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Rumminger assigned translators to “cells” but the interrogators within<br />

a “cell” and the “cells” themselves were free to “trade” L-3 translators<br />

amongst themselves without notifying Rumminger. Rumminger Dep. 89-<br />

100. Rumminger described his role with regard to L-3 translators as “kind<br />

<strong>of</strong> an ad hoc position.” Id. at 127. Rumminger did not supervise L-3’s<br />

translators and did not ensure that they abided by the laws <strong>of</strong> war. Id. at 69-<br />

70. Rumminger did not speak to L-3 employees about their day-to-day work<br />

in the interrogation booth, or provide them with guidance or supervision<br />

about their duties. Id. at 148-49. He did not know whether L-3 translators<br />

ever sought advice or guidance on their duties from other members <strong>of</strong> the<br />

military. Id. at 149.<br />

Karpinski and Lagouranis both declared under oath that the military<br />

could not give corporate employees legally binding orders. See Karpinski<br />

Decl. 4, 7-9, 16-17; Lagouranis Decl. 11-12. They also declared under<br />

oath that interrogators, and other soldiers in daily contact with translators,<br />

did not have the power to discipline or terminate L-3 translators. Lagouranis<br />

Decl. 12, 14-15; Karpinski Decl. 11; see also RS.112, Appendix C-1 §C-<br />

1.4.2.4. Karpinski described an unsuccessful ef<strong>for</strong>t to have an L-3 employee<br />

(known as “Iraqi Mike”) fired by L-3 because he was a <strong>for</strong>mer member <strong>of</strong><br />

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