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da `medole~ parlamentSi!<br />
ratom SeuerTda es banki, Tavis<br />
droze, cariel „axal qarTul<br />
banks” da ratom daazarales aqcionerebi?!<br />
1994 wels samtredia-<br />
Si gamocxadda, rom saxelmwifo<br />
Semnaxveli salaroebis bazaze „axali<br />
qarTuli bankis” samtrediis<br />
filiali unda dafuZnebuliyo. am<br />
bankis dafuZnebaSi sabWouri mane-<br />
Tebi unda Cadebuliyo. es xdeba<br />
kuponis gamosvlamde. Cven daveTanxmeT<br />
da 1447 adgilobrivi mkvidri<br />
samtrediis saxelmwifo Semnaxveli<br />
komerciuli bankis meanabreebi<br />
gavxdiT. aRmoCnda, rom banki carieli<br />
furclebiT davafuZneT da<br />
fuli gatanili iyo. dReis mdgomareobiT<br />
arc erT meanabres da<br />
aqcioners dividendebi ar migviRia,<br />
am yvelaferSi ki CxartiSvilis<br />
xeli urevia. mas uranis jaWvuri<br />
reaqciis msgavsi kavSirebi aqvs yvela<br />
finansur oligarqTan, maT<br />
Soris, wvril oligarqebTan.<br />
_ konkretulad rom gviTxraT,<br />
Ria kavSiri miqelaZesa da Cxar-<br />
tiSvilis gunds Soris visi saxiT<br />
ikveTeba?<br />
_ Tu samtrediaSi CxartiSvilis<br />
ndobiT aRWurvil pirTan, daviT<br />
kopaleiSvilTan, gia miqelaZes<br />
finansuri valdebulebebi aqvs,<br />
Tqveni azriT, maT Soris kavSirebi<br />
ar arsebobs?<br />
_ ufro gasagebi rom iyos<br />
mkiTxvelisTvis, daviT kopaleiS-<br />
vili vin aris?<br />
_ 1995 wlis 19 ivnisis brZanebulebiT,<br />
„gaerTianebuli qarTuli<br />
bankis” nomer me-20 filialis mmar-<br />
Tveli daviT kopaleiSvili, imave,<br />
95 wlis bolos daakaves. dakavebis<br />
mizezi gaxldaT misi ukanono komerciuli<br />
saqmianoba, romelsac CxartiSvilTan<br />
samsaxuris paralelurad<br />
aTavsebda. vano CxartiSvilma<br />
prokuraturas da gamoZiebas<br />
Cveneba misca, sadac Tqva: ar vicodi,<br />
daviTi, amavdroulad, sxva<br />
komerciul saqmianobas Tu eweodao.<br />
kopaleiSvili rom daiWires,<br />
vano CxartiSvili Cadga Suamdgomlad,<br />
garantad. es imitom moxda,<br />
rom kopaleiSvili misi dasayrdeni<br />
iyo raionSi. kopaleiSvilis xeliT<br />
gvZarcvavda CxartiSvili. Zneli<br />
dasajerebelia, CxartiSvils<br />
amis Sesaxeb ar scodnoda. zogadad<br />
yvelam viciT, rom garantad udgebian<br />
Zalian axlobel adamianebs.<br />
kopaleiSvili finansuri maqinaciebis<br />
garda mSeneblobis<br />
biznesSi iyo, misi marjvena<br />
xeli ki im wlebSi gia miqelaZe<br />
gaxldaT, isini erTad<br />
iyofdnen wilebs.<br />
_ rogor fiqrobT, ratom<br />
airCia gia miqelaZe „qarTul-<br />
ma ocnebam”?<br />
_ eg, albaT, biZina ivaniSvils<br />
unda hkiTxoT. me SemiZlia<br />
giTxraT, ratom airCia miqelaZem<br />
„ocneba”. mTavroba<br />
misnairi adamianebisTvis<br />
xelSeuxeblobis<br />
garantiaa.<br />
dRevandel<br />
situacias<br />
rom vuyureb,<br />
dRiTi dRe vrwmundebi,<br />
parlamentaroba<br />
aseT<br />
adamianebs imitom<br />
ki ar surT,<br />
rom xalxis samsaxurSi<br />
undaT yofna,<br />
mTavrobaSi imitom<br />
undaT mosvla, rom<br />
valebi gaistumron, TavianTi biznesebi<br />
daicvan. xelSeuxeblobisTvis<br />
kargi garantiaa umaRles sakanonmdeblo<br />
organoSi wamoskupeba.<br />
_ „ocnebis” garda ra Zalebi<br />
ibrZvis samtrediaSi aqtiurad<br />
Zalauflebis mosapoveblad?<br />
_ mmarTveli gundisa da yofili<br />
saxelisuflebo partiebis<br />
garda, samtrediaSi daregistrirebulia:<br />
„saxelmwifo xalxisTvis”<br />
„patriotTa aliansi” „girCi”. dReis<br />
mdgomareobiT, sazogadoebaSi<br />
rom gavikiTxe, davaskveni: yvelaze<br />
profesionali, Camoyalibebuli da<br />
Rirseuli gaxlavT advokati emzar<br />
