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Conversely, you know, our Indonesian colleagues are a team that we work with in our working groups often say
that they don’t always enjoy the work, but they’re glad we got them to do it. And it—for them, it really has been a
different type of engagement, too, you know, donor implemented programs are very common on Indonesia. This
type of program is not common and it’s been a lot of work for them, a lot of work for people who don’t normally
do this type of work. I think they often tell us that they really feel that the country ownership model is something
that they’ve come to truly, truly appreciate. And they’ll contrast it with other experiences they’ve had.
This is a larger country than MCC usually works with. And I—it really does come back to what the Ambassador
was saying and what Patrick was saying, about how it really has been a part of a partnership; and the more that
we’ve seen it as part of a partnership, and understood that country ownership is critical, we can’t just sort of
dream up ideas in Washington and then go and say, ‘Hey Government of Indonesia, what do you think about this
idea?’ You know, that’s not going to work and it’s been a great pillar of the comprehensive partnership over the
last year and a half or so. But I think it’s really been because we’ve both committed as partners.
DJALAL: Can I add to that a little bit? I think that the—I agree completely with what Martha is saying.
The biggest challenge is there are two things: what MCC is offering—what MCC wants—and what Indonesia
wants.
And the challenge has been how to minimize the gap between these two things. And this is why the presence
of Troy and Martha on the ground figuring out exactly what Indonesia wants and then matching that with what
America’s offering. That’s the biggest challenge.
And the other one is making sure that the work that we’ve done together and—and the projects do climb up in
terms of bureaucratic priorities in Indonesia. I think in the end, we have reached a stage whereby this reached
presidential attention, this reached ministerial attention, (inaudible) was fully seized on this (inaudible) and she
appointed the—the Vice Minister, Mr. Lukita (ph) to work on this.
So it climbed up drastically on the bureaucratic agenda and that’s what made this program successful, but it
didn’t happen overnight and as with other parts of our partnership, it took a lot of back and forth, a lot of tussle,
but all in good spirit and at the end what count is we all became better partners.
LABOVITCH: Well, yeah, let me add to that, too, that the part of what’s been great for us is the capacity and
the ambition of the Indonesians has really helped push us in a direction—and in an innovative direction, most
importantly, that I think has been really special on this side.
For instance, with the Green Prosperity, there is a deep appreciation in Indonesia for the inter-relationships
between poverty and the environment. And I think for MCC, not that we haven’t done environmental programs
before, we have. But we’ve never done anything, you know, quite this big and substantial with respect to its very
core objective to address both of those issues, poverty and environment and that comes from the knowledge, the
appreciation and the desire on behalf of the Indonesians to address these issues. And so it’s been really good for
us as well.
COOPER: Well, I just wanted to follow up about Green Prosperity.
If you’re able to have the impact that we’re seeking, and the facilities are working the way that you want them to,
what’s it going to mean? What are the stakes? What will it mean for low carbon development?
LABOVITCH: Great question.
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