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diter bodeni Tbilissa da soxums?<br />
ovs, rom afxazebs mieceT aSS-s<br />
vizebi imisTvis, rom isini wardgnen<br />
gaeros tribunaze da a. S. amitom<br />
diter bodenis mier SemoTavazebuli<br />
politika rusul gzavnilebTan<br />
garkveul Tanxvedra-<br />
Sia. Tan germanul sazogadoebaSi<br />
rusuli gavlena sakmaod seriozulia.<br />
vfiqrob, rom bodeni swored<br />
am jgufis warmomadgenelia.<br />
_ soxumsa da TbilisSi is,<br />
ZiriTadad, romel wreebs eyrd-<br />
noba?<br />
_ me ar vici, is ra wreebs eyrdnoba<br />
Tbilissa da soxumSi,<br />
rasakvirvelia, is iqaur de faqto<br />
xelmZRvanelobasTan urTier-<br />
Tobs.<br />
_ afxazebisTvis aSS-s vizebi<br />
axseneT, ramdenad seriozulia<br />
amaze aqcentis gakeTeba?<br />
_ saubaria ara afxazur<br />
pasportSi aSS-s vizebis Cartymaze,<br />
aramed aqcenti imazea, rom<br />
maT vizebs, isev da isev, rusul<br />
pasportebSi ar aZleven. im<br />
rusul pasportebSi, romlebic<br />
afxazeTis teritoriaze aris<br />
gacemuli. afxazebi swored am<br />
pasportebSi iTxoven, rom aSS-s<br />
vizebi Caurtyan da imogzauron.<br />
es, pirvel rigSi, imisTvis surT,<br />
rom gaeros tribunaze mosaxvedrad<br />
gamoiyenon. am mxriv aSS-s<br />
araRiarebis politika moqmedebs.<br />
viciT, rom aSS Cven strategiuli<br />
partnioria da misi politika<br />
am TvalsazrisiTac yovelTvis<br />
CvenTan TanxvedraSi iyo.<br />
albaT, garkveul pirebs mainc<br />
aZleven aseT vizebs, an, yovel<br />
SemTxvevaSi, iq xvdebian pasportebiT,<br />
romlebic afxazeTis teritoriaze<br />
ar aris gacemuli. magram<br />
afxazeTSi gacemul pasportebTan<br />
dakavSirebiT problemebi<br />
hqondaT. amitom es gancxadebebi<br />
swored am pasportebs exeboda da<br />
astamur taniam daazusta kidec,<br />
rom swored amaze iyo saubari.<br />
aSS-s elCis gancxadeba zogaddiplomatiuri<br />
iyo da pozicias<br />
gamoxatavda, rom SeerTebuli<br />
Statebi mxars uWers Cvens suverenitets<br />
da es pozicia ucvlelia.<br />
_ qarTulma delegaciam evro-<br />
sabWos saparlamento asambleaze<br />
ukrainul rezoluciebs mxari ar<br />
dauWira; garkveuli axsna-gan-<br />
martebebis miuxedavad, es damokidebuleba<br />
rogor SeiZleba, Se-<br />
fasdes?<br />
_ qarTuli delegaciis moqmedeba<br />
im politikis gagrZeleba<br />
iyo, romelsac bolo oTxi wlis<br />
ganmavlobaSi vxedavT. adre yvela<br />
tribunaze, absoluturad yvela<br />
saerTaSoriso Sexvedraze,<br />
CvenTvis prioriteti swored<br />
konfliqturi sakiTxebi iyo; ruseTis<br />
agresia da is politika,<br />
romelic Cvens teritoriul<br />
mTlianobas exeboda; maT Soris,<br />
ukrainis Temac swored am Wril-<br />
Si ganixileboda. magram, am bolo<br />
dros, rogorc Cans, saqarTvelos<br />
sagareo politikaSi sxva prioritetebia.<br />
TviTon es moqmedeba<br />
ise Cans, rom saqarTvelos delegaciam<br />
kveri daukra ruseTis<br />
