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NEWS<br />

NEW LEADERSHIP AT THE <strong>IEA</strong><br />

NOBUO<br />

TANAKA<br />

strong concerns and <strong>the</strong> negative views on<br />

nuclear prevail. But gradually it changes<br />

back again. When I came here, <strong>the</strong>re was a<br />

big discussion <strong>of</strong> a nuclear renaissance. Many<br />

countries started moving to nuclear power<br />

because it is sustainable, clean energy, without<br />

CO 2<br />

emissions.<br />

AFTER FOUR YEARS, NOBUO TANAKA STEPPED<br />

DOWN AS <strong>IEA</strong> EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THIS SUM-<br />

MER TO TAKE ON HIS NEXT ENERGY ROLE IN A<br />

38-YEAR CAREER BEGUN IN JAPAN’S MINISTRY<br />

OF ECONOMY, TRADE AND INDUSTRY.<br />

On <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r hand, it is clear after <strong>the</strong><br />

Fukushima incident that safety is issue number<br />

one to make this power acceptable to <strong>the</strong><br />

public. So we would like Japan to come back<br />

with lessons from this tragedy and make nuclear<br />

power much safer in <strong>the</strong> future. And I<br />

believe it will happen – eventually.<br />

In your four years as Executive Director,<br />

what do you see as <strong>the</strong> <strong>IEA</strong>’s greatest contribution<br />

to global good and security?<br />

I think we have drawn non-member countries<br />

much closer to <strong>the</strong> <strong>IEA</strong>, countries like<br />

China, India, Russia, Brazil, South Africa,<br />

Indonesia. It is getting to be more and more<br />

<strong>the</strong> case that, without <strong>the</strong>se countries, we<br />

cannot really achieve important energypolicy<br />

targets such as energy security and all<br />

<strong>the</strong> sustainability issues. That was my first<br />

thought when I came here: how can we draw<br />

<strong>the</strong>m closer, even to become members <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong><br />

<strong>IEA</strong>, earlier than <strong>the</strong> OECD? I think we have<br />

in fact succeeded: <strong>the</strong>se countries are working<br />

very closely with us in many areas, like<br />

security, technologies or efficiency works. On<br />

<strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r hand, still <strong>the</strong>y are not yet members<br />

<strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> <strong>IEA</strong>.<br />

So do you see <strong>the</strong> <strong>IEA</strong> as an entry point to<br />

membership in <strong>the</strong> OECD?<br />

<strong>The</strong>y are hesitant to be a part <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> OECD<br />

because <strong>the</strong> OECD is considered a rich man’s<br />

club. <strong>The</strong> <strong>IEA</strong> is a more technical organisation,<br />

focusing more on energy security. To<br />

have a strategic stockpile and use it jointly,<br />

collectively, to smooth <strong>the</strong> energy market, is<br />

<strong>of</strong> very strong interest to <strong>the</strong>se countries.<br />

What steps did <strong>the</strong> <strong>IEA</strong> take under you to<br />

help non-member countries best co-operate<br />

with <strong>the</strong> <strong>Agency</strong> on energy security?<br />

We have continuously been inviting <strong>the</strong>m to<br />

confidence-building exercises, like seminars<br />

or emergency-response exercises. We have<br />

invited some <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> secondees, <strong>the</strong> young pr<strong>of</strong>essional<br />

staff <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong>se countries – sometimes<br />

statisticians, sometimes policy experts – to<br />

work with us. <strong>The</strong>se bottom-up efforts certainly<br />

help <strong>the</strong>m to understand what is possible<br />

and what kind <strong>of</strong> benefit <strong>the</strong>y can get<br />

from working closer with us.<br />

You are known to maintain that “<strong>the</strong> age <strong>of</strong><br />

cheap energy is over”. What is <strong>the</strong> most critical<br />

fallout from this change <strong>of</strong> eras?<br />

From <strong>the</strong> demand and supply situation or<br />

market situation, certainly <strong>the</strong> cheap age<br />

is over. Of course, <strong>the</strong> cost <strong>of</strong> production is<br />

getting higher and higher. Easy oil or gas<br />

will be more and more limited, so it is inevitable<br />

that <strong>the</strong> cost and <strong>the</strong> price will be<br />

higher. <strong>The</strong>re are plenty <strong>of</strong> big, new consumers<br />

coming in China, India and <strong>the</strong>n Africa<br />

and Asia. Underground <strong>the</strong>re are plenty <strong>of</strong><br />

resources, and <strong>the</strong>y can be developed and<br />

supplied accordingly, but <strong>the</strong> price is getting<br />

higher.<br />

<strong>The</strong> point is that if <strong>the</strong> price is doubling but<br />

if our energy efficiency is also doubling, <strong>the</strong><br />

total expense would be <strong>the</strong> same. That is<br />

probably <strong>the</strong> only way <strong>the</strong> consumer countries<br />

can have sustainable and economically<br />

healthy development. So demand-side measures<br />

are much, much more important in<br />

<strong>the</strong> future. We have started this sort <strong>of</strong> work<br />

in efficiency in <strong>the</strong> automobile or transportation<br />

or housing sector, etc. <strong>The</strong> <strong>IEA</strong> started<br />

as a kind <strong>of</strong> supply-side<br />

organisation. But we have<br />

to deal with and make<br />

policies on <strong>the</strong> demand<br />

side. Knowledge in <strong>the</strong> demand<br />

side is very different<br />

from <strong>the</strong> supply side.<br />

How has <strong>the</strong> situation for<br />

nuclear power changed<br />

during your tenure?<br />

From time to time people’s<br />

attitudes toward nuclear<br />

have changed. Whenever<br />

a big accident happens<br />

– Three Mile Island or<br />

Chernobyl – <strong>the</strong>re are very<br />

But when we think about this issue for Japan,<br />

its electricity grid gives a very important hint.<br />

Because <strong>of</strong> this catastrophe, Japan has faced<br />

serious blackouts. We think <strong>the</strong> lesson Japan<br />

learned is that <strong>the</strong>y need to use diversified<br />

sources, diversified routes. Eventually what<br />

I want to see is more regional – or beyondborder<br />

– grid connectivity. A more common<br />

energy market is what we should aim for,<br />

even though politically it is very difficult.<br />

<strong>The</strong>re’s ano<strong>the</strong>r important lesson. Because<br />

nuclear is so political and easy to be politicised,<br />

governments change policy very <strong>of</strong>ten<br />

on nuclear – on and <strong>of</strong>f when <strong>the</strong> government<br />

changes, and sometimes even within<br />

<strong>the</strong> same government, like in Germany.<br />

<strong>The</strong>n it is very difficult to convince a private<br />

company to invest <strong>the</strong> huge amount <strong>of</strong><br />

money needed at <strong>the</strong> beginning and <strong>the</strong>n to<br />

maintain <strong>the</strong> plant for 30, 35 years or more.<br />

Any words <strong>of</strong> advice to your successor?<br />

“Don’t travel too much.” It’s so tiring. That is<br />

exactly <strong>the</strong> advice I was given by my predecessor.<br />

“Don’t travel too much.”<br />

Nobuo Tanaka: © OECD/<strong>IEA</strong>, 2007; Nobuo Tanaka with solar panels: © OECD/<strong>IEA</strong>, 2010<br />

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<strong>The</strong> <strong>Journal</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> <strong>International</strong> <strong>Energy</strong> <strong>Agency</strong>

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