqmnis da

rom Seqmnas, iqiT gamomiyvans damnaSaved.

simarTlis dadgenaSi maT

soso gogaSvilic SeuSlis xels.

parlamentis Tavmjdomare arCil

TalakvaZis daSantaJeba mas marTla

SeuZlia.

_ ranairad daaSantaJebs go-

gaSvili TalakvaZes?

_ ranairad? gogaSvili, Cataevi

da TalakvaZis Zma erT biznes-

Si iyvnen. saubaria xorcis biznesze.

am saqmeSi Cataevs 300.000

dolari hqonda Cadebuli. maTTan

erTad iyo irakli CimakaZe. am

fulisTvis iyo Camosuli aq Cataevi.

mas susi da gogaSvili malavdnen.

mogexsenebaT, rom Cataevs

TurqeTSi teraqtebi hqonda mowyobili

da mas mTeli msoflio

eZebda. TurqeTis specsamsaxurebma

TavianTi wyaroebiT gaiges, rom

Cveni Zalovnebi TbilisSi malavdnen

Cataevs. amas mohyva erTi ambavi.

saxe rom SeenarCunebinaT,

gogaSvili adga da gabriel salosis

quCaze specoperaciis msgavsi

ram Caatara. mere daiwyes zRaprebis

moyola, rom viTom Cataevi da

masTan myofi pirebi teraqtebs

amzadebdnen. am specoperaciam

bevri kiTxvis niSani da eWvi gaaCina.

saWiro iyo am eWvebis gafantva

da gadawyvites, pankisSi CaetarebinaT

specoperacia. am specoperaciis

dros is biWebi unda

daekavebinaT, romlebic susze

muSaobdnen da Cataevis CamoyvanaSi

monawileobdnen. zogi maTgani

cixeSi unda gaeSvaT, erT-erTi ki

daiRupeboda. rodesac specoperacia

cudad tardeba, iq saWiroa

gvami. klaven imas, vinc yvelaze

meti icis. am SemTxvevaSic imis

mokvla iyo dagegmili, vinc yvelaze

meti icoda. saxli SeeSalaT

da SecdomiT CvenTan Semovardnen,

ra drosac momikles mZinare bavSvi.

am ambavSi bevri vinmea CarTuli

da amitom ar isjeba am saqmeze

aravin. Tan is adamiani cocxalia,

vinc yvelaferi icis. adre Tu

gvian am saqmes sinaTle mainc moefineba.

darwmunebuli var, vadamdeli

arCevnebi Catardeba da mere

yvelaferi Seicvleba.

„qarTuli ocneba” sanam xelisuflebaSia,

arc Cemi Svilis

saqme gaixsneba da arc sxva bavSvebis

mkvlelebi daisjebian, amitom

yvelanairad vibrZvi, rom es

xelisufleba Seicvalos.

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Jurnalisti, xaTuna paiWaZe,

saqarTvelos 577 10 07 06 romelic dRes niu-iorkSi radio

„saunjis” wamyvania, „qronika+~-s

skandalur intervius aZlevs saqarTvelo-azerbaijanisa da

saqarTvelo-somxeTis sazRvrebze viTarebis Sesaxeb.

xaTuna paiWaZe 2014 wels

xelisuflebaSi axlad mosuli

„qarTuli ocnebis” prokuraturis

pres-samsaxuris ufrosi

gaxldaT. mis xelT arsebu-

li informacia marTlac uni-

kaluria.

_ - saqmeze sakmaod sain-

tereso detalebi gagvimxileT

sazRvrebis ukanono gasxviseb-

is Sesaxeb...

_ minda icodeT, rom sazRvris

delimitaciisa da demarkaciis

komisiis wevrebi sistematurad

icvlebodnen, weliwadSi

ramdenjerme. maT Soris,

am komisiis Tavmjdomarec. es

specialurad xdeboda, raTa

arc erT maTgans ar aeRo pasuxismgebloba

anda saqmeSi detalurad

garkveuliyo. maxsovs,

2011 wels damirekes saqarTvelos

moqalaqe azerbaijanelebma

da miTxres, rom sadaxloSi

maTi ijariT aRebuli miwebi

somxeTs gadasces.

_ saqarTvelos sazRvrebSi

arsebul miwazea saubari?

_ diax. Cavedi adgilze da

gavarkvieT, rom manamde ramdenime

heqtari ijariT hqondaT

aRebuli saqarTvelos moqalaqe

pirebs, erovnebiT azerbaijanelebs.

erT mSvenier dRes miadgnen

da uTxres, es somxuri

miwebia da axla aqedan gaqriTo.

gamoyares iqidan, Cadga Cveni

mxridan qarTuli sasazRvro

policia da imaTi mxridan _

somxuri sasazRvro policia.

sacxovrebeli saxlebis patronebma,

romelic sasazRvro

xazSi moeqca, calke xmauri

atexes da iyo erTi ambavi. daviwye

kvleva, Tu ranairad gadaeca

es miwa somxebs, vinaidan

oficialurad arc delimitacia

da arc demarkacia ar momxdara.

amas mTeli procedurebis

gavla sWirdeba, romlis

drosac sakiTxi parlamentSi

mosmenaze gadis, is prezidentma

unda ganixilos, xeli moaweros

da a. S.

sad ar mivedi, vis ar mivadeqi,

sad ar davreke parlamentisa

da sagareo saqmeTa saministros

CaTvliT, yvelgan viRebdi

pasuxs, rom Cven ar viciTo.

Cavedi isev da mesazRvreebs

vekiTxebi, _ ris safuZvelze

gadmoiwia sasazRvro zolmameTqi?

meubnebian, rom arc Cven

viciT, magram raRac axali

azomvebi gakeTda, aerogada-

Rebebi Caatares da es miwa,

Turme, somxebis yofilao. iseT

sisulelesa da absurds meubneba

qarTveli mesazRvre, rom

sadaxlos gamgebelTan mivedi.

moviTxoveT sazRvris ruka, amasobaSi

mivageni 1960 wels

gamocemul rukas, romelzedac

miTxres, rom gamgeobaSi inaxebao.

dava hqonda mosaxleobas

mezobel soflebTan da es ruka

maSin moiZies. mivedi gamgeoba-

Si, gavSaleT ruka da viRebT,

Tan gamgebeli mixsnis, Tu sad

gadioda manamde sazRvari. am

rukas rom vswavlobdiT, giJiviT

amovarda qvemo qarTlis imdroindeli

gubernatori daviT

kirkitaZe. gagvlanZRa, _ Tqven

aq modixarT da provokaciebs

awyobTo, es xalxi aq gmirebi

ariano. gamogvglija xelidan

es rukebi da waiRo. sawyal

gamgebels civma oflma daasxa,

radgan egona, rom karg saqmes

akeTebda, Tavis sazRvars icavda

da gubernatori mouvarda.

Camovedi am masalebiT da veZeb

TbilisSi, vis movkiTxo, Tu ratom

gadaiwia sazRvari. sazRvris

dacvis departamenti xmas ar

mcems da maSin mivxvdi, rom ver

gvaqvs qveyanaSi sazRvrebis

dacvasTan dakavSirebuli situacia

gamarTulad, imitom rom

pasuxis gamcemi ar aRmoCnda

aravin. ver vnaxe, ra dokumentis

safuZvelze gamoyares

qarTvelma mesazRvreebma arendirebuli

miwebidan saqarTvelos

moqalaqeebi da iq Cadga

sxva qveynis sasazRvro Senaer-

Ti. meored rom Cavedi, somxebs

iq sasazRvro bazis mSenebloba

hqondaT ukve dawyebuli. maSin

gavicani jano kekelia _ cnobili

kartografi, romelmac

zepirad icoda saqarTvelos

sazRvrebi, daviTgarejis spcialisti

da romelic dRes

cocxali aRar aris.

_ samwuxarod, vinaidan is

erTaderTi adamiani gaxldaT,

vinc daviTgarejis saqmes far-

das axdida.

_ analogiuri viTareba moxda

sofel erisimedSi. sofeli

mdebareobs kaxeTSi, saqarTvelo-azerbaijanis

sazRvarze.

miuxedavad imisa, rom is oficialurad

saqarTvelos SemadgenlobaSia,

sasazRvro policiis

saguSagos gavlisa da mesazRvris

JurnalSi registraciis

gareSe veravin gadioda.

yvelaze sagangaSo ki iciT,

ra iyo? es saguSago zed azerbaijani-saqarTvelos

sazRvarze

ki ar iyo, aramed soflamde

erT kilometrSi.

_ soflis SesasvlelSi?

_ faqtobrivad, romlis iqiT

qarTuli sofelia ganTavsebuli,

sadac cxovroben ekomigrantebi

aWaridan da qistebi.

adgilobriv mosaxleobas piradobis

damadasturebeli mowmoba

sul jibeSi aqvs _ ise saku-

saqarTvelos mier

somxeTisTvis da

azerbaijanisTvis gadacemuli

ucnobi teritoriebi

skandaluri interviu amerikaSi

moRvawe JurnalistTan

Tar sofelSi verc Sevlen da

verc gamovlen.

_ azerbaijanelebis saguSa-

go sad aris?

_ qarTvelebisgan gansxvavebiT,

Cven msgavsad soflidan

erT kilometrSi ki ara, aT

metrSi ewyebaT mavTulxlarTebi.

rogorc adgilze gavige,

aseTi mdgomareoba 2010 wlidan

daiwyo, roca azerbaijanelma

mesazRvrem qarTuli soflis

mkvidri, 16 wlis axmed gaurgaSvili

mokla.

_ TiTqmis bavSvi?

_ diax. mozardi tyeSi iyo

SeSaze da Robis miRma gadasuli

saqoneli gadmoreka. biWs

Sig TavSi esroles tyvia gaufrTxileblad

da mTeli sofeli

rom mivida, gardacvlils

ar atandnen ojaxs. arada, bavSvis

cxedari saqarTvelos teritoriaze

egdo, magram mosaxleobas

ar akarebdnen _ azerbaijanel

mesazRvreebs avtomatebi

hqondaT miSverili. es

ambavi, me Tu mkiTxavT, dRemde

gamoZiebas moiTxovs, imitom

rom rogorc erisimedis mkvidrebma

iq Casuls miTxres, soflis

naxevari azerbaijanma wai-

Ro.

_ ras niSnavs, waiRo?

_ kargad maxsovs, erisimed-

Si Cveni vizitis Semdeg ra Tqva

sagareo saqmeTa ministris moadgile

nino kalandaZem, rom

sofeli erisimedis teritoria

delimitaciis procesSia da sadavo

obieqts warmoadgenso.

hoda, es sofeli delimitaciis

samuSao jgufis formatSi

ganixileba da saboloo gadawyvetilebas

swored es jgufi

miiRebso.

_ ki magram, es xom saxelmwifos

interesebis sawinaaRm-

dego gancxadebaa?

_ ki batono! iciT, ra miTxres

erisimedelebma? _ azerbaijans

imitom gauCnda Cven

mimarT ineteresi, rom xedaven,

saqarTvelos xelisuflebas

fexebze vkidivarTo. xom geubnebiT,

mesazRvreebis mier mokluli

16 wlis mozardis saqme

dRemde gamouZiebelia. is mesazRvre

arc dasjila, imitom

rom qarTul mxares ar mouTxovia.

