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LESLIE McCURDY CELEBRATES TWO DECADES OF PLAYS WITH NEW FILM<br />

By Dan and April Savoie<br />

Windsor actor, playwright and dancer Leslie<br />

McCurdy is the subject of the film On the Money,<br />

which held its premiere at Windsor International<br />

Film Festival on Oct. 30. The film explores her<br />

continuing quest to tell the story of two prominent<br />

black women who are set to be commemorated on<br />

currency: Viola Desmond and Harriet Tubman.<br />

She’s celebrating the film’s release with a special<br />

party at Sho Studios in Windsor on Nov. 3.<br />

McCurdy has spent the last two decades<br />

performing her plays The Spirit of Harriet<br />

Tubman and Things My Foresisters Saw — which<br />

includes a portrayal of Desmond — to audiences<br />

across Canada and the United States. She became<br />

the subject of a film when filmmakers Pat Jeflyn<br />

and Kim Kristy of Canadian Arts Productions<br />

approached her about the subject.<br />

We had a chat with Leslie before the film’s<br />

debut.<br />

How did the documentary come about?<br />

In early 2017 I contacted Pat and asked if she<br />

and Kim could help me to document my 20th year<br />

of performing “The Spirit of Harriet Tubman”. At<br />

about that same time it was announced that Viola<br />

Desmond would be the face of the new Canadian<br />

$10 bill. I made a joke about how “on the money”<br />

I had been about the women that I chose to<br />

perform 20 years ago and that is when Pat and<br />

Kim conceived the idea to do a documentary film<br />

on me and the work I do performing the stories of<br />

these women.<br />

Was it hard or uncomfortable having a film<br />

crew follow you?<br />

The whole concept of having a film done about<br />

me has been really weird. Pat and Kim are very<br />

good at what they do, however, and they did it<br />

discreetly. I have done quite a bit of film work<br />

so it wasn’t completely unfamiliar and almost<br />

everything had to be done in one take because<br />

it was “in the moment”, but ya, just the thought<br />

of being the subject of a movie was the strangest<br />

aspect of it to me.<br />

Pat and Kim are pretty experienced<br />

journalists, so I’m sure you weren’t worried<br />

about the quality or being portrayed correctly.<br />

Tell me about working with them specifically.<br />

I had worked with Pat and Kim some years<br />

ago on a project of theirs and I found them great<br />

to work with, very laid back yet precise. We had<br />

a good time! I allowed that it was their story<br />

to tell once they took it on and I trusted in that.<br />

I know their previous work has been good, in<br />

part because of their attention to detail, and one<br />

thing I “preach” when I am mentoring in theatre<br />

is the “the devil is in the details”. I haven’t seen<br />

the movie yet so I am interested to see how they<br />

observe me.<br />

You’ve known Harriet and Viola for long<br />

time. How did you first “meet” them and when<br />

did they become a part of your life?<br />

Ah, I have known Harriet almost all of my life! I<br />

first read about her in grade five and she has been<br />

my personal hero ever since. At every level of my<br />

education, right through my degree, I would find a<br />

way to do a paper, report, monologue, whatever,<br />

about Harriet Tubman. That’s my girl! Viola I only<br />

met 20 years ago when I got ready to write about<br />

her. My original concept for “Things My Fore-<br />

Sisters Saw” was going to be about prominent<br />

Black women in the US, Madam C. J. Walker, Mary<br />

Church Terrell, Ida B Wells and Rosa Parks, but a<br />

friend of mine, Preston Chase, suggested that I do<br />

it on “Canada’s Rosa Parks” and other women in<br />

Canadian Black History. My first response was,<br />

“Huh? We have that?” having never learned<br />

anything about Black history in Canada in<br />

school, and never thinking that my own family’s<br />

accomplishments would fall under that. So then I<br />

set out to meet all of the women that he suggested,<br />

Marie-Joseph Angelique, Rose Fortune, Mary<br />

Ann Shadd - whose accomplishment is local -<br />

and “Canada’s Rosa Parks”, Viola Desmond,<br />

although I am of the school that suggests that<br />

Rosa Parks was the United State’s Viola Desmond<br />

since she came first.<br />

What do Harriet and Viola mean to you<br />

personally?<br />

A living! I mean a girl’s gotta eat! (Laughter)<br />

A friend teases about how my “little play”<br />

about Harriet Tubman has done so well that she<br />

continues to “save” me. No, but seriously, all of<br />

the women that I portray, were very independent<br />

