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CIAN MAGENTA YALLOW BLACK<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
yovelkvireuli gazeTi<br />
eqskluzivi<br />
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krizissac<br />
gamodis samSabaTobiT N37 (<strong>168</strong>) 18.10<br />
10.201<br />
.2016 fasi 2 lari<br />
soso hqvia!<br />
gv. 7<br />
yofili partizanis<br />
skandaluri aRiareba<br />
irakli RaribaSvilisa da laSa<br />
nacvliSvilis sagangebo davaleba<br />
gv. 2<br />
zaza xatiaSvili:<br />
`ivaniSvilma mSvidi arCevnebi<br />
Caatara da mSvidad `damarxa~<br />
politikuri speqtri!~ gv. 4<br />
giorgi baramiZe:<br />
`ivaniSvilis xelSi sakonstitucio<br />
umravlesoba qveynisTvis<br />
didi safrTxea~ gv. 14<br />
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dimitri xundaZe:<br />
`ar aris gamoricxuli<br />
davfiqrde, miRirs Tu ara<br />
parlamentSi Sesvla~ gv. 8<br />
levan berZeniSvili:<br />
`ara mgonia `qarTul ocnebas~<br />
usufaSvilis dari kadri hyavdes<br />
parlamentis Tavmjdomared~ gv. 11<br />
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ar vyofilvar, magram viTareba<br />
Zalian cudiao. swored im wuTs<br />
gogi naWyebias samuSao oTaxSi<br />
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levan Sonia dacvis wevr-<br />
Tan erTad Sevida. levan Soniam<br />
r. g.-sTan saubari gaagrZela, _<br />
nuravis imedi nu geqneba, damTavrda,<br />
rac ginaxavs, veRar naxavo.<br />
Tu kargad moiqcevi, Sens Tavs<br />
upatrone da yvelaferi kargad<br />
iqneba, gaweuli samsaxuri dagifasdebao.<br />
aqve levan Soniam mas<br />
daukonkreta, _ Cvenebebi gvinda,<br />
Cven ki bevri viciT Senze, magram<br />
Seni naTqvami bevrad ufro damajerebeli<br />
iqnebao. amaT „modul-<br />
Si” unda wahyve, danarCenze iq dagelaparakebiano.<br />
me rogorc galels,<br />
Senze guli mwydeba, minda,<br />
yvelaferi gqondes da kargad<br />
iyoo. amis Semdeg levan Soniam r.<br />
g.-s ori stumari gaacno. erT<br />
maTgans aleqsi erqva, meores kaxa<br />
_ (CixlaZe). r. g. misaRebSi gaiyvanes<br />
da ramdenime wuTSi Tbilisisken<br />
daiZrnen. „modulis” SenobaSi<br />
r. g.-s elodebodnen. is, misive<br />
ganmartebiT, meore sarTulze,<br />
derefnis marjvena mxares,<br />
erT-erT oTaxSi Seiyvanes. isic<br />
da misi meTvalyureebic saRamos<br />
Svidi saaTidan pirvel saaTamde<br />
laSa nacvliSvils elodebodnen.<br />
saubarSi aleqsic da kaxac periodulad<br />
interesdebodnen, Se-<br />
Zlebda Tu ara is, qarTul specsamsaxurebs<br />
afxazeTis teritoriaze<br />
daxmareboda. r. g.-m aucilebel<br />
pirobad konfidencialobis<br />
dacva moiTxova. Ramis pirvyofili<br />
partizanis<br />
`qarTulma ocnebam” xelisufle-<br />
eliso kilaZe<br />
irakli baSi yofnis oTxi weli sazogadoe-<br />
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lia, damnaSaveebi dasjili ar arian.<br />
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ramdenime skandaluri saqmis<br />
aranakleb skandalur detalebs<br />
amxels. misi monaTxrobidan<br />
irkveva, rom gela xvedeliZis<br />
winaaRmdeg mTeli Zalovani vertikali<br />
muSaobda, maT Soris, Ss<br />
ministris yofili moadgile laSa<br />
nacvliSvili da samxedro policiis<br />
maRalCinosani kaxa CixlaZe.<br />
r. g. afxazeTidan devnilia,<br />
2013 wlis ianvris dasawyisSi es<br />
pirovneba zugdidSi „susis” maSindelma<br />
ufrosma gogi naWyebiam<br />
daibara. maT Soris saubari sam<br />
saaTze met xans grZeldeboda.<br />
Saubarii iyo konkretul saqmeze<br />
sasurveli Cvenebis miRebaze.<br />
saubris bolos gogi naWyebias<br />
telefonze daurekes. amis Semdeg<br />
igi r. g.-s moubrunda: ginda Tu<br />
ar ginda, es ukve Seni gadasawyveti<br />
araa, „modulis” SenobaSi laSa<br />
nacvliSvili gelodeba, rogorc<br />
iq moiqcevi, saqmec ise wagivao.<br />
cxadi iyo, nacvliSvili da naWyebia<br />
SeTanxmebulad moqmedebdnen.<br />
r. g.-m saxlSi darekvis ufleba<br />
iTxova, magram mas amis saSualeba<br />
ar misces. ramdenime wuTSi naWyebias<br />
oTaxSi ori piri Semovida.<br />
erTi maTgani gogi naWyebiam mosasvenebel<br />
oTaxSi gaiyvana, meore<br />
ki r. g.-s win Camoujda da magidaze<br />
nouTbuqi, da fotoaparati<br />
daawyo. moulodnelma stumarma<br />
yofil partizans afxazeTze<br />
Camougdo saubari, _ ra xdeba, ra<br />
viTarebaa am wuTas sazRvris iqi-<br />
To? r. g.-m pasuxad, _ didi xania,<br />
irakli RaribaSvilisa<br />
da laSa nacvliSvilis<br />
sagangebo davaleba<br />
irakli RaribaSvili<br />
Tamaz TamazaSvili<br />
laSa nacvliSvili<br />
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skandaluri aRiareba<br />
irakli RaribaSvili da gela xvedeliZe<br />
el saaTze mas uTxres, rom Sinagan<br />
saqmeTa ministri irakli RaribaSvili<br />
masTan laSa nacvliSvils<br />
agzavnida da yvelaferi ma-<br />
Ral doneze gadawydeboda. zustad<br />
naxevar saaTSi r. g.-sTan la-<br />
Sa nacvliSvili da kaxa Sevidnen.<br />
aleqsisa da kaxas igi jer isev<br />
saxelebiT icnobda da „susis”<br />
maRalCinosnebi egona. laSa nacvliSvili<br />
saxeze icno. Ss ministris<br />
moadgilem masTan saubari<br />
okupirebul afxazeTSi rus samxedroebze<br />
Tavdasxmis faqtebiT<br />
daiwyo. r. g.-s ganmartebiT, maT<br />
Soris saubari TiTqmis oTxi saa-<br />
Ti grZeldeboda. laSa nacvliSvils<br />
misTvis cru mowmeoba aRar<br />
mouTxovia, mas mxolod is ainteresebda,<br />
SeZlebda Tu ara afxazeTSi<br />
gadasvlas da hqonda Tu<br />
ara SenarCunebuli kavSiri afxazur<br />
partizanul dajgufebasTan.<br />
aseve ainteresebda, ra urTier-<br />
Toba hqonda rus samxedroebTan.<br />
laSa nacvliSvilTan saubari dilis<br />
oTx saaTze, konkreuli SeTavazebis<br />
gareSe, dasrulda. nacvliSvilma<br />
aleqsisa da kaxas daubara,<br />
r. g. iqve, „modulis” Senoba-<br />
Si moesvenebinaT. diliT sauzmisas<br />
kaxas isev daurekes da r. g.-s<br />
saswrafod meore sarTulze ayvana<br />
mosTxoves, man derefanSive<br />
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Tvis ucnob pirovnebasTan erTad.<br />
man ojaxSi darekvis ufleba isev<br />
iTxova, telefoni misces da uTxres,<br />
ojaxisTvis ar gaemxila, rom<br />
TbilisSi imyofeboda, Tqvi, rom<br />
megobrebTan erTad TurqeTSi<br />
wavedio. laSa nacvliSvilma r. g.-<br />
s magidaze oTxi fotosuraTi<br />
daudo. mas gansakuTrebiT valmir<br />
buTbas amocnoba ainteresebda.<br />
oTxi fotodan r. g.-m, misive<br />
gadmocemiT, sami amoicno. erTerTi<br />
maTgani engurs gamoRma<br />
saerTod ar iyo namyofi, amitomac<br />
moeCvena ucnaurad misi vinaobiT<br />
laSa nacvliSvilis daintereseba.<br />
rogoc Cans, maT kargad<br />
icodnen r. g.-sa da fotoze aRbeWdili<br />
pirovnebis axlo megobrobis<br />
ambavi. swored amitomac<br />
laSa nacvliSvilma mas SesTavaza,<br />
_ gadmovides saqarTveloSi, garantiebsac<br />
mivcemT, gvinda, saqmeze<br />
davelaparakoT, gvemegobroso.<br />
r. g.-m zustad icoda, rom<br />
aRniSnuli pirovneba saqarTveloSi<br />
gadmosvlaze ar dasTanxmdeboda,<br />
radgan 2008 wlis ruseTsaqarTvelos<br />
omis dros maikopis<br />
batalionSi ibrZoda da senakis<br />
samxedro bazaSi SeWrili okupantebis<br />
aseulSi iricxeboda. laSa<br />
nacvliSvils es informacia ar<br />
hqonda da gaukvirda. iqneb, me<br />
damabaroT, ra saqme gaqvTo? _ SesTavaza<br />
nacvliSvils r. g.-m. _ nu<br />
iCqarebo, _ am sityvebiT ministris<br />
moadgilem kabineti datova.<br />
daaxloebiT naxevar saaTSi isev<br />
dabrunda, kaxa CixlaZes oTaxidan<br />
gasvla aniSna da saaTze met<br />
xans uxsnida, rom saqme, romelsac<br />
mas daavalebdnen, saidumlos<br />
Senaxvis aucileblobas moiTxovda.<br />
paralelurad, nacvliSvili<br />
telefoniT mesijobda. aT wuTSi<br />
oTaxSi gaufrTxileblad irakli<br />
RaribaSvili Sevida. laSa nacvliSvilma<br />
RaribaSvils uTxra, _<br />
Cveniania, yofili partizani da<br />
mebrZoli, soxumSi bevri dasayrdeni<br />
hyavs, TviTonac SeuZlia<br />
gadavides, rusebTan problema ar<br />
gaaCnia da erTad gazrdil afxaz<br />
megobrebTan kargi damokidebuleba<br />
aqvso. _ kargi, kargi Cvenc<br />
pativiscema ar movakloT da yuradReba<br />
mivaqcioTo. Ss ministri<br />
Cqarobda. fexze damdgarma laSa<br />
N37(<strong>168</strong>) 18.10-24.10.2016 w.<br />
nacvliSvils daabara: detalebi<br />
kargad gaiare, mTavaria Cawerao.<br />
karTan misuli RaribaSvili ukan<br />
dabrunda da r. g.-s hkiTxa, _ ra<br />
manqana gyavso? r. g.-s bankis valebis<br />
gamo manqana axali gayiduli<br />
hqonda. nacvliSvilma RaribaSvili<br />
gaacila da ukan dabrunebulma r.<br />
g.-s uTxra, _ xval saCuqars gimzadeben,<br />
jipi xom giyvarso?<br />
„qronika+” cxadia, Seecada<br />
gaerkvia, ra davaleba iyo aseTi<br />
levan Sonia<br />
ZviradRirebuli da ratom arse-<br />
bobda am davalebis misamarTiT<br />
Zalovani uwyebis pirveli pire-<br />
bis interesi, maSin roca saqme<br />
romelime konkretul saqmeze<br />
cru Cvenebis micemas ar iTvaliswinebda.<br />
_ es aris specdavale-<br />
ba, romelsac gansakuTrebuli<br />
sifrTxiliT unda moekidoo, _<br />
auxsna laSa nacvliSvilma r. g.-<br />
s.<br />
_ Cven daviwyebT Sens gamokiTxvas<br />
ruseTis kontrdazvervis<br />
polkovnikis, edik emimzades mkvlelobasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, es<br />
faqti unda moyve, TiTqos yvelaferi<br />
ici, rom Seni megobris<br />
gakeTebulia qarTuli specsamsaxurebis<br />
davalebiT. raki faqti<br />
okupirebuli afxazeTis teritoriaze<br />
moxda, saqmec ki ar aRiZvreba,<br />
ubralod, es iqneba Seni<br />
vizitis mizezi „modulis” Senoba-<br />
Si erT-erT maRalCnosanTan, romelic<br />
Cveni TanamSromelia, ministris<br />
moadgilea. axla biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
davalebaa, am pirovnebis<br />
Camocileba kompromatebiTo, _<br />
auxsna laSa nacvliSvilma da pirvelad<br />
uxsena ministris moadgilis,<br />
gela xvedeliZis saxeli da<br />
gvari. gegmis Tanaxmad, r. g.-s xvedeliZesTan<br />
Sexvedra marto unda<br />
moeTxova, saubari unda gaeWianurebina,<br />
detalebis dakonkretebaSi<br />
dro unda moego. nacvliSvilma<br />
gela xvedeliZis foto aCvena<br />
da magidis ujridan aparatura<br />
amoiRo, romelic qurTukze<br />
unda daemagrebina. auxsna, rom<br />
saWiro iyo masTan pirispir dajdoma<br />
da xvedeliZis saxiT gada-<br />
Reba. qurTuki oTaxSi kaxa CixlaZem<br />
Seitana da manve ganumarta<br />
r. g.-s, rom faruli kamera qur-<br />
Tukis bolo Rilze damontaJdeboda.<br />
gaafrTxiles, rom qurTuks<br />
xeliT ar Sexeboda da xvedeliZesTan<br />
saubris teqstis Sinaarsic<br />
gadasces.<br />
laSa nacvliSvilis idea iyo,<br />
rom gela xvedeliZesTan saubari<br />
r. g.-s edik emimzades mkvlelobis<br />
garSemo unda daewyo, Semdeg<br />
ki saubarSi eTqva, rom galis<br />
raionis sofel fiCorSi aqubardiebis<br />
saxlSi ZviradRirebuli<br />
mosasmeni aparaturaa damontaJebuli<br />
da is qarTuli specsamsaxuris<br />
maRalCinosnebs exmareboda<br />
am aparaturis gadatanaSi. nacvliSvilis<br />
ganmartebiT, xvedeliZe<br />
am faqtiT dainteresdeboda. mTavari<br />
iyo, firze aRbeWdiliyo<br />
gela xvedeliZis am aparaturiT<br />
daintereseba.<br />
„qronika+” sakuTari arxebiT<br />
Seecada gadaemowmebina, namdvilad<br />
iyo Tu ara galis raionSi<br />
ZviradRirebuli mosasmeni aparatura?<br />
Cvenma wyarom Tavdacvis<br />
saministrodan dagvidastura,<br />
rom samxedro policias marTlac<br />
hqonda SesaZlebloba, okupirebul<br />
afxazeTSi rusebis gadaadgileba<br />
ekontrolebina, rom sofel<br />
fiCorSi erT-erT mitovebul<br />
saxlSi ara mosasmeni aparatura,<br />
aramed radio lokaciis sixSiris<br />
danadgari iyo damontaJebuli,<br />
romliTac okupantebis gadaadgileba<br />
kontroldeboda.<br />
gagrZeleba meeqvse gv.<br />
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advokatTa asociaciis Tavmjdomare,<br />
zaza xatiaSvili, arCevnebis irgvliv pirvel komentars<br />
akeTebs da eqskluziurad „qronika+”-s skandalur am-<br />
bebs uyveba.<br />
zaza xatiaSvili:<br />
_ Zalian cudad, samarcxvinod<br />
Catarda arCevnebi. ukve sakanonmdeblo<br />
katastrofaa, roca mmarTveli<br />
partia 48%-s iRebs da Sansi<br />
aqvs, rom sakonstitucio umravlesobiT<br />
movides. biZina politikaSi<br />
roca modioda, fics debda, rom<br />
aseT rames Secvlida, magram axla<br />
Tavadac gaakeTa. es iyo #1-li<br />
dapireba, romelic man ar Seasrula.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, vfiqrob,<br />
rom es kaci aris samoqalaqo sazogadoebis<br />
ganviTarebisTvis saSiSi<br />
elementi _ rac SeeZlo, yvela xerxs<br />
mimarTa, raTa SeenarCunebina<br />
Tavisi gabatonebuli mdgomareoba.<br />
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dac gaanadgura politikuri<br />
Zalebi, es ras niSnavs, iqneb, ukeT<br />
auxsnaT mkiTxvels?<br />
_ diax, biZina ivaniSvilma paata<br />
burWulaZe, Salva naTelaSvili da<br />
irakli alasania sxvadasxva meTodiT<br />
gaanadgura. faqtobrivad,<br />
rasac akeTebda mixeil saakaSvili,<br />
man daiwyo amis kopireba. cxadia,<br />
gaxsovT mixeil saakaSvilis dakve-<br />
Tili kvlevebi rogorc cxaddeboda<br />
zarzeimiT da mere saarCevno<br />
komisiac cifrebs am dakveTili kvlevebidan<br />
gamomdinare svamda. bi-<br />
Zinam dainaxa, rom es meTodi kargad<br />
Wrida da esec gadaiRo Tavisive<br />
Seqmnili saakaSvilisgan, romelsac<br />
afinansebda da amas arc malavda.<br />
paata burWulaZe roca politikaSi<br />
Semovida, es biZinasTvis da,<br />
saerTod, bevrisTvis Sokismomgvreli<br />
iyo, amitomac „kargad momzadebuli”<br />
Sexvda „susi”. burWulaZem<br />
prezentacia Caatara, romelzec<br />
mimiwvia da veswrebodi. unda<br />
yofiliyo fondis prezentacia,<br />
magram movismine politikuri partiis<br />
prezentacia. ra Tqma unda,<br />
iq, albaT, „susis” warmomadgenelic<br />
eswreboda, an iseTi xalxi, vinc<br />
ambavs miutanda da dagegmes kidec,<br />
rogor unda ganadgurebuliyo es<br />
Zala. mas miugzavnes biznesmenebi,<br />
romlebic dahpirdnen, rom garkveul<br />
Tanxebs Seitandnen. Tavdapirvelad<br />
nawilma Seitana kidec<br />
fuli da paatam xalxis daqiraveba<br />
daiwyo. magaliTad, Cems sofelSi,<br />
tibaanSi, roca „nacionalebs” zeo-<br />
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bis periodSi 10 daqiravebuli<br />
koordinatori hyavdaT, paatas 30<br />
hyavda. es rom movismine, vifiqre,<br />
rom aucileblad gaimarjvebs-meTqi,<br />
radgan arCevnebis mosagebad<br />
didi mniSvneloba aqvs fuls. Tvis<br />
bolos, roca am xalxisTvis mas<br />
fuli unda gadaeca, aRmoCnda, rom<br />
biznesmenebi Sepirebuli dafinansebiT<br />
gaqrnen.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
_ imitom, rom „susi” kargad<br />
moemzada paata burWulaZis gasanadgureblad.<br />
burWulaZe forsma-<br />
JorSi Cavarda. xalxma yvirili<br />
daiwyo, _ es vin aris, matyuara,<br />
Cven mogvatyua da xalxs ras uzamso?!<br />
paata namdvilad ar aris<br />
matyuara, is Zalian wesieri adamiania,<br />
magram politikurad gamoucdeli<br />
iyo da caitnotSi aRmoa-<br />
Cines. swored am dros daukavSirda<br />
mas „girCi”. es „svla” iyo biZinas<br />
gegmis erT-erTi nawili. „girCi” am<br />
xalxis finansebis gastumrebas<br />
sTavazobda. „girCi”, realurad,<br />
kublaSvilis ideologiazea awyobili,<br />
is aris am partiis realuri<br />
xelmZRvanelic, saxec da aman gamoiwvia<br />
xalxis gaRizianeba. Sedegad,<br />
paatas reitingi 20%-dan 10-<br />
sa da 8-ze daeca, magram is, am procentiT,<br />
mainc moxvdeboda parlamentSi,<br />
rac biZina ivaniSvilis gegmebSi<br />
ar Sedioda da „girCi”, romelic<br />
paatas gverdiT unda yofiliyo,<br />
tovebs mas. 16 olqSi gadioda<br />
„girCi” da misma kandidatebma<br />
Tqves, rom arCevnebze ar gavidodnen.<br />
mainteresebs, 16 olqi rom<br />
CamoeWraT „ocnebisTvis”, anu rac<br />
„girCs” gaukeTes, is xom „nacionalebis”<br />
xmebamde Camovidoda? amiT<br />
imis Tqma minda, rom nebismieri<br />
partiisTvis es iqneboda katastrofa.<br />
Semdeg isic Zalian gamikvirda,<br />
paatam samnaxevari procenti<br />
rom aiRo da mainc kvalificiur<br />
partiad dafiqsirda, radgan, Cemi<br />
azriT, misi ganadgureba dakveTili<br />
iyo.<br />
paata burWulaZe, vfiqrob, gamovida<br />
am Sokidan da mixvda, biZinam<br />
rac gaukeTa. zog-zogierTiviT ar<br />
gaiqca politikidan da ganacxada,<br />
rom ibrZolebs, rac Zalian kargia.<br />
diax, visac azrovneba SeuZlia mixvdeba,<br />
rom paata burWulaZe, rogorc<br />
fexburTis burTs aTamaSeben,<br />
ivaniSvilma da „susma” ise aTamaSes<br />
da arc imas gamovricxav, rom<br />
am TamaSSi „nacmoZraobamac” miiRo<br />
monawileoba, raTa es axali da sufTa<br />
Zala, romelsac xalxi aucileblad<br />
gahyveboda, bolomde gaenadgurebinaT.<br />
kublaSvilebi iyvnen<br />
saqarTvelos damaqcevrebi da<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, paatas gauer-<br />
