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teqnologia, rodesac testreJimSi

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rogorc saxelisuflebo,

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gaxarias sasargeblod, imitom

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ar moswons arc erTi polusi

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didia, mis mimarT mxolod

simpaTia ebadeba, rodesac an

opozicia lanZRavs mas, an _

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rom misi oponentebis mxridan

masze Seteva mas ver azianebs,

piriqiT, sargebeli moaqvs. samagierod,

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mediasTan komunikaciiT marxaven

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miviReT, radgan is ritorika,

rac gvesmis gaxarias Tanagundelebisgan,

Zalian uxarisxoa,

katastrofuli mesijboqsia,

pirdapir geubnebiT: ubralod,

Cndeba kiTxva. es adamianebi,

faqtobrivad, adastureben

oponentebis azrs, rom es

aris „qarTuli ocnebis” sateliti.

faqtobrivad, es xalxi

saubrobs, rom xelisuflebas

saqme mihyavs kargad, ubralod,

cota ukeTesadac SeiZleboda.

maTi cnobadoba guSindlamde,

yovel SemTxvevaSi, minimaluri

iyo. ase rom, vfiqrob,

jobia, cota xans gaCumdnen,

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mesijboqsi da, albaT, sjobs,

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misi komunikacia sazogadoebasTan

bevrad ufro xarisxiani

iyo yovelTvis, vidre

am adamianebis da cota zedmeti

aiRes sakuTar Tavze, riTac

marxaven gaxarias. SeiZleba,

dabadebac ver moaswros bavSvma,

ise mouRon bolo, Tu ase

gaagrZeles.

_ naCqarevi xom ar iyo im

nawilSi, rom mesijboqsi ar

aqvs damuSavebuli?

_ isini SeiZleba, gamosuliyvnen,

magram ar esaubraT amdeni

da eTqvaT, rom Cven axla

varT partiuli mSeneblobis

fazaSi da yvela arsebul SekiTxvaze

pasuxs gascems Cveni

lideri, roca amis dro dadgeba.

anu Zalian Rrmad wavidnen

da, faqtobrivad, yvela sensitiur

Temas Seexnen da pasuxebi

iyo absoluturad aradamajerebeli.

_ mTavari xazi gaxldaT is,

rom radikalizacia, rac arse-

bobs, es unda davarRvioTo da

ramdenad damajerebeli gzav-

nilia?

_ es aris swori gzavnili,

magram swor gzavnils sWirdeba

swori SefuTva. axla Zalian

didi segmentia amomrCevlis,

romelic Teoriulad SeiZleba

gaxdes gaxarias eleqtorati,

romelsac ar moswons es mudmivi

dapirispireba, kinklaoba,

miT umetes, rom am kinklaobas

aranairi Sedegi ar moaqvs. Sesabamisad,

amiT xalxis didi

nawili daiRala da is eZebs iseT

politikur centrs, romelic

am iwilo-biwiloSi ar monawileobs,

Sesabamisad, es gzavnili

Teoriulad sworia. sworia,

rom amis miRma raRac procesi

daiwyos, romelic Tundac,

am politikuri Cixidan

gamogviyvans da apelireba iqneba

sxva saxelmwifoebrivad mni-

Svnelovan sakiTxebze. amaze

moTxovnileba dRes sazogadoebaSi

aris, magram sWirdeba

xarisxiani Sesruleba. swori

gzavnili rom gaqvs, es imas ar

niSnavs, rom Sen ar SegiZlia

amis gafuWeba. da es xalxi yve-

gia xuxaSvili:

ùkuRmarT

politikas

vatarebT~

lafers akeTebs, rom es ori

gzavnili maqsimalurad gaafu-

Wos.

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rom ufro meti esaubra, uke-

Tesi iqneboda...

_ man unda isaubros maSin,

roca is amisTvis mzad iqneba.

magram is, rom mis magivrad pasuxoben

sxvebi 20 ivnisisa Tu

sxva sensitiur movlenebze, es

aris Secdoma, vinaidan maTi pasuxebi

araTu aradamajerebelia,

aramed muSaobs gaxarias

sawinaaRmdegod.

_ SeiZleba iTqvas, rom gaxarias

gundic ar iqneba qarTul

politikur sivrceSi gamo-

naklisi, sadac mxolod erT

adamianzea mibmuli gundis

reitingi? da aqve: IRI-is bolo

kvlevebiT gaxaria meore adg-

ilzea patriarqis Semdeg, anu

es iqneba qarTuli politikuri

realobisTvis misaRebi standartuli

politpartia, ro-

melsac erTi reitinguli

lideri hyavs da danarCeni mas

mohyveba?

_ ki batono, Cven SeiZleba

`misi komunikacia sazogadoebasTan bevrad

ufro xarisxiani iyo yovelTvis, vidre am

adamianebis da cota zedmeti aiRes sakuTar

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dabadebac ver moaswros bavSvma, ise mouRon

bolo, Tu ase gaagrZeles~

ase vifiqroT, magram jerjerobiT

rasac vuyurebT, ar gvinaxavs

gaxarias gundi mTlianobaSi,

anu Cven ar viciT, ra gundze

vsaubrobT. es aris saparlamento

raRac nawili am gundis,

marTalia, susti cnobadobis

adamianebi, magram gaxarias

kidev aqvs dro, Tavisi gundi

ufro seriozulad Sefu-

Tos. iq marto parlamentarebi

xom ar iqnebian, iq SeiZleba,

sxva adamianebic vixiloT, romlebic

garkveuli avtoritetiT

sargebloben. ara mgonia,

gaxarias rame ambicia hqondes

beladobaze, ar hgavs aseT adamians.

magram Tuki politikur

wonaSi Zalian didi sxvaoba iqna,

SesaZlebelia, beladizacia

moxdes, misi survilisda miuxedavad.

es riski arsebobs, magram

unda davelodoT movlenebs.

me ufro didi riskic davinaxe

_ Tqven axseneT gaxarias

reitingi. es ar aris politikosis

reitingi, es aris molodinis

reitingi, iqidan gamomdinare,

rom politikur bazarze

moTxovnileba alternatiul

politikur centrebze

aris maRali da gaxarias garda,

sxva SeTavazeba am bazarze

jer ar Cans, es deficituri

moTxovnileba iwvevs mis mimarT

maRal molodins. Sesabamisad,

es aris maRali molodinis

reitingi da isic unda gvesmodes,

rom am tipis reitingi

Tavisi arsiT aris Zalian myife

_ did imedebs xSirad mosdevs

didi imedgacrueba. SegviZlia

Zalian bevri magaliTis moyvana,

rodesac molodini yofila

maRali, magram rogorc ki

politikaSi aqtiuroba dawyebula,

myisierad ganulebula.

„lelos” bevrad maRali molodinis

reitingi hqonda, vidre

Semdgom politikuri Sedegi.

magaliTad moviyvandi aseve

irakli alasaniasadmi molodinis

maRal reitings, romelic,

saboloo jamSi, araferSi

gamoixata. Tundac paata bur-

WulaZe _ 17-20%-mde adioda,

magram rogorc ki daiwyo politikuri

aqtivoba, maSinve Camovarda.

arc gaxariaa amisgan

dazRveuli. Sesabamisad, gaxaria

ukve unda gavzomoT. mas realur

SesaZleblobebSi davinaxavT

maSin, roca is aqtiur

moqmedebs daiwyebs. ai, misi gundis

guSindelma gamosvlam misi

reitingi sakmaod daagdo.

daiwyo degradaciis procesi,

man unda SeaCeros es yvelaferi,

Torem SeiZleba, nulamde

davides.

_ ra ikiTxeba mmarTveli

gundis gzavnilebSi?

_ maT gzavnilebSi ikiTxeba

partiuli oponireba da eWvianoba.

yvelaze sasacilo is aris,

rodesac opozicia saubrobs,

rom gaxaria biZina ivaniSvilis

proeqtia. TalakvaZe-RaribaSvili-kobaxiZec

ase fiqroben,

ubralod, amas ar amboben.

anu isini eWvianoben mamaze

da gabutuli bavSvebiviT

komentarebs akeTeben. frTxiloben,

Zalian agresiulad ar

upirispirdebian, amitom msubuqad

uteven. davuSvaT, me yve-

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Soris ufskruli gaCnda~

`yvelaze sasacilo is aris, rodesac opozicia

saubrobs, rom gaxaria biZina ivaniSvilis

proeqtia. TalakvaZe-RaribaSvili-kobaxiZec ase

fiqroben, ubralod, amas ar amboben. anu

isini eWvianoben mamaze da gabutuli

bavSvebiviT komentarebs akeTeben~

lafers vmecadineob, vsaqmianob,

is gareT darbis, TamaSobs

da mSoblebs mainc is ufro

uyvarT, vidre _ me. ufro biZina

ivaniSvils elaparakebian

axla, vidre sazogadoebas.

_ paralelurad, meore mxares

aris molaparakebis CaS-

lili raundi da gvaqvs aseve

evroparlamentarebis sakmaod

kritikuli werilebi, sadac

saubaria finansur sanqciebze

saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT.

ramdenad SesaZlebelia, saqme

mivides realur finansur sanqciebamde?

rodesac gavrcelda

7 evroparlamentaris werili,

mmarTveli gundi ambobda,

mxolod 7 evroparlamentari

awers xels da es arafers

niSnavso, ironiuli damokidebuleba

hqondaT am sakiTx-

isadmi.

_ dReis mdgomareobiT, „qar-

Tuli ocneba” fiqrobs, rom seriozuli

problema ar aqvs imisda

miuxedavad, rom raRac gafrTxilebebi

ismis, radgan

hgoniaT, rom argumentebi aqvT.

Tumca damerwmuneT, rom ramdenime

TveSi opoziciam da xelisuflebam

ra gaafuWa, es aRaravis

emaxsovreba dasavleTSi.

iq aiReben, ubralod, mocemulobas,

rom, erTi mxriv, qveyanaSi

aris steriluri xelisufleba

da erTpartiuli parlamenti

da mTeli opozicia qu-

CaSia. amis Semdeg isini calsaxad

gamokveTen xelisuflebis

pasuxismgeblobas, miT umetes,

SefuTvac Zalian mZimea, gansakuTrebiT,

marTlmsajulebis

TemasTan dakavSirebiT. faqtobrivad,

mTeli dasavleTi SeTanxmebulia,

rom CvenTan aris

politizebuli marTlmsajuleba,

rac maTTvis wiTeli xa-

`lelos~ bevrad maRali molodinis reitingi

hqonda, vidre Semdgom politikuri Sedegi.

magaliTad moviyvandi aseve irakli

alasaniasadmi molodinis maRal reitings,

romelic, saboloo jamSi, araferSi gamoixata.

Tundac paata burWulaZe - 17-20%-mde adioda,

magram rogorc ki daiwyo politikuri

aqtivoba, maSinve Camovarda. arc gaxariaa

amisgan dazRveuli. Sesabamisad, gaxaria ukve

unda gavzomoT. mas realur SesaZleblobebSi

davinaxavT maSin, roca is aqtiur moqmedebas

daiwyebs. ai, misi gundis guSindelma gamosvlam

misi reitingi sakmaod daagdo. daiwyo

degradaciis procesi, man unda SeaCeros es

yvelaferi, Torem SeiZleba, nulamde davides~

nas TamaSi, rac misTvis ar aris

damaxasiaTebeli. ase rom, yvelaferi

SeiZleba moxdes, miT

umetes, rom RaribaSvilis gapremierebis

Semdeg Crdilovani

mmarTvelobis gancda dabrunda

Cvens sinamdvileSi. anu biZina

ivaniSvils Zveli Tavis tkivili

daewyo isev. Tu gaxarias

pirobebSi is SedarebiT dasvenebuli

iyo, imitom, rom aRaravin

saubrobda Crdilovan mmarTvelobaze,

axla RaribaSvili

rom rames marTavs, amis aravis

sjera da, Sesabamisad, RaribaSvili

„Caudes” ivaniSvils, isev

daabrunes im mdgomareobaSi,

sadac veRar grZnobs usafrTxod

Tavs. jerjerobiT, dRes da

xval me ar velodebi sanqciebs,

magram Tu am Cixidan ver

gamovediT, mere ukve yvelaferia

mosalodneli.

_ bolos minda, gkiTxoT

opoziciis mier 15 maiss daan-

onsebul aqciaze: iyo Tu ara

es Secdoma, roca amdeni xniT

gadawies aqcia, roca arsebobs

molodini, am periodSi qveya-

na Caiketos?

_ aqcia mniSvnelovani formaa,

magram maT xalxTan dakarges

komunikacia. opozicia sainteresoa

im SemTxvevaSi, Tuki

is warmoadgens xalxs, arada,

saerTod gawyvites kavSiri. maT

TiTqos gauCndaT gancda, rom

danielsonma unda gamohglijos

xelisuflebas Zalaufleba

xelidan da gamoagoros maTken.

faqtobrivad, ufskruli

gaCnda maTsa da amomrCevels

Soris. opozicia maSinaa Zlieri,

roca mas xalxis mxardaWera

aqvs. amis gareSe arc danielsons

ainteresebs aseTi opozicia.

vera da ver moaxerxes

ndobis aRdgena da es Zalian

bevri indikaciiT Cans. dasavleTs

SeuZlia, mxolod daexmaros

qarTul politikur elitas

Cixidan gamosvlaSi da

opozicias isini seriozulad

Sexedaven mxolod im SemTxveva-

Si, Tu maT zurgs gaumagrebs

xalxi. samwuxarod, xalxma

dakarga mTlianad politikuri

elitisadmi ndoba, rogorc

saxelisuflebo, aseve opoziciuri.

xalxi cxovrobs Tavisi

problemebiT, Tavisi dRis wesrigiT

da politikuri elita

eweva kamerul politikas.

_ aris Tu ara axla is mocemuloba,

rom opozicia amom-

rCevels nel-nela kargavs?

dgas Tu ara am safrTxis win-

aSe opozicia?

_ jerjerobiT es situaciaa,

degradaciisken midis, ufskruli

izrdeba. ver vityvi, rom

amis Semotrialeba ar SeiZleba.

ra Tqma unda, SeiZleba. opozicia

rom kargavs amomrCevels,

es imas ki ar niSnavs, rom

eleqtorati „qarTul ocnebasTan”

midis. ubralod, es amomrCeveli

iketeba samzareuloSi,

Tavis problemebTan erTad.

opozicias SeuZlia am ndobis

dabruneba, magram es samuSaoa,

TavisTavad ar xdeba. Tu ar

mixvedi adamianTan, ar gaxdi

misi gaWirvebis Tanaziari, Tu

ar daarwmune is, rom im problemebs,

rac mas awuxebs, Sen,

roca xelisuflebaSi moxval,

arsebul xelisuflebaze ukeTesad

gadawyvet, Tu damajerebeli

ar iqeni, ra Tqma unda, es

degradaciis procesi gagr-

Zeldeba.

_ xom ar fiqrobT, rom

opoziciam Tavidanve Seiqmna

iluzia, TiTqos arCevnebi gay-

albda?

_ ar gamovricxav, magram xom

ar SeiZleba, am fiqrebSi CarCe?

sakuTari Tavi CixSi Seiyvanes da

axla uWirT iqidan gamosvla.

mravlobiTi travma da motexilobebi _ quTaiselma

eqimebma axalgazrda pacientis sicocxle ixsnes

zia. ra Tqma unda, Teoriulad

yvelaferi mosalodnelia. Tu

SeTanxmeba ar Sedga, vfiqrob,

vaSingtonidan kobaxiZis gancxadebaSic

raRacnairad gamoCnda,

rom ver grZnoben Tavs kargad,

rogorc Cans, iq xistad

daxvdnen mas da amitom daiwyo

iqidan isev konstruqciulobaamboben,

motocikletis moyvarulebs

mudam gansakuTrebuli safrTxe eliT.

avtosagzao SemTxvevebi invalidobis

riskebs zrdis, Tumca axalgazrda pacients

gaumarTla, rom profesionali

qirurgebis gundSi moxvda.

mamakaci quTaisis referalur hospitalSi

saswrafo daxmarebis brigadam

avtosagzao SemTxvevis Sedegad Seiyvana.

rogorc travmatologi irakli goginava

ixsenebs, pacients gulmkerdis

mravlobiTi travma, menjis Zvlebis mravlobiTi

motexiloba da Tavis tvinis

daxuruli travma aReniSneboda. mdgo-

mareoba mZime iyo, Tumca eqimebis gundma

maqsimalurad dadebiTi gamosavlis

misaRebad inovaciur meTods mimarTa.

„am tipis travmebi, TavisTavad, masiur

sisxldanakargs gulisxmobs, amitom

operaciis Catareba miniinvaziuri

meTodiT gadavwyviteT, romelic wertilovani

ganakveTebis meSveobiT Zvlis

repoziciasa da fiqsacias iTvaliswinebs.

sirTules warmoadgenda WanWikebis

mimarTulebis idealuri sizustiT

Casma, radgan daxurul sivrceSi maRalia

Zvlis perforaciisa da sisxlZarRvovan-nervuli

konis dazianebis alba-

Toba, amitom operacia kompiuteruli

navigaciis qveS ganxorcielda”, _ acxa-

debs irakli goginava.

operaciis msvlelobisas, rogorc

pacientis meuRle ixsenebs, ojaxs mxolod

uflisa da eqimebis imedi hqonda.

acnobierebdnen, ramdenad mZime iyo

dazianebis xarisxi da ra sirTulis qirurgiuli

Careva tardeba saoperacio

magidaze. sabednierod, operaciam warmatebiT,

garTulebebis gareSe Caiara.

gavis Zvali srulad Seikra da pacientma

aqtiuri moZraoba momdevno dRidan

daiwyo.

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is naklebad cnobili Cogani iyo

da 2011 wlamde saerTod ruse-

Tis moqalaqe gaxldaT _ ruse-

Tis saxeliT asparezobda. mas

Semdeg, rac iq finansur skandalSi

gaexvia, saqarTvelos moqalaqeobas

daubrunda. am periodSi

daiwyo nelisTan urTier-

Tobac. . neli doroyaSvili

tradiciul ojaxSia gazrdili,

mokrZalebuli da niWieri gogonaa,

basilaSvilebma ki imis gamo,

rom misi Svilis Zaladoba

rogorme gaamarTlon, is gamoiyvanes

gamomZalvelad, monstrad,

romelsac mxolod nikoloz

basilaSvilis qoneba da privilegiebi

ainteresebs. arada, es ase

ar iyo, _ im periodSi, roca maT

iqorwines, CogburTels arc fuli

hqonda da arc gavlena, maT

ojaxs finansurad nelis mSoblebi

exmarebodnen. nikolozi didxans

atyuebda nelis, rom wyneT-

Si cxovrobda. ise daqorwindnen,

rom qmris ojaxis wevrebs arc ki

icnobda. am periodSi nelim ukve

daamTavra javaxiSvilis saxelmwifo

universiteti, muSaobda

ras uyveba

`qronika+~-s

basilaSvilis

dedis megobari?

centralur saarCevno komisiaSi

koordinaciisa da marTvis departamentSi

da magistraturaSi

swavlis gasagrZeleblad emzadeboda.

basilaSvilebis ojaxma mas

swavlis gagrZelebaze uari ganucxada,

igive moTxovna wamovida

qmrisganac. nelic maT winaa-

Rmdegobis gawevis gareSe daeTanxma,

wamovida samsaxuridan da

mTlianad CaerTo basilaSvilis

karieraSi, _ dahyveboda mas turnirebze,

varjiSebze da sabolood

uari Tqva swavlis gagrZelebaze.

axaldaqorwinebul wyvils

calke cxovrebis saSualebas ar

aZlevdnen. nikas deda sistematurad

iTxovda, rom wyvils or-

TaWalaSi, maT saerTo saxlSi ecxovra,

sadac jansaRi ambebi namdvilad

ar xdeboda. ramdenime

faqts mogiyvebiT da amaSi Tavadac

darwmundebiT:

basilaSvilebs saxlSi calke

oTaxSi gamoketili hyavT nikas

mamida, romelsac aranairi adamianuri

uflebebi ar gaaCnia. realurad,

orTaWalis saxli misia,

magram mTavari diasaxlisi

nikas dedaa, nikas mamida ki gi-

Jad hyavT gamocxadebuli. sinamdvileSi,

fsiqologiuri reabilitaciis

kurss Tavad nato,

nikas deda gadioda. erTi periodi

qmari ojaxidan iyo wasuli

da am mZime fsiqologiuri travmis

mere didxans mkurnalobda

fsiqotropuli preparatebiT.

erTxans saxlSi nivTebsac ki

amtvrevda. problemebs mamis

gardacvalebac daemata da amis

mere akviatebebi daewyo, magali-

Tad, mudmivad cdilobda, nika

kontrolis qveS hyoloda da

aseve ganuwyvetliv akontrolebda

nekasac _ dReSi, minimum, 50-

jer urekavda, _ sad xar? ra

gacvia? dedaSeni sad aris? mamaSeni

sad aris? nikas elaparake?

avadmyofuri akviatebebi hqonda.

_ konkretulad kidev raSi

gamoixateboda akviatebebi?

_ erT faqts mogiyvebiT: roca

nika da neka saqorwilo mogzaurobaSi

wavidnen safrangeTSi,

nikas Tan turniri hqonda da

axaldaqorwinebuli wyvili sastumroSi

moTavsda. dedamisma

skaipiT daureka col-qmars, moikiTxa

da kategorilad moiTxova,

skaipi ar gaeTiSaT arc dRis

da arc Ramis ganmavlobaSi. am

ambis momswre piradad var. vuTxari

kidec, _ nato, ras akeTeb,

bavSvebma axla iqorwines, mieci

maT damoukideblad urTierTobis

saSualeba-meTqi, magram kategoriulad

momTxova, _ Sen nu

erevi, Cemi Svilis yvela nabiji

unda vicode, me is gavzarde,

cxra Tve mucliT vatare da misi

yvela nabiji unda vakontroloo.

miaCnda, rom Svilis cxovrebaSi

mudmivad unda Careuliyo.

nekas ar hqonda am Carevebis

gaprotestebis ufleba, maSinve

iwyeboda Tavdasxmebi mis ojaxze.

mere da mere foni kidev ufro

damZimda. magaliTad, nato ipovida

rame zRapars, mouyveboda nikas

da cudi personaJis rolSi

aucileblad neka iyo gamoyvanili,

_ naxe, nelikos ar hgavs es

cudi personaJio? mere da mere

ukve Riad aginebda rZals.

_ rogori pozicia hqonda

nikas?

_ dedas winaaRmdegobas, faqtobrivad,

ar uwevda, morCilad

itanda dedamisis gamoxtomebs.

erTxel, roca neka axali namSobiarevi

iyo (bavSvi daibada 1.600,

fitoplancetaruli ukmarisoba

daemarTa. janmrTeli orsuloba

hqonda, magram bolo TveebSi

mdgomareoba mkveTrad daumZimda,

plancenta daeTromba da sami

kviriT adre amouyvanes nayofi,

Tumca lukasi absoluturad

janmrTeli iyo), dedamTilma

daureka axalnamSobiarev rZals

da uTxra, _ ra ujiSo qali xar,

ra patara wonis bavSvi gaaCine,

arsad gaamxilo, vinc dagirekavs

uTxari, rom bavSvi sami kilo

daibadao. warmogidgeniaT, es ra

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basilaSvilis ojaxSi

ubedurebaa?! arada, realurad,

Secdoma swored maTma arCeulma

ginekologma dauSva, _ ver mixvda,

rom nayofi ar izrdeboda.

atirebulma nekam mxolod is

uTxra, _ nato, aseT mopyrobas

ar vimsaxureb, mTavaria, bavSvi

gadarCa da janmrTeliao. meore

wuTs mixvda, rom sworad ar

moiqca da cota xanSi daaureka

rZals, _ vaime, es ra damemarTa,

warmoidgine, dedam gagkicxa da

t...ze msubuqad wamogartyao.

iyo aseTi faqtic: axaldaqorwinebul

wyvils saxlSi uTenia

adgeboda da sawolSi uwveboda,

Svils unda moveferoo. nikas

fexebsac ki banda xSirad.

_ albaT, xumrobT?

_ ara, ar vxumrob. ase iyo es

faqti! Cemi TvaliT maqvs nanaxi.

arc nika aprotestebda dedis

saqciels. sul vcdilobdi, natoze

pozitiuri gavlena mqonoda

da is wyvilis cxovrebaSi am

doziT ar Careuliyo, magram verafers

gavxdi. mas mZime travma

aqvs gadatanili, mamamisi daxvrites.

ar vici, zustad ra danaSaulisTvis,

magram am faqtis

mere ojaxma quTaisSi saxli gayida,

saswrafod gaemgzavra qalaqidan

da TbilisSi patara bina

iyida. nato da misi da gasaTxovrebi

iyvnen, dedamisi yavaze da

kartze mkiTxaobiT irCenda Tavs,

mere nodar basilaSvils gauriges

da mTeli ojaxi avWalaSi gadasaxlda.

nodari maSin suxiSvilebSi

cekvavda da mTel Tbilis-

Si sasurvel sasiZod iTvleboda.

avWalaSi did magidasTan yrilobasaviT

ikribebodnen _ nodari,

nato, Tengo, nika, fati da

ia. es iyo „kutoki”, sadac gadawyvetilebas

iRebda aucileblad

nato, sxva aravisTan hqondaT

Sexeba, stumrebi da dabadebis

dRis aRniSvna ar icodnen. roca

nato gaTxovda, nodaris saxlSi

gadmovida dediT da diT, gadmovidnen

samive da diqtatura

daamyares am ojaxSi, naTesavebi

gauyares da batonoba daiwyes.

natos deidaSvili beqa nabolaraa.

am „kutokSi” mudmivad iyo

misi Zma. igi ramdenime weli ijda

cixeSi. narkotikuli nivTierebis

zemoqmedebis qveS cxovrobda

mravali weli. esec da Tengoc

etanebodnen narkotikebs.

nikas raRac ucnaurobebi

daewyo, mudmivad ambobda, rom

nekas misi vali aqvs, xan asi, xan

orasi dolari. amas nekas aZaxebda

da ojaxSi situacia Zalian

daiZaba. realurad, neka faliaSvilze

mis mSoblebTan cxovrobda.

samodelo saagentodan miiRo

araCveulebrivi kontraqti TurqeTSi

saerTaSoriso festivalze,

Zalian kargi anazRaurebiT

da nikas TanxmobiT gaemgzavra.

mere ojaxis daJinebuli moTxovniT

kontraqti Seawyvetines da

saqarTveloSi dabruneba aiZules.

jarimebis gadaxdac neka

doroyaSvilis ojaxs mouwia.

ganqorwinebac ucnaurad moi-

Txoves, 2019 wels ise, rom nekam

araferi icoda, mis daukiTxavad

nikoloz basilaSvili da mamamisi

nekas mSoblebTan avidnen da

uTxres, rom isini unda ganqorwinebuliyvnen,

oRond sasamarTlos

gareSe da kontraqti unda

gaeformebinaT, rom neka Svidi

weli ar gaTxoviliyo. Tanacxovreba

Sewyda da kontraqtic

gaformda. nekas arc qonebaze

dava ucdia da arc fuli mouTxovia.

Tanacxovrebis pirobebSi

SeZenili yvela qoneba nikas saxelze

gadaaforma, maT Soris, mis

mier garemontebuli sacxovrebeli

binebi, daitova mxolod erTi

bina da patara komerciuli far-

Ti veraze. rac Seexeba lukass,

bavSvs basilaSvilebi yuradRebas

saerTod ar aqcevdnen, faqtobrivad,

mas doroyaSvilebi

zrdidnen. roca bavSvma azrovneba

da laparaki daiwyo, avWalaSi

mihyavdaT. es Zalian iSviaTad

xdeboda. mere gairkva, rom bavSvi

bebiis mxridan fsiqologiuri

wnexis qveS iyo. mas nato xSirad

eubneboda, rom Sen dedikos Wu-

Wyian mucelSi ijeqi, dedasTan

mglebi arian da ar gahyve saxl-

Sio. erT dResac lukasi saxlSi

atirebuli dabrunda, _ bebiam

mcema, oTaxSi Camketa da gareT

ar miSvebdao. bavSvze fsiqologiuri

zewola eqspertizamac

daadastura da bebias Semakavebeli

orderi gamouweres. saapelacio

sasamarTloSi basilaSvilebis

ojaxma fsiqolog nana

CaCuas daskvna waradgines, arada,

bavSvs fsiqologTan arasodes

uvlia, daskvna ise dawera.

sanam sasamarTlo nikoloz

basilaSvils msxverplTan miaxloebas

oficialurad aukrZalavda,

neli doroyaSvili mas moelaparaka,

mourigda da bavSvis

naxvis dReebic gaunawila, magram

mamas arc erTxel ar gamouyenebia

es dReebi SvilTan komunikaciisTvis.

amas winaT Tve-naxevari

iyo saqarTveloSi da Svili

arc unaxavs. metic: vocapsa

da skaipze dabloka.

2020 wlis 21 maiss eqvsi Semakavebeli

orderi gamoica basilaSvilebis

ojaxze: babuaze, bebiasa

da mamazec. am etapze nikoloz

basilaSvils sasamarTlos

wesiT aqvs akrZaluli msxverplTan

miaxloeba. nekas waarTves

yvelaferi, maT Soris,

qorwinebis ceremonialze stumrebis

mier naCuqari oqros nivTebic

ki, aseve moiTxoves patriarqis

mier bavSvisTvis naCuqari

mooqrovili biblia, romelic

advokatis TandaswrebiT oqmiT

daubrunes basilaSvilebis ojaxs.

absoluturi tyuilia is faqti,

rac nekas winaaRmdeg basilaSvilis

ojaxma gaavrcela, Ti-

Tqos man nikoloz baslaSvilis

prizebi da Tasebi daamtvria. nivTebi,

romelic neka doroyaSvilTan

inaxeboda, advokatis meSveobiT

moiTxoves, rom daebrunebina.

raki provokacias elodebodnen,

basilaSvilis prizebi

policiis TandaswrebiT aRweres,

yuTebSi Caawyves da gasagzavnad

gaamzades. dRemde aravis moukiTxavs

prizebisTvis _ amaod

elodeba patrons. mas mere urekaven

basilaSvilebis advokat

Teona gvazavas da yurmils ar

iRebs. elodebodnen,rom neka am

prizebs gareT gaitanda an „glovos”

kuriers gaatanda da mere

axal Sav piars augorebdnen, magram

es rom ar gamouvidaT, CogburTelis

nivTebs arc ki moakiTxes.

realurad, nekas mxolod er-

Ti saxli darCa, xolo basilaSvils

cxra sacxovrebeli farTi

ukan gauforma. SeeZlo, Suaze

gaeyo, magram ar ikadra. erTi

bina bavSvisTvis unda eCuqebinaT,

reestrSi Seitanes kidec ganacxadi,

magram mere gadaifiqres,

Cuqebamde ki saxlidan sayofacxovrebo

teqnika gaitanes. amis

damadasturebeli faqti Semi-

Zlia ganaxoT kidec, rogor iparavs

nodari saxlidan mtversasruts.

axla cdiloben nekas gaSavebas,

rom rogorme misi Svilis Zaladoba

gaamarTlon. amis moyola

mxolod imitom gadavwyvite, rom

Svilze mzrunveli mamis imijs

farda avxado. detalebs kidev

sxva dros mogiyvebiT.jer sasamarTlo

process davelodebi.

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èklesiis sawinaaRmdego

dasavleTis zewolis miuxeda-

Sorena marsagiSvili

vad, „qarTuli ocneba” uars am-

599 92 16 22

bobs politpatimrebis ganTavisu-

flebaze. erovnuli moZraobis

erT-erTi lideris, Tamar CxeiZis azriT, ase xistad, Tavis

droze, sabWoTa kavSiric ki ar iqceoda. saqarTvelos xelisu-

flebis sixistes is ruseTis mxardaWeriT xsnis. CxeiZe miiC-

nevs, rom dasavleTis poziciac cota mkacri da mkafio unda

unda iyos. erovnuli moZraobis erT-erTi lideri rusul

kvals xedavs eklesiis winaaRmdeg agorebuli kampaniis ukanac.

misi TqmiT, moskovi eklesias qarTuli saxelmwifos mTavar

dasayrdenad miiCnevs da amitomac ebrZvis mas ase gametebiT.

Tamar CxeiZe:

`gvWirdeba

dasavleTis

ratom ar aqvs dasavleTs

saqarTvelosTan mimarTebiT

mkveTrad gamoxatuli pozicia?

ra intrigebs xlarTavs

qarTul eklesiaSi ruseTi? ra

kavSiri aqvs meliasa da ruru-

as cixeSi datovebasTan ruse-

Tis dazvervis Sef nariSkins?

vin da ratom ebrZvis eklesias?

_ am Temebis Sesaxeb Tamar Cx-

eiZe „qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ qalbatono Tamar, dasav-

leTis zewolisa da xalxis

protestis miuxedavad, xelisufleba

uars ambobs politpa-

timrebis gamoSvebaze. Tqven

riT xsniT maT sixistes? _

dasavleTi araa sakmarisad mo-

mTxovni, Tu Cveni sazogadoeba

ver gamoxatavs saTanado pro-

tests?

_ aseT dauTmoblobas, rasac

„qarTuli ocneba” amJRavnebs

politpatimrebis mimarT, sabWo-

Ta xelisuflebac ki ar akeTebda.

disidentebis dakavebebs vaxmaurebdiT

xolme. raRacnairad

vawvdidiT informacias dasavlel

Jurnalistebs. roca disidentebis

dakavebis ambavi ucxour

presaSi moxvdeboda, sabWo-

Ta kavSiri amaze reagirebda. komunistebs

imazec hqondaT reaqcia,

Tu mitingis mowyobas movaxerxebdiT.

„qarTuli ocneba”

warmoudgenel sixistes amJRavnebs

da amas Tavisi mizezebi aqvs.

maTi dauTmoblobis mizezi,

pirvel rigSi, isaa, rom saWiro

raodenobis xalxi quCaSi ar gamodis.

amaT mxolod didi raodenobis

xalxi aSinebT. Cveni sazogadoeba

yvelafris mimarT

inertuli gaxda. zogjer sakmarisi

raodenobiT gamodis, magram

es mainc arasakmarisia, xelisufleba

daTmobaze rom wavides.

meore mizezi maTi gajiutebisa

aris ruseTi. eWvic ar mepareba,

rom „qarTuli ocnebis” ukan

kremli dgas. swored ruseTi ar

aZlevs „qarTul ocnebas” daTmobaze

wasvlis uflebas. amis

gamoxatuleba iyo ruseTis sagareo

dazvervis xelmZRvanel

nariSkinis gancxadeba. es gancxadeba

uprecedento movlenaa.

_ ratom aris uprecedento?

ruseTi yovelTvis ereoda an

cdilobda, Careuliyo Cvens

Sida saqmeebSi.

_ ruseTi yovelTvis idga amaT

ukan, magram ase Riad arasdros

gamoCenila „ocnebis” mimarT

moskovis mxardaWera. kremlma

miiCnia, rom dasavleTsa da,

maT Soris, saqarTveloze gav-

lenis mosapoveblad seriozuli

da gadamwyveti brZola midis.

moskovi SiSobs, ar dakargos es

teritoria, amis gamo pirdapir

gamoCnda. nariSkinis gancxadebiT

ruseTma dasavleTs uTxra,

rom saqarTvelo Cemi gavlenis

sferoa, me vacxadeb masze pretenzias.

amasTan gaafrTxila Cveni

mosaxleoba da Cveni opoziciac.

nariSkinma gviTxra, xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg roca gamodixarT,

icodeT, CvenTan gaqvT

saqmeo. am gancxadebam frTebi

Seasxa „qarTul ocnebas” da

is aranair daTmobaze ar midis.

nika melias dakaveba dakav-

Sirebulia uSualod gavrilovis

RamesTan. 2019 wlis 20 ivniss

rac daatriala Cvenma xelisuflebam,

es iyo moskovis mimarT

maTi monuri morCilebis gamoxatuleba.

kremls Tavi moawones

da aCvenes, vinc Tqven winaaRmdeg

gamovida, davsajeTo. ruse-

Tis mowinaaRmdegeebis dasja im

Ramis darbeviT ar dasrulebula.

ramdenime aTeuli adamiani

daakaves aqciis Rames. zogi

mogvianebiT daapatimres. nika

melia mimdinare wlis Teberval-

Si daakaves da cocxali TaviT

ar apireben mis gamoSvebas. maT-

Tvis mTavaria, ruseTs asiamovnon,

dasavluri zewola ar

adardebT.

_ dasavleTis zewolis ra-

tom ar eSiniaT? fiqroben, rom

raki ruseTi umagrebT zurgs,

evropa da amerika verafers

daaklebs?

_ imitom, rom dasavleTi

CvenTan mimarTebiT garkveul

Secdomebs uSvebs. es Secdomebi

aTamamebs „qarTul ocnebas”.

_ ra Secdomebs uSvebs dasavleTi

saqarTvelosTan mimarTe-

biT?

_ isini saqarTvelos uCereben

finansur daxmarebas. amiT xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebi

didad ar dazaraldebian. am daxmarebidan

ZiriTad Tanxebs isini

iTvisebdnen, magram qveyanac

xom naxulobda amiT sargebels.

maTTvis gacilebiT mtkivneuli

iqneba, roca dasavleTi personalurad

dauwesebs sanqciebs. am

SemTxvevaSi marTla mouwevT da-

Tmobebze wasvla.

meore Secdoma isaa, rom dasavleTi

ver acnobierebs, Tu ratom

ar Sedis opozicia parlamentSi.

zogierTi dasavleli

politikosi miiCnevs, rom aq

arCevnebi ar gayalbebula. amiT

isini aqezeben xelisuflebis

araorazrovani

pozicia~

warmomadgenlebs da „qarTul

ocnebas” poziciebis gamyareba-

Si uwyoben xels.

Zalian mikvirs dasavleTis

aseTi damokidebuleba riggareSe

arCevnebis mimarT. es dasavleTSi

miRebuli formaa. amaSi

gansakuTrebuli araferia. es

politikuri krizisis gantvirTvis

erT-erTi saSualebaa.

yvela logikiT, es xelisufleba

ukve unda wasuliyo daTmobaze,

magram ruseTi ukrZalavs

amaT. ise ar ifiqroT, rom ar-

Cil TalakvaZes an irakli kobaxiZes

elaparakebian. kremls kav-

Siri aqvs piradad biZina ivaniSvilTan.

ivaniSvili, Tavis mxriv,

marTavs xelisuflebas da „qar-

Tul ocnebas” daTmobaze wasvlis

nebas ar aZlevs.

_ TalakvaZis SeTavazebaze

ra azris xarT? ar aris es daT-

moba?

_ ara. TalakvaZe gvTavazobs,

rom 20 ivnisis saqmeze yvelas

Seexos amnistia. es CemTvis yovlad

miuRebeli formaa.

_ ratom aris miuRebeli?

_ 20 ivnisis zogadi amnistireba

rogor SeiZleba Seexos

melias da im xalxs, vinc Tvalebi

dasTxara bavSvebs?! melias

araferi dauSavebia; imaT kidev

didi danaSauli Caidines. rac

maT gaakeTes amis amnistireba ar

SeiZleba. am borotmoqmedebTan

erT sibrtyeze melias gayvana

miuRebelia. nika melias gan-

Tavisufleba Tu surT, amisTvis

bevri saSualeba arsebobs da am

xerxebs mimarTon.

_ sxva daTqmiT rom gamouSvan

melia, es maT sisusted Ca-

eTvlebaT, rac xelisuflebas

ar surs.

_ ar undaT, rom sisusted

CauTvalon. arc ruseTi aZlevs

daTmobaze wasvlis nebas. etyoba,

rusebis iniciativaa, rom nika

melia da 20 ivnisis jalaTebi

erT sibrtyeze gaiyvanon. es ar

unda dauSvas opoziciam.

_ raki opozicia vaxseneT,

`moskovi SiSobs, ar dakargos es teritoria,

amis gamo pirdapir gamoCnda. nariSkinis

gancxadebiT ruseTma dasavleTs uTxra, rom

saqarTvelo Cemi gavlenis sferoa, me vacxadeb

masze pretenzias. amasTan gaafrTxila Cveni

mosaxleoba da Cveni opoziciac. nariSkinma

gviTxra, xelisuflebis winaaRmdeg roca

gamodixarT, icodeT, CvenTan gaqvT saqmeo. am

gancxadebam frTebi Seasxa `qarTul ocnebas~

da is aranair daTmobaze ar midis~

maT rigebSi raRac xdeba.

„evropuli saqarTvelo”, faq-

tobrivad, daiSala. partiidan

bevri lideri wamovida.

_ maT Sida samzareuloSi

Caxeduli ar var, amitom ar

vici, ratom moxda ase. Zalian ar

mesiamovna, roca gavige, rom

iqidan ramdenime lideri wamovida.

araa es kargi ambavi.

_ es partia Tqven Zalian ge-

simpaTiurebodaT. amis Semdeg

igive ganwyoba geqnebaT?

_ marto es partia ara, me yvela

is Zala mesimpaTiureba, vinc

dasavlur poziciebze dgas. arc

erT maTgans ar gamovyofdi.

„evropuli saqarTveloc” maT

rigebSia.

_ opoziciuri partiidan

liderebis wamosvla xalxSi nihilizms

xom ar gaaCens? ityvi-

an, Tavad garbian da Cven ra

unda gavakeToTo?

_ nihilizmi sazogadoebaSi

zogadad isedac aris. „evropuli

saqarTvelodan” liderebis

wamosvla did gavlenas ar moaxdens

xalxis ganwyobaze. es

adamianebi politikidan ar wasulan,

isini mxolod erTi konkretuli

partiidan wamovidnen. ase-

Ti ram xSirad xdeba politika-

Si. ar vici, ratom ver imuSaves

erTad. minda, rom opoziciaSi

SenarCundes is erTianoba, rac

axla aris. yvelaferze erT poziciaze

ver iqnebian, magram ZiriTadze

jer axerxeben SeTanxmebas.

_ bolomde SeZleben erT

poziciaze yofnas?

_ mgonia, rom SeZleben. amdeni

xania cdiloben maT darwmuneba-iZulebas,

magram parlamentSi

ver Seiyvanes..

_ „girCebis“ daTanxmeba moax-

erxes.

_ magaTze „girCebis“ ganayofi

vTqvaT. am adamianebs Tavidanve

surdaT parlamentSi Sesvla.

danarCeni opozicia isev

Zvel poziciazea da agrZelebs

boikots.

_ saqarTveloSi bevri darw-

munebuli iyo, rom SarSan

arCevnebze xelisufleba Seicvleboda.

Tqven jiutad amtki-

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kampaniis ukan ruseTi dgas~

cebdiT, rom ivaniSvili amas ar

dauSvebda. Tqvenma prognozma

gaamarTla. axla ra prognozs

gaakeTebT? rogor ganviTarde-

ba movlenebi?

_ ivaniSvili am arCevnebs rom

ar daTmobda, es cxadi iyo. rogor

ganviTardeba movlenebi, amis

prognozireba Zalian gamiWirdeba.

gamiWirdeba, isev da isev,

ruseTis gamo. ruseTis faqtori

rom ar arsebobdes, maSin sruliad

naTelia, vin gaimarjvebda

da rogorc iqneboda amaTi saqme.

axla „ocnebas” kremli uWers

Riad mxars da maTTan brZola

Zneli iqneba. opoziciasa da

sazogadoebas didi Zalisxmeva

dasWirdebaT. aseve gvWirdeba

dasavleTis araorazrovani pozicia.

sxvanairad Sedegs ver

mivaRwevT.

_ dasavleTs orazrovani

pozicia ukavia?

_ ki da es Zalian gviSlis

xels, rom ruseTis mier zurggamagrebuli

xelisufleba daTmobaze

waviyvanoT. Zalian didi

Zalisxmeva dagvWirdeba. opozicia

yvelafers akeTebs. iqneba

Tu ara maTi Zalisxmeva sakmarisi,

amas momavali gvaCvenebs.

_ opoziciis aqtiurobas xe-

lisufleba sxvadasxva Temasa

da Zalas upirispirebs. 9

aprils „ucnobis“ gamarTuli

aqciac amis demonstrireba iyo.

_ es aqcia 9 aprils aranairad

ar ukavSirdeboda. amiT xelisuflebam

Tavisi xalxi

daupirispira opozicias, erTgvari

Zala aCvena. mTlad darbevaze

ver wavidnen.

_ rogorc amboben, am aqciis

mizani swored parlamentis win

gaSlili karvebis darbeva iyo.

_ gegmaSi aseTi rame hqondaT,

magram saboloo momentSi amis

gakeTeba gadaifiqra xelisuflebam.

_ ratom gadaifiqra?

_ amisTvis sakmarisi xalxis

mobilizeba ver moaxerxa. SesaZloa,

xelisuflebaSi viRac

hyavT Wkviani, romelic mixvda,

rom 9 aprils rusTavelze qarTvelebis

darbeva Zalian wamgebiani

iqneboda. amitom es gegma

gverdze gadades da „ucnobis“

aqcia sxvanairad SefuTes.

_ „ucnobis“ aqcia mere moin-

aTla, rogorc sapatriarqosa

da patriarqis mxardamWeri aq-

cia.

_ ase monaTles, magram es veranairad

iqneboda sapatriarqos

mxardamWeri aqcia. es aqcia

piriqiT _ sapatriarqos

diskreditacia iyo.

_ sapatriarqoSi amas ver

mixvdnen? maTma oficialurma

warmomadgenelma „ucnobsa“ da

kompanias aqciis CatarebisTvis

madloba gadauxada.

_ sapatriarqoSi aris xalxi,

vinc am institutis diskreditaciaze

muSaobs. isini bunebrivia,

madlobas gadauxdidnen „ucnobs“.

am aqciam sapatriarqo

daaziana. Zalian samwuxaroa,

àntieklesiuri kampaniiT Zalian aRSfoTTebuli var. `greCixas~ msgavsi

tipebis mxardaWera eklesiis pirdapiri diskreditaciaa. aRarafers vambob

am mimarTulebiT prorusuli Zalebis aqtiurobaze, romlebsac eklesiis

mcvelebad moaqvT Tavi da TavianTi qmedebiT azianeben am instituts~

roca Tavad sapatriarqoSi zis

xalxi, romelic antieklesiur

kampanias uwyobs xels.

_ bolo dros antieklesiuri

kampania TvalSi sacemi gaxda.

_ es kampania zRvars gadavida.

am antieklesiuri kampaniiT

Zalian aRSfoTTebuli var.

„greCixas“ msgavsi tipebis mxardaWera

eklesiis pirdapiri

diskreditaciaa. aRarafers vambob

am mimarTulebiT prorusuli

Zalebis aqtiurobaze, romlebsac

eklesiis mcvelebad

moaqvT Tavi da TavianTi qmedebiT

azianeben am instituts.

_ „qarTul marSs” gulisx-

mobT?

_ magaTze vsaubrob. aseTi

antidemokratiuli da Riad

rusuli Zalebis gamoxatuli

mxardaWera, sinamdvileSi, sapatriarqos

winaaRmdeg aris mimarTuli.

es mxardaWera eklesias

wamgebian poziciaSi agdebs. es

mxardaWera araa, es gaxlavT

fsevdomxardaWera. maTi mizani

sapatriarqosTvis da eklesiisTvis

saxelis gatexaa.

_ bevri cdilobs, sapatri-

arqos saxeli gautexos, magram

sapatriarqo Tavadac itexs

saxels. amdeni xania, xalxi us-

amarTlobas aprotestebs da ar

imCneven. „nacionalebis“ dros

opozicias Ria mxardaWeras

ucxadebdnen. maSin amCnevdnen

usamarTlobas da dRes _ vera?

_ ar mikvirs maTi aseTi pozicia.

sapatriarqoc xom Cveulebrivi

adamianebisgan aris dakompleqtebuli.

am institutSi

bevria gawevrianebuli da maT

aqvT TavianTi Sexedulebebi.

zogi Rirseulia, zogi dasavlur

poziciaze dgas, zogi uRirsia

da prorusuli pozicia ukavia.

arc imas gamovricxav, rom

SigniT sxva qveynis agenturac

muSaobdes. mere ra, rom isini

sasuliero pirebi arian? isini

Cveulebrivi adamianebi arian.

yvela adamiani codvilia. arc

isini iqnebian gamonaklisebi.

`yvela logikiT, es xelisufleba ukve unda

wasuliyo daTmobaze, magram ruseTi ukrZalavs

amaT. ise ar ifiqroT, rom arCil TalakvaZes an

irakli kobaxiZes elaparakebian. kremls kavSiri

aqvs piradad biZina ivaniSvilTan. ivaniSvili,

Tavis mxriv, marTavs xelisuflebas da `qarTul

ocnebas~ daTmobaze wasvlis nebas ar aZlevs~

_ amaSi Tqven tragedias ver

xedavT?

