i- - S 0 - Mungret College Past Pupils' Union

Ml'N('.R1'l' .\NNI .\1.I )I lt.\ '1' j:Asia and Africa. The peoples of Asia possesiia eivilisation of their own, and did notrequire to be taught by Europeans ; and thesavage's of Africa, despite the fact that thecontinent is divided up amongst the powers ofEurope, are still in their original state ofpriniit lvi barbarism.For the Motion ...... 61 marks.Against the Motion .....70 marks.The Government was thus defeated andresigned office.f)'('UN N ELI. . N I)'Ot­.\(. I It EI.A NI).At the (',th Session, held on F'etiruzirv;:riI thi , 'Shot iii %%a. 4 debated"That the Secession of the Young Ireland Party from I )'( 'on neil was anImpolitic I t'asljr,'."Mr. W. Ryan, l.e',ciic.r if the Reel Bi'aric'h Knights, was ri t hi ('hair.ce•re'The SpeakersV. DEMOCRACY.The i'b e.lo!I of the oeict wit toll ii i)tt'tmIer 15th. Mr. \V Ryan wasin th. ('hair. lii' Mtiii ltfr th lloUtThat I)enriitraey ha, irr'ie'd a Failure. and should he Superseded h•oi•n'• 'itrin of Monarchic (ii t'rnmt'nt.ihe St:cl-.i - w.......For the Motion - - - - - M. I)' -iiia, .1. lliiksun. I'. Nutltv. E. harmon..\ainst the Motion - - - - -(. Fol'y. E. Dillon, M. Haves. T. h'reraievillc.In support of the Motion it was argued thatl),rnorac V had been given a fair trial both inancient and modern • imes and had proved afailure. The French Revolution was cited toprove the total inadequacy of popular institutions,:tnl the need of a strong ruler to controland direct 'he' force's of a nation. Great stresswas laid on the great political success achievedin recent years by countries governed by acingle man. Thu fact that there was widespreadcorrup ion by which so-called " democracieswere controlled by a few men was also made astrong argument to prove that democracy wasa failure.The Opposition pointed out the many abusesof absolute power, arbitrary enactments. thperversion of justice, the loss of personal fretelomof speech and action, the impos sit i lit y Ifclitaini rig redress of grievances, etc. Tuel"re'rmeh Monarchy prior to the Revolution wasit standing exam p1e' of all the evils of absolutepower. The argument that nations with amonarchicg cvi' rn men alone attained politicalsuccess was refuted by rainy examples, takenboth from ancient and mcitic.rn history, of(iemoeracies 'hat had won world-wide powerand influence. F're'e people had maintainedtheir freedom and had yet attained to greatness.There was thus no call to abolish freepolitical institutions in order to replace themby a monarchic form of government.The result of the Debate was :For the Motion53 marks.Against the Motion .....17 marks.The Motion was carried by a majority ofin ark s, and the Government remained I in 0 tflGovernment (Against Motion)- I). Ryan, I'. O'Diinnell, F. X. Macnamara. C. Foley.Opposition- - - - - - T. White. E. Gallagher, G. I'rendevillc'. M. O'Shea.The Government, while giving due credit tothe aims and ideals of the Young IrelandParty, considered that the secession of thisparty from O'Connell was an unwise measure.The Policy of peaceful force inaugurated bythe l.ihera or and i'rrcwriecl with such completet'ul policy. O'(':cnnell in the 'forties was notthe O'Connell of Emancipation days. Hispolity of moral force, formulated in hisMonster Meetings " had received its deathblowat Clontarf no less cttmpleti.lv than hadthe Danes at the hands of Brian Bicru. NothingIn support of the Motion it was said thatthe Normans came to Ireland as freebooters,arid as freebooters they lived in the country.The fought amongst themselves, joined in thequarrels f the Irish chiefs and thus perpctuateeithe turmoil of civil war. They introducedinto the country a political and social systemwholly alien tic the genius and traditions of theIrish pe'ople'. and in this manner accentuatedthe already-existing political divisions of thecountry. Their influence' was thus mostinjuri us to the political and social life' ofIreland.The Opposition argued that the Normanscould not be held responsible for the civilTllF NI{M'tNS IN IllIL.NI).The 5th Session if the StcictV was held 'n Fe1rumtry 2 bid. Mr G. Hurley, Leader ofFt . 1,' rmited Irishmen, was in the ('hair. ih' Mt 'ii ilii,iite'il was -'I'hat the Normans Eereied a Pernicious Influence on the Social andPolitical l,iI'e of Ireland,"The piakc'rs were -;ivc'rnnierit (Against the Motion) - - - . Mirldri. W. Macnamara. E. Booth.OppositionII, Quinn. V. Ryan. A. Leitfesty.discord of medieval Ireland. The sources ofthat discord were to lie traced to the Gaelicpolity thal prevailed in Ireland at the time ofthe Norman invasion. The Normans introducedinto Ireland a highly-developed political, civiland military system ',Ir ich had produced mostfruitful results in England. The Normansfailed in Ireland because conditions in thiscountry were unfavourable to the developmentof Norman pitlitical and civil institutions.I"ir the Motion ....40 marks,Against the Motion .. .35 marks.The Government was thus defeated andresigned office,Ii c i.I 1: III: \! IN,,uccess in 1829, was still capable of securingthe Repeal of the Union. The appeal tophysical free at it time whirr the count r%, wasprostrated by the' terrible. Famine was littleshor' of madness. The he'rtmie but futile rising(if AS was proof sufficient of the unpracticalnature of the Young Ireland policy.The Opposition argued that in abjuring theleadership and u' 1 icy of O'Connell the YoungIreland party were abandoning a hopelesscause and inaugurating a new and more hope-cc riiitt'il but the rror' %'igurouA policy ci'physical for( e, Every true Irishman mustadmrr, the gallant hid for frecdim made\'outi'r Ireland " ill the rising ofThe result of the Debate wasFor the MotionAgainst the Motion .....55 marks.(11 marks.The Government thus defeated the Motionand remained in office.