Tianes is xalxi, romelic yvelaze<br />
miuRebeli iyo sazogadoebisTvis.<br />
_ masTan is adamianebic xom<br />
iyvnen, romlebic sazogadoebisTvis<br />
miuReblebi ar brZandebod-<br />
nen, magram mere maTac miatoves<br />
partia. es ratomRa moxda?<br />
_ xaTuna lagaziZe Cemi megobaria,<br />
kargi urTierToba maqvs, magram<br />
vfiqrob, rom man araswori TamaSi<br />
iTamaSa. amjerad mxolod amas vityvi<br />
da sxvas _ arafers. metreveli<br />
Rirseuli kacia da imitom wavida,<br />
rom gaerTianeba moxda. Sei-<br />
Zleba, xaTunac imitom wavida, magram<br />
isic rom metreveliviT wasuliyo,<br />
eTqva, rom „girCTan” miuRebelia<br />
TanamSromloba, aucileblad<br />
masac gavugebdi, magram xa-<br />
Tunas gancxadeba, rom is bolomde<br />
ibrZolebda, raTa paata ar Sesuliyo<br />
parlamentSi, bevr rames<br />
mafiqrebinebs. magaliTad, imas,<br />
rom aseT Wkvian adamians ara mgonia,<br />
TavisiT gaekeTebina es. biZina<br />
ivaniSvilma aseve udidesi dartyma<br />
miayena irakli alasanias da,<br />
faqtobrivad, mTlianad gaanadgura<br />
igi.<br />
_ es rogorRa SeZlo?<br />
_ yvelaze mimzidveli politikuri<br />
Zala Cemnairad _ prodasavlurad<br />
moazrovne xalxisTvis, iyo<br />
alasania da is aucileblad miiRebda<br />
xmebis, minimum, 8-10%-s.<br />
roca biZinam pirvelad dainaxa,<br />
rom alasania Zalian Zlieri figura<br />
iyo da mas finansuradac ver<br />
CaZiravda, radgan amerikis SeerTebuli<br />
Statebi, dasavleTi fiqrobdnen,<br />
rom misnairi lideri qveynisTvis<br />
saWiro iyo, „susis” daxmarebiT<br />
swored misi ojaxis wevrs<br />
daartya. yvelas axsovs, ra kadrebi<br />
atvirTes internetSi. miuxedavad<br />
amisa, sazogadoeba alasanias<br />
gverdiT dadga imitom, rom es iyo<br />
sibinZure. biZina amas ar elodeboda,<br />
is am kadrebisgan eloda sazogadoebis<br />
iseTive Soks, rogoric<br />
cixis kadrebis gamomzeurebis<br />
Semdeg moxda. amjerad xalxma es<br />
yvelaferi aRar daijera da Tqva,<br />
erTxel movida es kaci am kadrebiT<br />
da meored msgavsad veRar movao.<br />
zaza xatiaSvili:<br />
`ivaniSvilma<br />
mSvidi arCevnebi<br />
Caatara da<br />
mSvidad `damarxa~<br />
politikuri<br />
speqtri!~<br />
`advokati mamuka nozaZe iyrida kenWs gorSi da<br />
man miTxra, rom 150 yalbi piradoba iyo<br />
darigebuli. midioda es xalxi ubnebze da xmas<br />
aZlevdao. me did pativs vcem mamuka nozaZes, is<br />
marTali adamiania da vici, tyuils ar ityvis.<br />
yalb piradobebs iyenebdnen adeiSvilis,<br />
saakaSvilisa da SevardnaZis drosac, yalbi<br />
piradobebiT `karuselebs~ atrialebdnen, anu es<br />
saqarTvelos ubedureba iyo da am arCevnebSi<br />
gaormagebuli wesiT gamoiyenes. es arCevnebi<br />
garegnulad yvelaze mSvidi iyo, Torem...<br />
ivaniSvili Zalian eSmaki kacia, man dainaxa, rom<br />
xalxi gamwardeboda, rom gaeyalbebina, an<br />
siwynare ar yofiliyo, amitom man mSvidi<br />
arCevnebi Caatara da mSvidad `damarxa~<br />
politikuri speqtri. Tumca sadac icoda, rom<br />
gauWirdeboda, iq darbevac moxda~<br />
alasania aseve Zalian vaJkacurad<br />
moiqca, roca Tavdacvis ministroba<br />
daTmo da gverdiT daudga udanaSaulod<br />
dapatimrebul Tavis<br />
xalxs e. w. kabelebis saqmeze. es<br />
Jesti sazogadoebis TvalSi pozitivi<br />
iyo. amas ar gaakeTebda aTidan<br />
rva politikosi, alasaniam ki<br />
gaakeTa da misi aRzevebac daiwyo.<br />
reitingebiT alasania parlamentSi<br />
marTlac Sedioda da mas hyavs<br />
Zalian Zlieri, „ocnebaze” bevrad<br />
Zlieri gundi _ TiTqmis yvela<br />
politikis varskvlavi iyo. ivaniSvilma<br />
es rom dainaxa, aqeT-iqiT<br />
sirbili da Sexvedrebi daiwyo, sadac<br />
Tavdapirvelad lanZRavda da<br />
anadgurebda usufaSvilsa da alasanias.<br />
bolos, rogorRac mixvda,<br />
an miaxvedres, rom misi es voiaJebi<br />
„qarTuli ocnebisTvis” damangreveli<br />
iyo da politika Secvala. bi-<br />
Zina ivaniSvils, rogorc vici, Zalian<br />
Zlieri piarjgufebi hyavda<br />
Camoyvanili. swored am jgufebis<br />
rCeviT gaakeTa saintereso „svla”.<br />
radgan, Tavis droze, alasania misi<br />
partniori iyo, savaraudo prezidentobis<br />
kandidati da biZinam<br />
iqac gadaagdo. mas rom eTqva, is me<br />
axla „viyideo”, xalxs SeiZleboda,<br />
ar daejerebina, amitom, arCevnebamde<br />
4 dRiT adre, man uceb Secvala<br />
ritorika alasaniasTan mimarTebiT<br />
da ganacxada, rom alasania<br />
aris sakmaod Zlieri politikosi<br />
da Cemi informaciiT, „demokratebi”<br />
meore adgilze gadiano. alasania<br />
Zalian Zlieri politikosia,<br />
magram Tu amiT motyuvdeboda, namdvilad<br />
ar megona. ivaniSvilma 10-<br />
ianSi gaiara da 100-ianSi gaartya.<br />
alasania ver mixvda eSmakobas da<br />
gancxadeba ar gaakeTa, rac amis<br />
mere unda gaekeTebina.<br />
_ ra unda eTqva alasanias?<br />
_ mas unda eTqva, rom biZina<br />
aris mtarvali da mteri sazogadoebis,<br />
anu rasac igi ambobda,<br />
roca gadadga; rom is aris prorusuli<br />
Zala da xalxo, ar misceT<br />
xma prorusul Zalas. amis nacvlad,<br />
alasaniam Tqva, rom ivaniSvilma<br />
dainaxa Cveni realuri Zalao.<br />
amis mere misi gundic iwyebs<br />
sxva ritorikaSi saubars ivaniSvilTan<br />
mimarTebiT. iraklis realurad<br />
hyavda, daaxloebiT, 4-dan<br />
5%-mde mxardamWeri. minimum, amdenive<br />
neitraluri mxardamWeric<br />
hyavda, romelic unda misuliyo da<br />
alasaniasTvis mieca xma, radgan<br />
isini daupirispirdnen ivaniSvils,<br />
magram am neitralur amomrCevels<br />
STabeWdileba Seeqmna, rom alasania<br />
ivaniSvilTan garigda. is gadalaxavs<br />
zRvars, Seva parlamentSi,<br />
magram ivaniSvilTan garigebis gamo,<br />
amitom es xalxi an aRar wavida<br />
arCevnebze, andac alasanias aRar<br />
misca xma. ar megona, alasania Tu<br />
ver mixvdeboda, ivaniSvili rasac<br />
upirebda da am sieSmakes Taviseburad<br />
ar daupirispirdeboda. alasania<br />
ivaniSvilis satyuaras wamoego,<br />
romelic iyo daqiravebuli<br />
piarmenejerebis rCevis Sedegi da<br />
aRmoCnda kidevac gareT.<br />
_ alasanias partiis daSlasac<br />
ivaniSvils abralebT?<br />
_ ukve cxadia, rom „qarTuli<br />
ocneba” misi partiis wevrebTan<br />
zurgs ukan awarmoebda molaparakebebs.<br />
roca gemi iZireba, wesieri<br />
kapitani gemSi rCeba. es politikosebi<br />
Tu wesierebi iyvnen, biZinas<br />
gemSi ase uceb ver gadaxtebodnen.<br />
Cemi azriT, vinc alasanias partia-<br />
Si darCeba, mxolod is aRmoCndeba<br />
mamuka nozaZe<br />
4 N37(<strong>168</strong>) 18.10-24.10.2016 w.
wesieri politikosi am gundSi da<br />
isini ar iyvnen garigebaSi ivaniSvilTan.<br />
romlebic wavlen, sazogadoebaSi<br />
Zalian uweso adamianebis<br />
statusi eqnebaT. diax, ivaniSvilma<br />
alasanias partia dauSala. roca<br />
mixvda, rom ivaniSvilma moatyua,<br />
politikidan wasvlaze miiRo gadawyvetileba.<br />
alasania patara bavSviviT<br />
motyuvda.<br />
_ „leiboristebis” SemTxvevSi<br />
ra moxda? maT sakmaod bevri mx-<br />
ardamWeri hyavdaT da yvela<br />
fiqrobda, rom isini aucileblad<br />
Sevidodnen parlamentSi. maTi<br />
arSesvlac sakanonmdeblo uwyeba-<br />
Si ivaniSvilis daqiravebuli pi-<br />
armenejerebis bralia?<br />
_ alasaniasTan erTad „leiboristebi”<br />
warmoadgens im Zalas,<br />
romelic ar gaurigda xelisuflebas.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, leiboristuli<br />
partiac" erT-erTi ganadgurebis<br />
samizne aRmoCnda.<br />
arCevnebis win Salva naTelaSvili<br />
Zalian gawonasworebul kampanias<br />
awarmoebda. is aris qarTul politikur<br />
sivrceSi erT-erTi yvelaze<br />
gamorCeuli lideri, moswons es<br />
vinmes, Tu - ara. ubedureba mxolod<br />
is aris, rom meore "Salva<br />
naTelaSvili" ver ipova Tavis partiaSi.<br />
mas rom hyavdes meore<br />
"naTelaSvili", an adamiani politikosobis<br />
rangiT Tavisi naxevari<br />
mainc, rogorc alasanias hyavda,<br />
ufro meti mxardaWera eqneboda.<br />
miuxedavad amisa, is parlamentSi<br />
aucileblad unda Sesuliyo, radgan<br />
xalxma ase gadawyvita. Cemi<br />
qaliSvili, meri xatiaSvili, meubneboda,<br />
_ me rom 18 wlis viyo, Salvas<br />
mivcemdi xmas, me Sen ggavar da<br />
Senc mas mieci xmao. avuxseni, rom<br />
aravis vaZlev xmas imitom, rom<br />
Zalian cudi situacia iyo. biZinam<br />
iseTi rame gaakeTa, rom verc erTi<br />
ver gadalaxavs „nacmoZraobisa” da<br />
mis meti, aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
arCevnebze ar waval-meTqi. me da<br />
Cemi coli arCevnebze ar wavediT<br />
imitom, rom azri ar hqonda, mainc<br />
igive Sedegi dadgeboda, rac bi-<br />
Zinas hqonda Cafiqrebuli.<br />
_ naTelaSvilTan mimarTebiT<br />
ra gaakeTa, kargad amixseniT.<br />
_ biZinas Salva ar uyvars, arc<br />
moswons, radgan, rogorc giTxariT,<br />
is aris Camoyalibebuli, ma-<br />
Rali rangis politikosi. biZinam<br />
roca dainaxa, rom naTelaSvili mainc<br />
Sedioda parlamentSi, piradad<br />
daiwyo „Savi piaris” agoreba. yvela<br />
Tavis gamosvlaSi mas „nacionals”<br />
eZaxda da ambobda, TiTqos<br />
is aris maRali donis korumpirebuli,<br />
_ mTavrobaSi ar iyo, magram<br />
gamdidrdao. es Zalian samarcxvino<br />
ram Tqva biZinam da Tavadac ver<br />
mixvda. aRiara, rom misi gundis<br />
wevrebi da TviTonac, mTavrobaSi<br />
rom iyvnen, gamdidrdnen, anu<br />
mTavrobaSi adamianebi mdidrdebian.<br />
aqedan gamomdinare, naTelaSvilis<br />
misamarTiT naTqvami es fraza<br />
qarTvelma amomrCevelma ar<br />
daijera. ivaniSvilma mainc rom<br />
veraferi gaakeTa, kidev ufro samarcxvinod<br />
moiqca da naTelaSvilis<br />
yofili gundis wevri _ SatberaSvili<br />
CarTo mis CasaZirad.<br />
darwmunebuli var, SatberaSvili<br />
TavisiT ar mividoda naTelaSvilis<br />
saxlTan bazaleTSi. merab metreveli<br />
imitom aris Rirseuli<br />
kaci, rom „paata burWulaZidan” wamovida<br />
da mxolod es Tqva, _<br />
CemTvis miuRebeliao. igive unda<br />
gaekeTebina „memarcxene alianss”.<br />
eTqvaT, Salva miuRebelia CvenTviso<br />
da wamosuliyvnen, magram maT<br />
fokusebi dadges. Salva naTela-<br />
Sivili milioneri gamoiyvanes da<br />
aqcia mouwyves saxlis win. amas<br />
daemata ramiSvilis gamoxtoma... es<br />
yvelaferi, Cemi azriT, „susis”<br />
scenaris nawili iyo. mec wamovsulvar<br />
saidanRac, magram gagigiaT,<br />
gancxadeba gamekeTebinos vinmes<br />
winaaRmdeg? vinc ase iqceva,<br />
yvelasTvis arasaTanado partniorebi<br />
iqnebian da wesieri politikuri<br />
partia maT arasodes gaekareba.<br />
moRalate aris yovelTvis<br />
moRalate, Sekruli aris _<br />
Sekruli.<br />
_ e. i. ambobT, rom Salva<br />
naTelaSvilmac gadal-<br />
axa barieri da gauyal-<br />
bes?<br />
_ Salvamac gadalaxa, bur-<br />
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`paata burWulaZe roca politikaSi Semovida, es biZinasTvis<br />
da, saerTod, bevrisTvis Sokismomgvreli iyo, amitomac<br />
`kargad momzadebuli~ Sexvda `susi~. burWulaZem prezentacia<br />
Caatara, romelzec mimiwvia da veswrebodi. unda yofiliyo<br />
fondis prezentacia, magram movismine politikuri partiis<br />
prezentacia. ra Tqma unda, iq, albaT, `susis~<br />
warmomadgenelic eswreboda, an iseTi xalxi, vinc ambavs<br />
miutanda da dagegmes kidec, rogor unda ganadgurebuliyo<br />
es Zala. mas miugzavnes biznesmenebi, romlebic dahpirdnen,<br />
rom garkveul Tanxebs Seitandnen. Tavdapirvelad nawilma<br />
Seitana kidec fuli da paatam xalxis daqiraveba daiwyo.<br />
magaliTad, Cems sofelSi, tibaanSi, roca `nacionalebs~<br />
zeobis periodSi 10 daqiravebuli koordinatori hyavdaT,<br />
paatas 30 hyavda. es rom movismine, vifiqre, rom<br />
aucileblad gaimarjvebs-meTqi, radgan arCevnebis mosagebad<br />
didi mniSvneloba aqvs fuls. Tvis bolos, roca am<br />
xalxisTvis mas fuli unda gadaeca, aRmoCnda, rom<br />
biznesmenebi Sepirebuli dafinansebiT gaqrnen~<br />
nino burjanaZe<br />
`leiboristuli partiac" erT-erTi<br />
ganadgurebis samizne aRmoCnda. arCevnebis win<br />
Salva naTelaSvili Zalian gawonasworebul<br />
kampanias awarmoebda. is aris qarTul<br />
politikur sivrceSi erT-erTi yvelaze<br />
gamorCeuli lideri, moswons es vinmes, Tu -<br />
ara. ubedureba mxolod is aris, rom meore<br />
"Salva naTelaSvili" ver ipova Tavis partiaSi.<br />
mas rom hyavdes meore "naTelaSvili", an<br />
adamiani politikosobis rangiT Tavisi<br />
naxevari mainc, rogorc alasanias hyavda,<br />
ufro meti mxardaWera eqneboda. miuxedavad<br />
amisa, is parlamentSi aucileblad unda<br />
Sesuliyo, radgan xalxma ase gadawyvita~<br />
WulaZemac, nino burjanaZemac. 5-<br />
dan 7 saaTamde imdeni amomrCeveli<br />
rom misuliyo, rogorc aisaxa,<br />
ubnebze didi rigebi unda mdgariyo,<br />
rogorc es iyo diliT. Tanac,<br />
me vici, rom es rigebic specialurad<br />
Seqmnes, radgan sakmaod gaugebrad,<br />
viTom anbanis mixedviT iZaxebdnen<br />
xalxs, sinamdvileSi ki maT<br />
aferxebdnen da rigis imitacias qmnidnen.<br />
diliT ramdeni amomrCevelic<br />
mivida, imdeni fiqsirdeboda<br />
5-dan 7 saaTamde. aqedanac Cans,<br />
rom raRac moxda.<br />
li. midioda es xalxi ubnebze da<br />
xmas aZlevdao. me did pativs vcem<br />
mamuka nozaZes, is marTali adamiania<br />
da vici, tyuils ar ityvis.<br />
yalb piradobebs iyenebdnen adeiSvilis,<br />
saakaSvilisa da SevardnaZis<br />
drosac, yalbi piradobebiT „karuselebs”<br />
atrialebdnen, anu es<br />
saqarTvelos ubedureba iyo da am<br />
arCevnebSi gaormagebuli wesiT<br />
gamoiyenes. es arCevnebi garegnulad<br />
yvelaze mSvidi iyo, Torem...<br />
ivaniSvili Zalian eSmaki kacia, man<br />
dainaxa, rom xalxi gamwardeboda,<br />
rom gaeyalbebina, an siwynare ar<br />
yofiliyo, amitom man mSvidi<br />
`burjanaZem sakuTar Tavs Cautara Casatarebeli.<br />
nino aris Cemi megobari da Zalian miyvars,<br />
magram Cven sxvadasxva politikuri Sexedulebebi<br />
gvaqvs. me var mkveTrad prodasavluri, nino -<br />
mkveTrad prodasavluri ar aris. minda giTxra,<br />
rom nino burjanaZe saqarTveloSi mimaCnia<br />
premier-politikosad, magram is daabnia iman,<br />
rom man 10%-ze meti miiRo adgilobriv<br />
arCevnebze. mas iluzia gauCnda, rom igive<br />
Sedegs aiRebda, Tu biZina ivaniSvils ar<br />
daupirispirdeboda. xalxis xmebi ganawilebuli<br />
iyo ivaniSvilsa da saakaSvilze. adamianebi,<br />
romlebic ar midiodnen arCevnebze, maTi xmebi<br />
viRacas unda miezida~<br />
arCevnebi Caatara da mSvidad „damarxa”<br />
politikuri speqtri. Tumca<br />
sadac icoda, rom gauWirdeboda,<br />
iq darbevac moxda.<br />
_ nino burjanaZesac gaunadgura<br />
partia? mas ra fokusi Cautara,<br />
parlamentSi rom ver SeaR-<br />
wia?<br />
_ nino burjanaZes veraferi Cautara.<br />
burjanaZem sakuTar Tavs<br />
Cautara Casatarebeli. nino aris<br />
Cemi megobari da Zalian miyvars,<br />
magram Cven sxvadasxva politikuri<br />
Sexedulebebi gvaqvs. me var<br />
mkveTrad prodasavluri, nino _<br />
mkveTrad prodasavluri ar<br />
aris. minda giTxra, rom nino<br />
burjanaZe saqarTveloSi<br />
mimaCnia premier-politikosad,<br />
magram is daabnia<br />
iman, rom man 10%-ze<br />
meti miiRo adgilobriv<br />
arCevnebze. mas<br />
iluzia gauCnda, rom<br />
igive Sedegs aiRebda,<br />
Tu biZina ivaniSvils<br />
ar daupirispirdeboda.<br />
xalxis<br />
xmebi ganawilebuli<br />
iyo ivaniSvilsa<br />
da saakaSvilze.<br />
adamianebi,<br />
romlebic ar midiodnen<br />
arCevnebze,<br />
maTi xmebi viRacas<br />
unda miezida. nino burjanaZes is<br />
rom gaekeTebina, rasac alasania<br />
akeTebda, unda dapirispirdeboda<br />
„ocnebas”, romelic aris „nacmoZraoba<br />
2". Secdoma dauSva, es<br />
rom ar gaakeTa.<br />
aseve burjanaZis udidesi Sec-<br />
paata burWulaZe<br />
_ ra moxda?<br />
_ advokati mamuka nozaZe iyrida<br />
kenWs gorSi da man miTxra, rom<br />
150 yalbi piradoba iyo darigebu-<br />
doma iyo da alasaniasic, rom marto<br />
damtoves „murusiZeebis” winaaRmdeg<br />
brZolaSi. burjanaZes, alasanias<br />
davureke da vuTxari, _<br />
TqvenTvis xom miuRebelia murusiZe,<br />
gaverTiandeT „murusiZeebis”<br />
winaaRmdeg-meTqi. am sakiTxze Sexvedra<br />
rom gavmarTe da yvela<br />
politikuri Zala Sevkribe, iq aseve<br />
movidnen irma inaSvili, „leiboristebidan”<br />
_ giorgi gugava. anu<br />
me davukavSirdi partiebs, romlebzec<br />
vicodi, rom arCevnebis sworad<br />
warmarTvis SemTxvevaSi yvelani<br />
Sediodnen parlamentSi, magram<br />
isini ar gamomyvnen murusiZesTan<br />
brZolaSi. am adamians ki biZina icavda.<br />
irma inaSvilma, ggoniaT, 5%<br />
miiRo? man, minimum, 9-10% aiRo,<br />
magram Zlivs gadaalaxines barieri.<br />
_ murusiZesTan ubrZolvelobam<br />
ra roli iTamaSa, amiT ra Se-<br />
icvala am arCevnebis dros?<br />
_ vambobdi, rom Tu murusiZe<br />
dasWirdeboda „qarTul ocnebas”,<br />
is mas aucileblad gamoiyenebda,<br />
radgan saapelacio sasamarTloSi<br />
mas swored is ganyofileba Caabares,<br />
sadac gayalbebuli oqmebi<br />
saCivrdeba. aqamde saqme ar mivida<br />
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dRes sofel foqveSSi nivTmtkiceba,<br />
anu nouTbuqi amoiRo, xolo<br />
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nacemi r. g. ojaxma afxazi<br />
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programebs ar flob-<br />
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da, sxva piris teqnikuri daxmareba<br />
dasWirda. am mizniT r. g.-m 5000<br />
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dResac 1500 lars uxdian yovel<br />
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ore sammarTvelos ufrosi baa-<br />
rac Seexeba laSa nacvliSvilisa<br />
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ufross, miSa Tarbas Cautana. erT<br />
kviraSi r. g. isev TbilisSi gamoiZaxes,<br />
axali videomasala gada-<br />
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quCaze, qarTvelebis saxle-<br />
daavala, r. g.-s megzurma „susis” albaT, axsovT bokeria-usufaSvikiTxva<br />
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momdevno nomerSi laSa nacvliSvils<br />
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da irakli RaribaSvi-<br />
mxolod xvedeliZis misaRebSi satelefono saubrebi, romelic<br />
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ra akavSirebda mas am afeTqebasTan?<br />
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qarTveli mSvidobiani mosaxleoba<br />
isxda?<br />
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rom moskovSi mokluli oT-<br />
aucileblad daukavSirdeboda gansakuTrebul davalebaTa me-<br />
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dgilesTan ar dasruldeboda, is iT, yovel Tve, 2000 lars uxdida vinaobac daadgina, romelic miSa<br />
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_ adamianebs eSiniaT.<br />
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daSinebebis meqanizmi<br />
sososeuli TeoriiT...<br />
adamianTa didi nawili, umetesad,<br />
emorCileba saWiroebas, vidre<br />
gonierebas da esec sasjelis<br />
SiSiT, vidre zneobis dasakmayofileblad.<br />
da radgan adamianebisTvis<br />
zneobriv simSvideze metad<br />
SiSia upiratesi, „susic” im meqanizmiT<br />
udgeba amomrCevels, rac<br />
maTze Wris.<br />
arCevnebze „nacionaluri moZraobis”<br />
mxardamWerebs misvla<br />
akrZaluli aqvT. saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis<br />
samsaxuris regionulma<br />
samsaxurebma miTiTeba ioseb<br />
gogaSvilisgan ukve miiRes. kardakaris<br />
principiT adamianTa Semowmeba<br />
daiwyo. amomrCeveli, romelic<br />
xmas ar aZlevs „qarTul ocnebas”,<br />
an misi xma saeWvoa, masTan<br />
mkacri gafrTxilebiT midian da<br />
avaldebuleben, arCevnebze ar<br />
gamocxaddes.<br />
raionis gamgeblebs „susma” ukve<br />
Cautara TaTbiri, TaTbirze ki<br />
Semsruleblebs ori valdebuleba<br />
daekisraT: yvela gamgebels<br />
gadaeca sia, sadac miTiTebuli<br />
adamianebi, 30 oqtombris Semdeg,<br />
samsaxuridan unda gaaTavisuflon.<br />
gamgeblebis TaTbiris Semdeg<br />
ukve gamgeblebma TaTbirebi soflebis<br />
rwmunebulebs Cautares,<br />
soflis warmomadgenlebs ki „susidan”<br />
meore sia gadaecaT, sadac<br />
gvar-saxelebiT miTiTebulia,<br />
romeli ojaxebis misvla unda<br />
SeizRudos arCevnebze, winaaRmdeg<br />
SemTxvevaSi, romel sofelSic es<br />
davaleba ar Sesruldeba, yvela<br />
rwmunebuls ukve Cabarebuli aqvs<br />
gancxadeba samsaxuridan gan-<br />
Tavisuflebis Sesaxeb, romelsac<br />
rezoluciaRa aklia.<br />
imis SiSiT, rom samsaxurs<br />
dakargaven, rwmunebulebi yiraze<br />
unda dadgnen da es arCevnebi gansakuTrebuli<br />
sizustiT Caataron,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom Teoriulad<br />
faqtia, am arCevnebSi „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” verc erT deputats<br />
ver gaiyvans. SiSi mainc mama-<br />
ZaRlia, radgan 8 deputatis gayvana<br />
Zalauflebis safuZvlis gamoclas<br />
niSnavs.<br />
Tumca SiSis aqcia amiT ar dasrulebula.<br />
Cemi megobari X:<br />
`arCevnebze `nacionaluri moZraobis~<br />
mxardamWerebs misvla akrZaluli aqvT.<br />
saxelmwifo usafrTxoebis samsaxuris<br />
regionulma samsaxurebma miTiTeba ioseb<br />
gogaSvilisgan ukve miiRes. kardakaris<br />
principiT adamianTa Semowmeba daiwyo.<br />
amomrCeveli, romelic xmas ar aZlevs<br />
`qarTul ocnebas~, an misi xma saeWvoa, masTan<br />
mkacri gafrTxilebiT midian da<br />
avaldebuleben, arCevnebze ar gamocxaddes.<br />
raionis gamgeblebs `susma~ ukve Cautara<br />
TaTbiri, TaTbirze ki Semsruleblebs ori<br />
valdebuleba daekisraT: yvela gamgebels<br />
gadaeca sia, sadac miTiTebuli adamianebi, 30<br />
oqtombris Semdeg, samsaxuridan unda<br />
gaaTavisuflon. gamgeblebis TaTbiris Semdeg<br />
ukve gamgeblebma TaTbirebi soflebis<br />
rwmunebulebs Cautares, soflis<br />
warmomadgenlebs ki `susidan~ meore sia<br />
gadaecaT, sadac gvar-saxelebiT miTiTebulia,<br />
romeli ojaxebis misvla unda SeizRudos<br />
arCevnebze, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi, romel<br />
sofelSic es davaleba ar Sesruldeba, yvela<br />
rwmunebuls ukve Cabarebuli aqvs gancxadeba<br />
samsaxuridan ganTavisuflebis Sesaxeb,<br />
romelsac rezoluciaRa aklia.<br />
imis SiSiT, rom samsaxurs dakargaven,<br />
rwmunebulebi yiraze unda dadgnen da es<br />
arCevnebi gansakuTrebuli sizustiT Caataron,<br />
miuxedavad imisa, rom Teoriulad faqtia, am<br />
arCevnebSi `nacionaluri moZraoba~ verc erT<br />
deputats ver gaiyvans. SiSi mainc mamaZaRlia,<br />
radgan 8 deputatis gayvana Zalauflebis<br />
safuZvlis gamoclas niSnavs. Tumca SiSis<br />
aqcia amiT ar dasrulebula~<br />
_ yvelaze metad, albaT, kabalisa<br />
da iormuRalos ramdenime<br />
Temi unda SevaviwrovoT. ar eloda<br />
„susi” aseT Sedegebs. araqarTul<br />
soflebSi „nacionalurma<br />
moZraobam” ubnebze upiratesobebic<br />
ki aiRo.<br />
_ kaxeTSi sad aris es ubnebi?!<br />
_ kabalSi da iormuRaloSi.<br />
iormuRalo kidev mosalodneli<br />
iyo, magram kabali mTlad moulodneli<br />
aRmoCnda.<br />
_ rogor SeiZleba, es adamiane-<br />
bi, vTqvaT da, gaaneitraloT?!<br />
_ ganeitraleba ar sWirdebaT,<br />
unda mividnen da xma miscen „ocnebas”.<br />
_ iqneb, moityuon?<br />
_ maSin pasuxs agebs im soflis<br />
Tavi.<br />
saubari amiT davasruleT, magram,<br />
cxadia, kabalSi mosaxleoba-<br />
Si ukve dadis Wori, rom male yvela<br />
axalgazrda biWs jarSi waiyvanen,<br />
oficialurad Tanxas aRar<br />
gadaaxdevineben. ubralod, jarSi<br />
wasuls ra mouva, amas momavali<br />
uCvenebs.<br />
aki, vTqvi, SiSi mamaZaRlia-meTqi?!<br />
yvelaze metad saxelmwifoSi<br />
eTnikur umciresobebs eSiniaT...<br />
isini fiqroben, rom maTi sam-<br />
Sobloc da saxelmwifoc maTi<br />
sofelia, soflis gareT ki didi<br />
saSiSroebaa.<br />
nurasodes daafaseb fuls<br />
nurc metad, nurc naklebad, vidre<br />
igi Rirs, radgan fuli kargi<br />
msaxuria da cudi batoni...<br />
ojaxebs winasaarCevnod 150<br />
lari dauriges.<br />
arCevnebi Zalian didi Tanxa<br />
daujda „ocnebas”, amis fonze ki<br />
gabrazebulma sosom, romelic<br />
„suss” dahpirda, rom arCevnebis<br />
dasrulebis Semdeg solidur premiebs<br />
daarigebda, gabrazebulma<br />
saTiTod yvela regionis ufross<br />
gadasca:<br />
_ premia, ara ixvi?! ra gaakeTeT<br />
sapremio?! mosmeniT ver ismenT!<br />
saqmiT saqmes ver mikeTebT!<br />
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problemur sakiTxs. aqamde sakanonmdeblo<br />
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vTanamSromlobdiT am xnis<br />
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maqvs monawileoba miRebuli.<br />
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parlamentSi!~<br />
xarT. politikosad Tqveni<br />
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iyo Tu ivaniSvilis?<br />
_ politikaSi wasvla Cemi survili<br />
ar yofila. 2012 wels batonma<br />
biZinam mTxova, rom vinme<br />
SemerCia mcxeTidan. bevri ganvixileT,<br />
magram ver SevarCieT da<br />
bolos mTxova, iqneb, Sen Cadgeo.<br />
Cemi reaqcia kategoriulad<br />
uaryofiTi iyo, magram bolos<br />
mainc damiTanxma da mec es tvir-<br />
Ti aviRe. Semdeg iyo komitetis<br />
Tavmjdomaris Tanamdebobis SemoTavazeba<br />
isev batoni biZinasgan,<br />
razec Tavidanve uari vTqvi.<br />
roca televiziiT Sevityve, rom<br />
jandacvis komitetis Tavmjdomared<br />
viyavi wardgenili, pirveli<br />
rac gavakeTe, davureke baton<br />
biZinas da Sexvedra vTxove.<br />
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da sapasuxismgeblo saqmes<br />
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batoni biZina gaakvirva da<br />
dasZina, rom es iyo pirveli<br />
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viRac Tanamdebobaze uars<br />
eubneboda.<br />
_ Tqven profesiiT eqimi br-<br />
ZandebiT da es sfero TqvenTvis<br />
ucxo namdvilad ar gaxldaT.<br />
sinamdvileSi, ra iyo uaris Tq-<br />
mis mizezi?<br />
lad, batonma biZinam mi-<br />
Txra, _ miuxedavad Cveni<br />
guSindeli SeTanxmebisa,<br />
am saqmeSi sando adamiani<br />
mWirdeba da me Sen gendobio.<br />
rasakvirvelia,<br />
winaaRmdegi wavedi, magram dampirda,<br />
rom am Tanamdebobaze mxolod<br />
axal wlamde davrCebodi da<br />
Semdeg Semcvlels mominaxavda.<br />
_ arada, musirebs azri, rom<br />
SeuZlebelia, biZina ivaniSvils<br />
vinmem uari uTxras, an man<br />
gaiTvaliswinos vinmes uari...<br />
_ es ar aris simarTle. biZina<br />
ivaniSvili yvelas azrs iTvaliswinebs.<br />
me mas aT weliwadze metia,<br />
vicnob da masTan mxolod<br />
profesiul-saqmiani urTierToba<br />
ar makavSirebs. Tavdapirvelad<br />
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rogorc eqimisa da pacientis,<br />
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mxolod im pirobiT dav-<br />
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axali wlis mere batonma<br />
biZinam isev mTxova, rom misi Cemdami<br />
ndobisa da Cemi saqmisadmi<br />
erTgulebis gamo komiteti<br />
ar dametovebina.<br />
Cemi pirovnuli Tvise-<br />
`qalaq mcxeTasa da mis raionSi cezar CoCelis<br />
gubernatorobis periodSi gasxvisda 5<br />
milioni kv.m. miwa. am miwebTan dakavSirebiT<br />
interesi hqonda, ZiriTadad, CoCelis axlo<br />
wres: ojaxis wevrebs, misi gubernatorobis<br />
dros Zvel gamgeblebs, rwmunebulebsa da a. S.<br />
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gavlili 5 milionamde kv.m. miwa. marto erT<br />
dReSi gasxvisebulia milion naxevarze meti<br />
kvadratuli farTobi niCbisSi. am miwebze<br />
dRemde araferi gakeTebula, iseve rogorc<br />
araferi gakeTebula saguramos mxares.<br />
CoCelis gubernatorobis periodSi mcxeTis<br />
raioni saxnav-saTesis gareSe darCa~<br />
produqtiuli gaxldaT. Zalian<br />
bevri ram viswavle komitetis<br />
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profesionali kadrebisgan.<br />
ministri da komitetis<br />
Tavmjdomare SeTanxmebulad<br />
viRebdiT gadawyvetilebebs da<br />
swored es gaxldaT Cveni sferos<br />
warmatebis formula.<br />
_ Tqveni oponentebi Tqvens<br />
maSindel saqmianobas kritiku-<br />
lad afaseben da bralad gdeben,<br />
rom konkretulad Tqven araf-<br />
eri gagikeTebiaT.<br />
_ Cemi sakanonmdeblo muSao-<br />
cezar CoCeli<br />
ovelTao jandacvis proeqtis<br />
modificirebuli meTodis SemuSavebis<br />
mizniT. estoneTSi am<br />
modelis avtors SevxvdiT, baton<br />
meniks da vTxoveT, CvenTvis konsultacia<br />
gaewia, raTa saqarTveloSic<br />
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batonma menikma uari gviTxra im<br />
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aseTi seriozuli proeqtis ganxorcieleba<br />
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sayovelTao programis amuSaveba.<br />
batoni meniki TviTonac<br />
iyo saqarTveloSi Camosuli da<br />
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saboloo jamSi Cven mivi-<br />
ReT programa, romelmac gadaarCina<br />
Zlian bevri sicocxle. vinaidan<br />
me paralelurad mcxeTis<br />
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mxolod sayovelTao<br />
jandacvis<br />
programidan mcxeTaSi<br />
16 aTasze meti operacia<br />
dafinansda. es<br />
aris, praqtikulad,<br />
yoveli meoTxe adamiani.<br />
2012 wels<br />
mcxeTis mosaxleobis<br />
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2015-2016 wleb-<br />
Si 8 milionze<br />
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ganmavlobaSi 18-<br />
dan 20 milion<br />
laramde daixarja<br />
mcxeTis mosaxleobis<br />
Si gakeTda is, rac arasodes gakeTebula<br />
bolo 30 wlis man-<br />
Zilze.<br />
_ amboben, rom „qarTu bank-<br />
idan” winasaarCevnod gamotanil<br />
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dimitri xundaZis saarCevno kampaniisTvis<br />
da miuxedavad amxe-<br />
la danaxarjisa, meore turi<br />
mainc dainiSna. es Tanxa CagericxaT,<br />
Tu xelze mogcaT baton-<br />
ma biZina ivaniSvilma?<br />
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fantaziis nayofi da TviTonac<br />
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gamiznuli, rom Cem garSemo<br />
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mTavrobas ar moucia?<br />
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partia valdebulia, Tanxa<br />
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tri xundaZes?<br />
_ ara, ra Tqma unda! es Tanxa<br />
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aTass me rogor momcemdnen?<br />
Zalian advili gasagebia, Tu ra<br />
Tanxebi wavida mcxeTaze, imitom<br />
rom yvelaferi partiis angariSfaqturebSia<br />
aRricxuli. Segi-<br />
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ZliaT mimarToT partias da<br />
amaze dawvrilebiT gipasuxeben.<br />
Cven kanons ar varRvevT da dafarulic<br />
araferi gvaqvs. es aris<br />
oficialuri monacemebi. Tqven<br />
rom mcxeTaSi gaiaroT, moismenT<br />
imas, rom fuli CoCelma daxarja,<br />
magram ver moismenT imas, rom<br />
xundZe fuls xarjavdao.<br />
_ miwebTan agorebul skan-<br />
dalze ras ityviT, rodesac<br />
saubari iyo Tqveni deputato-<br />
bis dros gasxvisebul nakveTe-<br />
bze? gvarsac dagisaxelebT: er-<br />
Tma pirovnebam, 21 wlis biWma,<br />
gvarad isaxanaSvilma, didi rao-<br />
denobis miwa SeiZina mcxeTis ra-<br />
ionSi.<br />
_ es iyo ekonomikis saministros<br />
miwebi da man gaasxvisa igi.<br />
me mxolod gasxvisebis Semdeg<br />
Sevityve. aranairi kanondarRveva<br />
ar fiqsirdeba, vinaidan es gaxlavT<br />
pirobadebuli gasxviseba<br />
sainvesticio valdebulebiT.<br />
rodesac mosaxleobaSi am faqtma<br />
garkveuli azrTa sxvadasxvaoba<br />
gamoiwvia, me TviTon davinteresdi<br />
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Tu mesakuTrem ver Seasrula<br />
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es miwebi saxelmwifos ubrundeba.<br />
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_ es ras niSnavs?<br />
_ es imas niSnavs, rom qalaq<br />
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gasxvisda 5 milioni kv.m.<br />
miwa. am miwebTan dakavSirebiT<br />
interesi hqonda, ZiriTadad, Co-<br />
Celis axlo wres: ojaxis wevrebs,<br />
misi gubernatorobis dros Zvel<br />
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S. daaxloebiT, 6-7-kaciani jgufia.<br />
maT xelSia gavlili 5 mil-<br />
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
`es iyo ekonomikis saministros miwebi da man<br />
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rodesac mosaxleobaSi am faqtma garkveuli<br />
azrTa sxvadasxvaoba gamoiwvia, me TviTon<br />
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ferma da es valdebuleba droSi gawerilia.<br />
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ionamde kv.m. miwa. marto erT<br />
dReSi gasxvisebulia milion naxevarze<br />
meti kvadratuli farTobi<br />
niCbisSi. am miwebze dRemde<br />
araferi gakeTebula, iseve rogorc<br />
araferi gakeTebula saguramos<br />
mxares. CoCelis gubernatorobis<br />
periodSi mcxeTis raioni<br />
saxnav-saTesis gareSe darCa.<br />
_ Tqveni meuRle marTla<br />
iRebda demografiuli fondidan<br />
Tanxebs? gamoqveynda dokumentebi,<br />
saidanac viTom „demografiuli<br />
aRorZinebis fon-<br />
didan” 2 aTasi da meti Tanxaa<br />
Caricxuli Tqveni meuRlis an-<br />
gariSze. am fondis erT-erTi<br />
damfuZnebeli Tqvenc brZandeb-<br />
iT.<br />
_ Cemi meuRle ar muSaobs, is<br />
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romc muSaobdes, darRveva ar<br />
aris.<br />
_ ratom?<br />
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anazRaurebis gareSe<br />
vmuSaobdiT wlebis ganmavloba-<br />
Si. sul 3-jer Cairicxa Tanxa xelfasis<br />
saxiT da ramdenjerme me<br />
TviTon Sevitane ukan, rogorc<br />
Semowiruloba. meti xelfasi am<br />
fondidan ar gacemula. 3 wlis<br />
ganmavlobaSi fondi absoluturi<br />
qvelmoqmedebiT muSaobs<br />
da uamravi proeqti ganvaxorcieleT.<br />
Cemma meuRlem 4 wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
aiRo 2.500 lari da me<br />
piradad fondSi Sevitane 6.000<br />
lari. am Temas wevs adamianTa<br />
jgufi, romelTa ukanac dgas<br />
milionobiT kvadratuli miwebis<br />
miTviseba da uamravi korufciuli<br />
sqema. nebismier dainteresebul<br />
pirs SeuZlia daiTvalos<br />
Cemi qoneba, dasamali araferi<br />
maqvs.<br />
_ ivaniSvilma JurnalistebT-<br />
an Sexvedraze ganacxada: „me<br />
damireka dito xundaZem da<br />
mkacrad misayvedura, rac Co-<br />
CelTan mimarTebiT ganvacxade.<br />
sabolood, aRmoCnda, rom me Co-<br />
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minda, sajarod bodiSi movuxado<br />
dito xundaZes da ganvacxado,<br />
rom is Cemi favoriti depu-<br />
tatia ara mxolod mcxeTaSi,<br />
aramed mTel politikur gund-<br />
Si”. batono dito, marTla us-<br />
ayvedureT biZina ivaniSvils?<br />
_ me TviTon davukavSirdi, imitom<br />
rom ver gavige, ra Tqva batonma<br />
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gavrkveuliyavi. roca davureke,<br />
pirveli kiTxva davusvi<br />
is, rom icnobda Tu ara cezar<br />
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_ vin aris CoCelio? da Cemi<br />
sayveduri iyo ukve iseTi, rogoric<br />