_ kargi ambavi araa, magram arc

gasakviria. sapatriarqoSi arsebul

situacias saTavisod iyenebs

xelisufleba da eklesiis

winaaRmdeg gegmazomier kampanias

axorcielebs. gegmazomierad

arCeven sxvadasxva faqtebs. magaliTisTvis

minda moviyvano is

samwuxaro incidenti, rac Wyondidis

eparqiaSi moxda. kidev vimeoreb,

rom sasuliero pirebi

Cveulebrivi adamianebi arian da

maT Sorisac xdeba kamaTi. arc

konfliqtisgan arian dazRveulebi.

meufe stefanesa da deda

sosanas Soris momxdar kamaTs

arnaxuli reaqcia mohyva.

_ es Cveulebrivi kamaTi ar

iyo da amitomac mohyva aseTi

reaqcia.

_ mimaCnia, rom Cveulebrivi

kamaTi iyo, magram, ratomRac,

yvelam amaze gaamxvila yuradReba.

iseTi ambavi atyda, rom

aq situaciis dasaregulireblad

Camosuli kristian danielsoni

yvelas miaviwyda. yvela

sainformacio saSualeba am Temas

aSuqebda. meti salaparako,

ubralod, ar iyo. sxva SemTxvevaSi

amaze gamecineboda, magram

axla ar mecineba. ar mecineba

imitom, rom rogorc

ukve giTxariT, eklesiaze gegmazomieri

Seteva midis. organizebulad

axorcieleben Setevas

patriarqzec.

Wyondidis eparqiis yofili

episkoposi petre caava da misi

momxreebi ilia meoris mimarT

marazmatikul da ararealur

braldebebs ayeneben. es braldebebi

aravis aRSfoTebas ar

iwvevs. Turme, es araferi yofila

da episkoposi monazons rom

ekamaTa, amiT daiqca qveyana.

mTeli media petre caavas braldebebis

tiraJirebas axdens.

lamisaa, petres sibinZureebis

nTxeva disidentobad CauTvalon.

ver gavige, Tu erT meufes

ar aqvs ufleba, monazos eCxubos,

meore meufes ratom uwoneben

sibinZureebis nTxevas? ase-

Ti binZuri braldebebi arasdros

momismenia. imas ar vambob,

rom patriarqis gakritikevba ar

SeiZleba. nebismieri adamianis

gakritikeba SeiZleba. petre

caava patriarqs ar akritikebs,

is mas binZurad swamebs cils.

aseTi Worebi misTvis komunistebsac

ki ar gauvrcelebiaT. es

elementaruli absurdi da ciliswamebaa

da is arafriT araa

dasabuTebuli! meufe stefanes

qmedebiT aRSfoTebuli xalxi,

petre caavas taSs rom ukravs,

es CemTvis gaugebaria.

_ patriarqis winaaRmdeg se-

riozuli kampania midis, magram

mainc veraferi daakles. bolo

kvlevebiT qveyanaSi patriarqi

yvelaze maRali ndobiT sarge-

blobs.

_ eklesiasa da patriarqs

komunistebmac veraferi daakles

da verc momavalSi daakleben

rames. patriarqisgan gansxvavebiT,

eklesia dazaralda. am

gegmazomierma kampaniam es instituti

mniSvnelovnad daaknina.

axla midis saxelis gatexa.

Zalian saintereso ambavia, rom

dRes antieklesiur Zalebs mianiWes

Teologebis wodeba. isini

xSir SemTxvevaSi Teologebis

saxeliT ilaSqreben eklesiis

winaaRmdeg. bevr maTgans Teologiaze

warmodgenac ki ar aqvs.

ubralod davalebuli aqvT, rom

eklesia da patriarqi unda lan-

ZRon.

_ eklesiaSi mimdinare pro-

cesebs namdvili Teologebic

aprotesteben.

_ zogierTi maTgani gulSematkivris

poziciidan akritikebs

sapatriarqos. me eklesiis

winaaRmdeg galaSqrebas vaprotesteb,

Torem calkeuli episkoposebi

aucileblad unda gavakritikoT.

_ romeli episkopesebi imsax-

ureben Tqvens kritikas?

_ is episkoposebi, romlebic

rusul ideebs qadageben, unda

gavakritikoT. amasTan, icodes

yvelam, rom eklesiis, rogorc

institutis winaaRmdeg, galaSqreba

aris rusuli saqme.

_ fiqrobT, rom am kampaniis

ukan ruseTi dgas?

_ ar vfiqrob, amaSi Rrmad

var darwmunebuli. erTi wuTi-

Tac ar mepareba eWvi, rom am

kampaniis ukan ruseTi dgas da

isini gegmaven yvela sibinZures.

amaSi maT saqarTvelos xelisufleba

uwyobs xels.

_ Tqven ruseTume episkoposebi

axseneT. aseTebi mrav-

lad gvyavs da raRaSi sWirdeba

ruseTs sapatriarqos winaaRmdeg

galaSqreba? savsea iqauro-

ba maTi xalxiT.

_ maTTvis mTavari mizani ara

sapatriarqo, aramed eklesiaa.

mas Semdeg, rac ruseTma saqar-

Tvelo daipyro, mTavar samizned

eklesia gaixada. qarTuli

saxelmwifoebriobis erT-erTi

sayrdeni aris eklesia.

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irakli kobaxiZem SeiZleba

„qarTuli ocnebis” Tavmjdoma-

Sorena marsagiSvili

re irakli kobaxiZe xSirad dasci-

599 92 16 22

nis opozicias _ aqamde quCas ver

avsebdnen, axla Salikos fanCa-

tursac (ase monaTles „qocebma” leiboristebis ofisi) veRar

avsebeno. arada, irakli kobaxiZis wyalobiT, male „qarTul

ocnebasac” gauWirdeba ofisis Sevseba da SesaZloa, saparlamento

umravlesobac Tavze Camoemxos. saparlamento umrav-

lesoba da „qarTuli ocneba” ukve datova giorgi gaxarias

gundma. igives kaxa kalaZis gundic Tu gaakeTebs, mmarTveli

partia parlamentSi umravlesobis gareSe darCeba.parlamentis

yofilma Tavmjdomarem imdenad gaiTavisa biZinasnacvloba, rom

ukve imasac wyvets, romeli partia CaZiros da gaanadguros.

amjerad samizned „patriotTa aliansi” hyavs arCeuli.

kobaxiZis magia

mmarTvel partiaSi erTmaneTisgan

radikalurad gansxvavebuli

adamianebi arian gaerTianebulebi.

am gundSi misi Seqmnis

dRidan ar yofila harmonia, irakli

kobaxiZis partiis Tavmjdomared

daniSvnis Semdeg ki yvelaferi

Tavdayira dadga da uaresobisken

wavida. mmarTveli

partiis kuluarebSi amboben,

rom parlamentis yofilma Tavmjdomarem

partiaSi saSinelebebi

daatriala da yvelas gaufu-

Wa saqme, vinc ivaniSvilis karze

raRac gavleniT sargeblobda.

jerjerobiT anzor CubiniZes,

vaxtang gomelaursa da grigol

liluaSvils ver daaklo veraferi.

Tumca ar nebdeba da am mimarTulebiTac

awarmoebs samuSaoebs.

irakli kobaxiZem am partiaSi

intrigebis xlarTva, jer kidev,

2015 wlidan daiwyo. maSin is

partiis aRmasrulebel mdivnad

dainiSna. „qarTul ocnebaSi” nino

burjanaZis partiidan gadaipara.

axla TavgamodebiT lan-

ZRavs im partias, sadac mSoblebianad

iyo dabudebuli. aRsani-

Snavia, rom 2016 welsac da SarSandel

arCevnebzec kobaxiZem didi

wvlili Seitana, rom burjanaZis

partias barieri ar gadaelaxa.

burjanaZisgan gamoparulma

Tavdapirvelad levan izoriasTan

daiwyo muSaoba, mere kaxa kalaZe

gaicno. kalaZis gundis wevri

gaxda da misi daxmarebiT sakmaod

warmatebuli kariera gaikeTa.

2016 wels ukve parlamentis Tavmjdomared

mogvevlina.

kalaZisa da misi gundis daxmarebiT

man Ria brZola gamoucxada

premier giorgi kvirikaSvils.

es brZola kvirikaSvilis

wasvliT dasrulda. kobaxiZem

kalaZis gundTan erTad manamdec

moinela erTi premieri. Tavis

droze, irakli RaribaSvils maT

gaufuWes saqme ivaniSvilTan. maT

ahqondaT „ocnebis” kompromatebi.

es yvelaferi imiT dasrulda,

rom RaribaSvils Tanamdebobidan

gadadgomis Sesaxeb daawerines

gancxadeba.

mesame premieri irakli kobaxiZem

TebervalSi moinela. giorgi

gaxarias Tavidan kaxa kalaZesTan

erTad uTxrida Zirs. mere

maT Sorisac gafuWda urTier-

Tobebi. „qarTuli ocnebis” axalma

Tavmjdomarem intrigebis

xlarTva mamuka mdinaraZesTan

erTad gaagrZela. rogorc „ocnebaSi”

gviyvebian, irakli kobaxiZe

dedis gavlenis qveS aris da

misi rCevebiT moqmedebs. dedamisic

partia „qarTuli ocnebis”

wevria.

mTeli „qarTuli ocneba” ukmayofiloa

kobaxiZis moqmedebebiT,

magram verafers xdebian. is

biZina ivaniSvilis didi mxardaWeriT

sargeblobs. swored amitom

gadauloca mas partiis

Tavmjdomaris posti. „ocnebaSi”

gviTxres, rom ivaniSvils kobaxiZis

mitanili ambebisac sjera.

kobaxiZis gamo gaufuWda vasiko

maRlaferiZes urTierToba

ivaniSvilTan. amis gamo maRlaferiZem

partiuli Tanamdeboba

datova. kobaxiZem gaagdebina

ivaniSvils laSa nacvliSvili.

kobaxiZem gamoiyvana wyobilebidan

giorgi gaxaria da kobaxiZem

daapirispira ivaniSvili kaxa

kalaZesTan.

zemoT giTxariT, rom kobaxiZem

sami premieri moinela da

axla, rogorc sCans, meore wreze

apirebs wasvlas. is kidev erTxel

Seudga irakli RaribaSvilis

gaSavebas. valSi mas arc premieri

rCeba da yvelafers akeTebs, rom

irakli kobaxiZes partiis Tavmjdomaris

posti daatovebinos. am

saqmeSi premiers bevri Tanamoazre

hyavs. ivaniSvilis mxardaWera

rom ara, parlamentis yofil

Tavmjdomares partiis Tavmjdomareobidan

miabrZanebdnen.

SesaZloa, miabrZanon kidevac.

ivaniSvilma Tanagundelebs SemouTvala,

jerjerobiT, eg iyos

partiis Tavmjdomare da mere

vnaxoTo.

rogorc zemoT ukve aRvniSneT,

„qarTul ocnebaSi” irakli

kobaxiZis dawinaureba kaxa kala-

Zis damsaxurebaa, romelic ivani-

Svilis karze erT-erTi yvelaze

dafasebuli persona iyo. Tumca

irakli kobaxiZis wyalobiT dRes

Tbilisis meri TamaSgare mdgomareobaSi

aRmoCnda.

situacia isea daZabuli, rom

kaxa kalaZem SesaZloa Tbilisis

meris posti da „qarTuli ocnebac”

ki datovos. man erTxel

ukve scada wasvla. martSi ivaniSvils

SeuTvala, partiidan wavalo.

misgan wasvlaze kurTxeva ar

miuRia, ubralod SemouTvala,

axla kobaxiZea partiis Tavmjdomare

da imasTan gaarkvie yvelaferio.

partiis TavmjdomaresTan

dedaqalaqis mers is unda gaerkvia,

iqneba Tu ara kvlav „ocnebis”

Tbilisis merobis kandidati.

Tbilisis meris ganawyenebis

xarisxiT Tu vimsjelebT, am etapze

misi kandidatura ar ganixileba.

merobis kandidatad dayenebas

vin Civis, kalaZis mosatexad

kobaxiZe partiaSi generaluri

mdivnis postis gauqmebasac apirebda.

kalaZes es Tanamdeboba

uWiravs partiaSi.

aman ise gaabraza dedaqalaqis

meri, rom is partiidan wasvliT

daimuqra. „qarTuli ocneba” ma-

Sin situaciis gamwvavebas moerida

da generaluri mdivnis posti

aRar gaauqma. Tumca mas iseve,

rogorc sxva bevr liders, partiaSi

aRarafers ekiTxebian.

irakli kobaxiZe namdvili patara

biZina gaxda.

kobaxiZis ar iyos, kalaZesac

uamravi intriga aqvs partiaSi

datrialebuli. bevrs ar ewyineba,

Tu is „qarTuli ocnebidan”

wava. Tumca axla yvela erideba

skandalebs. „ocnebaSi” sakmaod

mZimed aris saqme da Tbilisis

merisgan avtogoli aRar sWirdebaT.

kaxa kalaZe Tu wava, es „ocnebis”

momxreebSi did imedgacruebas

gamoiwvevs. meocnebeebi

isedac ganawyenebuli arian irakli

kobaxiZisa da misi garemocvis

aRzevebis gamo.

ra gadawyvetilebas miiRebs

dedaqalaqis meri da ra ganaCens

gamoutans mas „ocneba”, amas male

vnaxavT. mmarTvel partiaSi mas-

Tan dakavSirebiT xisti gadawyvetilebebis

miRebas eridebian,

radgan ician, rom mas SeuZlia

saparlamento umravlesobis

daSla.

„qarTulma ocnebam” parlamentSi

90 kacis gayvana moaxerxa.

gaxarias 6-ma Tanagundelma umravlesoba

datova. kalaZec Tu

9 kacs waiyvans, umravlesoba aRar

iarsebebs. aRsaniSnavia, rom

kalaZes parlamentSi sakmaod seriozuli

gundi hyavs. mis mimarT

yvela solidaruli ar iqneba,

magram nawilmac rom dau-

Wiros mxari, parlamentSi movlenebi

ucnauri scenariT ganvi-

Tardeba.

`kalaZisa da misi gundis daxmarebiT man Ria

brZola gamoucxada premier giorgi

kvirikaSvils. es brZola kvirikaSvilis

wasvliT dasrulda. kobaxiZem kalaZis gundTan

erTad manamdec moinela erTi premieri. Tavis

droze, irakli RaribaSvils maT gaufuWes

saqme ivaniSvilTan. maT ahqondaT òcnebis~

kompromatebi. es yvelaferi imiT dasrulda,

rom RaribaSvils Tanamdebobidan gadadgomis

Sesaxeb daawerines gancxadeba. mesame premieri

irakli kobaxiZem TebervalSi moinela. giorgi

gaxarias Tavidan kaxa kalaZesTan erTad

uTxrida Zirs~

dedaqalaqis meri rom raRacas

apirebs, amas opoziciaSic

elodebian. TvalSi sacemia, rom

mas oponentebi Zveleburi SemarTebiT

aRar akritikeben. arc

kalaZe aginebs opozicias. arada,

aqamde maTi misamarTiT sul imas

gahyviroda, gamoeqaneTo. opoziciam

iseTi xalxi miiRo Tavis

rigebSi, iq arc kalaZis Sefareba

gauWirdebaT da amis gamo arc

Tbilisis mers Sercxveba.

arc isaa gamoricxuli, man

politika saerTod datovos da

milanSi gadavides sacxovreblad.

gadawyvetilebebis miRebamde

is ivaniSvilTan cdilobs

dalaparakebas. jerjerobiT

oligarqi mas mxolod Suamavlebis

meSveobiT esaubreba.

kalaZis saqarTvelodan Sesa-

Zlo wasvlaze Tebervlidan alaparakdnen.

maSin gaxda cnobili,

rom man ukrainaSi biznesebi gayida.

sakmaod soliduri Tanxa

Caricxa Sveicariis bankSi. es yvelaferi

ucxoeTSi sacxovreblad

gadasvlis samzadiss daukav-

Sires. Tumca arc is gamoiricxa,

rom Tbilisis meri Tavis gund-

Tan erTad damoukidebel TamaSs

daiwyebda. amisTvis mas namdvilad

aqvs resursi, rogorc fuladi,

aseve adamianuri. sakuTari

politikuri gundis formireba

man, jer kidev, energetikis ministrobis

dros daiwyo.

ratom aCqarda gaxaria?

yofilma premierma giorgi

gaxariam politikaSi dabrunebis

Sesaxeb gancxadeba gadadgomidan

erT TveSi gaakeTa. Tavidan ufro

mozomilad da dinjad moqmedebda.

Tumca bolo dros

Zalian aCqarda. rogorc „qronika+~-isTvis

gaxda cnobili, yofili

premieri moqmedebebis dawyebas

ivaniSvilTan dalaparakebis

Semdeg apirebda.

man ramdenjerme scada „ocnebis”

SemqmnelTan darekva, magram

ivaniSvilma mis zarebs ar

upasuxa. Semdeg Suamavlebis meSveobiT

SeuTvala, rom Sen winaaRmdeg

wasvla arc mifiqria da

es yvelaferi irakli kobaxiZis

intrigebs ukavSirdebao. partiis

Tavmjdomared daniSvnis Semdeg

mas kobaxiZem namdvili omi

gamoucxada. gadadgomamde ramdenime

kviriT adre gaxarias ir-

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saparlamento umravlesoba daSalos

akli kobaxiZe da mamuka mdinaraZe

Sexvdnen. maT jer kidev premieris

postze myofs Tanamdebobis

datoveba mosTxoves. amaze

gaxariam uari Tqva da orives

agina.

„qarTul ocnebaSi” yvelam

icis, rom irakli kobaxiZes aranormalurad

unda premieris

postis dakaveba. gaxarias gadadgomis

Semdeg ocnebis asrulebasTan

axlos iyo, magram ivaniSvilma

masac magari triuki Cautara

_ mTavrobis meTaurad misi

Zveli mowinaaRmdege irakli

RaribaSvili waradgina. kobaxiZe

axla mas uTxris Zirs da uyuradRebod

arc gadamdgar gaxarias

tovebs. es ukanaskneli Tavisi

gundis dakompleqtebiT aris

dakavebuli.

„qronika+~-isTvis cnobili

gaxda, rom gaxaria TviTmmarTvelobis

arCevnebSi apirebs monawileobis

miRebas. mas partiisTvis

saxelic ki ar SeurCevia,

magram aqtiurad xvdeba merobis

SesaZlo kandidatebs. yofili

premieris gundSi gadasvlas bevri

meocnebe cdilobs. gansakuTrebuli

brdRvna samegrelos regionSia.

regionis municipalitetebis

meriisa da sakrebulos warmomadgenlebi

erTmaneTis miyolebiT

toveben „qarTul ocnebas”.

yofili premieri, ZiriTadad,

naTia mezvriSvilisa da maia cqitiSvilis

rCevebs iTvaliswinebs.

gaxarias uyvars sxvis dakrulze

siaruli. Sinagan saqmeTa ministrobis

dros is kaxa sabanaZis

karnaxiT moqmedebda. mis rCevebs,

albaT, axlac gaiTvaliswinebs.

sabanaZis gorulma klanma ukve

daiwyo eqspremieris partiaSi

gadabargeba. pirveli mercxali

giorgi xojevaniSvilia.

naTia mezvriSvili, maia cqitiSvili

da kidev ramdenime adamiani

gaxarias aCqarebisken mouwodeben.

mas umtkiceben, rom samegreloSi

arnaxuli mxardaWera

eqneba. ra gasakviria, rom is Tavis

mSobliur kuTxeSi uyvarT.

Tumca Tu bolo kvlevebs gadavxedavT,

masze mTel saqarTveloSi

ecemian, Turme. bolo gamokiTxvebiT,

is patriarqis Semdeg

yvelaze maRali ndobiT sargeblobs.

am reitingma mas frTa

Seasxa da saparlamento gunds

uTxra, „qarTuli ocneba” datoveTo.

maTac datoves partia da

opoziciur flangze ganlagdnen,

Tumca opoziciis araferi etyobaT.

aTeTreben 20 ivnisis Rames

da arc nika melia miaCniaT politpatimrad.

amas im nika meliaze

amboben, vis gamoc maTma liderma

premieris posti datova.

wesiT da rigiT, mmarTveli

partia irakli Ciqovansac unda

daetovebina. irakli alasanias

yofili Tanapartieli, romelic

2016 wels „qarTul ocnebas”

arCevnebis gayalbebis gamo gmobda,

giorgi gaxarias kadri gaxda.

yofili premieri bevrs ecada,

Ciqovani sagareo saqmeTa ministrad

daeniSna, magram amaSi ivaniSvilma

SeuSala xeli. „ocnebis”

Semqmnels Ciqovani ar esimpa-

N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.

Tiureba. man xom icis, ris sanacvlod

uaryo Ciqovanma alasania.

axla gaxariac uaryo. Tumca Tu

dainaxa, rom „ocnebis” saqmeebi

cudad midis, didi albaTobiT,

axali partiis kars miadgeba.

gundis dakompleqtebasTan

erTad gaxarias finansebic hqonda

mosazidi. rogorc CvenTvis

aris cnobili, man 2.5 milioni

iSova. es mTelma „qarTulma ocnebam”

icis. gaxarias dafinansebas

hpirdebian moskovSi mcxovrebi

qarTveli biznesmenebi.

marTalia, gaxaria opoziciur

flangze damkvidrebas Cqarobs,

magram biZina ivaniSvilTan dapirispirebas

mainc erideba.

„qarTuli ocnebis” Semqnels arc

misi gundis wevrebi akritikeben.

yofil premiers imedi aqvs, rom

ivaniSvilTan raRacebis dalagebas

SeZlebs.

albaT, imasac male gavigebT,

Tu ratom datova man sinamdvileSi

premieris Tanamdeboba.

giorgi gaxaria Tavidan mxars

uWerda nika melias dasakavebeli

operaciis Catarebas. arc partiis

ofisze Sturmis idea dauwunebia.

im diliT, roca nika melias

dakavebis operacia unda

dawyebuliyo, gaxariam Ss ministrs

uTxra, rom RonisZieba gaeuqmebina.

amaze gomelaurma uari

Tqva. maSin gaxaria daimuqra, rom

Tu Sss „nacionalebis” ofisze

daiwyebda Sturms, is pirdapir

eTerSi CaerTveboda da protestis

niSnad gadadgomis Sesaxeb

gaakeTebda gancxadebas. gomelaurma

operacia SeaCera. gaxaria

mainc gadadga. „ocnebaSi” dRemde

ar ician, ram miaRebina mas

`kobaxiZis gamo gaufuWda vasiko maRlaferiZes

urTierToba ivaniSvilTan. amis gamo

maRlaferiZem partiuli Tanamdeboba datova.

kobaxiZem gaagdebina ivaniSvils laSa

nacvliSvili. kobaxiZem gamoiyvana

wyobilebidan giorgi gaxaria da kobaxiZem

daapirispira ivaniSvili kaxa kalaZesTan~

aseTi gadawyvetileba.

aris aseTi mosazreba, rom

misTvis cnobili gaxda im provokaciis

Sesaxeb, rac nika melias

dakavebis operaciis dros unda

momxdariyo. 20 ivnisis sisxlSi

amosvrilma gaxariam zedmeti

sisxlis damateba aRar isurva da

procesebs gaerida.

sainteresoa, rom 20 ivnisis

wamoZaxeba dauwyo mas „qarTulma

ocnebam”. ase Tu gaagrZeles,

yofili premieri adgeba da

moyveba, vin gasca „gavrilovis

Rames” srolis dawyebis brZaneba.

es „qarTul ocnebaSi” kargad

ician. sazogadoebasac raRac eWvebi

aqvs, magram sul sxva efeqti

iqneba, roca amas gaxariasgan

movismenT.

samizne inaSvili

da rRveva opoziciaSi

irakli kobaxiZes „qarTul

ocnebaSi” datrialebuli intrigebi

ar akmayofilebs da

axla opoziciasac gadaswvda. es

adamiani, ZiriTadad, yofili xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebs

esxmis Tavs, magram axla misi

mTavari samizne irma inaSvili da

„patriotTa aliansia”. partia

„qarTuli ocnebis” liders

gadawyvetili aqvs, isini politikurad

gaanadguros.

ramdenime kviris win irakli

kobaxiZem partiis saTavo ofisis

foieSi sajarod daimuqra, rom

inaSvilsa da „patriotTa alianss”

gaanadgurebs. inaSvilze

alergia mas 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis Semdeg daewyo.

inaSvilma parlamentSi Sesvlaze

uari Tqva.

amaze gabrazebulma „ocnebis”

bosebma gadawyvites, rom „patriotTa

aliansi” CaaCoCon. mogexsenebaT,

es partia prorusulia

da eklesiurobaze aqvs pretenzia.

kobaxiZem moifiqra, misTvis

es mimarTuleba aexia. gadawyda,

rom politikur asparezze levan

vasaZes Semoiyvandnen, romelic

aseve prorusulia da sapatriarqosTan

daaxloebul piradac

miiCneva. jerjerobiT raindi

vasaZe ar Cans. rac Seexeba inaSvils,

is kobaxiZis muqaras mxolod

dumiliT pasuxobs. oRond es

dumili avismomaswavebelia.

saqmeebi arc danarCen opoziciaSi

midis kargad. marTalia,

ganxeTqilebas ar aRiareben, magram

opoziciuri erToba orad

aris gayofili. erT mxares arian

„evropuli saqarTvelo”, „lelo”

da „strategia aRmaSenebeli”,

meore mxares ki danarCeni

dgas. maT Soris mediatoris

rols gigi ugulava asrulebs.

man ramdenjerme ukve moaxerxa

situaciis ganmuxtva.

dapirispirebuli mxareebis

Serigeba cudad ar gamosdis, magram

Tavis partiaSi ver dalagda.

man ramdenime liderTan er-

Tad datova „evropuli saqarTvelo”.

masTan erTad partiidan

wamovidnen daviT baqraZe, givi

TargamaZe, levan TarxniSvili.

rogorc amboben, ugulava Sesa-

Zloa, „nacionalebis” rigebSi

vixiloT.

misgan gansxvavebiT politikur

procesebs gaemijna „evropuli

saqarTvelos” yofili Tavmjdomare

daviT baqraZe. es mosalodnelic

iyo. ar gagikvirdeT,

Tuki mas biZina ivaniSvilis siaxloves

aRmoaCenT. ramdenime Tvis

win man „ocnebis” Semqnels miswera,

rom mzad iyo, masTan eTanamSromla

da amisTvis partiasac

datovebda da politikasac. es

mokle teqsturi Setyobineba,

igive esemesi, mTel „qarTul ocnebas”

aqvs wakiTxuli.

biZina ivaniSvilma mas Tanam-

Sromloba pirvelad 2013 wels

SesTavaza. maSin qarTuli delegacia

strasburgSi imyofeboda.

ivaniSvili qveynis premier-ministri

iyo, daviT baqraZe ki saparlamento

umciresobis lideris

rangSi gaxldaT warmodgenili.

strasburgSi maT Soris sakmaod

xangrZlivi saubari Sedga.

es ambavi safrangeTSi mcxovrebma

qarTvelma Jurnalistma

giorgi fofxaZem gaasajarova.

amas didi wivil-kivili mohyva.

mere biZina ivaniSvilma mouTxro

ers, rom is didi xnis man-

Zilze cdilobda baqraZis darwmunebas,

raTa mas „nacionaluri

moZraoba” daetovebina. maSin

baqraZe, jer kidev, „nacmoZraobaSi”

iyo. es partia 2017 wlis

dasawyisSi datova da „nacionalebidan”

wamosul sxva liderebTan

erTad „evropuli saqarTvelo”

Seqmna. rogorc amboben,

maSin am partiis Seqmnis mizani

„nacmoZraobis” daSla iyo, Tumca

ar gamovida. „evropuli saqarTvelo”

ki liderebisgan daicala.

am partias daemarTa is,

rac, Tavis droze, maT „nacionalebs

gauCaliCes”.

„qronika+”-isTvis cnobili

gaxda, rom daviT baqraZis msgavsad

ivaniSvilis orbitaze

moxvedras cdilobs giorgi margvelaSvili.

saqarTvelos meoTxe

prezidenti bolo xanebSi xelisuflebis

sawinaaRmdego gancxadebebs

aRar akeTebs. mas da

giorgi kvirikaSvils mcdeloba

hqondaT, „lelosTan” gamoenaxaT

saerTo ena. etyoba, ar gamovida,

radgan kvirikaSvilma gaxariasTan

scada komunikaciis damyareba,

xolo margvelaSvilma

biZina ivaniSvils miswera mesiji

sadac saubrobs, rom masTan

surs TanamSromloba.

ivaniSvilTan vera, magram mis

partiasTan TanamSromloba moaxerxa

„girCebis” ganayofma. maT

parlamentSi Sesvla gadawyvites.

Tumca Tqves, rom jer mxolod

derefanSi viqnebiTo. aRsaniSnavia,

rom sanam Sesvlis gadawyvetilebas

miiRebdnen, arCil TalakvaZisgan

moiTxoves garantiebi.

garantiebi imisa, rom „ocneba”

maT elisaSviliviT ar gaaban-

Zebs. TalakvaZe dahpirda, Cemi

mxridan es safrTxe ar gemuqrebaTo,

saerTo partiuli xel-

Seuxeblobis garantiebi ki

kobaxiZisgan unda miiRoTo. dRes

kobaxiZe wyvets, vin unda gaaban-

Zos mmarTvelma partiam. etyoba,

es garantiebi miiRes, radgan parlamentSi

Sevidnen.

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`parlamentSi derefnis

saqarTveloSi arsebuli poli-

Sorena marsagiSvili

tikuri krizisi dasavleTs ufro

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awuxebs, vidre Cvens politikosebs.

xelisufleba krizisis arse-

bobas saerTod ar aRiarebs. samoqalaqo aqtivist kaxa miqaias

azriT, krizisis arseboba xelisuflebis bralia, Tumca igi

pasuxismgeblobas opoziciasac akisrebs. misi TqmiT, dasavle-

Tis CarTuloba rom ara, am viTarebiT ruseTi isargeblebda.

mas imedi aqvs, rom es krizisi daiZleva. amasTan, ar gamoricx-

avs, „ocnebam” parlamentSi umravlesoba dakargos.

kaxa miqaia:

`qarTuli

ratom sjobs quCis opozicia

derefnis opozicias? visi bralia

qveyanaSi arsebuli krizisi?

ratom ar Seesabameba gaxarias

reitings misi gundi? Cae-

reva Tu ara Cvens saSinao

saqmeebSi ruseTi? ratom daiw-

yo partiebis rRveva? _ am Temebis

Sesaxeb kaxa miqaia „qron-

ika+~-s esaubreba.

_ batono kaxa, „ocnebasa” da

opozicias Soris arsebul da-

pirispirebaze ras fiqrobT?

opoziciam imdenjer gadado

saprotesto aqcia, rom sazogadoebis

nawili eWvobs, es dapir-

ispireba rame politikuri

speqtakli xom ar aris? Tqvenc

xom ar gaqvT igive gancda?

_ es namdvilad ar gaxlavT

speqtakli. axla mtyuan-marTlis

garkvevis dro ar aris. dRes

mTavari sazrunavi isaa, rom saqarTveloSi

politikuri situacia

ar airios da es ruseTma

Tavis sasargeblod ar gamoiyenos.

es arc evropasa da amerikas

unda, amitom Cveni dasavleli

partniorebi cdiloben, rom

aq politikuri stabiluroba

iyos. am konteqstSi rogor moiqceva

an xelisufleba an opozicia,

amas mimavali gvaCvenebs.

_ e. i. Tqven eWvi ar geparebaT,

rom umravlesoba-opozicias

Soris namdvilad aris da-

pirispireba?

_ dapirispireba rogor ar

aris? _ erT mxaresac Tavisi

politikuri interesebi aqvs da

_ meoresac. is namdvilad

sasaciloa, rom isini erTmaneTs

xalxisa da saxelmwifos interesebis

gamo upirispirdebian.

saqme gvaqvs piradi politikuri

interesebis gamo arsebul dapirispirebasTan,

romelsac Sei-

Zleba qveynis stabiluroba da

politikuri interesebi Seewiros.

es safrTxe dasavleTs

kargad esmis da amitom cdilobs,

aq viTareba daastabiluros.

araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar

unda davuSvaT, rom am dapirispirebiT

ruseTma isargeblos.

_ am situaciaSi romeli

ufro scodavs, „qarTuli ocneba”

Tu boikotis reJimSi my-

ofi opozicia?

_ aq orive mxare scodavs.

politikuri krizisi xelisuflebis

mier aris Seqmnili. rac

Seexeba opozicias, man SeinarCuna

erTianoba da amdeni xani ga-

Zlo boikotis reJimSi. axla

gadawyvetilebis miRebis dro

dadga. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi,

dapirispirebam SeiZleba, Zalian

cudi saxe miiRos. es rom ar

moxdes, orive mxare unda dasxdes

molaparakebebis magidasTan.

rac male moxdeba es,

miT ukeTesi iqneba qveynisTvis.

_ molaparakebebis magi-

dasTan ramdenjerme dasxdnen,

magram maTi yvela Sexvedra

uSedegod dasrulda.

_ me Sedegian molaparakebebs

vgulisxmob. maTi Sexvedrebi

kasparov-karpovis partiasaviT

ramdenime Tve ar unda gagr-

Zldes.

_ aqac Tveebia, rac molapar-

akebebi midis...

_ Cvens politikosebs ar aqvT

imis fufuneba, kidev ramdenime

Tve gaataron molaparakebebis

magidasTan. saswrafod unda

daidos raRac Sedegi. saxelmwifo

interesebi erTma mxaremac

unda gaiTvaliswinos da _

meoremac. amaSi dasavleTi

Zalian gvexmareba. imedi maqvs,

rom maTi CarTulobiT da mediaciiT

sasurveli Sedegi miiRweva.

kidev erTxel vityvi da sxva

drosac gavimeoreb, rom Cven ar

unda davuSvaT, am dapirispirebiT

ruseTma isargeblos. ruse-

Ti yovelTvis cdilobda, rom

saqarTveloSi destabilizacia

Seeqmna. amas axlac cdilobs da

momavalSic ecdeba. moskovi

Zalian kmayofili iqneba, Tu aq

areuloba daiwyeba. am dapirispirebaSi

orive mxare scodavs.

qveynis interesebidan gamomdinare

es dapirispireba unda

dasruldes. dasavleTis mediaciiTa

da CarTulobiT unda

davasruloT es politikuri

krizisi. politikuri krizisis

pirobebSi qveynis ganviTareba

warmoudgenelia.

_ aris qveyanaSi politikuri

krizisi? „qarTuli ocneba”

acxadebs, rom saqarTveloSi

politikuri krizisi ar aris.

_ xelisufleba ras ityvis, ar

mainteresebs, saxezea aSkara politikuri

krizisi. 21-e saukuneSi

erTpartiuli parlamentis

arseboba anomaliaa. rodesac

erTpartiuli parlamenti gyavs,

es imas niSnavs, rom qveyanaSi

politikuri krizisia.

_ aRar aris es parlamenti

erTpartiuli. ramdenime opoz-

iciuri Zalis warmomadgeneli

Sevida iq da maT miyvnen „gir-

Cebic”.

_ „girCebis” Tema CemTvis gansakuTrebulia.

maTma erT-erTma

liderma, vaxtang megreliSvilma,

ganacxada, parlamentis

derefanSi davelodebi Cems

opozicioner kolegebso. „gir-

Cebi”, „moqalaqeebi” da „patriotTa

aliansidan” wamosulebi

Tu parlamentSi derefanSi

dasajdomad Sevidnen, es sxva

saqmea. isini Tavad aRiareben,

rom derefnis opozicia arian.

derefnis opozicia racaa da

rogoricaa, amaze ar gavagr-

Zeleb saubars. amas quCis

opozicioneroba sjobs.

opoziciis nawili quCaSia,

nawili parlamentis koridorSi,

politikuri krizisi meti ki

araferia. xelisuflebam keTili

unda inebos da gaiTvaliswinos

opoziciis moTxovnebi. opoziciamac

unda daTmos poziciebi,

oRond ara qveynisa da xalxis

interesebis xarjze. mxolod ase

SevZlebT politikuri krizisis

ganmuxtvas. rogorc vatyob,

amas dasavleTis daxmarebis

gareSe ver gavakeTebT. maT

CarTulobas Zalian did mniSvnelobas

vaniWeb. imedi maqvs,

rom isini politikur Zalebs

erTmaneTTan Searigeben.

_ parlamentSi Sesul opozi-

cias derefnis opozicias uwodebT.

ras fiqrobT gaopozi-

cionerebul

meocnebeebze?

gasul kviras 6 kanonmdebeli

ganqocda da opoziciad gamo-

acxada Tavi.

_ gaxarias xalxi cota sxva

ès aris bunebrivi procesi. rodesac qveyanaSi

politikuri krizisia da opozicia parlaments

boikots ucxadebs, maSin partiebs SigniT iwyeba

duRili, rasac rRveva da gadaadgilebebi

mosdevs. rogorc ukve giTxariT, es bunebrivi

procesia da amaSi anomaliurs verafers

vxedav. opoziciis rRvevaze ratom vamaxvilebT

yuradRebas, roca xelisufleba daiSala? Cemi

azriT, xelisuflebis daSla ufro saintereso

ambavia~

ocneba~

iSleba~

Temaa. Tqven kargad mogexsenebaT,

Tu ra damokidebuleba

maqvs yofili premieris mimarT.

gaxaria bevrs moswons, bevrs _

ara. am adamianis misamarTiT

aris da momavalSic iqneba uxerxuli

kiTxvebi. is pasuxismgebelia

imaze, rac bolo period-

Si saqarTveloSi xdeboda. amaze

pasuxismgeblobas gaxaria ver

gaeqceva, is am qveynis premieri

iyo. sazogadoebis ganwyoba da

gamokiTxvebi sul sxva rameze

metyvelebs. am adamians aqvs realuri

reitingi.

_ cota ucnauria, magram gax-

arias Zalian maRali reitingi

aqvs.

_ politikur situacias raki

vafasebT, realuri mdgomareobidan

gamovideT. yofil premiers

dRes yvelaze maRali reitingi

aqvs.

_ yvelaze maRali reitingi

yofil premiers ar aqvs, yvelaze

maRali ndobiT patriar-

qi sargeblobs.

_ patriarqi sxva ambavia da

mas amaSi nu gavrevT, mxolod

politikosebze visaubroT.

politikur liderebs Soris

yvelaze maRali reitingi aqvs

yofil premiers. amas veravin

versad wauva da es Cven unda

miviRoT, rogorc mocemuloba.

_ sainteresoa, ramden xans

gastans es maRali reitingi?

_ rogori politikuri momavali

eqneba, es yvelaferi

damokidebulia masze. jer

aravis uxilavs, rogoria gaxaria

opoziciaSi. man reitingi xelisuflebaSi

yofnis dros

akrifa. misi reitingi mas Semdeg

gaizarda, rac premieris posti

datova.

_ mis gunds davubrundeT,

ras fiqrobT masze?

_ vusmine gaxarias Tanagundelebis

ramdenime satelevizio

gamosvlas. pirdapir getyviT,

gaxarias reitingTan mimarTebiT

misi gundi Zalian sustad gamoiyureba.

_ mokled rom vTqvaT, ar

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opozicia Sevida~

mogewonaT misi gundi.

_ Sesafaseblad sityvac ki

ver movnaxe. yofili premieris

maRali reitingi da misi gundi

Zalian acdenilebi arian erTmaneTTan.

susti gundi hyavs gaxarias.

es adamianebi wlebia, xelisuflebaSi

imyofebodnen da

gamocdileba ar akliaT, magram

Zalian sustebi gamoCndnen. Sei-

Zleba, momavalSi sakuTari sityva

Tqvan. gaxarias politikaSi

Semosvlamde misi es gundi sazogadoebaze

did STabeWdilebas

ver moaxdens.

_ am SemTxvevaSi xom sapar-

lamento gundze vsaubrobT?

_ maTze vsaubrob. es gundi

STambeWdavi namdvilad ar aris.

awi vin eyoleba, vnaxoT.

_ amboben, rom samegrelos

regionis meriebidan xalxi mas-

Tan garbiso. Cxorowyus meris

mejvarec gaxarias banakSi gada-

sula.

_ masTan gadasvlis procesi

dawyebulia da amas yvelam unda

gausworos Tvali. yofil premierTan

sxvebic gadavlen. es

imas ar niSnavs, rom mas kargi

gundi eyoleba da maRal reitings

dadebs.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom maRal

reitings ver dadebs? man xom

erTxel ukve dado maRali re-

itingi?

_ es reitingi gaxariam xelisuflebaSi

yofnis dros

akrifa. erTia, roca Sen xar xelisuflebaSi

da xelisufleba

gimagrebs zurgs; meorea, roca

xar opozicioneri da upirispirdebi

xelisuflebas. opoziciaSi

gadasvlisas gamoCndeba

misi simwife. amitom ar vCqarob

Sefasebebis gakeTebas. isic ki

ar vici, ra xalxs Semoikrebs

garSemo da ra pozicias daikavebs.

axla saxeze mxolod misi

maRali reitingia. misi gundi ar

akmayofilebs moTxovnebs. giorgi

gaxarias gundis mier „qarTuli

ocnebis” datovebam, vfiqrob,

kidev ufro gazarda sazogadoebaSi

mesame politikuri centris

Seqmnis survili da, Sesabamisad,

molodini. marTalia,

gaxarias gundis wevrebis begraundi,

samwuxarod, STambeWdavi

namdvilad ar aris, magram

Tavad gaxarias persona, miuxedavad

mis mimarT arsebuli uxerxuli

SekiTxvebisa, uciloblad

iwvevs sazogadoebis interess...

mimaCnia, rom misi, rogorc

politikuri lideris, warmatebis

formula mainc biZina

ivaniSvilis gavlenebisgan distancirebasa

da Tu saWiro gaxda,

masTan mkveTr dapirispirebaSia.

swored damoukideblobis

xarisxi iqneba ganmsazRvreli

politikaSi misi warmatebisa Tu

warumateblobis.

_ rogorc amboben, yofili

premieri ZiriTad gaTvlas

samegreloze akeTebs. aq mas xe-

lisufleba vis daupirispirebs,

ediSer Toloraias?

`ruseTi yovelTvis cdilobda, rom saqarTveloSi destabilizacia Seeqmna.

amas axlac cdilobs da momavalSic ecdeba. moskovi Zalian kmayofili iqneba,

Tu aq areuloba daiwyeba~

_ ediSer Toloraiaze roca

saubrobT, xumrobT, ara? am

kiTxvis dasma cota araseriozulia.

_ ratom aris es kiTxva

araseriozuli? ediSer Tolo-

raia samegreloSi „ocnebis”

lideria.

_ meti konkurenti Tu ver

gamounaxa „ocnebam” gaxarias,

kargad yofila magaTi saqme.

_ ara mgonia, „ocnebaSi”

ediSer Toloraiaze bevrad

ukeTesebi iyvnen.

_ ZiriTadad erTnairebi ari-

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an, magram Toloraia nametania.

samegreloSi gaxariasTan dapirispirebaSi

„qarTuli ocneba”

ganwirulia. amis Tqma axlave

SemiZlia.

_ im SemTxvevaSic ganwir-

ulia „ocneba”, Tu Toloraias

sxva falavniT Caanacvlebs?

_ Toloraia falavnad migaCniaT?

_ SeveSvaT Toloraias da

opoziciaSi mimdinare proces-

ebze visaubroT: ramdenime Tvis

win grigol vaSaZe „nacionaluri

moZraobis” Tavmjdomar-

`Sesafaseblad sityvac ki ver movnaxe. yofili

premieris maRali reitingi da misi gundi

Zalian acdenilebi arian erTmaneTTan. susti

gundi hyavs gaxarias. es adamianebi wlebia,

xelisuflebaSi imyofebodnen da gamocdileba

ar akliaT, magram Zalian sustebi gamoCndnen~

eobidan gadadga. axla daviT

baqraZem datova „evropuli

saqarTvelos” Tavmjdomareoba.

partiidan sxva liderebic wam-

ovidnen. es ucnaurad ar

geCvenebaT?

_ amaSi gansakuTrebulsa da

ucnaurs verafers vxedav. es

aris bunebrivi procesi. rodesac

qveyanaSi politikuri krizisia

da opozicia parlaments

boikots ucxadebs, maSin partiebs

SigniT iwyeba duRili, rasac

rRveva da gadaadgilebebi mosdevs.

rogorc ukve giTxariT, es

bunebrivi procesia da amaSi

anomaliurs verafers vxedav.

opoziciis rRvevaze ratom

vamaxvilebT yuradRebas, roca

xelisufleba daiSala? Cemi

azriT, xelisuflebis daSla

ufro saintereso ambavia.

_ xelisufleba daiSala?

raze etyoba, rom daiSala?

_ is, rac xdeba, daSla ar

aris? mas Semdeg, rac gaxariam

premieris posti protestis ni-

Snad datova, „qarTuli ocnebis”

rRveva daiwyo. misma gundma

saparlamento umravlesoba datova.

„ocnebas” 84 deputati

darCa. kidev ramdenime kaci rom

wamovides, „qarTul ocnebas”

parlamentSi umravlesoba aRar

eyoleba. amas mohyveba saparlamento

krizisi.

_ aqamde jer kidev Soria.

_ bevrs arc is egona, gaxaria

premierobidan rom gadadgeboda.

gadadga da axla ramdenime

kacic Tu wamovida „ocnebidan”,

saparlamento umravlesoba

daiSleba.

_ qarTul politikaSi yve-

laferi mosula da SesaZloa, es

danaklisi „ocnebas” parlamentSi

Sesulma opoziciam Seuvsos.

maTgan yvelafers velode-

bi. Tqven amas gamoricxavT?

_ ar gamovricxav. rogorc

Tqven TqviT, qarTul politika-

Si yvelaferi SeiZleba moxdes.

dRes rogorc „qarTul ocneba-

Si”, aseve opoziciaSi krizisia.

esac miuTiTebs imaze, rom qveyanaSi

politikuri krizisia, rac

male unda dasruldes. Cvens

politikur Zalebs am krizisis

damoukideblad ganmuxtva ar

SeuZliaT, amitom CaerTnen mis

ganmuxtvaSi dasavleli partniorebi.

_ dasavleli partniorebi

partiebs SigniT arsebul kriz-

iss ver moagvareben.

_ amas arc ecdebian. ama Tu

im partiaSi krizisis mogvareba

maT ar exebaT. maTi sazrunavia,

rom aq politikuri krizisi

aRar iyos. partiebis SigniT

situaciac mas Semdeg mogvardeba,

rac saqarTvelo arsebul

politikur kriziss daZlevs.

vimeoreb: partiebis rRveva da

partiuli krizisi gamowveulia

qveyanaSi arsebuli politikuri

krizisidan.

_ politikuri krizisis da-

Zleva partiebs SigniT situa-

cias rogor daawynarebs?

_ daawynarebs, daawynarebs.

qveyanaSi simSvide iyos da partiebSi

krizisi Seiqmnas, aseTi

ram ar xdeba. politikuri krizisi

bevr problemas qmnis, is yvelanairi

krizisis mizezi xdeba.

krizisia rogorc partiebSi,

aseve _ ekonomikaSi. krizisia

pandemiis marTvaSi. mosaxleobas

Zalian gauWirda. qveyanaSi umZimesi

socialuri viTarebaa. saSinlad

imata kriminalma

_ bankis bolo damyaCaRebe-

lic samegrelodan iyo da es

megrelebi ras erCiT

„saqarTvelos banks”?

_ ar vici. esec, etyoba, badri

esebuas gavlenaa. is xom „saqar-

Tvelos bankSi” Sevarda. es xumrobiT.

ise, kriminals roca vaxsenebT,

saxumarod marTla ar

gvaqvs saqme. yovelgvari gada-

Warbebis gareSe getyviT, rom

dRes saqarTveloSi kriminali

yvavis. mis ayvavebaSi „qarTulma

ocnebam” didi wvlili Seitana.

_ davakonkretoT, ra wvlili

Seitana „qarTulma ocnebam”

kriminalis ayvavebaSi?

_ dRes kriminali pirdapir

Serwymulia xelisuflebasTan,

amitomac gaifurCqna ase. xelisufleba

kriminalebTan Sekruli

rom ar iyos, aseTi mZime kriminogenuri

viTareba ar gveqneboda.

_ netav, ekonomikac ise rom

ayvavebuliyo, rogorc krimina-

li yvavis, Cveni saqme kargad

iqneboda.

_ aq, samwuxarod, mxolod

kriminali gaifurCqna. kriminalis

zrdis erT-erTi mizezi arsebuli

politikuri krizisia. es

krizisi saswrafod unda ganimuxtos,

Torem erT dRes amas

ruseTi marTla Tavis sasargeblod

gamoiyenebs, Tu ukve ar

iyenebs. umravlesobamac da opoziciamac

unda gamonaxon saer-

To da parlamentma ramenairad

daiwyos muSaoba. namdvil

muSaobas vgulisxmob. erTpartiuli

parlamenti parlamenti

ar aris. mTavrobam normalur

pirobebSi Tu ver SeZlo muSaoba,

Cven bolos miviRebT kolafss.

am kolafsis winaaRmdegi namdvilad

var.

xelisuflebac da opoziciac

xedaven, rom qveyana kolafsisken

midis. imedi maqvs, dasavleTis

CarTulobiT saerTo

enis gamonaxvas moaxerxeben.