SublaZe. „nacionalebs” raionSi meore<br />
savaraudo kandidati hyavT,<br />
eqimi janeliZe. yofili saxelisuflebo<br />
gundi CvenTan am ors Soris<br />
gaakeTebs arCevans.<br />
_ SegiZliaT gviTxraT, vis aqvs<br />
gamarjvebis realuri Sansi?<br />
_ rogorc aRvniSne, sazogadoebaSi<br />
didi avtoritetiT sargeblobs<br />
sakrebulos yofili Tavmjdomare<br />
da advokati emzar SublaZe,<br />
romelic „erTian nacionalur<br />
moZraobas” warmoadgens. molaparakebebi<br />
warmoebs. me maTi mxardam-<br />
Weri ar var, Tumca aseTi informacia<br />
maqvs. maT CvenTan Zlieri<br />
kandidati eyolebaT.<br />
_ rogor fiqrobT, Tu miqe-<br />
laZem samtrediaSi gaimarjva, ra<br />
gamowvevebis winaSe dadageba<br />
raionis mosaxleoba?<br />
_ mgonia, rom es ar moxdeba.<br />
meeWveba, samtrediis mosaxleobis<br />
umravlesobam imas moaweros xeli,<br />
rom morig jerze matyuara daawinauros.<br />
dRes erTi pensioneri<br />
meubneba, sofel xunjulaurSi gia<br />
miqelaZes edemis baRi aqvs datacebuli,<br />
fulebiT mowyobilio.<br />
amas winaT socialuri qseliT gia<br />
miqelaZes dapatiJeba gavugzavne<br />
da Tu me wamiyvana, „qronika+”-is<br />
Jurnalistebsac gepatiJebiT, er-<br />
Tad vnaxoT, ra xdeba mis edemis<br />
baRSi. guSin qalaqis centrSi, xalxmraval<br />
adgilas gavedi da erTi<br />
adamianisgan movismine: amisTvis Cagviyvanes<br />
quTaisSi im sicxeSi, gia<br />
miqelaZisTvis rom dagveWira mxario?<br />
_ qalbatono mayvala, sxva kandidatebis<br />
Sesaxeb Tu gaqvT in-<br />
gia miqelaZe<br />
N27(158) 26.07-1.08.2016 w.<br />
`premierma kvirikaSvilma samtrediis<br />
maJoritari deputatobis kandidatad<br />
gia miqelaZe dagvisaxela, ramac Cemi<br />
gakvirveba gamoiwvia. aRniSnuli<br />
pirovneba 2003 wlidan zviad ZiZiguris<br />
konkurenti iyo. yofilma prezidentma,<br />
saakaSvilma, Tavis droze, gia miqelaZe<br />
daasaxela, rogorc kriminali,<br />
finansuri damnaSave da samtredielebs<br />
mogviwoda, zviad ZiZigurisTvis<br />
dagveWira mxari. mosaxleobam<br />
virwmuneT ZiZiguris da mas miveciT<br />
Sansi, magram "nacebis" gamarjvebisTanave<br />
gia miqelaZe da ZiZiguri ucnaurad<br />
Cumad dazavdnen. dazavebis motivi<br />
finansuri gaxldaT. me aqtiurad<br />
vadevneb Tvals rogorc aq<br />
ganviTarebul ambebs, ise beWdur medias<br />
da sainformacio saSualebebs. kargad<br />
maxsovs, mixeil saakaSvili mosaxleobas<br />
rogor dahpirda, rom miqelaZes<br />
daiWerda, Tumca danapirebi ar<br />
Sesrulda. vvaraudob, rom<br />
eqsprezidentma mas im wlebSi ZiZiguris<br />
xeliT didi fuli waarTva, rac imiT<br />
dasrulda, rom saakaSvili da ZiZiguri<br />
erTmaneTs maleve gaeyarnen~<br />
formacia? rogoria sxvadasxva<br />
opoziciuri partiis warmomad-<br />
genelTa Sansebi?<br />
_ sxvadasxva partiis ofisSi<br />
viyavi. bevrgan, jer kidev, samzadisia.<br />
„patriotebs” jer ar warmoudgeniaT<br />
TavianTi kandidatura.<br />
rom raionSi nihilizmia. xalxi<br />
Tavs mitovebulad grZnobs. es ganwyoba<br />
partiebSic igrZnoba.<br />
_ iqneb, gaixsenoT, ra gakeTda<br />
da ra ver gakeTda „qarTuli oc-<br />
nebis” mmarTvelobis periodSi?<br />
_ yvelaze mTavari, rac „qarTuli<br />
ocnebis” programidan maxsovs<br />
da gamixarda, es iyo sportis sasaxlis<br />
aSeneba samtrediSi, vinaidan<br />
Cemi SviliSvili sportsmenia, fexburTelia.<br />
magram sportis sasaxle<br />
ki ara, miSas dros aSenebuli stadioni<br />
ver SeinarCunes. naxeT,<br />
rogor aris filebi ayrili. saer-<br />
To ezoebis keTilmowyobas dagvpirdnen,<br />
egec tyuili. saxelmwifo<br />
grantis gaormagebas dagvpirdnen,<br />