_ raRa dagimalo, da Zalian

hgavs es ambavi garejis Temas...

_ daviTgarejis berTubnis

monakveTi xom iciT, mas azerbaijani

ar Tmobs. im dros ase-

Ti ram gavige, rom saqarTvelos

xelisuflebam azerbaijans

swored erisimedi SesTavaza am

teritoriis sanacvlod. viTomda,

Tavs imiT imarTlebdnen,

rom sofeli miuval adgilas

aris, araa sasmeli wyali, gza,

sacxovrebeli pirobebi. mosaxleobac

cotaa, sadRac 75 ojaxamde

da imas gadaiyvandnen.

_ yurebs ar vujereb _ teritoriebiT

vaWroba _ es saer-

TaSoriso tribunalia. qveynis

Ralatze aRar vlaparakob...

_ erisimedidan TbilisSi Camosulma

mivmarTe kaxa xandoliSvils,

imdroindel sasazRvro

usafrTxoebisa da migraciis

kvlevis centris ufross, romelmac

miTxra, rom erisimedis

teritoria 1993 wlidan sadavoa

saqarTvelo-azerbaijans

Soriso. rom demarkaciaze saubari

17 welia, ukve mimdinareobs

azerbaijanul mxaresTan

da dRemde ar aris miRweuli

konsensusi. sxvadasxva dokumentSi

sazRvari sxvadasxva adgilas

aris aRniSnulio.

_ xom SeiZleba, daviTgare-

jazec igive moxda?

_ ara. garejaze ver moxdeboda,

imitom rom erisimedis

SemTxvevaSi alazani mudmivad

icvlida kalapots da jer

kidev sabWoTa kavSiris dros

SeuZlebeli gaxda sazRvris

ganmsazRvreli xazis gavleba.

garejis teritoriaze mdinare

kalapots ar icvlis.

_ rogorc vici, sabWoTa kav-

Siris daSlis Semdeg saqarTvelo-azerbaijanis

demarkaciadelimitaciis

saxelmwifo komisia

Seiqmna da mxolod xuTamde

sakiTxia, razedac ver Ta-

nxmdebian...

_ marTla?! bevrad meti hqonda

ruseTTan sadavo teritoriebi

da erT saaTSi mougvara

ruseTma, medvedevis prezidentobis

dros. Tu sadavo teritoriaa,

ratom ar patrulireben

erToblivad qarTveli da

azerbaijaneli mesazRvreebi?

erToblivi patrulireba rom

yofiliyo, im patara biWs ar

moklavdnen. iciT, ra maxsovs

kidev _ erisimedis skolaSi viyavi,

romelic mavTulxlarTebidan

ramdenime metrSia. bavSvebi

sapirfareSoSi ver midiodnen

SiSisgan! es viTareba

dResac grZeldeba.

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Tengiz abloTia

gaxarias gadadgomam „qarTuli ocnebisa” da opoziciis

mwvave, qveynisTvis riskis Semcveli dapirispireba ver moxsna

_ mxolod mokle droiT gadado. „qocobis” generalitetSi

darCenilma sociopaTebma, maT Soris, yvelaze odiozuri da

avadmyofi _ irakli RaribaSvili _ premier-ministrad gaam-

weses. es ki imas niSnavs, rom male meore seria daiwyeba _ nika

melias dapatimreba am dajgufebisTvis Rirsebis sakiTxia.

gaxariam sisuste gamoiCina,

savaraudod, RaribaSvili ar

gamoiCens.

is, rasac Cven dRes vxedavT,

„qarTuli ocnebis” maxinj saxes

kidev ufro naTlad warmoaCens.

saqarTvelo umZimesi ekonomikuri

krizisis pirobebSia da

es krizisi dRes-xval ar dasruldeba.

2019 wlis mdgomareobaSi

dabrunebasac ki wlebi da

didi Zalisxmeva dasWirdeba.

qveyanaSi rTuli epidemiologiuri

viTarebaa _ sadReisod

dainficirebis masStabebi

Semcirda, Tumca rogorc ki

ekonomika gaixsneba, epidemiac

axali ZaliT ifeTqebs.

biznesebi ixureba, umuSevroba

4%-iT gazrdilia da es mxolod

oficialurad, realurad

saxlebSi usaqmod asobiT

aTasi adamiani zis.

dRes qveyanas ise uWirs, rogorc

ar gasWirvebia 90-iani

wlebidan.

da, ai, am fonze, „sociopaTebis

ocneba” premier-ministrad

ayenebs adamians, romelic maTi

ubadruki sazomebiTac ki gamomwvevad

arakompetenturi da

arafris maqnisia.

is mTeli cxovreba dakavebuli

iyo maRalprofesiuli mliqvnelobiT

da qaRaldebis erTi

ujridan meoreSi gadalagebiT.

mas araviTari ekonomikuri xedva

ar gaaCnia, is Zalian swrafad

da efeqtianad daasamarebs

imasac ki, rac jerjerobiT

darCa.

misi 2-wliani premier-ministroba

imdenad warumatebeli

aRmoCnda, rom es biZina ivaniS-

vilmac ki dainaxa, romelic,

rogorc wesi, idiotebs didi

siamovnebiT awinaurebs.

is imaze meti idioti aRmoCnda,

vidre ivaniSvilis garemocvisTvis

dasaSvebad miiCneva.

ra imisTana damsaxureba aqvs

am araraobas, rom sxva araraobebis

jgufma is urTules periodSi,

faqtobrivad, qveynis

xelmZRvanelad daniSna?

mxolod erTi _ mas „nacionalebi”

zomaze metad ezizReba.

qveyana komatozur mdgomareobaSia,

mas saswrafo Svela

sWirdeba da am dros premierministri

erTaderTi niSniT

SeirCa _ wina xelisuflebis gadametebuli

zizRis mixedviT.

is, rom „qarTuli ocnebis”

mTavari mizani da arsebobis

motivacia ara qveynis aSeneba,

aramed wina xelisuflebis lan-

ZRvaa _ axali ambavi ar gaxlavT.

amas moiTxovs misi samizne

auditoria _ koleqtiuri

„goga xaindravebi”, romlebisTvisac

„nacmoZraoba” avadmyofuri

akviatebis sagani gaxda.

Tumca es arasdros yofila

iseTi aSkara, rogorc _ dRes.

urTules periodSi qveyanas sa-

TaveSi Caudgeba fsiqikurad

arastabiluri adamiani, romelsac

warmodgena ar aqvs, ekonomika

sad iwyeba da sad Tavdeba.

erTaderTi mizezis gamo _ is

„nacionalebs” ver itans. „qar-

Tuli ocnebis” faseulobaTa

sistemis namdvili saxe: jandabas

wauRia yvelaferi, ekonomika

daiqces, qveyana saerTaSoriso

izolaciaSi aRmoCndes, oRond

„nacebis” jinaze.

es arc aris gasakviri _ is

`da, ai, am fonze, `sociopaTebis ocneba~

premier-ministrad ayenebs adamians, romelic

maTi ubadruki sazomebiTac ki gamomwvevad

arakompetenturi da arafris maqnisia.

is mTeli cxovreba dakavebuli iyo

maRalprofesiuli mliqvnelobiT da

qaRaldebis erTi ujridan meoreSi

gadalagebiT. mas araviTari ekonomikuri xedva

ar gaaCnia, is Zalian swrafad da efeqtianad

daasamarebs imasac ki, rac jerjerobiT darCa.

misi 2-wliani premier-ministroba imdenad

warumatebeli aRmoCnda, rom es biZina

ivaniSvilmac ki dainaxa, romelic, rogorc

wesi, idiotebs didi siamovnebiT awinaurebs~

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sociopaTi

turebi da

momakvdavi

qveyana

dajgufeba, romelic dRes qveyanas

marTvas, ukeTess veravis

wamoayenebda. elementarulad,

aravin normaluri da dalagebuli

ar hyavT da verc eyolebaT.

rac TviTon arian _ dakompleqsebulebi,

fsiqologiuri

problemebiT, iseTi airCies.

mTavari moqmedi piri mTel

am umsgavsobaSi aris qarTveli

xalxi. eri, romelic istoriuli

procesisgan daiRala, romelmac

Tavisi umweobis, araorganizebulobisa

da ugunurebis

gamo 30 wlis manZilze erTsa da

igive wreze dadis, romlis boloSic

istoriis sanagvea.

eri, romelmac Semoqmedebi-

Ti energia dakarga da zrunavs

mxolod individualur keTildReobasa

da ucxoeTSi wasvlaze

_ istoriulad ganwirulia.

mas winsvla da ganviTareba

ar uweria.

dRes Cven qveynis gadaSenebisa

da dacarielebis rTuli,

xangrZlivi da mZime gzis dasawyisSi

varT. qarTvelma xalxma

mTavari ram dakarga _ gadarCenis

Jini da winaaRmdegobis

unari. eri sruliad mSvidad

adevnebs Tvals imas, rom politikur

elitas misi wuxilebi

saerTod ar aRelvebs; rom uRrmesi

krizisis dros qveynis

meTaurad iniSneba sruli araraoba

_ mxolod imis gamo, rom

mas wina xelisufleba sxvebze

metad ezizReba.

amiT „qarTuli ocneba” mosaxleobas

Riad eubneba: „saer-

Tod ar gvainteresebs, Tqven

rogorc xarT, ra gindaT da ra

gawuxebT. miiReT es da gaCumdiT”.

nebismieri sxva Rirseuli

eri ukve didi xnis win ajanydeboda.

magram istoriisgan

daRlili, energiadaclili da

imunitetmoSlili _ ara.

is iTmens. yvelafers: uperspeqtivobas,

maRalCinosnebis

sasaxleebs, rCeuli idiotebis

batonobas da imasac, rom moqalaqeTa

keTildReobasa da

qveynis stabilurobaze mniSvnelovania

sulierad avadmyofi

aramzadebis piradi boRma.

iTmens da amasobaSi ucxoeT-

Si nebismieri gziT gaqcevas

cdilobs. vinc aq rCeba _ isic

ki saqarTvelos Tavisi SvilebisTvis

sacxovrebel adgilad

ar ganixilavs.

„Cven ki gaviWedeT da davr-

CiT, magram Svilebi aucileblad

unda wavidnen”, _ Cveni

drois yvelaze tipuri teqsti.

momakvdav qveyanas turebi

daeuflnen.