11

yofil premier giorgi

gaxarias gundis wevrebma

„qarTuli ocneba” datoves.

maT parlamentSi opoziciisTvis

gankuTvnili savar-

Zlebi daikaves. gaxariasa da

misi gundis am nabijis naklebad

sjeraT boikotis re-

JimSi myof opozicionerebs.

leiboristuli partiis erT-

erTi lideri, giorgi gugava,

fiqrobs, rom es ivaniSvilis

morigi triukia, rom-

liTac oligarqs surs, rom

umravlesobac misi iyos da

_ opoziciac.

SeZlebs Tu ara opozicia

xalxis nihilizmidan gamoyvan-

as? miva Tu ara vadamdel

arCevnebamde saqme? apireben

Tu ara axlad gaopozicionerebulebTan

TanamSromlo-

bas? _ amis Sesaxeb giorgi

gugava „qronika+~-s esaubreba:

_ rac politikaSi xarT, sul

opoziciaSi mogiwiaT yofna da

kargad iciT yvela xelisufa-

lis naTeli Tu bneli mxare.

Tqvenc iziarebT kolegebis

nawilis mosazrebas, rom aseTi

saSineli xelisufleba saqar-

Tvelos jer ar hyolia?

_ damoukideblobis mopovebis

Semdeg aseTi antisaxelmwifoebrivi

Zala qveynis saTaveSi

ar yofila. „qarTuli ocnebis”

winamorbedma xelisuflebebma

saqarTvelos istoriaSi dadebiTi

rolic iTamaSes da _ uaryofiTic.

amaTze mxolod uaryofiTi

SegviZlia vTqvaT. yvelaze

cudi iciT, ra aris? _

„qarTulma ocnebam” nihilizmi

gaaCina Cveni qveynis, saxelmwifoebriobisa

da momavlis mimarT.

dRes Cveni sazogadoeba ase

fiqrobs, rom saqarTvelos

aRaraferi eSveleba.

ivaniSvili xelisuflebaSi

mosvlamde 100 qarxnis aSenebas

dagvpirda. amis nacvlad trolebis

qarxana Seqmna, romelic

qveyanaSi siZulvils aRvivebs

da xels uwyobs sazogadoebis

polarizebas. igive trolebi

aCenen gancdas, rom am qveynisgan

araferi gamova. amitom garbis

xalxi saqarTvelodan Tavqudmoglejili.

es undobloba

saxelmwifosa da momavlis mimarT

yvelaferSi gamoixateba.

saxelmwifoebrioba, pirvel

rigSi, aris fsiqologiuri er-

Toba. es gancda Tu daikarga,

xalxma Tu dainaxa, rom samarTali

aRar aris, rom misi unarebis

Sesabamisad daimkvidrebs

adgils, Tu dainaxa, rom ver

miiRebs ganaTlebas, ar eqneba

samsaxuri, ar eqneba Rirseuli

jandacva, momavlis ideas dakargavs

da saxelmwifoebriobis

gancdac gauqreba. es idea Tu

mokvda, saxelmwifo ver Sedgeba.

am situaciaSi Cven SeiZleba,

samSobloc ki davkargoT. Cemi

azriT, saqarTvelos moqalaqeebs

axla gamoRviZebisa da fexze

dadgomis ukanaskneli Sansi

gveZleva. ganviTarebis perspeqtivis

dasabruneblad mTeli

qveyana fexze unda davdgeT.

_ qveyanaSi marTla nihilizmia

gamefebuli. xalxs araf-

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`gaxarias gundisgan

giorgi gugava:

`damoukideblobis

mopovebis Semdeg

aseTi

antisaxelmwifoebrivi

Zala qveynis saTaveSi

ar yofila~

erze aqvs reaqcia. aseT dros

eris fexze dadgoma rTulad

warmosadgenia.

_ sxva gamosavali ar aris.

sxvanairad es qveyana daiRupeba.

rac meti dro gava, ivaniSvili

kidev met nihilizms gaa-

Cens, xalxs kidev ufro mwvaved

daapirispirebs erTmaneTTan.

amisTvis Seqmna trolebisa da

botebis saSineli qarxana. isini

zizRisa da borotebis kultivacias

ewevian. es Cveulebrivi

kanalizaciaa. sxvas verafers

vuwodeb im sibinZures, rasac

isini anTxeven. am nihilizmze

dgas dRes oligarqis xelisufleba.

es unda davZlioT.

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi davkargavT

samSoblos. rasac axla

rusi oligarqi akeTebs, amas

qveynis okupacia bevrad sjobs.

_ okupacia ranairad sjobs?

_ sjobs, sjobs! okupacia da

gare agresia ers aerTianebs,

xalxi poulobs Zalas, fexze

dgeba da okupaciisgan Tavisufldeba.

ivaniSvilma ki moaxerxa

da Tavisi sibinZureebiT

Cveni qveynis mZevlad ayvana

moaxerxa. Cvens sazogadoebas

ukve sjera, rom qarTveli aris

warumatebeli da saqarTvelo,

rogorc warmatebuli qveyana,

ver Sedgeba. amis propaganda

udidesi borotebaa. nihilizmi

rogorme unda davZlioT.

_ es, pirvel erigSi, opoz-

iciam unda gaakeTos. SeZlebT

xalxis nihilizmidan gamoyvan-

as?

_ opoziciaze bevri ramea

damokidebuli. Cvenc maqsimalurad

vcdilobT, rom xalxi

nihilizmidan gamoviyvanoT.

Sedegis miRweva Tu gvinda, kidev

meti unda gavakeToT. xalxma

unda icodes, rom dRes „ocnebasa“

da opozicias Soris ar

aris konfliqti. rac dRes qveyanaSi

xdeba, es aris brZola Cveni

momavlisTvis. axla sazogadoeba,

samSoblo, qveyana, saxelmwifo

aris safrTxis qveS. amas

yvelani Tu gaviazrebT, mivxvdebiT,

rom quCaSi gamosvla

aucilebelia, radgan es samSoblo

yvelas ekuTvnis. Cvens adgilebze

unda gamoviCinoT principuloba

da brZolisunarianoba.

roca mivxvdebiT, Tu ra

seriozul gansacdelSia saxelmwifo,

Zalian male da iolad

davamarcxebT Tixis fexebze

mdgar goliaTs.

_ Tixis fexebze mdgari eZa-

xeT da masTan brZola jer

Zalian giWirT. yvelaferi ise

midis, rogorc xelisuflebas

unda.

_ gviWirs, magram marto

opozicias _ ara. am goliaTTan

brZola yvelas gviWirs. am

borotebis damarcxeba aris

rogorc politikosebis, aseve

sxva profesiis warmomadgenlebis

saqme. es yvelam kargad

unda gaviazroT da quCaSi gamovideT.

politikuri simpaTiebi

da antipaTiebi arCevnebze,

saarCevno yuTTan gamovxatoT.

_ arCevnebio, TqviT da zogierTi

opozicioneris ms-

gavsad Tqvenc SeegueT imas,

rom Semdegi arCevnebi 2024

wels Catardeba?

_ arafers SevguebivarT arc

me da arc Cemi partia. 2024

wlamde „qarTuli ocnebis” xelisuflebaSi

datoveba rogorc

SeiZleba?! 2024 wlamde

eseni Tu darCnen, saxelmwifo

CamoiSleba. Cven amasTan Seguebas

ar vapirebT. arCevnebi Catardeba

2024 wlamde bevrad adre.

gamosavali aris vadamdeli arCevnebi,

morCa da gaTavda! am situacias

sxva veraferi ganmuxtavs.

arsebuli mZime kriminogenuri

viTarebidan da ekonomikuri

siduxWiridan mxolod

vadamdeli arCevnebi Tu gamogviyvans.

sxva yvelafers rom Tavi

davaneboT, xalxi damSeulia.

amis atana ukve SeuZlebelia.

_ „qarTul ocnebaSi” sulac

ar fiqroben, rom am qveynis

moqalaqeebi ukiduress gaWir-

vebaSi arian da SimSiloben.

_ raSi mainteresebs, „qarTul

ocnebaSi” ras fiqroben?!

msoflio bankis gamoqveynebuli

statistikis Tanaxmad, Cveni

800.000 moqalaqe ukiduress

siduxWireSi imyofeba. isini

elementarulad ver ikvebebian.

ra namusiT amboben, rom xalxs

ar uWirs? Tavis droze, giorgi

kvirikaSvili am sababiT ar

gaagdes? magaT SeiZleba daaviwydaT.

samagierod, Cven vimaxs-

`germaniaSi kartofilis moTxraze Tu

satacuris mokrefaze vakansia gamocxadda da

100.000 kacma Seavso ganacxadi. amis mere es

qveyanaa? amisTvis gvindoda damoukidebloba?

amisTvis vibrZodiT?~

ovrebT yvelafers.

_ es oficialuri mizezi

iyo. rogorc amboben, sul sxva

ramis gamo gauSves giorgi

kvirikaSvili.

_ kvirikaSvili imitom gaagdes,

rom ase mounda ivaniSvils,

magram maSin sajarod aRiares,

rom qveyanaSi xalxs uWirda.

_ amis aRiarebaSi maSin maT

„iunisefis“ kvleva daexmara.

_ uamravi organizacia atarebs

kvlevebs da debs daskvnebs,

rom saqarTveloSi xalxi SimSilobs,

magram es ar adardebT.

saqarTveloSi gvyavs 10.000 ise-

Ti bavSvi, romelsac skolaSi

saerTod ar uvlia. romel sazogadoebaze,

saxelmwifosa da

xelisuflebaze melaparakebiT?!

es aris katastrofa!

60.000-s miaRwia statusSe-

Cerebuli studentebis raodenobam.

isini saswavleblebidan

imitom gaoyares, rom swavlis

safasuris gadaxdis SesaZlebloba

ar gaaCniaT. amiT momaval

Taobas perspeqtivas vuklavT.

germaniaSi kartofilis

moTxraze Tu satacuris mokrefaze

vakansia gamocxadda da

100.000 kacma Seavso ganacxadi.

amis mere es qveyanaa? amisTvis

gvindoda damoukidebloba?

amisTvis vibrZodiT? marTalia,

maSin bavSvi viyavi, magram rogorc

yvela Cemi Tanatoli, mec

raRacnairad gaxldiT CarTuli

am procesebSi.

Cven da Cvens winaprebs imisTvis

ar gvibrZolia, rom es

qveyana CamoSliliyo da Cvens

axalgazrdebs momavlis rwmena

ar hqonodaT. amis yureba da

atana ukve SeuZlebelia. xalxi

cal-cali kaloSiT movida parlamentSi

da axla sra-sasaxleebi

udgaT. Tavad uzarmazari

xelfasebi ar akmayofilebT da

aqeT dagvcinian kidec. utifari

eliso bolqvaZe gamodis da ambobs,

gaWirveba parizSic aris

da xalxi iqac iqeqeba nagavSio.

am qalbatons is daaviwyda, rom

safrangeTSi aseT adamianebs

TveSi 800 evro eZlevaT daxmarebis

saxiT.

_ saeWvoa, ar icodes eliso

bolqvaZem, rom iq nagavSi

kloSarebi iqeqebian, romlebic

Tavisi nebiT irCeven aseT cx-

ovrebas da maTi fenomeni

dRemde amouxsnelia.

_ ramdenad gulqva unda iyo

adamiani, aseTi Sedareba rom

gaakeTo. mas gaWirvebuli adamianebis

mimarT aranairi TanagrZnoba

ar gaaCnia.

_ xelovani adamianebi ufro

gulCvilebi arian xolme da

bolqvaZe ki gaWirvebulebis

mimarT, ratomRac, uaryofiTi

damokidebulebiT gamoirCva.

_ aseTi adamianebi arc xelovnebaSi

uqnia RmerTs da arc

_ politikaSi. rogor SeiZleba,

aseTi araadekvaturi da gulqva

adamianebis xelSi iyos Cveni

bedi?! imasac ki ar amboben, bevri

unda vimuSaoT, rom es gaWi-

12 N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.

rveba daiZlioso. amas arc gaifiqreben.

iciT, rogori gancda

aqvT gaWirvebulebis mimarT? _

CaZaRlebulan! ase epyrobian

adamianebs da Cven, Turme, amaT

unda veloliavoT. veloliavoT

ki ara, droa, yvelafers

Tavisi saxeli davarqvaT.

_ eliso bolqvaZe ase rom

laparakobs, es aris sazoga-

doebis brali. man aseTi tipis

gancxadeba adrec gaakeTa. mis

pirvelive gancxadebaze xalxs

saTanado reaqcia rom hqono-

da, is amdens ver gabedavda.

sazogadoebam moiTmina da

bolqvaZisgan morigi sila mi-

iRo.

_ pirvel rigSi, xalxis bralia.

aseT gancxadebebs ase ar

unda vutarebdeT xelisuflebis

warmomadgenlebs. ivaniSvilis

gancxadebac saTanado reagirebis

gareSe davtoveT. am

dros rusma oligarqma bevrad

uaresi ram gviTxra, vidre _

eliso bolqvaZem.

_ misi bevri araadekvaturi

gancxadeba gavatareT. Tqven

konkretulad romels gulisx-

mobT?

_ kacma pirdapir gviTxra, am

qveyanas ganviTarebis perspeqtiva

ar aqvs da sazRvargareT

wadiT samuSaodo. es rom romelime

evropuli qveynis liders

eTqva, xalxi meore dRes SturmiT

aiRebda mis sasaxles. Cven

es gadavylapeT da mere nuRar

gvikvirs, viRac eliso bolqvaZeebi

aseT rameebs rom amboben.

ar SeiZleba, Tavmoyvareoba

raRac samuSao adgilebze

da kartofilze gavcvaloT.

sajaro moxeleebi xom saerTod

monebad aqcies. erT TiTs dauqneven

da sadac dasWirdebaT, iq

waiyvanen mitingze. amuSaveben

koordinatorebad da gamyalbeblebad.

bolo 30 welia, am qveyanaSi

neoliberaluri ideologia mZvinvarebs.

glexsa da aznaurebs

Soris saqarTveloSi didi qonebrivi

gansxvaveba arasdros yofila.

ase Tu ise arsebobda socialuri

Tanasworoba. axla ra-

Rac saSineleba xdeba. Cvenma mosaxleobam

unda gaiTavisos,

rom es sikeTeebi ekuTvnis ara

oligarqebsa da finansur jgufebs,

aramed _ maT. socialuri

simdidre unda moxmardes adamianebs.

sanam amas ar mivaRwevT,

mudmivad gaWirvebaSi viqnebiT.

_ amis gakeTeba Tu gindaT,

maSin xelisufleba unda SecvaloT.

xelisuflebis Sesacvlelad

arCevnebia saWiro. va-

damdeli arCevnebi iqneba?

_ rogor ar iqneba? vadamdeli

arCevnebis gareSe warmoudgenelia.

TavSic giTxariT, rom

2024 wlamde amaTi datoveba ar

SeiZleba _ saxelmwifos mTlianad

CamoSlian.

_ erTi periodi dasavleTi

Zalian didi doziT gvaqcevda

yuradRebas. axla es yuradRe-

ba TiTqos minelda. Tqvenc am-

CnevT amas?

_ piriqiT vamCnev. vfiqrob,

dasavleTis yuradReba gaaTmagebulia.

am istoriulma

boikotma da opoziciurma er-

Tianobam didi Sedegi moitana.

„qarTuli ocnebis” politikis

wyalobiT dasavleTs miviwyebuli

vyavdiT. axla gamovCndiT

politikur rukaze, SeviZineT

feri, gaCnda didi interesi. saboloo

jamSi, mainc yvelaferi

Cvenze, am qveynis mosaxleobazea

damokidebuli. qarTveli

xalxis nebas Tu dainaxaven, maTgan

marTla warmoudgeneli mxardaWera

gveqneba.

_ warmoudgenel mxardaW-

eraSi ras gulisxmobT?

_ personalur sanqciebamde

miva saqme. ivaniSvilis qonebas

daayadaReben. aqamde rom mivides

saqme, Cvenma mosaxleobam

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unda aCvenos neba, rom am xelisuflebis

Secvla surs. Cven Tu

wamovkotrialdebiT da nihilizms

mivecemiT, aravin arafers

gaakeTebs. Cvens Zalisxmevas

rom dainaxaven, udidesi mxardaWera

gveqneba da movlenebic

ise ganviTardeba, rogorc Cven

gvinda.

_ viTom ise iqneba, rogorc

Tqven gindaT? raRac ise Cans,

rom „ocnebam” dasavleTTan

dalageba daiwyo. kobaxiZis de-

santi jer amerikaSi gadasxes

da mere _ evropaSi.

_ kobaxiZis dalagebuli ar

gaiSva. veravin damajerebs, rom

nebismier „qocs”, pirvel rigSi

ki irakli kobaxiZes, vinmesTan,

miT umetes, dasavleTTan ramis

dalageba SeuZlia.

_ ratom ggoniaT, rom ar

SeuZlia?

_ SeuZlebelia, am tipis ad-

opozicia ar gamova~

`korufciuli sqemebi, arCevnebis gayalbeba da yvela ubedureba rac xdeba,

amis monawileebi arian. Tavxedurad gveubnebian, 20 ivnisze gaxaria iRebs

pasuxismgeblobaso. warmoidgineT, ra utifrebi arian, arc ki rcxveniaT,

maTma liderma xalxs daTvis tyviebi rom dauSina. aranairi axali

opoziciuri Zala ar gamoCenila - es aris biZina ivaniSvilis gegma,

romelsac surs, umravlesobac akontrolos da - opoziciac~

ùtifari eliso bolqvaZe gamodis da ambobs,

gaWirveba parizSic aris da xalxi iqac iqeqeba

nagavSio. am qalbatons is daaviwyda, rom

safrangeTSi aseT adamianebs TveSi 800 evro

eZlevaT daxmarebis saxiT~

amianma rame daalagos. aCveneT

irakli kobaxiZe msoflios da

yvelaferi aireva. kobaxiZe verafers

daalagebs. dasavleTi

isev Cven gviWers mxars. gaizrdeba

Tu ara es isedac didi

mxardaWera, mxolod Cvenzea

damokidebuli.

_ opozicia did imeds amyarebT

15 maisis aqciaze. Se-

ZlebT xalxis quCaSi gamoyvan-

as?

_ xalxs Cveni daZaxili ar

unda sWirdebodes. Cveni mxridan

yvelafers vakeTebT. opozicia

Tavisi boikotiT, erTobi-

Ta da brZoliT yvelas aCvenebs

principulobas. samwuxarod,

xalxi Tavisi iniciativiT gareT

ar gamodis. qveyana nihilizmSia

Cafluli. Zalian didi

muSaobis Catareba dagvWirdeba

rogorc TbilisSi, aseve regionebSi.

darwmunebuli var, rom am

qveynis mosaxleoba aucileblad

gamova quCaSi usamarTlobis

gasaprotesteblad. aseT yofas

adamianebi didi xani ver moiTmenen.

axla sazogadoebas is unda

SevagnebinoT, rom es maTi

saqmecaa da ara _ opoziciis. qarTvelma

xalxma unda gaacnobieros,

rom axla Cveni samSoblos

gadarCenis sakiTxi dgas

dRis wesrigSi. unda gavacnobieroT,

rom am qveyanas hqvia saqarTvelo

da ara saivaniSvilo.

dReisTvis kargad mxolod ivaniSvilis

garemocva grZnobs

Tavs. danarCens, elementarulad,

momavlis imedic ki ar gaaCnia.

Cvens winaprebs saukuneebis

manZilze imitom ar ubrZoliaT,

rom Cvens samSoblos mo-

Ralateebi da okupantis msaxurebi

daepatronon. saqarTvelos

gvakargvineben. es ar unda

davuSvaT. mjera, rom Cveni mosaxleoba

amas arc dauSvebs.

isedac sakmarisze meti vuTmineT

oligarqs.

_ politikur asparezze ax-

ali opoziciuri danayofi

gamoCnda giorgi gaxarias gundis

saxiT. maT „qarTuli oc-

neba” datoves da parlamentSi

calke fraqcias Seqmnian. ga-

nacxades, rom radikalebTan

ar viTanamSromlebTo. amaze

ras upasuxebT?

_ rogorc yvavis kvercxidan

ar gamoiCekeba marTve, ise gaxarias

gundisgan ar gamova opozicia.

maT arc aRviqvam opoziciad.

opozicionerobis maT

araferi etyobaT.

_ opoziciasTan TanamSromlobaze

ratom gaasavsaves xelebi?

SesTavaza vinmem, viTan-

amSromloTo?

_ ar iTanamSromloben da nu

iTanamSromleben. neta, vin daaglija

kalTebi, viTanamSromloTo?

kargi napatiebi saxeebiT

sxedan da utifrad acxadeben,

rom qveyanaSi ekonomikuri

krizisia da saxelmwifo CamoSlilia.

imasac mosTqvamen, rogor

aris gaberili biurokratiiT

saxelmwifo dawesebulebebi.

_ es ratomaa utifroba? xom

marTlac krizisia da saxelmwifo

xom marTlac CamoSlil-

ia?

_ asea, magram amaze saubris

ufleba maT ar aqvT. vin Seiyvana

qveyana krizisSi? maTi gaxaria

am qveynis pirveli piri ar

gaxldaT? misi pirdapiri movaleoba

ar iyo, rom qveyana krizisidan

gamoeyvana? ori yofili

gubernatoria gundSi da sxvisken

iSveren xels.

_ ori ara, sami eqsgubernatori

hyavs gaxarias saparla-

mento gundSi.

_ miT uaresi. sxva planetidan

Camofrenil angelozebad

rom moaqvT Tavi, amaTi Seqmnilia

es biurokratiuli aparatebi.

yvela usaqmuri magaT hyavT

Seyrili samsaxurebSi. amaT

atarebineben opoziciis winaaRmdeg

aqciebs da a. S. gaxarias

xalxi, pirdapir Tu iribad, bi-

Zina ivaniSvilis TamaSs TamaSobs.

Zalianac rom moundeT, ver

iopozicionereben.

_ ratom ver iopozicioner-

eben?

_ imitom, rom Tavidan fexebamde

Tavad iyvnen CarTuli am

danaSaulebrivi sistemis SeqmnaSi.

korufciuli sqemebi, arCevnebis

gayalbeba da yvela ubedureba

rac xdeba, amis monawileebi

arian. Tavxedurad gveubnebian,

20 ivnisze gaxaria iRebs

pasuxismgeblobaso. warmoidgineT,

ra utifrebi arian, arc ki

rcxveniaT, maTma liderma xalxs

daTvis tyviebi rom dauSina.

aranairi axali opoziciuri

Zala ar gamoCenila _ es aris

biZina ivaniSvilis gegma, romelsac

surs, umravlesobac akontrolos

da _ opoziciac.

_ Tu ivaniSvili dgas maT

ukan, xom ar CaaCoCebs danar-

Cen opozicias?

_ ra unda CaaCoCon? sad unda

CaaCoCon? rogor unda CaaCoCon?

aseTi xelovnuri opoziciebi

rom ar amarTlebs, gamo-

Cnda. Tavis droze, saakaSvilmac

Seqmna xelovnuri opozicia,

magram ra moigo? _ Caflavda

Tavis xelovnur opoziciasTan

erTad. axlac igive moxdeba.

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da, rom „qarTuli ocneba” Sarl

miSelis egidiT Seqmnil dokuments

calmxrivad awers xels. TalakvaZem isic ganmarta, rom dokumentze

xelis moweris gadawyvetileba sazogadoebasTan da saer-

TaSoriso partniorebTan ndobis gansamtkiceblad miiRes, „raTa

ar darCes kiTxvebi, xom ar iyo politikuri SeTanxmebis Sesa-

Zlebloba gaSvebuli xelidan „qarTuli ocnebis” mizeziT”.

kristian danielsonis mier

SeTavazebuli dokumenti 5 punqts

moicavs:

1. politizebul marTlmsajulebad

aRqmul sakiTxebze reagireba

teqstis am nawilSi saubaria

imaze, rom molaparakebebis dasrulebidan

erTi kviris vadaSi

unda momzaddes kanoni amnistiis

Sesaxeb, romelic Seexeba 2019

wlis 20-21 ivnisis „protestebTan

dakavSirebul yvela dar-

Rvevasa da dakavebas”. amavdroulad,

parlamentma unda Seitanos

cvlilebebi reglamentSi, raTa

deputatisTvis imunitetis moxsnas

dasWirdes ubralo umravlesobaze

meti xma.

am punqtSi naxsenebi ar aris

„erTiani nacionaluri moZraobis

Tavmjdomare”, nika melia, romlis

winaaRmdeg aRZruli saqmec

swored „gavrilovis Rames” ukav-

Sirdeba, Tumca rogorc partiebis,

maT Soris, „qarTuli ocnebis”

wevrebma ganmartes, es punqti

mis mimarT sisxlissamarTlebrivi

devnis Sewyvetas moicavda mas

Semdeg, rac nika melia giraos gadaixdida;

2. ambiciuri saarCevno reforma

es punqti aerTianebs saarCevno

cvlilebebTan dakavSirebul pakets,

romelzedac partiebis

didi nawili Tanaxma iyo. am punqtis

mixedviT, momavali saparlamento

arCevnebi unda iyos srulad

proporciuli, momdevno or

arCevnebze ki saarCevno barieri

unda meryeobdes bunebrividan

2%-mde.

parlamentis aranakleb 4 wevrisgan

Semdgar jgufs unda SeeZlos

saparlamento fraqciis Seqmna,

romelSic sxva partiebidan

deputatebis CarTva SesaZlebeli

iqneba. punqti aseve moicavs centraluri

saarCevno komisiis reformasac.

magaliTad, ceskos

Tavmjdomare parlamentma unda

airCios xmebis 2/3-iT;

3. kanonis uzenaesoba da sasamarTlo

reforma

dokumentis mesame punqti mar-

TlmsajulebasTan dakavSirebul

sakiTxebs aerTianebs, romlis

mixedviTac, uzenaes sasamarTlo-

Si mosamarTleebis daniSvna unda

SeCerdes da axali kandidatebisgan

gancxadebebis miReba xelaxla

unda daiwyos mas Semdeg, rac

axali kanoni amoqmeddeba. SemuSavebuli

teqsti iTvaliswinebs

iusticiis umaRlesi sabWos siRrmiseul

reformas da pirveli da

saapelacio instanciebis sasamar-

TloebSi mosamarTleebis daniSvnisas

unda gaizardos gamWvirvaloba.

parlamentma unda gaiTvaliswinos

veneciis komisiis 2019

wlis daskvna.

amave punqtis mixedviT, „sajaro

debatebis CaTvliT, mxareebi

iReben valdebulebas, gaagrZelon

saerTo politikuri poziciis

gaziareba, rom Semdegi generaluri

prokurorebis dasaniSnad

saWiro iqneba parlamentis wevr-

Ta kvalificiuri umravlesobis

xmebi”;

4. parlamentSi Zalauflebis

ganawileba

am punqtis mixedviT, parlamentis

opozicioneri wevrebi uxelmZRvaneleben

xuT komitets,

saidanac ori SerCeuli iqneba

Semdegi siidan: saproceduro sakiTxTa

da wesebis komiteti; iuridiul

sakiTxTa komiteti; adamianis

uflebaTa dacvisa da

samoqalaqo integraciis komiteti;

sabiujeto da safinanso komiteti;

sagareo saqmeTa komiteti.

amasTan, opoziciis wevrebi

daikaveben saparlamento delegaciis

Tavmjdomaris erT pozicias

saparlamento delegaciebSi.

„samomavlod, sxva poziciebi

ganawildeba iseTi inkluziuri

formulis gamoyenebiT, rogoricaa

D’Hondt meTodi (romelic araproporciulobis

minimumamde

dayvanisTvis gamoiyeneba)”, weria

dokumentSi;

5. momavali arCevnebi

„partiebi mxedvelobaSi iReben

euTo/odiris Sefasebas, romlis

mixedviT: „31 oqtombris saparlamento

arCevnebi konkurentul

garemoSi da, zogadad, ZiriTadi

Tavisuflebebis dacviT Catarda.

amis miuxedavad, amomrCevlebze

zewolis Sesaxeb farTod gavrcelebuli

braldebebi da

mmarTvel partiasa da saxelmwifos

Soris sazRvris bundovaneba

saarCevno procesis zogierTi

aspeqtis mimarT sazogadoebis

ndobas amcirebda. (...) formalur

safuZvelze saCivrebis udidesi

nawilis ganxilvaze sistemurma

uaris Tqmam sagrZnoblad Seamcira

maTze efeqtiani samarTlebrivi

reagireba”.

partiebi aRiareben, rom isini

gansxvavebulad afaseben 2020

wlis arCevnebs da Tanxmdebian

saparlamento mandatebze da

monawileobaze momaval arCevneb-

Si, romelic Catardeba winamdebare

dokumentiT gansazRvruli

saarCevno reformis safuZvelze,

saqarTvelos politikuri stabilurobisa

da winamdebare SeTanxmebis

ganxorcielebis interesebidan

gamomdinare.

2021 wlis oqtombris adgilobrivi

arCevnebisTvis saqarTvelos

xelisufleba moiTxovs

saerTaSoriso sadamkvirveblo

misiis Camosvlas”.

raze metyvelebs „qarTuli

ocnebis” es nabiji da rogoria

opoziciis samoqmedo gegma? am

Temebis Sesaxeb „qronika+” poli-

tikos nino goguaZes esaubra:

_ qalbatono nino, „qarTulma

ocnebam” Sarl miSelis egidiT

Seqmnil dokuments calmxrivad

moawera xeli. ras niSnavs

mmarTveli gundis es nabiji?

_ arCil TalakvaZem da „qarTulma

ocnebam” gadawyvita, dasavleTTan

konstruqciuloba iTama-

Sos, rom TiTqos isini mzad arian

am dokumentze xelmosawerad.

TalakvaZem TviTon moawera xeli,

arada, SeTanxmeba niSnavs imas,

rom orive mxare awers xels. am

dokumentSi, danielsonis dokumentisgan

gansxvavebiT, TviTon

„qarTulma ocnebam” Seitana vadamdeli

arCevnebis Tema, oRond is

meqanizmi, romelic „qarTulma

ocnebam” SemogvTavaza, gulisxmobs

TviTmmarTvelobis Sedegebis

mixedviT riggareSe arCevnebis

Catarebas. TviTmmarTvelobis

arCevnebi Tavisi arsiT absolu-

nino goguaZe:

`xelisuflebas

ar SerCeba

avtokratia da

saqarTvelos

evroatlantikuri

sivrcidan

daSoreba~

`gvesmis, ramdenad mniSvnelovania dasavleTis

mxardaWera, Tumca migvaCnia, rom `qarTuli

ocnebis~ xelisuflebas ar unda eTamaSo

demokratiuloba im moedanze, sadac arc erTi

demokratiuli procesi ar mimdinareobs~

turad gansxvavebulia da sruliad

gaugebaria, rogor unda miebas

saparlamento arCevnebi TviTmmarTvelobis

arCevnebis Sedegebs?

Tan 40% Tu miiRo TviTmmarTvelobis

arCevnebze „qarTulma

ocnebam”, vadamdeli ar

Catardebao, _ es absoluturad

miuRebelia opoziciisTvis. amiT

mmarTveli gundi TviTonve adasturebs,

rom maT ician: mosaxleobaSi

40%-ze meti ar auRiaT, anu

adastureben opoziciis im mosazrebas,

rom „qarTulma ocnebam”

48% 2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebSi gayalbebiT daiwera.

meore umniSvnelovanesi punqti

opoziciisTvis aris politikuri

patimrebis: meliasa da

ruruas cixidan gamoSveba, aseve

politikuri devnis Sewyveta,

radgan viciT, rom Zalian bevri

politikuri saqmea aRZruli,

igive nika gvaramiaze, mamuka xazaraZeze,

aseve garejis saqme da a.

S. am punqtebSi aranairi sicxade

ar aris, piriqiT sruliad bundovani

formulirebaa. ase rom,

opozicia yovelTvis mzad aris

molaparakebisTvis, oRond es molaparakeba

unda iyos krizisis

gansamuxtad. „qarTuli ocneba”

ki, rogorc xelisufleba, pasuxismgebelia

yvelanair krizisze,

romelic am qveyanaSia Seqmnili.

Cvens qveyanaSi ki mxolod politikuri

krizisi rom ar aris, es

cxadia. saparlamento respublikaSi,

rogoric dRes konstituciiT

da viTom varT, nebismieri

krizisis ganmuxtvis meqanizmi

aris vadamdeli arCevnebi. xelisuflebis

mxridan vadamdel

arCevnebze aseTi gajiuteba, cota

sasaciloa.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom krizisze

pasuxismgebloba xelisu-

flebas ekisreba, amas Cveni dasav

avleli partniorebic ambobd-

nen, Tumca mas Semdeg, rac TalakvaZem

ganacxada, rom dokuments

xels moawerdnen, evropar-

lamentar viola fon kramonma

tviterze dawera: „saqarTvelos

gulisTvis opoziciam „ocnebis”

magaliTs unda mibaZos”. msgavsi

Sinaarsis araerTi gzavnili

gavrcelda evropeli partniorebis

mxridan. am mocemulo-

baSi gaiTvaliswinebT Tu ara

opozicia dasavleTis gzavnils?

_ diax, es aris piarsvla _

dasavleTisTvis Tavis mowonebis

mcdeloba da imis Cveneba, rom

TiTqos „qarTuli ocneba” aris

konstruqciuli, opozicia ki _

radikaluri. mesmis Cveni dasavleli

partniorebis mowodeba da

imasac vxvdebi, rom garkveul pasuxismgeblobas

opozicias akisreben,

magram darwmunebuli

var, rom maT kargad ician: xelisuflebaa

mTavari pasuxismgebeli

yvelanair krizisze, rac am

qveyanaSia Seqmnili. dasavleTisTvis

boikoti ar aris mosawoni

forma, magram CvenTvis es gaxlavT

brZolisa da am xelisuflebis

arsis gaSiSvlebis meTodi,

radgan erTpartiuli parlamenti

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vadamdel arCevnebamde migviyvans~

arsobrivad im xelisuflebis saxea,

romliTac dRes biZina ivaniSvili

marTavs am saxelmwifos. mesmis

Cveni dasavleli partniorebis,

roca amboben, gamoiyeneT institutebi

da demokratiuli

procedurebio, magram Cven, samwuxarod,

es demokratiuli institutebi

ar gagvaCnia, maT Soris,

ar gvaqvs sasamarTlo da parlamenti.

parlamentSi „qarTuli

ocneba” warmodgenilia im procentiT,

romelic ivaniSvilma moindoma

da dawera. am nawilSi opoziciis

pasuxismgebloba Tu is

aris, rom am TamaSis wesebs ar

iRebs, _ iyos es Cveni pasuxismgebloba.

am TamaSis wesebs ar mivi-

RebT, radgan es Tu damkvidrda

da am xelisuflebas gauvida, es

krizisi araTu ganimuxteba, gacilebiT

bnel CixSi SevalT, bevrad

mZime dasasruliT. amis Tavidan

arideba rom gvinda, amitomac

aris opozicia aseTi Tanmimdevruli.

rodesac gveubnebian, daTmeT

rameo, opozicias erTader-

Ti dasaTmobi rac hqonda, es iyo

mandatebi da daTmo! sxva ra berketi

aqvs opozicias, me ar vici!

yvela berketi xelisuflebis xelSia.

opozicia ver daaSorebs

saxelmwifos evroatlantikur

gzas _ esec mxolod xelisuflebis

politikis Sedegi SeiZleba

iyos. mxolod xelisuflebis xelTaa

ekonomikuri da pandemiuri

krizisis gadalaxva. opozicia vambobT,

rom sanam TamaSis wesebi

ar Seicvleba da Cvens moqalaqeebs

ar daubrundebaT arCevanis

ufleba, anu imis ufleba, rom

Tavisufal, samarTlian garemoSi

TviTon airCion sakuTari xelisufleba

da sanam es qveyana namdvilad

ar daadgeba demokratiuli

ganviTarebis gzas, manam Cven

Tavis motyuebas am viTom mravalpartiuli

parlamentiT ar vapirebT.

arc Cveni dasavleli partniorebisTvis

vapirebT Tvalis

axvevas im Zalian mniSvnelovan

problemaze, romelic Cvens qveyanaSia

Seqmnili biZina ivaniSvilis

absoluturi Zalauflebis wyalobiT.

_ Tqven aRniSneT, rom es iyo

„qarTuli ocnebis” piarsvla. Se-

Zleben Tu ara isini am nabijiT

sakuTari gegmis bolomde miyvanas

_ dasavleTisTvis Tvalis axvevas?

_ Cveni dasavleli partniorebisTvis

da im Tavisufali samyarosTvis,

romliskenac miviswrafiT,

Zalian mniSvnelovania am

qveynis stabiluroba, demokratiuli

ganviTareba, _ es aris dasavleTis

strategiuli interesi

saqarTveloSi da isic gasagebia,

rom maT surT, rac SeiZleba mSvidobianad

ganviTardes procesebi.

„qarTuli ocneba” viTom konstruqciulobas

TamaSobs, magram

darwmunebuli var, rom isini

dRes Tu ara xval kvlav gamoaCenen

realur saxes. rac Seexeba

dasavleTis mowodebebs opoziciis

mimarT, SevTanxmdeT imaze, rom

Cvens Zalian didi xnis megobrebTan,

uaxloes partniorebTan

qarTul opozicias aqvs brZolis

meTodebze sxvadasxva warmodgena.

gvesmis, ramdenad mniS-

`garda imisa, rom giorgi gaxariasTan dakavSirebiT bevri SekiTxva arsebobs

da mas mouwevs, rogorc politikoss, Riad saubari imis Sesaxeb, Tu ra

moxda 20 ivniss, aseve mas Zalian bevri cudi saqme ukavSirdeba, maT Soris,

zviad ratianis incidenti, roca gaxariam Zalian mZime Secdoma dauSva da

sistema daupirispira erT adamians, misi diskreditacia moaxdina yvela

meTodiT, maT Soris, satelevizio gziT, roca zviad ratianze gaaSvebines

damontaJebuli masala~

vnelovania dasavleTis mxardaWera,

Tumca migvaCnia, rom „qarTuli

ocnebis” xelisuflebas ar

unda eTamaSo demokratiuloba im

moedanze, sadac arc erTi

demokratiuli procesi ar mimdinareobs.

isic gvesmis, rom

krizisis ganmuxtva Cveni saxelmwifosa

da moqalaqeebisTvis umniSvnelovanesia,

es berketic mxolod

„ocnebis” xelSia. man unda

Sewyvitos politikuri devna da

gamouSvas politikuri patimrebi,

am umZimesi krizisis gansamuxtad

ki daniSnos vadamdeli arCevnebi.

_ gasul kviras „nacionaluri

moZraobis” Tavmjdomare nika

melia sasamarTlom patimroba-

Si datova. es niSnavs Tu ara imas,

rom „qarTuli ocneba” ar apir-

ebs politpatimrebis gamoSvebas?

_ „qarTuli ocneba”, ra Tqma

unda, ar aRiarebs, rom politikuri

patimrebi arseboben, metic:

maT SeTxzes zRpari, rom 20

ivniss saxelmwifo gadatrialeba

undodaT, swored am mizeziT,

gavrilovisa da ruseTis saameblad,

aRZres saqme melias winaaRmdeg.

es saqme rom Tavidan bolomde

SeTxzulia, yvelam Zalian kargad

viciT da axla melia patimrobaSia

TiTqos imitom, rom girao

meored ar gadaixada. rasakvirvelia,

es aris Tavidan bolomde

politikuri saqme. „qarTuli ocneba”

dRes ras ambobs, amiT ar

ganisazRvreba is, Tu ras gaakeTebs

xval. viciT, rom „ocneba”

ambobs erTs da akeTebs meores.

darwmunebuli var, „qarTul ocnebas”

mouwevs politikuri patimrebis

gareT gamoSveba da vadamdeli

arCevnebis daniSvna, miuxedavad

imisa, dRes aRiarebs Tu ara

politikuri patimrebis arsebobas.

nika melias patimrobaSi datovebiT

kidev erTxel demonstraciulad

gviTxres, rom maT

opoziciis, opoziciurad ganwyobili

moqalaqeebis azri ar ainteresebT,

magram, ra Tqma unda,

dasavleTs isini sxvanairad elaparakebian

da swored dasavleTisTvis

moaweres xeli am dokuments,

dasavleTis TvalSi vi-

Tom konstruqciulad rom gamoiyurebodnen,

magram mainc mouwiaT

garkveul daTmobaze wasvla,

radgan am dokumentSi TviTon

dauSves vadamdeli arCevnebis

SesaZlebloba, Tumca absurduli

winadadeba SemogvTavazes vadamdeli

arCevnebis dasaniSnad.

_ ra gaZlevT imis Tqmis safu-

Zvels, rom vadamdeli arCevneb-

is daniSvnaze ase darwmunebuli

xarT?

_ amis Tqmis safuZvels ma-

Zlevs movlenebis ganviTarebis

logika, „ocnebis” arakompetenturoba.

is, rom „ocnebas” erTmaneTis

miyolebiT toveben misi

wevrebi Tu liderebi, Tumca didi

xania, „ocnebaSi” liderebi da

politikosebi aRar arian. miuxedavad

imisa, rom pandemiaa da xalxi

Zalian gaWirvebulia, TiTqos

protestis muxti ar Cans, igive

arCevnebma gviCvena, rom „qarTuli

ocneba” xelisuflebidan am

xalxma ukve gaistumra da rom

ara gayalbebuli arCevnebi, dRes

gveyoleboda koaliciuri xelisufleba.

ase rom, movlenebis

ganviTarebis logika migviyvans

vadamdel arCevnebamde.

_ maSin, roca gaxaria premier-

obidan gadadga da amis mizezad

„nacionaluri

moZraobis“

Tavmjdomare nika melias dakave-

bis Taobaze TanagundelebTan

arsebuli uTanxmoeba daasaxela,

Tqven misi es nabiji dadebiTad

`diax, maSin gaxarias es nabiji Sevuqe, swored

imitom, rom vicodi, ra premier-ministric

iyo. is rom realuri premier-ministri

yofiliyo da gavlena hqonoda Zalovan

struqturebze, maSin ki ar gadadgeboda,

gadaayenebda gomelaurs da Tavad miiRebda

politikur gadawyvetilebas, rom ar

daekavebinaT nika melia~

SeafaseT. axla ukve gaxaria Tavi-

si gundiT opoziciur rigebs

uerTdeba da gasul kviras „oc-

neba” 6-ma deputatma datova. maT

gaxarias gundSi gadainacvles.

opoziciis nawili miiCnevs, rom

es aris „ocneba2". Tqven aRiqvamT

Tu ara mas realur opoziciad?

_ diax, maSin gaxarias es nabiji

Sevuqe, swored imitom, rom vicodi,

ra premier-ministric iyo. is

rom realuri premier-ministri

yofiliyo da gavlena hqonoda

Zalovan struqturebze, maSin ki

ar gadadgeboda, gadaayenebda gomelaurs

da Tavad miiRebda

politikur gadawyvetilebas, rom

ar daekavebinaT nika melia, magram

im momentSi, radgan gadadga da ar

miiRo opoziciuri partiis ofis-

Si SeWris gadawyvetileba, misi es

saqcieli dadebiTad Sevafase.

rac Seexeba mis gunds, simarTle

giTxraT, cota Rimilis momgvrelia

masze, rogorc opoziciur

gundze saubari, radgan yvelafers

rom Tavi davaneboT, am eqvsive

deputatma imuniteti mouxsna

nika melias da meore, rac kidev

ufro mniSvnelovania, maSin,

roca giorgi gaxaria gadadga, es

gundi darCa „qarTuli ocnebis”

SemadgenlobaSi da maT xma misces

irakli RaribaSvilis premierobas.

e. i. maT pasuxismgebloba

aiRes RaribaSvilis premierobaze.

isini Tu gaxarias mihyvebodnen

protestis gamo, RaribaSvilis

kandidaturas araviTar SemTxvevaSi

ar miscemdnen xmas. garda

imisa, rom giorgi gaxariasTan

dakavSirebiT bevri SekiTxva arsebobs

da mas mouwevs, rogorc

politikoss, Riad saubari imis

Sesaxeb, Tu ra moxda 20 ivniss,

aseve mas Zalian bevri cudi saqme

ukavSirdeba, maT Soris, zviad ratianis

incidenti, roca gaxariam

Zalian mZime Secdoma dauSva da

sistema daupirispira erT adamians,

misi diskreditacia moaxdina

yvela meTodiT, maT Soris, satelevizio

gziT, roca zviad ratianze

gaaSvebines damontaJebuli

masala. aseve mniSvnelovania

kiTxvaze pasuxi, vin gasca 20 ivniss

brZaneba? im dReze pasuxismgebloba

gaxariam aiRo da formalurad

is iyo am darbevaze pasuxismgebeli.

garda amisa, yvelaze

gasakviria, rom am deputatebma,

romlebmac gaxarias gundSi gadainacvles,

mxari dauWires irakli

RaribaSvilis premierobas. axla

maT rom vusmenT, STabeWdileba

mrCeba, TiTqos maT surT iseTi

opoziciuri niSa daikavon, biZinas

rom moewoneba. anu es iqneba

opoziciuri partia, romelic

daupirispirdeba „qarTul ocnebas”,

oRond ar daupirispirdeba

biZina ivaniSvils. putinsac

hyavs ramdenime partia parlamentSi,

romelic putinis winaaRmdeg

ar aris. CemTvis ukve aseT „konstruqciul”

opoziciad gamoikveTa

is gundi, romelic, vimeoreb:

yvelaferSi amarTlebs gaxarias

premierobas da romelmac

mxari dauWira RaribaSvilis kandidaturas

premierobis postze

maSin, rodesac maTi lideri gadadga

premierobidan.

_ rogorc vici, regionebSi

mosaxleobas xvdebiT. rogoria

maTi ganwyoba da rogor emzadeb-

iT 15 maisis aqciisTvis?

_ mosaxleobas Zalian bevri

problema aqvs. samwuxarod, unda

vTqva, rom politikosebi davSordiT

eleqtorats. xalxs ar esmis,

ra kavSirSia yvelaferi is, rac

politikaSi xdeba maTi yofis

gaumjobesebasa da yoveldRiur

problemebTan? swored amis axsniT

varT dakavebuli. miuxedavad

imisa, rom pandemia mZvinvarebs, am

xelisuflebas aucileblad unda

vaCvenoT, rom ar SerCebaT avtokratia,

saqarTvelos evroatlantikuri

sivrcidan daSoreba.

Cven varT Tavisufali moqalaqeebi,

romlebic unda vcxovrobdeT

deokratiul saxelmwifoSi. minda

mjerodes, rom 15 maisi iqneba amis

gamoZaxili da diax, vaCvenoT, rom

Cven bevrni varT. Cemi lozungi es

aris, rom xelisuflebas vaCvenoT:

ar SerCebaT is, rom absoluturad

SeuzRudavi Zalauflebis

mqone adamiani ufskrulisken miaqanebs

am qveyanas. qveyanas, romelSic

arsebobs politikuri,

ekonomikuri, socialuri, RirebulebiTi

da pandemiuri krizisi.

am krizisebis gadaWris kompetencia

da unari am xelisuflebas ar

gaaCnia, swored amisTvis aris

aucilebeli vadamdeli arCevnebis

Catareba.

_ saboloo jamSi, msgavss

aqciebze xelisufleba Tavebis

daTvliT aris dakavebuli da

xSirad opozicias ironiulad

mianiSneben aqciebze xalxis

raodenobis Sesaxeb. elodebiT

Tu ara masStabur protests?

_ imedi maqvs, rom bevri xalxi

gamova, magram gacilebiT metia

protestis mqone moqalaqe, romlebic

arCevnebze midian da irCeven

opoziciur partiebs, xmas ar

aZleven „qarTul ocnebas”, vidre

adamianebis is raodenoba, romelic

aqciebze gamodis. imedia, bevri

xalxi mova, magram xelisuflebam

ar unda daiwyos Tavebis

daTvla, _ am xelisuflebis mimarT

miuRebloba gacilebiT didia

mosaxleobaSi, vidre mmarTvel

gunds warmoudgenia.

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ratom ar unda vendoT xelisuflebis

SeTavazebas? ratom

aqvs gaxarias didi mxardaW-

era Sida qarTlSi? apireben Tu

ara „nacionalebi” SurisZiebas?

unda gveSinodes Tu ara maTi

dabrunebis? miiRebs Tu ara

opozicia monawileobas TviTm-

marTvelobis arCevnebSi? _ amis

Sesaxeb badri basiSvili „qron-

ika+~-s esaubreba:

_ batono badri, parlamentis

Tavmjdomare arCil TalakvaZem

gvacnoba, rom „qarTuli ocne-

ba” xels awers dokuments, sa-

dac Cawerili iqneba Semdegi

punqti, rom Tu TviTmmarTvel-

obis arCevnebze 40%-ze naklebs

aiReben, maSin isini ganixilaven

vadamdeli arCevnebis Temas.

zogma es daTmobad aRiqva, zog-

ma _ morig triukad. Tqven ras

fiqrobT?