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_ da rogori iyo?<br />
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rom CoCels ar icnobda, razedac<br />
vkiTxe, _ rom Tu ar icnobdiT,<br />
rogor isaubreT adamianze<br />
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rodesac misi „warmateba”<br />
mTelma qveyanam icis-meTqi? mere<br />
miTxra, _ eg is ar aris, svaneTSi<br />
rom deputatad davayeneTo? imitom,<br />
rom enuqiZec yofili gubernatori<br />
gaxldaT warsulSi.<br />
maSin mivxvdi, rom baton biZinas,<br />
ubralod, gvari aeria. isic adamiania,<br />
SeeSala. miTxra, _ Zalian<br />
didi madloba, rom Sematyobine<br />
da sazogadoeba SecdomaSi ar<br />
Seviyvaneo. meore dRes JurnalistebTan<br />
Sexvedraze ganacxada,<br />
rom erTi kandidatis gvari meoreSi<br />
aeria. batoni biZinas yvelaze<br />
didi Rirseba is aris, rom<br />
ar erideba bodiSis moxda, iseve<br />
rogorc ar erideba Riad gabrazeba,<br />
Tundac, mis uaxloes megobarze.<br />
simarTle giTxraT, mec<br />
msurs, bodiSi movuxado mas,<br />
Zalian gabrazebuli da dabneuli<br />
viyavi. Cven Soris aseTi saubari<br />
arasodes yofila. politikiT<br />
ar dawyebula Cveni urTier-<br />
Toba da megobroba da arc politikiT<br />
dasruldeba. biZina ivaniSvili<br />
CemTvis is pirovnebaa, romelic<br />
yvelaferze maRla dgas.<br />
_ batono dimitri, daniS-<br />
nulia meore turi, rogoria<br />
Tqveni prognozi?<br />
_ Cems oponentTan mimarTebiT<br />
vityvi erTs, rom is, rac ar iyideba<br />
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ram, risi fulze gayidvac ar<br />
SeiZleba. es daamtkica mcxeTam<br />
da mcxeTis raionma. mwams, rom<br />
devnilebic SiSs gadalaxaven. azerbaijanuli<br />
dasaxleba, sxvaTa<br />
Soris, Zalian aqtiuri iyo da<br />
vfiqrob, meore turSi xalxi metad<br />
mobilizebuli iqneba. bolos,<br />
minda ganvacxado: dRes saarCevnod<br />
kvlav CoCelis mxardam-<br />
Werebisgan musirebs azri, rom<br />
xundaZe siaSia da maJoritar kandidatad<br />
romc ver gavides, siiT<br />
mainc gasulia. ase rom, kargi<br />
iqneba, Tu mcxeTas eyoleba ori<br />
deputati CoCelisa da xundaZis<br />
saxiTo. CemTvis es yovlad dauSvebelia.<br />
rogorc CoCeli cdilobs<br />
Cems Canacvlebas, aseve Seecdeba<br />
„qarTuli ocnebis” Canacvlebas<br />
„nacmoZraobis” korumpirebuli<br />
saxeebiT.<br />
Tuki mcxeTaSi gauTvaliswinebeli<br />
ram moxda, ar aris gamoricxuli,<br />
Cems politikur momavals<br />
gadavxedo da davfiqrde,<br />
miRirs Tu ara parlamentSi Sesvla,<br />
Tuki Cems qalaqsa da raions<br />
kvlav „nacebi” daepatronebian?!<br />
_ anu parlamentSi Tqvens<br />
Sesvlas kiTxvis niSnis qveS<br />
daay<br />
ayenebT?<br />
_ aucileblad!<br />
`biZina ivaniSvili yvelas azrs iTvaliswinebs. me mas aT weliwadze metia,<br />
vicnob da masTan mxolod profesiul-saqmiani urTierToba ar<br />
makavSirebs. Tavdapirvelad Cveni urTierToba daiwyo, rogorc eqimisa da<br />
pacientis, romelic droTa ganmavlobaSi megobrobaSi gadaizarda. swored<br />
aqedan gamomdinare iyo, rom rodesac mTxova, jandacvis komitetis<br />
Tavmjdomare vyofiliyavi, mxolod im pirobiT davTanxmdi, rom<br />
Tanamdebobaze wlis bolomde davrCebodi. magram axali wlis mere<br />
batonma biZinam isev mTxova, rom misi Cemdami ndobisa da Cemi saqmisadmi<br />
erTgulebis gamo komiteti ar dametovebina. Cemi pirovnuli Tvisebidan<br />
gamomdinare, me an vakeTeb saqmes, an saerTod xels ar vkideb, aqedan<br />
gamomdinare, uari aRar miTqvams. me da daviT sergeenkos ramdenimewliani<br />
megobroba gvakavSirebs. Tanamdebobrivadac kargi urTierToba<br />
Camogviyalibda da erTad, SeTanxmebulad vwyvetdiT Zalian bevr<br />
problemur sakiTxs. aqamde sakanonmdeblo sferoSi muSaoba CemTvis ucxo<br />
iyo, Tumca, vfiqrob, rom komitetis muSaoba produqtiuli gaxldaT.<br />
Zalian bevri ram viswavle komitetis wevrebisgan da aparatSi<br />
dakompleqtebuli profesionali kadrebisgan. ministri da komitetis<br />
Tavmjdomare SeTanxmebulad viRebdiT gadawyvetilebebs da swored es<br />
gaxldaT Cveni sferos warmatebis formula~<br />
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daviT sergeenko<br />
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„iyo mwvave konfliqti da omi.<br />
axla me mgonia, rom ukve aRar<br />
aris samxedro moqmedebebi, ar<br />
aris msxvili incidentebi konfliqtis<br />
zonaSi, magram es arasakmarisia.<br />
situacia mTlad normaluri<br />
ar aris. rodesac engurs<br />
vkveT, vxedav, rom iq, raRacnairi,<br />
aranormaluri situaciaa.<br />
afxazeTi, garkveulwilad, izolaciaSi<br />
imyofeba. mgonia, rom<br />
afxazebi Cveni axlobeli eria,<br />
isini evropelebi arian, evropas<br />
ekuTvnian. yvelaferi unda gakeTdes<br />
evropasTan ufro cocxali<br />
urTierTobebis aRsadgenad. Cven<br />
viciT, rom es politikuri problemaa.<br />
aq yvelam unda SevitanoT<br />
wvlili, rom ufro normalur<br />
situaciaze gadavideT”, _ acxadebs<br />
bodeni. igi miiCnevs, rom<br />
afxazeTis izolaciis Sesacvlelad<br />
evropam gzebi unda gaxsnas.<br />
am Temaze „qronika+”-s eqsperti<br />
irakli cqitiSvili esaubre-<br />
ba:<br />
_ diter bodeni bolo wlebis<br />
ganmavlobaSi afxazebs evropul<br />
sazogadoebasTan Zalian did advokatirebas<br />
uwevs. es mis yvela<br />
saqmianobaSi gamoCnda, rasac ki<br />
eweoda. Cven gvaxsovs, rom wina<br />
xelisuflebam is, erTi periodi,<br />
persona non-gratadac ki gamoacxada,<br />
radgan Zalian cdilobda,<br />
afxazuri poziciebi gaeZlierebi-<br />
10<br />
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ra axali gzavnilebiT estumra<br />
gaeros generaluri mdivnis<br />
gaeros generaluri mdivnis<br />
gela mamulaSvili<br />
yofili specialuri warmomad-<br />
599 45 50 26<br />
geneli saqarTveloSi, diter<br />
bodeni (romelic soxumSi imyofe-<br />
boda), acxadebs, rom „afxazebi evropelebi arian da yvelaferi<br />
unda gakeTdes evropasTan ufro cocxali urTierTobebis aR-<br />
sadgenad”. rogorc bodenma „exo kavkazasTan” interviuSi Tqva,<br />
is afxazeTSi germanuli fondis „berghofis” miwveviT<br />
biografiul salonSi monawileobis mizniT Cavida da afxaze-<br />
Tis de faqto xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebsac Sexvda.<br />
irakli cqitiSvili:<br />
599 45 50 26<br />
na da sul sxva mimarTuleba mieca<br />
qarTul-afxazuri urTierTobebisTvis.<br />
faqtobrivad, es bolo<br />
gancxadeba mTeli im procesis<br />
gagrZelebaa, romelsac diter<br />
bodeni afxazur konfliqtTan mimarTebiT<br />
eweoda. me piradad es<br />
ar gamkvirvebia. ubralod, kidev<br />
erTxel dadasturda is, Tu ratom<br />
miiCneva sazogadoebis garkveul<br />
nawilSi diter bodeni afxazuri<br />
separatizmis erT-erT<br />
apologetad.<br />
_ es bolo gzavnili konkret-<br />
ulad ras iTvaliswinebs?<br />
_ misi gzavnili Semdegnairad<br />
ikiTxeba: rom afxazebs evropul<br />
sazogadoebaSi sakuTari Tavis<br />
warmosaCenad xeli unda Seewyos;<br />
rom es sxvadasxva mimarTulebiT<br />
unda moxdes. magaliTad: axla<br />
afxazebis winaSe problema dgas,<br />
rom TavianTi pasportebiT evropaSi<br />
ver xvdebian. vfiqrob, swored<br />
am Temaze iyo saubari. yvela<br />
Sexvedraze, maT Soris, JenevaSic,<br />
afxazuri mxare am sakiTxs wevs,<br />
rom afxazebs evropasa da aSS-Si<br />
mogzaurobisTvis sirTuleebi<br />
eqmnebaT, miuxedavad imisa, rom<br />
maT rusuli pasportebi aqvT. magram<br />
soxumSi gacemul pasporteb-<br />
Si maT vizebs ar urtyamen. amitom<br />
darwmunebuli var, swored<br />
amas exeboda diter bodenis gancxadeba,<br />
rom evropulma qveynebma<br />
am vizebTan dakavSirebiT<br />
`iyo mwvave konfliqti da omi. axla me<br />
mgonia, rom ukve aRar aris samxedro<br />
moqmedebebi, ar aris msxvili incidentebi<br />
konfliqtis zonaSi, magram es<br />
arasakmarisia. situacia mTlad<br />
normaluri ar aris. rodesac engurs<br />
vkveT, vxedav, rom iq, raRacnairi,<br />
aranormaluri situaciaa. afxazeTi,<br />
garkveulwilad, izolaciaSi imyofeba.<br />
mgonia, rom afxazebi Cveni axlobeli<br />
eria, isini evropelebi arian, evropas<br />
ekuTvnian. yvelaferi unda gakeTdes<br />
evropasTan ufro cocxali<br />
urTierTobebis aRsadgenad. Cven viciT,<br />
rom es politikuri problemaa. aq yvelam<br />
unda SevitanoT wvlili, rom ufro<br />
normalur situaciaze gadavideT~<br />
`saqarTvelos<br />
delegaciam<br />
kveri daukra<br />
ruseTis<br />
politikas~<br />
ufro damTmobi politika unda<br />
gaataron. meore: vfiqrob, am<br />
gancxadebiT bodeni evropas mouwodebs,<br />
afxazebis mimarT ufro<br />
metad gamgebi gaxdnen; ufro<br />
metad damTmobni iyvnen da xeli<br />
ar SeuSalon evropul gamofeneb-<br />
Si maT monawileobas da aqtivobebs.<br />
bodenis gancxadebis<br />
Sinaarsi swored ase ikiTxeba.<br />
_ magram misi pozicia ramde-<br />
nad gamomdinareobs okupaciis<br />
statusis problemidan?<br />
_ Cemi da, albaT, sazogadoebis<br />
udidesi nawilis pozicia is<br />
aris, rom yvela urTierToba,<br />
romelsac afxazuri mxare saer-<br />
TaSoriso sazogadoebasTan ganaxorcielebs<br />
(es evropa iqneba Tu<br />
aSS) saqarTvelos gavliT unda<br />
moxdes. swored es pozicia ukavia<br />
saqarTvelos bolo wlebia, am<br />
konfliqtebTan mimarTebiT.<br />
yvela is moqmedeba, romelsac<br />
Cven vaxorcielebT da adrec<br />
xorcieldeboda (es iyo lesepases<br />
dokumentebTan dakavSirebiT),<br />
swored imitom keTdeboda, rom<br />
afxazebisTvis fanjara qarTuli<br />
saxelmwifo yofiliyo, _ fanjara<br />
evropasa da amerikaSi.<br />
magram afxazebi yvelanairad<br />
cdiloben, gverdi auaron qarTvelebTan<br />
urTierTobas. miuxedavad<br />
imisa, rom TavianTi pasportebiT<br />
arsad uSveben da yvelgan<br />
mxolod rusuli pasportebiT<br />
dadian, mainc maTTvis ufro prioritetulia,<br />
swored saqarTvelos<br />
gverdis avliT moxvdnen evropaSi,<br />
raTa dafiqsirdes, rom<br />
isini saqarTvelos nawili ar arian.<br />
Cveni politika piriqiTaa: rogorme<br />
yvelgan da yovelTvis unda<br />
davafiqsiroT, rom afxazebi<br />
saqarTvelos nawili arian.<br />
es ori mimarTuleba, Cveni da<br />
afxazebis, erTmaneTis sawinaaRmdegoa<br />
da aq saerTo ena ver gamoinaxa.<br />
ubralod, kargia, rom<br />
evropuli politika araRiarebis<br />
politikaa. es Cvens mimarTulebas<br />
emTxveva, Tundac, am savizo problemebiT<br />
(aseve sxva problemebiT,<br />
romlebic afxazebs evropaSi mogzaurobiT<br />
eqmnebaT), isini xels<br />
uwyoben, rom afxazebma saqarTvelos<br />
mxares gamoixedon. meore<br />
mxriv, es maTSi garkveul agresiulobas<br />
warmoqmnis.<br />
amitom es iseTi sakiTxi da<br />
problemaa, sadac, albaT, saerTo<br />
ver gamoinaxeba. am mimarTulebiT<br />
Cveni nebismieri daTmoba, garkveulwilad,<br />
maTi aRiarebis tolfasi<br />
iqneba, xolo maTgan nebismieri<br />
daTmoba da kavSirebi TbilisTan<br />
imis aRiareba iqneba, rom isini<br />
cnoben Tbilisis gavlenas afxazeTze.<br />
ase rom, es ori urTierTsawinaaRmdego<br />
sakiTxi Cven Soris<br />
yovelTvis idgeba.<br />
_ Tavad bodeni romeli evro-<br />
puli wreebis warmomadgenelia<br />
da ra kavSirebi aqvs TbilisTan<br />
da soxumTan?<br />
_ diter bodenis moqmedebebi<br />
ufro imaze metyvelebs, rom is<br />
daaxloebulia wreebTan, romlebzec<br />
seriozuli rusuli gavlenaa.<br />
es politika, rom afxazebi<br />
daukavSiron, gaacnon evropul<br />
sazogadoebas, swored rusuli<br />
politikis gagrZelebaa.<br />
iseve, rogorc ruseTi Jenevis<br />
molaparakebebze mudmivad iTx-<br />
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diter bodeni Tbilissa da soxums?<br />
ovs, rom afxazebs mieceT aSS-s<br />
vizebi imisTvis, rom isini wardgnen<br />
gaeros tribunaze da a. S. amitom<br />
diter bodenis mier SemoTavazebuli<br />
politika rusul gzavnilebTan<br />
garkveul Tanxvedra-<br />
Sia. Tan germanul sazogadoebaSi<br />
rusuli gavlena sakmaod seriozulia.<br />
vfiqrob, rom bodeni swored<br />
am jgufis warmomadgenelia.<br />
_ soxumsa da TbilisSi is,<br />
ZiriTadad, romel wreebs eyrd-<br />
noba?<br />
_ me ar vici, is ra wreebs eyrdnoba<br />
Tbilissa da soxumSi,<br />
rasakvirvelia, is iqaur de faqto<br />
xelmZRvanelobasTan urTier-<br />
Tobs.<br />
_ afxazebisTvis aSS-s vizebi<br />
axseneT, ramdenad seriozulia<br />
amaze aqcentis gakeTeba?<br />
_ saubaria ara afxazur<br />
pasportSi aSS-s vizebis Cartymaze,<br />
aramed aqcenti imazea, rom<br />
maT vizebs, isev da isev, rusul<br />
pasportebSi ar aZleven. im<br />
rusul pasportebSi, romlebic<br />
afxazeTis teritoriaze aris<br />
gacemuli. afxazebi swored am<br />
pasportebSi iTxoven, rom aSS-s<br />
vizebi Caurtyan da imogzauron.<br />
es, pirvel rigSi, imisTvis surT,<br />
rom gaeros tribunaze mosaxvedrad<br />
gamoiyenon. am mxriv aSS-s<br />
araRiarebis politika moqmedebs.<br />
viciT, rom aSS Cven strategiuli<br />
partnioria da misi politika<br />
am TvalsazrisiTac yovelTvis<br />
CvenTan TanxvedraSi iyo.<br />
albaT, garkveul pirebs mainc<br />
aZleven aseT vizebs, an, yovel<br />
SemTxvevaSi, iq xvdebian pasportebiT,<br />
romlebic afxazeTis teritoriaze<br />
ar aris gacemuli. magram<br />
afxazeTSi gacemul pasportebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT problemebi<br />
hqondaT. amitom es gancxadebebi<br />
swored am pasportebs exeboda da<br />
astamur taniam daazusta kidec,<br />
rom swored amaze iyo saubari.<br />
aSS-s elCis gancxadeba zogaddiplomatiuri<br />
iyo da pozicias<br />
gamoxatavda, rom SeerTebuli<br />
Statebi mxars uWers Cvens suverenitets<br />
da es pozicia ucvlelia.<br />
_ qarTulma delegaciam evro-<br />
sabWos saparlamento asambleaze<br />
ukrainul rezoluciebs mxari ar<br />
dauWira; garkveuli axsna-gan-<br />
martebebis miuxedavad, es damokidebuleba<br />
rogor SeiZleba, Se-<br />
fasdes?<br />
_ qarTuli delegaciis moqmedeba<br />
im politikis gagrZeleba<br />
iyo, romelsac bolo oTxi wlis<br />
ganmavlobaSi vxedavT. adre yvela<br />
tribunaze, absoluturad yvela<br />
saerTaSoriso Sexvedraze,<br />
CvenTvis prioriteti swored<br />
konfliqturi sakiTxebi iyo; ruseTis<br />
agresia da is politika,<br />
romelic Cvens teritoriul<br />
mTlianobas exeboda; maT Soris,<br />
ukrainis Temac swored am Wril-<br />
Si ganixileboda. magram, am bolo<br />
dros, rogorc Cans, saqarTvelos<br />
sagareo politikaSi sxva prioritetebia.<br />
TviTon es moqmedeba<br />
ise Cans, rom saqarTvelos delegaciam<br />
kveri daukra ruseTis<br />
politikas, rodesac ukrainul<br />
mxares mxari ar dauWira.<br />
Tu kvaWantiraZis axsna-ganmartebebs<br />
davujerebT, isini Semdeg<br />
werilobiT SeuerTdnen da a.<br />
S. magram maT Riad ar daafiqsires<br />
ruseTisadmi winaaRmdegoba da es<br />
cudia saqarTvelosTvis. viciT,<br />
rom saqarTvelos dRevandeli<br />
mTavroba sxva politikas atarebs<br />
ruseTTan mimarTebiT, vidre wina,<br />
magram is saerTo interesi, romelic<br />
Cven da ukrainas gvaqvs,<br />
saerTo Rirebulebebi, romlis-<br />
Tvisac vibrZviT, SeuZlebelia,<br />
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`Cemi da, albaT, sazogadoebis udidesi<br />
nawilis pozicia is aris, rom yvela<br />
urTierToba, romelsac afxazuri mxare<br />
saerTaSoriso sazogadoebasTan<br />
ganaxorcielebs (es evropa iqneba Tu aSS)<br />
saqarTvelos gavliT unda moxdes. swored es<br />
pozicia ukavia saqarTvelos bolo wlebia, am<br />
konfliqtebTan mimarTebiT. yvela is<br />
moqmedeba, romelsac Cven vaxorcielebT da<br />
adrec xorcieldeboda (es iyo lesepases<br />
dokumentebTan dakavSirebiT), swored imitom<br />
keTdeboda, rom afxazebisTvis fanjara<br />
qarTuli saxelmwifo yofiliyo, - fanjara<br />
evropasa da amerikaSi. magram afxazebi<br />
yvelanairad cdiloben, gverdi auaron<br />
qarTvelebTan urTierTobas. miuxedavad imisa,<br />
rom TavianTi pasportebiT arsad uSveben da<br />
yvelgan mxolod rusuli pasportebiT dadian,<br />
mainc maTTvis ufro prioritetulia, swored<br />
saqarTvelos gverdis avliT moxvdnen<br />
evropaSi, raTa dafiqsirdes, rom isini<br />
saqarTvelos nawili ar arian. Cveni politika<br />
piriqiTaa: rogorme yvelgan da yovelTvis<br />
unda davafiqsiroT, rom afxazebi<br />
saqarTvelos nawili arian. es ori<br />
mimarTuleba, Cveni da afxazebis, erTmaneTis<br />
sawinaaRmdegoa da aq saerTo ena ver<br />
gamoinaxa. ubralod, kargia, rom evropuli<br />
politika araRiarebis politikaa~<br />
prioritetuli ar iyos. amitom<br />
prioritetulia mudmivad imis<br />
xazgasma, rom ruseTi agresoria<br />
da Cveni teritoriebi okupirebuli<br />
aqvs. sxvaTa Soris, swored am<br />
politikis gamo momravlda faqtebi,<br />
rodesac Cveni sagareo<br />
saqmeTa saministro post-faqtum<br />
reagirebs yvela im RonisZiebaze,<br />
romelsac soxumisa da cxinvalis<br />
separatistuli mTavrobebi atareben<br />
evropis qveynebSi. es exeba<br />
igive gamofenebSi monawileobas<br />
da a. S. verafriT dalagda is pozicia,<br />
rom es ar dauSvan da winaswar<br />
alagmon, mere rom ar iyos<br />
aRniSnul Temaze xmauri.<br />
amitom maTi post-faqtum moqmedeba<br />
mafiqrebinebs, rom es sakiTxi<br />
prioritetuli ar aris da<br />
mxolod maSin reagireben, roca<br />
sazogadoebaSi amaze garkveuli<br />
SeSfoTeba Cndeba. aris faqtebi,<br />
romlebic sazogadoebamde ar midis.<br />
rogorc Cans, sagareosTvis,<br />
ise zogadad mTavrobisTvis<br />
ufro prioritetuli ekonomikuri<br />
urTierTobebi gaxda, vidre<br />
es teritoriuli mTlianobis<br />
problemaa.<br />
diter bodeni<br />
_ ukrainasTan mimarTebiT<br />
koordinaciis aseTi tipis ac-<br />
denebi ras mogvitans?<br />
_ amis yvelaze naTeli magali-<br />
Ti ruseTis saxelmwifo dumis<br />
arCevnebi iyo. Cven viciT, rom es<br />
arCevnebi Catarda rogorc aneqsirebul<br />
yirimSi, aseve Cvens okupirebul<br />
afxazeTsa da cxinvalis<br />
regionSi. ukrainam imdeni<br />
SeZlo, rom yirimis sakiTxze mTeli<br />
msoflio aalaparaka. SeZlo<br />
is, rom bevrma saxelmwifom ganacxada,<br />
rom ar cnobs yirimSi<br />
Catarebul kenWisyras da iq ar-<br />
Ceul deputatebs. magram am procesSi<br />
arc erTxel, arsad, araferi<br />
Tqmula saqarTvelos Sesaxeb,<br />
Tu ar CavTvliT erT faratina<br />
gancxadebas, romelsac aranairi<br />
mniSvneloba ar aqvs da ufro<br />
imisTvis iyo gakeTebuli, rom<br />
Sida momxmarebeli daewynarebinaT.<br />
magram ase mainc ar moxda. sagareo<br />
saqmeTa saministros am mimarTulebiT<br />
raime sxva saqmianoba<br />
ar uwarmoebia. arc manamde,<br />
sanam es arCevnebi Catardeboda,<br />
arc imis mere, rac es kenWisyra<br />
Sedga.<br />
arada, savsebiT SeiZleboda,<br />
yirimis TemasTan erTad, afxazeT-<br />
Si Catarebuli arCevnebis legitimurobis<br />
sakiTxi damdgariyo,<br />
aseve cxinvalSi Catarebulis. e. i.<br />
afxazeTis teritoriaze saerTod<br />
aseTi ram moxda, _ acxadeben, Cven<br />
damoukideblebi varTo da, am<br />
dros, maTi xelisufleba ruse-<br />
Tis saxelmwifo dumis, anu sxva<br />
saxelmwifos deputatebs xmas<br />
aZlevda, irCevda. uxeSad rom<br />
vTqvaT, rac miaCniaT, rom aqvT,<br />
viTom damoukidebloba, isic ki<br />
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amas Cven TviTon ar vakeTebT,<br />
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mdgomareobaSi aRmoCndnen. asea Tu<br />
ise, miviReT is, risi mowmenic<br />
varT.<br />
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sivrcis mravalferovneba ara<br />
mxolod qarTuli sazogadoebisTvis,<br />
aramed Cveni dasavleli<br />
keTilismsurvelTaTvisac bevrad<br />
ufro mimzidveli iqneboda. am<br />
dros „qarTuli ocnebisTvis” konstituciuri<br />
umravlesobis Sesa-<br />
Zlebloba kars momdgaria.<br />
Sesabamisad, ar gvaqvs didi optimizmi<br />
Cveni demokratiis raime<br />
miaxloebisa evropis demokratiasTan.<br />
es yvelaferi gvafiqrebinebs,<br />
rom, sul cota, momavali oTxi<br />
weli Cvens qveyanaSi, demokratiis<br />
nacvlad, biZinokratia daibudebs.<br />
aravisTvis saidumlo aRar aris,<br />
ra rols TamaSobs batoni biZina<br />
winasaarCevnod da TviTon saarCevno<br />
procesSic. rac unda Tavmdabluri<br />
iyos misi Sefasebebi sakuTari<br />
Tavis, Znelad dasajerebelia<br />
arsebobdnen Cveni Tanamemamuleebi,<br />
romlebic ivaniSvilis uzarmazar<br />
rols ar acnobierebdnen;<br />
amave dros, mis Zalian laR<br />
qmedebebs imisTvis, rom asze meti<br />
parlamentari hyavdes „qarTul<br />
ocnebas”. es imisTvis, rom saqar-<br />
Tvelos prezidenti miWirxvnos,<br />
radgan ganvlili wlebis manZilze<br />
misi privatizacia ver moxerxda. da<br />
axla warmogvidgenen iseT xelis<br />
`qveyanaSi<br />
demokratiis<br />
nacvlad,<br />
biZinokratia<br />
daibudebs~<br />
biWs erTi Cveni rigiTi moqalaqisas,<br />
romelic sul male daibrunebs<br />
zewolis SesaZleblobebs ara mxolod<br />
prezidentis saqmianobaze,<br />
aramed im Senobasac xels miawvdens,<br />
rasac dRes prezidentis sasaxle<br />
hqvia. sul male mas, SeiZleba,<br />
funqcia Seecvalos da kerZo<br />
sakuTrebis sagani gaxdes.<br />
Tavis mxriv, „nacionaluri mo-<br />
Zraobis” saparlamento savarZlebis<br />
mflobelTa dRevandeli Semadgenlobis<br />
nawili SeiZleba SevafasoT,<br />
rogorc „nacional-realistebi”,<br />
radgan meore nawili, „nacional-radikalebi”,<br />
rogorc Cans,<br />
saparlamento sivrceSi TanamSromlobas<br />
ar isurveben. CemTvis misaRebia<br />
adamianebis, sul cota, naxevari,<br />
romelic orive politikuri<br />
Zalisgan warmodgenilia. maT akademiuri<br />
formiT urTierToba<br />
ZaluZT. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi,<br />
Cven winsvlis perspeqtiva namdvilad<br />
ar gvaqvs. sazogadoebis<br />
upirvelesi survili iqneba, rom<br />
Semdgomi oTxi weliwadic orive<br />
politikuri monstris mxridan<br />
erTmaneTis lanZRva-ginebaSi ar<br />
gaxangrZlivdes.<br />
Cven oTxi weliwadi awmyosa da<br />
warsuls Soris kamaTSi davkargeT<br />
da raime sando, sasurveli da potenciuri<br />
perspeqtiva qveyanas maT,<br />
praqtikulad, ver Seuqmnes.<br />
amitom saintereso iqneba Cveni<br />
TanamemamuleebisTvis aseve „patriotTa<br />
aliansis” dafuZneba saparlamento<br />
sivrceSi. ver vityvi,<br />
rom es moulodneli nabiji iyo.<br />
SeiZleba, moulodneli iyos ufro<br />
simcire im xmebisa, romelic<br />
saarCevno ubnebze dafiqsirda.<br />
magram faqti, rasakvirvelia,<br />
gvkarnaxobs, rom ramdenime sxva<br />
politikur subieqtsac sando da<br />
samarTliani arCevnebis SemTxveva-<br />
Si realuri SesaZlebloba hqonda,<br />
qarTuli parlamentarizmis nawili<br />
gamxdariyo! magram, ratomRac,<br />
yovelgvari ganmartebis gareSe,<br />
sasamarTlo arc fiqrobs, rom ase-<br />
Ti partiebis mier Seqmnili sakmaod<br />
sando dokumentacia ganixilos,<br />
rac imaze mianiSnebs, rom<br />
TviTon arCevnebis procesi seriozuli<br />
eWvis sagania.<br />
aseT pirobebSi Cven, Zalauneburad,<br />
gvaxsendeba, ratom aifofra<br />
mTeli sazogadoeba imis gamo,<br />
rom qarTuli marTlmsajulebis<br />
de faqto umaRles warmomadgenlad<br />
batono murusiZe dasaxelda?<br />
amitom sruli nihilizmia arCevnebis<br />
Sedegebis samarTliani gadasinjvisTvis,<br />
radgan, praqtikulad,<br />
dRes qarTul sasamarTlos murusiZe-ivaniSvilisa<br />
ganagebs. am adamians<br />
aravisgan miuRia davaleba,<br />
yofiliyo samarTliani. is mxolod<br />
imisTvis daiqiraves, rom sadme,<br />
raime iseT simarTles ar hqonoda<br />
gaWaWanebis saSualeba, romelic am<br />
usamarTlo sivrcis fskerze Tavad<br />
murusiZis aRmomCenis guls ar<br />
moefineboda.<br />
_ am fonze „nacionaluri mo-<br />
Zraobis” gadawyvetileba, rom bo-<br />
ikotze uari Tqvas da Sevides parlamentSi,<br />
rogor unda ganvix-<br />
iloT?<br />
_ Cemi azriT, nacionalur moZraobaSi<br />
axali realobaa. albaT,<br />
yvelafers Tavisi sazRvari aqvs,<br />
maT Soris soliduri politikuri<br />
Zalis marTvasac sazRvargareTeli<br />
moqalaqis mier, romelsac arc ki<br />
Camoesvleba qveyanaSi, sadac is<br />
saarCevno procesSi sakuTari rolis<br />
damkvidrebas cdilobs.<br />
„nacionaluri moZraobis” wevrebSi<br />
gansxvavebul midgomebs, TavisTavad,<br />
raime negativad ver Cav-<br />
TvliT. piriqiT, ama Tu im politikuri<br />
subieqtisgan sajarod<br />
gavrcelebuli azrTa sxvadasxvaoba<br />
mxolod imaze migvaniSnebs, rom<br />
zogierT politikur subieqts<br />
TviTkritikis garkveuli maragi<br />
aqvs. CemTvis es moulodneloba<br />
iyo, magram faqti jiutia.<br />
diax, ori nawilisgan iqneba Sedgenili<br />
„nacionaluri moZraoba”.<br />
erTi „nacional-radikalebi” iqnebian<br />
da am nawils Tavkacad erTi<br />
ukraineli moqalaqe moevlineba,<br />
xolo meore nawils warmoadgens<br />
„nacional-realistebis” gundi,<br />
romelic, didi albaTobiT, daviT<br />
baqraZisa da giga bokerias mier<br />
iqneba marTuli. „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” es meore nawili ufro<br />
konstruqciul saqmianobas Se-<br />
Zlebs saparlamento sivrceSi. imedi<br />
maqvs, rom saxelisuflebo<br />
politikuri Zalis mudmivi lanZRva<br />
aRar iqneba erTaderTi Tema<br />
saparlamento arsebobisa wlebis<br />
ganmavlobaSi. Tavad unda vecadoT,<br />
rom TiToeulma Cvenganma<br />
pasuxi agos im warmatebebsa da warumateblobaze,<br />
ris mowmenic wlebis<br />
manZilze gavxdebiT. vemzadoT<br />
sxvadasxva saxis arCevnebze ufro<br />
gonivruli Sedegis miRebisTvis.<br />
vecadoT, jer erTi, Cveni ga-<br />
Ratakebuli, mSieri Tanamemamuleebis<br />
(romlebic amomrCevelTa<br />
Soris didi raodenobiT iyvnen<br />
warmodgenilni) arsebobis xarisxi<br />
gavaumjobesoT da Semdgom droulad,<br />
saqmianad gavuziaroT obieqturi<br />
informacia, rac arsebobs,<br />
magram winasaarCevno periodSi,<br />
praqtikulad, xelmiuwvdomelia.<br />
es imitom, rom aseT adamianebs,<br />
rogorc amomrCevlebs, Tundac<br />
erTi xmiT, mxolod usafuZvlo<br />
dapirebebiT abrueben.<br />
amitom upriani iqneboda, rom<br />
arasamTavrobo seqtorma winasaarCevno<br />
periodebSi sakuTar Tavze<br />
ufro aqtiuri roli aiRos. ara<br />
romelime politikuri Zalis agitatorebi<br />
iyvnen, aramed mxardamWerni<br />
informaciis deficitis procesSi<br />
myofi amomrCevlebisTvis.<br />
amomrCevlebTan saubrebi ise<br />
unda warimarTos, rom arc erTi<br />
politikosi da arc erTi politikuri<br />
subieqtis saxelwodeba ar<br />
unda dasaxeldes. mxolod ase miviRebT<br />
ufro sakuTari nafiqris<br />
aRmasrulebel amomrCevels da ara<br />
rogorc cocxal Zalas, romelsac<br />
mxolod erTaderTi funqcia eqneba,<br />
_ yuTSi biuletenis Cagdeba.<br />
12<br />
`aravisTvis saidumlo aRar aris, ra rols TamaSobs<br />
batoni biZina winasaarCevnod da TviTon saarCevno<br />
procesSic. rac unda Tavmdabluri iyos misi<br />
Sefasebebi sakuTari Tavis, Znelad dasajerebelia<br />
arsebobdnen Cveni Tanamemamuleebi, romlebic<br />
ivaniSvilis uzarmazar rols ar acnobierebdnen;<br />
amave dros, mis Zalian laR qmedebebs imisTvis, rom<br />
asze meti parlamentari hyavdes `qarTul ocnebas~. es<br />
imisTvis, rom saqarTvelos prezidenti miWirxvnos,<br />
radgan ganvlili wlebis manZilze misi privatizacia<br />
ver moxerxda. da axla warmogvidgenen iseT xelis<br />
biWs erTi Cveni rigiTi moqalaqisas, romelic sul<br />
male daibrunebs zewolis SesaZleblobebs ara<br />
mxolod prezidentis saqmianobaze, aramed im<br />
Senobasac xels miawvdens, rasac dRes prezidentis<br />
sasaxle hqvia. sul male mas, SeiZleba, funqcia<br />
Seecvalos da kerZo sakuTrebis sagani gaxdes~<br />
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mentis Tavmjdomaris postze,<br />
Tumca vnaxoT, ra rogor iqneba.<br />
saburTalos arCevnebSi parlamentis<br />
Tavmjdomareze meti<br />
xma „ocnebis” warmomadgenelma,<br />
levan gogiCaiSvilma da „nacionalebis”<br />
kandidatma sevdia<br />
ugrexeliZem miiRes da vfiqrob,<br />
did pativiscemas ar imsaxurebs<br />
is, vinc aseTi arCevani<br />
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warumatebeli aRmoCnda, arada, faqtia, rom am partiaSi araer-<br />
Ti gamocdili politikosia, magaliTad, levan berZeniSvili,<br />
romelic politikur sarbielze, jer kidev, 80-ian wlebSi<br />
gamoCnda da antisabWoTa propagandisTvis sasjelic<br />
moaxdevines. mas Semdeg bevrma wyalma Caira da „respublikuri<br />
partia” movlenebs miRma ar yofila, opozicioneris rolSi<br />
Tavs urigod ar grZnobda, wina mowvevis parlamentSi ki ko-<br />
alicia „qarTuli ocnebidan” moxvda, mere ki „ocneba” datova<br />
da damoukideblad scada parlamentSi Sesvla.<br />
arCevnebis<br />
„qronika+”-is kiTxvebs le-<br />
„qronika+”-is kiTxvebs le-<br />
van berZeniSvili pasuxobs:<br />
_ „respublikurma partiam”<br />
5-procentiani barieri ver<br />
gadalaxa da parlaments miR-<br />
ma darCa, romelic, metwilad,<br />
ori partiiT iqneba dakompleqtebuli.<br />
rogor Seaf-<br />
asebdiT arCevnebis Sedegebs?<br />
_ velodi, rom Cveni partia<br />
ufro met xmas miiRebda. rac<br />
Seexeba saerTo Sedegs, es er-<br />
Toblivad ganapirobes „qarTulma<br />
ocnebam” da „nacionalurma<br />
moZraobam”. saakaSvili gaTxris<br />
gvirabs, an gadmocuravs<br />
zRvas da Camova, _ aseTi iyo<br />
winasaarCevno Tematika da aman<br />
imuSava. Sedegic am yvelafris<br />
fonze daido.<br />
_ yvelam vnaxeT, rom „qar-<br />
Tuli ocneba” marTlac moxerxebulad<br />
iyenebda saakaSvi-<br />
lis faqtors. mxolod es iyo<br />
„ocnebis” gamarjvebis mizezi?<br />
_ mosaxleoba daarwmunes,<br />
rom arCevani aseTnirad gaeke-<br />
TebinaT, _ an Cven, an miSa. „qar-<br />
Tuli ocnebis” xelSi aRmoCnda<br />
didi finansuri resursic,<br />
„respublikur partias” ki biznesmenebisgan<br />
erTi TeTric ar<br />
miuRia. gvqonda Secdomebi,<br />
Tumca aman naklebad ganapiroba<br />
Cveni Sedegi am arCevnebSi.<br />
rac moxda, es aris qarTuli<br />
szogadoebis arCevani _ parlamentSi<br />
isini moxvdnen, romel-<br />
Ta naxvac Cvens sazogadoebas<br />
surda.<br />
_ maJoritarul arCevnebSi<br />
saburTalos olqSi daviT usufaSvili<br />
xelmocaruli aRmoCnda.<br />
usufaSvili am arCevnebSi<br />
mxolod „respublikel-<br />
Ta” lideris statusiT ar mo-<br />
nawileobda, is xom parlamen-<br />
tis Tavmjdomare gaxldaT da<br />
rogor fiqrobT, es konkret-<br />
uli Sedegi ram ganapiroba?<br />
_ maJoritarul arCevnebSic<br />
am niSniT ganxorcielda arCevani:<br />
is „qarTuli ocnebis” warmomadgenelia,<br />
es ki _ „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis”. ara mgonia,<br />
„qarTul ocnebas” usufaSvilis<br />
dari kadri hyavdes parla-<br />
N37(<strong>168</strong>) 18.10-24.10.2016 w.<br />
nia.<br />
_ parlamentSi moxvda irma<br />
inaSvilis „patriotTa aliansi”,<br />
axali partia, romelic ga-<br />
mocdilebiT bvers CamorCeba...<br />
_ amis axsna martivad Sei-<br />
Zleba, _ saqarTveloSi marTlac<br />
arian rusuli orientaciis<br />
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nino burjanaZis partiamac miaRwia<br />
rigian Sedegs aWaris parlamentis<br />
arCevnebSi. inaSvili<br />
parlamentSi moxvda, usufaSvili<br />
_ vera, alasania ki politikidan<br />
midis. es aris didi<br />
tragedia!<br />
_ rogorc unda iyos, nino<br />
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aZe saqarTvelos axal parla-<br />
mentSi ver moxvda.<br />
levan berZeniSvili:<br />
`ara mgonia, `qarTul<br />
ocnebas~ usufaSvilis<br />
dari kadri hyavdes<br />
parlamentis<br />
Tavmjdomaris<br />
postze~<br />
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lis xelSi _ aseT dros saf-<br />
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_ xalxma arCevani gaakeTa<br />
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Soris. „qarTuli ocnebis”<br />
am SemadgenlobaSi gamocdili<br />
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aris, samagierod arian cnobili<br />
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saSiSia.<br />
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axalma parlamentma unda air-<br />
Cios _ ukve gaCnda es azri da<br />
Tqven, rogorc „respublike-<br />
li”, amaze ras ityodiT?<br />
_ yvelam icis, rom yovel-<br />
Tvis qveynis respublikur models<br />
vuWerdi mxars. evropaSi,<br />
Tu ar CavTvliT safrangeTsa<br />
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models, magram Tu konkreti-<br />
`velodi, rom Cveni partia ufro<br />
met xmas miiRebda. rac Seexeba<br />
saerTo Sedegs, es erToblivad<br />
ganapirobes `qarTulma ocnebam~ da<br />
`nacionalurma moZraobam~.<br />
saakaSvili gaTxris gvirabs, an<br />
gadmocuravs zRvas da Camova, -<br />
aseTi iyo winasaarCevno Tematika<br />
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_ wlevandel saparlamento<br />
dRes?<br />
arCevnebSi amomrCevlebis daaxloebiT<br />
naxevari monawileobda,<br />
aqedan „qarTulma ocnebam”<br />
xmebis, TiTqmis, naxevari moipova.<br />
e. i. am partias mosaxleobis,<br />
daaxloebiT, 25%-ma dau-<br />
Wira mxari. Tu situacia ukontrolo<br />
gaxdeba, darwmunebuli<br />
var, mosaxleobis 75% amas ar<br />
Seegueba da saTanado protests<br />
gamoxatavs. amxela protestTan<br />
gamklavebis resursi<br />
ki „qarTul ocnebas” namdvilad<br />
ar gaaCnia. Tu amas moisurvebs,<br />
maSin yvela unda dai-<br />
Wiros da cimbiri daipyros,<br />
raTa iq umsgavsoebebTan arSeguebuli<br />
xalxi gadaasaxlos. ase<br />
rom, katastrofis molodinSi<br />
namdvilad ar var.<br />
_ migaCniaT, rom saqarTvelos<br />
sagareo kursi ar Seicv-<br />
leba?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, ver Seicvleba,<br />
radgan saqarTvelos veqtori<br />
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aris mimarTuli. garda amisa,<br />
imdenad cudad iqceva ruseTi<br />
da ukve iseTi naTelia, Tu vin<br />
aris Cveni megobari, rom saqarTvelos<br />
sagareo kursis Secvlis<br />
winapirobas ver vxedav.<br />
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vamtkicebdiT masobriv gayalbebas. marto aWaraSi gauqmebuli<br />
(e. i. amomrCevlebis moparuli) 25 aTasi biuleteni ramdens ni-<br />
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gavaanalizoT da rodesac amis dro mova, arCevnebis moparv-<br />
isTvis pasuxi vagebinoT am didi aferis damgegmavebsa da Zir-<br />
iTad ganmaxorcieleblebs. madlobeli var yvela aqtivistis,<br />
vinc miuxedavad zewolisa, gulmodgined agrovebs am mtkice-<br />
bulebebs”, _ ambobs saakaSvili.<br />
„qronika+” „erTiani nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” warmomadgenels,<br />
giorgi baramiZes es-<br />
aubreba:<br />
_ batono giorgi, rogor<br />
afasebT 8 oqtombris saparlamento<br />
arCevnebs da masze daf-<br />
iqsirebul winaswar Sedegebs?<br />
_ saarCevno procesi cudad<br />
warimarTa. mas axlda dausjeli<br />
Zaladoba, xelisuflebis mxridan<br />
SuRlis gaRviveba, SurisZiebis<br />
atmosfero, rac aseve dausjeli<br />
korcxeliT, givi TargamaZis<br />
winaaRmdeg teraqtiT<br />
dagvirgvinda, romelzec premier-ministrma<br />
sruliad gaugebari<br />
mizezebiT miniSneba isev<br />
Cvenze gaakeTa, _ viRac deputatis<br />
mandats ver amoefareba da<br />
meores ucxoeTis moqalaqeoba<br />
ar uSveliso. suleli aravinaa<br />
da naTelia, premieri viszec<br />
laparakobda. amitom es raRac<br />
sruliad uzneo miniSneba-mi-<br />
TiTebebi iyo.<br />
mere xelisuflebis mier<br />
gavrcelebuli Worebic movismineT,<br />
rom givi TargamaZe saerTod<br />
ar ijda im manqanaSi da<br />
sxv.<br />
Semdeg, ukve, 8 oqtombers<br />
