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It’s not the vaporware per se that makes this an underworld, but the very odd culture of<br />

technology and national security. I don’t draw a line between the perverse and the normal<br />

cultures of defense technology—the two are intertwined because we are all so insulated from the<br />

outside world. I was inspired to try to describe this underworld—and my experience being in it—<br />

to others.<br />

AAG: My understanding is that while you examine several technologies in "Imaginary<br />

Weapons", the core story really involves something called hafnium-bomb, which you first heard<br />

about in a defense-briefing on Capitol Hill in 1998. Can you give us a bit of detail about the<br />

scope of technologies that you focus on in the book, and what it was about the hafnium bomb in<br />

particular that made it so central to this story?<br />

<strong>Weinberger</strong>: The book talks about some of<br />

the more controversial areas of science that have<br />

attracted military interest, including remote<br />

viewing (psychics), cold fusion and antimatter<br />

weapons. I do not list these areas with the idea of<br />

lumping them together as bad science, but rather,<br />

to point out how each of these subjects tends to<br />

attract support from the underworld.<br />

At one point, I considered writing this book as a<br />

collection of stories about the scientific<br />

underworld, but the feedback I got was: “You need<br />

a narrative to carry the reader long.” <strong>In</strong> that sense,<br />

the hafnium bomb is a trope for a larger story I was<br />

trying to tell about technology and national<br />

security.<br />

AAG: Speaking of the hafnium-bomb, I thought<br />

the idea sounded reasonable until I saw your<br />

website, which featured a "hafnium grenade"<br />

claimed to deliver a 2-kiloton yield. Now from a<br />

layman's perspective, my first thought is that a<br />

nuclear hand-grenade has some immediately<br />

obvious drawbacks to deployment, so how’d this<br />

one make it that far up the chain of command?<br />

Hafnium Grenade: A hand-grenade<br />

claiming to deliver a 2-kiloton nuclear blast?<br />

<strong>Weinberger</strong>: Lots of ideas sound reasonable until you look at the practical implications.<br />

To be fair, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), in its official briefings to<br />

Congress about hafnium, described the power of a 2,000 pound bomb in the package of a 50<br />

pound bomb. But even that is impractical, and, according to the experts, simply not feasible.<br />

AAG: Now to turn the question around a bit, I've heard rumors that Los Alamos has been<br />

playing with laser-triggered nuclear isomers for years: at least in the context of a quasi-stable<br />

fuel-pellet for use in nuclear space propulsion. Is it possible that this particular idea made it past<br />

the screeners because of simple name-recognition and maybe just a lack of close-scrutiny on the<br />

proposed implementation, or is the entire nuclear-isomer thing just a fish-story?<br />

<strong>Weinberger</strong>: Yes, Los Alamos has been a “hot bed” for nuclear isomer enthusiasts,<br />

although some of them may have retired by now. But it’s important to differentiate between<br />

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