_ es aris morigi fandi. irakli

kobaxiZes vaSingtonSi gasagebad

uTxres, rom ase gagrZeleba

SeuZlebelia. auxsnes, rom daTmobaze,

pirvel rigSi, xelisufleba

unda wavides, raTa qveyana

normalur politikur da ekonomikur

mdgomareobas daubrundes.

aqedan gamomdinare, maT SemogvTavazes

winadadebebi, romelic

opoziciisTvis miuRebelia.

es SeTavazeba gaTvlilia sazogadoebisTvis

da dasavleTisTvis

Tvalis asaxvevad, viTom

politikuri krizisis gansamuxtad

iniciativas iCenen. vidre

politpatimrebi ar ganTavisufldebian

da vadamdeli arCevnebi

ar dainiSneba, araferi gamova.

opozicia parlamentSi ar Seva.

gadagdeba „qarTuli ocnebis”

stilia, Cven maT ar vendobiT.

_ parlamentSi ar SevalTo da

darwmunebuli xarT, rom undaT

opoziciis parlamentSi Sesvla?

Tqven gareSec mSvenivrad

grZnoben Tavs. opoziciisTvis

gankuTvnili adgilebic nelnela

ivseba. ukve Sesul opozicionerebs

„girCebic” daemate-

bian. iq gaxarias xalxi ganlag-

da opoziciis skamebze.

_ „patriotTa aliansidan” wamosulebi

parlamentSi rom Sevidnen,

„qarTul ocnebaSi” ifiqres,

rom poziciebs ganimtkicebdnen.

gaexardaT aleko elisaSvilisa

da levan ioselianis

Sesvlac, magram maTma Sesvlam ar

gaamarTla. „ocnebaSi” yvelaze

kargad ician, rom es xalxi realur

opozicias ar warmoadgens.

es partiebi rom „qarTuli ocnebis”

filialebad iqcnen, amas

Cveni dasavleli partniorebic

kargad xvdebian. amitom unda xe-

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`vaSingtonma kobaxiZes

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis didi

Sorena marsagiSvili

nawili „qarTuli ocnebis” mowi-

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naaRmdegea. amis miuxedavad, eleqtorati

xelisuflebis sawinaaRm-

dego aqciebze gamosvlebisgan Tavs ikavebs. mizezi gaxlavT SiSi.

SiSi imisa, rom xelisuflebaSi kvlav „nacionalebi” dabrundebian.

„nacionaluri moZraobis” erT-erTi lideri, badri basiS-

vili, ambobs, rom xalxma es SiSi ukve daZlia da cvlilebebs

uWers mxars. mas sjera, rom 15 maisis aqciaze bevri xalxi miva

da mmarTveli partia iZulebuli gaxdeba, daTmobaze wavides.

lisuflebas parlamentSi realuri

opoziciis xilva. Cveni boikotis

gamo isini nerviuloben.

maT aucileblad mouwevT ukan

daxeva. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi,

isini mravalaTasian aqcias miiReben.

_ 15 maisis aqcias gulisx-

mobT?

_ diax. vapirebT, rom am dRes

bevri adamiani gamoviyvanoT qu-

CaSi. darwmunebuli var, aqciaze

iseTi xalxic mova, vinc arCevnebze

Cven ar mogvca xma, magram

fiqrobs, rom qveynisTvis erTaderTi

gamosavali vadamdeli ar-

Cevnebia, romelic Secvlili saarCevno

sistemiT unda Catardes.

dae, Tavisufal arCevnebze gadawyvitos

Cvenma mosaxleobam, unda

Tu ara mas xelisuflebis

Secvla.

_ darwmunebuli xarT, rom

xalxs xelisuflebis Secvla

surs?

_ darwmunebuli var. arsebul

situaciaSi erTaderTi gamosavali

vadamdeli arCevnebia, sadac

xalxi cvlilebebs miscems xmas.

cvlilebebs xalxma 2020 welsac

dauWira mxari, magram is arCevnebi

„qarTulma ocnebam” arnaxulad

gaayalba. amitomac ucxadebs

opozicia parlaments boikots.

_ xelisufleba gTavazobT,

rom vadamdel arCevnebze TviT-

mmarTvelobis Semdeg isaubroT,

Tu isini 40%-ze naklebs aiReben.

iqneb da marTla 40%-ze naklebs

iReben? xom ambobT, mxardaWera

ar aqvTo? iqneb, da-

TanxmebuliyaviT am SeTavazebas.

_ xalxis mxardaWera ar gaaCniaT,

magram arsebuli sistemiTa

da ceskos dRevandeli SemadgenlobiT

isev SeZleben im Sedegis

daweras, rac maT interesebSi Sedis.

isic saeWvoa, ratom SemogvTavazes

maincdamainc 40%? ratom

ar Tqves 45%? maT realurad

ician, rom wina arCevnebze

40%-ic ver aiRes. arada, arCevnebi

arnaxulad gayalbda. daasaxeles

is cifri, romlis miRebac

SeuZliaT. am Sedegs gayalbebiT,

susis CarTulobiT, Savi fulis

mobilizebiT moaxerxeben. am

40%-is gaJRereba kidev erTxel

miuTiTebs imaze, rom 2020 wlis

saparlamento arCevnebi moipares.

_ 2020 wlis arCevnebze gor-

Si Tqveni konkurenti „qarTuli

ocnebidan” iyo giorgi xojevaniSvili.

man ramdenime adami-

anTan erTad mmarTveli partia

datova. ras fiqrobT mis ganqo-

cebaze?

_ es mosalodnelic iyo. Cven

badri basiSvili:

`xelisufleba

qveynis

Casaketad

emzadeba~

amis Sesaxeb „qarTul ocnebas”,

jer kidev, gasul wels vafrTxilebdiT.

adamianebis jgufi,

romelic „nacionalebisa” da imis

wina xelisuflebis dros Tavs

kargad grZnobdnen da moqmedsac

kargad moergnen, samomavlodac

daiWerdnen Tadarigs. swored

aseTebi arian xojevaniSvilebi.

_ xojevaniSvilebi „naciona-

lebis” dros Tavs rom kargad

grZnobdnen, cnobilia, magram

SevardnaZis

mmarTvelobis

dros patarebi iyvnen.

_ maSin xojevaniSvilebis mamis

samegobro Zalian daaxloebuli

iyo SevardnaZis CinosnebTan. „nacionalebis”

dros ukve Zmebi xojevaniSvilebi

gamovidnen asparezze.

mTel saqarTveloSi ganTqmuli

iyo e. w. goruli klani,

romelsac kaxa sabanaZe mfarvelobda.

kaxa sabanaZes, Tavis mxriv,

giorgi gaxaria mfarvelobda.

Cven, jer kidev, SarSan vambobdiT,

rom es adamianebi SeCveulebi

arian portirebas da aucileblad

moZebnidnen „qarTuli ocnebisgan”

Camocilebis gzas. xojevaniSvilis

opoziciaSi gadasvla

morigi fandia. gaxarias patronebma,

romlebic ruseTSi arian,

gadawyvites, Seqmnan „qarTuli

ocnebis” alternatiuli gundi.

isini kargad xvdebian rom

ivaniSvilsa da mis „ocnebas” ukve

dro gasdis. ifiqres, ifiqres da

gadawyvites, „ocnebaze” ganawyenebuli

meocnebeebis xmebi sxvagan

rom ar wasuliyo, gaxarias

partia Seqmnan. aqedan gamomdinare,

gaxarias gundi da xojevaniSvilebi

aranairi opozicia ar

aris. isini arian „qarTuli ocnebis”

filiali. amas xalxic kargad

xvdeba da arCevnebze Sesabamisi

reaqciac eqneba.

_ zemoT sabanaZe axseneT da

isic gaxariasTan wava?

_ ra Tqma unda. mis msgavsad

gaxarias gundSi vixilavT aWaris

policiis departamentis yofil

`maSin xojevaniSvilebis mamis samegobro

Zalian daaxloebuli iyo SevardnaZis

CinosnebTan. `nacionalebis~ dros ukve Zmebi

xojevaniSvilebi gamovidnen asparezze. mTel

saqarTveloSi ganTqmuli iyo e. w. goruli

klani, romelsac kaxa sabanaZe mfarvelobda.

kaxa sabanaZes, Tavis mxriv, giorgi gaxaria

mfarvelobda~

ufros kote ananiaSvilsac. isic

goruli klanis warmomadgeneli

gaxlavT. sabanaZe da ananiaSvili

garda imisa, rom gaxarias gorul

klans warmoadgenen, qvislebic

arian. isini am klanis sxva wevrebTan

erTad kargad xvdebian,

rom „qarTuli ocneba” iZireba

da mas gadarCenis Sansi ar aqvs.

es 2018 wlis saprezidento arCevnebzec

kargad igrZnes. 2020

wlis saparlamento arCevnebze ki

amaSi sabolood darwmundnen.

maT Sesabamisi dro SearCies triukis

Casatareblad. kargad gamoiyenes

nika melias dakavebis

Tema. TiTqos raRac ewyinaT da

gadavidnen opoziciaSi. gaxarias

marTla rom sdomoda am xelisuflebis

winaaRmdeg wasvla, ar

gadadgeboda.

_ winaaRmdegi Tu iyo, ratom

ar unda gadamdgariyo?

_ marTla Tu winaaRmdegi iyo

xelisuflebis, maSin unda dar-

Ceniliyo da rogorc premiers,

ise daezianebina „qarTuli ocneba”.

man wasvla amjobina. amiT

daamtkica, rom es aris raRac

TamaSis nawili. aRsaniSnavia isic,

rom gaxariam TavisTvis yvelaze

seriozuli dasayrdeni gundi

Sida qarTlSi, kerZod ki gorSi

Seqmna. „qarTuli ocneba” Tu

dakargavs xmebs opoziciaSi gaxarias

gadasvliT, es iqneba Sida

qarTli da gori.

_ ase Tu aris saqme, maSin ga-

xariam Tavis partias „qarT-

luri ocneba” unda daarqvas.

_ Sida qarTlSi marTla bevri

mxardamWeri hyavs. samegrelos-

Tan erTad gaxarias SeuZlia,

Sida qarTlsac daeyrdnos. gaxarias

gundi isev „qarTul ocnebas”

Tu waarTmevs xmebs, Torem

opoziciis xmebs ver waiRebs.

_ „nacionalebs” stabiluri

amomrCeveli gyavT. verc danar-

Cen opozicias waarTmeven xmebs?

_ danarCeni opoziciis xmebi

SeiZleba waiRon, magram Ziri-

Tadad „ocnebaze” ganawyenebuli

meocnebeni miscemen mas xmas. Sida

qarTli da kerZod gori Cven-

Tvis rTuli regionia, magram aqac

ki 30%-mde aviReT. arada, arn-

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daTmobaze wasvla mosTxova~

axuli gayalbeba iyo.

_ gaxarias partia „ocnebis”

xmebs waiRebso, ambobT da Sesa-

Zloa, kalaZis gundmac waiRos

„ocnebis” xmebi. amboben, rom

isic apirebs wasvlas da damo-

ukidebeli TamaSis dawyebas.

_ kalaZis ambavic saintereso

iqneba, radgan masac hyavs Tavisi

gundi. swored es adamianebi

ugrovebdnen „qarTul ocnebas”

xmebs. gaxaria da kalaZe rom gamovakloT,

„ocneba” arCevnebSi,

gayalbebis miuxedavad, 25%-sac

ki veRar aiRebs. Zalian saintereso

saparlamento arCevnebi

gvelodeba. eseni erTmaneTs

waarTmeven xmebs.

_ erTmaneTs opoziciac arTmevT

xmebs. 2020 wlis saparla-

mento arCevnebze imdenic ki ver

moaxerxeT, rom erTian maJoritar

kandidatebze SeTanxmebu-

liyaviT.

_ erTian maJoritar kandidatebze

rom ver SevTanxmdiT, es

didi Secdoma iyo. imedi maqvs,

vadamdel arCevnebze opozicia

erTiani frontiT daupirispirdeba

„qarTul ocnebas” da

mis filial gaxarias partias.

_ Semodgomaze TviTmmarTvelobis

arCevnebi tardeba. ise-

Ti STabeWdileba rCeba, rom

opozicia ar emzadeba am arCev-

nebisTvis. es arCevnebi Tqven-

Tvis saintereso ar aris? mis-

Tvis boikotis gamocxadebas xom

ar apirebT?

_ politikuri partiebisTvis

nebismier arCevnebSi monawileoba

aucilebelia. am SemTxvevaSi

CvenTvis vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebi ufro mniSvnelovania.

qveyanaSi arsebuli viTareba

rom Seicvalos, vadamdeli arCevnebi

unda Catardes. amis Semdeg

politikuri partiebi SeZleben

koaliciuri mTavrobis dakompleqtebas.

qveynis ganviTarebisTvis

Zalian mniSvnelovania mravalpartiuli

parlamenti. ase

rom, axla opoziciis mTavari

samizne aris vadamdeli arCevnebi.

xelisufleba Tu ityvis, rom

vadamdels dekemberSi an noemberSi

daniSnavs, maSin TviTmmar-

Tvelobis arCevnebSic miviRebT

monawileobas.

_ xalxis ganwyobaze ras

gvetyviT, oRond gulwrfelad

gviTxariT, masac unda vadamde-

li arCevnebi? amdeni arCevnebi

Zalian damRlelia.

_ xalxi Zalian daiRala am

uimedobiT. ise gauWirda yoveldRirad

lukmapuris Sovna, rom

mzad aris, protestis gamosaxatavad

quCaSi gamovides. mosaxleobac

fiqrobs, rom gamosavali

vadamdeli arCevnebia. saparlamento

arCevnebze TiTqmis milionamde

xma aiRo opoziciam. qu-

CaSi mosiarule yoveli meore

adamiani Cveni momxrea. am xalxis

mxardaWera opozicias zurgs umagrebs.

maT mxardaWeras yvlaferSi

vgrZnobT. SeiZleba, isini

mitingze ar movidnen, magram

viciT, rom Cven gviWeren mxars.

`Sida qarTlSi marTla bevri mxardamWeri hyavs. samegrelosTan erTad

gaxarias SeuZlia, Sida qarTlsac daeyrdnos. gaxarias gundi isev `qarTul

ocnebas~ Tu waarTmevs xmebs, Torem opoziciis xmebs ver waiRebs~

xalxi mzad aris cvlilebebisTvis,

gansakuTrebiT axla, roca

pandemiis pirobebSi kidev ufro

gauaresda yvela Cvenganis mdgomareoba.

isini darwmunebuli arian,

rom erTaderTi xsna vadamdeli

arCevnebia. „qarTuli ocneba”

mecxre welia, rac xelisuflebaSia

da am xnis manZilze

aranairi sasikeTo cvlileba ar

yofila. axali samuSao adgilebis

Seqmnis nacvlad isic ki dakarges,

rac aqamde iyo. Cveni moqalaqeebi

didi imediT elodebian

15 maisis aqcias. opoziciam

maT imedebi ar unda gavucruoT.

am dRes Zalian bevri adamiani

unda gamoviyvanoT quCaSi. „qar-

Tuli ocneba” mxolod Zalas uwevs

angariSs. quCaSi bevri xalxi

Tu gamova, Secvlian gadawyvetilebas,

politpatimrebsac gaaTavisufleben

da vadamdel arCevnebsac

daniSnaven.

_ Tqveni molodinebi cota

gadaWarbebuli xom ar aris?

sxva yvelafers rom Tavi davaneboT,

Tundac marto pandemi-

is gamo Seikaveben adamianebi

quCaSi gamosvlisgan Tavs.

_ es pandemia Zalian seriozuli

xelis SemSleli faqtoria.

vatyobT imasac, rom xelisufleba

qveynis Casaketad emzadeba.

apirebs saqalaqTaSoriso transportis

SezRudvas. kargad viciT,

rom bevri winaaRmdegoba Segvxvdeba,

magram ise midis saqme,

rom ukan dasaxevi gza ar gvaqvs.

yvelam erTad unda gavtexoT

SiSi da gamovideT quCaSi.

yvelas gasagonad minda vTqva,

rom es aqcia iqneba mSvidobiani.

arc kancelariis SturmiT

aRebas vapirebT da arc _ parlamentis.

wina wlebSic Cagvitarebia

msgavsi aqciebi, magram yvela

maTgani mSvidobianad dasrulebula.

imedia, xelisufleba provokaciebs

ar moawyobs.

mesmis, rom pandemiaa, magram

bevri adamiania gabrazebuli. am

xalxs unda Tavisufleba da qveynis

ganviTareba. samuSao adgilebis

Seqmnas iTxovs. samsaxuris

dakargvam xalxi kidev

ufro mZime dReSi Caagdo. ver

warmoidgenT, rogor uWirs adamianebs.

yvelaferi gaZvirebulia.

puris yidvac ki gaWirda.

xelisufleba Tu ar Seicvala,

mdgomareoba ufro damZimdeba.

`kalaZis ambavic saintereso iqneba, radgan

masac hyavs Tavisi gundi. swored es adamianebi

ugrovebdnen `qarTul ocnebas~ xmebs. gaxaria

da kalaZe rom gamovakloT, òcneba~

arCevnebSi, gayalbebis miuxedavad, 25%-sac ki

veRar aiRebs~

„qarTuli ocneba” arafris gamomsworebeli

ar aris. gavimeoreb:

quCaSi rac SeiZleba bevri

adamiani unda gamovides. darwmunebuli

var, asec iqneba, radgan

am xelisuflebaze Zalian bevri

adamiania gabrazebuli.

_ am xelisuflebaze bevri

adamiania gabrazebuli, magram

isini quCaSi imis SiSiTac ar gamodian,

rom vaiTu, xelisufle-

baSi isev „nacionalebi” dabrun-

dneno. xalxs isev eSinia Tqveni.

_ ar mgonia, rom adamianebs

„nacionalebis” dabrunebis eSinodeT.

amiT ivaniSvilis partia

aSinebda mosaxleobas. ambobda,

Cven Tu ar agvirCevT, „nacionalebi”

dabrundebian da Surs

iZiebeno. wina wlebSi es meTodi

Wrida, axla aRar Wris.

_ es meTodi axlac kargad

Wris.

_ Zalian cudi, Tu axlac

Wris. ar mesmis, ratom unda eSinodes

xalxs „nacionalebis”.

_ Tqveni warsulis gamo eSin-

iaT. „nacionalebs” ar gqondaT

sufTa warsuli.

_ ar vityvi, rom yvelafers

idealurad vakeTebdiT. Cvens

dros iyo Secdomebic da gadacdomebic.

is xalxi, vinc Zaladobas

sCadioda da visic sazogadoebas

eSinoda, mSvenivrad daportirdnen

„qarTul ocnebaSi”.

cota mikvirs, rom isev Cveni eSiniaT

da „qarTuli ocnebis” _

ara. minda, xalxs vkiTxo: Cvens

dros xojevaniSvili cudi Tu

iyo, axla ratom aris kargi?

igive SemiZlia vikiTxo murusiZesa

da CinCalaZeze. ararafers

vambob irakli SixiaSvilze. yvela

portirebulis CamoTvla

Sors wagviyvans. visac „nacionalebis”

dabrunebis eSinia, maT

gasagonad minda vTqva, rom Cven

erTpirovnulad ar vcdilobT

xelisuflebaSi dabrunebas. Cven

opoziciasTan erTad gvinda xelisuflebis

Secvla. gvsurs,

rom saqarTvelos hyavdes mravalpartiuli

parlamenti da koaliciuri

mTavroba. koaliciuri

mTavrobis dakompleqtebaSi „nacionalebi”

mokrZalebul wvlils

SevitanT.

_ es cota daujerebelia. yve-

laze meti amomrCeveli Tqven

gyavT da saeWvoa, mokrZalebu-

li wvliliT dakmayofildeT.

_ xalxis gadasawyvetia, vin

ramden procents aiRebs. Cven

erTpirovnulad arafers gadavwyvetT.

minda, vurCio sazogadoebas:

nu ahyvebian imaT, vinc ambobs,

rom „nacionalebi” Tu mobrundnen,

ra gveSvelebao. xom

scades 2012 wels sxva xelisuflebis

arCeva da airCies kidevac

„qarTuli ocneba”, eSvelaT

rame? maTi mosvlis Semdeg yvelaferi

uaresobisken wavida.

axla saqarTvelos sWirdeba koaliciuri

mmarTveloba. amas vadamdeli

arCevnebi moitans.

_ bevri opozicioneri ambobs,

rom koaliciuri mTavrobaa

saWiro. ratom ggoniaT, rom

koaliciuri mTavroba efeq-

tiani da uSecdomo iqneba?

_ koaliciuri mTavrobis dakompleqtebaSi

parlamentSi Sesuli

partiebi miiReben monawileobas.

partiebi erTmaneTs gaakontroleben.

aseT dros efeqtianobac

moimatebs da Secdomebic

naklebi iqneba. koaliciurma

mTavrobam Secdomebi rom ar

dauSvas, amaSi „nacionalebic”

SevitanT wvlils. ukve mecxre

welia, rac opoziciaSi varT. am

drois manZilze Cveni saqmianoba

bevrjer gavaanalizeT. detalurad

ganvixileT, Tu ra Secdomebi

davuSviT im cxra wlis man-

Zilze. gavaanalizeT, ra gavake-

TeT Zalian xistad da Zalian

swrafad. am Secdomebs aRar

gavimeorebT.

_ Tqvens dros Zaladobac

iyo. es ar gagianalizebiaT?

_ rogor ar gagvianalizebia.

Cven ar uarvyofT, rom Zalis

gadametebasac hqonda adgili. ar

dagvaviwydes, rom maSin xelisuflebaSi

„nacionalebis” saxiT

gamoucdeli gundi iyo mosuli

da aseT dros Secdomebi xdeba

xolme. amiT aravis vamarTleb,

magram minda, xalxma gaixsenos is

gamowvevebi, ris winaSec videqiT.

arsebobda Sida da agre safrTxeebi.

ruseTi moqmedebda Riad da

agresiulad. Zalian rTuli periodebi

gaviareT. aseT dros xisti

gadawyvetilebebis miReba giwevs.

Secdomebi da gadacdomebi

gvqonda, magram imas xom veravin

uaryofs, rom Cvens dros qveyana

win midioda? saqarTvelo Waobidan

amoviyvaneT da teritoria

saxelmwifod vaqcieT. Cveni xelisuflebis

dros gatarebuli

reformebic mtkivneuli gaxldaT,

magram iyo raRacebi, rasac

igivenairad gavakeTebdiT.

danarCen opoziciasTan erTad

gvinda xelisuflebis Secvla,

rom saqarTvelos marTavdes koaliciuri

mTavroba. ase rom, Tu

vinme Cveni dabrunebis SiSiT ikavebs

aqciaze gamosvlisgan Tavs,

cdeba.

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ès xalxi unda wavides,

„mglobaa Cveni drois beWedi

vano pavliaSvili

axla. vxedavT, ganvicdiT da mgl-

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obas gavdivarT iseTs, vaJam rom

RmerTs SehRaRada, mglobas amacileo.

TiTqos aRar gvikvirs, TiTqos miveCvieT mglobas, ma-

gram yovel jerze gvTrgunavs, gvapataravebs, gvacotavebs da

gvanadgurebs... karga xania, kalami ar momimarTavs da araferi

miTqvams TqvenTvis, magram getyviT, bevrs getyviT, gpirdebiT.

mominda, Cveni dReebisa da qristianobis erT-erTi gamor-

Ceuli da qrestomaTiuli dRe gagaxsenoT. am did dRes _ mirq-

mas _ Zveli da axali aRTqmis Sexvedris dRes, adamianisa da

RmerTis Sexvedris dRes, samebis taZarSi rom mibrZanda wlebiT

damZimebuli, aTas Wirnaxuli, rkaliviT moxrili, Seuracxyo-

fili, danerwyvili, Seginebuli, magram siyvaruliT savse

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baSi kvlav gvaswavla qristianoba _ Sendoba da siyvaruli.

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nestan kirTaZe:

erTi RmerTma icis, rogor

ikrebs fizikur Zalebs yovel

jerze locvisTvis, CvenTan Sesaxvedrad,

gasamxneveblad da siyvarulis

gasamravleblad.

am did dResac ase moxda, albaT.

mobrZanda da sul or sityvaSi

daatia qristianobis misteria

_ Sendoba da siyvaruli.

saqarTvelos grZeli Rame

grZeldeba...

isev ymuian mglebi moxuci

winamZRolis gasaglejad.

Rame da sibnelea maTi mokav-

Sire, Rame da sibnele aZlierebs

maT mglobas, RameSi unda moaswron,

Torem ganaTdeba da samarcxvinod

gaiZurwebian, icodeT.

am dros cremli maxrCobs, am

dros ioane oqropiris istoriuli

ambavi maxsendeba, romelic,

raRacnairad, erT dRes saqarTveloSic

ganmeordeba, mgonia.

dRegrZeli iyaviT, Tqveno uwmindesobav,

yvela drois gamor-

Ceulo da dido patriarqo. gviyvarxarT

da icodeT, _ dedamiwaze

Cveni stumrobis dros rom

movniSnavT CvenTvis, sxvisTvis,

istoriisTvis, erT mTavar droze

mivaniSnebT mxolod da Tavaweuli

vityviT, rom Cven Tqveni

Tanamedroveni varT.

xom gaxsovT, filipem rom uTxra

makedonelebs, ise.

RmerTma mgloba agaciloT,

siyvaruli gagvimravlos RmerTma”,

_ es sityvebi ramdenime dRis

win socialur qselSi politikosma

da istorikosma nestan kir-

TaZem dawera.

is, rom adamiani adamianisTvis

mgelia (Homo homini lupus est, _

laT.), axali ar gaxlavT. axali

arc isaa, politikuri klasi

erTgvarad rom gairyvna da swored

amitomac ambobs Cemi respondenti,

rom droa, maT, vinc ramdenime

aTeuli welia, politikaSi

trialeben, Tavi dagvanebon

da TavianT profesiebs mixedon.

sxvaTa Soris, nestan kirTaZe

qveyanaSi mimdinare procesebs

sxva algoriTmiT xsnis da pretenziebi

mxolod xelisuflebas-

Tan ki ara, opoziciasTanac aqvs.

mokled, rogor daiwera qar-

Tuli politkrizisis scenari da

rodis damTavrdeba politmaskaradi?

„qronika+~ nestan kirTaZes

esaubra:

_ qalbatono nestan, didi

xania, ar SegxmianebivarT.

rogor xarT?

_ saqarTvelos Sesaferad.

_ da saqarTvelo rogoraa?

_ mZime viTarebaSi _ vgulisxmob

im did safrTxeebs, romelic

Cveni regionis urTuless

xvedrze mianiSnebs.

_ „urTuless xvedrSi” erdo-

Ranis iniciativas gulisxmobT,

romelic e. w. eqvsTakavSiris

Seqmnas iTvaliswinebs?

_ es formula naklebad mosalodnelia,

Tumca yarabaRis omis

Sedegebi ar unda daviviwyoT.

_ anu?

_ am SemTxvevaSi, yuradRebas

vamaxvileb samxreT kavkasiaSi

ori didi aqtoris, SeiZleba iTqvas,

imperiis Semosvlaze. amasTan,

Cemi azriT, yoveldRe vuaxlovdebiT

im dros, roca saqarTveloze

ruseTis federaciis axlandeli

gavlenebi kidev metad

gaizardos!

_ damisabuTeT, amas ris

safuZvelze ambobT?

_ Sida politikuri viTareba,

xelisufleba da, saerTod, mTeli

politikuri speqtri Zalian

arasaxelmwifoebrivad moazrovnea,

anu 21-e saukunis saqarTvelos

xelisuflebaSi mosasvlelad

moumzadebeli aRmoCnda da

qveynis sazianod SesaZloa, tragikuli

nabijebic gadadgas! ase-

Ti urTulesi viTarebis dros

xelisufleba da opozicia umwifari

ar unda iyos! arada, es viTareba

saqarTvelos farglebs gascda

da yvelafer imas, rac Cven-

Tan xdeba, dasavleTis didi saxelmwifoebi

ganixilaven da afaseben.

diax, Zalian vwuxvar, rom

saqarTvelos am etapze saxelmwifoebrivad,

moralurad, zneobrivad,

politikurad da erovnulad

rogorc xelisuflebaSi,

aseve opoziciaSic msgavsi umwifari

ganfeniloba aqvs!

_ qalbatono nestan, xelisuflebisa

da opoziciis umwi-

froba raSi gamoixateba?

_ amis Sesaxeb mxolod Tqven-

Tan ki ara, ucxoel kolegebTan

adrec Zalian xSirad misaubria.

simarTle giTxraT, SeTqmulebis

TeoriebSi Sesvla ar minda,

magram ruseTi ukrainasTan, praqtikulad,

omis zRvarze imyofeba,

rac aRmosavleT regionisTvis

urTulesi droa. amis miuxedavad,

darwmunebuli var, rom

`qarTul

politikaSi

koleqtiuri sergo

orjonikiZeebi

arian!~

ruseTi hibriduli, teqnologiuri,

politikuri, ideologiuri

Tu agenturuli muSaobisTvis

dros ar kargavs, anu ruseTs

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Tavi qudSi aqvs da yoveli politikuri

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_ yvelafer amaSi ruseTs mx-

olod xelisufleba uwyobs

xels Tu _ opoziciac?

_ am kuTxiT xelisufleba

gacilebiT martiv viTarebaSia.

_ ratom?

_ dasavluri instituciuri,

diplomatiuri da sxva arxebi,

pirvel rigSi, xelisuflebisgan

iTxoven pasuxs da yvelafers

zedamxedvelobis ki ara, im xelSekrulebebis

principiT akontroleben,

romlebzec saqarTvelos

xeli aqvs mowerili. amiT

man sakuTari uflebebis delegireba

moaxdina.

_ romel xelSekrulebebze

saubrobT, qalbatono nestan?

_ evrokavSirTan asocirebis

xelSekrulebasa da aSS-sTan _

strategiuli partniorobis qartias.

mokled, xelisufleba,

romeli politikuri Zalac unda

iyos, dasavleTs da aSS-sac mudmivi

yuradRebis centrSi hyavs

da sxvanairi tipis erT nabijsac

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is yoveldRe, praqtikulad,

saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg

muSaobs!

_ es skandaluri gancxadebaa!

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raRacebi Tqvas, ver

damarwmunebs...

_ ukacravad, konvertebiT

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ugzavnis?

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`darwmunebuli var, rom ruseTi hibriduli,

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oqtombris arCevnebis mere daiwyo,

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_ simarTle giTxraT, ver vx-

vdebi, saubari saiTken migyavT?..

_ xelisufleba calkea, xalxi

ki _ calke da igives Tqma opoziciasa

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ainteresebs, rom es azri Tanmimdevrulad

ganaviTaros. im detalebSi,

xels vin raze awers da

raze _ ara, ar Seval.

_ ratom ar SexvalT?

_ is politikuri maskaradebi

da mTeli seriali, romelic xelisuflebam

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dasavleTis gancxadebebi Sei-

Zleba, zomieri, mkacri an ufro

mkacri iyos, magram yvelaferi es

im udides interesebs emsaxureba,

romelic evrogaerTianebasa

da aSS-s msoflio geopolitikuri

interesebisTvs sWirdeba!

diax, sword Cveni geopolitikuri

mdebareoba gvSvelis,

rom dRes dasavleTs saqarTvelo

ise sWirdeba, rogorc arasdros.

saqarTvelosac dasavle-

Tis mxardaWera dRes ise sWirdeba,

rogorc arasdros!

_ amaSi geTanxmebiT, magram

amixseniT, is politikuri kriz-

isi, romelsac weRan maskaradi

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aucileblad unda wavides!~

uwodeT, xelisuflebasa da

opozicias risTvis sWirdebaT?

_ xelisufleba gavlenebs inarCunebs,

opozicia ki Tavisi

gavlenebis dabrunebas cdilobs,

Torem saxelmwifosken mimarTuli

nabiji arc erT mxares gadaudgams

da arc _ meores!

_ Tqveni varaudiT, es maskaradi

rodis da riT dasrulde-

ba?

_ mas Semdeg, rac Cvens mezobel

somxeTSi vadamdeli arCevnebi

dainiSna, Zalian bevri eqsperti

ambobs, rom umravlesobaSi

prorusuli Zalebi movlen.

_ SeiZleba, magram Cems kiTx-

vasTan es ra kavSirSia?

_ Cvens qveyanaSi imdeni winaa-

Rmdegobaa, rom ukve xalxi gamodis,

xalxi, romelsac arc erTi

mxare imCnevs da arc _ meore.

mokled, xalxi imas ki ar iTxovs,

ai, erTi an ori lari mogvimateo.

ara, xalxi samSoblos mcveli

gaxda! sxvaTa Soris, is adamianebi,

romlebic, magaliTad, rionis

xeobas icaven, axalgazrdebi

arian. es axalgazrdebi male yvela

regions moicaven. me da Tqven,

vano, politikaSi davberdiT, magram

aseTi ram aqamde ar gvinaxavs,

Tu im procesebs ar CavTvliT,

romelic saqarTvelos damoukideblobis

winare periodSi

iyo.

_ raki rionis xeobis mcvelebi

axseneT, aqve gkiTxavT: namaxvanhesis

sawinaaRmdego sapro-

testo aqciebSi opozicia, rog-

orc ityvian, didi doziT araa

CarTuli. iziarebT mosazrebas,

rom am kuTxiT „gasvrili” mx-

olod xelisufleba ki ara,

opoziciac, anu mTeli poli-

tikuri speqtria?

_ Cemi saubris sfero is ar

gaxlavT, vin gasvrilia da vin _

ara. es man gamoikvlios, vinc am

TemiTaa dainteresebuli.

Cemi interesis erTaderTi sagani

samSoblo da misi momavalia!

SemiZlia, pirdapir vTqva: es

xelisufleba da opozicia rogorc

sakuTar yurebs ver dainaxaven,

aseve ver dainaxaven saku-

Tar Tavs momaval xelisufleba-

Si! araerTxel miTqvams da kidev

erTxel vityvi: Tu vinme dRes

revoluciasa da rame tipis qartexilebze

laparaks gabedavs, me,

rogorc istorikosi, yvelafer

amas Cems momaval wignSi erTi

sityviT Cavwer: eseni koleqtiuri

sergo orjonikiZeebi arian!

_ xelisuflebac da opozici-

ac?

_ yvela, vinc saqarTveloSi

revoluciur qartexilebs gabedavs!

_ dRes revolucia „ocnebas”

ufro awyobs Tu xelisufle-

bas?

_ es ra kiTxvaa? xom viciT,

revoluciisken vinc iltvis?!

_ piradad me, ar vici.

_ xelisufleba Tavisi gavlenebis

SesanarCuneblad ibrZvis!

opozicia ki absoluturad rusuli

banakia!

`xelisufleba, romeli politikuri Zalac unda iyos, dasavleTs da aSS-sac

mudmivi yuradRebis centrSi hyavs da sxvanairi tipis erT nabijsac ki ar

apatiebs. rac Seexeba opozicias, is yoveldRe, praqtikulad, saqarTvelos

winaaRmdeg muSaobs!~

_ uime, ras ambobT, qalba-

tono nestan!

_ ras vambob da pirdapir gelaparakebiT.

Tu saqarTveloSi putinis

vasalebi gabedaven, rom

rame tipis qartexilebis procesi

wavides da qveyana isev rusul

wiaRs daubrunon, naxavT, saqar-

TveloSi ra procesebic daiwyeba!

_ rogor SeiZleba, rusuli

banaki iyos, roca opozicia

gavrilovisa da pozneris viz-

itebs xmaurianad aprotestebda

da aprotestebs?

_ vano, Zalian didi bodiSi,

magram axalgazrda politikoss

ar esaubrebiT! ra pozneris Camosvlis

gaprotestebazea saubari,

roca igi saqarTveloSi sam

TveSi erTxel Camodis da mag

opoziciuri banakis zogierTi

warmomadgeneli poznerTan interviuebze

yelmoRerebuli keklucobs?!

_ burjanaZes gulisxmobT?

_ ra mniSvneloba aqvs, vis

vgulisxmob. yvelam yvelaferi

Zalian kargad icis! rac Seexeba

gavrilovs, vinc igi moiwvia, absoluturad

provokaciuli qmedeba

Caidina, magram is, rac mis

Camosvlas mohyva, politikosebis

ki ara, axalgazrdebis gamarjveba

gaxldaT! sxvaTa Soris,

Tbilisis wyaldidobis drosac

axalgazrdebi gamovidnen quCa-

Si...

_ pozneris vizitic swored

axalgazrdebma gaaprotestes...

_ es dadgmuli provokacia

iyo, romelic moskovelma re-

`xalxi imas ki ar iTxovs, ai, erTi an ori

lari mogvimateo. ara, xalxi samSoblos

mcveli gaxda! sxvaTa Soris, is adamianebi,

romlebic, magaliTad, rionis xeobas icaven,

axalgazrdebi arian. es axalgazrdebi male

yvela regions moicaven~

Jisorebma da Tbiliselma Semsruleblebma

absoluturad orkestrirebulad

ganaxorcieles!

_ ra amis pasuxia da im SemTxvevaSi,

Tuki mediaciaSi aSS CaerTveba

da aprilis bolos TbilisSi

saxelmwifo mdivani Cam-

ova, amiT politikuri krizisi

ganimuxteba?

_ aSS Sida politikur procesebs

ki ar gadawyvets, aramed

saqarTvelos teritoriul mTlianobaze,

usafrTxoebaze, nato-sa

da sxva Temebze umniSvnelovanesi

gzavnilebi kidev erTxel,

ase vTqvaT, gakeTdeba!

yvela es sakiTxi saqarTvelos

saxelmwifosTan mniSvnelovnadaa

dakavSirebuli, vinaidan Tavad

aSS Cvens qveyanasTan sisxlxorceuladaa

dakavSirebuli.

amitom misTvis sulerTi ar

aris, saqarTveloSi rogori

politikuri sistema iqneba!

erTi sityviT, aSS-is saxelmwifo

mdivani aq saqarTvelos

„gasarozgad” ar Camova!

_ ukacravad, „garozgva” ra

SuaSia? ise, qalbatono nestan,

ar gewyinoT da, meCveneba, rom

ar gindaT, xelisufleba daT-

mobaze wavides.

_ ar vici, ra geCvenebaT, magram

imas vambob, rac vici.

_ ra iciT?

_ Tuki xelisufleba da opozicia

saxelmwifoebrivad mniSvnelovan

nabijebs ar gadadgamen,

orives cali fexi ukve politikur

warsulSi aqvs!

warmoudgenelia da ukve aRar

SeiZleba, rom feodaluri azrovnebis

30-wliani sifaTebi poziciebidan

ar midiodnen! naxeT, ra

xdeba da analizi gaakeTeT!

_ ra xdeba an risi analizi

gavakeTo, qalbatono nestan?

_ partiebi iSleba da cnobili

saxeebi midian, magram es SeuTavseblobis

ki ara, imis gamoa, rom

sakuTari resursi amowures. visac

ra SeeZlo, gaafuWa da saqarTveloSi

qva qvaze ar datova.

erTi sityviT, es xalxi unda

wavides, aucileblad unda wavides!

ar SeiZleba, rom televiziaSi

isev es saxeebi isxdnen da

danarCen saqarTvelos Wkuas aswavlidnen!

parlamentSi rom

movedi da politikuri kariera

daviwye, sruliad axalgazrda

viyavi, axla ki 20 wlis SviliSvili

myavs. azrze xarT, ramdeni

dro gavida? kidev es adamianebi,

es sifaTebi da kidev es uniWo

xalxi! ra ambavia, bolos da bolos!

nuTu, profesia ar aqvT,

rom am xalxs Tavi daanebon da

TavianT saqmes mixedon?!

_ bolos, qalbatono nestan,

yvelafer zemoTqmulis miuxe-

davad, vadamdel arCevnebs Tu

elodebiT da politikuri kriz-

isi amiT ganimuxteba?

_ ar mimaCnia, rom es politikuri

krizisia.

_ aba, ra aris?

_ pirdapir getyviT: es absoluturad

xelovnuri krizisia.

_ amas ratom ambobT?

_ vano, Tqvenc, rogorc Jurnalistma

da mec, rogorc amomrCevelma,

jer kidev maSin, roca

saarCevno maraToni daiwyo, zustad

vicodiT, rom am tipis scenari

mzaddeboda!

_ simarTle giTxraT, me

araferi vicodi...

_ piradad me vicodi, rom „qarTuli

ocneba”, rogorc mmar-

Tveli xelisufleba, axal parlamentSi

ramdenime nawilad gaixliCeboda.

dRes yvelaferi swored

am gawerili scenariT xdeba.

mokled, yoveldRe Cans, rom

politikuri krizisebi sakuTar

partiebSi aqvT _ iSlebian. bolos

da bolos, partiis Tavmjdomareebi

midian da iciT, es

risi niSania?

_ risi?

_ rogorc giTxariT, krizisi

Tavad partiebSia da saxelmwifo

krizisze ar unda ilaparakon,

radgan orive flangma saxelmwifo

ukiduress krizisamde miiyvana,

magram xalxi iRviZebs da

orive flangs istoriis sanagveze

gauSvebs!

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„TiToeulma Tqvenganma kargad

iciT, rom varT giorgi gaxarias

gundis wevrebi, Tanamoazreebi da

gvaerTianebs saerTo Rirebulebebi

da faseulobebi. axali ambavi

gaxlavT is, rom Cven dReidan gaxariasTan

erToblivi gadawyvetilebiT

gadavdivarT partiis mSeneblobis

axal fazaze, vtovebT

„qarTul ocnebas” da saqmianobas

gavagrZelebT, rogorc damoukidebeli

deputatebi.

Cven viyaviT „qarTuli ocnebis”

wevrebi da viziarebT im warmatebebsa

da warumateblobebs,

rac am periodSi moxda. amave

dros, viRebT pasuxismgeblobas

Secdomebzec da swored pasuxismgeblobis

grZnobiT vdgamT am

nabijs. Cveni qveyana dgas seriozuli

gamowvevebis winaSe. moqalaqeebs

uwevT yoveldRiur reJim-

Si gamklaveba iseTi problemebis

winaSe, rogoric aris pandemia,

ekonomikuri krizisi, siduxWire.

es is problemebia, romelic Cvens

moqalaqeebsa da mosaxleobas ainteresebs

da ara politikuri partiebis

dausrulebeli dapirispireba

da kinklaoba. Cven am

problemebs vxedavT, ar gveSinia

misTvis Tvalis gasworebis da simarTlis

Tqmis. samomavlo gegmebze

gundis liderTan erTad detalurad

mogaxsenebT. Cveni Tanamoazre

aris aseve mixeil dauSvili.

is amJamad kovidinficirebulia,

vusurvebT mas janmrTelobas.

darwmunebuli var, igi

male SemouerTdeba Cvens yoveld-

Riur saqmianobas”, ganacxada 12

aprils parlamentSi gamarTul

sagangebo brifingze giorgi xojevaniSvilma,

romelic imTaviTve

eqspremieris marjvenaxelad miiCneoda.

mokled, gaxariac „ocnebas”

gmobs da ra moxdeba im SemTxveva-

Si, Tu eqspremieri ityvis, „ocnebis”

xelisuflebidan gasaSve-

bad gaerTianebuli opoziciis

mxardamxar unda vibrZoloo? _

am da sxva aqtualuri Temebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+~ „nacionaluri

moZraobis” axal saxes, giorgi

xvedelians esaubra:

_ giorgi, qveyana TiTqmis isea

areuli, rogorc _ 90-ian wleb-

Si... politikuri krizisi, ekon-

omikuri siduxWire, namoxvanhesis

problemebi _ yvelaferi es erTi

jaWvia?

_ diax, erTmaneTTan kavSirSi

im gagebiTaa, rom xelisufleba

ise iqceva, rogorc iqceva.

_ da xelisufleba rogor

iqceva?

_ daviwyoT imiT, rom xelisufleba

opozicias ar elaparakeba,

riTac politikur kriziss qmnis;

aseve ar elaparakeba xalxs, riTac

namoxvanhesTan dakavSirebul

kriziss qmnis.

marTalia, xelisufleba saer-

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`nika meliam sakuTari politikuri

„qarTul ocnebaSi” didi, Zali-

vano pavliaSvili

an didi ambebia, anu marTalia,

595 48 35 85 „meocnebeebi” ar imCneven, magram

giorgi

SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac Cans,

rom mmarTvel elitas sakuTari wevrebi emijnebian. ai, magal-

iTad, ramdenime dRis win eqvsma deputatma, romelic arcTu

Soreul warsulSi „ocnebis” mzes ificebda, sjarod ganacxa-

xvedeliani:

da, umravlesobas vtovebo. saubaria e. w. gaxarias gundze,

romelic „ocnebas” „laiTad” akritikebs.

`Cven

koaliciuri

mmarTveloba

gvWirdeba~

TaSoriso sazogadoebas elaparakeba,

magram misgan arafers

iziarebs da iTvaliswinebs. amis

gamo saparlamento boikotirebac

grZeldeba. garda amisa, „ocnebas”

sasamarTlo da prokuratura

jibeSi aqvs Cadebuli. ager, opoziciis

lideri cixeSia. erTi sityviT,

xelisufleba iseTia, rogoric

aris _ standartebi ar gaaCnia.

saxelmwifo jibeSi aqvs Casmuli

da sazogadoebis interesebs

sakuTari ekonomikuri interesebis

sasargeblod marTavs.

_ Tqveni azriT, xelisuflebas

amdeni krizisis Seqmna ratom aw-

yobs?

_ „ocnebas” mxardaWera ar gaaCnia.

_ SigniT, xalxisgan Tu qvey-

nis garedan?

_ Cven rom demokratiuli saxelmwifo

gvqondes, „ocneba” xelisuflebaSi

saerTod ar iqneboda,

anu Cven realuri sasamarTlo

rom gvqondes, „ocnebas” imis Sesa-

Zlebloba ar eqneboda, ekonomikurad

ise esargebla. arc farcxalaZeebi

iqnebodnen, arc Svidasi

milionis moparvis magaliTebi

iarsebebda da arc _ „atkatebi”.

„ocnebas” xelisuflebaSi yofna

imitom unda, rom mdirdebodes

da yvelaferi jibeSi edos. demokratiuli

procesi rom iyos, maSin

xelisuflebaSi namdvilad ver

iqneboda!

_ ise, Tavis droze, roca mo-

laparakebebi CaiSala, opoziciis

liderebma dasavleTis misamar-

TiT mZafri gancxadebebi gaa-

keTes. giorgi, iziarebT versias,

rom dasavleTma opozicia, ubra-

lod, „fexze daikida” da „oc-

nebasTan” garigebaSi Sevida?

_ aq „garigebaze” araa saubari.

_ aba, razea?

_ Cven standarts vayalibebT.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ dasavleTis sazogadoebas

veubnebiT, rogor qveyanaSi gvinda

cxovreba. warmoidgineT,

rTul regionSi varT.

_ diax, es yvelam viciT...

_ Cveni mezoblebis demokratiuli

da samarTlebrivi standarti

arcTu saxarbieloa. amitom

dasavluri liberaluri demokratiis

standartebis winaSe meti

pasuxismgebloba gvqonda. axla ki

yvelaferi es mcirdeba da Cven partniorebs

unda vanaxoT, rom ise-

Ti qveyana gvinda, sadac xelisuflebas,

magaliTad, 3-dan 5-procentamde

saarCevno fora ar eqneba.

Cvens gasakeTebels, rasakvirvelia,

sxva ver gaakeTebs, magram

swored imis gamo, rom icis, yvelaferi

es Cveni gasakeTebelia, xelisufleba

Tavis yvela infrastruqturas

im mimarTulebiT amuSavebs,

rom Zala gamogvacalos,

imedi dagvakargvinos da gvaTqmevinos,

araferi gamova da imaze meti

ar SegviZlia, rasac vakeTebTo.

dRes xalxi yvelaze metad

negatiuradaa ganwyobili, magram

yvelafers iTmens da mTavari

problemac swored esaa.

_ xalxi, anu me, Tqven da sxva

ratom viTmenT?

_ imitom ki ar viTmenT, rom

mogvwons, aramed viTmenT imitom,

rom gvajereben, _ azri ar aqvs,

verafers vizamTo. yvelanairi

propaganda swored am mimarTulebiT

muSaobs.

_ im SemTxvevaSi, Tuki aSS

saqarTvelos Sida problemebiT

ufro aqtiurad dainteresdeba,

amiT viTareba Seicvleba?

_ dasavleTi am sakiTxs, rasakvirvelia,

principulad ar moeSveba

da arc imas Seegueba, rom xelisufleba

ase iqceva. amitom imedi

maqvs, rom evropuli da aseve

amerikuli mxarec qarTvel xalxs

ufro daexmareba da „ocnebas” im

nabijs gadaadgmevinebs, romli-

Tac Cveni institutebi gamyardeba.

laparakia sasamarTlosa da

saarCevno kodeqsze. xelisufleba

imdeni procentiT unda gvmar-

Tavdes da parlamentSi imdeni

deputati hyavdes, ramden xmasac

miiRebs.