Cvenebma sxvadasxva saxis karuselis<br />
darRvevebi aRmoaCines.<br />
ai, am atmosferoSi miviReT is,<br />
rac miviReT.<br />
_ uSualod kenWisyris aseT<br />
Sedegebs ramdenad elode-<br />
bodiT?<br />
_ namdvilad ar velodebodi,<br />
radgan gamarjvebas vgegmavdiT.<br />
amas gulwrfelad vambob iqidan<br />
gamomdinare, rasac Tvalyurs<br />
giorgi baramiZe:<br />
`biZina<br />
ivaniSvilis<br />
xelSi<br />
sakonstitucio<br />
umravlesoba<br />
qveynisTvis<br />
didi<br />
safrTxea~<br />
vadevnebdiT. Cveni partiis yvela<br />
maJoritari kandidati kardakaris<br />
kampanias axorcielebda.<br />
me piradad 7 aTasze met ojaxSi<br />
davakakune, umetesoba adgilze<br />
damxvda, vesaubre da Zalian<br />
kargi ganwyoba iyo sazogadoebaSi.<br />
am adamianebis udidesi nawili<br />
ara marto ubralod gviRimoda<br />
da Tavazianad gvepyroboda,<br />
aramed warmatebas gvisurvebda<br />
da gveubneboda, rom<br />
xmas gaZlevTo. es CemTvis namdvilad<br />
Seusabamoa im SedegTan,<br />
rac daido.<br />
kidev erTxel vambob, rom es<br />
yvelaferi gasagebia, rac Seqmnilma<br />
atmosferom moitana.<br />
Zalian bevri adamiani am zewolis<br />
qveS aRmoCnda. Zalian bevrma<br />
saerTod ver misca xma: samxedroebma,<br />
policielebma da,<br />
rogorc giTxariT, ara marto<br />
Zaladobis, aramed gayalbebis<br />
Zalian bevri faqti gvaqvs.<br />
_ ramdenad SesaZlebelia,<br />
rom es realoba arCevnebis me-<br />
ore turSi Seicvalos?<br />
_ SesaZlebelia Seicvalos,<br />
Tu sazogadoebis is nawili,<br />
romelic ara marto „nacionalur<br />
moZraobas” uWers mxars,<br />
aramed, ubralod, moqalaqeobrivad<br />
maRali Segneba aqvs, gaaqtiurdeba.<br />
sruliadac aucilebeli<br />
ar aris, Cveni partiis mxardamWeri<br />
iyos. ubralod,<br />
xvdeba, rom biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
xelSi sakonstitucio umravlesoba<br />
qveynis erovnuli usafr-<br />
TxoebisTvis Zalian didi problemaa.<br />
es TiToeuli Cveni TanamoqalaqisTvis<br />
problemaa, rogorc<br />
usafrTxoebis, aseve ekonomikuri,<br />
socialuri TvalsazrisiT.<br />
Tundac iqidan gamomdinare,<br />
rom oTxi wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
qveyana zrdis nacvlad 2 miliardi<br />
dolariT gaRaribda (es<br />
cifrebia, romelsac veravin<br />
gaeqceva). visac es esmis, Tu dairazmeba<br />
da arCevnebze mova, SesaZlebelia,<br />
Cvenma kandidatebma<br />
gaimarjvon. male meore turebia<br />
da yvelaferi SeiZleba<br />
moxdes.<br />
_ mixeil saakaSvilis TqmiT,<br />
xmis micemis dasrulebis Sem-<br />
deg zogierTi, erTmaneTTan<br />
saqmis garCevis nacvlad, mtki-<br />
cebulebebis sistematizaciiT<br />
rom dakavebuliyo, yvelgan da-<br />
vamtkicebdiT gayalbebaso.<br />
eTanxmebiT Tu ara eqsprezden-<br />
tis am mosazrebas?<br />
_ veTanxmebi, rom ufro bevri<br />
mtkicebulebis mopovebisTvis<br />
meti saSualeba rom gvqonoda,<br />
sazogadoebas TvalnaTeli<br />
suraTi eqneboda imasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, Tu ramdeni dar-<br />
Rveva moxda arCevnebze; imis dasadastureblad,<br />
rom es kenWisyra<br />
xalxis nebis gamomxatveli<br />
ar aris da es ar aris Tavisufal<br />
viTarebaSi Tavisufali azris<br />
gamomxatveli arCevani. es unda<br />
momxdariyo, rac, samwuxarod,<br />
ar moxda.<br />
pirvel nawilSic veTanxmebi,<br />
rom yvela organizaciaSi aris<br />
azrTa sxvadasxvaoba (arc es damalula)<br />
da bevrma, Cemi azriT,<br />
zedmeti dro da energia daxarja<br />
Sida kinklaobaze, rac aseve<br />
pasuxismgeblobis sazogadoebaa,<br />
sawarmoa da, Sesabamisad, am<br />
principidan gamomdinare moqmedebs.<br />
axla mas Zalauflebis srulad<br />
xelSi Cagdebis Sansi aqvs<br />
da Tu es Zalaufleba moipova,<br />
rogorc unda, ise daWris da<br />
gakeravs.<br />
_ ukrainis movlenebTan dakavSirebiT<br />
evropis saparla-<br />
mento asambleis rezolucias<br />
qarTulma delegaciam mxari<br />
rom ar dauWira, es risi miman-<br />
iSnebelia?<br />
_ imis mimaniSnebelia, rasac<br />
Cven vambobT. es adamianebi uprincipo<br />
da arapatriotul politikas<br />
atareben; realurad,<br />
„daTvs babaia dauZaxe” principiT<br />
moqmedeben. amitom yvela<br />
mimarTulebiT vagebT da yvela<br />
14<br />
biZina ivaniSvili<br />
`rodesac strategiul partniors, romelsac<br />
Sennairi problema aqvs, gverdiT ar udgaxar,<br />
naTelia, rom amiT TviTizolacia xdeba, rac,<br />
upirvelesad, okupanti qveynis interesia.<br />
xSirad miTqvams, - CemTvis sulerTia, biZina<br />
ivaniSvils sadRac winaswari molaparakeba aqvs<br />
da `feesbesTan~ mis TanamSromlobaze sadme<br />
kartoTekaSi sabuTi devs Tu ara, realurad,<br />
rasac is akeTebs, Cemi azriT, pirdapir putinis<br />
gegmis Sesrulebaa am qveyanaSi~<br />
miuRebelia.<br />
_ saubaria prezidentis sayovelTao<br />
arCevnebis gauqmebaze<br />
da misi parlamentis mxridan<br />
arCevaze. aseTi tipis re-<br />
formebi qveyanas ras moutans?<br />
_ es ideac nakarnaxevia, mxolod<br />
da mxolod, biZina ivaniSvilis<br />
piradi survilebidan,<br />
rom yvela da yvelaferi gaakontrolos,<br />
radgan naxa, rom<br />
mis mier SerCeulma margvelaSvilma<br />
ar gaumarTla (anu misi<br />
mona ar gaxda, razec ganawyenebulia<br />
da amas arc malavs).<br />
ubralod, am adamians miaCnia,<br />
rom es qveyana misi SezRuduli<br />
mimarTulebiT Cveni poziciebi<br />
dakargulia. rodesac strategiul<br />
partniors, romelsac Sennairi<br />
problema aqvs, gverdiT<br />
ar udgaxar, naTelia, rom amiT<br />
TviTizolacia xdeba, rac, upirvelesad,<br />
okupanti qveynis interesia.<br />
xSirad miTqvams, _ Cem-<br />
Tvis sulerTia, biZina ivaniSvils<br />
sadRac winaswari molaparakeba<br />
aqvs da „feesbesTan” mis<br />
TanamSromlobaze sadme kartoTekaSi<br />
sabuTi devs Tu ara,<br />
realurad, rasac is akeTebs, Cemi<br />
azriT, pirdapir putinis gegmis<br />
Sesrulebaa am qveyanaSi.<br />
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mexuTe gverdidan<br />
- mas gundic Zlieri hyavda da<br />
mxolod ivaniSvilis dagebuli maxis<br />
gamo darCa gareT. nino burjanaZe<br />
aprotestebs. axla rac unda, is<br />
gaaprotestos, mainc araferi<br />
gamouva. Cemi azriT, rogorc sxva<br />
politikuri speqtri gaCumda, ninosac<br />
gaaCumeben.<br />
_ riT gaaCumes sxvebi, an bur-<br />
janaZes rogor gaaCumeben?<br />
_ arsebobs sxvadasxva meTodi,<br />
rom politikosma, romelmac brZola<br />
waago imitom, rom kargad ver<br />
dagegma saarCevno kampania, gaaCumon.<br />
„endiais” kvleviT saqarTveloSi<br />
26% iyo momxre evraziis kav-<br />
Siris, nino burjanaZes, minimum, es<br />
13% mainc unda aeRo, sworad rom<br />
daegegma kampania, magram ver dagegma,<br />
ar gaemijna ivaniSvils. xmas imitom<br />
ver amoiReben, rom biZina<br />
Zalian Wkvianurad moqmedebda da<br />
eseni _ ugunurad.<br />
_ „nacionalebze” ras ityviT,<br />
isinic wagebulebad miiCneven Tavs<br />
da amas mixeil saakaSvils abrale-<br />
ben, _ Camoval, Camoval iZaxa da<br />
SeSinebuli xalxi arCevnebze gaaq-<br />
cia „qocebisTvis” xmis misacema-<br />
do. es simarTlea?<br />
_ „nacebmac” 27%-ze meti aiRes.<br />
„rusTavi 2"-ze rom reitingebi<br />
daido, zustad is reitingebi dajda<br />
realurad. me piriqiT vityvi,<br />
mixeil saakaSvils rom ar eTqva,<br />
movdivaro, „nacionalebs” realuradac<br />
eqnebodaT, maqsimum, 20%.<br />
xalxma marTla daijera, mixeil<br />
saakaSvili modiso da miSistebi,<br />
romlebic saqarTveloSi cxovroben,<br />
mogvwons isini Tu ara, gaiqcnen<br />
xmis misacemad „nacionalebisTvis”.<br />
magram aqac „susma” imuSava,<br />
romelsac yvelgan hyavda Tavisi<br />
xalxi. Tanac, „nacebSi” ramdenime<br />
adamiani iqneboda „susTan”<br />
garigebuli... aseTebi yvela partiaSi<br />
iyvnen. rodesac irakli kobaxiZe,<br />
erT-erTi pirveli saxe gamovida<br />
da Tqva, alasanias xalxi CvenTvis<br />
sainteresoao, es ras niSnavs?<br />
axla gaxdnen sainteresoni? imdeni<br />
tvinic ar hqondaT, rom ase-<br />
Ti ram mainc ar eTqvaT. saakaSvilic<br />
qiraobda „piarSikebs” da es<br />
kanonieria. visac fuli aqvs, ase<br />
iqceva, magram rom qiraoben, maT<br />
fuli hqondaT da daiqiraves, sxvebs<br />
fuli ar hqondaT. saakaSvili<br />
qiraobda, magram maT naklebad usmenda,<br />
biZina ki aRmoCnda adamiani,<br />
romelmac sxvas mousmina. amas ase<br />
darwmunebiT imitom vambob, rom<br />
biZinas gonebrivi SesaZleblobebis<br />
me ar mjera, aseT „politikur<br />
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`swored am dros daukavSirda mas `girCi~. es<br />
`svla~ iyo biZinas gegmis erT-erTi nawili.<br />
`girCi~ am xalxis finansebis gastumrebas<br />
sTavazobda. `girCi~, realurad, kublaSvilis<br />
ideologiazea awyobili, is aris am partiis<br />
realuri xelmZRvanelic, saxec da aman<br />
gamoiwvia xalxis gaRizianeba. Sedegad, paatas<br />
reitingi 20%-dan 10-sa da 8-ze daeca, magram is,<br />
am procentiT, mainc moxvdeboda parlamentSi,<br />
rac biZina ivaniSvilis gegmebSi ar Sedioda da<br />
`girCi~, romelic paatas gverdiT unda<br />
yofiliyo, tovebs mas. 16 olqSi gadioda<br />
`girCi~ da misma kandidatebma Tqves, rom<br />
arCevnebze ar gavidodnen. mainteresebs, 16<br />
olqi rom CamoeWraT `ocnebisTvis~, anu rac<br />
`girCs~ gaukeTes, is xom `nacionalebis~ xmebamde<br />
Camovidoda? amiT imis Tqma minda, rom<br />
nebismieri partiisTvis es iqneboda katastrofa.<br />
Semdeg isic Zalian gamikvirda, paatam<br />
samnaxevari procenti rom aiRo da mainc<br />
kvalificiur partiad dafiqsirda, radgan, Cemi<br />
azriT, misi ganadgureba dakveTili iyo~<br />
_ kargia, imitom rom qarTuli<br />
politikuri speqtridan vinc gadarCa,<br />
ar aris garigebuli dRevandel<br />
moqmed ZalasTan. vinc kurkurs<br />
daiwyebs xelisuflebasTan, is<br />
dagvanaxvebs, rom garigeba iyo ivaniSvilis<br />
gundsa da maT Soris. kargi<br />
raRaca moxda, rom biZina ivaniSvilma<br />
sakonstitucio umravlesoba<br />
miiRo. is veRar daabralebs sxva<br />
partiebs _ egeni rom myavdnen, amitom<br />
veraferi gavakeTeo. ivaniS-<br />
vili arafris gamkeTebeli rom ar<br />
aris, es ganvlilma 4-ma weliwadma<br />
aCvena, magram es 4 weliwadi xalxs<br />
mainc hqonda „respublikelebze”<br />
agresia da yvelaferi maT braldeboda.<br />
_ marTla ase ar iyo? gavixsenoT<br />
Tundac kohabitaciis Semogdeba<br />
da samarTlianobis CaZir-<br />
va. amaze xom „respublikelebi”<br />
alaparakdnen Tavdapirvelad?<br />
_ „respublikuri partia” imdenad<br />
arapopularuli gaxda samoqalaqo<br />
sazogadoebaSi, rom biZinam<br />
aqac Wkvianuri nabiji gadadga da<br />
egeni mxolod arCevnebis win moiSora.<br />
esec sworad dagegma. isinic<br />
rom alasaniasaviT adre moeSorebina,<br />
dRes biZina amas ver miiRebda,<br />
rac miiRo, radgan swored „respublikelebi”<br />
iyvnen wamyvani dargis<br />
ministrebi da qveyanas marTva<br />
sWirdeboda.<br />
_ kargiT, moicila isini, magram<br />
axla vin unda marTos qveyana? da-<br />
qiravebuli piarmenejerebi ras<br />
urCeven?<br />
_ isini urCevdnen mxolod<br />
saarCevno piars. man rom normalurad<br />
marTos qveyana, biznesi mTlianad<br />
unda gaaTeTros, misma Tanamdebobis<br />
pirebma fuli ar unda<br />
moiparon, unda moTokos ivaniSvilma<br />
maTi mada, 40.000-ebi ar unda<br />
gadaaxdevinos restornebSi biujetidan.<br />
_ mere, es SeuZlebelia? ratom<br />
ar iqceva ase?<br />
_ SeuZlebeli ar aris. amas hqvia<br />
is, rom qarTvel xalxs emsaxuro,<br />
romlisTvisac ivaniSvilis xelisufleba<br />
mzad ar aRmoCnda. axla Tu<br />
ivaniSvilma Secvala es situacia,<br />
mivesalmebi, imitom rom qveyanaSi<br />
jansaRi procesi wava. CemTvis mniSvneloba<br />
ar aqvs, vin iqneba pirveli<br />
piri, ivaniSvili Tu saakaSvili,<br />
CemTvis mniSvneloba imas aqvs, qveyana<br />
swori mimarTulebiT wavides,<br />
samarTliani sasamarTlo iyos. arc<br />
erT politikur partias ar hqonda<br />
„murusiZeebis” moSorebis gegma,<br />
rac Zalian cudi aRmoCnda maT-<br />
Tvisac da qveynisTvisac.<br />
_ ukve meore turia daniSnu-<br />
li. Tqveni azriT, amjerad ras<br />
gaakeTebs biZina ivaniSvilo?<br />
_ meore turi imarTeba „nacmoZraobasa”<br />
da biZina ivaniSvils<br />
Soris. aqedan gamomdinare, me rom<br />
amomrCeveli viyo, rogorc ar unda<br />
miyvardes biZina, ar waval da „nacionalebs”<br />
ar mivcem xmas. es aris<br />
swori gaTvla imitom, rom sanam meore<br />
Zala iqneba „nacmoZraoba”, bi-<br />
Zina arCevnebs ver waagebs. amitom<br />
mas urCevnia, iyos „nacmoZraobac”,<br />
magram mciredi raodenobiT. biZina<br />
aiRebs 80%-s meore turSi, es<br />
gardauvalia.<br />
_ anu „nacebi” mis gverdiT sul<br />
iqnebian?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, amitom ivaniSvili<br />
mesame Zalas, es iqneba paata<br />
burWulaZe, alasania, naTelaSvili<br />
Tu sxva, yovelTvis moiSorebs da<br />
gaanadgurebs mas. mkiTxeT, _ ratom<br />
ver aaSenebs qveyanas biZinao? samarTlianoba<br />
rom aRdges, amas<br />
unda tvini da samarTlebrivi reformebi.<br />
miTxariT, aba, biZinas<br />
gundSi adamiani, romelsac es Seu-<br />
Zlia. qveynis ekonomikur ganvi-<br />
Tarebas sWirdeba tvini da ara mafiozuri<br />
marTva. rogor ggoniaT,<br />
xaduri da kalaZe imitom mividnen<br />
„qarTul ocnebaSi”, rom 3000-larian<br />
xelfasze gaCerdnen? an sxvebi?<br />
xelisufleba unda wavides<br />
imaze, rom biznesi gaaTeTros,<br />
amaze ar wavida saakaSvili, amaze<br />
ar wavida SevardnaZe, arc biZina<br />
wavida. es niSnavs imas, rom tenderi<br />
ar SeiZleba moigos firmam,<br />
romelic erTi kviris Seqmnilia da<br />
ar waagos firmam, romelic 10 welia,<br />
arsebobs da gamocdileba<br />
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me aseve saakaSvilis veubnebi,<br />
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qveyana, sadac XXI saukunis faSizmi<br />
ganaviTara, es ki feodalurs avi-<br />
Tarebs.<br />
irakli alasania<br />
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`yvelaze mimzidveli politikuri Zala Cemnairad - prodasavlurad<br />
moazrovne xalxisTvis, iyo alasania da is aucileblad miiRebda xmebis,<br />
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qveynisTvis saWiro iyo, "susis" daxmarebiT swored misi ojaxis wevrs<br />
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amisa, sazogadoeba alasanias gverdiT dadga imitom, rom es iyo<br />
sibinZure. biZina amas ar elodeboda, is am kadrebisgan eloda<br />
sazogadoebis iseTive Soks, rogoric cixis kadrebis gamomzeurebis Semdeg<br />
moxda. amjerad xalxma es yvelaferi aRar daijera da Tqva, erTxel<br />
movida es kaci am kadrebiT da meored msgavsad veRar movao~<br />
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triaSvili da dolaberiZe. isini<br />
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moZraobas” emsgavsebian, rasac<br />
vemijnebi. vtoveb profkavSireb-<br />
is rigebs, radgan mimaCnia, rom<br />
profkavSirebi ar unda iyos<br />
politikurad motivirebuli da<br />
unda iyos damoukidebeli, apolitikuri<br />
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ramdenime dRiT adre, mas irakli<br />
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gamoiyena. igi, rogorc yovel-<br />
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profkavSirebisa da dargobrivi<br />
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kompaniam, ubralod, Tavisi mravalnacadi xerxi gamoiyena. igi,<br />
rogorc yovelTvis, cdilobs saqarTvelos profkavSirebisa da<br />
dargobrivi profkavSirebis legitimaciis xarisxi Seasustos,<br />
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es iyo joni rTvelaZis preskonferenciis Catarebisa da mis mier<br />
gakeTebuli gancxadebebis realuri mizezi~<br />
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`me vpasuxob kompania `aremji golds~ da ara am kompaniis aw ukve yofil<br />
profkavSirebis Tavmjdomares, joni rTvelaZes, romelic kompaniis<br />
xelmZRvanelobam profkavSirebis gaerTianebisa da piradad Cemi<br />
diskreditaciis mcdelobisTvis Zalian uniWod gamoiyena. CemTvis cnobilia,<br />
rom rTvelaZis gancxadebas mediasaSualebebs gasavrceleblad swored<br />
`aremji goldis~ pressamsaxuri ugzavnis. pirvel rigSi, madlobas vuxdi<br />
kompania `aremji golds~, rom kidev erTxel momca saSualeba, rogorc<br />
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saSualebiT damefiqsirebina Cemi pozicia, Tu risTvis gadavwyvite<br />
profkavSirebidan parlamentSi wasvla. swored `aremji goldis~ msgavsi<br />
saxelisuflebo karis bizneskompaniebis winaaRmdeg vibrZoleb, romlebic<br />
wina xelisuflebisa da am xelisuflebis pirobebSic uxeSad arRveven<br />
dasaqmebulTa Sromis uflebebsa da usafrTxoebis normebs. Sevaxseneb maT,<br />
rom `xelisuflebasTan mogvarebuli biznesi~ ar niSnavs imas, rom am<br />
kompaniebSi momuSave personalma monur pirobebSi unda iSromos~<br />
irakli petriaSvili<br />
risxi Seasustos, reprezentaciulobis<br />
xarisxis Semcirebis xarjze.<br />
vfiqrob, swored es iyo joni<br />
rTvelaZis preskonferenciis Catarebisa<br />
da mis mier gakeTebuli<br />
gancxadebebis realuri mizezi.<br />
_ joni rTvelaZe profkavSirebis<br />
Tavmjdomare irakli petriaS-<br />
vils da Tqven „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” interesebis gamtare-<br />
blad migiCnevT, rogoria amaze<br />
Tqveni pasuxi?<br />
_ saqarTvelos profkavSirebis<br />
gaerTianeba, vfiqrob, yvelaze apolitikuri<br />
organizaciaa qveyana-<br />
Si da es yvelaze kargad joni rTvelaZem<br />
icis. igi sakmaod kargad<br />
icnobs profkavSiris Sida samzareulos<br />
da Tavadac am samzareulos<br />
ganuyofeli nawili iyo.<br />
joni rTvelaZe intensiurad<br />
monawileobda saqarTvelos profkavSirebis<br />
mier organizebul ara<br />
marto aqtivobebSi, aramed zogierTi<br />
aqtivobisa da strategiuli<br />
programis dagegmvaSic. man zustad<br />
icis, rom ara mxolod „nacionalur<br />
moZraobasTan”, aramed arc<br />
erT politikur subieqtTan, partiasTan,<br />
blokTan Tu politikosTan<br />
araferi gvakavSirebs.<br />
metic, 2014 wlis kazreTis gaficvis<br />
dros joni rTvelaZe CemTan<br />
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romelTa saSualebiTac vcdilobdiT<br />
gaficvis procesisTvis CamogveSorebina<br />
politikur qulebze<br />
monadire partiebi da politikosebi;<br />
romelTa CarTulobasac mu-<br />
SaTa gaficva gadahyavda araprognozirebad<br />
politikur procesebSi,<br />
rac gaficvis saboloo SedegebisTvis<br />
zianis momtani iqneboda.<br />
_ „aremji goldis” profkav-<br />
Sirebis yofili Tavmjdomare ase-<br />
ve acxadebs, rom petriaSvili da<br />
dolaberiZe kompania „aremjiSi”<br />
destabilizaciis mowyobas cdil-<br />
obdnen, rac misTvis miuRebelia...<br />
_ kidev erTxel vimeoreb: kompaniasTan<br />
mediaciis procesi jer<br />
dasrulebuli ar aris da Cven am<br />
process maqsimaluri pasuxismgeblobiT<br />
vekidebiT. miuxedavad imisa,<br />
rom mediacia rTulad mimdinareobs<br />
da, jerjerobiT, uSedegod,<br />
migvaCnia, rom saqarTveloSi<br />
sxva meqanizmi damsaqmebelTan socialuri<br />
dialogis sawarmoeblad<br />
ar arsebobs. Tqven SegiZliaT gamoiTxovoT<br />
werilobiTi informacia<br />
saqarTvelos Sromis, janmrTelobisa<br />
da socialuri dacvis saministrodan<br />
imis Sesaxeb, Tu rogor<br />
ekideba saqarTvelos profkav-<br />
Siri mediaciis process da Cven<br />
Cagvidenia Tu ara iseTi qmedeba,<br />
romelic xels SeuSlida mediacias.<br />
rTvelaZes ar dausaxelebia<br />
amis damadasturebeli arc erTi<br />
faqti da verc daasaxelebda, radgan<br />
destabilizacias rom Tavi davaneboT,<br />
ar gagvikeTebia gancxadebac<br />
ki kompaniis winaaRmdeg da es,<br />
mxolod da mxolod, imis gamo, rom<br />
mediaciisTvis ar SegveSala xeli.<br />
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riTac upasuxa, Tavadac naxeT.<br />
_ „aremji goldSi” ra proble-<br />
mebze saubrobT profkavSirebi da<br />
ra gaxda am tipis gancxadebebis<br />
safuZveli?<br />
_ kompaniaSi bolo dros ganvi-<br />
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direqtori kaxa JRenti<br />
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Si gaimarTa da mxareebi urTier-<br />
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100-100 lariT da kvebis obieqtis<br />
sadReRamiso muSaobis organizebas<br />
maqsimaluri dotaciiT.<br />
man mogvca piroba, rom profkav-<br />
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faqtebi aRar moxdeboda da uaxloes<br />
momavalSi ganvaaxlebdiT<br />
saubars joni rTvelaZis sawarmos<br />
teritoriaze Sesvlisa da wevrebTan<br />
kontaqtis saSualebis micemasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT.<br />
am Sexvedris Semdeg kaxa JRenti<br />
kompaniidan wavida da mediatorma<br />
gvirCia, gavsuliyaviT generalur<br />
direqtorze da masTan<br />
gvewarmoebina molaparakebebi. swored<br />
es vTxoveT joni rTvelaZes,<br />
rom mudmivi kontaqti hqonoda<br />
direqtoris asistentTan, raTa momxdariyo<br />
Sexvedris organizeba.<br />
saboloo jamSi, problemebi<br />
SeiZleba Semdegnairad CamovayaliboT:<br />
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sawarmoSi dasaqmebulebs waarTva<br />
saqarTvelos konstituciiT,<br />
saerTaSoriso konvenciebiT da<br />
erovnuli kanonmdeblobiT miniWebuli<br />
profkavSiris wevrobis ufleba.<br />
kompaniis administraciis warmomadgenlebma<br />
ganaxorcieles devna,<br />
zewola, iZuleba da muqara<br />
profkavSiris adgilobriv liderebsa<br />
da aqtivistebze, riTac daarRvies<br />
Sromis saerTaSoriso organizaciis<br />
#87 konvencia.<br />
kompaniam ar Seasrula 2014<br />
wlis Tebervlis gaficvis dros<br />
N37(<strong>168</strong>) 18.10-24.10.2016 w.<br />
profkavSirTan dadebuli SeTanxmeba.<br />
kompania yvelafers akeTebs imisTvis,<br />
rom mis farglebSi ar arsebobdes<br />
profkavSiri, rogorc<br />
misgan damoukidebeli institucia,<br />
riTac arRvevs Sromis saerTaSoriso<br />
organizaciis #98 konvencias.<br />
kompania, romlis profilic mxolod<br />
wiaRiseulis mopoveba da<br />
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iqonios daba kazreTSi mimdinare<br />
samoqalaqo procesebze, adamianis<br />
fundamentur uflebaTa da TavisuflebaTa<br />
SezRudvis gziT cdilobs<br />
dasaxlebis srul uzurpacias.<br />
es yvelaferi mas sWirdeba, mxolod<br />
da mxolod, imisTvis, rom<br />
kazreTSi ar arsebobdes arc erTi<br />
organizacia, romelic sazogadoebriv<br />
sawyisebze gaakontrolebs<br />
Sromis<br />
usafrTxoebis, SromiT-samarTlebriv,<br />
dasaqmebulTa socialur-ekonomikur,<br />
janmrTelobisa da<br />
higienur mdgomareobas<br />
da aseve daakvirdeba<br />
kompaniis mier warmoebuli<br />
mopovebiTi da gadamamuSavebeli<br />
procesebis garemoze zemoqmedebis<br />
xarisxs.<br />
_ ra aris gamosavali situaci-<br />
is gasaumjobeseblad?<br />
_ saqarTvelos profkavSirebis<br />
gaerTianeba da saqarTvelos metalurgiuli,<br />
samTo da qimiuri<br />
mrewvelobis muSakTa profesiuli<br />
kavSiri, iseve rogorc yovelTvis,<br />
kvlav aRiarebs Sromis saerTaSoriso<br />
organizaciis mier danergili<br />
socialuri dialogis standartis<br />
ualternativobas da momxrea, amgvari<br />
sakiTxebi wydebodes socialuri<br />
partniorobis formatiT.<br />
Cvens am iniciativebs araRirseulad<br />
pasuxobs kompania da es<br />
mxolod imis bralia, rom qveyana-<br />
Si Sesabamisi instrumentebi da<br />
meqanizmebi sakanonmdeblo doneze<br />
`miviRe gadawyvetileba, rom davtovo<br />
profkavSirebis rigebi. CemTvis miuRebelia<br />
ultimatumis eniT saubari da sabotaJis<br />
mowyobis mcdeloba, rasac ewevian petriaSvili<br />
da dolaberiZe. isini TavianTi qmedebebiT<br />
"nacionalur moZraobas" emsgavsebian, rasac<br />
vemijnebi. vtoveb profkavSirebis rigebs,<br />
radgan mimaCnia, rom profkavSirebi ar unda<br />
iyos politikurad motivirebuli da unda<br />
iyos damoukidebeli, apolitikuri<br />
organizacia~<br />
Zalian mwiria. ar arsebobs Sromis<br />
dacvis ispeqcia, Sesabamisad, samuSao<br />
adgilebze maRalia profkav-<br />
Siruli niSniT diskriminaciis<br />
faqtebi.<br />
ar muSaobs socialuri partniorobis<br />
sammxrivi saxelmwifo<br />
komisia, Sesabamisad, Sromis saer-<br />
TaSoriso organizaciis socialuri<br />
dialogis standartis danergva<br />
ver xerxdeba sawarmoebis doneze.<br />
problemas qmnis is, rom kompaniebi<br />
maqsimalurad iyeneben sakuTar<br />
finansur, Tu korporaciul<br />
siZlieres, rogorc winasaxelSekrulebo,<br />
aseve saxelSekrulebo<br />
periodSi, rac calsaxad iwvevs<br />
ufleba-movaleobaTa disbalanss<br />
SromiT procesebSi.<br />
yovelive zemoTqmulidan gamosavali<br />
aris is, rom xelisuflebam,<br />
mTavrobam, erTxel da sabolood<br />
unda aiRos valdebuleba da sxvadasxva<br />
Zalisa da interesebis mqone<br />
sazogadoebriv jgufebs Soris<br />
urTierTobebi daabalansos. amis-<br />
Tvis ki unda Seqmnas sakanonmdeblo<br />
da aRmasrulebeli meqanizmebibraldebebs<br />
pasuxobs profkav-<br />
Sirebis gaerTianebis Tavmjdomare<br />
da vazisubnis maJoritar-<br />
obis kandidati, irakli petriaS-<br />
vili:<br />
_ me vpasuxob kompania „aremji<br />
golds” da ara am kompaniis aw ukve<br />
yofil profkavSirebis Tavmjdomares,<br />
joni rTvelaZes, romelic<br />
kompaniis xelmZRvanelobam<br />
profkavSirebis gaerTianebisa da<br />
piradad Cemi diskreditaciis mcdelobisTvis<br />
Zalian uniWod gamoiyena.<br />
CemTvis cnobilia, rom rTvelaZis<br />
gancxadebas mediasaSualebebs<br />
gasavrceleblad swored „aremji<br />
goldis” pressamsaxuri ugzavnis.<br />
pirvel rigSi, madlobas vuxdi<br />
kompania „aremji golds”, rom<br />
kidev erTxel momca saSualeba,<br />
rogorc damoukidebeli maJoritarobis<br />
kandidats, sxvadasxva<br />
satelevizio eTeris saSualebiT<br />
damefiqsirebina Cemi pozicia, Tu<br />
risTvis gadavwyvite profkavSirebidan<br />
parlamentSi wasvla.<br />
swored „aremji goldis” msgavsi<br />
saxelisuflebo karis bizneskompaniebis<br />
winaaRmdeg vibrZoleb,<br />
romlebic wina xelisuflebisa da<br />
am xelisuflebis pirobebSic uxe-<br />
Sad arRveven dasaqmebulTa Sromis<br />
uflebebsa da usafrTxoebis normebs.<br />
Sevaxseneb maT, rom „xelisuflebasTan<br />
mogvarebuli biznesi”<br />
ar niSnavs imas, rom am kompaniebSi<br />
momuSave personalma monur<br />
pirobebSi unda iSromos.<br />
sanam Cems politikur SexedulebebSi<br />
Cxrekas daiwyeben, kompania<br />
„aremji golds” minda Sevaxseno, rom<br />
maTgan gansxvavebiT, arasdros ar<br />
damWirvebia kudis qicini arc erT xelisuflebasTan<br />
da dasaqmebulTa<br />
uflebebisTvis brZolisas arasodes<br />
wavsulvar kompromisze.<br />
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neli vardiaSvili<br />
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policiuri reJimi _ moqalaqeeb-<br />
is cema, Seuracxyofa da a. S. is-<br />
toriis kuTvnileba, jerjerobiT, ar gamxdara da arc sasamarT-<br />
lo sistemas gamousxams frTebi. is sasamarTlos xarvezebsa da<br />
mosamarTleTa zewolebisgan „ganTavisuflebaze” gvesaubra.<br />
imis dasamtkiceblad, rom mosamarTleTa didi nawili kvlav<br />
zemodan imarTeba, ramdenime konkretuli faqtic dagvisaxela.<br />
gia tabliaSvili:<br />
_ vTanxmdebiT, rom „nacionalebis”<br />
dros policiuri reJimi<br />
iyo, rasac cixeebSi udanaSaulod<br />
gamoketili uamravi adamiani<br />
adasturebs. 9-wliani reJimis<br />
dros piradad vmonawileobdi<br />
policiisTvis winaaRmdegobis<br />
gawevis ramdenime saqmeSi, sadac<br />
braldebulebi gaamarTles. 2012<br />
wlis pirveli oqtombris Semdeg<br />
policiisTvis winaaRmdegobis<br />
gawevis Zalian bevr saqmeSi gamamarTlebeli<br />
Sedegi dadga da<br />
policielebi gamtyundnen. maT<br />
Soris, iseT braldebulebsac vicavdi,<br />
romlebsac ramdenime pirobiTi<br />
sasjeli hqondaT policiisTvis<br />
winaaRmdegobis gawevis<br />
muxliT. sasamarTlos ganaCenSi<br />
miTiTebulia, rom es adamianebi<br />
araTu policias uwevdnen<br />
winaaRmdegobas, piriqiT,<br />
policia axorcielebda maTze<br />
Zaladobas. dacvis mxaris, anu<br />
Cven mier wardgenili myari mtkicebulebebis<br />
safuZvelze es<br />
adamianebi gamarTldnen. maT Soris<br />
SemiZlia dagisaxeloT Zalian<br />
cnobili genrix aroSiZis saqme,<br />
romelsac mosamarTle laSa<br />
CxikvaZe ixilavda. es saqme imiT<br />
iyo saintereso, rom genrix aro-<br />
SiZis cemis faqti policiis SenobaSi<br />
Cumad gadaviReT da Semdeg<br />
davurTeT saqmes. swored es<br />
masala gaxda erT-erTi yvelaze<br />
mniSvnelovani mtkicebuleba.<br />
_ advokatebis Tvalwin scem-<br />
dnen braldebulebs?<br />
_ kadrebi malulad gadaviReT,<br />
ise rom policiis Tanam-<br />
Sromlebma araferi icodnen. es<br />
videomasala aroSiZis gamarTlebis<br />
erT-erTi ZiriTadi safu-<br />
Zveli gaxda. SemdgomSi procesze<br />
aRmoCnda, rom is policiis TanamSromlis<br />
qurTuki, viTomda daxeuli<br />
braldebulis mier, aRmoCnda,<br />
rom TviTon policielma<br />
daxia, raTa saqme demZimebina.<br />
msgavsi kategoriis danaSaulis<br />
SemTxvevaSi, saakaSvilis dros,<br />
braldebuls, minimum, naxevari<br />
sicocxle warTmeuli eqneboda<br />
marto cemisa da wamebis Sedegad.<br />
garda samarTalwarmoebis procesisa,<br />
iyo Tu ar iyo damnaSave,<br />
mainc cemasa da wamebaSi xdidnen<br />
suls.<br />
_ eg gasagebia, magram kanoni<br />
rogori iyo?<br />
_ sasjeli iyo dawesebuli<br />
Cveulebrivad da is muxli dResac<br />
igivea. muxli ar Secvlila,<br />
ubralod, midgomebi Seicvala.<br />
_ ratom ar Seicvala muxli?<br />
_ ratom moxda ase, ver getyviT.<br />
policielis winaaRmdegobaze<br />
ori muxli arsebobs: erTerTi<br />
aris 373-e prima _ Tavdasxma,<br />
romelic uvado patimrobas<br />
iTvaliswinebs, rac, sxvaTa Soris,<br />
axali xelisuflebis dros<br />
Semovida. es Tavdasxmis muxli<br />
damZimebulia, Torem policiisTvis<br />
winaaRmdegobis gaweva im<br />
reJimis drosac arsebobda da _<br />
axlac. ar vambob, rom yelaferi<br />
wesrigSia, magram motivacia sxva<br />
aris. ukve arian mosamarTleebi,<br />
romlebic wminda pragmatuli,<br />
adamianuri TvalsazrisiT, obieqturad<br />
ixilaven saqmeebs. ra<br />
Tqma unda, xarvezebze meti ra<br />
aris, magram...<br />
erT-erTi yvelaze damamaxsovrebeli<br />
policiuri Zaladobis<br />
faqti moxda Zveli Tbilisis<br />
raionis policiis ganyofileba-<br />
Si da im raionis prokuraturam<br />
es saqme sasamarTloSi waradgina.<br />
maszec gamamarTlebeli ganaCeni<br />
dadga. dazaralebuls Tavi<br />
gia tabliaSvili:<br />
`saqmeSi devs<br />
eqspertis daskvna,<br />
sadac weria, rom<br />
yvela videoCanaweri,<br />
romelic braldebis<br />
mxarem warmoadgina,<br />
araavTenturia!~<br />
Suaze hqonda gapobili da iseTi<br />
nacemi iyo, gagiJdebodiT. sasamarTlom<br />
gaamarTla.<br />
_ damnaSave policielebi<br />
dasajes?<br />
_ ara, magram Cven viciT, rom,<br />
jerjerobiT, aravin dasjila,<br />
Tumca mTavari adamianis Tavisuflebaa.<br />
_ es arasworia. dausjelobis<br />
sindromiT gaTamamebuli pol-<br />
icielebi rasac akeTeben, yvelam<br />
kargad viciT...<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, swori brZandebiT,<br />
yvela damnaSave unda daisajos.<br />
daTo borCaSvils mosamarTle<br />
CxikvaZem uTxra, _ Sen<br />
ver warmogidgenia, ra xalxi gicavda.<br />
rom ara eseni, sad wavidoda<br />
Seni sasjeli, verc warmoidgeno.<br />
es, faqtobrivad, imas<br />
niSnavs, rom Tavs iqiT Zala aRar<br />
maqvso, _ Tqva mosamarTlem.<br />
_ Tqven ambobT, rom mosamar-<br />
Tlem Tqva, is am braldebulebis<br />
mimarT gamotanil gadaw-<br />
yvetilebaSi damoukidebeli ar<br />
iyo?<br />
_ daaxloebiT da es Seexeba<br />
xolme politikur saqmeebs.<br />
_ anu politikuri saqmeebi<br />
dResac aris?<br />
_ rogorc Cans. ramdenime<br />
saqmeze SemiZlia gulwrfelad<br />
vTqva, rom mosamarTlis qceva<br />
absoluturad amovardnili iyo<br />
samosamarTleo eTikidan. me ki<br />
ara, nebismieri Seatyobda, rom<br />
eTikidan iyo gasuli, imdenad<br />
araadekvaturi iyo aiup borCaSvilis<br />
saqme. iq, magaliTad, mosamarTle<br />
iseTi damfrTxali iyo...<br />
me da advokati gela nikolaiSvili<br />
vicavdiT aiup borCaSvils,<br />
giorgi xutuniSvilsa da<br />
davT firisebias. meoTxe iyo kuprava<br />
da sams me vicavdi. es iyo<br />
erTi saqme. maT braldebodaT<br />
teroristuli organizaciis<br />
wevroba _ masSi gawevrianeba da<br />
xelis Sewyoba, romelic aris<br />
327-e muxli. Tumca gasul wels,<br />
22 noembers, daviT borCaSvili<br />
daakaves, romelic daWrili iyo,<br />
is saqarTveloSi Semovida da<br />
Tbilisis aeroportSi daiWires.<br />
masac me vicavdi. aq yvela mtkicebulebaze,<br />
romelic braldebis<br />
mxarem _ prokuraturam warmoadgina,<br />
eqspertizebis daskvna<br />
gaica, rom ar iyo avTenturi _<br />
namdvili.<br />
_ ra warmoadgina eqsperti-<br />
zam?<br />
_ videokadrebi warmoadina,<br />
romelic mas prokuraturam miutana<br />
da eqspertis daskvniT es<br />
xelovnurad iyo Seqmnili. roca<br />
saqmeSi originali ar arsebobs<br />
da eqspertiza ambobs, rom ar<br />
aris avTenturi, CvenTan, sisxlis<br />
samarTlis saroceso kodeqsis<br />
78-e muxliT mtkicebulebas Zala<br />
ekargeba, magram daviT borCaSvils<br />
mainc miusajes 10 weli.<br />
sasamarTlom eqspertis daskvna<br />
18<br />
`es aris nonsensi, rodesac mosamarTle<br />
braldebuls, jer argasamarTlebul adamians,<br />
ukve uebneba, rom Sen teroristi xar, me Seni<br />
meSinia da Sen saxifaTo xaro. yvela misi<br />
gancxadeba exeboda imas, rom mas ukve dasjili<br />
hyavda es xalxi Tavis cnobierSi ganaCenamde.<br />
es sxdomis oqmebSi dafiqsirebulia. me ver<br />
getyviT, vin ra daavala mas. apriori ukve<br />
ambobda, rom me unda dagsajoTo. Zalian<br />
martivi misaxvedria~<br />
ar miiRo mtkicebulebad. yvelaze<br />
kuriozuli is iyo, rom<br />
sisxlis samarTlis saqmeSi devs<br />
eqspertis daskvna, sadac weria,<br />
rom yvela videoCanaweri, romelic<br />
braldebis mxarem warmoadgina,<br />
araavTenturia. es eqspertiza<br />
ki daniSna Tavad prokuraturam<br />
da ara Cven. miuxedavad am<br />
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procesebis kazusebi<br />
samosamarTleo eTikis gadacdomaze<br />
_ mosamarTlem darbazidan<br />
gauSva adamianebi, sxdoma<br />
daxura da zogierTi iq datova.<br />
es kanonmdeblobisTvis Zalian<br />
ucxo movlenaa da amitom...<br />
sasamarTlo praqtikaSi ukve<br />
diferenciacia xdeba da gamoikveTnen<br />
mosamarTleebi, romlebic<br />
absoluturad Seudrekelad<br />
da amayad, obieqturad da samarTlianad<br />
muSaoben, magram<br />
arian mosamarTleebi, romlebsac<br />
raRac motivaciebiT da garemoebebis<br />
gaTvaliswinebiT gamamarTlebeli<br />
ganaCenebi ver gamoaqvT,<br />
Tumca SeuZliaT, rom gamoitanon.<br />
Cveni mizani aris is, rom sasamarTlo<br />
iyos damoukidebeli,<br />
mosamarTlem miukerZoebeli ganaCeni<br />
gamoitanos, aqedan gamomdinare,<br />
unda gamovamJRavnoT<br />
mosamarTleebi, romlebsac Tundac<br />
zewola aqvT, an arasamarTlebrivad<br />
moqmedeben...<br />
rac mogiyeviT, urTulesi<br />
saqmeebi iyo. cota xnis win gvqonda<br />
mkvleloba-yaCaRobis saqme<br />
da sami piri pirdapir darbazidan<br />
gauSves, gaamarTles: maxarobliZe,<br />
CikvilaZe da arabuli.<br />
_ es, albaT, imis bralia, rom<br />