in their thought and behavior and operated from<br />

that in how they lived their lives. In retrospect<br />

we consider what they accomplished significant<br />

although at the time they were just doing what<br />

they do. I like to think that I<br />

have similarity with them in that<br />

way. In particular to Harriet<br />

Tubman, the play, “The Spirit of<br />

Harriet Tubman” is about over<br />

coming your fear and believing in<br />

yourself, which is something her<br />

story reminds me of constantly. If<br />

Harriet Tubman could accomplish<br />

all that she did for herself and<br />

others, then I can certainly<br />

travel and tell her story, and<br />

what I have learned from<br />

On The Money<br />

Leslie’s After Party<br />

Sho Studios<br />

Nov. 3<br />

it, by my self, something<br />

that many people say that<br />

I am very brave to do.<br />

They died many<br />

years ago. Do you feel<br />

their spirits are with you?<br />

Well, does the title “The<br />

Spirit of Harriet Tubman” give<br />

you a clue - lol! Yes. I actually<br />

invite the spirits of the women I<br />

portray to “ride my shoulders”<br />

to help me “live” their stories well before each<br />

performance. I stand upon the shoulders of all<br />

of them, as revered ancestors, and always want<br />

to make sure I pay proper tribute to the humanity<br />

in them. Ironically, I believe that it is within our<br />

spirit that our humanity is found.<br />

Has any of Harriet’s or Viola’s family seen<br />

you perform?<br />

I don’t know if any of Harriet Tubman’s family<br />

has seen me perform although early in my career<br />

I almost got a chance to perform for the Harriet’s<br />

great-grand daughter. Harriet had an adopted<br />

daughter. I met with Viola Desmond’s sister,<br />

Wanda Robson, when I was researching for my<br />

play “Things My Fore-Sisters Saw” that Viola<br />

Desmond is in. The film captures us becoming<br />

reacquainted after 20 years and her seeing me<br />

perform her sister for the first time. She told me<br />

that she was going to say it like the youngsters in<br />

calling my performance “awesome!”.<br />

There must be a bit of satisfaction knowing<br />

Viola made it to the $10 bill?<br />

I don’t know if I would call it satisfaction. I<br />

would call it pride in that there is a Canadian<br />

woman on a Canadian bill note, finally, and what<br />

they called in the 60’s, “race pride”, in that it<br />

happens to be a Black woman. I am proud that<br />

I can share her story so that people know how<br />

brave she was in “taking a seat” against racism<br />

especially while she was alone. She, like me,<br />

traveled alone to further her business so I know<br />

how scary that in of itself can be sometimes and<br />

then to decide to do something that was sure to<br />

incite distain. Hmmm... Now that I think about it<br />

maybe there is a bit of satisfaction that she was<br />

rewarded for her courage in this way.<br />

Hopefully we’ll get to see Harriet on the US<br />

$20 at some point.<br />

I certainly hope so but with the resurgence of<br />

the racial tensions in the US being stirred up by<br />

the current administration I’m not confident it<br />

will happen any time soon.<br />

Both those bills are not only important for<br />

black history, but also for women in general.<br />

You sure know how to pick the right ladies to<br />

re-enact.<br />

Being that Black history IS our history it is<br />

important for women, Black people, indigenous<br />

people and all of the different peoples of all kinds<br />

that contributed to our history, the development<br />

of our great country, to finally be recognized<br />

properly. That is part of my teaching in the Q&A<br />

following performances.<br />

Times have changed from the days of<br />

Harriet and Viola, but there’s still a long way<br />

to go in some areas. Where can we improve?<br />

We can improve first with our education,<br />

making it more inclusive, learning our history<br />

correctly so that we can determine where we<br />

need to go in the future. So long as we pretend<br />

certain things aren’t a problem them will remain<br />

a problem. That would be a start. I still run<br />

into a lot of people who believe there was no<br />

slavery in Canada. There was. Right here in the<br />

<strong>519</strong>-exchange zone there was. Governmental and<br />

economic policies over the years have reinforced<br />

economic disparities that arose from that.<br />

Most people don’t know some of those things.<br />

In part, their prejudice comes from this lack of<br />

knowledge.

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