_ es, cxadia, ase unda iyos,

magram sxva rames gekiTxebiT, anu

gamoricxavT, amerikelebma „ocnebas”

plebiscitis Catareba ai-

Zulon, opozicias ki _ parlamentSi

Sesvla da mTeli es poli-

tikuri bakqanalia amiT damTav-

rdes?

_ xom iciT, dasavleTi ruseTisgan

riTac gansxvavdeba?

_ vici, magram kidev erTxel

vTqvaT...

_ dasavleTs aseTi tipis moTxovnebi

ar aqvs, anu dasavleTi

rekomendaciebs iZleva da mogviwodebs,

rom Tu masTan TanamSromloba

gvinda, garkveul principebs

vuerTguloT. amerikelebis CarTulobac,

nebismier SemTxvevaSi, am

tipis iqneba. simarTle giTxraT,

namdvilad ar mjera, rom romelime

Cveni dasavleli partniori

nika melias, romelic cixeSi

sruliad SeTiTxnili braldebi-

Taa, daiviwyebs da am sakiTxs pirvel

adgilze ar gamoitans.

_ ki batono, magram giorgi,

medals ori mxare aqvs da SevTanxmdeT,

rom patimroba nika me-

`nino burjanaZe iqneba Tu anzor biwaZe,

gayalbebul arCevnebze problema am

adamianebsac aqvT. ai, magaliTad, rodesac

oligarqi plaxatniuki moldovidan gaaqcies,

Zalian mkveTrad prorusuli da

prodasavluri partiebi erTad dadgnen, mere

ki yvela Tavis gzaze wavida. qalbatoni

burjanaZe Tavisi politikuri partiis

lideria, romelic gayalbebul arCevnebs

aprotestebs da vadamdelis daniSvnas iTxovs~

liasTvisac erTgvarad momgebiania.

yovel SemTxvevaSi, imis Sansi,

rom misgan qarTveli Ce gev-

ara dadges, namdvilad arsebobs...

_ sazogadoeba, rasakvirvelia,

dadebiTad afasebs, roca adamiani

sakuTar Rirsebas icavs. meliam ki

sakuTari Rirseba daicva.

_ rogor?

_ ukanono giraos gadaxdaze

uari Tqva, anu ganacxada, Tqven

iseT mdgomareobaSi mayenebT, rom

Cems adamianur da politikur

Rirsebaze uari vTqva, fuli gadavixado

da Tavisufleba mqondes,

magram aseT Tavisuflebas

cixeSi yofna da politikuri da

adamianuri Rirsebis SenarCuneba

mirCevniao.

_ asea Tu ise, Tundac xelisuflebis

Secvlis Semdeg am patim-

robiT melia darCeba mogebuli,

ara?

_ Zalian rTulia, rom ukanono

patimrobaze aseTi Sefaseba gavakeToT,

magram mogebuli yovelTvis

is iqneba, vinc adamianur da

politikur Rirsebas SeinarCunebs.

_ keTili... giorgi, axla is

miTxariT, oRond gulwrfelad,

_ im „nervebis omSi”, romelic 31

oqtombris arCevnebis Semdeg daiwyo,

opozicia ra Secdomebs uS-

vebs?

_ garkveul Secdomas yvela da,

maT Soris, albaT, opoziciac uSvebs.

_ kerZod?

_ meti muSaoba gvWirdeba, rom

xelisuflebis im propagandas,

romelic adamianebs Zalas aclis,

ufro metad davupirispirdeT,

magram aseTi tipis xelisuflebis

pirobebSi opozicia bevri ramiT

ganiaraRebulia.

_ cudad ar gamigoT da, ar

SeiZleba, yvelaferi sxvas, am

SemTxvevaSi, xelisuflebas daabraloT.

ai, magaliTad, saprotesto

aqciebis gadadebaSi xelisu-

fleba ra SuaSia? ar sjobda,

xalxi 15 maisamde Sekrebiliyo an

adamianebi axla rogor unda

daarwmunoT, rom 15 maiss quCaSi

aucileblad unda gamovidnen?

_ Cveni mTavari amocanaa, rom

xalxs kidev erTxel vuTxraT: im

mdgomareobas, raSic „qarTulma

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da adamianuri Rirseba daicva!~

ocnebam” gagvxvia, nu viTmenT!

_ adamianebi amboben, rom ar

moviTminoT, ra gavakeToT _ „ocneba”

rom wava, vin mova, isev „na-

cebi” unda dabrundneno? anu

faqtia, eleqtorats aRarc xe-

lisuflebis sjera da aRarc _

opoziciis...

_ laparaki imaze araa, rom „nacebi”

unda dabrundnen.

_ Tu ara „nacebi”, aba, vin,

burjanaZe?

_ erTi wuTiT...

_ ki batono, gismenT...

_ Cven prinicipulad axal fazaSi

gadavediT.

_ romel fazaSi?

_ Cven koaliciuri mmarTveloba

gvWirdeba. 2012 wlidan swored

aqeTken wavediT, magram am xelisuflebis

gamo iq misvla davagvianeT.

rac Seexeba „nacionalur

moZraobas”, is mTavari opoziciuri

Zala, yvelaze didi partia da

gamarTuli institutia, amitom,

ra Tqma unda, avangardSi iqneba,

Tumca am proceSi sxva partiebic

CaerTvebian. es aris da es.

_ gasagebia, magram ai, magali-

Tad, ramdenime dRis win, roca e.

w. gaerTianebulma opoziciam

regionebSi gasvla daiwyo, vTq-

vaT, „strategia aRmaSeneblis”

warmomadgenlebi ver vnaxe. samagierod,

„nacionalebis” lidereb-

is gverdiT anzor biwaZe idga.

hoda, nino burjanaZis prodasavluri

opoziciis avangardSi dgoma

prodasavluri amomrCev-

lisTvis misaRebia?

_ nino burjanaZe iqneba Tu

anzor biwaZe, gayalbebul arCevnebze

problema am adamianebsac

aqvT. ai, magaliTad, rodesac oligarqi

plaxatniuki moldovidan

`saakaSvils qveyanaSi Camosvlisa da politikur saqmianobaSi monawileobis

SesaZlebloba unda hqondes~

gaaqcies, Zalian mkveTrad prorusuli

da prodasavluri partiebi

erTad dadgnen, mere ki yvela

Tavis gzaze wavida. qalbatoni

burjanaZe Tavisi politikuri

partiis lideria, romelic gayalbebul

arCevnebs aprotestebs da

vadamdelis daniSvnas iTxovs.

_ ki batono, magram amomrCev-

elSi sxva ganwyobaa.

_ gasagebia, magram es adamianebi

nino burjanaZes nu miscemen

xmas da eg iqneba.

_ vTqvaT, 31 oqtombris

arCevnebi politikaSi opozicio-

neris mantiiT dabrunebulma

giorgi gaxariamac gayalbebulad

aRiara, vadamdeli moiTxova da

survili gamoTqva, rom opozici-

is gverdiT dadges, ras izamT?

_ gaxaria pirdapir am arCevnebis

gayalbebasa da jibeSi Cade-

basTana dakavSirebuli.

_ SeiZleba, magram warmoidgi-

neT, rom eqspremierma moinania da

Tqva, Secdoma davuSvi da axla am

Secdomis

gamosasworeblad

opoziciis mxardamxar vibrZvio...

_ es Zalian spekulanturi

saubaria.

_ ratom?

_ Tu ase moxdeba, maSin is ukve

gaxaria aRar iqneba.

_ aba, vin iqneba?

_ sxva subieqti iqneba. saer-

Tod, Tu gaxaria ityvis, rom

uzurpator ivaniSvils xeli Sevuwyve,

rom gayalbebuli arCevnebiT

xelisuflebaSi darCeniliyoo,

maSin pasuxismgebloba Tavadac

unda aiRos. Tu ase moxdeba, is

ukve, rogorc giTxariT, sxva subieqti

iqneba, romelsac sxvanairad

miudgebi, magram es sakiTxi

dRis wesrigSi axla ar dgas!

_ giorgi, kidev erT Temas

SevexoT, romelzedac, Tu ar

vcdebi, adrec visaubreT, anu

„nacionaluri moZraobis” Secdo-

ma xom araa, rom dRes, roca nika

melia sapatimroSia, saqarTvelos

mesame prezident mixeil saakaSvilisTvis,

politdevnilis sta-

tusis miniWebas ar iTxovs da

saerTod, enm am adamianis Sesa-

Zleblobebs ratom ar iyenebs?

_ piradad me mudmivad vambob,

rom saakaSvils qveyanaSi Camosvlisa

da politikur saqmianobaSi

monawileobis SesaZlebloba unda

hqondes.

_ Tqven ki ambobT, magram er-

Tia, sajaro gancxadebebi da meore

_ oficialur molaparakebe-

bze am sakiTxis dasma...

_ am sakiTxze saakaSvilic da

Sesabamisad, partiac ikavebs Tavs.

_ ratom?

_ es Zveli sakiTxia.

_ ukacravad, siZvele ra Sua-

Sia?

_ am situaciaSi bevri axali

subieqtia.

_ anu?

_ es sakiTxi raRac jgufisTvis

SesaZloa, problemuri iyos. mokled,

am Temaze Tavad saakaSvili

ikavebs Tavs da ar ambobs, es Tema

molaparakebebze daayeneTo, Tumca

„nacionaluri moZraobis”

poziciaa, rom saakaSvils saqarTveloSi

Camosvla da politikuri

saqmianobis ganxorcieleba unda

SeeZlos.

_ saubari sakaSvilis konte-

qstSi davamTavroT: anu Tavis

droze, roca xelisuflebaSi iyo

da maSindeli opozicia aqcias

aqciaze marTavda, saakaSvilma

ganacxada, me rom opoziciaSi

viyo, „nacionaluri moZraobis”

xelisuflebas erT dReSi da-

vamTavrebdio. mokled, rogor

fiqrobT, dRevandeli opozicia

„ocnebas” eqsprezidentis aqti-

urobis gareSe daaxevinebs ukan?

_ mixeil saakaSvili Zalian seriozuli

politikuri resursia.

_ ras gulisxmobT?

_ wlebia, qveyanaSi ar aris, magram

miuxedavad amisa, ramdenime

aseuli aTasi mxardamWeri hyavs.

amitom am procesSi mniSvnelovan

rols namdvilad Seasrulebs

da asrulebs kidec. mixeil saakaSvils

ukrainaSi Tavisi politikuri

kariera aqvs, magram yvelafers

akeTebs, rom ivaniSvilis xelisufleba

swrafad Seicvalos.

_ vnaxoT, ra moxdeba... war-

matebas gisurvebT, giorgi.

SesaZloa, studentebi swavlis gareSe darCnen. xe-

zuka nemsaZe

lisuflebis warmomadgenlebisgan xSirad gvesmis,

rom ganaTleba prioritetuli unda iyos, magram

amisTvis arafers akeTebs. ganaTleba marTlac mniSvnelovani iaraRia saxelmwi-

foebrivi zrdisTvis da saukeTeso momavlisTvis.

21-e saukunis uxilavi mteri, „kovid 19“,

am sakiTxSic ki Zlieri aRmoCnda: mis kiserzea

qveyanaSi da msoflioSi Seqmnili

ekonomikuri krizisi, samsaxuris gareSe

darCeneli adamianebi, fasebis zrda sxvadasxva

produqtze, aqedan gamomdinare,

problemebis kaskadi daatydaT Tavs studentTa

ojaxebs.

bevrma pirvelkurselma, pandemiis gamo,

statusi SeiCera. zogierTi maTgani ambobs,

es imitom gaakeTa, rom ganaTlebis sistemaSi

problemaa da srulfasovan ganaTlebas

onlainswavlebiT ver miiRebdnen, amitom

gadawyvites, rom statusi SeeCerebinaT.

„vfiqrob, rom ver miviRebdi srulfasovan

ganaTlebas onlainswavlebiT, amitomac

gadavwyvite ameRo akademiuri”, _ ganacxada

„qronika+“-sTan erT-erTma studentma.

studentTa umravlesoba ki ekonomikur

mdgomareobas asaxelebs mizezad:

„CemTan aseTi problema iyo: pirveli

talRis dros, roca onlianswavlebaze

gadagviyvanes, gadaxdili mqonda Tanxa, amitom

pirveli kursi uproblemad davxure.

meore kursis dasawyisSi ki mivxvdvi, rom

ojaxi ver SeZlebda Tanxis gadaxdas da

gadavwyvite, akademiuri ameRo, swavla ki

pandemiis Semdeg gamegrZelebina”, _ ganacxada

CvenTan saubrisas erT-erTma studentma.

„regionidan var, Cems ojaxs sWirdeba

N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.

binis qiris, aseve universitetis safasuris

gadaxda, Cemi rCena, risi saSualebac ar

gaaCnia. muSaobac vcade, magram samsaxuri

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gamoc samsaxuridanac wamovedi da isev

umuSevari davrCi.

Zalian ki mindoda, rom Cemi xelfasiT

ojaxisTvis Semewyo xeli. deda emigranti

iyo, magram dRes saqarTveloSia, pandemiis

pirvel etapze Camovida. adre iqiT rom

iyo, kidev gagvqonda Tavi, dRes ki ver vaxerxebT.

albaT, momiwevs Cemi ocnebis droebiT

gverdiT gadadeba da swavlis Sewyveta,

rac Zalian ar minda, magram sxva gza

ar maqvs”, _ ganacxada „qronika+“-sTan erTerTma

studentma,romelmac sajarod vinaobis

gamxela ar isurva

studentebTan, romlebzec informacia

gvqonda, rom swavla pandemiis procesSi

Sewyvites, SeZlebisdagvarad, vcadeT dakavSireba.

maTi umravlesoba swavlis Sewyvetas

swored pandemias abralebs, zogierTi

maTgani ki xelisuflebas mouwodebs,

rom gverdiT daudgnen da maT swavlis

safasuris gadaxdaSi daexmaron.

„Zalian mainteresebs, xelisufleba ratom

ar gvidgas gverdiT?! nuTu, ar Sei-

Zleba, rom Cveni swavlis Tanxa gadaixadon,

rom ar davrCeT swavlisa da profesiis

gareSe? me rom axla akademiuri aviRo, gvian

momiwevs swavlis damTavreba, rac Zalian

ar minda”, _ gveubneba studenti.

„qronika+”-ma ganTlebis saministrosgan

ekonomikuri kolafsi

saqarTveloSi da

statusSeCerebuli studentebi

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moiTxova, Tumca saministros pressamsaxurma

ganaTlebis xarisxis uzrunvelyofis

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Semdeg ganaTlebis marTvis sainformacio

sistemis oficialur vebgverdze SevediT,

Tumca informacia aqac droebiT miuwvdomeli

aRmoCnda.

sainteresoa, ganviTarebad qveyanaSi, sadac

swavla prioritetuli da mniSvnelovani

unda iyos, gansakuTrebiT ki saqarTvelosTvis,

ras akeTebs xelisufleba am

dros da rogor exmareba studentebs?

ganaTlebis saministros aqvs Tu ara SemuSavebuli

gegma studentTa sakeTildReod?!

am kiTxvebiT „qronika+“ isev ganaTlebis

saministros daukavSirda, magram pressamsaxurSi

gangvicxades: „am etapze ver

moxerxdeba intervius Cawera Sesabamisi

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miuxedavad Cveni CakiTxvisa, mizezi

gaugebari darCa, Tu ratom ver moxerxdeboda

am Temaze maTgan komentaris gakeTeba?

sainteresoa, kidev ramdeni studenti

Sewyvets swavlas ekonomikuri mdgomareobis

gamo?! ras izams saxelmwifo am problemis

aRmosafxvrelad?!

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_ xelisuflebam ukan rom

daixios, qveynis mimarT meti

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magram es grZnoba imdenad ar

aqvs, rom Cveni evropeli da

amerikeli partniorebic mouwodeben,

meti pasuxismgebloba

gqondeso. mokled, vnaxoT, ra

moxdeba. sxvaTa Soris, „ocneba”

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araferi! Tu axla „ocneba” qveynis

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Tumca Tavadac xedaven.

_ ras xedaven?

_ „ocnebis” xelisufleba,

praqtikulad, „kartis saxlivi-


`giorgi gaxaria

sac cvlilebebi unda. gaxaria

nato CxeiZe:

cvlilebebze ar saubrobs da

ambobs, yvelaferi is, rac aqamde

xdeboda, kargi iyo da amis

merec igives gaakeTebs. amdenad,

gaxaria cvlileba araa. sazogadoebas

ki cvlileba unda.

òcnebis~

mokled, Tu vinmes aqvs imedi,

rom sazogadoebis umravlesoba

gaxarias gahyveba, es imedi

aucileblad gaucruvdeba!

xelisufleba

ise, mniSvneloba sul ar aqvs,

ivaniSvilis proeqtia Tu ruse-

Tis, radgan gaxaria arc politikuri

figuraa da arc _ damo-

`kartis

ukidebeli. amitom visi proeqtic

unda iyos, ver gaamarTlebs.

_ gaxarias rusul kavSire-

saxliviTaa~

bze ras ityviT?

_ ar vici, winaswarmetyvelebas

ver daviwyeb, magram Tu gaviTvaliswinebT,

rom didi xnis

ganmavlobaSi garkveuli Zafebi

ruseTSi hqonda, es Zafebi Sesa-

Taa” _ ai, iseTi saxliviT, bavSvebi

„kartisgan” rom akeTeben

`sworad TqviT, rom gaxarias garkveuli

sxvaTa Soris, roca premieri

Zloa, gamwydari arc iyos.

xolme, magram aseTi saxli, ro-

reitingi aqvs, Tumca es iseTi reitingi araa,

gaxldaT, londonidan ruseTSi

gorc wesi, Zalian swrafad iS-

rom xalxi gahyves, miT umetes, mosaxleobis

ise Cavida, rom amis Sesaxeb ar

leba xolme.

is nawili, romelsac cvlilebebi unda.

dauanonsebia da mas Semdeg, rac

_ imaze ra metyvelebs, rom

„ocnebis” xelisufleba „kar-

gaxaria cvlilebebze ar saubrobs da ambobs,

es mediam gaigo, ganacxada, pitis

saxliviTaa”? daSlis niS-

yvelaferi is, rac aqamde xdeboda, kargi iyo

rad saqmeze viyavio, magram ase-

Ti piradi saqmeebi saxelmwinad

umravlesobidan e. w. gax-

da amis merec igives gaakeTebs. amdenad,

fosgan damalulad ar keTdeba.

arias gundis gasvlas miiC-

gaxaria cvlileba araa. sazogadoebas ki

erTi sityviT, yvelafer

nevT?

cvlileba unda. mokled, Tu vinmes aqvs imedi,

aqedan gamomdinare, SesaZloa,

_ es erT-erTi niSania.

rom sazogadoebis umravlesoba gaxarias

vifiqroT, rom zemoxsenebuli

_ danarCeni niSani raRaa?

gahyveba, es imedi aucileblad gaucruvdeba!~

rusuli Zafebi SesaZloa, isev

_ daSlis niSania, magaliTad,

arsebobdes. ise, „Zafebs” tyuilad

ar vambob, anu es Zafebi,

isic, rom Cvens qveyanaSi politizebuli

sasamarTlo da prokuraturaa.

es im evropelma da

riTic gaxaria ruseTTan Tu

nebismier sxvasTanaa dakavSirebuli,

myifea.

amerikelma partniorebma, romlebsac

miaCndaT, rom saqarTve-

_ ratom?

los xelisufleba demokratiis

gzas adgas, Zalian kargad

_ rac unda gaberon, gaxarias

reitingi sinamdvileSi isedainaxes.

diax, maT naxes, rom

Ti araa, rogorc misi proeqtis

demokratiisgan sakmaod dacilebulebi

varT!

_ qalbatono nato, piradad

mTavari swored esaa da um-

Tqven gaxarias bunebas, mgonia,

ravlesobidan gaxarias gundis

rom sxvebze ukeT icnobT, rad-

gamoyofac swored imaze mig-

gan „omegas” problemebi roca

vaniSnebs, rom „qarTuli ocne-

daiwyo, is biznesombudsmeni

ba” erTi mTliani gundi aRaraa.

iyo da amis Sesaxebac icoda.

ise, maT ritorikaSi gansxhoda,

am gamocdilebis gaTvavaveba

araa, Tumca raRacnair-

liswinebiT, politikosi ki

ad gverdze midian da amboben,

ara, moqalaqe amomrCeveli

is, rac mosaxleobas unda, Cven

nato CxeiZe gaxariaSi im qariz-

ukeTesad viciTo. „qarTuli

mas Tu xedavs, romelic qvey-

ocnebac” amas ambobs.

nis gadamrCeneli liderisTvis

ki batono, erTmaneTs mosax-

aucilebelia?

leobis siyvarulSi Seejibron,

avtorebs eimedebaT!

_ aba, gaxariaSi ra qarizmaa?

Tumca qmediTad arafers akeTeben...

rac Tavisi moqmedebebiT Tundac

20 ivnisTan dakavSirebiT

_ gamoricxavT, rom gaxaria

aCvena, qarizma sad iyo? am epi-

ivaniSvilis axali proeqtia da

zodSi mxolod morCileba Cans.

misgan „ocneba 2-s” qmnides,

_ visi?

miT umetes, rom gaxarias sa-

_ Tavis droze, ivaniSvilis,

zogadoebaSi garkveuli reit-

magram Tu sxva patroni eyole-

ingi aqvs. CvenSi darCes da

ba, maSinac aseTive morCili

zogi imasac ambobs, gaxaria

iqneba, radgan es misi buneba da

wminda rusuli proeqtia da

cxovrebis gzaa! qarizmas remisi

saxiT kremls saqarTvealuri

reitingi mohyveba, magram

loSi axali, ufro myari

gaxarias realuri reitingi ar

dasayrdeni eyolebao...

Cans, Torem ager, misi gundi...

_ sworad TqviT, rom gaxar-

_ gundi ra SuaSia?

ias garkveuli reitingi aqvs,

_ Tuki qarizma gaqvs, maSin

Tumca es iseTi reitingi araa,

iseTebi wamogyvebian, romelTac

sakuTari begraundi aqvT...

rom xalxi gahyves, miT umetes,

mosaxleobis is nawili, romel-

_ qalbatono nato, opozi-

22

22 N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.

ciazec visaubroT, Tumca ar

gkiTxavT, 15 maisis aqciisTvis

rogor emzadebiT-meTqi. samag-

ierod, ramdenime kviris win,

evroparlamentarebisgan,

rogorc ityvian, gaJRerebul

ideas gavixseneb, romlis

Tanaxmadac, kargi iqneba, Tu

molaparakebebSi ivaniSvili da

saakaSvili CaerTvebian. amaze

ras fiqrobT?

_ es idea gaxmovanebisTanave

daiviwyes.

_ Tqveni azriT, am ideas ra-

tom ar Seesxa xorci?

_ marTalia, arc erTsa da

arc _ meores sakuTar gundze

didi gavlena ar gaaCnia, magram

orive mainc araformaluri

lideria da amdenad, es sakiTxi

ver ganviTardeboda, Torem ise,

yvelaze didi opoziciuri

partiis lideri saakaSvilia,

mmarTveli gundis ki _ ivaniSvili

da es adamianebi, ki batono,

gadawyvetilebebs Rebuloben,

magram am wamowyebas,

molaparakebebSi maTi erTad

CarTvis Sesaxeb, ganviTareba

ver eqneboda, radgan am etapze

orive araformalur sqemaSi

jdeba.

_ ra amis pasuxia da, qalbatono

nato, Tqveni erTi naTq-

vami unda gagaxsenoT _ Tavis

droze, roca nika melias patimroba

Seufardes, enm-s ofisi

graals SeadareT, Tumca mxardamWerebma

melia ver da-

icaviT. ratom?

_ ki, unda dagvecva.

_ mere, policias ratom gaa-

taneT?

_ RmerTo Cemo, sami aTasi

SeiaraRebuli specrazmeli rom

mova, ra unda gaakeTo?

_ mosalodneli iyo, rom

Zalovnebi, sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis

mere, enm-s ofis-

Si aucileblad movidodnen.

hoda, mxardamWerebis Rameebis

Tenebas raRa azri hqonda, Tu

melias dasacavad xelsac

aravin gaanZrevda?

_ erTia, fizikurad ra xdeba

da meorea _ simbolurad ra

xdeba.


ver gaamarTlebs!~

`sxvaTa Soris, roca premieri gaxldaT,

londonidan ruseTSi ise Cavida, rom amis

Sesaxeb ar dauanonsebia da mas Semdeg, rac es

mediam gaigo, ganacxada, pirad saqmeze viyavio,

magram aseTi piradi saqmeebi saxelmwifosgan

damalulad ar keTdeba. erTi sityviT,

yvelafer aqedan gamomdinare, SesaZloa,

vifiqroT, rom zemoxsenebuli rusuli Zafebi

SesaZloa, isev arsebobdes. ise, `Zafebs~

tyuilad ar vambob, anu es Zafebi, riTic

gaxaria ruseTTan Tu nebismier sxvasTanaa

dakavSirebuli, myifea~

_ anu?

_ nika melia, ki batono, fizikurad

daiWires, magram simbolurad

ver daiWires.

_ es rogor?

_ melias daWera „qarTuli

ocnebisTvis” Tavis tkivilia,

gansakuTrebiT mas Semdeg, rac

Cveni evropeli da amerikeli

partniorebi Zalian gaaqtiurdnen!

mokled, „ocneba” ki fiqrobs,

rom melia daiWira, magram

es daWera araa, roca mTeli Tu

ara, naxevari msoflio kiTxulobs,

ratom daiWireTo?!

rac Seexeba imas, melia ratom

gavataneT, imitom gavataneT,

rom iq nebelobis brZola

iyo da ara _ fizikuri.

erTi sityviT, moraluri

gamarjveba nika meliasa da misi

mxardamWerebis mxaresaa.

_ sxvaTa Soris, axla gamaxsenda,

socialur qselSi dawereT,

rom nika melia gesizm-

raT. enm-s lideri realurad

dagesizmraT Tu es poli-

tikuri alegoria iyo?

_ gamoxmaureba iseTi hqonda,

rom yvelas Cemi gamogonili

egona, magram namdvilad sizmari

iyo.

_ gasagebia... kidev erTi sqe-

ma ganvixiloT, romelzedac

bolo dros politikur kulu-

arebSi aqtiurad saubroben,

anu mas Semdeg, rac molapar-

akebebSi amerikis SeerTebuli

Statebi aqtiurad CaerTveba,

xelisufleba iZulebuli gaxdeba,

plebiscitze dasTanxm-

des, opozicias ki parlamentSi

Sesvla mouwevs. es scenari

realuri ggoniaT?

_ Tu politpatimrebi gan-

Tavisufldebian da Tundac

plebisciti, romlis momxrec

piradad me, didad ar var, dainiSneba,

aseve saarCevno sistemis

reformirebac moxdeba, maSin

yvelaferi es, albaT, SesaZlebelia.

_ „ocnebam”, amas winaT, Tqva,

mzad var, evropelebis pirve-

lad dokuments movawero xelio.

arada, am pirvelad doku-

mentSi vadamdel arCevnebze

araferia naTqvami.

_ imaze, sadac vadamdeli

arCevnebi araa naxsenebi, opozicia

ar dasTanxmdeba! saerTod,

vadamdeli arCevnebi da politpatimrebis

ganTavisufleba aucilebeli

pirobaa! ase rom, Tu

vadamdel arCevnebamde misasvleli

raRac gza iqneba napovni

da politpatimrebic ganTavisufldebian,

mere imaze fiqric

SeiZleba, rom parlamentSi Sexvide

da igive sarCevno reforma

da sxva sakiTxebi iqidan gadaWra.

_ vTqvaT, „ocnebam” Tqva, ki

batono, vadamdelze Tanaxma

varo da 2023 wels daniSna. amas

azri eqneba?

_ ara, azri namdvilad ar

eqneba da amas verc ityvis. vadamdeli

arCevnebi, maqsimum, 2022

wlis zafxulamde unda Catardes.

ise, Tu plebisciti ivnis-

Si iqneba, maSin SesaZlebelia,

rom vadamdeli arCevnebi welsve

dainiSnos. imaSic darwmunebuli

var, rom plebiscitSi

monawile amomrCevlebis umravlesoba

cvlilebebis momxre

iqneba. Tu plebiscitze rame

gadawyvetileba da, Sesabamisad,

dokumentic iqneba miRebuli,

masSi aucileblad isic unda

Caiweros, plebiscitidan vadamdeli

arCevnebi ramden xanSi

unda Catardes.

mokled, saqme is ki araa, „qarTul

ocnebas” ra unda, aramed

saqme isaa, xalxs ra unda. IRI-is

bolo kvlevebi Tu naxeT, xalxs

yvelaze metad ekonomikuri

cvlilebebi da dasaqmeba unda.

axali mTavroba swored imisTvisaa

saWiro, rom ekonomikuri

mimarTulebebi Seicvalos

da xalxi dasaqmdes. axali mTavroba

ki maSin iqneba, roca koaliciuri

xelisufleba Seiqmneba.

koaliciuri xelisufleba

ki ver mova, Tu vadamdeli

arCevnebi ar Catardeba.

yvelaferi es krialosanivi-

Taa awyobili. amitom vadamdeli

arCevnebiT, Tundac plebiscitiT,

rac SeiZleba, male

unda Catardes!

_ vadamdeli arCevnebi, cxa-

dia, axali saarCevno kodeqsiT

unda Catardes. axali saarCevno

kodeqsis misaRebad ki deputatebis

absoluturi umrav-

lesobaa saWiro. Sesabamisad,

opozicia iZulebuli gaxdeba,

rom parlamentSi Sevides, ma-

gram xalxs am nabijs rogor

auxsniT?

_ es Zalian martivia.

_ mainc?

_ opozicia aqamdec ambobda,

rom politpatimrebi unda gan-

Tavisufldnen, vadamdeli

arCevnebi dainiSnos da, parale-

`yvelaze didi opoziciuri partiis lideri

saakaSvilia, mmarTveli gundis ki - ivaniSvili

da es adamianebi, ki batono, gadawyvetilebebs

Rebuloben, magram am wamowyebas,

molaparakebebSi maTi erTad CarTvis Sesaxeb,

ganviTareba ver eqneboda, radgan am etapze

orive araformalur sqemaSi jdeba~

lurad, axali saarCevno kanoni

unda momzaddes, risTvisac

parlamentSi Sedixar.

roca mosaxleobam icis, rom

garkveul SualedSi vadamdeli

arCevnebi iniSneba, maSin yvelaferi

sruliad gasagebi iqneba.

_ ra yvelaferi?

_ mosaxleobam da opoziciam

dasaxul mizans miaRwia.

dasaxuli mizani ki garkveuli

TariRia, roca plebiscitiT

Tu uplebiscitod vadamdeli

arCevnebi unda Catardes.

aseT dros mosaxleobasac ar

gauCndeba kiTxva, Tu ratom

Sedis opozicia parlamentSi.

N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.

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raze apirebdnen SeTanxmebas

imaze saubari, rom molaparake-

vano pavliaSvili

bebi CaiSala, „brenduli” aRaraa.

595 48 35 85

yovel SemTxvevaSi, bolo dros sa-

zogadoebis gansjis sagani namox-

vanhesis movlenebi Tu msaxiob beso zanguris mier eqsmeuRleze

fizikuri Zaladobaa, magram politikur kuluarebSi amboben,

rom male yvelaferi isev Tavdayira dadgeba. kerZod, arsebobs

molodini, rom aprilis bolos saqarTvelos aSS-is saxelmwifo

mdivani ewveva da xelisuflebas, minimum, yurs auwevs.

595 48 35 85 goCa TevdoraZe:

sxvaTa Soris, „yuris awevas”

Tavad „ocnebac” elodeba. ase-

Ti azri ki mas Semdeg gaCnda,

rac okeanisgaRma vizitad myofma

irakli kobaxiZem Riad

Tqva, miniSnebebi keTdeba, rom

daTmobis pirveli nabijebi xelisuflebam

unda gadadgaso.

„Cven gvesmis miniSneba imis

Sesaxeb, rom „qarTuli ocneba”

aris mmarTveli partia da sWirdeba

konkretuli nabijebis

gadadgma, raTa sakiTxebi gadaiWras.

Cven vafiqsirebT mzadyofnas,

rom gadaidgas konkretuli

nabijebi, maT Soris, kompromisis

mimarTulebiT. es

araerTxel davadastureT da

samomavlodac mzad varT, gamovavlinoT

konstruqciuli

midgoma principebis dacviT. es

principebi aris, ra Tqma unda,

ganmsazRvreli nebismieri SeTanxmebis

xelmoweris dros, magram

am principebis farglebSi

Cven viqnebiT maqsimalurad

konstruqciulebi.

yvela detalze visaubreT

arCevnebis Sesaxeb, aseve sisxlis

samarTlis saqmeebTan dakavSirebiT,

vsaubrobT imaze,

rom yvelas SeuZlia nebismieri

aspeqtis gadamowmeba, rac arCevnebsa

da sisxlis samarTlis

saqmeebs ukavSirdeba. absoluturad

yvela detalze vawvdiT

informacias saerTaSoriso partniorebs.

CvenTvis mniSvnelovania

maTi rCevebis mosmena”,

_ kobaxiZis es gancxadeba ramdenime

dRis win sainformacio

saagento CNews-ma gaavrcela.

mosazrebas, rom „ocneba” saerTaSoriso

wnexs ver gauZlebs,

„patriotTa aliansis”

erT-erTi lideri, goCa TevdoraZec

iziarebs. amasTan,

„qronika+~-sTan is molaparakebebis

dRemde ucnob detalebsac

ixsenebs da skandalur

gancxadebasac akeTebs, kerZod,

ambobs, rom „nacmoZraobas” vadamdeli

arCevnebis daniSvna ar

unda.

gTavazobT intervius goCa

TevdoraZesTan:

_ batono goCa, qveyanaSi

qaosia _ politikur krizisze

rom aRaraferi vTqvaT, so-

cialur-ekonomikuri fonic

damZimda, paralelurad, xalxi

quCaSi gaWirvebis gamo ki ara,

samSoblos gadasarCenad gamodis,

rasac rionis xeobaSi ganviTarebuli

movlenebic mow-

mobs. mokled, yvelaferi es

erTmaneTTan kavSirSia Tu sx-

vadasxva fazlia?

_ yvelaferi es im konteqst-

Si unda ganvixiloT, rom „ocnebas”

qveynis marTva ar Seu-

Zlia da mxolod imazea orientirebuli,

rom xelisufleba

rogorme SeinarCunos. problemebic

amitomaa. aviRoT, Tundac,

pandemia, romelic mTeli

msofliosTvis gamowvevaa, magram

Cvenma xelisuflebam gansakuTrebiT

ver marTa _ Tavis

droze iseTi zomebi miiRo,

romelic saWiro ar iyo. axla

ki Tavad iseT mdgomareobaSia,

rom aRar icis, ra moifiqros.

yvelafer amas is politikuri

krizisic daemTxva, romelic

Tavad „ocnebam” arCevnebis gayalbebiT

gamoiwvia.

mokled, qveyanaSi rTuli

situaciaa...

rac Seexeba namoxvanhess, ar

SeiZleba, gonieri adamiani imis

winaaRmdegi iyos, rom qveyanam

energodamoukideblobas miaRwios,

magram roca raRacisTvis,

vTqvaT, erTi kvadratuli

miwaa saWiro da am dros Sen

aTas kvadratuls aZlev, es ki-

Txvis niSnebs aCens da problemebs

qmnis.

saerTod, xelisufleba

Tavis mier Seqmnil problemeb-

Sia gaxlarTuli. aviRoT, magaliTad,

melias saqme. ramdenime

Tvis win am Temas politikuri

elferi aramcdaaramc

ar hqonda, magram politikuri

elferi Tavad „ocnebam” SesZina

da yvelafer amaSi ise gaixlarTa,

rom veRar gamodis.

_ konkretulad?

_ „nacionaluri moZraoba”

da masTan dakavSirebuli partiebi

melias gamoSvebas iTxoven,

xelisufleba ki kobaxiZis

piriT gveubneba, opozicia mogviwodebs,

rom marTlmsajuleba

fexiT gavTeloTo. sinamdvileSi

ki opozicia „ocnebas”

eubneba, marTlmsajuleba, romelic

realurad gaTele da

fexiT gadauare, kidev daarRvie

da melia gamouSvio. am fonze

araadekvaturi gancxadeba

gvesmis, ai, meliam girao gadaixados

da gamovuSvebTo.

ise, xom veravin gvetyvis, es

girao ra aris an ra Tanxazea

saubari? mas Semdeg, rac melias

winaswari patimroba miesaja,

girao aRar arsebobs!

_ batono goCa, sityvam

moitana da, enm-s lideris pa-

timrobidan ganTavisuflebis

samarTlebrivi meqanizmi arse-

bobs?

_ diax, samarTlebrivad bevri

meqanizmi arsebobs.

_ kerZod?

_ magaliTad, amnistia,

ìluziaa, rom

`nacionalur

moZraobas~

vadamdeli arCevnebi

aucileblad unda~

romelzedac saubroben. amasTan,

SesaZlebelia, rom sasamar-

Tlom aRkveTis RonisZiebis Secvlis

gadawyvetileba miiRos,

magram yvelaferi es damoukidebeli

sasamarTlosa da prokuraturis

gadasawyvetia da

ara _ politikosebis... ra amis

pasuxia da, igive ekonomikasTan

dakavSirebiT xelisuflebis

yvela qmedeba araadekvaturia.

yvelaferi es dagrovda da

politikuri krizisis fonze

gansakuTrebiT mZafrad gamo-

Cnda... qveyana am mdgomareoba-

Si amitomacaa.

_ magram mTel am oromtri-

als rogor unda davaRwioT

Tavi?

_ „qarTuli ocneba” mmarTvelobidan

unda wavides.

_ rogor?

_ vadamdeli arCevnebia

saWiro. saerTod, saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis winaSe gacilebiT

didi amocana dgas.

_ ras gulisxmobT, batono

goCa?

_ politikuri sivrcidan mxolod

„qarTuli ocneba” ki

ara, „nacionaluri moZraobac”

unda gaistumros! sxvaTa Soris,

„patriotTa aliansidan” molaparakebebSi

me vmonawileobdi,

magram dRes xazgasmiT aravin

ambobs, am Sexvedrebze „nacmoZraobisa”

da „ocnebisTvis”

umTavresi sakiTxi ra iyo.

_ ra iyo?

_ garigeba.

_ anu?

_ maT Soris Zalauflebis

gadanawilebaze garigeba.

_ anu molaparakebeze orive

mxare garigebas cdilobda?

_ es danielsonsac ar daumalavs

da pirdapir Tqva, saWiroa

ZalTa Tanabari gadanawileba

ara mxolod sakanonmdeblo

xelisuflebaSio.

_ gasagebia, rom „ocneba” da

enm sakuTari dRis wesrigiT

moqmedebdnen, magram, magali-

Tad, „patriotebi” molapar-

akebaze ras iTxovdiT?

_ roca es sakiTxebi daisva...

_ ukacravad, romeli sak-

iTxebi?

_ parlamentis xuTi da, maT

Soris, ori ZiriTadi komitetis

xelmZRvaneloba opozicias

gadasces. opoziciaSi, cxadia,

„nacionaluri moZraoba” da

masTan dakavSirebuli partie-

`cxadia, rom melia `qarTuli ocnebisa~ da

`nacionaluri moZraobis~ erToblivi TamaSia~

bi igulisxmeboda, Torem am

parlamentSi „patriotebis” politikuri

mdgeneli warmodgenili

ar aris.

_ anu Tqven, rogorc „pa-

triotebis” warmomadgenelma,

aseTi SeTanxmeba gaapro-

testeT?

_ molaparakebis detalebze

ar saubroben da es gauxmaurebloba

imas emsaxureba, rom Zalauflebis

gadanawilebis Tema

dafaruli iyos, magram dasamali,

mgoni, araferia.

mokled, saubari imaze iyo,

rom xuTi da, maT Soris, ori

ZiriTadi komitetisa da aseve

erTi saerTaSoriso delegaciis

xelmZRvaneloba opozicias

unda gadascemoda. amas Cemgan,

cxadia, protesti mohyva.

_ Tqvens protestze reaq-

cia rogori iyo?

_ Cemi protestis pasuxi,

realurad, aseTi iyo: Cven ki

Zalauflebas vinawilebT, magram

es molaparakebis dokumentSi

ar CavweroT da pasuxismgebloba

mediatorebis winaSe

„qarTulma ocnebam” aiRoso.

ise, dRes „ocneba” TvalSi

nacars gvayris da gveubneba,

danielsonis dokumentSi vadamdeli

arCevnebis punqti ar

iyoo.

_ anu „ocneba” ityueba?

_ dokumentSi es punqti iyo

da SaviT TeTrze ewera, rom

vadamdelTan misasvleli gza

TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze

gadioda. „qarTulma ocnebam”

iTxova, ki batono, amaze Tanaxma

var, magram es dokumentSi nu

iqnebao, anu arasruli dokumenti

unda migveRo.

_ e. i., Tqveni saubridan

gamodis, rom „patriotTa

aliansi” am molaparakebebis

erTgvari rekviziti iyo da

meti araferi?

_ araferi rekviziti ar vyofilvarT.

_ aba?

_ logikurad vmsjelob.

_ diax, gismenT.

_ saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

didma nawilma miiCnia, rom

„ocnebis” mier arCevnebi totalurad

gayalbda da vadamde-

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òcneba~ da `nacmoZraoba~

lis Catarebis moTxovnac amitom

gaCnda. amas „qarTuli ocnebis”

mier xelovnurad Seqmnili

sxva problemebi mohyva.

_ weRan miTxariT, „ocneba”

xelisuflebaSi darCenas cdilobso.

Tuki asea, maSin gaugebaria,

problemebs xe-

lovnurad ratomRa qmnis?

_ gonebrivi SesaZleblobebic

saWiroa, magram xelisuflebas

arc goniereba hyofnis

da raRac xafangebs agebs, anu

fiqrobda, rom arCevnebis gayalbebis

Semdeg melias daWeriT

politikur speqtrs gaTi-

Savda, magram amas ver miaRwia.

mokled, umTavresi moTxovna

Tavdapirvelad vadamdeli

arCevnebi iyo da „patriotTa

aliansi” dRemde am moTxovnis

erTgulia.

_ maSasadame, Tqven vadamde-

lis garda arafers iTxovT?

_ vadamdelamde misasvleli

gza TviTmmarTvelobis arCevnebze

im SemTxvevaze unda gasuliyo,

Tuki arCevnebi sayovel-

Taod da savaldebulod gamocxaddeboda.

Tu savaldebulo

gaxdeboda, es imas niSnavda,

rom arCevnebSi amomrCevlis,

daaxloebiT, 85% miiRebda monawileobas.

ase dros ki gayalbebis

Sansi, rogorc wesi, naklebia.

_ diax, roca amomrCevlis

aqtiuroba maRalia, manipula-

ciebisTvis „lufti” aRar rCeba,

magram weRan gkiTxeT, bat-

ono goCa da, ar mipasuxeT,

amitom damikonkreteT: „pa-

triotebi” mxolod vadamdels

da imas iTxovdiT, rom arCe-

vnebSi monawileoba savaldeb-

ulo gamxdariyo?

_ diax.

_ anu politpatimrebis gan-

Tavisuflebas mxars ar uWer-

diT?

_ vidre evrokavSiri CaerTveboda,

Sexvedrebi aSS-is

saelCoSi imarTeboda. sul

oTxi raundi gaimarTa da mesame

raundze „patriotTa aliansma”

SeZlo, rom e. w. politpatimrebis

Tema molaparakebis

formatidan gasuliyo.

_ e. i., nika melias da gior-

gi ruruas politpatimrebad

ar miiCnevT?

_ melia ukanonodaa dapatimrebuli

da amiT am saqmes politikuri

elferi SesZines.

_ ise, gamoricxavT, rom me-

lia „ocnebis” proeqti iyos?

_ ar minda, aseTi radikaluri

gancxadeba gavakeTo.

_ Tqveni nebaa, magram am

versias arc kategoriulad

uaryofT...

_ cxadia, rom melia „qarTuli

ocnebisa” da „nacionaluri

moZraobis” erToblivi TamaSia.

modiT, 8 martis SeTanxmeba gavixsenoT,

roca „ocnebas” 120/

30-ze gadasvla mouwia.

_ es ra SuaSia?

_ maSin igive ruruas, gigi

ugulavasa da politpatimre-

`rac Seexeba namoxvanhess, ar SeiZleba, gonieri adamiani imis winaaRmdegi

iyos, rom qveyanam energodamoukideblobas miaRwios, magram roca

raRacisTvis, vTqvaT, erTi kvadratuli miwaa saWiro da am dros Sen aTas

kvadratuls aZlev, es kiTxvis niSnebs aCens da problemebs qmnis~

bad wodebuli sxvebis Tema arsebobda.

„ocnebam” da „nacmoZraobam”

ori dokumenti

Seadgines, anu politpatimrebis

Tema calke dokumentad arsebobda,

romelzedac xelmomwerebi

Cven ar viyaviT.

mokled, axlac, aSS-is sael-

CoSi, molaparakebebze vTqviT,

Tu undodaT, es Tema calke

dokumentad gaetanaT da, praqtikulad,

amaze Tanxmoba arsebobda.

sxvaTa Soris, bolo

etapze „patriotTa aliansi”

molaparakebis monawile aRar

iyo.

_ ratom?

_ politpatimrebze Cven mosazrebebi

gvqonda. amasTan, vadamdel

arCevnebsac ufro radikalurad

viTxovdiT. albaT,

amitomac ar miiCnies saWirod,

rom im garigebis monawileni

vyofiliyaviT, romlis mizanic

„qarTul ocnebasa” da „nacionalur

moZraobas” Soris Zalauflebis

gadanawileba iyo.

_ asea Tu ise, molaparakebebi,

dRevandeli mocemulo-

biT, CaSlilia. amasobaSi ki

eqspremieri politikurad aq-

tiurdeba. zogi ambobs, rom

gaxaria ivaniSvilis proeqtia,

anu mTavrobis yofili Tavmj-

domare, SesaZloa, „ocnebis”

mTavari oponenti gaxdes da

arsebuli opozicia „SeWamos”,

e. i., „ocneba2" gaxdes. am al-

baTobas uSvebT, batono goCa?

_ TavisTavad cxadia, rom

gaxaria „ocneba2" ver iqneba.

_ cxadi ratomaa?

_ gaxaria da is deputacia,

romelic gaxarias gahyva, ar

mgonia, rom winasaarCevnod

raime Rirebulis Semqmneli

iyos, magram ar aris gamoricxuli,

rom...

_ ra ar aris gamoricxuli?

_ „ocnebaSi” fiqroben, rom

biZina ivaniSvilma „ocneba” gaxariaTi

Caanacvla an amis mcdeloba

arsebobs da igive kobaxiZesac

radikalur-eiforiuli

`Cven gvyavs xelisufleba, romelsac

saqarTvelos mosaxleobis ar esmis da

romelic mediatorebis gareSe opozicias ver

elaparakeba. es aris xelisufleba,

romelzedac saerTaSoriso zewola moqmedebs

da garkveul cvlilebebze mxolod am wnexis

qveS midis! es zewola da wnexi TandaTan

Zlierdeba. `qarTuli ocneba~ am wnexs ver

gauZlebs da vadamdeli arCevnebi dainiSneba~

gancxadebebi amitom hqonda.

Tu gaxarias ivaniSvilisgan

mxardaWera eqneba, maSin „ocnebis”

isedac dabali reitingi

kidev ufro daiklebs, gaxariasi

ki _ moimatebs. winaaRmdeg

SemTxvevaSi, weRandeli Tqmisa

ar iyos, ar mgonia, rom damoukideblad

gaxaria da misi gundi

TviTmmarTvelobis an vadamdeli

saparlamento arCevnebisTvis

raime Rirebulis Semqneli

iyos.

_ e. i., gaxarias ivaniSvilis

proeqtad ar miiCnevT, ara?

_ Tu gaxaria ivaniSvilis

proeqti ar aris, maSin arCevnebze

did warmatebas ver miaRwevs.

_ bolos, batono goCa, 15

maisis aqcias, romlis erTerTi

mTavari moTxovnac vad-

amdeli arCevnebia, „patriot-

Ta aliansi” SeuerTdeba?

_ „nacionalur moZraobas”

da mis momxreebs aqciebi aqamdec

CautarebiaT. aqciebs „patriotebic”

vatarebT xolme,

magram es aqciebi yovelTvis

damoukideblad imarTeba.

_ mesmis, magram Tqvenc,

danarCeni opoziciis msgavsad,

vadamdel saparlamento arCevnebs

iTxovT da 15 maiss qu-

CaSi ratom ar unda gaxvideT?

_ Tu „nacionalebisa” da ma-

Ti mesveurebis moTxovnebi

Cvens moTxovnebs emTxveva, es

Cveni ki ara, xelisuflebis

bralia.

_ mapatieT, magram xelisu-

fleba ra SuaSia?

_ arCevnebi xelisuflebam

gaayalba! rac Seexeba „patriotTa

aliansis” gzas, es damoukidebeli

gzaa, anu Cven Cveni

aqciebi gveqneba.