sasamarTlo sistema isev Zveli<br />
mosamarTleebiT kompleqtdeba.<br />
rogor gjeraT maTi mentalo-<br />
bis Secvlis?<br />
_ amitomac uamravi sarCeli<br />
gvaqvs naweri iusticiis umaRles<br />
sabWoSi...<br />
_ iusticiis umaRles sabWo-<br />
Si vinme dasjili ginaxavT?<br />
`roca saqmeSi originali ar arsebobs da<br />
eqspertiza ambobs, rom ar aris avTenturi,<br />
CvenTan, sisxlis samarTlis saroceso kodeqsis<br />
78-e muxliT mtkicebulebas Zala ekargeba,<br />
magram daviT borCaSvils mainc miusajes 10<br />
weli. sasamarTlom eqspertis daskvna ar miiRo<br />
mtkicebulebad. yvelaze kuriozuli is iyo, rom<br />
sisxlis samarTlis saqmeSi devs eqspertis<br />
daskvna, sadac weria, rom yvela videoCanaweri,<br />
romelic braldebis mxarem warmoadgina,<br />
araavTenturia. es eqspertiza ki daniSna Tavad<br />
prokuraturam da ara Cven. miuxedavad am<br />
daskvnisa, sasamarTlom ganacxada: mere ra, rom<br />
ar aris avTenturio? rac niSnavs 78-e muxlis<br />
uaryofas. mosamarTle iyo laSa CxikvaZe da is<br />
am SemTxvevaSi zewolis qveS gaxldaT, Tavad<br />
gadawyvita es, Tu ra moxda, Cemgan amis Sesaxeb<br />
raimes mtkiceba Zalian Zneli iqneba, garkveuli<br />
mosazreba ki, cxadia, maqvs~<br />
daskvnisa, sasamarTlom ganacxada:<br />
mere ra, rom ar aris avTenturio?<br />
rac niSnavs 78-e muxlis<br />
uaryofas. mosamarTle iyo laSa<br />
CxikvaZe da is am SemTxvevaSi zewolis<br />
qveS gaxldaT, Tavad gadawyvita<br />
es Tu ra moxda, Cemgan<br />
amis Sesaxeb raimes mtkiceba Zalian<br />
Zneli iqneba, garkveuli<br />
mosazreba ki, cxadia, maqvs.<br />
aiup borCaSvilis saqmeze ki<br />
mosamarTle iyo sxilaZe, romelic,<br />
sxvaTa Soris, iusticiis sab-<br />
Wom dasaja. mag procesze TvalnaTliv<br />
Canda, rom es mosamar-<br />
Tle Zalian SeSinebuli iyo,<br />
pirdapir procesze acxadebda, me<br />
amaT ver gavuSvebo. warmogidgeniaT,<br />
amas ambobda mosamarTle<br />
da yvela uyurebda.<br />
_ mainc, rogor acxadebda?<br />
_ rogor da eseni teroristebi,<br />
Zalian saSiSebi ariano da amas<br />
is ambobda ganaCenamde. es xom<br />
nonsensia? prokurors ramdenjerme<br />
SeniSvna miveci da bolos<br />
orives vuTxari, _ mogiwevT umuSevrad<br />
darCena-meTqi. es procesze<br />
vTqvi da ra Tqma unda,<br />
mosamarTlem araferi mipasuxa.<br />
aris xolme iseTi saqmeebi, rodesac<br />
mosamarTle pirdapir sasamarTlo<br />
sxdomaze gagrZnobinebs,<br />
an geubneba, rom es CemTvis ganaCenamde<br />
ukve damnaSaveao.<br />
_ es dakveTaa, xom?<br />
_ es aris nonsensi, rodesac<br />
mosamarTle braldebuls, jer<br />
argasamarTlebul adamians, ukve<br />
uebneba, rom Sen teroristi xar,<br />
me Seni meSinia da Sen saxifaTo<br />
xaro. yvela misi gancxadeba exeboda<br />
imas, rom mas ukve dasjili<br />
hyavda es xalxi Tavis cnobierSi<br />
ganaCenamde. es sxdomis oqmebSi<br />
dafiqsirebulia. me ver getyviT,<br />
vin ra daavala mas. apriori ukve<br />
ambobda, rom me unda dagsajo-<br />
To. Zalian martivi misaxvedria.<br />
_ amitom aris am mosamarT-<br />
lis saqme iusticiis sabWoSi?<br />
_ iusticiis sabWoSi am mosamarTlis<br />
mimarT saCivari Sevida<br />
`me da advokati gela nikolaiSvili vicavdiT aiup<br />
borCaSvils, giorgi xutuniSvilsa da davT<br />
firisebias. meoTxe iyo kuprava da sams me vicavdi.<br />
es iyo erTi saqme. maT braldebodaT<br />
teroristuli organizaciis wevroba - masSi<br />
gawevrianeba da xelis Sewyoba, romelic aris 327-e<br />
muxli. Tumca gasul wels, 22 noembers, daviT<br />
borCaSvili daakaves, romelic daWrili iyo, is<br />
saqarTveloSi Semovida da Tbilisis aeroportSi<br />
daiWires. masac me vicavdi. aq yvela<br />
mtkicebulebaze, romelic braldebis mxarem -<br />
prokuraturam warmoadgina, eqspertizebis daskvna<br />
gaica, rom ar iyo avTenturi - namdvili~<br />
_ jemal kopaliani SarSan Cven<br />
gavaTavisuflebineT 21 seqtembers.<br />
8 Tvis mere ki kvlav<br />
daniSnes. saakaSvilis dros mosamarTleebis<br />
erTi nawili iyo,<br />
romlebsac samsaxuris dakargvis<br />
eSinodaT da bunebrivia, xelisuflebis<br />
nebas dahyvebodnen. Tumca<br />
iyvnen mosamarTleebi, romlebic<br />
yvelanair zomas gadadiodnen,<br />
amcirebdnen, Seuracxyofas<br />
ayenebdnen da amas maT<br />
aravin avalebda. isini sakuTari<br />
nebiT moqmedebdnen ase.<br />
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e. w. megobruli rCevebis<br />
saxiT, sadac aRwerdnen, ra iyo<br />
mosalodneli ubnebze da ra<br />
unda daepirispirebinaT mis-<br />
Tvis. es ar momxdara”, _ ambobs<br />
enm-dan saubno komisiis wevri<br />
T.i.<br />
„Sedegad, ise moxda, rom Cven<br />
Zalianac gafacicebuli viyaviT,<br />
yvelafers vakontrolebdiT,<br />
magram bolos aRmoCnda,<br />
rom raRacebi mainc gamogvepara,<br />
bolos da bolos, iq mainc,<br />
sadac ubanSi Cvenze gamocdilebi<br />
iyvnen”.<br />
arada, Cvens xelT arsebuli<br />
informaciiT, „qarTul ocnebas”<br />
ubnebze, praqtikulad, yvelgan<br />
Zveli, gamocdili kadrebi<br />
hyavda. am saxelisuflebo<br />
partiis damkvirvebelTa Soris<br />
Zalian cotani iyvnen axalbedebi<br />
da Tu iyvnen, saarCevno detalebSi,<br />
maqinaciebsa da sxva<br />
ambebSi bevrad ukeT erkveodnen,<br />
vidre maTi kolegebi enm-dan.<br />
meore sakiTxia ukve mizanmimarTuli<br />
monawileoba gayalbebaSi,<br />
romelsac mere veravin Secvlis,<br />
radgan iuridiulad yvela<br />
safexuri zustadaa gavlili<br />
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zRvarze ukve meored dgas!<br />
da aranairi darRveva ar SeiniSneba.<br />
es e. w. Semoxazuli biuletenebia,<br />
romlebic baTilad<br />
cnes imis gamo, rom masze erTze<br />
meti saarCevno subieqti iyo<br />
Semoxazuli. saqme is gaxldaT,<br />
rom amomrCevelma ki sworad,<br />
anu mxolod erTi Semoxaza, magram<br />
xmebis daTvlis dros am<br />
biuletenebze viRacam kidev<br />
erTxel Semoxaza sxva nomeri,<br />
ris Semdegac, cxadia, biuleteni<br />
gabaTilda.<br />
rogor SeiZleba, msgavsi ram<br />
moxdes komisiis uklebliv yvela<br />
wevris Tanxmobis gareSe? anu<br />
Tu, vTqvaT, enm-s warmomadgeneli<br />
winaaRmdegia am garigebis,<br />
rogor unda gavigoT, rom oqmze<br />
misi xelmowera da beWedicaa?<br />
niSnavs Tu ara es imas, rom enms<br />
warmomadgenlebzec bevri kiTxvis<br />
niSani unda daisvas?<br />
ramdenia aseTi formiT (anu<br />
xelmeored SemoxazviT) gaba-<br />
sijboqsi, rom Tvalebi daexu-<br />
WaT?<br />
swored am da sxva SekiTxvebze<br />
pasuxis gasarkvevad dairazmnen<br />
socialur qselebSi enm-s momxreebi.<br />
isini am azrTa WidilSi<br />
marto ar yofilan: paralelurad,<br />
enm-s Signidanac ekveTnen<br />
erTmaneTs sxvadasxva azrebi.<br />
axla swored amazea ZiriTadi<br />
dapirispireba da ara imaze,<br />
unda Sesuliyvnen Tu ara enm-s<br />
wevrebi parlamentSi. arCevneb-<br />
Si naCvenebi Sedegebis ganxilvam<br />
da aseTi Sedegis mizezebis<br />
Cakirkitebulma moZiebam, SeTqmulebis<br />
Teoriis momxreTa simravlis<br />
fonze, yvela sxva qmedeba<br />
gadafara.<br />
swored amitom, Tamamad Sei-<br />
Zleba iTqvas, rom arsebobis manZilze<br />
ukve meored, enm yofna-aryofnis<br />
zRvarze dgas. an<br />
partia pasuxs gascems yvela SekiTxvas<br />
da darCeba amomrCeve-<br />
cxovreba man unda warmarTos.<br />
saakaSvilis distancirebis<br />
momxreebs partiaSi mimdinare<br />
procesebi Zalian moswonT da<br />
„meti demokratiis” principiT<br />
moqmedeben. partiis wesdeba gansazRvravs,<br />
rom partiis politsabWoSi<br />
aranakleb 24 wevrisa<br />
unda iyos, bolo yrilobaze ar-<br />
Ceuli politsabWo ki 50 wevrisgan<br />
Sedgeba. is gadawyvetilebas<br />
umravlesobiT iRebs. partiis<br />
politsabWos Tavmjdomaris,<br />
Tundac partiis lideris pozicia<br />
arafers cvlis: kenWisyra<br />
farulia da wesiT, aravin icis,<br />
vin ras aZlevs xmas.<br />
kacma rom Tqvas, es strategia<br />
demokratiulia da misaRebic.<br />
magram misi mowinaaRmdegeebic<br />
arseboben, romlebic am<br />
yvelaferSi lideris ignorirebas<br />
xedaven. maTTvis mTavaria,<br />
gadamwyveti sityvis ufleba<br />
hqondes liders. _ politsab-<br />
„mgoni, xmis micemis dasrulebis<br />
Semdeg, zogierTi adamiani,<br />
erTmaneTTan saqmis garCevis<br />
nacvlad, mtkicebulebebis<br />
sistematizaciiT rom dakavebuliyo,<br />
yvela regionSi davamtkicebdiT<br />
masobriv gayalbebas.<br />
marto aWaraSi gauqmebuli (e. i.<br />
amomrCevlebis moparuli) 25<br />
aTasi biuleteni ramdens niSnavs.<br />
axlac ar aris dakarguli<br />
Sansi, faqtebi ukeTesad gavaanalizoT<br />
da rodesac amis dro<br />
mova, arCevnebis moparvisTvis<br />
pasuxi vagebinoT am didi aferis<br />
damgegmavebsa da ZiriTad<br />
ganmaxorcieleblebs.<br />
madlobeli var yvela aqtivistis,<br />
vinc miuxedavad zewolisa,<br />
gulmodgineT agrovebs am<br />
mtkicebulebebs”.<br />
saakaSvilis am gancxadebaSi<br />
ori miniSnebaa: is viRacebs<br />
sayvedurobs, rom „erTmaneT-<br />
Tan saqmis garCeviT” ar unda<br />
lad, roca arCevnebi dasrulda,<br />
ceskom ki pirveladi Sedegebi<br />
gamoacxada, ceskos win enms<br />
mxardamWerebi nika melias mowodebis<br />
mere Seikribnen da pirdapir<br />
ganacxades, rom biZina<br />
ivaniSvilma arCevnebi gaayalba.<br />
iyo mowodebac: „Tavs SegaklavaT,<br />
xmebs ar mogaparinebT”,<br />
ramac radiklalurad ki ganawyo<br />
amomrCevelTa nawili, magram<br />
gagrZeleba, muxti ar mohyolia.<br />
ori saaTis Semdeg isev ceskosTan<br />
daniSnul mitingze enm-s<br />
mxardamWerebi ki mividnen, magram<br />
iq partiis liderebi ukve<br />
frTaSekvecilebi, zomierad<br />
molaparakeni daxvdnen. saxalxo<br />
aqciebi gadaido.<br />
mogvianebiT, enm-s wevrTa nawilma<br />
ganmarta, ratom ar daiwyes<br />
saxalxo gamosvlebi da aqciebi:<br />
„suraTi Zalian bundovani<br />
iyo. amave dros, modioda monacemebi<br />
ubnebidan, rom yve-<br />
Tilebuli biuletenebis xvedriTi<br />
wili im 137.000 biuleten-<br />
Si? saerTod, vinmes enm-s partiaSi,<br />
politsabWoSi, mouvida<br />
TavSi, rom Sidamokvlevis msgavsi<br />
saqmianoba CaetarebinaT,<br />
raTa gamovleniliyo saeWvo ubnebi,<br />
sadac enm-s warmomadgenlebi<br />
scodavdnen? amis gakeTeba<br />
Zalian advili iyo, magram gakeTda?<br />
Tu imas gaviTvaliswinebT,<br />
rom enm-s, arCevnebis Semdeg,<br />
faqtobrivad, Sida saqmianobisTvis<br />
ar mouclia, savaraudod,<br />
arc aseTi ubnebis sia<br />
arsebobs.<br />
im SemTxvevaSi, Tuki SevTanxmdebiT,<br />
rom enm-s warmomadgenlebma<br />
komisiaSi ara erT an<br />
sam, aramed mTeli saqarTvelos<br />
masStabiT ramdenime aTeul ubanSi<br />
erTnairad Sescodes, maSin<br />
Semdeg safexurze unda gadavideT:<br />
moqmedebdnen isini Tavian-<br />
Ti nebiT da forma mTeli saqarTvelos<br />
masStabiT, ubralod,<br />
daemTxva, Tu es maTTvis micemuli<br />
davaleba iyo _ saerTo me-<br />
lTan, an partia momavali nabijiT<br />
kidev ufro meti nawiliT<br />
daSordeba amomrCevels.<br />
TavisTavad cxadia, yvela xedavs,<br />
rom partiis ara marto<br />
mxardamWerebSi, aramed Tavad<br />
politsabWos wevrebSic ki midis<br />
saboloo danawileba saakaSvilis<br />
momxreTa da mowinaaRmdegeTa<br />
banakSi.<br />
oRond Tu viRacas hgonia,<br />
rom es „banakebad dayofa” saakaSvilis<br />
dagmobas niSnavs, ase<br />
namdvilad ar aris: orive mxare<br />
Tanxmdeba, rom mixeil saakaSvili<br />
udidesi mniSvnelobis<br />
mqone politikosia da enm-sTan<br />
sul iqneba asocirebuli.<br />
aq saqme sxva ram gaxlavT:<br />
partiasa da mxardamWerebSi zogi<br />
miiCnevs, rom saakaSvili cota<br />
xniT unda distancirdes<br />
enm-sgan da saerTod, pauza ai-<br />
Ros saqarTvelos politikur<br />
procesebSi Carevisgan, nawils<br />
ki miaCnia, rom piriqiT, ufro<br />
aqtiurad unda warmoCindes da<br />
saerTod, enm-s politikuri<br />
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Wos 50 wevri? amdeni ra saWiroa?<br />
ra aucilebelia, yvelas<br />
hqondes xmis ufleba? ar sjobia,<br />
gamocdilma politikosma<br />
gadawyvitos iseTi sakiTxi, rogoric<br />
parlamentSi Sesvlaa? _<br />
amboben isini. da maTi raodenoba,<br />
rogori gasakviric unda iyos,<br />
bevrad aWarbebs meti demokratiis<br />
principis momxreTa raodenobas.<br />
swored maTgan modis<br />
SekiTxvebic, _ ratom ver aCvena<br />
enm-m ukeTesi Sedegi, roca<br />
amis perspeqtiva arsebobda?<br />
rogorc Cans, Tavad enm-s damfuZnebeli<br />
da ucvlel liderad<br />
miCneuli mixeil saakaSvilic<br />
maT pozicias iziarebs,<br />
vinc miiCnevs, rom arCevnebis<br />
Sedegebis gamocxadebis Semdeg<br />
enm mTlad sworad ver moiqca.<br />
mis gancxadebaSi orazrovneba<br />
da dasjis dapireba erTdroulad<br />
gamosWvivis. iseTi STabe-<br />
Wdileba grCeba kacs, rom mixeil<br />
saakaSvili gareSe da Sinaur<br />
mtrebs erTobliv mimarTvas<br />
ugzavnis:<br />
dakavebuliyaviT da darRvevebi<br />
aRgeniSnaTo da meore, _ am<br />
didi aferis organizatorebi<br />
da monawileebi male gamovlindebian<br />
da daisjebiano.<br />
vinc saakaSvilis gancxadebebis<br />
stils icnobs, advilad<br />
dagveTanxmeba, rom gancxadebis<br />
meore nawilSic ki, romelic<br />
pirdapir moiTxovs miniSnebas,<br />
saakaSvils aRar dausaxelebia<br />
„qarTuli ocneba”, ase rom, Sei-<br />
Zleba vigulisxmoT: saakaSvili<br />
momxreebs mouwodebda, faqtebi<br />
SevagrovoT da roca dro<br />
mova, am procesis monawile Cvenianebs<br />
pasuxi movTxovoTo.<br />
Cveni informaciiT, TviTon<br />
partiaSic, misi sakmaod didi nawili<br />
miiCnevs, rom enm-sa da „ocnebas”<br />
Soris garigeba Tu ar Semdgara,<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, es Sedegi,<br />
Semdeg ki enm-s politsabWos<br />
gadawyvetileba da umeteswilad,<br />
liderTa dumili masobrivi gayalbebis<br />
gamo raRac damatebiTi<br />
faqtorebiTaa gamowveuli.<br />
Tavad gansajeT: Tavdapirve-<br />
laferi mSvidad da normalur<br />
viTarebaSi Catarda da „ocnebam”<br />
moigo. anu es Tavdapirveli<br />
isterika cru gangaSi aRmoCnda.<br />
mere imaze daiwyo laparaki,<br />
Cvenebma ver ivargeso.<br />
es, faqtobrivad, Tbiliss exeba,<br />
regionebSi ra xdeboda, ar<br />
vici”, _ ambobs c.k.<br />
partiaSi saakaSvilis momxremowinaaRmdegeebs<br />
Soris amjerad<br />
politsabWosa da, zogadad,<br />
enm-s vertikalSi moratoriumia<br />
gamocxadebuli, magram, rogorc<br />
Cans, es didxans ar gastans.<br />
miT umetes, rom mcdeloba<br />
ki iyo, magram ganxilva ar Semwydara<br />
„feisbuqze”. saakaSvilis<br />
mier ki xmis amoReba, misi postis<br />
Sinaarsi da is, rom mas mere,<br />
faqtobrivad, araferi dauweria,<br />
etyoba, imas niSnavs,<br />
rom enm-s SigniT Camovardnili<br />
dumili qariSxliswina siCumes<br />
hgavs da arCevnebis meore turis<br />
Semdeg mamxilebel-mtkicebulebiTi<br />
formebiT saubari da<br />
dapirispireba ganaxldeba.<br />
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neli vardiaSvili<br />
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borjomSi<br />
maJoritaruli<br />
arCevnebi gedevan fofxaZem pirvelsave turSi moigo. es aravis<br />
gahkvirvebia, radgan, winasaarCevnod, borjomSi Zalian xSirad<br />
xedavdnen samTavrobo elitis warmomadgenlebs, romlebic mas<br />
gverdiT edgnen da rogorc ityvian xolme, zurgs umagrebdnen.<br />
isini, yovelTvis, ra Tqma unda, VIP sastumros binadrebi iyvnen.<br />
rogor? xelfasi ramdeni aqvT? gedevanma dapatiJa, Tu Tavad<br />
im sastumros xelmZRvanelma, romelSic dRe-Rame erTi adami-<br />
anis gaCereba 200-evrodan iwyeba? am sasacilo kiTxvebs serio-<br />
zul da kompetentur pasuxebs, albaT, cota xanSi „qronika+”<br />
gascems da imasac ityvis, ra miiRo biznesmenma elitisa da kan-<br />
didatis maspinZlobis safasurad. axla ki arCevnebis Temaze...<br />
giorgi giuaSvili _ „leibor-<br />
istuli partiis” maJoritarobis<br />
yofili kandidati borjomSi:<br />
_ winasaarCevnod, ra Tqma unda,<br />
administraciuli resursi<br />
sruli datvirTviT gamoiyeneboda.<br />
saarCevno agitaciis dros gedevan<br />
fofxaZe Tavisi komitetis<br />
avtomanqaniT gadaadgildeboda<br />
ubnebsa da soflebSi. mas beselia<br />
da kobaxiZec kvaldakval dahyvebodnen<br />
da gedevans Savbnel saqmeebSi<br />
ise exmarebodnen, rogorc,<br />
Tavis droze, maT fofxaZe exmareboda.<br />
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xvdebodnen mosaxleobasa da<br />
sajaro moxeleebs. ufro sworad,<br />
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xalxs, isini ki mxolod Sexvedrebs<br />
atarebdnen. mokled, maT yvelanairi<br />
piroba hqondaT Seqmnili,<br />
rom Seuferxeblad, damatebi-<br />
Ti wvrilmani problemebisa da<br />
wvalebis gareSe emoqmedaT, Cven<br />
ki yanebsa da mindvrebSi veZebdiT<br />
xalxs.<br />
_ vin axvedrebda maT Sekre-<br />
bil xalxs?<br />
_ ra Tqma unda, sajaro pirebi:<br />
rwmunebulebi, gamgeblebi...<br />
msgavsi sakiTxebis organizeba<br />
saxelmwifo doneze xdeboda. erT<br />
Zalian mniSvnelovan faqtze minda,<br />
gavamaxvilo Cemi yuradReba:<br />
aspinZis erT-erT sofelSi, sadac<br />
beselia da fofxaZe imyofebodnen,<br />
isini mosaxleobas xmebis<br />
miRebis sanacvlod konkretuli<br />
dakavebuli piris cixidan gamoSvebas<br />
dahpirdnen. marTlac im<br />
soflidan fofxaZem 90%-iani mxardaWera<br />
miiRo, arCevnebis Catarebidan<br />
ori-sami dRis Tavze ki<br />
aRniSnuli patimari cixidan gaa-<br />
Tavisufles. axlac vcdilob mtkicebulebebis<br />
mopovebas, romelic<br />
advili ar aris. es saqme, Tavis<br />
droze, gaxmaurebuli iyo. ramdenadac<br />
CemTvis cnobili gaxda,<br />
is pirovneba Cinovniki gaxldaT,<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, _ yofili<br />
„naci” da saWiro figura. faqti<br />
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is aris, rom igi aqamde dakavebuli<br />
iyo da axla marTlac Tavisufalia.<br />
danarCens amjerad arafers<br />
getyviT da roca Tavidan<br />
bolomde gamovikvlev, rac moxda,<br />
detalurad, pirvelad Tqven<br />
mogiyvebiT.<br />
_ Tu sworad gavige, „nacionali”<br />
„ocnebis” warmomadgen-<br />
lebma gaaTavisufles, arCevnebi<br />
rom moegoT?<br />
_ diax, yofili „naci” iyo da<br />
axla ras warmoadgens, an ra mizeziT<br />
daakaves, am detalebs vswavlob.<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, sofels<br />
uyvars da misi ganTavisufleba<br />
moiTxova, cxadia, xmebis sanacvlod.<br />
xom xedavT, amjerad, am<br />
soflis saxelsac ar geubnebiT,<br />
mogvianebiT ki am saqmis yvela<br />
detals aRgiwerT. CemTvis cnobilia<br />
isic, rom „nacionalebis”<br />
kandidatsac Seutyvia es ambavi,<br />
magram xmac ar amouRia, radgan is<br />
piri misi axlobeli yofila da<br />
adamianuri TvalsazrisiT masac<br />
awyobda momxdari, Sesabamisad, es<br />
faqti ar gauprotestebia. orive<br />
mxarisTvis kargi saqme gakeTda<br />
yofili patimris gamoSvebiT _<br />
„nacebic” dasaCuqrdnen da _ „qocebic”.<br />
es faqti rom cota adre<br />
gamego, aucileblad sxvanairad<br />
gavaxmaurebdi. rac Seexeba arCevnebis<br />
mimdinareobas, amas fulze<br />
gayiduli xmebi hqvia da ara<br />
arCevnebi, sxvanairad, ubralod,<br />
ver Sevafaseb. 150-300-lariani<br />
giorgi giuaSvili:<br />
`beselia da fofxaZe<br />
mosaxleobas xmebis<br />
sanacvlod konkretuli<br />
patimris cixidan<br />
gamoSvebas dahpirdnen<br />
da Seasrules kidec!~<br />
„ocnebis” koordinatorebi muSaobdnen<br />
sruli datvirTviT, TiToeul<br />
xmaze 3-5 lari rigdeboda.<br />
_ xma rogor mohqondaT<br />
saarCevno ubnamde?<br />
_ siebs akeTebdnen, koordinatori<br />
Camowerda Tavis momxreebs,<br />
„averbovkebda” viTom xalxs, Semdeg<br />
sias aCvenebda imas, vinc<br />
fuls arigebda, rom ai, esa da es<br />
adamianebi me maZleven xmaso. amgvarad,<br />
koordinators calke<br />
aZlevdnen fuls TiToeul motanil<br />
xmaze.<br />
`winasaarCevnod, ra Tqma unda,<br />
administraciuli resursi sruli datvirTviT<br />
gamoiyeneboda. saarCevno agitaciis dros<br />
gedevan fofxaZe Tavisi komitetis<br />
avtomanqaniT gadaadgildeboda ubnebsa da<br />
soflebSi. mas beselia da kobaxiZec<br />
kvaldakval dahyvebodnen da gedevans Savbnel<br />
saqmeebSi ise exmarebodnen, rogorc, Tavis<br />
droze, maT fofxaZe exmareboda. dadiodnen<br />
soflebSi da xvdebodnen mosaxleobasa da<br />
sajaro moxeleebs. ufro sworad, maT ukve<br />
axvedrebdnen Sekrebil xalxs, isini ki<br />
mxolod Sexvedrebs atarebdnen. mokled, maT<br />
yvelanairi piroba hqondaT Seqmnili, rom<br />
Seuferxeblad, damatebiTi wvrilmani<br />
problemebisa da wvalebis gareSe emoqmedaT,<br />
Cven ki yanebsa da mindvrebSi veZebdiT xalxs~<br />
_ ki magram, xom SeiZleboda,<br />
es tyuili yofiliyo?<br />
_ ara, radgan maT siaSi Camowerili<br />
adamianebis piradi monacemebic<br />
hqondaT da, saerTod, ar<br />
gamovricxav, rom xalxSic didi<br />
raodenobiT fuli darigda xmebis<br />
sanacvlod, radgan maTi amxela<br />
mxardaWeris axsna sxvagvarad<br />
SeuZlebelia. sul cota xniT<br />
adre mosaxleobis TiTqmis 90%<br />
lanZRva-ginebiT ixseniebda „ocnebas”,<br />
maS, rogor miiRes amxela<br />
mxardaWera?! _ ra Tqma unda, gayalbebiT.<br />
TviTon borjomis olq-<br />
Si, met-naklebad, simSvide iyo,<br />
magram iq, sadac darRvevebi dafiqsirda,<br />
mwvaneformiani komisiis<br />
wevrebi saarCevno ubnis gare-<br />
Tac gamodiodnen da agitaciasac<br />
atarebdnen. biuletenebis raodenobas<br />
rac Seexeba, sakmaod bevria<br />
dakarguli, balansi ar jdeba<br />
bevr ubanze, rogorc maJoritar-<br />
Si, ise proporciulSi.<br />
_ es ras niSnavs?<br />
_ warmoidgineT, rom erT-erT<br />
konkretul ubanze saarCevno biuletenebis<br />
jami Seadgenda 300<br />
erTeuls da arCevanis gasakeTebladac<br />
samasive amomrCeveli gamocxadda.<br />
daTvlisas biuletenebidan<br />
baTilad rom ecnoT Tundac<br />
naxevari, biuletenebis saer-<br />
To raodenoba isev 300 unda yofiliyo.<br />
saqme ki is aris, rom, faqtobrivad,<br />
yvela ubans aklda biuletenebis<br />
garkveuli raodenoba,<br />
anu isini gareT gaitanes, risi<br />
saSualebiTac bevrgan karuseli<br />
datrialda. rogorc vici, msgavsi<br />
SemTxvevebi sxvaganac xdeboda.<br />
_ darCenili biuletenebi sad<br />
wavida?<br />
_ is biuletenebi, romlebic<br />
ar gaixarja, ukan brundeba da<br />
maT ukve aRaravin aqcevs yuradRebas.<br />
_ daabrunes Tu ara, aravin<br />
icis?<br />
_ savaraudod, daabrunebdnen,<br />
magram mag sakiTxze veRar gavamaxvileT<br />
yuradReba, radgan<br />
sxva, ufro mniSvnelovani davebi<br />
gvqonda. saqme is gaxlavT, rom<br />
borjoms SemouerTes avadsaxsenebeli<br />
axalqalaqis ubani. Cven,<br />
ra Tqma unda, winaaRmdegebi<br />
viyaviT, magram vin SegvekiTxa?<br />
swored am axalqalaqis ubnidan<br />
mopovebuli xmebiT gadaurCa<br />
gedevan fofxaZe meore turs.<br />
katastrofuli mdgomareobaa<br />
axalqalaqis soflebis umetes<br />
nawilSi. magaliTad, piradad 6<br />
ubanze Sevitane saCivari: me-17,<br />
me-18, 21-e, 43-e, 44-e da 48-e ubnebze.<br />
es is 6 ubania, romlebzec<br />
aranairi balansi ar jdeba. oqmebis<br />
TariRebic ki areulia, mo-<br />
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qmed TariRs dilis dro aqvs mi-<br />
TiTebuli, rac safuZvlian eWvs<br />
badebs, rom es oqmebi yvela gayalbebulia<br />
da, realurad, isini<br />
gzaSia Sedgenili winaswar, viRac<br />
gaunaTlebeli xalxis mier da ra<br />
drosac Seadgines, is dro miu-<br />
TiTes. balansebi arazustia, daklebulia<br />
Zalian bevri biuleteni.<br />
Cveni saCivari me-17 ubnis Sesaxeb,<br />
romelic yvelaze metad iyo<br />
sadavo, ceskom ar dagvikmayofila.<br />
aRniSnul ubnebze davafiqsireT<br />
kidev erTi saeWvo garemoeba:<br />
21:30wT-ze Sedgenilia orive<br />
oqmi, proporciulic da ma-<br />
Joritarulic. Tu es oqmebi gadawerili<br />
aris, ubralod, gamoricxulia,<br />
komisiis Tavmjdomarem<br />
erT wuTSi moaxerxos erTdroulad<br />
ori amxela oqmis Sedgena.<br />
me-17 olqSi oqmi gadakeTebulic<br />
iyo: fofxaZes 240 ewera, anu 24<br />
win Camatebuli hqonda. am SesworebasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT aranairi<br />
axsnaganmartebiTi baraTi ar<br />
gakeTebula. arada, da kanonSi<br />
pirdapir weria, rom nebismieri<br />
Sesworebuli muxli baTilia, an<br />
Sesworebas unda mohyves axsnaganmartebiTi<br />
baraTi imis Sesaxeb,<br />
Tu ra Secdomaa daSvebuli. Cven<br />
es faqtic gavasaCivreT da moviTxoveT<br />
gaxsna-gadaTvla, magram<br />
es moTxovna arafriT dagvikmayofila<br />
borjomis saolqo komisiis<br />
Tavmjdomarem, romelic pirdapiri<br />
wesiT „apravebda” momxdars.<br />
is adamiani, romelmac piradad<br />
Seadgina oqmebi, komisiaze Camoiyvanes<br />
da man wamoayrantala, rom<br />
policia gvaCqarebda da gveubneboda,<br />
droze SeadgineTo. ar gvecala<br />
axnaganmartebiTi baraTebis<br />
sawerad, Secdomebi ki imitom<br />
davuSviT, rom xalxi mogvyavda<br />
arCevnebzeo. iqneb, vinmem icodes,<br />
komisiis Tavmjdomares ratom<br />
unda mieyvana xalxi arCevnebze?!<br />
Tu ar vcdebi, is ubanSi unda yofiliyo<br />
da mxolod Tavisi saqme<br />
ekeTebina, ase araa?! es yvelaferi<br />
imaze miuTiTebs, rom udidesi<br />
darRvevebiT Catarda arCevnebi,<br />
gansakuTrebiT axalqalaqis<br />
„bnel” soflebSi, sadac Cven damkvirvebeli<br />
ar gvyavda da aqedan<br />
gamomdinare, iq ra Cayares yuTeb-<br />
Si, an ra Seavses, TviTonac ar<br />
ician.<br />
_ ambobdnen, rom yalbi pira-<br />
dobis mowmobebi daibeWda da,<br />
ZiriTadad, am gziT ayal-<br />
bebdnen xmebs, Tqven<br />
xom ar SeginiSnavT msgavsi ram?<br />
_ amaze verafers getyviT, imitom<br />
rom TviTon axalqalaqSi ar<br />
viyavi. me, ubralod, oqmebi Camivarda<br />
xelSi da TariRebi.<br />
_ saerTo ganwyoba rogori<br />
iyo, xalxs visi gamarjveba undo-<br />
da?<br />
_ ase gadaWriT ver getyviT,<br />
yovel SemTxvevaSi, „ocnebis” kandidatis<br />
gagoneba ar undodaT,<br />
saSineli damokidebuleba hqondaT<br />
mis mimarT, arc maTi partiis<br />
mimarT iyo dadebiTi damokidebuleba,<br />
yvela fofxaZes aginebda<br />
da lanZRavda. is saswaulad<br />
gaZvra, faqtobrivad, imuSava<br />
„nacebi modian” propagandam...<br />
„leiboristuli partiis” winaa-<br />
Rmdeg dawyebulma propagandamac<br />
gaWra Taviseburad, SatberaSvilis<br />
saSinelma saqcielmac imoqmeda<br />
Cven winaaRmdeg. aseve gamoiyenes<br />
Jurnalisti ramiSvili. samwuxarod,<br />
kvlav wamoego xalxi am<br />
Sarlatanebis TamaSs, aseve darigebul<br />
fuls daxarbda. Zalian sando<br />
wyaroebidan vici, rom uSiSroeba<br />
seriozulad muSaobda.<br />
_ rogor muSaobda?<br />
_ ZiriTadad, saRamos saaTeb-<br />
Si, pirdapir ukavSirdebodnen<br />
amomrCevlebs, naxulobdnen maT,<br />
elaparakebodnen, zogs manqanaSi<br />
gedevan fofxaZe<br />
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`borjomis olqSi, met-naklebad, simSvide iyo,<br />
magram iq, sadac darRvevebi dafiqsirda,<br />
mwvaneformiani komisiis wevrebi saarCevno<br />
ubnis gareTac gamodiodnen da agitaciasac<br />
atarebdnen. biuletenebis raodenobas rac<br />
Seexeba, sakmaod bevria dakarguli, balansi<br />
ar jdeba bevr ubanze, rogorc maJoritarSi,<br />
ise proporciulSi~<br />
isvamdnen da ise „amuSavebdnen”.<br />
Tumca arCevnebi gayalbda ara<br />
marto uSiSroebiT. sadac sWirdebodaT<br />
da ra doziTac, administraciuli<br />
resursi gamoiyenes.<br />
gedi fofxaZem axaldabaSi (romelic<br />
erT-erTi yvelaze didi dabaa<br />
borjomSi) 15 seqtembridan<br />
daiwyo maswavleblad muSaoba,<br />
cxadia, piaris mizniT. am xalxs<br />
Sehpirda, 4 weli rom ver gxedavdiT,<br />
axla sul TqvenTan unda<br />
viyo da maswavleblad viwyeb<br />
muSaobaso.<br />
_ marTla iwyebs?<br />
_ skolaSi daiwyo gakveTilebis<br />
Catareba da, faqtobrivad, am<br />
dabis xalxi miimxro. fizikurad<br />
rogor unda gaagrZelos iq<br />
muSaoba, eg ar vici, warmoudgenelia.<br />
moatyua xalxi.<br />
_ ra moutana gedi fofxaZis<br />
deputatobam borjoms da axla<br />
ras moutans?<br />
_ aqamde araferi moutania<br />
tyuilisa da imedgacruebis garda<br />
da, albaT, axlac ase iqneba. es<br />
dapirebebi nel-nela daaviwydebaT<br />
da magis magineblebs mere<br />
kidev ufo bevrs naxavT, romlebmac<br />
axla mxari dauWires.<br />
_ rogor, saerTod araferi<br />
gaukeTebia borjomis raion-<br />
isTvis deputats?<br />
_ mosaxleobas vekiTxebodi:<br />
erTxel mainc, borjomTan mimarTebiT,<br />
raime gancxadeba da komentari<br />
Tu gaukeTebia televiziiT,<br />
an parlamentSi Tu uTqvams<br />
borjomze-meTqi rame da ver<br />
gaixsenes. mxolod erTi maxsendeba,<br />
romelic aseve winasaarCevno<br />
piari iyo: adgilobrivi TviTmmarTvelobis<br />
arCevnebis win, erTerT<br />
sofelze, sakrebulos mimarTa<br />
da man dauWira mxari, raRac<br />
Tanxa iyo morCenili biujetSi,<br />
mewyrul zonaSi dazaralebuli<br />
adamianebisTvis daxmarebebi gaica.<br />
es iyo misi piari da ara xalxze<br />
zrunva. man axla icis, rom am<br />
soflebidan xmebi mouvida. maSin<br />
axali deputati iyo da sakrebulos<br />
mxardaWeriT gaica Tanxebi.<br />
es moxda 2012 wlis bolos. es iyo<br />
da es, Torem maRalmTiani soflebidan<br />
10 sofeli kidev elodeba<br />
maRalmTianis statuss borjomSi,<br />
Tumca amaod. 15 soflidan<br />
5-s mere mianiWes wivil-kivilis<br />
Semdeg statusi. roca parlamentis<br />
wevri xar, kanonebs iReb da<br />
ici, rom Seni regioni maRalmTian<br />
zonaSia da Cagraven, rogor ar<br />
unda aatalaxo im kabinetis kari,<br />
vinc amzadebs da Rebulobs am<br />
`aspinZis erT-erT sofelSi, sadac beselia da<br />
fofxaZe imyofebodnen, isini mosaxleobas<br />
xmebis miRebis sanacvlod konkretuli<br />
dakavebuli piris cixidan gamoSvebas<br />
dahpirdnen. marTlac im soflidan fofxaZem<br />
90%-iani mxardaWera miiRo, arCevnebis<br />
Catarebidan ori-sami dRis Tavze ki aRniSnuli<br />
patimari cixidan gaaTavisufles. axlac<br />
vcdilob mtkicebulebebis mopovebas, romelic<br />
advili ar aris. es saqme, Tavis droze,<br />
gaxmaurebuli iyo. ramdenadac CemTvis cnobili<br />
gaxda, is pirovneba Cinovniki gaxldaT, yovel<br />
SemTxvevaSi, - yofili "naci" da saWiro figura.<br />
faqti is aris, rom igi aqamde dakavebuli iyo<br />
da axla marTlac Tavisufalia. danarCens<br />
amjerad arafers getyviT da roca Tavidan<br />
bolomde gamovikvlev, rac moxda, detalurad,<br />
pirvelad Tqven mogiyvebiT~<br />
kanons?! ukanonobas uwyob xels<br />
kanonSemoqmedi? 800 metrze zemoT<br />
myofi soflebi xvdeba am sia-<br />
Si da ratom unda gamorCeniliyo<br />
iseTi soflebi, romlebic 1200-<br />
ze da 2000 metramde simaRlezea<br />
zRvis donidan?<br />
mosaxleobasac emaleboda da<br />
Sexvedrebis Catarebebze xom<br />
aRarc aris saubari. winasaarCevnod<br />
gaaxsenda borjomi, magram<br />
cxel zafxulSi megobrebis gare-<br />
Se ar dadioda, Tan iyenebda da<br />
Tan asvenebda sigrileSi. yvela<br />
maT Sexvedras foierverki axlda.<br />
cxadia, uxariaT cxovreba xalxis<br />
fuliT, Tavad xalxi ki suls Rafavs.<br />
adamianis uflebaTa komitetis<br />
Tavmjdomaris moadgile iyo<br />
parlamentSi da uSualod am Tanamdebobidan<br />
gamomdinare uamravi<br />
moqalaqe ugzavnida werils. agvistoSi<br />
erTi pirovneba mesaubra,<br />
rom miRebaze oqtomberSi Caewera<br />
da rodis momiwevs Sesvla, jerac<br />
ar vicio. sxvas ras akeTebs, an<br />
adamianis uflebebs rogor icavs,<br />
Tu maT gasaWirs ar ismens?<br />
_ Tqven axla wagebuli da<br />
gabrazebuli adamianis pozici-<br />
idan saubrobT...<br />
_ me imedgacruebuli var, rom<br />
xalxi fulze gaiyida da Tavisi<br />
keTildReobidan gamomdinare ar<br />
miiRo gadawyvetileba, Torem eg<br />
adamiani CemTvis ar arsebobs, me<br />
vici, igi rogori fariseveli da<br />
yalbia. kidev imazec mwydeba guli,<br />
rom 10 kandidatidan, romelic<br />
borjomSi iyrida kenWs sxvadasxva<br />
partiidan, ise gacvivda<br />
TbilisSi, Tvalic aravis moukravs.<br />
giuaSvili (anu Tavad, _ n. v.)<br />
ki darCa borjomSi da kvlav unda<br />
martom vibrZlo am regionisTvis.<br />
sakrebulos wevri var, biujeti<br />
dasamtkicebelia da isev borjomis<br />
interesebisTvis me unda viWylito<br />
tvini, mere mova winasaarCevno<br />
etapi da es arakacebi<br />
isev Camovlen...<br />
_ e. i. borjomSi arCevnebi gay-<br />
albda?<br />
_ gedevan fofxaZem axalqalaqis<br />
meSveobiT deputatoba gainaRda<br />
da gaiCaliCa pirvelsave<br />
turSi. aspinZisa da borjomis<br />
olqebSi 50% ver gadalaxa da<br />
yvela SemTxvevaSi meore turi<br />
dainiSneboda, rom ara axalqalaqi,<br />
rac winaswar ocodnen da amitomac<br />
moawyves ase. aspinZasa da<br />
borjomSi gayalbebas naklebad<br />
SeZlebdnen da am saqmis susti<br />
wertilic es Savbneli soflebia.<br />
P. S. giorgi giuaSvilma „qronika+”-s<br />
ramdenime oqmis fotosuraTi<br />
gadmosca da gviTxra: „ax-<br />
alqalaqis 45.40.17 saarCevno<br />
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is gareSe da winaswar Sedgenili<br />
oqmebi... TariRs daakvirdiT<br />
erT-erT suraTze _ 9 saaTi da<br />
30 wuTi weria oqmis Sedgenis<br />
dro. realurad, am dros<br />
winaswar Seadgines es oqmebi „su-<br />
sis” manqanebSi. axalqalaqis 17<br />
soflis Sedegebi winaswar aris<br />
Sedgenili, romelTa safuZvelzec<br />
saxelisuflebo kandi-<br />
dati borjomSi igebs!”<br />
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`xaSurSi saarCevno<br />
xaSurSi saparlamento arCevn-<br />
giorgi mefariZe<br />
ebis meore turSi erTmaneTs<br />
daupirispirdebian „qarTuli oc-<br />
nebis” warmomadgeneli valeri gelaSvili da „mrewvelebis”<br />
kandidati simon nozaZe.<br />
„qronika+” raionSi mimdin-<br />
are saarCevno peripetiebze<br />
arasamTavrobo organizacia<br />
„damoukidebloba da evrointegraciis”<br />
warmomadgenels xa-<br />
SurSi, zaza mexriSvils es-<br />
aubreba:<br />
_ minda gaxaroT, rom Cven<br />
varT xalxi, romelic komunisturi<br />
ideologiidan ver gamovida.<br />
Cven generlebisa da fulis<br />
tomrebis marionetebad viqeciT!<br />
erad, romelmac komunisturi<br />
ideologiis mimdevari,<br />
rusuli specsamsaxuris mowinave<br />
simon nozaZe da samgzis<br />
deputati gelaSvili unda air-<br />
Cios.<br />
ruseTi Cveni moZme qveyanaa,<br />
_ RaRadebs generali. me Tu vityvi,<br />
rom ruseTi da simon nozaZe<br />
qveynis mteria, lamisaa,<br />
Camqolon. am generlebsa da samgzis<br />
deputat gelaSvils efarebian<br />
mavanni da imaze ar fiqroben,<br />
Tu ra bedi eweva xaSurs.<br />
me var bneli, boroti da<br />
Tqven angelozebi, pativcemulebo?<br />
sakmarisia Seepasuxo vinmes,<br />
an Seni azri gamoxato, vai, Seni<br />
brali.<br />
samarTlianobis gancda ar<br />
arsebobs am qalaqSi.<br />
gadadiT siraqlemis pozidan<br />
keTilgonieri adamianis pozaSi<br />
da davdgeT erTad Cveni qveynis,<br />
qalaqisa da momavali Taobebis<br />
sakeTildReod. TqviT simarTle,<br />
vinc sazogadoebis nawilad<br />
miiCnevT Tavs, nu xarT Caketilebi.<br />
ase orSaurad rom gaiyida<br />
maxarobliZis xmebi, axla<br />
simoni (nozaZe) vaWrobs Tavisi<br />
xmebiT am yvelaferze, _ xmas<br />
ratom ar iReb Rrmad pativcemulo<br />
sazogadoeba?<br />
xaSuris bazari odiTganve<br />
ganTqmuli iyo. hoda, daxlze<br />
jer „nacionali” roin maxarobliZe<br />
idga da gayida xmebi, axla<br />
ki Rrmad pativcemuli rusuli<br />
gadmonaSTebis matarebeli<br />
generali dadga bazris kuTxis<br />