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Seqmnili politikuri mocemulobiT

da dasavleTidan xelisuflebis

misamarTiT gakeTebuli

kritikuli gzavnilebis fonze,

sul ufro realuri xdeba riggareSe

arCevnebis Catareba.

am brZolaSi ki opoziciur partiebTan

erTad mniSvnelovani

roli aqvs samoqalaqo sazogadoebas,

aseve axalgazrdebs, romlebic

yovelTvis gamoirCevian politikuri

brZolis dros gambedaobiTa

da jansaRi protestiT.

axalgazrda politikosi, cotne

abesaZe, Tomas jefersonis sityvebs

citirebs: „rodesac usamarTloba

xdeba, kanonisadmi

daumorCilebloba movaleobaa”

da ambobs, rom axalgazrdebi da

axalgazrduli jgufebi unda

iyos winaaRmdegobis moZraobis

muxti.

rogoria opoziciuri partiebis

samoqmedo areali? ra roli

aqvs riggareSe arCevnebis misaRwevad

axalgazrdebs? unda velodoT

Tu ara quCis protests?

am da sxva mimdinare politikuri

Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+~

rubrika „axalgazrda poli-

tikosebSi” samoqalaqo aqtivist

cotne abesaZes esaubra:

_ saxelmwifoebrivi Tval-

sazrisiT, gaxarias gadadgoma

ramdenad mniSvnelovani poli-

tikuri nabiji iyo?

_ yvela vTanxmdebiT, rom dRes

qveyana seriozuli politikuri

problemebis winaSe dgas, rac

ZiriTadad mmarTveli gundisa da

opoziciis mwvave dapirispirebiT

aris gamowveuli, aqedan gamomdinare,

SeuZlebelia, gaxarias

gadadgoma ar Sefasdes mniSvnelovan

politikur nabijad,

radgan vfiqrob, misi es qmedeba

kidev ufro mkveTrad usvams xazs

qveyanaSi arsebul politikur

kriziss. mmarTveli gundis warmomadgenlebi,

rogorc ar unda

ecadon, gaxarias es nabiji Cveulebriv

qmedebad warmoaCinon,

mainc ver damalaven im niSnebs,

romelic migvaniSnebs „qarTul

ocnebaSi” arsebul uTanxmoebasa

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ar gqondes calsaxad uaryofiTi

damokidebuleba, Tumca misma am

radikalurma nabijma aSkarad agvarida

kidev erTi saSineli dapirispireba

da sisxlisRvra,

romelic gamowveuli iqneboda

nika melias mimarT yovlad samarcxvino

politikuri devnis

gamo. mimdinare politikuri movlenebidan

gamomdinare, mgonia,

mmarTvel gundSi arCevnebamde

kidev bevri mniSvnelovani cvlileba

moxdeba.

_ RaribaSvilis damokidebuleba

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

mimarT yvelasTvis cnobil-

ia, is mTavar opoziciur Zalas

mudmivad dasrulebiT emuqreba.

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biT massa da mis gunds Soris azrTa sxvadasxvaoba iyo.

ras unda velodoT misi gapre-

mierebiT?

_ RaribaSvilis dabrunebiT

namdvilad ar unda velodoT

politikuri procesebis ukeTesobisken

Secvlas, piriqiT _ is

yovelTvis gamoirCeoda Tavisi

agresiulobiTa da siZulvilis

eniT. RaribaSvili, erTi mxriv,

aris adamiani, romelic ivaniSvils

yovelTvis umtkicebda erTgulebas

da, meore mxriv, is aris

adamiani, romelic Sors dgas

dasavlur-liberaluri faseulobebisgan.

irakli RaribaSvilis

dabruneba pirdapiri niSania imisa,

rom opoziciis mimarT gagr-

Zeldeba „mkacri xelis“ politika.

Tumca, vfiqrob, yuradsaRebia

aSS-is yofili elCis, uiliam kortnis

mosazrebac am sakiTxze,

rom RaribaSvilis dabruneba

„qarTuli ocnebis” sisusteebze

da partiaSi arsebul seriozul

krizisebze miuTiTebs.

_ 11 ianvars, roca ivaniSvil-

ma politikidan wasvlis Sesaxeb

gancxadeba gaakeTa, maSinve dais-

va kiTxva, _ realurad wavida Tu

ara igi? ra aCvena bolo period-

Si ganviTarebulma movlenebma, _

kulisebidan marTavs ivaniSvili

qveyanas?

_ ivaniSvilis udidesi gavlena

mmarTvel partiaze da zogadad

qarTul saxelmwifoze araer-

Txel gaxda opoziciisa da saer-

TaSoriso partniorebis mxridan

kritikis mizezi. amitom kiTxvis

niSnebis arseboba mis wasvlasTan

dakavSirebiT sruliad safuZvliani

da realuria. biZina ivaniSvilma

adrec gaakeTa msgavsi gancxadeba

wasvlis Sesaxeb, Tumca

Semdeg isev vixileT politikuri

velis epicentrSi, amitom misi axlandeli

gancxadeba, rom TiTqos

srulad Camoscilda politikur

procesebs, ra Tqma unda, arasandoobasa

da skepticizms iwvevs.

oligarqma, ubralod, kuluaruli

mmarTveloba gadawyvita da,

ra Tqma unda, bolo dReebSi

„qarTul ocnebaSi” ganxorcielebuli

movlenebi amis kargi damadasturebeli

niSania.

_ melias faqtorma opozicia-

Si ra roli iTamaSa da dRevandeli

mocemulobiT, ra samoqme-

do areali aqvs opoziciur

speqtrs?

_ pirvel rigSi, nika melias

mier gadadgmuli es gabeduli da

sabrZolo xasiaTis nabiji namdvilad

dasafasebelia. es iyo sruliad

gaazrebuli, pirad riskebTan

dakavSirebuli politikuri

aqti. albaT, vTanxmdebiT, rom

arsebul daZabul politikur

situaciaSi Zaladobrivi reJimis

dasamarcxeblad sasicocxlod

mniSvnelovania opoziciuri er-

Tobis SenarCuneba da vfiqrob,

melias mimarT wamowyebulma absurdulma

politikurma devnam

da melias sruliad samarTlian-

cotne abesaZe:

`xalxi gamoiyvans

quCaSi opozicias

da ara _ piriqiT~

ma protestma kidev erTxel naTlad

dagvanaxa opoziciuri partiebis

erTianoba fundamentur

sakiTxebSi. garda amisa, opoziciis

rigebSi kvlav gaaCina sabrZolo

muxti, rac, samwuxarod, minelebuli

iyo sxvadasxva arsebiTi

mizezis gamo. rac Seexeba kiTxvis

meore nawils opoziciis samoqmedo

arealis Sesaxeb, opoziciisa

da xelisuflebis molaparakebis

magidasTan dabruneba da vadamdel

saparlamento arCevnebze

SeTanxmeba movlenebis ganviTarebis

saukeTeso scenari mgonia,

Tumca „qarTul ocnebaSi“ mimdinare

cvlilebebi, samwuxarod,

sruliad sxva mosalodnel nabijebze

migviTiTebs. „qarTulma

ocnebam“ sazogadoebis ndoba

amowura, amitom axla opoziciam

momrigeblur-Semrigebluri nabijebis

nacvlad xisti da radikaluri

moTxovnebi unda wamoayenos,

romlis Seusruleblobis

SemTxvevaSi aucilebeli gaxdeba

xelisuflebisTvis maqsimaluri

diskomfortis Seqmna da misi iZuleba,

wamovides Sesabamiss daTmobebze.

_ arCevnebis meore dRidanve

opozicia da sazogadoebis naw-

ili iTxovda xelaxal arCevnebs,

Tumca es moTxovna dRemde moTx-

ovnad rCeba. Seqmnili mocemu-

loba ramdenad zrdis riggareSe

arCevnebis Sanss? xelisufleba

gaxdeba Tu ara iZulebuli,

dasTanxmdes opoziciis am mTa-

var moTxovnas?

_ miuxedavad „ocnebaSi“ mimdinare

arc ise damaimedebeli

cvlilebebisa, mainc ver vxedav

movlenebis ganviTarebis iseT

scenars, romliTac vadamdel

arCevnebs gverds avuvliT. vfiqrob,

„ocnebisgan“ gansxvavebiT,

opozicias axla aqvs is mTavari

berketi, rasac xalxis Zalaufleba

hqvia da valdebulia, sazogadoebis

dakveTis Sesasrulebel

brZolaSi aqtiurad Caebas. mxolod

opozicia ki ara, sazogadoebis

umravlesoba viTxovT vadamdel

arCevnebs da xelisufleba,

adre Tu gvian, aucileblad

gaxdeba iZulebuli, daakmayofilos

Cveni moTxovna, winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi, ar moveridebiT SevuqmnaT

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risi Zalac namdvilad

gvaqvs. es maT naxes 20 ivniss, rodesac

okupant ruseTs neba misces,

brWyali gaekra qarTuli saxelmwifosTvis.

garda amisa, aRsaniSnavia

Cveni dasavluri partniorebis

kritikuli da zogjer

mwvave Sefasebebi, rac aseve ar

`SeuZlebelia,

gaxarias gadadgoma

ar Sefasdes

mniSvnelovan

politikur nabijad~

mgonia, sasiamovno iyos mmarTveli

gundisTvis.

_ am pirobebSi ra roli aqvs

protests da ramdenad aris

mzaoba sazogadoebaSi quCaSi ga-

mosasvlelad? Cven vnaxeT, rom

mravalaTasiani aqciebi ver

Sedga arCevnebis Semdeg, miT

umetes, axla gauWirdeba Tu ara

opozicias quCis protestis

uzrunvelyofa?

_ daviwyeb imiT, rom ar aqvs

mniSvneloba pirobebs, _ protestsa

da brZolas yovelTvis

aqvs azri! es naTlad gamoCnda,

roca gaxariam datova Tanamdeboba,

aseve ministrTa kabinetSic

didi cvlilebebia. rac Seexeba

quCis protests, arCevnebis Semdeg

farTo sivrce gaCnda molaparakebebisTvis

da arsebobda

SeTanxmebis imedi. yvela moTminebiT

vadevnebdiT Tvalyurs

mimdinare politikur raundebs

da vgulSematkivrobdiT saRi

azris gamarjvebas. Tumca „ocnebis”

araprognozirebadma nabijebma

dagvanaxa, rom radikaluri

poziciebia saWiro. garda amisa,

sazogadoebis yofa daamZima pandemiam

da masTan dakavSirebulma

sruliad araadekvaturma regulaciebma,

romlebsac politikuri

sarCuli ufro hqonda, vidre

_ krizisTan profesionaluri

brZolis mcdeloba. seriozuli

politikuri procesebis garda

qveyanaSi gvaqvs ukiduresad mZime

socialuri mdgomareoba da sazogadoeba

aRar gadaylapavs

morig satyuarebs. am yvelafers

rom Tavi davaneboT, naTlad Cans,

rogor miaqanebs ivaniSvilis xelisufleba

Cven qveyanas ruseTisken.

qarTveli xalxi kidev rusul

Ceqmas rom ar Seegueba, 20-ma

ivnisma da kidev ufro adreulma

istoriulma faqtebma bevrjer

gvanaxa. Tu procesebi pozitiurad

ar Seicvleba da gagrZeldeba

qveynis gapartaxeba, darwmunebuli

var, xalxi gamoiyvans quCaSi

opozicias da ara _ piriqiT.

_ ra formiT xedavT sakuTar

Tavs da axalgazrdebs mimdinare

procesebSi?