_ „patriotebi” aqcias ro-

dis gegmavT?

_ amis Sesaxeb sazogadoebas

vacnobebT. yovel SemTxvevaSi,

aqcia 15 maiss namdvilad ar

iqneba.

_ ise, batono goCa, elodebiT,

rom vadamdeli saparlamento

arCevnebi wels dainiS-

neba?

_ Cven gyvavs xelisufleba,

romelsac saqarTvelos mosaxleobis

ar esmis da romelic

mediatorebis gareSe opozicias

ver elaparakeba. es aris

xelisufleba, romelzedac saerTaSoriso

zewola moqmedebs

da garkveul cvlilebebze mxolod

am wnexis qveS midis!

es zewola da wnexi TandaTan

Zlierdeba. „qarTuli ocneba”

am wnexs ver gauZlebs da vadamdeli

arCevnebi dainiSneba.

rac Seexeba imas, rom „nacionalur

moZraobas” arCevnebi

aucileblad unda, tyuilia.

_ ratom?

_ es iluziaa, Torem visac

vadamdeli arCevnebi unda, amis

miRwevis Zalian martivi gza

arsebobs.

_ kerZod?

_ „nacionaluri moZraobisa”

da maTi mxardamWeri partiebis

warmomadgenlebi deputatis

mandatebs inarCuneben. Tu isini

parlamentis wevris uflebamosilebas

moixsnian, dRis wesrigSi

avtomaturad dadgeba

vadamdeli arCevnebis Catarebis

aucilebloba.

_ am adamianebma scades, rom

deputatis uflebamosileba

moexsnaT, magram „ocnebis” um-

ravlesobam ar mouxsna da ra

gaakeTon?

_ jer erTi, „qarTulma ocnebam”

kanoni daarRvia, roca es

moTxovna ar daakmayofila.

meorec, kanonSi weria, rom

parlamentis es gadawyvetileba

SesaZloa, sakonstitucio

sasamarTloSi gasaCivrdes.

zura jafariZis garda naxeT

vinme, romelmac sakonstitucio

sasamarTlos mimarTa?

Tu opozicia sadeputato

uflebamosilebis moxsnaze isev

mimarTavs da parlamenti xelmeoredac

antikonstituciur

gadawyvetilebas miiRebs, maSin

mTeli msoflio gaigebs, rom

saqarTveloSi 51 deputati xelborkildadebuli

hyavT da

parlamentSi ZaliT aCereben!

aseTi ram CrdiloeT koreaSic

ar xdeba, magram realurad rom

vTqvaT, survili ar aqvT, rom

es uflebamosileba moixsnan da

vadamdel arCevnebamde iolad

mivideT, Torem amis miRweva

Zalian martivia!

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giga gelxviiZe

592 41 85 85

COVID 19-iT inficirebis pirveli

SemTxveva saqarTveloSi 2020 wlis 26 Tebervals dafiqsirda.

swored am dRidan saqarTvelom ucnauri gzebiT daiwyo

moZraoba, _ xan vakeze viyaviT, xan maTaSi, xanac aRmarT-

Si da arc jomolungmisTvis Cagvivlia gulgrilad.

gasakviri SeiZleba arc araferi

yofiliyo, rom ara erTi

mniSvnelovani detali: jomolungmaze

mxolod maSin avdiodiT,

rodesac qveyanaSi mniSvnelovani

politikuri cvlilebebi

xdeboda. ufro martivad rom

agixsnaT, rasTan gvaqvs saqme,

getyviT _ rac ufro xmamaRla

iyvirebda opozicia rusTavelze,

miT ufro swrafi nabijebiT

avdiodiT everestze.

2020 wlis 21 marts prezidentma

salome zurabiSvilma

qveynis masStabiT sagangebo mdgomareoba

gamoacxada, rac Tavisi

arsiT Semdegs gulisxmobda

_ imoZrave Sens kvadratSi.

Cvenc davemorCileT da manam

viyaviT gamoketilebi, sanam 2020

wlis saparlamento arCevnebi ar

moaxlovda da xelisuflebam ar

igrZno, SezRudvebi arCevnebis

SedegTan pirdapirproporciul

bmaSi iyo, amitomac sazafxulod

saknebi gagvixsnes da gamogviSves

im pirobiT, rom kargad moviqceodiT.

cxovreba TiTqmis

Cveul ritmSi Cadga, ekonomikac

odnav amoZravda. „sam muSketerad”

wodebuli qveynis cnobili

imunologebi bevrad ufro

lmobierebi gaxdnen, saarCevno

Sekrebebze arc mosaxleobas uSlidnen

misvlas da meti stimulis

misacemad Tavadac dadiodnen,

sxvaTa Soris, upirbadod,

magaliTad amiran gamyreliZe

„qarTuli ocnebis” Sekrebaze.

zafxulze gaaqtiurebulma

turistulma sezonma, xalxmravalma

qorwilebma, Sekrebebma

da qelexebma Tavisi Sedegi gamoiRo.

Stopcov-is monacemebiT, inficirebulTa

maCvenebeli dRi-

Ti dRe izrdeboda, inficirebulebis

zrdasTan erTad ki

„muSketerebi“ saocrad mSvidebi

xdebodnen da gveubnebodnen,

rom Tu regulaciebs davicavdiT,

saSiSi araferi iyo. metic:

sruli damajereblobiT gveubnebodnen,

rom aucileblad unda

mivsuliyaviT arCevnebze da

dagvefiqsirebina Cveni azri saarCevno

ubanze. mowodeba da „qarTuli

ocnebis” agitacia imdenad

sinTezurad Seurwyes erTmaneTs,

rom TavianTi realuri

funqcia gadaaviwydaT.

„damerwmuneT, rom Zalian seriozuli

winasaarCevno mosamzadebeli

samuSao Catarda. iq isea

epidsawinaaRmdego RonisZiebebi

gaTvlili, rom minimaluria adamianebis

dainficirebis riski.

amitom nu SegeSindebaT. aucilebelia,

arCevnebze mivideT

pirbadiT. iq orjer gviwevs aTi

wamis ganmavlobaSi pirbadis

moxsna da es ar aris problema.

darwmunebuli iyaviT, maqsimaluri

dacvaa gaTvaliswinebuli,

rom xmis micemis periodSi da

arCevnebze inficirebis maCvenebeli

ar gaizardos”, _ gvarwmunebdnen

sagangebo brifingebidan

imunologebi.

mokled, imunologebis aqtiurobiT

saarCevno agitaciaSi

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CarTuli „kai biWebisa” da „qar-

Tuli ocnebis” avtobusebiT

xalxi arCevnebze miiyvanes, zogma

nebiT, zogmac ubnis biWebis

nebiT da zogmac ise, rom arc

gaugia _ kidev erTxel, mesame

vadiT xelisuflebaSi datova

Zala, romelic ager ukve me-10

welia, Seusveneblad gvaocnebebs.

xumroba iqiT iyos da axala

sruli seriozulobiT gavyveT

movlenebs:

2020 wlis saparlamento

arCevnebis dasrulebis Semdeg

„donas” klasterisa da yoveld-

Riurad aTasobiT axali inficirebulis

fonze, cxovreba

isev Cveul politikur reJimSi

Cadga, rac ualxes istorias Tu

gadavxedavT, dausrulebel

saprotesto aqciebSi gamoixateba.

2020 wlis 8 nombers gaer-

Tianebuli opozicia kvlav Cveul

adgilze, rusTavelis gamzirze

Seikriba, xmawarTmeuli da

gabrazebuli moqalaqeebi yvela

regionidan Camovidnen, garkveuli

periodis Semdeg, opoziciuri

partiebis liderebis mowodebiT,

aqciis monawileebma,

Tamar Jvanias gadadgomis moTxovniT,

ceskos SenobasTan gadainacvles.

ceskosTan misulebs

Jvania ara, magram wylis Wavlis

manqanebi da specrazmelTa uprecedento

raodenoba namdvilad

daxvda da Ramis 00:55 wuTze

darbevac daiwyo.

meore dRes pirveli da, albaT,

yvelaze logikuri SekiTxva,

rac imunologebs mediis warmomadgenlebma

dausves, ase JRera:

_ maSin, rodesac yoveld-

Riurad kovidis aTasobiT axali

dadasturebuli SemTxveva

gvaqvs, ramdenad gamarTlebuli

iyo noemberSi civi wyliT momitingeebis

daSla?! adamianebi,

romlebic Tveebis manZilze dadiodnen

mmarTveli partiis politikur

Sekrebebze da moqalaqeebs

aqtiurad mouwodebdnen,

arCevnebSi monawileoba mieRoT,

gvpasuxobdnen, rom politikuri

gancxadebebis keTeba maTi movaleoba

ar iyo: „Cven yvela pasuxismgeblebi

varT kanonis winaSe.

samwuxarod, kanoni sezonur Taviseburebebs

ar iTvaliswinebs,

es aris Cemi pasuxi...“(?!!)

***

gayalbebuli arCevnebis gamo

politikuri procesebi Tanda-

Tan ufro gamwvavda. swored am

dros imunologebma daarqivebuli

teqstebi kidev erTxel gadaimeores

da brifingidan kvlav

mogvesma nacnobi xmebi: „Cvens

vebgverdze yoveldRiurad ideba

kovidinficirebis statistika

da dinamika. me rom gazafxulze

jomolungmaze asvlas vadarebdi

xolme, axla jomolungmaze

avdivarT”.

poziciebis ufro gasamyareblad

brifings brifingi mosdevda,

koviddadebiTobis maCvenebeli

ki yovel wuTs icvleboda.

uwyebaTaSoris sabWosac

politikuri

`sam muSketerad~ wodebuli qveynis

cnobili imunologebi bevrad ufro

lmobierebi gaxdnen, saarCevno

Sekrebebze arc mosaxleobas uSlidnen

misvlas da meti stimulis misacemad

Tavadac dadiodnen, sxvaTa Soris,

upirbadod, magaliTad amiran gamyreliZe

`qarTuli ocnebis~ Sekrebaze~

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pandemia

`mokled, imunologebis aqtiurobiT

saarCevno agitaciaSi CarTuli `kai

biWebisa~ da `qarTuli ocnebis~

avtobusebiT xalxi arCevnebze miiyvanes,

zogma nebiT, zogmac ubnis biWebis nebiT da

zogmac ise, rom arc gaugia - kidev erTxel,

mesame vadiT xelisuflebaSi datova Zala,

romelic ager ukve me-10 welia,

Seusveneblad gvaocnebebs~

xel-fexi gaexsna da 2020 wlis 9

noembridan saqarTvelos yvela

did qalaqSi gadaadgilebis SezRudva

dawesda, romelic moZraoba

„sircxvilias” warmomadgenlebma

imave dRes, rusTavelis

gamzirze, RamisTeviT gaaprotestes.

xelisuflebis reaqciamac

ar daayovna: „nawilobrivi

lokdauni da wertilovani

SezRudvebi, romelic didi albaTobiT

qveyanaSi aris, epidsituaciidan

gamomdinare, kidev

ufro SeiZleba gafarTovdes”, _

Tqva amiran gamyreliZem da ramdenime

Tvis win „gisosebidan“

gamosuli mosaxleoba isev ukan

Seabruna.

2021 wlis martidan SezRudvebi

isev Semsubuqda, gaixsna Ria

tipis bar-restornebi, amuSavda

sazogadoebrivi da saqalaqTa-

Soriso transporti, gaixsna fitnesdarbazebi

Tumca, amavdroulad,

kvlav gaaqtiurda opoziis

protesti, romelic „nacionaluri

moZraobis” Tavmjdomare

nika melias dakavebam kidev

ufro gaamwvava.

qveyanaSi arsebuli mwvave

politikuri viTareba sakamod

didi Tavsatexi aRmoCnda Cveni

evropeli da dasavleli megobrebisTvis,

romlebic situaciis

ganmuxtvas Seecadnen da qveyanaSi

evropuli sabWos prezident

Sarl miSelis viziti CainiSna,

romelsac xelisuflebasa

da opozicias Soris mediatoris

roli daekisra. Sarl miSeli

qveyanaSi SeTanxmebis dokumentiT

xeldamSvenebuli Camovida,

Tumca ukompromiso „qarTuli

ocnebis” gamo ukan Sedegis gareSe

dabrunda.

molaparakebebis meore etapi

ukve Sarl miSelis piradi warmomadgenlis,

kristian danielsonis

mediaciiT warimarTa, Tumca

Sedegi verc aman gamoiRo, _

xelisufleba qveyanaSi politpatimrebis

arsebobasa da vadamdeli

saparlamento arCevnebis

saWiroebas ar aRiarebda. Tavis

mxriv, ukan arc opozicia ixevda

da politikuri procesebi

kvlav CixSi moeqca. danielsoni

wavida da maleve isev dagvibrunda,

Tumca molaparakebebidan

gamosuls kvlav mouwia im teqstis

ganmeoreba, romelic pirveli

Camosvlis bolos warmoTqva

da gvauwya, rom molaparakebebi

ver Sedga. xelisufleba kvlav

Tavis poziciaze, opozicia ki

parlamentis boikotis reJimSi

daCa. warumatebeli molaparakebebis

Semdeg, gaerTianebulma

opoziciam kidev erTxel gadawyvita,

rom aucielebelia Zalis

demonstrireba, radganac xalxis

Zala, es aris is erTaderTi

berketi, romelic „qarTuli

ocnebis” xelisuflebasTan brZolis

ualternativo saSualebad

SeiZleba ganvixiloT. swored

amitom 15 maiss, rusTavelis

gamzirze, masStaburi saprotesto

aqcia daanonsa, manamde

ki regionebSi gavida, raTa

mosaxleoba TavianT simarTle-

Si daerwmunebinaT.

opoziciis am gadawyvetilebasTan

erTad, politologebi

alaparakdnen imaze, rom xelisufleba

protestis CasaxSobad

ukve kargad nacad xers mimarTavda

da wina xazze pandemias

da masTan dakavSirebul

SezRudvebs gamoitanda.

„Tu am moZraobam masStabebi

akrifa da xelisuflebam dainaxa,

rom es aris efeqtiani procesi

xalxis gamofxizlebisa da

quCaSi gamosvlis, opoziciam

yvela SemTxvevaSi unda gaiTvaliswinos

is, rom xelisufleba

kovid pandemiis mesame talRas

daaanonsebs da kidev ufro gaamkacrebs

kanonebs, regulaciebs.

miT ufro imis fonze, rom xelisufleba

pandemiis politikuri

miznebis gamoyenebaSi

ukve SemCneulia”, _ es koementri

politologma xaTuna lagaziZem

sainformacio saagento CNews-

Tan 2021 wlis 20 marts gaakeTa.

2021 wlis 12 aprils ki daavadebaTa

kontrolis erovnuli

centris xelmZRvanelma amiran

gamyreliZem gaakeTa gancxadeba,

rom qveyanaSi kovid pandemiis

mesame talRaa da aseve gaizarda

kovid 19-is britanuli Stamis

SemTxvevebic.

„epidsituacia msoflioSi,

evropaSi, CvenTan TandaTan

rTuldeba. mogexsenebaT, bevr

qveyanaSi koronavirusis mesame

talRa dawyebulia. realurad,

CvenTanac SegviZlia vTqvaT,

rom koronavirusis mesame tal-

Ra daiwyo”.

„qronika+~ Seecada gaego

opoziciuri partiebis warmo-

madgenlebis pozicia sakiTxis

Sesaxeb:

_ aris Tu ara kavSiri mesame

talRasa da Tqven mier daanonsebul

15 maisis aqciasTan?

_ xom ar fiqrobT, rom imunologebis

mowodebebi regulaciebTan

dakaSirebiT da is gamocdileba,

rac pirveli da meore

talRidan gamomdinare gqondaT,

negatiur asaxvas hpovebs

opoziciis mier daanonsebul

aqtivobebze?

irakli kupraZe _ „lelo”:

_ faqtobrivi mocemuleba

saxezea, rom mesame talRa iwyeba.

pasuximgebloba, upirveles

yovlisa, ra Tqma unda, „qarTuli

ocnebis” xelisuflebas ekisreba,

radgan maT ver SeZles im

prevenciuli zomebis ganxorcieleba,

rogoricaa vaqcinacia,

swori regulireba, rac ar gamoixateba

komendantis saaTSi.

unda ganxorcieldes monitoringi

da kontroli, magaliTad,

mravalricxovani RonisZiebisadmi.

am yvelafers ver Se-

Zlebdnen, imitom rom imdenad

SerCeviTi iyo es regulireba,

sazogadoebas rwmena aqvs dakarguli

am akrZalvebis mimarT. aravis

hqonda ufleba raRac tipis

RonisZiebebis Catarebis,

garda „qarTuli ocnebis“ deputatebis,

Cinovnikebisa da meriis

TanamSromlebisa, rac aisaxa

Sesabamisad am regulirebis

mravalricxovan darRvevebSi.

rac Seexeba am yvelafris politikur

procesebTan dakvSirebas,

cxadia, „qarTuli ocneba” mesame

talRis faqtorebs politikuri

zewolis meqanizmad iyenebs,

maT Soris, sazogadoebis

dasaSineblad. isini amboben imas,

rom pandemia ufro da ufro

Zlierdeba, maSin roca opozicia

emzadeba masStaburi aqciisTvis.

es aris politkuri spekulacia,

rac „qarTuli ocnebisTvis”

nacnobi da Cveuli formaa”

mirdat qamadaZe _ „naciona-

luri moZraoba”:

_ bunebrivia, mesame talRac

da is gancxadebebic, rasac aqamde

akeTebda sakoordinacio sabWo

da imunologebi, pirdapir

kavvSirSia politikur procesebTan.

xelisufleba yvela Sez-

Rudvas iyenebs politikuri

miznebisTvis.

irma inaSvili _ „patriotTa

aliansi”:

_ xelisuflebam imTaviTve

borotad gamoiyena kovidi. am

TemiT isargebla ara marto winasaarCevnod,

aramed arCevnebisas

da Semdgom. xelisufleba

cdilobs, ar dauSvas xalxmravali

aqciebi da amitomac gaagr-

Zela yovlad uazro komendantis

saaTi. amavdroulad, xelisuflebam

araefeqtianad, arakompetenturad

imuSava vaqcinaciis

kuTxiT. ver uzrunvelyo mosaxleobis

masobrivi vaqcinacia.

verc vaqcina SeiZina da arc sainformacio

kampania warmarTa.

dResac xelisufleba cifrebiT

manipulirebs. sazogadoebam

ar icis realuri maCvenebeli. am

dros isev daiwyes kampania mesame

talRis Sesaxeb da aqac xelisufleba

borotad sargeblobs.

nacvlad imisa, rom dRes yvela

acrili viyoT, zRaprebs gviyvebian.

kovidepidemiisas bevri faqtoria

gasaTvaliswinebeli,

mag.: acris win analizi alergiaze,

zogadad, sisxlis analizi,

filtvebis kompiuteruli

gaSuqeba. usaxsrobis gamo xalxi

ver ikeTebs analizs da saxelmwifos

erTi municipaluri dawesebulebac

ar gaaCnia, sadac

gaWirvebul adamianebs ufasod

moemsaxurebian. bevri problemaa

da saxelmwifo ki ar wyvets

am problemebs, gvaSinebs da

gvaSinebs.

SegaxsenebT:

opoziciuri

speqtri, am etapze, regionebSia

gasuli da mosaxleobasTan aqtiur

Sexvedrebs marTavs, raTa,

rogorc Tavad amboben, naTlad

daanaxon is problemebi, romelic

politikur procesebs qveyanaSi

kidev ufro amwvavebs da

CixSi Sehyavs.

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giorgi sakaruli

555 42 42 81


11 weli inaxavda, malavda,

gulSi iklavda im tkivilian da

tragikul periods, rac msaxiob

ninuca mayaSvils yofil

meuRlesTan, msaxiob beso zangurTan

akavSirebda. Tavs gada-

mxdar dramatul movlenebze

msaxiobma ia farulavas gadace-

ma „farul konvertSi” isaubra,

ramac sazogadoeba aRaSfoTa _

msaxiobebis didma nawilma ninu-

cas solidaroba gamoucxada da

rusTavelis Teatric gaemijna

Zaladobas, Tumca dasis samx-

atvro xelmZRvanelma, robert

sturuam, ninuca im qalebs

Seadara, romlebic 1937 wlis

represiebSi monawileobdnen.

sturua aRmoCnda is adamiani,

romelmac xeli daafara mis fa-

vorit msaxiobs da mayaSvilis

sawinaaRmdego statusebs werda.

sazogadoebis mwvave reaqciisa

da didi gamoxmaurebis fonze, Sinagan

saqmeTa saministrom ninuca

mayaSvili uwyebaSi daibara, Tumca

msaxiobi da telewamyvani, jerjerobiT,

sagamoZiebo uwyebaSi

misvlas da Cvenebis micemas ar

apirebs. Tu ratom, _ amaze qvemoT

interviuSi SeityobT.

rusTavelis Teatris dasSi

ganxeTqilebaa _ nawili ninuca

mayaSvils, nawili ki beso zangurs

ucxadebs solidarobas. erT-er-

Tia msaxiobi TamTa inaSvili,

romelic ninuca mayaSvils solidarobas

ucxadebs da ambobs, rom

speqtaklSi, sadac is beso zangurTan

erTad monawileobda,

aRar iTamaSebs. amavdroulad, inaSvilma

robert sturua seqsizm-

Si daadanaSaula.

misi TqmiT, robert sturuasTvis

qali da gansakuTrebiT _

qarTveli qali _ saZulvelia.

„viRac-viRacebi cdiloben misi

simarTlis ugulebelyofas...

arsebobs aseTi speqtakli, „sadRac

cisartyelas miRma“, sadac

erTmaneTs partniorobas vuwevT

me da beso zanguri. protestis

niSnad aRar vapireb masTan erTad

scenaze dgomas!” _ ganacxada

„rusTavelis Teatris” msaxiobma

TamTa inaSvilma.

kviris skandalur Temaze, yofil

moZalade meuRleze, Svilsa

da sxva saintereso detalebze

„qronika+~-s ninuca mayaS-

vili esaubreba:

_ ninuca, Sen mimarT soli-

daroba ar wydeba da, SeiZleba

iTqvas, Zalian bevri adamiani

gaaerTiane. ramdenad elodi,

rom am yvelafers aseTi gamox-

maureba mohyveboda da rogor

fiqrob, ratom aRmoCnda es Tema

sazogadoebisTvis gansakuTre-

bulad mniSvnelovani?

_ amxela doziT gamoxmaurebas

namdvilad ar velodebodi da ar

megona, rom aseT aJiotaJsa da

xmaurs gamoiwvevda. Tumca, albaT,

bevri msgavsi SemTxveva rom

aris, amitomac mohyva amxela reagireba

sxva qalbatonebisgan da

jansaRad moazrovne adamianebisgan.

_ msaxiobebis Zalian didi naw-

ili dagidga gverdiT. albaT,

bevri qalis problema gaaxmov-

ane...

_ diax, Zalian bevri Setyobineba

miviRe am ori dRis ganmavlobaSi

da saTiTaod vcdilob, yve-

28

ninuca mayaSvilis

ninuca mayaSvili:

`martivia, susti

daCagro da

daartya imas,

vinc xels ar

Semogibrunebs~

la im qalbatons, romelic axla

am mdgomareobaSia, raRacnairad

vupasuxo, vanugeSo da vaCveno,

rom arsebobs gamosavali da is,

rom ra situaciaSic axla imyofebian,

damTavrebadi da mospobadia

da piriqiT, erTaderTi, rasac

ver an ar akeTeben aris is, rom

xmas ver iReben. mindoda, rom

maTi xma vyofiliyavi. es qalbatonebi

madlobas mixdidnen, meubnebodnen,

rom egonaT, maTze

vsaubrobdi da maT saTqmels vambobdi.

_ vfiqrob, sazogadoebam

Zalian sworad gaigo Seni naTqvami

da, SeiZleba iTqvas, namd-

vilad gaaxmovane bevri qalis

problema, magram ratom dRes?

gasagebia, rom gadacemam, Temam,

situaciam ganapiroba Seni ala-

parakeba, magram ratom inaxavdi

am tkivils aqamde? ratom ar

gagiCnda survili, rom es yve-

laferi wlebis winaT geTqva?

_ amas dRes vizamdi, erTi Tvis

Semdeg Tu erTi wlis Tavze,

mocemuloba ar icvleboda. maSin

arc sazogadoeba da arc me viyavi

mzad _ arc fizikurad da arc

moralurad, arc situacia iyo

momwifebuli.... ho, ar viyavi mzad,

rom am yvelaferze mesaubra,

Tundac 11 an 9 wlis winaT. Zalian

gavizarde, gadavlaxe bevri dabrkoleba.

CemTvis axla es Tema

ukve gavlilia, gadavitane da

emociurad aRar mawuxebs.

_ am situaciam, rogorc adamians

da rogorc qals, daRi da-

gasva?

_ maCvene adamiani, romelzedac

Zaladoben, gind fizikurad,

gind fsiqologiurad da es mas

daRs ar daasvams. ra Tqma unda,

damasva daRi, Tumca mainc SevZeli

jansaRi azrovnebis SenarCuneba

da pozitiurad vuyureb samyaros

da am cxovrebas.

_ ninuca, Sen Tqvi, rom yofili

meuRle Zalian xSirad Zaladobda

Cemzeo, maT Soris, orsulobis

periodSic. konkretu-

lad, ra saxis Zaladobas gulisxmob

da ramdenad xSirad xdebo-

da es?

_ Zaladoba aris nebismier sakiTxSi

Zaladoba _ ar aqvs mniSvneloba,

es fsiqologiuri iqneba,

moraluri Tu sxva. Zaladoba

nebismier situaciaSi, rogoric

ar unda iyos, aris cudi, araswori

da dauSvebeli. iyo, ra Tqma

unda, xeliT Sexebac, iyo sityvieri

Seuracxyofac, fsiqologiuri

daTrgunva da mokled,

yvelanairi Zaladoba iyo.

_ es sxvebma icodnen?

_ ra Tqma unda, magram ase

konkretulad da detalurad _

ara, Tumca yvela yvelafers

xvdeboda da yvelam yvelaferi

icoda. ubralod, me ar vsaubrobdi

ase xmamaRla.

ar maxsovs, pirvelad ra mizeziT

mcema, magram maxsovs, misi

ojaxis wevrebis win mcema! Zalian!

da me viyavi orsuli. am yvelafers

mere mosdevda xolme bodiSebisa

da saCuqrebis korianteli,

romelic araferSi mWirdeboda.

_ sakmaod didxan inaxavdi am

problemas, ratom droze ar

daasrule?

_ roca raRacis geSinia da vakuumSi

cxovrob, ase martivad ver

adgebi da ver wamoxval, radgan

SiSis faqtori arsebobs. magali-

Tad, roca saxuravze an maRal

sarTulze dgaxar da unda gadaxte,

ar ici, paraSuti gagexseneba

Tu ara, am dros xom fiqrob da

geSinia. SiSi nebismier SemTxveva-

Si aris SegrZneba, romelic bevr

raRacas gakeTebinebs an ar gakeTebinebs.

_ Tan gamoucdeli da patarac

iyavi...

_ ki, Zalian patara viyavi.

_ roca fizikurad Zaladob-

da, nasvam mdgomareobaSi iyo Tu

fxizeli?

_ fxizelic yofila da nasvamic,

ar aqvs mniSvneloba, _ adamians

konkretuli mizezi ar sWirdeba

Saris mosadebad.

_ ZiriTadi mizezi ra hqonda

xolme, ris gamo gayenebda fiz-

ikur Seuracxyofas?

_ arasdros hqonia mizezi. eg

aris gamoricxuli, rom mizezi

mimeca. mizezi SeiZleba yofiliyo

Cemi daRlili saxec ki. mizezi

SeiZleboda yofiliyo is, roca,

magaliTad, wiTel SuqniSanze

videqiT manqaniT da ubralod

mowyenili viyavi, eTqva, rom me

var uJmuri. mizezi SeiZleboda

yofiliyo quCaSi danaxuli vinme

biWi. Zalian martivia, susti da-

Cagro, Zalian martivia, daartya

imas, vinc xels ar Semogibrunebs.

_ ninuca, Sss-m dakiTxvaze

dagibara, magram Sen ar waxvedi,

_ ar vapireb, rom vuCivloo. ra-

tom ar apireb saqmis aRZvras?

_ imitom, rom Cemi mizani am

adamianis gasamarTleba ar yofila,

radgan mas hyavs meuRle, sami

`vcdilob, Svili am

situacias avarido~

mcirewlovani bavSvi da aranairi

survili ar maqvs, is bavSvebi umamod

gaizardon. es rom mdomoda,

Tavis droze gavakeTebdi am yvelafers

da Cavayudebdi cixeSi,

magram ar aris Cemi mizani misi

dakaveba. me, ubralod, vsaubrobdi

yvela im qalbatonze, visac

axla uWirs da sWirdeba daxmareba

da ara is, rom me amiT samarTlis

aRsrulebas viTxovdi. mas

isic eyofa, ra situaciaSic axla

aris.

_ dRes xom ar gaqvs SiSis faq-

tori, rom isev rames dagiSavebs

da amis gamo xom ar ikaveb Tavs

Civilisgan?

_ ara, ra Tqma unda, aranairi

SiSis faqtori aRar maqvs. zustad

eg aris is, ris gamoc gadavwyvite,

rom amdeni xnis mere mesaubra.

imdenad darwmunebuli

var Cemsa da im adamianebis Zala-

Si, vinc gverdiT myavs, rom risi

unda meSinodes!

_ bunebrivi da logikuri

kiTxva Cndeba, Tu ratom ar gada-

wyvite Civili wlebis winaT?

_ vimeoreb: ar iyo es situacia

10-11 wlis winaT. qalebs kidev

eSinodaT. SeiZleba, raRac momentSi

qals dabraleboda yvelaferi.

Tanac, arasdros mqonia amis

amsaxveli faqtebi, garda imisa,

rom dazianebebs is adamianebi naxulobdnen,

romlebic Cem gverdiT

iyvnen, magram arc maSin mdomebia

Civili da axlac ar minda.

_ gadacemis Semdeg Tu

dagikavSirda beso?

_ ara, ra Tqma unda.

_ robert sturuas komen-

tarze minda gkiTxo: man im

qalebs Segadara, romlebmac 1937

wels represiebSi miiRes monawileoba.

marTalia, sturuas gan-

sakuTrebulad uyvars zanguri

da, zogadad, mas sCvevia msaxiobebis

amoCemeba, rogorc am-

boben, magram elodi mis aseT

pozicias?

_ sturuas gansakuTrebulze

gansakuTrebulad uyvars da, Sesabamisad,

mas araerTxel mouTmenia

mag adamianis gamo Seuracxyofa

da Tavad mag adamianisganac.

maT TavianTi urTierToba aqvT

da orives RmerTma gaumarjos.

rogori urTierTobac aqvT, Tvi-

Ton ician. ar vici, albaT, gansakuTrebulad

uyvars, rom ver

xvdeba da adekvaturad ver aRiqvams

situacias. zustad vicodi,

rom msgavss raRacas dawerda da

arc gamkvirvebia, arc Semxebia

misi es komentari. me mag personisadmi

damokidebuleba didi xnis

winaT davkarge, ase rom, CemTvis,

ubralod, rigiTi adamiania.

_ wlebis winaT beso zangurma

7000 dolari rom mouxsna

kartidan robert sturuas, eg

ambavi icodi?

_ ara, ar vicodi namdvilad.

sad waiRo mere? moetana saxlSi

(icinis).

_ rogorc amboben, manqana iy-

ida. ninuca, Sen da besos saerTo

Svili gyavT. rogorc mama Tu

patronobs an patronobda

Svils?

_ ara, ra Tqma unda.

28 N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.

_ anu SvilTan aranairi kontaqti

ar aqvs, mokiTxvis don-

ezec?

_ ara.

_ bavSvi Sens gvarzea?

_ ara, nodariko zanguria, imitom

rom bavSvi aris arasrulwlovani

da es yvelaferi ar icis.

axlac vcdilob, am situacias avarido

da maqsimalurad gavwelav

dros, es yvelaferi mas ar Seexos.

ase rom, araferi msgavsi ar

icis.

_ anu bavSvma ar icis araferi

am situaciaze?

_ ara, ra Tqma unda, rac axla

xdeba arc eg icis, sabednierod.

didad ar uyurebs televizors

da sainformacios. telefonSic

mxolod TamaSebs TamaSobs da ar

scalia imisTvis, rom msgavss

raRacebSi Seixedos. „feisbuqic”

ar aqvs.

_ ninuca, „rusTavi 2-is” di-

laSi muSaob. TeatrSi aRar xar.

ar genatreba?

_ Teatri... mas Semdeg, rac

„rusTavelis Teatridan” gamomiSves,

Teatraluri cxovrebisken

aRarc vixedebi da arc _ mainteresebs.

_ ratom, msaxiobobaze uars

acxadeb?

_ ara, zogadad, aRar mimiwevs

guli Teatrisken. am kacma moaxerxa

da SemazizRa saerTod yvelaferi

msgavsi. Zalian menatreba

speqtaklebSi TamaSi da Tu

iqneba erTjeradi TamaSis Sesa-

Zlebloba, aucileblad miviReb

monawileobas, Tumca rom vTqva,

romelime TeatrTan minda kontraqti

an isev Cemi profesiis

dabrunebaze vocnebob-meTqi, movityuebi.

_ ratom ase?

_ imitom, rom jer ar var magisTvis

mzad, arc minda.

_ „rusTavelis Teatridan” ra

mizeziT gamogiSves?

_ maTi TqmiT, mizezi iyo is,

rom saTanadod ar miyvarda Teatri.

„qronika+~ daukavSirda „rus-

Tavelis Teatris” sazogadoe-

basTan urTierTobis samsaxuris

ufros ia SerazadiSvils da

dainteresda,

gaaTavisufle-

ben Tu ara msaxiob beso zangurs

Teatridan?

_ aranairi samarTlebrivi

forma Cven am etapze ar gagvaCnia.

rogorc ki es yvelaferi samarTlebriv

CarCoebSi Cajdeba,

daiwyeba gamoZieba da Tu damtkicdeba

faqti, am SemTxvevaSi Teatri

imsjelebs, Tu ra unda gaakeTos

konkretul situaciaSi.

_ samarTlebrivi gasagebia,

magram moraluri kuTxiT?

_ Cven iuridiuli dawesebuleba

varT. 11 wlis winaT ra moxda,

ciliswamebaze sarCeli SeuZlia

Seitanos beso zangurma da am yvelafers

mieces samarTlebrivi

forma.

_ rusTavelis Teatris pozi-

cia rogoria am SemTxvevaSi.

gmobs Tu ara Zaladobas Teat-

ris administracia?

_ mTlianad rusTavelis Teatris

dasi, reJisorebi, teqnikuri

jgufi iqneba es Tu sxva, yvela

vemijnebiT Zaladobas.

sazogadoebis didi mxardaWerisa

da gamoxmaurebis Semdeg kulturis

ministrma ramdenimedRiani

dumili daarRvia da msaxiob ninuca

mayaSvils gamoZiebasTan

TanamSromlobisken mouwoda. wulukianis

TqmiT, Zaladobaze saubari

arasdrosaa gvian.

ministrma aseve ZaladobaSi

braldebul beso zangurs mouwoda,

rom saswrafod daetovebina

rusTavelis Teatri:

„kargi iqneba, Tu beso zanguri

dResve saswrafod datovebs Teatrs”,

_ ganacxada Tea wulukianma.

swored ministris gancxadebis

Semdeg rusTavelis Teatris

administraciam miiRo gadawyvetileba,

rom msaxiobi beso zanguri

yvela rolidan moexsna.

Sesabamiss brZanebas rusTavelis

Teatris xelmZRvanelis movaleobis

Semsrulebelma robert

sturuam ukve moawera xeli.

brZaneba, 16 aprils gamoica da

N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.


nino wilosani, „qarTuli oc-

nebis” deputati:

_ samwuxarod, ojaxSi Zaladobis

faqtebze sazogadoebis

reaqcia jer isev araerTgvarovania...

xSirad gvesmis moZaladis

gamamarTlebeli stereotipuli

fraza: „col-qmars Soris Cxubi

araferia“, aseve qalis dadana-

Saulebisa da gansjis mankieri

praqtika kvlav rCeba sazogadoebisTvis

erT-erT mniSvnelovan

gamowvevad...

xSirad imis nacvlad, rom sazogadoebam

mxari dauWiros Zal-

adobis skandaluri interviu `rac `rusTavelis

Teatridan~ gamomiSves,

Teatraluri

cxovrebisken aRarc

vixedebi da arc

mainteresebs~

ukve ZalaSi Sevida:

„zanguri mimdinare repertuaris

yvela speqtaklidan moxsnilia

manam, sanam ar gairkveva

misi braleuloba kanonmdeblobiT

dadgenili wesiT”, _ naTqvamia

brZanebaSi.

daiwyeba Tu ara gamoZieba Zaladobis

faqtze da iTanamSromlebs

Tu ara msaxiobi ninuca mayaSvili

gamoZiebasTan, amas dro

gviCvenebs.

„qronika+~ gTavazobT msaxiob

ninuca mayaSvilis mimarT solidaruli

adamianebis komentarebs.

nino kasraZe, msaxiobi:

_ is, rom ninuca amaze ar saubrobda,

es konteqstis bralia.

Zalian didi nawili mas gverdiT

daudga, magram mikvirs im xalxis,

romelic ambobs, rom 11 wlis

mere ratom Tqvao?.. zogjer Sei-

Zleba, 31 weli dagWirdes imisTvis,

rom isaubro. Cven yvelas

gvekisreba Cveni wili pasuxismgebloba.

is, rom ninucam SeZlo,

moikriba Zala da amaze isaubra,

es sxvebisTvis magaliTia. ninucas

unda vacadoT, rom man miiRos

gadawyvetileba da sazogadoeba

unda iyos sensitiuri. Zalian rTuli

gza gaiara ninucam da igi kidev

ufro rTuli gzis dasawyisSia,

_ ase unda Seafason, xolo

samarTlebrivi Sefaseba sxva sakiTxia.

18 wlis qaliSvili myavs da

biWi aris 16 wlis. mzaravs imis

warmodgena, rom aseTi rame Sei-

Zleba Cems Svilsac gadaxdes, gogosac

da biWsac. da kidev ufro

metad is mzaravs, rom Cemi Svili

SeiZleba iyos moZalade.

qeTi svaniZe, rusTavelis Te-

atris msaxiobi:

_ ojaxuri Zaladobis instituti,

saubedurod, yovelTvis

iyo da arsebobda sazogadoebaSi.

ufro samwuxaroa is faqti, rom

qalebs amis Taobaze Riad saubari

uWirT. qalebi xmamaRla unda

saubrobdnen Zaladobis Sesaxeb

da amis aRiarebis ar unda eSinodeT.

me mxars vuWer Zaladobis

msxverpl yvela qals da vucxadeb

maT solidarobas... me, rogorc

rusTavelis Teatris msaxiobi,

vgmob Zaladobas! ara Zaladobas!

laSa buRaZe, mwerali:

_ moZalade fsiqopatisgan,

vinc fizikurad masze susts Cagravs,

Zaladobs da agresias ver

akontrolebs, arc Cognis qneviT

mopovebuli gamarjveba CaiTvleba

raimenair Rirebulebad da arc

scenaze dgoma „msaxiob-akademikosad“

_ moZalade moZaladea da

sxva yvelaferi araaqtualuria.

Cemi solidaroba msaxiob ninuca

mayaSvils! vamayob am adamianis gabedulebiT.

misi kolegebis umravlesobisgan

dumili ki, imedia,

droebiTia... amoiReT xma!

elene macxonaSvili, re-

Jisori:

_ diax, es kaci aris moZalade!

Teatralur universitetSi, bevri

wlis winaT Cemi TvaliT vnaxe,

beso zanguri rogor scemda

Tavisive Seyvarebul gogos. scemda

auditoriaSi da scemda umowyalod!

sakmaod rTulad da didi

gaWirvebiT gamovglijeT is gogo

maSin xelidan! imedi maqvs, sxva

Teatrebi da Teatris moRvaweebi

mainc ilaparakeben Zaladobaze,

ilaparakeben adekvaturad da sa-

Rad! dagmoba cotaa! dacinvas

ufro hgavs eg. hoda, vinc Zaladobas

ar emijnebiT, „erovnuli

statusic“ ukan gaikeTeT!

msxverpl qals, is cdilobs

mis gaCumebas da ar erideba

msxverplis mimarT usafuZvlo

kritikas. qalTa mimarT Zaladobis

faqtebis gaxSirebis fonze,

gansakuTrebiT saSiSia iseTi diskriminaciuli

da siZulvilis enis

Semcveli gancxadebebi, romlebic

amarTlebs da icavs moZalades.

am mocemulobis paralelurad

mixaria, rom kanonmdebloba genderulad

mgrZnobiarea da uzrunvelvyofs

msxverplis samarTlebriv

dacvas. aqve unda aRiniSnos,

rom amis miuxedavad, mZimea

sazogadoebrivi tvirTi, romelic

damatebiT simZimed evlinebaT

msxverpl qalebs da maT gaCumebisken

ubiZgebs. msurs, solidaroba

gamovucxado da gavamxnevo

ninuca mayaSvili, aseve masTan er-

Tad yvela is qali, romelsac er-

Txel mainc ganucdia fizikuri

Tu sxva saxis Zaladoba. samagaliToa

ninucas gambedaoba, esaubra

am mZime gamocdilebaze, radgan

yovel aseT SemTxvevaSi qalTa

mimarT Zaladobis prevencias ewyoba

xeli.

daTa TavaZe, reJisori:

_ mTeli guliT vamayob ninucas

gambedaobiT. erTia, sakuTar

TavSi imis Zala monaxo, rom Seni

istoria moyve da meorea, imis mxneobac

geyos, optimistur, gamosavlisken

orientirebul mowodebad

aqcio igi. visurveb, erTmaneTi

ise gavaZlieroT, rom Ti-

Toeulma Cvenganma ipovos sakuTar

TavSi es didi mxneoba da gambedaoba!

Zalian vwuxvar, rom is Teatri,

romelsac udidesi mniSvneloba

aqvs CemTvis, yvela is

msaxiobi, romelic miyvars adamianuradac

da rogorc mayurebels,

aRmoCndnen am mdgomareoba-

Si! diax, dRevandeli rusTavelis

Teatri sapyrobilea _ aq aZeveben

politikuri niSniT, gansxvavebul,

kritikul azrs axSoben da

xels afareben moZaladeebs...

gaugonaria, nebismier saxelmwifo

institucias amgvari reputacia

hqondes! gaugonaria, gadasaxadebis

gadamxdelebis fuliT

finansdebodnen moZaladeebi.

maia kaWkaWiSvili, kompozi-

tori:

_ uux, Sen genacvale siZliereSi!

axla ufro kargad vxvdebi,

ratom maqvs didi problemebi mamrobiT

sqesTan da ratom xvdebodaT

maT TavSi Cemi Zalian mZime

CanTebi (bevri dameTanxmeba moZalade

uzrdel, xepre da kormiT

gamozrdil oras kiloian dacvebs

CanTa da masSi moTavsebuli

yvela sunamo da kidev mravali

sagani elewebodaT Tavze _

yvelas ar exeba, ra Tqma unda).

magram iseTi mesxuri suli maqvs

(gecodinebaT mesxebze legendebi

mainc), rom nebismieri moZaladis

winaSe bolo amosunTqvamde vibrZoleb!!!

Zirs arakacebi!

nuki koSkeliSvili, telewamy-

vani:

_ samagaliTo iyo ninucas saqcieli

da Zalian saWiro iyo amis

gasajaroeba. aravis unda SerCes

Zaladoba!

„qronika+~ gmobs yvelanairi

saxis Zaladobas da solidarobas

ucxadebs msaxiobsa da telewamyvan

ninuca mayaSvils.

29

irina makariZe

sruliad saqarTvelo gafacicebiT adevnebs Tvals leCx-

umSi ganviTarebul movlenebs namoxvanhesis mSeneblobis

Sesaxeb. unda aSendes Tu ar aSendes hesi? ra lafsusebia xe-

lSekrulebaSi?

ramdenad SesaZlebelia xe-

lSekrulebis gauqmeba da ra

perspeqtiva aqvs rionis xeo-

bis protests? _ am sakiTxebze

„qronika+~-s

analitikosi,

profesori demur giorxeliZe

esaubra:

_ batono demur, rogoria

Tqveni pozicia namoxvanhesis

proeqtis Sesaxeb?

_ me Tavad vxelmZRvanelobdi

saqarTvelos socialurekonomikuri

ganviTarebis koncefciis

Seqmnas, amdenad, kargad

vicnob ekonomikis ganvi-

Tarebis mimarTulebebs, romelic

erT-erT komponentad sa-

Tbob-energetikuli bazis ganviTarebas

moicavs da ara mxolod

hidroenergetikis. namoxvanhesis

proeqti aris izolirebuli,

wertilovani proeqti,

romelic ar aris qarTuli ekonomikis

ganviTarebasa da raRac

miTiur energodamoukideblobaze

orientirebuli, aramed

mimarTulia konkretul interesebze.

rac Seexeba uSualod namoxvanhess,

Tu Cven mas ekonomikis

ganviTarebas vukavSirebT, es

sxva Temaa, magram araferi amis

msgavsi ar gvaqvs. es aris qar-

Tveli xalxis resursi, romelic

racionalurad unda iyos

gamoyenebuli, rom momaval

Taobebsac hqondes misi gamoyenebis

saSualeba, _ Cven amis

msgavss verafers vxedavT.

Tu namoxvanhesi unda aSendes

da saqarTvelos xelisufleba

amas daasabuTebs, maSin

mas SeuZlia Seqmnas saaqcio

sazogadoeba, gayidos aqciebi

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebze,

dasawyisSi Cados Tavis wilic.

saaqcio sazogadoeba, romelic

Zalian swrafad moagrovebs

fuls yovelgvari Turqi

investoris gareSe, gamoacxadebs

saerTaSoriso konkurss.

yvelaferi gakeTdeba ukanaskneli

teqnologiebis doneze

da am hesis mflobeli iqneba

qarTveli xalxi. bankebSi 8 milioni

lari devs ise, rom es

fuli ekonomikaSi ar monawileobs,

xelisufleba Tu moindomebs,

es fuli wava ekonomikaSi.

_ am konkretul SemTxveva-

Si, roca ukve xelSekruleba

dadebulia, investori arsebobs,

meore mxriv ki aris ase-

Ti saxalxo protesti, gamo-

savali ra SeiZleba iyos?

_ es xelSekruleba scildeba

erTi hesis mSeneblobis mas-

Stabebs. asobiT heqtari miwis

gadacema wiaRiseulis mopovebis

uflebiT ar ukavSirdeba

hesis mSeneblobas. hesis mSenebloba

aris fasadi, romlis

ukan Cven ar viciT, ra imaleba.

hesis mSenebloba rom CaiSalos,

es miwebi mainc Turqebis

sakuTrebaSi rCeba da a. S. es

uamrav kiTxvas aCens.

amasTan, proeqti ar aris

damuSavebuli, igi ar ganxilu-


la etapobrivad. dRes, roca

gadawyvetileba miRebulia, saubari

imaze, rom Cven viRac

ucxoel specialistebs moviwvevT

da isini gvetyvian, es

yvelaferi kargiao, msgavsi midgomebi

Zalian saxifaToa.

jer erTi, rom garkveuli

politikuri interesis mqone

mezobeli Semoiyvano da aseTi

masStabis sayrdeni gauCino aq,

roca amis aranairi saWiroeba

ar aris, es sxva ramea. amitom

vambob, es aris SeniRbva imis,

rac am proeqtis ukan dgas.

rac Seexeba saqarTvelos

mTavrobasa da kompanias Soris

dadebul xelSekrulebas, romelic

aris kabaluri da gamoricxavs

raime daTmobaze wasvlas,

es Zalze saSiSi precendentia.

_ ra gza SeiZleba arsebob-

des am xelSekrulebis CaSlis

an rame formiT amaze uaris

Tqmis?

_ amas sWirdeba ara lokaluri

protesti, ara im saxis

protesti, rac axla arsebobs,

aramed sayovelTao protesti,

radgan es exeba saqarTvelos

da qarTuli saxelmwifos momavals.

saqarTveloSi situacia da

Zalauflebis konstruqcia

vinc icis, da moexseneba, rogor

miiReba gadawyvetileba, Zneli

misaxvedri araa, rom Turquli

kompania Semoiyvana iseTma

Zalam, romelsac Zalian didi

gavlenebi aqvs qveyanaSi.

mTavrobasa da premier-ministrs

ar SeuZlia amis gakeTeba,

radgan es mis Zalebs aRemateba.

Cven ar gvyavs iseTi mTavrobebi,

sadac gamarjvebuli

partiis liderebi iyvnen pasuxismgeblebi

amomrCevlis winaSe,

Cven cota sxva struqtura gvaqvs.

am proeqtis ukan dgas

Zalze gavleniani jgufi.

_ ra Zalasa da ra jgufze

saubrobT da midis Tu ara es

kavSiri ivaniSvilTan?