cariel daxlTan da wavida gamalebuli<br />
vaWroba. SeuTavazebia<br />
mavans Tanxa, erTxel iuara generalma<br />
da fexi aqvs gamodgmuli,<br />
_ fass ver davaklebo. ra<br />
qnas, tkbili sibere unda am<br />
moxucebulobaSi baton simons,<br />
ver gaamtyuneb.<br />
fulis tomara valeri gelaSvili<br />
ki am yvelafers Soridan<br />
gauvlis da gamouvlis, Tan<br />
kvdeba siciliT.<br />
esaa realoba, pativcemulo<br />
xaSurlebo. CaTvaleT, gelaSvilis<br />
miznebi ukve miRweulia.<br />
Tqven ki, pativcemulo noza-<br />
Zis mxardamWerebo, batoni generali<br />
bolos did madlobas getyviT<br />
da imasac daayolebs, _<br />
me vecade da araferi gamomividao.<br />
dRes xom sabazro ekonomikaa<br />
ganviTarebuli xaSurSi,<br />
hoda, Cveni politikosebic Cvenive<br />
xmebiT vaWroben. bolos<br />
erTad dasxdebian, Wiqebs mia-<br />
Waxuneben da Sen TavSi qva gixlia,<br />
xaSuris mosaxleoba.<br />
_ ufro konkretulad, ar-<br />
Cevnebis pirveli turi rogor<br />
warimarTa?<br />
_ xaSurSi Catarebuli arCevnebi<br />
yovelTvis gansxvavdeba<br />
`Cven generlebisa<br />
da fulis tomrebis<br />
marionetebad<br />
viqeciT~<br />
zaza mexriSvili<br />
24<br />
simon nozaZe<br />
`xaSuris bazari odiTganve ganTqmuli iyo.<br />
hoda, daxlze jer "nacionali" roin<br />
maxarobliZe idga da gayida xmebi, axla ki<br />
Rrmad pativcemuli rusuli gadmonaSTebis<br />
matarebeli generali dadga bazris kuTxis<br />
cariel daxlTan da wavida gamalebuli<br />
vaWroba. SeuTavazebia mavans Tanxa, erTxel<br />
iuara generalma da fexi aqvs gamodgmuli, -<br />
fass ver davaklebo. ra qnas, tkbili sibere<br />
unda am moxucebulobaSi baton simons, ver<br />
gaamtyuneb~<br />
sxva qalaqebisgan da regionebisgan.<br />
aq rac xdeba, esaa sruli<br />
sibnele. xalxis gamoyenebiT<br />
politikosebi fuls Souloben<br />
da vaWroben xmebiT.<br />
daviwyoT iqidan, rom arCevnebSi<br />
deputatobis 4 kandidati<br />
iyo gamokveTili. reitingul<br />
kandidatad ruseTume TofaZis<br />
mrewvelebidan „kagebes” generali<br />
simon nozaZe, xolo „nacionalebidan”<br />
roin maxarobliZe<br />
saxeldeboda. damoukidebeli<br />
kandidati pavle lacabiZe iyo.<br />
roman maxarobliZe<br />
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sabazro ekonomika yvavis~<br />
mxolod bolos moiazreboda<br />
valeri gelaSvili saxelisuflebo<br />
gundidan.<br />
me araerTi posti damiweria<br />
socialur qselSi imis Sesaxeb,<br />
rom „nacionalebis” lideri maxarobliZe<br />
xmebs dauTmobda valeri<br />
gelaSvils da meore tur-<br />
Si is darCeboda. asec moxda,<br />
garigeba Sedga, „nacionalebma”<br />
daTmes da valeri gelaSvili<br />
meore turSia.<br />
gadaxedeT ceskos monacemebs<br />
da yvela mixvdebiT, asec<br />
rom aris. ramxela gansxvavebas<br />
dainaxavT „nacmoZraobis” partiul<br />
mxardamWerebsa da mis kandidats<br />
Soris, amiT yvelaferi<br />
naTqvamia, maxarobliZe gaiyida.<br />
am 4 wlis ganmavlobaSi valeri<br />
gelaSvilma araerTi proeqti<br />
wamoiwyo da daafinansa:<br />
aaSena sastumro, aSenebs did<br />
supermarkets, masTan erTad<br />
100-kacian kinoTeatrs. es kaci<br />
biznesmenia da sakuTar Tavze<br />
fiqrobs. Tumca erTi plusia, _<br />
am mSeneblobebze xalxi saqmdeba.<br />
qalaqs cota raRac daetyo<br />
da idioti unda iyo adamiani, es<br />
ver dainaxo.<br />
erTi sityviT, Cveni yofili<br />
deputati da aw kandidati, romelic<br />
meore turisTvis ibrZolebs,<br />
metwilad, sakuTar interesebs<br />
icavs da danarCeni mosaxleoba<br />
Tu ara, masTan dasaqmebuli<br />
xalxi mainc kmayofilia.<br />
meore mxridan misi mowinaaRmdegea<br />
„kagebes” kadri simon<br />
nozaZe. igi saqarTvelos<br />
uSiSroebaSi, im avbediT wleb-<br />
Si, SevardnaZis dros muSaobda.<br />
mis saxels araerTi cudi saqme<br />
ukavSirdeba. „mrewvelebma”<br />
waradgines arCevnebze.<br />
ar dagaviwydeT, sanam „mrewvelebidan”<br />
gamovidoda, igi<br />
Worebs avrcelebda, rom „ocnebidan”<br />
iyrida kenWs. Semdeg<br />
„ocnebam” rom gamoapanRura,<br />
„girCs” mietmasna. esec rom ar<br />
`winasaarCevno procesebidan gamomdinare, bevri muqara modis Cem<br />
winaaRmdeg. jer iyo gamgebeli damemuqra, - manqaniT unda gadagiaro,<br />
Tu rames dawer socialur qselSio. mere `feisbuqis~ saSualebiT<br />
usaxelo da ugvaro eqaunTebiT memuqrebian. zogi meubneba, `kaliaskaSi~<br />
unda CagajinoT, invalidad dagtovebTo. zogi blagvi daniT enis<br />
amoWras mpirdeba. am sakiTxze policiaSi damkiTxes, Tumca rad ginda?!<br />
- saqme adgilidan ar iZvris. roca mivakiTxe, gamomZiebeli Secvlili<br />
damxvda. xels afareben gamgebels, sxvebi amiT sargebloben. dainaxes,<br />
rom gamgebels gauvida da muqarebma imata. me aravis meSinia, bolomde<br />
vibrZoleb am usamarTlobis winaaRmdeg, rac xaSurSi xdeba~<br />
gamouvida, damoukideblad apirebda<br />
kenWisyras, bolos ki<br />
ruseTume „mrewvelebSi” aRmoCnda.<br />
Zalian cudi arCevanis winaSe<br />
dadga xaSuris mosaxleoba.<br />
erTi mxriv, ruseTume generali,<br />
meore mxriv, bizmesmeni. ubedureba<br />
isaa, rom nozaZis Stab-<br />
Si 50% ruseTume da dromoWmuli<br />
xalxis nakrebia.<br />
iciT, ra makvirvebs? yvelam<br />
viciT, valeri gelaSvili vinc<br />
aris, araerTxel damiweria<br />
„qronika+”-Si mis Sesaxeb, magram<br />
am ruseTume nozaZis amomrCevlis<br />
mikvirs. nuTu, daaviwydaT<br />
is wlebi, ra ubedurebaSi<br />
gagvatara ruseTma? xalxo, aRar<br />
scemT pativs omSi daRupul<br />
gmirebs da ltolvil mosaxleobas?<br />
warmoudgenelia CemTvis<br />
aseTi adamianis arCeva.<br />
rTuli arCevanis winaSe dadga<br />
mosaxleoba da es yvelaferi<br />
xelisuflebis bralia. „ocnebis”<br />
partiis arakompetenturma<br />
adgilobrivma Tavmjdomare giorgi<br />
guraspaSvilma awewdawewa<br />
yvelaferi da xaSurSi miviReT<br />
aseTi realoba. partiul-procentulad<br />
yvelaze dabali ma-<br />
Cvenebeli xaSurma aCvena. amiT<br />
batonma guraspaSvilma daamtkica,<br />
rom igi warumatebeli da<br />
arafris maqnisia, rac me araerTxel<br />
damiweria da miTqvams.<br />
Tanxebi aramiznobrivad ixarjeboda,<br />
naTesavebisa da axloblebis<br />
dasaqmeba xdeboda<br />
aaip-ebSi 4 weliwadi, normalur<br />
da niWier xalxs komisia blokavda.<br />
gaWirvebuli mosaxleoba<br />
aravis ainteresebda.<br />
Sedegic dadga da „ocnebam”<br />
xaSuridan ver waiRo is, rasac<br />
giorgi guraspaSvili hpirdeboda.<br />
wlebia, gaviZaxiT xaSuris<br />
ukusvlaze da aq klanur mar-<br />
Tvaze, magram centraluri xe-<br />
lisuflebidan aravin gvismens.<br />
talaxiani quCebi, mouwesrigebeli<br />
kurorti surami, stadioni,<br />
romelsac saSveli ar daadga<br />
da ramdeni erTi CamovTvalo?<br />
_ ra winadadebiT gamodix-<br />
arT?<br />
_ Tqveni gazeTis SeSveobiT<br />
minda mivmarTo xaSuris amomrCevels:<br />
am realobidan gamomdinare,<br />
ra mdgomareobaSic centralurma<br />
da adgilobrivma<br />
xelisuflebebma Cagvayenes, gvaqvs<br />
ori realoba _ an „kagebes”<br />
generali, romelsac aTas sibinZureSi<br />
aqvs xelebi gasvrili,<br />
an biznesmeni, romelmac danapirebi<br />
nawilobriv Seasrula.<br />
sakuTari biznes-mSeneblobiT<br />
cota xalxi mainc daasaqma da<br />
raRac mainc Seqmna.<br />
vici, rTuli arCevania, magram<br />
gadawyvetilebis miReba<br />
yvela SemTxvevaSi gvmarTebs.<br />
imedia, dafiqrdebiT da swor<br />
arCevans gaakeTebT.<br />
oriode sityviT Cemzec minda,<br />
mogaxsenoT. winasaarCevno<br />
procesebidan gamomdinare, bevri<br />
muqara modis Cem winaaRmdeg.<br />
jer iyo gamgebeli damemuqra, _<br />
manqaniT unda gadagiaro, Tu<br />
rames dawer socialur qsel-<br />
Sio.<br />
mere „feisbuqis” saSualebiT<br />
usaxelo da ugvaro eqaunTebiT<br />
memuqrebian. zogi meubneba,<br />
„kaliaskaSi” unda CagajinoT,<br />
invalidad dagtovebTo. zogi<br />
blagvi daniT enis amoWras mpirdeba.<br />
am sakiTxze policiaSi<br />
damkiTxes, Tumca rad ginda?! _<br />
saqme adgilidan ar iZvris.<br />
roca mivakiTxe, gamomZiebeli<br />
Secvlili damxvda. xels<br />
afareben gamgebels, sxvebi amiT<br />
sargebloben. dainaxes, rom<br />
gamgebels gauvida da muqarebma<br />
imata.<br />
me aravis meSinia, bolomde<br />
vibrZoleb am usamarTlobis<br />
winaaRmdeg, rac xaSurSi xdeba.<br />
Tu momklaven da gamaCumeben,<br />
ise aravis araferi gamouva.<br />
moxedeT xaSurs, viZirebiT<br />
WaobSi, ukve 25 welia, 10 kaci<br />
wyvets aq xalxis beds. ar movida<br />
dro, am qalaqSi raime Seicvalos<br />
sikeTisken?<br />
vici, am statiis mere ufro<br />
met mters gaviCen, magram ra<br />
vqna? me Tu rame damemarTa, es<br />
naZiralebi iqnebian damnaSaveebi.<br />
me arc erTis mxardamWeri ar<br />
var da aq rac davwere, sruli<br />
simarTlea. mTeli xaSuri amas<br />
saubrobs da realobac esaa. ar<br />
eRirsa xaSurs normaluri kandidati,<br />
dagvRales am dromoWmulma<br />
da komunisturi ideologiis<br />
gadmonaSTma avantiuristebma.<br />
ase iyideba yvela da yvelaferi<br />
xaSurSi. CvenTan saarCevno<br />
sabazro ekonomika yvavis.<br />
valeri gelaSvili<br />
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`xaSurSi Catarebuli arCevnebi yovelTvis<br />
gansxvavdeba sxva qalaqebisgan da<br />
regionebisgan. aq rac xdeba, esaa sruli<br />
sibnele. xalxis gamoyenebiT politikosebi<br />
fuls Souloben da vaWroben xmebiT.<br />
daviwyoT iqidan, rom arCevnebSi<br />
deputatobis 4 kandidati iyo gamokveTili.<br />
reitingul kandidatad ruseTume TofaZis<br />
`mrewvelebidan~ "kagebes" generali simon<br />
nozaZe, xolo "nacionalebidan" roin<br />
maxarobliZe saxeldeboda. damoukidebeli<br />
kandidati pavle lacabiZe iyo. mxolod<br />
bolos moiazreboda valeri gelaSvili<br />
saxelisuflebo gundidan. me araerTi posti<br />
damiweria socialur qselSi imis Sesaxeb,<br />
rom "nacionalebis" lideri maxarobliZe<br />
xmebs dauTmobda valeri gelaSvils da<br />
meore turSi is darCeboda. asec moxda,<br />
garigeba Sedga, "nacionalebma" daTmes da<br />
valeri gelaSvili meore turSia~<br />
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an Svili, romelsac jari ekuTvnis,<br />
an vinc xelisuflebis teroris<br />
qveS SeiZleba moxvedriliyo.<br />
Tu mosawoni iyo kandidati,<br />
ratom ar gamodian Sexvedraze<br />
masTan sxvebi da ratom gamodian<br />
opoziciur kandidatTan Sexvedrebze?<br />
es aris Zalian naTeli,<br />
ra xdeboda arCevnebamde da ra<br />
Sedegebi daido. sus-is TanamSromlebi<br />
Sediodnen yvela sofel-<br />
Si. rame teroristuli aqti mzaddeboda,<br />
ucxo Zalebi iyvnen<br />
SemoWrili, ase gaSmagebulebi<br />
rom dadiodnen?<br />
_ samxaraulis azriT Tqven upiratesoba<br />
gqondaT sofel matan-<br />
Si. da sxva soflebs ar asaxelebs,<br />
sadac upiratesoba daimsaxureT.<br />
_ eg SedegebSi gamoCnda yvela<br />
ubanze, momigo Tu ar momigo me<br />
samxaraulma. samxarauls da zogadad<br />
xelisuflebis warmomadgenlebs<br />
problemebi aqvT mxedvelobasTan<br />
da realobis aRqmasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT, Torem oqmSi Caixedos<br />
da naxavs, rogor moigo yvela<br />
ubanze, es erTi da aseve Tu<br />
oqmSi Caixedavs, magaTi batoni<br />
rogorc Cven migviTiTebs, rom<br />
raRac analizi ar viciT da magis<br />
gundis wevrebma ki ician, analizi<br />
gaakeTos samxaraulma, sad<br />
aqvs ufro dabali xmebi da sad<br />
aqvs ufro maRali? samxarauli<br />
sadac dRes aris deputati, anu<br />
2012 wlis arCevnebis Sedegad iq<br />
aqvs yvelaze dabali xmebi aRebuli,<br />
maT Soris, Tavis sakuTar<br />
sofelSi da im zonaze, sadac man<br />
2012 wels moigo, amitom imaze<br />
laparaki, razec dokumenti datanilia<br />
gayalbebiT magis sasike-<br />
Tod, rom igi jiutad amtkicebs,<br />
TiTqos marto matani waugia da<br />
sxva arc erTi, sisulelea... ma-<br />
Sin roca me movuge Telavis zonis<br />
bevri sofeli da bevri ubani,<br />
naadrevad izeima arCevnebSi<br />
gamarjveba 8 oqtombris Rames<br />
irakli sesiaSvilma, romelic<br />
„qarTuli ocnebis” maJoritarokaxeTi<br />
arCevnebis meore<br />
sazogadoebisTvis ukve naTe-<br />
sazogadoebisTvis ukve naTe-<br />
maka mosiaSvili<br />
lia, rom kaxeTSi meore turi 6-<br />
599 97 25 55<br />
dan 5 olqSi gaimarTeba... dRevan-<br />
deli kanonmdeblobiT, meore<br />
turSi gamarjvebulad deputatobis is kandidati CaiTvleba,<br />
romelic amomrCevelTa met xmas miiRebs. meore turis daniS-<br />
vnis SemTxvevaSi, misi gamarTvis bolo vada 2 noemberia.<br />
26<br />
irakli sesiaSvili<br />
2 noembramde ki mTavaria,<br />
rogor Seafaseben meore turSi<br />
gasul im kandidatebs, romelTac<br />
konkurencia xelisuflebas<br />
gauwies. arc aravis gahkvirvebia<br />
kaxeTSi, rom meore turSi zustad<br />
erTi erTze „ocneba” da „nacionaluri<br />
moZraoba” dajda.<br />
2012 wels „qarTulma ocnebam””<br />
kaxeTSi 8 olqidan 3 maJoritari<br />
gaiyvana: zviadauri, xidaSeli<br />
da samxarauli. danarCeni „nacionalebs”<br />
ergoT wilad. Tumca<br />
maleve lagodexisa da yvarlis<br />
parlamentis maJoritari deputatebi<br />
daportirdnen da uceb<br />
erT mSvenier dRes q- ocnebelebi<br />
gaxdnen. maleve alasaniam uZ-<br />
Rebi Svilis saxeli miiRo biZinasgan<br />
da „ocnebas” gaemijna, Tumca<br />
samxaraulma, romelic Telavis<br />
maJoritari deputati iyo,<br />
alasanias, anu sakuTar partias im<br />
saRamosve uRalata da urekis<br />
ivaniSvilis navSi gadajda.<br />
zaza kedelaSvili, romelmac<br />
dedofliswyaro upiratesobiT<br />
mougo leqso TamazaSvils, Tavis<br />
samaJoritaro municipalitetSi<br />
mas Semdeg iq aRar Casula. maleve<br />
kedelaSvilis biuros oTaxi gaauqmes<br />
dedofliswyaros municipalitetSi<br />
da, Sesabamisad, mas mere<br />
yvelam viciT, rom Crdilo koreis<br />
erT-erT olqs daemsgavsa<br />
raioni. Sesabamisad, aravis gahkvirvebia,<br />
rom siRnaRi-dedofliswyaros<br />
olqSi meore turis aucilebloba<br />
ar dadga dRis wesrig-<br />
Si.<br />
magram rogor afaseben kandidatebi<br />
Catarebul arCevenebs,<br />
dRes „qronika+”-is mkiTxveli gaigebs.<br />
manamde ki vityvi, rom<br />
jorj vaSingtoni ambobda:<br />
„cota vinmes Tu eyofa vaJkacoba,<br />
win aRudges mas, vinc yvelaze<br />
bevrs ixdis”.<br />
axmeta-Telavis<br />
saarCevno<br />
olqSi amomrCevelTa xmebis 46%<br />
miiRo „qarTuli ocnebis” kandidatma<br />
gela samxaraulma, „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” kandidatma<br />
Saqro terteraSvilma ki 32,27%.<br />
samxaraulis azriT, meore<br />
turi misTvis martivia da igi moigebs:<br />
„aris ramdenime ubani, sadac<br />
naklebi aqtivobaa. magaliTad,<br />
sofeli matani, saidanac iyo<br />
erT-erTi Cemi konkurenti. xmebi<br />
rom daviTvaleT, Cems xmebTan mimarTebiT<br />
naklebi Sedegi dafiqsirda,<br />
vidre Cemi konkurentis. es<br />
mosalodneli iyo”. igi darwmunebulia,<br />
rom maJoritaruli<br />
arCevnebis meore turSi gaimarjvebs.<br />
„velodebi ceskos gadawyvetilebas<br />
meore turTan dakavSirebiT.<br />
warsuls CavabareT is dro,<br />
rodesac Cvens amomrCevelze xdeboda<br />
zewola, daSineba, muqara.<br />
aseTi ram Cveni xelisuflebis<br />
pirobebSi ar momxdara da arc<br />
moxdeba. Tu dainiSna meore turi,<br />
gamarjvebisTvis bolomde vibrZolebT<br />
da darwmunebuli var,<br />
rom gavimarjvebT”, _ aRniSna<br />
samxaraulma mediasTan saubrisas.<br />
gansxvavebulad<br />
msjelobs<br />
Saqro terteraSvili:<br />
_ zogadad erTi suraTi iyo<br />
yvelgan, xelisufleba administraciul<br />
resurss iyenebda bolomde.<br />
ver daasaxeleben verc<br />
erT sofels, aseve qalaq axmetas,<br />
sadac ar iyvnen gamgeblis warmomadgenlebi<br />
CarTulebi, aseve<br />
misi partiis TanamSromlebi, sakrebulos<br />
wevrebi, TviTon gamgeobis<br />
TanamSromlebi, sus-is Tanam-<br />
Sromlebi, romlebsac ra esaqmebodaT<br />
yovel sofelSi arCevneb-<br />
`me gavagrZeleb xalxTan urTierTobas,<br />
gavagrZeleb saarCevno kampanias da vpirdebi<br />
"qarTul ocnebas", rom Telavsa da yvarelSi,<br />
mTlianad kaxeTsa da saqarTveloSi, meore<br />
turSi yvelgan davamarcxebT. vfiqrob, rom<br />
Zalian saintereso meore turi iqneba~<br />
is dRes?! ar datoves arc erTi<br />
sofeli, sadac ar Sediodnen, ra<br />
interesi hqondaT? ra esaqmebodaT?<br />
ras elodebodnen? Tu ara<br />
daSinebas, diax, pensionerebze,<br />
socialurad daucvelebze da<br />
sxva mowyvlad fenebze, baRsa da<br />
skolaSi dasaqmebulebs eubnebodnen,<br />
rom Tu ar Semoxazavdnen,<br />
dakargavdnen samsaxurs, xolo<br />
pensionerebs da socialurad daucvelebs<br />
eubnebodnen, rom isini<br />
meore dRidan veRar miiRebdnen<br />
`naadrevad izeima arCevnebSi<br />
gamarjveba 8 oqtombris Rames<br />
irakli sesiaSvilma, romelic<br />
"qarTuli ocnebis" maJoritarobis<br />
kandidatia Telavi-yvarlis<br />
saarCevno olqSi. Ramis 12:00<br />
saaTisTvis telekompania "rusTavi<br />
2"-Tan interviuSi sesiaSvilma<br />
ganacxada, rom "nacionalur<br />
moZraobas" Zalian didi sxvaobiT,<br />
4.5-jer meti upiratesobiT mougo.<br />
"Cveni monacemebiT, rac "qarTulma<br />
ocnebam" da me piradad Telavsa<br />
da yvarelSi miviReT, imaze mets<br />
velodebiT centraluri<br />
saarCevno komisiidan imitom, rom<br />
Cven maqsimalurad gavfiltreT<br />
da miuxedavad amisa, imaze maRali<br />
Sedegi gvaqvs, vidre egzitpolebma<br />
aCvena. Tqven iciT, rom<br />
egzitpolis mixedviT "qarTulma<br />
ocnebam" 53% aiRo, Cven cota<br />
meti gvaqvs~<br />
giorgi botkoveli<br />
daxmarebas. faqtobrivad, arCevnebze<br />
xelisuflebam mowyvlad<br />
jgufebze iZalada.<br />
_ Tumca mainc meore turia.<br />
_ ki, mainc meore turi dadga,<br />
radgan xelisufleba aris bolomde<br />
gakotrebuli da es xmebi<br />
miiRo mowyvladi fenebisgan da<br />
sabiujeto organizaciis Tanam-<br />
Sromlebisgan, aseve maTi ojaxis<br />
wevrebisgan. bunebrivi kiTxva Cndeba:<br />
faqtia, saxelisuflebo<br />
partiis warmomadgeneli sofel-<br />
Si Sedis da ar gamodis aravin<br />
masTan Sesaxvedrad. gadaamowmeT<br />
maTive oficialuri gverdebi,<br />
rogor unda miiRos man am soflidan<br />
mxardaWera. es aris warmoudgeneli.<br />
_ TelavSi gavrcelebuli in-<br />
formaciiT iyo mosyidva da<br />
Tanxis darigebac.<br />
_ ki msmenia ara marto Telav-<br />
Si, axmetaSic da mis soflebSic,<br />
arCevnebis wina Rames rig ojaxebSi<br />
daariges Tanxebi, sadac mosTxoves,<br />
rom maTi ojaxis wevrebs<br />
gadaeRoT Semoxazuli biuletenebisTvis<br />
suraTebi da es suraTebi<br />
gaegzavnaT soflebis warmomadgenlTan.<br />
yvela laparakobs<br />
amaze, magram radgan es adamianebi<br />
CarTulebi iyvnen am fulis<br />
aRebis procesSi, bunebrivia, isini<br />
ar ixsnebian da sajarod ar amboben.<br />
ranairi ganwyobac iyo, yvelam<br />
kargad viciT. gimeorebT: gadmoiReT<br />
nebismieri Sexvedra nebismieri<br />
„ocnebis” kandidatis da<br />
iq naxavT, rom SeiZleba iyos 5 an<br />
6 kaci moyvanili isic, viRacis<br />
naTesavi, sajaro moxelisa an<br />
probacioneri Tavisi naTesaviT,<br />
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turisTvis emzadeba<br />
`msgavsi binZuri arCevnebi ar yofila<br />
saqarTveloSi, yvela Tanamdebobis piri iyo<br />
CarTuli absoluturad gurjaanis<br />
municipalitetSi. am arCevnebSi yvelanairi<br />
administraciuli resursi iyo gamoyenebuli,<br />
xalxis daSinebis mizniT, maT Soris,<br />
socialuri daxmarebis moxsnis muqariT,<br />
samsaxuridan gagdebis dapirebiT,<br />
gansakuTrebiT muqara vrceldeboda skolisa<br />
da baRis pedagogebze, bevr adgilze<br />
moTxovnebi iyo, rom maT Riad<br />
daefiqsirebinaT, rogor xazavdnen 41-s da rac<br />
mTavaria, zogs imiT aSinebdnen, rom xma<br />
miecaT, zogs imiT aSinebdnen, rom arCevnebis<br />
dRes saxlidanac ki ar gamosuliyvnen. es aris<br />
uprecedentod binZuri arCevnebi~<br />
bis kandidatia Telavi-yvarlis<br />
saarCevno olqSi. Ramis 12:00 saa-<br />
TisTvis telekompania „rusTavi<br />
2"-Tan interviuSi sesiaSvilma ganacxada,<br />
rom „nacionalur moZraobas”<br />
Zalian didi sxvaobiT, 4.5-<br />
jer meti upiratesobiT mougo.<br />
„Cveni monacemebiT, rac „qar-<br />
Tulma ocnebam” da me piradad<br />
Telavsa da yvarelSi miviReT,<br />
imaze mets velodebiT centraluri<br />
saarCevno komisiidan<br />
imitom, rom Cven maqsimalurad<br />
gavfiltreT da miuxedavad amisa,<br />
Saqro terteraSvili<br />
giorgi RviniaSvili<br />
N37(<strong>168</strong>) 18.10-24.10.2016 w.<br />
imaze maRali Sedegi gvaqvs, vidre<br />
egzitpolebma aCvena. Tqven iciT,<br />
rom egzitpolis mixedviT „qarTulma<br />
ocnebam” 53% aiRo, Cven<br />
cota meti gvaqvs. procentulad<br />
TelavSi „nacionalur moZraobasa”<br />
da „qarTul ocnebas” Soris<br />
Zalian didi sxvaobaa. getyviT<br />
axlave, daaxloebiT, oTxnaxevarjer<br />
metia”, _ ganacxada irakli<br />
sesiaSvilma.<br />
sinamdvileSi, xmebis daTvlis<br />
Sedegad aRmoCnda, rom „qarTuli<br />
ocnebis” kandidatebidan erTerTi<br />
yvelaze dabali Sedegi<br />
(41%) irakli sesiaSvilma miiRo.<br />
is „nacionaluri moZraobis” kandidats,<br />
giorgi botkovels mxolod<br />
5%-iT uswrebs.<br />
Telavi-yvarlis 27-e maJoritarul<br />
saarCevno olqSi arsebuli<br />
47-ve saarCevno ubnis monacemebiT,<br />
irakli sesiaSvils xmebis<br />
41% aqvs, „nacionaluri moZraobis”<br />
kandidatma giorgi botkovelma<br />
ki 36% miiRo.<br />
giorgi botkovelis Sefase-<br />
biT, igi meore turSi elodeba,<br />
rom aqtivoba iqneba: „radgan adamianebs<br />
ukve mobezrdaT am usaqmurebis<br />
yureba. mobezrdaT gaCerebuli<br />
proeqtebis yureba.<br />
ufro gauWirdaT”, – acxadebs<br />
giorgi botkoveli, „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” maJoritarobis kandidati<br />
Telavi-yvarlis saarCevno<br />
olqSi, romelic TelavSi<br />
gasamarTi maJoritaruli arCevnebis<br />
meore turSi miiRebs monawileobas.<br />
„mTeli am periodis ganmavlobaSi<br />
avaldebulebdnen administraciul<br />
resurss, rom maT 20-30<br />
adamiani unda mieyvanaT ubnebze<br />
da ase moegoT arCevnebi, magram<br />
Cven am yvelafers Zalian kargad<br />
gavumklavdiT.<br />
irakli sesiaSvili ambobda,<br />
TiTqos, man 4,5-jer gaimarjva<br />
Cemze da ufro meti xma miiRo.<br />
cota adre mouvida am yvelafris<br />
aRniSvna da Sampanurebis gaxsna.<br />
dRes miviReT Sedegi, rom, sul<br />
raRac, 1600 xmiT aris win”, _<br />
aRniSnavs botkoveli.<br />
„me gavagrZeleb xalxTan urTierTobas,<br />
gavagrZeleb saarCevno<br />
kampanias da vpirdebi „qarTul<br />
ocnebas”, rom Telavsa da yvarelSi,<br />
mTlianad kaxeTsa da saqar-<br />
TveloSi, meore turSi yvelgan<br />
davamarcxebT. vfiqrob, rom<br />
Zalian saintereso meore turi<br />
iqneba”, _ acxadebs botkoveli<br />
gurjaanSi arCevnebi dasrulebuli<br />
ar iyo, rom „ocnebis” mxardamWerebma<br />
manqanebiT siaruli<br />
daiwyes da droSebis frialiTa<br />
da signaliT qalaqs Tavisi kandidatis<br />
gamarjvebas amcnobdnen,<br />
Tumca ramdenime saaTSi gairkva,<br />
rom sonRulaSvilma ver gadalaxa<br />
50%-ani barieri da swored<br />
RviniaSvilTan mouwia kvlav me-<br />
`erTi suraTi iyo yvelgan, xelisufleba<br />
administraciul resurss iyenebda bolomde.<br />
ver daasaxeleben verc erT sofels, aseve<br />
qalaq axmetas, sadac ar iyvnen gamgeblis<br />
warmomadgenlebi CarTulebi, aseve misi<br />
partiis TanamSromlebi, sakrebulos wevrebi,<br />
TviTon gamgeobis TanamSromlebi, sus-is<br />
TanamSromlebi, romlebsac ra esaqmebodaT<br />
yovel sofelSi arCevnebis dRes?! ar datoves<br />
arc erTi sofeli, sadac ar Sediodnen, ra<br />
interesi hqondaT? ra esaqmebodaT? ras<br />
elodebodnen? Tu ara daSinebas, diax,<br />
pensionerebze, socialurad daucvelebze da<br />
sxva mowyvlad fenebze, baRsa da skolaSi<br />
dasaqmebulebs eubnebodnen, rom Tu ar<br />
Semoxazavdnen, dakargavdnen samsaxurs, xolo<br />
pensionerebs da socialurad daucvelebs<br />
eubnebodnen, rom isini meore dRidan veRar<br />
miiRebdnen daxmarebas. faqtobrivad, arCevnebze<br />
xelisuflebam mowyvlad jgufebze iZalada~<br />
ore turSi brZola.<br />
giorgi RviniaSvili fiqrobs,<br />
rom es yvelaze binZuri arCevnebi<br />
iyo, sadac mosaxleoba yvelaze<br />
daSinebuli da gaubedure-<br />
buli Canda:<br />
_ amaT rac ikadres msgavsi ram<br />
ar maxsovs, saSinelebebi akadres<br />
xalxs, damuqrebebiT, saxlSi SevardnebiT<br />
da ar vici raa, eseni<br />
vis eZaxian sisxlismsmelebs saer-<br />
Tod? ramdeni arCevnebi maqvs<br />
Catarebuli kaxeTSi, magas rogor<br />
vikadrebdi, vinmesTvis damevalebina,<br />
saxlSi SeuvardiT-Tqo?!<br />
`2012 wels `qarTulma ocnebam~ kaxeTSi 8<br />
olqidan 3 maJoritari gaiyvana: zviadauri,<br />
xidaSeli da samxarauli. danarCeni<br />
`nacionalebs~ ergoT wilad. Tumca maleve<br />
lagodexisa da yvarlis parlamentis<br />
maJoritari deputatebi daportirdnen da<br />
uceb erT mSvenier dRes q-ocnebelebi gaxdnen.<br />
maleve alasaniam uZRebi Svilis saxeli miiRo<br />
biZinasgan da `ocnebas~ gaemijna, Tumca<br />
samxaraulma, romelic Telavis maJoritari<br />
deputati iyo, alasanias, anu sakuTar partias<br />
im saRamosve uRalata da urekis ivaniSvilis<br />
navSi gadajda~<br />
dRes ici, ra mdgomareobaa<br />
xalxSi? mezobeli mezobels ver<br />
elaparakeba, gareT gaxedvis eSiniaT<br />
adamianebs, xalxs xma ver<br />
amouRia, sami Tve rom wyali ar<br />
aqvs sofels da gamgeblisTvis<br />
ver gaubediaT glexebs Tavis<br />
gaWirvebaze saubari, meti raRa<br />
unda vTqva?<br />
_ zogadi SefasebiT iyo gay-<br />
albeba?<br />
_ msgavsi binZuri arCevnebi ar<br />
yofila saqarTveloSi, yvela<br />
Tanamdebobis piri iyo CarTuli<br />
absoluturad gurjaanis municipalitetSi.<br />
am arCevnebSi yvelanairi<br />
administraciuli resursi<br />
iyo gamoyenebuli, xalxis<br />
daSinebis mizniT, maT Soris, socialuri<br />
daxmarebis moxsnis muqariT,<br />
samsaxuridan gagdebis dapirebiT,<br />
gansakuTrebiT muqara<br />
vrceldeboda skolisa da baRis<br />
pedagogebze, bevr adgilze moTxovnebi<br />
iyo, rom maT Riad daefiqsirebinaT,<br />
rogor xazavdnen 41-<br />
s da rac mTavaria, zogs imiT<br />
aSinebdnen, rom xma miecaT, zogs<br />
imiT aSinebdnen, rom arCevnebis<br />
dRes saxlidanac ki ar gamosuliyvnen.<br />
es aris uprecedentod<br />
binZuri arCevnebi.<br />
lagodexSi lagodexi-yvarlis<br />
#26 olqSi guram maWaraSvilma,<br />
„qarTuli ocneba” – 37.51%<br />
aiRo, guram kakalaSvilma, „enm”<br />
– 24.59%.<br />
meore turSi gadasul „enemes”<br />
kandidats miaCnia, rom lagodex-<br />
Si „ocnebis” mier dadgmuli gay-<br />
albeba bolos kuriozad eqca<br />
Tavad „ocnebas”:<br />
_ lagodexSi seriozuli gayalbeba<br />
iyo, aseTi ram gagigiaT?<br />
saarCevno ubanze ar iyo Sesabamisi<br />
biuleteni, ar eweros biuletenSi<br />
im olqis kandidati da<br />
amaze xmas ar iRebdes komisiis<br />
Tavmjdomare, sanamde erT-erTi<br />
Cemi mxardamWeri ar mivida xmis<br />
misacemad, manamde 39 biuleteni<br />
ukve Cayrili iyo yuTSi.<br />
am magaliTze meti rame unda<br />
guram kakalaSvili<br />
vTqva? es iyo Cveulebrivi gayalbeba.<br />
masobrivi teroris miuxedavad,<br />
didi Carevebis miuxedavad,<br />
didi zewolebis miuxedavad, „ocnebis”<br />
kandidatma mainc ver SeZlo<br />
misTvis sasurveli xmebis mogroveba.<br />
me, rogorc lagodexeli<br />
kaci, qarTveli kaci, vagrZeleb<br />
brZolas Cemi qveynisTvis. movuwodeb<br />
xelisuflebas, rac am<br />
arCevnebze gvaCvenes gayalbebis<br />
speqtaklebi, es maT saxes ufro<br />
da ufro kargad avlens!<br />
dabolos, miuxedavad imisa,<br />
rom zurab WiaberaSvilma piroba<br />
momca, rom komentars gaakeTebda<br />
da arCevnebs Seafasebda, aRmoCnda,<br />
rom baton zurabs CvenTvis<br />
aRar ecala da telefonze saer-<br />
Tod aRar gvipasuxa. samwuxaroa<br />
mediasTan misi amgvari damokidebuleba.<br />
dasasrul, vaJa ocnebaze ambobda:<br />
„fiqriani da mosazrebiani<br />
kacic Zlier ufrTxis ocnebas, _<br />
ufrTxis imitom, rom ocneba, jer<br />
erTi, tvins ulayebs kacsa da meore<br />
_ saqmes acdens. fiqriani<br />
kaci mxolod fiqrobs da magradaca<br />
fiqrobs. ras fiqrobs? _<br />
hm!.. gana, cota ram aris safiqrebeli<br />
qveyanaze! nabijs ver gadasdgam,<br />
rom fiqri ar iyos saWiro.<br />
diaR, fiqriani, mosazrebiani<br />
adamiani yvelaferze fiqrobs,<br />
rac ki ram cxovrebaSi xdeba:<br />
arafrisTvis arc Tvalebs, arc<br />
gonebas ar zogavs, oRond ki simarTle,<br />
sinamdvile Seityos,<br />
Tavisa da qveynis sasargeblo ram<br />
gaigos; eZiebs mizezs, ukvirdeba<br />
ra Sedegs... “<br />
faqti erTia: mosaxleobas<br />
arCevanis gakeTebaze metad, ukve,<br />
arCevnebze misvlac aRar uxaria...<br />
ratom?<br />
daiRala qveyana...<br />
daiRala ocnebiT, imediT da<br />
xvalindeli dRis lodiniT...<br />
imedia, yvelaferi kargad iqneba..<br />
„warmateba aris damarcxebaTa<br />
seria enTuziazmis dakargvis<br />
gareSe”, – uinston CerCili.<br />
27
294 69 77; qronikaqronika@gmail.com<br />
saparlamento postsarCevno<br />
qalaqis<br />
sakanonmdeblo organoSi sakon-<br />
xviCa vaSaymaZe<br />
stitucio umravlesobiT mosvlis<br />
SemTxvevaSi „qarTulma ocnebam”,<br />
sxva sakiTxebTan erTad, parlamentis quTaisidan TbilisSi ga-<br />
datana daaanonsa.<br />
amJamad moqmedi konstituciis<br />
ambebi,<br />
amJamad moqmedi konstituciis<br />
me-3 Tavis me-4 muxlSi vkiTxu-<br />
lobT:<br />
1. parlamentis adgilsamyofe-<br />
lia qalaqi quTaisi, parlamentis<br />
sasaxle.<br />
2. parlamentis adgilsamyof-<br />
lis droebiT Secvla sxdomis, an<br />
sesiis mowvevis mizniT dasaSvebia<br />
mxolod sagangebo da saomari<br />
mdgomareobebis dros. parlamen-<br />
tis adgilsamyoflis droebiT<br />
Secvlis Sesaxeb gadawyvetilebas<br />
plenaruli sxdomebis kviraSi<br />
iRebs parlamentis Tavmjdomare,<br />
xolo saqarTvelos konstituci-<br />
is 61-e muxlis me-2 punqtiT<br />
gaTvaliswinebul SemTxvevebSi _<br />
saqarTvelos prezidenti.<br />
„qarTuli ocnebis” mier gaJRerebuli<br />
gancxadebis Tanaxmad ki<br />
aRniSnul Canawers Secvla elodeba,<br />
rac quTaiss sabolood daukargavs<br />
Sanss, SeinarCunos statusi,<br />
rac misi ganviTarebis seriozul<br />
perspeqtivebs saxavda.<br />
quTaisSi arsebuli parlamentis<br />
Senoba 300 milion larze meti dajda.<br />
igi espaneli arqiteqtoris,<br />
alberto diegos proeqtis mixedviT<br />
aigo. 4200 kv.m-ze arsebul<br />
farTSi 270-mde kabineti da ramdenime<br />
sakonferencio darbazia<br />
ganTavsebuli. Senoba aRWurvilia<br />
Tanamedrove teqnikiT da iq samuSaod<br />
maqsimalurad komfortuli<br />
garemoa Seqmnili. Tu dRes quTais-<br />
Si parlamentis mimdebare teritoriaze<br />
moxvdebiT, TvalSi mogxvdebaT<br />
amovardnili da damsxvreuli<br />
filebi, daJanguli Zelskamebi, sam-<br />
Seneblo narCenebi da mouwesrigebeli<br />
mwvane safari. gasuli 4 wlis<br />
ganmavlobaSi sakanonmdeblo organos<br />
irgvliv araferi gakeTebula.<br />
rCeba STabeWdileba, rom daxarjuli<br />
milionebis wyalSi gadayra arc<br />
aravis aRelvebs.<br />
mmarTveli gundi mTeli 4 weli<br />
ocnebobda dedaqalaqSi gadabargebaze<br />
da amisTvis sxvadasxva<br />
versias sTavazobda sazogadoebas.<br />
Cveni zogierTi kanonmdebeli miiCnevda,<br />
rom parlamenti axlos unda<br />
iyos xalxTan. es is SemTxvevaa,<br />
roca vambobT xalxs da vgulisxmobT<br />
Tbiliss. am „argumentma~ sazogadoebis<br />
im nawilis aRSfoTeba<br />
gamoiwvia, romelic fiqrobs, rom<br />
quTaisSi, baTumSi, bolnissa Tu aspinZaSi<br />
xalxi cxovrobs da Tbilisis<br />
msgavsad isinic saqarTvelos<br />
moqalaqeebi arian. sakanonmdeblo<br />
`quTaisSi arsebuli parlamentis Senoba 300<br />
milion larze meti dajda. igi espaneli<br />
arqiteqtoris, alberto diegos proeqtis<br />
mixedviT aigo. 4200 kv.m-ze arsebul farTSi<br />
270-mde kabineti da ramdenime sakonferencio<br />
darbazia ganTavsebuli. Senoba aRWurvilia<br />
Tanamedrove teqnikiT da iq samuSaod<br />
maqsimalurad komfortuli garemoa Seqmnili.<br />
Tu dRes quTaisSi parlamentis mimdebare<br />
teritoriaze moxvdebiT, TvalSi mogxvdebaT<br />
amovardnili da damsxvreuli filebi,<br />
daJanguli Zelskamebi, samSeneblo narCenebi da<br />
mouwesrigebeli mwvane safari. gasuli 4 wlis<br />
ganmavlobaSi sakanonmdeblo organos irgvliv<br />
araferi gakeTebula. rCeba STabeWdileba, rom<br />
daxarjuli milionebis wyalSi gadayra arc<br />
aravis aRelvebs~<br />
organos gadatanis msurvelebi<br />
mTavrobasTan komunikaciis sir-<br />
Tuleebzec saubrobdnen. ubralod,<br />
daaviwydaT, rom XXI saukuneSi,<br />
Tanamedrove teqnologiebis arsebobis<br />
pirobebSi, komunikacia<br />
problemas ar unda warmoadgendes.<br />
arc im mizezma imuSava, romlis<br />
mixedviTac, TiTqos, teritoria,<br />
sadac Senobaa aRmarTuli, radiaciulia.<br />
es ususuri versia specialistebis<br />
mier kvlevis Catarebis<br />
Semdeg gaqarwylda. am da sxva<br />
mravali mizezis miuxedavad „qarTulma<br />
ocnebam” sakonstitucio cvlilebisTvis<br />
Sesabamisi raodenobis<br />
mxardamWerTa ararsebobis<br />
gamo quTaisidan sakanonmdeblo<br />
organos gadatana ver moaxerxa da<br />
deputatebmac „gadasaxlebis” periods<br />
„gmirulad” gauZles.<br />
saarCevno kampaniis dros Jurnalistebi<br />
(da ara marto isini)<br />
interesdebodnen, „qarTuli ocnebis”<br />
mier quTaisSi wardgenili<br />
maJoritarobis kandidatebi dauWeren<br />
Tu ara mxars parlamentis<br />
TbilisSi gadatanas? maT xmamaRla<br />
ganacxades, rom aRniSnul cvlilebas<br />
ar miesalmebian. es pozicia<br />
mediasTan Sexvedrisas koba<br />
narCemaSvilma daadastura, romelic<br />
mandatis mosapoveblad quTaisis<br />
49-e saarCevno olqSi „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” warmomadgenel<br />
gigi wereTels meore turSi<br />
daupirispirdeba.<br />
„parlamenti mSvenier adgilzea<br />
quTaisSi, Cemi azriT, qalaqSi, romelic<br />
istoriulad aris kulturuli,<br />
saganmanaTleblo da politikuri<br />
centri. Cemi oponentebis<br />
sayuradRebod minda vTqva, _ Tu<br />
gsurT, rom Tqveni saarCevno kampania<br />
imaze aagoT, rom quTaisidan<br />
gadaaqvT parlamenti, minda giTxraT,<br />
rom Tqven SecdomaSi SeiyvanT<br />
amomrCevels. Zalian mkafiod<br />
ramdenime dRis win premier-ministrma<br />
ganacxada, rom is da umravlesoba<br />
ar daapirebs xelis gadagrexiT<br />
moqmedebas da Tu quTaisel<br />
xalxs surs, parlamenti iq<br />
iyos, parlamenti iqneba quTaisSi.<br />
mec amas vuWer mxars!” _ acxadebs<br />
narCemaSvili da dasZens, rom 3-4<br />
weliwadSi quTaisi sul sxva Sesa-<br />
Zleblobebis qalaqi gaxdeba. nar-<br />
CemaSvilisve TqmiT, ramdenime<br />
dRis winaT premieris sazogadoebasTan<br />
gamarTulma Sexvedram mas<br />
gancda gauCina da garantia imisa,<br />
rom aRniSnul sakiTxze msjeloba<br />
ar iqneba da Tuki es sakiTxi daismeba,<br />
is winaaRmdeg miscems xmas.<br />
narCemaSvili 99,9%-iT darwmunebulia,<br />
rom kanonmdeblebs aRniSnulis<br />
ganxilva ar mouwevT.<br />
rTuli warmosadgenia, ramdenad<br />
gamarTldeba koba narCemaSvilis<br />
sityvebi da SeunarCunebs Tu<br />
ara „qarTuli ocneba” quTaiss saparlamento<br />
dedaqalaqis statuss?<br />
yoveli SemTxvevisTvis, aRniSnuls<br />
eWvis TvaliT uyurebs „nacionaluri<br />
moZraobis” kandidati da<br />
narCemaSvilis konkurenti gigi<br />
wereTeli, romelic saqarTvelos<br />
premier-ministrsa da „qarTuli<br />
ocnebis” uflebamosil pirebs mouwodebs,<br />
gancxadeba gaakeTon, romliTac<br />
mmarTveli gundis kandidatis<br />
mosaxleobisTvis micemul<br />