_ rodesac xelisufleba Tavs

kargavs, gadadis sakuTari uflebamosilebis

zRvars, arRvevs kanonisa

da konstituciis principebs,

ayalbebs arCevnebs, miitacebs

xelisuflebas da cdilobs daamyaros

totalitaruli mmarTveloba,

rodesac usamarTloba

xdeba kanoni, daumorCilebloba

movaleobaa, _ rogorc werda yvelaze

Zlieri demokratiis, amerikis

SeerTebuli Statebis damfuZnebeli

mama, Tomas jefersoni.

axalgazrdebi da axalgazrduli

jgufebi unda iyos winaaRmdegobis

moZraobis muxti. swored

Cvens Tavisuflebas, arCevanis

uflebasa da momaval exeba saqme.

rodesac vibrZviT diqtaturis

winaaRmdeg da qveyana iwyebs

ganTavisuflebas ukanono reJimis

mmarTvelobisgan, axalgazrduli

Zala umniSvnelovanesi da

gadamwyvetia. am brZolaSi Cven

unda viyoT Zalian konstruqciulebi,

ra Tqma unda, kanonisa da

konstituciis CarCoebSi moqceuli,

magram mtkice, Zlieri da

uryevi.

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yvela tyuils Tavisi motivi

aqvs. adamianebi sxvadasxva mizeziT cruoeben Tavdasacavad:

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asarideblad; sakuTari Tavis dasawinaureblad; ekonomikuri upiratesobis

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li miznebis gamo da a. S.

300 wlis winaT qarTl-kaxeTs

mefed erekle meore hyavda.

Cven, kaxelebi, mas erekles an

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iraklis saxeliT awerda xels,

amitom es saxeli kaxeTSi met

siyvaruls imsaxurebda yovel-

Tvis...

sadRac 7 wlis winaT irakli

RaribaSvili kaxeTisTvis aseT

gegmebs awyobda:

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suraTi, Tu ra aris saWiro kaxeTis

ganviTarebisTvis da romlis

gakeTebac SegviZlia mTavrobasa

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Tambaqos warmoebisa da pirveladi

gadamuSavebis, aseve abre-

Sumis warmoebis ganviTarebis

resursi; axmetas aqvs tyavis

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aqvs agurisa da rkina-betonis

gadamuSavebis resursi;

siRnaRSi SegviZlia samkervalo

warmoeba ganvaviTaroT”.

RaribaSvili 2016 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis dros ukve

saxlSi iyo, irakli pirvelis

danapirebi ki sicrued darCa.

samagierod, meored iyrida

kenWs parlamentarobisTvis Telavi-yvarlis

maJoritarad

irakli sesiaSvili:

„esaa marTali xelisufleba,

romelic sazogadoebasTan farul

politikas ar awarmoebs.

2012 wels dapirebebs saxelmwifoze

dakvirvebis fonze viZleodiT,

radgan qveyanaSi Seqmnili

mdgomareobis Sesaxeb informaciasTan

aranairi wvdoma

ar gvqonda, magram pasuxismgeblobas

TiToeul dapirebaze

viRebT. reJimTan brZolaSi Sesvlisa

da mZime realobaSi

muSaobis miuxedavad, maqsimumis

gakeTeba SevZeliT. dapirebebis

80% ukve SevasruleT, darCenil

20%-s ki arCevnebamde amovwuravT“,

_ amis Sesaxeb parlamentis

Tavdacvisa da uSiSroebis

komitetis Tavmjdomare

irakli sesiaSvilma erT-erT

telekompaniaSi ganacxada.

rac Seexeba irakli sesiaSvilis

dapirebas TelavelebisTvis,

Telavis siaxloves arsebul

civis mTaze sabagiro xazisa

da funikulioris aSenebis Sesaxeb,

iniciativis dasaxelebidanve

TelavSi am sakiTxze mxolod

icinodnen. ra Tqma unda,

warmosaxviTi sabagiros garda

sxva araferi SegvrCa. uaresi:

civis mTaze asasvleli samanqane

gzac ki Caxergili da gasasufTavebelia.

ase rom, cru

irakli meoris danapirebic sapnis

buStiviT gaskda.

siRnaRi-dedofliswyaros

maJoritarma deputatma irak-

li SiolaSvilma ise datova

parlamenti, rom Tavisi winasaarCevno

dapireba ar Seasru-

la. SiolaSvili 2016 wels qiziyis

mosaxleobas dahpirda, rom

Tuki arCevnebSi mxars dauWerdnen,

ori aTeuli wlis winaT

gaCerebul siRnaRi-wnoris sabagiro

gzas aRadgenda, Tumca

am dapirebidan TiTqmis 4 weli

gavida da irkveva, rom am proeqtze

teqnikur-ekonomikuri

kvlevac ki ar Catarebula, ra-

Ta daedginaT, ramdenad gamarTlebuli

iqneboda masze fulis

daxarjva.

„Cemi bavSvoba siRnaRTan da

wnorTan asocirdeba. aq gadioda

ulamazesi sabagiro da me ar

miviCnev sakuTar Tavs Rirseul

deputatad, Tu es sabagiro ar

aRvadgine. yvela SemTxvevaSi

unda aRvadginoT es sabagiro

gza”, _ es saarCevno dapireba

irakli SiolaSvilma 2016 wlis

seqtemberSi, amomrCevlebTan

Sexvedris dros, gasca. dapirebis

gacemidan TiTqmis 5 weli

gavida, siRnaRi-wnoris sabagiro

ki 26 wlis winaT rom gaCerda,

igive mdgomareobaSia.

„aRdgeba kaxeTis sarkinigzo

xazi!“ _ amis Sesaxebac gancxadeba

„qarTuli ocnebis” ukve

yofilma liderma, biZina ivani-

Svilma, winasaarCevno dapirebebis

formatSi, jer kidev, 2012

wels gaakeTa. mogvianebiT, es

dapireba, sxva proeqtebTan er-

Tad, misma qvemdgomma liderebmac

gaimeores.

regionSi rkinigzis reabilitacia

da sarkinigzo xazis

aRdgena rom igegmeboda, amis

Sesaxeb kaxeTis maSindelma gubernatorma,

jer kidev, 2019

wlis oqtomberSi ganacxada.

irakli qadagiSvilis informaciiT,

am sakiTxze Sexvedrebi

infrastruqturis saministrosa

da donor organizaciebs

Soris misi monawileobiT araerTxel

Catarebula:

„saministroebTan da donori

organizaciebis warmomadgenlebTan

yovelTvis vsaubrobdi

regionSi rkinigzis reabilitaciasa

da sarkinigzo xazis aRdgenis

aucileblobaze da mis

dadebiT Sedegebze. Cemi didi

survilia, aRdges sarkinigzo

xazi, romelic ara marto adgilobrivi

mcxovreblebis transportirebisTvis

iqneba

gankuTvnili, aramed turistebsac

moemsaxureba.

am etapze kaxeTis rkinigzis

reabilitaciis xedva gagzavnili

gvaqvs aziis ganviTarebis

bankSi, raTa maTi daxmarebiT es

mniSvnelovani proeqti ganxorcieldes.

banks rkinigzis Sesaxeb

xedva erT-erT mTavar prioritetad

aqvs gamotanili da

vfiqrob, am proeqts swored is

daafinansebs. rkinigzis aRdgenasTan

dakavSirebiT gagrZeldeba

Sexvedrebi, rogorc do-

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`rac Seexeba irakli sesiaSvilis dapirebas

TelavelebisTvis, Telavis siaxloves arsebul

civis mTaze sabagiro xazisa da funikulioris

aSenebis Sesaxeb, iniciativis dasaxelebidanve

TelavSi am sakiTxze mxolod icinodnen. ra

Tqma unda, warmosaxviTi sabagiros garda sxva

araferi SegvrCa. uaresi: civis mTaze

asasvleli samanqane gzac ki Caxergili da

gasasufTavebelia. ase rom, cru irakli

meoris danapirebic sapnis buStiviT gaskda~

nika vardoSvili:

`erekle mefis

mere iraklebSi

aRar

gvimarTlebs~

nor organizaciasTan, aseve infrastruqturis

saministrosTan,

sadac aRniSnul sakiTxs ganvixilavT

da mas erTian proeqtad

davamuSavebT“, _ ambobda ma-

Sindeli gubernatori da dRevandeli

parlamentis wevri.

kaxeTSi rkinigzis aRdgenis

ideas Tavidanve skeptikurad

Sexvda da igi piaris nawilad

Seafasa opoziciam. leiboristuli

partiis adgilobrivi lideri

nikoloz vardoSvili miiCnevda:

„rkinigzis reabilitacias

sWirdeba Zalian didi Tanxebi,

adgilze ki yvelaferi gafuWebulia

da dampalia, maT Soris,

Spalebi, razedac liandagebi

ewyoba. mTeli infrastruqtura

gamosulia mwyobridan da gaZarculia.

amitom vfiqrob, es

aris xelisuflebis mier Semogdebuli

morigi triuki saar-

Cevnod”.

vardoSvili qadagiSvilis

mier aeroportis Sesaxeb gakeTebul

gancxadebasac ixsenebs:

„rogorc aeroportis Temam

Caiara, aseve Caivlis rkinigzis

Temac, radgan am xelisuflebas

elementaruli problemebis

gadaWra ar SeuZlia, ara-

Tu aseTi masStaburi proeqtis

ganxorcieleba”.

da rogorc didi SoTa ambobda:

„cru kaci kargad vera iqms,

saqmesa gaZnelebulsa”.

qarTul politikaSi myofi,

mgoni, yvela irakli kaxeli iyo,

magram rogorc leiborituli

moZraobis kaxeTis xelmZRvaneli

nika vardoSvili ambobs, _

erekle mefis mere iraklebSi

ukve aRar gvimarTlebs.

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sami bavSvi skolaSi da

ver vityvi, rom es mxare Rm-

giorgi abaSiZe

erTebmac miatoves da adamianeb-

mac, magram danamdvilebiT vici,

rom aqaur realobaze Cvens politikur elitas warmodgena

zereledac ar aqvs. diax, im dros, roca Zlierni ama qveynisani

mxolod imaze fiqroben, sra-sasaxleebi rogor wamoWimon

an parlamentsa Tu xelisuflebis sxva StoebSi gavle-

nis sferoebi rogor gadainawilon, aq adamianebi ibrZvian,

ibrZvian arsebobisTvis! ho, es axmetis municipalitetis

iltos xeobis realobaa!

mTaSi napovni bedniereba,

anu reportaJi adamianisa

da RmerTisgan mitovebuli

iltos xeobidan

...iltos xeobaSi eqimTa

jgufs mivyvebi. jgufs profesori,

kardiologi solomon

zeikiZe xelmZRvanelobs...

Tbilisidan uTenia gavdivarT...

Cveni mcire eskortis

erT-erT avtomobils saburavi

eSveba da iZulebuli vxdebiT,

sanam avtogasamarTi sadguri

Segvxvdeba, periodulad gavCerdeT

da daSvebul saburavs

haeri davamatoT.

marTalia, iltos xeobamde

sami saaTic sakmarisia, magram

zemoxsenebuli problemis gamo

daniSnulebis adgilamde gza

iweleba da iltos xeobaSi pirveli

saaTisTvis CavdivarT...

