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`mxolod vadamdel arCevnebs

bolo Tveebi, dasavleTi saqa-

Sorena marsagiSvili

rTve

velos mimarT interess aRar iC-

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enda. gansakuTrebiT Cveni amerike-

li megobrebi pasiurobdnen. gasul

kviras ganviTarebulma movlenebma Cveni qveyana kvlav aqtualur

Temad aqcia. saqarTveloSi mimdinare procesebs gamoexmaura

ruseTic. rusi komunisti gavrilovi, romelic „qarTulma ocnebam”

spikeris savarZelSi Casva da Cveni damoukidebloba waabil-

wvina, aRtacebas ver malavda, rom ivaniSvilis partia misi mag-

inebeli nika melias dakavebas apirebda. amis gamo rusuli mediac

bednierad aWylopinda. samagierod, dasavleTi gadairia da wina

kviras dawyebuli Sturmi isev grZeldeba.

ra Setyobinebebi modis

dasavleTidan? emuqreba Tu

ara ivaniSvils sanqciebi? ra-

tom aris vadamdeli arCevnebi

gardauvali? _ amis Sesaxeb

leiboristuli partiis wevri

beJan naTelaSvili „qronika+”-

s esaubreba.

_ batono beJan, raRac peri-

odi dasavleTs saqarTvelo

uyuradRebod hyavda mitove-

buli. miuxedavad imisa, rom

opozicia boikots agrZelebda,

dasavleTisgan

saTanado

reaqciebi ar iyo, gasul kviras

ki viTareba radikalurad Se-

icvala. maincdamainc opozici-

uri partiis ofisis Sturmi

unda daegegmaT, rom evropasa

da amerikas sakuTari pozicia

daefiqsirebina?

_ dasavleTi saTanado yuradRebas

rom ver iCenda Cveni

qveynis mimarT, es ramdenime

mizeziT iyo ganpirobebuli.

amerikas CvenTvis obieqturi

mizezebis gamo ar ecala. mogexsenebaT,

rom iq saprezidento

arCevnebi Catarda da damarcxebuli

donald trampi Zalauflebis

uzurpacias cdilobda.

misi momxreebi mimdinare wlis

dasawyisSi kapitoliumis SenobaSic

ki SeiWrnen. dalagda amerikaSi

viTareba da CvenTvisac

moicales.

_ aSS-is prezidenti trampi

rom aRar aris, es seriozulad

etyoba amerikelebis reaqcias.

_ trampis wasvla saqarTveloze

sasikeTod aisaxeba. gansakuTrebiT

sasixaruloa, rom

misi siZe kuSneri CamoSorda

TeTr saxls.

_ kuSneri leiboristebis

„sayvareli” personaa. Salva

naTelaSvili xSirad axsenebda

xolme mas. amtkicebda, misi daxmarebiT

agvarebs biZina iva-

niSvili amerikasTan saqmeebso.

_ Salva naTelaSvili srul

simarTles ambobda. mec igives

gavimeoreb: is ugvarebda russ

oligarqs TeTr saxlTan da

trampTan saqmeebs. misi saxiT

ivaniSvilma mTavari lobisti

dakarga. lobistis dakargva rasac

niSnavda, ivaniSvilma kargad

gaacnobiera da politikidan

gauCinarda. „ocnebas” amerika-

Si patroni da momgvarebeli

rom aRar hyavs, aSkara da TvalsaCinoa.

dasavleTis dumilis meore

mizezi iyo is, rom isini Cven

gvakvirdebodnen. evropa da

amerika ruseTi araa, rom sxva

qveynis saqmeebSi uxeSad Caerion

da raRacis gakeTeba gvibr-

Zanon. isini swavlobdnen aq Seqmnil

viTarebas da uyurebdnen,

Tu ra nabijebs dgamda opozicia.

Cven rom ar gveaqtiura da

boikotis reJimSi ar davrCeniliyaviT,

dasavleTi Cven

nacvlad ar gaaprotestebda

gayalbebul arCevnebs.

amdenxniani dakvirvebis Semdeg

dasavleTma dainaxa Cveni

protesti da erToba. evropam

da amerikam isic dainaxa, rom

arasamTavrobo seqtori da mosaxleoba

Cven mxares dgas. yvela

erTad ki vupirispirdebiT

„qarTul ocnebas”, romelsac

qarTuli saxelmwifo mZevlad

hyavs ayvanili. amis Semdeg daiwyes

dasavlelma megobrebma

TavianTi poziciebis dafiqsireba.

_ poziciebi mxolod maSin

daafiqsires, rac gaiges, rom

nika melias dakavebis mizniT

xelisufleba „nacionalebis“

ofisze Sturmis ganxorciele-

bas apirebda.

_ es iyo sruli sigiJe.

„qarTul ocnebaSi” Wkua aravis

moekiTxeba. vinc odnav mainc

azrovnebda, iman es gaaprotesta

da Tanamdeboba datova. amiT

man didi ubedureba agvacila

Tavidan, magram giorgi gaxarias

imdeni codva awevs zurgze,

mis am saqciels gmirobad ver

Sevafaseb. arc im sayovelTao

aRfrTovanebas viziareb, rac

mis mimarT socialur qseleb-

Sia.

_ Sesabamisad, arc mis fo-

tos daalaiqebdiT.

_ ra Tqma unda, ar davalaiqe.

es laiqebi ar momewona, magram

aman xelisufleba SeiZleba,

azrze moiyvanos.

_ gaxarias laiqebma „ocne-

ba” rogor unda moiyvanos

azrze?