pirobas daadastureben. winaaRmdeg<br />
SemTxvevaSi, wereTeli miiCnevs,<br />
rom narCemaSvili an ar iziarebs<br />
„ocnebis” azrs, an amomrCevlebTan<br />
teqnikur svlas akeTebs.<br />
imis gasarkvevad, Tu ratomaa<br />
quTaisisTvis saparlamento statusis<br />
SenarCuneba mniSvnelovani<br />
da ras dakargavs qalaqi „ocnebis”<br />
ideis ganxorcielebis SemTxvevaSi,<br />
„qronika+” sazogadoebis im warmomadgenlebs<br />
gaesaubra, romlebic<br />
parlamentis quTaisidan gadatanis<br />
mowinaaRmdegeTa Soris arian.<br />
qeTevan berZeniSvili _ ar-<br />
asamTavrobo organizacia „ufl-<br />
ebebisa da ganaTlebisaTvis”:<br />
_ quTaisis, imereTisa da dasavleT<br />
saqarTvelos mniSvnelovani<br />
nawilis ganviTareba politikuri<br />
gadawyvetilebis Sedegad SeiZleba<br />
moxdes. parlamentis quTaisSi<br />
gadmotana swored am ideas emsaxureboda.<br />
dRes, Tanamedrove epoqaSi,<br />
rodesac wina wlebTan SedarebiT<br />
sagrZnoblad gaumjobesebulia<br />
internet teqnologiebi, ususurad<br />
meCveneba xelisuflebis<br />
warmomadgenlebisgan imis gancxadeba,<br />
rom parlamentisa da mTavrobis<br />
wevrebs Tu geografiulad<br />
erT arealSi ar eqnebaT Sexvedra,<br />
isini ver SeZleben komunikacias.<br />
Turme, SeuZlebeli yofila quTaisSi<br />
ucxouri delegaciebis maspinZloba;<br />
rom parlamenti da mTavroba<br />
unda iyos erTad. minda, maT<br />
Sevaxseno, rom interneti saSualebas<br />
iZleva, ara marto socialur<br />
qselSi vafiqsiroT mosazrebebi da<br />
ubralod gaverToT, aramed distanciuradac<br />
damyardes komunikacia.<br />
ara mgonia, marTebuli iyos<br />
maTi mxridan im argumentebze apelireba,<br />
rom amis gamo saqmianoba-<br />
Si xeli eSlebaT.<br />
darwmunebuli var, rom parlamentis<br />
quTaisidan gadatanis<br />
SemTxvevaSi kidev ufro gaZlierdeba<br />
qalaqidan migraciis procesi.<br />
axalgazrdebs kidev ufro naklebad<br />
eqnebaT rwmena, rom SeZleben<br />
Seqmnan sakuTari momavali aq.<br />
biznesi, romelic TandaTan fexs<br />
ikidebda, veRar iqneba ganvrcobadi.<br />
imaze saubari, rom aq Seiqmneba<br />
sauniversiteto centri da es<br />
gadaarCens qalaqs, cota bundovani<br />
da, amave dros, Zalian Soreuli<br />
momavlis perspeqtiva mgonia. am<br />
proeqtis ganxorcielebac ver<br />
Caanacvlebs saparlamento statusis<br />
arsebobas. deputatebma ara<br />
marto pirad keTildReobaze unda<br />
izrunon, aramed quTaisisa da sxva<br />
qalaqebis ganviTarebazec. Tbilisi,<br />
romelic Sida mograciis Sedegad<br />
gadatvirTulia mosaxleobiT,<br />
satransporto saSualebebiT da,<br />
amave dros, sxvadasxva uwyebiT,<br />
yalibdeba, rogorc qalaqi-saxelmwifo.<br />
igi izrdeba, magram mxolod<br />
qveynis sxva qalaqebisa da soflebis<br />
xarjze. Tavad TbiliselTa<br />
didi nawilic xvdeba, rom regionebis<br />
mcxovrebTa masobrivi migracia<br />
dedaqalaqs mxolod problemebs<br />
uqmnis. qveynis pirvel qalaqs<br />
araferi akldeba, Tu sakanonmdeblo<br />
organo iq ar ifunqcionirebs,<br />
quTaissa da dasavleT saqarTvelos<br />
ki es namdvilad waadgeba. Zalian<br />
mainteresebs, parlamentis gadatanis<br />
SemTxvevaSi ras upireben<br />
Senobas, romlis funqciuri datvirTva<br />
sxva miznebiT naklebad warmosadgenia?<br />
aRniSnuli Senoba mowyobilia<br />
konkretulad sakanonmdeblo<br />
organosTvis da misi, rogorc<br />
saswavlo dawesebulebad, an sxva<br />
saxiT gamoyeneba, ubralod, warmoudgenelia.<br />
Cemi azriT, saxelmwifoebrivad<br />
azrovneba mniSvnelovania<br />
da unda gamovideT ara piradi<br />
komfortidan, aramed qveynis<br />
interesebidan. imedi maqvs, rom<br />
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gaurkveveli momavali<br />
anu<br />
`parlamenti mSvenier adgilzea quTaisSi, Cemi azriT, qalaqSi,<br />
koba narCemaSvili<br />
„qarTuli ocneba” ar miiRebs qu-<br />
TaisisTvis saziano gadawyvetilebas<br />
da procesis inicirebiT qalaqis<br />
kvdomis mizezi ar gaxdeba.<br />
giorgi TevdoraZe _ parlamen-<br />
tari, „nacionaluri moZraobis”<br />
wevri:<br />
_ quTaisis yvelaze mniSvnelovani<br />
problema aris misi funqcia.<br />
es aris sakiTxi, romelic axali<br />
namdvilad ar gaxlavT da amasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT uamravi avtoritetuli<br />
adamianisa da rigiTi quTaiselis<br />
gulis wyveta da pretenzia<br />
mogvismenia. aseve TvalSi sacemia<br />
qalaqSi arsebuli mZime ekonomikuri<br />
da socialuri foni, ris<br />
giorgi TevdoraZe _ parlamen-<br />
`enm~?<br />
gamoc axalgazrdoba mas permanentulad<br />
tovebs. garda imisa, rom<br />
saparlamento quTaisis arsebobis<br />
SemTxvevaSi konkretulad aris<br />
garkveuli misi perspeqtiva, momavali<br />
da ganviTarebis SesaZlebloba,<br />
rac niSnavs imas, rom qalaqi<br />
iqneba qveynis politikuri centri,<br />
es funqcia aseve seriozulad<br />
aris mibmuli ekonomikasTan. martivad<br />
rom vTqvaT, im adamianebis<br />
ricxvi, romlebic mzad iqnebian,<br />
ganaxorcielon investireba, gacilebiT<br />
meti iqneba saparlamento<br />
statusis pirobebSi, vidre bundovani<br />
momavlis mqone qalaqis arsebobis<br />
SemTxvevaSi. amitom Cven<br />
vfiqrobT, rom saparlamento funqciis<br />
quTaisi es aris ekonomikurad<br />
Zlieri qalaqi, rasac mohyveba<br />
samuSao adgiliebi, TviTrealizebis<br />
meti Sansi, rac mosaxleobisTvis,<br />
maTi duxWiri yoveldRiurobis<br />
pirobebSi, mniSvnelovani<br />
Svela iqneba. rac mTavaria, yvelafer<br />
amiT SevaCerebT umniSvnelovanes<br />
fatalur process _<br />
qalaqidan inteleqtis gadinebas.<br />
dRes mosaxleobas eubnebian,<br />
rom parlamentSi yvela ver dsaqmdeba<br />
da Sesabamisad, is ver Seqmnis<br />
fons qalaqSi. vfiqrob, rom am<br />
kuTxiT sakiTxis dayeneba mcdaria<br />
da mosaxleobis SecdomaSi Seyvana.<br />
quTaisisTvis saparlamento statusi<br />
ar niSnavs imas, rom dasaqmebis<br />
adgili sakanonmdeblo organo<br />
iqneba. statusi niSnavs bevr investors,<br />
mZlavr kerZo seqtors da<br />
imas, rom samuSao adgilebi Seiqmneba<br />
ara parlamentSi, aramed sakanonmdeblo<br />
organos aq arsebobis<br />
pirobebSi. biznesis daintereseba<br />
saparlamento quTaisiT gacilebiT<br />
metadaa SesaZlebeli, vidre<br />
qalaqiT, romelsac ar gaaCnia<br />
Tavisi konkretuli perspeqtiva.<br />
_ parlamentis gadatanis<br />
SemTxvevaSi ra mesijs miiRebs<br />
qalaqi?<br />
_ Tuki „ocnebam” SeZlo da mar-<br />
Tla gadaitana parlamenti quTaisidan,<br />
es iqneba imis mesiji, rom<br />
saqarTvelos dRevandel xelisuflebas<br />
ar ainteresebs regionuli<br />
ganviTareba, decentralizacia. igi<br />
kvlav rCeba Tbilisis monocentrizmis<br />
momxred, rac 90-iani<br />
wlebidan gansakuTrebiT ikveTeba<br />
da amis gamo, praqtikulad, mxolod<br />
da mxolod, dedaqalaqi ganviTarda.<br />
sazogadoeba ukve Sedarebas<br />
akeTebs da Tavkombalas uwodebs<br />
mas. praqtkulad, scenaris ase<br />
ganviTareba niSnavs imas, rom imereTsa<br />
da mTlianad dasavleT<br />
saqarTvelos ganviTarebis aranairi<br />
perspeqtiva ar eqneba da<br />
quTaisSi daiwyeba Seuqcevadi kvdomis<br />
procesi, rac xelisuflebas<br />
namdvilad ar unda awyobdes.<br />
monocentrizmis pirobebSi Tbilisic<br />
ver viTardeba. dedaqalaqSi<br />
meti Casuli adamiani Cndeba, metadaa<br />
gajerebuli adamianiuri resursiT,<br />
rac, bunebrivia, adgilobrivi<br />
mosaxleobisTvis iq cxovrebas<br />
komfortuls namdvilad ar<br />
xdis. rac ufro bevri kulturuli,<br />
socialuri da politikuri<br />
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romelic istoriulad aris kulturuli, saganmanaTleblo da<br />
politikuri centri. Cemi oponentebis sayuradRebod minda vTqva, - Tu<br />
gsurT, rom Tqveni saarCevno kampania imaze aagoT, rom quTaisidan<br />
gadaaqvT parlamenti, minda giTxraT, rom Tqven SecdomaSi SeiyvanT<br />
amomrCevels. Zalian mkafiod ramdenime dRis win premier-ministrma<br />
ganacxada, rom is da umravleosaba ar daapirebs xelis gadagrexiT<br />
moqmedebas da Tu quTaisel xalxs surs, parlamenti iq iyos,<br />
parlamenti iqneba quTaisSi. mec amas vuWer mxars!~<br />
giorgi TevdoraZe<br />
centri iqneba qveyanaSi, miT ufro<br />
metad ganviTardeba procesebi da<br />
gveyoleba meti ganaTlebuli, gemovnebiani,<br />
momavalze orientirebuli<br />
adamiani. es yvelaferi aris<br />
qveyanaSi social-ekonomikuri winsvlis<br />
winapiroba. „qarTuli ocnebis”<br />
ideis ganxorcielebis pirobebSi<br />
ara marto quTaisi darCeba<br />
wagebuli, aramed regionebic da<br />
rac mTavaria, dedaqalaqi, romlis<br />
keTili momavali, romlis av-kargi<br />
damokidebulia swored regionebis<br />
ganviTarebaze. SeuZlebelia ganvixilavdeT<br />
calke ganviTarebul<br />
Tbiliss, Tuki ar ganviTardeba bolnisi,<br />
rusTavi, zugdidi Tu quT-<br />
apirebs<br />
aisi. imis mcdeloba, rom dedaqalaqSi<br />
unda gavakeToT uyvelafris<br />
akumulireba, mcdari Sexedulebaa<br />
da swored snobizms ukav-<br />
Sirdeba, _ parlamentis wevrebsa<br />
da iq momuSave adamianebs ar undaT<br />
vera-vakis daTmoba. maT ar SeuZliaT<br />
mniSvnelovan mentalur, stereotipul<br />
bariers gadaabijon da<br />
ifiqron, rom sadme sxvaganac Sei-<br />
Zleba Cveulebrivad imuSao, iRvawo<br />
da qveynis ganviTarebas Seuwyo<br />
xeli.<br />
_ ramdenad seriozulad aRiqvamT<br />
koba narCemaSvilis gancxadebas,<br />
rom is mxars dauWers parla-<br />
mentis quTaisSi darCenas?<br />
_ xelis aRebiT ar SemiZlia,<br />
vinmes gulwrfelobaze da pirovnul<br />
Rirebulebebze visaubro,<br />
magram mainc mgonia, rom am SemTxvevaSi<br />
koba narCemaSvili, msgavsad<br />
misi bevri Tanagundelisa, aragulwrfelia.<br />
roca dainaxes, rom Sansi<br />
aqvT sakonstitucio umravlsobiT<br />
mosvlisa, partiis aRmasrulebelma<br />
mdivanma naTlad ganacxada, rom<br />
erT-erTi pirveli sakiTxi, romelic<br />
sakonstitucio cvlilebebis<br />
TvalsazrisiT ganixileba, es iqneba<br />
parlamentis quTaisidan TbilisSi<br />
dabruneba. ase rom, es iaffasiani<br />
winasaarCevno populizmia,<br />
romelic dRes meore turSi gasul<br />
koba narCemaSvils sWirdeba. es ar<br />
aris gulmxurvale mamuliSvlisa<br />
da qveynis momavalze dafiqrebuli<br />
im adamianis pozicia, romelic<br />
SeewinaaRmdegeba sakuTar partias<br />
da dinebis aRma wava imisTvis, rom<br />
quTaiss realuri momavali hqondes.<br />
yvelafers dro gviCvenebs.<br />
xaTuna canava _ „quTaisis qal-<br />
Ta klubi”:<br />
_ quTaisSi parlamentis arseboba<br />
xels Seuwyobs socialur-politikuri,<br />
samxedro, demografiuli,<br />
ekonomikuri da qveynis sxva siZlieris<br />
ganmsazRvreli faqtorebis<br />
gaaqtiurebas. qveyanaSi, sadac teritoriebis<br />
mniSvnelovani nawili<br />
okupirebulia, mxolod centris<br />
ganviTarebaze orientacia kidev<br />
ufro asustebs qveynis strategiul<br />
poziciebs. parlamentis qu-<br />
TaisSi funqcionireba gacilebiT<br />
metia, vidre mxolod am regionSi<br />
da kerZod konkretul qalaqSi<br />
mcxovrebTa keTildReobaze zrunva.<br />
eTnikuri erTgvarovnebiT<br />
gamorCeul saxelmwifoSi arc ise<br />
Znelia damkvidrebuli mankieri<br />
sabWouri marTvis meqanizmebis<br />
rRveva, amis gamocdileba qarTul<br />
saxelmwifos ukve aqvs. erovnuli<br />
sulis SesanarCuneblad da socialuri<br />
integraciis asamaRleblad<br />
mniSvnelovania swored regionuli<br />
ganviTarebis efeqtiani<br />
politikis ganxorcieleba. Tu saparlamento<br />
statusiT ver SeZlo<br />
qalaqma da regionma funqcionireba,<br />
sauniversiteto da saganmana-<br />
Tleblo statusiT quTaisis warmodgena<br />
kidev ufro naklebad damajarebeli<br />
aRmoCndeba.<br />
regionis turistuli, ekonomikuri<br />
da kulturuli potencialis<br />
realizaciisTvis parlamentis<br />
adgilsamyofelis quTaisSi gansazRvra<br />
ualternativo gadawyvetilebaa.<br />
Tu Tanamedrove qarTuli sazogadoeba<br />
erTiandeba demokratiuli<br />
ideebiT, albaT im mosazrebasac<br />
unda eTanxmebodes, rom qveynis<br />
yvela politikuri, ekonomikuri,<br />
socialuri da kulturuli<br />
resursi mxolod erT konkretul<br />
sivrceSi ar unda ganTavsdes. sakanonmdeblo<br />
organos adgilmdebareoba<br />
ar niSnavs decentralizacias,<br />
vinaidan am formiT ar xdeba<br />
raime sajaro xelisuflebis gadacema<br />
regionuli da adgilobrivi<br />
xelisuflebisTvis. Sesabamisad,<br />
mTavrobasTan da sxva saxelisuflebo<br />
organoebTan da uwyebebT-<br />
ras<br />
an saTanamSromlod raime Zireuli<br />
cvlilebebi ar aris saWiro. rodesac<br />
saubroben sirTuleebze, Sei-<br />
Zleba warmovidginoT gazrdili<br />
warmomadgenlobiTi xarjebi. Tumca<br />
Tu am yvelafers davupirispirebT<br />
sakuTari mosaxleobisTvis<br />
sajaro sivrceebze Tanabari<br />
xelmisawvdomobis mniSvnelobas,<br />
Sesabamisad yvela administraciuli<br />
xarji da transportirebisTvis<br />
daxarjuli dro baTilia.<br />
Zalian didi Zalisxmeva iqneba<br />
saWiro imisTvis, rom qalaqma sxva<br />
funqcia ase mokle droSi SeiZinos.<br />
samwuxarod, rCeba STabeWdileba,<br />
rom sikeTeebi (qalaqis infrastruqturaze<br />
zrunva, axali servisebis<br />
ganviTareba, turistuli garemos<br />
gaumjobeseba), romelic parlamentis<br />
gadmotanas SeiZleba moetana<br />
regionisTvis, xelovnurad Sez-<br />
Rudes da srulad ar gamoiyenes.<br />
resursebis blokirebam qalaqis<br />
potencialis zrdas sagrZnoblad<br />
SeuSala xeli.<br />
axali mowvevis parlamentis<br />
Sekrebamde arcTu ise didi dro<br />
darCa. Sesabamisad, male gairkveva,<br />
qarTveli parlamentarebi rusTavelis<br />
prospeqtze aRmarTul SenobaSi<br />
saqmianobas ufro mniSvnelovnad<br />
miiCneven, Tu quTaisisTvis<br />
Sansis micemas? bunebrivia,<br />
saparlamento statusi qalaqs,<br />
romelmac qveynis istoriaSi udidesi<br />
roli Seasrula, sasicocxlod<br />
sWirdeba. arsebuli statusis<br />
sapirwoned SemoTavazebuli variantebi<br />
ki mxolod cru imedebia da<br />
sxva araferi. nu dagvaviwydeba,<br />
rom dasustebuli da dacarielebuli<br />
quTaisi ara marto am qalaqis<br />
mcxovrebTa problemaa.<br />
`Tuki "ocnebam" SeZlo da marTla gadaitana<br />
parlamenti quTaisidan, es iqneba imis mesiji,<br />
rom saqarTvelos dRevandel xelisuflebas ar<br />
ainteresebs regionuli ganviTareba,<br />
decentralizacia. igi kvlav rCeba Tbilisis<br />
monocentrizmis momxred, rac 90-iani wlebidan<br />
gansakuTrebiT ikveTeba da amis gamo,<br />
praqtikulad, mxolod da mxolod, dedaqalaqi<br />
ganviTarda. sazogadoeba ukve Sedarebas<br />
akeTebs da Tavkombalas uwodebs mas.<br />
praqtkulad, scenaris ase ganviTareba niSnavs<br />
imas, rom imereTsa da mTlianad dasavleT<br />
saqarTvelos ganviTarebis aranairi<br />
perspeqtiva ar eqneba da quTaisSi daiwyeba<br />
Seuqcevadi kvdomis procesi, rac xelisuflebas<br />
namdvilad ar unda awyobdes. monocentrizmis<br />
pirobebSi Tbilisic ver viTardeba.<br />
dedaqalaqSi meti Casuli adamiani Cndeba,<br />
metadaa gajerebuli adamianiuri resursiT,<br />
rac, bunebrivia, adgilobrivi mosaxleobisTvis<br />
iq cxovrebas komfortuls namdvilad ar xdis~<br />
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kanoniT erovnuli bankis<br />
Sesaxeb valdebulia, qveyanaSi Sein-<br />
lia eliava<br />
lia eliava:<br />
`erovnuli banki ver<br />
ereva Tavisi funqciebis<br />
adekvatur Sesrulebas!~<br />
arCunos fasebis stabiluroba, es<br />
aris misi mTavari amocana organuli<br />
kanonis Tanaxmad da am mTavari<br />
amocanis Sesasruleblad mas, praqtikulad,<br />
erTi berketi ukavia, es<br />
aris savaluto kursi. swored<br />
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uars ambobs kanonis moTxovnebis<br />
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problema dakavSirebulia savaluto<br />
kursTan, fasebis zrdasTan,<br />
inflaciis maCvenebelTan, romelic<br />
axla katastrofulad dabalia.<br />
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rom misi miznobrivi maCvenebeli am<br />
wlisTvis inflaciis 5%-ia, anu<br />
amis miuRwevloba, es yvelaferi<br />
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sakmaod rTulia. erovnuli banki<br />
ver ereva Tavisi funqciebis adekvatur<br />
Sesrulebas!<br />
_ Tqveni, rogorc dargis spe-<br />
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bis winaSe?<br />
_ pirveli da yvelaze mniSvnelovania,<br />
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spekulaciuri kapitalis faqtori.<br />
meore: erovnulma bankma, bolos da<br />
bolos, unda gaataros savaluto<br />
politika, rac gulisxmobs maT<br />
Soris valutis gasvlis kontrols.<br />
vTqvaT, erTbaSad, 10 milioni<br />
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amis gakeTeba xvalve Sei-<br />
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ramdenime Tvisa da wlis Semdeg<br />
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konvertirebas da aRar iqneba<br />
saWiro komerciuli bankebisTvis<br />
aseTi finansuri zewolis formiT<br />
es kapitali, anu ukve gadaiqceoda<br />
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ise, rom es ar imoqmedebs<br />
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funqciebi da gaataros adekvaturi<br />
fulad-sakredito da<br />
savaluto politika, meti filosofia<br />
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`saqme gvaqvs Zalian mZime garemoebasTan. pirveli - yvelaze mniSvnelovani:<br />
qveynidan gadis kapitali, anu garbis da komerciul bankebs ar gaaCniaT<br />
sakmarisi savaluto saxsrebi am gaqceuli kapitalis momsaxurebisTvis,<br />
anu gadasaricxad. Sesabamisad, iqmneba dolaris deficiti, romelic<br />
zrdis mis fass da amitomac aris, rom erovnuli banki savaluto<br />
intervenciiT nawilobriv uvsebs am deficits komerciul bankebs; meore -<br />
qveynidan gaqceuli kapitali: es aris pirdapiri investiciebi, romelic<br />
qveyanaSi magrdeba, es aris Tavisuflad moZravi kapitali, romelic,<br />
praqtikulad, ar muSaobs ekonomikis realuri seqtorisTvis da advilad<br />
gadaadgildeba qveynidan. Sesabamisad, erovnuli banki am faqtors unda<br />
iTvaliswinebdes savaluto kursis dadgenisas, romelsac axla ar<br />
iTvaliswinebs da, Sesabamisad, me amas qafs vuZaxi, radgan is ar aris<br />
momuSave kapitali, gavlenas axdens laris kursze. anu pirveli, rogorc<br />
vTqvi, es aris qveynidan kapitalis gaqceva da meore - es aris laris<br />
gacvliTi kursis dadgenis meTodologiis simaxinje. es ori ZiriTadi<br />
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evropul kanonmdeblobas dauaxlovdes?<br />
ra unda gaakeTos pirvel<br />
rigSi momavalma xelisuflebam,<br />
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unda aiRos saxelmwifom, kerZod,<br />
garemos dacvis saministrom. am mimarTulebiT<br />
unda aRdges kontroli<br />
da Zalian mniSvnelovania, realurad<br />
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ukavSirdeba.<br />
_ saubari iyo, aseve, transpor-<br />
tis teqdaTvalierebis Taobaze,<br />
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uri TvalsazrisiT xsnis. Tqven ra<br />
azris xarT am sakiTxTan mimarTe-<br />
biT?<br />
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es aris saxelmwifos erT-erTi<br />
valdebuleba. gvinda Tu ar gvinda,<br />
ramdenadac ar unda iyos momgebiani<br />
socialuri TvalsazrisiT,<br />
mosaxleobis dasaqmebidan gamomdinare,<br />
es aris is valdebule-<br />
nino CxobaZe<br />
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ba, romelic saqarTvelom pirvel<br />
rigSi unda Seasrulos. teqdaTvaliereba<br />
unda ganxorcieldes da<br />
igi sworad unda warimarTos. es<br />
imas ar niSnavs, rom moZvelebul<br />
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rom es erT-erTi pirveli rigis<br />
problemaa. Tumca es problema<br />
marto centralurma xelisuflebam<br />
ar unda akeTos, aramed adgilobrivma<br />
TviTmmarTvelobebmac.<br />
maT TavianT teritoriebze garkveuli<br />
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zonebSi didi manqanebis gadaadgileba<br />
unda SeizRudos. zogierT<br />
qalaqSi, sadac mopovebuli madneuli<br />
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saSinel mtvers iwvevs. mkacrad<br />
unda iyos daculi is wesebi, romlis<br />
mixedviTac manqana gadaxuruli<br />
unda moZraobdes da qalaqSi<br />
mtvers ar unda avrcelebdes. amaze<br />
gadawyvetileba qalaqebma unda miiRon.<br />
aseve mniSvnelovania SemovliTi<br />
gzebi.<br />
_ tyeebis dacvisa da gamwvanebis<br />
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ikoWlebT...<br />
_ samwuxarod, tyis safari<br />
mkveTrad mcirdeba, ver<br />
aRviqviT, rom am mxriv<br />
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gamoyeneba,<br />
aramed gvaqvs<br />
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da yuradReba<br />
maT Senar-<br />
Cunrbaze<br />
unda gavamaxviloT.<br />
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kidev damatebiTi problemaa,<br />
romelsac prevenciuli RonisZiebebis<br />
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CemTvis Zalian mniSvnelovania, es<br />
aris wiaRiseulis mopovebasTan<br />
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anu punqtebi, romelic wiaRiseuls<br />
icavda, TiTqmis aRar aris da<br />
ufro mtaceblurad movipovebT.<br />
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iyo samtrediaSi, axla<br />
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unda SeizRudos, sadac bevri faqtoria<br />
gasaTvaliswinebeli. Tvi-<br />
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Zalian seriozuli<br />
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2-wliani SeRavaTi aqvs<br />
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erTi da igive xalxi ireva. mivmarTe<br />
da Cavabare Cemi devnilis<br />
bileTi. moviTxove, rom momixsnan<br />
devnilis statusi, imitom rom<br />
araferSi margia. me mivmarTav<br />
saerTaSoriso organoebs, aSS-s<br />
saelCos, evrosabWos warmomadgenlobas,<br />
magram am faqts reagirebis<br />
gareSe ar davtoveb. am<br />
saqmes Sevewirebi, magram TiToeul<br />
adamianze dosies gavakeTeb,<br />
yvela im aferistze, vinc ki olimpiur<br />
qalaqSi Sesaxldeba, movagroveb<br />
yvela informacias. me xom<br />
vicnob am xalxs? Cems mTavrobas<br />
ki ar vadanaSauleb. Cemi xalxis<br />
siRoresac ar daadga saSveli,<br />
rom es mTavroba SecdomaSi SehyavT.<br />
ver gaZRa maTi muceli am<br />
23 wlis ganmavlobaSi.<br />
„qronika+” TemasTan dakav-<br />
SirebiT devnilTa da gansaxleb-<br />
is saministros sazogadoebasTan<br />
urTierTobis departamentis<br />
ufross, dali gogolaZes<br />
daukavSirda:<br />
_ nebismier devnils iuridiulad<br />
ufleba aqvs, rom uari Tqvas<br />
devnilobaze. ganmcxadebels<br />
SeuZlia miuTiTos, an ar miuTi-<br />
Tos mizezi, anu safuZveli.<br />
nata xafTani:<br />
_ aravis vusurveb imas, rac<br />
jer afxazeTSi da samaCabloSi<br />
omis dros, Semdeg ki 23 wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
devnilobaSi gamoviareT.<br />
Tqven verasdros mixvdebiT<br />
imas, Tu ra aris omi, omSi naTesavebis<br />
sikvdili, devniloba, Tu<br />
ratom ver akiTxaven dedebi daRupuli<br />
Svilebis saflavebs! Tqven<br />
ra ggoniaT, devnilebs ar mobezrdaT<br />
23-wliani devniloba da<br />
Tqvennairi viTom patrioti „kritikosebi”?!<br />
gawamebul devnilebs<br />
RmerTma meti misces da male mSvidobianad<br />
dabrunebuliyvnen<br />
TavianT saxlebSi. me, nato xaf-<br />
Tani, davibade da gavizarde afxazeTSi.<br />
1992 wlis pirvel oqtombers<br />
Cems ojaxTan erTad davtove<br />
gagra 4 mcirewlovan SvilTan<br />
34<br />
da meuRlesTan erTad. mas mere<br />
23 weliwadi gavida. mTeli am xnis<br />
ganmavlobaSi saTuTad mitarebia<br />
is tkivili da monatreba, rac Tan<br />
axlavs samSoblos dakargvas. yovelTvis<br />
vgrZnobdi im moqalaqeobriv<br />
valdebulebas, rac Cemi afxazeTis<br />
winaSe mqonda. SesaZleblobebis<br />
farglebSi amas gamovxatavdi<br />
Cemi satelevizio gadacemebiT,<br />
mokrZalebuli poeziiT da<br />
publicisturi werilebiT. Tumca<br />
yovelTvis vgrZnobdi, rom Cemnairi<br />
adamianebi aravis sWirdeboda.<br />
devnilTa saministros mier<br />
gamoqveynebulma siebma kidev er-<br />
Txel damarwmuna, rom arafers<br />
azri ar aqvs. imis Rirsadac ki<br />
aravin CamTvala, rom Cemi gancxadeba<br />
ganexilaT. ukve mivmarTe<br />
devnilTa ministrs, baton subars<br />
Tad quCaSi davrCi. maSin, faqtobrivad,<br />
ar arsebobda saxelmwifo<br />
da CemnairebisTvis erTaderTi<br />
Sansi farTis dakavebisa sadme Se-<br />
Wra iyo. mTel Tbiliss kargad axsovs<br />
devnilTa SeWris faqtebi. me<br />
es ar gamikeTebia. naTesavis bina-<br />
Si gadavedi, magram mere is bina<br />
gasxvisda da dRemde qiriT var.<br />
aravin Semiwuxebia. Cemi meuRle<br />
ruseTSi wavida da iqidan gvawvdida<br />
saarsebo lukma-purs. Cemi<br />
idea fiqsi arasodes yofila, rom<br />
maincdamainc TbilisSi moecaT<br />
bina. amoiRon Cemi gancxadebebi<br />
da naxon. 2013 wels, xelisuflebis<br />
Secvlis Semdeg, devnilTa<br />
saministrom SeimuSava brZaneba<br />
320, igive „maregulirebeli aqti<br />
devnilTa sacxovreblebiT uzrunvelyofis<br />
Sesaxeb”, romlis mi-<br />
_ Tu yofila amis preceden-<br />
ti?<br />
_ yofila, magram erTeulebi.<br />
isic maSin, rodesac sxva SeRavaTebze,<br />
an piradi interesebidan<br />
gamomdinare akeTebdnen.<br />
_ nato xafTani acxadebs, rom<br />
4 Svilis dedas biniT ar akmayofileben<br />
da imaT akmayofile-<br />
ben, romelTac ar ekuTvniT...<br />
_ am qalbatonis pretenziebi<br />
Tavidan bolomde usafuZvloa. es<br />
aris tyuili, imitom rom aseTi<br />
Sepireba ar arsebobs. erT rameze<br />
SevTanxmdeT: es aris klasikuri<br />
ciliswameba. binebi komisiurad<br />
nawildeba. am komisiaSi 35 kaci<br />
Sedis: „axalgazrda iuristTa<br />
asociacia”, gaero, saxalxo damcveli,<br />
evrokavSiri da a. S.<br />
gagrZeleba 37-e gv.<br />
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sami `arCevnebis dRe~ erT TveSi _<br />
vis airCevs samegrelo meore turSi?<br />
zugdidSi 8 oqtombers naCve-<br />
laSa berulava<br />
nebma Sedegma, sadac, molodinis<br />
577 20 86 13<br />
sawinaaRmdegod, sandra rulovs-<br />
ma pirvel turSi ver gaimarjva,<br />
enm-s momxreebs guli gautexa, „qarTuli ocneba” ki gaaerTiana.<br />
swored „ocnebis” sasargeblod metyvelebs is faqti, rom cno-<br />
badobis kuTxiT, praqtikulad, ucnobma kandidatma (imis mi-<br />
uxedavad, rom gamgebelic iyo) ediSer Toloraiam sandraze,<br />
sul raRac, 250-ode xmiT naklebi miiRo da meore turSi mas<br />
unda Seerkinos.<br />
mogexsenebaT, rom regionebSi,<br />
gansakuTrebiT ki im regionebSi,<br />
sadac enm aSkara upiratesobiT<br />
igebda, „ocnebas” mTeli yuradReba<br />
mainc saarCevno ubnebze hqonda<br />
gadatanili, sadac, aseve, sxvadasxva<br />
xerxis gamoyenebiT, xan abaTilebda<br />
ubnebze bevr biuletens da<br />
ase aklebda xmebs mowinaaRmdeges,<br />
an kidev pirdapir arbevda, sadac<br />
sxvanairad ar gamodioda.<br />
SeiZleba iTqvas, rom „ocnebam”<br />
am arCevnebze imaze ufro imuSava,<br />
rom Tavad ki ar aeRo bevri xma,<br />
yvela resursi gamoeyenebina imisTvis,<br />
rom mowinaaRmdeges bevri<br />
xma ar mieRo. es, rasakvirvelia,<br />
sulac ar akninebs „ocnebis” Stabis<br />
im flangis damsaxurebas,<br />
romelsac amomrCevlis mobilizeba<br />
exeboda:<br />
maT Cinebulad gaarTves Tavi<br />
amocanas da xalxi gamoiyvanes,<br />
xolo amomrCevlis im nawilis xmebi,<br />
romlebic marTla im muxtiT<br />
iyvnen gasuli gareT, raTa qveyanaSi<br />
arsebuli realoba SeecvalaT,<br />
„ocnebisTvis” sasargeblod daTvales<br />
_ es ukve „ocnebis” meore fr-<br />
Tam Seasrula, romelic am arCevnebze<br />
ubnebsa da xmebis daTvlaze<br />
iyo pasuxismgebeli.<br />
magaliTad, zugdidSi, roca sa-<br />
Ramosken sandra rulovsis xmebma<br />
aSkarad imata da konkurentTan<br />
sxvaoba 300 xmas Camoscda, „qarTuli<br />
ocneba” dafacurda. es 300 xma<br />
daifareboda, Tuki sandra rulovsi<br />
jixaSkarsa da ganmuxurSi didi<br />
upiratesobiT moigebda. amave<br />
dros, ar iyo gamoricxuli, rulovsi<br />
50%-sac ki gadacdeniliyo,<br />
„qarTuli ocnebis” saTavo ofisis,<br />
piradad, biZina ivaniSvilis davaleba<br />
ki is iyo, rom zugdidSi aramc<br />
da aramc ar unda waegoT, minimum,<br />
meore turamde mainc unda misuliyo<br />
saqme.<br />
sabolood, asec moxda: jixaSkarSi<br />
ori ubani daarbies, xolo<br />
ganmuxuris ubanze xmebis daTvla<br />
CaSales. metic, arCevnebis Semdeg,<br />
xelaxali xmis micemis procesis<br />
zRurblze, sasamarTlom ar Secvala<br />
saolqo komisiis gadawyvetileba<br />
ganmuxurSi ubanze xmis Sedegebis<br />
gabaTilebis Sesaxeb.<br />
meore turis win sandra rulovsisa<br />
da ediSer Toloraias Sansebi<br />
Tanabaria, Tumca didad gasakviri<br />
namdvilad ar iqneba, Tu „ocnebis”<br />
kandidati gaimarjvebs. Tu mar-<br />
Tlac ase moxdeba da ubnebze, sadac<br />
sandra rulovsis mxardaWera<br />
8 oqtombers maRali iyo, xolo meore<br />
turis Semdeg dabali aRmoCndeba,<br />
unda vivaraudoT, rom enm-s<br />
amomrCevels guli gautyda da ar-<br />
Cevnebis meore turze wasvlis Sansi<br />
ver dainaxa.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, politsabWos<br />
cnobili sxdomis Semdeg, roca sandra<br />
rulovss parlamentSi SesvlasTan<br />
da meore turSi monawileobasTan<br />
dakavSirebiT SekiTxva<br />
dausves, man Tavi aarida pasuxs da<br />
ganacxada, _ CemTan jer meore<br />
turebiao. xolo SekiTxvaze, _ moswons<br />
Tu ara gadawyvetileba, mxolod<br />
is axsena, _ me politsabWos<br />
wevri ar var, ar vmonawileobdi<br />
kenWisyraSi da verafers getyviTo.<br />
mogvianebiT, sandra rulovss<br />
isic hkiTxes, _ Tu iRebT rCevebs<br />
Tqveni meuRlisgano? razec yofilma<br />
pirvelma ledim pirdapir<br />
uTxra, _ me yvelasgan viReb gonivrul<br />
rCevebs da, rasakvirvelia,<br />
Cemi meuRlec maT Sorisaao.<br />
sandra rom samegreloSi miSas-<br />
Tan iyo asocirebuli, amas bevri<br />
mkiTxaoba arc sWirdeba. savaraudod,<br />
swored amiT aixsneboda is<br />
winaswari molodini, rac zugdidsa<br />
da zugdidis raionis soflebSi<br />
namdvilad SeimCneoda: TviT „ocnebis”<br />
warmomadgenelTa colebic<br />
ki ar tovebdnen uyuradRebod sandra<br />
rulovsis Sexvedrebs da iq<br />
ara asarevad, aramed mosasmenad midiodnen,<br />
„qocobas” ki gulmodgined<br />
malavdnen. Tumca sofels,<br />
aba, ra damalvia, eg rom damalvoda<br />
da erTi-orjer es qalebi gamoiWires<br />
kidec, ris Semdegac uazro<br />
Tavis marTlebaze gadavidnen,<br />
_ aq imisTvis movediT, sandra tyuilebSi<br />
gamogveWira da uazro braldebebi<br />
ar SegverCinao...<br />
maS, ase! mTavari sajildao qva<br />
isev samegreloa: Tu samegreloSi<br />
sandra rulovsi meore turSi<br />
waagebs, es axal eWvebs warmoqmnis<br />
maTTvis, vinc SeTqmulebis Teoriebisgan<br />
Sors ar dgas. es xalxi<br />
ityvis, rom sandra mogebuli iyo,<br />
magram waagebines, raTa sxva ma-<br />
Joritarebis wagebebi, magaliTad,<br />
elene xoStarias mosalodneli<br />
damarcxeba TbilisSi, gaemarTlebinaT.<br />
Tuki sandra rulovsi gaimarjvebs,<br />
es isev SeTqmulebis Teoriis<br />
momxreebis wisqvilze daasxams<br />
wyals, radgan imis niSani iqneba,<br />
rom maqsimaluri mobilizebis<br />
SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba gamarjveba<br />
meore turSic ki im mocemuloba-<br />
Si, roca pirveli turis SedegebiT<br />
250-ze meti xmiT CamorCebi.<br />
meore turamde ki samegrelos<br />
or ubanze _ jixaSkaris darbeul<br />
ubnebze _ xelaxali kenWisyraa. 22<br />
oqtombers daitesteba, ra suraTi<br />
iqneba meore turze, miva Tu ara<br />
amomrCeveli arCevnebis meore turSi<br />
xmis misacemad da Tu miva, iRebs<br />
Tu ara yurad opoziciuri partiebis<br />
liderebisa Tu arasamTavrobo<br />
organizaciebis mowodebas<br />
imis Sesaxeb, rom meore turze xma<br />
miscen arasaxelisuflebo partias...<br />
kacma rom Tqvas, jixaSkarelebisTvis<br />
xelaxali kenWisyra principis<br />
sakiTxicaa: swored jixaSkarelebi<br />
TavianT sofelSi aRudgnen<br />
win orjer sandras Sexvedris CaSlas<br />
da maTve ekuTvniT fraza: „xelisuflebas<br />
aq korcxeli ar gamouva”.<br />
ase rom, maT principulobas<br />
da imas, rom xelisuflebas jixaSkaris<br />
korcxelizacia ar gamouva,<br />
didi gamocda elis.<br />
aRsaniSnavi isicaa, rom jixaSkareli<br />
amomrCevlebis is nawili,<br />
romelic swored am or ubanzea<br />
registrirebuli, yvelaze aqtiuri<br />
amomrCeveli gamodis, romelsac,<br />
mizezTa da mizezTa gamo, erT Tveze<br />
nakleb SualedSi samjer mouwevs<br />
xmis micema.<br />
savaraudod, jixaSkaris ori<br />
ubani (ganmuxuris ubnis gareSe)<br />
ceskos winaswar monacemebs ver<br />
Secvlis, anu orive ubani rom Tundac<br />
sandra rulovsma moigos,<br />
TiTqmis asprocentiani gamarjveba<br />
da mxolod Teoriuli Sansia<br />
imisa, rom sandra rulovsi meore<br />
turis Cautareblad gamocxaddes<br />
gamarjvebulad.<br />
faqtia, „qarTulma ocnebam”<br />
samegreloSi mTeli desanti gadaisrola<br />
rogorc xelaxali kenWisyrisTvis,<br />
aseve meore turisTvis.<br />
zogadad, meore turi da xelaxali<br />
kenWisyra swored imiTaa gamor-<br />
Ceuli, rom partiul liderebs<br />
meti dro aqvT, meore turi yvelgan<br />
araa da amitomac, gamarjvebisTvis<br />
brZolaSi erTvebian.<br />
ase xdeba xelaxali, anu ganmeorebiTi<br />
kenWisyris drosac. imis<br />
mixedviT, Tu vis vixilavT 22 oqtombers<br />
zugdidis raionis sofel<br />
jixaSkarSi sandra rulovsis mxardasaWerad,<br />
xelT gveqneba daskvnac,<br />
ramdenad moaxerxa enm-m Sida krizisis<br />
daZleva da, zogadad, mtrisa<br />
da, moyvris TvalSic, erTianobis<br />
SenarCuneba.<br />
rasakvirvelia, jixaSkarSi dani-<br />
Snuli xelaxali kenWisyra sulac<br />
araa naklebad mniSvnelovani, vidre<br />
is Sualeduri arCevnebi, romelic<br />
korcxelSi Catarda da sadac<br />
enm-s mTeli elita gamoCnda. ase<br />
rom, arc axla iqneba cudi, Tu jixaSkarSi<br />
giga bokeria da nika melia<br />
gamoCndebian. yovel SemTxveva-<br />
Si, amomrCevlis TvalSi lamazad<br />
ar gamova, Tu zugdidSi mxolod<br />
varSalomiZe Cava da sandras gverdiT<br />
dadgeba.<br />
rac ufro meti lideri Cava, es,<br />
jer erTi, saakaSvilTan SesaZlo<br />
dapirispirebis molodins gafantavs,<br />
meorec, kidev erTxel gausvams<br />
xazs, rom partiaSi SesaZloa,<br />
azrTa sxvadasxvaoba iyos, magram,<br />
sabolood, yvelaferi mSvidobianad,<br />
konsensusiT gadawydes.<br />
sxvaTa Soris, arc zugdidSi<br />
manamde Casvla da amomrCevelTan<br />
erTi Sexvedris organizeba iqneboda<br />
zedmeti. ufro sworad, oris:<br />
erTi daxurulad, iqaur aqtivTan<br />
da meorec, sadme quCaSi, Tundac<br />
im SemTxvevaSic ki, Tu amomrCevel-<br />
Ta didi raodenobis Sekreba ver<br />
moxerxdeboda.<br />
amomrCevlebi ki jerac dganan<br />
dilemis winaSe, wavidnen Tu ara<br />
arCevnebis meore turze? samegreloSi<br />
rom gulgatexilebi blomad<br />
arian, yvela nabijze igrZnoba. albaT,<br />
Zalian Zneli iqneba im muxtis<br />
amoqaCva 22 oqtombramde, riTac<br />
gamoirCeoda enm-s winasaarCevno<br />
Sexvedrebi 8 oqtombramde.<br />
magram samegrelos araerTxel<br />
daumtkicebia, rom roca saWiroa,<br />
swor gadawyvetilebas iRebs. mar-<br />
Talia, Znelad, zogjer, TiTqos,<br />
dagvianebiTac, magram, sabolood,<br />
mainc swors. danarCeni ki ager, 22<br />