_ ilto istoriuli saqarTveloa,

_ ambobs profesori solomon

zeikiZe, romelic, rogorc

ityvian, TviTnaswavli istorikosia

da qarTlis cxovrebidan

iseTi detalebic ki

icis, romelzedac diplomian

istorikosTa nawils an warmodgena

ar aqvs, an aqvs, magram

yuradRebas Segnebulad ar

amaxvilebs.

_ netav, bevri xalxi iqneba?

_ kiTxulobs naTia dalaqiSvili.

naTia endokrinologia

da sxva kolegebis darad, eqim-

Ta saqvelmoqmedo aqciaSi usasyidlod

monawileobs.

_ ar mgonia, _ vpasuxob.

_ ratom? _ saubarSi odisei

erTveba. odiesi, anu adi, rogorc

megobrebi eZaxian, fizioTerapevtia.

adi Tbiliseli iezidia, Tumca

qarTuli, rogorc ityvian,

wyaliviT icis.

sxvaTa Soris, adi marTlmadidebelia

_ ramdenime wlis

winaT gaqristianda.

_ xeoba daclilia, _

CemTvis, vidre odiseis kiTxvis

pasuxad vambob.

_ ratom? _ axla kiTxvas beqa

gogiaSvili svams. beqas Sexeba

arc medicinasTan aqvs da arc

_ JurnalistikasTan, sruliad

sxva sferoSi moRvaweobs _

erT-erTi cnobili kompaniis

menejeria, magram eqimTa saqvelmoqmedo

aqciis Sesaxeb megobrebisgan

Seutyvia da dauJinia,

mec wamoval, SeiZleba,

araferSi gamogadgeT, magram,

bolos da bolos, xalxs sicxes

mainc gavuzomavo.

Termoskriningi koronapandemiis

gamo, mogexsenebaT, Cveni

yoveldRiurobaa. hoda, beqa

sityvas pirnaTlad asrulebs _

soflis mosaxleobas sicxes

gulmodgined uzomavs da

flaerebs urigebs.

sxvaTa Soris, saqme Temo jinWraZemac

gamonaxa _ Temo warmatebuli

moragbea, Tumca im

dRes ragbi droebiT gverdze

gadado, Cveni transportireba

ikisra. mere ki iltoelebs

Tavisi dakunTuli mklavebiT

pirbadeebs urigebda da antiseptikuri

xsnariT xelebsac

energiulad umuSavebda...

ai, giorgi gogliZem ki, romelsac

Tbilisis aeroportSi

erT-erTi seriozuli Tanamdeboba

ukavia da romelic eqimebis

namdvil TanaSemwed iqca,

medicinaSi SesaSuri codna gamoavlina

da pacientebs mxolod

saWiro rCeva-darigebebs ki

ar aZlevda, aramed eleqtrofiziologiur

gamokvlevebSic

aqtiurad monawileobda...

_ „konstantines didostatis

marjvena” xom gaxsovT? _ moulodnelad

gvekiTxeba profesori,

kardiologi solomon

zeikiZe.

_ ra Tqma unda, gvaxsovs, _

yvelas magivrad adi icxadebs.

_ ai, axla im teritoriaze

varT, sadac Tavis droze kvetaris

saerisTavo mdebareobda.

iltos xeoba, romelic wyaroebSi

irtos xeobis saxeli-

Taa moxseniebuli, swored kvetaris

saerisTavos ekuTvnoda.

maSin aqauroba erT-erTi ma-

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adamianebi mware realobis pirispir

RalganviTarebuli da xalxmravali

adgili iyo, _ gvixsnis

e. w. samedicino eqspediciis

wevrebs solomon zeikiZe.

fiqrebSi mivdivar...

ho, erT dros aqauroba Sesa-

Zloa, xalxmravlobiT gamoir-

Ceoda, magram dRes?

dRes iltos xeoba, praqtikulad,

ukacrielia. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

aq erT-erTi umTavresi

problema migraciaa. ai,

magaliTad, bolo, anu 2014

wlis aRricxvis Semdeg, romelic

13 sofelSi Catarda, xeoba

kidev ufro bevrma adgilobrivma

datova. amis mizezi ki

umZimesi socialur-ekonomikuri

mdgomareobaa.

ise, ra ucnauria cxovreba _

dRes xeoba daclilia, istoriulad

ki kvetaris erisTavebi

imiT gamoirCeodnen, rom saomrad

uamravi meomari gamohyavdaT...

„mkveTrad iklo Sobadobis

maCvenebelmac. infrastruqturis

mouwesrigeblobis, dazianebuli

gzebisa da samedicino

dawesebulebebis ararsebobis

fonze soflebidan gadinebis

process kidev erTi

faqtori uwyobs xels xeobis

soflebs maRalmTiani dasaxlebis

statusi am dromde ar

miuRia”, _ miyveba erT-erTi

adgilobrivi, romelic, ratom-

Rac, mTxovs, rom misi vinaoba

ar gavamxilo.

pirobas, cxadia, vusruleb...

iltos xeobis, ase vTqvaT,

centri sofeli Saxvetilaa.

Cveni dislokaciis adgilic

swored aq aris, sadac erTgvar

maspinZlobas Cemi kolega da

megobari maka mosiaSvili gviwevs.

ise, ar dagimalavT da swored

makas damsaxurebaa, rom

eqimTa saqvelmoqmedo jgufma

arCevani swored iltos xeobaze

SeaCera...

SaxvetilaSi, romelic mdinare

iltos marjvena sanapiroze

mdebareobs, ambulatoria

ramdneime Tvis win aaSenes. ambulatoriaSi

adgilobrivi eqTania

dasaqmebuli. eqimi ki, rogorc

vigeb, kviraSi or-samjer

axmetidan amodis xolme.

sofelSi sul 40-mde adamiani

cxovrobs.

_ erTad erTi axalgazrda

Cemi Sviliao, _ ambobs gamokvlevaze

mosuli qalbatoni.

SaxvetilaSi mxolod dawyebiTi

skolaa _ oTxi klasis Semdeg

bavSvebi ganaTlebis misaRebad

sxva sofelSi midian da

9-klasian ganaTlebas iReben,

Tumca arasrul skolaSic sul

sami moswavle yofila.

_ es bavSvebic pedagogebis

Svilebi arian. es pedagogebi

sofelSi axmetidan amodian da

iZulebuli xdebian, Svilebic

am skolaSi atarono...

sofelSi eleqtroenergia

aris, gazi _ ara. „zevidan” dahpirebian,

gazic male iqnebao,

magram wlebi gadis da es

„male” vera da ver movida.

ise, SarSan Saxvetilasken mimavali

gza daugiaT, rac kargia,

magram...

adgilobrivebis Semosavlis

mTavari wyaro mesaqonleobaa.

_ ai, Cems mezobels ramdenime

suli pirutyvi hyavs da

Tavi ase gaaqvso, _ meubneba ambulatoriis

eqTani, romelsac

saxsrebi awuxebs.

_ axlave giSvelio, _ eubneba

adi sadoevi qalbatons da

Tavisi oqros xelebiT eleqtrofiziologiur

procedurebs

utarebs.

soflis eqTani Tavidan pesimisturadaa

ganwyobili, axmetaSic

viyavi da TelavSic, vin

aRar gamsinja, magram veraferi

miSvela da ai, am aparatma ra

unda miqnaso?

_ cotac moiTmineT da muxlebi

gagixurdebaTo, _ amSvidebs

adi.

_ ra vici, abao? _ jer

mxrebs iCeCavs soflis eqTani,

ramdenime wuTSi ki saxeze Rimili

dasTamaSebs, _ ui, qa, Sveba

marTla vigrZenio...

meRimeba...

soflis mosaxleobas sityvas

politikaze vugdeb. yvela

Cumdeba.

_ „qocebi” rom wavidnen, cxovreba

ukeTesobisken Seicvleba

Tu ara-meTqi? _ Cemsas ar

viSli.

xalxi isev dums, Tumca vatyob,

yvelas raRacis Tqma unda.

ubralod, Tavs ikavebs...

bolos, erTi Suaxnis qalbatoni

meubneba:

_ Svilo, glexisTvis arc

erTi mTavroba ar yofila da

arc iqnebao.

Znelia, ar daveTanxmo...

amasobaSi gamokvlevidan

bolo pacientic gamodis, xel-

Si medikamentebi uWiravs da

vidre kars mixuravs, qalaqidan

Casul eqimebs locavs, _ Tqven

gagaxarebT RmerTi, imis fuli

sad mqonda, amdeni gamokvleva

Cametarebina da kardiogramac

cxovrebaSi pirvelad gadaviReo...

solomon zeikiZes daRlili

da Cafiqrebuli saxe aqvs, Tumca

TvalSi momxvda, yvela pacients

RimiliT xvdeboda...

_ batono solomon, soflis

xalxi janmrTelia?

jer Tavs aqnevs, mere mpasuxobs:

_ xalxi gamZle da Sromismoyvarea,

amitom avadmyofobas

ar epueba, Tumca faqtia, umravlesobas

maRali arteriuli

wneva da sxvadasxva paTologia

awuxebs. marTlia, me da Cemma

kolegebma daxmareba savele

pirobebSi aRmovuCineT, magram

ufro Rrma kvlevebisa da Sesabamisad,

akademiuri mkurnalobis

Catarebaa saWiro.

egeb, SevZloT, sxva dros kidev

ufro mravali profilis eqimi

CamoviyvanoT da gamokvlevebis

sferoc gavafarTovoT. iqneb,

medikamentebis Camotanac isev

movaxerxoT...

baton solomons Cemdauneburad

veTanxmebi da isev fiqri

miyoliebs:

ho, dRes adamianebs yvelaze

metad swored urTierT-

Tanadgoma gvWirdeba. socialuri

Tu ekonomikuri problemebi

SeiZleba, daiZlios, magram

Tu vgrZnobT, rom gverdiT

mdgomi ar gvyavs, imeds vkargavT.

uimedoba ki is dilemaa, romlis

gadalaxvac martivi namdvilad

ar aris!

ho, sikeTe gadamdebia da

eqimTa saqvelmoqmedo jgufic

cdilobs, es sikeTe yvelas gadasdos,

raTa boroteba

swored sikeTiT marcxdeba!

sxvaTa Soris, zemoxsenebuli

aqciis ideis avtori Jurnalisti

vano pavliaSvilia,

romelic ambobs:

„msofliosa da Sesabamisad,

qveyanaSi Seqmnili kovidpandemiis

gamo, gansakuTrebiT is

adamianebi, romlebic did

qalaqebsa da regionuli centrebidan

moSorebiT mdebare

soflebSi cxovroben, im dilemis

winaSe dadgnen, rom sxvadasxva

samedicino momsaxurebas

veRar iReben. amitom Jurnalistebisa

da eqimebis jgufma

gadavwyviteT, rom zemoxsenebul

dasaxlebul punqteb-

Si periodulad gavmarToT

saqvelmoqmedo aqcia”.

***

...wamosavlelad vemzadebiT.

