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2010] Oral History and the Study of the Judiciary 861<br />
thought of my wife and family and how much better I would<br />
do for them over time as a federal judge. I made the decision<br />
I made and took the job. <strong>The</strong>re were times of regret,<br />
even with better pay and security, but by then it was over the<br />
dam. Both Gaylord and Prox supported me. Once, jocularly,<br />
Gaylord put it[,] “[t]his was one of the few things Prox<br />
and I ever agreed on.” So maybe I solved a problem for<br />
them, too. 66<br />
In the 1998 history he gives an answer that is consistent, but<br />
which features different details:<br />
Q. You were on the [Wisconsin Supreme Court] for ten<br />
years. Did you enjoy this kind of work? Did you feel<br />
isolated?<br />
A. It was delightful. I enjoyed it. It was a much more fun<br />
experience than the Court of Appeals has been. I went<br />
through quite a turmoil of whether I should try for the Court<br />
of Appeals. <strong>The</strong>re was the mundane consideration, which<br />
may [have been] the largest. In those days, the constitution<br />
froze the salary at what you got when you went on the bench.<br />
Q. <strong>The</strong> Supreme Court bench?<br />
A. Or any bench. So I had been stuck for nine years at<br />
$14,000 per year. <strong>The</strong> highest paid brother of mine on the<br />
bench was getting $24,000. That’s not a king’s ransom either,<br />
but in those days, it was quite a difference. . . . I think I was<br />
the second justice to get the $14,000. But I was stuck at it. A<br />
Court of Appeals judge got paid $33,000, more than double<br />
what I was getting. I had just been re-elected, without opposition,<br />
so I was good for another ten years, and I was going to<br />
begin a new term in January 1967, and I would have been<br />
chief justice in about three years after that as I was number<br />
two on the court next to Chief Justice Currie. Currie was<br />
going to hit the age limit of 70. We didn’t know then that he<br />
was going to get defeated and cease being Chief in 1968. Either<br />
way, I would have become Chief.<br />
Q. That’s a big decision.<br />
A. It was and what to do? I talked to an awful lot of people.<br />
I happened to be on a group with Chief Justice Traynor<br />
of California. I talked to him. Later, I talked to Justice<br />
S[c]haefer of Illinois. I talked to former Justice Emmert<br />
(Bill) Wingert, with whom I had served. He thought it was in<br />
many ways more interesting on the Supreme Court of Wis-<br />
66 Id. at 74.