GEDDY LEEwriting songs in the studio, <strong>and</strong> I'd put downthe bass tracks <strong>and</strong> then I'd overdub thevocals afterwards. Then, when it'd cometime to rehease, I'd realize, "Whoa! I've gotto do both of these things at the same time."So in rehearsals. I would always stick to thevery elementary playing whenever I wassinging. But eventually it got to the pointwhere I became very good at adapting. It allbalanced out pretty well. I can sort of splitmy head <strong>and</strong> think different songs-<strong>and</strong> itworks! It just takes a lot of rehearsing.Did you record the secondalbum, Fly ByNight, immediately after you completed thefirst tour?Yeah. We actually started writing materialfor that album while on tour. It was a realbig step up from the first album: We had 16tracks to record on, we'd already rehearsedthe material, <strong>and</strong> we had a drummer whocould really play. We were getting into somedifferent areas of music, too, like differenttime signatures. It was a real breakthroughfor us. And it was the first time we couldreally zone in on sounds <strong>and</strong> try to get goodtones.What basses did you use on Fly ByNight?I used the Rickenbacker on every track.On one song called "By-Tor And The SnowDog," a fantasy tune that featured a characterrepresenting evil <strong>and</strong> a character representinggood, I was given the role of By-Tor-the evil one. And I developed an interestingsound-there's a monster sound that sortof growls around during one really chaoticmusical segment. I put my Fender bassthrough a fuzztone-I can't remember whatkind-<strong>and</strong> then into the board. It was distortedall to shit, so we added phasing, <strong>and</strong>ultimately put in everything but the kitchensink. I had all that sound going through avolume pedal, so every time the monster wassupposed to growl, I would lean on thevolume pedal. When we fit it into the song, itsounded like a real monster!So did you spend more time on thesecond album than on the first?Yeah. We had ten days to do it, but wewere working about 19 hours a day. So it wasmore time, in a better situation. We wereworking <strong>with</strong> Terry Brown, who is still ourproducer today, <strong>and</strong> it was a lot more controlled.It still wasn't the ideal recordingsituation, but it was miles better than the lastone.After you switched to round-woundstrings, did you sometimes have problems<strong>with</strong> poor intonation?Yeah. It happens even now. But at thatpoint, the money wasn't really happeningyet, so I would be doing stuff like boiling mystrings to get them back into shape. Stringscost about 20 bucks or so, which was reallyexpensive back then.Were you still opening upfor other b<strong>and</strong>son your second tour?We backed up other people until abouttwo years ago. So, we were constantly touring.We opened for Kiss. Aerosmith, BillyPreston-we opened for everybody! Wedidn't care; all we cared about was playing<strong>and</strong> touring. We were working real hard, <strong>and</strong>were away from home for months at a time,but success was coming very slowly. We justseemed to have a sound that would do greatin concert but just didn't seem to have theright kind of push on a record. (tjust seemedso difficult to get ahead.Did you ever consider disb<strong>and</strong>ing?We went through a period after we recordedour third album, Caress Of Steel,where our music wasn't well-received at all. Itwas a pretty naive album in retrospect, butstill it was a very important one, because itwas the first time we actually had almost fourweeks to record. And we did a lot ofexperimenting<strong>with</strong> sounds; I used a different basssound for every song.What basses did you use on that album?( was just going back <strong>and</strong> forth <strong>with</strong> myFender <strong>and</strong> my Rick, trying them <strong>with</strong> differentcombinations of direct feeding <strong>and</strong>miking the amp. That's when ( discoveredthat the best way for me to record my basswas to approach it as if I were playing onstage:Use the direct bass from the low-endpickup, <strong>and</strong> mike the amp for the high-endpickup. I've just been refining that ever since.And despite your efforts, the album waspoorly received?ContinuedGet A GNOMEthe original micro-synthesizerEvery day more people discover that PAIA's GNOME is the most versatile.costeffective special effects device on the market today.Jolm SimOllton's time-proven design provides two envelope generators,VCA. VCO<strong>and</strong> VCF in a low cost, easy to use package. 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