_ xinklis gareSe aqedan ar

gagiSvebTo, _ gveubnebian iltoelebi.

xinkals xaWapuri mohyva, xa-

Wapurs _ xilis arayi. ise, mar-

Tlia, amboben, imerul xaWapurs

badali ar aqvso, magram

yvela erTad vaRiarebT, rom

aseTi ugemrielesi xaWapuri

arasodes gagvisinjavs _ uTxeles

comSi gaxveuli adgilobrivi

xaWo pirSi dneba da qalaqelebisTvis

erTob trendul

dietasac sruliad gaviwyebs...

sxvaTa Soris, adgilobrivi

eqimi, qalbatoni lia, idealuri

Tamada gamodga da bi-

Webs ramdenjerme kinaRam jarimac

dagvalevina...

xeobaSi nisli Camowva...

Cven mTidan movdivarT...

Tbilisamde gza grZelia...

emociebs veravin vikavebT...

ho, daviRaleT, magram Tan

bednierebi varT, usazRvrod

bednierebi imitom, rom bednierebis

povna, Turme, aqac,

lamis, kacisa da RmerTisgan

motovebul mTis sofelSic

SeiZleba.

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`guguli maRraZes saerTod

samodelo saagento Golden

giorgi sakaruli

Brand; ; qarTul da inglisureno-

555 42 42 81

vani Jurnali G.M Star; Atelie G.M.;

silamazis konkursi Miss & Mister

Golden Brand; ; stilistebis konkursi Golden-makrateli; avan-

garduli xelovneba _ sxeulze xatvis konkursi BODYART

Georgia; Anaklia Fashion Week; Mister Valentini Georgia; ; silamazis

konkurs Miss and Mister Tbilisi-is generaluri direqtori; mweralTa

kavSiris wevri; samxareo gazeT „Tavisuflebis mrwamsis”

redaqtoris moadgile _ es aris regaliebisa da saqmianobis

farTo arealis is mcire CamonaTvali, romlis damfuZne-

beli da organizatoric gaxlavT dizaineri giorgi masxulia.

24 wlis dizaineris saxeli

da gvari yovelTvis skan-

dalebTan asocirdeba, Tumca

vin aris sinamdvileSi giorgi

masxulia? _ mwerali? Jurnal-

isti? modeli? advokati? am da

sxva saintereso Temebis Sesaxeb

„qronika+”-is mkiTxvels Ta-

vad giorgi masxulia mouyveba:

_ me var Zalian kargi adamiani,

megobruli da miyvars is

saqme, rasac vakeTeb. ubralo

moqalaqe var, romelic yvelafer

saukeTesos etrfis cxovrebaSi.

_ romelsac gauCnda ambicia,

rom...

_ rom sakuTari konkursebi

hqonoda da yofiliyo dizaineri,

Tundac, mweralTa kavSiris

wevri da a. S. marTalia, wlebi

dasWirda am yvelafers, magram

Rirda.

_ ramdeni wlis xarT da ra

asakidan gagiCndaT es ambicie-

bi?

_ 24 wlis var da 14 wlidan

var samodelo sferoSi. me piradad

viyavi modeli, 2013 wels

Tavad gaxlavarT „mister valentinis”

konkursis monawile,

Semdeg ukve daviwye Cemi proeqtebi.

maT Soris iyo: sxeulze

xatva _ „bodiart jorjias”

konkursi, es avangarduli xelovnebaa

da aqedan daiwyo nelnela

Cemi karieruli winsvla.

sazogadoebis nawilma bodiartiT

gamicno ekranebidan, nawilma

ki _ rogorc dizaineri.

sxvaTa Soris, 2015 wels

konkursi „mis da mister brendi”

rom davaarse, es pirveli

konkursia saqarTveloSi, sadac

transgenderi qali davaregistrire

monawileobis misaRebad,

rasac sruli Soki da skandali

mohyva.

_ transgenderi qalis dar-

egistrireba konkursze piaris

gaTvla iyo Tu?

_ man moiTxova konkursze

daregistrireba.

_ Tumca es xom erTgvari

piaric iyo da gindodaT, rom

sazogadoebas elaparaka Tqven-

ze?

_ ra Tqma unda, yvelaferi

kargad gavTvale _ am faqtma

konkursi gaapiara, Tumca Jiuris

gadawyvetilebiT, naxevarfinalis

Semdeg momdevno etapze

ver gadavida. rac Seexeba

2016 wels, pirvelad saqarTveloSi

konkursebis istoriaSi,

„mister golden brendis” gamarjvebul

irakli qasaSvils ga-

daveci avtomobili. msgavsi ram

arc erT konkursze ar momxdara

da gamarjvebuli dRemde am

avtomobiliT gadaadgildeba.

Semdeg 2018 wels masStabebi gavzarde

da „mis da mister golden

brendi” rusTavelis saxelmwifo

akademiur TeatrSi

Cavatare, sadac 15 qveynis saer-

TaSoriso Jiuris warmomadgeneli

Camoviyvane saqarTveloSi.

erTi kviris manZilze Cven maT

gavacaniT saqarTvelos kutura,

tradiciebi, davaTvalierebineT

yvelaferi, davagemovnebineT

qarTuli samzareulo da

didi popularizacia gavuwieT

Cvens qveyanas. swored im wlidan

vTanamSromlobT 15 qveynis

saerTaSoriso JiurisTan.

_ es aris is sfero, sadac

bavSvobidan gindoda, rom gemuSavaT,

kariera gagekeTebinaT,

popularuli gamxdariyav-

iT, gagexadaT es saqmianoba

komerciuli da erT mSvenier

dRes Tqven feisbuqze posti

dawereT, sadac ambobdiT, rom

Tqven gaxdiT mweralTa kav-

Siris wevri. rodis gawevrian-

diT, vin gagawevrianaT da,

saerTod, rogor moxvdiT mw-

eralTa kavSirSi?

_ me var ori wignis avtori,

erTi dedaCems mivuZRveni: „miyvarxar,

deda”, sadac Canaxatebia,

moTxrobebi, leqsebi da a.

S. rac Seexeba, meore wigns, iq

cnobil adamianebzea Canaxatebi

da interviuebi. vinc waikiTxa,

yvelas Zalian moewona da

sanam vinme kritikiT Sexedavs,

umjobesia, jer waikiTxon da

daskvnebi mere gamoitanon,

Tumca viRacas moewonebi da

viRacas _ ara, es ar aris problema.

wlebis manZilze dedaCemi

mweralTa kavSiris wevri gaxlavT,

SoTa niSnianiZem miiRo

da yovelTvis vizrdebodi mwerlebis,

msaxiobebis, momRerlebis

garemocvaSi da roca

adamians surs, rom gaxdes an

iyos mweralTa kavSiris wevri,

ratomac ara? Zalian bevri ni-

Wieri axalgazrdaa, kargi poetebi

da mwerlebi gvyavs da gamexardeba,

Tu isinic gaxdebian

mweralTa kavSiris wevrebi.

_ anu Tqven, ubralod, mog-

indaT Jinis dakmayofileba da

swored amitom gaxdiT mweral-

Ta kavSiris wevri? dedis faq-

torma xom ar imuSava?

_ dedis faqtorma ara. sakmaod

seriozuli Jiuris wevrebi

sxedan mweralTa kavSirSi da

rogor gaxda skandaluri

dizaineri giorgi masxulia

mweralTa kavSiris wevri?

giorgi masxulia:

`irakli kobaxiZes

Tmis stils

Sevucvlidi~

ise gawevrianeben.

_ magaliTad, vin iyo Jiuris

wevri?

_ piradad me mweralTa kavSiris

wevrad mimiRo baRaTer arabulma,

Semdeg komisiis wevri

gaxldaT mayvala gonaSvili,

rezo miSvelaZe da Zalian mniSvnelovani

adamianebi. 2017 wels

gaviare registracia da mimiRes.

_ giorgi, is, rom mweralTa

kavSiris wevroba gsurda, es

Tqveni Sinagani mowodeba iyo,

rogorc momavali mwerlis,

Tu, ubralod, piaris erT-

erTi kargi saSualeba, radgan

icodiT, rom am yvelafriT

sazogadoebis yuradRebas mi-

iqcevdiT?

_ es Cemi erT-erTi sabuTia,

romelic mTeli cxovreba gamomadgeba.

mindoda da gavxdi.

_ mwerlad miiCnevT Tavs?

_ me avisrule ocneba, meti

araferi. mwerali var-meTqi,

rom vTqva, es Cemgan Zalian

xmamaRali naTqvami iqneba, radgan

kidev erTxel vimeoreb, rom

saqarTvelos namdvilad hyavs

Zalian bevri niWieri mwerali

Tu poeti. is, rac yvelaze kargad

gamomdis, es aris samodelo

sfero, romelic Zalian miyvars.

profesiiT iuristi var,

magram, ratomRac, yvelas udip-

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gavuSvebdi politikuri asparezidan~

lomo vgonivar, sinamdvileSi ki

maqvs diplomi.

_ amis Semdeg gaxdiT Jur-

nalistTa federaciis wevri?

_ ara, jer ar var miRebuli

JurnalistTa federaciaSi,

Tumca ramdenime TveSi daamtkiceben

Cems kandidaturas da

mimiReben.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

migiReben?

_ SeiZleba, ar mimiRon,

winaswar xom ar vici?

_ JurnalistTa qartiis

wevrobac erTgvari piaris

gaTvlaa Tu?

_ esec unda iyos. rac me minda,

yvelaferi unda mqondes.

rodesac Tavze raRac mengreva,

imas aRar vubrundebi, axlis

Senebas viwyeb.

_ 24 wlis xarT da Zalian

bevri mimarTulebiT muSaobT

aqtiurad. gindaT TqvaT, rom

sakuTar Tavs kargad yidiT?

_ ra Tqma unda.

_ is, rom dRes giorgi masx-

ulias saxeli da gvari yvelam

icis; is, rom marTavT ramdenime

silamazis konkurss saqar-

TveloSi da debT reitings...

rom ara dedis, qalbatoni lan-

da masxulias faqtori, Tqven

iqnebodiT is giorgi masxulia,

vinc dRes xarT?

_ vera! dedaCems bolo oqroc

ki Caudevs lombardSi, oRond

me rame mqonoda da mqondes

cxovrebaSi. Zalian didi amagi

aqvs CemSi Cadebuli, yovelTvis

gverdiT midgas. socialur

qselSi rom Cemze skandalurs

daweren, aqeT mirekavs da mamSvidebs

xolme. dedaCemi rom

ara, namdvilad ver mivaRwevdi

imas, rac var da rogoric var.

_ kmayofilia deda Tqveni

miRwevebiT?

_ ara, radgan mas ufro meti

unda.

_ ras geubnebaT, rogoria

misTvis es giorgi?

_ konkursebze rom modis

xolme, amayobs. Tundac ar aris

advili moiyvano iseTi xalxi,

rogorebic arian Cemi konkursis

Jiuris wevrebi. aq ndobis

faqtoria da es eamayeba, Tumca

yovelTvis meti unda.

_ deda ras saqmianobs?

_ dedaCemi samxareo gazeTis

mTavari redaqtoria, 42 weli

muSaobda TbilisSi, aq moRvaweobda

da axla ukve aqvs samxareo

gazeTi „mrwamsi”.

