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Mann is not a principal; Mann has no interest at all in schooling. Mann is<br />

recruited by <strong>the</strong> Unitarian “Pope” [William Ellery Channing]. Mann is in his<br />

parish. He is a young go-getter, <strong>with</strong> a lot <strong>of</strong> ambition, from a somewhat<br />

poor, rural, family. The Unitarians take over Harvard and <strong>the</strong> legislature.<br />

They are masters at <strong>the</strong> use <strong>of</strong> leverage. They are 75%-80% <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> Boston<br />

School Committee that advocates <strong>the</strong> compulsion law. Mann struck a deal<br />

<strong>with</strong> this guy: that he would forward this cause, but when this battle was<br />

won he wanted a pay<strong>of</strong>f in Washington. Indeed he was paid <strong>of</strong>f that way.<br />

They recruited and won <strong>the</strong> loyalty <strong>of</strong> all <strong>the</strong> major business interests<br />

because <strong>the</strong> industrial situation was a labor shortage. In fact from <strong>the</strong><br />

beginning <strong>of</strong> this country what we‟ve always <strong>of</strong>fered <strong>the</strong> world, except for<br />

this century, was <strong>the</strong> picture <strong>of</strong> citizens <strong>with</strong> independent livelihoods. In<br />

1776 about 85% <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> citizens had independent livelihoods (except for <strong>the</strong><br />

slave population). In 1840 after <strong>the</strong> Jackson presidency it was still at 70%.<br />

So it was damned tough, even if you had <strong>the</strong> industrial machinery, to get<br />

anyone reliable to work for you for very long. The educational traditions in<br />

our country had been such that if somebody else has a good thing, you work<br />

for <strong>the</strong>m. You watch what <strong>the</strong>y do and <strong>the</strong> minute you know how <strong>the</strong>y do it,<br />

you strike out on your own. That attitude had to be broken. A huge mass <strong>of</strong><br />

cheap labor had to be brought in. This was unfortunate from <strong>the</strong> point <strong>of</strong><br />

view <strong>of</strong> <strong>the</strong> people who were Catholic, because that was <strong>the</strong> only body <strong>of</strong><br />

free-floating labor that was available in Europe. Worst-<strong>of</strong>f were <strong>the</strong> Irish,<br />

who had been systematically brutalized and exterminated. They were<br />

brought over because <strong>of</strong> an alleged potato famine, but during that time <strong>the</strong><br />

Irish were exporting food to England. The Irish didn‟t come over, <strong>the</strong>y were

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