oqtombersa da 2 noembers gamoCndeba.<br />
es TariRebi kargad axsovs<br />
„ocnebasac” da, rasakvirvelia, am<br />
Zalasac esmis, rom es erT-erTi<br />
umTavresi jaxia, rogorc raodenobrivi,<br />
aseve fsiqologiuri TvalsazrisiTac.<br />
samegrelos gadatexa<br />
sandras damarcxebiT _ es,<br />
kacma rom Tqvas, „qarTul ocnebas”<br />
mTeli weli eyofa politikur sagzlad,<br />
Tu meti ara...<br />
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Telavis universitetis<br />
„is samarcxvino ambebi, rac<br />
maka mosiaSvili<br />
Telavis universitetSi xdeba,<br />
599 97 25 55<br />
jibis Jurnalistebis bralic<br />
aris, romlebic profesionalizms<br />
zemdgomis direqtivebs anacvaleben”, _ ase Seafasa profesorma<br />
qeTevan gigaSvilma Telavis saxelmwifo universitetSi mim-<br />
dinare movlenebi.<br />
iakob gogebaSvilis saxelobis<br />
Telavis saxelmwifo universiteti<br />
erT-erTi uZvelesi saganmana-<br />
Tleblo centria, romelsac samaswavleblo<br />
teqnikumis (1924-<br />
1939 wlebi), samaswavleblo institutis<br />
(1939-1951 wlebi) da pedagogiuri<br />
institutis (1951-1999<br />
wlebi) saganmanaTleblo tradiciebi<br />
aqvs.<br />
1940 wlidan saswavlebeli didi<br />
qarTveli pedagogisa da sazogado<br />
moRvawis, iakob gogebaSvilis<br />
saxels atarebs. daarsebidan<br />
60 wlisTavze, 1999 wels, mas saxelmwifo<br />
universitetis statusi<br />
mieniWa. universiteti avtonomiuri<br />
saxelmwifo umaRlesi saswavlebelia,<br />
sadac swavleba qarTul<br />
enaze mimdinareobs.<br />
universitetSi swavla samsafexuriania:<br />
sabakalavro, samagistro<br />
da sadoqtoro programebze.<br />
aseve, muSaobs umaRlesi profesiuli<br />
ganaTlebis programa.<br />
36<br />
qeTevan gigaSvili<br />
cnobisTvis: 2004-2010 wlebSi<br />
Telavis saxelmwifo universitets<br />
giorgi gociriZe xelmZRvanelobda;<br />
2010-dan 2013 wlamde universitetis<br />
reqtori TinaTin<br />
javaxiSvili iyo; 2013 wlis noemberSi<br />
universitetis reqtorad<br />
„respublikuri partiis” wevri,<br />
avTandil RelaRutaSvili airCies,<br />
Tumca, maleve, ganaTlebis<br />
saministrom misi profesoris xarisxSi<br />
eWi Seitana, rac safuZveli<br />
gaxda, reqtoris uflebamosileba<br />
SeCereboda. maleve universitetma<br />
axali reqtori, irma<br />
SioSvili airCia.<br />
doqtoranturis misaRebi gamocdebis<br />
meore dRes, „teqstologiisa<br />
da gamocemaTmcodneobis”<br />
sadoqtoro programaze Semomsvlel<br />
maRali qulebis mqone<br />
erTaderT abiturients universitetis<br />
administraciidan daurekes<br />
da acnobes, rom Caricxuli<br />
ar iyo. abiturientma dakonkreteba<br />
moiTxova, Tumca mas upasuxes,<br />
rom igi ki Cairicxa, magram<br />
erTi adamianisTvis doqtoranturis<br />
jgufs ar gaxsnidnen,<br />
rac kanonis uxeSi darRvevaa, da<br />
darRvevis garda sxva ufro problemuri<br />
sakiTxebis warmoCenac<br />
SeuZlia. aRniSnulma sadoqtoro<br />
programam 2015 wels didi warmatebiT<br />
gaiara akreditacia da<br />
eqspertTa sabWom igi erT-erT u-<br />
Zlieres programad aRiara saqarTveloSi.<br />
amis garda, universitetSi<br />
arsebobs istoriisa da<br />
filologiis sadoqtro programebic.<br />
axla ra sargeblobas iZleva<br />
es programebi?!<br />
ganaTlebis Sesaxeb kanonis<br />
mixedviT: Tu universitets aqvs<br />
akreditebuli sadoqtoro programebi,<br />
am programis specialobebis<br />
mixedviT bakalavriis Sesabamisi<br />
specialobebi ufasoa,<br />
rac imas niSnavs, rom Tu universitets<br />
eqneba ufaso specialobebi,<br />
romelsac saxelmwifo afinansebs,<br />
umaRles sasawavlebels<br />
ufro meti studenti ewveva. cnobilia,<br />
rom 2010-2011 wlebSi universitetSi<br />
ise Semcirda studentTa<br />
nakadi, rom misi daxurvis<br />
saSiSroeba dadga dRis wesrigSi.<br />
Tumca doqtoranturis akreditebulma<br />
programebma, romlis<br />
xelmZRvanelebi arian maT<br />
Soris qeTevan gigaSvili da giorgi<br />
gociriZe, universiteti daxurvas<br />
gadaarCina.<br />
TelavSi cnobilia, rom gociriZe-gigaSvilisa<br />
da reqtoris<br />
dapirispireba didi xania, mimdinareobs.<br />
universitetSi amboben,<br />
rom reqtors am ori profesoris<br />
gaZeveba unda.<br />
qeTevan gigaSvili mimdinare<br />
movlenebs „qronika+”-Tan ase<br />
`20 seqtembers, doqtoranturis<br />
misaRebi gamocdebis meore<br />
dRes, "teqstologiisa da<br />
gamocemaTmcodneobis"<br />
sadoqtoro programaze<br />
Semomsvlel maRali qulebis<br />
mqone abiturients<br />
universitetis<br />
administraciidan daurekes da<br />
acnobes, rom Caricxuli ar<br />
iyo. ratom moatyues<br />
abiturienti? visi davalebiT<br />
ganxorcielda aRniSnuli zari?<br />
vis mier daiwera mavnebluri<br />
scenari da vis interesebSi<br />
Sedioda aRniSnuli sadoqtoro<br />
programis dablokva? ra<br />
TamaSis wesebs sTavazobs<br />
SioSvili administracias da vin<br />
apoxierebs niadags, romelic<br />
reqtoris pirovnuli vnebebis<br />
dakmayofilebas farTo<br />
asparezs uSlis? ra safrTxes<br />
uqmnis es dauokebeli vnebebi<br />
universitetis interesebs? ras<br />
emsaxureba reqtoris karis<br />
TamaSebi?~<br />
afasebs:<br />
_ 20 seqtembers, doqtoranturis<br />
misaRebi gamocdebis meore<br />
dRes, „teqstologiisa da gamocemaTmcodneobis”<br />
sadoqtoro programaze<br />
Semomsvlel maRali qulebis<br />
mqone abiturients universitetis<br />
administraciidan daurekes<br />
da acnobes, rom Caricxuli<br />
ar iyo.<br />
ratom moatyues abiturienti?<br />
visi davalebiT ganxorcielda<br />
aRniSnuli zari? vis mier daiwera<br />
mavnebluri scenari da vis interesebSi<br />
Sedioda aRniSnuli sadoqtoro<br />
programis dablokva?<br />
ra TamaSis wesebs sTavazobs SioSvili<br />
administracias da vin<br />
apoxierebs niadags, romelic reqtoris<br />
pirovnuli vnebebis dakmayofilebas<br />
farTo asparezs uSlis?<br />
ra safrTxes uqmnis es dauokebeli<br />
vnebebi universitetis<br />
interesebs? ras emsaxureba reqtoris<br />
karis TamaSebi?<br />
_ rogor gadawyda im erTaderTi<br />
abiturientis bedi, romel-<br />
mac doqtoranturaSi Caabara?!<br />
_ am SemTxvevaSi abiturientis<br />
administraciis klanWebidan daxsna<br />
moxerxda. rom ara programis<br />
xelmZRvanelis codna kanonebisa<br />
Tu kanonqvemdebare aqtebisa da<br />
Tavad abiturientis momzadeba,<br />
is aucileblad gaiwireboda.<br />
vsvam kiTxvas: vin aris pasuxismgebeli<br />
imaze, rac universitet-<br />
Si moxda? _ universitetis xarisxis<br />
uzrunvelyofis samsaxurisa<br />
da humanitarul mecniereba-<br />
Ta fakultetis xarisxis uzrunvelyofis<br />
samsaxuris ufrosebi,<br />
romlebmac aRniSnulis Sesaxeb<br />
acnobes students, Tu reqtori,<br />
romelmac es brZaneba gasca?<br />
saqarTvelos kanoniT umaRlesi<br />
ganaTlebis Sesaxeb xom xarisxis<br />
uzrunvelyofis samsaxuri universitetis<br />
marTvis organos warmoadgens.<br />
Tu marTvis organos<br />
saqmianobas aseTi codnis adamianebi<br />
warmarTaven, xom warmogidgeniaT,<br />
ra mdgomareobaSi iqneba universitetSi<br />
dokumentacia? vin<br />
icis, ramdeni studentis ufle-<br />
bebia darRveuli maTi araprofesionalizmis<br />
gamo?<br />
_ anu ra moxda, davalebebi<br />
iyo, Tu araprofesionalizmis<br />
bralia?<br />
_ Tu aRniSnulma Tanamdebobis<br />
pirebma icodnen, rom ukanonobas<br />
sCadiodnen da mainc asrulebdnen<br />
ufrosis davalebas, calsaxad<br />
unda daisvas rogorc maTi, ise<br />
reqtoris pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi,<br />
romelmac es davaleba misca<br />
maT, xolo, Tu isini darwmunebulebi<br />
iyvnen, rom students Caricxva<br />
ar ekuTvnoda, am SemTxvevaSic<br />
unda daisvas maTi pasuxismgeblobis<br />
sakiTxi, radgan es<br />
Seuwynarebeli ucodinarobaa,<br />
romelic marTvis organos xelm-<br />
ZRvanel pirebs araviTar SemTxvevaSi<br />
ar epatiebaT.<br />
am saqcielze aucileblad<br />
unda agon pasuxi Sesabamisma pirebma,<br />
raTa msgavsi faqtebi aRarasdros<br />
ganmeordes da arc msgavsi<br />
scenarebis dawera gabedos vinmem<br />
im dawesebulebaSi, romelic<br />
Tavisi daniSnulebiT codnis ta-<br />
Zari unda iyos da ara reqtoris<br />
pirovnuli vnebebis dakmayofilebis<br />
asparezi.<br />
giorgi gociriZe _ univer-<br />
sitetis eqsreqtori, profesori:<br />
_ ai, ra xdeba Telavis universitetSi,<br />
_ rogorc giorgi iva-<br />
niaSvili-orbeliani ambobs: „viwro<br />
kompetenturobis diapazon-<br />
Si moqceuli adamianebi Tavs ver<br />
arTmeven farTo kompetenciis<br />
farglebSi miniWebul uflebamosilebasa<br />
da pasuxismgeblobas,<br />
rac gamoricxavs maT Tanamdebobebze<br />
yofnas. marTvis sadaveebi<br />
moqceulia provincieli avantiuristebisa<br />
da maT mier aRzevebuli<br />
laqia-karieristebis xelSi”.<br />
gasaocari ambebi xdeba Cvens<br />
codnis taZarSi! dawesebuleba<br />
sakuTari Tavis winaaRmdegaa amxedrebuli!<br />
ukve ori weli xdeba,<br />
rac misi saxelisa da prestiJis<br />
gadarCenas vcdilobT SiSveli xelebiT!<br />
ori instanciis sasamarTloSi<br />
mivaRwieT, rom maT baTil-<br />
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karis TamaSebi?!<br />
ad ecnoT ganaTlebis xarisxis<br />
erovnuli centris dadgenileba.<br />
am saqmis samarTlebriv mxareze<br />
kidev ufro SemaSfoTebelia adamianis<br />
gawirvis aseTi Semzaravi<br />
faqti! da viTomc araferi... TiTqmis<br />
aRaravis axsovs, yofil reqtors<br />
guSin diTirambebs rom um-<br />
Rerodnen da misTvis erTgulebis<br />
damtkicebaSi erTmaneTs ejibrebodnen,<br />
am ori wlis ganmavlobaSi<br />
aseve TavgamodebiT ejibrebian<br />
erTmaneTs misTvis zurg-<br />
Si laxvris CacemaSi, radganac<br />
dRes aseTi sio qris! axla sxvas<br />
umRerian diTirambebs. ukve<br />
mjera, rom, rogorc ki xelsayreli<br />
SemTxveva miecemaT, simReras<br />
isrebiT Secvlian. es aris iseTi<br />
amazrzeni faqtebi, romelzedac<br />
sazogadoebis dafiqreba Rirs.<br />
dRevandelma dRem kidev erTxel<br />
naTlad aCvena, rom Telavis<br />
universitets sWirdeba gonieri,<br />
profesionali da universitetis<br />
gulSematkivari xelmZRvaneloba<br />
administraciis TiTqmis yvela<br />
rgolSi (iSviaTi gamonaklisebis<br />
garda)! am postebze arsebuli<br />
kadri kritikas ver uZlebs!!! es<br />
ki vnebs ara mxolod universitets,<br />
aramed Telavs, qveyanas,<br />
TiToeul Cvengans!<br />
universitetis dRevandeli<br />
mdgomareoba aseTia: Tu doqtoranturis<br />
misaRebi gamocda ar<br />
giorgi gociriZe<br />
Catarda da ar gveyoleba doqtoranturis<br />
studentebi, Telavis<br />
saxelmwifo universiteti daxurvis<br />
reJimSi gadava. iyo dro, universitets<br />
3000 studenti hyavda,<br />
axla ki maTi ricxvi umniSvneloa<br />
da ramdenime aseuls iTvlis.<br />
universitetSi dRes TanamSormeli<br />
3-jer metad aRemateba studentTa<br />
raodenobas. Tu universitetSi<br />
doqtoranturaSi abiturientebi<br />
kvlav daiblokebian, specialobebi<br />
fasiani gaxdeba da maT saxelmwifo<br />
dafinanseba SeuwydebaT.<br />
`gasaocari ambebi xdeba Cvens codnis taZarSi!<br />
dawesebuleba sakuTari Tavis winaaRmdegaa<br />
amxedrebuli! ukve ori weli xdeba, rac misi<br />
saxelisa da prestiJis gadarCenas vcdilobT<br />
SiSveli xelebiT! ori instanciis sasamarTloSi<br />
mivaRwieT, rom maT baTilad ecnoT ganaTlebis<br />
xarisxis erovnuli centris dadgenileba. am<br />
saqmis samarTlebriv mxareze kidev ufro<br />
SemaSfoTebelia adamianis gawirvis aseTi<br />
Semzaravi faqti! da viTomc araferi... TiTqmis<br />
aRaravis axsovs, yofil reqtors guSin<br />
diTirambebs rom umRerodnen da misTvis<br />
erTgulebis damtkicebaSi erTmaneTs<br />
ejibrebodnen, am ori wlis ganmavlobaSi aseve<br />
TavgamodebiT ejibrebian erTmaneTs misTvis<br />
zurgSi laxvris CacemaSi, radganac dRes aseTi<br />
sio qris! axla sxvas umRerian diTirambebs.<br />
ukve mjera, rom, rogorc ki xelsayreli<br />
SemTxveva miecemaT, simReras isrebiT Secvlian.<br />
es aris iseTi amazrzeni faqtebi, romelzedac<br />
sazogadoebis dafiqreba Rirs~<br />
34-e gverdidan<br />
- Tuki vinmes devnilebTan Sexeba aqvs,<br />
absoluturad yvela uwyebis warmomadgeneli<br />
Sedis da nebismier devnils Seu-<br />
Zlia daeswros komisiis muSaobas. komisiis<br />
muSaoba grZeldeba, maqsimum, 15-20 dRe<br />
da kari Riaa nebismieri mediasaSualebisTvis.<br />
zRaparia, rom viRac erTi wyvets.<br />
Tu mas dokumentacia aqvs, pirdapir<br />
prokuraturaSi unda wavides. eg erTi da<br />
meore, aseTi dapireba absurdia. ministrze<br />
aRar maqvs saubari. kvirikaSvili da<br />
margvelaSvili ver gascemen aseT brZanebas.<br />
binas miiRebs nebismieri devnili,<br />
Tu es dapirebad iTvleba, magram im rigiTobisa<br />
da kriteriumebis Sesabamisad,<br />
rac oficialurad gawerilia.<br />
_ nata xafTanis gancxadebiT, erTi<br />
ojaxi iRebs xuT binas...<br />
_ adamiani, rodesac ambobs amden absurds,<br />
rom me vabarebdi devnilis mowmobas<br />
da ar Caibareso, msgavsi ar momxdara,<br />
imitom rom am dros veravin gauwevs<br />
winaaRmdegobas. es misi nebaa da konstituciuri<br />
ufleba.<br />
„qronika+” arasamTavroboebis azri-<br />
Tac dainteresda.<br />
nana sanaia, pacientTa da momxmarebel-<br />
Ta uflebebis dacvis asociaciis Tavmj-<br />
domare:<br />
_ xsenebuli sakiTxi detalur Seswavlas<br />
moiTxovs. Cems xelT arsebuli informaciiT,<br />
ZiriTadi pretenziebi aris<br />
mimarTuli im kriteriumebisadmi, romliTac<br />
devnilTa saministro xelmZRvanelobs<br />
farTebis ganawilebisas. Cven am dReebSi<br />
vapirebT, werilobiT mivmarToT<br />
xsenebul uwyebas da gamoviTxovoT is<br />
kriteriumebi da parametrebi, romliTac<br />
isini xelmZRvaneloben. gasagebia, rom iq<br />
saxeldeba euTo, saxalxo damcveli, saia<br />
da a. S., magram rodesac saqme exeba korufciul<br />
sqemebs, rigiT TaRliTobas,<br />
amis gakontroleba xom SeuZlebelia.<br />
_ ras gulisxmobT rigiT TaRliToba-<br />
Si?<br />
_ me mxolod faqtebiT da dokumentebiT<br />
SemiZlia laparaki. rodesac konkretulad<br />
xelT meqneba es faqtebi, pirveli<br />
Tqven mogawvdiT.<br />
beso werediani _ iZulebiT gadaadgilebul<br />
pirTa-devnilTa Temis ganvi-<br />
Tarebis centris direqtori:<br />
_ aucilebelia am segmentSi monitoringis<br />
Catareba. Tqven SegiZliaT gamoiTxovoT<br />
informacia devnilTa saministrodan,<br />
rogorc kriteriumebis Sesaxeb,<br />
`olimpiur qalaqSi<br />
ltolvilTa saministro<br />
devnilebs ki ara,<br />
aferistebs asaxlebs~<br />
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aseve imaze, Tu vis gadaeca es binebi, gamoiTxovoT<br />
statistika da amis Semdeg gaakeToT<br />
Sedareba. mxolod ase iqneba Sesa-<br />
Zlebeli daskvnebis gakeTeba.<br />
_ Tqvens centrs ar gaukeTebia?<br />
_ ara. mTlianad politikur proceseb-<br />
Si varT CarTuli, magram rogorc ki mor-<br />
Ceba, am Temas Zirfesvianad waovwevT.<br />
aucilebelia, yvela devnili dakmayofldes.<br />
es aris is kategoria, romlebzec<br />
zrunva saxelmwifosTvis prioritetuli<br />
unda iyos.<br />
`qronika+” agrZelebs Temaze muSaobas.<br />
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gardamavals isev imerlebi lideroben<br />
daaxloebiT oci wlis winaT<br />
Rrma krizisSi myofma `dinamom~<br />
gamosavals mamapapur xerxSi miagno<br />
– sakuTar bazaze cxvari miiyvana<br />
da dakla. ramdenime dRis<br />
winaT ki imave teritoriaze cxvari<br />
isev gamoCnda _ `dinamos~ pressamsaxuris<br />
gancxadebiT misi umanko<br />
sisxli ar daRvrila, mxolod fexburTelebis<br />
ganwyobis asamaRleblad<br />
Seaseirnes moedanze da mere<br />
patrons daubrunes. imedia, es mar-<br />
Tlac ase iyo, magram klubisTvis,<br />
romlis mflobelmac saqmes milionebi<br />
daaxarja da xelSesaxeb<br />
Sedegs ver miaRwia, es didad<br />
drouli garToba ver unda iyos...<br />
cxvari iqiT iyos da krizisSi<br />
myofma `dinamom~ lanCxuTSi mar-<br />
Tlac saswaulebrivi matCi moigo.<br />
pirveli taimis miwuruls, roca<br />
angariSi 0:0 iyo, dinamoelebma, rene<br />
fereiram da giorgi papunaSvilma<br />
erTmaneTze gaiwies da arbitrma<br />
orives wiTeli baraTi aufriala.<br />
yovelive amis Semdeg `gurias~<br />
vermogeba saswauli unda yofiliyo,<br />
magram Sesvenebamde maspin-<br />
Zlebs giorgi Wedia gauZeves, meore<br />
taimis dasawyisSi ki stumrebi<br />
vladimer dvaliSvilma daawinaura.<br />
lanCxuTlebma verc amis Semdeg<br />
SeZles ricxobrivi upiratesobis<br />
gamoyeneba da sakuTar karSi meore<br />
golic miiRes.<br />
es Sexvedra rom waego, `dinamo~<br />
yovelgvar saCempiono Sanss dakargavda<br />
da evroTasebze moxvedrac<br />
saTuod gauxdeboda, axla ki Cempionis<br />
titulis SenarCunebis perspeqtivac<br />
ki gauCnda.<br />
es imis gamoisobiT moxda, rom<br />
Zvirfasi qulebi dakarga saCxeris<br />
`Cixuram~. zemoimerlebma Sin ver<br />
ajobes autsaider `Suquras~, metic,<br />
meore taimSi bevri iwvales angariSis<br />
gasaTanabreblad da sabolood,<br />
fres dasjerdnen.<br />
amave jgufSi umniSvnelovanesi<br />
gamarjveba moipova `torpedom~.<br />
quTaislebma `lokomotivis~ ganadgurebiT<br />
gasavardn zonas Tavi daaRwies,<br />
`dinamo Tbiliss~ ki `lokomotivis~<br />
gadaswrebis saSualeba<br />
misces.<br />
`wiTel jgufSi~ kvlavac `samtredia~<br />
liderobs, romelmac `sions~<br />
Sansi ar dautova. foTis<br />
`kolxeTma~ ki kvlavac sasiamovnod<br />
gagvaoca da zRvispirul derbiSi<br />
gamarjvebiT jgufSi mesamidan<br />
meore adgilze gadainacvla. gela<br />
sanaias mier gawvrTnil `kolxeTs~<br />
arc varskvlavuri Semadgenloba<br />
hyavs da arc gansakuTrebuli biujeti,<br />
magram mwvrTnelis damsaxurebiT<br />
umaRlesi miznebisTvis<br />
brZolas axerxebs.<br />
`sionma~ `samtrediasTan~ marcxiT<br />
bolo adgilze gadainacvla,<br />
radgan Zvirfasi sami qulis mopoveba<br />
SeZlo misma konkurentma<br />
`zugdidma~. masTan gancdili marcxiT<br />
`dilas~ saturniro mdgomareoba<br />
mkveTrad gauaresda.<br />
19 oqtombers Tasis meoTxedfinaluri<br />
matCebia:<br />
merani-kolxeTi<br />
Cixura-samtredia<br />
sulori-torpedo<br />
noembris testebSi<br />
msajebi dagviniSnes<br />
oci wlis Semdeg<br />
`dinamos~ bazaze<br />
cxvarma ibalaxa<br />
dinamo Tb.-lokomotivi<br />
naxevarfinalistebi erTi mat-<br />
CiT gamovlindebian.<br />
fexburTi. saqarTvelos<br />
Cempionati. umaRlesi liga.<br />
IX turi<br />
wiTeli jgufi<br />
sioni-samtredia 0:3<br />
golebi: 0:1 raJamaSvili (35), 0:2<br />
zivzivaZe (69), 0:3 arabuli (80)<br />
dinamo Tb.-kolxeTi 0:1<br />
goli: 0:1 korobka (53)<br />
zugdidi-dila 1:0<br />
goli: 1:0 TuTberiZe (39)<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1.<br />
samtredia – 18 qula, 2. kolxeTi<br />
– 15, 3. dinamo Tb. – 13, 4. sabur-<br />
Talo – 9, 5. dila – 9, 6. zugdidi<br />
– 6, 7. sioni – 5.<br />
TeTri jgufi<br />
Cixura-Suqura 1:1<br />
golebi: 0:1 SalamberiZe (38), 1:1<br />
dobrovolski (68)<br />
torpedo-lokomotivi 3:0<br />
golebi: 1:0 mamasaxlisi (15. pen.),<br />
2:0 mamasaxlisi (34. pen.), 3:0 geTiaSvili<br />
(62. sak. karSi)<br />
guria-dinamo Tb. 0:2<br />
golebi: 0:1 dvaliSvili (49), 0:2<br />
z. WeliZe (72)<br />
gaZeveba: rene fereira (45. dinamo),<br />
papunaSvili (45. dinamo), g.<br />
Wedia (45. guria)<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1. Cixura<br />
– 17, 2. dinamo Tb. – 13, 3.<br />
lokomotivi – 11, 4. torpedo –<br />
9, 5. guria – 8, 6. cxinvali – 7, 7.<br />
Suqura – 7.<br />
bombardirebi: j. dvali (cxinvali)<br />
– 7, s. lobJaniZe (Cixura),<br />
zivzivaZe (samtredia) – 6, T. Sonia<br />
(dinamo Tb.) – 5.<br />
sakalaTburTo<br />
superTasi `dinamosia~<br />
Tveze naklebi dro rCeba noembris umniSvnelovanes testmatCebamde, romlebsac<br />
Cveni erovnuli saragbo nakrebi soliduri metoqeebis winaaRmdeg Caatarebs. Segax-<br />
saqarTvelos sakalaTburTo superTasis mflobeli „dinamo Tbilisi~ gaxda. irakli<br />
senebT: 12 noembers borjRalosnebi iaponias umaspinZleben, 19 noembers samoas mi-<br />
xoStarias mier gawvrTnilma dinamoelebma kote tuRuSis „quTaiss~ 83:71 sZlies da<br />
iReben, 26-Si ki Sotlandias estumrebian.<br />
sezonis pirvel tituls daeuflnen.<br />
12 noembers borjRalosnebisa da iaponeli ‘sakurebis~ matCs argentineli referi<br />
oTar qorqias saxelobis superTasi aqamde sezonis bolos TamaSdeboda, amieridan<br />
federiko anselmi imsajebs. aRsaniSnavia, rom igi ufro cnobilia 7-kacas wreebSi,<br />
ki dasawyisSi gaimarTeba. gasuli, 2015-16 wlebis sezonis Cempioni „quTaisia~, Tasis<br />
xolo 2012 wlidan aqtiurad msajobs 15-kacas. anselmis aqamde saqarTvelosTvis ar<br />
mflobeli ki _ „dinamo~.<br />
umsajia. kideebze mas frangi paskal gaiuzeri da uelseli den jounzi daexmarebian.<br />
dinamoelebma „quTaisi~ ramdenime dRis winaTac daamarcxes, roca dudu dadianis<br />
erTi kviris Semdeg saqarTvelo-samoas matCs frangi aleqsandr ruisi gauZRveba.<br />
memorialis finalSi 75:63 sZlies.<br />
man borjRalosnebs sul orjer umsaja _ 2014 wels ruseTis da 2015 wels espaneTis<br />
rac Seexeba superTasis matCs, misi udidesi nawili Tanabar brZolaSi warimarTa,<br />
winaaRmdeg. ruiss kideebze ingliselebi, Tom foli da jei’pi doili daexmarebian.<br />
Tumca didi Sesvenebis win „dinamom~ xuTi qulis sxvaobiT, 46:41 dawinaureba SeZlo.<br />
folis saqarTvelosTvis aqamde ar emsaja, xolo doilma bolos wlevandeli okeane-<br />
moedanze dabrunebuli dedaqalaqelebi kidev ufro damajereblad aTamaSdnen. mesame<br />
Tis turnes damagvirgvinebel matCSi, fijisTan gvixelmZRvanela.<br />
periodi ‘dinamom~ 22:13 moigo da, mTlianobaSi, 14 quliT dawinaurda. bolo periodSi<br />
noembris wlevandeli seriis dasasruls 2011 wlis msoflio Tasis Semdeg pirvequTaislebma<br />
viTareba veRar Secvales da „dinamom~ mimdinare sezonSi ukve meore jillad<br />
veTamaSebiT Sotlandias. matCi 26 noembers qilmarnoqSi Sedgeba, romelsac in-<br />
do moigo.<br />
gliseli meTiu qarli gasjis. qarlim aqamde mxolod erTxel, wlevandel ragbi evrogamarjvebulebs<br />
20 quliT nikola maraviCma ulidera. quTaislebs ar eyoT erovnupis<br />
Cempionatze ruseTis winaaRmdeg soWSi gvimsaja. kideebze mas frangi matio rein-<br />
li nakrebis ZiriTadi gamTamaSeblis, giorgi cincaZis 28 qula da 11 pasi.<br />
ali da uelseli den jounzi (iaponiasTan Tanamsaji) daexmarebian.<br />
gamarjvebuli gundis mTavari mwvrTneli irakli xoStaria sapatio sigeliT kalaTburTis<br />
erovnuli federaciis prezidentma mixeil gabriCiZem daajildova. manve gada-<br />
gverdi moamzada levan janezaSvilma<br />
sca dinamoelTa kapitan ilia londariZes oTar qorqias saxelobis superTasi.<br />
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oqtombris pirvel naxevarSi evropis kontinentze msoflios Cempionatis<br />
sakvalifikacio turniris meore da mesame turis matCebi gaimarTa. grandebis<br />
umetesobam dagegmili gamarjvebebi damajereblad moipova, maTma nawilma<br />
qulebi dakarga, vixileT supernakrebebis saintereso urTierTSexve-<br />
drebic. sensaciebi da aRmoCenebi arc mimdinare SesarCev cikls aklia. Sors<br />
rom ar wavideT, Cveni mezobeli azerbaijani win daumarcxeblad miiwevs... am<br />
mimoxilvaSi aRar SevexebiT D jgufs, sadac saqarTvelos nakrebi TamaSobs<br />
– wina kviraSi aq momxdari peripetiebi detalurad ganvixileT.<br />
inglisi-malta 2:0<br />
slovenia-slovakeTi 1:0<br />
Sotlandia-litva 1:1<br />
slovakeTi-Sotlandia 3:0<br />
litva-malta 2:0<br />
slovenia-inglisi 0:0<br />
inglisis nakrebis Tavkacis postze<br />
sem elerdaiss mxolod erTi<br />
matCis Catareba dascalda, skandaluri<br />
gancxadebebis Semdeg ki<br />
sanukvari posti umal daatovebines<br />
da mis adgilze gareT sauTgeiti<br />
daniSnes. pirveli danakargi<br />
ingliselebma swored misi xelmZRvanelobiT<br />
ganicades, magram iqidan<br />
gamomdinare, rom ‘sam loms~<br />
arafriT gamorCeuli oponentebi<br />
hyavT, favoritebad swored isini<br />
rCebian.<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1. inglisi<br />
– 7, 2. litva – 5, 3. slov-<br />
azerbaijani<br />
da Cernogoria<br />
- axali<br />
evropuli<br />
A jgufi<br />
luqsemburgi-SvedeTi 0:1<br />
holandia-belarusi 4:1<br />
safrangeTi-bulgareTi 4:1<br />
belarusi-luqsemburgi 1:1<br />
SvedeTi-bulgareTi 3:0<br />
holandia-safrangeTi 0:1<br />
erT-erT yvelaze Zlier jguf-<br />
Si TiToeuli qula gansakuTrebiT<br />
fasobs, am realobaSi ki holandias<br />
uSualo konkurentTan Sin gancdili<br />
marcxi SesaZloa, Zvirad daujdes.<br />
frangebma pol pogbas mier<br />
pirvel taimSi gatanili goliT<br />
imarjves, amasobaSi ki Svedebma<br />
orive saoqtombro matCi moiges da<br />
am momentisTvis safrangeTTan er-<br />
Tad jgufis Tanaliderebi arian.<br />
ucnaurad warimarTa belarusis<br />
nakrebis bedi – pirvel turSi am<br />
gundma safrangeTTan iTamaSa<br />
fred, oqtomberSi ki sakuTar moedanze<br />
luqsemburgs ver mougo.<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1. safrangeTi<br />
– 7 qula, 2. SvedeTi –<br />
7, 3. holandia – 4, 4. bulgareTi<br />
– 3, 5. belarusi – 2, 6. luqsemburgi<br />
– 1.<br />
B jgufi<br />
latvia-farerebi 0:2<br />
portugalia-andora 6:0<br />
ungreTi-Sveicaria 2:3<br />
farerebi-portugalia 0:6<br />
andora-Sveicaria 1:2<br />
latvia-ungreTi 0:2<br />
evropis Cempionma portugaliam<br />
pirvel turSi SveicariasTan waago,<br />
magram oqtomberSi kriStianu<br />
ronaldum da kompaniam autsaiderebTan<br />
dagegmili sam-sami qula<br />
TamaS-TamaSiT miiTvales. andoraca<br />
da farerebic fernandu santu-<br />
Sis gundma 6:0 gaanadgura. ronaldum<br />
andoras oTxjer gautana,<br />
farerebs ki erTxel da amiT 66<br />
sanakrebo goli daugrovda. yvela<br />
drois evropel sanakrebo bombardirebSi<br />
man meeqvse adgilze gadainacvla<br />
da erTpirovnul liders,<br />
legendarul ungrel ferenc<br />
puSkaSs 18 goliT CamorCeba.<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1.<br />
Sveicaria – 9, 2. portugalia –<br />
6, 3. ungreTi – 4, 4. farerebi –<br />
4, 5. latvia – 3, 6. andora – 0.<br />
C jgufi<br />
azerbaijani-norvegia 1:0<br />
Crd. irlandia-san marino 4:0<br />
germania-CexeTi 3:0<br />
CexeTi-azerbaijani 0:0<br />
germania-Crd. irlandia 2:0<br />
norvegia-san marino 4:1<br />
azerbaijanis nakrebi namdvilad<br />
aris mimdinare turniris erTerTi<br />
umTavresi aRmoCena. or sastarto<br />
SexvedraSi xorvati robert<br />
prosineCkis mier gawvrTnilma<br />
Cvenma mezoblebma eqvsi qula<br />
moipoves, rasac CexeTSi miRweuli<br />
fre miayoles da dRes jgufSi mxolod<br />
msoflios moqmed Cempion<br />
germanias CamorCebian. germania,<br />
molodinisamebr, mundialisken damajereblad<br />
miiwevs, azerbaijans<br />
ki konkurentebi mravlad hyavs.<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1. germania<br />
– 9, 2. azerbaijani – 7, 3.<br />
Crd. irlandia – 4, 4. norvegia –<br />
3, 5. CexeTi – 2, 6. san marino – 0.<br />
E jgufi<br />
somxeTi-rumineTi 0:5<br />
Cernogoria-yazaxeTi 5:0<br />
poloneTi-dania 3:2<br />
yazaxeTi-rumineTi 0:0<br />
dania-Cernogoria 0:1<br />
poloneTi-somxeTi 2:1<br />
kidev erTi moulodneloba CernogorielTa<br />
daumarcxebeli svlaa.<br />
marTalia, jgufi gansakuTrebuli<br />
siZlieriT ar gamoirCeva,<br />
magram gundisTvis, romelsac did<br />
turnirebze arasdros uTamaSia,<br />
Tanalideroba ukve didi saqmea. eqvseulis<br />
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usiamovneba SeemTxva – erT-erTi<br />
wamyvani forvardi, arkadiuS miliki<br />
mZimed dauSavda da daaxloebiT<br />
naxevari wliT iuqmebs.<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1. Cernogoria<br />
– 7, 2. poloneTi – 7, 3.<br />
rumineTi – 5, 4. dania – 3, 5. yazaxeTi<br />
– 2, 6. somxeTi – 0.<br />
F jgufi<br />
gverdi moamzada levan janezaSvilma<br />
enia – 5, 4. Sotlandia _ 4, 5. slovakeTi<br />
– 3, 6. malta – 0.<br />
G jgufi<br />
italia-espaneTi 1:1<br />
makedonia-israeli 1:2<br />
lixtenStaini-albaneTi 0:2<br />
israeli-lixtenStaini 2:1<br />
albaneTi-espaneTi 0:2<br />
makedonia-italia 2:3<br />
samagierod, aq gaimarTeba samkvdro-sasicocxlo<br />
brZola mundialze<br />
pirdapir gamsvleli pirveli<br />
poziciisTvis. italiasa da espaneTs<br />
realuri konkurenti aSkarad<br />
ar hyavT. maTi brZolis pirveli<br />
raundi turinSi mSvidobianad dasrulda<br />
– ugolo pirveli taimis<br />
Semdeg stumrebi vitolom daawinaura,<br />
mere ki daniele de rosim<br />
TerTmetmetrianiT gaaTanabra.<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1. espaneTi<br />
– 7, 2. italia – 7, 3. albaneTi<br />
– 6, 4. israeli – 6, 5. makedonia<br />
– 0, 6. lixtenStaini – 0.<br />
H jgufi<br />
aRmoCenebi<br />
saberZneTi-kviprosi 2:0<br />
estoneTi-gibraltari 4:0<br />
belgia-bosnia 4:0<br />
estoneTi-saberZneTi 0:2<br />
gibraltari-belgia 0:6<br />
bosnia-kviprosi 2:0<br />
belgiis nakrebi Tavidanve Seracxes<br />
jgufis upirveles favoritad<br />
da espaneli roberto martinesis<br />
mier gawvrTnilma ‘wiTelma<br />
eSmakebma~ am sapatio statusis<br />
gamarTleba damajereblad daiwyes.<br />
aseve udanakargod miiwevs win<br />
saberZneTis nakrebi, romelic evropis<br />
Cempionatis finalur etapze<br />
ver moxvda. meore, sapleiofo adgilze<br />
gasvlis Sansi aqvs bosniasac,<br />
jgufis danarCeni binadrebis Sansebi<br />
ki faqtobrivad, nulis tolia.<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1.<br />
belgia – 9, 2. saberZneTi – 9, 3.<br />
bosnia – 6, 4. estoneTi – 3, 5.<br />
kviprosi – 0, 6. gibraltari – 0.<br />
I jgufi<br />
kosovo-xorvatia 0:6<br />
islandia-fineTi 3:2<br />
TurqeTi-ukraina 2:2<br />
fineTi-xorvatia 0:1<br />
ukraina-kosovo 3:0<br />
islandia-TurqeTi 2:0<br />
xorvatiam saoqtombro Sexvedreb-<br />
Si dagegmili eqvsi qula moipova<br />
da mundialisken damajereblad<br />
miiwevs. evropis Cempionatze brwyinvale<br />
gamosvlis Semdeg ki islandielTa<br />
gamarjvebebs moulodnels<br />
veRaravin uwodebs. jgufi<br />
sakmaod konkurentunariania, am<br />
ori gundis davaSi Careva ukrainasa<br />
da TurqeTsac SeuZliaT.<br />
saturniro mdgomareoba: 1.<br />
xorvatia – 7, 2. islandia – 7, 3.<br />
ukraina – 5, 4. TurqeTi – 2, 5.<br />
fineTi – 1, 6. kosovo – 1.<br />
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darbazi 5 17:45 10-11 l.<br />
darbazi 8 GEO 20:15 12-13 l.<br />
darbazi 6 22:30 12-13 l.<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
darbazi 4 GEO 17:30 10-11 l.<br />
darbazi 4 GEO 21:50 12-13 l.<br />
rusTaveli<br />
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darbazi 3 GEO 20:25 13-14 l.<br />
franci<br />
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kavea isT foinTi<br />
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1 aSS dolari<br />
2.3752<br />
1 evro<br />
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1 girvanqa sterlingi<br />
2.8906<br />
1 Sveicariuli franki<br />
2.4016<br />
100 rusuli rubli<br />
3.7664<br />
wina nomris<br />
skanvordis pasuxebi:<br />
pirveli suraTi - antarqtika; meore<br />
suraTi - avstralia; 1. anomalia; 2.<br />
noe; 3. maia; 4. bali; 5. somali; 6.<br />
londoni; 7. lebarde; 8. nerbi; 9.<br />
erbo; 10. hera; 11. alioni; 12. orbi;<br />
13. brazilia; 14. koala; 15. kio; 16.<br />
benderi; 17. gitara; 18. faliaSvili;<br />
19. ali; 20. azati; 21. afra; 22. agava;<br />
23. zanti; 24. partia; 25. gava; 26.<br />
zika; 27. balerina; 28. rampa; 29. ia;<br />
30. qva; 31. oka; 32. laika; 33. focxiS-<br />
vili; 34. oqro; 35. badrijani; 36.<br />
Svili; 37. Zili; 38. jani; 39. marili;<br />
40. arayi;<br />
14.xorxis<br />
13.<br />
lorw.<br />
janRi<br />
garsis<br />
anTeba<br />
17.<br />
18.<br />
cxenos-<br />
geometri-<br />
ani jari<br />
uli<br />
figura<br />
21.sur-<br />
20.<br />
nelovani<br />
xibli,<br />
sanele-<br />
Sarmi<br />
beli<br />
24.moxe-<br />
tiale<br />
momR-<br />
erali<br />
28.<br />
ukanono<br />
Zalau-<br />
fali<br />
30.qarTve-<br />
li kino<br />
reJis-<br />
ori<br />
34.siy-<br />
varulis<br />
RmerTi<br />
rom. miT.<br />
31.<br />
varcxni-<br />
loba<br />
35.<br />
joisis<br />
romani<br />
36.<br />
badiT<br />
Tevzis<br />
damWeri<br />
1.<br />
kolum-<br />
bieli<br />
mwerali<br />
2.xelov-<br />
3.<br />
nuri<br />
berZeni<br />
wyalsa-<br />
soprano<br />
cavi<br />
5.<br />
weliwa-<br />
dis<br />
dro<br />
8.<br />
6. jaris<br />
7. qalis<br />
sigrZiv<br />
nawili<br />
samosi<br />
gaTxrili<br />
miwa<br />
10.<br />
nadiri<br />
11.wanaz-<br />
ardi<br />
cxovelis<br />
Tavze<br />
16.<br />
frangi<br />
fermw-<br />
eri<br />
19.miT.<br />
gareul<br />
cxovelTa<br />
mfarveli<br />
23.<br />
pirveli<br />
adamiani<br />
25.erTxm.<br />
vokal.<br />
nawar-<br />
moebi<br />
29. ......<br />
huseini<br />
32.<br />
33. JorJ<br />
argo-<br />
simenonis<br />
navtebis<br />
pers-<br />
gemi<br />
onaJi<br />
26.Seiar-<br />
Rebuli<br />
konfl.<br />
9.infor-<br />
maciis<br />
gavr-<br />
celeba<br />
12.dak-<br />
isrebuli<br />
gada-<br />
saxadi<br />
15.amerik.<br />
gamom-<br />
gone-<br />
beli<br />
22.<br />
munici-<br />
paliteti<br />
raWaSi<br />
27.<br />
mnaTobi<br />
4.far-<br />
Tobis<br />
sazomi<br />
erT.<br />
afiSa<br />
inferno<br />
amirani<br />
darbazi 2 GEO 14:15 9-10 l.<br />
darbazi 1 GEO 19:15 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 2 ENG 19:30 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 1 22:00 13-14 l.<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
IMAX 12:00 19 l.<br />
darbazi 3 GEO 13:45 8-9 l.<br />
darbazi 6 14:15 8-9 l.<br />
IMAX 14:40 19 l.<br />
darbazi 3 GEO 16:30 9-10 l.<br />
IMAX 17:20 19 l.<br />
darbazi 3 GEO 19:15 12-13 l.<br />
IMAX 20:00 19 l.<br />
darbazi 3 22:00 12-13 l.<br />
IMAX 22:30 19 l.<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
darbazi 3 GEO 16:15 9-10 l.<br />
darbazi 2 ENG 19:00 12-13 l.<br />
darbazi 1 GEO 19:10 12-13 l.<br />
darbazi 1 21:55 12-13 l.<br />
rusTaveli<br />
darbazi 5 GEO 14:45 9-10 l.<br />
darbazi 1 GEO 19:45 13-14 l.<br />
darbazi 1 22:35 13-14 l.<br />
kreiseri indianapolisi<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
darbazi 5 12:30 7-8 l.<br />
darbazi 4 19:00 12-13 l.<br />
darbazi 4 22:00 12-13 l.<br />
kavea Tbilisi moli<br />
darbazi 3 13:30 8-9 l.<br />
darbazi 4 14:45 8-9 l.<br />
darbazi 3 19:00 12-13 l.<br />
rusTaveli<br />
darbazi 5 17:30 11-12 l.<br />
darbazi 2 19:30 13-14 l.<br />
snoudeni<br />
kavea isT foinTi<br />
darbazi 6 11:30 7-8 l.<br />
amindi<br />
samSabaTi<br />
oTxSabaTi<br />
xuTSabaTi<br />
paraskevi<br />
SabaTi<br />
kvira<br />
orSabaTi<br />
Tbilisi<br />
9-12 0<br />
11-13 0<br />
13-16 0<br />
14-17 0<br />
13-16 0<br />
15-19 0<br />
14-16 0<br />
quTaisi<br />
15-17 0<br />
18-22 0<br />
19-21 0<br />
20-22 0<br />
21-23 0<br />
20-22 0<br />
19-23 0<br />
baTumi<br />
15-19 0<br />
16-18 0<br />
17-19 0<br />
18-20 0<br />
19-22 0<br />
20-23 0<br />
19-22 0<br />
zugdidi<br />
16-18 0<br />
17-20 0<br />
19-22 0<br />
20-23 0<br />
22-24 0<br />
20-22 0<br />
19-21 0<br />
gori<br />
9-12 0<br />
11-13 0<br />
12-14 0<br />
14-18 0<br />
13-16 0<br />
14-17 0<br />
15-16 0<br />
Telavi<br />
7-10 0<br />
10-12 0<br />
11-13 0<br />
12-15 0<br />
13-15 0<br />
14-18 0<br />
15-18 0<br />
foTi<br />
15-18 0<br />
17-20 0<br />
18-20 0<br />
21-23 0<br />
22-25 0<br />
20-23 0<br />
19-21 0<br />
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