_ giorgi, arasdros gi-

saubriaT mamaze...

_ Zalian kargi mama da adamiania.

deda da mama gaSorebulebi

arian, magram deda mamasTan

urTierTobas arasdros miSlida,

dRemde maqvs Sexeba. profesiiT

stomatologia, Zalian

kargi specialistia, cxovrobs

foTSi da gia pertaxias (giorgi

dedis gvarzea, _ avt.) vusurveb

sikeTesa da laR cxovrebas.

mamaze arasdros misaubria

da pirvelad TqvenTan vilaparake.

_ giorgi masxulia aris

`11 weli tardeboda `mister

valentini saqarTvelo~, Tumca es

yvelaferi iyo araoficialuri.

ideis avtorobas ibralebda gia

jajaniZe, magram es sabuTebiT arsad

iyo gaformebuli da konkursis

organizatori rom wamogaZaxebs,

Sengan araferi gamovao, aravin xar

da darCebi iq, saidanac Camoxvedio...

me mas Sevpirdi, rom konkursi

ramdenime weliwadSi Cemi gaxdeboda

da es konkursi gaxda Cemi!~

TaRliTi, gadamgdebi, arasando

pirovneba, _ ase gaxasiaTe-

ben is adamianebi, romlebic

Tqven mtrad migaCniaT. ratom

hgonixarT aseTi da ratom

asocirdebiT yovelTvis skan-

dalebTan?

_ samwuxarod, iseT adamianebTan

urTierToba gviwevs,

visTanac ar unda dagveWira

saqme, magram ras vizamT? _ cxovrebaa

aseTi da wlebTan er-

Tad swavlob bevr rames. deda-

Cemi yovelTvis imas meubneba,

rom iswavle adamianebis cnobao.

Cemi mteri Cemi maRviZaraa,

isini mafxizleben, vici, rom

varsebob da a. S. ver naxavT erT

adamiansac ki, romelic CemTan

mova da metyvis, _ mas movatyue

an vali ar gadamixdia. ubralod,

10 aTasi dolaric rom gadamixadon,

Tu adamians ver moverge,

masTan ver viTanamSromleb.

_ Tqven aseve atarebT konkurs

„mister valentins”, romelic

aqamde sxva adamians ek-

uTvnoda. Semdeg es konkursi

Tqvens xelSi aRmoCnda, rasac

win uZRoda didi skandali.

mogviyeviT, ra moxda sinamd-

vileSi?

_ 11 weli tardeboda „mister

valentini saqarTvelo”,

Tumca es yvelaferi iyo araoficialuri.

ideis avtorobas

ibralebda gia jajaniZe, magram

es sabuTebiT arsad iyo gaformebuli

da konkursis organizatori

rom wamogaZaxebs, Sengan

araferi gamovao, aravin xar da

darCebi iq, saidanac Camoxvedio...

me mas Sevpirdi, rom konkursi

ramdenime weliwadSi Cemi

gaxdeboda da es konkursi gaxda

Cemi! kaxi xabeiSvili iyo organizatori.

man namdvilad icis

is saqme, rasac akeTebda, Cven

dRemde SegviZlia, rom erTmaneTs

davukavSirdeT, magram,

albaT, ase iyo saWiro, rom es

konkursi Cemi yofiliyo. Cemi

konkursia aseve „mis da mister

Tbilisi”.

_ konkursebs rom Tavi dav-

aneboT, rogorc dizainerma,

gviTxariT da SeafaseT qarTveli

politikosebis Cacmuloba.

vin migaCniaT yvelaze gemovnebian

da ugemovno Cacmu-

lad?

_ kaxi kalaZe aris yvelaze

gemovnebiani. qalbatonebidan

Zalian momwons nino burjanaZis

ucvleli klasikuri Cacmuloba

da gamovarCev eka beselias

Cacmulobasac. rac Seexeba ugemovno

Cacmulobas, egeTebi sakmaod

bevria. magaliTad, guguli

maRraZes saerTod gavuSvebdi

politikuri asparezidan.

Zalian ar momwons misi Cacmuloba.

_ qalbatoni prezidentis

Cacmuloba rogor mogwonT?

_ ar vici, vinaa misi dizaineri,

magram sakmaod kargad imoseba.

_ vis Cacmulobaze izrun-

debdiT?

_ irakli kobaxiZes Sevcvlidi.

sxva stili mouxdeboda.

_ rogor stilSi warmogid-

geniaT kobaxiZe?

_ axalgazrda biWia da axalgazrdulad

Cavacmevdi.

_ Tmas SeWridiT?

_ diax, sxvanair stils SevurCevdi.

ufro Tanamedrove politikoss

gavxdidi.

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baraqa

Tel avivSi dasrulebuli

didi slemis daskvniTi dRe

baraqa

xvavrieli gamodga saqarTvelos

delegaciisTvis. bolo

dRes Cvenebma ori oqrosa da

sami brinjaos medali moipoves.90

kilogram woniT katego-

riaSi laSa beqaurma erTmaneTis

miyolebiT mougo israelis

warmomadgenel ben tenebuams,

germanel tim Smidts, italiel

nikolas mungaisa da slovak

milan randlis. Sedegad beqauri

finalSi gavida da gaespanelebul

nikoloz SerazadiSvils

daetaka, sadac oqro

Cveneburma qarTvelma irguna.

amave wonaSi beqa RviniaSvilmac

kargad daiwyo: jer yirgizi

erlan Serovi daamarcxa, mere

britaneli maqs stiuarti, naxevarfinalSi

gasasvleli brZola

ki randlisTan waago da repe-

SaJSi gadainacvla, sadac mungais

mougo da brinjaosTvis

azerbajanel mamadali mehdievs

daeWida da iponiT mougo.

100 kilogram woniT kategoriaSi

ilia sulamaniZem jer

bulgareli danil diCevi daamarcxa,

mere serb boian dosens

mougo, naxevarfinalSi gasasvleli

ki niderlandel mixael

korelTan waago. samagierod,

repeSaJSi belarus mikita sviridTan

iyoCaRa da brinjaosTvis

Widaobis ufleba onise sanebliZesTan

miiRo.

sanebliZem ukeTesad gaiara

gza: serbi aleqsandr kukolis

Semdeg, or azerbaijenel Ziudoists,

elmar gasimovsa da

zelin kowoevs mougo, magram

naxevarfinalSi maspinZel peter

paltCikTan waago da brinjaosTvis

ilia sulamaniZes Sexvda.

qarTvelTa jaxSi sulamaniZem

imarjva.

mZime wonaSi gela zaaliSvilma

oqrosken mimaval gzaze ungreli

riCard SipoCi, ebraeli

serafim kompaniesi, niderlandeli

roi meieri da Tanamemamule

guram TuSiSvili daamarcxa.

finalSi zaaliSvilis metoqe

rusi tamerlan baSaevi

iyo, sadac zaaliSvilma Cinebulad

iWidava da mkerdi umaRlesi

xarisxis medliT daimSvena.

zaaliSvilTan wagebiT Tu-

SiSvili brinjaosTvis ukrainel

aleksandr vaxaviaks Sexvda

da brinjaos gamorCa. manamde

ki, serbi vito dragiCi da tajiki

Temur raximovi daamarcxa.

Tel avivSi dasrulebuli

didi slemis daskvniTi dRe warmatebuli

gamodga saqarTvelos

delegaciisTvis. bolo dRes

Cvenebma ori oqrosa da sami

brinjaos medali moipoves.

90 kilogram woniT kategoriaSi

laSa beqaurma erTmaneTis

miyolebiT mougo israelis

warmomadgenel ben tenebuams,

germanel tim Smidts, italiel

nikolas mungaisa da slovak

milan randlis. Sedegad beqauri

finalSi gavida da gaespanelebul

nikoloz SerazadiSvils

daetaka, sadac oqro

Cveneburma qarTvelma irguna.

amave wonaSi beqa RviniaSvilmac

kargad daiwyo: jer yirgizi

erlan Serovi daamarcxa, mere

britaneli maqs stiuarti, naxevarfinalSi

gasasvleli brZola

ki randlisTan waago da repe-

SaJSi gadainacvla, sadac mungais

mougo da brinjaosTvis

azerbajanel mamadali mehdievs

daeWida da iponiT mougo.

100 kilogram woniT kategoriaSi

ilia sulamaniZem jer

bulgareli danil diCevi daamarcxa,

mere serb boian dosens

mougo, naxevarfinalSi gasasvleli

ki niderlandel mixael

korelTan waago. samagierod,

repeSaJSi belarus mikita sviridTan

iyoCaRa da brinjaosTvis

Widaobis ufleba onise

sanebliZesTan miiRo.

sanebliZem ukeTesad gaiara

gza: serbi aleqsandr kukolis

Semdeg, or azerbaijenel Ziudoists,

elmar gasimovsa da

zelin kowoevs mougo, magram

naxevarfinalSi maspinZel peter

paltCikTan waago da brinjaosTvis

ilia sulamaniZes Sexvda.

qarTvelTa jaxSi sulamaniZem

imarjva.

mZime wonaSi gela zaaliSvilma

oqrosken mimaval gzaze

ungreli riCard SipoCi, ebraeli

serafim kompaniesi, niderlandeli

roi meieri da Tanamemamule

guram TuSiSvili daamarcxa.

finalSi zaaliSvilis metoqe

rusi tamerlan baSaevi

iyo, sadac zaaliSvilma Cinebulad

iWidava da mkerdi umaRlesi

xarisxis medliT daimSvena.

zaaliSvilTan wagebiT Tu-

SiSvili brinjaosTvis ukrainel

aleksandr vaxaviaks Sexvda

da brinjaos gamorCa. manamde

ki, serbi vito dragiCi da tajiki

Temur raximovi daamarcxa.

VAR runi

„derbi qaunTis” mTavari mwvrTneli uein

runi inglisur da zogadad fexburTSi imxela

wonis figuraa, mis yvela sityvas serio-

zuli mniSvneloba aqvs.

amjerad runim VAR sistemis avkargianobaze

isaubra da rogorc yovelTvis, maqsimalu-

rad gulaxdili iyo.

„msubuqad rom vTqvaT, am sistemis mier

gamotanili zogi gadawyvetileba aradamajer-

ebelia. ver xvdebi, rogor mividnen msajebi

ama Tu im gadawyvetilebamde? vfiqrob, VARis

gareSe fexburTi ukeTesi gaxdeba. miuxedavad

imisa, rom xandaxan namatCevs ukmay-

ofilebis SegrZneba gaqvs, metad unda vendoT

moednis msajebs. unda mivceT muSaobis saSu-

aleba da pativi vceT maT gadawyvetilebebs.