ar Sesrulda. yvelaze mTavari _<br />
xelfasebi ar gazrdila, socialuri<br />
daxmarebebi gaormagdebao da<br />
visac hqonda, yvelas moexsna. danapirebis<br />
20%-ic ar SeusrulebiaT.<br />
axla ratom unda davujeroT? miT<br />
ufro, im viTarebaSi, roca gia<br />
miqelaZe moaxvies raions TavianT<br />
kandidatad! aqamde araferi gakeTebula<br />
da finansur maqinacieb-<br />
Si SemCneuli kaci agvayvavebs?<br />
_ rogorc vatyob, „qarTuli<br />
ocnebis” mier warmodgenil kandi-<br />
dats 8 oqtombris arCevnebSi ar<br />
SemoxazavT...<br />
_ rasakvirvelia, ara! Cven<br />
davbrundebiTo, iyo aseTi simRera.<br />
`miqelaZes metsaxelad "medoles" eZaxdnen.<br />
skolaSi swavlis periodSi, Turme, dolze<br />
ukravda. Semdeg doli gadado da sxvadasxva<br />
batonTa kargi msaxuri gaxda, riTac jibe kargad<br />
moisqela. TaRliTebi xanac sabanko seqtors<br />
amoefarebian, xanac - politikur organizaciebs.<br />
me ukve davrwmundi, rom "qarTuli ocneba"<br />
WurSia. ZiZigurs aq aravin dauWers mxars, man es<br />
kargad icis. Sesabamisad, is da miqelaZe dRes<br />
dazavdnen. gia miqelaZe ufro miviwyebuli hyavs<br />
xalxs da amJamad "qarTuli ocnebis" qolgis qveS<br />
surs reabilitacia. misTvis partiebis cvla<br />
araxalia, igi erT dros "mrewvelebis" wevric<br />
iyo. swored miqelaZisnairebma gaflanges xalxis<br />
anabrebi. qalaq samtrediaSi vano CxartiSvilis<br />
warmomadgenlis, daTo kopaleiSvilis safinanso<br />
organizaciaSi - "21-e saukuneSi", gia miqelaZis<br />
kriminaluri saqmianobis Sesaxeb 300-gverdiani<br />
saqme arsebobs. axla rac xdeba, amas fizikis<br />
eniT ganurCeveli mdgomareoba hqvia. xalxi<br />
gaognebulia, gia miqelaZe maJoritarad rom<br />
dasaxelda~<br />
me mgoni, jemal sefiaSvilma dawera,<br />
magram es simRera emigrantebze<br />
iyo, TaRliTebze ki ara!<br />
_ am intervius ise ver davas-<br />
ruleb, yvelaze cnobil samtre-<br />
dielze, kaxi kalaZeze rom ar<br />
gkiTxoT. Tqven sityva ar dagcde-<br />
niaT mis mamaze _ karlo kalaZeze,<br />
romelsac raionSi gavlenebi aqvs.<br />
_ simarTle giTxraT, kaxi<br />
menaneba „qarTuli ocnebisTvis”. is<br />
warmatebuli fexburTelia. man<br />
bevrs miaRwia cxovrebaSi, Tumca<br />
dRes bevris gakeTebis saSualeba<br />
ar aqvs. ar mindoda amis Tqma, magram<br />
radganac mkiTxeT, mokled<br />
vityvi: 2002 wels dabadebul fexburTelebs,<br />
romlebic noe CigogiZesTan<br />
iwvrTnebian, stadionze<br />
ar uSveben, _ adgili ar ariso. bavSvebi<br />
iq varjiSoben, sadac Zroxebi<br />
balaxoben. Cemi SviliSvili luka<br />
fexburTSi varjiSobs. Sevawuxe<br />
karlo, rom yuradReba mimiqciemeTqi,<br />
manac noe CigogiZes daavala,<br />
rom mixedeo, magram dedamisi<br />
yidulobs formebs, burTs da yvelafers.<br />
aqve, cxrasarTuliani korpusis<br />
win, sabavSvo baRia da am<br />
baRis ministadionze varjiSoben<br />
luka da misi amxanagebi. ranairi<br />
stadionia is? Tu evropaSi gvinda,<br />
Sesabamisi stadionebi unda gvqondes.<br />
Cven ratom unda vyidulobdeT<br />
burTebs, formebi ratom ar<br />
aqvT bavSvebs? gasaxdelis fulsac<br />
vixdiT.<br />
_ Tqven mier aRwerili situa-<br />
cia kaxis bralia Tu mamamisis?<br />
amas imitom gekiTxebiT, rom<br />
raionSi sportul cxovrebas, ram-<br />
denadac vici, karlo ganagebs.<br />
_ fexburTelebs ukeTesi<br />
pirobebi ar unda hqondeT, roca<br />
kaxi kalaZe maTi qalaqidanaa? kaxi<br />
Segvpirda, sportul akademias<br />
gavxsnio, magram araferi msgavsi.<br />
elementarulic ar ukeTdebaT axali<br />
Taobis fexburTelebs raion-<br />
Si.<br />
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