_ Zalian martivad. „qarTul

ocnebaSi”, albaT, kargad acnobiereben,

rom gaxariam amdeni

laiqi imis gamo ar miiRo, rom

xalxs igi uyvars. xalxma mas

mxolod imitom daulaiqa, rom

am sazizRari xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg wavida. Cvens mosaxleobas

imdenad yelSi amouvida

„qarTuli ocneba”, rom nebismiers

daulaiqebda, vic aseT

nabijs gadadgamda.

_ kalaZec moagrovebda am-

den mowonebas?

_ aucileblad.

_ odiozuri irakli kobax-

iZe?

_ Tqven warmoidgineT, isic

ki miiRebda laiqebs. saxelsa da

gvars mniSvneloba ar aqvs, aq

mTavari moqmedeba da faqtia.

gaxarias gadadgomam, faqtobrivad,

Camoangria xelisufleba.

_ amas bevri ambobs da es

Camongreva riT gamoixateba?

_ pirvel rigSi imiT, rom

dasawyobebuli masala, RaribaSvilis

saxiT, Semoabrunes da

xelaxla gaapremieres. ar

dagvaviwydes isic, rom es batoni

„qarTul ocnebaSi” yvelaze

odiozuri fuguraa.

_ kobaxiZeze odiozuria?

_ bevrad ufro odiozuria.

man araerTxel aCvena yvelas,

Tu rogori araadekvaturia.

dasavleTis aseTi mwvave Sturmis

Semdeg RaribaSvilis premierobas

fasi daekarga, iseve

rogorc ivaniSvilis droebiT

gauCinarebas. SeiZleba, dasavleTSi

marTlac daijeres, rom

rusi oligarqi ganerida poli-

beJan naTelaSvili:

`nacionaluri

moZraobis~ ofisis

Sturms apirebdnen da

Tavad gaiSturmnen~

tikas, magram rogorc ki RaribaSvili

moabrunes, yvela darwmunda,

rom oligarqi arsad wasula.

ivaniSvili am gadawyvetilebaSi

rom ar Careuliyo,

premieris posts irakli kobaxiZe

daikavebda. is didi xania

cdilobs am postis dakavebas.

premierad kobaxiZeze ufro

odiozuri waradgines da dasavleTis

reaqciamac ar daayovna.

_ ise, karga xania, dasavle-

li partniorebisgan aseTi

mwvave Sefasebebi ar mogvisme-

nia.

_ es mxolod dasawyisia, win

ufro mwvave Sefasebebi gvelis.

aravin gaatarebs imas, rom

opoziciuri partiis liders

ukve meored mouxsnes deputatis

imuniteti. pirvelad „ocneba”

ase 2019 wels moiqca.

_ sanam meored mouxsnidnen

deputatis imunitets, kaci

sxva opozicionerebTan erTad

ixveweboda, deputatoba Segvi-

wyviteTo, magram „ocnebam” ar

qna, ori kviris Tavze ki melias

imuniteti mouxsnes.

_ uflebamosilebis arSew-

`qarTul ocnebaSi~, albaT, kargad

acnobiereben, rom gaxariam amdeni laiqi imis

gamo ar miiRo, rom xalxs igi uyvars. xalxma

mas mxolod imitom daulaiqa, rom am

sazizRari xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg wavida~

yveta calke Temaa. mas Semdeg,

rac erTpartiulma parlamentma

muSaoba daiwyo, opozicia

ixveweba, uflebamosileba SegviwyviteTo,

magram ar akeTeben.

aRsaniSnavia is faqtic, rom

maTi deputatad cnobac ar iyo

mTlad kanonieri.

_ ratom ar iyo kanonieri?

_ parlamentis wevrma unda

Caabaros narkotesti. opozicias

es testi ar gauvlia. isini

deputatobaze uars amboben

da am Semowmebis gavla saWirod

ar miiCnies. Sesabamisad, maTi

deputatad cnoba iyo ukanono.

es „ocnebaSic” kargad icodnen,

magram amas yuradReba ar miaqcies.

maTTvis mTavari iyo, msoflio

daerwmunebinaT, TiTqos

parlamenti erTpartiuli araa.

aqedan Cans, rom „ocnebis”

qmedebebSi aranairi logika ar

aris. yvelaferi gaanules, maT

Soris, ekonomika.

„qarTuli ocneba” Zalian

rTul dReSia, man saxelmwifo

mZevlad aiyvana da yvelaferze

midis, oRond ki Zalaufleba

SeinarCunos. es mcdeloba mas

Zviri daujdeba. dasavleTi

ukve Ria muqarazea gadasuli.

devid kramerma pirdapir Tqva,

rom ivaniSvils sanqciebi unda

dauwesdes. dasavleTi ivaniSvils

aRar endoba. evropac da

amerikac mieCvia, rom is dadebul

pirobas arasdros Seasrulebs

da ise moiqceva, rogorc

mas awyobs. 2019 wels man

piroba dado, rom 2020 wels

saqarTveloSi saparlamento

arCevnebi srulad proporciuli

wesiT Catardeboda. es ambavi

man salome zurabiSvils

gaeros tribunaze gaaxmaurebina.

mTel msoflios uTxra, saarCevno

kodeqss vcvliTo da

roca saqme kenWisyramde mivida,

Tavis mona deputatebs cvlilebebi

Caagdebina. aravin daijera,

rom misi monebi ajanydnen

da ivaniSvilis nebis winaaRmdeg

cvlilebebi Caagdes. ase rom,

misi aravis sjera. dasavleTi

mas aucileblad agebinebs pasuxs.

axla Cveni megobrebi dialogisken

mogviwodeben.

_ xelisuflebasTan dia-

logs azri aqvs?

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