_ ar var is adamiani, Woraobas

rom mihyves intervius

dros. kidev geubnebiT, gadawyvetileba

miRebulia umaRlesi

Zalauflebis jgufis mier,

romelic saerTod ar aris oficialuri

struqturis warmomadgeneli.

oficialuri struqturebi

mxolod notariusis

funqcias asruleben. _ aba,

araformaluri Zalaufleba

sxvas vis aqvs kidev qveyanaSi?

_ me geubnebiT imas, rac aris,

danarCeni Tqven ifiqreT...

_ Tqven ambobdiT, rom xe-

obaSi arsebuli wiaRiseuli

SesaZloa, erT-erTi mizezi

iyos am proeqtiT dainterese-

bis. amis Sesaxeb ras ityviT?

_ elementarulia: pasuxismgeblobis

mqone xelisuflebam

gaasxviso teritoria 99

wliT iseTi ambiciis mqone mezobelze,

iseTi proeqtiT, romelic

ar jdeba mxolod eleqtrosadguris

formatSi, e. i.,

vin dgas

namoxvanhesis

proeqtis

ukan?

ès xelSekruleba scildeba erTi hesis

mSeneblobis masStabebs. asobiT heqtari miwis

gadacema wiaRiseulis mopovebis uflebiT ar

ukavSirdeba hesis mSeneblobas. hesis mSenebloba

aris fasadi, romlis ukan Cven ar viciT, ra

imaleba. hesis mSenebloba rom CaiSalos, es

miwebi mainc Turqebis sakuTrebaSi rCeba da a.

S. es uamrav kiTxvas aCens~

amas aqvs gacilebiT Rrma miznebi.

es ar aris ekonomikuri

proeqti, es aris gacilebiT

sxva rangis politikuri proeqti.

aq aris geopolitikis gavlena

da amis Turnavasa da daviTaSvilis

doneze dayvana,

romlebic mxolod Semsruleblebi

arian, Secdomaa.

_ anu rionis xeobis mosaxleobis

protesti

marcx-

isTvisaa ganwiruli?

_ Zalian kargi axalgazrdebi

arian, magram politika am

biWebze Zlieria. gadawyvetileba

ar aris miRebuli viRacis

saministros doneze. am biWebis

damarcxeba aranairad ar

SeiZleba iyos sasurveli. pasuxismgebliani

sazogadoeba

axalgazrdebsa da qalbatonebs

wina xazze ar ayenebs, iq ufro

mowifuli Taoba unda idges.

ar SeZleba, am biWebisgan axali

beladebis Seqmnis mcdeloba,

romelic daangrevs maT.

30 welia, bevri axalgazrda daangria

politikam da aRar arian

es axalgazrdebi politika-

Si. saRi biWebi arian da Tu politikaSi

apireben yofnas,

sjobs, etapobrivad gazardon

sakuTari Tavi. am doneze am

uzarmazari gadawyvetilebis

gaprotesteba Sedegs ar moitans

da damarcxdeba.

_ TviTon amboben, rom

politikasa da politikosebs

emijnebian da ar iyeneben maT

gverdiT, es ramdenad swori

gadawyvetilebaa?

_ es maTi mcdari gadawyvetilebebia.

isini Tu fiqroben,

rom am gadawyvetilebiT Sedegs

miiReben da SeZleben ramis Se-

Cerebas, Zalian cdebian. axalgazrdebi

ukve mcdar gzaze

dganan, isini ver daudgebian

amas win, politika maTze Zlieria.

ras hqvia, gamijvna? protesti

exeba saqarTvelos interesebs.

Tu es aris lokalurad

am jgufis interesebSi, ki

batono, magram sayovelTao

protests veravin daudgeba

win. sayovelTao protestSi

yvela iqneba monawile, es aris

mSvidobiani, oRond gamafrTxilebeli

protesti xelisuflebisTvis,

_ yvelgan, yvela

qalaqSi, yvela magistralze

rom gaCerdeba qveyana ramdenime

saaTiT da signals micems

xelisuflebas,

_ hesis mowinaaRmdegeebs,

romlebic iq TurqeTis miuRe-

blobaze akeTeben aqcents,

prorusul interesebSi adana-

Sauleben, amis Sesaxeb ras

ityviT?

_ ra SuaSia ruseTi? 99 wliT

Turqebs mieci miwa da es gadawyvetileba

kargia da vinme Tu

aprotestebs, is aris prorusi?

es saukeTesod damuSavebuli

teqnologiaa, romelic swored

aseT proeqtebs vinc gaaprotestebs,

yvelas prorusad gamoacxadebs.

es ki aris ukve danaSauli,

romelsac qarTveli

xalxis miamitobaze TamaSi

hqvia. am miamitobas ukve ziani

moaqvs! araviTari prorusoba,

ra SuaSia prorusoba, es sazizRari

propagandaa!

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namoxvanis qronikebi

namoxvanhesis saprotesto aqciis

giga gelxviiZe

dawyebidan 176-e dRea. am drois gan-

592 41 85 85

mavlobaSi rionis xeobis mcvelebSi

saprotesto muxti erTi wuTiTac ki

ar ganelebula da isini kvlavindeburad Cveuli SemarTebiT dganan

TavianTi karmidamosa da miwis sadarajoze. samSoblos siyvaruliT

karvebSi gaTenebuli Rameebi, wvimaSi, qarSi, TovlSi ata-

laxebul miwaze dgoma, _ verc erTma faqtorma ver Cakla da ver

Seasusta brZolis Jini, rom dawyebuli saqme bolomde miiyvanon.

protesti, karvebi, specrazmiTa

da wylis WavliT daS-

lili aqciebi, Cveni qveynisTvis

yoveldRiurobad iqca da Sei-

Zleba, rionis xeobis mcvelebic

ar yofiliyvnen gansakuTrebulebi

am mxriv, Tumca gulgrilad

ver CavuvliT or qalbatons,

_ isini protestis dawye-

bis dRidan gmirulad dganan da

icaven xeobas.

marita museliani da maka su-

laZe _ es is saxelebi da gvarebia,

romlebsac dReSi ramdenjerme

gadavawydebiT xolme. maT

TvalebSi martivad amoikiTxavT

tkivils, sevdasa da sabrZolo

SemarTebas.

„qronika+~-is am nomerSi swored

maTze mogiyvebiT da kidev

ufro axlos gagacnobT qalebs,

romlebic, Tamamad SeiZleba iTqvas,

rom Cveni qveynis saxed iqcnen.

pirveli, visac davukaSirdiT,

maka sulaZea, romelic aqamde

romc ar gcodnodaT am kadriT

aucileblad dagamaxsovrebodaT.

rogorc Tavad gviyveba, es 176

dRe misTvis Zalin mniSvnelovani

da saamayoa da rom arafers nanobs.

maka sulaZe namoxvanisken mimaval

jebirTan cdilobs, xelebis

braxuniT miiqcios samar-

TaldamcvelTa yuradReba.

_ ras niSnavs, 176 dRis man-

Zilze idge saprotesto aq-

ciaze? rogori gancda gaqvT?

_ amaRlebuli gancda maqvs,

Tqven ver warmoidgenT, ra xdeba

Cem irgvliv, rodesac modian Cemi

Tanamemamuleebi qveynis yvela

kuTxidan _ adamianebi, romlebsac

srulebiT ar vicnob. maT-

Tvis Zalian axlobeli var, yvela

mexuteba, mefereba _ Tavi sizmarSi

mgonia. gmiri ar var, rionis

xeobis dasacavad dgoma Cemi

valia. ase mgonia, gmiri sul sxva

adamians niSnavs, me ki CarTuli

var yoveldRiur cxovrebaSi da

es CemTvis Cveulebrivi movlenaa,

es Cemi safiqralia. arafers

iseTs gansakuTrebuls ar vakeTeb,

rom gmiris wodeba SeviSno.

erTaderTi isaa, rom Zalian

miyvars Cemi qveyana da sicocxlis

fasadac rom momiwios misi

dacva, ukan ar davixev.

_ Sss-s warmomadgenlebma

namoxvani danarCeni regionisgan

blokpostiT gamoyves. rogor

SeafasebT maT am nabijs?

_ zustad am wuTas iseTi gancda

maqvs, rom lamis vitiro. sanam

am blokpostebs dadgamdnen da

Tavisuflad gadaadgilebis uflebas

SegvizRudavdnen, yoveldRe

davdiodi da vnaxulobdi

mamas. ver warmomedgina, rom mama-

Cemi dametovebina, magram rodesac

imis problema dadga, rom

maka da marita _ qalebi

protestis Suagulidan

gadaadgileba SeizRuda, vamjobine,

mamaCemi dametovebina marto

da me aq vmdgariyavi (tiris).

CavTvale, rom Cemi aq yofna ufro

mniSvnelovani iyo. yoveldRiurad

sWirdeba meurneobas,

saqonelsa da karmidamos Cemi iq

yofna, magram mirCevnia, is gafu-

Wdes, vidre Cemi uyuradRRebobiT

aq rame daziandes. rodesac

adamiani aq modis da gkiTxulobs,

uxerxulia, ar daxvde mas.

_ ar geSiniaT?

_ ra Tqma unda, SemSinebia,

Tumca ara imis, rom me SeiZleboda

rame momsvloda, aramed

imis, Cems romelime sityvas,

nabijs ar mohyoloda iseTi Sedegi,

rom saqme dazaralebuliyo.

SemSinebia maSin, rodesac mifiqria,

rom Cemi TanamebrZolebi

safrTxis qveS iyvnen.

„qronika+“-is meore respon-

denti marita museliania. visac

namoxvanis aqciisTvis erTxel

mainc mogikravT Tvali, misi saxe

aucileblad dagamaxsovrdebo-

daT, Tumca garda imisa, rom

marita iseve, rogorc maka su-

laZe, aqciaze 176 dRea dgas, is

aseve am aqciis erT-erTi sulis

Camdgmelis, varlam goleTianis

dedaa:

_ simarTle giTxraT, gancdebis

nawili wina planze ar maqvs

wamoweuli. vfiqrob, aman SeiZleba

raRacnairad xeli SeuSalos

Cvens saerTo saqmes. valdebulebi

varT, vidgeT iq da asec viqceviT.

xSirad meubnebian, daRlili

xaro, magram veranair daRlilobas

ver vamCnev sakuTar Tavs

da zustad is SemarTeba maqvs, rac

pirvel dRes mqonda, rodesac es

yvelaferi daviwyeT, miT umetes,

rom asakiT patara ar var da janmrTelobac

aRar maqvs myari.

_ Tqven gmirebs giwodeben. es

ra emociaa TqvenTvis?

_ piradadac gveubnebian, magram

is ZiriTadi principuli da

ideologiuri nawili, rac gansazRvravs

Cvens iq yofnas, ar

aris kavSirSi gmirobasTan, es Cveni

gasakeTebeli saqmea da xandaxan

rom vufiqrdebi, gmiris wodeba

tvirTic ki mgonia, gamomdinare

iqidan, rom ufro maRali

molodinebi uCndebaT amiT adamianebs

CvenTan mimarTebiT da

vSiSob, rame ver gavamarTlo.

_ SiSis gancda Tu gqoniaT?

_ xasiaTiT iseTi var, rom SiSi

maincdamainc ar vici _ svani var,

rac ar unda iyos (icinis). Cemi

ojaxis wevrebi da uaxloesi adamianebi

arian CarTuli am saqme-

Si da yovelTvis aris imis saSiSroeba,

rom raRac moxdes. gamomdinare

aqedan, ra Tqma unda, Cndeba

gancda imisa, rom vinme ar

dazaraldes, vinme ar daSavdes _

sakuTar Tavze naklebad, sxvebis

gamo ufro vSfoTav. SeSinebuli

adamiani verafers gaakeTebs da

Sedegs ver miaRwevs wamowyebul

saqmeSi. Cven maqsimalurad vcdilobT,

sxva adamianebi dartymis

qveS ar dadgnen.

_ am procesebma, albaT, Tqveni

yoveldRiuri cxovrebis rit-

mi da simSvide daarRvia...

_ saxlSi rom mSvidad davjde,

Zalian kargi iqneboda. iseTi adamiani

var, didad saxlidan gasvlac

ar miyvars, Tumca am saqmis

gamo gamovedi da dRes aq vdgavar

_ arCevani gakeTebulia da

mTeli ojaxi aq varT! erTi ZaRli

gvyavda marto saxlSi da isic

SemouerTda protests (icinis).

SegaxsenebT: namoxvanhesis sawinaaRmdego

procesi mas Semdeg

daiwyo, rac qarTulma mxarem Turqul

samSeneblo kompania „enkas”

rionis xeobaSi, sofel namoxvanis

teritoriaze, giganturi hesis

aSenebis ufleba misca da miwa 99

wliT sakuTrebaSi gadasca.

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gaupatiureba,

seqsualuri

Zaladoba, fizikuri zewola da a. S. _ rogorc ki amis Sesaxeb

samTavrobo televizia alaparakda, jandacvis saministrom da

mTavrobis mesveurebma umal komentarebis mTeli kaskadi Se-

mogvTavazes. arada, seqsualuri Zaladobis konkretul faqte-

bze (da ara faqtze, rogorc „rusTavi 2-ma” SemogvTavaza)

„qronika+“ ukve werda. werda ara mxolod kojris SSm pirTa

dawesebulebaze, aramed Zevris, martyofis, duSeTis saxlebze.

reagireba _ nuli. dae, aupatiuron! seqsualurad iZala-

don! scemon! _ Cveni simarTle simarTle ar aris. samagierod,

maTi simarTle _ afrialebuli bairaRia.


risTvis dasWirdaT maincdamainc

axla imis gaJRereba, razedac

Cven wlebia, vyviriT? _ amas

mogvianebiT gavarkvevT. axla ki im

faqtebis Sesaxeb, razedac vafrTxilebdiT

mTavrobas da ris Sesaxebac

araerTi angariSi daudevs

ombudsmenis prevenciul jgufs.

jer CavixedoT, ra weria saqarTvelos

kanonmdeblobaSi. msgavis

tipis dawesebulebebis yvela

beneficiari daculi unda iyos

nebismieri saxis Zaladobisgan:

fizikuri, seqsualuri, fsiqologiuri,

ekonomikuri da iZulebisgan.

maT unda mieceT momsaxurebiT

sargeblobis Tanabari Sesa-

Zlebloba. ramdenime wlis winaT

ombudsmenis aparatma xazgasmiT

miuTiTa Tavis angariSSi, rom kojris

SSm pirTa dawesebuleba araadaptirebuli

infrastruqturiT

gamoirCeva, aseve profesiuli

da damxmare kadrebis simwiriT

da kadrebis dabali profesionalizmiT.

es yvelaferi beneficiarTa

uflebebis uxeSi dar-

Rvevebisa da maT mimarT araTanabari

mopyrobis maprovocirebeli

xdeba.

„qronika+“ xuTze met publikaciaSi

werda, rom ombudsmenis rwmunebulebis

mier beneficiarebTan

interviuebis analizis safuZvelze

monitoringis Sedegad daaskvna,

rom saxelmwifo zrunvis

sistema ver uzrunvelyofs SSm

beneficiaris Zaladobisagan dacvas.

SSm pirebi xSirad Zaladobis

faqtebs fizikur da sityvier Seuracxyofad

moixsenieben, ver axerxeben

faqtebis samedicino da

samarTlebriv Sefasebas da SemTxvevis

aRweras. TanamSromlebi umetesad

damkvirveblis poziciaSi

imyofebian, zogjer ki TviTonve

xdebian Zaladobis msxverpli.

Zalian saintereso faqti iyo

aRniSnuli im angariSebSi, rasac

„qronika+~ wlebis ganmavlobaSi

aqveynebda.

magaliTad, alkoholizmi SSm

pirebs Soris. servisis mimwodeblebi

ver axerxeben alkoholis

Warbi moxmarebisa da misi miRebiT

provocirebuli Zaladobrivi

qcevis marTvas da beneficiarTa

Zaladobisa da eqspluataciisagan

dacvas.

yvela msgavsi saxis dawesebulbaSi

arsebobs specialuri Jurnali,

romelsac hqvia: „Zaladobis

sapasuxod gatarebuli RonisZiebebis

aRricxvis Jurnali“. es Jurnalebi

umetesad ar Seicavs srulyofil

Canawerebs. masSi ar fiqsirdeba

Zaladobis faqtebis sapasuxod

administraciis mier gatarebuli

RonisZiebebi. yvelgan

iCqmaleba fizikuri Tu seqsualuri

Zaladobis faqtebi, yovel

SemTxvevaSi, am JurnalebSi Zaladobis

Sesaxeb pirdapir arc erTi

gancxadeba ar aris. ismis kiTxva:

_ risTvis arsebobs saerTod es

Jurnalebi?! beneficiarebi saku-

Tari kognituri da sensoruli

SesaZleblobis farglebSi saubrobdnen

Tavisuflad, gulaxdilad

yvebodnen sakuTari problemebis

Sesaxeb, faqtebis dazustebis

dros warmoqmnili siZneleebis

SemTxvevaSi, saubarSi rTavdnen

maTTvis sando sxva beneficiars.

mxolod erTma beneficiarma (Zevris

SSm pirTa pansionatSi) gamoxata

SiSi da SfoTva da ganacxada,

rom Tu is eqspertTan saubarSi

servisis mimwodeblebisTvis arasasurvel

informacias gascems,

SeiZleba fizikurad dasajon. roca

monitoringis TanamSromeli

CaekiTxa, ras gulisxmobda dasja-

Si, upasuxa, rom „scemon” anda

„nemsebi” gaukeTon.

„qronika+“ amis Sesaxeb werda

da iciT, sad aris problema? rom

vinc scemda gamokiTxul beneficiars

da „nemsebs ukeTebda”, is

TanamSromeli arc gamovlenila

da arc mokvleva Catarebula. es

masalebi ar gadascemia prokuraturas

Semdgomi ZiebisTvis da

dRes Tu SSm pirebze seqsualuri

Zaladobis serias miviRebT, ar

unda gagvikvirdes.

SegviZlia gavagrZeloT es magaliTebi,

razedac ukve vwerdiT

wlebis ganmavlobaSi da dRes mTeli

saqarTvelo aRSfoTebulia

kojris SSm pirTa dawesebulebaSi

momxdari faqtiT. magaliTad, kojris

SSm pirTa pansionatSi eqspertebis

mier beneficiarTa jgufebis

Semovlis dros dafiqsirda

faqti, romelic erTgvarad Zaladobriv

xasiaTs atarebda. kerZod,

etliT mosargeble da metyvelebis

armqone gogonas aRmzrdeli

saxeze xels afarebda da tuC-kbilis

midamoze xelis mkveTri moWeriT

gamoxatavda „moferebas da

siyvaruls” mis mimarT. datanjulma

gogonam amis Sesaxeb Seatyobina

eqspertebs da iciT, ra ganucxada

aRmzrdelma, rom etliT

mosargeble SSm gogonas saxeSi

waWera siamovnebda. rodesac

„qronika+~ gamoqveynebamde am angariSs

ecnoboda, eqspertis Canawerma

gagvaogna. kerZod, specialuri

prevenciuli jgufis wevrs

darCa STabeWdileba, rom aRmzrdeli

verc ki acnobierebda, rom

beneficiars uxeSad epyroboda da

e aRniSnuli aRmzrdelis kvalifikaciis

dabal doneze miuTiTebs.

gesmiT? imis magivrad, rom

aRmzrdelisTvis qeCoSi moekidaT

xeli da samarTlebrivi pasuxismgeblobis

qveS Tu ara, samudamod

aekrZalaT msgavsi tipis beneficiarebTan

mikareba, aseTi moqceva

dabal kvalifikacias miaweres

da urCies, etliT mosargebles

saxeze xeli aRar mouWiroo.

jer sad xarT! vagrZelebT:

zustad am faqtis paralelurad,

prevenciuli jgufisTvis cnobili

xdeba Zevris SSm pirTa pansionatis

momvlel r.v.-s mier dawesebulebis

erT-erT beneficiarze

savaraudod ganxorcielebuli

Zaladobis faqtis Sesaxeb. miRebuli

informaciis Tanaxmad, SemTxveva

pansionatis gareT, q. TerjolaSi

moxda swored im dros,

rodesac beneficiari garkveuli

samedicino momsaxurebis misaRebad

gadahyavdaT ambulatoriul

dawesebulebaSi. detalebi ar gaxmaurebula,

es momvleli isev muSaobs

Tu ara Zevris bavSvTa saxl-

Si, ucnobia.

duSeTis, martyofisa da Zevris

pansionatebis beneficiarTa Soris

Zaladoba yoveldRiur movlenas

warmoadgens. beneficiarTa Soris

Zaladobis calkeuli SemTxvevebi

kojris SSm bavSvTa saxlSic fiqsirdeba,

„Zaladobis sapasuxod

Zevri, martyofi,

duSeTi, kojori _

seqsualuri Zaladobisa

da cemis faqtebi SSm

pirTa dawesebulebebSi

gatarebuli RonisZiebebis aRricxvis

JurnalSi” es SemTxvevebi

ar fiqsirdeba.

duSeTis SSm pirTa pansionatSi

dafiqsirda beneficiarebs Soris

fizikuri Zaladobis faqti, romlis

safuZvelzec erT-erTi beneficiaris

winaaRmdeg aRiZra sisxlis

samarTlis saqme da Catarebuli

sasamarTlo-samedicino

fsiqiatriuli eqspertizis Semdeg

igi iZulebiT mkurnalobaze gadayvanes.

duSeTis filialis oTxi

beneficiaris urTierTZaladobis

dros erT-erTma beneficiarma

sapatrulo policia gamoiZaxa.

momxdar faqts personali „konfliqtad”

afasebs da Sesabamis JurnalSi

ar miuTiTebs, ra RonisZiebebi

gatarda misi mogvarebis mizniT.

Canawerebis mixedviT, cota

mogvianebiT aRniSnulma ufro

farTo masStabebi SeiZina, konfliqtSi

sxva beneficiarebic CaerTnen

da maTma nawilma protestis

niSnad soflis gza gadaketa.

Canawerebidan ar irkveva protestis

mizezi da Sedegebi.

duSeTis SSm pirTa pansionatSi

gamovlinda ekonomikuri da fsiqologiuri

Zaladobis SemTxvevebi,

rasac, savaraudod, sistematiuri

xasiaTi hqonda, kerZod, erT-erTi

beneficiari, romelic Tavs miiCnevda

sxvebTan SedarebiT maRali

inteleqtualuri SesaZleblobebis

mqoned da „masze dabla mdgomTa”,

romlebmac „wera-kiTxva da

angariSic ki ar ician” uflebebis

damcvelad, acxadebs, rom is maTi

uflebebis dasacavad „SiSveli

SimSilobda”, piri amoikera, „muceli

gadaifatra” da a. S., sanacvlod

ki ar iTxovs wils, magram Tu

vinme Tavisi pensiidan raRac

Tanxas miscems, uars ar etyvis. aq

erTi metad saintereso detali

ikveTeba: aRniSnuli „mayurebeli”

beneficiari gaweuli mfarvelobis

sanacvlod wils ara, magram

moaruli xmebis Tanaxmad, sxva beneficiarebisgan

seqsualur momsaxurebas

moiTxovs. igive beneficiari

brazobs, rom amis gamo mas

„seqsualuri moZaladis” iarliyi

miakeres, magram amave dros ar

uaryofs beneficiarebTan seqsualur

kavSirebs.

kojris SSm bavSvTa saxlSi

aSkarad SesamCnevia samedicino da

aRmzrdeli personalis raodenobis

simcire. „qronika+” ukve werda

imis Sesaxeb, rom erT-erTi

beneficiari rTuli qceviT gamoirCeoda

da xSirad avlenda Zaladobas

sxva beneficiarebis mimarT,

ayenebda maT sxvadasxva saxis

dazianebas, TviTonac iRebda Wrilobebs,

ris Semdeg saswrafo daxmarebas

iZaxebdnen, raTa stacionarSi

gadaeyvanaT.

gonebrivi CamorCenilobisa da

fsiqikuri aSlilobis gamo Sesa-

Zleblobis SezRudvis statusis

mqone pirebi xangrZlivi periodiT

da xSirad sicocxlis bolomde

arian segregirebulebi. sociumidan

gariyulebi kargaven iniciativas

da eCvevian rutinul cxovrebas.

swored es warmoqmnis beneficiarTa

mimarT araTanabari mopyrobis

maRal risks. dRemde beneficiarebi

ar arian informirebulebi

ganxorcielebuli samarTlebrivi

procedurebisa da maTi

meurvis vinaobis Taobaze. isini

piradad ver iReben socialur pakets

(pensia) da Tanxa yovelTviurad

ugrovdebaT sabanko depozitze.

umetesi maTgani amis Taobaze

ar iyo saTanadod informirebuli.

fiqrobdnen, rom pensia umizezod

moexsnaT da mis aRdgenaSi

daxmarebas specialuri prevenciuli

jgufis wevrebisgan iTxovdnen.

beneficiarebis ganmartebiT,

Tanxebis uqonloba maT mniSvnelovan

problemebs uqmnida ver axerxebdnen

saWiro nivTebis SeZenas da

piradi sivrcis mowyobas, sxva instituciaSi

Svilis sanaxavad wasvlas,

tansacmlisa da fexsacmlis

maragis Sevsebas da a. S.

SezRuduli SesaZleblobis

mqone pirebis Zaladobisgan dacva

saerTaSoriso standartebis

mixedviT saxelmwifos umniSvnelovanesi

valdebulebaa. SSm pirTa

uflebebis konvenciis (UNCRPD)

me-16 muxlis Sesabamisad, monawile

saxelmwifoebi iReben yvela

Sesabamiss sakanonmdeblo zomas,

raTa uzrunvelyon SezRuduli

SesaZleblobis mqone pirTa dacva

Zaladobisa da Seuracxyofisgan,

maT Soris, sqesobrivi diskriminaciis

CaTvliT. msoflio

jandacvis organizaciis ganmartebiT,

SSm bavSvebi da zrdasrulebi

seqsualuri Zaladobis gansakuTrebiT

maRali riskis qveS imyofebian.

aRniSnulis gamomwvevi

socialuri dacvis RonisZiebebis

naklebobaa. aseT dawesebulebeb-

Si adamianebs gansakuTrebiT uWirT

Zaladobrivi qmedebebis

gamJRavneba da maTze reagireba.

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32 N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.

2021 weli, msoflioSi Seqmnili

pandemiuri viTarebidan gamomdinare,

krizisuli aRmoCnda

saqarTvelos ekonomikisTvis. amas

daemata SezRudvebi, romelic

udides tvirTad daawva qveynis

ekonomikas, gaCerda yvela wamyvani

segmenti, romelic qveynis biujetis

Sevsebas emsaxureboda, maT

Soris, turizmi, eqsporti, importi

da sxv.

2021 wlis aprilis dasawyisSi

qveynis masStabiT daiwyo saubrebi

valis Sesaxeb, romelic saqar-

Tvelom 2006 wels aiRo. gamoiTqva

uamravi varaudi imis Sesaxeb,

Tu rogor gadaixdida aRebul

500-s milions mTavroba an Seswevda

Tu ara saerTod mas imis SesaZlebloba,

rom vali gaestumrebina.

mTavrobis pasuxi Cveulad

dagvianebuli da Seusabamo iyo _

maT dedlainis win gaaxsendaT,

rom valdebulebebi Sesasrulebeli

hqondaT.

amas mohyva finansTa ministr

ivane maWavarianis gadadgoma.

eqspertebis azriT, amis erT-erTi

mizezi swored sagareo vali gaxda.

mTavrobas biujetSi eguleboda

saxsrebi, romlebic maT gamoiyenes

kidec. saubaria pandemiis

gamo nasesxeb fulze, romelic 3

miliards Seadgenda da gadasaxdeli

Tanxa swored am saxsrebidan

gamoiyo.

es faqti daadastures saqarTvelos

erovnul bankSi da mwuxarebiT

ganacxades, rom rezervebidan

500 milionis erTbaSad

gamokleba logikurad daetyoboda

saqarTvelos biujets.

„diax, iseve rogorc yvela,

mTavrobis sagareo valic saerTa-

Soriso rezervebidan ifareba.

dRevandeli monacemebiT, rezervebis

moculoba 4,1 miliards

Seadgens. dafarvis Sedegad rezervebis

odenoba Semcirdeba Tumca,

ramdenime dReSi rezervebi

kvlav Seivseba”, _ ganacxada

saqarTvelos erovnuli bankis sa-

zogadoebasTan urTierTobis

samsaxuris xelmZRvanelma kaxa

barabaZem.

imave dRes, 12 aprils, valis

gadaxdis bolo dRes, finansTa

saministrom gaavrcela gancxadeba,

rom saerTaSoriso valis gastumrebis

Sesaxeb uwyebaSi ukve

karga xania muSaoben da informaciebi

moumzadeblobis Sesaxeb

sulac ar Seesabameboda simarTles.

magram konkretuli cnoba imis

Sesaxeb, Tu saidan moiZies Tanxebi

an ra kursiT mihyida saqarTvelos

erovnulma bankma valuta

mTavrobas, konfidencialurobis

mizeziT ar gaasajaroes, es maSin,

rodesac finansTa saministroSi

Tavad ar icodnen, sakiTxis romeli

nawili iyo konfidencialuri

da romeli _ ara.

„2011 wels gamoSvebuli evrobondebi

ukve daifara da finans-

Ta saministro axali evroobligaciebis

gamoSvebas gegmavs.

samwuxaroa, rom bolo dReebia,

aRniSnul Temaze vrceldeba arakompetenturi

Sefasebebi, maT

Soris, im pirovnebebis mxridan,

romlebmac wesiT, unda icodnen,

rom aRniSnul process gamoSveb-

nika arqania


yvelaferi 2006 wels daiwyo, rodesac saqarTvelom 5-

wliani obligaciebis saxiT sagareo vali aiRo. 2011-sa da 2016

wlebSi vali gadavadda da saboloo gadaxdis TariRad 2021

wlis 12 aprili dadginda.

is formalur gamocxadebamde aqvs

konfidencialobis garkveuli

standarti.

sazogadoebas gvinda SevaxsenoT,

rom aRniSnuli procesi, jer

kidev, gasuli wlis noemberSi daiwyo,

2021 wlis biujetis saboloo

proeqtis momzadebis dros. amis

Semdeg, mimdinare wlis ianvarSi

gamocxadda konkursi da SeirCa

partniori saerTaSoriso da adgilobrivi

bankebi.

evroobligaciebis gamoSvebis

procesSi Cven gaviareT sakmaod

xangrZlivi procesi, romelic

iTvaliswinebda partniori bankebis

SerCevas, bazris analizs, gamoSvebisTvis

swori periodis Ser-

Cevas da potenciur investorebTan

Sexvedrebs.

evroobligaciebis gamoSvebis

uzrunvelyofis mizniT, Ser-

Ceulia sami avtoritetuli saer-

TaSoriso sainvesticio banki: JP

Morgan, Goldman Sachs da ICBC; procesSi

Tanamonawilis statusiT

CarTulia 2 adgilobrivi sainvesticio

banki: Galt & Taggart da TBC

Capital”, _ ganacxades finansTa

saministroSi 12 aprils.

sabolood, miviReT ori sxvadasxva,

realoba _ faqtebi metyvelebda,

rom saqarTvelos mTavrobam

gadawyvetilebebi dedlainamde

ramdenime dRiT adre miiRo,

radgan vali swored am dros gaaxsendaT,

magram Tqves sxva ram, rom

isini ukve weliwadze metia, am sakiTxze

muSaobdnen.

es movlena erovnuli bankis

yofilma prezidentma, roman go-

ciriZem, Seafasa, rogorc qveynis

biujetis mizanmimarTuli Sem-

cireba:

„mTavroba am valis gastumrebas

jer kidev SarSan gegmavda,

misi refinansirebis, anu Zveli

valis axliT gadafarvis gziT,

Semdeg ki gadawyvita, valis gasastumreblad

gamoeyenebina pandemiis

krizisis dasaZlevad miRebuli

sagareo daxmarebebis nawili. 5

miliardi laris odenobis sagareo

daxmarebidan 1,71 miliardi

lari moxmarda evroobligaciebis

dafarvas. amiT mniSvnelovnad

Semcirda erovnuli bankis ucxouri

valutis rezervebi (4,1 miliardi

dolaridan 3,6 miliard

dolaramde, _ red.) da safrTxe

Seuqmna sabiujeto xarjebis droul

dafinansebas. sabolood,

mTavrobam gadawyvita, kvlav aeRo

axali sesxi saerTaSoriso safinanso

bazarze. faqtobrivad, xdeba

wina evrobondebis refinansireba”.

saqarTvelom 500 milioni

isesxa _ rodesac valis

aRebas zeimob

valutis SeZenisa da evrobondebis

dafarvis Semdeg dadga dro

evroobligaciebis gamoSvebisa.

13 aprils gamoqveynda oficialuri

ganacxadi londonis

safondo birJaze saqarTvelos

saxeliT 500 mln aSS dolaris

Rirebulebis evrobondebis gan-

Tavsebis Sesaxeb.

finansTa saministrom xazgasmiT

aRniSna, rom evrobondebis

ganTavsebis procenti gacilebiT

dabali iqneboda, vidre es 2011

wels iyo.

„saerTaSoriso finansur bazrebze

arsebuli viTarebis gaTvaliswinebiT,

mosalodnelia, rom

evrobondebze dafiqsirdeba mniSvnelovnad

dabali saprocento

ganakveTi 2011 wels gamoSvebul

evrobondebTan SedarebiT, romelic

Seadgenda 6.875%-s”, _ ewera

finansTa saministros gancxadeba-

Si.

ramdenad marTebuli iyo 2021

wlis pandemiis periodSi mosalodneli

procentis 2011 wels

arsebul procentTan Sedareba da

ramdenad imsaxurebda es detali

gansakuTrebul aRniSvnas?

rodesac mTavrobis uwyebas ar

gaaCnia sxva saSualeba, raTa sazogadoeba

sakuTari manipulaciebis

qveS moaqcios, ukiduresi gadawyvetilebebic

misaRebi xdeba.

15 aprils saqarTvelos finansTa

ministrma, laSa xuciSvilma,

saswrafod da sazeimod gamoaqveyna

posti sakuTar socialur qselSi,

rom saqarTvelos mier axali

500 milioni dolaris valis

aRebis procesi warmatebiT dasrulda.

16 aprils am posts ganvrcoba

mohyva da xuciSvilis mxridan

mTeli dRis ganmavlobaSi keTdeboda

sxvadasxva komentari imis

Sesaxeb, Tu rogor warmatebiT

ganaTavsa qveyanam 500 milioni

londonis safondo birJaze, rom

dafiqsirebuli 2,75%-i uprecendento

da saamayoa, radgan regionSi

vali aseTi dabali procentiT

jer aravis auRia da rom

saqarTvelos evrobondebze moTxovnam

oTxjer gadaaWarba gamocxadebul

Tanxas.

iTqva isic, rom saqarTvelos

mTavrobis „strategia” evroobligaciebis

ganTavsebis Sesaxeb, romelic

realurad erTaderTi gamosavali

iyo defoltis Cixidan

gamosasvlelad, swori da gamarTlebuli

nabiji gaxldaT.

am gancxadebebis paralelurad

vrceldeboda roman gocir-

iZis mwvave komentarebi:

„qveyanam 500 milioni dolaris

odenobis vali aiRo da mTavroba

amas zeimobs, moTxovnam oTxjer

gadaaWarba gamocxadebul Tanxaso.

ori Tvis win somxeTmac aiRo

vali da iqac moTxovnam ramdenjerme

gadaaWarba gancxadebuls”.

marTlac, Tu movlenebis ganviTarebasa

da sakiTxis arss davukvirdebiT,

martivad mivxvdebiT,

rom finansTa saministrosa da

ministris qmedebebi sruliad Seusabamo

da araadekvaturia.

ratom?

qveynis finansTa ministri aRebuli

500 milioniani valiT amayobs

da am faqts zeimobs!

am yvelafersac rom SeveSvaT

da dadgenil procentze visaubroT,

aqac uamrav xarvezss davinaxavT.

uaxloes warsulSi gvxvdeba

ramdenime magaliTi, rodesac

analogiuri mizeziT sxva qveynebma

gacilebiT dabal procentSi

ganaTavses evrobondebi.

- yazaxeTma gamouSva 500 milioni

evros Rirebulebis evrobondebi

7 wliT, saprocento ganakve-

Ti 0,6%. aseve ganaTavsa 650 milioni

evro 15 wliT 1.5%-ad. yazaxeTis

suverenuli sakredito reitingi

aris BBB-;

- serbeTma ganaTavsa evrobondebi

1,2 miliardi dolari,

2,125%-ad, 10 wliT. sakredito

reitingi BB+;

- somxeTma isesxa 750 milioni

dolari 10 wliT 3,6%-ad. xuTwliani

rom yofiliyo, 3 procentis

farglebSi iqneboda. sakrdito

reiting B+.

am dros, saqarTvelom isesxa

500 milioni evro 5 wliT, 2,75%-

ad(!!!). sakredito reitingi BB.

daskvna: finansTa ministrs imis

mizezic ki ar aqvs, rom valis aReba

izeimos!

ra moxdeba momavalSi? cnobilia,

rom saqarTvelom evrobondebi

5 wliT ganaTavsa, Sesabamisad,

xuTi wlis Semdeg, didi alba-

TobiT, mTavrobas igive procedurebis

ganmeoreba mouwevs. sakiTxavia,

ramdenad iqneba 5 wlis Semdeg

biujetSi damatebiT 500 milioni

pandemiiT an sxva mizeziT?

ekonomikis eqspertebi

samomavlo zegavlenebs

afaseben

ekonomist ramaz gerlianis

azriT, es manipulaciebi biu-

jetze uaryofiTad aisaxeba:

„praqtikulad, es aris gadavadebuli

mZime valdebuleba,

romelic uaryofiTad aisaxeba

ekonomikaze im periodSi, rodesac

misi gadaxdis dro mova. radgan

rezervebis Semcirebazea saubari,

logikuria, es valdebuleba uaryofiTad

aisaxos sabiujeto xarjebis

droul dafinansebazec. Tu

biujetSi krizisi ar iqneba da Semosavlebis

problemac moixsneba,

es uaryofiTi gavlenac SedarebiT

Sesustdeba, Tumca krizisis

periodSi vfiqrob, rom biujets

mainc Seeqmneba problemebi”.

roman gociriZe:

„Secdomaa, rom evroobligaciebis

10 wliT ar ganTavsda (msgavsad

somxeTisa). xuTi wlis Semdeg

aucileblad mogviwevs axali

sesxis aReba am sesxis gasastumreblad

da maSin aseTi xelsayreli

pirobebi ar iqneba. msoflioSi

iafi fulis bumia bevri mizezis,

maT Soris, pandemiis krizisis

gamo. msoflios qveynebis mTavrobebisa

da centraluri bankebis

mier ekonomikis stimulirebisTvis

didZali resursi gamoiyofa,

rac warmoqmnis Zalian dabal

saprocento ganakveTs bazarze”.

aq Semdegi sakiTxi iCens Tavs: 5

weliwadSi, rodesac qveyanas isev

mouwevs am valis gadavadeba an,

ukeTess SemTxvevaSi, gadaxda, ra

mdgomareoba iqneba saqarTvelo-

Si?

pandemiis dasasruls jer bolo

ar uCans, ekonomikuri mdgomareoba

qveyanaSi sakmaod mZime

da, faqtobrivad, krizisulia.

ucnobia, ramdeni weli da ra

saxsrebis mobilizeba dasWirdeba

saqarTvelos imisTvis, rom ekonomikuri

krizisidan gamovides?

ra moxdeba, rodesac 5 weliwadSi

500-milioniani vali kvlav

gamoCndeba? _ es aravin icis...

ucnauri xalxi varT qarTvelebi.

iciT ras hgavs es zeimi? ai,

fexburTs rom wavagebT da vambobT,

amjeradac davmarcxdiT,

magram kargad viTamaSeTo. ras

vizamT, saqarTvelo xom paradoqsebis

qveyanaa.

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zuka nemsaZe

568 15 00 49

baTumis bulvari qalaqis is-

toriul nawilSi, sanapiro zolis gaswvriv, mdebareobs. misi

sigrZe 7km.-s aRwevs. bulvari baTumelebisTvis da ara marto

maTTvis mniSvnelovani adgilia. misi warsuli baTumis istori-

is, qalaquri cxovrebisa da tradiciebis ganuyofeli nawilia.

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ratom moxsnes

Tanamdebobidan

baTumis

bulvaris

direqtori?

Tanamedrove gamowvevebs ba-

Tumis bulvari SeZlebisdagvarad

pasuxobs. bulvaris teritoriaze

SexvdebiT maRalsarTulian

sastumroebs, auzebsa

da sxvadasxva feSenebelur

Senobas, rac srulad cvlis

mis istorias da ukargavs

im iersaxes, rasac wlebis ganmavlobaSi

inarCunebda. am teritoriaze

gansxvavebuli tipis

sastumros aSenebiT da adgilis

SesyidviT xSirad interesdeboda

bevri qarTveli Tu ucxoeli

biznesmeni.

arc axla yofila baTumelebisTvis

gasakviri, rom sastumro

„le meridianis” mflobeli

„baTumi Taueri” baTumis bulvaris

gaswvriv, sastumros pirdapir,

3380 kv.m. teritorias

aranakleb 15-wliani ijariT

iTxovda. moqalaqeebi procesis

winaaRmdegebi ambis gagebis wamidanve

iyvnen.

cnobisTvis: sastumro „le

meridiani” baTumSi 2018 wels

gaixsna.

205-metriani Senoba mdebareobs

baTumis bulvarSi, zRvis

sanapirodan ramdenime metrSi.

kompaniam merias Sesabamisi

weriliT mimarTa. meriaSi sakiTxi

ganixiles da gankargulebis

proeqtic moamzades.

„mizanSewonilad migvaCnia,

dakmayofildes Sps „baTumi

Taueris” gancxadeba „le meridianTan”

funqciurad dakavSirebuli

sivrcis gamoyenebisa da

plaJis infrastruqturis ganviTarebis

mizniT, pirdapiri

gankargvis wesiT, 15 wlis vadiT

ijariT sargeblobaSi gadaeces

zRvispira parkis nakveTebidan

3380.0 kv.m”, _ aRniSnulia ganmartebiT

baraTSi.

gancaxdebis Semdeg meriam,

sisruleSi moyvanis mizniT, saqme

gadasca sakrebulos.

30 marts baTumis sakrebulos

sxdomaze „le meridianis“

sakiTxis ganxilvam dapirispireba

da daZabuloba gamoiwvia.

sxdomas eswreboda baTumis bulvaris

direqtori irakli jin-

WaraZec. gansakuTrebuli daZabuloba

Seqmna baTumis bulvaris

administraciis xelmZRvanel

jinWaraZis bulvarSi pla-

Jis gasxvisebis winaaRmdeg wasvlam

da sakrebulos sxdomaze

misma sajarod gamoTqmulma

mosazrebam.

„nu afurTxebT xalxs sul-

Si“, _ ganacxada jinWaraZem

sakrebulos sxdomaze.

30 martsve Tornike riJvaZem,

sakrebulos sxdomis Semdeg ramdenime

saaTSi, gancxadeba gaakeTa,

rom baTumis bulvari merias

unda dabruneboda, miuxedavad

imisa, rom ekonomikis saministro

mas wlebis ganmavlobaSi

marTavda, rac imTaviTve

imas niSnavda, rom bulvars

direqtori aRar dasWirdeboda

da mas meria uxelmZRvanelebda.

12 aprils, saxelmwifo auditis

samsaxuris angariSSi arsebuli

darRvevebis safuZvelze,

Tanamdebobidan gaaTavisufles

baTumis bulvaris direqtori

irakli jinWaraZe.

„qronika+“-s aWaris mTavrobis

saxlidan wyaro uyveba, rom

aWaris mTavrobis Tavmjdomare

riJvaZem irakli jinWaraZe piradi

interesebis gamo gaaTavisufla,

radgan igi sastumro

„le meridianisTvis” sanapiro

zolis 15-wliani ijariT gadacemis

winaaRmdegi iyo.

„Cemi informaciiT, aWaris

mTavrobis Tavmjdomaris gaRizianeba

gamoiwvia jinWaraZis

winaaRmdegobam sanapiro zolis

„le meridianze” 15-wliani ijariT

gadacemis Sesaxeb. riJvaZem

pirdapir Suri iZia jinWaraZeze”,

_ ganacxada „qronika+~sTan

wyarom.

misive TqmiT: „Tornikes ase

sCvevia: vinc ar moswons da vinc

ewinaaRmdegeba, Tanamdebobas

piradi angariSsworebis gamo

atovebinebs, ase moxda iraklis

saqmeSic. Tundac baTumis meri

laSa komaxiZe gavixsenoT, romelic

aseve piradi angariSsworebiT

gauSva... magram imas Tavad

daawerina gancxadeba, aq ki irakli

pirdapir moaxsnevina

ekonomikis saministros”.

„qronika+~ baTumis bulvaris

ukve yofil direqtor irak-

li jinWaraZes daukavSirda:

_ mTeli dRis ganmavlobaSi

samsaxurSi viyavi da araferi

xdeboda. saRamos megobarma

damireka da es ambavi miTxra.

sainteresoa, aWaris televiziam

Cemze adre saidan gaigo?! televizias

acnobes da mere zaric

moayoles da damamSvides, rom

moxsnili viyavi.

es yvelaferi 30 martis sxdomas

ukavSirdeba, romelzedac

winaaRmdegi wavedi sanapiro

zolis „le meridianze”

gadasacemad.

amas vadastureb! sanapiro

zoli „le meridians” ar unda

gadascemoda! zogadad, Cven

Soris sxva konfliqti ar yofila.

dapirispirebis ZiriTadi

Tema iyo bulvari da mis sazRvrebSi

gansaxorcielebeli mSeneblobebi,

brendirebul sastumroebze

plaJis gadacema, rasac

yovelTvis xmamaRla da daufaravad

vaprotestebdi.

me ar vsaubrob piraduli

wyeniT da boRmiT, maTgan gansxvavebiT.

_ iuridiulad, oficialu-

rad, ris safuZvelze mogxsnes?

_ auditoris daskvnis safuZvelze

momxsnes, romelic 2 weliwad-naxevris

win gamoqveynda.

batoni jaba ar iyo romeli-

Raca sxva saministros xelmZRvaneli,

is iyo Cemi piradi xelm-

ZRvaneli. mis daqvemdebarebaSi

viyavi. 2 weliwad-naxevari gavida

Sida auditis daskvnidan,

romelmac es teqnikuri Secdoma

aRmoaCina. mainteresebs: menejers,

romelic am gaWirvebuli

qveynis, daaxloebiT, 10 milions

gankargavs da Tu aramiznobrivad

gadaricxa Tanxa, Sei-

Zleba, garisko da misce saSu-

aleba, 2 weliwad-naxevari kidev

imuSaos? Tu maSin mapatie? da

roca xma amoviRe, ar mapatie?

Tu rogor iyo? es aris Cveulebrivi

teqnikuri Secdoma,

romelzedac baTumis bulvaris

administracias reagireba hqonda.

auditis daskvna male gasajarovdeba,

prokuraturamac

gaiara da sasamarTlomac. yvelgan

gavmarTldi! piriqiT _ am

sakiTxebze me maqvs iqiT sarCeli

Setanili sasamarTloSi!

ekonomikis saministros ver

CamoarTves, ar aris es advili

saqme. 2 dReSi ganaSenianebis

dokumenti modioda, rac yvelaze

metad aSinebT da daaswres

sabuTs Cemi gaSveba.

sainteresoa, CamoarTmevs Tu

ara Tornike riJvaZe ekonomikis

saministros bulvars da gadascems

Tu ara mas merias?! aseve

gadaecema Tu ara „le meridians”

sanapiro zoli da iqneba Tu ara

plaJi xelmiuwvdomeli (konkretuli

teritoria) baTumelebisTvis

da turistebisTvis?!

am kiTxvebiT „qronika+” aWaris

finansTa da ekonomikis saministros

daukavSirda. pressamsaxuris

TqmiT, futkaraZem Tavisi

mosazreba JurnalistebTan ukve

daafiqsira, romlis gamoyenebac

sagazeTo masalaSi SegveZlo,

xolo is Cvens kiTxvebs am etapze

ar upasuxebda Sexvedrebisa da

gadatvirTuli grafikis gamo.

„mrCeba STabeWdileba, rom

jinWaraZem es gancxadebebi gaakeTa

sazogadoebaSi garkveuli

imunitetis Seqmnis mizniT. arsebuli

daskvnis safuZvelze

aRZrulia Sesabamisi saqme. es

araa Soreuli ambavi, 2019 wlisaa,

magram sworedac rom procedurebis

dacvam moiTxova es

dro. sazogadoebam gansajos,

es, ubralod, droSi daemTxva,

Tu sxva mizezebia”, _ gancxada

futkaraZem JurnalistebTan.

Tumca „qronika+~-s damatebiTi

kiTxvebi gvqonda minis-

trTan:

_ sainteresoa, 2019 wlis

auditis daskvnis gamo ratom

ganTavisuflda bulvaris

direqtori 2021 wels?