politikas, rodesac ukrainul<br />
mxares mxari ar dauWira.<br />
Tu kvaWantiraZis axsna-ganmartebebs<br />
davujerebT, isini Semdeg<br />
werilobiT SeuerTdnen da a.<br />
S. magram maT Riad ar daafiqsires<br />
ruseTisadmi winaaRmdegoba da es<br />
cudia saqarTvelosTvis. viciT,<br />
rom saqarTvelos dRevandeli<br />
mTavroba sxva politikas atarebs<br />
ruseTTan mimarTebiT, vidre wina,<br />
magram is saerTo interesi, romelic<br />
Cven da ukrainas gvaqvs,<br />
saerTo Rirebulebebi, romlis-<br />
Tvisac vibrZviT, SeuZlebelia,<br />
N37(<strong>168</strong>) 18.10-24.10.2016 w.<br />
`Cemi da, albaT, sazogadoebis udidesi<br />
nawilis pozicia is aris, rom yvela<br />
urTierToba, romelsac afxazuri mxare<br />
saerTaSoriso sazogadoebasTan<br />
ganaxorcielebs (es evropa iqneba Tu aSS)<br />
saqarTvelos gavliT unda moxdes. swored es<br />
pozicia ukavia saqarTvelos bolo wlebia, am<br />
konfliqtebTan mimarTebiT. yvela is<br />
moqmedeba, romelsac Cven vaxorcielebT da<br />
adrec xorcieldeboda (es iyo lesepases<br />
dokumentebTan dakavSirebiT), swored imitom<br />
keTdeboda, rom afxazebisTvis fanjara<br />
qarTuli saxelmwifo yofiliyo, - fanjara<br />
evropasa da amerikaSi. magram afxazebi<br />
yvelanairad cdiloben, gverdi auaron<br />
qarTvelebTan urTierTobas. miuxedavad imisa,<br />
rom TavianTi pasportebiT arsad uSveben da<br />
yvelgan mxolod rusuli pasportebiT dadian,<br />
mainc maTTvis ufro prioritetulia, swored<br />
saqarTvelos gverdis avliT moxvdnen<br />
evropaSi, raTa dafiqsirdes, rom isini<br />
saqarTvelos nawili ar arian. Cveni politika<br />
piriqiTaa: rogorme yvelgan da yovelTvis<br />
unda davafiqsiroT, rom afxazebi<br />
saqarTvelos nawili arian. es ori<br />
mimarTuleba, Cveni da afxazebis, erTmaneTis<br />
sawinaaRmdegoa da aq saerTo ena ver<br />
gamoinaxa. ubralod, kargia, rom evropuli<br />
politika araRiarebis politikaa~<br />
prioritetuli ar iyos. amitom<br />
prioritetulia mudmivad imis<br />
xazgasma, rom ruseTi agresoria<br />
da Cveni teritoriebi okupirebuli<br />
aqvs. sxvaTa Soris, swored am<br />
politikis gamo momravlda faqtebi,<br />
rodesac Cveni sagareo<br />
saqmeTa saministro post-faqtum<br />
reagirebs yvela im RonisZiebaze,<br />
romelsac soxumisa da cxinvalis<br />
separatistuli mTavrobebi atareben<br />
evropis qveynebSi. es exeba<br />
igive gamofenebSi monawileobas<br />
da a. S. verafriT dalagda is pozicia,<br />
rom es ar dauSvan da winaswar<br />
alagmon, mere rom ar iyos<br />
aRniSnul Temaze xmauri.<br />
amitom maTi post-faqtum moqmedeba<br />
mafiqrebinebs, rom es sakiTxi<br />
prioritetuli ar aris da<br />
mxolod maSin reagireben, roca<br />
sazogadoebaSi amaze garkveuli<br />
SeSfoTeba Cndeba. aris faqtebi,<br />
romlebic sazogadoebamde ar midis.<br />
rogorc Cans, sagareosTvis,<br />
ise zogadad mTavrobisTvis<br />
ufro prioritetuli ekonomikuri<br />