VAR-i -i emociebs Slis. piradad gamitania ram-

denime goli, roca Tavi TamaSgareSi mgonebia.

gavaparebdi Tvals Tanamsajisken da Tu ala-

mi daSvebuli hqonda, vagrZelebdi golis

aRniSvnas. axla fexburTelebi 2 wuTi elodebian

gadawyvetilebas. emocia qreba. ikarge-

ba kavSiri qomagebTan. arada, golis erTad da

emociurad aRniSvna fexburTelebisa da qom-

agebis kontaqtis umTavresi komponentia“, _

aseTi gaxlavT uein runis argumentebi.

super!

tom bredim super bouli meSvided

moigo da am sportSi mis saukeTesoobas

Zaxilis niSani dausva. Cven ubralod

moTamaSeze ar vsaubrobT, vsa-

ubrobT legendaze, romelsac sadac

uTamaSia, yvelgan gundis suli da

guli iyo.

yvelaferTan erTad, is 43 wlisaa.

am asakSi moTamaSeebi ukve istoriis

nawili arian _ gamorCeulni navsayudels

didebis darbazSi hpoveben. bre-

dis garda jer aravin yofila, misi

wlovaneba 4-iT iwyebodes da NFL-is

beWedi moegos. sxva sportSi, ki batono:

karim-abdul jabari, enos slauTeri,

dino Zofi, jek qvini... tomi aseve

pirveli moTamaSea, vinc amerikuli

fexburTis super bouli sam sxva-

dasxva aTwleulSi moigo.

bredi finalebis MVP lebronze

metjer gaxda _ tomi 5; mefe 4 _ da is

mxolod jordans (6) CamorCeba. es _

NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL-Si -Si meore poziciaa.

am beWdiT daimsaxura, rom ara mx-

olod NFL-Si, sportis istoriaSi

udiadesTa Soris Caewera. misi niWiTa

da profesionalizmiT iseT amerikelebs

gauTanabrda, rogorebic arian muhamed

ali, jek niklausi, maikl jordani

da maikl felpsi. xalxma, vinc ko-

nkurentebisgan mxolod namsxvrevebi

datova, breds, rogorc Tanaswors,

ise iRebs...

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saqarTvelos axali kaci

gairkva! _ saqarTvelos

nakrebis mwvrTneli frangi

vili sanioli gaxda.

kontraqti orwliania da

kidev ori wliT gagrZelebas

iTvaliswinebs. mwvrTneli

rom gvyavs, ukve kargia.

seriozuli safexbur-

To da garkveuli samwvrTnelo

praqtikac rom umagrebs

zurgs _ mTlad uke-

Tesi.

visac gaxsovT „baiernSi”

mudam mebrZoli sanioli,

albaT xandaxan dagiWeriaT

mis TamaSSi sufTa germanuli

gautexeloba da brZolis

Jini, _ esec misi,

rogorc pirovnebis, maxasiaTebeli

da kidev erTi

plusi.

yvela „magramze” maSin

iqneba upriani saubari,

roca musie vili TbilisSi

Camova da yvela saCoTiro

kiTxvaze gagvcems pasuxs...

nakrebis pirvel Sexvedramde

ki sul 38 dRea

darCenili.

bunebrivia, am droSi axali

mwvrTneli araTu fexburTelTa

saqmeSi naxvas,

TiTo matCis Canaweris Tvalis

Sevlebasac ver moaswrebs.

avtomaturad dgeba

qarTveli asistentis sakiTxi,

romelic samidan

(franguli, germanuli, inglisuri)

romelime enas

gamarTulad unda flobdes.

ai, am asistentis vinaoba

Zalian bevrs gvetyvis.

rac Seexeba saTamaSo

stils, SvedeTTan, espaneT-

Tan da saberZneTTan meore

nomroba mogviwevs. arada,

sifrTxile da dacvidan

TamaSi arc zidani - anri -

makelelesdroindel safrangeTis

nakrebs sCveoda,

romelSic sanioli Tavad

TamaSobda da arc mis

droindel „baierns”.

vilis fexCarTuli fexburTi

uyvars. kidev erTi

faqtori samwvrTnelo

gamocdilebaa. erTi weli

safrangeTis axalgazrdul

nakrebSi da oric frangul

„bordoSi”. „baierni” ar

iTvleba.

sanioli 2017 wlis zafxulSi

aiyvanes karlo anCelotis

StabSi. ukve 29 seqtembers

karlito moxsnes

da movaleobis Semsrule-

ni (2006) da konfederaciis Tasis

orgzis gamarjvebuli (2001,

2003), „baiernis” Semadgenloba-

Si CempionTa ligisa (2001) da

germaniis xuTgzis Cempioni

(2001, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008).

igives ver vityviT samwvrTnelo

karieraze: 2013-14 wleb-

Si safrangeTis 21-wlamde nakrebis

mTavari mwvrTneli iyo.

Semdeg saklubo kariera daiwyo

da 2014-16 wlebSi frangul

„bordos” xelmZRvanelobda.

bolos „baiernSi” karlo anCelotis

TanaSemwe iyo da rodesac

italieli gundidan gauSves,

8 dRes wvrTnida bavariul

grands.

safrangeTis axalgazrdul

nakrebSi muSaobisas 6 TamaSi

moigo da ori fred iTamaSa.

SesarCev etapze 100%-iani Sdegi

aqvs: orjer mougo belaruss,

amdenjerve somxeTs,

TiToc yazaxeTsa da islandias,

2 fre ki amxanagurad iTamaSa

germanel da niderlandel

TanatolebTan. „bordoSi” 88

matCis xelmZRvaneloba moaswro.

statistikuri maCvenebeli

ki aseTia: 35 mogeba, 27 fre da

26 wageba. burTebis Sefardeba

ki uaryofiTi 122:124-ze. baiernSi

muSaobis 8 dRis manZilze

mxolod erTi matCi gamarTa da

hertasTan, romelic fred, 2:2

dasrulda.

bolo 3,5 weliwadi umuSevari

iyo...

Tumc, nebismier SemTxvevaSi,

warmatebebi, vili!

babli

Tbilisurad

blad vili daniSnes... zustad

8 dRiT da erTi Tama-

SiT, vidre rumenigem

mwvrTnelobaze iup hainkesi

daiyolia.

aramc da aramc ar vnavsavT

vili saniols. ubralod

vafiqsirebT, rom bevri

garemoebaa mis winaaRmdeg.

Tu saqmes realurad SevxedavT,

am SesarCevSi misgan

arc araferi gvaqvs mosaTxovi

da mere vnaxoT...

43 wlis vili saniolis

daniSvna qarTuli fexbur-

Tis 31-e wlisTavs daemTxva.

is Cveni erovnul gundis

21-e mwvrTneli gaxda, merve

ucxoeli da meore frangi...

warsulSi safrangeTis nakrebis

fexburTels 2006

wlis 2 seqtembers Tbilis-

Si, ganaxlebuli „dinamo

arenis” gaxsnaze saqarTvelos

nakrebis winaaRmdegac

uTamaSia. frangebma 3:0 moiges.

saniolis „mamlebis”

maisuri 58-jer mourgia.

mSvenieri safexburTo

karieraa. miT ufro, titulebsac

Tu gadavxedavT:

safrangeTis nakrebTan er-

Tad msoflios vice-CempiosaqarTvelos

sakalaTburTo

nakrebma erT-erTi yvelaze cudi

matCi Caatara da Tbilisuri

„bablis” pirvel dRes serbeT-

Tan 66:92 ganadgurda.

marTalia, saqarTvelos nakrebi

ar iyo uZlieresi SemadgenlobiT,

magram serbebsac

bevri varskvlavi akldaT, amitomac

aseTi angariSiT mogebas

Tavadac ver warmoidgendnen.

arada, TamaSi rom daiwyo,

didi xani TiTqmis Tanabari

brZola midoda, magram gundebs

qulebis moxveWa uWirdaT. meore

periodis mesame wuTis bolos

16:15 davwinaurdiT da aqedan

daiwyo Cveni „wvaleba”. serbebma

moumates da pirveli taimi

sami quliT wavageT. amas Tan

daerTo koner frenkampis travma,

romelic Cvens erovnul

gundSi pirvel matCs atarebda

da arcTu urigod. sanam moedanze

iyo, konerma 10 qula miiTvala,

magram travma uwyinar

situaciaSi miiRo da, rogorc

erTi SexedviT gamoCnda, sakmaod

rTulic.

Sesvenebis Semdeg Cveni dacva

saerTod moiSala da metoqe

yvela wertilidan erTnairi

sizutiT utevda. mesame periodis

Semdeg saqarTvelo 11 qulas

agebda. matCis bedi gadawyvetili

iyo da serbebs logikuri

sami qulis Cawera ar gasWirvebiaT.

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olimpiada roterdamSi darCa

saqarTvelos wyalburTelTa nakrebma

roterdamSi mimdinare olimpiuri

TamaSebis salicenzio turni-

ri saberZneTTan matCiT daiwyo da

did sensaciasTan Zalian axlos iyo,

magram...

jgufuri etapis pirvel matCi

saqarTvelos saberZneTTan hqonda,

romelic sportis am saxeobaSi erT-

erTi mowinavea da am matCSic udavo

favoritebad iTvleboda. matCis daw-

yebamde buqmeiqerebi berZenTa 10-

burTian mogebas varaudobdnen. Tum-

ca, Cvenma gundma kargad iTamaSa da

mogebasTanac axlos iyo, fresTan ki

ufro axlos...

iyo, saqarTvelos flei ofis sag-

mesame meoTxedi rom dasrulda,

zuri mopovebuli hqonda.

angariSi Tanabari iyo 10:10. meoTxe

samwuxarod, wyalburTelTa nakreperiodSi

saqarTvelos nakrebma go-

bisTvis olimpiada meoTxedfinalSi

li ver gaitana. arada, win gasvlis

dasrulda. serbi deain stanoeviCis

Sansi ramdenjerme mieca, magram mainc

Cveni gundi xorvatiasTan ganadgur-

CamorCa. qarTvelebs sul bolo Set-

da 5:16.

evaSi rom evargaT, berZnebs qulasac

Cvenebma matCis pirveli periodi

awapnidnen, magram ar gamovida. sab-

2:3 waages, magram brZola aRar Sedga.

olood, saqarTvelo 10:11 damarcx-

TamaSis bedi xorvatebma meore meo-

da.

TxedSi gadawyvites, romelic 6:1 moi-

wavageT, magram jgufidan gasvlis

ges. metoqem Zalian maRali klasis

Sansi ar dagvikargavs. momdevno mat-

gundis STabeWdileba datova da gas-

Ci saqarTvelos nakrebs TurqeTis

akviria jgufur etapze maTi marcxi

gundTan unda hqondoda, magram saqm-

ruseTTan.

eSi korona virusi Caeria, romliTac

aseTi maRali klasis gundis mier

ramdenime Turqi dainficirda da Segamarjvebis

bolomde miyvana teqni-

sabamisad, Cvenebs teqnikuri mogeba

kis saqme iyo 16:5.

CaeTvalaT.

turnirze gamoCnda, rom saqarTve-

Semdeg saqarTvelom jer kanadas

los momatebuli aqvs, magram maRali

ajoba, meore dRes ki maT wyals bradonis

gundebTan saTamaSod bolomzilielebi

gaayoles... jgufuri eta-

de sabrZolvelad mzad ar aris, Tumc

pis bolo Sexvedra ukve formaloba

arc uimedo mdgomareobaa.

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