_ ratom iyo Tanamdebobaze

amdeni xani adamiani, romelic

fulis gaflangvaSi amxila Sida

auditma?

samwuxarod, „gadatvirTuli

grafikis gamo”, futkaraZem

Cvens kiTxvebs ver upasuxa.

marTlac, dasafiqrebelia,

rogor Seafasebs sazogadoeba

Tanamdebobidan gaSvebuli jin-

WaraZis personas, _ rogorc

adgilobrivi mTavrobis mier

gagdebul protestant Cinovniks,

romelsac saWiro dros aufriales

2019 wlis darRveva,

Tu rogorc bulvaris damnaSave

direqtors, romelic cdilobs,

qaosiT Seqmnas mosazreba, rom

sawinaaRmdego azris gamo devnian?!

„qronika+~ agrZelebs am

Temaze muSaobas. damatebiTi

detalebis SemTxvevaSi viTarebas

momdevno nomrebSi gagac-

nobT.

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nene injgia

591 71 39 98

kidev erTxel dadasturda, rom

protests Sedegi aqvs. ufro konkretulad ki saqme exeba 31

marts ganviTarebul movlenebs. ruseTis pirveli arxis tele-

wamyvani vladimir pozneri, romelic pirvel aprils 87 wlis

gaxda, TbilisSi gegmavda dabadebis dRis aRniSvnas. pozneri,

mis megobrebTan erTad, 31 marts Tbiliss ewvia. isini ded-

aqalaqSi, yvelanairi wesebis darRveviT, komendantis saaTis

dros, avtobusiT gadaadgildebodnen da restoranSi vaxS-

mobdnen, _ am faqts sazogadoebis mwvave protesti mohyva.

movlenebi ki ase viTardeboda:

pirvel aprils dilis 08:00

saaTze ruseTis pirveli arxis

telewamyvanma vladimir poznerma

da misma Tanmxlebma pirebma

Tbilisi Carteruli aviaresiT

datoves.

pozneri saqarTveloSi dar-

Cenas 3 aprilamde gegmavda, Tumca,

TbilisSi misi CamosvliT

gamowveuli saprotesto aqciebis

gamo, gegma Secvala. rusi

Jurnalisti TbilisSi apirebda

dabadebis dRis aRniSvnas.

„kargi ambavi maqvs TqvenTvis.

kudiT qva vasrolineT da

ise gavyareT qveynidan! ruseTi

okupantia”, _ dawers feisbukze

samoqalaqo aqtivisti giga maqaraSvili.

rusi telewamyvanis vizitis

gamo, 31 marts, saprotesto aqciebi

gamarTes rogorc samoqalaqo

aqtivistebma, aseve opoziciuri

partiebis warmomadgenlebma.

maTi gancxadebiT, pozneri

aris kremlis mTavari propagandisti,

misi erT-erTi saxe,

saqarTvelosa da ukrainis

okupaciisa da aneqsiis aqtiuri

mxardamWeri, amitom mas saqarTvelos

teritoriaze ar unda

uSvebdnen.

Sss-s informaciiT, vladimir

pozneri aSS-is moqalaqea

da mas ar daurRvevia „kanoni

okupaciis Sesaxeb”, poznerTan

erTad Camosulma pirebma ki

warmoadgines kovid-pasporti

an PCR-testirebis uaryofiTi

pasuxi.

aRsaniSnavia, rom koronavirusis

epidemiis gamo moqmedi

wesebis darRvevisTvis daajarimes

rusi telewamyvani da mas-

Tan erTad dabadebis dRis aRsaniSnavad

TbilisSi Camosuli

32 piri.

Sss-s Tanaxmad, „sapatrulo

policiis departamentis Tanam-

Sromlebma izolaciisa da karantinis

wesis darRvevis faqtze,

ask-is 42(10)-e muxlis Sesabamisad,

32 piri daajarimes. qveynis

teritoriaze Semosuli 41 piridan

cxra pirs izolaciisa da

karantinis wesebi ar daurRvevia”.

„qronika+~ rubrika „axalgazrda

politikosebSi” èvro-

puli saqarTvelos~ wevrs anna

qarTleliSvils

esaubra,

romelic sxva axalgazrdebTan

erTad, 31 marts, aprotesteb-

da rusi propagandistisa da

misi Tanmxlebi pirebis mier

wesebis darRvevas:

_ anna, 31 marts ram gamoi-

wvia Tqven- protesti?

_ ra Tqma unda, „qarTuli

ocnebis” samarcxvino, amoralurma

da utifarma gadawyvetilebam,

romelic am SemTxveva-

Si saqarTveloSi okupantis dapatiJebas,

mis sxvadasxva privilegiiT

dasaCuqrebasa da gaugonar

Tavxedobas mohyva. pozneri

cnobilia, rogorc putinis

mxardamWeri da masTan daaxloebuli

piri, romelmac mkafiod

daafiqsira pozicia saqar-

Tvelosa da ruseTs Soris 2008

wlis agvistos omis mimarT. misi

azriT, konfliqti saqarTvelos

me-3 prezidentma daiwyo,

rac sityva sityviT imeorebs

ruseTis mTavar propagandistul

mesijboqss, romlis mixedviTac,

omze pasuxismgebloba

saqarTvelos imdroindel xelisuflebas,

Sesabamisad, qveyanas

ekisreba.

_ raze mianiSnebs is faqti,

rom pozneri megobrebTan er-

Tad „komendantis saaTis” dar-

RveviT gadaadgildeboda da

restoranSi aRniSnavda da-

badebis dRes?

_ im gadakveTis wertilze,

sadac erTiandeba „qarTuli

ocnebisa” da ruseTis mTavari

paTologia _ anu epotino imas,

rac Seni ar aris.

_ „qarTuli ocnebis” Tavmj-

domare irakli kobaxiZis

gancxadebiT, adamianebi, rom-

lebic rusi Jurnalistisa da

kremlis propagandist vlad-

imir pozneris saqarTveloSi

Camosvlasa da mis mier e. w.

komendantis wesebis darRvevas

aprotestebdnen, Tavad akeTeben

„rusul saqmes saqarTveloSi”.

ras upasuxebT kobax-

iZis am gancxadebas da ra aris

am ritorikis mizani?

_ samwuxaro realobaSi gviwevs

cxovreba. roca saqarTvelos

mters epatiJebi qveyanaSi

da Semdeg Cven gvabraleb saku-

Tari qveynis mtrobas, rbilad

rom vTqvaT, samarcxvino saqcielia,

mizani ki calsaxad Tavdacvaa.

meti sicxadisTvis aucileblad

unda iTqvas, rom Seuracxmyofelia,

rodesac saqar-

Tvelos moqalaqeebs 21:00 saa-

Tis Semdeg ezRudebaT gadaadgilebis

Tavisufleba komendantis

saaTis gamo da am dros rusi

propagandisti 50-kaciani delegaciiT

da regulaciebis gverdis

avliT sargeblobs gansakuTrebuli

privilegiebiT.

_ sazogadoebis garkveul

nawilSi protestis formam

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anna

qarTleliSvili:

`pozners gegmebis

Secvla da

saqarTvelodan

gaqceva mouwia~

`xelisuflebis

pozicia kvlav

gaugebari da

Seuvalia~

gaRizianeba gamoiwvia, rom

kvercxebis srola ar iyo misaRebi

saqcieli. am gadmosaxe-

didan xom ar fiqrobT, rom es

formiT gadaaWarbeT?

_ gamomdinare iqidan, rom

protestantTa rigebs sxvadasxva

samoqalaqo moZraobis wevri,

moqalaqeebi da partiaTa warmomadgenlebi

avsebdnen, protestis

formebic gansxvavebuli

iyo, Tumca mizani erTia,

romelic, vfiqrob, warmatebiT

davasruleT _ pozners gegmebis

Secvla da 08:00 saaTze

saqarTvelodan gaqceva mouwia.

rac Seexeba sazogadoebis gaRizianebas

gamoxatvis formebis

Sesaxeb, vfiqrob, ubjobesia,

bevrad ufro mniSvnelovan sakiTxebze

keTdebodes aqcenti.

_ xelisuflebasa da opozicias

Soris danielsonis monaw-

ileobiT meore molaparakebac

uSedegod dasrulda. rogorc

Cans, xelisufleba riggareSe

arCevnebs ar daTanxmdeba. ra

samoqmedo areali rCeba opo-

zicias?

_ molaparakebebs alternativa

ar gaaCnia. Cveni principuli

poziciaa, politpatimarTa

Tavisufleba da vadamdel ar-

Cevnebamde misvla, romlis gamoc

garkveul kompromisze wavida

rogorc konkretulad „evropuli

saqarTvelo”, aseve gaerTianebuli

opozicia. magram

xelisuflebis mxridan arc er-

Ti mniSvnelovani nabiji ar gadadgmula

qveyanaSi politikuri

krizisis gansamuxtavad _ ma-

Ti pozicia kvlav gaugebari da

Seuvalia.

_ riggareSe arCevnebis moT-

xovnis procesSi samoqalaqo

sazogadoebis rolze rom gvi-

TxraT, ra formiT unda Caer-

Ton moqalaqeebi da ratom ver

axerxebs masobrivi protestis

organizebas opozicia?

_ opozicias aqvs ori umniSvnelovanesi

moTxovna: politpatimarTa

Tavisufleba da riggareSe

arCevnebi.

arc erTi SeTanxmebis forma

ar iqneba misaRebi am ori punqtis

gareSe, radgan TiToeuli

maTgani gasaRebia politikuri

krizisis gansamuxtavad. Sesabamisad,

rogorc opoziciisTvis,

aseve samoqalaqo sazogadoebisTvis,

umniSvnelovaness

amocanas wamoadgens orive

punqtis warmatebiT lobireba

da dakmayofileba.

vfiqrob, erToblivi ZalebiT

unda movaxerxoT sazogadoebisTvis

maTi mniSvnelobis

mkafiod axsna da ganmarteba.

yvelam erTad unda SevZloT

adamianebis darwmuneba am Zireul

sakiTxebze, risTvisac vibrZviT

frontis sxvadasxva mxares,

Tumca erTi miznis irgvliv.

_ 15 maiss opozicia masSt-

abur aqcias aanonsebs. gegmavT

Tu ara aqciaze misvlas?

_ 15 maisis aqcia mniSvnelovan

datvirTvas atarebs, TiToeulma

adamianma unda gaiTavisos

Tavisi wili pasuxismgebloba

da aucileblad movides

rusTavelze saqarTvelos uke-

Tesi momavlisTvis!

35

Tengiz abloTia


saqarTveloSi zomaze metad ufrTxildebian rus tur-

istebs. maTi raodenobis SesaZlebeli Semcireba saerTo

erovnul katastrofad da warRvnad miiCneva.

ar ufrTxildebian rusebze

aranaklebad SeZlebul da mxarjvel

iranelebs _ maT mimarT

xelisuflebis mxridan Ria diskriminaciuli

nabijebi aravis

aRelvebs; arc indoeli moqalaqeebis

mimarT aSkara qedmaRluri

damokidebuleba, romelic qveyanas

swrafad zrdad 1 mlrd.-ian

bazars akargvinebs da arc CineT-

Tan gaugebari da sruliad araracionaluri

savizo reJimi.

irani, indoeTi da CineTi _ es

turistuli bazrebia, romlebsac

ara aTwleulebSi, aramed

ukve dRes rusuli bazis Canacv-

lobac elarjia, Znelia maRal

materiebze esaubro.

Tumca am sakiTxs praqtikuli

kuTxiT SevxedoT _ sakmarisia

Tu ara marTlac, magaliTad,

pozneris gagdeba imisTvis, rom

potenciurma rusma turistma

saqarTveloSi Camosvlaze uari

Tqvas?

aseTi incidenti xom bevri iyo

da kidev mravali iqneba _ ramdenad

saSiSia msgavsi faqtebi

saqarTvelos turistuli industriisTvis?

saSualostatistikuri qarTveli

am dros aseT azrobriv kon-

rusi turistebi da saqarTvelo

leba advilad SeuZliaT. qveyana

am uzarmazar potencials Segnebulad

ar iyenebs, samagierod,

sakmarisia rusul turistul

nakadebs rame, Tundac Teoriuli

safrTxe daemuqros, mTeli

qveyana panikaSi vardeba, _ ariqa

rus turistebs vkargavT!

ise ar gamigoT, rom rusi turistebis

winaamRdegi var _ araviTar

SemTxvevaSi. Tumca yvelas-

Tvis cnobili politikuri Taviseburebebis

gamo, es bazari prioritetuli

araviTar SemTxveva-

Si ar unda iyos. rusi turisti

kargia, oRond mas Semdeg, rac

srulad iqneba amowuruli sxva

didi bazrebis potenciali. maT

Soris im qveynebis, romlebsac

qarTveli maTxovrebi, ratomRac,

sakuTar Tavze naklebad miiCneven

_ magaliTad, irans, indoeTs,

CineTs, arabul qveynebs.

TavisTavad im faqtSi, rom qarTveli

obivateli maincdamainc

rus turistebs mistiris, aris

raRac kolonialuri _ iseve rogorc

kabo-verdeli sezaria evora

afrikuli nostalgiis portugaliur

simRerebs asrulebs.

Tumca sxvaoba _ kulturuli,

politikuri, ekonomikuri, Tu

gnebavT, adamianuri ruseTsa da

saqarTvelos Soris gacilebiT

naklebia, vidre portugaliasa

da kabo-verdes Soris.

kargiT, amas Tavi davaneboT _

qveyanas, romlis mTavari faseu-

`TavisTavad im faqtSi, rom qarTveli

obivateli maincdamainc rus turistebs

mistiris, aris raRac kolonialuri - iseve

rogorc kabo-verdeli sezaria evora

afrikuli nostalgiis portugaliur

simRerebs asrulebs~

struqcias agebs: ruseTis mosaxleobis

85% putinis mxardamWeria,

pozneri putinis propagandistia,

Sesabamisad, mis winaaRmdeg

qmedebebi putinis winaaRmdeg

qmedebebia. daskvna: rusebis

85% saqarTveloSi Camosvlaze

uars ityvis.

primitiuli logikaa, romelic

martiv daskvnebs miCveuli

mamapapuri „gruzinebisTvis“

sruliad bunebrivia.

sinamdvileSi, ase SeiZleba

ifiqros adamianma, romelic rus

xalxs saerTod ar icnobs _ an

mxolod restornis, xinklisa da

mwvadis doneze icnobs.

realurad ki rusi turistebis

raodenobis zrdas mxolod

erTi faqtori uSlis xels (rasakvirvelia,

pandemiis garda) _

es aris saaviacio mimosvlis akr-

Zalva, anu fizikuri diskomforti

da finansuri danaxarjebi.

araviTari propaganda „saSiS

saqarTveloze”, araviTari gabunias

mxridan putinis dedis gineba

da sxva moralur-politikuri

faqtorebi am SemTxvevaSi ar

muSaobs.

es gaugebari iqneboda, saubari

rom iyos, magaliTad, germanelebze

an ingliselebze. magram

es sruliad bunebrivia

rusebisTvis.

saqme is gaxlavT, rom, realurad,

2 ruseTi arsebobs _ oRond

ara SevardnaZiseuli gagebiT,

aramed sul sxva kuTxiT. 2 ruse-

Ti: erTi aris koleqtiuri, meore

_ individualuri.

koleqtiuri ruseTi evropas

mtrad miiCnevs, rogorc SeuZlia

ise ebrZvis, aginebs, da masTan

gamijvnas cdilobs. amave dros,

individualuri rusi dasasveneblad

evropa-amerikaSi dadis,

misi Svilebi iq swavloben da

cxovroben. rodesac individualuri

rusi Tavisi saxelmwifo-

Ti ukmayofilebas gamoxatavs, is

mas „normalur qveynebs” adarebs.

da es „normaluri qveynebi” arc

irania da arc CrdiloeT korea.

koleqtiuri ruseTi sakuTar

Tavs aziur civilizaciad miiCnevs

da CineTTan megobrobaze

ocnebobs. individualuri rusi

yoveldRiur cxovrebaSi evropelia

(gacilebiT metad, vidre _

qarTveli), sakuTar Tavs evropul

civilizaciasTan aigivebs da

CineTs Zalian didi eWvis TvaliT

uyurebs.

koleqtiuri rusi putinze

loculobs, individualuri rusi

mTavrobas ar endoba da mis

propagandas, ZiriTadad, tyuilad

miiCnevs.

koleqtiuri rusi dasavleTis

kulturas antirusulad miiCnevs,

individualuri rusi ki

dasavlur musikas usmens, amerikul

filmebs uyurebs da holivudis

siaxleebze sakmaod kargadaa

informirebuli.

individualuri rusi mzadaa,

sakuTari Tavis nawili koleqtiur

russ dauTmos, Tumca manam,

sanam es pirad sivrces ar Seexeba.

koleqtiuri rusisTvis saqar-

Tvelo mteri da amerikis agentia,

qveyana, sadac rus Jurnalistebs

devnian da mitingebze ruseTs

agineben. individualuri

rusisTvis saqarTvelo aris saintereso

da rac mTavaria, iafi

qveyana, sadac kargad SeiZleba

drois gatareba.

veraviTari pozneri da gavrilovi

am rusul Taviseburebas

ver Secvlian _ koleqtiuri rusi

qarTvelebis qcevas gaakritikebs,

individualuri ki _ rogorc

Camodioda Tbilis-baTumSi,

iseve Camova.

Tu, ra Tqma unda, ruseTma saaviacio

mimosvlis garda saxmeleToc

ar akrZala... magram es

ukve sul sxva saqme iqneba.

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ra xdeba aWaris skolebSi?

xviCa mamulaZe

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ra mdgomareobaa aWaris re-

gionSi skolebSi? aris Tu ara

regulaciebi daculi? _ am da

sxva mniSvnelovani sakiTxebis

Sesaxeb „qronika+“ baTumis #9

sajaro skolis direqtoris

moadgile Temur TurmaniZes

esaubra:

_ batono Temur, ra problemebi

gaaCina pandemiam da onlainswavlebam?

rogor umklavdebiT

am yvelafers? moswavleebis

zogadi ganwyoba rogoria

saswavlo procesis mima-

rT?

_ gazeTs ar kiTxuloben, informaciebs

ar ismenen, uzneobis,

upativcemulobisa da uswavlelobis

dro dadga.

onlainswavleba isea _ gaWirveba

maCvene da gaqcevas gaCvenebo.

fexmotexili kaci yavarjniT

rom dadis, imas hgavs _

waikiTxa-ar waikiTxa _ kacma ar

icis! amis praqtikac ar arsebobs,

magram kompiuteris gamoyenebiT

kontroli SeiZleba, Tumca

100%-iT bolomde mainc ver

gaakontroleb. SeiZleba, bavSvi

kiTxulobdes da kompiuterSi

ònlainswavleba isea

_ gaWirveba maCvene da

gaqcevas gaCvenebo~

gaCvenebdes, rom gakveTils giyveba,

_ amas axerxeben. momavali

Taobis aRzrda aris eris pirveli

rigis amocana! Svili ojaxis

sarkea. momavali Taoba aris

Cveni eris sayrdeni. istoriisadmi

interesi ar aris, arc

tradiciisadmi. es yvelaferi

satkivaria.

skolaSi Semosuli bavSvi

uvici ar unda gadiodes. mkacri

moTxovnebi unda iyos.

_ pandemiis gareSe, ra zog-

adi problemebia skolaSi?

_ 1700-ma moswavlem naxevarsaaTian

cvlebs Soris skola

unda dacalos. am naxevar saaT-

Si damlageblebi rogor axerxeben

dalagebas, ar vici. faqtobrivad,

bavSvebi mtvrian oTaxebSi

sxedan. skola unda iyos 1-

cvliani da Tu maincdamainc,

cvlebs Soris unda iyos ara 5-

wuTiani dasveneba, aramed 10-

wuTiani da 20-wuTiani didi dasveneba,

rom bavSvebma Wama moaswron

da srulfasovnad ikvebon.

normalurad xelis dabanasac

ver axerxeben.

_ samomavlod ras gegmavT?

_ skola remontze unda gavides

da oTxive sarTulze gvinda

gavakeToT sapirfareSoebi,

sadac higienis yvela normis

dacva iqneba SesaZlebeli. pirvel

sarTulze mdebare sapirfareSoebiT

800 bavSvi sargeblobs

_ 400 erT mxares da 400

meore mxares. es arasakmarisia.

sasadilo droebiT daketilia

da igi ise unda gakeTdes, rom

distanciis dacva moxerxdes.

fxizlad unda viyoT mkacr

reJimSi, rom rame ar gamogveparos.

rogorc zemoT vTqvi,

skola unda iyos 1-cvliani da

30 moswavleze meti klasSi ar

unda isxdes. ufrosebma yvelaferi

unda gavakeToT, rom moswavleebs

idealuri pirobebi

SevuqmnaT. bavSvs Tu maswavlebelma

erTxel aCvena siZulvili,

mas aRar Seiyvarebs. yvelas

unda moefero da Seni gulwrfeli

siyvaruli aCveno.

aWaris regionSi, bolo monacemebiT,

ramdenime skolam

droebiT SeaCera swavla da onlainswavlebaze

gadavida.

„qronika+“ dainteresda,

aWaris regionSi sul ramdeni

skola gadavida onlainswavlebaze

da aWaris ganaTlebis saministros

daukavSirda, sadac gangvicxades,

rom onlain swavlebaze

aWaris regionSi sul 12

skola da 25 klasia gadasuli.

`waikiTxa-ar waikiTxa - kacma ar icis! amis

praqtikac ar arsebobs, magram kompiuteris

gamoyenebiT kontroli SeiZleba, Tumca 100%-iT

bolomde mainc ver gaakontroleb. SeiZleba,

bavSvi kiTxulobdes da kompiuterSi gaCvenebdes,

rom gakveTils giyveba, - amas axerxeben~

xviCa mamulaZe

598 41 12 26

paata abaSiZe baTumeli poetia, uy-

varT da mis wignebsac siamovnebiT

kiTxuloben ...:

_ mogviyevi Tqven Sesaxeb...

_ vecdebi, gansxvavebulad aRvwero,

rom cnobili mwerali da sazogado

moRvawe ar var. davibade 1986 wels (rogorme).

mqonda banaluri bavSvoba, anu

mindoda, rom policieli an msaxiobi

gamovsuliyavi. bolos damTavrda bavSvobis

asaki da oTxwliani Tavdadebis

miuxedavad, mainc ver gamovedi verc

erTi, Tu ar CavTvliT, rom vwer

leqsebs (ar maqvs poetobaze ambicia) da

prozas (arc mwerlobaze maqvs ambicia).

var kosmosisTvis mSvildosani,

dedamiwisTvis zedmeti 89 kg. da garSemomyofTaTvis

cota mosamatebeli.

zomierad vixdi madlobas da uzomod

_ bankis vals;

vaxareb sxvis guls da Cems Wias;

yovelTvis vcekvav nacnobebTan da

arasdros _ sxvis dakrulze;

ar vwer, roca vkiTxulob da roca

vwer, ar vkiTxulob;

jerjerobiT var dasaqmebuli da

vyavar cols.

myavs sami Svili da vyavar sam Svils.

axla amas rom vwer, arc ise seriozuli

var.

_ Tqven xarT poeti, pirveli leqsi

gaixseneT

_ bavSvoba ufro bavSvuri iyo da rasac

vwerdi, bavSvobaSi davtove. ufro,

skolis asakidan gaRvivda CemSi poezia.

xdeba isec, rom modis didi grZnoba,

Tumca ver gadmoscem _ gulSi ixarSav,

gawamebs. isic poeziaa, roca gadmoscem,

rac guls gixravs _ am dros ukve wer.

_ Tqven sakmaod bevri adamiani gic-

nobT ...

_ didi araferi. ici, erTi kargi

paata abaSiZe: ,,erTi

ubralo kaci ubralo

leqsebs vwer~

Tviseba ra maqvs?! _ is, rom maqsimalurad

var ubralo da gulwrfeli. ar var

yeyeCi da qedmaRali. eg kidev sakiTxavia,

ramdenad cnobadi da „saxeliani”

var, magram vfiqrob, swori gziT mivdivar

da es ubraloeba da Tavmdabloba

migiyvans taZarTan.

_ ratom poezia?

_ rogor gavce am kiTxvas pasuxi?

amas Cven ar virCevT. erTi ubralo kaci

ubralo leqsebs vwer da mxolod esaa.

ra Tqma unda, garkveuli biZgebi arsebobs

Tavidanve, magram gadawyvetilebas

Cven ar vRebulobT. an wer, an _ ara. xom

ici, „raca vis ra bedman misceso”...

_ vin aris Tqveni sayvareli poeti?

_ mapatios bevrma, rom cota unda

CamovTvalo. miyvars bunebrivi leqsebi,

romlebsac gvTavazoben tariel xarxelauri,

besik xaranauli, roi abuseliZe,

vaxtang javaxaZe da kide erTi-ori.

nuravin Semedaveba gemovnebaze. vici,

rom es poetebi gansxvavebuli stiliT

gamoirCevian, magram me maTi leqsebi

mkvebavs.

_ SegiZliaT gamoarCioT Tqveni

leqsi ?

_ me romelic momwons, is Cems mkiTxvels

ar moswons. is ufro sxvas irCevs. erT

leqss getyviT. ar vici, mkiTxvels ramdenad

moewoneba, magram am leqsze sul

vfiqrob. albaT, Svilebis siyvarulis gamo.

„axla me rom am leqss giwer

_ naxe, magram jer ara

(dawolamde waikiTxe,

dRisiT Tu ar gcalia).

aha, oTx strof leqss giwer da

erT patara qveyanas

gitoveb da amisaTvis

nu gamkicxav Zalian.

ar danebde da ibrZole,

Torem bolos siyrue

dagibriyvebs cxovrebis

da gamogwuravs oflidan.

me rom axla mamaCemis

foto ase miyurebs,

minda, Cemma fotom ufro

giyuros kmayofilma.

gwamdes Seni ojaxis

da Svilisa da colisa,

nurc datoveb

sirTulesTan megobrebs

da Zmakacebs.

gaxsovdes, rom pirvel rigSi

(upirveles yovlisa),

jer kaci varT da odesme

dagvWirdeba sakacec.

nurc nuravis vals daideb,

arc sxvisi daitovo.

es cxovreba ukeTesi

ar aris da arc ginda.

uceb, rom mogenatro

da sadme veRar mipovo,

adeqi da Senc es

leqsi waikiTxe Tavidan“.

_ rogor fiqrobT, dRes sazogadoe-

bas wignebis kiTxvis mimarT interesi

ratom gauqra?

_ vfiqrob, yvela epoqas hyavda wignieri

da uwignuri Taoba („uwignurs”

cud konteqstSi ar vaxseneb), magram

dRes iklo wignierebam. wignis maRaziebic

qreba nel-nela. arsebul maRazieb-

Sic Semsvleli xalxi klebulobs. ar

vici, ar vici... vici is, rom unda movumatoT.

_ ra gegmebi gaqvT?

_ bevrs arafers vgegmav. mivyvebi dinebas.

samomavlod bednier saqarTvelo-

Si unda vicxovro. male iqneba es!

N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.

37


qarTuli finali evropis Cempionatze

lisabonSi, evropis Cempionatze, 90

kilogram woniT kategoriaSi finalSi

erTmaneTs laSa beqauri da beqa Rvinia-

Svili Sexvdnen. 20 wlis beqaurma drois

amowurvamde 50 wamiT adre sufTa gamarjveba

moipova. finalamde beqaurma

frangi aleqs matie, ebraeli li koCmani,

serbi nemania maidovi da Turqi maikl

Jganki daamarcxa, xolo RviniaSvilma –

estoneli kristofer kaliulaidi, ru-

mineli aleqs greti, ungreli kristian

toti da rusi mixail igolnikovi.

100 kilogram woniTi kategoriis finalSi

gavida varlam liparteliani, romelic

oqrosTvis belgiel toma nikiforovs

daeWida. samwuxarod, Cveneburi

damarcxda da vercxlis medals dasjerda.

es lipartelianis me-10 medalia evropirvelobaze.

amiT, Ziudoisti nestor

xergianis Sedegi (9 medali) gaamjobesa,

xolo saWidao saxeobebSi eldar kurtaniZes

daewia. finalamde lipartelianma

Turqi met sislanmari, poloneli kasper

Jurovski, frangi aleqsandr idiri da

rusi niaz iliasovi daamarcxa.

nikiforovma naxevarfinalSi ilia sulamaniZe

wagviqcia, romelic brinjaosTvis

frang aleqsanrd idirTan damatebiT

droSi damarcxda. manamde ki, sulamaniZem

niderlandeli mixael koreli,

xorvati zlatko kumriCi da azerbaijanel

zelim kocoevs ajoba.

mZime wonaSi Turqi jemal erdoRani

da ebraeli ori sasoni daamarcxebis

Semdeg guram TuSiSvilma naxevarfinal-

Si rus inal tasoevTan damarcxda. brinjaosTvis

brZlaSi ki, holandiel roi

meieri daagdo tatamze. amave wonaSi levan

matiaSvilma brinjaosTvis Widaobis

Sansi swored meierTan dakarga.

fliki midis... nakrebSi?

xviCa àiaqsSi?~

ra moxda aseTi erT dReSi? paraskevs, „volfsburgTan“ Tama-

Sis wina dRes, preskonferenciaze, „baiernis“ mwvrTnel hansi

fliks rom hkiTxes, samomavlod ra gagmebi gaqvTo, ase upasuxa:

„yvelani _ mwvrTnelebi Tu fexburTelebi _ sam moaxloebul

TamaSze varT mobilizebulebi, amis Semdeg ki amosunTqvis saSualeba

mogvecema. es kvira CvenTvis marTla Zalian mniSvnelova-

nia“.

da ai, dasrulda TamaSi. „rekordmaisterma“ „volfsburgs“ 3:2

mougo da fliki Tavis fexburTelebTan erTad gasaxdelSi Sevida.

damarcxebuli gundis mwvrTneli da moTamaSeebi interviuebs

aZlevdnen, „baiernidan“ ki aravin Canda. Turme, fliki moT-

amaSeebs eubneboda, rom sezonis dasrulebis Semdeg gundidan

midis. Tu ratom iqceva ase, mwvrTnels ar uTqvams.

daaxloebiT aT wuTSi fliki gasaxdelidan gamovida da jer

„sqais“ misca interviu, Semdeg _ sxvebs...

da ucnauri is iyo, rom am interviuebis mere bavarielTa Tav-

kaci isev telekompania „sqais“ wamyvan iens vestens miubrunda.

vesteni: gavige, rom raRacis Tqma gsurT…

fliki: diax, dRes gunds vuTxari, rom „pari sen JermenTan“

TamaSis Semdeg klubis xelmZRvanelobas wasvlis survili ga-

vumJRavne. am sezonSi davasruleb Cems kontraqts da waval.

Semdeg hans diter flikma ndobisTvis didi madloba gadaux-

ada „baiernis“ Sefebs, karl-hainc rumeniges, uli hionessa da

herbert hainers. mokled, yvelas, hasan salihamijiCis garda.

rogorc germanelebi weren, miuxedavad imisa, rom msoflio

mediaSi flikis „baiernidan“ wasvlis Sesaxeb bevrs laparakobdnen,

mwvrTnelis satelevizio gamosvla yvelasTvis moulodne-

li iyo, maT ricxvSi, klubis xelmZRvanelobisTvisac.

romel italiur da germanul

grands aRar daukavSires xviCa kvaracxelia.

interesi, SesaZloa, realurad

iyo, magram praqtikul moqmedebebze

aravin gadasula. rogorc

xviCas agentma mamuka juRelma

Tqva, jer marto amsterdamis

„aiaqsi” gadavida sityvebidan saqmeze.

ramdenime dReSi juRels Sexvedra

eqneba „aiaqsis” sportul direqtor

mark overmarsTan. Tu molaparakebis

procesi warmatebiT Caivlis,

holandielebs kvaracxelias

wayvana am zafxulsve surT. urigo

varianti ar unda iyos. romelime

supergrandSi saTadarigoTa skamze

jdoma xviCas namdvilad ar waadgeba,

„aiaqsSi” ki axalgazrda fexburTelebs

gacilebiT metad aZleven

Sanss.

igive azrisaa „rubinis” mTavari

mwvrTneli leonid slucki xviCa

ambiciuri biWia da mudmivi saTamaSo

praqtikis gareSe SesaZloa

fsiqologiurad gatydeso.

realSi bonuss ar aiReben

madridis „realis” fexburTelebma gadawyvites,

uari Tqvan bonusebze, Tu CempionTa

an la ligaSi gaimarjveben. am formiT

isini daexmarebian klubs pandemiiT

gamowveuli finansuri krizisis daZleva-

Si.

Tu „reali” ligasac moigebs da Cempionobasac,

fexburTelebi oridan erT bonuss

miiReben. mxolod am nabijiT klubis

salaros 30 milioni evro daezogeba. es

ar aris pirveli SemTxveva. gundma SarSan

ukve Tqva uari saCempiono bonusebze.

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laSa didi

ruseTis dedaqalaq moskov-

Si saqarTvelos himniT dasrulda

ZalosanTa evropis Cempionati.

yvelaze prestiJul, mZime

wonaSi qarTvelma Zalosanma

laSa talaxaZem turniris daskvniT

dRes sami oqros medali

moipova da erTi msoflio

rekordi daamyara.

talaxaZis oqros medlebSi

eWvi aravis epareboda... arc

msoflio rekordSi... Cveneburi

wonis udavo favoritia da mTavari

iyo, ra wonebs gaeTamaSeboda

igi.

222 kilogrami atacSi es axali

msoflio rekordia. talaxaZem

wona iolad daZlia da msoflio

rekordsmenTa siaSi kidev

erTxel daafiqsira sakuTari

Tavi.

laSam akvraSi 253 kilogrami

wonis aweviT meore moZraoba-

Sic oqro gainaRda... Tumca talaxaZem

rekordze (265) wasvla

amjerad ar gariska da 263 kilograms

dasjerda.

talaxaZis sami oqros medliT

saqarTvelos delegaciam

sul rva maRali sinjis medals

mouyara Tavi da gundur CaTvlaSi

mesame adgilze gavida.

SegaxsenebT, mcire oqros medlebi

moipoves revaz daviTa-

Zem da anastasia gotfridma,

xolo anton plesnoim samive

disciplinaSi oqro aiRo da saqarTvelos

himni ruseTis dedaqalaqSi

9 aprils aaJRerebina.

evropa saukeTesos elis

basilaSvils

kacmac uCivla

saqarTvelos pirvel Cogans _ nikoloz basilaSvils

_ axali sasamarTlo procesi elodeba: yofili

investori irakli kaWarava mas didi odenobiT

Tanxas edaveba. _ informacias rusuli presa

avrcelebs.

yofili investoris advokatis mtkicebiT, misma

klientma nikoloz basilaSvilis saCogburTo

karieris mimdinareobisas sakmaod didi Tanxa Cado

sportsmenis ganviTarebaSi da axla iTxovs kontraqtiT

gaTvaliswinebuli Tanxebis dabrunebas,

sxva detalebis gaxmaurebisgan ki advokatma Tavi

Seikava.

kuluaruli informaciiT, saqme exeba 2015 wels

investoris mxridan Tanxis Cadebas nika basilaSvilis

karieris ganviTarebaSi, ris Sedegadac dafinansda

qarTveli CogburTelis mogzauroba da

cxovrebis pirobebi maRali donis turnirebze,

ucxoeli mwvrTnelebis ayvana da aseve mkurnaloba

sxvadasxva ZviradRirebul klinikaSi. sasamarTlo

procesi uaxloes periodSi daiwyeba.

evropis CempionTa Tasi ragbiSi, kontinentis yvelaze

ufro warmatebuli da prestiJuli saklubo turniria.

tradiciulad, organizatorebma naxevarfinaluri matCebis

win gamoamzeures 15 moragbe, romlebic wardgenilni

arian sezonis saukeTeso moragbis wodebaze.

„la roSelma” pirvelad Tavis arsebobis istoriaSi gaaRwia

CempionTa Tasis naxevarfinalSi (1/4 finalSi mougo

„seil Sarqss” 45:21) da logikuricaa, rom misi Semadgenlobidan

laureatTa Soris erTbaSad 5 moragbea: gregori

aldriti, levani botia, kevin gurdoni, raimond ruli

da vil skeltoni.

„lensteri” 4 sportsmeniTaa warmodgenili: Tad furlongi,

robi hernSou, hugo qinani da joS van der fliri.

tuluzasac 4 kandidati hyavs: antoni duponi, jerom

kaino, julien marCani da romain ntamaki.

pretendentTa Soris aseve moxvdnen „bordo-begles” gamTamaSebeli

metiu Jaliberi da „klermonis” garemarbi kotaro

macuSima.

gregori aldriti (safrangeTi, la roSeli)

robi hernSou (irlandia, lensteri)

kotaro macuSima (iaponia, klermoni)

levani botia (fiji, la roSeli)

metiu Jaliberi (safrangeTi, bordo)

romain ntamaki (safrangeTi, tuluza)

antuan duponi (safrangeTi, tuluza)

reimond ruli (samxreT afrika, la roSeli)

Jerom kaino (axali zelandia, tuluza)

tag furlongi (irlandia, lensteri)

hugo qinani (irlandia, lensteri)

uil skeltoni (avstralia, la roSeli)

kevin gurdoni (safrangeTi, la roSeli)

Julien marSani (safrangeTi, tuluza)

joS van der fliri (irlandia, lensteri)

N6 (338) 19.04-2.05 .2021 w.

ubralod kari!

„golden steit voriorzis” gam-

TamaSebelma stef karim morigi Sou

dadga da kidev ramdenime rekords

Seutia. karis gundma „denver nagi-

Tss” 116:107 mougo, stefma ki 53 qula

(6-dan 4 orquliani, 18-dan 10 samquliani

da 16-dan 15 sajarimo), eqv-

si moxsna da oTxi pasi daagrova. es

yvelaferi 36 wuTSi.

dagrovebuli qulebis jamiT ka-

rim klubis istoriaSi legendarul

uilt Cemberlens gaaswro. axla stefis

angariSze 17.818 „goldenstei-

turi” qulaa.

stefma me-18 matCSi Caagdo 10 da

meti samquliani. es rekordi isedac

mas ekuTvnis da rTuli warmosadgenia,

uaxloes momavalSi vinme Seecilos,

radgan moqmedi kalaTburTelebidan

yvelaze axlos misive Tana-

gundeli klei tompsonia (5). jeims

hardens, damien lilardsa da jei ar

smits 3-3 aseTi matCi aqvT Catare-

buli.

karim meSvided moaxerxa, rom 10

samqulianTan erTad 50-qulian zRvars

gadaabija. esec NBA-s istori-

uli rekordia.

zedized meSvide matCSi kari 30

qulaze mets akeTebs matCSi. „golden

steitSi” aqamde aseTi maCvenebe-

li riki beris Soreul 1967 wels

hqonda.

39

CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK

kviris horoskopi

verZi

am periodis ganmavlobaSi varskvlavebi bevr

Tqvengans finansur sargebels hpirdebian, rac

Tqvens Sromaze iqneba damokidebuli. pasuxismgebloba

da movaleobebi ar unda ugulebelyoT,

rogorc adamianuri, ise profesionaluri TvalsazrisiT.

goniereba gamoiCineT kolegebTan ur-

TierTobisas, nu miagebT borots borotisTvis.

19 aprilidan 21 aprilis CaTvliT fxizlad iyaviT:

SeiZleba mogatyuon. sasiyvarulo urTier-

TobaSi Zveli vnebis aRdgenas Tavad unda SeecadoT.

gaxsovdeT, rom yvelaferi Tqvens xel-

Sia!

kuro

nebismieri kamaTi Tu Cxubi axla arasasurvelia.

piriqiT, SeecadeT keTilganwyobili iyoT

yvelas mimarT, visTanac urTierToba geqnebaT.

Tqveni keTili saqme momavalSi rTuli situaciidan

gamosvlaSi an zedmeti problemebis Tavidan

acilebaSi dagexmarebaT. varskvlavebis rCeviT,

gaiTvaliswineT isic, rom am periodSi gaformebuli

SeTanxmebebi (garigebebi), wamgebiani aRmoCndeba.

treningebi dadebiT Sedegs mogitanT,

SegiZliaT nebismieri onlain kursebiT daiwyoT.

tyupi

advili SesaZlebelia am kviraSi qronikulma

tkivilebma Tavi SegaxsenoT. yvelaze kargi, rac

SegiZliaT gaakeToT, cxovrebis jansaRi wesia.

samsaxurSi Tqveni proeqtebi nebismier SemTxvevaSi

ganxorcieldeba, Tumca cota mogvianebiT,

amitom ar inerviuloT. SabaT-kviras saxlSi nu

darCebiT, sufTa haerze gaiseirneT. 23-idan 25

ricxvamde SesaZlebelia garkveuli Tanxa miiRoT,

rasac ar elodiT.

kirCxibi

am niSnis zogierT warmomadgenels axla Sei-

Zleba samsaxurebrivi romani hqondes, Tumca am

romans, savaraudod, gagrZeleba ar eqneba. axla

ukeTesia samsaxurSi xelmZRvaneloba ar gaaRizianoT.

warmateba TqvenTan mova ara raime sarisko

wamowyebiT, aramed SromismoyvareobiT. ojax-

Si SesaZlebelia Sinauri kamaTi. gaaneitraleT

daZabuli situacia daTmobiT da keTilganwyobiT.

lomi

didi Sansia, am kviraSi Zalian dakavebuli aRmoCndeT.

gamoricxuli ar aris, es axali samuSaos

dawyebas exebodes. SeiZleba miiRoT macduri,

magram Zalian sarisko SemoTavazeba. xelidan

ar gauSvaT mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, Tu

pozitiur SedegSi sruliad darwmunebuli

iqnebiT. am periodis ganmavlobaSi sasurvelia

maqsimalurad imuSaoT, raTa Semdgom sakuTar

Tavs dasvenebis ufleba misceT. droa daiwyoT

Tqveni mogzaurobis dagegmva. pirad cxovrebaSi

situacia stabiluri iqneba.

qalwuli

nu daiwyebT urTierTobis garkvevas sayvarel

adamianTan. axla yvelaze kargi iqneba, Tu

erTmaneTisgan daisvenebT. am kviraSi Tqveni

umetesoba kmayofili darCeba Tavisi Sromis

nayofiT, Tumca sasurvelia maRalfasiani Sesyidvebi

ar ganaxorcieloT. varskvlavebi gir-

Ceven, saxlSi ar ijdeT da miiRoT yvela miwveva,

rasac SemogTavazeben.

saswori

rogori arCevanic ar unda gqondeT axla,

yvelafers sworad gaakeTebT. eWvi ar SegeparoT

Tqvens SesaZleblobebSi! imis codna, Tu

rogor unda moaxdinoT kargi STabeWdileba

adamianebze, axal megobrebs SegmatebT. am periodis

ganmavlobaSi SegiZliaT kardinalurad

SeicvaloT garegnoba da bedic axal gzas gamogiCenT.

SeecadeT iyoT ufro yuradRebiani

sakuTari janmrTelobis mimarT.


yovelkvireuli gazeTi gamodis kviraSi

erTxel, samSabaTobiT da vrceldeba

saqarTvelos mTel teritoriaze

yovelkvireuli

gamodis samSabaTobiT fasi 2 lari

pirveli gverdi:

1 sm 2 _ 15 lari, maqsimaluri SekveTa 300 sm 2 ;

meore-mesame gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 3 lari;

Sida gverdebi:

1 sm 2 _ 1 lari;

bolos wina gverdi:

1sm 2 _2 lari;

bolo gverdi:

1sm 2 _ 3 lari,

maqsimaluri SekveTa _ mTeli gverdi;

mTliani gverdis saerTo farTobia _

1000 sm 2;

reklama CanarTis saxiT:

A3 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 500 lari;

A4 formatis erT nomerSi ganTavseba _ 300 lari;

mis.: gudauris 7; 599 19 19 10 (Savlego cixelaSvili)

kviris horoskopi

morieli

Zveli nacnobebi, romlebic didi xania daiviwyeT,

kvlav gamoCndebian, Tumca maTi dro amoiwura!

es periodi xelsayrelia imisTvis, rom

Tqveni ideebi gaacnoT xelmZRvanelobas. maT

daamtkiceben. am periodis ganmavlobaSi SegiZliaT

gaakeToT ufro meti da ukeTesad, vidre

dagegmili gqondaT. piradi cxovreba stabiluri

da sakmaod komfortuli iqneba.

mSvildosani

am kviraSi movlenebi sakmaod sainteresod

warimarTeba. varskvlavebi xels giwyoben rogorc

pirad, ise profesiul asparezze iseTi cvlilebebis

ganxorcielebaSi, raze ocnebac ki ver gabedeT.

male Tqvens cxovrebaSi axali kari gaixsneba.

kolegebi dadebiTad Seafaseben Tqvens

nayofier monawileobas problemebis mogvareba-

Si da Tqveni avtoriteti maT TvalSi gaizrdeba.

axla ukeTesia sesxi ar gasceT, Tu fulis dakargva

ar gindaT. SabaT-kvira ojaxTan erTad gaatareT.

Txis rqa

zodiaqos am niSnis warmomadgenlebisTvis

mniSvnelovani iqneba 22 aprilidan 25 aprilamde

periodi. savaraudod, rogorc pirad, ise profesiul

cxovrebaSi cvlilebebia mosalodneli.

am dros SegiZliaT dagegmoT yvela mniSvnelovani

saqme – warmatebiT ganaxorcielebT! uaxloesi

naTesavebi SeiZleba Tqvenze ganawyendnen:

mzad iyaviT amisTvis. sTxoveT daxmareba megobrebs,

Tqvens meore naxevars da Tavs ukeTesad

igrZnobT.

merwyuli

sirTuleebi, romelTa gadaWrac bolo ramdenime

kviris ganmavlobaSi ver moaxerxeT, axla

ukve warsuls Cabardeba. kargi iqneba dagegmoT

mogzauroba, Tumca gaiTvaliswineT, rom frena

rekomendebuli ar aris. sasurvelia es dro mSvidad

gaataroT, divanze wamowolilma, saintereso

wigniT xelSi. dasveneba gWirdebaT! fizikurma

Sromam SeiZleba Zveli daavadebis gamwvaveba

gamoiwvios – frTxilad iyaviT.

Tevzebi

ar gsurT urTierTobis msxvreva? maSin sadaveebi

Tqvens partniors gadaeciT. Tavad izruneT

sakuTar Tavze – magaliTad, ganaaxleT garderobi.

Sopingi sixaruls mogitanT. sxvaTa

Soris, axla saukeTeso droa manqanis an binis

SesaZenad. amave dros, arasasurvelia sesxis aReba.

SemoifargleT mxolod axlo adamianebTan

komunikaciiT, romlebic kargad gicnoben.

1 aSS dolari

3.4363

1 evro

4.1187

1 girvanqa sterlingi

4.7380

100 rusuli rubli

4.5355

amindi

orSabaTi

samSabaTi

oTxSabaTi

xuTSabaTi

paraskevi

SabaTi

kvira

Tbilisi

22-24 0

23-24 0

21-23 0

17-20 0

18-20 0

15-17 0

15-18 0

quTaisi

23-25 0

22-24 0

13-16 0

17-19 0

19-21 0

23-25 0

16-19 0

baTumi

23-26 0

17-19 0

13-15 0

14-16 0

15-18 0

19-21 0

14-17 0

zugdidi

22-24 0

20-22 0

14-16 0

16-17 0

18-20 0

22-24 0

16-19 0

gori

17-20 0

21-23 0

13-15 0

11-13 0

12-14 0

14-16 0

11-13 0

Telavi

23-25 0

25-27 0

26-28 0

19-21 0

20-22 0

18-21 0

18-20 0

foTi

19-18 0

14-16 0

13-15 0

14-16 0

15-17 0

16-18 0

14-17 0

40

saredaqcio kolegia

yvela ufleba daculia;

`qronika+~-Si gamoqveynebuli

masalebis nebismieri saxiT

gamoyeneba da gavrceleba

redaqciasTan SeuTanxmeblad

akrZalulia!

gazeTSi R niSniT gamoqveynebul

masalebs aqvT sareklamo

xasiaTi; maTSi gamoxatuli pozicia

SeiZleba ar daemTxves

redaqciis Sexedulebas.

mTavari redaqtori eliso kilaZe (599 17 12 12)

marsagiSvili Sorena 599 92 16 22

stilisti rusudan quTaTelaZe;

vano pavliaSvili 595 48 35 85

redaqciis misamarTi:

rostiaSvili Tamar 577 10 07 06

Tbilisi, gudauris N3,

SatakiSvili rezo 597 94 42 50

pirveli sarTuli, bina 4;

mosiaSvili maka 599 97 25 55

tel.: injgia nene 591 71 39 98

294 69 77;

sakaruli giorgi 555 42 42 81

sareklamo ganyofileba,

qemokliZe levan 593 16 01 40

gavrcelebis samsaxuri

mamulaZe xviCa 598 41 12 26

Savlego cixelaSvili 599 19 19 10

deviZe daviT

gazeTi ibeWdeba stambaSi `tori~

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