urTierTobebi gaxda, vidre<br />
es teritoriuli mTlianobis<br />
problemaa.<br />
diter bodeni<br />
_ ukrainasTan mimarTebiT<br />
koordinaciis aseTi tipis ac-<br />
denebi ras mogvitans?<br />
_ amis yvelaze naTeli magali-<br />
Ti ruseTis saxelmwifo dumis<br />
arCevnebi iyo. Cven viciT, rom es<br />
arCevnebi Catarda rogorc aneqsirebul<br />
yirimSi, aseve Cvens okupirebul<br />
afxazeTsa da cxinvalis<br />
regionSi. ukrainam imdeni<br />
SeZlo, rom yirimis sakiTxze mTeli<br />
msoflio aalaparaka. SeZlo<br />
is, rom bevrma saxelmwifom ganacxada,<br />
rom ar cnobs yirimSi<br />
Catarebul kenWisyras da iq ar-<br />
Ceul deputatebs. magram am procesSi<br />
arc erTxel, arsad, araferi<br />
Tqmula saqarTvelos Sesaxeb,<br />
Tu ar CavTvliT erT faratina<br />
gancxadebas, romelsac aranairi<br />
mniSvneloba ar aqvs da ufro<br />
imisTvis iyo gakeTebuli, rom<br />
Sida momxmarebeli daewynarebinaT.<br />
magram ase mainc ar moxda. sagareo<br />
saqmeTa saministros am mimarTulebiT<br />
raime sxva saqmianoba<br />
ar uwarmoebia. arc manamde,<br />
sanam es arCevnebi Catardeboda,<br />
arc imis mere, rac es kenWisyra<br />
Sedga.<br />
arada, savsebiT SeiZleboda,<br />
yirimis TemasTan erTad, afxazeT-<br />
Si Catarebuli arCevnebis legitimurobis<br />
sakiTxi damdgariyo,<br />
aseve cxinvalSi Catarebulis. e. i.<br />
afxazeTis teritoriaze saerTod<br />
aseTi ram moxda, _ acxadeben, Cven<br />
damoukideblebi varTo da, am<br />
dros, maTi xelisufleba ruse-<br />
Tis saxelmwifo dumis, anu sxva<br />
saxelmwifos deputatebs xmas<br />
aZlevda, irCevda. uxeSad rom<br />
vTqvaT, rac miaCniaT, rom aqvT,<br />
viTom damoukidebloba, isic ki<br />
amiT eWvqveS daayenes da amaze<br />
Cven arafers vambobT, Tvalebi<br />
davxuWeT, msoflio ar valaparakeT,<br />
iqamde ar mivitaneT, es sakiTxi<br />
saerTod ar davayeneT. rodesac<br />
amas Cven TviTon ar vakeTebT,<br />
arc ukraina, arc evropa, aravin<br />
moixedavs Cvenken. saerTod,<br />
es sakiTxi arc erT frontze aqtualuri<br />
ar iqneba. marto imiT,<br />
rom ruseTs ar vawyeninoT, SevamciroT<br />
ritorika da okupanti<br />
ar davarqvaT, am gziT problemebs<br />
ver gadavwyvetT.<br />
`qarTuli delegaciis moqmedeba im politikis<br />
gagrZeleba iyo, romelsac bolo oTxi wlis<br />
ganmavlobaSi vxedavT. adre yvela tribunaze,<br />
absoluturad yvela saerTaSoriso<br />
Sexvedraze, CvenTvis prioriteti swored<br />
konfliqturi sakiTxebi iyo; ruseTis agresia<br />
da is politika, romelic Cvens teritoriul<br />
mTlianobas exeboda; maT Soris, ukrainis<br />
Temac swored am WrilSi ganixileboda.<br />
magram, am bolo dros, rogorc Cans,<br />
saqarTvelos sagareo politikaSi sxva<br />
prioritetebia. TviTon es moqmedeba ise Cans,<br />
rom saqarTvelos delegaciam kveri daukra<br />
ruseTis politikas, rodesac ukrainul mxares<br />
mxari ar dauWira~<br />
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